From patelbirens at yahoo.co.in Mon Jun 1 17:18:16 2009 From: patelbirens at yahoo.co.in (biren patel) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:48:16 +0530 (IST) Subject: problem in submiting fedora free media project form. Message-ID: <358232.1751.qm@web95011.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hello Sir, i have problem in submiting fedora free media project form. when i click on "Take me to the next Page" button then it will display some error as follows Forbidden TICKET_CREATE privileges are required to perform this operation TracGuide ? The Trac User and Administration Guide Because of this error i m not able to get my token. and i m not able to submit the token. so can u guide me what can i do to get my token for Fedora free media program. i also mail this query to Susmit Shannigrahi who is responsible person for india free media program but he not reply me. please reply. Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. 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In-Reply-To: <358232.1751.qm@web95011.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <358232.1751.qm@web95011.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, you need an account on FAS (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ ) to get free media. Darren VanBuren onekopaka at gmail.com ==================== http://oks.tumblr.com/ On Jun 1, 2009, at 10:18 AM, biren patel wrote: > > Hello Sir, > i have problem in submiting fedora free media project form. > when i click on "Take me to the next Page" button then it will > display some error as follows > > Forbidden > > > TICKET_CREATE privileges are required to perform this operation > TracGuide ? The Trac User and Administration Guide > > Because of this error i m not able to get my token. > and i m not able to submit the token. > so can u guide me what can i do to get my token for Fedora free > media program. > > i also mail this query to Susmit Shannigrahi who is responsible > person for india free media program but he not reply me. > > > please reply. > > Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with Yahoo! > India Travel Click here!-- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 2 07:15:00 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 03:15:00 -0400 Subject: problem in submiting fedora free media project form. In-Reply-To: References: <358232.1751.qm@web95011.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090602071500.GB16931@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-01 10:20:42 PM, Darren VanBuren wrote: > Well, you need an account on FAS (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/) > to get free media. I think that trac instance is actually supposed to be configured to allow submissions through the form without an account. I'm waiting for susmit to respond and look into what the problem is. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From trac at fedorahosted.org Thu Jun 4 13:37:01 2009 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Infrastructure) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:37:01 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Infrastructure] #1438: Wiki CSS surpresses horizontal scrollbar In-Reply-To: <060.33f884f24a9b94f6169638dd77da0cce@fedorahosted.org> References: <060.33f884f24a9b94f6169638dd77da0cce@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <069.8c57d6ccadbb6f4b01d2d4523e85fb11@fedorahosted.org> #1438: Wiki CSS surpresses horizontal scrollbar -----------------------------+---------------------------------------------- Reporter: till | Owner: webmaster Type: bug | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: Web Application | Version: Severity: Normal | Resolution: Keywords: | -----------------------------+---------------------------------------------- Changes (by mmcgrath): * owner: santosp,ricky,mmcgrath => webmaster Comment: Anyone on the web team want to assign this to them and do it? -- Ticket URL: Fedora Infrastructure Fedora Infrastructure Project for Bugs, feature requests and access to our source code. From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 14:19:05 2009 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:19:05 -0400 Subject: [Fedora Infrastructure] #1438: Wiki CSS surpresses horizontal scrollbar In-Reply-To: <069.8c57d6ccadbb6f4b01d2d4523e85fb11@fedorahosted.org> References: <060.33f884f24a9b94f6169638dd77da0cce@fedorahosted.org> <069.8c57d6ccadbb6f4b01d2d4523e85fb11@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: Hi there, What are we wanting to do? get the whole table scrolling? or the cells themselves (6800px wide table :) Like this: http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/fedora_css.html -- Craig On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Fedora Infrastructure wrote: > #1438: Wiki CSS surpresses horizontal scrollbar > -----------------------------+---------------------------------------------- > ?Reporter: ?till ? ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? ? ?Owner: ?webmaster > ? ? Type: ?bug ? ? ? ? ? ? ?| ? ? ? Status: ?new > ?Priority: ?major ? ? ? ? ? ?| ? ?Milestone: > Component: ?Web Application ?| ? ? ?Version: > ?Severity: ?Normal ? ? ? ? ? | ? Resolution: > ?Keywords: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | > -----------------------------+---------------------------------------------- > Changes (by mmcgrath): > > ?* owner: ?santosp,ricky,mmcgrath => webmaster > > Comment: > > ?Anyone on the web team want to assign this to them and do it? > > -- > Ticket URL: > Fedora Infrastructure > Fedora Infrastructure Project for Bugs, feature requests and access to our source code. > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 4 17:08:02 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:08:02 -0400 Subject: [Fedora Infrastructure] #1438: Wiki CSS surpresses horizontal scrollbar In-Reply-To: References: <060.33f884f24a9b94f6169638dd77da0cce@fedorahosted.org> <069.8c57d6ccadbb6f4b01d2d4523e85fb11@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <20090604170802.GA8561@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-04 10:19:05 AM, Craig Thomas wrote: > What are we wanting to do? get the whole table scrolling? or the cells > themselves (6800px wide table :) > > Like this: > > http://craigt.fedorapeople.org/fedora_css.html Not saying that the wide table issue doesn't need to be fixed, but is an enormous table really the best way to format these response? Even with a proper scroll bar, it's painful for me to read because I have to move to the bottom of the table to scroll. Also, when I'm in the middle of the table, it's really easy to loose track of whose response I'm reading. My suggestion for now would be to put these in separate pages per-candidate. That way, a reader would just have to look at the address or title bar to see whose response they're reading (also, the wide table issue is a very non-trivial CSS problem that's not easy to fix given the way that our particular layout works, so there's no guarantee that we'll be able to fix this in short period of time.) Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I agree that having the scrollbar only at the bottom of the table does not help that much. For the problem to know who's collomn it is, I thought about repeating the name of the candidates every other line. > My suggestion for now would be to put these in separate pages > per-candidate. That way, a reader would just have to look at the > address or title bar to see whose response they're reading (also, the > wide table issue is a very non-trivial CSS problem that's not easy to > fix given the way that our particular layout works, so there's no > guarantee that we'll be able to fix this in short period of time.) For me it is more useful to search for the interesting questions and then directly compare the answers of the candidates. Regards Till -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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Michel COLLET michel.collet at dclic.fr ----- DCLIC 132, rue de Rosny - 93100 MONTREUIL-Sous-BOIS - FRANCE phone +33 (0)1 4857 2406 - web : http://www.dclic.fr Si?ge: 32 place Saint Georges - 75009 PARIS - FRANCE ----- Prot?geons l'environnement ? avez-vous besoin d'imprimer cet e-mail ? Help save paper ? do you need to print this e-mail? From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 13:52:25 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:52:25 -0400 Subject: [DCliC > Fedora] the link "How to create and use Live USB" don't work In-Reply-To: <4A28F97B.6040004@dclic.fr> References: <4A28F97B.6040004@dclic.fr> Message-ID: <20090605135225.GA14154@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:54:51PM +0200, Michel.COLLET at dclic.fr wrote: > Hello, > > In the page: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo > > the link "How to create and use Live USB > " don't > work. > > Thank you to inform me after the correction. This link works fine for me. Make sure your page is refreshed by hitting Ctrl+R or Shift+Ctrl+R in your browser. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From cheshirc at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 17:26:59 2009 From: cheshirc at gmail.com (Mark Bennett) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:26:59 -0700 Subject: self-introduction Cheshirc Message-ID: <7624ecf60906051026i78d27bd6jca36c6c02b8c97bb@mail.gmail.com> Hi all: My name is Mark B. Live in Eastern Washington State I will expand my bio on site as time permitts or nessesity requiers. I was hoping to join the Websites team to assist in tasks suitable for my level of experience. i.e. updating links , expanding content , minor corrections, gear up to do more. My level of experience here could probably be considered mid level user. I did a little Fortran programming in the early severities as a high school class on Honeywell 2000 /s360. I took a few networking classes in the late 90's and was made the Lab-Tech for several semesters, being the only student to get their own office. I spent my semester breaks saturating coax as ( at the time) we had no licensed ghosting software for the task. I am also interested in joining other groups. Thank You for your consideration . Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 5 17:36:50 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:36:50 -0400 Subject: self-introduction Cheshirc In-Reply-To: <7624ecf60906051026i78d27bd6jca36c6c02b8c97bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <7624ecf60906051026i78d27bd6jca36c6c02b8c97bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090605173650.GA24991@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-05 10:26:59 AM, Mark Bennett wrote: > Hi all: > My name is? Mark B. > Live in Eastern Washington State > I will expand my bio on site as time permitts or nessesity requiers. > I was hoping to join the Websites team to assist in tasks suitable for my level > of experience. > i.e. updating links , expanding content , minor corrections, gear up to do > more. Hey, welcome, and thanks for the CSS patches :-) Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From onekopaka at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 18:18:17 2009 From: onekopaka at gmail.com (Darren VanBuren) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:18:17 -0700 Subject: self-introduction Cheshirc Message-ID: <719D2441-0900-4D13-B0E7-48B37E9DCEFC@gmail.com> Oh cool! Someone from Washington! Welcome to the Fedora websites team. (I assume you've applied for the team at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ ) Darren VanBuren ------------------------- Sent from my iPod Try Fedora 10 today. Fire it up. http://fedoraproject.org/ On Jun 5, 2009, at 10:26, Mark Bennett wrote: > Hi all: > My name is Mark B. > Live in Eastern Washington State > I will expand my bio on site as time permitts or nessesity requiers. > I was hoping to join the Websites team to assist in tasks suitable > for my level of experience. > i.e. updating links , expanding content , minor corrections, gear up > to do more. > My level of experience here could probably be considered mid level > user. > I did a little Fortran programming in the early severities as a > high school class on Honeywell 2000 /s360. > I took a few networking classes in the late 90's and was made the > Lab-Tech for several semesters, being the only student to get their > own office. I spent my semester breaks saturating coax as ( at the > time) we had no licensed ghosting software for the task. > I am also interested in joining other groups. > Thank You for your consideration . > Mark > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list From bootsmorris at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 20:43:07 2009 From: bootsmorris at gmail.com (Justin Morris) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:43:07 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction Message-ID: <4d2e88be0906051343w3ec15d8fu2a749551214bae2b@mail.gmail.com> Hello, My name is Justin and I live in centeral texas. I want to join the team to help with maintenance of the fedora website. I took a webmastering class in high school in about 2003 where we used dreamweaver. I also took some networking classes at the college level in 06 and 07. I just want to learn more about websites and how they work. 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We'd love to have you on our team! Once we have meetings on IRC again, come join us! Darren VanBuren ------------------------- Sent from my iPod Try Fedora 10 today. Fire it up. http://fedoraproject.org/ On Jun 5, 2009, at 13:43, Justin Morris wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Justin and I live in centeral texas. I want to join the > team to help with maintenance of the fedora website. I took a > webmastering class in high school in about 2003 where we used > dreamweaver. I also took some networking classes at the college > level in 06 and 07. I just want to learn more about websites and > how they work. > > Thanks for your consideration, > > -- > ----------------------------------------- > Justin Morris > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Jun 8 15:07:07 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:07:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: More agressive caching Message-ID: We'll be caching more aggressively tonight for tomorrow's F-11 release. This will mostly have impact on the wiki. It basically means you might have to wait for several minutes before a change you make to the wiki to actually show up. This is a temporary measure and will return to normal a day or two after the launch and load on the servers has gone down. -Mike From eric.donkersloot at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 13:23:57 2009 From: eric.donkersloot at gmail.com (Eric Donkersloot) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:23:57 +0200 Subject: Forgot login for FAS Message-ID: <93fe3ad00906090623u49732207k280c8eda398fe9ea@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I forgot my login for FAS, my e-mail address is eric.donkersloot at gmail.com. How can I find out what my login is ? Cheers, Eric -- Eric Donkersloot eric.donkersloot at gmail.com From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 9 13:40:13 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:40:13 -0400 Subject: Forgot login for FAS In-Reply-To: <93fe3ad00906090623u49732207k280c8eda398fe9ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <93fe3ad00906090623u49732207k280c8eda398fe9ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090609134013.GB24163@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-09 03:23:57 PM, Eric Donkersloot wrote: > I forgot my login for FAS, my e-mail address is > eric.donkersloot at gmail.com. How can I find out what my login is ? Your username is ericd. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From troni at live.de Tue Jun 9 14:10:30 2009 From: troni at live.de (Toni Arregui) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:10:30 +0000 Subject: Where??? Message-ID: Hallo, Webmaster! I don't find the page to get Fedora 11, and I see it is already there!!! Must I just wait???? Thank you and greetings, Toni _________________________________________________________________ http://redirect.gimas.net/?n=M0906xIE8_MSN4_WW Internet Explorer 8 jetzt f?r MSN - kostenlos! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tmz at pobox.com Tue Jun 9 14:24:37 2009 From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:24:37 -0400 Subject: Where??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090609142437.GI2240@inocybe.localdomain> Toni Arregui wrote: > I don't find the page to get Fedora 11, and I see it is already > there!!! Must I just wait???? The web pages were updated a few minutes after 1400 UTC. They should be good now. -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The average woman would rather be beautiful than smart because the average man can see better than he can think. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 542 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peterd at iea-software.com Tue Jun 9 16:58:40 2009 From: peterd at iea-software.com (Peter Deacon) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:58:40 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: Language selection weirdness Message-ID: Had a bunch of languages selected in my browser (IE7) with us english (en-US) the first on the list and chinese (zh-CN) second. 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From: Marc Tetreau Subject: Error 404 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:37:54 -0400 Size: 1058 URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 9 19:06:06 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:06:06 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Error 404] In-Reply-To: <4A2E9ECD.6010305@polymtl.ca> References: <4A2E9ECD.6010305@polymtl.ca> Message-ID: <20090609190606.GC15733@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-09 01:41:33 PM, Marc Tetreau wrote: > Link to checksum value is missing for live media i386 in page. > > (http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Live/i686/F11-i686-Live-CHECKSUM) Thanks for the report - these links have been fixed now. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Experience-wise, I'm fluent in (X)HTML and CSS, though cross-browser compatibility issues make me Very Sad. I occasionally put up basic sites for friends as a combination hobby/because-I'm-the-"computer-person" thing. I've been playing on and off with it since high school when my idea of "good design" involved a tiled background of a Star Wars X-wing fighter and the tag. (My taste has improved considerably since then.) Anti-skillz: My sketching ability and sense of space and color (or lack thereof, particularly for the last one) can be seen in the image linked to above, and I understand how javascript-based UIs and db-backed webapps are made, but am not particularly gifted at making them, and I've learned just enough about usability to be dangerous. Skillz: What I'm actually pretty good at is being articulately confused, and at breaking things - being a sort of Perpetual Newbie From Hell who inexplicably submits good bug reports. I blame my brief stint as a QA engineer for that. I can also be a Mediawiki fiend, having spent the past 2 years or so building up, weeding, and admin-ing http://wiki.laptop.org. I try to ask interesting questions and to not get distracted by shiny stuff, though the success rate of the latter is... a work in progress. A question, since I'm following down the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join page: when is the next meeting? According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings#Time_and_Place, the next meeting is in 2008 - so I'm curious whether there are still meetings held, and if not, if folks would be interested in gathering for one on IRC sometime this week or early next. Seems like a good time to look at our site, since plenty of new users are hitting it and giving us potentially interesting data on the kinds of things that could be improved. ;) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Jun 10 02:49:56 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:49:56 -0400 Subject: Fedora wiki FIrefox shortcuts Message-ID: <4A2F1F54.6060105@redhat.com> Thought you folks might appreciate - these are Firefox shortcuts that make navigating the wiki much, much faster (I usually whip these up for wikis that I spend a lot of time on). I can't imagine I'm the first one to come up with this idea, but I couldn't find a prior implementation, so here you go. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mchua/Templates For instance, instead of typing "https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mchua/Templates" as above, I typed "fu Mchua/Templates" and boom, you're there. A longer explanation is here, and should be popping on the Planet in a moment: http://blog.melchua.com/2009/06/09/fedora-wiki-shortcuts-for-firefox/ --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Jun 10 03:08:15 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:08:15 -0400 Subject: WIki standards review request - education SIG page Message-ID: <4A2F239F.4020008@redhat.com> Wikis rock! Except when they turn into unmaintainable swamps of information (in which case they still rock, just... more frustratingly than optimal.) In the spirit of Trying To Do Things Right, I went through the Edu SIG pages and tried to redo them to fit wiki standards. Here's what I did: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:SIGs/Education#Following_wiki_standards Thoughts, feedback? In particular, I don't really expect the meeting minutes pages to all get categorized correctly, unless we can figure out a clever solution to remembering (or automatically doing) that... Ian, as the wiki czar, I thought I'd ping you especially to see if you could take a quick look and make recommendations. ;) Thanks in advance for taking a peek! --Mel From pfrields at redhat.com Wed Jun 10 15:43:39 2009 From: pfrields at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:43:39 -0400 Subject: Fedora wiki FIrefox shortcuts In-Reply-To: <4A2F1F54.6060105@redhat.com> References: <4A2F1F54.6060105@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090610154339.GB9699@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:49:56PM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > Thought you folks might appreciate - these are Firefox shortcuts that > make navigating the wiki much, much faster (I usually whip these up for > wikis that I spend a lot of time on). I can't imagine I'm the first one > to come up with this idea, but I couldn't find a prior implementation, so > here you go. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mchua/Templates > > For instance, instead of typing > "https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mchua/Templates" as above, I typed > "fu Mchua/Templates" and boom, you're there. > > A longer explanation is here, and should be popping on the Planet in a > moment: > http://blog.melchua.com/2009/06/09/fedora-wiki-shortcuts-for-firefox/ I use these religiously, including: fp (for FedoraProject wiki) bz (for Bugzilla numbers) w (for Wikipedia) One thing to watch for is the difference between '%s' and '%S' when you're using keywords with bookmark searches. I think the lowercase version escapes characters which can change the way they're used. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 10 18:53:45 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:53:45 -0400 Subject: Self-introduction: Mel Chua In-Reply-To: <4A2F1917.4050108@redhat.com> References: <4A2F1917.4050108@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090610185345.GA22473@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-09 10:23:19 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Hi! I'm Mel. This is my current mental model of our website, which you > may have seen on Planet Fedora. > > http://blog.melchua.com/2009/06/09/fedora-website-graphical-notes/ Hey, welcome! > A question, since I'm following down the > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join page: when is the next > meeting? According to > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings#Time_and_Place, the next > meeting is in 2008 - so I'm curious whether there are still meetings > held, and if not, if folks would be interested in gathering for one on > IRC sometime this week or early next. Yeah, meetings unfortunately dropped off a few months back the time started conflicting with classes :-/ Now's a great time to get that started again now. Can we setup something on the wiki where everybody can mark when they're availble for meetings? > Seems like a good time to look at our site, since plenty of new users > are hitting it and giving us potentially interesting data on the kinds > of things that could be improved. ;) Yup. For those that aren't on the design-team list, Mairin recently posted an fp.o mockup and started a discusion at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000141.html. Does anybody else have any thoughts on how we can improve the website? Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From onekopaka at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 19:06:00 2009 From: onekopaka at gmail.com (Darren VanBuren) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:06:00 -0700 Subject: Self-introduction: Mel Chua In-Reply-To: <20090610185345.GA22473@alpha.rzhou.org> References: <4A2F1917.4050108@redhat.com> <20090610185345.GA22473@alpha.rzhou.org> Message-ID: <64BADE40-208E-4285-B250-334782FDE448@gmail.com> Ricky, IIRC, we had a table on the wiki for meeting times. I don't remember where it is though. Darren VanBuren ------------------------- Sent from my iPod Try Fedora 10 today. Fire it up. http://fedoraproject.org/ On Jun 10, 2009, at 11:53, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2009-06-09 10:23:19 PM, Mel Chua wrote: >> Hi! I'm Mel. This is my current mental model of our website, which >> you >> may have seen on Planet Fedora. >> >> http://blog.melchua.com/2009/06/09/fedora-website-graphical-notes/ > Hey, welcome! > >> A question, since I'm following down the >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join page: when is the next >> meeting? According to >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings#Time_and_Place, the >> next >> meeting is in 2008 - so I'm curious whether there are still meetings >> held, and if not, if folks would be interested in gathering for one >> on >> IRC sometime this week or early next. > Yeah, meetings unfortunately dropped off a few months back the time > started conflicting with classes :-/ Now's a great time to get that > started again now. Can we setup something on the wiki where everybody > can mark when they're availble for meetings? > >> Seems like a good time to look at our site, since plenty of new users >> are hitting it and giving us potentially interesting data on the >> kinds >> of things that could be improved. ;) > Yup. For those that aren't on the design-team list, Mairin recently > posted an fp.o mockup and started a discusion at > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000141.html > . > Does anybody else have any thoughts on how we can improve the website? > > > Thanks, > Ricky > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list From ca219234 at tiscali.cz Wed Jun 10 20:50:38 2009 From: ca219234 at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?MITANA_Ale=B9?=) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:50:38 +0200 Subject: Fedora 11 Message-ID: <20090610205051.8F3333348B@nbs.bubakov.net> Hallo, I would like obtain new fedora 11. I waiting for new release but i disillusioned. Your new version isn?t pasible download. Why? Thank you for your answer Ales -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 10 21:34:58 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:34:58 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <20090610205051.8F3333348B@nbs.bubakov.net> References: <20090610205051.8F3333348B@nbs.bubakov.net> Message-ID: <20090610213458.GB22473@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-10 10:50:38 PM, MITANA Ale? wrote: > I would like obtain new fedora 11. I waiting for new release but i > disillusioned. > > Your new version isn?t pasible download. Why? What's wrong with the download now? You should be able to get Fedora from http://get.fedoraproject.org/ or the torrents at http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark had some, they're up at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Markg85. --Mel From tmz at pobox.com Wed Jun 10 23:22:48 2009 From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:22:48 -0400 Subject: [fwd] DVD install image error Message-ID: <20090610232248.GW2240@inocybe.localdomain> This was discarded automatically by Mailman... ----- Forwarded message from rogergao ----- Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:26:58 +0800 (CST) To: webmaster at fedoraproject.org, press at fedoraproject.org From: rogergao Subject: DVD install image error Message-ID: <29314866.8911244669218009.JavaMail.coremail at bj163app26.163.com> images directory not have boot.iso image file. This directory contains image files that can be used to create media capable of starting the Fedora installation process. The boot.iso file is an ISO 9660 image of a bootable CD-ROM. It is useful in cases where the CD-ROM installation method is not desired, but the CD-ROM's boot speed would be an advantage. 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Basically, the tradition is that there must the relation that "oldname is an X, and newname is also an X," and the relation can't be the same one that was used last time. In this case, the relation turned out to be that Cambridge and Leonidas were both names of ships in the US Navy. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 11 15:39:48 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:39:48 -0400 Subject: Download Fedora da Torrent In-Reply-To: <35FA9011C8B24B0BA2CE5CCF2B36DD5B@PORTATILE> References: <35FA9011C8B24B0BA2CE5CCF2B36DD5B@PORTATILE> Message-ID: <20090611153948.GN22473@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-11 02:29:30 PM, Pitampito wrote: > come posso scaricare FEDORA 11 con i Torrent ? 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If the team lead is not able to attend please substitute another person on the sign-up page below so that there are two people from each team. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Retrospective Thanks, John From mel at redhat.com Wed Jun 10 22:59:16 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:59:16 -0400 Subject: Self-introduction: Mel Chua In-Reply-To: <64BADE40-208E-4285-B250-334782FDE448@gmail.com> References: <4A2F1917.4050108@redhat.com> <20090610185345.GA22473@alpha.rzhou.org> <64BADE40-208E-4285-B250-334782FDE448@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A303AC4.1050500@redhat.com> > Ricky, IIRC, we had a table on the wiki for meeting times. I don't > remember where it is though. I set up a whenisgood for scheduling, and will send it out in a separate email momentarily. >> Does anybody else have any thoughts on how we can improve the website? Mark had some, they're up at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Markg85. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Jun 10 23:09:28 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:09:28 -0400 Subject: Meeting scheduling! (Also: status check-in get together Friday 1800 UTC.) Message-ID: <4A303D28.7000203@redhat.com> Multiple people have expressed the thought that it'd be good to have a I set up a whenisgood for meeting scheduling. Hope that's ok. Vote here: http://whenisgood.net/fedorawebsites It's also on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings#Time_and_Place Before then, Mark and I will be checking in on what's up with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks (which is getting updated with status info from Ricky shortly as well), and we'd love company. Join us (markg85 and mchua) on #fedora-websites this Friday at 20:00 Dutch time, which is 18:00 UTC, or (for me, in Boston) 14:00 EST (UTC-4). We'll post notes/logs to the list, and this isn't really an official meeting of any sort, but it's a good time for us to catch up on what's going on. --Mel From P.F.Leggett at exeter.ac.uk Fri Jun 12 12:33:28 2009 From: P.F.Leggett at exeter.ac.uk (Peter Leggett) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:33:28 +0100 Subject: fedoraproject web site has missing release note for fedora 11 Message-ID: <4A324B18.9090003@exeter.ac.uk> Hi, This page http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f11/ doesn't appear to have any release notes. Pete From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 12 13:28:17 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:58:17 +0530 Subject: fedoraproject web site has missing release note for fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <4A324B18.9090003@exeter.ac.uk> References: <4A324B18.9090003@exeter.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4A3257F1.8050603@fedoraproject.org> On 06/12/2009 06:03 PM, Peter Leggett wrote: > Hi, > > This page http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f11/ doesn't > appear to have any release notes. I do see it. Try shift + refresh Rahul From tmz at pobox.com Fri Jun 12 13:29:03 2009 From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:29:03 -0400 Subject: fedoraproject web site has missing release note for fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <4A324B18.9090003@exeter.ac.uk> References: <4A324B18.9090003@exeter.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20090612132903.GG5076@inocybe.localdomain> Hi Peter, Peter Leggett wrote: > This page http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f11/ doesn't > appear to have any release notes. Are the links for each language not appearing on that page for you? When I visit the page, I see a large list of available languages to choose. Clicking English (English/US, en_US), for example, takes me to the release notes in English. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f11/en-US/ -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum. -- Kurt Vonnegut -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 542 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bunny1985 at o2.pl Fri Jun 12 13:35:43 2009 From: bunny1985 at o2.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?bunny1985?=) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:35:43 +0200 Subject: download page of f11 dvd iso link Message-ID: <680333de.118c39c0.4a3259af.cf964@o2.pl> Hi on page http://fedoraproject.org/pl/get-fedora-all is a linkt o dvd iso image, witch is unavaible. Just to let you know :) Sory for my poor english. From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 13:51:56 2009 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:56 -0400 Subject: Meeting scheduling! (Also: status check-in get together Friday 1800 UTC.) In-Reply-To: <4A303D28.7000203@redhat.com> References: <4A303D28.7000203@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Multiple people have expressed the thought that it'd be good to have a I set > up a whenisgood for meeting scheduling. Hope that's ok. Vote here: > http://whenisgood.net/fedorawebsites Certainly do not mean to nitpick ( I thinks its awesome what you are doing...), however I do not believe the above url is going to work out so well for the group as a whole to track meeting times. Also, I see no link to it now, but we *had* a matrix for this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix ( not ideal, but seems to be the standard way among other fedora projects ). See ya on IRC, -- Craig > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > From mel at redhat.com Fri Jun 12 14:30:26 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:30:26 -0400 Subject: Meeting scheduling! (Also: status check-in get together Friday 1800 UTC.) In-Reply-To: References: <4A303D28.7000203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A326682.6050102@redhat.com> > doing...), however I do not believe the above url is going to work out > so well for the group as a whole to track meeting times. That's ok. :) I thought I'd toss it out there in case it did make things easier (and so far we've got it down to 7 potential meeting times, see http://whenisgood.net/fedorawebsites/results/6kgyqj - noting that we've only had 3 responses so far) but if something else works out better, that's awesome. > no link to it now, but we *had* a matrix for this: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/Matrix Thanks! You're right; there wasn't anything linking to that page before, so I linked it at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings#Time_and_Place where folks can find it, and I guess we'll see which one people use. --Mel From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 12 17:49:56 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:49:56 -0400 Subject: download page of f11 dvd iso link In-Reply-To: <680333de.118c39c0.4a3259af.cf964@o2.pl> References: <680333de.118c39c0.4a3259af.cf964@o2.pl> Message-ID: <20090612174956.GB16094@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-12 03:35:43 PM, bunny1985 wrote: > Hi on page http://fedoraproject.org/pl/get-fedora-all > is a linkt o dvd iso image, witch is unavaible. > Just to let you know :) Hi, the link on that page redirects you to mirror. When you click the link, can you tell me what mirror you get sent to (what shows up in the address bar after you click it). 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I know there's at least one person who had some things to pitch in *winks at juank_prada*. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Brainstorms --Mel From mel at redhat.com Fri Jun 12 20:48:33 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:48:33 -0400 Subject: Notes from today's IRC get-together Message-ID: <4A32BF21.2080601@redhat.com> Here you go! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2009-06-12 These are formatted in the most hideous way imaginable. How do I make them pretty, like other Fedora meeting notes I've seen (like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-06-09)? --Mel From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 12 20:56:49 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:26:49 +0530 Subject: Notes from today's IRC get-together In-Reply-To: <4A32BF21.2080601@redhat.com> References: <4A32BF21.2080601@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A32C111.6040907@fedoraproject.org> On 06/13/2009 02:18 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > Here you go! > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2009-06-12 > > These are formatted in the most hideous way imaginable. How do I make > them pretty, like other Fedora meeting notes I've seen (like > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-06-09)? Use irclog2html available in the repo Rahul From skillful at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 17:16:25 2009 From: skillful at gmail.com (skillful at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:16:25 -0700 Subject: 404 on fedoraproject.org Message-ID: Hi, Your download link is down at http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora . (since yesterday, at least). I thought you might want to know. Best, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 12 21:37:59 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:37:59 -0400 Subject: 404 on fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090612213759.GE30181@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-12 10:16:25 AM, skillful at gmail.com wrote: > Your download link is down at http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora . (since > yesterday, at least). I thought you might want to know. Hi, the link on that page redirects you to mirror. 