From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 1 11:05:04 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:05:04 +0100 Subject: New "Get Help" page Message-ID: <1212318304.3044.10.camel@adam> Hey all, A little while ago I wrote this list and the docs list with an idea for a new page that I think we could do with linking from the home page: Get Help (originally support but that's got difficult connotations I think). I drafted it up and wondered what people thought, and if a positive response if anybody would be interested in helping me get it up, preferably as a static page rather than wiki? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/GetSupport Best, Jon From ylynfatt at flowja.com Sun Jun 1 19:12:35 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (ylynfatt) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:12:35 -0500 Subject: New "Get Help" page Message-ID: <4842f4a3.223.7e5e.1194894287@flowja.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Roberts To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Subject: New "Get Help" page Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:05:04 +0100 >Hey all, > >A little while ago I wrote this list and the docs list with >an idea for a new page that I think we could do with >linking from the home page: Get Help (originally support >but that's got difficult connotations I think). > >I drafted it up and wondered what people thought, and if a >positive response if anybody would be interested in helping >me get it up, preferably as a static page rather than wiki? > >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/GetSupport > >Best, > >Jon > Jonathan: I think it's fine and a very good idea. What sort of help do you need to get this page up? Anything I could be of assistance with? - Yannick From mspevack at redhat.com Sun Jun 1 20:41:32 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:41:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Meeting June 2, 20:00 UTC Message-ID: Just a reminder for our next meeting. June 2, 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting. --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Sun Jun 1 20:42:34 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:42:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Meeting June 2, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > Just a reminder for our next meeting. > > June 2, 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you are a task owner, please be prepared to give status. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks (Warning: Max's status on licensing quesitons will be unchanged, due to LinuxTag last week leaving almost no time for anything else. Apologies.) --Max From ianweller at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 23:28:24 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:28:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Meeting June 2, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > Just a reminder for our next meeting. > > June 2, 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting. > Unable to be there due to vacation. :) I'll be sure to read the logs -- ian From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 2 08:08:54 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:08:54 +0100 Subject: Meeting June 2, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1212394134.3051.9.camel@adam> On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 22:41 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > Just a reminder for our next meeting. > > June 2, 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting. Probably won't be able to make it tonight myself. Will try and get updates on my tasks posted to the list (along with some efforts at progressing them :S) Sorry all, Jon From eda at waniasset.com Mon Jun 2 09:39:47 2008 From: eda at waniasset.com (Ed Avis) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:39:47 +0100 Subject: Wiki login error References: Message-ID: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC28003@wcl-exc.wcl.local> I see that you've upgraded the software used for the Fedora wiki. I went to and followed the link 'log in / create account'. A username and password dialogue box came up and I pressed Cancel. Then it went to an error page saying Authorization Required. Since the link text says 'log in / create account', I expected that if I didn't log in successfully I would be taken to the account creation page. -- Ed Avis ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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Any ideas about testing this remotely, maybe we could set a specific time to run a test? Best, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 2 14:38:31 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:38:31 +0100 Subject: Jesse R. introduction In-Reply-To: <41808a630806020414v35e79aa9wcead0f5a8993803b@mail.gmail.com> References: <41808a630806020414v35e79aa9wcead0f5a8993803b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1212417511.9845.1.camel@adam> On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 21:14 +1000, Pog JBR wrote: > G'day everyone, > > My name is Jesse Ruuskanen. > > I would be interested in helping out the fedora websites team. > > I have basic HTML knowledge, I can use javascript and know how to use > microsoft frontpage 2003. > > Is there anyway I could help the fedora websites team? I'd suggest the best way to get started is by following on this list and looking out for things that you think you can help with, and then letting us know about it :) Also, there's a meeting tonight on #fedora-meeting at 2000 UTC for the websites team which would be a good place to go if you're interested too. Looking forward to hearing more from you in the future! Best, Jon From hladewig at kuhlmann-is.de Mon Jun 2 14:00:39 2008 From: hladewig at kuhlmann-is.de (Holger Ladewig - Kuhlmann-Informations-Systeme GmbH) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:00:39 +0200 Subject: Speech Recognition in Fedora Message-ID: <005c01c8c4b9$10521db0$30f65910$@de> Dear ladys and gentlements, I have a little and simple question: who drives this project and is responsible for the development? a customer from us needs some information, cause this hospital is using Fedora and want to use also our solution. for a quick answer I'm deeply grateful Mit freundlichen Gr??en Holger Ladewig Kuhlmann-Informations-Systeme GmbH a member of the Philips Group Otto-Hahn-Str. 9a D-25337 Elmshorn Mobile: +49 (0) 172 647 68 98 Zentrale: +49 (0) 4121 800 48 0 Fax: +49 (0) 4121 800 48 18 E-Mail: hladewig at kuhlmann-is.de Internet: www.kuhlmann-is.de Gesch?ftsf?hrung: Gerhard Schuberth, Holger Ladewig, Gerald Straussberger Gesch?ftssitz: Elmshorn Registergericht: Elmshorn, HRB 1606 "SpeechMagic - Industrial grade speech recognition" MBS_DSGS_09 Wir freuen uns, Sie an unserem Stand auf folgenden Messen begr??en zu d?rfen: Hauptstadtkongress 2008 Medizin und Gesundheit: 04. - 06.06.2008, Berlin, http://www.hauptstadtkongress.de Citrix iForum: 16. - 18.06.2008, M?nchen, http://www.citrix-eventservice.de/iforum2008/ Medica 2008: 19. - 22.11.2008, D?sseldorf, www.medica.de Wichtiger Hinweis: Dieses E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Geschaeftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. 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Please create a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ -Mike From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Jun 2 15:39:34 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:39:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Wiki login error In-Reply-To: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC28017@wcl-exc.wcl.local> References: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC28003@wcl-exc.wcl.local> <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC28017@wcl-exc.wcl.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Ed Avis wrote: > >>I went to > >> and followed > >>the link 'log in / create account'. A username and password > >>dialogue box came up and I pressed Cancel. Then it went to an > >>error page saying Authorization Required. > > >Please create a ticket at > >https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ > > Am I able to create a ticket without logging in? If not there is a chicken and egg problem... > https://fedorahosted.org/web/faq https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ -Mike From eda at waniasset.com Mon Jun 2 15:32:26 2008 From: eda at waniasset.com (Ed Avis) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:32:26 +0100 Subject: Wiki login error References: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC28003@wcl-exc.wcl.local> Message-ID: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC28017@wcl-exc.wcl.local> >>I went to >> and followed >>the link 'log in / create account'. A username and password >>dialogue box came up and I pressed Cancel. Then it went to an >>error page saying Authorization Required. >Please create a ticket at >https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ Am I able to create a ticket without logging in? If not there is a chicken and egg problem... -- Ed Avis ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From ylynfatt at flowja.com Mon Jun 2 18:26:49 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (ylynfatt) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:26:49 -0500 Subject: Meeting June 2, 20:00 UTC Message-ID: <48443b69.c6.641a.1070018698@flowja.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Roberts To: Max Spevack Cc: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Meeting June 2, 20:00 UTC Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:08:54 +0100 >On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 22:41 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: >> Just a reminder for our next meeting. >> >> June 2, 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting. > >Probably won't be able to make it tonight myself. Will try >and get updates on my tasks posted to the list (along with >some efforts at progressing them :S) > >Sorry all, > >Jon > >-- >Fedora-websites-list mailing list >Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list Unforunately, I too will not be able to make it, due to the time. My apologies once again. - Yannick From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 18:53:21 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:53:21 -0400 Subject: Meeting June 2, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <48443b69.c6.641a.1070018698@flowja.com> References: <48443b69.c6.641a.1070018698@flowja.com> Message-ID: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Roberts > To: Max Spevack > Cc: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Meeting June 2, 20:00 UTC > Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:08:54 +0100 > >>On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 22:41 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: >>> Just a reminder for our next meeting. >>> >>> June 2, 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting. I too may not be able to make the meeting, $day_job has been totally nutz and I have some burning issues to attend to.... I will stop by if at all possible, but if not I wanted to post an update to my tasks: -get-fedora pages/progess - nothing to report -common/look feel : I have posted to the ml [0] some of the work I have done on planet, and have a pretty short list of items people brought up. I have completed most of the items in that list, and can post the changes tonight when I get home from $day_job (forgot the usb key!). Sorry to miss again, -- Craig [0] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00362.html From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 2 19:36:10 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:36:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Meeting June 2, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > >> Just a reminder for our next meeting. >> >> June 2, 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting. > > If you are a task owner, please be prepared to give status. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks > > (Warning: Max's status on licensing quesitons will be unchanged, due to > LinuxTag last week leaving almost no time for anything else. Apologies.) Well, given the number of no-shows, this might be a very short meeting. I guess we'll just see what happens in 25 minutes from now. --Max From eda at waniasset.com Mon Jun 2 15:47:52 2008 From: eda at waniasset.com (Ed Avis) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:47:52 +0100 Subject: Wiki login error References: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC28003@wcl-exc.wcl.local> <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC28017@wcl-exc.wcl.local> Message-ID: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC28018@wcl-exc.wcl.local> >>Am I able to create a ticket without logging in? > >https://fedorahosted.org/web/faq Could you update this page to note that you must create a Fedora account and log in before you can open tickets? Otherwise it's a bit confusing, because it has a link 'open a ticket' which takes you to a page that doesn't offer any way to create tickets (unless you are already logged in). I've logged in now and I will file a ticket for the Wiki login box problem as you asked. Thanks for your help. -- Ed Avis ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Mon Jun 2 21:09:32 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:09:32 -0700 Subject: FC5 link is dead Message-ID: I need to download a rescue disk for FC5 but the link is dead: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/5/i386/iso/ This site directed me to the fedora site: http://www.mjmwired.net/linux/2008/04/30/download-older-versions-of-fedora/ Marc Fromm Information Technology Specialist II Financial Aid Department Western Washington University Phone: 360-650-3351 Fax: 360-788-0251 From jonstanley at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 01:03:16 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:03:16 -0400 Subject: FC5 link is dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Marc - Older releases have been moved to save room on the master mirror. But fear not! You can find the FC5 release here: http://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/core/5/i386/iso/ On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: > I need to download a rescue disk for FC5 but the link is dead: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/5/i386/iso/ > > This site directed me to the fedora site: > http://www.mjmwired.net/linux/2008/04/30/download-older-versions-of-fedora/ > > Marc Fromm > Information Technology Specialist II > Financial Aid Department > Western Washington University > Phone: 360-650-3351 > Fax: 360-788-0251 > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > -- Jon Stanley Fedora Bug Wrangler jstanley at fedoraproject.org From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 01:34:20 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:34:20 -0400 Subject: Speech Recognition in Fedora In-Reply-To: <005c01c8c4b9$10521db0$30f65910$@de> References: <005c01c8c4b9$10521db0$30f65910$@de> Message-ID: <1212456860.3057.31.camel@ignacio.lan> On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 16:00 +0200, Holger Ladewig - Kuhlmann-Informations-Systeme GmbH wrote: > Dear ladys and gentlements, > > I have a little and simple question: > > who drives this project and is responsible for the development? > > a customer from us needs some information, cause this hospital is > using Fedora and want to use also our solution. > > > > for a quick answer I'm deeply grateful The Fedora Linux distribution is developed mostly by a worldwide team of volunteers, with Red Hat, Inc. as a major sponsor. 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Please > confirm that this is OK to do so via email. > > Thank you. > > > Ashley Kravitz > ashley at clearedbyashley.com > 818/889-6541 > 818/889-6542 fax Usage of the Fedora logo is discussed here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 03:08:30 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:08:30 -0400 Subject: planet progress Message-ID: Hi all, Sorry to miss the meeting. I have not progressed as far as I had hoped, but, as promised I have posted my progress: http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html -- Craig From mythrikiran at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 03:15:46 2008 From: mythrikiran at gmail.com (Mythri Kiran P) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:45:46 +0530 Subject: Becoming a contributor Message-ID: <5c61067b0806022015m490921b0s66adea28f21c5269@mail.gmail.com> *Mythri Kiran P* *Website-* *http://www.mythrikiran.in* * * *Objective* A challenging position in web development. *Expertise* ? MySQL, MS-Access. ? JSP, PHP, HTML, JavaScript, AJAX ? Installation & administration of mail server. ? Custom web design ? Web site administration *Relevant Experience* *Independent Technical Consultant* Currently working on http://www.materialstt.com (a mineral trading company based in Singapore)as an web administrator. Developed and maintained new web sites for various conferences at S.R.K.R.Engineering College using HTML, JavaScript and Flash. http://www.techfleet08.org http://www.srkriste.org http://nipuna.srkrec.googlepages.com TechFleet'08 *Online Event Developer, 2008* Developed online events based on PHP, AJAX. The application has modules like user registration, confirmation through email,time limit etc., *Projects* *1. Design & Implementation of Web Crawlers:(*B.Tech Project Under Guidance of *Dr. Prof. G. P. Saradhi Varma)* The project "Design & Implementation of Web Crawlers" is based on the crawling algorithms 1. BackLink Algorithm - where breadth first crawler is implemented and 2. HotURL Algorithm - where only URL containing HotWords are crawled. The crawler can crawl data in any language provided the data is in UNICODE format. It is capable of parsing data of Content-Type "text/html" and PDF documents also. In commercial approach an XML-RSS based crawler is designed where the system can respond and send results from RSS Feeds of News Websites to user mobile. Going depth into crawler module, the crawler has three modules. 1. StoreServer - which downloads and saves web documents to database, 2. Indexer - which indexes and ranks in a web page, 3. URLResolver - which extracts links from a webpage and builds a URL database. *Technologies Used: Java, ROME, JDOM, Etymon (packages)* *2. Online TimeTable Manager::(*Under Guidance of *Prof. Bh.V.S.R.K. Raju)* Designed a manageable timetable generator which can be used in intranet by colleges for IBM GreatMind Challenge 2006. It received Nation level Second Prize in MERG, a national level conference. *3. Online Slambook:* Developed a self-used online slambook using PHP, Ajax, YUI and MySql. Users can be invited to fill in slambook and the invitation link is valid only once. The invitation is based on email addresses. *Areas of Interest* - Have been working on Google API's for a long time. - Google Chart API, Google Mail API and few others have been successfully used in practise. - Working on perl and python CGI currently. - YUI has been used in most web developments. -- With Regards, Mythri Kiran P Web Developer E-mail: mythrikiran at pericherla.com Visit us at: http://www.mythrikiran.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 03:57:26 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:57:26 -0400 Subject: planet progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1212465446.3057.50.camel@ignacio.lan> On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 23:08 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > Sorry to miss the meeting. I have not progressed as far as I had > hoped, but, as promised I have posted my progress: > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html Alright, time for some more bike-shedding. - Did you increase the size of the post text? Maybe I'm getting old, but there doesn't seem to be an awful improvement there. - It should "RSS" and "Atom" in the FEEDS section. - Perhaps putting a RSS icon instead of "(feed)" after each name would be better. - "To see your blog" blurb at the bottom is no longer accurate. - The gradient at the top of each post appears to change color when it reaches the blue bar, and the blank area "over" the blue bar appears to be a slightly different color than the blank area in the post. - The bottom of the blue bar isn't curved. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 3 04:24:24 2008 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:24:24 -0400 Subject: planet progress In-Reply-To: <1212465446.3057.50.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1212465446.3057.50.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1212467064.3774.3.camel@cutter> On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 23:57 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 23:08 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > > Sorry to miss the meeting. I have not progressed as far as I had > > hoped, but, as promised I have posted my progress: > > > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html > > Alright, time for some more bike-shedding. > > - Did you increase the size of the post text? Maybe I'm getting old, but > there doesn't seem to be an awful improvement there. > - It should "RSS" and "Atom" in the FEEDS section. > - Perhaps putting a RSS icon instead of "(feed)" after each name would > be better. > - "To see your blog" blurb at the bottom is no longer accurate. That can change to this page link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet_HowTo -sv From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jun 3 05:53:13 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:53:13 +0300 Subject: planet progress In-Reply-To: <1212465446.3057.50.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1212465446.3057.50.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <4844DC49.1070407@nicubunu.ro> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 23:08 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: >> Sorry to miss the meeting. I have not progressed as far as I had >> hoped, but, as promised I have posted my progress: >> >> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html > > Alright, time for some more bike-shedding. > > - Did you increase the size of the post text? Maybe I'm getting old, but > there doesn't seem to be an awful improvement there. This is probably the biggest remaining problem. > - It should "RSS" and "Atom" in the FEEDS section. I don't think Planet can do that without additional patching. For me, is worse that the "feeds" text is always on a new line, resulting is an excessive height for the list. > - Perhaps putting a RSS icon instead of "(feed)" after each name would > be better. Yup, this is *the* solution, an icon would cover both "RSS" and "Atom" cases and will decrease the width (hopefully enough to not have two lines per item any more) > - "To see your blog" blurb at the bottom is no longer accurate. This is trivial to fix. > - The gradient at the top of each post appears to change color when it > reaches the blue bar, and the blank area "over" the blue bar appears to > be a slightly different color than the blank area in the post. > - The bottom of the blue bar isn't curved. I would say: increase the font size and go live. The rest of issues are small enough that they can be easily fixed after. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gfidente at redhat.com Tue Jun 3 11:17:57 2008 From: gfidente at redhat.com (Giulio Fidente) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:17:57 +0200 Subject: Giulio Fidente's introduction Message-ID: <48452865.5030503@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hello everyone ^_^ this is supposed to be my introduction email, but it's not very easy to write! first thing I could do, is to paste here the introduction I wrote already on the "user" page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Gfidente """ I (Giulio Fidente) am a long standing GNU advocate who strongly believes in the freedom cause. I work for red hat. In 2003 I started cruxppc, a port of crux for the power architecture platform, then after a couple of years I left the team and wrote in a few lines of python code mlapd, an access policy delegation daemon for postfix Currently I'm playing a bit with the comet/bajeux protocol and with its partial implementation made in orbited, a comet server written in python. In the latest times I'm having fun just playing with django and turbogears. I found in Fedora a nice compromise between the end user perspective and the power user perspective (yeah my girlfriend uses it too!), that's why I would like to contribute to it. """ then, I'm writing my introduction to this list hoping to be helpful in the future with the website and the documentation on the wiki .. it would be nice to move into marketing too I just tried a couple of minutes ago to use the fedorapeople.org space to publish something, but I need to be in a group other than CLA for use that space ... and I'm not in any other yet (CLA only for now) ... help me if you can, please ^_^ for all the rest, we will see! in the meantime, thanks for what you've done and are doing PS. I forgot the skills, I wrote something in the contributors page (I'm the last one of the potential contributors there, for now) at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Contributors -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhFKGQACgkQUSr9JAjXM7p81ACg6FBtp7xwdzoKjVERRYyepEar naMAnj/2fWui1pjq4gITTOANNSLRZcKA =Hjnl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jun 3 13:12:18 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:12:18 -0700 Subject: planet progress In-Reply-To: <4844DC49.1070407@nicubunu.ro> References: <1212465446.3057.50.camel@ignacio.lan> <4844DC49.1070407@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1212498738.8355.138.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 08:53 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I would say: increase the font size and go live. The rest of issues are > small enough that they can be easily fixed after. +1 Throw a 'beta CSS' badge on it somewhere so people don't start complaining at "mistakes". Then incrementally fix it, and continue to impress people at our can-do Websites attitude. ;-D - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As you probably know, the majority of Fedora web apps are written using TurboGears. > I just tried a couple of minutes ago to use the fedorapeople.org space > to publish something, but I need to be in a group other than CLA for use > that space ... and I'm not in any other yet (CLA only for now) ... help > me if you can, please ^_^ Easily done, I'll sponsor you for the 'web' group, request it here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/list/W* cheers - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gfidente at redhat.com Tue Jun 3 15:16:49 2008 From: gfidente at redhat.com (Giulio Fidente) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:16:49 +0200 Subject: Giulio Fidente's introduction In-Reply-To: <48452865.5030503@redhat.com> References: <48452865.5030503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48456061.7050507@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Giulio Fidente wrote: > I just tried a couple of minutes ago to use the fedorapeople.org space > to publish something, but I need to be in a group other than CLA for use > that space ... and I'm not in any other yet (CLA only for now) ... help > me if you can, please ^_^ chatting on the IRC channel I found out that it wasn't very clear why I was asking for space on fedorapeople.org ... it's not for my personal blog ^_^ the intention is instead to publish a slightly modified dowload page with some changes for the live cd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEUEARECAAYFAkhFYF8ACgkQUSr9JAjXM7oYpQCXRGa/S6csUmqsVGAzZO/jW4PT 3gCdGi/aWXBb7J7In+1An33Ajbw93iM= =+FgQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robin at hazelgold.co.uk Tue Jun 3 14:00:35 2008 From: robin at hazelgold.co.uk (Robin Williams) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:00:35 +0100 Subject: Phishing email Message-ID: <002601c8c582$32d3a290$0200a8c0@HazelGold2002> I have today received a Phishing email directed to a URL based on ccitu938.com domain which linked to your website. Is Phishing what federa projects are about? HazelGold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 15:50:49 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:50:49 -0400 Subject: Phishing email In-Reply-To: <002601c8c582$32d3a290$0200a8c0@HazelGold2002> References: <002601c8c582$32d3a290$0200a8c0@HazelGold2002> Message-ID: <1212508249.3273.3.camel@ignacio.lan> On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 15:00 +0100, Robin Williams wrote: > I have today received a Phishing email directed to a URL based on > ccitu938.com domain which linked to your website. > > Is Phishing what federa projects are about? > > HazelGold What you're seeing is a test page included with the Fedora Linux distribution; we don't actually run that server. You can do a WHOIS query in order to find out who is actually responsible for that server. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From a.badger at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 18:40:56 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:40:56 -0700 Subject: Giulio Fidente's introduction In-Reply-To: <48452865.5030503@redhat.com> References: <48452865.5030503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48459038.90103@gmail.com> Giulio Fidente wrote: > Currently I'm playing a bit with the comet/bajeux protocol and with its > partial implementation made in orbited, a comet server written in python. > > In the latest times I'm having fun just playing with django and turbogears. > Cool! Giulio, if you want to work on TurboGears and comet stuff for Fedora, you can join #fedora-admin or fedora-infrastructure-list and talk about it with lmacken, ricky, J5, or abadger1999 (that's me). We're trying to figure out the best way to integrate comet into our web applications. It could be a long term thing -- maybe waiting until we transition to TurboGears2. Or maybe implementing in a single app at first to see how it works. But it is something we're interested int. We're also interested in just getting more TurboGears interested people working on our current services. If that's interesting to you, I can point you at some projects I'm working on, or you can get together with some of the other guys. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hey all, I think I've crossed off all the bigger items : http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet_2/planet.html -- Craig From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 4 00:53:38 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:53:38 -0400 Subject: planet progress In-Reply-To: References: <20080603221305.GA3883@Max> Message-ID: <20080604005338.GE3883@Max> On 2008-06-03 08:45:21 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: > I think I've crossed off all the bigger items : > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet_2/planet.html Beautiful, I love the RSS icons. Do you think they look better on the right or on the left? (I'd have to see it to know). Also, any thoughts on adding some text for the link at the bottom of posts? Right now, it's just a long link without any obvious label. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 01:14:29 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:14:29 -0400 Subject: planet progress In-Reply-To: <20080604005338.GE3883@Max> References: <20080603221305.GA3883@Max> <20080604005338.GE3883@Max> Message-ID: 2008/6/3 Ricky Zhou : > On 2008-06-03 08:45:21 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: >> I think I've crossed off all the bigger items : >> >> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet_2/planet.html > Beautiful, I love the RSS icons. Do you think they look better on the > right or on the left? (I'd have to see it to know). > They definitely belong on the left, as on the right the different name lengths cause a really, really jagged edge and the icons take on this sort of 'un-aligned' look...check it out, it's really neat actually :-P http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet_wonky_rss/planet/planet.html > Also, any thoughts on adding some text for the link at the bottom of > posts? Right now, it's just a long link without any obvious label. Maybe 'read $user_name's blog' ?, but I don't like that...I am totally open to ideas. -- Craig > Thanks, > Ricky > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > From juankprada at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 01:59:53 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:59:53 -0500 Subject: planet progress In-Reply-To: References: <20080603221305.GA3883@Max> <20080604005338.GE3883@Max> Message-ID: <1212544793.3401.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 21:14 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > 2008/6/3 Ricky Zhou : > > On 2008-06-03 08:45:21 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: > >> I think I've crossed off all the bigger items : > >> > >> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet_2/planet.html > > Beautiful, I love the RSS icons. Do you think they look better on the > > right or on the left? (I'd have to see it to know). > > > > They definitely belong on the left, as on the right the different name > lengths cause a really, really jagged edge and the icons take on this > sort of 'un-aligned' look...check it out, it's really neat actually > :-P > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet_wonky_rss/planet/planet.html > > > Also, any thoughts on adding some text for the link at the bottom of > > posts? Right now, it's just a long link without any obvious label. > > Maybe 'read $user_name's blog' ?, but I don't like that...I am totally > open to ideas. > > -- > Craig Can you make the title of each post to be tied to each post's body/text, right now if you shrink a bit the browser the hackergotchi overlaps the title btw, great job :) -- Juan Camilo Prada From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 02:18:17 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:18:17 -0400 Subject: planet progress In-Reply-To: <1212544793.3401.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080603221305.GA3883@Max> <20080604005338.GE3883@Max> <1212544793.3401.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 21:14 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: >> 2008/6/3 Ricky Zhou : >> > On 2008-06-03 08:45:21 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: >> >> I think I've crossed off all the bigger items : >> >> >> >> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet_2/planet.html >> > Beautiful, I love the RSS icons. Do you think they look better on the >> > right or on the left? (I'd have to see it to know). >> > >> >> They definitely belong on the left, as on the right the different name >> lengths cause a really, really jagged edge and the icons take on this >> sort of 'un-aligned' look...check it out, it's really neat actually >> :-P >> >> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet_wonky_rss/planet/planet.html >> >> > Also, any thoughts on adding some text for the link at the bottom of >> > posts? Right now, it's just a long link without any obvious label. >> >> Maybe 'read $user_name's blog' ?, but I don't like that...I am totally >> open to ideas. >> >> -- >> Craig > > Can you make the title of each post to be tied to each post's body/text, > right now if you shrink a bit the browser the hackergotchi overlaps the > title Yup :-} ( at least I think) nice catch...the fix cleaned up a top: -50px to get the heads in teh right spots. http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet_2/planet.html > btw, great job :) > > -- > Juan Camilo Prada > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > From wanli.huang at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 02:27:49 2008 From: wanli.huang at gmail.com (Wanli Huang) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:27:49 +1200 Subject: Bug report Message-ID: <94c51ad10806031927r48f2ef42p7ff020f6a20f9e7@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Everyone I tried to upgrade FC6 to FC9 last night. The installation process was fine. The screen kept blinking and flashing after a list of "OK" in the first booting. I could not read anything from the screen. I guess it was should be the first configuration guide screen, which normally appears in the first run. FC6 used to run well. I think the problem would be related the the driver of video card. It is a ATI card. I will post the model later on. Best regards -- Allan (Wanli) Huang Always Helpful? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The screen kept blinking and flashing after a list of "OK" in > the first booting. I could not read anything from the screen. I > guess it was should be the first configuration guide screen, which > normally appears in the first run. FC6 used to run well. I think the > problem would be related the the driver of video card. It is a ATI > card. I will post the model later on. This mailing list is for discussing Fedora's websites. For installation and other end-user issues, see one of the user-oriented resources found on this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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BR, Constantine From gfidente at redhat.com Wed Jun 4 11:36:14 2008 From: gfidente at redhat.com (Giulio Fidente) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:36:14 +0200 Subject: Giulio Fidente's introduction In-Reply-To: <48459038.90103@gmail.com> References: <48452865.5030503@redhat.com> <48459038.90103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48467E2E.1020008@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > Giulio Fidente wrote: > >> Currently I'm playing a bit with the comet/bajeux protocol and with its >> partial implementation made in orbited, a comet server written in python. >> >> In the latest times I'm having fun just playing with django and >> turbogears. > > Cool! Giulio, if you want to work on TurboGears and comet stuff for > Fedora, you can join #fedora-admin or fedora-infrastructure-list and > talk about it with lmacken, ricky, J5, or abadger1999 (that's me). it would be certainly fun, just joined the chan, thanks a lot for helping ^_^ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhGfiwACgkQUSr9JAjXM7rG0wCghyOpnUWKXJ3rlmFazbesbZEE lUMAoNBuvwYt6UTd8X+RCHvVmAjYkVhQ =FKj9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gfidente at redhat.com Wed Jun 4 12:46:19 2008 From: gfidente at redhat.com (Giulio Fidente) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:46:19 +0200 Subject: Giulio Fidente's introduction In-Reply-To: <48456061.7050507@redhat.com> References: <48452865.5030503@redhat.com> <48456061.7050507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48468E9B.5020209@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Giulio Fidente wrote: > > the intention is instead to publish a slightly modified dowload page > with some changes for the live cd as promised, here a revisited version of the "get-fedora" page http://gfidente.fedorapeople.org/out/get-fedora.html.en I tried to make clearer that you can actually use a Live CD to Install Fedora! Why? Because not everybody know what a Live CD is and people discouraged from a 6 cd download, go for any other "faster to download" distro Comments appreciated on the idea and not only on the changes made! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhGjpkACgkQUSr9JAjXM7px9gCg1u7nJPkDaTK0WB9P5g6ZjFS/ ZV4AoN2qlXhxDMr5CW3jopFrS3EVacJs =Uqkv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aacosta at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 5 00:48:57 2008 From: aacosta at fedoraproject.org (Alejandro Acosta) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:48:57 -0600 Subject: Forbidden link Message-ID: <1212626937.3317.5.camel@stacy.localdomain> Hello, when trying to get SHA1SUM file for Fedora 9 i386 ( http://fedoraproject.org/en/verify ) and accesing from Mexico it redirects you to http://fedora.ifc.unam.mx/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso/SHA1SUM and then appears the following message: 403 Forbidden You don't have permission to access /releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso/SHA1SUM on this server. ________________________________________________________________________ Apache/2.2.8 (Fedora) Server at fedora.ifc.unam.mx Port 80 and I'm unable to get the file. Is there another mirror that I can aim to? Thank you Alejandro Acosta Fedora Project Ambassador for Chihuahua, M?xico http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Aacosta From dev at nigelj.com Thu Jun 5 10:56:37 2008 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:56:37 +1200 Subject: Getting the elections app ready (UI) Message-ID: <4847C665.2060602@nigelj.com> Hi guys, Just wanted to poke you guys to see if anyone is interested from a Websites Team POV on improving the UI for the elections application (https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/elections/), I'm gradually implementing one or two changes but I'd really appreciate some help/advice as I'm really rubbish at UI stuff. The main things on the TODO can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/elections/ticket/4 mainly the redesign of the vote form and results pages (some method of showing the proportion of the total votes (I can expose the total count easy enough), there also needs to be room for explanation of the voting method (range voting) for people who don't understand it. Any mock-ups/ideas/whatevers would be *greatly* appreciated. Thanks, Nigel Jones From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 5 11:14:42 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:14:42 +0100 Subject: New "Get Help" page In-Reply-To: <4842f4a3.223.7e5e.1194894287@flowja.com> References: <4842f4a3.223.7e5e.1194894287@flowja.com> Message-ID: <1212664482.5705.0.camel@adam> On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 14:12 -0500, ylynfatt wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Roberts > To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Subject: New "Get Help" page > Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:05:04 +0100 > > >Hey all, > > > >A little while ago I wrote this list and the docs list with > >an idea for a new page that I think we could do with > >linking from the home page: Get Help (originally support > >but that's got difficult connotations I think). > > > >I drafted it up and wondered what people thought, and if a > >positive response if anybody would be interested in helping > >me get it up, preferably as a static page rather than wiki? > > > >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/GetSupport > > > >Best, > > > >Jon > > > > Jonathan: > > I think it's fine and a very good idea. What sort of help do > you need to get this page up? Anything I could be of > assistance with? Well, that's my question to the list: What do we need to do to make this happen? Best, Jon > > - Yannick > From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu Jun 5 14:28:00 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:28:00 -0300 Subject: FAS2 Message-ID: <4847F7F0.3090600@projetofedora.org> Hi! How can a list ambassadors by contry on FAS2 ?? I need this information to organize the Brazilian Fedora Project. Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira http://www.projetofedora.org From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu Jun 5 20:43:50 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:43:50 -0300 Subject: FAS Message-ID: <48485006.4060504@projetofedora.org> Hi! Can you help me with a problem in the FAS ? ROdrigo Padula From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 20:56:54 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:56:54 -0400 Subject: FAS In-Reply-To: <48485006.4060504@projetofedora.org> References: <48485006.4060504@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <1212699414.3273.71.camel@ignacio.lan> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:43 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > Hi! > > Can you help me with a problem in the FAS ? > > ROdrigo Padula The Infrastructure team deals with FAS, not the Website team. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sweet dreams :-} -- Craig From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 6 04:48:07 2008 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:48:07 -0400 Subject: files for planet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1212727687.1876.19.camel@cutter> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 23:13 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > Hi All, > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet_tpl/ > > I have posted a template file, a .css file and an rss icon for the > planet mods. The rss icon is from here: > > http://www.feedicons.com/ > > which I think is OK. I am pretty sure the .tmpl file is correct, > however my synapses are definitely starting to misfire... > > I am not sure who to hand this stuff to for further testing? ping me > if I missed. > > Sweet dreams :-} > Are you on irc? come by and bug me on #fedora-admin. I can setup a test instance of this stuff to make sure it works/looks properly. -sv From mads at kiilerich.com Fri Jun 6 23:36:57 2008 From: mads at kiilerich.com (Mads Kiilerich) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:36:57 +0200 Subject: After wiki conversion: Where can I see the old moinmoin pages? Message-ID: <4849CA19.6000308@kiilerich.com> Hi, I am a semi-regular wiki contributer. I would like to do some cleanup after the conversion to MediaWiki. Specifically YumUpgradeFaq. I think/now that something was lost in the conversion, so I would like to have a look at the old moinmoin page. IIRC I saw it mentioned that it was alive somewhere, but I can't find it. Perhaps a link could be set in the conversion-entry in the history for each page? Or on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing? Thanks, Mads -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing? > > Thanks, > Mads http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold/ -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From chema at gmx.net Sat Jun 7 09:28:59 2008 From: chema at gmx.net (Jose Maria Martinez) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:28:59 +0200 Subject: Brief Comment: Delete user feature Message-ID: <1212830939.2843.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, Just a brief comment. It would be nice to have a "delete account" option in Fedora Accounts (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/home). For instance, I have created, by mistake, two accounts. One of them, with an undesired username for this account (raistlin) and I can't see a way to delete the wrong account, and only leave the proper one: Wrong Account: User: raistlin email: bursalia2k at yahoo.es Proper One: User: chema email: chema at gmx.net Thanks, Regards, -- Chema chema at gmx.net From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 20:02:22 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (craig thomas) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:02:22 -0400 Subject: files for planet In-Reply-To: <1212727687.1876.19.camel@cutter> References: <1212727687.1876.19.camel@cutter> Message-ID: On Jun 6, 2008, at 12:48 AM, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 23:13 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet_tpl/ >> >> I have posted a template file, a .css file and an rss icon for the >> planet mods. The rss icon is from here: >> >> http://www.feedicons.com/ >> >> which I think is OK. I am pretty sure the .tmpl file is correct, >> however my synapses are definitely starting to misfire... >> >> I am not sure who to hand this stuff to for further testing? ping me >> if I missed. >> >> Sweet dreams :-} >> > > Are you on irc? > > come by and bug me on #fedora-admin. I can setup a test instance of > this > stuff to make sure it works/looks properly. Yup: giarc OK. Will bug you on irc next week, away with my family this weekend:) -- Craig > > > -sv > > From mads at kiilerich.com Sat Jun 7 21:59:25 2008 From: mads at kiilerich.com (Mads Kiilerich) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:59:25 +0200 Subject: After wiki conversion: Where can I see the old moinmoin pages? In-Reply-To: <1212803185.20217.7.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <4849CA19.6000308@kiilerich.com> <1212803185.20217.7.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <484B04BD.9070803@kiilerich.com> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote, On 06/07/2008 03:46 AM: > On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 01:36 +0200, Mads Kiilerich wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am a semi-regular wiki contributer. I would like to do some cleanup >> after the conversion to MediaWiki. Specifically YumUpgradeFaq. I >> think/now that something was lost in the conversion, so I would like to >> have a look at the old moinmoin page. IIRC I saw it mentioned that it >> was alive somewhere, but I can't find it. Perhaps a link could be set in >> the conversion-entry in the history for each page? Or on >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing? >> >> Thanks, >> Mads >> > > http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold/ > Right, thanks. I had guessed and tried http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold - without trailing slash - which didn't work. I know the technical semantics of the trailing slash and that apache cares, but users don't care and usually they don't have to care. I suggest that you make it available on http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold too. /Mads -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3435 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From mads at kiilerich.com Sat Jun 7 22:19:24 2008 From: mads at kiilerich.com (Mads Kiilerich) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:19:24 +0200 Subject: Wiki migration - lost content Message-ID: <484B096C.9010801@kiilerich.com> I don't know who to contact about wiki migration issues. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraProject:Wiki_migration_to-do doesn't mention any contact. Congratulations with the wiki migration. It was 99.9% perfect. Well done, no doubt about that! But: Comparing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq and http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold/YumUpgradeFaq I can see that old "Tips" boxes with several lines has been migrated to literally "YumUpgradeFaq/code" and a couple of fragments on the talk/discussion page. It is OK that formatting wasn't migrated 100%, but it is not acceptable that content is lost. For this specific page I can fix it manually, but it would be very sad if content was lost randomly all over the wiki. I suggest that the scope of the problem is analyzed and an appropriate solution is found. A solution compromise could be to programmatically add a cleanup-request and a note with the lost content to the affected pages. Regards, Mads -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking forward to seeing you all there, Max From a.badger at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 15:28:43 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 08:28:43 -0700 Subject: Meeting reminder -- June 9 @ 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <484BFAAB.7070408@gmail.com> Max Spevack wrote: > Hi all, > > We had a good conversation last week, especially around the future of > get-fedora and beginning to get an idea of how spins.fp.o will function, > from both a front-end and a back-end point of view. > > I think a lot of those conversations will continue at FUDCon, if not > before. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks > > I'd like to try to use tomorrow's meeting to go over some of the other > tasks, especially the ideas around a team working on common look and > feel, and also on any infrastructure-related topics that the websites > team needs to discuss. > Hitting both of these topics, there's a need for common look and feel for all of the TurboGears applications deployed in infrastructure. Bodhi, PackageDB, transifex, fas2, the new elections app, etc would be helped by this. Having a common CSS model (hopefully shared with the other websites) would be especially nice: ie: * header + banner + login + top navigation * sidebar + navigation menu + locale changer * content + title + "normal tables" + [...] * login page * footer + disclaimer + copyright + version Filling in the content in a proper manner is probably the most important part and also the part that I'm least clear on :-/. If anyone has experience designing a conceptual CSS model for use across web sites/applications that would be extremely helpful. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From amtunsi at lttnet.net Sun Jun 8 13:43:36 2008 From: amtunsi at lttnet.net (Ahmed M. 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Thanks to you for being willing to take responsibility for cleaning up content; as I explain below, that is the current operating method. > But: > > Comparing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq and > http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold/YumUpgradeFaq I can see that old "Tips" > boxes with several lines has been migrated to literally > "YumUpgradeFaq/code" and a couple of fragments on the talk/discussion page. > > It is OK that formatting wasn't migrated 100%, but it is not acceptable > that content is lost. For this specific page I can fix it manually, but > it would be very sad if content was lost randomly all over the wiki. I > suggest that the scope of the problem is analyzed and an appropriate > solution is found. A solution compromise could be to programmatically > add a cleanup-request and a note with the lost content to the affected > pages. Sadly, I don't see that happening unless someone else does the work. The Infrastructure/Websites folks who worked on the migration script did what they could in the time involved. There are a few things going on that help mitigate your concern: * People (wiki gardeners) are stepping through or randomly seeking pages and cleaning them up; that helps semi-orphaned pages get at least cleaned up. Eventually, the vast majority of pages will get touched in that way. * Pages really need people who care and feed them. If a page loses content, but none of the page writers cared enough to notice, that page is going to be in the state it is until a wiki gardener finds it. * We're working on a process and tools to get each page sponsored by an individual or group. Content migrations are only one of the many ways a page can be broken, all of the others are done by people editing the page for various reasons, and only an actual sponsor for that content can know how to fix it. In the migration, we had to make a judgment call that the content migration was good enough. Pre-migration imports were done as tests, those were announced to various groups to discuss amongst themselves, time was given to point out missing content and formatting errors, and so on. For every problem we found, we either fixed the migration script or planned a work around. We reached the point of diminishing returns and decided to proceed with the migration schedule. At this point, the new wiki has moved on and doing a sync without overwriting work is likely to take much more effort on the part of a few than manual cleanup spread across the entire community. I'd welcome the effort, but I'm not going to ask anyone to do it. Thanks - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll catch up on the notes though. -Mike From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 9 17:49:11 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:49:11 +0100 Subject: Meeting reminder -- June 9 @ 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1213033751.3087.1.camel@adam> On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:52 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Sun, 8 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > We had a good conversation last week, especially around the future of > > get-fedora and beginning to get an idea of how spins.fp.o will function, from > > both a front-end and a back-end point of view. > > > > I think a lot of those conversations will continue at FUDCon, if not before. > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks > > > > I'd like to try to use tomorrow's meeting to go over some of the other tasks, > > especially the ideas around a team working on common look and feel, and also > > on any infrastructure-related topics that the websites team needs to discuss. > > Apologies from me too, twice over! I can't make this evening's meeting, final exam tomorrow, and I haven't managed to get last week's minutes done because of three exams last week...