From krzysztof.cala at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 19:34:08 2009 From: krzysztof.cala at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Krzysztof_Ca=C5=82a?=) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:34:08 +0200 Subject: f12 translations - polish Message-ID: hello I can translate the content to the Polish language. if anyone is also interested ? Krzysztof -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From venkatreddy442 at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 05:17:28 2009 From: venkatreddy442 at gmail.com (venkat reddy) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:47:28 +0530 Subject: Fwd: PLease Can u Solve my Problem IN Fedora 11 Whle using In-Reply-To: <9a48e61c0907012201n19a52149p61f3114195058c90@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a48e61c0907012201n19a52149p61f3114195058c90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a48e61c0907012217k14094151ofa8ce655bfad71f7@mail.gmail.com> Please can u solve my following problem with Fedora11? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: venkat reddy Date: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:31 AM Subject: PLease Can u Solve my Problem IN Fedora 11 Whle using To: mirror-admin at fedoraproject.org Hi, I am getting Problem in opening then window of Circuit simulator( Cadence Simulator & Mentor Graphics simulator , both ) after clicking on the Circuit file in Fedora 11. I had got the same in Fedora 10 before it . I am using DELL Laptop with core 2 duo processor, 2GB RAM. We were not getting any problems in opening of "Circuit Window" in Desktops, eventhough we had used Fedora 11 and 10. Can u Solve my Problem in Laptop by following the given Error of " Font" . Queries: 1) Eventhough We had Installed All types of "Font"s in Fedora 11, still window is not being opened. 2) Do you think its the Problem with laptop hardware Or Circuit Simulator Sofware? 3)Or The problem with Fedora11 with DELL Laptop. We get opened the Circuit window in Desktop computer with the same Fedora11 software? 4) Whome should I conatct ? Whether it is to fedora people, Circuit simulator softwares, Or DELL Laptop? Please Solve my Problem soon Please give me any contact IDs of People with them I will get my problem solved. Have a great day Thanks&Regards A.Venkat Reddy Roll no:08407616 Phd Scholar, Electrical engineering department, IIT Bombay, India. Mobile no:9820413272. My ERROR In Laptop: Starting application ... please wait // Design Architect-IC Hotkeys Userware Module // Design Architect-IC Commlib Userware Module // Design Architect-IC v2006.2_1.1 Wed Feb 7 13:59:05 PST 2007 // EDDM-IC v2006.2_1.1 Wed Feb 7 13:58:23 PST 2007 // Falcon Framework IC v2006.2_1.1 Wed Feb 7 15:02:48 PST 2007 // // Copyright Mentor Graphics Corporation 2006 // // All Rights Reserved. // // THIS WORK CONTAINS TRADE SECRET AND PROPRIETARY INFORMATION // WHICH IS THE PROPERTY OF MENTOR GRAPHICS CORPORATION OR // ITS LICENSORS AND IS SUBJECT TO LICENSE TERMS. // // Mentor Graphics software executing under x86_64 Linux. // // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = '-*-times-medium-r-*-*-12-*', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = '-*-helvetica-bold-r-normal-*-8-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = 'helvetica-bold:12', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = '-*-helvetica-medium-o-normal-*-8-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = 'helvetica-oblique:14', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = '-*-courier-medium-r-*-*-8-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = 'courier:12', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = '-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-8-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = 'helvetica:14', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = '-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-8-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = 'helvetica:10', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = '-*-helvetica-bold-r-normal-*-8-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = 'helvetica-bold:10', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = '-*-helvetica-bold-o-normal-*-8-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = 'helvetica-boldoblique:10', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = '-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-8-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // // WARNING: Font loading failed. Please see the following notes for more information. // NOTE: Xhost = 'vlsi34', // NOTE: Xserver = 'localhost.localdomain', // NOTE: font name = 'helvetica:10', // NOTE: font package = '(null)'. // ERROR -- Unhandled exception caught: caught signal 11 - SIGSEGV: segmentation violation (_Z14core_tracebackPv+0x1a) [0x2a978ac19a] (_Z15base_fixup_funcP11Core_statusP15Core_xcpt_hndlr+0xb7) [0x40085d27] (_ZN15Core_xcpt_hndlr5raiseEP11Core_statusNS_32Core_xcpt_hndlr_raise_permissionE+0x34) [0x2a978b89a4] (_ZN11Ui_area_att11font_heightEv+0x2d) [0x2a96e9821d] (_ZN17Ui_text_menu_item12measure_fontEb+0x41) [0x2a96ee62a1] (_ZN17Ui_text_menu_itemC2ERK9Core_rstrS2_S2_bPliiSs+0x17e) [0x2a96ee5f3e] (_ZN17Context_menu_itemC1ERK9Core_rstrS2_S2_S2_S2_S2_bPliiSs+0x7e) [0x2a96ee6f2e] (_ZN9C_sysf_fp6invokeEP16Ui_logical_event+0x31) [0x2a96f85081] (_ZNK16Ui_callable_type4callEPK13Mule_callableRK10Mule_scopeRK11Mule_vectorR11Core_status+0x66e) [0x2a96f4881e] (_ZN13Ampl_callable24call_with_processed_argsERK9Mule_nameRK10Mule_scopeRK11Mule_vectorR11Core_status+0x228) [0x2a97358cc8] (_ZN13Ampl_callable4callERK9Mule_nameRK10Mule_scopeRK11Mule_vectorR11Core_status+0x25f) [0x2a9735860f] (_ZN9Ampl_eval9BC_CALL_fEPS_R11EVAL_locals+0x69c) [0x2a97304c3c] (_ZN9Ampl_eval2goER11Core_statusPK10Mule_frame+0x5df) [0x2a9734449f] (_ZN9Ampl_eval2goER11Core_statusR9Ampl_wareRK10Mule_scopeRK11Mule_vectorPK10Mule_frame+0x984) [0x2a972a9214] (_ZNK14Ampl_ware_type4callEPK13Mule_callableRK10Mule_scopeRK11Mule_vectorR11Core_status+0x55) [0x2a972cb995] (_ZN13Ampl_callable4callERK9Mule_nameRK10Mule_scopeRK11Mule_vectorR11Core_status+0x58a) [0x2a9735893a] (_ZN8Ui_scope4callEP13Ampl_callableRK9Ui_valuesR8Ui_valueR11Core_status+0x90) [0x2a96f9fe30] (_ZN8Ui_scope5setupERK9Core_rstrS2_i+0x1742) [0x2a96fa2302] (_ZN7Ui_area9ctor_initEv+0xa3) [0x2a96e8b0a3] (_ZN7Ui_areaC2EiisP16Ui_attribute_mgr+0x1a8) [0x2a96e8b2c8] (_ZN14Ui_framed_areaC2EP7Ui_areaiiib+0x5d) [0x2a96ebb83d] (_ZN11Ui_ovl_areaC2Eiii+0x25) [0x2a96ee9fc5] (_ZN15Ui_session_areaC2ERK9Core_rstribi+0x4c) [0x2a96f0a7ec] (_ZN10Sc_sessionC2ERK11Core_string+0x45) [0x2a968ddda5] (_ZN10Fb_sessionC1ERK11Core_string+0x25) [0x400a1a35] -- venkata reddy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have experience in these website programming languages: PHP HTML CSS JAVA XML And i want to learn more. Introduction of myself. My name is Mikael Lundberg and i live at "?stersund", Sweden. I have worked with website development (beside my studies) since 4 years ago. Feel free to contact me. Best regards, Mikael Lundberg _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ * Contacts* MSN: mikael [DOT] lundberg [AT] omikes [DOT] com Email: mikael [DOT] lundberg [AT] omikes [DOT] com _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fizikus13 at freemail.hu Thu Jul 2 17:42:19 2009 From: fizikus13 at freemail.hu (Eszenyi Gergely) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: wireless network connection Message-ID: I have the following problem: I use Fedora 10 on ASUS laptop. I have and i can use wired network connection, but the wireless network connection is not working. I can not connect to local wireless network. Why? My laptop has atheros communications inc. AR242X 802.11abg wireless PCI express adapter. I have probed an ubuntu 8.10 only live cd, and on this live cd the wireless network connection has worked well. So the mistake is no hardware problem. I have probed to install driver by the following mode: yum install madwifi, but no result. Can you help me? Your's sincerely Gergely Eszenyi ________________________________________________________
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When I remove Fedora-11-i686-Live.iso from address and retry I finally get correctly redirected to the FTP-server http://ftp.crc.dk/fedora/linux/releases/11/Live/i686/ From where I can download the iso-image by popping up the context- menu (right-clicking). This may be a browser issue, since I tried another machine with Ubuntu and Firefox installed, and Firefox had no problems redirecting correctly. Hope this is helpful, Dennis Decker Jensen From onekopaka at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 01:08:19 2009 From: onekopaka at gmail.com (Darren VanBuren) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:08:19 -0700 Subject: wireless network connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88072240-8537-4256-8548-BF874E657AF2@gmail.com> This isn't the place for this. Try #fedora on irc.freenode.org or see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate . Darren VanBuren ------------------------- Sent from my iPod Try Fedora 10 today. Fire it up. http://fedoraproject.org/ On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:42, Eszenyi Gergely wrote: > > I have the following problem: I use Fedora 10 on ASUS laptop. I have > and i can use wired network connection, but the wireless network > connection is not working. I can not connect to local wireless > network. Why? My laptop has atheros communications inc. AR242X > 802.11abg wireless PCI express adapter. I have probed an ubuntu 8.10 > only live cd, and on this live cd the wireless network connection > has worked well. So the mistake is no hardware problem. I have > probed to install driver by the following mode: yum install madwifi, > but no result. Can you help me? > > Your's sincerely > > Gergely Eszenyi > > > > ________________________________________________________ > Last minute nyaral?sok ak?r 60%-os kedvezm?nnyel: www.budavartours. > hu > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 3 10:49:15 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:49:15 -0400 Subject: Websites Meeting - 2009-07-03 17:00 UTC Message-ID: <20090703104658.GA15245@alpha.rzhou.org> Hey, just a reminder that there'll be a meeting at 17:00 UTC today. I'm afraid I won't be able to make this one, but hopefully Mel and some of the other regulars will be around to keep this going. Thanks and sorry for the short notice, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Apologies for being so quiet and slow on this; it's been a hectic week. --Mel From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 3 12:58:57 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:28:57 +0530 Subject: Websites Meeting - 2009-07-03 17:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4A4E0050.3030904@redhat.com> References: <20090703104658.GA15245@alpha.rzhou.org> <4A4E0050.3030904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A4E0091.2090205@fedoraproject.org> I will be able to make it, but i want to know what are the things to speak about and also i need to be a channel Op so i can go further. Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. On 07/03/2009 06:27 PM, Mel Chua wrote: >> Hey, just a reminder that there'll be a meeting at 17:00 UTC today. I'm >> afraid I won't be able to make this one, but hopefully Mel and some of >> the other regulars will be around to keep this going. > > I'm actually going to be on the road traveling back from DC then, so I > won't be able to make it either - but I'll be hitting up the list with > join.fp.org updates today. Apologies for being so quiet and slow on > this; it's been a hectic week. > > --Mel > From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 3 17:23:42 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:53:42 +0530 Subject: Meeting Log Message-ID: <4A4E3E9E.6070107@fedoraproject.org> Here is the meeting log for the meeting held on 2nd July 2009 17:01:27 #startmeetingWebsites Meeting 17:01:31 damn you! 17:01:32 #topicWho's here 17:01:33*ianweller 17:01:43 * nb is here 17:01:50*hiemanshu is here 17:01:53*nb curses bot commands that he doesn't know how to use well 17:01:55*markg85 is here 17:02:07 #topicwww.fedoraproject.org 17:02:12 hiemanshu, or markg85? 17:02:19 markg85, go ahead 17:02:22 nb, yes? 17:02:30 markg85, your part 17:02:37*nb thinks you two are heading up the www.fp.o stuff aren't you? or who was that? 17:02:47 markg85, what are the feedback on www.fp.o 17:02:53 yeah, the feedback 17:03:00 Oke, ready to start with the websites. exams are over so time to get on www.f.o 17:03:05 fp* 17:03:30 markg85, what about feedback ? 17:03:31 as for the feedback, none gotten none requested, to busy with school 17:03:33 did you get any? 17:03:52 nb, so what needs to be done? 17:04:02*nb guesses getting feedback? 17:04:09 which mark said he would do now that his exams are over 17:04:22 do you want to help hiemanshu? 17:04:41 nb, yes, he said he was getting feedback and then we would work together on it 17:04:46 oh ok 17:04:49 oke 17:05:04 #agreedmarkg85 will ask for feedback on www.fedoraproject.org, then hiemanshu will help him come up with ideas to address the feedback 17:05:15 #topicblogs.fedoraproject.org 17:05:17 oke 17:05:22*nb guesses that is me 17:05:26 not much has happened lately 17:05:27 nb, go ahead 17:05:40 blogs.. didn't know fedora had those ^_^ 17:05:41 Nigel does not seem to like responding to me 17:05:42 we reinstalled blogs.fedoraproject.org using packages this time to closely resemble what it will be like when it is deployed 17:05:54 right now we are mainly blocking on FAS integration, which we didn't think we would be blocking on at first 17:06:04 but mmcgrath said that it is a requirement for all new webapps 17:06:18 i haven't had a lot of time the last few days to work on it, but hopefully will soon 17:06:21 hmmm, so we have the link to a auth plugin we can use 17:06:29 hiemanshu, to modify it 17:06:32 I am having exams as well 17:06:36 it doesnt work with fas, it works with gmail 17:06:47 but i am optimistic that i can kind of combine that with the fas wiki plugin 17:06:55 nb, yes we can modify it using the plugin from MediaWiki 17:06:59 anything you want to add about blogs hiemanshu? 17:07:02 yes we can do that 17:07:20 nb, do you think we should allow anyone to change any file? 17:07:31 thats one important part 17:07:36 #agreednb and hiemanshu and onekopaka will continue working on FAS integration for blogs.fedoraproject.org 17:07:45 hiemanshu, the way we had been doing it is working on /wpnew 17:07:52 and then id copy the changes to the main one when they are ready 17:07:57 i tend to like that, your thoughts? 17:08:09 YEs 17:08:22 We test on wpmunew and then copy it to main blog 17:08:25 just curious, where is that blogging system based on? wordpress? 17:08:32 markg85, wordpress-mu 17:08:38 nb, i think you should add the basic mysql DB as well 17:08:47 hiemanshu, ? 17:08:52 it has a mysql db 17:08:53 nb, you do know wordpress is quite a resource hog right 17:08:58 nb, we need to save specific changes 17:09:12 we need to copy the sql file while deploying it 17:09:28 hiemanshu, yeah, i intend to take a dump of the final pt mysql to deploy 17:09:39 nb, exactly what i meant 17:09:40 although we have discussed setting it up anew on the real server 17:09:42 anything else? 17:10:08 but that would remove the basic setting 17:10:20 #agreedall changes will be made to /wp-stage and then will be copied to /wp by nb when they are stable 17:10:25*nb will rename /wpmunew to wp-stage 17:10:28 unless someone objects 17:10:46*hiemanshu nods 17:10:54 #topicUser gallery 17:10:55 no objections 17:11:13 I am in charge of this 17:11:22 But i have no idea of what mizmo wanted 17:11:31 as i have not spoken to her for quite some time 17:11:48 email? 17:11:51 nb, markg85, what do you think you need for a User Gallery? 17:11:59*nb not sure what user gallery means? 17:12:17 nb, exactly what i want to know as well 17:12:18 isn't it just intended to be one big page of user images (no desktop screenshot but person foto's)? 17:12:30 markg85, no idea 17:12:40 perhaps email mizmo? 17:12:43 .fasinfo mizmo 17:12:45 nb: User "mizmo" doesn't exist 17:12:48 nb, sure will do that 17:12:51 .fasinfo duffy 17:12:52 nb: User: duffy, Name: M?ir?n Duffy, email: mairin at linuxgrrl.com, Creation: 2006-04-07, IRC Nick: mizmo, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5100548, GPG key ID: 65E04EE2, Status: active 17:12:53 .fasinfo duffy 17:12:55 ahah 17:12:56 nb: Approved Groups: cla_done web fedorabugs cvsfedora packager sysadmin art gitbluecurve cla_fedora sysadmin-noc gitthemes gitfedoracommunity gitpulp gitspacewalk gitspins gitmoksha designteam 17:12:57 nb: Unapproved Groups: None 17:12:59 hiemanshu: User: duffy, Name: M?ir?n Duffy, email: mairin at linuxgrrl.com, Creation: 2006-04-07, IRC Nick: mizmo, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5100548, GPG key ID: 65E04EE2, Status: active 17:13:02 hiemanshu: Approved Groups: cla_done web fedorabugs cvsfedora packager sysadmin art gitbluecurve cla_fedora sysadmin-noc gitthemes gitfedoracommunity gitpulp gitspacewalk gitspins gitmoksha designteam 17:13:05 well if that's the idea then you can just search on user gallery's to find examples 17:13:05 hiemanshu: Unapproved Groups: None 17:13:36 #agreedhiemanshu will contact mizmo to find out more of what she is looking for for the user gallery 17:13:47 Correct 17:13:48 #topicOpen Floor 17:13:57 ?? open floor ?? 17:14:01*nb supposes it is open floor now 17:14:04 I will be on off for the next week 17:14:11 anyone have anything we haven't discussed yet? 17:14:12 So dont expect much of me 17:14:14 what is it? 17:14:26 markg85, basically open floor means anyone can talk about whatever they have for the meeting 17:14:45 markg85, meaning the agenda is done, does anyone have anything else to bring up at the meeting 17:15:00 oh didn't know that 17:15:02 nb, anything on get.fp.o? 17:15:10*nb not sure who was working on get 17:15:22 i heard the get-fedora page mentioned at the board meeting 17:15:38 well.. www.fp.o and get.fp.o are kinda related so i think hiemanshu and i need to take get.fp.o into the questions as well 17:15:38*hiemanshu was not there 17:15:47*nb wasn't really 17:15:52 half of it was just reading backlog 17:15:55 markg85, wait i ll look up the Project page 17:16:00 k 17:16:40 oh, apparently i hsould have used #action so-and-so will do this 17:16:41 oh well 17:16:45 agreed works too 17:16:52 markg85, its got your name and mizmos name on it 17:16:53*nb is new to chairing a meeting 17:17:23 hiemanshu, oke.. guess i have to ask stuff about that anyway :) 17:17:36 yes 17:17:48 and i see a link to this : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-June/msg00091.html 17:17:50 markg85, so you will get feedback on it also? 17:18:01 #actionmarkg85 will get feedback on get.fedoraproject.org also 17:18:18 nb, yes 17:18:43 and perhaps it would be wise for hiemanshu to do the same since both pages are related 17:18:48 nb, you might want to change this : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#blogs.fedoraproject.org 17:19:07 yeahok 17:19:10*nb hadn't looked at that 17:19:12 markg85, i will not quite be here for some time so you can do that 17:19:29 #actionnb will change the wiki page for blogs.fedoraproject.org 17:19:34 #linkhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#blogs.fedoraproject.org 17:19:47 Oke, i will start gathering feedback on #fedora tomorrow 17:20:09 nb, i think thats it 17:20:26 #infonb has changed the wiki page for blogs.fedoraproject.org 17:20:34 if nothing else i will close the meeting in 30 seconds 17:20:49*markg85 has nothing more 17:21:02*hiemanshu nods 17:21:04 #endmeeting Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John From maillist at diffingo.com Sat Jul 4 21:11:52 2009 From: maillist at diffingo.com (Stewart Adam) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:11:52 -0400 Subject: [mockup patch] A get-fedora page which makes it easier to select the DE, arch and download method Message-ID: <4A4FC598.6050600@diffingo.com> Hi, In light of the recent discussions about increasing the visibility of the x86_64 and KDE media downloads, I've created a mockup page that I think would help solve both problems. It's similar to the current pages, but I've added a "Customize" section which allows users to select between KDE/Gnome, i586/x86_64/PPC, and the preferred download method in a few clicks (although seeing I haven't coded any of the Javascript to make the URL changes work properly). As an added bonus, it also places the BitTorrent download option upfront which should help reduce mirror load. One of the disadvantages to adding a customize section is that it decreases the user-friendliness of our download page slightly, however I think if we offer sane defaults and place the customize section below the "Download Now" links we can avoid most of this (new users can still click "download now" and start right away, while experienced users can read on and select their preferred DE/arch/download method). Any ideas, comments, concerns or feedback are welcome. Regards, Stewart -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: get-fedora-kde-arch-dlmethod.patch URL: From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sat Jul 4 21:43:43 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:43:43 -0400 Subject: [mockup patch] A get-fedora page which makes it easier to select the DE, arch and download method In-Reply-To: <4A4FC598.6050600@diffingo.com> References: <4A4FC598.6050600@diffingo.com> Message-ID: <1246743823.11489.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Stewart, On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 17:11 -0400, Stewart Adam wrote: > Hi, > > In light of the recent discussions about increasing the visibility of > the x86_64 and KDE media downloads, I've created a mockup page that I > think would help solve both problems. It's similar to the current pages, > but I've added a "Customize" section which allows users to select > between KDE/Gnome, i586/x86_64/PPC, and the preferred download method in > a few clicks (although seeing I haven't coded any of the Javascript to > make the URL changes work properly). As an added bonus, it also places > the BitTorrent download option upfront which should help reduce mirror load. > > One of the disadvantages to adding a customize section is that it > decreases the user-friendliness of our download page slightly, however I > think if we offer sane defaults and place the customize section below > the "Download Now" links we can avoid most of this (new users can still > click "download now" and start right away, while experienced users can > read on and select their preferred DE/arch/download method). > > Any ideas, comments, concerns or feedback are welcome. Thanks for the patch, but I feel quite strongly that this is not the right approach. We've discussed this at length in the past few websites meetings and had agreed that such an approach for the default page is not a good idea because it's too intimidating for beginner users. This might be a good option for the advanced page, however, I've found a lot of technical folks complain when they're given a widget+widget+widget = one link kind of page, they'd prefer a field of links so they can copy link urls in one click & page load. ~m From herlo1 at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 19:45:44 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:45:44 -0600 Subject: Fedora Talk Conference Bridges - Patch Message-ID: I did some work today to update the fedora talk website to include a list of public conference bridges. http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/websites/talk/0001-Added-conference-bridge-page.patch Cheers, Clint From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 6 23:13:38 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:13:38 -0400 Subject: f12 translations - polish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090706231338.GC4580@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-01 09:34:08 PM, Krzysztof Ca?a wrote: > I can translate the content to the Polish language. > if anyone is also interested ? Hi, I think there is already a Polish translation at http://fedoraproject.org/pl/. If you are interested in helping out with translation though, take a look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N. Thanks a lot, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 6 23:14:29 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:14:29 -0400 Subject: Fwd: PLease Can u Solve my Problem IN Fedora 11 Whle using In-Reply-To: <9a48e61c0907012217k14094151ofa8ce655bfad71f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a48e61c0907012201n19a52149p61f3114195058c90@mail.gmail.com> <9a48e61c0907012217k14094151ofa8ce655bfad71f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090706231429.GD4580@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-02 10:47:28 AM, venkat reddy wrote: > ?Please can u solve my following problem with Fedora11? 