From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu May 1 02:17:07 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:17:07 -0400 Subject: analytics ? Message-ID: Hi all, Do we have a google analytics setup ? that I can get access to? If not, can we? :-} pretty please... Or, I guess, worst case, even httpd logs files for things like get-fedora? -- Craig From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 02:19:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 07:49:41 +0530 Subject: analytics ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <481928BD.2070008@fedoraproject.org> Craig Thomas wrote: > Hi all, > > Do we have a google analytics setup ? that I can get access to? > > If not, can we? :-} pretty please... > > Or, I guess, worst case, even httpd logs files for things like > get-fedora? Just curious. What are you planning on? Rahul From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 02:23:16 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:23:16 -0400 Subject: analytics ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080501022316.GK6256@Max> On 2008-04-30 10:17:07 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: > Do we have a google analytics setup ? that I can get access to? > > If not, can we? :-} pretty please... > > Or, I guess, worst case, even httpd logs files for things like > get-fedora? I think we've previous discussions about something like this - bottom line, we don't want to use something that's not open source. We do have http://fedoraproject.org/awstats/, though (and I can extract data from log files if you need something). Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From linux at elfshadow.net Thu May 1 02:23:54 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:23:54 -0400 Subject: Meeting Log 2008-04-30 In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0804301425sc2f0e99mb2343f876bd1837e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00804301923u5ef11f9fke13109a27d4409aa@mail.gmail.com> 2008/4/30 Craig Thomas : > I have converted the log to html, but I have not placed it on the > wiki, as none of markup options for irclog2html.py are compatible > with wiki syntax. > > Do other teams post their IRC logs this way? wondering what tool they > use to generate wiki markup? << this time we'll send it to the list... :) >> I have posted the HTML version of the log to the wiki here (linked off the meeting page): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-04-30/HTMLlog I generated it with this command: ./irclog2html.py --style=table And then use this wiki markup to allow html: {{{ #!html insert html log here }}} Thanks! Jeffrey From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu May 1 02:29:56 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:29:56 -0400 Subject: analytics ? In-Reply-To: <481928BD.2070008@fedoraproject.org> References: <481928BD.2070008@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Craig Thomas wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Do we have a google analytics setup ? that I can get access to? > > > > If not, can we? :-} pretty please... > > > > Or, I guess, worst case, even httpd logs files for things like > > get-fedora? > > > > Just curious. What are you planning on? Well, I am not thinking anything too specific. I just think it will help us gain some understanding of our traffic and browser stats for the static pages, and perhaps even search criteria. No real specific info, just the basic things a webmaster might want to know about the site they 'master' :-} like, how many people actually use the get-fedora page? did they click eight times, or 2 to find the right .iso ? did they indeed download an .iso, or disappear into the ether? did they return later? Just regular stuff. Cheers, -- Craig From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 02:30:27 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:30:27 -0400 Subject: Installing programs, and dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080501023027.GL6256@Max> On 2008-04-30 07:56:57 PM, Richard Forkner wrote: > I'm haveing some problems trying to get any RPM's to load. > My computer is 1.8 GHz processor with 512 Mb RAM. > One example is I tried to load gdkxft and it came back with dependency error > and wouldn't load. > The dependency was it needed libXft.so.1 and so I searched file system for > libXft* and it came back with that I had libXft.so.2. Why is it that I can't > load any programs with fc8 other than what comes with the package? > > Also I can't access or use my modem with fc8. I can't get anything to load > and I'm havinga problem trying to get source code packages to build of the > programs and or drivers.. > > Some help here would be good The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to Fedora's websites. For general Fedora support, please refer to the help resources described at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate. Good luck, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu May 1 02:32:21 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:32:21 -0400 Subject: analytics ? In-Reply-To: <20080501022316.GK6256@Max> References: <20080501022316.GK6256@Max> Message-ID: 2008/4/30 Ricky Zhou : > > On 2008-04-30 10:17:07 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: > > Do we have a google analytics setup ? that I can get access to? > > > > If not, can we? :-} pretty please... > > > > Or, I guess, worst case, even httpd logs files for things like > > get-fedora? > I think we've previous discussions about something like this - bottom > line, we don't want to use something that's not open source. We do have > http://fedoraproject.org/awstats/, though (and I can extract data from > log files if you need something). OK, of course that makes sense. I did not know about our awstats. Thanks. -- Craig From c.c.anderson at bigpond.com Thu May 1 07:06:09 2008 From: c.c.anderson at bigpond.com (Chris Anderson) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:36:09 +0930 Subject: Fedora cd iso image Message-ID: <000601c8ab59$d5690dd0$0a0a0a0a@stone> Hi I am looking for a mirror site that has the Fedora V8 iso cd images, not the dvd image as I don't have a dvd burner. I am in Australia and from what I can see, all the mirrors only have the dvd image. Could you please let me know of a site or mirror in my region that has the cd images for Fedora V8. Thank you for your help Max -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 07:54:33 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:24:33 +0530 Subject: Fedora cd iso image In-Reply-To: <000601c8ab59$d5690dd0$0a0a0a0a@stone> References: <000601c8ab59$d5690dd0$0a0a0a0a@stone> Message-ID: <48197739.308@fedoraproject.org> Chris Anderson wrote: > Hi > > I am looking for a mirror site that has the Fedora V8 iso cd images, not > the dvd image as I don't have a dvd burner. I am in Australia and from > what I can see, all the mirrors only have the dvd image. > > Could you please let me know of a site or mirror in my region that has > the cd images for Fedora V8. The live images are CD size for x86 architecture and can be installed to hard disk. If you really want regular CD images, refer http://fedoraunity.org/news-archives/fedora-8-cd-sets-released Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Thu May 1 19:31:10 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 May 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > I think there's this assumption that the current Fedora website is > terribly useless. But I look at the front page of fedoraproject.org, > and I see *exactly* what I think I *should* see. Here's what I said in the Websites meeting yesterday: The two most important actions someone can take are GETTING FEDORA and JOINING FEDORA. I would like to see one group of people focus on making the CONTENT for the Join page as great as possible. I would like to see another group of people lead the charge on making GET FEDORA as useful as possible, which includes making it DEAD SIMPLE for people to just grab the Gnome or KDE spins, and also giving people a way to browse all the spins that are available -- what spins.fp.o was meant to be. This second task is a legitimate Web Engineering Project. A third group of people should take responsibility for making sure that all of the Fedora Websites have a consistent look and feel. These are the three areas in which I am going to try to influence the direction of the Websites team. From lindy122 at verizon.net Thu May 1 15:45:21 2008 From: lindy122 at verizon.net (Lindy Rosenbaum) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:45:21 -0400 Subject: feedback Message-ID: If you are a member of the general public: The fact that you are seeing this page indicates that the website you just visited is either experiencing problems, or is undergoing routine maintenance. If you would like to let the administrators of this website know that you've seen this page instead of the page you expected, you should send them e-mail. In general, mail sent to the name "webmaster" and directed to the website's domain should reach the appropriate person. For example, if you experienced problems while visiting www.example.com, you should send e-mail to "webmaster at example.com". For information on Fedora, please visit the Fedora Project website. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu May 1 19:43:15 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:43:15 -0400 Subject: feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/5/1 Lindy Rosenbaum : > > > > If you are a member of the general public: > > The fact that you are seeing this page indicates that the website you just > visited is either experiencing problems, or is undergoing routine > maintenance. > > If you would like to let the administrators of this website know that you've > seen this page instead of the page you expected, you should send them > e-mail. In general, mail sent to the name "webmaster" and directed to the > website's domain should reach the appropriate person. > > For example, if you experienced problems while visiting www.example.com, you > should send e-mail to "webmaster at example.com". > > For information on Fedora, please visit the Fedora Project website. Hello, That is a test page included with our operating system; we don't actually control the site in question. Please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage. Best regards, -- Craig Thomas From albertom at grafmarc.com.ve Thu May 1 18:58:15 2008 From: albertom at grafmarc.com.ve (alberto march tobella) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:58:15 -0400 Subject: Urgent Message-ID: Please, get rid your address from www.marisasimonspa.com immediately! Alberto march GrafMarc From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu May 1 20:09:43 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:09:43 -0400 Subject: Urgent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:58 PM, alberto march tobella wrote: > Please, get rid your address from www.marisasimonspa.com immediately! > > Alberto march > > GrafMarc > Hello, That is a test page included with our operating system; we don't actually control the site in question. Please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage. Kind regards, -- Craig Thomas [cwt at localhost ~]$ whois marisasimonspa.com [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com] [Redirected to whois.godaddy.com] [Querying whois.godaddy.com] [whois.godaddy.com] The data contained in GoDaddy.com, Inc.'s WhoIs database, while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is" with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you in obtaining information about domain name registration records. Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior written permission of GoDaddy.com, Inc. By submitting an inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. In particular, you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible, dissemination or collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and and solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further agree not to use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose, including mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes. Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc. is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database. Registrant: Marisa Simon 330 West Diversey 2604 Chicago, Illinois 60657 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: MARISASIMONSPA.COM Created on: 18-Feb-08 Expires on: 18-Feb-13 Last Updated on: 29-Apr-08 Administrative Contact: Simon, Marisa marisasimon at rcn.com 330 West Diversey 2604 Chicago, Illinois 60657 United States (773) 404-7490 Fax -- Technical Contact: Simon, Marisa marisasimon at rcn.com 330 West Diversey 2604 Chicago, Illinois 60657 United States (773) 404-7490 Fax -- Domain servers in listed order: NS0.GRAFMARC.COM NS1.GRAFMARC.COM [cwt at localhost ~]$ From mostafa at daneshvar.org.uk Thu May 1 20:11:12 2008 From: mostafa at daneshvar.org.uk (Mostafa Daneshvar) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 00:41:12 +0430 Subject: Urgent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200805020041.16815.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> On Panj shanbe 12 Ordibehesht 1387 23:28:15 alberto march tobella wrote: > Please, get rid your address from www.marisasimonspa.com immediately! > > Alberto march > > GrafMarc please check http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage -- Mostafa Baloch http://www.mdaneshvar.ir -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 21:48:06 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:48:06 +0100 Subject: Next week's meeting Message-ID: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, It seems most people have filled in the wiki matrix now, so can I suggest 2300 UTC on Thursday 8th May? I'll get the agenda updated on Websites/Meetings in the next few days... Best, Jon From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu May 1 22:00:15 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:00:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > It seems most people have filled in the wiki matrix now, so can I > suggest 2300 UTC on Thursday 8th May? > > I'll get the agenda updated on Websites/Meetings in the next few days... > I'll be there. -Mike From ianweller at gmail.com Fri May 2 01:24:31 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:24:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > It seems most people have filled in the wiki matrix now, so can I > suggest 2300 UTC on Thursday 8th May? Works for me, I'll be there -- ian From jonstanley at gmail.com Fri May 2 01:29:38 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:29:38 -0400 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Ian Weller wrote: > Works for me, I'll be there -- ian WORKSFORME (not that I'll have much to add, but I'm sure I'll be lurking about). From juankprada at gmail.com Fri May 2 03:17:59 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 22:17:59 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org Message-ID: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> ?So I've made some changes to the current layout again using M?ir?n's mockups (probably somebody might remember the proposal i did a few months ago). This time i avoided doing just what i though it should be done and actually asked for some help to get the content that should appear on the site. The proposal is here: http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/index A new section to fp.o was added under the 'What is fedora?' link on the navigation bar, where some basic info about the project appears. It tries to fill the hole left by the lack of information about what the project really is. I think that information really needs to be reviewed and approved by the community so i expect some feedback about that. Also (and is not a new idea) there is the news bar to the right side of the page. It works but it still needs some improvements so it will display news depending on the language selected (right now that website only works in English). Another change that was made is the 'Get Fedora' section. Even though right now the section is not functional, it shows the workflow a user should follow in order to get fedora. While it seems to have so many information and options that may get new users to get lost, some improvements are to be made so the process get better and more intuitive, so for now i would like you guys to check the workflow and again give some feedback before the real work on the Get Fedora section starts. That's pretty much all i have to show, feel free to get the code from the site and do some improvements where you see fit. From kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Fri May 2 06:12:35 2008 From: kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com (Izhar Firdaus) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:12:35 +0800 Subject: Usage guideline for Fedora's templates and CSS Message-ID: == are there any restrictions / guidelines regarding the use of Fedora css stylesheets and templates? We should mention that in the next meeting - it has come up on list before, and I think everybody pretty much agrees that the non-trademarked stuff should be freely available, but we should probably decide on some sort of license/notice to put on it at some point. KageSenshi: Mind bringing that up on fedora-websites-list again? == What i want to use with the css is for a template for fedora.foss.org.my .. I'm very bad with visual and so far my trials to create my own failed ugly .. so, I'm thinking of porting and adjusting the fp.o template instead .. but couldn't find the guideline/license info on the stylesheet and template .. -- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 06:44:26 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:44:26 +0100 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0805012344o2ef1c437r9ffef8da74b91c17@mail.gmail.com> > A new section to fp.o was added under the 'What is fedora?' link on the > navigation bar, where some basic info about the project appears. It > tries to fill the hole left by the lack of information about what the > project really is. I think that information really needs to be > reviewed and approved by the community so i expect some feedback about > that. I like having this overview off the wiki, but personally I think it could do with a little re-wording. The other thing, I came up with draft content for a "get help" page a while ago, that pointed people specifically to the locations where they can get end-user support. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/GetSupport Might be useful for you. > > Also (and is not a new idea) there is the news bar to the right side of > the page. It works but it still needs some improvements so it will > display news depending on the language selected (right now that website > only works in English). > Another change that was made is the 'Get Fedora' section. Even though > right now the section is not functional, it shows the workflow a user > should follow in order to get fedora. While it seems to have so many > information and options that may get new users to get lost, some > improvements are to be made so the process get better and more > intuitive, so for now i would like you guys to check the workflow and > again give some feedback before the real work on the Get Fedora section > starts. I think this is potentially a big improvement. One thing that Paul mentioned on his thoughts on a new "get-fedora" page was that it should be easy for developers to see all the techno-babble and not get pulled down through lots of description - so maybe make sure there's a link in there to all the mirror servers that's easily accessible? Looking forward to discussing this at the meeting next week... Best, Jon From juankprada at gmail.com Fri May 2 14:46:58 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:46:58 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1209739618.3455.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:02 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 22:17 -0500, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > ?So I've made some changes to the current layout again using M?ir?n's > > mockups (probably somebody might remember the proposal i did a few > > months ago). This time i avoided doing just what i though it should be > > done and actually asked for some help to get the content that should > > appear on the site. > > > > The proposal is here: http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/index > > Suggestion: The "Principles" section is redundant since both the > principles are highlighted already in the "About Fedora" section. You > can probably eliminate it. > I agree, its just that i added the content of the About fedora section after editing the front page so i didnt really looked the front page again. Anyway... ill remove them :) > > A new section to fp.o was added under the 'What is fedora?' link on the > > navigation bar, where some basic info about the project appears. It > > tries to fill the hole left by the lack of information about what the > > project really is. I think that information really needs to be > > reviewed and approved by the community so i expect some feedback about > > that. > > Suggestion: I'm not bowled over by having almost 1/3 of the content > devoted to talking about why we don't have MP3 out of the box. The page > should concentrate on positives. Maybe that source text could use a bit > of revision. Fedora is about more than just codecs and we should use > this space to talk about all the other things you can do with (and in) > Fedora. > > Really this suggestion speaks more to the need for a revision of the > "Overview" page. I had spoken up about doing this before and simply > haven't had a chance to take care of it. I've pushed it up on my ToDo > list accordingly. :-) > Great, thats the whole idea, i didnt like showing the reasons not to use mp3 but thats the information i found on the wiki. Please let me/us know about the revision when its donw so we it can be added to the site > > Also (and is not a new idea) there is the news bar to the right side of > > the page. It works but it still needs some improvements so it will > > display news depending on the language selected (right now that website > > only works in English). > > Design suggestion: Have the box a much more muted grey color (very > light) and change the links to the color of the ones on the left. Or > mute the blue out and have those links appear as white text. Something > that doesn't draw the eye so easily away from the center of the page. > Totally agree with you, but as im not a designer myself i'll let that aspect of the website to somebody who has some skills on web design (probably somebody from the art team) > > Another change that was made is the 'Get Fedora' section. Even though > > right now the section is not functional, it shows the workflow a user > > should follow in order to get fedora. While it seems to have so many > > information and options that may get new users to get lost, some > > improvements are to be made so the process get better and more > > intuitive, so for now i would like you guys to check the workflow and > > again give some feedback before the real work on the Get Fedora section > > starts. > > I wrote a proposed workflow in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/NewGetFedora which you could > refer to. It's very important that this page follow some guidelines > like avoiding jargon and asking human-flavored questions. > I did had in mind your workflow proposal when working on the Get Fedora section and we discussed some changes that should be done to it (like having first the architecture decision), but pretty much what you see in the proposal is the result of what you proposed there plus some minor changes (if im wrong please let me know exactly what we missed/did wrong). Also there will be a link for a much more direct way to get the installation media ... something like a "already know what you want?.. get it here" link, so people who already know what they are after can get it without having to answer each of the questions btw, i dont understand that "human-flavored question" you talked about (sorry but i just cant understand the expression) > I really feel that the page should use JavaScript to present only one > question at a time, hiding and unhiding page elements as needed so the > user doesn't feel overwhelemed by the process, yet the page feels like > it's responding very quickly to the user's input. > Thats exactly what its gonna be done, and right now im working on making that happen. I was just waiting for some feedback on the workflow and to get to know the javascript framework that should be used Also if anyone see fit to add some other section/content let me know so we cand discuss it and if its the case, work on it this week to have it ready for the next websites meeting. From juankprada at gmail.com Fri May 2 18:05:12 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:05:12 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1209751512.4010.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:02 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I wrote a proposed workflow in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/NewGetFedora which you could > refer to. It's very important that this page follow some guidelines > like avoiding jargon and asking human-flavored questions. > > I really feel that the page should use JavaScript to present only one > question at a time, hiding and unhiding page elements as needed so the > user doesn't feel overwhelemed by the process, yet the page feels like > it's responding very quickly to the user's input. I have updated the website and now it use some basic javascript to achieve what you proposed. Check http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora to see the workflow in action. Now every step appears right after the previous step is selected (except for the first one). Notice that the second step which let the user select the installation media or spins, only shows options according to the architecture selected in the previous step so there wont be confusion on which "flavors" are available for each arch. Probably someone with more experience in jQuery can do better than me to handle the form as im not used to work with that framework. Hope you like what you see there :) From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu May 1 18:08:38 2008 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:08:38 -0400 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209751512.4010.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1209751512.4010.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1209665318.29415.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:05 -0500, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > Hope you like what you see there :) I like it. All that I think is missing is a link to some place that somebody can get help (like irc or forum or mailing list) for figuring out what their PC is and which option to choose. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri May 2 20:34:23 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:34:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 May 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > ???So I've made some changes to the current layout again using M??ir??n's > mockups (probably somebody might remember the proposal i did a few > months ago). This time i avoided doing just what i though it should be > done and actually asked for some help to get the content that should > appear on the site. > > The proposal is here: http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/index > So one interesting tool we can add to the list which might play out in the work your doing is in Mediawiki's api. http://smolts.org/w/api.php for example (and soon for our own wiki) we could easily make pages that get pulled into feeds here and there with mediawiki. I'm not sure if it something we should do but its worth knowing the ability exists. -mike From jjj at WWTREKKERS.COM Fri May 2 17:08:32 2008 From: jjj at WWTREKKERS.COM (John Kellum) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:08:32 -0400 Subject: help with Fedora core installation Message-ID: <481B4A90.3050904@WWTREKKERS.COM> I want to learn Linux: What is the minimum hardware requirements for Lenox? I understand that you have to download a number of CDs to install Fedora core. Can some or all of it be downloaded to a external hard drive. From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Fri May 2 22:51:19 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 18:51:19 -0400 Subject: help with Fedora core installation In-Reply-To: <481B4A90.3050904@WWTREKKERS.COM> References: <481B4A90.3050904@WWTREKKERS.COM> Message-ID: <1209768679.24162.72.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:08 -0400, John Kellum wrote: > I want to learn Linux: > What is the minimum hardware requirements for Lenox? > I understand that you have to download a number of CDs to install Fedora > core. Can some or all of it be downloaded to a external hard drive. The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to Fedora's websites. For end-user Fedora support, please refer to the help resources described here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From juankprada at gmail.com Sat May 3 03:13:26 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:13:26 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1209784406.31895.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 15:34 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Thu, 1 May 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > > ???So I've made some changes to the current layout again using M??ir??n's > > mockups (probably somebody might remember the proposal i did a few > > months ago). This time i avoided doing just what i though it should be > > done and actually asked for some help to get the content that should > > appear on the site. > > > > The proposal is here: http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/index > > > > So one interesting tool we can add to the list which might play out in the > work your doing is in Mediawiki's api. > > http://smolts.org/w/api.php > > for example (and soon for our own wiki) we could easily make pages that > get pulled into feeds here and there with mediawiki. I'm not sure if it > something we should do but its worth knowing the ability exists. > > -mike > Sounds like a good idea to me, although im wondering if it wont be too difficult to keep translations up to date that way. I think that would be good to use it as feeds for events or such things that are kept in the wiki and doesnt really have an rss feed but not as an entire content management tool. From pribyl at lowlevel.cz Sat May 3 19:29:58 2008 From: pribyl at lowlevel.cz (Adam Pribyl) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:29:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I do not follow the complete discussion. The download is interesting but it's definitely not a "one click" method. For me on your page there is too small font, If I increase it, then especialy "LATEST NEW" collumn gets broken. Adam Pribyl From juankprada at gmail.com Sat May 3 21:31:44 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:31:44 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1209850304.16067.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 21:29 +0200, Adam Pribyl wrote: > I do not follow the complete discussion. The download is interesting but > it's definitely not a "one click" method. > For me on your page there is too small font, If I increase it, then > especialy "LATEST NEW" collumn gets broken. > > Adam Pribyl > Thanks for the feedback!, the thing is im working with firefox 3 in which fp.o content is shown with a huge font size so i decreased it, but im aware of the problem of the news column which i hope to fix soon. Also design (styles, color images) is not my strong so im leaving that to anyone with good sense of style. The "one click" method will be there as a link so people who already know what they want can still get fedora faster. This method is more for new users who dont really know what is what! From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Sat May 3 22:21:36 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 17:21:36 -0500 Subject: Screenshot help wiki page Message-ID: <481CE570.3060002@gmail.com> Posted to both the art and the website list, though it's on the artwork wiki. With help from ricky, we have figured out a relatively easy way to get screenshots of our login screen and RHGB. Hopefully, with a bit of testing, we can confirm that it works with other areas of the boot process. Nonetheless, I posted a wiki page with how to do it with step by step instructions. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ScreenshotHelp -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Sat May 3 22:33:17 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 18:33:17 -0400 Subject: further get-fedora progress Message-ID: Hi all, Working from juank_prada's post as a base: http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora I have been working on the get fedora page and here is my progress thus far: http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-drafts/get-fedora I have some known issues, (some pesky radio buttons via jquery, and the 'un-sure' option), but I thought I'd call for comments and suggestions ahead of next weeks meeting? Thanks for comments, -- Craig From juankprada at gmail.com Sun May 4 05:03:21 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 00:03:21 -0500 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 18:33 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > Hi all, > > Working from juank_prada's post as a base: > > http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora > > I have been working on the get fedora page and here is my progress thus far: > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-drafts/get-fedora > > I have some known issues, (some pesky radio buttons via jquery, and > the 'un-sure' option), but I thought I'd call for comments and > suggestions ahead of next weeks meeting? > > Thanks for comments, > > -- > Craig > ?Thanks Craig for you help and you great work it looks so much better now :) I spent all night trying to fix all errors specially the ones from IE and so far i can say i fixed them (i haven't touched the "not-sure" option yet") It seems IE doesn't recognize variables that are not initialized with the 'var' (so if anyone is modifying again the script leave the 'var' in front of each variable ;) ). So now its fully functional even in IE. check it out and try to download any of the media to see if you can find any error :) ?http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun May 4 07:39:30 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:39:30 +0100 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/4 Juan Camilo Prada : > On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 18:33 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Working from juank_prada's post as a base: > > > > http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora > > > > I have been working on the get fedora page and here is my progress thus far: > > > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-drafts/get-fedora > > > > I have some known issues, (some pesky radio buttons via jquery, and > > the 'un-sure' option), but I thought I'd call for comments and > > suggestions ahead of next weeks meeting? > > > > Thanks for comments, > > > > -- > > Craig > > > > ?Thanks Craig for you help and you great work it looks so much better > now :) > > I spent all night trying to fix all errors specially the ones from IE > and so far i can say i fixed them (i haven't touched the "not-sure" > option yet") It seems IE doesn't recognize variables that are not > initialized with the 'var' (so if anyone is modifying again the script > leave the 'var' in front of each variable ;) ). > > So now its fully functional even in IE. check it out and try to download > any of the media to see if you can find any error :) > > ?http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora I think one thing it could do with is only having one option visible at a time, if that's possible. It would save so much scrolling from being involved :) Great work, Jon From computerman at laptoppcsite.com Sun May 4 10:54:20 2008 From: computerman at laptoppcsite.com (Mikey) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 05:54:20 -0500 Subject: Link exchange with your site http://fedoraproject.org Message-ID: <966389fb00f2ec9e0d571cdb3ada9a6e@www.laptoppcsite.com> Dear Webmaster, My name is Mikey, and I run the web site Laptops: http://www.laptoppcsite.com/ I recently found your site http://fedoraproject.org and am very interested in exchanging links. I've gone ahead and posted a link to your site, on this page: http://www.laptoppcsite.com/arts.html this is only till you modify your listing and place it in the category that you think suits your website best. If you do not want to exchange links simply ignore this email and your link will be removed on the 30/05/2008 if it has not been updated. As you know, reciprocal linking benefits both of us by raising our search rankings and generating more traffic to both of our sites. Please post a link to my site as follows: Title: Laptops URL: http://www.laptoppcsite.com/ Description: We are a computer auction website and cover everything to do with computers. Once you've posted the link, let me know the URL of the page that it's on, by entering it in this form: http://www.laptoppcsite.com/link_exchange.php?ua=_ua9&site_index=MTA3MzM3Nw%3D%3D You can also use that form to make changes to the text of the link to your site, if you'd like. Thank you very much for your, Mikey From katzj at redhat.com Sun May 4 15:04:41 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 11:04:41 -0400 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1209913481.28117.73.camel@aglarond.local> On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 18:33 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > I have been working on the get fedora page and here is my progress thus far: > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-drafts/get-fedora > > I have some known issues, (some pesky radio buttons via jquery, and > the 'un-sure' option), but I thought I'd call for comments and > suggestions ahead of next weeks meeting? > > Thanks for comments, This is looking really nice, IMHO. A few small-ish comments and suggestions (some of which may fall into "very nitpicky" :-) 1) Put the Desktop Live media above the DVD -- more and more this is giving the "experience" that we think is going to be better for a new user 2) Obviously the text isn't final, but it'd be good to have a link to "how do I use this" with the DVD/live media descriptions. That way, we can ensure that people are aware of how to use the live media off of a USB stick 3) "Not sure" pushing people to choosing at the direct download links doesn't seem like it helps the user to make a decision 4) Do we want a link to the release notes and the install guide on the page? There's the generic docs link, but release notes and install guide seem very relevant and putting them front and center could help to guide new users 5) 32 bit vs 64 bit wording makes it seem like you can't run 32 bit on newer Intel processors which isn't true. Not sure how to better present it, though :-/ Maybe just remove the "except..." bits from 32 bit and still have 64 bit call out what it supports? 6) Do we want a link that's basically "Do an install over the network" that just gets you to download boot.iso/netinst.iso? On the one hand, it's something more advanced users really like... on the other hand, the advanced users are less likely to be the people using this page. Also, although we've put a fair bit of work into making this path "better" for Fedora 9, Fedora 10 is when it's going to really rock. So maybe we should just hold off until then. Jeremy From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Sun May 4 15:25:08 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:25:08 -0400 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <1209913481.28117.73.camel@aglarond.local> References: <1209913481.28117.73.camel@aglarond.local> Message-ID: On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 18:33 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > > > I have been working on the get fedora page and here is my progress thus far: > > > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-drafts/get-fedora > > > > I have some known issues, (some pesky radio buttons via jquery, and > > the 'un-sure' option), but I thought I'd call for comments and > > suggestions ahead of next weeks meeting? > > > > Thanks for comments, > > This is looking really nice, IMHO. A few small-ish comments and > suggestions (some of which may fall into "very nitpicky" :-) > > 1) Put the Desktop Live media above the DVD -- more and more this is > giving the "experience" that we think is going to be better for a new > user > 2) Obviously the text isn't final, but it'd be good to have a link to > "how do I use this" with the DVD/live media descriptions. That way, we > can ensure that people are aware of how to use the live media off of a > USB stick Yes, good ideas. > 3) "Not sure" pushing people to choosing at the direct download links > doesn't seem like it helps the user to make a decision Just a note here; known issue, that's one of our pesky radio buttons...the idea is that it's populated and the user has 'no-choice' if they are un-sure...we give them $lowest_common_denominator selections. > 4) Do we want a link to the release notes and the install guide on the > page? There's the generic docs link, but release notes and install > guide seem very relevant and putting them front and center could help to > guide new users Yes. Also, I think the links we have now like 'Want to look around' , 'See all mirrors' etc. > 5) 32 bit vs 64 bit wording makes it seem like you can't run 32 bit on > newer Intel processors which isn't true. Not sure how to better present > it, though :-/ Maybe just remove the "except..." bits from 32 bit and > still have 64 bit call out what it supports? Good point, and I would think we would feed the 'un-sure' user's the 32 bit live media (CD) so making it clear it does work would be important. > 6) Do we want a link that's basically "Do an install over the network" > that just gets you to download boot.iso/netinst.iso? On the one hand, > it's something more advanced users really like... on the other hand, the > advanced users are less likely to be the people using this page. Also, > although we've put a fair bit of work into making this path "better" for > Fedora 9, Fedora 10 is when it's going to really rock. So maybe we > should just hold off until then. We are targeting F10 for these changes, F9 is too close IMO. Thanks for taking the time to review and make comments, it's very helpful. -- Craig From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Sun May 4 15:34:53 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:34:53 -0400 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/5/4 Juan Camilo Prada : > > > On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 18:33 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Working from juank_prada's post as a base: > > > > > > http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora > > > > > > I have been working on the get fedora page and here is my progress thus far: > > > > > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-drafts/get-fedora > > > > > > I have some known issues, (some pesky radio buttons via jquery, and > > > the 'un-sure' option), but I thought I'd call for comments and > > > suggestions ahead of next weeks meeting? > > > > > > Thanks for comments, > > > > > > -- > > > Craig > > > > > > > ?Thanks Craig for you help and you great work it looks so much better > > now :) > > > > I spent all night trying to fix all errors specially the ones from IE > > and so far i can say i fixed them (i haven't touched the "not-sure" > > option yet") It seems IE doesn't recognize variables that are not > > initialized with the 'var' (so if anyone is modifying again the script > > leave the 'var' in front of each variable ;) ). > > > > So now its fully functional even in IE. check it out and try to download > > any of the media to see if you can find any error :) > > > > ?http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora > > I think one thing it could do with is only having one option visible > at a time, if that's possible. It would save so much scrolling from > being involved :) Do you mean if a user selects 32 bit, 64bit and ppc disappear altogether? same with the other sections? I thought of this and played with it a bit. (If that was not your comment, please ignore me and also please clarify?) As a user I am mostly disconcerted with things disappearing from and appearing on the screen. There are exceptions, and I think this idea is worth playing with more. It would really clean up the screen, but I am not sure it would change the distracting scrolling we have now. It in fact may make it worse: 1-User selects 32 bit, the other options disappear, and the 'flavor' sections shows up, and scrolls the page a little to make room for itself. 2-The user selects a custom spin, the flavor sections shrinks, page scrolls a little, the spins section grows, page scrolls a little. 3-User selects GAMEs spin, custom spins sections shrinks, page scrolls, download options appears, page scrolls... Anyway, I am going to play around with this idea some more... Thanks for the comments, -- Craig > Great work, > > Jon > > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun May 4 15:41:57 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:41:57 +0100 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> > Do you mean if a user selects 32 bit, 64bit and ppc disappear > altogether? same with the other sections? I thought of this and > played with it a bit. (If that was not your comment, please ignore > me and also please clarify?) Urm...what I meant was that once the user had selected the architecture they want, is there any need for that section to remain visible? It could discretely slide away, and then the next section slide out. But reading below, it sounds like that's what you were thinking and you have questions about! I'd like to see how it looks in practice, but it sounds like you have doubts about this approach... Do others have an opinion on this? Best wishes, Jon From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Sun May 4 15:52:28 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:52:28 -0400 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Do you mean if a user selects 32 bit, 64bit and ppc disappear > > altogether? same with the other sections? I thought of this and > > played with it a bit. (If that was not your comment, please ignore > > me and also please clarify?) > > Urm...what I meant was that once the user had selected the > architecture they want, is there any need for that section to remain > visible? It could discretely slide away, and then the next section > slide out. But reading below, it sounds like that's what you were > thinking and you have questions about! I'd like to see how it looks in > practice, but it sounds like you have doubts about this approach... Ah, got it, and I like it! One section at a time...that could be great, I'll play with this and post results. Thank you. -- Craig > Do others have an opinion on this? > > Best wishes, > > Jon > From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Sun May 4 16:33:08 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:33:08 -0400 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Craig Thomas wrote: > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: > > > Do you mean if a user selects 32 bit, 64bit and ppc disappear > > > altogether? same with the other sections? I thought of this and > > > played with it a bit. (If that was not your comment, please ignore > > > me and also please clarify?) > > > > Urm...what I meant was that once the user had selected the > > architecture they want, is there any need for that section to remain > > visible? It could discretely slide away, and then the next section > > slide out. But reading below, it sounds like that's what you were > > thinking and you have questions about! I'd like to see how it looks in > > practice, but it sounds like you have doubts about this approach... > > Ah, got it, and I like it! One section at a time...that could be > great, I'll play with this and post results. Something like this ? http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora -- Craig > Thank you. > > -- > Craig > > > > > > Do others have an opinion on this? > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jon > > > From juankprada at gmail.com Sun May 4 16:43:47 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 11:43:47 -0500 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1209919427.3311.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 11:52 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: > > > Do you mean if a user selects 32 bit, 64bit and ppc disappear > > > altogether? same with the other sections? I thought of this and > > > played with it a bit. (If that was not your comment, please ignore > > > me and also please clarify?) > > > > Urm...what I meant was that once the user had selected the > > architecture they want, is there any need for that section to remain > > visible? It could discretely slide away, and then the next section > > slide out. But reading below, it sounds like that's what you were > > thinking and you have questions about! I'd like to see how it looks in > > practice, but it sounds like you have doubts about this approach... > > Ah, got it, and I like it! One section at a time...that could be > great, I'll play with this and post results. > > Thank you. > > -- > Craig > > > > Do others have an opinion on this? > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jon > > Im not sure that's something good to do, what if the user after selecting the architecture (i.e X86_64) realizes that there is no KDE live media and he really wants that, so the architecture section will disappear and he wont have the chance to choose again? ... -- Juan Camilo Prada From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun May 4 17:01:46 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:01:46 +0100 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/4 Craig Thomas : > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Craig Thomas wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Roberts > > wrote: > > > > Do you mean if a user selects 32 bit, 64bit and ppc disappear > > > > altogether? same with the other sections? I thought of this and > > > > played with it a bit. (If that was not your comment, please ignore > > > > me and also please clarify?) > > > > > > Urm...what I meant was that once the user had selected the > > > architecture they want, is there any need for that section to remain > > > visible? It could discretely slide away, and then the next section > > > slide out. But reading below, it sounds like that's what you were > > > thinking and you have questions about! I'd like to see how it looks in > > > practice, but it sounds like you have doubts about this approach... > > > > Ah, got it, and I like it! One section at a time...that could be > > great, I'll play with this and post results. > > Something like this ? > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora OK, wow :) I'd love to know how you've done that, the work both of you have done has been awesome! In response to Juan's concerns in an e-mail later than this though, I see what he means and it's definitely something that needs to be considered. What about a stackable style thing? So each retracts back into a tiered set of tabs which can be clicked to reveal past options? I have no idea if this is even possible! Best wishes, Jon From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Sun May 4 17:52:47 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:52:47 -0400 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/5/4 Craig Thomas : > > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Craig Thomas wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Roberts > > > wrote: > > > > > Do you mean if a user selects 32 bit, 64bit and ppc disappear > > > > > altogether? same with the other sections? I thought of this and > > > > > played with it a bit. (If that was not your comment, please ignore > > > > > me and also please clarify?) > > > > > > > > Urm...what I meant was that once the user had selected the > > > > architecture they want, is there any need for that section to remain > > > > visible? It could discretely slide away, and then the next section > > > > slide out. But reading below, it sounds like that's what you were > > > > thinking and you have questions about! I'd like to see how it looks in > > > > practice, but it sounds like you have doubts about this approach... > > > > > > Ah, got it, and I like it! One section at a time...that could be > > > great, I'll play with this and post results. > > > > Something like this ? > > > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora > > OK, wow :) I'd love to know how you've done that, the work both of you > have done has been awesome! Javascript and CSS, we are using jQuery. > In response to Juan's concerns in an e-mail later than this though, I > see what he means and it's definitely something that needs to be > considered. What about a stackable style thing? So each retracts back > into a tiered set of tabs which can be clicked to reveal past options? > I have no idea if this is even possible! Of course the user would be able to alter a selection, we are trying to make this esaier after-all :-} I have posted an update, that allows just that...(it may still mis-behave a little but this is not meant as a finished work). http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora Comments? -- Craig > Best wishes, > > Jon > From pribyl at lowlevel.cz Sun May 4 18:09:30 2008 From: pribyl at lowlevel.cz (Adam Pribyl) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:09:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 May 2008, Craig Thomas wrote: >> > >> > Something like this ? >> > >> > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora >> >> OK, wow :) I'd love to know how you've done that, the work both of you >> have done has been awesome! > > Javascript and CSS, we are using jQuery. > This looks very good! Just: 1. there has to be obvisou way how to get back (now clicking on "Step" is fine, but it's not very clear. At least changing the cursort to "link" hand above it would make it better) 2. Please take in mind this page has to be 99% IE 6,7 compatible (1% are those rounded corners :). There is 22% of IE users on fp.o pages. On get-fedora maybe even more. > -- > Craig > Adam Pribyl From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Sun May 4 18:43:31 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 14:43:31 -0400 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Adam Pribyl wrote: > On Sun, 4 May 2008, Craig Thomas wrote: > 1. there has to be obvisou way how to get back (now clicking on "Step" is > fine, but it's not very clear. At least changing the cursort to "link" hand > above it would make it better) I have updated the cursor to be the pointer/hand for both the section headers and labels of options...not sure what else to do? > 2. Please take in mind this page has to be 99% IE 6,7 compatible (1% are > those rounded corners :). There is 22% of IE users on fp.o pages. On > get-fedora maybe even more. Yes, I know :-} we do have those exact same round corners on the current get-fedora page, which I think is nice, so I used them with no regard for the browsers that can't render them; perhaps that is wrong... -- Craig From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 5 05:48:58 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 11:18:58 +0530 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <481E9FCA.1050606@fedoraproject.org> Craig Thomas wrote: > > I have posted an update, that allows just that...(it may still > mis-behave a little but this is not meant as a finished work). > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora > > Comments? Desktop live cd should be the first choice as Jeremy Katz indicated. There seems to be a large amount of spacing in between choices which can be reduced. Torrent should be a first choice. Choice of a network installation and direct link to mirrors. There should be a link to the release summary which then links to release notes, installation guide etc. Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Mon May 5 06:04:02 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 01:04:02 -0500 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <481E9FCA.1050606@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> <481E9FCA.1050606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1209967442.21205.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 11:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Craig Thomas wrote: > > > > > I have posted an update, that allows just that...(it may still > > mis-behave a little but this is not meant as a finished work). > > > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora > > > > Comments? > > Desktop live cd should be the first choice as Jeremy Katz indicated. > There seems to be a large amount of spacing in between choices which can > be reduced. Torrent should be a first choice. Choice of a network > installation and direct link to mirrors. > thanks for the feedback, we will take that into account. Also Direct link to mirrors will be there not only as an option but as a fall back in case no javascript is enabled in user's browser > There should be a link to the release summary which then links to > release notes, installation guide etc. > Definitely those are going to appear there :) -- Juan Camilo Prada From stickster at gmail.com Mon May 5 13:18:54 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 09:18:54 -0400 Subject: Board Election dates Message-ID: <1209993534.4711.85.camel@localhost.localdomain> I would like to set aside the following period for Board elections. FESCo skunked me on our first choice, but the early bird catches the worm! :-) --> June 13-22 This 10-day period encompasses two weekends, on purpose. Please put these dates on "hold" for the Board, and I'll be in touch with Toshio with the slate of nominees, including all those who've piped up publicly thus far. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From juankprada at gmail.com Mon May 5 21:22:15 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 16:22:15 -0500 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 22:48 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > It seems most people have filled in the wiki matrix now, so can I > suggest 2300 UTC on Thursday 8th May? > > I'll get the agenda updated on Websites/Meetings in the next few days... > > Best, > > Jon Can we delay a bit the meeting? maybe for 02:00 UTC on same day (Thursday 8th May) ? I just talked to M?ir?n and i would really like her to attend the meeting as i think she can contribute a lot to the new ideas that are being discussed. The problem is, its hard for her to attend between 2200 - 2400 UTC, so can we set it for 0200 UTC? According to the wiki matrix thats a good time too as most people can attend at that time. -- Juan Camilo Prada From eric at epkphoto.com Mon May 5 21:38:33 2008 From: eric at epkphoto.com (Eric Kerby) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:38:33 -0400 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On May 5, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > Can we delay a bit the meeting? maybe for 02:00 UTC on same day > (Thursday 8th May) ? > > I just talked to M??ir? n and i would really like her to attend the > meeting as i think she can contribute a lot to the new ideas that are > being discussed. The problem is, its hard for her to attend between > 2200 > - 2400 UTC, so can we set it for 0200 UTC? According to the wiki > matrix > thats a good time too as most people can attend at that time. > > -- > Juan Camilo Prada I would like to +1 Juan's suggestion to slightly move the meeting. I have a one-time event happening this week that will barely not allow me to make 2300 UTC. 0200 UTC would be preferable. Thanks, Eric Kerby From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon May 5 21:43:39 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:43:39 -0400 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> On 2008-05-05 04:22:15 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > Can we delay a bit the meeting? maybe for 02:00 UTC on same day > (Thursday 8th May) ? > > I just talked to M?ir?n and i would really like her to attend the > meeting as i think she can contribute a lot to the new ideas that are > being discussed. The problem is, its hard for her to attend between 2200 > - 2400 UTC, so can we set it for 0200 UTC? According to the wiki matrix > thats a good time too as most people can attend at that time. +1 if we can get M?ir?n as well :-) Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon May 5 21:54:37 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:54:37 -0400 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <481E9FCA.1050606@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> <481E9FCA.1050606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <481F821D.90804@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Craig Thomas wrote: > >> >> I have posted an update, that allows just that...(it may still >> mis-behave a little but this is not meant as a finished work). >> >> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora >> >> Comments? > > Desktop live cd should be the first choice as Jeremy Katz indicated. > There seems to be a large amount of spacing in between choices which can > be reduced. Torrent should be a first choice. Choice of a network > installation and direct link to mirrors. > > There should be a link to the release summary which then links to > release notes, installation guide etc. Attached is a paper mockup I did a while back with Jeremy, what do you think? ~m -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: get-fedora-mockup.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 58048 bytes Desc: not available URL: From juankprada at gmail.com Mon May 5 22:18:41 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:18:41 -0500 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <481F821D.90804@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> <481E9FCA.1050606@fedoraproject.org> <481F821D.90804@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1210025921.3244.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 17:54 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Craig Thomas wrote: > > > >> > >> I have posted an update, that allows just that...(it may still > >> mis-behave a little but this is not meant as a finished work). > >> > >> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora > >> > >> Comments? > > > > Desktop live cd should be the first choice as Jeremy Katz indicated. > > There seems to be a large amount of spacing in between choices which can > > be reduced. Torrent should be a first choice. Choice of a network > > installation and direct link to mirrors. > > > > There should be a link to the release summary which then links to > > release notes, installation guide etc. > > Attached is a paper mockup I did a while back with Jeremy, what do you > think? > > ~m We definitely are going to integrate some explanatory text and a better interface. And of course the links to "how to use the file" and the installation guides will be there. Im not sure about hiding KDE and spins as "other options" as it would rest importance to those versions, what we are trying to do is exactly the opposite by trying to show all available options at the same level, specially with Spins. Also those icons-like things ;) ... we are looking for some that fits each option in the selection process, current ones from fp.o are too big and there is not one for each option, probably you could help us here with your great designs M?ir?n! :) -- Juan Camilo Prada From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Mon May 5 23:16:06 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:16:06 -0400 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <1210025921.3244.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> <481E9FCA.1050606@fedoraproject.org> <481F821D.90804@fedoraproject.org> <1210025921.3244.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 17:54 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Craig Thomas wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> I have posted an update, that allows just that...(it may still > > >> mis-behave a little but this is not meant as a finished work). > > >> > > >> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora > > >> > > >> Comments? > > > > > > Desktop live cd should be the first choice as Jeremy Katz indicated. > > > There seems to be a large amount of spacing in between choices which can > > > be reduced. Torrent should be a first choice. Choice of a network > > > installation and direct link to mirrors. > > > > > > There should be a link to the release summary which then links to > > > release notes, installation guide etc. > > > > Attached is a paper mockup I did a while back with Jeremy, what do you > > think? Hi, I think it could be really nice as a 'landing page' for get-fedora. It has _lots_ about the whole process...which we need. Yet, it is visually appealing and simple and not busy; nice. Also, thinking that we are hopefully adding spins all the time, and maybe even arch's, this seems to grow without really getting 'more' or 'bigger' in that the content we link to will be new/updated and expanding, but not this page. Did you have an idea for 'adv users'? or is that just a link to torrents.fp.o ? > > We definitely are going to integrate some explanatory text and a better > interface. And of course the links to "how to use the file" and the > installation guides will be there. > > Im not sure about hiding KDE and spins as "other options" as it would > rest importance to those versions, what we are trying to do is exactly > the opposite by trying to show all available options at the same level, > specially with Spins. I am not sure what to do here either, as we need to embrace the spins. Yet, how can we make it simple for new users to get what they need if we show all the spins? this is definitely worth discussing at the meeting. > > Also those icons-like things ;) ... we are looking for some that fits > each option in the selection process, current ones from fp.o are too big > and there is not one for each option, probably you could help us here > with your great designs M?ir?n! :) Yeah :-} ...what he said! -- Craig From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Tue May 6 01:00:47 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:00:47 -0400 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> Message-ID: 2008/5/5 Ricky Zhou : > On 2008-05-05 04:22:15 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > Can we delay a bit the meeting? maybe for 02:00 UTC on same day > > (Thursday 8th May) ? > > > > I just talked to M?ir?n and i would really like her to attend the > > meeting as i think she can contribute a lot to the new ideas that are > > being discussed. The problem is, its hard for her to attend between 2200 > > - 2400 UTC, so can we set it for 0200 UTC? According to the wiki matrix > > thats a good time too as most people can attend at that time. > +1 if we can get M?ir?n as well :-) +1 -- Craig From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 6 03:43:28 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 09:13:28 +0530 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <481F821D.90804@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> <481E9FCA.1050606@fedoraproject.org> <481F821D.90804@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <481FD3E0.2020304@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Attached is a paper mockup I did a while back with Jeremy, what do you > think? I think the mockup gets several things right. It clearly shows the desktop x86 version as the "default" choice. If 90% of people are downloading x86 version and using Fedora on the desktop/laptop (we have metrics), optimizing for that use case avoids the confusion of understanding and mapping x86, x86_64 etc to user systems and picking from a myriad of other choices. It has help options throughout the page. The fact that live cd can be converted to bootable USB images or installed to the hard disk should be highlighted better. Instead of recommending the DVD image for upgrading from previous releases, leading them to a page that promotes the preupgrade option first might be a better choice. Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Tue May 6 03:57:23 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 22:57:23 -0500 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <481FD3E0.2020304@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> <481E9FCA.1050606@fedoraproject.org> <481F821D.90804@fedoraproject.org> <481FD3E0.2020304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1210046243.9162.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 09:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > > > Attached is a paper mockup I did a while back with Jeremy, what do you > > think? > > I think the mockup gets several things right. It clearly shows the > desktop x86 version as the "default" choice. If 90% of people are > downloading x86 version and using Fedora on the desktop/laptop (we have > metrics), optimizing for that use case avoids the confusion of > understanding and mapping x86, x86_64 etc to user systems and picking > from a myriad of other choices. It has help options throughout the > page. The fact that live cd can be converted to bootable USB images or > installed to the hard disk should be highlighted better. > Couldnt it be that the most downloaded version is Desktop x86 because we are not highlighting the other options (right now to see spins you have to scroll down the page and get to the mirror listing). You might be right, but then i still think Spins should be highlighted too as we are promoting Spins as a fedora feature since fedora 7. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 6 04:21:47 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 09:51:47 +0530 Subject: further get-fedora progress In-Reply-To: <1210046243.9162.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209877401.12615.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040039s393ee39bvfe93883788ebe6c2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805040841l195c21f7k6d45238d49237955@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805041001o157c0fd6n4f7e6559f335b06c@mail.gmail.com> <481E9FCA.1050606@fedoraproject.org> <481F821D.90804@fedoraproject.org> <481FD3E0.2020304@fedoraproject.org> <1210046243.9162.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <481FDCDB.5040304@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: >> > Couldnt it be that the most downloaded version is Desktop x86 because we > are not highlighting the other options (right now to see spins you have > to scroll down the page and get to the mirror listing). You might be > right, but then i still think Spins should be highlighted too as we are > promoting Spins as a fedora feature since fedora 7. Sure, you can promote spins but not necessarily in a way that equates them with our primary option. The side box in your mockup is a good lead. Spins inherently cover niches and while they may be just the right choice for some people, it won't ever be the large majority. I maintain 2 of them (games and xfce) and have already proposed dozens more with one more important one I am working on. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins/Agenda I wouldn't put everything on the same page simply because you are not going to be able to accommodate them all together very soon. Rahul From joe131 at excite.com Mon May 5 17:47:14 2008 From: joe131 at excite.com (Joe Siebenmann) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora distribution.. Message-ID: <20080505174714.17F3A4AF98@xprdmxin.myway.com> Hi, Fedora is great, but I see that the only way left to download the whole distribution is to get the whole DVD iso image in one shot. :-\ Only a handful of people have internet speeds fast enough to get that whole image in any reasonable length of time. If you have anything like DSL, it would take WAY too long to try and download the whole thing. You should, at least, have it broken-up into several CD images, the way you use to. Keep the DVD images, but somewhere, give people a chance to download CD images or something smaller. It takes awhile to download each one, but it beats the heck out of not being able to download anything at all.. Thanks, and keep up the good work! :-) Joe Siebenmann _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From ismetdere at gmail.com Tue May 6 04:12:35 2008 From: ismetdere at gmail.com (Ismet Dere) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:12:35 +0800 Subject: I would like to help out with website maintenance Message-ID: hi All, I'm a longtime Redhat & Fedora user I would like to help out with website maintenance how to do that? best, ismet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harald at redhat.com Tue May 6 06:03:59 2008 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:03:59 +0200 Subject: Todo queue Message-ID: <481FF4CF.5010809@redhat.com> When I log in, I see this: Todo queue: * digantab requests approval to join gitsystem-config-network. How can I deny/disapprove digantab's request? How can I clear the queue? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3636 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From harald at redhat.com Tue May 6 06:06:40 2008 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:06:40 +0200 Subject: Todo queue In-Reply-To: <481FF4CF.5010809@redhat.com> References: <481FF4CF.5010809@redhat.com> Message-ID: <481FF570.5060807@redhat.com> Harald Hoyer wrote: > When I log in, I see this: > > Todo queue: > * digantab requests approval to join gitsystem-config-network. > > > > How can I deny/disapprove digantab's request? > How can I clear the queue? ok, found it... "remove" from group -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3636 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From youfychenbc5000 at gmail.com Tue May 6 06:22:53 2008 From: youfychenbc5000 at gmail.com (benny chen) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 18:22:53 +1200 Subject: Regards to Wiki editing Message-ID: <1210054973.3192.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Sorry if I emailed this to the wrong place. I was trying to join the Fedora project, and i had an FAS account, benjibc, and signed the CLA. Then I went to create a wiki account, BenjiChen. I have signed CLA, but I cannot even create my own page. Just wondering if I did something wrong. Thank you very much for your time, and looking forward for the reply. From mostafa at daneshvar.org.uk Tue May 6 14:16:45 2008 From: mostafa at daneshvar.org.uk (Mostafa Daneshvar) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:46:45 +0430 Subject: Regards to Wiki editing In-Reply-To: <1210054973.3192.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1210054973.3192.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200805061846.50211.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> On Se shanbe 17 Ordibehesht 1387 10:52:53 benny chen wrote: > Hi > Sorry if I emailed this to the wrong place. > I was trying to join the Fedora project, and i had an FAS account, > benjibc, and signed the CLA. Then I went to create a wiki account, > BenjiChen. I have signed CLA, but I cannot even create my own page. > Just wondering if I did something wrong. > Thank you very much for your time, and looking forward for the reply. Have a look on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue -- Mostafa Baloch http://www.mdaneshvar.ir -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From fab at fedoraproject.org Tue May 6 18:56:20 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 20:56:20 +0200 Subject: Fedora distribution.. In-Reply-To: <20080505174714.17F3A4AF98@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20080505174714.17F3A4AF98@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <4820A9D4.905@fedoraproject.org> Joe Siebenmann wrote: > Fedora is great, but I see that the only way left to > download the whole distribution is to get the whole DVD iso > image in one shot. :-\ No, it's still possible to mirror the installation tree to a local machine to get the whole distribution. > Only a handful of people have internet speeds fast enough to > get that whole image in any reasonable length of time. > If you have anything like DSL, it would take WAY too long to > try and download the whole thing. There are several alternative ways of installing Fedora on a machine - Installation over the internet (boot.iso 9.2MB [1] or the Fedora-8-i386-rescuecd.iso 103M [2]) - Installation from a local mirror (same images as above) - Live media (around 700MB [3]) > You should, at least, have it broken-up into several CD images, > the way you use to. Keep the DVD images, but somewhere, give > people a chance to download CD images or something smaller. Fedora Unity provides CD sets [4] or start with a LiveCD. Kind regards Fabian [1] http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/os/images/ [2] http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/iso/ [3] http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/fedora/linux/releases/8/Live/ [4] http://spins.fedoraunity.org/spins From jonstanley at gmail.com Tue May 6 19:17:18 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:17:18 -0400 Subject: Fedora distribution.. In-Reply-To: <20080505174714.17F3A4AF98@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20080505174714.17F3A4AF98@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Joe Siebenmann wrote: > You should, at least, have it broken-up into several CD images, > the way you use to. Keep the DVD images, but somewhere, give > people a chance to download CD images or something smaller. Note that with the release of Fedora 9, we will once again begin to host CD sets on the mirrors. Also, we will be supporting jigdo downloading of the CD set as well as the DVD. It's also worth noting that the DVD is not the "entire distribution" but just those pieces that are picked out to be on the installation media. The actual distro is larger than what will fit on even a dual-layer DVD. Thanks! -Jon. From palazzot at fedoraproject.org Tue May 6 19:16:04 2008 From: palazzot at fedoraproject.org (Marco Palazzotti) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 21:16:04 +0200 Subject: Wrong link Message-ID: <4820AE74.1060008@fedoraproject.org> In http://fedoraproject.org/it/ "Events" is linked to "Legal". Please correct soon because we are starting F9 Release Events next days. Cheers, Marco -- Marco Emanuel Palazzotti Fedora Ambassador for Italy http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MarcoPalazzotti palazzot at fedoraproject.org From communicaid at searchsciencesclients.co.uk Wed May 7 01:31:17 2008 From: communicaid at searchsciencesclients.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?communicaid@searchsciencesclients=2Eco=2Euk?=) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 02:31:17 +0100 Subject: fedoraproject.org Message-ID: Hi We are a respected global provider of language and cultural training services. We are looking for new online relationships. We originally found you by searching for `German language support` but in fact we`re looking for relationships with good quality advisory, review, information and professional services sites related to languages and culture. There are two options: 1) We can hand write some decent content for you to add to a page on fedoraproject.org. This will be relevant to both of our sites and will contain a single text link in it back to a relevant content page on our site. - OR - 2) We can trade links with you, directly from a relevant content page on communicaid.com. We will explain where links are located (on properly indexed and ranked pages) when you reply. We can either do this directly or as a `three way` type link if you prefer. There are no costs associated with either approach. If neither option is appropriate for you, please accept my sincere apologies for having troubled you. Hope to hear back from you. Kind Regards - Declan Mulkeen Marketing Director, www.communicaid.com RELEVANCE, PRIVACY AND OPT-OUT COMPLIANCE WITH THE CAN-SPAM ACT 2003 We only send partnership invitations requests to carefully selected partners. We work hard to ensure that all requests are relevant and appropriate but no process is perfect. If our request has offended you in any way, please accept our sincere apologies. If you do not wish to receive further invitations from us, please email us at communicaidunsubscribe at searchsciencesclients.co.uk. This will add you to our exclusions database. Your request WILL be respected (please allow up to 24 hours for our system to catch up). Please note that if you are an existing partner we may need to contact you with regard to the relationship from time to time. Our postal address is publically available on our website at www.communicaid.com From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed May 7 04:09:14 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 00:09:14 -0400 Subject: F9 Launch Banner Message-ID: <48212B6A.5020909@fedoraproject.org> Hey folks, So it looks like we need a banner for the front page of FPO for the F9 launch. I think Ricky and tw2113 were working taking screenshots of F9 for the website. Do you guys have those screenshots publicly accessible somewhere? I'm thinking we could use them for the banner. Our tagline is: "Fedora 9. Make Waves." A couple of ideas for the main banner layout to correspond with this: 1) Have three screenshots that are all shined-up and blinged-up in three portal things with small, glowing pieces of sulphur surrounding them. Think three bottles of cold brew in ice, except the gleaming sulphur crystals are the ice and the screenshots are the brew. :) Pro: blingy, easy to do quickly. Con: Tagline is about waves, and this emphasizes sulphur. 2) Have three screenshots emerge from the water in a dark cave-like environment (ala http://www.simplenomics.com/wp-images/beowulf'sangelinajolie.jpg). The edges of the screenshots are glowing and cast bright reflections in the rippled water. Pro: fits with tagline, blingy. Con: Might take longer to do. If we keep the banner text-free (no translations to worry about) then we can just have the byline run along top the graphic in plaintext. Whatchu think? Any other ideas? ~m From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed May 7 10:54:39 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 06:54:39 -0400 Subject: F9 Launch Banner In-Reply-To: <48212B6A.5020909@fedoraproject.org> References: <48212B6A.5020909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080507105439.GD8989@Max> On 2008-05-07 12:09:14 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > So it looks like we need a banner for the front page of FPO for the F9 > launch. I think Ricky and tw2113 were working taking screenshots of F9 for > the website. Do you guys have those screenshots publicly accessible > somewhere? I'm thinking we could use them for the banner. > > Our tagline is: "Fedora 9. Make Waves." > > A couple of ideas for the main banner layout to correspond with this: > > 1) Have three screenshots that are all shined-up and blinged-up in three > portal things with small, glowing pieces of sulphur surrounding them. Think > three bottles of cold brew in ice, except the gleaming sulphur crystals are > the ice and the screenshots are the brew. :) Pro: blingy, easy to do > quickly. Con: Tagline is about waves, and this emphasizes sulphur. > > 2) Have three screenshots emerge from the water in a dark cave-like > environment (ala > http://www.simplenomics.com/wp-images/beowulf'sangelinajolie.jpg). The > edges of the screenshots are glowing and cast bright reflections in the > rippled water. Pro: fits with tagline, blingy. Con: Might take longer to > do. > > If we keep the banner text-free (no translations to worry about) then we > can just have the byline run along top the graphic in plaintext. Good idea :-) We should have screenshots in the git repo and on the test website at http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed May 7 12:15:16 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:15:16 -0400 Subject: Wrong link In-Reply-To: <4820AE74.1060008@fedoraproject.org> References: <4820AE74.1060008@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080507121516.GF8989@Max> On 2008-05-06 09:16:04 PM, Marco Palazzotti wrote: > In http://fedoraproject.org/it/ "Events" is linked to "Legal". > Please correct soon because we are starting F9 Release Events next days. Thanks for catching this, the link should be fixed now. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Wed May 7 14:30:28 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 May 2008, Craig Thomas wrote: >> > Can we delay a bit the meeting? maybe for 02:00 UTC on same day >> > (Thursday 8th May) ? >> > >> > I just talked to M?ir?n and i would really like her to attend the >> > meeting as i think she can contribute a lot to the new ideas that >> > are being discussed. The problem is, its hard for her to attend >> > between 2200 - 2400 UTC, so can we set it for 0200 UTC? According >> > to the wiki matrix thats a good time too as most people can attend >> > at that time. Now I'm confused. JonRob, when is our next meeting? :) --Max From juankprada at gmail.com Wed May 7 16:46:44 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 11:46:44 -0500 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> Message-ID: <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 10:30 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2008, Craig Thomas wrote: > > >> > Can we delay a bit the meeting? maybe for 02:00 UTC on same day > >> > (Thursday 8th May) ? > >> > > >> > I just talked to M?ir?n and i would really like her to attend the > >> > meeting as i think she can contribute a lot to the new ideas that > >> > are being discussed. The problem is, its hard for her to attend > >> > between 2200 - 2400 UTC, so can we set it for 0200 UTC? According > >> > to the wiki matrix thats a good time too as most people can attend > >> > at that time. > > Now I'm confused. > > JonRob, when is our next meeting? :) > > --Max Lets settle this now, i dont feel like leaving this decision for tomorrow. So is it going to be at 2300 UTC or 0200 UTC? -- Juan Camilo Prada From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed May 7 16:50:38 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 17:50:38 +0100 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0805070950jba0afc8o1860ce66f0f02d0c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/7 Juan Camilo Prada : > > On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 10:30 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > > On Mon, 5 May 2008, Craig Thomas wrote: > > > > >> > Can we delay a bit the meeting? maybe for 02:00 UTC on same day > > >> > (Thursday 8th May) ? > > >> > > > >> > I just talked to M?ir?n and i would really like her to attend the > > >> > meeting as i think she can contribute a lot to the new ideas that > > >> > are being discussed. The problem is, its hard for her to attend > > >> > between 2200 - 2400 UTC, so can we set it for 0200 UTC? According > > >> > to the wiki matrix thats a good time too as most people can attend > > >> > at that time. > > > > Now I'm confused. > > > > JonRob, when is our next meeting? :) > > > > --Max > > Lets settle this now, i dont feel like leaving this decision for > tomorrow. So is it going to be at 2300 UTC or 0200 UTC? Let's call it 0200 UTC as it seems that's what most people are in favour of. If somebody will record a log I'll minute it still but won't be at the meeting as 3am is way too late for a meeting :p Best wishes, Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Wed May 7 17:47:04 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805070950jba0afc8o1860ce66f0f02d0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805070950jba0afc8o1860ce66f0f02d0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Let's call it 0200 UTC as it seems that's what most people are in > favour of. If somebody will record a log I'll minute it still but > won't be at the meeting as 3am is way too late for a meeting :p So that means Friday 0200 UTC, which means very late Thursday night for those of us in the US and the middle of the night for anyone in Europe? That seems like a very strange time to hold a meeting, and certainly not a time that I would want to be the "regular" meeting time for the team. --Max From jonstanley at gmail.com Wed May 7 22:47:29 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 18:47:29 -0400 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805070950jba0afc8o1860ce66f0f02d0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > That seems like a very strange time to hold a meeting, and certainly not a > time that I would want to be the "regular" meeting time for the team. Two things: 1) I'm annoyed that this list has it's reply_goes_to_list option is set to 'Poster' on this list - it makes me have to explicitly hit reply to all, or change the recipients. 2) As for the meeting time, while I agree that you won't get the best turnout at that time, you will get *different* turnout, from those here in the US that have conflicts with $dayjob. I'd suggest doing one of these a month or something. And I can't believe that JonRob finds 3am a strange time for a meting. Fedora never sleeps, you didn't get that memo? :) From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed May 7 22:55:05 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 18:55:05 -0400 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805070950jba0afc8o1860ce66f0f02d0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080507225505.GB26815@Max> On 2008-05-07 06:47:29 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: > 1) I'm annoyed that this list has it's reply_goes_to_list option is > set to 'Poster' on this list - it makes me have to explicitly hit > reply to all, or change the recipients. Aw. This is so that replying to webmaster at fp.o emails works sanely (otherwise, you have to copy/paste their email to be CCed). Mailman's docs also strongly recommend this setting, and I guess it could be usefulfor the case where you want to respond to something privately. Thanks, RIcky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed May 7 23:04:49 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:04:49 +0100 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805070950jba0afc8o1860ce66f0f02d0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805071604mc768ac9h33e5f968dc4fc13e@mail.gmail.com> > 2) As for the meeting time, while I agree that you won't get the best > turnout at that time, you will get *different* turnout, from those > here in the US that have conflicts with $dayjob. I'd suggest doing > one of these a month or something. And I can't believe that JonRob > finds 3am a strange time for a meting. Fedora never sleeps, you > didn't get that memo? :) OK, it's a fair point - not the 3am comment (however dedicated I am :p) - one a month might be reasonable, depending on how things go. As for tomorrow, and a regular meeting time, I think there are 3 possibilities - and forgive me if I'm wrong because it's getting late here already! 0200 UTC any day 2000 UTC mondays 2300 UTC any day They look like the most probable. For tomorrow, are people either a) happy to go with 0200 and we'll figure out something better in the coming week or b) happy to go with 2000? - clearly 2300 isn't an option for tomorrow. Any brighter ideas are *welcome*. Best, Jon From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed May 7 23:09:28 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 19:09:28 -0400 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805071604mc768ac9h33e5f968dc4fc13e@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805070950jba0afc8o1860ce66f0f02d0c@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805071604mc768ac9h33e5f968dc4fc13e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080507230928.GC26815@Max> On 2008-05-08 12:04:49 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 0200 UTC any day > 2000 UTC mondays > 2300 UTC any day > > They look like the most probable. For tomorrow, are people either a) > happy to go with 0200 and we'll figure out something better in the > coming week or b) happy to go with 2000? - clearly 2300 isn't an > option for tomorrow. I'll pretty much never be able to make 20:00 :-(, 02:00 and 23:00 (plus anything at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix) are both fine for me, though. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Wed May 7 23:58:50 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 19:58:50 -0400 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20080507230928.GC26815@Max> References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805070950jba0afc8o1860ce66f0f02d0c@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805071604mc768ac9h33e5f968dc4fc13e@mail.gmail.com> <20080507230928.GC26815@Max> Message-ID: 2008/5/7 Ricky Zhou : > On 2008-05-08 12:04:49 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > 0200 UTC any day > > 2000 UTC mondays > > 2300 UTC any day > > > > They look like the most probable. For tomorrow, are people either a) > > happy to go with 0200 and we'll figure out something better in the > > coming week or b) happy to go with 2000? - clearly 2300 isn't an > > option for tomorrow. > I'll pretty much never be able to make 20:00 :-(, 02:00 and 23:00 (plus > anything at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix) are > both fine for me, though. In reviewing this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix I notice that the person(Mairin) we wanted to pick up with a time adjustment (sorry if I am missing others...) has not in fact indicated she can make the proposed time slot anyway. So why move the meeting? I think we should just have the meeting at 23:00 Thursday as planned. I see the same set of initials in the matrix at 02:00 as I do at 23:00, and it was the plan. (I also have a suspicion we loose some folks who have not filled out the matrix by changing the time.) -- Craig [0] heh, i notice i can make it twice on tues at 23:00... From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 8 01:54:38 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 20:54:38 -0500 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805070950jba0afc8o1860ce66f0f02d0c@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805071604mc768ac9h33e5f968dc4fc13e@mail.gmail.com> <20080507230928.GC26815@Max> Message-ID: <1210211678.3610.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 19:58 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > 2008/5/7 Ricky Zhou : > > On 2008-05-08 12:04:49 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > 0200 UTC any day > > > 2000 UTC mondays > > > 2300 UTC any day > > > > > > They look like the most probable. For tomorrow, are people either a) > > > happy to go with 0200 and we'll figure out something better in the > > > coming week or b) happy to go with 2000? - clearly 2300 isn't an > > > option for tomorrow. > > I'll pretty much never be able to make 20:00 :-(, 02:00 and 23:00 (plus > > anything at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix) are > > both fine for me, though. > > In reviewing this: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix > > I notice that the person(Mairin) we wanted to pick up with a time > adjustment (sorry if I am missing others...) has not in fact indicated > she can make the proposed time slot anyway. So why move the meeting? > I talked to Mairin directly and she agreed on the time (0200 UTC) so that is not a real problem here anyway... i think it's time to decide, i dont really care about the time, but would really like to have Mairin in the meeting. So just pick one and lets decide. From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Thu May 8 02:04:27 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 21:04:27 -0500 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805070950jba0afc8o1860ce66f0f02d0c@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805071604mc768ac9h33e5f968dc4fc13e@mail.gmail.com> <20080507230928.GC26815@Max> Message-ID: <48225FAB.4020904@gmail.com> For the rest of the week, any time before 2000-2100 UTC is at least partially attendable by me. Beyond that is not probably due to $nightjob. In regards to future meetings, I'll just attend when I can because my schedule is different each week. Craig Thomas wrote: > 2008/5/7 Ricky Zhou : > >> On 2008-05-08 12:04:49 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> > 0200 UTC any day >> > 2000 UTC mondays >> > 2300 UTC any day >> > >> > They look like the most probable. For tomorrow, are people either a) >> > happy to go with 0200 and we'll figure out something better in the >> > coming week or b) happy to go with 2000? - clearly 2300 isn't an >> > option for tomorrow. >> I'll pretty much never be able to make 20:00 :-(, 02:00 and 23:00 (plus >> anything at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix) are >> both fine for me, though. >> > > In reviewing this: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix > > I notice that the person(Mairin) we wanted to pick up with a time > adjustment (sorry if I am missing others...) has not in fact indicated > she can make the proposed time slot anyway. So why move the meeting? > > I think we should just have the meeting at 23:00 Thursday as planned. > I see the same set of initials in the matrix at 02:00 as I do at > 23:00, and it was the plan. (I also have a suspicion we loose some > folks who have not filled out the matrix by changing the time.) > > -- > Craig > > [0] heh, i notice i can make it twice on tues at 23:00... > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From palazzot at fedoraproject.org Wed May 7 13:16:13 2008 From: palazzot at fedoraproject.org (Marco Palazzotti) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 15:16:13 +0200 Subject: Wrong link In-Reply-To: <20080507121516.GF8989@Max> References: <4820AE74.1060008@fedoraproject.org> <20080507121516.GF8989@Max> Message-ID: <4821AB9D.3080502@fedoraproject.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 8 02:47:39 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 02:47:39 +0000 Subject: Using consistent URLs Message-ID: <1210214859.7392.218.camel@localhost.localdomain> One of the issues that we talked about at today's "release readiness" meeting -- made up of reps from many subprojects in Fedora -- the issue of using consistent URLs came up. If we can settle on URLs that can cross releases, and use them consistently for any public communication, it's easier for us to (1) provide a good user experience through superior Web server administration, (2) track on metrics of user visits, and (3) create unified marketing materials. In our press releases, stories for digg, Slashdot, and anywhere else people might see them, let's make sure we are using these URLs: To get Fedora: --> http://get.fedoraproject.org/ To join Fedora: --> http://join.fedoraproject.org/ To read Release Notes: --> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes --> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ (can be shortened if needed) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu May 8 10:06:22 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:06:22 +0100 Subject: Today's Meeting: 2300 UTC 8th May Message-ID: <507738ef0805080306t7571474fj85a4a464b328fb00@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/8 Craig Thomas : > 2008/5/7 Ricky Zhou : > > > > On 2008-05-08 12:04:49 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > 0200 UTC any day > > > 2000 UTC mondays > > > 2300 UTC any day > > > > > > They look like the most probable. For tomorrow, are people either a) > > > happy to go with 0200 and we'll figure out something better in the > > > coming week or b) happy to go with 2000? - clearly 2300 isn't an > > > option for tomorrow. > > I'll pretty much never be able to make 20:00 :-(, 02:00 and 23:00 (plus > > anything at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix) are > > both fine for me, though. > > In reviewing this: > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix > > I notice that the person(Mairin) we wanted to pick up with a time > adjustment (sorry if I am missing others...) has not in fact indicated > she can make the proposed time slot anyway. So why move the meeting? > > I think we should just have the meeting at 23:00 Thursday as planned. > I see the same set of initials in the matrix at 02:00 as I do at > 23:00, and it was the plan. (I also have a suspicion we loose some > folks who have not filled out the matrix by changing the time.) I'm for this. We'll hold the meeting at 2300 UTC Thursday 8th May (that's today :P) for this week, and then see how that works and change stuff up for the following weeks if we think we need to. I hope this is OK and doesn't inconvenience too many people. With the release coming up, we've plenty of time to get our heads around what we want to do before we'll be able to make any large changes, so there's no rush. Let's just keep making good, steady progress :) Best, Jon > > -- > Craig > > [0] heh, i notice i can make it twice on tues at 23:00... > > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu May 8 12:03:44 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 08:03:44 -0400 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805071604mc768ac9h33e5f968dc4fc13e@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805011448p434e6206pd3d6fc3127ea443f@mail.gmail.com> <1210022535.3824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080505214339.GC8989@Max> <1210178804.5891.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805070950jba0afc8o1860ce66f0f02d0c@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805071604mc768ac9h33e5f968dc4fc13e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4822EC20.6070809@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> 2) As for the meeting time, while I agree that you won't get the best >> turnout at that time, you will get *different* turnout, from those >> here in the US that have conflicts with $dayjob. I'd suggest doing >> one of these a month or something. And I can't believe that JonRob >> finds 3am a strange time for a meting. Fedora never sleeps, you >> didn't get that memo? :) > > OK, it's a fair point - not the 3am comment (however dedicated I am > :p) - one a month might be reasonable, depending on how things go. As > for tomorrow, and a regular meeting time, I think there are 3 > possibilities - and forgive me if I'm wrong because it's getting late > here already! > > 0200 UTC any day > 2000 UTC mondays > 2300 UTC any day I can never make 2300 UTC during the week because I'm sitting on a bus then. 2000 UTC mondays might be okay 0200 UTC is very do-able for me. I would very much like to be involved in the planning for the website. Thanks, ~m From mspevack at redhat.com Thu May 8 14:37:33 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Today's Meeting: 2300 UTC 8th May In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805080306t7571474fj85a4a464b328fb00@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805080306t7571474fj85a4a464b328fb00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I hope this is OK and doesn't inconvenience too many people. With the > release coming up, we've plenty of time to get our heads around what > we want to do before we'll be able to make any large changes, so > there's no rush. Let's just keep making good, steady progress :) Ok, I'm glad we have a meeting time set-up for today, so let's talk a little bit about the flow of this meeting in particular. Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend, since I am giving a talk about Fedora and Red Hat community building to the Triangle Linux User Group tonight at exactly the same time as the meeting. JonRob, can you run today's meeting in my place? Here is my recommended agenda and vision: 1) Let ricky spend 5 or 10 minutes giving everyone an update on all the websites stuff for fedora9. Maybe it won't even take that long, because everything is more or less good to go at this point, but it's worth a quick check-in. 2) Continue the discussion around the future plans for the work that the websites team wants to do. I'd like to frame the discussion, once again, around the idea of splitting our efforts into a few different groups that proceed in parallel, and I envision future meetings turning into opportunities for each of these sub-groups (which will probably share some members) having opportunities to report in. THE LOOK AND FEEL GROUP ======================= This is a group of contributors whose interest and expertise is in making the Fedora family of websites look and feel consistent. Tasks for this group include: 1) coming up with a unifying CSS and look/feel for all Fedora sites. 2) working with the art team as necessary. 3) THE INFRASTRUCTURE GROUP ======================== This is a group of contributors whose interest and expertise is in the process of running a variety of websites, and in making sure that we have a good way of keeping content updated. Tasks for this group include: 1) working with the Infrastructure team, and making sure that we have processes and procedures that are as light as possible while still giving us a consistent way to push updates and keep our content correct. 2) maintaining a list of all fedora-owned domains and subdomains (like fp.o, fedorahosted.org, spins.fedoraproject.org), or "major fedora web applications" (like the wiki or FAS). 3) THE CONTENT GROUP ================= This is the group of people whose interest and expertise is in the actual content of our websites. 1) Work with the marketing team on the strategic messages that we want to send in different places of our web portfolio. Is it text, video, podcasts, etc? 2) Determine *where* the best destination for that content is. Keep in mind opportunities to work with Red Hat Magazine as well. 3) . THE SPINS.FP.O GROUP ==================== The major engineering endeavor that I think we need to begin thinking about is how to build a web app that can be a useful spins inventory, repository, and acquisition mechanism. 1) Design. 2) Prototype. 3) Implement. This is going to require some recruitment of other volunteers, as it is an honest-to-god engineering endeavor that needs to be run in the same was as any other Fedora Feature is. --Max From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu May 8 15:01:24 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 16:01:24 +0100 Subject: Today's Meeting: 2300 UTC 8th May In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805080306t7571474fj85a4a464b328fb00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805080801t6ec9f747q79f2a9bc26d650ee@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/8 Max Spevack : > On Thu, 8 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> I hope this is OK and doesn't inconvenience too many people. With the >> release coming up, we've plenty of time to get our heads around what we want >> to do before we'll be able to make any large changes, so there's no rush. >> Let's just keep making good, steady progress :) > > Ok, I'm glad we have a meeting time set-up for today, so let's talk a little > bit about the flow of this meeting in particular. > > Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend, since I am giving a talk about > Fedora and Red Hat community building to the Triangle Linux User Group > tonight at exactly the same time as the meeting. > > JonRob, can you run today's meeting in my place? No problem, and I'll update the agenda to take into account what you've got below. I'd encourage others to add items to the agenda that they'd like covered too - will make our life easier as we work through the meeting! Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Thu May 8 16:42:39 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Today's Meeting: 2300 UTC 8th May In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805080801t6ec9f747q79f2a9bc26d650ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805080306t7571474fj85a4a464b328fb00@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805080801t6ec9f747q79f2a9bc26d650ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > No problem, and I'll update the agenda to take into account what > you've got below. I'd encourage others to add items to the agenda that > they'd like covered too - will make our life easier as we work through > the meeting! I'd also like to hear what people's thoughts are on the previous email that I wrote. Do people agree, disagree, have additions or subtractions, etc? I'm trying to lay out a vision and then build consensus around it, not issue mandates or orders. :) --Max From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 8 17:07:18 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 12:07:18 -0500 Subject: Today's Meeting: 2300 UTC 8th May In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805080306t7571474fj85a4a464b328fb00@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805080801t6ec9f747q79f2a9bc26d650ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1210266438.22988.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 12:42 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Thu, 8 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > No problem, and I'll update the agenda to take into account what > > you've got below. I'd encourage others to add items to the agenda that > > they'd like covered too - will make our life easier as we work through > > the meeting! > > I'd also like to hear what people's thoughts are on the previous email > that I wrote. Do people agree, disagree, have additions or > subtractions, etc? > > I'm trying to lay out a vision and then build consensus around it, not > issue mandates or orders. :) > > --Max > +1 for your agenda proposal... i think those are the logic things to discuss following the discussion on the previous meeting. Also, im not sure if this is a thing to discuss just know, as we seem to be heading on more logistic features around the website team and not so many technical issues, but last week while working on some improvements for the get-fedora section, mike said something that catch my attention about probably thinking on new ways to build the website, which in fact seems to be a good idea to me. But then that should be discussed too From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu May 8 23:52:24 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:52:24 -0400 Subject: Meeting Log - 2008-05-08 Message-ID: <20080508235224.GF26815@Max> 18:59 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Websites -- Who's here? 18:59 -!- JonRob [n=jon at exhalls-3.ex.ac.uk] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:59 * giarc +1 18:59 * ianweller 19:00 * ricky 19:00 -!- mbonnet is now known as mbonnet_ 19:00 < JonRob> right...let's get this started 19:00 < JonRob> 19:01 < JonRob> sorry if you've already done this, but can i get a quick show of hands who's here? 19:01 < ricky> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00088.html 19:01 * ianweller 19:01 * ricky 19:01 < JonRob> make my minute taking a little easier :) 19:01 * giarc :) 19:01 * juank_prada jumps 19:02 < JonRob> ok, looks like it's just us for the time being, i think mmcgrath said he'd be along at some point 19:02 < ianweller> mmcgrath: ping 19:02 < ianweller> oh already done by ricky 19:03 < JonRob> i think we can hopefully quickly cover the first item on the agenda 19:03 < JonRob> so let's see how we go with that 19:03 < JonRob> how are things progressing on the websites front for the f9 launch? 19:03 < ricky> So at this point, what's on http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/ should pretty much turn out to be the F9 site 19:04 < JonRob> ricky: are we going to go with mo's banner? 19:04 < ricky> Strings are pretty much frozen, and we're waiting for translations. 19:04 < giarc> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/PromoBanners?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fedora9_0day_banner.png 19:04 < ricky> JonRob: Oops, yes. That doesn't involve strings, so it'll be safe. 19:04 < JonRob> giarc: thanks that's what i was just trying to find! 19:04 < JonRob> has everyone seen it? 19:04 < ricky> Well, the alt text will probably just be "Fedora 9" 19:05 < JonRob> ricky, sounds safe to me 19:05 < ianweller> i like that banner 19:05 < giarc> so, that goes on the home page, in place of the three images we have there now ? 19:05 < JonRob> giarc: right 19:05 < ricky> Yup 19:05 < giarc> cool 19:06 < JonRob> ricky, do you have anything else you'd like to cover here? anything you need help with or extra hands? 19:06 < ricky> Nothing too much - yesterday, we talked a bit about getting website things together for F9 19:07 < ricky> get.fp.o and join.fp.o will probably be the canonical links to give out 19:07 < JonRob> yeah...mktg has that covered i believe 19:07 < ricky> (That'll be communicated with marketing as well) 19:07 < JonRob> paul has sent a message out 19:07 < ricky> Excellent 19:07 < JonRob> to let everyone know 19:07 -!- stickster_afk is now known as stickster 19:07 -!- wolfy [n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy] has left #fedora-meeting ["If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something."] 19:07 < JonRob> hopefully we'll get some pretty stats from this release onwards :) 19:08 < JonRob> any objections to me moving things on? 19:08 < JonRob> ok...onwards it is! 19:09 < JonRob> the next item on the agenda is the future of the team again 19:09 < JonRob> max sent an interesting message to the list outlining his vision 19:09 < JonRob> has everyone had a chance to see this? 19:09 < ricky> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00088.html 19:09 < JonRob> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00088.html 19:09 < ricky> Whoops 19:09 < ianweller> yeah i'm reading it now 19:09 < juank_prada> +1 to spevack's proposal 19:09 < JonRob> ricky - great minds :) 19:09 < ricky> +1 as well, sounds like a very logical separation 19:10 < JonRob> does anyone have any questions or comments they'd like to throw at max about it? 19:10 < JonRob> i know he's not around now 19:10 < giarc> yeah, i think so as well 19:10 < JonRob> but no reason this can't go to the list 19:10 < ianweller> i think it's a well rounded proposal 19:10 < JonRob> ok well people seem positive about it! 19:11 < JonRob> with that in mind 19:11 < JonRob> the next thing we probably need to think about is starting to implement this 19:11 < giarc> it's seems we already have the contacts with most of the other groups 19:11 < giarc> or at least some contact, a point 19:11 < JonRob> girac: yeah, so that's a great start 19:11 < giarc> person for each already 19:12 < giarc> perhaps not spins? 19:12 < JonRob> juank_prada: how's your work going on your new vision for the website that we discussed last time? 19:12 < JonRob> giarc: the spins sig is only just getting going itself 19:12 < ricky> A lot of great get-fedora improvements were posted to list :-) 19:12 < JonRob> so that'll settle in a few weeks i think 19:12 < juank_prada> JonRob: things are going well but still i have some doubts about spins 19:12 < JonRob> ok...well, before we cover that in too much detail 19:13 < JonRob> do you feel happy enough about them to try and start co-ordinating things on the look and feel section? 19:13 < JonRob> we don't need to make rapid progress with any of this, just slow and steady 19:13 < juank_prada> giarc and i have been working on new get-fedora implementation and some things have gone pretty well, people have commented a lot about that and although there is work to do we are heading on a better direction now 19:13 < mmcgrath> pong 19:13 < ricky> juank_prada: What kind of doubts? 19:13 < JonRob> mmcgrath: welcome :) 19:14 < ricky> mmcgrath: Hey :-) 19:14 < JonRob> we're just discussing max's proposal 19:14 < juank_prada> ricky: mi primary concern is how spins are going to be handled 19:14 < mmcgrath> howdy. 19:14 < JonRob> did you see it? 19:14 < juank_prada> we can pretty much set some links to the get-fedora site and let people know a bit about spins and heach one might have a static site that we would be in charge of... 19:15 < mmcgrath> how "big" will that make the page? 19:15 -!- jeremy [n=katzj at nat/redhat-us/x-aff7a0665681b852] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:15 < juank_prada> or... we could set a more dynamic site in which spins owners can provide information andwe just leave them a template or a CMS like site in which the can manage the information about their releases 19:16 < ricky> mmcgrath: The get-fedora page or the spins page? 19:16 < mmcgrath> well, either. 19:16 < juank_prada> mmcgrath: that depends 19:16 < ricky> I guess it'd be mostly text in either case. 19:16 * giarc notes we have ~.5 dozen spins 19:17 < giarc> and growing ? 19:17 < JonRob> hopefully growing :) 19:17 < mmcgrath> giarc: I'm not really sure what the plan for that is. 19:17 < juank_prada> if we set just links to download the spins the size of the site wont grow that much... but if what we want is to provide more information in get-fedora things could be much bigger 19:17 < mmcgrath> will it be 10-20? or will it be 100-200? 19:17 < mmcgrath> I have no idea. 19:17 < giarc> so, it'll take some space to show them all, so the design should accomodate that 19:18 < juank_prada> that was the idea of having Javascript hiding sections of the site 19:18 < ianweller> pagination using AJAX? 19:18 < JonRob> ok all 19:18 < ricky> mmcgrath: I'd guess <100, but that's just a guess. 19:18 < juank_prada> another option is AJAX although ricky asked for a less server side implementation 19:19 < ricky> That and we want it to be bookmarkable 19:19 < juank_prada> yeap 19:19 < giarc> juank_prada, yeah, but 10-12 is way different that even 30 or 40 19:19 < juank_prada> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora 19:19 < JonRob> can i just take a moment to focus the conversation a little bit back on the idea of getting ourselves set tasks to focus our attention on? 19:19 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk 19:20 < juank_prada> thats the idea that have been on the ml so far probably you have seen it... 19:20 < mmcgrath> ricky: well, imagine all the spins we have now * localizations for each. Now imagine that the 5 or 6 spins we have now become 15 - 20 spins, each localized... 19:20 < ricky> Oh, I was thinking of per-page size (+- an image or two). 19:20 < giarc> heh, ricky :) 19:21 < JonRob> it seems like there's a lot of energy here for the spins 19:21 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi at c-76-19-171-76.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:21 < JonRob> so can i poke somebody into stepping up and taking a bit of a lead in developing this over the coming few weeks 19:21 < JonRob> we're certainly not going to figure it out here in this meeting 19:21 < juank_prada> i saw a comment on the mailing list that seems right, and is that even that we are promoting spins, the "main" product here is the fedora installation media (LiveCD or DVD iso) 19:23 < juank_prada> JonRob: i was suppose to start working on that.. but then those questions poped out and i havent started that just yet 19:23 < ricky> No worries, what kinds of questions do we need to address? 19:23 < JonRob> juank_prada: ok, so can i perhaps set you as a task for the coming week, and let me know if you think this is reasonable 19:23 < juank_prada> JonRob: sure 19:23 < JonRob> to come up with a list of things that we need to tackle to get a spins.fp.o site up 19:24 < JonRob> break it down 19:24 < JonRob> so that way, when we meet back next week 19:24 < JonRob> we've got a concrete set of issues to work through and a definite set of solutions we want to see? 19:24 < JonRob> other people will almost definitely find it easier to help out too :) 19:24 < juank_prada> yeap ... :) 19:25 -!- Bob-Laptop [n=bob at fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen] has joined #Fedora-Meeting 19:25 < juank_prada> ill be asking lots of questions this week as i wont be able to stay here for any longer 19:25 < JonRob> ok, with that in mind, unless people think i'm rushing things a bit, could we take a moment to look at some of the other topics max talked about? 19:25 < JonRob> juank_prada: lots of questions is always good, keeping plenty of it on the list will help to drive interest too 19:25 < JonRob> ! 19:26 < juank_prada> ok ill write to the ml instead 19:26 < mmcgrath> no worries, we'll have plenty of other meetings :) 19:26 < juank_prada> see you all next time .. im sorry i cant stay any longer 19:26 < JonRob> np - good luck with the uni stuff 19:26 < giarc> juank_prada, no worries, see you later 19:26 < ricky> See you - thanks for coming 19:27 -!- juank_prada [n=juanky at 200.114.38.35] has quit "Leaving" 19:27 < JonRob> ok, ricky and mike: i think we talked a little about this last time, that is websites and infra, and how they interact with each other 19:28 < JonRob> one thing that would be good, and all of this can certainly wait until post release (:p), about coming up with a list of all the fedora owned (sub-)domains and major web-apps? 19:28 < JonRob> or do we have one already? 19:28 < ricky> I think we have a list of sites (/me searches) 19:29 < JonRob> knowing what exists and what the websites team needs to focus on will help in organising things 19:29 < JonRob> ricky: thanks 19:29 < mmcgrath> well, in the present there's mostly a complete overlap between infrastructure and websites. in the future it'd be nice for a more independant website team that just relies on infrastructure to do what it needs to do 19:30 < JonRob> mmcgrath: do you have thoughts on how this can be achieved? what specifically do we need to do? 19:30 < mmcgrath> I think it'll happen naturally as the websites team gains traction, starts doing more stuff, etc. 19:31 < ricky> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/DomainsList 19:31 < JonRob> ricky: wow! 19:31 < giarc> wow! 19:31 < mmcgrath> I guess in theory y'all will do more stuff. People will see that and come to you with more stuff to do. You'll do even more stuff, etc, etc. 19:31 < giarc> thats a lot! 19:31 * giarc had no idea 19:32 < JonRob> mmcgrath: i agree, but does the websites team currently have everything in place that they need to just get stuff done? 19:32 < giarc> ah, redirects 19:32 < JonRob> is there new contributor documentation or practices that we need to put into place? 19:32 < mmcgrath> JonRob: yeah, I don't know if you guys all have access to the web repo and stuff but yeah. 19:32 < ricky> JonRob: Yes! 19:32 < mmcgrath> much of what you guys need to change isn't that difficult. 19:32 < JonRob> ok that's good to hear 19:33 < giarc> mmcgrath, CSS ? 19:33 < ricky> Right now, the build script isn't particularly usable - we need to do a lot to fix it. 19:33 < giarc> and markup, right ? 19:33 < giarc> or do we need to make $templates for all those domains? 19:33 < JonRob> well my thinking is, and this is my grand solution to everything, is that before the next meeting we could do with a list of tasks for this 19:33 < mmcgrath> and some things you guys will be able to fix automagically, other stuff will require someone from infra team to put it in place. 19:34 < JonRob> so that we can hit them one by one 19:34 < giarc> JonRob, +1 19:34 < giarc> to that 19:34 < JonRob> and get that warm fuzzy feeling from crossing off to-do list items :) 19:34 < giarc> right! 19:34 < giarc> easiest first.. 19:34 < giarc> so the list shrinks real fast 19:34 < JonRob> or do people think there's more that can be done in the time frame before the next meeting? 19:34 < JonRob> giarc: yes! 19:35 < giarc> i think getting some of these domains looking better is a big enough task myself :) 19:35 < giarc> it has been sitting in our ticket system for ever 19:35 < giarc> and a day 19:35 < JonRob> giarc: we're getting to that bit :) 19:35 < giarc> and is immediately visible 19:36 -!- drago01 [n=linux at chello062178124130.3.13.univie.teleweb.at] has quit "Verlassend" 19:36 < giarc> whereas spins or F10 work, is a fairly long way off in reality 19:36 < JonRob> can i get some feedback on the mission for the next meeting, and possibly somebody who'd like to do the leg work for it? 19:36 * ricky notes that theming tasks are easy picking. 19:36 < ricky> Just email the developers/checkout the code and edit the templates. 19:36 < ricky> For special stuff like docs.fp.o, though, it can be hard. 19:37 < giarc> JonRob, i'll start theming what i can 19:37 < ricky> Let us know if you need anything 19:37 < JonRob> giarc: ok :) 19:37 < giarc> it's not always that easy to actually find the parts you need tho :( 19:37 < giarc> ricky, ok 19:37 < ricky> Keep the list updated :-) 19:38 < giarc> that domain list is a big help :) 19:38 < JonRob> ricky - can i ask you to get us a list of things you think needs to happen for websites team to be able to "get stuff done"? 19:39 < ricky> JonRob: For fp.o, I think that making the buildscript friendlier/easier to work with is key. 19:39 < JonRob> ok... 19:39 < ricky> Do we have a task list on the wiki? 19:39 < JonRob> no, but i'll create one after this meeting 19:39 < ricky> I could add some items to the checklist before the next meeting 19:39 < JonRob> yeah that'd be good 19:39 < JonRob> i'll let the list know when i create the task list 19:39 < giarc> ricky, do we have an httpd.conf snippet for the getting the translations to work ? 19:40 < JonRob> and then we can reference those in future meetings 19:40 < giarc> or something similar? 19:40 < ricky> giarc: Yes, and make test in the fedoraproject.org directory will start an httpd with the correct config on localhost:5000 19:41 < giarc> ah, did not know that, thanks 19:41 < JonRob> the final point from the e-mail is the topic of content 19:41 < JonRob> but i'm willing to defer this until quaid and others are around 19:41 < giarc> JonRob, seems the best option 19:41 * JonRob notes the time is 12.45 am! 19:41 < giarc> to wait 19:42 < giarc> (for quaid and others :) 19:42 < JonRob> is everyone happy with the state of things? knows what the plan is for the coming week? 19:43 * giarc themes 19:43 < giarc> jaun spins :) 19:44 < giarc> ricky makes make a better neighbor 19:44 < giarc> s/make/makefile 19:44 < JonRob> it all sounds good to me 19:44 < JonRob> is there anything else anyone wanted to cover? 19:44 < JonRob> i'm sorry if i've cut some conversations a bit short tonight 19:44 < giarc> i wanted to note that i asked the art team to create a web banner: 19:45 < JonRob> giarc: oh yeah i saw that on list 19:45 < giarc> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites 19:45 < JonRob> another example of the art team rocking :) 19:45 < ricky> Yup :-) 19:45 < ricky> Hopefully, it'll carry over easily after the wiki migration 19:45 < giarc> they have made other options, and are willing to revise 19:45 < giarc> if we want 19:46 < giarc> i think it rocks as is 19:46 < giarc> nicu and rynaleach (sp?) 19:46 < giarc> and i think michael helped 19:46 < ianweller> ryanlerch 19:46 < ianweller> ;) 19:46 < giarc> thanks ianweller 19:46 < ianweller> speaking of wiki. https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMain -- anyone have anything they think should be in the sidebar on the left? 19:46 < JonRob> does anyone have any problems with the banner as is? 19:47 < giarc> i just wanted to bring it up, so we could talk about it 19:47 < giarc> if we wanted, otherwise, i am ready to tell them job well done and thanks! 19:47 < JonRob> i get the impression you can tell them job well done :) 19:48 < giarc> JonRob, :) me too 19:48 < giarc> lets be done ? 19:49 < JonRob> going to call the meeting finished in.... 19:49 < JonRob> 3... 19:49 < JonRob> 2..... 19:49 < JonRob> 1..... 19:49 < JonRob> 19:49 < mmcgrath> :) 19:49 < ricky> Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri May 9 05:45:59 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 22:45:59 -0700 Subject: Today's Meeting: 2300 UTC 8th May In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805080306t7571474fj85a4a464b328fb00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1210311959.15603.79.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 10:37 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > > THE CONTENT GROUP > ================= > This is the group of people whose interest and expertise is in the > actual content of our websites. I'd like to volunteer to help lead this sub-set of Websites. It seems like a good transition from Docs lead, to work on setting the direction for content across fedora*.org. It's been obvious for a while that Docs cannot grow in itself to cover all content possibilities. At the same time, I'd like to invent a new role, "Wiki Gardener." As we open the wiki to wider contributions, we'll need someone to tend, grow, weed, and compost. Set some techniques and teach them to other gardeners to work more closely in subject areas. An existing role model I'd reference is the Features/ namespace and how well organized and useful that is because John Poelstra tends his garden well. One good suggestion I got today is to have weekly wiki gardening meetings/times, drop-in sessions to make sure at least minimal tending is happening regularly. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at redhat.com Fri May 9 05:41:09 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 01:41:09 -0400 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org Message-ID: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> Hi folks, We had a pretty active discussion tonight in #fedora-websites about how to move forward with our website's static pages and how to best improve them. We decided that it would be a good idea to focus on the top ten things we want people to be able to do on our website, in priority order, and really strive to make those things as simple and easy to do as possible. We could first do usability testing to see how difficult it is to do these 10 things on the website today, and from that get a pretty good list of things we're doing wrong to inform an improved design. Here are the ten items we came up with in order of highest priority to lowest priority. After the list of ten are some of the more detailed ideas we came up with for achieving each. I've tried to pose these details as action items when possible so it's clear how folks can dive in and start helping out! Let us know what you think! Top 10 Tasks www.fedoraproject.org Visitors Should Be Able To Do ================================================================ 1. In one click, download the x86 Fedora Desktop Live Media ISO image. (or whichever we deem is/would be the most popular / best for new users) 2. Easily access to support tailored for NEW users. 3. Figure out what Fedora is / what the project is all about. 4. Join Fedora 5. See / Learn about all of the cool things you can make and do with Fedora and how other people use Fedora. 6. Catch up on what is happening in Fedora, right now? What's the latest? 7. Give back to Fedora. (different from joining. Joining is more of a commitment) 8. Download specific versions / form factors of Fedora. (as opposed to #1 which is one click) 9. Get Fedora bling! Spread Fedora! 10. Access developer tools and documentation for Fedora. Detailed Discussion =================== 1. In one click, download the x86 Fedora Desktop Live Media ISO image. (or whichever we deem is/would be the most popular / best for new users) - ACTION ITEM: Research: What is our most popular download? - ACTION ITEM: Mockup what this button/link/etc will look like, where will it be on the page, will it be persistent throughout the whole site? === 2. Get access to support tailored for NEW users. - Basic Info to make accessible as easily as possible: - Common Bugs page - what are known issues and their workarounds - How do I use the ISO I just downloaded? / Burning Media - What is Live Media? Will it hurt my computer? - How do I do a full install from Live Media? Dual Boot? (new users less likely to go full-on Fedora) - How do I install new software on Fedora? - How do I keep Fedora updated? - How do I upgrade my older version of Fedora? - Desktop User Guide? - instructions for folks without network access (using yum without network) - ACTION ITEM: Research:Ask #fedora folks what people ask for help with the most - ACTION ITEM: Mock-up where a link to a page of newbie help information would be and what the page would look like, plus have an area for more advanced how to get help - ACTION ITEM: Remove the need of the wiki for basic information and set it in fp.o (I'd like to see how the new wiki works organizationally too) - ACTION ITEM: docs.fp.o is working on a user guide and an admin guide, find out what state that is in, and its home - ACTION ITEM: Theme docs.fp.o to better match www.fp.o === 3. Figure out what Fedora is / what the project is all about. - This is explained well by the blurb on the front page now, but could have more information - ACTION ITEM: Mockup about Fedora website section - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: Integrate more of /wiki/Overview for extended information "About Fedora" - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: Cite articles aboout Fedora - Fedora in the news +1 - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: What makes Fedora different from other operating systems? From other Linux distros? - ACTION ITEM: Decide placement for screenshot tour link on www.fp.o - ACTION ITEM: Writeup & gather content for a "For The Press" section - archive of press kits - media contact information (pfrields, Kara) - interview archive - All the things a newbie reporter type needs to know - Learn more - talk to a local ambassador? === 4. Join Fedora - ACTION ITEM: Move content: Current list of skillsets mapped to teams/SIGs is good, but make it all static rather than dumping people into the wiki. - List of sigs => align to skill set - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: Maybe have a details page for every SIG to talk about what they do, how they communicate, when/where they meet, what software they use, etc. - ACTION ITEM: Decision: We need clear divide about where the functionality of the wiki starts (this has always been annoying) === 5. See / Learn about all of the cool things you can make and do with Fedora and how other people use Fedora. - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: What are 10 cool things Fedora users can do, and what applications can they do them with? For example: - "With Fedora you can manage the family photos. Download images from your camera with gphoto. Upload images from your computer to flickr with Flickr Uploadr. Or set up your own webserver and gallery with gallery. Burn a photo CD with nautilus. Create greeting cards using your photos with glabels." - Focus on people. - ACTION ITEM: Case-studies: some of the user stories pfrields has been collecting would be wonderful especially with photos and interviews, and with call-outs to the relevant Fedora applications involved in each case study. Pick a few of these and write them up, gather photos, links, and other content. - Fedora Spins - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: Maybe pick a dozen or so of the most popular applications in Fedora and have writeups and banner ad promos?) === 6. What is happening in Fedora, right now? What's the latest? - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What's happening in Fedora page/section - Planet Fedora - planet fedora divided up by language plus across all languages - planet fedora divided up by SIG/team (e.g. planet fedora: art team) - giant RSS feed aggregate like planet fedora for bodhi, koji, etc - bodhi updates? rate the package? security updates? package builds? - fedoranews - meetings (#fedora-meeting) - meeting logs - scheduled meetings / upcoming meetings - new artwork feed :) - Events - News articles about Fedora? Red Hat magazine articles? (Different than Fedora News, more like mainstream media mentions) === 7. Give back to Fedora. (different from joining. Joining is more of a commitment) - bugzilla - file/report a bug! - nice tutorial for writing a useful bug report? - support fedora free media? - become a mirror - put bling on your site / link back to Fedora (link to bling page) - ACTION ITEM: Research: what other things can folks do to give back to Fedora? - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What will the give back to Fedora page/section look like? === 8. Download specific versions / form factors of Fedora. (as opposed to #1 which is one click) - KDE spin - Full DVD ISO - alternative arches (x86_64, ppc?) - older releases (fc1, fc2, etc) - download/get the source - mirror list - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What will the full 'get Fedora' page look like? === 9. Get Fedora bling! Spread Fedora! - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What will the Fedora bling page look like? - ACTION ITEM: Gather: What bling do we have out there? What license is each under? - website banners - t-shirt designs with iron-on instructions - stickers and printing instructions - forum sig bars / im avatars - posters - etc :) - kind of like spreadfirefox.com - Fedora elevator pitch? === 10. Access developer tools and documentation for Fedora. - Links to all useful developer tools like: - koji - bodhi - FAS - wiki - how to find out who owns a package - koji? - commonly-used documentation like package-building guide, cvs policies, etc - J5 is working on a myFedora project for developers... this might be that or very strongly related - ACTION ITEM: Sync up: discuss with J5! ~m From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Fri May 9 07:27:05 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 02:27:05 -0500 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> One thought that I had with regards to #1 was how some websites have automatic detection of components of your computer and offer the right download. For instance, I go to getfirefox.com and it offers me a linux based download, instead of an .exe file. Would it be possible to use some technology like that on the page to help get people the distro faster? M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > We had a pretty active discussion tonight in #fedora-websites about > how to move forward with our website's static pages and how to best > improve them. We decided that it would be a good idea to focus on the > top ten things we want people to be able to do on our website, in > priority order, and really strive to make those things as simple and > easy to do as possible. We could first do usability testing to see how > difficult it is to do these 10 things on the website today, and from > that get a pretty good list of things we're doing wrong to inform an > improved design. > > Here are the ten items we came up with in order of highest priority to > lowest priority. After the list of ten are some of the more detailed > ideas we came up with for achieving each. I've tried to pose these > details as action items when possible so it's clear how folks can dive > in and start helping out! > > Let us know what you think! > > Top 10 Tasks www.fedoraproject.org Visitors Should Be Able To Do > ================================================================ > > 1. In one click, download the x86 Fedora Desktop Live Media ISO image. > (or whichever we deem is/would be the most popular / best for new users) > > 2. Easily access to support tailored for NEW users. > > 3. Figure out what Fedora is / what the project is all about. > > 4. Join Fedora > > 5. See / Learn about all of the cool things you can make and do with > Fedora and how other people use Fedora. > > 6. Catch up on what is happening in Fedora, right now? What's the latest? > > 7. Give back to Fedora. (different from joining. Joining is more of a > commitment) > > 8. Download specific versions / form factors of Fedora. (as opposed to > #1 which is one click) > > 9. Get Fedora bling! Spread Fedora! > > 10. Access developer tools and documentation for Fedora. > > Detailed Discussion > =================== > > 1. In one click, download the x86 Fedora Desktop Live Media ISO image. > (or whichever we deem is/would be the most popular / best for new users) > - ACTION ITEM: Research: What is our most popular download? > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup what this button/link/etc will look like, > where will it be on the page, will it be persistent throughout the > whole site? > > === > > 2. Get access to support tailored for NEW users. > > - Basic Info to make accessible as easily as possible: > - Common Bugs page - what are known issues and their workarounds > - How do I use the ISO I just downloaded? / Burning Media > - What is Live Media? Will it hurt my computer? > - How do I do a full install from Live Media? Dual Boot? (new > users less likely to go full-on Fedora) > - How do I install new software on Fedora? > - How do I keep Fedora updated? > - How do I upgrade my older version of Fedora? > - Desktop User Guide? > - instructions for folks without network access (using yum > without network) > - ACTION ITEM: Research:Ask #fedora folks what people ask for help > with the most > - ACTION ITEM: Mock-up where a link to a page of newbie help > information would be and what the page would look like, plus have an > area for more advanced how to get help > - ACTION ITEM: Remove the need of the wiki for basic information > and set it in fp.o (I'd like to see how the new wiki works > organizationally too) > - ACTION ITEM: docs.fp.o is working on a user guide and an admin > guide, find out what state that is in, and its home > - ACTION ITEM: Theme docs.fp.o to better match www.fp.o > > === > > 3. Figure out what Fedora is / what the project is all about. > > - This is explained well by the blurb on the front page now, but > could have more information > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup about Fedora website section > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: Integrate more of /wiki/Overview for > extended information "About Fedora" > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: Cite articles aboout Fedora - Fedora in > the news +1 > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: What makes Fedora different from other > operating systems? From other Linux distros? > - ACTION ITEM: Decide placement for screenshot tour link on www.fp.o > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup & gather content for a "For The Press" > section > - archive of press kits > - media contact information (pfrields, Kara) > - interview archive > - All the things a newbie reporter type needs to know > - Learn more - talk to a local ambassador? > > === > > 4. Join Fedora > - ACTION ITEM: Move content: Current list of skillsets mapped to > teams/SIGs is good, but make it all static rather than dumping people > into the wiki. > - List of sigs => align to skill set > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: Maybe have a details page for every SIG to > talk about what they do, how they communicate, when/where they meet, > what software they use, etc. > - ACTION ITEM: Decision: We need clear divide about where the > functionality of the wiki starts (this has always been annoying) > > === > > 5. See / Learn about all of the cool things you can make and do with > Fedora and how other people use Fedora. > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: What are 10 cool things Fedora users can > do, and what applications can they do them with? For example: > - "With Fedora you can manage the family photos. Download images > from your camera with gphoto. Upload images from your computer to > flickr with Flickr Uploadr. Or set up your own webserver and gallery > with gallery. Burn a photo CD with nautilus. Create greeting cards > using your photos with glabels." > - Focus on people. > - ACTION ITEM: Case-studies: some of the user stories pfrields has > been collecting would be wonderful especially with photos and > interviews, and with call-outs to the relevant Fedora applications > involved in each case study. Pick a few of these and write them up, > gather photos, links, and other content. > - Fedora Spins > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: Maybe pick a dozen or so of the most > popular applications in Fedora and have writeups and banner ad promos?) > > === > > 6. What is happening in Fedora, right now? What's the latest? > > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What's happening in Fedora page/section > - Planet Fedora > - planet fedora divided up by language plus across all languages > - planet fedora divided up by SIG/team (e.g. planet fedora: art > team) > - giant RSS feed aggregate like planet fedora for bodhi, koji, etc > - bodhi updates? rate the package? security updates? package builds? > - fedoranews > - meetings (#fedora-meeting) > - meeting logs > - scheduled meetings / upcoming meetings > - new artwork feed :) > - Events > - News articles about Fedora? Red Hat magazine articles? (Different > than Fedora News, more like mainstream media mentions) > > === > > 7. Give back to Fedora. (different from joining. Joining is more of a > commitment) > > - bugzilla - file/report a bug! > - nice tutorial for writing a useful bug report? > - support fedora free media? > - become a mirror > - put bling on your site / link back to Fedora (link to bling page) > - ACTION ITEM: Research: what other things can folks do to give back > to Fedora? > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What will the give back to Fedora page/section > look like? > > === > > 8. Download specific versions / form factors of Fedora. (as opposed to > #1 which is one click) > > - KDE spin > - Full DVD ISO > - alternative arches (x86_64, ppc?) > - older releases (fc1, fc2, etc) > - download/get the source > - mirror list > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What will the full 'get Fedora' page look like? > > === > > 9. Get Fedora bling! Spread Fedora! > > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What will the Fedora bling page look like? > - ACTION ITEM: Gather: What bling do we have out there? What license > is each under? > - website banners > - t-shirt designs with iron-on instructions > - stickers and printing instructions > - forum sig bars / im avatars > - posters > - etc :) > - kind of like spreadfirefox.com > - Fedora elevator pitch? > > === > > 10. Access developer tools and documentation for Fedora. > > - Links to all useful developer tools like: > - koji > - bodhi > - FAS > - wiki > - how to find out who owns a package - koji? > - commonly-used documentation like package-building guide, cvs > policies, etc > - J5 is working on a myFedora project for developers... this might > be that or very strongly related > - ACTION ITEM: Sync up: discuss with J5! > > ~m > > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From daxmaish at yahoo.com Fri May 9 07:31:39 2008 From: daxmaish at yahoo.com (David Maina) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 00:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Login Problem Message-ID: <915374.44594.qm@web38707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Am am a registered fedora websites forum member but since the meeting started i have not been able to attend since my login information does not work. I receive mails but I cant be able to login to the console Help. ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Beckwith Cc: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 5:04:27 AM Subject: Re: Next week's meeting For the rest of the week, any time before 2000-2100 UTC is at least partially attendable by me. Beyond that is not probably due to $nightjob. In regards to future meetings, I'll just attend when I can because my schedule is different each week. Craig Thomas wrote: 2008/5/7 Ricky Zhou : On 2008-05-08 12:04:49 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 0200 UTC any day > 2000 UTC mondays > 2300 UTC any day > > They look like the most probable. For tomorrow, are people either a) > happy to go with 0200 and we'll figure out something better in the > coming week or b) happy to go with 2000? - clearly 2300 isn't an > option for tomorrow. I'll pretty much never be able to make 20:00 :-(, 02:00 and 23:00 (plus anything at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix) are both fine for me, though. In reviewing this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix I notice that the person(Mairin) we wanted to pick up with a time adjustment (sorry if I am missing others...) has not in fact indicated she can make the proposed time slot anyway. So why move the meeting? I think we should just have the meeting at 23:00 Thursday as planned. I see the same set of initials in the matrix at 02:00 as I do at 23:00, and it was the plan. (I also have a suspicion we loose some folks who have not filled out the matrix by changing the time.) -- Craig [0] heh, i notice i can make it twice on tues at 23:00... -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daxmaish at yahoo.com Fri May 9 07:31:39 2008 From: daxmaish at yahoo.com (David Maina) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 00:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Login Problem Message-ID: <915374.44594.qm@web38707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Am am a registered fedora websites forum member but since the meeting started i have not been able to attend since my login information does not work. I receive mails but I cant be able to login to the console Help. ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Beckwith Cc: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 5:04:27 AM Subject: Re: Next week's meeting For the rest of the week, any time before 2000-2100 UTC is at least partially attendable by me. Beyond that is not probably due to $nightjob. In regards to future meetings, I'll just attend when I can because my schedule is different each week. Craig Thomas wrote: 2008/5/7 Ricky Zhou : On 2008-05-08 12:04:49 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 0200 UTC any day > 2000 UTC mondays > 2300 UTC any day > > They look like the most probable. For tomorrow, are people either a) > happy to go with 0200 and we'll figure out something better in the > coming week or b) happy to go with 2000? - clearly 2300 isn't an > option for tomorrow. I'll pretty much never be able to make 20:00 :-(, 02:00 and 23:00 (plus anything at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix) are both fine for me, though. In reviewing this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix I notice that the person(Mairin) we wanted to pick up with a time adjustment (sorry if I am missing others...) has not in fact indicated she can make the proposed time slot anyway. So why move the meeting? I think we should just have the meeting at 23:00 Thursday as planned. I see the same set of initials in the matrix at 02:00 as I do at 23:00, and it was the plan. (I also have a suspicion we loose some folks who have not filled out the matrix by changing the time.) -- Craig [0] heh, i notice i can make it twice on tues at 23:00... -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri May 9 13:28:11 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:28:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > 2. Get access to support tailored for NEW users. > > - Basic Info to make accessible as easily as possible: > - Common Bugs page - what are known issues and their workarounds > - How do I use the ISO I just downloaded? / Burning Media > - What is Live Media? Will it hurt my computer? > - How do I do a full install from Live Media? Dual Boot? (new users less > likely to go full-on Fedora) > - How do I install new software on Fedora? > - How do I keep Fedora updated? > - How do I upgrade my older version of Fedora? > - Desktop User Guide? > - instructions for folks without network access (using yum without > network) > - ACTION ITEM: Research:Ask #fedora folks what people ask for help with the > most > - ACTION ITEM: Mock-up where a link to a page of newbie help information > would be and what the page would look like, plus have an area for more > advanced how to get help > - ACTION ITEM: Remove the need of the wiki for basic information and set it > in fp.o (I'd like to see how the new wiki works organizationally too) > - ACTION ITEM: docs.fp.o is working on a user guide and an admin guide, > find out what state that is in, and its home > - ACTION ITEM: Theme docs.fp.o to better match www.fp.o > We should make sure people know about other 3rd party sites like fedora Forum. -Mike From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat May 10 15:26:47 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:26:47 +0100 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? Message-ID: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> Can I propose the above time and date for the next Websites' team meeting? There's quite a gap here, but I think this looks like it's the best time slot and Monday 12th would be a little too soon (?) after last meeting. Best, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Sat May 10 16:09:58 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:09:58 -0700 Subject: I would like to help out with website maintenance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1210435798.15603.182.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 12:12 +0800, Ismet Dere wrote: > hi All, > > I'm a longtime Redhat & Fedora user > > I would like to help out with website maintenance > > how to do that? Hi, thanks for your interest. I didn't see a reply to you from anyone else; sorry if you fell between the cracks a bit, Websites team has been a bit busy this last week. :) You can find where to start here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sat May 10 16:15:36 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:15:36 -0700 Subject: Regards to Wiki editing In-Reply-To: <1210054973.3192.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1210054973.3192.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1210436136.15603.189.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 18:22 +1200, benny chen wrote: > Hi > Sorry if I emailed this to the wrong place. > I was trying to join the Fedora project, and i had an FAS account, > benjibc, and signed the CLA. Then I went to create a wiki account, > BenjiChen. I have signed CLA, but I cannot even create my own page. > Just wondering if I did something wrong. > Thank you very much for your time, and looking forward for the reply. Hi Benny, Sorry for the delay in reply. The FAS account system is not tied to the Wiki currently; work on that is underway. The way to get a wiki account is essentially what you have done -- contact someone with your FAS account details so we can manually confirm CLA agreement, and we add you, like I just did. You should have the permissions you now need. Happy wiki writing and editing! - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat May 10 19:58:13 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 20:58:13 +0100 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th May? Message-ID: <507738ef0805101258u175c6af5yfa8ea13d3cefb35b@mail.gmail.com> Oops, thanks everyone for catching that one :) Best, Jon 2008/5/10 Jonathan Roberts : > Can I propose the above time and date for the next Websites' team meeting? > > There's quite a gap here, but I think this looks like it's the best > time slot and Monday 12th would be a little too soon (?) after last > meeting. > > Best, > > Jon > From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sat May 10 20:31:56 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:31:56 -0400 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> On 2008-05-10 04:26:47 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Can I propose the above time and date for the next Websites' team meeting? > > There's quite a gap here, but I think this looks like it's the best > time slot and Monday 12th would be a little too soon (?) after last > meeting. Aw, I'm can never make 20:00 UTC Monday through Friday (I'll be on a bus). Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun May 11 15:36:00 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 16:36:00 +0100 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> Message-ID: <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/10 Ricky Zhou : > On 2008-05-10 04:26:47 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Can I propose the above time and date for the next Websites' team meeting? >> >> There's quite a gap here, but I think this looks like it's the best >> time slot and Monday 12th would be a little too soon (?) after last >> meeting. > Aw, I'm can never make 20:00 UTC Monday through Friday (I'll be on a bus). Ahh this is difficult! I'm not convinced there's a time that'll work for everybody - does anyone have any bright ideas!? The best solution I can come up with is that we rotate the times so one week we do it at one time and the next we do another? Best, Jon From david at devilment.org.uk Sun May 11 18:39:37 2008 From: david at devilment.org.uk (David Robinson) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 19:39:37 +0100 Subject: Link to mirrors returning a 404 Message-ID: <200805111939.38152.david@devilment.org.uk> Hi, You appear to have a broken link on the page: http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora See all mirrors points to http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/8/ which currently returns a 404. It certainly working at around 11:00 UTC on 2008-05-11, but isn't working now at 18:35 UTC. -- David "I only got into Linux because someone mentioned free beer." From kwade at redhat.com Sun May 11 18:52:57 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:52:57 -0700 Subject: Link to mirrors returning a 404 In-Reply-To: <200805111939.38152.david@devilment.org.uk> References: <200805111939.38152.david@devilment.org.uk> Message-ID: <1210531977.15603.216.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 19:39 +0100, David Robinson wrote: > Hi, > > You appear to have a broken link on the page: > http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora > > See all mirrors points to > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/8/ which currently > returns a 404. > > It certainly working at around 11:00 UTC on 2008-05-11, but isn't > working now at 18:35 UTC. Thanks for the notice; I'm not working on the problem, but #fedora-admin seems to be alive with activity. -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Sun May 11 23:51:39 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 19:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Top Ten Tasks for Websites Message-ID: There was an excellent thread on fedora-marketing-list about the Top Ten Tasks that the Fedora Website should be able to handle. The thread was based on a discussion in #fedora-websites, so some of you may have already participated in it. If you haven't read it, please go and do so. I'd provide the link, but I'm composing this email on an airplane. There are two follow-ups for the Websites team from this. The first is an excellent opportunity for someone who doesn't already have an active task to step up and take, and it's quite simple: * Read the entire thread, and create a tracking page for us in the Websites portion of the wiki that summarizes each task, the status of that task depending on the comments that were made in the thread, and the action that would be needed to make progress on that task. The second follow-up is something that we need to add to the agenda of either our next meeting, or the one after: * Go over each task, determine which we can prioritize, assign owners, and start doing them. If this has already been done, my apologies. I'm on a plane and it's hard to see the current status of everything without internet. I'm just catching up on some old email and putting my thoughts down. --Max From a.badger at gmail.com Mon May 12 16:29:11 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:29:11 -0700 Subject: Link to mirrors returning a 404 In-Reply-To: <1210531977.15603.216.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <200805111939.38152.david@devilment.org.uk> <1210531977.15603.216.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <48287057.5000601@gmail.com> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 19:39 +0100, David Robinson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You appear to have a broken link on the page: >> http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora >> >> See all mirrors points to >> http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/8/ which currently >> returns a 404. >> >> It certainly working at around 11:00 UTC on 2008-05-11, but isn't >> working now at 18:35 UTC. > > Thanks for the notice; I'm not working on the problem, but #fedora-admin > seems to be alive with activity. > > Fixed for now. Matt Domsch has done some more work on MirrorManager to make this even better after the F-9 release. -Toshio From stickster at gmail.com Mon May 12 20:56:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:56:07 +0000 Subject: Missing links In-Reply-To: <48286B40.8090500@fedoraproject.org> References: <48286B40.8090500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1210625767.10256.48.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 21:37 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > The first hit while search for Fedora installation guide is > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-install-guide-en/ > > That gives the wrong impression that the guide is not maintained anymore. There's a link on that page that directs people to newer versions. Is there any value in redirecting that page via HTTP to: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/ ? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:00:57 2008 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 02:30:57 +0530 Subject: Missing links In-Reply-To: <1210625767.10256.48.camel@victoria> References: <48286B40.8090500@fedoraproject.org> <1210625767.10256.48.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <4828B009.1050604@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 21:37 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi, >> >> The first hit while search for Fedora installation guide is >> >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-install-guide-en/ >> >> That gives the wrong impression that the guide is not maintained anymore. > > There's a link on that page that directs people to newer versions. Is > there any value in redirecting that page via HTTP to: > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/ I think so, yes. Rahul From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 00:34:56 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 00:34:56 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/documentation-guide/en_US ch-l10n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-l10n-make-po.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-l10n-make-pot.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-l10n-postat.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805120034.m4C0YuGk022973@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/documentation-guide/en_US In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv22966 Added Files: ch-l10n.php sn-l10n-make-po.php sn-l10n-make-pot.php sn-l10n-postat.php Log Message: Don't forget the L10n chapter, stupid. My fault as usual. ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-l10n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-l10n-make-po.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-l10n-make-pot.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-l10n-postat.php' From bela.cseke at googlemail.com Mon May 12 17:50:35 2008 From: bela.cseke at googlemail.com (Bela Cseke) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:50:35 +0100 Subject: Website in Hungarian language Message-ID: Hi there, I'm started to interesting in Fedora distro in the near past. May I know who translated the webpage to hungarian language? Some part not true and not exactly same as english. I agree my english isn't good yet but when I switched to hungarian I surprised 'cos it's looks like not a hungarian mothertongue translated. I'd be happy if you'll need my help for correction. Sincerely Bela Cseke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:21:41 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:21:41 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9 - New directory Message-ID: <200805122121.m4CLLfxg006167@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9 In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6163/f9 Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9 added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:18 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:18 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/de - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMIIP006206@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/de In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/de Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/de added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:18 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:18 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/el - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMIjZ006220@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/el In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/el Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/el added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:19 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:19 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/en_US - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMJLS006235@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/en_US In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/en_US Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/en_US added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:19 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:19 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/es - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMJer006250@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/es In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/es Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/es added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:20 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:20 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fi - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMKie006264@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fi In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/fi Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fi added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:20 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:20 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/it - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMKTR006290@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/it In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/it Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/it added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:22 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:22 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/ja - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMMLF006304@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/ja In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/ja Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/ja added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:22 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:22 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/nl - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMMmE006318@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/nl In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/nl Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/nl added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:23 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:23 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pl - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMNSM006334@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pl In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/pl Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pl added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:23 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:23 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pt_BR - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMNjM006348@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pt_BR In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/pt_BR Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pt_BR added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:23 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:23 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sk - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMNKt006362@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sk In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/sk Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sk added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:25 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:25 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMPpH006376@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/sr Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:25 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:25 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr_Latn - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMP0n006394@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr_Latn In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/sr_Latn Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr_Latn added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:20 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:20 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fr - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMKUv006278@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fr In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/fr Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fr added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:26 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:26 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sv - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMQuQ006408@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sv In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/sv Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sv added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:22:26 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:26 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/zh_CN - New directory Message-ID: <200805122122.m4CLMQpD006422@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/zh_CN In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6202/zh_CN Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/zh_CN added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:36 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:36 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/de/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOa8p006532@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/de/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/de/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/de/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:36 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:36 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/el/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOa9d006546@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/el/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/el/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/el/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:37 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:37 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/en_US/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLObWh006560@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/en_US/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/en_US/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/en_US/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:38 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:38 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fi/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOcSF006574@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fi/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/fi/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fi/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:38 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:38 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fr/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOcbf006588@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fr/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/fr/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fr/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:38 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:38 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/it/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOcDW006604@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/it/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/it/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/it/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:40 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:40 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/ja/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOedH006618@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/ja/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/ja/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/ja/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:40 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:40 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/nl/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOeXD006632@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/nl/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/nl/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/nl/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:41 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:41 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pl/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOfYs006649@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pl/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/pl/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pl/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:42 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:42 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pt_BR/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOgQ3006662@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pt_BR/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/pt_BR/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pt_BR/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:43 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:43 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sk/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOhNC006676@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sk/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/sk/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sk/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:43 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:43 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOhXR006690@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/sr/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:44 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:44 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr_Latn/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOig6006704@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr_Latn/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/sr_Latn/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr_Latn/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:44 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:44 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sv/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOism006718@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sv/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/sv/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sv/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:46 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:46 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/zh_CN/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOkv8006732@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/zh_CN/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/zh_CN/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/zh_CN/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:24:47 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:47 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/es/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805122124.m4CLOlLd006748@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/es/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6526/es/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/es/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:30:51 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:30:51 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/de index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122130.m4CLUpPg007145@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/de In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7134/de Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing de F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:30:52 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:30:52 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/de/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122130.m4CLUqGZ007189@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/de/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7134/de/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing de F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:31:55 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:31:55 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/el index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122131.m4CLVtnL007278@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/el In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7255/el Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing el F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:31:57 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:31:57 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/el/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122131.m4CLVvYV007323@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/el/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7255/el/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing el F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:32:36 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:32:36 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/en_US index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-SystemServices.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122132.m4CLWams007389@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/en_US In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7374/en_US Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-SystemServices.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing en_US F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-SystemServices.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:32:40 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:32:40 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/en_US/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122132.m4CLWe1w007430@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/en_US/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7374/en_US/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing en_US F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:33:14 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:33:14 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/es index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122133.m4CLXEKo007490@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/es In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7482/es Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing es F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:33:16 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:33:16 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/es/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122133.m4CLXGXj007533@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/es/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7482/es/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing es F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:33:42 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:33:42 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fi index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122133.m4CLXg94007598@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fi In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7586/fi Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing fi F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:33:43 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:33:43 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fi/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122133.m4CLXhNt007643@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fi/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7586/fi/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing fi F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:34:07 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:34:07 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fr index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122134.m4CLY7dD007698@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fr In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7687/fr Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing fr F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:34:08 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:34:08 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fr/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122134.m4CLY8kG007741@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/fr/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7687/fr/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing fr F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:34:42 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:34:42 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/it index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122134.m4CLYgVi007802@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/it In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7793/it Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing it F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:34:43 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:34:43 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/it/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122134.m4CLYhbv007845@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/it/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7793/it/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing it F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:35:17 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:35:17 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/ja index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122135.m4CLZHu6007905@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/ja In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7889/ja Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing ja F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:35:17 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:35:17 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/ja/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122135.m4CLZHZ4007948@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/ja/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7889/ja/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing ja F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:35:54 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:35:54 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/nl index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122135.m4CLZsiT008008@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/nl In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7997/nl Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing nl F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:35:56 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:35:56 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/nl/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122135.m4CLZugu008051@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/nl/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7997/nl/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing nl F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:36:31 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:36:31 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pl index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122136.m4CLaViY008123@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pl In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8100/pl Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing pl F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:36:32 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:36:32 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pl/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122136.m4CLaWR2008163@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pl/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8100/pl/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing pl F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:37:12 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:37:12 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pt_BR index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122137.m4CLbCnk008248@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pt_BR In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8232/pt_BR Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing pt_BR F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:37:13 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:37:13 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pt_BR/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122137.m4CLbDk9008291@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/pt_BR/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8232/pt_BR/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing pt_BR F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:37:53 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:37:53 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sk index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122137.m4CLbrLA008360@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sk In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8352/sk Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing sk F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:37:53 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:37:53 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sk/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122137.m4CLbrNo008403@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sk/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8352/sk/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing sk F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:38:37 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:38:37 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122138.m4CLcb65008479@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8456/sr Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing sr F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:38:38 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:38:38 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122138.m4CLccax008522@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8456/sr/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing sr F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:39:22 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:39:22 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr_Latn index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122139.m4CLdMU1008591@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr_Latn In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8583/sr_Latn Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing sr_Latn F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:39:23 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:39:23 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr_Latn/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122139.m4CLdNRF008636@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sr_Latn/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8583/sr_Latn/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing sr_Latn F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:39:58 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:39:58 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sv/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122139.m4CLdw5F008735@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sv/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8684/sv/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing sv F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:39:58 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:39:58 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sv index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122139.m4CLdwtF008692@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/sv In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8684/sv Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing sv F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:40:24 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:40:24 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/zh_CN index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ArchSpecific.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Colophon.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-DatabaseServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Desktop.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Devel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Entertainment.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-FileSystems.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-I18n.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Installer.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Java.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Kernel.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Live.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-MailServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Multimedia.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-OverView.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageChanges.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-PackageNotes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-ProjectOverview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Security.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-System-Services.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Virtualization.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-WebServers.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-Xorg.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122140.m4CLeOoe008797@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/zh_CN In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8784/zh_CN Added Files: index.php legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn-ArchSpecific.php sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php sn-Colophon.php sn-DatabaseServers.php sn-Desktop.php sn-Devel.php sn-Entertainment.php sn-Feedback.php sn-FileSystems.php sn-I18n.php sn-Installer.php sn-Java.php sn-Kernel.php sn-legalnotice.php sn-Live.php sn-MailServers.php sn-Multimedia.php sn-OverView.php sn-PackageChanges.php sn-PackageNotes.php sn-ProjectOverview.php sn-Security.php sn-System-Services.php sn-Virtualization.php sn-WebServers.php sn-Xorg.php Log Message: Publishing zh_CN F9-relnotes ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ArchSpecific.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Colophon.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-DatabaseServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Desktop.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Devel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Entertainment.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-FileSystems.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-I18n.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Installer.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Java.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Kernel.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-legalnotice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Live.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-MailServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Multimedia.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-OverView.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageChanges.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-PackageNotes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-ProjectOverview.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Security.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-System-Services.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Virtualization.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-WebServers.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-Xorg.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:40:26 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:40:26 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/zh_CN/stylesheet-images 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 1.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805122140.m4CLeQ5S008840@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9/zh_CN/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8784/zh_CN/stylesheet-images Added Files: 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 1.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Publishing zh_CN F9-relnotes From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:41:12 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:41:12 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/f9 index.php,NONE,1.1 Message-ID: <200805122141.m4CLfCbv008899@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/f9 In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8894 Added Files: index.php Log Message: F9-relnotes index file ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon May 12 21:44:41 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Bart Couvreur (couf)) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:44:41 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes index.php,1.46,1.47 Message-ID: <200805122144.m4CLifaD009014@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: couf Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8979 Modified Files: index.php Log Message: Updating relnotes index with link to F9 notes Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.46 retrieving revision 1.47 diff -u -r1.46 -r1.47 --- index.php 16 Apr 2008 01:17:10 -0000 1.46 +++ index.php 12 May 2008 21:44:10 -0000 1.47 @@ -13,9 +13,9 @@ UPDATE AND UNCOMMENT THIS FOR NEXT RELEASE CYCLE
- +
- +
[Important]Release Notes for Fedora 7Release Notes for Fedora 9

