From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 15:06:42 2008
From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:06:42 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> One of the important topics that came out of our sparsely attended Websites
> meeting last night was that the freeze for all websites content related F10
> is 3 weeks prior to the release.  Therefore, we should make it our goal to
> have everything finished and approved on our November 3 meeting.
>
> Things that need to be done:
>
> (1) Text on the front page of fedoraproject.org
>
> (2) Artwork for different places on our website.
>
> (3) (MOST IMPORTANT) The get-fedora page, with all of the updates and
> suggestions that have been discussed since the F9 release

I had been collaborating with Juan Prada on a draft of one of his
ideas prior to Fudcon.  I know there were other ideas floating around
and that some usability testing has happened since then.

We also, as a group, had a goal of 'one click to download' Fedora,
besides the general improvement to get-fedora.

I beleive the following threads are were our progress slowed to it's
current state:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00094.html

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00032.html

and

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00053.html

the .drawing/attached pdf in mo's post is of particular interest as it
is a very good idea for the get-fedora page.

--
Craig


Also, jprada's idea:

http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora

and our draft implementation:

http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora



From mspevack at redhat.com  Wed Oct  1 19:59:45 2008
From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:59:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Craig Thomas wrote:

> and our draft implementation:
>
> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora

Ok, people, it's time to speak up.  Craing and Juank have done a great 
job bringing us this far (thank you both), and get-fedora is the SINGLE 
MOST IMPORTANT page that people will visit in the first week or two of 
F10.

I think this is a good direction to take the page, since it begins to 
solve the "too many choices and I'm confused" problem.  In my opinion, 
the place where the most work still needs to be done is in figuring out 
EXACTLY what the text needs to be for each of these options, and getting 
those ready for translation.

--Max



From smooge at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 21:31:59 2008
From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:31:59 -0600
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
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On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Craig Thomas wrote:
>
>> and our draft implementation:
>>
>> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora
>
> Ok, people, it's time to speak up.  Craing and Juank have done a great job
> bringing us this far (thank you both), and get-fedora is the SINGLE MOST
> IMPORTANT page that people will visit in the first week or two of F10.
>
> I think this is a good direction to take the page, since it begins to solve
> the "too many choices and I'm confused" problem.  In my opinion, the place
> where the most work still needs to be done is in figuring out EXACTLY what
> the text needs to be for each of these options, and getting those ready for
> translation.
>

Ok I really like it. It acts like its an 'application' with moving
widgets without using flash or some other item. I would love to have
my website like that. The only issue I have is that the right column
is completely jumbled with the news articles overlaying/mixing with
Fedora Spins.



-- 
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"



From pcfe at redhat.com  Thu Oct  2 12:56:03 2008
From: pcfe at redhat.com (Patrick C. F. Ernzer)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:56:03 +0300
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
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Hello,

On 2008-10-01 18:06, Craig Thomas wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
[...]
>> (3) (MOST IMPORTANT) The get-fedora page, with all of the updates and
>> suggestions that have been discussed since the F9 release
[...]
> and our draft implementation:
> 
> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora

Very nice work. A few comments.

  - displays fine in links but the 'Get Fedora' step itself
    does not seem to work (reloads page for me).

  - while mouse over text highlights the buttons nicely, only clicking
    the select button does the selct. can we have the whole test area
    select the option?

  - In keeping with the KISS principle, I would reduce the
    explanation text under architectures a bit.
    Suggestion
    32 bit PC:
      Intel (except Core 2 family),
      AMD (except 64 or x2 dual-core),
      VIA C4,
      Apple (2007 and later not Power... family models).

    64 bit PC:
      Intel Core 2 family
      AMD 64 family and x2 dual-core family

    PowerPC
      Apple (pre 2006 models, will have Power... in their name)
      PlayStation 3
(the text on the Apple hardware still needs some shortening, as 2006 was
a transition year there is no clear date we can give. But the rule of
thumb is if it is a PowerSomething (PowerMac, PoweBook etc) its a PPC)

RU

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From gfidente at redhat.com  Thu Oct  2 13:13:38 2008
From: gfidente at redhat.com (Giulio Fidente)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:13:38 +0200
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Patrick C. F. Ernzer wrote:
>> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora
> 
> Very nice work. A few comments.

very nice ... really!

my 2cents are just about the description of the "live" spin, I think it
should explain in someway better what a live spin is.

For example, instead of: "It combines the best of breed software
packages that a typical home user would use that fits into a CD." we
could write something like "It permits you to run Fedora and all the
packages that a typical home user would use, even without installing it!"

Giulio
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From duffy at fedoraproject.org  Thu Oct  2 13:48:04 2008
From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:48:04 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
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Patrick C. F. Ernzer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On 2008-10-01 18:06, Craig Thomas wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com>
>> wrote:
> [...]
>>> (3) (MOST IMPORTANT) The get-fedora page, with all of the updates
>>> and suggestions that have been discussed since the F9 release
> [...]
>> and our draft implementation:
>> 
>> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora

The solution we had in the mockup (that this doesn't seem to be
following) was to just offer 32-bit live desktop by default and other
arches are hidden under a 'more options' link.

Most consumer machines, especially now that Apple has gone with intel
chips, can run x86. If you have no idea of your machine's architecture
(and I am betting most folks who want to try Fedora for the first time
do not) x86 is a very safe bet. If you do know what your machine's arch
is, and it's not x86, you are more than capable to click one more link
to get x86_64 or ppc.

This page is just too busy, IMHO. There is too much text, and it asks
too many questions.

What our plan had been before when we discussed this, was to offer the
Fedora live desktop spin x86 with one click.

~m



From stickster at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 15:25:46 2008
From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:25:46 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
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On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 09:59:45PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Craig Thomas wrote:
>
>> and our draft implementation:
>>
>> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora
>
> Ok, people, it's time to speak up.  Craing and Juank have done a great  
> job bringing us this far (thank you both), and get-fedora is the SINGLE  
> MOST IMPORTANT page that people will visit in the first week or two of  
> F10.
>
> I think this is a good direction to take the page, since it begins to  
> solve the "too many choices and I'm confused" problem.  In my opinion,  
> the place where the most work still needs to be done is in figuring out  
> EXACTLY what the text needs to be for each of these options, and getting  
> those ready for translation.

The minor problems I see -- and these really are minor -- include:

* Text rewrites to make the text easier to translate.

"Step 1: What type of computer do you have?"
"Step 2: What type of media do you prefer?"
"Step 3: How do you prefer to download?"

And then hide the final message completely until the third step is
completed.  Only then, show a heading-sized link that says "Click here
to get Fedora."

* Need fewer (ideally, *no*) exclamation points

They don't match the Fedora communication style and are generally bad
for translations since in many languages they mean an imperative, or a
command.  We don't want to shout at, or speak down to, our users.

* The right bar is crowded and looks jumbled and off-theme

But it could be left out entirely of the finished product until we
have a better design sense of how we want to implement more content on
the site.  If that work is currently underway, though, simply make
this part of the "issues to be settled" list.

As a Docs guy and a writer wannabe, I'm happy to help with other text
suggestions.  How about these?

Step 1:
--------
"32-bit PC: Works on all Intel, AMD, VIA C4, and Apple MacBook Pro."

"64-bit PC: Works only on Intel Core 2 Duo, Centrino Core 2 Duo, Xeon,
AMD Athlon64/X2, Sempron64/X2, and Duron64."

(PowerPC looks good.)

Step 2: 
--------
"DVD Installation media: This DVD is a large download that includes a
wide variety of software.  You cannot run Fedora directly from the
DVD.  This choice is good for users who already know they want to
install Fedora, and want flexibility and choice."

"Desktop Live media: This disc is a smaller download, with a preset
software configuration.  You can run Fedora directly from this image
on CD or a USB key.  This choice is good for beginners or users who
want a portable Fedora environment."

"KDE Live media: Similar to the Desktop Live media, except it
showcases KDE software.  This choice is good for KDE fans."

"Want a Custom spin?  Click here to choose from a variety of other
available media for specialized needs and interests."

Step 3:
--------
"Direct download: Download media directly from a location near you.
This option works better for some users behind a firewall."

"Torrent: Download media using [[BitTorrent software]], which also
guarantees accuracy.  This option works well for most users,
especially in the first month after release."

** The [[BitTorrent software]] text should be a direct link to:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download/BitTorrent

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From duffy at fedoraproject.org  Thu Oct  2 15:44:27 2008
From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:44:27 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
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M?ir?n Duffy wrote:
> Patrick C. F. Ernzer wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> On 2008-10-01 18:06, Craig Thomas wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> (3) (MOST IMPORTANT) The get-fedora page, with all of the updates
>>>> and suggestions that have been discussed since the F9 release
>> [...]
>>> and our draft implementation:
>>>
>>> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora
> 
> The solution we had in the mockup (that this doesn't seem to be
> following) was to just offer 32-bit live desktop by default and other
> arches are hidden under a 'more options' link.
> 
> Most consumer machines, especially now that Apple has gone with intel
> chips, can run x86. If you have no idea of your machine's architecture
> (and I am betting most folks who want to try Fedora for the first time
> do not) x86 is a very safe bet. If you do know what your machine's arch
> is, and it's not x86, you are more than capable to click one more link
> to get x86_64 or ppc.
> 
> This page is just too busy, IMHO. There is too much text, and it asks
> too many questions.
> 
> What our plan had been before when we discussed this, was to offer the
> Fedora live desktop spin x86 with one click.

fwiw here's my money where my mouth is:

http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/

~m



From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 16:58:12 2008
From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:58:12 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
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On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:44 AM, M?ir?n Duffy <duffy at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> M?ir?n Duffy wrote:
>> Patrick C. F. Ernzer wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> On 2008-10-01 18:06, Craig Thomas wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> (3) (MOST IMPORTANT) The get-fedora page, with all of the updates
>>>>> and suggestions that have been discussed since the F9 release
>>> [...]
>>>> and our draft implementation:
>>>>
>>>> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora
>>
>> The solution we had in the mockup (that this doesn't seem to be
>> following) was to just offer 32-bit live desktop by default and other
>> arches are hidden under a 'more options' link.

I am not sure which mockup you are refering to ?  do you have a link
or do you mean the .pdf of the drawing you made?

>> Most consumer machines, especially now that Apple has gone with intel
>> chips, can run x86. If you have no idea of your machine's architecture
>> (and I am betting most folks who want to try Fedora for the first time
>> do not) x86 is a very safe bet. If you do know what your machine's arch
>> is, and it's not x86, you are more than capable to click one more link
>> to get x86_64 or ppc.
>>

Understood and agreed. And I think we should be pushing the x86 live CD myself.

>> This page is just too busy, IMHO. There is too much text, and it asks
>> too many questions.
>>
>> What our plan had been before when we discussed this, was to offer the
>> Fedora live desktop spin x86 with one click.
>
> fwiw here's my money where my mouth is:
>
> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/

To be perfectly candid, I agree with you and feel conflicted about the
work I have done on this idea /page. As a user,  I resist things
moving around the screen and disappearing ... it makes me nervous.
Yet, the basic design of the page seemed to call for it and I feel
like I just followed the idea to it's conclusion. On the other hand, I
think this idea shows off Fedora's offerings in terms of .iso choices.

The above is simple and elegant, things I think Fedora is also.  It's
more in line with the rest of our content.  ( a little sparse, but I
am thinking we would add the right hand column? )

Both seem like huge improvements over the current get-fedora page, and
as our goal is to improve the current user experience I think having
as many ideas out there to work from can only improve the end result.

What do others think?

--
Craig



From duffy at fedoraproject.org  Thu Oct  2 17:11:02 2008
From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:11:02 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
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Craig Thomas wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:44 AM, M?ir?n Duffy <duffy at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> M?ir?n Duffy wrote:
>>> Patrick C. F. Ernzer wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> On 2008-10-01 18:06, Craig Thomas wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> (3) (MOST IMPORTANT) The get-fedora page, with all of the updates
>>>>>> and suggestions that have been discussed since the F9 release
>>>> [...]
>>>>> and our draft implementation:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora
>>> The solution we had in the mockup (that this doesn't seem to be
>>> following) was to just offer 32-bit live desktop by default and other
>>> arches are hidden under a 'more options' link.
> 
> I am not sure which mockup you are refering to ?  do you have a link
> or do you mean the .pdf of the drawing you made?

The PDF :)

>>> Most consumer machines, especially now that Apple has gone with intel
>>> chips, can run x86. If you have no idea of your machine's architecture
>>> (and I am betting most folks who want to try Fedora for the first time
>>> do not) x86 is a very safe bet. If you do know what your machine's arch
>>> is, and it's not x86, you are more than capable to click one more link
>>> to get x86_64 or ppc.
>>>
> 
> Understood and agreed. And I think we should be pushing the x86 live CD myself.
> 
>>> This page is just too busy, IMHO. There is too much text, and it asks
>>> too many questions.
>>>
>>> What our plan had been before when we discussed this, was to offer the
>>> Fedora live desktop spin x86 with one click.
>> fwiw here's my money where my mouth is:
>>
>> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/
> 
> To be perfectly candid, I agree with you and feel conflicted about the
> work I have done on this idea /page. As a user,  I resist things
> moving around the screen and disappearing ... it makes me nervous.
> Yet, the basic design of the page seemed to call for it and I feel
> like I just followed the idea to it's conclusion. On the other hand, I
> think this idea shows off Fedora's offerings in terms of .iso choices.
> 
> The above is simple and elegant, things I think Fedora is also.  It's
> more in line with the rest of our content.  ( a little sparse, but I
> am thinking we would add the right hand column? )
> 
> Both seem like huge improvements over the current get-fedora page, and
> as our goal is to improve the current user experience I think having
> as many ideas out there to work from can only improve the end result.

I think your mockup is great if we wanted a hand-holding wizard.
However, I think a fundamental problem is that the people who would
care enough to download something other than the x86 live media
desktop spin would probably feel patronized by a hand-holding wizard
and would not have the patience to read through all the text.

What I would propose is something like:

- get fedora points to the simple get-fedora mockup I posted that
will link to an advanced options page
- the advanced options page allows you to either click from a sea of
links what you want or to go thru the wizard

I've done something similar to the advanced options page, see this:

http://people.redhat.com/duffy/debuginfo/index-js.html

It has a simple drop-down widget to get you where you want to go,
and it also lets you just look it up yourself:

http://people.redhat.com/duffy/debuginfo/index-nojs.html

What I would suggest for the wizard is something simpler, like with
just dropdowns. To lure in less-advanced users who need the
handholding/explanations, we could use banner ads in a third right
column in the page like in the pdf mockup (i didn't do this in my
html mockup) The banner ads could go directly to the advertised
selection, skipping over the advanced options page.

~m



From opensource at till.name  Wed Oct  1 12:42:35 2008
From: opensource at till.name (Till Maas)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:42:35 +0200
Subject: https://fedoraproject.org/en/keys and fingerprint verification
 procedure
Message-ID: <200810011442.35989.opensource@till.name>

Hi,

on https://fedoraproject.org/en/keys it is suggested to import a gpg key to 
verify it's fingerprint:

| If you want to verify that the keys installed on your system match the keys
| listed here, you can import the key into GnuPG's keyring and check that the
| fingerprint of the key matches. For example:  
| 
| $ gpg --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora
[...]
|$ gpg --fingerprint fedora at redhat.com

Imho it is better to run:
$ gpg --with-fingerprint /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora
pub  1024D/4F2A6FD2 2003-10-27 Fedora Project <fedora at redhat.com>
      Key fingerprint = CAB4 4B99 6F27 744E 8612  7CDF B442 69D0 4F2A 6FD2
sub  1024g/FB939E34 2003-10-27

This will output all necessary data without the need to import the package.

Regards,
Till
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From Matt_Domsch at dell.com  Fri Oct  3 04:32:18 2008
From: Matt_Domsch at dell.com (Matt Domsch)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:32:18 -0500
Subject: metalinks for F10 download pages
Message-ID: <20081003043218.GB31741@auslistsprd01.us.dell.com>

mirrors.fp.o now supports metalinks [1].  metalinks are XML documents
that act like a yum mirrorlist, but with more detail, allowing client
download tools to more easily select a mirror that will be fastest for
them.

Just as you have the BitTorrent, Direct Download, and Jigdo columns
now, I'd like to consider adding a Metalink column.

It's easy to get the metalink URL for a given download.fp.o ISO URL.

http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/10-Beta/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-10-Beta-i386-DVD.iso

becomes

http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?path=pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/10-Beta/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-10-Beta-i386-DVD.iso

(e.g. s:download:mirrors:, s:pub(.*):metalink?path=pub$1: )

Let me know if you have any questions.  If you wanted to add them to
the 10-Beta download page now, that'd be fine with me too.

Thanks,
Matt
Fedora Mirror Wrangler.


[1] http://metalinker.org/


-- 
Matt Domsch
Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO
linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux



From mspevack at redhat.com  Fri Oct  3 12:32:02 2008
From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:32:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
In-Reply-To: <20081002152546.GB15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0809301740080.15697@localhost.localdomain>
	<dcfb610d0810010806s10640497r33b24c629133d0ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810012156490.6564@localhost.localdomain>
	<20081002152546.GB15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0810022355260.3016@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote:

> Step 1:
> --------
> "32-bit PC: Works on all Intel, AMD, VIA C4, and Apple MacBook Pro."
>
> "64-bit PC: Works only on Intel Core 2 Duo, Centrino Core 2 Duo, Xeon,
> AMD Athlon64/X2, Sempron64/X2, and Duron64."
>
> (PowerPC looks good.)
>
> Step 2:
> --------
> "DVD Installation media: This DVD is a large download that includes a
> wide variety of software.  You cannot run Fedora directly from the
> DVD.  This choice is good for users who already know they want to
> install Fedora, and want flexibility and choice."
>
> "Desktop Live media: This disc is a smaller download, with a preset
> software configuration.  You can run Fedora directly from this image
> on CD or a USB key.  This choice is good for beginners or users who
> want a portable Fedora environment."
>
> "KDE Live media: Similar to the Desktop Live media, except it
> showcases KDE software.  This choice is good for KDE fans."
>
> "Want a Custom spin?  Click here to choose from a variety of other
> available media for specialized needs and interests."
>
> Step 3:
> --------
> "Direct download: Download media directly from a location near you.
> This option works better for some users behind a firewall."
>
> "Torrent: Download media using [[BitTorrent software]], which also
> guarantees accuracy.  This option works well for most users,
> especially in the first month after release."
>
> ** The [[BitTorrent software]] text should be a direct link to:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download/BitTorrent

I have always thought that we need something that is the equivalent of 
(but obviously rewritten, I'm exaggerating to make a point):

"Is this the first time you're trying to install a Linux operating 
system and you're completely confused, because no one has ever even told 
you that there are different types of computer hardware, and your 
machine is from Dell or HP or one of the big vendors?  Then CLICK HERE 
and we'll give you something that will probably just work."

And we give them the x86 Desktop Live CD.  And we make that really big 
and prominent, not hidden at the bottom or off in the corner.

--Max



From kwade at redhat.com  Fri Oct  3 14:22:25 2008
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:22:25 -0700
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
In-Reply-To: <48E500A6.70505@fedoraproject.org>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0809301740080.15697@localhost.localdomain>
	<dcfb610d0810010806s10640497r33b24c629133d0ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E4C4E3.6020505@redhat.com> <48E4D114.8020804@fedoraproject.org>
	<48E4EC5B.9010705@fedoraproject.org>
	<dcfb610d0810020958k34178099v6ad292cb9f9afd65@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E500A6.70505@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <1223043745.3452.280.camel@calliope.phig.org>


On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 13:11 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote:

> I think your mockup is great if we wanted a hand-holding wizard.

<hijack>

... and you know where we want a hand-holding wizard?  In the Fedora
Project join process.  Keep this code around for working on that. :)

</hijack>

-- 
Karsten Wade, Community Gardener
Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com
Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
gpg key : AD0E0C41
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From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct  3 17:40:18 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:40:18 -0400
Subject: Print Stylesheets
Message-ID: <20081003174018.GA13614@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

As mentioned at
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/693, our print
stylesheets could really use some work.  Would anybody be interested in 
working on a design or CSS for printed pages?  It would probably be a
really simplified version of what we have, formatted to look right on
paper (it would probably be easiest to get a design down and start the
stylesheet from scratch).  

If anybody's interested, the wiki is probably the main thing to test
the print stylesheet against.  

Thanks,
Ricky
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From stickster at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 17:47:22 2008
From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:47:22 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0810022355260.3016@localhost.localdomain>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0809301740080.15697@localhost.localdomain>
	<dcfb610d0810010806s10640497r33b24c629133d0ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810012156490.6564@localhost.localdomain>
	<20081002152546.GB15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810022355260.3016@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20081003174722.GH3443@salma.internal.frields.org>

On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 08:32:02AM -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
> I have always thought that we need something that is the equivalent of  
> (but obviously rewritten, I'm exaggerating to make a point):
>
> "Is this the first time you're trying to install a Linux operating  
> system and you're completely confused, because no one has ever even told  
> you that there are different types of computer hardware, and your  
> machine is from Dell or HP or one of the big vendors?  Then CLICK HERE  
> and we'll give you something that will probably just work."
>
> And we give them the x86 Desktop Live CD.  And we make that really big  
> and prominent, not hidden at the bottom or off in the corner.

Thank you for reminding me, because we talked about this months ago in
Raleigh IIRC.  This should go at the top, and everything else should
be *HIDDEN* until the user makes a choice:

"Are you new to Linux?  Are you unsure about your computer's hardware?
If so, choose 'FOR BEGINNERS' below.  If you feel comfortable giving
more details, choose 'FOR EXPERTS'."

New to Linux?  Unsure of      Do you know what kind of
your computer's hardware?     processor you have, or
Select this option.           what kind of Fedora you
                              want?  Select this option. 

       fedora			    fedora
   [FOR BEGINNERS] 	         [FOR EXPERTS]


(The "For Experts" button then exposes the first option for arch info,
and so on.