*sigh* Again sorry, and hopefully normal service will be renewed next week :) Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 9 22:24:08 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:24:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Meeting reminder -- June 9 @ 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <484BFAAB.7070408@gmail.com> References: <484BFAAB.7070408@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jun 2008, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > Hitting both of these topics, there's a need for common look and feel > for all of the TurboGears applications deployed in infrastructure. > Bodhi, PackageDB, transifex, fas2, the new elections app, etc would be > helped by this. Having a common CSS model (hopefully shared with the > other websites) would be especially nice: This will be a topic for the next meeting that Craig Thomas (giarc) attends, as he has previously volunteered to head up some of our look and feel unification efforts. --Max From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 00:29:37 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:29:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback Message-ID: See attached txt file -- ian -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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[1] > > It's critical for people who want to create local mockups of new > designs, and also for pushing our web code into test environments and > ultimately into production. > > If you are interested, please join the fedora-websites-list [2], > introduce yourself (if you're not already known), and look for Ricky > Zhou. > > Thanks! > > --Max > > [1] > http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git?p=fedora-web.git;a=blob;f=fedoraproject.org/README > > [2] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list In response to Max's request, I'd like to offer to help, as I have a bit of experience with Apache. Sadly, I have not yet started working Python, but perhaps this may be an opportunity to do so, as I've been meaning to for a while. My experience with Apache is mostly as part of the traditional LAMP (Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP) stack, and I have worked with mod_rewrite, lots of virtual server configurations, access restrictions, etc. Please let me know if I can be of any service! --Basil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From juankprada at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 03:26:51 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:26:51 -0500 Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1213068411.5590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:29 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > See attached txt file -- ian thanks ianwaller... i really though it was a lot more... the conversation made it look like that. Anyway... ill take that into a count and hopefully by the end of this week ill have something to show again. Anyone who feels like want to suggest/propose/add/criticize something, this is the time to do it. Mail the list and let us know of your ideas. This is the link for current proposal in case you miss the meeting http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/ -- Juan Camilo Prada From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 04:24:18 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 23:24:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback In-Reply-To: <1213068411.5590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1213068411.5590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jun 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > thanks ianwaller... i really though it was a lot more... the > conversation made it look like that. > I thought it was too, until I started compiling it. Don't worry, you're not the only one ;) -- ian From dev at nigelj.com Tue Jun 10 04:54:43 2008 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:54:43 +1200 Subject: Wiki URL Structure (Proposed Change) Message-ID: <484E0913.1070701@nigelj.com> Okay, so for the last X years http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ would take you directly to the wiki, but I'd like to propose that this changes. Why? Simple reason, i18n/l10n Moin Moin gave us the easy ability of having all languages in the one wiki installation, Mediawiki doesn't, the proposed solution is a one-wiki-per-language setup, as such the proposed URL structure is fedoraproject.org/XX/wiki which fits into the whole fedoraproject.org/XX/ fedoraproject.org/XX/get-fedora way of things. The change would involve mod_rewriting /wiki/Foo to /en/wiki/Foo it should be pretty simple but it could potentially be controversial (apparently some people don't like their bookmarks becoming 302s :) This would be implemented when the testing on internationalising the wiki is done (say 1-3 weeks) and/or when the db1 switch over happens (I'm not sure on the date). Thoughts, Comments and Suggestions are welcome! - Nigel From huzaifas at redhat.com Tue Jun 10 06:31:26 2008 From: huzaifas at redhat.com (Huzaifa Sidhpurwala) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:01:26 +0530 Subject: Self Introduction: Huzaifa Sidhpurwala Message-ID: <484E1FBE.5060804@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, My name is Huzaifa, and i am working as a Desktop Sysadmin. I am currently maintain a few packages in fedora. I also write the infrastructure beat in fedora news. I could do some contribution on apache and python. - -- Regards, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala, RHCE, CCNA (IRC: huzaifas) GnuPG Fingerprint: 3A0F DAFB 9279 02ED 273B FFE9 CC70 DCF2 DA5B DAE5 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFITh++zHDc8tpb2uURAtPkAJ98O1Yft2RSjlCN6rejsbaL8CKDgACgnCGA hjOY/Zo7b5BR5rxsg9o6NOk= =40Ey -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marcelo.maia.garcia at googlemail.com Tue Jun 10 09:42:18 2008 From: marcelo.maia.garcia at googlemail.com (Marcelo Garcia) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:42:18 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Websites in need of development help] Ricky Zhou Message-ID: <484E4C7A.70904@googlemail.com> Hi This message is for Ricky Zhou. I'm interested in helping with Fedora Web Site. I have some experience with Python and Apache, and I'm interested in learning Genshi. Regards Marcelo -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Max Spevack Subject: Fedora Websites in need of development help Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:30:50 +0200 (CEST) Size: 3794 URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Tue Jun 10 11:57:56 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:57:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Wiki URL Structure (Proposed Change #2): flatten page hierarchies Message-ID: <389552.959071213099076255.JavaMail.www@wwinf8402> I'd like to propose another wiki URL structure change. In the past years, with the previous wiki, there was a drive to build deeply nested page hierarchies. For example Foo SIG was hosted in SIGs/Foo, and its contents put yet another level deeper ie SIGs/Foo/Subject I've noticed while trying to clean up my auto-converted SIG pages that mediawiki **really** wants to use a flat page hierarchy, with categories used to group sets of pages (not surprising given its wikipedia roots; an encyclopedy hierarchy is flat). So I'd like the authorization for interested groups to stop trying to use the tools the way they were not intended, kill the nested deep hierarchy mess and move pages to the wiki root. For example: - SIGs + Category:SIGs + SIGs -> Category:SIGs (redirection) + Special_Interest_Groups -> Category:SIGs (redirection) - SIGs/Foo + Category:Foo SIG (in Category:SIGs) + SIGs/Foo -> Category:Foo SIG (redirection) + Foo_special_interest_group -> Category:Foo SIG (redirection) - SIGs/Foo/Subject1 + Subject1 (in Category:Foo SIG) + SIGs/Foo/Subject1 -> Subject1 (redirection) - SIGs/Foo/Subject2 + Subject2 (in Category:Foo SIG) + SIGs/Foo/Subject2 -> Subject2 (redirection) - SIGs/Bar + Category:Bar SIG (in Category:SIGs) + SIGs/Bar -> Category:Bar SIG (redirection) + Bar_special_interest_group -> Category:Bar SIG (redirection) - SIGs/Bar/Subject3 + Subject3 (in Category:Bar SIG) + SIGs/Bar/Subject3 -> Subject3 (redirection) I've already done some work in this direction for the Fonts SIG: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fonts http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Font_wishlist As you can see, replacing file hierarchies by categories work pretty well, except all the indexes are user-hostile for items not moved to the wiki root (which I have not done yet). So I'd like to do the last step and flatten completely my SIG page hierarchy. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot Cr?ez votre adresse ?lectronique pr?nom.nom at laposte.net 1 Go d'espace de stockage, anti-spam et anti-virus int?gr?s. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lemenkov at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 12:27:17 2008 From: lemenkov at gmail.com (Peter Lemenkov) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:27:17 +0400 Subject: Wiki URL Structure (Proposed Change #2): flatten page hierarchies In-Reply-To: <389552.959071213099076255.JavaMail.www@wwinf8402> References: <389552.959071213099076255.JavaMail.www@wwinf8402> Message-ID: 2008/6/10 Nicolas Mailhot : > I'd like to propose another wiki URL structure change. > > In the past years, with the previous wiki, there was a drive to build deeply > nested page hierarchies. For example Foo SIG was hosted in SIGs/Foo, and its > contents put yet another level deeper ie SIGs/Foo/Subject Yes. We need to flatten this mess. > As you can see, replacing file hierarchies by categories work pretty well, > except all the indexes are user-hostile for items not moved to the wiki root > (which I have not done yet). So I'd like to do the last step and flatten > completely my SIG page hierarchy. Vote for this! -- With best regards! From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Tue Jun 10 13:09:38 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback In-Reply-To: <1213068411.5590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1213068411.5590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4705.192.54.193.53.1213103378.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mar 10 juin 2008 05:26, Juan Camilo Prada a ?crit : > Anyone who feels like want to suggest/propose/add/criticize something, > this is the time to do it. Mail the list and let us know of your > ideas. Please forget about the fixed width part. The content wiki writers add is more important than castrating the website for a front page banner. -- Nicolas Mailhot From juankprada at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 13:14:54 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:14:54 -0500 Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback In-Reply-To: <4705.192.54.193.53.1213103378.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1213068411.5590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4705.192.54.193.53.1213103378.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1213103694.4642.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 15:09 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Mar 10 juin 2008 05:26, Juan Camilo Prada a ?crit : > > > Anyone who feels like want to suggest/propose/add/criticize something, > > this is the time to do it. Mail the list and let us know of your > > ideas. > > Please forget about the fixed width part. The content wiki writers add > is more important than castrating the website for a front page banner. > im not sure if i am confused (if so please let me know). The wiki content has nothing to do with actual fp.o website which is in fact a static-content site so i wouldnt worry about wiki writers here. -- Juan Camilo Prada From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Jun 10 13:35:50 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:35:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jun 2008, Ian Weller wrote: > See attached txt file -- ian Thanks very much, Ian. /me thought it was a lot more too, but I guess that's why we take the time to go through and distill down all the comments that are more or less the same into the most meaningful ones. :) --Max From greg.sieranski at quoininc.com Tue Jun 10 13:56:17 2008 From: greg.sieranski at quoininc.com (Sieranski, Greg) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:56:17 -0400 Subject: Hi Message-ID: <484E8801.2040309@quoininc.com> Hi all, My name is Greg Sieranski and I would love to help on the sites build scripts. How can I become involved? Thanks, Greg Sieranski From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Tue Jun 10 14:06:45 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:06:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback In-Reply-To: <1213103694.4642.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1213068411.5590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4705.192.54.193.53.1213103378.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1213103694.4642.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <50972.192.54.193.53.1213106805.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mar 10 juin 2008 15:14, Juan Camilo Prada a ?crit : > im not sure if i am confused (if so please let me know). The wiki > content has nothing to do with actual fp.o website which is in fact a > static-content site so i wouldnt worry about wiki writers here. I'm probably the one confused :( But I don't like fixed width anyway. -- Nicolas Mailhot From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jun 10 16:06:06 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:06:06 -0700 Subject: Wiki URL Structure (Proposed Change #2): flatten page hierarchies In-Reply-To: References: <389552.959071213099076255.JavaMail.www@wwinf8402> Message-ID: <1213113966.3866.28.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 16:27 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > 2008/6/10 Nicolas Mailhot : > > I'd like to propose another wiki URL structure change. > > > > In the past years, with the previous wiki, there was a drive to build deeply > > nested page hierarchies. For example Foo SIG was hosted in SIGs/Foo, and its > > contents put yet another level deeper ie SIGs/Foo/Subject > > Yes. We need to flatten this mess. > > > As you can see, replacing file hierarchies by categories work pretty well, > > except all the indexes are user-hostile for items not moved to the wiki root > > (which I have not done yet). So I'd like to do the last step and flatten > > completely my SIG page hierarchy. > > Vote for this! Before the move and since, we've been discussing this issue amongst the wiki gardening crew. We'd like to see new pages adhere to a new structure, and to have groups begin moving existing pages to a new structure. We're working on the details of the structure at [[Help:Wiki Structure]]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_Structure * Flat namespaces: Docs/SecurityGuide => Security_Guide * Categories: Docs/Drafts/GetInvolvedGuide => Get_Involved_Guide in Category:Draft_Documentation, then moved to Category:Documentation when complete One thing we've been tossing back and forth is how to deal with the two distinct audiences to the wiki: end-users and contributors. One argument is categorize and create ways to keep from duplicate naming problems. For example, adding (SIG) on the end of SIG pages. Another idea is to use Namespace:Foo, that is, create a new MediaWiki "Namespace" that sorts content into a separated part of the wiki. This removes the content from the index for the site Namespace (FedoraProject:). This might make sense in some cases, e.g. QA: for all the QA test plans. I don't think we want to sequester SIG or subProject content in that way. One reason we used directory-like hierarchy in the past was to make it "easier" to find pages. MediaWiki has a good search mechanism, but AFAICT it needs spaces "_" in page names to find words in titles. Regardless, it's going to do a better job of helping people find content than the MoinMoin search did. Another view point is that we don't want to hide contributor content from end-users, but it would help if we, for example, put a badge on end-user focused pages so it was clear "this is for help with using Fedora." That can be easily done with a template, cf. [[Template:Move]] for an idea of how it works. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also make sure to reply to the mailing list and not just me :) > atte kristian gutierrez > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To: nicolas.mailhot at gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:14:54 -0500 > > From: juankprada at gmail.com > > CC: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback > > > > On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 15:09 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > Le Mar 10 juin 2008 05:26, Juan Camilo Prada a ?crit : > > > > > > > Anyone who feels like want to suggest/propose/add/criticize > something, > > > > this is the time to do it. Mail the list and let us know of your > > > > ideas. > > > > > > Please forget about the fixed width part. The content wiki writers > add > > > is more important than castrating the website for a front page > banner. > > > > > > > im not sure if i am confused (if so please let me know). The wiki > > content has nothing to do with actual fp.o website which is in fact > a > > static-content site so i wouldnt worry about wiki writers here. > > > > > > -- > > Juan Camilo Prada > > > > -- > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Get news, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. > Check it out! -- Juan Camilo Prada From dkaylor at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 04:39:47 2008 From: dkaylor at gmail.com (David Kaylor) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:39:47 -0400 Subject: Fedora Websites in need of development help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94a5bde10806102139x79084a76h12e6a65dfe97454a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Fedora has been my OS of choice since version 1 (and before that it was Red Hat). Lately, I have felt that it is time to contribute something back and would be happy to help with the web site. I have about 8 years experience as a web developmer, mostly with PHP and Java. I am familiar with Python and Apache. Genshi is new to me but seems simple enough. Per Max's email, I'll look for responses from Ricky Zhou. Regards, Dave On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > Hi Fedora Developers, > > Do you know even a little bit about any of the following: > > * python > * genshi > * apache > > And do you want a chance to learn more and/or put your skills to work? > > The Fedora Websites team is actively looking for some development help on > our build scripts -- this is the code that takes templates and turns it into > HTML. [1] > > It's critical for people who want to create local mockups of new designs, > and also for pushing our web code into test environments and ultimately into > production. > > If you are interested, please join the fedora-websites-list [2], introduce > yourself (if you're not already known), and look for Ricky Zhou. > > Thanks! > > --Max > > [1] > http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git?p=fedora-web.git;a=blob;f=fedoraproject.org/README > > [2] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-devel-announce mailing list > Fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[1] > > It's critical for people who want to create local mockups of new designs, > and also for pushing our web code into test environments and ultimately into > production. > > If you are interested, please join the fedora-websites-list [2], introduce > yourself, and look for Ricky Zhou. > > Thanks! > > --Max > > [1] > http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git?p=fedora-web.git;a=blob;f=fedoraproject.org/README > > [2] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list I've been wanting to contribute in some form to fedora or gnome for a while now. I'd like to help with the python and am happy to look at other areas. I'm quite new to python but have been using it with success in build environments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I at least can not wait for the [[Help:Wiki Structure]]: page to be finished, the fonts SIG wiki was not operationnal anymore, and I've not finished repairing it. So, since I'm doing changes now anyway, could you please review the current fonts SIG state, and suggest eventual modifications before I'm done? Because I firmly intend to spend time away from wiki gardening once I've returned my wiki perimeter to a correct state. -- Nicolas Mailhot From fujisan43 at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 09:53:32 2008 From: fujisan43 at gmail.com (Fujisan) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:53:32 +0200 Subject: 'get Fedora' Message-ID: Here (http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora) we can get only fedora 8 and not 9. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jonstanley at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 12:32:03 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:32:03 -0400 Subject: 'get Fedora' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/6/11 Fujisan : > Here (http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora) we can get only > fedora 8 and not 9. This is a site demonstrating what the http://get.fedoraproject.org page might look like in the future, not the real site. Go to http://get.fedoraproject.org to download Fedora today. Thanks! -Jon From jonstanley at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 12:48:29 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:48:29 -0400 Subject: get-fedora idea - include version Message-ID: >From the last webmaster@ e-mail, I looked at http://get.fp.o and saw that there was no mention that I'd be downloading Fedora 9 if I clicked on one of those links. Maybe instead of 'Fedora, For You', it could be modified to 'Fedora 9, For You' or something of the nature Thoughts? Web design is not my strong suit, so comments/suggestions/flames welcome! :) From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Wed Jun 11 14:02:53 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:02:53 -0400 Subject: get-fedora idea - include version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1213192973.3232.5.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 08:48 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: > >From the last webmaster@ e-mail, I looked at http://get.fp.o and saw > that there was no mention that I'd be downloading Fedora 9 if I > clicked on one of those links. Maybe instead of 'Fedora, For You', it > could be modified to 'Fedora 9, For You' or something of the nature > > Thoughts? Web design is not my strong suit, so > comments/suggestions/flames welcome! :) > I think this idea sounds great. Not everyone may know what the current release number is, and this may help strengthen the version brand. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Jun 11 15:31:20 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:31:20 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 Installation Guide In-Reply-To: <35c3aee40806110231o235c875dh7ea7695dfa949344@mail.gmail.com> References: <35c3aee40806110231o235c875dh7ea7695dfa949344@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213198280.3866.121.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 12:31 +0300, Constantin Cabiniuc wrote: > Hello, > > Could you please provide a PDF version of "Fedora 9 Installation > Guide" ? I downloaded the offline version but a PDF would help me a > lot if I want to go print it at a local printing service. A PDF is one > of the best solutions to go for portability. I just take the file, > give it to them, and print it in a few seconds. Those offlines are > going to give them some headakes :) Thanks for your message. Fedora 9 is the first release where it has been possible to build working PDFs of our guides, although a bit of conversion work is required. I put in a request from the Docs contributors to see if anyone wants to do that conversion; you can watch this thread if you are interested in hearing first when it is done: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-June/msg00029.html Thanks - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kevin.kofler at chello.at Wed Jun 11 18:45:41 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:45:41 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora Message-ID: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> The redesign mockups by Juan Camilo Prada (http://juankprada.livejournal.com/7682.html) raised 2 important issues for which this is apparently the right venue for discussion, so let me state them: 1. Do we really want to highlight a "default" spin on the front page, effectively hiding the others? While I realize the niceness of being able to download Fedora in one click from the fedoraproject.org front page, this means many users (in particular, exactly those targeted by this convenience measure) will miss the fact that the others even exist. We already do a very bad job of advertising all the possible ways of installing Fedora (e.g. network and HDD installs), hiding 2 of the 3 main ways to install Fedora (DVD, GNOME "Desktop" Live CD, KDE Live CD) will only make this worse. :-( 2. Assuming the answer to "1." is "yes", I think the installer DVD would be a much better default than the GNOME-only Desktop Live spin, for several reasons: * Live CDs cannot be used to upgrade existing Fedora installations (without reinstalling from scratch, which is often not possible without deleting user data), the installer DVD can. Attempts to upgrade from a live CD can even lead to data loss (if the user doesn't realize this fact), IIRC this has already happened at least once to someone on the mailing lists. * As the name says, Desktop Live is only targeted at the desktop, whereas the DVD also contains some server and development packages. * The installer DVD also contains popular desktop applications such as OpenOffice.org which are not included on the live images for space reasons. * Desktop Live is GNOME-only, the installer DVD contains both GNOME and KDE. That's why there are 2 main live CD images, the DVD is a nice compromise, whereas defaulting to a GNOME-only spin really sends a message that we don't care about KDE. :-( As one of the KDE maintainers in Fedora, I consider it really unacceptable that my work gets hidden under the carpet that way, while a GNOME-only spin gets presented on the silver plate. There are far more Fedora KDE users than some of you would expect, do you really want to alienate that huge part of your user base? (Now, I also think the installer DVD should make it easier to select KDE, not just through the custom package selection for advanced users, but that's off topic for this list, and the point still stands that with the DVD, at least you _can_ select KDE.) * Most computers these days have DVD drives. * The installer DVD is the actual "Fedora" spin. :-) (And considering all of the above points, I'm definitely not suggesting changing that.) By the way, while only partly related, there's one more thing which I think could really be improved: it should be made more clear that the Desktop spin is GNOME-based (i.e. includes GNOME as its only desktop environment). Right now, only the GNOME foot in the icon is a subtle hint at that and can be easily missed. This is a disservice to users of KDE (and XFCE, too) who may be misled into downloading a spin which does not contain the desktop environment they intend to run. Some possible solutions (while still keeping the "Desktop Live" name, which as I understand it is set in stone, even if I disagree with it for the same reasons): * changing the heading to "Desktop Live (GNOME-based)" * keeping just "Desktop Live" as the heading, but adding a one-sentence description for every spin (as in Juank's mockup) and mentioning GNOME in the description of "Desktop Live" I'm open to other solutions as long as they make the word "GNOME" appear in a noticeable way next to the "Desktop Live" spin. Kevin Kofler From juankprada at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 19:24:03 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:24:03 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <1213212243.19474.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 20:45 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > The redesign mockups by Juan Camilo Prada > (http://juankprada.livejournal.com/7682.html) raised 2 important issues for > which this is apparently the right venue for discussion, so let me state > them: > > 1. Do we really want to highlight a "default" spin on the front page, > effectively hiding the others? While I realize the niceness of being able to > download Fedora in one click from the fedoraproject.org front page, this > means many users (in particular, exactly those targeted by this convenience > measure) will miss the fact that the others even exist. We already do a very > bad job of advertising all the possible ways of installing Fedora (e.g. > network and HDD installs), hiding 2 of the 3 main ways to install Fedora > (DVD, GNOME "Desktop" Live CD, KDE Live CD) will only make this worse. :-( > I must accept that i have no idea which one is the main release if was the Desktop Live media or the DVD, i just received a comment on my blog from Mike who mentioned that Gnome the official release although i still dont know anything about the media... The idea is not to hide anything from the user. I realize i made a mistake by only showing one single media and not providing information about the other spins and that's something that's easily fixed. Also please remember that Get-Fedora section is still there and it wont only show the Desktop Live media... > 2. Assuming the answer to "1." is "yes", I think the installer DVD would be a > much better default than the GNOME-only Desktop Live spin, for several > reasons: > * Live CDs cannot be used to upgrade existing Fedora installations (without > reinstalling from scratch, which is often not possible without deleting user > data), the installer DVD can. Attempts to upgrade from a live CD can even > lead to data loss (if the user doesn't realize this fact), IIRC this has > already happened at least once to someone on the mailing lists. > * As the name says, Desktop Live is only targeted at the desktop, whereas the > DVD also contains some server and development packages. > * The installer DVD also contains popular desktop applications such as > OpenOffice.org which are not included on the live images for space reasons. > * Desktop Live is GNOME-only, the installer DVD contains both GNOME and KDE. > That's why there are 2 main live CD images, the DVD is a nice compromise, > whereas defaulting to a GNOME-only spin really sends a message that we don't > care about KDE. :-( As one of the KDE maintainers in Fedora, I consider it > really unacceptable that my work gets hidden under the carpet that way, while > a GNOME-only spin gets presented on the silver plate. There are far more > Fedora KDE users than some of you would expect, do you really want to > alienate that huge part of your user base? (Now, I also think the installer > DVD should make it easier to select KDE, not just through the custom package > selection for advanced users, but that's off topic for this list, and the > point still stands that with the DVD, at least you _can_ select KDE.) > * Most computers these days have DVD drives. > * The installer DVD is the actual "Fedora" spin. :-) (And considering all of > the above points, I'm definitely not suggesting changing that.) > ? you're probably right... but then... i would suggest going for the official release rather than the most useful one (let the ones deciding the official release also decide if it should be the most useful one or no)... the idea is to have one core product (either dvd or live media) and that is not for the websites team to decide imo. > By the way, while only partly related, there's one more thing which I think > could really be improved: it should be made more clear that the Desktop spin > is GNOME-based (i.e. includes GNOME as its only desktop environment). Right > now, only the GNOME foot in the icon is a subtle hint at that and can be > easily missed. This is a disservice to users of KDE (and XFCE, too) who may > be misled into downloading a spin which does not contain the desktop > environment they intend to run. Some possible solutions (while still keeping > the "Desktop Live" name, which as I understand it is set in stone, even if I > disagree with it for the same reasons): > * changing the heading to "Desktop Live (GNOME-based)" > * keeping just "Desktop Live" as the heading, but adding a one-sentence > description for every spin (as in Juank's mockup) and mentioning GNOME in the > description of "Desktop Live" > I'm open to other solutions as long as they make the word "GNOME" appear in a > noticeable way next to the "Desktop Live" spin. you are right... i'd also like to make more noticeable the fact that the Desktop live media is actually based on gnome... thanks for all your comments and interest on this :) -- Juan Camilo Prada From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Jun 11 20:03:33 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:03:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New site request Message-ID: Howdy websits'ers. The new asterisk server is under way and we'll need a website for it similar to - https://fedorahosted.org/web/about Few links on the left, few pages. But with the right look and feel. We'll also need to have that serverbeach logo on there (thanks serverbeach :) Pages needed: * About * FAQ * Access * Usage * Troubleshooting Any takers? If so just get to work and stick it in the git repo under asterisk.fedoraproject.org -Mike From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Jun 11 20:24:13 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:24:13 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> Kevin Kofler a ?crit : > 1. Do we really want to highlight a "default" spin on the front page, > effectively hiding the others ? > I think it is *very* important to emphasize a default spin, not necessarily by hiding others, but to make sure casual Fedora users do not run away when confronted by a choice they're not ready to make. To quote a wikipedia article I skimmed today: |? The "Sculley Era" at Apple was characterized by market division and further subdivision, with a large number of models [...] This strategy backfired, as it resulted in high [...] marketing costs, as well as market confusion. Buyers would look at similar machines in a store, each conceived for a particular market but usable elsewhere, and with comparable performance specifications, and become confused as to which product to buy. ? From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 20:34:05 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:34:05 +0000 Subject: Board elections Message-ID: <1213216445.20180.125.camel@victoria> The following candidates have been nominated for the Board elections that run from 0001 UTC 2008-06-13 until 2359 UTC 2008-06-22. Jon Stanley (jds2001) Tom Callaway (spot) Josh Boyer (jwb) Jonathan Roberts (JonRob) Seth Vidal (skvidal) Dennis Gilmore (irc:dgilmore fas:ausil) Jef Spaleta (irc:spoleeba fas:jspaleta) Jesse Keating (irc:f13 fas:jkeating) Nigel, please enter these in the voting system as the nominees, and set the voting time as shown above. Thanks for all your help in revamping our voting system, which hundreds of community members (maybe thousands? I can dream) will hopefully use to elect some of the next year's Fedora leadership. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Wed Jun 11 20:38:54 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:38:54 -0400 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> Message-ID: <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 22:24 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Kevin Kofler a ?crit : > > 1. Do we really want to highlight a "default" spin on the front page, > > effectively hiding the others ? > > > I think it is *very* important to emphasize a default spin, not > necessarily by hiding others, but to make sure casual Fedora users do > not run away when confronted by a choice they're not ready to make. > > To quote a wikipedia article I skimmed today: > > |? The "Sculley Era" at Apple was characterized by market division and > further subdivision, with a large number of models [...] This strategy > backfired, as it resulted in high [...] marketing costs, as well as > market confusion. Buyers would look at similar machines in a store, each > conceived for a particular market but usable elsewhere, and with > comparable performance specifications, and become confused as to which > product to buy. ? > Nicolas, This is a bit of a challenge, because it seems that the official line for the target audience for Fedora is the "FOSS enthusiast", which might limit how "casual" we would expect our users to actually be. Paul emphasized that this doesn't mean we expect someone to be a kernel hacker, but I think the other extreme might also be excluded. http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/16918.html?thread=47894#t47894 I hope I am understanding this wrong, though, because I very much would like Fedora to be something that can make someone into a FOSS enthusiastic by making it easy for them to try it without having much prior experience. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin.kofler at chello.at Wed Jun 11 21:19:40 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:19:40 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> Message-ID: <200806112319.40827.kevin.kofler@chello.at> On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Kevin Kofler a ?crit : > > 1. Do we really want to highlight a "default" spin on the front page, > > effectively hiding the others ? > > I think it is *very* important to emphasize a default spin, not > necessarily by hiding others, but to make sure casual Fedora users do > not run away when confronted by a choice they're not ready to make. Uh, many people _do_ know they want KDE, hiding it from them will only make them believe Fedora doesn't support KDE and go look elsewhere. Have you ever read some of the comments at dot.kde.org on the Fedora-related articles? (The point I raised with the Desktop Live spin not clearly being labeled "GNOME" is a recurrent theme there. Making it the default one-click download and hiding KDE behind an extra page would be a PR disaster.) > To quote a wikipedia article I skimmed today: > |? The "Sculley Era" at Apple was characterized by market division and > further subdivision, with a large number of models [...] This strategy > backfired, as it resulted in high [...] marketing costs, as well as > market confusion. Buyers would look at similar machines in a store, each > conceived for a particular market but usable elsewhere, and with > comparable performance specifications, and become confused as to which > product to buy. ? The GNU/Linux world is not the Apple world, it is built around freedom of choice. Kevin Kofler From juankprada at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 21:21:51 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:21:51 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> Message-ID: <1213219311.3175.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:38 -0400, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 22:24 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Kevin Kofler a ?crit : > > > 1. Do we really want to highlight a "default" spin on the front page, > > > effectively hiding the others ? > > > > > I think it is *very* important to emphasize a default spin, not > > necessarily by hiding others, but to make sure casual Fedora users do > > not run away when confronted by a choice they're not ready to make. > > > > To quote a wikipedia article I skimmed today: > > > > |? The "Sculley Era" at Apple was characterized by market division and > > further subdivision, with a large number of models [...] This strategy > > backfired, as it resulted in high [...] marketing costs, as well as > > market confusion. Buyers would look at similar machines in a store, each > > conceived for a particular market but usable elsewhere, and with > > comparable performance specifications, and become confused as to which > > product to buy. ? > > > Nicolas, > > This is a bit of a challenge, because it seems that the official line > for the target audience for Fedora is the "FOSS enthusiast", which > might limit how "casual" we would expect our users to actually be. > Paul emphasized that this doesn't mean we expect someone to be a > kernel hacker, but I think the other extreme might also be excluded. > > http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/16918.html?thread=47894#t47894 > > I hope I am understanding this wrong, though, because I very much > would like Fedora to be something that can make someone into a FOSS > enthusiastic by making it easy for them to try it without having much > prior experience. By selecting one single media as the official one we are not excluding anyone from using fedora... if we happen to choose the more user friendly media (probably Desktop Live Media imo) new users will find it very easy to use fedora, and most experienced users... well they already know what they want so they will head to get-fedora section and download the media :) -- Juan Camilo Prada From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Jun 11 21:23:24 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:23:24 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> Message-ID: <4850424C.4030806@laposte.net> Basil Mohamed Gohar a ?crit > > This is a bit of a challenge, because it seems that the official line > for the target audience for Fedora is the "FOSS enthusiast", which > might limit how "casual" we would expect our users to actually be. > Paul emphasized that this doesn't mean we expect someone to be a > kernel hacker, but I think the other extreme might also be excluded. So what? Rome was not built in one day. Fedora won't be grandma-ready tomorrow, but there's no reason to make trying Fedora harder than it needs to be. Otherwise we should just kill this fluffy web stuff and revert to publishing some files on a raw ftp server somewhere. We don't want to follow Ubuntu and accept proprietary blobs or old software versions just to appease impatient end-users. However that does not mean we don't want to make the distribution as streamlined as possible within the chosen Fedora parameters. From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Jun 11 21:25:41 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:25:41 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806112319.40827.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> <200806112319.40827.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <485042D5.2060708@laposte.net> Kevin Kofler a ?crit : > On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> Kevin Kofler a ?crit : >> >>> 1. Do we really want to highlight a "default" spin on the front page, >>> effectively hiding the others ? >>> >> I think it is *very* important to emphasize a default spin, not >> necessarily by hiding others, but to make sure casual Fedora users do >> not run away when confronted by a choice they're not ready to make. >> > > Uh, many people _do_ know they want KDE, hiding it from them will only make > them believe Fedora doesn't support KDE and go look elsewhere. Please read what I wrote again. From juankprada at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 21:50:18 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:50:18 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <16de708d0806111430m50d5f910g50e3772672467eaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> <1213219311.3175.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16de708d0806111430m50d5f910g50e3772672467eaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213221018.3175.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:30 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > By selecting one single media as the official one we are not excluding > > anyone from using fedora... if we happen to choose the more user > > friendly media (probably Desktop Live Media imo) new users will find it > > very easy to use fedora, and most experienced users... well they already > > know what they want so they will head to get-fedora section and download > > the media :) > > I think Fedora + "user friendly" is a lost cause. Making decisions > based on that is a wasted effort. > Furthermore, I see no evidence to believe that "desktop live media" is > any more user friendly than "* media" Please be sure to reply to the list and not to my email :) And I disagree... Even if fedora is not for newbies and as stated by paul its for enthusiast, we dont have to make it harder for new users who want to join us to get the media just to start knowing what fedora is all about.... by providing an easy to use install media we can make fedora easy for new enthusiast to join (again i still think Desktop live media is the best choice... but that doesnt mean im right) The thing is not about which one we will be supporting or not... again.. all other spins will still be shown and all of them will be available to download from get-fedora section or from spins.fedoraproject.org (depending on the media). By having a one click download button at the front page we are only suggesting... "hey this is the easiest way to get fedora... click here ant try it out" AND NOT "this IS fedora and any other spin/version wont be supported anymore". Experienced users already know what they want, and so it will be very easy for them to just click on a "more options here..." link or click in the "get-fedora" link on the navigation bar to the left to get the media -- Juan Camilo Prada From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 11 21:59:08 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:59:08 +0100 Subject: Websites guide Message-ID: <1213221548.3101.4.camel@adam> Hey all, following my experiences from this afternoon - thanks all for the help :) - I've put together this quick guide. I think docs will hate me for it because it doesn't follow the style-guide at all, but it's a draft and I'll fix that later (I swear!). The content is accurate, I think, but probably needs re-arranging and re-phrasing because I'm not making lots of sense tonight. Thoughts and feedback are welcome, but I think this is a pretty important document to get right as we try to expand the team :) Best, Jon ------------------------------------------------ = Fedora Websites Contributor Guide = This guide explains how to get access to Fedora's website code, and provides a brief overview of how to make some simple changes and commit them. == Fedora Account System == Firstly, in order to make any changes you will need a Fedora account and to apply to and be sponsored for the web group. Visit http://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/home/ to sign up for a new account, or if you already have one to apply for the web group. To be given membership in the web groupp existing member will have to sponsor you. We're not likely to sponsor you if we don't know you, so send an introductory message to the list or visit us at #fedora-websites on freenode.irc.org. A really great way to get sponsored is to come with a patch ready-made, and you can do this by checking out a copy of Fedora's websites anonymously, which we'll cover next. == Checking Out Fedora's Websites == The Websites Team uses the git revision control system to store all our code, and it is stored on fedorahosted.org. To get a local git repository set-up, the first thing you'll need to do is install git: yum install git Next, you'll want to check out a copy of the code. You can do this either annonymously or as a registered user once you have been sponsored in the web team and set up your ssh key. To check out the code anonymously use this command: git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git To do this using ssh use this command: git clone ssh://@git.fedorahosted.org/git-fedora-web.git Once this is done, you'll have a fedora-web folder containing all of the files that create Fedora's websites. After the initial clone, you'll be able to use git pull instead, which will only retrieve changes that have been made since you last updated. == fedora-web Directory Structure == The top-level fedora-web folder contains individual folders for each of the sites that the Fedora Websites team looks after in this manner. For now, we'll simply examine the fedoraproject.org folder, where the files for the main project site are kept. In this folder, you'll find 10 new files and folders: build: contains all of the bits that compile Fedora's websites together. For most day to day changes you can safely ignore this. ChangeLog: is a changelog. You should update this file everytime you make a change to the website so everyone knows what you did. data: contains all of the content for the website, including template files, css, images etc. httpd: is used by the Makefile to allow you to test your branch of the website locally. mediawiki: is related to Fedora's wiki, and for the purposes of this guide can be ignored. po: is used by l10n for translations etc. Again, for the purposes of this guide can be ignored. README: contains useful information about the build scripts and how the websites work. static: contains all the images, css and javascript that the websites use. == Updating An Existing Page Or Creating a New One == To make a change to an existing page, or update a new one you're going to need to edit the content under the data/ directory. If the change you want to make is to a common element on multiple pages, such as the header, footer or sidebar, then use the files in the template folder. You'll notice that the majority of the code is basic HTML, but there are a few strange pieces of markup. The most obvious is $Markup(_(' that proceeds any text string. Provided you preceed any text strings that require translation with this, and close these strings with '))} then you'll have no problems. If you'd like more information about this code, I'd suggest reading the Genshi documentation. If the change you want is to an individual page, then you'll need the files in the content folder. The same markup rules as above apply, and besides that you can edit these as you normally would. If you'd like to create a new page, I suggest using an existing file as a template and renaming it to the title of the page you want to create. == Reviewing Your Changes == To see what your changes look like live, change to the fedoraproject.org root directory and run the make command. This will build the website from the template files. It can take the option, which will create output only in the specified language rather than all the available options. The following dependencies are required for make to complete succesfully: Babel python-babel python-feedparser Once the make is finished, you can run make test and point your web browser at localhost:5000 to see your local version of the Fedora website. Run make stoptest when you are finished to stop httpd. == Commiting Your Changes == To commit your changes back to your local git repository, you'll need to run the following commands: git-add for each of the files you've changed git-commit for this command, you'll need to provie a comment describing your changes. Once you've done this, you'll need to put your git repository in a publically accessible place so that others can review your changes. Your fedorapeople.org space is perfect for this. The command below will make this work: scp -r fedora-web @fedorapeople.org Now, let people know about your repository on list or in IRC and ask them to review your changes for inclusion in the live branch. From matt at domsch.com Wed Jun 11 21:25:48 2008 From: matt at domsch.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:25:48 -0500 Subject: Board elections In-Reply-To: <1213216445.20180.125.camel@victoria> References: <1213216445.20180.125.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <20080611212548.GB29377@domsch.com> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 08:34:05PM +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The following candidates have been nominated for the Board elections > that run from 0001 UTC 2008-06-13 until 2359 UTC 2008-06-22. > > Jon Stanley (jds2001) > Tom Callaway (spot) > Josh Boyer (jwb) > Jonathan Roberts (JonRob) > Seth Vidal (skvidal) > Dennis Gilmore (irc:dgilmore fas:ausil) > Jef Spaleta (irc:spoleeba fas:jspaleta) > Jesse Keating (irc:f13 fas:jkeating) Thank you all for stepping up, and volunteering even more of your valuable time to Fedora. You are each respected leaders already, and I look forward to our continued contributions, regardless of the election outcome. I also think it's fantastic that we are fielding such a strong slate - evidence of the growth of Fedora as a whole and the commitment it's members are making. -Matt From pemboa at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 22:11:24 2008 From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:11:24 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1213221018.3175.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> <1213219311.3175.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16de708d0806111430m50d5f910g50e3772672467eaf@mail.gmail.com> <1213221018.3175.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <16de708d0806111511h63565cfar9379f71e97d376f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:30 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: >> > By selecting one single media as the official one we are not excluding >> > anyone from using fedora... if we happen to choose the more user >> > friendly media (probably Desktop Live Media imo) new users will find it >> > very easy to use fedora, and most experienced users... well they already >> > know what they want so they will head to get-fedora section and download >> > the media :) >> >> I think Fedora + "user friendly" is a lost cause. Making decisions >> based on that is a wasted effort. >> Furthermore, I see no evidence to believe that "desktop live media" is >> any more user friendly than "* media" > > Please be sure to reply to the list and not to my email :) Sorry, thought the list defaulted to reply to list > And I disagree... Even if fedora is not for newbies and as stated by > paul its for enthusiast, we dont have to make it harder for new users > who want to join us to get the media just to start knowing what fedora > is all about.... by providing an easy to use install media we can make > fedora easy for new enthusiast to join (again i still think Desktop live > media is the best choice... but that doesnt mean im right) Please explain how adding more visible options directly equates to making harder. > The thing is not about which one we will be supporting or not... again.. > all other spins will still be shown and all of them will be available to > download from get-fedora section or from spins.fedoraproject.org > (depending on the media). By having a one click download button at the > front page we are only suggesting... "hey this is the easiest way to get > fedora... click here ant try it out" AND NOT "this IS fedora and any > other spin/version wont be supported anymore". What about the people who "one click" expecting to get KDE on the media? > Experienced users already know what they want, and so it will be very > easy for them to just click on a "more options here..." link or click in > the "get-fedora" link on the navigation bar to the left to get the media You have to be pretty experienced with Fedora already to know that "Fedora Desktop Live Media' includes only one desktop env. and that it is Gnome. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) From pemboa at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 22:12:12 2008 From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:12:12 -0500 Subject: Fwd: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <16de708d0806111432r4cbfad81l1dbdf2626340876f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> <4850424C.4030806@laposte.net> <16de708d0806111432r4cbfad81l1dbdf2626340876f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <16de708d0806111512w454b0b26icad4093e5ee134b1@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arthur Pemberton Date: Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM Subject: Re: "Default" spin of Fedora To: Nicolas Mailhot On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Basil Mohamed Gohar a ?crit >> >> This is a bit of a challenge, because it seems that the official line for >> the target audience for Fedora is the "FOSS enthusiast", which might limit >> how "casual" we would expect our users to actually be. Paul emphasized that >> this doesn't mean we expect someone to be a kernel hacker, but I think the >> other extreme might also be excluded. > > So what? Rome was not built in one day. Fedora won't be grandma-ready > tomorrow, but there's no reason to make trying Fedora harder than it needs > to be. Otherwise we should just kill this fluffy web stuff and revert to > publishing some files on a raw ftp server somewhere. > > We don't want to follow Ubuntu and accept proprietary blobs or old software > versions just to appease impatient end-users. However that does not mean we > don't want to make the distribution as streamlined as possible within the > chosen Fedora parameters. Streamlined at what expense? Because removing all references to KDE et cetera will definitely be more streamlined. Simply label things clearly. If someone cannot handle reading a label and making a decision, they aren't going to have any better experience with Fedora. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) From juankprada at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 22:31:52 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:31:52 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <16de708d0806111511h63565cfar9379f71e97d376f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> <1213219311.3175.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16de708d0806111430m50d5f910g50e3772672467eaf@mail.gmail.com> <1213221018.3175.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16de708d0806111511h63565cfar9379f71e97d376f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213223512.3175.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 17:11 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:30 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > >> > By selecting one single media as the official one we are not excluding > >> > anyone from using fedora... if we happen to choose the more user > >> > friendly media (probably Desktop Live Media imo) new users will find it > >> > very easy to use fedora, and most experienced users... well they already > >> > know what they want so they will head to get-fedora section and download > >> > the media :) > >> > >> I think Fedora + "user friendly" is a lost cause. Making decisions > >> based on that is a wasted effort. > >> Furthermore, I see no evidence to believe that "desktop live media" is > >> any more user friendly than "* media" > > > > Please be sure to reply to the list and not to my email :) > > Sorry, thought the list defaulted to reply to list > > > And I disagree... Even if fedora is not for newbies and as stated by > > paul its for enthusiast, we dont have to make it harder for new users > > who want to join us to get the media just to start knowing what fedora > > is all about.... by providing an easy to use install media we can make > > fedora easy for new enthusiast to join (again i still think Desktop live > > media is the best choice... but that doesnt mean im right) > > Please explain how adding more visible options directly equates to > making harder. Take into a count we are not removing any option not hidding them... just not highlighting them in the front page. Also by providing many options a new user would get confused on where to start... by showing them "this is the simple way to try fedora" we will try to ensure that a new user will have a glad experience in the website in terms of them getting what they want which in this case would be "get fedora". I know you wont have any trouble identifying the spin you want to download, but a new user is another story. Not so many time ago i faced the problem of selecting a media when i started with fedora and I noticed that by showing me many spins each of them with many arch types confused me, i didnt know which one would be the best one for me. > > > The thing is not about which one we will be supporting or not... again.. > > all other spins will still be shown and all of them will be available to > > download from get-fedora section or from spins.fedoraproject.org > > (depending on the media). By having a one click download button at the > > front page we are only suggesting... "hey this is the easiest way to get > > fedora... click here ant try it out" AND NOT "this IS fedora and any > > other spin/version wont be supported anymore". > > What about the people who "one click" expecting to get KDE on the media? > it would be two or three clicks away... again imho is not something that hard to do. Gnome is the official desktop provided by fedora so it makes sense to promote the gnome based spin (dont flame this ml because of this) > > Experienced users already know what they want, and so it will be very > > easy for them to just click on a "more options here..." link or click in > > the "get-fedora" link on the navigation bar to the left to get the media > > You have to be pretty experienced with Fedora already to know that > "Fedora Desktop Live Media' includes only one desktop env. and that it > is Gnome. > If you know what Desktop environment you are looking for then you are certainly not a new user (probably new to fedora) but not to linux and so as you know what you are looking for you will be heading to the get-fedora section. If you dont know what desktop environment you want then any will be ok (if you dont know where you are going any road works for you). By providing the gnome based livecd for x86 we would probably get many of the new users to try fedora and have a good experience with it, it works on x86 and x86_64 archs so we would get the most out of that spin, also using gnome, as i said would be the logic thing to do as it is the official one (I want to clarify that i have nothing against KDE) From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 22:46:40 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:46:40 -0400 Subject: Websites guide In-Reply-To: <1213221548.3101.4.camel@adam> References: <1213221548.3101.4.camel@adam> Message-ID: <1213224400.17913.81.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 22:59 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > == Fedora Account System == > > Firstly, in order to make any changes you will need a Fedora account and > to apply to and be sponsored for the web group. Visit > http://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/home/ to sign up for a new > account, or if you already have one to apply for the web group. > > To be given membership in the web groupp existing member will have to > sponsor you. We're not likely to sponsor you if we don't know you, so > send an introductory message to the list or visit us at #fedora-websites > on freenode.irc.org. A really great way to get sponsored is to come with > a patch ready-made, and you can do this by checking out a copy of > Fedora's websites anonymously, which we'll cover next. Perhaps this section (or some of it) should come before the authenticated commit section. > == Checking Out Fedora's Websites == > > The Websites Team uses the git revision control system to store all our > code, and it is stored on fedorahosted.org. > > To get a local git repository set-up, the first thing you'll need to do > is install git: > > yum install git git-core should be enough; git is a metapackage that pulls in things such as git-svn that aren't needed here. > Next, you'll want to check out a copy of the code. You can do this > either annonymously or as a registered user once you have been sponsored > in the web team and set up your ssh key. > > To check out the code anonymously use this command: > > git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git > > To do this using ssh use this command: > > git clone ssh://@git.fedorahosted.org/git-fedora-web.git Authenticated commit, yadda yadda... > Once this is done, you'll have a fedora-web folder containing all of the > files that create Fedora's websites. > If the change you want to make is to a common element on multiple > pages, > such as the header, footer or sidebar, then use the files in the > template folder. You'll notice that the majority of the code is basic > HTML, but there are a few strange pieces of markup. The most obvious > is > $Markup(_(' that proceeds any text string. Provided you preceed any > text "${Markup(_('" > strings that require translation with this, and close these strings with > '))} then you'll have no problems. If you'd like more information about > this code, I'd suggest reading the Genshi documentation. "the Genshi and Python documentation." > If the change you want is to an individual page, then you'll need the > files in the content folder. The same markup rules as above apply, and > besides that you can edit these as you normally would. If you'd like to > create a new page, I suggest using an existing file as a template and > renaming it to the title of the page you want to create. > > == Reviewing Your Changes == > > To see what your changes look like live, change to the fedoraproject.org > root directory and run the make command. This will build the website > from the template files. It can take the option, which will "option (e.g., make en), which" > create output only in the specified language rather than all the > available options. > > The following dependencies are required for make to complete > succesfully: > > Babel "babel" > python-babel A dep of babel. > python-feedparser > Once you've done this, you'll need to put your git repository in a > publically accessible place so that others can review your changes. Your > fedorapeople.org space is perfect for this. The command below will make > this work: > > scp -r fedora-web @fedorapeople.org It's just a tad more involved than that. I recommend describing how to move files to your FP space in a separate guide. I recommend abridging this to "a publicly accessible web server.". > Now, let people know about your repository on list or in IRC and ask > them to review your changes for inclusion in the live branch. Otherwise it looks fine. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pemboa at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 23:01:43 2008 From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:01:43 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1213223512.3175.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> <1213219311.3175.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16de708d0806111430m50d5f910g50e3772672467eaf@mail.gmail.com> <1213221018.3175.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16de708d0806111511h63565cfar9379f71e97d376f@mail.gmail.com> <1213223512.3175.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <16de708d0806111601s3cc3cbb5u6bad5a4594a6e727@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: [ snip ] > If you dont know what desktop environment you want then any will be ok > (if you dont know where you are going any road works for you). By > providing the gnome based livecd for x86 we would probably get many of > the new users to try fedora and have a good experience with it, it works > on x86 and x86_64 archs so we would get the most out of that spin, also > using gnome, as i said would be the logic thing to do as it is the > official one (I want to clarify that i have nothing against KDE) Okay, I give up. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 23:45:25 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:45:25 -0400 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <16de708d0806111601s3cc3cbb5u6bad5a4594a6e727@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> <1213219311.3175.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16de708d0806111430m50d5f910g50e3772672467eaf@mail.gmail.com> <1213221018.3175.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16de708d0806111511h63565cfar9379f71e97d376f@mail.gmail.com> <1213223512.3175.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16de708d0806111601s3cc3cbb5u6bad5a4594a6e727@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > [ snip ] >> If you dont know what desktop environment you want then any will be ok >> (if you dont know where you are going any road works for you). By >> providing the gnome based livecd for x86 we would probably get many of >> the new users to try fedora and have a good experience with it, it works >> on x86 and x86_64 archs so we would get the most out of that spin, also >> using gnome, as i said would be the logic thing to do as it is the >> official one (I want to clarify that i have nothing against KDE) > > Okay, I give up. This has become a little silly IMO. As far as we (websites) are concerned the one click to download is just a file name appended to a mirror's url in an a tag. All we are trying to do is make it one click to download Fedora. We do realize that 'Fedora' comes in more than one flavor. ( part of what makes it so great is that i can make my *own* fedora ) We have many options to display correctly to perhaps less than cluefull end users. Not necessarily an easy task and we cannot not please all users. No one has or is suggesting we hide our many choices. In fact we, and esp jaunk_prada, are working hard for the opposite: to make it easy to get what ever flavor you want; but also not forgetting the new users who have no idea what to make of the current get-fedora mess. I personally see nothing wrong with using the i686DVD for this, but that's because I can go get what I want :-} I will note that while lots of folks may in fact have a pc that can read DVDs, not near as many seem to be able to write them as can write CDs. Do people really think Fedora will get flamed in the press if our one click download is the gnome based live CD ? and does that really change if we use the DVD? (My 2 silly cents) -- Craig From juankprada at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 04:15:58 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:15:58 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4850346D.6010308@laposte.net> <1213216734.3232.16.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> <1213219311.3175.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16de708d0806111430m50d5f910g50e3772672467eaf@mail.gmail.com> <1213221018.3175.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1213244158.4856.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 23:34 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > > And I disagree... Even if fedora is not for newbies and as stated by > > paul its for enthusiast, we dont have to make it harder for new users > > who want to join us to get the media just to start knowing what fedora > > is all about.... by providing an easy to use install media we can make > > I don't want to speak for Paul, but I believe that he _explicitly_ > said that enthusiast != any particular skill level. So yes, I agree > with you - making Fedora more accessible by people new to Linux should > be a priority. And the current get-fedora page is an epic failure of > that, come to think of it. I've already commented this morning one of > the ways. > > What I wasn't thinking of this morning was the dazzling array of > choices I was presented with on that page. While to me, a very > technical person, it looks friendly and well organized, I just tooks a > step back to view it through the eyes of a non-geek. I'd venture to > guess that non-technical users aren't going to know what Jigdo is, yet > it's presented there with no explanation. Same, to a lesser extent, > with BitTorrent. i386, x86_64, PowerPC? HELP! I'm drowning in options > and don't know which one to choose! > > I also agree with Kevin that we don't want to push users to any > specific spin, though that may be unavoidable for the sake of > simplicity. I think that Paul had at one point a nice mockup of a > get-fedora page that used JavaScript to guide the user through a > "interview" process and present appropriate media for them to > download. A choice of desktop either was or could easily be part of > that process. Not sure what ever became of that, if anything. That process was the first proposal Craig and I showed to the ml some time ago with some fancy animations that hide some info as the user progress through the workflow and only presenting the current "step". This other and somehow new proposal at http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora aims at the same target trying to provide the user with some simple instructions but without the fancy animations, in order to get the media. The real difference between this one and the old one is that now it only shows information about the official spins (Desktop Live Media, KDE LiveCD and installation DVD ...?...) while leaving other spins to be downloaded from their coming spins.fedoraproject.org site. If you think it needs some improvements please comment them here so we can discuss about it :) -- Juan Camilo Prada From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 08:08:35 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:08:35 -0400 Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4850D983.4020201@fedoraproject.org> Ian Weller wrote: > See attached txt file -- ian > One thing that isn't mentioned in the notes, was the quick mockup i did before the meeting: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/download-fedora.png I do think the download link on the front page could work if given the proper treatment. I think its advantage of making it really obvious and easy for folks new to fedora to download Fedora might be worth the inconsistency / hashing thru mockups to work up the right treatment. It also being on the front page makes it obvious really early without having to read a lot of text that Fedora is a thing you can download. ~m From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu Jun 12 08:17:47 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:17:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback In-Reply-To: <4850D983.4020201@fedoraproject.org> References: <4850D983.4020201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <59417.192.54.193.53.1213258667.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Jeu 12 juin 2008 10:08, M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > Ian Weller wrote: >> See attached txt file -- ian >> > One thing that isn't mentioned in the notes, was the quick mockup i > did > before the meeting: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/download-fedora.png > > I do think the download link on the front page could work if given the > proper treatment. I think its advantage of making it really obvious > and > easy for folks new to fedora to download Fedora might be worth the > inconsistency / hashing thru mockups to work up the right treatment. > It > also being on the front page makes it obvious really early without > having to read a lot of text that Fedora is a thing you can download. On your mockup the download link is already too deep on the root page. If you want to propose a quicklink it needs to be on top of the page without requiring the user to do any scrolling or reading -- Nicolas Mailhot From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 09:51:01 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:21:01 +0530 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806112045.42056.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <4850F185.7000101@fedoraproject.org> Kevin Kofler wrote: > * Live CDs cannot be used to upgrade existing Fedora installations (without > reinstalling from scratch, which is often not possible without deleting user > data), the installer DVD can. Attempts to upgrade from a live CD can even > lead to data loss (if the user doesn't realize this fact), IIRC this has > already happened at least once to someone on the mailing lists. The answer there would be Preupgrade. I have already filed a RFE to hook this up with PackageKit. > * As the name says, Desktop Live is only targeted at the desktop, whereas the > DVD also contains some server and development packages. Considering that all indications are that majority of our users are desktop users, I believe that is the correct choice to promote. Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 10:08:31 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:08:31 +0100 Subject: Websites guide In-Reply-To: <1213224400.17913.81.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1213221548.3101.4.camel@adam> <1213224400.17913.81.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1213265311.3090.2.camel@adam> ? > It's just a tad more involved than that. I recommend describing how to > move files to your FP space in a separate guide. I recommend abridging > this to "a publicly accessible web server.". Thanks for the feedback, I've just thrown the content on to the wiki so that others can edit and review it. In the process I re-worked it so that the language now complies to the Fedora Docs team style guide (I think, anyway) and fixed most of the spelling errors. The only section I haven't revised is the final one on committing your changes as I'm not sure how this works beyond a quick scp -r ... If somebody else could tackle that and then we can get it moved to the Websites wiki space :) Best, Jon From kevin.kofler at chello.at Thu Jun 12 11:34:12 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:34:12 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora Message-ID: <29501439.1213270452267.JavaMail.root@viefep27> ---- Rahul Sundaram wrote: > The answer there would be Preupgrade. I have already filed a RFE to hook > this up with PackageKit. While Preupgrade is certainly an interesting option for upgrades, I don't think it can replace traditional install media completely. As you're certainly well aware of, not all machines are directly connected to the Internet over a sufficiently fast connection. There are also other reasons to prefer traditional media. > Considering that all indications are that majority of our users are > desktop users, I believe that is the correct choice to promote. * But what desktop? The problem is that there are 2 (even 3 counting your XFCE spin, but unfortunately XFCE is currently not on the DVD either). A very significant percentage of the GNU/Linux user base are KDE users (most polls end up about 50-50 between GNOME and KDE). I also think that given the choice, several users completely new to GNU/Linux will try both and choose KDE. What some people in this thread want to do is hiding the choice and essentially forcing GNOME down the new users' throat. If you put a big "download Fedora here" link in a colored frame pointing to the GNOME spin and a tiny "see your other options here" fine print pointing to the list of spins, do you really think everyone will notice that the KDE spin and the DVD even exist? Hiding their choices doesn't help users at all. * You're also ignoring the point I raised that software (_desktop_ software!) as popular as OpenOffice.org (!!!) is only available on the DVD (and in the repository, but you're well aware of the fact that many users need everything on their media for technical reasons such as (lack of) Internet connectivity). Kevin Kofler From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 11:40:27 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:40:27 -0400 Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback In-Reply-To: <59417.192.54.193.53.1213258667.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <4850D983.4020201@fedoraproject.org> <59417.192.54.193.53.1213258667.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <48510B2B.6090502@fedoraproject.org> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > On your mockup the download link is already too deep on the root page. > If you want to propose a quicklink it needs to be on top of the page > without requiring the user to do any scrolling or reading > Actually recent usability studies have suggested that 'below the fold' is not the concern it was once thought to be. I think Jakob Nielsen even posted about this in his alertbox somewhat recently. ~m From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 11:51:07 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:51:07 +0100 Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback In-Reply-To: <48510B2B.6090502@fedoraproject.org> References: <4850D983.4020201@fedoraproject.org> <59417.192.54.193.53.1213258667.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <48510B2B.6090502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1213271467.3090.6.camel@adam> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 07:40 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > On your mockup the download link is already too deep on the root page. > > If you want to propose a quicklink it needs to be on top of the page > > without requiring the user to do any scrolling or reading > > > > Actually recent usability studies have suggested that 'below the fold' > is not the concern it was once thought to be. I think Jakob Nielsen even > posted about this in his alertbox somewhat recently. Just to play devil's advocate, but is this something we even want to be discussing until we've carried out usability studies on the current website like we plan to do? I've no idea of the answer to this question! Best, Jon From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 12:02:34 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:02:34 -0400 Subject: summary of juank_prada's /en/index feedback In-Reply-To: <1213271467.3090.6.camel@adam> References: <4850D983.4020201@fedoraproject.org> <59417.192.54.193.53.1213258667.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <48510B2B.6090502@fedoraproject.org> <1213271467.3090.6.camel@adam> Message-ID: <4851105A.6090308@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 07:40 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >>> On your mockup the download link is already too deep on the root page. >>> If you want to propose a quicklink it needs to be on top of the page >>> without requiring the user to do any scrolling or reading >>> >> Actually recent usability studies have suggested that 'below the fold' >> is not the concern it was once thought to be. I think Jakob Nielsen even >> posted about this in his alertbox somewhat recently. > > Just to play devil's advocate, but is this something we even want to be > discussing until we've carried out usability studies on the current > website like we plan to do? > > I've no idea of the answer to this question! Well below-the-fold or not is a general web site layout question that isnt really specific to FPO. Here's one reference: http://www.boxesandarrows.com/view/blasting-the-myth-of Honestly, if that download link was the most important thing about Fedora and on that page, you could argue for it being above the fold just because it's so fundamental, but I don't agree with the logic that to be on the page at all it must be above the fold. ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 12:03:59 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:33:59 +0530 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <29501439.1213270452267.JavaMail.root@viefep27> References: <29501439.1213270452267.JavaMail.root@viefep27> Message-ID: <485110AF.8040100@fedoraproject.org> Kevin Kofler wrote: > ---- Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> The answer there would be Preupgrade. I have already filed a RFE to hook >> this up with PackageKit. > > While Preupgrade is certainly an interesting option for upgrades, I don't think it can replace traditional install media completely. As you're certainly well aware of, not all machines are directly connected to the Internet over a sufficiently fast connection. There are also other reasons to prefer traditional media. > >> Considering that all indications are that majority of our users are >> desktop users, I believe that is the correct choice to promote. > > * But what desktop? The problem is that there are 2 (even 3 counting your XFCE spin, but unfortunately XFCE is currently not on the DVD either). As the Xfce spin maintainer, I don't really want my spin to be listed very prominently at all. I dare say the Xfce maintainers in Fedora would likely agree with me on that. Choice is fine and dandy but it is utterly confusing for the non-technical end users. Anybody who even knows what a desktop environment can very well click on the additional options. I do agree with you that additional hints that the desktop spin holds GNOME would be a good thing. > * You're also ignoring the point I raised that software (_desktop_ software!) as popular as OpenOffice.org (!!!) is only available on the DVD (and in the repository, but you're well aware of the fact that many users need everything on their media for technical reasons such as (lack of) Internet connectivity). Sure but the point is that people who *are* downloading it are better off not downloading everything on the media when Fedora is going to update them fast. People who are redistributing it like say magazines or vendors might prefer the DVD image or even specialized everything spins instead. Rahul From kevin.kofler at chello.at Thu Jun 12 13:15:21 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:15:21 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <485110AF.8040100@fedoraproject.org> References: <29501439.1213270452267.JavaMail.root@viefep27> <485110AF.8040100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200806121515.21381.kevin.kofler@chello.at> (First of all, sorry for the lack of threading and line breaks in the previous reply, I was not at home and my ISP's webmail system is braindead.) On Thursday 12 June 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > * But what desktop? The problem is that there are 2 (even 3 counting your > > XFCE spin, but unfortunately XFCE is currently not on the DVD either). > > As the Xfce spin maintainer, I don't really want my spin to be listed > very prominently at all. I dare say the Xfce maintainers in Fedora would > likely agree with me on that. That's OK, but as one of the KDE maintainers, I _do_ want a spin containing KDE to be listed prominently (also considering the market share statistics). If live CDs are really the way to go (which I'm not sure of for reasons already described elsewhere in this thread), then the GNOME-based Desktop Live and the KDE Live spin should be listed equally, not the GNOME one in a huge link and the KDE one relegated to a hidden secondary download page. Otherwise, the default should be the DVD (and KDE should also be made more prominent in the installer, but that's a separate issue). In case you really want the spin maintainer's opinion: I CCed the KDE Live CD maintainer on this mail. Sebastian, it would be great to have your position too. > Choice is fine and dandy but it is utterly confusing for the non-technical > end users. That's where we disagree. I think presenting them both options the same way is the way to let them pick their own preference, we should not try to think for them. > Anybody who even knows what a desktop environment can very well click on > the additional options. Here you're assuming that they even notice that the additional options exist at all! If you have a big "Download Fedora now" link with the GNOME live CD and some tiny fine print linking to get-fedora, what do you think people will click on? > I do agree with you that additional hints that the desktop spin holds GNOME > would be a good thing. At least there's one thing we agree on. ;-) > > * You're also ignoring the point I raised that software (_desktop_ > > software!) as popular as OpenOffice.org (!!!) is only available on the > > DVD (and in the repository, but you're well aware of the fact that many > > users need everything on their media for technical reasons such as (lack > > of) Internet connectivity). > > Sure but the point is that people who *are* downloading it are better > off not downloading everything on the media when Fedora is going to > update them fast. People who are redistributing it like say magazines or > vendors might prefer the DVD image or even specialized everything spins > instead. But do you really want to leave new users with the impression that Fedora "doesn't have" OpenOffice.org? Because that's what they'll think if the live CDs (or even worse, one live CD, the one with no complete office suite at all! The KDE Live CD at least has KOffice) are the only visible option. (And as I said before, I don't consider fine print to be "visible", people don't read fine print.) Kevin Kofler From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 13:28:56 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:58:56 +0530 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806121515.21381.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <29501439.1213270452267.JavaMail.root@viefep27> <485110AF.8040100@fedoraproject.org> <200806121515.21381.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <48512498.7050604@fedoraproject.org> Kevin Kofler wrote: > That's where we disagree. I think presenting them both options the same way is > the way to let them pick their own preference, we should not try to think for > them. I assume then that you haven't spend much time with non-technical users. Just show the current download page to someone who is not deeply familiar with Linux and watch the confusion. Note carefully the number of questions which aren't answered there. > But do you really want to leave new users with the impression that > Fedora "doesn't have" OpenOffice.org? Because that's what they'll think if > the live CDs Well that's a problem for any non-default application which can be solved by intelligent tools. Refer recent PackageKit discussions. Rahul From kevin.kofler at chello.at Thu Jun 12 13:34:03 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:03 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora Message-ID: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Juan Camilo Prada wrote (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00110.html): > Take into a count we are not removing any option not hidding them... > just not highlighting them in the front page. Also by providing many > options a new user would get confused on where to start... by showing > them "this is the simple way to try fedora" we will try to ensure that a > new user will have a glad experience in the website in terms of them > getting what they want which in this case would be "get fedora". But I disagree that the GNOME-only "Desktop Live" spin is "the simple way to try Fedora", they'll only try half of it (and in my heavily-biased opinion, the wrong half ;-) ). > If you know what Desktop environment you are looking for then you are > certainly not a new user (probably new to fedora) but not to linux and > so as you know what you are looking for you will be heading to the > get-fedora section. This is not a valid assumption. Just read some of the comments on dot.kde.org about Fedora. Many people come to Fedora knowing very well they want KDE, either because they come from another distribution they already used KDE on, or because their friends recommend KDE to them. And they _already_ have trouble finding KDE (because the GNOME spin isn't labeled "GNOME" anywhere and because the DVD installer only offers KDE in the "Customize Packages" selector which new users tend to skip), the proposed changes would make it even harder! People will either think Fedora doesn't have KDE at all or Fedora doesn't care about KDE. There are already enough complaints on dot.kde.org that GNOME is given unfair preference treatment; putting the GNOME spin on the front page and the KDE spin only on the secondary download page will give those badmouthers a valid argument and completely ruin the reputation of Fedora in the KDE community, which represents about half of the GNU/Linux users! I also think hiding the 64-bit image is a bad idea, the vast majority of new computers is 64-bit-capable, the 32-bit version will have subpar performance on those for no good reason. AFAIK the kernel on the 32-bit live images isn't even PAE-enabled, so that also means no NX bit (bad for security) and only 3 GB of RAM usable. Kevin Kofler From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 13:44:59 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:14:59 +0530 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <4851285B.5090506@fedoraproject.org> Kevin Kofler wrote: Many people come to Fedora knowing very well they want KDE, > either because they come from another distribution they already used KDE on, > or because their friends recommend KDE to them. Here, my recommendation would be create a good spin page at say http://spins.fedoraproject.org/KDE similar to what Chitlesh Goorah did for FEL and point people directly to that from dot.kde.org, in your blog and so on. Rahul From kevin.kofler at chello.at Thu Jun 12 13:48:34 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:48:34 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <4851285B.5090506@fedoraproject.org> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4851285B.5090506@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> On Thursday 12 June 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Here, my recommendation would be create a good spin page at say > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/KDE similar to what Chitlesh Goorah did > for FEL and point people directly to that from dot.kde.org, in your blog > and so on. Relegating KDE to spins.fedoraproject.org essentially means downgrading it to a second-class citizen. FEL targets a very specialized audience, so spins.fedoraproject.org is the right place for that, but KDE targets a very large audience and should really be an official primary spin, listed as prominently as GNOME on the main fedoraproject.org pages. Kevin Kofler From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 13:52:03 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:52:03 -0400 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4851285B.5090506@fedoraproject.org> <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <48512A03.5040407@fedoraproject.org> Kevin Kofler wrote: > On Thursday 12 June 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Here, my recommendation would be create a good spin page at say >> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/KDE similar to what Chitlesh Goorah did >> for FEL and point people directly to that from dot.kde.org, in your blog >> and so on. > > Relegating KDE to spins.fedoraproject.org essentially means downgrading it to > a second-class citizen. FEL targets a very specialized audience, so > spins.fedoraproject.org is the right place for that, but KDE targets a very > large audience and should really be an official primary spin, listed as > prominently as GNOME on the main fedoraproject.org pages. The "Fedora Desktop" spin is GNOME. Let's not confuse our users with holy wars. ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 13:56:24 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:26:24 +0530 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4851285B.5090506@fedoraproject.org> <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <48512B08.7080404@fedoraproject.org> Kevin Kofler wrote: > On Thursday 12 June 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Here, my recommendation would be create a good spin page at say >> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/KDE similar to what Chitlesh Goorah did >> for FEL and point people directly to that from dot.kde.org, in your blog >> and so on. > > Relegating KDE to spins.fedoraproject.org essentially means downgrading it to > a second-class citizen. Not at all. It just provides a good home page for it. All other details are just the same as it is currently. Rahul From kevin.kofler at chello.at Thu Jun 12 13:59:17 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:59:17 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <48512A03.5040407@fedoraproject.org> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <48512A03.5040407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> On Thursday 12 June 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > The "Fedora Desktop" spin is GNOME. That's kinda the problem. ;-) Seriously, I think the naming also sucks, but it is not a good reason to make the bias even worse. > Let's not confuse our users with holy wars. What you call holy wars, I call freedom of choice. Kevin Kofler From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 14:10:27 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:10:27 -0400 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <48512A03.5040407@fedoraproject.org> <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <48512E53.4080409@fedoraproject.org> Kevin Kofler wrote: > On Thursday 12 June 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> The "Fedora Desktop" spin is GNOME. > > That's kinda the problem. ;-) No, it's not a problem. If you have a problem with it, fedora-websites-list is not the place to take the problem. I recommend speaking with FESCO or the Board. > > Seriously, I think the naming also sucks, but it is not a good reason to make > the bias even worse. So I suppose we should also have the Fedora emacs spin and the Fedora VI spin and the Fedora open office spin and the fedora koffice spin and the fedora abi work and gnumeric spin and the fedora enlightenment spin and the fedora reiser fs spin and the fedora ext spin and they should all be equal because users need a choice! I have not yet consumed enough coffee at this point to even consider the combinatorics of the above. > >> Let's not confuse our users with holy wars. > > What you call holy wars, I call freedom of choice. What you call freedom of choice, I call overwhelming potential users and scaring them away with too many choices. If you ask someone on the street which desktop environment prefer they will likely have no idea what you are even talking about, and I doubt they would know to care either way when going to download. ~m From juankprada at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 15:40:09 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:40:09 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <1213285209.3171.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 15:34 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > I also think hiding the 64-bit image is a bad idea, the vast majority of new > computers is 64-bit-capable, the 32-bit version will have subpar performance > on those for no good reason. AFAIK the kernel on the 32-bit live images isn't > even PAE-enabled, so that also means no NX bit (bad for security) and only 3 > GB of RAM usable. > > Kevin Kofler > I don't understand why people keep saying we are hiding everything!?... Right now we have no link on the front page promoting any media... so are we hiding all of the current installation medias?? Even though we havent done that yet, many people have been able too download fedora one way or another, with/without confusion, with/without understanding what they are really downloading. By proposing a single media in the front page that hopefully would work for new users and would provide an easy way for them to try fedora, we want to delete that "without knowing", "without understanding" part. We are not hiding, I repeat... we are not hiding anything... all other medias are still provided in the get-fedora section! and any user who already know the difference between KDE and GNOME, or x86 and x86_64 wont have a hard time reaching that section of the website. (Just imagine you grandmas trying to decide which one between Gnome based or KDE based media download... wont it be easier for them if we tell them "this is the easiest way to try fedora?") This is begining to look like a KDE vs GNOOME flamewar and i dont think this is the place to do it (if it still need to be done) as far as i know GNOME IS the default desktop in fedora, if you want KDE to be the official one please refer to ?FESCO or the Board (i dont really know who to talk about this... but those two makes sense to me). -- Juan Camilo Prada From canfarts at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 05:01:46 2008 From: canfarts at gmail.com (Pierre Le-Chevet) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:01:46 -0400 Subject: hi Message-ID: <32b570770806112201q7088f752pab9b66455d3ef608@mail.gmail.com> I downloaded your new Linux ver and I can play you tube videos but can not get any sound can you help me with this error or problem ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at deadbabylon.de Thu Jun 12 14:46:08 2008 From: fedora at deadbabylon.de (Sebastian Vahl) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:46:08 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806121515.21381.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <29501439.1213270452267.JavaMail.root@viefep27> <485110AF.8040100@fedoraproject.org> <200806121515.21381.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <200806121646.08911.fedora@deadbabylon.de> Am Do 12.Juni 2008 schrieb Kevin Kofler: > (First of all, sorry for the lack of threading and line breaks in the > previous reply, I was not at home and my ISP's webmail system is > braindead.) > > On Thursday 12 June 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > * But what desktop? The problem is that there are 2 (even 3 counting > > > your XFCE spin, but unfortunately XFCE is currently not on the DVD > > > either). > > > > As the Xfce spin maintainer, I don't really want my spin to be listed > > very prominently at all. I dare say the Xfce maintainers in Fedora would > > likely agree with me on that. > > That's OK, but as one of the KDE maintainers, I _do_ want a spin containing > KDE to be listed prominently (also considering the market share > statistics). If live CDs are really the way to go (which I'm not sure of > for reasons already described elsewhere in this thread), then the > GNOME-based Desktop Live and the KDE Live spin should be listed equally, > not the GNOME one in a huge link and the KDE one relegated to a hidden > secondary download page. Otherwise, the default should be the DVD (and KDE > should also be made more prominent in the installer, but that's a separate > issue). +1 > In case you really want the spin maintainer's opinion: I CCed the KDE Live > CD maintainer on this mail. Sebastian, it would be great to have your > position too. (Thanks for the CC) > > Choice is fine and dandy but it is utterly confusing for the > > non-technical end users. > > That's where we disagree. I think presenting them both options the same way > is the way to let them pick their own preference, we should not try to > think for them. +1 Making things easy is good for the first time user. Making things _too easy_ (eg. don't give them the necessary information to choose the right thing) is bad for them (and also for all other users). > > Anybody who even knows what a desktop environment can very well click on > > the additional options. > > Here you're assuming that they even notice that the additional options > exist at all! If you have a big "Download Fedora now" link with the GNOME > live CD and some tiny fine print linking to get-fedora, what do you think > people will click on? +1 On the current mockup there also seems to be no difference between "Download Fedora" and "Get Fedora" (on the left side). So people might don't even find a way to download the DVD or a live image for x86_64 or ppc. IMHO a "one-click-download" solution isn't a good idea here and make things more complicated. > > I do agree with you that additional hints that the desktop spin holds > > GNOME would be a good thing. > > At least there's one thing we agree on. ;-) +1 BTW: The "Get Fedora" page (http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora) is much better now because it contains some explanations. Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Jun 12 15:58:17 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:58:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <48512A03.5040407@fedoraproject.org> <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Kevin Kofler wrote: > On Thursday 12 June 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > The "Fedora Desktop" spin is GNOME. > > That's kinda the problem. ;-) > > Seriously, I think the naming also sucks, but it is not a good reason to make > the bias even worse. > Take this to the board (seriously) I suspect no one has in a while, it might be good to get a fresh opinion from them anyway. -Mike From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 16:09:33 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:09:33 -0400 Subject: hi In-Reply-To: <32b570770806112201q7088f752pab9b66455d3ef608@mail.gmail.com> References: <32b570770806112201q7088f752pab9b66455d3ef608@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213286973.18802.19.camel@ignacio.lan> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 01:01 -0400, Pierre Le-Chevet wrote: > I downloaded your new Linux ver and I can play you tube videos but can > not get any sound can you help me with this error or problem ? The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to Fedora's websites. For end-user Fedora support, please refer to the help resources described here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pemboa at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 16:47:43 2008 From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:47:43 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <48512A03.5040407@fedoraproject.org> <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <16de708d0806120947kba507b1rb4b3deb694f15ccf@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > On Thursday 12 June 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> The "Fedora Desktop" spin is GNOME. > > That's kinda the problem. ;-) > > Seriously, I think the naming also sucks, but it is not a good reason to make > the bias even worse. > >> Let's not confuse our users with holy wars. > > What you call holy wars, I call freedom of choice. I say live it alone Kevin. I don't see this as a battle we are going to win. All discussions to do with Fedora always implicitly leave out KDE. That's how its always been. I thought merging Extras and Core would be the end of that, but I was wrong. This is a lost cause, that probably only pisses people off. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) From juankprada at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 16:56:33 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:56:33 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <16de708d0806120947kba507b1rb4b3deb694f15ccf@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <48512A03.5040407@fedoraproject.org> <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <16de708d0806120947kba507b1rb4b3deb694f15ccf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213289793.12501.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 11:47 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > On Thursday 12 June 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> The "Fedora Desktop" spin is GNOME. > > > > That's kinda the problem. ;-) > > > > Seriously, I think the naming also sucks, but it is not a good reason to make > > the bias even worse. > > > >> Let's not confuse our users with holy wars. > > > > What you call holy wars, I call freedom of choice. > > I say live it alone Kevin. I don't see this as a battle we are going > to win. All discussions to do with Fedora always implicitly leave out > KDE. > > That's how its always been. I thought merging Extras and Core would be > the end of that, but I was wrong. > > This is a lost cause, that probably only pisses people off. Again... lets stop the discussion about KDE vs Gnome we are not going anywhere with that... As long as the official desktop is Gnome i think we should stick to it and not to a SPIN (no offense to KDE sig or any KDE fan). The decision to leave DVD media out of the equation is due to the fact that it requires a lot more bandwidth to be downloaded in a considerable time than a live media, and also not everybody is able to use a DVD in their computer, it also has a lot more software than an average user would probably need which seems like a waste of resources for a new user to download such a big media just to end up using what the Desktop Live media probably has. From pemboa at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 16:59:51 2008 From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:59:51 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1213289793.12501.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <48512A03.5040407@fedoraproject.org> <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <16de708d0806120947kba507b1rb4b3deb694f15ccf@mail.gmail.com> <1213289793.12501.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <16de708d0806120959v3e9aeff9ta44f46db75177c90@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: [ snip ] > The decision to leave DVD media out of the equation is due to the fact > that it requires a lot more bandwidth to be downloaded in a considerable > time than a live media, and also not everybody is able to use a DVD in > their computer, it also has a lot more software than an average user > would probably need which seems like a waste of resources for a new user > to download such a big media just to end up using what the Desktop Live > media probably has. What is your definition of the average Fedora user? -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) From juankprada at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 17:01:32 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:01:32 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <16de708d0806120959g2f502f26kda5f59c4a3a9df85@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <48512A03.5040407@fedoraproject.org> <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <16de708d0806120947kba507b1rb4b3deb694f15ccf@mail.gmail.com> <1213289793.12501.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16de708d0806120959g2f502f26kda5f59c4a3a9df85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213290092.13036.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 11:59 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Juan Camilo Prada > wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 11:47 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> > On Thursday 12 June 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> >> The "Fedora Desktop" spin is GNOME. > >> > > >> > That's kinda the problem. ;-) > >> > > >> > Seriously, I think the naming also sucks, but it is not a good reason to make > >> > the bias even worse. > >> > > >> >> Let's not confuse our users with holy wars. > >> > > >> > What you call holy wars, I call freedom of choice. > >> > >> I say live it alone Kevin. I don't see this as a battle we are going > >> to win. All discussions to do with Fedora always implicitly leave out > >> KDE. > >> > >> That's how its always been. I thought merging Extras and Core would be > >> the end of that, but I was wrong. > >> > >> This is a lost cause, that probably only pisses people off. > > > > Again... lets stop the discussion about KDE vs Gnome we are not going > > anywhere with that... As long as the official desktop is Gnome i think > > we should stick to it and not to a SPIN (no offense to KDE sig or any > > KDE fan). > > > > The decision to leave DVD media out of the equation is due to the fact > > that it requires a lot more bandwidth to be downloaded in a considerable > > time than a live media, and also not everybody is able to use a DVD in > > their computer, it also has a lot more software than an average user > > would probably need which seems like a waste of resources for a new user > > to download such a big media just to end up using what the Desktop Live > > media probably has. > > > What is your definition of the average Fedora user? Notice i never said "average Fedora user" i just said an "average user" and i meant to an average computer user, somebody who uses the computer to surf the web, read emails, listen some music and probably (in the case of fedora) someone willing to know what this is all about -- Juan Camilo Prada From frankc.fedora at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 17:12:15 2008 From: frankc.fedora at gmail.com (Frank Chiulli) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:12:15 -0700 Subject: Introduction - Frank Chiulli Message-ID: Hi, I am basically responding to Max Spevack's request for help. I have some python experience but not much. I have done a lot of scripting in other languages just not python. I have two python books at home and have access to O'Reilly's Safari. So I can do lots of research if necessary. I have some apache experience but that was actually quite awhile ago. I'll have to clean out the cobwebs. I have no genshi experience. But I'm willing to learn. I have been writing software and administering machines for over 40 years. Although I have a PC on my desktop, almost all of my work has been done on one flavor or another of Unix. I do have a Fedora 9 box at home. I live in California. Hope that doesn't make interfacing with others a problem. I have not run into too many volunteers from the West Coast. Put me to work, Frank From hynek at sdb.cz Thu Jun 12 17:40:48 2008 From: hynek at sdb.cz (=?UTF-8?B?SHluZWsgxIxlcm5vY2g=?