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URL: From bicycle.nutz at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 01:53:19 2009 From: bicycle.nutz at gmail.com (Craig Thomas) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:53:19 -0400 Subject: i386 live cd fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <97dec8a20906121733p2d52837ar42fe982654ca6c05@mail.gmail.com> References: <97dec8a20906121733p2d52837ar42fe982654ca6c05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Vijay Patel wrote: > Hi > i am looking at fedoraproject.org but unable to find the iso for i386 live > ?cd > you have i386 installation but I want to run it off live cd > the i686 does not work > I have a IBM thinkpad T42 model 2373-6yg > please send me the correct link to download the i386-live-cd-KDE Hi there, I am sorry, we do not offer any liveCDs in the i386, just i686 and x86_64 ( regardless of gnome or kde ). I am not certain of the details, but believe this to be a technical limitation and not policy decision. ( Some one please correct me if I am wrong. ) Cheers, -- Craig > -- > Blame the Game not the Playa... > Learn from Yesterday, Live for Today, Hope for Tomorrow... > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > From mel at redhat.com Sat Jun 13 04:58:09 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:58:09 -0400 Subject: Notes from today's IRC get-together In-Reply-To: <4A3305B0.3050208@redhat.com> References: <4A32BF21.2080601@redhat.com> <4A32C111.6040907@fedoraproject.org> <4A3305B0.3050208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A3331E1.8060704@redhat.com> The meeting notes are actually readable now. Thanks, Rahul! Mel Chua wrote: > Thanks - I'll check it out. Well-formatted meeting notes are the win. > > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 06/13/2009 02:18 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >>> Here you go! >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2009-06-12 >>> >>> These are formatted in the most hideous way imaginable. How do I make >>> them pretty, like other Fedora meeting notes I've seen (like >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-06-09)? >> >> Use irclog2html available in the repo >> >> Rahul > From vjmpatel at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 02:18:15 2009 From: vjmpatel at gmail.com (Vijay Patel) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:18:15 -0700 Subject: i386 live cd fedora 11 In-Reply-To: References: <97dec8a20906121733p2d52837ar42fe982654ca6c05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <97dec8a20906121918q28d65174k2f6bf69d6dd34363@mail.gmail.com> but the i686 does not work with my laptop which live cd do I use? On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Craig Thomas wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Vijay Patel wrote: > > Hi > > i am looking at fedoraproject.org but unable to find the iso for i386 > live > > cd > > you have i386 installation but I want to run it off live cd > > the i686 does not work > > I have a IBM thinkpad T42 model 2373-6yg > > please send me the correct link to download the i386-live-cd-KDE > > Hi there, > > I am sorry, we do not offer any liveCDs in the i386, just i686 and > x86_64 ( regardless of gnome or kde ). > > I am not certain of the details, but believe this to be a technical > limitation and not policy decision. ( Some one please correct me if I > am wrong. ) > > Cheers, > > -- > Craig > > > -- > > Blame the Game not the Playa... > > Learn from Yesterday, Live for Today, Hope for Tomorrow... > > > > -- > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > > > -- Blame the Game not the Playa... Learn from Yesterday, Live for Today, Hope for Tomorrow... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Jun 15 01:36:44 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:36:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: start.fp.o Message-ID: start.fedoraproject.org still says "Add a counter to your own site!" but there's no real counter anymore, just "11" :) -Mike From tmz at pobox.com Mon Jun 15 12:33:09 2009 From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:33:09 -0400 Subject: start.fp.o In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090615123309.GA3332@inocybe.localdomain> Mike McGrath wrote: > start.fedoraproject.org still says "Add a counter to your own site!" > but there's no real counter anymore, just "11" :) Fixed in commit 90e5c86?. Thanks for pointing this out Mike. ? http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=fedora-web.git;a=commitdiff;h=90e5c86 -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before. -- Mae West -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 542 bytes Desc: not available URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 14:47:17 2009 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:47:17 +0200 Subject: Ideas for Fedora Planet site Message-ID: <64b14b300906150747t6a7ff96fn9220f55d47c161e4@mail.gmail.com> I have a few ideas and suggestions on how to improve Fedora Planet site, please tell me what do you think about them. 1. Search - currently there isn't any search on Fedora Planet. Fedora bloggers have great posts and are a really valuable resource, searching through their greats posts with tips&tricks would be a real benefit to everybody. 2. Previous posts - sometimes I'm way from the PC for days, and some times I have extra free time, it would be nice to be able to catch up with previous Fedora Planet posts by looking at previous post. Currently there is only one page of posts that is really rapidly updated, and if you miss some great post it is lost in the internet tubes forever ;) 3. Digg style voting on best posts - this is just an idea, but what do you think of adding a "Digg" style button or "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" button on planet posts, sure the posts should be rotated to show the newest ones, but somewhere on the edges could be top 10 posts of the week or something similar... Cheers! -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 15 15:00:02 2009 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (Seth Vidal) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ideas for Fedora Planet site In-Reply-To: <64b14b300906150747t6a7ff96fn9220f55d47c161e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300906150747t6a7ff96fn9220f55d47c161e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Valent Turkovic wrote: > I have a few ideas and suggestions on how to improve Fedora Planet > site, please tell me what do you think about them. > > 1. Search > - currently there isn't any search on Fedora Planet. Fedora bloggers > have great posts and are a really valuable resource, searching through > their greats posts with tips&tricks would be a real benefit to > everybody. Then setup an rss feed reader. Liferea, google reader, etc, etc. They all have a search feature. > > 2. Previous posts > - sometimes I'm way from the PC for days, and some times I have extra > free time, it would be nice to be able to catch up with previous > Fedora Planet posts by looking at previous post. Currently there is > only one page of posts that is really rapidly updated, and if you miss > some great post it is lost in the internet tubes forever ;) See above. > 3. Digg style voting on best posts > - this is just an idea, but what do you think of adding a "Digg" style > button or "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" button on planet posts, sure > the posts should be rotated to show the newest ones, but somewhere on > the edges could be top 10 posts of the week or something similar... I don't think of fedora planet as a contest. -sv From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Jun 15 15:22:35 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:22:35 +0200 Subject: Ideas for Fedora Planet site In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300906150747t6a7ff96fn9220f55d47c161e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e245bc9b3fe478f40f01e92ca2fbb09@localhost> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:00:02 -0400 (EDT), Seth Vidal wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Valent Turkovic wrote: > >> I have a few ideas and suggestions on how to improve Fedora Planet >> site, please tell me what do you think about them. >> >> 1. Search >> - currently there isn't any search on Fedora Planet. Fedora bloggers >> have great posts and are a really valuable resource, searching through >> their greats posts with tips&tricks would be a real benefit to >> everybody. > > Then setup an rss feed reader. Liferea, google reader, etc, etc. They all > have a search feature. > Thunderbird has one, too, in case you want to take this offline. >> >> 2. Previous posts >> - sometimes I'm way from the PC for days, and some times I have extra >> free time, it would be nice to be able to catch up with previous >> Fedora Planet posts by looking at previous post. Currently there is >> only one page of posts that is really rapidly updated, and if you miss >> some great post it is lost in the internet tubes forever ;) > > See above. > Same here. -Jeroen From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 15 15:39:24 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:39:24 -0400 Subject: Ideas for Fedora Planet site In-Reply-To: <5e245bc9b3fe478f40f01e92ca2fbb09@localhost> References: <64b14b300906150747t6a7ff96fn9220f55d47c161e4@mail.gmail.com> <5e245bc9b3fe478f40f01e92ca2fbb09@localhost> Message-ID: <20090615153924.GC4253@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-15 05:22:35 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > > Then setup an rss feed reader. Liferea, google reader, etc, etc. They all > > > have a search feature. > > > > Thunderbird has one, too, in case you want to take this offline. To add to the list of tips, I have rss2email setup for Fedora Planet, so I get all posts via email and can keep a full history since I started :-) Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From xtlynne at charter.net Mon Jun 15 16:33:22 2009 From: xtlynne at charter.net (terry) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:33:22 -0400 Subject: f11 c onfusion Message-ID: <4A3677D2.50807@charter.net> dint tell me to go somewhere else! i d/l f11 live cd from the second page, the one after leo bellowing. checksums.were okay. i install and get vmliuz and init and ready, then, the message sasys ihave a x86_64 kernasl software. i have a 32 bit dell and f10 installed fine. also,from the third page, i d/l f11 install dvd. the checksums didnt check correctly. what gives?? From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 15 17:00:44 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:00:44 -0400 Subject: f11 c onfusion In-Reply-To: <4A3677D2.50807@charter.net> References: <4A3677D2.50807@charter.net> Message-ID: <20090615170044.GH4253@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-15 12:33:22 PM, terry wrote: > i d/l f11 live cd from the second page, the one after leo bellowing. > checksums.were okay. i install and get vmliuz and init and ready, > then, the message sasys ihave a x86_64 kernasl software. > i have a 32 bit dell and f10 installed fine. Sorry, but for support questions like this, please contact one of the help resources listed at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate. > also,from the third page, i d/l f11 install dvd. the checksums didnt > check correctly. 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Suggested questions to answer: a) What went well? b) What could have gone better? c) If time and resources were not an issue, what three things would make Fedora 12 our best release ever? 2) While the speaker has the floor nobody can interrupt or correct what they are saying --there are no "wrong" ideas --other participants can seek clarification from speaker after they are done 3) Other attendees will help capture points raised in gobby 4) Open discussion and go forward plans after each person has had an opportunity to speak == Meeting Outcomes == o Individual feedback (see below) o John Poelstra will create a wiki version of these notes and post link to in email recap to fedora-advisory-board --https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Retrospective_Notes o Jesse suggested checking back in a month to see how we are doing on the things we said we said we wanted to change --email is fine; telephone not required o Jesse strongly urged people on the call to take the proposals from the recent FAD back to their teams --feedback needed ASAP --will affect many parts of Fedora --https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_Fedora_Development_Cycle_2009#Resulting_Output o John Poelstra encourage attendees to blog about this meeting to give a wider audience an understanding of what the meeting was like and what they thought about it o The Fedora CMS (Zicula) will affect a lot of groups in Fedora --We need a point person to coordinate these efforts for our greatest chance at success --No one has been identified o ADDED AFTER THE FACT by John Poelstra --Anyone is free to tag onto the end of the wiki document to add their own feedback --https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Retrospective_Notes#Additional_Feedback_Outside_of_the_Meeting == Legend == (+) Went well (-) Could have gone better (w) Wish-list--no limits--everyone CAN have a pony == Jon Stanley (jds2001) - fesco == (+) Feature process went well --good contingency plans (-) X item fell through the cracks (-) Meeting minutes creation failed (+) Started using a minute meeting bot (w) Massive QA testing (w) Earlier freezing/branching for critical packages == Eric Christensen (Sparks) - docs == (-) Release notes churn at the last minute --some is legitimately unforeseen, other notes just not timely enough (-) docs.fedoraproject.org page doesn't flow well --languages hard to find (+) Turned out more guides and docs than past releases (+) use of Red Hat guides that were relicensed (w) Zikula CMS --will replace the existing docs.fp.o (w) standardize and focus on release notes and meet more users point == Jarod Wilson (j-rod) - FESCo == (+) Feature process went smoothly--deadlines understood and less confusion (+) No major disagreements within FESCo (-) No major disagreements within FESCo (-) Meeting minutes (-) Collection of public feedback not optimal (need more _constructive_ feedback) (-) Secondary architecture team updates (w) Focused Fedora kernel QA effort--build up community == John J. McDonough (jjmcd) - docs == (+) people were great (+) use of publican went surprisingly well (+) install guide is the best we've ever had (-) integrating milestones better into schedule (-) pushing to docs.fedoraproject.org is an ugly process --Too many formats (-) Need more packagers on the docs team (w) More engagement with developers/determining who to talk to (w) PackageKit get fixed --problems finding application to click on (w) Problems with wireless on NetworkManager == Edward Kirk (tk009) - BugZappers == (+) Communication really good about what was going on between all the teams and across the project (+) More people are joining the project and contributing (-) Blocker bugs were not handled very well (-) Problems at the end with Anaconda --identifying blocker bugs before the last minute (w) A more solid, stable release that is technically better than anything else out there == James Laska (jlaska) - QA == (+) 20 test days--way more than F10 (+) Documentation around test days and how to create live images, etc. (+) Test results reporting (+) Common F11 Bugs --multiple teams were invested in success (+) Community testing (-) No specific test days for Sound (-) No concept of capacity (-) Clarify hand off procedures between Release Engineering & QA for RC --"who has the ball?" (-) Transparency around release readiness decision and whether to slip --public discussion & publish minutes (-) Automation of testing (-) No metrics around health of QA community (w) Micro-communities around each of the features --specific dashboard --blocker bug tracking (w) Community test case management system == Adam Williamson (adamw) - QA/BugZappers == (-) reading several reviews that Fedora 11 is un-installable (-) unclear how to get in late release notes additions in a cooperative way (+) Test Days were fantastic (+) BugZappers and QA wiki spaces were substantially revised (w) A massive testing lab (w) Improving kernel triage for future releases == Bruno Wolff - Games Spin == (+) Help from Jeremy Katz to enhance livecd-tools for larger games iso size (+) Rawhide updates come quickly from the mirrors and Koji (+) test days were helpful and gave focus to people (+) New Spin process documentation got developed --specific test instructions are now available (-) Broken installer and video got in the way of testing --painful when rawhide was broken (-) We don't have a process for maintaining recurring spins (w) Less broken stuff (w) Spins process document finished (w) Lots of test days (w) More with live USB with persistent storage == Jack Aboutboul & Steven Moix - Marketing == (+) Lots of progress restructuring the marketing team (+) Release schedule helped cross team coordination (-) Need to identify task inter dependencies and add them to the schedule (-) Better capture things that get accomplished (+) Inter group communication with Art, Translation, etc. (w) Host mini-meetings with different teams throughout the release cycle (+) Continuous content production --building up and telling stories (w) Fedora Magazine (+) Tracking press reports in different languages (w) Finding a better way to do metrics to identify how far our reach is and understand audience (w) More marketing to younger audiences and greater public awareness == Ricky Zhou - Websites== (+) two or three people helping consistently with Web team tasks (-) Late changes from marketing and docs team which had minor impact (w) Add a review period so that issues can be identified and corrected before release == Mairin Duffy - Design == (-) Need to see feedback to the Design list as opposed to sprung on blogs (w) Six more designers on the team! (w) pink pony!!!!11!! == Jesse Keating - Release Engineering == (+) Better involvement with QA and Triage --improved confidence in QA beating on the trees (+) Did a better job of managing the blocker lists (+) Good help from others verifying blocker bugs (+) Test Days ... more feature owners are requesting targeted testing (+) No last minute compose-related surprises (-) Better communication around what testing needs to be done --improve capture of testing outside of the matrix (mailing lists) (-) Clearer guidelines around code changes (+) FAD Proposals - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_Fedora_Development_Cycle_2009#Resulting_Output (w) earlier review blocker bugs --maybe weekly after we branch (w) automated QA which provides automatic feedback == J?hann B. Gu?mundsson - QA Team== (w) Taking test days to the next level --improved advertisement --re-use live images for additional testing (w) coordinate with upstream testing (w) litmus testing system added to Fedora --litmus is coded to be quite mozilla-specific (according to jlaska) (w) Use of Fedora QA Trac system to track request from maintainers (w) Host test day without requiring maintainer present (-) lack consensus amongst maintainers if a reporter is supposed to report to our bugzilla or upstream one (w) Daily scheduled testing on components. == Todd Zullinger -- Websites Team == (+) more complete translations than we've had before (+) Infrastructure team syncing release content earlier than past releases (w) relocate everyone to a tropical island where we can all work together in person == Mike McGrath - Infrastructure == (+) team is growing (-) multiple release slips hindered work in infrastructure due to freezes --one big slip would be nicer (w) Feature freezes in earlier (w) Contingency plans for core distro functionality (w) Look for key ways that Infrastructure can enable success of QA Team == Paul Frields == (+) Well coordinated for the releases including slip announcements (+) Ambassadors did a great job behind the scenes --media production --release parties (-) Feedback mechanisms are unclear and point to too many different places --documentation and marketing materials --could anaconda bug reporting mechanism be helped by design team? (w) Marketing, Docs, Website, Design team work on coordinated approach to the Zicula (CMS) --organized and well coordinated fashion (w) More forceful in not allowing late/invasive changes to rawhide and putting them off to next release From draktrax at mchsi.com Tue Jun 16 22:00:53 2009 From: draktrax at mchsi.com (draktrax at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:00:53 +0000 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <061620092200.14135.4A3816150004440200003737223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF980E9D9B050E9D0B@mchsi.com> At approx. 5P.M.C on 6-16-09 I tried to download the new distro but, every link gets me: 500 Internal Server Error -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jschilen at kent.edu Tue Jun 16 23:50:59 2009 From: jschilen at kent.edu (SCHILENS, JEREMIAH) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:50:59 -0400 Subject: fedora site downloads not working? June 16 7:50pm est Message-ID: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at fedoraproject.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) Server at download.fedoraproject.org Port 80 From tmz at pobox.com Wed Jun 17 00:22:49 2009 From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:22:49 -0400 Subject: Internal Server Error at download.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <061620092200.14135.4A3816150004440200003737223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF980E9D9B050E9D0B@mchsi.com> References: <061620092200.14135.4A3816150004440200003737223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF980E9D9B050E9D0B@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20090617002249.GK11507@inocybe.localdomain> draktrax at mchsi.com wrote: > At approx. 