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Cheers, Clint From drkmafia at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 7 03:42:50 2009 From: drkmafia at fedoraproject.org (oshan rubesinghe) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:12:50 +0530 Subject: Fedora Talk Conference Bridges - Patch In-Reply-To: References: <20090706232158.GG4580@alpha.rzhou.org> Message-ID: <27fe641e0907062042t60fd7dbfl5e80339c9a15dfcc@mail.gmail.com> how do i join to the conference ? sorry but im a newbie 2009/7/7 Clint Savage : > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Ricky Zhou wrote: >> On 2009-07-05 01:45:44 PM, Clint Savage wrote: >>> I did some work today to update the fedora talk website to include a >>> list of public conference bridges. >>> >>> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/websites/talk/0001-Added-conference-bridge-page.patch >> Looks good to me, but I think you might have missed wrapping a few >> strings in ${_('...')}. ?Anybody else have any comments on this? >> >> Thanks, >> Ricky >> > /me goes to look as he though the got them all! > > I did do another update today, don't know if you saw that... > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 7 03:48:51 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:48:51 -0400 Subject: Fedora Talk Conference Bridges - Patch In-Reply-To: References: <20090706232158.GG4580@alpha.rzhou.org> Message-ID: <20090707034851.GI4580@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-06 05:52:01 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > /me goes to look as he though the got them all! > > I did do another update today, don't know if you saw that... Oh, sorry - I was just looking at the patch, I didn't know that you had pushed already. Thanks for the fixes! Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 04:36:56 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:36:56 -0600 Subject: Fedora Talk Conference Bridges - Patch In-Reply-To: <27fe641e0907062042t60fd7dbfl5e80339c9a15dfcc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090706232158.GG4580@alpha.rzhou.org> <27fe641e0907062042t60fd7dbfl5e80339c9a15dfcc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:42 PM, oshan rubesinghe wrote: > how do i join to the conference ? sorry but im a newbie > Oshan, You need to read up on http://talk.fedoraproject.org, the information on usage is there and even a nice tutorial on how to use Twinkle (a soft VoIP phone). If english is not your primary language, try http://talk.fedoraproject.org/pt_BR/ (pt_BR is Portuguese for Brazil, you may need a different language). Cheers, Clint From la_89ondevg at yahoo.in Tue Jul 7 19:34:19 2009 From: la_89ondevg at yahoo.in (Rituraj Tyagi) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 01:04:19 +0530 (IST) Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <478074.49046.qm@web95015.mail.in2.yahoo.com> sir/mamAs a regular fedora user I want to report that I find this content on your page I may be there is some problem with the application or page hope you find this info useful Database error From FedoraProject Jump to: navigation, search A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function "Database::begin". MySQL returned error "2013: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111 (db1)". 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The last attempted database query was: > > (SQL query hidden) > > from within function "Database::begin". MySQL returned error "2013: Lost > connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system > error: 111 (db1)". > Retrieved from "https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites" > Category: Hi, thanks a lot for your report. We think this may have happened due to a mysql restart that occurred today. Please let us know if continue to see this error. Thanks a lot, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Feedback fedoraproject.org and get-fedora User 1 - fedora main site -- no issues, it's fine - get.fp.o -- KDE download is a bit hidden -- x64 is hidden. users suggestion: perhaps 2 download buttons: 'download x64' and 'download x32' -- user said: also add buttons for the dvd versions of tose 2 architectures -- Make the gnome-kde choosable like on the mandriva download page -- Ajax popup with download details (distribution, desktop environment, installation guide etc...) After showing the mandriva download style he said he only missed the architecture option User 2 - fedora main site -- Misses a big download fedora button, something that attracts the attention - get.fp.o -- Misses a big download fedora button, something that attracts the attention -- Spins, where do i need them for? remove it! User 3 - fedora main site -- 'looks oke' - get.fp.o -- More infor on spins rather then just one link -- keep it simple -- When asked for an x64 download link: "I don't think it should be there, as many people would download it, and it wouldn't work on their non x86_64 machines." User 4 - fedora main site -- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites." - get.fp.o -- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites." -- "no issues, it was pretty obvious it's the second big button" -- ""Trying to download x64"" well, it seems harder because I went to the list of mirrors instead of just instantly getting the download link -->also, when I got to the mirror list I had to click on a mirror and browse to where the iso files are for F11 -->we're talking 8-9 clicks at least instead of 1x -->for the 3rd or 4th most common download it would be nice if it were shorter, but not a big deal to me -->I'd like it if their was a link directly to the file you wanted on the mirror (if that is possible or even makes sense) -->but it would be possible for it to start me off in say /release/11/Fedora/x86_64 -->yeah, that would make sense for it to do that after I click on the filter for F11 x86_64 -->yep, that seems like it would be better instead of starting at the base User 5 - fedora main site -- seems OK, everything looks like its working, by preference I like a bit more of a banner on sites, but thats personal -- posibly more of a note that its based on the comercial Red Hat distro - get.fp.o -- seems fine to me User 6 - fedora main site -- if I'm new to linux and need help, do I click docs, wiki, get help, or what? -- too much unused white space - get.fp.o -- seems too cluttered -- leads me to wonder wtf I click on -- and it lacks consistancy -- if you have several options, display them in a consistent manner -->that page has a couple different options in the middle, other options in a different style on the right (well, i think they are different) and then other, alternat eoptions at the bottom -->could it not list all the options in one consistant list, explaining what each is, with the different download options? User 7 - fedora main site -- None - get.fp.o -- i guess download button could be bigger, but i noticed it immediately User 8 - fedora main site -- should have a big "download" button -- Well, i think user who wants to install something *NIX'y is pretty advanced to find a download link on the website - get.fp.o -- None User 9 - fedora main site -- and it should probably have a better link text -- I mean, imagine reading it; Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now INSTALLABLE LIVE CD! - get.fp.o -- only thing is the "download now" link might not be obvious as a link - Other -- one last thing; the layout breaks on a small viewport (4-500px wide) -- should have some minimal width limiter -- http://w-wins.com/images/brokenlayout.png Mixed from: UxerX and UserY (and others) -- the front-page of fedoraproject.org is a bit non-descript -- anonymous, if you will -- since this is mostly about getting people to use it, I'd go for a more "in your face" approach, have a direct download button on the front page, larger logo, more "THIS IS FEDORA" :) -- when the writing goes one word per line, things are bad -- no prominent logos, nothing -- i would have something similar to how firefox has theirs, short and sweet with a bit of kapow -- if i didn't know what fedora is i wouldn't immediately know what it was -- ONE sentence explaining that "This is the Linux distro for you" and a download button :) -- that little blurb needs to be more bolder or something -- stand out more -- I think part of the problem is that the lion image in the navigation dominates there, without communicating anything (alt text does not count) -- I just think if you want people to actually download it, then Download link needs to be the first thing that draws the eye -- change the lion-image with a download fedora 11 button -- http://www.getfirefox.com http://www.getsongbird.com >>> take them as example -- most people who visit your site won't want a tour. They want a download link. -- take a look at the get firefox page, i love what they have going on at the bottom, short snappy bits of information -- Make that big lion a download button, then have a tour button somewhere else -- Or maybe you could have two buttons in that area...top one is tour, bottom one is download -- Yeah - I think what the fedora-page need is a clear goal and plan for the page -- the ubuntu website does it well, take note of that -- is it a page mainly meant for getting Fedora? -- then emphasize that -- and make support, "what is" and all that other stuff less prominent -- and less than 50 words on the main front page blurb -- people are wanting immediate satisfaction nowadays -- they don't want to search for information -- they want a clear, concise text telling them what, why and where -- especially important for a website of this type From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Jul 8 16:21:38 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:21:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: /images/favicon.ico Message-ID: Can someone create a /images/favicon.ico or figure out what is trying to request it? We get a lot of 404's there. -Mike From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 8 17:12:28 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:12:28 -0400 Subject: /images/favicon.ico In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090708171228.GL4580@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-08 11:21:38 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > Can someone create a /images/favicon.ico or figure out what is trying to > request it? We get a lot of 404's there. I just looked around and couldn't find any where that this is referenced from any of our apps. Unfortunately, these log entries didn't have referers or anything :-/ I'm not sure that it's worth copying the file unless we can find something that refers to it (that we can't change). Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm just trying to clean up our error logs a bit and this is one of our top offenders. -Mike From opensource at till.name Wed Jul 8 20:26:15 2009 From: opensource at till.name (Till Maas) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:26:15 +0200 Subject: /images/favicon.ico In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200907082226.22378.opensource@till.name> On Wed July 8 2009, Mike McGrath wrote: > Can someone create a /images/favicon.ico or figure out what is trying to > request it? We get a lot of 404's there. One creating a 404 is linked here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/ There are also some other images creating 404s there: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/images/16_build_state_@%7Bstate%7D.png https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/images/16_hover_bubble.png https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/images/16_karma- @%7Bkarma_level%7D.png Regards Till -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bmason at redhat.com Wed Jul 8 16:19:48 2009 From: bmason at redhat.com (Bryan Mason) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:19:48 -0700 Subject: Broken links for EPEL Message-ID: <4A54C724.8020801@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It would appear that the links to the various EPEL repositories are broken in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL. The i386, x86_64, ppc, and sources links in the following section all return 404 errors. # Available Packages: * EPEL 5: i386 , x86_64 , ppc , sources * EPEL 4: i386 , x86_64 , ppc , sources The link to URLs are of the form: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel///repoview/ It looks like the "repoview/" part is incorrect. I cn access the repositories with a URL like the following: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel// Please let me know if I can provide further information. ~ Bryan Bryan Mason, Senior Software Maintenance Engineer Red Hat | Email: bmason at redhat.com 444 Castro Street | GPG ID: 0x2066BE31 Suite 1200 | Office: 650-254-4233 Mountain View, CA 94041 | Mobile: 650-704-6455 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpUxyQACgkQDE/ZSSBmvjGGiQCgiv8EqkbxZzbhJBxMiB9rMlue 16cAn108GkjwVXsRyGTht9Rk7dA+wcT+ =j1ow -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 9 00:48:26 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:48:26 -0400 Subject: Broken links for EPEL In-Reply-To: <4A54C724.8020801@redhat.com> References: <4A54C724.8020801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090709004826.GA31041@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-08 09:19:48 AM, Bryan Mason wrote: > It would appear that the links to the various EPEL repositories are > broken in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL. > > The i386, x86_64, ppc, and sources links in the following section all > return 404 errors. > > # Available Packages: > > * EPEL 5: i386 , x86_64 , ppc , sources > * EPEL 4: i386 , x86_64 , ppc , sources > > > The link to URLs are of the form: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel///repoview/ > > It looks like the "repoview/" part is incorrect. I cn access the > repositories with a URL like the following: Hi, I think this is a known issue with the repos right now, and the repoview pages should show up again with the next push. Thanks for the report, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 9 05:18:01 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:48:01 +0530 Subject: Broken links for EPEL In-Reply-To: <4A54C724.8020801@redhat.com> References: <4A54C724.8020801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A557D89.1000909@fedoraproject.org> On 07/08/2009 09:49 PM, Bryan Mason wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > It would appear that the links to the various EPEL repositories are > broken in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL. Known issue. Take a look at https://www.redhat.com/archives/epel-devel-list/2009-July/msg00061.html Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 9 05:20:21 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:50:21 +0530 Subject: Download Now! button does not work on Get Fedora page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A557E15.8030108@fedoraproject.org> On 07/02/2009 08:19 PM, Dennis Decker Jensen wrote: > Hello webmaster. > > On http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora the "Download Now!" button > does not work correctly. I thought it was a temporary issue, since I > tried this first on the Fedora 11 release date, but the issue remains. > > I use Mac OS X and Safari to download the iso image. > > When I push the button I get redirected to > > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Live/i686/Fedora-11-i686-Live.iso Did anyone test this with Safari? Rahul From sciencekid66 at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 08:25:19 2009 From: sciencekid66 at gmail.com (John Conley) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:25:19 -0400 Subject: Download Now! button does not work on Get Fedora page In-Reply-To: <4A557E15.8030108@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A557E15.8030108@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A56FAEF.1080603@gmail.com> i also attempted this in safari, only i wqas running in windows. it said it couldn't open the page, probably because it was an ftp mirror. curious, curious. Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 07/02/2009 08:19 PM, Dennis Decker Jensen wrote: > >> Hello webmaster. >> >> On http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora the "Download Now!" button >> does not work correctly. I thought it was a temporary issue, since I >> tried this first on the Fedora 11 release date, but the issue remains. >> >> I use Mac OS X and Safari to download the iso image. >> >> When I push the button I get redirected to >> >> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Live/i686/Fedora-11-i686-Live.iso >> > > Did anyone test this with Safari? > > Rahul > > From luckysharma11 at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 11:42:31 2009 From: luckysharma11 at gmail.com (Saurabh Sharma) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:12:31 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 : Download Link Not Working Message-ID: <78f5b3530907090442x30f1d010gc82a571bcf8e34fc@mail.gmail.com> Clicking i386 - Install DVD on http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all gives us 403,please resolve asap A wget hit [ssharma at l_ssharma ~]$ wget http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso --17:09:43-- http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso Resolving download.fedoraproject.org... 152.46.7.222, 209.132.176.120, 66.35.62.166, ... Connecting to download.fedoraproject.org|152.46.7.222|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 FOUND Location: http://fedora.iitm.ac.in/releases/11/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso [following] --17:09:45-- http://fedora.iitm.ac.in/releases/11/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso Resolving fedora.iitm.ac.in... 203.199.213.69 Connecting to fedora.iitm.ac.in|203.199.213.69|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden 17:09:45 ERROR 403: Forbidden. [ssharma at l_ssharma ~]$ From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 10 07:22:31 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:22:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 : Download Link Not Working In-Reply-To: <78f5b3530907090442x30f1d010gc82a571bcf8e34fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <78f5b3530907090442x30f1d010gc82a571bcf8e34fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090710072231.GA3196@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-09 05:12:31 PM, Saurabh Sharma wrote: > Clicking i386 - Install DVD on > http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all > gives us 403,please resolve asap Hi, we're reporting this to the mirror now, until then you should be able to obtain it at ftp://fedora.iitm.ac.in/linux/fedora/releases/11/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From michal.pecio at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 13:56:34 2009 From: michal.pecio at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82?= Pecio) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:56:34 +0200 Subject: Checksum validation instructions for Windows Message-ID: <20090710155634.489d6046@burak.pl> Hi. There are instructions for ISO checksum validation on Windows available at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/en_US/sn-validating-files.html Maybe it would be a good idea to add link to Microsoft's own SHA1/MD5 calculator (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=B3C93558-31B7-47E2-A663-7365C1686C08). I've recently met a bit paranoid guy who complained on an Internet forum that he can't verify Fedora ISO checksum on his Windows system because your site doesn't provide any Windows utility for that and instead it only points to some 3rd party tools, which he doesn't trust. Regards, MP From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 10 14:40:59 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:40:59 -0400 Subject: Websites Meeting - 2009-07-10 at 17:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <5efedeb10907100736tb3774a5n57aaa1c012ee19c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090710143410.GC3196@alpha.rzhou.org> <5efedeb10907100736tb3774a5n57aaa1c012ee19c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090710144059.GD3196@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-10 02:36:36 PM, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote: > I cannot be there as the net here is down from the past two days. But > i would like you people to talk about the user gallery with mizmo. Sure thing, do you have any particular questions we should bring up? Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't make it this week because of a business meeting. :( I have been working on a mockup/redesign for get-fedora based on user feedback but it's not quite complete yet. ~m From tmz at pobox.com Fri Jul 10 14:46:17 2009 From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:46:17 -0400 Subject: Checksum validation instructions for Windows In-Reply-To: <20090710155634.489d6046@burak.pl> References: <20090710155634.489d6046@burak.pl> Message-ID: <20090710144617.GE19992@inocybe.localdomain> Hi Micha?, Micha? Pecio wrote: > There are instructions for ISO checksum validation on Windows > available at > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/en_US/sn-validating-files.html > > Maybe it would be a good idea to add link to Microsoft's own > SHA1/MD5 calculator > (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=B3C93558-31B7-47E2-A663-7365C1686C08). > I've recently met a bit paranoid guy who complained on an Internet > forum that he can't verify Fedora ISO checksum on his Windows system > because your site doesn't provide any Windows utility for that and > instead it only points to some 3rd party tools, which he doesn't > trust. From a quick look, it doesn't appear that the MS tool can verify SHA-256 checksums, which is what Fedora 11 and newer use (the burning ISOs document needs to be updated, the documentation team is aware of and working on that). It's rather unfortunate that there is such a lack of quality tools for performing checksum verification available on the Windows platform. I can understand someone being averse to trusting a third party verification tool, but at the same time, if that person is running Windows they most certainly have much more to worry about. :) If you know of a reasonably trusted tool that can verify SHA-256 checksums on Windows, we'd be very interested to hear about it. -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it. -- Thomas Paine -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pecio wrote: >> There are instructions for ISO checksum validation on Windows >> available at >> >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/en_US/sn-validating-files.html >> >> Maybe it would be a good idea to add link to Microsoft's own >> SHA1/MD5 calculator >> (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=B3C93558-31B7-47E2-A663-7365C1686C08). >> I've recently met a bit paranoid guy who complained on an Internet >> forum that he can't verify Fedora ISO checksum on his Windows system >> because your site doesn't provide any Windows utility for that and >> instead it only points to some 3rd party tools, which he doesn't >> trust. > > From a quick look, it doesn't appear that the MS tool can verify > SHA-256 checksums, which is what Fedora 11 and newer use (the burning > ISOs document needs to be updated, the documentation team is aware of > and working on that). > > It's rather unfortunate that there is such a lack of quality tools for > performing checksum verification available on the Windows platform. > > I can understand someone being averse to trusting a third party > verification tool, but at the same time, if that person is running > Windows they most certainly have much more to worry about. :) > > If you know of a reasonably trusted tool that can verify SHA-256 > checksums on Windows, we'd be very interested to hear about it. > > -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it. > -- Thomas Paine > > -- Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. From mail.msafwat at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 16:38:49 2009 From: mail.msafwat at gmail.com (Mohammed Safwat) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:38:49 +0300 Subject: Fedora-websites-list Digest, Vol 45, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <20090710160042.A66E061AAF9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20090710160042.A66E061AAF9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: I have applied to websites group , but I'm still " unapproved".Is there any other things to do I may be missing? On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:00 PM, wrote: > Send Fedora-websites-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-websites-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-websites-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-websites-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Websites Meeting - 2009-07-10 at 17:00 UTC (Ricky Zhou) > 2. Re: Checksum validation instructions for Windows > (Hiemanshu Sharma) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:47:31 -0400 > From: Ricky Zhou > Subject: Re: Websites Meeting - 2009-07-10 at 17:00 UTC > To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20090710144731.GE3196 at alpha.rzhou.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On 2009-07-10 10:40:46 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I can't make it this week because of a business meeting. :( I have been > > working on a mockup/redesign for get-fedora based on user feedback but > > it's not quite complete yet. > Awesome! We look forward to seeing how some of the x86_64/KDE issues > can be solved. I guess you can Hiemanshu can find each other on IRC to > talk about the user gallery sometime. > > Thanks, > Ricky > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 197 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/attachments/20090710/8424d282/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:54:45 +0000 > From: Hiemanshu Sharma > Subject: Re: Checksum validation instructions for Windows > To: Todd Zullinger > Cc: webmaster at fedoraproject.org, Micha? Pecio > Message-ID: > <5efedeb10907100754p542e2d71ye0c99c80b448fb88 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > You can link and use HashCalc. Its a trusted software and i have been > using it for quite some while on my other computers. > > Regards, > > Hiemanshu sharma > > On 10/07/2009, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > Hi Micha??, > > > > Micha?? Pecio wrote: > >> There are instructions for ISO checksum validation on Windows > >> available at > >> > >> > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/en_US/sn-validating-files.html > >> > >> Maybe it would be a good idea to add link to Microsoft's own > >> SHA1/MD5 calculator > >> ( > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=B3C93558-31B7-47E2-A663-7365C1686C08 > ). > >> I've recently met a bit paranoid guy who complained on an Internet > >> forum that he can't verify Fedora ISO checksum on his Windows system > >> because your site doesn't provide any Windows utility for that and > >> instead it only points to some 3rd party tools, which he doesn't > >> trust. > > > > From a quick look, it doesn't appear that the MS tool can verify > > SHA-256 checksums, which is what Fedora 11 and newer use (the burning > > ISOs document needs to be updated, the documentation team is aware of > > and working on that). > > > > It's rather unfortunate that there is such a lack of quality tools for > > performing checksum verification available on the Windows platform. > > > > I can understand someone being averse to trusting a third party > > verification tool, but at the same time, if that person is running > > Windows they most certainly have much more to worry about. :) > > > > If you know of a reasonably trusted tool that can verify SHA-256 > > checksums on Windows, we'd be very interested to hear about it. > > > > -- > > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it. > > -- Thomas Paine > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Hiemanshu Sharma. > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > End of Fedora-websites-list Digest, Vol 45, Issue 13 > **************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 10 17:21:55 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:21:55 -0400 Subject: Meeting Log - 2009-07-10 Message-ID: <20090710172155.GG3196@alpha.rzhou.org> /me still needs to learn to use meetbot - sorry about missing that this week :-) 17:00 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Who's here? 17:00 * markg85 is here 17:00 * ricky had a feeling this was going to be a quick one :-) 17:00 < hiran> hiran is here. 17:02 < ricky> hiran: Hey, are you new around the websites team? 17:02 < hiran> ricky : ya 17:02 < markg85> hiran, welcome ^_^ 17:02 < ricky> Cool, welcome 17:02 < hiran> Thanks All 17:03 < ricky> OK, I guess let's get started 17:03 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Tasks 17:03 < ricky> OK, so any updates on tasks for this week? 17:03 < markg85> o yea 17:04 < ricky> Go ahead :-) 17:05 < markg85> Well it was requested that feedback on fedoraproject.org and get.fp.o was gathered by me, hiemanshu and mizmo and i did it :) 17:05 < markg85> quite a lot of feedback actually 17:06 < markg85> so a link to it: 17:06 * markg85 looks for it 17:06 < markg85> http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt 17:07 < ricky> Cool - hopefully that'll be useful for the work mizmo was looking at with get-fedora 17:07 < ricky> She couldn't make this meeting, so we'll probably get updated on that next meeting or via the mailing list 17:08 < markg85> mizmo and i where looking at get-fedora and hiemanshu and i where looking at the main fedora page (or am i wrong now?) 17:08 < ricky> That sounds right 17:08 < ricky> OK - so quick update on the blogs.fp.o work that nb|away has been working on 17:09 < ricky> I think that's currently waiting on FAS auth and that's it 17:09 < ricky> There's at least a partial auth plugin that exists now, but it still has a lot of bugs to be worked out 17:10 * ianweller is here 17:10 < markg85> it's quite hard for me to get any further on those 2 sites now 17:10 < ricky> Busy with life? :-) 17:10 < markg85> i guess we need to discuss what's in the feedback but the persons required for that are not here 17:10 < ricky> ianweller: Hey 17:11 < ricky> markg85: Yeah, these past two weeks have been really busy for a lot of people 17:11 < markg85> ianweller, hi 17:11 < ricky> Feel free to ping on the mailing though 17:11 < ricky> I only have one update on my tasks, from just a few minutes ago :-) 17:11 < markg85> ricky, i would have expected a reply from them in the list where i posted the feedback. no reply yet 17:11 < ricky> I've made the first contact to the docs team about some of the thoughs we had on how docs.fp.o could be improved: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00057.html 17:12 < ricky> Hopefully that'll be received positively 17:13 < ricky> So any other updates on tasks right now? 17:13 < markg85> nope 17:14 < ricky> All right then 17:14 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Open Floor 17:14 < ricky> Does anybody have anything they want to discuss? 17:14 < ricky> I know it's kind ofa small meeting here today 17:14 < ricky> **of a 17:14 < ricky> For those reading the logs: 17:14 < ricky> If this time has started not working for you, we can certainly look at changing times too 17:15 < ricky> So please reply on list if that applies to you 17:15 < markg85> only that i would like 'feedback' on the feedback i gathered ^_^ 17:15 < ricky> markg85: What I'd do is post a couple of questions about the feedback in response to your original post 17:15 < ricky> That should get you some responses 17:15 < markg85> will give that i try 17:15 < markg85> a* 17:15 < ricky> Thanks 17:16 < ricky> OK, so if there's nothing else, I'll close the meeting a few minutes 17:16 < ricky> hiran: Did you send a self-intro to list, by the way? 17:16 < hiran> ricky: no 17:17 < ricky> Ah, that'd be good to do when you get a chance so that people know you're here :-) 17:17 < hiran> but i have applied to the website team. 17:18 < ricky> There are a lot of changes being talked about with websites now - it's just hard to get everybody together at the same time :-/ 17:18 < markg85> ricky, perhaps send a mail to the list today or tomorrow for the meeting next week? 17:19 < ricky> markg85: Sure, or maybe we can wait a day or two first to see if anybody responds to this week's logs and wants to look at changing the meeting itme 17:19 < ricky> **time 17:19 < ricky> But I'll definitely send it earlier for next week 17:19 < markg85> oke good 17:20 < ricky> Anyway, sorry this one went a bit short. Our meetings seem to always be either 10-15 minutes or >1.5 hours long, depending on how many people are here :-) 17:20 < ricky> Anyway, 17:20 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Meeting Close 17:20 * ricky sends logs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 10 21:34:03 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:34:03 +0000 Subject: Meeting Log - 2009-07-10 In-Reply-To: <20090710172155.GG3196@alpha.rzhou.org> References: <20090710172155.GG3196@alpha.rzhou.org> Message-ID: <5efedeb10907101434g6c8dfa86xdd057182e3457482@mail.gmail.com> Well i could not be there due to problems with my internet connection. To me the time is perfect and i have no problems at all. Ricky is there a list or something for changes pending. Mark i will catch you on MSN ASAP. Now that my exams are over as well we can get a lot done. Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. On 10/07/2009, Ricky Zhou wrote: > /me still needs to learn to use meetbot - sorry about missing that this > week :-) > > 17:00 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites > Meeting - Who's here? > 17:00 * markg85 is here > 17:00 * ricky had a feeling this was going to be a quick one :-) > 17:00 < hiran> hiran is here. > 17:02 < ricky> hiran: Hey, are you new around the websites team? > 17:02 < hiran> ricky : ya > 17:02 < markg85> hiran, welcome ^_^ > 17:02 < ricky> Cool, welcome > 17:02 < hiran> Thanks All > 17:03 < ricky> OK, I guess let's get started > 17:03 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites > Meeting - Tasks > 17:03 < ricky> OK, so any updates on tasks for this week? > 17:03 < markg85> o yea > 17:04 < ricky> Go ahead :-) > 17:05 < markg85> Well it was requested that feedback on fedoraproject.org > and get.fp.o was gathered by me, hiemanshu and mizmo and i did it :) > 17:05 < markg85> quite a lot of feedback actually > 17:06 < markg85> so a link to it: > 17:06 * markg85 looks for it > 17:06 < markg85> > http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt > 17:07 < ricky> Cool - hopefully that'll be useful for the work mizmo was > looking at with get-fedora > 17:07 < ricky> She couldn't make this meeting, so we'll probably get updated > on that next meeting or via the mailing list > 17:08 < markg85> mizmo and i where looking at get-fedora and hiemanshu and i > where looking at the main fedora page (or am i wrong now?) > 17:08 < ricky> That sounds right > 17:08 < ricky> OK - so quick update on the blogs.fp.o work that nb|away has > been working on > 17:09 < ricky> I think that's currently waiting on FAS auth and that's it > 17:09 < ricky> There's at least a partial auth plugin that exists now, but > it still has a lot of bugs to be worked out > 17:10 * ianweller is here > 17:10 < markg85> it's quite hard for me to get any further on those 2 sites > now > 17:10 < ricky> Busy with life? :-) > 17:10 < markg85> i guess we need to discuss what's in the feedback but the > persons required for that are not here > 17:10 < ricky> ianweller: Hey > 17:11 < ricky> markg85: Yeah, these past two weeks have been really busy for > a lot of people > 17:11 < markg85> ianweller, hi > 17:11 < ricky> Feel free to ping on the mailing though > 17:11 < ricky> I only have one update on my tasks, from just a few minutes > ago :-) > 17:11 < markg85> ricky, i would have expected a reply from them in the list > where i posted the feedback. no reply yet > 17:11 < ricky> I've made the first contact to the docs team about some of > the thoughs we had on how docs.fp.o could be improved: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00057.html > 17:12 < ricky> Hopefully that'll be received positively > 17:13 < ricky> So any other updates on tasks right now? > 17:13 < markg85> nope > 17:14 < ricky> All right then > 17:14 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites > Meeting - Open Floor > 17:14 < ricky> Does anybody have anything they want to discuss? > 17:14 < ricky> I know it's kind ofa small meeting here today > 17:14 < ricky> **of a > 17:14 < ricky> For those reading the logs: > 17:14 < ricky> If this time has started not working for you, we can > certainly look at changing times too > 17:15 < ricky> So please reply on list if that applies to you > 17:15 < markg85> only that i would like 'feedback' on the feedback i > gathered ^_^ > 17:15 < ricky> markg85: What I'd do is post a couple of questions about the > feedback in response to your original post > 17:15 < ricky> That should get you some responses > 17:15 < markg85> will give that i try > 17:15 < markg85> a* > 17:15 < ricky> Thanks > 17:16 < ricky> OK, so if there's nothing else, I'll close the meeting a few > minutes > 17:16 < ricky> hiran: Did you send a self-intro to list, by the way? > 17:16 < hiran> ricky: no > 17:17 < ricky> Ah, that'd be good to do when you get a chance so that people > know you're here :-) > 17:17 < hiran> but i have applied to the website team. > 17:18 < ricky> There are a lot of changes being talked about with websites > now - it's just hard to get everybody together at the same time :-/ > 17:18 < markg85> ricky, perhaps send a mail to the list today or tomorrow > for the meeting next week? > 17:19 < ricky> markg85: Sure, or maybe we can wait a day or two first to see > if anybody responds to this week's logs and wants to look at changing the > meeting itme > 17:19 < ricky> **time > 17:19 < ricky> But I'll definitely send it earlier for next week > 17:19 < markg85> oke good > 17:20 < ricky> Anyway, sorry this one went a bit short. Our meetings seem > to always be either 10-15 minutes or >1.5 hours long, depending on how many > people are here :-) > 17:20 < ricky> Anyway, > 17:20 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites > Meeting - Meeting Close > 17:20 * ricky sends logs > -- Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. From markg85 at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 22:32:49 2009 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:32:49 +0200 Subject: Feedback gathered for fedoraproject.org and get.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80907080610j1be05556ve28c8579df7f4792@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80907080610j1be05556ve28c8579df7f4792@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80907101532w5421b23dw32e1fa983b18aad5@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Mark wrote: > Hey, > > It was suggested that i gather feedback on the 2 sites to see what > users experience when they want to download fedora. > Here is the feedback. (file is here incase the format is off: > http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt) > And i have anonymized all the feedback because some people asked that > before i started to ask questions. > The feedback below was gathered in a few irc rooms mostly #fedora and > #web. hiemanshu helped me gathering some of the feedback below. > Personal real world feedback is asked from 6 persons but not given > since fedora would't even run on there stock notebooks! > > Feedback fedoraproject.org and get-fedora > > User 1 > ?- fedora main site > ?-- no issues, it's fine > > ?- get.fp.o > ?-- KDE download is a bit hidden > ?-- x64 is hidden. users suggestion: perhaps 2 download buttons: > 'download x64' and 'download x32' > ?-- user said: also add buttons for the dvd versions of tose 2 architectures > ?-- Make the gnome-kde choosable like on the mandriva download page > ?-- Ajax popup with download details (distribution, desktop > environment, installation guide etc...) > > ?After showing the mandriva download style he said he only missed the > architecture option > > User 2 > ?- fedora main site > ?-- Misses a big download fedora button, something that attracts the attention > > ?- get.fp.o > ?-- Misses a big download fedora button, something that attracts the attention > ?-- Spins, where do i need them for? remove it! > > User 3 > ?- fedora main site > ?-- 'looks oke' > > ?- get.fp.o > ?-- More infor on spins rather then just one link > ?-- keep it simple > ?-- When asked for an x64 download link: "I don't think it should be > there, as many people would download it, and it wouldn't work on their > non x86_64 machines." > > User 4 > ?- fedora main site > ?-- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites." > > ?- get.fp.o > ?-- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites." > ?-- "no issues, it was pretty obvious it's the second big button" > ?-- ""Trying to download x64"" well, it seems harder because I went to > the list of mirrors instead of just instantly getting the download > link > ?-->also, when I got to the mirror list I had to click on a mirror and > browse to where the iso files are for F11 > ?-->we're talking 8-9 clicks at least instead of 1x > ?-->for the 3rd or 4th most common download it would be nice if it > were shorter, but not a big deal to me > ?-->I'd like it if their was a link directly to the file you wanted on > the mirror (if that is possible or even makes sense) > ?-->but it would be possible for it to start me off in say > /release/11/Fedora/x86_64 > ?-->yeah, that would make sense for it to do that after I click on the > filter for F11 x86_64 > ?-->yep, that seems like it would be better instead of starting at the base > > User 5 > ?- fedora main site > ?-- seems OK, everything looks like its working, by preference I like > a bit more of a banner on sites, but thats personal > ?-- posibly more of a note that its based on the comercial Red Hat distro > > ?- get.fp.o > ?-- seems fine to me > > User 6 > ?- fedora main site > ?-- if I'm new to linux and need help, do I click docs, wiki, get help, or what? > ?-- too much unused white space > > ?- get.fp.o > ?-- seems too cluttered > ?-- leads me to wonder wtf I click on > ?-- and it lacks consistancy > ?-- if you have several options, display them in a consistent manner > ?-->that page has a couple different options in the middle, other > options in a different style on the right (well, i think they are > different) and then other, alternat eoptions at the bottom > ?-->could it not list all the options in one consistant list, > explaining what each is, with the different download options? > > User 7 > ?- fedora main site > ?-- None > > ?- get.fp.o > ?-- i guess download button could be bigger, but i noticed it immediately > > User 8 > ?- fedora main site > ?-- should have a big "download" button > ?-- Well, i think user who wants to install something *NIX'y is pretty > advanced to find a download link on the website > > ?- get.fp.o > ?-- None > > User 9 > ?- fedora main site > ?-- and it should probably have a better link text > ?-- I mean, imagine reading it; Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now > INSTALLABLE LIVE CD! > > ?- get.fp.o > ?-- only thing is the "download now" link might not be obvious as a link > > ?- Other > ?-- one last thing; the layout breaks on a small viewport (4-500px wide) > ?-- should have some minimal width limiter > ?