From matulovich at hotmail.com Fri Aug 1 02:09:59 2008 From: matulovich at hotmail.com (Matulovich) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:09:59 -0700 Subject: domain Message-ID: Fedora owns the domain www.bagpipe.com. Do you have any interest in selling it? I am not a large corporation and do not have deep pocket, but am interested. Thanks- Matthew Matulovich matulovich at hotmail.com 360-739-7216 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 1 07:35:05 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:05:05 +0530 Subject: domain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4892BCA9.5080500@fedoraproject.org> Matulovich wrote: > > > > Fedora owns the domain www.bagpipe.com . > Do you have any interest in selling it? I am not a large corporation > and do not have deep pocket, but am interested. Thanks- We don't own the website. That website is merely running Fedora. For more details, refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Aug 2 20:56:55 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:56:55 +0100 Subject: Away for a few weeks Message-ID: <1217710615.3001.1.camel@adam> Hi all, I'm not going to be based at home for the next few weeks so won't be able to attend meetings or take minutes. (sadly, this is a working holiday!) All the best, Jon From itprocanada at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 19:50:16 2008 From: itprocanada at gmail.com (Adam Humphreys) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:50:16 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction Message-ID: <76fbb8e10808031250q3e97920ew5e1c80a41d68fd6@mail.gmail.com> Hello, My name is Adam aka CB6 in the freenode channels. I've been promoting FOSS, and the Freedom of Information since 2001. My experience is strong on the Microsoft side being a former TS Eng. I started using Fedora Linux recognizing its positive direction, and it's ability to genuinely help users improve their user experience. I have been doing web development more as a hobby for years, and helping people with their computers since the day I first laid hands on one. I recognize the significance of W3 compliance, key words in titles, unique, content rich articles, and wording that everyone can understand from beginner to advanced. I know that it's very important to adopt clean, and navigable sites into the community. I would consider myself an intermediate web designer/developer, and beginner with Linux. I'm very good at replicating or coming up with my own scripts for things so I think you'll find my creativity useful at times even if I can't fully do everything myself. I think you'll find my perspective as a beginner valuable as to look at things others might not otherwise notice. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me at any time. Thanks, Adam J. 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That would be really helpful I am not commanding you to do this, I am suggesting what would make this site better Thanks This email was sent by: Nick Perla From shlomif at iglu.org.il Sat Aug 2 08:24:35 2008 From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:24:35 +0300 Subject: Regarding http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/VersionControl Message-ID: <200808021124.35701.shlomif@iglu.org.il> Hi! Thanks for maintaining the Fedora wiki. Regarding http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/VersionControl , I'd like to note that the version control comparison at: http://better-scm.berlios.de/comparison/comparison.html Now covers git and bzr as well, as opposed to what is said on the page: {{{{{ Version Control System Comparison - covers just about everything except git and bzr. }}}}} I could not find a way to edit the wiki. (Tried login and tried the talk page - none of them worked.) Regards, Shlomi Fish ----------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Rethinking CPAN - http://xrl.us/bjn7p I met a guy in the bar, talked to her and she gave me her phone number. From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Aug 4 18:30:03 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:30:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Websites Meetings Message-ID: Hi team, We're scheduled for a meeting tonight at 22:00 UTC and next monday at 20:00 UTC. I'm taking my summer vacation starting tonight, and I won't be back until next Wednesday, so I'll be missing both of these meetings. Which brings me to a larger topic: A couple of months ago when Mike McGrath asked someone to start holding Websites meetings regularly, I volunteered because I wanted to step in and fill a need. But as you all know, I am not deeply active in the day to day coding or design that goes on in Fedora Websites. It was always the objective that once some momentum had been built up, and there were a number of tasks being worked through, that "leadership" of the Websites project could transfer to someone in the community who wanted to step into that role. Are we ready for that yet? Is anyone feeling inspired? Here's the critical path, IMHO: (1) get-fedora into F10 shape, and incorporating a link to (2), below. (2) spins.fp.o into small, achievable milestones. The first milestone, IMHO, needs to be a "spin information page" which contains basic information about the spin, a .ks and a link to torrents, ISOs (wherever they are hosted), or other download mechanisms. The second milestone is a basic index of all spins. The third milestone is workflow to automate the addition and deletion of spins from the index. (3) Finding, developing, and recruiting people who are interested in web application development. Making it as SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE for someone to have a turbogears application, with Fedora look and feel, up and running on a test instance somewhere in our infrastructure. (4) Respond to whatever comes up on a weekly basis that needs attention. That's my little roadmap. What do y'all think? --Max From pribyl at lowlevel.cz Mon Aug 4 20:33:38 2008 From: pribyl at lowlevel.cz (Adam Pribyl) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:33:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: headings styles in new wiki Message-ID: Just a briefly - with existing heading styles in new wiki this is almost impossible to distinquis the chapter level. Is this an intention or just something that needs "fix" in CSS? Adam Pribyl Check e.g.: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/yum/YumUpgradeFaq compare at least to http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold/YumUpgradeFaq From stickster at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 22:19:28 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:19:28 -0400 Subject: headings styles in new wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1217888368.24068.30.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 22:33 +0200, Adam Pribyl wrote: > Just a briefly - with existing heading styles in new wiki this is almost > impossible to distinquis the chapter level. Is this an intention or just > something that needs "fix" in CSS? Hm, they look pretty distinguishable to me! That's the problem -- it's always in the eye of the beholder. In a best case scenario, though, the reader really doesn't care about relative heading sizes as much as she does having the sought-after information at hand. For everyone else there's Greasemonkey or other client-side CSS hacks, right? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ylynfatt at flowja.com Tue Aug 5 03:24:01 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (ylynfatt) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:24:01 -0500 Subject: fp.o/contact Message-ID: <4897c7d1.11a.1f0d.1115299616@flowja.com> Hello everyone, I was taking a look at the Fedora Websites Page Request wiki page (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PageRequests) and noticed that the fp.o/contact page was listed. I was wondering if anyone had started/was currently working on that page and if it was still required? If it's still required and no one is currently working on it, I'd like to take this on as a start since I'm still fairly new. >From the requirements and details I know we need contact info for end user support, legal issues, website issues and the apache test page. What other contacts are needed or what other questions do we get via the mailing list that are misdirected or off topic? Regards, Yannick Lyn Fatt From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 5 03:34:22 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:34:22 -0400 Subject: fp.o/contact In-Reply-To: <4897c7d1.11a.1f0d.1115299616@flowja.com> References: <4897c7d1.11a.1f0d.1115299616@flowja.com> Message-ID: <20080805033422.GA18192@Max> On 2008-08-04 10:24:01 PM, ylynfatt wrote: > I was taking a look at the Fedora Websites Page Request wiki > page (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PageRequests) > and noticed that the fp.o/contact page was listed. I was > wondering if anyone had started/was currently working on > that page and if it was still required? If it's still > required and no one is currently working on it, I'd like to > take this on as a start since I'm still fairly new. Great! I don't think anybody's working on it at the moment, and we could definitely still use the page. > >From the requirements and details I know we need contact > info for end user support, legal issues, website issues and > the apache test page. What other contacts are needed or what > other questions do we get via the mailing list that are > misdirected or off topic? That sounds like a pretty complete list. Maybe we could add a contact for mirror problems (is mirror-admin at fp.o the right address for those?) Thanks for taking this on, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks & Regards Sharad Mathur Enterprise Services, Wipro Infotech -----Original Message----- From: Ricky Zhou [mailto:ricky at fedoraproject.org] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:35 AM To: Sharad Mathur (WI01 - Services) Cc: webmaster at fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Fedora Core 9 Download Problem On 2008-07-24 08:39:19 PM, sharad.mathur at wipro.com wrote: > I am getting following error while downloading fc 9. > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access > /fedora/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso/ > Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso on this server. Thanks a lot for the report - we will notify that mirror about the problem. For now, feel free to try another mirror - you can get a list of some different ones to try at: http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?path=pub/fedora/linux/releas es/9/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso Thanks, Ricky Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. 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Yours sincerely Marius Solberg From Richard.Johnson at stratus.com Tue Aug 5 15:06:19 2008 From: Richard.Johnson at stratus.com (Johnson, Richard) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:06:19 -0400 Subject: fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/SELinux/PolicyModules Message-ID: The examples don't work: Attempts to install the resulting *-selinux rpm yield problem like: CMD# rpm -Uvh? /auto/svn/rjohnson/5611/ftl_linux/build/CD_ROOT/RPMS/lsb-ft-asn-selinux-6.0.2-183.x86_64.rpm error: Failed dependencies: ? file:///usr/share/doc/selinux-policy-2.4.6/html/index.html is needed by lsb-ft-asn-selinux-6.0.2-183.x86_64 CMD# rpm -q --whatprovides file:///usr/share/doc/selinux-policy-2.4.6/html/index.html no package provides file:///usr/share/doc/selinux-policy-2.4.6/html/index.html CMD# rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/share/doc/selinux-policy-2.4.6/html/index.html selinux-policy-2.4.6-137.1.el5_2 --------------- The problem appears to be the line: %define selinux_policyver %(sed -e 's,.*selinux-policy-\\([^/] *\\)/.*,\\1,' /usr/share/selinux/devel/policyhelp) I'd suggest querying the rpm db instead: %define selinux_policyver %(if rpm -q selinux-policy > /dev/null; then rpm -q --queryformat '%{VERSION}' selinux-policy; fi) --rich From jesolato at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 8 02:02:37 2008 From: jesolato at fedoraproject.org (Joseph Esolato) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:02:37 -0400 Subject: Regarding Fedora Websites Team Application Message-ID: To Whom It May Concern: My name is Joseph Esolato, and I am a student at the University of Florida pursuing a Ph.D. in Exercise Physiology. 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Targets: ftp.heanet.ie::fedora-enchilada, ftp.heanet.ie::fedora-epel Contact for ACL: mirrors at heanet.ie rg -- Rob Gallagher | Public Key: 0x1DD13A78 HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1. Registered in Ireland, no 275301 T: (+353-1) 6609040 F: (+353-1) 6603666 WWW: http://www.heanet.ie/ From mohsen.saeedi at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 18:32:38 2008 From: mohsen.saeedi at gmail.com (mohsen saeedi) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:02:38 +0430 Subject: fedoraproject in iran Message-ID: <93a375fc0808071132n108dee4dpb4249f59b439fbb8@mail.gmail.com> Dear fedora webmaster I'm using redhat family for 7 years. i'm linux instructor in iran for 5 years. I and my friends decide to start fedora community for iran. for this purpose buy fedoraproject.ir domain and up phpbb on it for create community. we farsiweb project legal hoder. sharif linux was farsiweb linux distro that release about 2 year ago. http://farsiweb.info. I need know about your wiki site ( http://fedoraproject.ir ) . we want to use mediawiki for main site and use phpbb v3 for forum. how do you can help me?? do you give me your wiki theme and css files and pictures?? please advise me. we want to help fedora users in iran. we are helping those in forum about their problems. we want to reduce ubuntu users in iran and increase fedora users. and we think fedoraproject can help us about our purpose. best regards, -- Mohsen Saeedi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sharad.mathur at wipro.com Fri Aug 8 04:16:44 2008 From: sharad.mathur at wipro.com (sharad.mathur at wipro.com) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:46:44 +0530 Subject: Fedora Core 9 Download Problem References: <1FBC0C134A2A0C469D7869A0BEC67035F5749F@DEL-GGN-MBX01.wipro.com> <20080724200520.GA6200@Max> Message-ID: <1FBC0C134A2A0C469D7869A0BEC6703501574950@DEL-GGN-MBX01.wipro.com> I didn't get any reply from your side. Thanks & Regards Sharad Mathur Enterprise Services, Wipro Infotech -----Original Message----- From: Sharad Mathur (WI01 - Services) Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:51 PM To: 'Ricky Zhou' Cc: webmaster at fedoraproject.org Subject: RE: Fedora Core 9 Download Problem Hi, I have download FC 9 three four times but I am not getting proper downloaded iso I have already wastes my media and days also. Can you deliver that on my postal address. Thanks & Regards Sharad Mathur Enterprise Services, Wipro Infotech -----Original Message----- From: Ricky Zhou [mailto:ricky at fedoraproject.org] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:35 AM To: Sharad Mathur (WI01 - Services) Cc: webmaster at fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Fedora Core 9 Download Problem On 2008-07-24 08:39:19 PM, sharad.mathur at wipro.com wrote: > I am getting following error while downloading fc 9. > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access > /fedora/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso/ > Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso on this server. Thanks a lot for the report - we will notify that mirror about the problem. For now, feel free to try another mirror - you can get a list of some different ones to try at: http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?path=pub/fedora/linux/releas es/9/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso Thanks, Ricky Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. www.wipro.com From tim at nospam.cameratim.com Fri Aug 8 10:17:26 2008 From: tim at nospam.cameratim.com (Tim Seifert) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:47:26 +0930 Subject: link problem on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines page Message-ID: <1218190646.2746.24.camel@gonzales.lan.cameratim.com> Hi, On this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines There's an anchor: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message.. Where the trailing two dots are a very bad idea. Anytime someone posts a reference to this page in a plain text email, and someone else tries to follow it by clicking on a URI parsed from a plain text email, the chances are highly likely that the client will stop parsing at the dots, and they'll get a link that doesn't work. i.e. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message Evolution certainly treats it that way. Not even enclosing the link in the traditional helps include the dots as part of the URI to be parsed. The link would be better rewritten without the dots. Though that will break any HREF links in webpages that have linked to that anchor. An additional ID attribute could be added, so it works both ways. I notice the page has a pair of anchors to that part of the page, id="replying" and a name="If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message..", which is all well and good, but the top of the page uses the longer problem on in the navigational menu, and this is where people will copy a URI from to paste to someone else. That link should probably be changed, too. Regards, Tim. From joe_shabangu at yahoo.com.au Fri Aug 8 17:19:33 2008 From: joe_shabangu at yahoo.com.au (Joseph Shabangu) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: can't access times of swaziland home page Message-ID: <394878.74661.qm@web55506.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I can't access the times of swazialnd web page. Every time I try to log in your page appears. I wonder if you can help. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Aug 9 14:28:51 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:58:51 +0530 Subject: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo In-Reply-To: <20080807104044.GB10211@omnifarious.org> References: <20080807104044.GB10211@omnifarious.org> Message-ID: <489DA9A3.8090709@fedoraproject.org> Eric Hopper wrote: > This page could be impproved. The technique described works for the > install DVDs as well as the live CD if the USB drive is big enough. > Do you want to help us improve the content? Feel free to sign up for a Fedora account and login. It hardly takes more than a few minutes. http://join.fedoraproject.org You can then use the Fedora account to login to the wiki and start editing the content to enhance it. Thanks. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Aug 9 14:32:58 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:02:58 +0530 Subject: Fedora Core 9 Download Problem In-Reply-To: <1FBC0C134A2A0C469D7869A0BEC6703501574950@DEL-GGN-MBX01.wipro.com> References: <1FBC0C134A2A0C469D7869A0BEC67035F5749F@DEL-GGN-MBX01.wipro.com> <20080724200520.GA6200@Max> <1FBC0C134A2A0C469D7869A0BEC6703501574950@DEL-GGN-MBX01.wipro.com> Message-ID: <489DAA9A.5020309@fedoraproject.org> sharad.mathur at wipro.com wrote: > > I didn't get any reply from your side. > That's probably because this is the wrong id to discuss downloads or free media. Webmaster email is only for feedback on the website itself. Wipro IIRC even has a local mirror of many distributions. If not, feel free to contact the local LUG. Freemedia is available but is volunteer based. Take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Aug 9 14:35:50 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:05:50 +0530 Subject: link problem on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines page In-Reply-To: <1218190646.2746.24.camel@gonzales.lan.cameratim.com> References: <1218190646.2746.24.camel@gonzales.lan.cameratim.com> Message-ID: <489DAB46.3060808@fedoraproject.org> Tim Seifert wrote: > Hi, > > On this page: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > > There's an anchor: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message.. > > Where the trailing two dots are a very bad idea. This was fixed a while back. Thank you for your feedback. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Aug 9 14:39:32 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:09:32 +0530 Subject: Comment and Contact info for ftp.heanet.ie In-Reply-To: <20080807170646.62f866a6@tachikoma.heanet.ie> References: <20080807170646.62f866a6@tachikoma.heanet.ie> Message-ID: <489DAC24.603@fedoraproject.org> HEAnet Mirror Team wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm just doing some housekeeping on our Fedora mirror and I noticed > that there is no contact or comment information regarding ftp.heanet.ie > at: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring/Tiering#Tier_1_Mirrors > > Could this please be modified to read: > > Comment: IPv6 and Internet2 connectivity. Targets: > ftp.heanet.ie::fedora-enchilada, ftp.heanet.ie::fedora-epel > > Contact for ACL: mirrors at heanet.ie Added. Thanks. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Aug 9 14:40:50 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:10:50 +0530 Subject: can't access times of swaziland home page In-Reply-To: <394878.74661.qm@web55506.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <394878.74661.qm@web55506.