5P.M.C on 6-16-09 I tried to download the new distro but, > every link gets me: 500 Internal Server Error Thank you very much for reporting this. The problem should be fixed now. -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head. -- Sally Kempton -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 542 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tmz at pobox.com Wed Jun 17 00:23:47 2009 From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:23:47 -0400 Subject: fedora site downloads not working? June 16 7:50pm est In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090617002347.GL11507@inocybe.localdomain> SCHILENS, JEREMIAH wrote: > Internal Server Error > > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was > unable to complete your request. > > Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at fedoraproject.org > and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you > might have done that may have caused the error. > > More information about this error may be available in the server > error log. Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) Server at > download.fedoraproject.org Port 80 Thank you very much for reporting this. The problem should be fixed now. -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious, but I am, so that's the way it comes out. -- Bill Hicks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do i've any > alternative to change without to change my email when new registration if i > supposed to do later?. Thank you. Hi, the username for your email is creativeneuron. I'm not sure what you're asking about changing, though. You can change your email in FAS, but not your username. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tmz at pobox.com Wed Jun 17 01:59:21 2009 From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:59:21 -0400 Subject: Forget username In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090617015920.GM11507@inocybe.localdomain> Hi Muhammad, Muhammad Syafiq wrote: > I've problem with login to FAS account sytem. I forgot my username. > Do i've any alternative to change without to change my email when > new registration if i supposed to do later?. Thank you. I believe your username is creativeneuron. -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The man who is a pessimist before forty-eight knows too much; the man who is an optimist after forty-eight knows too little. -- Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 542 bytes Desc: not available URL: From a.brahmachari at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 03:21:48 2009 From: a.brahmachari at gmail.com (Anirban Brahmachari) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:51:48 +0530 Subject: Download verification page on the fedoraproject Wiki needs to be updated Message-ID: <4A38614C.2020702@gmail.com> As of 17th June 2009 0848 hrs IST, the page "http://fedoraproject.org/en/verify" had some outdated information. I believe that this was because of the changing of signing keys that happened a few months back. Parts of the following section seems outdated to me : _________________________________________ The CHECKSUM file should have a good signature from one of the following keys: * |D22E77F2| - Fedora 11 * |4EBFC273| - Fedora 10 * |0B86274E| - Fedora 10 pre-releases * |4F2A6FD2| - Fedora 9 and earlier * |30C9ECF8| - Fedora 9 and earlier pre-releases ______________________________________________ It should be updated with data from the page "http://fedoraproject.org/en/keys". Please do take a look. It can confuse beginners. --- Anirban. From tmz at pobox.com Wed Jun 17 04:10:18 2009 From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:10:18 -0400 Subject: Download verification page on the fedoraproject Wiki needs to be updated In-Reply-To: <4A38614C.2020702@gmail.com> References: <4A38614C.2020702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090617041017.GO11507@inocybe.localdomain> Hi Anirban, Anirban Brahmachari wrote: > As of 17th June 2009 0848 hrs IST, the page > "http://fedoraproject.org/en/verify" had some outdated information. > I believe that this was because of the changing of signing keys that > happened a few months back. > Parts of the following section seems outdated to me : > _________________________________________ > > The CHECKSUM file should have a good signature from one of the > following keys: > > * |D22E77F2| - Fedora 11 > * |4EBFC273| - Fedora 10 > * |0B86274E| - Fedora 10 pre-releases > * |4F2A6FD2| - Fedora 9 and earlier > * |30C9ECF8| - Fedora 9 and earlier pre-releases > > ______________________________________________ > > It should be updated with data from the page > "http://fedoraproject.org/en/keys". > > Please do take a look. It can confuse beginners. Can you be more specific about what you think is outdated? I believe that the information there is correct, but if it's not, I'd be happy to help get it fixed. -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds... -- Samuel Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Darren VanBuren onekopaka at gmail.com ==================== http://oks.tumblr.com/ On Jun 17, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2009-06-17 05:49:43 PM, Ricky Zhou wrote: >> Mel sent out a whenisgood link recently, and based on the results >> from >> this, 1:00 PM EDT (17:00 UTC) is the best time when the most people >> can make >> it. > I forgot the day, whoops: Friday 2009-06-19 at 17:00 UTC. > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFKOWYpBkMMSWb0YpYRAqRMAJ44ZnPLBii+HmHIcmJTF/1IINJriwCgsYdS crd4zvJqomZOYITxfQu1BGg= =o95o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tmz at pobox.com Wed Jun 17 23:59:45 2009 From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:59:45 -0400 Subject: Download verification page on the fedoraproject Wiki needs to be updated In-Reply-To: <4A3915F3.70302@gmail.com> References: <4A38614C.2020702@gmail.com> <20090617041017.GO11507@inocybe.localdomain> <4A3915F3.70302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090617235945.GP11507@inocybe.localdomain> Hi Anirban, Anirban Brahmachari wrote: > Take a close look at the 32 bit signature value on the page http:// > fedoraproject.org/en/verify and compare them with those on http:// > fedoraproject.org/en/keys . See the values marked in bold, red and > underlined below. Bold, red, and underlined don't show so well for me. I use mutt in a terminal for my mail. I'm a text only type of guy. ;) > I believe they should match up. Actually, they shouldn't. Allow me to explain why I believe that... > On http://fedoraproject.org/en/verify : > "4F2A6FD2 - Fedora 9 and earlier" > > On http://fedoraproject.org/en/keys : > """ > > RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-8-and-9-primary > > pub 1024D/6DF2196F 2008-08-27 > Key fingerprint = 4FFF 1F04 010D EDCA E203 591D 62AE C3DC 6DF2 196F > uid Fedora (8 and 9) > sub 4096g/9E198F60 2008-08-27 > > ? Download: Fedora Project > ? Download: keys.gnupg.net > > RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test-8-and-9-primary > > pub 1024D/DF9B0AE9 2008-08-27 > Key fingerprint = C0E7 128E 9072 96CA AE31 78A2 8E69 3B4D DF9B 0AE9 > uid Fedora (8 and 9 testing) > sub 4096g/80E34F98 2008-08-27 > > ? Download: Fedora Project > ? Download: keys.gnupg.net > > """ > > See the slight difference ? I do. The reason for this is that the original key used to sign Fedora 9 and earlier releases was exposed during an infrastructure intrusion in August of 2008?. New keys were generated and used to resign all previous Fedora 8 and 9 packages. Those keys are 6DF2196F and DF9B0AE9. However, the SHA1SUM files for these releases were not resigned for various reasons. So the information on fp.o/verify is still correct for verifying Fedora 9 and earlier release .iso files. ? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.html > The other values on these 2 pages match up properly. I understand > that it is for an older release of the OS and does not matter much > but then, I once had to downgrade from Fedora 10 to Fedora 9 because > the new version would lock up on boot on some of the machines that I > manage. I think it does matter for any supported release, so thanks for reporting it. If the information was incorrect we'd want to fix it. Fortunately, in just a few weeks Fedora 9 will reach the end of its life and the confusing key information can be removed from fp.o/verify and the keys details moved to the 'obsolete' section on fp.o/keys. > Thank you for the enthusiasm and fast response. I hope that I won't > be labelled as a nitpicker ;-) You say that as if being a nitpicker is a bad thing. :) When it comes to important details like GPG keys and .iso verification, it's quite good to be picky. Please don't hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above. As much as I'd like to claim otherwise, I am still mistaken on occasion. ;) -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Entropy just isn't what it used to be. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, the length of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Brainstorms is rapidly growing... pop ideas and such there if you have them, and I'll do my best to tackle it with a shovel before tomorrow's meeting and put things into some coherent readable order. --Mel From ian at ianweller.org Thu Jun 18 23:42:55 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:42:55 -0500 Subject: Websites Meeting - 17:00 UTC in #fedora-websites In-Reply-To: <4A3A4271.8020901@redhat.com> References: <20090617214943.GA16197@alpha.rzhou.org> <4A3A4271.8020901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090618234255.GH2766@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 09:34:41AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > I'm going to be pinging people listed on > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks to see if we can't get that > updated before tomorrow's meeting. > So I got an email from you regarding the MediaWiki 302 task. 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That'd be a big gain. 17:07 < hiemanshu> ricky, i would rename that as Noob proof 17:08 < hiemanshu> We have people asking us stuff in #fedora that can be found on the site 17:08 < ricky> Ah 17:08 < hiemanshu> for example people asked for links for x86_64 17:08 < ricky> Having join info at fp.o would be nice also because it would be translated. 17:09 < ricky> Ah, x86_64 downloads are another issue we'll have to think on for F12 :-/ 17:09 < markg85> ricky, isn't the only thing missing on j.fp.o a clear description of what those category's mean? 17:09 < mizmo> this is really hard to do without understanding what exactly fedora is meant to be 17:09 * mchua agrees with n00bproof join.fp.o, but isn't sure exactly what that means 17:09 * giarc shows up late 17:09 < ricky> mizmo: Sorry, which part were you referring to? 17:10 < mizmo> ricky: are we a distro for developers or are we a 'consumer desktop' distro 17:10 < ricky> I think n00bproof is too strong a term, even. I can see how a page like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join could be confusing to anybody. 17:10 < mizmo> ricky: the difference between those two is a difference of a million miles in the approach to take for fpo 17:11 < hiemanshu> ricky, we should have explain as though you were teaching a 8 year old 17:11 < ricky> hiemanshu: Based on what you've seen in #fedora - what kind of person do you think wants x86_64 downloads? 17:11 < hiemanshu> ricky, people who just want to try those 17:11 < hiemanshu> The thing is the links are not on the get-fedora page, which should have been there 17:12 < mchua> hrm. 17:12 < hiemanshu> you need to click another button and people ignore that and waste more thing getting that question answered 17:12 < hiemanshu> it should be made obvious to people 17:12 < mizmo> hiemanshu: what kind of people are these? these are technical people no? 17:12 < ricky> Can we profile each specific type of user into more categories than just "developer vs. consumer" ? 17:12 < mchua> so, I'm not sure if this would be a useful metric at all, but https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Brainstorms#j.fp.o_experience was one thing I've been thinking of. 17:12 < hiemanshu> mizmo, non technical 17:12 < mchua> "one possible effectiveness metric for our website might be the number of contributions each release gets from new contributors (i.e. contributors whose first contributions were in that release) - in other words, "does join.fp.o work"?" 17:12 < mizmo> hiemanshu: you're telling me a non-technical person insisted on x86_64? 17:13 < hiemanshu> mizmo, yes 17:13 < mizmo> hiemanshu: if i mentioned the word 'x86_64' to my mom, she would be like, 'huh?' 17:13 < mizmo> hiemanshu: so on the scale of my mom <=> linus torvalds, what do you mean by "non-technical"? because i think we have very different definitions 17:13 < hiemanshu> mizmo, people how have some idea or heard from friends want 64 bit OS just because they have a 64 bit proc 17:13 < mizmo> hiemanshu: the very fact the person was talking to you in IRC right away tells me they are at least a little technical 17:14 < mizmo> hiemanshu: this was in IRC, right? 17:14 < hiemanshu> mizmo, non technical means who does not want to try to get this way around 17:14 < hiemanshu> yes 17:14 < mizmo> my mom doesn't know how to use IRC or even what it is 17:14 < mizmo> hiemanshu: can you reword that? im not sure what you were trying to say 17:14 < hiemanshu> there way* 17:14 < ricky> I'm slightly confused at how somebody knows enough to be aware that there is an x86_64 version, but doens't click the "show me all options" link. 17:15 < ricky> Maybe the wording is confusing? Should that link be "show me all options" instead of "show me all options on one page" ? 17:15 < hiemanshu> mizmo, according to me a Non Technical user is one who knows he has a computer and a OS, but does not know what to when he has problems and comes to IRC 17:15 < mizmo> well we could make the show me all options stuff more obvious 17:15 < hiemanshu> ricky, below download link add looking for x86_64, find it here 17:15 < mizmo> hiemanshu: okay that's a very big difference in my definition of a non-technical user, who is someone who has a computer perhaps but who doesn't know how to use IRC and just wants to try out linux 17:16 < mchua> so... wait, hang on a second. before we get into the definition of a nontechnical user looking for x86_64 stuff, maybe we should figure out what improvements we want from the website this release. 17:16 < ricky> hiemanshu: That would very possibly be confusing to somebody that doesn't know whether they need x86_64 or not though 17:16 < mchua> hiemanshu, it sounds like you want to make sure folks looking for 64-bit stuff can find it. 17:16 < markg85> Just a crazy idea but what if the download page in done in a question like way? 17:16 < hiemanshu> Make every thing _obvious_ so we dont have people asking us stuff 17:16 < markg85> for example: 17:16 < giarc> if x86_64 is too hard for some users to find, couldn't we just add a lozenge like we have for KDE etc? 17:16 < mizmo> mchua: i think the goal should be, for get.fpo, keep the newb-focused stuff the same, but make the 'more options' link way more obvious 17:16 < markg85> Do you have more than 3GB of memory? (x64) 17:17 < mizmo> giarc: if we added a lozenge for everything people have asked for a lozenge for, the lozenge list would be longer than richard stallman's beard 17:17 < markg85> then download that x64 17:17 < mizmo> markg85: i dont even know how much ram is in my laptop 17:17 < mchua> it's hard to figure out what words like "obvious" and "intuitive" and "user friendly" mean. 17:17 < markg85> mizmo, ^_^ 17:17 < ricky> giarc: That's another possibility, but it'd quickly get complicated, because then we'll have to account for KDE x86_64 live media too 17:18 < hiemanshu> markg85, i586 with PAE supports 64GB ram 17:18 < mizmo> mchua: okay make the more options link more prominent and eye catching, is that better than 'obvious' ? o_O 17:18 < hiemanshu> RAM* 17:18 < mizmo> hehe 17:18 < giarc> mizmo, heh, sure...but we *can* continue to say no to all the other requests 17:18 < ricky> Then there will be two links that match somebody that wants the KCD x86_64 live media. 17:18 < markg85> hiemanshu, ... true 17:18 < mchua> mizmo: way better. :) 17:18 < mizmo> giarc: what makes x86_64 more important than all the others? 17:18 < giarc> ricky, had not thought of that 17:18 < giarc> mizmo, nothing, just that seems to be a constant complaint 17:18 < mchua> mizmo: making it prominent and eye catching so that people who want the non-default dl option will be able to find it, I reckon? 17:19 < mizmo> giarc: the others are constant as well :) 17:19 < mizmo> mchua: yep 17:19 * markg85 would still like to point to this option: http://fedora.mageprojects.com/ 17:19 < hiemanshu> My aim to decrease people asking the same stuff on #fedora by making it Obvious 17:19 < mchua> markg85 also had a cool idea with the questions-based page, which I'm guessing has a similar motivation... letting people who want (or need, but don't know that they want) the non-default option land at the right place. 17:19 * giarc needs to run for 5 mins ( boss bellowing for me ) 17:19 < mizmo> markg85: huh? you're saying we shold go from having 2 links where people complain about not having others, to having one link? and how does that help exactly? 17:19 < hiemanshu> and add a documentation link before download actually starts 17:20 < mchua> hiemanshu so, reducing repetitive questions on #fedora. which you see the x86_64 thing crop up on a lot? 17:20 < mizmo> i think it's okay to have a questions => link for the non-default download page, but not for the front download page 17:20 < ricky> mchua: One general problem we've had with websites is that we don't have a clear decision making process. That's one other area I'd like to improve. 17:20 < mchua> ricky: I'm starting to understand what you mean by that. :) 17:20 < hiemanshu> mchua, not only those, those are once in a while, but make them so obvious that an 8 year old can download it 17:20 < mizmo> hiemanshu: we have documentation links before the download starts. see the grey 'resources' boxes next to each link? 17:21 * mchua frantically trying to summarize things people want to work on 17:21 < mizmo> we provide the install guide, release notes, and a link to the full docs site 17:21 < hiemanshu> mizmo, i mean people to get-fedora page and start downloading and overlook those resources 17:21 < ricky> mchua: It's tough, because on one hand, we don't want any suggestion to instantly go live, and on the other hand, we don't want suggested changes to completely fall to the side. 17:21 < mizmo> hiemanshu: that is on the get-fedora page. 17:21 < markg85> mizmo, all i'm saying is that it would be a nice idea to have the most common options appear at the download page. If that's like my idea on that link or just 2 seperate links... both will do fine i think 17:21 < markg85> separate 17:22 < hiemanshu> mizmo, change them a little so that people will first click a link where it make it _obvious_ then another link to start download 17:23 < mizmo> hiemanshu: that doesn't make sense to me, though, because you said that people were complaining about having to click another link to get to x86_64. but to me, it sounds like you are suggesting forcing everyone to click another link to get links to documentation? 17:23 < mizmo> i guess i'm simply just not following 17:23 < hiemanshu> mizmo, you have got me wrong 17:23 < markg85> another think i would like a lot is just by looking at the user-agent of the user visiting the download page then select a default download architecture based on that 17:23 < mizmo> it sounds like you are suggesting: get-fedora => documentation links => download link 17:23 < mchua> okay, uh... hang on. I want to see if I'm hearing everyone correctly here. 17:23 < mchua> mizmo wants to help people who want the non-default dl option find the non-default dl-option by making it more prominent and eye-catching. 17:23 < markg85> the user agent tells the architecture so why not use that valuable info 17:23 < mchua> markg85 wants to help people who want (or need, but don't know that they want) the non-default option land at the right place. 17:23 < mchua> hiemanshu wants to reduce repetitive questions on #fedora (example: x86_64) by making resources that 8-year-olds could use. 17:23 < hiemanshu> get-fedora =>Docs link =>15 sec delay to download 17:24 < mizmo> markg85: how do you know the user is downloading the image for the same computer they have the browser open on? 17:24 < mchua> ricky wants to have a clear decision making process on the websites team that balances ease-of-experimentation with moderation to make sure changes are good ones. 17:24 < mizmo> markg85: in many situations someone is trying to download a linux image for a machine that is broken. 