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:40:48 +0200 Subject: Bad link on page: Get Help Message-ID: <48515FA0.80801@sdb.cz> There is a bad link on the page http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-help . All browsers interpret the link docs.fedoraproject.org as http://docs.fedoraproject.org"/ (See the double quote before slash) This is caused by missing matched double quote between href= and http:// ... Best regards Hynek Cernoch From harald at redhat.com Thu Jun 12 22:25:11 2008 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:25:11 +0200 Subject: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting Message-ID: <4851A247.7090107@redhat.com> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting menu links on the left side b0rken.. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/en/index ... 404 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora .. 404 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/en/join-fedora ... 404 From dev at nigelj.com Thu Jun 12 23:01:46 2008 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:01:46 +1200 Subject: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting In-Reply-To: <4851A247.7090107@redhat.com> References: <4851A247.7090107@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4851AADA.1000402@nigelj.com> Harald Hoyer wrote: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting > > menu links on the left side b0rken.. > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/en/index ... 404 > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora .. 404 > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/en/join-fedora ... 404 > Hi Harald, Thanks for catching that, I've got a new build ready, I'll push it online hopefully within the next hour or so, just needs to go under the normal testing (albeit minor change). Thanks, Nigel Jones (The Elections Guy) From tb at tim-burke.net Fri Jun 13 01:47:52 2008 From: tb at tim-burke.net (Tim Burke) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:47:52 -0500 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <000001c8ccf7$7e5a61a0$7b0f24e0$@net> Hey all, I'm Tim Burke, just introducing myself to the list. I've got experience with XHTML and CSS. Any more questions; just feel free to email me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tb at tim-burke.net Fri Jun 13 01:47:52 2008 From: tb at tim-burke.net (Tim Burke) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:47:52 -0500 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <000001c8ccf7$7e5a61a0$7b0f24e0$@net> Hey all, I'm Tim Burke, just introducing myself to the list. I've got experience with XHTML and CSS. Any more questions; just feel free to email me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 13 02:06:58 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:06:58 -0400 Subject: Fedora Websites development help Message-ID: <20080613020658.GC3658@Max> Wow, thanks for all of the resposes to Max's call for volunteers! So here's a summary of what we're looking to do with the buildscript. Right now, we have a general process for creating the website, but it's not pretty. Basically, we have a build script which goes through and just runs each page through genshi. Unfortunately, when we throw translations into the mix, it gets a bit complicated. Right now, we handle translations (and the language selector) through some Apache + mod_negotiate magic (see the bottom of http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git?p=fedora-web.git;a=blob;f=fedoraproject.org/httpd/conf/httpd.conf.in) So one immediate problem here is that it's not easy for somebody to make some changes and just scp them to their fedorapeople space (or anywhere without some specialized apache configs present). I have some ideas for making this better (which would involve some modifications to the buildscript). Overall, the goal is to just make our process friendlier and easier to get started with. The other general issue that I'd like to discuss is what kind of workflow we can establish for working with translators. Right now, we're just pushing English changes up immediately (which means that many pages can be untranslated, or even partially translated). Anyway, if anybody wants to take a look at some of these issues, you can get the source of the website with: git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git Feel free to ask any questions on-list (or we have an IRC channel, #fedora-websites on irc.freenode.net). We also have weekly meetings (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings for the schedule). Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ssears at redhat.com Fri Jun 13 10:09:29 2008 From: ssears at redhat.com (Stuart Sears) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:09:29 +0100 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <48524759.4000409@redhat.com> Hi, just introducing myself as requested by Max... My Name is Stuart Sears, reasonably familiar with (X)HTML, CSS and python (and apache) and interested in helping out a little where I can. Failing that, so far it's been an interesting read... :) Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHC* Instructor II, Red Hat GLS EMEA From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Jun 13 16:14:15 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:14:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Outage Notification - 2008-06-16 03:00 UTC Message-ID: There will be an outage starting at 2008-06-16 03:00 UTC, which will last approximately 1 hour. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2008-06-16 03:00 UTC' Affected Services: Websites (wiki only) Smolts.org Cacti Unaffected Services: CVS / Source Control Buildsystem Database DNS Mail Torrent Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/623#preview Reason for Outage: The new db1 is installed and ready. This is our primary mysql database and backup for postgres. The OS and storage has already been prepared. Its just a matter of making db1 unavailable, doing a dump, copy, import and IP rename. I expect things to go smoothly as there are no major changes other than hardware. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fri Jun 13 17:40:02 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Karsten Wade (kwade)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:40:02 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US ap-admin-options.php, 1.1, 1.2 ap-install-server.php, 1.1, 1.2 ap-medialess-install.php, 1.1, 1.2 ap-techref.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-beginninginstallation.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-bootloader.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-disk-partitioning.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-experts-quickstart.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-firstboot.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-installer-locale.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-installing-packages.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-introduction.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-networkconfig.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-new-users.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-next-steps.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-other-install-methods.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-packageselection.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-rootpassword.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-timezone.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-upgrading-system.php, 1.1, 1.2 ch-welcome.php, 1.1, 1.2 generated-index.php, 1.1, 1.2 index.php, 1.1, 1.2 legalnotice-opl.php, 1.1, 1.2 rv-revhistory.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-about-document.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-automating-installation.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-booting-from-pxe.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-bootloader-advanced.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-bootloader-others.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-bootloader-password.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-boot-modes.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-bootoptions-hardware.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-cannot-download.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-cobbler-import.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-cobbler-mirror.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-cobbler-setup-distro.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-community.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-disk-changes.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-disk-druid.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-expert-download.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-expert-install.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-expert-post-install.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-expert-prepare.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-feedback.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-finishing-upgrade.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-firstboot-datetime.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-firstboot-systemuser.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-general-disk-setup.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-graphics-problem.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-hostname.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-install-diff-source.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-installer-keyboard.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-installing-from-harddrive.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-install-tcpip-config.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-making-media.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-medialess-booting.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-medialess-editing-grub-conf.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-network-misc-settings.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-news-subscriptions.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-nfs-install-settings.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-package-selection.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-partitioning-advice.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-partitioning-general.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-partitioning-lvm.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-raid-config.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-remoteaccess-installation.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-remote-logging.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-smolt.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-start-installation.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-understanding-encryption.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-upgrade-tree.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-upgrading-bootloader.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-url-install-settings.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-utc.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-verifying-media.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-web-help.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-which-arch.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn-which-files.php, 1.1, 1.2 Message-ID: <200806131740.m5DHe2be006478@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: kwade Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6288 Modified Files: ap-admin-options.php ap-install-server.php ap-medialess-install.php ap-techref.php ch-beginninginstallation.php ch-bootloader.php ch-disk-partitioning.php ch-experts-quickstart.php ch-firstboot.php ch-installer-locale.php ch-installing-packages.php ch-introduction.php ch-networkconfig.php ch-new-users.php ch-next-steps.php ch-other-install-methods.php ch-packageselection.php ch-rootpassword.php ch-timezone.php ch-upgrading-system.php ch-welcome.php generated-index.php index.php legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php sn-about-document.php sn-automating-installation.php sn-booting-from-pxe.php sn-bootloader-advanced.php sn-bootloader-others.php sn-bootloader-password.php sn-boot-modes.php sn-bootoptions-hardware.php sn-cannot-download.php sn-cobbler-import.php sn-cobbler-mirror.php sn-cobbler-setup-distro.php sn-community.php sn-disk-changes.php sn-disk-druid.php sn-expert-download.php sn-expert-install.php sn-expert-post-install.php sn-expert-prepare.php sn-feedback.php sn-finishing-upgrade.php sn-firstboot-datetime.php sn-firstboot-systemuser.php sn-general-disk-setup.php sn-graphics-problem.php sn-hostname.php sn-install-diff-source.php sn-installer-keyboard.php sn-installing-from-harddrive.php sn-install-tcpip-config.php sn-making-media.php sn-medialess-booting.php sn-medialess-editing-grub-conf.php sn-network-misc-settings.php sn-news-subscriptions.php sn-nfs-install-settings.php sn-package-selection.php sn-partitioning-advice.php sn-partitioning-general.php sn-partitioning-lvm.php sn-raid-config.php sn-remoteaccess-installation.php sn-remote-logging.php sn-smolt.php sn-start-installation.php sn-understanding-encryption.php sn-upgrade-tree.php sn-upgrading-bootloader.php sn-url-install-settings.php sn-utc.php sn-verifying-media.php sn-web-help.php sn-which-arch.php sn-which-files.php Log Message: removing the HTML header that should have been trimmed by the conversion script; this will stop calls to the CSS, and may clean up other stuff. Index: ap-admin-options.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/ap-admin-options.php,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- ap-admin-options.php 13 May 2008 05:07:26 -0000 1.1 +++ ap-admin-options.php 13 Jun 2008 17:39:32 -0000 1.2 @@ -1,15 +1,3 @@ - - - -Appendix??A.??Boot Options - - - - - - - - - - -Appendix??C.??Setting Up an Installation Server - - - - - - - - - - -Appendix??B.??Installing Without Media - - - - - - - - - - -Appendix??D.??Other Technical Documentation - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??4.??Beginning the Installation - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??13.??Boot Loader - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??12.??Disk Partitioning - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??2.??Quick Start for Experts - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??16.??First Boot - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??5.??Identifying Your Locale - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??15.??Installing Packages - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??1.??Introduction - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??9.??Network Configuration - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??3.??New Users - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??17.??Your Next Steps - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??6.??Installation Methods - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??14.??Software Selection - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??11.??Set the Root Password - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??10.??Time Zone Selection - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??8.??Upgrading an Existing System - - - - - - - - - - -Chapter??7.??Welcome Dialog - - - - - - - - - - -Index - - - - - - - - - -Fedora 9 Installation Guide - - - - - - - - -Legal Notice - - - - - -Revision History - - - - - -1.2.??About This Document - - - - - - - - - - -A.4.??Automating the Installation with Kickstart - - - - - - - - - - -4.4.??Booting from the Network using PXE - - - - - - - - - - -13.4.??Advanced Boot Loader Options - - - - - - - - - - -13.2.??Booting Additional Operating Systems - - - - - - - - - - -13.3.??Setting a Boot Loader Password - - - - - - - - - - -A.6.??Using the Maintenance Boot Modes - - - - - - - - - - -A.5.??Enhancing Hardware Support - - - - - - - - - - -3.5.??What If I Cannot Download Fedora? - - - - - - - - - - -C.4.??Importing the Distribution - - - - - - - - - - -C.3.??Mirroring a Network Location - - - - - - - - - - -C.2.??Setting Up the Distribution - - - - - - - - - - -17.5.??Joining the Fedora Community - - - - - - - - - - -12.8.??Making Disk Changes - - - - - - - - - - -12.7.??Disk Druid - - - - - - - - - - -2.2.??Download Files - - - - - - - - - - -2.4.??Install Fedora - - - - - - - - - - -2.5.??Perform Post-installation Steps - - - - - - - - - - -2.3.??Prepare for Installation - - - - - - - - - - -1.3.??Feedback - - - - - - - - - - -17.2.??Finishing an Upgrade - - - - - - - - - - -16.2.??Date and Time - - - - - - - - - - -16.3.??System User - - - - - - - - - - -12.6.??General Disk Setup - - - - - - - - - - -4.5.??Graphical and Text Interfaces - - - - - - - - - - -9.2.??Hostname - - - - - - - - - - -4.2.??Installing from a Different Source - - - - - - - - - - -5.2.??Keyboard Configuration - - - - - - - - - - -6.2.??Installation from a Hard Drive - - - - - - - - - - -6.3.??Installation TCP/IP Configuration - - - - - - - - - - -3.4.??How Do I Make Fedora Media? - - - - - - - - - - -B.3.??Booting to Installation - - - - - - - - - - -B.2.??Editing the GRUB Configuration - - - - - - - - - - -9.3.??Miscellaneous Settings - - - - - - - - - - -17.3.??Subscribing to Fedora Announcements and News - - - - - - - - - - -6.4.??NFS Installation Setup - - - - - - - - - - -14.2.??Customizing the Software Selection - - - - - - - - - - -12.5.??Advice on Partitions - - - - - - - - - - -12.2.??General Information on Partitions - - - - - - - - - - -12.3.??Understanding LVM - - - - - - - - - - -7.2.??RAID or Other Nonstandard Configurations - - - - - - - - - - -A.2.??Enabling Remote Access to the Installation System - - - - - - - - - - -A.3.??Logging to a Remote System During the Installation - - - - - - - - - - -16.4.??Hardware Profile - - - - - - - - - - -3.6.??How Do I Start the Installation Program? - - - - - - - - - - -12.4.??Understanding Encryption - - - - - - - - - - -8.2.??Upgrading Using the Installer - - - - - - - - - - -8.3.??Upgrading Boot Loader Configuration - - - - - - - - - - -6.5.??Web and FTP Installation Setup - - - - - - - - - - -10.2.??Universal Co-ordinated Time (UTC) - - - - - - - - - - -4.3.??Verifying Media - - - - - - - - - - -17.4.??Finding Documentation and Support - - - - - - - - - - -3.2.??Which Architecture Is My Computer? - - - - - - - - - - -3.3.??Which Files Do I Download? - - - - - - - - Hello, Was curious as to what code you used to make the site stretch to the client's resolution? I have seen many different ways to do it, but never with CSS. Thanks for your time. James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bl at bobbilin.com Fri Jun 13 22:30:20 2008 From: bl at bobbilin.com (bobbi lin) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:30:20 -0400 Subject: lins.com website. Message-ID: <7A74E47E-7A5A-4464-9A58-95638F2799FB@local> Dear Fedora , I am trying to get the website lins.com it is my family name and really important to me. You own the domain name (lins.com) and are using merely as a Fedora Test page. Can I please speak to someone about purchasing this domain name from you. thank you, Bobbi Lin From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 13 22:39:27 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:39:27 -0400 Subject: lins.com website. In-Reply-To: <7A74E47E-7A5A-4464-9A58-95638F2799FB@local> References: <7A74E47E-7A5A-4464-9A58-95638F2799FB@local> Message-ID: <20080613223927.GG3658@Max> On 2008-06-13 06:30:20 PM, bobbi lin wrote: > I am trying to get the website lins.com it is my family name and really > important to me. You own the domain name (lins.com) and are using merely > as a Fedora Test page. Can I please speak to someone about purchasing this > domain name from you. That is a test page included with our operating system; we don't actually control the site in question. For more information, please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage. To look up the actual owner, you should do a whois lookup of the domain. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Although I have a PC on my desktop, almost all of my work has > been done on one flavor or another of Unix. I do have a Fedora 9 box > at home. Sounds like qualifications to me. After all, if we always knew what and how before starting new things ... well, nothing would ever be new, so nothing new would get done. :) > I live in California. Hope that doesn't make interfacing with others > a problem. I have not run into too many volunteers from the West > Coast. I'm out here as well, and sometimes feel that way. The saddest part is when you are just getting cranking with work in your later evening, and everyone from the East Coast USA to the middle of Russia is sound asleep. Thank goodness for APAC, some of whom are in the middle of their day by then. :) > Put me to work, I'm just doing the welcome thing today, going to let someone with a better grasp of what needs done. Although I bet [[Websites/Tasks]] is populated on the wiki. Check out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings and see if you can come this Monday. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Take a look at Ricky's email on the website buildscript, we could use a few folks teaming on that, first to get from Ricky some requirements and scope, then to iterate on solutions. Who knows, might be more fun than packaging software. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone know of another alternative? Frank From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 15 07:31:03 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:31:03 -0400 Subject: Web form for Fedora TV video submission Message-ID: <507738ef0806150031p34508c90qd9467e5834e3e2c1@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, In case you don't know yet, we've just organised a Miro channel for Fedora so that we can put up screencasts/video interviews etc. What we'd like to do is make it really easy for people to submit their videos for inclusion so we thought a web form would be the best idea. What I was thinking was something that recorded the information: Name: E-Mail address: Video Title: Video URL: Video Description: And then, I think this information needs e-mailing either directly to an editor/group of editors or a mailing list for review. Once that's done, I guess it would be cool if the form could automatically update the RSS feed with the click of a button (something like "Approve") but this could also be done manually... Could anybody help me out with this? I looked into doing it really simply with Javascript but from what I've read I think I'm going to need to use PHP or something similar - actually I guess Python might be more popular in Fedora?! If somebody can point me in the right direction, then I could probably make some head way myself :) Best, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Sun Jun 15 14:20:53 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:20:53 -0700 Subject: Introduction - Frank Chiulli In-Reply-To: References: <1213453196.3866.375.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1213539653.3866.406.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 10:29 -0700, Frank Chiulli wrote: > 2008/6/14 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > > > > On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 10:12 -0700, Frank Chiulli wrote: > >> Put me to work, > > > > I'm just doing the welcome thing today, going to let someone with a > > better grasp of what needs done. Although I bet [[Websites/Tasks]] is > > populated on the wiki. > > > > Check out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings and see if you > > can come this Monday. > > > > - Karsten > > Unfortunately my employer does not allow IRC at work. I was using a > web interface to get to Freenode until I started getting messages > about cloning not being allowed. Depending entirely on your employer and their awareness of the value of Fedora contributions to the future of, for example, Red Hat products ... I've wondered about people getting exceptions to the IRC rule. I totally understand the reason some employers/controllers block it. That decision falls down as soon as support from an open project is needed, and IRC is the only way. Rules are made to be excepted ... In this case, you are not just seeking support but supplying it. One would hope an enlightened employer could be convinced. FWIW, be aware even not-very-savvy employers can use Google to interesting effect with these public archives. :/ > Anyone know of another alternative? I definitely don't advocate breaking the rules of your employer. Seeking an exception for a one hour meeting might be a good thing. Also, many people do participate in Fedora without using IRC; you can work on projects and send status reports via the list, for example. Myself, I use irssi (text IRC client that runs in a shell) + screen, accessed on a remote machine via ssh. I don't run a local IRC client very often, so I don't get to see how often it's blocked from the networks I'm on. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sun Jun 15 14:25:32 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:25:32 -0700 Subject: Web form for Fedora TV video submission In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806150031p34508c90qd9467e5834e3e2c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806150031p34508c90qd9467e5834e3e2c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213539932.3866.410.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 03:31 -0400, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > In case you don't know yet, we've just organised a Miro channel for > Fedora so that we can put up screencasts/video interviews etc. What > we'd like to do is make it really easy for people to submit their > videos for inclusion so we thought a web form would be the best idea. > What I was thinking was something that recorded the information: > > Name: > E-Mail address: > Video Title: > Video URL: > Video Description: > > And then, I think this information needs e-mailing either directly to > an editor/group of editors or a mailing list for review. Once that's > done, I guess it would be cool if the form could automatically update > the RSS feed with the click of a button (something like "Approve") but > this could also be done manually... FWIW, and not everyone agrees with my approach, I default to using a mailing list, even if I'm the only one subscribed. If it never scales beyond one editor, that's fine. It makes it easy to add more editors to the pool, gives a simple workflow mechanism (email arrives, someone replies that they are reviewing, then they post the results of their review as part of the dis/approval), and open public archives gives transparency to the review process. The latter is important for explaining to people why one thing was rejected and the other accepted. Also useful for new editors to learn the history of a particular problem, methodology, etc. > Could anybody help me out with this? I looked into doing it really > simply with Javascript but from what I've read I think I'm going to > need to use PHP or something similar - actually I guess Python might > be more popular in Fedora?! If somebody can point me in the right > direction, then I could probably make some head way myself :) Python + TurboGears + Genshi. What you might want to do is make a dummy page using the man websites GIT repository, and look at another TG-using app to see how it all ties together. Least, that's what I'd do if I had any clue as to what to do. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sun Jun 15 15:04:39 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:04:39 -0700 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1213285209.3171.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <1213285209.3171.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1213542279.3866.437.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 10:40 -0500, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > We are not hiding, I repeat... we are not hiding anything... all other > medias are still provided in the get-fedora section! I've read over this thread, done some thinking, and have a single usability suggestion that might start another way of viewing this problem. We may have all seen various "get" sites, such as getfirefox.com. Those sites parse the incoming browser and offer a download for the presumptive operating system. Most of the time they are right; someone wants Firefox for the system they are downloading onto. But there really isn't an explanation as to why this choice was made, and perhaps that is confusing in itself. Making best guesses for folks is a combination of art and science. Looking at Juan's latest front page[1], I see there is a bit of text around it. What if we found a concise way to make fun/light of the process of choosing for "newbies", while providing a link out to the non-default Fedora desktop? (Which happens to be KDE.) Download Fedora! => Single CD for Desktops and Laptops => We flipped a coin to choose this GNOME desktop as the default from amongst all the great single, live CDs. Who really knows best? Maybe you want the equally fantastic [live KDE CD] instead ... => Ready to use operating system /* not capitalized */ => Use it, modify it, and distribute it /* added ',' in serial list */ => Latest free software technology /* free and open are not cap'd */ => More ... Download Torrent Direct Download I'm making this suggestion with the consideration that these positions are all "right" and we can continue to find ways to support them: * Default desktop environment for Fedora could be any, it happens to be GNOME, and because of the years of history there, headway for KDE is harder. * The usability trend that has excited people about the web in the last few years is "fewer choices cluttering my screen." Call it the, "Why do we have N more links than google.com?" argument. The point here is: 1. We have to trust our usability experts, just as they trust us to {code,package,document,administrate,etc.}. 2. We don't have very many usability experts in Fedora (two?) - Pardon if there are more on the RHT Desktop team, I find them to be a bit quiet across the project so I'm not aware if/where they are leading. 3. Some of our usability experts are in fact GNOME UI folks, so it is no surprise if their philosophy matches GNOME. 4. KDE has a chicken-egg problem when it comes to getting wider usage in Fedora, one which was improved but not solved by the Core/Extras merger and strength of the KDE SIG. * For good or ill, we are battling over every single link on the fedoraproject.org front page. Kevin -- you may not be aware, but you are not the first part who has come to this team looking for your particular focus in Fedora to be made (more) prominent on the front page. Perhaps we need a changing "focus box" to bring such attention to SIG work, etc. The usability folks + some experience and stat tracking(?) has so far shown that we are in fact confusing people with all the choices on the front page, when choosing what to download, etc. The simple method we've chosen is to make a choice for the page viewer, at the same time making alternatives obviously available. Compared to "all links you might want on one page" and variations there-of, this simple method is superior and the one we are proceeding with right now. - Karsten [1] http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/ Right? BTW, I notice the 'Latest News' feeds are just FWN. Still thinking about doing the more feeds we've discussed previously? -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 15 15:12:22 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:12:22 -0400 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1213542279.3866.437.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <1213285209.3171.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1213542279.3866.437.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <48553156.5060109@fedoraproject.org> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > Download Fedora! > => Single CD for Desktops and Laptops > => We flipped a coin to choose this GNOME desktop as > the default from amongst all the great single, live CDs. > Who really knows best? Maybe you want the equally > fantastic [live KDE CD] instead ... I *really* don't like this idea. Problem is, I go and download Fedora and end up with say KDE and I love it. I tell my friend to go and download it, and they end up with GNOME. I'm trying to help them but our systems are totally different and we don't know enough to understand what is going on. The Fedora Desktop == GNOME. There is far more to this than flipping a coin. You're going to have a better experience if you use GNOME as a newbie because it has an exponentially larger number of maintainers and folks able to help with it. (Not to mention its philosophy of less clutter but I really don't want to get into that on this list) I think a call-out box to highlight various spins on the get Fedora page is fine and I do believe that was even in some of the mockups. The KDE spin could certainly be in that rotation. ~m From juankprada at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 15:47:01 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:47:01 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1213542279.3866.437.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <1213285209.3171.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1213542279.3866.437.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1213544821.8143.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 08:04 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 10:40 -0500, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > > We are not hiding, I repeat... we are not hiding anything... all other > > medias are still provided in the get-fedora section! > > I've read over this thread, done some thinking, and have a single > usability suggestion that might start another way of viewing this > problem. > > We may have all seen various "get" sites, such as getfirefox.com. Those > sites parse the incoming browser and offer a download for the > presumptive operating system. Most of the time they are right; someone > wants Firefox for the system they are downloading onto. But there > really isn't an explanation as to why this choice was made, and perhaps > that is confusing in itself. Making best guesses for folks is a > combination of art and science. > > Looking at Juan's latest front page[1], I see there is a bit of text > around it. What if we found a concise way to make fun/light of the > process of choosing for "newbies", while providing a link out to the > non-default Fedora desktop? (Which happens to be KDE.) > > Download Fedora! > => Single CD for Desktops and Laptops > => We flipped a coin to choose this GNOME desktop as > the default from amongst all the great single, live CDs. > Who really knows best? Maybe you want the equally > fantastic [live KDE CD] instead ... > => Ready to use operating system /* not capitalized */ > => Use it, modify it, and distribute it /* added ',' in serial list */ > => Latest free software technology /* free and open are not cap'd */ > => More ... > > Download Torrent Direct Download > I think it would be good to provide the correct arch in the front page link depending on the user visiting the site, but I'm not sure about showing there all other options as it will end up being like the current get-fedora section, a bunch of links with names without enough information maybe leading the user to select something he/she doesn't want (correct me if i am wrong but that's what i understood ^^) > I'm making this suggestion with the consideration that these positions > are all "right" and we can continue to find ways to support them: > > * Default desktop environment for Fedora could be any, it happens to be > GNOME, and because of the years of history there, headway for KDE is > harder. > > * The usability trend that has excited people about the web in the last > few years is "fewer choices cluttering my screen." Call it the, "Why do > we have N more links than google.com?" argument. The point here is: > This is something i would like to change. As mentioned on earlier discussions on this ml, we have different approaches as google.com, The web is made of links, and without links+information an informative website (which fp.o happens to be) is nothing. I dont want to get to the point where there are so many links that it looks disordered or overwhelming for a user to navigate on the site, but i do want to reach the point in where there are as many links directing to specific information about the project as a new user would probably need in order to find a way to start with fedora > 1. We have to trust our usability experts, just as they trust us to > {code,package,document,administrate,etc.}. > no discussion here... > 2. We don't have very many usability experts in Fedora (two?) > - Pardon if there are more on the RHT Desktop team, I find them to > be a bit quiet across the project so I'm not aware if/where they are > leading. > > 3. Some of our usability experts are in fact GNOME UI folks, so it is > no surprise if their philosophy matches GNOME. > > 4. KDE has a chicken-egg problem when it comes to getting wider usage > in Fedora, one which was improved but not solved by the Core/Extras > merger and strength of the KDE SIG. > > * For good or ill, we are battling over every single link on the > fedoraproject.org front page. > > Kevin -- you may not be aware, but you are not the first part who has > come to this team looking for your particular focus in Fedora to be made > (more) prominent on the front page. Perhaps we need a changing "focus > box" to bring such attention to SIG work, etc. The usability folks + > some experience and stat tracking(?) has so far shown that we are in > fact confusing people with all the choices on the front page, when > choosing what to download, etc. > > The simple method we've chosen is to make a choice for the page viewer, > at the same time making alternatives obviously available. Compared to > "all links you might want on one page" and variations there-of, this > simple method is superior and the one we are proceeding with right now. > > - Karsten > > [1] http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/ > > Right? > > BTW, I notice the 'Latest News' feeds are just FWN. Still thinking > about doing the more feeds we've discussed previously? Yup, about the news column i just happened to build the site with only one RSS feed, but of course... the more news about fedora the better (i was thinking on adding there some info about Events... so it would be more like a 'Lates News & Events' column :P... not sure about that though ) -- Juan Camilo Prada From jonstanley at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 18:10:05 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:10:05 -0400 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <48512A03.5040407@fedoraproject.org> <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <16de708d0806120947kba507b1rb4b3deb694f15ccf@mail.gmail.com> <1213289793.12501.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Forgot to reply to all. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > Again... lets stop the discussion about KDE vs Gnome we are not going > anywhere with that... As long as the official desktop is Gnome i think > we should stick to it and not to a SPIN (no offense to KDE sig or any > KDE fan). I'm not sure that GNOME has ever been blessed as a "official" desktop any more than KDE has. Sure, it;'s the one that I personally find most useful, and it is the default on a new install. The KDE LiveCD is an official spin, just as the GNOME LiveCD is an official spin. Note that I'm not advocating for the KDE guys here, I'm Sweden :) (disclaimer: I personally use GNOME or Xfce). > The decision to leave DVD media out of the equation is due to the fact > that it requires a lot more bandwidth to be downloaded in a considerable > time than a live media, and also not everybody is able to use a DVD in > their computer, it also has a lot more software than an average user > would probably need which seems like a waste of resources for a new user > to download such a big media just to end up using what the Desktop Live > media probably has. I see the problem here as what a Desktop Live Media does *not* have, which is OpenOffice.org. That's the kind of app that most users are going to be looking for, IMHO. From sr52roy at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 16:21:13 2008 From: sr52roy at gmail.com (anurag kumar) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:21:13 -0700 Subject: Request for mailing fedora 9 Message-ID: Kindly send The new relese "Fedora 9". If you need more details contact me. Thanking you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Ljteacher2 at aol.com Sun Jun 15 18:16:47 2008 From: Ljteacher2 at aol.com (Ljteacher2 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:16:47 EDT Subject: what is this Message-ID: Please unsubscribe or take me off your list. Not sure how this happened but I am having trouble getting on the web because your deal comes up. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. 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The KDE LiveCD is an > official spin, just as the GNOME LiveCD is an official spin. There is no such thing as a "GNOME LiveCD". The "Desktop Spin" or "Desktop LiveCD" is GNOME. ~m From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sun Jun 15 19:29:59 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:29:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <485563E4.40205@fedoraproject.org> References: <200806121534.03117.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <200806121548.35058.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <48512A03.5040407@fedoraproject.org> <200806121559.17431.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <16de708d0806120947kba507b1rb4b3deb694f15ccf@mail.gmail.com> <1213289793.12501.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <485563E4.40205@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Jun 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Jon Stanley wrote: > > I'm not sure that GNOME has ever been blessed as a "official" desktop > > any more than KDE has. > > It actually has been. > This is true, I actually don't know where this is documented but the Fedora Board says the GNOME version is our official version. -Mike From kevin.kofler at chello.at Sun Jun 15 23:46:44 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:46:44 +0200 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora Message-ID: <200806160146.44978.kevin.kofler@chello.at> M?ir?n Duffy wrote (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00166.html): > There is no such thing as a "GNOME LiveCD". The "Desktop Spin" or "Desktop > LiveCD" is GNOME. That's a naming issue which, while I think it is important (i.e. that this naming is stupid and biased), is not really relevant to this discussion. Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00160.html): > 1. We have to trust our usability experts, just as they trust us to > {code,package,document,administrate,etc.}. [snip] > 3. Some of our usability experts are in fact GNOME UI folks, so it is > no surprise if their philosophy matches GNOME. Don't we have any less biased people we could trust? It's obvious that GNOME UI folks have a vested interest in hiding all non-GNOME choices. > 4. KDE has a chicken-egg problem when it comes to getting wider usage > in Fedora, one which was improved but not solved by the Core/Extras > merger and strength of the KDE SIG. I believe KDE in Fedora has many more users than you seem to believe. I wonder if we have any reliable usage stats there. I've seen the Mugshot stats, but unfortunately they suffer from heavy selection bias because Mugshot is closely connected to GNOME. They also do not capture stats for the average user, only for the small group of people who use Mugshot. > Perhaps we need a changing "focus box" to bring such attention to SIG work, > etc. While I think this is a good idea, I also think KDE really doesn't belong to such a "focus box" only, but should be presented in the same way GNOME is. > The simple method we've chosen is to make a choice for the page viewer, > at the same time making alternatives obviously available. Compared to > "all links you might want on one page" and variations there-of, this > simple method is superior and the one we are proceeding with right now. As I said right when starting this thread (when I asked whether we want to designate a "default" spin of Fedora at all) I consider "all links you might want on one page" to be the correct solution. What I'd keep from Juank's mockup is the added descriptions (though the one for the so-called "Desktop Live" is still missing the word "GNOME" in his mockup), and I'd simply point the big "download Fedora now" link on the front page to get-fedora, not to a particular spin. M?ir?n Duffy wrote (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00161.html): > Problem is, I go and download Fedora and end up with say KDE and I love it. > I tell my friend to go and download it, and they end up with GNOME. I don't see a problem there. In that hypothetical scenario, you both tried a version of Fedora, or ideally tried both and picked the one you liked best, but in any case ended up with a version you like. That's the niceness of choice, different people have different tastes, and they can all be made happy. Nobody here wants to take GNOME away from you, we just want KDE to get the equal treatment it deserves. I realize that being involved with GNOME, you want GNOME to succeed, but please try to understand that being involved with KDE, I want KDE to succeed too. ;-) (And of course other KDE SIG members want that too, see e.g. Sebastian Vahl's reply.) > You're going to have a better experience if you use GNOME as a newbie > because it has an exponentially larger number of maintainers and folks able > to help with it. We (KDE SIG) have been successfully recruiting more and more KDE maintainers (mostly volunteers, but Red Hat hiring Luk?? Tinkl was also a great move) since the Core/Extras Merge. We already went from 1 KDE maintainer before the merge to 4 core package maintainers, 1 Live CD maintainer and a few application maintainers, and that number is only going to grow. > I think a call-out box to highlight various spins on the get Fedora page is > fine and I do believe that was even in some of the mockups. The KDE spin > could certainly be in that rotation. The KDE spin deserves a permanent mention, it should not get rotated away. Kevin Kofler From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 01:36:59 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?windows-1252?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:36:59 -0400 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <200806160146.44978.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200806160146.44978.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <4855C3BB.9030400@fedoraproject.org> Kevin Kofler wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote > (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00166.html): >> There is no such thing as a "GNOME LiveCD". The "Desktop Spin" or "Desktop >> LiveCD" is GNOME. > > That's a naming issue which, while I think it is important (i.e. that this > naming is stupid and biased), is not really relevant to this discussion. No, it's not a naming issue, it was a deliberate decision. I was not involved in that decision so please refrain from taking it out on me. Thanks. > > Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote > (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00160.html): >> 1. We have to trust our usability experts, just as they trust us to >> {code,package,document,administrate,etc.}. > [snip] >> 3. Some of our usability experts are in fact GNOME UI folks, so it is >> no surprise if their philosophy matches GNOME. > > Don't we have any less biased people we could trust? It's obvious that GNOME > UI folks have a vested interest in hiding all non-GNOME choices. Gee, thanks. I'm biased because I think: 1) The desktop spin of Fedora is GNOME-based. 2) The default desktop of Fedora is GNOME. 3) The most popular download of Fedora is the x86 Desktop Spin (which, from #1, happens to be GNOME-based) 4) There are far more maintainers of GNOME involved in Fedora than KDE. 5) A beginner choosing the Fedora desktop environment with more maintainers and support seems likely to have a better experience than a beginner that chooses the desktop with less maintainers and support. 6) Overwhelming new users with multiple permutations of Fedora to download is probably a bad idea from a usability perspective. 7) The get Fedora page has traditionally been too complicated because it is so cluttered and the websites team have received many complaints to this effect. I don't know, those seem to be pretty objective and logical statements to me. But, you know, whatever. Apparently I'm not a responsible designer. I suppose I should just give up now since you've written me off. Are there any other "unbiased" designers who would like to step up in my place? There's certainly a lot of other things I could be doing with my time. > >> 4. KDE has a chicken-egg problem when it comes to getting wider usage >> in Fedora, one which was improved but not solved by the Core/Extras >> merger and strength of the KDE SIG. > > I believe KDE in Fedora has many more users than you seem to believe. We chose the desktop spin, which happens to be GNOME, based on website statistics indicating that it was the most popular download. Please argue that with apache or whatever was collecting the statistics, not me. Thanks. > > I wonder if we have any reliable usage stats there. I've seen the Mugshot > stats, but unfortunately they suffer from heavy selection bias because > Mugshot is closely connected to GNOME. They also do not capture stats for the > average user, only for the small group of people who use Mugshot. Shall I pull out my violin? > >> Perhaps we need a changing "focus box" to bring such attention to SIG work, >> etc. We have a rotating banner series on the front page of FPO. The KDE SIG as of yet has not submitted a request for a banner to the art team nor has any collateral for said banner to link for been developed AFAIK. > > While I think this is a good idea, I also think KDE really doesn't belong to > such a "focus box" only, but should be presented in the same way GNOME is. You will need to take this up with the Board. Maybe if I keep repeating this, it will help. You've only been told to do so by myself and Mike McGrath in two other emails on this list so maybe it bears repeating. > >> The simple method we've chosen is to make a choice for the page viewer, >> at the same time making alternatives obviously available. Compared to >> "all links you might want on one page" and variations there-of, this >> simple method is superior and the one we are proceeding with right now. > > As I said right when starting this thread (when I asked whether we want to > designate a "default" spin of Fedora at all) I consider "all links you might > want on one page" to be the correct solution. > > What I'd keep from Juank's mockup is the added descriptions (though the one > for the so-called "Desktop Live" is still missing the word "GNOME" in his > mockup), and I'd simply point the big "download Fedora now" link on the front > page to get-fedora, not to a particular spin. One of the goals of the website design, the top goal actually overwhelmingly in a collective vote of the websites team, was to provide a one click download to getting Fedora and we had collectively decided that the x86 desktop spin was the one that should be liked there: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-May/msg00094.html You are suggesting we should drop that goal because there are two desktops and it's unfair to favor GNOME? I'm sorry, but you will make no progress arguing this with me or the websites team. You need to take this up with the Board. That you are continuing to argue this with me on this list where you can make no progress but will only cause people to get upset is not very mature or responsible, is it? > > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote > (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00161.html): >> Problem is, I go and download Fedora and end up with say KDE and I love it. >> I tell my friend to go and download it, and they end up with GNOME. > > I don't see a problem there. In that hypothetical scenario, you both tried a > version of Fedora, or ideally tried both and picked the one you liked best, > but in any case ended up with a version you like. That's the niceness of > choice, different people have different tastes, and they can all be made > happy. Nobody here wants to take GNOME away from you, we just want KDE to get > the equal treatment it deserves. Yes, there is a problem. The Fedora experience is two very separate experiences. I can't support my friend because I'm not even using the same desktop, and if I'm a beginner I may not even understand that. It may be difficult for me to get help. > > I realize that being involved with GNOME, you want GNOME to succeed, but > please try to understand that being involved with KDE, I want KDE to succeed > too. ;-) (And of course other KDE SIG members want that too, see e.g. > Sebastian Vahl's reply.) I'm hardly involved with GNOME these days. GNOME is my desktop of preference but, contrary to your belief, I am a responsible & professional designer. I had nothing to do with the decision to make GNOME the default desktop; this was decided long before I was ever a Red Hat employee. I also had no involvement in producing the statistics that indicated the Fedora desktop x86 spin as being the most downloaded spin. Accusing me of irresponsibility in my design work because I happen to be involved in the GNOME project is pretty immature, Kevin. I have done nothing wrong to you but stated plain facts. > >> You're going to have a better experience if you use GNOME as a newbie >> because it has an exponentially larger number of maintainers and folks able >> to help with it. > > We (KDE SIG) have been successfully recruiting more and more KDE maintainers > (mostly volunteers, but Red Hat hiring Luk?? Tinkl was also a great move) > since the Core/Extras Merge. We already went from 1 KDE maintainer before the > merge to 4 core package maintainers, 1 Live CD maintainer and a few > application maintainers, and that number is only going to grow. Perhaps the KDE SIG is growing, but the number of people involved seriously pales in comparison to the number of people involved in GNOME in Fedora and at Red Hat. This is just a cold, hard fact. >> I think a call-out box to highlight various spins on the get Fedora page is >> fine and I do believe that was even in some of the mockups. The KDE spin >> could certainly be in that rotation. > > The KDE spin deserves a permanent mention, it should not get rotated away. Why? I only want what is best for new Fedora users. GNOME is the default desktop in Fedora. That is something I did not decide, that is something I have no choice in. So please stop taking it out on me. Please be respectful. I am taking that as a given. If KDE was the default desktop, my opinion on the design of the page would be exactly the same. I don't really care either way, but I want new users to have one obvious choice so their experience is as streamlined as possible. More advanced users that know enough to care will of course be provided access to other options. Throwing too many options at the very new users you are trying to usher into Fedora and make it as easy as possible to start using Fedora is a terrible, terrible idea. If the websites team as designers make an exception for KDE, then we'll have other spins asking for exceptions. KDE can be part of a rotating banner and if it is really that important to you, we can weigh it more heavily than the other banners. By no means, however,do I think it's a good idea to place the GNOME and KDE desktops on equal footing on the get Fedora page. The distinction is meaningless to the new users we are trying so desperately to attract, and the argument that they are equal is also moot because GNOME is the default desktop and thus are NOT equal. I think you owe me an apology. I'll be happy to accept your actually going to the Board rather than engaging in a long, drawn-out flame war as an apology. Please do so. ~m From juankprada at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 02:33:45 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:33:45 -0500 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <4855C3BB.9030400@fedoraproject.org> References: <200806160146.44978.