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <489DAC72.8040201@fedoraproject.org> Joseph Shabangu wrote: > I can't access the times of swazialnd web page. Every time I try to > log in your page appears. I wonder if you can help. > I am not sure which website or page you are talking about. Can you clarify? You might have been seeing a different website unassociated with the Fedora Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage Rahul From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 16:24:06 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:24:06 +0200 Subject: Developing the Amber layout form the mockups; Improving the fedoraproject frame; How to proceed? Message-ID: <6e24a8e80808120924s2bcfc34bw64363d5d4e620e04@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, Recently i've spoken with Robin Norwood about the Amber mockups and volunteered to make the mockups work in html+css and perhaps even some javascript. I did make a head start with the development but soon discovered that i actually needed to tell it here first so that i can get some feedback on how to proceed in this. My intention is (as said) to make the mockups in html and let amber use it. The other part is the frame of the mockups which is supposed to be the default for all of the fedora sites. All those sites already look like the mockup but can use some more attention to let the left menu look like it and perhaps the bottom (didn't really compare the 2). It seems obvious for me that i need to take the current css from fedoraproject, adjust it to the mockup style and post it here so it can be used and integrated in fedoraproject sites. But how do you think about it? your opinion on how to proceed with this would be welcome. About the mockups I saw them and they look very good! but i have an idea to make them look better. For that idea look here: http://ui.jquery.com/ at the 3 big buttons on the bottom. Wouldn't that effect be nice in fedoraproject for the buttons and the application frames in the mockup? For that to work i need a mockup in the hover state of those. So what do you think about that idea? I think it would make the fedoraprject sites and amber look more polished with that in it. About the name : "Amber" I talked to Norwood about this as well and told him that i actually liked (the codename) Amber way more then the intended name: "Application install".. Norwood told me that he is fine with both names and i personally would like to see Amber as the final name. So i would like to ask the rest what they think is better: - Amber - Application Install Cast your votes. (from me it's +1 for Amber) I hope i didn't forget anything. Greetings, Mark From mlanglie at redhat.com Tue Aug 12 17:58:32 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:58:32 -0400 Subject: Developing the Amber layout form the mockups In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80808120924s2bcfc34bw64363d5d4e620e04@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80808120924s2bcfc34bw64363d5d4e620e04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A1CF48.8000309@redhat.com> Hi Mark, That's a cool effect. Here is an animated mockup of what could be done with Amber application blocks. http://yipyop.com/fedora/amber_block_transition.gif The normal state has a fade from #f3f4f4 to white, going halfway down the block. The hover state has a fade from #d7e7f7 to white, also halfway down the block. The transition fades between the two. Maybe make the backgrounds transparent PNGs that could fade in over each other? (Note there's a 1px border inside the 1px outer grey border.) Mike Mark wrote: > Hello all, > > Recently i've spoken with Robin Norwood about the Amber mockups and > volunteered to make the mockups work in html+css and perhaps even some > javascript. > I did make a head start with the development but soon discovered that > i actually needed to tell it here first so that i can get some > feedback on how to proceed in this. > My intention is (as said) to make the mockups in html and let amber > use it. The other part is the frame of the mockups which is supposed > to be the default for all of the fedora sites. All those sites already > look like the mockup but can use some more attention to let the left > menu look like it and perhaps the bottom (didn't really compare the > 2). > > It seems obvious for me that i need to take the current css from > fedoraproject, adjust it to the mockup style and post it here so it > can be used and integrated in fedoraproject sites. > But how do you think about it? your opinion on how to proceed with > this would be welcome. > > About the mockups > I saw them and they look very good! but i have an idea to make them > look better. For that idea look here: http://ui.jquery.com/ at the 3 > big buttons on the bottom. Wouldn't that effect be nice in > fedoraproject for the buttons and the application frames in the > mockup? For that to work i need a mockup in the hover state of those. > So what do you think about that idea? > I think it would make the fedoraprject sites and amber look more > polished with that in it. > > About the name : "Amber" > I talked to Norwood about this as well and told him that i actually > liked (the codename) Amber way more then the intended name: > "Application install".. Norwood told me that he is fine with both > names and i personally would like to see Amber as the final name. > > So i would like to ask the rest what they think is better: > - Amber > - Application Install > > Cast your votes. > (from me it's +1 for Amber) > > I hope i didn't forget anything. > > Greetings, > Mark > > From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 18:58:34 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:58:34 -0500 Subject: Example wiki page In-Reply-To: <219376.12794.qm@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <219376.12794.qm@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080812185322.GA1143@gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:24:16AM -0700, Sam Chen wrote: > > >>>But this page looks good to me!? You might also want a link to > >>>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing as well. > > How come this wiki page starts at the second page of my IE browser?? The first page is totally blank with only the side menus to the left. > Shen-En Chen > Does this occur for other wiki pages in IE? (ccing f-websites-l) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From musganho at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 15:48:10 2008 From: musganho at gmail.com (Rui Garanhoto) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:48:10 +0100 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <000a01c8fc92$d4632030$7d296090$@com> Hi there! In Fedora's website there is the pt_BR language. Well, Portuguese and Brazilian in fact look alike but there are many words that you write and pronounce different. Some person that don't understand a webmaster's work could think that those are grammar mistakes. 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URL: From dev at nigelj.com Wed Aug 13 08:45:30 2008 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:45:30 +1200 Subject: Wiki Outage Notification - 2008-08-14 03:00 UTC & 2008-08-15 03:00 UTC Message-ID: <1218617130.2767.23.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz> There will be an outage starting at 2008-08-14 03:00 UTC, which will last approximately 1 hour. A second outage is scheduled to start at 2008-08-15 03:00 UTC lasting approximately 30 minutes. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2008-08-14 03:00 UTC' date -d '2008-08-15 03:00 UTC' Affected Services: Fedora Project Wiki Unaffected Services: All Other Websites CVS / Source Control Buildsystem Database DNS Mail Torrent Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/754 Reason for Outage: We will be performing database changes to the wiki database to enable searching by default for specific categories and to switch to the internal authentication methods. We hope to be able to leave the wiki Read Only during both outages. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. Thanks, Nigel Jones From diegobz at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 12:11:03 2008 From: diegobz at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Diego_B=FArigo_Zacar=E3o?=) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:11:03 -0300 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000a01c8fc92$d4632030$7d296090$@com> References: <000a01c8fc92$d4632030$7d296090$@com> Message-ID: <6600c1b10808130511x3a844325q6430cf49e1ab966a@mail.gmail.com> Hello, 2008/8/12 Rui Garanhoto > Hi there! > > In Fedora's website there is the pt_BR language. > > Well, Portuguese and Brazilian in fact look alike but there are many words > that you write and pronounce different. > > Some person that don't understand a webmaster's work could think that those > are grammar mistakes. > > Would you like to add a pt_PT language to the site? > I would like to say that there is a Portuguese (pt) team[1] in our project and you are welcome to join us. You can find some info here[2]. After join the project you will be able to translate any module available in our stats system, including the Fedora's website, that can be found here[3] for your language. [1] http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/pt [2] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/ [3] http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/pt/various Regards -- Diego B?rigo Zacar?o Linux User #402589 USE SOFTWARE LIVRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kilpatms at speakeasy.net Wed Aug 13 15:54:40 2008 From: kilpatms at speakeasy.net (Sean) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:54:40 -0400 Subject: need help Message-ID: <200808131154.40905.kilpatms@speakeasy.net> I use KDE on a FC7 box. Every time I try to use Konqueror (the file manager/web browser) it opens NOT with a blank window, but with . What I WANT and NEED is a blank window and a blank location bar. There seems to be no way in the GUI configuration to fix this. I looked at the konquerorrc file but the answer doesn't seem to be hidden there. Advice would be greatly appreciated. Sean Kilpatrick kilpatms at speakeasy.net From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 13 19:38:36 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:08:36 +0530 Subject: pki.fp.o Message-ID: <48A3383C.9070409@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Looks like this web page hasn't been updated ever since the launch and doesn't match the look and feel of the rest of the Fedora website. Someone might want to apply the standard css to it or redirect the whole thing to something like fp.o/wiki/pki. Rahul From rnorwood at redhat.com Wed Aug 13 21:27:18 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:27:18 -0400 Subject: Developing the Amber layout form the mockups; Improving the fedoraproject frame; How to proceed? In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80808120924s2bcfc34bw64363d5d4e620e04@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80808120924s2bcfc34bw64363d5d4e620e04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080813172718.30531545@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:24:06 +0200 Mark wrote: > Hello all, Hi Mark! > Recently i've spoken with Robin Norwood about the Amber mockups and > volunteered to make the mockups work in html+css and perhaps even some > javascript. > I did make a head start with the development but soon discovered that > i actually needed to tell it here first so that i can get some > feedback on how to proceed in this. > My intention is (as said) to make the mockups in html and let amber > use it. The other part is the frame of the mockups which is supposed > to be the default for all of the fedora sites. All those sites already > look like the mockup but can use some more attention to let the left > menu look like it and perhaps the bottom (didn't really compare the > 2). > > It seems obvious for me that i need to take the current css from > fedoraproject, adjust it to the mockup style and post it here so it > can be used and integrated in fedoraproject sites. > But how do you think about it? your opinion on how to proceed with > this would be welcome. This is one big concern I have - specifically, what's the timeframe for developing and deploying the new fedora style, and how will that mesh with the planned schedule of Amber? The goal for amber is to release by F10's release date (Currently October 28). Also, a technical detail is that amber-specific CSS should probably live in a different file than the main fedora CSS. But that should be fairly easy to accomplish when the design is more complete. > About the name : "Amber" > I talked to Norwood about this as well and told him that i actually > liked (the codename) Amber way more then the intended name: > "Application install".. Norwood told me that he is fine with both > names and i personally would like to see Amber as the final name. > > So i would like to ask the rest what they think is better: > - Amber > - Application Install Er, actually, 'Fedora Applications' is the intended name. > > Cast your votes. > (from me it's +1 for Amber) I'll abstain. I can see positives and negatives for both options. My current feeling is to call the instance of the application for Fedora 'Fedora Applications', because it matches the naming/branding scheme of several other pieces, and it's an easy, descriptive name. 'Amber' would remain the name of the project and software running the web application. -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From kamisamanou at kamisamanou.net Wed Aug 13 21:44:47 2008 From: kamisamanou at kamisamanou.net (Kamisamanou Burgess) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:44:47 -0500 Subject: need help In-Reply-To: <200808131154.40905.kilpatms@speakeasy.net> References: <200808131154.40905.kilpatms@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <5dbb83710808131444k58bc9473o6b4b272591f7b4a3@mail.gmail.com> set the home page to "about:blank" without quotes Sayonara, Kamisamanou Burgess http://www.kamisamanou.net On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:54, Sean wrote: > I use KDE on a FC7 box. > Every time I try to use Konqueror (the file manager/web browser) it opens > NOT with a blank window, but with . > What I WANT and NEED is a blank window and a blank location bar. > There seems to be no way in the GUI configuration to fix this. > > I looked at the konquerorrc file but the answer doesn't seem to be hidden > there. > > Advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Sean Kilpatrick > kilpatms at speakeasy.net > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That also gets us to where we can use Nigel's localization setup. Reportedly we'll get a speed improvement on the wiki without the HNP code. So sayeth Nigel. See #fedora-admin for details. CMS must haves -------------- * Good security record * Proactive security mindedness of developer community * Flexible enough auth system to attach to FAS * RSS * ... CMS should haves ---------------- * OpenID * WYSIWYG editor * ... Have at it! - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The > code we use for MW ACLs is not supported in the latest release, and our > version is going out of security update support. By moving all content > out of the wiki that needs ACLs, we don't have to have that code and > upgrading is made possible. That also gets us to where we can use > Nigel's localization setup. > > Reportedly we'll get a speed improvement on the wiki without the HNP > code. So sayeth Nigel. See #fedora-admin for details. Okay, heres the run down, in a completely unscientific test (although nearly scientific), I found that Mediawiki+HNP makes the wiki THREE times slower. Now the problems also are (with the current setup): 1. HNP does not support Mediawiki > 1.11.2 2. Per 1. we are locked into Mediawiki 1.11.2 3. Per 2, we won't have any security updates once Mediawiki 1.13.x comes out (anytime now) 4. We are limited in options for l10n content 5. With the current state of the Mediawiki codebase, it could be more desirable (imo) for us to work off SVN versions like Wikipedia etc do (they update the wiki every couple of days from SVN once it's been proven as working on the test wiki). 6. HNP is just slow, and the code is disgusting. > > CMS must haves > -------------- > * Good security record > * Proactive security mindedness of developer community > * Flexible enough auth system to attach to FAS > * RSS > * ... > > CMS should haves > ---------------- > * OpenID > * WYSIWYG editor > * ... > > Have at it! http://www.opencms.org That said... http://www.silverstripe.com looks rather nifty. Plus they are having a meetup in Auckland not too far from me, so if we are interested I'll pop along and say hi on behalf of Fedora :) - Nigel From kwade at redhat.com Thu Aug 14 04:12:02 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:12:02 -0700 Subject: pki.fp.o In-Reply-To: <48A3383C.9070409@fedoraproject.org> References: <48A3383C.9070409@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1218687122.18668.189.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 01:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Looks like this web page hasn't been updated ever since the launch and > doesn't match the look and feel of the rest of the Fedora website. > Someone might want to apply the standard css to it or redirect the whole > thing to something like fp.o/wiki/pki. That looks more to me like an upstream project that is using Fedora resources. It's akin to a Trac instance on fedorahosted.org, where one should be able to use a custom CSS. Another comparison are the sites on et.redhat.com and sourceware.org. Just how it looks to me, anyway. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's akin to a Trac instance on fedorahosted.org, where one > should be able to use a custom CSS. Another comparison are the sites on > et.redhat.com and sourceware.org. > > Just how it looks to me, anyway. In fact, thats exactly how it's setup, it goes to the Red Hat server, not a Fedora server, we have zero control over it. - Nigel From pla at 246.ne.jp Thu Aug 14 02:28:00 2008 From: pla at 246.ne.jp (Shigeru Maeda) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:28:00 +0900 Subject: About Fedora9 ppc iso image file Message-ID: <00c701c8fdb5$5f4f4e80$0c01a8c0@865peneo2> Hello, I would like to thank your project team for developing nice Fedora distribution. Now I want to download Fedora9 ppc install image (iso file), but I can't access the Direct Download link. And more, when I tried to download by mirror site directly, I can't download iso file by any sites. I think the link on your fedora site is incorrect, and the iso file images on mirror site is incomplete. Please check these facts and fix ? Sincerely, Shigeru Maeda From kwade at redhat.com Thu Aug 14 14:09:21 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:09:21 -0700 Subject: need help In-Reply-To: <5dbb83710808131444k58bc9473o6b4b272591f7b4a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808131154.40905.kilpatms@speakeasy.net> <5dbb83710808131444k58bc9473o6b4b272591f7b4a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1218722961.18668.201.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 16:44 -0500, Kamisamanou Burgess wrote: > set the home page to "about:blank" without quotes Kamisamanou, thanks for providing a good solution for this. Sean -- just a quick follow-up to let you know that the webmaster address is for problems/questions about Fedora Project websites. For help with your Fedora system in the future, please use the resources found on this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From naheemzaffar at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 14:45:53 2008 From: naheemzaffar at gmail.com (Naheem Zaffar) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:45:53 +0100 Subject: Drupal CMS for Fedora Message-ID: <3adc77210808140745k56fae241q7f8664f325464408@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Just registered with this list after reading Karsten's blog on Planet Fedora. As the title suggests, I would recommend Drupal as a CMS. It has a modular design, and I expect it would not be too much effort to create a module to auth against FAS and there are many additional hooks. It has roles/groups based permissions which can be added to via additional access modules - specify who can view/edit/add what and where - all separated via "content type". Version 6.x of Drupal also has good internationalisation support from what I hear. RSS comes as standard, as does book/outline ability which is similar to the documentation system pages/contents currently used. It has good theming potential where the themes are pretty well separated from the content. The main benefit of Drupal is the contributed modules, Mainly CCK and Views. CCK - custom content types, allows you to create custom content types with as many/few fields needed - you can create a content type that has a predefined number of fields/text area's for whatever is needed. This could be extremely useful for things such as the feature process. "Views" can be used to list/display things in various ways depending on arguments provided to it. Very powerful. through the use of pathauto module, you can add url namespacing which may be of benefit to some. Admittedly a lot of the community oriented featured would proabably be go unused on the fpo website, but there are plenty of others that are very useful. From ylynfatt at flowja.com Thu Aug 14 14:49:02 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (Yannick Lyn Fatt) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:49:02 -0500 Subject: one CMS Message-ID: <48a445de.35a.2c5e.62067426@flowja.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel Jones To: "For maintainers and developers of all formal Fedora websites." Subject: Re: one CMS Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:01:38 +1200 >On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 16:01 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade >> wrote: I'm ready, let's do this. >> >> We need one CMS solution (for sanity sake), although >1 >install might be >> OK(?), to cover: >> >> * fedoraproject.org >> * docs.fedoraproject.org >> >> We need to move some content from the wiki (Licensing/*, >> Legal/*, Packaging*) to the CMS. >> >> Why a CMS? Read this: >> >> >http://iquaid.org/2008/08/13/why-and-where-fedora-needs-a-cms-solution/ >> >> Getting a CMS is a solution to a blocker for upgrading >> MediaWiki. The code we use for MW ACLs is not supported >in the latest release, and our >> version is going out of security update support. By >moving all content >> out of the wiki that needs ACLs, we don't have to have >> that code and upgrading is made possible. That also gets >> us to where we can use Nigel's localization setup. >> >> Reportedly we'll get a speed improvement on the wiki >> without the HNP code. So sayeth Nigel. See >#fedora-admin for details. Okay, heres the run down, in a >completely unscientific test (although nearly scientific), >I found that Mediawiki+HNP makes the wiki THREE times >slower. > >Now the problems also are (with the current setup): >1. HNP does not support Mediawiki > 1.11.2 >2. Per 1. we are locked into Mediawiki 1.11.2 >3. Per 2, we won't have any security updates once Mediawiki >1.13.x comes out (anytime now) >4. We are limited in options for l10n content >5. With the current state of the Mediawiki codebase, it >could be more desirable (imo) for us to work off SVN >versions like Wikipedia etc do (they update the wiki every >couple of days from SVN once it's been proven as working on >the test wiki). 6. HNP is just slow, and the code is >> disgusting. >> CMS must haves >> -------------- >> * Good security record >> * Proactive security mindedness of developer community >> * Flexible enough auth system to attach to FAS >> * RSS >> * ... >> >> CMS should haves >> ---------------- >> * OpenID >> * WYSIWYG editor >> * ... >> >> Have at it! > >http://www.opencms.org > >That said... http://www.silverstripe.com looks rather >nifty. Plus they are having a meetup in Auckland not too >far from me, so if we are interested I'll pop along and say >hi on behalf of Fedora :) > >- Nigel > What about Drupal? http://www.drupal.org - Yannick From ylynfatt at flowja.com Thu Aug 14 14:52:41 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (Yannick Lyn Fatt) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:52:41 -0500 Subject: Drupal CMS for Fedora Message-ID: <48a446b9.11e.2eb2.1061388631@flowja.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Naheem Zaffar" To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Subject: Drupal CMS for Fedora Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:45:53 +0100 >Hi all, > >Just registered with this list after reading Karsten's blog >on Planet Fedora. > >As the title suggests, I would recommend Drupal as a CMS. > >It has a modular design, and I expect it would not be too >much effort to create a module to auth against FAS and >there are many additional hooks. It has roles/groups based >permissions which can be added to via additional access >modules - specify who can view/edit/add what and where - >all separated via "content type". Version 6.x of Drupal >also has good internationalisation support from what I >hear. > >RSS comes as standard, as does book/outline ability which >is similar to the documentation system pages/contents >currently used. > >It has good theming potential where the themes are pretty >well separated from the content. The main benefit of Drupal >is the contributed modules, Mainly CCK and Views. > >CCK - custom content types, allows you to create custom >content types with as many/few fields needed - you can >create a content type that has a predefined number of >fields/text area's for whatever is needed. This could be >extremely useful for things such as the feature process. > >"Views" can be used to list/display things in various ways >depending on arguments provided to it. Very powerful. > >through the use of pathauto module, you can add url >namespacing which may be of benefit to some. > >Admittedly a lot of the community oriented featured would >proabably be go unused on the fpo website, but there are >plenty of others that are very useful. > I agree with Naheem and also made the suggestion in the other thread started on the mailing list regarding a CMS solution being needed for fp.o. - Yannick From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Aug 14 17:34:55 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:34:55 -0400 Subject: one CMS In-Reply-To: <1218668495.18668.186.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1218668495.18668.186.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20080814173455.GA19863@Max> On 2008-08-13 04:01:35 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > We need one CMS solution (for sanity sake), although >1 install might be > OK(?), to cover: > > * fedoraproject.org > * docs.fedoraproject.org If you don't mind, I'd like to focus this discussion on docs.fedoraproject.org first - the way I see it, if a CMS won't work for docs, then it's not worth using it on fp.o (plus maintaining a completely separate setup for docs). 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Recommend you try fedora-list or #fedora: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#User_Mailing_Lists https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#IRC - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From smooge at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 19:48:46 2008 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:48:46 -0600 Subject: CMS eliminators Message-ID: <80d7e4090808141248l26939d5dn6d43b19d74b34c14@mail.gmail.com> Sadly, one of the first issues in choosing a CMS will be what 'language' it is written in. I say sadly because this can also be the first of a long seige war where people who believe that embedded COBOL is the only way to write a CMS [isn't that what the C stands for] will bring it up every couple of weeks. In looking at a CMS, are there going to be certain 'languages' that are off the table from the beginning? (mod_cobol is probably one). A year ago, I would have said any CMS written in PHP would have had a tough slog onto Fedora infrastructure, but with Mediawiki I think that has been put to rest. But it would probably have to be shown that any PHP CMS could work with various known to be bad or tough to secure features turned off. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 21:38:31 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:38:31 -0400 Subject: CMS eliminators In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090808141248l26939d5dn6d43b19d74b34c14@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e4090808141248l26939d5dn6d43b19d74b34c14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1218749911.11246.57.camel@ignacio.lan> On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 13:48 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > A year ago, I would have said any CMS written in PHP would have had a > tough slog onto Fedora infrastructure, but with Mediawiki I think that > has been put to rest. But it would probably have to be shown that any > PHP CMS could work with various known to be bad or tough to secure > features turned off. 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What features/use cases does docs need/want? You are totally correct. My reason for jamming it together was to capture and move one-time the various ACL'd pages in the wiki. Another option we've discussed previously is to move them to e.g. Packaging: namespace. Then we have to re-jiggle the default search, etc. But it is far less disruptive. Ideally we'd match or improve the l10n workflow, such as by kicking out PO files from the CMS in to Transifex. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Thu Aug 14 22:35:44 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:35:44 -0700 Subject: CMS eliminators In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090808141248l26939d5dn6d43b19d74b34c14@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e4090808141248l26939d5dn6d43b19d74b34c14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1218753344.31796.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 13:48 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Sadly, one of the first issues in choosing a CMS will be what > 'language' it is written in. I say sadly because this can also be the > first of a long seige war where people who believe that embedded COBOL > is the only way to write a CMS [isn't that what the C stands for] will > bring it up every couple of weeks. In looking at a CMS, are there > going to be certain 'languages' that are off the table from the > beginning? (mod_cobol is probably one). > > A year ago, I would have said any CMS written in PHP would have had a > tough slog onto Fedora infrastructure, but with Mediawiki I think that > has been put to rest. But it would probably have to be shown that any > PHP CMS could work with various known to be bad or tough to secure > features turned off. Security history and responsiveness is pretty high on the list. I presume we can express that to cover language, if needed. We can put up features such as, "Written on modern technology with a vibrant community and likelihood of being popular beyond the next twelve months." But, yes, I think the days of something being off the list entirely because of language should be over. One reason is the way popular tools and languages draw in more contributors to Infrastructure and Websites. By my count, we picked up a couple of kick-ass contributors just in moving to MediaWiki. I expect if we pick another popular CMS, even PHP based :D, we'll see a similar intake of new talent who are passionate about the $CMS and are ready to be part of the larger Fedoraverse. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ah, that makes sense - so we can add fine-grained ACLs to the list of stuff to want, then hopefully focus on docs's publishing workflow needs. I don't know if we want to move both at the same time, though. I'd *hate* to end up using anything for the website that docs would not end up using long term as well. Either way, I'm just bringing this up in the context of finding good candidates. Just something to keep in mind when listing features that we'd want in a CMS. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It was always the > objective that once some momentum had been built up, and there were a number > of tasks being worked through, that "leadership" of the Websites project > could transfer to someone in the community who wanted to step into that > role. > > Are we ready for that yet? Is anyone feeling inspired? I am surprised no one responded to this post, and I don't think we are there yet. Inspiration is only part of the puzzle for me, time is the major factor ( i can barley make the meetings you are running :), and I am sure that is true of others. Growing a bit more couldn't hurt. Anyway, to your plan... > Here's the critical path, IMHO: > > (1) get-fedora into F10 shape, and incorporating a link to (2), below. My name is next to this one and I am not sure what our plan is? what are we planning to do to improve this? I am happy to work on anything we decide on/want to see, offer opinions or do mockups...Let's make 'getting fedora' better. I have read this, but I am not sure what we want to do for the user to make it better: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00231.html > (2) spins.fp.o into small, achievable milestones. The first milestone, > IMHO, needs to be a "spin information page" which contains basic information > about the spin, a .ks and a link to torrents, ISOs (wherever they are > hosted), or other download mechanisms. The second milestone is a basic > index of all spins. The third milestone is workflow to automate the > addition and deletion of spins from the index. > (3) Finding, developing, and recruiting people who are interested in web > application development. Making it as SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE for someone to > have a turbogears application, with Fedora look and feel, up and running on > a test instance somewhere in our infrastructure. > > (4) Respond to whatever comes up on a weekly basis that needs attention. > > That's my little roadmap. What do y'all think? I think it's the right path, and I think we still need you to bust trail :) I will bring up item 1 in the next meeting, but don't know anything about 2 other than it was to be a web app of sorts, and not just a set of static pages. my $.02 -- Craig > > --Max > From kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 23:59:16 2008 From: kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com (Izhar Firdaus) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:59:16 +0800 Subject: one CMS In-Reply-To: References: <1218668495.18668.186.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: 2008/8/14 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > I'm ready, let's do this. > > We need one CMS solution (for sanity sake), although >1 install might be > OK(?), to cover: > > * fedoraproject.org > * docs.fedoraproject.org > > We need to move some content from the wiki (Licensing/*, Legal/*, > Packaging*) to the CMS. > > Why a CMS? Read this: > > http://iquaid.org/2008/08/13/why-and-where-fedora-needs-a-cms-solution/ > > Getting a CMS is a solution to a blocker for upgrading MediaWiki. The > code we use for MW ACLs is not supported in the latest release, and our > version is going out of security update support. By moving all content > out of the wiki that needs ACLs, we don't have to have that code and > upgrading is made possible. That also gets us to where we can use > Nigel's localization setup. > > Reportedly we'll get a speed improvement on the wiki without the HNP > code. So sayeth Nigel. See #fedora-admin for details. I'm biased ... the Python CMS that runs on Zope ... Plone!!! ... :P .. > > CMS must haves > -------------- > * Good security record checked > * Proactive security mindedness of developer community checked > * Flexible enough auth system to attach to FAS PloneLDAP > * RSS all over the place > * ... > > CMS should haves > ---------------- > * OpenID checked > * WYSIWYG editor checked - its using Kupu .. also supports lots of markups like ReST, wiki markups, etc. > * ... > > Have at it! others: - contents are stored like inside a filesystem (folders, contents) - contenttype easily done using argoUML, code generated using archgenxml - templating using TAL (similar to turbogears's KID) - XML valid, clean, no need to mess with python - considering its python, might allow greater integration with python-fedora libraries, turbogears, and other python libs. - powerful caching when installed with squid as accellerator combined with the CacheFu product (CacheFu will invalidate squid cache when changes occur) - powerful indexing & searching capability (can index uploaded pdf, odf, doc, txt, etc) - and bunch more Cons: - require py2.4 .. - small choice of custom Products (plugins) - consume quite some RAM the fedoraunity guys know more i guess .. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > -- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 From asgeirf at redhat.com Fri Aug 15 01:57:26 2008 From: asgeirf at redhat.com (Asgeir Frimannsson) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:57:26 +1000 Subject: one CMS In-Reply-To: <1218752384.31796.14.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1218668495.18668.186.camel@calliope.phig.org> <20080814173455.GA19863@Max> <1218752384.31796.14.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <200808151157.27107.asgeirf@redhat.com> On Friday 15 August 2008 08:19:44 Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 13:34 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > > On 2008-08-13 04:01:35 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > We need one CMS solution (for sanity sake), although >1 install might > > > be OK(?), to cover: > > > > > > * fedoraproject.org > > > * docs.fedoraproject.org > > > > If you don't mind, I'd like to focus this discussion on > > docs.fedoraproject.org first - the way I see it, if a CMS won't work for > > docs, then it's not worth using it on fp.o (plus maintaining a > > completely separate setup for docs). > > > > The one main requirement (featurewise) from fp.o would be not breaking > > translator workflows. What features/use cases does docs need/want? > > You are totally correct. My reason for jamming it together was to > capture and move one-time the various ACL'd pages in the wiki. Another > option we've discussed previously is to move them to e.g. Packaging: > namespace. Then we have to re-jiggle the default search, etc. But it > is far less disruptive. > > Ideally we'd match or improve the l10n workflow, such as by kicking out > PO files from the CMS in to Transifex. It would be great if the l10n workflow doesn't break the authoring workflow as well. For example, if the CMS supports draft->review->$foo->publish workflows, to be able to ship the content for l10n only at certain stages, and have the workflow go back to a certain stage if a mistake/error is found in the source- language content by the translator... And also, it would be great for translators to have a 'review' step in the workflow for translated content before it is published, so that they can see translations in context. These are not necessarily requirements, but would be very nice to have :) cheers, asgeir From kwade at redhat.com Fri Aug 15 04:22:55 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:22:55 -0700 Subject: one CMS In-Reply-To: <200808151157.27107.asgeirf@redhat.com> References: <1218668495.18668.186.camel@calliope.phig.org> <20080814173455.GA19863@Max> <1218752384.31796.14.camel@calliope.phig.org> <200808151157.27107.asgeirf@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1218774175.31796.44.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 11:57 +1000, Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > These are not necessarily requirements, but would be very nice to > have :) +1 ... good additions, thanks. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pvrabec at redhat.com Thu Aug 14 13:00:52 2008 From: pvrabec at redhat.com (Peter Vrabec) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:00:52 +0200 Subject: find user account Message-ID: <200808141500.52494.pvrabec@redhat.com> dear websites team, could please consider how important might be to find some user account quickly. Maybe it's more important then 'VoIP Settings', but this is on your consideration. Would be possible to create something like https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/search or if already exist such thing, can you add link to the menu at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts thnx. From cadmax at cavtel.net Thu Aug 14 18:32:02 2008 From: cadmax at cavtel.net (Employees from CadMax Inc) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:32:02 -0400 Subject: Confused ........ Message-ID: <002101c8fe3c$0c4b1840$6500a8c0@oemcomputer> Hello, Ladies and Gentlemen, We are in the process of changing over to Linux. So we have downloaded Fedora 6 or 7. There are 4 CDs in all and 1 CD for the extras and 1 more for the Info. However, we could not find any downloadable user guide anywhere ....... we need to read up on installation, how to use, where are the contents etc before doing anything. Yes, there is plenty of help on websites ....... but one has to sit there reading it and never able to remember all that. We are looking for user guides, user manuals , dummy info if you would, about Linux, about Fedora etc. We think this is the one biggest problem with Linux. There is no such help as a book, a guide, not even a manual. Everything is on the web and it is simply impossible for anyone to sit there clicking all over looking for one line of info. Absolutely ridiculous. At least Microsoft would have downloadable texts for reading or books written for its products. So, our one and only question, also the one and only most important for anybody who knows nothing about Linux, is there any such thing as a user guide and or manual that one could download and read at leisure, refer to as much as possible ............. all without being at a computer ? If so, then, pray, where is it ? If Linux could cross that threshold, I am convinced the public in general would happily switch, at least to be fair and try it first. But without it, I am equally convinced Linux will always be in the closet behind closed doors, only for those who knows how to use it. Thanks so much ............. David. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 15 13:28:08 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:28:08 +0300 Subject: Confused ........ In-Reply-To: <002101c8fe3c$0c4b1840$6500a8c0@oemcomputer> References: <002101c8fe3c$0c4b1840$6500a8c0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <48A58468.4000705@nicubunu.ro> Employees from CadMax Inc wrote: > Hello, Ladies and Gentlemen, > We are in the > process of changing over to Linux. So we have downloaded Fedora 6 or 7. I hope you are aware that the life cycle for both Fedora 6 and 7 ended and none of those will receive updates any more. > There are 4 > CDs in all and 1 CD for the extras and 1 more for the Info. > However, we > could not find any downloadable user guide anywhere ....... we need to > read up on installation, how to use, where are the contents etc before > doing anything. Yes, there is plenty of help on websites ....... but one > has to sit there reading it and never able to remember all that. We are > looking for user guides, user manuals , dummy info if you would, about > Linux, about Fedora etc. We think this is the one biggest problem with > Linux. There is no such help as a book, a guide, not even a manual. > Everything is on the web and it is simply impossible for anyone to sit > there clicking all over looking for one line of info. Absolutely > ridiculous. At least Microsoft would have downloadable texts for reading > or books written for its products. There are plenty of books, for example perform a "fedora" book search on Amazon.com - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=fedora&x=0&y=0 So, our one > and only question, also the one and only most important for anybody who > knows nothing about Linux, is there any such thing as a user guide and > or manual that one could download and read at leisure, refer to as much > as possible ............. all without being at a computer ? If so, then, > pray, where is it ? If Linux could cross that threshold, I am convinced > the public in general would happily switch, at least to be fair and try > it first. But without it, I am equally convinced Linux will always be in > the closet behind closed doors, only for those who knows how to use it. How about the installation guide? http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/ Download the ZIP, extract its content and print the HTML files. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From markg85 at gmail.com Sat Aug 16 16:30:48 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:30:48 +0200 Subject: Amber website progress Message-ID: <6e24a8e80808160930i64b31069w53cc230b4b4d8c14@mail.gmail.com> Hey, http://amber.mageprojects.com/ is where i put the latest versions on. There are a few things to notice here. 1. The footer with the copyright info.. Most people probably don't want to read it so i made it less visible (specially the links) so that people don't get distracted by the footers links or the text. It's all there just less visible. 2. I intended to expand the current existing Fedoraproject.org layout with this new stuff but soon encountered annoying issues that where just not easy to fix without spending a lot of time modifying the layout. So therefore i continued on the one i started from scratch. The html is cleaner then the current fp one and the css can be cleaned up a lot (everywhere where i use background-image.. can all be stuffed in the background line) And a small message to Mike (the one that made those awesome mockups) can you please slice the images for the menu (normal and hover)? otherwise i have to edit those from the mockups which will take a lot longer for the same result.. and you have the source anyway. So would go a lot faster if you could do that for me. (also with the amber specific things) now i'm first gonna look which browsers don't like my code... (ie6 most likely) Next: menu with buttons and: jQuery effect on them ^_^ stay tuned. Thanx, Mark. From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 22:15:56 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:15:56 +0200 Subject: Amber website progress In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80808160930i64b31069w53cc230b4b4d8c14@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80808160930i64b31069w53cc230b4b4d8c14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80808171515s6d956e80gacad2c8186d5fbf7@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Mark wrote: > Hey, > > http://amber.mageprojects.com/ is where i put the latest versions on. > There are a few things to notice here. > > 1. The footer with the copyright info.. Most people probably don't > want to read it so i made it less visible (specially the links) so > that people don't get distracted by the footers links or the text. > It's all there just less visible. > > 2. I intended to expand the current existing Fedoraproject.org layout > with this new stuff but soon encountered annoying issues that where > just not easy to fix without spending a lot of time modifying the > layout. So therefore i continued on the one i started from scratch. > The html is cleaner then the current fp one and the css can be cleaned > up a lot (everywhere where i use background-image.. can all be stuffed > in the background line) > > And a small message to Mike (the one that made those awesome mockups) > can you please slice the images for the menu (normal and hover)? > otherwise i have to edit those from the mockups which will take a lot > longer for the same result.. and you have the source anyway. So would > go a lot faster if you could do that for me. (also with the amber > specific things) > > now i'm first gonna look which browsers don't like my code... (ie6 most likely) > > Next: menu with buttons and: jQuery effect on them ^_^ stay tuned. > > Thanx, > Mark. Oke, i did some browser checking and spend a good part of the day fixing it for ie. I had to change divs a bit to fix bugs in ie 6 and lower (higher then 4).. Take a look here: http://amber.mageprojects.com/ Tested under the following browsers: (100% OK) IE 5 (100% OK) IE 5.5 (100% OK) IE 6 (100% OK) IE 7 (100% OK) IE 8 beta (100% OK) FF 3 (100% OK) Opera 9.5 (100% OK) Konqueror (kde 4.1) (100% OK) Epiphany All show the layout the same now with some painfully hours of tweaking. The layout is coming along quite nicely now and the outer frame for the fedora project sites is now about done. The menu still had to be done to look like the mockups but that's about it for the overall frame. After that it's time for jQuery to enter the layout with it's fancy effects. Some other interesting info: XHTML 1.1 Valid: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Famber.mageprojects.com%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 CSS is also valid (level 2.1) http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Famber.mageprojects.com%2F&profile=css21&usermedium=all&warning=1&lang=en I actually COULD!! have make it work under IE 4 as well but decided to leave it out because IE 4 isn't supporting conditional statements thus i needed to use javascript (or php/python/whatever language fedora uses for the web stuff) to find out the browser version and load the css that belongs to it. That seemed a bit to extreme for me. I'm more then happy with the results so far. That's it for today with that website. From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Aug 18 16:45:03 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:45:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: meeting tonight, aug 18, 22:00 UTC Message-ID: Let's congregate whoever is around tonight at 22:00 UTC in #fedora-websites and talk. It's been a few weeks, and we need to get back into meeting mode. --Max From itprocanada at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 18:04:40 2008 From: itprocanada at gmail.com (Adam Humphreys) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:04:40 -0400 Subject: Fedora-websites-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <20080813084605.4B79D6191E1@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080813084605.4B79D6191E1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <76fbb8e10808181104j5d682a21qdadaf6bfc9f57c3c@mail.gmail.com> I would definitely encourage Fedora Websites to avoid using pictures in replacement of pure code (text) on the grounds of SEO. The sites need to remain simple on the premise of load time, meta-crawling, and browser compliance. if linx can't see the point we're trying to make (text) then we're probably not doing our job. I also noted that jquery didn't meet w3 markup compliance standards on their site so are they really credible? There's lots of ways to get the site to a 2.0 level with out risking too much issues of browser compliance. As long as we stick to suckerfish style menu's with pure code Google etc should be able to see the links. Thanks, Adam J. H On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:46 AM, wrote: > Send Fedora-websites-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-websites-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-websites-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-websites-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Developing the Amber layout form the mockups; Improving the > fedoraproject frame; How to proceed? (Mark) > 2. Re: Developing the Amber layout form the mockups (Mike Langlie) > 3. Re: Example wiki page (Ian Weller) > 4. (no subject) (Rui Garanhoto) > 5. APCI F9 support page? (Misha Manulis) > 6. Wiki Outage Notification - 2008-08-14 03:00 UTC & 2008-08-15 > 03:00 UTC (Nigel Jones) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:24:06 +0200 > From: Mark > Subject: Developing the Amber layout form the mockups; Improving the > fedoraproject frame; How to proceed? > To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <6e24a8e80808120924s2bcfc34bw64363d5d4e620e04 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello all, > > Recently i've spoken with Robin Norwood about the Amber mockups and > volunteered to make the mockups work in html+css and perhaps even some > javascript. > I did make a head start with the development but soon discovered that > i actually needed to tell it here first so that i can get some > feedback on how to proceed in this. > My intention is (as said) to make the mockups in html and let amber > use it. The other part is the frame of the mockups which is supposed > to be