@@ -24,7 +24,7 @@

---> +
@@ -72,17 +72,17 @@

-
+-->
- +
[Tip]Latest Fedora 8 Release NotesLatest Fedora 9 Release Notes

-Release notes for F8 (updated 2007-11-04) +Release notes for F9

@@ -110,6 +110,27 @@ + Fedora 9 + + de | + el | + en_US | + es | + fi | + fr | + it | + ja | + nl | + pl | + pt_BR | + sk | + sr | + sr_Latn | + sv | + zh_CN + (12-May-2007, v9.0.0) + + Fedora 8 de | el | From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon May 12 23:54:54 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:54:54 -0400 Subject: Website in Hungarian language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080512235454.GB15556@Max> On 2008-05-12 06:50:35 PM, Bela Cseke wrote: > I'm started to interesting in Fedora distro in the near past. May I know who > translated the webpage to hungarian language? Some part not true and not > exactly same as english. I agree my english isn't good yet but when I switched > to hungarian I surprised 'cos it's looks like not a hungarian mothertongue > translated. I'd be happy if you'll need my help for correction. That'd be great! I think there's some contact information in the PO file at http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git?p=fedora-web.git;a=blob;f=fedoraproject.org/po/hu.po It might be good to email the translator/Hungarian translation team about this. Thanks a lot, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue May 13 00:24:08 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:24:08 -0700 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1210638248.15603.333.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 01:41 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: All looks pretty good to me. Agreed that we want to make getting Fedora front-and-center, as that is an expectation and a website needs to fulfill some expectations. Other cascades make sense, moving the reader from getting something toward doing something. Here is the one danger I found in the proposal: > 2. Get access to support tailored for NEW users. > > - Basic Info to make accessible as easily as possible: > - Common Bugs page - what are known issues and their workarounds > - How do I use the ISO I just downloaded? / Burning Media > - What is Live Media? Will it hurt my computer? > - How do I do a full install from Live Media? Dual Boot? (new > users less likely to go full-on Fedora) > - How do I install new software on Fedora? > - How do I keep Fedora updated? > - How do I upgrade my older version of Fedora? > - Desktop User Guide? > - instructions for folks without network access (using yum without > network) > - ACTION ITEM: Research:Ask #fedora folks what people ask for help > with the most > - ACTION ITEM: Mock-up where a link to a page of newbie help > information would be and what the page would look like, plus have an > area for more advanced how to get help > - ACTION ITEM: Remove the need of the wiki for basic information and > set it in fp.o (I'd like to see how the new wiki works organizationally too) I don't think we want to move the content for end-users *away* from where end user helpers can adjust and add to it. We are just about to get them easy wiki edit access! This new(ish) direction for the wiki is probably less clear because I haven't communicated outward these changes in the Docs vision. In the future, the wiki has two purposes: A. Easy-to-edit project and SIG specific information from contributors, for contributors, but useful to just readers. Examples: Features, DocsProject, Marketing, Packaging. Z. Easy-to-edit end user how-to, what-is content specific to Fedora from anyone to anyone; focus on recruiting #fedora helpers to add here. Examples: SELinux, FedoraXenQuickstartFC6, HowTo/iPod, Bugs/Common. Ownership of these areas is then specific to a group: * Each SIG/functional project group is fully responsible for the care and feeding of their content area, including making sure each page has at least one steward watching over it. For the most part, all this happens under the A. purpose. * End-user facing groups (Docs, RelEng, Websites, L10n, etc.) may keep one or more pages in the flat namespace or by-category area by topic/function. These pages need to be owned by a SIG/group, with the default owner being Docs. * Anyone who comes to the site is invited to get an account and update content at-will under the Z. purposed areas, but to tread gently or use Talk: pages for the A. purposed areas. * Page owners are in charge ultimately of managing the content, including discussions in Talk: pages. > - ACTION ITEM: docs.fp.o is working on a user guide and an admin > guide, find out what state that is in, and its home Release of these is slipped a bit but still coming, the Fedora User Guide first ASAP, and the Fedora Administration Guide to follow. Installation Guide and Software Management Guide are two other useful docs for this area. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stonefred at gmx.at Tue May 13 13:34:24 2008 From: stonefred at gmx.at (Wolfgang Magerl) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:34:24 +0200 Subject: Joining the websites team Message-ID: <482998E0.3060608@gmx.at> Hello. I would like to join the Fedora websites team. Therefore I think it is best if I start with introducing myself. I am a 19 year old student, currently living in Sieghartskirchen. This is a small village in the province of Lower Austria, close to Vienna, Austria. At present I am working for my general qualification for university entrance. In my spare time I like to produce electronic music, fix my friends computers and work on web projects like websites or content management systems. I am also interested in improving my programming or scripting skills all over the time. To help the websites team I provide lots of time and motivation. Regards, Wolfgang Magerl From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue May 13 04:51:33 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 04:51:33 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/install-guide/f9 - New directory Message-ID: <200805130451.m4D4pXEi003968@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9 In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv3964/f9 Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9 added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue May 13 04:51:56 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 04:51:56 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US - New directory Message-ID: <200805130451.m4D4pucw003996@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv3989/en_US Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue May 13 04:52:26 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 04:52:26 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805130452.m4D4qQ7c004048@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv4042/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue May 13 05:07:26 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 05:07:26 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/install-guide/f9 index.php,NONE,1.1 Message-ID: <200805130507.m4D57Qs3010659@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9 In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv10624/install-guide/f9 Added Files: index.php Log Message: Add the Installation Guide en_US for Fedora 9 ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue May 13 05:07:27 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 05:07:27 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/stylesheet-images 1.png, NONE, 1.1 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805130507.m4D57Rbq010769@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv10624/install-guide/f9/en_US/stylesheet-images Added Files: 1.png 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Add the Installation Guide en_US for Fedora 9 From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue May 13 05:07:26 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 05:07:26 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US ap-admin-options.php, NONE, 1.1 ap-install-server.php, NONE, 1.1 ap-medialess-install.php, NONE, 1.1 ap-techref.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-beginninginstallation.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-bootloader.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-disk-partitioning.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-experts-quickstart.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-firstboot.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-installer-locale.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-installing-packages.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-introduction.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-networkconfig.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-new-users.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-next-steps.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-other-install-methods.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-packageselection.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-rootpassword.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-timezone.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-upgrading-system.php, NONE, 1.1 ch-welcome.php, NONE, 1.1 f9-install-guide-en_US.tar.gz, NONE, 1.1 f9-install-guide-en_US.zip, NONE, 1.1 generated-index.php, NONE, 1.1 index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice-opl.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-about-document.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-automating-installation.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-boot-modes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-booting-from-pxe.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-bootloader-advanced.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-bootloader-others.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-bootloader-password.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-bootoptions-hardware.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-cannot-download.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-cobbler-import.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-cobbler-mirror.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-cobbler-setup-distro.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-community.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-disk-changes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-disk-druid.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-expert-download.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-expert-install.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-expert-post-install.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-expert-prepare.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-feedback.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-finishing-upgrade.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-firstboot-datetime.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-firstboot-systemuser.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-general-disk-setup.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-graphics-problem.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-hostname.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-install-diff-source.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-install-tcpip-config.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-installer-keyboard.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-installing-from-harddrive.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-making-media.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-medialess-booting.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-medialess-editing-grub-conf.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-network-misc-settings.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-news-subscriptions.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-nfs-install-settings.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-package-selection.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-partitioning-advice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-partitioning-general.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-partitioning-lvm.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-raid-config.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-remote-logging.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-remoteaccess-installation.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-smolt.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-start-installation.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-understanding-encryption.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-upgrade-tree.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-upgrading-bootloader.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-url-install-settings.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-utc.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-verifying-media.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-web-help.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-which-arch.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-which-files.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805130507.m4D57QhC010674@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/f9/en_US In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv10624/install-guide/f9/en_US Added Files: ap-admin-options.php ap-install-server.php ap-medialess-install.php ap-techref.php ch-beginninginstallation.php ch-bootloader.php ch-disk-partitioning.php ch-experts-quickstart.php ch-firstboot.php ch-installer-locale.php ch-installing-packages.php ch-introduction.php ch-networkconfig.php ch-new-users.php ch-next-steps.php ch-other-install-methods.php ch-packageselection.php ch-rootpassword.php ch-timezone.php ch-upgrading-system.php ch-welcome.php f9-install-guide-en_US.tar.gz f9-install-guide-en_US.zip generated-index.php index.php legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php sn-about-document.php sn-automating-installation.php sn-boot-modes.php sn-booting-from-pxe.php sn-bootloader-advanced.php sn-bootloader-others.php sn-bootloader-password.php sn-bootoptions-hardware.php sn-cannot-download.php sn-cobbler-import.php sn-cobbler-mirror.php sn-cobbler-setup-distro.php sn-community.php sn-disk-changes.php sn-disk-druid.php sn-expert-download.php sn-expert-install.php sn-expert-post-install.php sn-expert-prepare.php sn-feedback.php sn-finishing-upgrade.php sn-firstboot-datetime.php sn-firstboot-systemuser.php sn-general-disk-setup.php sn-graphics-problem.php sn-hostname.php sn-install-diff-source.php sn-install-tcpip-config.php sn-installer-keyboard.php sn-installing-from-harddrive.php sn-making-media.php sn-medialess-booting.php sn-medialess-editing-grub-conf.php sn-network-misc-settings.php sn-news-subscriptions.php sn-nfs-install-settings.php sn-package-selection.php sn-partitioning-advice.php sn-partitioning-general.php sn-partitioning-lvm.php sn-raid-config.php sn-remote-logging.php sn-remoteaccess-installation.php sn-smolt.php sn-start-installation.php sn-understanding-encryption.php sn-upgrade-tree.php sn-upgrading-bootloader.php sn-url-install-settings.php sn-utc.php sn-verifying-media.php sn-web-help.php sn-which-arch.php sn-which-files.php Log Message: Add the Installation Guide en_US for Fedora 9 ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ap-admin-options.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ap-install-server.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ap-medialess-install.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ap-techref.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-beginninginstallation.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-bootloader.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-disk-partitioning.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-experts-quickstart.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-firstboot.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-installer-locale.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-installing-packages.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-introduction.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-networkconfig.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-new-users.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-next-steps.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-other-install-methods.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-packageselection.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-rootpassword.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-timezone.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-upgrading-system.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ch-welcome.php' --- NEW FILE f9-install-guide-en_US.tar.gz --- ? Q??t??)O~?? ?l?B+?c????????? gN'"N|'?h??!?,?Nd???<?\?=?J??Db?G?U???n\?mP?????VdAm)?????=?v?D?.??-`?{?1?????}???????vPP??????^t???P_?b3?1F?????????? |W??H????=T???~???=??U???C?f?Z6?XL?>*?h???g??d?[@????b?w?+Px?????b6?A??\?q3~?6???b/]????'?????aW???????"r ?o ?l?#?g{??{h#si?* ?a?b?|,?4?`???l?K!vR??e9a???????C'???|?*g?4?J?k??^???tf{?G?[?2?K=?Q?,I????\????? 5$R?C?|??5h?T??YO?X?A??Y?8?????]?}m?4?N?Hd??C??$???{D{j??????`M?p?????g???!?3S[??el?T??'?E?f?? B5?Q#?s??9???????j>?I(???g?A?-?|k?}?.U??:?????!?'???o???????|?|?`x??-h?????;?????N?0?m???n>?N [?BK??L??\-??f??o???r?\???W??S>V|?z?zm??Y ?`?Ia?A?:Q6I????$??????F?dJ???>?????`]?????pII;i????o?[?????*???E?77?'@???5X?????q? ???k??H`??????D ?h?/?yxJQ0o A[yg??tW?+??Z`???b,^Ck??? ?o?K%m8?$?14?Ii??V??*@??(-?"h.?/?W????e?? ????????'????&??O ?G??D? ?2By)P?]#M??R???de?L???? ?J?H?a?@iJ`#?u??xI??Km a?AI6,???)??i? ???bG??^v}e??.{ C???g??iB??O???i????}?N^???]??Y*S?Xl9(q???>O'???|lnh+??+}???Iy????? ??h.T?nn???X??-??A"20????? ??p???aT?Y????f ?Gw?w??4]?J?B?E???????~????P? ????4?{?f ??a???????(?e?U????w?I\:&???|??_?????? ,?????% *?D?l L??j??$??M???DO`KQ???b?"????E?! ??9???`?????i?j?y????x{?S2oT8?????y??_\ ??_??????q??:??? /v??+0.??'[6??Q?|Z?K'B?3?>.o???_\ilK?xr?q3??????)??)?6_?I?K?)c?H???^VdL?1A?0Y?k?y?~?????~je|2???F????nW???)??2???g}WDg?J%?_u?k ? ?-?????????q??:?)??HV????s???)?W@|b??T?K#Y?A ??*?SM?^?3??????u?.8?>?Q?z?(????c*??8??????"???zQ??+???!??)?Z?F?? ?h?????5?9???@???l0?? S~M~????;&53?`?n??????? 2?????~s?? ?5?-?a???????^???`FHG??i??h???1?:t%??/? ?8?Cs#??wTi??AG?GsX???F???!kp)KPw?CDCdf???[????.??l??????????g?)z\M?????B?{W*?a?|?1H??L?? ??? ?????.?09? r?;'?1?????}????, h#???W ?ys(?M;???Q0b+?"'??y??f4??O'y? ??g????5?V?YQ=]???H'????UVL??OQ ??T??v????:m#d)??3?(J?8NoTu??2?n??Q??I]?a?4+ at I????N&???O?bq?%0t?A3?z?????gu?x??k????nz???????RNI?2$N1?q}??,?*?TC?N~??m??????xDQDt?K??9?@-,?nCI??????6??Xk???(?:V H?4l??8?K?>#9- ?????m? ?-? ,v?g}??q??1?A #m?T???y?????1Rz????a?(,? X??fC???M?e????Oo??? ????'??????;?c??.o_'?k9????????b????,?y????m?~??%?O?^t?;pEdQ??????? ?9??H??????wL}k??.C??L???5?V?=?ME?z?Z(? ???h1T??CP>??}E??I}????dV>????%W??{?f5t???Cw??63?????[??0??T?$?4y*?????z ???V ?+????S??),????"op???N4??? ?@?-??fyo????^????????O????_i????\?,?c??K??"U ??Zz???8V??f??a???"?!0~B?i?w???? ?%p?4X?Q??>? ??`?\.? ?????????C?o*?,pZP?? ?j(?n?Ok?@)=n? @cZ?fTF?? f?8?????fy??O?????6?<)?#9oH??#?0?7?????O???@?l???_??????}?5?x??bA?pp??.?]]!??/????????_ ?;?????s??_K[[?{??[{?????s?xkK'?O)?#6?-?????C?]n)? ???? }2?icg5?r??DM??s? ;?X????x*j??^?0?1S??M|?x ????q;?????"HIy????:s?????+??T????-??'\?]V??ds?????O';#W?:??R?????t???@S??X??7a??S %????????D?????uM?J????oG????-?`?m??c?Uwk???L'??V?Q??O??+??w??????5??Y????????)?c??????+06"E?m?k?;?7G??7?W?|?2?5?5c??2?W{????`+?"??&C?*???"?? ou?????FY????ZEy M?>???????Yo?H????KY?JI?-O?Pn?`*?^F?=_??\??1%?2?????????z???7E[?? ?m+R???????Q{2??????ntS??W?>F?L?Jb?D??;????M??j??Y???G ??Y????????}??Q?^}[??????$?????>7???{??]qG???2????%?=?u?l??F?K???f????????Nj????lY?CjK Z???V?v???vr???#????}w ?Z?j-?s?wn???!??g.:??^????h(?8???4=o+?c?A?1udJI??????g?Mg?{+?|^6]??*?e???Y???????M?????Z????5?{???S?g?/?YrJ?!pT?????????~???fy?????}z?o??0?d???'b??%?5?,?=9q?J?????sW?>4? ?&{}?Q?k?.? 9V??vn2?BY??~?????u\^??Y?{??????+? 3h?~?????n??????`N?????tUp[f?????g?g??????2?P?\???!?)? ????T_??5U??-??s*??o\2K??=????27??|nza??????ha???*??=????\???es????0?s???????fn&t??V????6??h?!?f??%?Y{????se??I?%?l???fI?????????????{S^LwsPy*9mSwcI?????^?I.{g??:?UG??? ??/w?U???H2?N?;?pY?? jbz??? ???_?Y???????WR|3b?)?????P?_%????R????x?????M%??D?[?????8ce![??Y???&????g????????$?6??]??}7U,n?>?p??????? ?O????v??S????;????Z:?](?????{???t'?U??d????????Q????_e?<{!?????{?.?f?"F?t???1??????Y??????at????????????;?E?g0?*????eg??<Y?*1?H9??????s3i?Ma???E,????%???o????nbE???i???^{D??t??J?3??oK??GR5??e?S??{??r?r??GA???52?vi?Z???V?G{??;??~??????f?-|?%S3YjZ0????>????n5?I??"N?$? ?q?W}5?c??????[?U??]??T??;??jf?????:s???????YZ'>)???n?? ?;??'??q??.?-??7 7gW????W??b?<{^??Z????v_m?]%??*R??u?????Gu????C/>sI?m??o?^???F ?Z???f???]."~???] ?mz^????a??0Ww? J ?????\?g??`??|<?2???+gt?*??">I!5_?Us3??n???o???Q?%??p???j??E???N????I6??7????[???;???c???Sq?]?'I?C????b./s?E1TU>@9??any????)?v?7?????p??????s =-Lf?X???%&??=????P+;?????R?????D??o????f?W8~??Wm???w???R?hSU??????v?G???&?5????S?J=????{??g??u????wlb???????r?'????~?AS???wV??8O??1e???R???Z?/?7????????7l??{?/?7??6=???,??#???????Q9Y:Q3? yN?????tY*?R+p??ND??: qT???OT"O?/dV5%fO*?~??4w?S??7??+??s?Fiw???;?~E?A??2e?%??y?\G??o???=oC?|d??T#??Yg??+??q??J??????c??????.????Re???Pa????a?1w?????S??U?t??k??;Ge>?"?[o?F?>???-??D|V [w??sHR~??:???.?AJN???Mm?]?????"V???d??Ig??z_?M|???x???????4?B????*m?r?j_??????}?[nc???????>m?? ??8????e?6-M?{????????R2???? ??y3?l???\??3?q[4???Q$????????????ac?U8`%eb1U?7?> Cq-???G?L1?g???E?????KM????I9? ?A:???8?\??-5/?????yX??`?g?????G3%.??_??`^?j)W?? ??n(Y^?26?? -h?<`?3??i??????xg>?wa?j'> .???K=Vd???& M?????6=b?s?Q?r??6???Ts|5W??\????+???]?"?g??lSF???q|?? ?j??A?P???4???????????w??akIc7?????a??? ?d????U????{??r??B???U_???K??X???9??Cg?c:%[??x xwQ7?E?f?9??????????????????) ??????B????_????g????s?'?Dt????????$??j,???!?$0?UW?<$)<.?]?=???>J???$?E?]??N?F???O??]u????U??i?-???6L??p???!??????DN?x???h????\V-???[?q?J???????8???=O|^Z???U~9_??7?yuDY?~?????kL?????S??& ?y?{j?M.?r???VVJ??\Z??????R7/? ???????m???.?y????l????'"?????Nh???????[?B?&?H?o'd_?so??iAWf?sr? x????? w?^?"??u?2?~zV?~????6?\???}6T?????S?_?? ?50??*??j ???????a?yH? ??d@???T??? 3 at M??? ????=?B7|?/.?}nYU???? $%?22??y+? ;??q?ACC?????Ep???0-1B33e??#?_Q+?Hi?KD'%?]"e????A_?]?E"W??????v?eU????????`?w???? O?rZ??5? ????!??????s???R? ?[?f?6??B??=#u?-??s)??^?V?|$?98?????^ ? P?9??????8????e&?W?5a?Ah.??????p?+?4?=? & ???w3????J6?GS?J?R??"?????.{4???ww{/??3??X?M??H?????S?? Xp??9??? D ??q?3B??O?Qfb??7???116??I?H?/a-1???n%???[?TT?fgu?????A VY V?????}?W%iT)??g|?y?~????? ?g??'?:?????||?34??@?6????zz78?FEK?)????????S??????|?vQ{%??wV\?.???{?N?? ??0?`q?_?Y???\???>?a*??cQ??nT?8?@9??bV1???g@???????Z ??.?3K]2???c5? S???????,???%:f?????W?Y?R?u??s?????"?4h???w[pJ5????3?{?QO? ('??Y3s??%?? f?????]??tl?&*<?????Z?Q???i?.-????????h\?u?:???1:??37???s??+???d????????.s???l???|???u??W??Ny2???w???O??? ?_T?U?\sIT????TTl????dc:6??F:??;?a?Ly3k??:{?P??J??xO??5??He?"W?y?EM? ???x? ?L?N???Sc??i??I u?????1??hW??D?{v??!l m?`>ec?i;q?}W?s/???q??b\??V?D?z$?TF?w?I9??u ??(?????*Z??tq??)?*??4???k uM???v'?%S_?.?`;?@??i?5iN???;?????????n??]??1M???{88F8t???j?N??X?(?h???Y?p6S??p??&?4??"??X5gBEt? bN???q????S?T????????O???z\?[0?&?`vU? @???>????GJ?Ya?'?6?????HK???dn???a?? ???o?_7???????om??????X?l) ;q???????!???? ???@M{D?'??A ?W???????z? ??? ??=yGk+K ?Te?{H?#0@???9???C????_?ux[i????2??I?\.???2k???L?-Ut?n??>'BL ??????%??bg ??Y? ??B?}?~"???bxKa'_H?H??D5????M?????vL???E??c ?????JQSZ???bC?F^??2?8G??)?Zv?g?!??n???X? =hS? ?k?b???15??ds9@?????G~?zb[?2Y?c?????7g? ????:?(????~??8?@??)??E????S^? ?w?[??)?`~??????i_?'?D??4Q-A? /h?d????g??? ????o'?[^k;???4?>??,?X?????z???=??V??zw??A??(???I:2_{ ?u???c????nW??c?????;?NS?8?TgU?EG??????)Nc?7?z?j?hRw?? ?? ?1R ????r?+X/<.?'kj??????Y?X??>6M????? f???(:????7??????? l??????/aB???av?e?,?????Q ????d?r??E?_??Hi?45??N?I?l?Q{5????V???aF??????P????5???i?kCU?$?????j??B? :??%?6?>_?0d??F}???DQu???+&????M?H>??'??k?VPG?6??5CJRy??is???"?????$!?????o?FZ?T???V?!??':??? ?E????q?7{6B??s%A?????*UBzI???c??(????Q?????????n????d???Kp?}??ua????4?v?????[?[?2a?;c>??O?$?X?l K#??6????xu0HF???5|????PC?J?+?+&'av????o?V???????p???? ?W?I?o???3??UA??w???????%I????dI????=`{??F??oKE????}??V?[??`K$Fxu??I???V?????H???TW?0R]????i?z0???Ak%?g?V N???i\R]K%-n?h?4?_???H?^???M??n??cL+k?D????4R?????????-????HF?*?????V?.?$=?'???R?R ???????2??????Bw[??@I%w?dk?6?'??KRj????????8U?$?Y ??d????q???X?????4O?Z?b????????w?????/[t???w???k?I???0qa??%?KV?_#/?P,???{x???q???J%-*5)"c?"?l???Ih???f???-?H??(?iB{??,)?d??^????=3 ??l????f??{?=????s?K??n??u??$??s???e?G?_8_????IJ ????????^k/7Y$'o??^^?#?3Y??s??/?C3?:M,q?????$;:?P??>??Kb??????%T$?|?[nm[????? ?m??{7!?????J??K24??_?\X?@??F?zC??H????jaW??? ?? ?iz??Kn=w???yvB9???? ??\???i????;2?W?9z??i?|??????nJ?]? ?y???i?g6z]??X?&?*??# ????b`?"?E??{???'????? ?=?)_?>8??ccBy????On&gX?{???8_???V ??V???lfL???4(???_!g?k?j\P3{????????3 B?????c?P'"o?6'??\X3r??@ayP-??VD??V?X?|???Nyi?m???kLGT???V?T?6??.??\??/?U??aJu??????&??q2??2?yB????????a]???,??N??p???U???t???*?Dg?? X5z??{S??=[???b?7????(?k?v??l?jg?'?h???_??x?-?f??;??`3EnD[????:$z(?/?|?{???M,f?d?O?jaj????t2>??~??W??5?B??t? ???V???? ???v??MOI?Q{??X???????'?????C?9_????/uLS?????????E{?????.s?o????%fn?W???iC????uW iz?"45v???[z-???!??R?%??wcx.?z?{????Q?Wk?\kK]?t"D6:z?dj????$\*????*?(?z??(?????x???aKe?????u?aodm2|Y?ER??o?k????6w??]???????|9????C??+???u???W? ?s??Fi??????F? ??wj??|L????p)z*+?>?X,qg/??a6???????~b??uI??=S???J5l???X???P8???F???X?TZ?kV?%?pxoM??o???`???S-???/?Z??@{\??8???s?b???(????-ow6~?{?'?-?@n??????/D???0^V?E???u??9?a"?A???^???k?????????h{GD???B? 2????I+2 ?g??_Z)???TV&y44???????U???0_???S??o??D???s??{W9??3>????,"X?????????:??eO?y??>p???ey??q???g?@J?SF?9????T????W&?? K???o??0*?vS?q(7oi???./???F'g?????\??+?????F?e?3Zq4?????I?1?k?D??5kY????6o????%??y??$??g???/6??,?k?0k?)%???,u? T??k1??f?g6?pE.?yYs6??Bk???]???L\,??f?b???)?f??x??D?%?+??01w ?U??X?O????7^??? e ???9Kz??|??i?L@???F\_oi?_e???_? ??p??6?k5.a??=?rpDe?v??}.f?Z?;??}???U4??????? ??-b??k/ ??????6^?H?????????E??%_?j????v????s??T??????6????W?q>?J?.????q????"Ai2?M??????? \??W]P????L??b?Y`q???;kC????#R=o?dg?2??J\"??Q???????w^9??f??#?m?9v?BK?lUp?a??????.?q/cw?s??JT;?-??1??Rz?^?e?&??}le???Ogm?>/???)?v??`Nw ?DQ??+*???lD,n?????+?RL???{??7J???(R??l?3?th??!h???[ ??N?H?????????????_??]?y*E`-|? Q?4?w????????G??.?) ????/lEe??kO??!??^??M9????? ?? ?n?y???Fj>e9??^?l?Zm}5 U?Uzo?L?n???M:=O?%?n?2>h`?ir?????CC?????????,WI??rd??-????^?3???p?R ?%???"^?a&?? < ????k??C<{??{???]????1~?_??knn????)?/??L?E?6 ?k????V?rnFfI?7?G????{????:af*?}?a?gT?\????G??????????X?3???}?%??O:}????3???I.???x}?? 9?l???S[??3?Q?}{?Y?R?Iu?|??,????N???3-j??4???u??/??*?3 ??^???/l/??Kn-?p?|?s???\X? b??<;??;?/??po?`?<9tr{>I???i?%;??,??G?r??=[>+|l??k?l?????x??l?1??o ? D?Gw? ???.p??????r_??J?k?? Vh-?????;?X?%???N???|??????p????o??yP*C??w??[??i?q?I,* -~?4?I`???????R6??????-??{sR]6??x?37???\wJ?ia%1??O>??????????|}???B?h??tt}|??0?0?;??>?>??? ?y~R?'?I????????^ 1,^ ??9n??????c?X?(?????E(?O^{?p_z4?i???]??e???!o??&y??[!:j4?u???B4p?$y???c}???S|? ??/??x4)?:????????P??????)??????]???|?{????????k??P??L#+?????1nX*@y??V?KRH???e?? ???V_?a?_?~???g????h?y_????=30??B??? ?^?z"?? ?v ????b???9???`??|v-??8??>??[1~\B? l????nB?*???????|??2? ?Qn??8??U??H?????2?c?-J ?B??O`?.???N?k?c?#?r?\ti?????? ?9??R?o????n???&?9??UG???????s??5bu?dX????????2e???9yx???? >????????[???`'??K$???,???n ???b??j??sJ?? ????K?U}+f?v???V??g?;? 3}l?#bg?????V??=??k????ok1~??O??????k??j?????/(??8?Oy?t`v>;?Oh???G?QaW???V;?1?? P??S=?s??t/ ??J^?????Z,Zk?U???m>???P???|_nx?!??E?7???}n????P????2??s?o^kv?v???-:???!??#???Id?Q?1SHHX?rtB02???,~M??????I 5?7%?n`ji??R??H?.-;???? T?????;???s}??F? ? N??Q????TOl??O????D?C#??[?7??????? 8@?U????F??SUg??G#?*??L???{*JJk]??L?L0????MIZ???o5#?6?P????#?9YR?7O at 1?fsY?e/Bo? d???????L(?l??ef?E?1?3??*??(????)5??0?????4?N"2???x??r?l+??/KQ??c?j?Y`)?a??;????{?+?DX")????? ?3C?6?%+?s??0??B????(P???`???^?????J???k?L?y?~r9??G??Z?d????? ????/8=???p?? ???Zi?ZK?9??????0??UH%??]>??}dlo&???A???w????-`?&?c??????%???,?ER?aK ??zuH?l*?? ? ???? D,3?0I????q!Q?j??M??????T5ik??S??en??'QZ?>+??N????6h?^?vZ ?????????s???=???????x1 ???D)Hx?????????????,???&??Z?V?_?[0'??p%?'??e?"????U=}?????????/???e?? G?F?~Q???2???? ??2f ???, ??&??r]??G????? ?Y)?5?l??B?y??h{????'ZcG????z?=?v*??&?/?Q]???????{??C????I_?? x?a?*{???K??e??y?????P?;njTiytz].y? ???(????#fBg???r?=????}??i?N????????7j?]?C?$???/?Z1?k?]nGd+?Es?^?????i?????G??@?'?eO.{?6???Ik8q?yS?????tF#K???N??2;TI??c>{???????????e??????Re????#?.??? \\%B1bi???????????wJXI,P8h???-????????|??\?z???O?uP????Da????????.??p>?9 |--?8??+??oaD7f????\??*?U6?????a?g???w???+;gyV???0,HeT?g????y????????P`?+????Y ?{????d??_????V2?*???i[|???@]?????^?b??\???:%?m3> 6??4??????mO?_C??Y????????)p??#1g??=??/?:[XD??^,eR?? ?aS>??_^M????????k?????,?:znG??rY???s ????^x?U;?E6?+7T`??m??`??e???U??u!'v???X?a? 9s???u?w??K??Z???.}?????/?]t44hS?6?h?A??? T??Ba^???q?W?i ???N????Bh"???G ?C6e/?,*???a????K|??o\??0O?}.?~$??H??`?b?,???7??/?????k??~???? M???g????u?lW????????+6?p?Y?F] ?6?????U?1??g? ???4?? ~3;??f?\?5?@???"y? .?????Z????-???,u???3? ??Dvn???e?#??o?;?? g&mxf`???=y?l??!?LL?????u?????{Nw??Y?a?7?????K????J?}7???d????Mz?????|?3?^:???,??????\??9????w-]s?*???vd?Y!??o??}????&)B?????Um???d???BK???Z?????>j????>Hx ?? ?3?d??%??Q22z???? ???6????r?M??x?????????????lQ??Hk?t#???O??Px[_V???S_?? K?O?4?)???sk??CYj?%?Agr=??U???U??KuA????????7??K??U)+?"#{Mf??????l?.?????9???y?????E????f?????qlJ?]?d???K-d??qs<*ogt??3?;?\ Zk$?Nu??!??}???[?i???Y?J???y?}^y?????H?5O???o???@N???>y????J??y?78?Y?x??'????\???l\???%?S??????yJ???aE?(ic;???]s/??m ??w?????9b8?oT9??y????w7?5??{w????5c??????4}w????,????M??E??@q?0??o???^????^??(?F????>???O?%o[V'?6?zh??"??j?? ??8?x?}?f?`h???}0????r??/>??#Z+?????5?d?`??9?sB9?????G??r&vt}Y?I?A>NM??wR?`?2?%l???'}`?F?????Cm-??3;K?ie?/??d?sG6b?l,???%?y? xR?sld?X? ?w?5?lG\??:Z????~h?^??ZJ??????^? ?)-s?p??????z???????r??E?,?_+u?????*???x?uy]????mZ???????M???j?w?^??0?x?f?0???hy??c???9??+?W?*9?z??;T???>??bi?? ^:?keE??z?)2?O?n???<9?n?e???K??o??????????????f???P???eK??(? ! ?{f??Z???t??l?x?lI~???G?B?????]W?q?;g???????>?M5?[?????"?v?,??(?A)UdF$?e!tt? ???c???\*n?z???.n? ??j???H]? ?!?T??tUm??Xai?})A???d????G??lJ???? ?????H6t ??L??wT;???fw[???? ??/<??3?^2?b6?0FFgw??s??????#s????l?,????N???\????????o_??B???W-???`i?????0?Ei??L??Z^??z???~QdO??/>?}?w?????#iV? ?!????^E?qE?4*??>??T?g???s?]???*p?L???n=g??XT????? ?"??Go??%`? V?F??%ha*H?Q[???S???????7???????p?0)-??????? q67v?R???5????%?|b? ?????W??h???-{Ldn.?Z???b??s??W??????????;Z??+???w8)W[c8???p?d? A?y?lz??r?^d?p???????1{a????X?"??T????5?>G???,5??p?w??????.Upr9w???f?I????L?Y:+c8sc??.?????6?5??"??i????YAhq???}o4???C#??6???nw???7)%z ?R?????4?30*??i??X?fGf?????qW/z?? 9?,???o??7??huB7?i??y?x3^9?M?????K?A3?1H??????????C????*??u???6??g00??bR?Yd????w?\????Ly??z??Xo?C??7kl^K???)??=|C?#?`?\???+??9t)?Y???i????[???(q?{???7????3??????0?????A0O???6??:?????1?=?X?9r???????6?-?DW?????%?&???&??b????cv????????????9??:?:????2~?um?D[??(a???????n?9?f??:???????pUwk??*>?u~??U??|??,G49 ??G????(N??i?j?/=?v?=d??E?&3 ????c?=????B?? 9???n????|o?SoN?r?????ow3?=eF????F? ???????n~4g?n at K??????G????r?F 7B???????O?`i? ????yOK?~?T?L !)a? ?9???E??k~` ?k?@}???B?S?\_?@?y???>?z?p????3?l 6, w????+9$????)???V#???_?}?????????IZ+> ?^Q?x?? &????r????Q????fQ???o?LZ??7??????????t ?????X?|????D?T??m??1}B?y??/????N??)???????"??|U?????D+;??E??K}?6*?W????.???e?,5??????f5????=9z6? )???????]??yG)????Do>????? ?}9?????^????;/lmyU?A9???v??;k????\H????*?.?\????.U$????8Q#???L(|?a??e?r????wV?p???????,,??r????T?j?R?b?]?????o??l?T?k?\?F?)z?a??"???Z5??=l z?Eb???B?qWK???n???}??E???eqr???^V??X%P?%_(??? 5?^\0?\??e?p?'?N???????k?PtNz?!^???r?j~0R4V??{A?g?*????*??????%???*???Z??"U?uK???6X?.1}}z>?i?2????k????j?? !r\2??k?Wv??<.w?7U?,??????vW?U\T??0?sf?z?$??p?}??f=?b??g3??5?a??X????????w??( ???.?????????Q???U?]??? ??\?j?WV??r+?????wW??x?H????{yN?m?????V????,?9qU,?"??\??1?C?g8:?yn???:?q]4?f+?;?ckh????????m\Y?Y??|???q???wTm?v d?[E??>???C?y???a?N? ?????F?x2??r????4v?r_??H??mC??]??Dw??+bJj?[??\??(?U?N??j???7???*SoZ\{,6??O?y_???QR???G??????????t??&?{Q?????\~???M\?>n?i6???P?????+.S ????zpv}?u.?zM?d?m(?u??????????o?G?????1_-$??gwk?????q?9?3????????h??>??k???~jx!?]p->?(? [?s*????gd? ?(N??U??? ?>?!?w?Y ??C't?5??gvnY??3?s??cf???Z ? =v?~*?????/??????d????g?X????=[???_HH!??????N?X???&?XIJ????W?;?QW?r&T*y??H>?+??????|U?? )T??u??k???if??[ ??|y??U?? zqo???????WG?j?3;??,5?????~?9?o???]B6'?*????d???oJ %?s?I??-?rr:?K?q??1-z\y{i???vw???,??9?w[?g?2??3=?/???????????????_??{??????9??e??S???Y???????|???X???;n??^nK???L???'pH{?KgO[z??M ?7??;$_Y?R?????????&?.?W* f?s?Q9??2$/)*???Z?Pr??????h.I[u????'?ue?WvE???????{?S?A??`?m??K?B3w.>?S??]FF?;???W??)?Qj??$ ?*.^??y??],?L???jk*MT???f_qp)`R}???=? ~??????lox??u?#???D???u??E?R}?.??z?.??S}??rg?Lyy.????Qo??2?I?Z?[\? ??~???)*?????f???;lA?8V2????E"L/<07q???5???va?=?????p???b???????Xh?WVO?????d???/?_\Z\z??II?w????????k`?a??U?? ?~??l??G???{?????P"f??q1?3??N??????/?)?G?;#G#GG?K3?;{?(?=?u?`8s????y?o4???????b??}?v??/R?9??]9x??1?j!????i???#?????i6f??_?-'?t???SW{;??o?K??yI ???&?]?t????????Z??d???mV?f?SY??mf??^?#???!^?D?B?~?{?V?'r??,3w????dL?5?\??s^?6c?C3???4l??ui??????_!?????(??3B???????d??x?G?{???o?2?U,?????X???P??/!QU??????k>????@,?/???K^???t???q?Xq?$????????t??%Bx?o? ?? s,~??{???p?????l?g?&???j?%?? ???o?3?i????K)BQ?q?E?"Ub????? ?m?v?'???|2??z?????L???? ?L%l???H$?$K:}z??o?l+c??LB?x? ^?i'???- ???|??????ZW?????,]*?????g 9????r?c$?l_s?s???B????=???9K?y_?;?'?1??:??~?????c?5??k?y??o??g ??d5??U??]??k???a?j???>?b?E ?v?X?????PC??????#?,;?x??m??c?R??y??3%??#?g/K???m???J????????d?????????]????>p??? 7V??d?w??w?|??gO?f[??U??9^? ?K#???/?)?xbYL4?b?MQc#u|.?_U???????j? ?g??&?z4h???(?z;?SFN???n6h??j???c?????_'|g???3???O????a???i??t????K???.??5??Y?NFa??????j? ??p-?????Y6??? ?I,9?.??/???S??@?7???>u????.txhRc??????*Ac??m?M???=??vcV?w??\???W???x/??????J??J ? ??N???6?^?r?u??#??????;?96K???h????h?x?3???g???e?r??=??+?xs??w????duj?,?????w????????????&???Tq???????+Mi???gT?K|??6???? ?P?TV?U\P??v?k?M????ogLT+?T???????G?????q?g??ow)k??=,???v??$???m?s???m|s??> 1?????O?{???/????p??q?1?-??R????|?????I?}?????O???Sd???WV|?s????{i;9n]3?;P?mX?RT$?b?s3????b?r?g%?w???8B^~M??/?U???tqi at z?????-?????yA:Y\+?????7??? x? W??m?????,>$?y???E?_???~xeI??????~1??W?U??}????2A? _??e[??%?f??p?}Y?p??????\???Ts????????Q?f?w?]? [?T)?????B???^?????sph(??kR)W?F???y?#>?s??-%???????x?oTr????UgY????2??A }}?"+??????/????y????'Scc.??????O???_r?Ob???a[??????;?A;{???7??????:????-?i?ztGupf????i?????Y???3?X[?G,b???'?%d9?_dK??l??Z?aS ????? ? ???v!!!Z::q??}? ???O?Vn?ojj:C??Ih+?W???j^?C?5????????{??2[??7??7?[XKHI???(???\XPP??D ????[???D???MNi?6O}?Cg??V?????]5?P???????#B???a????x??-'99Y'??DBBhXX???|?C?????K,00???W(????VR??????q?R(??*#?????7??????Z?~????/7????? ?x?FNN??F????7???s???.UC?8)?X\??????o\??l?g???x?y?"?EJ??"flNLL|e&??|??`/JhA at O???/?]?8?s???????g???q>-]??????E??????|??.?????/?_??~t???72X?h?q???????)?????3=<U??t t}???(?%????????5?{????v???? ??????U???)xqF??&?H?????rs?? ??6E99????-{5???]7?j??????{p??_^?S{??>e??? ??Ee?w?;??|F????=??45YF[?n??i`??*??? G?Z????R??????ko??%????*$?&/bf?S?GZ?/??cnT??????? ??%?Qg[?h??\xYM????)???? Ryp7!Gr ?????{???{????*\R??????v???W?????JIJz???2??7????????????:????!???????Gt?E?\!?y?n??? t??f`jS+Z???Eh?+$?K15?????????%??????7????????@RR??????87?g?1??(?;#?????6??;w???j8?[?M????%??L7.???7233?cbbbo???????4Sp?U???:???-?^?x??????xS ?%?????N|???????62Z83S7m????&?? ????X?*????????gJ?/????1D???-?????????E?????Qi`?C_?g??9h{X?l?h ????F?????X'g???8??#}+[*?8??q??8???A?l??d,??%?r??8?#?B?$u???) ????QC??@?M??0*<?C? g#??QShV ?h?N?g?p!?;;`?0????jO?a?b hd0 `??+?#? Gvg?z????Fg2$+??6??3????*????Z?$x`X???x2+?#?!gE ? ???J?*?B???P??@??u?-??&?????9?Z?IcP?rlR`,Z???S?k| ?;?&[?%?,4i u<?_d?3 ?^???rh???IHS-tf??2Z??D??mk"??L?bi??*x?8????Ht L?? ?????UqnX ?~?????? }?`Eh=6 duY?C+?ZPd?;??#?;???*?M??? `"Cf2x X???`???5?&)V?????spv???`M]?[????2alR4dBB? $????? ?r???Sm "? I"???? ?w??????5 z?"??wy?c?a ???`????? ?z?????D?\2?R?? <???c?W??8?)?????????????g(??G?????? ({????[????=?8??BBL3?&????t ???F4?D??????????P`? ????$A$ d???i???? ?S3?`hf??=???+????v??9z?? ^?????$a?0??v??!M??`???8???Q????*uK?3 gG? ?? ???ymp??Yh! =?3R??????_ ??s3D&;?PJ??` L???}?????t?n?????iZg e??? ?uP??x??9?a?9h?? LF??!????(??????b?] `B???????? J?????p????H??8?$S??8????U y% ?N6?_?D???65y??h2meK??`??;????W?????7?u??????p????3?L???usV??#?L ???????su??s?) ?XG???0|f(?&Z?NY?sw?'???W????G??????upt?????o ?????????!U??????z>N?????YQ?5????/FU??????;6??j K?%`?X??s?l? ??????D,\?M??-?Z?N/??L~e< ?de? 1??,?WDX;?S3Lh??n???N???` c?W??%S 5?C+K?fcPo?P#4?XY???h?i?Bx{???9v??YA8 ?I??????`???????Xq ????@G?AH9?????? ??%??$??3?? 6BqX ??ad? ?JY:^0?_?!???}??????0???d????gI???b?R?"???()*%1??$?l?5?\C?N+??$?u@?LS?'$W???e??u]??|'D!J?ae?O? ?)A?Z?y??:<G?)?????FP3?'2?+??j,b?NM?V?9 ==????????xe Jj?.?5??#?Q- j???6?8 }???? ?*??M?k??????kxjhc?bAx???,??{??????8+? ???) ) ?~~u?7?!?Te? B?|E???R}?nQkI??Y1????#B=????$h%d?eD??a A???I??i?????u???qPy(-?U?R????]?VQA?u;???_?O???d &r<??^??9n?R?1????!??,?-?v???/0X???? ????P?u?i????S????q?P,??!-? g??? ??? ?E??????*p????XI?d??'?TqGo?I??l???_??p??7S?Y?v#??065? BL??j??%?X7Gj?G?aEB)?#??;t?LYz?9u5c??????R????B?dz???cH?3??x,p?k???d??dN???6\Ff???j?/9??x(?o)#??1?k5Nw??????@??C?"??Ef???s????q??X?@?? v#?.?????%????.s???F?4????&ED?W899????pp?$t/?x*jI0?Z-4?rt?????zV8z?P@????????Ba,??z?e?H???n??O???\??!?]w??m?~Pw9a?p?Z?*p ? ?#!?+/?D?Kt??n?9??4U?D?????bp?@?{?PQ4???aBL??s????tn??!?????,h???A'??2?? ??%???????VJ ??@?,HVj?d2?"\?}???f*W?????U?????!???x?ah?%NSBT1 ????0)t/?????? ?)?o?0z?$`a8????FR????x???C4??????a?H?~?y(t??? ?iN?8k @??'*.*!1????????????I???2?Z ????B????(?zS?~????}j?I?|????7U.???????M?????7?0?l???i?????????M?Hs??rb[??.?T?!???+?h?-?? ?>?H???E:0??c?I?????X?X???9WtR3???-b?b?"?SGst ???>?" $A????I?????????_p^?E?b?Vc?V?+;!u<?+?x+["0??"???"?*^??<@X?f&???#H??p????K2d.???????????'"?.*?? ?? ??U.uUDd=XD??????U??^?7o??6??A 3?uUwWWWWW}+??t0???"?? ??c?I?p??q???_W?mH{????Z?8??>w?? %j?r???!O5.j??? V??rk8u?@I??? ??z??$?N??????[??`??O +I]F,y5???D???????5?`[???Yy???Q242?1??Y?sF??5????AM?? 82??"h??{?}?????so?L?c?? ????&?u?|C???^6?*????VZ?X??? ??Q?????v?+B?!??? | [?< ???L[??a??O???? XJ?? ?C??W????v/DL@?TLfh 0M??????@e&M???x?P?C cn?Q?????*[d??1???0]X?0$y??0D5VU5???b? ?j-???? I?{???H?B??"kV? h??1????-?PC:2s?*???? ?.|7M??O:`?#?#?0??r?? ?@?? ?hg?`/??jW0@? k??u?????c_Oh?????N?W????0??F ?? ?aih?{|!?s??]j???l ??N??equrc??XX?5?W?Q:?T?) 1?"{??-(???r?p??s&_q?IK*?q?? s??h?du?+??d#S$?0????h???(??MeF?? # >u?m?:??? .?t9?????c?Zc?U?X?F?????F????x?M`???i??p'?. -%&?-( ?? ?gvg???B?c?@$??u8?p???2?,j;o??? ?- &?5?m???p???'F?&A???c?? o?QB?Ny yD?????*??&?v???D?g?*v?q`???? 9??N?#??c!?Z?+?b??-??j? ?? 6??? r??t???~R&?1^?????????E?y??dE??ff??{?c?N??v??9?8? T???u????0??ZG?????+?ozUGM???{??? ?mc?T?@??'?`???{?T?/???USc????g?????? ?_?P???v*??d?????l\Ol???B??]??*l???+=??g???Z&V(???6?? ??1??0??\??"cH"G4z?e??N?]O ????G?x?TB?IBP?H???" #?E??d??L?#????m??????n7?E$?? ~5?"pU?? ?b?? \N~R??F?7H???y:M"?Y?!????5?H??:????Q?7????He??v;?U:k???2i??%?)?!L].?T-?2?0m?{?????l+Q; ?m??J?0??????F!?~`?h???+??????}??&?YN2V 9`|?????j?j?[?#`W??V??K??!?TcW?4??k?q? ????????bO???Ha???eI????T???a?L???|E? ?????y`hA??0x?ZH=P#r?^?fXx????6?????#?G?(Z^\????P@?P;??H?????N??d?r????F??7?rL??/??w$M??A???;S?9??t??????M?EF~ %???'???PAD ?Tw ?@? ?????#??1?Pb~?"???.??!?e???P?/m?rcU4?k??W:t=???7 ??D#?> ??c?O*&?%??{??????3*??'?X???w?=???V$,?I; ?????MXi4b??????8????!o???P ???e?t??s 8??k ??Uq???H??A????Kd???!???L?c?P????? ??z}??I??9?MpW????~7M+?8??/??Y???Rhq[-Jo?i?&????,9"?$c?]^#E??????JF?TtyP0?P???? ? }[? 2??!?,??L????2?x?????.??Q???)B??A?Y???O?tA??)?BY L?6#???^pM?>??{??xYl?(??&??g:? ],,j;??????a?gmR?????Y'?g??5?B????&z? ?Auu??G???2?A?/ ??v}K??:?AD#N??7???e???F(??`??`????1??h[AaM??%7?c????r???)?o?????z???? *?P?;3 a?r?hO;@?;j?D?'8W?????]??????????z????????k?>4???gg????_2S2ly????O?? ???r??{?/^?;? Yor??G??????G?? ?Q??&??????!rt ??4?f??'???????VM? ????GS?SJ(@?G? ??? `"I/?????1:?>3????t70e?x?_?A??e-???? ?E)??a???d?]???c?e?R+??M%?_?uK$?rn????T? ?? ?`?g?5M?.???I0?4????@??????)? 5M^ 4X??N?`???^??\?? ?c?e?W???9?Nv*g?@7%<D#m?mVI???6?????(??????WMt),???c?N= ?????R$4 1???s??S?#-u??O?eZ??i?>$???? ??p??NDR?kN :]???J? ????D?42{??99???}??????$R?,???gmj?t???NT,?Nt?? ???>?>c?Xp????&?"??a?_Y| r??%7d?????2??????{D??????3iL*B????????PB?|J8??9 ?F$Mu??????PJF??/x=??b??0}??N0?zdJ?????4???^&?7???a ??5%e8???%d???|!???cA??*V??f????@?O*i???????8Q:{?1?' ?*D%?z????????????p?H??|?)?o????$O?tw????????E?e???T???>?????%??Qwg?>?7'?5d???!A???':???????u?&????)????~?Lx`xl?d?Lh?#{?Q???N'D???< ???????&+?b?TM???a?u??????gc??@?WHhPv?S/0y ???h??aBC???? S???i??B?j???o ?d?e???? ?)UuDg?^?WFl??p??&*???`@??nf????G9???J :=F`T?Y"M4'???#????[?1[???i?t?O-?Z??mc??'?4??O?G?Dh????lT\??\??VzI??? ?nq??)'????`???pV???M?:??R%-????D78?8?6?|?E ?B&?W???????????/? r????? P??????2%??E?C ?qkB????.t)B?`&'?8?~D??q??g???M??n??????oZ???iP?v`? O?$?K@??K??#????4?'$?N?z???*9 #??? e?F??&?|?w?7?`1??-?c65ct??i ?+????$???oj??As????????z??? @P?????S ??*C 2?z?d?:k>uD2u\`(?P?-I?4?H???%? ???e>??HF?81?v'????'j?y?~?Y???3zc?,??|???o?? v?JB ??*d?E??)??#r?/?e:9?Jm?Kh?R{?ol9"??????O?RiD????????2R22?r?_??N?? ??I???&6?V(qt?H????EC 3?\????muE??72?7J|?$_(??A?E??d????:p????f???;?AYa??? !/???4C???T?^?C-*P?Y?n?)?h??vIEk??C? ? ?????2???'?\?XT?????Ru3o?U8 /?R?C??R?q??)? ?Al]?:??\?]g???? `;???34;? \?h???W=d?+ ??RJ?p?:d?vAT`??Tc]^7$?kpAD$??!_@??_:?%.G??K?SP?.1K???2M??ZD??? ????_?@??` E]Ox9??C]?Et??)?0?Ebr?h??8?(/W'Fj?%,???j?: ?B%Hm? ?= ? ?}~*u?{\q?j????? ????0??F??H+L]?zR??y?J(?JXX?{???%??S?????# ???????v?w?A$A y?&??\^??????nV???% I??`??? ?/??????q?t??Fq ?c??? Km5!J.?;??)?b?????5B? ? ??C|D\??s??ry??D???F?%?$????x??Ha?2[? =??\K;????X??;? wlm ??J?? ??w0????6xLb??????",??;`{?t1?k?&???$???????n?k??o???S??Or1LX?P????[?V????Qk?F7?,?!?AD?.?????0?L?d???3????"?????u?5I??p??$?x????? ?!????????????&c ?i?? '#^d?????? ?????A? %n\,d}?A?Dc???%*a??+? ????[);BW?Y??d?+Q?+6????,qOx)??D?4??????yxK??`P??B?3???c.s?????Q?o+/'?????w \=S??B??NE?,???(???c\??a????????[??,??Dt?\Zi?jj|#?a?(???!?;?? (???a?WW~I? ?F?E?b?&t&c?|?????+??JE8m?? mq???p:?HB+?*'?Q9? TQFI???S ???5 ????`i:C?Qj?j??FE???? 0`?2?5????*ik??I??j?)+?dg???Fy`Mb?`??&=o??89q?(?:I??? ?0????; ?|????>_?????w????F wak=????;?`x?j??*? D*q(t Fu?? ?J?? 3????3/?j w??P????lc3I?e????C??d??f???JLu?P-?$A%?~f???6p9 ???7%EJ)[X????? vL???n=:????????????_?w???????o?????+??n?????????m?|?k>?U???W0??)O?97????????????K??????W?>?????<0?f?C\???F[??G????.w?}?????si??SN?9????S?M??_?LM~{???y_w?w????8?:?]>w??'g?M\???4?z????g\S?????|v??????#0?????m???_?E3O??Q?]r [?B^|??w[7?? ????S????J??????c??tU?'{?}????????Y6??3???w {??K?????]??????.??~??)g ???|n??R??C???????O\?v? ]?? ??qE???f<9d????< ??r??O6?qs?#???j;6?A+m??~??l?x}k??9{v??Z??????????^s????q}?? o??W????;????Kn?]?i??C??\/|r????????????T??y?j?? ^kl??????_?????lq??????^?W???8?{?%%GZw?>anUN???????y??W????7?????Y?<#?v???_o uo>?????_?m???????o}???%?8?-?c?????cvj~k???[z?yx?????;c?????o?s0g????ML??i?#[? ??r??>_??????f0?????~?2a???G?????M??;o?y?????o:gz?? y{n???m?&n}????6?yE??{?????e????i????_?r????G>~?#?fT?G? ?b???W???????n?z??U????6?{???#??n??)O?X??????\q??^?}wZ??r???=??ql????:!???????{?_??~t????m??????vv?^??C[???(????7????g??w???_qw???]????+n_#?????K??^t`??}3??????{?????????|d+Y=?^:?{vk?;F?|f??Q?{??w?OZ???gm??6?x?[??? F?_????>??g}?_??_5?[e?o?MM}??CY[??????^?}???kA??YG??????^??:o??C?S??4?????Vx|?n9 ???}??9????K?/H?Y???H????~y???sfgZ????[Fn\?o??5O??kd?uQp????]????o?????I??????????????|??/&?>??x?#g?:?iR??g????});???e???];??>(G-YU???????~??5?x??????????o??h?????P????#?????o????M??????ZJ????8e?jn^7j??9???M?f?]?;~?}???Goz????6??~97e?/]??y?-?7[??.?)p?????p???\ ?????{?3s*}???????2???[??4???N??}???K????y?]??C)?*=????S?_??F??????|?GG?????[????????????_??u??G???j???/?K???/????^6????%?~z`?eR{\y?}???????[?>x>}W???????S*?_?r??? ?u[?????'??Y???;GdN??????>znP??g?X9_)??v????????!????t??{?K??+?-?????????Nx^??eA?S='????e?m?^?}???e??"&j??????s??]k?\u~??7???????&???{-?:???????i ??xn????Y??~e?]?|5?????o????n????3}??1??v??5?y?k`?>?w?t?rzS????Z????+~9??i?f?p?S??X?wh???~5~?u;nj?|?=?u{????s~??c???=7???D?}8??Ee????????^J??>??????/????E?|???9???X????/e???.??__???+?/????????}6h????????????S"??u??9Q??n?5?CH2M355??9:??d?\#?D?r???????????D*?C??_???=?t?????}v??~4?~????y????A?n???2R??1??????V???+C?Y????7d?l?i??Y[?g?k?t????? ?$?&6=?=Z? P?v;? ??w>??B??db\>c??????SS ?3?v- ??'6?A???uup ?2?X??q?S?? ????[I.???Z;???c????7/Q?l7R$???=d?A???Ac+l4???qC# xq ??aK7eh6???,GJ\????ed???LL7?<????????Y?v?????y??-?? AU?mg8????r??????aw?)??)????? ??????c?????sv?D?????q?q??a?:????~???~%b????S?v?W?l?B?CKMz???? 6c!f???????d??? j?%?????j??:N????C???cT?W????l??I3???{q???0J/?8VU???????3q???]?i?/?.??4/0?}?G(x???zC=?c?????;t???T]#nz?a4?2??r????????n8?to????????S_?*?????^??????bQ???H24??????I ?????? [.???kB ? ?????3??K??>|3?~*q?? ?v?:m?M @???Mv?b?M???????;ub?fS9Y?q??b?r?z????U|?p&f?`\?T??q?O??1??:? ?? ???o??h?R???????\d?}???VR?#+3H?V?|???ucp????-??????J???87z???????|????5?+?AjxUV6xegC???zu?s?\??] ?? ?&?!?!?Iv???????p?|???H?evc??V?\Hm??)???a?V?1?????1,??I???x>3J?????uW??H?i$^t?>n?n? ??C+-C)??S^@??8*?g????"??@1?qRx?a??f? ?S???#@????z?2tr??1??????mk?Tx??????? ???h^$???DqNr_?"7???<:e?? ?m???6??{?l??gF?%?;?T???t?F? cj??S???}>p?lLe?|?????pe+??=m??c3?(E??Z??)?3???l>?@?9?!??0?!???Bv??F??u=Jv? ????o????=8Nu????`\eHE??????? G??C~????VR????-C?'?KF)l?U??O&????{+?Vf\??e6?i????7K????>?6??W?:!!?2$???=L???_u?j????pRLF,????>??nd????5H?????????!??p??????????????L,+/?(?.??????|y?:?j???[p?7?????%H ?b??'??Mn~??v??U %?z?@?'?~x?c?w??????}???f???Z???uquL??? ?9C??\?a?? =16" ?b|?u?????s%???k???*???,??z??zan?M3?!??|???+c?;5?L>w&??N?Q??/??~?0V>???,uB?????H???b_???7???Y??aXH?s'??I?~?o/S U?~?6?!|(???????e_=?????u??q??5??Gf?? c*??????????g=??????d?wtb>?~T?????E??Q??F?????ge?j???(??W4?m????O*??Y???2l?*?3???? ?r?1??&??rS&W???r??3??3?d?$%Y?????"Y??;??????6????B??g???!?? ???w???????I?????xc??I@???????)6??G=VG?[U^? ???????@AhL?wY8??c?????=?)?$?w?r????Q8????p?^? ????????v???zy0??d1?XVG?5??V?`?????k??f???aQ8???C???^????{?Iz???????7&W????v???Q ???i? q???v??Y?.B??-??f~\?y?4?>Og>?(?p~? ?cf??eI???)gHi? ????q ???2$?v??>e?????AY!ypve`z??r??O?*?Ie?r?03?[?????L+2?o?? z? G[??KR2k?O???;??`?~\??u?j?,??*^)H '?pC????????~??X'?; m??T??c;??T?????)=????]? ??'ko?????'?c??_?X?2??$?2dc?+/v d??Q$k??SJA?6??S??5?`?????.?RK\?+C ?Tf?UfI?_;7????? !??]? |c/64=]??;?l?L?I ??e??7?????@2+\:?r???A???G43m-?e?-'Y????zq?UL?b???|~-#?.?q?_Gk?o??KgW?_J?^??.a??~??? ? 7K???:O? ?e???rS ?o??\j{K??????s?z???c?bp???A?i???W????>??nO?9k????9/??????~B?o???E{?????r???'???GK?B?'J??]??]91??zc?????R)?cr????f?jO??? N3gJN?Gn???ez??h ??{C?%??[9}???? w??R???}c?????d????2?v{??s???????w\???????_E?i)?j????????????U?z??????f?????1)?83D???Z?????w8?*?xm?????????A{??#?????$??d??AN???B?/?u^X??P?a??????k ??@GY????? UE??p|?k?q?R?f??,?o???\?U[z??????r?Wd??c????Y'S????7J?cL&??B:P?? ????A?&W?e???X?? ?c??,??f??Rw:,8????B5M?,Nu???????W%O??v^????ed?3???7C??????\xy?Mi?????????{?h????C?%*t??? ?)S;????E???V???V?k?Y?df??Pj??u??!?? ??>???O????-??????oZc?hf????p?????L?`?+???Kn????K) P????????>h??8c?N??5M?hf[S~a?B??????2 ????r?kd??L?????d.?Z!?f??????;????>Y??m>{????_??46n??J?=????Z+1C???t?Y???????????o?o?V?? o?l???'2mH+i$??)O?o?N:?4d??>?Ww\??I???7p2/Y6???W???????????cC?"\??"???2?S??h;?_?U???o{?????M??l?v:?F??R???[?????????j?? K????'#6.??D7???b?k??Y9qd#????#VM\?\v?/?????k????=??5B??Xq6TFG?????I2&?`q?????????A73???f????p??? ?"?B??????0hN??????????+??>?nyP?n???-?4????4?????r?ia???n?,n??.9q??bx>Pv??3f????????C*" m??y-??J}?jcH???k??40?5_?i?,X??k?????3+?HS[???N????????b??kM?W^?I??5????c??????r???s&!2J?H???|?z?I?u?.5K?????S?\??&????&???3/,YW?? ?=??h?|l??u?O?,??p(?u?|??Ik^?-?>!??0????Kj@^???zm?&J?;??i?? ??e[?i??Ms)?\|????6O3 }$vI??m5 ??|TY? ??V??v??~?8HiN??O?a??U;??[??BPf?????~1??x-???A?ge??f??H?$??#4o?eL ??=????rb??5?*?X???]?&??3???????Vu???I?Ws?H?k ?????8Z}s???j????Q??N?? ?2??i????4?tJ?????*???C2t?4?&Ay??k2??????"? w???|z? ????+?Z????Uq?????'?8???? !P???> ?????x????P&x?!M?^R?q?.#-D?`?????)?n??,9R/????W?g?????f>?2y?oQ4:+ ?????Z?e?]V??^?F????t?Z?u|???????p~{???5k?p???????L?7??&F.?LS7? ??4?]e?l,????g<4?3?fHr?Y}]k???1?[????:?Z???????k?7???F???5%??????????3>???S??;? ??p`od ?1?e4?Dz???????? i? w7f?(? Bv??4 [???+ 1k8?5|????9t?{?!?!?]|???_????fyxk??k1QN|?2?P??lG??O?M????_?????xv???l?0??@2?M?????Tr??k?L?,??)E/????msdn?t?????C?_??O?w8T??????I??b?X?????'??????8?????????B&??99??????3?;???????c????z?.?3=?5??C?@??#A?!???????,;??K?????6l??X6$*[?q??r{??,~?~???????=cz)g?[????8?\???k?.?! ?5? ?H??? ?2o?9???AyC?^szN???6??e???2? yw??? ???ct?As????M??U???g??I????-???1?3???U^i?oh0P?? a0V??jP??:?2?|5?a????z??{?????B???m???;???0p??D?S ?/??6?oKVj?|????????a|??]?+?kFwX ???9? ???mp?-????8X????_[???*S?????/YV9:mj????&?:gg???y?????B??w???'?????x;???f?T}??|6 dX??????+_^=????]=a?]`??5?u?&???????^????N?*[?t???????Mm;????<g???0??8??????[s?4???i?-n??::????rW?7|>n????`HH???? @P?a??#??'%py?????7??YK????5?????$??x?h8t????G? ??W??????v?????I@?#??i?SX???G??,?v-??a3?h`??nC??>?9,?|2i???QOf/?? L? ?g?????d$.?3&]mj4?TaSjUvl??7???4???????lP??q???4;?*???XW-??? @{3??q???x?w+.?X?V??????q??}??A???r?uJs?????4???X?R?hCo.w?/??)????8hHZ0?jx????] T??A`?G+?.?9?.V??????Z??I????7]?7?U??????????????E??????????$V8v%???????'?W5Rc??3??w??tb???;O?4P???Q??E?W?4?u???b??U?g?5W??QVg/m_ ?=??Ha?a[????Fl???[Q?V?~?????dn?@???????? ?AOfT7)?/?}Mb??????K???l?@????sy?[?=y?C??Z??? ?8d???^C???7?????5?????~? }?`???R?;Z?gVO?]W??C??\) ?[r?9??\???+D??sAW*?q????S?o? ?^?[g??K??nuZ?????{???w?????^???z???? U*S??.?.|???:??x???E??U?mr?U?\??j????(k^,?+*-???#?-??? ??V?4m7:M)?#?5?x?l???d?????#?????????x {????z??? ?{?b?X[??}%?VjN?$???1 ?p???C??:?O???f?_??t?b?U?????L?;??4?4?????v`4g8RNU????_??6x?V!>iv?5?e]????,??$?4???>^????????????ym??g???g?&??e?A???w??&x?KRP?C(h=Jh??87D[???>?EJ??8f??kc?7m?\F?y?X?1??|?Uh????%?(??#?????(?????Y1?????T9$??rK? ????]?y?????/G?)M???Z?r???FI?????????%???Usd????Yz?w? 7?&???????A-??????M????b???d???H????????^??u??GAw????????O??^??: N???6r??Q?f????r??$5??~e???p????W>Ov&???g???:?????t` ?O?x+mMW?w?2?j?N?????y???>T??A????OZn~U??ZH{??????G:=?=?8R?[!}#????p8?P??????%?)R?&<32??? ?vs??L]??/???J?F?hZ?R??4??X#'?xNNu;??P?2?8?9?[??K8?x?????D????IQ??xNSH????? ??'M?%?????!9??PLn??)??u??=AM@?D??C1s4o????@T,Iy?????l?f??????????:?v???????$??????4?^????!?#?g??s?gi???/*?\T???6??b? ?op?x:??o??????ph??:??Zcr?jh ???i??????7???????R|E????rvI??v??GB?-w??R???????????M?ie?_u??a??Wi???&i?*?????y?+??W^b??|?`(?+~?*????b??U?>( ?B?zlASk-[>?{a????|C'????,{F?#??x1???e???}?g???q]?t?`s???8???bF?f6?W?????h?R???? ?/??6S?T+??p??//???+??&?7?????2r??z????#?F?????i$?Q?;uq]??l????K?k?G\}P?;?ec??~????c?f???R0%?l?3 ?????9??0?/%?M~Y??o>???"????; ???????V!??"`????W????B ??| ????Y??/?^???Y??????[s??Gr #??Zx[ ???|???r?3 [?D??s?+?N????*?FSJ??K??????? 6L???8{??&?M???wj???O?Q?????(a??\??hC??Zu?gWv???? ???}???? v?/??=?#???~,!???1??Z?:????QK??YBJi?xI??)??? ??r??w?.?0??P?4??????5?bd?#? >???????A?] U??"????? If/???S?????k?Rd???~;???F????@? 2'\0{????? ?a????y??sk??????f??9?&???B???z~ ??Cb?Y?n?8???K??K??????/Q???}?8.???37G???5?rAb??Y??b"??5?c????~J&??Q?EJ???hXL? I'???????;Z?F?\???[???? X&?VhZ?n6???????d???r s??#?"?)???7w??M\?E??2u[B NP??n?? ?????!?;(???2?I??????w)o??^??J]??c??z???R????>u???{p??????,?.?????h????i?b???pk?r??;_r?>?^??G????7-?= ?? ?e???/?kg?????-=???????????$}#??3zL??I ~?%?9??|??)'/3?R???p?'tH???M???V?(F????8????O??,7??(???B???;r,M?:?O????? ??x??4??ve??9!c????????c???y??x??.?>??e???d=??H???v?k??y?X!?OO?h*?~d?~Q???y6U??=?3K?:???i??k?+:Z????????P??dDN{%??c=U??A?X???????????g5#???O?>^?Q?+0a-???eP??tmO??9>k?L??Q`??????x????P??HQ??Q?/??8????????E395?S )?%??\-#???2?xy?????f?z????(X?E????????xw?m7y?8???P??????M??? q3I??>C,n?,? ?d??W????=qL????????d_G??)?t?&?}W4?[`d ?x?rx? 1s?l???j47??*!?%s????mx?r??3?g.????T??7S???f?}?2??P????l |?GC?4??`???%?%?????x?n??? ?UA]N{?[D????N???~????VW???Z?%u?????k[??????7+?h??I??L????Np?yr?????????G??'?????w ??9mA?P??E?(?}"??????W????\y?a??7?f?? ?U????U?S????+??TO&?$?Fr???8S/???zq1@??T?w?9????x?q:a?_?? z9???K???5???W?????V?{t}]?x?? ??;R?????????q??,????????O}????C?@?|????????YT??????????&!?{?]\ ? ????????{????!??tq???1??9<8??S???e??+g??k????lX??s?J~~??????T?>?$???+????}???A?8AG?? ??R?o3???=)>X*?s*?]f??x???|(?5tP?>W?M:?91??}?o??????9dJ???_?_L?&"T6&R??:H?%???/!R F????yf4??LJ?Lw???!3???F=\?0???im? ??=;??O?d?}M??!X?y4?k????????O??]r?]K?O??vp?5??%6j?? ?\?????5+c??3???+??6?)u?f????p????5AG??so?_F{?????M|????uK ?N??[:b?~?? ? Nh??E?yb???C?8?_?]?ddy1?????2???????P???Nn?????????0?R2???;k?H??3 ???UN??]V ??B)^?q?7| ??^?\??uW?ke?JV?jJ??????'?S? $?)@?=?!q??wf?N?7??z?/_????>?&aTEY??K???A??ZG???:?? ?Art?Od????q????k?X?????rm??_'  vt ??sY ???j??v??2C??`??"????W/;\b?U3?~?bv? :8? C?S??Ip ?J??s??I???Y?????+?.?2??P?-I?R???L?#?-XX???K? ?`wPZn?! ?--?U????`FB?u?x/A~????|X?o??????????VX?z????R`????)???`j?????&???l?!???.??iFU?3i ??????IfT?\{??! ??l??Aw?JO????'qTVn?.?$?HEp??X??vHtgi?G?uX?y??g?????)W???e?;????B??~O"?=?%ZGw???O?V?{h q]???X????? t'?HnYT?}?,n??-??%W??T??VN?W"O?????9j??*????5?<=K/?#?j??????Y&???!????)??y?RY???~rj???f????4jx??i???w?>????XM?I?q(?? z\G"??????j-?4?H?A??H%'??E????b?m?|??H???M|' #???9?\1???Yl??h?S?j???U'l?OI??$^??????F ?{A?`e?Zq?l18~4 ????S?Zy?ni;??4? 00?0?H??@?Bv??3 ?? ??fgcdL??wOs???Rwo $?+"?E??.????0???)G]??????U???[???9?F??Y[xN??D??Qd??????d?$y!?b?6??k??v1??b?I? B@ ?d?hi?e\;&?I????" O`07??4?~??6Zalc????????v???%W??cL?=??@??a?D? ?0??m???'???5??k??5?"??/??????|;D??_???u?OSX!??????U?%?4#?n?????????~?{n???????! S4Y?>???wxr?[D?o?? ??Y?J?y?>?@?|????T {??Q:n=?W?c c\?2xO -.i?j??E????????9????c?c?6FT? *'???Z?&?2VP??Rn?9??C?r???j????<-&'?$]?z???/W?';??|\?????)W?.???????*?Nz??????l9?'@?4?I?Z.u??4??Z1?????=O???)??2??j00 /?????I?CV?Px[?l}?????3k???h?????2?3?~???^??????J?H?\?5??=?f?k??2??????f??i6????2????????z??M?D r????:????"?#??Z?a??????'?1?_?>?????;?8v??S???K\w>??V;S?>????H??? ????y[?`??7???9?0??v7?1?d`2?Yu&??'?Im??]OM??*k???A?Lk8I????????,?R at q&?????=??i@??Kk6??\?]\?fu??????C?{?????5{8?/C??q{??k ??????U????y'?:?(;?U?6???!)?????????)?p???=?{w?????t??n?????m???:?????1z????o{????|;? T??:?,?~?~#?'????_[Wp?1?7l??]??;l?;|?x?????y???7???7z ??U????F?mg?Y?.? j ,?>?@?Z????P;???5`?gGefmJ,?3 ??m?-#R 7E?? QS????8?~$t?LBN|??XB?{?)???4?uZ???B?]A???kG??uIR?X???f???????N?t??!'6???0?y93?:?1????}ZNJ\?:?PJ?'?Oc?O)&?]??Sb???Xv????u{$??????4??eEY??J???R]???f??K?%`w?h???zH?? ???>??7xDl???? d?y??8?ysu ??4U?????L?>? P;?)U?????????????BiOZ??3??Vx[??ift??????A???c???1iN?Z???=??5???e??L?????b%?? ????7??g?k?R??^??????n?H??? ???9?&S?tUG??x?;?b?C?NA)&? ????V????pT:T????2???@, ???%P?$*  $??F???7 ?'? ???P????v?4?aHD&? #e5??P?C"???w? ??L1@?n "????R`6????d?/???? Srx???lp?????d2 ?Y??L?c?`????Ng??w?%p???eQ??.q|????7?$&??W  ????~Q???? ?{~d7???&j/tQ?????????)?T&??g ???d^?Gc?X&\ ?"]??????7D??_?k??]?6m?N???=???\^????[b?gI??o???z??\f7? ?_?P?A?`A_I????????/j?@N??ga? S|?a;?;?z8x ?@ ?????m?`????Pw? o?z^5???????"????|??????pq???l??[?>??=/n??U?/?r?_?<???????? ?E 2\? ??????:??t?z???????sf?s4??dA?W?"?s?????x* ?v??????????k2.?sQl* ???h???Tl???`cpFoVP/?v? ? ?n `(&S5D??P?[?R?SK?,???"S AX ?Tiug?]?!!??M??xUg8? ??E2???????z??????P7?*]?T?????P????mSBr??"?bH,2? &??4E????~??/????}?c?????????? ????J??I?_???i??????pZz????+????????~?y <o?????Xe??????T?x?>4*(0??????~~H??*4l????H'$ k?????nk_a1_??N????ldj?S?b?????~TM??z&?R ??/:????????nd?*(??????c???P?$*??????o&??&??4k?j???N?D?????I?(g?;???fXd????,x? 8??4?b "??"?rCw??>?x?N?4????"????& ?? s a?`>???c S?5Q?O?>?N???;???ne{??}?"???k?2_??h??? ?????B???6)?????m!?????O?8?L&?JBC?L??3??4 )?{? &{????? x^?"HGV'?8?ct^s??4?? D?bW??1?'?? ??????@?G?1B?H?|???#?????#??=?????!??0??-???}??? ?G ?CY% ?,?)???]t_?7?x<?3S?%IB.?Jb??t?<pB? ?S??b?)?u??SM?? ?E??O?ENI???6G??D?/?g0a?$wU$>]?f??:?????X?J9*??8 "??`?????5????l@?d???\?* ?????C?E???e!?=??C7]??p,???1/B?2r??C?#`? ?<???s??a?????~?H?^?????KA_v???u????5?u?????4hfA?)`?????s_??\??h,.?#Rh? ?,l !??????S)H=lN???X ???j??N7?3 ?E&1`^R"?(?a?,5?"?L?P??,?(????La?s???a at ep??exX??H?#^ua?RgF5??????????????f???B?? ?i?;???????I0h?*l?S?`?]Z ????4?[2G8?HA9,??v???R?TZ??A??????-2??&? ?? ?????R?6??:I?21$???xr???E?7?? `OO:0?????Z?'R??U?????i)D?D???? 6E?!????r*?? ??N??3???Xe~?.5?`?+??ll??B!??u ??7$???;??Ev?m????U?P~Alw]U??"?w?J?p{]?? ????o???I?Y?O??F~?>'????*?3?!13(??)??K?"i?]se?k??[??xy??+??n/???????{?~???8???/2???#i?(/c???:z?z??i?kj????7>?d????? H9!??`?o8????_???,????????????????y?%??F?????~??R]?????q/*????/??h?]???h?]?U?<?H?6???Kg?,?%??Es4E????v?. ? p#X??;?????????/???B?_?????????????0???PX???;G?q !??N?x?~s?{?T?2=XDw4??]??|???B?bw ???????o????!r9 ???*?!?6a???O??"?_K????????????E?B?? ???` ?WA ?? }?tM????AuG????"j?R????*??FN????c}_'?p???~?Ta???? ?????AE?1?N l.??? _?b?BX?7??LC?? ?P ?? V#r??M }m?n?4????????????????? .??Mw?@8?#?S,6?? U ??????H??E??D4x?????9r?B??????????%85???~?.???Z???@`r"(????'????OU???3??V????'??_mM|e??????;??C?? ?W?'7??%qag????B??} m??z??L???????????\?Gh?< ???~?? ?? ?{q??D?7?o??-??D???????^kc???????w?x?]b9{???W???7??+???????~O?? *? :??{X5???5?)???q?? ?M@?A??z *?B??HL?'??????y?z.?-K?P7"?J?n?na=g??+? [Q{?A? Q??(4jK??????V? ??2???'??? 2??@;?Bw ^DJ? ???????u??n?(CB?$???x?Z 7J'?u??? Y? .?????-h??y????M??V4?a?ht! a?bQ %????E?Q ? K?f???????`???7?&?e????: 5?[????\??S??Z?_$????????C??o????o?????5???????|?9??>?6o???WT???????':^T???d????H?(??2???F????T?!??w??^ h?*=[:w?1 6?Hik?5???uC+??FKt?-?????^i ??B???2?Lbw?by?E?_?\:?{??C`??*??sL????X hH ?l???? #????????n?k??& ?a?$"?P@??c???h??I?h??????wlh?P???????*?MD?????;??????*?>h@?I?n?. t?E? 6???*,????????2R?????? K/?u?7????@##?I*?X?lUQ|??????N????jY?V????i?`???X?????N`?t!???;TOr?? 4?s?B=c ???w?jgY?>????#????????A?"??? *?#?M??v??{?D.<0.?????4?Nb09?`??Fd???fw"k"???LN??1???n=?t?????l???<???!?W?????C??)????z?PD??P?l????P???NS(?]??1Xh??H3C85??P*c`>$??z????8SD? ?(?t??~?'?(H?????vX?4??=?H??(?]?+~C????1Y??'?pH??$V? ?MO????? {??@???'?e ?H?)fV?x??"????l??f/? ?oveu}????D?@? 6??E?????? ???w?_?O??k???z?O? -d ?? H???t??????!{??:?bT??hKR??Of?,??lg?=??e?Jg4$p???t??l???? -}:[Tb?@q???!???)?X? ??zL??$??M??St??>????i?(???X??? ??? w?c ?@X&*? i????=)??h ,????? ?V?BP?S?\p?4??????mv ?J?Q ?Bq0tY0WX??`o?G??b}R??? ,G?hT2????????h??@?_{??$??aTD?Jue,c??V????>>i)A???>??t=??I???,u6Vj???%x??????l??s??8??k$?7???h?????????Y?Uo?}???????g?????????G?i?v?????????????????#? *q??? 2?<kv?GB?Z???#????y?__??^}?P???k@???????X3H?????r?$????>???~q ????l? ????~/K???E?{#?BW4??< M??Qb???=?o?& ?%$:6?????x?~???K??h??V????,???&u???}t?:0????t?;???!?cc?"?g??'E{D? ? a??2x????q??YE?????E s?1|?o?=S??wD??YG'?'?\??p-:z.?????`??@??6??*?B??^??O?}?R?D$?JC?: Nm??x????(P? ??P? ??Cv????5?-?5?Q?1???* ?;?????D??F?? ?hK?????q??B?????`^|?? !ts?#1?TL???4fQ .?:??Na?????=?G?P??:?y?????a?W?q:??{??5?"Z?@??H??m?1k??9,?vp@$??+?Bpw! ?,???z??>?~PQ? ?-|?N????V!?/???o{{??_8?>o{a-?@?3???1??E??l?(03D ^ ?????R??w??P?h?0??/??&??Rh?AR:?? 1??q`?'?F?7?U??Y`?x?m?t??z??>|?h-?m?5?Fv?ae2??Nxa@??0)f??zr?????? @<0T????A?nI ? ?fD&??"%>???????????????Mm`I3xLX|1?p? J??s???M?`% b!?9?bG&??KYR =&?g",???T@n??7?81g?T??* ?????~C?Dr?????p??u??cr?9 6?H?,??hJ???sf?_?9-/???"????????{`?m&X?/?4*??l}[nw??=0u ???? EP?Hfb??,STB????4?I??m??????}?????p!??W???????C?O??h??j1??3?.????q?|> ?f?}??Ws?v?_3?+??[V?oY??e$^LQ?Eb?&?7???o??J??????s ???1 )Jq???-y???,??.?K+8???n????m^????W????????????v9/??,p:?2?3??????? s???E>!.s]????? 6?_]???M??*xoC8F?,??? ??iv?hu??S??a????)???? ??kj??????????????+??">O??C??/LN?)??+??4??I2?P|7c?=?$?_? \???????fL???n????k??U?W?h??1?@?;????2z??X???Y???8?????BB??8????l^WZa???6????v????4?dJ???%?m??(R?v??,{?`??xbU!??|????????????b?O?6e????M??????Vj????????0D??>???????C+?s??W??">O???!??4?????????_??i? ?J??FO"?ci?G??x?,E???*?pk????????q?zBm&???g?gP??f??f??8???W???????1??@$;N?x0?q??r>92?|T???D>p???t=??D???J/l???/T??^ ?,??@??j?qz?)???4eu>i?D?OOM6???ix(????5$?7Bys???{??O?.?#t??i2??Hm5Y?S o? [u???=??w?/5???????d??M8?? ??g ??? \.?????????F?i?d'a-{u???3?H?:??\????C>?/?;:7N????G??UX ?L "8??????0[??[????iH?':>9???? &+%]M??2f"???~k???p????!?C0?2^e6[N_??r?m8?l?{?O@???!N????B?c}? ??Bd?:??????E??_7z?i??O???????D?:2??>)7?f?? ??i?? &!??A??Ex???S?1??]?z? *?zC??J?"????1g?m???W???5?~!??n T?8\i????6????????????????Kp?O??,???M%????p?@?zd:???=Q/???a??=E???? 5?c??O?n?T+?yqAi??'U*?!o??5F??? ???e? ?D??~|1??,?:Me< ?O??-?r????]???Z'?x%??8???????YPw??*?@?3??? K???'???7????????"?o?A{VNw?t8??T?x?8?I???n#?VV"??6? ??$??xSr?]??2?Y???????vQ???c|V???Z?F?`3?]?  ?J1+O?D???z???0$z\?%J??~\? }??J?A51A?>b9m? ?Rl?7?"I??1?6=??H??l3????? ?????@|:&u6?f3?^?s ??T2X?.?v{??{~? x K}?mi?{|???j6??;???t?JF?46???????Z)??? Yr??&?"??1{?????` ??k?=L??? ?-E??Rf+7H"?O?????Sd?-E??*?????_????????n???s????????- ????m?ll???y???=B,x?t|?<`??i=?{??q ????O^?R kH??{??? -?0Q??o??? ???a?`& ?$??JxA?$p??z??a?A ??U?rA?r??2??'???? ??QPR??6#??B????f???BD"4?~??h?.P???$) ?????? ?[????t?Sc{?? ?j?????h9?Z?pd?|?c0???????????I???`\ ??l`K?0Q{?@??s??w???>?sV"|???<+??J?/??`?{z???2??&?(??k?/=??`?}?Z???z?????9_-?n???i?S4x??Z*?W)?2?J????Z?C???=? {?`ho??|W???{??u`o?a8}?TM] M????4?q?PP?&e?@?iO? [???TS?N U 7?I?????N?n~N3?_??V6?2?A??0?A? ??my*z ?A??z???~?+D???u?X???C?????)D?;??6?\??I?]ZP]{Ww????"}?$N?-??8p?Rg2f?eDx,???h???T??????x?????C??K????L?&?};1n~j?+!d_j:e???k??#??#)?7?<},?+??j9zV,??[??9??f??N?K6bP??????????N???OQ?A?1R?F_j2a)???VG?*???+??? ???K?G?Z+P5????s???F?C uP??0????}???o?0???g???=?J\H8??-6????q???-???kUKiv?9????Z?$??b???????Of??m ? ??y'????????2????VV!???>s? R????>6??*"u?3>????{[??eJ3w {?{{;{??%^??~??????u??)???I_??mC8??s%_1e??&"['?T?ZB? j?????????F?=?y????}}ca???w?K?j?s??i???c???0 ~ ?~?x?B?r???d/F?72S??r.m??>G??FD4Dk??U?1a~P@?Q5B4L?O??? ??')*??Y ?????\???#?/?m ??? ?a??? ?v?E???W H?"R???9z? ??????V?}EdDE??? ??Q?????M??A?.?>?:???+<[56 ?O,s:???) A????F?x???R? :??b82?\g?g??Z??4? ??>??oa!9?9)????????????E?.????????v????yag?? ???&?; ?W?? G??u ??F?%?F??I?]e?'?>qMq_%/L?`?u???b?=?y?cz?p4_??u8z?? JV????M??2 ??*-?E??>S???????? i???a??N8 ?y???5:?~4??? ??y ?I????}SY??k?JZ?zY? ?c'x???"-?????55??]?SS?t??.???E??}???????8?? M=F????V?h@?N6C1 iDP????t.a?????=???9U?uh????r?? ?>????? ???~???>???-Y??G????,g.?3????;??(:s^???V{??GCb??N?%??K?{??????i?????.7?;R??????=B=Ta??H$e????>??G?$|~{W9?xyj?6??????)Wp6??:'?m???a????M?s?????????????U|?=hO??h??0C#?????&+??1? ? ?? C??i.??D?2?W???nv???X~X6??d??.??S??4??Y?ae ts????1%Pv?R?P????G???S??]H???Q?????u????{{{??Y??????O???3G??2?????FW?p???(???&??NK< Sj????????,????R????K??) ??w?#!?K????????Vb??~D??l?????<+???pK??S?]??Z??)????kJa$sSJY!??oc???J??1?????B 'oh???R 3 Fqb5???B9????k??d??\~???F,? ?|????%?????1????+??@???W?^?5"*r6?Uv?0?y{E?#??????)????K??L0?/@$:? VV?9?6???nC}????}-? ?????C?-??Nh?z]??~?'!G l?P????????O?>????BJb???Y}X?1??c??P???B[>????j?? ~???? Z?:>y<3b?"f8!4 ?????nY??1\e???AQ3???/8?t{2??@?^_c???Jg???)???#??S?N(g2???^|_a|;?%M?K??R?k?rh?p???????????XH ?Um?8??#??0?/??????e?A?X?_???qGc???(N?M??1W'???M_??J??1?x@)vY._Y ???-????W)B?%??dYx@'#?5?h?p????*??3d"??r?e?X??19???g?qG?TH???1?q???m??yo;T[???T0????-}??d??c???y?*0???a?I?t ??7??h?h?-??~I??????????????H??ni%??n???????N? ??F???????G????P?A ??1Z?#??a??$????\?0c ????b:N!?(?6??,?t??A?i?N????fm?'yj???W??a?}:?{&%?4Y???0??$ L$???D????WF3??W?X#Z ????o?????%?V???4???}?Q<;???Uu,YZ?P?/????l?a4j? ???IY?W???>n?x2R??????? ?$???< ?:?C???oY0?JC?wb%?????bo??1"???M x?n?s??%????1??????8??-??????k??DK?$H ?N??I????=?Q(H????c?_?+R??????h??n???????` ?D???????ob?2X??-?????#?????????%??s?MET?2^???|xL4??$????6???H?????????,????*?g!?'??y?Vi?\????T?????y????;V2?.????;V?uO??Xy??? ?1?? ??U FN?tJ~???K??pf????3\.-=???5@??? `?6??l0?? \0y???? ?8??b?Y:uj?3#RV??;??????t?X?v~d?s?/? 7???R??)??0I?6}???[?{[?????;+?o!?'??v??$?[?/????????n? 0` ?2????F0??o??J?O'?u?!.N?;$h^?W?by-?L ?j6N?? ?????Px?s??AxKW?]?vWr???Q??X_$????R?ZfU???6?T}{?V?R???Im?????x?D ???$[!??????W??ky??Gn?????$?8/? I?Za???:iC?9#?@?0'??i9?t?h???d#Ad?D6??E?c??????????}?????V??">O?????r?}O?J???uv??%??5?$????l?S????x???aL"e??Z(Q?? (?n?d??4Q?w{O"?0?S??,?]L:???0j???9HR?T???j??")0Rh????2kn?)K?I? ?}?(5???gF?;?A-?B?d??X??<*?I?0????????????]????g?o???t}?}??{????????O?g????z???z??????^^q?#j#?rkE??T"???i???Q???????o?&E?h[?BK??)'Cot??R?%&V???Q?mit??5??e/7?w?????cxR?*I? ??]?&???%*????CR??=?{?r:??!Js{?-??????h{'1t?`?0 Ho?P;? 9=????TM????@G????F'\5??#?d??k?(8?e?$gg?X??R*c__??@I?2?2 ??W??????>81????K?Y&}?h???j.?z?.xF?`??R??;??7?'?*?t???O SFf????~??q??`4?97??KL???s?? ???????T?=?t???????E?MP??w?PjB?????P???j?q1,q?b]w0I???O\3 :??V????6n??????Z + ?E???XC?|"??Cc]? ?.???Q?w???uk??.???Dz???%#???j????9??q??K?? :(?)??Pc?S?,?Y??D=x?Y\??K??o+?S??a-<;??? ?S&5D?%?????}99???t?r2??"@GU??H?_{?BR]??c?H?&h?r??=?g?p! ??@- ?h?-#"?]??? ??^??Xd?Ams?2????z?P??/?B????i2/'????V?40h?? "J?A?Z?????L?????? ?.?,SF?? +???D??MV?`1???x/??!.??aT???hsTlH?^??h3??X9[????????W??? ???????t?t??O??=?]`?(/*?4H?h? ?G7?????k??K??g\????4?K\? E???# K?? ?x??L? ?Z???S??E?TH,hDC|??l?????V??+-??'???e ?T uq????ByzK???g??&??????lh??\7}?ij?:-? j?,?Q?@?EX?4?]H???j~?o\?3?!5V??'???|?? ?e???? ??%d?????+??????}?!w?qGDH?? r?1??46 ?k??W??VLy? ??,?f??.??"O??"?oq???}???]?w???9\??.??d???C???E?{??/N???=+??*c??q?38???h???8?L?*?~"??o?U ~?-???*???I?YB????M?F?6?#!?????23W%eeOR????????D?? ???? ?rJ?? ?I"?)?U? 3>?%??|J??Gi;SxVX ??? #2?$??$?6?????\ek?OL?N???v?/u~q??j?(8???*m7P)w7??#?*4??)???[v ????t?mt????aX_0"?H?#??t?iP????&?gG]5*U.????????+4?C5???cc?????? /$?B?n!?gG'Sn1?&$?^??qmNw#jT?L?c????L i??,qnw&Co?AAw&; ?????0?S?*????Myll?????g?z????w?Y7e?????rD?? ?@????????????s?j?????????{????y2??j????? A?y'DQ??R?S???? O?oP?z?ccL ????L5?a?rV???.[}??a?a????????p???>@??(???>?[?8?\? ????pP`8h~"??????????|??????9*U#?C?>????4??&???????{e???????9??Wj@?Ps0/?????? =6x????Y!???u[V???|??3????1(???f ??X????&saf[m?l???a??z??*N??CF???1??V,?8R ??S?)@???k??~d?@?[Ti?????????B? ??? ~?6?E A?R?O????????}??c??H????#?x?1?3??}??O??|????u?????_?a?N???9???-?=?}2?]"6???4??2??\'`-??\#??T???S?????f??N????????? ?<}?_????n?#?T?L7$??mu?"?????(v_?:q8Q??j????n??????????gs???Ic? ?eD???@??zd"a?.=e??L^GU?????Q?c????8???Q??:F'~???(C?md'?E? ?1??X????e??xI??'[?=??|???I??E??QE;i?.z??]K!?h?T???????}??1U????????[????????B>Of?9&[??D?.?N>)??w`?G~o???????c)??}??*?@??8?KZ?1???G???!HJUu+-D? 6? ?f'@ ?S????7x?P???Y? D ?\?B*?e???,?>?h???e???M6?????Aa+k??0?$??WcE{y??%e???( ??94? Du??Je?>V?5?!?v?A.iN??!??}1??LA? 3?o?y?tT6?{J?lA????Y? ?.?B?l &?????z?%? H?/QxP??Now??????J???5????9????[??u?'????????(a<-mW?;B?k5?lU? ????????;?JiC? 'V;e/?,???M[?????(Q?0?it???o??D?t??l?Q?6???qp ?hbE=YUr^????3?z:?dZ ?.??Y???U ?o?????<)?}T??$hx},??9a?5+???,?cb? ?M'}?z??????????6 +4?????6?^EW?=:?l?VY??}?t??=?????{ $?- at at?W;B???????/??\.??k?2???????Zp????j??Y??w??k)??{???B???????5?????a?LA1nRPE?)?^?A?-_??8?/????L?:>)?:??U'??,d'??0??d(?????j???{????2??6R???0+e)r":?.9??0?noc?Sa?T:??? ?i2hpO:???3?????|J ?C??????_?? ???????\{[?N4Rc/H? ???%?|??J?X???=??gA?y????/? ??n(??R`gXCBu?T j?|[?Sst6? ??8??8f? ?]?"???????????xG?)??6?pJh?[?B????)?h??E?eC*?????_?]??/??9?os??????'? ??/ ?]?J?????N? +?`?Mp??1? ?2r??NXD????shl?m????f'????\}??Pr????|9?????~?z?4??????tP?? ???M?3???Gx??{??????E???j??W????(? U??6TY0???8??C????l?? 6???K?O????/?8???S?'7p??n? ? ??N????@m?y?R???@?w>&??%?T??sQ?L???^??g??L??????7?Z??o?$???>?c?-^??$L?*??UjyC?b?f? ???KY??A???.`?n?1?? ?Ht??|p? ??? {??#?? 0???,Y?>qqA?? /?????XLK???????WD?V?.?@??u???9=}??'??H??0?;q -Ixfd??[??L r?;g???p???n(?????)??S?"B?a?8?Q)?HwhB???!*??RG Q??7??y??4??O?Q??}Q?W???e????q8HC:?? ??[? ??\0 ~5?J??r? Z??2z'/?Ru?????5B????1TT?q?????? ??x?!?,?????N??0D??;l???]??Z?Zz???#i?j~#-a???N-K???_{X/?G?(?Z???]D???Q? (?5?+h0?= W7A??3??5x???%2E??1??0?+?"&A7??Fuw??kK?&? F?????jU??lm???zD[????|??????BA?r?HQpr??8C?6v? _=??????L?'k?- ?k??!g\?.X??x???J??H????R?u?5EK)???N(*?/wqh?Y??M??;?%?O?Wzd?:??R*;??Ya ? ? ?]^]y}P???qZ ?|T???????? ???mR?$??h?j4?s??me`-??)?H??cW????c???#??7?gg ??@??h!???,1?M?G]???N6?swo{??/???????????i?????b??y??????N?\????%??YNu?l(?9?nt?E?S?Xh?-?r??????U?? V?`?n??M,- }????~; ?_,0ns??? 46????!?RD F???X??1?h?R??~,5???_??? o?B?M?a???65??gG}\t?I?1U??????c%z?n~?????4??6??a??+???6? ^??a:?I<p4%?????c|C????????]??6x??#????'&??p]?}T?t?R?u?%?Fyv???]_??'Wgl????t?5z#gO????YZ?o? 8&?:?U?!Rw??0?-8??^?????0rG???+"???`8 ?o?n?:?.????t???????x\???'@?? P??? (4?* ??d?Z???}?!0j??7????`???$H??????_f&???0?,|??????Q?7- ?,4Q??Y?1??s?p?????????bT?????? ? )??6A? ??{?=?|}????a:?oqTv??b???Ek?_0C?E???$???K????L?????e?b1????K?ur!/??;E!????\<<.U??YB=?r??2;s??fg??=?????{??????E`??$?)??$ ~??6??|??E???B????b???>|?u??=,??(????lV?'?.?4??????:?-?D\??:?Z?? ?????m ?/?i?Y??h????32O?? 7?Z??UD?l? ?h~?X???+??4?V v? ??$??F?? ?}?-??7)???8?#??BY??C$6????)F?'6??%??$12Ht?/??Ua?e?? @?????7X?'FU?:qZ?t??E?B K???F_K??? ?_K?????` ?N5 7???????x?U??q???$h??'PQuD\)/? ! ? ???;P(?{-?x?rdQ????w???5??G5I7????}????m??L OF? 1?n??lb??????r?Px??&s!#???????P?1YP??? ??t?C?U??B]?????R?i:????????-????6???????y2????r??T?&?}??Q?-;%??? ?m??amH?????="??????a?ha>???"??OioCa9d&??mt +?{?/?i??&sz{??R6?7F6?N~'??UV?@?.??X?E('?i??r:}?PNk????????(s?nf?2?a0?}?1"??G /?qCT?_????1? ????Pw?u?{??;7??!7?1?jv&????;5  90x??6&p?^??m}??jT???^??j???a??1K=??t?J?q*??? | y? ?-Gw?@4?g?jb????0?? !K?'?D?!?? ^s at 7:?H??kVU??i??A|Tf<??^o?? ???F$?u?^m?I??L?x?Z D'???h??:k?6:$?????????.?p4???-????Z8$4?????^>?4x?3???:0?:^_?1??l6??`????????<3?TP?2'J?dp?"????^Y??TM(? ?m'?`???@?? ?RV$+????2'?J?[xR\???hq??HmW?? ????????aZ??nn????Y???R??zu'??a?_4cF??X-e 5???r?0o??N?????p??3,N%??bX,VX?aP?Z????X??.?y????0Kc??O?0} e?????g????W?? ?%O??S???@?:?H?y?6??? |7??eN???2???????*?????|S???^??_'?M[?L?????.?R?pR?9|??1|M????L9fBP40T???k{YY?^s$2}??h??cE??k6??B ???????*M`????(N??????gZv"?*&???)?wm?s?)X??\??A?E? e)Z???H??P6cdX??1????$???8???Ro?F?????u?s????T???D(???;????M?=zt??????????^????+H#?H?q g??(p?%2`+O??D??0?&H????s ?:???E@????B?%QXL?{??p? J"???F???t?? U????P??mw??A????/_???9?Q?8??8i??41?u?pG?.??xGp*???3?r?Xv??5?)u???pp?z?~???re-%???_`??]?B'????BaQ?? j??_?iRX??&JJ???@?u:[b?????C#1?!?M???ID???o0??P?M?E?%???YBnu9???,S?e/ ??0?|s???BO? ?????:??H?!?X??Sa???????2? +?@?l=-??????Y??a?tbp?j?|v?+?&??'?????????n??4??????f,??/?????[?????L?e??N? ????/?/&????$q? ;??xseop?????n???tahS??+? ?2???+y?H??!K]?Y,&??$??DK?k?q?Q?1[?WQ_ ????????????????}7??B? ???|??'!?8?o30?)??1?5\U????!_Ut????2?y??/??#??r?2??t?p?p??k??)???6???U??k?;?d??????J?!?"?? ?????#?D?8?<=????s?]cp?H?U.????-?]???I?F????*x?G?????&'@???K??["/b?0??;???Q@???5???]+??{?$?????( 7??f?} ????\6?? @???a]? )??????_?7???c?s????4?????C???:P??=.? ?'??x??:+CP?!(O?sI????M@%4? ??cM@??????K"m(?z M`9GXQq{?f&? ??V?R?c???????I?O???;?{??v-}?^ ??MN????`????1?????"?&o??i???a??w??+? ?k?<9??????]????r?G??Kt??OdX??g??w?i?98YlP??F:"=??T?8?????????????m??b??M?J?n|a?(?-Sx?d?(+A????M ?????hj?+?x?????#?b?g*=???g??? ?>(!?|qj?gs?A?P?9??M?n??g)M8??Y???*c???:????&<9?j{???Q??? ?O?fz??6?/???????-???#? ?\?? i???jZv????????????G????W2??Q????)U???]??#<?w???]A!@~?????? f?????????*6??: &Q,??B???????.a?;s?|u?S8L4?*:? @??D????VY?, ????G??r?3??k?R?o??U?=?J&Q4?Y9???E??????!D??#?^?/w8(??=?C??j??????R? ?HMFh??? 2??fy9z?J? ???c????F?jA?x)9[??ZVq??R:X?fe=???[?y?M??& ???aQ???"??????>??????>?|?a7 --- NEW FILE f9-install-guide-en_US.zip --- PK e?_-?E?3?w?w?x?,????????? A?@???-TJ??T?}??.c?&??M?u7???? W??????q??J?/?+#???DZ?of???????lv? ?? Y?TF???????s?\?{]?*???????m[????;??5>??%)6??^?B\tl ???pi???W%????>??'??5%V ??0? ?.????7???T?O??????7G???????????n???l?????$N?}&?]9R??".??t??B???M!?fw????Y??? ?????????2?2?+GJ???S?? wvQ???e???/Zs??B?G??o??9???&?u?F?#??? ?ow??n????@?q>1???Az?Z?.l?@?n$????*????$??F?4?z??S2?|Q????}W?3o???Y{??}??k???gt???'???_??_J????O???????`pBVY??T???}Yb???{? 7~????}?A1]??????{ ??lX??????:???P?t?J0?V?UH?GY?:???[?????Hu?????&??j ???2t?kEK?z>F?B?iJr?? T a??? ??#eLj?GYO&??l\?I??, &x?|j????9???1??????M?n~D? ????N|. ?)????A?l?t?????.?=????h=U???Q7X??i??Mc?T??wv?g??k'?????d ???; ?|)?'??O????)?\??????zeE.??v?hZ*}EV????m)]!?O??r9K?27V?3?????sT? ?WRK+??;??0??????^|M?iG9?h|???-l?V?\?shp?0g?Y at B??S?Rxe4??Q?j??JV?hS?e????????{? ?{??i,?c*`b??^m?????&:?N?????Y??????a??E;c?4zC1?km?? w?7??? ???V???i??R?D??W?LM]=~??tF??$ sa?--V?)??%?By??1K???b????c|??Z??'?????q?W??Z?9? 7 ?/ ???t ??fYj?*???~??_??????????2V??? ??w%e?^ L??[H;?????:yK a???8?TWbK??}?7|?m!??\-??Jp????F???G?1???#?w??????I???\9w?.lg0?u??}?1;????]?E?V?U??Y ?p?Z?1?R?@3?jP?J??BX?0??6j??B?~?7]v$?2V`.,????]Y?d???h"NA?2??5??8O?,?FX???8?c???UK?jl?[=F1??A?k?=???=P?????43PS????m?T?t??s$?y!??p?G?????<??)H$??@0??d?4e{??{??h?H????????????HO??xH?? ?:[???mS?????N{?#?L??#`???A??e??N?? ??6m??-?]:?W\tA&f9?Z)?????????a???F?????v=?/,?g?l]Q?ZP??^??'????????/GU?s????cy??^????>???M?M'?????W?+\?M? o ???K A?<2??a?????7??B>????Y?~??{?l??k???????D(???4?C??+?? ?sW@??l?????(?????!?&?>?}??N??`?j??? ??????@?@28????0w??E?? ??? ?~|????'+Yu6?2?T?vgeU??)=S??J/ 13???????E?K??H??)wlYF?H????$1a?,/? #???????H?&?~?????????}?,???;@???8??J??,}?H?3a?knw?????/????} ?)?r?H??*|+?BZs???s|??&>?!??"Ub??-g?(P??@`?T?_?J??????:??h??oG??h???V?}=i?$?)??_?t?Q???: ??$?_???N???K??+????e2?k?}S???m?oo?<???K? ? ?Nu???m7?????????"_?B3??J? o+?h???!???D??t?.?0 Y??m?????R@QP`??? .v#l?????~??s??|#???B&?C5?j??5j/T?t?m?*zu????????pF????~?G???????%X?BP?O~z?1??"???>??M?n?? n???a??:???????i??k]????????*k?%???9?["{?a? ? g+?HY??5p? 2?[?l?:v??)????????DI??(?P:?uy??GCm? ??}?t_#?#?i?[h??b{???????~b ?`?(???^}???`x?4 ??6_W?3[?D??\#j{(:?'?=?y?2 ??jT?A??E??????f??V??????A+ Z?G????t ?