From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 1 15:41:55 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:41:55 +0100 Subject: 2008-06-30 Meeting Minutes and Log Message-ID: <507738ef0807010841p88a9e80lce8be62a39c2512d@mail.gmail.com> Yay for exams being over, here are the minutes and log from yesterday's meeting: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-06-30 Best, Jon -------------------------------- 22:00 < spevack> ===== Begin Websites Meeting ===== 22:00 < spevack> meeting now! :) 22:00 < ianweller> spevack: that begin line showed up as 15:00:00 on my computer. wonderful timing lol 22:00 < tw2113> ditto 22:00 < spevack> ianweller: not a coincidence 22:00 * ianweller hugs ntp 22:00 < spevack> ok, so who's around? 22:00 < spevack> Max Spevack 22:00 < JonRob> Jonathan Roberts 22:00 < mizmo> meeee 22:00 < tw2113> MichaelBeckwith 22:00 * ianweller as Ian Weller 22:01 < ivazquez> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams 22:01 < rsc> RobertScheck 22:01 < spevack> ricky: you around? 22:01 < ianweller> (ricky's on vacation iirc) 22:01 < spevack> fair enough 22:01 < spevack> nice crowd today. 22:01 * ianweller does the wave 22:01 * JonRob realises I'm not logging, can someone else send me a log so i can do the minutes? 22:01 < tw2113> YMCA! 22:01 < ianweller> i'll log 22:01 < spevack> JonRob: i'm logging 22:01 < tw2113> i have logging enabled too 22:02 < spevack> ok, that's taken care of :) 22:02 < spevack> so, here's what I was thinking for today. 22:02 < spevack> i want to start by running down the list of tasks we came up with at the actual spins hackfest. 22:02 < spevack> and from there, i'm sure we'll move into mizmo's work from the weekend 22:02 < spevack> in other words, a very heavy emphasis on spins.fp.o 22:03 < spevack> so before we get into that... are there *other* websites topics anyone wants to address? 22:03 < ianweller> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary#Tasks 22:03 < JonRob> quickly: 22:03 < spevack> JonRob: go ahead 22:03 < JonRob> did people spot that message i sent re: an update to get-help? 22:04 < JonRob> i'm not comfortable pushing to live without others at least glancing yet 22:04 < spevack> JonRob: i'm trying to pull it up now 22:04 < tw2113> i probably did but can't recall 22:04 * ianweller missed that thread apparently 22:05 < JonRob> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00282.html 22:05 < spevack> JonRob: i'm having trouble finding that specific page in your tree 22:06 < spevack> JonRob: got a direct link? 22:06 < JonRob> hmm let me see 22:06 < JonRob> oh shoot, we had this problem before i think 22:06 < JonRob> ok, move on with the meeting and i'll try and figure it out :p 22:06 * ianweller doesn't see any recent commits by JonRob in the git repo. 22:07 < spevack> ok, no worries JonRob 22:07 < spevack> any other new business, before we dive into spins? 22:07 < tw2113> just a link to the spins map that mo did up 22:08 < spevack> tw2113: one sec 22:08 < spevack> http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html 22:08 < spevack> ok, let's dive into the meat of this meeting then. 22:08 < spevack> starting with our little task list from the hackfest session 22:08 < spevack> 1. spins.fp.o test instance 22:08 < spevack> owners: ricky and mspevack 22:08 < ianweller> (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary#Tasks, for reference) 22:08 < spevack> well, i must confess that I have yet to move the needle on that one. And I don't think ricky did either. 22:09 < spevack> the goal here is to get a git instance for spins.fedoraproject.org 22:09 < spevack> as well as a test envionment 22:09 < spevack> so that we have a place to check stuff in, and a place where it shows up that isn't the live page. 22:09 < ianweller> i think we have a git instance somewhere 22:09 < tw2113> what is the initial page for this map? 22:09 < tw2113> i'm thinking spin details 22:10 < ianweller> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spins.git is our git repo for spins.fp.o 22:10 < ianweller> i believe i am an admin for the acl for it in FAS 22:10 < tw2113> nevermind, just saw "home" 22:10 < spevack> ianweller: excellent... right, i remember seeing that now. I forgot to get myself registered to that group in FAS. 22:10 < spevack> so, lesson one: anyone who wants to be able to commit needs to apply for a new group in FAS, right? 22:11 * ianweller gets the group name... 22:11 < ianweller> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/gitspins 22:11 < spevack> great, i just applied. 22:12 * ianweller sponsors 22:12 < spevack> so the next question that I have is how we can get some sort of test instance where the stuff we check in is displayed for testing, critique, etc.? 22:12 < ianweller> shall we ping mr. mcgrath? 22:12 < spevack> once we have that, then at least there is a basic infrastructure for contribution. 22:12 < mizmo> mmcgrath set up publictest2 and said i could use my homedir for that purpose 22:12 < ivazquez> We should. 22:12 < spevack> ianweller: sure. i'll do that after the meeting, since it 22:12 < spevack> is my action item 22:12 < ianweller> spevack: ok then. 22:12 < spevack> and i don't want to bog us down too much here. 22:12 < mizmo> (now i just have to figure out how to set git up so it will work there) 22:13 < ianweller> i think we can safely make mizmo and spevack sponsors in the group, correct? 22:13 < spevack> ok, so (1) git instance is created and (2) mspevack will work with infrastructure for test instance 22:13 < spevack> ianweller: i trust mizmo :) 22:14 < mizmo> spevack, would publictest2 be the test instance? 22:14 < mmcgrath> actually publictest12 22:14 < mmcgrath> :) 22:14 * mmcgrath is around 22:14 < mizmo> oh 12 foo 22:14 < spevack> well, all i get is the apache test page. i don't know if our git repo is empty, or if there's been anything dropped in there yet 22:14 < mizmo> thanks mmcgrath 22:14 < spevack> but if it's publictest12, then wonderful! we're good to go. 22:15 < ianweller> who in here has sysadmin-test? 22:15 < mizmo> spevack, i think the idea is that we could each have our own in our homedirs 22:15 < JonRob> i think i do :S 22:15 < ivazquez> Not I. 22:15 ... join!#fedora-websites -> daMaestro(n=jon at fedora/damaestro) 22:15 < ianweller> yeah you'll need to be in sysadmin-test to ssh into publictest12. 22:15 < ianweller> iirc. 22:15 < spevack> mizmo: that makes sense... i'm too locked into the RHN world where I'm still imagining individuals with dev environments, but you need one "QA" somewhere" that is a known good state for testing and feedback 22:15 < JonRob> yup, i do 22:16 < spevack> mizmo: but i suppose i'm getting ahead of myself. 22:16 < mizmo> true true 22:16 < spevack> clint savage isn't around right now, so i'll skip the update on the "what is a spin" task, which is mostly a documentation one. 22:16 < ivazquez> It might be nice to have various directories on pt12 for the various branches in the repo. 22:16 < mizmo> ianweller, i can ssh into it but i dont know if i can sysadmintest or not 22:17 < ianweller> oh 22:17 < mizmo> spevack, he sent an update to the websites list 22:17 < mizmo> spevack, one sec 22:17 < ianweller> maybe sysadmin-test is just sudo 22:17 < mizmo> spevack, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins/What_is_a_spin 22:17 < spevack> great. As you can tell, I'm a bit behind on websites stuff this week. :( my apologies. i have two other tasks -- collecting up a inventory of all the spins we do have, and also continuing to work with juank_prada on the get-fedora updates. 22:17 < mizmo> spevack, that's what he has so far 22:18 < spevack> mizmo: it's a decent start 22:18 < mizmo> yeppers 22:19 < spevack> my other two tasks will continue to see some work. This is a bad week for me since I'm still in Raleigh and having lots of planning meetings and budget meetings and stuff like that. But the work with juank can continue sort of in parallel to spins 22:19 < spevack> and the inventory of spins is easy, and also consists of what we want spins.fp.o to look like as a placeholder -- i'd at least like to clean it up a little bit. 22:19 < spevack> so those are things on my todo list, but realistically ,i won't get to them until next week. 22:19 < spevack> so 50 lashes for me, for lagging a bit :) 22:20 < spevack> At this point, I thought I'd turn the meeting over to mizmo and let her lead us through her work, or what specific kinds of feedback she is looking for 22:21 < mizmo> :) 22:21 < mizmo> on the spot! 22:21 < mizmo> well 22:21 < spevack> mizmo: is that ok? 22:21 < mizmo> yeppers ;-) 22:21 < mizmo> so i wrote this up this past weekend: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html 22:21 ... join!#fedora-websites -> juank_prada(n=juanky at 200.114.35.190) 22:21 < mizmo> with the sitemap, i was looking to exhaustively list out what pages we would need to write for the spins.fpo site 22:22 < mizmo> and to capture the flow through the site for various folks 22:22 < mizmo> the two big hubs in the sitemap are the home page, and the 'my spins' page 22:22 < juank_prada> hi all.... sorry im late... i just arrived from Campus Party 22:22 < mizmo> the 'my spins' page varies depending on your roles - if you're just a spin user you'll just see your favorited spins here 22:22 < mizmo> if you're a spin builder you'll also see build status for the spinsyou've built 22:22 < mizmo> ifyoure a spin reviewer you'll see your incoming queue of spins to be reviewed 22:22 < mizmo> and if you are all threeyou will see all three :) 22:23 < mizmo> some idiosyncrasies of the diagram: 22:23 < mizmo> - tan circle means it's static content 22:23 < mizmo> - bright blue circle means it's a form or otherwise requires user input 22:23 < mizmo> - blue circle means it's dynamically generated content from a template 22:24 < mizmo> - grey means it's from elsewhere 22:24 < mizmo> (eg an email) 22:24 < mizmo> - cubes mean you're downloading a file such as an iso 22:24 < tw2113> something non important but could be helpful...some sort of key on the graphic for that 22:24 < mizmo> is there anything missing in the flow here? 22:24 < ivazquez> Agreed. A legend would be handy. 22:25 < mizmo> the one i added last minute was the admin section 22:25 < mizmo> right now it just controls building of spins 22:25 < mizmo> maybe it needs a section wher eyou can remove or hide spins too 22:25 < mizmo> after theyve been built 22:25 < ivazquez> We have a sitemap now, but it might be handy to have use cases diagrammed out as well. 22:26 < tw2113> what do the very light blue bubbles around grouped circles mean? 22:26 < mizmo> ivazquez, yeh i think that would be the next step 22:26 < mizmo> tw2113, it just means that the arrow pointing to the box points to all pages in the box 22:26 * juank_prada is checking the diagram again 22:26 < tw2113> ok 22:26 < mizmo> tw2113, they kind of hang together as a dashboard kind of thing 22:26 < JonRob> do we have any news on the tech needed to build spins on the web? 22:27 * mizmo doesn't, JonRob :( 22:29 < mizmo> the next steps from this diagram i think are use cases by individual user diagrammed out 22:29 < mizmo> which we kind of have from FUDcon 22:29 < mizmo> but right now they are just whiteboard photos 22:29 < mizmo> then 22:29 < mizmo> we need wireframes (at the least) for each of the major pages 22:29 < mizmo> then it should be really easy for a devel to go thru the materials and write that pages 22:29 < mizmo> that/the 22:30 * ianweller has no issues with the current sitemap 22:30 < ianweller> i see it as a wonderful guide of how we're going to do things 22:30 < ianweller> should we write up a URI standard that goes with that though? 22:30 < tw2113> word 22:30 < mizmo> i did an example wireframe for the front page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Spinsfpo-wireframe-frontpage.png 22:30 < ivazquez> I think once we have the use cases we'll be able to fine tune it. 22:30 < mizmo> ianweller, URI standard? 22:30 < ianweller> mizmo: like what sections are at what paths 22:31 < ianweller> /browse/ for browse, /spin/### for a spin details page, whathave you 22:31 < mizmo> ivazquez, they are written up in the hackfest notes, just not diagrammed out 22:31 < ianweller> s/have/ have/ 22:31 < ivazquez> Alright. 22:31 < mizmo> ivazquez, eg https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary#Example_users 22:31 < juank_prada> ianweller, you mean routing paths? 22:31 < ianweller> juank_prada: sure 22:31 < mizmo> ianweller, ah okay makes sense 22:31 < mizmo> ianweller, usually i dont plan those ahead, just happens as development takes place 22:32 < mizmo> ianweller, but having sane urls might make it easier to work with 22:32 * ianweller will never forget the "Cool URIs Don't Change" article ;) 22:32 < ivazquez> How we define the routing also depends on the web framework we're using. 22:33 * juank_prada is willing to check the "Cool URIs Don't Change" article :P 22:33 < juank_prada> ivazquez, totally agree 22:33 < ianweller> juank_prada: http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI 22:33 < ianweller> should we have a discussion on what web framework we're using? 22:33 < juank_prada> i would like to 22:34 < mizmo> turbogears no? 22:34 * ianweller assumes turbogears, but i'd love to have a discussion over them all 22:34 < mizmo> id rather not talk about implementation at this stage though unless there are actual developers here? 22:34 < ivazquez> I think we're doing well with TG+SQLAlchemy+Genshi. 22:34 < juank_prada> mizmo, im here ^^ 22:34 < mizmo> oh okay hi juank_prada 22:35 < ianweller> i personally don't know TG (yet) so i can do xhtml/css stuff and then leave the implementation to the devs ;) 22:35 < juank_prada> but yeah... i agree.. im not sure the design is mature enough to start talking about frameworks 22:35 < juank_prada> although i might be wrong as i missed 20 mins of this meeting (may more?) 22:36 < ianweller> juank_prada: you came in just at the start of the spins stuff 22:36 < ianweller> well, at the start of mizmo talking about her work from the weekend 22:36 < juank_prada> ok then.. should we discuss about frameworks now? 22:36 < ianweller> juank_prada: we also have a git repo (as i'm sure you know) and publictest12 setup. 22:37 < juank_prada> is there any other developer here or maybe someone from infrastructure? 22:37 < ivazquez> Seeing as how he's the gitspins admin... 22:37 * ivazquez raises his hand 22:38 < juank_prada> yeah well... alhtough im the admin i really havent had the time to work on this 22:38 < juank_prada> i just got home ^^ 22:39 < ivazquez> Well, I figured you'd at least know about the repo ;) 22:39 < juank_prada> oh yeah :P 22:39 < juank_prada> so ivazquez i assume you would go for TG right? 22:39 < ivazquez> I don't see a need for Zope here, so yes. 22:41 < juank_prada> i dont know about the rest of the developers but im pretty sure turbogears will be the selected framework 22:41 < spevack> well, we are trying to standardize on TG as much as possible 22:41 < spevack> to leverage the expertise that we are building there 22:42 < juank_prada> then lets go for turbogears :) and not waste any time thinking about which framework to use 22:42 < ianweller> that was easy. 22:42 < spevack> i think we need to leverage all the work that luke macken and toshio have already been doing 22:42 < spevack> and also not be afraid to ask them for help 22:43 * spevack pings lmacken and asks him to come to this channel 22:43 < juank_prada> spevack, ill try to get in contact with them... ricky already told me about their work and im sure i'll need a lot of help with this as im not really a TG programmer 22:43 ... join!#fedora-websites -> JonRob1(n=jon at 88-111-170-73.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22:43 < ivazquez> TG is easy once you know the basics. 22:43 * juank_prada would have voted for Zend Framework :P 22:43 < spevack> juank_prada: lmacken has some great demos and stuff. i want to get him in here to point us at some of what he talked about at FUDCon 22:44 < spevack> long term, i think we'll have the most success if we use the same tools that the rest of Fedora Infrastructure is using. mmcgrath, what do you think? 22:44 ... join!#fedora-websites -> lmacken(n=lmacken at fedora/lmacken) 22:44 < lmacken> hi there 22:44 < juank_prada> ivazquez, yeah i've been playing with it and i find it very easy 22:44 < spevack> mizmo: your thoughts too. 22:44 < spevack> lmacken: we're talking about TurboGears as the framework for spins.fedoraproject.org 22:44 < lmacken> excellent 22:44 < mizmo> spevack, i am all for TG 22:44 < spevack> i was wondering if you have pointers to the stuff you showed at FUDCon 22:44 < lmacken> ah, right.. I should probably post my slides :) 22:44 < spevack> lmacken: and what it would take to prevail upon you to help as a "consultant" from time to time 22:45 < spevack> as you have become our resident TG expert 22:45 < lmacken> I'd be glad to help 22:45 < lmacken> my TG1.0 from 2 fudcons ago: http://tg.lewk.org 22:45 < ianweller> lmacken: you'll probably want to join gitspins in FAS, if you haven't already 22:46 < lmacken> I'll get my TG2.0 ones up soon.. but either way, we can start writing this using TG1.0, and easily port to 2 if we want 22:46 < lmacken> ianweller: will do 22:46 < juank_prada> lmacken, would you recommend doing that?... wouldnt it be easier just to start with TG2.0? 22:47 < lmacken> juank_prada: well, TG2 isn't in fedora yet :\ 22:47 < tw2113> i don't have the knowledge for frameworks at the present time, so i'll just go with TG 22:47 < lmacken> I recommend starting with what will be the TG1.1 stack (SQLAlchemy, Genshi, ToscaWidgets) 22:47 < lmacken> with that code, adopting TG2 down the road will be trivial 22:48 * ivazquez needs to figure out widgets 22:49 < ianweller> so have we somewhat decided on TG 1.1? 22:49 < juank_prada> i guess so 22:50 < lmacken> TG1.1 should be officially released this week, I believe.. but you can easily start working with the 1.1 stack in 1.0 apps as well 22:50 < lmacken> it's just a matter of `tg-admin quickstart --sqlalchemy` 22:51 < lmacken> and then replace the kid with genshi templates 22:52 < lmacken> i'd be glad to help get things rolling if we have a repo somewhere 22:52 < spevack> lmacken: in fact, we do have a repo. 22:52 < ianweller> lmacken: we do, that's what the gitspins group is for :P 22:52 < ianweller> lmacken: http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=spins.git;a=summary 22:53 < lmacken> just applied to the gitspins group 22:53 < ianweller> ka-sponsored' 22:56 < lmacken> so, has anyone come up with a model for this app ? 22:56 < ianweller> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Spinsfpo-sitemap.png 22:56 < ianweller> brought to you by the mizmo 22:56 < lmacken> cool, yeah I saw that.. I mean an MVC model 22:57 < ianweller> define MVC 22:57 < mizmo> nope, no model :( 22:57 < ivazquez> We're not that far yet. 22:57 < mizmo> model view controller 22:57 < lmacken> model-view-controller... model == db 22:57 < ianweller> ah. yeah, what ivazquez said... 22:57 < juank_prada> tg does work with mvc right? 22:58 < lmacken> juank_prada: yes 22:58 < juank_prada> ok good 22:58 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> Rasther(Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:58 < juank_prada> so i think our next step would be to define the model 22:58 < ianweller> userdirs are working on pt12, fwiw 22:59 < lmacken> juank_prada: yep 22:59 < lmacken> for the past few TG apps I've helped work on, we defined and implemented the model with in gobby.. which seemed to work out nicely 22:59 < ianweller> i'm up for gobby :D 23:00 < lmacken> I recommend trying to lure toshio into gobby to help with this model when he gets back from vacation tomorrow :) 23:00 < juank_prada> so am i... but i would like to know the date as im leaving in about 10-15 minutes :S 23:00 < lmacken> he's our sqlalchemy/db guru 23:01 < juank_prada> should we leave this step for next meeting?... or doing it during this week so next meeting we have something else to talk about the other parts of the mvc pattern :) 23:01 < spevack> i just want us to be clear on the next step, who's doing it, etc. 23:02 < juank_prada> mizmo, what about the use cases you talked about? 23:02 < spevack> so if we're going to have a few people working together in gobby, i'd just like to make sure that juank_prada knows when that is, because i think it's very important that he be included. 23:02 * ianweller notes that he needs to go now 23:02 < ianweller> i'll talk to mizmo at some point about the html/css stuff. 23:03 < mizmo> juank_prada, the main use cases are in the wiki - user, developer, and reviewer 23:03 < mizmo> juank_prada, they aren't diagrammed out yet though 23:03 < spevack> so, before people run off... what are our goals for the coming week? 23:03 < juank_prada> well... they are defined which is the more important thing... going from there to a graphic is easier 23:03 < lmacken> if you guys are set on TG, i'd be glad to help get a skeleton project up 23:04 < ivazquez> That would be appreciated. 23:04 < lmacken> but in terms of hacking, I may not have spare cycles for a month or so 23:04 * ianweller must run as of now. i'll read the scroll buffer 23:04 < juank_prada> lmacken, i would really like you to help us here... and it seems TG is the one we will use 23:04 < lmacken> juank_prada: cool 23:05 < ivazquez> Uh, oh yeah. I should probably mention that I'm going on vacation towards the end of the week. 23:05 < spevack> lmacken: that's ok. i'm not looking to recruit you as our lead hacker -- i know you're busy -- just to help us move along as we need it, and help the technically-minded in the websites team be successful 23:05 < spevack> ivazquez: no problem -- have a nice vacation! :) 23:05 < ivazquez> Thanks. 23:05 < lmacken> spevack: absolutely. I'll help as much as I possibly can 23:05 < juank_prada> so should i suggest next steps to be having the use cases defindes (this could be done in an hour or so) and defining the model? 23:06 < ivazquez> I'll still check my email though, so if you need anything just let me know (and pray it doesn't get buried in the mailing lists). 23:06 < spevack> is it better to have lmacken set the TG instance up for us, or (even if it is pedantic) to ask Luke to tell one of the folks (maybe juank_prada) who will be a major developer on spins.fp.o *how* to do it, and let that person actually make it happen? 23:06 < juank_prada> and by defined i actually mean in a grpahic .. something mre like what mizmo did with the structure of the site 23:06 * spevack thinks that small things like that have large effects 23:06 < ivazquez> spevack: I think we should have a project-wide doc on how to get TG up and running. 23:06 < spevack> true :) 23:07 < ivazquez> That way we don't get people going off on their own little tangents. 23:07 < spevack> lmacken: do you have that doc? 23:07 < juank_prada> lmacken, what time is more easily to find you around here? 23:07 < spevack> lmacken: if not, could it be your "fedora websites action item" for the week? :) 23:08 < lmacken> spevack: `tg-admin quickstart` usually does the trick. But In terms of running a command to get a Fedora-look-and-feel TG app... that may be a useful doc/script to have 23:08 < ivazquez> Interaction diagrams. That's the phrase I was looking for. 23:08 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> JonRob(Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:08 < ivazquez> We need interaction diagrams, not use case diagrams. 23:08 < lmacken> juank_prada: anytime really 23:08 * ivazquez finally decided to pull out his UML book 23:08 < lmacken> ew 23:09 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> JonRob1(Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:09 < juank_prada> lmacken, alrite... thing is im starting this new job tomorrow and im not really sure what or when is going to be my free time to spend on spins so i would really like to talk to you so you can give me some tips and help :) 23:09 < lmacken> juank_prada: sounds good.. drop me lines anytime, either on irc or lmacken at redhat.com 23:10 < juank_prada> alrite :) 23:10 < spevack> ok, well it looks like between new jobs and vacations, we're going to be in a little bit of chaos here, but we'll get it all going. lmacken, much appreciated that you're just willing to be a resource for us 23:10 < spevack> well, there is a lot going on in websites land, which is good. 23:10 < spevack> I know we're over time... do we need to adjourn this meeting and let people go? 23:10 < lmacken> hashing out ideas/models/cases/etc in gobby may be a good way for us all to chip in spare cycles when we can 23:11 < lmacken> oh no.. jack is calling.. brb :) 23:11 < spevack> ok, who's sending the log to 23:11 < spevack> JonRob? 23:11 < juank_prada> so... when can we do the model design? 23:12 < lmacken> juank_prada: we can probably start that now.. change it as we need to 23:12 < juank_prada> well... im leaving in a few minutes.. and ill be back late.. so... 23:13 < lmacken> juank_prada: well, by "now" i mean whenever people have time. It's something that will evolve with our requirements and use cases 23:14 < juank_prada> oh 23:14 < juank_prada> ok then :P 23:14 < juank_prada> it seems ill have a free time during this week (probably for all comming weeks to) at around 2:00 UTC :S 23:15 < spevack> juank_prada: why don't you propose a time, and send it to the list (and luke) along with a list of the couple of things you'd like to discuss 23:15 < juank_prada> not sure how that time work for you lmacken ? 23:15 < spevack> juank_prada: that way you can get the topics you want, and the time you want 23:15 < lmacken> juank_prada: I think that should be fine 23:16 < juank_prada> lmacken, ok then... ill do what spevack said so we can get more developers to join us and discuss this issue 23:17 < lmacken> juank_prada: sounds good 23:17 < lmacken> I'll get the TG skeleton into git today 23:17 < juank_prada> great :) 23:18 < juank_prada> i have to go now... so... ill talk to you later ... anything else ill read it from the log ... sorry for being late today 23:18 < spevack> juank_prada: thanks for your time! 23:18 < spevack> lmacken: thank you for your time also 23:18 < spevack> mizmo, all: thank you for attending today. 23:19 < mizmo> :) 23:19 < spevack> there's so much going on, my head is swimming a bit, in a good way :) 23:19 < juank_prada> im really excited here... there is a lot of enthusiasm in this :) 23:20 < juank_prada> see you all later :) 23:20 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> juank_prada("Leaving") 23:20 < lmacken> k, I've created the TG quickstart w/ SQLAlchemy & Genshi. 23:20 < lmacken> can't seem to push to git yet.. the account system may not have synced yet 23:21 < tw2113> meeting adjourned? 23:21 < spevack> meeting adjourned ;) From adolf at arlis.org Wed Jul 2 00:55:34 2008 From: adolf at arlis.org (Adolf Pantoja) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:55:34 -0800 Subject: Support question Message-ID: <000001c8dbde$58fd7f50$4000020a@adolf> Hello, My name is Adolf and I am the SysAdm for a small library in Alaska called ARLIS. 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For general questions, you should refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ has the answer on how long every release of Fedora gets updates. Rahul From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 07:50:18 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:50:18 -0400 Subject: Support question In-Reply-To: <000001c8dbde$58fd7f50$4000020a@adolf> References: <000001c8dbde$58fd7f50$4000020a@adolf> Message-ID: <1214985019.3508.11.camel@ignacio.lan> On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 16:55 -0800, Adolf Pantoja wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Adolf and I am the SysAdm for a small library in Alaska > called ARLIS. > > My support question is if I move my servers to Fedora 9 how long will > my servers be able > > to receive updates? For instance, Ubuntu will offer updates to there > product until 2013. > > > > Adolf Pantoja > > System Administrator > > Alaska Resources Library & > > Library Services > > adolf at arlis.org This mailing list is for issues with the Fedora Project's websites. For installation and other end-user issues, see one of the user-oriented resources found on this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Secteur Fournisseur d.Acc?s Internet From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 10:30:26 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:30:26 -0400 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1214994626.3508.17.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 11:07 +0200, opalinemusic at aliceadsl.fr wrote: > Bonjour, > je tiens ? vous signaler que quelqu'un pratique le phishing en utilisant cette url: > http://vps101.neteffx.net/ > Voici l'e-mail du fraudeur qui a pirat? mon compte paypal gr?ce ? cette url: > http://vps101.neteffx.net/www.paypal.fr/update/cgi-bin/fr/security/cmd=_login-submit&dispatch=5885d80a13c0db1f35bed810ca29224194ca8b1b097b6719ff0a4054f3e6cccd/customers-ottEuSCTzVEeY4HnnZbrhOX4yp5%20-/ > Je ne sais pas si vous pouvez faire quelque chose contre cet individu, mais comme j'ai trouv? vos coordonn?es via le site: http://vps101.neteffx.net/ , je pr?f?re vous informer pour que vous transmettiez ? qui de droit... > Cordialement, > Mr SA?D(victime de phishing...) That is a test page included with our operating system; we don't actually control the site in question. For more information, please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage. To determine the actual owner, you should do a whois lookup of the domain. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just wanna install my Fedora9 from USB so i refer to the docs and found this link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Live There is well explained how to create a Booting USB, but there is not written anywhere that i should copy the image of the DVD/CD into the USB or another disc or even that i should preserve that image for the installation, its easy to assume that after the creation of the Booting USB the image (i'm referring as image to the .iso file) is not needed anymore. So, i think that it should be said there. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 3 14:43:34 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:43:34 -0400 Subject: Spins wiki page reorganization Message-ID: <486CE596.4010203@fedoraproject.org> Hey folks, I took some time this morning to re-organize the spins wiki page. I hope it's okay that I did this. I moved the meeting minutes from fudcon over to serve as the base of the /Websites/Spins page, and then I broke out the page into a few subpages. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Spins ~m From nathalie.damours at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 02:43:52 2008 From: nathalie.damours at gmail.com (Nathalie D'Amours) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:43:52 -0400 Subject: One of your url is missing a '/' Message-ID: <486d8e6d.062a400a.4dc2.1d38@mx.google.com> Hi, On the following page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download The following link: ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9Fedora/x86_64/is o/ should be: ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9 /Fedora/x86_64/iso/ Regards, Nathalie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was just wondering whether there is anything that you could do to assist me secure a copy of Fedora. I operate from Zimbabwe and unfortunately, I cannot afford to buy the media, we are going through some economic challenges and it is almost impossible to secure anything other than almost worthless Zimbabwe dollars. I also do not have access to credit card facilities. As such I have really been hoping to benefit from the Free Media Program. Any assistance you can offer me would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Tamayi Mlanda Software Architect Spectrum ITS 1st Floor, South Wing, Travel Centre Cnr 3rd Street/Speke Avenue Harare, Zimbabwe Mobile: +263 11 803 511 Tel: +263 4 799 626 - 8 Fax: +263 4 799 629 cid:image001.jpg at 01C7A828.A37DB030 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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More recently, I have been religiously checking the Fedora > Free Media site up until July 03, and it was indicating that the *Fedora > Free Media Program July 2008 is now CLOSED.* Then come 4th July, I find > that the program for July has also closed. Just my luck L!!! > > > > I was just wondering whether there is anything that you could do to assist > me secure a copy of Fedora. I operate from Zimbabwe and unfortunately, I > cannot afford to buy the media, we are going through some economic > challenges and it is almost impossible to secure anything other than almost > worthless Zimbabwe dollars. I also do not have access to credit card > facilities. As such I have really been hoping to benefit from the Free Media > Program. > > > > Any assistance you can offer me would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank you > > > > *Tamayi Mlanda* > > Software Architect > > Spectrum ITS > > 1st Floor, South Wing, Travel Centre > > Cnr 3rd Street/Speke Avenue > > Harare, Zimbabwe > > Mobile: +263 11 803 511 > > Tel: +263 4 799 626 ? 8 > > Fax: +263 4 799 629 > > [image: cid:image001.jpg at 01C7A828.A37DB030] > > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com (use Sinhala Unicode fonts) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From raam.soft at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 16:45:29 2008 From: raam.soft at gmail.com (Ramanarayana) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:15:29 +0530 Subject: Self Introduction Message-ID: Hi folks Iam Ramanarayana currently working as software engineer with two years of work experience in a software firm in India.I am very fascinated to be part of an opensource project like fedora I have knowledge of HTML,Java script,XML and core java.I have experience of developing a web based exam conducting software. Bye -- Thanks and Regards, Ramanarayana.M From spaz926 at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 16:57:23 2008 From: spaz926 at gmail.com (Tyler Carpenter) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:57:23 -0600 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <594846580807060957lb371623oe6acfa85f8c993e2@mail.gmail.com> Hello and welcom Ramanrayana On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Ramanarayana wrote: > Hi folks > > Iam Ramanarayana currently working as software engineer with two years > of work experience in a software firm in India.I am very fascinated to > be part of an opensource project like fedora > > I have knowledge of HTML,Java script,XML and core java.I have > experience of developing a web based exam conducting software. > > > Bye > > -- > Thanks and Regards, > Ramanarayana.M > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > -- Tyler Carpenter spaz926 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Jon From mlanglie at redhat.com Mon Jul 7 18:33:14 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:33:14 -0400 Subject: Fedora Accounts page mockup Message-ID: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> Hi, I took M?ir?n's Fedora Accounts page mockup (http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/FAS/fas-2_reskin.png) and applied some changes: http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_accounts01.png 'Tasks' and 'My Groups Summary' - A grey value hierarchy defines the section boxes. - A light grey background makes this content secondary to the main content. - Lines and bullets are removed. - Content is indented to make section headers scanable. - Numeric data is in a right-aligned column, using a single font size and style. - Type hierarchy: Box Header (larger font size, bold) Section Header (standard font size, bold) content (standard font size, indented) "More..." links (standard font size, italic) 'Account Status' and 'Pending Requests' - Headers use a larger font size to indicate main content. - 'Account Status' content is a larger font size to indicate primary info. - Secondary links are a standard font size and in brackets. - Box borders and vertical chart lines are removed to simplify sections. - Icons are simplified. Search area - "Search" is moved to the input field, to be replaced by query. - Elements are reordered for context. - "Advanced Search" is aligned left. Users can quickly choose between regular or advanced search from the start. Mike From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 7 18:42:59 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:42:59 +0100 Subject: Fedora Accounts page mockup In-Reply-To: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> References: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0807071142u1b247a12y94abf9cd4132a762@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/7 Mike Langlie : > Hi, > > I took M?ir?n's Fedora Accounts page mockup > (http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/FAS/fas-2_reskin.png) and applied > some changes: > > http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_accounts01.png Looks great to me :) Is FAS2 written with turbo gears? If it is, then I think implementing something like this should be a matter of creating a CSS style sheet, which I'd be willing to have a crack at. I'd also be interested in implementing this across Fedora's other websites too (i.e. the highlighted menu entries and the big ACCOUNTS in the top right) - what do people think? I'd also like to seperate core navigation from individual tool links on the right by adding a top-bar... Best, Jon From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 7 19:00:38 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:00:38 -0400 Subject: Fedora Accounts page mockup In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807071142u1b247a12y94abf9cd4132a762@mail.gmail.com> References: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> <507738ef0807071142u1b247a12y94abf9cd4132a762@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487267D6.4080209@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/7/7 Mike Langlie : >> Hi, >> >> I took M?ir?n's Fedora Accounts page mockup >> (http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/FAS/fas-2_reskin.png) and applied >> some changes: >> >> http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_accounts01.png > > Looks great to me :) > > Is FAS2 written with turbo gears? If it is, then I think implementing > something like this should be a matter of creating a CSS style sheet, > which I'd be willing to have a crack at. I'd also be interested in > implementing this across Fedora's other websites too (i.e. the > highlighted menu entries and the big ACCOUNTS in the top right) - what > do people think? > > I'd also like to seperate core navigation from individual tool links > on the right by adding a top-bar... +1! We had a preliminary design for that, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Spins/Mockups (needs a little work) We could do this on the subpages and leave the top line on www.fpo as-is. And integrate the login info into the bar as well. ~m From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 7 19:02:37 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:02:37 +0100 Subject: Fedora Accounts page mockup In-Reply-To: <487267D6.4080209@fedoraproject.org> References: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> <507738ef0807071142u1b247a12y94abf9cd4132a762@mail.gmail.com> <487267D6.4080209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0807071202vfb137d3h2dc711d7f9ad7e48@mail.gmail.com> > +1! > > We had a preliminary design for that, see: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Spins/Mockups > > (needs a little work) > > We could do this on the subpages and leave the top line on www.fpo as-is. > And integrate the login info into the bar as well. I might need a little help with the login info, but I might try and hack the rest of it together this evening :) Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jul 7 19:07:37 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:07:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: meeting reminder for july 7th Message-ID: Meeting at 22:00 UTC (a little under 3 hours from the time this message is sent out) in #fedora-websites I have updated our task list, and we'll run down it tonight. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks Thanks, Max From a.badger at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 20:35:59 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:35:59 -0700 Subject: Fedora Accounts page mockup In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807071142u1b247a12y94abf9cd4132a762@mail.gmail.com> References: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> <507738ef0807071142u1b247a12y94abf9cd4132a762@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48727E2F.9050302@gmail.com> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/7/7 Mike Langlie : >> Hi, >> >> I took M?ir?n's Fedora Accounts page mockup >> (http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/FAS/fas-2_reskin.png) and applied >> some changes: >> >> http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_accounts01.png > > Looks great to me :) > > Is FAS2 written with turbo gears? 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Thanks C From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 8 06:29:56 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:29:56 +0100 Subject: meeting reminder for july 7th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0807072329p429cbe8cvc3d87d4174953abf@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/8 Clint Savage : > 2008/7/7 Craig Thomas : >> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Max Spevack wrote: >>> Meeting at 22:00 UTC (a little under 3 hours from the time this message is >>> sent out) in #fedora-websites >>> >>> I have updated our task list, and we'll run down it tonight. >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks >> > > Are there minutes from this meeting? I'm specifically interested in > putting in my two bits about spins since I couldn't make the meeting. I'll be doing them either later today or tomorrow, let me know what you'd like including and I'll sort it out :) Would probably be a good idea to drop a message to the list in a separate thread too updating everyone about what's happening. Best, Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Jul 8 10:10:23 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:10:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Planet rendering test matrix Message-ID: Ian Weller has put together a page for testing the rendering of Planet across various broswers and platforms, in response to various informal bug reports that we have received. I have added a link to Craig's IE7 patch. Now it's time to publicize. I'll be posting to my blog soon with the URL. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet/TestMatrix --Max From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 8 11:28:21 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:28:21 +0300 Subject: Planet rendering test matrix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48734F55.8000909@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > Ian Weller has put together a page for testing the rendering of Planet > across various broswers and platforms, in response to various informal > bug reports that we have received. > > I have added a link to Craig's IE7 patch. > > Now it's time to publicize. I'll be posting to my blog soon with the URL. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet/TestMatrix I see you marked FF3 + F9 as working OK, so should I understand I am the only seeing the "scroll after images" bug[1] ? Which is so annoying that I am thinking about alternate ways to read planet... [1] - http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/planetfedora.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 13:26:14 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:26:14 -0400 Subject: Planet rendering test matrix In-Reply-To: <48734F55.8000909@nicubunu.ro> References: <48734F55.8000909@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: >> >> Ian Weller has put together a page for testing the rendering of Planet >> across various broswers and platforms, in response to various informal bug >> reports that we have received. >> >> I have added a link to Craig's IE7 patch. >> >> Now it's time to publicize. I'll be posting to my blog soon with the URL. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet/TestMatrix > > I see you marked FF3 + F9 as working OK, so should I understand I am the > only seeing the "scroll after images" bug[1] ? Which is so annoying that I > am thinking about alternate ways to read planet... > > [1] - http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/planetfedora.png Nicu, no, I see that sporadically as well...can you post your .png and comments to that matrix please? Thanks, -- Craig > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 8 14:31:56 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:31:56 +0300 Subject: Planet rendering test matrix In-Reply-To: References: <48734F55.8000909@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48737A5C.6040208@nicubunu.ro> Craig Thomas wrote: > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Max Spevack wrote: >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet/TestMatrix >> I see you marked FF3 + F9 as working OK, so should I understand I am the >> only seeing the "scroll after images" bug[1] ? Which is so annoying that I >> am thinking about alternate ways to read planet... >> >> [1] - http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/planetfedora.png > > Nicu, no, I see that sporadically as well...can you post your .png and > comments to that matrix please? To late, it was reported already by Nigel, so I could only add a confirmation :p https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet/TestMatrix#Fedora.2C_Firefox_3 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Jul 8 16:09:42 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Planet rendering test matrix In-Reply-To: <48734F55.8000909@nicubunu.ro> References: <48734F55.8000909@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I see you marked FF3 + F9 as working OK, so should I understand I am > the only seeing the "scroll after images" bug[1] ? Which is so > annoying that I am thinking about alternate ways to read planet... I was seeing the "scroll after images" bug in beta5, but since I upgraded to 3.0-1, that bug has gone away for me.... What a nasty bug, man. So hard to reproduce accurately. --Max From rnorwood at redhat.com Wed Jul 9 17:55:03 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:55:03 -0400 Subject: Fedora Applications proof-of-concept Message-ID: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Hi, I'm working on a web application called 'Fedora Applications'. I've gotten to the point where I have a publicly available proof-of-concept level web app available. Fedora Applications is designed to be an easy way to find and install applications for Fedora. The public instance is at: http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/amber Feel free to poke around and get a feel for some of the functionality. There's still a lot of warts and every ugly places. Any prettiness is entirely due to help from M?ir?n. Mike Langlie is also going to be helping me get it looking better. One warning - this box isn't considered stable at all, and may go down or implode at any time. If it doesn't work, try again in a few minutes, and then send me an email. The current plan is to style and brand it as a Fedora web application, like Koji, Bodhi, package DB, et al. To that end, any help you guys can give keeping Mike and I in line with the Fedora brand guidelines is much appreciated. The code running Fedora Applications is called 'Amber', and can be found here: https://fedorahosted.org/amber/ Along with a better product definition and other info. Patches cheerfully accepted, of course. If anyone wants git commit access, just apply to the 'gitamber' group in FAS. Thanks, -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From rnorwood at redhat.com Wed Jul 9 17:57:55 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:57:55 -0400 Subject: Fedora Applications proof-of-concept In-Reply-To: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080709135755.6bafb95a@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Top post: And I forgot to thank Luke, Toshio, Ricky, and others on the infrastructure team for help with development and hosting FA. Sorry, guys! -RN On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:55:03 -0400 Robin Norwood wrote: > Hi, > > I'm working on a web application called 'Fedora Applications'. I've > gotten to the point where I have a publicly available proof-of-concept > level web app available. > > Fedora Applications is designed to be an easy way to find and install > applications for Fedora. The public instance is > at: http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/amber > > Feel free to poke around and get a feel for some of the functionality. > There's still a lot of warts and every ugly places. Any prettiness is > entirely due to help from M?ir?n. Mike Langlie is also going to be > helping me get it looking better. > > One warning - this box isn't considered stable at all, and may go down > or implode at any time. If it doesn't work, try again in a few > minutes, and then send me an email. > > The current plan is to style and brand it as a Fedora web application, > like Koji, Bodhi, package DB, et al. To that end, any help you guys > can give keeping Mike and I in line with the Fedora brand guidelines > is much appreciated. > > The code running Fedora Applications is called 'Amber', and can be > found here: > > https://fedorahosted.org/amber/ > > Along with a better product definition and other info. Patches > cheerfully accepted, of course. If anyone wants git commit access, > just apply to the 'gitamber' group in FAS. > > Thanks, > > -RN > -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From mlanglie at redhat.com Wed Jul 9 19:31:55 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:31:55 -0400 Subject: Fedora Applications proof-of-concept In-Reply-To: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4875122B.7030009@redhat.com> Robin Norwood wrote: > Hi, > > I'm working on a web application called 'Fedora Applications'. I've > gotten to the point where I have a publicly available proof-of-concept > level web app available. > > Fedora Applications is designed to be an easy way to find and install > applications for Fedora. The public instance is > at: http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/amber > > https://fedorahosted.org/amber/ Here are mockups reworking the Applications page and an individual application page. http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_apps.png http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_app_page.png The format is based on mockups of Fedora Accounts by M?ir?n and me. http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/FAS/fas-2_reskin.png http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_accounts01.png Icons and images used are here: http://yipyop.com/fedora/amber_images.zip Mike From rnorwood at redhat.com Wed Jul 9 20:36:16 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:36:16 -0400 Subject: Fedora Applications proof-of-concept In-Reply-To: <4875122B.7030009@redhat.com> References: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <4875122B.7030009@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080709163616.17d9f5d0@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:31:55 -0400 Mike Langlie wrote: > Robin Norwood wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm working on a web application called 'Fedora Applications'. I've > > gotten to the point where I have a publicly available > > proof-of-concept level web app available. > > > > Fedora Applications is designed to be an easy way to find and > > install applications for Fedora. The public instance is > > at: http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/amber > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/amber/ > > > Here are mockups reworking the Applications page and an individual > application page. > http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_apps.png > http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_app_page.png > > The format is based on mockups of Fedora Accounts by M?ir?n and > me. http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/FAS/fas-2_reskin.png > http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_accounts01.png > > Icons and images used are here: > http://yipyop.com/fedora/amber_images.zip Cool, those look great. A couple of comments: o CSS - my CSS skills are weak, to say the least. I'll have trouble implementing some of these ideas by myself. o App icons - I can extract the icons from /usr/share/icons when I parse rpms. This is probably a lot better than having you or someone else create an icon for each app. It might be a little tricky to pick the 'right' icon, though. o 'Download' should probably be 'Install' throughout. Or maybe there's a better 'normal user' word for 'I want this app on my computer'? o User ratings on the details page - I haven't quite figured this out, but my general idea was that user ratings would be more along the lines of free-form text. Like "I have used this application to 'Write reports___'", instead of per-category. OTOH, maybe the traditional categories and ratings could be combined somehow. -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From dwheeler at dwheeler.com Wed Jul 9 21:38:57 2008 From: dwheeler at dwheeler.com (David A. Wheeler) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora wiki cannot print due to "fedora.css" problem - here's the fix Message-ID: Hi - currently you can't print any Fedora wiki page due to a problem in "fedora.css". View any page in the Wiki, then try "File->Print Preview"... you'll see that there's no content! E.G., I was trying to print this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CreatingPackageHowTo To fix this, you need to remove the line "overflow: auto;" (line 35) for #wrapper, which currently looks like this: #wrapper { font: normal 1em/1.5 sans-serif; margin-left: 18px; min-height: 100%; background: #FFFFFF url(../images/border-right.png) 100% 0 repeat-y; padding-right: 18px; overflow: auto; } The formatting for printing could use more love, but this change will at least make it work, and that's an improvement. Thanks. --- David A. Wheeler From uno at staver.se Wed Jul 9 21:28:40 2008 From: uno at staver.se (Uno Staver) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:28:40 +0200 Subject: Incorrect download link http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Live/x86_64/Fedora-9-x86_64-Live.iso Message-ID: <8E4C3B6907B84C42BA474C9E19189086@vx> Hello! A few hours ago I downloaded http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Live/x86_64/Fedora-9-x86_64-Live.iso The downloaded file had a size of slightly less than 700MB. I burned it onto a DVD and booted the disk on a 64-bit Intel machine, and found a Fedora 8 Installation menu. Thank you for Fedora! Uno, Linux user since 1993 From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Thu Jul 10 01:03:49 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:03:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora Accounts page mockup In-Reply-To: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> References: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48755FF5.6080602@linuxgrrl.com> Hey Mike! Mike Langlie wrote: > Hi, > > I took M?ir?n's Fedora Accounts page mockup > (http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/FAS/fas-2_reskin.png) and > applied some changes: > > http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_accounts01.png Do you have source for this? I want to add the bar with the login and links to other fpo sites on the top. Thanks, ~m From mlanglie at redhat.com Thu Jul 10 01:52:31 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:52:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora Accounts page mockup In-Reply-To: <48755FF5.6080602@linuxgrrl.com> References: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> <48755FF5.6080602@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <48756B5F.5070402@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey Mike! > > Mike Langlie wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I took M?ir?n's Fedora Accounts page mockup >> (http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/FAS/fas-2_reskin.png) and >> applied some changes: >> >> http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_accounts01.png > > Do you have source for this? I want to add the bar with the login and > links to other fpo sites on the top. > > Thanks, > ~m > I do in Photoshop (ducking from flying bottles). The left nav and header are from your mockup. I have the main content in layers, and could save as pieces if you like. Attached are the icons in case you want 'em. Mike -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: x-11.png Type: image/png Size: 352 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've never had trouble opening PSDs in Gimp at all (not that I've ever worked with many ;-) ) Mike, if you can make the PSD available I can try to convert it to XCF and put it up on the wiki? ~m From martin.t.long at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 23:26:59 2008 From: martin.t.long at gmail.com (Marty Long) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:26:59 -0400 Subject: Error! The following error(s) have occured with your request: * username: The input is not valid Message-ID: <1215646019.3742.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> The user name input field wont take any input that I have tried. I'm trying to sign up to be a content writer/editor. Please help. Also - evolution mail spell check states that occurred is spelled like this. best regards Martin Long From mlanglie at redhat.com Thu Jul 10 02:37:18 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:37:18 -0400 Subject: Fedora Accounts page mockup In-Reply-To: <48756E50.40107@fedoraproject.org> References: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> <48755FF5.6080602@linuxgrrl.com> <48756B5F.5070402@redhat.com> <20080710015609.GA29996@Max> <48756E50.40107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <487575DE.3070303@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Ricky Zhou wrote: >> On 2008-07-09 09:52:31 PM, Mike Langlie wrote: >>> I do in Photoshop (ducking from flying bottles). The left nav and >>> header are from your mockup. I have the main content in layers, and >>> could save as pieces if you like. Attached are the icons in case >>> you want 'em. >> If it helps any, I *think* GIMP opens some version of photoshop files >> (I'm not familiar with any specifics, though). > > I've never had trouble opening PSDs in Gimp at all (not that I've ever > worked with many ;-) ) Mike, if you can make the PSD available I can > try to convert it to XCF and put it up on the wiki? > > ~m You're right, GIMP imported it with hardly a problem. I cleaned up a couple of uncooperative layers. Here's the XCF. Mike -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fedora_accounts01.xcf.zip Type: application/zip Size: 67757 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 02:37:46 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:37:46 -0400 Subject: Error! The following error(s) have occured with your request: * username: The input is not valid In-Reply-To: <1215646019.3742.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1215646019.3742.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080710023746.GB29996@Max> On 2008-07-09 07:26:59 PM, Marty Long wrote: > The user name input field wont take any input that I have tried. I'm > trying to sign up to be a content writer/editor. Please help. Sorry about that useless error message - it should be fixed in the next release of the Account System. Here are the requirements for the username: A valid username must only contain lowercase alphanumeric characters, and must start with a letter. Alternatively, here is the regex that we check against: ^[a-z][a-z0-9]+$ Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I cleaned up a > couple of uncooperative layers. Here's the XCF. [fedora_accounts01.xcf.zip attached] I understand the websites list is not a good place for such kind of reply, but I think it is an useful advice: compressinging with bzip2 or gzip is a much better choice for such files (even if the compression rate is about the same): - you can create the archive easily, just "save as" from Gimp and put a .xcf.bz2 or .xcf.gz extension; - you can open the files easily, just double click on them (in Nautilus) and they will automatically be opened in Gimp (or drag them from desktop in the Gimp window in any OS, I believe); - Nautilus recognize them as images and will generate thumbnails. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mlanglie at redhat.com Thu Jul 10 14:41:49 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:41:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora Accounts page mockup In-Reply-To: <4875B3DE.6030602@nicubunu.ro> References: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> <48755FF5.6080602@linuxgrrl.com> <48756B5F.5070402@redhat.com> <20080710015609.GA29996@Max> <48756E50.40107@fedoraproject.org> <487575DE.3070303@redhat.com> <4875B3DE.6030602@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48761FAD.5070806@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Mike Langlie wrote: >> You're right, GIMP imported it with hardly a problem. I cleaned up a >> couple of uncooperative layers. Here's the XCF. > > [fedora_accounts01.xcf.zip attached] > > I understand the websites list is not a good place for such kind of > reply, but I think it is an useful advice: compressinging with bzip2 > or gzip is a much better choice for such files (even if the > compression rate is about the same): > - you can create the archive easily, just "save as" from Gimp and put > a .xcf.bz2 or .xcf.gz extension; > - you can open the files easily, just double click on them (in > Nautilus) and they will automatically be opened in Gimp (or drag them > from desktop in the Gimp window in any OS, I believe); > - Nautilus recognize them as images and will generate thumbnails. > Thanks Nicu, I didn't know about the GIMP's archiving feature. My only concern is that people using other apps that import GIMP files won't be able to open the archived file automatically. Mike From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 14:59:46 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:59:46 -0400 Subject: Fedora Accounts page mockup In-Reply-To: <48761FAD.5070806@redhat.com> References: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> <48755FF5.6080602@linuxgrrl.com> <48756B5F.5070402@redhat.com> <20080710015609.GA29996@Max> <48756E50.40107@fedoraproject.org> <487575DE.3070303@redhat.com> <4875B3DE.6030602@nicubunu.ro> <48761FAD.5070806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <487623E2.5030602@fedoraproject.org> Mike Langlie wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Mike Langlie wrote: >>> You're right, GIMP imported it with hardly a problem. I cleaned up a >>> couple of uncooperative layers. Here's the XCF. >> >> [fedora_accounts01.xcf.zip attached] >> >> I understand the websites list is not a good place for such kind of >> reply, but I think it is an useful advice: compressinging with bzip2 >> or gzip is a much better choice for such files (even if the >> compression rate is about the same): >> - you can create the archive easily, just "save as" from Gimp and put >> a .xcf.bz2 or .xcf.gz extension; >> - you can open the files easily, just double click on them (in >> Nautilus) and they will automatically be opened in Gimp (or drag them >> from desktop in the Gimp window in any OS, I believe); >> - Nautilus recognize them as images and will generate thumbnails. >> > Thanks Nicu, I didn't know about the GIMP's archiving feature. My only > concern is that people using other apps that import GIMP files won't be > able to open the archived file automatically. What other apps would those be, though? I don't think that's a very common use case, so I wouldn't worry about it. Worst case scenario they need to extract the XCF before opening it. ~m From mlanglie at redhat.com Thu Jul 10 15:23:08 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:23:08 -0400 Subject: Fedora Accounts page mockup In-Reply-To: <487623E2.5030602@fedoraproject.org> References: <4872616A.9020507@redhat.com> <48755FF5.6080602@linuxgrrl.com> <48756B5F.5070402@redhat.com> <20080710015609.GA29996@Max> <48756E50.40107@fedoraproject.org> <487575DE.3070303@redhat.com> <4875B3DE.6030602@nicubunu.ro> <48761FAD.5070806@redhat.com> <487623E2.5030602@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4876295C.3020804@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Mike Langlie wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> Mike Langlie wrote: >>>> You're right, GIMP imported it with hardly a problem. I cleaned up >>>> a couple of uncooperative layers. Here's the XCF. >>> >>> [fedora_accounts01.xcf.zip attached] >>> >>> I understand the websites list is not a good place for such kind of >>> reply, but I think it is an useful advice: compressinging with bzip2 >>> or gzip is a much better choice for such files (even if the >>> compression rate is about the same): >>> - you can create the archive easily, just "save as" from Gimp and >>> put a .xcf.bz2 or .xcf.gz extension; >>> - you can open the files easily, just double click on them (in >>> Nautilus) and they will automatically be opened in Gimp (or drag >>> them from desktop in the Gimp window in any OS, I believe); >>> - Nautilus recognize them as images and will generate thumbnails. >>> >> Thanks Nicu, I didn't know about the GIMP's archiving feature. My >> only concern is that people using other apps that import GIMP files >> won't be able to open the archived file automatically. > > What other apps would those be, though? I don't think that's a very > common use case, so I wouldn't worry about it. Worst case scenario > they need to extract the XCF before opening it. > > ~m You two are right, I'm not thinking straight this morning. Remembering now that I have to export as PNG or something anytime I need to open files in other apps anyway. :) Mike From rnorwood at redhat.com Thu Jul 10 15:26:31 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:26:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora Applications proof-of-concept In-Reply-To: <4875AF81.6040402@nicubunu.ro> References: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <4875122B.7030009@redhat.com> <4875AF81.6040402@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20080710112631.0445239e@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:43:13 +0300 Nicu Buculei wrote: > Mike Langlie wrote: > > > > Here are mockups reworking the Applications page and an individual > > application page. > > http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_apps.png > > http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_app_page.png > > Those are looking good and you saved me a cry about the current > proof-of-concept using the Impact font :D Heh. Yes, it's true, Robin sucks at fonts as well. :-) I recognize my disability, though. What fonts should I use? The only font specification I've got in my custom css (I'm inheriting the fedora css) is: font-family: impact,sans-serif; Suggestions/patches cheerfully suggested. -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 15:36:00 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:36:00 -0400 Subject: Fedora Applications proof-of-concept In-Reply-To: <20080710112631.0445239e@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <4875122B.7030009@redhat.com> <4875AF81.6040402@nicubunu.ro> <20080710112631.0445239e@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48762C60.1080409@fedoraproject.org> Robin Norwood wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:43:13 +0300 > Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Mike Langlie wrote: >>> Here are mockups reworking the Applications page and an individual >>> application page. >>> http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_apps.png >>> http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_app_page.png >> Those are looking good and you saved me a cry about the current >> proof-of-concept using the Impact font :D > > Heh. Yes, it's true, Robin sucks at fonts as well. :-) I recognize > my disability, though. What fonts should I use? The only font > specification I've got in my custom css (I'm inheriting the fedora css) > is: > > font-family: impact,sans-serif; > > Suggestions/patches cheerfully suggested. Why not just inherit the fedora.css's fonts? ~m From rnorwood at redhat.com Thu Jul 10 15:44:22 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:44:22 -0400 Subject: Fedora Applications proof-of-concept In-Reply-To: <48762C60.1080409@fedoraproject.org> References: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <4875122B.7030009@redhat.com> <4875AF81.6040402@nicubunu.ro> <20080710112631.0445239e@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <48762C60.1080409@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080710114422.585cd292@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:36:00 -0400 M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Why not just inherit the fedora.css's fonts? Oh, well, yeah. I think I must've been looking for something a little bit different for the application 'teaser' boxes. I'll just remove that line from my css now. -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 15:49:49 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:49:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora Applications proof-of-concept In-Reply-To: <20080710114422.585cd292@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <4875122B.7030009@redhat.com> <4875AF81.6040402@nicubunu.ro> <20080710112631.0445239e@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <48762C60.1080409@fedoraproject.org> <20080710114422.585cd292@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48762F9D.8020700@fedoraproject.org> Robin Norwood wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:36:00 -0400 > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Why not just inherit the fedora.css's fonts? > > Oh, well, yeah. I think I must've been looking for something a little > bit different for the application 'teaser' boxes. Something with, say, "impact"? bwahahaha sorry I couldn't resist. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 10 15:49:05 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:49:05 +0300 Subject: Fedora Applications proof-of-concept In-Reply-To: <20080710112631.0445239e@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <4875122B.7030009@redhat.com> <4875AF81.6040402@nicubunu.ro> <20080710112631.0445239e@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48762F71.6030802@nicubunu.ro> Robin Norwood wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:43:13 +0300 > Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Mike Langlie wrote: >>> Here are mockups reworking the Applications page and an individual >>> application page. >>> http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_apps.png >>> http://yipyop.com/fedora/images/fedora_app_page.png >> Those are looking good and you saved me a cry about the current >> proof-of-concept using the Impact font :D > > Heh. Yes, it's true, Robin sucks at fonts as well. :-) I recognize > my disability, though. What fonts should I use? The only font > specification I've got in my custom css (I'm inheriting the fedora css) > is: The fonts in Mike's mockup looks just fine. > font-family: impact,sans-serif; > > Suggestions/patches cheerfully suggested. Using "impact" is a sin :p The website is intended for Fedora users (to install Feedora applications or rate the Fedora applications they like) but that font is *not* included in Fedora (it is part of MS Core Fonts), so the average user of the application will not see it as you intended (I noticed because doing graphics I have a lot of fonts installed on my system). This is why is wise to not use fancy fonts in such cases, stay with the basics, fedoraproject.org uses "sans-serif" and does not look bad at all (IMO). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From rnorwood at redhat.com Thu Jul 10 17:58:20 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:58:20 -0400 Subject: Fedora Applications proof-of-concept In-Reply-To: <48762F71.6030802@nicubunu.ro> References: <20080709135503.3b4d0675@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <4875122B.7030009@redhat.com> <4875AF81.6040402@nicubunu.ro> <20080710112631.0445239e@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <48762F71.6030802@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20080710135820.09639c13@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:49:05 +0300 Nicu Buculei wrote: > > font-family: impact,sans-serif; > > > > Suggestions/patches cheerfully suggested. > > Using "impact" is a sin :p > > The website is intended for Fedora users (to install Feedora > applications or rate the Fedora applications they like) but that font > is *not* included in Fedora (it is part of MS Core Fonts), so the > average user of the application will not see it as you intended (I > noticed because doing graphics I have a lot of fonts installed on my > system). > > This is why is wise to not use fancy fonts in such cases, stay with > the basics, fedoraproject.org uses "sans-serif" and does not look bad > at all (IMO). Thanks for the lesson. I've removed the offending font in git. -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From martin.x.long at jpmchase.com Thu Jul 10 18:20:18 2008 From: martin.x.long at jpmchase.com (martin.x.long at jpmchase.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:20:18 -0700 Subject: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/create Message-ID: Hello - I'm getting this error no matter what username I type. Any help would be great. Thanks Martin ----------------------------------------- This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. 