-- 
Paul W. Frields                                http://paul.frields.org/
  gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233  5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
  http://redhat.com/   -  -  -  -   http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
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From duffy at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct  3 18:00:34 2008
From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:00:34 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
In-Reply-To: <20081003174722.GH3443@salma.internal.frields.org>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0809301740080.15697@localhost.localdomain>	<dcfb610d0810010806s10640497r33b24c629133d0ce@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810012156490.6564@localhost.localdomain>	<20081002152546.GB15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org>	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810022355260.3016@localhost.localdomain>
	<20081003174722.GH3443@salma.internal.frields.org>
Message-ID: <48E65DC2.2020408@fedoraproject.org>

Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 08:32:02AM -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
>> I have always thought that we need something that is the equivalent of  
>> (but obviously rewritten, I'm exaggerating to make a point):
>>
>> "Is this the first time you're trying to install a Linux operating  
>> system and you're completely confused, because no one has ever even told  
>> you that there are different types of computer hardware, and your  
>> machine is from Dell or HP or one of the big vendors?  Then CLICK HERE  
>> and we'll give you something that will probably just work."
>>
>> And we give them the x86 Desktop Live CD.  And we make that really big  
>> and prominent, not hidden at the bottom or off in the corner.
> 
> Thank you for reminding me, because we talked about this months ago in
> Raleigh IIRC.  This should go at the top, and everything else should
> be *HIDDEN* until the user makes a choice:
> 
> "Are you new to Linux?  Are you unsure about your computer's hardware?
> If so, choose 'FOR BEGINNERS' below.  If you feel comfortable giving
> more details, choose 'FOR EXPERTS'."
> 
> New to Linux?  Unsure of      Do you know what kind of
> your computer's hardware?     processor you have, or
> Select this option.           what kind of Fedora you
>                               want?  Select this option. 
> 
>        fedora			    fedora
>    [FOR BEGINNERS] 	         [FOR EXPERTS]

the above looks like a splash screen :( splash screens inconvenience
everybody... no matter which line you're supposed to stand in,
you've got to click, and it absolves the designer from choosing a
default audience to cater to and puts the work on the users of all
audiences instead (both have to read the explanatory text and make
an explicit decision rather than at least half getting right to work
right away).

i think instead of a 'turn left for x, turn right for y' approach we
should just cater to beginners by default because they're beginners
and need it. so by default present the beginner's x86 desktop live
cd download link front and center. then require an additional click
to get to the 'experts' part. (this is the point behind
http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/)

~m



From stickster at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 19:25:07 2008
From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:25:07 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
In-Reply-To: <48E65DC2.2020408@fedoraproject.org>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0809301740080.15697@localhost.localdomain>
	<dcfb610d0810010806s10640497r33b24c629133d0ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810012156490.6564@localhost.localdomain>
	<20081002152546.GB15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810022355260.3016@localhost.localdomain>
	<20081003174722.GH3443@salma.internal.frields.org>
	<48E65DC2.2020408@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <20081003192406.GC12411@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 02:00:34PM -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ wrote:
> Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > New to Linux?  Unsure of      Do you know what kind of
> > your computer's hardware?     processor you have, or
> > Select this option.           what kind of Fedora you
> >                               want?  Select this option. 
> > 
> >        fedora			    fedora
> >    [FOR BEGINNERS] 	         [FOR EXPERTS]
> 
> the above looks like a splash screen :( splash screens inconvenience
> everybody... no matter which line you're supposed to stand in,
> you've got to click, and it absolves the designer from choosing a
> default audience to cater to and puts the work on the users of all
> audiences instead (both have to read the explanatory text and make
> an explicit decision rather than at least half getting right to work
> right away).
> 
> i think instead of a 'turn left for x, turn right for y' approach we
> should just cater to beginners by default because they're beginners
> and need it. so by default present the beginner's x86 desktop live
> cd download link front and center. then require an additional click
> to get to the 'experts' part. (this is the point behind
> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/)

Wow, that's a nice design -- completely different than what I had in
mind, but I love it!  I hadn't seen your other response when I posted
this, so I understand your reasoning.

-- 
Paul W. Frields                                http://paul.frields.org/
  gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233  5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
  http://redhat.com/   -  -  -  -   http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
  irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
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From duffy at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct  3 19:35:05 2008
From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:35:05 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
In-Reply-To: <20081003192406.GC12411@localhost.localdomain>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0809301740080.15697@localhost.localdomain>
	<dcfb610d0810010806s10640497r33b24c629133d0ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810012156490.6564@localhost.localdomain>
	<20081002152546.GB15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810022355260.3016@localhost.localdomain>
	<20081003174722.GH3443@salma.internal.frields.org>
	<48E65DC2.2020408@fedoraproject.org>
	<20081003192406.GC12411@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <48E673E9.3040507@fedoraproject.org>

Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 02:00:34PM -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ wrote:
>> Paul W. Frields wrote:
>>> New to Linux?  Unsure of      Do you know what kind of
>>> your computer's hardware?     processor you have, or
>>> Select this option.           what kind of Fedora you
>>>                               want?  Select this option. 
>>>
>>>        fedora			    fedora
>>>    [FOR BEGINNERS] 	         [FOR EXPERTS]
>> the above looks like a splash screen :( splash screens inconvenience
>> everybody... no matter which line you're supposed to stand in,
>> you've got to click, and it absolves the designer from choosing a
>> default audience to cater to and puts the work on the users of all
>> audiences instead (both have to read the explanatory text and make
>> an explicit decision rather than at least half getting right to work
>> right away).
>>
>> i think instead of a 'turn left for x, turn right for y' approach we
>> should just cater to beginners by default because they're beginners
>> and need it. so by default present the beginner's x86 desktop live
>> cd download link front and center. then require an additional click
>> to get to the 'experts' part. (this is the point behind
>> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/)
> 
> Wow, that's a nice design -- completely different than what I had in
> mind, but I love it!  I hadn't seen your other response when I posted
> this, so I understand your reasoning.

Yeh, I still haven't received Max's message. I see it on the
archives though. I think that mail delivery for some of the lists is
messed up.

~m



From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct  3 20:15:00 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:15:00 -0400
Subject: Print Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <20081003174018.GA13614@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
References: <20081003174018.GA13614@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <20081003201500.GB13614@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

On 2008-10-03 01:40:18 PM, Ricky Zhou wrote:
> (it would probably be easiest to get a design down and start the
> stylesheet from scratch).  
I take that part back.  Ian Weller says that MW might already come with
one, so sombody just needs to find it, enable it, and brand it :-)

Thanks,
Ricky
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From ianweller at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 21:06:01 2008
From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:06:01 -0500
Subject: Print Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <20081003201500.GB13614@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
References: <20081003174018.GA13614@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
	<20081003201500.GB13614@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <20081003210452.GA7474@gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 04:15:00PM -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote:
> I take that part back.  Ian Weller says that MW might already come with
> one, so sombody just needs to find it, enable it, and brand it :-)
> 
Gah, I always forget that the reply-to: for f-w-l isn't f-w-l.

-- 
Ian Weller <ianweller at gmail.com>                  http://ianweller.org
GnuPG fingerprint:  E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226  B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36
"Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet."
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From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 01:46:42 2008
From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:46:42 -0400
Subject: Print Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <20081003201500.GB13614@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
References: <20081003174018.GA13614@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
	<20081003201500.GB13614@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <dcfb610d0810031846g700c25bdh3c589630aacab88c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/3 Ricky Zhou <ricky at fedoraproject.org>:
> On 2008-10-03 01:40:18 PM, Ricky Zhou wrote:
>> (it would probably be easiest to get a design down and start the
>> stylesheet from scratch).
> I take that part back.  Ian Weller says that MW might already come with
> one, so sombody just needs to find it, enable it, and brand it :-)

Seems to be:

http://fedoraproject.org/static/css/print.css

In which case, the attached patch is a fair start to my eye as tested
on some random Wiki pages..

--
Craig
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From tp at pfennigsolutions.de  Fri Oct  3 23:38:17 2008
From: tp at pfennigsolutions.de (Thilo Pfennig)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:38:17 +0200
Subject: My contributions
Message-ID: <48E6ACE9.8070304@pfennigsolutions.de>

I request that all my contributions to the wiki like this page:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThiloPfennig

will be removed asap as you had promised. As i have never agreed to the new content licensing terms.

Regards,
Thilo Pfennig

-- 
Thilo Pfennig - PfennigSolutions IT-Beratung- Wiki-Systeme
Sandkrug 28 - 24143 Kiel (Germany)
http://www.pfennigsolutions.de/
XING: https://www.xing.com/profile/Thilo_Pfennig -
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tpfennig




From ianweller at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 00:07:52 2008
From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:07:52 -0500
Subject: My contributions
In-Reply-To: <48E6ACE9.8070304@pfennigsolutions.de>
References: <48E6ACE9.8070304@pfennigsolutions.de>
Message-ID: <20081005000752.GA32094@gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:38:17AM +0200, Thilo Pfennig wrote:
> I request that all my contributions to the wiki like this page:
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThiloPfennig
> 
> will be removed asap as you had promised. As i have never agreed to the new content licensing terms.
> 
Could you elaborate on what "new content licensing terms" you are
speaking of?

-- 
Ian Weller <ianweller at gmail.com>                  http://ianweller.org
GnuPG fingerprint:  E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226  B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36
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From am2605 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 00:43:37 2008
From: am2605 at gmail.com (Andrew Myers)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:43:37 +1100
Subject: Print Stylesheets
Message-ID: <op.uii0a0sii8u2ab@worklaptop>

I am pretty keen to fix this one but may not get to look at it until  
tomorrow (Aussie time).  If anyone's done it in the meantime please let me  
know to save us doing it twice. :-)

Andrew.




From ianweller at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 15:16:37 2008
From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:16:37 -0500
Subject: [tp@pfennigsolutions.de: Re: My contributions]
Message-ID: <20081005151636.GA32084@gmail.com>

----- Forwarded message from Thilo Pfennig <tp at pfennigsolutions.de> -----

Delivered-To: ianweller at gmail.com
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:46:08 +0200
From: Thilo Pfennig <tp at pfennigsolutions.de>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925)
To: Ian Weller <ianweller at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: My contributions
In-Reply-To: <20081005000752.GA32094 at gmail.com>

Ian Weller schrieb:
> On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:38:17AM +0200, Thilo Pfennig wrote:
>   
>> I request that all my contributions to the wiki like this page:
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThiloPfennig
>>
>> will be removed asap as you had promised. As i have never agreed to the new content licensing terms.
>>
>>     
> Could you elaborate on what "new content licensing terms" you are
> speaking of?
>
>   
Well maybe not that new any more. I entered my content before the CLA
and OPL were enforced. I denied both of them, but i was removed write
permission so i could not remove my stuff. it should be all in the wiki
history.  I never signed the CLA back then and did not agree to use the
Open Publication License, because I thought it was stupid not to use a
CC license.

Regards,
Thilo


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From pdhawan_doc at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  4 21:03:51 2008
From: pdhawan_doc at yahoo.com (Pradip Dhawan)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:03:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Regarding the status of fedora free media request
Message-ID: <10048.44212.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I requested for? fedora9 ? x86? DVD? by? submitting? the? Fedora Free Media Request Form? of the month of October 2008.I am also attaching my request information, please see it.? I? want? to know? whether my request? is? accepted or not.? Please? reply at the earliest.. 
Regards,
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From p_newell at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  5 10:29:30 2008
From: p_newell at hotmail.com (Peter Newell)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:29:30 +0000
Subject: Correction to web page
Message-ID: <BAY109-W53F1C999415BE65099AE79F93E0@phx.gbl>


Have been reading about LIVE USB sticks:

Your page

 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo

 seems to be missing a couple of lines.

Current reads
-----

Syncing disks.

mkdosfs 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)
#

----

Needs to read

----

Syncing disks.

#
# /sbin/mkdosfs /dev/sdb1
#

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Trusts that's clear enough helpful

Peter N


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From danishka at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 16:17:50 2008
From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:47:50 +0530
Subject: Regarding the status of fedora free media request
In-Reply-To: <10048.44212.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <10048.44212.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d8001b940810050917v89135a1r4594d9c007219761@mail.gmail.com>

Please contact fedora-freemedia-list at redhat.com for the Free Media Project
issues.

Btw, you don't need to send extra information as you already filed the form

Danishka

2008/10/5 Pradip Dhawan <pdhawan_doc at yahoo.com>

> I requested for  fedora9   x86  DVD  by  submitting  the  Fedora Free Media
> Request Form  of the month of October 2008.I am also attaching my request
> information, please see it.  I  want  to know  whether my request  is
> accepted or not.  Please  reply at the earliest.
> Regards,
> Pradip Dhawan
>
> --
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> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
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From kwade at redhat.com  Sun Oct  5 20:41:04 2008
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:41:04 -0700
Subject: Correction to web page
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-W53F1C999415BE65099AE79F93E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-W53F1C999415BE65099AE79F93E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1223239264.3452.376.camel@calliope.phig.org>


On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 10:29 +0000, Peter Newell wrote:
> Have been reading about LIVE USB sticks:
> 
> Your page
> 
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo
> 
>  seems to be missing a couple of lines.

Yep, looking at the pre-migration version ...

http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo

... it looks as if a few lines were cutoff in the conversion.

I added the command back in (`mkdosfs -n usbdisk /dev/sdb1`) and also
rewrote the section a bit to make it better for users who don't already
have a deep familiarity with the command line. :)

Thanks for the catch and fix.  If you ever get the desire to fix more
stuff on the wiki, I encourage you to sign up for an account and edit
the page directly.  There is a sign-up link in the upper-right corner of
the wiki pages.

Cheers - Karsten
-- 
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Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
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From kwade at redhat.com  Mon Oct  6 16:47:39 2008
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:47:39 -0700
Subject: My contributions
In-Reply-To: <48E6ACE9.8070304@pfennigsolutions.de>
References: <48E6ACE9.8070304@pfennigsolutions.de>
Message-ID: <1223311659.3452.408.camel@calliope.phig.org>


On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 01:38 +0200, Thilo Pfennig wrote:
> I request that all my contributions to the wiki like this page:
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThiloPfennig
> 
> will be removed asap as you had promised. As i have never agreed to the new content licensing terms.

I removed that page.  We can also remove your account from the Fedora
Account System, if you wish.

cheers - Karsten
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Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com
Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
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From kwade at redhat.com  Mon Oct  6 16:57:39 2008
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:57:39 -0700
Subject: meeting tonight at 2200 UTC ... right?
Message-ID: <1223312259.3452.413.camel@calliope.phig.org>

Just a friendly reminder ... it's an odd week so we meet at 2200.

Unless we changed that and I forgot?

Max is in Raleigh this week and busy, so I'm jumping on the reminder,
and am ready to facilitate the meeting, if needed.

- Karsten
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From poelstra at redhat.com  Mon Oct  6 18:41:27 2008
From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:41:27 -0700
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
In-Reply-To: <20081002152546.GB15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0809301740080.15697@localhost.localdomain>	<dcfb610d0810010806s10640497r33b24c629133d0ce@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810012156490.6564@localhost.localdomain>
	<20081002152546.GB15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org>
Message-ID: <48EA5BD7.50002@redhat.com>

Paul W. Frields said the following on 10/02/2008 08:25 AM Pacific Time:
> On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 09:59:45PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Craig Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> and our draft implementation:
>>>
>>> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora
>> Ok, people, it's time to speak up.  Craing and Juank have done a great  
>> job bringing us this far (thank you both), and get-fedora is the SINGLE  
>> MOST IMPORTANT page that people will visit in the first week or two of  
>> F10.
>>
>> I think this is a good direction to take the page, since it begins to  
>> solve the "too many choices and I'm confused" problem.  In my opinion,  
>> the place where the most work still needs to be done is in figuring out  
>> EXACTLY what the text needs to be for each of these options, and getting  
>> those ready for translation.
> 
> The minor problems I see -- and these really are minor -- include:
> 
> * Text rewrites to make the text easier to translate.
> 
> "Step 1: What type of computer do you have?"
> "Step 2: What type of media do you prefer?"
> "Step 3: How do you prefer to download?"
> 
> And then hide the final message completely until the third step is
> completed.  Only then, show a heading-sized link that says "Click here
> to get Fedora."
> 
> * Need fewer (ideally, *no*) exclamation points
> 
> They don't match the Fedora communication style and are generally bad
> for translations since in many languages they mean an imperative, or a
> command.  We don't want to shout at, or speak down to, our users.
> 
> * The right bar is crowded and looks jumbled and off-theme
> 
> But it could be left out entirely of the finished product until we
> have a better design sense of how we want to implement more content on
> the site.  If that work is currently underway, though, simply make
> this part of the "issues to be settled" list.
> 
> As a Docs guy and a writer wannabe, I'm happy to help with other text
> suggestions.  How about these?
> 
> Step 1:
> --------
> "32-bit PC: Works on all Intel, AMD, VIA C4, and Apple MacBook Pro."
> 
> "64-bit PC: Works only on Intel Core 2 Duo, Centrino Core 2 Duo, Xeon,
> AMD Athlon64/X2, Sempron64/X2, and Duron64."
> 
> (PowerPC looks good.)
> 
> Step 2: 
> --------
> "DVD Installation media: This DVD is a large download that includes a
> wide variety of software.  You cannot run Fedora directly from the
> DVD.  This choice is good for users who already know they want to
> install Fedora, and want flexibility and choice."
> 
> "Desktop Live media: This disc is a smaller download, with a preset
> software configuration.  You can run Fedora directly from this image
> on CD or a USB key.  This choice is good for beginners or users who
> want a portable Fedora environment."
> 
> "KDE Live media: Similar to the Desktop Live media, except it
> showcases KDE software.  This choice is good for KDE fans."
> 
> "Want a Custom spin?  Click here to choose from a variety of other
> available media for specialized needs and interests."
> 
> Step 3:
> --------
> "Direct download: Download media directly from a location near you.
> This option works better for some users behind a firewall."
> 
> "Torrent: Download media using [[BitTorrent software]], which also
> guarantees accuracy.  This option works well for most users,
> especially in the first month after release."
> 
> ** The [[BitTorrent software]] text should be a direct link to:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download/BitTorrent
> 
> 

Step 3--option 2 or part of an "advanced" section with bittorrent... Jigdo?



From kwade at redhat.com  Mon Oct  6 20:22:39 2008
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:22:39 -0700
Subject: meeting tonight at 2200 UTC ... right?
In-Reply-To: <20081006200712.GA7687@gmail.com>
References: <1223312259.3452.413.camel@calliope.phig.org>
	<20081006200712.GA7687@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1223324559.3452.453.camel@calliope.phig.org>


On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 15:07 -0500, Ian Weller wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 09:57:39AM -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> > Just a friendly reminder ... it's an odd week so we meet at 2200.
> > 
> > Unless we changed that and I forgot?
> > 
> But last week was 22:00. Hmm.

Oh, I just thought y'all were running overtime. :)

According to ...

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings

... we should be able to tell even/odd week from the desktop calendar or
`date +%W` ... except they give different results.

Considering it is past 2000 UTC right now, let's see if anyone shows up
at 2200, and figure out a definitive odd/even answer.

- Karsten
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From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Mon Oct  6 23:02:02 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:02:02 -0400
Subject: Meeting Log - 2008-10-06
Message-ID: <20081006230202.GA19656@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