17:24 < mchua> and I'm trying to figure out what the hell is going on. :) and raise the number of new contributors in this release through improving the website. 17:24 < ricky> I'm kind of against going by the user agent. That can cause major confusion if I go to the library to download Fedora, for example 17:24 < markg85> mizmo, well the same can be asked for the situation as it currently stands. you just don't know 17:25 < mizmo> markg85: right which is why it's better to have the user select than auto select it for them and get it wrong. 17:25 * mchua wonders if we agree on the purpose and audience of the design details we're debating about... 17:25 < hiemanshu> mizmo, where there is a download now button add another button download x86_64 17:25 < mizmo> markg85: if the page changes based on the machine you're on, then it becomes more difficult for folks like hiemanshu to help people because they may not even be looking at the same page anymore 17:25 < mizmo> mchua: i think we really need to start there 17:25 < hiemanshu> and below that why x86_64 17:26 < markg85> mizmo, true 17:26 < mizmo> i do not want to add more buttons to the main get fedora page. 17:26 < mizmo> there are enough as it is. 17:26 < mizmo> we worked really hard to simplify it down to where it's at now. 17:26 < mizmo> i think the problem with get fedora 17:26 < mizmo> is that it's difficult for more technical users to use. 17:26 < ricky> If the x86_64 link on get-fedora is as prominent as the 32 bit one, you will almost definitely get new questions in #fedora asking whether people need 32 bit or 64 bit. 17:26 < ricky> I've seen that myself back when get-fedora was http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all 17:26 < mizmo> so i think our goal for f12 should be to address the 'view more options' so that it's easier to find for those users. 17:26 < hiemanshu> ricky, that why i said a link below to a page why x64 17:27 < markg85> mizmo, my issue with getting f11 x64 was that it's currently guesswork to even find it 17:27 < mchua> uh... folks, before we start talking about specific implementation ideas, can we take a step back and breathe a little and figure out where everyone is coming from? 17:27 < mizmo> markg85: exactly. so we shold make the full page of 'other options' easier for you to find 17:27 < ricky> hiemanshu: Nobody ever clicks those links. If anybody bothered to click the install guide linnk first, all their questions would be answered. 17:27 < mchua> I'm feeling a bit like I'm watching ships pass each other in the night right now... 17:27 < mizmo> markg85: eg we could have a button that says, 'View more options (x86_64, ppc, KDE, and more)' 17:27 * giarc is back, ( june birthdays here at work... ) 17:28 < mchua> hey, giarc. discussion is a bit scattered at the moment. I'm trying to keep up with all the threads. :) 17:28 < hiemanshu> ricky, yeah that could be one thing, people just dont want to read 17:28 < ricky> mizmo: Ooh, that's a good idea. 17:28 < markg85> mizmo, that's yet another possible idea 17:28 < mizmo> ricky: yeh we could do them in fine print 17:28 < ricky> Yeah. 17:28 < mizmo> ricky: so people looking for the keyword 'x86_64' would skim and it would jump out at them 17:29 < ricky> As it is, I'm not crazy about grouping KDE and PPC together :-( 17:29 < mizmo> ricky: then we avoid having a matrix of the combinatorial options on the front page, but at tthe same time the keywords the technical users are working for are there 17:29 < giarc> mizmo, sort of like a tag cloud? 17:29 < ricky> Yes, that's good. 17:29 < hiemanshu> Yes thats better 17:29 < mizmo> giarc: sort of. i wouldn't do the different font sizes the way a tag cloud is though. 17:29 < mizmo> giarc: they should be consistent 17:29 < markg85> a reason why people don't look at the install guide (didn't look at it myself so just guessing here) is that there is so much text in it that it scares people away 17:29 < ricky> I agree with markg85 17:29 < giarc> mizmo, right, ok 17:29 < mizmo> people don't want to read text on get.fpo. they want to get f. :) 17:29 < hiemanshu> markg85, +1 17:29 < mizmo> any solution that involves users reading more text = FAIL 17:30 < hiemanshu> people hate to READ 17:30 < ricky> Here's a sad fact: 17:30 < markg85> i personally always move away from pages that have way to much text :P 17:30 < ricky> The table of contents of our install guide: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f11/en-US/html/ is about as long as the entire openSUSE Live CD install guide: http://en.opensuse.org/Installation/11.1_Live_CD 17:30 < markg85> specially if they start with a bunch of notices at the top 17:30 < mizmo> yet people keep propposing we add more text ot the screen :) 17:30 < ricky> And their install guide is filled with screenshots too. 17:30 < ricky> I want an install guide like that :-) 17:30 < mizmo> ricky: that's insane 17:30 < ricky> (And here's their DVD install guide: http://en.opensuse.org/Installation/11.1_DVD_Install) 17:30 < hiemanshu> ricky, i could try that 17:31 < ricky> To anybody interested on working on something like that: Please make sure to talk to the docs team first 17:31 < ricky> I wouldn't want to start any documentation projects without letting them know and hearing their thoughts on it first. 17:31 < hiemanshu> ricky, i ll do this part, i ll write the install Docs with Screens 17:31 < giarc> ricky, wow, that is striking 17:32 < mizmo> the docs team is planning a new system for displaying the docs 17:32 < markg85> ricky, well.. you can make all the screenshots prior to making the documentation..(or not?) 17:32 < hiemanshu> markg85, you can 17:32 < markg85> hiemanshu, if i install fedora i might just do that :D 17:32 < ricky> markg85: Making the screenshots shouldn't be an issue, the main thing would be communicating to the docs team about this 17:32 < hiemanshu> markg85, we can take this up together. what say? 17:33 < markg85> hiemanshu, ask me again after my exams in just over one week 17:33 < mizmo> okay so, so far our goals for f12 are: 17:33 < mizmo> - make get.fpo better for technical users 17:33 < ricky> mizmo: Do you know if they're looking at changing the format of the docs, or just the infrastructure for the docs site? 17:33 < mizmo> - makes docs.fpo better 17:33 < mizmo> ricky: not sure :( i would imagine both 17:33 < ricky> Hopefully :-) 17:34 < mizmo> do we have any other goals for f12 17:34 < mizmo> i have one :) 17:34 < mizmo> - improve www.fpo. it's a bit sparse right now. we could have a bit more information on what fedora is and why you'd want to use it. a section with profiles of real fedora users with picutres 17:34 < markg85> mizmo, just wondering.. are there plans for a new decoration theme in fedora 12? 17:35 -!- mchua_ [n=mchua at nat/redhat/x-ffcdfe22a665039d] has joined #fedora-websites 17:35 < ricky> - Get a decision-making process that we can stick to :-) 17:35 < hiemanshu> mizmo, a user gallery 17:35 < mizmo> markg85: what do you mean by decoration theme? 17:35 < markg85> mizmo, a nodoka replacement? 17:35 < mizmo> hiemanshu: yeh exactly! a gallery of real fedora users, where you can learn how fedora changed their life kind of thing 17:35 * mchua_ wonders if she got disconnected, and sheepishly asks for another backlog. 17:35 < mizmo> markg85: not afaik 17:35 * mchua_ vows to get a proxy this weekend. 17:35 < ricky> mchua_: http://ricky.fedorapeople.org/2009-06-19.log 17:35 < giarc> ricky, +1 17:36 < mchua_> Thanks again, ricky. 17:36 -!- mchua [n=mchua at host232.155.212.137.conversent.net] has quit Nick collision from services. 17:36 -!- mchua_ is now known as mchua 17:36 < mizmo> okay so we have 4 goals so far 17:36 < markg85> mizmo, oke. i really would like to see something else other then that blue stuff 17:36 < mizmo> 1) get.fpo 17:36 < mizmo> 2) www.fpo 17:36 < mizmo> 3) docs.fpo 17:36 < mizmo> 4) decision process 17:36 < hiemanshu> mizmo, something like where people can add their own images and say something 17:36 < ricky> mizmo: Also join.fp.o :-) 17:36 < hiemanshu> mizmo, 5) User Gallery 17:36 < mizmo> markg85: okay but right now we're having a websites meeting. i suggest bringing that up on the design team list 17:37 < ricky> One thing I'd like everybody to keep in mind is that everything we do has to be translatable. 17:37 < markg85> mizmo, ^_^ sorry, for me websites is designing as well 17:37 < ricky> I know it can feel limiting at times, but I really don't want to move back to relying on things that are 100% English-only. 17:38 < hiemanshu> ricky, is there a Geo IP redirector? 17:38 < mizmo> ricky: has anything we've proposed so far been problematic for translation? 17:38 < mizmo> ricky: or is just the timing so we can get translations out a concern? 17:39 < ricky> mizmo: I haven't sen anything yet other than RSS feeds. 17:39 < mizmo> k 17:39 < mchua> current list o' goal-ness: get.fpo, www.fpo, docs.fpo, decision process, user gallery, join.fpo, translation. 17:39 < ricky> News is a tough one. I'd love to have news on the site, but I wouldn't want english-only news front and center on the Chinese home page. 17:39 * markg85 note to self: install fedora 11 in dutch and see how much is really dutch 17:39 < mizmo> any other ideas? or should we move on to prioritization? 17:40 < hiemanshu> mizmo, Geo IP redirector 17:40 < mchua> +1 prioritization 17:40 < ricky> hiemanshu: That's probably an infrastructure team thing :-) 17:40 < hiemanshu> thats with the websites right? must be wrong :P 17:40 < ricky> We try to keep the pages totally static so that it's a breeze on release day though. 17:41 < mizmo> i think maybe get.fpo should be a top priority cuz we get so many complaints 17:41 < ricky> mizmo: +1 to moving on prioritization 17:41 < hiemanshu> ricky, auto redirect to the local language, is it there or needs to be implemented? 17:41 < ricky> 17:41:06 < mizmo> i think maybe get.fpo should be a top priority cuz we get so many complaints 17:41 < mizmo> decision process too 17:41 < ricky> hiemanshu: That's implemented in that if you set your language priorities in your browser, you'll see the right one automatically. 17:41 < mchua> mizmo: maybe we should have everyone reorder the list the way they think it should be prioritised 17:41 < mchua> and see where we end up 17:42 < hiemanshu> mizmo, make the goals list and we know how to prioritize them 17:42 < mchua> hiemanshu: get.fpo 17:42 < mchua> www.fpo 17:42 < mchua> docs.fpo 17:42 < mchua> decision process 17:42 < mchua> user gallery 17:42 < mchua> join.fpo 17:43 < ricky> Here's my tohught: get.fpo, decision process, docs.fpo, join.fpo, www.fpo, user gallery (and translation is something that happens throughout) 17:43 < mchua> translation 17:43 < ricky> **thought 17:43 < mchua> (that was a list, not my ordering) 17:43 < mizmo> ricky: i'd bump www a bit higher just because of its prominence 17:43 < mizmo> maybe swap docs and www 17:43 < mchua> my ordering is join.fpo 17:43 < mchua> decision process 17:43 < mchua> get.fpo 17:43 < mchua> docs.fpo 17:43 < mchua> www.fpo 17:43 < mchua> user gallery 17:43 < mchua> translation 17:43 < ricky> mizmo: I'm trying to think in terms of "what does a user want to do that's currently hard for them to do" 17:44 < hiemanshu> get.fpo, decision process, www.fpo, docs.fpo, join.fpo, user gallery 17:44 < mchua> markg85, thoughts? 17:44 < markg85> my order: get.fpo www.fpo join.fpo user gallery decision process 17:44 < markg85> translation 17:44 < mchua> I think we have a clear front-runner with get.fpo. 17:44 < ricky> I see "get documentation/help" as a more important task than "find out what Fedora is" for now, although maybe I can be convinced otherwise :-) 17:45 < mchua> does anyone other than me think something is more important than get.fpo in terms of work-on priority? 17:45 < mchua> I'm *totally* willing to be convinced of this. 17:45 * giarc needs to run, can some one post a log of the meeting so I can catch up? 17:45 < ricky> giarc: Will do, thanks for coming! 17:45 < markg85> and why. get and www are identical to me. join.fpo is slightly more annoying 17:45 < giarc> thanks ricky 17:45 < ricky> mizmo: www is talking about the main page more, while get is specifically about the get-fedora page 17:46 < ricky> join.fp.o and docs.fp.o are both thing that span over into a bunch of other groups in the Fedora Project. 17:46 < hiemanshu> ricky, my order is in what users actually do 17:46 < mizmo> ricky: if the front page of fpo isn't appealing, you wont have people needing to get help with it 17:47 < mizmo> :) 17:47 < hiemanshu> mizmo, i dont think most of the people would even join, you might get people to docs and not join 17:47 < ricky> I guess, but I don't really see our front page as the way that most people find out what Fedora is right now (although that could be seen as a problem that we need to fix) 17:47 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Who at fedora/sonarguy] has joined #fedora-websites 17:47 * mchua notes that ultimately, people will vote with their feet, so the stuff that happens is the stuff individuals are going to want to work on themselves 17:47 * mchua looks back at votes 17:47 < ricky> Rather, I think most people get directed to fp.o through things like news sites, or other things which is where they first find out exactly what Fedoar is. 17:48 < ricky> **Fedora 17:48 < markg85> people please know the first impressions rule 17:48 < markg85> they are what makes a person join or leave 17:49 < mizmo> ricky: it is the 'official' definition of what fedora is though (or at least it should be) because we can't control what news media outlets explain us as (and sometimes they get it quite wrong) 17:49 < markg85> right now (just being fair) my first impressions with both the fedora site and distribution are far from good and i'm in this world for a few years 17:49 < ricky> True. I don't think I'm fully clear on exactly what we're trying to do with the front page 17:49 < mchua> I agree with markg85; first impressions are important. 17:49 < markg85> fedora runs good one just ONE pc here (and there are roughly 6) 17:49 < hiemanshu> To tell the truth fp.o just isnt attractive 17:49 < mchua> So, I tallied up all our priority lists. 17:49 < mchua> get.fpo is the front-runner. decision process is not far behind. www.fpo, docs.fpo, and join.fpo seem more or less on par... not many people incredibly excited about translation or user gallery, but that could be a small-team-takes-it-on thing. 17:50 < markg85> so making that very abstract it means that fedora runs as intended on 1 out of every 7 pc's!! that's not good at all 17:50 < mchua> all these are separate pieces - separate pieces that interact, but separate pieces. 17:50 < mizmo> ricky: well right now the front page is kind of bare. visiting it, you don't really get an idea of why you would want to use fedora or what it can do for you 17:50 < ricky> markg85: That is probably a development issue and maybe not websites though. 17:50 < mizmo> ricky: i'd like it to be more like the fedora community tour page 17:50 < ricky> I'd love to have something like that. 17:51 < mizmo> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/pages/tour/ 17:51 < mchua> question: does anybody want to run point on the fp.o page? 17:51 < markg85> ricky, i know but that issue ends up by a person going to the fedora website 17:51 < mizmo> we break it down and explain what YOU can do with it 17:51 < markg85> and that's where they find... not what they are looking for: answers 17:51 < ricky> All right, so I'll agree with www being before docs then :-) 17:52 * Cheshirc wanders in 17:52 < ricky> So what's next now that we have some priorities? Should we start discussing each in detail and getting some research into what we need? 17:52 < mchua> my impression of current order: get.fpo is the front-runner. decision process is not far behind. www.fpo, docs.fpo, and then join.fpo in that order. nobody really picking up on translation or user gallery. 17:52 < mizmo> sounds right mchua 17:52 < mchua> well, i think we need to figure out who's going to run point on each thing. 17:52 < markg85> and please all of you look with a objective view at fp.o and tell me what you see 17:52 < mizmo> mchua: well except i think translation is a thread that runs across all of them 17:52 < ricky> mchua: Translation isn't so much of a task on its own, just something to keep in mind throughout. 17:52 < mchua> because right now we have N cooks trying to make N pots of soup. 17:53 < markg85> what i see: a superman packager !!! and a very short description of fedora 17:53 < mchua> ok, then someone should be on point for making sure translation is incorporated into all projects. 17:53 < mchua> else we'll drop translation and then look back at f12 and go *wap* why did we forget? 17:53 < mizmo> ricky: do you have those top 10 tasks for www.fpo handy somewhere? 17:53 < mizmo> i vaguely remember them being on your fedora people site? 17:53 < ricky> Let me find those 17:53 < mchua> the problem i've seen here in the brief time I've been around is that people keep colliding into each others work 17:54 < hiemanshu> mizmo, one immediate thing is to update MediaWiki 17:54 < mchua> http://ricky.fedorapeople.org/fedora-web 17:54 < mchua> mizmo: ^ 17:54 < ricky> Ah, cool. 17:54 < ricky> THanks 17:54 < ricky> hiemanshu: That's kind of a separate issue that will have to be discussed with Infrastructure 17:54 < ricky> But like I told you, it's not very likely unless there is a serious pressing need. 17:54 < markg85> mizmo, could you tell me what you currently like on fp.o? 17:55 < mchua> markg85, hiemanshu, can we hang on a moment until we figure out who's working on what? 17:55 < mizmo> so our get.fpo goal we're prioritized highly today 17:55 < hiemanshu> ricky, following the Fedora rule, latest and greatest 17:55 * ricky certainly likes get-fedora. It's one of the pages that we've put the most work/polish into. 17:55 < mizmo> is #8 on the fedora-web list 17:55 * markg85 waits... 17:55 < mchua> thanks markg85 :) 17:55 < mizmo> we've got #1 on that list done 17:55 < mizmo> #2 is our docs.fpo item from today 17:55 * hiemanshu sits next to markg85 17:55 < mizmo> #3 is the www.fpo item, and #5 is also 17:55 < mizmo> #4 is join .fpo 17:56 < mizmo> #6 - what's happening in fedora - we haven't really identified today so we can drop it in priority 17:56 < mchua> even after looking at the old list, I'd go by the ordering we chose before. It seems more... pertinent to right now. 17:56 < mizmo> #9 fedora bling - we didnt bring that up - but i think it's good too. if we had something like spreadfirefox.com but for fedora 17:56 < mizmo> mchua: i think #8 in the old list needs to be #1 now though 17:56 < hiemanshu> mizmo, fedora shop? 17:57 < ricky> Yeah. 17:57 < mchua> mizmo: yeah, I meant the one we just did in this channel with get.fp.o as #1 17:57 < mizmo> mchua: oh i agree we should stick with the ordering we came up with today 17:57 < mizmo> mchua: sorry i misunderstood ya 17:57 < ricky> hiemanshu: Hehe, that's another thing that has been discussed with fedora marketing, but not much luck :-( I'd love to see the efforts for that start up again 17:57 < mchua> the old list has tonnes of resources though which is great 17:57 < hiemanshu> ricky, i can help push up people 17:58 < ricky> hiemanshu: spevack is one person that I remember heading that up, he can probably get you in touch with whoever has the latest on that. 17:58 < mizmo> i would like to take point on get.fpo 17:58 < mchua> so our ordering from the discussion just now is get.fpo, decision process, www.fpo, docs.fpo, and then join.fpo, translation, and user gallery. 17:58 < hiemanshu> mchua, user gallery one step up please 17:59 < ricky> Decision process is still a tough one that will be a part of everything else :-( 17:59 < mchua> hiemanshu: get.fpo, decision process, www.fpo, docs.fpo, and then join.fpo, user gallery, and translation. though things won't be done unless someone steps up like mizmo just did for get.fp.o. 18:00 < mchua> +1 to mizmo taking point on get.fp.o, btw. :) 18:00 < ricky> Mind if we discuss some of the properties of a good decision making process for a moment? 18:00 < mchua> can we have other people step up to take point on some other stuff first? 18:00 < hiemanshu> mchua, i am a PHP guy and go the user gallery 18:00 < mchua> hiemanshu: you want to take point on the user gallery? 