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As such I propose the addition of two new name spaces... a) Archive: (without talk pages) Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, and/or are no longer relevant to the general user Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) we can help speed up searches and remove old information from general end users, BUT still be there for those interested. Pages like the old Extras and FSA pages come to mind immediately. b) Meeting: (with talk pages) Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and board/committee/group meeting logs Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, basically, somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can be optionally searched but not by default An alternative to a meeting name space is with proper logging of the meeting channels automatically posting meeting logs on Fedora People (or similar). As for the large pages, well we have pages that are well in excess of the 32KB recommended by the Mediawiki folk, stuff like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChristianIseli/PackageReviewStatus (200KB+) would be better suited to Fedora People, but we don't really have any mandate on this. (it'd be nice to have one). Thoughts, Comments, Suggestions? Nigel From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Jul 11 11:20:05 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:20:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Wiki Business In-Reply-To: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> References: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Nigel Jones wrote: > 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this can be > used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of categories to > pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs to/should happen once in a > while. How do we use it? Do you have any examples? It sounds cool! > 2) Some pages are getting a bit too big, while some are getting useless as > time goes on (information for EOL releases. As such I propose the addition > of two new name spaces... > > a) Archive: (without talk pages) > Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, and/or > are no longer relevant to the general user > Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) we can > help speed up searches and remove old information from general end users, BUT > still be there for those interested. Pages like the old Extras and FSA pages > come to mind immediately. > > b) Meeting: (with talk pages) > Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and > board/committee/group meeting logs > Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, basically, > somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can be optionally > searched but not by default Definitely in favor of the Archive: idea, and don't have a strong preference either way on the Meeting: idea. --Max From dev at nigelj.com Fri Jul 11 11:55:10 2008 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:55:10 +1200 Subject: Wiki Business In-Reply-To: References: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> Message-ID: <48774A1E.4090809@nigelj.com> Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Nigel Jones wrote: > >> 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this >> can be used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of >> categories to pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs >> to/should happen once in a while. > > How do we use it? Do you have any examples? It sounds cool! It's basically on a place a request and I'll find the best way to do it and then do it. Thankfully I have a couple of machines close to PHX with a decent bandwidth allocation so the by request model will work for now. Things that'll run on a regular basis are: * Redirect fixes (when someone creates a 'double-redirect' Mediawiki gets a bit unhappy so it's a good idea to clean these up) * Interwiki updates (this'll happen when l10n wikis are deployed, it'll basically create a cross reference of what pages in the different languages contain what information - VERY useful) * Deletions (note these don't get attributed to the bot) Other common tasks would be: * Template changes * Category additions/changes/removals * Text replacement (note I'm only tentatively listing at the moment) Also, anything else that you can see automated on the Wikimedia wikis via bots, you can let me know and I'll try my best! > >> 2) Some pages are getting a bit too big, while some are getting >> useless as time goes on (information for EOL releases. As such I >> propose the addition of two new name spaces... >> >> a) Archive: (without talk pages) >> Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, >> and/or are no longer relevant to the general user >> Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) >> we can help speed up searches and remove old information from general >> end users, BUT still be there for those interested. Pages like the >> old Extras and FSA pages come to mind immediately. >> >> b) Meeting: (with talk pages) >> Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and >> board/committee/group meeting logs >> Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, >> basically, somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can >> be optionally searched but not by default > > Definitely in favor of the Archive: idea, and don't have a strong > preference either way on the Meeting: idea. K, thanks for the input Max! - Nigel From dev at nigelj.com Fri Jul 11 13:54:57 2008 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:54:57 +1200 Subject: Wiki Business In-Reply-To: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> References: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> Message-ID: <48776631.90600@nigelj.com> Nigel Jones wrote: > Hi all, two items of business that I want to bring up > > 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this > can be used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of > categories to pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs > to/should happen once in a while. > 2) Some pages are getting a bit too big, while some are getting > useless as time goes on (information for EOL releases. As such I > propose the addition of two new name spaces... > > a) Archive: (without talk pages) > Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, > and/or are no longer relevant to the general user > Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) we > can help speed up searches and remove old information from general end > users, BUT still be there for those interested. Pages like the old > Extras and FSA pages come to mind immediately. > > b) Meeting: (with talk pages) > Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and > board/committee/group meeting logs > Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, > basically, somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can be > optionally searched but not by default There is a third... c) QA: (with talk pages) Purpose - Allow QA folks to store software test-cases off the beaten track Benefits - Ease of access for QA members, out of the way for users/developers, not searched on default, but still searchable if people want to Notes - This comes from https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/588 Testopia didn't quite work out and they are still unsure, so if noone has any objections, I'd like to approve this request on the basis of "It's okay with us, just let us know if/when you want to use it". Speak now or forever hold your peace! - Nigel > > An alternative to a meeting name space is with proper logging of the > meeting channels automatically posting meeting logs on Fedora People > (or similar). > > As for the large pages, well we have pages that are well in excess of > the 32KB recommended by the Mediawiki folk, stuff like > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChristianIseli/PackageReviewStatus > (200KB+) would be better suited to Fedora People, but we don't really > have any mandate on this. (it'd be nice to have one). > > Thoughts, Comments, Suggestions? > > Nigel > From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 15:55:10 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:55:10 +0000 Subject: Wiki Business In-Reply-To: <48776631.90600@nigelj.com> References: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> <48776631.90600@nigelj.com> Message-ID: <1215791710.8058.37.camel@victoria> On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 01:54 +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > Nigel Jones wrote: > > Hi all, two items of business that I want to bring up > > > > 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this > > can be used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of > > categories to pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs > > to/should happen once in a while. > > 2) Some pages are getting a bit too big, while some are getting > > useless as time goes on (information for EOL releases. As such I > > propose the addition of two new name spaces... > > > > a) Archive: (without talk pages) > > Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, > > and/or are no longer relevant to the general user > > Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) we > > can help speed up searches and remove old information from general end > > users, BUT still be there for those interested. Pages like the old > > Extras and FSA pages come to mind immediately. > > > > b) Meeting: (with talk pages) > > Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and > > board/committee/group meeting logs > > Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, > > basically, somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can be > > optionally searched but not by default > There is a third... > > c) QA: (with talk pages) > Purpose - Allow QA folks to store software test-cases off the beaten track > Benefits - Ease of access for QA members, out of the way for > users/developers, not searched on default, but still searchable if > people want to > Notes - This comes from > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/588 Testopia > didn't quite work out and they are still unsure, so if noone has any > objections, I'd like to approve this request on the basis of "It's okay > with us, just let us know if/when you want to use it". > > Speak now or forever hold your peace! With the first two, there's a definite positive return in reducing the visibility of the pages. In the former, it's the whole point, and in the latter, it keeps long pages out of the limelight, while still allowing searchability. But remember that one of the keys to Fedora is transparency. The problems with Testopia can be solved in the medium-term, and the reduction in searchability for QA stuff is, to me, not a win. Keep in mind that I live with a highly-organized wife, so no slight intended, but am I missing the point in this level of binning in the case of a QA: namespace? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been using the Fedora Logo colours... c) There's some bits of the CSS that still need fixing, like the top border on the content section covering the right background/border image There's a screenshot of what I've done so far at: http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fp_home1.png There's also a screenshot of an old take that no longer has code where the top nav bar is a different colour and looks a little better to me: http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fp_home.png Best, Jon From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 16:42:17 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:42:17 -0400 Subject: Top nav bar help In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807110905p9917304m9951fa34f1526225@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807110905p9917304m9951fa34f1526225@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > I got a chance to sit down and work on the top nav bar and also on > making the home page look a little more like the one the design for > Fedora App DB but I could do with some help: > > a) How can I get my local git repo into Fedora People so other people > can grab my version? Hi Jon, I posted an e-mail /link in April that i think may help with a) : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-April/msg00039.html https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CraigThomas/PersonalGitRepo Note Ricky's response concerning ACLs and commit access for others. Cheers, -- Craig From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 16:54:00 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:54:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Wiki Business In-Reply-To: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> References: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Nigel Jones wrote: > Hi all, two items of business that I want to bring up > > 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this can be > used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of categories to > pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs to/should happen once in a > while. Woo! > 2) Some pages are getting a bit too big, while some are getting useless as > time goes on (information for EOL releases. As such I propose the addition > of two new name spaces... > > a) Archive: (without talk pages) > Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, and/or > are no longer relevant to the general user > Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) we can > help speed up searches and remove old information from general end users, BUT > still be there for those interested. Pages like the old Extras and FSA pages > come to mind immediately. > It's either this, or delete 'em. You can also do some hacks with MediaWiki to automatically include something on a page depending on the namespace; I know it's possible, but I'd have to look into it more. +1 > b) Meeting: (with talk pages) > Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and > board/committee/group meeting logs > Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, basically, > somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can be optionally > searched but not by default > +1 > An alternative to a meeting name space is with proper logging of the meeting > channels automatically posting meeting logs on Fedora People (or similar). > We not only don't have this *yet*, but also I think it would still be good for the future-bot to talk to Wikibot and get the pages on the wiki automatically... with talk pages, of course. You bring up another excellent point here, though -- the process for proposing namespaces and getting them decided on and processed. Maybe Karsten can provide some input here (nudge, nudge). > As for the large pages, well we have pages that are well in excess of the > 32KB recommended by the Mediawiki folk, stuff like > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChristianIseli/PackageReviewStatus (200KB+) > would be better suited to Fedora People, but we don't really have any mandate > on this. (it'd be nice to have one). > What we need is a mandate to keep pages below 32 KB. That means either splitting them up into separate pages, or storing them elsewhere. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From juankprada at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 18:07:56 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:07:56 -0500 Subject: Top nav bar help In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807110905p9917304m9951fa34f1526225@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807110905p9917304m9951fa34f1526225@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1215799676.3196.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 17:05 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > I got a chance to sit down and work on the top nav bar and also on > making the home page look a little more like the one the design for > Fedora App DB but I could do with some help: > > a) How can I get my local git repo into Fedora People so other people > can grab my version? > b) The colours don't look quite right to me. I've been using the > Fedora Logo colours... > c) There's some bits of the CSS that still need fixing, like the top > border on the content section covering the right background/border > image > > There's a screenshot of what I've done so far at: > > http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fp_home1.png > > There's also a screenshot of an old take that no longer has code where > the top nav bar is a different colour and looks a little better to me: > > http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fp_home.png > > Best, > > Jon > Im not sure i like the idea of having the navigation links on the top nav bar. I think it looks too hidden to the user that way (maybe making the links more noticeable would work...?..) I would suggest leaving the navigation links on the left nav column and in exchange setting the tools (Planet, Wiki... etc) on the top as they seem more like some other sites and not really the navigation for the fp.o site anyway... it does look good to have a navigation bar on the top.. good work JonRob :) -- Juan Camilo Prada jprada at fedoraproject.org Gtalk:juankprada at gmail.com From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 11 19:21:51 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:21:51 +0100 Subject: Top nav bar help In-Reply-To: <1215799676.3196.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0807110905p9917304m9951fa34f1526225@mail.gmail.com> <1215799676.3196.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0807111221p66ff7f0l1f0737f74afcc8db@mail.gmail.com> > Im not sure i like the idea of having the navigation links on the top > nav bar. I think it looks too hidden to the user that way (maybe making > the links more noticeable would work...?..) This design was based on Mo's spins page design, and I think quite works well because it could be consistent across all fedora web sites providing a consistent place for users to turn to for general navigation around the page. It could also take the login links etc where applicable. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Spins/Mockup/ That said, I'm open to feedback :) > anyway... it does look good to have a navigation bar on the top.. good > work JonRob :) Thanks...also the code is now available for people to use and tweak: git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~jonrob/fedora-web/ Would love a bit of help! Giarc, I didn't use your instructions in the end but Jeremy Katz's that he posted a while ago - think he's made some changes to make it easier so you might want to take a look at that: http://katzj.livejournal.com/430978.html Jon From juankprada at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 23:05:49 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:05:49 -0500 Subject: Top nav bar help In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807111221p66ff7f0l1f0737f74afcc8db@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807110905p9917304m9951fa34f1526225@mail.gmail.com> <1215799676.3196.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0807111221p66ff7f0l1f0737f74afcc8db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/7/11 Jonathan Roberts : > > Im not sure i like the idea of having the navigation links on the top > > nav bar. I think it looks too hidden to the user that way (maybe making > > the links more noticeable would work...?..) > > This design was based on Mo's spins page design, and I think quite > works well because it could be consistent across all fedora web sites > providing a consistent place for users to turn to for general > navigation around the page. It could also take the login links etc > where applicable. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Spins/Mockup/ > > That said, I'm open to feedback :) > Yeap i already looked into those mockups but take into a count that in those examples, the top navigation bar shows links to sites that are not part of the spins site and provide easy access to the other fedora tools/sites different from the spins site links Now in the mockup you made, the links on the top are actually the fp.o navigation links and we left to the left navigation column all other links to other fedora tools/sites which is exactly the opposite to what Mo did on her mockups > > > anyway... it does look good to have a navigation bar on the top.. good > > work JonRob :) > > Thanks...also the code is now available for people to use and tweak: > > git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~jonrob/fedora-web/ > > Would love a bit of help! Giarc, I didn't use your instructions in the > end but Jeremy Katz's that he posted a while ago - think he's made > some changes to make it easier so you might want to take a look at > that: > > http://katzj.livejournal.com/430978.html > > Jon > I would like to help on this, but new job has got all my time so far (i hope i can have some free time later to work on this and the spins section) Juank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dev at nigelj.com Sat Jul 12 00:21:56 2008 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:21:56 +1200 Subject: Wiki Business In-Reply-To: <1215791710.8058.37.camel@victoria> References: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> <48776631.90600@nigelj.com> <1215791710.8058.37.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <4877F924.2060901@nigelj.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 01:54 +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > >> Nigel Jones wrote: >> >>> Hi all, two items of business that I want to bring up >>> >>> 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this >>> can be used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of >>> categories to pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs >>> to/should happen once in a while. >>> 2) Some pages are getting a bit too big, while some are getting >>> useless as time goes on (information for EOL releases. As such I >>> propose the addition of two new name spaces... >>> >>> a) Archive: (without talk pages) >>> Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, >>> and/or are no longer relevant to the general user >>> Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) we >>> can help speed up searches and remove old information from general end >>> users, BUT still be there for those interested. Pages like the old >>> Extras and FSA pages come to mind immediately. >>> >>> b) Meeting: (with talk pages) >>> Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and >>> board/committee/group meeting logs >>> Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, >>> basically, somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can be >>> optionally searched but not by default >>> >> There is a third... >> >> c) QA: (with talk pages) >> Purpose - Allow QA folks to store software test-cases off the beaten track >> Benefits - Ease of access for QA members, out of the way for >> users/developers, not searched on default, but still searchable if >> people want to >> Notes - This comes from >> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/588 Testopia >> didn't quite work out and they are still unsure, so if noone has any >> objections, I'd like to approve this request on the basis of "It's okay >> with us, just let us know if/when you want to use it". >> >> Speak now or forever hold your peace! >> > > With the first two, there's a definite positive return in reducing the > visibility of the pages. In the former, it's the whole point, and in > the latter, it keeps long pages out of the limelight, while still > allowing searchability. > > But remember that one of the keys to Fedora is transparency. The > problems with Testopia can be solved in the medium-term, and the > reduction in searchability for QA stuff is, to me, not a win. Keep in > mind that I live with a highly-organized wife, so no slight intended, > but am I missing the point in this level of binning in the case of a QA: > namespace? > Okay, my understanding on the QA team's purpose for the namespace is this: * General pages (about the QA team, what they do) remain in the main namespace (under QA/*) * Testcases (what would have been in testopia) would be placed in the QA namespace (QA:*) It's a very subtle difference from what really is of interest to everyone (about the group) and what is specifically targetted to QA team members in Fedora and other FOSS projects. It's nowhere near something to pull the wool over someone's eyes. - Nigel From stickster at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 00:51:28 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:51:28 +0000 Subject: Wiki Business In-Reply-To: <4877F924.2060901@nigelj.com> References: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> <48776631.90600@nigelj.com> <1215791710.8058.37.camel@victoria> <4877F924.2060901@nigelj.com> Message-ID: <1215823888.18603.2.camel@victoria> On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 12:21 +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 01:54 +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > > > >> Nigel Jones wrote: > >> > >>> Hi all, two items of business that I want to bring up > >>> > >>> 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this > >>> can be used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of > >>> categories to pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs > >>> to/should happen once in a while. > >>> 2) Some pages are getting a bit too big, while some are getting > >>> useless as time goes on (information for EOL releases. As such I > >>> propose the addition of two new name spaces... > >>> > >>> a) Archive: (without talk pages) > >>> Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, > >>> and/or are no longer relevant to the general user > >>> Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) we > >>> can help speed up searches and remove old information from general end > >>> users, BUT still be there for those interested. Pages like the old > >>> Extras and FSA pages come to mind immediately. > >>> > >>> b) Meeting: (with talk pages) > >>> Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and > >>> board/committee/group meeting logs > >>> Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, > >>> basically, somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can be > >>> optionally searched but not by default > >>> > >> There is a third... > >> > >> c) QA: (with talk pages) > >> Purpose - Allow QA folks to store software test-cases off the beaten track > >> Benefits - Ease of access for QA members, out of the way for > >> users/developers, not searched on default, but still searchable if > >> people want to > >> Notes - This comes from > >> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/588 Testopia > >> didn't quite work out and they are still unsure, so if noone has any > >> objections, I'd like to approve this request on the basis of "It's okay > >> with us, just let us know if/when you want to use it". > >> > >> Speak now or forever hold your peace! > >> > > > > With the first two, there's a definite positive return in reducing the > > visibility of the pages. In the former, it's the whole point, and in > > the latter, it keeps long pages out of the limelight, while still > > allowing searchability. > > > > But remember that one of the keys to Fedora is transparency. The > > problems with Testopia can be solved in the medium-term, and the > > reduction in searchability for QA stuff is, to me, not a win. Keep in > > mind that I live with a highly-organized wife, so no slight intended, > > but am I missing the point in this level of binning in the case of a QA: > > namespace? > > > Okay, my understanding on the QA team's purpose for the namespace is this: > > * General pages (about the QA team, what they do) remain in the main > namespace (under QA/*) > * Testcases (what would have been in testopia) would be placed in the QA > namespace (QA:*) > > It's a very subtle difference from what really is of interest to > everyone (about the group) and what is specifically targetted to QA team > members in Fedora and other FOSS projects. > > It's nowhere near something to pull the wool over someone's eyes. Sure, not meaning to imply anyone's being all sneaky-like. :-) The way you just explained it, clarifies quite a lot, thanks. -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 01:52:06 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:52:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Wiki Business In-Reply-To: <4877F924.2060901@nigelj.com> References: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> <48776631.90600@nigelj.com> <1215791710.8058.37.camel@victoria> <4877F924.2060901@nigelj.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Nigel Jones wrote: > Okay, my understanding on the QA team's purpose for the namespace is this: > > * General pages (about the QA team, what they do) remain in the main > namespace (under QA/*) > * Testcases (what would have been in testopia) would be placed in the QA > namespace (QA:*) > > It's a very subtle difference from what really is of interest to everyone > (about the group) and what is specifically targetted to QA team members in > Fedora and other FOSS projects. > This was also my understanding to how the wiki would be organized. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From mhideo at redhat.com Fri Jul 11 01:49:46 2008 From: mhideo at redhat.com (Michael Hideo Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:49:46 +1000 Subject: Fedora Project Web Forums Message-ID: <1215740986.30790.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Does fedoraproject.org have user moderated web forums available? Cheers, Mike From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 13 18:15:25 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:15:25 +0100 Subject: Fedora Project Web Forums In-Reply-To: <1215740986.30790.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1215740986.30790.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0807131115q1cad692cla2b9822300e21751@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mike, 2008/7/11 Michael Hideo Smith : > Does fedoraproject.org have user moderated web forums available? The Fedora Project has endorsed http://fedoraforum.org. I hope this helps, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 13 18:15:21 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:45:21 +0530 Subject: Fedora Project Web Forums In-Reply-To: <1215740986.30790.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1215740986.30790.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <487A4639.6050506@fedoraproject.org> Michael Hideo Smith wrote: > Does fedoraproject.org have user moderated web forums available? Nope. There is a independent website http://fedoraforum.org which we have endorsed long back. Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 13 20:17:07 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:17:07 +0100 Subject: Meeting Minutes 2008-07-07 Message-ID: <507738ef0807131317h62396fe1lcf0846d6cbd0172d@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the delay, minutes are here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-07-07 And log is below. Best, Jon ----------------------------- --- Log opened Tue Jul 08 00:00:00 2008 --- Day changed Tue Jul 08 2008 00:00 < spevack> ====== BEGIN FEDORA WEBSITES MEETING ====== 00:00 < spevack> ok everyone, let's begin 00:00 < spevack> JonRob: right on :00 for you :) 00:00 ... join!#fedora-websites -> epkphoto(n=epkphoto at ip98-169-237-170.dc.dc.cox.net) 00:00 < spevack> for me it's even better -- 00:00:00 for the timestamp 00:00 < ricky> :-) 00:00 < spevack> let's do an official roll call, if you will 00:00 < JonRob> makes it all worthwhile! 00:00 < ianweller> ah, the magic of ntp... 00:00 < spevack> Max Spevack 00:00 * ianweller lurks 00:00 < JonRob> Jonathan Roberts 00:00 < ricky> Ricky Zhou 00:01 < epkphoto> Eric Kerby 00:01 < fchiulli> Frank Chiulli 00:01 < spevack> giarc around? 00:02 < spevack> epkphoto: at the risk of embarassing myself, I'll say that I don't recognize your name immediately... have you been lurking for a while, are you an old-timer who's not been around for a bit, or am I just blind and dumb? 00:02 * quaid is here 00:02 < spevack> hey karsten 00:02 < epkphoto> lurking more or less 00:02 < spevack> well cool, good to have you here epkphoto 00:02 * spevack was expecting an answer of "I've been a Fedora contributor since 2005, you insensitive clod!" 00:03 < spevack> ok... let's look at our agenda. 00:03 < epkphoto> one day after college stops consuming my life, I'll be more recognizable :) 00:03 < spevack> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks 00:03 < spevack> pull ^^^^^ up if you all will 00:03 < spevack> epkphoto: what year are you? where you located? 00:03 ... join!#fedora-websites -> ryanlerch(n=ryan at 203.34.177.232) 00:03 < spevack> ok, let's start at the beginning. 00:03 < spevack> I was asked to add Planet to our task list 00:03 * abadger1999 here 00:04 < epkphoto> spevack: graduating in May 2009...located in US/Eastern...specifically NY and VA 00:04 < spevack> namely, we need someone to go through and test planet.fedoraproject.org on Macintoshes, Windows, etc. We need a cross-platform and major-browser test matrix 00:04 < spevack> people have been traveling during the holidays, using random computers, and seeing breakage. 00:04 < spevack> So, who's got access to something other than Fedora? 00:04 < ricky> And Firefox on Linux still has that stupid scrolling problem :-( 00:04 * ianweller has seen breakage on his home computer, on fedora, on firefox-3.0-1 :( 00:04 * ricky could never find out what caused that 00:05 < ianweller> well, the scrolling problem, that is 00:05 < JonRob> i have a mac so can't test os x - though i'll have to reinstall 00:05 < JonRob> can* 00:05 < spevack> Well, I'd like to do this in a slightly organized way 00:05 < epkphoto> i may be able to do some Mac OS X testing 00:05 < spevack> 1) simple page on fp.org/wiki/Planet/Matrix that lists the basic OSs and browsers we want to test look and feel in 00:05 < spevack> 2) a section under each where we can describe problems 00:06 < JonRob> ah ok, good idea! 00:06 < spevack> so that giarc or anyone else hacking on the CSS can have a place to know what's going on... I'm trying to keep us away from a trac instance 00:06 < spevack> that just feels like overkill to me 00:06 ... join!#fedora-websites -> giarc_touch(n=mobile at 32.138.69.195) 00:07 < ricky> Speak of the devil :-) 00:07 < spevack> so would someone like to volunteer to create that matrix, send a note to the list, and then get some volunteers to try them out? This is not a complex task -- let's just hit the 4 or 5 highlights and then have a report to give giarc_touch 00:07 < spevack> giarc_touch: howdy 00:07 * ianweller could create the matrix tomorrow 00:07 < giarc_touch> hi 00:07 < ricky> giarc_touch: What different browsers/platforms do you have access to? 00:07 < spevack> giarc_touch: we're talking about building a little QA team for you to test planet.fedoraproject.org across a few different browsers and platforms 00:08 < giarc_touch> cool 00:08 < spevack> ianweller: that would be great. but i'm a little sensitive to giving you stuff this week, unless you're sure you have time for it 00:08 < ianweller> tomorrow i've got nothing going on 00:08 < spevack> ianweller: sounds good, then. thanks! 00:08 < ianweller> shouldn't take too long to get ready 00:08 < spevack> I think you need: 00:08 < spevack> Windows -- IE & Firefox 00:08 < spevack> Mac -- Safari & Firefox 00:09 < giarc_touch> i 00:09 < spevack> Fedora -- Firefox and Epiphany 00:09 < giarc_touch> oops 00:09 < spevack> that probably covers most of it 00:09 < spevack> giarc_touch: go ahead 00:09 < ricky> And maybe Konqueror and possible Opera 00:09 < JonRob> + konq? 00:09 < spevack> ricky: +1 00:09 < ianweller> ok for internet exploder do we care about version 6? 00:09 * spevack presents himself to the KDE guys for a whipping 00:09 < giarc_touch> what issues are we having? 00:10 * spevack only cares about the latest version 00:10 < ricky> ianweller: We should really try to 00:10 < ianweller> i think we should definitely do $currentversion and $currentversion-1 00:10 < spevack> giarc_touch: vague reports of "it looks bad on non-Fedora firefox". That is why we're trying to get volunteers to look at it and either be specific, or just have it go away :) 00:10 < spevack> ianweller: sure. 00:10 < giarc_touch> ok 00:11 < spevack> ianweller: shoot for the stars, and we'll see what kind of volunteers we can rustle up. 00:11 < ianweller> will do. 00:11 < spevack> giarc_touch: i want to come to you with specific cases and screenshots, or not bother you at all 00:11 < spevack> ianweller: ask people to include screenshots with their complaints, it will help giarc_touch a lot 00:11 < ianweller> ok 00:11 < quaid> make sure there is room for >1 person to comment per matrix cell 00:12 < ricky> test case #1: press page down until you reach the bottom - make sure that there are no problems 00:12 * ricky is semi-convinced that this is a Firefox bug 00:12 < ricky> Er, gecko 00:12 < spevack> yeah, it doesn't even have to be a table quaid. Just various sections of the page where people can describe problems or screenshots, etc.... i'm sure we'll work it out. 00:12 < ianweller> we could have a matrix that has anchor links to different sections/pages 00:13 < quaid> +2 00:13 < spevack> ianweller: indeed. In cases like this, i advocate the simplest tool that will allow us to solve the problem :) 00:13 < ianweller> i'm out, bbl 00:13 < ianweller> i'll read logs 00:13 < quaid> that would work nice 00:13 < quaid> ciao 00:13 ... nick!ianweller -> ianweller_afk 00:13 < spevack> ok, let's move on then, since this is pretty well resolved. 00:13 < spevack> ianweller_afk: thanks dude 00:14 < spevack> mizmo-out is not here, so we'll set aside spins.fp.o for the moment. 00:14 < spevack> get-fedora is on the list... juank isn't here but giarc_touch is... let me ask quickly, where do we currently stand on mockups for the next iteration of get-fedora? 00:14 < spevack> i know there's something out there, but i have forgotten where it is. 00:16 < spevack> while we wait on giarc_touch .... ricky, do you have any Websites/Infrastructure topics you need to bring up tonight? 00:16 < spevack> am i all by myself? 00:16 < quaid> yes 00:16 * spevack screams into the ether 00:16 < ricky> I still haven't had much luck making the buildscript friendlier :-( 00:16 < quaid> uh, I mean, no 00:17 < ricky> The few leads from before turned out to have problems 00:17 < spevack> ricky: what kind of problems? 00:17 < spevack> they didn't have enough programming chops to do stuff? 00:17 < ricky> The ${Markup(_(' '))} stuff - I still haven't been able to shake it 00:18 < spevack> ricky: how does that relate to problems with the leads we got from people who said they might be interested in helping? 00:18 < ricky> I don't completely remember what happened with those (I was gone all last week) 00:19 < ricky> I think I've sent a few emails describing the problems that we're facing, but no clear solutions yet 00:20 < fchiulli> ricky: what kind of help do you need? 00:20 < spevack> ricky: well, would you like me to follow up with them, do you want to, or what? what is the best way, overall, that we can help you out, either technically or from a recruiting point of view? 00:21 < ricky> Mostly planning out how to handle translations well. I don't think our current workflow is working as well as it could be. 00:21 < JonRob> i'm a bit clueless on this stuff 00:21 < JonRob> but does turbo gears make this kind of thing easier? 00:22 < JonRob> could we leverage toshio et al? 00:22 < ricky> I spoke with couf a while back (sent to the list with subject "A conversation about website translation") that describes some of the current problems. 00:23 < ricky> One question is whether po files works for website translations 00:24 < ricky> It's a pretty specific situation - unlike the documentation team, we don't follow any specific schedule or anything. 00:25 < spevack> ricky: can glezos help here somehow? 00:25 < ricky> So what could be the costs/benefits to having some sort of release cycle for the website? 00:25 < ricky> spevack: I haven't spoken to him recently - I'll definitely see if he has any thoughts 00:26 < spevack> ricky: is it fair to say that we already have the *basics* of a release cycle for the website, and perhaps just need to beef up the process a bit? 00:27 < ricky> Maybe. I'm trying to think about all of this while keeping my mind on the future of our website. Do we want to expand a lot from what we have now in terms of content? 00:28 < quaid> specifically the problem with the markup is that it is a pain to author in the original language 00:28 < quaid> since it makes PO files, that part is solved, right? 00:28 < ricky> Definitely - that's a specific technical problem that I haven't been able to solve :-( 00:29 < quaid> I wonder if we are re-inventing a hamster wheel that someone else (e.g. Drupal) has resolved ... 00:29 < quaid> s/Drupal/$CMS/ 00:29 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> tw2113("Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.") 00:31 < spevack> so what's the path forward here? 00:31 < spevack> i need something to write on the task page along with a check in date 00:31 < spevack> :) 00:31 < spevack> 'cause that's how i roll 00:32 < JonRob> eh, we all love task lists - at least i do 00:33 < spevack> hello? ricky? 00:33 * spevack shakes the internet and smacks it like a malfunctioning toaster 00:33 < ricky> Heh, sorry 00:34 < ricky> Just thinking... 00:34 < ricky> quaid's CMS mention is sounding pretty tempting, honestly. 00:34 * quaid nods his head 00:35 < quaid> and if anyone says Plone ... 00:35 < quaid> I'll smack ya! 00:35 < ricky> Thank you :-P 00:35 < spevack> quaid: /nick mrT :) 00:35 * JonRob wonders hat happened to plone in the end 00:35 * JonRob ducks 00:36 < quaid> looks like there ht be some options written in TG 00:36 < spevack> so, should we make this topic #1 next week? 00:37 < spevack> if so, what do we need to do this week to have it be useful conversation next week? 00:37 < ricky> I'm curious about what everybody's vision for the website is 00:37 < ricky> As in, how much will we expand from what we have now? What should be on the wiki vs. on the website? 00:39 < spevack> static stuff that changes at release, with minor updates mid-release == website 00:39 < spevack> everything else == wiki 00:39 < JonRob> do we want to pull docs etc into the same structure? 00:39 < ricky> This can help us decide how useful a CMS would be to us and what to look for in a solution 00:40 < spevack> that's a vision for www.fedoraproject.org -- spins.fp.o is a totally separate creature. 00:40 < ricky> JonRob: I don't think docs and websites will end up using the same tools 00:40 < spevack> but i assume ricky you are talking about www.fp.o 00:40 < ricky> That I am 00:40 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> giarc_touch(Connection timed out) 00:41 < quaid> +1 to /*ANY*/ CMS for docs.fp.org 00:42 < ricky> But I mean content-wise - will it pretty much stay like it is now? 00:42 < JonRob> ricky: there's a few small additions i'd like to make at some point 00:42 < ricky> quaid: So we're not going to end up using publican to just generate them all? 00:42 < JonRob> but i guess so 00:42 < spevack> two questions: 00:42 < quaid> ricky: publican only does part of the picture. 00:42 < spevack> 1) quaid, can't docs make a decision on CMS pretty much "on its own"? 00:43 * quaid could see how to hack it with publican and cronjob, but that is juts ore of the same 00:43 < spevack> 2) ricky, are you trying to get at whether www.fp.o needs to run on top of a CMS or on top of custom build/publish scripts? 