-- http://w-wins.com/images/brokenlayout.png > > Mixed from: UxerX and UserY (and others) > -- the front-page of fedoraproject.org is a bit non-descript > -- anonymous, if you will > -- since this is mostly about getting people to use it, I'd go for a > more "in your face" approach, have a direct download button on the > front page, larger logo, more "THIS IS FEDORA" :) > -- when the writing goes one word per line, things are bad > -- no prominent logos, nothing > -- i would have something similar to how firefox has theirs, short and > sweet with a bit of kapow > -- if i didn't know what fedora is i wouldn't immediately know what it was > -- ONE sentence explaining that "This is the Linux distro for you" and > a download button :) > -- that little blurb needs to be more bolder or something -- stand out more > -- I think part of the problem is that the lion image in the > navigation dominates there, without communicating anything (alt text > does not count) > -- I just think if you want people to actually download it, then > Download link needs to be the first thing that draws the eye > -- change the lion-image with a download fedora 11 button > -- http://www.getfirefox.com ? ?http://www.getsongbird.com >>> take > them as example > -- most people who visit your site won't want a tour. ?They want a > download link. > -- take a look at the get firefox page, i love what they have going on > at the bottom, short snappy bits of information > -- Make that big lion a download button, then have a tour button somewhere else > -- Or maybe you could have two buttons in that area...top one is tour, > bottom one is download > -- Yeah - I think what the fedora-page need is a clear goal and plan > for the page > -- the ubuntu website does it well, take note of that > -- is it a page mainly meant for getting Fedora? > -- then emphasize that > -- and make support, "what is" and all that other stuff less prominent > -- and less than 50 words on the main front page blurb > -- people are wanting immediate satisfaction nowadays > -- they don't want to search for information > -- they want a clear, concise text telling them what, why and where > -- especially important for a website of this type > I'm hoping the website ppl could take a look at this feedback list to see what they like of it followed by a discussion (in the next website meeting?) to see what we can do about the main fedora page and the get fedora page. So, time for feedback on the feedback ^_^ From mel at redhat.com Sat Jul 11 02:39:35 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:39:35 -0400 Subject: Feedback gathered for fedoraproject.org and get.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80907101532w5421b23dw32e1fa983b18aad5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80907080610j1be05556ve28c8579df7f4792@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80907101532w5421b23dw32e1fa983b18aad5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A57FB67.3030904@redhat.com> Wow. This is fantastic, Mark - thanks to you and Hiemanshu for taking the time to go out and get a ton of data! Comments inline. >> User 4 >> - fedora main site >> -- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites." I wonder how experienced this user was. :) >> User 5 >> - fedora main site >> -- posibly more of a note that its based on the comercial Red Hat distro ...hm, that's a thought, if somewhat backwards - if anything, RHEL is based on Fedora, not the other way around (as I understand it, anyway) - not sure how the current way of showing the Fedora <--> Red Hat connection was chosen (it's currently in a tiny little sponsorship-note footer at the bottom of http://fedoraproject.org/) but I'm sure there's a good reason for it. >> User 6 >> - fedora main site >> -- if I'm new to linux and need help, do I click docs, wiki, get help, or what? +infinity >> - get.fp.o >> -- and it lacks consistancy >> -- if you have several options, display them in a consistent manner >> -->that page has a couple different options in the middle, other >> options in a different style on the right (well, i think they are >> different) and then other, alternat eoptions at the bottom >> -->could it not list all the options in one consistant list, >> explaining what each is, with the different download options? Man, this person gives good, concrete feedback. >> - fedora main site >> -- and it should probably have a better link text >> -- I mean, imagine reading it; Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now >> INSTALLABLE LIVE CD! YES >> -- one last thing; the layout breaks on a small viewport (4-500px wide) >> -- should have some minimal width limiter >> -- http://w-wins.com/images/brokenlayout.png Great point - do we have any heuristics that we're evaluating our sites against, any standard tests we run for sanity? (Making sure it works on a certain list of screen sizes, a certain set of browsers, that kind of thing?) >> -- if i didn't know what fedora is i wouldn't immediately know what it was This is *incredibly* important. >> -- most people who visit your site won't want a tour. They want a >> download link. Really? I wonder if there is a good way we can empirically prove this. --Mel From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sat Jul 11 02:51:50 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:51:50 -0400 Subject: Feedback gathered for fedoraproject.org and get.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <4A57FB67.3030904@redhat.com> References: <6e24a8e80907080610j1be05556ve28c8579df7f4792@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80907101532w5421b23dw32e1fa983b18aad5@mail.gmail.com> <4A57FB67.3030904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1247280710.2613.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 22:39 -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > >> - fedora main site > >> -- and it should probably have a better link text > >> -- I mean, imagine reading it; Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now > >> INSTALLABLE LIVE CD! > > YES I'm not following at all... > > >> -- one last thing; the layout breaks on a small viewport (4-500px wide) > >> -- should have some minimal width limiter > >> -- http://w-wins.com/images/brokenlayout.png > > Great point - do we have any heuristics that we're evaluating our sites > against, any standard tests we run for sanity? (Making sure it works on > a certain list of screen sizes, a certain set of browsers, that kind of > thing?) 800x600 and up is reasonable. 400-500 px wide isn't quite as reasonable. > >> -- most people who visit your site won't want a tour. They want a > >> download link. > > Really? I wonder if there is a good way we can empirically prove this. Why would I expend energy to download an operating system if I don't understand what it is I would be getting for the effort? ~m From mel at redhat.com Sat Jul 11 06:35:13 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:35:13 -0400 Subject: Feedback gathered for fedoraproject.org and get.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1247280710.2613.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <6e24a8e80907080610j1be05556ve28c8579df7f4792@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80907101532w5421b23dw32e1fa983b18aad5@mail.gmail.com> <4A57FB67.3030904@redhat.com> <1247280710.2613.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A5832A1.3000105@redhat.com> >>>> -- and it should probably have a better link text >>>> -- I mean, imagine reading it; Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now >>>> INSTALLABLE LIVE CD! >> YES > > I'm not following at all... Yeah, I wasn't really clear... Current http://fedoraproject.org site: tiny blue "--> Get Fedora" on the middle of the left side" Compare to, say, http://www.ubuntu.com/ - banner stretching across the top with "Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop Edition / Save time and boot faster / Get productive with the latest apps / Enjoy an improved user experience" and then a high-contrast "Download" (and "Take the Tour") button right below that text. Maybe we don't need *all* that stuff, but it's more descriptive and a lot easier to find. >> Great point - do we have any heuristics that we're evaluating our sites >> against, any standard tests we run for sanity? (Making sure it works on >> a certain list of screen sizes, a certain set of browsers, that kind of >> thing?) > > 800x600 and up is reasonable. 400-500 px wide isn't quite as reasonable. That's a totally reasonable minimum bar - I think we just need to make clear somewhere that that *is* the minimum bar, and that problems at lower resolutions are a wontfix. I started https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Heuristics to try and keep track of ideas for this - it's very much a draft, but I'm wondering whether having a good set of rules-of-thumb might help us answer "it breaks in this case, do we care about this case?" questions in the future. Trying to think out loud why someone might have less than 800px width: * Viewing fp.o on a mobile browser is probably an edge case and can be ignored (stats could prove me wrong, though - I wonder how to get access to those stats... maybe Ian might have some ideas) * Someone on an 800+px wide display might have two windows open side-by-side (comparing the Fedora homepage with the Gentoo homepage, or surfing the web on the left side of his/her screen and reading email on the right). This sounds more plausible to me; my laptop is 1024x768 and it's not uncommon for me to have two browser windows side by side, each filling up half my screen (so, accounting for scrollbars and such, somewhere around 500px width each). >>>> -- most people who visit your site won't want a tour. They want a >>>> download link. >> Really? I wonder if there is a good way we can empirically prove this. > > Why would I expend energy to download an operating system if I don't > understand what it is I would be getting for the effort? Also thinking off the top of my head... I think a better reason might be "some people will already come to fp.o knowing that they want to dl Fedora, even before taking the tour. Who are they?" * someone (I trust, possibly an Ambassador standing beside me) has already told me I should just download this "Fedora" thing and they'll help me get started * I do understand what I'd be getting; I already know what Fedora is and just need to grab an image file and am easily frustrated by Fitt's Law * some people blithely click on download links first, then figure out what they're getting afterwards. Not that it's a good idea, mind you... but I've watched enough people have this as almost a knee-jerk reaction to a webpage that... I mean, it happens. All my reasoning in this email and my previous one are a lot more hand-wavy conjecturing than I'd like. I need to sit down and learn how to get hold of our actual website stats, so I can base these kinds of statements on Actual Data. --Mel From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sat Jul 11 07:06:23 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:06:23 -0400 Subject: Feedback gathered for fedoraproject.org and get.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <4A5832A1.3000105@redhat.com> References: <6e24a8e80907080610j1be05556ve28c8579df7f4792@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80907101532w5421b23dw32e1fa983b18aad5@mail.gmail.com> <4A57FB67.3030904@redhat.com> <1247280710.2613.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A5832A1.3000105@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1247295983.2613.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 02:35 -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > * Viewing fp.o on a mobile browser is probably an edge case and can be > ignored (stats could prove me wrong, though - I wonder how to get access > to those stats... maybe Ian might have some ideas) We really should just format the site differently - at the very least have a different style sheet - to target this specifically if we decide to support it. We don't officially now. > > * Someone on an 800+px wide display might have two windows open > side-by-side (comparing the Fedora homepage with the Gentoo homepage, or > surfing the web on the left side of his/her screen and reading email on > the right). This sounds more plausible to me; my laptop is 1024x768 and > it's not uncommon for me to have two browser windows side by side, each > filling up half my screen (so, accounting for scrollbars and such, > somewhere around 500px width each). Enough websites don't accommodate this scenario that we won't stick out if we don't. And FWIW the site works at very narrow resolutions on my laptop, it's just the main banner blows out the side of the template (but the banner is 600x200 so not much can be done about that) Get-fedora fails gracefully, etc. and is sufficient for this use case. > > >>>> -- most people who visit your site won't want a tour. They want a > >>>> download link. > >> Really? I wonder if there is a good way we can empirically prove this. > > > > Why would I expend energy to download an operating system if I don't > > understand what it is I would be getting for the effort? > > Also thinking off the top of my head... I think a better reason might be > "some people will already come to fp.o knowing that they want to dl > Fedora, even before taking the tour. Who are they?" > > * someone (I trust, possibly an Ambassador standing beside me) has > already told me I should just download this "Fedora" thing and they'll > help me get started > > * I do understand what I'd be getting; I already know what Fedora is and > just need to grab an image file and am easily frustrated by Fitt's Law > > * some people blithely click on download links first, then figure out > what they're getting afterwards. Not that it's a good idea, mind you... > but I've watched enough people have this as almost a knee-jerk reaction > to a webpage that... I mean, it happens. I agree with all of this, although i think the last two cases are far less common than the first. The first fits with our general flaw of addressing newbies way more than more seasoned users. Thanks for the reasoning :) ~m From mel at redhat.com Sat Jul 11 07:30:11 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:30:11 -0400 Subject: Feedback gathered for fedoraproject.org and get.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1247295983.2613.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <6e24a8e80907080610j1be05556ve28c8579df7f4792@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80907101532w5421b23dw32e1fa983b18aad5@mail.gmail.com> <4A57FB67.3030904@redhat.com> <1247280710.2613.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A5832A1.3000105@redhat.com> <1247295983.2613.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A583F83.8030107@redhat.com> Thanks for pushing back and pointing out holes in my reasoning, btw - always good especially when it's 3:20am (...it's one of Those Nights when I can't sleep). > We really should just format the site differently - at the very least > have a different style sheet - to target this specifically if we decide > to support it. We don't officially now. Yay! wontfix, then. *docs at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Heuristics#Screen_size* >> "some people will already come to fp.o knowing that they want to dl >> Fedora, even before taking the tour. Who are they?" >> >> * someone (I trust, possibly an Ambassador standing beside me) has >> already told me I should just download this "Fedora" thing and they'll >> help me get started >> >> * I do understand what I'd be getting; I already know what Fedora is and >> just need to grab an image file and am easily frustrated by Fitt's Law >> >> * some people blithely click on download links first, then figure out >> what they're getting afterwards. Not that it's a good idea, mind you... >> but I've watched enough people have this as almost a knee-jerk reaction >> to a webpage that... I mean, it happens. > > I agree with all of this, although i think the last two cases are far > less common than the first. I wonder if "IP addresses that have dl'd one of the prior Fedora releases before" vs "IP addresses that have not downloaded Fedora before" would be a useful differentiation metric for this - it's hard to tell who's actually arriving at the site for what. I'll have a chat with Ian (since he's doing similar work) about ways we might instrument things up better to get the kind of data these discussions should be based on... who else is into stats and metrics? --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Jul 11 07:58:14 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:58:14 -0400 Subject: j.fp.o design process strawman (criticism please!) Message-ID: <4A584616.9040502@redhat.com> As I pore through Websites stuff tonight and think about how to tackle join.fp.o, I'm realizing that I have a very dim notion (actually, "dim" is generous) of what a good design process to go through for this kind of thing would be. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_design_process seems to... not exactly fit, but I will stab in the dark and try to use it, and hope better alternatives present themselves. *Please* criticize this gameplan. It's put up here so that it can be ripped apart - I'm stuck on finding a better way to think about this, so I figured I'd try something (anything) and then let y'all tell me what my mistakes are. --- 1. Identify a need: "j.fp.o doesn't really get people to join fedora." 2. Define the problem: I can think of several angles to tackle this from - not sure which (if any) are useful ways of looking at this. * Improve click-through percentages from j.fp.o to the "How To Join $Group" page of any group. (If someone reads j.fp.o clicks through to read step-by-step join instructions for at least one team, it counts as a yes; if they read j.fp.o but don't read a team's join instructions afterwards, it counts as a no.) * Minimize the time it takes a newcomer to go from "I have started reading j.fp.o because it looked interesting, and know nobody to help me" to "I have made my first tracked project contribution." A good target might be 90 minutes. * Minimize the time it takes a newcomer to go from "I have started reading j.fp.o because it looked interesting, and know nobody to help me" to having a mentor contact and welcome them, and help them decide on a first project to do. A good target might be 20 minutes. (yes, these targets are ambitious.) * For each successive release, raise the number of contributions made by community members whose first contribution was towards that release. (For instance, F12 contributions made by volunteers who first got involved with Fedora during the F12 cycle.) 3. Conduct research: (This is where I am now, I am trying to figure out the answers to these questions.) * How can the above metrics be instrumented? (Is it possible to measure them at all?) * Who are the current users... ** looking at j.fp.o? ** finding j.fp.o helpful? (how?) ** not finding j.fp.o helpful (and disappearing rather than telling us it didn't help them out? what would have made it useful to them?) * Who do we want... ** looking at j.fp.o? ** joining our community? (Do we *want* to consciously set up a minimum-effort barrier to encourage only the motivated? Are we trying to get more non-code contributors?) * Who is it that wants these people looking at and using j.fp.o (beyond the Websites team)? Are there specific people on specific teams that have particular recruiting needs, and who can offer to mentor newcomers (or otherwise set up a newbie-contribution infrastructure for their particular projects/teams)? * What does the 'join' experience look like for other projects - what do they consider? How do they compare, and what can we learn from them? (The rest of the steps I'm not even going to think about just yet - this is plenty to tackle for now.) 4. Narrow the research: 5. Analyzing set criteria: 6. Finding alternative solutions: 7. Analyzing possible solutions: 8. Making a decision: 9. Presenting the product: 10. Communicating and selling the product: From maillist at diffingo.com Sat Jul 11 17:49:11 2009 From: maillist at diffingo.com (Stewart Adam) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Subject: Download Now! button does not work on Get Fedora page In-Reply-To: <4A557E15.8030108@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A557E15.8030108@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A58D097.7090504@diffingo.com> On 7/9/09 1:20 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 07/02/2009 08:19 PM, Dennis Decker Jensen wrote: >> Hello webmaster. >> >> On http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora the "Download Now!" button >> does not work correctly. I thought it was a temporary issue, since I >> tried this first on the Fedora 11 release date, but the issue remains. >> >> I use Mac OS X and Safari to download the iso image. >> >> When I push the button I get redirected to >> >> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Live/i686/Fedora-11-i686-Live.iso > > Did anyone test this with Safari? > > Rahul > Works fine here, I tried ~10 times to ensure I got a bunch of different mirrors. Each one worked as expected, I'm using Safari 4.0.2 on Leopard. Stewart From troni at live.de Sat Jul 11 16:32:04 2009 From: troni at live.de (Toni Arregui) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:32:04 +0000 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: Hallo, Webmaster, I'm reinstalling Fedora 11, and this time it is taking a lot of hours (I began this morning, I'm now in the package 480 of 1157!!!), and I wonder if there' s a problem on the server here in The Netherlands or it is just that something crashed in my computer... 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Hmm, except I and 3000 others are likely to visit the pages via a small number of IP addresses our router use. -- Randolph Bentson Assistant Professor Dept of Mathematics & Computer Science University of Puget Sound 1500 N Warner St, #1043 Tacoma, WA 98416-1043 253-879-3470 rbentson at pugetsound.edu From triptonemeister at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 09:09:01 2009 From: triptonemeister at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?wWThbSBN6XN64XJvcw==?=) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:09:01 +0200 Subject: self introduction Message-ID: <44b11d190907120209x69e31c4arff485ba052827f99@mail.gmail.com> Hi! I'm ?d?m M?sz?ros from Hungary and, i joined this group to help the fedora project web dev team. :-) I'm the lead frontend developer of In4 Ltd. We create a wiki+google + mashup-s in one like semantic web search engine and database, width a lot of integration level. We have a portal engine, embedable apps (i can show the early alphas, if you request a beta key at http://iglue.com/beta/ , the demo2 is an annotation tool to tag your website width iGlue infos, demo3 is our internal search engine). Experiences: langs/frameworks/appservers: ActionScript 1-3 - 5 years Flash dev.(not design) - 5 years Flex 2-4 framework - 3 years javascript - 4 years - ExtJs - 1 year - jQuerry - 2 years - Moo Tools - 1/2 year j2ee - 3 years (e-government applications) - glassfish - 1 year - tomcat - 3 years - hibernate - 2 years - the oracle side - 1 year (i develop a GIS frontend /w jDeveloper 10g) - sun One infras. - 2 years - jsr168/268 - 1 year phyton - 2 years (web scraping and search engine prototyping) .net/mono framework - 5 years (e-government applications) C# - 5 years c++ (just the MSVC) - 3 years (1998 -2000 so its not an up to date skill) db: mySQL - 5 years msSQL - 9 years postgresSQL - 2 years Oracle (just 10g) - 1 year monetDB - 1/2 year berkleyDB - 1/2 year (fav!) os: Linux(fedora/redhat enterprise/ubuntu/gentoo) - 5 years Mac - 9 years Windows - 15 years Interests: - Explore programming languages, i upgrade my skills now in: Groovy, Scala, Nimrod, Haskell, Ruby. - Amateur web design, and photo retouch: Adobe Photoshop, Fireworks, Flash, Illustrator - Named entity recognition in natural languages (/w LingPipe + own extensions and corpus) - Music production /w Cubase/Digital Performer/Logic and a lot of hardver synths and 2 guitar :-) Cheers, ?d?m M?sz?ros -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Jul 13 00:39:25 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:39:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: j.fp.o design process strawman (criticism please!) In-Reply-To: <4A584616.9040502@redhat.com> References: <4A584616.9040502@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Jul 2009, Mel Chua wrote: > As I pore through Websites stuff tonight and think about how to tackle > join.fp.o, I'm realizing that I have a very dim notion (actually, "dim" is > generous) of what a good design process to go through for this kind of thing > would be. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_design_process seems to... > not exactly fit, but I will stab in the dark and try to use it, and hope > better alternatives present themselves. > > *Please* criticize this gameplan. It's put up here so that it can be ripped > apart - I'm stuck on finding a better way to think about this, so I figured > I'd try something (anything) and then let y'all tell me what my mistakes are. > > --- > > 1. Identify a need: "j.fp.o doesn't really get people to join fedora." > I've always found one of the biggest problems with joining is setting expectations, fedora is a HUGe place. I think people get lost and don't know what we expect from them. This is especially true of more passive volunteers that just want to be told what to do. I've found they don't know what to do, don't enjoy being told what to do and generally don't have a good experience after joining. -Mike From tmz at pobox.com Mon Jul 13 03:12:35 2009 From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:12:35 -0400 Subject: j.fp.o design process strawman (criticism please!) In-Reply-To: References: <4A584616.9040502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090713031235.GK19992@inocybe.localdomain> Mike McGrath wrote: > I've always found one of the biggest problems with joining is > setting expectations, fedora is a HUGe place. I think people get > lost and don't know what we expect from them. This is especially > true of more passive volunteers that just want to be told what to > do. I've found they don't know what to do, don't enjoy being told > what to do and generally don't have a good experience after joining. Judging from my past experiences in other volunteer organizations, this is a common problem. I think this could be a niche filled by mentors, if there are folks that know their way around the various systems in Fedora and enjoy showing others the ropes. Of course, finding good mentors can be a challenge in itself. FWIW, I think you do a pretty good job at this in the infrastructure area Mike. You have my respect for organizing the relatively large and diverse group of folks who work on the many tasks that make the Fedora Infrastructure successful. -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Truth is like a well-known whore. Everybody knows her but it's embarrassing to meet her in the street. -- Wolfgang Borchert -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We don't officially now. > > Yay! wontfix, then. *docs at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Heuristics#Screen_size* > >>> "some people will already come to fp.o knowing that they want to dl >>> Fedora, even before taking the tour. Who are they?" >>> >>> * someone (I trust, possibly an Ambassador standing beside me) has >>> already told me I should just download this "Fedora" thing and they'll help >>> me get started >>> >>> * I do understand what I'd be getting; I already know what Fedora is and >>> just need to grab an image file and am easily frustrated by Fitt's Law >>> >>> * some people blithely click on download links first, then figure out >>> what they're getting afterwards. Not that it's a good idea, mind you... but >>> I've watched enough people have this as almost a knee-jerk reaction to a >>> webpage that... I mean, it happens. >> >> I agree with all of this, although i think the last two cases are far >> less common than the first. > > I wonder if "IP addresses that have dl'd one of the prior Fedora releases > before" vs "IP addresses that have not downloaded Fedora before" would be a > useful differentiation metric for this - it's hard to tell who's actually > arriving at the site for what. I'll have a chat with Ian (since he's doing > similar work) about ways we might instrument things up better to get the > kind of data these discussions should be based on... who else is into stats > and metrics? > > --Mel > Oke, great feedback on the feedback (although i seem to miss feedback on the bottom part right after: "Mixed from: UxerX and UserY (and others)")... So some thoughts on that would be nice. Now for the feedback and what we do/won't do.. i suggest we use some kind of system for that (MoSCoW).. So, if we could all (M?ir?n, Mel, Hiemanshu and me) could all make a MoSCow list of what we see as needed then discuss the lists in the meeting next friday? Just if you don't know what moscow is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoSCoW_Method note: every line from: http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt is a problem or a possible solution that the users saw. so every line should come back in one of the moscow sections (not multiple!). So in the end we end up with at least 4 lists with the following subjects: Must have ---------------------- < your items here > Could have ---------------------- < your items here > Should have ---------------------- < your items here > Won't have ---------------------- < your items here > And if you ask me as soon as we know the "Must have" part we can actually start to make something. Let me know what you think of this idea. Mark. From sijis at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 13 18:49:35 2009 From: sijis at fedoraproject.org (Sijis Aviles) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:49:35 -0500 Subject: j.fp.o design process strawman (criticism please!) In-Reply-To: <20090713031235.GK19992@inocybe.localdomain> References: <4A584616.9040502@redhat.com> <20090713031235.GK19992@inocybe.localdomain> Message-ID: <747290270907131149n3f8e1e52xd8530ac3b11ac93e@mail.gmail.com> As someone that is new to the joining process, I think Mike is right that some of the problem is expectation. I think some of it is also direction. After someone joins and sends a 'intro' message to the list, there is a welcome response but not exactly a follow-up on what the next steps are. I know that folks are busy and you cannot guide everything through the process, but we should provide some next steps and direction. A thought is having a list of what is currently being worked on for each group, something like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#Projects (see join.fedoraproject.org area). The only thing i would add a 'task to be completed' item or help needed area. Another thought would be somehow list what an individual could do right after they join and have "levels" of tasks. Infrastructure might be different since folks might require some level of system access to complete tasks, so we'd have to provide types of 'tasks' they can do, in order to gain trust in the group before access is granted. (these are just rough ideas) Level 1 - review open tickets, fix wiki entries Level 2 - assist in group tasks, code review, improvement ideas Level 3 - lead project/implementation, etc.. I've enjoyed and been frustrated with the joining process but overall is been a positive one. Like many things, it can be improved (mentoring is a good idea). In its current state, individuals need to be self-motivated and figure out what to do next on their own. Sijis On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: >> I've always found one of the biggest problems with joining is >> setting expectations, fedora is a HUGe place. ?I think people get >> lost and don't know what we expect from them. ?This is especially >> true of more passive volunteers that just want to be told what to >> do. ?I've found they don't know what to do, don't enjoy being told >> what to do and generally don't have a good experience after joining. > > Judging from my past experiences in other volunteer organizations, > this is a common problem. ?I think this could be a niche filled by > mentors, if there are folks that know their way around the various > systems in Fedora and enjoy showing others the ropes. ?Of course, > finding good mentors can be a challenge in itself. > > FWIW, I think you do a pretty good job at this in the infrastructure > area Mike. ?You have my respect for organizing the relatively large > and diverse group of folks who work on the many tasks that make the > Fedora Infrastructure successful. > > -- > Todd ? ? ? ?OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Truth is like a well-known whore. ?Everybody knows her but it's > embarrassing to meet her in the street. > ? ?-- Wolfgang Borchert > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > From rubin at grond.org Mon Jul 13 09:30:26 2009 From: rubin at grond.org (Rubin) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:30:26 +0200 Subject: yum outage, could a message be posted? Message-ID: <4A5AFEB2.80706@grond.org> Hi webmaster(s), I was wondering if you guys could post a message somewhere visual on fedoraproject.org or fedoranews.org regarding the rather longish yum update outage? there's a bugreport for it here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510959 At the moment only insiders understand what's happening or people on #fedora. I think it would be polite to our users to tell them what's happening. Kind regards, Rubin. (Happy f11 user) From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 15 14:02:56 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:02:56 -0400 Subject: yum outage, could a message be posted? In-Reply-To: <4A5AFEB2.80706@grond.org> References: <4A5AFEB2.80706@grond.org> Message-ID: <20090715140256.GB6420@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-13 11:30:26 AM, Rubin wrote: > I was wondering if you guys could post a message somewhere visual on > fedoraproject.org or fedoranews.org regarding the rather longish yum > update outage? there's a bugreport for it here: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510959 > > At the moment only insiders understand what's happening or people on > #fedora. I think it would be polite to our users to tell them what's > happening. Hi, we tried to spread the information and status as much as possible by emailing fedora-announce-list with a link to a status ticket: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-July/msg00006.html https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1531 Right now, we believe that mirrors should be returning to normal today, so we probably will not make an announcement on the website at this point, but that is certainly something we will consider in the future. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We don't officially now. >> >> Yay! wontfix, then. *docs at >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Heuristics#Screen_size* >> >>>> "some people will already come to fp.o knowing that they want to dl >>>> Fedora, even before taking the tour. Who are they?" >>>> >>>> * someone (I trust, possibly an Ambassador standing beside me) has >>>> already told me I should just download this "Fedora" thing and they'll help >>>> me get started >>>> >>>> * I do understand what I'd be getting; I already know what Fedora is and >>>> just need to grab an image file and am easily frustrated by Fitt's Law >>>> >>>> * some people blithely click on download links first, then figure out >>>> what they're getting afterwards. Not that it's a good idea, mind you... but >>>> I've watched enough people have this as almost a knee-jerk reaction to a >>>> webpage that... I mean, it happens. >>> >>> I agree with all of this, although i think the last two cases are far >>> less common than the first. >> >> I wonder if "IP addresses that have dl'd one of the prior Fedora releases >> before" vs "IP addresses that have not downloaded Fedora before" would be a >> useful differentiation metric for this - it's hard to tell who's actually >> arriving at the site for what. I'll have a chat with Ian (since he's doing >> similar work) about ways we might instrument things up better to get the >> kind of data these discussions should be based on... who else is into stats >> and metrics? >> >> --Mel >> > > Oke, great feedback on the feedback (although i seem to miss feedback > on the bottom part right after: "Mixed from: UxerX and UserY (and > others)")... > So some thoughts on that would be nice. > > Now for the feedback and what we do/won't do.. i suggest we use some > kind of system for that (MoSCoW).. > So, if we could all (M?ir?n, Mel, Hiemanshu and me) could all make a > MoSCow list of what we see as needed then discuss the lists in the > meeting next friday? > Just if you don't know what moscow is: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoSCoW_Method > > note: every line from: > http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt is a > problem or a possible solution that the users saw. so every line > should come back in one of the moscow sections (not multiple!). > > So in the end we end up with at least 4 lists with the following subjects: > > Must have > ---------------------- > < your items here > > > Could have > ---------------------- > < your items here > > > Should have > ---------------------- > < your items here > > > Won't have > ---------------------- > < your items here > > > And if you ask me as soon as we know the "Must have" part we can > actually start to make something. > Let me know what you think of this idea. > > Mark. > So, are we going to do this or not? From James.Lee at rdc.com.tw Wed Jul 15 08:33:08 2009 From: James.Lee at rdc.com.tw (=?big5?B?SmFtZXMgTGVlICin9bTCtqcp?=) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:33:08 +0800 Subject: About torrent download Web Message-ID: <07905E0D268758488D76D7D747F21BB602BA63C2@rdc8.rdc> Dear Madam / Sir, I want to get old version Fedora. But, I can use right score bar on IE6. Address : http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ Thanks and Regards James Lee RDC Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Tel : +886-3-666-2866 ext :179 Fax: +886-3-563-1498 E-mail : james.lee at rdc.com.tw E-mail Confidentiality Notice The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged otherwise protected from disclosure .It is intended solely for the addressee .Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorized .If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and maybe unlawful. 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-- 1.6.2.5 From kad at blegh.net Thu Jul 16 00:26:37 2009 From: kad at blegh.net (Jorge Gallegos) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:26:37 -0500 Subject: About $self Message-ID: <5f90390907151726i1c9b01cxb788e8cbb924a805@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I joined the fedora team a while ago, and just recently joined the infrastructure team. I'm a equal-parts sysadmin and web developer, done some development with java, php, python/django and some other stuff, so I thought I would join this group as well. The tasks I'm interested in is giving something back in maintenance to the fedora sites and at the same time learn about the current setup you have. I'm already taking a look at a ticket[1], but I forgot to send the mandatory self-introduction here :) Regards [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/396 -- Jorge A Gallegos http://kad.blegh.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If not, it may be a good idea to create a third party repo for them? like static.fedoraproject.org/js and static.fedoraproject.org/css ? what do you think? Regards [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/396 [2] http://fpaste.org/paste/18877 -- Jorge A Gallegos http://kad.blegh.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sijis.aviles at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 04:53:29 2009 From: sijis.aviles at gmail.com (Sijis Aviles) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:53:29 -0500 Subject: Cropped tables on IE6 Message-ID: <747290270907152153p370d931bm332a4f801cd50dfa@mail.gmail.com> Users using IE6 visiting fedorapeople.org and torrent.fp.o will notice that the tables are cropped and they will not able to scroll down to view it completely. This should resolve this problem for those individuals. (Fix is applied to main html page,) --- index.html 2009-07-15 22:52:45.000000000 -0500 +++ index-fix.html 2009-07-15 23:39:15.000000000 -0500 @@ -8,6 +8,7 @@ #wrapper { height: 100%; + overflow: visible; } Could someone verify that this does work for IE6 and does not break anything else? Related thread: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-July/msg00069.html Thanks, Sijis From jmbuser.fedora at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 14:28:48 2009 From: jmbuser.fedora at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:28:48 +0300 Subject: Text in Spanish on English-language Web Page Message-ID: Fedora Website Team: As I was doing a little wiki gardening, I ran across this text in Spanish on the English-language web page, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicating_and_getting_help (quote) Fedora tiene una gran comunidad que est? dispuesta a ayudarle. Dado que los usuarios y contribuyentes abarcan el mundo, uno de los principales elementos del proyecto es la comunicaci?n. IRC, listas de correo y foros de r?pida y f?cil forma de comunicarse. Contenido [ocultar] 1 Interacci?n con la Comunidad 2 C?mo ayudarte 3 Proporcionar Comentarios a los desarrolladores 4 Listas de correo 4.1 Listas de correo de usuario 4.2 Listas de correo de Contribuyentes 4.3 Listas de correo espec?ficas de Arquitectura 4.4 Listas internacionales 4.4.1 Listas de Equipos Fedora L10N 4.5 Listas de b?squeda 5 IRC 6 Herramientas de Colaboraci?n 7 Foros 8 Comunidad webs (unquote) Since this page is ranked #7 in the most popular wiki pages with 129,609 views, it's clear that we should correct this as soon as possible. I would do it myself, but I would prefer if someone else verified what the correct text should be. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From a.badger at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 15:02:49 2009 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:02:49 -0700 Subject: About $self In-Reply-To: <5f90390907151726i1c9b01cxb788e8cbb924a805@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f90390907151726i1c9b01cxb788e8cbb924a805@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5F4119.1040301@gmail.com> On 07/15/2009 05:26 PM, Jorge Gallegos wrote: > Hey All, > > I joined the fedora team a while ago, and just recently joined the > infrastructure team. I'm a equal-parts sysadmin and web developer, done some > development with java, php, python/django and some other stuff, so I thought > I would join this group as well. > The tasks I'm interested in is giving something back in maintenance to the > fedora sites and at the same time learn about the current setup you have. > I'm already taking a look at a ticket[1], but I forgot to send the mandatory > self-introduction here :) > Welcome! I always love to have programmer/system admins join our team as I think the perspective of both sides is needed to design good applications. If you're interested in doing some application development while you're here, we have a few projects being worked on. Most of our web applications (Bodhi, Mirrormanager, PackageDB, Fedora Account System, Elections) are presently in TurboGears1. Transifex (translate.fedoraproject.org) is in DJango. Fedora Community/Moksha is in TurboGears2. We're working with the documentation team and upstream to deploy a Zikula instance (with some Modules specific to Fedora). All of these are likely to need a constant supply of programming talent :-) If you want to get involved with this side of Infrastructure, let me know and I can help work you into one of the teams. I'm abadger1999 on IRC as well. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dado > que los usuarios y contribuyentes abarcan el mundo, uno de los > principales elementos del proyecto es la comunicaci?n. IRC, listas de > correo y foros de r?pida y f?cil forma de comunicarse. > > Contenido [ocultar] 1 Interacci?n con la Comunidad 2 C?mo ayudarte 3 > Proporcionar Comentarios a los desarrolladores 4 Listas de correo 4.1 > Listas de correo de usuario 4.2 Listas de correo de Contribuyentes 4.3 > Listas de correo espec?ficas de Arquitectura 4.4 Listas > internacionales 4.4.1 Listas de Equipos Fedora L10N 4.5 Listas de > b?squeda 5 IRC 6 Herramientas de Colaboraci?n 7 Foros 8 Comunidad webs > > (unquote) > > Since this page is ranked #7 in the most popular wiki pages with > 129,609 views, it's clear that we should correct this as soon as > possible. I would do it myself, but I would prefer if someone else > verified what the correct text should be. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Project > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > -- Jorge A Gallegos http://kad.blegh.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 16 18:24:11 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:24:11 -0400 Subject: Websites Meeting Reminder Message-ID: <20090716182411.GB13177@alpha.rzhou.org> Hi, sorry I was a bit late with sending this again, but we'll be meeting in #fedora-websites on Freenode at 17:00 UTC on 2009-07-17. See you all there! Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will remedy that right after pushing these changes. > I made a change to the Makefile, because I'm now using jquery for some UI > tricks in the page, however I am not sure if they should be propagated to other > Makefiles since no other site uses jquery right now. > If these kind of third party libs are stored somewhere, point me to the place > so I can reference them properly in the change. If not, it may be a good idea > to create a third party repo for them? like static.fedoraproject.org/js and > static.fedoraproject.org/css ? what do you think? Looks good to to me, push away! Thanks for the patch, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: =?big5?B?SmFtZXMgTGVlICin9bTCtqcp?= Subject: RE: About torrent download Web Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:06:06 +0800 Size: 9423 URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 17 17:48:53 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:48:53 -0400 Subject: Meeting Log - 2009-07-17 Message-ID: <20090717174853.GE25524@alpha.rzhou.org> 17:00 < ricky> #startmeeting 17:00 < zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jul 17 17:00:24 2009 UTC. The chair is ricky. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00 < ricky> #topic Fedora Websites Meeting - Who's here? 17:00 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Who's here? 17:00 * ricky 17:01 * sijis is here 17:01 < ricky> I get the feeling that this will be a short one :-) 17:01 * nb 17:01 < nb> hiemanshu, ping? 17:01 < sijis> aren't they typically short? 17:01 < ricky> mizmo, ianweller, nb, hiemanshu, onekopaka_away, anybody I missed: ping 17:01 < ricky> sijis: They tend to be either really short (<15 minutes) or really long (>1 hour) 17:02 < ricky> There hasn't been much in between 17:02 * hiemanshu is here now 17:02 < ianweller> hi 17:03 < ricky> Cool, some more people, let's move on: 17:03 < ricky> #topic Fedora Websites Meeting - Tasks 17:03 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Tasks 17:03 < ricky> OK, so any update on any of the tasks from previous weeks? 17:03 < nb> blogs is stalled pending FAS integration 17:03 < hiemanshu> Nope not really 17:03 < nb> hiemanshu, is going to look at it today i think? 17:03 -!