|?b ?D?!???B?hoO??$50&???d????% ? h???$?$!N?g-:?:v??R?}????k?@???G?+?O?1D????t??;b?&N?q??6??????(??I;??W??y?????u`V?a?F+k0????B??O?G???>?w??8|?%???????VLC??6????e?j???:r?Ac+??"t[?w???h?4??}_`Rc@[Z??0n?+?0?x>5????K?v??4s??~p????mPMvts???U&>??Q?%3???????????(89????L 5u???G5Oo?J???P?E?k+???@???? ?Z???? ??DK?"??j?K?9??j???a?P|???????QTG?X??RV??H??P?k????]u?t??-[?RU(=M6???N??i?(?:a?t?|w????????gOON?=M???L?YZpc?_??]:?E!?Ff6?&ONN~?0??%??ir??r???A?&6G????49s?V??"i???F>???b??EKN?? ?KK?9?i*????????E"M????G? Xav????h?C?????FvR5??zL???Y2?0??9v?!?r??aM?pV?j5MDu?n?i?f54%3?>???}?H6???l?l?0?AC-=2]A}Ax???7??y8?g?????lB?mZ5?? X&?jU?fQ?`??L??U|?????Z?r?uf?`F??fK??V5?-e??3[cE?d?J?30?,??:?????|?#L?C?e?k?(??>??.????e?nCC?v???j!*???c????????? ???????l*??c??X M{@5A?pLd?}E?x?;?!1-??m?U4??`"p?l?e9~????????????9?]?? _K_=???/K?j4E'??t)?]l??x?H?????SL???h2????+VE?-tnBB?I??dv~~vz~FI?'`??t)??n?,@?VZ55rG??1??????2????1q}?H?;??&?c???wEc??D????????%??? ?6?&4?-?O)?> ????????Z??_?=D? ??= ??????*?[?{?B?f?h 0?A?R1?? ?P#0??K?I*????n?????\??????/?];o?~?7{??7C??????$???????C@ Y>?z?7a??y?8{ 6z$C????n????t??f?5?{???PK 6-r???}??8)}????D??? ????z??5r5???Q???????ny??S?z Y)?C???:????K?0=z???/??c?m2mW%? XT????BW"?J??y???Xg?E??hg??{????q?????zg?????/?????OG??/??h????R?xsDd???G???>izU)??????9????G???RZ???1??R???=?????_r???j????G?I.??????5???CHd???d*Sn?@??O ?,t? ?pPaE?)u???iP?Qc??????w???,~)?)t?B?)??.Ilg??????????;O,?????A.??5?? o? ??{o??^Y^?iYQ??T?2?+Y??3??[a??78??:zMy? ?p???/PK ?i ??%ZbC?*I9?n???????Hv?@?"y??}2qi+??%?9?*f)?????????(i???lU3Y???m??~????0?????A ??`?Ex>?????YK???+ Sf?:??9????4 1v%?)?J? Y?\if??H?????RI+?\0?4?J?~T?OJ????/0?@??}xy??-n?7?\??1t{CZ'3!c?~n????l??k?? ?-?x?$@????????e???m5 ?E??? y(??(ua?????=G???F?? ,???????? ??"!Lw?-???i?Q?>w??d0??v%M!??0??&?s?Z.???}?-O?Vn?z??1??LA ?*??? ?K???]?? va??Y4\?9CS??j%?W?Q??87?`?}??x?b??i????? O?r??\?<`?e???_p? ??u?/G?7??,!a??G^a\??m,?eA??4T?7v??)ANi?@[???h?????+h??;??? ?E???F#?k?????P?s??-??\*?\???????+.v?U~??? b????=???G?B;??ri?sHpc](??*??B?????????T???????N+\6 ???3???X";?G???#??????K??? ???PE?h_??????8??????????J????J{`+|Y?????Y{??????9??????b?????}&f????e????q? ??@? ????????m???????!????PK y?&Y?|m?4???e?,?h?E????N??????4?U?~?hw??QD????ZQ??s?C?X????b?%]??g?howw;"W????it.VjQs????&>1?+E1?m ??AT^s???fx?Z Ik?>??H?2??S??c??R??OSr? ??????[?`@ap#??????U0?C???g?=s?{1ov???[??56???j? N????8???(?H???[?T+?????????t?)?DKain|?J:V???R??????????eV?Q ?-?J?iw??*S3@mq???sc??4?????*{??????????DL???????? ?j????????n??1???T?x??7?~?r??P ?QY,?? ?z???? ?6???vw???MJH??`?ApC???Y?#?????v???????%U?,?:?o????%?j?&?Id??Ti?U)??3????'g?? ??z ??JiScs?Z`A?s??????S??N)?w#0 at Lf??B???T????N?"???1?I?r??F???????=?bz?Y? ???M???%???ql?&???i?<[z?i?7??q??nb?G-?9 ????i??_i v???&gR??@?? tB?u???P??V1z?+??FL?`#@92+i????'??oe?ak?????1??3l??bq)?Z?\H&??e?Q\Y??#?%?? ??6r?e?C?(? ?\???"?c?d?f??i?J?p?*?????G??????/O?_?<.3??,?L{ ?Pj %????4? ?????4??????27\????_?"???kd4}???/??/?%X?;k?5?o6????OWh?jR???y?dr@?/? ?9 ?? ????o??1p ??sL5M iY{??hpR?oo+4+(Qi#?9??dSH?? ?5CR???A|???+???????1???S????6????Z?!?6???-??W? +???>Z?o????????6?1G^!y-8??*r??;???? ?@M=???T(gt???y?wV????????|?r?????)_??M3?6-q??????Ja?}?6FTT?? ??F???????"h???????A?????'G ??N??h!??Z?o}4??|)V"s%r>???m???u?.x+???[L?p%qM?????h?K???? ?????K?lw????%??]x???7H ?/ ?L$Y?xrG|?(???????? I>?Z?Rc??z?? j?Op?????,T?KMx???;d?? ?*b?jz}????A5/?7~??#;???~JQ"7????d ?P??o????I???????"Au?X?A"??x~rL???????y?X'W%B/0??????? ???????q??M :?V???V?????L?$????3\Y??p????`?l?8?J ?A?p???s?????5*??1)?O?V?`?el????????4?7 ;??_[??h?I??? C?????P?4X???? n2??q?I???????)????????)???tGN??iS??pS?y??v?f?n/?? ?k???? ?\<????l?? :K"?Y?]??j?8??|}P??\?zq ?>*?????&???l?h??.???W? ??Z?????9??6?ent?g????CRX??l??2lQn??T:?d????:??h???M?|?[?u?,?y?h?3?????i? ????A??0R??TO??N?\k? ~??W?I??7???b=H?????$???=?=????K?? ???;???G??????+|e???????????7?W?p w?/PK k?????<:W?????M K???????E??#K??^?]+?L\??P??W~\??}?D?-?b _?Q 9/??"????~?Kz???S???.T?a??>??GU~?m?&??U/??e????????h qd%??<9??~?h?????-?:\???s?7? dW?????E?D?Q?J{?I,?7?W$?8?=??u8??!s??T ?????B???W????Gq???????.?B?B??FU5??`1??4???(B???\????lU;4?X74& ?a6?*fV1?]?U ???C???3? ?????k`?rC ?xR H????[0h???m?&d??+c!CX ???;4X?f??????(???uJ?????D?y8?'K`?)??p1B???k????e/?lRw??>s?????:??i?? ^lg?B6w,??Z, t????|?K?f+??l??%?????n]? P7?5u??S??;???????????(???g?R?k???????z???d??r-u?????x???O 5i`o[c????}????oeww?i;??a?y?Q??79n???V?????S????z????k ????i4?%???;???H?8???????;?v?????????u?|N? wV?t?{?}?_ S?x???? ^(F?????/g?????z?r?\???  IHDR C'??? ??41Jn%&???4!U?@W&] & 1t?q_"?*Q?{???Nr??s?s??J??&T?????q@?Km at l/??z?l?? n?? ?k??`???`>a???? U?+??0??????K?0"zi?????eN??8???ri`L/?????? %?8??/???? Q??&?|M?????w?bT?????o???????9*">?,=9??f???????-???/ ??^?? ????H??\???}?wm???QLG?BTcDm QuU??aK???H?ei?d????????????M_???|?y[MR???'?????x?????OFg?????+?D9??F 0??8Pm????$??&??r???{???????`??5Q???B\i?VP'? x?????-???+?e??IS?)?4 ??kW?? ??+?m??(?*N?"?bP?? aXW?@ ??sc?(???K/?EC?3??1?V.??_???0??? ????\???F!ba?:YC? ?(?.?yWa??4 'N??Wdfl?l?W 'NV??????[d?9E??hF???????U ;&????2??orxzr?D???g?? +VgY???b?c???g @S???? VSUb???????]???1????S??,?%A??d? `???????h~?a?=?K?C?q?????lk????{M?b5???Tg???7?kox??=???l?zUW$q%??Q[?T????t????????? ;???sT "??,u???ZM+?@????'u?yVJ?????????_???es?????|??????=??????????dGw7e*?T?FUhi:*&?i?/y?MD?B~?}?????????????!:ZC>_??^G?=>????}??P?B?,? .?n?A??7MX?C???Y?U3W????K6l?o?*?2??l?,??C?v>3??c??i;?X-?I?????"H???S??xtfz?488?V(???? ?2p?`??L?&;?;wup,s?u`??,Y??@t??w5??????4?m2 Sb? a??`??x?? ?k??a`]?*??M?$??j?L=P9??@kS?????lJ?V????????t@:???:?????d8sef??/G????m???Hf>HE????H4?Q??=????????n??k?Dwm?;rpo}Ry!=hU"d)bQCPVE9E`8?\1\TQ?????]??G????h??r????q??z??%????a ??Z???i??d??5UC???}?2?[??Hd?????#????????a1?9???m???R!?XI?(!?????? ? C @ ???>y??Q!^=?:???[??b.:Ysy??Jw?O#m??[????? ?ia)?DE??X??? ?oMR^ H ? ?a????????/???t??b1?4?S?_??g??T;??????P?f ???y^~?]N?4[?k ?@??@?DH??D?y%s???'? \]?FT[k???????3????D?? ??[hgm????A??x??U?K_??????G;K2????S??P???^Zjyi?f@? {? ??????3s|???gsb??Qd?p?P?????jm?/>???D?!C 3????Z????G0-?v?=7n?z|????>?vM????k?Y(X ? ?+5 ?  IHDR @6??H$??m*]t?[??J?_ ??/?i%???????P,????????+??x^???????lo?' 16v?Tj????U?*????ZD?!{????7??>???5??C66^?? ?Wg??5?Y?yfM??q:n?? r-? ???,??)0K?MD?E????Ed?????^???s8???  IHDR ?H????3O~ ???A?p8D$ff???6?Y???>JOO???g??????/Q*}ex?*++?^6x??~/SS9B! ?4?Thk ??g~? KKo??c???w?uQ m[?????|??|?|x???_?=?!?X? ?_px+??c?.&??~&??????;? ????<?Hy??????2?U[????/????]?g+c-1??\??? ?S?}l?+?,??B?????{?????EY??m??U?D???_?i;?p?#B((??X????=E??"Z????- ???;"?2?n?D6??l|????P]?????P$?4?4??E%9>r3?M??3??o8'?SB??C??2 ??!?? ???T???VW?X?R?"3???(p????/?????xfjt|l???\*??a????m[?E?????N?;??f??(?3??\??T?(;??\pk*TM??? ???` B 3??r?????Q?? ?C?-J 8? LNN??g????????? UR??IZ??R?i>g,?,?h???A?9(Q?@?l?????|6?E???7?~?o??p?{?2i?w???]3s0?O??K??9^?k?Y!?d??#%??N????????o~??z??. ?,??t??G{w? ^? =??R?HF????????fD????9@(?\8???o??u??Yj??;%? ?(i7`K9@&?3LEx?F^7??(@$???3E ?a?S~??eTY?zb}w?-???mp"q?????Zn??F??n???o????Z???F??????k???88?am???d? ?m{$?R????$##I2?1?J??<8x?t?2?X???I??2???q}t???y^^?G?????9??#?@??"???0\?v??????? >? dz?????Ot???S???>?#?UvF??O????3?r?q? ??????????ll|?^o%Bi? h?l???????}?????*??4@??dk?ss?h??m?j??8??Kq?YM??????el;???[?? ??????K??h?N?Co?h?` ??#_?{???6?{" ??U5???o??K0????L@?F??(??=?57?Q?t?Ng????????!???Q??jq?|{?????|?F????IW??+/?????u??s????[>?c??,*->G$?`?P???? ??_?5?+ !???b??O?b??o?a??!??#e??I?fZ?^g?m?So? ??? l??@????d?=O?0??????p??ZkI?m?[????)-????FD??.??????????r?(, u-Qi???????\???MYF? ?]?'e%o?UcP?h0????????;u???? ? Q???Z*???$U?b ???Vq????Q???????9A????X?;????{?K??q???z????GO#i??y?Nr]???t??kj'?n?p???XX!??'???M??%???LqN>?u??z??:~R?e???@??HV??????5????F??@Q???Y????GK?pq??rF+0 ????j?Y???2????+????h0r???????;De? ?WO?00?H??g???O?Y??? ??K?'?????+U?N?4?ObJ??z4?m`B?\?3?#??d?#o?2z??!L?_+}2??M?m$:??{???0?M?5`?Ga#????L?Mz?tXf?MEzCl??????%g7uw\cE>{_?WL?{????k?Pp?*? \%=??????????~*??~.?5%????I/i8?? ?|?2g??q?17????svd?U??cR(?e???m?6%e?nO M%?1?=L???5?i?2*!`?05Q??r?Ee???A????7???/9v??b6 \/?d_B #???j?5\e`?^r?? 4?????})??+??C?B?3??V?WC ?i%}?S?S??!???{]H?=?TjJ ?&????????????#^0~L-?!?C??=?lYO -|xK?????*%QF4mJ??`q?hy9?_??y?so?!?O?k??[?{! /????e?}????'??c??`??U`???~S??/: +0??g?[ @??F???_???L6??E{,?0?Y?!F??Qc"???h??/????Y??D??s??BZ?$?o?5i???D??| ???*?R???|p?%{vF?Fr?\,??`??wB ??;o0)J ???i????b]U???.Z?~>TAT +???H l+?*??=K??????E???;2nH&?XP???y???8?M?r?}?U?g8e????????D/ Da?+Zu????????O???y???PAi? 5mG?n?V?u'??P??=?8)\??l?5B?-T?X+r_u?????6}X?O? ????Hk?L?????R?????vo?J?L??%?N?u>!?K???@????QY???=?{'/?S?{???SM=},d?^x\v??0?H??.=2?????B)???x???J?Ov?W0?????N?bG?0?D????P? 9!???G??????~A?&Tk?:???o+?P?lS??~?w?`??L?,???D ?Z3?-??O?7]i????4U?h^?????:????\F ?nR@?WT4??@?L?6&????->9c?F?L?R?@p???????}????0????h?_9?m|???A $???c??+??[?i?C}F?????lE????sBOG????c?Xz`??h??? @??9??_-T?iW?oaR?$????m6?}!? y?>???#?????R?O@@(?v???._?K???Y?l^ ??n%?????%c????o?????Fa&(????5?F???@?8}???,?>B???? ?m?6:Dy?:&i"?w??\?B??x?? ?????m|??6x?{?@Kn ??????iu]9??Y?A??`<{T??????R?G?P?j?zg???_8;?=????O9t?????Tx.?????U????%??T??M??r?7?E??X?eT??(????_??f???????|!md??:M?G???H?????e?? ?5?? ?P????B.????Qn?@?m????????"????e??m?p?P??]z3 ?h[????7DKKn ?u?E?&??d????}???m?zN????????????*?x?J?O ??*??,?Y??)??y? /??8???\?Vb???A?}???#?,?????H???A??W?-%?G??C???9Q?????????? ;?@??? ??'4??????`?v"??0}???????????O= ^s??G?hxz???]zs?zN?GoQ=??F? A|; /??(,E?hR???J?C??@?|?????????????W6 ?????B!????????|?a?Z?R?H???O(-??{??=Sg?j?-a???c?T??T;?????Yb??????~?(?>?g???![!???-???_Ai`?f?|L?,;@??%[V ?]?gr??[?!@wv?????? 8p?,??;?D???Z?+?wn??^?a???y<.? =c??n?jgS? 09{ ??]?6@?,?????L???????M??2Y?R??p?C????L???6????v??;??f7???'p??2%% )?}?b???WfD??HO????M&?Cgm?e?A??(?D &=?I[E$? ?e???|?x?.V`D-?~'-I????$Lc??>s?%aF?k?s?P????x?t?puY_R??p??!??R?OF8,?w?????"?????d???2???:?hD??Z?? ??"?6????!???g??E?9x??????$,:?X??p??????????7??g?._,3M(????b?K1??????vb?5d??g??r???v??|?P d????SA???G?????A4?f?????b?M,???l???1????r??d1(?5g???<?? #?Q????~?? ?B?S~???v???T?(r5?;L?GDe?h?? ?7?P???s?? M %z?Q?E?vr?P?M?NN ?K?E????KIB?? ?a?j??? ??mRu?|??lA"???[???L ?n?(??K ??????x ?aI?????~?2??P?N? ??d?~%L1??2?&?V? ]?;?5???9Z???~?? ???$?2??? !#?gN5?$ uU?,??r?????K??b?3????I?????g??????L?M ??? ??" ???_?l'r?W????G??E??VhO?h?,?)2U?\??PyU??M?0??&?&? ????? ??rJ[?U???8 ??)??D+?8*?$P?Q? ?GT???? (???????>Z???????T??Z??W?Dpug?n& ?]e ? K%???sm?????? ?>Q??`?Q??????????@=????NG??Q?????[?6??-[?}`^)k????a????*?Pg*R????~Y?l?i??7???]???oU >\m?gH???h?W?*IW?y?? ?W??(Ywo0-+??lr??p?a? ??i=/^?c???! ???b^?=G9E?h ??_???p{~T~:???,4L?? _ 9- ??8?L??Z???z???m"?S?z???????????)?ke???U???a?A??k??>??{??? ?>>?~?-#???????`h???q?k?R8?|????s ??OB??? b????C?J?+?l j ??6?????2? &?bk ,Z&??J ;X??W7p2??; ???????s;??w? ?lKR??A?p?oLR?%??n?^?????ea????%}?Rd-???J75.?&??%??]?!v;?g\?Y,?+ ????*?v&zj?LF??X??m?? ?????~?J??E?G5??t?YCY??li??Q???C_??1?????Qt???;???>?K ????_t?????(???R_?? |K ?.?^?a<5????@O8qD!???_?@????G?????L?e??G_W?8@h zp?K???M~y?$?P?7??M?i8?6?????????k??C?%??S$A+z???9!?? b??OT.?U4+)?I\?Rh???{ }#?Vl?0?_??c-?qO???????{&???h?H0????!Y?c?@A???#`?w??@?????\?4??82?1J?r*???%??;?m ^K??/???e?f^???!Ev ?~???3???s??E?RH?;?W?%?Yw????k?yn??3???_?Vi"\e?s>(?IG?{?.d????4?t???T???dL????$-??f??GO|z?C:|\?L ?iI??P?p?J+???O4??[?????v????yw?? 1U???????G?$nm ??{U???\n???u?E0?KFZ? g????]]?NG?^?:??i??L??TC?A`??_?0????T5?n??C??GF???&?~?>??Y't?7H?%??M??{ C?????Xw?????*x?R5????G}????? ??y0?1?Z?P)???+ at 1??E!?T-??3/??j?@?h??/?x???????Lb????????V; ???in?W?z?+??????Ox?????d????n?u???j??v??B????hy ?8U{?????oy?hPB??>yL?B???q?????]?? x? ??u????$?Y?M??'????H?f?????Q?? ?bBI?k:?l?M) ?4 ??e????)?????C?? FMPyN?&?????5?\?Ws??]??o\???r??pvs6??%??;>O?s\4???q6??d3?|???x?f?C???O??x???M?x|??M???g??,?"4??D?M????$?[u??`q??l??~o?????`????E`?;G??&r????ax??[? ?Waw???>#?H?L?tw}lv???**NU??B??????2N`jn???DPO?9????/V?A??f????i;_ ??9???ep??`dn>#??&\??? ??????K??q?~????S?1T??)r????gaWr????g?n????????@?c@?`c?B?*? ??"??7??R?;z?q???w??&?c?_?{??O??}?~Q#?????1??:P????_?, ?8?w?i??u6Z?j^ P??????????6-]??~?? ? &Xt????&?j?y??Zg??n??y????z??'???>??8???rZ?aF?6?k?1?@ ?rW9??O?P??Fj???{T????.???3(????p??C?L?D+B????,?????z???????_?? tTy??\?Ek ???T?tw??p??O??U?t???N????? i1?z$1??l??[c???{?&?%%???Y??b??Q??QZ????????????????,??AzT???n??so?hpU?#%??~??*????? ?F?x????I~Ciu?ST?? ???7??????:S?`?5????s????????? ?*Y?l H????g????*?AL?)???@?8?_?R zj/) ??_????T??y0@?????????A??$???-??M?z??n?????L???>?2???s?Yi???E?$?C???b?;??????;?JnyAK??[??}&??d? ???4????sX?z??/_z?????c ???+>4N???Z?. ????M????_?????????jy?=??\}???'f??H??S-,??????b???? ??D???:??+?}-?1?;?w?i??l???6??????]=?J?????m???7r?Al?U5Cx?za?b??bz?^mq?-??m??ZL?7??FRt6??????H?}h?????w???O9???? ?H??+e????(B1.p?? ?????(?Jf??;UDZ=??????,?|?&[/?0?e~l^?Z ??|???Q?y?K??j? ???7?w?*w????mf?rn??}^h#???w?[?? ???#Y???????????'???U?g }?\UX_?]T??[ J???gw??????~Wt??Y~?L?#5d}?E?y???c?&m??^'?E??IE?????b?{UCr????I??,^6????????mN?????}Q??!???b???x?????????t?{?Mf?'???????y?f?????^???<56???Q??.???????d[E???7?M??????.?60'S?I?????0?PH?U?{:? ?FA?#W?v9S5?]???m*????v????.L??Pg?/(????E;K?qA??????U?w??????a`2?p???`???S???Dl?:?FU#?M?C_??/?????|???u?YgI?+?????????iM=D}?.?????@f??*???a? ??B??yu??[%?? ^t??????(0zs?[?????xd?Q??v;?4??YAW??7Y?k?K?JA???L?5???9I?( k0l?"Z?????T??u?v??]???2xhx???V(?;=_v?F ?"????z?[??#?? ?ru,?z????nNR!C????X??>l??u+???> T?U??dZI{?w?/?I?"c??[?n?+kJ???`??? =C? x?W.??y??????!?|{] ga?,?0???d??1???!???[?+???????w?{?Wk???]??;???.%'??????\????3o???????Y?Y???,?214&???1yIfx?,t ???T?n?C?o?^???_ ?????{D?q???????????[x????eg?l???=?? ?~???9????[?L?5^T?????`?Qo? ????}u????m+?665o]';EN?|????? ???????)???>SA{???r?r^?I?????\?o?B?;?\??J??B??E?]&????]??K?|???l????????M??????oI9?:???br?h??[#][????`?-??\R?&+i???m??h?? b????l67??3T??B??????w?j??Y?1??g??? R> ??>v??-? F?>j#???ic??o??*?|G3?d???/??U?j??(??z???i??%?Mt????*S??j?????=a?????\??_]Y ?????vdWOQ??Pl9[&?`?&??????w?p??j?m????_?$?????[V???c?x1?M?y*w??[g?o?9????[*G???>????<???D3+??1+V???b??G|UC)??xg???^1LD????y D??#?????;?oj??}?w???M????U?>"r??h?0#?r???????F?*??w???? e???u?x.?HM}-??;CE?????????U???"???????[?=?#nMs?;?;?K??n8t|x?[/5E?[+??? ?? ????(????;V?OHq4?!????????D?????[?Lf????J??E? ???k??xW^/?^Xn???{n? ????^*{-??j=?>???P??V?_i??>??% ?Y???z?6?????&? ?K^??J??9p.q?_O??Zt?????u{#?Z????{"uf??????????+N?????f??p`????4?ja????????????O??/??k1o????????NP???B??#f?e??#??V??z j?ng??j?????????,i at a???M?m ?h?[?\HWw=:????|??4??}???*? ?j?"????s "?#B?0qJ?o???:y??Ka???/e??g??????i5??S????,}*????? e?U??1?X%?7?V????????w#?o?????? c??C???????????Ex>~?-??  IHDR ????:"????U??R)??p?????j??"?j???????X_???+??????FD'3???D??n?????Xf|? ;??q?9???w1cc??????g??[??g%? ?f?(?o3?_#??S(J???>???V?'?f??L???&a?O??5?S??SUW???y??o?}ln?Q????7z? ]?v????????  IHDR ???N?>W?.?.:e???%?)t??{???????nk?t???w?????i?xEU?? ????@?????`^??????T???0f?K???C66?l???Ba?????Cz?~4-???2?i???????)??R,.?&|?l? ??{[??1??S?%-?Ax?? ??? ?p???!?a??C?@t???????r"" ????O??|???$?D?R?(??????????? @ Pws$?;CPWO????n?K??o???'?4????? ?}?+?N???????O??????W)?? ??? -%Z??[?F+9=?}?X3?? )??8Y???!??????V??E????B????l??}?\?Z??"JI"zj5????i???It? ??Q???V???c?z|????|????{?[?;~???1oik??eh????|?TD*??r??? H?{?(#??h ??{???????)?????l?' #???????`:;?~k?W>M??PJ!?D8???N???bi?,D???H??K??^?c?|??????? g?4?b?r]? ?Gs??1??Q?;y???HG?????/ ?? _H?????op??qn??q??h??E?M?k??q'!?p!???? )Ek9>8T???G????2i?M????h?b??Qw??x4?+)7?ikGd?,??h?F?u?H?Ra????? ?vC??-VXK???[???G??}?y!??I?9} JML? %??  IHDR  IHDR ??>< ? ?B???dX?;???????_?~????Z2? ??????q?????bA??#?("[????????k???LNN?^}???KKK??#???????24MC??Q[[K?P ?????H$???QWW??h@??-P?$Q__/466??z?'N??/--=?4?(??????`0 ?X?L&?^??d2a??)//G?4$i???????&;?@ ??????# ?$???????N?????????J??f?$?IVVV?4 ????n?d2????? L&&&?gff????v?H?P????w?\.?(? n?J???.??Q[[Muu5??r????????????N?w???[?????????M?$mIc?Zq?\477?{??w.?????2?m???|~O???Y??#?y???c0q??\?vm6???????1T ?|??????b??(????1?(b6?ikk???Co? '?x??????"?-8????g9? ?3?????????N??%|??q{????xd??.?L&?z=????? ?x??/*'O????????2h??d????????My>?y6????????=%%%Otvv????V7448??? 555??v6??x.????? t????G?n"??1?????? ? ??????I????4????T\?`?$? ????9??K.S?S:?b?????c$?H?|/eK?V??????oS??DB? ??G????,?cr,??8???Q????U???? ??5????h??3U???Q??Cv)0???S??0?]???????@"Pi?o?f???6??&M?m??~???? ?a BP???\??Z?v??Q????V?qQ????-yI??Jm0`5J?6:,S???\?l?h1ccDW]?`?6???.W??c?3?Cq??w"??lA?Vq???4??:?3???L/??????LQ?f???>??????r??14Ji?/k???(Z ??*| iN?#?K? T????Q??a??F ?b?????_?5%|&???U??"??`{?????l?"@i??(+????r]???1?^??8??d??Yf?* ???&?W?3?*???????????dR??5????[???n?:=?pn?IgSp????X?? ??b??M ? 0??? ?? 4??7?t????????? Z3?E B??????T???@ ???xP ???c???;?r<_???!F?(???!?#K{>s??? ??zb?I??2?-???_????i?dd^??G]Q\m?P??% ?RV?zr???u??>-????LL?? ?]? t:%X???-??7??c#s?? ???Y?C??????7?N&???NX???????@8?=?QN?!n?S?R6?fp]AOz?s_???}???#?+J?,?? ??XG??~? ??z??t? ??,z0e?wT??1???BM????????}?G??*sW(?????[??$|??.&?Xz???:c5???`[: ???e??+7?7??l7?????47?? V}?Y=?F?7?????R??DK/|???ms?????'zwv??W??lC???????.Iu??}??jw ??6?*?Q?H?????"{I?M??^<~?????????K??PK ??{W?? ???Jp#??W2o w??.??????j ??Y?+???Aap?? mx?Y?????????q? Y??S??????|????x????Qln??J%?&?????f???????2?~m??1PS?(Ym??t?c???????!??c?N%/u>?? n???? ??:7\H?GvgV???u???_n?u??2l??t?32/??**1???Nf???y?'?%~?CM;W.???2?t?M???t?E/}??%?? |??}7????M7>:??????k??e??????B?M7v?j?7??++?%5???8Sh?%,?>??"Y????;_\??????,?b????p??_J?:_?N7P? ?=rQPfd%??;???/q?'B| ,??H}??V;9<<;?????T.Y?sc??$=B;??Y.?J?6?DG?????????$z??r?]????6?rS??r??? ?CP?? =e?????";?zK?/?????]& f18?#?$.?n??ke?? ?|?T?ZZx???Ri??38?4??}/?l????(pD?.D??&J?? ??n??W! ]S???#?NX?Pe??O@O?????^_:???]?a*???B?3???W?'5A ????????9??????y?????Hs?p?y?uaX??*?????FEA????????5?+2 g??????F? ??D d???? u????u??;I?0??+Z?d0? F.??G:?*?:???H@??4\??????y??1%X13???B??Rq,=??R{ ?*???>?y?7?O U?~??z? ?5?9Y?:S?$?? (?%.?fN8U?5?R??? ??????%E???x???\??x???\??X??j???`n???E?`???8>}~D??????G?O?Z?????EXXM?{xRs??L?3??.|?4?<\?6?????:-???oC>\?E1?I??D?d8??>?P?}?h?qS?[?I @X??8??N?.?|??[i???X??|M??d ??RB???m?zB?=U?F?p?????B?TS?x ????0?r??K?i?Z??????U?q$???@? ????Y6???J4??A?W?c-0???sL????????r??????`?s??n??Lk??*?- ?p. ?????.X?:??b8?75?n???? N5F????[?B????m??@??????i88w???????Q?????;?d???|????Q??@??q???jd}?gNv?????B ?>??X~????u?wp??M?+{???? g?a??1??[?????C????I????u?7??R?"???#A?=q? ?? M??}gRdr?,/`??v????OH4????&??\|??R1,?????~??*?ha???\????GI?? ?P?qa?hosVza??P?V/???X???C?(]??? ?B???)N+?g+%?Vr???????UE?lG???Y????,|?>S?d:?^?h?J?w4????-_?"??*????m????"",??=?B?`Sb?NU?)i??M?#?m?p,P>f?????????7?? X????]?e?5i?~9>=??!Z?Vf???>??????$?{??&???O??D?P?WT??$???I^mZf?.?1??(?|>%???????r?p^??D:?R+?:?P=IVi?2???G???*?o?????? U?.?2??&?I"?O????????O?e??b= ???\:??????q??y6 ?-?%???@z????Q8???*A?HO6 C?9?a(??$ ?7??3????`Bj??????J??c??OFgu???2;?`???* ??2:u??Y(W?+?kB-B"???r??????????| ????#>????3?`?Z???k? ?$?0? V????E?Q??%"#??Q"5??)?2?? ?Y??1??*???Le?`6?+K??Y??^I?'#?{?G???C; f???G??????l??????`?*?Z??y??.?bVO?Qz_??h???U.??????k?6?\????{?{????{??qV?M$ [?^?????8^E=A???X????pQ???\?]?_?8??????*?K$???T???Gb??????p?1;%?????Ab `y?-_?fy?V0+??J%L-X*??5I??eF ??6doeV??6??????,H?4?HF?WO??D??2'???]P???6hZ ??D:??jWD?????6_3^E???5??"AsU8????$??? ?Y?? ?L.HW?b!C?j?????L(?W??&c??]?*a?\??X?P0?|???Y??#Y ???nc???k at HJ???Q-??=??]?J`?L?or(? ~H?,???4a????P?H6???"????E?I?+W9T???#??*/?{UY? ~???=???h???! 0?R?^?gl?hc??C?Fs??J?? ????;Z???? ?6?????W?K???e??u|????O ??a3? ?# ?It$???<`e?,8E?\??? ??(?M??2w}??M??WLx?'?h?2??aU???|??{Y?2?3: _?p??I4?ku?vV?*?P~?\? ??????vF>??????co ^??d/*??1CW?`??A#??????p???_????r???4???|hc"Bn]??B?z'????z??n??5??b ?tAk???? A0o?????c?%??8?b????R9?yk????l???_g??STV?y??W?*+?V?m%8?????nI?-??)??)?/"F???????????,?au?(e?? ?l?a&??r?3???`?\???[&e????~????\???A?1?*j.J????????Y??@?M???V?????S???C??b?,??1b?T?i?y?|?9?`_?A5?]??=W????????ToY???$???-?.??N?????? ,wN??7?=?I??O?7-_??[?k??U?4?mY??.??_??7?3?4I??)c$+P??$R??ZQ9D^p??f?B;?' ?+:?v?E&i??J?n[h ?s?Y??= }%T??|??B????`?m????2???? ??Y?9Oeh?Gc?^?G??(?????/\v^????D???n{?x?% #? ??U@???X E ?M?^?u???r?????t-?A?????@`???????^???v`?u"?9Z?A??f????3????????>?w{1?aZ?"????5"???P~CB??G}???4T?4?????c?HZ??,A5?[$ ?2qT????O? 6jXI????R????:?#????????~?JX?? *????:???`?b????,a ??' ?-???#Cj???~???u??=?[?[?%?Th?$,???D? ? a?I???????%????-???6????h???o=?? ??/?'][?xGC$??v?aM?4???v>m? ?X??j?E$'??-??`?]?'k???*?|@R????a????59?C??j?Y????T.??R?? w??$????TRX?~?H?? j??Z?????5??N???????????5 ?p%????*????5~+????}??.??5?f,vgT ??????d?BM?v???y?=?????>?R:?)????????n?d???&'?"?a???? UN??Z?????>? ? '?? ??????j0?.?`h.?~?Z!Qq???v>???1??L????j$Y???'F`??W????? I???G?unh?l?$P???J???8???H'??F???J?ncJR?l?(?r???rBp[?mM??"!y?9?5l?]?Aj7???:?????2?Rz%??uZ??5??N?J ?/bNf+k???EL {6?\go:?>;D????Bp{?{???`.?????????,???l?????qpy?=?N?G??(G???3?e??y??$???? -??G]y??bB???E?0??n-???39??l ?????0??I?? k??DT+??Y??/?9[???'l,????[|H???H*r?9??????????????`???6 ?t|v???????/O??^????????$?J????a?81???{?? ?}t?????(?\?????/?r;d4 ?>%????????RiXT ?2M?J??! ?r?X???Rc??$ #7P???i?^?T????^+?C?????l?t????D?z?????A?(?+???[?kl?t?????? ???E-??t g???53x?+L?_~???????5(?????{?xJrF?9XWg?;??D3n?a???c???(|YK_?T? ???F?=?A9[???s-(??]?]?V????*? 7??a??`? w??+?;h????Dm?9hJ???3?4?d?^??F?C??:\>+????T}#t#??g????{u:I$N????t?rP?+?.?7W?7WM?01v=sZ??X??]H;N?j??4??Y?vW???J 7i4???}?~??7~|??o???"w?????Ce#???9??hlk$???m??_???h*??s???M5c ??xp?4?q?8N????)~0?t?(X?-z?`p??????7~??? ????_?mg???{???????{]7???W{]w???q???????l?]??kQ0?!?????????M????????'??PK ?Y;????Na??H???k?[??v?(?J?tf????????:^UR??0???(??X??Lf??(!? ?Rf??B[":??"e???????#*???Y+^??5*4?is@?R? ?7???,??-||6?????=??f+U??S?N??4Sv??O???? ~me?CGm?{?d?k??A?:~S?????iNq?????8??4????`?0VM?hd??i?s?? ??9p!?? ?E?} !%3?}?D@>?D=b?8??????????v ????KB?n(???(R?"3 ??,? ??R???g?%??3?????0?]xr????bXf???`??2??7??[(??=?s5? ?? ?-???,n??3?;????`?A???YIO6}??i?B??|.?a=}p0?Q???????\SG?????Z0? 4?.?o???M?P)????C"???&3??N?? RDw? ]??C???G????;?=????!H{"?m?!? W????Z??L?u??N?+ &????g?? ?g?~W_K?????b??T?R,x????????yM?[??D?c??t?b?E?Km??]!???b??J??&??N????wu??e?~yz|??4a??"s?dY??|Iz???g?`w2w?4yv|???????YM??|)????N\?,m????-?-/????(R|? y???`D???;???2a?? Z?~Y? ??XZ?C? ??-|GP?"?`???O?_?E}Ge?Hx???4j??:a2?'?YKl??-O?0???E??Gq?{?+N? ???6????"?u???%? ???:??"?T?w?)d?d?? ???fF5`BB??Z(?'???z#???r[??q^?/?p)v4?M??^=?{?2]? ? s????1?r?du`????v?%L?u??~??I+2??L?-???^V n??P??i??VB5Iz:z?T??{??fw??:??*?K?ri???} ??.d?&??&pl??J?:?&?,?~5? ?d?2?5?Z*??[0??v????9oJ????0?xA????????u??q?F:?????z?nE x4??J?c'????b?Ls?4V?pb?A$??B??L}?M? I?$?"-Ji ???o{W?? ?x? ??EQR9yp?@ G?g?u???H???3=???????> ?G??IL???H???/D?c6?????L?? {??v???To??O?? ?0>??$??K????????#?c?J?;???G ????;? ??$_? ??M???? ?t?G???l?? ????[p??????a??a#(???=3?@????Jk??/P]r?t+k ,?A3:l?M?????@???% \f?????N>?yW].Oo?W01??9??!??????,0????????*)?? ?????R;???#7?ykFcv9??P?p?$??????}????T??'??3i?Guev-*r?t0?i?#?? 2RP?[?*??[I??e? }HV?G?*???p?x?? ?d?9*cjG?J??????^???7???2?_?Bq?V?c n? ?M???f?D????? ??? ?h ???K? s?k?cC??????????? Wq  ???4??F???u?"??2???????m????VPP`???F???Ac'Y?+9%m??r?u????? ??g??U?30??JZ ?9?????E????Z?????$?6???????t?}b?;????? ??F????g??a????I??Fv?|br>+???v?y?,??? ???y? ?NPH???i??????F?A??:???z?i???\C????%W>?vs??N?u??1T?=??}?? )o???7F J??????:??_?+k!?\???q1?w???dJr??3?]?T 1L??}fA19?3 p?@d5????? ??Tf?????? jd?I?^???s? +T?Rl??i?g??F9??-?s?g?9?&? ??J?????????4????$??Y19???L??OD?|)??????$[L?K??q?TD4P??????py?J&??C?O"?Q?O???7???V???????i????f[^??s?l??H?4ze(!??????) ?????jL???cQ??*??*V????/W ? T?w????l???%??#?r,????X.A?=?????%?&? ?Z$??????n??j#?2kv??q??4/?? n?p?7?H??U?:uV;????????F??k?U??i4?i?)"??4???{?*"+???????"B?u?L??$9U ?BW??????Y?Tg??????#????r3???_Z?< g???????4:7?-?[?????S?|H? |????H??%g ?tPB ?'???? ?????~? P????~??n8?ia??]?Y??&q?#???"u'?8+?S? e?(0T?b?1A??r9?X9?p???1??.?????????p ?}???$s?????C?ef???????3?N??dR?N???wQ??n? ??$?R?*? ????Ge-(?Dx-c?K'Q??R??" ??w?????I??r?Cb????$?E/?D???i4?,/?g#??d?+OK?|?????&@?????;A????q`????!?03???? i?`?D??^S? ?o???????|I?5???"0o?\H y?u???.???P???}????$pc???~?!+?[ ???>/ ?32?=????Ee??7'????e?!D8_?8 ??? e!? ??l????????9`+D?KCQ?u?? P6f"5 3?@\e?????#qwM?h???bd?B?>?(?`????pc?1a????h?`p??????i3"G ???????a?h?EK???1f#{H 4??V?b"??\W?j?????e?G?^?8?J$c??>??C"??RPk? ?R& .?_?=`???i??l???g~g???F??w?K??P?????[??????l?G;?W???1H:X???????j???L?h?bv!?3-*P????s.V?B?{?&?b??/??????@???Dh???Z*vi?y??W???|_"Fv?f????g]kf?????&s???<|W??h?Dc??Aq??#? !?K???R h50:"????m!??Z??+?????k`v?p?p????ay!?\????E)?k??#??R??0??.5D??[6RbiS?gj??v?#?T?? %?O?:Ab#t?X?4????Y7?y????? y???'?4g&c?*? ? ?Bl??@? ??&?/??|??/M@??%??y?P??Q?/?A??n~?????:%?-????dB????+????Mma??_??z\???1Z!9; |!?z@>?C`3?s??xk??HI9{??+??7???QX??l?&???????g?????h??????0?????I??6????1%?oFW?k???{???G???6??u??;P?>y??W???}L??G4v?????E??? 2m??x!????.?z_??#_R???p~:h? i$?u? ?J?W\?5????o?e??C??T???!????]=??@???]??#t?/.???9????Whz?b??|? J ???vG ???s???]???????H?i?v ? ?Q L7ME8?d?s?D^?0Q a???-$r??N???`?Z??<??p|???n @?1Vv?d?{? ??(???? 1S??MO??Ti?(???i?/?Y???????HPBh???W???t?Z?????j?W.vd?$?d?? _E??@!p???u??????vc?Q??????=O -;k?ao??9?3??????7???<???=?_D?-??Bq????"e)Z??????S?????jT???2 ?\???X?gTS%??? ???|?D????????8;R??!h?%? ???Er??z Mpw1????t)???Q?e1???E ?r??p]5?g???;?;E????&???E?3?'O??4zu?=?^??????U}???"E? ?8o?0??fb ? ?a?#x!7??+??]?-?u????8??o W?R)3???$:/\??[pt??W????>?w???*?00k;????#??J??????l?m??{%?Nk???????xz?ue?BrY[Y?tE1????)0???4:?{B?+\?P???????? ?\ ??\??E1/6??]+????\Bv??3?g?w?6???m\?'  ?_=q????.?????d?u??????H????yk????~?/?UWx"??It?? ????????K,w???Q???G??_?P???'???Melei????l4??"{?y6?'j??J??eV??? ?nx????4$?r????r?????VB*??u??N?|??8?g A???>???Ak???i ??mA?p???? ?????L?T???J??q??/??;???w?/??? ? }???%^?!?*p??o|%z' ??1w?^9e????2?C??E?/??W????0y?????t?(T?8L?Ua?????_dm?_???K???ER???-???+?g){9t'~)?j5???!G??? g?O??G????u???ZO?g???)G?n%?X?l???!??B?A??x?y????G??H G^??w?+\?h?~??t?KI?^`??Sb?%R?t??8??v?{*???????K? ?5hp????D1???p??4?B X ???)tg?e0Rq??#???1?H????????`?Pw%??G?????< b??/? ev?9?3??g??m~?h!??4?O?D?[;?S?1?4????P? KOe#???N?q0I???WCce:?N ???d2?Z?3??{][??g ??@???/?F???U?_???D]?L* ??Gu?9?{?e}????SZ??zY??????Y66t???2???"?????? l't???Qmq???l?F?L_?E??? ?u????P?.Jk#UB????Tt&M???7??????\ ??YA?>??? ? ??j??s?z??????//??+XY?y?/???hQ?h^???Y?? ?T;ZVm/??z????@???l???<(-??? ?E??,@??$??W'???N?rQ??G?b???u??????Sc9?X?u?0??j??TXl5?#??J???? ???sw?}/?3?s?(?"?????m??&/y\ ??6?7?? g??`P??yM????1????8^*??X?(N??,??pA4 ?? 4???????}SM??????h??Q??? 9b?/??o?.? x? ???3?68 ?P? ????@? pc2n ?s ?bZ?/????????U???.????N?d??l?"J Y???????M?Di??J??(?????q?'????d&`0?~?O?Z??_x?3T?1XdI?F6??%??r??c??b?? ??<#??/y3^??e(?q>???E?f????MG?&???,??-? ????[???????^??p*L??????Fn?1UB??????gb 9?DA%??????????V?=gn?N???.?>'!??? ?-????u?&???E????????5?Pi>DF(^$2? ?eB?@_3yA;H??C8b??s ???9,?(???I????s???y?? ?X(KP??(J@????v?.?~?l??s?Y????cGP ??hf @*7.x??c?X???4?0?n?Y?? P?J?}g?R? ?d?`?8?x?,??=/UWtT' ?sA?v???+k??`???f????y? ?p??:???o???^?D??-,??????#???@?O???8?q:?:??,?o????E??@fGr.?G?Ho8?b????u??u?/?fK2??x??A?s??O>[?|??!p% !L'??7m.?/:?????QLH?%?r???|?<9??;9?j 2??#Q??`VW?VO??zC?=5???Z?F???0? ???+o??jZ???)??}?wH?k?hi??z?-5?????h?? k??M??q(???1?M ??$????]????4?!??8????#?C??A?????4{y.??AY_????vG??Q$??ue%?7~(????e@???v??(?&???C?P?? ?g???}?????_??"?N?????S^R ??J?????nj?>? ?)?%Cm???E?p?????x5??{>?oAHX????Q,c?o??"8?a???2u*O?a/8m?Z???????o??(???a?b?qg???_u??ykc????T??s?&y??`(??%? ?[?I?25 (U??'???: l???y??&???[????????m??tdTv?2X?mw???Evh?B?? ?Im?Y;q???? a???2?S ?B A????+???B?T?e?5[Kx??hy[p?????q?#?.d)??? ])?y?X 7???Q91v? 8???'??7.W8?&9??@???l?c?~~?0?@?a?;?????? U?i???pWT[$qFLz?Xz??I???P?i`????e]??;M? ??H??Et?k??????qe?!?/?X?q?7?#???v???9/???-v.v??V?,???A?7l???0??qj{??bc8K?????"?.>???JC?#??)???>?'?8l?|?????_??Q????s??!?(?i?????I??f??yq??G??>?? ?) Ue?W8?\Ik ????A?T?V?l?`.????_?~+?q??G?]"^???=??????]?$?"??y??H?[??2NG?F[??9?`??J/???Y?}"?????f??;s-? ? }7?hPot?^`?b??4??!z4??,`?"w??a??c?????{!?dM?1? ??? dkvL?=2?G?5?Mc#Q?s???2K+Q??????&?Q?D???N?S???n?9??R?`?????(?t??.?K????? ?W7q??e i????_?Y?fnCA??X??? ??(???????&@?'4??@?,?Pd?? R??T?%n? ??y?+????=a???D???*L?????6?Q???y?"Z$?F"??? ??;??E?%oo ???V??h??q?y l??hE?OKk@P`V???C*x?8D_???F??i?a?R?R??:?0???? ?r???:?)?b???Y??$???9?K??? f???tw?4?s].???]@???t?s?^?w??dP?FWA??g???K=?]???YD?3 Df??\yY???Fd???^?V?bS?AYh?8?????#??????3??????????(X?>e??D9|(???Y?????;?kT????%>?s???6???K???2K5?[ v?S ??$x>U??pz??X7"8??F*?S?;L?$???/???????DM???} ?7a????#?\?H`??f?h?il?q?7we?5O??4??e\?`??J??U?? ?T?fT??i?????F?????i??d?#?_1?j?????????>{??3??5???CmQ7?l? T????|??qY:o?@??Nd`???v0????U?*?h-/9??VsM*q+z?Rf?f?R??T~UZ?,??S#i_?AN7?YDWn?M????U???9?&}1?????@a2{a??]??\ 0;????u???+k?D9?(?v?   "????gp?3PQ?x??????cR??r?5?????_?eo\?????B_02-???Jo?S??V?PW??????wKgq1M?b.IRz?X??,??)??<82?q#te}M???? ????ZUo?L?[????????G??J L?0G??0LODs????t????w???Ka? G??R??&b?)Ot?(??{ >?tcyE?n??9)?Z3?;;*???P???B???z#?;?^????( ?y???????"?hH?K?S? b?rn?F??? ?E?F??`??b??I??????5V^???k?v?pN?i??;??B??:???R?2???b??KLU??}??o?? =?I??"40?(?)?q?+oU?n?A?p$vk??4L??:??>e?????jn?Q?.??i?T????ke}5?H4?H?? 88?u?aS?X??|?q:G?j??aj>?Cp???+??b?a???bV7a???*??H???N???H6??|?????!?6?K??{n??L??1`;???k IJ?~?/?@???7?Fz{41n?iw ? l???W?(U??&???7?? ??21?@cv??t?J |?[D:2?{?? ???????0D?O??C.?uG???c??N?[??z??zr ???"?j?u?B???? ??-p????;????wF?hc[?'??o? ???????????}{?[?w? ?(?G?????A?XK?y??>?e3?}?vV???@g(???Gk????!v??N1?9?*??K???Y?" ;?f?tmp??????J??>!???????>C"?=L????Ryd?????y$????????g?fhs?? ???W??:?? ?V]?9B??D?????U?g? N????!#jD0d1?2)??? @hj??:'&???/q??Y???<?T??)??????.?2????7N???? e?y????Z??????o5el??w???? oWT??[????8? ????_//???}:?Y4????P?Hm??t?}?H????J?,1@????v??????va?8??IM?]26??X? ? M5???W??V%??JH??v:?? 9???7q? ?U?{ g??#????28JS????A??O?BRc{A????*?N?7???*?S]?flG?q??>A?Y)??"????KVq_c)LRu???? oE?J9? ?8}???H+ h?B?[&*??q???????70????J????1w  ???E??B$?5???#wA??!? \K???%?6?8?gx?aX&??m????{}53????x?r?????t?????Y??? "??C?"iI??????????????Ux??ZS\?(E???1????: ??*v?Hnt????*us??????B?5??J;?????v?k?ky???? 8?4??????83G?G???(2'??/?b???????o??mh?????3V/N???eGW?????N"?MO???"??-6h????'*????h??E??????A?I?=rZ????&????????n???b?T??L???_?j?)?b?&?????E?? ??-?J?9?/ RC?/h???m???f?6u]?t#??B???3~|?????I??9*D???? rr??rS???k?????}?YI???%N?e4u?`??uOd??1X????cL'?u??_.???s??{??????q@? 5F'? ??#$$?o90/???i??N?m?7n???w(?)??`????,?}W#??0????d?Ua??H?KR??? ?$?q???K9?#?H 900m7?7V????~R??????????GF2???b?????u????R???yk???X???1e;?OD2???i?B??{b z?"?L?/ ?o?G?]j??????ra L??o???#, ?s?????B???M?SB???m?;?????????#?9iOs? ??!????B??0???kRkdU A???????.??,?Q~*????x??}?"?P??p????(????D??-?sv]???f!z? e{/?F?n??Y;F??@?}3G??lu?O7a?b?7?c?y??????ncb[-???Q]????2??T?+k$??o?[?V?r+t?????\`??qE_M?e?G??WNl???0I ?"VF?T?}?] ?E.*???????X??zW!?[????/?f3>???>U_?Txa?[?<??V:K??????t4U?mq?????,P3x?P?]??/.?0B??"??2? M<00J?4PQ? z ???@ ????T???TIW???|??P???? ??Bn??? l Fz? ?az??6????%?g? ?3T?L???Cz??j7? H\?V???6???????)?q????0?????F(??5?? ???Y??W(?L?????)g??_????o?? $,?*A???jA?x?g?"?h7???;s?Q??T&??d?|ad??C?+??d??????'??e???&S?? l_???????C??-M???w@ ?-?V~???U????w???r????+H????????6????o??YM???????b?-??b?} B????I??????????5e????????@Lw??Y;??!?u??h??9O ???3D??3Bz?_?3 P?? /Sa;(?????? >??L?o???a??3???f????^?>Y?k6??(Vn???"??? 3???????qQi??8?1?F??~l??? ??@? ???\Uy=?3Y??\m??62+???????OAfz?????E?? ;t?w????????V"Mnv????d??=??[?y?*iI,?????????y-C???B??[\?%??:\ ?&!???,+? k?`i???Q??  ??d >7 &?????F?jf?3jk?6-???7??L??'hUR????2Nv?<6?7:?(j?~?)?????s?o????&4?qTn*????~?"QWY?R???eh??? m?hb??3?????6?A?r??K(o??S?{x ?6??}5i??j? _B????????1???2?c??Ky?h???????f??U8????yDB??}???6?~?O??.  ??????????|???N???@dt??N}?GS?y? :'? ?p?h??h?(Z1?f?a?????B?q?????????????# ???^??2~)^N=\(?Xs?????~ zX??Q?'??h"j??c?????5|>??UJp??D???R????tH???1bJRw???????0?g?????? MH ??A??????Y???+?&00?C?$?~?XW^?0??`+?$i?j?:7???? .?9?Ol??b????=dE\?o????M??L???1?d??_??M|R?";??f.?BA5?R???????t1!???G_?fe?i0?? ????kE???$q7/`?????G?p/N??$R???0???ji??k?????t?????nL=?5k~?@?t??DK? Q:T???/??????H]?9i#???rkD?c?Y?d$????wx0?"s{????????t?LGK??-???@??FF??@???-~?:??q??`H?[R'???#?F9??MH?=?l?5??]??p $??+??p ???TU?yI?????g???????;?1q$?????wg???I????T?bh 8?qHEw?*$[(L?mQ?W??? ? $????U????+????)+F?w?k|Mv.7?hTN?P????N?&?:??I?%??G??e?,x >8????-?j?.?SC???\?u???;??-?#??/?%Rw??h>????R??at'??|?Mp??5??f???L?????  ???2?????#J??K????e,???P?v????wX????+??????2?<|A^?$"D6.?s?9??$=????R????!U?6???W?C(4:/3??<,L5???t?Bbq???-i?B$[z?  ??,??!?[WEZ???]???[I??:????r?)????+?^,???fB???gO????y7???h????KB?b??}????0????{E ????Y???@???V???5??|?L????z??????x5J=?J_?????P?w4?`??N?e*?l??!?{9??I?xeFq>?qv??????0 `=??8?2??s? ??????!???B?%????F????J?k???{Q ?0?QTh?2t??4~?8????~?"t&7S}???k>?3?[?e? %3?#??d??N:i???????$F}?D????};?]z:??? .}? F?? P/:F?#|??mf??o3C:???I?H'?y3w?Xm ??4??==?Z?_??fw?!?? ?? ??E9???V??X??2???;i???D?s?i?Q?) )I?9???U?:??3{<??Ft?2hv??g?b???????%?????#|mi????BFG5??vM#?????S~Ht?"?2??K?N*T:i??8???Nu?f?Y???jq?????;h?N?J????F??s?>?\??n????kV?=&\ ?j?i??o? P;K:?d_x??C??????,D????+?Ic??* T^?????{?{xY?j$??? ?????? ?\?i???!????.>???/ K??;=? ???GK??/V???/????8??? b????#??z?pw????c???.`????B?`?1??????]8BaX?*?C]?a??t??1_????`~???????h?c??~)???j?m[U??????Q?????? =? ???Q?\???d?t.?kw????-??"?M??L(?_ at y-??`???\????n???????????`Z??????????=?ii?E?hQ????? ?????Eh?= ???~?Hv6G?#?5?!???x~?}????l H;???.?+????vvE?d)#?4/???]????Di$?u?????? ????H??????_!?? ???'O?o?p???r??????=?p?\ ??N? ??????????cW?u?k?%????R???{????f???(??+?F?????? f}????_???E??B?T;2?z=????H???????= ? q??f?????PK B?Z ?so?? ???-??=q?s????h?k??!);??????? %??/??f???-r??? ?nl?????F?'a??????????\+i????E???z?eO??[?I??j?l????u ??`?A?2?????|?bc?? c?C*?{f P??+???[???)?L?c???1?X?q/?Hi?? ?i !?})?? |#?????t?|?v?I?pd?#??????dIB??????.?6?~??E??T??S?m??U??Y??}x?9ax?JYNP???`c??)?a???2?.????W??n??|hV? ~?/?v???2???U)??????? ???guD?|S?-,~?r? ?l=?#|??`K`??UR)?@ ???K|Ry??9?I???=????17$*v?T???!?a?4?!#c?If??+??{??5?s??!?J5??? U?J?C)??O%??h????m???`TK?(???:???b?s?7 $???????)? ??V?avHf?p?]??BK~g#?&??4??++??Ng>??s?.v???t?|?;???8?(??J?~???J??v???)?Z?????Y?n??????T????Q?$???? ?9?j??????$? ??4q{1l% ??3s????????? EuJ?B??q#$}?o7Z ?XT? ?%-?????zMX????4?_??e-8? ??|???0??=&|6>/?O?N/6??2?????/???????G ??(a?h?&?P??????4?????H????&? c? {?U????^?cm%????h>CY ????l~2k??R???_~??????g?s??z~?E\?a?b????`?[.?'?V-?? ?\??k?4??f??????????X??? ?Q??Q?u?2(b_?L??ypE???#?J?#??~)????G?0??W?g@???Z?J>?=??5?b&D?f?`?7?K?x)S?$??{?8???"?uy_????K????{???=;???I??????k?F??[??*??f (? ?T?F??jW??-?,/d?R???I? ?????b}I??n???<4B??57?d??????o(C3? ??Cf???}p&C p?00.z%??????X??(w S????B?:??X??,}?????1 ?vi ? #?????????L?}??9Z????^??:?m????Ygv0WR??E?H?o??'PZ,I???b?9????c???????+?h?7v?&??????.??>"?????fO? ?S??????8b?!??\????x?f?Fz?HPO?/?lo?V-V?(~/???=?2??A????4?L@?!?f?s?????????W??????:Q???A?O??h?d???????p????L?oX|?SS????6???????????|????HG?J?b??o?i???Hz?`O>???Q???IR??yd]`,??wZ?0?d?d?? )/9 ?F??C?y??????b?2?|?|??'??????[f???=?&?O??yz???|??99d?????????>?{ {MaG{?E???4?_???i*?y????U?V????Q??s ???/ ???pe %??H???H;?{??c?????**???T1?!&V ?8?a4????[{!?u(>u?6 h?>?? se[? ?rD7?z?ht?a?74???E/??5k:k+D?Bz?=j4??{UC}Hl?f?4???v?G(??TI ?3? !]Qq ? ??( s ??-D?WmAn?????y??r???$????e??;???? ???Zc??{?y)>%'???\%??o???R???F?7?,?TP??R?j???*8>????????g?Q|??+??4?G???W???P?:??Q?_?$#?b?4zx?s^?n?F#???????\w?C????$??4??@An???e5hQz?D???????FM5????]xK?H????u?e?*???4 ?d?x~?0R?J?8?????m???''/????!??[?+?q?[????Z v+ _????%??u??n???[YF?6?l?+?O???Ur?????????Qe??(???????d*????3????????%??Z.x???PLas'????????|???l?1?O?e?;??,?u?X,BB????6M?9%??\%B??/?????????:??G??+%?}???^?dqht????i?N?h??:[6???K?Mo o%? @vD??'?(?KYs????E??????|??e??Q???A??Pl?U?.???\?(X?i?I]&???&L? ;?(?l??X?? ?P????? ?x"??????Lk{??v???y `???@?e!k????v???iQ????5J???A#?? ??P?????? ??s?K???N?_?.7u?"{_:?^lr?????Gd??Y0J??\??N???ia3?K? ???j?Wbs??j???1?w??????zP{P?PH?(T ? ?.?O??(jRh"???0x??? * ?Bq?Z???8) Pu????;?6? ??????s????????5?OO?3??PK ??Q*?h????> ?7????` ?d0{??????Z?.tX?'%m?!??'??v M*? ?H??U*VX8/?y??w9??????_?h?Kr?G????:??????????????L??N?????1??\e??-??c?Y??\QL%A?9??F&S?R?? ?!????g?? 3????????K???Lz?eW\?H??c?*0i????q??u ?GB\l/hG7?G?l|T???_w5?sE?ygj??KGJ?.?????^:5?Z???IRg'?|???????@ A??=Tr?tU;O?t??\)t??V????tc?T??&?wDP;? )H%)HUx ?????G]?Z7?aP ?????~??~<|??:??U~??o?r???z?????A?gc??KTRTN?I?? ^???a?7?E?????????N?(E?????8??!T>hd???g????(^ ???Ua?b?\?? \nU?I?p?c&?|?:w?W????za????n? g<6? ?Rt?y??????????7?j???/O??d??7?J??U??=?;??v{ZEI?? J???? ?:?? ?r?8I?,O?g?/?m????????7PK Z???<;;?v ????E3???I??????%?????|@? ????2_?*?RK???3? ( w???W????????;?WB?A?j???)9???????J?83&?&K?wg?d5>.???Y?F_???J????o??m????/??h???? ??????j??Et?,??????V?|,?m:)????r?l?_7 ???G????P ?????F?M'??????|V??@/OD?/Q?[? ????p?5??p??C?+?????%Z0???wL???sT??,??H??0 ???Q????L5[-???Q?Y? VIeE??Y?X?[z ??[??.U??e??J?EtW ??%x,?e??u?t}s?WWl??Wg''??"`??(2?*f z?mH??lYqpn?E?????????.?wl# ??????h?i?\D/???2?&???|)S?h//yg?)??W|????e7f?????I? ?? K? 5?oQs?????????|?6uR2?N> l?;?,?xL??H\h???_?q ???b?XD\?n?'?v0kX?????R???c????*??,?-#????Q??QZ}~?????bx=?7???????0??j???B)????o_bmv? ?1??????? ?@1?SX D?ix&V??*OFX) LI???^f??j??/7Ms ?B?$f???)?f????h???}y?V?-??6?Y?Gk????V5??p??????C???90??????\?? ?Ns 6?7?C?'?9?"??b??'??Z??E'??s&j?????Y ????1:?u_~???????? Sm?k?pv %% ??/]?4?K6q???q???*}?????? ????????g.*?0??OXo???6?$?*???????C?E?i??X???y?A n?????W8?0?D1[? ? Y?Q8???v?PPP),Cv????<H ???*e:s????E+j.[D??Z??v??9????x?sR?????M7?r,?3???F!ax???R? j?x???????Njx?.??Za?9nu?!?d?Vh|H???6B$&5TD?)??x????'??????`?j?L???V4p??Sz ??3M"??UW*??Z d???????????<Dt/h7t?#b???8???6?)????Sy?? ?>?f?~P?k??????UC???4&?P?P?*GX??M??5ATcU at D ???"7d??S?u??\?a???1|???{#>????d?^e|??;?t? ?b1>ND?=?Y?x???Y??MOgz?????? -??Z????????uMY 6e:???e??rb at +???u??I?Q?~?n??|Ih????ccV?7?#FO??@J"??i????C????= ??3?u?O??:s?|f?)s? ?`w?\????Kg?3r?+???Monn>??+???Kt?y?$a#??9?w!?L???gW??e????wW???cre.?????? ????t*?/????.?p??, ?????>??(?m?? >?????r?? S???>??J&?-?*?????e#'?zFkWrkW?$m?[3???g?1? ??a???-Y???d?z??Oz??y[?G|?????a???I?l??F;????e}??o#FN'?W#???Gl?lmI??? 4?H=?????p?V ????g????lts?1Cb??&???????$??]?Dn+??H%?@n>?????)???5???????~????p?3W?X????? ?0D?????'??8>zy| ???]?J?|X:?&??[:/ P???f?]S???O ???6?u??q?}????3???]J]?5??t ?????%b????8??b}?`? 8?1yw?^????Y@?o?4??-M? ? ???C?L??c?*???s ? ??r?+j??a?? ????(=??qD5Lqk?m??s!?]??R#*???r???????E???}??b9?{?G?;yZ<?\.8Wj??????????~j?P?j:6k *?x?0?nH???{u??2 J}F]???6X??"????jg!?D??h0?RMk??Z\75?nOn??M1???" \UY K???rCa?gk??DW?,L???}Uo?:a?A4??S?k?oMP?*??i?????b???4h???R?x?n??~????z??]?C{??~??ar=???}Xe??IhcK4???e??g? ?j?????i??S??P?*V&8+??&O??*^?>???|???M?j'7_??????H?J?/?d[%B????_G?7?5w?Y??oT?%s????PAI???d?a?????9?t]???1D>??=???@?8?E!?????[9????"???;???b??z???"Z?/?rK1&?????? gDk???????N?????i?????47eI_]K??[?%??k?8*?{?H?)?p[ ?<6????????s?]????V?- ?i[? Y?$??N`?S??v=?c?X???n?g ??6t?]?'?#???H???,d?b?F~????????Dx-At??*Xm}???m??3d??9?M?~N(A???????rN?|?5"P??p???2?? yD?????=? ???c???????$??p?S?????o?????dH?O?w>????jU+???}(???,???l?q>a?b??>3?????6????] ?z I???Z>T???(LL???F??X|e-??}???l??p??Mn??5? kK?h)wE?6( ?C?-tL`/???@?t???_T?? ??^?7?g?<?5+G_?Yy????)v???&?'?G?A?w?25?[?u ?3?G??v-?s?SnDj????? ???m????PK U??8,???)??????J??? ~nD?CPc??J?M?G??????v??H?w???%M%?4u?3???d???Bi?Y??? ??H ??E???1??yY?l~??F?a?-a??I?u|?$h^? an?5???N???i)? ?P?"c?%??F????? R?y?1???I???)y??sg?*???B%?)u??s??]o? ????????h`???Y!S??ich???E??? ????,?J???H???-JR?S???FdA???????-??; ??? ????>p?a?B?C?t)??#? D}?n1tvm??C?v>?w???????n?QU???? T)?%?????cU?}?7t??uw j??P??-?D?J??U!,R??>?%On"FFg???sy?e?|?????y?x?>B?b??????K??q?/J`+???w|???????^???|)r???z>?R?45???+g-????y???i????? 8%d?,q??????>$??wH??????? E= ??Xh=}?|??????&K=??#4????{G?;????? 3???????s??"??????:>????#?~>Toc?h ???????1/?b &f??Y oJ;?Ft;M???U|?x?aT0%S???@T?k???|???? ???b?>0?n?9??b?V?r?_????L$????:?????y???0???2]?l!L????????l???;?4??r??????F??6?lf?(1N?n??2?b?? ??E? y????d?4?3 f?(???v3 ?e?.h?????8e)&?!??Wu ???????u??^$Z?Y?#?!? n???@?I?????:?????kA?%T?$.R;?R???%?*?_?? (???J???P???? $??t???b???c9`? X????A????3???*?E ??7>r?R!a5b?K?Q????R ??v???I?h?eW?$%???P5??J/?OD&?????",U{(?@0&?)??A\RKTA?W&??w???????w?d????????????p?M??"??????89g?qg???A???;??q3??.0pQgLj?7nO?C?-?g?pF????UN??E? ?~Ft2???Vf?E?c?L?>??4?vx?F????a????u????s??5????'(???? ??Z uCHG[???,?e$v ??7?????p ??c`bK;??8FN'?bS:?S???p?j???{?X?? ??z?.)4h? ??T??6?8???g???&?? }?????P?h?Y4??T!?fV?Td?V?QC????~ =V??I?? -B?4??????P+?8`W$X????7???Z BY-M???Oo???(????zC?q{?a =???X??x??j???Owb??6??^i?#IHj=jt???7??TZCk???;b? ?J??%%????X?o???? ??:???????t???N}? ???q?s?(????Q?!S????#???W~?]?I??#??y??x???z?zh??????=??D?k?{h?/??]Y ? ??%`??ZC?(?NR??d?&?n?????????V.???F???`????%??Cy?*???5?V ?p? Za??? ?????.P?i?6N???k?GA?????O2FI?o???S?? *`?????/?@???s?J??t?Qv????0????!Q????``G ?&# ??)??M,?/????.?f?uHJ????Z5y???(M?4????$?????(?vfU???%?????p????9U ?p???Z??? ?z?x?jz[?F???3B"????????????wz?????yo??M;????r?V???%??RpG???W8_S?A[_VT8;&'?NC??yx??Wu?P???Ur???|???gd?????j??)?#??1?lc????~????p????k?Z~???oS i??UE???t\a!*M8c?TS?w?.?[?Z?nL??M!Mel????HY,I??????I???c?;??`?_???_?"????-?J?-EBl??W??T7*se?8>?>???kawIt!????12????$??m?N?S?V?7I??5O?H????t??& ??Y)?m???hQG??d?^???g??(?????????R?~??m?lf?????YzA?dg???>0K? n[??r6?\???TBI?:?py/?^Y?(HO?8\???{?1? F??? ??T?=???kN???,O????u?n?+ a?Zg????9?x ??|???-???????ws???V?@???P???*?????7] ^?d?:vN? ?$E?F?iQ??`?+????)4?w-????????X??2?VZ???~5?%-y[y?@?kC??!??(???7H?????b?l???N? ???*???zu???k$R??*{???t??u??????rk?Q?'E?*?A??5???"?9Y?? ???j???P ?Y??OLr0M?? KI?|?m????;???x@???c??h?6?9?p1v??_Q*?U????w`P???????????A?|???_???_PK ??P?????? ?=?U??Xf??\r?d?TV$|?????#=?s??D?B??U???2Q????&???c?s?\G at J??????4?U?>??r????Kn?5GH?#y_`?LF,??5?/k??%??????z?3??F\?fw"???dKL*?>???s 4? ?E??>???Y"??V?(>%??~????{?2?T? ?!ik???ZfP(???$???m?c'?T???????4? ?V?Q???x?????2sm?2?O??@a?& (8K??m????97 ?T?5}?????@f??N???%$???tCF??nA? ?'??W??j8??X?Z%?????J?$?[W?x?}?Ix?????}????V?DM3s?1?;**-?X.??h?p^o?w?}T?? ???7???F?T/W??}[???? !9??"??????r?? ????iG)????@????J???aq`?2i^??C?&$N?j?|A????'??~?MjR6R"qza ???M? /k?????????w*4??A??Z?t?H??M?~;?>o '?W?C???5_?|8??????E??V?z?????-?.??+??????? G??????=?H??O????????7?y?????1v?d?G???9?????3???M????>U?x???J?2y?????T??????V??n>J?Z`???`w@?????;G??????????oWz???UI??$????c?????]^????????????.??_??c????u*?o"?'???? ?H]??$,9?)Y]1#?6??43????J? ????e%???f[?@z??? ?aNGAhf:?N??( ??x6??D???_"W?"??F???=Y???=`?????5?????p?n? ???????6?sBm???y??/?????? ???`?%E$?Fy:???R??m4?{=?X?F??,?W???%CK%?(????"^*G ^.e?.?V?L-??^ ??$??tO?t?XV?????,???v?? m0????7?_?b??w???`a???Fo??>??l????m??c??? kA;?????l??';;B?!]???qM?n7|s}??8^;R@??????\d j? ?????Q??(S?? (? ?0???*??m???????P?;'???V????h??_???9L?Z?Qk+=? ? ????5?'?m???u`=?Q? ?$?1?p???d?1$}?^@??Q?$#r?x???o???^????|??b ???2e??????*V*???>????#???n,S?x(B?[?I?}'?'m??? d???;??hXV????$p??xx?D?  ????M?? n?p? :?0???go ??B??????VT ?b???1?z9??p?.????d}6?.????Q?6?????v???????=\?? g~?2?????F?^? tXN v/`????6?????4?J1h??QXU?s'?%???nx}??'T?a?o?J??.??V??????(?q??@0 :??? =c?)&k???????pU?V??9} G$???G?tV?W=????????[???????P?c????}+?>?? ???w'??ZO????E?a????~????^???E;??m3?????!;??0?,?P at Q???? ??+?? ?W?K??ps????y????wM?M??^????C=???>???????O????]??;~??M?)??????^?Z??z?????[??F????PK ?]Y?? F [???|3?q??V?V?G?J??j?8??kG??N?f??n?h???????Y??7??????? 7{??z??????????'S^?q)a???g?u??o?_o~??$??????=?g{?????M!>??9?%3g???????n?T)??n??:Y?????RZ#VI?mF??? E?=_ /???g?s??N?o???p(6???????V?H???F;???n?P?O????oI?$&?B?(s???e?J:??x?-?o3FJg?oO?s}??U???????E???=Dr?r????|Ez??9?J??,\OOO?1??57?Y???db??`?SW!??my3??xm%???^??X?Ws|? E?~N??,%???q??\X{+`O{8????? ??????2??d&??????Ci?@ys???G ??.[?W(E?6?b@?#?u??L??0Tv;??`???B ???%?y?RI'?=A???6Nl??r? VAj?5?m??:??C???)?@} *?S*?U??l?] A:?ul?):\RD???f??lL?`?? ??D1?y?.;?^A-o ?-? ???????+??=??Re??I |?B:??r ?????&Z9f??C?#?[??)mR?'?K?kP???d)K?M?u?v?3?c??R6$?????W???/6:?????R???????Q ??????d????P?s>W2??1H??fp/????????)?%iPd???@?? ? ??????? ??8l?B?????o?u!?G??:b?F?@o???k?{??H(?>???H??z??8kq???o?*(w?v?? Bcm|"W?r?-:????I???wG??B?2?`???pSwv?s^/A?N?Z?X??4G??????q?U????U|CdSH?t?+b?O?q??????F??@?^A0R)D??;???|???.z???????PK ??K?*???j?*c?F{?>?????hG?x??!?'(*n????49c???W??W??h??N????Qf?p!?2?d?.L?? ??2??F??=???PS ???j??t?X??6$!?????#?M???k??O}?k?$?G???= ??H???,?????????? ???(c3????L ???????A ??w#??N?????htv???? R??;GV?U?AS???Z _e?x4???k?Kn7??+Y????|?+?;?j?3?&?????< k^??*??m??!???@?!)?????:?@RS?!?'??????w??$???=?????zVI{?aUO?~)??+:? a?)h?;?V??Gt ?c)Z??l?.3?:?r?@?0??[?dL????>????7???T????L?| ?8z????D?}Dt6x??????4\?i?kB?M;??J:05?m ?|??fG*8?>A?~x???R }Z?zK?F??M???S???Qh?I?+$??f???S??"??????T?nM ?J????q??mruG??j?&:7??=1V???t????o ????k??Y%????_Xu#o??>???p?}??_,??VA?^?e???o????i.???Q?PK f? c7d#?Bs??" ???q?\?Q????????a??P??3 ?M@ ????z?A?m???;9q?8????????B?? Lm(dd???? ?????p5?dw?? ???A???????w???????4?IWzh?N%?]??5Zk?s?--1????a?????|???"C?/?Q??+r1%G"JRX?G ?????g??????? ?i??G=>????{$A?%?E?h???k???+-f?U????*?p?!?\??????? ????|?z1????I?7????P?,td????w,?z"??gVgR??????????]?gcH?~????? IH????????33??K?0/???DDyL.?^ &w???i???\(eP?U???1P???TD;???))u?#???????| 6?{Wu?EbrJ1B%???8h??N???r?- ?4IX??C???????Z(?qE???}d?`WD?h? ^&|\???zIC:N*tdud? m???,X??yZ??(??nZ????X??~?]V?^???s?w?A,?A????`-?V?2?E!?}S2t???dP?????.b????$?)?~E??????1?>??L?W??&?o?Z*?+QE4Ni??d????U?????V??h.^???mk?gu?2????????A?????e^a???Y????????l?_??h ?:?T lCBH[R?vg??e???gx?o??[????T?T??7??????3aZ?/Kyf8??? L?????:?? ?$???cI??[?a7 at FR??6P?,@?']6Z?v????j? ????X+N?`???1i??7 a_??D???K????d?????5?*?z?x?Y6?????? z?H??'?)?_9B??o??j?w4_Uy???&_"Z?vP?%"%??/?QK?????y?g ?.?"X????9?`wejW?/?K?^?o???PK ??u??j?&&o??L??|W3i???????????0_?? ??? ???????[M???T S????d?P? ?f?>???Z)?FA?U?Wlaz??p{??Sf?J_Bc???O?NCHL??$????????~?a?y?sn??F?{o1u??z?yQ1? +??3e???4?{?N?W?j??v????T ?c?-?E?:??d-hzI??????t??W???:??.3??TPc0 t??0??M????g????b??T????? /ZR? t?)LMeL??h??2? d?N)|??!>???A?< ?[?M??\2DU?$?G?R4???5?p E???g#?=?=??A?????8+?K??S???:?mV??0N???oZD?R?B ?,b?dpqv???d5-?Zn?{???w,??(?G?V?$?3????? j?M?gm?e?"?gQ????$????J?u?6?6>?T?6?? K???2??i??/?EXe?y/?????.3??M?]%=I?s?Dk?N a's_Q???"pm] ?O? ??e????|E?Q?:?N????e?'??DaW)=l?H?| ?d=????Q"??? ??????? Vs??\6G??????`?a[???.??kb_M1???i?,:??!??J?ed????%W?2?P?>?@???r?/?? ????Q?????Q-'?OMN?L;?????I?U???,??Z?hI?Vb??o%?h??|?pw?aK??:??j???`W? ?@?????\%?j???@(T???@%?DE?$U???Jjjc?iPX?Bg?L+evR???cD\=;Vr???}A@ ?k?IG?yk?cL?j?a]?0?S]?|?Ev?i??z?u`?*?? ?`??j?L??V?I*Gn?ID%YJ?'???E?R????t:?H??jzm,?5?????=2 ?Z??Q Z???zy?X`??{C8T?K2'???Ro?????,?,????]5?5???{???\Ko?tR?cr}?:?o??J?*Tr????If??n??] ?? {?_-:Uk ??QK%I<;I ??? ?m?g?????>W?V?=PM? ?pJG?1E???z?????{?jsE??E??9????YW??????SZ? B??@????????oBC(d?????? ?t[5????X?A?cG??A??.????d???~?1????a8H!?54?Q}?O?J|n?!5???? ??.?'N??????:???? ??%???p;f???k%v?????6?#?a?s?????l???0? @???wT?F?????F>?OjQ0e?[g??u?????L??|??Fn???YU? b??_#??pp???Y?`??u?Wx??e??1???G?}????`?????G?p,$jE?????? k??*????z?N%iFXN??TK?K?????????????E:Iv????????O???E?8??c ?v?Fpz??????H??q?j]F8??? s{????D????)?8??U??-?RG?V????????? ???=?[k+??o?[#??39m^?a??9?;??1A[dE??E??/?C&?NB4????Ve,r???:?2??{b?,??D?)????{L??C??P|???????-(MV??????.???/s??? ??w}?:?? c????w?\??k??W?b???d???&???h8z?????NY?? ?I??t??xO????y?=M??@??D?\.,?NxZ~??ZS?%-a??8????k?4???6Im??%a???B???wR??v??v:????Hl+??????? W|U??f???{??_??+?G???/v?^j?W???$??????/?w??*?]?????E?PK ??Z,???????*?X?????????Y?sm?&???bXa ?\?'????j?r??b???RY`???P?w?vor`?KcyQp+????q!??P$???L`#?k?'?2?y?1??????B?? As?tG?w*?A????5??????(??I|m???+dO1??bI?$?r???zF??j?A??^ xV 9PM6}??????O/????e?~^???l?h?\??`?@tt?@???G?gy????-?(m?#D?/Z??;?ymU????E??(????-?Q???U???=???VZ,?Vl!,x!?)?'???kz?n?[????l?f?TJ'?c.,?5?N? ?>D??&?7#?\]El??OG??????{?????7??$???c@?2?'??h?????,?^%? _??7??@O????T\&?????_)?-???M?O?K{)??5??^ALs?w?|= ???<Zz? ]?? ???\)a`?p?H"?????????S???W~?{?i@??n(?? 6S6???:>?_??x???~???s?V,?9? {?Vw??*?#??a? +? kH"? ??Y? ????B?_T?J?b??T?W8?[?h?? @ ????3??s?u- ?a?bZH ?F??u??1!?td?&?\~t?b?q???E}8?zz?F?????0??W3?q?]?Lil?h???z? v+?s-t??vS???M?9*c7`?~0Q??k????? ????*,?M?%%?????A??f:M?x????$W ??qEk]?{]?????o!c??=?'?lc.3??????L?:??K?c????^ ??r&fo5?????l?9 y/???M?xB???????.??y/???V???X?????K???6tp??0?+?1?~?#??p?re?@?=y5?????ZU?6?Q???L?N?+}?T???p ???v?A????????r?k=???n??}?z????^sY??>????|??????E??????????we??6?I_?yv??.?PK ??e?j/?v?Y?t4WR??j?8?S??B???V????|?9?0+?rz? ????+???????/M?k?????j/??_??~?dz?????^???????PKf.??` ????X?'/?????PPSwR?r???*?=??S?k/?? "u{? ?PVm????tO????m???b!??] ??^1>???e?B#?=?k???J8?DF~?lJ??)??[????C???wV???|?'J?????LLL???_?K?6?%Q????wl???2v?lK?G?"Y*?0R?H?r?????m??????g? ????? ?"?? ?ic??R ???/????&?5U??n????j???`??/:?j????m?o@Hk?+?2??m?#?l8#?D% O:9?Y&?[ XU??=?4????j(??9j???????? ?~??6??c`?~_?[$??E??P?B6???r6????c???"z???^r?jhLR?9~?g???1? T???li|?0???)?)<2??Y?????t????R?\?Q??f???j ?~k??0?U?y??o????F!?OG?5+?+??(?<? ???????x[?s???????.????/X?Y?j??"?_ ?Qd?J@?J"?????g??A%?]_q?5?<+2???m??K?? ??u????????13a???eze?k??O=????|V???/?@???????4P?X ???=bM?u?E?Q?G?pht????????I??H????Q,?gOBzHa???????P ??????Po?E2?? Y????i?W??????????TM??lL ?'G?fW????]?U>??????g?? e?8??U?5ti?EX-??%???z05 OTSn?B???????72?????????0 ????j???$h1?????6??????? (??? z?[??b+a0??????)0J??a?9??-E?)*0U?J????????F????U?9h???F????i?jLt????_??n/^<9{???X?>??{????8?????I.?????????????8;J?S???@????b?? ?Txw??????j\?@ $>N?P???????????>???????c?????B?F????rc?2?? ??????6?}?}mw ?q????q????S?/??O_????e?l0??U???\-?G??CZ?G.T9>L???2 pD?#?Z?1?????B@?v?(??!?s??6dP9?n?! ??U? \J?F????)?? Q?????`??k?*??e???L????????$Vv???>?Z,?rz?????}|T?A?????lZmWwe? a???+w?g?H?????C???\?o???e"{?`??oet?8{%???l?~}?}????o?6~w???? ??k?Q?? R?b???=4O%1??N?Y??Y???(Z?8?X?$?p?H?|??/Wl?7L??`?TO??6?? ??2???8`?' ?"??;??MCf??T?d?peW?X? cz?????N?uW????2?iD??D???"?3M?S?Q?&?l??.??8?'*????`AO?????????h??O?r?^4z?#?b??l??`cRW{#?RXiPZ??v??????$Ny??~??6???v^?????[? Da??3A??M?#;??? ??? ?????u???e?*?M)??????y?p?^?Id?eD??Op??@z^K??A?4%??I?????J??$`gBD????w??\lE?[???UW??????D????^??m??.??B?I?#?V?/?I?_=?1?9???ac?U?_R?R?)j??1j??B?DA?e)? ??????!J?U?>??? ??????????%?.??T???B4I??4?;?u???d$??5?G\?r?o??}??????????????e?N?K??yA?Km. ?D?Dy?YEJ?xT$#-?Fa?y@?k????5?? ?%l ?W????? %M?i?P ??@???K???????\o ?}FH??bh"I $Y??{????^???D{?r????????6??I?a{r=Z???3?????????5???2Pb88k'?????_?7?O?p?:????z??k?!???kn???G??q?L#????1???X???????G?????{W?9??iJ???qb???F?Xg;L?%'?l?nJ????je??1??????rWBB?;????8??^?>w:Tn3????H????-?7??/???o??? PK ?????gh?}2??=n??i???ac"?(3g?j??0x?F??kY?hm{?Rd?`?????*Q Q?????? ?=N"?4 ???/??!?u?? ??2?j??!?ttB???PB??>??d?+???L????????????y?17????????x?Q:SXs?M?%f??q\?A?J?j???T[X??Q???^?@??"g ???H??o&???`???Og?????d%7P*?=9?7?]?_?P?? "g?&?o?u?p???????vg?+?AP *o???Ib????j2?yc3???E?G??N#g?p" ^??? I??B5T ?$?&))\o???n?3?I??=????????}??\W0?t??p??????m??F???????????? .i???????c??bwt>?E?[????:?ckh???Yr??.????2F??>?s)7g???QQj?7?;L????s?i??x{W????[??i??[;??:?"??P?I? ?Ce??2??+X??????Ec?7n??AE???yJZ?-.5?RDU}???6U??3%t??k??(?????Y?? ??6N????x8???[n`??T)????9???;??K?g?$?V????\??5??????p???a?b}?{??.in?@????~^??4g_?i?????9D_p(?l??>????KF??{??[?? ??7??;V??4x?C???:?"??a?U?8?'??"]?PK )H%)HUx ??$?I?lbK$???>}>L?,=?&J????R??,???J? NM^??s/~?????N|}1z?j??v?>?L??EdRc??D????:?R?Yy4??s????????????=r???a?D?J??)????tfq|?6E:*???s??X5??}????B;??.??4p?X E?]i??*?P?<+2??J??v?Cl?*CD????{l?????i?rq]?R?????yy? ?*K?./F????|%R? ??:w[;^_ i?@???J1S?Y????????? ?T?? H7????I??O ??W-??????e?????{???K????__&7?????n??J|???*?\}??M.&?g???L???????????x?????b?4???L3 ?-??? B.:??????ebRE1??(?-?? ?3S??2Q$+?}SzE?**??u4??A?*???D?? *RJ?Ss'Q ?!?%?B/??Y????j???V?Z??9?#?bo????3???*l>[??*c??~?^A?Am?}+?/R?b???~/??1?&(??????????6r?< ?K?-???f?(?I)??}?SZ~\)iZ?i????)?X9?????F???6#?k??Nq7?&OW?U????61G???5? !?>;j???~?c?-.?=z?~ue(8??????q?|?:?3 ??9?9??_'?#qjp??({??????@?M?A]q?s 4?o ?F????QI??I??B??F?KdJ35???.?b?r0 ?? ???0??p???????????g???\L/???????|?f_4:_4l_SMQ???%???4????.!?v??X}+??&???????.?????ba!b?U?H?$?F?mxM?;Z?? a??k?xU?p?(?*?D?;@-'???v?f&??Vep????? ;?Wh ?o???????????l??w ?R Z?2 T????? ??/Gw?????];??e8lqhv???7?k?F??6??gW?? ???m]????<.?J:?-x>?+??-(^?w?d^??????5??*?_;.H?vO.uF:?/W?EK?$E??5??$-q\??5?AZ?W?{Q???V?=?EhTiZ)??u*?k?B B?/??W??Y?`Y?&???T??`???????rY? ?%tvV'?G???BM??2??o?? ?] {?>?Bo????????9??zC?_????rX?j8'DcWJS???d6?????)?o?? ?8E??aK ??VC?????y??)4??M??? ?(?a???lA#???P????E??{e????{??^????(??35v????o4? ???0???H???"?;JD????G"???J!Q?.?!50??H?D.??????#??[??4?=?OBH???? x??????,?Zcu??O??wC?V?1?? C???1????b??PK D??'/y??W As?????*^(u??8??h??Ly8=Ln??z0+d WSr??yr???_c_~?D 1P??(??u?cd?@)8:`??R????!???bVE?1????? ?X??SLh???0V??hz??V??i?Xt????j??#?LkX?Z"?R??1?+d??(AeA? Un?bU?Z?y???E=R??????e?????h?RV????3V?"???6OPO+A?ai????c!??????,? J?????X??????jA ???T?5??H9Zm?.of????U(?>????hV87?_d?o4??y2??kr*?????i+WI~??H?;?9 '??5?|???0??9????z %[*?:??A?h? ?P?a?????????????%???q ?l???{??-?pi?d ?(?=?4B??5?????bh? `9*?????[??a:?Z?X??8??L:??;a?$E?? ; ? ?GGd???-+i????p?????Xu????hUvt????o ??????|?BP?5??-?=E;/I&?|@'?????????1DF 89??B?f???!??$7K?r ?sC!??Zb??0?;? a?k????5p????|??V??? ?$????>???;????^j$??????\????A??ZZ??!??eg?5,?c!??Y?? ?e4???uni0]m *?m'o8?????i???Z?q????G? "~CC?w?5?Y???5?Y-Y????}?h*9????F-???<O`g??G???J)???pL??A?wt????zG?U?????7\???g?}??Z?kIZ??E???Q?JQ5?1??,???h8??;????| ???? ??????I??d?????Rv ?K?+?q???N?2??Z?????K^KeE?3??S?k7 7~?A?C ?T????T?t?6??Ty.? [??h??Y?????:???.g? ?t? s???????|??????W5?F???.?20]?p?'???E9?go?Nc[Q????2a/???FU?[sH?W)=?  M?l??~d`???f????*?o?3????$m?U?N???~?o????]L??K??|?'?e,??h???K???JR?N????P}??X|??&???~c???????Hf7??? ???????V?a?%J%WU?P???2?2[Q{?? ??W$;]????W?P??"??????iW?R(?= b??t ?????P?=?:#??~ ??? ?_?g??_??????i!~{?Oo=??h8x?? ?N?o;|o???U??+#?????_ ?W??,??!;?b??_????Snz???PK vQc??????T????0g??Z?wHN' ?????J?S?????6???~?kE??a??)?f?p???????/??o?t?5MuxgMe?y?0????~??t??B???%?U?`o? \?? ?[`????u???Y????0?y???sn? {??i??S???????Qb??Z??K????'?q?o? ?{Eh_???Z?,#?"?*)?T}C.??| ??????mM?????? ?XJ]1mF?9;??}??h?a4?6?>??Ub?a?c%\,???[????#H??T?\??i8???%????h>_?t?ShM?x?Jl?U%?Z?????]?g?RaW;??????????(j ]To@?}??'???*l+?a?7?? ?|??p??L??a??`Eg?V?F?e???(???d?woZ??}ep?l?? ?ee?I?D4?k?_?????? ????6 =Q?)?Pp???=\/G'????wh??? PK ??????1!mC??&??U?6?????????N????VH????9???k7a??Q*??????A?`?Y?u????Cr?XdPt???&q?{(wCv}u?1?2(?_?g?????? w%?BV??A?N?9?TI??*c>4 ?@ ??E?X???? ?????Q???>W????????Y???s??????????x?pswO+u???qoDef??Uo?L?T??M??Z?8?????&?K?)??!???6???}Ea:+I?\4RW?????Cp?p??????o? ??$?h S?p??????M?6NV??E?Da??6A?????q.??5?M:7e??0????????+^,D??=??sr?`??????C|8N??\C?????g?????&c|-?n?[ \?A>T?r????????r??( ?S?:$j? ?,r?P !?q?E??/????^???Nx~wK1??????Q???Z????e;? ???l?_PJ??Q??????I_?????{-_!P????|?+???zX??C?u????=H???{?R?7???Vg?egk?C0?Sn?3??p?????' ???!?mKC??l? ??R9?H?????h?iY??LL???z2?V9??q*1yi?T?(??b?^??????}?*%?S??)?????aa?2??.???? ???)?w? 6??JV?U???C??)(???N?:?????9?;?Y?SJQa?y1???*bWP?F?????%v0???+?????;????vua????? ??OY)?? {{QE?K????Z???0t?T?v?O?z?O????<[?7?d?????T_??????u????< ??r????J??'i??t?c,?c?~?c?????b??J?`???? ?1??????????a???? #??QL ?3S?? ?%U???????? ??F??mI????i?p??.???.?W?Vp%S*?b??????????6?`?d?(?c??L*?Z0H??n?=??V??`5S?H5 ??L???~Y^?r?????????????r? ??5J???G???x?4???S?. ??? l ?G?u???????????f??'?????,u?P?/?? z(U?????.??V??4:F?W??Lx&??n???M??%? ????F?V??d?=?m?4R???????E? D?"???T ???Z???U'??v ?F}$?5_??????F??? ??\?Dn?b?^??g ?T@??[Qgv??!]k#+?'????AD?w?A???>??$Gp???T6?h?r???S`$`?t~???A?t???k?W8c9??z???'??V???{?O???$K??p????????e??O???r(???K???V?ss????o?{????Y?z?? ?2&???"?y??F?????+?apY???+??[/?????nl$?a?Y?H?W????7k?w$???D???b??=?.FM]?d/??????S???[?C??e??z?C+?}?yT?:nc???- G,>tt??nX??b????????>?cXk_?GA???x_??x?lX.??X%??R?fK{?{0?4?d??,??D?????mE???r???[mX5??Bn1???a?E?]"?3?W??+z??????M .????uW?aY2?????P??!o?s]y?bW?D-?tnd??i??4Y?>?????d?????????3????L??q?? ????/`?K]??? ?f?.? ?tE??\*>?j????lJs! ?X*?N??$o?]5?@??dI&?X?R??E? ??1 &9?g?IG?w{???$ W???g{{/??v????_?8?Z??????3?? ??l????,?????1?z?@?r[?D?????F??ThTP????5K??F?Zu7)????t?? ,z?D?y??%????7?W?k???????(`?9^q?EUI??%??d????_????Qu@&?d?I????~????C???????hXF????jI??ynz??j +JHXF???1??4?VBE??.???b^?v?T*?@Ndj?3?E)xR????+{i? ???P?%????K*n?8?Z-?????f.???Z????CVTVM???UQ??S?VD0??"??8?',??y?????K ????W^a Lq?A??@????/?x?$])?OL???V;$H?$b?G?n??4?L? ???AyW?{??5 -?(?g?AN ?]{W?M??I?BX6?D??Ja?@???8t?&*h?,?????]#?i2%T?)?R???>??????_]??r:? ??(?kS?x?A??v?!1PM??? ? ?? Wg?WK???!???6=%x1?g?,?'?'(??Q??n?\fX?):?*???????B??nK?h??I*???66'F? $q;!?????T?u??F?{^:`A????6ax EC?g}?p?5?~?%??i? ?_hLSdC?n?}?PH? b8?{?%g? ?(@??a??[?hK?{gh iX??h6??`?"%??!???v:??.?`m0?S?7?7??_?0&"?~???p=??H?? &?N *lu?h??S?ro9?J?=[?????7? 0 M*l&????B?? W?<? ?? T y %??9??l?8?VU??c????B?/?`` ???Kv?$???.??? ??ai?:???s]??????p??? w???A ?e!?8???'??;0?????V?V??%c???X6??V?? $???X?:?52*b?Y????>s?N??s?x}qq?????jG?M6T????a??^l? .??b??6 !?G ? ?j9?YT???? y?????????????Q??`???Uf[%???K4?D?U??`??%MT7?O???;nQn?-??/h????}X?[X???cT?????q5`?^?z- F?U??m?K?Mw?iV?GR`?Z?I)?m?#?H?-???}???Tp5?v?uWO0(?-.???f??|? ?]??Q??????k??G??k???gm?WM?????4??????W??/???r??`?,?Y??AeC???????,??L`U?vL6??5=?????j????????L?v?????;Q??@U ?/?hKv8k???T??????B*?f?88?y.?>?6?i O??z????N?k????G`?P? v?W9?]???*S????????3/??0U??x ?u?? ??)??(??Y???F????Dh!7v ?mA}??3^&I?#? 9?? ???G?Z?]-?? ?&??????????`??%?4???-/'g ?????6??????????_??e????L ?#??:};??F\c??????.b$)?????Lp?XpU?????+???A ???{???*w?d'?8?"GX5???B?x?(?"?????W?lv?1?z????&?Fy ???F?T????;????-n~?#????V?????T?%?F?}?:??be?a??pQ?h??????{PX??6? u?h(?q?c& S?0??{??=S?j??@???6^??)????'???5|9 ??G?+?L??r??chc#??f\:&p??L)?????g8j?%-???T?D)????d?A??tF9?uvp? [??????e??????????g??}?kC I??:K??N???)}./X???????$ ?!??????m???}??3??6??-v]???????????yz]&.????7*??P?? (?E???_?? ?a??????`?Jj<????`!M r??.E?u?P? dd?qm?Qy????e????w?z? ???pF?Y??F?f3?a?'6?J?] |`?h?u$ o?????]?g????N?T$??y?pI???2???????at??\u.? ?e???Jaf?0???aOcwLJ??jSp?w???IPa)tM?? ??R??b ??i??(??>?????}Bj~?Y???"@??/7????????c?E???????M%?j??X?t?+?L?J?H?^'i4,_D?A???}NO#X??OG?????>?,?r??????i??+^?2??F_G`??bf?Fgl??M$??l?J?????4:hs?+'??{R)eF_?1G_E?`?h? ?9????9Z?@?t??7??q??? ???????2???QK???7???=???eg?YOy?2n"????V?(??4Z??A09O#????F???4????r?U???)???PH2sS??x??K ??q?????r?k8o?:;W@???C?ufFU?6????7??=e????????=?-$?????? ????r??]#=??/??;??? ???] I?)NMAL?!???h?????`?-?j?b???`?^;E???? ? ??A??%????;??<?6?[?5T?????5j?G???)+HN?sUlsE??E?U 2I%]R,?q?o"?|Wr?q?\[???Q?? a??P+"?i??w&`b??,???kJ|uY?????9??XqI???Xs??????????????<0??????~h????$pr?>?Qt???w?Zke??N?o=y??+r?z?z????,A?'x???,? +?~|?? Q=????c?}c??k?{???0?aO?y?????????"?S.o??#0:???\;????m????on???n??j?v!k/?k??? ?]??b ??]S???k?=?;K??!^oP??nU?k?=??D?S R???@\n???T??)? ^????????n? ???d?Z???d?Uw????}gmMe?$??????%Jlz???L??L)???aJz?4{}???y???;G?n??[???~???[???z_|???????Qy?+m?BU?????i???????S?W ?n??? ???E?X???\q??6`W:}????????k ?O??O?q???MX?2?SN?`N?k?~?? ?J??? ~?E????????Pq?? `U0??3??|?????%??KN?m????b?[???s&?v"?]???Z?w~?\ ?,g:[?l?j??4Z??I?h&Y????N?oF?s}?2????F?g??:???R???????p???f??Jd??F'?????,?YO?wl)??:&??(m??4:?????I{??B???4???A?3??&??w????Di6pG?dH[??4? ?irE?? +2??Q????MQ???}9?) v?????b?? ?F?j????O? ??8n1??-?qi??v?)? T ?i'C?z??????>x?K????N?N ?"??P???W??? > ?~R?? ?,?19?0? ??"2??2????w???F??P\?!^N?(??????<'??x[f?F??*V,?? i=?????B??k??T??Hb?@Z? !?s4?b?*????(??6???eI(?HE;??8pDdu???y? ??n? ???E?"?G?_?x~?????(.??f*k{l?1???,????VR??A??????{=ZMx???L|!k?F?k??ym?;????S:)????%???%?!?6$x? ?7?FQ????C(,Y??????J?Bc?x????o& ?Bfb?d??????p?&??\d??om}??????8:f3??&? ????@? S?h'd??[??S?#?G????Q?-k?l?V???? X?r?.8R3?Kr???,???,?+?n|?I???????:?u?)O??Z??????FC??!?????h??9????L???????Ju?? ??P?s?Vl??c??Y??%gv&??,P??????q?u.???????kI???? ??@???????Ys ? ?[?$Oq??i?V?????Y?c?}?o??;???????PK _%??? ?Lx??Y (?p#XzR??0???????g?6Db???7f ??8jNb??kPL$?6k?t?? ?Pl?K?IEfT? ???"???9??-y?('~(?B?>??<\*Y??,S|???8???r ?????C=T?k???V??B?r"*i8e???P? ; ?n???<'2[?"?RH?77?D??$XB??J???>~NOX??G????? ?y??PA?F8???a?Q?,???" ??@7eI?: ??????? *?M???&U9m9???@?f?<(R?R?8??: ?^?`Kc5 ?2??H??^ ?????? (????p!??L?T?+? oG0V??Y?2???[?2bH?@????????1??|??Z>cX?md ?u?2??5-?? *Q?1??h???Nw??;??-???X|?3?3XO????/"???????t[O???Y?????L&?1^@????w/??/T??? Ce???-9?m_?zj??c???T?^F[U7???6:?C>???#??v?)???};?+\?Xr????'?)'l* ??7\??sL??ZVy?Bb??R??8dp;??\??? ?y?!?d?C?J @]??t&1??y??H?$.???>?F?"?4?????|M?y]*???w?.\? U[??????????E???&?B9mS8???9F??? ????r? VB???*???C ?>?t????k?mJ??U??|S???.?? z??\??}?~?Lvw??u??+ 9?Gmn????:???B?l?r,>P?t4:??Y??w;&,?g??u????8O)???????A??=??"?>e????rE??t??n?????F??0I?d?)?M????T`??U????l s?;????'Y??????~??"???vT??O?-?<{??? ? E#?????s?ya?29??g??????f*~j?z?V????l???ZDV/O&?????{?????R???w~???#T???????????????aa??S???o??_??=?}??[?u?????Sx?????G? '?1?????a????h-?mH?g N???/?6??9???P*vc&o }{?26????????KN:?s?u???7PK ?W at Y?@;??2???6???w????k?q?@????#~??rQ*?d ?????w????_ *???l??,l ?Y???4r+a$??6Q??ud.I?c??T????????`Zv0??a at 0G?Y|??B??6:??r?_?? X??????Ou|%T@?????@?k?`X?sl_?o?k V??-????F?P?5E?????+?????%7\? ?????3??K??r?a(?g???L???7???d]????K1?N???,km`A???X88?????:J#??l??`D)0???`??? ?1$+P???%?1?????????fD???i/GV,.????c??8?|?#?B??Tw^?A4????,?????????IRuc Saan?E?:F($?1,?g?????9?*q??? ?N??&>]]?m??/{,?>????6%??t??? -??%S???).OZ??}?M 8?3&?egMs p??u?d?3O?6??}????lH;?`eq??o?n\??????t?=?:?????????o;??X????b???>;????????s ???-}??? ?kf??.W?s??LX??$?u?]&x|d???FwA??{^klW?\B??~?O^?K???zO%_*???????~?%?? ???+????'?7?_]??e?>F n?????i|d&!#????PK ??2e?m%? ?1? .S??B???2pD%2??=k?kz\?B??6;d_????+x??[h ?&O??)?????Y? ??x????????~?sEK??Nh?[Q??mz??9???p?uZ??????`?\???A?`?s?;Dl ??5??0?`?]???P??=$?9:p????? C?\7[#??^????K???q?9????????C??&???????&e?J8R?O???+?h????????:??;?L?3???Y?5??hS W??p2???m???m?.?Z?]?w6?l?*??? W); ?J?????????*???P?R?D??G???t?0??h? ???J???ffc??\??&???????l???@?!r]???=?I?e?JO? 2?b0???)?Q??y?Q? ?*S?jt5?Km?U?KR?/?t??2?[????sXhW1YP???_??j?uLw?>W?`h'???n%???G??C"H???????i\?dg?@??F[??????P??*?+ ?"W???o/'?qC??_??| ??oZ?-???_??n?????V??j?nZ?? ? ??2????]?B??(f???l???R?+h????8???;K????????h???? ?b? ~D)nMz??Q_L??\??i(??GPi??Kz t ^xD,(?!\?5??8n???O?XQ????o?-? ????????#)V=???$????S ????9L??^@|J?H??:??$??t';}??}??J????G1U??#??? - ?q??n`????7?2/???R??3?????67???"{?m???w7hfw 2????y?????-?5?}z??lq?? /1{?:9N?n?p[??E?du)$?????Z u e???Kt5?gP[,SVb?-Or?x?? ?I??\?B???n?u???????G????"y?29bbs;????$l???);?L?8W4UJ??V?s+ ??f@??E)?????]??G{wK???= ????9???????Z????????^?e?+?*???\x]?T??b???~??? ?J9??s?\??U=?J??Xq??9.??s??a.?h?Z?z??b?*?R???j?Ie??)?H?_3AS???~??l??????????d!??K?m?oC?.?o$?N????V?3pm?p?O????+?d????&]Ig?J?????r?Y????????G1?= a{?e?<????5???g?H#?%??n)NH$?C????>%???)~]?C?C?)eA0??AO?K?2?>?L|? ???0??bsU? ????A)?? ?H=?s???f?T?p???DnOa?}?@1?????f?Q?Q?>?&;????FX% !?1R?Q5D?y?U?]?o ?H?Dy????,?B8#???[D????'o?;{?????V?F?N?I??F?0b?h Uj?t??????7,??_???=nQj?? (????S?? ?FL ???????m=`I??#8??) ?? 4? ?F??p??E%??z??c?PN?{ 9?l??????r??m?%9??????e?g?%1?zif?????,u?!j? ?Da???!8???????7(??TE9 e^UJ?y???ZSj?C??j\?CV?J(???CNt?H?SU?(????2T??Y????@b^??? ?b/???dt??flr?? ?????V-?Q??*y%?[??Es>??]7??y?l5????? ? Y?[?[L??Xv??3K~L??????????^?Q??\k????V?=??;????m????G???LX/E? ? ??Z???? ?-??zc?v?f-??]uh?????G?c?}z?MZ??%g???7????? ???n??????????|3.??~?-?PK ???v?4???;??????????7?2r?x? 3d??T????-?#?N?? ?#?L???lYPT 8?????K8????Q? y???tv?f??O??V???2I?HU ?z??Z|?*?]?cZ????&??ZG'jwU???:f| ? M*r???a??:?>?m??^????}?/???~wX?i6?].>D??p:??5J??X?_??NuFh??????{A?????????? 0,?L?? ?VQ??B???Ifm?\???w?m?+<^?Z???9y???Z????????j??{2????Ir`???YY??vB??,?9O.?'????T)????o[???????d???qk??Ceg%o?0?P??? ??5C=??N?????????B ????fk???)W?X?%W?v2c?????????oI?4q??-[,3???' 2?z?,?V #????????H?:?~~z|??4a|?*s?f???"|?&;?x???l#sW??'???J?m?????Ob?????s??N?P??U???????????;??C??m??????????ne?L????:??? p? ?VD??iy?Z]W?I?zvN???z? pd??;?L?l3??^??????h??u0???5???]?1?>???2VK?iW?p??I??KR? ??R?=' X?Z?5????#? ?,dF-?+?R??9N=w,??????J??3?6| {-6,l??4t\?-R?M???5?????GL????xw???(K??J?4?? 1??e?(?????lv#????CD?^???W????g~?bc ????????7?_???n?cW>?M?Fo? r8 ?u? *Iv??W?%+TI?4?W??L?l?L???8???f???$????~?U??w???z?m? 3~?o??'???k???P?]?:????ER?h??d?J#OCX??[y?p???D?6?~?EoZ?????b?q?b"U??pq?? ?/? ??$?~???????Xhq?UoP?m?? ??O???m????U =?9?( ?r7??;NF+?{F6+?DU??v????!S?^?_????[????BfSZ?:??!?=??? ???:?e??F?9?)?L? ???k8?;:?{L??Rh?JB?_$a???] W?p ??(a??N 0?-???`9??C??(^&(QWJ?t<-???J?8=L/p??ib???????7?????FO?z???????????/]>???u??~??c???L'???h;?? ?? ???Y++?=???]?G&d?*??|???K??4????PK ???s???F?}??Y?v?+??`Q???B'=aqU?????r??'{k??? j??{$????7f ,>?? ??o??7?? ????'Z?k?O??6?,?<*?o?G???5?????R??x?6????? S?1?[?[?????b6??_>?o-nN'z???)^???e:#????D???B{?}??2|A??????I?L3?L???O?J' ???????j??!L?u? P?`?????l*??-?NHOf .(?R?j? ???)??s?a|5?N?f ?x? k??Jq???|x?F???B???????N?d?????}???V6}??6?2???\?u?^G???*r`Xsf)???G?G}q4 ? W>?r?U????d?gy??!??/?'D?T?G???d????>??k$U???????Mq}(????????6N??*H??s? ur?x??h??7d??yx???<%94????oaIE?@?1??U?????????}???m9???!?C?????um)b`V? ???kph??8??????b`?v?f0n??BV?????.??R?~????tr?yO?,s???M???y6?? ?-???\????5bp ?i??'?)W ???B????y???"????1?#ma2?&??,?Q?H?? ??Y2?!A??"????0???Iq?K??~P??C??s?F????wTR8j??lLCM???7???~FE"z??P??/wJ?U???7???=U???P(???4>?@???? ?????q ???A?????,???|???P??v8?0v_?u?5\?0~?X ???P?x????Y??P?a???j??@"*??1??q ?2????]?? ?C???R?pY7?Up?@???????:7Z5?@h????G .??eR)a? ????C???f>???% ??"X??}? ? L????@p???v?%f??5v1?B?Cd!B&-???Q??@z???ti*G ?????(?)y#????I3`>-wjQ'?:Q)-d?????e?d? ?8o?^??6NO??? ?A???^?b?h?7}pe??_???Cn?S?7y??Io????e???????PP_?N??}:M?v???>]??????? ???,????TZ??)???c?a?x?a??????^?(o??:?'??)??C??,1aRy8wUE????KC5z? ?A????{t???p????p?.?=W??8?Q???.???(\Uvq??|k??????p\??s0?????e???O??o??z ?E?]n???~???W?w?n?JKN??B?? 'i??I???Q<-???tY????G?????fHW???[???1???????3??g;??{(o???????? ????s???? ??7b?????????????o???L6????????w?V?|7?????PK ?d ?*f bdo??f+???|{7???i)?5?T&????LAd#VhZ$??r??03&b?4???j?+,/I??V???? v\?o?Ol?m??????G??\o? ????? ???$:?????G??e??P??_????Vu+%+?9-??pYtN???????|???>h]U}%??u???xMZ,68W? ?W0C??v ??m???jG?R????k??%U??@????????]B 9rv4bKZX??3?!???`Z?)?/`?t???;?pA?????????d???{???????I????;hl Ayp\??o?????g +?\&??j? o??d.n????Y???K??????C6??G?#??9??MGu???S?]|?????)vY??Q?W(? ??????Y@???q???`?L???)sy????#?%eJ????x?PMM??|? ???7??\1?i?b?cB?#(??{W????dJ?[?dn? ????S??i???^??c]????Y?=??+ ?xTL?B[Ai???A[=?:?~[??6Q????t ?LU???????2 ?K????A??F?????C6G??*=? /?g?E??9??kpA??F??px??l.?PF?\X?4u??????@?????T?^??0??????????l?3????T;?????w?H?j?????O????T??^T?WH?=???????r???W??jKCws???PK ?x2}z?;?????>?_wli1~?????????O?yT??????7Re???&2{`?HF?6?D?X???Q0?*x/?:`N???{?o?S\??L??*jn^??{????????i???????w??????2??S?V?i??Qpm=a??&??$??`??2MCe?%????Wvt?-?Y?#????L?x$???A? ??X?cX?a???f???dgm?XiCm??????[?i T????xi%?????$SF?????i??d?]2???7Q??Mf?JT1 ciPr??Q0Ix?0?t?????6???''?????}????? ???s?G?F?$?QF&?NN~0]?)/?????KK??b<41*+?9?F???m?O!*??U?? g???S??L??????0Z?8?U ?[??????a?)|?S\???|??????????/??r@?h????-?o?M(c?!)???.t?/?f?@d??w???f.????ZNmA?|?2???O|??\j???????=??m??`&????"cF???F???tC0?%dF35e U???5???????~????g%?????"3????3I??o ?e ????z?????Y???#{>??4??)?????? ?YcC??C????_?}};??t???Z?92B?f?'??2 =?-?P???? 7???F???-?)4?4??_?F ??j!??cq?/X$??LL? ??sc0]-?Z?T?S??e?`S?4/q??,Z????_J-?dZ?*C{wqv2?p?????`?|??c?9q???^%?U6U?(?????????Rv???cl??????bPU????1k??c??????|??+?P25??z??5V??B`V?N]??D??????x?V. ?+ ?? A??#?N?HQ3baRF?5{-?v???'| V8?(?p?0dT????G?????y? Xz?????s?Ph??7?f2? D_??\W?'-2?HjK?6?Y_f?^X5?3??T?,????????*+?F?t&I L?Kv?{.????f?????p?]'96??? n???y/?f???6?z?w?Y?tO^??j?E??$%?Y31U!??kY??/?@?d??l~?D??)??*Un??`?)?S????/?m???e??x? .?B?????????{;?????[;? ????y?G)???????\d?|????Y2?{6??f??x ?,n &"e??^?f? ?i(???Co?M ?6?Z*?????? ?K#i??[KFem???????*?$?:?{+?:?Lx????????`?3?t???????=_?_?G??xd?3DFSvs??9? ???N?DM%???l???^?A??R(Lg?b??N F?%????v?!-???&?m?????&????IiL? ?Dr?z??d}=??r%@??p {?D?`?f?5[?r??VCGE?jZ?/?[???Y L? *R=???oWN)???????????ef?9!y?????b??t??? ??}I??E??w/?????aA?n? Q;6?nN?O7??XG?k?????????? ?Id??d[0?? ??$Zr???Sk#r0?Y??=K%*??Y?N?r?u K????-????~????????l?J???????f?&??.???pR+z????@M?-Pj??'-F?].U>?Ez-r?C??0? ?????[>?W?bo?h???@VF?p?d?Ct?????????+????7F???T??sQ*?d?#]?C???!? O=??????6??S]j?D?B:??Oz-J??7?D?M?9??h?]???L?G$???????~????&?X?Lk??.N&?Gd??f?D??J?mvv6???(???B%?Q???_???k??b?/???+? z?L?K? i??^3??O????t,f?n`?D; ?;z?aY? ?6?~???zB???!Y??^G??z??&\!'???m??^??$b5??G$??????t?Z??h?ow_????cY)g-??o? ?0?VQ?32;9~v?? ?Rj`c????M?? ????$B????????$>??%u?B#?7a????6??$??*???uv%u?)?o? 5?E;?o???????I???it~??'?-?k!?z[??I?(??#YyI{??Z??J{1H?c4;a??????y at p?_?$?"??Ey?=?X?c??e??Lf'??C??? %*?}c?dt?tu0????(?~ ?p?-?(~??@???r???,????&??fe?y;???m?h??B???m?. i;g[?b?J?^a?B?[>z^ m??6?1?"????^:?4Sw:!A}B` ?h??b?X?k???F? ??h???? ?? ? ????????V????k@?ucP?J:??\1??~~?cL? ???I???? ??!,??pp???6}F??G2???l<^????a????c?1?L????s^?????n?4!")s???WcK??????"????Q????nv&?x??C?O??]?]?}?'???(?v? s?G??]w????k??wJ S??D??0?%????w?'?9?_???3?UW?/?c?1?f??c??A???_??Cxu?PK ??o^n??????4[?V??V?'?\?J)??TcK??!?OjKpi?--W???]$?Ry'?,+?]%?F??N???EB?x??????EBb???ZSV ? ?f;??J?J?F????''_&???v?H^??ZuY?`??/Qh?k?^$??? ?2????????G?[>c????gK?D?I??$?4wD?o??|&????!??? ?98?b?}?????6:?V????"?z????????#???x/([?:?_ ???@??@????=fF?@???tC?l_ai???r??U?:?0??-?Fm?H???-?D??57??Mx??(?hP??????2?s?~?,?[??n???P?h?P?f-??b w?"?? 0,?N???@s???ue2V???{?????>%_v?c?==???\,?v?r??mf???7x??BWtM,???Q?W????CT(tK?????Px{?;s????R??6??U?X????_??&m r9??C?p@T????? /{?'?Jy??%???????$b???"q??}???v?L??\?u????=???G_???????$???D`G_d????za?kX?6?[?~lRa ??/???j?m???????:?^@???~????y?^v?(?.??????k????T^7?@?C??????D??????? u*??????i??i'??>??z????????O???e?Q~????c??o&????vy????ht??q? 5????>a?u?????T??{?PK V %?? ?Q? )HUx )HUx ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'generated-index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice-opl.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-about-document.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-automating-installation.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-boot-modes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-booting-from-pxe.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-bootloader-advanced.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-bootloader-others.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-bootloader-password.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-bootoptions-hardware.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-cannot-download.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-cobbler-import.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-cobbler-mirror.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-cobbler-setup-distro.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-community.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-disk-changes.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-disk-druid.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-expert-download.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-expert-install.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-expert-post-install.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-expert-prepare.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-feedback.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-finishing-upgrade.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-firstboot-datetime.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-firstboot-systemuser.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-general-disk-setup.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-graphics-problem.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-hostname.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-install-diff-source.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-install-tcpip-config.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-installer-keyboard.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-installing-from-harddrive.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-making-media.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-medialess-booting.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-medialess-editing-grub-conf.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-network-misc-settings.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-news-subscriptions.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-nfs-install-settings.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-package-selection.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-partitioning-advice.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-partitioning-general.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-partitioning-lvm.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-raid-config.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-remote-logging.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-remoteaccess-installation.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-smolt.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-start-installation.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-understanding-encryption.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-upgrade-tree.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-upgrading-bootloader.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-url-install-settings.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-utc.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-verifying-media.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-web-help.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-which-arch.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn-which-files.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue May 13 05:07:55 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 05:07:55 GMT Subject: web/html/docs index.php,1.47,1.48 Message-ID: <200805130507.m4D57t2M010804@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv10624 Modified Files: index.php Log Message: Add the Installation Guide en_US for Fedora 9 Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.47 retrieving revision 1.48 diff -u -r1.47 -r1.48 --- index.php 3 Mar 2008 18:16:36 -0000 1.47 +++ index.php 13 May 2008 05:07:25 -0000 1.48 @@ -36,6 +36,7 @@ Common Bugs + Fedora 9 Common Bugs
Fedora 8 Common Bugs
Fedora 7 Common Bugs
From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Tue May 13 05:07:55 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 05:07:55 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/install-guide index.php,1.5,1.6 Message-ID: <200805130507.m4D57tQl010807@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv10624/install-guide Modified Files: index.php Log Message: Add the Installation Guide en_US for Fedora 9 Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/install-guide/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.5 retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.5 -r1.6 --- index.php 8 Dec 2007 04:18:51 -0000 1.5 +++ index.php 13 May 2008 05:07:25 -0000 1.6 @@ -13,6 +13,7 @@

