Fedora-websites-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 9
Adam Humphreys
itprocanada at gmail.com
Mon Aug 18 18:04:40 UTC 2008
I would definitely encourage Fedora Websites to avoid using pictures in
replacement of pure code (text) on the grounds of SEO. The sites need to
remain simple on the premise of load time, meta-crawling, and browser
compliance. if linx can't see the point we're trying to make (text) then
we're probably not doing our job. I also noted that jquery didn't meet w3
markup compliance standards on their site so are they really credible?
There's lots of ways to get the site to a 2.0 level with out risking too
much issues of browser compliance. As long as we stick to suckerfish style
menu's with pure code Google etc should be able to see the links.
Thanks,
Adam J. H
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> 1. Developing the Amber layout form the mockups; Improving the
> fedoraproject frame; How to proceed? (Mark)
> 2. Re: Developing the Amber layout form the mockups (Mike Langlie)
> 3. Re: Example wiki page (Ian Weller)
> 4. (no subject) (Rui Garanhoto)
> 5. APCI F9 support page? (Misha Manulis)
> 6. Wiki Outage Notification - 2008-08-14 03:00 UTC & 2008-08-15
> 03:00 UTC (Nigel Jones)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:24:06 +0200
> From: Mark <markg85 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Developing the Amber layout form the mockups; Improving the
> fedoraproject frame; How to proceed?
> To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
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> Hello all,
>
> Recently i've spoken with Robin Norwood about the Amber mockups and
> volunteered to make the mockups work in html+css and perhaps even some
> javascript.
> I did make a head start with the development but soon discovered that
> i actually needed to tell it here first so that i can get some
> feedback on how to proceed in this.
> My intention is (as said) to make the mockups in html and let amber
> use it. The other part is the frame of the mockups which is supposed
> to be the default for all of the fedora sites. All those sites already
> look like the mockup but can use some more attention to let the left
> menu look like it and perhaps the bottom (didn't really compare the
> 2).
>
> It seems obvious for me that i need to take the current css from
> fedoraproject, adjust it to the mockup style and post it here so it
> can be used and integrated in fedoraproject sites.
> But how do you think about it? your opinion on how to proceed with
> this would be welcome.
>
> About the mockups
> I saw them and they look very good! but i have an idea to make them
> look better. For that idea look here: http://ui.jquery.com/ at the 3
> big buttons on the bottom. Wouldn't that effect be nice in
> fedoraproject for the buttons and the application frames in the
> mockup? For that to work i need a mockup in the hover state of those.
> So what do you think about that idea?
> I think it would make the fedoraprject sites and amber look more
> polished with that in it.
>
> About the name : "Amber"
> I talked to Norwood about this as well and told him that i actually
> liked (the codename) Amber way more then the intended name:
> "Application install".. Norwood told me that he is fine with both
> names and i personally would like to see Amber as the final name.
>
> So i would like to ask the rest what they think is better:
> - Amber
> - Application Install
>
> Cast your votes.
> (from me it's +1 for Amber)
>
> I hope i didn't forget anything.
>
> Greetings,
> Mark
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:58:32 -0400
> From: Mike Langlie <mlanglie at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Developing the Amber layout form the mockups
> To: Mark <markg85 at gmail.com>
> Cc: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <48A1CF48.8000309 at redhat.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> That's a cool effect. Here is an animated mockup of what could be done
> with Amber application blocks.
>
> http://yipyop.com/fedora/amber_block_transition.gif
>
> The normal state has a fade from #f3f4f4 to white, going halfway down
> the block.
> The hover state has a fade from #d7e7f7 to white, also halfway down the
> block.
> The transition fades between the two.
>
> Maybe make the backgrounds transparent PNGs that could fade in over each
> other?
> (Note there's a 1px border inside the 1px outer grey border.)
>
> Mike
>
>
> Mark wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Recently i've spoken with Robin Norwood about the Amber mockups and
> > volunteered to make the mockups work in html+css and perhaps even some
> > javascript.
> > I did make a head start with the development but soon discovered that
> > i actually needed to tell it here first so that i can get some
> > feedback on how to proceed in this.
> > My intention is (as said) to make the mockups in html and let amber
> > use it. The other part is the frame of the mockups which is supposed
> > to be the default for all of the fedora sites. All those sites already
> > look like the mockup but can use some more attention to let the left
> > menu look like it and perhaps the bottom (didn't really compare the
> > 2).