the default for all of the fedora sites. All those sites already > look like the mockup but can use some more attention to let the left > menu look like it and perhaps the bottom (didn't really compare the > 2). > > It seems obvious for me that i need to take the current css from > fedoraproject, adjust it to the mockup style and post it here so it > can be used and integrated in fedoraproject sites. > But how do you think about it? your opinion on how to proceed with > this would be welcome. > > About the mockups > I saw them and they look very good! but i have an idea to make them > look better. For that idea look here: http://ui.jquery.com/ at the 3 > big buttons on the bottom. Wouldn't that effect be nice in > fedoraproject for the buttons and the application frames in the > mockup? For that to work i need a mockup in the hover state of those. > So what do you think about that idea? > I think it would make the fedoraprject sites and amber look more > polished with that in it. > > About the name : "Amber" > I talked to Norwood about this as well and told him that i actually > liked (the codename) Amber way more then the intended name: > "Application install".. Norwood told me that he is fine with both > names and i personally would like to see Amber as the final name. > > So i would like to ask the rest what they think is better: > - Amber > - Application Install > > Cast your votes. > (from me it's +1 for Amber) > > I hope i didn't forget anything. > > Greetings, > Mark > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:58:32 -0400 > From: Mike Langlie > Subject: Re: Developing the Amber layout form the mockups > To: Mark > Cc: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <48A1CF48.8000309 at redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Mark, > > That's a cool effect. Here is an animated mockup of what could be done > with Amber application blocks. > > http://yipyop.com/fedora/amber_block_transition.gif > > The normal state has a fade from #f3f4f4 to white, going halfway down > the block. > The hover state has a fade from #d7e7f7 to white, also halfway down the > block. > The transition fades between the two. > > Maybe make the backgrounds transparent PNGs that could fade in over each > other? > (Note there's a 1px border inside the 1px outer grey border.) > > Mike > > > Mark wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Recently i've spoken with Robin Norwood about the Amber mockups and > > volunteered to make the mockups work in html+css and perhaps even some > > javascript. > > I did make a head start with the development but soon discovered that > > i actually needed to tell it here first so that i can get some > > feedback on how to proceed in this. > > My intention is (as said) to make the mockups in html and let amber > > use it. The other part is the frame of the mockups which is supposed > > to be the default for all of the fedora sites. All those sites already > > look like the mockup but can use some more attention to let the left > > menu look like it and perhaps the bottom (didn't really compare the > > 2). > > > > It seems obvious for me that i need to take the current css from > > fedoraproject, adjust it to the mockup style and post it here so it > > can be used and integrated in fedoraproject sites. > > But how do you think about it? your opinion on how to proceed with > > this would be welcome. > > > > About the mockups > > I saw them and they look very good! but i have an idea to make them > > look better. For that idea look here: http://ui.jquery.com/ at the 3 > > big buttons on the bottom. Wouldn't that effect be nice in > > fedoraproject for the buttons and the application frames in the > > mockup? For that to work i need a mockup in the hover state of those. > > So what do you think about that idea? > > I think it would make the fedoraprject sites and amber look more > > polished with that in it. > > > > About the name : "Amber" > > I talked to Norwood about this as well and told him that i actually > > liked (the codename) Amber way more then the intended name: > > "Application install".. Norwood told me that he is fine with both > > names and i personally would like to see Amber as the final name. > > > > So i would like to ask the rest what they think is better: > > - Amber > > - Application Install > > > > Cast your votes. > > (from me it's +1 for Amber) > > > > I hope i didn't forget anything. > > > > Greetings, > > Mark > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:58:34 -0500 > From: Ian Weller > Subject: Re: Example wiki page > To: For participants of the Documentation Project > > Cc: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20080812185322.GA1143 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:24:16AM -0700, Sam Chen wrote: > > > > >>>But this page looks good to me! You might also want a link to > > >>>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing as well. > > > > How come this wiki page starts at the second page of my IE browser? The > first page is totally blank with only the side menus to the left. > > Shen-En Chen > > > Does this occur for other wiki pages in IE? > > (ccing f-websites-l) > > -- > Ian Weller http://ianweller.org > GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." > ~ Douglas Adams > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 197 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/attachments/20080812/aebc0d63/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:48:10 +0100 > From: "Rui Garanhoto" > Subject: (no subject) > To: > Message-ID: <000a01c8fc92$d4632030$7d296090$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi there! > > > > In Fedora's website there is the pt_BR language. > > Well, Portuguese and Brazilian in fact look alike but there are many words > that you write and pronounce different. > > Some person that don't understand a webmaster's work could think that those > are grammar mistakes. > > > > Would you like to add a pt_PT language to the site? > > I'll do it for free, I'll just need time to do it (I'm a webmaster myself > and with lots of work these last days). > > > > > > Best regards, > > Rui Garanhoto > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/attachments/20080812/9dee1e56/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:08:27 -0700 > From: Misha Manulis > Subject: APCI F9 support page? > To: webmaster at fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, > > I am setting up my Eee PC and the Fedora Eee PC page, > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc > , refers to "ACPI support in Fedora 9" but I cannot locate the > document. 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A second outage is scheduled to start at > 2008-08-15 03:00 UTC lasting approximately 30 minutes. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: > > date -d '2008-08-14 03:00 UTC' > date -d '2008-08-15 03:00 UTC' > > Affected Services: > > Fedora Project Wiki > > Unaffected Services: > > All Other Websites > CVS / Source Control > Buildsystem > Database > DNS > Mail > Torrent > > Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/754 > > Reason for Outage: > > We will be performing database changes to the wiki database to enable > searching by default for specific categories and to switch to the > internal authentication methods. We hope to be able to leave the wiki > Read Only during both outages. > > Contact Information: > > Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email > to track the status of this outage. > > Thanks, > > Nigel Jones > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > End of Fedora-websites-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 9 > *************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From itprocanada at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 18:27:11 2008 From: itprocanada at gmail.com (Adam Humphreys) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:27:11 -0400 Subject: Fedora-websites-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <20080814234442.99E4461A551@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080814234442.99E4461A551@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <76fbb8e10808181127n12ada702j785efad70b0144cc@mail.gmail.com> My experience as a web architect in a similar CMS interactive environment like this was to first implement a bug tracker system, and then work in priority sequence to what the site structure needed through out the ongoing development cycle. Since the people are the voice of Fedora it only makes sense to add a secure API that users can easily add in their concerns with out making it too difficult.The best thing I've seen yet is a page that users could submit their errors, or suggestions to the bottom of the page to be submitted to the DB for review into the bug tracker. For the versatile structure requirements of the Fedora CMS I am definitely also leaning towards Drupal.org. It has an open enough infrastructure to add in a number of great features and is ported for easy adoption of new technologies as they come rather than being locked down. Being able to adapt easily is a big concern as we're facing the movement of the entire infrastructure onto a new base. I would naturally encourage everyone to keep looking as there's tons of amazing CMS out there but this one seems to be the best fit I've seen so far. Adopting ajax menu's for suggestions as people entered in key words would be an asset to keeping the system more efficient, and getting results simple for users. I'm pretty sure we can all agree that keeping things organized is the easiest way to maintain the site. Adam J. Humphreys On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:44 PM, wrote: > Send Fedora-websites-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-websites-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-websites-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-websites-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: one CMS (Ricky Zhou) > 2. Re: need help (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) > 3. CMS eliminators (Stephen John Smoogen) > 4. Re: CMS eliminators (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) > 5. Re: one CMS (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) > 6. Re: one CMS (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) > 7. Re: CMS eliminators (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) > 8. Re: one CMS (Ricky Zhou) > 9. Re: Websites Meetings (Craig Thomas) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:34:55 -0400 > From: Ricky Zhou > Subject: Re: one CMS > To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20080814173455.GA19863 at Max> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On 2008-08-13 04:01:35 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > We need one CMS solution (for sanity sake), although >1 install might be > > OK(?), to cover: > > > > * fedoraproject.org > > * docs.fedoraproject.org > If you don't mind, I'd like to focus this discussion on > docs.fedoraproject.org first - the way I see it, if a CMS won't work for > docs, then it's not worth using it on fp.o (plus maintaining a > completely separate setup for docs). > > The one main requirement (featurewise) from fp.o would be not breaking > translator workflows. What features/use cases does docs need/want? > > Thanks, > Ricky > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 197 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/attachments/20080814/b78b224e/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:43:15 -0700 > From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" > Subject: Re: need help > To: Sean , webmaster > > Message-ID: <1218739395.31796.6.camel at calliope.phig.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:19 -0400, Sean wrote: > > > I have tried the FAQs and the FEdora Project wiki without success. > > Recommend you try fedora-list or #fedora: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#User_Mailing_Lists > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#IRC > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/attachments/20080814/d53c69da/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:48:46 -0600 > From: "Stephen John Smoogen" > Subject: CMS eliminators > To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <80d7e4090808141248l26939d5dn6d43b19d74b34c14 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Sadly, one of the first issues in choosing a CMS will be what > 'language' it is written in. I say sadly because this can also be the > first of a long seige war where people who believe that embedded COBOL > is the only way to write a CMS [isn't that what the C stands for] will > bring it up every couple of weeks. In looking at a CMS, are there > going to be certain 'languages' that are off the table from the > beginning? (mod_cobol is probably one). > > A year ago, I would have said any CMS written in PHP would have had a > tough slog onto Fedora infrastructure, but with Mediawiki I think that > has been put to rest. But it would probably have to be shown that any > PHP CMS could work with various known to be bad or tough to secure > features turned off. > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux > How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed > in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:38:31 -0400 > From: Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > Subject: Re: CMS eliminators > To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1218749911.11246.57.camel at ignacio.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 13:48 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > A year ago, I would have said any CMS written in PHP would have had a > > tough slog onto Fedora infrastructure, but with Mediawiki I think that > > has been put to rest. But it would probably have to be shown that any > > PHP CMS could work with various known to be bad or tough to secure > > features turned off. > > There is drupy, but I don't know if it's in a usable state yet. > > http://drupy.net/ > > -- > Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/attachments/20080814/5d061c2a/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:19:44 -0700 > From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" > Subject: Re: one CMS > To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1218752384.31796.14.camel at calliope.phig.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 13:34 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > > On 2008-08-13 04:01:35 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > We need one CMS solution (for sanity sake), although >1 install might > be > > > OK(?), to cover: > > > > > > * fedoraproject.org > > > * docs.fedoraproject.org > > If you don't mind, I'd like to focus this discussion on > > docs.fedoraproject.org first - the way I see it, if a CMS won't work for > > docs, then it's not worth using it on fp.o (plus maintaining a > > completely separate setup for docs). > > > > The one main requirement (featurewise) from fp.o would be not breaking > > translator workflows. What features/use cases does docs need/want? > > You are totally correct. My reason for jamming it together was to > capture and move one-time the various ACL'd pages in the wiki. Another > option we've discussed previously is to move them to e.g. Packaging: > namespace. Then we have to re-jiggle the default search, etc. But it > is far less disruptive. > > Ideally we'd match or improve the l10n workflow, such as by kicking out > PO files from the CMS in to Transifex. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/attachments/20080814/f4782c36/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:30:17 -0700 > From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" > Subject: Re: one CMS > To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1218753017.31796.19.camel at calliope.phig.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 09:49 -0500, Yannick Lyn Fatt wrote: > > > > > What about Drupal? http://www.drupal.org > > Drupal is certainly a fine CMS, filled with features, and has a strong > community as well as commercial presence. > > In this discussion, we want to be careful of putting the cart before the > horse, an expression that means in this context, "Let's first figure out > what features we need and don't need, then we'll work on which tool fits > those features best." > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/attachments/20080814/f1a469b3/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:35:44 -0700 > From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" > Subject: Re: CMS eliminators > To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1218753344.31796.25.camel at calliope.phig.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 13:48 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > Sadly, one of the first issues in choosing a CMS will be what > > 'language' it is written in. I say sadly because this can also be the > > first of a long seige war where people who believe that embedded COBOL > > is the only way to write a CMS [isn't that what the C stands for] will > > bring it up every couple of weeks. In looking at a CMS, are there > > going to be certain 'languages' that are off the table from the > > beginning? (mod_cobol is probably one). > > > > A year ago, I would have said any CMS written in PHP would have had a > > tough slog onto Fedora infrastructure, but with Mediawiki I think that > > has been put to rest. But it would probably have to be shown that any > > PHP CMS could work with various known to be bad or tough to secure > > features turned off. > > Security history and responsiveness is pretty high on the list. I > presume we can express that to cover language, if needed. We can put up > features such as, "Written on modern technology with a vibrant community > and likelihood of being popular beyond the next twelve months." > > But, yes, I think the days of something being off the list entirely > because of language should be over. > > One reason is the way popular tools and languages draw in more > contributors to Infrastructure and Websites. By my count, we picked up > a couple of kick-ass contributors just in moving to MediaWiki. I expect > if we pick another popular CMS, even PHP based :D, we'll see a similar > intake of new talent who are passionate about the $CMS and are ready to > be part of the larger Fedoraverse. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/attachments/20080814/d76dd521/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:09:39 -0400 > From: Ricky Zhou > Subject: Re: one CMS > To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20080814230939.GA4264 at Max> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On 2008-08-14 03:19:44 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > You are totally correct. My reason for jamming it together was to > > capture and move one-time the various ACL'd pages in the wiki. Another > > option we've discussed previously is to move them to e.g. Packaging: > > namespace. Then we have to re-jiggle the default search, etc. But it > > is far less disruptive. > Ah, that makes sense - so we can add fine-grained ACLs to the list of > stuff to want, then hopefully focus on docs's publishing workflow needs. > I don't know if we want to move both at the same time, though. I'd > *hate* to end up using anything for the website that docs would not end > up using long term as well. > > Either way, I'm just bringing this up in the context of finding good > candidates. Just something to keep in mind when listing features that > we'd want in a CMS. > > Thanks, > Ricky > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 197 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/attachments/20080814/cf214084/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:44:22 -0400 > From: "Craig Thomas" > Subject: Re: Websites Meetings > To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > > I'm taking my summer vacation starting tonight, and I won't be back until > > next Wednesday, so I'll be missing both of these meetings. > > Hi all, > > I have recently returned to the world from same :) > > > > > Which brings me to a larger topic: > > > > A couple of months ago when Mike McGrath asked someone to start holding > > Websites meetings regularly, I volunteered because I wanted to step in > and > > fill a need. But as you all know, I am not deeply active in the day to > day > > coding or design that goes on in Fedora Websites. It was always the > > objective that once some momentum had been built up, and there were a > number > > of tasks being worked through, that "leadership" of the Websites project > > could transfer to someone in the community who wanted to step into that > > role. > > > > Are we ready for that yet? Is anyone feeling inspired? > > I am surprised no one responded to this post, and I don't think we are > there yet. Inspiration is only part of the puzzle for me, time is the > major factor ( i can barley make the meetings you are running :), and > I am sure that is true of others. Growing a bit more couldn't hurt. > Anyway, to your plan... > > > Here's the critical path, IMHO: > > > > (1) get-fedora into F10 shape, and incorporating a link to (2), below. > > My name is next to this one and I am not sure what our plan is? what > are we planning to do to improve this? I am happy to work on anything > we decide on/want to see, offer opinions or do mockups...Let's make > 'getting fedora' better. I have read this, but I am not sure what we > want to do for the user to make it better: > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00231.html > > > (2) spins.fp.o into small, achievable milestones. The first milestone, > > IMHO, needs to be a "spin information page" which contains basic > information > > about the spin, a .ks and a link to torrents, ISOs (wherever they are > > hosted), or other download mechanisms. The second milestone is a basic > > index of all spins. The third milestone is workflow to automate the > > addition and deletion of spins from the index. > > > (3) Finding, developing, and recruiting people who are interested in web > > application development. Making it as SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE for someone to > > have a turbogears application, with Fedora look and feel, up and running > on > > a test instance somewhere in our infrastructure. > > > > (4) Respond to whatever comes up on a weekly basis that needs attention. > > > > That's my little roadmap. What do y'all think? > > I think it's the right path, and I think we still need you to bust > trail :) I will bring up item 1 in the next meeting, but don't know > anything about 2 other than it was to be a web app of sorts, and not > just a set of static pages. > > my $.02 > > -- > Craig > > > > > --Max > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > End of Fedora-websites-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 14 > **************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's lots of ways to get the site to a 2.0 level > with out risking too much issues of browser compliance. As long as we > stick to suckerfish style menu's with pure code Google etc should be > able to see the links. Sorry, it's not clear which of the emails included in your message you were replying to. When replying to a digest, please edit the Subject and the message body to make that clear. Thanks! - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Aug 18 21:39:08 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:39:08 -0700 Subject: CMS thoughts (was Re: Fedora-websites-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 14) In-Reply-To: <76fbb8e10808181127n12ada702j785efad70b0144cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080814234442.99E4461A551@hormel.redhat.com> <76fbb8e10808181127n12ada702j785efad70b0144cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1219095548.31648.57.