Current Releases

+

Fedora 9

Fedora 8

Fedora 7

From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue May 13 20:09:16 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:09:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New Wiki Message-ID: The new wiki is coming soon. Like next two weeks soon. here's the current look and feel: https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page mizmo and ianweller have worked on the theme. If you don't like it work with them to fix and correct stuff. -Mike From kevin.kofler at chello.at Tue May 13 21:33:37 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:33:37 +0200 Subject: Correction: Live CD vs. DVD Message-ID: <200805132333.38227.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Hi, http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora says "Live DVD" for the x86_64 images, but they actually fit on a CD now. (The x86_64 KDE Live image is 695 MB, the GNOME one 693 MB.) Kevin Kofler From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 23:40:09 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 05:10:09 +0530 Subject: Correction: Live CD vs. DVD In-Reply-To: <200805132333.38227.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200805132333.38227.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <482A26D9.601@fedoraproject.org> Kevin Kofler wrote: > Hi, > > http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora says "Live DVD" for the x86_64 images, > but they actually fit on a CD now. (The x86_64 KDE Live image is 695 MB, the > GNOME one 693 MB.) This is being fixed. Rahul From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 23:47:59 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:47:59 -0400 Subject: Correction: Live CD vs. DVD In-Reply-To: <200805132333.38227.kevin.kofler@chello.at> References: <200805132333.38227.kevin.kofler@chello.at> Message-ID: <20080513234759.GA24399@Max> On 2008-05-13 11:33:37 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora says "Live DVD" for the x86_64 images, > but they actually fit on a CD now. (The x86_64 KDE Live image is 695 MB, the > GNOME one 693 MB.) Thanks for letting us know! A corrected get-fedora is being pushed out now. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Wed May 14 02:00:02 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:00:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New Wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > mizmo and ianweller have worked on the theme. If you don't like it work > with them to fix and correct stuff. > If you can, post a ticket to https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/newticket (and be sure you're logged in -- click Login at the top-right, just use your FAS username/password) Be sure to include "WIKI" in the Keywords section, so we can keep track. Thanks! -- ian From samuel.bailey at ntlworld.com Wed May 14 09:48:06 2008 From: samuel.bailey at ntlworld.com (Sam Bailey) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:48:06 +0100 Subject: fedora 9 downloads Message-ID: <482AB556.7080303@ntlworld.com> Hi I can't find a download on the site for a Fedora 9 KDE live CD in i386, or didn't they make one? I wanted to try it on an old P4 (32 bit) Regards Sam From michaeljgruber at gmail.com Wed May 14 10:15:19 2008 From: michaeljgruber at gmail.com (Michael J Gruber) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:15:19 +0200 Subject: cla/edit account: 500 Internal error Message-ID: <482ABBB7.1060300@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi I'm a FP user. I'm trying to fill in the CLA, which prompted me to enter phone number and address in the edit account screen. Trying to do so (and entering gpg and ssh keys) results in the following response: 500 Internal error The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request. The affected account is "mjg". Cheers, Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREDAAYFAkgqu6gACgkQrIJLH8kgoSTcdACgn9S6T0RSr1Id3BTBfWrBJKAH Xp0AniMJTxvqEpDAOTgC3A4nl8wd6N0s =yn6K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gfidente at redhat.com Wed May 14 12:58:56 2008 From: gfidente at redhat.com (Giulio Fidente) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:58:56 +0200 Subject: fedora 9 downloads In-Reply-To: <482AB556.7080303@ntlworld.com> References: <482AB556.7080303@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <482AE210.2020906@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sam Bailey wrote: > Hi > > I can't find a download on the site for a Fedora 9 KDE live CD in i386, > or didn't they make one? I think it would be also nice to write explicitly that you can _install_ fedora from the _live_ cds Newbies frequently don't even know what a live cd is, and they don't go for the dvd image because it's too big; we could just write something like "Live/Install CD" and "Fedora Destop Live/Install Media" P.S. I'm trying to create my wiki account from yesterdat, but I'm still getting a proxy error, so I can't be more helpful for now - -- Giulio Fidente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgq4g8ACgkQUSr9JAjXM7oOpgCg6FAcpnj+Et1MXVKnJ0047+r4 4bUAoORjfKU+UxwRqU/k2CS4hSk+UVxq =97HC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From a.badger at gmail.com Wed May 14 13:58:16 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 06:58:16 -0700 Subject: cla/edit account: 500 Internal error In-Reply-To: <482ABBB7.1060300@gmail.com> References: <482ABBB7.1060300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <482AEFF8.3030205@gmail.com> Michael J Gruber wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Hi > > I'm a FP user. I'm trying to fill in the CLA, which prompted me to enter > phone number and address in the edit account screen. Trying to do so > (and entering gpg and ssh keys) results in the following response: > > 500 Internal error > > The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from > fulfilling the request. > > The affected account is "mjg". > The database is currently experiencing high load which is blocking most of our web apps. We're fixing things now. -Toshio From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Wed May 14 14:31:16 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:31:16 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes index.php,1.47,1.48 Message-ID: <200805141431.m4EEVGZA014716@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv14689/release-notes Modified Files: index.php Log Message: Fix year in date Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.47 retrieving revision 1.48 diff -u -r1.47 -r1.48 --- index.php 12 May 2008 21:44:10 -0000 1.47 +++ index.php 14 May 2008 14:30:46 -0000 1.48 @@ -128,7 +128,7 @@ sr_Latn | sv | zh_CN - (12-May-2007, v9.0.0) + (12-May-2008, v9.0.0) Fedora 8 From flaprocha at gmail.com Wed May 14 14:54:08 2008 From: flaprocha at gmail.com (Felipe Rocha) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:54:08 -0300 Subject: FC9 Message-ID: <9331605b0805140754s166ef8bap812b470fd7d56cb@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I did the download of FC9 and when I'm trying to get the SHA1SUM at this link [1] I'm not able to get this file and instead I'm getting an alert message like this "500 OOPS: vsf_sysutil_bind". For a better understanding I was at "Verify your ISO download" [2]. Could you point me to the right place? [1] - http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Live/i686/SHA1SUM [2] - http://fedoraproject.org/en/verify thanks, Felipe Rocha1 From gmartin at CROSSBEAMSYS.COM Wed May 14 15:11:42 2008 From: gmartin at CROSSBEAMSYS.COM (Martin, Gregor) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:11:42 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 DVD ISO Message-ID: Hi all, der Link funktioniert nicht. http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i38 6/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso http://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/linux/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso /Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso Forbidden You don't have permission to access /linux/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso on this server. Apache/1.3.26 Server at ftp.uni-bayreuth.de Port 80 From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 15:56:24 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:56:24 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 DVD ISO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080514155624.GA31720@Max> On 2008-05-14 11:11:42 AM, Martin, Gregor wrote: > Hi all, > > der Link funktioniert nicht. > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i38 > 6/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso > > http://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/linux/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso > /Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso This looks like a problem on the mirror (which we don't have control over, unfortunately). I'll try to see how we can contact them and get this fixed. Until then, see if you can try some of the other options at http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist/?path=/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso, or browse the full list of mirrors at http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 16:00:04 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:00:04 -0400 Subject: FC9 In-Reply-To: <9331605b0805140754s166ef8bap812b470fd7d56cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9331605b0805140754s166ef8bap812b470fd7d56cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080514160004.GB31720@Max> On 2008-05-14 11:54:08 AM, Felipe Rocha wrote: > I did the download of FC9 and when I'm trying to get the SHA1SUM at > this link [1] I'm not able to get this file and instead I'm getting an > alert message like this "500 OOPS: vsf_sysutil_bind". > > For a better understanding I was at "Verify your ISO download" [2]. > > Could you point me to the right place? This looks like a problem with a mirror - can you tell us which mirror download.fedoraproject.org directed you to so that we can contact them? For now, you should be able to get the SHA1SUM file from http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Live/i686/SHA1SUM Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 22:15:58 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:15:58 +0100 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/11 Jonathan Roberts : > 2008/5/10 Ricky Zhou : >> On 2008-05-10 04:26:47 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >>> Can I propose the above time and date for the next Websites' team meeting? >>> >>> There's quite a gap here, but I think this looks like it's the best >>> time slot and Monday 12th would be a little too soon (?) after last >>> meeting. >> Aw, I'm can never make 20:00 UTC Monday through Friday (I'll be on a bus). OK, I haven't seen any other responses from people about this? I think alternating the time of the meetings from week to week is the best solution I can think of, so, barring a response from someone else that comes up with an idea on how else we can solve this, I'm going to call next week's meeting for 2000 UTC 19th April. I'd love for someone to come up with a better solution!! If you can't make this meeting time, perhaps you could drop a message to the list letting us know how you're getting on with your tasks nearer the time so that we can discuss items that you bring up, and then feed that discussion back into the list so nobody misses out on too much. Sorry, ***Jon hoping somebody comes up with a better solution... From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed May 14 23:00:54 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:00:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/5/11 Jonathan Roberts : > > 2008/5/10 Ricky Zhou : > >> On 2008-05-10 04:26:47 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >>> Can I propose the above time and date for the next Websites' team meeting? > >>> > >>> There's quite a gap here, but I think this looks like it's the best > >>> time slot and Monday 12th would be a little too soon (?) after last > >>> meeting. > >> Aw, I'm can never make 20:00 UTC Monday through Friday (I'll be on a bus). > > OK, I haven't seen any other responses from people about this? > > I think alternating the time of the meetings from week to week is the > best solution I can think of, so, barring a response from someone else > that comes up with an idea on how else we can solve this, I'm going to > call next week's meeting for 2000 UTC 19th April. I'd love for someone > to come up with a better solution!! > > If you can't make this meeting time, perhaps you could drop a message > to the list letting us know how you're getting on with your tasks > nearer the time so that we can discuss items that you bring up, and > then feed that discussion back into the list so nobody misses out on > too much. > What do the ambassadors do? -Mike From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu May 15 01:00:25 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:00:25 -0400 Subject: fedora 9 downloads In-Reply-To: <482AB556.7080303@ntlworld.com> References: <482AB556.7080303@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1210813226.26278.164.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 10:48 +0100, Sam Bailey wrote: > Hi > > I can't find a download on the site for a Fedora 9 KDE live CD in i386, > or didn't they make one? > > I wanted to try it on an old P4 (32 bit) > > Regards Sam The Pentium 4 processor can run the i686 media. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From andrew.bridier at gmail.com Wed May 14 17:19:36 2008 From: andrew.bridier at gmail.com (Andrew Bridier) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:19:36 -0400 Subject: Page Not loading Message-ID: <23042d7b0805141019j2d149e0cx94a2d23c72e3d528@mail.gmail.com> I use facebook, and play mob wars on it. I clicked on a link the other day to purchase Flowers in return for favor points. I never received the favor points, and when I go to check to see where in the process it is, you page is not loading. This is the link: http://apps.kitnmedia.com/superrewards/pending.php?h=hhemlciieifchc Thanks, Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ukg_selector at hotmail.com Wed May 14 20:44:31 2008 From: ukg_selector at hotmail.com (THE GODFATHER UKG c) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:44:31 +0000 Subject: fedora 9 install Message-ID: hi i downloaded fedora 9 from the bit torrent link on the site and put the iso onto dvd, but when i start the computer with the dvd it does not seem to want to boot the dvd and run the installation. the computer will boot windows installs but not this, do you have any suggestions thanks _________________________________________________________________ Win Indiana Jones prizes with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu May 15 02:11:18 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:11:18 -0400 Subject: Page Not loading In-Reply-To: <23042d7b0805141019j2d149e0cx94a2d23c72e3d528@mail.gmail.com> References: <23042d7b0805141019j2d149e0cx94a2d23c72e3d528@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1210817479.26278.179.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 13:19 -0400, Andrew Bridier wrote: > I use facebook, and play mob wars on it. I clicked on a link the other > day to purchase Flowers in return for favor points. I never received > the favor points, and when I go to check to see where in the process > it is, you page is not loading. > > This is the link: > > http://apps.kitnmedia.com/superrewards/pending.php?h=hhemlciieifchc > > Thanks, > > Andrew What you're seeing is a test page included with the Fedora Linux distribution; we don't actually run that server. You can do a WHOIS query in order to find out who is actually responsible for that server. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu May 15 02:12:25 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:12:25 -0400 Subject: fedora 9 install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1210817545.26278.181.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 20:44 +0000, THE GODFATHER UKG c wrote: > hi i downloaded fedora 9 from the bit torrent link on the site and put > the iso onto dvd, but when i start the computer with the dvd it does > not seem to want to boot the dvd and run the installation. the > computer will boot windows installs but not this, do you have any > suggestions > > thanks > The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to Fedora's websites. For end-user Fedora support, please refer to the help resources described here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From squirrelking at sbcglobal.net Thu May 15 05:28:11 2008 From: squirrelking at sbcglobal.net (Brandon Lymon) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora for x86? Message-ID: <830153.37162.qm@web81904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was searching your get-fedora section and realized that you didn't have an install for x86. There are ones for x86_64, but none for just x86. I have an older Pentium4 and I can't get a version of Fedora 9(sulphur) for it. Could you please help? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From squirrelking at sbcglobal.net Thu May 15 05:28:11 2008 From: squirrelking at sbcglobal.net (Brandon Lymon) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora for x86? Message-ID: <830153.37162.qm@web81904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was searching your get-fedora section and realized that you didn't have an install for x86. There are ones for x86_64, but none for just x86. I have an older Pentium4 and I can't get a version of Fedora 9(sulphur) for it. Could you please help? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonstanley at gmail.com Thu May 15 16:48:19 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:48:19 -0400 Subject: Fedora for x86? In-Reply-To: <830153.37162.qm@web81904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <830153.37162.qm@web81904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sure, there are 'i386' versions which are what you are looking for, if you want to directly download the installation DVD: http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso or for the LiveCD: http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Live/i686/Fedora-9-i686-Live.iso There are also BitTorrent and Jigdo (for the installation media) downloads available at http://get.fedoraproject.org 2008/5/15 Brandon Lymon : > I was searching your get-fedora section and realized that you didn't have an > install for x86. There are ones for x86_64, but none for just x86. I have an > older Pentium4 and I can't get a version of Fedora 9(sulphur) for it. Could > you please help? > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > -- Jon Stanley Fedora Bug Wrangler jstanley at fedoraproject.org From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu May 15 16:49:30 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:49:30 -0400 Subject: Fedora for x86? In-Reply-To: <830153.37162.qm@web81904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <830153.37162.qm@web81904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2008/5/15 Brandon Lymon : > I was searching your get-fedora section and realized that you didn't have an > install for x86. There are ones for x86_64, but none for just x86. I have an > older Pentium4 and I can't get a version of Fedora 9(sulphur) for it. Could > you please help? > Hi Brandon, We certainly have an install for your P4. You are looking for the i386 or i686 downloads on that same page. In future, please note that the webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to Fedora's websites. For general Fedora support, please refer to the help resources described here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate. Good luck, -- Craig Thomas From MMattox at usecu.org Thu May 15 17:55:55 2008 From: MMattox at usecu.org (Marty Mattox) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:55:55 -0700 Subject: Phishing site Message-ID: <4CD76AC8C630A246A217DDCE9717BC0F3074C0EA02@USEMAIL.usecu.org> Hello! My name is Marty Mattox, and I'm the Marketing Manager for USE Credit Union. It looks like our members have been targeted for a Phishing scam, and the site which they are being directed to is hiding on your site (http://www.usecuq.org/onlineq). Can you help us out with shutting this down? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! -mm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Paul.Hanley at qwest.com Thu May 15 19:13:54 2008 From: Paul.Hanley at qwest.com (Hanley, Paul) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:13:54 -0500 Subject: Issue with Fedora direct download Message-ID: Just a heads up, when trying to download the iso for the i86 DVD on direct download, I only get a 637k file. http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/F edora/i386/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso Rgds, Paul Hanley This communication is the property of Qwest and may contain confidential or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this communication is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the communication and any attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Paul.Hanley at qwest.com Thu May 15 19:15:42 2008 From: Paul.Hanley at qwest.com (Hanley, Paul) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:15:42 -0500 Subject: Issue with Fedora direct download In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, this is the primary link from your site: http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i38 6/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso and the file is only 630B, not even kB. ________________________________ From: Hanley, Paul Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:14 PM To: 'webmaster at fedoraproject.org' Subject: Issue with Fedora direct download Just a heads up, when trying to download the iso for the i86 DVD on direct download, I only get a 637k file. http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/F edora/i386/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso Rgds, Paul Hanley This communication is the property of Qwest and may contain confidential or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this communication is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the communication and any attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu May 15 19:47:37 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:47:37 -0400 Subject: Issue with Fedora direct download In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1210880857.26278.209.camel@ignacio.lan> On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 14:15 -0500, Hanley, Paul wrote: > Actually, this is the primary link from your site: > > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso > > and the file is only 630B, not even kB. I can't seem to replicate the issue here. What are the contents of the file you've downloaded? -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu May 15 19:52:20 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:52:20 -0400 Subject: Phishing site In-Reply-To: <4CD76AC8C630A246A217DDCE9717BC0F3074C0EA02@USEMAIL.usecu.org> References: <4CD76AC8C630A246A217DDCE9717BC0F3074C0EA02@USEMAIL.usecu.org> Message-ID: <1210881140.26278.213.camel@ignacio.lan> On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 10:55 -0700, Marty Mattox wrote: > Hello! > > > > My name is Marty Mattox, and I'm the Marketing Manager for USE Credit > Union. It looks like our members have been targeted for a Phishing > scam, and the site which they are being directed to is hiding on your > site (http://www.usecuq.org/onlineq). Can you help us out with > shutting this down? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank you! -mm I'm afraid that we aren't responsible for that hostname. You can do a WHOIS query on the domain name in order to find out who controls a domain (or who needs to be reported to the proper authorities, if it comes to that). Best of luck with your pursuit. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Paul.Hanley at qwest.com Thu May 15 19:52:51 2008 From: Paul.Hanley at qwest.com (Hanley, Paul) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:52:51 -0500 Subject: Issue with Fedora direct download In-Reply-To: <1210880857.26278.209.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1210880857.26278.209.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: It's killing me. It has to be this Windows box. Either way, do you want a copy of the file I keep grabbing? Oddly enough, it increased with consecutive attempts to 700B. I've hit about 6 different mirrors now, and still, no full ISO image. -----Original Message----- From: Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams [mailto:ivazqueznet at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:48 PM To: Hanley, Paul Cc: webmaster at fedoraproject.org Subject: RE: Issue with Fedora direct download On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 14:15 -0500, Hanley, Paul wrote: > Actually, this is the primary link from your site: > > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i > 386/iso/Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso > > and the file is only 630B, not even kB. I can't seem to replicate the issue here. What are the contents of the file you've downloaded? -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams This communication is the property of Qwest and may contain confidential or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this communication is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the communication and any attachments. From MMattox at usecu.org Thu May 15 19:50:06 2008 From: MMattox at usecu.org (Marty Mattox) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:50:06 -0700 Subject: Phishing site In-Reply-To: <1210881140.26278.213.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <4CD76AC8C630A246A217DDCE9717BC0F3074C0EA02@USEMAIL.usecu.org> <1210881140.26278.213.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <4CD76AC8C630A246A217DDCE9717BC0F3074C0EB12@USEMAIL.usecu.org> Thanks so much for the input! -mm -----Original Message----- From: Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams [mailto:ivazqueznet at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:52 PM To: Marty Mattox Cc: webmaster at fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Phishing site On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 10:55 -0700, Marty Mattox wrote: > Hello! > > > > My name is Marty Mattox, and I'm the Marketing Manager for USE Credit > Union. It looks like our members have been targeted for a Phishing > scam, and the site which they are being directed to is hiding on your > site (http://www.usecuq.org/onlineq). Can you help us out with > shutting this down? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank you! -mm I'm afraid that we aren't responsible for that hostname. You can do a WHOIS query on the domain name in order to find out who controls a domain (or who needs to be reported to the proper authorities, if it comes to that). Best of luck with your pursuit. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu May 15 20:31:25 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:31:25 -0400 Subject: Issue with Fedora direct download In-Reply-To: References: <1210880857.26278.209.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1210883485.26278.221.camel@ignacio.lan> On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 14:52 -0500, Hanley, Paul wrote: > It's killing me. It has to be this Windows box. Either way, do you want > a copy of the file I keep grabbing? Oddly enough, it increased with > consecutive attempts to 700B. I've hit about 6 different mirrors now, > and still, no full ISO image. Alright, it doesn't sound like a website issue then. Please bring your issue to the Fedora Users mailing list and they can help you from here. http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Paul.Hanley at qwest.com Thu May 15 20:38:54 2008 From: Paul.Hanley at qwest.com (Hanley, Paul) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:38:54 -0500 Subject: Issue with Fedora direct download In-Reply-To: <1210883485.26278.221.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1210880857.26278.209.camel@ignacio.lan> <1210883485.26278.221.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: Will do, thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams [mailto:ivazqueznet at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:31 PM To: Hanley, Paul Cc: webmaster at fedoraproject.org Subject: RE: Issue with Fedora direct download On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 14:52 -0500, Hanley, Paul wrote: > It's killing me. It has to be this Windows box. Either way, do you > want a copy of the file I keep grabbing? Oddly enough, it increased > with consecutive attempts to 700B. I've hit about 6 different mirrors > now, and still, no full ISO image. Alright, it doesn't sound like a website issue then. Please bring your issue to the Fedora Users mailing list and they can help you from here. http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams This communication is the property of Qwest and may contain confidential or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this communication is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the communication and any attachments. From ianweller at gmail.com Thu May 15 22:51:55 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:51:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: new wiki sidebar Message-ID: Hey, wondering what links should be in the sidebar for the new MediaWiki install. We can put internal wiki links and external links in there. The 'toolbox' section cannot be changed, but we can make as many other sections as we want. https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page -- ian From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Fri May 16 03:39:48 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:39:48 -0400 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> 2008/5/11 Jonathan Roberts : >> > 2008/5/10 Ricky Zhou : >> >> On 2008-05-10 04:26:47 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> >>> Can I propose the above time and date for the next Websites' team meeting? >> >>> >> >>> There's quite a gap here, but I think this looks like it's the best >> >>> time slot and Monday 12th would be a little too soon (?) after last >> >>> meeting. >> >> Aw, I'm can never make 20:00 UTC Monday through Friday (I'll be on a bus). >> >> OK, I haven't seen any other responses from people about this? >> >> I think alternating the time of the meetings from week to week is the >> best solution I can think of, so, barring a response from someone else >> that comes up with an idea on how else we can solve this, I'm going to >> call next week's meeting for 2000 UTC 19th April. I'd love for someone >> to come up with a better solution!! >> >> If you can't make this meeting time, perhaps you could drop a message >> to the list letting us know how you're getting on with your tasks >> nearer the time so that we can discuss items that you bring up, and >> then feed that discussion back into the list so nobody misses out on >> too much. >> > > What do the ambassadors do? > A quick look at their wiki space for meetings, 03 and 04 of 2007 show they alternated between 14:00 and 22:00 UTC every meeting. Anyway, I think alternating the meeting times to accommodate participant's schedules is the right thing, as long as we actually pick up $participants in the process. So, are we on for 2000 UTC 19th April ? Cheers, -- Craig Thomas > -Mike > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > From jim.cromie at gmail.com Fri May 16 03:11:14 2008 From: jim.cromie at gmail.com (Jim Cromie) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:11:14 -0600 Subject: stale link on relnotes page Message-ID: <482CFB52.3060604@gmail.com> http://fedoraproject.org/en/relnotes has a stale link RPMFind.net mirror I cannot find the rel-notes on the site. From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri May 16 05:00:09 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 01:00:09 -0400 Subject: stale link on relnotes page In-Reply-To: <482CFB52.3060604@gmail.com> References: <482CFB52.3060604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080516043142.GB1638@Max> On 2008-05-15 09:11:14 PM, Jim Cromie wrote: > > http://fedoraproject.org/en/relnotes has a stale link > > RPMFind.net mirror > > > I cannot find the rel-notes on the site. Strange, we fixed that a while ago, but the commit mysteriously disappeared :-/. Thanks for letting us know about this, those links should disappear soon (the relnotes are no longer available on the mirrors. Instead, they're just at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/ now. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri May 16 08:44:59 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:44:59 +0100 Subject: new wiki sidebar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0805160144k4deafaadu86e62b93d06d92ed@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/15 Ian Weller : > Hey, wondering what links should be in the sidebar for the new MediaWiki > install. We can put internal wiki links and external links in there. The > 'toolbox' section cannot be changed, but we can make as many other sections > as we want. > > https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page What about keeping it similar to the current static pages? i.e. Home, Get Fedora, Join Fedora Best, Jon From ianweller at gmail.com Fri May 16 16:40:15 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:40:15 -0500 Subject: new wiki sidebar In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805160144k4deafaadu86e62b93d06d92ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805160144k4deafaadu86e62b93d06d92ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/16/08, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > What about keeping it similar to the current static pages? > > i.e. Home, Get Fedora, Join Fedora > Should we list major subprojects in their own section? -- ian From brian.fisk at kirtland.af.mil Fri May 16 21:59:54 2008 From: brian.fisk at kirtland.af.mil (Fisk, Brian J CTR USAF AFMC AFRL/RDLS) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:59:54 -0600 Subject: PPC DVD ISO Strange Message-ID: <02B1FB1274781A44A6B9F2EB1878D4D20305460D@FKIMLKI02.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil> Dear Sir or Madam, I don't know if this is the correct place to query, but there seems to be an issue with the ISO DVD image for Fedora 9 for the PPC. The file size of the image on FTP sites appears to be way too small and each time I try to download from an http site, I get only about 115 MB at "completion." Any help you might be able to give me to find a good DVD ISO for PPC would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Brian Fisk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Fri May 16 23:09:55 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:09:55 -0400 Subject: PPC DVD ISO Strange In-Reply-To: <02B1FB1274781A44A6B9F2EB1878D4D20305460D@FKIMLKI02.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil> References: <02B1FB1274781A44A6B9F2EB1878D4D20305460D@FKIMLKI02.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil> Message-ID: <1210979395.31688.6.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 15:59 -0600, Fisk, Brian J CTR USAF AFMC AFRL/RDLS wrote: > Dear Sir or Madam, > > I don?t know if this is the correct place to query, but there seems to > be an issue with the ISO DVD image for Fedora 9 for the PPC. The file > size of the image on FTP sites appears to be way too small and each > time I try to download from an http site, I get only about 115 MB at > ?completion.? > > Any help you might be able to give me to find a good DVD ISO for PPC > would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Brian Fisk Which FTP sites are showing the ISO as too small, and which one are you looking at? The HTTP file truncation is a known issue with certain builds of certain HTTP servers. It's recommended that you use FTP, BitTorrent, or Jigdo instead. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From burkspatrick at comcast.net Sat May 17 03:24:00 2008 From: burkspatrick at comcast.net (burkspatrick at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 03:24:00 +0000 Subject: im totally and irrevolcalbly at a loss Message-ID: <051720080324.21814.482E4FD00008AF3E000055362200762194050C079D9B0E9F9C059D9A0D@comcast.net> I got a copy of fedora core for a linux magazine and for a while everthing was running smoothly and it was release 7 and it has quit updating and i have been left in the dust and i looked up fedoras website and found out that theres a release nine and i have 7 and i have my computer just like i really want it so like how do i get everthing updated without majorly formatting my harddrive and losing everthing i mean nothing will update anymore and i am ticked off just a little. From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat May 17 03:51:57 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:51:57 -0400 Subject: im totally and irrevolcalbly at a loss In-Reply-To: <051720080324.21814.482E4FD00008AF3E000055362200762194050C079D9B0E9F9C059D9A0D@comcast.net> References: <051720080324.21814.482E4FD00008AF3E000055362200762194050C079D9B0E9F9C059D9A0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1210996317.31688.11.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 03:24 +0000, burkspatrick at comcast.net wrote: > I got a copy of fedora core for a linux magazine and for a while > everthing was running smoothly and it was release 7 and it has quit > updating and i have been left in the dust and i looked up fedoras > website and found out that theres a release nine and i have 7 and i > have my computer just like i really want it so like how do i get > everthing updated without majorly formatting my harddrive and losing > everthing i mean nothing will update anymore and i am ticked off just > a little. The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to Fedora's websites. For end-user Fedora support, please refer to the help resources described here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From urlep.heda at siol.net Sat May 17 07:32:01 2008 From: urlep.heda at siol.net (Urlep Heda) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 09:32:01 +0200 Subject: Heda Message-ID: <022c01c8b7f0$1fb97120$6400a8c0@server> HEDA URLEP ZEMLJAK Poljska pot 12 3202 Ljubecna SLOVENIA I collect T-shirts with logos from different firms across Slovenia and foreign countries. I would be very gratheful if you or your firm could contribute to my collection and send me a T-shirt with your logo. Best wishes. http://urlepheda.zemljak-danijel.biz Heda Urlep Zemljak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve0001 at gmail.com Sat May 17 14:11:01 2008 From: steve0001 at gmail.com (Stephen Rowe) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:11:01 -0400 Subject: Free? Message-ID: <71e913450805170711p5e3b68e3hebc82b1dd8a66461@mail.gmail.com> You state in your video player that you strive to keep Fedora free yet to play most videos you send me to a pay for the codec site. Yet in Kubuntu the codecs are free, why pay you when the other is really free, also Flash fails and wants a manual install even thoogh I did your installer since the Adobe gives a malformed message. So far not very positive as these items have been encountered only 1 day after trying your distro. I am not a big user of Linux but am trying to learn. Right now I am trying all the different flavors of which Fedroa is supported by a lot of programs I would like to try, mostly accounting programs of which Linux lacks for the novice. I will not give up easily but others will. If you want to gain community support from nvice user you must have the stuff people do on the web working. No flash is a no go by the way, so back to Kubuntu for a while tio give you time to resolve the issues I have encountered, since to me that makes you undesirable. I do try to resolve some issues with the terminal but eing a novice with Linux usually ends up with reading and installing through the terminal that ends up failing anyway. I always seem to get a few steps done then having to research the errors. But usualy just give up thinking this will not fly for general public use. On a side note tho I do see Linux getting better, but not there. Lack of program support is one as we have used the same programs that has our information or knowledge of how to use it. To start over is a step most are not willing to do. Open Office resolves one portion but not all. To you it may be a simple thing to get things to work but to the average user it is just about impossible. One last note, there is NO WAY I am going to pay Fluendo web shop for codecs. To me this seems like a scam, a note to remain free yet you send me to a pay site to play a video that plays for free on other OS's, yes even free ones! That just plain stinks and will cause me in the end to not use your product.. If I knew I was going to use your product as my main OS and it was a pay item on the others then I would have no problem, but it is not. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat May 17 15:06:56 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 11:06:56 -0400 Subject: Free? In-Reply-To: <71e913450805170711p5e3b68e3hebc82b1dd8a66461@mail.gmail.com> References: <71e913450805170711p5e3b68e3hebc82b1dd8a66461@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211036816.31688.22.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:11 -0400, Stephen Rowe wrote: > You state in your video player that you strive to keep Fedora free > yet to play most videos you send me to a pay for the codec site. > Yet in Kubuntu the codecs are free, why pay you when the other is > really free, also Flash fails and wants a manual install even thoogh > I did your installer since the Adobe gives a malformed message. > So far not very positive as these items have been encountered > only 1 day after trying your distro. I am not a big user of Linux but > am trying to learn. Right now I am trying all the different flavors > of which Fedroa is supported by a lot of programs I would like > to try, mostly accounting programs of which Linux lacks for the > novice. I will not give up easily but others will. If you want to gain > community support from nvice user you must have the stuff people > do on the web working. No flash is a no go by the way, so back to > Kubuntu for a while tio give you time to resolve the issues I have > encountered, since to me that makes you undesirable. The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to Fedora's websites. For end-user Fedora support, please refer to the help resources described here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat May 17 15:09:09 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 11:09:09 -0400 Subject: Heda In-Reply-To: <022c01c8b7f0$1fb97120$6400a8c0@server> References: <022c01c8b7f0$1fb97120$6400a8c0@server> Message-ID: <1211036949.31688.25.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 09:32 +0200, Urlep Heda wrote: > HEDA URLEP ZEMLJAK > > Poljska pot 12 > > 3202 Ljube?na > > SLOVENIA > > > > > > I collect T-shirts with logos from different firms across Slovenia and > foreign countries. I would be very gratheful if you or your firm could > contribute to my collection and send me a T-shirt with your logo. > > Best wishes. > > http://urlepheda.zemljak-danijel.biz > > > Heda Urlep Zemljak > Thank you for your inquiry. The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to Fedora's websites. You should place your request on the Marketing mailing list: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat May 17 19:44:43 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 20:44:43 +0100 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805171244y451c4bd3s45eb1d9d4aab1ada@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/16 Craig Thomas : > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: >> On Wed, 14 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> >>> 2008/5/11 Jonathan Roberts : >>> > 2008/5/10 Ricky Zhou : >>> >> On 2008-05-10 04:26:47 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >>> >>> Can I propose the above time and date for the next Websites' team meeting? >>> >>> >>> >>> There's quite a gap here, but I think this looks like it's the best >>> >>> time slot and Monday 12th would be a little too soon (?) after last >>> >>> meeting. >>> >> Aw, I'm can never make 20:00 UTC Monday through Friday (I'll be on a bus). >>> >>> OK, I haven't seen any other responses from people about this? >>> >>> I think alternating the time of the meetings from week to week is the >>> best solution I can think of, so, barring a response from someone else >>> that comes up with an idea on how else we can solve this, I'm going to >>> call next week's meeting for 2000 UTC 19th April. I'd love for someone >>> to come up with a better solution!! >>> >>> If you can't make this meeting time, perhaps you could drop a message >>> to the list letting us know how you're getting on with your tasks >>> nearer the time so that we can discuss items that you bring up, and >>> then feed that discussion back into the list so nobody misses out on >>> too much. >>> >> >> What do the ambassadors do? >> > > A quick look at their wiki space for meetings, 03 and 04 of 2007 show > they alternated between 14:00 and 22:00 UTC every meeting. > > Anyway, I think alternating the meeting times to accommodate > participant's schedules is the right thing, as long as we actually > pick up $participants in the process. > > So, are we on for 2000 UTC 19th April ? > Yes - it seems rotation could be our only solution for the time being so we'll stick with this time and date for the time being. I'll be updating the agenda in the coming days, so if there's anything you want discussed remember to add it! Even if you can't make this time, please add important items to the agenda or send them to the list so that we can continue to make progress. People who have open tasks at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks, could you let us have an update on list before the meeting if you can't make it? We'll try and build discussion around this as much as possible... Best, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Sun May 18 05:00:40 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 22:00:40 -0700 Subject: Free? In-Reply-To: <71e913450805170711p5e3b68e3hebc82b1dd8a66461@mail.gmail.com> References: <71e913450805170711p5e3b68e3hebc82b1dd8a66461@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211086840.3681.188.camel@calliope.phig.org> The free in Fedora is for freedom. It should not be confused with receiving something for no payment, what is sometimes called "free as in beer." This article has more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_Libre For the rest of your issues, use the original link to seek community help: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:11 -0400, Stephen Rowe wrote: > You state in your video player that you strive to keep Fedora free > yet to play most videos you send me to a pay for the codec site. > Yet in Kubuntu the codecs are free, why pay you when the other is > really free, also Flash fails and wants a manual install even thoogh > I did your installer since the Adobe gives a malformed message. > So far not very positive as these items have been encountered > only 1 day after trying your distro. I am not a big user of Linux but > am trying to learn. Right now I am trying all the different flavors > of which Fedroa is supported by a lot of programs I would like > to try, mostly accounting programs of which Linux lacks for the > novice. I will not give up easily but others will. If you want to gain > community support from nvice user you must have the stuff people > do on the web working. No flash is a no go by the way, so back to > Kubuntu for a while tio give you time to resolve the issues I have > encountered, since to me that makes you undesirable. > > I do try to resolve some issues with the terminal but eing a novice > with Linux usually ends up with reading and installing through > the terminal that ends up failing anyway. I always seem to get a few > steps done then having to research the errors. But usualy just > give up thinking this will not fly for general public use. > > On a side note tho I do see Linux getting better, but not there. Lack > of program support is one as we have used the same programs that > has our information or knowledge of how to use it. To start over is a > step most are not willing to do. Open Office resolves one portion > but not all. To you it may be a simple thing to get things to work > but to the average user it is just about impossible. > > One last note, there is NO WAY I am going to pay Fluendo web shop > for codecs. To me this seems like a scam, a note to remain free > yet you send me to a pay site to play a video that plays for free on > other OS's, yes even free ones! That just plain stinks and will cause > me in the end to not use your product.. If I knew I was going to use > your product as my main OS and it was a pay item on the others then > I would have no problem, but it is not. -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sun May 18 17:23:06 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:23:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Comments from slashdot Message-ID: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=556388&cid=23450894 That one is specific to websites (just throwing it out there) but the rest of the conversation is also interesting. -Mike From JECarterII at aol.com Sun May 18 16:50:18 2008 From: JECarterII at aol.com (JECarterII at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:50:18 EDT Subject: bad dl link or file.. Message-ID: Tried to download fedora-9-ppc-DVD.iso .. Download begins, but its reported as 116 MB in size... much too small for a DVD... someone needs to fix that.. also, is this the one i dl for ps3? **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sun May 18 18:40:51 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 14:40:51 -0400 Subject: Comments from slashdot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080518184051.GA3540@Max> On 2008-05-18 12:23:06 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=556388&cid=23450894 > > That one is specific to websites (just throwing it out there) but the rest > of the conversation is also interesting. Aw, the fedora.org/fedora.com comment just hurts. I'm sure that this has been asked/done before, but have we ever spoken to the owners of those domains? What kind of response did we get? The get-fedora comment is definitely valid, though (and it's good to see some progress being made in this area). I took another look at opensuse's download page (http://software.opensuse.org/), and I'm starting to like it more and more. I don't think the 4 steps look very indimidating to users at all, and I like that they don't bother too much with fancy animations (as a side-affect of this, there's already a reasonable default download link at the bottom, so you only need one click to download the i386 install DVD). Any thoughts on this? Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From juankprada at gmail.com Sun May 18 19:19:13 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 14:19:13 -0500 Subject: Comments from slashdot In-Reply-To: <20080518184051.GA3540@Max> References: <20080518184051.GA3540@Max> Message-ID: <1211138353.804.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 14:40 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2008-05-18 12:23:06 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=556388&cid=23450894 > > > > That one is specific to websites (just throwing it out there) but the rest > > of the conversation is also interesting. > Aw, the fedora.org/fedora.com comment just hurts. I'm sure that this > has been asked/done before, but have we ever spoken to the owners of > those domains? What kind of response did we get? > > The get-fedora comment is definitely valid, though (and it's good to see > some progress being made in this area). I took another look at > opensuse's download page (http://software.opensuse.org/), and I'm > starting to like it more and more. I don't think the 4 steps look very > indimidating to users at all, and I like that they don't bother too much > with fancy animations (as a side-affect of this, there's already a > reasonable default download link at the bottom, so you only need one > click to download the i386 install DVD). > Current version of get-fedora Craig and i were working on (i hope to get a chance to work on that soon) just uses some javascript to hide each step with a fancy animation, but it can be avoided as well, its just a matter of changing some parameters and we get something pretty much like what opensuse actually has. Again the i386 issue with the users... we should really start thinking in "standard computer/laptop" kinda names for each architecture, which really seems to make things easier for normal users > Any thoughts on this? > Ricky From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Sun May 18 19:22:19 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:22:19 -0400 Subject: Comments from slashdot In-Reply-To: <20080518184051.GA3540@Max> References: <20080518184051.GA3540@Max> Message-ID: 2008/5/18 Ricky Zhou : > On 2008-05-18 12:23:06 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > The get-fedora comment is definitely valid, though (and it's good to see > some progress being made in this area). I took another look at > opensuse's download page (http://software.opensuse.org/), and I'm > starting to like it more and more. I don't think the 4 steps look very > indimidating to users at all, and I like that they don't bother too much > with fancy animations (as a side-affect of this, there's already a > reasonable default download link at the bottom, so you only need one > click to download the i386 install DVD). > > Any thoughts on this? Yes, I agree. I like the simplicity of their page, nothing appearing or disappearing. I think that if we (and it sounds like we are going to start) push one .iso, we can really reduce confusion on get-fedora. Furthermore, if we follow through with the plan of download said iso with one click, we will see no more of these silly 'reasons' fedora is not as good as the other guys. Because in fact we do offer _more_ install options than I think any one else? ...at least more than most. We need to show off our 'geekier' / more advanced options too. I don't think we should just cater to new, relatively clueless users, IMO. (remember out recent bug for not showing off the netinstall.iso...heh, explain that one to a newb in 1000 words or less) The few reviews I have read all complain about the get-fedora page, for sure. my $0.02 -- Craig From juankprada at gmail.com Sun May 18 22:19:54 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:19:54 -0500 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805171244y451c4bd3s45eb1d9d4aab1ada@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805171244y451c4bd3s45eb1d9d4aab1ada@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211149194.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 20:44 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Yes - it seems rotation could be our only solution for the time being > so we'll stick with this time and date for the time being. > > I'll be updating the agenda in the coming days, so if there's anything > you want discussed remember to add it! Even if you can't make this > time, please add important items to the agenda or send them to the > list so that we can continue to make progress. > > People who have open tasks at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks, could you let us have an > update on list before the meeting if you can't make it? We'll try and > build discussion around this as much as possible... I think i wont be able to attend this meeting (and maybe i wont be able to attend any other for the next month or so) so first i want to apologize for leaving things for now. As you can see in the Tasks list I'm involved with two different task, one the get-fedora really went forward and Craig and i did something that might still need to be discussed, so i should let him be in charge of this if he agrees. The other one, about spins.fp.o i have some questions that i think should be discussed in order to get an idea of what spins section should be. 1) who will be in charge of the content in spins.fp.o? will be us?, will be the spins developers? 2) who is in charge of each spin and how often they update information about their releases? 3) If the spins developer is in charge of the content, does the content need to be reviewed before it being public? 4) if the developer is NOT in charge of the content how will the workflow be in order for new content to be shown? (same as what we have today?... ask ricky and then he updates?.. i rather have a more structured workflow here) 5) Will spins.fp.o be developed on the same branch as fp.o or it will be maintained in a different repo? if so, how are we going to build the site (python script generating a static site, server based application like website... ). answering this questions plus all the same questions mizmo asked to get the top 10 things we wanted a user to do in fp.o but with spins should give as a hint on where to start. If you ask me i'd go for a CMS like website in which every developer can manage its content, also that could be achieved with new wiki's features to update content as in a RSS reader. So as i said i dont think i will be able to attend the meetings for about a month or so.. so ill try to be in touch to get to know what's been done -- Juan Camilo Prada From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun May 18 22:30:08 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 23:30:08 +0100 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: <1211149194.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805171244y451c4bd3s45eb1d9d4aab1ada@mail.gmail.com> <1211149194.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0805181530r4a0fb15er506618498a1f5373@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/18 Juan Camilo Prada : > On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 20:44 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Yes - it seems rotation could be our only solution for the time being >> so we'll stick with this time and date for the time being. >> >> I'll be updating the agenda in the coming days, so if there's anything >> you want discussed remember to add it! Even if you can't make this >> time, please add important items to the agenda or send them to the >> list so that we can continue to make progress. >> >> People who have open tasks at >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks, could you let us have an >> update on list before the meeting if you can't make it? We'll try and >> build discussion around this as much as possible... > > I think i wont be able to attend this meeting (and maybe i wont be able > to attend any other for the next month or so) so first i want to > apologize for leaving things for now. No problem, and thanks for all of your work so far :) Hopefully we can take it forwards in the next few weeks with the ideas you've provided us with below. On a slightly related note, can I get a show of hands who can make tomorrow's meeting? Best, Jon From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sun May 18 23:18:42 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 19:18:42 -0400 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805181530r4a0fb15er506618498a1f5373@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805171244y451c4bd3s45eb1d9d4aab1ada@mail.gmail.com> <1211149194.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805181530r4a0fb15er506618498a1f5373@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080518231842.GB3540@Max> On 2008-05-18 11:30:08 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > No problem, and thanks for all of your work so far :) Hopefully we can > take it forwards in the next few weeks with the ideas you've provided > us with below. > > On a slightly related note, can I get a show of hands who can make > tomorrow's meeting? How about we just all reply with a yes/no (so that we can get a good idea of how this time is in general)? I won't be able to make it. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ylynfatt at flowja.com Mon May 19 00:29:33 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (Yannick Lyn Fatt) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 19:29:33 -0500 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: <20080518231842.GB3540@Max> References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805171244y451c4bd3s45eb1d9d4aab1ada@mail.gmail.com> <1211149194.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805181530r4a0fb15er506618498a1f5373@mail.gmail.com> <20080518231842.GB3540@Max> Message-ID: <1211156973.6359.2.camel@yannick-desktop> On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 19:18 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2008-05-18 11:30:08 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > No problem, and thanks for all of your work so far :) Hopefully we can > > take it forwards in the next few weeks with the ideas you've provided > > us with below. > > > > On a slightly related note, can I get a show of hands who can make > > tomorrow's meeting? > How about we just all reply with a yes/no (so that we can get a good > idea of how this time is in general)? > > I won't be able to make it. > > Thanks, > Ricky Unfortunately I will not be able to make it to tomorrow's meeting as I'll still be at the office at that time and won't be able to connect to IRC from there. My apologies in advance for not being able to make it. Regards, Yannick (ylynfatt) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Mon May 19 00:50:09 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:50:09 -0400 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: <1211149194.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805171244y451c4bd3s45eb1d9d4aab1ada@mail.gmail.com> <1211149194.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 20:44 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I think i wont be able to attend this meeting (and maybe i wont be able > to attend any other for the next month or so) so first i want to > apologize for leaving things for now. Ah, well, come back when you can, we'll miss you. > As you can see in the Tasks list I'm involved with two different task, > one the get-fedora really went forward and Craig and i did something > that might still need to be discussed, so i should let him be in charge > of this if he agrees. About the get-fedora page? sure, I'll continue work :-} see you soon and good luck with school. -- Craig Thomas From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Mon May 19 00:56:28 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:56:28 -0400 Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805181530r4a0fb15er506618498a1f5373@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805171244y451c4bd3s45eb1d9d4aab1ada@mail.gmail.com> <1211149194.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805181530r4a0fb15er506618498a1f5373@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/5/18 Juan Camilo Prada : >> On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 20:44 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On a slightly related note, can I get a show of hands who can make > tomorrow's meeting? +1; I plan to be there, however it is during my $dayjob hours, so my plans could be altered if something is burning :-/ Cheers, -- Craig From craigt at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 01:16:00 2008 From: craigt at fedoraproject.org (Craig Thomas) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:16:00 -0400 Subject: bad dl link or file.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/5/18 : > Tried to download fedora-9-ppc-DVD.iso .. Download begins, but its reported > as 116 MB in size... much too small for a DVD... someone needs to fix > that.. also, is this the one i dl for ps3? Do you happen to know which mirror you tried? we don't control the actual mirrors, but certainly want to know about any issues users are having. I have no idea about your ps3 question, please see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate For further help. Cheers, -- Craig Thomas From ianweller at gmail.com Mon May 19 03:00:08 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:00:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805171244y451c4bd3s45eb1d9d4aab1ada@mail.gmail.com> <1211149194.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805181530r4a0fb15er506618498a1f5373@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 May 2008, Craig Thomas wrote: > +1; I plan to be there, however it is during my $dayjob hours, so my > plans could be altered if something is burning :-/ > I should be able to make it. -- ian From eda at waniasset.com Mon May 19 11:03:30 2008 From: eda at waniasset.com (Ed Avis) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:03:30 +0100 Subject: Wiki login error Message-ID: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC27F21@wcl-exc.wcl.local> I went to and followed the link 'log in' to . I entered a username and password and submitted the form. It took me to which has the error message: Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request POST /wiki/YumUpgradeFaq. Reason: Error reading from remote server Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) Server at fedoraproject.org Port 443 ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon May 19 13:39:24 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:39:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Next meeting - 2000 UTC Monday 19th April? In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805100826x54cba0c6y6c02046009f62690@mail.gmail.com> <20080510203156.GK26815@Max> <507738ef0805110836h3d11c8d3jcbfc07ed5e243fce@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805141515g264df2e7uf118e1458e8e552a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805171244y451c4bd3s45eb1d9d4aab1ada@mail.gmail.com> <1211149194.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805181530r4a0fb15er506618498a1f5373@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 May 2008, Ian Weller wrote: > On Sun, 18 May 2008, Craig Thomas wrote: > > > +1; I plan to be there, however it is during my $dayjob hours, so my > > plans could be altered if something is burning :-/ > > > I should be able to make it. -- ian > I can make that. -Mike From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon May 19 13:48:06 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:48:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Wiki login error In-Reply-To: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC27F21@wcl-exc.wcl.local> References: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC27F21@wcl-exc.wcl.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 2008, Ed Avis wrote: > I went to and followed the link 'log in' to . I entered a username and password and submitted the form. It took me to which has the error message: > > Proxy Error > > The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. > The proxy server could not handle the request POST /wiki/YumUpgradeFaq. > > Reason: Error reading from remote server > > Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) Server at fedoraproject.org Port 443 > This is a known error and is the result of poor design choices in Moin (our wiki software) We'll be switching to a different wiki next week. In the meantime all you can do is keep trying or try again during off-peak hours. -Mike From danishka at gmail.com Mon May 19 17:16:37 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:46:37 +0530 Subject: Get-Fedora page Message-ID: Hi guys, Pls check attached screenshots here with. I think there is a wrong in the http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora page. Regards, -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com (use Sinhala Unicode fonts) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ????????.png Type: image/png Size: 139553 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ????????-1.png Type: image/png Size: 116841 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ????????-2.png Type: image/png Size: 129223 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 17:35:07 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:35:07 +0100 Subject: Tonight's meeting Message-ID: <507738ef0805191035j36cac2cfy31ffc36e03e952fc@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, If you can't make tonight's meeting but have made progress on any of the open tasks, do you think you could drop a quick note here to let us know what's going down? This might help us to keep the ball rolling a bit :) Sorry for the late message! Best, Jon From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 17:49:16 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:49:16 -0400 Subject: Tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805191035j36cac2cfy31ffc36e03e952fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805191035j36cac2cfy31ffc36e03e952fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080519174916.GE3540@Max> On 2008-05-19 06:35:07 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > If you can't make tonight's meeting but have made progress on any of > the open tasks, do you think you could drop a quick note here to let > us know what's going down? This might help us to keep the ball rolling > a bit :) Just a reminder to bring up the licensing/policy about our CSS/templates, as mentioned at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00020.html Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From danishka at gmail.com Mon May 19 17:52:09 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 23:22:09 +0530 Subject: Get-Fedora page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Danishka Navin wrote: > Hi guys, > > Pls check attached screenshots here with. > I think there is a wrong in the http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedorapage. > > Regards, > -- > Danishka Navin > http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com (use Sinhala Unicode fonts) ?earlier all BitTorrent, Direct Download and Jigdo were placed horizontally but now its vertically and not comfortable for user. Is it only for me or for u all. I just now Installed F9 and no more Fx plug-ins with me. -- Danishka Navin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craigt at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 17:52:36 2008 From: craigt at fedoraproject.org (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:52:36 -0400 Subject: Get-Fedora page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/5/19 Danishka Navin : > Hi guys, > > Pls check attached screenshots here with. > I think there is a wrong in the http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora page. Hi there, Thank you for the e-mail, those are interesting screenshots. That is how get-fedora looks /degrades when the screen is not wide enough, or font size is increased significantly, neither of which seem to apply to your case? (what language is that, perhaps it's affecting the browser somehow?) I cannot reproduce this without doing one of those two things I mentioned...any one else able to reproduce this? -- Craig From eda at waniasset.com Mon May 19 13:58:05 2008 From: eda at waniasset.com (Ed Avis) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:58:05 +0100 Subject: Wiki login error References: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC27F21@wcl-exc.wcl.local> Message-ID: <1EC0234F7B1CA34BA1E99F48A817A1BDC27F2D@wcl-exc.wcl.local> >We'll be switching to a different wiki next week. Thanks, I'll try then! -- Ed Avis ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From kwade at redhat.com Mon May 19 19:09:26 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:09:26 -0700 Subject: Tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805191035j36cac2cfy31ffc36e03e952fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805191035j36cac2cfy31ffc36e03e952fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211224166.18933.129.camel@calliope.phig.org> I threw in an agenda item to discuss resources/tasks for next week's wiki migration. I didn't see it on the agenda or the current tasks list. thx - Karsten On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 18:35 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > If you can't make tonight's meeting but have made progress on any of > the open tasks, do you think you could drop a quick note here to let > us know what's going down? This might help us to keep the ball rolling > a bit :) > > Sorry for the late message! > > Best, > > Jon > -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Tue May 20 01:59:40 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:59:40 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list Message-ID: Hi all, I am looking for comments or concerns from the list as we work through the various sites in our effort to unify the various web site's themes: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/DomainsList I have weeded the above into rough groups, and I plan to start with the 'need love' group. I have not included any domain with at least a home page themed similar to fp.o in the sorting. However, I do note that fedorahosted or some other domain's subpages may be 'more important' to us than what I have here, so chime in if I am missing something, please. Need theme loving: http://planet.fedoraproject.org http://directory.fedoraproject.org http://docs.fedoraproject.org http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/ whats up with this? can we point this at Fedora_live_i386.iso ? ( a different mirror each request? ) http://download.fedoraproject.org/ I wonder about the next set, as per comments on this ticket dated 2007-08-11 15:49:08: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/55 http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/ http://www.smolts.org/ ? so, need fedora websites' hugs or not? Directory index ( would that be true if we had CSS? ) : http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org http://archives.fedoraproject.org/ 404s: http://fedoraproject.org.uk/ https://admin.fedoraproject.org/admin/ https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ Thanks, -- Craig From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Tue May 20 02:07:04 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:07:04 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: > 404s: > http://fedoraproject.org.uk/ > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/admin/ Bah! sorry, but updates works and does not 404 so I is included in the 'needs love' list: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue May 20 03:14:07 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:14:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: common theme for domain list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 2008, Craig Thomas wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/DomainsList > > I have weeded the above into rough groups, and I plan to start with > the 'need love' group. I have not included any domain with at least a > home page themed similar to fp.o in the sorting. However, I do note > that fedorahosted or some other domain's subpages may be 'more > important' to us than what I have here, so chime in if I am missing > something, please. > > Need theme loving: > > http://planet.fedoraproject.org > http://directory.fedoraproject.org > http://docs.fedoraproject.org > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/ > Fedora proper doesn't actually run directory.fedoraproject.org but I agree that should use our theme at least. > > whats up with this? can we point this at Fedora_live_i386.iso ? > ( a different mirror each request? ) > http://download.fedoraproject.org/ > > I wonder about the next set, as per comments on this ticket dated > 2007-08-11 15:49:08: > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/55 > > http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/ > http://www.smolts.org/ > > ? so, need fedora websites' hugs or not? > smolts.org was intentionally un-branded to try to foster support in other distros. > > Directory index ( would that be true if we had CSS? ) : > http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org > http://archives.fedoraproject.org/ > +1 to that. > 404s: > http://fedoraproject.org.uk/ > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/admin/ > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ > +1 to those. -Mike From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Tue May 20 05:02:55 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 01:02:55 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Mon, 19 May 2008, Craig Thomas wrote: >> Need theme loving: >> >> http://planet.fedoraproject.org http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html and patches to the static home pages and .css files attached. I bet this is built with some script, so patches will need to be adapted I am sure. Cheers, -- Craig -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: planet_css.patch Type: application/octet-stream Size: 6130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: planet_markup.patch Type: application/octet-stream Size: 299301 bytes Desc: not available URL: From a.badger at gmail.com Tue May 20 05:13:58 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:13:58 -0700 Subject: common theme for domain list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48325E16.9010007@gmail.com> Craig Thomas wrote: > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: >> 404s: >> http://fedoraproject.org.uk/ >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/admin/ > > Bah! sorry, but updates works and does not 404 so I is included in > the 'needs love' list: >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ > These are all the sites I know of under admin.fp.o: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mirrormanager https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts There's also: https://translate.fedoraproject.org/ Doing these as a whole group is important for more than one reason. In addition to the look and feel aspect, having a css model in common will let parts be interchanged with other sites easier (for instance, myfedora). -Toshio From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue May 20 15:33:49 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:33:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Metrics and the banners Message-ID: People often come to me with metric questions, how hard will it be to track the number of clicks we're getting via our banner system? (like forwarding to a link that forwards somewhere else. -Mike From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Tue May 20 19:14:27 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:14:27 -0400 Subject: 2008-05-19 meeting log Message-ID: May 19 15:59:31 ok, websites meeting :) May 19 15:59:44 * JonRob remembers to enable logging! May 19 15:59:48 * abadger1999 (n=abadger1 at 136.245.7.181) has joined #fedora-meeting May 19 15:59:55 May 19 16:00:00 can i get a roll call please? May 19 16:00:10 * ianweller May 19 16:00:16 * juank_prada here May 19 16:00:21 * wolfy (n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("I can't figure out why women adore babies... especially since they leak at both ends!") May 19 16:00:23 * epkphoto here May 19 16:00:32 Pong. May 19 16:00:53 * giarc_w pong May 19 16:01:01 let's see if mmcgrath is around too May 19 16:01:04 * mmcgrath here May 19 16:01:10 heh perfect :) May 19 16:01:18 JonRob: I always log this channel so if you ever need it ping me :) May 19 16:01:24 cool May 19 16:01:25 thanks May 19 16:01:32 right, have people seen the agenda? May 19 16:01:37 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings May 19 16:01:59 * ianweller launches firefox... May 19 16:02:27 * rdieter is now known as rdieter_away May 19 16:02:48 * abadger1999 here May 19 16:03:04 * quaid is here May 19 16:03:09 perfect timing May 19 16:03:15 we're just about to cover wiki migration May 19 16:03:20 yeah, didn't mean to be rude about putting that at the top :) May 19 16:03:22 care to fill us in quaid? May 19 16:03:33 * notting (n=notting at redhat/notting) has left #fedora-meeting ("Ex-Chat") May 19 16:03:34 well, the time has come to jettison Moin May 19 16:03:41 np, (almost) anything goes on my watch! May 19 16:03:43 harray \o/ May 19 16:03:43 currently planned for next Tuesday. May 19 16:03:46 and next Tuesday 2008-05-27 we are migrating to MediaWiki May 19 16:03:57 what still needs to be done? May 19 16:03:57 so May 19 16:04:18 mmcgrath: can you help steer us to what Websites is up to for this migration? May 19 16:04:33 I know Ricky et al have been all over it, but wider coverage with more resources is a good thing May 19 16:04:55 Yeah May 19 16:05:08 so the biggest problem is going to be fixing the syntax issues that came up from the migration script. May 19 16:05:12 mostly formatting. May 19 16:05:29 Its important to get the word out and look around at our commonly hit pages, etc. May 19 16:05:37 i'm working on project page headers May 19 16:05:42 common bugs etc/overview etc? May 19 16:05:44 ianweller and ricky have been working on a better mediawiki theme and look (they're excellent) May 19 16:05:52 JonRob: correct. May 19 16:05:58 _HOPEFULLY_ no content went missing. May 19 16:06:08 but with thousands and thousands of pages its hard to say for sure. May 19 16:06:16 so just in case the old wiki will be left up for a year. May 19 16:06:24 if anything we'll have a read-only copy of the old moin up May 19 16:06:27 it'll be read only, so you can always switch over to how it should look. May 19 16:06:42 we'll have a robots.txt to make sure that search engines don't pick it up. May 19 16:06:51 and we'll be monitoring the logs to make sure people aren't linking to it. May 19 16:07:28 ok May 19 16:07:42 so beyond pestering people to look, i saw quaid blogged earlier May 19 16:07:56 yeah, get the word out. May 19 16:08:09 are there any other concrete tasks that need doing? May 19 16:08:10 the directory structure won't really change in this transistion, right May 19 16:08:13 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ will still point to the websites page is assume May 19 16:08:20 also ping me, ianweller or ricky about stuff that doesn't seem right. like if a page didn't come up or something with the actual wiki software seems broken. May 19 16:08:31 and one thing to note is the split of ownership in the future, in terms of content, org, and such May 19 16:08:34 epkphoto: correct, you can play for yourself at https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ May 19 16:08:50 quaid: how's that planned to go? May 19 16:08:51 in that Docs is stepping up to garden the wiki May 19 16:08:59 yay for docs :) May 19 16:09:04 anybody have any issues with the sidebar links? May 19 16:09:42 that means setting how things could be so other groups follow it in the places they own/steward May 19 16:09:54 i plan over the next week to pile through every page on the wiki and make necessary addendums to ticket 31... May 19 16:09:57 and making room for a hopefully big influx of people who help solve end-user problems May 19 16:10:23 The content of the links looks good, i think....could the sidebar width be reduced, or does i18n prevent that? May 19 16:10:53 the sidebar width is exactly that of the main pages May 19 16:11:14 ah, okay May 19 16:11:17 footer notes overlaps if browser isnt maximized May 19 16:11:35 juank_prada: yeah i might fix that May 19 16:11:44 I've been pondering this idea of 'ownership' and wondering if we want to make it more prominent May 19 16:11:49 lots of stuff crammed into the footer :/ May 19 16:11:54 also, the Talk functionality can be useful if it doesn't fill with spam. May 19 16:11:57 ianweller, good :) May 19 16:12:15 like, do we want to have a badge on a page that highlights who 'owns May 19 16:12:17 the page? May 19 16:12:26 and is there a way to do that in an automagic way v. manual maintenance? May 19 16:12:30 quaid: could we use the wiki banners that the art team have done? May 19 16:12:33 It still shows CC-BY-SA. Were we going to change that? May 19 16:12:44 ivazquez: yeah, we need to change that :/ May 19 16:13:09 what license are wechanging it to? May 19 16:13:12 JonRob: like that, yes ... May 19 16:13:13 ivazquez: yeah. May 19 16:13:15 * ianweller 's spacebar is borked :< May 19 16:13:20 so a page is owned by: a person, a SIG, a subproject May 19 16:13:21 * fugolini (n=francesc at host56-184-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has left #fedora-meeting May 19 16:13:25 ianweller: we'll be leaving the license alone. May 19 16:13:26 ivazquez: OPL May 19 16:13:40 sorry, that was ianweller May 19 16:14:06 quaid: i think this is definitely a good idea May 19 16:14:21 i'm not sure about down to the level of an individual May 19 16:14:21 what I'm thinking of might be a plugin? May 19 16:14:27 once again, i'm getting the subproject headers setup. May 19 16:14:28 but certainly sub-project/sig May 19 16:14:33 and could be implemented over time May 19 16:14:40 in terms of automagic, that is May 19 16:15:07 ok, so obviously this is something that docs and websites are going to have to work closely on in the future? May 19 16:15:11 yeah May 19 16:15:12 but then individual pages wouldnt have owner which at the end would make all those ownership not to good May 19 16:15:44 i wouldn't have individual ownership, ifa page needs to be owned by *one* user they can make a subpage under User:username May 19 16:15:51 imho May 19 16:15:53 juank_prada: right, there is one reason for going to the individual level. May 19 16:16:05 * stickster actually hopes that ownership becomes an outmoded concept on the wiki. May 19 16:16:11 I'm not sure, haven't thought it through May 19 16:16:17 stickster: now hold on son! May 19 16:16:20 stickster: agreed +1000000 May 19 16:16:21 ;) May 19 16:16:24 stickster: we don't have the concept right now May 19 16:16:39 * stickster thinking in terms of more authoring hands. May 19 16:16:52 do you think that badging a page will deter contributions? May 19 16:17:07 badging as in... individual, or a subproject? May 19 16:17:16 whatever, really May 19 16:17:23 The former more than the latter I think May 19 16:17:26 if it feels like an individual is a problem, call it SIG/subproj May 19 16:17:32 badging would make information more reliable imho May 19 16:17:49 I'm thinking of accountability, mainly May 19 16:18:03 I want to be able to run a tool that can detect when a page last lost sponsorship and become orphaned May 19 16:18:05 i think what would makeinformation more reliable is if it is actually reliable, per se ;) May 19 16:18:10 maybe sponsor is the better terminology May 19 16:18:13 ah May 19 16:18:19 ah! May 19 16:18:28 whoever owns the page, who cares? its what's in the page that matters. May 19 16:18:42 ianweller: several factors: May 19 16:18:43 if an edit needs to be made, i don't think you need to contact the owner, unless its policy May 19 16:18:47 I'm thinking in terms of being a total new person with a yen to edit. I get my FAS2 setup, click over to the wiki and... "This page owned by John Public." May 19 16:18:49 1. too few people relied upon to watch the entire wiki May 19 16:18:58 2. possibility that page changes fall between the cracks May 19 16:19:10 3. some places get lots of watchers, others fewer May 19 16:19:10 n00b .oO {Oops, is it still OK for me to edit?} May 19 16:19:22 stickster: right! May 19 16:19:40 how about, "This page is sponsored by the Astronomy SIG, please contact them if you have any questions while editing." May 19 16:20:00 quaid: i think that's perfect May 19 16:20:00 sounds good to me May 19 16:20:04 can we do that in so it doesn't show up on the page? May 19 16:20:06 for people visitng the page that's all they need to know May 19 16:20:14 only while they'reediting? May 19 16:20:18 As long as we are empowering people to "be bold." May 19 16:20:21 * ianweller hates this spacebar May 19 16:20:21 ianweller: that's another possibility, sure; i see that value May 19 16:20:22 what's more important imho is that the sig/individual who owns it stays on top of their content May 19 16:20:37 JonRob: +1 May 19 16:20:38 and keeps an eye to know that it's accurate/up-to date May 19 16:20:51 JonRob: right, so it is a SIG role "the Documentor" who watches those pages for certain, and makes sure other SIG members do too May 19 16:21:10 quaid: yeah pretty much May 19 16:21:34 Side note to you guys, you should be able to actually log in to the wiki now at https://publictest2.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ with your FAS username and password. May 19 16:21:34 so, then, the reason for having it visible in the read-only side May 19 16:21:46 is to advertise that this is not abandoned content, etc. ... give it credibility May 19 16:22:00 quaid: that's a cool idea May 19 16:22:09 a big problem on the wiki now is knowing what's recent May 19 16:22:11 fwiw, I would like automagic that put it in the edit notes, too, so one didn't have to reload if you forget :) May 19 16:22:30 thats what i was thinking about reliability :P May 19 16:22:32 ok...so with this in mind May 19 16:22:41 * quaid sees Tasks being added ... May 19 16:22:42 is there something we can pull out of this to put on a task list :p May 19 16:22:46 :D May 19 16:22:47 * fbijlsma has quit ("Leaving") May 19 16:22:47 lol yes May 19 16:23:01 would you like to add it and take ownership for it? May 19 16:23:04 * research MW plugin to manage page sponsorship May 19 16:23:06 quaid that is May 19 16:23:26 * visible badges to show sponsorship and make people feel empowered/emboldened and not afraid to edit May 19 16:23:27 mmcgrath: so when users log in with FAS, will we still have separate wiki accounts, or will that be a things of the past? May 19 16:23:27 cool...if all are happy, shall we move on to the next agenda item? May 19 16:23:32 i don't think we need an extension. extensions just make things messy, we could just use a template. May 19 16:23:40 something like {{sponsor|Ian Weller}} May 19 16:23:49 * ianweller can write one fastlike May 19 16:23:55 * process to get SIGs/Subprojs to sponsor pages May 19 16:24:04 epkphoto: a thing of the past. May 19 16:24:09 cool May 19 16:24:19 ianweller: interesting; we should talk about that out of the meeting :D May 19 16:24:25 JonRob: those are the tasks I see May 19 16:24:35 ok quaid: are you happy to own those? May 19 16:24:46 one for a designer, one for me (research plugin), and one for ... well, who "owns" sponsorship? May 19 16:24:49 is that a Docs thing ? May 19 16:24:59 i would have thought so May 19 16:25:02 research plugin == me + ianweller I hope :D May 19 16:25:05 in a wiki gardening role May 19 16:25:06 ok sure May 19 16:25:21 ok, I'll handle/delegate that one May 19 16:25:24 i'll add them to the tasks list and ping the art list following the meeting to hunt down a designer owner May 19 16:25:27 are you editing the tasks page? May 19 16:25:29 thx ! May 19 16:25:31 not now May 19 16:25:43 ok, I'll let you add them to not get too many chefs in the soupcon May 19 16:25:43 right...next item! May 19 16:25:47 rock! May 19 16:26:13 let's review the stuff that's on the task list now and see if people have progressed over the week, what we can do to help out etc! May 19 16:26:23 (woah, i def use too many "!") May 19 16:26:38 !!!!! May 19 16:26:41 * quaid wasn't teasing, he swears it's so! May 19 16:26:57 Juan and Craig, how have things gone with get-fedora lately? May 19 16:27:15 nothing new to report, from me May 19 16:27:39 any questions or things you'd like help with? May 19 16:27:59 and any possibility of getting a date set for a draft version that we could start thinking about implementing? May 19 16:28:15 * stickster high-fives mmcgrath May 19 16:29:04 well, i wonder if we are even on the right track with the work we have started, considering we are going to be pushing the i386live cd iso ? May 19 16:29:32 what do people think? May 19 16:29:59 i personally thought that if we refined the language we had a pretty good direction May 19 16:30:10 * JonRob looks for link May 19 16:30:19 not sure about what craig have done.. ive been quite busy this week so i havent had the chance to work on that May 19 16:30:19 thing is so far we have working and fancy get-fedora section May 19 16:30:25 the "fancy" animations can quickly be removed and we would end up with something similar to what opensuse's webiste has right now May 19 16:30:30 which is a 3 steps selection that i still think is a good thing to do for new users May 19 16:30:39 right May 19 16:30:56 * juank_prada has quit ("Leaving") May 19 16:30:58 the 'bling' can just be removed, and the basic idea is the same May 19 16:31:09 * juank_prada (n=juanky at 200.114.38.35) has joined #fedora-meeting May 19 16:31:17 even toned down bling could be a nice touch i think May 19 16:31:23 http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora May 19 16:31:37 sorry... wireless here is not that good May 19 16:31:39 did i miss something? May 19 16:31:56 nothing really, no May 19 16:32:04 ok, looking at it for myself May 19 16:32:15 actually, wrong link: sorry May 19 16:32:18 this is the latest: May 19 16:32:19 http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-drafts/get-fedora.html May 19 16:32:36 * JonRob looks at latest May 19 16:32:52 maybe next to "32 bit PC" we'll want to put "Normal Laptop and desktop computers) May 19 16:33:01 +1 May 19 16:33:01 mmcgrath: +1 May 19 16:33:04 +1 May 19 16:33:07 yeah, the language def needs help May 19 16:33:13 a few simple changes to the language will make it much more newb friendly May 19 16:33:18 hey is there an easy way to check what bit processor you have on windows/mac? May 19 16:33:26 (mac with intel) May 19 16:33:58 mac would be using x86_64... arent all those using intel core 2 duo? May 19 16:34:04 beyond that, if we toned down the bling and made the fonts a bit smaller May 19 16:34:09 i think we've got something good here May 19 16:34:21 juank_prada: i know that the ubuntu CDs have little labels saying what processor types go with what architechture May 19 16:34:23 JonRob, font issue is fixed with current fp.o site May 19 16:34:26 iirc May 19 16:34:27 ok cool May 19 16:34:29 (hm, the latest code is not there i guess...users could 'go back' and click previous steps and begin from that step) May 19 16:34:33 I think we shouldn't shy away from telling people to use i386 even though they have an x86_64 box. May 19 16:34:52 Kind of as a "if they don't know, just do i386" May 19 16:35:02 yeah May 19 16:35:02 hmm. i think instead of having a vertical approach to doing that, why don't we do a horizontal slide, if we're using javascript anyway? May 19 16:35:28 so maybe at the start of the page we could have a "not sure? download this" link May 19 16:35:29 mmcgrath, right, exactly...if they don't know we know it works May 19 16:35:32 horizontal isn that great.. what if you need a click on the left nav menu May 19 16:35:37 along with a mirror list link for the pros May 19 16:35:51 I'm not sure how to word that. Its hard to say something like that in few words that will be translatable. May 19 16:35:54 and then we could jump into the automated choose your own adventure style for those who are in between May 19 16:35:57 juank_prada: what i'm thinking of is somethingl ike this, at the bottom of the page-- http://my.deviantart.com/services/#subscription May 19 16:36:42 JonRob, i think we should first settle thing about the top ten things to do with the website before focusing on get-fedora May 19 16:36:47 except more progressive, not tab-like May 19 16:37:06 ianweller, oh i se.. nice thing :) May 19 16:37:27 juank_prada May 19 16:37:38 i believe we were carrying both these tasks in parallel May 19 16:37:48 but nobody stepped up as owner for the new look and feel task May 19 16:37:54 * mmcgrath brb, phone May 19 16:38:07 but, i agree you have a point here May 19 16:38:26 we need artists for new look and feel, no ? May 19 16:38:37 yeah, i was hoping mizmo would be here today May 19 16:39:00 everyone saw this post right: May 19 16:39:00 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00094.html May 19 16:39:01 * ianweller could maybe do something. May 19 16:39:16 just quickly before we move on May 19 16:39:21 yeah May 19 16:39:26 thats what im talking about May 19 16:39:29 can i poll people on there thoughts on get-fedora May 19 16:39:53 is this a task that's worth progressing with before we have the new look and feel in place? May 19 16:40:18 if we are making changes to other sections like the front page... we might end up with a one click download in there so it wont be necesary to do it again in the get-fedora May 19 16:40:24 * tibbs has quit ("Konversation terminated!") May 19 16:40:32 juank_prada May 19 16:40:33 juank_prada: except for the people who want more than one click :) May 19 16:40:47 and also that we're putting get.fedoraproject.org on cds and websties May 19 16:41:05 along with join.fedoraproject.org, i think these are the two main domains we agreed upon May 19 16:41:12 right, we do need a comprehensive get it page May 19 16:41:20 quaid, of course.. what i mean is... if we are showing the one click method in the front page it wont be needed in the get-fedora so we can focus on the long process May 19 16:41:23 * mmcgrath back May 19 16:41:41 juank_prada: still, we'll need some form of it May 19 16:41:44 i think we need a large banner that prompts the user to i686 gnome live CD on both the index page and get-fedora, since that's the most popular, and then on the index page a link to "more architechtures and downloads", and on get-fedora, its just right there ina javascript selector under that May 19 16:41:46 for people who come via get.fp.o May 19 16:42:14 "more architectures, more choices" May 19 16:42:15 it seems safe to work on this task in parallel with the new look/feel May 19 16:42:22 abadger1999: +1 :D May 19 16:42:26 so long as everything is css themeable May 19 16:42:31 and compatible with the rest of fp.o May 19 16:42:55 the css is re-used already, we have just added javascript May 19 16:43:01 and not in the markup May 19 16:43:04 giarc_w: ok cool May 19 16:43:08 the only risk May 19 16:43:09 one .js file May 19 16:43:16 is if the new look forces horiz or vert May 19 16:43:18 :) May 19 16:43:28 * quaid is quiet now May 19 16:43:32 ok... May 19 16:43:48 the markup so far is simple