22:04 < quaid> oi
22:04 < quaid> calling up the next meeting
22:04 < quaid> <meeting id="Websites">
22:04  * ianweller picks up the phone . o O (next meeting? where are youuuuuu)
22:04 < ianweller> also, i'm here
22:04 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Websites team meeting :: begin
22:04 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk
22:04  * quaid is here, too
22:05 -!- ylynfatt [n=yannick at 196.2.0.153] has joined #fedora-meeting
22:05  * ricky 
22:06 -!- smooge [n=smooge at nausicaa.unm.edu] has quit "-ENOCAFFEINE"
22:06 < ianweller> this is starting to look a lot like last week's websites meeting
22:06  * quaid looks at ...
22:06 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks
22:07 < quaid> yeah, I vote for the perpetual meeting
22:07 < ricky> Same
22:07 < quaid> from 2000 to 2300 UTC
22:07 < quaid> just takeover and go slooooow
22:07 < ricky> Hehe
22:07 < ylynfatt> quaid: I haven't done anything else yet on the fp.o/contact since my last message to the mailing list but the link to the preview is as follows: http://ylynfatt.fedorapeople.org/contact.html
22:08 < quaid> ricky: it is nice having a weekly nag session, uh, I mean, reminders to get on a task I may hve forgotten about.
22:08 < ylynfatt> I suppose that's my progress update.
22:08 < ricky> Looks goouLooks good
22:08 < ricky> Um, whoops :-)
22:09 < ianweller> um
22:09 < ianweller> for the one task taht i do own, i just created the ticket for it on fedora-infrastructure
22:09 < ianweller> like i was supposed to do last week. (oops)
22:09 < ricky> Any further comments on the contact page?  
22:10 < ricky> If that's good and done, we can look at getting that updated after the meeting
22:10 -!- giarc [n=cwt at ool-435162cf.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #fedora-meeting
22:10 < ricky> Hey, giarc 
22:10 < giarc> hey ricky
22:10 < quaid> one comment on the contact page
22:11  * ianweller high fives giarc for no particular reason
22:11 < quaid> can we crop off the bottom of the Apache Test Page screenshot?
22:11 < ylynfatt> quaid: you mean all that whitespace?
22:11 < ricky> Yeah, we can definitely save that sapce
22:11 < ricky> **space
22:11  * giarc high five ianweller for being ianweller 
22:11 < ianweller> \o/
22:11 < quaid> ylynfatt: most of it, I guess
22:11 < giarc> s/five/fives
22:12 < ylynfatt> sure, umm...when I get home I'll try make the adjustment
22:12 < quaid> ylynfatt: I scrolled and stopped, thinking that was the end of the contact page
22:12 -!- jyulliano [n=jyullian at 189.25.182.211] has quit "Saindo"
22:12 < ylynfatt> quaid: hehe okay
22:12 -!- jyulliano [n=jyullian at 189.25.182.211] has joined #fedora-meeting
22:12 < ricky> ylynfatt: Is that a plain HTML page, or was it generated from a genshi template?
22:12 < ylynfatt> ricky: that was just a plane HTML page
22:12 < ylynfatt> ricky: but I do have the genshi template on my home pc.
22:13 < quaid> ylynfatt: oh, also, the link to the server teste page on the wiki is now http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server_Test_Page, save a redirect :)
22:13 < ricky> Ah, cool - whenever you can get ahold of that, ping me and we can get it pushed
22:13 < ylynfatt> ricky: sure no prob.
22:13 < ylynfatt> quaid: thanks
22:13 < ricky> Are there any other contact groups that we can think of to add there?
22:14  * quaid plays secretary with the task list
22:14 < ylynfatt> ricky: maybe the Documentation group?
22:15 < ricky> Hmm, could adding the docs group confuse people looking for support?
22:16 < ricky> quaid: We can probably remove the docs.fp.o one :-)
22:17 < ricky> All right, no update on the infrastructure stuff from me yet.  I'll hopefully be working more on improving the web building process soon
22:17 < quaid> how about ...
22:17 < quaid> user accounts?  infrastructure issues?
22:17 < quaid> or do we filter that through webmaster@?
22:17 < ricky> Good call, those would go to admin at fedoraproject.org
22:17 < quaid> k
22:17 < ricky> (accounts at fp.o goes to the same place as admin@)
22:19 < ricky> Perhaps press at fp.o as well.
22:19 < ylynfatt> so add something for user accounts/infrastructure? and press as well?
22:19 < quaid> ooh, press, yes
22:19 < ricky> Yup
22:19 < ylynfatt> oki doki
22:20 < ricky> Thanks for working on this!
22:20 < ricky> kanarip: ping (any update on spins.fp.o?)
22:20 < ylynfatt> ricky: no problem. It's the least I could do.
22:20 < quaid> ylynfatt: I have a few small grammatical bits on that page; I can write them up for the current version, you can merge what makes sense in to the document
22:21 < ylynfatt> quaid: sure, no prob.
22:21  * quaid notes more style than grammatical, but whatever; small stuff
22:21 < quaid> let's see now ...
22:22 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Websites team mtg :: working down the task list
22:22 < kanarip> ricky, no volunteers on the list so i guess i'm going to figure out how to edit images myself
22:22 < quaid> no jonrob around today that I see
22:22 < quaid> kanarip: stall on spins wireframe?
22:22 < kanarip> so far, yes
22:23 < ricky> kanarip: Perhaps it would be a good idea to start work on the backend first
22:23 -!- Bowser [n=Gaaruto at atm91-2-82-241-141-128.fbx.proxad.net] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
22:23 < kanarip> i have no time to work on a backend but i see your point
22:24 < ricky> Yeah.  It's a pretty big project
22:24 < quaid> is there any way
22:24 < quaid> we can break it down to easier-to-digest
22:25 < quaid> ... somethings ...
22:25 < quaid> not knowing who was supposed to program it in the first place ...
22:25 < kanarip> no-one knew who was supposed to program it i guess
22:26 < quaid> well, that may not be as much of a problem as we think, on the face of it
22:26 < quaid> if we can find a way to enable people to contribute in quick, meaningful ways
22:26 < ylynfatt> I'm a bit out of the loop but what's required for the backend of spins site?
22:27  * ricky isn't 100% sure about what the technical requirements are at the moment
22:27  * kanarip still has to merge a server-client-devel branch of revisor
22:28 < quaid> http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html
22:28 < quaid> that is the sitemap
22:28  * ricky doesn't know where to start :-)
22:28 < quaid> but what does it do?
22:28 < ricky> I guess it takes a kickstart file (or provides a means to generate one)
22:28 < kanarip> it sketches utopia://spins.fedoraproject.org
22:29 < quaid> heh
22:29 < ricky> Then then builds a spin, allowing the author to attach metadata to it
22:29 < ricky> s/then/it
22:29 < quaid> ERR: protocol "utopia" unknown
22:29 < kanarip> quaid, i rest my case ;-)
22:29  * ricky isn't sure how practical the "building the spin" part would be for infrastructure.
22:30 < giarc> it's supposed to build the spin on the fly?
22:30 < quaid> build, host, social tagging and karma, my view, the works
22:30 < kanarip> yes, that too
22:31 < ricky> kanarip: How realistic do you think the spin-building is on a large scale?
22:31 -!- mbacovsk [n=mbacovsk at okr2fw.topnet.cz] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host)
22:31  * ricky has no idea how intensive these things are
22:32 < kanarip> builds knock down 100% CPU in ~4% of the build time of about .5-1 hour
22:32 < ricky> Yow
22:32 < kanarip> memory footprint shouldn't go over 500-700MB for a huge transaction
22:33 -!- jyulliano [n=jyullian at 189.25.182.211] has quit Connection timed out
22:33 < kanarip> ricky, it's just a huge yum thing and then a squashfs thing basically
22:33 < ricky> Ah.
22:33 < ricky> So perhaps we should talk to infrastructure a bit and make sure that the goals are realistic
22:34 < kanarip> well!!...
22:34 < kanarip> if anything, i'd just like /a/ build host
22:35 < kanarip> then i can do hub vs. builder stuff just by using localhost as well
22:35 < ricky> mmcgrath: Are you around to talk about spins.fp.o goals right now?
22:36 -!- DemonJester [n=DemonJes at fedora/DemonJester] has joined #fedora-meeting
22:36 < kanarip> just /a/ build host helps out on more then just this end as well
22:36 -!- DemonJester [n=DemonJes at fedora/DemonJester] has quit Client Quit
22:37 -!- bpepple|lt [n=bpepple|@adsl-69-214-168-154.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #fedora-meeting
22:37 < mmcgrath> ricky: I am, but only for a bit.  whats up?
22:37  * mmcgrath has dinner guests coming over soon
22:37 < ricky> So right now, it looks like the goal for spins.fp.o is let people build their own spins - is this feasible for us to run?
22:38 -!- DemonJester [n=DemonJes at fedora/DemonJester] has joined #fedora-meeting
22:38 < ricky> kanarip knows more about the technical needs
22:38 < mmcgrath> well, spins isn't part of a buildsystem, its part of distribution.
22:38 < mmcgrath> There has been talks, a couple of times, about having a spins build system but I'm not aware of its status or anything
22:38 -!- fraggle_ [n=fraggle at bea13-2-82-239-143-199.fbx.proxad.net] has quit "-ENOBRAIN"
22:39 -!- SmootherFrOgZ [n=laxathom at 147.125.206-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #fedora-meeting
22:39 < kanarip> do we really, really have to get everyone involved before there is even a show-case?
22:40 < quaid> perhaps interested people
22:40 < ricky> I just want to make sure that we don't create something that can't be run anywhere
22:40 < quaid> can request a publictest instance and give it a start?
22:40 < kanarip> quaid, potential contributors to this specific goal, yes
22:40 < quaid> ricky: it would help, then, to create it by actually running it _somewhere_ to start :)
22:40 < quaid> kanarip: right, specific goal
22:40 < kanarip> ricky, if nothing else, i'll host it
22:40 < ricky> I can try and get a publictest up if we have anybody interested in working on it
22:41 < ricky> kanarip: OK, I'm not afraid of that problem anymore, then :-)
22:41 < kanarip> i just do not have anything to show to anyone wrt. a build system for spins other then the work loupgaroublond has done on server-client-devel, that still has to be merged with master
22:42 < quaid> with this group of ppl here
22:42 < loupgaroublond> i see my name here...
22:42 < quaid> can we get a server up, building, with a basic web UI to take a KS and spit out an ISO?
22:42 < quaid> grey screen, upload text box, that's ti :)
22:42 < ricky> Sounds like a good goal to begin with
22:43 < quaid> it looks to be a central part of the workflow, anyway, and the part that needs more robustiness
22:43  * quaid trying for a Colbert-like neologism
22:44 < ricky> Heh
22:44 < kanarip> i'm not setting that goal for myself because if i do i'm also getting fired
22:44 < quaid> kanarip: back to the programming question ...
22:44 < loupgaroublond> IIRC we nearly had it doing that via client-server
22:45 < kanarip> loupgaroublond, yes, that has to be merged back to master
22:45 < loupgaroublond> ah, check
22:45 -!- fraggle_ [n=fraggle at bea13-2-82-239-143-199.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #fedora-meeting
22:45 < kanarip> i can do that if needed, clean conflicts up a little, make it work for rawhide a little
22:46 < quaid> and who can build out the publictest box?
22:47  * ricky can get a publictest built, but may not be able to dedicate much time to actually writing the spins app
22:48  * quaid can only update the task list with whatever we decide here
22:49 < ricky> OK, so the main challenge is to find people interested in working on this kind of project
22:49 < ricky> How do we want to go about finding people?  :-)
22:52 < quaid> one thing is doing as much as you can, talking about it
22:52 < quaid> to draw interest
22:52 < quaid> e.g. the wireframes, etc.
22:52 < quaid> in this case ...
22:53 < ricky> The question that comes to mind is: Who wants this?
22:55 < kanarip> rumors tell me red hat is interested
22:55  * quaid has no clue
22:56 < kanarip> loupgaroublond, i decided to push master => server-client-devel instead of pulling it into master
22:56 < quaid> ok, we're getting close to the hour mark
22:57 < quaid> any comments on the other tasks?
22:57 < quaid> CMS ...
22:57 < ricky> Any update on CMS?
22:57 < quaid> I am working on higher level project management stuff to enable everyone
22:57 < quaid> then I've got ... about 7 to 10 days at the end of this month that I'm hoping is enough to get through testing some CMSes
22:58 < quaid> do the manic, last minute thing :)
22:58 < ricky> Heh
22:58  * ricky knows that feeling well...  with essays.
22:58 < quaid> oh, yeah
22:58 < quaid> "that's when I'm at my best!"
22:58 < quaid> get-fedora ...
22:59 < quaid> that has been a good discussion, I think mizmo has the lead in the UI argument
22:59 < ricky> I'll try try to dig up the latest revision and talk to mizmo about it/try to polish it a bit
22:59 < quaid> ricky: do you want to take on that task and roll all the various situtations up?
22:59 < quaid> heh, there ya'r
22:59 < ricky> Any help/javascript expertise would be appreciated :-)
23:00  * quaid wants to use a similar JS UI for Join stuff ...
23:00 < quaid> ok, anything more?
23:00 < quaid> we don't have to close, but it's the traditional hour :)
23:00 < ricky> Sounds good
23:00 < ricky> Thanks for coming, everybody!
23:01 < quaid> rock on
23:01 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule
23:01 < quaid> </meeting>
23:01 < giarc> ricky, whatever help you need with get-fedora, just ask/point me
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From kwade at redhat.com  Tue Oct  7 00:14:09 2008
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:14:09 -0700
Subject: IRC log and updates 2008-10-06 meeting
Message-ID: <1223338449.3452.464.camel@calliope.phig.org>

The log:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Websites_IRC_log_20081006

The updated tasks list that shows status:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks

Highlights:

* spins.fedoraproject.org needs programming help
* new default central contact page finalizing to go up in the next few
days, thanks ylynfatt
* ricky carrying on with get-fedora task to coalesce ideas and get
something new in place

-- 
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Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
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From dev at nigelj.com  Tue Oct  7 02:22:36 2008
From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:22:36 +1300
Subject: Footnoteable Wiki
Message-ID: <1223346156.3242.6.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz>

Hi Everyone,

The Fedora Orbital Laser[1] has cooled down enough to allow us to work
on getting Footnotes[2] in the wiki[3].

There is some excellent documentation[4] on the Mediawiki website on how
to use them if you have not in the past.

Thank you for bearing through this announcement[5],

Nigel Jones[6]

--References--

[1]
http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-announce-list at redhat.com/msg01140.html
[2] Not to be mistaken with 'Foodnotes'
[3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/
[4] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php#Usage
[5] I use too many footnotes eh?

-- 
[6] Nigel Jones <dev at nigelj.com>



From gdk at redhat.com  Tue Oct  7 20:32:07 2008
From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:32:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Symantic wiki
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0810071631180.28177@localhost.localdomain>


Check out the cool stuff that they're doing on the OLPC wiki for data 
gathering:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases_8.2.0#Test_cases

Pretty cool what templating and such can do, collecting wiki data in a 
formulaic symantic way.

--g



From stickster at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 23:41:20 2008
From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:41:20 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
In-Reply-To: <48EA5BD7.50002@redhat.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0809301740080.15697@localhost.localdomain>
	<dcfb610d0810010806s10640497r33b24c629133d0ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810012156490.6564@localhost.localdomain>
	<20081002152546.GB15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org>
	<48EA5BD7.50002@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1223422880.20159.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 11:41 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
> Paul W. Frields said the following on 10/02/2008 08:25 AM Pacific Time:
> > On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 09:59:45PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote:
> >> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Craig Thomas wrote:
> >>
> >>> and our draft implementation:
> >>>
> >>> http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora
> >> Ok, people, it's time to speak up.  Craing and Juank have done a great  
> >> job bringing us this far (thank you both), and get-fedora is the SINGLE  
> >> MOST IMPORTANT page that people will visit in the first week or two of  
> >> F10.
> >>
> >> I think this is a good direction to take the page, since it begins to  
> >> solve the "too many choices and I'm confused" problem.  In my opinion,  
> >> the place where the most work still needs to be done is in figuring out  
> >> EXACTLY what the text needs to be for each of these options, and getting  
> >> those ready for translation.
> > 
> > The minor problems I see -- and these really are minor -- include:
> > 
> > * Text rewrites to make the text easier to translate.
> > 
> > "Step 1: What type of computer do you have?"
> > "Step 2: What type of media do you prefer?"
> > "Step 3: How do you prefer to download?"
> > 
> > And then hide the final message completely until the third step is
> > completed.  Only then, show a heading-sized link that says "Click here
> > to get Fedora."
> > 
> > * Need fewer (ideally, *no*) exclamation points
> > 
> > They don't match the Fedora communication style and are generally bad
> > for translations since in many languages they mean an imperative, or a
> > command.  We don't want to shout at, or speak down to, our users.
> > 
> > * The right bar is crowded and looks jumbled and off-theme
> > 
> > But it could be left out entirely of the finished product until we
> > have a better design sense of how we want to implement more content on
> > the site.  If that work is currently underway, though, simply make
> > this part of the "issues to be settled" list.
> > 
> > As a Docs guy and a writer wannabe, I'm happy to help with other text
> > suggestions.  How about these?
> > 
> > Step 1:
> > --------
> > "32-bit PC: Works on all Intel, AMD, VIA C4, and Apple MacBook Pro."
> > 
> > "64-bit PC: Works only on Intel Core 2 Duo, Centrino Core 2 Duo, Xeon,
> > AMD Athlon64/X2, Sempron64/X2, and Duron64."
> > 
> > (PowerPC looks good.)
> > 
> > Step 2: 
> > --------
> > "DVD Installation media: This DVD is a large download that includes a
> > wide variety of software.  You cannot run Fedora directly from the
> > DVD.  This choice is good for users who already know they want to
> > install Fedora, and want flexibility and choice."
> > 
> > "Desktop Live media: This disc is a smaller download, with a preset
> > software configuration.  You can run Fedora directly from this image
> > on CD or a USB key.  This choice is good for beginners or users who
> > want a portable Fedora environment."
> > 
> > "KDE Live media: Similar to the Desktop Live media, except it
> > showcases KDE software.  This choice is good for KDE fans."
> > 
> > "Want a Custom spin?  Click here to choose from a variety of other
> > available media for specialized needs and interests."
> > 
> > Step 3:
> > --------
> > "Direct download: Download media directly from a location near you.
> > This option works better for some users behind a firewall."
> > 
> > "Torrent: Download media using [[BitTorrent software]], which also
> > guarantees accuracy.  This option works well for most users,
> > especially in the first month after release."
> > 
> > ** The [[BitTorrent software]] text should be a direct link to:
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download/BitTorrent
> > 
> > 
> 
> Step 3--option 2 or part of an "advanced" section with bittorrent... Jigdo?

Maybe, but Mo Duffy put the kibosh on all this with a much
better-reasoned approach that actually achieves real simplicity, which
was the original point.  Certainly jigdo could be a part of the content
found when one takes the option on her design for 'Other expert stuff,'
or whatever the link is titled.  Basically, I'm just calling this out so
that the best design (hers) survives and mine fades into the oblivion it
so richly deserves. :-D

-- 
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From pregiegarin at marikina.sti.edu  Wed Oct  8 11:56:25 2008
From: pregiegarin at marikina.sti.edu (pregie garin)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:56:25 +0800
Subject: post to this list
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From meuligo_aa at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 15:06:47 2008
From: meuligo_aa at yahoo.com (afwan halim)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: subcribe
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From kiran.subash at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 02:47:55 2008
From: kiran.subash at gmail.com (Kiran Subash)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:17:55 +0530
Subject: Small correction
Message-ID: <54beb6f40810051947g6de5287eoadd52f592ea040df@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

The Fedora logo at the top left on the Fedora 10 beta page shows Fedora 9

Check -

http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease

as opposed to

http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-prerelease

Might confuse someone.

Cheers,
- Kiran



From Matthias.Eberle at hanse.net  Mon Oct  6 19:19:18 2008
From: Matthias.Eberle at hanse.net (Matthias Eberle)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:19:18 +0200
Subject: Broken Link 
Message-ID: <m3y7117cqx.fsf@ventus>

Hi,

I found a broken link on on the lower part of

   http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora

in the section "Let me look around..." when you select "See all
mirrors".  This directs to 

   http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/

and does not work anymore.  A quick fix is to leave the trailing "9/"
away, so you have

   http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/

When doing this, the user can select the appropriate mirror for a
certain version, e.g. "Fedora 8" or "Fedora 9" instead of having
"Fedora 9" preselected.  Unfortunately there is also a problem with
the "Mirror list filter" on this page.

Not preselecting a certain version would also be consistent with the
"See all torrents" and "See all custom spins" links, where all version
can be selected.

-- 
Matthias Eberle.



From eda at waniasset.com  Thu Oct  9 10:37:16 2008
From: eda at waniasset.com (Ed Avis)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:37:16 +0100
Subject: Planet Fedora language selection
Message-ID: <7A5C308A1A3D554B8B8C0E331F7D2BB10ED168@wcl-exc.wcl.local>

Most web browsers let you configure a list of languages you understand.  The browser sends that information in the http request (Accept-Language).  Could this be used to filter the Planet Fedora blogs so that you only see ones in languages you can read?

-- 
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From creotiv at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 19:02:14 2008
From: creotiv at gmail.com (CREOtiv)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:02:14 +0300
Subject: About breaking GPL license and copyrights on Fedora Core.
Message-ID: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>

Hello,

This guys http://www.linux-xp.ru/ selling linux for money. It based on Fedora Core. So their actions break copyrights and the GPL licence of Fedora Linux.
You must do something.

Best regards,
Andrew
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From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct 10 21:19:53 2008
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:49:53 +0530
Subject: About breaking GPL license and copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>
Message-ID: <48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>

CREOtiv wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> This guys http://www.linux-xp.ru/ selling linux for money. It based on 
> Fedora Core. So their actions break copyrights and the GPL licence of 
> Fedora Linux.
> You must do something.

You seem to be misinterpreting the GPL license. Read the primer. Also refer

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

Linux XP as a derivative distribution of Fedora is very well free to 
sell copies of it as long as they satisfy the other requirements of the 
license such as providing the source code.

Rahul



From pemboa at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 21:27:29 2008
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:27:29 -0500
Subject: About breaking GPL license and copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>
	<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Rahul Sundaram
<sundaram at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> CREOtiv wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>  This guys http://www.linux-xp.ru/ selling linux for money. It based on
>> Fedora Core. So their actions break copyrights and the GPL licence of Fedora
>> Linux.
>> You must do something.
>
> You seem to be misinterpreting the GPL license. Read the primer. Also refer
>
> http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
>
> Linux XP as a derivative distribution of Fedora is very well free to sell
> copies of it as long as they satisfy the other requirements of the license
> such as providing the source code.
>
> Rahul


For the curious:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux-xp.ru%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en

I haven't seen source code nor Fedora yet. But one would have to
purchase a copy to verify.
-- 
Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin
( www.pembo13.com )



From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct 10 21:40:25 2008
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:10:25 +0530
Subject: About breaking GPL license and copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>	
	<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>
	<16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>

Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> 
> For the curious:
> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux-xp.ru%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en
> 
> I haven't seen source code nor Fedora yet. But one would have to
> purchase a copy to verify.

There is no need to translate. Refer http://www.linux-xp.com/. I haven't 
looked for source code.

Rahul



From pemboa at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 21:46:08 2008
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:46:08 -0500
Subject: About breaking GPL license and copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>
	<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>
	<16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <16de708d0810101446h3f9c94cbkce1145142358ce47@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Rahul Sundaram
<sundaram at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>
>> For the curious:
>>
>> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux-xp.ru%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en
>>
>> I haven't seen source code nor Fedora yet. But one would have to
>> purchase a copy to verify.
>
> There is no need to translate. Refer http://www.linux-xp.com/. I haven't
> looked for source code.
>
> Rahul


Following up: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Linux_XP&oldid=242503592

-- 
Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin
( www.pembo13.com )



From jonstanley at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 21:54:38 2008
From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:54:38 -0400
Subject: About breaking GPL license and copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>
	<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>
	<16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Rahul Sundaram
<sundaram at fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> There is no need to translate. Refer http://www.linux-xp.com/. I haven't
> looked for source code.

Interesting.  I tried the "Buy Now" and "Download Now" links on the
English version of the site and got nowhere. I do notice mention that
I have to register in order to use the product beyond a 30-day
evaluation period. I *think* that this may be an issue under GPLv3
section 6, if there is any GPLv3 software in the distro, which cannot
obviously be determined without a copy of it.



From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct 10 21:58:09 2008
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:28:09 +0530
Subject: About breaking GPL license and copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>	
	<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>	
	<16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>	
	<48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>
	<da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org>

Jon Stanley wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Rahul Sundaram
> <sundaram at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> 
>> There is no need to translate. Refer http://www.linux-xp.com/. I haven't
>> looked for source code.
> 
> Interesting.  I tried the "Buy Now" and "Download Now" links on the
> English version of the site and got nowhere. I do notice mention that
> I have to register in order to use the product beyond a 30-day
> evaluation period. I *think* that this may be an issue under GPLv3
> section 6, if there is any GPLv3 software in the distro, which cannot
> obviously be determined without a copy of it.

This is a Russian organization. I doubt we want to waste money trying to 
get a hold of this product to hunt down whether the restrictions on the 
end product is evasive of any specific license within. Wikipedia article 
states that they do not respond to email. It doesn't appear to have made 
any new releases and seems to be dead.

Rahul



From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct 10 22:32:10 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:32:10 -0400
Subject: Planet Fedora language selection
In-Reply-To: <7A5C308A1A3D554B8B8C0E331F7D2BB10ED168@wcl-exc.wcl.local>
References: <7A5C308A1A3D554B8B8C0E331F7D2BB10ED168@wcl-exc.wcl.local>
Message-ID: <20081010223210.GA16803@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

On 2008-10-09 11:37:16 AM, Ed Avis wrote:
> Most web browsers let you configure a list of languages you
> understand.  The browser sends that information in the http request
> (Accept-Language).  Could this be used to filter the Planet Fedora
> blogs so that you only see ones in languages you can read?
Hi, I think there was some talk about this recently, and I think it
might be possible.  

Could we add a lang variable to the people config and then set a CSS
class based on that language?  That way, we can have some javascript or
something to hide all posts marked with that class.

Seth, is in line with the previous discussions we've had about letting
users filter their planet view? 

Thanks,
Ricky
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From skvidal at fedoraproject.org  Sat Oct 11 03:40:03 2008
From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:40:03 -0400
Subject: Planet Fedora language selection
In-Reply-To: <20081010223210.GA16803@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
References: <7A5C308A1A3D554B8B8C0E331F7D2BB10ED168@wcl-exc.wcl.local>
	<20081010223210.GA16803@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <1223696403.27425.24.camel@rosebud>

On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 18:32 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote:
> On 2008-10-09 11:37:16 AM, Ed Avis wrote:
> > Most web browsers let you configure a list of languages you
> > understand.  The browser sends that information in the http request
> > (Accept-Language).  Could this be used to filter the Planet Fedora
> > blogs so that you only see ones in languages you can read?
> Hi, I think there was some talk about this recently, and I think it
> might be possible.  
> 
> Could we add a lang variable to the people config and then set a CSS
> class based on that language?  That way, we can have some javascript or
> something to hide all posts marked with that class.
> 
> Seth, is in line with the previous discussions we've had about letting
> users filter their planet view? 

There was a css that someone was talking about adding to the template
for the planet to let you pick and choose the ones you want. That
doesn't, iirc, work for the rss feeds though.