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:27 -0400, Adam Humphreys wrote: > My experience as a web architect in a similar CMS interactive > environment like this was to first implement a bug tracker system, and > then work in priority sequence to what the site structure needed > through out the ongoing development cycle. Since the people are the > voice of Fedora it only makes sense to add a secure API that users can > easily add in their concerns with out making it too difficult.The best > thing I've seen yet is a page that users could submit their errors, or > suggestions to the bottom of the page to be submitted to the DB for > review into the bug tracker. If I'm understanding correctly, you are suggesting a method of: * Scoping the project, including features needed from the CMS * Mapping that to a (bug) tracking system, using the tracker to organize and prioritize the individual tasks * Opening submissions to the tracking system through a per-page comment gathering system that hooks in to the Fedora account system to It seems like a pretty thorough method. It's not necessarily overly much for this project, but it does require a fair amount of technical resources up front and throughout, where I'm not sure we have the people available. Unless you are volunteering? ;-D > For the versatile structure requirements of the Fedora CMS I am > definitely also leaning towards Drupal.org. It has an open enough > infrastructure to add in a number of great features and is ported for > easy adoption of new technologies as they come rather than being > locked down. Being able to adapt easily is a big concern as we're > facing the movement of the entire infrastructure onto a new base. I > would naturally encourage everyone to keep looking as there's tons of > amazing CMS out there but this one seems to be the best fit I've seen > so far. Adopting ajax menu's for suggestions as people entered in key > words would be an asset to keeping the system more efficient, and > getting results simple for users. I'm pretty sure we can all agree > that keeping things organized is the easiest way to maintain the site. Thanks for the endorsement etc. I reckon Drupal is pretty high on any list, these days. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think anybody's working on it at the moment, and we > could definitely still use the page. > > > >From the requirements and details I know we need contact > > info for end user support, legal issues, website issues and > > the apache test page. What other contacts are needed or what > > other questions do we get via the mailing list that are > > misdirected or off topic? > That sounds like a pretty complete list. Maybe we could add a contact > for mirror problems (is mirror-admin at fp.o the right address for those?) > > Thanks for taking this on, > Ricky Hey Ricky, I stumbled across this page on the wiki (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Contact) and noticed it had the email addresses for some contact persons for various inquiries. Should these be added to the fp.o/contact page and if so are the names mentioned here still the same persons that those inquiries should to be sent to? 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URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Aug 19 12:24:15 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:24:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: meeting minutes from last night Message-ID: Here are the meeting minutes from last night: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-08-18 somewhat-updated task list https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks thanks, Max From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 16:39:24 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:39:24 +0200 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > Here are the meeting minutes from last night: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-08-18 > > somewhat-updated task list > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks > > thanks, > Max > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > Task name: Common look and feel I believe i'm partly the one that works on that since i'm trying to get the amber mockups in a real website state and it's going quite fine at the moment. The outer frame (not amber specific) should be the default of all of fedora's sites or that's how i understood it. Shame i saw this meeting message one day to late.. To see the current progress on my effort look here: http://browsershots.org/http://amber.mageprojects.com/ it currently works quite well under even old browsers! Just the next step: "animated menu" proves to be a pain in the ass. From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 19 17:23:11 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:23:11 -0700 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1219166591.7342.48.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:39 +0200, Mark wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > > Here are the meeting minutes from last night: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-08-18 > > > > somewhat-updated task list > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks > > > > thanks, > > Max > > > > -- > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > > Task name: Common look and feel Is there a wiki page explaining the scope and goal of this task? I've caught some of the cross-chatter but don't understand what amber is, nor how it relates to 'Fedora applications'. Nor much else, apparently. :) thx - Karsten > I believe i'm partly the one that works on that since i'm trying to > get the amber mockups in a real website state and it's going quite > fine at the moment. The outer frame (not amber specific) should be the > default of all of fedora's sites or that's how i understood it. Shame > i saw this meeting message one day to late.. > > To see the current progress on my effort look here: > http://browsershots.org/http://amber.mageprojects.com/ it currently > works quite well under even old browsers! Just the next step: > "animated menu" proves to be a pain in the ass. > -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 19 17:38:19 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:38:19 -0400 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AB050B.8050502@fedoraproject.org> Hi Mark, Mark wrote: > Task name: Common look and feel > > I believe i'm partly the one that works on that since i'm trying to > get the amber mockups in a real website state and it's going quite > fine at the moment. The outer frame (not amber specific) should be the > default of all of fedora's sites or that's how i understood it. Shame > i saw this meeting message one day to late.. > > To see the current progress on my effort look here: > http://browsershots.org/http://amber.mageprojects.com/ it currently > works quite well under even old browsers! Just the next step: > "animated menu" proves to be a pain in the ass. I've actually been working on a generic Fedora applications layout based on the earlier mockups I'd posted; the html/CSS I have so far is here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/My%20Fedora/html/ It inherits from the existing fedoraproject.org css which i think is important... ~m From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 18:12:39 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:12:39 +0200 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <48AB050B.8050502@fedoraproject.org> References: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> <48AB050B.8050502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80808191112n494a04d6pbca4b5b319c715c4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:38 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Mark wrote: >> >> Task name: Common look and feel >> >> I believe i'm partly the one that works on that since i'm trying to >> get the amber mockups in a real website state and it's going quite >> fine at the moment. The outer frame (not amber specific) should be the >> default of all of fedora's sites or that's how i understood it. Shame >> i saw this meeting message one day to late.. >> >> To see the current progress on my effort look here: >> http://browsershots.org/http://amber.mageprojects.com/ it currently >> works quite well under even old browsers! Just the next step: >> "animated menu" proves to be a pain in the ass. > > I've actually been working on a generic Fedora applications layout based on > the earlier mockups I'd posted; the html/CSS I have so far is here: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/My%20Fedora/html/ > > It inherits from the existing fedoraproject.org css which i think is > important... > > ~m > Hi M?ir?n My version was first inheriting from fedoraproject as well bus is now made from scratch because the left menu was hard to give a background using the existing style.css from fp. @Karsten 'quaid' Wade And (again) for amber. The frame around the amber layout is gonna be generic for all of fedora (or that's the idea) and that's what you can see live now at: http://amber.mageprojects.com/ the only thing i have to finish there before the frame is done is the left menu. the rest is about done for the generic frame. And this is how it should look when i'm done for amber: http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_apps.png But now that i saw the post of M?ir?n.. which one is gonna be used as the default frame for fedora and it's sub domains? mine or M?ir?n's? (i really need to participate in the next meeting) mailed as a cc to Robin Norwood in the hope that he can give his opinion about this as well. From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 19 18:35:37 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:35:37 -0700 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80808191112n494a04d6pbca4b5b319c715c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> <48AB050B.8050502@fedoraproject.org> <6e24a8e80808191112n494a04d6pbca4b5b319c715c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1219170937.7342.63.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 20:12 +0200, Mark wrote: > And this is how it should look when i'm done for amber: > http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_apps.png OK, I can now make some guesses about what Amber is, as well as what Fedora Applications is. That screenshot looks fairly far reaching in terms of scope; 'Categories' and 'Articles' jump out to me. Is there some kind of project description, scope, use cases, etc.? Sorry that I'm late to this, I missed earlier discussion here I reckon and am trying to catch up. > But now that i saw the post of M?ir?n.. which one is gonna be used as > the default frame for fedora and it's sub domains? mine or M?ir?n's? > (i really need to participate in the next meeting) mailed as a cc to > Robin Norwood in the hope that he can give his opinion about this as > well. I've seen several people working on the task of a common look and feel for Fedora websites. Maybe we can sort it out on list and get the tasks on the list: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks#The_list cheers - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 18:52:19 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:52:19 +0200 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <1219170937.7342.63.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> <48AB050B.8050502@fedoraproject.org> <6e24a8e80808191112n494a04d6pbca4b5b319c715c4@mail.gmail.com> <1219170937.7342.63.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80808191152t52951002yb4bf3f963d2cc0b1@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/19 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > > On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 20:12 +0200, Mark wrote: > >> And this is how it should look when i'm done for amber: >> http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_apps.png > > OK, I can now make some guesses about what Amber is, as well as what > Fedora Applications is. > > That screenshot looks fairly far reaching in terms of scope; > 'Categories' and 'Articles' jump out to me. > > Is there some kind of project description, scope, use cases, etc.? > > Sorry that I'm late to this, I missed earlier discussion here I reckon > and am trying to catch up. > >> But now that i saw the post of M?ir?n.. which one is gonna be used as >> the default frame for fedora and it's sub domains? mine or M?ir?n's? >> (i really need to participate in the next meeting) mailed as a cc to >> Robin Norwood in the hope that he can give his opinion about this as >> well. > > I've seen several people working on the task of a common look and feel > for Fedora websites. Maybe we can sort it out on list and get the tasks > on the list: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks#The_list > > cheers - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > Wiki for "Amber" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ApplicationInstaller And i why add it on the task list when it's already there: "Common look and feel" It just also needs to say who is working on it. Right now it's getting kinda frustrating to see that 2 people are working on the exact same thing while i did posted it here on the websites list from the start (as was requested from me). Named: "Developing the Amber layout form the mockups; Improving the fedoraproject frame; How to proceed?" (long title i know) From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 19 19:00:30 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:00:30 -0400 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80808191112n494a04d6pbca4b5b319c715c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> <48AB050B.8050502@fedoraproject.org> <6e24a8e80808191112n494a04d6pbca4b5b319c715c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AB184E.5030408@fedoraproject.org> Mark wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:38 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/My%20Fedora/html/ >> >> It inherits from the existing fedoraproject.org css which i think is >> important... > My version was first inheriting from fedoraproject as well bus is now > made from scratch because the left menu was hard to give a background > using the existing style.css from fp. Mine does inherit from the fedoraproject.org master CSS and has the tabs. > > @Karsten 'quaid' Wade > And (again) for amber. The frame around the amber layout is gonna be > generic for all of fedora (or that's the idea) and that's what you can > see live now at: http://amber.mageprojects.com/ the only thing i have > to finish there before the frame is done is the left menu. the rest is > about done for the generic frame. > > And this is how it should look when i'm done for amber: > http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_apps.png So I'm working on the basic layout including the tabs on the left, which came out of the my fedora design: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MyFedora/Mockups We don't have those little teaser boxes for applications though so maybe if you can do the styling for those we can include it? I'm really worried about duplication of efforts here. And we definitely should not be throwing away all the work done on the fpo master stylesheet and re-doing it either. > > But now that i saw the post of M?ir?n.. which one is gonna be used as > the default frame for fedora and it's sub domains? mine or M?ir?n's? > (i really need to participate in the next meeting) mailed as a cc to > Robin Norwood in the hope that he can give his opinion about this as > well. ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 19 19:07:23 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:07:23 -0400 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80808191152t52951002yb4bf3f963d2cc0b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> <48AB050B.8050502@fedoraproject.org> <6e24a8e80808191112n494a04d6pbca4b5b319c715c4@mail.gmail.com> <1219170937.7342.63.camel@calliope.phig.org> <6e24a8e80808191152t52951002yb4bf3f963d2cc0b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AB19EB.7040506@fedoraproject.org> Mark wrote: > And i why add it on the task list when it's already there: "Common > look and feel" > It just also needs to say who is working on it. Right now it's getting > kinda frustrating to see that 2 people are working on the exact same > thing while i did posted it here on the websites list from the start > (as was requested from me). I think this is probably a case of poor communication on both sides. The Amber project unfortunately has not been discussed much at all on websites list and not at all in any of the websites meetings. While I know the design of the Fedora applications html/css has been discussed in various meetings, it's something that has been talked about a long time but the push for getting things done has only been in the past month or so. I have made some planet Fedora posts about the work suchs as this one: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58834.html Which was also brought up on this list not soon after: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-July/msg00019.html So it seems like we've just missed each other. i don't really think it is so important how we got into this situation, more importantly how will we resolve this. And I don't think throwing away and redoing the master fpo css is the answer. ~m From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 19 19:24:35 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:24:35 -0700 Subject: CMS focus and scope Message-ID: <1219173875.7342.71.camel@calliope.phig.org> I just posted an update http://iquaid.org/2008/08/19/fedora-cms-focus-and-scope/ ... which I reposted below[1]. Here is the task's project page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites The schedule currently allows a long time (~1 month) for scoping and vetting solutions, then another few weeks for installing a version to test as a replacement for docs.fp.o. Based on that experience and tweaks done during the F10 release process, we can plan for www.fp.o _after_ F10 releases. That way we use our stable systems through the release where it counts the most. In case it is not obvious, the intention of the schedule sync is to provide the full F10 Release Candidate release notes from docs.fp.org via the new CMS. - Karsten [1] from http://iquaid.org/2008/08/19/fedora-cms-focus-and-scope/ Fedora CMS focus and scope After my post, Why and where Fedora needs a CMS solution, which included a follow-up discussion on fedora-websites-list, there were questions and gentle dissent. I think those stemmed mainly from it not being clear what the intended scope is for a CMS solution. There were also calls for one or another specific CMS solution, which we?ll get to in due time. One concern expressed in comments to my post were two interrelated ideas: that contributors were going to be forced to use a CMS instead of whatever solution they prefer (i.e., a wiki), and that this would end-up splitting content into different areas, which is confusing for everyone. The scope of the CMS solution that I am looking for is to cover two specific websites: www.fedoraproject.org and docs.fedoraproject.org. The ?www..? site hosts content that is relatively static, usually only changes between releases, and is part of a management and translation process. The ?docs?? site hosts full-length documentation that has been drafted, edited, translated, and organized into topics and by version/release. The wiki continues to be a community documentation site, focusing on content of the smaller and easier to digest size and scope that works best in a wiki format, with two audiences: contributors and end-users, in that order. In addition, there are some specific content topics that have lived on the wiki as their canonical home, which has required them to have an access control list (ACL) defining who can edit. My goal is to get that content?s canonical home moved to the CMS within the www container. People who work on that more controlled content as writers and editors do not need to switch from the wiki as their preferred authoring tool. It is the formal publishing location that we need to change to be within the CMS. Then we can use the CMS?s native access control tools. This process matches what we do for the release notes, where the community writes and edits content in the release notes beats, but the final publication locations (docs.fedoraproject.org and the fedora-release-notes package) are not wide-open for at-will changes by anyone in the community. This follows a policy that Fedora Documentation has long used, which Fedora Websites began to follow a few releases ago. For multiple reasons, certain types of content cannot have the wiki as their canonical reference point. One case is where the content integrity is highly important to the very existence of the project, such as legal matters and packaging directions. Content is so powerful in this area that the changing of even one word can put the entire project in jeopardy. Anther case is when the translations and the original must be in tight synchronization, which is not trivial in a free moving wiki environment. The case that started it all off for the Websites and Infrastructure team was the fundamental slowness of any dynamic content system when the pages are being hammered for information after a release. (Note to self: the CMS solution must be able to make specific pages or content areas static, serving them from built web components and not out of the database.) After the Fedora Websites meeting we just had, there is now a specific task I am working against, and a rough timeline. Please continue to leave comments here, on fedora-websites-list, or directly to me via email. -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's akin to a Trac instance on fedorahosted.org, where one > > should be able to use a custom CSS. Another comparison are the sites on > > et.redhat.com and sourceware.org. > > > > Just how it looks to me, anyway. > > In fact, thats exactly how it's setup, it goes to the Red Hat server, > not a Fedora server, we have zero control over it. Then I'll ask the obvious question: why is this on a fedoraproject.org domain? This is connects to other questions about fedorahosted.org: * Are projects on fh.org full upstreams that should have control over their own style? ** sf.net, for example, has a hosted tools area that is all one UI, and a web hosting area that can be individually branded ** you see this on et.redhat.com, sources.redhat.com/sourceware.org - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 19 20:24:49 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:24:49 -0400 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <48AB19EB.7040506@fedoraproject.org> References: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> <48AB050B.8050502@fedoraproject.org> <6e24a8e80808191112n494a04d6pbca4b5b319c715c4@mail.gmail.com> <1219170937.7342.63.camel@calliope.phig.org> <6e24a8e80808191152t52951002yb4bf3f963d2cc0b1@mail.gmail.com> <48AB19EB.7040506@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48AB2C11.4000505@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > i don't really think it is so important how we got into this situation, > more importantly how will we resolve this. And I don't think throwing > away and redoing the master fpo css is the answer. Just for everyone's benefit, Mark and I discussed this on IRC and Mark is going to move forward with the Amber-specific widgets and we'll stick with the applications css that works with the master fedora CSS since I think we agreed following that model is the right way to do things. The general model we're thinking of following is this: fedora main master css + fedora applications css + your amber css = amber css fedora main master css + fedora application css + my fedora css = my fedora css fedora main master css + fedora application css + fas css = FAS css Also we both agreed to use this list as our main communication channel as to avoid some of the miscommunications that happened before! :) ~m From asgeirf at redhat.com Wed Aug 20 01:27:57 2008 From: asgeirf at redhat.com (Asgeir Frimannsson) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:27:57 +1000 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <48AB184E.5030408@fedoraproject.org> References: <6e24a8e80808191112n494a04d6pbca4b5b319c715c4@mail.gmail.com> <48AB184E.5030408@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200808201127.57726.asgeirf@redhat.com> On Wednesday 20 August 2008 05:00:30 M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Mark wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:38 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/My%20Fedora/html/ > >> > >> It inherits from the existing fedoraproject.org css which i think is > >> important... > > > > My version was first inheriting from fedoraproject as well bus is now > > made from scratch because the left menu was hard to give a background > > using the existing style.css from fp. > > Mine does inherit from the fedoraproject.org master CSS and has the tabs. > > > @Karsten 'quaid' Wade > > And (again) for amber. The frame around the amber layout is gonna be > > generic for all of fedora (or that's the idea) and that's what you can > > see live now at: http://amber.mageprojects.com/ the only thing i have > > to finish there before the frame is done is the left menu. the rest is > > about done for the generic frame. > > > > And this is how it should look when i'm done for amber: > > http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_apps.png > > So I'm working on the basic layout including the tabs on the left, which > came out of the my fedora design: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MyFedora/Mockups Just a humble drive-by comment here, and let me first point at that I am a