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Re: [K12OSN] News Server



Well, This all started with a teacher wanting a news server for the purpose
of assignments. I dont want to use yahoo groups for various reasons and if
we were to setup a web based BB it would be in accessable from the outside
(Or password protected if it was). I happen to be one of the head devs for
the BB I am considering (myBB http://www.mybboard.com/) but still want a
news server to apise the teacher that is bugging me for it. I personally
think the teacher needs to find a better way to do it.

William J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henning Petersen Wangerin" <k12osn___at___listman redhat com hpc dk>
To: <k12osn redhat com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [K12OSN] News Server


> On Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:44:03 +1300, you wrote:
>
> > >Yeah, but what about someone hacking your file-server, and storing
> > >images there?
> >
> > You don't need to hack a K12LTSP system to put images on it - you just
> > put the images on it.
>
> What I ment was that if a user stores files on the server it's easier
> to track him down, than if someone breaks into you system.
>
> > Once the kids are using a news client, some smarty will pipe-up with a
> > remark like "you know you can do this at home ay...."  and there's lots
> > more groups out there than this..
>
> Correct, but it's not more dangerous than a http://URL to the same
> info - What parents do can _never_ be my responsability.
>
> > Most kids have never heard of usenet.
>
> Rigt, but I'd never refuse my kids acces to eg news:dk.* and other
> relevant groups. Filtering news:alt.* and/or news:*.bin.* is another
> matter.
>
> > Absolutely!  no problem!  but *IF*,  *one day* you have *any* firewall
> > breach, the kids have a tool in their hands that will cause more damage
> > than you want to dream about.
>
> Or your www-filter/proxy breaks.
>
> > I don't think it is necessary - different
> > story if it was a critical service viz HTTP..
>
> I'm talking of giving the users a choice in how to obtain their
> information.
>
> Some prefer a homepage (BBS-style), some prefer to do it via a mailing
> list, and some prefer it using a news server.
>
> In the ideal world I'd give my users all three posibilities, and let
> them chose, but ofcourse there is more work in making a system
> delivering all the (or more) possibilities.
>
> Ofcourse there are different security aspects on each methode, but not
> more that could be covered.
>
> > heh heh, most of that material is innapropriate, but pretty standard.
> >  Some articles available on usenet you will struggle to remove from your
> > mind for some time..
>
> Sure, but you can easealy block them, by denying access to/from your
> server in the ISP-line-firewall, and blocking external connection on
> the server itself (in case of the firewall is compromized)
>
> > My point is :  Why add an additional, non essential service when, if it
> > goes wrong, it will go very, very, wrong.
>
> I see a local protected news-server as a storage medium, just with
> another access method, not more - not less, but as in all other
> situations you have to look on the security of the server.
>
> > No other internet service
> > fits this category, except perhaps IRC.
>
> Are you blocking eg ICQ too? You could do that wih the same arguments?
>
> > As I have said, if you can do it securely, do share.  I gave up because
> > of security concerns.
>
> I don't see your your problem - the problem you are focusing on is the
> connection to the global usenet-system, witch is not being used on a
> local system.
>
> Furthermore many sites (microsoft / borland / etc) run specialized
> servers with a very limited number of groups.
>
> > I don't live in the US.
>
> Sorry - I wasn't looking on your mail-address ;-)
>
> > And I'm quite sure your commitment to kids
> > internet safety, at least equals mine.
>
> Sure.
>
> Not everything is suited for a kids eye on the net. Not on nntp, and
> not on http and nor on mail for that sake.
>
> --
> Venlig hilsen / Best regards
> Henning
>
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