18:00 < hiemanshu> do the* 18:00 < ricky> I'll gladly take docs.fp.o and decision process 18:00 < mizmo> good decision making process != saying yes to every suggestion, because that's like making dinner by dumping out the contents of your fridge into a pot. 18:00 < hiemanshu> mchua, yes 18:01 < markg85> mchua, i'm joist going for www.fp.o and get.fp.o 18:01 < markg85> just* 18:01 < hiemanshu> i ll help markg85 with www.fp.o 18:01 < mchua> sweet. okay, we have mizmo on get.fp.o, hiemanshu on the user gallery, markg85 on www.fp.o and working with mizmo on get.fp.o, ricky on decisionmaking process and docs.fp.o, which is perfect because I wanted to work on join.fp.o. 18:01 < mizmo> id like to take the make www.fpo have a section like the fedora community tour section task but its a subtask of www.fpo 18:01 < markg85> hiemanshu, add your name to it on the wiki plz 18:01 < mchua> nobody is doing translation yet. 18:01 < ricky> Some properties I desire of a decision making process: 18:01 < hiemanshu> markg85, where? 18:02 < ricky> 1) Not a dictatorship :-) 18:02 < markg85> hiemanshu, brainstorms? 18:02 < ricky> 2) Bad ideas (for some definition of bad) get rejected 18:02 < ricky> 3) Good ideas (for some definition of good) don't get sidelined 18:02 * markg85 would like the time now 18:02 * mchua checks list: mizmo on get.fp.o, with markg85's help, hiemanshu on the user gallery, markg85 on www.fp.o with hiemanshu's help, ricky on decisionmaking process and docs.fp.o, mchua on join.fp.o, translation as a "we need to find someone." 18:02 < mizmo> backseat driving is undesirable i think 18:03 < mchua> markg85: it's 2:04pm, or 18:04 UTC if I did math correctly. 18:03 < ricky> The definitions of good and bad will be deeply tied into what the goal and the target audience of the website is. 18:03 < mchua> 2:04 for me in Boston, EST. 18:03 * markg85 is not pointing to the real time :P 18:03 * mchua is confused 18:03 < hiemanshu> 23:34 here 18:03 * markg85 means the time to propose something here 18:03 < mizmo> ricky: which we still haven't really solidifed on :( 18:03 < ricky> markg85: Propose away. 18:04 < markg85> oke 18:04 < ricky> mizmo: Yeah. It's important that we do so that we have a basis for saying yes and no to things instead of bickering endlessly :-/ 18:04 < markg85> mizmo, ricky mchua hiemanshu : i would like you all to go to fp.o and get.fp.o and write down what you really like. because the rest is what has to change or go 18:05 * hiemanshu will be back in 10 mins 18:05 < markg85> personally i like nothing on www.fp.o and just a few things in get.fp.o 18:05 < ricky> That's kind of subjective. 18:05 < ricky> I'd rather have the purpose/audience in mind for the website before doing something like ths. 18:05 < mchua> markg85: +1 - I'll do it, can you shoot out an email to the list reminding people? some folks couldn't make this meeting but would probably chime in. 18:05 < markg85> ricky, it is but if we combine all our opinions ^_^ 18:05 < mizmo> i dont think thats useful if we dont know who our audience is 18:05 < mchua> ricky: anything we do would be subjective; I don't think it's going to get us everything, but I think it's a good starting point. 18:06 < mizmo> we should rather, for each target audience user type, summarize what that type of user would like vs wouldn't like about the site 18:06 < ricky> I'd rather phrase the like/dislike thing as: X user in our target audience will have a hard time doing Y task in our website's purpose. 18:06 < mizmo> if www.fpo was targeted for me, it would be mostly blank 18:06 < ricky> Instead of "X is ugly, I don't like it" 18:06 < mchua> we're also users. we're not the only users, and we're a special weird involved type of user, but we're users, and this will also help us get our assumptions on the table. 18:06 < hiemanshu> mizmo, as i said, make it so anyone who reads likes it 18:06 < mizmo> the user classifications we could target 18:06 < ricky> I think that is totally impossible :-) 18:07 < mchua> besides, if markg85 is running with this, then that's his prerogative. :) 18:07 < mizmo> (1) i've never used linux before. i don't know what IRC is. i heard i should try it because it would make bill gates cry. 18:07 < markg85> i just think this would be a very nice point to start with 18:07 < mizmo> (2) i've used linux before, but not fedora. you'll have to win me over. 18:07 < markg85> mchua, yes i will run this 18:07 < mizmo> (3) i've been using fedora 4eva and it's awesome! 18:07 < mizmo> i think depending on which section we've got, we'd care about 1, 2, or 3 in a different priority order 18:07 < mchua> mizmo, ricky - well, markg85 isn't saying "everybody has to do this," he's saying "if you could do this please, it would help me think about some things I might not be considering just yet." 18:08 < mizmo> for www.fpo we would care more about 1 & 2 18:08 < ricky> Maybe what we need is a feedback form or email. 18:08 < ricky> Like: Let us know what you're doing with Fedora at blah at fp.o 18:08 < markg85> mchua, i will add that task to.. myself on the tasklist 18:08 < ricky> Because I have absolutely no idea what types of users are 18:08 < mchua> if people want to do that, they can do that. markg85 was telling us what he's planning on doing with the project he offered to run point on. 18:09 < hiemanshu> We should have something on first page like, here for the first time, back again 18:09 < mizmo> im not going to do it because i dont think my opinion is very useful 18:09 < mizmo> :( 18:09 < hiemanshu> i ll do it 18:09 < mchua> similarly, if mizmo asks for a hand on get.fp.o, she'll ask us to pitch in, and ricky was asking for input on decisionmaking a few minutes ago and people were chiming in... 18:09 < markg85> I would say: first ask it on the websites list. if the feedback is to diverse there (thus not useful) then move it to a more populated list like jsut fedora 18:09 < hiemanshu> and help markg85 with that 18:10 < mizmo> the problem is that 18:10 < mizmo> if you dont think about the audience you are trying to reach 18:10 < mizmo> and you just randomly ask people 18:10 < mizmo> your results are going to be way skewed 18:10 < mizmo> and probably not in a way you would want them to be if you had actually thought about what audience you want to reach first 18:10 < mizmo> if you know the audience you want to reach, then you can survey THEM 18:10 < ricky> I don't think we're applying the soon-to-be extant decision making process here. 18:10 < mizmo> and weigh the results appropriately based on who answered the question 18:10 * ricky agrees with mizmo 18:10 < mizmo> and how high on your priority list that user class is 18:10 < mizmo> eg 18:11 < hiemanshu> mizmo, +1 18:11 < mchua> I agree, and I also think that this shouldn't stop markg85 from moving forward. 18:11 < mizmo> if linus torvalds tells me he thinks get.fpo sucks 18:11 < mizmo> but i want to target people who have never used linux before 18:11 < markg85> mizmo, i agree and disagree 18:11 < mizmo> than linus' opinion is probably not something i should weigh as heavily as the girl walking down the sidewalk 18:11 < mizmo> who doesnt use linux 18:11 < markg85> mizmo, you just have to start somewhere 18:11 < mchua> markg85 + 1 18:11 < mizmo> markg85: you have to know where you are going before you can start walking there 18:12 < mizmo> if you head off without a map you dont know if you're going to end up anywhere useful and how much time you are going to waste going the wrong way 18:12 < ricky> I just don't want to have flamewars based on subjective opinions start up. Please :-) 18:12 < mchua> mizmo + 1 also. I think the "know what you're aiming for" thing is a very good thing. I also think that knowing that *while* starting means you'll eventually figure it out. 18:12 < markg85> mizmo, the users don't mather for me because every single one will do fine. users from websites: fine. users from documentation: fine.. anyone is fine so there is no real target 18:12 < mchua> or rather, that if you know you don't know, and start moving with that in mind, you'll soon know. 18:12 < mizmo> huh 18:13 * mchua blinks, reboots mel.speaks_english module 18:13 < mizmo> markg85: if our target was beginning linux users, the resulting design would be a million miles away from a design primarily targeted for experience technical users 18:13 < ricky> I think we have some fundamentally conflicting opinions about what information to use and what information to discard thoguh. 18:13 < ricky> **though 18:13 -!- onekopaka_away is now known as onekopaka 18:13 < onekopaka> hello. 18:13 < mizmo> i mean heres the thing right 18:13 * mchua has to leave in 15 minutes. 18:13 < mizmo> what i do, is design UI 18:13 < mizmo> and there's a process to it 18:14 < mchua> hey onekopaka - you came in the middle of a somewhat frantic meeting. :) 18:14 < mizmo> and one of the essential things you have to identify up front, is who is this UI for 18:14 < markg85> mizmo, you are right but right now i see fp.o as (boldly said) useless. so in my point of view anything and any input will do fine 18:14 < mizmo> if i went and designed UIs willy-nilly asking my friends what they thought about it, i would be making a big mistake 18:14 < onekopaka> mchua: I ran from my school bus home. 18:14 < onekopaka> to home* 18:14 < markg85> mizmo, once there is some input from one list (websites) you can choose to get further with other groups or bast "the new design" on just the input from the websites list 18:14 < markg85> hey onekopaka 18:14 * onekopaka catches up 18:15 < mizmo> markg85: the reason www.fpo sucks RIGHT NOW is because that is the approach that has been taken in the past - it doesn't matter 18:15 < ricky> What if the input is wrong? What do we do then? 18:15 < mchua> onekopaka: we're talking about the projects we want to work on for f12 - in order, they're get.fpo, decision process, www.fpo, docs.fpo, and then join.fpo, translation, and user gallery. 18:15 < hiemanshu> Make some assumptions, and work out the best we can 18:15 < mizmo> markg85: but what i am telling you right now as a professional design practicioner is that is the wrong approach, a good design hinges on identifying and prioritizing your target users 18:15 < markg85> mizmo, then where do you suggest i gather feedback? 18:15 < mizmo> markg85: it depends who you have identified as your target users! 18:15 < mchua> onekopaka: right now it's mizmo on get.fp.o, with markg85's help, hiemanshu on the user gallery, markg85 on www.fp.o with hiemanshu's help, ricky on decisionmaking process and docs.fp.o, mchua on join.fp.o, translation as a "we need to find someone." 18:15 < mizmo> markg85: if your target users are beginners, then you go to where you can talk to beginners and ask them 18:16 < mizmo> markg85: if your target users are experienced hackers, then you go and ask experienced hackers what they think 18:16 < markg85> mizmo, that's the biggest problem of fedora.. there isn't one group! 18:16 < onekopaka> yep 18:16 < mizmo> markg85: if you dont think about *who* you are talking to, you're going to get way skewed results 18:16 < mizmo> markg85: that's right there are multiple groups, 18:16 < mizmo> (1) never used linux before 18:16 < hiemanshu> you make a general idea of stuff and continue 18:16 < mizmo> (2) have some tech experience, used another linux 18:16 < mizmo> (3) current fedora users 18:16 < mizmo> what we should decide 18:16 < mizmo> is in what order do we care about these users 18:16 < mizmo> for each project we are talking about taking on 18:16 < mizmo> then 18:16 < markg85> oke stop :P 18:16 < mizmo> you can ask epople in each category, but weigh them appropriately 18:17 < hiemanshu> we care for 1 first and then 2 18:17 < mizmo> hiemanshu: i agree 18:17 * ricky agrees as well 18:17 < mizmo> hiemanshu: for www.fpo we care about 1, then 2 18:17 < markg85> mizmo, then lets say i want to target beginning linux users. users that have installed fedora but not users that haven't used any linux ever yet 18:17 < mizmo> hiemanshu: for docs.fpo, we care a little less about 1, because if they don't use it they don't need help yet 18:17 * mchua looks at the time, and now has to leave in 10 minutes. Can we move towards wrapping up? 18:17 < ricky> Perhaps for join.fp.o, we care more about 2 and 3. 18:17 < mizmo> markg85: then talk to beginner users and ask them what they care about www.fpo 18:17 < mchua> can any of this discussion go to list, or to next week? 18:17 < markg85> mizmo, so where do i start then and that's probably the biggest group :P 18:17 < hiemanshu> ricky, i would say 3 for join.fpo 18:18 < ricky> mchua: I think it might be good to get some of these disagreements worked out - we'll post logs to list later if you have to go 18:18 < markg85> mizmo, i did on my school with 5 persons and all where ashamed that opensource software brings that crap out.. and they said that because it wasn't fully working on any of there pc's 18:18 < mizmo> markg85: thats neither here nor there, though 18:19 < ricky> OK, so now that we have some groups and some priorities, where do we go from here? 18:19 < hiemanshu> ricky, Feedback 18:19 < hiemanshu> from users 18:19 < markg85> finally we are moving a bit 18:19 < mizmo> i dont know if i can meet next week because ill be in berlin 18:19 < mizmo> but what i will try to do 18:20 < mizmo> is have a summary of get.fpo tasks to usability test 18:20 < mizmo> and maybe some initial test results 18:20 < ricky> Cool. 18:20 < ricky> mizmo: For the rest of us, can you give some advice on how to go about getting these tests/feedback? 18:21 < mizmo> maybe a good systematic approach that you can adapt as you've got resources 18:21 < mizmo> is have a print out of the page(s) you're working on 18:21 < mizmo> and show it to three never-used-linux-before people (maybe parents, maybe friends, maybe co-workers) 18:22 < mizmo> then take some screenshots and make them available somewhere maybe on the wiki 18:22 < mizmo> and go into different tech IRC channels and try to grab 3 people who are familiar with linux 18:22 < onekopaka> Mozilla's feedback system, Hendrix, seems like a good tool for collecting feedback 18:22 < mizmo> and then go into #fedora-devel to get feedback from experience hackers 18:22 < mizmo> and for the page you're working on 18:22 < mizmo> come up with a list of questions to get feedback on 18:22 < mizmo> eg for get.fpo i'm going to ask 18:22 < mizmo> 'if you wanted to download x86_64, what would you click on?' 18:23 < mizmo> 'if you were going to install fedora on your machine today, which link would you click on?' 18:23 < mizmo> have at least 5 questoins to ask and note any other stuff the people you talk to note about the page 18:23 < mizmo> onekopaka: ive not heard of it 18:23 < onekopaka> mizmo: yep. http://hendrix.mozilla.org/ 18:23 < hiemanshu> make the default page for Mozilla a feedback page 18:24 < onekopaka> mizmo: and the source is in mozilla CVS in mozilla/webtools/hendrix 18:24 * mizmo takes a look 18:24 < mizmo> onekopaka: i think having osmething like that for the website would be good (altohugh we already get messages to webmaster at fpo) 18:24 < mizmo> but here we're talking more about very targeted feedback 18:24 < mizmo> in response to questions/tasks we come up with rather than open format 18:24 < onekopaka> yeah 18:24 < onekopaka> but feedback in general 18:25 < ricky> Yeah, webmaster@ email is usually not very feedback-related at the moment. 18:26 < onekopaka> it's more complaining about servers that aren't ours 18:26 < ricky> Heh 18:26 * onekopaka curses underneath his breath about those emails 18:26 < ricky> OK, so tasks for next week: 18:26 < mizmo> hehe 18:27 < ricky> Can all task owners strat a thread on the mailing list stating their task and actoins 18:27 < ricky> Then they can post updates on that thread? 18:27 < mizmo> sure 18:27 < hiemanshu> ricky, i am new here so might need some help :P 18:27 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: you're on the fedora-websites-list, right? 18:28 < hiemanshu> just joined in 18:28 < ricky> So one task is to gather feedback in the way that mizmo described 18:28 < ricky> For any person that you interview, make sure to get some background on what category of user they fall in. 18:28 < onekopaka> ricky: should I be updating the task list on the wiki at this point? 18:29 < ricky> onekopaka: That'd be great if you can 18:29 < markg85> mizmo, sant me to go through with asking for feedback on fp.o on the websites mailing list or now? the question i will ask is: What do you really like about this site: fp.o, get.fp.o. If it where gone what would you miss? 18:29 < onekopaka> mmkay I've got it open in my browser for editing 18:29 < markg85> sant = want 18:29 < ricky> mizmo: Does that sound like the right kind of question, or do you have any other suggestions for markg85? 18:30 < mizmo> markg85: that sounds like the right question but i dont think the websites list is the right place to ask 18:30 < ricky> Should the questions be more task-focused? 18:30 < ricky> Like: Show me what you would do if you wanted to download the x86_64 KDE live cd 18:30 < mizmo> ricky: yeh, for www.fpo though forming a task like that is a bit trickier 18:30 < ricky> True. 18:30 < mizmo> markg85: i can handle asking the questions for get.fpo if you can handle www.fpo 18:30 < markg85> mizmo, want me to crosspost it to: fedora, fedora-devel, fedora-websites and fedora-design ? 18:31 < mizmo> markg85: i think the question you've come up with will work for www.fpo 18:31 < mizmo> markg85: i wouldn't spam mailing lists, i would ask in the venues i suggested above (friends, #fedora, #fedora-devel) 18:31 < ricky> markg85: People in real life could be good as well - especially for the people that don't know what Fedora or Linux is 18:31 < hiemanshu> I change that and put it up for User Gallery 18:33 < onekopaka> ricky: I think we should really have a Websites/Tasks/Feedback page for Feedback-related tasks to keep the task list cleaner 18:33 < onekopaka> ricky: what do you think about that? 18:34 < ricky> Yeah, that sounds better than spamming the mailing list 18:34 < hiemanshu> onekopaka, +1 18:34 < nb> ricky, /me would go to torrents to download everything :) 18:34 < nb> but i dont know how many people know about torrents.fedoraproject.org 18:34 < ricky> OK, so does everybody know what to work on? If so, we can close for the week :-) 18:34 < onekopaka> recently, I've been cleaning the wiki up 18:35 * hiemanshu is ready to fire up 18:35 < markg85> mizmo, for the question. don't make it questions because that again will scare users away. That one question i made up will probably do fine for fp.o and get.fp.o 18:35 < ricky> Oh, one more thing - how is this meeting time for everybody? 18:35 * mchua --> train - logs plz! 18:35 < hiemanshu> Midnight here, fine with me 18:35 < mchua> this time is fine 18:35 < ricky> Only a couple of people filled out mchua's whenisgood thing, so this time was pretty much based on 4 peoples' times. 18:35 < nb> is pretty good for me, i don't normally work till about 30m inst from now 18:35 < nb> altough sometimes i would have to work 18:35 < onekopaka> ricky: good for the summer, but once school starts again it'll be a pain 18:35 < markg85> ricky, this time is fine for me 18:35 < ricky> onekopaka: Heh, I'm in the same situation, actually 18:36 < nb> don't really include me in your planning, my schedule changes every week 18:36 < ricky> OK, for those reading on the mailing list: if you didn't fill in your time, please do so 18:36 < ricky> I think mchua's whenisgood thing is closed now, so we'll figure out some way to get times. 18:36 < ricky> nb: Heh, no worries 18:36 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Websites Meeting - Meeting End -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hi, In a quest to find out what the current state is of fedoraproject.org is i decided to just go to this list first and request for feedback on fedoraproject.org. The question is: What do you really like about this site: http://www.fedoraproject.org ? If it where gone what would you miss? I hope you could take the time to tell me what you like. a why is not even required but would be nice to know. Thank you for your time, Mark. From mel at redhat.com Sat Jun 20 07:01:45 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:01:45 -0400 Subject: Meeting Log - 2009-06-19 In-Reply-To: <20090619183814.GC14444@alpha.rzhou.org> References: <20090619183814.GC14444@alpha.rzhou.org> Message-ID: <4A3C8959.5050402@redhat.com> Meeting logs are on the wiki! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2009-06-19 (man, irclog2html rocks.) Who's doing what: see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#Projects. (hiemanshu, I apologise - I couldn't figure out your wiki username, but if you let me know I'll link it in.) The general summary: in order of priority, f12 projects so far are get.fpo, decision process, www.fpo, docs.fpo, and then join.fpo, translation, and user gallery. Right now it's mizmo on get.fp.o, with markg85's help, hiemanshu on the user gallery, markg85 on www.fp.o with hiemanshu's help, ricky on decisionmaking process and docs.fp.o, mchua on join.fp.o, and translation as a "we need to find someone." Starting to see some action around stuff already, which is great. :) More when I'm not about to fall asleep at my computer. --Mel From ca219234 at tiscali.cz Sat Jun 20 10:29:37 2009 From: ca219234 at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?MITANA_Ale=B9?=) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:29:37 +0200 Subject: F 11 Message-ID: <20090620102948.661538590A@nbs.bubakov.net> Good morning, I try obtain fedora release 11 but still isnt possible download iso i386 instal DVD. Where I do mistake? Or problem on your server? Mirror is http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all Direct download. If dont serverver is aviable , is possible send this operation system on my server? Thak you Ales -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From himanshu.sharmaa at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 16:11:35 2009 From: himanshu.sharmaa at gmail.com (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:11:35 -0400 Subject: Meeting Log - 2009-06-19 Message-ID: <5efedeb10906200911n30e621b5v7066d43a8e3618de@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mel, My user name on the wiki is hiemanshu as well. -- Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 20 20:18:49 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:18:49 -0400 Subject: F 11 In-Reply-To: <20090620102948.661538590A@nbs.bubakov.net> References: <20090620102948.661538590A@nbs.bubakov.net> Message-ID: <20090620201849.GB30586@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-20 12:29:37 PM, MITANA Ale? wrote: > I try obtain fedora release 11 but still isnt possible download iso i386 instal > DVD. Where I do mistake? Or problem on your server? > > Mirror is http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all > > Direct download. If dont serverver is aviable , is possible send this operation > system on my server? Hi, can you please tell us what address you get sent to afte you click the download link? We need that in order to report the problem to the mirror. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Your website suggests "validating" the D/L. In the "validating D/L for Windows users" section, you give Windows users 3 choices for validating their D/L: 1) HashCalc >>> I couldn't get HashCalc to D/L - probably a problem with the HashCalc website - not your fault. 2) XCSC >>> Nice little utility which reported the SHA1SUM as "795B52B3C7B16EBA6F2CAE055EC894D8648D8095" (without the quotes) 3) SHA1SUM.EXE >>> Nice little command line utility that reported the SHA1SUM the same as XCSC but using lower case letters. I realize that this doesn't matter (i.e. the SHA1SUM is actually a hexidecimal number and therefore is NOT case sensitive). Now that I have a SHA1SUM value for MY D/L, it would be nice to find a SHA1SUM value for the file on your website for the sake of comparing the 2 values i.e. validation. The instructions about how to use the above software suggest opening the file "SHA1SUM" using a text editor and comparing the values... I looked everywhere but couldn't find a file named SHA1SUM!!! My request is that you put a link to the referenced SHA1SUM file on the webpage for the Windows validation instructions >>> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/en_US/sn-validating-files. html In the meantime, can you send me a link to the file or tell me if the file that I D/L has the correct SHA1SUM value??? Thanx for your assistance... - Michael - From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 21 01:22:11 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:22:11 -0400 Subject: link errado In-Reply-To: <15b966dd0906201253s29c0d66ekf2c3d82a0c6adf5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <15b966dd0906201253s29c0d66ekf2c3d82a0c6adf5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090621012211.GA8281@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-20 04:53:19 PM, C?ssio Santos wrote: > O link para download do Fedora 11 em "Mais op??es (usu?rios experientes)" est? > com um http a mais... > > http://http//torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Fedora-11-i386-DVD.torrent Hi, can you please tell us where you saw this bad link? Thanks for the report, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I recently downloaded a copy of the Fedora 11 live ISO file for > Intel compatible PCs (32-bit). > > Your website suggests "validating" the D/L. > > In the "validating D/L for Windows users" section, you give Windows > users 3 choices for validating their D/L: > 1) HashCalc >>> I couldn't get HashCalc to D/L - probably a problem > with the HashCalc website - not your fault. > 2) XCSC >>> Nice little utility which reported the > SHA1SUM as "795B52B3C7B16EBA6F2CAE055EC894D8648D8095" > (without the quotes) > 3) SHA1SUM.EXE >>> Nice little command line utility that reported > the SHA1SUM the same as XCSC but using lower case letters. I > realize that this doesn't matter (i.e. the SHA1SUM is actually > a hexidecimal number and therefore is NOT case sensitive). > > Now that I have a SHA1SUM value for MY D/L, it would be nice to > find a SHA1SUM value for the file on your website for the sake of > comparing the 2 values i.e. validation. The instructions about > how to use the above software suggest opening the file "SHA1SUM" using > a text editor and comparing the values... I looked everywhere but > couldn't find a file named SHA1SUM!!! > > My request is that you put a link to the referenced SHA1SUM file on > the webpage for the Windows validation instructions >>>> > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/en_US/sn-validating-files. > html > > In the meantime, can you send me a link to the file or tell me if the > file that I D/L has the correct SHA1SUM value??? Unfortunately, the problem is that the documentation is out of date for Fedora 11, because the checksum used was switched to SHA-256 instead of SHA-1. A bug has been opened to update the documentation. There is a little bit more information in the bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/504228 There are some windows sha256sum binaries listed in the bug report, but I am not sure any of them are suitable for the Fedora Project to recommend to users. But I have no doubt that between the Fedora documentation team and the other great folks in the Fedora community, this situation can and will be improved. FWIW, I can attest that the SHA-1 of the Fedora-11-i686-Live.iso is 795b52b3c7b16eba6f2cae055ec894d8648d8095. (Now, whether you have any reason to trust me is another matter. :) -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. -- Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Until that happens, there isn't a very good way to fix that documentation. If a good sha256sum for Windows isn't built or located soon, the documentation should probably be modified to note that it is not applicable to Fedora 11. > I took the liberty of burning the .ico onto a CD using Roxio 5 (the > documentation gives directions for Roxio 7 among others) and have > successfully booted to it. It's a interesting environment although > runs pretty sssllllooooooowwwwwllllyyyy from a CD ROM... I am going > to try to install it to a UFD - it should perform much better from a > UFD. It also works reasonably well from a usb key. The Live USB Creator tool can take the .iso image you have and put it on a usb key that you can boot many modern systems with. https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ That tool works well from Windows too. > Can either of you give me an idea about how big a "complete install" > for Fedora 11 is - approximately. My choices for a UFD to install > Fedora 11 onto are 8, 16, 32, or 64 GB. The Fedora Installation Guide says between 3 and 5 GB is sufficient. I've not done any complete installs to test that, as there are far more packages in Fedora than I am able or interested in using. I tend to give myself 10 GB for the / partition, which accounts for the packages installed as well as various cache data that is created. But if you can, try making a live usb key. That's a pretty handy way to poke around. -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ People who make history know nothing about history. You can see that in the sort of history they make. -- G. K. Chesterton -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks O.M.A. Ladipo ------ Forwarded Message From: Fedora Freemedia Reply-To: Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 01:03:39 -0000 To: Cc: Subject: [Fedora Freemedia] #1535: olanrewaju ladipo from BRASIL wants a i386 DVD. #1535: olanrewaju ladipo from BRASIL wants a i386 DVD. ------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- Reporter: ladipo at uol.com.br | Status: new Version: i386 DVD | Keywords: LatinAmerica, Fedora 10, May 2009 Email: ladipo at uol.com.br | Country: BRASIL ------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- olanrewaju ladipo,[[BR]]Rua Giovanni Carnovali,92.Casa 164 [[BR]]Vila Caraguata.S?o Paulo [[BR]]CEP 04191-000 [[BR]]BRASIL.[[BR]] -- Ticket URL: Fedora Freemedia Fedora Freemedia Project ------ End of Forwarded Message From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 21 14:46:36 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:46:36 -0400 Subject: FW: DVD not received [Fedora Freemedia] #1535: olanrewaju ladipo from BRASIL wants a i386 DVD. 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Thanks for reply, Jindrich -- Jindrich Novy http://people.redhat.com/jnovy/ From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 23 13:36:19 2009 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (Seth Vidal) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: quota increase at fedorapeople.org In-Reply-To: <20090623051445.GA3360@pucmeloud.redhat.com> References: <20090623051445.GA3360@pucmeloud.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Jindrich Novy wrote: > Hi, > > is it please possible to increase the fedorapeople.org quota for me to > about 3GB and 10000 files? (user jnovy) > > The reason is that I need to create a testing repository for the new > TeX Live before its inclusion to Fedora. The huge requirements are > caused by the size of the whole distribution. > done. -sv From tushar.gholap at seedinfotech.com Tue Jun 23 14:34:21 2009 From: tushar.gholap at seedinfotech.com (tushar.gholap at seedinfotech.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:04:21 +0530 Subject: Good side contain in marathi on internet Message-ID: <4987F0F447DA43DFA0847AEBD18CA8B4.MAI@seedinfotech.com> Hi, This is really good to see the Fedora 11 release notes in marathi I really like to read that note. I really appreciating you?re good work. So I am requesting that update more information in marathi. TusharG From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 23 18:25:42 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:55:42 +0530 Subject: Good side contain in marathi on internet In-Reply-To: <4987F0F447DA43DFA0847AEBD18CA8B4.MAI@seedinfotech.com> References: <4987F0F447DA43DFA0847AEBD18CA8B4.MAI@seedinfotech.com> Message-ID: <4A411E26.7010303@fedoraproject.org> On 06/23/2009 08:04 PM, tushar.gholap at seedinfotech.com wrote: > Hi, > > This is really good to see the Fedora 11 release notes in marathi I really like to read that note. > I really appreciating you?re good work. > > So I am requesting that update more information in marathi. Thank you for your feedback, I am passing this request to our Marathi translator. Rahul From laurent.ughetto at irisa.fr Wed Jun 24 10:58:51 2009 From: laurent.ughetto at irisa.fr (Laurent Ughetto) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:58:51 +0200 Subject: broken link on Message-ID: <4A4206EB.8070804@irisa.fr> Hi, On page (French language version), the link is broken, and should be replaced by Hope it'll help :-) Laurent From customerservice at redhat.com Wed Jun 24 11:46:22 2009 From: customerservice at redhat.com (Red Hat Customer Service) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:46:22 -0400 Subject: Distribute Fedora on a CD [REF:39014414049] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <18497615.1245843982491.JavaMail.customerservice@dbp1.db.oap.phx.redhat.com> Hello Steven, Thank you for contacting Red Hat. To be assured of providing the most accurate information, I request you to contact the email address 'webmaster at fedoraproject.org'. We have also copied them on this email. For any further assistance, email us and we will be more than happy to assist you. http://www.redhat.com/about/contact/dir/#custservice Thank you for choosing Red Hat, we appreciate your business. Have a nice day! Kind Regards, Parag Customer Service Red Hat, Inc. ---- Original Message ---- From: sverne at Topics-Ent.com Sent: 23-Jun-2009 18:22:58 To: customerservice at redhat.com Subject: Distribute Fedora on a CD I am interested in finding the information of who I would contact to get the rights to include an ISO image of Fedora on a CD I am selling. Please can forward this email to the correct person or provide me contact their contact information. Thanks in advance, Steven Verne TOPICS Entertainment From onekopaka at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 17:15:50 2009 From: onekopaka at gmail.com (Darren VanBuren) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:15:50 -0700 Subject: broken link on In-Reply-To: <4A4206EB.8070804@irisa.fr> References: <4A4206EB.8070804@irisa.fr> Message-ID: <0F379638-E2FF-429D-BB70-83AFA4ED6A2C@gmail.com> Why would we send French users to the en-US release notes? Thank you for reporting this anyways, we'll get right on this. Darren VanBuren ------------------------- Sent from my iPod Try Fedora 10 today. Fire it up. http://fedoraproject.org/ On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:58, Laurent Ughetto wrote: > Hi, > > On page (French language > version), > the link > > is broken, and should be replaced by > > > > Hope it'll help :-) > > Laurent > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list From onekopaka at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 17:42:06 2009 From: onekopaka at gmail.com (Darren VanBuren) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:42:06 -0700 Subject: broken link on In-Reply-To: <4A4206EB.8070804@irisa.fr> References: <4A4206EB.8070804@irisa.fr> Message-ID: <15EEB4AA-4CFC-4101-BCAB-1055C6D289A6@gmail.com> Again, thanks. The fix has been commited and should be live in half an hour. Darren VanBuren ------------------------- Sent from my iPod Try Fedora 10 today. Fire it up. http://fedoraproject.org/ On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:58, Laurent Ughetto wrote: > Hi, > > On page (French language > version), > the link > > is broken, and should be replaced by > > > > Hope it'll help :-) > > Laurent > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 22:27:56 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:27:56 +0200 Subject: Distribute Fedora on a CD [REF:39014414049] In-Reply-To: <18497615.1245843982491.JavaMail.customerservice@dbp1.db.oap.phx.redhat.com> References: <18497615.1245843982491.JavaMail.customerservice@dbp1.db.oap.phx.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090624222756.GD11716@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 07:46:22AM -0400, Red Hat Customer Service wrote: [...snip...] > ---- Original Message ---- > From: sverne at Topics-Ent.com > Sent: 23-Jun-2009 18:22:58 > To: customerservice at redhat.com > Subject: Distribute Fedora on a CD > > I am interested in finding the information of who I would contact to get > the rights to include an ISO image of Fedora on a CD I am selling. > Please can forward this email to the correct person or provide me > contact their contact information. > > > > Thanks in advance, > Steven Verne > TOPICS Entertainment Steven, In general, Fedora's licensing terms mean you are welcome to press our ISO image to CD and sell it for a fee. Assuming you are selling an unmodified copy of Fedora, you can consult our trademark guidelines for more information here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Copies_of_unmodified_Fedora_media Also applicable to your sale is the license for Fedora itself, which is a collected work licensed under the GNU GPL: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/LicenseAgreement There is a requirement for making the source for the distribution available to your customers as well. If you have further specific questions on how to meet this and any other requirements in the Fedora license, you can ask questions on our fedora-legal-list: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list -- Paul W. 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It's fun and is a valuable resource for all of us. - The Health Community By - Aarogya.com --------------------------------------------------- You can view your friends profile at http://community.aarogya.com/index.php/community/profile?userid=77&invite=77 From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 26 04:29:14 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:29:14 -0400 Subject: Website Meeting - 2009-06-26 17:00 UTC Message-ID: <20090626042914.GF31649@alpha.rzhou.org> Hey, it was great talking to everybody last meeting, we'll be having another one at 17:00 UTC tomorrow, I look forward to talking to you all. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5efedeb10906260105p1b3e1d89kc5075adc476d1031@mail.gmail.com> References: <5efedeb10906260105p1b3e1d89kc5075adc476d1031@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote: > Hello, > > We had a bug report here : > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=446077 asking for a link > to boot.iso(netinst.iso) so i would like your thoughts on this. > Do you think that we need to put links to netinst.iso files and also > what would you like it to be named. > I think this is a good idea, I typically do net installs. -Mike From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 26 14:08:10 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:08:10 -0400 Subject: Adding Links to netinst.iso on Get Fedora Page Message-ID: <5efedeb10906260708l1e87cc80n4158b02ea44f8501@mail.gmail.com> Hi, There has been a bug report about linking to the Get Fedora page to boot.iso(netinst.iso). I would like you thoughts on it. I made some changes and here is link to a screenshot : http://i39.tinypic.com/5frgy0.jpg. Here are the changes to be added to the get-fedora-all.html:

  • ${_('NetInstall')}

    • Please have a look at it and let me know your thoughts on this. -- Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 26 14:39:37 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:39:37 -0400 Subject: Adding Links to netinst.iso on Get Fedora Page In-Reply-To: <5efedeb10906260708l1e87cc80n4158b02ea44f8501@mail.gmail.com> References: <5efedeb10906260708l1e87cc80n4158b02ea44f8501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090626143937.GG31649@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-26 10:08:10 AM, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote: > There has been a bug report about linking to the Get Fedora page to > boot.iso(netinst.iso). I would like you thoughts on it. > I made some changes and here is link to a screenshot : > http://i39.tinypic.com/5frgy0.jpg. > Here are the changes to be added to the get-fedora-all.html: Hey, looks good. One thing I might change is is instead putting it as another category under the "Direct Download" heading, except having it labeled with "Network Install CD" or something instead. That way, it's consistent in that each column is a different method of downloading, with the various types of media listed in the column. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 26 15:48:21 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:48:21 -0400 Subject: Adding Links to netinst.iso on Get Fedora Page Message-ID: <5efedeb10906260848n26bdd5f1pca5cd7393350be81@mail.gmail.com> Here is the screenshot to the changes you wanted : http://i41.tinypic.com/2ewi5xt.jpg And updated code :
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  • ${_('ppc')} - ${_('Network Insta$ Complete source code is here : http://fpaste.org/paste/16609 -- Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 26 15:50:42 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:50:42 -0400 Subject: Adding Links to netinst.iso on Get Fedora Page Message-ID: <5efedeb10906260850n520f5bcfl45e10f03c5f99951@mail.gmail.com> The code was not properly posted last time, here is the updated patch.