developer, not a designer: I'm wondering if the left-side tabs are taking too much prime real-estate on the page? I'm guessing many of our users are still on 1024x768 screens, and the tabbed menu steal much of the attention and space on the page. Contrast this with e.g. http://l10n.gnome.org/ where the black bar on top provides a non-intrusive way of jumping between applications (sadly, this theme is not followed through in other gnome sites though..). I think the point I'm trying to make is that the overall theme that the applications plug into shouldn't steal the attention or real-estate away from the real use of the page. Does this make sense? cheers, asgeir > We don't have those little teaser boxes for applications though so maybe > if you can do the styling for those we can include it? > > I'm really worried about duplication of efforts here. And we definitely > should not be throwing away all the work done on the fpo master > stylesheet and re-doing it either. > > > But now that i saw the post of M?ir?n.. which one is gonna be used as > > the default frame for fedora and it's sub domains? mine or M?ir?n's? > > (i really need to participate in the next meeting) mailed as a cc to > > Robin Norwood in the hope that he can give his opinion about this as > > well. > > ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 20 01:42:43 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:42:43 -0400 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <200808201127.57726.asgeirf@redhat.com> References: <6e24a8e80808191112n494a04d6pbca4b5b319c715c4@mail.gmail.com> <48AB184E.5030408@fedoraproject.org> <200808201127.57726.asgeirf@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48AB7693.6010109@fedoraproject.org> Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > I'm wondering if the left-side tabs are taking too much prime real-estate on > the page? The original mockups for Fedora applications including the tabs were designed for 800x600. I think 1024x768 is a more realistic standard these days. Since the design works fine in 800x600 I am not too worried. They are on the left side, because especially in cases of i18n, things can get long and if you have horizontal tabs, it really limits how many total tabs you can have. If the tabs run vertically and their labels can line wrap, then you can have more tabs as the number of tabs grows vertically which is pretty much limitless (although of course you don't want ridiculous numbers of tabs.) I've worked on a couple of web apps where the main nav was horizontal tabs across the top, and it did cause a lot of problems as we ran out of space a few times and had to completely readjust and shuffle things around to stick to only the 6-7 items that would fit horizontally across. > I think the point I'm trying to make is that the overall theme that the > applications plug into shouldn't steal the attention or real-estate away from > the real use of the page. Does this make sense? It makes sense, and although I don't agree that they steal attention inappropriately, there are ways of toning down the tabs if it does become an issue. Fair enough, because these designs haven't been tested on users yet. It sounds like your concern is more for the visual treatment of the tabs than their placement, and the visual treatment can certainly be tweaked somewhat. If you have suggestions let's talk through them. ~m From asgeirf at redhat.com Wed Aug 20 02:21:44 2008 From: asgeirf at redhat.com (Asgeir Frimannsson) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:21:44 +1000 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <48AB7693.6010109@fedoraproject.org> References: <200808201127.57726.asgeirf@redhat.com> <48AB7693.6010109@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200808201221.44331.asgeirf@redhat.com> On Wednesday 20 August 2008 11:42:43 M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > > I'm wondering if the left-side tabs are taking too much prime real-estate > > on the page? > > The original mockups for Fedora applications including the tabs were > designed for 800x600. I think 1024x768 is a more realistic standard > these days. Since the design works fine in 800x600 I am not too worried. > > They are on the left side, because especially in cases of i18n, things > can get long and if you have horizontal tabs, it really limits how many > total tabs you can have. If the tabs run vertically and their labels can > line wrap, then you can have more tabs as the number of tabs grows > vertically which is pretty much limitless (although of course you don't > want ridiculous numbers of tabs.) > > I've worked on a couple of web apps where the main nav was horizontal > tabs across the top, and it did cause a lot of problems as we ran out of > space a few times and had to completely readjust and shuffle things > around to stick to only the 6-7 items that would fit horizontally across. > > > I think the point I'm trying to make is that the overall theme that the > > applications plug into shouldn't steal the attention or real-estate away > > from the real use of the page. Does this make sense? > > It makes sense, and although I don't agree that they steal attention > inappropriately, there are ways of toning down the tabs if it does > become an issue. Fair enough, because these designs haven't been tested > on users yet. It sounds like your concern is more for the visual > treatment of the tabs than their placement, and the visual treatment can > certainly be tweaked somewhat. If you have suggestions let's talk > through them. I was more thinking of this from a development point-of-view. The tabs do eat space that could be better used for the main functionality of the application. I'm thinking of this in terms of the L10N infrastructure specifically, where we do need as much horizontal space as possible for the main application (e.g. translation statistics, transifex submission, online translation)... I would limit the overall 'theme' to a smaller and less intrusive 'frame' of the application, e.g. how Google separates its' services (horizontal <20px bar on top). I do really like the overall theme of the page though :) But again, I totally agree with you, I do have developer goggles on, and user- based testing would be a better approach to determining this:) cheers, asgeir From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 20 02:36:23 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:36:23 -0400 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <200808201221.44331.asgeirf@redhat.com> References: <200808201127.57726.asgeirf@redhat.com> <48AB7693.6010109@fedoraproject.org> <200808201221.44331.asgeirf@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48AB8327.2090707@fedoraproject.org> Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > > I was more thinking of this from a development point-of-view. The tabs do eat > space that could be better used for the main functionality of the application. > I'm thinking of this in terms of the L10N infrastructure specifically, where we > do need as much horizontal space as possible for the main application (e.g. > translation statistics, transifex submission, online translation)... I would > limit the overall 'theme' to a smaller and less intrusive 'frame' of the > application, e.g. how Google separates its' services (horizontal <20px bar on > top). I do really like the overall theme of the page though :) Seriously? Out of a 1024 pixel wide screen, that sidebar takes up less than 200 px. That gives the main content area 80% of the horizontal width of the screen which seems a quite reasonable ratio to me. You do need SOME whitespace on the screen. Cramming information into every last bit of space is not as efficient as it might seem at first glance, especially in a complicated application interface where you risk overwhelming the user with data. You wouldn't worry more about having 8 tabs horizontally across the top, their German translations making the last two or three tabs scroll horizotnally or jump down the next row? I don't think i18n is really a good justification for your stance here. ~m From asgeirf at redhat.com Wed Aug 20 03:12:27 2008 From: asgeirf at redhat.com (Asgeir Frimannsson) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:12:27 +1000 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <48AB8327.2090707@fedoraproject.org> References: <200808201221.44331.asgeirf@redhat.com> <48AB8327.2090707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200808201312.27216.asgeirf@redhat.com> On Wednesday 20 August 2008 12:36:23 M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > > I was more thinking of this from a development point-of-view. The tabs do > > eat space that could be better used for the main functionality of the > > application. I'm thinking of this in terms of the L10N infrastructure > > specifically, where we do need as much horizontal space as possible for > > the main application (e.g. translation statistics, transifex submission, > > online translation)... I would limit the overall 'theme' to a smaller and > > less intrusive 'frame' of the application, e.g. how Google separates its' > > services (horizontal <20px bar on top). I do really like the overall > > theme of the page though :) > > Seriously? Out of a 1024 pixel wide screen, that sidebar takes up less > than 200 px. That gives the main content area 80% of the horizontal > width of the screen which seems a quite reasonable ratio to me. You do > need SOME whitespace on the screen. Cramming information into every last > bit of space is not as efficient as it might seem at first glance, > especially in a complicated application interface where you risk > overwhelming the user with data. Overwhelming the user is my main concern, yes. Using the extra 200 px for an application-based menu/toolbox/help-view, rather than cramming it in the remaining 80%, would be much more favorable than 'wasting' it on a sub-optimal global navigation. > You wouldn't worry more about having 8 tabs horizontally across the top, > their German translations making the last two or three tabs scroll > horizotnally or jump down the next row? I don't think i18n is really a > good justification for your stance here. That depends on how dominant this menu is on the page. To me, a global navigation on a site like fpo should be clearly visible, but also easily 'ignorable' when working within a specific application. For example, google.com has 12 Items in its' global menu (7 navigation, 5 other) when logged in, and is localised in many languages, including German (which naturally takes more space). If the target is a site where the global navigation is a dominant element of the page, then yes, I see your point, and having these tabs horizontally wouldn't be feasible. But if the target is a Fedora themed 'frame' for applications to inherit, with a non-intrusive global navigation, then I think the proposal is a bit off target, and a smaller horizontal global navigation would be a better option. That's my 2 cents. cheers, asgeir From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 20 12:33:02 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:33:02 -0400 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <200808201312.27216.asgeirf@redhat.com> References: <200808201221.44331.asgeirf@redhat.com> <48AB8327.2090707@fedoraproject.org> <200808201312.27216.asgeirf@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48AC0EFE.1020404@fedoraproject.org> Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > Overwhelming the user is my main concern, yes. Using the extra 200 px for an > application-based menu/toolbox/help-view, rather than cramming it in the > remaining 80%, would be much more favorable than 'wasting' it on a sub-optimal > global navigation. You know, this all sounds well and good, but means absolutely nothing without user feedback and testing of the specific designs we are discussing. Of which we have nothing to back either of our claims as mentioned earlier. >> You wouldn't worry more about having 8 tabs horizontally across the top, >> their German translations making the last two or three tabs scroll >> horizotnally or jump down the next row? I don't think i18n is really a >> good justification for your stance here. > > That depends on how dominant this menu is on the page. To me, a global > navigation on a site like fpo should be clearly visible, but also easily > 'ignorable' when working within a specific application. For example, google.com > has 12 Items in its' global menu (7 navigation, 5 other) when logged in, and > is localised in many languages, including German (which naturally takes more > space). The Google.com bar you mention is for global naviation between separate Google.com applications, not for navigation within a single application. Remember that this navigation bar is not meant for global navigation between sites or even between separate applications, as I said before it is for navigation within a single application. I know quite well the arguments against global navigation and I also do not think they apply here as this is not a global navigation bar. To navigation between various Fedora applications and sites it's been proposed to have a customizable, very small bar (~40px tall) at the top or even bottom of the screen to point to other applications very much in the style of the Google.com bar you mentioned. > > If the target is a site where the global navigation is a dominant element of > the page, then yes, I see your point, and having these tabs horizontally > wouldn't be feasible. But if the target is a Fedora themed 'frame' for > applications to inherit, with a non-intrusive global navigation, then I think > the proposal is a bit off target, and a smaller horizontal global navigation > would be a better option. That's my 2 cents. I think you've made an incorrect assumption about how the navigation bar is meant to be used. It's not global navigation, as I mentioned earlier in the thread it's for various areas within a single application. There is no global naviation in the mockups I've posted. Re your 2 cents, you seem extremely interested in this. Would you mind making some mockups and designs as alternative proposals? I think that might be a lot more helpful than a long mailing list thread. I've spent the past month or so making mine. Can you invest that kind of time into this project? Because we are always looking for new websites team contributors. Our meetings are every Monday evening Eastern time, depending on the week 4 pm ET (next week) or 6 PM et (week after... it alternates) I am happy that we are having discussions about the design on the list but at the same time I have seen time and time again discussions like this to put a destructive stop to a project making forward progress, and I would prefer to see this project get to the first major milestone and improve it from that point based on actual user feedback rather than just talk about design decisions that were made two months ago because I think that's a better way to make sure that this project doesn't get abandoned. ~m From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 13:26:06 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:26:06 +0200 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <48AB2C11.4000505@fedoraproject.org> References: <6e24a8e80808190939p6bf209c4uee5efde2fe58f743@mail.gmail.com> <48AB050B.8050502@fedoraproject.org> <6e24a8e80808191112n494a04d6pbca4b5b319c715c4@mail.gmail.com> <1219170937.7342.63.camel@calliope.phig.org> <6e24a8e80808191152t52951002yb4bf3f963d2cc0b1@mail.gmail.com> <48AB19EB.7040506@fedoraproject.org> <48AB2C11.4000505@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80808200626k69caa6b2pb0ae5c70d805cca7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:24 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> i don't really think it is so important how we got into this situation, >> more importantly how will we resolve this. And I don't think throwing away >> and redoing the master fpo css is the answer. > > Just for everyone's benefit, Mark and I discussed this on IRC and Mark is > going to move forward with the Amber-specific widgets and we'll stick with > the applications css that works with the master fedora CSS since I think we > agreed following that model is the right way to do things. > > The general model we're thinking of following is this: > > fedora main master css + fedora applications css + your amber css = amber > css > fedora main master css + fedora application css + my fedora css = my fedora > css > fedora main master css + fedora application css + fas css = FAS css > > Also we both agreed to use this list as our main communication channel as to > avoid some of the miscommunications that happened before! :) > > ~m > > Fully agreed on all. I will post my amber related updates here on this list. From asgeirf at redhat.com Wed Aug 20 21:57:01 2008 From: asgeirf at redhat.com (Asgeir Frimannsson) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:57:01 +1000 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <48AC0EFE.1020404@fedoraproject.org> References: <200808201312.27216.asgeirf@redhat.com> <48AC0EFE.1020404@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200808210757.01869.asgeirf@redhat.com> On Wednesday 20 August 2008 22:33:02 M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > > Overwhelming the user is my main concern, yes. Using the extra 200 px for > > an application-based menu/toolbox/help-view, rather than cramming it in > > the remaining 80%, would be much more favorable than 'wasting' it on a > > sub-optimal global navigation. > > You know, this all sounds well and good, but means absolutely nothing > without user feedback and testing of the specific designs we are > discussing. Of which we have nothing to back either of our claims as > mentioned earlier. > > >> You wouldn't worry more about having 8 tabs horizontally across the top, > >> their German translations making the last two or three tabs scroll > >> horizotnally or jump down the next row? I don't think i18n is really a > >> good justification for your stance here. > > > > That depends on how dominant this menu is on the page. To me, a global > > navigation on a site like fpo should be clearly visible, but also easily > > 'ignorable' when working within a specific application. For example, > > google.com has 12 Items in its' global menu (7 navigation, 5 other) when > > logged in, and is localised in many languages, including German (which > > naturally takes more space). > > The Google.com bar you mention is for global naviation between separate > Google.com applications, not for navigation within a single application. > > Remember that this navigation bar is not meant for global navigation > between sites or even between separate applications, as I said before it > is for navigation within a single application. I know quite well the > arguments against global navigation and I also do not think they apply > here as this is not a global navigation bar. To navigation between > various Fedora applications and sites it's been proposed to have a > customizable, very small bar (~40px tall) at the top or even bottom of > the screen to point to other applications very much in the style of the > Google.com bar you mentioned. That makes more sense now. From the discussion, I had in my head that the left-navigation is the one to navigate between various applications (FAS,L10N,planet etc..), and the top tabs for the individual application (similar to how it is on many existing fpo sites). And that was the basis of my comments. > > If the target is a site where the global navigation is a dominant element > > of the page, then yes, I see your point, and having these tabs > > horizontally wouldn't be feasible. But if the target is a Fedora themed > > 'frame' for applications to inherit, with a non-intrusive global > > navigation, then I think the proposal is a bit off target, and a smaller > > horizontal global navigation would be a better option. That's my 2 cents. > > I think you've made an incorrect assumption about how the navigation bar > is meant to be used. It's not global navigation, as I mentioned earlier > in the thread it's for various areas within a single application. There > is no global naviation in the mockups I've posted. That makes sense now that you say it. > Re your 2 cents, you seem extremely interested in this. I was simply commenting on an issue that annoys me we the current websites (e.g. translate.fpo), and from the mockup it seemed that the issue was still there, so I thought spending 1 minute submitting a friendly report in that direction would be useful. Now that you say there is a global navigation bar planned as well, your design makes perfect sense, and is indeed a very good one. > Would you mind > making some mockups and designs as alternative proposals? I think that > might be a lot more helpful than a long mailing list thread. I've spent > the past month or so making mine. Can you invest that kind of time into > this project? Because we are always looking for new websites team > contributors. Our meetings are every Monday evening Eastern time, > depending on the week 4 pm ET (next week) or 6 PM et (week after... it > alternates) > > I am happy that we are having discussions about the design on the list > but at the same time I have seen time and time again discussions like > this to put a destructive stop to a project making forward progress, and > I would prefer to see this project get to the first major milestone and > improve it from that point based on actual user feedback rather than > just talk about design decisions that were made two months ago because I > think that's a better way to make sure that this project doesn't get > abandoned. No, I will not make a mockup, because mine would look like a site from the nineties at best. I am perfectly happy with your proposal now that it is in the context of another 'global navigation' on top/bottom, and would really like to commend the great work and effort being done on this. It will be great to have a design like this for infrastructure apps :) /me puts in his todo list to dig into the archives to search for the discussion on global navigation :) cheers, asgeir From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Aug 21 02:00:14 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:00:14 -0400 Subject: meeting minutes from last night In-Reply-To: <200808210757.01869.asgeirf@redhat.com> References: <200808201312.27216.asgeirf@redhat.com> <48AC0EFE.1020404@fedoraproject.org> <200808210757.01869.asgeirf@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48ACCC2E.8060307@fedoraproject.org> Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > That makes more sense now. From the discussion, I had in my head that the > left-navigation is the one to navigate between various applications > (FAS,L10N,planet etc..), and the top tabs for the individual application > (similar to how it is on many existing fpo sites). And that was the basis of > my comments. No, although I could see how it could be confusing in that way. The particular mockup I've been working on is for the My Fedora application. So the tabs on the left are meant for the different areas of that app. Apps like Koji and Bodhi would use that left nav for the various areas of those apps respectively. The point that might have been confusing is that the CSS/template is meant to be used for each app individually, not to link all the apps together in one frame! :) > I was simply commenting on an issue that annoys me we the current websites > (e.g. translate.fpo), and from the mockup it seemed that the issue was still > there, so I thought spending 1 minute submitting a friendly report in that > direction would be useful. Now that you say there is a global navigation bar > planned as well, your design makes perfect sense, and is indeed a very good > one. Phew. Thank you so much for your patience with me and I'm really sorry for any miscommunication on my part. > No, I will not make a mockup, because mine would look like a site from the > nineties at best. I am perfectly happy with your proposal now that it is in > the context of another 'global navigation' on top/bottom, and would really > like to commend the great work and effort being done on this. It will be great > to have a design like this for infrastructure apps :) That's very nice of you to say, thanks again :) > > /me puts in his todo list to dig into the archives to search for the > discussion on global navigation :) Most recently I know someone posted a mockup of the global nav bar on my blog, http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58834.html?thread=296914#t296914 (But it doesn't look like his mockup is up anymore. ) But having a thin navigation bar at the top of fpo sites is something I remember discussing at Boston FUDCon two years ago. After a cursory search I haven't been able to find the thread but it was a long while ago. :( There were several versions of mockups floating around too. When we did the original redesign of fedoraproject.org, the intent was that on fedoraproject.org the bar would be the way it is now, thin with no content, and then other fpo related web properties could have a global nav like the google.com one you mentioned, and potentially with a global search. I think maybe some of these topics are worth bringing up on the list in more detail so I'm hoping to do so in the coming week. I've recently had a lot more time to work on Fedora websites along with my teammate Eve so we do need to do a nice writeup of the work we've been doing with respect to the My Fedora project and also discuss some of our ideas/goal openly here. Thanks again for your feedback and patience with me :) ~m From a.badger at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 14:57:30 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:57:30 -0700 Subject: CMS focus and scope In-Reply-To: <1219173875.7342.71.