    s , so they should flow with new page layouts May 19 16:44:20 i'm happy to leave this with juank_prada and giarc_w for now May 19 16:44:27 and come back to it again next week May 19 16:44:34 i know we haven't made a lot of definite progress May 19 16:44:38 * cyberpear (n=cyberpea at pool-71-191-60-156.washdc.east.verizon.net) has joined #fedora-meeting May 19 16:44:53 but i'm not we're likely to achieve much more in here May 19 16:45:04 better to discuss on the list, brainstorm more ideas May 19 16:45:10 and keep trying until we find something we like? May 19 16:45:27 yeap that sounds good we cant decide based only on one idea May 19 16:45:27 and perhaps blog it on planet, and get feed back from plenty of other people too May 19 16:46:06 if it's OK then, we'll move on? May 19 16:46:14 ok with me May 19 16:46:25 although i fear we're going to end up with a similar discussion next May 19 16:46:27 giarc_w, would you work on mizmo's desgin (the one showed in a paper) ? and i start working on something else to show? May 19 16:46:53 juank_prada: did you make progress with a list of items that we need to do to create a spins.fp.o site? May 19 16:46:57 the .pdf she scanned in from a her notebook ? :) May 19 16:47:03 yes May 19 16:47:05 i will May 19 16:47:14 giarc_w, great :) May 19 16:47:37 JonRob, well i wrote a note to the ml asking some questions that need to be answered imho May 19 16:47:44 * JonRob notes he has a 2100 cut-off, looks for somebody else who's willing to lead when i vanish May 19 16:47:52 juank_prada: i saw that May 19 16:48:06 shall we pick this point up on the list then following the meeting? May 19 16:48:31 if we start the ball rolling, others are sure to join in the conversation :) May 19 16:48:31 thing is.. we need to answer that in order to start working on a script to build the site or something else May 19 16:48:48 juank_prada: that's cool, we'll take it from there then May 19 16:49:04 as right now i cant seem that we have a clear idea on what to do with spinis May 19 16:49:30 shall we move on? May 19 16:49:39 yeap May 19 16:49:46 ricky's not here May 19 16:50:04 so giarc_w - did you have a chance to think about the domain list and a common look and feel May 19 16:50:17 or are we going to hold on this until we have new look and feel (tm) in place May 19 16:50:52 JonRob, ricky wanted us to talk about licensing/policy about templatings and CSS May 19 16:51:02 juank_prada - yep we're getting there May 19 16:51:05 it's on the agenda :) May 19 16:51:23 oh.. sorry ^^ May 19 16:51:38 i have, but have no progress on actual work yet May 19 16:52:03 * tw2113 (n=tw2113 at host-194-154-111-24.midco.net) has joined #fedora-meeting May 19 16:52:09 ok no problem, we'll revisit this next week too then? May 19 16:52:16 yes please :) May 19 16:52:24 michaelbeckwith present and accounted for sir *salutes* May 19 16:52:41 right, last on tasks is the new look and feel May 19 16:52:46 (hey tw2113 :)) May 19 16:53:18 is somebody willing to take this up and chase it with art to get a definite plan in place? May 19 16:53:20 i wanted to be here and on time, but had someone show up late, so i got to cover and whatnot May 19 16:53:28 np May 19 16:54:18 JonRob, i thin mizmo is working on some usability test to start working on look and feel of the site May 19 16:54:30 but it would be better to ask her May 19 16:54:34 ok cool - i'll try and follow up with her May 19 16:54:42 * viking-ice_ (n=johannbg at 85-220-82-146.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is) has joined #fedora-meeting May 19 16:54:53 and i'll parse that conversation and get it into a comprehensible form! May 19 16:55:18 oh gosh we're only half way through the agenda! May 19 16:55:32 link plz May 19 16:55:41 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings May 19 16:55:43 i have to go May 19 16:55:58 can i ask someone to take over for me? May 19 16:56:34 * giarc_w needs to head to a meeting in 5, maybe if we are only .5 way, we continue next week ? May 19 16:56:50 show of hands? May 19 16:57:05 some of the stuff is going to be a pretty invovled discusion May 19 16:57:08 some will be much quicker May 19 16:57:13 +1 continue next week May 19 16:57:16 and at least one item can go entirely! May 19 16:57:25 +1 if we can get the license question sorted now ? May 19 16:57:35 +1, agree with giarc_w May 19 16:57:41 can someone take that for me....really have to run! May 19 16:57:46 i'll keep logging May 19 16:57:46 ok May 19 16:57:52 and post minutes etc tomorrow May 19 16:57:55 thanks JonRob May 19 16:57:58 np May 19 16:58:00 I need to run as well, May 19 16:58:01 thanks for coming all May 19 16:58:05 bye!! May 19 16:58:09 bye :) May 19 16:58:10 so, what license is our websites code under ? May 19 16:58:33 we have had more than one question on the m-l and from users wanting to use the code May 19 16:58:48 we should also have that info on the site, should we not ? May 19 16:59:03 well, the static pages say, "All Rights Reserved." May 19 16:59:14 it should be in the footer or in the Legal link May 19 16:59:22 or both May 19 16:59:50 "We are working on licensing the texts of this website. Texts contributed after 2006-02-19 or by members of the EditGroup are licensed under the terms of the Open Publication License v1.0 without options, except where otherwise noted. All other content is not licensed for copying or redistribution, except where otherwise noted." May 19 16:59:54 well.. coyright isnt exactly for templating ist it? May 19 16:59:56 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal May 19 17:00:30 why is the legal note in the wiki too? May 19 17:00:46 because i put it there May 19 17:00:51 * abadger1999 (n=abadger1 at 136.245.7.181) has left #fedora-meeting May 19 17:01:00 should wedo something different? May 19 17:01:02 ok, well does the word 'Text' cover our markup/css/js ? May 19 17:01:27 i read that as content, not code, but i have no idea with such matters May 19 17:01:29 shouldnt it be a static page along with the rest of the site to be translated too? May 19 17:01:44 * epkphoto has quit () May 19 17:01:47 i don't think markup/css can be copyrighted, personally May 19 17:01:58 its code, code can be copyrighted May 19 17:02:04 sure it can May 19 17:02:05 * abadger1999 (n=abadger1 at 136.245.7.181) has joined #fedora-meeting May 19 17:02:06 giarc_w, i think that are two different things... one is the code and another is the content shown May 19 17:02:13 one of the best ways to learn and be inspired is by looking at the markup and whatnot of others May 19 17:02:14 juank_prada, right May 19 17:02:32 tw2113: you can be 'inspired' without breaking copyright, most of thetime ;) May 19 17:02:35 * epkphoto (n=epkphoto at 129.21.241.155) has joined #fedora-meeting May 19 17:02:37 and i am not sure that legal stmnt is covering both, is it ? May 19 17:02:46 dont think so May 19 17:02:52 it talks about content May 19 17:02:56 not code or styles May 19 17:03:09 ok, so the short answer seems to be 'we don't know' what license the code us under? May 19 17:03:22 you can copyright art, and html/css is in its own right 'art', so you can copyright html/css May 19 17:03:34 oh wait that's not the argument. May 19 17:03:35 * ianweller hides May 19 17:03:40 something i remember reading about in a legal type statement for freelancing, was the idea of a client trying to copyright an entire website, but the freelancer stated that he's going to take the code stuff with him and modify as he saw fit, or something, for other projects he gets May 19 17:04:25 tw2113, is hard to copyright code in a website as pretty much all websites are coded the same way May 19 17:04:44 not worth the bother to try and copyright that part, if you ask me May 19 17:04:52 * nim-nim (n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim) has joined #fedora-meeting May 19 17:05:40 i remember someone letting know in the ml that the template could be used as a base ... May 19 17:06:37 yeah, the sentiment is share it, but i don't think we are explicit about that anywhere May 19 17:06:58 we should decide how to license that.... and just paste it into the legal notes May 19 17:07:28 isn't there something in the CLA about it? May 19 17:07:38 since everybody who contributed to it was under the CLA, afaik May 19 17:08:41 ok, can someone chase that ? and find out if 'fedora' has a license for the web sites code already and what it is? and if not, what that will be May 19 17:09:18 we should post the ml... marketing and websites somebody have to know May 19 17:09:19 i suspect the license is not our choice, but mandated by higherups May 19 17:09:25 right May 19 17:09:54 talk to RH legal? May 19 17:10:13 ...something like that i guess, i don't know who May 19 17:10:16 ianweller, sound a logic thing to do May 19 17:10:53 * giarc_w needs to get going, already late May 19 17:11:03 see you all later May 19 17:11:16 hmm May 19 17:11:25 well, the CLA is there as a fall back in the case of no license May 19 17:11:46 giarc_w, see you later :) May 19 17:11:50 and it grants a copyright license to do a bunch of stuff, and it applies to all contributions including the html/css most likely May 19 17:12:05 it would be better, IMO, to declare an actual license we prefer May 19 17:12:15 and as the originators of the code and runners of the project on fedorahosted.org May 19 17:12:28 afaik we can choose any license that is acceptable to Fedora. May 19 17:12:52 that is, licensing of upstream software is at the discretion of the actual upstream itself, which in this case is the Websites subproject, right? May 19 17:13:02 yeap May 19 17:13:24 I mean, we could go back and get approval from everyone in the chain, but it's arguable that the CLA covers that already, and if we don't choose a bad license ... May 19 17:13:24 so... shal we decide? May 19 17:13:36 well, looks like too many people are gone from this meeting May 19 17:13:48 but it could be resolved with an on list discussion May 19 17:14:24 alrite then... May 19 17:15:10 we should really end this meeting now and settle thing in the ml or next meeting... no progress es being made May 19 17:15:23 +1 May 19 17:15:28 +1 May 19 17:15:30 +1 May 19 17:15:31 (or talk to RH legal.) May 19 17:15:46 i figure that's the safest May 19 17:16:00 * mether has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) May 19 17:16:33 works for me May 19 17:17:04 ISTM that licensing of the web stuff is indeed Fedora's domain. Perhaps it should be brought up to the board? May 19 17:17:31 Hrm, wait. The web stuff falls under the CLA. May 19 17:17:41 Alright, RH legal it is. May 19 17:18:24 * nim-ni1 has quit (Connection timed out) May 19 17:20:36 * mether (n=ask at fedora/mether) has joined #fedora-meeting May 19 17:21:40 * juank_prada has quit ("Leaving") May 19 17:21:54 * juank_prada (n=juanky at 200.114.38.35) has joined #fedora-meeting May 19 17:23:06 ivazquez: by RH Legal, you mean what? May 19 17:23:56 We should figure out if it's possible to put the website layout under another license independent of the CLA. May 19 17:24:07 this is an interesting question, so far I think everyone has just picked a license. May 19 17:24:10 ah, possible. May 19 17:24:42 * quaid doesn't see why not but INAL May 19 17:24:52 Likewise. May 19 17:25:13 although the just lettiing anyone pick a license is how we ended up with the GNU FDL 1.0 *spit* on Fedora Docs May 19 17:25:22 * mdomsch has quit ("Leaving") May 19 17:25:37 If we can, then we should decide what to put it under and then let the board have the final yea or nay. May 19 17:25:56 so, we assign that to spot and ask him nicely to find out for us and bring back a license recommendation or requirement May 19 17:26:05 Agreed. May 19 17:26:19 * J5_ (n=quintice at nat/redhat-us/x-495ab33371d438ce) has joined #fedora-meeting May 19 17:26:19 * J5 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) May 19 17:27:50 Alright, I suppose we're done for now then. May 19 17:28:01 From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue May 20 19:46:21 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:46:21 +0100 Subject: 2008-05-19 meeting log In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0805201246s7ae6a6b2g2b37a41770fe4a6c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Craig, I was just about to post minutes too :) Best, Jon 2008/5/20 Craig Thomas : > May 19 15:59:31 ok, websites meeting :) > May 19 15:59:44 * JonRob remembers to enable logging! > May 19 15:59:48 * abadger1999 (n=abadger1 at 136.245.7.181) has joined > #fedora-meeting > May 19 15:59:55 > May 19 16:00:00 can i get a roll call please? > May 19 16:00:10 * ianweller > May 19 16:00:16 * juank_prada here > May 19 16:00:21 * wolfy (n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy) has left > #fedora-meeting ("I can't figure out why women adore babies... > especially since they leak at both ends!") > May 19 16:00:23 * epkphoto here > May 19 16:00:32 Pong. > May 19 16:00:53 * giarc_w pong > May 19 16:01:01 let's see if mmcgrath is around too > May 19 16:01:04 * mmcgrath here > May 19 16:01:10 heh perfect :) > May 19 16:01:18 JonRob: I always log this channel so if you > ever need it ping me :) > May 19 16:01:24 cool > May 19 16:01:25 thanks > May 19 16:01:32 right, have people seen the agenda? > May 19 16:01:37 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings > May 19 16:01:59 * ianweller launches firefox... > May 19 16:02:27 * rdieter is now known as rdieter_away > May 19 16:02:48 * abadger1999 here > May 19 16:03:04 * quaid is here > May 19 16:03:09 perfect timing > May 19 16:03:15 we're just about to cover wiki migration > May 19 16:03:20 yeah, didn't mean to be rude about putting > that at the top :) > May 19 16:03:22 care to fill us in quaid? > May 19 16:03:33 * notting (n=notting at redhat/notting) has left > #fedora-meeting ("Ex-Chat") > May 19 16:03:34 well, the time has come to jettison Moin > May 19 16:03:41 np, (almost) anything goes on my watch! > May 19 16:03:43 harray \o/ > May 19 16:03:43 currently planned for next Tuesday. > May 19 16:03:46 and next Tuesday 2008-05-27 we are migrating > to MediaWiki > May 19 16:03:57 what still needs to be done? > May 19 16:03:57 so > May 19 16:04:18 mmcgrath: can you help steer us to what > Websites is up to for this migration? > May 19 16:04:33 I know Ricky et al have been all over it, but > wider coverage with more resources is a good thing > May 19 16:04:55 Yeah > May 19 16:05:08 so the biggest problem is going to be > fixing the syntax issues that came up from the migration script. > May 19 16:05:12 mostly formatting. > May 19 16:05:29 Its important to get the word out and look > around at our commonly hit pages, etc. > May 19 16:05:37 i'm working on project page headers > May 19 16:05:42 common bugs etc/overview etc? > May 19 16:05:44 ianweller and ricky have been working on a > better mediawiki theme and look (they're excellent) > May 19 16:05:52 JonRob: correct. > May 19 16:05:58 _HOPEFULLY_ no content went missing. > May 19 16:06:08 but with thousands and thousands of pages > its hard to say for sure. > May 19 16:06:16 so just in case the old wiki will be left > up for a year. > May 19 16:06:24 if anything we'll have a read-only copy of > the old moin up > May 19 16:06:27 it'll be read only, so you can always > switch over to how it should look. > May 19 16:06:42 we'll have a robots.txt to make sure that > search engines don't pick it up. > May 19 16:06:51 and we'll be monitoring the logs to make > sure people aren't linking to it. > May 19 16:07:28 ok > May 19 16:07:42 so beyond pestering people to look, i saw > quaid blogged earlier > May 19 16:07:56 yeah, get the word out. > May 19 16:08:09 are there any other concrete tasks that need doing? > May 19 16:08:10 the directory structure won't really change > in this transistion, right > May 19 16:08:13 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ > will still point to the websites page is assume > May 19 16:08:20 also ping me, ianweller or ricky about > stuff that doesn't seem right. like if a page didn't come up or > something with the actual wiki software seems broken. > May 19 16:08:31 and one thing to note is the split of > ownership in the future, in terms of content, org, and such > May 19 16:08:34 epkphoto: correct, you can play for > yourself at https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ > May 19 16:08:50 quaid: how's that planned to go? > May 19 16:08:51 in that Docs is stepping up to garden the wiki > May 19 16:08:59 yay for docs :) > May 19 16:09:04 anybody have any issues with the sidebar links? > May 19 16:09:42 that means setting how things could be so > other groups follow it in the places they own/steward > May 19 16:09:54 i plan over the next week to pile through > every page on the wiki and make necessary addendums to ticket 31... > May 19 16:09:57 and making room for a hopefully big influx of > people who help solve end-user problems > May 19 16:10:23 The content of the links looks good, i > think....could the sidebar width be reduced, or does i18n prevent > that? > May 19 16:10:53 the sidebar width is exactly that of the main pages > May 19 16:11:14 ah, okay > May 19 16:11:17 footer notes overlaps if browser isnt maximized > May 19 16:11:35 juank_prada: yeah i might fix that > May 19 16:11:44 I've been pondering this idea of 'ownership' > and wondering if we want to make it more prominent > May 19 16:11:49 lots of stuff crammed into the footer :/ > May 19 16:11:54 also, the Talk functionality can be useful if > it doesn't fill with spam. > May 19 16:11:57 ianweller, good :) > May 19 16:12:15 like, do we want to have a badge on a page > that highlights who 'owns > May 19 16:12:17 the page? > May 19 16:12:26 and is there a way to do that in an automagic > way v. manual maintenance? > May 19 16:12:30 quaid: could we use the wiki banners that the > art team have done? > May 19 16:12:33 It still shows CC-BY-SA. Were we going to > change that? > May 19 16:12:44 ivazquez: yeah, we need to change that :/ > May 19 16:13:09 what license are wechanging it to? > May 19 16:13:12 JonRob: like that, yes ... > May 19 16:13:13 ivazquez: yeah. > May 19 16:13:15 * ianweller 's spacebar is borked :< > May 19 16:13:20 so a page is owned by: a person, a SIG, a subproject > May 19 16:13:21 * fugolini > (n=francesc at host56-184-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has > left #fedora-meeting > May 19 16:13:25 ianweller: we'll be leaving the license alone. > May 19 16:13:26 ivazquez: OPL > May 19 16:13:40 sorry, that was ianweller > May 19 16:14:06 quaid: i think this is definitely a good idea > May 19 16:14:21 i'm not sure about down to the level of an individual > May 19 16:14:21 what I'm thinking of might be a plugin? > May 19 16:14:27 once again, i'm getting the subproject > headers setup. > May 19 16:14:28 but certainly sub-project/sig > May 19 16:14:33 and could be implemented over time > May 19 16:14:40 in terms of automagic, that is > May 19 16:15:07 ok, so obviously this is something that docs > and websites are going to have to work closely on in the future? > May 19 16:15:11 yeah > May 19 16:15:12 but then individual pages wouldnt have > owner which at the end would make all those ownership not to good > May 19 16:15:44 i wouldn't have individual ownership, ifa > page needs to be owned by *one* user they can make a subpage under > User:username > May 19 16:15:51 imho > May 19 16:15:53 juank_prada: right, there is one reason for > going to the individual level. > May 19 16:16:05 * stickster actually hopes that ownership becomes an > outmoded concept on the wiki. > May 19 16:16:11 I'm not sure, haven't thought it through > May 19 16:16:17 stickster: now hold on son! > May 19 16:16:20 stickster: agreed +1000000 > May 19 16:16:21 ;) > May 19 16:16:24 stickster: we don't have the concept right now > May 19 16:16:39 * stickster thinking in terms of more authoring hands. > May 19 16:16:52 do you think that badging a page will deter > contributions? > May 19 16:17:07 badging as in... individual, or a subproject? > May 19 16:17:16 whatever, really > May 19 16:17:23 The former more than the latter I think > May 19 16:17:26 if it feels like an individual is a problem, > call it SIG/subproj > May 19 16:17:32 badging would make information more reliable imho > May 19 16:17:49 I'm thinking of accountability, mainly > May 19 16:18:03 I want to be able to run a tool that can > detect when a page last lost sponsorship and become orphaned > May 19 16:18:05 i think what would makeinformation more > reliable is if it is actually reliable, per se ;) > May 19 16:18:10 maybe sponsor is the better terminology > May 19 16:18:13 ah > May 19 16:18:19 ah! > May 19 16:18:28 whoever owns the page, who cares? its > what's in the page that matters. > May 19 16:18:42 ianweller: several factors: > May 19 16:18:43 if an edit needs to be made, i don't think > you need to contact the owner, unless its policy > May 19 16:18:47 I'm thinking in terms of being a total new > person with a yen to edit. I get my FAS2 setup, click over to the wiki > and... "This page owned by John Public." > May 19 16:18:49 1. too few people relied upon to watch the entire wiki > May 19 16:18:58 2. possibility that page changes fall between the cracks > May 19 16:19:10 3. some places get lots of watchers, others fewer > May 19 16:19:10 n00b .oO {Oops, is it still OK for me to edit?} > May 19 16:19:22 stickster: right! > May 19 16:19:40 how about, "This page is sponsored by the > Astronomy SIG, please contact them if you have any questions while > editing." > May 19 16:20:00 quaid: i think that's perfect > May 19 16:20:00 sounds good to me > May 19 16:20:04 can we do that in so it > doesn't show up on the page? > May 19 16:20:06 for people visitng the page that's all they > need to know > May 19 16:20:14 only while they'reediting? > May 19 16:20:18 As long as we are empowering people to "be bold." > May 19 16:20:21 * ianweller hates this spacebar > May 19 16:20:21 ianweller: that's another possibility, sure; i > see that value > May 19 16:20:22 what's more important imho is that the > sig/individual who owns it stays on top of their content > May 19 16:20:37 JonRob: +1 > May 19 16:20:38 and keeps an eye to know that it's accurate/up-to date > May 19 16:20:51 JonRob: right, so it is a SIG role "the > Documentor" who watches those pages for certain, and makes sure other > SIG members do too > May 19 16:21:10 quaid: yeah pretty much > May 19 16:21:34 Side note to you guys, you should be able > to actually log in to the wiki now at > https://publictest2.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ with your FAS username and > password. > May 19 16:21:34 so, then, the reason for having it visible in > the read-only side > May 19 16:21:46 is to advertise that this is not abandoned > content, etc. ... give it credibility > May 19 16:22:00 quaid: that's a cool idea > May 19 16:22:09 a big problem on the wiki now is knowing what's recent > May 19 16:22:11 fwiw, I would like automagic that put it in > the edit notes, too, so one didn't have to reload if you forget :) > May 19 16:22:30 thats what i was thinking about reliability :P > May 19 16:22:32 ok...so with this in mind > May 19 16:22:41 * quaid sees Tasks being added ... > May 19 16:22:42 is there something we can pull out of this to > put on a task list :p > May 19 16:22:46 :D > May 19 16:22:47 * fbijlsma has quit ("Leaving") > May 19 16:22:47 lol yes > May 19 16:23:01 would you like to add it and take ownership for it? > May 19 16:23:04 * research MW plugin to manage page sponsorship > May 19 16:23:06 quaid that is > May 19 16:23:26 * visible badges to show sponsorship and make > people feel empowered/emboldened and not afraid to edit > May 19 16:23:27 mmcgrath: so when users log in with FAS, > will we still have separate wiki accounts, or will that be a things of > the past? > May 19 16:23:27 cool...if all are happy, shall we move on to > the next agenda item? > May 19 16:23:32 i don't think we need an extension. > extensions just make things messy, we could just use a template. > May 19 16:23:40 something like {{sponsor|Ian Weller}} > May 19 16:23:49 * ianweller can write one fastlike > May 19 16:23:55 * process to get SIGs/Subprojs to sponsor pages > May 19 16:24:04 epkphoto: a thing of the past. > May 19 16:24:09 cool > May 19 16:24:19 ianweller: interesting; we should talk about > that out of the meeting :D > May 19 16:24:25 JonRob: those are the tasks I see > May 19 16:24:35 ok quaid: are you happy to own those? > May 19 16:24:46 one for a designer, one for me (research > plugin), and one for ... well, who "owns" sponsorship? > May 19 16:24:49 is that a Docs thing ? > May 19 16:24:59 i would have thought so > May 19 16:25:02 research plugin == me + ianweller I hope :D > May 19 16:25:05 in a wiki gardening role > May 19 16:25:06 ok sure > May 19 16:25:21 ok, I'll handle/delegate that one > May 19 16:25:24 i'll add them to the tasks list and ping the > art list following the meeting to hunt down a designer owner > May 19 16:25:27 are you editing the tasks page? > May 19 16:25:29 thx ! > May 19 16:25:31 not now > May 19 16:25:43 ok, I'll let you add them to not get too many > chefs in the soupcon > May 19 16:25:43 right...next item! > May 19 16:25:47 rock! > May 19 16:26:13 let's review the stuff that's on the task > list now and see if people have progressed over the week, what we can > do to help out etc! > May 19 16:26:23 (woah, i def use too many "!") > May 19 16:26:38 !!!!! > May 19 16:26:41 * quaid wasn't teasing, he swears it's so! > May 19 16:26:57 Juan and Craig, how have things gone with > get-fedora lately? > May 19 16:27:15 nothing new to report, from me > May 19 16:27:39 any questions or things you'd like help with? > May 19 16:27:59 and any possibility of getting a date set for > a draft version that we could start thinking about implementing? > May 19 16:28:15 * stickster high-fives mmcgrath > May 19 16:29:04 well, i wonder if we are even on the right > track with the work we have started, considering we are going to be > pushing the i386live cd iso ? > May 19 16:29:32 what do people think? > May 19 16:29:59 i personally thought that if we refined the > language we had a pretty good direction > May 19 16:30:10 * JonRob looks for link > May 19 16:30:19 not sure about what craig have done.. > ive been quite busy this week so i havent had the chance to work on > that > May 19 16:30:19 thing is so far we have working and > fancy get-fedora section > May 19 16:30:25 the "fancy" animations can quickly be > removed and we would end up with something similar to what opensuse's > webiste has right now > May 19 16:30:30 which is a 3 steps selection that i > still think is a good thing to do for new users > May 19 16:30:39 right > May 19 16:30:56 * juank_prada has quit ("Leaving") > May 19 16:30:58 the 'bling' can just be removed, and the > basic idea is the same > May 19 16:31:09 * juank_prada (n=juanky at 200.114.38.35) has joined > #fedora-meeting > May 19 16:31:17 even toned down bling could be a nice touch i think > May 19 16:31:23 http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-2/get-fedora > May 19 16:31:37 sorry... wireless here is not that good > May 19 16:31:39 did i miss something? > May 19 16:31:56 nothing really, no > May 19 16:32:04 ok, looking at it for myself > May 19 16:32:15 actually, wrong link: sorry > May 19 16:32:18 this is the latest: > May 19 16:32:19 > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora-drafts/get-fedora.html > May 19 16:32:36 * JonRob looks at latest > May 19 16:32:52 maybe next to "32 bit PC" we'll want to put > "Normal Laptop and desktop computers) > May 19 16:33:01 +1 > May 19 16:33:01 mmcgrath: +1 > May 19 16:33:04 +1 > May 19 16:33:07 yeah, the language def needs help > May 19 16:33:13 a few simple changes to the language will > make it much more newb friendly > May 19 16:33:18 hey is there an easy way to check what bit > processor you have on windows/mac? > May 19 16:33:26 (mac with intel) > May 19 16:33:58 mac would be using x86_64... arent all > those using intel core 2 duo? > May 19 16:34:04 beyond that, if we toned down the bling and > made the fonts a bit smaller > May 19 16:34:09 i think we've got something good here > May 19 16:34:21 juank_prada: i know that the ubuntu CDs > have little labels saying what processor types go with what > architechture > May 19 16:34:23 JonRob, font issue is fixed with current fp.o site > May 19 16:34:26 iirc > May 19 16:34:27 ok cool > May 19 16:34:29 (hm, the latest code is not there i > guess...users could 'go back' and click previous steps and begin from > that step) > May 19 16:34:33 I think we shouldn't shy away from telling > people to use i386 even though they have an x86_64 box. > May 19 16:34:52 Kind of as a "if they don't know, just do i386" > May 19 16:35:02 yeah > May 19 16:35:02 hmm. i think instead of having a vertical > approach to doing that, why don't we do a horizontal slide, if we're > using javascript anyway? > May 19 16:35:28 so maybe at the start of the page we could > have a "not sure? download this" link > May 19 16:35:29 mmcgrath, right, exactly...if they don't > know we know it works > May 19 16:35:32 horizontal isn that great.. what if you > need a click on the left nav menu > May 19 16:35:37 along with a mirror list link for the pros > May 19 16:35:51 I'm not sure how to word that. Its hard to > say something like that in few words that will be translatable. > May 19 16:35:54 and then we could jump into the automated > choose your own adventure style for those who are in between > May 19 16:35:57 juank_prada: what i'm thinking of is > somethingl ike this, at the bottom of the page-- > http://my.deviantart.com/services/#subscription > May 19 16:36:42 JonRob, i think we should first settle > thing about the top ten things to do with the website before focusing > on get-fedora > May 19 16:36:47 except more progressive, not tab-like > May 19 16:37:06 ianweller, oh i se.. nice thing :) > May 19 16:37:27 juank_prada > May 19 16:37:38 i believe we were carrying both these tasks in parallel > May 19 16:37:48 but nobody stepped up as owner for the new > look and feel task > May 19 16:37:54 * mmcgrath brb, phone > May 19 16:38:07 but, i agree you have a point here > May 19 16:38:26 we need artists for new look and feel, no ? > May 19 16:38:37 yeah, i was hoping mizmo would be here today > May 19 16:39:00 everyone saw this post right: > May 19 16:39:00 > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00094.html > May 19 16:39:01 * ianweller could maybe do something. > May 19 16:39:16 just quickly before we move on > May 19 16:39:21 yeah > May 19 16:39:26 thats what im talking about > May 19 16:39:29 can i poll people on there thoughts on get-fedora > May 19 16:39:53 is this a task that's worth progressing with > before we have the new look and feel in place? > May 19 16:40:18 if we are making changes to other > sections like the front page... we might end up with a one click > download in there so it wont be necesary to do it again in the > get-fedora > May 19 16:40:24 * tibbs has quit ("Konversation terminated!") > May 19 16:40:32 juank_prada > May 19 16:40:33 juank_prada: except for the people who want > more than one click :) > May 19 16:40:47 and also that we're putting > get.fedoraproject.org on cds and websties > May 19 16:41:05 along with join.fedoraproject.org, i think > these are the two main domains we agreed upon > May 19 16:41:12 right, we do need a comprehensive get it page > May 19 16:41:20 quaid, of course.. what i mean is... if > we are showing the one click method in the front page it wont be > needed in the get-fedora so we can focus on the long process > May 19 16:41:23 * mmcgrath back > May 19 16:41:41 juank_prada: still, we'll need some form of it > May 19 16:41:44 i think we need a large banner that > prompts the user to i686 gnome live CD on both the index page and > get-fedora, since that's the most popular, and then on the index page > a link to "more architechtures and downloads", and on get-fedora, its > just right there ina javascript selector under that > May 19 16:41:46 for people who come via get.fp.o > May 19 16:42:14 "more architectures, more choices" > May 19 16:42:15 it seems safe to work on this task in parallel > with the new look/feel > May 19 16:42:22 abadger1999: +1 :D > May 19 16:42:26 so long as everything is css themeable > May 19 16:42:31 and compatible with the rest of fp.o > May 19 16:42:55 the css is re-used already, we have just > added javascript > May 19 16:43:01 and not in the markup > May 19 16:43:04 giarc_w: ok cool > May 19 16:43:08 the only risk > May 19 16:43:09 one .js file > May 19 16:43:16 is if the new look forces horiz or vert > May 19 16:43:18 :) > May 19 16:43:28 * quaid is quiet now > May 19 16:43:32 ok... > May 19 16:43:48 the markup so far is simple
      s , so they > should flow with new page layouts > May 19 16:44:20 i'm happy to leave this with juank_prada and > giarc_w for now > May 19 16:44:27 and come back to it again next week > May 19 16:44:34 i know we haven't made a lot of definite progress > May 19 16:44:38 * cyberpear > (n=cyberpea at pool-71-191-60-156.washdc.east.verizon.net) has joined > #fedora-meeting > May 19 16:44:53 but i'm not we're likely to achieve much more in here > May 19 16:45:04 better to discuss on the list, brainstorm more ideas > May 19 16:45:10 and keep trying until we find something we like? > May 19 16:45:27 yeap that sounds good we cant decide > based only on one idea > May 19 16:45:27 and perhaps blog it on planet, and get feed > back from plenty of other people too > May 19 16:46:06 if it's OK then, we'll move on? > May 19 16:46:14 ok with me > May 19 16:46:25 although i fear we're going to end up with a > similar discussion next > May 19 16:46:27 giarc_w, would you work on mizmo's > desgin (the one showed in a paper) ? and i start working on something > else to show? > May 19 16:46:53 juank_prada: did you make progress with a > list of items that we need to do to create a spins.fp.o site? > May 19 16:46:57 the .pdf she scanned in from a her notebook ? :) > May 19 16:47:03 yes > May 19 16:47:05 i will > May 19 16:47:14 giarc_w, great :) > May 19 16:47:37 JonRob, well i wrote a note to the ml > asking some questions that need to be answered imho > May 19 16:47:44 * JonRob notes he has a 2100 cut-off, looks for > somebody else who's willing to lead when i vanish > May 19 16:47:52 juank_prada: i saw that > May 19 16:48:06 shall we pick this point up on the list then > following the meeting? > May 19 16:48:31 if we start the ball rolling, others are sure > to join in the conversation :) > May 19 16:48:31 thing is.. we need to answer that in > order to start working on a script to build the site or something else > May 19 16:48:48 juank_prada: that's cool, we'll take it from there then > May 19 16:49:04 as right now i cant seem that we have a > clear idea on what to do with spinis > May 19 16:49:30 shall we move on? > May 19 16:49:39 yeap > May 19 16:49:46 ricky's not here > May 19 16:50:04 so giarc_w - did you have a chance to think > about the domain list and a common look and feel > May 19 16:50:17 or are we going to hold on this until we have > new look and feel (tm) in place > May 19 16:50:52 JonRob, ricky wanted us to talk about > licensing/policy about templatings and CSS > May 19 16:51:02 juank_prada - yep we're getting there > May 19 16:51:05 it's on the agenda :) > May 19 16:51:23 oh.. sorry ^^ > May 19 16:51:38 i have, but have no progress on actual work yet > May 19 16:52:03 * tw2113 (n=tw2113 at host-194-154-111-24.midco.net) has > joined #fedora-meeting > May 19 16:52:09 ok no problem, we'll revisit this next week too then? > May 19 16:52:16 yes please :) > May 19 16:52:24 michaelbeckwith present and accounted for sir *salutes* > May 19 16:52:41 right, last on tasks is the new look and feel > May 19 16:52:46 (hey tw2113 :)) > May 19 16:53:18 is somebody willing to take this up and chase > it with art to get a definite plan in place? > May 19 16:53:20 i wanted to be here and on time, but had > someone show up late, so i got to cover and whatnot > May 19 16:53:28 np > May 19 16:54:18 JonRob, i thin mizmo is working on some > usability test to start working on look and feel of the site > May 19 16:54:30 but it would be better to ask her > May 19 16:54:34 ok cool - i'll try and follow up with her > May 19 16:54:42 * viking-ice_ > (n=johannbg at 85-220-82-146.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is) has joined > #fedora-meeting > May 19 16:54:53 and i'll parse that conversation and get it > into a comprehensible form! > May 19 16:55:18 oh gosh we're only half way through the agenda! > May 19 16:55:32 link plz > May 19 16:55:41 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings > May 19 16:55:43 i have to go > May 19 16:55:58 can i ask someone to take over for me? > May 19 16:56:34 * giarc_w needs to head to a meeting in 5, maybe if we > are only .5 way, we continue next week ? > May 19 16:56:50 show of hands? > May 19 16:57:05 some of the stuff is going to be a pretty > invovled discusion > May 19 16:57:08 some will be much quicker > May 19 16:57:13 +1 continue next week > May 19 16:57:16 and at least one item can go entirely! > May 19 16:57:25 +1 if we can get the license question sorted now ? > May 19 16:57:35 +1, agree with giarc_w > May 19 16:57:41 can someone take that for me....really have to run! > May 19 16:57:46 i'll keep logging > May 19 16:57:46 ok > May 19 16:57:52 and post minutes etc tomorrow > May 19 16:57:55 thanks JonRob > May 19 16:57:58 np > May 19 16:58:00 I need to run as well, > May 19 16:58:01 thanks for coming all > May 19 16:58:05 bye!! > May 19 16:58:09 bye :) > May 19 16:58:10 so, what license is our websites code under ? > May 19 16:58:33 we have had more than one question on the > m-l and from users wanting to use the code > May 19 16:58:48 we should also have that info on the site, > should we not ? > May 19 16:59:03 well, the static pages say, "All Rights Reserved." > May 19 16:59:14 it should be in the footer or in the Legal link > May 19 16:59:22 or both > May 19 16:59:50 "We are working on licensing the texts of > this website. Texts contributed after 2006-02-19 or by members of the > EditGroup are licensed under the terms of the Open Publication > License v1.0 without options, except where otherwise noted. All other > content is not licensed for copying or redistribution, except where > otherwise noted." > May 19 16:59:54 well.. coyright isnt exactly for > templating ist it? > May 19 16:59:56 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal > May 19 17:00:30 why is the legal note in the wiki too? > May 19 17:00:46 because i put it there > May 19 17:00:51 * abadger1999 (n=abadger1 at 136.245.7.181) has left > #fedora-meeting > May 19 17:01:00 should wedo something different? > May 19 17:01:02 ok, well does the word 'Text' cover our > markup/css/js ? > May 19 17:01:27 i read that as content, not code, but i have > no idea with such matters > May 19 17:01:29 shouldnt it be a static page along with > the rest of the site to be translated too? > May 19 17:01:44 * epkphoto has quit () > May 19 17:01:47 i don't think markup/css can be copyrighted, personally > May 19 17:01:58 its code, code can be copyrighted > May 19 17:02:04 sure it can > May 19 17:02:05 * abadger1999 (n=abadger1 at 136.245.7.181) has joined > #fedora-meeting > May 19 17:02:06 giarc_w, i think that are two different > things... one is the code and another is the content shown > May 19 17:02:13 one of the best ways to learn and be inspired > is by looking at the markup and whatnot of others > May 19 17:02:14 juank_prada, right > May 19 17:02:32 tw2113: you can be 'inspired' without > breaking copyright, most of thetime ;) > May 19 17:02:35 * epkphoto (n=epkphoto at 129.21.241.155) has joined > #fedora-meeting > May 19 17:02:37 and i am not sure that legal stmnt is > covering both, is it ? > May 19 17:02:46 dont think so > May 19 17:02:52 it talks about content > May 19 17:02:56 not code or styles > May 19 17:03:09 ok, so the short answer seems to be 'we > don't know' what license the code us under? > May 19 17:03:22 you can copyright art, and html/css is in > its own right 'art', so you can copyright html/css > May 19 17:03:34 oh wait that's not the argument. > May 19 17:03:35 * ianweller hides > May 19 17:03:40 something i remember reading about in a legal > type statement for freelancing, was the idea of a client trying to > copyright an entire website, but the freelancer stated that he's going > to take the code stuff with him and modify as he saw fit, or > something, for other projects he gets > May 19 17:04:25 tw2113, is hard to copyright code in a > website as pretty much all websites are coded the same way > May 19 17:04:44 not worth the bother to try and copyright > that part, if you ask me > May 19 17:04:52 * nim-nim (n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim) has joined #fedora-meeting > May 19 17:05:40 i remember someone letting know in the > ml that the template could be used as a base ... > May 19 17:06:37 yeah, the sentiment is share it, but i don't > think we are explicit about that anywhere > May 19 17:06:58 we should decide how to license that.... > and just paste it into the legal notes > May 19 17:07:28 isn't there something in the CLA about it? > May 19 17:07:38 since everybody who contributed to it was > under the CLA, afaik > May 19 17:08:41 ok, can someone chase that ? and find out if > 'fedora' has a license for the web sites code already and what it is? > and if not, what that will be > May 19 17:09:18 we should post the ml... marketing and > websites somebody have to know > May 19 17:09:19 i suspect the license is not our choice, but > mandated by higherups > May 19 17:09:25 right > May 19 17:09:54 talk to RH legal? > May 19 17:10:13 ...something like that i guess, i don't know who > May 19 17:10:16 ianweller, sound a logic thing to do > May 19 17:10:53 * giarc_w needs to get going, already late > May 19 17:11:03 see you all later > May 19 17:11:16 hmm > May 19 17:11:25 well, the CLA is there as a fall back in the > case of no license > May 19 17:11:46 giarc_w, see you later :) > May 19 17:11:50 and it grants a copyright license to do a > bunch of stuff, and it applies to all contributions including the > html/css most likely > May 19 17:12:05 it would be better, IMO, to declare an actual > license we prefer > May 19 17:12:15 and as the originators of the code and runners > of the project on fedorahosted.org > May 19 17:12:28 afaik we can choose any license that is > acceptable to Fedora. > May 19 17:12:52 that is, licensing of upstream software is at > the discretion of the actual upstream itself, which in this case is > the Websites subproject, right? > May 19 17:13:02 yeap > May 19 17:13:24 I mean, we could go back and get approval from > everyone in the chain, but it's arguable that the CLA covers that > already, and if we don't choose a bad license ... > May 19 17:13:24 so... shal we decide? > May 19 17:13:36 well, looks like too many people are gone from > this meeting > May 19 17:13:48 but it could be resolved with an on list discussion > May 19 17:14:24 alrite then... > May 19 17:15:10 we should really end this meeting now > and settle thing in the ml or next meeting... no progress es being > made > May 19 17:15:23 +1 > May 19 17:15:28 +1 > May 19 17:15:30 +1 > May 19 17:15:31 (or talk to RH legal.) > May 19 17:15:46 i figure that's the safest > May 19 17:16:00 * mether has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) > May 19 17:16:33 works for me > May 19 17:17:04 ISTM that licensing of the web stuff is > indeed Fedora's domain. Perhaps it should be brought up to the board? > May 19 17:17:31 Hrm, wait. The web stuff falls under the CLA. > May 19 17:17:41 Alright, RH legal it is. > May 19 17:18:24 * nim-ni1 has quit (Connection timed out) > May 19 17:20:36 * mether (n=ask at fedora/mether) has joined #fedora-meeting > May 19 17:21:40 * juank_prada has quit ("Leaving") > May 19 17:21:54 * juank_prada (n=juanky at 200.114.38.35) has joined > #fedora-meeting > May 19 17:23:06 ivazquez: by RH Legal, you mean what? > May 19 17:23:56 We should figure out if it's possible to > put the website layout under another license independent of the CLA. > May 19 17:24:07 this is an interesting question, so far I > think everyone has just picked a license. > May 19 17:24:10 ah, possible. > May 19 17:24:42 * quaid doesn't see why not but INAL > May 19 17:24:52 Likewise. > May 19 17:25:13 although the just lettiing anyone pick a > license is how we ended up with the GNU FDL 1.0 *spit* on Fedora Docs > May 19 17:25:22 * mdomsch has quit ("Leaving") > May 19 17:25:37 If we can, then we should decide what to > put it under and then let the board have the final yea or nay. > May 19 17:25:56 so, we assign that to spot and ask him nicely > to find out for us and bring back a license recommendation or > requirement > May 19 17:26:05 Agreed. > May 19 17:26:19 * J5_ (n=quintice at nat/redhat-us/x-495ab33371d438ce) > has joined #fedora-meeting > May 19 17:26:19 * J5 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) > May 19 17:27:50 Alright, I suppose we're done for now then. > May 19 17:28:01 > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue May 20 19:58:46 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:58:46 +0100 Subject: Meeting Minutes 2008-05-19 Message-ID: <507738ef0805201258h3fa627c1q6106ac3154889d11@mail.gmail.com> Meeting minutes can be found here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-05-19 I apologise if I've spelt anyone's name wrong! If I'm doing it consistently, let me know and I'll stop - I swear. Also, apologies that I don't know everyone's real name from their IRC nick... More importantly, I'll be updating the tasks page in the next few minutes too, so remember to look and check what you said you'd do :p http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks Best wishes, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Tue May 20 22:17:26 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:17:26 -0700 Subject: open account requests Message-ID: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> We're seeing more people joining Fedora and requesting to join various subprojects and SIGs. I suspect the ease of FAS2 combined with the fresh hoopla around the release has attracted people. Let's not disappoint them by leaving their request for a group in limbo. Yet ... Some people seem to be requesting group access without first knowing what a group is or what they need to do, such as send a self-intro. My suggestion is to reject those after giving them sufficient time to do the self-intro etc. We definitely do not want to sponsor people just because they checked a box and clicked Submit. Save your sponsorship for people who really mean to be there. Also, I'm putting in an RFE for the account system to add a "reason" field with the rejection process[1], so we can explain why someone was rejected, such as not following the established process at ProjectName/Join. Meanwhile, it is probably a good practice to send an email to the person telling them they can re-apply after they follow the per-SIG/subproject steps for account access. - Karsten (I am sending this duplicate email to multiple locations that need to resolve this process.) [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fas/ticket/50 -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue May 20 22:59:53 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:59:53 -0400 Subject: open account requests In-Reply-To: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <483357E9.802@fedoraproject.org> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > We're seeing more people joining Fedora and requesting to join various > subprojects and SIGs. I suspect the ease of FAS2 combined with the > fresh hoopla around the release has attracted people. Let's not > disappoint them by leaving their request for a group in limbo. Yet ... > > Some people seem to be requesting group access without first knowing > what a group is or what they need to do, such as send a self-intro. My > suggestion is to reject those after giving them sufficient time to do > the self-intro etc. > > We definitely do not want to sponsor people just because they checked a > box and clicked Submit. Save your sponsorship for people who really > mean to be there. > > Also, I'm putting in an RFE for the account system to add a "reason" > field with the rejection process[1], so we can explain why someone was > rejected, such as not following the established process at > ProjectName/Join. Meanwhile, it is probably a good practice to send an > email to the person telling them they can re-apply after they follow the > per-SIG/subproject steps for account access. Would it be possible to have folks requesting access to a group to receive a mail with instructions on the requirements to join? And some other startup info (e.g., these are the mailing lists we work on, this is our wiki page, etc) ~m From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed May 21 03:57:23 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:57:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: open account requests In-Reply-To: <483357E9.802@fedoraproject.org> References: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> <483357E9.802@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > We're seeing more people joining Fedora and requesting to join various > > subprojects and SIGs. I suspect the ease of FAS2 combined with the > > fresh hoopla around the release has attracted people. Let's not > > disappoint them by leaving their request for a group in limbo. Yet ... > > > > Some people seem to be requesting group access without first knowing > > what a group is or what they need to do, such as send a self-intro. My > > suggestion is to reject those after giving them sufficient time to do > > the self-intro etc. > > We definitely do not want to sponsor people just because they checked a > > box and clicked Submit. Save your sponsorship for people who really > > mean to be there. > > > > Also, I'm putting in an RFE for the account system to add a "reason" > > field with the rejection process[1], so we can explain why someone was > > rejected, such as not following the established process at > > ProjectName/Join. Meanwhile, it is probably a good practice to send an > > email to the person telling them they can re-apply after they follow the > > per-SIG/subproject steps for account access. > > Would it be possible to have folks requesting access to a group to receive a > mail with instructions on the requirements to join? And some other startup > info (e.g., these are the mailing lists we work on, this is our wiki page, > etc) > There is a join message for each group but I think not many people use it :-/ -Mike From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed May 21 07:29:50 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:29:50 +0300 Subject: open account requests In-Reply-To: References: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> <483357E9.802@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4833CF6E.7010103@nicubunu.ro> Mike McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 20 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Would it be possible to have folks requesting access to a group to receive a >> mail with instructions on the requirements to join? And some other startup >> info (e.g., these are the mailing lists we work on, this is our wiki page, >> etc) >> > > There is a join message for each group but I think not many people use it > :-/ How can one group customize this join message? I do the "mail instructions" part for the "art" group for quite a while (send an email, tell the requirements, invite to the mailing list) wait for two weeks and delete the unanswered requests. It would be easier for me to not have to send manually those emails. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mspevack at redhat.com Wed May 21 09:04:10 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:04:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: sorry for my absence Message-ID: Sorry for missing the last 2 meetings. My moving has completely messed up my whole schedule, but I should be in better shape now, as things are settling into place. However, next week is LinuxTag, so I'm not sure what will happen then. Anyway, it looks like great progress is being made, and I am happy to see it. I feel like we've started to re-energize this group and set a few specific goals to work towards. The next steps will be tracking each of those goals weekly, and seeing how we are progressing. Good job to everyone. And special thanks to JonRob for handling a lot of the details work. It's a yeoman's job, to be sure. Best, Max From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed May 21 09:25:34 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:25:34 +0100 Subject: sorry for my absence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0805210225j1e3d83c2w529e37b5e4a04671@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/21 Max Spevack : > Sorry for missing the last 2 meetings. My moving has completely messed up > my whole schedule, but I should be in better shape now, as things are > settling into place. > > However, next week is LinuxTag, so I'm not sure what will happen then. > > Anyway, it looks like great progress is being made, and I am happy to see > it. I feel like we've started to re-energize this group and set a few > specific goals to work towards. > > The next steps will be tracking each of those goals weekly, and seeing how > we are progressing. > > Good job to everyone. +1, I'll schedule next week's meeting soon too :) > > And special thanks to JonRob for handling a lot of the details work. It's a > yeoman's job, to be sure. No problem...I hope you're enjoying life in Europe and looking forward to the football tonight! Best wishes, Jon From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed May 21 15:26:10 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:26:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: open account requests In-Reply-To: <4833CF6E.7010103@nicubunu.ro> References: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> <483357E9.802@fedoraproject.org> <4833CF6E.7010103@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 May 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Tue, 20 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > Would it be possible to have folks requesting access to a group to receive > > > a > > > mail with instructions on the requirements to join? And some other startup > > > info (e.g., these are the mailing lists we work on, this is our wiki page, > > > etc) > > > > > > > There is a join message for each group but I think not many people use it > > :-/ > > How can one group customize this join message? > > I do the "mail instructions" part for the "art" group for quite a while (send > an email, tell the requirements, invite to the mailing list) wait for two > weeks and delete the unanswered requests. > It would be easier for me to not have to send manually those emails. > The group admins can alter a field in the account system called "Join Message" -Mike From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed May 21 15:36:59 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:36:59 +0100 Subject: Timeline? Message-ID: <507738ef0805210836g2239d3ebj9c2a1ef418df1605@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I have a question: The work we're doing, and the plans to improve the websites, do we want to do this in time for Fedora 10? Or at least target some of the changes at Fedora 10? If the answer is yes, do we want to match our work to the distribution release milestones, such as alpha/beta/preview? Might be good for us to have such specific targets to help keep our minds focused and to get feedback from the wider community about the direction we're heading in. Best, Jon From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed May 21 15:44:47 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:44:47 +0300 Subject: open account requests In-Reply-To: References: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> <483357E9.802@fedoraproject.org> <4833CF6E.7010103@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4834436F.2070400@nicubunu.ro> Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 21 May 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Mike McGrath wrote: >>> There is a join message for each group but I think not many people use it >>> :-/ >> How can one group customize this join message? > > The group admins can alter a field in the account system called "Join > Message" That explains all, Mo and me are only sponsors and can't edit the message (or view a mention about it). Probably this is why we are not using it :p ...and the same may be true for other groups too. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed May 21 18:59:41 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:59:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: open account requests In-Reply-To: <4834436F.2070400@nicubunu.ro> References: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> <483357E9.802@fedoraproject.org> <4833CF6E.7010103@nicubunu.ro> <4834436F.2070400@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 May 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Wed, 21 May 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > > > > Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > There is a join message for each group but I think not many people use > > > > it > > > > :-/ > > > How can one group customize this join message? > > > > The group admins can alter a field in the account system called "Join > > Message" > > That explains all, Mo and me are only sponsors and can't edit the message (or > view a mention about it). Probably this is why we are not using it :p ...and > the same may be true for other groups too. > It was mentioned to me that you may be talking about an application message. Right now that message only goes out _after_ someone has actually been approved in the group. This is a common failing IMHO as well. Lots of users think that all they have to do is show up and apply in a group and they're in the team and the fact is that the account system is a side affect of being on a team, not the actual way to be on a team. Too often volunteers show up ready and willing to work but don't bother introducing themselves to the list or even showing up on IRC. I'm conflicted on how to feel about these people. We have a full documented system for Infrastructure on what the different fedora infrastructure groups do and how to get involved. Including actually CONTACTING a sponsor to try to convince them to sponsor you. How many people on this list have applied for some group and didn't get approved for that group? Why do you think that was? -Mike From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed May 21 19:03:32 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:03:32 -0400 Subject: open account requests In-Reply-To: References: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> <483357E9.802@fedoraproject.org> <4833CF6E.7010103@nicubunu.ro> <4834436F.2070400@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48347204.6030707@fedoraproject.org> Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 21 May 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Mike McGrath wrote: >>> On Wed, 21 May 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> >>>> Mike McGrath wrote: >>>>> There is a join message for each group but I think not many people use >>>>> it >>>>> :-/ >>>> How can one group customize this join message? >>> The group admins can alter a field in the account system called "Join >>> Message" >> That explains all, Mo and me are only sponsors and can't edit the message (or >> view a mention about it). Probably this is why we are not using it :p ...and >> the same may be true for other groups too. >> > > It was mentioned to me that you may be talking about an application > message. Right now that message only goes out _after_ someone has > actually been approved in the group. > > This is a common failing IMHO as well. Lots of users think that all they > have to do is show up and apply in a group and they're in the team and the > fact is that the account system is a side affect of being on a team, not > the actual way to be on a team. I've tried to explain over and over that you don't need an FAS account to modify the wiki nor to create artwork, but people still send in many, many requests to be added to the art group. It doesn't make sense to me. ~m From ylynfatt at flowja.com Thu May 22 02:23:54 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (ylynfatt) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:23:54 -0500 Subject: New Member Introduction Message-ID: <4834d93a.2.8b5.2067534704@flowja.com> Hello all, My apologies for not introducing myself sooner. My name is Yannick Lyn Fatt (ylynfatt on IRC), a Web Developer who would like to contribute to the Fedora Websites Project. I currently work with the Web Team at the University of the West Indies, Mona Campus, Jamaica. I know (x)HTML, CSS and a little JavaScript. I use PHP mostly for development, but wouldn't mind learning Python if necessary. I'm new to contributing to an Open Source project but look forward to helping out where needed. I'm assuming the migration to the new wiki is one of the more pressing items at the moment. Anything in particular I can assist with? - Yannick From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu May 22 02:26:26 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:26:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New Member Introduction In-Reply-To: <4834d93a.2.8b5.2067534704@flowja.com> References: <4834d93a.2.8b5.2067534704@flowja.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 May 2008, ylynfatt wrote: > Hello all, > > My apologies for not introducing myself sooner. My name is > Yannick Lyn Fatt (ylynfatt on IRC), a Web Developer who > would like to contribute to the Fedora Websites Project. I > currently work with the Web Team at the University of the > West Indies, Mona Campus, Jamaica. I know (x)HTML, CSS and a > little JavaScript. I use PHP mostly for development, but > wouldn't mind learning Python if necessary. I'm new to > contributing to an Open Source project but look forward to > helping out where needed. > > I'm assuming the migration to the new wiki is one of the > more pressing items at the moment. Anything in particular I > can assist with? > Right at this moment now, but we did recently decide to do a pre-deployment of the new wiki on Friday. This will allow us from Friday to Tuesday to go and fix up the wiki so its in good shape for the actual deployment on Tuesday. The only catch is that pages changed between Friday and Tuseday will get overwritten but that should only be a small subset of stuff. For now you can check out and look for horrible flaws at https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ Also if you're a mediawiki expert let us know that as well, it'll come in handy. -Mike From ylynfatt at flowja.com Thu May 22 02:41:23 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (ylynfatt) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:41:23 -0500 Subject: New Member Introduction Message-ID: <4834dd53.30e.d5e.413442881@flowja.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike McGrath To: ylynfatt Cc: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: New Member Introduction Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:26:26 -0500 (CDT) >On Wed, 21 May 2008, ylynfatt wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> My apologies for not introducing myself sooner. My name >> is Yannick Lyn Fatt (ylynfatt on IRC), a Web Developer >> who would like to contribute to the Fedora Websites >> Project. I currently work with the Web Team at the >> University of the West Indies, Mona Campus, Jamaica. I >> know (x)HTML, CSS and a little JavaScript. I use PHP >> mostly for development, but wouldn't mind learning Python >> if necessary. I'm new to contributing to an Open Source >> project but look forward to helping out where needed. >> >> I'm assuming the migration to the new wiki is one of the >> more pressing items at the moment. Anything in particular >> I can assist with? >> > >Right at this moment now, but we did recently decide to do >a pre-deployment of the new wiki on Friday. This will >allow us from Friday to Tuesday to go and fix up the wiki >so its in good shape for the actual deployment on Tuesday. >The only catch is that pages changed between Friday and >Tuseday will get overwritten but that should only be a >small subset of stuff. > >For now you can check out and look for horrible flaws at >https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ > >Also if you're a mediawiki expert let us know that as well, >it'll come in handy. > > -Mike Mike, thanks for the heads up. I'm no mediawiki expert (honestly I've never posted to a wiki before) but I'll certainly be on the lookout for any flaws. If I do find any flaws, do I just post here on the mailing list or is there some other method? Also is there a current list of known issues/flaws I can take a look at so that I don't repeat something that has already been mentioned? - Yannick From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu May 22 02:57:06 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:57:06 -0400 Subject: New Member Introduction In-Reply-To: <4834dd53.30e.d5e.413442881@flowja.com> References: <4834dd53.30e.d5e.413442881@flowja.com> Message-ID: <1211425026.26280.20.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 21:41 -0500, ylynfatt wrote: > If I do find any flaws, do I just post here on the mailing > list or is there some other method? Also is there a current > list of known issues/flaws I can take a look at so that I > don't repeat something that has already been mentioned? https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/31 -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ylynfatt at flowja.com Thu May 22 04:08:57 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (ylynfatt) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:08:57 -0500 Subject: New Member Introduction Message-ID: <4834f1d9.6a.24be.1063662308@flowja.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: New Member Introduction Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:57:06 -0400 >On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 21:41 -0500, ylynfatt wrote: >> If I do find any flaws, do I just post here on the >> mailing list or is there some other method? Also is there >> a current list of known issues/flaws I can take a look at >> so that I don't repeat something that has already been >mentioned? > >https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/31 > >-- >Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > >PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed > > > >-- >Fedora-websites-list mailing list >Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > >[Attachment: ivazqueznet at gmail.com.sig] Thanks Ignacio. - Yannick From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu May 22 06:25:35 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:25:35 +0300 Subject: open account requests In-Reply-To: <48347204.6030707@fedoraproject.org> References: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> <483357E9.802@fedoraproject.org> <4833CF6E.7010103@nicubunu.ro> <4834436F.2070400@nicubunu.ro> <48347204.6030707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <483511DF.9030700@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: >> This is a common failing IMHO as well. Lots of users think that all they >> have to do is show up and apply in a group and they're in the team and >> the >> fact is that the account system is a side affect of being on a team, not >> the actual way to be on a team. > > I've tried to explain over and over that you don't need an FAS account > to modify the wiki nor to create artwork, but people still send in many, > many requests to be added to the art group. It doesn't make sense to me. It seems that lately the number of membership requests for the Art group increases very quickly (today I got a couple of those in my inbox). Below is the message I send to each applicant. In the most cases it is not followed and I delete the request after 2 weeks, but some will follow with an introduction to the mailing list and a few of them became contributors (but very few compared with the number of membership requests). I also had a few people replying to my personal email and I followed with additional details (for example one person replied he will go on with membership at a later time, when he will have more free time). This make me think that if we had a page shown by the application with some introduction and rules maybe that would also help reduce the number of useless requests (from people who do not follow up). And one more thing: I dont' know what to understand from requests like this, where the person has not even signed the CLA: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/view/astroweb Is this a bot or a person that does not understand even the basics? Or the web application does a really bad job of informing him about the basics? -------- Original Message -------- Hi name, I am Nicu Buculei, one of the sponsors or the Art group in the Fedora Account system (FAS). I write to you as a follow-up to your request to join our group. We receive a lot of such requests, some of them coming from people unknown to us or inactive in the Art Team. If you want to join this group, please subscribe to the Fedora-Art mailing list [1] and write a small introduction,allowing us to know you. Also if you want to show us your capabilities, please have a look at our jobs queue [2] try to accomplish an open task from there and post it to the list. Note that if you will not act in any way, after 2 weeks your request will be deleted automatically. Be aware that membership in the Art group of the FAS is not a requirement to participate in the project, to post or answer questions on the mailing list, on IRC or to use the Wiki, it is a privilege granted to established contributors. [1] - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/ [2] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService -------- End Quote -------- -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kwade at redhat.com Thu May 22 06:47:55 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:47:55 -0700 Subject: open account requests In-Reply-To: <483511DF.9030700@nicubunu.ro> References: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> <483357E9.802@fedoraproject.org> <4833CF6E.7010103@nicubunu.ro> <4834436F.2070400@nicubunu.ro> <48347204.6030707@fedoraproject.org> <483511DF.9030700@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1211438875.3558.55.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 09:25 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > This make me think that if we had a page shown by the application with > some introduction and rules maybe that would also help reduce the number > of useless requests (from people who do not follow up). Can you file an enhancement request for that? It would be a good idea, I agree. http://fedorahosted.org/fas What I think happens is, people follow the Join link, get an account, and are presented with a way to "join" an FAS group. Since there are so many great names there, why not select a few? If there were a way to require or display information about the group, with a link to a requirements page, that might help keep people from making requests they don't intend to act on. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Thu May 22 06:50:23 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:50:23 -0700 Subject: Timeline? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805210836g2239d3ebj9c2a1ef418df1605@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805210836g2239d3ebj9c2a1ef418df1605@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211439023.3558.59.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 16:36 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a question: > > The work we're doing, and the plans to improve the websites, do we > want to do this in time for Fedora 10? Or at least target some of the > changes at Fedora 10? > > If the answer is yes, do we want to match our work to the distribution > release milestones, such as alpha/beta/preview? Might be good for us > to have such specific targets to help keep our minds focused and to > get feedback from the wider community about the direction we're > heading in. I guess I'd like to see it sooner/ASAP. Why? * Less distractions this early in the next-release-cycle * Gives us something to do in the time when the rest of the release isn't very active * Creates something to draw interest to Fedora between releases * Big one -- solve problems now and not when we need the tools working and looking great later in the release cycle For example, any usability improvements that cause more contributors to arrive now is better than delaying those for F10. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu May 22 07:15:58 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:15:58 +0300 Subject: open account requests In-Reply-To: <1211438875.3558.55.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1211321846.18933.319.camel@calliope.phig.org> <483357E9.802@fedoraproject.org> <4833CF6E.7010103@nicubunu.ro> <4834436F.2070400@nicubunu.ro> <48347204.6030707@fedoraproject.org> <483511DF.9030700@nicubunu.ro> <1211438875.3558.55.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <48351DAE.8050004@nicubunu.ro> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 09:25 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> This make me think that if we had a page shown by the application with >> some introduction and rules maybe that would also help reduce the number >> of useless requests (from people who do not follow up). > > Can you file an enhancement request for that? It would be a good idea, > I agree. > > http://fedorahosted.org/fas Done: https://fedorahosted.org/fas/ticket/51 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu May 22 14:28:23 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:28:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Timeline? In-Reply-To: <1211439023.3558.59.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <507738ef0805210836g2239d3ebj9c2a1ef418df1605@mail.gmail.com> <1211439023.3558.59.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 May 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 16:36 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have a question: > > > > The work we're doing, and the plans to improve the websites, do we > > want to do this in time for Fedora 10? Or at least target some of the > > changes at Fedora 10? > > > > If the answer is yes, do we want to match our work to the distribution > > release milestones, such as alpha/beta/preview? Might be good for us > > to have such specific targets to help keep our minds focused and to > > get feedback from the wider community about the direction we're > > heading in. > > I guess I'd like to see it sooner/ASAP. Why? > > * Less distractions this early in the next-release-cycle > * Gives us something to do in the time when the rest of the release > isn't very active > * Creates something to draw interest to Fedora between releases > * Big one -- solve problems now and not when we need the tools working > and looking great later in the release cycle > > For example, any usability improvements that cause more contributors to > arrive now is better than delaying those for F10. we can make as many changes to the website as we want right now with little worry of a deadline. No reason to wait as AFAIK. -Mike From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu May 22 14:44:38 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:44:38 +0100 Subject: Joining the websites team In-Reply-To: <482998E0.3060608@gmx.at> References: <482998E0.3060608@gmx.at> Message-ID: <507738ef0805220744q77189ac8l2cff4f9d1629dee2@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/13 Wolfgang Magerl : > Hello. I would like to join the Fedora websites team. Therefore I think it > is best if I start with introducing myself. Hey there, sorry for the delayed reply :) We're in a bit of flux with the websites team at the minute, re-organising and re-focusing our efforts, so the best way to get involved really is to keep an eye on the list, the meetings (either by coming along or by reading the minutes) and by shouting out when you see something you'd like to help with! I hope this is somewhat useful to you, and look forward to working with you in the future.. Jon From nigel at twin-peaks-video.com Thu May 22 14:09:00 2008 From: nigel at twin-peaks-video.com (Nigel Aves) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:09:00 -0600 Subject: Downloads of Fedora 9 Message-ID: Fedora Team, I think the downloads being pointed to by your web site are corrupt. I tried downloading from Bittorrant and as a direct download. (DVD version) In both cases I verified the DVD after burning (passed no problems) but during the install process, in both bases, when the disk verification gets to 4% it reports a corrupt disk. I've never seen this happen before. Nigel. From ashley at clearedbyashley.com Thu May 22 21:58:16 2008 From: ashley at clearedbyashley.com (Ashley Kravitz) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:58:16 -0700 Subject: PROJECT Message-ID: <4FDFAA80620BA44BB3CC15307D12658316B2F2@SERVER1.clearedbyashleyinc.local> I am currently working on a project and we are interested in obtaining permission to use the Fedora Software on a computer screen. Can you please advise who I can send a formal request to for permission? Ashley Kravitz Cleared By Ashley, Inc. ashley at clearedbyashley.com 818/889-6541 818/889-6542 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 23 00:25:05 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:55:05 +0530 Subject: PROJECT In-Reply-To: <4FDFAA80620BA44BB3CC15307D12658316B2F2@SERVER1.clearedbyashleyinc.local> References: <4FDFAA80620BA44BB3CC15307D12658316B2F2@SERVER1.clearedbyashleyinc.local> Message-ID: <48360EE1.3090806@fedoraproject.org> Ashley Kravitz wrote: > I am currently working on a project and we are interested in obtaining > permission to use the Fedora Software on a computer screen. Can you > please advise who I can send a formal request to for permission? > Fedora is free and open source. You don't require anybody's permission to use it freely in as many computers as you would like. Good luck on your project. Rahul From ashley at clearedbyashley.com Fri May 23 00:54:44 2008 From: ashley at clearedbyashley.com (Ashley Kravitz) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:54:44 -0700 Subject: PROJECT In-Reply-To: <48360EE1.3090806@fedoraproject.org> References: <4FDFAA80620BA44BB3CC15307D12658316B2F2@SERVER1.clearedbyashleyinc.local> <48360EE1.3090806@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <03cf01c8bc6f$9818c110$c84a4330$@com> Even if it is for broadcast and we show the computer screen with the fedora software icon? -----Original Message----- From: Rahul Sundaram [mailto:sundaram at fedoraproject.org] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:25 PM To: Ashley Kravitz Cc: webmaster at fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: PROJECT Ashley Kravitz wrote: > I am currently working on a project and we are interested in obtaining > permission to use the Fedora Software on a computer screen. Can you > please advise who I can send a formal request to for permission? > Fedora is free and open source. You don't require anybody's permission to use it freely in as many computers as you would like. Good luck on your project. Rahul From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Fri May 23 02:58:15 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 22:58:15 -0400 Subject: PROJECT In-Reply-To: <03cf01c8bc6f$9818c110$c84a4330$@com> References: <4FDFAA80620BA44BB3CC15307D12658316B2F2@SERVER1.clearedbyashleyinc.local> <48360EE1.3090806@fedoraproject.org> <03cf01c8bc6f$9818c110$c84a4330$@com> Message-ID: <1211511495.26280.41.camel@ignacio.lan> On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 17:54 -0700, Ashley Kravitz wrote: > Even if it is for broadcast and we show the computer screen with the fedora > software icon? Usage of the Fedora logo is discussed here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri May 23 16:35:47 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:35:47 +0100 Subject: Meeting: Monday 26th May 2200 UTC Message-ID: <507738ef0805230935v1843baf5h5c4e777cfb6d9a05@mail.gmail.com> What do people say to this? This would give us, as a recurring schedule for our meetings: Monday 26th May 2200 UTC Monday 2nd June 2000 UTC Monday 9th June 2200 UTC ... ...you get the picture. Is this OK? I think these are the best times available to us, and mean we get to have a meeting that's kinda regular too, at least the Monday part :) Best wishes, Jon From ianweller at gmail.com Fri May 23 17:30:07 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:30:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Meeting: Monday 26th May 2200 UTC In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805230935v1843baf5h5c4e777cfb6d9a05@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805230935v1843baf5h5c4e777cfb6d9a05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Monday 26th May 2200 UTC > > Monday 2nd June 2000 UTC > > Monday 9th June 2200 UTC ... > Should work for me. -- ian From mspevack at redhat.com Fri May 23 17:46:35 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 19:46:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Meeting: Monday 26th May 2200 UTC In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805230935v1843baf5h5c4e777cfb6d9a05@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805230935v1843baf5h5c4e777cfb6d9a05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > What do people say to this? > > This would give us, as a recurring schedule for our meetings: > > Monday 26th May 2200 UTC > > Monday 2nd June 2000 UTC > > Monday 9th June 2200 UTC ... > > ...you get the picture. Past experience in other groups has shown that a meeting time that is not exactly the same every week leads to massive confusion, but if we do choose to go down that route, these times are fine with me. I'd rather just do 20:00 UTC each Monday and be done with it, though. :) Meanwhile, I'll take ownership of an agenda for this coming Monday's meeting. --Max From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri May 23 18:20:48 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:20:48 -0400 Subject: Meeting: Monday 26th May 2200 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805230935v1843baf5h5c4e777cfb6d9a05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48370B00.1070308@fedoraproject.org> Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 23 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> What do people say to this? >> >> This would give us, as a recurring schedule for our meetings: >> >> Monday 26th May 2200 UTC >> >> Monday 2nd June 2000 UTC >> >> Monday 9th June 2200 UTC ... >> >> ...you get the picture. > > Past experience in other groups has shown that a meeting time that is > not exactly the same every week leads to massive confusion, but if we do > choose to go down that route, these times are fine with me. > > I'd rather just do 20:00 UTC each Monday and be done with it, though. :) :( I can't ever make 20 UTC on a Monday, I'm sitting on a bus at that time .:( ~m From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri May 23 19:08:11 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 20:08:11 +0100 Subject: Meeting: Monday 26th May 2200 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0805230935v1843baf5h5c4e777cfb6d9a05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805231208qd94d4d6q9a6a7057caf57ec8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/23 Max Spevack : > On Fri, 23 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> What do people say to this? >> >> This would give us, as a recurring schedule for our meetings: >> >> Monday 26th May 2200 UTC >> >> Monday 2nd June 2000 UTC >> >> Monday 9th June 2200 UTC ... >> >> ...you get the picture. > > Past experience in other groups has shown that a meeting time that is not > exactly the same every week leads to massive confusion, but if we do choose > to go down that route, these times are fine with me. I don't think we have many other options :( Of course, feel free to take a crack at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix It never hurts to have an extra set of eyes search for a solution... > > Meanwhile, I'll take ownership of an agenda for this coming Monday's > meeting. Cool, good to have you back in the driver's seat :) Best, Jon From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri May 23 19:45:18 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:45:18 -0400 Subject: Meeting: Monday 26th May 2200 UTC In-Reply-To: <48370B00.1070308@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0805230935v1843baf5h5c4e777cfb6d9a05@mail.gmail.com> <48370B00.1070308@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080523194504.GB29468@Max> On 2008-05-23 02:20:48 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > :( I can't ever make 20 UTC on a Monday, I'm sitting on a bus at that time > .:( Funny thing, I'm also in a bus at that time (Mon-Fri 20:00 UTC) Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri May 23 20:01:01 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:01:01 +0100 Subject: Meeting: Monday 26th May 2200 UTC In-Reply-To: <20080523194504.GB29468@Max> References: <507738ef0805230935v1843baf5h5c4e777cfb6d9a05@mail.gmail.com> <48370B00.1070308@fedoraproject.org> <20080523194504.GB29468@Max> Message-ID: <507738ef0805231301p4cde722bva5f31ceaa0e253e1@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/23 Ricky Zhou : > On 2008-05-23 02:20:48 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> :( I can't ever make 20 UTC on a Monday, I'm sitting on a bus at that time >> .:( > Funny thing, I'm also in a bus at that time (Mon-Fri 20:00 UTC) Woah...I thought you and Mairin had different times that you couldn't make!? /me is confused. Jon From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fri May 23 15:42:07 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:42:07 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/hu - New directory Message-ID: <200805231542.m4NFg7ik001996@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/hu In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv1992/hu Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/hu added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fri May 23 15:45:05 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:45:05 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/hu/stylesheet-images - New directory Message-ID: <200805231545.m4NFj53r002053@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/hu/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv2049/hu/stylesheet-images Log Message: Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/hu/stylesheet-images added to the repository From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fri May 23 17:19:32 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:19:32 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/hu generated-index.php, NONE, 1.1 index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice-opl.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn_accounts.php, NONE, 1.1 sn_translating_docs.php, NONE, 1.1 sn_translating_software.php, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805231719.m4NHJWQl017823@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/hu In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv17777/hu Added Files: generated-index.php index.php legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php sn_translating_software.php Log Message: Update to TQSG 0.5 and make sure hu, pl, nl, ja, and zh_CN are available as well ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'generated-index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice-opl.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn_accounts.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn_translating_docs.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn_translating_software.php' From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fri May 23 17:19:33 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:19:33 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/hu/stylesheet-images 1.png, NONE, 1.1 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE, 1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png, NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE, 1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png, NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1 Message-ID: <200805231719.m4NHJXUe017844@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/hu/stylesheet-images In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv17777/hu/stylesheet-images Added Files: 1.png 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 2.png 3.png 4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png Log Message: Update to TQSG 0.5 and make sure hu, pl, nl, ja, and zh_CN are available as well From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fri May 23 17:20:01 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:01 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide index.php,1.20,1.21 Message-ID: <200805231720.m4NHK1iY017981@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv17777 Modified Files: index.php Log Message: Update to TQSG 0.5 and make sure hu, pl, nl, ja, and zh_CN are available as well Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.20 retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -r1.20 -r1.21 --- index.php 4 Apr 2008 13:09:01 -0000 1.20 +++ index.php 23 May 2008 17:19:31 -0000 1.21 @@ -18,17 +18,18 @@ +Magyar | - - +????????? | +Nederlands | - +polski | portugu??s brasileiro | - +????????????

      This document is maintained in the "translation-quick-start-guide" module in Docs CVS, or you can translate it using the Transifex system. For more information, read the US English version of this guide.

      From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fri May 23 17:20:02 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:02 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US generated-index.php, 1.7, 1.8 index.php, 1.11, 1.12 legalnotice-opl.php, 1.5, 1.6 rv-revhistory.php, 1.11, 1.12 sn_accounts.php, 1.11, 1.12 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.11, 1.12 sn_translating_software.php, 1.11, 1.12 Message-ID: <200805231720.m4NHK2J6017990@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv17777/en_US Modified Files: generated-index.php index.php legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php sn_translating_software.php Log Message: Update to TQSG 0.5 and make sure hu, pl, nl, ja, and zh_CN are available as well Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.11 retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.11 -r1.12 --- index.php 19 Mar 2008 13:44:56 -0000 1.11 +++ index.php 23 May 2008 17:19:32 -0000 1.12 @@ -81,7 +81,7 @@

      Diego B??rigo Zacar??o

      -

      Version 0.4.1 (2008-03-19)

      +

      Version 0.5 (2008-04-18)

      Copyright ?? 2005, 2006, 2007 Red Hat, Inc. and others

      @@ -130,6 +130,9 @@ the Translation guide or the manual of the specific translation tool.

      +

      + More information can be found in FAQ, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/FAQ. +

Index: legalnotice-opl.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US/legalnotice-opl.php,v retrieving revision 1.5 retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.5 -r1.6 --- legalnotice-opl.php 19 Mar 2008 13:44:56 -0000 1.5 +++ legalnotice-opl.php 23 May 2008 17:19:32 -0000 1.6 @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@

  1. -REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED +REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED VERSIONS

    Open Publication works may be reproduced and distributed in @@ -58,7 +58,7 @@

  2. -COPYRIGHT

    +COPYRIGHT

    The copyright to each Open Publication is owned by its author(s) or designee. @@ -66,7 +66,7 @@

  3. -SCOPE OF LICENSE

    +SCOPE OF LICENSE

    The following license terms apply to all Open Publication works, unless otherwise explicitly stated in the document. @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@

  4. -REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS

    +REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS

    All modified versions of documents covered by this license, including translations, anthologies, compilations and partial @@ -126,7 +126,7 @@

  5. -GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

    +GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

    In addition to the requirements of this license, it is requested from and strongly recommended of redistributors that: @@ -155,7 +155,7 @@

  6. -LICENSE OPTIONS

    +LICENSE OPTIONS

    The author(s) and/or publisher of an Open Publication-licensed document may elect certain options by appending language to the Index: rv-revhistory.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US/rv-revhistory.php,v retrieving revision 1.11 retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.11 -r1.12 --- rv-revhistory.php 19 Mar 2008 13:44:56 -0000 1.11 +++ rv-revhistory.php 23 May 2008 17:19:32 -0000 1.12 @@ -17,6 +17,18 @@

    + + + + + + Index: sn_accounts.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US/sn_accounts.php,v retrieving revision 1.11 retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.11 -r1.12 --- sn_accounts.php 19 Mar 2008 13:44:56 -0000 1.11 +++ sn_accounts.php 23 May 2008 17:19:32 -0000 1.12 @@ -99,8 +99,7 @@ chmod 644 ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub

  7. - Copy and paste the SSH key in the space provided in order to - complete the account application. + This public key (~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub) will be used for your Fedora account creation described in Section??2.4, ???Applying for an Account???.

    8. @@ -149,6 +148,9 @@ 

    gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --send-keys GPGKEYID
    +

  8. + This GPG key ID will be used for your Fedora account creation described in Section??2.4, ???Applying for an Account???. +

    9. @@ -156,13 +158,28 @@

    1. To sign up for a Fedora account, first visit https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ and select - Apply for a new account. + New Account. +

      2. +

    2. + Fill in Username, Full Name and Email, and click Sign up!. Your password will be emailed to you.

    3. - Fill in the form and choose a password for your Fedora account. - Enter information for your GPG key ID and SSH key in the form. - In the Comments field, write the - languages you plan to work on. + Go back to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ and log in with your password. The welcome page will be displayed, and it reminds you that CLA is not completed and that an SSH key is not submitted. +

      4. +

    4. + To submit public SSH key and GPG key ID, click My Account or go to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit. +

      5. +

    5. + In the Edit Account (user_name) page, enter your GPG key ID in GPG Key ID: field. For pubic SSH key, click Browse... button located next to Public SSH Key: field and specify your public SSH key. +

      6. +

    6. + Telephone Number and Postal Address fields are also required to fill in for signing the CLA. These information is NOT accessible by others except admin groups. Please refer to Fedora Privacy Policy at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/PrivacyPolicy. +

      7. +

    7. + Other fields will be displayed by any other member by visitng the user's view page. +

      8. +

    8. + Now click Save! located at the bottom of this page to save your information.

    @@ -173,31 +190,16 @@ CLA.

      -

    1. Visit https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/send-cla.cgi. - Authenticate using your username and password from the previous - process. -

      2. -

    2. Wait for receipt of an email with an attachment. The - attachment is an agreement you can sign and return. Save the - attachment to your Desktop. +

    3. Visit https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ and login your account using your username and password obtained from the previous process.

      4. -

    4. Double-click the file on your Desktop to open it with an - editor. Add the phrase "I agree" and your full name. +

    5. + In the Welcome page, click complete the CLA or go to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit.

      6. -
    6. -

      - Digitally sign the text file using your GPG key with the - following command, providing your password when prompted: -

      -
       gpg -a --sign fedora-icla-{username}.txt
      -

      There is now a new file on your Desktop that ends with - .asc. This file is the - signed version of the CLA. -

      -

    7. - Open your email client again and reply to the CLA email. - Attach the signed file which ends with .asc, and send the email. + If the information of telephone number and postal address have not been provided yet, the Edit Account (user_name) page will be appeared. Otherwise Fedora Contributor License Agreement page will be displayed. Read through the agreement carefully and click I agree if you are happy to do so. +

      8. +

    8. + The user-view page is appeared and shows the CLA: field as CLA Done.

    @@ -205,15 +207,16 @@

    2.6.??Joining the cvsl10n Group

    1. - Visit https://admin.fedora.redhat.com/accounts/userbox.cgi?_edit=1. - Select Add new membership at the bottom - of the page. In the field Groupname, - enter cvsl10n and select - Add. + In the user-view page, click Apply For a new Group located in the left side bar. If you like to do this step sometime later, your user-view page can be reached at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/view/user_name. +

      2. +

    2. + Click C of the alphabet, it returns the list of the groups starting with 'c'. +

      3. +

    3. + Find the group name cvsl10n in the list and click Apply.

    4. - An administrator is notified of your application, and offers - to sponsor you. This may take between an hour and a few days. + An administrator is notified of your application, and offers to sponsor you. This may take between an hour and a few days. The membership notification will be emailed to you once sponsored.

    Revision History
    Revision 0.52008-04-18NM
    +

    + Updated Accounts and Subscriptions chapter to comform the + current FAS2. Some minor changes made to other chapters along + with bugs filed. +

    +
    Revision 0.4.1 2008-03-19 NM
    @@ -255,15 +258,10 @@

    2.8.??Creating a Wiki Account

    1. - Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences/. For - your username, choose a name like 'FirstnameLastname' and - select Create Profile. + A current wiki user can give you Edit access on the wiki. Contact someone from the Edit Group at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup/, or add your name to the EditGroupQueue at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue/, and someone will add you shortly.

    2. - A current wiki user can now give you Edit access on the wiki. - Contact someone from the Edit Group at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup/, or add - your name to the EditGroupQueue at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue/, and - someone will add you shortly. + Once added, Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences/ and create a profile page. For your username, choose a name like 'FirstnameLastname' and select Create Profile.

    3. If you are starting a new language, or want to become the Index: sn_translating_docs.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US/sn_translating_docs.php,v retrieving revision 1.11 retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.11 -r1.12 --- sn_translating_docs.php 19 Mar 2008 13:44:56 -0000 1.11 +++ sn_translating_docs.php 23 May 2008 17:19:32 -0000 1.12 @@ -47,22 +47,22 @@

    4. gnome-doc-utils

    5. xmlto

    6. make

      7. +

    7. w3m

    The gnome-doc-utils package provides the xml2po command, and does not require you to - install the GNOME desktop environment. The xmlto - and make packages contain tools necessary for + install the GNOME desktop environment. The xmlto, make and w3m packages contain tools necessary for testing document builds and translations.

    To install these packages, use the following command:

    -
    su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make'
    +
    su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make w3m'

    4.1.??Getting Started

    The Fedora documentation is stored in a CVS repository under the directory docs/. To list the available - modules, run the following commands: + modules, run the following commands (where username is replaced with your Fedora account username): 

    export CVSROOT=:ext:username@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
 cvs co -c
    @@ -72,9 +72,7 @@ out the docs-common module to work with some modules.

    -
    -      cvs co release-notes/
-
    +
    cvs co release-notes docs-common

    Some modules are release specific, meaning that they have a branch, or subdirectory, @@ -88,11 +86,36 @@ translators work on this branch, and port changes back to previous branches as required.

    +
    + + + + + +
    [Tip]How to get the smallest check out
    +

    + Another method is to use a module alias. Using the alias + release-notes-version + checks out just the version + specified. This method brings the versioned subdirectory and the + docs-common module into one directory, + release-notes-version. + For example, to get just the -devel + version, use this command: +

    +
    cvs co release-notes-devel
    +

    + Everything needed to build the document is now in the directory + release-notes-devel/: +

    +
    ls release-notes-devel
+CVS  docs-common  release-notes
    +

4.2.??Creating Common Files

- If you are creating the first-ever translation for a locale, you + Only if you are creating the first-ever translation for a locale, you must first translate some common files used in all documents for your locale. The common files are located in docs-common/common/.

@@ -219,7 +242,7 @@ In a terminal, go to the directory of the document you want to translate:

-
cd ~/docs/example-tutorial
+
cd ~/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/

  • Add Locale to List

    @@ -231,8 +254,14 @@ you are translating has not been updated, notify the Fedora Documentation Project or file a bug using Bugzilla.

    Add your translation language code to the list in the - po/LINGUAS file. Keep the list - in alphabetical order.

    + po/LINGUAS file using your preferred editor. For example, +

    +
    vi po/LINGUAS
    +

    + Press 'a' to modify and add your language code. Once added, save it and exit the editor. +

    +

    Please remember to keep the list in alphabetical order. +

  • Create PO File

    @@ -259,7 +288,7 @@ 

    make html-pt_BR

    You can read the resulting HTML files with a Web - browser.

    + browser. If no HTML is created, the error message(s) can be found in the output. Please resolve them before commit.

    @@ -275,7 +304,7 @@

  • Commit Work

    - When you have finished your translation, commit the .po file. You may note the percent complete or some other useful message at commit time. + Before commit your .po file, always make sure that the html has been generated successfully. You may note the percent complete or some other useful message at commit time. 

    cvs ci -m 'Translating... 400/10/126' po/pt_BR.po
    • Index: sn_translating_software.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US/sn_translating_software.php,v retrieving revision 1.11 retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.11 -r1.12 --- sn_translating_software.php 19 Mar 2008 13:44:56 -0000 1.11 +++ sn_translating_software.php 23 May 2008 17:19:32 -0000 1.12 @@ -66,21 +66,20 @@ 
    mkdir -p ~/myproject/comps/

    To work on another module later, make a directory with the module - name under the parent directory such as myproject. + name under the parent directory such as ~/myproject/system-config-printer/.

    3.2.??Obtaining and Translating Modules

    - Now that you have prepared a directory structure, you can download - a file to translate. + Now that you have prepared a directory structure, you can download a file to translate. You may need to communicate with other translators in your language team to avoid confliction. If you are not sure, please contact your language coordinator.

    1. - Visit your language page such as http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/, and select a target release. The interface will redirect you to a page for that release, such as http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/fedora-9/. + Visit your language page such as http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/, and select a target release. The interface will redirect you to a page for that release, such as http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/fedora-9.

    2. - Scroll down the page to find the table of all modules available for that release. Use the green download icon next to each module to download the po file to the directory you created in the previous section. + Scroll down the page to find the table of all modules available for that release. Use the green download icon next to each module to download the po file to the directory you created in the previous section.

    3. @@ -169,8 +168,7 @@ The Submit page appears and displays the message Your submission was committed successfully. If you receive an error or some - other success message, please post it to the Fedora - Translation Project mailing list so it can be addressed. + other success message, please post it to the Fedora Localization Project mailing list so it can be addressed.

    @@ -193,7 +191,7 @@

  • Once you finish the translation, follow the same steps for - verifying and committing your translation described in + verifying and then commit your translation described in previous section.

  • @@ -216,33 +214,42 @@

    1. - Change directory to the package you want to proofread: + Change directory to the package you want to proofread. For example,

      -
      cd ~/myproject/package_name
      +
      cd ~/myproject/system-config-printer/

    2. Convert the .po file to - a .mo file with - msgfmt: + a .mo file using msgfmt with -o option:

      -
      msgfmt lang.po
      +
      msgfmt -o system-config-printer.mo ja.po

    3. - Overwrite the existing .mo file in - /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/. + As a root user, overwrite the existing .mo file in + /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/. +

      +

      First, back up the existing file:

      -
      cp /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/package_name.mo package_name.mo-backup
-mv package_name.mo /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/
      +
      su -
      +
      cp /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/system-config-printer.mo system-config-printer.mo-backup
      +

      + Now move the file converted for proofreading. +

      +
      mv system-config-printer.mo /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/
      +

      + Exit root user. +

      +
      exit

    4. Proofread the package with the translated strings as part of the application:

      -
      LANG=lang package_command
      +
      LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 system-config-printer

    From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fri May 23 17:20:03 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:03 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/ja_JP generated-index.php, NONE, 1.1 legalnotice-opl.php, NONE, 1.1 index.php, 1.1, 1.2 rv-revhistory.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn_accounts.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn_translating_software.php, 1.1, 1.2 Message-ID: <200805231720.m4NHK3DZ017997@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/ja_JP In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv17777/ja_JP Modified Files: index.php rv-revhistory.php sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php sn_translating_software.php Added Files: generated-index.php legalnotice-opl.php Log Message: Update to TQSG 0.5 and make sure hu, pl, nl, ja, and zh_CN are available as well ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'generated-index.php' ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice-opl.php' Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/ja_JP/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- index.php 9 Aug 2006 11:42:29 -0000 1.1 +++ index.php 23 May 2008 17:19:33 -0000 1.2 @@ -1,13 +1,136 @@ + + + +翻訳クィックスタートガイド + + + + + + initCommon(); +$template->initCommon(); $template->displayHeader(); ?> -

    • [Important]
    ???????????????????????????????????????
    ?????????????????????

    ???????????????????????????????????????

    Ospina Manuel [FAMILY Given]

    ?????????

    Frields Paul [FAMILY Given]

    Cisneiros Hugo [FAMILY Given]

    !

    Tombolini Francesco [FAMILY Given]

    Martynov Andrew [FAMILY Given]

    Pires Jos?? [FAMILY Given]

    Courveur Bart [FAMILY Given]

    Glezos Dimitris [FAMILY Given]

    Durand Damien [FAMILY Given]

    ???????????? ?? 2005, 2006 Red Hat, Inc., Manuel Ospina

    ???????????? ?? 2006 Paul W. Frields, Hugo Cisneiros, Francesco Tombolini, Andrew Martynov, Jos?? Pires, Bart Co! uvreur, Dimitris Glezos, Damien Durand

    1. ????????????
    2. ?????????????????????????????????????????????
    2.1. SSH ???????????????
    2.2. ???????????????????????????????????????
    2.3. ????????????????????????/????????????????????????
    3. ?????????????????????????????????
    3.1. ??????????????????
    3.2. ??????
    4. ?????????????????????????????????
    4.1. ???????????????????????????????????????
    4.2. ????????????????????????????????????????????????
    4.3. ??????????????????????????????????????????

    1. ????????????

    ????????????????????? Fedora ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????! ???????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? (Translation Guide) ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    [????????????]????????????????????????????????????????????????

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????http://bugzilla.redhat.com ????????? Bugzilla ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Product ??? ???Fedora Documentation??? ????????????????????? Component ????????????????????????????????????????????????????! ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? translation-quick-start-guide-0.3.3 (2006-08-06) ??????????????????

