On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster gmail com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:58:58AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
> I'm going to try to chime in from a Marketing standpoint as best I can,
> and am Ccing the Marketing list in the hopes that Those Who Know More
> Than I can speak about branding here.
> To summarize the conversation to date, both to catch up newcomers tothe
> conversation and to try and form a better understanding of this for
> myself: we have a naming collision problem. (The thread is at
> please correct me if I've missed/mis-stated anything.)
> The term "Fedora Community" currently refers to three things.
> 1. The community of contributors working on the Fedora Project (in other
> words, "us").
> 2. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/, a site that helps keep
> track of who is packaging what, and what state those packages are in.
> 3. http://fedoracommunity.org, the top-level domain for a few (only 2 so
> far, it sounds like) local group homepages (such as
> http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/ for the Philippines).
> http://fedoracommunity.org itself is not up and running, but was
> supposed to be a directory for all such homepages.
> Needless, to say, this is confusing, particularly in the case of the two
> websites. What should we do? Should one or both of the websites be
> renamed/rebranded? If so, which one(s), and what to? How can we adjust?
#2 - the portal project using the Moksha framework for roughtly> Some solutions proposed on the list so far:
>>>> One way we could solve this would be to simply include the page
>>>> listing at the Fedora Community portal site somewhere, as static
>>>> content. Ugh.
>>>> Renaming fedoracommunity.org is very ugly because people have been
>>>> accumulating subdomains there for months. Plus, the domain name was
>>>> blessed by Legal last year (when we were still talking about
>>>> "MyFedora") because the domain name helps make it clear that we don't
>>>> own the site, and aren't responsible for content.
>>> So it seems the only choice is to rename Fedora Community. I have no idea
>>> what it could be renamed to. Right now it's focused on package maintainers
>>> but we're hoping to expand it out more...
>> developers.fedoracommunity.org ?
>> I think it would be a branch from the overall fedora community.
> My thoughts at this point are mainly questions - some of which have
> partially been answered in the discussion above.
> 0. What is the purpose of each website being discussed? (#2,
> admin.fedoraproject.org/community and #3, fedoracommunity.org)
real-time, interactive collaboration between contributors; right now
it serves mainly packagers but the plan is to drastically increase
its coverage beyond that group
#3 - a domain used to provide subdomains for local communities at
which localized (translated) original content, forums, etc. are
provided and maintained outside the Fedora Project; offers both
appeal from the perspective of native language, and the ability to
discuss and provide solutions outside Fedora's mission and scope
[[Local_community_domains]] is probably the most important from the
> 1. For each of the websites being discussed, what were the historical
> reasons for choosing that name? (Pointers to wiki pages, list archives,
> or IRC logs would be great.)
perspective of the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3).
If #3 is only being used by two groups thus far, and if neither has
> 2. For each of the websites being discussed , what would the cost of
> renaming it be? (What effort would we have to go through, and how many
> people would be affected, in what way?)
spent considerable money producing literature or publicity, renaming
that one is probably the better option.
If we really want to know "how did this happen?", my feeling is that
I'm the person at fault here. I recall being not bowled over by the
naming of the portal project (#2) to Fedora Community, but I couldn't
think of why, and I simply failed to put 2 and 2 together with the
fedoracommunity.org domain name. I would say that there wasn't enough
interplay between the FAB list and Infrastructure, where #3 was
discussed and implemented, and Marketing/Moksha, where #2 was going
through that process. And putting those pieces together really is an
FPL responsibility. We have the Logistics list now to coordinate such
things, but didn't back in the winter when #3 was happening (and
probably #2 too).
Having said that, I'd propose that we get in touch with the groups
using the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3) to find out to what extent a
renaming would hamper their community efforts. I'd like to do that
with a Cc: of an appropriate list -- Marketing? Websites? Logistics?
I believe all of the other Filipino Fedora Ambassadors will agree on me on this - we're agreeable to anything the Board deems fit for our local community domain. This is basically just echoing what Engels posted to the Board's list a while back .
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