-sv




From stickster at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 12:55:55 2008
From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:55:55 -0400
Subject: help.fp.o
Message-ID: <1223816155.28745.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Would it be possible to get a help.fp.o subdomain that points to the
appropriate place on the wiki?  This would probably be:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate 

-- 
Paul W. Frields
  gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233  5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
  http://paul.frields.org/   -  -   http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
  irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
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From jonrob at fedoraproject.org  Sun Oct 12 17:18:19 2008
From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:18:19 +0100
Subject: help.fp.o
In-Reply-To: <1223816155.28745.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1223816155.28745.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <507738ef0810121018h37c49b75m475fcdbeca1f445c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/12 Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com>:
> Would it be possible to get a help.fp.o subdomain that points to the
> appropriate place on the wiki?  This would probably be:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate

Paul what about this page that we created a while ago:

http://fedoraproject.org/get-help

I wrote it specifically to fulfil a more direct help function.

Jon



From dev at nigelj.com  Mon Oct 13 00:26:00 2008
From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:26:00 +1300
Subject: help.fp.o
In-Reply-To: <507738ef0810121018h37c49b75m475fcdbeca1f445c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1223816155.28745.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<507738ef0810121018h37c49b75m475fcdbeca1f445c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1223857560.2992.1587.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz>

On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 18:18 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
> 2008/10/12 Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com>:
> > Would it be possible to get a help.fp.o subdomain that points to the
> > appropriate place on the wiki?  This would probably be:
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate
> 
> Paul what about this page that we created a while ago:
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/get-help
> 
> I wrote it specifically to fulfil a more direct help function.
I'm handling a similar request (fas.fp.o->a.fp.o/accounts), I can do
this at the same time if you wish, just decide where.

- Nigel
> 
> Jon
> 
-- 
Nigel Jones <dev at nigelj.com>



From dev at nigelj.com  Mon Oct 13 03:47:42 2008
From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:47:42 +1300
Subject: help.fp.o
In-Reply-To: <1223857560.2992.1587.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz>
References: <1223816155.28745.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<507738ef0810121018h37c49b75m475fcdbeca1f445c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1223857560.2992.1587.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz>
Message-ID: <1223869662.2992.1803.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz>

On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 13:26 +1300, Nigel Jones wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 18:18 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
> > 2008/10/12 Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com>:
> > > Would it be possible to get a help.fp.o subdomain that points to the
> > > appropriate place on the wiki?  This would probably be:
> > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate
> > 
> > Paul what about this page that we created a while ago:
> > 
> > http://fedoraproject.org/get-help
> > 
> > I wrote it specifically to fulfil a more direct help function.
> I'm handling a similar request (fas.fp.o->a.fp.o/accounts), I can do
> this at the same time if you wish, just decide where.
> 
> - Nigel
FWIW, I setup help.fp.o to go to get-help, it can however be changed if
the wiki page (which get-help refers to) is prefered).

- Nigel
> > 
> > Jon
> > 
> -- 
> Nigel Jones <dev at nigelj.com>
> 
-- 
Nigel Jones <dev at nigelj.com>



From iupbel at tin.it  Sun Oct 12 18:01:38 2008
From: iupbel at tin.it (Franco Belfiore)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:01:38 +0000
Subject: Download  ISO Dvd Fedora 9 da http://fedoraproject.org/it/index
Message-ID: <1223834498.8888.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Salve Volevo segnalare che l'immagine iso in questione dal link indicato
non e corrtta in quanto il file e di 1.2Gb e l'immagine fallisce il
controllo del checksum SH1
Saluti
Franco Belfiore



From eda at waniasset.com  Mon Oct 13 11:46:16 2008
From: eda at waniasset.com (Ed Avis)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:46:16 +0100
Subject: Planet Fedora language selection
References: <7A5C308A1A3D554B8B8C0E331F7D2BB10ED168@wcl-exc.wcl.local>
	<20081010223210.GA16803@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <7A5C308A1A3D554B8B8C0E331F7D2BB10ED18F@wcl-exc.wcl.local>

>Could we add a lang variable to the people config and then set 
>a CSS class based on that language?

If you do that then the browser still downloads all the content and then
doesn't display some of it, which seems wasteful.  It also won't work
with non-Javascript browsers.  Surely better is to generate the page on
the server with just blog posts in the languages requested.

OTOH, that would mean not having a single static HTML page to serve
identically to all users.

-- 
Ed Avis <eda at waniasset.com>

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From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Mon Oct 13 20:44:17 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:44:17 -0400
Subject: Meeting Log - 2008-10-13
Message-ID: <20081013204417.GA18436@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

20:00 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Who's Here?
20:00  * ianweller 
20:01 -!- Irssi: #fedora-websites: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
20:01 < ricky> juank_prada, mizmo-out, quaid, tw2113: ping
20:01 < tw2113> i'm technically here but not paying the most attention
20:01 < tw2113> i don't think i have any open tasks
20:01 < ricky> There are always new tasks :-)
20:02 < ricky> All righty, then
20:02 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Tasks
20:02 < ricky> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks
20:03 < ricky> I don't think jonrob is around.  quaid: Any update on the CMS search?
20:03 < tw2113> actually i have one, and i just need to keep tweaking it :D
20:04 < ricky> :-(
20:04 < ricky> ylynfatt isn't around either
20:05 < ricky> tw2113: Sooo, what kind of tweaking do you have in mind for docs.fp.o?  :-)
20:05 < tw2113> just to keep evolving and touching up the css
20:06 < ricky> OK, mizmo-out doesn't seem around either
20:06 < ricky> ianweller: Any update to the MW redirects?
20:06 < tw2113> she's at the gnome summit
20:06 < ricky> .ticket 883
20:06 < zodbot> ricky: #883 (Fix MediaWiki to use 302s for redirects) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/883
20:06 < ricky> Ahh.  *that's* why people were showing up from novell/* :-)
20:06 < ianweller> no updates from me
20:06 -!- juank_ [n=juanky at 200.114.52.44] has joined #fedora-websites
20:06 < ricky> All right
20:07 < ricky> Hey, juank_ 
20:07 < juank_> ricky, hi hi
20:07 < ricky> Nothing on the infrastructure stuff yet
20:07 < juank_> already started with the meeting?
20:07 < ricky> Yup
20:09 < ricky> All right, so no updates with spins either, I suspect
20:09 < ricky> Next (the big one) - get-fedora
20:10 < ricky> So we're going to get this out by F10 no matter what :-)
20:11  * ricky looks through the mailing list for a minute
20:11 < juank_> and what is the current status... i mean, have somebody worked on that these last days/months :P?
20:11 < juank_> or are we still discussing and planning?
20:12 < ricky> Nope - at this point, we need to start doing to get it ready by the string freeze
20:12 < juank_> ricky, and is already settled what should be done?...
20:12 < ricky> Release is 11/25, and we want to be ready 3 weeks before
20:13 < ricky> Let's try to get all of the small details hammered out now
20:13 < ricky> So right now, my main complaint is probably the disappearing sections
20:14 < juank_> what do you mean?
20:14 < ricky> I think with the latest mockup, when you click a button, that step disappears
20:15 -!- juank_prada [n=juanky at 200.114.52.44] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
20:15 < ricky> Here's the last mockup I know of: http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora/get-fedora
20:15 < juank_> hmm.. well.. the latest mockup i left on my fedorapeople space, the step doesnt dissapear
20:16 < juank_> http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/
20:16 < ricky> Oh :-)  My mistaske, then :-)
20:16 < juank_> sorry it actually is http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora
20:17 < ricky> All right, so we have one or two things to worry about
20:17 < juank_> and my complaint with this approach is that all these steps make you have to scroll all down the webiste to actually see the "download" buttom
20:18 < ricky> I think it'd be more confusing for the user if they accidentally clicked somewhere or tried a button out and the entire thing suddenly disappeared
20:18 < juank_> right
20:19 < ricky> One thing I was thinking was to have some text appear after a user makes a choice that shows their choice.  I don't know if that's necessary, though
20:19 < ricky> Ooh, so looking at the way it's done, it looks like translations aren't an issue
20:19 < juank_> i was thinking maybe adding a third column to the right whit the actual selection and the Download Button although im not sure if it will look that good
20:20 < ricky> Yeah - it's not all that common to have the most important links on the right
20:21 < juank_> i'll work a bit on this and make it look a bit smaller and make the Download link more noticable
20:21 < ricky> Cool
20:21 < ricky> Some other things we need to test:
20:22 < ricky> Make sure that it works without javascript turned on
20:22 < ricky> We might want a link to the old get-fedora for people that just want to choose and click
20:22 < juank_> yeap
20:22 < ricky> And maybe we should take out the "BANG" part :-)
20:23 < ricky> Not sure how well that translates, etc.
20:23 < juank_> i think i did that .. but im not sure if i uploaded it to fpeople :P
20:23 < ricky> Ah
20:23 < juank_> oh hehe well thats an easy one :P
20:24 < ricky> So I'll talk to releng to make sure that I get a list of exactly what files will be available
20:25 < ricky> So can you get an updated version online somewhere and post it to list along with your plans?
20:25 < juank_> im not sure i understood that part ^^
20:25 < juank_> i mean the raleng part
20:25 < juank_> releng
20:25 < ricky> Basically, just find out if we'll have ppc live cd or not and stuff like that
20:25 < juank_> oh.. ok
20:25 < ricky> We'll probably want a link to spins (or something similar to what we currently have now)
20:26 < juank_> sure.. i'll try to make it during this week
20:26 < ricky> All right - let me know if you need any help - I'll hopefully have some time to dedicate to getting this ready as well
20:26 < juank_> ok :)
20:27 < ricky> I want to get a publictest setup for this soon.  I'll probably have a test repo that gets updated more frequently
20:27 < juank_> yeah that would be good
20:28 < ricky> Did you see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-October/msg00011.html by the way?  
20:28 < ricky> :-(
20:28 < ricky> I don't think we should worry too much about that, though.
20:28 < juank_> nope.. let me check it now
20:29 < ricky> It wouldn't affect the main get-fedora page anyway
20:29 < juank_> yeah that would be for mirrors page right?
20:30 < ricky> Yeah, I guess.  I wonder if mdomsch could make those linked from mirrorlist (if they aren't already) instead
20:35 < ricky> OK, so anything else to discuss?
20:36 < juank_> i think not
20:37 < ricky> All right, then - so we know what we need to do, I'll get the publictest setup soon
20:37 < ricky> Thanks for coming, everybody
20:37 < juank_> ok then :)
20:37 < juank_> thanks ricky
20:37 < ianweller> thanks all
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From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 22:37:44 2008
From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:37:44 -0400
Subject: Meeting Log - 2008-10-13
In-Reply-To: <20081013204417.GA18436@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
References: <20081013204417.GA18436@sphe.res.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <dcfb610d0810131537j3aaefec7rdd2dd584befed727@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/13 Ricky Zhou <ricky at fedoraproject.org>:
> 20:00 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Who's Here?

<snip>

Hi all,

With regard to get-fedora, has everyone seen these ?

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-October/msg00017.html

http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/

I was under the impression work was being done/ planned for the above
? and not the version from the meeting log?

String freeze is approaching, let's get this straight before anyone
spends much effort in the wrong direction ...  let's nail this thing
:-}

Sorry for missing the meeting,

--
Craig



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Tue Oct 14 21:32:16 2008
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:32:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: adding releases to bodhi and cluttered menu
In-Reply-To: <20081014212736.GA4141@free.fr>
References: <20081014212736.GA4141@free.fr>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0810141631320.19173@laptop.mmcgrath.net>

Replying for discussion on the websites list:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Patrice Dumas wrote:

> Hello,
>
> This question is asked in the context of
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pertusus/Draft_keeping_infra_open_for_EOL
> which has not already been approved by FESCO, so this could have no
> follow-up, though I think that this issue is also relevant for EPEL.
>
> Till raised an interesting issue associated with adding more releases in
> bodhi: each release takes some place in the left menu. Another could
> still be right, but I think that 4 or more will certainly be
> problematic. Has this issue already been considered? What is the plan
> for EPEL when it switches to using bodhi? In addition to being there
> there will be in the end 3 to 5 EPEL versions in parallel so this is
> certainly an issue that will arise.
>
> Any comment, idea?
>
> If it ends up that for the proposal (or for EPEL) another bodhi server
> has to be set up, can you tell if it is easy rather easy to set up and
> administer or rather hard?
>

What does the websites team think?

	-Mike



From dev at nigelj.com  Tue Oct 14 21:47:40 2008
From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:47:40 +1300
Subject: adding releases to bodhi and cluttered menu
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0810141631320.19173@laptop.mmcgrath.net>
References: <20081014212736.GA4141@free.fr>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0810141631320.19173@laptop.mmcgrath.net>
Message-ID: <1224020860.3176.1.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz>

On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 16:32 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> Replying for discussion on the websites list:
> 
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Patrice Dumas wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > This question is asked in the context of
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pertusus/Draft_keeping_infra_open_for_EOL
> > which has not already been approved by FESCO, so this could have no
> > follow-up, though I think that this issue is also relevant for EPEL.
> >
> > Till raised an interesting issue associated with adding more releases in
> > bodhi: each release takes some place in the left menu. Another could
> > still be right, but I think that 4 or more will certainly be
> > problematic. Has this issue already been considered? What is the plan
> > for EPEL when it switches to using bodhi? In addition to being there
> > there will be in the end 3 to 5 EPEL versions in parallel so this is
> > certainly an issue that will arise.
> >
> > Any comment, idea?
Could this not be solved by something AJAXy? Click on the release you
want to deal with and then (and only then) the submenu appears?  Any
browsers/lynx that can handle that, can see the full menu though.
> >
> > If it ends up that for the proposal (or for EPEL) another bodhi server
> > has to be set up, can you tell if it is easy rather easy to set up and
> > administer or rather hard?
> >
> 
> What does the websites team think?
> 
> 	-Mike
> 
-- 
Nigel Jones <dev at nigelj.com>



From opensource at till.name  Wed Oct 15 08:25:19 2008
From: opensource at till.name (Till Maas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:25:19 +0200
Subject: adding releases to bodhi and cluttered menu
In-Reply-To: <1224020860.3176.1.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz>
References: <20081014212736.GA4141@free.fr>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0810141631320.19173@laptop.mmcgrath.net>
	<1224020860.3176.1.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz>
Message-ID: <200810151025.38441.opensource@till.name>

On Tue October 14 2008, Nigel Jones wrote:

> Could this not be solved by something AJAXy? Click on the release you
> want to deal with and then (and only then) the submenu appears?  Any
> browsers/lynx that can handle that, can see the full menu though.

You can do this probably completely with css, use this style for the submenu 
you do not want to get displayed:

visibility:hidden;
height:0px;

Regards,
Till
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From Matt_Domsch at dell.com  Wed Oct 15 13:13:33 2008
From: Matt_Domsch at dell.com (Matt Domsch)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:13:33 -0500
Subject: metalinks on "Advanced User" download page pls
Message-ID: <20081015131333.GA6982@auslistsprd01.us.dell.com>

In planning for the release candidate, I would like to see metalink
URLs to the ISOs added to the "Advanced User" download page.

As a reminder, URLs are of the form:

 https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?path=pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/10-RC/..../something.iso

where the path= argument matches exactly the full path using
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/...

Thanks,
Matt

-- 
Matt Domsch
Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO
linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux



From gfidente at redhat.com  Wed Oct 15 14:03:06 2008
From: gfidente at redhat.com (Giulio Fidente)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:03:06 +0200
Subject: About breaking GPL license and copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>		<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>		<16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>		<48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>	<da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>

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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Jon Stanley wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Rahul Sundaram
>> <sundaram at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>
>>> There is no need to translate. Refer http://www.linux-xp.com/. I haven't
>>> looked for source code.
>>
>> Interesting.  I tried the "Buy Now" and "Download Now" links on the
>> English version of the site and got nowhere. I do notice mention that
>> I have to register in order to use the product beyond a 30-day
>> evaluation period. I *think* that this may be an issue under GPLv3
>> section 6, if there is any GPLv3 software in the distro, which cannot
>> obviously be determined without a copy of it.
> 
> This is a Russian organization. I doubt we want to waste money trying to
> get a hold of this product to hunt down whether the restrictions on the
> end product is evasive of any specific license within. Wikipedia article
> states that they do not respond to email. It doesn't appear to have made
> any new releases and seems to be dead.

btw it is availabe for download at:

ftp://downloads.linux-xp.com/pub/linux-xp/desktop/2008/international/LXPD-2008-I-INTERNATIONAL-862-i386-DVD.iso

and or

ftp://downloads.linux-xp.com/pub/linux-xp/desktop/2008/international/LXPD-2008-I-INTERNATIONAL-862-i386-DVD.iso.torrent
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From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Wed Oct 15 14:33:06 2008
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:03:06 +0530
Subject: About breaking GPL license and copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>		<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>		<16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>		<48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>	<da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org> <48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <48F5FF22.6000603@fedoraproject.org>

Giulio Fidente wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Jon Stanley wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Rahul Sundaram
>>> <sundaram at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is no need to translate. Refer http://www.linux-xp.com/. I haven't
>>>> looked for source code.
>>> Interesting.  I tried the "Buy Now" and "Download Now" links on the
>>> English version of the site and got nowhere. I do notice mention that
>>> I have to register in order to use the product beyond a 30-day
>>> evaluation period. I *think* that this may be an issue under GPLv3
>>> section 6, if there is any GPLv3 software in the distro, which cannot
>>> obviously be determined without a copy of it.
>> This is a Russian organization. I doubt we want to waste money trying to
>> get a hold of this product to hunt down whether the restrictions on the
>> end product is evasive of any specific license within. Wikipedia article
>> states that they do not respond to email. It doesn't appear to have made
>> any new releases and seems to be dead.
> 
> btw it is availabe for download at:
> 
> ftp://downloads.linux-xp.com/pub/linux-xp/desktop/2008/international/LXPD-2008-I-INTERNATIONAL-862-i386-DVD.iso
> 
> and or
> 
> ftp://downloads.linux-xp.com/pub/linux-xp/desktop/2008/international/LXPD-2008-I-INTERNATIONAL-862-i386-DVD.iso.torrent

CC'ing fedora-legal list.

Rahul



From tcallawa at redhat.com  Wed Oct 15 15:03:37 2008
From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:03:37 -0400
Subject: [Fedora-legal-list] Re: About breaking GPL license and
 copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <48F5FF22.6000603@fedoraproject.org>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>
	<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>
	<16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>
	<da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org> <48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>
	<48F5FF22.6000603@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <1224083017.3270.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 20:03 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> CC'ing fedora-legal list.

Well, that's an awful lot of content without much context. Care to
explain what the legal concern is?

~spot



From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Wed Oct 15 15:06:44 2008
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:36:44 +0530
Subject: [Fedora-legal-list] Re: About breaking GPL license and
 copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <1224083017.3270.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>	
	<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>	
	<16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>	
	<48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>	
	<da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>	
	<48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org> <48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>	
	<48F5FF22.6000603@fedoraproject.org>
	<1224083017.3270.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <48F60704.1090809@fedoraproject.org>

Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 20:03 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> 
>> CC'ing fedora-legal list.
> 
> Well, that's an awful lot of content without much context. Care to
> explain what the legal concern is?

Linux-XP is a Fedora derived distribution and we got a mail to the 
webmaster's id (fedora-websites list) that this distribution is 
violating the GPL license by not distributing source code.

Rahul



From gfidente at redhat.com  Wed Oct 15 15:30:52 2008
From: gfidente at redhat.com (Giulio Fidente)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:30:52 +0200
Subject: [Fedora-legal-list] Re: About breaking GPL license and
 copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <48F60704.1090809@fedoraproject.org>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>		<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>		<16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>		<48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>		<da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>		<48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org>
	<48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>		<48F5FF22.6000603@fedoraproject.org>	<1224083017.3270.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<48F60704.1090809@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <48F60CAC.1070708@redhat.com>

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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
>> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 20:03 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>
>>> CC'ing fedora-legal list.
>>
>> Well, that's an awful lot of content without much context. Care to
>> explain what the legal concern is?
> 
> Linux-XP is a Fedora derived distribution and we got a mail to the
> webmaster's id (fedora-websites list) that this distribution is
> violating the GPL license by not distributing source code.

exploring the ftp I found this:

ftp://downloads.linux-xp.com/pub/sources_and_patches/SRPMS/
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From tcallawa at redhat.com  Wed Oct 15 15:46:59 2008
From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:46:59 -0400
Subject: [Fedora-legal-list] Re: About breaking GPL license and
 copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <48F60CAC.1070708@redhat.com>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>
	<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>
	<16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>
	<da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org> <48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>
	<48F5FF22.6000603@fedoraproject.org>
	<1224083017.3270.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<48F60704.1090809@fedoraproject.org>  <48F60CAC.1070708@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1224085619.3270.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 17:30 +0200, Giulio Fidente wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 20:03 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >>
> >>> CC'ing fedora-legal list.
> >>
> >> Well, that's an awful lot of content without much context. Care to
> >> explain what the legal concern is?
> > 
> > Linux-XP is a Fedora derived distribution and we got a mail to the
> > webmaster's id (fedora-websites list) that this distribution is
> > violating the GPL license by not distributing source code.
> 
> exploring the ftp I found this:
> 
> ftp://downloads.linux-xp.com/pub/sources_and_patches/SRPMS/

Looks like they're distributing some source code. Are there specific
areas of concern?

~spot



From milan.kerslager at pslib.cz  Tue Oct 14 08:56:00 2008
From: milan.kerslager at pslib.cz (Milan =?iso-8859-2?B?S2VyuWzhZ2Vy?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:56:00 +0200
Subject: Unable reset password (500 Internal error)
Message-ID: <20081014085600.GA15970@opteron.pslib.cz>

Hi,

my Fedoraproject password has been set as expired. But I'm unable to
reset my password because your server return "500 Internal error", when
I'm trying to submit new password on your special page (I got the mail
for password change).

Milan

-- 
                            Milan Kerslager
                            http://www.pslib.cz/ke/
                            http://www.nti.tul.cz/wiki/Milan.Kerslager



From mao at tumblingdice.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 10:28:42 2008
From: mao at tumblingdice.co.uk (=?utf-8?q?=22Mark=20O=27Neill=22?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:28:42 +0100
Subject: Contributing to Fedora ...
Message-ID: <1223980122308@names.co.uk>

I wish to contribute a free software development which uses Fedora-core but
don''t know quite how to go
about it. I have put together a package based on coLinux and FC6/FC8 which
enables an XP or Vista box
to host a fully function fedora core based Linux system as a geuest
operating system. It offers all (or most)
of the features one would expect in a full Fedora core distribution.

The problems I am having is that non of the open-source sites have the space
to host a project several
gigabytes in size -- do you know of any way I can get this hosted? Uptake
would like to be good - I have
had many requests for the system which I am supplying on an as-is basis via
DVD at the moment.


Yours sincerely

Mark O'Neill



From jwboyer at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 16:51:32 2008
From: jwboyer at gmail.com (Josh Boyer)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:51:32 -0400
Subject: [Fedora-legal-list] Re: About breaking GPL license and
	copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <da159fda0810150949p4d24c2acuecbabbadfb7b7090@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>
	<da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org> <48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>
	<48F5FF22.6000603@fedoraproject.org>
	<1224083017.3270.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<48F60704.1090809@fedoraproject.org> <48F60CAC.1070708@redhat.com>
	<1224085619.3270.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<da159fda0810150949p4d24c2acuecbabbadfb7b7090@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081015165132.GC19156@yoda.jdub.homelinux.org>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:49:07PM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
>On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Tom spot Callaway <tcallawa at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks like they're distributing some source code. Are there specific
>> areas of concern?
>
>According to the website, the software requires activation and payment
>to use it beyond 30 days. My main concern was that this *may* run
>afoul of section 6 of GPLv3 if there's any GPLv3 licensed software in
>there, but IANAL and that language is sort of murky to me.