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4855C3BB.9030400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1213583625.3154.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 21:36 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I only want what is best for new Fedora users. GNOME is the default > desktop in Fedora. That is something I did not decide, that is something > I have no choice in. So please stop taking it out on me. Please be > respectful. I am taking that as a given. If KDE was the default desktop, > my opinion on the design of the page would be exactly the same. I don't > really care either way, but I want new users to have one obvious choice > so their experience is as streamlined as possible. More advanced users > that know enough to care will of course be provided access to other options. > > Throwing too many options at the very new users you are trying to usher > into Fedora and make it as easy as possible to start using Fedora is a > terrible, terrible idea. If the websites team as designers make an > exception for KDE, then we'll have other spins asking for exceptions. > KDE can be part of a rotating banner and if it is really that important > to you, we can weigh it more heavily than the other banners. By no > means, however,do I think it's a good idea to place the GNOME and KDE > desktops on equal footing on the get Fedora page. The distinction is > meaningless to the new users we are trying so desperately to attract, > and the argument that they are equal is also moot because GNOME is the > default desktop and thus are NOT equal. > > I think you owe me an apology. I'll be happy to accept your actually > going to the Board rather than engaging in a long, drawn-out flame war > as an apology. Please do so. > > ~m > Its just me or things are starting to get out of control here?.... As a response to M?ir?n's comments, yes i think Kevin owes an apology, Many times you were told to bring the discussion about KDE vs Gnome as the default desktop to the board, and not only you kept flaming here, but also insulted M?r?n and her work. Not only she has worked on this changes since the beginning (doing a great job by providing new designs/mockups, feedback and leadership when needed), she was the one who lead the effort setting the top ten things to do on the website, and as the result there are all these changes that have been proposed by the websites team, and now you are taking this personal. Now, as this is not going anywhere, i propose just sticking to the issues that matter in this ml and leave this flame behind. Again, Kevin (and any other who desires and feels like there is some kind of injustice here) propose to the board setting KDE as the default desktop environment and if that is accepted we will happily change the default media in the one-click download to KDE (or any other that is confirmed as the default one). So, if there is any other comment about my proposal[1] please share it. Im concerned that, so far (apart from what was said in the last meeting) i have only received this kind of feedback. ??[1] http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/ -- Juan Camilo Prada From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 02:56:29 2008 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (Seth Vidal) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <4855C3BB.9030400@fedoraproject.org> References: <200806160146.44978.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4855C3BB.9030400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Jun 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > No, it's not a naming issue, it was a deliberate decision. I was not involved > in that decision so please refrain from taking it out on me. Thanks. Mo, thanks for responding to this. Kevin, The board decided this quite some time ago. If you'd like to bring it up again, you're welcome to - on fedora-advisory-board list. Please end this thread here. It is engendering anger and unproductive. -sv From l_bottani at yahoo.es Mon Jun 16 03:10:12 2008 From: l_bottani at yahoo.es (Luis Felipe Bottani Schayman) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:10:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Fedora Core en Bolivia Message-ID: <354526.6784.qm@web27903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> A quien corresponda, Estoy interesado en poder distribuir el Sistema Operativo Linux?Fedora Core?en Bolivia, siendo un software de uso libre como profesional del area tambien me interesaria saber si?tienen cursos on-line para administracion y?desarrollo en entorno Linux?y configuracion de servidores, somos un grupo reducido?de trabajo aqui en Santa Cruz -?Bolivia con ancias de aprender y crecer atrayendo a mas gente pero por falta de informacion y apoyo no tenemos los recursos para poder involucrar a mas personas ademas que?queremos aprender todo sobre Linux asi empezar a distribuirlo en Bolivia. Cualquier sugerencia, informacion o?apoyo?les agradeceria. Atte. Ing. Luis Felipe Bottani Schayman ?????? 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La direcci?n de correo webmaster at fedoraproject.org es solo para asuntos relacionados con la pagina web de Fedora. Para soporte general de Fedora, por favor revisa la seccion http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate > -- Juan Camilo Prada From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jun 16 08:13:22 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:13:22 +0300 Subject: "Default" spin of Fedora In-Reply-To: <4855C3BB.9030400@fedoraproject.org> References: <200806160146.44978.kevin.kofler@chello.at> <4855C3BB.9030400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <485620A2.70801@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Gee, thanks. I'm biased because I think: > > 1) The desktop spin of Fedora is GNOME-based. > 2) The default desktop of Fedora is GNOME. > 3) The most popular download of Fedora is the x86 Desktop Spin (which, > from #1, happens to be GNOME-based) > 4) There are far more maintainers of GNOME involved in Fedora than KDE. > 5) A beginner choosing the Fedora desktop environment with more > maintainers and support seems likely to have a better experience than a > beginner that chooses the desktop with less maintainers and support. > 6) Overwhelming new users with multiple permutations of Fedora to > download is probably a bad idea from a usability perspective. > 7) The get Fedora page has traditionally been too complicated because it > is so cluttered and the websites team have received many complaints to > this effect. You forgot: 8) The large majority of our existing documentation and manuals [1] refers to the GNOME desktop. [1] - for example http://docs.fedoraproject.org/desktop-user-guide/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 10:24:07 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:54:07 +0530 Subject: Request for mailing fedora 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48563F47.7040806@fedoraproject.org> anurag kumar wrote: > Kindly send The new relese "Fedora 9". If you need more details contact me. > Thanking you. Not sure what you are looking for but if you want free media, refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 16 10:46:44 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:46:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Meeting June 16, 20:00 UTC Message-ID: Hi Websites team: We are scheduled for a meeting tonight. I think the main topics for conversation are the "Default spin of Fedora" thread & how that impacts our get-fedora mockup work. Furthermore, I would like to give you guys the basic plan for the spins.fedoraproject.org work that I want to try to achieve at FUDCon. --Max From juankprada at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 11:42:19 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:42:19 -0500 Subject: Meeting June 16, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1213616539.3139.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 12:46 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > Hi Websites team: > > We are scheduled for a meeting tonight. I think the main topics for > conversation are the "Default spin of Fedora" thread & how that impacts > our get-fedora mockup work. Furthermore, I would like to give you guys > the basic plan for the spins.fedoraproject.org work that I want to try > to achieve at FUDCon. > > --Max > I wont be able to attend, i jest received an email from my sponsor at Campus Party and i have a meeting today at the same time as the websites meeting. I'll be checking the log when it comes out. For the topics proposed you know my position about the default desktop, and about spins, well ill accept what you propose there Max :) -- Juan Camilo Prada From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 16 12:00:07 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:00:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Meeting June 16, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <1213616539.3139.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1213616539.3139.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > I wont be able to attend, i jest received an email from my sponsor at > Campus Party and i have a meeting today at the same time as the > websites meeting. No problem, and as always, thank you so much for your work. Can we get a few other either "I'll be there" or "no I won't" for tonight, and see if we have a critical mass or not. I know this is a travel week for a lot of Fedora folks, with RH Summit and FUDCon happening. --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 16 12:30:44 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:30:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: the plan for FUDCon Message-ID: Who will be at FUDCon? I would like to have a spins.fedoraproject.org conversation/workshop on Friday morning, starting at 10:00 AM, and going for a few hours. How does this work for folks? --Max From juankprada at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 13:33:00 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:33:00 -0500 Subject: the plan for FUDCon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1213623180.7409.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 14:30 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > Who will be at FUDCon? > > I would like to have a spins.fedoraproject.org conversation/workshop on > Friday morning, starting at 10:00 AM, and going for a few hours. > > How does this work for folks? > > --Max > If you plan to be on IRC while working on the spins.fp.o at FUDcon, then I will meet you at #fedora-websites ? so far i have played a bit with TurboGears to get to know the probably-to-be-chosen framework. -- Juan Camilo Prada From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 16 14:07:35 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:07:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: the plan for FUDCon In-Reply-To: <1213623180.7409.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1213623180.7409.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > If you plan to be on IRC while working on the spins.fp.o at FUDcon, > then I will meet you at #fedora-websites ? so far i have played a bit > with TurboGears to get to know the probably-to-be-chosen framework. Depending on how the meeting goes, we'll either find someone to type into IRC at the same time, or just present a summary of everything that we discuss to fedora-websites-list to let folks who are not there get up to speed. --Max From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Jun 16 14:26:35 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:26:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New site request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > Howdy websits'ers. The new asterisk server is under way and we'll need a > website for it similar to - https://fedorahosted.org/web/about > > Few links on the left, few pages. But with the right look and feel. > We'll also need to have that serverbeach logo on there (thanks serverbeach > :) > > Pages needed: > * About > * FAQ > * Access > * Usage > * Troubleshooting > > Any takers? If so just get to work and stick it in the git repo under > asterisk.fedoraproject.org > No one replied to this? Are there any takers? -Mike From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 14:30:24 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:30:24 -0400 Subject: Meeting June 16, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <1213616539.3139.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0806160730i48912cd1n4bc65b23ca544072@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/16 Max Spevack : > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > >> I wont be able to attend, i jest received an email from my sponsor at >> Campus Party and i have a meeting today at the same time as the websites >> meeting. > > No problem, and as always, thank you so much for your work. > > Can we get a few other either "I'll be there" or "no I won't" for tonight, > and see if we have a critical mass or not. Normal service is finally resumed on my end, so I'll be there tonight, ready to log and minute :) Best, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 14:31:45 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:31:45 -0400 Subject: New site request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0806160731m7e8bb1e5k1f16bd21842e025a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/16 Mike McGrath : > On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > >> Howdy websits'ers. The new asterisk server is under way and we'll need a >> website for it similar to - https://fedorahosted.org/web/about >> >> Few links on the left, few pages. But with the right look and feel. >> We'll also need to have that serverbeach logo on there (thanks serverbeach >> :) >> >> Pages needed: >> * About >> * FAQ >> * Access >> * Usage >> * Troubleshooting >> >> Any takers? If so just get to work and stick it in the git repo under >> asterisk.fedoraproject.org >> > > No one replied to this? Are there any takers? If no one else replies I'll pick this up tomorrow and put something together based of the main fp.o pages... Best, Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 16 14:47:55 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:47:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: New site request In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806160731m7e8bb1e5k1f16bd21842e025a@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806160731m7e8bb1e5k1f16bd21842e025a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > If no one else replies I'll pick this up tomorrow and put something > together based of the main fp.o pages... Mike, If you're willing to answer a few questions f2f at FUDCon, I'll take this. I'm looking to expand my TODO list with one or two small technical projects, and I think this would be a good one for me. --Max From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 15:03:16 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:03:16 -0400 Subject: Meeting June 16, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806160730i48912cd1n4bc65b23ca544072@mail.gmail.com> References: <1213616539.3139.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0806160730i48912cd1n4bc65b23ca544072@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/6/16 Max Spevack : >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: >> >>> I wont be able to attend, i jest received an email from my sponsor at >>> Campus Party and i have a meeting today at the same time as the websites >>> meeting. >> >> No problem, and as always, thank you so much for your work. >> >> Can we get a few other either "I'll be there" or "no I won't" for tonight, >> and see if we have a critical mass or not. I will be there as much as my $day_job allows. -- Craig From fedora at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 14:52:34 2008 From: fedora at fedoraproject.org (Seth Vidal) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New site request In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0806160731m7e8bb1e5k1f16bd21842e025a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > If you're willing to answer a few questions f2f at FUDCon, I'll take this. > I'm looking to expand my TODO list with one or two small technical projects, > and I think this would be a good one for me. > What's the possibility the web server could run on the same box as the asterisk box? I ask b/c it would be neat to be able to query the running asterisk session in interesting ways. -sv From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Jun 16 15:38:55 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:38:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New site request In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0806160731m7e8bb1e5k1f16bd21842e025a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Seth Vidal wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > > > If you're willing to answer a few questions f2f at FUDCon, I'll take this. > > I'm looking to expand my TODO list with one or two small technical projects, > > and I think this would be a good one for me. > > > > What's the possibility the web server could run on the same box as the > asterisk box? I ask b/c it would be neat to be able to query the running > asterisk session in interesting ways. It will be on the same box. There's a few nifty utilities and web things that I'd like to see out there :) -Mike From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Jun 16 15:39:32 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:39:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New site request In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0806160731m7e8bb1e5k1f16bd21842e025a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > If no one else replies I'll pick this up tomorrow and put something together > > based of the main fp.o pages... > > Mike, > > If you're willing to answer a few questions f2f at FUDCon, I'll take this. > I'm looking to expand my TODO list with one or two small technical projects, > and I think this would be a good one for me. > Thanks Max, I'm actually hoping to have this done before then (I'd like to announce that its ready at FUDCon) -Mike From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 16 15:47:31 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:47:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: New site request In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0806160731m7e8bb1e5k1f16bd21842e025a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > Thanks Max, I'm actually hoping to have this done before then (I'd > like to announce that its ready at FUDCon) Well, I'm on a plane all day Tuesday. I can spend a chunk of time on it Wednesday (as that is kind of a catch-up day for me), and see if we can get it pretty close to finished in time for Thursday's start of FUDCon. Does that work? --Max From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 15:59:48 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:59:48 +0100 Subject: New site request In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0806160731m7e8bb1e5k1f16bd21842e025a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806160859t549e52f3q6e03004cd37eefa1@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/16 Max Spevack : > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > >> Thanks Max, I'm actually hoping to have this done before then (I'd like to >> announce that its ready at FUDCon) > > Well, I'm on a plane all day Tuesday. I can spend a chunk of time on it > Wednesday (as that is kind of a catch-up day for me), and see if we can get > it pretty close to finished in time for Thursday's start of FUDCon. > > Does that work? I'll happily give this one to you Max - have fun :) Jon From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Jun 16 16:02:54 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:02:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New site request In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806160859t549e52f3q6e03004cd37eefa1@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806160731m7e8bb1e5k1f16bd21842e025a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160859t549e52f3q6e03004cd37eefa1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/6/16 Max Spevack : > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > >> Thanks Max, I'm actually hoping to have this done before then (I'd like to > >> announce that its ready at FUDCon) > > > > Well, I'm on a plane all day Tuesday. I can spend a chunk of time on it > > Wednesday (as that is kind of a catch-up day for me), and see if we can get > > it pretty close to finished in time for Thursday's start of FUDCon. > > > > Does that work? > > I'll happily give this one to you Max - have fun :) > Sweet, thanks Max! -Mike From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 17:30:29 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:30:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Meeting June 16, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <1213616539.3139.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > Can we get a few other either "I'll be there" or "no I won't" for tonight, > and see if we have a critical mass or not. > I should be there if I still have internet. Connectivity is iffy when we've got storms/rain. -- ian From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 17:31:44 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:31:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the plan for FUDCon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > Who will be at FUDCon? > > I would like to have a spins.fedoraproject.org conversation/workshop on > Friday morning, starting at 10:00 AM, and going for a few hours. > > How does this work for folks? > Works for me. -- ian From dkaylor at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 17:34:58 2008 From: dkaylor at gmail.com (David Kaylor) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:34:58 -0400 Subject: Fedora Websites development help In-Reply-To: <20080613020658.GC3658@Max> References: <20080613020658.GC3658@Max> Message-ID: <94a5bde10806161034t69f69098ya86867dbd1128f0@mail.gmail.com> I did some thinking about the first issue this weekend. If mod_negotiate would allow you map languages by directory structure instead of file name, the issue of running on an unconfigured site would go away. For example, http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora maps to DOCUMENT_ROOT/get-fedora.html.en. If it could instead map to DOCUMENT_ROOT/en/get-fedora, the site would work with unconfigured servers. With that in mind, I did some tinkering using mod_rewrite and had some success implementing this behavior: # If the browser prefers a language, set the prefer-language environment variable accordingly SetEnvIf Accept-Language ^.*(ar|bal|ca|de|el|en|es|fa|fi|fr|he|id|it|ja|nl|pl|ro|ru|sk|sr).*$ prefer-language=$1 RewriteEngine on # If the query string contains ?lang=[lang], set prefer-language and redirect RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} ^lang=(ar|bal|ca|de|el|en|es|fa|fi|fr|he|id|it|ja|nl|pl|pt_BR|ro|ru|sk|sr|zh_CN)$ RewriteRule ^(?:/(?:ar|bal|ca|de|el|en|es|fa|fi|fr|he|id|it|ja|nl|pl|pt_BR|ro|ru|sk|sr|zh_CN))?(/.*)$ /%1$1? [E=prefer-language:%1,R=301] # Pick a language directory based on prefer-language RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/(ar|bal|ca|de|el|en|es|fa|fi|fr|he|id|it|ja|nl|pl|ro|ru|sk|sr|static)(/|) RewriteRule ^(/.*)$ /%{ENV:prefer-language}/$1 # If a page is missing for a non-English language, fall back to the English page RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !-U RewriteRule ^/(ar|bal|ca|de|el|es|fa|fi|fr|he|id|it|ja|nl|pl|ro|ru|sk|sr|)/(.*)$ /en/$2 There are potentially some issues with this solution, but it at least provides some food for thought. -Dave 2008/6/12 Ricky Zhou : > Wow, thanks for all of the resposes to Max's call for volunteers! > > So here's a summary of what we're looking to do with the buildscript. > > Right now, we have a general process for creating the website, but it's > not pretty. Basically, we have a build script which goes through and > just runs each page through genshi. Unfortunately, when we throw > translations into the mix, it gets a bit complicated. > > Right now, we handle translations (and the language selector) through > some Apache + mod_negotiate magic (see the bottom of > > http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git?p=fedora-web.git;a=blob;f=fedoraproject.org/httpd/conf/httpd.conf.in > ) > So one immediate problem here is that it's not easy for somebody to > make some changes and just scp them to their fedorapeople space (or > anywhere without some specialized apache configs present). I have some > ideas for making this better (which would involve some modifications to > the buildscript). Overall, the goal is to just make our process > friendlier and easier to get started with. > > The other general issue that I'd like to discuss is what kind of > workflow we can establish for working with translators. Right now, > we're just pushing English changes up immediately (which means that many > pages can be untranslated, or even partially translated). > > Anyway, if anybody wants to take a look at some of these issues, you can > get the source of the website with: > > git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git > > Feel free to ask any questions on-list (or we have an IRC channel, > #fedora-websites on irc.freenode.net). We also have weekly meetings > (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings for the schedule). > > Thanks, > Ricky > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The SIG home page has been moved to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fonts_SIG The old SIG pipeline and wishlist pages have been split in per-font articles to be more manageable: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Packaged_fonts http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Font_wishlist The new SIG workflow is to create a new page per font and change the page category as the font progresses in the packaging process. A documented font page template is provided to ease this workflow. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Font_description_template If you're the maintainer of a font package, or if you've added a font to the wishlist, please check the corresponding font page exists and is as complete as possible. I've nuked the old SIG member list. It was incomplete and not up to date. If you wish to register your interest in the SIG please just add the Fonts_SIG_members category to your homepage to get listed there. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fonts_SIG_members Using categories means you get nice dynamic self-maintaining indexes all over the place. I hope the end result is clear and pleasant and will motivate more people to work on the big font wishlist. Remember: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_10_fonts_packaging_call Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We'll also need to have that serverbeach >>> logo on there (thanks serverbeach :) >>> >>> Pages needed: >>> * About >>> * FAQ >>> * Access >>> * Usage >>> * Troubleshooting >>> >>> Any takers? If so just get to work and stick it in the >>> git repo under asterisk.fedoraproject.org >>> >> >> No one replied to this? Are there any takers? > >If no one else replies I'll pick this up tomorrow and put >something together based of the main fp.o pages... > >Best, > >Jon > >-- >Fedora-websites-list mailing list >Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list I'd like to help out with this. I'll try and take a look at it a little later when I'm off from work. I may have a number of questions though as I'm still new and it would be my first time working with git. I'll keep in touch Jon or hopefully speak with you on IRC. Regards, Yannick From ylynfatt at flowja.com Mon Jun 16 18:58:16 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (ylynfatt) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:58:16 -0500 Subject: Meeting June 16, 20:00 UTC Message-ID: <4856b7c8.2b6.6c52.1843689386@flowja.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Weller To: Max Spevack Cc: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Meeting June 16, 20:00 UTC Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:30:29 -0500 (CDT) >On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > >> Can we get a few other either "I'll be there" or "no I >> won't" for tonight, and see if we have a critical mass >>or not. >I should be there if I still have internet. Connectivity is >iffy when we've got storms/rain. -- ian > >-- >Fedora-websites-list mailing list >Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list Unfortunately I'm still a no go for the meetings due to my situation with the campus network. I'll be sure to keep up with the logs though. Regards, Yannick From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 21:37:37 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:37:37 -0400 Subject: planet progress In-Reply-To: References: <20080603221305.GA3883@Max> <20080604005338.GE3883@Max> <1212544793.3401.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080616213737.GA22770@Max> Looks like it got pushed live, and it looks wonderful. Thanks, Craig! Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I like these meetings because they are only at 10 PM and not midnight :) 15:43 < ivazquez> Heh. 15:45 -!- TimBurke [i=Tim at unaffiliated/timburke] has joined #fedora-websites 15:46 < spevack> is that *the* TimBurke?? 15:46 < TimBurke> Well I'm the one subscribed to the list, so maybe? 15:46 < spevack> Red Hat engineering manager Tim Burke? 15:46 < TimBurke> Ha. no. 15:47 < spevack> well, now you can be *the* Tim Burke, and he can be the *other* Tim Burke :) 15:47 < TimBurke> LOL ok. 15:47 < ianweller> oh, meeting in 13 or so. /me pays attention to things 15:49 < mmcgrath> spevack: I was laughing about that too 15:50 < spevack> mmcgrath: i was thinking wow, this meeting just went up a few notches in terms of importance :) 15:50 < spevack> either that or tim needs more to do! 15:53 < spevack> looks like the new planet look&feel just went live 15:54 < spevack> epiphany is not doing a very good job rendering it 15:55 -!- JonRob [n=jon at 88-111-226-231.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #fedora-websites 15:56 < spevack> hi JonRob 15:56 < JonRob> hey spevack :) 15:57 < JonRob> u already for travelling to fudcon? 15:57 < spevack> my flight is at 9:30 or something like that tomorrow morning, UTC +2 15:57 < JonRob> ah not too bad then 15:58 < JonRob> picked my cousin up from the airport this morning - 7.55 arrival :S 15:58 < spevack> ugh 15:58 < JonRob> think she had to get out of bed at 3! 15:58 -!- fchiulli [i=824c4011 at gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fbbe7db3111f0654] has joined #fedora-websites 15:59 < JonRob> thanks for doing the asterisk site btw... 15:59 < spevack> JonRob: no problem 16:00 < spevack> i sit here every week "leading" I figure it's time i actually did something! 16:00 < JonRob> lol 16:00 < ianweller> hehe 16:00 < spevack> ok, who's around? 16:00 < spevack> Roll call please 16:00 * ianweller 16:00 < spevack> Max Spevack 16:00 < JonRob> Jonathan Roberts 16:00 < ivazquez> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams 16:01 < spevack> anyone else? 16:01 < fchiulli> Frank Chiulli 16:01 < spevack> how's everyone doing this week? 16:02 * stickster laughs at earlier TimBurke conversation 16:02 < giarc> CraigThomas 16:02 < giarc> we have a new planet! 16:02 < spevack> So i notice that the new look & feel is live 16:02 < spevack> giarc: that was my first topic :) 16:02 * ianweller applauds it 16:02 < spevack> I think it looks great 16:02 < spevack> but for the sake of completeness 16:02 < spevack> we need two more things 16:02 < giarc> ah i see that, reading the back scroll now... 16:02 < spevack> 1) a wiki page where people can file bugs 16:03 < spevack> 2) a blog post advertising that wiki page 16:03 < spevack> who wants this? 16:03 < JonRob> giarc: you rock :) 16:03 < abadger1999> Toshio Kuratomi 16:03 < spevack> yeah, great work craig 16:03 < giarc> ill make a wiki page 16:03 < giarc> thanks guys 16:03 < ianweller> speaking of bugs. http://planet.fedoraproject.org/heads/ -- that's still linked from the home page, but isn't being updated 16:04 < ianweller> so either it needs shot from the links list, or skvidal has more work cut out for him 16:04 < spevack> giarc: major congrats though. not picking on you -- *everything* needs a bugs page :) 16:04 < mmcgrath> we starting ze' meeting? 16:04 < spevack> we have 16:05 < JonRob> giarc - dare i ask, but do you have a new target for common look and feel? 16:05 < spevack> we're talking about the new look & feel of planet 16:05 < JonRob> lol sorry for asking! 16:05 < mmcgrath> ah 16:05 < giarc> spevack, i understand... 16:05 < giarc> docs 16:05 < giarc> unless we have other sites that we think need it more ? 16:05 < JonRob> giarc: cool - you shoud speak to couf as he was talking about moving the docs over to the websites' git repo 16:05 < ianweller> docs should be the next first priority, imho 16:06 * spevack votes with the majority 16:06 * couf checks in 16:06 < giarc> JonRob, ok, will do... 16:06 < giarc> and there he is! 16:06 < JonRob> speak of the devil :p 16:07 < giarc> couf, we are talking about common look and feel for docs.fp.o 16:07 * spevack takes a look at the current docs.fp/o 16:07 < couf> giarc: cool, my plan was to try and get the docbook stuff we get as docs to get embeded into the current website layout 16:07 < spevack> yeah, it def needs to be next 16:08 < spevack> fedora.redhat.com called from 2005 and wants its layout back :) 16:08 < giarc> heh 16:08 < couf> basiclly reuse the current build-script for the main site and change it for docbook stuff 16:09 < couf> that said, if you guys have a way better idea, please stop me :) 16:09 < spevack> giarc, stickster, quaid: any of you guys have something to add on this topic? 16:10 < spevack> so should we check in on this next week, then? 16:10 < couf> just to note: it has been mentioned in last FDSCo meeting, so they are on the same page 16:10 * spevack opens up the task list for editing 16:10 * giarc notes I wont be around next week 16:10 < spevack> well, next time you're around then. 16:11 < spevack> so giarc , while you are around, is there anything else on the general look & feel front that you'd like to discuss? 16:11 < JonRob> giarc: could you keep us updated on list? 16:11 * JonRob likes to know *everything* 16:11 < JonRob> *evil laugh* 16:11 -!- TimBurke [i=Tim at unaffiliated/timburke] has left #fedora-websites ["Leaving"] 16:11 < giarc> spevack, nothing now...but i will probably need to ping couf for help building/getting docs sources 16:12 < spevack> ok, good enough. 16:12 < giarc> JonRob, will do 16:12 < spevack> one last round of applause for giarc on the planet work! 16:12 * spevack claps 16:12 < JonRob> woop giarc :) 16:12 * ianweller applauds once more 16:12 * giarc blushes 16:12 * ianweller makes that annoying whistling noise that everyone does at concerts for some reason 16:12 < spevack> heh 16:12 < spevack> alrighty... 16:12 < spevack> let's see what else is on our task list 16:13 < spevack> so we have "common look and feel" 16:13 < spevack> which giarc is the owner of 16:13 < spevack> and "new look and feel" 16:13 < spevack> which jonrob is the owner of 16:13 < spevack> 'sup with that? 16:13 < JonRob> oo boy 16:13 < JonRob> ok - well 16:14 < JonRob> this was following on from mizmo's post to the list about "top 10 things for the website" 16:14 < JonRob> and we were moving along with the idea of usability testing the current website to see where we're going wrong compared to this current list 16:14 * ianweller mentions http://ianweller.org/2008/06/16/usability-testing-at-fudcon.html 16:15 < JonRob> before coming up with new design ideas for a "new look and feel" 16:15 < spevack> yes, i remember all of this 16:15 < spevack> so, are we doing some of that at fudcon? 16:15 < ianweller> i was planning to. 16:15 < spevack> excellent 16:15 < spevack> can you tell us what the general plan is? 16:15 < ianweller> spevack: i think you hinted at that maybe being a good session idea a few meetings ago ;) 16:16 < ianweller> well the general plan is to do some testing with random individuals at fudcon, after going over what we're testing with mizmo and others 16:16 < ianweller> and then reporting our findings at the barcamp session. 16:16 < ianweller> that's what i came up with after waking up today 16:16 < spevack> :) 16:16 < spevack> where will the testing take place? 16:16 < ianweller> haven't thought of that, was hoping you could help with that ;) 16:16 < spevack> well, ok then. 16:17 < spevack> so we need the person who is manning the Fedora Booth to know about it 16:17 < spevack> so that they can recruit volunteers 16:17 < ianweller> agreed 16:17 < spevack> i think we need to bribe folks who do it with some prize 16:17 < spevack> a sticker, a shirt, something 16:17 < spevack> do we have a task list, or exercise, or something people will try to do? 16:17 < ianweller> so you're thinking we should do it at the fedora booth? along with making usb keys and stuff 16:17 < spevack> no, just that the people at the fedora booth know about it 16:18 < ianweller> ok. 16:18 < spevack> but we do it in one of the corners of the hackfest 16:18 < spevack> where there is more space 16:18 < JonRob> spevack: i think...hold on, let me search the archives 'cos i created a wiki page somewhere but can't remember where! 16:18 < spevack> JonRob: the wiki elves recycled it :) 16:18 < ianweller> the mailing list post is where i'm starting from, but i'm gonna come up with a more organized task list later today and tomorrow 16:18 < ianweller> lolwut? which wiki elf is responsible >.> 16:19 < spevack> ianweller: well, if you have a chance to send your thoughts to the list tomorrow that would be great. otherwise, it will give us something to chat about on wednesday night. 16:19 < ianweller> ok 16:20 < ianweller> as mizmo mentioned in her mailing list post, it would make sense to have 4 separate categories based on experience with fedora 16:20 < spevack> link to post please? 16:20 < JonRob> ok, the least intuitive page title ever: 16:20 < JonRob> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/LookFeel 16:20 < ianweller> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00320.html 16:20 < ianweller> JonRob: eew. 16:20 < ianweller> fix that if you could, please ;) 16:21 < JonRob> actually, that page needs revising 'cos it was just a dump from mo's post 16:21 < JonRob> but basically, each of those clearly has an activity linked 16:21 < spevack> I'm updating our task list, changing "new look and feel" to "usability testing" and noting that it is part of the larger "10 things for websites to do" topic 16:21 < ianweller> maybe i can use that page as my whiteboard later tonight 16:21 < JonRob> spevack: cool 16:21 < JonRob> ianweller: would be cool 16:22 < spevack> ok, so anything else we need to discuss on this right now, or can the rest be worked out between now and wed night on list, and then me and ian in person? 16:22 < ianweller> i'm thinking i can work on Websites/LookFeel and then we can discuss later. 16:23 < ianweller> this is an idea that recently returned to my head approxamately two hours ago, so its still in half-baked state 16:23 < spevack> sounds good to me. 16:23 < spevack> hmm, looking at the list of tasks... 16:23 * spevack tries to pick ones we haven't talked about for a while 16:23 < spevack> "Wiki Sponsorship Banners" 16:23 < ianweller> where's the task list? 16:23 < spevack> since I know JonRob is here 16:24 < spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks 16:24 < JonRob> hmm, guilty of letting this one slide! 16:24 < JonRob> i'll catch up with it this week 16:24 < JonRob> thanks for the reminder :) 16:24 < spevack> JonRob: that's ok -- remind me *what* that actually means 16:24 < spevack> this task, that is 16:24 < spevack> i know what catching up on stuff you've forgotten means, that's basically my life :) 16:25 < JonRob> ok - quaid's idea about having sponsorship/ownership of wiki pages 16:25 < spevack> right 16:25 < JonRob> we decided that one useful feature might be to have banners to denote who owns which page 16:25 < spevack> ok... 16:25 < JonRob> or not owns, but you know...sponsors/whatever 16:25 < spevack> so i guess the more interesting question is 16:25 < JonRob> and so i was going to have a chat with the art team about their thoughts on helping us out here 16:25 < JonRob> i think quite a few banners exist already 16:26 < ianweller> oh you mean the {{header}} thing? 16:26 < spevack> what is the current status of this whole "sponsorship/owner" idea? we talked about it a few weeks ago, i know there was some general controversy... does anyone know what is going on there? 16:26 < spevack> is quaid around? maybe stickster knows? 16:26 < ianweller> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Header 16:26 < spevack> ok, so people are supposed to just be adding this to their pages? 16:26 < stickster> rr? 16:27 < spevack> stickster: just read back a bit, jump in if you have anything to say 16:27 < ianweller> if we're talking about using banners at the top of pages to say that this page is sponsored by a particular sub-project/SIG, we're doing that already. 16:27 < spevack> yeah, i've seen those 16:27 < spevack> and i like those -- it makes good sense 16:28 < JonRob> ianweller: cool - but i think we were talking about having every page sponsored (maybe - user pages) 16:28 < JonRob> maybe that's what we're doing? 16:28 < JonRob> but that template looks like what quaid was after 16:28 < spevack> I would phrase my question this way: 16:28 < ianweller> (i'm strongly against having pages sponsored by particular users, for various reasons) 16:28 < spevack> I see that we have templates, and the ability to show which "group" "owns 16:28 < spevack> " a particular page 16:28 < spevack> so 16:28 < spevack> given that 16:28 < spevack> can i remove those items from our task list? 16:28 < ianweller> i think the purpose though was automation 16:29 < spevack> well then... that is an entirely separate task :) 16:29 < JonRob> spevack: yep i think so 16:29 < ianweller> ah, correct. 16:29 * spevack is of the opinion that if it's not on the task list, it doesn't exist! 16:29 < ianweller> lol, agreed 16:29 < JonRob> spevack: i think there's another task about the automation - quaid investigating mediawiki plugins? 16:30 < spevack> ok, I will remove the old "sponsorship" tasks and replace them with a "make sure we can automate the sponsorship header stuff" task 16:30 < spevack> JonRob: yeah, i'll leave that one too 16:30 < ianweller> if we had a newer version of mediawiki, i could definitely write a bot to do it automatically. but that's another task for another time : 16:30 < ianweller> :P ** 16:30 < spevack> we'll talk about that next time quaid is at one of our meetings 16:30 < JonRob> ok 16:30 < ianweller> k 16:30 < spevack> ok, what else? I'll call myself out 16:30 < spevack> spins.fedoraproject.org 16:30 < mmcgrath> They spinnin! 16:30 < spevack> We're going to have a design session/meeting/workshop 16:30 < spevack> about this on Friday morning at 10 AM 16:30 < ianweller> mmcgrath: 8D 16:31 < spevack> Goals: 16:31 < spevack> 1) agree on the 5 top use cases 16:31 < spevack> 2) try to break out a few tasks that people can work on 16:31 < spevack> 3) have a dev version of the new site running somewhere 16:31 < spevack> on a test instance 16:31 < spevack> before the end of fudcon 16:31 < spevack> what other goals should we have? 16:32 < ianweller> get the word out that people have to come up with spins for each version of fedora? i see no fedora 9 spins. 16:32 < spevack> yeah, that's a big problem. 16:32 < spevack> and it's worth pursuing 16:32 < ianweller> is that website basically just the old torrents.fedoraproject.org page? 16:32 < spevack> right now, yeah 16:32 < ianweller> i see fudcon 2007 videos. those aren't spins :P 16:32 < ianweller> ok 16:32 < spevack> that's just there because we don't have anything else 16:33 < mmcgrath> ianweller: actually no, torrents and spins will be different sites. 16:33 < spevack> 4) review mizmo's mockups from like a year ago, which were really good 16:33 < ianweller> mmcgrath: i understand that. 16:33 < mmcgrath> ack :) 16:33 < ianweller> o O 16:33 < ianweller> that's a long time. 16:33 < spevack> 5) if we get to it, is to talk to kanarip about the infrastructure side of producing spins 16:34 < JonRob> wevisor? 16:34 < spevack> that is something the "spins sig" is supposed to be handling, under mandate from the Board, but it has had little progress lately 16:34 < spevack> JonRob: wevisor is yet another idea 16:34 < JonRob> ok - this is a complicated world! 16:34 < spevack> JonRob: ultimately, we have to separate the CREATION of spins from the DISTRIBUTION of spins 16:34 < spevack> we here in Websites land are focused on the distribution 16:34 < spevack> a spin exists -- it doesn't matter how or why -- all that matters to us is that it exists, and it has been Blessed. 16:35 < spevack> how do we distribute it> 16:35 * ianweller fails to see how that makes very much sense 16:35 < spevack> that's our topic. 16:35 < ianweller> oh well. 16:35 < spevack> for spins.fedoraproject.org 16:35 < mmcgrath> Actually I think the FEL got that mockup to an actual html page but never got it converted to a template. 16:35 < spevack> ianweller: what do you mean? 16:35 < ianweller> spevack: never mind, i think i get it now. 16:35 * ianweller needs more sleep at night... 16:35 < spevack> ianweller: well ask if you have a question 16:35 < ianweller> ok 16:36 < spevack> so anyway, my goal for fudcon 16:36 < JonRob> mmcgrath: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/index.html 16:36 < mmcgrath> yep, I think thats the one. 16:36 < spevack> is for us to make progress on all the stuff in Spins Land that takes place *after* the spin has been created, tested, etc 16:36 < spevack> basically 16:36 < spevack> i want us to be able to say "here's your webapp for distributing all the Fedora custom spins" 16:36 < ianweller> ok 16:37 < spevack> "now, where are the spins? get your act together, spin sig?" 16:37 < ianweller> :3 works well for me 16:37 < spevack> any questions/comments? 16:37 < JonRob> sounds like a very sane approach 16:37 < ianweller> should we wait to make the new webapp live until we actually have spins? 16:37 < ianweller> like, sometime around f10 release 16:38 < spevack> ianweller: well, i figure we'll worry about that once we have it working the way we want on a test instance somewhere, with at least the F8 spins and the F9 spins that we do have populated in it. 16:38 < spevack> is that being too simplistic? 16:39 < ianweller> i see that as OK 16:40 < spevack> anyone else have any comments or concerns? 16:40 < spevack> Is there any New Business to discuss? 16:40 < JonRob> nope 16:40 < JonRob> spevack, just quickly 16:40 < JonRob> i noticed in your blog post you wanted to figure out FWN at FUDCon, i.e. automation 16:40 < spevack> yeah 16:41 < JonRob> can i suggest talking to bret mcmillan from rh - i think he's going to be there 16:41 < JonRob> probs at summit 16:41 < spevack> yeah, i know him well, and he and i have talked a bit 16:41 < JonRob> ok cool 16:41 < spevack> I'll also be in raleigh after summit, so we'll have time together 16:41 < JonRob> well he's packaging wordpress mu for our use 16:41 < spevack> yep 16:41 < JonRob> thought i'd let you know 16:41 < JonRob> ah cool :) 16:41 < spevack> I'm hoping he's at summit, and can come to that session 16:41 < JonRob> you guys should be able to make some good progress! 16:41 < spevack> or at least give me an update that i can use in that session 16:42 < spevack> ok, last thing for tonight 16:42 < spevack> The license question that is open. 16:42 < spevack> I will try to talk to spot about this at fudcon 16:42 < spevack> and just get it taken care of 16:42 < spevack> but he'll be very busy, so it might continue to linger 16:43 < JonRob> np - sure it will sort soon enough :) 16:43 < fchiulli> JonRob: What's the status of wordpress mu? 16:44 < JonRob> fchiulli: i believe bret has packages, but is waiting on a security fix to be pushed upstream before putting them in for review 16:45 < fchiulli> JonRob: Thanks. 16:45 < spevack> oh, that's farther along than i thought then 16:45 < spevack> cool 16:45 < JonRob> yeah, he just said upstream are being slow 16:45 < spevack> ok gentlemen, anything else for tonight? 16:45 < JonRob> nope 16:45 * ianweller doesn't know of anything 16:45 < spevack> mmcgrath: anything you want to talk about? 16:45 < mmcgrath> Nope, looking forward to FUDCon next week. 16:45 < spevack> mmcgrath, ianweller: hope you both have safe travel to FUDCon 16:46 < mmcgrath> thanks! 16:46 < ianweller> thanks :) 16:46 < JonRob> yeah - hope you all enjoy it! 16:46 < spevack> and I will see you guys in the next couple days 16:46 < ianweller> ok :) 16:46 < spevack> thanks for coming to the meeting, all 16:46 < spevack> -------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm biased because I think: > > > > 1) The desktop spin of Fedora is GNOME-based. > > 2) The default desktop of Fedora is GNOME. > > 3) The most popular download of Fedora is the x86 Desktop Spin (which, > > from #1, happens to be GNOME-based) > > 4) There are far more maintainers of GNOME involved in Fedora than KDE. > > 5) A beginner choosing the Fedora desktop environment with more > > maintainers and support seems likely to have a better experience than a > > beginner that chooses the desktop with less maintainers and support. > > 6) Overwhelming new users with multiple permutations of Fedora to > > download is probably a bad idea from a usability perspective. > > 7) The get Fedora page has traditionally been too complicated because it > > is so cluttered and the websites team have received many complaints to > > this effect. > > You forgot: > 8) The large majority of our existing documentation and manuals [1] > refers to the GNOME desktop. > > [1] - for example http://docs.fedoraproject.org/desktop-user-guide/ To be fair, that is the first version of the User Guide, and as with many new efforts in code or content, it covered one area (GNOME) well, and didn't others. Mainly this was due to resources; we focused on the default desktop first. Subsequently, the KDE SIG has been very helpful in producing and vetting the User Guide KDE-specific content. Xfce is welcome, as well. This is where the SIG model works well -- someone interested in a particular area of the distro (e.g. KDE) can focus on docs just for that. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide/9 -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The page looks great, so naturally I have to talk about really small stuff, like 2 pixels. :D * More source for feeds - I do like the idea of pulling in the first ... 25 words(?) of the feed * "Ready to use operating system" /* do not capitalize 'operating */ /* system' */ * "Use it, modify it, and distribute it" /* use a comma before the /* final conjunction (and) */ /* in a serial list */ * "Latest free software technology" /* 'Free Software' is not a */ /* proper noun in English. */ * The icon next to "Download Fedora!" looks to my eye as if it needs to move two pixels to the left. It actually looks as if that line is right-justified or centered. If you reduce the font size to super-small, it moves farther right. * The area with the explanation that, "Fedora is a Linux-based operating system ..." bleeds far over to the right gutter. I don't know where we are on fixed-width v. flexible, but this is in between and ... doesn't quite work like that. My preference for this layout would be to have it stop on the right side at the same place as the right-edge of the feeds column. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The page looks great, so naturally I have to talk about really > small stuff, like 2 pixels. :D > > * More source for feeds > - I do like the idea of pulling in the first ... 25 words(?) of the > feed > > * "Ready to use operating system" /* do not capitalize 'operating */ > /* system' */ > > * "Use it, modify it, and distribute it" /* use a comma before the > /* final conjunction (and) */ > /* in a serial list */ > > * "Latest free software technology" /* 'Free Software' is not a */ > /* proper noun in English. */ > > * The icon next to "Download Fedora!" looks to my eye as if it needs to > move two pixels to the left. It actually looks as if that line is > right-justified or centered. If you reduce the font size to > super-small, it moves farther right. > > * The area with the explanation that, "Fedora is a Linux-based operating > system ..." bleeds far over to the right gutter. I don't know where we > are on fixed-width v. flexible, but this is in between and ... doesn't > quite work like that. My preference for this layout would be to have it > stop on the right side at the same place as the right-edge of the feeds > column. I was thinking about removing that section and actually replace the Spins column with the Fedora overview paragraph (some changes in the order of the columns would be required) so we would end up with just the big banner and three columns which hopefully will avoid the fixed-width vs flexible issue. -- Juan Camilo Prada From manas_r42 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 03:39:44 2008 From: manas_r42 at yahoo.com (manas kamal ray chaudhuri) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <660061.82296.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Please unsubscribe mkraychaudhuri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2008-06-17 14:00 UTC' Affected Services: Websites Database Unaffected Services: Websites CVS / Source Control Buildsystem Database DNS Mail Torrent Hosted Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/634 Reason for Outage: Hardware issue. Current suspect is memory. We reverted our migration from this weekend and are running on the older hardware again. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. From katzj at redhat.com Tue Jun 17 16:13:44 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:13:44 -0400 Subject: Get Help page should link to bugzilla? Message-ID: <1213719224.12817.46.camel@aglarond.local> The get help page linked from the front page seems to be missing the obvious link on reporting problems. While the support mechanisms there are all valid, if someone has a real problem, then bugzilla really is the right place for them to go. Jeremy From manas_r42 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 00:54:57 2008 From: manas_r42 at yahoo.com (manas kamal ray chaudhuri) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <337404.40115.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME IMMEDIATELY FROM YOUR MAILING LIST mkraychaudhuri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue Jun 17 12:47:39 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. 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    Open Publication works may be reproduced and distributed in @@ -58,7 +58,7 @@