00:43 < quaid> spevack: not without an army of code monkeys at my command 00:44 < ricky> spevack: That and what would the requirements be for a solution 00:44 < spevack> do we have a sitemap for www.fp.o similar to the one mizmo-out made for spins.fp.o? 00:44 < spevack> if not, we need one. 00:44 < spevack> it will show us the present, and also the potential future 00:44 < spevack> and really help with a whole bunch of decisions that need to be made 00:45 < spevack> agreed, or no? is that where this conversation ultimately goes, in order to be able to make a smart decision 00:45 < spevack> ? 00:45 < JonRob> +1 00:46 < ricky> Yeah 00:46 < spevack> ok... /me makes a note of that. 00:46 < spevack> and jonrob will have it in the minutes too 00:46 * ricky notes the "Fedora Website" document in gobby 00:46 < quaid> yes, we need to see a massive site map that shows the roles of sub-domains as well 00:47 < spevack> quaid: indeed 00:47 < quaid> so we can be clear wtf docs.fp.o is for, or realize it's redundant or whatever 00:47 < quaid> btw, TG-based CMS doesn't seem in process; it was a GSoC idea this year that no one is doing 00:48 < spevack> ok, this is a good task, and a very important one. 00:48 < quaid> if the TurboGears project says it's not really happening ... 00:48 * spevack was referring to the sitemap... 00:48 < quaid> http://www.pagodacms.org/ 00:48 < quaid> right, sorry, jumping all over here 00:48 < spevack> ok, what else do we need to talk about tonight? almost 1 AM for me and I am fading fast 00:49 < spevack> pagoda seems interesting 00:49 * quaid reads their trac instance 00:49 < ricky> Age: 8 months :-( 00:50 < spevack> what else, guys? any other business people want to bring up? 00:51 < JonRob> silence is golden! 00:52 < spevack> ok, then i declare this meeting over. 00:52 * JonRob hopes spevack logged again? 00:52 < ricky> I have a log if you need it 00:52 < spevack> I have some thinking/reorganizing/etc of our task list to do this week. I think we need to cull the chaff, and focus on planet and other L&F, spins, and www and that's it. 00:53 * spevack will try to get something together for folks to think on this week 00:53 < spevack> JonRob: i'll send you the log. 00:53 < spevack> ===== MEETING OVER ===== 00:53 < spevack> thanks for coming, everyone! 00:53 < JonRob> cool cheers 00:53 < spevack> really appreciate your time 00:53 < ricky> Thanks From oisin.feeley at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 21:02:00 2008 From: oisin.feeley at gmail.com (Oisin Feeley) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:02:00 -0400 Subject: Exporting to plaintext for FWN Message-ID: Hi all, Two questions concerning the method by which Fedora Weekly News is turned from a wikipage into plaintext for email purposes: 1. If we use external wikilinks (such as [http://someurl.com Some URL] in what format will these be rendered during export to plaintext? 2. How/where is the plaintext generated? If someone can point me to appropriate reading material on this then I'd be grateful. I Googled around for information on general MediaWiki exporting and only found information about XML exporting. A brief search of the last 5 months of this mailing list's archives also revealed nothing. Thanks for any assistance, Oisin Feeley From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 01:17:03 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:17:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Exporting to plaintext for FWN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Oisin Feeley wrote: > 1. If we use external wikilinks (such as [http://someurl.com Some URL] > in what format will these be rendered during export to plaintext? > Normally, it's something like Some URL [1] [1] http://someurl.com > 2. How/where is the plaintext generated? > It isn't, yet. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 11:23:36 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:23:36 -0400 Subject: Exporting to plaintext for FWN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1216034616.24527.5.camel@victoria> On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 20:17 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Oisin Feeley wrote: > > > 1. If we use external wikilinks (such as [http://someurl.com Some URL] > > in what format will these be rendered during export to plaintext? > > > Normally, it's something like Some URL [1] > > [1] http://someurl.com > > > 2. How/where is the plaintext generated? > > > It isn't, yet. Yesterday I did some preliminary packaging of python-mwlib (and one of its deps, odfpy): http://pfrields.fedoraproject.org/packages/SRPMS/ These packages might be helpful. The DocBook converter is decent -- produces valid DocBook XML, but there are occasional mistakes like including a trailing period in link URLs if they occur at the end of a sentence. That kind of mistake wouldn't matter once you did a conversion to text using a standard tool like xmlto. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If by chance someone else is in that room, go to #fedora-websites Here is your trusty task list, which I updated last week, so we'll take it from there with whoever is around. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks --Max From kwade at redhat.com Mon Jul 14 18:38:29 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:38:29 -0700 Subject: Wiki Business In-Reply-To: References: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> Message-ID: <1216060709.6309.135.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 13:20 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Nigel Jones wrote: > > > 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this can be > > used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of categories to > > pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs to/should happen once in a > > while. > > How do we use it? Do you have any examples? It sounds cool! Stuff I've been thinking about: * Renaming all "DocsProject" pages to "Docs_Project" * Inserting spaces "_" in all other DocsProject pages ** Clean-up any links from within other wiki pages to reduce the redirection, etc. * Rename all release notes beats to a new top-level document work: ** Docs/Beats/BeatName => Beat_Name_Release_Notes_Beat ? ** Examples: *** Kernel_Release_Notes_Beat *** Java_Release_Notes_Beat *** Desktop_Release_Notes_Beat * Fix all Category:DocsProject to be Category:Docs_Project * Stuff like that ... -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Jul 14 18:41:12 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:41:12 -0700 Subject: Wiki Business In-Reply-To: <4877F924.2060901@nigelj.com> References: <4876D33B.5020609@nigelj.com> <48776631.90600@nigelj.com> <1215791710.8058.37.camel@victoria> <4877F924.2060901@nigelj.com> Message-ID: <1216060872.6309.138.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 12:21 +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > * Testcases (what would have been in testopia) would be placed in the > QA > namespace (QA:*) This also arose because QA is looking at potentially thousands of cases with names that would pop up in searches all over the place, with little to no benefit for most searchers. Basically, the test case names are likely to have every single keyword someone is searching for ("firefox" to "kernel" and all in between.) I agree we should put this in place, if QA still chooses to use it. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jul 14 18:43:44 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:43:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: meeting reminder - jul 14 @ 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > Meeting today at 20:00 UTC. > > According to Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel, #fedora-meeting is > free, so we'll be in there. If by chance someone else is in that > room, go to #fedora-websites > > Here is your trusty task list, which I updated last week, so we'll > take it from there with whoever is around. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks Ricky will be leading today's meeting, in my absence. --Max From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 14 21:09:05 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:09:05 -0400 Subject: Meeting Log - 2008-07-14 Message-ID: <20080714210905.GA4741@Max> 16:00 < ricky> ====== BEGIN FEDORA WEBSITES MEETING ====== 16:01 < ricky> Roll Call: 16:01 < ricky> Ricky Zhou 16:01 < JonRob1> ricky are you logging?! 16:01 < JonRob1> Jonathan Roberts 16:01 < ricky> Yup 16:02 < ricky> ianweller, giarc, quaid, anybody I forgot: ping 16:02 * ianweller 16:03 < ricky> All right, then: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks 16:04 < ricky> So the planet matrix seems to be going well (thanks, ianweller) 16:04 < giarc> giarc 16:04 < ianweller> \o/ 16:04 < ricky> :-) 16:04 < ianweller> i need to tally up browsers when i get a chance 16:04 < ricky> So what can we try to fix this problem now? 16:05 < ricky> Even with a good idea of what's failing, it's hard to test CSS changes without being able to try immediately. 16:05 < ricky> At least Firefox 3 on Fedora isn't particular rare in these parts ;-) 16:06 < giarc> can we get a test instance up that we could try changes on? ( one that has all the same blog posts as the live version) 16:06 < ricky> I've tried a bunch of things to catch that scrolling problem, but no luck :-( I'm semi-convinced that it's a Linux+Gecko bug 16:06 < ricky> giarc: Good idea - it should be as simple as wgetting a copy (and changing links) to a fedorapeople page 16:07 < giarc> i only get the scrolling problem sometimes, very hard to figure out what is causing it 16:08 < ricky> Weird, I can reproduce it 100% of the time 16:09 * quaid is here, thx 16:10 < giarc> my first page load seems to exhibit it, subsequent loads are seemingly more random 16:10 < ricky> For anybody that's interested in testing on a separate instance, cp -R ~ricky/public_html/planet ~/planet on people1 16:11 < ricky> And sed -i 's/ricky.fedorapeople.org/username.fedorapeople.org/g' ~/public_html/planet/index.html 16:11 < ricky> Sorry, I mean cp -R ~ricky/public_html/planet ~/public_html/planet 16:12 < ricky> So the goals for that are to either solve/work around the bug, or maybe even get a simplified test case if it does turn out to be a browser bug. 16:12 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk 16:13 < ricky> (Since no CSS is supposed to get that kind of behavior, I'm pretty certain *something* is wrong with the rendering) 16:13 < ianweller> brb 16:13 < giarc> ricky, OK 16:13 < ricky> Anybody have anything else to add about planet? 16:14 < ricky> daMaestro mentioned that the huge sidebar made mobile viewing difficult a while back 16:14 < ricky> (Huge scrolling, plus downloading a lot of usernames before getting and content) 16:15 < ricky> So part of that can be solved with CSS, but the other part is a markup thing) 16:15 < giarc> i think we can swap positions in the markup to solve that, but have not tried it yet 16:16 < giarc> also, should the planet code go into our git ? 16:16 < ricky> Hm, it probably should 16:17 < ricky> Do you think we need to setup an automatic sync from the git repo for that? 16:17 < giarc> i guess that could not hurt, but is probably not nesc at this point 16:18 < ricky> All right, then 16:18 < ricky> Do you think we could push this to CSS people on the list? 16:19 < ricky> A lot of people have expressed interest in helping with CSS, but I haven't been great with giving them tasks to start with 16:19 < ricky> This could be a pretty good chance to get more people involved :-) 16:20 < ianweller> ricky: should we shove a giant "patches welcome" message at the top of the matrix? hehe 16:20 < giarc> sure, if people want to help with it ... 16:20 < ricky> Go for it :-) 16:20 < ricky> It might also be a good idea to ping firefox people/their bugzilla about this. 16:21 < giarc> good thought ricky 16:21 < ricky> It feels like a bug, but who knows? It could be known/expected behavior.. somehow. 16:21 < ricky> All right, so after the meeting, I'll ask on irc.mozilla.org and see if it's something that we should file a bug over 16:21 < giarc> i hope not expected ... 0_o 16:21 < ricky> Yeah ;-) 16:21 < ricky> So anything more on the planet before we move to get-fedora? 16:22 < ianweller> not that i can see. 16:22 -!- stickster_afk is now known as stickster 16:23 < ianweller> other than i read stickster's great point in spevack's blog just now 16:23 < giarc> ianweller, got a link? 16:23 < ricky> ianweller: Ooh, can you paste a link? 16:23 < ianweller> http://spevack.livejournal.com/59491.html 16:23 < giarc> danke 16:23 < ianweller> "On a related note, Paul Frields made a great point earlier today -- we need a mechanism that automatically puts anything sent to fedora-announce-list on Planet Fedora." 16:23 < ricky> Ah, that - yeah 16:24 * ianweller researches existing mailman->rss interfaces 16:24 < ricky> All we need is somebody to subscribe to that list with an email2rss script of some sort 16:24 < ricky> It shoudn't be that hard to do on Fedora infrastructure, if that's the right place 16:24 * ricky might avoid mailman to RSS if it requires modification of Red Hat's mailman 16:25 < stickster> ianweller: We definitely don't want something more spammable as an intermediary 16:25 < stickster> i.e. mailbucket.org <== FAIL. 16:25 < stickster> heh 16:25 < ianweller> stickster: duh :D 16:25 < ianweller> ricky: noted 16:25 < stickster> spevack gave me too much credit, it was more his idea as I recall. 16:26 < ianweller> ricky: yeah maybe an internal email that then goes to generate rss feed. 16:26 < ricky> Ah, that's true 16:26 < ianweller> spevack: hehe 16:26 < ianweller> ricky: although it should probably filter out anything that wasn't sent to fedora-announce-list, just in case someone actually guesses the email by accident 16:26 < ianweller> brb 16:27 < ricky> Yeah - that's something to think about 16:27 < ricky> So get-fedora :-) 16:28 < ricky> Anybody know what the progress on that has been? 16:28 * ricky wonders if this falls under the "release early, release often" saying. 16:29 < ricky> It's only marginally more painful when you add "translate early, re-translate often" to it :-/ 16:30 < JonRob1> is juank_prada around tonight? 16:30 < ricky> .seen juank_prada 16:30 < zodbot> ricky: juank_prada was last seen in #fedora-websites 1 week, 6 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: see you all later :) 16:31 < ricky> Wow, I forgot to ping mizmo-out too - this is the one she can make, right? :-) 16:32 < ricky> (spins.fedoraproject.org) 16:32 < ianweller> this is the early one, right? 16:32 < ricky> Yup 16:32 < ianweller> it doesn't look like she's been in at all today 16:32 < ricky> She mentioned that she had been working on that 16:32 < ricky> Is anybody currently working on CSS for her mockups? 16:32 < ianweller> no, but i will be soonish 16:32 < ianweller> i'm assigned to that task 16:33 < ricky> Ah, cool 16:33 < ricky> Try to tie in with fedora.css as much as possible 16:33 < ianweller> noted/agreed 16:33 < ricky> (We really need to start cleaning up our CSS usage) 16:33 < giarc> i have been out of touch a few meetings in a row now, where are mizmo-out 's mockups ? 16:34 < JonRob1> ianweller: css for spins or for pushing to fp.o in general? 16:34 < ianweller> JonRob1: spins.fp.o 16:35 < JonRob1> do we have html for spins to go with? 16:35 < ianweller> no. which i guess is also assigned to me 16:35 < ianweller> mizmo-out does the mockups, i'll turn that into magic^Wcode 16:35 < ianweller> that's how i understand it. 16:36 < ricky> Heh. 16:36 < ricky> Well, both HTML and CSS will build on fp.o stuff a bit, I gues 16:36 < ricky> **guess 16:36 < ianweller> yes, i hope so ;) 16:36 < ianweller> less work for me. 16:39 < ricky> Darn, I suddenly can't find the mockups 16:40 < giarc> brb 16:40 < giarc> $work call 16:40 < ricky> All right, to Websites Infrastructure, then 16:41 < ricky> quaid: Are you around? 16:42 < ricky> No updates on the build script 16:42 < ricky> We are moving to a different workflow, though 16:42 < ricky> The live branch no longer exists - anything pushed to the git repo goes live immediately. 16:43 < ricky> So the workflow I'm aiming for is: People have their own git repos (preferably public/fedorapeople) for testing their own changes, then they push up when they're ready 16:44 < ricky> So the makefile/README has been changed to reflect this. 16:44 < ricky> No more hideous merges/time-consuming typos :-) 16:45 < ianweller> have you shot that info to fedora-websites-list and fedora-infra-list 16:45 < ricky> Just websites (I've made all the necessary changes on the infra side) 16:45 < ricky> (Subject "fedora-web git workflow change") 16:46 < ricky> Anyway, those are all the updates from the infra side - I still haven't found a good solution for ugly templates yet. 16:47 < JonRob1> ricky, i must run, sorry i haven't been around much tonight but have had other commitments to fight with 16:47 < JonRob1> if you throw me the log i'll minute it up over the week 16:47 < JonRob1> and also, there's no new news on the license front 16:48 < ricky> I'm eagerly following http://genshi.edgewall.org/ticket/129, which will hopefully solve some problems 16:48 < ricky> JonRob1: No worries - see you later 16:48 -!- JonRob1 [n=jon at 88-110-60-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #fedora-websites [] 16:49 < ricky> So onto common look+feel 16:49 < ricky> giarc: Are you back? 16:49 < ricky> quaid and stickster might be interested in this too, since it says that docs.fp.o is first on the list :-) 16:49 < giarc> yep 16:50 < ricky> So how's it going with prettifying docs.fp.o? Are we going to try to do it within the current build system, or are we waiting for something less convoluted to work with? 16:51 < giarc> i have had no time for this yet, but was planning on this week... I am not at all familiar with how docs is built ... 16:52 < ricky> Prepare for "fun" ;-) 16:52 < giarc> what /who should i pester for help getting going with that? 16:52 < giarc> ok :-} 16:52 * ianweller prepares for said fun 16:52 < ricky> I'd guess that quaid and stickster (and fedora-docs-list) are the experts on that 16:53 * stickster here 16:53 < stickster> giarc: We have a CVS repository for docs, at cvs.fp.o:/cvs/docs 16:53 < stickster> It contains DocBook XML source for our documents, which are build to HTML and pushed (more or less, with some steps in between) to the /cvs/fedora repository. 16:54 < giarc> ok 16:54 < stickster> Tagged LIVE and then sync's on the server by a cronjob 16:54 < stickster> *sync'd 16:54 < giarc> so I guess I will be interested in the co and build part for starters ... 16:54 < ricky> Isn't that HTML seddde into a PHP file then converted into an HTML file at some point? 16:55 < ricky> **sedded 16:55 < ricky> (Or was I mixing it up with fedora.redhat.com?_ 16:57 < ricky> giarc: Anyway, let me know if I can help with diving into makefiles and buildscripts and such :-) 16:57 < ricky> quaid: ping (Wiki Content Sponsorship - Plugin) 16:59 < ricky> :-/ 17:00 < giarc> mm, i have followed these: 17:00 < giarc> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/CvsUsage 17:00 < giarc> and it is challenging me for anonymous's password ? 17:00 < ricky> Blank? 17:00 < ricky> If that doesn't work, can you give me the command you're trying? 17:01 < giarc> blank 17:01 < giarc> thanks 17:01 < ricky> Ah, cool 17:01 < giarc> oh boy, this does look fun 17:02 < ricky> Hehe. 17:02 * ricky quickly get the last item in: 17:02 < ricky> Group join interstitial pages in FAS 17:03 < ricky> I think one problem is that FAS kind of breaks the step by step process of most join pages. 17:03 < ricky> So we need to make it more wizard-like, I guess. 17:06 < ricky> I guess we've hit the hour mark for now, so let's close this up -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From federico at fsfe.org Mon Jul 14 08:22:09 2008 From: federico at fsfe.org (Federico Fissore) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:22:09 +0200 Subject: italian translation Message-ID: <487B0CB1.4000602@fsfe.org> I would like to point out a wrong translation in the http://fedoraproject.org/it/get-fedora page the label "Dopo il download di una ISO, verificarla." should be "Dopo il download di una ISO, verificala" (without an "r") literally, the first sentence in english is "after downloading an iso, verifying it" hth federico From juergen.plasser at software-quality-lab.at Mon Jul 14 13:00:06 2008 From: juergen.plasser at software-quality-lab.at (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R=2E_Plasser?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:00:06 +0200 Subject: Mediawiki Skin Message-ID: Hi All, ist the Mediawiki skin used for fedoraproject.org/wiki publicly available? I would like to use it with some changes for our internal wiki site. Best Regards J?rgen R. 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I'm looking to answer two questions about these: 1) Where should we put them? 2) How can we improve them? Here's what I have with annotations of what they do: /*************** pageLogin is a box to log people into a TurboGears app. It could use more styling than this if someone wanted to take the time. ***************/ #pageLogin { float: right; } /************** actions is a menubar in the packagedb that links to bodhi, koji, packagedb... Basically all the package oriented apps. Maybe this needs a rename. Maybe it should be moved somewhere else in the templates. **************/ .actions { list-style: none; line-height: 1; margin: 1ex 0!important; } .actions li { display: inline; margin-right: 1ex; } a.bodhi { padding-left: 20px; background: url(../images/bodhi.png) 0 50% no-repeat; } a.koji { padding-left: 20px; background: url(../images/koji.png) 0 50% no-repeat; } a.bugz { padding-left: 20px; background: url(../images/bugz.png) 0 50% no-repeat; } a.pkgdb { padding-left: 20px; background: url(../images/pkgdb.png) 0 50% no-repeat; } a.cvs { padding-left: 20px; background: url(../images/emblem-cvs-controlled.png) 0 50% no-repeat; } /************ Tooltip is a tooltip. A little popup box when you mouseover an area. Both Bodhi and FAS have other implementations of Tooltips. We should have a tooltips class but I don't know which implementation is best. ************/ .ToolTip { display: block; positon: absolute; border: 1px solid black; background-color: lightyellow; width: 200px; } /************* This is used to toggle an element on and off on the page. Using javascript to set the class to invisible makes the element disappear from the page. *************/ .invisible { display: none; } /************** filter is a box that I use for filtering searches. It contains a list of form elements and a submit button to filter out extraneous data. **************/ .filter { background: #ddd; float: right; border-width: 1px; border-color: #000; border-style: solid; padding: .4em; margin: .1em; } .filter li { list-style-type: none; line-height:0; } .filter li select { margin: .1em; } /************** flash is for status messages (usually errors) generated by turbogears. It appears as a banner across the top of a page when you do something unexpected. This was taken from FAS and doesn't do what I want yet -- I haven't figured out how to have a success vs error image, for instance. Bodhi has a different implementation of flash that I haven't looked at. Just like tooltips we need to have something for this. ***************/ .flash { background: #DEE681 url(../images/success.png) 10px 50% no-repeat; border: 1px solid #CCBBAA; padding: 1.5ex 15px 1.5ex 43px; margin: 1ex 0; } -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From youkeyson at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 03:30:59 2008 From: youkeyson at gmail.com (InaTux) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:30:59 -0800 Subject: On behalf of all of us here at InaTux... Message-ID: <487EBCF3.5020801@ceol.com> Thank you for referencing to our "Fedora 9 & KDE 4 review" on our Assocs. 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Your information will be used to update information reported to US-CERT, NVD and Palamida's data library regarding this vulnerability within **. 1. What version of BIND is used? 2. What is patch or resolution proposed? *The project may be affected by the following software vulnerabilities reported by US-Cert and NVD.* *Security Issue*: Project ** is suspected of using BIND. Versions other than *9.3.5-P1*, *9.4.3b2*, *9.5.0-P1*, *9.5.1b1, all released July 2008,* are considered potentially vulnerable to a number of identified exploits. *Recommendation*:(from maintainer ISC) *"ISC has discovered or has been notified of several bugs which can result in vulnerabilities of varying levels of severity in BIND as distributed by ISC. Upgrading to the latest BIND version is strongly recommended."* *Project*: ** *Project URL*: http://fedoraproject.org/ *Last Updated Date*: *04/16/08* *Current Release*: 9 Please feel free to contact me immediately. With Regards, Ernest Park VP, Research Group Palamida, Inc. http://palamida.com http://gpl3.blogspot.com 203-856-7778 ****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Vulnerability version matrix ( http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/bind/bind-security.php): # CVE number short description 0 1999-0833 Buffer overflow via NXT records. 1 1999-0835 Denial of service via malformed SIG records. 2 1999-0837 Denial of service by improperly closing TCP sessions via so_linger. 3 1999-0848 Denial of service named via consuming more than "fdmax" file descriptors. 4 1999-0849 Denial of service via maxdname. 5 1999-0851 Denial of service via naptr. 6 2000-0887 Denial of service by compressed zone transfer (ZXFR) request. 7 2000-0888 Denial of service via SRV record. 8 2001-0010 Buffer overflow in TSIG code allows root privileges. 9 2001-0011 Buffer overflow in nslookupComplain allows root privileges. 10 2001-0012 Ability to access sensitive information such as environment variables. 11 2001-0013 Format string vulnerability in nslookupComplain allows root privileges. 12 2002-0029 Buffer overflows in resolver library allows execution of arbitrary code. 13 2002-0400 Denial of service via malformed DNS packet. 14 2002-0651 Buffer overflow in resolver code may cause a DoS and arbitrary code execution. 15 2002-1220 Denial of service via request for nonexistent subdomain using large OPT RR. 16 2002-1221 Denial of service via SIG RR elements with invalid expiry times. 17 2003-0914 Cache poisoning via negative responses with a large TTL value. 18 2005-0033 Buffer overflow in recursion and glue code allows denial of service. 19 2005-0034 Denial of service via crafted DNS packets causing internal self-check to fail. 20 2006-4095 Denial of service via certain SIG queries that return multiple RRsets. 21 2006-4096 Denial of service via a flood of recursive queries causing INSIST failure. 22 2007-0493 Denial of service via unspecified vectors that cause named to "dereference a freed fetch context." 23 2007-0494 Denial of service via ANY query response containing multiple RRsets. 24 2007-2241 Sequence of queries can cause a recursive nameserver to exit. 25 2007-2925 allow-query-cache/allow-recursion default acls not set. 26 2007-2926 cryptographically weak query ids 27 2007-2930 cryptographically weak query ids (BIND 8) 28 2008-0122 inet_network() off-by-one buffer overflow 29 2008-1447 DNS cache poisoning issue -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What version of BIND is used? > 2. What is patch or resolution proposed? This isn't the right mail id for such questions but refer to https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg00402.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg00458.html These are the current versions of Fedora which have already received security fixes as updates. The fix was to use address port randomization as specified in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=449345 Also refer http://lwn.net/Articles/289206/ Rahul From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 17 20:41:52 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:41:52 -0400 Subject: Planet Rendering Issue Message-ID: <20080717204152.GA31410@Max> Thanks to Chris Tylers (And Jef for pointing this out): http://blog.chris.tylers.info/index.php?/archives/127-Workarounds.html Looks like he found our bug :-) Woo, progress! 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The db1 outage will cause the wiki and smolt to be offline for no longer then an hour. The koji move will cause the buildsystem (and whatever depends on the build system) to be down for between 8 and 10 hours. We haven't padded the outage so if something goes wrong, we'll have to abort and re-schedule it for another time. Likely the next night so be prepared. Also please make sure any builds you complete any builds prior to the time of the outage. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 18 06:04:39 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:04:39 +0300 Subject: Planet Rendering Issue In-Reply-To: <20080717204152.GA31410@Max> References: <20080717204152.GA31410@Max> Message-ID: <48803277.8080005@nicubunu.ro> Ricky Zhou wrote: > Thanks to Chris Tylers (And Jef for pointing this out): > http://blog.chris.tylers.info/index.php?/archives/127-Workarounds.html > Looks like he found our bug :-) So this will not solve the problem completely... If we identified the problem - overflow: scroll and overflow:auto - maybe we can alter our CSS a bit and not expose the bug, until the proper fix will come (as I understand from the bug report, it will *not* make FF 3.0.x). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Jul 18 19:04:13 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:04:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Help Page Needs some... Help Message-ID: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help is linked to by the Help on the left side of the wiki. Its a pretty prominent link, think anyone could spruce it up? Especially targeting new people that might click on it looking for things like how to sign up for an account, etc. Perhaps multiple sections, one for help with the Fedora Project and the other section with links to various help on the wiki like wiki markup, etc. -Mike From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 19:53:25 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:53:25 +0000 Subject: Help Page Needs some... Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1216410805.4186.123.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:04 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help is linked to by the Help on the left > side of the wiki. Its a pretty prominent link, think anyone could spruce > it up? Especially targeting new people that might click on it looking for > things like how to sign up for an account, etc. > > Perhaps multiple sections, one for help with the Fedora Project and the > other section with links to various help on the wiki like wiki markup, > etc. Good call. I'm actually responsible for that page content from well over a year ago. The "Help" page only addressed one side of the question, so I changed it (probably in a hurried fashion) to at least point to two major areas. This could use some work, for sure. Be aware that there are about a half-dozen pages that purport to have "introductory" or "help" information. This points to the need for some further wiki gardening, thus my cc'ing the Docs team. :-) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From menezes at projetofedora.org Fri Jul 18 03:59:49 2008 From: menezes at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:59:49 -0400 Subject: About Planet App Message-ID: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> Hi Guys, We in Brazil are planning to create a local Planet Fedora, a page just in pt_BR. The original idea came because a lot of users doesn't read english and doesn't want to search something in portuguese in a blog with 95% written in english. My question is, with application do you use in Planet Fedora? How can I create a server like the original only with our blogs? I know that the new version use Fedora Account System, so I'm interesting in all applications used in the old aggregator verion. Can you help me? -- Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes Fedora Amabassador Embaixador do Projeto Fedora http://www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RodrigoMenezes From vgaburici at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 21:11:38 2008 From: vgaburici at gmail.com (Vasile Gaburici) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:11:38 +0300 Subject: Wrong info on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Identifying_fonts Message-ID: PANGO_LANGUAGE doesn't work as described there. See this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=442786 Basically PANGO_LANGUAGE only works if no LANG is set. Also, since I registered as a contributor and joined the Fonts SIG, what do I need to do to be able to edit those wiki pages myself? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We're currently using Venus (http://www.intertwingly.net/code/venus/). I'm not sure if it's in Fedora yet, although we should have a package for it in the Infrastructure repo: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/el/5/SRPMS/venus-bzrrev86-1.el5.src.rpm Hope this helps, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 22:43:55 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:43:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Wrong info on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Identifying_fonts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Vasile Gaburici wrote: > Also, since I registered as a contributor and joined the Fonts SIG, what do > I need to do to be able to edit those wiki pages myself? > All you need to have done is sign the CLA in FAS. Then you can use your FAS login to log into the wiki and make any necessary changes. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 23:44:46 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:44:46 -0400 Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> Message-ID: <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 18:49 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2008-07-17 11:59:49 PM, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > > We in Brazil are planning to create a local Planet Fedora, a page just > > in pt_BR. The original idea came because a lot of users doesn't read > > english and doesn't want to search something in portuguese in a blog > > with 95% written in english. > > > > My question is, with application do you use in Planet Fedora? How can I > > create a server like the original only with our blogs? I know that the > > new version use Fedora Account System, so I'm interesting in all > > applications used in the old aggregator verion. > We're currently using Venus (http://www.intertwingly.net/code/venus/). > I'm not sure if it's in Fedora yet, although we should have a package > for it in the Infrastructure repo: > http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/el/5/SRPMS/venus-bzrrev86-1.el5.src.rpm We can aggregate the pt_BR stuff on the official Planet Fedora as well. I think this brings up the need for some sort of way that Planet readers can select a feed based on one or more languages they prefer. 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(Presuming that is a good URL.) https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure Then we can find out from Seth how it can work, and recruit a web programmer to help, if needed. Once that is done, you can use it to populate a "mirror" planet on projetofedora.org. The people can use the existing system and quickly populate language-specific planets. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are on a page and know you are logged in, try changing the URL from http to https. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From menezes at projetofedora.org Sat Jul 19 00:04:47 2008 From: menezes at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:04:47 -0400 Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <48812F9F.1000501@projetofedora.org> For us, this is perfect. We are point all local user to our portal (www.projetofedora.org) because of local language, but we can create a link to a Planet in any place. As soon as local users can access only pt_BR content and can use a RSS Feed for this selection is ok for us. Good idea. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes Paul W. Frields escreveu: > On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 18:49 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > >> On 2008-07-17 11:59:49 PM, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: >> >>> We in Brazil are planning to create a local Planet Fedora, a page just >>> in pt_BR. The original idea came because a lot of users doesn't read >>> english and doesn't want to search something in portuguese in a blog >>> with 95% written in english. >>> >>> My question is, with application do you use in Planet Fedora? How can I >>> create a server like the original only with our blogs? I know that the >>> new version use Fedora Account System, so I'm interesting in all >>> applications used in the old aggregator verion. >>> >> We're currently using Venus (http://www.intertwingly.net/code/venus/). >> I'm not sure if it's in Fedora yet, although we should have a package >> for it in the Infrastructure repo: >> http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/el/5/SRPMS/venus-bzrrev86-1.el5.src.rpm >> > > We can aggregate the pt_BR stuff on the official Planet Fedora as well. > > I think this brings up the need for some sort of way that Planet readers > can select a feed based on one or more languages they prefer. > > Let's all make sure that we are not producing separate "splinter" > communities, but instead, communities that are an important part of the > whole Fedora community, with their own special flavor! > > From menezes at projetofedora.org Sat Jul 19 03:14:27 2008 From: menezes at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:14:27 -0400 Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <48815C13.2030805@projetofedora.org> I'll fill the ticket right now. What I need? A Planet only in pt_BR and a working RSS for this pt_BR website. About URL, I can create a planeta.projetofedora.org and set this dub-domain to re-direct to planet.fedoraproject.org/pt_BR, no problems. I'm making some tests with Venus here, just to see how it works, can you provide the theme used in our Planet? Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes Karsten 'quaid' Wade escreveu: > On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:44 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > >> We can aggregate the pt_BR stuff on the official Planet Fedora as well. >> > > Seth Vidal said he could make the new .planet file able to handle l10n. > Not sure if the function is there, it might just be a stub right now. > > Rodrigo -- can you enter in an infrastructure ticket to have a pt_BR > feed created on planet.fedoraproject.org/pt_BR? (Presuming that is a > good URL.) > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure > > Then we can find out from Seth how it can work, and recruit a web > programmer to help, if needed. > > Once that is done, you can use it to populate a "mirror" planet on > projetofedora.org. The people can use the existing system and quickly > populate language-specific planets. > > - Karsten > From menezes at projetofedora.org Sat Jul 19 03:20:12 2008 From: menezes at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:20:12 -0400 Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: <48815C13.2030805@projetofedora.org> References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48815C13.2030805@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <48815D6C.6030900@projetofedora.org> Ticket #712 Rodrigo Menezes escreveu: > I'll fill the ticket right now. > > What I need? A Planet only in pt_BR and a working RSS for this pt_BR > website. > > About URL, I can create a planeta.projetofedora.org and set this > dub-domain to re-direct to planet.fedoraproject.org/pt_BR, no problems. > > I'm making some tests with Venus here, just to see how it works, can > you provide the theme used in our Planet? > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > Karsten 'quaid' Wade escreveu: >> On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:44 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> >>> We can aggregate the pt_BR stuff on the official Planet Fedora as well. >>> >> >> Seth Vidal said he could make the new .planet file able to handle l10n. >> Not sure if the function is there, it might just be a stub right now. >> >> Rodrigo -- can you enter in an infrastructure ticket to have a pt_BR >> feed created on planet.fedoraproject.org/pt_BR? (Presuming that is a >> good URL.) >> >> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure >> >> Then we can find out from Seth how it can work, and recruit a web >> programmer to help, if needed. >> >> Once that is done, you can use it to populate a "mirror" planet on >> projetofedora.org. The people can use the existing system and quickly >> populate language-specific planets. >> >> - Karsten >> > -- Att, Rodrigo Menezes Fedora Amabassador Embaixador do Projeto Fedora http://www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RodrigoMenezes From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Sat Jul 19 14:11:29 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:11:29 -0400 Subject: Planet Rendering Issue In-Reply-To: <48803277.8080005@nicubunu.ro> References: <20080717204152.GA31410@Max> <48803277.8080005@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:04 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Ricky Zhou wrote: >> >> Thanks to Chris Tylers (And Jef for pointing this out): >> http://blog.chris.tylers.info/index.php?/archives/127-Workarounds.html >> Looks like he found our bug :-) Woot ! that's awesome news. > > So this will not solve the problem completely... If we identified the > problem - overflow: scroll and overflow:auto - maybe we can alter our CSS a > bit and not expose the bug, until the proper fix will come (as I understand > from the bug report, it will *not* make FF 3.0.x). I have taken a quick peek at our CSS and our problems stem from our main fedora.css file, #wrapper has overflow: auto Maybe for planet we can work around that somehow, but I have tried the easy fixes and they have stopped the scrolling bug from happening, but break the look and feel. ( I'll be poking at other options this weekend and will post my progress to the list. -- Craig From hisui at fedoralinux.hu Sun Jul 20 07:56:42 2008 From: hisui at fedoralinux.hu (hisui at fedoralinux.hu) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:56:42 +0000 Subject: -hu language Message-ID: Hello I'm a member of the Hungarian Fedora Club and I saw the strange hungarian translation on the Fedoraproject.org. Yeah I know, it was translated by some software, or something like that. I would like to re-translate it, to make it better. It's just strange as it's now. If you need help for translating other parts to hungarian, just write them into the reply too. ps.: Some parts of the installer is still in english, even if I choose hungarian at install. Can you send me a link where I can join to the translation group and correct these? TIA VP aka. Hisui From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jul 21 09:25:16 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:25:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: meeting reminder, mon jul 21, 22:00 UTC Message-ID: Hi all, Can we get a quick roll call on who will/won't be able to make our meeting Monday at 22:00 UTC in #fedora-websites? I apologize in advance, but I will *not* be at the meeting. I was at LUG Radio Live in the UK all weekend, and while it was a pretty good event, one of the things I brought back with me was the beginnings of a cold, which I need to make sure goes away and does not get worse. So let's get a quick show of who's in/out, see whether or not we have quoroum, and get a volunteer to run down and update as necessary the Task List on our wiki page. thanks, Max From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 12:59:00 2008 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:59:00 -0400 Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1216645140.13925.17.camel@rosebud> On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 18:42 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:44 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > We can aggregate the pt_BR stuff on the official Planet Fedora as well. > > Seth Vidal said he could make the new .planet file able to handle l10n. > Not sure if the function is there, it might just be a stub right now. > > Rodrigo -- can you enter in an infrastructure ticket to have a pt_BR > feed created on planet.fedoraproject.org/pt_BR? (Presuming that is a > good URL.) > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure > > Then we can find out from Seth how it can work, and recruit a web > programmer to help, if needed. The idea was that users can make a .planet.$something file in their homedir on fedorapeople.org. Then we can have a separate planet run grab up those files, compile them and use them. The code we have now can deal with that, we just need to decide which ones are needed and set up planet to know to grab them. How about a .planet.pt_BR? -sv From diegobz at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 13:29:01 2008 From: diegobz at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Diego_B=FArigo_Zacar=E3o?=) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:29:01 -0300 Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: <1216645140.13925.17.camel@rosebud> References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1216645140.13925.17.camel@rosebud> Message-ID: <6600c1b10807210629m5f62e919p58970855e18d9497@mail.gmail.com> Hello, On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:59 AM, seth vidal wrote: > The idea was that users can make a .planet.$something file in their > homedir on fedorapeople.org. Then we can have a separate planet run grab > up those files, compile them and use them. The code we have now can deal > with that, we just need to decide which ones are needed and set up > planet to know to grab them. > > How about a .planet.pt_BR? > > +1 Make sence to me. Regards PS: Sorry Seth for the double reply. -- Diego B?rigo Zacar?o Linux User #402589 USE SOFTWARE LIVRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 15:36:28 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:36:28 -0400 Subject: Planet Rendering Issue In-Reply-To: References: <20080717204152.GA31410@Max> <48803277.8080005@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Craig Thomas wrote: > I'll be poking at other options this weekend and will post my progress > to the list. http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/ I was convinced this was broken but looking now with FF2/3 Fedora 8/9 it seems to work, and avoid the scrolling bug. Can others report back? Thanks, -- Craig From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 15:48:16 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:48:16 -0600 Subject: meeting reminder, mon jul 21, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > Hi all, > > Can we get a quick roll call on who will/won't be able to make our meeting > Monday at 22:00 UTC in #fedora-websites? > > I apologize in advance, but I will *not* be at the meeting. I was at LUG > Radio Live in the UK all weekend, and while it was a pretty good event, one > of the things I brought back with me was the beginnings of a cold, which I > need to make sure goes away and does not get worse. > > So let's get a quick show of who's in/out, see whether or not we have > quoroum, and get a volunteer to run down and update as necessary the Task > List on our wiki page. > > thanks, > Max I'll be available/attending From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 21 15:50:38 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:50:38 +0300 Subject: Planet Rendering Issue In-Reply-To: References: <20080717204152.GA31410@Max> <48803277.8080005@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4884B04E.5000104@nicubunu.ro> Craig Thomas wrote: > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/ > > I was convinced this was broken but looking now with FF2/3 Fedora 8/9 > it seems to work, and avoid the scrolling bug. > > Can others report back? Here it seems to work too, but that sample does not have a lot of images (the bug seems to be triggered by images). I think you can go with it live, what can be wrong (and by that I mean worse than now)? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 15:52:14 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:52:14 +0100 Subject: Planet Rendering Issue In-Reply-To: <4884B04E.5000104@nicubunu.ro> References: <20080717204152.GA31410@Max> <48803277.8080005@nicubunu.ro> <4884B04E.5000104@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <507738ef0807210852k4ebb893le0aea561dd4ed4c1@mail.gmail.com> > Here it seems to work too, And here... Jon From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 16:05:39 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:05:39 -0400 Subject: meeting reminder, mon jul 21, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Max Spevack wrote: >> So let's get a quick show of who's in/out, see whether or not we have >> quoroum, and get a volunteer to run down and update as necessary the Task >> List on our wiki page. I won't be able to attend, this time slot no longer works for me (since the kids are out of school I am in the middle of a commute/pickup) -- Craig From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 16:11:38 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:11:38 +0100 Subject: meeting reminder, mon jul 21, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0807210911m48a0ba51yd42c3d19d93262a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/21 Craig Thomas : > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Clint Savage wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > >>> So let's get a quick show of who's in/out, see whether or not we have >>> quoroum, and get a volunteer to run down and update as necessary the Task >>> List on our wiki page. I can make it, though I wonder if we have a lot to discuss tonight anyway? Hope all went well at LUGRadio too :) Best, Jon From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 16:52:04 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:52:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: <1216645140.13925.17.camel@rosebud> References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1216645140.13925.17.camel@rosebud> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, seth vidal wrote: > How about a .planet.pt_BR? > How about a lang= variable in the existing .planet file? :) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 16:53:10 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:53:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: meeting reminder, mon jul 21, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > So let's get a quick show of who's in/out, see whether or not we have > quoroum, and get a volunteer to run down and update as necessary the Task > List on our wiki page. > I should be available to attend. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 17:00:19 2008 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:19 -0400 Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1216645140.13925.17.camel@rosebud> Message-ID: <1216659619.13925.25.camel@rosebud> On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 11:52 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, seth vidal wrote: > > > How about a .planet.pt_BR? > > > > How about a lang= variable in the existing .planet file? :) doesn't work - many people post in mutliple languages and the point of the .planet.something option is so we can have arbitrary aggregation, not just language-based aggregation. -sv From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 17:32:22 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:32:22 -0400 Subject: meeting reminder, mon jul 21, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080721173222.GF31410@Max> On 2008-07-21 11:25:16 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > Can we get a quick roll call on who will/won't be able to make our > meeting Monday at 22:00 UTC in #fedora-websites? 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Still unable to connect as I'm still at work at that time. - Yannick From kwade at redhat.com Mon Jul 21 20:27:02 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:27:02 -0700 Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: <4884DB8C.1030706@projetofedora.org> References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1216645140.13925.17.camel@rosebud> <1216659619.13925.25.camel@rosebud> <4884DB8C.1030706@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <1216672022.12676.363.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 14:55 -0400, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > seth vidal escreveu: > > On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 11:52 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > > > >> How about a lang= variable in the existing .planet file? :) > >> > > > > doesn't work - many people post in mutliple languages and the point of > > the .planet.something option is so we can have arbitrary aggregation, > > not just language-based aggregation. > > > > -sv > > > In my opinion a .planet.pt_BR is the best choice, this way a user can > add himself as a pt_BR, english, spanish, as we wants. Also let's us do: .planet.docs .planet.ambassadors .planet.art etc. Seth -- did you stop at the second dot? Or did you include tertiary filtering, e.g.: .planet.ambassadors.en_US ??? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or did you include tertiary > filtering, e.g.: > > .planet.ambassadors.en_US > the group is just anything that arbitrarily follows the .planet. Each group has to be manually set up in the backend so going hog-wild doesn't really help us. More to the point it takes a bit of time to generate these feeds for each new one we have. So, segmenting it out to the nth degree has a cost. -sv From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 22:14:55 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:14:55 +0100 Subject: Planet Rendering Issue In-Reply-To: References: <20080717204152.GA31410@Max> <48803277.8080005@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <507738ef0807211514w1c89a201xf0e212579f10b1dc@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/21 Craig Thomas : > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Craig Thomas wrote: >> I'll be poking at other options this weekend and will post my progress >> to the list. > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/ > > I was convinced this was broken but looking now with FF2/3 Fedora 8/9 > it seems to work, and avoid the scrolling bug. > > Can others report back? What has to happen for this to get pushed live, and for it to get marked off our task list :) Also, in the websites meeting we were wondering how the fix worked? Best, Jon From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 22:20:02 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:20:02 -0400 Subject: Planet Rendering Issue In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807211514w1c89a201xf0e212579f10b1dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080717204152.GA31410@Max> <48803277.8080005@nicubunu.ro> <507738ef0807211514w1c89a201xf0e212579f10b1dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080721222002.GG31410@Max> On 2008-07-21 11:14:55 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Also, in the websites meeting we were wondering how the fix worked? I tried to rsync from craigt's version, and saw no changes. Perhaps the bug didn't happen to be very obvious on that day's planet? Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 22:20:33 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:20:33 +0100 Subject: get-fedora progress? Message-ID: <507738ef0807211520l74e3a95eu95cc856919f9ef4c@mail.gmail.com> Hey, Was just wondering if we've seen any progress on get-fedora? Juank and Craig are down as coming up with more mock-ups...any luck here? /me is on a rampage in meeting to update tasks list! Best, Jon From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 23:12:57 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:12:57 -0400 Subject: Meeting Log - 2008-07-21 Message-ID: <20080721231257.GH31410@Max> 18:02 < JonRob> who's around? 18:02 * ianweller (ish) 18:03 < JonRob> anyone else? 18:03 < ivazquez> I am. 18:03 < ianweller> ricky: ping 18:03 < JonRob> herlo? 18:04 * ricky 18:05 < JonRob> ok, well shall we get started? 18:05 < JonRob> i'm not sure there's lots we can do today anyhow, but we can see how we go 18:05 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Websites Meeting 18:05 < ricky> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks 18:05 < JonRob> giarc - looks like there's been great progress on the planet issues 18:06 < JonRob> so much so i think we can cross it off our list? 18:06 < ricky> I don't think he could make this one :-( 18:06 < ianweller> (giarc is not on irc, and can't attend) 18:06 < ricky> We haven't fixed the problem yet, but we have determined that it's not our bug. 18:06 < ricky> The but on the mozilla bugzilla is several years old, though, which is unfortunate. 18:06 < JonRob> ricky: did you see the thread today? 18:06 < ricky> **bug 18:06 < JonRob> giarc has a version that *seems* to not have the problem 18:07 < JonRob> a version of planet that is 18:07 < ricky> Oh, I didn't see the changed version 18:07 < JonRob> well me and nicu both tested and neither of us saw a problem either 18:07 < JonRob> :) 18:07 < ricky> Cool, let's keep the item there until it's pushed 18:08 < JonRob> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-July/msg00117.html 18:08 < JonRob> ok np 18:08 < ricky> I'll try to take a look at applying his fix to the global CSS later on, if that's where the change is 18:08 < JonRob> cool 18:08 < herlo> here 18:09 < JonRob> evenin' 18:09 < JonRob> ok, next up 18:09 < JonRob> oh...do we need to review the test matrix? 18:09 < JonRob> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet/TestMatrix 18:09 < ricky> Strange, his version is unchanged. HM. 18:10 < JonRob> ricky? giarc's repo? 18:10 < ricky> Well, the version at http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/ 18:10 < JonRob> hmm i wonder where the fix is? post to list and ask him for clarification? 18:10 < ricky> The files are identical to the one in http://ricky.fedorapeople.org/planet/ (which were directly wgetted) 18:11 < ricky> I do recall having a particularly hard time reproducing on that date 18:12 < JonRob> hmm 18:12 < ricky> The test matrix should be updated to mention that you should test with smooth scrolling on for the best chance of reproductoin 18:12 < ricky> **reproduction 18:12 * ricky does that 18:13 < JonRob> good work ricky :) 18:14 < JonRob> i'll drop a note to the list asking giarc for clarification on the fix and what needs to happen for it to get pushed live/taken off the task list 18:14 < ricky> Thanks 18:14 < ricky> I'm slightly afraid at how this is a 5 year-old bug 18:15 < ricky> Looks like there's a request to make 3.1 block on it, though - so let's hope for good progress 18:15 < JonRob> have we poked and prodded mozilla? 18:15 < JonRob> ah cool 18:15 < JonRob> are we ready to move on? 18:15 < ricky> (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215055) 18:15 < ricky> Yup :-) 18:15 < JonRob> especially as ivazquez is with us :) 18:15 < JonRob> what's happening with get-fedora? 18:16 < ivazquez> I haven't been involved with the new efforts. 18:16 < JonRob> oh, lol our task lists needs updating! 18:17 < JonRob> are you still interested on working on that, or would you like us to remove your ownership of it? 18:17 < JonRob> (along with giarc's) 18:17 < ricky> JonRob: Curious: What page are you referring to with ivazquez on it? 18:17 < JonRob> oh lol 18:17 < JonRob> sorry 18:17 < JonRob> it's late 18:17 < JonRob> i confused ivazquez and juank 18:18 < ricky> Heh, all right 18:18 < JonRob> heh...no wonder things didn't seem to make sense there! 18:18 < JonRob> ok...well juank_prada isn't here 18:18 < JonRob> and neither is giarc 18:18 < JonRob> (sorry ivazquez :)) 18:18 < JonRob> so we can skip this one 18:18 < JonRob> maybe we shuold ask for progress report on list thoguh? 18:19 < ivazquez> I think that's fair. 18:19 < ricky> Yeah 18:20 < JonRob> ok, done 18:20 * ricky wonders if mizmo-out is still vacationing :-) 18:20 < JonRob> mizmo-out, is out 18:20 < JonRob> and so is spevack 18:20 < ricky> Ohh, or she's on a bus 18:21 < JonRob> does anyone have anything they'd like to add on spins? 18:21 * JonRob loves busses 18:21 * ricky loves planes 18:21 < JonRob> heh 18:22 < JonRob> ok...ricky: any luck with a site map for fp.o? 18:22 < JonRob> also, release cycle? 18:23 -!- daMaestro [n=jon at fedora/damaestro] has quit "Leaving" 18:23 -!- epkphoto [n=epkphoto at ip98-169-237-170.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #fedora-websites 18:23 < ricky> Nothing with the site map - we do have a domain list, though 18:23 < ricky> I'd like to hear discussion about the release cycle 18:24 < ricky> For what we do with our website, it sounds like we can work similarly to how docs works, which could also give translators something to aim for 18:24 -!- nman64 [n=n-man at fedora/nman64] has quit Remote closed the connection 18:24 < ricky> So we can formalize and give early warning for things like string freezes and requirements for translations 18:24 < JonRob> ok 18:25 < JonRob> so would that involve in a development branch (aka beat in docs' speak?) or just a feature freeze? 18:25 < JonRob> - feature = string 18:25 < JonRob> :S 18:25 < ricky> Well. We don't do the development branch thing anymore. 18:26 < ricky> So it's kind of decentralized (which git is nice for) 18:26 < ricky> Everybody's personal git repo is their own "development branch" 18:26 < JonRob> ok sure 18:26 < ricky> So it should be as simple as saying: "By this date, no more non-translation pushes" 18:26 < JonRob> so you'd just like to aim for a string freeze on the live? 18:27 < ricky> Yeah. That way, we can at least aim for maximum coverage during release. 18:27 < ricky> **releases 18:27 < ricky> The way spevack mentioned before is also something to think about 18:27 < JonRob> ok that sounds like an extremely sensible plan to me! 18:27 < JonRob> ? 18:27 < ricky> As he said, we pretty much have updates around releases, and maybe one update in between 18:27 < ricky> So should we have releases every 3 months or so? 18:28 < JonRob> oh ok - so there would be no changes to live, or again just string? 18:28 < JonRob> what about introducing new content? 18:28 < ricky> Hm. 18:29 < ricky> When I say releases, it's 100% for the benefit of l10n, so it'd always only apply to strings. 18:29 < JonRob> ok that makes sense to me 18:30 < JonRob> and every 3 months certainly sounds reasonable, though perhaps we should speak the l10n people to see how much time they need? 18:30 < ricky> I take back what I said about the 3 months, though. 18:30 < JonRob> or maybe you alreayd have, i don't know lol 18:30 < ricky> I think we should just freeze before/during Fedora releases for a set amount of time before we go back to adding new content, etc. 18:31 < ricky> So the entire point is to aim for as complete as possible translations around releases. 18:31 < ricky> Yup - from what we heard last release, 2-3 weeks seemed good for them, but I'll bring it up again 18:31 < ricky> I still need to see if glezos has some suggestions for how to manage htis 18:31 < ricky> **this 18:32 < JonRob> i don't think there's a huge difference between either, although focusing on releases provides a bit more flexibility 18:32 < ricky> Yeah 18:32 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk 18:32 < JonRob> seems to me like you know where you're going wit this :) 18:32 < ricky> So this is good - I think we formalized my vague ideas a bit 18:33 < JonRob> do you need any assistance re: the site map? 18:33 < JonRob> what can we do to help here? 18:33 < ricky> Sorry - what was the purpose of a site map again? 18:34 < JonRob> urm...lol if i'd minuted last week's meeting by now we could have looked that up easily! 18:34 < JonRob> it definitely came up though, and seemed like it would be very useful 18:34 < JonRob> let me have a quick look through the log 18:35 < JonRob> hmm maybe it wasn't last week :S 18:36 < JonRob> ah, ok 18:36 < JonRob> it was the week before 18:36 < JonRob> apparently we were discussing hte possibility of a cms 18:36 < ricky> Ahh, that. 18:36 < ricky> quaid: ping 18:36 < JonRob> and felt the need for a more clearly defined vision for the role of fp.o and docs 18:36 < JonRob> etc 18:36 < quaid> ricky: pong 18:36 < JonRob> and how much content will be expanded in the future 18:36 * quaid forgot this meeting time :/ 18:36 < JonRob> hello quaid :) 18:37 * quaid reading back a bit 18:37 < quaid> 'sup? 18:37 < ricky> Talking about the need for a CMS 18:38 < quaid> yep 18:38 < JonRob> plone ftw 18:38 < quaid> har! 18:38 < quaid> a cms could solve a bunch of our main site and docs site problems, I reckon 18:39 < JonRob> actually, in all seriousness, why don't we re-investigate plone? or were the problems so diabolical? because i imagine infra did a fair amount of work on that already... 18:39 < ricky> Once http://genshi.edgewall.org/ticket/129 is fixed, our worse buildscript problems should be gone (I'm hoping) 18:39 < ricky> JonRob: Plone is the kind of CMS which requires a full-time expert to get anything done with. 18:40 < ricky> It's probably overkill for the main page as well. 18:40 < quaid> also there are python version problems 18:40 < JonRob> ok np 18:40 < quaid> that aren't solveable, afaict now 18:40 < ricky> I don't want to sound bitter, but I witnessed the GNOME Website Team literally die off while trying to deploy a plone site. 18:40 < JonRob> i think a more immediate question before we start trying to choose a cms 18:40 < ricky> The only expert was hard to reach, and progress halted HARD. 18:40 < JonRob> is what content is there on fp.o now, and what content will be there in the future 18:41 < JonRob> which brings us back to the site map :p 18:41 < ricky> Also, they were not able to find/demonstrate a working l10n solution that I was happy with, to be honest. 18:41 < quaid> there always seems to be a relatively thin layer of content on the main site 18:41 < ricky> JonRob: I think the sidebar does that pretty well already :-) 18:41 < quaid> and, sure, a site map would help with understanding that 18:41 < JonRob> quaid: something i'd like to change at least a little 18:41 < ricky> I think that's the full use case for our main site (vs. the wiki) 18:41 < quaid> my main reason for a CMS is to make DIY publishing easier for various groups (Websites, Docs, etc.) 18:42 < JonRob> quaid: yeah i'd certainly appreciate the extra ease of use 18:42 < quaid> docs.fp.o languishes because it sucks to update :) 18:42 < ricky> I think docs could use the publishing workflow stuff from a CMS. I'm not sure that websites needs that as much, though 18:42 < JonRob> ricky, true 18:42 < JonRob> my true was to your earlier comment 18:42 < quaid> that should be flexible within the CMS 18:42 < JonRob> re: websites and ease of publishing workflow, there are often small tweaks and changes i'd like to make 18:43 < JonRob> or new content i'd like to add 18:43 < quaid> ricky: that is, you can definie different areas to have different levels of workflow 18:43 -!- ianweller is now known as ianweller_afk 18:43 < JonRob> that i loathe to do because of having to mess around with git 18:43 < ricky> Yeah :-( 18:43 < quaid> and, fwiw, if we had a workflow with the entire site 18:43 < quaid> it would be easy to add an "Edit by docs person" step to any content changes 18:43 < ricky> On the infra site, we're currently working to get a wildcard cert for lang.fedoraproject.org sites 18:43 < quaid> if we wanted to QA content before it went live in that main, highly visible aread 18:44 < ricky> That will solve one problem that we've been having with it being hard to put website test instances up without special config 18:44 < JonRob> which would fit in nicely with docs new role :) 18:44 < JonRob> ok, so how do we move forward from here? 18:44 < ricky> quaid: I'm curious: How does - say, Red Hat's docs team do this kind of review? 18:45 < quaid> ricky: content review? or tool review? 18:45 < ricky> Content review 18:46 < ricky> I still have no objections if we can find a CMS that's low learning curve, handles translations well, and that infra doesn't mind running :-) 18:46 < JonRob> ricky: lol that's quite a shopping list! 18:46 < ricky> Heh. 18:47 < ricky> Most of the complexity is the translations part. If I didn't bother having fedoraproject.org translated, the build process would be completely trivial and unintimidating 18:48 < JonRob> ah...if only all the world spoke one language 18:48 < JonRob> lol 18:48 < ricky> Esperanto? ;-) 18:48 < JonRob> coming from a person who's currently learning language 4 & 5 18:48 * herlo prefers Lojban 18:48 -!- ianweller_afk is now known as ianweller 18:48 < ricky> Chinese already has the largest user group :-P 18:49 < ricky> But yeah, put translations pretty high up on the list for anybody that's doing l10n research 18:49 < JonRob> ok, so how about over the next week we hunt for a cms? 18:50 < ricky> A simple checklist might help 18:50 < JonRob> and i'll update the tasks list to say the sidebar on fp.o pretty much = sitemap 18:50 < ricky> To begin with: 18:50 < ricky> * Check how active development is 18:50 < ricky> * Check security record 18:50 < ricky> * Setup a test instance, make sure it runs smoothly 18:50 < ricky> * How hard is it to get a Pig Latin version translated/up? Does it break the workflow for translators? 18:51 * ianweller /facepalm 18:51 < JonRob> should we not look into translations before the hassle of a test instance? 18:51 < ianweller> pig latin. oh boy... ;) 18:51 < ricky> * How well does the publication workflow fit with with docs/websites could use? 18:51 < ricky> Substitute that for whatever language you happen to know :-) 18:52 * ricky might still have a relatively complete Pig Latin translation of FAS in his home dir somewhere... 18:52 < JonRob> where do we want to stick this info for people to see? 18:52 < ricky> And yeah, if it doesn't have translations, period - don't bother with the test instance, I guess 18:52 < ricky> Extra points if it's in Fedora :-) Otherwise, the next step once we have a successful candidate will be to get it in 18:53 < ricky> JonRob: Let's just leave it in the tasks page for now 18:53 < ricky> I'd be pretty surprised and excited if we got good leads on this, to be honest :-) 18:53 < JonRob> ok...but what about our small list of requirements? 18:53 < JonRob> squeeze it in there? 18:53 < JonRob> why not :) 18:53 < ricky> Sure thing 18:54 < ricky> Make it nice and convenient 18:54 < ricky> Anybody else have anything to add to the checklist? 18:54 < JonRob> ok... 18:54 < JonRob> silence sounds good to me 18:54 < ricky> quaid: Would you be able to elaborate on what "publication workflow" means in that last item? 18:54 < JonRob> lol 18:55 * ricky just stuffed the term in there :-) 18:56 < ricky> JonRob: If you're editing Tasks right now, mind adding a link to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PageRequests in there? 18:56 < JonRob> ricky: i wasn't gonna get to it until the morning 18:56 < ricky> JonRob: No worries - I can take care of that quickly now 18:57 < JonRob> ricky, i think publication workflow is the way it gets from draft to final version 18:57 < ricky> (Just wanted to avoid having do an edit merge) 18:57 < JonRob> so it would ordinarily look something like: 18:57 < JonRob> i write a doc, or several of us write a doc 18:57 < JonRob> mark it as needing editing 18:57 < JonRob> or review 18:57 < JonRob> and somebody else looks over it for style/grammar/content accuracy 18:58 < JonRob> they mark it as done or return to author 18:58 < JonRob> and either process starts back again with author 18:58 < JonRob> or it gets pushed live 18:58 < JonRob> though quaid may have something entirely different in mind, that is my experience of various publication workflows :) 18:58 < ricky> Ah, all right 18:59 < JonRob> one thing to note is that free software magazine has all these processes integrated into their site 18:59 < JonRob> though that's drupal based 19:00 < JonRob> but i bet their editor/site developer would be happy to talk with us 19:00 < JonRob> i know tony mobily a little and he's very easy to talk with 19:01 < ricky> This might be a bit dated, but it could be helpful: 19:01 < ricky> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsRequirements 19:02 < ricky> (and http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsRequirements/CmsTest, maybe) 19:03 * JonRob must leave soon 19:03 -!- ianweller is now known as ianweller_afk 19:04 < ricky> So anybody else have something to bring up? :-) 19:04 < JonRob> i was going to throw a blog post up wiht the list of usability questions 19:04 < JonRob> to try and get a few more people's responses 19:04 < JonRob> will update on that next week 19:05 < JonRob> also, a new task has appeared at the bottom of our list 19:05 < JonRob> but i think that could be more of an infra issue? 19:05 < ricky> Which one? 19:06 < ricky> The content ownership one? 19:06 < ricky> Er, sponsorship 19:06 < JonRob> group join interstital pages in FAS 19:06 < ricky> Oh. 19:06 < ricky> That's kind of a websites/wiki one. 19:06 < JonRob> oh really? 19:06 < JonRob> actually, i'd quite like to revamp the join page 19:06 < ricky> Basically, we want a better Join page 19:06 < JonRob> lol 19:06 < JonRob> i might tackle that this week 19:07 < JonRob> or at least write content for it 19:07 < ricky> One that outlines the process (i.e. talk to the community before applying to the account system admins group) 19:07 < ricky> Er, "Account System Admins (invite only)" group, I should say :-) 19:07 < JonRob> exactly what i had in mind :) 19:08 < JonRob> is there anything else? 19:08 < ricky> spot might also appreciate something that re-emphasizes the "Use your full name, or your CLA will be revoked" 19:08 < JonRob> ?? 19:08 * JonRob missed something, somewhere 19:09 < ricky> Sorry, where did I lose you? 19:09 < JonRob> the comment about spot 19:09 < JonRob> but don't worry about it 19:09 < ricky> I'm just listing a bunch of stuff that might be handy on a high level join page. 19:09 < ricky> Yeah - I was just dumping ideas - we'll want to really drill out what we need at another time 19:10 < JonRob> well, i'll come up with a draft and then we can put our publication workflow knowledge into practice :) 19:10 < JonRob> anyhow, i'm off to sleep now! 19:11 < quaid> sorry I had to disappear in the middle there 19:11 < JonRob> if anyone else has anything else to add this evening 19:11 < quaid> jonrob has the workflow correct, yes 19:11 < JonRob> you guys can take care of it and post the log for me? 19:11 < ricky> JonRob: good night - thanks for doing the meeting 19:11 * ricky will email the log 19:11 < JonRob> cheers! 19:11 < quaid> writer takes draft <=> edit => publish, where publish isn't a return path -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 23:25:35 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:25:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: <1216672022.12676.363.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1216645140.13925.17.camel@rosebud> <1216659619.13925.25.camel@rosebud> <4884DB8C.1030706@projetofedora.org> <1216672022.12676.363.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Also let's us do: > > .planet.docs > .planet.ambassadors > .planet.art > > etc. > > Seth -- did you stop at the second dot? Or did you include tertiary > filtering, e.g.: > > .planet.ambassadors.en_US > This is going to get very messy very fast. We can just ln -s them to the main .planet file if we want, right? -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 00:10:36 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:10:36 -0400 Subject: Planet Rendering Issue In-Reply-To: <20080721222002.GG31410@Max> References: <20080717204152.GA31410@Max> <48803277.8080005@nicubunu.ro> <507738ef0807211514w1c89a201xf0e212579f10b1dc@mail.gmail.com> <20080721222002.GG31410@Max> Message-ID: 2008/7/21 Ricky Zhou : > On 2008-07-21 11:14:55 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Also, in the websites meeting we were wondering how the fix worked? > I tried to rsync from craigt's version, and saw no changes. Perhaps the > bug didn't happen to be very obvious on that day's planet? Hi, I see the diff as follows : [cwt at localhost Desktop]$ diff -u fedora_planet.css fedora_planet.css.1 --- fedora_planet.css 2008-07-17 16:37:51.000000000 -0400 +++ fedora_planet.css.1 2008-07-17 19:22:34.000000000 -0400 @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ +#wrapper{ + overflow: hidden; +} + #planet_nav{ margin: 0 1.5ex; padding: 0 1.5ex; [cwt at localhost Desktop]$ -- Craig From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 02:12:14 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:12:14 -0400 Subject: get-fedora progress? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807211520l74e3a95eu95cc856919f9ef4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807211520l74e3a95eu95cc856919f9ef4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey, > > Was just wondering if we've seen any progress on get-fedora? Juank and > Craig are down as coming up with more mock-ups...any luck here? /me is > on a rampage in meeting to update tasks list! Hi, Ahh, that's a big zarro results from me :( ( ...i can implement someone's pretty pictures, but, man, I hope we are not relying on my design skills for this? :-) fedora deserves better than that ! If there are known things/designs that we would like to see, even just to see or start from, I am happy to point my efforts at implementing them, but I don't know of anything awaiting 'building' ? I was away during fudcon; what happened with our usability testing of our website? have i missed that post on list ? Cheers, -- Craig From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 02:37:09 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:37:09 -0400 Subject: -hu language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 3:56 AM, wrote: > Hello > > I'm a member of the Hungarian Fedora Club and I saw the strange hungarian > translation on the Fedoraproject.org. Yeah I know, it was translated by > some software, or something like that. > > I would like to re-translate it, to make it better. It's just strange as > it's now. If you need help for translating other parts to hungarian, just > write them into the reply too. > > ps.: Some parts of the installer is still in english, even if I choose > hungarian at install. Can you send me a link where I can join to the > translation group and correct these? Hello, ( In fact, I believe the hungarian translation is not machine generated, but I am not sure ) I think the following is what you are looking for: http://translate.fedoraproject.org/ Thank you, -- Craig Thomas From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 02:50:45 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:50:45 -0400 Subject: Planet Rendering Issue In-Reply-To: References: <20080717204152.GA31410@Max> <48803277.8080005@nicubunu.ro> <507738ef0807211514w1c89a201xf0e212579f10b1dc@mail.gmail.com> <20080721222002.GG31410@Max> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: I have committed this patch to our main .css file to fix planet, and things look good all around. This change was to our main .css file so let us know if you see something broken. -- Craig From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 22 21:41:23 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:41:23 +0100 Subject: Join Page Refresh Message-ID: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I said in last night's meeting that I'd start work on a draft of content to go on the join page, to clarify the process and make it more useful. This is what I have so far, but is it too wordy? (Lol, of course this is entirely text, but is it too long!) Best, Jon ----------------- Join Fedora There are many great reasons to join Fedora, and many different ways you can get involved. This page aims to explain what you need to do to join and highlight a few of the ways you can help us. It will also explain some of the tools that Fedora contributors get access to and how to go about accessing them. Fedora Accounts No matter what role you want to fulfill in Fedora, you are going to need a Fedora account. Signing up is easy, and everyone is welcome. When signing up you will be asked to agree to the Fedora Contributor's License Agreement (CLA). The purpose of this is to establish copyright control under Red Hat, providing a number of benefits to the project. Chief amongst these is that it makes it easy for us to ensure that all contributions to Fedora are free and open, as well as providing a means for us to handle any potential law suits. You can read more about the CLA here. Joining A Team Fedora is a very diverse place and no matter what your skills are, we probably have a team you can get to work in. Take a look at the skill sets below, the teams that come under them, and pick the one that interests you most. Once you've decided on a team that suits you, sign up for their mailing list and introduce yourself. Once you've done that, they will advise you about the best way to proceed from there and how you can best help. NB: Many teams have their own "group" within the account system. Membership of these is often required to access some of the tools and to be eligible to vote in elections. Once you've decided on a team, you will also want to apply for the relevant groups, but remember that applying for a group does not automatically mean you will be given access. Although each team works slightly differently, the best way to gain access is to make yourself known and to get involved, maybe even asking somebody to mentor you through some initial tasks. -- List of roles here, along with teams that come under each role, their mailing list and their related groups -- Contributor Tools -- Information about Planet, Talk, Gobby, People etc etc goes here -- From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 23:33:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:33:20 -0400 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 22:41 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > I said in last night's meeting that I'd start work on a draft of > content to go on the join page, to clarify the process and make it > more useful. This is what I have so far, but is it too wordy? (Lol, of > course this is entirely text, but is it too long!) [...snip...] What is the purpose of this page? What should the user be doing on this page? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 23 07:36:05 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:36:05 +0100 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/23 Paul W. Frields : > On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 22:41 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> I said in last night's meeting that I'd start work on a draft of >> content to go on the join page, to clarify the process and make it >> more useful. This is what I have so far, but is it too wordy? (Lol, of >> course this is entirely text, but is it too long!) > [...snip...] > > What is the purpose of this page? What should the user be doing on this > page? To me, the purpose of this page is to explain the process of how one becomes an active Fedora contributor. As it is now, it provides very little information beyond signing up for an account and a link to a wiki page with very little information about each role and the associated teams. To become an active contributor I think one needs to know at least a little bit more than what's currently there. Best, Jon From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 13:13:34 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:13:34 -0400 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 08:36 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/7/23 Paul W. Frields : > > On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 22:41 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> Hey all, > >> > >> I said in last night's meeting that I'd start work on a draft of > >> content to go on the join page, to clarify the process and make it > >> more useful. This is what I have so far, but is it too wordy? (Lol, of > >> course this is entirely text, but is it too long!) > > [...snip...] > > > > What is the purpose of this page? What should the user be doing on this > > page? > > To me, the purpose of this page is to explain the process of how one > becomes an active Fedora contributor. > > As it is now, it provides very little information beyond signing up > for an account and a link to a wiki page with very little information > about each role and the associated teams. To become an active > contributor I think one needs to know at least a little bit more than > what's currently there. I agree this page is wrong as is. I think the right way to do this is to simply direct people to the account system first from this page, without any fanfare. At the completion of the process, the user should then have a choice of: 1. self-service information, by choosing a role that holds interest and landing on a page with actual useful data about what to do next 2. full-service information, where the user is presented with some selections that present a task list. This page fails on #1 because the paths to the self-service data lead the user away from the account system, and not just one click either. The place the user lands has nothing truly useful, so the user is forced to click repeatedly to find other information, making it more unlikely to return to where the path started. The self-service information should be stripped from this initial join.fp.o page, and be presented as a link following account creation. No reason the join.fp.o page couldn't have a small but obvious link like "Why sign up?" leading to a general page like: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ#For_Fedora_Contributors ...or a better page including text similar to what you laid out earlier. You should talk to Luke Macken about #2, because he has some amazing ideas about what to do there. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 23 19:56:39 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:56:39 +0100 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <507738ef0807231256o73e849adx4efaac22316bfaeb@mail.gmail.com> > I agree this page is wrong as is. > > I think the right way to do this is to simply direct people to the > account system first from this page, without any fanfare. At the > completion of the process, the user should then have a choice of: > > 1. self-service information, by choosing a role that holds interest and > landing on a page with actual useful data about what to do next > 2. full-service information, where the user is presented with some > selections that present a task list. This reply largely made sense to me, and having reflected on it I mostly agree with it :) I'm hoping Luke will get back to me with a few details about the ideas he's had you mention - would love to help improve this process. The one point I disagree with is that there shouldn't be "any fanfare" on the join.fp.o landing page. The idea that people arrive at this page and are simply pushed along to FAS seems like a bad one to me, and leaves the user guessing at exactly what they're getting themselves in for and how to go about doing it if they do want to push forward with getting involved. I certainly see now that my post was far too verbose to fulfil this role, but we need *something* IMHO to get the user started, perhaps a series of quick bullet points: Why Join Fedora? * Scratch your itch * Help the community * Make a reputation as an open source superstar How Do I Join? * Get an account (link) * Pick a team * Get involved/Do something! The page could then be split in two, with this on one side and on the other a huge great big link to FAS & the roles. NB: these bullet points are quick and off the top of my head! Beyond this, the parts of the process where we're really tripping up are turning people from account holders into useful contributors, at least as far as I can tell. To improve this, and this I guess is where Luke's ideas might come in, we need to ensure that people have something to do. I have some further thoughts on this (your response got me thinking about this quite a lot - good work :)) but I'll hold out to see what Luke has to say first... Best, Jon From katzj at redhat.com Wed Jul 23 20:19:47 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:19:47 -0400 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807231256o73e849adx4efaac22316bfaeb@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807231256o73e849adx4efaac22316bfaeb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216844387.12420.12.camel@aglarond.local> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 20:56 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > How Do I Join? > > * Get an account (link) > * Pick a team > * Get involved/Do something! This still feels a bit backwards to me. Getting an account isn't the first thing that you should do to get involved with Fedora. Instead, it's actually finding that area of your itch to scratch, picking your team or whatever phrasing you want to put around it. And then you probably want to be on the mailing list/irc channel/whatever and communicate with them. And then, once you're more sure it's something you want to do and are really getting involved and "doing" things, *that* is when having the account matters. This gives us a few useful benefits 1) It avoids the "I have an account, now what" problems (well, moves them at least) 2) Ensures that those we have with accounts are _contributors_. Which then lets us use the number of accounts as a meaningful number 3) Lowers the barrier to finding what you're interested in and seeing that you want to get involved Jeremy From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Wed Jul 23 20:47:08 2008 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <1869517364.137351216845087148.JavaMail.root@zebra.lib.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <1487673786.138291216846028830.JavaMail.root@zebra.lib.ucdavis.edu> ----- "Jeremy Katz" wrote: > 3) Lowers the barrier to finding what you're interested in and seeing > that you want to get involved Sorry to jump in and be somewhat off topic, but I had thought. It would be interesting if users filled in a profile of their interests and skills (not to mention their blog feed etc perhaps). Ideas for questions could probably be gleaned from resume posting sites. (I can program in: o Perl, o Python, o Etc...) Based on this profile FAS groups, mailings lists, etc could be suggested. At the same time project leaders could mine accounts looking for potential helpers. It would basically be a more structured self-introduction email with more staying power. -- Dale Bewley - Unix Administrator - Shields Library - UC Davis GPG: 0xB098A0F3 0D5A 9AEB 43F4 F84C 7EFD 1753 064D 2583 B098 A0F3 From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 23 20:58:02 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:58:02 +0100 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <1216844387.12420.12.camel@aglarond.local> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807231256o73e849adx4efaac22316bfaeb@mail.gmail.com> <1216844387.12420.12.camel@aglarond.local> Message-ID: <507738ef0807231358m437197dap4a2611d81803e014@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/23 Jeremy Katz : > On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 20:56 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> How Do I Join? >> >> * Get an account (link) >> * Pick a team >> * Get involved/Do something! > > This still feels a bit backwards to me. Getting an account isn't the > first thing that you should do to get involved with Fedora. Instead, > it's actually finding that area of your itch to scratch, picking your > team or whatever phrasing you want to put around it. And then you > probably want to be on the mailing list/irc channel/whatever and > communicate with them. And then, once you're more sure it's something > you want to do and are really getting involved and "doing" things, > *that* is when having the account matters. My thought was that by having an account and have signed the click through CLA, it's then possible for new contributors to really get stuck in and do some actual work once they've found the team they want to help. The art team does this very well as is: a new person gets an account and then applies for the art-group, they are then asked in a welcome e-mail to introduce themselves on list and work on an item in the art team's design request queue. This is a model that I think we want to try and pursue in other areas. If we deal with it carefully then we can avoid the "I have an account, now what?" situation, or so I believe. I definitely agree with your point, however, that the most important thing is to get a new contributor interacting and working with the other members of the team they would like to be a part of. Signing up for an account with the CLA is so easy now though, why restrict the work they can do by pushing this to a later point in the process? Best, Jon From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 23 21:07:45 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:07:45 -0400 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807231358m437197dap4a2611d81803e014@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807231256o73e849adx4efaac22316bfaeb@mail.gmail.com> <1216844387.12420.12.camel@aglarond.local> <507738ef0807231358m437197dap4a2611d81803e014@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080723210745.GC21798@Max> On 2008-07-23 09:58:02 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I definitely agree with your point, however, that the most important > thing is to get a new contributor interacting and working with the > other members of the team they would like to be a part of. Signing up > for an account with the CLA is so easy now though, why restrict the > work they can do by pushing this to a later point in the process? Don't forget that some FAS groups are attached to access to things. This definitely raises the barrier for entry, which is one reason that we suggest getting involved with the people (list, IRC, etc.) first. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 21:07:47 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:07:47 +0000 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807231358m437197dap4a2611d81803e014@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807231256o73e849adx4efaac22316bfaeb@mail.gmail.com> <1216844387.12420.12.camel@aglarond.local> <507738ef0807231358m437197dap4a2611d81803e014@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216847267.11972.208.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 21:58 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/7/23 Jeremy Katz : > > On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 20:56 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> How Do I Join? > >> > >> * Get an account (link) > >> * Pick a team > >> * Get involved/Do something! > > > > This still feels a bit backwards to me. Getting an account isn't the > > first thing that you should do to get involved with Fedora. Instead, > > it's actually finding that area of your itch to scratch, picking your > > team or whatever phrasing you want to put around it. And then you > > probably want to be on the mailing list/irc channel/whatever and > > communicate with them. And then, once you're more sure it's something > > you want to do and are really getting involved and "doing" things, > > *that* is when having the account matters. > > My thought was that by having an account and have signed the click > through CLA, it's then possible for new contributors to really get > stuck in and do some actual work once they've found the team they want > to help. The art team does this very well as is: a new person gets an > account and then applies for the art-group, they are then asked in a > welcome e-mail to introduce themselves on list and work on an item in > the art team's design request queue. This is a model that I think we > want to try and pursue in other areas. > > If we deal with it carefully then we can avoid the "I have an account, > now what?" situation, or so I believe. > > I definitely agree with your point, however, that the most important > thing is to get a new contributor interacting and working with the > other members of the team they would like to be a part of. Signing up > for an account with the CLA is so easy now though, why restrict the > work they can do by pushing this to a later point in the process? Yes, and there are easy targets someone can hit, like wiki fixing, that it doesn't make sense to shunt people away from. This is especially true since people in general are getting more exposure to that model of jumpin in from other well-known sites. I do agree that following up with tasks (for data-oriented people) or introductions (for social-oriented people) is an important part of this puzzle. And that, according to Luke, is the primary goal for one of the projects he's working on. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 21:19:15 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:19:15 +0000 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <20080723210745.GC21798@Max> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807231256o73e849adx4efaac22316bfaeb@mail.gmail.com> <1216844387.12420.12.camel@aglarond.local> <507738ef0807231358m437197dap4a2611d81803e014@mail.gmail.com> <20080723210745.GC21798@Max> Message-ID: <1216847955.11972.219.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 17:07 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2008-07-23 09:58:02 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > I definitely agree with your point, however, that the most important > > thing is to get a new contributor interacting and working with the > > other members of the team they would like to be a part of. Signing up > > for an account with the CLA is so easy now though, why restrict the > > work they can do by pushing this to a later point in the process? > Don't forget that some FAS groups are attached to access to things. > This definitely raises the barrier for entry, which is one reason that > we suggest getting involved with the people (list, IRC, etc.) first. The interface could probably make it a bit clearer that we don't expect a new account holder to go applying for a ton of groups before doing anything else. Maybe I should file that as an enhancement? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 23 21:39:15 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:39:15 -0400 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <1216847955.11972.219.camel@victoria> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807231256o73e849adx4efaac22316bfaeb@mail.gmail.com> <1216844387.12420.12.camel@aglarond.local> <507738ef0807231358m437197dap4a2611d81803e014@mail.gmail.com> <20080723210745.GC21798@Max> <1216847955.11972.219.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <20080723213915.GD21798@Max> On 2008-07-23 09:19:15 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The interface could probably make it a bit clearer that we don't expect > a new account holder to go applying for a ton of groups before doing > anything else. Maybe I should file that as an enhancement? Definitely. I think we had some interface version coming, but unfortunately, we had to concentrate on privacy policy stuff for this coming release. There's a ticket open at https://fedorahosted.org/fas/ticket/4. basically, we want to give people a step-by-step wizard for getting involved. Here's my quick mental dump of steps so far (feel free to add ideas to the ticket): 0. Take a look at mailing lists and IRC channels, introduce yourself, get familiar with how they work. 1. Create account 2. Read welcome email, click confirm link 3. Change password 4. Fill in detailed account information 5. Sign CLA (may need to be made optional, as some accounts, like mirrormanager accounts, don't require it) 6. Depending on how each group does things, sign up for groups for tracking/access to stuff This is one of the reasons that I made that post on marketing-list about collecting contributor stories (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-June/msg00225.html) I'd like to see how people typically get involved, and see if we can make our processes fit how they work (it'd also be cool for marketing, both internally and externally). Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gbenson at redhat.com Wed Jul 23 09:38:20 2008 From: gbenson at redhat.com (Gary Benson) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:38:20 +0100 Subject: FWN/Issue133 Message-ID: <20080723093820.GB3795@redhat.com> Hi, I have a minor correction. I was just reading FWN 133, and in this bit: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue133#Java.2C_So_Many_Free_Choices it says: "After all this talk about the many Free choices available in Java Kevin Koffler wondered whether some of the other virtual machines, such as Christian Thalinger's cacao or Gary Benson's shark, both of which attempt to re-implement Hotspot in more portable ways, would be receiving attention." My correction is basically that Shark isn't a virtual machine. I guess you know that in Java you have the virtual machine (that runs the code) and the class library (a block of pre-existing code that applications can use). OpenJDK comprises (essentially) a virtual machine (HotSpot) and a class library. Cacao is a virtual machine that can use the OpenJDK's class library but that runs on more architectures than HotSpot, so one way of supporting stuff that HotSpot doesn't is to use Cacao with OpenJDK's class library. At first we didn't know how the Cacao stuff would work, so we (ie the open source Java team at Red Hat) started working on a different approach, one that makes HotSpot able to compile and run on any Linux system. The result of this was called "zero", which is a non-cpu- specific port of HotSpot. (It's called zero because of the names of the directories in which it appears; if you look in an OpenJDK tarball you'll see: openjdk/hotspot/src/cpu/amd64 openjdk/hotspot/src/cpu/i486 openjdk/hotspot/src/cpu/sparc Zero appears as openjdk/hotspot/src/cpu/zero). The problem with zero is that it's only an interpreter, so it's pretty slow. What Shark is is a JIT for zero. But neither zero nor Shark are virtual machines; the virtual machine you'll be running is still HotSpot. Hope that makes sense! Cheers, Gary From abhishekrane at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 12:05:02 2008 From: abhishekrane at gmail.com (Abhishek Rane) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:35:02 +0530 Subject: Signing up for fedora accounts system doesn't work Message-ID: <200807241735.02181.abhishekrane@gmail.com> Signing up for a new FAS account doesn't work.I have been trying this for about 2 weeks now but doesn't work...I get some kind of a server error. Kindly do the needed changes at your earliest convenience.Please notify me if the error exists only on my system & not on others. From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Jul 24 14:46:37 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:46:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: You guys decide Message-ID: Should we do this or not. It changes the way mediawiki behaves but I think it is a decision that should be made by this team, not infrastructure. https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/636 -Mike From katzj at redhat.com Thu Jul 24 15:19:06 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:19:06 -0400 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807231358m437197dap4a2611d81803e014@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807231256o73e849adx4efaac22316bfaeb@mail.gmail.com> <1216844387.12420.12.camel@aglarond.local> <507738ef0807231358m437197dap4a2611d81803e014@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216912746.12420.47.camel@aglarond.local> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 21:58 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/7/23 Jeremy Katz : > > On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 20:56 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> How Do I Join? > >> > >> * Get an account (link) > >> * Pick a team > >> * Get involved/Do something! > > > > This still feels a bit backwards to me. Getting an account isn't the > > first thing that you should do to get involved with Fedora. Instead, > > it's actually finding that area of your itch to scratch, picking your > > team or whatever phrasing you want to put around it. And then you > > probably want to be on the mailing list/irc channel/whatever and > > communicate with them. And then, once you're more sure it's something > > you want to do and are really getting involved and "doing" things, > > *that* is when having the account matters. > > My thought was that by having an account and have signed the click > through CLA, it's then possible for new contributors to really get > stuck in and do some actual work once they've found the team they want > to help. The art team does this very well as is: a new person gets an > account and then applies for the art-group, they are then asked in a > welcome e-mail to introduce themselves on list and work on an item in > the art team's design request queue. This is a model that I think we > want to try and pursue in other areas. The opposite is the case in a lot of cases where dealing with code -- I don't want to give people access to a group (which gives them commit access) until they've proven that they are actually writing good patches, etc. Or access to cvsextras until they've shown they can build packages and had them reviewed. So maybe it's a difference between groups which are "hi I'm interested" and "this group gives me access to something". > If we deal with it carefully then we can avoid the "I have an account, > now what?" situation, or so I believe. > > I definitely agree with your point, however, that the most important > thing is to get a new contributor interacting and working with the > other members of the team they would like to be a part of. Signing up > for an account with the CLA is so easy now though, why restrict the > work they can do by pushing this to a later point in the process? How does it restrict the work they can do if you move it to later? In the case of the art team, the flow would be something like 1) Become interested, find out about art group, get on mailing list/irc/whatever 2) Start to work on some cool new needed piece of art 3) To take the contribution, we ask that you sign the CLA as opposed to 1) Become interested, sign CLA, create account 2) Find something you're interested in, find out about art group, ... 3) Work on cool new thing Given that in the first case, I'll actually be talking with people who can help me with the account process, it feels a bit better. But maybe Jeremy From katzj at redhat.com Thu Jul 24 15:19:10 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:19:10 -0400 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <1216847955.11972.219.camel@victoria> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807231256o73e849adx4efaac22316bfaeb@mail.gmail.com> <1216844387.12420.12.camel@aglarond.local> <507738ef0807231358m437197dap4a2611d81803e014@mail.gmail.com> <20080723210745.GC21798@Max> <1216847955.11972.219.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1216912750.12420.48.camel@aglarond.local> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 21:19 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 17:07 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > > On 2008-07-23 09:58:02 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > I definitely agree with your point, however, that the most important > > > thing is to get a new contributor interacting and working with the > > > other members of the team they would like to be a part of. Signing up > > > for an account with the CLA is so easy now though, why restrict the > > > work they can do by pushing this to a later point in the process? > > Don't forget that some FAS groups are attached to access to things. > > This definitely raises the barrier for entry, which is one reason that > > we suggest getting involved with the people (list, IRC, etc.) first. > > The interface could probably make it a bit clearer that we don't expect > a new account holder to go applying for a ton of groups before doing > anything else. Maybe I should file that as an enhancement? But what's the value in me having an account before I'm wanting to "contribute" something? Jeremy From katzj at redhat.com Thu Jul 24 15:19:14 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:19:14 -0400 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <1216847267.11972.208.camel@victoria> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807231256o73e849adx4efaac22316bfaeb@mail.gmail.com> <1216844387.12420.12.camel@aglarond.local> <507738ef0807231358m437197dap4a2611d81803e014@mail.gmail.com> <1216847267.11972.208.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1216912754.12420.49.camel@aglarond.local> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 21:07 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Yes, and there are easy targets someone can hit, like wiki fixing, that > it doesn't make sense to shunt people away from. This is especially > true since people in general are getting more exposure to that model of > jumpin in from other well-known sites. But that's the thing -- if someone sees things on the wiki that need fixing and they go to edit and are told they need to login/create an account, that's the time for it to be done. Not at some point before hand when they don't know what they're going to be using it for Jeremy From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jul 24 15:26:57 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:26:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: You guys decide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > Should we do this or not. It changes the way mediawiki behaves but I > think it is a decision that should be made by this team, not > infrastructure. > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/636 Can someone briefly say like 3 potential positives and negatives of making the change versus not making the change? Then, hopefully the right answer becomes obvious. --Max From kwade at redhat.com Thu Jul 24 16:10:00 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:10:00 -0700 Subject: Signing up for fedora accounts system doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200807241735.02181.abhishekrane@gmail.com> References: <200807241735.02181.abhishekrane@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216915800.4325.31.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 17:35 +0530, Abhishek Rane wrote: > Signing up for a new FAS account doesn't work.I have been trying this for > about 2 weeks now but doesn't work...I get some kind of a server error. > Kindly do the needed changes at your earliest convenience.Please notify > me if the error exists only on my system & not on others. What is the specific server error you are getting? Does the error page list what server is reporting the error? For example, app2.phx... etc. -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 17:56:47 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:56:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: You guys decide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > Can someone briefly say like 3 potential positives and negatives of making > the change versus not making the change? > Positives: 1. No confusion between Artwork/ and Artwork, they become one in the same, just not within the wiki -- and so when people post a link like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ to a mailing list it goes to the right place 2. No pages will be allowed to end in slashes 3. More URL consistency 4. *And* if you really want to go to a page ending in a slash, you can add a # at the end of the URL. Negatives: 1. No pages will be allowed to end in slashes 2. Umm... I can't think of any more -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Jul 24 18:50:30 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:50:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: You guys decide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Ian Weller wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > > > Can someone briefly say like 3 potential positives and negatives of making > > the change versus not making the change? > > > > Positives: > 1. No confusion between Artwork/ and Artwork, they become one in the > same, just not within the wiki -- and so when people post a link like > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ to a mailing list it goes to > the right place > 2. No pages will be allowed to end in slashes > 3. More URL consistency > 4. *And* if you really want to go to a page ending in a slash, you can > add a # at the end of the URL. > > Negatives: > 1. No pages will be allowed to end in slashes > 2. Umm... I can't think of any more > negatives: 1) If there are any pages with and without a /. One of them will never be seen again. 2) unforseen. I'm not aware of others doing this, its not the 'mediawiki way' Truth is we don't know what will happen. Its a risk, I'm not sure its very big though. -Mike From sharad.mathur at wipro.com Thu Jul 24 15:09:19 2008 From: sharad.mathur at wipro.com (sharad.mathur at wipro.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:39:19 +0530 Subject: Fedora Core 9 Download Problem Message-ID: <1FBC0C134A2A0C469D7869A0BEC67035F5749F@DEL-GGN-MBX01.wipro.com> Hi, I am getting following error while downloading fc 9. Forbidden You don't have permission to access /fedora/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) Server at ftp.iitm.ac.in Port 80 Thanks and Regards Sharad Mathur Enterprise Services, Wipro Infotech Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. 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URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 24 20:05:20 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:05:20 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 9 Download Problem In-Reply-To: <1FBC0C134A2A0C469D7869A0BEC67035F5749F@DEL-GGN-MBX01.wipro.com> References: <1FBC0C134A2A0C469D7869A0BEC67035F5749F@DEL-GGN-MBX01.wipro.com> Message-ID: <20080724200520.GA6200@Max> On 2008-07-24 08:39:19 PM, sharad.mathur at wipro.com wrote: > I am getting following error while downloading fc 9. > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /fedora/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso/ > Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso on this server. Thanks a lot for the report - we will notify that mirror about the problem. For now, feel free to try another mirror - you can get a list of some different ones to try at: http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?path=pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 20:53:43 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:53:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: You guys decide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > 2) unforseen. I'm not aware of others doing this, its not the 'mediawiki > way' Truth is we don't know what will happen. Its a risk, I'm not sure > its very big though. > I've seen very very few websites that use the concept of pages under other pages (read: slashes) anyway. It has steered toward the concept that we have directories. Ugh. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 25 00:10:13 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:40:13 +0530 Subject: You guys decide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488919E5.8040809@fedoraproject.org> Mike McGrath wrote: > Should we do this or not. It changes the way mediawiki behaves but I > think it is a decision that should be made by this team, not > infrastructure. > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/636 I would vote for making this change. It is terribly annoying that I have to remove a slash to get the page I want. Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 25 11:12:39 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:12:39 +0100 Subject: Meeting Summary - 2008-07-21 Message-ID: <507738ef0807250412h49559293xe55f46df022c2d5c@mail.gmail.com> The summary for this weeks meeting, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-07-21 There was some good stuff there this week, so take a read if you couldn't make it :) Best, Jon From menezes at projetofedora.org Fri Jul 25 23:42:24 2008 From: menezes at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:42:24 -0400 Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1216645140.13925.17.camel@rosebud> <1216659619.13925.25.camel@rosebud> <4884DB8C.1030706@projetofedora.org> <1216672022.12676.363.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <488A64E0.4010407@projetofedora.org> Ian Weller escreveu: > This is going to get very messy very fast. We can just ln -s them to the > main .planet file if we want, right? > Any news about this request? -- Att, Rodrigo Menezes Fedora Amabassador Embaixador do Projeto Fedora http://www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RodrigoMenezes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Sat Jul 26 00:08:24 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. 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To run the installation process in - + text mode, enter: 