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1219173875.7342.71.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <48AD825A.9070503@gmail.com> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > I just posted an update > > http://iquaid.org/2008/08/19/fedora-cms-focus-and-scope/ > > ... which I reposted below[1]. > > Here is the task's project page: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites > > The schedule currently allows a long time (~1 month) for scoping and > vetting solutions, then another few weeks for installing a version to > test as a replacement for docs.fp.o. Just a note: I'm serious about evaluating the security/security-mindedness of the CMS (and its community). In the past we have had to turn mod_security and selinux off while fixing problems. We should not be relying on these to supply our security, instead we should be using them to supplement the security that the existing system enforces. Please be sure to look into this aspect before setting your heart on one or another of the CMS's in your evaluation. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My thanks to Karsten for doing some clean-up on that page. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks --Max From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Aug 25 16:40:51 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:40:51 -0400 Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B2E093.2000201@fedoraproject.org> Max Spevack wrote: > Hi all, > > I won't be at tonight's websites meeting, but I wanted to send out a > reminder and ask for one or two of the Websites regulars to step up and > lead the meeting. > > #fedora-websites @ 20:00 UTC I was wondering if there is anyway we could standardize the meeting time? I wonder if staggering it has lead to more people who would actually attend not being able to attend (due to confusion over what time it is this week or other obligations). ~m From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Aug 25 16:46:33 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: <48B2E093.2000201@fedoraproject.org> References: <48B2E093.2000201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I was wondering if there is anyway we could standardize the meeting > time? I wonder if staggering it has lead to more people who would > actually attend not being able to attend (due to confusion over what > time it is this week or other obligations). I would love to standardize the meeting time, but the last few times I brought this up, it was voted down due to too many timezone differences. Maybe we can split the difference and just have it at 21:00 UTC every week, instead of alternating between 20:00 and 22:00? --Max From d137 at abv.bg Sat Aug 16 06:46:42 2008 From: d137 at abv.bg (Widen-Damian Ivanov) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:46:42 +0300 (EEST) Subject: download link i686/i386 live media Message-ID: <217844988.72393.1218869202241.JavaMail.apache@mail21.abv.bg> The download link for the live media's show to download it via torrent for i386 but I thought the live CD's are only available for i686 (However when I try to dl it I get the only one available i686) Thanks to the Fedora Project Best regards Viden-Damian Ivanov From bennet at umich.edu Tue Aug 19 19:08:45 2008 From: bennet at umich.edu (Bennet Fauber) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Broken link Message-ID: On the page at http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora the link to "See all mirrors" (which points to http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ ) returns Not Found The requested URL /mirrorlists/publiclist//Fedora/9/ was not found on this server. as do the following http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/ http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/ http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/ Maybe I'm missing something really obvious...? -- bennet -- Mathematics Department University of Michigan (734) 763-6521 From bh at cs.berkeley.edu Sat Aug 23 19:18:52 2008 From: bh at cs.berkeley.edu (Brian Harvey) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:18:52 -0700 Subject: bottom of page unreadable Message-ID: <1219519132.13897.4.camel@abbenay.cs.berkeley.edu> I'm trying to read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F9Common#My_Bug_Is_Not_Listed (although I'm guessing other pages have the same layout) in Firefox with minimum font size set to 16. Right after the "websites team" mailto link near the bottom, there's a thick horizontal bar, not quite the width of the window, covering the line "The Fedora Project is ..." And then I can see the "Red Hat is not responsible" to the bottom. Setting my minimum text size to "none" fixes it, but then I can't read any of it (farsighted). Also, the text under "My bug isn't here" promises a link to Bugzilla at the bottom, and I can't find one. From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Aug 25 16:58:29 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:58:29 -0400 Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: References: <48B2E093.2000201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48B2E4B5.1090306@fedoraproject.org> Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> I was wondering if there is anyway we could standardize the meeting >> time? I wonder if staggering it has lead to more people who would >> actually attend not being able to attend (due to confusion over what >> time it is this week or other obligations). > > I would love to standardize the meeting time, but the last few times I > brought this up, it was voted down due to too many timezone differences. > > Maybe we can split the difference and just have it at 21:00 UTC every > week, instead of alternating between 20:00 and 22:00? I could actually make it every week if it was at that time. What do others think? ~m From kwade at redhat.com Mon Aug 25 17:04:20 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:04:20 -0700 Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: References: <48B2E093.2000201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1219683860.4924.17.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 18:46 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > I was wondering if there is anyway we could standardize the meeting > > time? I wonder if staggering it has lead to more people who would > > actually attend not being able to attend (due to confusion over what > > time it is this week or other obligations). > > I would love to standardize the meeting time, but the last few times I > brought this up, it was voted down due to too many timezone differences. > > Maybe we can split the difference and just have it at 21:00 UTC every > week, instead of alternating between 20:00 and 22:00? IIRC, that would knock out both groups of people who were served by the split time. I recall transit between locations being a primary situation. This is a perennial problem, with each group beating on it every time they want to set a meeting. I'm wondering what else we can try or offer in the pool if ideas? * Meet twice a week at two different times (and days), then synthesize the meetings via mailing list. * Have one meeting that goes extra long (we tried this in Docs to a limited success.) * Introduce voice so that people who are in transit without Internet can call in and participate. ... ? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wonder if staggering it has lead to more people who would >>> actually attend not being able to attend (due to confusion over what >>> time it is this week or other obligations). >> I would love to standardize the meeting time, but the last few times I >> brought this up, it was voted down due to too many timezone differences. >> >> Maybe we can split the difference and just have it at 21:00 UTC every >> week, instead of alternating between 20:00 and 22:00? > > IIRC, that would knock out both groups of people who were served by the > split time. I recall transit between locations being a primary > situation. Are you sure? I know I am sitting on a bus at 22:00 UTC but I wasn't aware of anyone else who had transit issues? > > This is a perennial problem, with each group beating on it every time > they want to set a meeting. I'm wondering what else we can try or offer > in the pool if ideas? Are the folks driving the 22:00 UTC time showing up? Can they tolerate 21:00 instead? Can any of these folks reading the thread right now help us figure this out? > * Introduce voice so that people who are in transit without Internet can > call in and participate. This wouldn't work for me as I sit on a bus with many other people :( ~m From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 17:34:17 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:34:17 -0500 Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: <48B2E4B5.1090306@fedoraproject.org> References: <48B2E093.2000201@fedoraproject.org> <48B2E4B5.1090306@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48B2ED19.8030809@gmail.com> ? wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: >> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >>> I was wondering if there is anyway we could standardize the meeting >>> time? I wonder if staggering it has lead to more people who would >>> actually attend not being able to attend (due to confusion over what >>> time it is this week or other obligations). >> >> I would love to standardize the meeting time, but the last few times >> I brought this up, it was voted down due to too many timezone >> differences. >> >> Maybe we can split the difference and just have it at 21:00 UTC every >> week, instead of alternating between 20:00 and 22:00? > > I could actually make it every week if it was at that time. What do > others think? > > ~m > works for me no matter what time we go with. -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net From kwade at redhat.com Mon Aug 25 18:10:22 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:10:22 -0700 Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: <48B2E9FF.9050804@fedoraproject.org> References: <48B2E093.2000201@fedoraproject.org> <1219683860.4924.17.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48B2E9FF.9050804@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1219687822.4924.27.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 13:21 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > > IIRC, that would knock out both groups of people who were served by the > > split time. I recall transit between locations being a primary > > situation. > > Are you sure? I know I am sitting on a bus at 22:00 UTC but I wasn't > aware of anyone else who had transit issues? I'm probably recalling just that and applying it in other instances. Perhaps a regular review that the meeting time continues to work for everyone (once-a-quarter check-in?) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Right after the "websites team" mailto > link near the bottom, there's a thick horizontal bar, not quite the > width of the window, covering the line "The Fedora Project is ..." > > And then I can see the "Red Hat is not responsible" to the bottom. > Setting my minimum text size to "none" fixes it, but then I can't read > any of it (farsighted). > > Also, the text under "My bug isn't here" promises a link to Bugzilla at > the bottom, and I can't find one. Can you provide screenshots of the issue? Which version of Firefox? What operating system? Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Aug 25 18:21:58 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:51:58 +0530 Subject: Broken link In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B2F846.3010707@fedoraproject.org> Bennet Fauber wrote: > On the page at > > http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora > > the link to "See all mirrors" (which points to > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ > ) returns > > Not Found > > The requested URL /mirrorlists/publiclist//Fedora/9/ was not found > on this server. > > as do the following > > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/ > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/ > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/ > > Maybe I'm missing something really obvious...? All of these work fine here. Please check again. Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Aug 25 18:54:37 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:54:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: <48B2E9FF.9050804@fedoraproject.org> References: <48B2E093.2000201@fedoraproject.org> <1219683860.4924.17.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48B2E9FF.9050804@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Are the folks driving the 22:00 UTC time showing up? Can they tolerate > 21:00 instead? Can any of these folks reading the thread right now > help us figure this out? We had a small, but productive meeting at 22:00 last week. I won't be at this week's 20:00 meeting, but we'll see how it goes... --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Aug 25 18:55:28 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:55:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > #fedora-websites @ 20:00 UTC > > Our tasklist has fractured into the "current stuff that is actually > being worked on" and the "older stuff that is sort of in hibernation". > My thanks to Karsten for doing some clean-up on that page. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks Bringing this thread back to tonight, is someone willing to take the leadership reins and continue the refreshing of our tasks list, and progress checks on our most important items? --Max From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Aug 25 19:12:11 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:12:11 +0100 Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1219691531.2941.0.camel@Adam> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 20:55 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > > > #fedora-websites @ 20:00 UTC > > > > Our tasklist has fractured into the "current stuff that is actually > > being worked on" and the "older stuff that is sort of in hibernation". > > My thanks to Karsten for doing some clean-up on that page. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks > > Bringing this thread back to tonight, is someone willing to take the > leadership reins and continue the refreshing of our tasks list, and > progress checks on our most important items? I would usually be happy to, but I'm heading out with friends in about 10 minutes! Sorry to bail out tonight... Jon From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 20:38:39 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:38:39 -0500 Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: <48B2E4B5.1090306@fedoraproject.org> References: <48B2E093.2000201@fedoraproject.org> <48B2E4B5.1090306@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080825203839.GA20102@gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:58:29PM -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ wrote: > I could actually make it every week if it was at that time. What do > others think? > Yes. 21:00 UTC is go for me :) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there/should there be one organizing entity that is responsible for: * Knowing about all web app projects * Keeping track of them * Being the project for web app developers to "join" so they can contribute to Fedora's web presence * Ensuring resources are shared, wheels are not needlessly reinvented * Coordinating the collaboration * Letting others know about them * Putting them on a big to-do list somewhere Is that entity Websites? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll deal! ~m From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 26 17:09:16 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:09:16 -0700 Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1219770556.4924.55.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 20:55 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > > > #fedora-websites @ 20:00 UTC > > > > Our tasklist has fractured into the "current stuff that is actually > > being worked on" and the "older stuff that is sort of in hibernation". > > My thanks to Karsten for doing some clean-up on that page. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks > > Bringing this thread back to tonight, is someone willing to take the > leadership reins and continue the refreshing of our tasks list, and > progress checks on our most important items? It was done, in an ad hoc fashion. Ian was going to follow-up with the IRC log to this list. Did everyone get their tasks updated? Then I had started a discussion that resulted my question to this list about the Websites mission. :) -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 26 17:11:39 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:11:39 -0700 Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: <48B32C48.3040800@fedoraproject.org> References: <48B2E093.2000201@fedoraproject.org> <48B2E4B5.1090306@fedoraproject.org> <20080825203839.GA20102@gmail.com> <48B32C48.3040800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1219770699.4924.59.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 18:03 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:58:29PM -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ wrote: > >> I could actually make it every week if it was at that time. What do > >> others think? > >> > > Yes. 21:00 UTC is go for me :) > > Sigh, well now I feel horrible. 21:00 doesn't work for me either cuz I > have a standing 4:30-5:30 that I forgot about. Sorry if I'm not calculating right, but would it work for you to do your meeting then dip in for the last 1/2 of the Websites meeting? Another option that isn't often used is to actually run a meeting from N:30 to N+1:30. I'm comfie with that, especially if we use our own irc channel so's not to impact on da rhythm of #fedora-meeting. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What do >>>> others think? >>>> >>> Yes. 21:00 UTC is go for me :) >> Sigh, well now I feel horrible. 21:00 doesn't work for me either cuz I >> have a standing 4:30-5:30 that I forgot about. > > Sorry if I'm not calculating right, but would it work for you to do your > meeting then dip in for the last 1/2 of the Websites meeting? Nope it usually goes 4:30 straight to 6 ET. (where 4 = 20 UTC and 6 = 22 UTC) > > Another option that isn't often used is to actually run a meeting from > N:30 to N+1:30. I'm comfie with that, especially if we use our own irc > channel so's not to impact on da rhythm of #fedora-meeting. The only time in the 20-22 block that works for me on mondays is 20, no halfsies unfortunately :( ~m From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 20:27:21 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: websites meeting, aug 25th In-Reply-To: <1219770556.4924.55.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1219770556.4924.55.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20080826202721.GA18694@gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:09:16AM -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Ian was going to follow-up with the IRC log to this list. > Here ya go. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Websites_IRC_log_20080825 -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Bennet Fauber wrote: > On the page at > > http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora > > the link to "See all mirrors" (which points to > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ > ) returns > > Not Found > > The requested URL /mirrorlists/publiclist//Fedora/9/ was not found > on this server. > > as do the following > > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/ > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/ > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/ > > Maybe I'm missing something really obvious...? > > -- bennet > -- > Mathematics Department > University of Michigan > (734) 763-6521 > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > -- "I am only one but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do something I can do" Anand +919850034560 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bh at cs.berkeley.edu Mon Aug 25 18:51:16 2008 From: bh at cs.berkeley.edu (Brian Harvey) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:51:16 -0700 Subject: bottom of page unreadable In-Reply-To: <48B2F811.4020401@fedoraproject.org> References: <1219519132.13897.4.camel@abbenay.cs.berkeley.edu> <48B2F811.4020401@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48B2FF24.20807@cs.berkeley.edu> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Can you provide screenshots of the issue? Which version of Firefox? What > operating system? Firefox 2.0.0.16, Fedora 9, screenshot attached. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was then able to reinstall these packages: yum install authconfig firstboot-tui authconfig-gtk firstboot So I would add a note to the FAQ suggesting removing all of those packages before the upgrade, and reinstalling the subset that still exist in Fedora 7 after the upgrade. I would also have the note mention that "Missing Dependency: python(abi)" error explicitly, so that people who see it will know what it's about and what to do. -- Cos From jheisel at gmx.net Tue Aug 26 12:08:12 2008 From: jheisel at gmx.net (Juergen Heisel) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:08:12 +0200 Subject: Link: http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ not found Message-ID: <48B3F22C.40403@gmx.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What I needed to do was: > > rpm -e rhnlib up2date 4Suite authconfig firstboot-tui authconfig-gtk firstboot system-config-boot > > That got rid of all the packages that triggerred the python(abi) > dependency, allowing me to do a yum update and reboot into Fedora 7. > > I was then able to reinstall these packages: > yum install authconfig firstboot-tui authconfig-gtk firstboot > > So I would add a note to the FAQ suggesting removing all of those > packages before the upgrade, and reinstalling the subset that still > exist in Fedora 7 after the upgrade. I would also have the note > mention that "Missing Dependency: python(abi)" error explicitly, so > that people who see it will know what it's about and what to do. Would you mind signing up for a Fedora account and doing the edit yourself? It hardly takes more than a few mins. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ You can use the Fedora account to sign in and edit the wiki. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 27 05:03:46 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:33:46 +0530 Subject: Link: http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ not found In-Reply-To: <48B3F22C.40403@gmx.net> References: <48B3F22C.40403@gmx.net> Message-ID: <48B4E032.7000900@fedoraproject.org> Juergen Heisel wrote: > No more mirrors ? > > Regards > > Juergen > > > Not Found > > The requested URL /mirrorlists/publiclist//Fedora/9/ was not found on > this server. Seems to be working now. Please check again. Rahul From ylynfatt at flowja.com Wed Aug 27 05:41:39 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (Yannick Lyn Fatt) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:41:39 -0500 Subject: fp.o/contact In-Reply-To: <1219121503.6382.3.camel@baruch> References: <4897c7d1.11a.1f0d.1115299616@flowja.com> <20080805033422.GA18192@Max> <1219121503.6382.3.camel@baruch> Message-ID: <1219815699.20007.12.camel@baruch> On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 23:34 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2008-08-04 10:24:01 PM, ylynfatt wrote: > > I was taking a look at the Fedora Websites Page Request wiki > > page (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PageRequests) > > and noticed that the fp.o/contact page was listed. I was > > wondering if anyone had started/was currently working on > > that page and if it was still required? If it's still > > required and no one is currently working on it, I'd like to > > take this on as a start since I'm still fairly new. > Great! I don't think anybody's working on it at the moment, and we > could definitely still use the page. > > > >From the requirements and details I know we need contact > > info for end user support, legal issues, website issues and > > the apache test page. What other contacts are needed or what > > other questions do we get via the mailing list that are > > misdirected or off topic? > That sounds like a pretty complete list. Maybe we could add a contact > for mirror problems (is mirror-admin at fp.o the right address for those?) > > Thanks for taking this on, > Ricky Hey Ricky, I stumbled across this page on the wiki (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Contact) and noticed it had the email addresses for some contact persons for various inquiries. Should these be added to the fp.o/contact page and if so are the names mentioned here still the same persons that those inquiries should to be sent to? Also can anyone else confirm that the email address Ricky mentioned for mirror problems is the right address? Regards, Yannick ---------------- Okay I brought this up in Monday's meeting and so I'm just sending this out again to get some feedback from everyone else. I was supposed to be working on fp.o/contact, however, I came across a page on the wiki that already had some contacts (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Contact). In speaking with Ian and a few others at the meeting on monday, we were wondering if it made sense to continue with the fp.o/contact page or simply just redirect it to the wiki page and update that page instead. What do you think? Also can anyone confirm if the contacts on the wiki contact page are all still correct? Regards, Yannick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It looks like the bar is part of the the #footer. Can someone who knows the CSS take a look at this? I would have to reverse engineer it first before fixing. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I can get the bar to obscure text, but never as 'high' or 'far' up in the legalese; even though my font has been increased 5-6x and is clearly larger than the screen shot. And wow, the page really breaks with an increased font size, with regard to the lower right corner. The blue/black in that corner no longer align at all ... I think somehow it's the #footer's bottom-border: 10px ( the blue bar ), but I don't have a solution yet. Still looking, -- Craig From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Aug 28 18:30:30 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:30:30 -0400 Subject: My Fedora mockups Message-ID: <48B6EEC6.4000906@fedoraproject.org> Hey folks, I mentioned this briefly in the websites meeting earlier this week but I wanted to let you know about a project that myself, J5, lmacken, and Eve have been working on recently called My Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MyFedora From the wiki page: "my.fedoraproject.org is a project to integrate all of the Fedora infrastructure in one place. The goal is to create a modular web page in which each module would pull views from the various Fedora resources and display them to the user. It is a first step in implementing the goals laid out in this paper [1]. At first the web site would be geared towards Fedora development but could also handle upstream development resources and user community start pages. " So far, on the design front, Eve and I put together a set of mockups and a rough sitemap to show the flow of the pages: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MyFedora/Mockups I've also made some good progress towards some CSS to support the mockups, see: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/My%20Fedora/html/ As I mentioned in the last websites meeting, the css is structured like so: main fedora css (from www.fpo) => application chrome css => my fedora css I was thinking moving forward when we fedora-ify an application in our infrastructure, we could use the main fedora css => application chrome css and then any app-specific customizations could go in a stylesheet specific to that app. I'm writing the app chrome css such that it would be generic enough for that usage. It includes things like the tabs along the sides and the various widgets in the main content area. Let me know what you think! ~m [1] http://fedorapeople.org/~johnp/fedora_package_maint.pdf From onekopaka at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 19:54:09 2008 From: onekopaka at gmail.com (Darren VanBuren) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:54:09 -0700 Subject: Hello everyone! Message-ID: <20766C1E-CD62-49B9-851C-BBE49B4971F0@gmail.com> Hello, my name is Darren VanBuren. I chose to join this mailing list because I want to help open source projects, with my knowledge of web development. My main server-side programming experience is PHP. I run my own website from my own computer at http://oks.verymad.net/. My PGP key is on the MIT keyserver. I will not be able to make the even week meetings because I have school (I'm only 13) and I will miss the first 30 minutes of the meeting on odd weeks because of school as well. 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Thank you and let the music play -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, http://www.nihed.com Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa Association for Computing Machinery Member PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Aug 29 03:49:54 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:49:54 -0700 Subject: My Fedora mockups In-Reply-To: <48B6EEC6.4000906@fedoraproject.org> References: <48B6EEC6.4000906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1219981794.4924.437.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 14:30 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > main fedora css (from www.fpo) => application chrome css => my fedora css I'm going to show my design ignorance, but what is 'application chrome'? I'm reckoning it is either a term specific to a tool (such as Moz/XUL), or it's a way of saying, "The shiny stuff specific to this application that may not be used somewhere else." {Sitting on c-h, r-o-m-e } {Sipping brass monkey, Digga got the Remi } {Martin, I'm startin' to feel like I wanna } - Karsten . o O { ... } /me has got Masta Ace on the mind ... -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't worry, I've been caught out by this list plenty of times :) > email message attachment (Re: My Fedora mockups.eml) > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > From: M?ir?n Duffy > > To: Karsten 'quaid' Wade > > Subject: Re: My Fedora mockups > > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:05:14 -0400 > > -- Nigel Jones From a.badger at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 09:01:57 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:01:57 -0700 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0808281259u1ccaa03fgd3cc5147d2973866@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0808281259u1ccaa03fgd3cc5147d2973866@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B7BB05.2090608@gmail.com> nihed mbarek wrote: > Hi, > I am Nihed M'BAREK, Computer engineer at Tunisia, fedora ambassador, > developer and administrator of http://fedora-tunisia.org/ > I want to help with my competence on php, mysql, css and why not learn > more langage to help fedora to be up to date. > If you're interested in the html, css and design side of things, this is the right place! 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From rishikesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 29 15:12:18 2008 From: rishikesh at fedoraproject.org (Rishikesh Sharma) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:42:18 +0530 Subject: New Website Request Message-ID: <7cb778c60808290812n41db6c0eo315bfd61c77dff49@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I need a website as fedora-manipur.org . So, tell me what are the procedures for this. This will help me to promote fedora in my region as a fedora ambassador. I will put everything regarding my region. I also have some knowledge of web designing. So, i need support from all of you here. Thanks and Regards, Rishikesh Sharma Fedora Ambassador and Website Project. Imphal, Manipur, India. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From apocaliv at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 18:10:03 2008 From: apocaliv at hotmail.com (Alessio Santoro) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:10:03 +0000 Subject: introducing myself Message-ID: Hi fedora! I'm Alessio and i'm an Italian webmaster. I ask you now sorry for my bad english! I'm interesting to help the fedore project as a webmaster, developing the websites and administrating it. My experiences:I worked a freelance webmaster for 3 years (and i'm working now), developing many different websites from e-commerces to blogs. 90% of websites that i developed were in PHP/MySQL language. This is the first language that i learned and i used (and i use). I know also (basic) C/C++, HTML, Perl, Python. I'm not a designer!! :PI managed many websites (personal and company websites), i have a good experience with many opensource CMS like Wiki, PHPnuke, Joomla, osCommerce, OpenCommercio...and much more!I worked for 2 years (parallament to these) in the Domains and Hosting sector. I worked for 2 hosting companies as a PHP developer (first) and a System Administrator. I have a good expericence with Cpanel, Plesk panel and other server panels, linux systems (server), ssh and linux server applications (ftp, dns applications...). I used Fedora, CentOS, RedHat and Ubuntu as linux system. I have also a Windows experience (I used and i'm using Windows 2000, Windows ME, Windows XP and Windows Vista). I have also a little experience in the game developing sector. My fedora account username is apocaliv. I hope that i can help the fedora project and the fedora web group. I wait your answer. Best Regards _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Mail: il programma gratuito per gestire tutta la tua posta! http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From apocaliv at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 18:29:33 2008 From: apocaliv at hotmail.com (Alessio Santoro) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:29:33 +0000 Subject: introducing myself In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi fedora!I'm Alessio and i'm an Italian webmaster. I ask you now sorry for my bad english!I'm interesting to help the fedore project as a webmaster, developing the websites and administrating it.My experiences:I worked a freelance webmaster for 3 years (and i'm working now), developing many different websites from e-commerces to blogs. 90% of websites that i developed were in PHP/MySQL language. This is the first language that i learned and i used (and i use).I know also (basic) C/C++, HTML, Perl, Python. I'm not a designer!! :PI managed many websites (personal and company websites), i have a good experience with many opensource CMS like Wiki, PHPnuke, Joomla, osCommerce, OpenCommercio...and much more!I worked for 2 years (parallament to these) in the Domains and Hosting sector. I worked for 2 hosting companies as a PHP developer (first) and a System Administrator. I have a good expericence with Cpanel, Plesk panel and other server panels, linux systems (server), ssh and linux server applications (ftp, dns applications...).I used Fedora, CentOS, RedHat and Ubuntu as linux system. I have also a Windows experience (I used and i'm using Windows 2000, Windows ME, Windows XP and Windows Vista).I have also a little experience in the game developing sector.My fedora account username is apocaliv.I hope that i can help the fedora project and the fedora web group.I wait your answer.Best Regards Carica subito le tue foto! Metti on-line le foto delle tue vacanze! C'? Spaces! _________________________________________________________________ Sintonizzati su Messenger e accendi la TV! http://messengertv.msn.com/mkt/it-it/default.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juankprada at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 18:59:23 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:59:23 -0500 Subject: An apology to the fedora websites team Message-ID: I owe you all an apology for leaving things the way i did. Although it was never my intention things turned out this way and i couldn't keep working on the fedora website, specially on the get-fedora section as i commited. Thing is my job and my training is gettin all my time and right now i dont have any free time to spend on my passion (Fedora). It is a shame to me to recognize that right now im not the best person to rely on about the get-fedora section as i wont have the time right now to work on it, so i would like to ask for someone interested to keep working on this and maybe in a near future ill be back helping you all again. Sorry i didnt wrote this mail before and probably you all wondered where was I. I really dont have an excuse (maybe i was gwtting back home really tired and thats why i didnt bother myself to write this). Anyway thats all for now, Of course i'll try to be as updated as i can with the fedora websites progress but for now im afraid i cant keep working with all you So keep all the good work you all have been doing! regards Juan Camilo Prada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Aug 29 19:10:23 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:10:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: An apology to the fedora websites team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda wrote: > So keep all the good work you all have been doing! Thanks for the nice note. The nature of Fedora is that people's time comes and goes, and especially when you are a volunteer, any contributions that you make are valuable, and any time that you choose to give to Fedora is appreciated. Thank you for everything that you have done for us, and we'll see you around! --Max From a.badger at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 00:34:31 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:34:31 -0700 Subject: introducing myself In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B89597.9080208@gmail.com> Alessio Santoro wrote: > Hi fedora! > I'm Alessio and i'm an Italian webmaster. I ask you now sorry for my bad > english! > I'm interesting to help the fedore project as a webmaster, developing > the websites and administrating it. > My experiences: > I worked a freelance webmaster for 3 years (and i'm working now), > developing many different websites from e-commerces to blogs. > 90% of websites that i developed were in PHP/MySQL language. This is the > first language that i learned and i used (and i use). > I know also (basic) C/C++, HTML, Perl, Python. I'm not a designer!! :P > I managed many websites (personal and company websites), i have a good > experience with many opensource CMS like Wiki, PHPnuke, Joomla, > osCommerce, OpenCommercio...and much more! > I worked for 2 years (parallament to these) in the Domains and Hosting > sector. I worked for 2 hosting companies as a PHP developer (first) and > a System Administrator. I have a good expericence with Cpanel, Plesk > panel and other server panels, linux systems (server), ssh and linux > server applications (ftp, dns applications...). > I used Fedora, CentOS, RedHat and Ubuntu as linux system. I have also a > Windows experience (I used and i'm using Windows 2000, Windows ME, > Windows XP and Windows Vista). > I have also a little experience in the game developing sector. > > My fedora account username is apocaliv. > I hope that i can help the fedora project and the fedora web group. > I wait your answer. Hello Alessio! From your background I think you'll be straddling the line between fedora-websites and fedora-infrastructure. That's a good place to be as several of us can attest :-) We tend to use RHEL boxes for our servers and run a variety of open source software on them. mediawiki, nagios (moving to zabbix), trac, etc. If maintaining those is what you want to do, spending some time on fedora-infrastructure list and in #fedora-admin on irc.freenode.net will be informative. Go ahead and forward your introduction to that list so people know who you are there. Most of our in-house apps are written in python. If developing the web applications we host is of interest, #fedora-admin is also a good place to hang out and you can talk more with me about finding a specific application/project to work on. If you want to work on the website itself, writing content, designing the layout, adding javascript to the static site, etc, this is the place to be. If you could join us for one of our meetings, that would be a good way to get familiar with what's going on. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mike_carter at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 29 16:46:33 2008 From: mike_carter at sbcglobal.net (Mike Carter) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fraudlent Distributor Message-ID: <551530.62206.qm@web83414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Gang - ? On 23?July, I ordered a Fedora 9 i386 CD set from LinuxOnline.biz. The disks are faulty; they won't even pass the media check utility no matter what machine I use. ? As LinuxOnline.biz has no telephone number, I sent an e-mail to them requesting return information on 13 August, followed by two additional e-mails on 19 August, one through your web site and one addressed to the?primary contact shown on your web sire, Irdayante Kadir. To this date I have received no response?from LinuxOnline.biz of any sort.? ? You may want to consider removing this company from you selection of vendors:?they do not provide a quality product and apparently couldn't care less about their customer. ? Thank you, ? Mike Carter, Miamisburg OH (45342)? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soleilune54 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 04:11:18 2008 From: soleilune54 at hotmail.com (Anne-Marie Miron) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:11:18 -0400 Subject: espritzen.ca Message-ID: Mon site fonctionne plus !!!!! 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URL: From asgeirf at redhat.com Sat Aug 30 05:13:18 2008 From: asgeirf at redhat.com (Asgeir Frimannsson) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:13:18 +1000 Subject: CMS focus and scope In-Reply-To: <1219173875.7342.71.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1219173875.7342.71.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <200808301513.19324.asgeirf@redhat.com> On Wednesday 20 August 2008 05:24:35 Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > I just posted an update > > http://iquaid.org/2008/08/19/fedora-cms-focus-and-scope/ > > ... which I reposted below[1]. > > Here is the task's project page: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites > > The schedule currently allows a long time (~1 month) for scoping and > vetting solutions, then another few weeks for installing a version to > test as a replacement for docs.fp.o. Based on that experience and > tweaks done during the F10 release process, we can plan for www.fp.o > _after_ F10 releases. That way we use our stable systems through the > release where it counts the most. > > In case it is not obvious, the intention of the schedule sync is to > provide the full F10 Release Candidate release notes from docs.fp.org > via the new CMS. > If not for anything else, a fascinating way of presenting data: http://www.cmswatch.com/images/CMS-Watch-Subway-Q3-2008-large.jpg cheers, asgeir From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 05:39:26 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:39:26 -0400 Subject: espritzen.ca In-Reply-To: <000b01c90a56$7406fcd0$5c14f670$@com> References: <000b01c90a56$7406fcd0$5c14f670$@com> Message-ID: <1220074766.17290.26.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 00:11 -0400, Anne-Marie Miron wrote: > Mon site fonctionne plus !!!!! > www.espritzen.ca The test page you're seeing is what results when the web server is misconfigured. For more information talk to whoever is providing your hosting or see the following page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server_Test_Page *** La page de test que vous voyez est le r?sultat d'un serveur mal configur?. Pour plus d'informations, contactez votre fournisseur ou regardez la page suivante (d?sol?, seulement en anglais): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server_Test_Page -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One of the things that we need to do soon is to start looking at the CSS that mizmo (M?ir?n Duffy) is working on for MyFedora:: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-August/msg00131.html The idea is that mizmo is working on a specific application but breaking the CSS into three sets: * The first layer is generic for all Fedora sites, static and dynamic. * The second layer is generic for all Fedora Web Applications -- so all the web apps I mentioned earlier. * The third layer is CSS specific to a specific Web Application. We need to port other apps than MyFedora to using this three layer approach with the CSS that mizmo is proposing in layer's 1 & 2 so that we get the generic parts right. Since I'm the lead developer of the PackageDB I'd love to see the three layers integrated with the current PackageDB code. Is this something you'd be interested in doing? -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So pretty much all of the apps we develop in-house (pkgdb, fedora > account system, bodhi, myfedora, amber, etc) are written in python[1]_. > The web apps are all TurboGears[2]_. > > Our wiki is driven by mediawiki and we have a few other programs that we > run like zabbix which are written in php. > > One of the things that we need to do soon is to start looking at the CSS > that mizmo (M?ir?n Duffy) is working on for MyFedora:: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-August/msg00131.html > I realized I might not have been clear here. The first part of mizmo's message is about myfedora specifically. The second half is about the new CSS that I'm interested in getting merged to the PackageDB (and later all of our apps). -Toshio > The idea is that mizmo is working on a specific application but breaking > the CSS into three sets: > > * The first layer is generic for all Fedora sites, static and dynamic. > * The second layer is generic for all Fedora Web Applications -- so all > the web apps I mentioned earlier. > * The third layer is CSS specific to a specific Web Application. > > We need to port other apps than MyFedora to using this three layer > approach with the CSS that mizmo is proposing in layer's 1 & 2 so that > we get the generic parts right. Since I'm the lead developer of the > PackageDB I'd love to see the three layers integrated with the current > PackageDB code. Is this something you'd be interested in doing? > > -Toshio > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For more information talk to whoever is providing your hosting or see the following page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server_Test_Page *** La page de test que vous voyez est le r?sultat d'un serveur mal configur?. Pour plus d'informations, contactez votre fournisseur ou regardez la page suivante (d?sol?, seulement en anglais): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server_Test_Page -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams From telimektar at esraonline.com Sun Aug 31 20:41:53 2008 From: telimektar at esraonline.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Ughetto?=) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:41:53 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Self-introduction_=3A_Micha=EBl_Ughetto?= Message-ID: <67768aef0808311341k26bd364do422aa8ef15ed043c@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, I'm Micha?l Ughetto, a french physics student from South of France. I'm actually involved into Fedora mainly as a translator and a very very little packaging. My personnal interests are simulation and modelisation of physics problems. Concerning my participation to the website-team, i have some Python skills ans little knowledges about PHP and CSS. I'd like to help your team for all kinds of things, especially little ones that only need few optimizations. What kind of work could you give to me for my free time ? Friendly, PS : Learning don't afraid me -- Michael Ughetto (Telimektar) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MichaelUghetto || 0x8ECBA2A4 on pgp.mit.edu