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??? Fedora ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    ?????????????????????
    ??????2. ?????????????????????????????????????????????
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    翻訳クィックスタートガイド
       次のページ +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +

    翻訳クィックスタートガイド

    +
    +

    +Ospina Manuel [FAMILY Given]

    +
    +

    編者：

    +

    +Frields Paul [FAMILY Given]

    +
    +
    +

    編者：

    +

    +Mizumoto Noriko [FAMILY Given]

    +
    +
    +

    編者：

    +

    +Glezos Dimitris [FAMILY Given]

    +
    +
    +

    +Cisneiros Hugo [FAMILY Given]

    +

    +Tombolini Francesco [FAMILY Given]

    +

    +Martynov Andrew [FAMILY Given]

    +

    +Pires José [FAMILY Given]

    +

    +Courveur Bart [FAMILY Given]

    +

    +Durand Damien [FAMILY Given]

    +

    +Gomez Guillermo [FAMILY Given]

    +

    +Zacarão Diego [FAMILY Given]

    +

    Version 0.5 (2008-04-18)

    +

    製作著作 © 2005, 2006, 2007 Red Hat, Inc. と他社

    +
    + +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    1. はじめに
    +
    2. アカウントと登録
    +
    +
    2.1. メーリングリストへの登録
    +
    2.2. SSH キーの作成
    +
    2.3. GPG キーの作成
    +
    2.4. アカウントの適用
    +
    2.5. CLA へのサイン
    +
    2.6. cvsl10n グループへの参加
    +
    2.7. アクセスのテスト
    +
    2.8. Wiki アカウントの作成
    +
    2.9. 自己紹介
    +
    2.10. Bugzilla アカウントの作成
    +
    2.11. チェックリスト
    +
    +
    3. ソフトウェアを翻訳する
    +
    +
    3.1. ファイル構造
    +
    3.2. モジュールの入手と翻訳
    +
    3.3. モジュールの書き出し
    +
    3.4. 新しい .po ファイルの追加
    +
    3.5. 査読
    +
    +
    4. ドキュメントを翻訳する
    +
    +
    4.1. 始めるには
    +
    4.2. 共通エンティティーのファイルを作成
    +
    4.3. 翻訳アプリケーションの使い方
    +
    4.4. 何を翻訳するのか
    +
    +
    目次
    +
    +
    +

    1. はじめに

    +

    本ガイドでは、 Fedora プロジェクトのソフトウェア翻訳及びドキュメント翻訳についてわかり易く手順を追って簡単に説明しています。翻訳過程についてさらに詳しくお知りになりたい場合は、翻訳ガイド (Translation Guide) または特定の翻訳ツールに関するマニュアルを参照してください。

    +

    さらなる情報は http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/FAQ の FAQ で見つけられます。

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
       次のページ +
       2. アカウントと登録
    +
    + Index: rv-revhistory.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/ja_JP/rv-revhistory.php,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- rv-revhistory.php 9 Aug 2006 11:42:29 -0000 1.1 +++ rv-revhistory.php 23 May 2008 17:19:33 -0000 1.2 @@ -1,63 +1,326 @@ + + + +改訂履歴 + + + initCommon(); +$template->initCommon(); $template->displayHeader(); ?> -
    +
    ????????????
    ?????? 0.3.32006-08-06PWF
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
    改訂履歴
    改訂 0.52008-04-18NM
    +

    + 現在の FAS2 に合うように + アカウントと登録の章を更新しました。指摘されたバグに対処する小さな修正を他の章に行いました。 +

    +
    改訂 0.4.12008-03-19NM
    +

    + 3.2 節のリンクを置き換えました。 +

    +
    改訂 0.42008-03-03DG
    +

    + i18n.redhat.com (elvis) への参照を削除しました +

    +
    改訂 0.3.9.22008-02-18PWF
    +

    + GPG キーの URL を修正 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.9.12007-12-23PWF
    +

    + Transifex システムへのリンクを修正 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.92007-11-14PWF
    +

    + スタイルや文法、明快さのための編集 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.8.22007-09-28NM
    +

    + transifex + の使用方法やリポジトリーの移動を含む最新情報を反映するために全章の変更と更新 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.8.12007-09-04DZ
    +

    + 既存の SSH キーを使用するための情報を追加 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.82007-08-23NM
    +

    + メインファイルを章に基づき複数のファイルに分割 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.7.52007-07-29PWF
    +

    + LINGUAS + に関する情報を追加し、不要な勧告を削除 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.7.42007-07-28PWF
    +

    + 分岐モジュールへの情報の追加と変更のテスト +

    +
    改訂 0.3.7.32007-07-06PWF
    +

    + 手作業で POT + を更新することに対する警告を追加 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.7.22007-05-29MO
    +

    + CVS グループ会員資格詳細の修正: + 著作権保持者リストの短縮 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.7.12007-04-03PWF
    +

    + 全体の統一性を保持して新しい POT と PO + を生成する +

    +
    改訂 0.3.72006-10-14PWF
    +

    + 間違った URL の修正 (#209900) +

    +
    改訂 0.3.62006-09-20MO
    +

    + バグ修正 (#198726、#204266、#205167) +

    +
    改訂 0.3.52006-08-14PWF
    +

    + 正しい手順にあうように編集上のパス、手続きの訂正 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.42006-08-10MO
    +

    + Docs プロジェクトに参加するための追加情報と + GPG。 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.32006-08-06PWF
    +

    + rpm-info はドキュメント POT + の一部となるため、これに関する翻訳手順は削除されています。 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.22006-07-03PWF
    +

    + その他の共通ファイルに関する翻訳手順がドキュメント翻訳の手順に加えられています。 +

    +
    改訂 0.3.12006-05-28PWF
    +

    + 無効ロケールに関する注意及び共通エンティティーに関する説明が加えられています。 +

    +
    改訂 0.32006-05-27PWF
    +

    + 手順に修正が加えられ、ドキュメント固有のエンティティーが含まれるようになります。 +

    +
    改訂 0.2.2.22006-02-13PWF
    +

    + DocBook XML 4.4 に移行するため XInclude + を使用するようになります。 +

    +
    改訂 0.2.2.12006-02-02PWF
    +

    + スペリング修正が行われています (#179717)。 +

    +
    改訂 0.2.22006-02-01PWF
    +

    + バグレポート用のエンティティーが加えられています。 +

    +
    改訂 0.2.12006-01-30PWF
    +

    + ホスト名エラーが修正されています。 +

    +
    改訂 0.22006-01-25PWF
    +

    + 読みやすいように手順を区分けしたスタイル変更が行われています。 +

    +
    改訂 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006PWF
    +

    + 編集の第 1 回目になります。 +

    +
    改訂 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006MO

    - rpm-info ????????????????????? POT - ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? + 第 1 ドラフト

    -
    ?????? 0.3.22006-07-03PWF
    -

    - ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? -

    -
    ?????? 0.3.12006-05-28PWF
    -

    - ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? -

    -
    ?????? 0.32006-05-27PWF
    -

    - ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? -

    -
    ?????? 0.2.2.22006-02-13PWF
    -

    - DocBook XML 4.4 ????????????????????? XInclude - ??????????????????????????????????????? -

    -
    ?????? 0.2.2.12006-02-02PWF
    -

    - ????????????????????????????????????????????? (#179717)??? -

    -
    ?????? 0.2.22006-02-01PWF
    -

    - ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? -

    -
    ?????? 0.2.12006-01-30PWF
    -

    - ??????????????????????????????????????????????????? -

    -
    ?????? 0.22006-01-25PWF
    -

    - ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? -

    -
    ?????? 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006PWF
    -

    - ???????????? 1 ???????????????????????? -

    -
    ?????? 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006MO
    -

    - ??? 1 ???????????? -

    -
    - +
    displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + + Index: sn_accounts.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/ja_JP/sn_accounts.php,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- sn_accounts.php 9 Aug 2006 11:42:29 -0000 1.1 +++ sn_accounts.php 23 May 2008 17:19:33 -0000 1.2 @@ -1,17 +1,208 @@ + + + +2. アカウントと登録 + + + + + + + + initCommon(); +$template->initCommon(); $template->displayHeader(); ?> -
    2. ?????????????????????????????????????????????
    ????????????????????????????????????

    2. ?????????????????????????????????????????????

    2.1. SSH ???????????????

    SSH ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    1. ????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -ssh-keygen -t dsa -

      ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? (~/.ssh/id_dsa)??? ???????????????????????????????????????

      [??????]???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      CVS ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    2. ????????? .ssh ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -chmod 700 ~/.ssh
-

    3. SSH ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    2.2. ???????????????????????????????????????

    ?????????????????? Fedora Project ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/ ????????????????????????????????????Email ??????????????????????????????(?????????????????????????????????)??? SSH ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 2 ?????????????????? 1 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? fedora-trans-list ?????????????????? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list ???????????????????????????????????? 1 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? fedora-trans-ja ??????????????????

    2.3. ????????????????????????/????????????????????????

    Fedora ???????????????????????????????????????????????????Fedora CVS ????????????????????? Fedora Documentation Project ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Fedora CVS ??????????????????????????????????????????https://admin.fedor! a.redhat.com/accounts/ ???????????????????????? Fedora Doc! umentati on Project ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/ ??????????????????????????????

    ?????????Fedora Documentation Project ????????????????????????????????????????????? (self-intoroduction) ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction ??????????????????????????????

    ????????????????????????????????????
    ?????????????????????! ???????????????????????????????3. ?????????????????????????????????
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    2. アカウントと登録
    +前のページ   次のページ +
    +
    +
    +
    +

    2. アカウントと登録

    +

    Fedora の翻訳者になるには、この章に記載されているようにしてアカウントと登録を求めて署名しなければなりません。質問があれば fedora-trans-list にポストするか、irc.freenode.org の #fedora-l10n チャネルの Internet Relay Chat いわゆる IRC 経由で助けを求めてください。

    +
    +

    2.1. メーリングリストへの登録

    +
      +

    1. https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list/ を訪れ、メインメーリングリストに登録します。

      2. +

    2. あなたの登録を確認するためのリンクを含んだ確認メールが届くのを待ちます。登録を確認するリンクをクリックします。

      3. +

    3. あなたの言語用の特別なメーリングリストがあるかどうか http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/ を見てチェックします。もしあれば、そのメーリングリストにも登録します。

      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.2. SSH キーの作成

    +

    もしあなたが既に既存の SSH キーを持っているのならば、Fedora の作業用にそれを使えます。その場合、以下の手続きの ステップ 2 に進みます。もしあなたが SSH キーを持っていなければ、以下の最初のステップに進みます:

    +
      +
    1. +

      次のコマンドを入力します:

      +
      ssh-keygen -t dsa
      +

      保存先はデフォルトの場所のままにして (~/.ssh/id_dsa)、 パスフレーズを入力します。

      +
      + + + + + +
      [注意]パスフレーズを覚えておいてください

      CVS リポジトリーにアクセスするにはパスフレーズが必要になります。パスフレーズを忘れてしまうと回復できません。

      +
      2. +
    2. +

      キーと .ssh ディレクトリーのパーミッションを変更します:

      +
      chmod 700 ~/.ssh chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_dsa chmod 644 ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub
      +
      3. +

    3. このパブリックキー (~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub) を 項2.4. 「アカウントの適用」 に書かれている Fedora アカウントの作成で使います。

      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.3. GPG キーの作成

    +
      +
    1. +

      コマンドラインに次を入力してキーを作成します:

      +
      gpg --gen-key
      +

      処理の間、一連のプロンプトがあなたを導きます。たいていの場合、省略値で十分です。よいパスワードを選択するのを忘れないようにしてください。

      +
      + + + + + +
      [ティップ]よいパスワードの選択
      +

      よいパスワードは:

      +
        +

      • 大文字や、小文字、数字、区切り記号、その他の文字からなっている

        • +

      • 置換の有無に関わらず、単語や名前を含んでいない

        • +

      • 他のシステムで使った他のパスワードと同じではない

        • +
      +
      +
      2. +

    2. 結果のテキストの中で "pub 1024D/1B2AFA1C" に似た文の中であなたのキー ID を探してください。あなたのキー ID はスラッシュ (/) の後の 8 文字の "単語" です。前の例の GPG キー ID は 1B2AFA1C です。あなたのキー ID を書いてください。

      3. +
    3. +

      他の人が見つけられるよう、以下のコマンドであなたの公開キーを公開サーバーに書き出してください。キー ID は置き換えてください:

      +
      gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --send-keys GPGKEYID
      +
      4. +

    4. GPG キー ID は、項2.4. 「アカウントの適用」 に書かれている、あなた用の Fedora アカウントの作成に使用されます。

      5. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.4. アカウントの適用

    +
      +

    1. Fedora アカウントに署名するには、https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ を訪れ、New account を選択します。

      2. +

    2. Username と、Full Name、Email を埋め、Sign up! をクリックします。パスワードがメールされます。

      3. +

    3. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ に戻り、あなたのパスワードでログインします。歓迎のページが表示され、CLA は完了しておらず、SSH キーが送られていないことを知らせています。

      4. +

    4. パブリック SSH キーと、GPG キー ID を送るには、My Account をクリックするか、 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit へ行きます。

      5. +

    5. Edit Account (user_name) ページでは、あなたの GPG キー ID を GPG Key ID: 域に入れてください。パブリック SSH キーについては、Public SSH Key: 域の次にある Browse... ボタンをクリックし、あなたのパブリック SSH キーを指定してください。

      6. +

    6. CLA にサインするには、Telephone Number と Postal Address 域を埋める必要があります。これらの情報は admin グループを除いてアクセスできません。 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/PrivacyPolicy にある Fedora Privacy Policy を参照してください。

      7. +

    7. 他の領域はユーザーの表示ページを訪れると他のメンバーに表示されます。

      8. +

    8. ではあなたの情報を保存するためにこのページの末尾にある Save! をクリックしてください。

      9. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.5. CLA へのサイン

    +

    あなたは貢献者のライセンス同意 CLA を仕上げなければなりません

    +
      +

    1. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ を訪れ、前の手続きでのあなたのユーザー名とパスワードを使ってログインしてください。

      2. +

    2. 歓迎のページでは、complete the CLA をクリックするか、 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit へ行ってください。

      3. +

    3. 電話番号と郵便番号の情報をまだ提供していなければ、Edit Account (user_name) ページが現れます。そうでなければ Fedora Contributor License Agreement ページが表示されます。同意書をよく読んでいいと思えば I agree をクリックしてください。

      4. +

    4. user-view ページが現れ、CLA: 域が CLA Done と表示されます。

      5. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.6. cvsl10n グループへの参加

    +
      +

    1. user-view ページで左側のバーにある Apply For a new Group をクリックします。このステップを後で実行したいのならば、あなたの user-view ページは https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/view/user_name からたどることができます。

      2. +

    2. アルファベットの C をクリックすると、左側のグループが 'c' から始まります。

      3. +

    3. 一覧からグループ名 cvsl10n を探し、Apply をクリックします。

      4. +

    4. 管理者にあなたの申請が通知され、あなたの保証人を申し出ます。これには 1 時間から数日かかります。保証人が決まると資格通知がメールされます。

      5. +
    +
    + + + + + +
    [注意]注意

    残りのステップは、アクセスのテストと、近いうちに必要となるかもしれない Fedora の基盤の全てへの権利を与えることです。言語の保守を行う人と新しい言語を始める人はこれに従ってください。翻訳者にとっては任意ですが、できるだけ従うようにしてください。

    +
    +
    +

    2.7. アクセスのテスト

    +
      +
    1. +

      まだインストールしていなければ、以下のコマンドで cvs パッケージをインストールします:

      +
      su -c 'yum install cvs'
      +
      2. +
    2. +

      以下のコマンドでいくつかの PO ファイルを取り出してください。あなたのユーザー名で置き換え、プロンプトされたらあなたの SSH キーのパスフレーズを入れてください:

      +
      export CVSROOT=:ext:username@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/l10n cvs co web ls web/flpweb/po
      +
      3. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.8. Wiki アカウントの作成

    +
      +

    1. 現在の wiki 利用者は wiki での編集アクセス権をあなたに与えることができます。http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup/ の Edit Group の誰かに連絡をとるか、http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue/ の EditGroupQueue にあなたの名前を追加すると、誰かがすぐにあなたを追加してくれるでしょう。

      2. +

    2. 追加されたら http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences/ を訪れ、プロフィールページを作成します。あなたのユーザー名として 'FirstnameLastname' のような名前を選び、Create Profile を選択します。

      3. +

    3. もし新しい言語を始めようとしているか、保守管理者になりたいのならば、あなたの情報を http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/ の L10N/Teams ページに追加してください。

      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.9. 自己紹介

    +
      +

    1. wiki 上での編集権を得たら、http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirstnameLastname/ のような URL の個人ページを作成します。これは Fedora の貢献者にとってお互いに知り合い、連絡をとるのに非常に便利です。

      2. +

    2. 短い自己紹介 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join/SelfIntroduction/ を fedora-trans-list メーリングリストとあなたのローカルチームに出します。

      3. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.10. Bugzilla アカウントの作成

    +

    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi/ を訪れ、Bugzilla のアカウントを作成します。

    +
    +
    +

    2.11. チェックリスト

    +

    以下を持っているはずです:

    +
      +

    • fedora-trans-list メーリングリストと、あなたのロケール専用のメーリングリストがあればそれにも登録します。

      • +

    • SSH キー

      • +

    • GPG キー

      • +

    • Fedora アカウント

      • +

    • cvsl10n グループのメンバー

      • +

    • wiki アカウント

      • +

    • あなたの言語と翻訳チームが http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/ に現れる

      • +

    • Bugzilla アカウント

      • +

    • wiki 上の個人のホームページ

      • +

    • メーリングリストへ送った自己紹介

      • +
    +

    くつろいであなたの成果を楽しんでください。あなたは Fedora コミュニティーの一員として完全に認識され、デジタル署名されたドキュメントやメールができ、CVS に成果を投稿し、wiki にコンテンツを出し、バグを投稿し、我々のグループで議論し、他の Fedora チームに参加しましょう。!

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +前のページ   次のページ +
    翻訳クィックスタートガイド ホーム 3. ソフトウェアを翻訳する
    +
    + Index: sn_translating_docs.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/ja_JP/sn_translating_docs.php,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- sn_translating_docs.php 9 Aug 2006 11:42:29 -0000 1.1 +++ sn_translating_docs.php 23 May 2008 17:19:33 -0000 1.2 @@ -1,51 +1,228 @@ + + + +4. ドキュメントを翻訳する + + + + + + + + initCommon(); +$template->initCommon(); $template->displayHeader(); ?> -
    4. ?????????????????????????????????
    ?????????????????????

    4. ?????????????????????????????????

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Fedora Core 4 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    • gnome-doc-utils

    • xmlto

    • make

    ??????????????????????????????! ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make'
-

    4.1. ???????????????????????????????????????

    Fedora ????????????????????? CVS ?????????????????? docs/ ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? .po ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -export CVSROOT=:ext:username@cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs
-cvs co -c
-

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? docs-common ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -cvs co example-tutorial docs-common
-

    ????????????????????? DocBook XML ????????????????????????????????? en_US/example-tutorial.xml ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????? .po ??????????????? po/ ??????????????????????????????????????????

    4.2. ????????????????????????????????????????????????

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? docs-common/common/ ??????????????????

    1. do! cs-common/common/entities ????????? README.txt ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    2. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? CVS ??????????????????????????? legal notice ????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -cd docs-common/common/
+
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
      4. ドキュメントを翻訳する
      
+前のページ   次のページ
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      4. ドキュメントを翻訳する
      
+
      Fedora ドキュメントを翻訳するには、cvsl10n グループのメンバーになります。アカウントと認可に関しての詳細は、項2. 「アカウントと登録」 を参照してください。
      
+
      ドキュメントを翻訳するには、次のパッケージがインストールされている Fedora 5 またはそれ以降のシステムが必要になります。
      
+
        
+
      • gnome-doc-utils
        • 
+
      • xmlto
        • 
+
      • make
        • 
+
      • w3m
        • 
+
      
+
      gnome-doc-utils パッケージは xml2po コマンドを提供しますが、GNOME デスクトップ環境のインストールは要求しません。xmlto と make、w3m パッケージはドキュメントのビルドのテストと翻訳に必要なツールを提供します。
      
+
      これらのパッケージをインストールするには、次のコマンドを使用します。
      
+
      su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make w3m'
      
+
      
+
      4.1. 始めるには
      
+
      Fedora ドキュメントは docs/ ディレクトリー配下の CVS リポジトリーに格納されています。利用可能なモジュールを一覧表示させるには次のコマンドを実行します (username はあなたの Fedora アカウントのユーザー名で置き換えてください): 
      
+
      export CVSROOT=:ext:username@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
+cvs co -c
      
+
      翻訳を行うモジュールをダウンロードするには、リポジトリーにある現在のモジュールを一覧表示させてからそのモジュールを取り出します。また、他のモジュールと動作する docs-common モジュールも取り出さなければなりません。
      
+
      cvs co release-notes docs-common
      
+
      いくつかのモジュールは リリース依存 であり、これは Fedora のリリースごとに 分岐 やサブディレクトリーを持つことを意味します:
      
+
      ls release-notes/
+CVS  F-7  FC-5  FC-6  FC3  FC4  devel
      
+
      devel/ 分岐は Fedora の 次回の リリースのために使用されます。しばしば翻訳者はこの分岐上で作業し、必要に応じて以前の分岐へ変更を移します。
      
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
      [ティップ]最小の取り出し方
      
+
      もう一つの方法はモジュールの別名を使うことです。version だけを指定して release-notes-version の別名を使って取り出します。この方法は バージョンのついたサブディレクトリーと、docs-common モジュールが release-notes-version というひとつのディレクӠ!
 8;リーに入ります。例えば、-devel バージョンのみを取り出すにはこのコマンドを使います:
      
+
      cvs co release-notes-devel
      
+
      文書を構築する上で必要な全てのものが release-notes-devel/ ディレクトリーにあります:
      
+
      ls release-notes-devel
+CVS  docs-common  release-notes
      
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      4.2. 共通エンティティーのファイルを作成
      
+
      そのロケールではじめて翻訳を行う場合のみ、最初に該当ロケールのすべてのドキュメントで使用される共通ファイルをいくつか翻訳しなければなりません。共通ファイルは docs-common/common/ にあります。
      
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
      [注意]ロケールの例は pt_BR です
      以下の例ではロケールコードとして pt_BR を使っています。必要に応じてこれらのコマンドであなたのロケールに置き換えてください。
      
+
        
+
      1. docs-common/common/entities にある README.txt ファイルを読み、指示に従って新しいエンティティーを作ってください。
        2. 
+
      2. 
+
        自分のロケール用の共通エンティティーを作成して、それを CVS に書き込んだら、 legal notice のロケールファイルを作成します:
        
+
        cd docs-common/common/
 cp legalnotice-opl-en_US.xml legalnotice-opl-pt_BR.xml
-
        [????????????]Legal Notice ????????????????????????????????????
        ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? OPL ????????????????????????????????????
      3. ??????????????????????????? CVS ???????????????????????????
        -cvs add legalnotice-opl-pt_BR.xml
-cvs ci -m 'Added legal notice for pt_BR' legalnotice-opl-pt_BR.xml
-
      4. ?????????docs-common/images/ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? watermark  ?????????????????????
        -cd docs-common/images/
-cp watermark-en_US.svg watermark-pt_BR.svg
-
        SVG ?????? text ??????????????????????????????????????????????????? SVG ??????????????? Makefile ??????????????? PNG ???????????????????????????????????????????????????
        -make watermark-pt_BR.png
+cp legalnotice-relnotes-en_US.xml legalnotice-relnotes-pt_BR.xml	
+
        
+
        
+
+
+
+
+
+
        [重要項目]Legal Notice は翻訳しないでください。
        すべてのロケールで法律的に同等であることを保証するため、OPL は翻訳しないでください。
        
+
        5. 
+
      5. 
+
        次にこれらのファイルも CVS に書き込みます:
        
+
        cvs add legalnotice-*-pt_BR.xml
+cvs ci -m 'Added legal notices for pt_BR' legalnotice-*-pt_BR.xml
        
+
        6. 
+
      6. 
+
        次に、docs-common/images/ フォルダーにある該当言語のドラフト watermark を構築します。
        
+
        cd docs-common/images/
+cp watermark-en_US.svg watermark-pt_BR.svg
        
+
        SVG 内の text 部分を翻訳します。次に、該当言語の SVG ファイルを Makefile に追加して PNG を生成し生成結果を書き込みます。
        
+
        make watermark-pt_BR.png
 cvs add watermark-pt_BR*
-cvs ci -m 'Added pt_BR images' Makefile watermark-pt_BR*
-
      [????????????]?????????????????????
      ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
      4.3. ??????????????????????????????????????????
      [??????]po/ ?????????????????????????????????
      po/ ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
      -mkdir po
+cvs ci -m 'Added pt_BR images' Makefile watermark-pt_BR*
      
+
+
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
      [重要項目]ビルドのエラー
      これら共通エンティティーを作成しないとドキュメントのビルドが失敗する場合があります。
      
+
+
      
+
      4.3. 翻訳アプリケーションの使い方
      
+
      po/ ディレクトリーには内容の翻訳に使われる .po ファイルが入っています。このディレクトリーには新しい .po ファイルを作る時に使われる PO テンプレート、 .pot ファイルも入っています。
      
+
      po/ ディレクトリーが存在しない場合、次のコマンドでディレクトリー及び翻訳用テンプレートファイルを作成します。
      
+
      mkdir po
 cvs add po/
 make pot
-
      KBabel ??? gtranslator ???????????? .po ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
      1. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
        -cd ~/docs/example-tutorial
-
      2. Makefile ?????????????????????????????????????????? OTHERS ???????????????????????????
        -OTHERS = it pt_BR
-
        [??????]??????????????????????????????
        ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? OTHERS ????????????????????????????????????????????????(#) ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
      3. ????????????????????????????????? .po ????????????????????? (Make) ????????????
        -make po/pt_BR.po
-
      4. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
        -kbabel po/pt_BR.po
-
      5. HTML ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
        -make html-pt_BR
-
      6. ?????????????????? .po ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
        -cvs ci -m 'Message about commit' po/pt_BR.po
-
        [????????????]Makefile ?????????????????????
        ????????????????????????????????? Makefile ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
        -cvs ci -m 'Translation to pt_BR finished' Makefile
-
      ?????????????????????
      3. ??????????????????????????????????????????????
      
+
      +
      + + + + + +
      [注意]POT を手で変更してはいけません

      著者や編集者はソース XML ファイルから POT ファイルを生成し、これにより POT ファイルへの手での変更は上書きされてしまいます。POT ファイルのオリジナルメッセージに問題を見つけたら、https://bugzilla.redhat.com にある Bugzilla を訪れ、ドキュメントのバグを報告して下さい! 。

      +

      KBabel や gtranslator のような .po エディターを使って作業するには、次の手順に従います。

      +
      + + + + + +
      [注意]ロケールの例は pt_BR です

      以下の例ではロケールコードとして pt_BR を使っています。必要に応じてこれらのコマンドであなたのロケールに置き換えてください。

      +
        +
      1. +

        ディレクトリーの変更

        +

        ターミナルで翻訳を行おうとしているドキュメントのディレクトリーに移動します。

        +
        cd ~/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/
        +
        2. +
      2. +

        一覧にロケールを追加

        +

        あなたのロケールを追加するには適切なロケールリストを位置づけ、変更しなければなりません。一部のドキュメントは GNOME プロジェクトで標準化された、ロケール追跡のための po/LINGUAS ファイルを使用しています。一部のドキュメントはまだこの標準化に更新されていませ! ん。あなたが翻訳しようとしているものが更新されていなければ、Fedora ドキュメントプロジェクトに通知するか、Bugzilla を使って報告してください。

        +

        好きなエディターを使って po/LINGUAS ファイル内で、自分の翻訳言語コードを追加します。例えば、

        +
        vi po/LINGUAS
        +

        変更し、あなたの言語を追加するには 'a' を押してください。追加したら保存してエディターを終了してください。

        +

        一覧のアルファベット順を維持するようにしてください。 +

        +
        3. +
      3. +

        PO ファイルの作成

        +

        自分のロケール用の新規 .po ファイルを作成します:

        +
        make po/pt_BR.po
        +
        4. +
      4. +

        文字列の翻訳

        +

        ファイルを翻訳するには、ソフトウェアを翻訳するのに使用するのと同じアプリケーションを使用します:

        +
        kbabel po/pt_BR.po
        +
        5. +
      5. +

        完全性のチェック

        +

        変更を書き出す前に XML の完全性を以下のコマンドでチェックします。全利用者のために正しいビルドを確認します。

        +
        make html-pt_BR
        +

        結果の HTML ファイルをウェブブラウザーで読むことができます。HTML が生成されなかったら、出力中にエラーメッセージが見つかるでしょう。書き出す前に解決してください。

        +
        + + + + + +
        [重要項目]いつも翻訳をテストしてください

        このステップで成果をテストするまで、次のステップに行ったり、変更を書き込んだりしないでください。間違った変更は他の利用者や、編集者、自動アプリケーションのためのドキュメントを壊しかねません。

        +
        6. +
      6. +

        成果の書き出し

        +

        .po ファイルを書き出す前に、html ファイルが正常に作成できることを確認してください。書き出し時に完了率や、他の有用なメッセージを残せます。

        +
        cvs ci -m '翻訳中... 400/10/126' po/pt_BR.po
        +
        7. +
      +
    +
    +

    4.4. 何を翻訳するのか

    +

    各リリースで最も重要なドキュメントモジュールやディレクトリーは以下です:

    +
      +

    • docs-common/common/entities

      • +

    • release-notes/devel

      • +

    • homepage/devel

      • +

    • install-guide/devel

      • +

    • about-fedora/devel

      • +

    • readme/devel

      • +

    • readme-burning-isos/devel

      • +

    • readme-live-image/devel

      • +
    +

    ドキュメントリポジトリーで利用可能な全てのドキュメントを見るにはこれを実行します:

    +
    export CVSROOT=:ext:username@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
+cvs co -c
    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +前のページ   次のページ +
    3. ソフトウェアを翻訳する ホーム 目次
    +
    + Index: sn_translating_software.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/ja_JP/sn_translating_software.php,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- sn_translating_software.php 9 Aug 2006 11:42:29 -0000 1.1 +++ sn_translating_software.php 23 May 2008 17:19:33 -0000 1.2 @@ -1,34 +1,160 @@ + + + +3. ソフトウェアを翻訳する + + + + + + + + initCommon(); +$template->initCommon(); $template->displayHeader(); ?> -
    3. ?????????????????????????????????
    ????????????????????????????????????

    3. ?????????????????????????????????

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? po ???????????????????????????????????? Fedora Project ?????????????????????????????? CVS ?????????????????? translate/ ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????! ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -export CVS_RSH=ssh
-export CVSROOT=:ext:username@i18n.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS 
-cvs -z9 co translate/
-

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? .po ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? anaconda.pot ?????????????????? .pot ??????zh_CN.po??? de.po ????????????????????????????????? .po ????????????????????????????????????

    ??????????????????????????????????????? http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? take ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Email ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    3.1. ??????????????????

    1. Take ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -cd ~/translate/package_name
-

    2. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -cvs up
-

    3. KBabel ??? gtranslator ????????? .po ????????????????????????????????? .po ????????????????????????????????????????????? KBabel ????????????????????? .po ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -kbabel es.po
-

    4. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -cvs commit -m 'comments' lang.po
-

    5. ????????????????????????????????? release ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    3.2. ??????

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    1. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -cd ~/translate/package_name
-

    2. msgfmt ???????????? .po ??????????????? .mo ?????????????????????????????????

      -msgfmt lang.po
-

    3. /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/ ?????????????????? .mo ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -cp /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/package_name.mo package_name.mo-backup
-mv package_name.mo /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/
-

    4. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -LANG=lang rpm -qi package_name
-

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    ????????????????????????????????????
    2. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????4. ?????????????????????????????????
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    3. ソフトウェアを翻訳する
    +前のページ   次のページ +
    +
    +
    +
    +

    3. ソフトウェアを翻訳する

    +

    ソフトウェアパッケージの翻訳できる部分は 1 つ以上の po ファイルにあります。これらのファイルはプロジェクトにより CVS や、Subversion、Mercurial、git といった多くのバージョン制御システム (VCS) のどれかで保守されています。これらは fedoraproject.org か、他のシステムをホストとしてӓ! 6;ます。

    +

    この章では fedoraproject.org をホストとするモジュールの翻訳方法を説明します。翻訳者は、モジュールを入手するためのインターフェースと、モジュールを書き出すためのインターフェースの 2つのインターフェースで作業します。開始する前に、po ファイルを保持する! 2487;ィレクトリーを用意しなければなりません。

    +
    +

    3.1. ファイル構造

    +

    どのモジュールが翻訳可能かを見つけるには、https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/ にあるモジュールリストを見ます。

    +

    ファイルをダウンロードする前に、これらのファイルを保持する構造を用意します。以下に記述されている構造は例であり、異なる構造でもかまいません。例えば、comps モジュールを翻訳のためにダウンロードしたいのならば、以下のディレクトリーを作成します:

    +
    mkdir -p ~/myproject/comps/
    +

    後に他のモジュールを作業できるように、~/myproject/system-config-printer/ のように親ディレクトリーの下に、モジュール名でディレクトリーを作成します。

    +
    +
    +

    3.2. モジュールの入手と翻訳

    +

    ディレクトリー構造の準備ができたので、翻訳するファイルをダウンロードできます。衝突を避けるためにあなたの言語チームの他の翻訳者と連絡を取る必要があるかもしれません。よく分からなかったら、あなたの言語の調整者に連絡してください。

    +
      +

    1. http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/ のようなあなたの言語のページへ行き、対象リリースを選択します。インターフェースが http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/fedora-9/ のような、そのリリースのためのページにリダイレクトします。

      2. +

    2. そのリリースで利用可能な全モジュールの表を探してページをスクロールダウンします。前の節で作成したディレクトリーに po ファイルをダウンロードするために個々のモジュールの横にある緑色のダウンロードアイコンを使用します。

      3. +
    3. +

      書き出すファイルの名前は 言語.po という命名規約に従う必要があるので、ダウンロードしたファイルの名前を変更します。以下の例では po ファイルのために日本語ロケールを使用しています:

      +
      ls ~/myproject/comps/
+comps.HEAD.ja.po
+mv ~/myproject/comps/comps.HEAD.ja.po ja.po 
+ls ~/myproject/comps/
+ja.po
      +
      4. +

    4. ファイルは翻訳の準備が整いました。KBabel や gtranslator などの po エディターで自分の言語の po ファイルを翻訳します。

      5. +
    5. +

      書き出す前にファイルの完全性をチェックします。

      +
      msgfmt -cvo /dev/null ja.po
      +
      6. +
    +
    + + + + + +
    [重要項目]重要項目

    エラーメッセージが出たら、書き出す前に訂正してください。

    +
    +
    +

    3.3. モジュールの書き出し

    +

    翻訳が完了したら、Transifex と呼ばれる別のインターフェースを使ってファイルを書き出します。このウェブツールに関する詳細な情報は https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/ で見つけることができます。

    +
      +

    1. https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/ へ行き、Jump to Modules! のリンクをクリックして Modules and repositories ページへ行きます。このページにはあなたが書き出すことができる全てのモジュールを表示しています。一覧から書き出そうしているモジュールを探し、そのモジュ&#! 12540;ルの Submit ページを訪れるためにそれを選択します。

      2. +
    2. +

      ログイン

      +

      Submit ページの下端で Authenticate as a translator を選択して Login ページを訪れます。Fedora Account System のユーザー名とパスワードで認証を受けます。ログインに成功したら、Submit ページが現れます。

      +
      3. +
    3. +

      送出

      +

      Local file というラベルのセクションで、翻訳したファイルを位置づけるためにブラウズボタンをクリックします。

      +

      Destination file というラベルのセクションで、言語を選択するために Overwrite an existing file: というラベルのドロップダウンメニューをクリックします。

      +

      Commit message というラベルのセクションで作業を記述したコメントを入れます。

      +

      Preview ボタンを選択して Preview submission ページに進みます。変更を確認するために Differences セクションをチェックし、Submit ボタンを選択します。

      +

      Submit ページが現れ、Your submission was committed successfully のメッセージが表示されます。エラーや他の成功メッセージが出たら Fedora Localization Project のメーリングリストにポストして伝えて下さい。

      +
      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    3.4. 新しい .po ファイルの追加

    +

    自分の言語用の po ファイルがなければ、それを追加します。

    +
      +
    1. +

      pot ファイルをダウンロードし、それをあなたの言語の po ファイルとしてコピーします。

      +
      cp ~/myproject/comps/comps.HEAD.pot ja.po
+kbabel ja.po
+msgfmt -cvo /dev/null ja.po
      +
      2. +

    2. いったん翻訳が終わったら、以前のセクションに書かれているのと同様に翻訳の確認をし、書き出します。

      3. +
    3. +

      Destination file というラベルのセクションで、Type the name for a new one: とマークをつけられた領域に、自分のロケールにファイル名を変更してタイプします:

      +
      po/ja.po
      +
      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    3.5. 査読

    +

    ソフトウェアの一部の形で自分が作業した翻訳を査読したい場合は、次の手順に従います:

    +
      +
    1. +

      査読を行いたいパッケージのディレクトリに移動します。例えば、

      +
      cd ~/myproject/system-config-printer/
      +
      2. +
    2. +

      -o オプションを付けて msgfmt を使い、.po ファイルを .mo ファイルに変換します:

      +
      msgfmt -o system-config-printer.mo ja.po
      +
      3. +
    3. +

      root ユーザーで /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/ にある既存の .mo ファイルを上書きします。

      +

      先に、既存ファイルをバックアップします:

      +
      su -
      +
      cp /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/system-config-printer.mo system-config-printer.mo-backup
      +

      査読用に変換されたファイルを移動します。

      +
      mv system-config-printer.mo /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/
      +

      root ユーザーから抜け出します。

      +
      出口
      +
      4. +
    4. +

      アプリケーションの一部の形で翻訳された文字列とパッケージを査読します:

      +
      LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8system-config-printer
      +
      5. +
    +

    翻訳されたパッケージに関連するアプリケーションが翻訳文字列を使用して実行されます。

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +前のページ   次のページ +
    2. アカウントと登録 ホーム 4. ドキュメントを翻訳する
    +
    + From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fri May 23 17:20:04 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:04 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pl legalnotice-opl.php, NONE, 1.1 generated-index.php, 1.2, 1.3 index.php, 1.8, 1.9 rv-revhistory.php, 1.8, 1.9 sn_accounts.php, 1.8, 1.9 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.8, 1.9 sn_translating_software.php, 1.8, 1.9 Message-ID: <200805231720.m4NHK4fB018014@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pl In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv17777/pl Modified Files: generated-index.php index.php rv-revhistory.php sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php sn_translating_software.php Added Files: legalnotice-opl.php Log Message: Update to TQSG 0.5 and make sure hu, pl, nl, ja, and zh_CN are available as well ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice-opl.php' Index: generated-index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pl/generated-index.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- generated-index.php 5 Sep 2007 15:58:12 -0000 1.2 +++ generated-index.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,14 @@ + + + +Indeks + + + + + + + -
    Indeks
    Poprzedni   

    Indeks

    Poprzedni   
    4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji Spis treści 
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    Indeks
    +Poprzedni   
    +
    +
    +
    +

    Indeks

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +Poprzedni   
    4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji Spis treści 
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pl/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.8 retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.8 -r1.9 --- index.php 5 Sep 2007 15:58:12 -0000 1.8 +++ index.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.9 @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@ + + + +Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczeniu + + + + + + -
    Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczeniu
       Następny

    Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczeniu

    Manuel Ospina

    Redakcja:

    Paul W. Frields

    Redakcja:

    Noriko Mizumoto

    Hugo Cisneiros

    Francesco Tombolini

    Andrew Martynov

    José Pires

    Bart Courveur

    Dimitris Glezos

    Damien Durand

    Guillermo Gomez

    Diego Búrigo Zacarão

    Version 0.3.8.1 (2007-09-04)

    Copyright © 2005, 2006, 2007 Red Hat, Inc. i inni

    1. Wstęp
    2. Konta i subskrypcja
    2.1. Tworzenie klucza SSH
    2.2. Konta do tłumaczenia oprogramowania
    2.3. Konta dla dokumentacji
    3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
    3.1. Tłumaczenie
    3.2. Korekta
    4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
    4.1. Pobieranie dokumentacji
    4.2. Tworzenie wspólnych plików
    !
    4.3. Używanie aplikacji do tłumaczenia
    Indeks

    1. Wstęp

    Ten przewodnik jest szybkim, prostym zestawem instrukcji krok po kroku tłumaczenia oprogramowania i dokumentów Projektu Fedora. Jeśli chciałbyś lepiej zrozumieć proces tłumaczenia, przeczytaj Przewodnik tłumaczenia lub podręcznik danego narzędzia do tłumaczenia.

       Następny
     !   2. Konta i subskrypcja
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczeniu
       Następny +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +

    Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczeniu

    +
    +

    +Manuel Ospina +

    +
    +

    Redakcja:

    +

    +Paul W. Frields +

    +
    +
    +

    Redakcja:

    +

    +Noriko Mizumoto +

    +
    +
    +

    Redakcja:

    +

    +Dimitris Glezos +

    +
    +
    +

    +Hugo Cisneiros +

    +

    +Francesco Tombolini +

    +

    +Andrew Martynov +

    +

    +José Pires +

    +

    +Bart Courveur +

    +

    +Damien Durand +

    +

    +Guillermo Gomez +

    +

    +Diego Búrigo Zacarão +

    +

    Version 0.5 (2008-04-18)

    +

    Copyright © 2005, 2006, 2007 Red Hat, Inc. i inni

    +
    + +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    1. Wstęp
    +
    2. Konta i subskrypcja
    +
    +
    2.1. Subskrybowanie list mailingowych
    +
    2.2. Tworzenie klucza SSH
    +
    2.3. Tworzenie klucza GPG
    +
    2.4. Zakładanie konta
    +
    2.5. Podpisywanie CLA
    +
    2.6. Dołączanie do grupy cvsl10n
    +
    2.7. Testowanie dostępu
    +
    2.8. Tworzenie konta wiki
    +
    2.9. Wprowadzenie
    +
    2.10. Utwórz konto w Bugzilli
    +
    2.11. Lista do sprawdzenia
    +
    +
    3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
    +
    +
    3.1. Struktura plików
    +
    3.2. Pobieranie i tłumaczenie modułów
    +
    3.3. Wysyłanie modułów
    +
    3.4. Dodawanie nowego pliku .po
    +
    3.5. Korekta
    +
    +
    4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
    +
    +
    4.1. Rozpoczynanie
    +
    4.2. Tworzenie wspólnych plików
    +
    4.3. Używanie aplikacji do tłumaczenia
    +
    4.4. Co przetłumaczyć
    +
    +
    Indeks
    +
    +
    +

    1. Wstęp

    +

    Ten przewodnik jest szybkim, prostym zestawem instrukcji krok po kroku tłumaczenia oprogramowania i dokumentów Projektu Fedora. Jeśli chciałbyś lepiej zrozumieć proces tłumaczenia, przeczytaj Przewodnik tłumaczenia lub podręcznik danego narzędzia do tłumaczenia.

    +

    Więcej informacji można znaleźć w FAQ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/FAQ.

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
       Następny +
       2. Konta i subskrypcja
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: rv-revhistory.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pl/rv-revhistory.php,v retrieving revision 1.8 retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.8 -r1.9 --- rv-revhistory.php 5 Sep 2007 15:58:12 -0000 1.8 +++ rv-revhistory.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.9 @@ -1,3 +1,10 @@ + + + +Historia zmian + + + -
    +
    Historia zmian
    Zmiana 0.3.8.12007-09-04
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
    Historia zmian
    Zmiana 0.52008-04-18NM
    +

    + Zaktualizowanie rozdziału konta i subskrypcje, aby zgadzał + się z obecnym FAS2. Kilka małych zmian w innych + rozdziałach, razem ze zgłoszonymi błędami. +

    +
    Zmiana 0.4.12008-03-19NM
    +

    + Zastąpienie odnośników w sekcji 3.2. +

    +
    Zmiana 0.42008-03-03DG
    +

    + Usunięcie odniesień do i18n.redhat.com (elvis) +

    +
    Zmiana 0.3.9.22008-02-18PWF
    +

    + Naprawienie adresu do klucza GPG +

    +
    Zmiana 0.3.9.12007-12-23PWF
    +

    + Naprawienie odnośników do systemu Transifex +

    +
    Zmiana 0.3.92007-11-14PWF
    +

    + Poprawienie stylu, gramatyki i czytelności +

    +
    Zmiana 0.3.8.22007-09-28NM
    +

    + Zmodyfikowanie i zaktualizowanie wszystkich rozdziałów, aby + odpowiadały najnowszym informacjom o używaniu Transifeksa, + przeniesionych repozytoriach itp. +

    +
    Zmiana 0.3.8.12007-09-04DZ

    Dodanie informacji o używaniu istniejącego klucza SSH

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.82007-08-23
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.82007-08-23NM

    Rozdzielenie głównego pliku na wiele plików w oparciu o rozdziały

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.7.52007-07-29
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.7.52007-07-29PWF

    Dodanie informacji o LINGUAS i usunięcie niepotrzebnych ostrzeżeń

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.7.42007-07-28
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.7.42007-07-28PWF

    Dodanie informacji o gałęziach modułów i testowaniu zmian

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.7.32007-07-06
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.7.32007-07-06PWF

    Dodanie ostrzeżenia o ręcznych zmianach w POT

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.7.22007-05-29
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.7.22007-05-29MO

    Naprawienie szczegółów o członkostwie w grupie CVS; krótsza lista właścicieli praw autorskich

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.7.12007-04-03
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.7.12007-04-03PWF

    Utworzenie nowych plików POT i PO, aby użyć ogólnych jednostek

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.72006-10-14
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.72006-10-14PWF

    Naprawienie błędnych URL-i (#209900)

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.62006-09-20
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.62006-09-20MO

    Poprawki błędów (#198726, #204266, #205167)

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.52006-08-14
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.52006-08-14PWF

    Zmiana edytorska poprawiająca procedurę, aby pasowała do właściwej kolejności

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.42006-08-10
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.42006-08-10MO

    Dodatkowe informacje o dołączaniu do Projektu dokumentacji i GPG.

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.32006-08-06
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.32006-08-06PWF

    Usunięcie kroków o tłumaczeniu rpm-info, ponieważ jest teraz częścią pliku POT dokumentu

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.22006-07-03
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.22006-07-03PWF

    Naprawienie procedury tłumaczenia dokumentacji (dołączenie tłumaczeń innych wspólnych plików)

    -
    Zmiana 0.3.12006-05-28
    +
    Zmiana 0.3.12006-05-28PWF

    Dodanie informacji o wspólnych jednostkach i ostrzeżenia o wyłączonych lokalizacjach

    -
    Zmiana 0.32006-05-27
    +
    Zmiana 0.32006-05-27PWF

    Naprawienie przewodnika po procedurach i dołączenie jednostek określonych dla dokumentu

    -
    Zmiana 0.2.2.22006-02-13
    +
    Zmiana 0.2.2.22006-02-13PWF

    Przeniesienie do DocBook XML 4.4 i użycie XInclude

    -
    Zmiana 0.2.2.12006-02-02
    +
    Zmiana 0.2.2.12006-02-02PWF

    Naprawienie literówek (#179717)

    -
    Zmiana 0.2.22006-02-01
    +
    Zmiana 0.2.22006-02-01PWF

    Dodanie jednostki do zgłaszania błędów

    -
    Zmiana 0.2.12006-01-30
    +
    Zmiana 0.2.12006-01-30PWF

    Naprawienie błędu nazwy komputera

    -
    Zmiana 0.22006-01-25
    +
    Zmiana 0.22006-01-25PWF

    Dodatkowa edycja stylu, podzielenie procedur na bardziej czytelne sekcje

    -
    Zmiana 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006
    +
    Zmiana 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006PWF

    Pierwsza tura edycji.

    -
    Zmiana 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006
    +
    Zmiana 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006MO

    Pierwszy szkic

    -
    +
    displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: sn_accounts.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pl/sn_accounts.php,v retrieving revision 1.8 retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.8 -r1.9 --- sn_accounts.php 5 Sep 2007 15:58:12 -0000 1.8 +++ sn_accounts.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.9 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +2. Konta i subskrypcja + + + + + + + + -
    2. Konta i subskrypcja
    Poprzedni   Następny

    2. Konta i subskrypcja

    2.1. Tworzenie klucza SSH

    Jeśli masz już klucz SSH, możesz go użyć do pracy z Fedorą. W takim przypadku, przejdź do krok 2. Jeśli jeszcze nie masz klucza SSH, zacznij ! od pierwszego kroku poniżej:

    1. Wpisz następujące polecenie:

      -ssh-keygen -t dsa
-

      Zaakceptuj domyślne położenie (~/.ssh/id_dsa) i podaj długie hasło.

      [Uwaga!]Zapamiętaj swoje długie hasło!

      Będziesz potrzebował długiego hasła, aby uzyskać dostęp do repozytorium CVS. Nie może zostać przywrócone, jeśli je zapomnisz.

    2. Zmień uprawnienia do swojego klucza i folderu .ssh:

      -chmod 700 ~/.ssh
-chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_dsa
-chmod 644 ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub
-

    3. Skopiuj i wklej klucz SSH w odpowiednie miejsce, aby zakończyć zakładanie konta.

    2.2. Konta do tłumaczenia oprogramowania

    Aby wziąć udział w Projekcie Fedora jako tłumacz, potrzebujesz konta. Możesz je założyć pod http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/. Musisz podać nazwę użytkownika, adres e-mail, język docelowy — najprawdopodobniej język, którym posługujesz się na co dzień — i publiczną część swojego klucza SSH.

    Są dwie listy, gdzie można dyskutować o sprawach związanych z tłumaczeniem. Pierwszą jest fedora-trans-list, og! ólna lista dla dyskusji o problemach ważnych dla wszystkich języków. Odwiedź http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list, aby dowiedzieć się więcej. Drugą jest lista określona dla języka, taka jak fedora-trans-pl dla polskich tłumaczy, gdzie można dyskutować o sprawach ważnych tylko dla danej społeczności tłumaczy.

    2.3. Konta dla dokumentacji

    Postępuj zgodnie z tą procedurą, aby zacząć pracować z Projektem dokumentacji Fedory nad tłumaczeniem dokumentacji.

    1. Projekt dokumentacji Fedory zachęca wszystkich członków do podpisywania listów e! -mail kluczem GPG. Aby utworzyć klucz, użyj nast! 1;puj 61;cego polecenia:

      -gpg --gen-key
-

      Seria zapytań przeprowadzi cię przez ten proces. Naciśnij Enter, aby wybrać domyślne wartości.

      Musisz wyeksportować swój klucz publiczny, aby inni ludzie mogli sprawdzić twoje podpisy. Użyj tego polecenia, aby wyeksportować klucz na publiczny serwer:

      -gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys IDKLUCZAGPG
-

    2. Poproś o członkostwo na liście mailingowej Projektu dokumentacji Fedory. Aby to zrobić, wypełnij formularz na http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/.

    3. Powinieneś także wysłać informacje o sobie (po angielsku) na listę mailingową Projektu dokumentacji Fedory. Aby poznać szczegóły, odwiedź http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction.

    4. Musisz także założyć konto Fedory. Odwiedź https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ i wybierz odnośnik Apply for a new account. Po wypełnieniu tego formularza będziesz p! osiadał podstawowe konto.

      Musisz wypełnić Umowę licencyjną współtwórców (CLA), odwiedź http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo, aby poznać instrukcje.

    5. Kiedy poprawnie wypełnisz CLA, wróć do systemu kont i wybierz Edit Your Account. Podaj hasło, które otrzymałeś listem e-mail i wybierz Add new membership na dole strony. W polu Groupname podaj cvsl10n i wybierz Add. Ta operacja wyśle prośbę o przyznanie dostępu do repozytorium CVS, gdzie jest przechowywana dok! umentacja.

      [WAŻNE]Dostęp do CVS-a nie jest przyznawany automatycznie

      Kiedy wypełnisz ten formularz, nie otrzymasz automatycznie uprawnień do zapisu w repozytorium CVS. Możesz potrzebować sponsoringu od jednego z menedżerów Projektu dokumentacji Fedory, aby dostać te uprawnienia.

    6. Następnym krokiem jest utworzenie konta na wiki. Wypełnij formularz na http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences i wybierz Utwórz profil.

    7. Skontaktuj się z jakąś osobą z up! rawnieniami do zapisu i poproś o dodanie do konta edycji na wiki w http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup. Możesz to zrobić na IRC-u lub pisząc na listę mailingową fedora-docs-list, do której dołączyłeś w poprzednim kroku.

    Poprzedni   Następny
    Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczeniu Spis treści 3. Tłumaczenie op! rogramowania
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    2. Konta i subskrypcja
    +Poprzedni   Następny +
    +
    +
    +
    +

    2. Konta i subskrypcja

    +

    Aby zostać tłumaczem Fedory, musisz założyć konta i subskrypcje, jak opisano w tym rozdziale. Jeśli masz jakieś pytania, wyślij je na fedora-trans-list lub poproś o pomoc przez IRC na irc.freenode.org na kanale #fedora-l10n.

    +
    +

    2.1. Subskrybowanie list mailingowych

    +
      +

    1. Odwiedź https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list/ i subskrybuj główną listę mailingową tłumaczy.

      2. +

    2. Poczekaj na e-mail potwierdzający, który zawiera odnośnik służący do potwierdzenia subskrypcji. Naciśnij na niego, aby potwierdzić subskrypcję.

      3. +

    3. Sprawdź http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/, aby zobaczyć, czy istnieje specjalna lista mailingowa na twojego języka. Jeśli tak, subskrybuj ją.

      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.2. Tworzenie klucza SSH

    +

    Jeśli masz już klucz SSH, możesz go użyć do pracy z Fedorą. W takim przypadku, przejdź do krok 2. Jeśli jeszcze nie masz klucza SSH, zacznij od pierwszego kroku poniżej:

    +
      +
    1. +

      Wpisz następujące polecenie:

      +
      ssh-keygen -t dsa
      +

      Zaakceptuj domyślne położenie (~/.ssh/id_dsa) i podaj długie hasło.

      +
      + + + + + +
      [Uwaga!]Zapamiętaj swoje długie hasło!

      Będziesz potrzebował długiego hasła, aby uzyskać dostęp do repozytorium CVS. Nie może zostać przywrócone, jeśli je zapomnisz.

      +
      2. +
    2. +

      Zmień uprawnienia do swojego klucza i folderu .ssh:

      +
      chmod 700 ~/.ssh chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_dsa chmod 644 ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub
      +
      3. +

    3. Ten klucz publiczny (~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub) zostanie użyty do utworzenia konta Fedory, jak opisano w Sekcja 2.4, „Zakładanie konta”.

      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.3. Tworzenie klucza GPG

    +
      +
    1. +

      Utwórz klucz podają w wierszu poleceń:

      +
      gpg --gen-key
      +

      Seria zapytań przeprowadzi cię przez ten proces. Domyślne wartości są wystarczające w prawie wszystkich przypadkach. Pamiętaj, aby wybrać dobre hasło.

      +
      + + + + + +
      [Podpowiedź]Wybieranie dobrego hasła
      +

      Dobre hasło:

      +
        +

      • składa się z małych i dużych znaków, liczb, znaków interpunkcyjnych i innych

        • +

      • nie zawiera żadnych wyrazów ani nazw, nawet z pozamienianymi znakami

        • +

      • jest inne niż jakiekolwiek hasło używane w innych systemach

        • +
      +
      +
      2. +

    2. W tekście wynikowym znajdź ID klucza w zdaniu, które zawiera "pub 1024D/1B2AFA1C". ID klucza to ośmioznakowe "słowo" po ukośniku (/). W poprzednim przykładzie ID klucza GPG to 1B2AFA1C. Zapisz ID swojego klucza.

      3. +
    3. +

      Za pomocą poniższego polecenia, podstawiając ID swojego klucza, wyeksportuj klucz publiczny do serwera publicznego, aby inni mogli go zaleźć:

      +
      gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --send-keys IDKLUCZAGPG
      +
      4. +

    4. Ten identyfikator klucza GPG zostanie użyty do utworzenia konta Fedory, jak opisano w Sekcja 2.4, „Zakładanie konta”.

      5. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.4. Zakładanie konta

    +
      +

    1. Aby założyć konto Fedory, najpierw odwiedź https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ i wybierz New Account.

      2. +

    2. Wypełnij Nazwa użytkownika, Imię i nazwisko i E-mail oraz naciśnij Załóż konto!. Hasło zostanie wysłane w e-mailu.

      3. +

    3. Cofnij się do https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ i zaloguj się używając hasła. Zostanie wyświetlona strona powitalna, która przypomni ci o niewypełnionym CLA i nieprzesłanym kluczu SSH.

      4. +

    4. Aby wysłać publiczny klucz SSH i identyfikator klucza GPG, naciśnij Moje konto lub przejdź do https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit.

      5. +

    5. Na stronie Edytuj konto (nazwa_użytkownika) podaj identyfikator klucza GPG w polu Identyfikator klucza GPG:. Dla publicznego klucza SSH naciśnij przycisk Przeglądaj... położony obok pola Publiczny klucz SSH: i podaj swój publiczny klucz SSH.

      6. +

    6. Pola Numer telefonu i Adres pocztowy są także wymagane, aby podpisać CLA. Te informacje NIE są dostępne dla innych, poza grupami administratorów. Zobacz Politykę prywatności Fedory na http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/PrivacyPolicy.

      7. +

    7. Inne pola zostaną wyświetlone wszystkim członkom odwiedzającym stronę użytkownika.

      8. +

    8. Teraz naciśnij Zapisz!, położony na dole tej strony, aby zapisać informacje.

      9. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.5. Podpisywanie CLA

    +

    Musisz podpisać Umowę licencyjną współtwórcy CLA.

    +
      +

    1. Odwiedź https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ i zaloguj się na swoje konto używając nazwy użytkownika i hasła uzyskanego w poprzednim procesie.

      2. +

    2. Na stronie powitalnej naciśnij wypełnij CLA lub przejdź do https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit.

      3. +

    3. Jeśli nie podałeś jeszcze informacji o numerze telefonu i adresie pocztowym, nie pojawi się strona Edytuj konto (nazwa_użytkownika). W innym przypadku zostanie wyświetlona strona Warunków licencji współtwórcy Fedory. Przeczytaj umowę uważnie i naciśnij Zgadzam się, jeśli chcesz to zrobić.

      4. +

    4. Pojawi się strona przeglądania użytkownika i wyświetli pole CLA: jako Zakończono CLA.

      5. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.6. Dołączanie do grupy cvsl10n +

    +
      +

    1. Na stronie przeglądania użytkownika naciśnij Wyślij aplikację nowej grupy na lewym pasku. Jeśli chcesz wykonać ten krok później, można przejść do strony przeglądania użytkownika na https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/view/nazwa_użytkownika.

      2. +

    2. Naciśnięcie litery C zwraca listę grup zaczynających się na "c".

      3. +

    3. Znajdź na liście nazwę grupy cvsl10n i naciśnij Wyślij aplikację.

      4. +

    4. Administrator został powiadomiony o twoim zgłoszeniu i zasponsoruje się. Może to zająć od godziny do kilku dni. Dostaniesz e-mail z powiadomieniem o członkostwie, kiedy zostaniesz zasponsorowany.

      5. +
    +
    + + + + + +
    [Uwaga!]Uwaga!

    Pozostałe kroki pomogą przetestować twój dostęp i uprawnienia do całej infrastruktury Fedory, której możesz potrzebować w bliskiej przyszłości. Opiekuni języków i ludzie zakładający nowy zespół powinni się do nich zastosować. Mimo, że są opcjonalne dla tłumaczy, zalecane jest przyjrzenie się im.

    +
    +
    +

    2.7. Testowanie dostępu

    +
      +
    1. +

      Zainstaluj pakiet cvs, jeśli nie jest jeszcze zainstalowany, używając następującego polecenia:

      +
      su -c 'yum install cvs'
      +
      2. +
    2. +

      Pobierz kilka plików PO za pomocą poniższego polecenia, podstawiając swoją nazwę użytkownika i podając długie hasło klucza SSH, kiedy zostaniesz o nie poproszony:

      +
      export CVSROOT=:ext:nazwa_użytkownika@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/l10n cvs co web ls web/flpweb/po
      +
      3. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.8. Tworzenie konta wiki

    +
      +

    1. Obecny użytkownik wiki może dać dostęp do modyfikowania stron. Skontaktuj się z kimś z grupy edycji na http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup/ lub dodaj swoje imię i nazwisko do kolejki na http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue/, a ktoś doda cię do grupy w najbliższym czasie.

      2. +

    2. Odwiedź http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences/ i utwórz stronę profilu. Jako nazwę użytkownika wybierz "ImięNazwisko" i wybierz Create Profile.

      3. +

    3. Jeśli zakładasz nowy zespół lub chcesz zostać opiekunem, dodaj informacje na stronie L10N/Teams na http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/.

      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.9. Wprowadzenie

    +
      +

    1. Kiedy będziesz już miał dostęp do modyfikowania wiki, utwórz swoją osobistą stronę pod adresem podobnym do tego: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ImięNazwisko/. Jest to bardzo przydatne dla współtwórców Fedory, aby wiedzieć, jak się z tobą skontaktować.

      2. +

    2. Wyślij krótkie wprowadzenie http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join/SelfIntroduction/ na listę mailingową fedora-trans-list oraz na listę twojego zespołu.

      3. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.10. Utwórz konto w Bugzilli

    +

    Odwiedź https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi/, aby założyć konto w Bugzilli.

    +
    +
    +

    2.11. Lista do sprawdzenia

    +

    Powinieneś teraz posiadać:

    +
      +

    • Subskrypcję listy mailingowej fedora-trans-list i listy dla twojego języka, jeśli taka istnieje

      • +

    • Klucz SSH

      • +

    • Klucz GPG

      • +

    • Konto Fedory

      • +

    • Członkostwo w grupie cvsl10n

      • +

    • Konto wiki

      • +

    • Twój język i zespół tłumaczenia powinien pojawić się na http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/

      • +

    • Konto w Bugzilli

      • +

    • Osobista strona domowa na wiki

      • +

    • Wprowadzenie wysłane na listę mailingową

      • +
    +

    Usiądź wygodnie i ciesz się swoim osiągnięciem. Jesteś teraz pełnoprawnym członkiem społeczności Fedory, możesz cyfrowo podpisywać dokumenty i e-maile, wysyłać swoją pracę do naszego CVS-a, publikować na wiki, wysyłać zgłoszenia błędów, śledzić dyskusje na naszych grupach i dołączać do innych zespołów Fedory.

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +Poprzedni   Następny +
    Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczeniu Spis treści 3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: sn_translating_docs.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pl/sn_translating_docs.php,v retrieving revision 1.8 retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.8 -r1.9 --- sn_translating_docs.php 5 Sep 2007 15:58:12 -0000 1.8 +++ sn_translating_docs.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.9 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji + + + + + + + + -
    4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
    Poprzedni   Następny

    4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji

    Aby tłumaczyć dokumentację, potrzebujesz Fedorę Core 5 lub późniejszą z zainstalowanymi następującymi pakietami:

    • gnome-doc-utils

    • xmlto

    • make

    Aby zainstalować te pakiety, użyj następującego polecenia:

    -su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make'
-

    4.1. Pobieranie dokumentacji

    Dokumentacja Fedory również jest przechowywana w repozytorium CVS w folderze docs/. Proces pobierania dokumentacji jest podobny do tego używanego do plików .po. Aby wyświetlić listę dostępnych modułów, wykonaj następujące polecenia:

    -export CVSROOT=:ext:nazwa_użytkownika@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
-cvs co -c
-

    Aby pobrać moduł do przetłumaczenia, wyświetl listę modułów w repozytorium i pobierz go. Musisz pobrać także moduł docs-common, aby móc pracować nad niektórymi modułami.

    -cvs co przykładowy-dokument docs-common
-

    Moduły utworzone dla każdego wydania Fedory są dzielone na gałęzie. Gałąź wskazuje na wydanie, dla którego dany dokument został utworzony. Na przykład moduł release-notes-F-7 zawiera gałąź Informacji o wydaniu utworzoną dla Fedory 7.

    Dokumenty są pisane w formacie DocBook XML. Każdy jest przechowywany w folderze o nazwie określonej dla każdego języka, tak jak en_US/przykładowy-dokument.xml. Pliki .po tłumaczeń są przechowywane w folderze po/.

    4.2. Tworzenie wspólnych plików

    Jeśli tworzysz pierwsze tł! umaczenie dla danego języka, najpierw musisz przetłumaczyć kilka wspólnych plików używanych we wszystkich dokumentach. Są one położone w docs-common/common/.

    1. Przeczytaj plik README.txt w docs-common/common/entities i postępuj zgodnie ze wskazówkami, aby utworzyć nowe jednostki.

    2. Po utworzeniu wspólnych jednostek dla danego języka i wysłaniu wyników do CVS-u, utwórz plik uwag o legalności dla tego języka:

      -cd docs-common/common/
+
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
      4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
      
+Poprzedni   Następny
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
      
+
      Aby tłumaczyć dokumentację Fedory, zostań członkiem grupy cvsl10n. Aby dowiedzieć się więcej o kontach i subskrypcjach, zobacz Sekcja 2, „Konta i subskrypcja”.
      
+
      Aby tłumaczyć dokumentację, potrzebujesz Fedorę Core 5 lub późniejszą z zainstalowanymi następującymi pakietami:
      
+
        
+
      • gnome-doc-utils
        • 
+
      • xmlto
        • 
+
      • make
        • 
+
      • w3m
        • 
+
      
+
      Pakiet gnome-doc-utils dostarcza polecenie xml2po i nie wymaga instalowania środowiska graficznego GNOME. Pakiety xmlto, make i w3m zawierają narzędzia niezbędne do testowania budowania dokumentacji i tłumaczeń.
      
+
      Aby zainstalować te pakiety, użyj następującego polecenia:
      
+
      su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make w3m'
      
+
      
+
      4.1. Rozpoczynanie
      
+
      Dokumentacja Fedory również jest przechowywana w repozytorium CVS w folderze docs/. Aby wyświetlić listę dostępnych modułów, wykonaj następujące polecenia (zastąp nazwaużytkownika nazwą konta Fedory):
      
+
      export CVSROOT=:ext:nazwa_użytkownika@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
+cvs co -c
      
+
      Aby pobrać moduł do przetłumaczenia, wyświetl listę modułów w repozytorium i pobierz go. Musisz pobrać także moduł docs-common, aby móc pracować nad niektórymi modułami.
      
+
      cvs co release-notes docs-common
      
+
      Niektóre moduły są specyficzne dla wydania, co oznacza, że posiadają gałęzie, czyli podfoldery dla każdego wydania Fedory:
      
+
      ls release-notes/
+CVS  F-7  FC-5  FC-6  FC3  FC4  devel
      
+
      Gałąź devel/ jest używana dla nadchodzącego wydania Fedory. Tłumacze często pracują na tych gałęziach i wprowadzają zmiany z powrotem do poprzednich gałęzi, jeśli jest to potrzebne.
      
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
      [Podpowiedź]Jak uzyskać najmniejsze pliki
      
+
      Inną metodą jest użycie aliasu modułu. Użycie aliasu release-notes-wersja pobiera tylko określoną wersję. Tą metodą uzyskuje się folder wersji i moduł docs-common w jednym folderze, release-notes-wersja. Na przykład aby uzyskać tylko wersję -devel, użyj tego polecenia:
      
+
      cvs co release-notes-devel
      
+
      Wszystko wymagane do zbudowania dokumentu znajduje się teraz w folderze release-notes-devel/:
      
+
      ls release-notes-devel
+CVS  docs-common  release-notes
      
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      4.2. Tworzenie wspólnych plików
      
+
      Jeśli tworzysz pierwsze tłumaczenie dla danego języka, najpierw musisz przetłumaczyć kilka wspólnych plików używanych we wszystkich dokumentach. Są one położone w docs-common/common/.
      
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
      [Notatka]Przykładowy język to pl
+
      Następujące przykłady używają kodu języka pl. Zastąp go kodem swojego języka w tych poleceniach.
      
+
        
+
      1. Przeczytaj plik README.txt w docs-common/common/entities i postępuj zgodnie ze wskazówkami, aby utworzyć nowe jednostki.
        2. 
+
      2. 
+
        Po utworzeniu wspólnych jednostek dla danego języka i wysłaniu wyników do CVS-u, utwórz pliki lokalizacji uwag o legalności:
        
+
        cd docs-common/common/
 cp legalnotice-opl-en_US.xml legalnotice-opl-pl.xml
-
        [WAŻNE]Nie tłumacz uwag o legalności
        Aby mieć pewność, że jest tak samo legalna dla wszystkich języków, nie tłumacz OPL.
      3. Potem również wyślij ten plik do CVS-u:
        -cvs add legalnotice-opl-pl.xml
-cvs ci -m 'Added legal notice for pl' legalnotice-opl-pl.xml
-
      4. Następnie zbuduj znak wodny szkicu dla swojego języka w folderze docs-common/images/:
        -cd docs-common/images/
-cp watermark-en_US.svg watermark-pl.svg
-
        Przetłumacz elementy text w pliku SVG. Potem dodaj plik SVG dla swojego języka do pliku Makefile, utwórz plik PNG i wyślij wyniki:
        -make watermark-pl.png
+cp legalnotice-relnotes-en_US.xml legalnotice-relnotes-pl.xml	
+
        
+
        
+
+
+
+
+
+
        [WAŻNE]Nie tłumacz uwag o legalności
        Aby mieć pewność, że jest tak samo legalna dla wszystkich języków, nie tłumacz OPL.
        
+
        5. 
+
      5. 
+
        Potem również wyślij ten plik do CVS-u:
        
+
        cvs add legalnotice-*-pl.xml
+cvs ci -m 'Added legal notices for pl' legalnotice-*-pl.xml
        
+
        6. 
+
      6. 
+
        Następnie zbuduj znak wodny szkicu dla swojego języka w folderze docs-common/images/:
        
+
        cd docs-common/images/
+cp watermark-en_US.svg watermark-pl.svg
        
+
        Przetłumacz elementy text w pliku SVG. Potem dodaj plik SVG dla swojego języka do pliku Makefile, utwórz plik PNG i wyślij wyniki:
        
+
        make watermark-pl.png
 cvs add watermark-pl*
-cvs ci -m 'Added pl images' Makefile watermark-pl*
-
      [WAŻNE]Błędy budowania
      Jeśli nie utworzysz tych wspólnych jednostek, budowanie dokumentu może się nie powieść.
      4.3. Używanie aplikacji do tłumaczenia
      Jeśli folder po/ nie istnieje, można utworzyć go oraz plik szablonu tłumaczenia za pomocą następujących poleceń:
      -mkdir po
+cvs ci -m 'Added pl images' Makefile watermark-pl*
      
+
      3. +
    +
    + + + + + +
    [WAŻNE]Błędy budowania

    Jeśli nie utworzysz tych wspólnych jednostek, budowanie dokumentu może się nie powieść.

    +
    +
    +

    4.3. Używanie aplikacji do tłumaczenia

    +

    Folder po/ zawiera pliki .po, używane do tłumaczenia zawartości. Zawiera także plik .pot, czyli szablon PO, który jest używany do tworzenia nowych plików .po

    +

    Jeśli folder po/ nie istnieje, można utworzyć go oraz plik szablonu tłumaczenia za pomocą następujących poleceń:

    +
    mkdir po
 cvs add po/
 make pot
-

    Aby pracować z edytorami .po, takimi jak KBabel lub gtranslator, wykonaj te kroki:

    1. W terminalu przejdź do folderu dokumentu, który chcesz przetłumaczyć:

      -cd ~/docs/przykładowy-dokument
-

    2. Aby dodać swój język, musisz znaleźć i zmienić odpowiednią listę języków. Niektóre dokumenty używają pliku po/LINGUAS, jak zostało ustandaryzowane przez projekt GNOME. Niektóre dokumenty nie zostały jeszcze zaktualizowane do tego standardu. Jeśli zobaczysz, że moduł, który tłumaczysz nie został zaktualizowany, powiadom o tym Projekt dokumentacji Fedory lub zgłoś błąd używając Bugzilli.

      W pliku po/LINGUAS dodaj kod języka tłumaczenia do listy. Lista musi być w porządku alfabetycznym.

    3. Utwórz nowy plik .po dla swojego języka:

      -make po/pl.po
-

    4. Teraz można przetłumaczyć plik używając tej samej aplikacji, która jest używana do tłumaczenia oprogramowania:

      -kbabel po/pl.po
-

    5. Przetestuj tłumaczenie używając narzędzi do budowania HTML-a:

      -make html-pl
-
      [WAŻNE]Zawsze przetestuj swoje tłumaczenia

      Nie przechodź do następnego kroku, ani nie wysyłaj zmian, dopóki nie przetestujesz swojego tłumaczenia. Błędne zmiany mogą uszkodzić dokumenty dla innych użytkowników, redaktorów i automatycznych aplikacji.

    6. Kiedy skończysz tłumaczenie, wyślij plik .po. Możesz zapisać ile procent jest skończone lub jakieś inne przydatne informacje przy wysyłaniu.

      -cvs ci -m 'Komunikat o wysyłaniu' po/pl.po
-

      Nie wysyłaj pliku Makefile, zanim tłumaczenie nie będzie skończone. Aby to zrobić, wykonaj to polecenie:

      -cvs ci -m 'Translation to pl finished' Makefile
-
      [Uwaga!]Nie zmieniaj plików POT ręcznie

      Autorzy i redaktorzy mogą tworzyć pliki POT z plików źródłowych XML, które nadpisują ręcznie wprowadzone zmiany w plikach POT. Jeśli znalazłeś problem w oryginalnych komunikatach w pliku POT, odwiedź Bugzillę pod https://bugzilla.redhat.com, aby zgłosić błąd w dokumencie.

    Poprzedni   Następny
    3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania Spis treści Indeks
    + +
    + + + + + +
    [Uwaga!]Nie zmieniaj plików POT ręcznie

    Autorzy i redaktorzy mogą tworzyć pliki POT z plików źródłowych XML, które nadpisują ręcznie wprowadzone zmiany w plikach POT. Jeśli znalazłeś problem w oryginalnych komunikatach w pliku POT, odwiedź Bugzillę na https://bugzilla.redhat.com, aby zgłosić błąd w dokumencie.

    +

    Aby pracować z edytorami .po, takimi jak KBabel lub gtranslator, wykonaj te kroki.

    +
    + + + + + +
    [Notatka]Przykładowy język to pl +

    Następujące przykłady używają kodu języka pl. Zastąp go kodem swojego języka w tych poleceniach.

    +
      +
    1. +

      Zmień folder

      +

      W terminalu przejdź do folderu dokumentu, który chcesz przetłumaczyć:

      +
      cd ~/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/
      +
      2. +
    2. +

      Dodaj język do listy

      +

      Aby dodać swój język, musisz znaleźć i zmienić odpowiednią listę języków. Niektóre dokumenty używają pliku po/LINGUAS, jak zostało ustandaryzowane przez projekt GNOME. Niektóre dokumenty nie zostały jeszcze zaktualizowane do tego standardu. Jeśli zobaczysz, że moduł, który tłumaczysz nie został zaktualizowany, powiadom o tym Projekt dokumentacji Fedory lub zgłoś błąd używając Bugzilli.

      +

      Dodaj kod języka tłumaczenia do listy w pliku po/LINGUAS. Na przykład

      +
      vi po/LINGUAS
      +

      Naciśnij "a", aby zmodyfikować i dodać kod języka. Po dodaniu zapisz go i zakończ edytor.

      +

      Lista musi być w porządku alfabetycznym. +

      +
      3. +
    3. +

      Utwórz plik PO

      +

      Utwórz nowy plik .po dla swojego języka:

      +
      make po/pl.po
      +
      4. +
    4. +

      Przetłumacz tekst

      +

      Aby przetłumaczyć plik, użyj tej samej aplikacji, którą używasz do tłumaczenia oprogramowania:

      +
      kbabel po/pl.po
      +
      5. +
    5. +

      Sprawdź integralność

      +

      Zanim wyślesz zmiany, sprawdź integralność pliku XML za pomocą następującego polecenia.

      +
      make html-pl
      +

      Można przejrzeć wynikowe pliki HTML za pomocą przeglądarki WWW. Jeśli nie utworzono HTML-a, można znaleźć komunikaty błędów na wyjściu. Napraw je przed wysłaniem.

      +
      + + + + + +
      [WAŻNE]Zawsze przetestuj swoje tłumaczenia

      Nie przechodź do następnego kroku, ani nie wysyłaj zmian, dopóki nie przetestujesz swojego tłumaczenia. Błędne zmiany mogą uszkodzić dokumenty dla innych użytkowników, redaktorów i automatycznych aplikacji.

      +
      6. +
    6. +

      Wyślij zmiany

      +

      Zanim wyślesz plik .po, zawsze upewnij się, że pliki HTML są tworzone prawidłowo. Możesz zapisać ile procent jest skończone lub jakieś inne przydatne informacje przy wysyłaniu.

      +
      cvs ci -m "Translating... 400/10/126" po/pl.po
      +
      7. +
    +
    +
    +

    4.4. Co przetłumaczyć

    +

    Najważniejsze moduły/foldery dokumentacji dla każdego wydania to:

    +
      +

    • docs-common/common/entities

      • +

    • release-notes/devel

      • +

    • homepage/devel

      • +

    • install-guide/devel

      • +

    • about-fedora/devel

      • +

    • readme/devel

      • +

    • readme-burning-isos/devel

      • +

    • readme-live-image/devel

      • +
    +

    Aby zobaczyć wszystkie dokumenty dostępne w repozytorium, uruchom:

    +
    export CVSROOT=:ext:nazwa_użytkownika@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
+cvs co -c
    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +Poprzedni   Następny +
    3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania Spis treści Indeks
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: sn_translating_software.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pl/sn_translating_software.php,v retrieving revision 1.8 retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.8 -r1.9 --- sn_translating_software.php 5 Sep 2007 15:58:12 -0000 1.8 +++ sn_translating_software.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.9 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania + + + + + + + + -
    3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
    Poprzedni   Następny

    3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania

    Przetłumaczalna część pakietu oprogramowania jest dostępna w jednym lub więcej plików po. Projekt Fedora przechowuje te pliki w repozytorium CVS w folderze translate/. Kiedy twoje konto zostanie zatwierdzone, pobierz ten folder przez wpisanie następujących instrukc! ji w wierszu poleceń:

    -export CVS_RSH=ssh
-export CVSROOT=:ext:nazwa_użytkownika@i18n.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS 
-cvs -z9 co translate/
-

    Te polecenia pobiorą wszystkie moduły i pliki .po na komputer, zachowując hierarchię repozytorium. Każdy folder zawiera plik .pot, taki jak anaconda.pot i pliki .po dla każdego języka, takie jak pl.po, de.po i tak dalej.

    Można sprawdzić stan tłumaczenia pod http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status. Wybierz swój język z menu lub sprawdź stan całkowity. Wybierz pakiet, aby wyświetlić opiekuna i nazwisko ostatniego tłumacza tego modułu. Jeśli chcesz przetłumaczyć moduł, napisz na listę odpowiednią dla swojego języka i powiadom ich o tym. Później wybierz take na stronie stanu. Moduł jest teraz przypisany tobie. Przy prośbie o hasło podaj te, które otrzymałeś przez e-maila, kiedy zakładałeś konto.

    [Notatka]Prośba o stronę stanu dla języka

    Jeśli twój język nie znajduje się na liście dostępnych języków, wybierz Other i naciśnij Show Status. Na następnej stronie wybierz język i naciśnij Continue, aby wyświetlić interesujący cię j! ęzyk. Wyślij e-mail na , aby wyrazić swoje zainteresowanie tłumaczeniem Fedory na wybrany język.

    Teraz możesz zacząć tłumaczenie.

    3.1. Tłumaczenie

    1. Zmień folder na położenie pakietu, który przejąłeś.

      -cd ~/translate/nazwa_pakietu
-

    2. Zaktualizuj pliki następującym poleceniem:

      -cvs up
-

    3. Zanim zaczniesz tłumaczenie, upewnij się, że plik .po odpowiada najnowszemu plikowi .pot. Uruchom następujące polecenie, aby zsynchronizować plik .po:

      -msgmerge pl.po nazwa_pakietu.pot > tmp.po
-

    4. Sprawdź integralność nowego pliku:

      -msgfmt -cvo /dev/null tmp.po
-

    5. Jeśli nie wystąpią żadne błędy, uruchom następujące polecenie, aby zastąpić lang.po plikiem tmp.po:

      -mv tmp.po pl.po
-

    6. Przetłumacz plik .po dla swojego języka w edytorze .po, takim jak KBabel lub gtranslator. Na przykład, aby otworzyć polski plik .po w programie KBabel, wpisz:

      -kbabel pl.po
-

    7. Kiedy skończysz pracę, wyślij swoje zmiany do repozytorium:

      -cvs commit -m 'komentarz' pl.po
-

    8. Naciśnij odnośnik Release na stronie stanu, aby zwolnić moduł, na którym teraz będą mogli pracować inni.

    3.2. Korekta

    Jeśli chcesz sprawdzić, jak wygląda twoje tłumaczenie jako część oprogramowania, wykonaj te kroki:

    1. Przejdź do folderu pakietu, który chcesz sprawdzić:

      -cd ~/translate/nazwa_pakietu
-

    2. Przekonwertuj plik .po do pliku .mo za pomocą msgfmt:

      -msgfmt pl.po
-

    3. Zastąp istniejący plik .mo w /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/. Najpierw utwórz kopię zapasową istniejącego pliku:

      -cp /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/nazwa_pakietu.mo nazwa_pakietu.mo-kopia_zapasowa
-mv nazwa_pakietu.mo /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/
-

    4. Sprawdź przetłumaczony pakiet:

      -LANG=pl rpm -qi nazwa_pakietu
-

    Aplikacja uruchomi się z przetłumaczonym interfejsem.

    Poprzedni   Następny
    2. Konta i subskrypcja Spis treści 4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
    +Poprzedni   Następny +
    +
    +
    +
    +

    3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania

    +

    Część pakietu oprogramowanie dostępna do tłumaczenia jest dostępna w jednym lub więcej plików po. Te pliki mogą być zarządzane w dowolnym systemie kontroli wersji (VCS) w zależności od projektu, takim jak CVS, Subversion, Mercurial i git. Mogą być hostowane na serwerze fedoraproject.org lub innych systemach.

    +

    Ten rozdział wyjaśnia, jak tłumaczyć moduły hostowane na fedoraproject.org. Tłumacze pracują na dwóch interfejsach, jednym służącym do pobierania modułów lub drugim do wysyłania ich. Zanim zaczniesz, musisz najpierw przygotować foldery, w których będziesz przechowywał pliki po.

    +
    +

    3.1. Struktura plików

    +

    Aby dowiedzieć się, które moduły można tłumaczyć, zobacz listę modułów na https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/.

    +

    Zanim pobierzesz jakiekolwiek pliki, przygotuj strukturę folderów do ich przechowywania. Opisana poniżej jest przykładem, a twoja może być inna. Na przykład, jeśli chcesz pobrać do tłumaczenia moduł comps utwórz następujące foldery:

    +
    mkdir -p ~/mójprojekt/comps/
    +

    Aby pracować później z innym modułem, utwórz folder z nawą modułu w folderze nadrzędnym, takim jak ~/mójprojekt/system-config-printer/.

    +
    +
    +

    3.2. Pobieranie i tłumaczenie modułów

    +

    Kiedy już przygotowałeś strukturę folderów, można pobrać plik do przetłumaczenia. Musisz komunikować się z innymi tłumaczami w zespole tłumaczenia, aby uniknąć konfliktów. Jeśli nie jesteś czegoś pewny, skontaktuj się z koordynatorem języka.

    +
      +

    1. Odwiedź stronę swojego języka, taką jak http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/pl/ i wybierz wydanie docelowe. Interfejs przekieruje cię na stronę tego wydania, taką jak http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/pl/fedora-9.

      2. +

    2. Przewiń stronę i znajdź tabelę wszystkich dostępnych modułów dla tego wydania. Użyj zielonej ikony pobierania przy każdym module, aby pobrać plik po do folderu utworzonego w poprzedniej sekcji.

      3. +
    3. +

      Ponieważ nazwa wysyłanego pliku musi być w formie język.po, zmień nazwę pobranego pliku. Następujący przykład używa lokalizacji polskiej dla pliku po:

      +
      ls ~/myproject/comps/
+comps.HEAD.ja.po
+mv ~/myproject/comps/comps.HEAD.ja.po ja.po 
+ls ~/myproject/comps/
+ja.po
      +
      4. +

    4. Teraz plik jest gotowy do tłumaczenia. Przetłumacz plik .po dla swojego języka w edytorze .po, takim jak KBabel lub gtranslator.

      5. +
    5. +

      Sprawdź integralność pliku, zanim go wyślesz.

      +
      msgfmt -cvo /dev/null pl.po
      +
      6. +
    +
    + + + + + +
    [WAŻNE]WAŻNE

    Jeśli pojawi się komunikat błędu, popraw to przed wysłaniem.

    +
    +
    +

    3.3. Wysyłanie modułów

    +

    Kiedy skończysz tłumaczenie, wyślij plik używając oddzielnego interfejsu o nazwie Transifex. Szczegółowe informacje o tym narzędziu WWW można znaleźć na https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit.

    +
      +

    1. Odwiedź https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit i naciśnij odnośnik Jump to Modules!, aby przejść do strony Modules and repositories. Ta strona wyświetla wszystkie moduły, do których można wysyłać swoje zmiany. Znajdź moduł do którego chcesz wysłać z listy i wybierz go, aby przejść na stronę Submit dla tego modułu.

      2. +
    2. +

      Zaloguj się

      +

      Na końcu strony Submit wybierz Authenticate as a translator, aby przejść na stronę Login. Uwierzytelnij się za pomocą nazwy i hasła Systemu kont Fedory. Po pomyślnym logowaniu pojawi się strona Submit.

      +
      3. +
    3. +

      Wyślij

      +

      W sekcji Local file naciśnij na przycisk przeglądania, aby znaleźć przetłumaczony plik.

      +

      W sekcji Destination file naciśnij na menu Overwrite an existing file:, aby wybrać swój język.

      +

      W sekcji Commit message wpisz komentarz opisujący wysłaną pracę.

      +

      Wybierz przycisk Preview, aby przejść do strony Preview submission. Sprawdź sekcję Differences, aby upewnić się, że zmiany są prawidłowe i wybierz przycisk Submit.

      +

      Pojawi się strona Submit i wyświetli komunikat Your submission was committed successfully. Jeśli otrzymasz błąd lub inny komunikat, wyślij go na listę mailingową Projektu lokalizacji Fedory, aby można było go naprawić.

      +
      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    3.4. Dodawanie nowego pliku .po

    +

    Jeśli nie ma pliku .po dla twojego języka, dodaj go.

    +
      +
    1. +

      Pobierz plik pot i skopiuj go jako plik po twojego języka.

      +
      cp ~/myproject/comps/comps.HEAD.pot ja.po
+kbabel ja.po
+msgfmt -cvo /dev/null ja.po
      +
      2. +

    2. Kiedy skończysz tłumaczenie, postępuj zgodnie z instrukcją sprawdzania i wysyłania opisaną w poprzedniej sekcji.

      3. +
    3. +

      W sekcji Destination file podaj nazwę nowego pliku w polu Type the name for a new one:, zastępując nazwę pliku swoim językiem:

      +
      po/ja.po
      +
      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    3.5. Korekta

    +

    Aby sprawdzić, jak wygląda twoje tłumaczenie jako część oprogramowania, wykonaj te kroki:

    +
      +
    1. +

      Zmień folder na pakiet, który chcesz sprawdzić. Na przykład

      +
      cd ~/mójprojekt/system-config-printer/
      +
      2. +
    2. +

      Przekonwertuj plik .po do pliku .mo za pomocą msgfmt z opcją -o:

      +
      msgfmt -o system-config-printer.mo pl.po
      +
      3. +
    3. +

      Zastąp istniejący plik .mo w /usr/share/locale/język/LC_MESSAGES/ jako użytkownik root.

      +

      Najpierw utwórz kopię zapasową istniejącego pliku:

      +
      su -
      +
      cp /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/system-config-printer.mo system-config-printer.mo-kopiazapasowa
      +

      Teraz przenieś przekonwertowany plik do sprawdzenia.

      +
      mv system-config-printer.mo /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/
      +

      Wyjdź z użytkownika root.

      +
      exit
      +
      4. +
    4. +

      Sprawdź przetłumaczony pakiet:

      +
      LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8system-config-printer
      +
      5. +
    +

    Aplikacja uruchomi się z przetłumaczonym interfejsem.

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +Poprzedni   Następny +
    2. Konta i subskrypcja Spis treści 4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fri May 23 17:20:04 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:04 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl generated-index.php, 1.1, 1.2 index.php, 1.5, 1.6 legalnotice-opl.php, 1.2, 1.3 rv-revhistory.php, 1.5, 1.6 sn_accounts.php, 1.5, 1.6 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.5, 1.6 sn_translating_software.php, 1.5, 1.6 Message-ID: <200805231720.m4NHK4wb018006@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv17777/nl Modified Files: generated-index.php index.php legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php sn_translating_software.php Log Message: Update to TQSG 0.5 and make sure hu, pl, nl, ja, and zh_CN are available as well Index: generated-index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl/generated-index.php,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- generated-index.php 27 Dec 2007 02:08:17 -0000 1.1 +++ generated-index.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.2 @@ -1,3 +1,14 @@ + + + +Register + + + + + + + -
    Register
    Terug   

    Register

    Terug   
    4. Documentatie vertalen Begin 
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    Register
    +Terug   
    +
    +
    +
    +

    Register

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +Terug   
    4. Documentatie vertalen Begin 
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.5 retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.5 -r1.6 --- index.php 27 Dec 2007 02:07:38 -0000 1.5 +++ index.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.6 @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@ + + + +Snelgids Vertalen + + + + + + -
    Snelgids Vertalen
       Volgende

    Snelgids Vertalen

    Manuel Ospina

    Redactie door

    Paul W. Frields

    Redactie door

    Noriko Mizumoto

    Hugo Cisneiros

    Francesco Tombolini

    Andrew Martynov

    José Pires

    Bart Courveur

    Dimitris Glezos

    Damien Durand

    Guillermo Gomez

    Diego Búrigo Zacarão

    Version 0.3.9.1 (2007-12-23)

    Copyright © 2005, 2006, 2007 Red Hat, Inc. en anderen

    1. Introductie
    2. Accounts en Aanmeldingen
    2.1. Abonneren op de Mailing lijst
    2.2. Maak ee! n SSH sleutel
    2.3. Maak een GPG sleutel aan
    2.4. Een Account Aanvragen
    2.5. De CLA Ondertekenen
    2.6. Neem deel aan de cvsl10n Groep
    2.7. Test Je Toegang
    2.8. Maak een Wiki Account aan
    2.9. Stel je voor
    2.10. Maak een Bugzilla account aan
    2.11. Check lijst
    3. Software vertalen
    3.1. Bestand Struktuur
    3.2. Binnenhalen en Vertalen van Modules
    3.3. Committen van Modules
    3.4. Een Nieuw .po bestand Toevoegen
    3.5. Testen van je vertaling
    4. Documentatie vertalen
    4.1. Om te beginnen
    ! 4.2. Het maken van gemeenschappelijke bestanden.
    4.3. Vertalingsprogramma's gebruiken
    4.4. Wat te Vertalen
    Register

    1. Introductie

    Deze gids is een snelle, simpele, stap-voor-stap handleiding tot het vertalen van Fedora Project software en documentatie. Indien je meer wilt weten over het proces van vertalen, bekijk dan de Vertalings-gids of de handleiding van het specifieke vertalingshulpmiddel.

    !
       Volgende
       2. Accounts en Aanmeldingen
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    Snelgids Vertalen
       Volgende +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +

    Snelgids Vertalen

    +
    +

    +Manuel Ospina +

    +
    +

    Redactie door

    +

    +Paul W. Frields +

    +
    +
    +

    Redactie door

    +

    +Noriko Mizumoto +

    +
    +
    +

    Redactie door

    +

    +Dimitris Glezos +

    +
    +
    +

    +Hugo Cisneiros +

    +

    +Francesco Tombolini +

    +

    +Andrew Martynov +

    +

    +José Pires +

    +

    +Bart Courveur +

    +

    +Damien Durand +

    +

    +Guillermo Gomez +

    +

    +Diego Búrigo Zacarão +

    +

    Version 0.5 (2008-04-18)

    +

    Copyright © 2005, 2006, 2007 Red Hat, Inc. en anderen

    + + +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    1. Introductie
    +
    2. Accounts en Aanmeldingen
    +
    +
    2.1. Abonneren op de Mailing lijst
    +
    2.2. Maak een SSH sleutel
    +
    2.3. Maak een GPG sleutel aan
    +
    2.4. Een Account Aanvragen
    +
    2.5. De CLA Ondertekenen
    +
    2.6. Neem deel aan de cvsl10n Groep
    +
    2.7. Test Je Toegang
    +
    2.8. Maak een Wiki Account aan
    +
    2.9. Stel je voor
    +
    2.10. Maak een Bugzilla account aan
    +
    2.11. Check lijst
    +
    +
    3. Software vertalen
    +
    +
    3.1. Bestand Struktuur
    +
    3.2. Binnenhalen en Vertalen van Modules
    +
    3.3. Committen van Modules
    +
    3.4. Een Nieuw .po bestand Toevoegen
    +
    3.5. Testen van je vertaling
    +
    +
    4. Documentatie vertalen
    +
    +
    4.1. Om te beginnen
    +
    4.2. Het maken van gemeenschappelijke bestanden.
    +
    4.3. Vertalingsprogramma's gebruiken
    +
    4.4. Wat te Vertalen
    +
    +
    Register
    +
    +
    +

    1. Introductie

    +

    Deze gids is een snelle, simpele, stap-voor-stap handleiding tot het vertalen van Fedora Project software en documentatie. Indien je meer wilt weten over het proces van vertalen, bekijk dan de Vertalings-gids of de handleiding van het specifieke vertalingshulpmiddel.

    +

    Meer informatie kun je vinden in de FAQ, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/FAQ.

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
       Volgende +
       2. Accounts en Aanmeldingen
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: legalnotice-opl.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl/legalnotice-opl.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- legalnotice-opl.php 27 Dec 2007 02:07:38 -0000 1.2 +++ legalnotice-opl.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.3 @@ -1,3 +1,10 @@ + + + +Bericht + + + -

    +

    +

    Permission is granted to copy, distribute, and/or modify this document under the terms of the Open Publication Licence, Version 1.0, or any later version. The terms of the OPL are set out below. -

    1. REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED - VERSIONS

      +

      +
      +
        +
      1. +

        +REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED + VERSIONS

        +

        Open Publication works may be reproduced and distributed in whole or in part, in any medium physical or electronic, provided that the terms of this license are adhered to, and that this license or an incorporation of it by reference (with any options elected by the author(s) and/or publisher) is displayed in the reproduction. -

        +

        +

        Proper form for an incorporation by reference is as follows: -

        +

        +

        Copyright (c) <year> by <author's name or designee>. This material may be distributed only subject to the terms and conditions set forth in the Open Publication License, vX.Y or later (the latest version is presently available at http://www.opencontent.org/openpub/). -

        +

        +

        The reference must be immediately followed with any options elected by the author(s) and/or publisher of the document (see section VI). Commercial redistribution of Open @@ -37,100 +54,149 @@ surfaces of the book the original publisher's name shall be as large as the title of the work and cited as possessive with respect to the title. -

      2. COPYRIGHT

        +

        +
        3. +
      3. +

        +COPYRIGHT

        +

        The copyright to each Open Publication is owned by its author(s) or designee. -

      4. SCOPE OF LICENSE

        +

        +
        5. +
      5. +

        +SCOPE OF LICENSE

        +

        The following license terms apply to all Open Publication works, unless otherwise explicitly stated in the document. -

        +

        +

        Mere aggregation of Open Publication works or a portion of an Open Publication work with other works or programs on the same media shall not cause this license to apply to those other works. The aggregate work shall contain a notice specifying the inclusion of the Open Publication material and appropriate copyright notice. -

        +

        +

        SEVERABILITY. If any part of this license is found to be unenforceable in any jurisdiction, the remaining portions of the license remain in force. -

        +

        +

        NO WARRANTY. Open Publication works are licensed and provided "as is" without warranty of any kind, express or implied, including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose or a warranty of non-infringement. -

      6. REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS

        +

        +
        7. +
      7. +

        +REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS

        +

        All modified versions of documents covered by this license, including translations, anthologies, compilations and partial documents, must meet the following requirements: -

        1. +

          +
            +

          1. The modified version must be labeled as such. -

          2. +

            3. +

          3. The person making the modifications must be identified and the modifications dated. -

          4. +

            5. +

          5. Acknowledgement of the original author and publisher if applicable must be retained according to normal academic citation practices. -

          6. +

            7. +

          7. The location of the original unmodified document must be identified. -

          8. +

            9. +

          9. The original author's (or authors') name(s) may not be used to assert or imply endorsement of the resulting document without the original author's (or authors') permission. -

        2. GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

          +

          3. +
        +
        8. +
      8. +

        +GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

        +

        In addition to the requirements of this license, it is requested from and strongly recommended of redistributors that: -

        1. +

          +
            +

          1. If you are distributing Open Publication works on hardcopy or CD-ROM, you provide email notification to the authors of your intent to redistribute at least thirty days before your manuscript or media freeze, to give the authors time to provide updated documents. This notification should describe modifications, if any, made to the document. -

          2. +

            3. +

          3. All substantive modifications (including deletions) be either clearly marked up in the document or else described in an attachment to the document. -

          4. +

            5. +

          5. Finally, while it is not mandatory under this license, it is considered good form to offer a free copy of any hardcopy and CD-ROM expression of an Open Publication-licensed work to its author(s). -

        2. LICENSE OPTIONS

          +

          3. +
        +
        9. +
      9. +

        +LICENSE OPTIONS

        +

        The author(s) and/or publisher of an Open Publication-licensed document may elect certain options by appending language to the reference to or copy of the license. These options are considered part of the license instance and must be included with the license (or its incorporation by reference) in derived works. -

        +

        +

        A. To prohibit distribution of substantively modified versions without the explicit permission of the author(s). "Substantive modification" is defined as a change to the semantic content of the document, and excludes mere changes in format or typographical corrections. -

        +

        +

        To accomplish this, add the phrase 'Distribution of substantively modified versions of this document is prohibited without the explicit permission of the copyright holder.' to the license reference or copy. -

        +

        +

        B. To prohibit any publication of this work or derivative works in whole or in part in standard (paper) book form for commercial purposes is prohibited unless prior permission is obtained from the copyright holder. -

        +

        +

        To accomplish this, add the phrase 'Distribution of the work or derivative of the work in any standard (paper) book form is prohibited unless prior permission is obtained from the copyright holder.' to the license reference or copy. -

    +

    +
    • + +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: rv-revhistory.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl/rv-revhistory.php,v retrieving revision 1.5 retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.5 -r1.6 --- rv-revhistory.php 27 Dec 2007 02:07:38 -0000 1.5 +++ rv-revhistory.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.6 @@ -1,3 +1,10 @@ + + + +Wijzigingen + + + -
    +
    Wijzigingen
    Herziening 0.3.9.12007-12-23PWF
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
    Wijzigingen
    Herziening 0.52008-04-18NM
    +

    + Accounts en Abonnementen hoofdstuk aangepast conform de + huidige FAS2. Een paarkleine veranderingen gemaakt in andere + hoofdstukken voor gerapporteerde fouten. +

    +
    Herziening 0.4.12008-03-19NM
    +

    + Vervang de links in hoofdstuk 3.2. +

    +
    Herziening 0.42008-03-03DG
    +

    + Verwijzingen naar i18n.redhat.com (elvis) verwijderd +

    +
    Herziening 0.3.9.22008-02-18PWF
    +

    + Herstel GPG sleutel URL +

    +
    Herziening 0.3.9.12007-12-23PWF

    Herstel verwijzigingen naar het Transifex systeem

    -
    Herziening 0.3.92007-11-14PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.3.92007-11-14PWF

    Bewerk voor stijl, grammatica en duidelijkheid

    -
    Herziening 0.3.8.22007-09-28NM
    +
    Herziening 0.3.8.22007-09-28NM

    Veranderd en vernieuwd alle hoofdstukken om de laatste informatie te tonen, inclusief het gebruik van transifex, verplaatste repository enzovoort

    -
    Herziening 0.3.8.12007-09-04DZ
    +
    Herziening 0.3.8.12007-09-04DZ

    Toevoegen van informatie over een bestaande SSH sleutel

    -
    Herziening 0.3.82007-08-23NM
    +
    Herziening 0.3.82007-08-23NM

    Het hoofd bestand gesplitst in meerdere bestanden gebaseerd op hoofdstukken

    -
    Herziening 0.3.7.52007-07-29PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.3.7.52007-07-29PWF

    Informatie betreffende LINGUAS toegevoegd en onnodige terechtwijzingen verwijderd

    -
    Herziening 0.3.7.42007-07-28PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.3.7.42007-07-28PWF

    Toevoegen van informatie over tak modules en veranderingen in testen

    -
    Herziening 0.3.7.32007-07-06PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.3.7.32007-07-06PWF

    Maak een terechtwijziging tegen handmatige POT veranderingen

    -
    Herziening 0.3.7.22007-05-29MO
    +
    Herziening 0.3.7.22007-05-29MO

    Herstel CVS groep lidmaatschap details; verkort de copyright houders lijst

    -
    Herziening 0.3.7.12007-04-03PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.3.7.12007-04-03PWF

    Genereren van nieuwe POT en PO met behoud van algemene entiteiten

    -
    Herziening 0.3.72006-10-14PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.3.72006-10-14PWF

    Verbeteren foutieve URL (#209900)

    -
    Herziening 0.3.62006-09-20MO
    +
    Herziening 0.3.62006-09-20MO

    Bugs verbeteren (#198726, #204266, #205167)

    -
    Herziening 0.3.52006-08-14PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.3.52006-08-14PWF

    Revisie, controle procedure en aanpassen volgorde stappen

    -
    Herziening 0.3.42006-08-10MO
    +
    Herziening 0.3.42006-08-10MO

    Bijkomende informatie over het aansluiten bij het Docs Project en GPG.

    -
    Herziening 0.3.32006-08-06PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.3.32006-08-06PWF

    Verwijderen stap: vertalen van rpm info aangezien deze nu in het POT bestand zit

    -
    Herziening 0.3.22006-07-03PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.3.22006-07-03PWF

    Aanpassing vertalingsprocedure: toevoegen vertalen van andere gemeenschappelijke bestanden

    -
    Herziening 0.3.12006-05-28PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.3.12006-05-28PWF

    Toevoegen informatie over gemeenschappelijke entiteiten en waarschuwing voor uitgeschakelde locales

    -
    Herziening 0.32006-05-27PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.32006-05-27PWF

    Aanpassen procedure-gids en toevoegen van document-specifieke entiteiten

    -
    Herziening 0.2.2.22006-02-13PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.2.2.22006-02-13PWF

    Aanpassen naar DocBook XML 4.4 en gebruik maken van XInclude

    -
    Herziening 0.2.2.12006-02-02PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.2.2.12006-02-02PWF

    Aanpassen spelling (#179717)

    -
    Herziening 0.2.22006-02-01PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.2.22006-02-01PWF

    Toevoegen bug report entiteit

    -
    Herziening 0.2.12006-01-30PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.2.12006-01-30PWF

    Aanpassen fout in naam host

    -
    Herziening 0.22006-01-25PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.22006-01-25PWF

    Extra aanpassing van de stijl, verdeling van procedures in beter leesbare delen

    -
    Herziening 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006PWF
    +
    Herziening 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006PWF

    Eerste aanpassingsronde.

    -
    Herziening 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006MO
    +
    Herziening 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006MO

    Eerste ontwerp

    -
    +
    displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: sn_accounts.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl/sn_accounts.php,v retrieving revision 1.5 retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.5 -r1.6 --- sn_accounts.php 27 Dec 2007 02:07:38 -0000 1.5 +++ sn_accounts.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.6 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +2. Accounts en Aanmeldingen + + + + + + + + -
    2. Accounts en Aanmeldingen
    Terug   Volgende

    2. Accounts en Aanmeldingen

    Om een Fedora Vertaler te worden, moet je intekenen voor accounts en aanmeldingen zoals beschreven in dit hoofdstuk. Als je vragen hebt, stuur ze naar de fedora-trans-list mailing lijst, of vraag hulp via Internet Relay Chat, of IRC, at irc.freenode.org op kanaal #fedora-l10n.