And why is that Fedora's concern?  That would be linux-xp's violation,
no?

josh



From jonstanley at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 16:49:07 2008
From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:49:07 -0400
Subject: [Fedora-legal-list] Re: About breaking GPL license and
	copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <1224085619.3270.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>
	<48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>
	<da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org> <48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>
	<48F5FF22.6000603@fedoraproject.org>
	<1224083017.3270.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<48F60704.1090809@fedoraproject.org> <48F60CAC.1070708@redhat.com>
	<1224085619.3270.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <da159fda0810150949p4d24c2acuecbabbadfb7b7090@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Tom spot Callaway <tcallawa at redhat.com> wrote:

> Looks like they're distributing some source code. Are there specific
> areas of concern?

According to the website, the software requires activation and payment
to use it beyond 30 days. My main concern was that this *may* run
afoul of section 6 of GPLv3 if there's any GPLv3 licensed software in
there, but IANAL and that language is sort of murky to me.

Other than that, I'm not sure that there's any real concern. I'm
downloading a copy of the software now to check for de-branding
issues, etc. Will report back with findings.



From skvidal at fedoraproject.org  Wed Oct 15 18:39:27 2008
From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:39:27 -0400
Subject: Contributing to Fedora ...
In-Reply-To: <1223980122308@names.co.uk>
References: <1223980122308@names.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1224095967.21581.19.camel@rosebud>

On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 11:28 +0100, "Mark O'Neill" wrote:
> I wish to contribute a free software development which uses Fedora-core but
> don''t know quite how to go
> about it. I have put together a package based on coLinux and FC6/FC8 which
> enables an XP or Vista box
> to host a fully function fedora core based Linux system as a geuest
> operating system. It offers all (or most)
> of the features one would expect in a full Fedora core distribution.
> 
> The problems I am having is that non of the open-source sites have the space
> to host a project several
> gigabytes in size -- do you know of any way I can get this hosted? Uptake
> would like to be good - I have
> had many requests for the system which I am supplying on an as-is basis via
> DVD at the moment.
> 

Interesting: Is there a process/program a user on XP/Vista can go use to
take a normal Fedora DVD or LiveCD and turn it into a guest?  If so it
would probably be best for us to host the program/process and document
it for the user.

But in general I think we'd be interested in it.

Also, is it free software?

thanks,
-sv




From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Wed Oct 15 20:57:20 2008
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:27:20 +0530
Subject: [Fedora-legal-list] Re: About breaking GPL license
 and	copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <20081015165132.GC19156@yoda.jdub.homelinux.org>
References: <48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>	<da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>	<48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org>
	<48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>	<48F5FF22.6000603@fedoraproject.org>	<1224083017.3270.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<48F60704.1090809@fedoraproject.org>
	<48F60CAC.1070708@redhat.com>	<1224085619.3270.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<da159fda0810150949p4d24c2acuecbabbadfb7b7090@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081015165132.GC19156@yoda.jdub.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <48F65930.3030609@fedoraproject.org>

Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:49:07PM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Tom spot Callaway <tcallawa at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like they're distributing some source code. Are there specific
>>> areas of concern?
>> According to the website, the software requires activation and payment
>> to use it beyond 30 days. My main concern was that this *may* run
>> afoul of section 6 of GPLv3 if there's any GPLv3 licensed software in
>> there, but IANAL and that language is sort of murky to me.
> 
> And why is that Fedora's concern?  That would be linux-xp's violation,
> no?

If a derivative distribution is violating the licenses collectively, it 
is also misusing the work done within Fedora. That should make it our 
concern as well, I would think.

Rahul



From pemboa at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 19:16:27 2008
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:16:27 -0500
Subject: [Fedora-legal-list] Re: About breaking GPL license and
	copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <20081015165132.GC19156@yoda.jdub.homelinux.org>
References: <48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>
	<48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org> <48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>
	<48F5FF22.6000603@fedoraproject.org>
	<1224083017.3270.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<48F60704.1090809@fedoraproject.org> <48F60CAC.1070708@redhat.com>
	<1224085619.3270.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<da159fda0810150949p4d24c2acuecbabbadfb7b7090@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081015165132.GC19156@yoda.jdub.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <16de708d0810151216y15f07751hb915296d058cbe2c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:49:07PM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
>>On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Tom spot Callaway <tcallawa at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like they're distributing some source code. Are there specific
>>> areas of concern?
>>
>>According to the website, the software requires activation and payment
>>to use it beyond 30 days. My main concern was that this *may* run
>>afoul of section 6 of GPLv3 if there's any GPLv3 licensed software in
>>there, but IANAL and that language is sort of murky to me.
>
> And why is that Fedora's concern?  That would be linux-xp's violation,
> no?
>
> josh

Basically, a random web user reported that Linux XP was a derivative
of Fedora, was not providing code, thereby violating the GPL.

What you are seeing, is part of a seemingly ongoing, casual attempt to
investigate the report for any validity before it is/was passed on to
legal.

I personally don't think this is a big issue, but just assisted a bit
in the collection of data so that someone who cares and is responsible
can decided wether this warrants a proper investigation.

-- 
Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin
( www.pembo13.com )



From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Wed Oct 15 16:01:26 2008
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:31:26 +0530
Subject: [Fedora-legal-list] Re: About breaking GPL license and
 copyrights on Fedora Core.
In-Reply-To: <1224085619.3270.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <000601c92b0a$b5bc65a0$6500a8c0@Creo>	
	<48EFC6F9.4000504@fedoraproject.org>	
	<16de708d0810101427n59a5b75fr274485fce540f073@mail.gmail.com>	
	<48EFCBC9.5060906@fedoraproject.org>	
	<da159fda0810101454w20ebe244p115102f4a70d0d69@mail.gmail.com>	
	<48EFCFF1.6020708@fedoraproject.org> <48F5F81A.10800@redhat.com>	
	<48F5FF22.6000603@fedoraproject.org>	
	<1224083017.3270.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>	
	<48F60704.1090809@fedoraproject.org> <48F60CAC.1070708@redhat.com>
	<1224085619.3270.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <48F613D6.6010401@fedoraproject.org>

Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 17:30 +0200, Giulio Fidente wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>> Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 20:03 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> CC'ing fedora-legal list.
>>>> Well, that's an awful lot of content without much context. Care to
>>>> explain what the legal concern is?
>>> Linux-XP is a Fedora derived distribution and we got a mail to the
>>> webmaster's id (fedora-websites list) that this distribution is
>>> violating the GPL license by not distributing source code.
>> exploring the ftp I found this:
>>
>> ftp://downloads.linux-xp.com/pub/sources_and_patches/SRPMS/
> 
> Looks like they're distributing some source code. Are there specific
> areas of concern?

We can ask the original poster (CC'ed). The threads starts at

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-October/msg00044.html

Rahul



From opensource at till.name  Wed Oct 15 21:04:33 2008
From: opensource at till.name (Till Maas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:04:33 +0200
Subject: Contributing to Fedora ...
In-Reply-To: <1224095967.21581.19.camel@rosebud>
References: <1223980122308@names.co.uk> <1224095967.21581.19.camel@rosebud>
Message-ID: <200810152304.40759.opensource@till.name>

On Wed October 15 2008, seth vidal wrote:

> Interesting: Is there a process/program a user on XP/Vista can go use to
> take a normal Fedora DVD or LiveCD and turn it into a guest?  If so it
> would probably be best for us to host the program/process and document
> it for the user.
>
> But in general I think we'd be interested in it.
>
> Also, is it free software?

Here are some links about it:

http://www.colinux.org/
https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=98788

They do also provide a Fedora image btw. I tried it only once and after some 
changes to a .bat file, it worked pretty good on a windows within a vmware 
server.

Regards,
Till
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From stickster at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 13:09:43 2008
From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:09:43 -0400
Subject: preparing websites content for Fedora 10
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On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 15:35 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote:
> Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 02:00:34PM -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ wrote:
> >> Paul W. Frields wrote:
> >>> New to Linux?  Unsure of      Do you know what kind of
> >>> your computer's hardware?     processor you have, or
> >>> Select this option.           what kind of Fedora you
> >>>                               want?  Select this option. 
> >>>
> >>>        fedora			    fedora
> >>>    [FOR BEGINNERS] 	         [FOR EXPERTS]
> >> the above looks like a splash screen :( splash screens inconvenience
> >> everybody... no matter which line you're supposed to stand in,
> >> you've got to click, and it absolves the designer from choosing a
> >> default audience to cater to and puts the work on the users of all
> >> audiences instead (both have to read the explanatory text and make
> >> an explicit decision rather than at least half getting right to work
> >> right away).
> >>
> >> i think instead of a 'turn left for x, turn right for y' approach we
> >> should just cater to beginners by default because they're beginners
> >> and need it. so by default present the beginner's x86 desktop live
> >> cd download link front and center. then require an additional click
> >> to get to the 'experts' part. (this is the point behind
> >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/)
> > 
> > Wow, that's a nice design -- completely different than what I had in
> > mind, but I love it!  I hadn't seen your other response when I posted
> > this, so I understand your reasoning.
> 
> Yeh, I still haven't received Max's message. I see it on the
> archives though. I think that mail delivery for some of the lists is
> messed up.

Can we use "Intel-compatible PCs" instead of "i686" on your shinier,
friendlier get-fedora draft?  More people know what the former means
than the latter, guessing by the "Do I want i686?" questions on forums
and #fedora.  People who specifically want 64-bit typically know they
have that kind of machine.

-- 
Paul W. Frields
  gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233  5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
  http://paul.frields.org/   -  -   http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
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From stickster at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 13:14:35 2008
From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:14:35 -0400
Subject: Contributing to Fedora ...
In-Reply-To: <200810152304.40759.opensource@till.name>
References: <1223980122308@names.co.uk> <1224095967.21581.19.camel@rosebud>
	<200810152304.40759.opensource@till.name>
Message-ID: <1224162875.19681.17.camel@victoria-eth>

On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 23:04 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
> On Wed October 15 2008, seth vidal wrote:
> 
> > Interesting: Is there a process/program a user on XP/Vista can go use to
> > take a normal Fedora DVD or LiveCD and turn it into a guest?  If so it
> > would probably be best for us to host the program/process and document
> > it for the user.
> >
> > But in general I think we'd be interested in it.
> >
> > Also, is it free software?
> 
> Here are some links about it:
> 
> http://www.colinux.org/
> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=98788
> 
> They do also provide a Fedora image btw. I tried it only once and after some 
> changes to a .bat file, it worked pretty good on a windows within a vmware 
> server.

coLinux itself is GPLv2, looking at the source snapshot.  That's pretty
cool.

-- 
Paul W. Frields
  gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233  5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
  http://paul.frields.org/   -  -   http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
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From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Thu Oct 16 20:50:37 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:50:37 -0400
Subject: Test Site/Repo
Message-ID: <20081016205037.GE11844@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

There is now a test websites instance at
http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/.  This is generated every 10
minutes from a fedora-web.test repo, which all members of the web group
should have write access to.

git clone ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.test.git

Feel free to experiment around/develop in here.  In particular, we'll
hopefully be testing get-fedora changes in this repo.  Before merging
them into the main one.  

Enjoy,
Ricky
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From vrteach at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 15:05:45 2008
From: vrteach at gmail.com (Erich Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:05:45 -0500
Subject: Addition to YumUpgradeFAQ
Message-ID: <4a589ea0810160805q5972825udda17ec31c2502a@mail.gmail.com>

In moving from F8 to F9 I find that I have to to the following before
doing the "yum upgrade"

yum update fedora-release

That changes to update repo to the update-newkey repo, which fixes a
bunch of dependency problems.

-- 
--
eks
http://vrteach.org/banjo/
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From leroys103 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 17 17:40:41 2008
From: leroys103 at comcast.net (leroys103 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:40:41 +0000
Subject: [SPAM] 
Message-ID: <101720081740.1128.48F8CE1900076F3D000004682216549976CCCFCE9C97019D0A04@comcast.net>

Dear Sirs,
I have been getting email through your IP Address. If I give you the source information from the email heading can you verify for me the originator of the email as he claims to be. I do not necessarily need to know if it is not who it is but confirmation if it is who he says it is coming from. I hope this makes sense. If the following information is of a Lloyd Branch bank that is all I need to know. If it is not a Lloyd Branch can you let me know that it is not.
Thank you,
Steven Le Roy
leroys103 at comcast.net
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:16:07 +0000
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From ivazqueznet at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 18:56:18 2008
From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:56:18 -0400
Subject: [SPAM]
In-Reply-To: <101720081740.1128.48F8CE1900076F3D000004682216549976CCCFCE9C97019D0A04@comcast.net>
References: <101720081740.1128.48F8CE1900076F3D000004682216549976CCCFCE9C97019D0A04@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1224269778.13861.169.camel@ignacio.lan>

On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 17:40 +0000, leroys103 at comcast.net wrote:
> Dear Sirs,
> I have been getting email through your IP Address. If I give you the
> source information from the email heading can you verify for me the
> originator of the email as he claims to be. I do not necessarily need
> to know if it is not who it is but confirmation if it is who he says
> it is coming from. I hope this makes sense. If the following
> information is of a Lloyd Branch bank that is all I need to know. If
> it is not a Lloyd Branch can you let me know that it is not.
> Thank you,
> Steven Le Roy

> X-Originating-IP: [213.185.118.241]

That is a test page included with our operating system; we don't
actually control the site in question.  For more information, please
refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage.

To determine the actual owner, you should do a whois lookup of the
address.  

-- 
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet at gmail.com>
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From ernest.schleicher at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 21:57:32 2008
From: ernest.schleicher at gmail.com (Ernest Schleicher)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:57:32 -0700
Subject: How to remove me from fedoraproject.org/wiki page?
Message-ID: <1224280652.5310.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>





From pemboa at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 22:32:14 2008
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:32:14 -0500
Subject: How to remove me from fedoraproject.org/wiki page?
In-Reply-To: <1224280652.5310.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1224280652.5310.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <16de708d0810171532k10202ab5n42c11461aef933f2@mail.gmail.com>

He seems to be listed here:
 * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ErnestSchleicher
 * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification


-- 
Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin
( www.pembo13.com )



From kwade at redhat.com  Sun Oct 19 07:26:14 2008
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:26:14 -0700
Subject: How to remove me from fedoraproject.org/wiki page?
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0810171532k10202ab5n42c11461aef933f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1224280652.5310.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<16de708d0810171532k10202ab5n42c11461aef933f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1224401174.28571.325.camel@calliope.phig.org>


On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 17:32 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> He seems to be listed here:
>  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ErnestSchleicher
>  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification

Here's the big story.  Fedora Project has a privacy policy that says
someone can have their personal data removed at request.[1]  All other
content is covered by the contributor license agreement (CLA), so is
open content and not under the privacy policy.

The question then is, whose responsibility is it to ...

* Take a personal data removal request;
* Confirm it is legitimate;
* Perform or authorize the removal

Based on the fact that I had to involve Fedora Infrastructure last time,
and they are the ones in the best position to verify ownership and
remove private data, I'm proposing that:

1. The responsibility is Fedora Infrastructure's;
2. For every apparent or real request we get to remove private data, we
direct the requester to fill out a ticket at
http://fedorahosted.org/infrastructure, using the FAS account they want
removed.

If there any questions, problems, etc. from there, Infra is in the best
position to resolve.

Seem like a sane idea?

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/PrivacyPolicy#How_to_Access.2C_Modify_or_Update_Your_Information
-- 
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From juankprada at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 22:53:50 2008
From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:53:50 -0500
Subject: New design for Get-fedora section
Message-ID: <bdc7fd3a0810191553n3d618729v94ecb0e00d0ea7e4@mail.gmail.com>

hello guys, so its me again showing here the new design for the get-fedora
section.

As planed for Fedora 10 release the get-fedora section should be changed
providing a better interface for new users (and old users as well) to get
the installation media.
This new design tries to help new users while not getting in the way of
experienced users who wants to download Fedora, as well as providing links
to mirrors, spins and torrent files, also some information was added to make
each choice more understandable following some old ideas that i've worked on
before[1]

So, please check the publicktest15[2] and give some feedback on the design.
Also (and this goes specially to the art team ^^ ) the icons that are
displayed on the new design are not the ones that should be used, those were
taken from google and i'm not sure about any legal issues they might have
so, i would like to know if we already have some similar icons to those on
the Echo Icon theme, as it would be good the icons fit that theme. If we do
have them please let me know where to find them and if we dont have them
so... is anyone willing to help making the icons to replace the current ones
on the new design :) ?

Im open to any feedback you can provide

[1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora
[2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora

Juank
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From duffy at fedoraproject.org  Sun Oct 19 23:49:30 2008
From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (Mairin Duffy)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:49:30 -0400
Subject: New design for Get-fedora section
In-Reply-To: <bdc7fd3a0810191553n3d618729v94ecb0e00d0ea7e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bdc7fd3a0810191553n3d618729v94ecb0e00d0ea7e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FBC78A.80506@fedoraproject.org>

Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda wrote:
> Im open to any feedback you can provide
> 
> [1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora
> [2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora

This doesn' t look like:

http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/

~m



From juankprada at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 00:38:17 2008
From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:38:17 -0500
Subject: New design for Get-fedora section
In-Reply-To: <48FBC78A.80506@fedoraproject.org>
References: <bdc7fd3a0810191553n3d618729v94ecb0e00d0ea7e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48FBC78A.80506@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <1224463097.8871.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 19:49 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote:
> Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda wrote:
> > Im open to any feedback you can provide
> > 
> > [1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora
> > [2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora
> 
> This doesn' t look like:
> 
> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/
> 
> ~m

Not sure what you mean by that, but taking a look at what you have
there, i would say that the first section where the Desktop live media
is promoted as the only option to download, might be good to use it in
the home page, as we discussed some time ago (if in previous meetings
you all changed your mind and decided that this was the way to go then
please ignore this comment). 

Now, the information on how to upgrade fedora seems very useful but im
not sure if it should be there or in any other sub-page linked from the
get-fedora section, that might be something to discuss (again if this
was discussed before ignore this).

The other download options is pretty much the same i have on the third
column although yours looks more polished. I'm gonna try an change the
style on the third column to make it look more like what you have there
and see how it looks-

-- 
Juan Camilo Prada <jprada at fedoraproject.org>



From kwade at redhat.com  Mon Oct 20 00:45:42 2008
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:45:42 -0700
Subject: New design for Get-fedora section
In-Reply-To: <48FBC78A.80506@fedoraproject.org>
References: <bdc7fd3a0810191553n3d618729v94ecb0e00d0ea7e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48FBC78A.80506@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <1224463542.21380.43.camel@calliope.phig.org>


On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 19:49 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote:
> Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda wrote:
> > Im open to any feedback you can provide
> > 
> > [1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora
> > [2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora
> 
> This doesn' t look like:
> 
> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/

There may have been some confusion from the last meeting on IRC?  I saw
some ambivalence.

My best recollection from discussions here is that Mairin's design had
the consensus, mainly because it was focused on doing less with less.
It pushes aside everything but "get this one thing now."

The wizard/choice tree approach seems to work best with a divided
audience with variations on need.  Our highest goal for get-fedora is
different, though:  two uses cases ("I don't know what I need","I know
just what I need"); we're serving the don't-know people on the one page;
and pushing all the content for do-know people to specialty pages.

If we had a Fedora Live for 64-bit and PPC, does the Apache session
capture the architecture of the client?  That might be an interesting
one, to offer an arch-specific download.

- Karsten
-- 
Karsten Wade, Community Gardener
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From duffy at fedoraproject.org  Mon Oct 20 00:46:30 2008
From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (Mairin Duffy)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:46:30 -0400
Subject: New design for Get-fedora section
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Juan Camilo Prada wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 19:49 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote:
>> Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda wrote:
>>> Im open to any feedback you can provide
>>>
>>> [1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora
>>> [2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora
>> This doesn' t look like:
>>
>> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/
>>
>> ~m
> 
> Not sure what you mean by that, but taking a look at what you have
> there, i would say that the first section where the Desktop live media
> is promoted as the only option to download, might be good to use it in
> the home page, as we discussed some time ago (if in previous meetings
> you all changed your mind and decided that this was the way to go then
> please ignore this comment). 

Maybe I don't recall the last of the many, many discussions we've had on 
this page but I kind of thought there had been some consensus on the 
design link I posted... which was done based on feedback on this list 
about the first few designs.

As I believe was mentioned the last time this page was discussed, we 
really need to avoid a field of buttons and widgets all over the page. 
This does not make getting Fedora simple. In fact, I believe we had 
discussed the first page being simple, and there being a more advanced 
page that maybe could look like the mockup you've done? (Am I going senile?)
> 
> Now, the information on how to upgrade fedora seems very useful but im
> not sure if it should be there or in any other sub-page linked from the
> get-fedora section, that might be something to discuss (again if this
> was discussed before ignore this).

I think maybe you might want to check the list archives to see the 
discussion because I think you may have missed it.
> 
> The other download options is pretty much the same i have on the third
> column although yours looks more polished. I'm gonna try an change the
> style on the third column to make it look more like what you have there
> and see how it looks-

Can you implement the page as it is in the mockup?

~m



From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Mon Oct 20 08:01:39 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:01:39 -0400
Subject: Meeting Reminder: Tomorrow 22:00 UTC
Message-ID: <20081020080139.GA11595@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

Just a reminder: we'll be having a websites meeting a 22:00 UTC
tomorrow.  The goal will be to get all get-fedora details hammered out
for good.