  2. -COPYRIGHT

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    The copyright to each Open Publication is owned by its author(s) or designee. @@ -66,7 +66,7 @@

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    The following license terms apply to all Open Publication works, unless otherwise explicitly stated in the document. @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@

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    +REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS

    All modified versions of documents covered by this license, including translations, anthologies, compilations and partial @@ -126,7 +126,7 @@

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    +GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

    In addition to the requirements of this license, it is requested from and strongly recommended of redistributors that: @@ -155,7 +155,7 @@

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    - 現在の FAS2 に合うように - アカウントと登録の章を更新しました。指摘されたバグに対処する小さな修正を他の章に行いました。 + Updated Accounts and Subscriptions chapter to conform the + current FAS2. Some minor changes made to other chapters along + with bugs filed.

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    1. 次のコマンドを入力します:

      -
      ssh-keygen -t dsa
      -

      保存先はデフォルトの場所のままにして (~/.ssh/id_dsa)、 パスフレーズを入力します。

      +
      ssh-keygen -t rsa
      +

      + Accept the default location + (~/.ssh/id_rsa) and enter a passphrase. +

      @@ -62,9 +65,13 @@

    2. キーと .ssh ディレクトリーのパーミッションを変更します:

      -
      chmod 700 ~/.ssh chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_dsa chmod 644 ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub
      -
      3. -

    3. このパブリックキー (~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub) を 項2.4. 「アカウントの適用」 に書かれている Fedora アカウントの作成で使います。

      4. +
      chmod 700 ~/.ssh
+chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_rsa
+chmod 644 ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
      + +

    4. + This public key (~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub) will be used for your Fedora account creation described in 項2.4. 「アカウントの適用」. +

      5. From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue Jun 17 12:47:39 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:47:39 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it generated-index.php, 1.5, 1.6 index.php, 1.14, 1.15 legalnotice-opl.php, 1.3, 1.4 rv-revhistory.php, 1.14, 1.15 sn_accounts.php, 1.14, 1.15 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.14, 1.15 sn_translating_software.php, 1.14, 1.15 Message-ID: <200806171247.m5HCldjB031531@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31431/it Modified Files: generated-index.php index.php legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php sn_translating_software.php Log Message: Publish newest translations for TQSG: it, ja, nl Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.14 retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -r1.14 -r1.15 --- index.php 3 Mar 2008 17:52:06 -0000 1.14 +++ index.php 17 Jun 2008 12:47:09 -0000 1.15 @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@ - +

      Diego Búrigo Zacarão

      -

      Version 0.4 (2008-03-03)

      +

      Version 0.5 (2008-04-18)

      Copyright © 2005, 2006, 2007 Red Hat, Inc. ed altri

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      1. Introduzione
      -
      2. Accounts e sottoscrizioni
      +
      2. Account e sottoscrizioni
      2.1. Sottoscrivere la mailing list
      2.2. Creazione di una chiave SSH
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      3. Tradurre il software
      -
      3.1. Struttura dei files
      +
      3.1. Struttura dei file
      3.2. Ottenere e tradurre i moduli
      3.3. Invio dei moduli
      3.4. Aggiungere un nuovo file .po
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      4. Tradurre la documentazione
      4.1. Cominciamo
      -
      4.2. Creare i files comuni
      +
      4.2. Creare i file comuni
      4.3. Usare le applicazioni per la traduzione
      4.4. Cosa tradurre
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      1. Introduzione

      -

      Questa guida è un veloce, semplice, insieme di istruzioni passo-passo per tradurre software e documenti del Fedora Project. Se si è interessati nel comprendere meglio il processo di traduzione impiegato, si faccia riferimento alla guida per la traduzione o al manuale dello specifico strumento di traduzione.