- mohammedsafwat__ [n=mohammed at 41.178.224.180] has joined #fedora-websites 17:03 < ricky> sijis: Thanks for the websites fixes by the way, I committed them to puppet earlier so it should be live now 17:04 < sijis> ricky: oh cool. :) 17:04 < ricky> nb: What part is stalling it? What work needs to be done to unstall it? :-) 17:04 < nb> ricky, getting the plugin to check the passwords 17:04 < nb> it right now just checkes for a valid username 17:04 < ricky> So if anybody has IE6, please test torrents.fedoraproject.org and fedorapeople.org 17:04 < nb> it looks like it is checking password, but in practice does not work 17:05 < ricky> nb: Has anybody gotten a chance to try debugging the issue on a publictest machine? 17:05 < nb> ricky, not sure, all i know that has been done is that nigel looked at it that night 17:05 < nb> and didnt figure anything out, i dont know that anyone has done much since then 17:05 * ricky remembers a few people being interested in doing the FAS auth testing 17:05 < sijis> i can assist with the password checking, if you need another set of eyes. 17:05 < nb> .fasinfo sijis 17:05 < zodbot> nb: User: sijis, Name: Sijis Aviles, email: sijis.aviles at gmail.com, Creation: 2009-05-24, IRC Nick: sijis, Timezone: US/Central, Locale: en, Extension: 5130830, GPG key ID: , Status: active 17:05 < zodbot> nb: Approved Groups: cla_done sysadmin cla_fedora 17:05 < zodbot> nb: Unapproved Groups: None 17:06 < nb> sijis, i can send you the plugin or if ricky will sponsor you to -test you can access it there 17:06 < ricky> sijis: It looks like we have none now, so definitely - go ahead and apply to sysadmin-test if you want to take a look 17:06 < ricky> nb can probably walk you through the current setup 17:06 < sijis> okay. i'll apply shortly. 17:06 < nb> wheres the test fas? pt3? 17:06 < ricky> YUp 17:06 < nb> i need to change the fasauth plugin to use that 17:07 < nb> so we aren't using production info 17:07 < ricky> Yeah, that needs to be done ASAP 17:07 < ricky> OK, anything else on blogs.fp.o? 17:07 < nb> ricky, not really, otherwise i think we are ready to deploy 17:07 < sijis> i know the wiki has a module for the fas authentication. i took a look at that a while back to have an idea how it worked. 17:07 < ricky> I did also send an email to somebody at Red Hat that might have experience with wordpress mu auth. I haven't gotten any response on that yet. 17:08 < ricky> sijis: That's supposedly what the current one is based on, but it looks like it's just not working. 17:08 < nb> need to get a database created and get the database imported into there, or create a new one, import would be best because theres some annoying settings 17:08 < ricky> So what *does* the current pugin do yet? 17:08 < ricky> nb: we can import, sure. 17:08 < ricky> Does it check that the username is in CLA + 1 non-CLA group? 17:08 < nb> ricky, it checks to see that the username that is provided is a member of cla_done and i think one other group 17:08 < nb> i know cla_done 17:09 < ricky> OK. 17:09 < nb> and then it adds them a wpmu account to use 17:09 < ricky> Make sure the other group is non-CLA (it can't start with 'cla_') 17:09 < nb> they can then go to signup after they are logged in 17:09 < ricky> That's one point where it's different from the wiki. 17:09 < nb> if they want a blog 17:09 < hiemanshu> ricky, it checks if that person has an fp.o email ID 17:09 < ricky> How does it check that? 17:09 < hiemanshu> and uses that email ID for verification 17:10 < ricky> I'd rather not even make an entry in the db without the proper FAS credentials, but if that's not feasible, then that's fine too. 17:10 < ricky> OK 17:10 < nb> hiemanshu, it checks if they have a fas account 17:10 < nb> and if they are a member of cla_done 17:10 < ricky> One other action that I remember mentioning is spam 17:10 < nb> and i think one other non-cla 17:10 < hiemanshu> ricky, what it does now is check if an ID exists, if that exists it send an email to @fp.o 17:10 < ricky> It'd be good if somebody could ask the GNOME folks about if they've had a spam problem or anything like that. 17:11 < nb> ricky, we can disable non-logged in comments if we need 17:11 < ricky> hiemanshu: Can it check if an ID exists+has CLA+1 non-CLA group, *then* send the email? 17:11 < ricky> nb: That would cut the value of the service a good bit though :-( 17:11 < nb> true 17:11 < ricky> It'd probably stop me from using it, even. 17:11 < hiemanshu> ricky, they will get an email only if they are member of it one non CLA group as well 17:11 * nb not sure if it actually cares about sending an email with the plugin 17:11 -!- mohammedsafwat [n=mohammed at 41.178.228.135] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 17:11 < nb> hiemanshu, ? 17:11 < sijis> can someone give me an examples of a non-cla group? 17:12 < nb> sijis, anything that doesnt start with cla_* 17:12 < ricky> sijis: sysadmin-test is one :-) 17:12 -!- mohammedsafwat_ [n=mohammed at 41.129.13.3] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 17:12 < hiemanshu> to get an fp.o email ID you need to have one cla_done and one non CLA group 17:12 < nb> i.e. not cla_done, cla_fedora, cla_redhat 17:12 < nb> hiemanshu, i know 17:12 < nb> but it checks that directly, i didnt think it actually sent an email with the plugin 17:12 < hiemanshu> nb, so that solves what we need 17:12 < ricky> OK, so sijis is in sysadmin-test now to work on the auth plugin now 17:12 < sijis> btw, i just applied to the group 17:12 < ricky> sijis: We can talk with nb after the meeting to get you setup and working on it if you have some time 17:13 < nb> sijis, /usr/share/wordpress-mu/wp-content/mu-plugins/fasauth.php should be it 17:13 < nb> and it lives at http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp 17:13 < sijis> ok, after meeting should be ok. 17:13 < nb> yeah, i'll stop taking up meeting time :) 17:13 < ricky> nb: I forget, are we packaging that or including that file with puppet? 17:13 < ricky> And that file is 100% clean WRT licenses, right? 17:13 < nb> ricky, neither ATM 17:13 < nb> ricky, yeah 17:14 < nb> ricky, probably puppet, although i could package it 17:14 < nb> ricky, your preference? 17:14 < ricky> OK, if it's going to be a package, then it wouldn't hurt to have the spec ready 17:14 < ricky> That's if it'd be generally useful 17:14 < ricky> Our wiki auth is currently not a package, for what that's worth 17:14 * nb doesnt think it would since it is specific to fedora? 17:14 < ricky> But I have no preference, whatever you think 17:14 < nb> ricky, basically s/wordpress-mu-plugin-defaults/wordpress-mu-plugin-fasauth/ 17:14 < nb> would work i think 17:14 < nb> and change %files 17:14 * nb isnt too worried about a spec 17:15 < ricky> Hehe, yeah, it'd be easy to do either. 17:15 < hiemanshu> I think puppet is better though 17:15 < ricky> OK, so I guess that's all for blog.fp.o today. 17:15 < ricky> sijis can hopefully work on getting the plugin working, then we can do some testing with auth to see that it works everywhere it needs to 17:16 < nb> yeah 17:16 < sijis> about packing.. if fas is a package and so is wpmu, why not package the auth-pluin? 17:16 < ricky> Oh, the one other thing - anybody interested in talking to GNOME folks about their blogs setup? 17:16 < ricky> I'm specifically interested in the issue of spam :-/ 17:16 < nb> sijis, im not opposed, id do it if that is the consensus 17:16 < nb> sijis, fwiw, it would be easier to update if it was not 17:16 < nb> but i dont see us needing to change it 17:16 < ricky> sijis it's a good question, I don't think we have a policy on what should be packaged vs. not at the moment 17:16 < sijis> nb agreed. playing devil's advocate really. 17:16 < nb> yeah 17:17 < ricky> I personally prefer packages whenever possible, because development should not be taking place in our puppet repo 17:17 < ricky> And having separate copies in the fedora-infrastructure.git repo and puppet just feels wrong (and allows them to get out of sync)_ 17:17 < sijis> we could also 'reproduce' the environment if it was packaged easier. 17:17 < nb> true 17:17 < ricky> That'd be the case if it were in puppet too, but the points above still apply 17:18 -!- nask0 [n=sigsegv at 82.119.64.135] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 17:18 * hiemanshu is sorry about not being here completely 17:18 < sijis> understood. 17:18 -!- nask0 [n=sigsegv at 82.119.64.135] has joined #fedora-websites 17:18 < ricky> I just pinged otaylor on #fedora-admin 17:19 < ricky> He's involved with some GNOME stuff and might be able to direct us to a good contact 17:20 < ricky> Ah, looks like things are iffy there at the moment, the guy that set it up isn't available at the moment 17:21 < sijis> that set what up? 17:21 < ricky> Sorry, the person that setup blogs.gnome.org 17:22 < ricky> Which looks very similar to what we'd like to do with blogs.fp.o 17:22 < ricky> They use wordpress mu as well 17:23 < ricky> OK, so the one other update about tasks in general is that sijis and I have been talking to docs about the possibility of getting some sort of knowledge baes software or something for docs.fp.o 17:23 < ricky> sijis started a thread at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00092.html, and I sent a reply as well 17:24 < ricky> So hopefully this will get considered in the zikula work that they're doing now - the main question for me right now is what belongs on the wiki vs. the knowledge base software? 17:24 < ricky> quaid has posted some thoughtful responses to that, which is great 17:25 < sijis> i think they are leaning towards the wiki 17:25 < ricky> So that'll be a good conversation to keep up with about improving the "getting help" experience for new people 17:25 < ricky> sijis: Yeah, the impression I've gotten so far is that the knowledge base might contain shorter articles or snippets that link to fuller tutorials/howtos on the wiki 17:25 < mizmo> hi im here now (sorry) 17:25 < ricky> Hey hey 17:26 < ricky> We were just talking about some of the latest discussion we've had with the docs team about improving that 17:26 < sijis> ricky: yes, that's correct. however, i my impression was also that the kb stuff would be in the wiki too. 17:27 < ricky> sijis recently posted about what their thoughts on having a knowlege base type thing are, and I replied with some of my thoughts about what the experience is like for for somebody looking for help 17:27 < ricky> sijis: For what it's worth ianweller mentioned to me that there's already a howto category on the wiki 17:28 < ricky> Maybe we can work out some subcategories that it would be nice to have for our docs? 17:28 < sijis> yeah, good idea. 17:29 < ricky> OK, so the next task I see coming out of this is: Ask people in #fedora-ops what kind of docs would be helpful 17:29 < sijis> i can't say that i've used the wiki a whole lot. i've just fixed a few typos/formatting things. 17:29 < ricky> What common mistakes to new Fedora users make that we could write up some best practices for? 17:29 < ricky> sijis: ianweller is our wiki czar, so he's a good resource for any wiki questions you might have 17:30 < sijis> folks in #fedora might have some stuff too. nirik seemed to have run that fig. 17:30 < ricky> Yeah, he's one of the people in #fedora-ops too 17:30 < sijis> oh, okay 17:30 -!- mohammedsafwat__ [n=mohammed at 41.178.224.180] has quit Success 17:30 < sijis> fedora-ops is a group i haven't heard of yet. 17:30 -!- mohammedsafwat__ [n=mohammed at 41.129.13.231] has joined #fedora-websites 17:31 < ricky> sijis: It's the channel where #fedora operators hang out 17:31 < ricky> Let me just get a quick dump of actions so far here: 17:31 < ricky> #action Get FAS Auth plugin working 17:31 < ricky> #action Talk to GNOME people about their blogs setup (issues with spam?) 17:31 < ricky> #action Talk to people in #fedora/#fedora-ops about what kind of docs could be useful to have 17:32 < ricky> OK, so any other thoughts on docs.fedoraproject.org right now? 17:33 < ricky> OK, so the last task update I have is get.fedoraproject.org feedback 17:34 < ricky> mizmo: Mark has been wondering how to move forward with that last round of websites feedback - any ideas? 17:34 * ricky remembers that mizmo might have been working on some mockups incorporating some of that 17:35 < mizmo> ricky: yeh i still have the get.fpo one in progress, since fudcon berlin ive been working on a backlog of stuff from that week :( 17:35 < mizmo> ricky: ill upload it to the wiki and post the link 17:35 < ricky> No worries, no rush at all 17:36 < ricky> Thanks a lot 17:36 < mizmo> the feedback is good, the next steps are in my court 17:36 < mizmo> to apply to the mocks 17:36 < ricky> Awesome, we look forward to seeing what you come up with :-) 17:36 < sijis> wasn't some feedback also provided for fp.o? 17:36 < ricky> Yeah 17:37 < ricky> I'm not sure if mizmo intends on working both at the same time or looking at one set of things first 17:37 < nb> sijis, actually the group is irc-support-operators or something 17:37 -!- fedbot [n=supybot at scrye.com] has quit Nick collision from services. 17:37 -!- fedbot` [n=supybot at scrye.com] has joined #fedora-websites 17:37 < sijis> so two feedbacks went out.. fp.o and get.fp.o? 17:37 < mizmo> i want to get get.fpo solid first 17:37 < ricky> Sounds good, that fits with the priorities we had discussed 17:37 < mizmo> i think www.fpo is a bigger kettle of fish :) we'll need involvement from other teams like marketing on that one 17:37 < ricky> sijis: I think they're all in the same email thread 17:38 < ricky> mizmo: Ohh, good point, I remember Jack pinging me about some last minute fp.o changes that I couldn't make for the F11 release 17:38 < ricky> So communication there is definitely key 17:38 < mizmo> yeh 17:39 < ricky> OK, so that's all I've got 17:39 < ricky> #topic Fedora Websites Meeting - Open Floor 17:39 < sijis> mizmo: so are you the design/mockups guru? 17:39 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Open Floor 17:39 < mizmo> sijis: i dont know if id call myself a guru but :) mockups are primarily what i do 17:39 < mizmo> :) 17:40 < sijis> ok. 17:40 * ricky wishes we could get a some clones of mizmo - it'd do us wonders :-) 17:41 < ricky> OK, so anything else anybody else wants to discuss? 17:41 < ricky> Or any new people that have introduced themselves on list want to say hi? :-) 17:42 -!- fedbot` [n=supybot at scrye.com] has quit Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) 17:42 < sijis> hi, I'm Sijis. i live in Chicago, USA. my $job is a sysadmin. i enjoy walks in the park. 17:42 < ricky> Welcome, sijis! 17:42 < ricky> And thanks for tracking down that (ugh) IE6 stupidity 17:42 < sijis> i truly enjoy working on websites. that's how i got into 'computers'. 17:43 < ricky> #action Confirm that IE6 issues are fixed on torrents.fedoraproject.org & fedorapeople.org 17:43 < ricky> Cool 17:43 < ricky> sijis: Are you good with PHP? That's what the FAS auth plugin stuff will mostly be 17:44 < sijis> yup. i'm decent in it. 17:44 < ricky> Awesome, we'll get you setup with the auth plugin soon then, thanks 17:44 < ricky> Anything else before we close up? 17:46 < nb> no 17:46 < nb> i dont think so 17:46 < ricky> All right then 17:46 < ricky> #endmeeting 17:46 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Meeting in ~30 mins| The Fedora Websites team maintains the official Fedora Project websites (http://fedoraproject.org/) | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites 17:46 < zodbot> Meeting ended Fri Jul 17 17:46:45 2009 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . 17:46 < zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-17/fedora-websites.2009-07-17-17.00.html 17:46 < zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-17/fedora-websites.2009-07-17-17.00.txt 17:46 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-17/fedora-websites.2009-07-17-17.00.log.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 18 01:03:04 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 06:33:04 +0530 Subject: Adding Phone Browser support Message-ID: <4A611F48.8070600@fedoraproject.org> With increase in people using and downloading ISOs on Phone(atleast i do it), i think we need to add support for phone browsers as well. This can be done in many different ways. I suggest building a new website such as m.fedoraproject.org, but ricky things otherwise to use the CSS ability to implement support for Phones. I want to know what you people suggest on getting it done and if you think it is really worth the time to get something like this to be done. With almost all huge websites adding phone support its a good thing to walk with the world. So i am hoping for a nice little debate on this topic. Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Fri Jul 17 19:36:19 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:36:19 -0400 Subject: Adding Phone Browser support In-Reply-To: <4A611F48.8070600@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A611F48.8070600@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1247859379.2935.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 06:33 +0530, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote: > With increase in people using and downloading ISOs on Phone(atleast i do > it), i think we need to add support for phone browsers as well. This can > be done in many different ways. I suggest building a new website such as > m.fedoraproject.org, but ricky things otherwise to use the CSS ability > to implement support for Phones. > I want to know what you people suggest on getting it done and if you > think it is really worth the time to get something like this to be done. > With almost all huge websites adding phone support its a good thing to > walk with the world. So i am hoping for a nice little debate on this topic. Well, why would someone want to view fpo on a phone browser? They wouldn't want to download fedora from a phone browser right? If so, we could drop those pages from the mobile version. They probably would want to read planet and fedora news? Anything else you can think of that might be useful to view on fpo while on the go? ~m From mel at redhat.com Fri Jul 17 16:53:18 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:53:18 -0400 Subject: Adding Phone Browser support In-Reply-To: <1247859379.2935.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A611F48.8070600@fedoraproject.org> <1247859379.2935.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A60AC7E.5040906@redhat.com> > They probably would want to read planet and fedora news? Anything else > you can think of that might be useful to view on fpo while on the go? The front/about page, for the on-the-go scenario of "I wonder what Fedora is/let me show you what Fedora is, this is our homepage." I agree with Mo that mobile browsers of fp.o will probably only look at a few pages. --Mel From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 18 01:29:23 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 06:59:23 +0530 Subject: Adding Phone Browser support In-Reply-To: <4A60AC7E.5040906@redhat.com> References: <4A611F48.8070600@fedoraproject.org> <1247859379.2935.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A60AC7E.5040906@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A612573.3090005@fedoraproject.org> On 07/17/2009 10:23 PM, Mel Chua wrote: >> They probably would want to read planet and fedora news? Anything else >> you can think of that might be useful to view on fpo while on the go? > > The front/about page, for the on-the-go scenario of "I wonder what > Fedora is/let me show you what Fedora is, this is our homepage." I > agree with Mo that mobile browsers of fp.o will probably only look at > a few pages. > > --Mel > So mizmo you think only planet, blogs and fp.o site must be made with a phone browser support? What about docs? some people might have only a working net connection on the phone and want to download stuff or atleast look for help when the computer is not able to work. Hiemanshu Sharma. From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 17 20:00:45 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:00:45 -0400 Subject: Adding Phone Browser support In-Reply-To: <4A60AC7E.5040906@redhat.com> References: <4A611F48.8070600@fedoraproject.org> <1247859379.2935.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A60AC7E.5040906@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090717200045.GA9004@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-17 12:53:18 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > The front/about page, for the on-the-go scenario of "I wonder what > Fedora is/let me show you what Fedora is, this is our homepage." I agree > with Mo that mobile browsers of fp.o will probably only look at a few > pages. As I mentioned on IRC, I think it's unnecessary duplication of effort to create a whole new set of pages (or even selectively take away pages) for a mobile version of the website. We can simply use the CSS handheld media type to style the page in a way that looks great on those small screens. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will read the log and be there next time. From sijis at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 17 22:36:31 2009 From: sijis at fedoraproject.org (Sijis Aviles) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: About torrent download Web] In-Reply-To: <4A60971A.20806@gmail.com> References: <4A60971A.20806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <747290270907171536t23e0c2ebvc0482b3b2e91ccfc@mail.gmail.com> 2009/7/17 Ariel Goldblatt : > > > Dear Sir, > IE6 still can not scroll down on http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ page > Regards > James Lee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ariel Goldblatt [mailto:a.k.a.gldbltt at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:16 PM > To: James Lee (???) > Subject: Re: About torrent download Web > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Yes, this is correct. The fedora websites team can be found at > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com. Webmaster at fedoraproject.org forwards > to that addressee. > > The problem should be fixed now. > > > Also, tell me if you have more problems, and also if it has been fixed. > > Thanks! > > James Lee (???) wrote: >> Sir / Madam, I just send to the fedora project websites >> (mailto:webmaster at fedoraproject.org) team. Ask why IE 6 can't see >> scrollbar on that web page. Website's e-mail address is right or >> this gmail address? Thanks James >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Ariel Goldblatt >> [mailto:a.k.a.gldbltt at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:29 >> AM To: James Lee (???) Subject: Re: About torrent download Web >> >>> But, I can use right score bar on IE6. >> >> Neat, is that why you emailed us? >> >> James Lee (N }) wrote: >>> Dear Madam / Sir, >> >>> I want to get old version Fedora. But, I can use right score bar >>> on IE6. Address : http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >>> Thanks and Regards >> >>> James Lee >> >> >> >>> RDC Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Tel : +886-3-666-2866 ext :179 Fax: >>> +886-3-563-1498 E-mail : james.lee at rdc.com.tw >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> E-mail Confidentiality Notice >> >>> //The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be >>> legally privileged otherwise protected from disclosure .It is >>> intended solely for the addressee .Access to this e-mail by >>> anyone else is unauthorized .If you are not the intended >>> recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action >>> taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and >>> maybe unlawful. Please delete the message and any attachments >>> from your computer system; and destroy all hard copies. ALL >>> Intellectual Property Rights of RDC Reserved.