See you there,
Ricky
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From pribyl at lowlevel.cz  Mon Oct 20 17:05:06 2008
From: pribyl at lowlevel.cz (Adam Pribyl)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:05:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: New design for Get-fedora section
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2008, Mairin Duffy wrote:

> Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda wrote:
>> Im open to any feedback you can provide
>> 
>> [1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora
>> [2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora
>
> This doesn' t look like:
>
> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/

There is already a contest for the design of this page? Where could we 
vote? :)

>
> ~m
>

Adam Pribyl



From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Mon Oct 20 23:01:11 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:01:11 -0400
Subject: Meeting Log - 2008-10-20
Message-ID: <20081020230111.GB11595@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

21:59 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites - Who's Here?
21:59 < juank_prada> ok then lets go for the one click method
22:00  * juank_prada is here somehow
22:00  * CB6 is here 
22:00 < ricky> I guess ianweller_food's at dinner now
22:00 -!- Irssi: #fedora-websites: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
22:00 < CB6> nope he's at food :P
22:00 < ricky> quaid: Are you around?
22:01 < ricky> All right, so I thought we'd just go through the tasks really quickly, and then continue discussing get-fedora
22:01 -!- nman64 [n=n-man at fedora/nman64] has quit Remote closed the connection
22:01 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites - Tasks
22:01 < ricky> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks
22:02 < ricky> No update on usability research yet, although as mizmo-out said, anybody help out by just getting people to download Fedora using various options, etc.
22:03 < ricky> quaid: Any update on the great CMS search, or is there too much docs stuff going on before release at the moment?
22:03 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk
22:04 < CB6> I thought that was already found?
22:04 < ricky> Nope, or at least I never saw any recent discussion about it on the websites, docs, or infrastructure lists.
22:06 < ricky> I guess this will probably come up more after the release - docs stuff must be pretty crazy now :_)
22:06 < ricky> **:-)
22:06 < ricky> fedoraproject.org/contact - thanks to ylynfatt for getting this page done
22:06 < ricky> Hopefully it'll reduce a lot of misdirected webmaster@ emails
22:06 < CB6> http://cmscritic.com/
22:06 < ricky> Anybody have comments/suggestions for this page?
22:07 < juank_prada> i would reduce the screenshot size though
22:07 < ricky> Hmm, by how much?  The text is already barely legible at the current isze
22:08 < ricky> **size
22:08 < CB6> http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ this site compares diff CMS
22:08 < ricky> Do you mean that it should be squarer?
22:08 < juank_prada> not really
22:08 < CB6> can you add lightbox to it?
22:08 < juank_prada> well im not sure.. bit i find that such a big image is just way to much for an informative site
22:09 < CB6> SEO ... content is king
22:09 < ricky> For a single image, I think lightbox is probably - we can probably make it smaller and link it to a larger screenshot, though
22:09 < juank_prada> sounds better
22:09 < CB6> wonder if we could add lightbox into wiki.. lol would be nice
22:10 < CB6> would sure clean the site up
22:10 < ricky> juank_prada: Feel free to test those changes in fedora-web.test and we can get those pushed
22:10 < ricky> Any other thoughts on this (particularly about the content/wording)
22:11 < juank_prada> ok as soon as i have the time i'll do it :)
22:11 < ricky> Cool, thanks
22:11 < ricky> a0
22:11 < ricky> Oops
22:11 < ricky> All right, then
22:12 < ricky> tw2113 isn't around to talk about docs.fp.o - last I heard, it just needed some polishing up
22:12 < ricky> (Anybody is free to help him out with this, by the way)
22:12 -!- giarc [n=cwt at ool-435162cf.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #fedora-websites
22:13 < ricky> giarc: Hey :-)
22:13 < ricky> ianweller_food's at food, so we'll skip the MW one
22:14 < giarc> ricky, hi
22:14 < ricky> On the infrastructure side of things - I'll be freezing the website to what's in git right now shortly, so if there are any pressing changes, make them today
22:15 -!- ianweller_food is now known as ianweller
22:15 < ricky> Also, we now have a fedora-web.test repo, which http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/ gets built from every 10 minutes
22:15 < ricky> It's open to anybody in the web group, so feel free to mess around and try stuff out on that one
22:15 < ricky> Nothing on spins.fp.o recently
22:15 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites - get-fedora
22:16 < ianweller> oh dear.
22:16 < ricky> Heh.
22:16 < ricky> So we had this huge discussion about get-fedora before the meeting :-)
22:16 < ianweller> i'm so confused :P
22:17 < CB6> about what?
22:17 < ricky> It's looking like we'll be building on http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/ for the main get-fedora page, and keep something similar to what we have now for the "experienced users" page
22:17 < ianweller> about the get-fedora conversation we had earlier
22:17  * juank_prada is unhappy with current aproach but is willing to help on that
22:17 < ricky> What aren't you clear about?  :-)
22:17 < ianweller> but i'll let ricky summarize it for meeting purposes ;)
22:18 < CB6> I agree with the whole confusion part.. when I first started with computers it was insane with all the different protocols, and then not really knowing which OS to select. There should be an option to explain things on the side IF people want it
22:18 < ricky> I think that's something that's covered in the install guide
22:18 < ricky> (in-depth explanation of every single option)
22:18 < ricky> So for those that don't mind documentation, the info is there
22:19 < ianweller> i think if we cover ppc and kde in the sidebar i really like mizmo-out's design
22:19 < ricky> (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-new-users.html#sn-howto-download)
22:19 < CB6> http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora should be an OR button between the two protocols otherwise it will confuse
22:19 < ianweller> we really need to fix our torrents page. more organization. but that's another topic
22:19 < ianweller> if we're going to direct people to torrents.fp.o for main torrents
22:19 < ricky> Yeah, definitely
22:20 < ianweller> i guess maybe i could help with that.
22:20 < ianweller> i feel like i've been slacking on the websites front
22:20 < CB6> no need to waste peoples time and resources when a simple "or" would solve it lol
22:20 < ricky> The point is to make it as easy as possible, even if it means showing the most common option on the main get-fedora page
22:21 < ricky> All of the options are still completely exposed to users that know what they want
22:21 < giarc> are we use this:
22:21 < giarc> http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora
22:21 < CB6> Options is what linux is all about :)
22:21 < juank_prada> i dont see an OR as confusing thing... you either get A or B
22:21 < giarc> for those users ?
22:21 < ianweller> ricky: i need to talk with you sometime about working on torrents.fp.o. hopefully i can remember tomorrow
22:22 < ricky> ianweller: Sure thing, I can show you where all of the scripts, for making that are - just ping me whenever you're interested
22:22 < CB6> Select A or B is pretty straight forward everyone has a multiple choice test LOL..
22:22 < ricky> juank_prada: It can be confusing if the person doesn't know what each means
22:23 < ricky> Multiple-choice tests can be failed, single-choice tests can't :-)
22:23  * ricky wins the bad analogy contest :-P
22:23 < ianweller> CB6: a simple "install or upgrade" is much easier than a "live cd or dvd AND architechture AND delivery method"
22:23 < giarc> ricky, are we planning on using this get-fedora at publictest15 for the 'users who know what they are looking around for' ?
22:23 < juank_prada> single choices restrict your freedom ^^
22:23 < CB6> ianweller totally...
22:23 < ianweller> juank_prada: and that's why we have sidebars!
22:23 < ricky> giarc: For users that know what they want, we'll probably use http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora, since they probably already know exactly what they want
22:23 < ianweller> i think we're moving into pre-meeting discussion+rant+thing btw
22:24 < giarc> ok
22:24 < ricky> (So 1 click for those people vs. going through a wizard)
22:24 < CB6> yep
22:24 < ricky> Nobody's freedom is being restricted - all choices are still available
22:24 < ricky> We're just showing the most common useful one the most prominently
22:24 < CB6> can always click back lol
22:25 < ianweller> i'm +1 for mizmo's design, as long as we have a summary over ppc and kde in the sidebar.
22:25 < ricky> That's why we need to make sure that the sidebar handles the special cases well
22:25 < ianweller> and if we include the multiple-cd set alongside the upgrade DVD
22:25 < giarc> i like the page at publictest15, but think we are doing the right thing by using mizmo-out 's design
22:25 < CB6> would be cool if respin etc was all there
22:25 < ianweller> CB6: 'see all spins'
22:25 < ricky> It's already linked from there :-)
22:26 < ianweller> which spins.fp.o is another project. ;P
22:26 < CB6> http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora I quite like how this is laid out
22:26 < ricky> Everything is downloadable within two clicks from get-fedora, with the vaaast majority of people getting it in one click
22:27 < ricky> CB6: I love how that was designed as well, but it still ends up presenting a large number of users with options that they don't need
22:27 < ianweller> the pt15 one looks VERY sleek and professional, but i think mizmo-out's wins by content/usability
22:27 < juank_prada> from my point of view we are divergin the user to lots of different pages just to get different (yet similar) things while they could get most of them in one single page... im not a usabillity expert but i rather have to click three times on a page than waiting for the server to show up another page
22:27 < giarc> ianweller, right
22:27 < ricky> juank_prada: The vaaast majority of people will just get it in one click, though
22:28 < ricky> I think it's perfectly fine to make people that already know what they want make that extra click to get to the "experienced user" page
22:28 < CB6> Do we have test servers pinging to see what servers have what content up etc?
22:28 < ianweller> i think anyone who clicks the experienced user page also knows how to work their way around the mirrors ;)
22:28 < ianweller> but that's another hasty generalization that can cause people to start yelling at me
22:28 < ricky> CB6: Yeah, there's a mirror crawler, which is how download.fp.o knows where to redirect people
22:29 < CB6> cool
22:29 < ricky> (mdomsch is the mastermind behind all of the mirrors stuff, if you're interested in how that works)
22:29 < ricky> OK, so let's try to distill this into what we need to get done
22:29 < ianweller> mdomsch is a magician :D
22:30 < ianweller> 1) write sidebar content
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22:30 < juank_prada> ok im not saying anything else about get-fedora, just lets start coding mizmo-out' mockup
22:30 < ricky> The main two things are: Sidebar links (make sure that they catch inexperienced users that need something other than i686 Desktop Live CD)
22:30 < ricky> and having links to the upgrade guide/"How do I use this file?"
22:30 < juank_prada> i think the site will look way to overwhelmed by links... specially the sidebar
22:31 < ianweller> maybe a sidebar with the heading "What?" would work :P
22:31 < ricky> Hehe
22:31 < CB6> As far as I'm concerned as long as people can get the right content as fast as they want then great. I just want to insure all the options are readily available to everyone.
22:31 < ianweller> CB6: they will be, don't you worry :D
22:31 < ricky> CB6: They are - it'll be on a page just like http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora
22:31 < ianweller> are we gonna move the current get-fedora to get-more-fedora
22:31 < ianweller> or something liek that
22:32 < CB6> As long as we don't bombard people with garbage like Microsoft.. there's really no flow to their sites
22:32 < ricky> ianweller: Probably - haven't thought about the name yet :-)
22:32 < ricky> quaid: Are you around for a quick docs question?
22:33 < giarc> what date do we need to be done by? for translations?
22:33 < ricky> I told the l10n team that we'd try to give them 3 weeks before release (which is hopefully more than they need)
22:34 < ricky> That gives us around 2 weeks to have the strings for the English version finished
22:34 < giarc> so 2008-11-03 ?
22:34 < ricky> Yup
22:35 < giarc> do we know what we are putting in the sidebar?
22:36 < ricky> All right, so I'll ask some docs people for the docs links under resoures
22:36 < ricky> giarc: Sounds like a good thing to get out there
22:36 < ricky> So there are a few options..  They could have an arch that's not i686, or they might want the KDE spin, for example
22:37 < CB6> Why is there no search function on fedoraproject? Is it just too much of a resource hog?
22:37 < ricky> CB6: daMaestro has done some work on a search - you might be able to talk to him about that
22:37 < juank_prada> CB6, most of fp.o is static content and a search engine would probably need some databes content to index the info
22:38 < giarc> which are the most popular spins?
22:38 < giarc> KDE
22:38 < CB6> title of the page is one of the most important components of SEO
22:38 < ricky> Well, KDE and Desktop are only ones that go on get-fedora (vs. stuff on spins.fp.o, I think)
22:38 < giarc> ok
22:39 < ricky> CB6: Heh, they're all the same now, but we have the ability to change them per-page if you have suggestions
22:39 < giarc> so, KDE spin, PPC and 64 bit in the sidebar?
22:39 < CB6> ricky lol that's not good at all
22:39 < ricky> The thing is the KDE spin has i686 and x86_64 versions too :-/
22:40 < giarc> we could just link to the i686, same as we do for the liveCD
22:40 < ricky> CB6: We're already the first google result for "Fedora" :-)  (but it'd still be great if you wanted to change some titles)
22:40 < giarc> with a more...
22:41 < ricky> giarc: Ah, good point - i686 will work for x86_64 anyway
22:41 < giarc> right, same logic
22:41 < giarc> diff spin
22:41 < CB6> ricky agreed it would be beneficial to hold the Fedora name aspect for the primary part of the title then add - page subject title after
22:41 < ricky> What I want to avoid is users wondering if "X Y Z" combination is available or not, then searching like crazy
22:41 < giarc> ok, so, seems like we know what we are starting with in the sidebar anyway...
22:42 < ricky> But hopefully, those users can look through the full table of what we offer
22:42 < CB6> hopefully people take the time to also have it on the page so X Y Z is also available as google looks for key words there
22:44 < giarc> ricky, i think our 'let me look around...' is sufficient for people looking for specific things if they are not readily apparent
22:44 < ricky> Hmm.  Do you think we can get away with leaving out x86_64 on the sidebar?
22:44 < giarc> to not worry too much about what is NOT in the sidebar
22:44 < ricky> It's not really all that important unless you have >4 GB of memory...
22:44 < giarc> i would think PPC more than 64bit
22:44 < ricky> Then we can worry about KDE and ppc
22:45 < ricky> And we'd have a version of http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/ with just KDE links or just PPC links
22:45 < giarc> interesting idea
22:45 < ricky> Any other suggestions for handling those sidebar links?
22:45 < CB6> a lot of people these days have 4gb of memory
22:46 < giarc> yeah, and x86_64
22:46  * ricky wonders if the i686 installer could automatically detect that and use the PAE kernel
22:47 < giarc> so it seems to me we have enough of an idea to get started? is that opinion shared?
22:47 < ricky> I still find that the majority of people that insist on using x86_64 don't have >= 4 GB of memory.  That's just my experience from listening in #fedora, though :-)
22:47 < giarc> ricky, heh
22:48 < ricky> OK, so I'll get Mairin's version of get-fedora into the test repo and we can all start playing around with it
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22:48 < ricky> (Also, please feel free to ask in #fedora-websites if you run into git trouble or anything like that - it can be really confusing)
22:49 < ricky> So to work on the test site, you should git clone ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.test.git if you're in the web group, or git:// otherwise
22:49 < juank_prada> then are we making one page for each spin and each arch?
22:49 < juank_prada> arent we failing here with the DRY principles?
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22:50 < ricky> juank_prada: We'll probably just have a page for i686, ppc, and live KDE.
22:51 < juank_prada> ricky, you mean one for all of them?
22:51 < ricky> For other options, I think it's reasonable to expect users to look at the full table of downloads.  Those three are enough to get anybody started with using Fedora
22:51 < ricky> One for each (so it'd still be at most two clicks from get-fedora
22:51 < juank_prada> i still think we are providing same options in different ways which may confuse users more
22:51 < giarc> i think we can do it with one, no?
22:52 < ricky> The nice part is that 99% of users won't need to make any choices.  They'll be at correct place at the first page
22:52 < giarc> let people looking for other things use what we have now?
22:52 < ricky> What we have now is having them all on one page
22:52 < giarc> right, i meant the part 'let me look around'
22:53 < giarc> :-}
22:53 < ricky> Oh, that part will be the same as what we have now
22:53 < ricky> The "sea of links," as mizmo-out put it
22:53 < juank_prada> murphy said that everything that could be wrong will be wrong, so if we provide the link to a sea of links some how a noob user will get in there getting lost again
22:53 < giarc> ok, and i think we can have mizmo-out 's design, add KDE/PPC/64bit to the sidebar and be done?
22:54 < ianweller> juank_prada: that's their problem then, if they see past the "duh"
22:54 < ricky> juank_prada: They'd have to click the "I know exactly what I'm looking for" link first
22:54 < ricky> Then they'd realize the mistake and go back if they don't know what to choose
22:54 < juank_prada> yeah.. im looking for fedora!
22:54 < juank_prada> so ill click there
22:55 < ricky> Worst case, there's always /get-help :-)
22:55 < ricky> OK, so anything else on get-fedora?
22:55 < giarc> not here
22:56 < ricky> I think we have a pretty good idea of what needs to happen in the next two weeks now
22:56 < ianweller> (please no)
22:56 < ricky> ianweller: Hehe
22:56 < juank_prada> i'll just please ianweller
22:56 < giarc> so, ricky, you are getting mizmo-out 's design into git test repo, we all work on it ?
22:57 < ricky> Yup
22:57 < ricky> There's always the mailing list for more discussion
22:57 < giarc> got it :-}
22:57 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Webites - Open Floor
22:57  * ianweller looks at his non-existant watch
22:57 < ricky> Anything more about websites in general?  We're almost at the hour mark
22:57  * giarc facepalms at the thought of more discussion
22:57 < ricky> Hehe
22:57 < ricky> That's what meetings are for :-)
22:58 < giarc> for 6 months!
22:58 < giarc> ?
22:58 < giarc> anyway
22:58 < ricky> Let's close it up, then
22:58 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Webites - Meeting End
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From zillmerm at wi.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 15:06:12 2008
From: zillmerm at wi.rr.com (Matthew Zillmer)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:06:12 -0500
Subject: why can't I EVER find where to download the damn source files?
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why can't I EVER find where to download the damn source files?  Makes me
want to choke on Windows instead!  This SUCKS guys.

Matt



From zillmerm at wi.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 15:09:05 2008
From: zillmerm at wi.rr.com (Matthew Zillmer)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:09:05 -0500
Subject: why can't I EVER find where to download the damn source files?
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Message-ID: <1224515345.755.5.camel@blkbox.wi.rr.com>

I just want the kernel source so I can install my nvidia card.  That's
all.  Please help.

On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 10:06 -0500, Matthew Zillmer wrote:
> why can't I EVER find where to download the damn source files?  Makes me
> want to choke on Windows instead!  This SUCKS guys.
> 
> Matt



From yaroslav.swatko at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 05:35:16 2008
From: yaroslav.swatko at gmail.com (Yaroslav Swatko)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:35:16 +0300
Subject: bugreports
Message-ID: <ff5b48e70810202235l1734275ap97b74dcb385e3e4d@mail.gmail.com>

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From ivazqueznet at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 06:28:51 2008
From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:28:51 -0400
Subject: why can't I EVER find where to download the damn source files?
In-Reply-To: <1224515345.755.5.camel@blkbox.wi.rr.com>
References: <1224515172.755.3.camel@blkbox.wi.rr.com>
	<1224515345.755.5.camel@blkbox.wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1224570531.13861.370.camel@ignacio.lan>

On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 10:09 -0500, Matthew Zillmer wrote:
> I just want the kernel source so I can install my nvidia card.  That's
> all.  Please help.
> 
> On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 10:06 -0500, Matthew Zillmer wrote:
> > why can't I EVER find where to download the damn source files?  Makes me
> > want to choke on Windows instead!  This SUCKS guys.

The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to
Fedora's websites. For end-user Fedora support, please refer to the help
resources described here:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate

-- 
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet at gmail.com>

PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed
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From ivazqueznet at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 06:30:08 2008
From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:30:08 -0400
Subject: bugreports
In-Reply-To: <ff5b48e70810202235l1734275ap97b74dcb385e3e4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff5b48e70810202235l1734275ap97b74dcb385e3e4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1224570608.13861.372.camel@ignacio.lan>

On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 08:35 +0300, Yaroslav Swatko wrote:
> in attach

Bug reports should be logged in Red Hat's Bugzilla at:

http://bugzilla.redhat.com/

-- 
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From herlo1 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 14:03:50 2008
From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:03:50 -0600
Subject: talk.fedoraproject.org
Message-ID: <d9e12e8a0810210703u527a93d8u8c8754538d788644@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I figured I'd start here and find out who created and/or put up the
talk.fedoraproject.org stuff as I feel it's a little sparse and
decided to help last night when I tried to create my Fedora Talk
setup.

What I am referring to is the fact that I created a screencast[1] and
blogged[2] about how to configure Twinkle that would be perfect for
http://talk.fedoraproject.org.  Honestly, I don't know how great the
screencast is, but it's better than what is currently listed under the
"Setting Up a SoftPhone".  How do I go about adding a request to get a
link to this or embed it into the website?  I'm even willing to create
a patch, etc. for something this easy.

Cheers,

Clint

1 - http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/fedoratalk-twinkle-screencast.ogg
2 - http://sexysexypenguins.com/2008/10/20/screencast-fedora-talk-with-twinkle/



From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 16:27:03 2008
From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:27:03 -0400
Subject: talk.fedoraproject.org
In-Reply-To: <d9e12e8a0810210703u527a93d8u8c8754538d788644@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9e12e8a0810210703u527a93d8u8c8754538d788644@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dcfb610d0810210927x727c742vbd2d618df6304f10@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Clint Savage <herlo1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I figured I'd start here and find out who created and/or put up the
> talk.fedoraproject.org stuff as I feel it's a little sparse and
> decided to help last night when I tried to create my Fedora Talk
> setup.

Hi Clint,

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs

You can checkout a copy of the website repo, talk.fp.o is in there and
you can send proposed changes to the list for review or post them
online.  If you have a fedora account, you can use your fedora people
space.

Cheers,

--
Craig



From herlo1 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 17:34:11 2008
From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:34:11 -0600
Subject: talk.fedoraproject.org
In-Reply-To: <dcfb610d0810210927x727c742vbd2d618df6304f10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9e12e8a0810210703u527a93d8u8c8754538d788644@mail.gmail.com>
	<dcfb610d0810210927x727c742vbd2d618df6304f10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9e12e8a0810211034w76f89660w89a9a8658cba1f91@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Craig Thomas <bicycle.nutz at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Clint Savage <herlo1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I figured I'd start here and find out who created and/or put up the
>> talk.fedoraproject.org stuff as I feel it's a little sparse and
>> decided to help last night when I tried to create my Fedora Talk
>> setup.
>
> Hi Clint,
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs
>
> You can checkout a copy of the website repo, talk.fp.o is in there and
> you can send proposed changes to the list for review or post them
> online.  If you have a fedora account, you can use your fedora people
> space.
>
Craig,

Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for though I won't be able
to check it out until tonight.

Cheers,

Clint



From zillmerm at wi.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 13:46:20 2008
From: zillmerm at wi.rr.com (Matthew Zillmer)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:46:20 -0500
Subject: why can't I EVER find where to download the damn source files?
In-Reply-To: <1224570531.13861.370.camel@ignacio.lan>
References: <1224515172.755.3.camel@blkbox.wi.rr.com>
	<1224515345.755.5.camel@blkbox.wi.rr.com>
	<1224570531.13861.370.camel@ignacio.lan>
Message-ID: <1224596781.755.8.camel@blkbox.wi.rr.com>

Thank you, I got a reply.  Any chance you could place a link on the site
to kernel.org?  That would have avoided my problem in the first place.

Matt

On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 02:28 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 10:09 -0500, Matthew Zillmer wrote:
> > I just want the kernel source so I can install my nvidia card.  That's
> > all.  Please help.
> > 
> > On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 10:06 -0500, Matthew Zillmer wrote:
> > > why can't I EVER find where to download the damn source files?  Makes me
> > > want to choke on Windows instead!  This SUCKS guys.
> 
> The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to
> Fedora's websites. For end-user Fedora support, please refer to the help
> resources described here:
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate
> 



From Srinivas_Ramanatha at Dell.com  Tue Oct 21 15:03:40 2008
From: Srinivas_Ramanatha at Dell.com (Srinivas_Ramanatha at Dell.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:33:40 +0530
Subject: Problem with ssh to fedorapeople.org
Message-ID: <D163A929FB639544B197BCDF1B0F2D8C01D4727F@blrx3m03.blr.amer.dell.com>

Hello,

 

I am trying to ssh to fedorapeople.org to commit some of my packages
which have been reviewed.