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To enable support for a - + serial console, enter serial as an additional option.

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+
-

A.1.4.??Manually Configuring the Network Settings

@@ -285,7 +252,7 @@ -17.5.??Joining the Fedora Community?? +17.6.??Joining the Fedora Community?? Home ??A.2.??Enabling Remote Access to the Installation System Index: ap-install-server.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/ap-install-server.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- ap-install-server.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ ap-install-server.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +Appendix??C.??Setting Up an Installation Server + + + + + + + + + + +Appendix??B.??Installing Without Media + + + + + + + +

  1. Download a Live image or DVD distribution, or to locate an - installation mirror, visit http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/8/.

    2. + installation mirror, visit http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/.

  2. Locate the isolinux/ folder using one of the following methods:

    Index: ap-techref.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/ap-techref.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- ap-techref.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ ap-techref.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +Appendix??D.??Other Technical Documentation + + + + + + + + This document provides a reference for using the Fedora installation software, known as anaconda. To learn more about - + anaconda, visit the project Web page: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda.

    @@ -39,7 +51,7 @@
    Boot Loader

    Fedora uses the - + GRUB boot loader. Refer to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ for more information. @@ -52,7 +64,7 @@

    Storage Management

    - + Logical Volume Management (LVM) provides administrators with a range of facilities to manage storage. By default, the Fedora installation process formats drives as LVM volumes. Refer to @@ -62,7 +74,7 @@

    Audio Support

    The Linux kernel used by Fedora incorporates - + ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture). For more information about ALSA, refer to the project Web site: http://www.alsa-project.org/. @@ -70,7 +82,7 @@

    Graphics System

    Both the installation system and Fedora use the - + Xorg suite to provide graphical capabilities. Components of Xorg manage the display, keyboard and mouse for the desktop environments that @@ -80,7 +92,7 @@

    Remote Displays

    Fedora and anaconda include - + VNC (Virtual Network Computing) software to enable remote access to graphical displays. For more information about VNC, refer to the documentation on the RealVNC Web site: @@ -99,21 +111,21 @@

    Remote System Access

    Fedora incorporates the - + OpenSSH suite to provide remote access to the system. The SSH - + service enables a number of functions, which include access to the command-line from other systems, remote command execution, and network file transfers. During the installation process anaconda may use the scp - + feature of OpenSSH to transfer crash reports to remote systems. Refer to the OpenSSH Web site for more information: http://www.openssh.com/.

    Access Control

    - + SELinux provides Mandatory Access Control (MAC) capabilities that supplement the standard Linux security features. Refer to the SELinux FAQ for more information: @@ -123,7 +135,7 @@

    The Linux kernel used by Fedora incorporates the netfilter framework to provide - + firewall features. The Netfilter project website provides documentation for both netfilter, and the iptables administration facilities: @@ -132,7 +144,7 @@

    Software Installation

    Fedora uses - + yum to manage the RPM packages that make up the system. Refer to http://docs.fedoraproject.org/yum/ for more @@ -140,7 +152,7 @@

    Virtualization

    - Virtualization provides the capability to + Virtualization provides the capability to simultaneously run multiple operating systems on the same computer. Fedora also includes tools to install and manage the secondary systems on a Fedora host. You may select Index: ch-beginninginstallation.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-beginninginstallation.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- ch-beginninginstallation.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ ch-beginninginstallation.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +Chapter??4.??Beginning the Installation + + + + + + + + + + +Chapter??13.??Boot Loader + + + + + + + + A boot loader is a small program that reads and launches the operating system. Fedora uses the - + GRUB boot loader by default. If you have multiple operating systems, the boot loader determines which one to boot, usually by offering a menu. @@ -54,7 +66,7 @@

    By default, the installation program installs GRUB in the master boot record, - or MBR, of the device for the root + or MBR, of the device for the root file system. To decline installation of a new boot loader, select No boot loader will be installed.

    Index: ch-disk-partitioning.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-disk-partitioning.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- ch-disk-partitioning.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ ch-disk-partitioning.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +Chapter??12.??Disk Partitioning + + + + + + + +

    12.1.??RAID and Other Disk Devices

12.1.1.??Hardware RAID

-

+

RAID, or Redundant Array of Independent Disks, allows a group, or array, of drives to act as a single device. Configure any RAID functions Index: ch-experts-quickstart.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-experts-quickstart.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- ch-experts-quickstart.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ ch-experts-quickstart.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +Chapter??2.??Quick Start for Experts + + + + + + + + + + +Chapter??16.??First Boot + + + + + + + +

Chapter??16.??First Boot

-

+

The Setup Agent launches the first time that you start a new Fedora system. Use Setup Agent to configure the system for use before you log @@ -50,7 +62,7 @@ This screen displays the overall licensing terms for Fedora. Each software package in Fedora is covered by its own license which has been approved by the - + Open Source Initiative (OSI). For more information about the OSI, refer to http://www.opensource.org/. Index: ch-installer-locale.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-installer-locale.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- ch-installer-locale.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ ch-installer-locale.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +Chapter??5.??Identifying Your Locale + + + + + + + + + + +Chapter??15.??Installing Packages + + + + + + + + + + +Chapter??1.??Introduction + + + + + + + + + + +Chapter??9.??Network Configuration + + + + + + + +

Manual network configuration of a Fedora system is often not - required. Many networks have a DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration + required. Many networks have a DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) service that automatically supplies connected systems with configuration data. By default, Fedora activates all network interfaces on your computer and configures them to use DHCP.

-

Fedora contains complete support for both +

Fedora contains complete support for both IPv4 and IPv6. By default, Fedora configures network interfaces on your computer for both IPv4 and IPv6 support, and to use DHCP over both IPv4 and IPv6. @@ -56,7 +68,7 @@

9.1.??Network Devices

-

+

Fedora displays a list of network interfaces detected on your computer. Each interface must have a unique IP address on the network to which it is attached. The @@ -75,7 +87,7 @@

The Network Configuration screen does not - list modems. Configure these devices after installation + list modems. Configure these devices after installation with the Network utility. The settings for your modem are specific to your particular Internet Service Provider (ISP). @@ -107,7 +119,7 @@

9.1.2.??Configuring IPv4

-

+

To assign an unchanging, or static, IP address to your system, highlight the interface on the Network Device list and select Index: ch-new-users.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-new-users.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- ch-new-users.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ ch-new-users.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +Chapter??3.??New Users + + + + + + + + Downloading media -

Users with a broadband Internet connection can download +

Users with a broadband Internet connection can download ISO images of CD and DVD media or images of USB flash disks. An ISO image is a copy of an entire disc in a format suitable for writing directly to a CD or DVD. A USB @@ -80,7 +92,7 @@ variety of ways.

3.1.1.??From a Mirror

-

To find the freely downloadable distributions of Fedora, +

To find the freely downloadable distributions of Fedora, look for a mirror. A mirror is a computer server that is open to the public for free downloads of software, including Fedora and often other free and open @@ -100,7 +112,7 @@

3.1.2.??From BitTorrent

-

BitTorrent is a way to download information in cooperation +

BitTorrent is a way to download information in cooperation with other computers. Each computer cooperating in the group downloads pieces of the information in a particular torrent from other peers in the group. Computers that have finished Index: ch-next-steps.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-next-steps.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- ch-next-steps.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ ch-next-steps.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +Chapter??17.??Your Next Steps + + + + + + + + Section??17.3, ???Subscribing to Fedora Announcements and News??? for information on the Fedora + announcement is issued. Refer to Section??17.4, ???Subscribing to Fedora Announcements and News??? for information on the Fedora announcements services.

@@ -48,7 +60,7 @@

To update your system with the latest packages manually, use the - Software Updater: + Software Updater:

  1. @@ -76,7 +88,7 @@

To update packages from the command-line, use the - + yum utility. Type this command to begin a full update of your system with yum:

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Chapter??11.??Set the Root Password

- Fedora uses a special account named root for system + Fedora uses a special account named root for system administration. The root account on a Linux system is not subject to most normal account restrictions. As the system owner or administrator, you may Index: ch-timezone.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-timezone.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- ch-timezone.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ ch-timezone.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +Chapter??10.??Time Zone Selection + + + + + + + + This screen allows you to specify the correct time zone for the location of your computer. Specify a time zone even if you plan to - use NTP (Network Time Protocol) to maintain the accuracy of + use NTP (Network Time Protocol) to maintain the accuracy of the system clock.

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-

Version 9.0.0 (2007-05-13)

+

Version 9.0.2 (2008-07-25)

Copyright ?? 2006, 2007, 2008 Red Hat, Inc., Stuart Ellis, Paul W. Frields

@@ -74,7 +84,7 @@
3.4. How Do I Make Fedora Media?
3.4.1. Making CD or DVD Discs
-
3.4.2. Making USB Media
+
3.4.2. Making USB Media
3.5. What If I Cannot Download Fedora?
3.6. How Do I Start the Installation Program?
@@ -182,9 +192,10 @@
17.1. Updating Your System
17.2. Finishing an Upgrade
-
17.3. Subscribing to Fedora Announcements and News
-
17.4. Finding Documentation and Support
-
17.5. Joining the Fedora Community
+
17.3. Switching to a Graphical Login
+
17.4. Subscribing to Fedora Announcements and News
+
17.5. Finding Documentation and Support
+
17.6. Joining the Fedora Community
A. Boot Options
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    Open Publication works may be reproduced and distributed in @@ -51,7 +58,7 @@

  2. -COPYRIGHT

    +COPYRIGHT

    The copyright to each Open Publication is owned by its author(s) or designee. @@ -59,7 +66,7 @@

  3. -SCOPE OF LICENSE

    +SCOPE OF LICENSE

    The following license terms apply to all Open Publication works, unless otherwise explicitly stated in the document. @@ -87,7 +94,7 @@

  4. -REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS

    +REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS

    All modified versions of documents covered by this license, including translations, anthologies, compilations and partial @@ -119,7 +126,7 @@

  5. -GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

    +GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

    In addition to the requirements of this license, it is requested from and strongly recommended of redistributors that: @@ -148,7 +155,7 @@

  6. -LICENSE OPTIONS

    +LICENSE OPTIONS

    The author(s) and/or publisher of an Open Publication-licensed document may elect certain options by appending language to the Index: rv-revhistory.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/rv-revhistory.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- rv-revhistory.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ rv-revhistory.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,10 @@ + + + +Revision History + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + - +
    Revision History
    Revision 9.0.22008-07-25PWF
    +

    + Fix incorrect livecd-tools instructions +

    +
    Revision 9.0.12008-06-28PWF
    +

    + Lots of bug fixes +

    +
    Revision 9.0.02007-05-132008-05-13 PWF
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    A.4.??Automating the Installation with Kickstart

    A - + Kickstart file specifies settings for an installation. Once the installation system boots, it can read a Kickstart file and carry out the installation process without any @@ -70,97 +82,45 @@

    You may use Kickstart files that are held on either removable storage, a hard drive, or a network server. Refer to - Table??A.2, ???Kickstart Sources??? for the supported Kickstart + Kickstart Sources for the supported Kickstart sources.

    -
    -
    ---- - +
    +
    Kickstart Sources
    +
    + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -
    Kickstart Source Option Format
    -

    - CD or DVD drive -

    -     		-

    - ks=cdrom:/directory/ks.cfg -

    -
    -

    - Hard Drive -

    -     		-

    - ks=hd:/device/directory/ks.cfg -

    -
    -

    - Other Device -

    -     		-

    - ks=file:/device/directory/ks.cfg -

    -
    -

    - HTTP Server -

    -     		-

    - ks=http://server.mydomain.com/directory/ks.cfg -

    -
    -

    - FTP Server -

    -     		-

    - ks=ftp://server.mydomain.com/directory/ks.cfg -

    -
    -

    - NFS Server -

    -     		-

    - ks=nfs:server.mydomain.com:/directory/ks.cfg -

    -
    CD or DVD driveks=cdrom:/directory/ks.cfg
    Hard Driveks=hd:/device/directory/ks.cfg
    Other Deviceks=file:/device/directory/ks.cfg
    HTTP Serverks=http://server.mydomain.com/directory/ks.cfg
    FTP Serverks=ftp://server.mydomain.com/directory/ks.cfg
    NFS Serverks=nfs:server.mydomain.com:/directory/ks.cfg
    -

    Table??A.2.??Kickstart Sources

    +

-

+

To obtain a Kickstart file from a script or application on a Web server, specify the URL of the application with the ks= option. If you add the option Index: sn-boot-modes.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-boot-modes.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-boot-modes.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-boot-modes.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +A.6.??Using the Maintenance Boot Modes + + + + + + + + Fedora includes the Memtest86 memory testing application. To boot your computer in - memory testing mode, choose Memory + memory testing mode, choose Memory test at the boot menu. The first test starts immediately. By default, Memtest86 carries out a total of ten tests. @@ -48,9 +60,9 @@

A.6.2.??Booting Your Computer with the Rescue Mode

-

+

You may boot a command-line Linux system from either a - + rescue disc or an installation disc, without installing Fedora on the computer. This enables you to use the utilities and functions of a running Linux system to modify or repair systems Index: sn-booting-from-pxe.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-booting-from-pxe.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-booting-from-pxe.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-booting-from-pxe.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +4.4.??Booting from the Network using PXE + + + + + + + +

4.4.??Booting from the Network using PXE

- To boot with PXE, you need a properly configured server, and a + To boot with PXE, you need a properly configured server, and a network interface in your computer that supports PXE. For information on how to configure a PXE server, refer to Appendix??C, Setting Up an Installation Server.

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Hardware manufacturers may supply - + driver disks for Fedora with the device, or provide image files to prepare the disks. To obtain the latest drivers, download the correct file from the website of the manufacturer. @@ -88,73 +100,36 @@

The installation system can also read drivers from disk images that are held on network servers. Refer to - Table??A.3, ???Driver Disk Image Sources??? for the supported sources of + Driver Disk Image Sources for the supported sources of driver disk image files.