      +

      Questa guida è un insieme di istruzioni passo-passo veloce e semplice, per tradurre software e documenti del Fedora Project. Se si è interessati nel comprendere meglio il processo di traduzione impiegato, si faccia riferimento alla guida per la traduzione o al manuale dello specifico strumento di traduzione.

      +

      Maggiori informazioni possono essere trovate nelle FAQ, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/FAQ.

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      - +
      [注意]
          2. Accounts e sottoscrizioni 2. Account e sottoscrizioni
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        +LICENSE OPTIONS

        The author(s) and/or publisher of an Open Publication-licensed document may elect certain options by appending language to the Index: rv-revhistory.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/rv-revhistory.php,v retrieving revision 1.14 retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -r1.14 -r1.15 --- rv-revhistory.php 3 Mar 2008 17:52:06 -0000 1.14 +++ rv-revhistory.php 17 Jun 2008 12:47:09 -0000 1.15 @@ -17,6 +17,28 @@

        + + + + + + + + + + + + @@ -85,7 +107,7 @@ @@ -203,7 +225,7 @@ Index: sn_accounts.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/sn_accounts.php,v retrieving revision 1.14 retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -r1.14 -r1.15 --- sn_accounts.php 3 Mar 2008 17:52:06 -0000 1.14 +++ sn_accounts.php 17 Jun 2008 12:47:09 -0000 1.15 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ -2. Accounts e sottoscrizioni +2. Account e sottoscrizioni @@ -22,7 +22,7 @@
        Diario delle Revisioni
        Revisione 0.52008-04-18NM
        +

        + Updated Accounts and Subscriptions chapter to conform the + current FAS2. Some minor changes made to other chapters along + with bugs filed. +

        +
        Revisione 0.4.12008-03-19NM
        +

        + Sostituiti i link nella sezione 3.2. +

        +
        Revisione 0.4 2008-03-03 DG

        - Spezzato il file principale in files multipli basati sui + Spezzato il file principale in file multipli basati sui capitoli

        Migliorata la procedura di traduzione dei documenti per - includere le traduzioni dei files comuni + includere le traduzioni dei file comuni

        - + @@ -34,7 +34,7 @@
        -

        2. Accounts e sottoscrizioni

        +

        2. Account e sottoscrizioni

        Per diventare un Traduttore Fedora, si deve aderire ad accounts e sottoscrizioni come descritto in questo capitolo. Se si hanno domande, postarle sulla fedora-trans-list, o chiedere aiuto via Internet Relay Chat, oIRC, su irc.freenode.org sul canale #fedora-l10n.

        2.1. Sottoscrivere la mailing list

        @@ -50,8 +50,8 @@

        1. Inserire il seguente comando:

          -
          ssh-keygen -t dsa
          -

          Accettare la locazione predefinita (~/.ssh/id_dsa) ed immettere una passphrase.

          +
          ssh-keygen -t rsa
          +

          Accettare la locazione predefinita (~/.ssh/id_rsa) ed immettere una passphrase.

        2. Accounts e sottoscrizioni
        2. Account e sottoscrizioni
        Indietro 
        @@ -62,9 +62,9 @@

      7. Cambiare i permessi alla chiave ed alla directory .ssh:

        -
        chmod 700 ~/.ssh chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_dsa chmod 644 ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub
        +
        chmod 700 ~/.ssh chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_rsa chmod 644 ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
        8. -

      8. Copiare ed incollare la chiave SSH nello spazio fornito per poter completare la sottoscrizione all'account.

        9. +

      9. Questa chiave pubblica (~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub) verrà usata per la creazione dell'account Fedora descritto in Sezione 2.4, «Richiedere un account».

        10. @@ -94,43 +94,47 @@

        Esportare la propria chiave pubblica su un server pubblico affinchè anche altri possano trovarla, con il seguente comando, sostituire il proprio ID chiave:

        gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --send-keys GPGKEYID
        +

      10. Questo ID chiave GPG sarà usato per la creazione dell'account Fedora descritto in Sezione 2.4, «Richiedere un account».

        11. 2.4. Richiedere un account

          -

        1. Per richiedere un account Fedora, visitare https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ e selezionare Apply for a new account.

          2. -

        2. Riempire il form e scegliere una password per l'account Fedora. Immettere le informazioni sull'ID chiave GPG e la chiave SSH. Nel campo Comments, scrivere la lingua su cui si è pianificato di lavorare.

          3. +

        3. Per richiedere un account Fedora, visitare https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ e selezionare Nuovo account.

          4. +

        4. Compilate i campi Username, Nome completo ed Email, e cliccare su Iscriviti!. La password verrà inviata via email all'indirizzo di posta.

          5. +

        5. Tornare indietro https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ ed accedere con la propria password. Verrà mostrata la pagina di benvenuto, che vi ricorderà che la CLA non è completa e che non è stata inviata alcuna chiave SSH.

          6. +

        6. Per inviare la chiave pubblica SSH ed l'ID chiave GPG, cliccare su Il mio account o andare su https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit.

          7. +

        7. Nella pagina di Modifica account (user_name), immettere il proprio ID chiave GPG nel campo ID chiave GPG:. Per la chiave pubblica SSH, cliccare sul bottone Sfoglia... che si trova a fianco del campo Public SSH Key: e specifichare la propria chiave SSH.

          8. +

        8. Anche i campi Numero telefono ed Indirizzo postale sono necessari per la firma della CLA. Queste informazioni NON sono accessibili ad altri che all'amministratore del gruppo. Fare riferimento alla Fedora Privacy Policy su http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/PrivacyPolicy.

          9. +

        9. Gli altri campi saranno mostrati a qualsiasi altro membro, visitando la pagina di visualizzazione utente.

          10. +

        10. Ora fare click sul tasto Salva! che si trova alla fine di questa pagina per salvare le informazioni.

        2.5. Firmare la CLA

        Si deve completare la Contributors License Agreement, o CLA.

          -

        1. Visitare https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/send-cla.cgi. Autenticarsi usando il proprio username e password dal processo precedente.

          2. -

        2. Attendere la ricezione di un email con un allegato. L'allegato è un accordo che si deve firmare e restituire. Salvare l'allegato sul Desktop.

          3. -

        3. Doppio-cliccare il file sul Desktop per aprirlo con un editor. Aggiungere la frase "I agree" ed il proprio nome completo.

          4. -
        4. -

          Firmare digitalmente il file di testo usando la propria chiave GPG con il seguente comando, fornendo la password quando richiestta:

          -
          gpg -a --sign fedora-icla-{username}.txt
          -

          In quel momento comparirà un nuovo file sul desktop che termina per .asc. Questo file è la versione firmata della CLA.

          -
          5. -

        5. Aprire il client email e rispondere alla lettera della CLA. Allegare il file firmato che termina con .asc, e spedire l'email.

          6. +

        6. Visitare https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ ed autenticarsi usando il proprio username e password ottenuti dal processo precedente.

          7. +

        7. Nella pagina di benvenuto, cliccare completa la CLA o andare su https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit.

          8. +

        8. Se le informazioni relative al numero di telefono ed all'indirizzo postale non sono ancora state fornite, ricomparirà la pagina Modifica account (user_name). Altrimenti verrà mostrata la pagina del Fedora Contributor License Agreement. Leggere con attenzione l'accordo di licenza e cliccare su Sono daccordo se siete lieti di farlo.

          9. +

        9. Comparirà la pagina user-view comparirà e mostrerà il campo CLA: come CLA completata.

        2.6. Unirsi al gruppo cvsl10n

          -

        1. Visitare https://admin.fedora.redhat.com/accounts/userbox.cgi?_edit=1. Selezionare Add new membership alla fine della pagina. Nel campo Groupname, inserire cvsl10n e selezionare Add.

          2. -

        2. Un amministratore verrà notificato della tua partecipazione, e ti offrirà di sponsorizzarti. Per questo passaggio potrebbero volerci da un ora a un po di giorni.

          3. +

        3. Nella pagina user-view, fare click sul link Aderisci ad un nuovo gruppo sulla barra laterale a sinistra. Se si desidera compiere questo passo successivamente, la pagina user-view può essere raggiunta mediante https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/view/user_name.

          4. +

        4. Cliccando la lettera C dell'alfabeto, verrà mostrato l'elenco dei gruppi che cominciano per 'c'.

          5. +

        5. Trovare il nome del gruppo cvsl10n nell'elenco e cliccare Richiedi.

          6. +

        6. Un amministratore verrà notificato della tua partecipazione, e si offrirà  di sponsorizzarti. Per questo passaggio potrebbero volerci da un ora a un po di giorni. La notifica di appartenenza al gruppo verrà spedita per email una volta sponsorizzati.

        [Attenzione]
        - +
        [Attenzione] Attenzione

        I restanti passi aiuteranno nella verifica dell'accesso e delle grant dei privilegi a tutte le infrastrutture Fedora di cui si potrà aver necessità in futuro. I manutentori dei linguaggi e le persone che iniziano nuovi linguaggi dovranno seguirli. Nonostante essi siano opzionali per i traduttori, ogniuno è incoraggiato a seguirli.

        I restanti passi aiuteranno nella verifica dell'accesso e delle grant dei privilegi a tutte le infrastrutture Fedora di cui si potrà aver bisogno in futuro. I manutentori dei linguaggi e le persone che iniziano nuovi linguaggi dovranno seguirli. Nonostante essi siano opzionali per i traduttori, ognuno è incoraggiato a seguirli.

    @@ -141,7 +145,7 @@ 
    su -c 'yum install cvs'
  7. -

    Eseguire il checkout di alcuni files PO con il seguente comando, sostituire l'username e fornire la propria passphrase della chiave SSH quando richiesto:

    +

    Eseguire il checkout di alcuni file PO con il seguente comando, sostituire l'username e fornire la propria passphrase della chiave SSH quando richiesto:

    export CVSROOT=:ext:username@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/l10n cvs co web ls web/flpweb/po
@@ -149,8 +153,8 @@

2.8. Creare un account wiki

    -

  1. Visitare http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences/. Per username, scegliere un nome tipo 'NomeCognome' e selezionare Create Profile.

  2. Un utente wiki corrente può dare a sua volta l'accesso per editare la wiki. Contattare qualcuno dell'Edit Group su http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup/, o aggiungere il proprio nome alla EditGroupQueue su http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue/, e qualcuno in breve tempo fornirà l'accesso desiderato.

    3. +

  3. Una volta aggiunti, visitare http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences/ e creare una pagina di profilo. Per username, scegliere un nome tipo 'NomeCognome' e selezionare Create Profile.

  4. Se si comincia un nuovo linguaggio, o si vuole diventare il manutentore di uno, aggiungere le proprie informazioni alla pagina L10N/Teams su http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/.

@@ -180,7 +184,7 @@

  • Un homeapge personale sulla wiki

  • Una presentazione di se spedita alla mailing list

    • -

    A questo punto ci si potrà sedere per godersi quanto ottenuto. Ora si è pienamente riconosciuti come membri della comunità Fedora, capaci di firmare digitalmente documenti ed emails, inviare contributi ai nostri CVS, publicare contenuti sulla wiki, segnalare errori, seguire le discussioni dei nostri gruppi e partecipare agli altri teams Fedora.

    +

    A questo punto ci si potrà sedere per godersi quanto ottenuto. Ora si è pienamente riconosciuti come membri della comunità Fedora, capaci di firmare digitalmente documenti ed email, inviare contributi ai nostri CVS, publicare contenuti sulla wiki, segnalare errori, seguire le discussioni dei nostri gruppi e partecipare agli altri team Fedora.

    Index: sn_translating_docs.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/sn_translating_docs.php,v retrieving revision 1.14 retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -r1.14 -r1.15 --- sn_translating_docs.php 3 Mar 2008 17:52:06 -0000 1.14 +++ sn_translating_docs.php 17 Jun 2008 12:47:09 -0000 1.15 @@ -35,33 +35,45 @@

    4. Tradurre la documentazione

    -

    Per tradurre la documentazione Fedora, si deve diventare un membro del gruppo cvsl10n. Per maggiori informazioni sugli account e le sottoscrizioni, fare riferimento a Sezione 2, «Accounts e sottoscrizioni».

    -

    Per tradurre la documentazione, si dovrà avere un sistema Fedora 5 o superiore con i seguenti pacchetti installati:

    +

    Per tradurre la documentazione Fedora, si deve diventare un membro del gruppo cvsl10n. Per maggiori informazioni sugli account e le sottoscrizioni, fare riferimento a Sezione 2, «Account e sottoscrizioni».

    +

    Per tradurre la documentazione, si dovrà  avere un sistema Fedora 5 o superiore con i seguenti pacchetti installati:

    • gnome-doc-utils

    • xmlto

    • make

      • +

    • w3m

    -

    Il pacchetto gnome-doc-utils fornisce il comando xml2po, e non richiede l'installazione dell'ambiente desktop GNOME. I pacchetti xmlto e make contengono strumenti necessari alla verifica della compilazione e delle traduzioni.

    +

    Il pacchetto gnome-doc-utils fornisce il comando xml2po, e non richiede l'installazione dell'ambiente desktop GNOME. I pacchetti xmlto, make e w3m contengono strumenti necessari alla verifica della compilazione e delle traduzioni.

    Per installare questi pacchetti, usare il seguente comando:

    -
    su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make'
    +
    su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make w3m'

    4.1. Cominciamo

    -

    La documentazione Fedora è conservata in un repositorio CVS sotto la directory docs/. Per elencare i moduli disponibili, eseguire i seguenti comandi:

    +

    La documentazione Fedora è conservata in un repositorio CVS sotto la cartella docs/. Per elencare i moduli disponibili, eseguire i seguenti comandi (dove username è sostituito dal proprio username account Fedora):

    export CVSROOT=:ext:username@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
 cvs co -c

    Per scaricare un modulo da tradurre, elencare i moduli correnti nel repositorio quindi eseguire il check out di quel modulo. Si deve anche eseguire il check out del modulo docs-common per lavorare con alcuni moduli.

    -
    -      cvs co release-notes/
-
    -

    Alcuni moduli sono specifici della versione, vuol dire che hanno una branch, o sottodirectory, per ciascuna versione di Fedora:

    +
    cvs co release-notes docs-common
    +

    Alcuni moduli sono specifici della versione, vuol dire che hanno una branch, o sottocartella, per ciascuna versione di Fedora:

    ls release-notes/
 CVS  F-7  FC-5  FC-6  FC3  FC4  devel

    La branca devel/ è utilizzata per le imminenti versioni di Fedora. Spesso i traduttori lavorano su questa branca, e portano i cambiamenti sulle branche precedenti se necessario.

    +
    + + + + + +
    [Suggerimento]Come eseguire il minimo prelievo
    +

    Un altro metodo è quello di utilizzare un modulo alias. Usando l'alias release-notes-versione verrà  prelevata solo la versione specificata. Questo metodo porta la sottocartella prescelta ed il modulo docs-common in una directory, release-notes-versione. Per esempio, per ottenere la sola versione -devel, usare questo comando:

    +
    cvs co release-notes-devel
    +

    Ogni cosa necessaria alla compilazione del documento è ora nella directory release-notes-devel/:

    +
    ls release-notes-devel
+CVS  docs-common  release-notes
    +
    -

    4.2. Creare i files comuni

    -

    Se si sta creando la primissima traduzione per una lingua, si dovrà prima tradurre alcuni files comuni usati in tutti i documenti della lingua. I files comuni si trovano in docs-common/common/.

    +

    4.2. Creare i file comuni

    +

    Se si sta creando la primissima traduzione per una lingua, si dovrà prima tradurre alcuni file comuni usati in tutti i documenti della lingua. I file comuni si trovano in docs-common/common/.

    @@ -73,7 +85,7 @@

    1. Leggere il file README.txt in docs-common/common/entities e seguire le indicazioni per creare le nuove entità.

    2. -

      Una volta create le entità comuni per la lingua ed eseguito il commit dei files al CVS, creare i files di lingua per le note legali:

      +

      Una volta create le entità comuni per la lingua ed eseguito il commit dei file al CVS, creare i file di lingua per le note legali:

      cd docs-common/common/
 cp legalnotice-opl-en_US.xml legalnotice-opl-pt_BR.xml
 cp legalnotice-relnotes-en_US.xml legalnotice-relnotes-pt_BR.xml	
@@ -111,7 +123,7 @@

    4.3. Usare le applicazioni per la traduzione

    -

    La directory po/ contiene i files .po usati per tradurre i contenuti. Contiene anche un file .pot, o PO template, che è utilizzato per creare nuovi files .po se necessario.

    +

    La directory po/ contiene i file .po usati per tradurre i contenuti. Contiene anche un file .pot, o PO template, che è utilizzato per creare nuovi file .po se necessario.

    Se la directory po/ non esiste, è possibile crearla assieme al file template per la traduzione con i seguenti comandi:

    mkdir po
 cvs add po/
@@ -137,12 +149,16 @@
 
  • 
 
    Cambiare la directory
    
 
    In un terminale, entrare nella directory del documento che si vuole tradurre:
    
-
    cd ~/docs/example-tutorial
    
+
    cd ~/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/
    
 
    • 
 
  • 
 
    Aggiunta della lingua all'elenco
    
 
    Per aggiungere la propria localizzazione, si dovrà trovare e cambiare l'appropriato elenco di località. Alcuni documenti stanno usando il file po/LINGUAS, come standardizzato nel progetto GNOME, per tracciare le localizzazioni. Alcuni documenti non sono ancora stati aggiornati a questo standard. Se si trova che il modulo che si sta traducendo non è stato aggiornato, si notifichi il Fedora Documentation Project o si invii una segnalazione d'errore usando Bugzilla.
    
-
    Nel file po/LINGUAS, aggiungere il codice della lingua tradotta all'elenco. Mantenere la lista in ordine alfabetico.
    
+
    Nel file po/LINGUAS, aggiungere il codice della lingua tradotta all'elenco, utilizzando il proprio editor preferito. Ad esempio,
    
+
    vi po/LINGUAS
    
+
    Premere 'a' per modificare ed aggiungere il codice di linguaggio. Una volta aggiunto, salvarlo ed uscire dall'editor.
    
+
    Si prega di lasciare questo elenco in ordine alfabetico. 
+	  
    
 
    • 
 
  • 
 
    Creare il file PO
    
@@ -158,7 +174,7 @@
 
    Controllare l'integrità
    
 
    Prima di inviare i cambiamenti, controllare l'integrità dell'XML con il seguente comando. Questo assicura una corretta compilazione a tutti gli utenti.
    
 
    make html-pt_BR
    
-
    E' possibile leggere i files HTML risultanti con un navigatore Web.
    
+
    E' possibile leggere i risultanti file HTML con un navigatore Web. Se non viene creato alcun HTML, si potranno trovare i messaggi(o) d'errore nell'output. Si prega di risolverli prima di eseguire il commit.
    • [Nota]
    @@ -169,7 +185,7 @@

  • Eseguire il commit del lavoro

    -

    Quando si è terminata la traduzione, eseguire il commit del file .po. Si noterà la percentuale di completamento od alcuni altri utili messaggi durante il commit.

    +

    Prima di eseguire il commit del file .po. si deve essere sempre sicuri che l'HTML sia generato con successo. Si potranno osservare la percentuale di completamento od altri utili messaggi al momento del commit.

    cvs ci -m 'Translating... 400/10/126' po/pt_BR.po
    • Index: sn_translating_software.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/sn_translating_software.php,v retrieving revision 1.14 retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -r1.14 -r1.15 --- sn_translating_software.php 3 Mar 2008 17:52:06 -0000 1.14 +++ sn_translating_software.php 17 Jun 2008 12:47:09 -0000 1.15 @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ - + @@ -35,30 +35,30 @@

    3. Tradurre il software

    -

    La parte traducibile di un pacchetto software è disponibile in uno o più file po. Questi files sono mantenuti in uno dei numerosi Version Control System (VCSs) dipendenti dal progetto, come CVS, Subversion, Mercurial e git. Questi potrebbero essere ospitati sul server fedoraproject.org o altri sistemi.

    -

    Questo capitolo spiega come tradurre i moduli ospitati su fedoraproject.org. I traduttori dovranno lavorare su due interfacce, una per ottenere i moduli e l'altra per eseguire il commit dei moduli. Prima di cominciare, si dovranno preparare le directory che dovranno contenere i files po.

    +

    La parte traducibile di un pacchetto software è disponibile in uno o più file po. Questi file sono mantenuti in uno dei numerosi Version Control System (VCSs) dipendenti dal progetto, come CVS, Subversion, Mercurial e git. Questi potrebbero essere ospitati sul server fedoraproject.org o altri sistemi.

    +

    Questo capitolo spiega come tradurre i moduli ospitati su fedoraproject.org. I traduttori dovranno lavorare su due interfacce, una per ottenere i moduli e l'altra per eseguire il commit dei moduli. Prima di cominciare, si dovranno preparare le directory che dovranno contenere i file po.

    -

    3.1. Struttura dei files

    -

    Per sapere quali moduli sono traducibili, si visiti l'elenco dei moduli su https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/.

    +

    3.1. Struttura dei file

    +

    Per sapere quali moduli sono traducibili, visitare l'elenco dei moduli su https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/.

    Prima di scaricare qualsiasi file, si prepari la struttura necessaria a contenerli. La struttura descritta più avanti è solo un esempio, ed è possibile formarne una differente. Per esempio, se si vuole scaricare il modulo comps per la traduzione, creare le seguenti directory.

    mkdir -p ~/myproject/comps/
    -

    Successivamente per lavorare su un altro modulo, creare una directory con il nome del modulo sotto la directory genitore tipo la myproject.

    +

    Successivamente per lavorare su un altro modulo, creare una directory con il nome del modulo sotto la directory genitore come ad esempio ~/myproject/system-config-printer/.

    3.2. Ottenere e tradurre i moduli

    -

    Ora che si è preparata la struttura della directory, è possibile scaricare un file da tradurre.

    +

    Ora, una volta preparata la struttura delle directory, è possibile eseguire il download di un file da tradurre. Si dovrà  comunicare con gli altri traduttori del proprio team di linguaggio per evitare conflitti. Se non si è sicuri, si prega di contattare il coordinatore della lingua.

      -

    1. Visitare http://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/ e selezionare il modulo prescelto. L'interfaccia ci redirezionerà alla pagina di quel modulo, tipo http://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/comps/.

      2. -

    2. Scorrendo la pagina, si vedrà una tabella con tutti i files po disponibili. All'inizio dell'elenco apparirà il file pot. Usare l'icona verde di download vicina ad ogni linguaggio per scaricare il file nella directory creata nella sezione precedente.

      3. +

    3. Visitare la pagina del proprio linguaggio come ad esempio http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/ e selezionare una versione su cui lavorare. L'interfaccia ci redirezionerà alla pagina di quella versione, come ad esempio http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/fedora-9/.

      4. +

    4. Scorrere la pagina, per trovare la tabella con tutti i moduli disponibili per la versione. Usare l'icona verde di download vicina ad ogni modulo per scaricare il file po nella directory creata nella sezione precedente.

    5. -

      Poiché il nome del file con cui eseguire il commit deve seguire il nome convenzionale di lang.po, cambiare il nome del file scaricato. Il seguente esempio usa il linguaggio giapponese per il file po:

      +

      Poiché il nome del file con cui eseguire il commit deve seguire il nome convenzionale di lang.po, cambiare il nome del file scaricato. Il seguente esempio usa il linguaggio Giapponese per il file po:

      ls ~/myproject/comps/
 comps.HEAD.ja.po
 mv ~/myproject/comps/comps.HEAD.ja.po ja.po 
 ls ~/myproject/comps/
 ja.po
      6. -

    6. Ora il file è pronto per la traduzione. Traducete il file po per il vostro linguaggio in un po Editor come KBabel o gtranslator.

      7. +

    7. Ora il file è pronto per la traduzione. Tradurre il file po per il vostro linguaggio in un po Editor come KBabel o gtranslator.

    8. Controllare l'integrità del file prima di inviarlo.

      msgfmt -cvo /dev/null ja.po
      @@ -74,20 +74,20 @@

    3.3. Invio dei moduli

    -

    Una volta terminato il lavoro di traduzione, il file può essere inviato da un interfaccia separata chiamata Transifex. E' possibile trovare informazioni dettagliate su questo strumento web su https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit..

    +

    Una volta terminato il lavoro di traduzione, il file può essere inviato da un interfaccia separata chiamata Transifex. E' possibile trovare informazioni dettagliate su questo strumento web su https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit.

    1. Visitare https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit e cliccare il link Jump to Modules! per andare alla pagina dei Modules and repositories. Questa pagina mostra i moduli dei quali è possibile inviare le modifiche. Trovare il modulo da inviare nell'elenco e cliccarlo per visitare la pagina di Submit per quel modulo.

    2. Login

      -

      In fondo alla pagina di Submit, selezionare Authenticate as a translator per visitare la pagina di Login. Autenticarsi con l'username e la password del Fedora Account System. Si verrà quindi riportati alla pagina di Submit dopo un login riuscito.

      +

      In fondo alla pagina di Submit, selezionare Authenticate as a translator per visitare la pagina di Login. Autenticarsi con l'username e la password del Fedora Account System. Si verrà  quindi riportati alla pagina di Submit dopo un login riuscito.

    3. Invio

      -

      Nella sezione denominata Local file, cliccare il bottone browse per localizzare il file tradotto.

      +

      Nella sezione denominata Local file, selezionare il tasto browse per localizzare il file tradotto.

      Nella sezione denominata Destination file, cliccare il campo del menu a tendina Overwrite an existing file: per selezionare il linguaggio.

      Nella sezione denominata Commit message, immettere un commento a testo libero per descrivere il lavoro svolto.

      -

      Selezionando il bottone Preview, si arriverà alla pagina Preview submission. Controllare la sezione Differences per verificare i cambiamenti e cliccare il bottone Submit.

      -

      La pagina Submit apparirà e mostrerà il messaggio Your submission was committed successfully. Se si riceverà un messaggio d'errore o un qualsiasi messaggio diverso da questo, lo si invii alla mailing list del Fedora Translation Project affinché possa esserne rintracciata la causa.

      +

      Selezionando il tasto Preview, si arriverà alla pagina Preview submission. Controllare la sezione Differences per verificare i cambiamenti e cliccare il bottone Submit.

      +

      La pagina Submit apparirà e mostrerà il messaggio Your submission was committed successfully. Se si riceverà un messaggio d'errore o un qualsiasi messaggio diverso da questo, inviarlo alla mailing list del Fedora Translation Project affinché possa esserne rintracciata la causa.

    @@ -113,21 +113,26 @@

    Se si vuole verificare la traduzione nel software, seguire i seguenti passi:

    1. -

      Entrare nella directory del pacchetto che si vuole verificare:

      -
      cd ~/myproject/package_name
      +

      Entrare nella directory del pacchetto che si vuole verificare. Ad esempio,

      +
      cd ~/myproject/system-config-printer/
    2. -

      Convertire il file .po in file .mo con msgfmt:

      -
      msgfmt lang.po
      +

      Convertire il file .po in file .mo con msgfmt con l'opzione -o:

      +
      msgfmt -o system-config-printer.mo it.po
    3. -

      Sovrascrivere il file .mo esistente in /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/. Ma prima, fare un back up del file esistente:

      -
      cp /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/package_name.mo package_name.mo-backup
-mv package_name.mo /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/
      +

      Come utente root, sovrascrivere il file .mo esistente in /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/.

      +

      Ma prima, eseguire un back up del file esistente:

      +
      su -
      +
      cp /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/system-config-printer.mo system-config-printer.mo-backup
      +

      Ora spostare il file convertito per la verifica di leggibilità.

      +
      mv system-config-printer.mo /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/
      +

      Uscire dall'utente root.

      +
      exit

    4. Analizzare il pacchetto con le stringhe tradotte come parte dell'applicazione:

      -
      LANG=langpackage_command
      +
      LANG=it_IT.UTF-8system-config-printer

    L'applicazione relativa al pacchetto tradotto verrà eseguita con le stringhe tradotte.

    @@ -144,7 +149,7 @@
    - + From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue Jun 17 12:47:40 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:47:40 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl generated-index.php, 1.2, 1.3 index.php, 1.6, 1.7 legalnotice-opl.php, 1.3, 1.4 rv-revhistory.php, 1.6, 1.7 sn_accounts.php, 1.6, 1.7 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.6, 1.7 sn_translating_software.php, 1.6, 1.7 Message-ID: <200806171247.m5HClejP031549@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31431/nl Modified Files: generated-index.php index.php legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php sn_translating_software.php Log Message: Publish newest translations for TQSG: it, ja, nl Index: legalnotice-opl.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl/legalnotice-opl.php,v retrieving revision 1.3 retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4 --- legalnotice-opl.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.3 +++ legalnotice-opl.php 17 Jun 2008 12:47:10 -0000 1.4 @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@

    1. -REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED +REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED VERSIONS

      Open Publication works may be reproduced and distributed in @@ -58,7 +58,7 @@

    2. -COPYRIGHT

      +COPYRIGHT

      The copyright to each Open Publication is owned by its author(s) or designee. @@ -66,7 +66,7 @@

    3. -SCOPE OF LICENSE

      +SCOPE OF LICENSE

      The following license terms apply to all Open Publication works, unless otherwise explicitly stated in the document. @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@

    4. -REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS

      +REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS

      All modified versions of documents covered by this license, including translations, anthologies, compilations and partial @@ -126,7 +126,7 @@

    5. -GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

      +GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

      In addition to the requirements of this license, it is requested from and strongly recommended of redistributors that: @@ -155,7 +155,7 @@

    6. -LICENSE OPTIONS

      +LICENSE OPTIONS

      The author(s) and/or publisher of an Open Publication-licensed document may elect certain options by appending language to the Index: rv-revhistory.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl/rv-revhistory.php,v retrieving revision 1.6 retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.6 -r1.7 --- rv-revhistory.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.6 +++ rv-revhistory.php 17 Jun 2008 12:47:10 -0000 1.7 @@ -23,9 +23,9 @@

    Index: sn_accounts.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl/sn_accounts.php,v retrieving revision 1.6 retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.6 -r1.7 --- sn_accounts.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.6 +++ sn_accounts.php 17 Jun 2008 12:47:10 -0000 1.7 @@ -50,8 +50,8 @@

    1. Voer het volgende commando uit:

      -
      ssh-keygen -t dsa
      -

      Accepteer de standaard locatie (~/.ssh/id_dsa) en geef een wachtwoord op.

      +
      ssh-keygen -t rsa
      +

      Accepteer de standaard locatie (~/.ssh/id_rsa) en geef een wachtwoord op.

    [Importante]
    2. Accounts e sottoscrizioni 2. Account e sottoscrizioni  Partenza  4. Tradurre la documentazione

    - Accounts en Abonnementen hoofdstuk aangepast conform de - huidige FAS2. Een paarkleine veranderingen gemaakt in andere - hoofdstukken voor gerapporteerde fouten. + Updated Accounts and Subscriptions chapter to conform the + current FAS2. Some minor changes made to other chapters along + with bugs filed.

    @@ -63,10 +63,10 @@

  • Verander de permissies van je sleutel en van de .ssh map:

    chmod 700 ~/.ssh
-chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_dsa
-chmod 644·~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub
    +chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_rsa +chmod 644·~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
    • -

  • Deze publieke sleutel (~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub) zal gebruikt worden bij het aanmaken van jouw Fedora account zoals beschreven in Paragraaf 2.4, “Een Account Aanvragen”.

    • +

  • Deze publieke sleutel (~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub) zal gebruikt worden bij het aanmaken van jouw Fedora account zoals beschreven in Paragraaf 2.4, “Een Account Aanvragen”.