> >
> > It seems obvious for me that i need to take the current css from
> > fedoraproject, adjust it to the mockup style and post it here so it
> > can be used and integrated in fedoraproject sites.
> > But how do you think about it? your opinion on how to proceed with
> > this would be welcome.
> >
> > About the mockups
> > I saw them and they look very good! but i have an idea to make them
> > look better. For that idea look here: http://ui.jquery.com/ at the 3
> > big buttons on the bottom. Wouldn't that effect be nice in
> > fedoraproject for the buttons and the application frames in the
> > mockup? For that to work i need a mockup in the hover state of those.
> > So what do you think about that idea?
> > I think it would make the fedoraprject sites and amber look more
> > polished with that in it.
> >
> > About the name : "Amber"
> > I talked to Norwood about this as well and told him that i actually
> > liked (the codename) Amber way more then the intended name:
> > "Application install".. Norwood told me that he is fine with both
> > names and i personally would like to see Amber as the final name.
> >
> > So i would like to ask the rest what they think is better:
> > - Amber
> > - Application Install
> >
> > Cast your votes.
> > (from me it's +1 for Amber)
> >
> > I hope i didn't forget anything.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Mark
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:58:34 -0500
> From: Ian Weller <ianweller at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Example wiki page
> To: For participants of the Documentation Project
> <fedora-docs-list at redhat.com>
> Cc: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <20080812185322.GA1143 at gmail.com>
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> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:24:16AM -0700, Sam Chen wrote:
> >
> > >>>But this page looks good to me! You might also want a link to
> > >>>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing as well.
> >
> > How come this wiki page starts at the second page of my IE browser? The
> first page is totally blank with only the side menus to the left.
> > Shen-En Chen
> >
> Does this occur for other wiki pages in IE?
>
> (ccing f-websites-l)
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:48:10 +0100
> From: "Rui Garanhoto" <musganho at gmail.com>
> Subject: (no subject)
> To: <webmaster at fedoraproject.org>
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> Hi there!
>
>
>
> In Fedora's website there is the pt_BR language.
>
> Well, Portuguese and Brazilian in fact look alike but there are many words
> that you write and pronounce different.
>
> Some person that don't understand a webmaster's work could think that those
> are grammar mistakes.
>
>
>
> Would you like to add a pt_PT language to the site?
>
> I'll do it for free, I'll just need time to do it (I'm a webmaster myself
> and with lots of work these last days).
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rui Garanhoto
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:08:27 -0700
> From: Misha Manulis <misha at manulis.com>
> Subject: APCI F9 support page?
> To: webmaster at fedoraproject.org
> Message-ID: <C49525C8-3C4C-483B-9F43-22BEB13A3FEF at manulis.com>
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> Hello,
>
> I am setting up my Eee PC and the Fedora Eee PC page,
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc
> , refers to "ACPI support in Fedora 9" but I cannot locate the
> document. Could you please provide a link or instructions for this
> information?
>
> Thank you
>
> Misha Manulis
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:45:30 +1200
> From: Nigel Jones <dev at nigelj.com>
> Subject: Wiki Outage Notification - 2008-08-14 03:00 UTC & 2008-08-15
> 03:00 UTC
> To: fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com,
> fedora-websites-list at redhat.com, fedora-docs-list at redhat.com
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> There will be an outage starting at 2008-08-14 03:00 UTC, which will
> last approximately 1 hour. A second outage is scheduled to start at
> 2008-08-15 03:00 UTC lasting approximately 30 minutes.
>
> To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run:
>
> date -d '2008-08-14 03:00 UTC'
> date -d '2008-08-15 03:00 UTC'
>
> Affected Services:
>
> Fedora Project Wiki
>
> Unaffected Services:
>
> All Other Websites
> CVS / Source Control
> Buildsystem
> Database
> DNS
> Mail
> Torrent
>
> Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/754
>
> Reason for Outage:
>
> We will be performing database changes to the wiki database to enable
> searching by default for specific categories and to switch to the
> internal authentication methods. We hope to be able to leave the wiki
> Read Only during both outages.
>
> Contact Information:
>
> Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email
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> Thanks,
>
> Nigel Jones
>
>
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