The ssh session with fedorapeople.org refuses to accept my password.

Can anyone help me with this.

 

My details:

 

Username: srini

 

ssh srini at fedorapeople.org is what I am trying and the session denies my
password although the password is keyed in correctly.

 

Thanks in advance.

Srini

 

 

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From ivazqueznet at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 18:13:01 2008
From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:13:01 -0400
Subject: why can't I EVER find where to download the damn source files?
In-Reply-To: <1224596781.755.8.camel@blkbox.wi.rr.com>
References: <1224515172.755.3.camel@blkbox.wi.rr.com>
	<1224515345.755.5.camel@blkbox.wi.rr.com>
	<1224570531.13861.370.camel@ignacio.lan>
	<1224596781.755.8.camel@blkbox.wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1224612781.13861.428.camel@ignacio.lan>

On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 08:46 -0500, Matthew Zillmer wrote:
> Thank you, I got a reply.  Any chance you could place a link on the site
> to kernel.org?  That would have avoided my problem in the first place.

That won't help since Fedora does not provide vanilla kernels.

But we'll take it into consideration.

-- 
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet at gmail.com>
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From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Tue Oct 21 18:19:56 2008
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:19:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Problem with ssh to fedorapeople.org
In-Reply-To: <D163A929FB639544B197BCDF1B0F2D8C01D4727F@blrx3m03.blr.amer.dell.com>
References: <D163A929FB639544B197BCDF1B0F2D8C01D4727F@blrx3m03.blr.amer.dell.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0810211319090.400@laptop.mmcgrath.net>

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Srinivas_Ramanatha at Dell.com wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> ?
>
> I am trying to ssh to fedorapeople.org to commit some of my packages which have been reviewed.
>
> The ssh session with fedorapeople.org refuses to accept my password.
>
> Can anyone help me with this.
>
> ?
>
> Username: srini
>

I'm seeing failed password for your user.  Please make sure you can log in
to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ with the username and
password you are using.  Also I believe that as of this morning we no
longer allow password auth to that host so you should use your ssh key for
auth.

	-Mike

From Srinivas_Ramanatha at Dell.com  Tue Oct 21 19:08:27 2008
From: Srinivas_Ramanatha at Dell.com (Srinivas_Ramanatha at Dell.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:38:27 +0530
Subject: Problem with ssh to fedorapeople.org
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0810211319090.400@laptop.mmcgrath.net>
References: <D163A929FB639544B197BCDF1B0F2D8C01D4727F@blrx3m03.blr.amer.dell.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0810211319090.400@laptop.mmcgrath.net>
Message-ID: <D163A929FB639544B197BCDF1B0F2D8C01D472B1@blrx3m03.blr.amer.dell.com>

Thanks for the tip Mike. It works now.

Srini

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike McGrath [mailto:mmcgrath at redhat.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:50 PM
To: Ramanatha, Srinivas
Cc: webmaster at fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Problem with ssh to fedorapeople.org

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Srinivas_Ramanatha at Dell.com wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> ?
>
> I am trying to ssh to fedorapeople.org to commit some of my packages which have been reviewed.
>
> The ssh session with fedorapeople.org refuses to accept my password.
>
> Can anyone help me with this.
>
> ?
>
> Username: srini
>

I'm seeing failed password for your user.  Please make sure you can log in
to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ with the username and
password you are using.  Also I believe that as of this morning we no
longer allow password auth to that host so you should use your ssh key for
auth.

	-Mike



From christiana at bonneautransport.com  Wed Oct 22 14:35:15 2008
From: christiana at bonneautransport.com (Christiana)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:35:15 -0400
Subject: bonneau.com
Message-ID: <000f01c93453$660e8f90$322baeb0$@com>

Hi,

 

Do you own the domain name Bonneau.com?  If yes, might you be interested in
selling it to us?

 

Thanks,

 

Christiana Bonneau, CMA

Finance and Administration

 

BTS logo for signature

 

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From ivazqueznet at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 15:03:17 2008
From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:03:17 -0400
Subject: bonneau.com
In-Reply-To: <000f01c93453$660e8f90$322baeb0$@com>
References: <000f01c93453$660e8f90$322baeb0$@com>
Message-ID: <1224687797.9563.53.camel@ignacio.lan>

On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 10:35 -0400, Christiana wrote:
> Do you own the domain name Bonneau.com?  If yes, might you be
> interested in selling it to us?

That is a test page included with our operating system; we don't
actually control the site in question.  For more information, please
refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage.

To determine the actual owner, you should do a whois lookup of the
domain.  

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From ianweller at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 03:00:06 2008
From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:00:06 -0500
Subject: fedora-wiki list for wiki users and contributors
Message-ID: <20081023025924.GA21231@gmail.com>

Hi all,

A new moderate-traffic mailing list for users and contributors of the
Fedora Project Wiki has been set up.

Among the discussions will be policy, announcements, and editing tips.
The list has been created to bring together the wider wiki community
split apart between different sub-projects of Fedora.

If you are interested in these sorts of discussions, please subscribe to
fedora-wiki at lists.fedoraproject.org at
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-wiki
We'll be glad to see you!

-- 
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From ianweller at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 03:31:05 2008
From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:31:05 +0200
Subject: fedora-wiki list for wiki users and contributors
Message-ID: <000401c934bf$c7acac70$ba00000a@grecom.local>

Hi all,

A new moderate-traffic mailing list for users and contributors of the
Fedora Project Wiki has been set up.

Among the discussions will be policy, announcements, and editing tips.
The list has been created to bring together the wider wiki community
split apart between different sub-projects of Fedora.

If you are interested in these sorts of discussions, please subscribe to
fedora-wiki at lists.fedoraproject.org at
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-wiki
We'll be glad to see you!

-- 
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From ianweller at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 03:31:05 2008
From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:31:05 +0200
Subject: fedora-wiki list for wiki users and contributors
Message-ID: <000901c934bf$c7af1d70$ba00000a@grecom.local>

Hi all,

A new moderate-traffic mailing list for users and contributors of the
Fedora Project Wiki has been set up.

Among the discussions will be policy, announcements, and editing tips.
The list has been created to bring together the wider wiki community
split apart between different sub-projects of Fedora.

If you are interested in these sorts of discussions, please subscribe to
fedora-wiki at lists.fedoraproject.org at
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-wiki
We'll be glad to see you!

-- 
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From huzaifas at redhat.com  Thu Oct 23 04:24:36 2008
From: huzaifas at redhat.com (Huzaifa Sidhpurwala)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:54:36 +0530
Subject: Need some help for the fedora maps project
Message-ID: <48FFFC84.2000700@redhat.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi All,

I have taken up the project to re-create the fedora maps.
They are now fully functional and are available at:

http://fedoraproject.org/maps/{f8,f9,f8newkey,f9newkey,el4,el5}

However the above page seems very blunt, and does not integrate well
with the rest of the fedora site.

My html/css-fu is not very good,
I would appreciate if you guys could help me with some sort of css for
this page, so that it would blend well with the rest of the site.

Thanks a lot in advance.

- --
Regards,
Huzaifa Sidhpurwala, RHCE, CCNA (IRC: huzaifas)


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From MCLITES at DCHUSA.com  Wed Oct 22 20:00:34 2008
From: MCLITES at DCHUSA.com (CLITES, MICHAEL)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:00:34 -0400
Subject: renew contract
Message-ID: <BF83952DBD13FE43A8096C110943C1020DC911@DCH-NJ-EXCH3.dchusa.com>

Please contact me on renewing a website named "phlibrary.com" it has expired and we have important links attached to it. 
                                                                                                       
                                                                                          Thank You,
                                                                                          
                                                                                          DCH Paramus Honda      
                                                                                          Sales Manager
                                                                                          Michael Clites
                                                                                          (201)368-0180
                                                                                         
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If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, disclosure, copying, or dissemination of this transmission, or taking of any action in reliance on its contents, or other use is strictly prohibited.
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From chaplin_be at yahoo.fr  Wed Oct 22 20:02:05 2008
From: chaplin_be at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=FFffffe9phane_BLONDIN?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:02:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?gros_probl=E8me_avec_fedora_9?=
Message-ID: <363028.16575.qm@web26002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Je me pr?sente.

Je suis St?phane Blondin de belgique.

J'ai installer votre programme pour essayer une mani?re diff?rente de travailler sur PC


J'ai donc t?l?charger, graver le fichier iso et cr?? un disk boot.

que je me suis empress? de mettre dans mon lecteur dvd et red?marr? mon pc

J'ai suivi les instructions ? la lettre. tout fonctionnait.


MAIS LES GROS PROBL?MES SONT


1) je n'arrive pas ? installer mon imprimante
2) je n'arrive pas ? lire mes fichier MP3 et DVIX que j'ai sauvegarder sur mon disque dur externe.
3) je n'arrive pas ? utiliser ma cl?s USB
4) je n'arrive pas ? installer les plugins n?cessaire ? la bonne marche de mon pc (m?me fichiers packages)
5)............................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DE PLUS LES CODECS NORMAUX UN UNE UTILISATION MULTIM?DIA SONT PAYANTS.



Je me demande si il n'y aurait pas tromperies sur la marchandise!!!!!!!!!!!!!


J'ai donc essayer de r?installer windows XP SANS SUCCES !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Je vous demande donc la marche ? suivre pour arriver ? formater mon disque dur afin de pouvoir r?installer windows XP sur lequelle au moins je puis installer tout ce donc j'ai besoin pour mon PC MULTIM?DIA.

Bien ? vous 

 DANS L'ATTENTE TRES PRESSANTE D'UNE REPONSE DE VOTRE PART,
JE VOUS PRIE DE RECEVOIR MES SALUTATIONS DISTINGUEES

M. BLONDIN



      



From ivazqueznet at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 06:08:29 2008
From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:08:29 -0400
Subject: renew contract
In-Reply-To: <BF83952DBD13FE43A8096C110943C1020DC911@DCH-NJ-EXCH3.dchusa.com>
References: <BF83952DBD13FE43A8096C110943C1020DC911@DCH-NJ-EXCH3.dchusa.com>
Message-ID: <1224742110.9563.105.camel@ignacio.lan>

On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 16:00 -0400, CLITES, MICHAEL wrote:
> Please contact me on renewing a website named "phlibrary.com" it has
> expired and we have important links attached to it. 

That is a test page included with our operating system; we don't
actually control the site in question.  For more information, please
refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage.

To determine the actual owner, you should do a whois lookup of the
domain.  

-- 
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet at gmail.com>
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From ivazqueznet at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 06:13:17 2008
From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:13:17 -0400
Subject: gros =?iso-8859-1?q?probl=E8me?= avec fedora 9
In-Reply-To: <363028.16575.qm@web26002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <363028.16575.qm@web26002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1224742397.9563.108.camel@ignacio.lan>

On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 20:02 +0000, St?phane BLONDIN wrote:
> Je me pr?sente.
> 
> Je suis St?phane Blondin de belgique.
> 
> J'ai installer votre programme pour essayer une mani?re diff?rente de
> travailler sur PC

The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to
Fedora's websites. For end-user Fedora support, please refer to the help
resources described here:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate

-- 
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet at gmail.com>
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From tsariounov at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 00:13:34 2008
From: tsariounov at gmail.com (Alex Tsariounov)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:13:34 -0600
Subject: fedora hosted trac src
Message-ID: <a21361c70810231713t13e7b401rd8a2fc34e7b9a9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I see you use Trac for Fedora Hosted and that various version control
systems are supported on your site that are not included in the Trac
src release.  Do you publish the modifications/plugins you created for
Trac?

Thanks,
Alex



From schwarz-heizung at t-online.de  Thu Oct 23 09:01:04 2008
From: schwarz-heizung at t-online.de (Bernd + Irmtraut Schwarz)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:01:04 +0200
Subject: Bitte Ihre Produktanzeige wieder herausnehmen
Message-ID: <49003D50.8040209@t-online.de>

Seit heute morgen erscheint Ihre "Seite Fodora-Projekt" beim ?ffnen 
meines Internetprov. Mozilla Firefox, ich kann sie nicht beeinflussen 
und nicht so l?schen, damit sie nicht beim n?chsten Start wieder erswcheint.
Bitte ?ndern  wieder erscheint, bitte ?ndern Sie das sofort, oder sagen 
Sie mir warum? und was ich tun mu?.
Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen B. Schwarz



From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct 24 13:55:41 2008
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:25:41 +0530
Subject: fedora hosted trac src
In-Reply-To: <a21361c70810231713t13e7b401rd8a2fc34e7b9a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a21361c70810231713t13e7b401rd8a2fc34e7b9a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4901D3DD.2030302@fedoraproject.org>

Alex Tsariounov wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I see you use Trac for Fedora Hosted and that various version control
> systems are supported on your site that are not included in the Trac
> src release.  Do you publish the modifications/plugins you created for
> Trac?

You can find many trac plugins and other mods including ones used by 
fedorahosted.org at

http://trac-hacks.org/

Hope that helps

Rahul



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Fri Oct 24 14:28:06 2008
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:28:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: fedora hosted trac src
In-Reply-To: <4901D3DD.2030302@fedoraproject.org>
References: <a21361c70810231713t13e7b401rd8a2fc34e7b9a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4901D3DD.2030302@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0810240927010.17310@laptop.mmcgrath.net>

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> Alex Tsariounov wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I see you use Trac for Fedora Hosted and that various version control
> > systems are supported on your site that are not included in the Trac
> > src release.  Do you publish the modifications/plugins you created for
> > Trac?
>
> You can find many trac plugins and other mods including ones used by
> fedorahosted.org at
>
> http://trac-hacks.org/
>

With the exception of some custom scripts all of what we run on
fedorahosted.org is yummable:

trac-mercurial-plugin-0.10.0.2-3.20070705svn5798.el5
trac-bazaar-plugin-0.2-5.20070829bzr182.el5
trac-0.10.5-1.el5
trac-git-plugin-0.0.1-5.20070705svn1536.el5
email2trac-0.13-3.el5
trac-ticketdelete-plugin-1.1.4-1.20071126svn2825.el5
trac-toc-macro-1.0-3.20070715svn2475.el5
trac-monotone-plugin-0.0.14-1.20080208mtnb4dd178b.el5
trac-iniadmin-plugin-0.1-2.20071126svn2824.el5
trac-webadmin-plugin-0.1.2dev-2.20070716svn5753.el5

	-Mike



From menezes.rodrigo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 19:41:55 2008
From: menezes.rodrigo at gmail.com (Rodrigo Menezes)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:41:55 -0200
Subject: Connecting to FedoraPeople
Message-ID: <5fb47e620810241241q41f0ab9dkefbf479bc84400ee@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,

I'm having some problems to connect to SSH in fedorapeople, it's saying that
I don't have rights.

I attached my SSH public key (attached in this message) and it isn't
working, I recreate the key 5 times. My user is rmenezes, can you help me
with this?

Cheers,

Rodrigo Menezes
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From pribyl at lowlevel.cz  Fri Oct 24 20:02:24 2008
From: pribyl at lowlevel.cz (Adam Pribyl)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:02:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: 5th birthday - still celebrating?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0810242200290.25849@sandbox.cz>

Maybe we should stop celebrating the fifth birthday... After a month 
party time I am getting somehow tired...

Adam Pribyl



From skvidal at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct 24 20:07:01 2008
From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:07:01 -0400
Subject: 5th birthday - still celebrating?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0810242200290.25849@sandbox.cz>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0810242200290.25849@sandbox.cz>
Message-ID: <1224878821.29258.26.camel@rosebud>

On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 22:02 +0200, Adam Pribyl wrote:
> Maybe we should stop celebrating the fifth birthday... After a month 
> party time I am getting somehow tired...

I believe the site is already setup to have the banner up for exactly
one month.

-sv




From stickster at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 23:49:16 2008
From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:49:16 -0400
Subject: 5th birthday - still celebrating?
In-Reply-To: <1224878821.29258.26.camel@rosebud>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0810242200290.25849@sandbox.cz>
	<1224878821.29258.26.camel@rosebud>
Message-ID: <1224892156.23451.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 16:07 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 22:02 +0200, Adam Pribyl wrote:
> > Maybe we should stop celebrating the fifth birthday... After a month 
> > party time I am getting somehow tired...
> 
> I believe the site is already setup to have the banner up for exactly
> one month.

That cake was darn good.

-- 
Paul W. Frields
  gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233  5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
  http://paul.frields.org/   -  -   http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
  irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
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From vista.imac at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 08:46:38 2008
From: vista.imac at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?1dTpxQ==?=)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:46:38 +0800
Subject: Join
Message-ID: <1672c380810250146r7d0abbb5g277422e5c7756e85@mail.gmail.com>

I am a Fedora fan,
and
I wanna join the Fedora project,
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From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Sat Oct 25 15:52:25 2008
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:52:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Connecting to FedoraPeople
In-Reply-To: <5fb47e620810241241q41f0ab9dkefbf479bc84400ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5fb47e620810241241q41f0ab9dkefbf479bc84400ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0810251052010.19954@laptop.mmcgrath.net>

I don't see any inalid requests for rmenezes.  What command exactly are
you running and what do you get from the output of "whoami"

	-Mike

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Rodrigo Menezes wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I'm having some problems to connect to SSH in fedorapeople, it's saying that I don't have rights.
>
> I attached my SSH public key (attached in this message) and it isn't working, I recreate the key 5 times. My user is
> rmenezes, can you help me with this?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rodrigo Menezes
>
>



From steve at neoturbine.net  Sat Oct 25 18:12:18 2008
From: steve at neoturbine.net (Steven Bularca)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:12:18 -0400
Subject: Greetings, Fedora Websites team
Message-ID: <49036182.5060703@neoturbine.net>

Prospective fellow developers,

My name is Steven Bularca,  I commonly go under the handle of stiv2k.  I
have recently joined the Fedora Websites team to explore new opportunities
within the broader scheme of the Fedora Project.  Forgive me for not
having sent this e-mail out earlier, as I joined the team in FAS almost a
month ago (oops).

Now for my technical background, I am a 20 year old Computer Science
student at the University of Central Florida.  I have been working with
website development and design on and off for the past eight to nine
years.  One of my other projects I have been involved with since its
creation is the Neoturbine IRC network (http://neoturbine.net) -- the
website isn't too dandy right now, but I have learned a great deal through
it nonetheless.  My strong points are PHP/MySQL, Java, (X)HTML,
Subversion/Git, and CSS.  I have some knowledge, but my skill level is
generally weak in Perl, Python, JavaScript, and bash scripting.

I look forward to becoming an official member of this team and invariably
gaining some useful experience in the long run, to the benefit of myself
and the community as a whole.

Thank you,



From internet_cowboy at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 25 23:08:12 2008
From: internet_cowboy at hotmail.com (Anthony Thomas)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:08:12 -0700
Subject: USB Wireless Support
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV178B1441217B9286C3E9D842A0@phx.gbl>

Do you see USB wireless support in the future ?
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From ivazqueznet at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 07:03:16 2008
From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:03:16 -0400
Subject: USB Wireless Support
In-Reply-To: <COL0-DAV178B1441217B9286C3E9D842A0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL0-DAV178B1441217B9286C3E9D842A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1225004597.8959.19.camel@ignacio.lan>

On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 16:08 -0700, Anthony Thomas wrote:
> Do you see USB wireless support in the future ?

The webmaster at fedoraproject.org address is only for issues related to
Fedora's websites. For end-user Fedora support, please refer to the help
resources described here:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate

-- 
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet at gmail.com>
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From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Mon Oct 27 11:48:23 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:48:23 -0400
Subject: Meeting Reminder: Today 20:00 UTC
Message-ID: <20081027114823.GA13218@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

Again, just to remind everybody, there'll be a meeting at 20:00 UTC
today.  There is a chance that I will only be around for the first 30
minutes of the hour.