//// >> >> James, I think your page might still be cached. Could you press CTRL+F5 while on http://torrent.fedoraproject.org and let us know if that resolves it. If the you still unable to scroll, would you be able to tell us your exact version of IE and which OS you are using? Thanks. From webmaster at poliscarhire.eu Sat Jul 18 05:53:26 2009 From: webmaster at poliscarhire.eu (L.Savvides) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:53:26 +0300 Subject: Exist really any difference or is just language packages ? Message-ID: Can you tell me a fedora application new to DVD version rather (not) to CD Free version ? Exist really any difference or is just language packages ? +++++++++++++++++++++++ Answer ASAP via email.... lse at poliscarhire.com webmaster at poliscarhire.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From shoesofpeace at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 17:01:36 2009 From: shoesofpeace at gmail.com (Neil Mann) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:01:36 -0500 Subject: self introduction - Neil Mann Message-ID: <8431fa400907201001p340bd867h48384145be37f2ab@mail.gmail.com> Howdy all, I am an entry-level developer looking for opportunities to learn and expand my skills and abilities. I am not one to do well in the area of design, but am more interested in the development/administrative/maintenance end of things. I currently have only one website that I maintain, and am looking for something to get involved with to gain experience. I have a good handle on HTML and CSS I have recently jumped into WordPress and am working with PHP and MySQL; trying to learn these items and how to custom build/maintain sites with such. I am looking forward to working with fedora and hope there are some tasks the I could help out with. -Neil P.S. if it makes any difference, I live in the U.S. and speak/write fluent English From onekopaka at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 17:07:25 2009 From: onekopaka at gmail.com (Darren VanBuren) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:07:25 -0700 Subject: self introduction - Neil Mann In-Reply-To: <8431fa400907201001p340bd867h48384145be37f2ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <8431fa400907201001p340bd867h48384145be37f2ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42D96781-2FA1-44D1-BDD6-414246478106@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you're using WordPress, then I'd suggest you join nb, hiemanshu, sijis and I for the blogs.fedoraproject.org project. We tend to hang out in #fedora-websites and #fedora-admin on freenode. Also, feel free to join a Websites meeting in #fedora-meeting, Fridays at 17:00 UTC. Thanks, Darren VanBuren onekopaka at gmail.com ==================== http://oks.verymad.net/ On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Neil Mann wrote: > Howdy all, > > I am an entry-level developer looking for opportunities to learn and > expand my skills and abilities. I am not one to do well in the area of > design, but am more interested in the > development/administrative/maintenance end of things. I currently have > only one website that I maintain, and am looking for something to get > involved with to gain experience. > > I have a good handle on HTML and CSS > > I have recently jumped into WordPress and am working with PHP and > MySQL; trying to learn these items and how to custom build/maintain > sites with such. > > I am looking forward to working with fedora and hope there are some > tasks the I could help out with. > > -Neil > > P.S. if it makes any difference, I live in the U.S. and speak/write > fluent English > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFKZKRNBkMMSWb0YpYRAlshAJ96a8R4sIRQhp0sReNyn7Y3+dzTqgCeLWuW 7gLC7trbLRocFffFGDnUMog= =i75o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Jul 21 02:08:58 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:08:58 -0700 Subject: Fedora 12 Web Team Schedule Message-ID: <4A65233A.6050409@redhat.com> I have built the Fedora 12 Web Schedule using the same methodology from Fedora 11. Please tell me what needs to be corrected, added, or changed by referencing the task number here: --> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-web-tasks.html And if that wasn't enough, I'm also generating iCal files for this release that are team specific. So pop this into to your favorite calendar application and tell me which additional tasks you'd like to see or have removed. To keep the presentation clean it only includes the more important tasks/milestones. --> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-web.ics I believe someone was asking for iCal files on this list during Fedora 11. Schedules for other teams are also available here (look for file names ending in .ics): http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/ It would be most helpful to get your feedback as soon as possible. If I don't hear anything by Friday I will assume these are done. Thank you, John From samirron11 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 21 21:28:31 2009 From: samirron11 at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?samuel_sanchez_farf=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:28:31 +0000 Subject: FEDORA CORE 5 Message-ID: Hola, me gustaria que me facilitases un link ya sea ftp o un enlace en descarga directa del fedora core 5 versi?n ppc. Lo quiero para PS3 Gracias antes de nada. Samuel _________________________________________________________________ Con Windows Live, puedes organizar, editar y compartir tus fotos. http://www.microsoft.com/spain/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm attaching the diff/fix for it -- diff -u banner-original.js banner-fix.js --- banner-original.js 2009-07-22 10:03:07.000000000 -0500 +++ banner-fix.js 2009-07-22 10:03:07.000000000 -0500 @@ -26,7 +26,8 @@ "Fedora Community Podcast", "https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_release_podcasts#Fedora_Community_portal", 4 - ], + ] +//, // ["http://fedoraproject.org/static/images/banners/fedorawn.png", "Fedora Weekly News", "http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue", 1], // ["http://fedoraproject.org/static/images/banners/fedora.org_devfu_widget.jpg", "Dev Fu", "http://developer.redhatmagazine.com/", 1], // ["http://fedoraproject.org/static/images/banners/fedora.org_rhm_widget.jpg", "Red Hat Magazine", "http://redhatmagazine.com/", 1], -- Can someone please test this and confirm it does not cause issues on other browsers? Thanks, Sijis From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 22 17:22:20 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:22:20 -0400 Subject: Javascript Error on fp.o In-Reply-To: <747290270907220832h22591ed3t436e6561ab63ce51@mail.gmail.com> References: <747290270907220832h22591ed3t436e6561ab63ce51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090722172220.GF14322@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-22 10:32:36 AM, Sijis Aviles wrote: > A javascript error on fp.o was noticed a few days ago and brought to > our attention on #fedora-admin. The error was noticed on IE7 and i > could also confirm it on IE6. > > I think i know what the problem is, it was the do with an extra comma > in the banner[] array. Hey, thanks or looking at this! This is a trivial change, and there isn't much much chance of it introducing any breakage, so feel free to commit this right away. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The DVD is the same download link on both the KDE and GNOME pages because the KDE packages are available on the DVD if you choose them during the installation. The default desktop on the DVD happens to be GNOME, but you can install KDE using the package manager as you normally would. If you downloaded the Live CD instead, then in that case, it should default to KDE if you got the right one. The proper page for that is http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-kde. Thank, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I agree >> with Mo that mobile browsers of fp.o will probably only look at a few >> pages. > As I mentioned on IRC, I think it's unnecessary duplication of effort to > create a whole new set of pages (or even selectively take away pages) > for a mobile version of the website. ?We can simply use the CSS handheld > media type to style the page in a way that looks great on those small > screens. > > Thanks, > Ricky > I've been thinking about this for a few days and I will have to agree that just creating a CSS stylesheet dedicated for handhelds would be the approach. The benefit is that there would be a single locations where updates would occur and it would eliminate (us or someone) from up keeping another site, which in essence is a duplicate of stuff that is out there... however, an idea is still have m.fp.o and on that single page just put links to the major locations on the Fedora Project universe (docs, planet, fpeople, blogs, etc). Sijis From himanshu.sharmaa at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 02:14:34 2009 From: himanshu.sharmaa at gmail.com (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:44:34 +0530 Subject: Adding Phone Browser support In-Reply-To: <747290270907221859s2fbc1142mbc71eca28b61bf9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A611F48.8070600@fedoraproject.org> <1247859379.2935.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A60AC7E.5040906@redhat.com> <20090717200045.GA9004@alpha.rzhou.org> <747290270907221859s2fbc1142mbc71eca28b61bf9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5efedeb10907221914h170a4ccbsbf7e6bf9460f31c1@mail.gmail.com> I agree with ricky and sijis, we could make a conditional CSS statement and continue using the same content. But we need to discuss and generalise things a little so we know what resolution and other things are needed to put for the phone. I would like to make it something like "One Size Fits All" so people with no what screen size are still able to see and read(the docs for example) Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma From trac at fedorahosted.org Thu Jul 23 02:36:14 2009 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Infrastructure) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:36:14 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Infrastructure] #1552: fix the fedora logo on git.fedorahosted.org In-Reply-To: <065.d5bb36c16b0bcdb4d7a6703ab6b8081b@fedorahosted.org> References: <065.d5bb36c16b0bcdb4d7a6703ab6b8081b@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <074.d077806920e0f55ed438b05d6cf9865f@fedorahosted.org> #1552: fix the fedora logo on git.fedorahosted.org -----------------------+---------------------------------------------------- Reporter: ianweller | Owner: webmaster Type: bug | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: General | Version: Severity: Normal | Resolution: Keywords: | -----------------------+---------------------------------------------------- Changes (by mmcgrath): * owner: nobody => webmaster -- Ticket URL: Fedora Infrastructure Fedora Infrastructure Project for Bugs, feature requests and access to our source code. From kad at blegh.net Thu Jul 23 05:10:03 2009 From: kad at blegh.net (Jorge Gallegos) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:10:03 -0500 Subject: fedorahosted.org main page changes In-Reply-To: <20090716215850.GJ13177@alpha.rzhou.org> References: <5f90390907151814k2793e316l323d12a45456424f@mail.gmail.com> <20090716215850.GJ13177@alpha.rzhou.org> Message-ID: <5f90390907222210j5b319b6u6d14536483c71dc7@mail.gmail.com> This is the other half of the changes, adding the no-trac projects to the main page. A summary of changes: - Added a new option to the build.py script so it accepts which VCS to build (i.e. -c svn -c git) - Changed the project list to a dict, in order to better be able to compare data. Changed template accordingly - The build.py script now looks for all the specified projects inside each VCS dir, then loops through all the Trac enabled projects and overwrites the VCS-only data with the Trac data if available - Some minor changes to the CSS and some unused variables were removed I am attaching the patch here, I couldn't fully test the patch with hosted projects (since I'm already half asleep) but a list of svn,git and mtn projects (pretty printed) is here http://kad.fedorapeople.org/projects.txt . I didn't see anything wrong with the structure, so I think is good to go. The changes as they stand should make no difference, the Makefile needs to add the -c options to the build.py call in order to build the rest of the projects. Regards On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2009-07-15 08:14:27 PM, Jorge Gallegos wrote: > > Given this ticket [1] I set out to make some changes (here the patch[2]), > which > > I tested in my local and they seemed ok, but I wanted some feedback. > There's > > still the issue that the main page is displaying only the trac-enabled > > projects. I will remedy that right after pushing these changes. > > I made a change to the Makefile, because I'm now using jquery for some UI > > tricks in the page, however I am not sure if they should be propagated to > other > > Makefiles since no other site uses jquery right now. > > If these kind of third party libs are stored somewhere, point me to the > place > > so I can reference them properly in the change. If not, it may be a good > idea > > to create a third party repo for them? like static.fedoraproject.org/jsand > > static.fedoraproject.org/css ? what do you think? > Looks good to to me, push away! > > Thanks for the patch, > Ricky > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > -- Jorge A Gallegos http://kad.blegh.net v4sw6+8BCGHJMPRUY$hw4/5ln6pr5/7FOPSck0ma7u7BFHLMOSw2DGTWXm4l7+8ADEFGKMRSUi2C$OBluefish/e5+6t4/5AXb7/9AHKLPTen6a20XIs7MRr8p-4.75/-2.26g4/6ACMRTZ hackerkey.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This does expose a mildly odd difference between the title and description fields for trac versus non-trac projects (or maybe it's only trac versus git?): 'system-config-selinux': {'desc': 'Project system-config-selinux under git', 'group': 'S', 'title': 'system-config-selinux', 'url': 'http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/system-config-selinux.git'}, 'system-config-services': {'desc': u'system-config-services', 'group': 'S', 'title': u'My example project', 'url': 'https://fedorahosted.org/system-config-services/', 'vcs': 'git', 'vcsbase': 'system-config-services.git', 'vcsweburl': 'https://fedorahosted.org/system-config-services/browser'}, I didn't look closely, but I'd noticed that trac projects get setup with 'My example project' as the title by default. It might be handy if we could set that at creation time to be the project short description perhaps -- though I'm not sure where exactly that title field gets displayed. Another thing that might be worth doing is using the description file for git repos. I have no idea if other SCM's have something similar. (If not, we can likely add a description file to them just as git uses.) As an example, lorax.git has the description 'Install images creation tool'. I think that is more descriptive than 'Project lorax under git'. There are likely some git repos with a default description file, where we'd want to fallback to a more generic '%s project' or something -- or maybe just fix all of these projects with incomplete description files. Anyway, enough rambling. Thanks for working on this ticket Jorge. -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The most useful piece of learning for the uses of life is to unlearn what is untrue. -- Antisthenes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It might be handy > if we could set that at creation time to be the project short > description perhaps -- though I'm not sure where exactly that title > field gets displayed. > That title gets added at creation time in the trac conf file, but only for trac projects > > Another thing that might be worth doing is using the description file > for git repos. I have no idea if other SCM's have something similar. > (If not, we can likely add a description file to them just as git > uses.) > Other VCS don't have such a field. I was trying to maybe come up with loading a README file in the project dir, but then again, that doesn't always have a description in the first lines, sometimes is empty, so is not a standard file. So the best I came up with was "Project X under VCS Y". Probably adding a description file on each project's root dir would be a good idea, but I don't know atm if that would mess up anything on the VCS side (or how much effort that would take, really). > > As an example, lorax.git has the description 'Install images creation > tool'. I think that is more descriptive than 'Project lorax under > git'. There are likely some git repos with a default description > file, where we'd want to fallback to a more generic '%s project' or > something -- or maybe just fix all of these projects with incomplete > description files. > Well, lorax has a trac page, that means it reads the more complete (theoretically speaking) description, but I understand your point. > > Anyway, enough rambling. Thanks for working on this ticket Jorge. 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The obvious thing would be to link to a brief tutorial from the phrase "install it right from the desktop". Frank -- Frank Hecker From ian at ianweller.org Thu Jul 23 19:30:54 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:30:54 -0400 Subject: Need to highlight how to install Fedora 11 Live CD to disk In-Reply-To: <62f15ff60907231107p6fb47248m20045dd2c66e7eae@mail.gmail.com> References: <62f15ff60907231107p6fb47248m20045dd2c66e7eae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090723193053.GM5292@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 06:07:17PM +0000, Frank Hecker wrote: > I went to the fedoraproject.org home page, followed the link to > download the Live CD, and booted it (into a new VM on VMware Fusion > for OS X in my case). I then wanted to do an actual installation to > disk, overlooked the "Install to Hard Disk" icon, and then got lost > trying to find what to do. The Federoa 11 installation guide doesn't > seem to address this (at least looking at the table of contents), and > so I started googling to find answers. > > I think it would be useful if from the "Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition > Now" section on the fedoraproject.org home page there were a link to a > simple how to on what to do once a user has booted the Live CD for the > first time. The obvious thing would be to link to a brief tutorial > from the phrase "install it right from the desktop". > (I'd like to note that Frank come to POSSE and explained this issue of his to me and I just said "email webmaster at fp.o and we'll see what we can do.") -- Ian Weller "Why, a four-year-old could understand this report. Find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head or tail out of it." -- Groucho Marx, "Duck Soup" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also lets discuss this in the meeting: http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt for every point on there. And for every point discuss a MoSCoW (Must have, Should have, Could have, Won't have). Mark. From bcdxer at hotmail.com Fri Jul 24 11:23:29 2009 From: bcdxer at hotmail.com (prabakaran) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:53:29 +0530 Subject: webmaster@fedoraproject.org Message-ID: Introducing 'alternate operating systems' for students Sir, we are planned to introduce 'alternate operating systems' for students other than windows in line with changing trend OS field. Also we are very much impressed with your achievements on this field. For this we need all the stable releases of your OS in DVD. Can we have the same from you?.(Unfortunately we cannot download from web) Our address D.Prabakaran, Lecturer-Automobile engg, SriRamakrishna Polytechnic college, Vattamalaipalayam, NGGO Colony-post Coimbatore-641022 Tamilnadu India. 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Enjoy Fedora. Rahul From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 24 13:14:31 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:14:31 -0400 Subject: webmaster@fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090724131431.GE27214@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-24 04:53:29 PM, prabakaran wrote: > we are planned to introduce 'alternate operating systems' for students other > than windows in line with changing trend OS field. > > Also we are very much impressed with your achievements on this field. For this > we need all the stable releases of your OS in DVD. > > Can we have the same from you?.(Unfortunately we cannot download from web) Hi, that sounds great! You should probably join the Fedora Ambassadors list (http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list) and see if you can requests resources there for an event. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 24 16:06:35 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:06:35 -0400 Subject: fedorahosted.org main page changes In-Reply-To: <5f90390907222210j5b319b6u6d14536483c71dc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f90390907151814k2793e316l323d12a45456424f@mail.gmail.com> <20090716215850.GJ13177@alpha.rzhou.org> <5f90390907222210j5b319b6u6d14536483c71dc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090724160635.GI27214@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-23 12:10:03 AM, Jorge Gallegos wrote: > This is the other half of the changes, adding the no-trac projects to the main > page. A summary of changes: > ?- Added a new option to the build.py script so it accepts which VCS to build > (i.e. -c svn -c git) > ?- Changed the project list to a dict, in order to better be able to compare > data. Changed template accordingly > ?- The build.py script now looks for all the specified projects inside each VCS > dir, then loops through all the Trac enabled projects and overwrites the > VCS-only data with the Trac data if available > ?- Some minor changes to the CSS and some unused variables were removed > > I am attaching the patch here, I couldn't fully test the patch with hosted > projects (since I'm already half asleep) but a list of svn,git and mtn projects > (pretty printed) is here http://kad.fedorapeople.org/projects.txt . I didn't > see anything wrong with the structure, so I think is good to go. > The changes as they stand should make no difference, the Makefile needs to add > the -c options to the build.py call in order to build the rest of the projects. Hey, thanks for working on this, it looks good to me as long as the code changes run fine :-) We recently had a user who was surprised that the page loaded with the full list of projects but hid everything but a* shortly after - could we add an "all" button as well and make it the default? Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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17:03:34 hiemanshu: packaged version is 2.7 17:03:37 IIRC 2.8.1 is out as well 17:03:38 hiemanshu, not available in epel yet, we conceivably could package it for infrarepo 17:03:43 hiemanshu, of wpmu or of wp? 17:03:44 hiemanshu: we can only use packages. 17:03:50 nb: WPMU 17:03:55 hiemanshu: WPMU is not 2.8 yet. 17:04:01 onekopaka, hiemanshu we can make our own, but we would prefer to stick with the epel versions 17:04:02 onekopaka: sure is, check 17:04:06 hiemanshu: WPMU 2.8 is the SVN version. 17:04:06 * nb thinks 17:04:09 thoughts about it? 17:04:25 nb: ask the maintainer to push the update 17:04:35 hiemanshu: trust me, I run my WPMU out of svn 17:04:41 hiemanshu, update the ticket, it should be assigned to bretm 17:04:51 onekopaka: i installed it 17:04:52 The 2.8.2 version of WordPress MU is now available for download: 17:04:58 http://mu.wordpress.org/download/ 17:04:59 i'd stick with EPEL version. we could definitely help them where needed. 17:05:11 hiemanshu: maintainer says there's a missing feature (which we don't know exactly the feature_ 17:05:14 nb: 2.8.2 is out and it requires no changes 17:05:20 to DB 17:05:27 hiemanshu: sure it does. 17:05:27 onekopaka: i ll talk to him 17:05:28 sijis, bretm was delaying updating because apparently some change was made in 2.7.1 that he didnt like 17:05:44 can non-chair do action or is it only chair too? 17:05:47 onekopaka: you said 2.8 was not even out 17:05:51 hiemanshu: it's not. 17:05:53 nb: non chair can 17:06:01 hiemanshu, you want to talk to bretm? 17:06:03 onekopaka: check here http://mu.wordpress.org/download/ 17:06:07 nb: yes i will 17:06:09 bugzilla works well with him, email not so much 17:06:16 .fas bretm 17:06:24 #action hiemanshu to file bugzilla ticket requesting bretm to update wordpress-mu 17:06:48 #agreed hiemanshu will ask bretm for update and nb will work on spam plugin 17:06:56 Who will work on the blog docs? 17:07:00 hiemanshu: those should be seperate 17:07:02 hiemanshu, /me would strongly suggest bugzilla, he seems to respond to that but ive never gotten an answer to email 17:07:22 nb: sure i ll speak to him 17:07:33 anything else? 17:07:35 #action onekopaka to document how to use WordPress MU for first-time users. 17:07:42 we may be deploying it pretty soon 17:07:57 next topic? 17:08:04 it would be nice to make any changes to the db after we deploy because i already gave ricky a db dump 17:08:14 although i could probably have him re-import the db 17:08:16 hiemanshu: mmkay, you win. 17:08:23 i got some minor changes to the authentication piece (cleaning stuff up mostly).. but it shouldn't break anything. 17:08:33 Not 100% sure if the dump should be used without cleanup - it might contain test users and stuff 17:08:35 hiemanshu: I had an out of date checkout 17:08:37 onekopaka: whats the latest? 17:08:38 ricky, it doesnt 17:08:41 OK 17:08:47 hiemanshu: 2.8.2 is in the svn repo 17:08:49 ricky, all it contains is the ones that have regular fas accounts under that username 17:08:51 onekopaka: :) 17:08:53 i know the db has old user data in it. 17:08:59 sijis: has the change been tested? 17:09:06 hiemanshu: "$wp_version = '2.8.2';" 17:09:09 sijis, i removed the ones taht do not correspond to production FAS accounts 17:09:19 hiemanshu: i haven't uploaded the changes to test it yet. 17:09:25 * nb thinks it only contains admin, nb, onekopaka, ricky, nigelj 17:09:36 nb: but the metadata table has some old account ID info in it 17:09:38 It also contains password hashes which is kind of weird. unless it's the "" value. 17:09:39 * hiemanshu had his account deleted 17:09:47 Ah well. 17:09:51 ricky, i can re-dump it anyway, if you prefer 17:09:56 Nah, it's all good 17:09:58 ricky: they're randomly generated. 17:10:12 OK, that'll just be a difference from the current plugin which doesn't do the random stuff. 17:10:22 * nb has not really looked at the current plugin 17:10:25 ricky: it doesn't do random stuff? 17:10:34 Nop 17:10:35 **Nope 17:10:38 nice 17:10:49 onekopaka, well, its kind of irrelevant what it stores in the database because the fas password is what it goes by 17:10:56 nb: I know. 17:11:26 Anything else? 17:11:42 hiemanshu: I think we're covered here... 17:11:51 ok then 17:11:53 #topic www.fp.o 17:11:57 markg85: update 17:12:09 oke 17:12:30 well that's only regarding the feedback 17:12:38 same for get.fp.o 17:12:56 sijis: you know about these projects going on? 17:13:10 i would like to discuss each point on the feedback and see what we is going to be implemented and what not 17:13:18 markg85: go ahead 17:13:29 oke 17:14:18 http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt all, open that link please 17:14:41 isn't this kind of discussion better suited for the mailing list? 17:14:42 markg85: we tend to use .tiny =) 17:14:47 .tiny http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt 17:14:55 markg85: like that. 17:15:13 mizmo: I think meetings are good for this.. 17:15:24 mizmo, well, i asked that on the mailing list but no response per point 17:15:26 * hiemanshu nods 17:15:40 there was some from you and mchua but not on everything 17:16:04 markg85: dont get into complete detail, all people dont have time 17:16:17 i kind of think the best way to move forward is simply to use the feedback in the mockups 17:16:19 which is in progress 17:16:44 mizmo: you working on the mockups? 17:16:53 oke then there is probably nothing to discuss about it now right? 17:17:03 markg85: a note that Fedora isn't based off RHEL, RHEL is downstream of Fedora. 17:17:33 onekopaka, it's just the raw feedback, don't look at me if something is wrong there :P it's what the users said 17:17:36 markg85: so tell that user that Fedora is upstream from RHEL. 17:17:47 hiemanshu: yeh ive been working on the get.fpo 17:17:53 * nb thinks RHEL 5 is somewhere around F6 17:17:57 onekopaka: users _would_ not care 17:18:00 nb: yep. 17:18:04 mizmo: you want to get that topic out? 17:18:10 mizmo, any images so far? 17:18:18 hiemanshu: as the consumer of the info, i just don't see the point 17:18:26 markg85: nothign to show yet, have a few inprogress mocks 17:18:34 been extremely busy lately 17:19:00 ok 17:19:01 mizmo: there was on in mailing list complaining about not finding stuff 17:19:06 Anything else? 17:19:09 * sijis sorry.. had to step away 17:19:11 next topic? 17:19:22 #topic F12 Web Tasks 17:19:25 * onekopaka notes that someone said fp.o needed a search engine 17:19:40 .tiny https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-July/msg00092.html 17:19:50 * nb notes that google site:fedoraproject.org WFM 17:20:03 well although we do have site:fedorahosted.org too 17:20:22 .tiny http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-web-tasks.html 17:20:58 just on a side note.. what's up with those tiny url's in here. it seems pointless since the full url is just 1 line above... 17:21:10 So who is going to get down with the design team for the banners? 17:21:19 hiemanshu: im the design team lead :) 17:21:22 hiemanshu: not a worry 17:21:28 mizmo: nice i dint know :) 17:21:33 markg85: just the tradition. 17:21:34 hiemanshu: it's on the design team schedule 17:21:44 mizmo: great :) 17:22:15 it is tradition? 17:22:36 * nb thinks our design team does a great job 17:22:38 nb: mmcgrath does it for URLs in Infra meetings 17:22:44 * nb claps for mizmo and her team 17:22:47 onekopaka, oh ok 17:22:52 * onekopaka claps too. 17:22:56 * hiemanshu follows after onekopaka 17:23:04 Any takers for the other tasks? 17:23:07 * nb has not been able to make many infra meetings 17:23:23 #action everyone to thank mizmo & the rest of the design team for being awesome 17:23:50 anyway mizmo, did you find the feedback i gathered useful? 17:24:07 markg85: follow the topic :) 17:24:24 sijis was supposed to be here for this topic 17:24:31 hiemanshu, we are still in the same topic ;) 17:24:42 markg85: nope, this is F12 Web Tasks. 17:24:44 markg85: its been changed :P 17:24:53 o lol there 17:25:16 do we have more to say on this? topic? 17:25:17 Well anything else? 17:25:29 this topic?* 17:25:41 ahh which topic are we talking about now 17:25:46 i looked over the web tasks list 17:25:52 and i couldnt think of anything missing 17:26:07 who usually writes the content? 17:26:30 marketing team comes up with the slogan 17:26:40 ianweller: ping 17:26:44 and then i think we change the 'see the tour' link to go to the newest tour 17:26:47 which the marketing team also puts together 17:26:49 hiemanshu: whoops. 17:26:52 so i guess marketing basically 17:27:00 mizmo: aahhh ok 17:27:06 who should talk to them marketing people then? 17:27:08 sijis: you wanted to speak about this topic right 17:27:22 marketing's got the slogan on their schedule 17:27:25 not 100% sure if the tour is 17:27:36 well.. i just wanted to konw if anyone reviewed it and who has what task. 17:27:39 should we get the wiki czar *thunder* to talk to the marketing team then? 17:28:17 So lets decide who will co-ordinate what task 17:28:46 i think mizmo can co-ordinate the first 3 (Design related) 17:29:00 ianweller seems to be a marketing person. 17:29:38 now if we could find ianweller.. 17:29:56 ianweller, ping 17:29:59 .fasinfo ianweller 17:30:00 oh he's probably at that one thing like mchua. 17:30:01 sijis: you want to take up any? 17:30:09 yep, ian is marketing 17:30:11 nb: he's at that one thing. 17:30:18 nb: in Raleigh 17:30:21 oh 17:30:26 he's at the airport right now 17:30:38 #info Ian Weller is at "that one thing(tm)" 17:30:40 lol 17:30:42 hiemanshu: i wasn't sure what the POT stuff is. 17:30:53 mizmo: heading back to Kansas? 17:30:59 he's* 17:31:01 * nb has too much of a sense of humor today, lol 17:31:03 well onekopaka can help you with that 17:31:13 sijis: ^^ 17:31:29 ok.. i'll work with onekopaka with that. 17:31:29 onekopaka: yeh, he's not in kansas anymore right now, but he will be again :) 17:31:29 anything else on the topic? 17:31:33 it's something about translations 17:31:37 mizmo: ;) 17:32:01 nb: template that has all the msgids 17:32:24 hiemanshu: I think we're good on this terpic. 17:32:37 #topic User Gallery 17:32:41 Well this is my job 17:32:56 mizmo: i want you to be a little clear with what you have in mind 17:32:56 sijis thinks it's a Facebook thing.. 17:33:08 hiemanshu, anything to show ? 17:33:09 :) 17:33:16 hiemanshu: the idea behind the user gallery is quite simple. take maybe 3 different fedora users, interview them, and have user testimonials. 17:33:28 hiemanshu: have a student talk about how they use fedora to do homework 17:33:32 markg85: working on it 17:33:35 hiemanshu: have a mom show how she uses fedora to work on photos 17:33:36 :P 17:33:37 stuff like that 17:33:57 mizmo: what about people showing off their desktops and how they got those? 17:34:16 hiemanshu: a desktop screenshot doesn't really show what you can do with fedora 17:34:26 hiemanshu: i think it'd be cooler to show something like this.... (one sec while i grab link) 17:34:31 mizmo: something like a User showoff 17:35:07 mizmo, what you want is a flickr like thing but for fedora? 17:35:27 mizmo: its almost like..."Using Fedora in your daily life." 17:35:46 hiemanshu: something like this http://mairin.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/making-cool-stuff-using-foss-software/ 17:36:00 hiemanshu: eg 'these are things that were produced using fedora' 17:36:15 mizmo: ahh i see now 17:36:24 * hiemanshu was a little unclear 17:36:36 mizmo: do you want it dynamic or static? 17:36:36 hiemanshu: show how it affects their real life 17:36:45 ricky wants it static though 17:36:49 hiemanshu: theres no reason it needs to be dynamic. better to start out static and expand if needed 17:37:07 great, and a form where people can fill and forward to us? 17:37:14 no i dont think that's a good idea 17:37:19 you're not going to get high-quality responses 17:37:25 you need to track good subjects down 17:37:28 and we dont need a lot 17:37:30 3 should be find 17:37:32 s/find/fine 17:37:44 you could use some of my print work for an artist use case if you want 17:37:50 we have all sort sof banners tshirts etc we've done 17:37:56 and i can get you high quality photos of them 17:38:01 so then you only have two other cases left to cover 17:38:17 mizmo: well we can have more than two cases 17:38:22 jack aboutaboul visited NASA and took some notes on their usage of fedora 17:38:24 * hiemanshu includes one of a Web Developer 17:38:35 3 total is probably all we need to start 17:38:40 NASA might be a really cool use case 17:38:44 yeah 17:38:48 yes 17:38:52 hiemanshu: web developer sounds like a great idea too 17:38:59 hiemanshu: maybe find a web developer who uses fedora as his desktop 17:39:06 mizmo: me ? 17:39:25 * hiemanshu is a Web developer 17:39:27 hiemanshu: sure do you have a bunch of websites you could show off that you made with fedora? 17:39:34 mizmo: sure 17:39:43 * onekopaka tends to use his mac to devlop web apps 17:39:48 cool 17:39:50 so you got your cases 17:39:58 just need to do the research for them and get the screenshots etc you need 17:40:02 once I get E to compile.... 17:40:07 Yes i ll do that 17:40:29 mizmo: mail me your case as well :) 17:40:45 Anyone else on the topic? 17:40:55 hiemanshu: not from me. 17:41:27 open floor time? 17:41:49 is mchua here? 17:42:04 hiemanshu, mchua is at thatonething 17:42:06 i think 17:42:10 ah ok 17:42:10 hiemanshu: she was also at that one thing with Ian Weller. 17:42:20 then Open Floor 17:42:25 #topic Open Floor 17:42:26 * nb LOL @ all the mentions of "that one thing" 17:42:29 hiemanshu: im happy to answer any questions to help write the case 17:42:34 hiemanshu: but i do not have the bandwidth to write it myself 17:42:36 nb: that one thing. 17:42:40 hiemanshu: the link i gave you should be a good start though 17:42:42 oke, mizmo, now my question ^_^ 17:42:57 * nb has nothing for open floor 17:43:04 nb: I hope you know what I mean by that one thing 17:43:05 mizmo: hmmmm, sure i ll do something and then probably i ll have some idea on what to write and ask you 17:43:09 mizmo, did you use any of the feedback i gathered in those mockups in progress? 17:43:10 POSSE, I think it is. 17:43:12 onekopaka, no i don't 17:43:25 ooh, i think i heard something about it on ian's blog 17:43:28 something with redhat 17:43:29 markg85: yes 17:43:29 nb: it has something weird to do with edumacation. 17:43:34 hiemanshu: cool 17:43:37 mizmo, like? 17:43:41 nb: and Red Hat. 17:43:43 well nb what is that one thing? 17:43:52 markg85: i don't have the time to go into detail right now, sorry. you'll see in the mockups when they're ready. 17:43:59 nb: and landfill.bugzilla.org 17:44:02 probably a bigger download button ;) 17:44:09 BIGGER DOWNLOAD BUTTON! 17:44:12 mizmo, oke :( 17:44:18 made in Scribus! 17:44:37 mizmo, any ETA? 17:45:03 onekopaka: whats that one thing? 17:45:37 onekopaka, HAHA 17:45:37 https://landfill.bugzilla.org/complaints/show_bug.cgi?id=116 17:45:47 hiemanshu: it's a thing RHT did about using FOSS in edumacation 17:45:47 markg85: you working on any mockups? 17:46:03 nb: complaintzilla FTW. 17:46:14 markg85: no 17:46:26 hiemanshu, well i did (2 months ago!!) and those are online on my wiki page (markg85) 17:46:39 nb: http://landfill.bugzilla.org/complaints/show_bug.cgi?id=1 =) 17:46:42 markg85: working on mockups for other things for the feature freeze next week so its been on the backburner 17:46:47 (eg anaconda, selinux) 17:47:14 sijis: you here? 17:47:20 hiemanshu: yup 17:47:24 HAHA 17:47:30 * nb should stop cluttering the meeting logs 17:47:35 sijis: you have anything to speak ot ask? 17:47:39 Red Hat really wants me to go to Red Hat Summit. 17:47:42 s//ot/or 17:48:03 hiemanshu: not really. 17:48:28 oh i do.. bringing back blogs. 17:48:29 anyone else on anything or shall i end the meeting? 17:48:36 sijis: go ahead 17:48:44 blags.fp.o 17:48:59 we are testing for the next couple of weeks, right? 17:49:13 sijis, i was planning on deploying it as soon as we get the spam plugin done 17:49:14 or.. better yet, how long will we test for? 17:49:17 nb can answer that better 17:49:18 * onekopaka thought we were deploying soon... 17:49:24 ricky: ping 17:49:25 nb: ok. 17:49:42 like <1 week id say, although i'll convert the pt15 one into blogs-test 17:49:51 mizmo, i kinda have the idea that it's on a very low backburner.. i started this stuff exactly one day after fedora 11 got released and at the speed things go now it's probably not even done before fedora 12 or even 13.. 17:50:06 * onekopaka thinks we need value1.stg and value2.stg 17:50:06 markg85: you want to take on my to-do list? go ahead. i'll hear from you in 2044 17:50:13 markg85: seriously! 17:50:40 onekopaka, yeah, would be nice 17:50:40 markg85: this is one of maybe 40 projects i'm working on, no exaggeration. it won't take long, i just like to sleep and eat and spend time with my family too. i'll work it in. 17:50:42 mizmo, you don't need to do it! i came here because i would like to give it a shot 17:50:50 if there's a specific time by which it needs to be in by, i can get it in by then 17:51:03 markg85: i would much rather prefer to do it, already have it half done 17:51:35 markg85: and if i understand correctly there is no rush on it as was brought up at last meeting 17:51:41 markg85: if the priority has changed that i can take that into account 17:52:16 mizmo, well.. a mockup before F12 would be nice :P 17:52:40 anyone have any thoughts about using badbehavior as a spam plugin for wpmu? 17:52:51 or about if we should stick with the packaged version of 2.7 or package our own version? 17:53:00 package our own version! 17:53:16 markg85: you seriously need to calm down. 17:53:20 markg85: stop being so nasty to me. 17:53:34 markg85: you have quite a nerve to question my ability to get things done. 17:53:48 markg85: you can take this offline with me if you feel you need to press the issue. 17:53:48 mizmo: its ok, hes like that only :) 17:53:51 people are questioning mizmo's ability to get things done? 17:54:00 onekopaka: " mizmo, well.. a mockup before F12 would be nice :P" 17:54:16 mizmo: calm down and go back to your work 17:54:24 hiemanshu: i'm perfectly calm 17:54:33 I am closing the meeting within 30 secs if no one has anything to say 17:54:36 ... you always take the things i say the wrong way 17:54:37 hiemanshu: i just dont understand why im getting attacked 17:54:37 please do 17:54:39 we all can just CALM DOWN. 17:54:44 mizmo: ignore him, hes just like that 17:55:08 Ok here it goes 17:55:11 #endmeeting HTML format log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-24/fedora-websites.2009-07-24-16.59.log.html Agenda in HTML: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-24/fedora-websites.2009-07-24-16.59.html Agenda in plain ol' text: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-24/fedora-websites.2009-07-24-16.59.txt Darren L. VanBuren ===================== http://oks.verymad.net/ From markg85 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 19:05:53 2009 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:05:53 +0200 Subject: It was "fun", bye bye. Message-ID: <6e24a8e80907241205q4fbb29c0i5f10957053e9455e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, It all started a few __months__ ago when i visited Max Spevack with ideas on how to improve the fedora website(s). (fp.o and get.fp.o) Back then fedora 11 was in the ending stages and there wasn't a lot of time to do any new things (actually there was no time for that) so it had to wait till after fedora 11 was released. After that happened (f11 release) i joined fedora with the idea to improve there website. Here are the problems i encountered. - First FAS. I needed to agree on the CLA but the information requirements are roughly the same as when you order something on a web shop. They just don't ask a credit card number yet. - - So i disagree with the side effect that i can't go to the wiki. - I had mockups of fp.o and get.fp.o that only needed polishing and making them look right in the current fp.o theme. But it was requested (read demanded) that i collected feedback... - After a lot of talking i did collect feedback: http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt - Right now Mizmo is "making" mockups of that feedback and "some" other feedback but none of the feedback was discussed which she did require me to do! kinda odd don't you think. - I came here to do that website stuff. Mizmo now does it which is exactly NOT what i wanted - Also the person all my "work" ends up with is Mizmo. The person i just don't like is: the same one. That is going (and already has) to give conflicts! I could make this list a lot longer with a lot insults or harsh things to mizmo but i won't do that although in my opinion she does deserver it! So where do i stand now? well, it took months to get NOWHERE so i'm not going to spend more months to get even further in nowhere. The design team had the chance to get me in, get a decent designer and coder in but screwed up big time. Work is going extremely slow if going at all and when i say something (to mizmo) it always seems land the wrong way.. I've had it with this head design team member thus i won't attend any future website meetings. I've already had it for a long time how fedora operates (hints at nautilus spatial view) and i had hoped that i could in time make a difference in Fedora. Guess that's not going to happen and i don't mind that. So, how have those last few months been for me? well, not productive at all! Talking a LOT and doing extremely little seems to be the way mizmo likes it. I don't so it was just not funny for me. Other people might be able to "work" in conditions like that but i like to get out of it ASAP. One note to Mizmo: At the very first moment, and that was ~1 1/2 year ago with "Project Amber" when i first spoke to you. you where extremely bossy back then and wanted everything the way you deem right. I found that strange but just took it for granted. Now the last few months i still notice the exact same behaviour of you. I hate that kind of behaviour. Boss someone else around, not me! And learn how to take on sarcasm. It would be best to just quit being bossy at all. I feel like i've been very mild in this entire message. One last request: Delete my fas account please (markg85) and everything that has markg85 in it. For fas: Why is there now: "delete my account"? To the rest of the website team, Good luck. That was it from me. Greetings, Mark From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 24 19:12:48 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:12:48 -0400 Subject: It was "fun", bye bye. In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80907241205q4fbb29c0i5f10957053e9455e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80907241205q4fbb29c0i5f10957053e9455e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090724191248.GK27214@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-07-24 09:05:53 PM, Mark wrote: > One last request: Delete my fas account please (markg85) and > everything that has markg85 in it. > For fas: Why is there now: "delete my account"? We do not delete accounts because there can always still be references to that account. The way to "clear" your account is to clear out any information you don't want kept in the edit user page (you can replace it with DELETED or something), then change your account status to inactive. If you'd like, you can file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ (login with your FAS account), and we can do this for you. Good luck, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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