    2.1. Abonneren op de Mailing lijst

    1. Bezoek https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list/ en abonneer je op de belankrijkste translation mailing lijst.

    2. Wacht op de bevestigings email die een link bevat om je abonnement te bevestigen. Klik op de link om je abonnement te bevestigen.

    3. Check http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/ om te kijken of er een speciale mailing lijst is voor jouw taal. Als dat zo is, abonneer je je ook op deze lijst.

    2.2. Maak een SSH sleutel

    Als je al! een bestaande SSH sleutel hebt, dan kan je die gebruiken voor! je Fedo ra werk. In dat geval, ga naar Stap 2 in de volgende procedure. Als je nog geen SSH sleutel hebt, begin met de eerste stap hieronder:

    1. Voer het volgende commando uit:

      ssh-keygen -t dsa

      Accepteer de standaard locatie (~/.ssh/id_dsa) en geef een wachtwoord op.

      [Let op]Onthoud je wachtwoord!

      Je moet je wachtwoord hebben voor de toegang tot de CVS repository. Het kan niet opgezocht worden als je het vergeten bent.

    2. Verander de permissies van je sleutel en van de .ssh map:

      chmod 700 ~/.ssh
+
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
      2. Accounts en Aanmeldingen
      
+Terug   Volgende
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      2. Accounts en Aanmeldingen
      
+
      Om een Fedora Vertaler te worden, moet je intekenen voor accounts en aanmeldingen zoals beschreven in dit hoofdstuk. Als je vragen hebt, stuur ze naar de fedora-trans-list mailing lijst, of vraag hulp via Internet Relay Chat, of IRC, at irc.freenode.org op kanaal #fedora-l10n.
      
+
      
+
      2.1. Abonneren op de Mailing lijst
      
+
        
+
      1. Bezoek https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list/ en abonneer je op de belankrijkste translation mailing lijst.
        2. 
+
      2. Wacht op de bevestigings email die een link bevat om je abonnement te bevestigen. Klik op de link om je abonnement te bevestigen.
        3. 
+
      3. Check http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/ om te kijken of er een speciale mailing lijst is voor jouw taal. Als dat zo is, abonneer je je ook op deze lijst.
        4. 
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      2.2. Maak een  SSH sleutel
      
+
      Als je al een bestaande SSH sleutel hebt, dan kan je die gebruiken voor je Fedora werk. In dat geval, ga naar Stap 2 in de volgende procedure. Als je nog geen SSH sleutel hebt, begin met de eerste stap hieronder:
      
+
        
+
      1. 
+
        Voer het volgende commando uit:
        
+
        ssh-keygen -t dsa
        
+
        Accepteer de standaard locatie (~/.ssh/id_dsa) en geef een wachtwoord op.
        
+
        
+
+
+
+
+
+
        [Let op]Onthoud je wachtwoord!
        Je moet je wachtwoord hebben voor de toegang tot de CVS repository. Het kan niet opgezocht worden als je het vergeten bent.
        
+
        2. 
+
      2. 
+
        Verander de permissies van je sleutel en van de .ssh map:
        
+
        chmod 700 ~/.ssh
 chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_dsa
-chmod 644·~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub
      3. Knip en plak de SSH sleutel op de plaats waar je deze moet invullen om je account-aanvraag te voltooien.
      2.3. Maak een GPG sleutel aan
      1. Om een sleutel aan te maken type je op een commando lijn:
        gpg --gen-key
        Een reeks prompts leidt je door het proces. De standaard waarden zullen in bijna alle gevallen voldoen. Denk eraan om een goed wachtwoord te kiezen.
        [Tip]Kies een Goed Wachtwoord
        !
 
        Een goed wachtwoord:
        • bestaat uit hoofd en kleine letters, cijfers, leestekens en andere karakters
        • bevat geen woorden of namen, met of zonder plaatsvervanging
        • is niet gelijk aan enig ander wachtwoord gebruikt voor andere systemen
      2. In de resulterende tekst, kun je je sleutel ID vinden in de boodschap die lijkt op "pub 1024D/1B2AFA1C". Je sleutel ID is het "woord" van 8 karakters achter de slash (/). In het vorige voorbeeld is de GPG sleutel ID 1B2AFA1C. Noteer je sleutel ID.
      3. Exporteer je publieke sleutel naar een publieke server, zodat anderen het kunnen vinden, met het volgende kommando, waarbij je jouw sleutel ID invult:
        gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys GPGKEYID
      2.4. Een Account Aanvragen
      1. Je moet ook een Fedora account aanmaken. Ga naar https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ en klik op de link Apply for a new account.
      2. Vul het formulier in en kies een wachtwoord voor je Fedora account. Voeg informatie toe voor je GPG sleutel ID en SSH sleutel in het formulier. Vermeld in het Comments veld aan welke talen je wilt gaan werken.
      2.5. De CLA Ondertekenen
      Je moet de Contibutors License Agreement, of CLA, volledig maken.
      1. Bezoek https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/send-cla.cgi. Log hier in met je gebruikersnaam en wachtwoord verkregen in de vorige stap.
      2. Wacht op de ontvangst van een email met een bijlage. De bijlage is een overeenkomst die je kunt tekenen en terug sturen. Bewaar de bijlage op je Desktop.
      3. Dubbel klik op het bestand op je Desktop om het te openen met een tekstverwerker. Voeg de tekst "I agree" en je volledige naam toe.
      4. Zet je digitale handtekening in het bestand met je GPG sleutel als volgt, geef je wachtwoord als erom gevraagd wordt:
        gpg -a --sign.fedora-icla-{gebruikersnaam}.txt
        Er is nu een nieuw bestand op je Desktop dat eindigt met .asc. Dit bestand is de getekende versie van de CLA.
      5. Open je email programma en beantwoord de CLA email. Voeg het gete!
 kende bestand wat eindigt met .asc als b
ijlage toe en verstuur de email.
      2.6. Neem deel aan de cvsl10n Groep
      1. Bezoek https://admin.fedora.redhat.com/accounts/userbox.cgi?_edit=1. Selekteer Add new membership onderaan in de pagina. In het veld Groupname vul je in cvsl10n en selekteer Add.
      2. Een beheerder krijgt bericht van jouw aanmelding, en biedt zich aan om jou te sponseren. Dit kan een uur tot een paar dagen duren.
      [Let op]Let op
      De resterende stappen helpen je om je toegang te testen en geven je rechten op alle Fedora infrastructuur die je in de toekomst nodig kunt hebben. Taal maintainers en mensen die een nieuwe taal opstarten moeten ze opvolgen. Hoewel de stappen optioneel zijn voor vertalers, wordt iedereen aangemoedigd om ze op te volgen.
      [Belangrijk]Belangrijk
      Sommige Fedora modules bevinden zich nog op het i18n.redhat.com systeem, dat niet kan samenwerken met de cvsl10n groep. Om modules op dit systeem te vertalen, bezoek http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup. Deze waarschuwing zal spoedig vervallen.
      2.7. Test Je Toegang
      1. Als het cvs pakket nog niet geinstalleerd is, doe je dit met het volgende commando:
        su -c 'yum install cvs'
      2. Check een paar PO bestanden uit met het volgende commando, vul je gebruikersnaam in en geef je SSH sleutel als erom gevraagd wordt:
        export CVSROOT=:ext:gebruikersnaam@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/l10n
+chmod 644·~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub
        
+
        3. 
+
      3. Deze publieke sleutel (~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub) zal gebruikt worden bij het aanmaken van jouw Fedora account zoals beschreven in Paragraaf 2.4, “Een Account Aanvragen”.
        4. 
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      2.3. Maak een GPG sleutel aan
      
+
        
+
      1. 
+
        Om een sleutel aan te maken type je op een commando lijn:
        
+
        gpg --gen-key
        
+
        Een reeks prompts leidt je door het proces. De standaard waarden zullen in bijna alle gevallen voldoen. Denk eraan om een goed wachtwoord te kiezen.
        
+
        
+
+
+
+
+
+
        [Tip]Kies een Goed Wachtwoord
        
+
        Een goed wachtwoord:
        
+
          
+
        • bestaat uit hoofd en kleine letters, cijfers, leestekens en andere karakters
          • 
+
        • bevat geen woorden of namen, met of zonder plaatsvervanging
          • 
+
        • is niet gelijk aan enig ander wachtwoord gebruikt voor andere systemen
          • 
+
        
+
        
+
        2. 
+
      2. In de resulterende tekst, kun je je sleutel ID vinden in de boodschap die lijkt op "pub 1024D/1B2AFA1C". Je sleutel ID is het "woord" van 8 karakters achter de slash (/). In het vorige voorbeeld is de GPG sleutel ID 1B2AFA1C. Noteer je sleutel ID.
        3. 
+
      3. 
+
        Exporteer je publieke sleutel naar een publieke server, zodat anderen het kunnen vinden, met het volgende kommando, waarbij je jouw sleutel ID invult:
        
+
        gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --send-keys GPG_sleutel_ID
        
+
        4. 
+
      4. Deze GPG sleutel ID zal gebruikt worden bij het aanmaken van jouw Fedora account zoals beschreven in Paragraaf 2.4, “Een Account Aanvragen”.
        5. 
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      2.4. Een Account Aanvragen
      
+
        
+
      1. Om een Fedora account aan te maken maken ga je eerst naar https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ en selecteer New Account.
        2. 
+
      2. Vul de velden Username, Full Name en Email in, en klik op Sign up!. Je wachtwoord zal per email naar je toegestuurd worden.
        3. 
+
      3. Ga terug naar https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ en meld je aan met je wachtwoord. De welkom pagina zal worden getoond, en deze herinnert je eraan dat de CLA nog niet voltooid is en dat de SSH sleutel nog niet ingediend is.
        4. 
+
      4. Om je publieke SSH sleutel en je GPG sleutel ID in te dienen, klik je op My Account of je gaat naar ·https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit.
        5. 
+
      5. In de Edit Account (user_name) pagina, vul je je GPG sleutel ID in in het GPG Key ID: veld. Voor de publieke SSH sleutel, klik je de Browse... knop die naast het Public SSH Key: veld te vinden is en geef je publieke SSH sleutel op.
        6. 
+
      6. De Telephone Number en Postal Address velden moeten ingevuld worden voor het ondertekenen van de CLA. Deze informatie is niet beschikbaar voor anderen, met uitzondering van leden van de admin groep. Refereer naar de Fedora Privacy Policy op http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/PrivacyPolicy.
        7. 
+
      7. Andere velden zullen getoond worden door andere leden door de view pagina van de gebruiker te bezoeken.
        8. 
+
      8. Klik nu op Save! onderaan op de pagina om jouw informatie te bewaren.
        9. 
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      2.5. De CLA Ondertekenen
      
+
      Je moet de Contibutors License Agreement, of CLA, volledig maken.
      
+
        
+
      1. Bezoek https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ en log hier in met je gebruikersnaam en wachtwoord verkregen in de vorige stap.
        2. 
+
      2. Op de Welcome pagina klik je op complete the CLA of je gaat naar ·https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit.
        3. 
+
      3. Als het telefoon nummer en het post adres nog niet opgegeven is, zal de Edit Account (gebruikers_naam) pagina verschijnen. Anders wordt de Fedora Contributor License Agreement pagina getoond. Lees de overeenkomst aandachtig door en klik op I agree als je er mee eens bent.
        4. 
+
      4. De user-view pagina verschijnt en toont het CLA: veld als CLA Done.
        5. 
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      2.6. Neem deel aan de cvsl10n Groep
      
+
        
+
      1. In de user-view pagina klik je op Apply For a new Group die zich in de linkse zijbalk bevindt. Als je deze stap later wil doen kun je jouw user-view pagina bereiken via https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/view/user_name.
        2. 
+
      2. Klik op C van het alfabet, en het toont de lijst van de groepen die met een 'c' beginnen.
        3. 
+
      3. Zoek de groep naam cvsl10n in de lijst en klik op Apply.
        4. 
+
      4. Een beheerder krijgt bericht van jouw aanmelding, en biedt zich aan om jou te sponsoren. Dit kan een uur tot een paar dagen duren. Zodra je gesponsord bent krijg je een email.
        5. 
+
      
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
      [Let op]Let op
      De resterende stappen helpen je om je toegang te testen en geven je rechten op alle Fedora infrastructuur die je in de toekomst nodig kunt hebben. Taal maintainers en mensen die een nieuwe taal opstarten moeten ze opvolgen. Hoewel de stappen optioneel zijn voor vertalers, wordt iedereen aangemoedigd om ze op te volgen.
      
+
      
+
      
+
      2.7. Test Je Toegang
      
+
        
+
      1. 
+
        Als het cvs pakket nog niet geinstalleerd is, doe je dit met het volgende commando:
        
+
        su -c 'yum install cvs'
        
+
        2. 
+
      2. 
+
        Check een paar PO bestanden uit met het volgende commando, vul je gebruikersnaam in en geef je SSH sleutel als erom gevraagd wordt:
        
+
        export CVSROOT=:ext:gebruikersnaam@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/l10n
 cvs co web
-ls web/flpweb/po
      2.8. Maak een Wiki Account aan
      1. Bezoek http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences. Als gebruikersnaam kies je een naam zoals VoornaamAchternaam en selecteer Create Profile.
      2. Een bestaande wiki gebruiker kan je nu schrijf toegang geven op de wiki. Neem kontakt op met iemand van de Edit Group op http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup/. of voeg je naam to aan de EditGroupQueue op http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue/, en iemand zal je!
  binnenkort toevoegen.
      3. Als je een nieuwe taal begint, of als je maintainer van een wil worden,  moet je jouw informatie toevoegen op de L10N/Teams pagina op http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/.
      2.9. Stel je voor
      1. Als je schrijf toegang hebt tot de wiki maak dan een persoonlijke pagina aan, op een URL zoals deze: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirstnameLastname/. Dit is erg handig voor Fedora medewerkers om elkaar te leren kennen en kontakt met elkaar op te kunnen nemen.
      2. Stuur een korte introduktie van jezelf http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/J!
 oin/Self
Introduction/ naar de fedora-trans-list mailing lijst en naar de lijst van je locale team.
      2.10. Maak een Bugzilla account aan
      Bezoek https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi/ om een Bugzilla account aan te maken.
      2.11. Check lijst
      Je moet nu het volgende hebben:
      • Abonnement op de fedora-trans-list mailing lijst en je locale specifieke mailing lijst, als er een is
      • Een SSH sleutel
      • Een GPG sleutel
      • Een Fedora account
      • Lid van de cvsl10n groep
      • Een wiki account
      • Jouw taal en vertaal team verschijnen op http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/
      • Een Bugzilla account
      • Een persoonlijke pagina op de wiki
      • Een zelf-introduktie verzonden naar de mailing lijst
      Leun achterover en geniet van wat je bereikt hebt. Je bent nu een volledig erkend lid van de Fedora gemeenschap, in staat om digitaal documenten en emails te tekenen, bijdrages naar onze CVS te sturen, tekst op de wiki te publiceren, fouten in te sturen, de discussies op onze groepen te volgen en om je bij andere Fedora teams aan te sluiten.
      Terug   Volgende
      Snelgids Vertalen Begin 3. Software vertalen
      
+ls web/flpweb/po
      +
      3. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.8. Maak een Wiki Account aan

    +
      +

    1. Een bestaande wiki gebruiker kan je nu Schrijf toegang geven op de wiki. Neem kontakt op met iemand van de Edit Group op http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup/, of voeg je naam to aan de EditGroupQueue op http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue/, en iemand zal je binnenkort toevoegen.

      2. +

    2. Als je toegevoegd bent, bezoek je http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences en maak je een profiel pagina aan. Als gebruikersnaam kies je een naam zoals VoornaamAchternaam en selecteer Create Profile.

      3. +

    3. Als je een nieuwe taal begint, of als je maintainer van een wil worden, moet je jouw informatie toevoegen op de L10N/Teams pagina op http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/.

      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.9. Stel je voor

    +
      +

    1. Als je schrijf toegang hebt tot de wiki maak dan een persoonlijke pagina aan, op een URL zoals deze: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirstnameLastname/. Dit is erg handig voor Fedora medewerkers om elkaar te leren kennen en kontakt met elkaar op te kunnen nemen.

      2. +

    2. Stuur een korte introduktie van jezelf http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join/SelfIntroduction/ naar de fedora-trans-list mailing lijst en naar de lijst van je locale team.

      3. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.10. Maak een Bugzilla account aan

    +

    Bezoek https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi/ om een Bugzilla account aan te maken.

    +
    +
    +

    2.11. Check lijst

    +

    Je moet nu het volgende hebben:

    +
      +

    • Abonnement op de fedora-trans-list mailing lijst en je locale specifieke mailing lijst, als er een is

      • +

    • Een SSH sleutel

      • +

    • Een GPG sleutel

      • +

    • Een Fedora account

      • +

    • Lid van de cvsl10n groep

      • +

    • Een wiki account

      • +

    • Jouw taal en vertaal team verschijnen op http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/

      • +

    • Een Bugzilla account

      • +

    • Een persoonlijke pagina op de wiki

      • +

    • Een zelf-introduktie verzonden naar de mailing lijst

      • +
    +

    Leun achterover en geniet van wat je bereikt hebt. Je bent nu een volledig erkend lid van de Fedora gemeenschap, in staat om digitaal documenten en emails te tekenen, bijdrages naar onze CVS te sturen, tekst op de wiki te publiceren, fouten in te sturen, de discussies op onze groepen te volgen en om je bij andere Fedora teams aan te sluiten.

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +Terug   Volgende +
    Snelgids Vertalen Begin 3. Software vertalen
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: sn_translating_docs.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl/sn_translating_docs.php,v retrieving revision 1.5 retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.5 -r1.6 --- sn_translating_docs.php 27 Dec 2007 02:07:38 -0000 1.5 +++ sn_translating_docs.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.6 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +4. Documentatie vertalen + + + + + + + + -
    4. Documentatie vertalen
    Terug   Volgende

    4. Documentatie vertalen

    Word lid van de cvsl10n groep om Fedora documentatie te vertalen. Voor meer informatie beteffende een account en abonnementen, refereer naar Paragraaf 2, “Accounts en Aanmeldingen”.

    Voor het vertalen van documentatie, heb je een Fedora 5 of recenter systeem nodig met de! volgende pakketten:

    • gnome-doc-utils

    • xmlto

    • make

    Het gnome-doc-utils pakket levert het xml2po commando en verlangt niet van je om de GNOME desktop omgeving te installeren. De xmlto en make pakketten bevatten gereedschappen die nodig zijn voor het testen van de gemaakte documenten en vertalingen.

    Om deze pakketten te installeren, gebruik het volgende commando:

    su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make'

    4.1. Om te beginnen

    De Fedora documentatie wordt opgeslagen in een CVS repository i! n de map docs/. Om de beschikbar! e module s weer te geven, gebruik de volgende commando's:

    export CVSROOT=:ext:gebruikersnaam@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
-cvs co -c

    Om een module te downloaden om te vertalen, bekijk je de huidige modules in de repository en haal dan de juiste module op. Je moet ook de docs-common module ophalen om met sommige modules te kunnen werken.

    -      cvs co release-notes/
-

    Sommige modules zijn specifiek voor een release, wat betekent dat zij een tak of sub map hebben voor elke Fedora versie:

    ls release-notes/
-CVS  F-7  FC-5  FC-6  FC3  FC4  devel

    De devel/ tak wordt gebruikt voor de aanstaande versie van Fedora. Vertalers werken vaak in deze tak en importeren veranderingen terug naar vorige takken indien nodig.

    4.2. Het maken van gemeenschappelijke bestanden.

    Indien je de allereerste vertaling voor een locale aan het maken bent, moet je eerst de gemeenschappelijke bestanden vertalen. Deze gemeenschappelijke bestanden zitten in de map docs-common/common/.

    [Opmerking]Voorbeeld Locale is pt_BR

    De volgende voorbeelden gebruiken de locale code pt_BR. Vervang deze code door jouw locale code in de volgende commando's.

    1. Lees het README.txt bestand in docs-common/common/entities en volg de aanwijzingen om nieuwe entiteiten aan te maken.

    2. Wanneer je de common entities voor je locale aangemaakt hebt en je resultaat naar de CVS hebt gecommit, maak dan een locale bestand aan voor de juridische kennisgeving:

      cd docs-common/common/
+
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
      4. Documentatie vertalen
      
+Terug   Volgende
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      4. Documentatie vertalen
      
+
      Word lid van de cvsl10n groep om Fedora documentatie te vertalen. Voor meer informatie beteffende een account en abonnementen, refereer naar Paragraaf 2, “Accounts en Aanmeldingen”.
      
+
      Voor het vertalen van documentatie, heb je een Fedora 5 of recenter systeem nodig met de volgende pakketten:
      
+
        
+
      • gnome-doc-utils
        • 
+
      • xmlto
        • 
+
      • make
        • 
+
      • w3m
        • 
+
      
+
      Het gnome-doc-utils pakket levert het xml2po commando en verlangt niet van je om de GNOME desktop omgeving te installeren. De xmlto, make en w3m pakketten bevatten gereedschappen die nodig zijn voor het testen van de gemaakte documenten en vertalingen.
      
+
      Om deze pakketten te installeren, gebruik het volgende commando:
      
+
      su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make w3m'
      
+
      
+
      4.1. Om te beginnen
      
+
      De Fedora documentatie wordt opgeslagen in een CVS repository in de map docs/. Om de beschikbare modules weer te geven, gebruik de volgende commando's (waarbij username wordt vervangen door jouw Fedora account gebruikersnaam):
      
+
      export CVSROOT=:ext:gebruikersnaam@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
+cvs co -c
      
+
      Om een module te downloaden om te vertalen, bekijk je de huidige modules in de repository en haal dan de juiste module op. Je moet ook de docs-common module ophalen om met sommige modules te kunnen werken.
      
+
      cvs co release-notes docs-common
      
+
      Sommige modules zijn specifiek voor een release, wat betekent dat zij een tak of sub map hebben voor elke Fedora versie:
      
+
      ls release-notes/
+CVS  F-7  FC-5  FC-6  FC3  FC4  devel
      
+
      De devel/ tak wordt gebruikt voor de aanstaande versie van Fedora. Vertalers werken vaak in deze tak en importeren veranderingen terug naar vorige takken indien nodig.
      
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
      [Tip]Hoe krijg je de kleinste check-out
      
+
      Een andere manier is om een module alias te gebruiken. Door het gebruiken van de alias release-notes-versie wordt alleen de gespecificeerde versie uitgecheckt. Deze manier plaatst de versie sub-map en de docs-common module in een map, release-notes-versie. Bijvoorbeeld, om alleen de -devel versie te krijgen, gebruik je dit commando:
      
+
      cvs co release-notes-devel
      
+
      Alles wat nodig is om het document te maken is nu aanwezig in de map release-notes-devel/:
      
+
      ls release-notes-devel
+CVS  docs-common  release-notes
      
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      4.2. Het maken van gemeenschappelijke bestanden.
      
+
      Indien je de allereerste vertaling voor een locale aan het maken bent, moet je eerst de gemeenschappelijke bestanden vertalen die in alle documenten voor jouw locale gebruikt worden. Deze gemeenschappelijke bestanden zitten in de map docs-common/common/.
      
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
      [Opmerking]Voorbeeld Locale is pt_BR
+
      De volgende voorbeelden gebruiken de locale code pt_BR. Vervang deze code door jouw locale code in de volgende commando's.
      
+
        
+
      1. Lees het README.txt bestand in docs-common/common/entities en volg de aanwijzingen om nieuwe entiteiten aan te maken.
        2. 
+
      2. 
+
        Wanneer je de common entities voor je locale aangemaakt hebt en je resultaat naar de CVS hebt gecommit, maak dan een locale bestand aan voor de juridische kennisgeving:
        
+
        cd docs-common/common/
 cp legalnotice-opl-en_US.xml legalnotice-opl-pt_BR.xml
 cp legalnotice-relnotes-en_US.xml legalnotice-relnotes-pt_BR.xml	
-
        [Belangrijk]Vertaal 'Legal Notice' niet
        Om juridische gelijkheid te verzekeren in alle locales, vertaal de OPL niet.
      3. Daarna commit je dit bestand ook naar CVS:
        cvs add legalnotice-*-pt_BR.xml
-cvs ci -m 'Added legal notices for pt_BR' legalnotice-*-pt_BR.xml
      4. Vervolgens maak een ontwerp-watermerk voor je locale in de docs-common/images/ map:
        cd docs-common/images/
-cp watermark-en_US.svg watermark-pt_BR.svg
        Vertaal de text elementen in het SVG bestand. Voeg vervolgens je locale's SVG bestand toe aan de Makefile, produceer de PNG en commit de resultaten.
        make watermark-pt_BR.png
+
        
+
        
+
+
+
+
+
+
        [Belangrijk]Vertaal 'Legal Notice' niet
        Om juridische gelijkheid te verzekeren in alle locales, vertaal de OPL niet.
        
+
        5. 
+
      5. 
+
        Daarna commit je dit bestand ook naar CVS:
        
+
        cvs add legalnotice-*-pt_BR.xml
+cvs ci -m 'Added legal notices for pt_BR' legalnotice-*-pt_BR.xml
        
+
        6. 
+
      6. 
+
        Vervolgens maak een ontwerp-watermerk voor je locale in de docs-common/images/ map:
        
+
        cd docs-common/images/
+cp watermark-en_US.svg watermark-pt_BR.svg
        
+
        Vertaal de text elementen in het SVG bestand. Voeg vervolgens je locale's SVG bestand toe aan de Makefile, produceer de PNG en commit de resultaten.
        
+
        make watermark-pt_BR.png
 cvs add watermark-pt_BR*
-cvs ci -m 'Added pt_BR images' Makefile watermark-pt_BR*
      [Belangrijk]Fouten bij het maken van documenten
      Indien je geen gemeenschappelijke entiteiten gemaakt hebt, zal het maken van je document mislukken.
      4.3. Vertalingsprogramma's gebruiken
      De po/ map bevat de .po bestanden die gebruikt worden vo!
 or de vertalingen. De map bevat ook een .pot bestand, of PO sjabloon, welke gebruikt wordt om nieuwe .po bestanden aan te maken als dit nodig is.
      Indien de po/ map nog niet bestaat, kun je deze en het vertalingssjabloon aanmaken met de volgende commando's:
      mkdir po
+cvs ci -m 'Added pt_BR images' Makefile watermark-pt_BR*
      
+
      3. +
    +
    + + + + + +
    [Belangrijk]Fouten bij het maken van documenten

    Indien je geen gemeenschappelijke entiteiten gemaakt hebt, zal het maken van je document mislukken.

    +
    +
    +

    4.3. Vertalingsprogramma's gebruiken

    +

    De po/ map bevat de .po bestanden die gebruikt worden voor de vertalingen. De map bevat ook een .pot bestand, of PO sjabloon, welke gebruikt wordt om nieuwe .po bestanden aan te maken als dit nodig is.

    +

    Indien de po/ map nog niet bestaat, kun je deze en het vertalingssjabloon aanmaken met de volgende commando's:

    +
    mkdir po
 cvs add po/
 make pot
-
    [Let op]Maak Geen Handmatige Veranderingen In Het POT Bestand

    Schrijvers en redacteuren genereren het POT bestand met behulp van de bron XML bestanden, waarbij alle handmatige veranderingen van het POT bestand overschreven worden. Als je een probleem ontdekt in de oorspronkelijke boodschappen van een POT file, ga naar Bugzilla https://bugzilla.redhat.com om het probleem aan te melden.

    Om gebruik te maken van een .po-editor zoals KBabel of gtranslator, volg deze stappen:

    [Opmerking]Voorbeeld Locale is pt_BR

    De volgende voorbeelden gebruiken de locale code pt_BR. Vervang deze code door jouw locale code in de volgende commando's.

    1. Verander van Map

      Ga, in een terminal, naar de map van het document dat je wilt vertalen:

      cd ~/docs/example-tutorial

    2. Voeg Locale toe aan de Lijst

      Zoek de passende locale lijst op om jouw ! locale er aan toe te voegen. Sommige dokumenten gebruiken het ! po/LINGUAS bestand, zoals gestandaardizeerd in het GNOME project, om locales bij te houden.Sommige dokumenten gebruiken deze standaard nog niet. Is dat het geval met de module die je vertaalt, waarschuw het Fedora Documentation Project of meld de fout met Buzilla.

      Voeg je taal code toe aan de lijst in het bestand po/LINGUAS. Houd de lijst in alfabetische volgorde.

    3. Maak een PO bestand

      Maak een nieuw .po bestand voor je locale:

      make po/pt_BR.po

    4. Vertalen van tekstregels

      Om het bestand te vertalen, gebruik je hetzelfde programma als voor het vertalen van software:

      kbabel po/pt_BR.po

    5. Check de Integriteit

      Voordat je jouw veranderingen terug stuurt naar de repository (committen), test de integriteit van de XML met het volgende commando. Dit verzekert een correcte bouw voor alle gebruikers.

      make html-pt_BR

      Je kunt de resulterende HTML bestanden bekijken met een Web browser.

      [Belangrijk]Test Je Vertaling Altijd

      Ga niet naar de volgende stap of commit veranderingen tot dat je je werk in deze stap getest hebt. Foutive veranderingen kunnen documenten beschadigen voor andere gebruikers, redacteuren en geauto! matiseerde toepassingen.

    6. Commit Veranderingen

      Wanneer je vertaling volledig is, commit het .po bestand. Je kunt het voltooide percentage van de vertaling of een andere nuttige boodschap meegeven met het committen:

      cvs ci -m 'Translating...·400/10/126' po/pt_BR.po

    4.4. Wat te Vertalen

    De belangrijkste documentatie modules/mappen voor elke release zijn de volgende:

    • docs-common/common/entities

    • release-notes/devel

    • homepage/devel

    • install-guide/devel

    • about-fedora/devel

    • readme/devel

    • readme-burning-isos/devel

    • readme-live-image/devel

    Om alle beschikbare documenten in de documentatie repository te zien, voer uit:

    export CVSROOT=:ext:gebruikersnaam@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
-cvs co -c
    Terug   Volgende
    3. Software vertalen Begin Register
    + +
    + + + + + +
    [Let op]Maak Geen Handmatige Veranderingen In Het POT Bestand

    Schrijvers en redacteuren genereren het POT bestand met behulp van de bron XML bestanden, waarbij alle handmatige veranderingen van het POT bestand overschreven worden. Als je een probleem ontdekt in de oorspronkelijke boodschappen van een POT file, ga naar Bugzilla https://bugzilla.redhat.com om het probleem aan te melden.

    +

    Om gebruik te maken van een .po-editor zoals KBabel of gtranslator, volg deze stappen:

    +
    + + + + + +
    [Opmerking]Voorbeeld Locale is pt_BR +

    De volgende voorbeelden gebruiken de locale code pt_BR. Vervang deze code door jouw locale code in de volgende commando's.

    +
      +
    1. +

      Verander van Map

      +

      Ga, in een terminal, naar de map van het document dat je wilt vertalen:

      +
      cd ~/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/
      +
      2. +
    2. +

      Voeg Locale toe aan de Lijst

      +

      Zoek de passende locale lijst op om jouw locale er aan toe te voegen. Sommige dokumenten gebruiken het po/LINGUAS bestand, zoals gestandaardizeerd in het GNOME project, om locales bij te houden. Sommige dokumenten gebruiken deze standaard nog niet. Is dat het geval met de module die je vertaalt, waarschuw het Fedora Documentation Project of meld de fout met Buzilla.

      +

      Voeg je taal code toe aan de lijst in het bestand po/LINGUAS met je favoriete editor. Bijvoorbeeld,

      +
      vi po/LINGUAS
      +

      Toets 'a' in om te bewerken en voeg je taal code toe. Daarna bewaar je het bestand en verlaat je de editor.

      +

      Denk eraan om de lijst in alfabetische volgorde te houden. +

      +
      3. +
    3. +

      Maak een PO bestand

      +

      Maak een nieuw .po bestand voor je locale:

      +
      make po/pt_BR.po
      +
      4. +
    4. +

      Vertalen van tekstregels

      +

      Om het bestand te vertalen, gebruik je hetzelfde programma als voor het vertalen van software:

      +
      kbabel po/pt_BR.po
      +
      5. +
    5. +

      Check de Integriteit

      +

      Voordat je jouw veranderingen terug stuurt naar de repository (committen), test de integriteit van de XML met het volgende commando. Dit verzekert een correcte bouw voor alle gebruikers.

      +
      make html-pt_BR
      +

      Je kunt de resulterende HTML bestanden bekijken met een Web browser. Als er geen HTML is aangemaakt, kunnen de foutboodschappen in de output gevonden worden. Los deze problemen op voordat je een commit doet.

      +
      + + + + + +
      [Belangrijk]Test Je Vertaling Altijd

      Ga niet naar de volgende stap of commit veranderingen tot dat je je werk in deze stap getest hebt. Foutive veranderingen kunnen documenten beschadigen voor andere gebruikers, redacteuren en geautomatiseerde toepassingen.

      +
      6. +
    6. +

      Commit Veranderingen

      +

      Voordat je jouw .po bestand commit, verzeker je je ervan dat de html succesvol gemaakt kan worden. Je kunt het voltooide percentage van de vertaling of een andere nuttige boodschap meegeven met het committen.

      +
      cvs ci -m 'Translating...·400/10/126' po/pt_BR.po
      +
      7. +
    + +
    +

    4.4. Wat te Vertalen

    +

    De belangrijkste documentatie modules/mappen voor elke release zijn de volgende:

    +
      +

    • docs-common/common/entities

      • +

    • release-notes/devel

      • +

    • homepage/devel

      • +

    • install-guide/devel

      • +

    • about-fedora/devel

      • +

    • readme/devel

      • +

    • readme-burning-isos/devel

      • +

    • readme-live-image/devel

      • +
    +

    Om alle beschikbare documenten in de documentatie repository te zien, voer uit:

    +
    export CVSROOT=:ext:gebruikersnaam@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
+cvs co -c
    +
    + +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +Terug   Volgende +
    3. Software vertalen Begin Register
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: sn_translating_software.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/nl/sn_translating_software.php,v retrieving revision 1.5 retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.5 -r1.6 --- sn_translating_software.php 27 Dec 2007 02:07:38 -0000 1.5 +++ sn_translating_software.php 23 May 2008 17:19:34 -0000 1.6 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +3. Software vertalen + + + + + + + + -
    3. Software vertalen
    Terug   Volgende

    3. Software vertalen

    Het vertaalbare gedeelte van een software pakket is beschikbaar in een of meerdere po bestanden. Deze kunnen onderhouden worden in een van een aantal versie-control-systemen (VCSs) afhankelijk van het project, zoals CVS, Subversion, Mercurial en git. Ze kunnen gehuisvest zijn op, of fedoraproject.org, of de i18n.redhat.com server. Het i18n.redhat.com systeem is niet in staat om met de cvsl10n groep samen te werken. Om in te tekenen voor een account op i18n.redhat.com, bezoek http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/. Deze waarschuwing is waarschijnlijk slechts tijdelijk van toepassing.

    Dit hoofdstuk legt uit hoe modules die gehuisvest zijn op fedoraproject.org vertaald moeten worden. Vertalers werken op twee raakvlakken, een om de modules te verkrijgen en een andere om de modules to committen. Voordat je begint, moet je eerst de mappen gereed maken die je po bestanden gaan bevatten.

    3.1. Bestand Struktuur

    Om te ! ontdekken welke modules vertaalbaar zijn, bezoek de Module Lij! st op https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/.

    Voordat je enig bestand ophaalt, maak de struktuur gereed om deze bestanden in op te slaan. De onderstaand beschreven struktuur is een voorbeeld, jouw struktuur kan er anders uitzien. Bijvoorbeeld, als je de comps module wilt ophalen om te vertalen, maak de volgende mappen:

    mkdir -p ~/myproject/comps/

    Om later met een andere module te werken, maak een map met de module naam in de hoofd map zoals myproject.

    3.2. Binnenhalen en Vertalen van Modules

    Nu je een map struktuur gemaakt hebt, kun je een bestand ophalen om te vertalen.

    1. Bezoek http://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/ en selekteer de bewuste module. De interface zal je naar een pagina voor die module brengen, zoals http://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/comps/.

    2. Ga naar beneden op de pagina om de tabel van alle beschikbare po bestanden te vinden. Het pot bestand verschijnt bovenaan de lijst. Gebruik de groene download icon naast elke taal om het bestand binnen te halen in de map die je in de vorige sectie hebt aangemaakt.

    3. Omdat de bestand naam om te committen de naam conventie lang.po volgt, verander de naam van het binnengehaalde bestand. Het volgende voorbeeld gebruikt de Japanse locale voor het po bestand:

      ls ~/myproject/comps/
+
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
      3. Software vertalen
      
+Terug   Volgende
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      3. Software vertalen
      
+
      Het vertaalbare gedeelte van een software pakket is beschikbaar in een of meerdere po bestanden. Deze kunnen onderhouden worden in een van een aantal versie-control-systemen (VCSs) afhankelijk van het project, zoals CVS, Subversion, Mercurial en git. Ze kunnen gehuisvest zijn op of fedoraproject.org, of andere systemen.
      
+
      Dit hoofdstuk legt uit hoe modules die gehuisvest zijn op fedoraproject.org vertaald moeten worden. Vertalers werken op twee raakvlakken, een om de modules te verkrijgen en een andere om de modules to committen. Voordat je begint, moet je eerst de mappen gereed maken die je po bestanden gaan bevatten.
      
+
      
+
      3.1. Bestand Struktuur
      
+
      Om te ontdekken welke modules vertaalbaar zijn, bezoek de Module Lijst op https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/.
      
+
      Voordat je enig bestand ophaalt, maak de struktuur gereed om deze bestanden in op te slaan. De onderstaand beschreven struktuur is een voorbeeld, jouw struktuur kan er anders uitzien. Bijvoorbeeld, als je de comps module wilt ophalen om te vertalen, maak de volgende mappen:
      
+
      mkdir -p ~/myproject/comps/
      
+
      Om later met een andere module te werken, maak je een map met de module naam in de hoofd map zoals ~/myproject/system-config-printer/.
      
+
      
+
      
+
      3.2. Binnenhalen en Vertalen van Modules
      
+
      Nu je een map struktuur hebt aangemaakt, kun je een bestand downloaden om te vertalen. Je moet misschien met andere vertalers in je taal team kontakt opnemen om conflicten te voorkomen. Als je niet zeker bent, neem dan contact op met je taal coordinator.
      
+
        
+
      1. Bezoek je taal pagina, als voorbeeld http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/, en selekteer de bewuste module. De interface zal je naar een pagina voor die vrijgave brengen, zoals http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/fedora-9/.
        2. 
+
      2. Ga naar beneden op de pagina om de tabel van alle beschikbare modules voor die vrijgave te vinden. Gebruik de groene download icoon naast iedere module om het po bestand te downloaden in de map die je in de vorige sectie aangemaakt hebt.
        3. 
+
      3. 
+
        Omdat de bestand naam om te committen de naam conventie lang.po volgt, verander de naam van het binnengehaalde bestand. Het volgende voorbeeld gebruikt de Japanse locale voor het po bestand:
        
+
        ls ~/myproject/comps/
 comps.HEAD.ja.po
 mv ~/myproject/comps/comps.HEAD.ja.po ja.po 
 ls ~/myproject/comps/
-ja.po
      4. Nu is het bestand gereed om te vertalen. Vertaal het po bestand voor jouw taal met behulp van een po editor zoals KBabel of gtranslator.
      5. Controleer de integriteit van het nieuwe bestand voordat je het commit.
        msgfmt -cvo /dev/null ja.po
      [Belangrijk]Belangrijk
      Indien er een fout boodschap verschijnt, herstel deze voor het committen.
      3.3. Committen van Modules
      Als je klaar bent met vertalen, commit het bestand met een aparte interface Transifex genaamd. Je kunt gedetaileerde informatie over dit web gereedschap vinden op https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit.
      1. Bezoek https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit en klik op de link Jump·to·Modules! om naar de Modules and repositories pagina te gaan. Deze pagina laat alle modules zien waar naar jij veranderingen kunt committen. Zoek de module om te committen op in de lijst en selecteer die!
  om de Submit p!
 agina vo
or die module te bezoeken.
      2. Inloggen
        Selecteer onderaan in de Submit pagina Authenticate as a translator om de Login pagina te bezoeken. Login met je Fedora Account System gebruikersnaam en wachtwoord. Na succesvol inloggen verschijnt de Submit pagina.
      3. Submit
        Klik in de sectie Local file de browse knop om je vertaalde file te vinden.
        Klik in de sectie Destination file op het dropdown menu Overwrite an existing file: om je taal te selecteren.
        Voeg een kommentaar toe in de sectie Commit message om je werk te omschr!
 ijven.
        Selecteer de Preview knop om door te gaan naar de Preview submission pagina. Check het Differences gedeelte om je veranderingen te verifieren en selecteer de Submit knop.
        De Submit pagina verschijnt en toont de boodschap Your submission was committed successfully. Als je een foutmelding, of een andere succes boodschap ontvangt, stuur die dan naar de Fedora Translation Project mail lijst zodat ernaar gekeken kan worden.
      3.4. Een Nieuw .po bestand Toevoegen
      Als er geen .po bestand is voor je taal da!
 n moet je die toevoegen.
      1. Haal het bestand pot op en kopieer deze naar je eigen taal's po bestand.
        cp ~/myproject/comps/comps.HEAD.pot ja.po
+ja.po
        
+
        2. 
+
      2. Nu is het bestand gereed om te vertalen. Vertaal het po bestand voor jouw taal met behulp van een po editor zoals KBabel of gtranslator.
        3. 
+
      3. 
+
        Controleer de integriteit van het nieuwe bestand voordat je het commit.
        
+
        msgfmt -cvo /dev/null ja.po
        
+
        4. 
+
      
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
      [Belangrijk]Belangrijk
      Indien er een fout boodschap verschijnt, herstel deze voor het committen.
      
+
      
+
      
+
      3.3. Committen van Modules
      
+
      Als je klaar bent met vertalen, commit het bestand met een aparte interface Transifex genaamd. Je kunt gedetaileerde informatie over dit web gereedschap vinden op https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit.
      
+
        
+
      1. Bezoek https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit en klik op de link Jump·to·Modules! om naar de Modules and repositories pagina te gaan. Deze pagina laat alle modules zien waar naar jij veranderingen kunt committen. Zoek de module om te committen op in de lijst en selecteer die om de Submit pagina voor die module te bezoeken.
        2. 
+
      2. 
+
        Inloggen
        
+
        Selecteer onderaan in de Submit pagina Authenticate as a translator om de Login pagina te bezoeken. Login met je Fedora Account System gebruikersnaam en wachtwoord. Na succesvol inloggen verschijnt de Submit pagina.
        
+
        3. 
+
      3. 
+
        Submit
        
+
        Klik in de sectie Local file de browse knop om je vertaalde file te vinden.
        
+
        Klik in de sectie Destination file op het dropdown menu Overwrite an existing file: om je taal te selecteren.
        
+
        Voeg een kommentaar toe in de sectie Commit message om je werk te omschrijven.
        
+
        Selecteer de Preview knop om door te gaan naar de Preview submission pagina. Check het Differences gedeelte om je veranderingen te verifieren en selecteer de Submit knop.
        
+
        De Submit pagina verschijnt en toont de boodschap Your submission was committed successfully. Als je een foutmelding, of een andere succes boodschap ontvangt, stuur die dan naar de Fedora Localization Project mail lijst zodat ernaar gekeken kan worden.
        
+
        4. 
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      3.4. Een Nieuw .po bestand Toevoegen
      
+
      Als er geen .po bestand is voor je taal dan moet je die toevoegen.
      
+
        
+
      1. 
+
        Haal het bestand pot op en kopieer deze naar je eigen taal's po bestand.
        
+
        cp ~/myproject/comps/comps.HEAD.pot ja.po
 kbabel ja.po
-msgfmt -cvo /dev/null ja.po
      2. Als je klaar bent met de vertaling, volg dan dezelfde stappen om je vertaling te verifieren en committen zoals beschreven in de vorige sectie.
      3. Type in de sectie genaamd Destination file je nieuwe bestandsnaam in het veld Type the name for a new one:, en vervang de bestandsnaam met jouw locale:
        po/ja.po
      3.5. Testen van je vertaling
      Om je vertaling te testen als een deel van de software, volg dan de volgende stappen:
      1. Ga naar de map van het pakket dat je wilt testen:
        cd ~/mijn_project/pakket-naam
      2. Converteer het .po bestand naar een .mo bestand met msgfmt:
        msgfmt taal.po
      3. Overschrijf het bestaande .mo bestand in /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/. Maak eerst een kopie van het bestaande bestand:
        cp /usr/share/locale/taal/LC_MESSAGES/pakket-naam.mo pakket-naam.mo-backup
-mv pakket-naam.mo /usr/share/locale/taal/LC_MESSAGES/
      4. Test het pakket met de vertaalde tekst als onderdeel van de applicatie:
        LANG=taal pakket-naam
      Het programma waaraan het vertaalde pakket verbonden is, zal starten met de vertaalde teksten.
      Terug   Volgende
      2. Accounts en Aanmeldingen Begin 4. Documentatie vertalen
      
+msgfmt -cvo /dev/null ja.po
      +
      4. +

    4. Als je klaar bent met de vertaling, volg dan dezelfde stappen om deze te verifieren en commit daarna je vertaling zoals beschreven in de vorige sectie.

      5. +
    5. +

      Type in de sectie genaamd Destination file je nieuwe bestandsnaam in het veld Type the name for a new one:, en vervang de bestandsnaam met jouw locale:

      +
      po/ja.po
      +
      6. +
    +
    +
    +

    3.5. Testen van je vertaling

    +

    Om je vertaling te testen als een deel van de software, volg dan de volgende stappen:

    +
      +
    1. +

      Ga naar de map van het pakket dat je wilt testen. Bijvoorbeeld,

      +
      cd ~/mijn_project/system-config-printer/
      +
      2. +
    2. +

      Converteer het .po bestand naar een .mo bestand door msgfmt te gebruiken met -o:

      +
      msgfmt -o system-config-printer.mo ja.po
      +
      3. +
    3. +

      Als root gebruiker overschrijf je het bestaande .mo bestand in /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/.

      +

      Maak eerst een back up van het bestaande bestand:

      +
      su -
      +
      cp /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/system-config-printer.mo system-config-printer.mo-backup
      +

      Verplaats nu het veranderde bestand om te testen.

      +
      mv system-config-printer.mo /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/
      +

      Eindig de root sessie.

      +
      exit
      +
      4. +
    4. +

      Test het pakket met de vertaalde tekst als onderdeel van de applicatie:

      +
      LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 system-config-printer
      +
      5. +
    +

    Het programma waaraan het vertaalde pakket verbonden is, zal starten met de vertaalde teksten.

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +Terug   Volgende +
    2. Accounts en Aanmeldingen Begin 4. Documentatie vertalen
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fri May 23 17:20:05 2008 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:05 GMT Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN legalnotice-opl.php, NONE, 1.1 generated-index.php, 1.1, 1.2 index.php, 1.3, 1.4 rv-revhistory.php, 1.3, 1.4 sn_accounts.php, 1.3, 1.4 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.3, 1.4 sn_translating_software.php, 1.3, 1.4 Message-ID: <200805231720.m4NHK5tb018022@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv17777/zh_CN Modified Files: generated-index.php index.php rv-revhistory.php sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php sn_translating_software.php Added Files: legalnotice-opl.php Log Message: Update to TQSG 0.5 and make sure hu, pl, nl, ja, and zh_CN are available as well ***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legalnotice-opl.php' Index: generated-index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN/generated-index.php,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- generated-index.php 13 Sep 2007 02:52:58 -0000 1.1 +++ generated-index.php 23 May 2008 17:19:35 -0000 1.2 @@ -1,3 +1,14 @@ + + + +?????? + + + + + + + -
    ??????
    ???????????????

    ??????

    ???????????????
    4.???????????????????????????
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    ??????
    +???????????????
    +
    +
    +
    +

    ??????

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +???????????????
    4.???????????????????????????
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.3 retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4 --- index.php 13 Sep 2007 02:52:58 -0000 1.3 +++ index.php 23 May 2008 17:19:35 -0000 1.4 @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@ + + + +???????????????????????? + + + + + + -
    ????????????????????????
    ???????????????

    ????????????????????????

    Manuel Ospina

    ?????????

    Paul W. Frields

    ?????????

    Noriko Mizumoto

    Hugo Cisneiros

    Francesco Tombolini

    Andrew Martynov

    Jos?? Pires

    Bart Courveur

    Dimitris Glezos

    Damien Durand

    < /div>

    Guillermo Gomez

    Diego B??rigo Zacar??o

    Version 0.3.8.1 (2007-09-04)

    ?????? ?? 2005, 2006, 2007 Red Hat, Inc. ?????????

    1. ??????
    2. Fedora???????????????????????????
    2.1. ??????SSH??????
    2.2. ?????????????????????
    2.3. ????????????
    3. ????????????
    3.1. ???????????????
    3.2. ??????
    4. ????????????
    4.1. ????????????
    4.2. ??????????????????
    4.3. ????????????????????????
    ??????

    1.????????

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Fedora ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????(Translation Guide)??????????????????????????????????????????

    ???????????????
    ??????2.??Fedora???????????????????????????
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    ????????????????????????
    ??????????????? +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +

    ????????????????????????

    +
    +

    +Manuel Ospina +

    +
    +

    ?????????

    +

    +Paul W. Frields +

    +
    +
    +

    ?????????

    +

    +Noriko Mizumoto +

    +
    +
    +

    ?????????

    +

    +Dimitris Glezos +

    +
    +
    +

    +Hugo Cisneiros +

    +

    +Francesco Tombolini +

    +

    +Andrew Martynov +

    +

    +Jos?? Pires +

    +

    +Bart Courveur +

    +

    +Damien Durand +

    +

    +Guillermo Gomez +

    +

    +Diego B??rigo Zacar??o +

    +

    Version 0.5 (2008-04-18)

    +

    ?????? ?? 2005, 2006, 2007 Red Hat, Inc. ?????????

    + + +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    1. ??????
    +
    2. ???????????????
    +
    +
    2.1. ??????????????????
    +
    2.2. ??????SSH??????
    +
    2.3. ??????GPG??????
    +
    2.4. ??????????????????
    +
    2.5. ??????CLA
    +
    2.6. ?????????cvsl10n??????
    +
    2.7. ??????????????????
    +
    2.8. ????????????Wiki??????
    +
    2.9. ???????????????
    +
    2.10. ????????????Bugzilla??????
    +
    2.11. ??????
    +
    +
    3. ????????????
    +
    +
    3.1. ????????????
    +
    3.2. ?????????????????????
    +
    3.3. ????????????
    +
    3.4. ????????????.po??????
    +
    3.5. ??????
    +
    +
    4. ????????????
    +
    +
    4.1. ????????????
    +
    4.2. ??????????????????
    +
    4.3. ???????????????
    +
    4.4. ????????????
    +
    +
    ??????
    +
    +
    +

    1.????????

    +

    ?????????????????????Fedora????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    +

    ??????????????????FAQ????????????http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/FAQ.

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    ??????????????? +
    ??????2.?????????????????
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: rv-revhistory.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN/rv-revhistory.php,v retrieving revision 1.3 retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4 --- rv-revhistory.php 13 Sep 2007 02:52:58 -0000 1.3 +++ rv-revhistory.php 23 May 2008 17:19:35 -0000 1.4 @@ -1,3 +1,10 @@ + + + +???????????? + + + -
    +
    ????????????
    ?????? 0.3.8.12007-09-04DZ
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
    ????????????
    ?????? 0.52008-04-18NM
    +

    + ???????????????FAS2???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? +

    +
    ?????? 0.4.12008-03-19NM
    +

    + ?????????3.2??????????????? +

    +
    ?????? 0.42008-03-03DG
    +

    + ?????????i18n.redhat.com????????? +

    +
    ?????? 0.3.9.22008-02-18PWF
    +

    + ??????GPG key URL +

    +
    ?????? 0.3.9.12007-12-23PWF
    +

    + ?????????Transifex??????????????? +

    +
    ?????? 0.3.92007-11-14PWF
    +

    + ??????,???????????????????????? +

    +
    ?????? 0.3.8.22007-09-28NM
    +

    + ???????????????????????????????????????????????????transifex?????????????????????????????????????????????. +

    +
    ?????? 0.3.8.12007-09-04DZ

    ???????????????????????????SSH???????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.82007-08-23NM
    +
    ?????? 0.3.82007-08-23NM

    ??????????????????????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.7.52007-07-29PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.3.7.52007-07-29PWF

    ???????????????LINGUAS???????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.7.42007-07-28PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.3.7.42007-07-28PWF

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.7.32007-07-06PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.3.7.32007-07-06PWF

    ????????????????????? POT ?????????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.7.22007-05-29MO
    +
    ?????? 0.3.7.22007-05-29MO

    ?????? CVS ?????????????????????????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.7.12007-04-03PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.3.7.12007-04-03PWF

    ?????????????????????????????????pot???po??????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.72006-10-14PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.3.72006-10-14PWF

    ????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.62006-09-20MO
    +
    ?????? 0.3.62006-09-20MO

    Bug ??????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.52006-08-14PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.3.52006-08-14PWF

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.42006-08-10MO
    +
    ?????? 0.3.42006-08-10MO

    ?????????????????????????????????GPG?????????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.32006-08-06PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.3.32006-08-06PWF

    ????????????????????????POT??????????????????????????????rpm-info?????????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.22006-07-03PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.3.22006-07-03PWF

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.3.12006-05-28PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.3.12006-05-28PWF

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.32006-05-27PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.32006-05-27PWF

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.2.2.22006-02-13PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.2.2.22006-02-13PWF

    ????????????DocBook??XML??4.4?????????XInclude

    -
    ?????? 0.2.2.12006-02-02PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.2.2.12006-02-02PWF

    ?????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.2.22006-02-01PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.2.22006-02-01PWF

    ???????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.2.12006-01-30PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.2.12006-01-30PWF

    ???????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.22006-01-25PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.22006-01-25PWF

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006PWF
    +
    ?????? 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006PWF

    ?????????????????????

    -
    ?????? 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006MO
    +
    ?????? 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006MO

    ????????????

    -
    +
    displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: sn_accounts.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN/sn_accounts.php,v retrieving revision 1.3 retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4 --- sn_accounts.php 13 Sep 2007 02:52:58 -0000 1.3 +++ sn_accounts.php 23 May 2008 17:19:35 -0000 1.4 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +2.????????????????? + + + + + + + + -
    2.??Fedora???????????????????????????
    ????????????????????????

    2.??Fedora???????????????????????????

    2.1.????????SSH??????

    ??????????????????SSH?????????????????????Fedora ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????? 2 ??????????????????????????????????????????????! ?????????????????????????????

    1. ?????????????????????

      -ssh-keygen -t dsa
-

      ????????????????????????(~/.ssh/id_dsa)???????????????

      [??????]??????????????????????????????

      ?????????CVS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    2. ????????????ssh key???????????????.ssh???????????????

      -chmod 700 ~/.ssh
-chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_dsa
-chmod 644 ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub
-

    3. ????????????ssh key??????????????????????????????????????????Fedora???????????????

    2.2.???????????????????????

    ??????????????? Fedora ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/ ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? E-mail ?????????????????????????????????(????????????????????????)??????????????? SSH ?????????

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????:http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list??????????????????????????????????????????????????????fedora-trans-es?????????????????????

    2.3.??????????????

    ?????????????????????????????????????????? Fedora ????????????????????????

    1. Fedora ?????????????????????????????????????????? GPG key ??? E-mail ?????????????????????????????????????????? GPG key???

      -gpg??--gen-key
-

      ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Enter???????????????

      ?????????????????????key?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????key??????????????????????????????

      -gpg??--keyserver??pgp.mit.edu??--send-keys??GPGKEYID
-

    2. ????????? Fedora ??????????????????????????????????????? http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/ ?????????

    3. ???????????? Fedora ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction???

    4. ?????????????????????????????? Fedora ?????????????????? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ ????????????????????????(Apply for a new account)????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      ???????????????Contributors License Agreement(CLA),???http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo???????????????

    5. ??????????????????CLA??????????????????account system?????????Edit Your Account???????????????E-mail?????????????????????????????????????????????Add new membership??????Groupname???????????????cvsl10n?????????Add??????????????????????????????????????????????????????CVS??????????????????

      [??????]CVS??????????????????????????????

      ????????????????????????????! ???????? ????????? CVS ????????????????????????????????? Fedora ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    6. ??????????????????????????????WIKI(??????)??????????????????http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences?????????????????????Create??Profile???

    7. ??????????????????WIKI?????????????????????????????????WIKI???????????????http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup??????????????????IRC???????????????????????????????????????????????????fedora-docs-list????????????????????????????????????

    ????????????????????????
    ?????????????????????????????????????3.??????????????
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    2.?????????????????
    +???????????????????????? +
    +
    +
    +
    +

    2.?????????????????

    +

    ???????????????Fedora?????????,??????????????????????????????????????????????????????.??????????????????,?????????fedora-trans-list,????????????Internet Relay Chat(IRC)????????????,???irc.freenode.org?????????#fedora-l10n??????.

    +
    +

    2.1.????????????????????

    +
      +

    1. ??????https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list/??????????????????????????????????????????

      2. +

    2. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      3. +

    3. ??????http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.2.????????SSH??????

    +

    ??????????????????SSH?????????????????????Fedora ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????? 2 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    +
      +
    1. +

      ?????????????????????

      +
      ssh-keygen -t dsa
      +

      ????????????????????????(~/.ssh/id_dsa)??????????????????

      +
      + + + + + +
      [??????]??????????????????

      ?????????CVS?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      +
      2. +
    2. +

      ?????????????????????.ssh??????????????????

      +
      chmod 700 ~/.ssh chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_dsa chmod 644 ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub
      +
      3. +

    3. ????????????(~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub)????????????Fedora????????????????????????????????2.4????? ???????????????????????????

      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.3.????????GPG??????

    +
      +
    1. +

      ???????????????????????????????????????

      +
      gpg --gen-key
      +

      ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      +
      + + + + + +
      [??????]????????????????????????
      +

      ?????????????????????

      +
        +

      • ???????????????,????????????,??????,????????????,?????????????????????

        • +

      • ???????????????????????????,???????????????????????????

        • +

      • ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

        • +
      +
      +
      2. +

    2. ?????????????????????,????????????key ID,????????????"pub 1024D/1B2AFA1C".??????key ID?????????(/)?????????8????????????????????????.????????????????????????,GPG???Key ID???1B2AFA1C. ????????????key ID.

      3. +
    3. +

      ????????????????????????????????????????????????,???????????????????????????????????????????????????,??????????????????key ID:

      +
      gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --send-keys GPGKEYID
      +
      4. +

    4. ??????GPG key ID????????????Fedora????????????????????????????????2.4????? ???????????????????????????

      5. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.4.????????????????????

    +
      +

    1. ??????????????? Fedora ?????????????????????https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/???????????????????????????

      2. +

    2. ???????????????, ?????? ??? Email, ????????? Sign up!.?????????????????????????????????

      3. +

    3. ??????https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????CLA???????????????SSH key???????????????

      4. +

    4. ???????????????SSH key???GPG key ID?????????????????????????????? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit???

      5. +

    5. ???????????????????????????GPG Key ID:??????????????????GPG key ID???????????????SSH key??????Public SSH Key:?????????????????????...???????????????????????????SSH key???

      6. +

    6. ?????????CLA?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????admin?????????????????????Fedora???????????? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/PrivacyPolicy???

      7. +

    7. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      8. +

    8. ??????????????????????????????!????????????????????????

      9. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.5.????????CLA

    +

    ????????????????????????????????????(the Contributors License Agreement),???CLA.

    +
      +

    1. ??????https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/.????????????????????????????????????????????????.

      2. +

    2. ??????????????????????????????CLA????????? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit???

      3. +

    3. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Fedora?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      4. +

    4. ????????????????????????????????????CLA:????????????CLA Done???

      5. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.6.???????????cvsl10n??????

    +
      +

    1. ???????????????????????????????????????Apply For a new Group?????????????????????????????????????????????https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/view/user_name?????????????????????????????????

      2. +

    2. ?????????????????? C??? ??????????????? 'c'????????????????????????

      3. +

    3. ??????????????????cvsl10n??????????????????Apply???

      4. +

    4. ??????????????????????????????????????????,??????????????????.??????????????????????????????????????????.????????????,???????????????????????????????????????.

      5. +
    +
    + + + + + +
    [??????]??????

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Fedora ????????????,???????????????????????????.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????.????????????????????????????????????,??????????????????????????????.

    +
    +
    +

    2.7.????????????????????

    +
      +
    1. +

      ??????cvs?????????,??????????????????????????????,?????????????????????:

      +
      su -c 'yum install cvs'
      +
      2. +
    2. +

      ??????????????????????????????PO??????,????????????????????????????????????SSH key??????:

      +
      export CVSROOT=:ext:?????????@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/l10n cvs co web ls web/flpweb/po
      +
      3. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.8.??????????????Wiki??????

    +
      +

    1. ???????????????wiki????????????????????????wiki?????????.?????????http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup/????????????????????????,????????????????????????http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue/EditGroupQueue,????????????????????????????????????.

      2. +

    2. ????????????,??????http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences/???????????????????????????.???????????????,???????????????'FirstnameLastname'?????????,????????????Create Profile.

      3. +

    3. ?????????????????????????????????,???????????????????????????????????????,?????????????????????L10N/Teams??????,???http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/.

      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.9.?????????????????

    +
      +

    1. ?????????????????????wiki?????????,????????????????????????.URL???http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirstnameLastname/.????????????Fedora?????????????????????????????????.

      2. +

    2. ??????????????????????????????http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join/SelfIntroduction/???fedora-trans-list?????????????????????????????????.

      3. +
    +
    +
    +

    2.10.??????????????Bugzilla??????

    +

    ??????https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi/????????????Bugzilla??????.

    +
    +
    +

    2.11.????????

    +

    ????????????????????????:

    +
      +

    • ?????????fedora-trans-list???????????????????????????????????????

      • +

    • ??????SSH key

      • +

    • ??????GPG key

      • +

    • ??????Fedora??????

      • +

    • ???cvsl10n?????????????????????

      • +

    • ??????wiki??????

      • +

    • ??????????????????????????????http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams/

      • +

    • ??????Bugzilla??????

      • +

    • ??????wiki????????????????????????

      • +

    • ???????????????????????????????????????

      • +
    +

    ????????????,??????????????????.????????????????????????????????????Fedora??????????????????,???????????????????????????????????????,????????????????????????CVS,???????????????wiki,??????bugs,??????????????????????????????????????????.

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +???????????????????????? +
    ?????????????????????????????????????3.??????????????
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: sn_translating_docs.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN/sn_translating_docs.php,v retrieving revision 1.3 retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4 --- sn_translating_docs.php 13 Sep 2007 02:52:58 -0000 1.3 +++ sn_translating_docs.php 23 May 2008 17:19:35 -0000 1.4 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +4.?????????????? + + + + + + + + -
    4.??????????????
    ????????????????????????

    4.??????????????

    ??????????????????????????? Fedora 5 ?????????????????????,??????????????????????????????

    • gnome-doc-utils

    • xmlto

    • make

    ??????????????????????????????????????????

    -su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make'
-

    4.1.??????????????

    Fedora????????????????????????CVS?????????docs/????????????????????????????????????????????????.po??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -export CVSROOT=:ext:?????????@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
-cvs co -c
-

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????docs-common?????????

    -cvs co example-tutorial docs-common
-

    ??? Fedora ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Fedora ??????????????????release-notes-F-7 ????????????????????????????????? Fedora 7 ????????????

    ????????????DocBook XML??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????en_US/example-tutorial.xml??????????????????.po?????????????????????po/???????????????

    4.2.????????????????????

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? docs-common/common/???

    1. ????????????docs-common/common/entities???README.txt????????????????????????????????????????????????

    2. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????CVS???????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -cd docs-common/common/
+
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
      4.??????????????
      
+????????????????????????
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      4.??????????????
      
+
      ?????????Fedora??????,????????????cvsl10n???????????????.????????????????????????????????????,??????????????2????? ?????????????????????.
      
+
      ??????????????????????????? Fedora 5 ?????????????????????,??????????????????????????????
      
+
        
+
      • gnome-doc-utils
        • 
+
      • xmlto
        • 
+
      • make
        • 
+
      • w3m
        • 
+
      
+
      gnome-doc-utils??????????????????xml2po??????,????????????????????????GNOME????????????.xmlto,make???w3m????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????.
      
+
      ????????????????????????????????????????????????
      
+
      su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make w3m'
      
+
      
+
      4.1.??????????????
      
+
      Fedora?????????????????????CVS?????????docs/???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Fedora???????????????username??????
      
+
      export CVSROOT=:ext:?????????@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
+cvs co -c
      
+
      ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????docs-common?????????????????????????????????????????????
      
+
      cvs co release-notes docs-common
      
+
      ??????????????????????????????,?????????????????????????????????,????????????,??????Fedora???????????????:
      
+
      ls release-notes/
+CVS  F-7  FC-5  FC-6  FC3  FC4  devel
      
+
      devel/??????????????????????????????Fedora?????????.???????????????????????????????????????,??????????????????????????????????????????????????????.
      
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
      [??????]??????????????????
      
+
      ???????????????????????????????????????
      
+
      cvs co release-notes-devel
      
+
      ??????????????????????????????????????????release-notes-devel/????????????
      
+
      ls release-notes-devel
+CVS  docs-common  release-notes
      
+
      
+
      
+
      
+
      4.2.????????????????????
      
+
      ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? docs-common/common/???
      
+
      
+
+
+
+
+
+
      [??????]????????????????????????pt_BR
+
      ?????????????????????????????????????????????pt_BR. ??????????????????,???????????????????????????????????????.
      
+
        
+
      1. ????????????docs-common/common/entities???README.txt????????????????????????????????????????????????
        2. 
+
      2. 
+
        ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????CVS,?????????????????????????????????????????????:
        
+
        cd docs-common/common/
 cp legalnotice-opl-en_US.xml legalnotice-opl-pt_BR.xml
-
        [??????]????????????????????????
        ????????????OPL??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????OPL???
      3. ?????????????????????????????????CVS???
        -cvs add legalnotice-opl-pt_BR.xml
-cvs ci -m 'Added legal notice for pt_BR' legalnotice-opl-pt_BR.xml
-
      4. ???????????????docs-common/images/??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
        -cd docs-common/images/
-cp watermark-en_US.svg watermark-pt_BR.svg
-
        ??????SVG????????????text???????????????????????????????????????SVG???????????????Makefile????????????PNG??????????????????
        -make watermark-pt_BR.png
+cp legalnotice-relnotes-en_US.xml legalnotice-relnotes-pt_BR.xml	
+
        
+
        
+
+
+
+
+
+
        [??????]????????????????????????
        ????????????OPL??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????OPL???
        
+
        5. 
+
      5. 
+
        ?????????????????????????????????CVS???
        
+
        cvs add legalnotice-*-pt_BR.xml
+cvs ci -m 'Added legal notices for pt_BR' legalnotice-*-pt_BR.xml
        
+
        6. 
+
      6. 
+
        ???????????????docs-common/images/??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
        
+
        cd docs-common/images/
+cp watermark-en_US.svg watermark-pt_BR.svg
        
+
        ??????SVG????????????text?????????????????????????????????????????????SVG???????????????Makefile??????????????????PNG??????????????????
        
+
        make watermark-pt_BR.png
 cvs add watermark-pt_BR*
-cvs ci -m 'Added pt_BR images' Makefile watermark-pt_BR*
-
      [??????]????????????
      ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
      4.3.??????????????????????????
      ??????po/????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
      -mkdir po
+cvs ci -m 'Added pt_BR images' Makefile watermark-pt_BR*
      
+
      3. +
    +
    + + + + + +
    [??????]????????????

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    +
    +
    +

    4.3.?????????????????

    +

    po/?????????????????????????????????.po??????.??????????????????.pot??????,???PO??????,?????????????????????????????????.po??????.

    +

    ??????po/????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    +
    mkdir po
 cvs add po/
 make pot
-

    ????????????KBabel??????gtranslator????????????????????????.po?????????????????????????????????????????????

    1. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -cd ~/docs/example-tutorial
-

    2. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????GNOME????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? po/LINGUAS ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Fedora ????????????(Fedora Documentation Project)???????????????Bugzilla???????????????

      ?????????????????????????????????????????? po/LINGUAS ??????????????????????????????????????????

    3. ???????????????????????????????????????.po?????????

      -make po/pt_BR.po
-

    4. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -kbabel po/pt_BR.po
-

    5. ?????????HTML?????????????????????????????????

      -make html-pt_BR
-
      [??????]????????????????????????

      ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    6. ???????????????????????????.po???????????????CVS????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -cvs ci -m 'Message about commit' po/pt_BR.po
-

      ??????????????????????????????Makefile??????

      -cvs ci -m 'Translation to pt_BR finished' Makefile
-
      [??????]?????????????????? POT ??????

      ???????????????????????? XML ?????? POT ?????????????????????????????????????????? POT ????????????????????? POT ???????????????????????????????????????????????? bugzilla https://bugzilla.redhat.com???

    !
    ????????????????????????
    3.?????????????????????????????????
    + +
    + + + + + +
    [??????]?????????????????? POT ??????

    ???????????????????????? XML ?????? POT ?????????????????????????????????????????? POT ????????????????????? POT ???????????????????????????????????????????????? bugzilla https://bugzilla.redhat.com???

    +

    ?????????KBabel???gtranslator?????????.po?????????,????????????????????????.

    +
    + + + + + +
    [??????]????????????????????????pt_BR +

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????pt_BR. ??????????????????,???????????????????????????????????????.

    +
      +
    1. +

      ????????????

      +

      ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      +
      cd ~/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/
      +
      2. +
    2. +

      ???????????????????????????

      +

      ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????GNOME????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? po/LINGUAS ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Fedora ????????????(Fedora Documentation Project)???????????????Bugzilla???????????????

      +

      ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????po/LINGUAS?????????????????????

      +
      vi po/LINGUAS
      +

      ???'a'?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      +

      ???????????????????????????????????????????????? +

      +
      3. +
    3. +

      ??????PO??????

      +

      ??????????????????????????????????????????.po?????????

      +
      make po/pt_BR.po
      +
      4. +
    4. +

      ???????????????

      +

      ???????????????,?????????????????????????????????????????????

      +
      kbabel po/pt_BR.po
      +
      5. +
    5. +

      ???????????????

      +

      ???????????????????????????,?????????????????????XML????????????.??????????????????????????????????????????.

      +
      make html-pt_BR
      +

      ???????????????????????????????????????HTML???????????????HTML???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      +
      + + + + + +
      [??????]????????????????????????

      ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      +
      6. +
    6. +

      ????????????

      +

      ????????????.po???????????????????????????????????????????????????html????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      +
      cvs ci -m '?????????... 400/10/126' po/pt_BR.po
      +
      7. +
    +
    +
    +

    4.4.??????????????

    +

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????/??????:

    +
      +

    • docs-common/common/entities

      • +

    • release-notes/devel

      • +

    • homepage/devel

      • +

    • install-guide/devel

      • +

    • about-fedora/devel

      • +

    • readme/devel

      • +

    • readme-burning-isos/devel

      • +

    • readme-live-image/devel

      • +
    +

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????,??????:

    +
    export CVSROOT=:ext:?????????@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
+cvs co -c
    +
    + +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +???????????????????????? +
    3.?????????????????????????????????
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + Index: sn_translating_software.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN/sn_translating_software.php,v retrieving revision 1.3 retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4 --- sn_translating_software.php 13 Sep 2007 02:52:58 -0000 1.3 +++ sn_translating_software.php 23 May 2008 17:19:35 -0000 1.4 @@ -1,3 +1,15 @@ + + + +3.?????????????? + + + + + + + + -
    3.??????????????
    ????????????????????????

    3.??????????????

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? po ????????????????????????????????? Fedora ????????? CVS ???????????? translate/ ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    -export CVS_RSH=ssh
-export CVSROOT=:ext:?????????@i18n.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS 
-cvs -z9 co translate/
-

    ??????????????????CVS?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????.po????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????.pot???????????????anaconda.pot??????????????????????????????.po???????????????zh_CN.po???de.po?????????

    ????????????http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????take????????????????????????????????????????????! ?????????????????????????????????????????????????E-mail??????????????????

    [??????]???????????????????????????

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????(Other)?????????????????????(Show Status)???????????????????????????????????????????????????(Continue)????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? E-mail ??? ???

    ?????????????????????????????????! ???

    < div>

    3.1.?????????????????

    1. ??????????????????????????????????????????

      -cd ~/translate/????????????
-

    2. ?????????????????????????????????

      -cvs up
-

    3. ??????????????????????????????.po??????????????????.pot??????????????????????????????????????????.po?????????

      -msgmerge lang.po ????????????.pot > tmp.po
-

    4. ???????????????????????????

      -msgfmt -cvo /dev/null tmp.po
-

    5. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????tmp.po?????????lang.po???

      -mv tmp.po lang.po
-

    6. ??????KBabel??????gtranslator?????????.po?????????????????????????????????.po????????????????????????KBabel?????????????????????.po????????????????????????

      -kbabel es.po
-

    7. ??????????????????????????????????????????CVS??????

      -cvs commit -m 'comments' lang.po
-

    8. ????????????????????????Release?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    3.2.????????

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    1. ?????????????????????????????????????????????

      -cd ~/translate/????????????
-

    2. ???msgfmt?????????.po???????????????.mo?????????

      -msgfmt lang.po
-

    3. ???/usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/?????????????????????.mo??????????????????????????????????????????

      -cp /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/????????????.mo ????????????.mo-backup
-mv ????????????.mo /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/
-

    4. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      -LANG=lang rpm -qi ????????????
-

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    ????????????????????????
    2.??Fedora????????????????????????????????????????4.??????????????
    + +
    + + + + + + + +
    3.??????????????
    +???????????????????????? +
    +
    +
    +
    +

    3.??????????????

    +

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????po???????????????.?????????????????????????????????????????????(VCSs)????????????,???CVS, Subversion, Mercurial, ??? git.?????????????????????fedoraproject.org?????????????????????.

    +

    ????????????????????????????????????fedoraproject.org????????????.?????????????????????????????????,????????????????????????,???????????????????????????.???????????????,?????????????????????????????????po???????????????.

    +
    +

    3.1.??????????????

    +

    ???????????????????????????????????????,???????????????????????????https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/.

    +

    ??????????????????????????????,?????????????????????????????????.????????????????????????????????????,????????????????????????????????????.??????,??????????????????comps???????????????,?????????????????????:

    +
    mkdir -p ~/myproject/comps/
    +

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????~/myproject/system-config-printer/???

    +
    +
    +

    3.2.???????????????????????

    +

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    +
      +

    1. ????????????????????????,???http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/,??????????????????????????????.??????????????????????????????????????????,???http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/ja/fedora-9.

      2. +

    2. ??????????????????,????????????????????????????????????.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????po????????????????????????????????????.

      3. +
    3. +

      ???????????????????????????????????????lang.po???????????????,?????????????????????????????????.????????????????????????????????????po??????:

      +
      ls ~/myproject/comps/
+comps.HEAD.ja.po
+mv ~/myproject/comps/comps.HEAD.ja.po ja.po 
+ls ~/myproject/comps/
+ja.po
      +
      4. +

    4. ???????????????????????????????????????.??????po???????????????,???KBabel ??????gtranslator,??????po?????????????????????.

      5. +
    5. +

      ???????????????,????????????????????????.

      +
      msgfmt -cvo /dev/null ja.po
      +
      6. +
    +
    + + + + + +
    [??????]??????

    ????????????????????????,????????????????????????.

    +
    +
    +

    3.3.??????????????

    +

    ??????????????????????????????,???????????????????????????Transifex??????????????????????????????.????????????????????????????????????https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit.

    +
      +

    1. ??????https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit?????????Jump to Modules!??????????????????????????????.?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????.????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????.

      2. +
    2. +

      ??????

      +

      ?????????????????????,??????Authenticate as a translator?????????????????????.?????????Fedora??????????????????.??????????????????????????????,????????????????????????.

      +
      3. +
    3. +

      ??????

      +

      Local file?????????,?????????????????????????????????.

      +

      ???Destination file?????????,??????Overwrite an existing file:???????????????????????????.

      +

      Commit message?????????,????????????????????????????????????.

      +

      ???????????????????????????????????????????????????.??????Differences??????,???????????????????????????Submit??????.

      +

      Submit????????????,?????????Your submission was committed successfully.????????????????????????????????????????????????,??????????????????Fedora?????????????????????????????????,?????????????????????.

      +
      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    3.4.??????????????.po??????

    +

    ????????????po????????????????????????,?????????.

    +
      +
    1. +

      ??????pot??????????????????????????????????????????po??????.

      +
      cp ~/myproject/comps/comps.HEAD.pot ja.po
+kbabel ja.po
+msgfmt -cvo /dev/null ja.po
      +
      2. +

    2. ????????????????????????,??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????.

      3. +
    3. +

      ???Destination file?????????,???Type the name for a new one:??????????????????????????????,???????????????????????????.

      +
      po/ja.po
      +
      4. +
    +
    +
    +

    3.5.????????

    +

    ????????????????????????,???????????????????????????????????????????????????

    +
      +
    1. +

      ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      +
      cd ~/myproject/system-config-printer/
      +
      2. +
    2. +

      ??????-o?????????msgfmt?????????.po??????????????????.mo?????????

      +
      msgfmt -o system-config-printer.mo ja.po
      +
      3. +
    3. +

      ???root????????????/usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/????????????????????????.mo??????.

      +

      ?????????????????????????????????

      +
      su -
      +
      cp /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/system-config-printer.mo system-config-printer.mo-backup
      +

      ?????????????????????????????????

      +
      mv system-config-printer.mo /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/
      +

      ??????root?????????

      +
      ??????
      +
      4. +
    4. +

      ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      +
      LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8system-config-printer
      +
      5. +
    +

