Omniture & Fedora
Jesse Eversole Jr
jeversol at redhat.com
Fri Feb 29 00:50:46 UTC 2008
We discussed whether to track fedora.org with Omniture a couple of years
ago and elected not to do so at the time. If there is interest in the
Fedora website management community to explore the differences between
tracking using a tool like awstats versus Omniture then I would suggest
that we start up a thread on the topic. We can explain how our tracking
system works and the reports that would be available to the community.
I would also be interested in a discussion on the topic of what it means
to have "open services" versus "proprietary services" as it relates to
"open source" versus "proprietary source". I see this as a challenge for
us at Red Hat in the growing market of SOAS and hosted systems and for
the open source community.
Jesse
Max Spevack wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>> Not to be negative but Fedora has avoided using proprietary software
>> or services as much as possible and quite successfully. It is bad
>> enough that trend is not kept as much within Red Hat but why
>> proliferate it within Fedora too?
>
> Hi Rahul,
>
> Let me explain my reasons for beginning this thread in the manner in
> which I did:
>
> Things I am *not* doing:
>
> * I am not suggesting that Fedora should use any proprietary software.
>
> * I am not *mandating* that anyone in Fedora do anything.
>
> Things I *am* doing:
>
> * I am responding to a query from Red Hat's web team about how they
> can gain some visibility to Fedora traffic in their current system for
> all other Red Hat properties.
>
> * I am directing the person in charge of that (Jesse) to the Fedora
> Websites team so that he can state his case (if he so chooses) and
> have a conversation with the community.
>
> ---
>
> My goal is always to allow the community *doers* to interact directly
> with the Red Hat *doers* without folks like me having to be the middle
> man. So when someone comes to me with a request that really belongs in
> the hands of the Fedora Websites leaders, I believe that it is my job
> to bring those two parties together, and try to summarize the topic of
> discussion.
>
> I do this while trying not to offer my own opinion, so as not to sway
> the discussion one way or another.
>
> Ultimately, from the Fedora point of view, this is a question of
> "adding a little JavaScript to a few pages".
>
> The pros of this:
> * It is helpful to our friends in the larger Red Hat world, and we
> would be doing them a favor.
>
> The cons of this:
> * Our friends in the larger Red Hat world need that JavaScript in
> order to operate with a larger analysis system that Fedora would never
> choose to implement themselves due to philosophical reasons.
>
> It is up to the leaders within the Fedora Websites team to consider
> this and make a decision. They can reject it outright. They can ask
> for more information. They can debate. Whatever.
>
> But I assume that you would rather have the opportunity to make a
> decision like this directly, rather than have it be decided (in either
> direction) for you.
>
> --Max
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