Some things to cover:
 - Sidebar images for get-fedora (I'll work on getting the multiple
   pages created later this week)
 - Website code license (we've spoke about this before, but I don't
   remember coming to any definitive conclusion)
 - Preview release (website to be frozen)
 - Release counter

See you there,
Ricky
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From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Mon Oct 27 20:44:16 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:44:16 -0400
Subject: Meeting Log - 2008-10-27
Message-ID: <20081027204416.GA13865@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

19:59 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Who's here?
20:00 -!- rwmjones_ [n=rwmjones at 87.127.66.208] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:01 < ivazquez> Pong.
20:01 < daMaestro> pong
20:01 -!- ezq [n=ezq at 200-127-101-170.cab.prima.net.ar] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:02 -!- tw2113 [n=tw2113 at fedora/tw2113] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:02 -!- mizmo [n=duffy at nat/redhat/x-f59a7193df533b33] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:03 < ricky> All right, tw2113 and mizmo are here as well :-)
20:03 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Tasks
20:03 < ricky> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks
20:04 < ricky> Let's go through and clean up the tasks list a bit
20:04 < ricky> No updates on usability testing or CMS
20:04 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma at 92.50.110.191] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:04  * ricky takes /contact off the list, since it's done
20:05 -!- giarc [i=hidden-u at gnat.asiscan.com] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:05 < ricky> tw2113: Should we leave docs.fp.o on there to track any remaining CSS tweaking, etc.?
20:05 < ricky> giarc: Hey 
20:05 < ianweller> oh hi!
20:05 < ivazquez> spins.fp.o is in both lists.
20:05 < tw2113> i have kind of forgot that i agreed to do that
20:06 < tw2113> i'll take note to do it, but i don't think it needs to be on the tasks list
20:06 < tw2113> since it got pushed live already
20:06 < ianweller> i looked at docs.fp.o and list items aren't indented :(
20:06 < ianweller> so the table of contents is hard to read
20:06 < ricky> All right, I'll take that out too, then
20:07 < ricky> mizmo: Do you have anything on the myfedora entry?  /me hasn't heard much about that recently
20:07 -!- DemonJes1er [n=DemonJes at 74.9.188.187] has quit "leaving"
20:07 < mizmo> ricky, j5 was building it out so there was apublic test instance
20:07 < mizmo> i was travelling last week though so i haven't talked to him in a few days so i dont know the status on that
20:07 < mizmo> last week i did fix a css bug in the lightbox code he has
20:07 < J5> ricky: https://publictest16.fedoraproject.org/community
20:08 < mizmo> yay
20:08 < J5> I'm currently recording a screencast and writing a release announcement for the beta
20:08 < ricky> Ah, cool, it's up on the publictest - that's great to see
20:08 -!- tc1415 [i=blewis at host86-141-165-235.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:08 < SmootherFrOgZ> nice
20:09 < ricky> I guess I'll leave that on the list and we can try to look at it more after the release
20:09 < ricky> ianweller: Any upstream discussion about the MW redircects?
20:09 -!- petreu [n=peter at fedora/petreu] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:09 < ianweller> ricky: no i've been quite busy lately :(
20:10 < ianweller> if it were still summer i probably could've gotten that done but i don't see it getting done very fast at this rate ;)
20:10  * ricky understands - same here!
20:10 < ricky> No worries
20:10 -!- londo [n=georgiou at 82.133.49.59] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
20:10 -!- londo [n=georgiou at 82.133.49.59] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:10 < ricky> So updates relating to Infrastructure/Websites
20:10 < ianweller> if G or someone could help out on that that would be sweet.
20:11 < ricky> Yeah, he might be pretty busy with having been moving this while :-)
20:11 < ianweller> yeah
20:11 < ianweller> we're all busy :/
20:12 < ricky> So we're looking to freeze the website right after the preview release
20:12 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt] has quit "Konversation terminated!"
20:12 < ianweller> what still needs to be done for that?
20:12 < ricky> Can you remind me of what we need to get the counter images created?
20:12 < ianweller> oh
20:13 < ianweller> mizmo: do you have that script handy from last time?
20:13 < mizmo> ianweller, i think i mailed it to the list so it should be in the archives
20:13 < ianweller> k i'll look for it
20:13 < ianweller> i need a string for the english one, and then we can translate as necessary
20:13 < mizmo> ianweller, thanks :)
20:13 < ianweller> and do basically the same thing we did last time, i presume
20:14 < ianweller> ricky: you know morea bout getting it into the repo than i do
20:14 -!- smooge [n=smooge at int.smoogespace.com] has quit "-ENOCAFFEINE"
20:14 < ricky> Yeah, I can handle getting it in once we have the images
20:14 < ianweller> i'll peek through the archives to refresh what we did last time in my head
20:16 -!- ezq [n=ezq at 200-127-101-170.cab.prima.net.ar] has quit Remote closed the connection
20:16 < ricky> All right
20:16 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Websites - get-fedora
20:16 < ricky> So this is the total of what we have at the moment: http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/get-fedora
20:17 < ricky> We still need side boxes for PPC, KDE
20:17 < ianweller> hmm i'm seeing a problem, let me do some things with a screenshot
20:19 < tw2113> ianweller, could you also get a screenshot of the lack of TOC indents? so i know where to focus?
20:20 < ricky> I'll start creating the KDE and PPC version of get-fedrora later this week
20:20 < ianweller> tw2113: yeah i'll do that in a sec
20:21 -!- EvilBob [n=EvilBob at fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen] has quit Remote closed the connection
20:21 < ianweller> ricky: who's writing content for sideboxes? is that you too?
20:21 < ricky> I haven't thought of what the string should be yet, actually
20:21 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma at 92.50.110.191] has quit "Leaving"
20:22 < ricky> Any ideas?  
20:22 < ianweller> well, just something explanatory
20:22 < ianweller> like
20:23 -!- J5 [n=quintice at c-76-24-17-105.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit "Ex-Chat"
20:23 < ianweller> "If you prefer the K Desktop Environment (KDE) over Gnome, you may be interested in the Live KDE distribution of Fedora." or something like that.
20:23 < ianweller> something that tells the user directly what they need to do, without sounding biased towards one version or another
20:23 < ricky> mizmo: Did you have any vision for what the sideboxes would look like or say?
20:24 < mizmo> ricky, i was just thinking really quick one-liners
20:24 < mizmo> eg
20:24 < ianweller> same for ppc, "If you have an older Mac or a computer that runs on a PowerPC (PPC) processor, you will need a specific Fedora version for your architechture, such as blah blah blah."
20:24 < mizmo> 'KDE fans, go here!'
20:24 < ianweller> something simple, to the point
20:24 < mizmo> 'Need PPC? go here!'
20:24 < mizmo> with a KDE logo
20:24 < ianweller> mizmo: but does that /explain/ it?
20:24 < ianweller> doesn't explain ppc. a lot of people don't know what ppc is.
20:24 < mizmo> ianweller, i dont think the people who need either really need explanation as to why they need it
20:24 < ivazquez> Does that matter?
20:24 < mizmo> ianweller, thats why they arent on the front page
20:25 < giarc> the short one-liners seem best to me...KDE/PPC ... you know what you are looking for
20:25 < mizmo> eg audio snobs know where to get vinyl. i might look at the vinyl section of the record store kind of strangely and wonder why it is there, but it doesnt impede me from browsing the CDs
20:25 < ianweller> but what if you need ppc but you don't know the difference?
20:25 < mizmo> you could put an explanatory sentence at the top of each the kde and ppc page in case a newb clicks on the banner to figure out what it is
20:26 -!- petreu| [n=peter at p3EE3FB45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
20:26 < ianweller> mizmo: ok yeah that'll work.
20:26 < mizmo> ianweller, if you need ppc and dont know the difference you've got other problems we cant solve
20:26 < ianweller> +1 to explanatory sentence on page
20:26 < ricky> I guess it couldn't hurt to get the text for those thought out right now :-)
20:26 < mizmo> i just wouldnt clutter the front page with it is all
20:26 < mizmo> for the PPC page
20:27 < ianweller> http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/screenshot.png
20:27 < ianweller> ok there's the screenshot i wanted to show
20:27 < ianweller> with my crappy circle drawn around the part i want to point out
20:27 < ianweller> having the fedora image floated left and the documentation box floated right leaves very little room for, um, text
20:27 < ianweller> in the middle
20:27 < ianweller> it just looks cluttered. messy. etc.
20:27 < ricky> Haha, looks like we need to size that entire column up or make it more fluid
20:28 < ianweller> i think you should clear: both; it
20:28 < ianweller> and possibly make the resources box a bit wider
20:28 < mizmo> "Below you may download a special version of Fedora for older Macintosh computers and other computers that have PowerPC (PPC) processors. If you do not have a machine with a PowerPC processor, you should go back to the main _get fedora_ page to download a version of Fedora that will work best for  your computer."
20:28 < giarc> what ianweller just said ... move the text to below resources
20:28 < ricky> Gah, sorry - I have to move real quickly - will hopefully be back in a minute :-(
20:29 < ianweller> i have to go soon too
20:29 < mizmo> for KDE
20:30 < mizmo> "The _K Desktop Environment_ (KDE) is an alternative desktop environment for Fedora. It provides a different look and feel to the windows, menus, and general desktop behavior of Fedora. If you prefer the K Desktop Environment, you may download the KDE version of Fedora below."
20:30  * ianweller heads out, be back in about 20 minutes
20:30 -!- ianweller is now known as ianweller_afk
20:30 < ricky> See ya
20:33  * ricky gets back
20:34 < ricky> All right, so if ianweller_afk can get the counter ready sometime this week, I'll try to work out and CSS bugs/get the different version of get-fedora created for ppc and kde
20:34 < ricky> Should the "I know what I want" page be a sidebox as well?
20:35 -!- petreu| [n=peter at p3EE3FB45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:36 -!- alexxed [n=alex at 217.172.65.223] has quit "Leaving."
20:37 < mizmo> ricky, yeh probably
20:37 -!- bpepple|lt [n=bpepple|@d149-67-234-111.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit "Ex-Chat"
20:37 < ricky> All right, then I'll work on getting something complete-ish by the end of the week and try to run it by you then
20:37 < ricky> /look for images to add to my plain text :-)
20:38 < mizmo> cool
20:38 < mizmo> :)
20:38 < ricky> Anybody have anything else to discuss?
20:38 < mizmo> ricky, how does the code freeze tomorrow affect websites?
20:39 -!- ubertibbs [n=tibbs at fedora/tibbs] has quit "Konversation terminated!"
20:39 < ricky> I think that's rawhide, so it won't affect us at all
20:39 < mizmo> oh okay
20:39 < ricky> The website (the repo that's generating fp.o right now) will be frozen after the prerelease (the last few changes will probably be getting the counter in)
20:39 < ricky> Then we'll work on the fedora-web.test repo, which is what's showing on the publictest15 link
20:40 < ricky> Hopefully, translations will happen on that repo until we merge back to the main one
20:40 < ricky> So we're aiming to have everything string-wise ready by the 4th
20:42 < ricky> All right, looks like we have a plan, then :-)
20:42 < ricky> Thanks for coming, everybody
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From rottman24 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 28 00:19:25 2008
From: rottman24 at yahoo.com (Luis Rottman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:19:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?I_CAN=B4T_DOWN_LOAD_FEDORA_X86=5F64?=
Message-ID: <856624.36069.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

DEAR FRIENDS

ONE OF MY QUESTION IS WHY CAN NOT? DOWNLOAD FEDORA 9? X86_64 FROM YOUR MAIN PAGE IT IS A ERROR FROM YOUR PAGE O WHAT HAPPEN O IS MY COMPUTER O I NEED TO PAY TO GET THE SOFTWARE.

SALUDOS AMIGOS FROM MEXICO CITY.


      
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From onekopaka at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 00:53:38 2008
From: onekopaka at gmail.com (Darren VanBuren)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:53:38 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?q?Re=3A_I_CAN=C2=B4T_DOWN_LOAD_FEDORA_X86=5F64?=
Message-ID: <B4EEADB7-1C7B-4D1F-A4B2-02FABE2C6849@gmail.com>

Let off of the shift key..

What error do you get? You could try a different mirror as well.

Darren VanBuren
-------------------------
Sent from my iPod

On Oct 27, 2008, at 17:19, Luis Rottman <rottman24 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> DEAR FRIENDS
>
> ONE OF MY QUESTION IS WHY CAN NOT  DOWNLOAD FEDORA 9  X86_64 FROM  
> YOUR MAIN PAGE IT IS A ERROR FROM YOUR PAGE O WHAT HAPPEN O IS MY  
> COMPUTER O I NEED TO PAY TO GET THE SOFTWARE.
>
> SALUDOS AMIGOS FROM MEXICO CITY.
>
> -- 
> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list

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From vista.imac at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 05:12:41 2008
From: vista.imac at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?1dTpxQ==?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:12:41 +0800
Subject: Join
Message-ID: <1672c380810272212o2d641ea7q14ff2857df4ac663@mail.gmail.com>

What should I do next?
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From consulting at jacobhaug.com  Tue Oct 28 06:17:20 2008
From: consulting at jacobhaug.com (Jacob Haug)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:17:20 -0400
Subject: Join the team?
Message-ID: <6579f9f30810272317s350a310ci33f26cb211b6514e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

My name is Jacob Haug and I'm interested in joining the Fedora Websites
Project. However, when viewing the join page for that group it says to email
them...however, they are not supplying an email address...

"Send a self-introduction email with some notes about your experience and
skill level to fedora-websites-list (*Don't forget this!*) "

I've tried emailing fedora-websites-list at fedoraproject.org however, that is
not a valid email address.

I believe I'm just a little bit confused as to how this system functions.
Can you please prove some guidance?

Thanks,
Jacob
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From consulting at jacobhaug.com  Tue Oct 28 06:25:18 2008
From: consulting at jacobhaug.com (Jacob Haug)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:25:18 -0400
Subject: Hello Everyone!
Message-ID: <6579f9f30810272325p1cdf2c90g4b36969afde3e571@mail.gmail.com>

 Hi,

My name is Jacob Haug, and I'm interested in joining the Fedora Websites
Project. I have been active on the web front for several years. For four
years I was a member of Webforumz. I was lead administrator and manager,
coaching the forum to higher levels of success. During my tenure there, I
expanded the forum by creating a monthly newsletter, Creative Coding, which
reached over 15 thousand members. I served as editor-in-chief, and pulled
together a dedicated team of web designers to assist in this effort. As
administrator, I reorganized and formed a "team leadership" concept. I kept
the forum on track, settling all the riots and arguments that inevitably
happen within a web community. I handled support requests, fixed problems,
installed modifications, staved off plagiarized forums and handled a
thousand other details to help the forum continue to grow. I was amazing-if
I do say so myself!

In search of new frontiers, I started a new forum in 2008. Along with two
excellent developers, and friends, Karinne Legault and Linda Chadbourne,
together we founded The Web Squeeze, LLC. Why? Because we needed to slave
away for countless hours on a project that brings in little money but has
loads of raw potential. We needed the challenge. We needed the experience of
starting from scratch and building a web world! So, step aside Sim City.
This is the real deal, and it?s GREAT!

I also have a design company, aptly named Fire Net Studios, we truly are
"heating up the web" with HOT new designs. I also tutor and do some contract
repair work for various companies.

You are welcome to review more information about me at any of my websites...

http://www.jacobhaug.com/
http://www.thewebsqueeze.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/jacobhaug

Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you shortly!

Jacob
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From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Tue Oct 28 16:23:14 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:23:14 -0400
Subject: Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <6579f9f30810272325p1cdf2c90g4b36969afde3e571@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6579f9f30810272325p1cdf2c90g4b36969afde3e571@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081028162314.GE13865@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

On 2008-10-28 02:25:18 AM, Jacob Haug wrote:
> My name is Jacob Haug, and I'm interested in joining the Fedora Websites
> Project. 
Welcome!  Apart from this mailing list, a bunch of us hang out in
the #fedora-websites IRC channel on Freenode, and we have weekly
meetings if you can make it:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings

A bunch of current websites tasks/requests are tracked at
http://tinyurl.com/5w6hp8 and
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks.  

Feel free to ask if you have any questions, etc.

Ricky
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From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Tue Oct 28 16:27:44 2008
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:27:44 -0400
Subject: Join
In-Reply-To: <1672c380810272212o2d641ea7q14ff2857df4ac663@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1672c380810272212o2d641ea7q14ff2857df4ac663@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081028162744.GF13865@sphe.res.cmu.edu>

On 2008-10-28 01:12:41 PM, ?? wrote:
> What should I do next?
See if you can make our weekly meetings:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings

Also, if you're interested, there are some websites tasks at:
http://tinyurl.com/5w6hp8 and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks.

Let us know if you have any questions,
Ricky
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From kwade at redhat.com  Tue Oct 28 22:43:42 2008
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:43:42 -0700
Subject: Join
In-Reply-To: <1672c380810250146r7d0abbb5g277422e5c7756e85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1672c380810250146r7d0abbb5g277422e5c7756e85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1225233822.28007.20.camel@calliope.phig.org>


On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 16:46 +0800, ?? wrote:
> I am a Fedora fan,
> and
> I wanna join the Fedora project,

This should help:

http://join.fedoraproject.org

Good luck!
-- 
Karsten Wade, Community Gardener
Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com
Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
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From hydra84 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 11:45:43 2008
From: hydra84 at gmail.com (Paolo Leoni)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:45:43 +0100
Subject: Fedora 10 countdown banner
Message-ID: <49099E67.20800@gmail.com>

Hi there, the preview release of Fedora 10 is a good date to start the
final release countdown.

I've two proposals for you:

http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_1.svg
http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2.svg

If you like one of these, I can provide soon the Italian translation
package.


-- 
Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org
GPG fingerprint:  DAD1 6419 D42B 0B1C D9E1 A9CB 4587 4812 17F7 F764



From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro  Thu Oct 30 12:04:08 2008
From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:04:08 +0200
Subject: Fedora 10 countdown banner
In-Reply-To: <49099E67.20800@gmail.com>
References: <49099E67.20800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4909A2B8.30101@nicubunu.ro>

Paolo Leoni wrote:
> Hi there, the preview release of Fedora 10 is a good date to start the
> final release countdown.
> 
> I've two proposals for you:
> 
> http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_1.svg
> http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2.svg

I would go for the second, as it is closer to what we used for the Beta.

> If you like one of these, I can provide soon the Italian translation
> package.


-- 
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro



From snipesxxl at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 28 15:29:31 2008
From: snipesxxl at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_aka_=F6p=F6time_aka_Snipes_Karel?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:29:31 +0100
Subject: hi, i misspelled your site but it gives a redirekt
Message-ID: <36f584470810280829x76c39b5aj6acad270d7b4479b@mail.gmail.com>

hi,
im from germany i dont know your lang so i try to writte it english.

i was browsing the web and misspelled your URL

http://fedoraprojekt.org

because in germany we writte projekt with k not c

but it redirekt to a www.*.ru site

i cant speak ru so i dont know its ok or not i just wanna give a note about
it.


if i have taken your time for nothing, im really sorry

regards
Jan
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From hydra84 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 15:48:21 2008
From: hydra84 at gmail.com (Paolo Leoni)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:48:21 +0100
Subject: Fedora 10 countdown banner
In-Reply-To: <4909A2B8.30101@nicubunu.ro>
References: <49099E67.20800@gmail.com> <4909A2B8.30101@nicubunu.ro>
Message-ID: <4909D745.5010300@gmail.com>

Nicu Buculei ha scritto:

> 
> I would go for the second, as it is closer to what we used for the Beta.
> 

About the second banner, I propose a little variant:

http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2b.svg
http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2b.png

I've upload also for the others files their respectives PNG formats:

http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_1.svg
http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_1.png

http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2.svg
http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2.png

-- 
Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org
GPG fingerprint:  DAD1 6419 D42B 0B1C D9E1 A9CB 4587 4812 17F7 F764




From duffy at fedoraproject.org  Thu Oct 30 16:58:02 2008
From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:58:02 -0400
Subject: Fedora 10 countdown banner
In-Reply-To: <4909D745.5010300@gmail.com>
References: <49099E67.20800@gmail.com> <4909A2B8.30101@nicubunu.ro>
	<4909D745.5010300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4909E79A.6020801@fedoraproject.org>

Hi Paolo!

Paolo Leoni wrote:
> Nicu Buculei ha scritto:
> 
>> I would go for the second, as it is closer to what we used for the Beta.
>>
> 
> About the second banner, I propose a little variant:
> 
> http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2b.svg
> http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2b.png

I like this variant the best because it uses our new font
consistently. I don't think the other two designs do.

May I suggest a few changes?

- I think 'CAMBRIDGE' is a little hard to read because of a
combination of the thin font and the low contrast with the
background. I also think the text doesn't have enough
breathing space from the right and bottom edges of the
banner. What I would suggest is trying a solid white color
for the "Cambridge" and nudging the font maybe 5 pixels from
the right edge and maybe 5 -7 pixels from the bottom edge to
give it some breathing room. You may need to scale the font
down to give it that much space, but I think that's okay.

- I think I would use the normal version of MgOpen Modata
(maybe with a 1 - 2 px white stroke to give it a little bit
of a boost) just because I think the bold variant of Modata
is a little overly wide. We usually use the regular variant
of Modata with a 1-2 stroke boost in other banners/etc where
we use numbers.

- I would tighten the leading between "released" and "in".
In the text tool I think by default Inkscape sets the
leading to be 125%, I'd dial it down to 100% or 90%. It just
makes the words easier to read. Right now the "release" and
"in" are separated by enough space that it doesn't quite
look like they are part of the same phrase.

- I don't know if this would work, but I would try for
mockup purposes a horizontal split layout as well as this
vertical split layout. What I mean by this is try putting
the "Fedora 10 Cambridge" text to the top left of the
graphic, and run the "released in 20 days" text across the
bottom. We do have a bit of a pattern of running this kind
of text along the bottom of the banners as in this one:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_PromoBanners_fedora9alpha-banner_mo.png
(the full library is here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/PromoBanners#Promo_Banners)
so it may be worth a shot just to see what it looks like. I
know we've gone with the vertical split design for the
countdown banners for a while, but it might be nice to try
some consistency with the other banners we do.

Anyhow, I hope this feedback is helpful. I am really glad
that you took this work item on because we really need this
banner design. Thanks!

~m



From hydra84 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 19:33:27 2008
From: hydra84 at gmail.com (Paolo Leoni)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:33:27 +0100
Subject: Fedora 10 countdown banner
In-Reply-To: <4909E79A.6020801@fedoraproject.org>
References: <49099E67.20800@gmail.com> <4909A2B8.30101@nicubunu.ro>
	<4909D745.5010300@gmail.com> <4909E79A.6020801@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <490A0C07.7020706@gmail.com>

Hi Mo, first of all thank you for your precious hints.
I've follow them about the banner #2, you can find it in the new version
to this link:

http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2c.svg
http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2c.png

M?ir?n Duffy ha scritto:
> - I don't know if this would work, but I would try for
> mockup purposes a horizontal split layout as well as this
> vertical split layout. What I mean by this is try putting
> the "Fedora 10 Cambridge" text to the top left of the
> graphic, and run the "released in 20 days" text across the
> bottom. We do have a bit of a pattern of running this kind
> of text along the bottom of the banners as in this one:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_PromoBanners_fedora9alpha-banner_mo.png
> (the full library is here:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/PromoBanners#Promo_Banners)
> so it may be worth a shot just to see what it looks like. I
> know we've gone with the vertical split design for the
> countdown banners for a while, but it might be nice to try
> some consistency with the other banners we do.

I've also tried to make a "horizontal styled" banner like you have
suggested:

http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_3.svg
http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_3.png

> Anyhow, I hope this feedback is helpful. I am really glad
> that you took this work item on because we really need this
> banner design. Thanks!
> 
> ~m
> 

Sure, your feedback was very helpful, thank you :-)


-- 
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From dawnajoewalkem at rogers.com  Thu Oct 30 18:38:21 2008
From: dawnajoewalkem at rogers.com (Dawna-Joe)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:38:21 -0500
Subject: F10 beta download
Message-ID: <61C41E4F84BF495897C81BE0D15622CB@dawnajoe>

hello

i have tried several times to download the i386 install dvd for F 10 beta.
i can only get at most 770bytes of the download before it tells me the download is finished.

i have also tried to download it from the mirror site ftp.uci.edu with the same results.
im just wondering if there is a problem with the file.

thanks
allyn barnes
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From sadiaspace at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 30 21:57:11 2008
From: sadiaspace at yahoo.co.uk (THOBILE MDLULI)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:57:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: removal of fedora page
Message-ID: <34287.71351.qm@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

kindly remove the fedora test page please ..
i cant access the times of swaziland anymore..
at? www.the times.co.sz
?
thanx


      
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From craigt at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct 31 13:12:14 2008
From: craigt at fedoraproject.org (Craig Thomas)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:12:14 -0400
Subject: removal of fedora page
In-Reply-To: <34287.71351.qm@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <34287.71351.qm@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dcfb610d0810310612x33f55a31m3f52a822e5bb49f4@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/30 THOBILE MDLULI <sadiaspace at yahoo.co.uk>:
> kindly remove the fedora test page please ..
> i cant access the times of swaziland anymore..
> at  www.the times.co.sz

Hi,

The url:

http://www.times.co.sz

is not a Fedora owned server, you can do a whois lookup in order to
find the actual owner.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage

And at any rate, the site seems to be up now.

Cheers,

--
Craig



From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Fri Oct 31 16:02:43 2008
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:32:43 +0530
Subject: F10 beta download
In-Reply-To: <61C41E4F84BF495897C81BE0D15622CB@dawnajoe>
References: <61C41E4F84BF495897C81BE0D15622CB@dawnajoe>
Message-ID: <490B2C23.4090306@fedoraproject.org>

Dawna-Joe wrote:
> hello
>  
> i have tried several times to download the i386 install dvd for F 10 beta.
> i can only get at most 770bytes of the download before it tells me the 
> download is finished.
>  
> i have also tried to download it from the mirror site ftp.uci.edu 
> <ftp://ftp.uci.edu> with the same results.
> im just wondering if there is a problem with the file.

No but we have released three newer snapshot releases at 
http://torrent.fedoraproject.org. The preview release will be out fairly 
soon as well. So you might want to download either the snapshot now or 
the preview release later.

Rahul