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  • ${_('ppc')} - ${_('Network Install CD')}
    • -- Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 26 16:23:02 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:23:02 -0400 Subject: Adding Links to netinst.iso on Get Fedora Page Message-ID: <5efedeb10906260923t5cdf5eefo90868c15834715e7@mail.gmail.com> Here the git diff file is attached. -- Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it got lost in the shuffle though, as no one commented on the idea or the implementation. :) http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-March/msg00021.html -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps like this: http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/tmp/get-fedora-netinst.png This is what I posted back in March?. :) As I said in that mail, "I went with Minimal boot media as that was close to what the installation guide uses. Better wording is always welcome." I think keeping the terminology consistent with our documentation is best. I'm not tied to any particular wording, as long as both the install guide and get-fedora-all use something similar. ? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-March/msg00021.html -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 542 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jnovy at redhat.com Fri Jun 26 11:40:08 2009 From: jnovy at redhat.com (Jindrich Novy) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:40:08 +0200 Subject: quota increase at fedorapeople.org In-Reply-To: References: <20090623051445.GA3360@pucmeloud.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090626114007.GA29585@pucmeloud.redhat.com> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:36:19AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Jindrich Novy wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> is it please possible to increase the fedorapeople.org quota for me to >> about 3GB and 10000 files? (user jnovy) >> >> The reason is that I need to create a testing repository for the new >> TeX Live before its inclusion to Fedora. The huge requirements are >> caused by the size of the whole distribution. >> > > done. > -sv > Thanks! -- Jindrich Novy http://people.redhat.com/jnovy/ From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 26 17:33:19 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:33:19 -0400 Subject: Meeting Log 26/06/2009 Message-ID: <5efedeb10906261033i239a48e2p19b754f15da894d5@mail.gmail.com> * ricky has changed the topic to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Who's Here? * mchua is here! * ricky :-) * hiemanshu is here! * mchua volunteers to post logs after meeting. * hiemanshu 's work got stolen by mchua hiemanshu: if you want to do it, be my guest :) Sure nb|away: ping w00t! mizmo doesn't seem to about around either :-/ s/about/be/ ricky, she is at FUDcon And markg85 couldn't make it today Berlin Oh yeah, she mentioned that last time * nb|away is a bit here, but has to leave in about 30 mins great nb|away Hopefully she has access to some people to test with there :-) * Sonar_Guy has quit ("Leaving") * ricky has changed the topic to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Task List I think 1)blogs.fp.o mchua: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks is the most recent URL, right? ricky: right. ricky: though I'd suggest zooming through that very, very quickly and using http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#Projects as a better agenda list instead Ah, cool For the CMS item, docs has been packaging like crazy :-) yeah i heard that yesterday as well my tasks are marked as "got hosed this week," but i'll do join.fp.o stuff for an hour or so after this meeting They're working closely with upstream to get all the licensing issues worked out - there may also be a test instance, although I have'nt seen the URL yet Fedora Community can probably be taken off - that has been deployed for a while now :-) * mchua updates list ianweller has written and packaged an extension for the mediawiki 302 redirects mchua, blogs.fp.o we are working on that as well He might be at lunch now though I've been putting some thought into the decision making process stuff ricky: is that going to hit the list soon? Nothing totally solid yet, but I'd like to try out working with sending patches to the mailing list and getting comments on them before committig **committing Sure sweet That way it's easy for even new peple to keep track of what changes are going on ricky, but as onekopaka said, its a little too messy You all saw that with hiemanshu's get-fedora-all patch earlier today - please make comments, even if it's just a "this is fine and ready to push" another thing I've seen come in over the lists are messages to webmaster@, which ricky seems to mostly be answering... is there anything we can do to help with that queue? hiemanshu: It gets better once the process is worked out. Like how you had trouble with sending the patch the first few times Documentation for sending patches will be a first step ricky, cant we have a Trac install like infra does? +1 for a patch-sending howto! hiemanshu: can we use bz? it's already up, docs is (sorta) using it for a todo list. or they tried a bit, anyway, I haven't checked lately on how that experiment went. We can have a trac, but it's much easier for contributors to comment publicly and get their name out to us on the mailing list. It's also nice to have one place to go to find out what's going on in websites. mchua, ricky, this would be better to talk when he have more people around * mchua agrees Sure, and I'll bring it up on list as well. Anyway, next thing I think our priorities kind of got skewed - most people spent the week working on blogs.fp.o instead of the other stuff we agreed on :-/ * mchua will tinker with bz for a few minutes for fun, but doesn't expect anything to come of it - just wanting to see what a websites task list in bz would look like. But some work is better than nothing, definitely :-) hey, blogs.fp.o is important. should we go through projects and see what the status of each is, see where we are right now? Sure, but for pretty much everything other than blogs.fp.o, it'll be "same as last week" mizmo and markg85 are not here well, blogs.fp.o isn't even on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#Projects, so that should at least go up I was hoping that mizmo would be around to clarify what she meant user gallery **meant by ricky, thats what i have been waiting for before i can start ricky, well, fwiw, i dont think I had anything else that I was supposed to do, then hiemanshu and onekopaka ended up helping hiemanshu started looking at that a bit, but we wanted to be clear on some technical details first nb|away: Yup, that's definitely fine mchua, depends on if it is being considered a websites project or a infrastructure project I'd consider it more of an infrastructure thing, but since websites people working on it and are excited by it, it might as well be added yeah true * hiemanshu agrees So are there any concrete goals that we should set for next week on any of these tasks? I've got some for join.fp.o that I'm typing up right now for a lot of the projects, I'm just not sure what the next action is OK, that we can discuss. for instance, maybe on the decision making process it's " ricky will be sending a draft here's-how-to-present-your-patch-to-the-list checklist to the mailing list " or... I'm not sure. For get.fp.o, the things I'd personally like to see a solution to the x86_64 problem and the "experienced users need the DVD" issue. ricky, no concrete goals i think ricky: get.fp.o goals++ ricky: what's the "and for next week, towards this goal, we should probably do X" thing? * J5 (n=quintice at c-65-96-175-112.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #fedora-websites Hm, on one hand I don't want to rush things as important as get-fedora, and on the other hand, I don't want it to get stuck on inaction. ricky, i ll make a few patched for get.fp.o and send it over to the list with some screenshots One thing I'm wondering about is how x86_64 can be presented in a way that doesn't hide KDE x86_64. patches* hiemanshu: What is your proposed solution to presenting x86_64 KDE though? ricky, have a bracket saying (x86_64 version) I think we generally agree that for now at least, x86 on the front page is the friendliest choice, so x86_64 would need to be on a differnt page Uh-oh, I'm sure the brackets will be highly debated, but send in a patch and hopefully something good will come out of it ricky, yes but we need to make it a little more obvious to point to get-fedora-all Some good discussion, at the very least mizmo had a great idea for that - insert some keywords into the get-fedora-all link So people scanning the page for x86_64 will know where to go, for example. How to do that in a non-confusing way is still up for discussion though. Anyway, let's move on ricky, i ll work out something and send over the pathces What is the next step to move fp.o forward? patches* We came out with a list of things that users should be able to do at fp.o ricky, markg85 told me there is near to nil feedback on the site The last I heard of it markg85 was trying to get feedback on fedora-websites-list. hiemanshu, just that i'm disappointed at the feedback for fedoraproject.org from the websites mailinglist. To be precise: 0 feedback. mizmo, you where right like you said. * mchua updating https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#get.fedoraproject.org to reflect this convo - holle if I'm wrong OK, so maybe we should be trying other ways to get feedback then. Like people in real life are always good :-) Yes well, maybe one action item for each of us would be to take 10-15 min and write up feedback that mark asked for * kital has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Hopefully mizmo will also have some feedback from FUDCon, so this cna probably wait until she comes back * mchua nods * hiemanshu follows I'm kind of with mizmo on the "my feedback is pointless without context" though. docs.fedoraproject.org * onekopaka_ipod (n=onekopak at c-98-237-235-235.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #fedora-websites My action for that will be to bring my critiques to the docs team - I haven't actually done that yet, and that's the obvious first step join.fp.o - we can have plenty of good actions for that freshly added. I'll get crackin' on them. ;) for new and old contributors alike, it might be good to write up your experiences getting involved and what hurdles there were Another thing to do is go to various group within Fedora and map out their join processes If you can't map them out based on documentation on the wiki, then that's definitely an area for improvement yep. oh, the process, not just the websites people go to? good call. (Same if you can't *find* the documentation on the wiki :-)) * mchua changes item *grin* Once we have a bunch of these mapped out, we can find the common parts and ideally break it down into almost a howto format. yep. yeah So that's one action - write up your experience/difficulties and map out groups. when I get back from washington DC I'm going to ask mizmo and eve and some designers to help go through these notes and make a "join process heuristic" ricky, the writing part is what mizmo meant by user gallery i think I'd be happy to write out my experiences with packaging/infrastructure/web * onekopaka_laptop (n=onekopak at c-98-237-235-235.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #fedora-websites (what makes a good join process, basically) ricky: awesome! hiemanshu: Well, I mean write out not as in to put up on a site, but as something for us to analyze for ways to improve * onekopaka_ipod has quit (Client Quit) So feel free to be critical and say "getting into websites was not as easy as it could be because if XYZ" ricky, yeah great idea, you mean something like feedback +1 OK, so just for the record, can I ask which groups people will be writing up their experiences on? I will do websites and packaging (actually, I'm already doing packaging: http://blog.melchua.com/2009/06/21/n00bthoughts-producing-my-first-rpm/) web/sysadmin/sysadmin-test Nice :-) I'll also look around the other groups and try to get the newest members to write about their experiences Much appreciated, thanks! great mccann great mchua* OK, now... * ricky has changed the topic to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Open Floor Does anybody have anything else they want to discuss before we close up? what did I miss? onekopaka_laptop, just about everything I noticed * onekopaka_laptop hates oversleeping onekopaka_laptop: we'll mail out logs, no worries. onekopaka_laptop: We got some tasks for people to work on - writing up their join processes to Fedora and what their difficulties/thoughs on it were Any groups you'd want to write about for next week? yeah, I saw that on my iPOd ricky: open floor - do we need to worry about not having anyone on translation? ricky, the decision making process, do we have a general opinion or we have heads on top, taking final decisions? ricky, im a member of sysadmin/sysadmin-devel/sysadmin-test iPod* and web so i can write up those too * mchua writes nb down * mchua will send reminders to the list hiemanshu: That's one part I haven't fully thought out yet - my first step was to get decisions in the open (posted to the mailing list) * mchua has also done irc interviews quite a bit before, if people find it easier to schedule 30m to talk rather than "egh, a task I have to do at some undefined point" But actually deciding yes or no... I don't have a set of rules for that yet. ricky, we might have to work on that as well when you are done with the infra work mchua: No for the translation question - translation is something that happens thoughout, so it's not really its own task Yeah. The decision making process is a hard one. what i plan is to have a jury, say about N people whose votes will count On one hand, we don't want good work to get lost, on the other hand, we don't want bad work to go through, and on the other other hand, we don't want to ever discourage people from doing work whether it's used or not :-/ I'm not crazy about voting for this sort of thing. Showing support is good, but if somebody is against a patch, for example, I'd like to see a reasoned case for why the change doesn't benefit users instead of just a "-1" ricky: thanks - i figure if by mid july we have no movement on translation, then start panicking a little more, but that sounds good. :) mchua: As long as the site stays translated, I'm happy :-) yep OK, so anybody else have anything they want to bring up? not me. nothing for now All right then nope * ricky has changed the topic to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Meeting Close Thanks for coming, everybody whee -- Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 26 17:37:08 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:37:08 -0400 Subject: NetInstall ISO on Get-Fedora page. In-Reply-To: <20090626170354.GY4753@inocybe.localdomain> References: <5efedeb10906260105p1b3e1d89kc5075adc476d1031@mail.gmail.com> <20090626170354.GY4753@inocybe.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090626173708.GA6564@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-26 01:03:54 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > I sent in a patch to add this to the get-fedora-all page back in > March. I think it got lost in the shuffle though, as no one commented > on the idea or the implementation. :) > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-March/msg00021.html Gah, sorry about that :-/ Please feel free to bug me whenever I forget about stuff like this. One other request that we've gotten from our Mirror Wrangler for get-fedora-all is to add metalink download URLs as well, if anybody is interested: http://domsch.com/blog/?p=74 I'd probably ask mizmo first about whether she'd mind us shoving this much into the get-fedora-all page. Although it *is* the page for people that are supposed to know exactly what they want :-) Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 26 17:39:26 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:39:26 -0400 Subject: Adding Links to netinst.iso on Get Fedora Page In-Reply-To: <20090626170821.GZ4753@inocybe.localdomain> References: <5efedeb10906260923t5cdf5eefo90868c15834715e7@mail.gmail.com> <20090626163409.GH31649@alpha.rzhou.org> <20090626170821.GZ4753@inocybe.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090626173926.GB6564@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-26 01:08:22 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > I like the idea. I agree that a separate catagory might look better. > Perhaps like this: > > http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/tmp/get-fedora-netinst.png Hm, I definitely agree that it look better as a separate category (in terms of use of space) but on the other hand, it's kind of inconsistent - all of the other categories are download methods except for this (although arguably, "make anaconda download to packages for me" could be considered a download method for Fedora as well, I guess :-) Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From nick at bebout.net Fri Jun 26 17:35:19 2009 From: nick at bebout.net (Nick Bebout) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:35:19 -0500 Subject: Adding Links to netinst.iso on Get Fedora Page In-Reply-To: <5efedeb10906260923t5cdf5eefo90868c15834715e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <5efedeb10906260923t5cdf5eefo90868c15834715e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <88452370-165B-4817-BFDE-81E65C01CEC5@bebout.net> +1 from me Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote: > Here the git diff file is attached. > > -- > Regards, > > Hiemanshu Sharma. > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list From mel at redhat.com Fri Jun 26 18:33:26 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:33:26 -0400 Subject: tasktracking: wikitables aren't going to work much longer Message-ID: <4A451476.3080401@redhat.com> Keeping track of tasks on the wiki is starting to get a bit annoying. Can we get a project-tracking component in bz and track tasks there? Here's what it looks like for docs: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?component=project-tracking&product=Fedora%20Documentation If we get the bz component up I'll volunteer to migrate all websites tasks to bz and notify all owners. Thoughts? There was also discussion of a separate trac during today's meeting, which is another option (however, I'm lazy and tend to favor using an existing installation. ;) Note that this provides an easy place for us to do patch comments and reviews as well (we can make a tracking blocker bug called WEBSITES-NEEDS-COMMENT or something). How would we make this bz component happen? --Mel From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 26 20:22:29 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:22:29 -0400 Subject: Metalinks of get-fedora-all page Message-ID: <5efedeb10906261322l68d91dbdu57b3576ecb8738fa@mail.gmail.com> There has been a request for Metalinks. I have added metalinks to the get-fedora-all page. Here is a screenshot : http://i39.tinypic.com/15g5q3q.jpg And the patch is uploaded. I would like your thoughts on this matter before i push it to the server. -- Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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  • there to space it out a little more? Thanks a lot for taking this - our mirror wrangler, Matt Domsch has been asking to get metalinks on there for a while, and I've kept forgetting about it :-/ Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat Jun 27 02:39:07 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:39:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: new sponsor Message-ID: can we get http://staff.osuosl.org/~gchaix/logos/osl_logo_orange_black_clear_new.svg added to our sponsors page in png format of right size and all that? :) -Mike From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 27 03:06:05 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:06:05 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] Add OSUOSL sponsor link. Message-ID: <20090627030605.GA22089@alpha.rzhou.org> This is a pretty simple change, just adding the requested OSUOSL logo and link to our sponsors page. A big thanks, to the OSUOSL! --- fedoraproject.org/data/content/sponsors.html | 1 + fedoraproject.org/po/fedora-web.pot | 4 ++-- .../static/images/sponsors/open_source_lab.png | Bin 0 -> 2093 bytes 3 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) create mode 100644 fedoraproject.org/static/images/sponsors/open_source_lab.png diff --git a/fedoraproject.org/data/content/sponsors.html b/fedoraproject.org/data/content/sponsors.html index 5129f7c..d02289b 100644 --- a/fedoraproject.org/data/content/sponsors.html +++ b/fedoraproject.org/data/content/sponsors.html @@ -32,6 +32,7 @@
  • Hewlett Packard
  • Technomonk
  • BU Engineering
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Had a good design discussion with Eve this afternoon, and she had some thoughts about approach. From himanshu.sharmaa at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 10:44:56 2009 From: himanshu.sharmaa at gmail.com (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:44:56 -0400 Subject: Metalinks of get-fedora-all page Message-ID: <4A45F828.1090602@gmail.com> Here is the updated screenshot : http://i39.tinypic.com/2exm4g5.jpg And patch is attached. Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: get-fedora-all.patch URL: From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 28 20:52:24 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:22:24 +0530 Subject: Patch for get-fedora-all page Message-ID: <4A47D808.7030500@fedoraproject.org> Yesterday i added Metalinks to the get-fedora-all page. Now i have made a small patch to remove the extra space after jidgo(to the right) and make the CDs links in one line. The screenshot : http://i44.tinypic.com/be5ys6.jpg The patch is attached. Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: get-fedora-all.patch URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 28 21:29:22 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:29:22 -0400 Subject: Patch for get-fedora-all page In-Reply-To: <4A47D808.7030500@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A47D808.7030500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090628212922.GB1370@alpha.rzhou.org> On 2009-06-29 02:22:24 AM, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote: > Yesterday i added Metalinks to the get-fedora-all page. > Now i have made a small patch to remove the extra space after jidgo(to > the right) and make the CDs links in one line. > The screenshot : http://i44.tinypic.com/be5ys6.jpg > The patch is attached. Hi, would it be possible to use relative units instead, and have you tested that this look right on 800x600 as well? We've done quite a lot of testing to make sure that this page looks right in a bunch of different browsers/resolutions. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stephend at mozilla.com Mon Jun 29 17:31:52 2009 From: stephend at mozilla.com (Stephen Donner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:31:52 -0700 Subject: Broken link to your test Testopia instance Message-ID: <4A48FA88.4000303@mozilla.com> Hi there - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Testopia_Evaluation has a broken link to your Testopia instance. Thanks, - Stephen From trac at fedorahosted.org Tue Jun 30 14:03:53 2009 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Infrastructure) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:03:53 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Infrastructure] #1227: Hosting footer In-Reply-To: <064.61ab88ab218f456167146dcdb72210cd@fedorahosted.org> References: <064.61ab88ab218f456167146dcdb72210cd@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <073.dacb9c5504c728b5a7b1bd1dbfd86502@fedorahosted.org> #1227: Hosting footer -------------------------+-------------------------------------------------- Reporter: mmcgrath | Owner: webmaster Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 12 Component: Webmaster | Version: Production Severity: Normal | Resolution: Keywords: | -------------------------+-------------------------------------------------- Changes (by mmcgrath): * owner: mmcgrath => webmaster * status: assigned => new Comment: Anyone interested in doing this? -- Ticket URL: Fedora Infrastructure Fedora Infrastructure Project for Bugs, feature requests and access to our source code.