-
-
---- - +
+
Driver Disk Image Sources
+
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -
Image Source Option Format
-

- Select a drive or device -

- 		-

- dd -

-
-

- HTTP Server -

- 		-

- dd=http://server.mydomain.com/directory/drivers.img -

-
-

- FTP Server -

- 		-

- dd=ftp://server.mydomain.com/directory/drivers.img -

-
-

- NFS Server -

- 		-

- dd=nfs:server.mydomain.com:/directory/drivers.img -

-
Select a drive or devicedd
HTTP Serverdd=http://server.mydomain.com/directory/drivers.img
FTP Serverdd=ftp://server.mydomain.com/directory/drivers.img
NFS Serverdd=nfs:server.mydomain.com:/directory/drivers.img
-

Table??A.3.??Driver Disk Image Sources

+
-

A.5.2.??Overriding Automatic Hardware Detection

@@ -179,190 +154,83 @@ To override the automatic hardware detection, use one or more of the following options:

-
-
---- - +
+
Hardware Options
+
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -
Compatibility Setting Option
-

- Disable all hardware detection -

- 		-

- noprobe -

-
-

- Disable graphics, keyboard, and mouse detection -

- 		-

- headless -

-
-

- Disable automatic monitor detection (DDC) -

- 		-

- skipddc -

-
-

- Disable mainboard APIC -

- 		-

- noapic -

-
-

- Disable power management (ACPI) -

- 		-

- acpi=off -

-
-

- Disable Direct Memory Access (DMA) for IDE drives -

- 		-

- ide=nodma -

-
-

- Disable BIOS-assisted RAID -

- 		-

- nodmraid -

-
-

- Disable Firewire device detection -

- 		-

- nofirewire -

-
-

- Disable parallel port detection -

- 		-

- noparport -

-
-

- Disable PC Card (PCMCIA) device detection -

- 		-

- nopcmcia -

-
-

- Disable USB storage device detection -

- 		-

- nousbstorage -

-
-

- Disable all USB device detection -

- 		-

- nousb -

-
-

- Force Firewire device detection -

- 		-

- firewire -

-
-

- Prompt user for ISA device configuration -

- 		-

- isa -

-
Disable all hardware detectionnoprobe
Disable graphics, keyboard, and mouse detectionheadless
Disable automatic monitor detection (DDC)skipddc
Use basic VESA driver for videoxdriver=vesa
Disable mainboard APICnoapic
Disable power management (ACPI)acpi=off
Disable Direct Memory Access (DMA) for IDE, SATA, and + ATAPI driveslibata.dma=0
Enable DMA only for IDE and SATA driveslibata.dma=1
Disable BIOS-assisted RAIDnodmraid
Disable Firewire device detectionnofirewire
Disable parallel port detectionnoparport
Disable PC Card (PCMCIA) device detectionnopcmcia
Disable USB storage device detectionnousbstorage
Disable all USB device detectionnousb
Force Firewire device detectionfirewire
Prompt user for ISA device configurationisa
-

Table??A.4.??Hardware Options

+
-
+
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[Note] Additional Screen
- + @@ -22,7 +34,7 @@
-

17.5.??Joining the Fedora Community

+

17.6.??Joining the Fedora Community

The Fedora Project is driven by the individuals that contribute to it. Community members provide support and documentation to other @@ -48,7 +60,7 @@

- + Index: sn-disk-changes.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-disk-changes.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-disk-changes.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-disk-changes.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +12.8.??Making Disk Changes + + + + + + + + + + +12.7.??Disk Druid + + + + + + + +

12.7.??Disk Druid

- Disk + Disk Druid is an interactive program for editing disk partitions. Users run it only within the Fedora installation system. Disk Druid enables you to configure - Linux software RAID and - LVM to provide more extensible + Linux software RAID and + LVM to provide more extensible and reliable data storage.

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17.4.??Finding Documentation and Support??17.5.??Finding Documentation and Support?? Home ??Appendix??A.??Boot Options
@@ -56,7 +68,7 @@

Select this option to add a partition - or LVM physical + or LVM physical volume to the disk. In the Add partition dialog, choose a mount point and a partition type. If you have more than one disk on the @@ -71,14 +83,14 @@

+ the sha1sum of the downloaded files.

- The /bin/, + The /bin/, /dev/, /etc/, /lib/, /proc/, /root/, and /sbin/ directories may not be used for separate partitions in Disk Druid. These directories reside on the - / (root) partition. + / (root) partition.

The /boot partition may not reside on @@ -136,7 +148,7 @@

Select this option to edit an existing partition, - LVM volume group, or an LVM physical volume + LVM volume group, or an LVM physical volume that is not yet part of a volume group. To change the size of a LVM physical volume partition, first remove it from any volume groups. @@ -178,11 +190,11 @@

You may not label Windows partitions that use the - - NTFS file system with a + + NTFS file system with a mount point in the Fedora installer. You may label - - vfat + + vfat (FAT16 or FAT32) partitions with a mount point. @@ -201,7 +213,7 @@ and user data, it is easier to upgrade your system. The installation program allows you to erase or retain data on specific partitions. If your user data is on a separate - /home partition, you can + /home partition, you can retain that data while erasing system partitions such as /boot.

@@ -220,7 +232,7 @@

Select this option to erase an existing partition - or LVM physical volume. To delete an LVM + or LVM physical volume. To delete an LVM physical volume, first delete any volume groups of which that physical volume is a member.

@@ -239,7 +251,7 @@

Select this option to set up software RAID - on your Fedora system. + on your Fedora system.

Create a software RAID @@ -270,7 +282,7 @@

Select this option to set up LVM - on your Fedora system. First create at least one + on your Fedora system. First create at least one partition or software RAID device as an LVM physical volume, using the New dialog. For more information on LVM, refer to Section??12.3, ???Understanding LVM???. Index: sn-expert-download.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-expert-download.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-expert-download.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-expert-download.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +2.2.??Download Files + + + + + + + + Verify your downloads

Downloads may fail for any number of reasons. Always verify - the sha1sum of the downloaded files.

  1. -

    Download the ISO image for a Live image. Create CD media +

    Download the ISO image for a Live image. Create CD media from the ISO file using your preferred application. You may also use the livecd-tools package to write the image to other bootable media such as a USB flash disk. @@ -46,8 +58,10 @@ preferred application, or put the images on a Windows FAT32 or Linux ext2/ext3 partition.

  2. Download the boot.iso image for a - minimal boot CD or USB flash drive. Write the image to the - approriate physical media to create bootable media.

    3. + minimal boot CD or USB flash drive. Write the image to the + approriate physical media to create bootable media. The boot + media contains no packages but must be pointed at a hard disk or + online repository to complete the installation.

  3. Download the netinst.iso image for a reduced-size boot CD. Write the image to the appropriate physical media to create bootable media.

    4. Index: sn-expert-install.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-expert-install.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-expert-install.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-expert-install.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +2.4.??Install Fedora + + + + + + + + + + +2.5.??Perform Post-installation Steps + + + + + + + + + + +2.3.??Prepare for Installation + + + + + + + +

    2.3.??Prepare for Installation

    -

    Back up any user data you need to preserve.

    +

    Back up any user data you need to preserve.

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    1.3.??Feedback

    -

    The Fedora Documentation Project (Fedora Docs Project) is a group of volunteer writers, editors, +

    The Fedora Documentation Project (Fedora Docs Project) is a group of volunteer writers, editors, translators, and other contributors who create content for free and open source software. The Fedora Docs Project maintains this document and is always interested in reader feedback.

    -

    To send feedback regarding this document, send email to docs at fedoraproject.org, - or visit https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ to file a bug +

    To send feedback regarding this document, file a bug in Bugzilla. To file a bug, fill in "Fedora Documentation" as the Product, choose the name of this document from the Component list, and choose "devel" as the version. Fedora Docs Project volunteers receive your feedback, and Index: sn-finishing-upgrade.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-finishing-upgrade.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-finishing-upgrade.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-finishing-upgrade.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +17.2.??Finishing an Upgrade + + + + + + + + Prev??

    -
    [Tip] Chapter??17.??Your Next Steps??Next +??Next
    @@ -76,13 +88,13 @@ Prev?? Up -??Next +??Next Chapter??17.??Your Next Steps?? Home -??17.3.??Subscribing to Fedora Announcements and News +??17.3.??Switching to a Graphical Login
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    9.2.??Hostname

    On some networks, the DHCP provider also provides the name of the - computer, or hostname. To specify the + computer, or hostname. To specify the hostname, select Manual and type the complete name in the box. The complete hostname includes both the name of the machine and the name of the domain of which it is a member, such as machine1.example.com. The machine name (or "short hostname") is machine1, - and the domain name is example.com. + and the domain name is example.com.

    To set up a home network that is behind an Internet firewall or router, you may want to use hostname.localdomain Index: sn-install-diff-source.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-install-diff-source.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-install-diff-source.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-install-diff-source.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +4.2.??Installing from a Different Source + + + + + + + + + + +6.3.??Installation TCP/IP Configuration + + + + + + + + NFS protocols. You can also instruct the + NFS protocols. You can also instruct the installation program to consult additional software repositories later in the process.

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    3.4.??How Do I Make Fedora Media?

    - You can turn Fedora ISO files into either CD or DVD discs, or - into bootable USB media. + You can turn Fedora ISO files into either CD or DVD discs. You + can turn Fedora Live ISO files into bootable USB media.

    3.4.1.??Making CD or DVD Discs

    @@ -34,11 +46,11 @@ http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/.

    -

    3.4.2.??Making USB Media

    +

    3.4.2.??Making USB Media

    - To make bootable USB media, use either a Fedora Live image or - one of the minimal boot ISO files. You can use either a Windows - or Linux system to make the bootable USB media. + To make bootable USB media, use a Fedora Live image. You can + use either a Windows or Linux system to make the bootable USB + media.

    @@ -46,7 +58,7 @@ @@ -58,10 +70,9 @@ up important data before performing sensitive disk operations.

    -
    -
      +

      1. - Download a Live or minimal boot ISO file as shown in Section??3.3, ???Which Files Do I Download????. + Download a Live ISO file as shown in Section??3.3, ???Which Files Do I Download????.

      2. Download the Windows @@ -72,11 +83,9 @@ liveusb-creator program to create the bootable USB media.

        3. -
      -

      Procedure??3.1.??Creating Bootable USB Media with Windows

      -
      +
    -

    +

    USB media often comes in the form of flash devices sometimes called pen drives, thumb disks, or keys; or as an @@ -96,7 +105,7 @@

    USB Image Writing is Nondestructive

    - Writing the Live or minimal boot image to the USB media is + Writing the Live image to the USB media is nondestructive. Any existing data on the media will not be harmed.

    1. - Download a Live or minimal boot ISO file as shown in Section??3.3, ???Which Files Do I Download????. + Download a Live ISO file as shown in Section??3.3, ???Which Files Do I Download????.

    2. @@ -137,7 +146,6 @@

    -

    Procedure??3.2.??Creating Bootable USB Media with Linux

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- A gateway is the device that provides access to other networks. - Gateways are also referred to as routers. If your system + A gateway is the device that provides access to other networks. + Gateways are also referred to as routers. If your system connects to other networks through a gateway, enter its IP address in the Gateway box.

- Most software relies on the DNS (Domain Name Service) + Most software relies on the DNS (Domain Name Service) provider to locate machines and services on the network. DNS converts hostnames to IP addresses and vice versa. A Fedora system may use more than one DNS server. If the primary DNS server does Index: sn-news-subscriptions.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-news-subscriptions.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-news-subscriptions.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-news-subscriptions.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +17.4.??Subscribing to Fedora Announcements and News + + + + + + + + - + +Prev?? @@ -22,7 +34,7 @@
-

17.3.??Subscribing to Fedora Announcements and News

+

17.4.??Subscribing to Fedora Announcements and News

To receive information about package updates, subscribe to either the announcements mailing list, or the RSS feeds. @@ -62,15 +74,15 @@

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-Prev?? Chapter??17.??Your Next Steps ??Next
+Prev?? - + - +
-Prev?? Up ??Next
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Fedora divides the included software into - package groups. For ease of + package groups. For ease of use, the package selection screen displays these groups as categories.

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Data partitions provide storage for files. Each data partition has a - mount point, to indicate the + mount point, to indicate the system directory whose contents reside on that partition. A partition with no mount point is not accessible by users. Data not located on any other partition resides in the / (or - root) partition. + root) partition.

@@ -75,9 +87,9 @@ @@ -128,13 +140,13 @@

12.2.1.??Partition Types

Every partition has a - partition type, to indicate + partition type, to indicate the format of the - file system on that + file system on that partition. The file system enables Linux to organize, search, and retrieve files stored on that partition. Use the - - ext3 file system + + ext3 file system for data partitions that are not part of LVM, unless you have specific needs that require another type of file system.

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12.3.??Understanding LVM

-

+

LVM (Logical Volume Management) partitions provide a number of advantages over standard partitions. LVM partitions are formatted as - physical volumes. One or + physical volumes. One or more physical volumes are combined to form a - volume group. Each volume + volume group. Each volume group's total storage is then divided into one or more - logical volumes. The logical + logical volumes. The logical volumes function much like standard partitions. They have a file system type, such as ext3, and a mount point.

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The / (or - root) partition is the top of the directory + root) partition is the top of the directory structure. The - /root + /root (sometimes pronounced "slash-root") directory is the home directory of the user account for system administration.

Installing a VNC Client on Fedora

- + Fedora includes vncviewer, the client provided by the developers of VNC. To obtain vncviewer, install the @@ -58,7 +70,7 @@

A.2.1.??Enabling Remote Access with VNC

- + To enable remote graphical access to the installation system, enter two options at the prompt:

@@ -111,7 +123,7 @@

To have the installation system automatically connect to a VNC client, first start the client in - + listening mode. On Fedora systems, use the -listen option to run vncviewer as a listener. In a @@ -163,7 +175,7 @@

A.2.3.??Enabling Remote Access with Telnet

To enable remote access to a text mode installation, use the - + telnet option at the boot: prompt: Index: sn-smolt.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-smolt.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-smolt.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-smolt.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +16.4.??Hardware Profile + + + + + + + + + + +3.6.??How Do I Start the Installation Program? + + + + + + + +

3.6.??How Do I Start the Installation Program?

-

To start the installation program from minimal boot media, the - rescue CD, or the distribution DVD, follow this procedure:

+

To start the installation program from minimal boot media, a + Live image, or the distribution DVD, follow this procedure:

  1. Power off your computer system.

  2. Disconnect any external FireWire or USB disks that you do Index: sn-understanding-encryption.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-understanding-encryption.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-understanding-encryption.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-understanding-encryption.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +12.4.??Understanding Encryption + + + + + + + + + + +8.2.??Upgrading Using the Installer + + + + + + + + + + +8.3.??Upgrading Boot Loader Configuration + + + + + + + +

    8.3.??Upgrading Boot Loader Configuration

    - Your completed Fedora installation must be registered - in the boot loader to boot properly. + Your completed Fedora installation must be registered + in the boot loader to boot properly. A boot loader is software on your machine that locates and starts the operating system. Refer to Chapter??13, Boot Loader for more information about boot loaders. Index: sn-url-install-settings.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-url-install-settings.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-url-install-settings.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-url-install-settings.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +6.5.??Web and FTP Installation Setup + + + + + + + + + + +10.2.??Universal Co-ordinated Time (UTC) + + + + + + + +

    10.2.??Universal Co-ordinated Time (UTC)

    -

    For purposes of addressing time zones, Universal Co-ordinated +

    For purposes of addressing time zones, Universal Co-ordinated Time is also known as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).

    If Fedora is the only operating system on your computer, select Index: sn-verifying-media.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-verifying-media.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sn-verifying-media.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 +++ sn-verifying-media.php 26 Jul 2008 00:07:53 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +4.3.??Verifying Media + + + + + + + + + + +17.5.??Finding Documentation and Support + + + + + + + + - + @@ -22,7 +34,7 @@
    -

    17.4.??Finding Documentation and Support

    +

    17.5.??Finding Documentation and Support

    Members of the Fedora community provides support through mailing lists, Web forums and Linux User Groups (LUGs) across the world. @@ -88,9 +100,9 @@

    - + - +
    17.4.??Finding Documentation and Support
    17.5.??Finding Documentation and Support
    Prev??
    17.3.??Subscribing to Fedora Announcements and News??17.4.??Subscribing to Fedora Announcements and News?? Home??17.5.??Joining the Fedora Community??17.6.??Joining the Fedora Community

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    3.2.??Which Architecture Is My Computer?

    -

    Releases are separated by architecture, +

    Releases are separated by architecture, or type of computer processor. Use the following table to determine the architecture of your computer according to the type of processor. Consult your manufacturer's documentation for details on the processor if necessary.

    -
    +
    Processor and Architecture Types
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    Full distribution on DVDfedora/linux/releases/9/Live/arch/iso/F-9-arch-DVD.isofedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/arch/iso/F-9-arch-DVD.iso
    Live image
    Minimal CD or USB boot media -fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/arch/os/images/boot.iso or fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/arch/iso/F-9-arch-netinst.iso -Minimal CD boot mediafedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/arch/os/images/boot.iso
    From roland at redhat.com Sat Jul 26 11:13:03 2008 From: roland at redhat.com (Roland McGrath) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "See all mirrors" link broken Message-ID: <20080726111303.5F31515424A@magilla.localdomain> On http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora "See all mirrors" is a link to http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ That link is 404. http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/ shows the apache rpm test page. From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat Jul 26 12:17:50 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:17:50 -0400 Subject: "See all mirrors" link broken In-Reply-To: <20080726111303.5F31515424A@magilla.localdomain> References: <20080726111303.5F31515424A@magilla.localdomain> Message-ID: <1217074670.5989.16.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 04:13 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: > On http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora "See all mirrors" > is a link to http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ > That link is 404. > > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/ shows the apache rpm test page. I'm unable to replicate that here. What IP address are you getting for mirrors.fedoraproject.org? -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From roland at redhat.com Sat Jul 26 21:24:22 2008 From: roland at redhat.com (Roland McGrath) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "See all mirrors" link broken In-Reply-To: Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams's message of Saturday, 26 July 2008 08:17:50 -0400 <1217074670.5989.16.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <20080726111303.5F31515424A@magilla.localdomain> <1217074670.5989.16.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <20080726212422.DDA9815427C@magilla.localdomain> Sorry, it was a local problem. From davide.marchi at cosmogonia.org Sun Jul 27 10:16:29 2008 From: davide.marchi at cosmogonia.org (Davide Marchi) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:16:29 +0200 Subject: cosmogoniA Live! [mini DVD/USB Gnome - KDE - XFce] Message-ID: <488C4AFD.2070702@cosmogonia.org> Hi staff, i would like to submit the new changes about cosmogoniA live distro, Fedora based: /cosmogoniA Live! [mini DVD/USB Gnome - KDE - XFce] / * Fedora Core 9 live mini DVD (1,4GB) based and usable on USB (data persistent) device too. * This Livecd comes with GNOME, KDE and XFce, all usable * Planned and realized for Open Source computer science schooling, multimedia support, system tools, and moore.. * default language of the livecd : italian (but many other included) * web site (italian) www.cosmogonia.org * live distro: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/cosmogonia/ many thanks! -- cosmogoniA noprovarenofareononfarenonc'?provare From mspevack at redhat.com Sun Jul 27 13:58:23 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:58:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: You guys decide In-Reply-To: <488919E5.8040809@fedoraproject.org> References: <488919E5.8040809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: >> Should we do this or not. It changes the way mediawiki behaves but I >> think it is a decision that should be made by this team, not >> infrastructure. >> >> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/636 > > I would vote for making this change. It is terribly annoying that I > have to remove a slash to get the page I want. I vote +1, based on the rest of this thread. Make the change. --Max From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 28 13:27:12 2008 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:27:12 -0400 Subject: About Planet App In-Reply-To: <488A64E0.4010407@projetofedora.org> References: <48801535.9070708@projetofedora.org> <20080718224908.GD31410@Max> <1216424686.18508.10.camel@victoria> <1216431741.12676.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1216645140.13925.17.camel@rosebud> <1216659619.13925.25.camel@rosebud> <4884DB8C.1030706@projetofedora.org> <1216672022.12676.363.camel@calliope.phig.org> <488A64E0.4010407@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <1217251632.4468.20.camel@rosebud> On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 19:42 -0400, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Ian Weller escreveu: > > This is going to get very messy very fast. We can just ln -s them to the > > main .planet file if we want, right? > > > Any news about this request? None, yet. I was thinking about how to implement it better so it scales more nicely with LOTS AND LOTS of subgroups and I had an idea. So, I've been tinkering with the idea before taking it any further. I'll keep you updated on it as I go. thanks, -sv From wvillard at yahoo.fr Mon Jul 28 13:43:06 2008 From: wvillard at yahoo.fr (willy villard) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:43:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: I join you team Message-ID: <529475.88097.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, I'm proud to join your team. I would help you as much as possible. I'm a french young guy (25 years old). I've used Fedora since about 4 years and I enjoy it. About my skills : I work as a Java/J2EE developer for Web-based applications but I have others good skills : PHP(5), SQL, Flash/Flex/ActionScript, CSS(3), XML/XSL/XSLT, Wiki I'm developer but I love graphical arts so I can work with Gimp/Photoshop, Flash, 3DsMax/Blender, Illustrator etc. I'm ready to help if I'm welcome Regards, Willy Villard _____________________________________________________________________________ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente http://mail.yahoo.fr From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Jul 28 16:36:34 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:36:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: You guys decide In-Reply-To: References: <488919E5.8040809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Mike McGrath wrote: > > > Should we do this or not. It changes the way mediawiki behaves but I > > > think it is a decision that should be made by this team, not > > > infrastructure. > > > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/636 > > > > I would vote for making this change. It is terribly annoying that I have to > > remove a slash to get the page I want. > > I vote +1, based on the rest of this thread. Make the change. > Implemented. Some cached pages will need to timeout but it's more or less up and ready. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/ (test) -Mike From lmacken at redhat.com Tue Jul 29 02:50:59 2008 From: lmacken at redhat.com (Luke Macken) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:50:59 -0400 Subject: Join Page Refresh In-Reply-To: <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> References: <507738ef0807221441x798a636gf814e3c328f5aae6@mail.gmail.com> <1216769600.17744.8.camel@victoria> <507738ef0807230036l7708b253sf7e9200ef4d023a4@mail.gmail.com> <1216818814.11972.46.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <20080729025059.GA5334@x300> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:13:34AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 08:36 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > 2008/7/23 Paul W. Frields : > > > On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 22:41 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > >> Hey all, > > >> > > >> I said in last night's meeting that I'd start work on a draft of > > >> content to go on the join page, to clarify the process and make it > > >> more useful. This is what I have so far, but is it too wordy? (Lol, of > > >> course this is entirely text, but is it too long!) > > > [...snip...] > > > > > > What is the purpose of this page? What should the user be doing on this > > > page? > > > > To me, the purpose of this page is to explain the process of how one > > becomes an active Fedora contributor. > > > > As it is now, it provides very little information beyond signing up > > for an account and a link to a wiki page with very little information > > about each role and the associated teams. To become an active > > contributor I think one needs to know at least a little bit more than > > what's currently there. > > I agree this page is wrong as is. > > I think the right way to do this is to simply direct people to the > account system first from this page, without any fanfare. At the > completion of the process, the user should then have a choice of: > > 1. self-service information, by choosing a role that holds interest and > landing on a page with actual useful data about what to do next > 2. full-service information, where the user is presented with some > selections that present a task list. > > This page fails on #1 because the paths to the self-service data lead > the user away from the account system, and not just one click either. > The place the user lands has nothing truly useful, so the user is forced > to click repeatedly to find other information, making it more unlikely > to return to where the path started. The self-service information > should be stripped from this initial join.fp.o page, and be presented as > a link following account creation. No reason the join.fp.o page > couldn't have a small but obvious link like "Why sign up?" leading to a > general page like: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ#For_Fedora_Contributors > ...or a better page including text similar to what you laid out earlier. > > You should talk to Luke Macken about #2, because he has some amazing > ideas about what to do there. If we want Fedora development to efficiently scale to a large number of new contributors, we cannot expect someone to always be there to hold peoples hands and effectively task them with work to do. Saying "Welcome! Here is Bugzilla and a dozen mailing lists" is possibly the best ways to scare someone away, and yet I see it being done far too often. The only way that Fedora development can scale to an infinite number of contributors is if Fedora can properly delegate its own tasks to its contributors. Fedora is enduring some growing-pains at the moment, and I feel that now is the time to take a step back and take a serious look at what we are doing, how we are doing it, and how we can improve. Problems ======== - Our current new contributor process leaves people in the dark. "Ok, I have a Fedora account...what do I do now!? Meh, I guess I'll just troll mailing lists in the mean time..." - Our current process expects people to keep up with a ridiculous number of high-volume data stream: IRC, Email, commits , wiki changes, etc - A serious lack of formal task delegation. - We lack a cohesive list of high level goals. The Feature process is the closest thing we have, but there are no clear actionable items associated with any given feature. - No clear tasks that new people can easily pickup. Issues in bugzilla have default assignees, which don't encourage people to grab bugs and help out. - Our 1-to-1/1-to-many package maintainership model does not scale. - There is no easy way to find someone to help you if you have a problem or a question. This leads to the current state of fedora-devel-list, with an extremely poor signal:noise ratio. - "Special Interest Groups" do not properly accommodate or even encourage new members, nor do they have clear goals, tasks, accountability, documentation, or communication channels. Most are inactive and stale. - Not only is bugzilla an awful workflow tool, but with the amazing growth of fedorahosted, our tasks are spread out even more. - Our communication channels are lacking IRC. No easy way to reference or search conversations. Mailing lists. Overhead of joining and setting up filters. Not easy to reference or search conversations. Threads get stale and die very quickly. An abundance of trolls and ad hominem. Rational discourse is sparse. It's obvious that people do not have anything better to do -- so lets change that :) - Lack of meritocracy. If we don't effectively track what is getting done and who is doing it, it is extremely difficult to give credit where credit is due. Solutions ========= - Fedora needs to know the skills of its contributors. We could add these details to FAS, and make it a part of the new contributor process. I would also love to see this checkbox: [X] I am willing to help people with these subjects (Instant mentorship) - Packages/projects/tasks should know what technology it is comprised of. This way, we can easily funnel people with various skills to the places that need them - A list of high level goals that we wish to accomplish, with a cohesive list of actionable items associated with each goal, organized by the skills required to complete it. - Each action item needs to have associated with it: * The skills required to complete it * Difficulty level / estimated time to complete * A higher level goal associated with this task * A team that is accountable for this task * A team/person that can help with questions regarding this task * A person/group that is working on it - if no one has chosen to work on it, we need to make it dead simple for anyone to say "Hey, I'll give this a shot" - This system needs to automatically touch base with people after a given amount of time. "Hi, I noticed that you've signed up to work on $TASK, but you have not made a status update in $TIME. Click here if you have completed this task. Click here to make a status update. Click here to get help from a mentor Click here to give the task back to the community" - Allow for teams to easily be created and destroyed. Make it simple to create sub-communities. - Allow people to easily join or leave a team. - Funnel bugs/tasks/communication to the appropriate team - Make it trivial to grab tasks - Make it trivial to communicate - Each team should have a Standard Operating Procedure. "Welcome to the $TEAM, here is a handbook containing everything you need to know to start becoming a useful contributor" - Revamp our current maintainership model. We went from a 1-to-1 package to maintainer model to a 1-to-many model. The only possible way to scale is to have a many-to-many model where we have teams of people that are responsible for groups of packages. - Allow for rating of goals/features/etc -- let the community prioritize the goals of the project. - Making our bug and ticket lists much more open, available, and easier to navigate. - Create a simple "I want to work on Fedora" wizard that holds users hands through the new account process, and points them to the right projects/sub-communities/teams/groups/SIGs to get involved with. This is not a comprehensive list by any means; it's merely a braindump that will hopefully be food for thought. I'd be interested to hear what you all think of my various assertions and "solutions". I would love to hear about more problems that people see with the current Fedora community architecture, along with other potential solutions. Cheers, luke From Pascal at Rockford.Com Tue Jul 29 19:50:01 2008 From: Pascal at Rockford.Com (Pascal) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:50:01 -0500 Subject: 500 Internal error Message-ID: <488F7469.4000503@Rockford.Com> The form at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/new gives the below error when submitted: 500 Internal error The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request. From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 29 22:58:31 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:58:31 -0400 Subject: 500 Internal error In-Reply-To: <488F7469.4000503@Rockford.Com> References: <488F7469.4000503@Rockford.Com> Message-ID: <20080729225831.GC9673@Max> On 2008-07-29 02:50:01 PM, Pascal wrote: > The form at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/new gives the > below error when submitted: > > 500 Internal error > > The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from > fulfilling the request. Hi! Can you try again now? We just fixed an error that was preventing that from working. If it still fails, can you tell us what username/full name/email you're giving it? Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ababubio at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 12:08:36 2008 From: ababubio at gmail.com (Padmanabhan Anbazhagan) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:38:36 +0530 Subject: Request for Fedora core3-reg Message-ID: <33540f260807310508x768670f0j524b2cbc3e723da3@mail.gmail.com> Dear sir, Greetings!! I, using FC3 for the past 5years. 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