<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> On 07/12/2013 03:22 PM, Dean Hunter wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:1373656962.2867.22.camel@developer.hunter.org" type="cite"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <meta name="GENERATOR" content="GtkHTML/4.6.4"> On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 18:55 +0000, Adamson, Andy wrote: <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Ondrej Valousek <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ovalousek@vendavo.com">ovalousek@vendavo.com</a>> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> wrote: </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Just back to the Kerberized NFS. Any solution to RH bugzilla #786463 on the horizon yet? </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Expiring tickets will render the whole concept unusable otherwise. </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> Hi </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> I'm looking into Kerberized NFS client issues and bugs. I'll be sure to add this to my todo list. Do you know if anyone has tried with the latest upstream kernel? </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> I have a Kerberized NFS auto mount working very nicely on Fedora 18, FreeIPA 3.1.5-1 and company. But I am having problems getting the same configuration to work on Fedora 19, FreeIPA 3.2.1-1 and company. I have been working to refine the problem definition to more than it does not work. </blockquote> F19 has GSS proxy. I encourage you to use it. I know it was tried and worked as several bugs have been addressed. Gunther CCed will be back from PTO next week and should be able to help. <blockquote cite="mid:1373656962.2867.22.camel@developer.hunter.org" type="cite"> <blockquote type="CITE"> -->Andy </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Anyone? </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> O. </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Odesláno ze Samsung Mobile </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> -------- Původní zpráva -------- Od: Ondrej Valousek <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ovalousek@vendavo.com">ovalousek@vendavo.com</a>> Datum: Komu: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:andrew@wasielewski.co.uk">andrew@wasielewski.co.uk</a>,<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:freeipa-users@redhat.com">freeipa-users@redhat.com</a> Předmět: RE: [Freeipa-users] Problem with Kerberised NFS mount </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Hard to say. </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> In general, when dealing w/ nfs & kerberos, I would advise to: </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> ● Upgrade to the latest fedora </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> ● Make sure idmapper is configured and working fine </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> ● Limit krb enctypes to 3des-cbc-crc (not sure if your kernel can handle aes keys). </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Ondrej </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Odesláno ze Samsung Mobile </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> -------- Původní zpráva -------- Od: Andrew Wasielewski <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:andrew@wasielewski.co.uk">andrew@wasielewski.co.uk</a>> Datum: Komu: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:freeipa-users@redhat.com">freeipa-users@redhat.com</a> Předmět: [Freeipa-users] Problem with Kerberised NFS mount </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Hello everyone, </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> I am setting up FreeIPA for a small home network. However I have a problem mounting NFS shares with Kerberos enables - see syslog output below. </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> My NFS, KDC and FreeIPA servers are all on the same host. I am running the NFS mount directly on the server, which has local firewall disabled - I get the same outcome on a remote client, but this surely eliminates any network issues. </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> These are my NFS exports, which are visible both locally and remotely with "showmount -e":- </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> [root@server ~]# exportfs -av </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> exporting gss/krb5:/home </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> exporting gss/krb5i:/home </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> exporting gss/krb5p:/home </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> The command "mount -t nfs4 -o sec=krb5 <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://server.wasielewski.co.uk">server.wasielewski.co.uk</a>:/home /mnt/test_mnt" hangs indefinitely. However without the Kerberos export options the NFS share can be mounted both locally and remotely without problem. </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> I read in a post that the "serializing key with enctype 18 and size 32" entry in syslog means I am trying to use an unsupported key with AES256 encryption (I can find very little about enctype numbers though); however I appear to have an AES256 service principal: </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> [root@server etc]# ktutil </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> ktutil: rkt /etc/krb5.keytab </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> ktutil: list -e </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> slot KVNO Principal </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> ---- ---- --------------------------------------------------------------------- </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> 1 2 <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:host/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">host/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a> (aes256-cts-hmac-sha1-96) </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> 2 2 <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:host/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">host/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a> (aes128-cts-hmac-sha1-96) </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> 3 2 <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:host/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">host/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a> (des3-cbc-sha1) </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> 4 2 <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:host/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">host/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a> (arcfour-hmac) </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> 5 5 <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nfs/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">nfs/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a> (aes256-cts-hmac-sha1-96) </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> My versions are: </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Fedora 17 (kernel 3.8.13-100.fc17.x86_64) </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> FreeIPA 2.2.2 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> krb5 1.10.2 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> nfs-utils 1.2.6 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> I have read of this issue being fixed by downgrading nfs-utils to 1.2.5; however that is not possible due to conflict with systemd. Everything else appears to work OK e.g. domain login, automap etc. When I try to mount the Kerberised NFS share, *nothing* appears in /var/log/krb5kdc.log </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Here is my syslog output when attempt the mount: </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: dir_notify_handler: sig 37 si 0x7fffe59b94f0 data 0x7fffe59b93c0 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: handling gssd upcall (/var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs/nfs/clnt48) </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: handle_gssd_upcall: 'mech=krb5 uid=0 enctypes=18,17,16,23,3,1,2 ' </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: handling krb5 upcall (/var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs/nfs/clnt48) </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: process_krb5_upcall: service is '<null>' </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: Full hostname for '<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://server.wasielewski.co.uk">server.wasielewski.co.uk</a>' is '<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://server.wasielewski.co.uk">server.wasielewski.co.uk</a>' </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: Full hostname for '<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://server.wasielewski.co.uk">server.wasielewski.co.uk</a>' is '<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://server.wasielewski.co.uk">server.wasielewski.co.uk</a>' </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: No key table entry found for <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:SERVER.WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK$@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">SERVER.WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK$@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a> while getting keytab entry for '<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:SERVER.WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK$@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">SERVER.WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK$@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a>' </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: No key table entry found for <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:root/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">root/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a> while getting keytab entry for '<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:root/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">root/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a>' </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: Success getting keytab entry for '<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nfs/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">nfs/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a>' </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: INFO: Credentials in CC '<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_machine_WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_machine_WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a>' are good until 1373659035 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: INFO: Credentials in CC '<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_machine_WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_machine_WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a>' are good until 1373659035 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: using <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_machine_WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_machine_WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a> as credentials cache for machine creds </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: using environment variable to select krb5 ccache <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_machine_WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_machine_WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: creating context using fsuid 0 (save_uid 0) </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: creating tcp client for server <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://server.wasielewski.co.uk">server.wasielewski.co.uk</a> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: DEBUG: port already set to 2049 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: creating context with server <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nfs@server.wasielewski.co.uk">nfs@server.wasielewski.co.uk</a> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: leaving poll </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: handling null request </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: svcgssd_limit_krb5_enctypes: Calling gss_set_allowable_enctypes with 7 enctypes from the kernel </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: sname = <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nfs/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK">nfs/server.wasielewski.co.uk@WASIELEWSKI.CO.UK</a> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: DEBUG: serialize_krb5_ctx: lucid version! </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: prepare_krb5_rfc4121_buffer: protocol 1 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: prepare_krb5_rfc4121_buffer: serializing key with enctype 18 and size 32 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: doing downcall </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: mech: krb5, hndl len: 4, ctx len 52, timeout: 1373659035 (71045 from now), clnt: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nfs@server.wasielewski.co.uk">nfs@server.wasielewski.co.uk</a>, uid: -1, gid: -1, num aux grps: 0: </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: sending null reply </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: writing message: \x \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! eb323e5616 bd7162e0ba4ec2d6037e3b3409be10410b2d3ffc0e2b1631b5dac718c3dfde170ec050bfc1dde657fcb7f35a7ef38e20477fea9d5f7e1320a77eef539455383080522686d1fbfb7bef8cb200dc8810c56e68bc25ad011aff3397781713aa8b696ec9f94843822449d1930b96530f69203840eab8d8398faf1286fde6edf7ef315489aa6621e1be8ea8375c52084895498f57183ccd0a104e7ac244a3fab12449144499a2308103e432c47d945f80e644f4df17271c0 1373588050 0 0 \x73000000 \x60819906092a864886f71201020202006f8189308186a003020105a10302010fa27a3078a003020112a271046f87a21e99d0907eadcd179fef73a8a4b38cb8180566d1f2cea453e28b7334b0648a543c3f2588a79f516f7d2238e1cca4ca5ec290b2a5d8b9d570ba47fdc20a2d36bc54928c3addba9b68867028c9adb157e487cc0951bc1270f9f1b96e643bb614589411cc923a9fbe5654beb20d85 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: finished handling null request </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.svcgssd[32135]: entering poll </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: DEBUG: serialize_krb5_ctx: lucid version! </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: prepare_krb5_rfc4121_buffer: protocol 1 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: prepare_krb5_rfc4121_buffer: serializing key with enctype 18 and size 32 </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Jul 12 01:13:10 server rpc.gssd[31628]: doing downcall </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Any advice is much appreciated. </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> Andrew </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> <blockquote type="CITE"> _______________________________________________ Freeipa-users mailing list <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Freeipa-users@redhat.com">Freeipa-users@redhat.com</a> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users</a> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="CITE"> </blockquote> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________ Freeipa-users mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Freeipa-users@redhat.com">Freeipa-users@redhat.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users</a></pre> </blockquote> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- Thank 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