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Re: [K12OSN] Privacy vs vendor support



how about setting up a page that people log their location into, "X
School, Place" and count those

or... do what pine does "may I report you as a user" type thing

Jason

On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 22:25, Eric Harrison wrote:
> I just rolled in from the National Educational Computing Conference (NECC).
> 
> One of the interesting problems we face when talking with vendors is 
> that they ask for number of users. Since it's open source, we don't
> really have any idea. We can tell them how many downloads we've had off
> our servers, but not off the various mirrors, or how many have been
> burned onto CDs and handed out, etc, etc.
> 
> We can see how many people are on the K12OSN list (850 last time I checked).
> We can see how many sites are syncing to the SquidGuard web filter black
> lists (~2,500). But we don't really know that the installed base of K12LTSP
> happens to be.
> 
> I'm a big privacy advocate myself, so I'm not very fond of the idea of
> installing spyware. On the other hand, it is really hard to get vendors
> to listen to us if we can't give them some sort of reasonable numbers.
> 
> The best idea I have so far is to create a package (maybe named something
> like "privacy_violator" ;-) that added an anacron job that ran once a
> month which did something like "wget -q http://k12ltsp.org/I_USE_K12LTSP";
> That would leave a log entry in the K12LTSP.org web server logs that 
> looked like this:
> 
> 12.34.56.78 - - [02/Jul/2003:19:11:43 -0700] "GET /I_USE_K12LTSP HTTP/1.0" 200 0
> 
> where "12.34.56.78" would be the IP address of the server (or the address of
> the NAT server).
> 
> This would give us a general idea of how many K12LTSP servers are in use
> while revealing as little information as possible (the IP address). It 
> would also be very easy to disable.
> 
> What you all think? Does anyone have a better idea?  Is a small decrease
> in privacy worth greater influence on vendors to help support us and/or
> port their software?
> 
> -Eric
> 
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