    • From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue Jun 17 12:48:54 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:48:54 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide index.php,1.21,1.22 Message-ID: <200806171248.m5HCmssP031690@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31652 Modified Files: index.php Log Message: Make 'it' locale visible Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.21 retrieving revision 1.22 diff -u -r1.21 -r1.22 --- index.php 23 May 2008 17:19:31 -0000 1.21 +++ index.php 17 Jun 2008 12:48:24 -0000 1.22 @@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ Magyar | - +italiano | ????????? | Nederlands | From rkoth at azdes.gov Tue Jun 17 14:14:57 2008 From: rkoth at azdes.gov (Koth, Randy, L) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:14:57 -0700 Subject: Unable to reach site - see error below Message-ID: <107A6B35172EB842A99F4A87B1FF755E315B59B6C2@AZDESGOVMBX03.azdes.gov> Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request GET /wiki/Special:Search. Reason: Error reading from remote server ________________________________ Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) Server at fedoraproject.org Port 80 Randy Koth 602-274-5359 x1228 ________________________________ NOTICE: This e-mail (and any attachments) may contain PRIVILEGED OR CONFIDENTIAL information and is intended only for the use of the specific individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information that is privileged and confidential under state and federal law. This information may be used or disclosed only in accordance with law, and you may be subject to penalties under law for improper use or further disclosure of the information in this e-mail and its attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the person named above by reply e-mail, and then delete the original e-mail. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please use the link at the bottom of each and every e-mail to the list. > mkraychaudhuri > > > From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 17 21:44:32 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:44:32 -0400 Subject: Fedora Websites development help In-Reply-To: <94a5bde10806161034t69f69098ya86867dbd1128f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080613020658.GC3658@Max> <94a5bde10806161034t69f69098ya86867dbd1128f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080617214432.GA10670@Max> On 2008-06-16 01:34:58 PM, David Kaylor wrote: > I did some thinking about the first issue this weekend. If mod_negotiate would > allow you map languages by directory structure instead of file name, the issue > of running on an unconfigured site would go away. For example, http:// > fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora maps to DOCUMENT_ROOT/get-fedora.html.en. If > it could instead map to DOCUMENT_ROOT/en/get-fedora, the site would work with > unconfigured servers. Cool, that's exactly the sort of thing that I was thinking to solve that problem. I'm going to be somewhat scarce tonight, but I'll definitely start testing your solution tomorrow. Thanks a lot! Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dkaylor at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 22:19:59 2008 From: dkaylor at gmail.com (David Kaylor) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:19:59 -0400 Subject: Fedora Websites development help In-Reply-To: <20080617214432.GA10670@Max> References: <20080613020658.GC3658@Max> <94a5bde10806161034t69f69098ya86867dbd1128f0@mail.gmail.com> <20080617214432.GA10670@Max> Message-ID: <94a5bde10806171519g7e7f0d48lab309dd9aba7162c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/17 Ricky Zhou : > On 2008-06-16 01:34:58 PM, David Kaylor wrote: > > I did some thinking about the first issue this weekend. If mod_negotiate > would > > allow you map languages by directory structure instead of file name, the > issue > > of running on an unconfigured site would go away. For example, http:// > > fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora maps to > DOCUMENT_ROOT/get-fedora.html.en. If > > it could instead map to DOCUMENT_ROOT/en/get-fedora, the site would work > with > > unconfigured servers. > Cool, that's exactly the sort of thing that I was thinking to solve that > problem. I'm going to be somewhat scarce tonight, but I'll definitely > start testing your solution tomorrow. > > Thanks a lot! > Ricky > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > Great. If you see any problems, I'd be happy to take another look at it. -Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Matt Woelfel From craigt at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 18 22:54:50 2008 From: craigt at fedoraproject.org (Craig Thomas) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:54:50 -0400 Subject: typo - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AndreasBierfert/Wine In-Reply-To: <6af59db70806180721u42b4480fn35e4da3ed36ee513@mail.gmail.com> References: <6af59db70806180721u42b4480fn35e4da3ed36ee513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Matt Woelfel wrote: > Dear Webmaster, > > There's a small typo on the page: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AndreasBierfert/Wine > > Towards the bottom of the page it reads "If you really thing...", > where it should say "If you really think". Thank you. -- Craig Thomas > Regards, > > Matt Woelfel > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > From craigt at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 18 23:32:47 2008 From: craigt at fedoraproject.org (Craig Thomas) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:32:47 -0400 Subject: correction - usbhowto In-Reply-To: <440456838.43281213744513142.JavaMail.root@ms1.tctc.org> References: <440456838.43281213744513142.JavaMail.root@ms1.tctc.org> Message-ID: 2008/6/17 Chuck Beazer : > It looks like you are still missing the first line of some of the console > text examples in the Errors and Solutions section on the web page: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo Hi Chuck, I have added the missing lines, thank you. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo Thanks, -- Craig Thomas > Did they get munged in the last edit? Thanks for Fedora. > > > -- > Chuck Beazer > Network Administrator > 918.331.3281 > 918.331.3451 FAX > www.tctc.org > > Tri County Technology Center > 6101 SE Nowata Road > Bartlesville OK 74006 > > Providing Superior Training > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: > This message has originated from Tri County Technology Center. This message > and any attachments may contain information that is privileged, > confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. It is > intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above as the > recipient. If you are not the recipient of this message or if this message > has been addressed to you in error, please notify the sender immediately by > telephone or e-mail and promptly delete this message and any attached files. > Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of this > information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 03:38:18 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:38:18 -0400 Subject: planet bugs Message-ID: Hi, As Max asked, I have 'created' a bugs page for the new planet layout by adding to the existing page, as a whole page seemed over kill: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet I'll post progress on docs to the list. Cheers, -- Craig From qiugejie at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 07:20:32 2008 From: qiugejie at gmail.com (Jay Qiu) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:20:32 +0800 Subject: how to add raw devices in fedora 9? Message-ID: <97124a5c0806190020q5d5992dfhe94fa072695d5267@mail.gmail.com> hi, i use the F9 linux,but i wanna use raw devices,now , i don't know how configure the udev? who can help? thks Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bastertwo at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 23:01:40 2008 From: bastertwo at gmail.com (Alberto Jauregui) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:01:40 -0600 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: Ey guys, the download site its unavailable, whats the matter? I want fedora core on my laptop computer. Please Can you tell me any other place to download fedora core. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please > > > > Can you tell me any other place to download fedora core. > download.fedoraproject.org redirects to mirrors all over the world, so > the problem might be on the mirror's side. Do you remember what mirror > you tried to download from? > > Alternatively, you can obtain Fedora using Bittorrent > (http://torrent.fedoraproject.org). > > Thanks, > Ricky > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 20 13:50:40 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:50:40 -0400 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <629e7f300806200546x5a51652co63d477e4658a9fd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080620122208.GB3910@Max> <629e7f300806200546x5a51652co63d477e4658a9fd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080620135040.GC3910@Max> On 2008-06-20 02:46:46 PM, Ivo Smulders wrote: > The problem I have is that I can reach the mirror side and see the Fedora DVD > ISO file is 3.3GB big, but when downloading I get in 1 second a message saying > it is finished and the size is only 1KB. > > I tried mirror sides and the FedoroProject download page - all give the same > result. If you're using an HTTP mirror, it's possible that it doesn't have large file support, which would explain it failing for the DVD. In that case, an FTP mirror (or bittorrent) would work fine. 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At the least, the "printable version" shouldn't be showing the side bar frame (Main Page, Events, Recent Changes, etc.) at _all_. Thanks. --- David A. Wheeler From victor.noname at gmail.com Fri Jun 20 19:46:48 2008 From: victor.noname at gmail.com (Victor Chukhantsev) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:46:48 +0400 Subject: bad links Message-ID: <87bq1vzy6v.fsf@they-killed-kenny.net> http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora See all mirrors link looks on http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ wich is 404. -- Victor Chukhantsev xmpp: victor at xmpp.ru - +7 (904) 77-68-500 gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net --recv-keys 0xF5BCF225 Mess with the best, die like the rest. From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Jun 21 18:36:39 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Wiki: Printing fails In-Reply-To: <485BCBE0.6090206@ida.org> References: <485BCBE0.6090206@ida.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, David A. Wheeler wrote: > Printing the Wiki doesn't work on Firefox 2, Firefox 3, and Internet Explorer > 7. > > For example, open this page on FFX 2 or 3: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CreatingPackageHowTo > > Select the browser's "File/Print" option. On Firefox 2, you'll get the > sidebar and the first few lines of text, and nothing else. On Firefox 3 and > IE, you get only the sidebar. > > If you click on "Printable version" and then select "File/Print", you get the > same result. > > It looks like a style sheet customization is wrong - perhaps it's backwards! > At the least, the "printable version" shouldn't be showing the side bar frame > (Main Page, Events, Recent Changes, etc.) at _all_. > If you could add a ticket at the Fedora Infrastructure trac instance -- http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ that would be great. You'll need a FAS account; if you don't have one, let me know so I can create the ticket for you. -- ian From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sat Jun 21 19:07:38 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:07:38 -0400 Subject: fedoraproject.org usability report Message-ID: <485D517A.6020503@linuxgrrl.com> Hey folks, Matt from the FSF very helpfully volunteered to be our test subject at the Fedora usability session at FUDcon today. Here is my writeup of his experience. He took 5 of our 10 tasks on. I took a screencast of the test but it's ~30 megs so I'm not sure how to make it available right now. This is kind of in a transcript style. ~m -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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And I'm sure you've all my attempts to find various things on the Fedora Project website, as posted yesterday. I'm unsure how to proceed further, so I thought I'd send this out there and let people give me some feedback. matt (I should say, for clarity, that any work I do for Fedora would be my own volunteer work, and wouldn't be official FSF work, or an endorsement of Fedora, etc.) From sundaram at redhat.com Sun Jun 22 13:59:17 2008 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:29:17 +0530 Subject: Hello... In-Reply-To: <53eef31f0806220539j1c57b8cep3356bb9d7b9b454d@mail.gmail.com> References: <53eef31f0806220539j1c57b8cep3356bb9d7b9b454d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <485E5AB5.1000603@redhat.com> Matt Lee wrote: > I'm Matt Lee, Campaigns Manager at the Free Software Foundation. > > I went to Fudcon yesterday, and it was great to meet some of you. > > I was so impressed by yesterday, that I've wiped my laptop and moved > to Fedora. I'm blogging my experiences as part of my on-going project, > Exploring Freedom -- http://exploringfreedom.org/ > > One of my roles within the FSF is to maintain our websites, and I'm > also presently (still) volunteering in my spare time to run the > website for the GNU Operating System -- http://www.gnu.org/ > > As GNU and Fedora have much in common, I'd like to try my hand at > getting involved here. And I'm sure you've all my attempts to find > various things on the Fedora Project website, as posted yesterday. > > I'm unsure how to proceed further, so I thought I'd send this out > there and let people give me some feedback. > > matt Welcome to Fedora. Note that this list is just for website discussions. Since you seem to already have a Fedora account, you can take a look at http://join.fedoraproject.org and see if anything interests you. Also refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet_HowTo Rahul From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sun Jun 22 14:14:48 2008 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:14:48 -0400 Subject: Hello... In-Reply-To: <53eef31f0806220539j1c57b8cep3356bb9d7b9b454d@mail.gmail.com> References: <53eef31f0806220539j1c57b8cep3356bb9d7b9b454d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1214144088.4405.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 08:39 -0400, Matt Lee wrote: > I'm Matt Lee, Campaigns Manager at the Free Software Foundation. Hi Matt! > I went to Fudcon yesterday, and it was great to meet some of you. > > I was so impressed by yesterday, that I've wiped my laptop and moved > to Fedora. I'm blogging my experiences as part of my on-going project, > Exploring Freedom -- http://exploringfreedom.org/ Right on! > > One of my roles within the FSF is to maintain our websites, and I'm > also presently (still) volunteering in my spare time to run the > website for the GNU Operating System -- http://www.gnu.org/ > > As GNU and Fedora have much in common, I'd like to try my hand at > getting involved here. And I'm sure you've all my attempts to find > various things on the Fedora Project website, as posted yesterday. > > I'm unsure how to proceed further, so I thought I'd send this out > there and let people give me some feedback. Welcome to the project. Rahul's earlier reply pointed to where you can find more information about the various projects within Fedora. Most of them have an IRC channel on Freenode IRC as well. One of the neat things you can do, once you get your Fedora account, is add your blog to our planet ( http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ ). Your experiences with Fedora would be great content there, and whatever else you happen to be doing. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 22 15:36:00 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:36:00 +0100 Subject: Hello... In-Reply-To: <53eef31f0806220539j1c57b8cep3356bb9d7b9b454d@mail.gmail.com> References: <53eef31f0806220539j1c57b8cep3356bb9d7b9b454d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806220836i62b478c0pd240f77d7c62cb81@mail.gmail.com> > I'm unsure how to proceed further, so I thought I'd send this out > there and let people give me some feedback. The best way to go, especially if websites interests you, is to follow this list and come along to the meetings (they'll be announced on list, and happen usually on a Monday evening) :) We're always looking for an extra hand to do various tasks, or people to drive ideas of their own forward. If you see something you want to do, or if you want to start something new, just shout out and we'll help you get it done! Is great to have you on board, and glad you enjoyed FUDCon! Best, Jon From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 22 15:50:15 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:50:15 -0400 Subject: Fedora Spins Hackfest Message-ID: <20080622155015.GF3910@Max> Hey, just wanted to mention some of the discussion we had in the spins hackfest at FUDCon. Thanks to Ian Weller for getting all of these notes on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Spins_Hackfest_summary Coming to a websites meeting near you! 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My plans at Campus Party is to gather some people interested in helping with fedora, and let them have a project to work on (in this case the Spins site) so we can start developing the site and at the same time trying to get more people involved with the project and the Websites team. So as a part of the TODO list for Spins site there is designing the database and as i noticed from the hackfest summary, there wasnt really too much focus on technical issues, it would be good that for this meeting we set up some points (it would be great if we have it designed for tomorrow or tuesday) about the database that should be created for this site. So, can somebody bring this up for tomorrow meeting? [1] http://www.campus-party.com.co/ -- Juan Camilo Prada From Matt_Domsch at dell.com Mon Jun 23 05:32:42 2008 From: Matt_Domsch at dell.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:32:42 -0500 Subject: fedoraproject.org usability report In-Reply-To: <485D517A.6020503@linuxgrrl.com> References: <485D517A.6020503@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <20080623053242.GA12914@auslistsprd01.us.dell.com> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 03:07:38PM -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Test 4 with Matt: Download FC6 for x86_64 > ========================================= > > - start at http://www.fedoraproject.org/ > - clicks on get fedora > - I guess these are all F9 although they aren't labeled as such. I guess I can't use these links Just a point, I have been removing all no-longer-supported releases (at present, this means everything < F8) from the list of mirrors at http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org. MirrorManager could still direct people at these release if we want to, but I don't want to encourage people to download and install older releases. Thoughts? Thanks, Matt Fedora Mirror Wrangler -- Matt Domsch Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux From Matt_Domsch at dell.com Mon Jun 23 05:35:12 2008 From: Matt_Domsch at dell.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:35:12 -0500 Subject: Download error In-Reply-To: <1214103930.10118.276.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1214103930.10118.276.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <20080623053512.GB12914@auslistsprd01.us.dell.com> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:05:30PM -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 19:27 -0500, sergio herrera wrote: > > HI!!! > > I live in mexico and when i try to download the install dvd for 64 > > bits the link redirects to > > http://fedora.ifc.unam.mx/releases/9/Fedora/x86_64/iso/Fedora-9-x86_64-DVD.iso, and i the de 403 Forbidden error, could you help with this?? > > > > Thank you > > Issues with specific mirrors need to be brought up with the organization > providing the mirror, in this case the Universidad Nacional Aut??noma de > M??xico. We can't expect random users to know how to contact a mirror owner. Heck, for a bunch of long-standing mirrors, even I don't know how to contact the mirror owner. :-) You can send such reports to mirror-admin at fedoraproject.org and we'll get in touch with the mirror owner directly. Thanks, Matt -- Matt Domsch Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 23 07:09:50 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:09:50 -0400 Subject: A conversation about website translation Message-ID: <20080623070950.GJ3910@Max> Hey, Bart and I had an interesting conversation about website translations last night (below), and I think it highlights some of our main challenges with our current translator workflow. I probably won't be able to make the meeting tomorrow, but it'd be great to start up a conversation about this (and i18n/l10n people as well). Thanks, Ricky ===== 02:17 < ricky> Argh, this is hard :-( 02:17 < ricky> I need to think a bit more before jumping into anything. 02:22 < couf> ricky: what's your plan with xml2po? 02:22 * couf just noticed a commit 02:24 < ricky> I've been experimenting with it, but there are downsides that I didn't see earlier. 02:24 < couf> have you looked at how the docs team uses it? 02:24 < ricky> For example, since it'd be extracting text directly from a generated site, it'd shut out any possibility of non-hacky "dynamic" content. 02:24 < ricky> (As in, content that updates on every website build) 02:25 < ricky> The other downside is that it'd require serious po file manipulation to migrate over. 02:25 < ricky> couf: Yeah, stickster_afk's the person that mentioned it to me. 02:26 < couf> yeah, that's a serious downside 02:26 < ricky> Their needs are slightly different from ours, though. 02:26 < ricky> :-( 02:26 < ricky> Here's the easiest solution for me. 02:26 < ricky> Take the git repo, make a directory for each language, completely break the workflow for translators and have them maintain parallel versions of the website for each language. 02:27 < ricky> That's really hard on translators, though. 02:27 < ricky> (And there are issues such as - how does a translator know when they need to update their translation?) 02:28 < ricky> I don't know... I'm not sure if PO files work well for fast-changing things like a website. 02:28 < ricky> I've been getting pain at every corner. 02:28 < ricky> Making the templating system substitute the right text... sucks. 02:28 < ricky> String extraction... sucks. 02:29 < ricky> Making sure that all translations are always in sync also sucks. 02:29 < couf> right :-/ 02:30 < ricky> So some general questions - how hard should I be trying to maintain the standard translator workflow? 02:30 < ricky> Which of the two problems (PO files vs. maintaining parallel versions) is more easily solvable? 02:31 < ricky> And I guess, what uses are we looking at with the website (and how will our choice of handling translations affect them?) 02:32 < couf> well from the translators viewpoint having parallel versions would erase all efforts L10N has been trying to do to create a standard workflow for everything 02:32 < ricky> Yeah, and I really don't want to do that 02:33 < couf> OTOH I do get that this will lead to more bad then good in the end 02:33 < couf> as PO-based work isn't really fitted for this stuff 02:34 < ricky> I'm not even 100% aware of a good alternative to PO-based stuff. 02:34 < couf> neither am I 02:34 < ricky> With parallel versions, it's still a big challenge to keep in sync with the original version. 02:36 < couf> hmm, we might want to cut down on translators a bit, have the languages sync up at release time and let the original change everytime we feel like it needs to 02:36 < couf> when it comes to users I'd say most users come to the site to download Fedora, and for the rest they would divert to the fedora-specific site in their locale like projectofedora.br and such 02:39 < ricky> Hm. 02:39 < ricky> Should that be our websites vision for the future? 02:40 < couf> I don't know, but we should think about it somehow 02:40 < ricky> And we have the exact same problem on other websites (even if they aren't supposed to be updated as often) 02:40 < ricky> Yeah. 02:42 * ricky wonders what the rest of the l10n team has to say about this. 02:43 < couf> they probably won't like it :) 02:43 < ricky> Well, not the parallel versions thing (which I'm not considering quite yet) 02:43 < ricky> Just how we can handle translations for something like a website. 02:44 < ricky> I wonder if anybody has experience doing something like this in a job or anything. 02:44 < ricky> I guess I should also mention that wiki translations will kind of break the workflow in the same way. 02:46 < couf> yeah, some have been talking of a PO-extraction layer on top of MW-API to make it sort of work with the workflow, but I'm not sure if that'll work in the end 02:48 < ricky> Yeah. This would be something that updates even faster than a website. 02:49 < couf> right, so in the end it looks like PO doesn't scale to websites :) 02:50 * couf notes: personal view, not L10N's view :) 02:53 < ivazquez> Perhaps this is a conversation we should be having in #fedora-i18n . 02:58 < ricky> Good point 02:58 < ricky> I'm actually going to get some sleep now 02:58 < ricky> couf: I think we touched over some important points in this conversation - mind if I send it to websites-list? 02:59 < ricky> (I want to get it in the discussion in tomorrow's meeting, even if I won't be there) 02:59 < couf> sure go ahead -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess I can't use these links > > Just a point, I have been removing all no-longer-supported releases > (at present, this means everything < F8) from the list of mirrors at > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org. MirrorManager could still direct > people at these release if we want to, but I don't want to encourage > people to download and install older releases. > > Thoughts? > I agree. Not supported means just that though perhaps it would be worth our time to have a list somewhere obvious of what is no longer supported? -Mike From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 23 15:31:32 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:31:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Meeting June 23, 22:00 UTC - About Spins In-Reply-To: <1214165951.17291.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1214165951.17291.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Jun 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > So, can somebody bring this up for tomorrow meeting? Almost our entire meeting for June 23rd will be devoted to going over what was discussed at the FUDCon hackfest, and beginning to turn it into work items that can be digested by individuals on our team. Talk to you all soon, Max From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Jun 23 15:53:12 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:53:12 -0700 Subject: fedoraproject.org usability report In-Reply-To: References: <485D517A.6020503@linuxgrrl.com> <20080623053242.GA12914@auslistsprd01.us.dell.com> Message-ID: <485FC6E8.9020409@redhat.com> Mike McGrath said the following on 06/23/2008 05:52 AM Pacific Time: > On Mon, 23 Jun 2008, Matt Domsch wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 03:07:38PM -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> Test 4 with Matt: Download FC6 for x86_64 >>> ========================================= >>> >>> - start at http://www.fedoraproject.org/ >>> - clicks on get fedora >>> - I guess these are all F9 although they aren't labeled as such. I guess I can't use these links >> Just a point, I have been removing all no-longer-supported releases >> (at present, this means everything < F8) from the list of mirrors at >> http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org. MirrorManager could still direct >> people at these release if we want to, but I don't want to encourage >> people to download and install older releases. >> >> Thoughts? >> > > I agree. Not supported means just that though perhaps it would be worth > our time to have a list somewhere obvious of what is no longer supported? > > -Mike > It's already done for you :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases From the0nexus at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 18:24:18 2008 From: the0nexus at gmail.com (Arye Lukashevski) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:24:18 +0300 Subject: Development of Fedora Websites Message-ID: Hi, my name is Arye Lukashevski. currently studying for BA in computer science. and I want to implement my knowledge into something useful while working with an open source project. also I really like fedora distributions. i had some background using apache a while ago while developing PHP sites. I'm eager to learn python. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Hello. My Name's Latif dalkiran. This Links: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/March https://bugzilla.fedora.us/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/March https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/March "2007-3-2: Turkey - Latif Dalkiran (x86) AlanSanders " Please Deleted My Name.. Because i have special causes.. Thanks.. _________________________________________________________________ Gelen kutunuzda hi? yer kalmamas?ndan b?kt?n?z m?? Windows Live Hotmail ?imdi size 5GB ?CRETS?Z depolama alan? sunuyor! ?cretsiz Windows Live Hotmail hesab?n?z? buradan al?n! http://get.live.com/mail/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 23 23:08:20 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Please!.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Latif Dalkiran wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/March > "2007-3-2: Turkey - Latif Dalkiran (x86) AlanSanders " I will change it to . --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 23 23:12:16 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: where does spins.fp.o live? Message-ID: In the fedora-web git repository, I see fedorahosted, fedorapeople, fedoraproject.org, start.fp.o, and talk.fp.o Where does the code for spins.fp.o live? --Max From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 23:28:52 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:28:52 -0400 Subject: where does spins.fp.o live? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1214263732.10118.312.camel@ignacio.lan> On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 19:12 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > In the fedora-web git repository, I see fedorahosted, fedorapeople, > fedoraproject.org, start.fp.o, and talk.fp.o > > Where does the code for spins.fp.o live? The same place as torrents.fp.o: puppet. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From juankprada at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 23:46:41 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:46:41 -0500 Subject: where does spins.fp.o live? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1214264801.9963.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 19:12 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > In the fedora-web git repository, I see fedorahosted, fedorapeople, > fedoraproject.org, start.fp.o, and talk.fp.o > > Where does the code for spins.fp.o live? > > --Max > I didnt found any place so ricky suggested to host the project at fedorahosted.org this is the info for anyone who interested ? FAS Group: gitspins Trac: https://fedorahosted.org/spins/ Push access: ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spins.git Anonymous access: git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spins.git, http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spins.git although i havent had the chance to work on the Trac site -- Juan Camilo Prada From ylynfatt at flowja.com Tue Jun 24 01:26:29 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (ylynfatt) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:26:29 -0500 Subject: planet rendering bug on ff3? Message-ID: <48604d45.30e.7834.1784273173@flowja.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Spevack To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Subject: planet rendering bug on ff3? Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:27:05 -0400 (EDT) >This is a "it happens on my computer" bug: > >I load planet.fp.o on Firefox 3, and start hitting page >down as I read. After 10 or so page downs, the rendering >gets totally messed up. The screen fails to refresh, and >the text all ends up on top of itself. > >I tried the same on planet.gnome.org and didn't have any >trouble. I don't know how to determine if this is a >problem with the fedora planet's css, a firefox problem, >etc. I thought I'd throw it out there and see if anyone >else has seen it. > >[spevack at localhost ~]$ rpm -q firefox >firefox-3.0-1.fc9.i386 > >--Max > >-- >Fedora-websites-list mailing list >Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list I can confirm this as well in FF3. Had a similar problem earlier today on my work computer, but I tried it again this evening on my home computer and didn't have any problems. I'm wondering if maybe the contents of a post from someone's blog was causing this? Perhaps it's no longer on the page hence why it isn't happening again for me. If I notice it again I'll see if there is anything specific causing it. - Yannick From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 24 01:34:44 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:34:44 -0400 Subject: planet rendering bug on ff3? In-Reply-To: <48604d45.30e.7834.1784273173@flowja.com> References: <48604d45.30e.7834.1784273173@flowja.com> Message-ID: <20080624013444.GB27941@Max> On 2008-06-23 08:26:29 PM, ylynfatt wrote: > I can confirm this as well in FF3. Had a similar problem > earlier today on my work computer, but I tried it again this > evening on my home computer and didn't have any problems. > I'm wondering if maybe the contents of a post from someone's > blog was causing this? Perhaps it's no longer on the page > hence why it isn't happening again for me. If I notice it > again I'll see if there is anything specific causing it. Several people (and myself) have reproduced this at home as well (but no luck yet on finding out the cause). I got somebody to try it on a Firefox 3 (probably some alpha version) on a windows machine, and they did not see this problem. Any CSS people here, try to play around with the CSS and see if we can hit on what causes it. It might even end up being some sort of Gecko bug (or something silly that we have set). Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Tue Jun 24 03:11:30 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:11:30 -0400 Subject: spins idea In-Reply-To: <48606288.5060304@redhat.com> References: <48606288.5060304@redhat.com> Message-ID: <486065E2.3010705@linuxgrrl.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey, > > I've been drawing out comics of the user stories [1] we discussed at > FUDcon. p.s., here's the comic: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Spins-userstories-joetheartist.png >I came up with one idea. I think downloading an ISO image for a > lot of inexperienced users, especially if they are not using Fedora or > another Linux, is going to be confusing. I don't think OS X and Windows > know how to handle ISO files nor do they usually come with software that > can handle them by default (correct me if I'm wrong!) > > One idea I had, I don't know how possible it is but... > > For each spin, where appropriate, could we offer: > > - One Live USB stick download that includes the ISO *AND* the software > appropriate for their OS bundled together to create the USB stick. > Ideally it would be a binary they could click, would ask them to select > their USB key from a list of mounted drives and would just do it. > > Is this technically feasible? > > ~m > > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary#Example_users From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jun 24 02:57:12 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:57:12 -0400 Subject: spins idea Message-ID: <48606288.5060304@redhat.com> Hey, I've been drawing out comics of the user stories [1] we discussed at FUDcon. I came up with one idea. I think downloading an ISO image for a lot of inexperienced users, especially if they are not using Fedora or another Linux, is going to be confusing. I don't think OS X and Windows know how to handle ISO files nor do they usually come with software that can handle them by default (correct me if I'm wrong!) One idea I had, I don't know how possible it is but... For each spin, where appropriate, could we offer: - One Live USB stick download that includes the ISO *AND* the software appropriate for their OS bundled together to create the USB stick. Ideally it would be a binary they could click, would ask them to select their USB key from a list of mounted drives and would just do it. Is this technically feasible? ~m [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary#Example_users From jkbykowy at shaw.ca Tue Jun 24 05:58:19 2008 From: jkbykowy at shaw.ca (Kristina&James Bykowy) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:58:19 -0600 Subject: Apache test page hacked Message-ID: <013601c8d5bf$4dd873c0$6500a8c0@user2e92f5be83> It appears your Apache test webpage has been hacked by phishers. I got an email asking a question about an eBay item I didn't list, and the link in the email pointed me to http://202.22.202.100/icons/small/ps1.gif/singin.ebay.com/ws/ebayISPP.dll/...... Looks like they created a folder in icons/small called ps1.gif and set up shop in there. Microsoft already seems to know this is a phishing website, so you may have been contacted by them already, but who knows how fast they move. In any case, you may wanna check out your site. -James Bykowy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems it is caused by some images from blogs. > > --Max Adam Pribyl From frankc.fedora at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 13:12:02 2008 From: frankc.fedora at gmail.com (Frank Chiulli) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:12:02 -0700 Subject: planet rendering bug on ff3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:14 AM, Adam Pribyl wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > >> This is a "it happens on my computer" bug: >> >> I load planet.fp.o on Firefox 3, and start hitting page down as I read. >> After 10 or so page downs, the rendering gets totally messed up. The screen >> fails to refresh, and the text all ends up on top of itself. >> >> I tried the same on planet.gnome.org and didn't have any trouble. I don't >> know how to determine if this is a problem with the fedora planet's css, a >> firefox problem, etc. I thought I'd throw it out there and see if anyone >> else has seen it. >> >> [spevack at localhost ~]$ rpm -q firefox >> firefox-3.0-1.fc9.i386 > > Have the same problem. It happens only when I scroll with mouse, skipping > few pages with keyboard "fixes" the problem. It seems it is caused by some > images from blogs. > >> >> --Max > > > Adam Pribyl > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > Not sure if this is related or not. But if I do a print preview, FF3 says that there are only two pages. The first page cuts off in the middle of a picture. The second page only has a horizontal line on it. It's almost as if it trying to put everything on one page. Frank From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jun 24 15:57:15 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:57:15 -0700 Subject: Apache test page hacked In-Reply-To: <013601c8d5bf$4dd873c0$6500a8c0@user2e92f5be83> References: <013601c8d5bf$4dd873c0$6500a8c0@user2e92f5be83> Message-ID: <1214323035.3207.111.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 23:58 -0600, Kristina&James Bykowy wrote: > It appears your Apache test webpage has been hacked by phishers. I > got an email asking a question about an eBay item I didn't list, and > the link in the email pointed me to > http://202.22.202.100/icons/small/ps1.gif/singin.ebay.com/ws/ebayISPP.dll/...... > > Looks like they created a folder in icons/small called ps1.gif and set > up shop in there. Microsoft already seems to know this is a phishing > website, so you may have been contacted by them already, but who knows > how fast they move. > > In any case, you may wanna check out your site. That is actually just a test page that is shipped with Apache in the Fedora OS: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server_Test_Page You need to do a WHOIS lookup to find out who actually owns/controls that IP address. - Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Eric --- Join OSCC MAMPU Mailing Lists http://lists.oscc.org.my/mailman/listinfo/oscc-discuss From kamisamanou at kamisamanou.net Thu Jun 26 12:43:51 2008 From: kamisamanou at kamisamanou.net (Kamisamanou Burgess) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:43:51 -0500 Subject: Wiki: Releases/10/Schedule Message-ID: <5dbb83710806260543u77fbb511l9c43fa2d950d9b1c@mail.gmail.com> I was looking at this page( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Schedule) and noticed you didn't have the date for the next major GNOME release. I found out that the release date for 2.24 is September 24th, 2008.(According to http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentythree/) I would have fixed it myself, but the account system change came at a time that I was too busy and I have to start all over again. Sayonara, Kamisamanou Burgess http://www.kamisamanou.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pcfe at redhat.com Thu Jun 26 13:07:50 2008 From: pcfe at redhat.com (Patrick C. 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Best, Jon From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 13:34:33 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:34:33 -0400 Subject: phcamera In-Reply-To: <7791b9f40806271408la2c5b83la2d43f08433b0f56@mail.gmail.com> References: <7791b9f40806271408la2c5b83la2d43f08433b0f56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1214660073.30544.69.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 23:08 +0200, B?r? ?d?m wrote: > My email is :adam.biro at gmail.com > > thanks ! So we noticed. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Brazilian Atlantic islands (Archipelago Fernando de Noronha, Trindade's Island, Martin Vaz's Islands, Penedos de S?o Pedro e S?o Paulo): UTC -2hs/GMT -2hs; 2. Official Brazil's timezone - aka Hour of Bras?lia (Amap?, Goi?s, Tocantins, Distrito Federal, eastern part of Par? (to the eastern of Xingu river); all the states of Northeast, Southeast and South regions: UTC -3hs/GMT -3hs; 3. West and Extreme West (Roraima, Rond?nia, Mato Grosso, Mato Grosso do Sul, western part of Par?, Amazonas and Acre): UTC -4hs/GMT -4hs. Thus, I hope you change the options with to the correct timezones correspondency. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 28 14:48:51 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:48:51 -0400 Subject: Fedora logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080628144851.GD1672@Max> On 2008-06-27 03:25:10 PM, Alexey Stolyar wrote: > We are a system integrator and I would like to display the fedora logo on our > site. I am not sure of the trademark regulations with the Fedora logo. I know > we are partners with Red Hat. So can you please tell me the regulations and if > we can use the Fedora logo. Hi - some information about our logo usage guidelines can be found at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo. To ask for permission to use the logo, please email logo at fedoraproject.org. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat Jun 28 16:03:46 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:03:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Pull Issues In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806280340q3050c0c6s201314e83f4d139@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806280340q3050c0c6s201314e83f4d139@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > I was trying to update my local git repo to match the current websites > one, and I keep getting an error: > > fatal: protocol error: bad line length character > > I tried deleting my local repo and doing a new clone and get the same > problem, any suggestions? > > Best, > What command are you running? -Mike From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 28 18:06:23 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:06:23 +0100 Subject: Pull Issues In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0806280340q3050c0c6s201314e83f4d139@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806281106o233a1aa2hcdedb9f45b4693c6@mail.gmail.com> > What command are you running? Both: git clone ssh://jonrob at git.fedorahosted.org/git-fedora-web.git git pull ssh://jonrob at git.fedorahosted.org/git-fedora-web.git Best, Jon From linux at elfshadow.net Sat Jun 28 22:16:37 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:16:37 -0400 Subject: Pull Issues In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806281106o233a1aa2hcdedb9f45b4693c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806280340q3050c0c6s201314e83f4d139@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806281106o233a1aa2hcdedb9f45b4693c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00806281516se5b6aa8y35ff0abf43d30250@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Both: > > git clone ssh://jonrob at git.fedorahosted.org/git-fedora-web.git > > git pull ssh://jonrob at git.fedorahosted.org/git-fedora-web.git Try this: git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git ~Jeffrey From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sun Jun 29 03:36:48 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:36:48 -0400 Subject: spins.fpo sitemap Message-ID: <48670350.2000604@linuxgrrl.com> Hi folks, I took a stab at a sitemap for spins.fpo based on the notes Ian Weller took at the FUDcon spins discussion. If we are happy with this (or once we are after some tweaking), we can use this as a guide to scope out the project. What do you think? I think the next step after we're happy with the sitemap would be to create at least a basic wireframe design, not a full-blown mockup (prolly only a few will need this), for each page on the map. - see the sitemap here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary#Sitemap - see my blog entry on this here: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html ~m From herlo1 at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 05:34:03 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:34:03 -0600 Subject: spins.fpo sitemap In-Reply-To: <48670350.2000604@linuxgrrl.com> References: <48670350.2000604@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:36 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > I took a stab at a sitemap for spins.fpo based on the notes Ian Weller took > at the FUDcon spins discussion. If we are happy with this (or once we are > after some tweaking), we can use this as a guide to scope out the project. > What do you think? > > I think the next step after we're happy with the sitemap would be to create > at least a basic wireframe design, not a full-blown mockup (prolly only a > few will need this), for each page on the map. > > - see the sitemap here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary#Sitemap > > - see my blog entry on this here: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html > > Wow! That's pretty complex! I can see how it migh work though and its pretty nice. For me, it seems pretty appropriate. I'd also like to point out that Chris Negus and I have been building questions for the spins site. You can find them at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins/What_is_a_spin. I'll be spending some time tomorrow finishing up the last few questions. Feel free to add more q's if you have any we can answer. Great job Mo! Cheers, Clint From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 29 08:49:35 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:49:35 +0100 Subject: Pull Issues In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00806281516se5b6aa8y35ff0abf43d30250@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806280340q3050c0c6s201314e83f4d139@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806281106o233a1aa2hcdedb9f45b4693c6@mail.gmail.com> <10e0a9b00806281516se5b6aa8y35ff0abf43d30250@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806290149t68008575jdae68d3462013c4@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/28 Jeffrey Tadlock : > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: >> Both: >> >> git clone ssh://jonrob at git.fedorahosted.org/git-fedora-web.git >> >> git pull ssh://jonrob at git.fedorahosted.org/git-fedora-web.git > > Try this: > > git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git Thanks Jeffrey, that worked. Best, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 29 08:50:45 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:50:45 +0100 Subject: Update to get-help Message-ID: <507738ef0806290150r5beff69cu8b2da957241b7a9d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've just put an updated version of fedora-web in my fedorapeople space that changes get-help to include content about bugzilla. Could somebody take a look and push it to live if that's OK? Best, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 29 08:54:27 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:54:27 +0100 Subject: Update to get-help In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806290150r5beff69cu8b2da957241b7a9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806290150r5beff69cu8b2da957241b7a9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806290154id2b915boac8832699473bada@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/29 Jonathan Roberts : > Hi, > > I've just put an updated version of fedora-web in my fedorapeople > space that changes get-help to include content about bugzilla. Could > somebody take a look and push it to live if that's OK? And my fedorapeople address: http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-web > > Best, > > Jon > From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jun 30 18:37:06 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: meeting Mon Jun 30, 20:00 UTC Message-ID: That's 4:00 PM Eastern time, 1:00 PM Pacific time, and 10:00 PM CEST. In #fedora-websites. Required reading: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary --Max From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Jun 30 19:04:58 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:04:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: meeting Mon Jun 30, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > That's 4:00 PM Eastern time, 1:00 PM Pacific time, and 10:00 PM CEST. > > In #fedora-websites. > > Required reading: > > http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary > Holy moly do we need more mizmo's :) -Mike From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 19:18:08 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:18:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: meeting Mon Jun 30, 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > Holy moly do we need more mizmo's :) > I'll get the cloner ready. ;) -- ian
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