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + + + + + + + + + + + +
    +???????????????????????? +
    2.??????????????????????????????4.??????????????
    +
    + displayFooter('$Date$'); ?> + From ylynfatt at flowja.com Fri May 23 22:10:30 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (ylynfatt) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:10:30 -0500 Subject: Meeting: Monday 26th May 2200 UTC Message-ID: <483740d6.24e.5b81.982012265@flowja.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Roberts" To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Meeting: Monday 26th May 2200 UTC Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:01:01 +0100 >2008/5/23 Ricky Zhou : >> On 2008-05-23 02:20:48 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> :( I can't ever make 20 UTC on a Monday, I'm sitting on >>> a bus at that time .:( >> Funny thing, I'm also in a bus at that time (Mon-Fri >20:00 UTC) > >Woah...I thought you and Mairin had different times that >you couldn't make!? > >/me is confused. > >Jon > >-- >Fedora-websites-list mailing list >Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list I'm hoping to make it to the next meeting. I'll be on a flight back home on that day but as long as it's not delayed I should be able to attend. 20:00 UTC isn't usually a good time for me either as I'm still at work but I'll see if I can make it at least to some of those that are 22:00 UTC. - Yannick From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat May 24 18:46:23 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 19:46:23 +0100 Subject: New look and feel discussions Message-ID: <507738ef0805241146q83b9376mfa666342070dac8f@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, So I said in the meeting this week I would take this up and see if we can't start making some forward progress with it. There was, as Max said recently, a great conversation on the Marketing list (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-May/msg00094.html is the closes I can find to its beginning). The questions I have about it seem to be: * What do people think about the proposed top ten I think they make a lot of sense, and I'm all for finding a way forward to its creation :) If others have specific questions about items, bring them up in this thread? * How are we going to progress with this? There was a mention of usability testing. Is this our first port of call, or do we want to start with brand new mock-ups? If it's the latter, then I'm happy to set up a wiki page with a list of actions where we can record how people got on with completing them. Once that's out of the way, where do we want to go after that? Thoughts/feedback? Let's get this ball rolling! Best, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun May 25 08:37:44 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:37:44 +0100 Subject: New look and feel discussions In-Reply-To: <40338.65.96.177.86.1211692458.squirrel@webmail.dangerouslyinc.com> References: <507738ef0805241146q83b9376mfa666342070dac8f@mail.gmail.com> <40338.65.96.177.86.1211692458.squirrel@webmail.dangerouslyinc.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805250137u5ca9d41aj758ee4ad7bdaaa21@mail.gmail.com> Hey :) 2008/5/25 : > I think usability testing should be the next step. Usability testing is > going to identify what exactly we are doing wrong right now. I think we > mostly know our weaknesses, but we might not understand exactly why the > problems are occurring and I think usability testing will get us there. > Note that usability testing isn't about getting answers on how to fix it, > but we'll certainly be able to identify how exactly the site is causing > user frustration and be able to learn from those mistakes. > > When we know what mistakes we've made, we should then work on mocking up > potential solutions to those mistakes. OK, that sounds like a cool approach, and usability testing could be fun to run :) > So who do we test? It depends on the task. Here are my guesses task-for-task: > > 1. In one click, download the x86 Fedora Desktop Live Media ISO image. (or > whichever we deem is/would be the most popular / best for new users) > > We want anyone from less-experienced folks to experts to be able to do this. > > 2. Easily access to support tailored for NEW users. > > We probably care mostly about brand-new users & less-experienced users on > this one. Experts have other venues for assistance. > > 5. See / Learn about all of the cool things you can make and do with > Fedora and how other people use Fedora. > > I think this one is really targeted at everyone from not a user yet => > newbie => experienced user. > > 7. Give back to Fedora. (different from joining. Joining is more of a > commitment) > > Newbies/folks without time to become a regular contributor? This task > probably applies to anybody though. > > 9. Get Fedora bling! Spread Fedora! > > Everyone wants this! > > What do you think about the suggestions above? Based on them, I'd say we > should give volunteers the following tests: My only comment is the ones that I've left in, is there anyway to do these at all on the current website? We don't want to be asking users to do something impossible! I'm not even sure if some of these have information on the wiki... Besides that question, the list rocks :) > Is anyone here willing to help run tests? If we had five folks willing to > do 2-3 tests each we'd likely have more than enough data to work with. I'm happy to volunteer. I can certainly get my hands on plenty of newbie folks, from various backgrounds... > > Would it be useful if I ran a sample test or two and recorded them and > made them available to see? Are there any willing victi^H^H^H^H^H > volunteers that wouldn't mind trying out the 10 tasks and telling me over > ekiga/skype/irc/etc how it goes while they do it and while I observe over > VNC? (is there an easy way to record the VNC session while you watch it?) Lol, again I'm more than willing to be the guinea pig, but will I need a static IP for VNC to work properly? I've never used it outside of my LAN. I expect the easiest way to record a VNC session would just be to run Istanbul? I'm pretty sure you can record a single window... Best, Jon From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sun May 25 15:00:15 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 10:00:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: wikinew ready Message-ID: Alrighty websites team. The new wiki is up and ready: https://fedoraproject.org//wikinew/ Go through and fix stuff that's broken. We'll be doing another import of the changed pages (those that changed between now and Tuesday on the current /wiki/) Beyond that though fix whats there, at this point there's no point in reporting it... just fix it :) The site itself will be up and down over the next couple of days as we get new extensions ready, troubleshoot, etc. But the wiki will change over on Tuesday of this week. -Mike From duffy at dangerouslyinc.com Sun May 25 04:41:21 2008 From: duffy at dangerouslyinc.com (duffy at dangerouslyinc.com) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Meeting: Monday 26th May 2200 UTC In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805231301p4cde722bva5f31ceaa0e253e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805230935v1843baf5h5c4e777cfb6d9a05@mail.gmail.com> <48370B00.1070308@fedoraproject.org> <20080523194504.GB29468@Max> <507738ef0805231301p4cde722bva5f31ceaa0e253e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33661.65.96.177.86.1211690481.squirrel@webmail.dangerouslyinc.com> > 2008/5/23 Ricky Zhou : >> On 2008-05-23 02:20:48 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> :( I can't ever make 20 UTC on a Monday, I'm sitting on a bus at that >>> time >>> .:( >> Funny thing, I'm also in a bus at that time (Mon-Fri 20:00 UTC) > > Woah...I thought you and Mairin had different times that you couldn't > make!? I don't really grok UTC very well but I am pretty sure US Eastern is GMT-4 right now which means ... oh yeh so I can make 20, I can't make 22. Sigh. I can't do math. ~m From duffy at dangerouslyinc.com Sun May 25 05:14:18 2008 From: duffy at dangerouslyinc.com (duffy at dangerouslyinc.com) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 22:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New look and feel discussions In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805241146q83b9376mfa666342070dac8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805241146q83b9376mfa666342070dac8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40338.65.96.177.86.1211692458.squirrel@webmail.dangerouslyinc.com> Hiiii! > * How are we going to progress with this? > > There was a mention of usability testing. Is this our first port of > call, or do we want to start with brand new mock-ups? If it's the > latter, then I'm happy to set up a wiki page with a list of actions > where we can record how people got on with completing them. I think usability testing should be the next step. Usability testing is going to identify what exactly we are doing wrong right now. I think we mostly know our weaknesses, but we might not understand exactly why the problems are occurring and I think usability testing will get us there. Note that usability testing isn't about getting answers on how to fix it, but we'll certainly be able to identify how exactly the site is causing user frustration and be able to learn from those mistakes. When we know what mistakes we've made, we should then work on mocking up potential solutions to those mistakes. So how do we do usability testing? Basically, each one of the top ten tasks is a task on a usability test. We ask folks appropriate for each tasks to sit down, start at www.fedoraproject.org, and try to complete the task, speaking aloud (or typing :) ) as much of their stream of consciousness while they try to complete the task as possible. So who do we test? It depends on the task. Here are my guesses task-for-task: 1. In one click, download the x86 Fedora Desktop Live Media ISO image. (or whichever we deem is/would be the most popular / best for new users) We want anyone from less-experienced folks to experts to be able to do this. 2. Easily access to support tailored for NEW users. We probably care mostly about brand-new users & less-experienced users on this one. Experts have other venues for assistance. 3. Figure out what Fedora is / what the project is all about. We care about folks who haven't become users yet, new / less-experienced users, and also folks who are evaluating Fedora from a completely different perspective, such as a member of the news media or a researcher. 4. Join Fedora Mostly this is probably targeted at new users / less-experienced users, particularly ones without development/engineering experience as I think a lot of folks have the perception that you have to be a programmer to contribute when it couldn't be further from the truth. 5. See / Learn about all of the cool things you can make and do with Fedora and how other people use Fedora. I think this one is really targeted at everyone from not a user yet => newbie => experienced user. 6. Catch up on what is happening in Fedora, right now? What's the latest? Current contributors probably care more about this than people who aren't involved in the community yet. 7. Give back to Fedora. (different from joining. Joining is more of a commitment) Newbies/folks without time to become a regular contributor? This task probably applies to anybody though. 8. Download specific versions / form factors of Fedora. (as opposed to #1 which is one click) More experienced users / developers should be able to do this; newbies probably care a little less. 9. Get Fedora bling! Spread Fedora! Everyone wants this! 10. Access developer tools and documentation for Fedora. Experienced users/developers mostly. What do you think about the suggestions above? Based on them, I'd say we should give volunteers the following tests: - don't use or know much about Fedora: 1, 9, 3, 2, 5, 4, 6, 7, 8 - new Fedora user: 1, 9, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 - experienced Fedora user: 1, 9, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 - Fedora contributor/developer: 1, 10, 9, 8, 6, 5, 7, 8 Once we know what and who to test, well then, we have to test. I'm thinking best-case scenario we test folks we know in person, less good but still okay is testing over the phone/ekiga/skype with vnc (because the person can still talk while completing the task), worst but better than nothing is over IRC/IM/etc with vnc(kind of hard to type about how you're doing the task while you're doing it.) Is anyone here willing to help run tests? If we had five folks willing to do 2-3 tests each we'd likely have more than enough data to work with. Would it be useful if I ran a sample test or two and recorded them and made them available to see? Are there any willing victi^H^H^H^H^H volunteers that wouldn't mind trying out the 10 tasks and telling me over ekiga/skype/irc/etc how it goes while they do it and while I observe over VNC? (is there an easy way to record the VNC session while you watch it?) ~m From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sun May 25 23:44:19 2008 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 19:44:19 -0400 Subject: http://fedoraproject.org/en/verify Message-ID: <4839F9D3.6030307@bwh.harvard.edu> The above page basically claims that if you download a Fedora ISO from torrent.fedoraproject.org by BitTorrent, that it can automatically be trusted as a result. This ignores the possibility that the .torrent file itself could have been replaced, which would actually be easier than replacing an entire ISO on a direct download server, since the latter is much larger. The official torrents from torrent.fedoraproject.org include SHA1SUM files, and the advice to check those first should apply to torrent downloads as well as direct downloads. Also, there is no mention of the warning when running "gpg --verify SHA1SUM": gpg: Signature made Wed 07 May 2008 10:03:44 PM EDT using DSA key ID 4F2A6FD2 gpg: Good signature from "Fedora Project " gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. Primary key fingerprint: CAB4 4B99 6F27 744E 8612 7CDF B442 69D0 4F2A 6FD2 I read on an old fedoralegacy.org page that the reason the key is not certified with a trusted signature is due to an old RPM bug. Is this correct? It would be nice if the page mentioned something about this as well. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3266 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Mon May 26 04:20:54 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 00:20:54 -0400 Subject: Introduction: Basil Mohamed Gohar Message-ID: <1211775654.2648.16.camel@alpha> Hello Fedora Web team! My name is Basil Mohamed Gohar, and I am interested in helping out the Fedora Project by contributing some of skills relating to web development & server administration. As for my relevant background, I have been developing PHP & MySQL web applications since 2000 (so for more than 7 years). I've developed several web sites from scratch, as well as worked on modifications (usually for a private company) of several free software apps, such as Moodle & WordPress. I also lease & administer two GNU/Linux servers hosted in a data center in Dallas with ThePlanet, on which I host myriad web site, mostly mine, but also those of a few friends and projects with which I am associated. I have maintained these servers for nearly four years. One of them, in fact, is a mirror for the Fedora Unity Re-Spin project. Incidentally, I am experienced with the Apache HTTPd web server, including working extensively with mod_rewrite. As an avid user of Fedora, I hope that I can contribute these skills for the benefit of the Fedora Project. While I realize that I'll probably be joining a group far more skilled than myself, I also feel that this would be a great opportunity for me to grow my skills. You can see a bit more of my tastes & interests by checking-out my blog: http://www.basilgohar.com/blog/ So, with all of this, I hope someone from the Website team would be willing to sponsor me to join the project! I am really looking forward to this opportunity. Please do let me know if there are any other steps I need to take before requesting a sponsor. --Basil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juankprada at gmail.com Mon May 26 04:42:37 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:42:37 -0500 Subject: Introduction: Basil Mohamed Gohar In-Reply-To: <1211775654.2648.16.camel@alpha> References: <1211775654.2648.16.camel@alpha> Message-ID: <1211776957.6804.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 00:20 -0400, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > Hello Fedora Web team! > > My name is Basil Mohamed Gohar, and I am interested in helping out the > Fedora Project by contributing some of skills relating to web > development & server administration. > > As for my relevant background, I have been developing PHP & MySQL web > applications since 2000 (so for more than 7 years). I've developed > several web sites from scratch, as well as worked on modifications > (usually for a private company) of several free software apps, such as > Moodle & WordPress. I also lease & administer two GNU/Linux servers > hosted in a data center in Dallas with ThePlanet, on which I host > myriad web site, mostly mine, but also those of a few friends and > projects with which I am associated. I have maintained these servers > for nearly four years. One of them, in fact, is a mirror for the > Fedora Unity Re-Spin project. Incidentally, I am experienced with the > Apache HTTPd web server, including working extensively with > mod_rewrite. > > As an avid user of Fedora, I hope that I can contribute these skills > for the benefit of the Fedora Project. While I realize that I'll > probably be joining a group far more skilled than myself, I also feel > that this would be a great opportunity for me to grow my skills. > > You can see a bit more of my tastes & interests by checking-out my > blog: http://www.basilgohar.com/blog/ > > So, with all of this, I hope someone from the Website team would be > willing to sponsor me to join the project! I am really looking > forward to this opportunity. Please do let me know if there are any > other steps I need to take before requesting a sponsor. > > --Basil Welcome to the team :) we are always happy to have new people involved. I cant be a sponsor but i can certainly tell you on what we are focusing right now. First is the wiki migration which is scheduled for this coming week and pretty much everything is done, although you could help by checking the content in the new wiki is right. The other thing we are trying to work on is on making some improvements to the current fedoraproject.org website and related sites/domains. I suggest you stick to the discussions here on the ml and attend the weekly meetings (next one will be Monday 20th at 2000 UTC i think) also any suggestion you think would help us, please make sure you post it to the ml or bring it up on the meeting. So this would give you a starting point and an idea on where we are heading. Again welcome to the team :) -- Juan Camilo Prada From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Mon May 26 05:19:15 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 01:19:15 -0400 Subject: Sponsorship queue purge Message-ID: <1211779155.20994.20.camel@ignacio.lan> I am currently in the process of purging anyone that has been in the sponsorship queue for more than 2 weeks. If you feel that you've been removed by accident then get in contact with me and we'll work something out. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Mon May 26 10:42:20 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Today's Meeting -- May 26th @ 22:00 Message-ID: We'll be having our meeting today at 22:00. We're going to run the meeting by going down everything on the current tasks list: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks I have a few questions, mostly my own ignorance from having missed the last meeting or two. I'll ask them here, to save time on IRC later on. 1) The tasks list mentions that the "comprehensive domain list" is now available, for all of the domains that are part of Fedora Project's control. Can someone post a link to where that list is? 2) "Look for a plugin to automate page sponsorship management in MW". Can someone explain to me what the sponsorship in MediaWiki is? Talk to you all tonight, Max From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon May 26 10:53:36 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:53:36 +0100 Subject: Today's Meeting -- May 26th @ 22:00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0805260353u67788c47n71d34c518e3025c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/26 Max Spevack : > We'll be having our meeting today at 22:00. > > We're going to run the meeting by going down everything on the current tasks > list: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks > > I have a few questions, mostly my own ignorance from having missed the last > meeting or two. I'll ask them here, to save time on IRC later on. > > 1) The tasks list mentions that the "comprehensive domain list" is now > available, for all of the domains that are part of Fedora Project's control. > Can someone post a link to where that list is? This is at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/DomainsList > 2) "Look for a plugin to automate page sponsorship management in MW". Can > someone explain to me what the sponsorship in MediaWiki is? Karsten's probably best to explain this, but I'd suggest: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00268.html and 16:11:44 as the time stamp to start from :) Best, Jon From eric at epkphoto.com Mon May 26 15:27:12 2008 From: eric at epkphoto.com (Eric Kerby) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:27:12 -0400 Subject: Documenting source locations Message-ID: Hi all, As someone who wants to get more involved with actually modifying the code of various Fedora websites, I feel that we need to do a better job of documenting where the source can be found for each of our domains. So, in an effort to make this happen, I have modified the DomainsList page on the wiki. Since the "Google Code" column has gone unused since I created the DomainsList page last summer, I replaced it with a "Source Location" column. As you can see, I have tried to put the location of a web- viewable source repository next to several domains. I need your help to fill out this list and make it accurate. I hope this helps potential contributors find our source code more easily. For instance, I'm not exactly sure where the source to the static fp.o pages is now held. It seems like it used to be at http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/web/?root=fedora , but that no longer seems to be the case. Also, pertaining to the call to fix the new wiki, I haven't been able to find where the mediawiki and theme code are being maintained. I found a small bug in the page that appears on the Special:Preferences page after clicking Save. The problem is with the green successbox being displayed to the left of all the preference tabs. I would try to fix this or submit a patch myself, but I can't find the source :-( Regards, Eric Kerby http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EricKerby From juankprada at gmail.com Mon May 26 16:25:32 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:25:32 -0500 Subject: Today's Meeting -- May 26th @ 22:00 In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805260353u67788c47n71d34c518e3025c@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805260353u67788c47n71d34c518e3025c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211819132.4944.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> As i said last week i wont be able to make it to the meetings starting from today, ill be traveling and i wont have my laptop with me so i dont think ill be able to make it at least for a month. I would like to know if somebody is interested in helping with the spins.fp.o section, at least to start leading the efforts and making advancements in the next meetings... -- Juan Camilo Prada From mspevack at redhat.com Mon May 26 17:19:21 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:19:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Today's Meeting -- May 26th @ 22:00 In-Reply-To: <1211819132.4944.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0805260353u67788c47n71d34c518e3025c@mail.gmail.com> <1211819132.4944.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 May 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > As i said last week i wont be able to make it to the meetings starting > from today, ill be traveling and i wont have my laptop with me so i > dont think ill be able to make it at least for a month. No problem... we'll be here! :) We welcome your work and help whenever you are able to offer it! --Max From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon May 26 19:09:03 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:09:03 -0400 Subject: Documenting source locations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080526190902.GA3534@Max> On 2008-05-26 11:27:12 AM, Eric Kerby wrote: > For instance, I'm not exactly sure where the source to the static fp.o > pages is now held. It seems like it used to be at > http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/web/?root=fedora, but that no longer > seems to be the case. > > Also, pertaining to the call to fix the new wiki, I haven't been able to > find where the mediawiki and theme code are being maintained. I found a > small bug in the page that appears on the Special:Preferences page after > clicking Save. The problem is with the green successbox being displayed to > the left of all the preference tabs. I would try to fix this or submit a > patch myself, but I can't find the source :-( This is a great thing to be asking on the list, and I just updated DomainsList a bit. The items that are marked "Infrastructure Team" aren't available in a public repo anywhere, and we need to work on getting these up somewhere (most of them just use a copy/paste of the fp.o template, and the CSS directly from fp.o). For the new wiki, we very recently quickly modified the default MW theme and didn't have a chance to get that into a repo yet. I've put the source up at http://ricky.fedorapeople.org/fpo-wiki-skin/ for now. (It's also possible to simply download/edit the CSS files directly from http://fedoraproject.org/wikinew/, which is what I started out doing). Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon May 26 20:01:23 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 13:01:23 -0700 Subject: Today's Meeting -- May 26th @ 22:00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1211832083.3594.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 12:42 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > We'll be having our meeting today at 22:00. I've got this down as 2000, and the only reference I can find on-list is for 1900. The Websites/Meeting page isn't currently helpful on this topic. Do we alternate times? Is it written down somewhere? Or what should I write down? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon May 26 20:05:02 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:05:02 +0100 Subject: Today's Meeting -- May 26th @ 22:00 In-Reply-To: <1211832083.3594.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1211832083.3594.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0805261305x4039a155p9336f3821e57e69b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/26 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > > On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 12:42 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: >> We'll be having our meeting today at 22:00. > > I've got this down as 2000, and the only reference I can find on-list is > for 1900. The Websites/Meeting page isn't currently helpful on this > topic. Do we alternate times? Is it written down somewhere? Or what > should I write down? The thread where I proposed 2200 UTC, along with alternating times :) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00298.html This probably isn't ideal, but as far as I can tell is the best solution for know. Hope this works for you, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Mon May 26 20:07:21 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 13:07:21 -0700 Subject: Today's Meeting -- May 26th @ 22:00 In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805261305x4039a155p9336f3821e57e69b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1211832083.3594.80.camel@calliope.phig.org> <507738ef0805261305x4039a155p9336f3821e57e69b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211832441.3594.83.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 21:05 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/5/26 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > > > > On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 12:42 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > >> We'll be having our meeting today at 22:00. > > > > I've got this down as 2000, and the only reference I can find on-list is > > for 1900. The Websites/Meeting page isn't currently helpful on this > > topic. Do we alternate times? Is it written down somewhere? Or what > > should I write down? > > The thread where I proposed 2200 UTC, along with alternating times :) > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00298.html > > This probably isn't ideal, but as far as I can tell is the best > solution for know. > > Hope this works for you, Ah, thanks, missed that one. No problems for me, I'll get it in Zimbra with some kind of fancy alternating scheme. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From diego.almeid at gmail.com Tue May 27 04:58:12 2008 From: diego.almeid at gmail.com (Diego Almeida) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 01:58:12 -0300 Subject: Introducing myself Message-ID: <438713950805262158h7cdb1318nba6999db74b433e1@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am Diego Almeida Santos from Brazil, 19-years-old, a engineering student. I use linux since 2005, a Fedora User since final of 2006. Currently I working with developing web, PHP (Using ZF), Python, Css (WebStandards, Tableless), Javascript, PostgreSQL, MySQL, CMS (Joomla!). I Think the Open Source is a reality and every one need to help, I am here to do it! I hope be useful in Fedora Websites Project. Thank's for all! * Diego Santos http://diegosantos.wordpress.com* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-paul at sevestre.net Tue May 27 19:18:25 2008 From: jean-paul at sevestre.net (Jean-Paul SEVESTRE) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 21:18:25 +0200 Subject: fedora 9 Message-ID: <483C5E81.1010607@sevestre.net> Bonjour, J'aurais bien voulu acheter les CDs Fedora 9 i386 si la page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors avait fonctionn?... Meilleures salutations. Jean-Paul Sevestre From raymond.hankins at aquila.com Tue May 27 21:10:12 2008 From: raymond.hankins at aquila.com (Hankins, Raymond) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 16:10:12 -0500 Subject: Link error Message-ID: <6B15984D46B9B14B90463E53BCB84D4B0170A74B@MOKCKDCXSRVC02.na.ad.utilicorp.com> The following link on the Fedora Project page leads to a 403 error page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join#PeoplePerson Path to re-create the error: >From the Fedora Project home page, click on the Join Fedora link, then click on the People Person icon. Raymond L. Hankins PeopleSoft Operations Manager Aquila, Inc. 20 West Ninth Street Kansas City, Mo. 64105 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue May 27 21:27:04 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 17:27:04 -0400 Subject: Link error In-Reply-To: <6B15984D46B9B14B90463E53BCB84D4B0170A74B@MOKCKDCXSRVC02.na.ad.utilicorp.com> References: <6B15984D46B9B14B90463E53BCB84D4B0170A74B@MOKCKDCXSRVC02.na.ad.utilicorp.com> Message-ID: <20080527212704.GC29056@Max> On 2008-05-27 04:10:12 PM, Hankins, Raymond wrote: > The following link on the Fedora Project page leads to a 403 error page. http: > //fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join#PeoplePerson > > Path to re-create the error: > From the Fedora Project home page, click on the Join Fedora link, then click on > the People Person icon. Thanks for the report. We are current migrating our wiki to Mediawiki, and are ironing out a few remaining issues. The 403 problem should be fixed now. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed May 28 07:41:02 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:41:02 +0300 Subject: SVG files in the wiki Message-ID: <483D0C8E.9020508@nicubunu.ro> One of the awesome features in MediaWiki is its ability to display SVG graphics, poth in the special image pages and embedded anywhere, like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_logo.svg It does not seems to work on our wiki, see for example https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_MarketingCollateral_poweredby_sticker_classic.svg I am not sure about the cause, I do not have experience in installing and configuring MediaWiki, the feature may need to be enabled somewhere. Or it may be because the wrong MIME type is served for SVGs, "text/plain" instead of "image/svg+xml", look for example at https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/5/58/Artwork_MarketingCollateral_poweredby_sticker_classic.svg Of course, the problem is not new, we had troubles accessing SVGs in Moin too, but now it is accentuated as we miss some cool features. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dampc at hotmail.com Wed May 28 05:49:56 2008 From: dampc at hotmail.com (=?Windows-1252?Q?Dami=E1n_Alejandro_Massarelli?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:49:56 +0200 Subject: Important! Message-ID: I write from Spain. I have Ftp Server and I see you trying login it. You can see this into the Photo. Please, that is the last time that I want sees you in my system, Ok? Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Tecnolog?a, moda, motor, viajes,?suscr?bete a nuestros boletines para estar siempre a la ?ltima Guapos y guapas, clips musicales y estrenos de cine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Ftp Intento de Conexion.JPG Type: image/pjpeg Size: 87072 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed May 28 08:18:24 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 04:18:24 -0400 Subject: Important! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1211962704.4081.34.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 07:49 +0200, Dami?n Alejandro Massarelli wrote: > I write from Spain. I have Ftp Server and I see you trying login it. > You can see this into the Photo. Please, that is the last time that I > want sees you in my system, Ok? > > Thanks. What you're seeing is a test page included with the Fedora Linux distribution; we don't actually run that server. You can do a WHOIS query in order to find out who is actually responsible for that server. Have a nice day. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed May 28 13:28:14 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:28:14 -0400 Subject: SVG files in the wiki In-Reply-To: <483D0C8E.9020508@nicubunu.ro> References: <483D0C8E.9020508@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <483D5DEE.8040205@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > One of the awesome features in MediaWiki is its ability to display SVG > graphics, poth in the special image pages and embedded anywhere, like this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_logo.svg Aughh!!! My question is WHY is there an SVG logo of the Fedora logo on wikipedia?? ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed May 28 15:27:06 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:27:06 +0300 Subject: SVG files in the wiki In-Reply-To: <483D5DEE.8040205@fedoraproject.org> References: <483D0C8E.9020508@nicubunu.ro> <483D5DEE.8040205@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <483D79CA.9020608@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> One of the awesome features in MediaWiki is its ability to display SVG >> graphics, poth in the special image pages and embedded anywhere, like >> this: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_logo.svg > > Aughh!!! My question is WHY is there an SVG logo of the Fedora logo on > wikipedia?? Heh! I linked to that specific image on purpose, wondering if anyone will ask about trademarks :p I believe you noticed their disclaimer about trademark and the link to Fedora trademark guidelines and policies. IANL, so don't know if this is good enough but I imagine the possible outcome of a take down request. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ianweller at gmail.com Wed May 28 16:44:19 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:44:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: SVG files in the wiki In-Reply-To: <483D79CA.9020608@nicubunu.ro> References: <483D0C8E.9020508@nicubunu.ro> <483D5DEE.8040205@fedoraproject.org> <483D79CA.9020608@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 May 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> One of the awesome features in MediaWiki is its ability to display SVG >>> graphics, poth in the special image pages and embedded anywhere, like >>> this: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_logo.svg >> >> Aughh!!! My question is WHY is there an SVG logo of the Fedora logo on >> wikipedia?? > > Heh! I linked to that specific image on purpose, wondering if anyone > will ask about trademarks :p > > I believe you noticed their disclaimer about trademark and the link to > Fedora trademark guidelines and policies. IANL, so don't know if this is > good enough but I imagine the possible outcome of a take down request. > Regardless of trademark issues, we have tried being able to render SVGs automatically and it failed spetacularly. I imagine we will try again soon. -- ian From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed May 28 17:12:48 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:12:48 -0400 Subject: SVG files in the wiki In-Reply-To: <483D79CA.9020608@nicubunu.ro> References: <483D0C8E.9020508@nicubunu.ro> <483D5DEE.8040205@fedoraproject.org> <483D79CA.9020608@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <483D9290.6050104@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> One of the awesome features in MediaWiki is its ability to display >>> SVG graphics, poth in the special image pages and embedded anywhere, >>> like this: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_logo.svg >> >> Aughh!!! My question is WHY is there an SVG logo of the Fedora logo on >> wikipedia?? > > Heh! I linked to that specific image on purpose, wondering if anyone > will ask about trademarks :p > > I believe you noticed their disclaimer about trademark and the link to > Fedora trademark guidelines and policies. IANL, so don't know if this is > good enough but I imagine the possible outcome of a take down request. I don't think an SVG is necessary for fair use in terms of a wiki article about Fedora. Would they be terribly upset if we proposed switching it out for a nice PNG? ~m From ianweller at gmail.com Wed May 28 18:35:01 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:35:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: SVG files in the wiki In-Reply-To: <483D9290.6050104@fedoraproject.org> References: <483D0C8E.9020508@nicubunu.ro> <483D5DEE.8040205@fedoraproject.org> <483D79CA.9020608@nicubunu.ro> <483D9290.6050104@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I don't think an SVG is necessary for fair use in terms of a wiki > article about Fedora. Would they be terribly upset if we proposed > switching it out for a nice PNG? > You might wanna note that this is on the Commons -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_logo.svg and so therefore you should probably propose that there. From Brian.Douglas at hesperia.org Wed May 28 17:28:07 2008 From: Brian.Douglas at hesperia.org (Brian Douglas) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:28:07 -0700 Subject: email address Message-ID: <483D33B70200008200007820@mail.hesperia.org> when I try to contact the admin email address it does not allow me to mail to that address. Brian Douglas HHS Math Department -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken at sitetrader.com Wed May 28 19:11:53 2008 From: ken at sitetrader.com (ken kaplan) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:11:53 -0400 Subject: Is Fedora.com for sale? Message-ID: <005f01c8c0f6$b0d695c0$6401a8c0@user5ae54adc93> Hi, I would have interest in brokering the sale of this website if it should be for sale. Feel free to contact me at your leisure. Ken Kaplan 404 403 0045 www.sitetrader.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed May 28 20:18:31 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:18:31 -0400 Subject: Is Fedora.com for sale? In-Reply-To: <005f01c8c0f6$b0d695c0$6401a8c0@user5ae54adc93> References: <005f01c8c0f6$b0d695c0$6401a8c0@user5ae54adc93> Message-ID: <1212005911.4081.51.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:11 -0400, ken kaplan wrote: > Hi, > > I would have interest in brokering the sale of this website if it > should be for sale. > > Feel free to contact me at your leisure. > > Ken Kaplan > > 404 403 0045 > > www.sitetrader.com > Where did you get information stating that we own that domain? -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed May 28 20:19:37 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:19:37 -0400 Subject: email address In-Reply-To: <483D33B70200008200007820@mail.hesperia.org> References: <483D33B70200008200007820@mail.hesperia.org> Message-ID: <1212005977.4081.54.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 10:28 -0700, Brian Douglas wrote: > when I try to contact the admin email address it does not allow me to > mail to that address. > > Brian Douglas > HHS Math Department We here are fairly sure that what you're seeing is a test page included with the Fedora operating system. You'll need to do a WHOIS query in order to find out who actually runs the server in question. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 28 20:22:45 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 01:52:45 +0530 Subject: Is Fedora.com for sale? In-Reply-To: <005f01c8c0f6$b0d695c0$6401a8c0@user5ae54adc93> References: <005f01c8c0f6$b0d695c0$6401a8c0@user5ae54adc93> Message-ID: <483DBF15.5040903@fedoraproject.org> ken kaplan wrote: > Hi, > > I would have interest in brokering the sale of this website if it should > be for sale. > > Feel free to contact me at your leisure. The Fedora Project only owns the http://fedoraproject.org site and not fedora.com and we are not at all interested in any kind of sale of the project website. Thank you. Rahul From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed May 28 22:19:47 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:19:47 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Actual question] Message-ID: <1212013187.4081.69.camel@ignacio.lan> Yeah, we're definitely doing it wrong. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams To: Brian Douglas Subject: Re: Actual question Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:05:12 -0400 On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 13:33 -0700, Brian Douglas wrote: > I am new to the linux os and I would like to install fedora 9 on a > back up computer to test it out. However, when I go to the site to > download I have no idea which one I should download. There are three > main categories, and more choices within those. Could you answer my > question? I can help you with your issue, but in the future all end-user questions should be directed to one of the resources listed at the following: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate The two forms of Live Media can be booted from a disc (CD, DVD, or USB key) in order to try Fedora before installing. The "Fedora Desktop Live Media" uses the default desktop environment in Fedora, and the "Fedora KDE Live Media" uses an alternate desktop. Both can be installed. The selection of software at install time is fixed, but more can be added after installation. The Install Media does not give you the opportunity to test Fedora before installing, however the software selection is larger and can be customized before installation. Most personal computers will use either the i386 install media or the i686 live media. Also note that all links in the main sections are for our latest release, Fedora 9. Older releases are accessible at the links in the "Let me look around..." section. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed May 28 22:41:55 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:41:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fwd: Re: Actual question] In-Reply-To: <1212013187.4081.69.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1212013187.4081.69.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 May 2008, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > Yeah, we're definitely doing it wrong. > It was back in the day that was my favorite part of Linux, learning the internals of my box, I guess fewer people are like that these days :) -Mike > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > To: Brian Douglas > Subject: Re: Actual question > Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:05:12 -0400 > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 13:33 -0700, Brian Douglas wrote: > > I am new to the linux os and I would like to install fedora 9 on a > > back up computer to test it out. However, when I go to the site to > > download I have no idea which one I should download. There are three > > main categories, and more choices within those. Could you answer my > > question? > > I can help you with your issue, but in the future all end-user questions > should be directed to one of the resources listed at the following: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate > > The two forms of Live Media can be booted from a disc (CD, DVD, or USB > key) in order to try Fedora before installing. The "Fedora Desktop Live > Media" uses the default desktop environment in Fedora, and the "Fedora > KDE Live Media" uses an alternate desktop. Both can be installed. The > selection of software at install time is fixed, but more can be added > after installation. > > The Install Media does not give you the opportunity to test Fedora > before installing, however the software selection is larger and can be > customized before installation. > > Most personal computers will use either the i386 install media or the > i686 live media. > > Also note that all links in the main sections are for our latest > release, Fedora 9. Older releases are accessible at the links in the > "Let me look around..." section. > > -- > Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed > From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Wed May 28 22:55:18 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:55:18 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Actual question] In-Reply-To: References: <1212013187.4081.69.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1212015318.2855.4.camel@alpha> Mike, Is Fedora only for geeks or is it for "normal" people? I think we know what we want the answer to be, but are we there yet? I want my wife to use Fedora, and she's intelligent, but I'm not sure I would categorize her as a geek, either. I think there's a happy medium - the world isn't geeks vs. non-geeks. But I think we can move more in the non-geek direction still... --Basil On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 17:41 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2008, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > > > Yeah, we're definitely doing it wrong. > > > > > It was back in the day that was my favorite part of Linux, learning the > internals of my box, I guess fewer people are like that these days :) > > -Mike > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > From: Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > To: Brian Douglas > > Subject: Re: Actual question > > Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:05:12 -0400 > > > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 13:33 -0700, Brian Douglas wrote: > > > I am new to the linux os and I would like to install fedora 9 on a > > > back up computer to test it out. However, when I go to the site to > > > download I have no idea which one I should download. There are three > > > main categories, and more choices within those. Could you answer my > > > question? > > > > I can help you with your issue, but in the future all end-user questions > > should be directed to one of the resources listed at the following: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate > > > > The two forms of Live Media can be booted from a disc (CD, DVD, or USB > > key) in order to try Fedora before installing. The "Fedora Desktop Live > > Media" uses the default desktop environment in Fedora, and the "Fedora > > KDE Live Media" uses an alternate desktop. Both can be installed. The > > selection of software at install time is fixed, but more can be added > > after installation. > > > > The Install Media does not give you the opportunity to test Fedora > > before installing, however the software selection is larger and can be > > customized before installation. > > > > Most personal computers will use either the i386 install media or the > > i686 live media. > > > > Also note that all links in the main sections are for our latest > > release, Fedora 9. Older releases are accessible at the links in the > > "Let me look around..." section. > > > > -- > > Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > > > PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed May 28 23:01:31 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:01:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fwd: Re: Actual question] In-Reply-To: <1212015318.2855.4.camel@alpha> References: <1212013187.4081.69.camel@ignacio.lan> <1212015318.2855.4.camel@alpha> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 May 2008, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > Mike, > > Is Fedora only for geeks or is it for "normal" people?? I think we know what we want the answer to be, but are we > there yet?? I want my wife to use Fedora, and she's intelligent, but I'm not sure I would categorize her as a geek, > either. > > I think there's a happy medium - the world isn't geeks vs. non-geeks.? But I think we can move more in the non-geek > direction still... > According to a comment in a recent blog post: http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/16918.html?thread=47894#t47894 Fedora is for enthusiasts. -Mike From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Wed May 28 23:04:56 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:04:56 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Actual question] In-Reply-To: <1212015318.2855.4.camel@alpha> References: <1212013187.4081.69.camel@ignacio.lan> <1212015318.2855.4.camel@alpha> Message-ID: <1212015896.2855.8.camel@alpha> Let me make a more beneficial response...:-D A solution to this particular issue, or perhaps, all general issues like this (geek vs. non-geek audiences) is to make it easy for someone to get what 80% of people looking for it want. So, for example, a nice big button that set "Download Fedora", and it downloads, say, the i386 DVD install. Below that, we have the link for everyone else, which may, initially be the majority, but over time, the big "one-click" audience will grow as we are appealing to them, while the mode advanced crew will hardly feel rebuffed by having to click on the "More options" link...which could just be a Javascript-hidden/revealed link for the rest of the download options, including torrents and jigdo. Is this something that's already in the works, or counter to something wiser? Just some random thoughts. --Basil On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 18:55 -0400, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > Mike, > > Is Fedora only for geeks or is it for "normal" people? I think we > know what we want the answer to be, but are we there yet? I want my > wife to use Fedora, and she's intelligent, but I'm not sure I would > categorize her as a geek, either. > > I think there's a happy medium - the world isn't geeks vs. non-geeks. > But I think we can move more in the non-geek direction still... > > --Basil > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 17:41 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > On Wed, 28 May 2008, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > > > > > Yeah, we're definitely doing it wrong. > > > > > > > > > It was back in the day that was my favorite part of Linux, learning the > > internals of my box, I guess fewer people are like that these days :) > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > > From: Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > > To: Brian Douglas > > > Subject: Re: Actual question > > > Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:05:12 -0400 > > > > > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 13:33 -0700, Brian Douglas wrote: > > > > I am new to the linux os and I would like to install fedora 9 on a > > > > back up computer to test it out. However, when I go to the site to > > > > download I have no idea which one I should download. There are three > > > > main categories, and more choices within those. Could you answer my > > > > question? > > > > > > I can help you with your issue, but in the future all end-user questions > > > should be directed to one of the resources listed at the following: > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate > > > > > > The two forms of Live Media can be booted from a disc (CD, DVD, or USB > > > key) in order to try Fedora before installing. The "Fedora Desktop Live > > > Media" uses the default desktop environment in Fedora, and the "Fedora > > > KDE Live Media" uses an alternate desktop. Both can be installed. The > > > selection of software at install time is fixed, but more can be added > > > after installation. > > > > > > The Install Media does not give you the opportunity to test Fedora > > > before installing, however the software selection is larger and can be > > > customized before installation. > > > > > > Most personal computers will use either the i386 install media or the > > > i686 live media. > > > > > > Also note that all links in the main sections are for our latest > > > release, Fedora 9. Older releases are accessible at the links in the > > > "Let me look around..." section. > > > > > > -- > > > Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > > > > > PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed May 28 23:10:52 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:10:52 -0400 Subject: Meeting Log - 2008-05-26 Message-ID: <20080528231052.GB3890@Max> 17:59 < spevack> ******* BEGIN Fedora Websites Meeting ******* 17:59 < spevack> roll call please 17:59 < spevack> MaxSpevack 17:59 < tw2113> Michael Beckwith 17:59 * ianweller 17:59 < JonRob> JonathanRoberts 17:59 < ivazquez> IgnacioVazquezAbrams 18:00 < spevack> anyone else? 18:00 * spevack waits until :01 18:00 < JonRob> is anyone logging? 18:00 < spevack> i am 18:00 -!- wolfy [n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy] has left #fedora-meeting ["If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip!"] 18:00 < JonRob> cool, and spevack: would you like me to do minutes again? 18:00 < spevack> JonRob: that would be wonderful :) 18:01 < spevack> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-05-26 18:01 < JonRob> np 18:01 < spevack> already started for you 18:01 < spevack> JonRob: thank you so muc! 18:01 < spevack> er, much 18:01 < JonRob> heh 18:01 * ricky 18:01 -!- ryanlerch [n=ryan at 203.34.177.232] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:01 < spevack> ok, well let's get things rolling. 18:01 < spevack> hi ricky 18:01 < spevack> hi ryanlerch 18:01 < ryanlerch> hi 18:01 < spevack> Let's start by talking about the wiki migration, since that happens in the next 24 hours 18:01 < spevack> actually, it's already happening 18:02 < spevack> ianweller, ricky: the floor is yours 18:02 < ianweller> everything's pretty much going swimmingly so far 18:02 * mmcgrath is here 18:02 < spevack> hey mike 18:02 < ricky> For auth, we'll be using basic auth (limited to cla_done) until we get OpenID + MW integration in a better state. 18:02 < mmcgrath> spevack: happy memorial day :) 18:03 < spevack> mmcgrath: thanks. 18:03 < spevack> quick question about a few things: 18:03 < spevack> So once the second migration, of pages that are changed today, is done, then the old wiki 18:03 < spevack> moves officially to wikiold, is set read-only, etc? 18:04 < mmcgrath> I saw a lot of announcements about tomorrow's process, which is great, but the one that i didn't see was "after XX:YY time, everything on Moin is frozen and can no longer be edited" 18:04 < spevack> did i just miss that one? 18:04 < rsc> RobertScheck - sorry, a bit late. 18:04 -!- sereinity [n=sereinit at mon69-3-82-235-39-70.fbx.proxad.net] has quit "su -c'rm -rf /'" 18:05 < ianweller> i'm not sure if there is a set time, yet 18:05 < mmcgrath> spevack: it wasn't in the announcement but I'll make sure to add it to the "its done" announcement. 18:05 < spevack> anyway, it's not too important. people will figure it out when they see the new wiki :) 18:05 < ianweller> heh 18:05 < spevack> mmcgrath: you guys happy with how the migration script worked? 18:06 < spevack> i was poking around and things looked pretty darn good 18:06 < jds2001> should we throw something on the main page for a bit 18:06 < jds2001> since auth has changed? 18:06 -!- cyberpear [n=cyberpea at pool-71-191-60-156.washdc.east.verizon.net] has left #fedora-meeting [] 18:06 < ianweller> we could put an announcement. 18:06 < mmcgrath> spevack: oh I'll never be happy with that thing, but its better then making everyone do everything manually. 18:06 < ianweller> mmcgrath: weren't you going to change the realm in auth_basic? 18:06 < spevack> ok, so here's my question on this topic, as it pertains to the Fedora Websites meeting -- what does this group of people need to do that isn't already planned for in the process? Is there anything other than general awareness that we need to talk about here? 18:07 < mmcgrath> ianweller: yeah, I'll do that now. 18:07 * ianweller takes the floor 18:07 < ricky> mmcgrath, ianweller: I changed it to "Fedora Wiki" from "fedorahosted" (or whatever) a while back, if that's what you're talking about. 18:07 < mmcgrath> actually should be done. 18:08 < ianweller> ricky: oh i just haven't seen. thanks 18:08 < ianweller> anywho, other than general awareness, i think quaid has setup a to-do page 18:08 * spevack waits for ianweller to issue us some orders ;) 18:08 < ianweller> https://fedoraproject.org/wikinew/FedoraProject:Wiki_migration_to-do 18:08 -!- daMaestro [n=jon at fedora/damaestro] has quit "Leaving" 18:09 < ianweller> the first thing that needs to be done is to put all the bugs that we have right now on that page. 18:09 < spevack> ianweller: are those bugs tracked somewhere else right now... or are the bugs that people find meant to be logged on that page? 18:09 < jds2001> .ticket 31 18:09 < zodbot> jds2001: #31 (New Wiki) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/31 18:09 < ricky> There are some that need to be moved from the ticket. 18:10 < ianweller> these are things that the migration masters don't need to do 18:10 < mmcgrath> and there are some that are just listed with the "WIKI" keyword. 18:10 < ianweller> individuals can do them/need to do them 18:10 -!- smooge [n=smooge at int.smoogespace.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:11 < quaid> in parallel, we MUST get a deeply clear list of what is what now, what user's need to do when they first come in to the new wiki, and so forth. 18:11 -!- fab [n=bellet at bellet.info] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 18:11 < spevack> ok, i'm sorry, i'm a bit confused. 18:11 < quaid> which is https://fedoraproject.org/wikinew/FedoraProject:Wiki_migration_to-do#Individual_folks_to-do_list 18:11 < spevack> I'm looking at that ticket, and there are a lot of comments, with good information spread throughout. 18:11 < spevack> you're looking for someone to cull through all those comments 18:11 < spevack> and take the important stuff and move it to the wiki migration to do page? 18:11 < ianweller> anything that hasn't been fixed in ticket 31 should be put on that page, yes 18:11 < quaid> I think most of #31 is done 18:11 < quaid> ? 18:12 < quaid> ok, then we do need to parse it out to a single list. 18:12 < ianweller> right 18:12 < spevack> ianweller: ok, so who's the best person to take this task? 18:12 < ianweller> i don't know. who would like to do it? 18:12 < spevack> one of the wiki migration leaders, or are you looking for another volunteer to help out" 18:12 < spevack> ? 18:12 < ianweller> anyone could 18:12 < quaid> how do they know what is or isn't done? 18:12 < ianweller> oh, right.... 18:13 < ianweller> i can do it, unless mmcgrath or ricky want to 18:13 < mmcgrath> yeah, we should have done the "WIKI" keyword from the start. the only thing they can do now is look. 18:13 < jds2001> there's also obvious stuff 18:13 < ianweller> jds2001: correct 18:13 < ianweller> and the obvious stuff should be placed on https://fedoraproject.org/wikinew/FedoraProject:Wiki_migration_to-do now, iirc 18:13 < jds2001> like manually migratre /wiki/JonStanley to /wiki/User:jstanley 18:13 < spevack> ianweller, jds2001: do the two of you want to take this together? 18:14 < ianweller> sure 18:14 < quaid> jds2001: right, those are "individual folks to-do" 18:14 < jds2001> sure 18:14 < quaid> and that is the list what needs deep clarity 18:14 < spevack> jds2001 can do the obvious stuff, and ianweller can do the hard stuff :) 18:14 < ianweller> ok 18:14 < quaid> people need something like a combined checklist/task list with pointers 18:14 < quaid> then we'll know quickly what is missing, e.g. Help:Categories when you wish the content were there to link to :) 18:15 < spevack> my hunch is that as people start using the new wiki, they'll find the little bugs on the pages that they use the most, and get them fixed. 18:15 < spevack> ie: most people's personal pages will get fixed that way 18:15 < ricky> How can we take advantage of this opportunity to clear cruft? :-) 18:15 < quaid> that's the method :) 18:15 < quaid> ricky: wait two weeks and look for what hasn't been touched? 18:16 < spevack> ricky: well, some subprojects used the migration as a chance to clear out old stuff before it happened. 18:16 < ricky> Ah, that's good. 18:16 < quaid> I'm wondering if we should take advantage of the opportunity to use MW features such as NameSpace: 18:16 < spevack> but i think it would be very interesting to look at all the wiki pages that haven't been touched one month from now 18:16 < spevack> and target all of them for deletion 18:16 < JonRob> yeah, i'd +1 that 18:16 < quaid> deletion, no 18:16 < ricky> It'd be a very large list, but with some human checking, +1 18:16 < spevack> and then after another month, anything that hasn't still been touched, just put out to pasture 18:16 < jds2001> i also think that now that we have 'Random page' in MW, gardners can just go looking random places and see if stuff makes sense still 18:16 < spevack> quaid: not delete, but "set aside" 18:17 < quaid> put on a list 18:17 < quaid> we need to correlate with Apache logs 18:17 -!- themayor [n=jack at dsl081-200-011.nyc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:17 < spevack> ok, so that's a new task to add to our list. 18:17 < quaid> people read pages with errors that no one fixes :) 18:17 < quaid> [D[C[D[D[C 18:17 < spevack> Determining abandoned wiki pages, and Doing The Right Thing with them 18:17 < ianweller> http://pastebin.ca/1029072 is a list of the 100 hottest pages since the 20th on the wiki. 18:17 < quaid> sorry, net drop 18:17 < spevack> quaid: do you want to be the owner of that task, since you are our Wiki Gardener? 18:18 < quaid> spevack: yep 18:18 < spevack> quaid: excellent. 18:18 < spevack> thank you! 18:18 < spevack> ok, ianweller -- anything else on the wiki migration, or shall we move on? 18:18 < quaid> in terms of immediate to-do lists 18:18 < quaid> for the wiki migration 18:18 < jds2001> We should do what wikipedia does, IMO with pages targeted for deletion 18:18 < jds2001> or am I being to process heavy? 18:18 < quaid> I'll also work on the FedoraProject:Wiki_migration_to-do#Individual_folks_to-do_list 18:18 < ianweller> quaid brought this up... using the mediawiki style of NameSpaces: and such 18:18 < quaid> but need help from everyone to make it full 18:18 < quaid> let me make this a bit clearer 18:18 < ianweller> for example, moving wiki-specific help pages to Help: 18:19 < quaid> no matter what happens tomorrow 18:19 < quaid> if we do NOT have clear directions for individuals, 18:19 < quaid> it will be perceived as "FAIL" 18:19 < quaid> ppl can accept broken stuff, but they don't want to be in the cold 18:19 < quaid> so this is where the "common bugs" stuff comes in 18:19 < ricky> One of my concerns is updating docs. 18:19 -!- bpepple|lt [n=bpepple|@rrcs-70-62-4-89.central.biz.rr.com] has quit "Ex-Chat" 18:19 < ianweller> and, if we want to take it a step farther, moving things for certain projects into new namespaces.... Infrastructure:, Artwork:, and the like 18:19 < spevack> quaid: we need a simple list of "here's what to check when you first log into the new wiki" and "here's where to file your bugs" 18:19 < quaid> right 18:19 < spevack> and then we blast that out to blogs, fedora-announce, etc 18:19 < ricky> When we released FAS, there was a long period where new contributors were confused about where to find things. 18:20 < quaid> that is more important than much of the rest of what we've been discussing, IMO 18:20 < ianweller> quaid: i agree 18:20 < spevack> and ianweller and jds2001 have volunteered to handle that topic, just a few moments ago? But it's a very short timeframe to get it done at this point. 18:20 < quaid> OK, so I'll own making that the best it can be, but y'all need to help by dropping in as much raw content as I can handle; _anything_ a user needs to know or do should be in there somewhere 18:20 < jds2001> i've got no plans tonight :) 18:21 < quaid> spevack: well, they agreed to handle the #31 stuff, which is not the same thing per se 18:21 < ianweller> i've been editing the crap out of Help:Editing (linked from the edit box, near the bottom) 18:21 < quaid> some crossover, but mostly that turns in to a Migration masters list 18:21 < quaid> +1 on that 18:21 < jds2001> well, the ticket 31 stuff and other trac tickets 18:21 < spevack> understood 18:21 < quaid> Help:Editing is the old WikiEditing 18:21 < jds2001> speaknig of filing bugs.... 18:21 < quaid> so it continues to be our best place to point people looking for how-to 18:21 < jds2001> do we sedn them to infra trac 18:22 < quaid> with "WIKI" keyword 18:22 < jds2001> or should we make a new trac instance? 18:22 < spevack> quaid: well, i bet you could knock out the "simple individual todo list" in about an hour, right? :) 18:22 < spevack> we could make most of it right here. 18:22 < spevack> right now 18:22 < quaid> spevack: the simple, yes; but I'm sure we'll find more 18:22 < mmcgrath> jds2001: for what? 18:22 < spevack> quaid: is it useful for us all to just start listing stuff here, and then you can just pull it together? 18:23 * spevack doesn't want to throw work at people on their Memorial Day evening 18:23 -!- basilgohar [n=basilgoh at cpe-75-185-125-70.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:23 < jds2001> mmcgrath: wiki bugreporting for users 18:23 < mmcgrath> jds2001: no, we don't want to do that :) 18:23 < quaid> I'll take a vote from the floor if they want to write all that up here, or just post it to the wiki directly *cough* 18:23 < mmcgrath> they can file it in infra 18:23 < quaid> +1 to file it in infra, this is a short-lived effort in comparison 18:23 < jds2001> yep 18:23 < spevack> quaid: you want it all to live here -- https://fedoraproject.org/wikinew/FedoraProject:Wiki_migration_to-do -- right? 18:24 * jds2001 withdraws hairbrained suggestion 18:24 < spevack> under "individual folks to do list" 18:24 < quaid> spevack: how about if I work on it right now, then at the end of the meeting people can take a few minutes to add to it 18:24 < quaid> spevack: yep 18:24 < spevack> quaid: sounds good. 18:24 < spevack> quaid: give people something to comment on, that's always the best way :) 18:24 * quaid hugs MW edit-per-section 18:24 < spevack> ok, we're moving on... 18:24 < ianweller> ok 18:24 * spevack consults the Tasks List 18:24 < quaid> I almost can't wait to see this puppy under a real load :) 18:24 -!- bpepple|lt [n=bpepple|@rrcs-70-62-4-89.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:24 < spevack> get-fedora... Juan and Craig Thomas... either of you here? 18:25 < ricky> giarc and juank_prada 18:25 < quaid> Juan said he's out for a month? 18:25 < ricky> Seems not. 18:25 < JonRob> yeah 18:25 < JonRob> and i haven't heard from giarc - i thought he said he could make it 18:25 < spevack> I guess we'll just leave that for next week then. maybe we can grab girac for next week's meeting 18:25 < spevack> JonRob: we'll poke him this week. 18:25 < mmcgrath> quaid: the best part about real load with mw... we actually have MULTIPLE options as far as caching and scaling goes :) 18:25 < spevack> we'll set spins.fp.o aside for the moment as well... 18:26 < JonRob> yeah...my plan was to poke people on list for progress reports pre-meeting so even if they can't make it we can keep things ticking over 18:26 < quaid> mmcgrath: as opposed to "no options"? :) 18:26 < ricky> Heh, yup. 18:26 < mmcgrath> :) 18:26 < spevack> I'm looking at Websites Infrastructure -- Ricky working on a list of things that will help to separate the infrastructure of keeping the websites running from the people who are doing design, mockups, and web development? 18:26 < spevack> is that a good summary? 18:26 * spevack likes the general idea there... 18:26 < spevack> ricky: you got anything to say on this? 18:27 < ricky> I wonder how big of a problem it is that we're not being clear about where the sources of things are? 18:27 < spevack> dev, staging, production -- just like a Real Project :) 18:27 -!- daMaestro [n=jon at fedora/damaestro] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:27 < ricky> Because no volunteers have ever asked the list about it :-( 18:28 < spevack> well, the DomainsList page did a good job of that 18:28 -!- spoleeba [n=one at fedora/Jef] has quit "Leaving" 18:28 < quaid> sometimes we don't know what we don't know until we see the sum of what we do know 18:28 < spevack> I think that is crucial for getting new web development contributors. 18:29 < ricky> Yeah, making it as easy to help as possible 18:29 < quaid> esp. less technical folks :) 18:29 < spevack> I think the next step should be a simple tutorial -- pretend you want to make a small change to some page -- here's how you do it. 18:29 < spevack> do we have anything like that yet? 18:29 < ricky> Nope, and that's a good idea. 18:29 < ianweller> screencast? 18:29 < JonRob> haha was about to suggest that :p 18:29 < spevack> ianweller: i don't know if it's a screencast as much as 18:29 < ricky> Right now, we have genshi, kid, and fragment HTML files cast about. 18:29 < spevack> you check out 18:30 < spevack> you make your change 18:30 < spevack> you test locally 18:30 < spevack> you commit 18:30 < spevack> then... ??? 18:30 < spevack> and eventually production 18:30 < spevack> ok, is this a little task worth taking on? 18:30 < ricky> We should edit DomainsList to include contact informatino. 18:30 < ricky> **information 18:30 < ricky> Definitely 18:30 < spevack> ok, there's two tasks here that need owners 18:30 < quaid> question, ianweller can answer maybe: 18:30 < spevack> 1) contact informatino for DomainsList 18:31 * ricky can take 1) 18:31 < spevack> 2) "Becoming a Fedora Web Developer" tutorial. 18:31 * quaid actually takes his Question off meeting 18:31 < spevack> 2 shouldn't be crazy 18:31 < spevack> it should be just enough to get started 18:31 < spevack> and then feedback will fill in the gaps 18:31 * ricky invites everybody to gobby for #2 18:32 < spevack> ok, me steps away for a few minutes, but invites JonRob to discuss the next task -- New Look and Feel -- whenever we are ready for that topic. /me brb 18:32 < JonRob> ok, urmm...well did people see the conversation on list? 18:33 < JonRob> i think the basic plan of attack, and i think mairin is taking a lead in this 18:33 < JonRob> is to do some usability testing on the site 18:33 < ianweller> ah, yes 18:33 < JonRob> and figure out where we're going wrong, before putting together some improved mock-ups based on feedback 18:34 < JonRob> people happy with this? 18:34 < JonRob> and are people willing to volunteer to help with usability tests? 18:34 < JonRob> we're gonna attempt remoteness 18:34 < mmcgrath> I'll be much happier as more and more stuff comes in and people get involved more (woot!) 18:34 < mether> JonRob: asking in fedora-list would certainly bring in a lot more complaints than you could ever want 18:34 < JonRob> mether: haha! 18:35 < spevack> JonRob: sign me up for a usability test 18:35 < JonRob> it's not just people to be tested, but people to do testing too 18:35 < spevack> actually, i really like the fedora-list idea 18:35 < spevack> you'll get lots of complaints 18:35 < spevack> but probably a handful of people really willing to do something 18:35 < tw2113> which is actually what we want 18:35 -!- epkphoto [n=epkphoto at ip72-218-42-185.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:36 < jds2001> JonRob: sign me up for some usability study 18:36 < ianweller> i'll do some usability tests after this week's wiki switching headaches are over. however i'm not sure how good they'd be, since we're looking at 'new users', right? 18:36 < quaid> also we could set something up for each of the conferences we attend? 18:36 < jds2001> but not sure i'd be the best person 18:36 < epkphoto> sorry about that...a bit late 18:36 < JonRob> ianweller: not just new users, we wanna know aobut developers and all our targets 18:36 < ianweller> ah 18:36 < quaid> do we want this to be iterative? 18:36 < quaid> if so .... 18:36 < spevack> quaid: if stickster_afk and i have some time and remember it, we'll try to come up with some simple usability tests that people at LinuxTag can try 18:36 < ricky> epkphoto: Hey 18:37 < JonRob> spevack - that'd be cool! 18:37 < quaid> how about we work up at least a protocol if not a watching program that lets us give tests at confs? 18:37 < epkphoto> hi all 18:37 < ianweller> maybe do an app that tells you what to find, and then have them paste a link back in the app, with an option saying 'i didn't find it' 18:37 < quaid> then we can keep giving the same test 18:37 < JonRob> well, we kinda have that 18:37 < quaid> over the years and keep improving and stuff 18:37 * JonRob quickly looks for link 18:38 < JonRob> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00320.html 18:38 < JonRob> i think 18:38 < JonRob> near the end of that message 18:40 < JonRob> are people still around? 18:40 < spevack> ok, so what specific tasks do we have here? 18:40 < ricky> Yeah. 18:40 < JonRob> lol sorry 18:40 * ianweller is lurking 18:40 < spevack> (1) potential usability study at Linuxtag, depending on time 18:40 < spevack> (2) ...? 18:40 -!- ryanlerch [n=ryan at 203.34.177.232] has left #fedora-meeting [] 18:40 * JonRob fears a net drop 18:41 < tw2113> i'm mostly reading and trying to follow along 18:41 < ianweller> can we do something at FUDCon? not sure what demographics (experience-wise) we'll have 18:41 < quaid> 2) cook up a repeatable usability testing process, use it 18:41 < quaid> ianweller: yep 18:41 < quaid> ianweller: also the Summit is there, which widens the circle 18:42 < quaid> we could e.g. try to get something going at the RHT booth :) 18:42 < spevack> ianweller: that would be a great session for someone to lead at FUDCon -- hint, hint 18:42 < jds2001> we could do something at the fedora booth 18:42 < JonRob> quaid: do you not think that e-mail constitutes a repeatable test? 18:42 * ianweller shifts his eyes 18:42 * jds2001 is attending the summit and fudcon 18:42 < quaid> JonRob: got it, yes, +1 18:43 < quaid> maybe write it on the wiki and be sure it is a step-by-step for stupid people like me, max, and Paul 18:43 < JonRob> quaid: sure 18:43 < JonRob> i can cover that task if people'd like 18:44 < spevack> JonRob: sounds good! 18:44 * spevack consults the TaskList..... 18:44 < spevack> Licenses. This should be quick. either we've got an update or we don't, and wait another week. 18:45 < JonRob> urm...quaid you're upto date on this one!? 18:45 < spevack> what is it that we need license clarification on? 18:45 * spevack apologizes for having missed the previous meetings 18:45 < JonRob> spevack: websites code and content i think 18:45 < JonRob> primarily code though 18:46 < ricky> What is this blocking no? 18:46 < ricky> **on 18:46 * JonRob digs up another link 18:46 < ricky> All of that code was created recently enough that we still have instant contact with all of its creators. 18:47 < JonRob> ricky: well in that case we can surely turn to the board and ask for a recommendation? 18:47 < JonRob> i believe that was the conc reached last week 18:47 < ricky> Sure. 18:47 -!- smooge [n=smooge at int.smoogespace.com] has quit "-ENOCAFFEINE" 18:47 < JonRob> there's a thread on fab 18:47 < ricky> Recommendation, as in the type of license? 18:48 < JonRob> where basically it was decided that if we want to change license, we either need to change the code or have explicit permission 18:48 * quaid is back, sorry 18:48 < quaid> I don't see much confusion, realy 18:48 < quaid> we nee dpermissionk from all copyright holders 18:48 < quaid> is it worth it? 18:48 < quaid> I think so 18:49 < quaid> it improves on the Fedora as a "FLOSS infra in a box" 18:49 < ricky> So should we start identifying/asking? 18:49 < quaid> also, it may not be much of aa PITA 18:49 < quaid> let me ask ... 18:49 < ivazquez> Do we have a license yet? 18:49 < ricky> Or did we not get a license choice yet. 18:49 < ricky> **yet? 18:49 < quaid> folks wanted to ask legal, but I don't think we need to 18:49 < quaid> spot hasn't weighed in there, tho 18:50 < ricky> I wouldn't expect that we'd need to either 18:50 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi at c-76-19-171-76.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:50 < quaid> this is similar to what we went through with Docs relicensing, fwiw 18:50 < quaid> license choice ... do we want to have further discussion on list? 18:51 * quaid would vote for matching the rest of Infra, but knows it is a bit of a mix 18:51 < spevack> +1 to list... who's the Primary Owner? 18:51 < quaid> so whatever doesn't conflict with those so it is easiest to mix and match? 18:51 < quaid> JonRob asked originally ... 18:51 * spevack thinks that we have about 3 or 4 things on our Task List that can be knocked off in 1-2 weeks. 18:52 < quaid> but Infra might need to help to expose old commit logs, etc. 18:52 * JonRob volunteers somebody else, licensing is not really my thing! 18:52 * spevack can take it, but there won't be any progress this week, with LinuxTag in the forefront. 18:52 * quaid knows he doesn't have the time 18:53 < ricky> quaid: I think they're all public at git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git and cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/?root=web (or similar) 18:53 < spevack> JonRob: give it to me for now. 18:53 < JonRob> is that ok? 18:53 < spevack> yep 18:53 < JonRob> not just that licenses aren't my thing, but i have exams in less than a week 18:53 < quaid> ricky: yes, I think you are right; anything pre cvs.fp.org is (C) Red Hat anyway 18:53 < spevack> JonRob: no worries! 18:53 < JonRob> need to spend a lot of time in the library! 18:53 < spevack> there are a few things on the task list dealing with Sponsorship in the new Wiki world. 18:54 < spevack> anything here we need to discuss in this meeting? 18:54 < JonRob> yep, quaid is king of this :p 18:54 * spevack still doesn't quite get *what* we are sponsoring 18:54 * spevack notes that it is POURING RAIN here in Amsterdam, but still cool :) 18:55 < ricky> This is separate from Infrastructure sponsorship? 18:55 < ivazquez> Yeah, what is this sponsorship stuff about anyways? 18:55 < spevack> quaid: what is this Sponsorship and Mediawiki stuff? :) 18:55 * jds2001 wondering the same thing 18:55 < JonRob> lol the idea is to have each page owned/sponsored by a sig 18:55 < JonRob> or subproject 18:55 < ricky> Ahh. 18:55 < ianweller> (or an individual, i think) 18:56 < spevack> and the benefit of that is...? 18:56 < jds2001> does this take into account spoleba's idea 18:56 < quaid> sponsorship was the word we chose last week 18:56 < ricky> So somebody would commit to taking care of those pages? 18:56 < ivazquez> How is this recorded? 18:56 < quaid> since ownership was seend as scaring people away 18:56 < ianweller> i don't see how it would benefit. 18:56 < quaid> ivazquez: one way is in a comment block in the markup source, so it is there to see when editing 18:56 < quaid> ok, let's see ... 18:56 < quaid> can any of you who were not here last week 18:56 < ivazquez> It's so that we have somewhere to point when the wiki starts bitrotting. 18:56 < quaid> read the log from then? 18:56 < quaid> or I can just paste that part back in ... 18:57 < ianweller> i was here from last week, i still don't see the benefit :/ 18:57 < quaid> ok, then 18:57 * quaid gathers his brain cells for a new direction 18:57 < spevack> last week's log -- https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00268.html 18:57 < quaid> it's a lesson from other's with successful wikis 18:57 < quaid> pages that no one feels a sense responsibility for tend to rot 18:58 < quaid> it's a hard part of wikis that have no CMS workflow, page aging, etc. 18:58 < quaid> so the suggestion is to e.g. write a new module 18:58 < quaid> that let's us have a dbase of pages and which group is sponsoring them 18:58 < ivazquez> We should put it in the metadata somewhere. 18:58 < ricky> If we're doing groups, why not use namespaces + comments in the text? 18:58 < quaid> right, I don't know what the best method is 18:58 < ianweller> i think we can mashup some builtin MW tools. templates, categories, and special pages 18:59 < ivazquez> Presumably if it's in the metadata then we can query it. 18:59 * spevack wonders if the things we talked about earlier, which is just querying every month to see what pages weren't touched, can solve this problem in a less process-heavy way. My fear is that whatever you call it -- sponsorship, ownership -- people will feel like they can't just up and edit a page like Back In The Day. 18:59 < spevack> that's just my gut... but i'm only here to Drive The Meeting :) 19:00 * jds2001 thinks spevack is right on 19:00 * ianweller agrees 19:00 < quaid> ok, that is a legit concern 19:00 < ivazquez> In the worse case someone can send email to the sponsor. *shrug* 19:00 < quaid> that is why we are looking for ways to not heavily badge a page 19:00 < ianweller> we could write up other tools that check for rotting pages. 19:00 < quaid> but there is some value in making content look loved, such as having a SIG badge on the page 19:00 < ianweller> or, i think there are even Special: pages for that 19:00 < quaid> I had a specific suggestion las tweek, like ... 19:00 < jds2001> maybe sending mail to the last editor or somethign 19:00 < spevack> If the problem that we are trying to solve is Page Rot, then that's fine. 19:01 < spevack> there's ways to solve that. 19:01 < quaid> "You are welcome to edit this page. If you have any questions, it is sponsored by the Astronomy SIG." 19:01 < spevack> Are there other benefits to the Sponsorship of Pages idea aside from avoiding Page Rot? 19:01 < quaid> spevack: there is more here being solved 19:01 < quaid> yes 19:01 < JonRob> i really like the idea of having an easy point of contact for new editors 19:01 < quaid> * Give readers a sense that the page is real and not abandoned 19:01 < quaid> (without having to drag through the history and crap, since that is hidden more in MW) 19:01 * epkphoto likes quaid's suggested text 19:01 < spevack> at the bottom of each page -- "Got a question about something on this page? Email $FOO" 19:01 < JonRob> so they can see who owns/sponsors page, and then easily shout for hlep to someone who cares 19:01 < quaid> s/*/1./ 19:02 < quaid> 2. Make it clear who should be considered when editing a page; edits are a responsibility not a right 19:02 < quaid> 3. Grow the SIG identity, which might be a good reason to use SIG: namespaces 19:03 < quaid> 4. As JonRob said, make it clear where to go with questions about a page, etc. 19:03 < quaid> eol 19:03 < quaid> right now I think people fear editing a page because they _don't_ know who to ask about it 19:03 * JonRob used to be like this 19:03 < ivazquez> Is multiple sponsorship likely to be useful? 19:04 < quaid> many times people aren't aware that people watch page edits and cover their back 19:04 < quaid> folks paste edits in to emails to "announce" them, etc. 19:04 < ianweller> we can do this with a template. {{sponsoredby|websites}} could put the message at teh bottom of the page, and add a category like [[Category:Pages sponsored by Websites]] 19:04 < quaid> that stuff should be up front -- you are being lovingly watched 19:04 * ianweller says that we should push 'lovingly', 'you are being watched' tends to deter. 19:05 < quaid> well, something like that 19:05 < quaid> ' 19:05 < quaid> "Don't worry, dear, mother is watching to make sure you don't stumble." 19:05 < ricky> Heh. 19:05 < tw2113> we're all norman bates? 19:05 < tw2113> kidding 19:06 < spevack> ok, here's a proposal for a +1/-1 19:06 < epkphoto> "Leave this page nicer than you found it. The $SIG would thank you" 19:06 < spevack> We've been tracking edits to the wiki for a while now. 19:06 < quaid> tw2113: you know, I was thinking that in such a voice :) 19:06 < spevack> this month will be weird 19:06 < spevack> but we've established a pretty good track record 19:06 < spevack> around 1200 per month 19:07 < spevack> let's try whatever quaid thinks is best. 19:07 < spevack> we'll see how our edits are doing 2 months from now 19:07 < quaid> epkphoto: that is nice 19:07 < spevack> http://fedoraproject.org/maps/wiki-edits/ 19:07 < spevack> thoughts? 19:07 < spevack> epkphoto: +1 19:08 < ricky> +1 for epkphoto's 19:08 < quaid> spevack: I missed the proposal, was it, "Let's see how the edits are and consider page sponsorship at that point"? 19:08 < jds2001> epkphoto: +1 19:08 < epkphoto> hehe, thanks guys 19:08 < spevack> quaid: it's "let's do whatever sponsorship process quaid wants, and see what it does to the edit statistivcs we've been tracking after 2 months of it" 19:08 < quaid> ah, ok 19:08 < spevack> then re-evaluate 19:08 < ivazquez> +1 19:08 < ricky> Sounds good. 19:09 < ianweller> works for me, +1 19:09 < quaid> this ties in to the question of the day: 19:09 < quaid> are we having people fix status quo _or_ are we having them move to a new scheme right away? 19:09 < ianweller> explain 19:09 < quaid> ok 19:10 < quaid> it's one thing to have people fix page formatting and think about moving UserName to User:fasname 19:10 < quaid> another idea is to have people start moving, grouping, namespacing, categorizing, and sponsoring from tomorrow forward. 19:10 * JonRob must leave now 19:10 < quaid> we could possibly do the latter in stages, but that would be ultimately more work 19:10 < mmcgrath> quaid: I go back and forth about that type of question a lot. Do it ALL at once, or do some of it in steps. 19:10 < mmcgrath> I never figured out what'd work best :-/ 19:10 < ivazquez> We don't even have the sponsorship scheme hashed out yet. 19:10 < quaid> mmcgrath: 'zact 19:10 < ianweller> we don't have an schemes for anything hashed out quite yet either 19:11 < quaid> ivazquez: right, my orig thought was to work on it 19:11 * ianweller notes this could be a long night :/ 19:11 < ricky> We should have some guidelines for organization. 19:11 < quaid> so best is, fix status quo 19:11 < quaid> and begin to get people to roll over to new changes as we go 19:11 < JonRob> (spevack, could you throw me the log tomor? i'll minute it up asap) 19:11 < ricky> Definitely, but we'll have to get those guidelies. 19:11 < quaid> that will take longer, but we'll learn iteratively instead of under constant firedrill 19:11 < ivazquez> If status quo is pretty much all we currently have, then we should roll with it. 19:11 * tw2113 noticed that /wikinew/User:FAS2 doesn't actually show the page, but /wikinew/FAS2 does 19:11 < ianweller> this week, fix status quo, next week, make organization guidelines, following week, listen to feedback and implement? 19:11 < spevack> JonRob: no problem 19:12 < quaid> ivazquez: we could do some stuff; e.g. Docs:Security_Guide instead of Security_Guide as we have it now 19:12 < JonRob> spevack, thanks 19:12 * JonRob waves goodbye 19:12 < ricky> JonRob: See you 19:12 < ianweller> JonRob: bye 19:12 -!- JonRob [n=jon at 88-109-167-15.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #fedora-meeting [] 19:12 < quaid> ivazquez: yeah, like that +1 19:12 < quaid> seems sanest 19:12 < quaid> not "best in the best world of all best worlds" but good enough 19:12 < ricky> tw2113: Show what page? 19:12 < tw2113> the user page 19:12 < quaid> tw2113: right 19:12 < quaid> tw2113: you need to move it 19:12 < ricky> Ohh, where FAS2 is the username. 19:13 < tw2113> i did 19:13 < quaid> oh 19:13 < ivazquez> Works fine here. 19:13 < quaid> only User:kwade and User:Kwade work for me 19:14 < quaid> tw2113: did you move it to FAS2 or User:FAS2 ? 19:14 < tw2113> https://fedoraproject.org/wikinew/User:Tw2113, i see "A WikiName is a word that uses capitalized words. WikiName's automagically become hyperlinks to the WikiName's page. See also HelpForBeginners, "Arbitrary Page Names"." 19:14 < tw2113> probably just FAS2 19:14 < quaid> yeah, User: is a "special page" 19:14 < ianweller> no, User: is a namespace 19:14 < quaid> sorry, right 19:14 < tw2113> https://fedoraproject.org/wikinew/Tw2113 <-----what i thought was right 19:14 < ricky> tw2113: Wait, that appeared without any action from you? 19:15 < ianweller> maybe this should be dealt with outside meeting? 19:15 * spevack needs to go, since it's 1:15 AM and I have to make a plane tomorrow. Can you guys finish up this last topic? 19:15 < ricky> tw2113: Moving it now. 19:15 < ricky> (https://fedoraproject.org/wikinew/User:Tw2113) 19:15 < quaid> I think we did 19:16 * spevack isn't trying to kill the discussion, just saying that I need to head out :) 19:16 < quaid> ianweller's scheme ran with it 19:16 < quaid> this week, fix status quo, next week, make organization guidelines, 19:16 < quaid> following week, listen to feedback and implement? 19:16 < quaid> this week, fix status quo, next week, make organization guidelines, 19:16 < quaid> following week, listen to feedback and implement? 19:16 < quaid> sorry 19:16 < tw2113> thanks 19:16 < ianweller> is that the current issue to vote on? 19:16 < spevack> sounds reasonable to me 19:16 < ricky> I think we already all agree :-) 19:16 < quaid> +1 to that scheme 19:16 < quaid> k 19:16 < ivazquez> Indeed. 19:17 < quaid> I have other things that don't need a meeting so ... 19:17 * ricky suggests another gobby document for that. 19:17 < ianweller> +1 19:17 < spevack> Alright, well we'll officially adjourn (and I'll say goodnight) and thank you all for your time, especially those of you for whom today is a holiday 19:17 < ivazquez> Alright, let's close it up then. 19:17 < mmcgrath> Side note about confusion.... 19:18 < mmcgrath> quaid: Would you mind working with me tomorrow morning (a little prior to noon) to come up with a good final note to send when the final switch is done? 19:18 < mmcgrath> it'd be good to have some eyes on it. 19:18 < quaid> mmcgrath: +1 19:18 < ricky> Oh, while we have websites people around, I have an unrelated question (which has probably been asked to death before) 19:19 < ricky> Have we ever contacted fedora.org and if so, what kind of response have we gotten? 19:19 < spevack> they aren't interested in selling :) 19:19 < quaid> I'll send another mid-update to f-devel-announce so people know we intend to give them next word tomorrow in the nighttime UTC 19:19 < ricky> Ah, OK. Just making sure, thanks. 19:19 < spevack> but they know that if they ever are, Red Hat will make them an offer 19:19 * ianweller +1 for closing meeting, i think everything else can be dealt with elsewhere 19:20 < spevack> ok all -- i'll catch you from LinuxTag 19:20 < quaid> note to self -- do domain search first ... 19:21 < ricky> quaid: Hehe. 19:21 < daMaestro> spevack, cya 19:21 < ricky> spevack: Have fun! 19:22 < ianweller> so is there something we're talking about right now? /me is lost 19:22 < quaid> we finished the meeting 19:22 < ianweller> ok. 19:22 < quaid> 19:22 < quaid> and should return to somewhere to let me ask more stupid questions :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed May 28 23:29:00 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:29:00 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Actual question] In-Reply-To: References: <1212013187.4081.69.camel@ignacio.lan> <1212015318.2855.4.camel@alpha> Message-ID: <1212017340.4081.72.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 18:01 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2008, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > Is Fedora only for geeks or is it for "normal" people? I think we know what we want the answer to be, but are we > > there yet? I want my wife to use Fedora, and she's intelligent, but I'm not sure I would categorize her as a geek, > > either. > > > > I think there's a happy medium - the world isn't geeks vs. non-geeks. But I think we can move more in the non-geek > > direction still... > > > > According to a comment in a recent blog post: > > http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/16918.html?thread=47894#t47894 > > Fedora is for enthusiasts. I think there's plenty of people that could *become* FOSS enthusiasts, if only they knew the issues surrounding it (or even that it exists, for that matter). -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Wed May 28 23:53:36 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:53:36 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Actual question] In-Reply-To: <1212017340.4081.72.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1212013187.4081.69.camel@ignacio.lan> <1212015318.2855.4.camel@alpha> <1212017340.4081.72.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1212018816.2855.11.camel@alpha> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 19:29 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 18:01 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Wed, 28 May 2008, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > Is Fedora only for geeks or is it for "normal" people? I think we know what we want the answer to be, but are we > > > there yet? I want my wife to use Fedora, and she's intelligent, but I'm not sure I would categorize her as a geek, > > > either. > > > > > > I think there's a happy medium - the world isn't geeks vs. non-geeks. But I think we can move more in the non-geek > > > direction still... > > > > > > > According to a comment in a recent blog post: > > > > http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/16918.html?thread=47894#t47894 > > > > Fedora is for enthusiasts. > > I think there's plenty of people that could *become* FOSS enthusiasts, > if only they knew the issues surrounding it (or even that it exists, for > that matter). > I agree. I'm not sure that Paul's statement (and far be it from me to speak for him) meant that certain accommodations for non-"enthusiasts" shouldn't be considered. An enthusiast need not be a technically-minded person either. They can just be someone that sees the advantage of free software in that they don't have to do a lot of EULA clicking whenever they want to use software... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwilliams at renditionsoftware.com Wed May 28 23:44:32 2008 From: kwilliams at renditionsoftware.com (Kay Williams) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:44:32 -0700 Subject: broken artwork page Message-ID: <000801c8c11c$c7004d70$5500e850$@com> Hello, The wiki page below seems to be broken. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview#Artwork_seen_during_in stallation Instead of showing inline images, it is showing wiki syntax, e.g. [[Image:Artwork_ThemingOverview_||<^ |7> [[Image:Artwork_ThemingOverview_07GDM.png] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || Login Screen. || Thanks, Kay From ryanlerch at gmail.com Thu May 29 00:27:33 2008 From: ryanlerch at gmail.com (ryan lerch) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:27:33 +1000 Subject: broken artwork page In-Reply-To: <000801c8c11c$c7004d70$5500e850$@com> References: <000801c8c11c$c7004d70$5500e850$@com> Message-ID: <671a617b0805281727m57e6d30auebd745a44ed8c77@mail.gmail.com> Hi kay! Thanks for the heads-up... We recently changed wiki software and a lot of the art-team's pages are not formatted correctly. We are in the process of fixing the markup. Cheers, ryanlerch On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Kay Williams < kwilliams at renditionsoftware.com> wrote: > Hello, > > The wiki page below seems to be broken. > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview#Artwork_seen_during_in > stallation > > Instead of showing inline images, it is showing wiki syntax, e.g. > > [[Image:Artwork_ThemingOverview_||<^ |7> > [[Image:Artwork_ThemingOverview_07GDM.png] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> > Description: || Login Screen. || > > Thanks, > Kay > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu May 29 00:28:19 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:28:19 -0400 Subject: broken artwork page In-Reply-To: <000801c8c11c$c7004d70$5500e850$@com> References: <000801c8c11c$c7004d70$5500e850$@com> Message-ID: <1212020899.4081.78.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:44 -0700, Kay Williams wrote: > Hello, > > The wiki page below seems to be broken. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview#Artwork_seen_during_in > stallation > > Instead of showing inline images, it is showing wiki syntax, e.g. > > [[Image:Artwork_ThemingOverview_||<^ |7> > [[Image:Artwork_ThemingOverview_07GDM.png] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> > Description: || Login Screen. || > > Thanks, > Kay Thank you for your concern. Your message has been forwarded to the appropriate people. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu May 29 02:55:50 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:55:50 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd Message-ID: Hi all, I have continued to adjust the look of the planet page, and am looking for comments? http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html (only the first 10-15 posts have 'heads' that are in the correct position, relative to the header...too many for me to cut-n-paste each...I think we can see what is meant ) What needs work? Thanks for the feed back, -- Craig From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu May 29 03:04:17 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:04:17 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <483E1D31.7050704@fedoraproject.org> Craig Thomas wrote: > Hi all, > > I have continued to adjust the look of the planet page, and am looking > for comments? > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html > > (only the first 10-15 posts have 'heads' that are in the correct > position, relative to the header...too many for me to cut-n-paste > each...I think we can see what is meant ) > > What needs work? Wow, this looks great! :) Great work! I have two points of critique: - I think the body text for the blog posts is too small. On my 1024x768 thinkpad it looks like 6 or 7 pt so it's quite a bit difficult to read. This should be simple to adjust. - I also think that the vertical blue bar with the dates on it is unbalanced; it should probably run down along the right side of the page. ~m From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu May 29 03:08:51 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:08:51 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1212030531.4081.84.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 22:55 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html > What needs work? Why is the text so tiny? And boy is it ever slow to scroll in FF2... -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu May 29 03:12:28 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:12:28 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080529031228.GC3890@Max> On 2008-05-28 10:55:50 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html > > (only the first 10-15 posts have 'heads' that are in the correct > position, relative to the header...too many for me to cut-n-paste > each...I think we can see what is meant ) > > What needs work? Hm, perhaps we could get some special styles on the people list in the sidebar to reduce the amount of wrapping. Also, could we do away with the weird tab for showing the dates of posts? Could we just have a large date on top of every set of posts? One final thing that I don't like about the current style is the bottom link to the post (without any label). Perhaps we could have a comments link there instead? If you want, I can get the actual planet templates for you to play around with (just make a test configuration file with only one or two blogs). Would you like that? Looking like a great improvement so far, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Thu May 29 03:16:46 2008 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:16:46 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1212031006.3563.5.camel@cutter> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 22:55 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > Hi all, > > I have continued to adjust the look of the planet page, and am looking > for comments? > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html > > (only the first 10-15 posts have 'heads' that are in the correct > position, relative to the header...too many for me to cut-n-paste > each...I think we can see what is meant ) > > What needs work? Is this a complete template change or just the css with the current template? If you need the templates to work on I can make sure you have access to a copy of them. -sv From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 29 03:19:55 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:19:55 -0500 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1212031195.12095.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 22:55 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > Hi all, > > I have continued to adjust the look of the planet page, and am looking > for comments? > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html > > (only the first 10-15 posts have 'heads' that are in the correct > position, relative to the header...too many for me to cut-n-paste > each...I think we can see what is meant ) > > What needs work? > > Thanks for the feed back, Great work... i really like it! One suggestion would be to make the Syndication nav bar smaller and with smaller margin/padding on each link. -- Juan Camilo Prada From ylynfatt at flowja.com Thu May 29 05:51:13 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (Yannick Lyn Fatt) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:51:13 -0500 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1212040273.9325.8.camel@yannick-desktop> Hey Craig, Good Job! I like the new look of the planet and especially the fact that it's consistent with the fedoraproject.org design. I too think the font is a bit too small though. Also not too sure I like the text wrapping around the member pictures in this case. Probably keep the image almost in a column to itself with the body beside it, not wrapping around it. Just my $0.02. Keep up the good work. - Yannick On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 22:55 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > Hi all, > > I have continued to adjust the look of the planet page, and am looking > for comments? > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet/planet.html > > (only the first 10-15 posts have 'heads' that are in the correct > position, relative to the header...too many for me to cut-n-paste > each...I think we can see what is meant ) > > What needs work? > > Thanks for the feed back, > > -- > Craig > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu May 29 06:09:17 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:09:17 +0300 Subject: SVG files in the wiki In-Reply-To: References: <483D0C8E.9020508@nicubunu.ro> <483D5DEE.8040205@fedoraproject.org> <483D79CA.9020608@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <483E488D.3070205@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > > Regardless of trademark issues, we have tried being able to render SVGs > automatically and it failed spetacularly. I imagine we will try again > soon. -- ian Please keep us posted when succeeding, that would help a lot in reducing the number of attachments uploaded to a page (no more one SVG source, one large PNG and a thumbnail PNG, as we used to to with Moin). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu at nicubunu.ro Thu May 29 06:30:35 2008 From: nicu at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:30:35 +0300 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: <1212040273.9325.8.camel@yannick-desktop> References: <1212040273.9325.8.camel@yannick-desktop> Message-ID: <483E4D8B.80900@nicubunu.ro> Yannick Lyn Fatt wrote: > Hey Craig, > > Good Job! I like the new look of the planet and especially the fact that > it's consistent with the fedoraproject.org design. I too think the font > is a bit too small though. Also not too sure I like the text wrapping > around the member pictures in this case. Probably keep the image almost > in a column to itself with the body beside it, not wrapping around it. +2 As everyone else already complained, the text is too small. And I do not like the wrapping around hackergotchis. It beaks the formatting. Either use a separate column for those images (it may be even on the right hand) or put it on the post title. And a third, smaller, complaint: the list of feeds in the left column, does not have to use two lines for each person. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com From dev at nigelj.com Thu May 29 08:07:51 2008 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:07:51 +1200 Subject: Call For Testers - Elections Application Message-ID: <483E6457.7010505@nigelj.com> Hi everyone, With Fedora 9 out the door we hit a very busy time for elections, the previous system was, well lets just say, not optimal. So I accepted the goal of creating an application by our post-release election season that would integrate well with FAS and would allow a different method of voting, Range Voting. If your not familiar with Range Voting check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_voting the essentials however is that you rank candidates from 0<-># of candidates, if you don't like them, just rank them 0. In the future, the application will not only allow the Board and Steering Committees to hold elections, it will (hopefully) become available to SIGs and Steering Committees for any time of poll/call to vote. This is where you all come in, it's impossible for a small group of people to find every possible mistake or bug in ANY item of software, so the more people we can get in to test it and report bugs/issues/thoughts the better! All I ask is 10-20 minutes of your time, whenever your free over the couple of days to test and provide feedback. Instructions: 1) You'll need an account on the test instance of FAS at http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ (PLEASE) do not use your normal password and you don't need to do CLA etc (I've removed that requirement in the elections app for now). 2) Please direct your browser to https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/elections/ and test away! 3) Try voting etc, make sure that you *can* view the results at https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/elections/results/fedora but can't view the results at https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/elections/results/president Notes: * I'm aware the UI is absolutely awful, there is already a ticket open for this (https://fedorahosted.org/elections/ticket/4) please feel free to add items there. * Any errors you encounter that are 'unexpected' to you, please file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/elections/newticket setting Milestone to 'Release 0.1.0' with full reproduction steps, and the time it occurred (TZ=UTC date) * Any other feedback can be directed to the elections-devel list (elections-devel at lists.fedorahosted.org) After 5am UTC on the 1st June both elections will end and the 'results' should be public and hopefully we'll have a decent election app! Thanks a lot & Happy Testing, Nigel Jones p.s. Sorry to those that fall asleep during my e-mail - I nearly did too! p.s.s. Thanks must be given to Toshio, Ricky, Luca and Mike who have all assisted in this release From roopesh.majeti at gmail.com Thu May 29 09:22:05 2008 From: roopesh.majeti at gmail.com (roopesh majeti) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:52:05 +0530 Subject: Call For Testers - Elections Application In-Reply-To: <483E6457.7010505@nigelj.com> References: <483E6457.7010505@nigelj.com> Message-ID: <599059470805290222g2d0d5d2emdcb07a26e56ceae1@mail.gmail.com> I tried just now and following are my thoughts : 1) The first page is good. But a clear heading like "Vote for President " will be good rather than "Real President Nominee". 2) When the user wants to know the info about a Nominee, once he clicks the link "info", it is better to have a pop-up, rather than redirecting the whole page. 3) A non-uniformity is there in the Nominee's information. It is true that the control directs us to the user homepage. But for this President Nominee stuff, it is good to develope a generic page having information populated regarding that Nominee. 4) Why the site is re-directed to cnn.com/politics when the user request for more information on the President Ranking page ? 5) After confirming the Vote, the user is redirected to the initial home page. But the following appears at the bottom. "Build time: 0.115s, Page size: 2.23KB" It is truely required to display to the end-user ? 6) When tried to view the results, by clicking "Community", iam facing this problem. 500 Internal error Overall, it looks fine. -Roopesh On 5/29/08, Nigel Jones wrote: > Hi everyone, > > With Fedora 9 out the door we hit a very busy time for elections, the > previous system was, well lets just say, not optimal. > > So I accepted the goal of creating an application by our post-release > election season that would integrate well with FAS and would allow a > different method of voting, Range Voting. > > If your not familiar with Range Voting check out > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_voting the essentials however is that > you rank candidates from 0<-># of candidates, if you don't like them, just > rank them 0. > > In the future, the application will not only allow the Board and Steering > Committees to hold elections, it will (hopefully) become available to SIGs > and Steering Committees for any time of poll/call to vote. > > This is where you all come in, it's impossible for a small group of people > to find every possible mistake or bug in ANY item of software, so the more > people we can get in to test it and report bugs/issues/thoughts the better! > > All I ask is 10-20 minutes of your time, whenever your free over the couple > of days to test and provide feedback. > > Instructions: > 1) You'll need an account on the test instance of FAS at > http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ (PLEASE) do not use your > normal password and you don't need to do CLA etc (I've removed that > requirement in the elections app for now). > 2) Please direct your browser to > https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/elections/ and test away! > 3) Try voting etc, make sure that you *can* view the results at > https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/elections/results/fedora but can't > view the results at > https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/elections/results/president > > Notes: > * I'm aware the UI is absolutely awful, there is already a ticket open for > this (https://fedorahosted.org/elections/ticket/4) please feel free to add > items there. > * Any errors you encounter that are 'unexpected' to you, please file a > ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/elections/newticket setting Milestone > to 'Release 0.1.0' with full reproduction steps, and the time it occurred > (TZ=UTC date) > * Any other feedback can be directed to the elections-devel list ( > elections-devel at lists.fedorahosted.org) > > After 5am UTC on the 1st June both elections will end and the 'results' > should be public and hopefully we'll have a decent election app! > > Thanks a lot & Happy Testing, > > Nigel Jones > > p.s. Sorry to those that fall asleep during my e-mail - I nearly did too! > p.s.s. Thanks must be given to Toshio, Ricky, Luca and Mike who have all > assisted in this release > > -- > fedora-devel-list mailing list > fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dev at nigelj.com Thu May 29 09:39:15 2008 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:39:15 +1200 Subject: Call For Testers - Elections Application In-Reply-To: <599059470805290222g2d0d5d2emdcb07a26e56ceae1@mail.gmail.com> References: <483E6457.7010505@nigelj.com> <599059470805290222g2d0d5d2emdcb07a26e56ceae1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483E79C3.5050101@nigelj.com> roopesh majeti wrote: > I tried just now and following are my thoughts : > > 1) The first page is good. But a clear heading like "Vote for > President " will be good rather than "Real President Nominee". This depends on the election name in the DB, for real elections it'll be something like "Fedora Board F-9 Election" (or similar). > > 2) When the user wants to know the info about a Nominee, once he > clicks the link "info", it is better to have a pop-up, rather than > redirecting the whole page. > > 3) A non-uniformity is there in the Nominee's information. It is true > that the control directs us to the user homepage. But for this > President Nominee stuff, it is good to develope a generic page having > information populated regarding that Nominee. > > 4) Why the site is re-directed to cnn.com/politics > when the user request for more information > on the President Ranking page ? The CNN Politics bit was maybe a the worse part of the joke but I was kinda refering to the US Primaries etc (i'll change this in a minute), the info links for 'real' elections will goto the Wiki page(s) with the candidate information, until someone higher up in the food chain says they want it done a different way, I'm going to stick with this. An early mock up on this concept looked absolutely disgusting from a UI POV > > 5) After confirming the Vote, the user is redirected to the initial > home page. But the following appears at the bottom. > "Build time: 0.115s, Page size: 2.23KB" > It is truely required to display to the end-user ? That'll be disabled on the final implementation, just wanted it there so I could go every now and then to make sure it was happy. > > 6) When tried to view the results, by clicking "Community", iam facing > this problem. > 500 Internal error I'll keep an eye on this, I can't see an immediate reason for the 500 error though. > > > Overall, it looks fine. Thanks, - Nigel > > -Roopesh > > On 5/29/08, *Nigel Jones* > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > With Fedora 9 out the door we hit a very busy time for elections, > the previous system was, well lets just say, not optimal. > > So I accepted the goal of creating an application by our > post-release election season that would integrate well with FAS > and would allow a different method of voting, Range Voting. > > If your not familiar with Range Voting check out > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_voting the essentials however > is that you rank candidates from 0<-># of candidates, if you don't > like them, just rank them 0. > > In the future, the application will not only allow the Board and > Steering Committees to hold elections, it will (hopefully) become > available to SIGs and Steering Committees for any time of > poll/call to vote. > > This is where you all come in, it's impossible for a small group > of people to find every possible mistake or bug in ANY item of > software, so the more people we can get in to test it and report > bugs/issues/thoughts the better! > > All I ask is 10-20 minutes of your time, whenever your free over > the couple of days to test and provide feedback. > > Instructions: > 1) You'll need an account on the test instance of FAS at > http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ (PLEASE) do not > use your normal password and you don't need to do CLA etc (I've > removed that requirement in the elections app for now). > 2) Please direct your browser to > https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/elections/ and test away! > 3) Try voting etc, make sure that you *can* view the results at > https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/elections/results/fedora > but can't view the results at > https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/elections/results/president > > Notes: > * I'm aware the UI is absolutely awful, there is already a ticket > open for this (https://fedorahosted.org/elections/ticket/4) please > feel free to add items there. > * Any errors you encounter that are 'unexpected' to you, please > file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/elections/newticket > setting Milestone to 'Release 0.1.0' with full reproduction steps, > and the time it occurred (TZ=UTC date) > * Any other feedback can be directed to the elections-devel list > (elections-devel at lists.fedorahosted.org > ) > > After 5am UTC on the 1st June both elections will end and the > 'results' should be public and hopefully we'll have a decent > election app! > > Thanks a lot & Happy Testing, > > Nigel Jones > > p.s. Sorry to those that fall asleep during my e-mail - I nearly > did too! > p.s.s. Thanks must be given to Toshio, Ricky, Luca and Mike who > have all assisted in this release > > -- > fedora-devel-list mailing list > fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > > From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu May 29 14:05:37 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:05:37 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: <1212031006.3563.5.camel@cutter> References: <1212031006.3563.5.camel@cutter> Message-ID: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:16 PM, seth vidal wrote: > Is this a complete template change or just the css with the current > template? A small change to the templates, some image adjustments and new css. If memory serves, the following is just new css: http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet.older/planet.html > > If you need the templates to work on I can make sure you have access to > a copy of them. That would be great for markup changes. -- Craig > -sv > > > From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu May 29 14:30:52 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:30:52 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: <483E4D8B.80900@nicubunu.ro> References: <1212040273.9325.8.camel@yannick-desktop> <483E4D8B.80900@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: This is a quick list of things I plan to do based on the comments : -the text is too small. -move the hackergotchis either to a separate column or put it on the post title -the list of feeds in the left column should not use two lines for each person and perhaps adjust the margin and padding -ambiguous link to actual blog posts -css oddness around an auto-scroll, ( could be causing FF2 scrolling slowness ) And finally a question: is the blue column wrong or just in the wrong spot? Thank you all for your comments, -- Craig From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Thu May 29 18:38:22 2008 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:38:22 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: References: <1212031006.3563.5.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <1212086302.3716.19.camel@cutter> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:05 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:16 PM, seth vidal wrote: > > Is this a complete template change or just the css with the current > > template? > > A small change to the templates, some image adjustments and new css. > > If memory serves, the following is just new css: > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet.older/planet.html > > > > > If you need the templates to work on I can make sure you have access to > > a copy of them. > > That would be great for markup changes. > Here you go: http://skvidal.fedorapeople.org/misc/planet_templates/ obviously you should only need to change the index.html.tmpl file. also in your css do you think this feature could be integrated?: ?http://live.gnome.org/PlanetGnome thanks, -sv From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Thu May 29 18:55:03 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:55:03 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: <1212086302.3716.19.camel@cutter> References: <1212031006.3563.5.camel@cutter> <1212086302.3716.19.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <1212087303.5565.43.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:38 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:05 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:16 PM, seth vidal wrote: > > > Is this a complete template change or just the css with the current > > > template? > > > > A small change to the templates, some image adjustments and new css. > > > > If memory serves, the following is just new css: > > > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/planet.older/planet.html > > > > > > > > If you need the templates to work on I can make sure you have access to > > > a copy of them. > > > > That would be great for markup changes. > > > > Here you go: > > http://skvidal.fedorapeople.org/misc/planet_templates/ > > obviously you should only need to change the index.html.tmpl file. > > also in your css do you think this feature could be integrated?: > > ?http://live.gnome.org/PlanetGnome > > thanks, > -sv > > (oops, I only sent this to seth before) Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but wouldn't it be nicer if the actual feed we subscribed to allowed us to exclude people? For example, I read pfpo via Liferea, so I don't visit the actual web page with my browser that often. Maybe I want to have a customized feed where I can choose which feeds I want to see, or more usefully, which feeds I want to exclude. I remember a while back there was some hubbub about foreign-language blogs appearing in pfpo, and some people didn't like that. Well, instead of making it an issue of xenophobia, we can just make it a preference by excluding blogs in our customized subscription, which could be tied to our Fedora Account. Yes, this obviously will complicate the application a bit, but I am not familiar with the software used for pfpo - maybe there is a feature that enables this that already exists? By the way, I'm referring to subscribed feeds, and not syndicated ones. So, like, my personal blog is syndicated on pfpo, but my subscription would be to all of the blogs that are syndicated by pfpo. So, maybe the URL I subscribe to would be http://planet.fedoraproject.org/customfeeds/basilgohar, which, based on my preferences, include or exclude certain blogs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britchie at pobox.com Thu May 29 15:27:37 2008 From: britchie at pobox.com (Bradford Ritchie) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:27:37 -0400 Subject: Can't view Fedora Tours slideshow Message-ID: Hi, I was trying to look at the Fedora tours which appear to be a series of screenshots . However, there is no "slideshow" option yet for Fedora 9, and viewing the screenshots individually is cumbersome because each link goes first to a thumbnail then to a full-size image, and one must back out to the links page each time in order to get to the next slide. Could this be made so that each of the full-size images link back and forth to each other directly? This may be what's meant by "migration-in-progress", but even the tours for older versions work this way. Also, the Fedora 8 Tour page has a "Slide Show" linkbut the link doesn't appear to work on either Firefox or IE. Maybe it's my PC, but it's not clear what is wrong from the page that is presented. Thanks. -- Brad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoliva at redhat.com Thu May 29 19:58:00 2008 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:58:00 -0300 Subject: Call For Testers - Elections Application In-Reply-To: <483E6457.7010505@nigelj.com> (Nigel Jones's message of "Thu\, 29 May 2008 20\:07\:51 +1200") References: <483E6457.7010505@nigelj.com> Message-ID: On May 29, 2008, Nigel Jones wrote: > So I accepted the goal of creating an application by our > post-release election season that would integrate well with FAS and > would allow a different method of voting, Range Voting. Have you considered basing your work on CIVS? http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html I've got a version stripped off of all the voting-by-e-mail aspects, which you might be interested in. Search for 'civs' in my home page (URL in the .sig). -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ?S? Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Thu May 29 21:03:34 2008 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:03:34 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: <1212087303.5565.43.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> References: <1212031006.3563.5.camel@cutter> <1212086302.3716.19.camel@cutter> <1212087303.5565.43.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> Message-ID: <1212095014.3716.44.camel@cutter> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:55 -0400, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > > Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but wouldn't it be nicer if the > actual feed we subscribed to allowed us to exclude people? For > example, I read pfpo via Liferea, so I don't visit the actual web page > with my browser that often. Maybe I want to have a customized feed > where I can choose which feeds I want to see, or more usefully, which > feeds I want to exclude. I remember a while back there was some > hubbub about foreign-language blogs appearing in pfpo, and some people > didn't like that. Well, instead of making it an issue of xenophobia, > we can just make it a preference by excluding blogs in our customized > subscription, which could be tied to our Fedora Account. > > Yes, this obviously will complicate the application a bit, but I am > not familiar with the software used for pfpo - maybe there is a > feature that enables this that already exists? > > By the way, I'm referring to subscribed feeds, and not syndicated > ones. So, like, my personal blog is syndicated on pfpo, but my > subscription would be to all of the blogs that are syndicated by pfpo. > So, maybe the URL I subscribe to would be > http://planet.fedoraproject.org/customfeeds/basilgohar, which, based > on my preferences, include or exclude certain blogs. Generating the feeds like that based on custom outputs is not, that I've seen, something that venus can do, not for the rss feeds. The problem is we'd be generating a different feed per user which makes it a bit hurky. Alternatively, we'd have to do it via a cgi of some kind which is just going to be VERY VERY SLOW and resource intensive. I'll look into it but I'm not particularly hopeful about it. -sv From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Thu May 29 21:15:07 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:15:07 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: <1212095014.3716.44.camel@cutter> References: <1212031006.3563.5.camel@cutter> <1212086302.3716.19.camel@cutter> <1212087303.5565.43.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> <1212095014.3716.44.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <1212095707.5565.52.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 17:03 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:55 -0400, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > > > > > Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but wouldn't it be nicer if the > > actual feed we subscribed to allowed us to exclude people? For > > example, I read pfpo via Liferea, so I don't visit the actual web page > > with my browser that often. Maybe I want to have a customized feed > > where I can choose which feeds I want to see, or more usefully, which > > feeds I want to exclude. I remember a while back there was some > > hubbub about foreign-language blogs appearing in pfpo, and some people > > didn't like that. Well, instead of making it an issue of xenophobia, > > we can just make it a preference by excluding blogs in our customized > > subscription, which could be tied to our Fedora Account. > > > > Yes, this obviously will complicate the application a bit, but I am > > not familiar with the software used for pfpo - maybe there is a > > feature that enables this that already exists? > > > > By the way, I'm referring to subscribed feeds, and not syndicated > > ones. So, like, my personal blog is syndicated on pfpo, but my > > subscription would be to all of the blogs that are syndicated by pfpo. > > So, maybe the URL I subscribe to would be > > http://planet.fedoraproject.org/customfeeds/basilgohar, which, based > > on my preferences, include or exclude certain blogs. > > Generating the feeds like that based on custom outputs is not, that I've > seen, something that venus can do, not for the rss feeds. The problem is > we'd be generating a different feed per user which makes it a bit hurky. > Alternatively, we'd have to do it via a cgi of some kind which is just > going to be VERY VERY SLOW and resource intensive. > > I'll look into it but I'm not particularly hopeful about it. > > -sv I'm certain that it would require the site to be more dynamic than it is now, and thus, more CPU intensive. If I'm the only one that wants this feature, then yeah, we can put it on the backburner. So, is venus the name of the Planet software that's being used? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craigt at fedoraproject.org Thu May 29 23:46:07 2008 From: craigt at fedoraproject.org (Craig Thomas) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:46:07 -0400 Subject: Can't view Fedora Tours slideshow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/5/29 Bradford Ritchie : > Hi, > > I was trying to look at the Fedora tours which appear to be a series of > screenshots. However, there is no "slideshow" option yet for Fedora 9, and > viewing the screenshots individually is cumbersome because each link goes > first to a thumbnail then to a full-size image, and one must back out to the > links page each time in order to get to the next slide. Could this be made > so that each of the full-size images link back and forth to each other > directly? This may be what's meant by "migration-in-progress", but even the > tours for older versions work this way. > > Also, the Fedora 8 Tour page has a "Slide Show" link but the link doesn't > appear to work on either Firefox or IE. Maybe it's my PC, but it's not > clear what is wrong from the page that is presented. Hello Brad, Yes, this is what is meant by migration in progress :-} our wiki migration has completely broken the tours, sorry for the inconvenience. We do have our old wiki up while we continue our migration: http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold/Tours/Fedora9/001_Install_Boot?action=print&media=projection ( note that some links may or may not point to the new/old wiki url ...) Thank you for your e-mail, -- Craig Thomas From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu May 29 23:50:36 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:50:36 -0400 Subject: wiki tours Message-ID: Hi All, Our wiki tours are busted in the new wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora9 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora8 Mediawiki does not support slideshows. I understand from ianweller that there has been some talk about moving these 'off wiki' or perhaps some other solution? What do we think about a solution to this issue? who 'owns' the tours? I am not certain how many users have tried the tours, but I would think there have been plenty and we should either board it up or fix it. Thanks, -- Craig From a.badger at gmail.com Fri May 30 00:32:26 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:32:26 -0700 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: <1212095707.5565.52.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> References: <1212031006.3563.5.camel@cutter> <1212086302.3716.19.camel@cutter> <1212087303.5565.43.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> <1212095014.3716.44.camel@cutter> <1212095707.5565.52.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> Message-ID: <483F4B1A.6020707@gmail.com> Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > I'm certain that it would require the site to be more dynamic than it is > now, and thus, more CPU intensive. If I'm the only one that wants this > feature, then yeah, we can put it on the backburner. > > So, is venus the name of the Planet software that's being used? > I think it would be a useful thing for people but it's a pretty big change from what we have now. The current planet is just an agregator. Making it more dynamic begins to cross into the realm of online feed reader. (With the qualification that this particular feed reader might be used more for its own RSS feed than for actual reading on the web.) More than having extra CPU cycles, we'd need to figure out what that kind of planet.fp.o would offer that something like google reader does not and also who would code and maintain such an app. Note: this could fit within the goals of myfedora but it's not something anyone's currently working on there. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Fri May 30 00:42:11 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:42:11 -0400 Subject: common theme for domain list cont'd In-Reply-To: <1212086302.3716.19.camel@cutter> References: <1212031006.3563.5.camel@cutter> <1212086302.3716.19.camel@cutter> Message-ID: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:38 PM, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:05 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:16 PM, seth vidal wrote: > also in your css do you think this feature could be integrated?: > > ?http://live.gnome.org/PlanetGnome Yes. -- Craig From ylynfatt at flowja.com Fri May 30 03:40:26 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (ylynfatt) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:40:26 -0500 Subject: wiki tours Message-ID: <483f772a.31d.4974.1415654828@flowja.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Thomas" To: fedora-websites-list Subject: wiki tours Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:50:36 -0400 >Hi All, > >Our wiki tours are busted in the new wiki: > >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora9 > >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora8 > >Mediawiki does not support slideshows. > >I understand from ianweller that there has been some talk >about moving these 'off wiki' or perhaps some other >solution? > >What do we think about a solution to this issue? who 'owns' >the tours? > >I am not certain how many users have tried the tours, but I >would think there have been plenty and we should either >board it up or fix it. > >Thanks, > >-- >Craig Would any of these MediaWiki extensions help? http://gallery.menalto.com/node/33148 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Slideshow Or does anyone know of any other extensions? If not, then would it be difficult to create or own MediaWiki extension to do this? Or would that be too much of a hassle? - Yannick From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri May 30 07:04:41 2008 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:04:41 -0700 Subject: Can't view Fedora Tours slideshow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369bce3b0805300004g7be6c013oe8d73e55f12d3282@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/29 Bradford Ritchie : > Hi, > > I was trying to look at the Fedora tours which appear to be a series of > screenshots. However, there is no "slideshow" option yet for Fedora 9, and > viewing the screenshots individually is cumbersome because each link goes > first to a thumbnail then to a full-size image, and one must back out to the > links page each time in order to get to the next slide. Could this be made > so that each of the full-size images link back and forth to each other > directly? This may be what's meant by "migration-in-progress", but even the > tours for older versions work this way. > > Also, the Fedora 8 Tour page has a "Slide Show" link but the link doesn't > appear to work on either Firefox or IE. Maybe it's my PC, but it's not > clear what is wrong from the page that is presented. > > Thanks. > -- Brad Hi Brad, I just replaced the list of screenshots with a simple gallery which is a feature in MediaWiki. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora9/Screenshots Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri May 30 07:08:12 2008 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:08:12 -0700 Subject: wiki tours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369bce3b0805300008m7fa24f39t5f750712137810c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: > Hi All, > > Our wiki tours are busted in the new wiki: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora9 > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora8 > > Mediawiki does not support slideshows. > > I understand from ianweller that there has been some talk about moving > these 'off wiki' or perhaps some other solution? > > What do we think about a solution to this issue? who 'owns' the tours? > > I am not certain how many users have tried the tours, but I would > think there have been plenty and we should either board it up or fix > it. > > Thanks, > > -- > Craig Hi Craig, I just replaced the list of screenshots with a simple gallery which is a feature in MediaWiki. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora9/Screenshots Regards, ps. I'll get to F8 gallery when I have more time. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From dae at miamidade.gov Fri May 30 12:36:40 2008 From: dae at miamidade.gov (Eastham, David (PA)) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:36:40 -0400 Subject: Phishing Message-ID: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EA44@s0141166.miamidade.gov> http://ww2.halifax-online.co.uk.fzkgoo6.com/mem_bin/formslogin.aspsource =halifaxcoukHOME/ on your server is being used as a phishing site. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Fri May 30 13:09:34 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:09:34 -0400 Subject: Phishing In-Reply-To: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EA44@s0141166.miamidade.gov> References: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EA44@s0141166.miamidade.gov> Message-ID: <1212152974.4081.144.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:36 -0400, Eastham, David (PA) wrote: > http://ww2.halifax-online.co.uk.fzkgoo6.com/mem_bin/formslogin.aspsource=halifaxcoukHOME/ on your server is being used as a phishing site. What you're seeing is a test page included with the Fedora Linux distribution; we don't actually run that server. You can do a WHOIS query in order to find out who is actually responsible for that server. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mostafa at daneshvar.org.uk Fri May 30 13:27:45 2008 From: mostafa at daneshvar.org.uk (Mostafa Daneshvar) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 17:57:45 +0430 Subject: Phishing In-Reply-To: <1212152974.4081.144.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EA44@s0141166.miamidade.gov> <1212152974.4081.144.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <200805301757.51187.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> On Jumee 10 Khordad 1387 17:39:34 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:36 -0400, Eastham, David (PA) wrote: > > http://ww2.halifax-online.co.uk.fzkgoo6.com/mem_bin/formslogin.aspsource= > >halifaxcoukHOME/ on your server is being used as a phishing site. > > What you're seeing is a test page included with the Fedora Linux > distribution; we don't actually run that server. You can do a WHOIS > query in order to find out who is actually responsible for that server. I think in the next release we should remove the test page, because it redirects people wrongly to the fedora site. Any Idea? -- Mostafa Baloch http://www.mdaneshvar.ir -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri May 30 13:50:12 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:50:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Phishing In-Reply-To: <200805301757.51187.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> References: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EA44@s0141166.miamidade.gov> <1212152974.4081.144.camel@ignacio.lan> <200805301757.51187.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 May 2008, Mostafa Daneshvar wrote: > On Jumee 10 Khordad 1387 17:39:34 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:36 -0400, Eastham, David (PA) wrote: > > > http://ww2.halifax-online.co.uk.fzkgoo6.com/mem_bin/formslogin.aspsource= > > >halifaxcoukHOME/ on your server is being used as a phishing site. > > > > What you're seeing is a test page included with the Fedora Linux > > distribution; we don't actually run that server. You can do a WHOIS > > query in order to find out who is actually responsible for that server. > > I think in the next release we should remove the test page, because it > redirects people wrongly to the fedora site. > Any Idea? > What should be there in its place? -Mike From mostafa at daneshvar.org.uk Fri May 30 13:59:34 2008 From: mostafa at daneshvar.org.uk (Mostafa Daneshvar) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 18:29:34 +0430 Subject: Phishing In-Reply-To: References: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EA44@s0141166.miamidade.gov> <200805301757.51187.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> Message-ID: <200805301829.41459.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> On Jumee 10 Khordad 1387 18:20:12 Mike McGrath wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2008, Mostafa Daneshvar wrote: > > On Jumee 10 Khordad 1387 17:39:34 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:36 -0400, Eastham, David (PA) wrote: > > > > http://ww2.halifax-online.co.uk.fzkgoo6.com/mem_bin/formslogin.aspsou > > > >rce= halifaxcoukHOME/ on your server is being used as a phishing site. > > > > > > What you're seeing is a test page included with the Fedora Linux > > > distribution; we don't actually run that server. You can do a WHOIS > > > query in order to find out who is actually responsible for that server. > > > > I think in the next release we should remove the test page, because it > > redirects people wrongly to the fedora site. > > Any Idea? > > What should be there in its place? > > -Mike I think a dynamic file like .php isn't bad. This file should list all files and folders in '/var/www/html' with proper links. -- Mostafa Baloch http://www.mdaneshvar.ir -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Fri May 30 14:16:07 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:16:07 -0400 Subject: Phishing In-Reply-To: <200805301829.41459.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> References: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EA44@s0141166.miamidade.gov> <200805301757.51187.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> <200805301829.41459.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> Message-ID: <1212156967.13597.0.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 18:29 +0430, Mostafa Daneshvar wrote: > On Jumee 10 Khordad 1387 18:20:12 Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Fri, 30 May 2008, Mostafa Daneshvar wrote: > > > On Jumee 10 Khordad 1387 17:39:34 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:36 -0400, Eastham, David (PA) wrote: > > > > > http://ww2.halifax-online.co.uk.fzkgoo6.com/mem_bin/formslogin.aspsou > > > > >rce= halifaxcoukHOME/ on your server is being used as a phishing site. > > > > > > > > What you're seeing is a test page included with the Fedora Linux > > > > distribution; we don't actually run that server. You can do a WHOIS > > > > query in order to find out who is actually responsible for that server. > > > > > > I think in the next release we should remove the test page, because it > > > redirects people wrongly to the fedora site. > > > Any Idea? > > > > What should be there in its place? > > > > -Mike > > I think a dynamic file like .php isn't bad. This file should list all files > and folders in '/var/www/html' with proper links. > That would mean that anytime an HTTP server is installed, PHP would have to be installed as well. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gfidente at redhat.com Fri May 30 14:23:44 2008 From: gfidente at redhat.com (Giulio Fidente) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:23:44 +0200 Subject: Phishing In-Reply-To: <1212156967.13597.0.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> References: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EA44@s0141166.miamidade.gov> <200805301757.51187.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> <200805301829.41459.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> <1212156967.13597.0.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> Message-ID: <48400DF0.9090803@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 18:29 +0430, Mostafa Daneshvar wrote: >> I think a dynamic file like .php isn't bad. This file should list all files >> and folders in '/var/www/html' with proper links. >> > > That would mean that anytime an HTTP server is installed, PHP would have > to be installed as well. > > and if it's just to get the links, you don't need of php ... httpd does it already for you -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhADe8ACgkQUSr9JAjXM7pGOwCeJbSLipYOI5kRmEZqjqr55c8n tx0AnAy82ASB6QJGVYm/RnuL00EjrgMp =4nHt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Fri May 30 14:37:42 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:37:42 -0400 Subject: Phishing In-Reply-To: <48400DF0.9090803@redhat.com> References: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EA44@s0141166.miamidade.gov> <200805301757.51187.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> <200805301829.41459.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> <1212156967.13597.0.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> <48400DF0.9090803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1212158262.13597.3.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 16:23 +0200, Giulio Fidente wrote: > Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 18:29 +0430, Mostafa Daneshvar wrote: > >> I think a dynamic file like .php isn't bad. This file should list all files > >> and folders in '/var/www/html' with proper links. > >> > > > > That would mean that anytime an HTTP server is installed, PHP would have > > to be installed as well. > > > > > and if it's just to get the links, you don't need of php ... httpd does > it already for you The default setup, however, is that there is no index.(html|php) present, so it shows the default installation script. A change to httpd.conf would need to be made to first allow directory listings by default, and then to not display the localized default page for /var/www/html. But I think this discussion isn't for this list...right? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Fri May 30 15:20:19 2008 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:20:19 -0400 Subject: wiki tours In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0805300008m7fa24f39t5f750712137810c@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0805300008m7fa24f39t5f750712137810c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Thomas Chung wrote: > Hi Craig, > I just replaced the list of screenshots with a simple gallery which is > a feature in MediaWiki. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora9/Screenshots Thank you Thomas, This is certainly a large improvement. Do you think this will work as a long term solution? if so we need to add some prev/next buttons or links so user's don't need to return to the thumbnails. Thanks, -- Craig From dae at miamidade.gov Fri May 30 15:21:35 2008 From: dae at miamidade.gov (Eastham, David (PA)) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400 Subject: Phishing In-Reply-To: <1212152974.4081.144.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EB6D@s0141166.miamidade.gov> Thank you -----Original Message----- From: Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams [mailto:ivazqueznet at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:10 AM To: Eastham, David (PA) Cc: webmaster at fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Phishing On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:36 -0400, Eastham, David (PA) wrote: > http://ww2.halifax-online.co.uk.fzkgoo6.com/mem_bin/formslogin.aspsource =halifaxcoukHOME/ on your server is being used as a phishing site. What you're seeing is a test page included with the Fedora Linux distribution; we don't actually run that server. You can do a WHOIS query in order to find out who is actually responsible for that server. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams From ianweller at gmail.com Fri May 30 16:23:20 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:23:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: wiki tours In-Reply-To: References: <369bce3b0805300008m7fa24f39t5f750712137810c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 May 2008, Craig Thomas wrote: > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Thomas Chung wrote: >> Hi Craig, >> I just replaced the list of screenshots with a simple gallery which is >> a feature in MediaWiki. > > Do you think this will work as a long term solution? if so we need to > add some prev/next buttons or links so user's don't need to return to > the thumbnails. > I personally think it'll work. I didn't think of doing it this way. -- ian From jonstanley at gmail.com Fri May 30 16:57:07 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:57:07 -0400 Subject: Phishing In-Reply-To: <1212158262.13597.3.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> References: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EA44@s0141166.miamidade.gov> <200805301757.51187.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> <200805301829.41459.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> <1212156967.13597.0.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> <48400DF0.9090803@redhat.com> <1212158262.13597.3.camel@escapdv01.ESC.local> Message-ID: 2008/5/30 Basil Mohamed Gohar : > > The default setup, however, is that there is no index.(html|php) present, so > it shows the default installation script. A change to httpd.conf would need > to be made to first allow directory listings by default, and then to not > display the localized default page for /var/www/html. Directory indexes are allowed by default. However, there's configuration in welcome.conf to display the proper test page if the index file does not exist. On every webserver I set up, one of the first things that I do is to remove the welcome.conf. I haven't read the page included in welcome.conf in a long time, but I do know that the default upstream Apache one says "Don't contact Apache about this, we're not responsible for the contents". If the Fedora one had similar wording, in big bold letters, that *might* help (though I'm sure that the ASF gets their fair share of these, too). > But I think this > discussion isn't for this list...right? Yeah, maybe move it to f-devel. From pemboa at gmail.com Fri May 30 17:05:20 2008 From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:05:20 -0500 Subject: Phishing In-Reply-To: <200805301757.51187.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> References: <872FBB1DEBEE704AB079F44CBB9330FB0508EA44@s0141166.miamidade.gov> <1212152974.4081.144.camel@ignacio.lan> <200805301757.51187.mostafa@daneshvar.org.uk> Message-ID: <16de708d0805301005l4d46688ep6a831bb579a8d1f4@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/30 Mostafa Daneshvar : > On Jumee 10 Khordad 1387 17:39:34 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: >> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:36 -0400, Eastham, David (PA) wrote: >> > http://ww2.halifax-online.co.uk.fzkgoo6.com/mem_bin/formslogin.aspsource= >> >halifaxcoukHOME/ on your server is being used as a phishing site. >> >> What you're seeing is a test page included with the Fedora Linux >> distribution; we don't actually run that server. You can do a WHOIS >> query in order to find out who is actually responsible for that server. > > I think in the next release we should remove the test page, because it > redirects people wrongly to the fedora site. > Any Idea? I don't think we are asking too much that people read. I think we should simply stop answering these emails when the person obvious is capable of comprehending English, but failed to read the page. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) From brentw at attentionplus.com Fri May 30 17:45:23 2008 From: brentw at attentionplus.com (Brent Wong) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:45:23 -1000 Subject: YumUpgradeFaq Message-ID: <023301c8c27c$efab3fd0$0b01a8c0@attentionplus.com> Hi, I noticed just recently some of the html tags had changed and in turn removed this section: === Fedora Core 3 -> Fedora Core 4 === Thanks, Brent Wong IT Systems Assistant Manager Attention Plus Care 1580 Makaloa St. Ste 1060 Honolulu, HI 96814 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swamy_lp2004 at yahoo.com Fri May 30 17:59:45 2008 From: swamy_lp2004 at yahoo.com (swamy rs swamy) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Problem in instalation Message-ID: <603283.83889.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sir my name is Swamy R S from india.i'm trying to instal fedora 8 but it started to give a problem when instalation completes, it ask reboot after rebooting it will come upto wel come screen with forward option in that stage my computer become hang keyboard and mouse not work.my system configuration is mother board: intel d102 chipset processor :dual core 3.2Mz ram :512mb logitch mouse and keyboard. and i'm using 160 gb hard disk. Regard's Swamy .R .S -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donaldcompany at gmail.com Fri May 30 18:31:47 2008 From: donaldcompany at gmail.com (Donald Morrison) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:31:47 -0700 Subject: Urgent Order Message-ID: Hello, My name is Donald Morrison and will like to order a tractor to my new company here and will like to know your products so that i can make my selection with their prices.I will also want to know if you accept online check where i give you my bank information and you make the transaction?I hope to hear from you soon. Best Regards, Donald. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hamzy at us.ibm.com Fri May 30 23:03:22 2008 From: hamzy at us.ibm.com (Mark Hamzy) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 18:03:22 -0500 Subject: Problem logging in Message-ID: Logging into: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Anaconda got me this: (See attached file: FedoraError.png) Mark Common Information Model/Web-Based Enterprise Management at http://www.openpegasus.org/ Take a look at the Linux Omni Printer Driver Framework at http://omniprint.sourceforge.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FedoraError.png Type: image/png Size: 94084 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ylynfatt at flowja.com Sat May 31 00:20:01 2008 From: ylynfatt at flowja.com (Yannick Lyn Fatt) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:20:01 -0500 Subject: wiki tours In-Reply-To: References: <369bce3b0805300008m7fa24f39t5f750712137810c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1212193201.6359.3.camel@yannick-desktop> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 11:20 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Thomas Chung wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > I just replaced the list of screenshots with a simple gallery which is > > a feature in MediaWiki. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora9/Screenshots > > Thank you Thomas, > > This is certainly a large improvement. > > Do you think this will work as a long term solution? if so we need to > add some prev/next buttons or links so user's don't need to return to > the thumbnails. > > Thanks, > > -- > Craig > Thanks Thomas. I agree that this is a good improvement. I think it can work, but, as Craig said, we'd probably need to add prev/next links to it, if possible. - Yannick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat May 31 00:22:59 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:22:59 -0400 Subject: Urgent Order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1212193379.4081.168.camel@ignacio.lan> Argh. Disregard. I missed the huge To header. /me goes off and sits in the corner -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat May 31 00:24:59 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:24:59 -0400 Subject: Problem in instalation In-Reply-To: <603283.83889.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <603283.83889.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1212193500.4081.170.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 10:59 -0700, swamy rs swamy wrote: > Sir my name is Swamy R S from india.i'm trying to instal fedora 8 but > it started to give a problem when instalation completes, it ask reboot > after rebooting it will come upto wel come screen with forward option > in that stage my computer become hang keyboard and mouse not work.my > system configuration is > mother board: intel d102 chipset > processor :dual core 3.2Mz > ram :512mb > logitch mouse and keyboard. and i'm using 160 gb hard disk. > > > Regard's > Swamy .R .S The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to Fedora's websites. For end-user Fedora support, please refer to the help resources described here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat May 31 00:30:26 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:30:26 -0400 Subject: YumUpgradeFaq In-Reply-To: <023301c8c27c$efab3fd0$0b01a8c0@attentionplus.com> References: <023301c8c27c$efab3fd0$0b01a8c0@attentionplus.com> Message-ID: <1212193826.4081.174.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 07:45 -1000, Brent Wong wrote: > Hi, I noticed just recently some of the html tags had changed and in > turn removed this section: > === Fedora Core 3 -> Fedora Core 4 === Uh... does anyone know how he did it? I'm not seeing an entry in the history tab for it, in either /wiki/ or /wikiold/... -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dtimms at iinet.net.au Sat May 31 01:29:44 2008 From: dtimms at iinet.net.au (David Timms) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 11:29:44 +1000 Subject: Text for legal, trademark is covered by blue band Message-ID: <4840AA08.9050400@iinet.net.au> I noticed that in my normal web browsing setup, where firefox is set to use about 2/3rds of the 1024x768 screen, that bottom blue band half covers the Legal, trademark guidelines link text. However, widening the web browser window doesn't help the text either be fully overlaid on the blue band, nor above or below the blue band. Narrowing the web browser, forces the copyright etc text to begin to cover the blue band part, forcing a larger white background under the blue band, and the legal | trademark g bits become readable, although ugly. Makes it somewhat difficult to read the text. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FedoraPackageDatabase.narrow_window.png Type: image/png Size: 73795 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FedoraPackageDatabase.legal_trademark.text_issue.png Type: image/png Size: 78864 bytes Desc: not available URL: From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Sat May 31 02:15:38 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:15:38 -0400 Subject: Mailing list "Reply-To" default to list? Message-ID: <1212200138.2914.4.camel@alpha> I've noticed that the Red Hat mailing lists do not default to filling the Reply-To field with the address of the list, but rather, replies go to the sender. The obvious consequence of this is that we either have to manually edit our To: field in our mailer or we hit 'reply-all" and consequently, people get duplicate messages. I know one of the problems with a Reply-To to the list is that automatic replies might trigger e-mail storms, but I think most modern mailing list managers handle this. Has this already been discussed to death? --Basil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat May 31 02:48:49 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:48:49 -0400 Subject: Mailing list "Reply-To" default to list? In-Reply-To: <1212200138.2914.4.camel@alpha> References: <1212200138.2914.4.camel@alpha> Message-ID: <1212202129.455.5.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 22:15 -0400, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > Has this already been discussed to death? It has. Use your MUA's "Reply to list" feature. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org Sat May 31 02:54:38 2008 From: abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:54:38 -0400 Subject: Mailing list "Reply-To" default to list? In-Reply-To: <1212202129.455.5.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1212200138.2914.4.camel@alpha> <1212202129.455.5.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1212202483.2914.6.camel@alpha> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 22:48 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 22:15 -0400, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > > Has this already been discussed to death? > > It has. Use your MUA's "Reply to list" feature. > Thanks! It seems like that'll work (Ctrl-L in Evolution). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat May 31 03:41:53 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:41:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Problem logging in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd made some auth changes today that, during a window, could have caused this. If you clear your cookies (or even not) can you reliably get that error? -Mike On Fri, 30 May 2008, Mark Hamzy wrote: > > Logging into: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Anaconda > > got me this: > > (See attached file: FedoraError.png) > > Mark > > Common Information Model/Web-Based Enterprise Management at http://www.openpegasus.org/ > Take a look at the Linux Omni Printer Driver Framework at http://omniprint.sourceforge.net/ > > > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat May 31 11:09:45 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 12:09:45 +0100 Subject: Meeting Minutes 2008-05-26 Message-ID: <507738ef0805310409p65a7b4b6te0d0991149d48eb7@mail.gmail.com> Get them while it's hot! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-05-26 Sorry it took me a while, but they're there :) Best, Jon