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Two things, please:
How do I update the cvs for apt-get?  I tried sudo apt-get selfupdate-cvs and a few variations thereof to no avail.
AND, where are the pkgs?
I have 
http://apt.freshrpms.net/redhat/9/en/i385/base/pkglist.os
"".updates
"".extra
"".freshrpms
..base/srclist.os
etc.
I got 404 Not Found

thanks,

tony b

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>   4. Primary grade Linus programs (Anna Do)
>   5. Re: Primary grade Linux programs (Dennis Daniels)
>   6. Re: ATTN: Redhat Developers (OT) (Julius Szelagiewicz)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:19:26 -0700 (PDT)
>From: James Jensen <jmsjnsnsatx yahoo com>
>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ATTN: Redhat Developers (OT)
>To: k12osn redhat com
>Reply-To: k12osn redhat com
>
>An interesting rant, and pre-apt-get for RPMs I have "felt the pain" on RH
>distros.  Debian (and derivatives) have always had the jump on RH with the
>real "apt-get".  Mandrake (know it or not) has definitely lead the way on
>RPM management with their packaging system (urpmi just plain works).  But
>I'd say that now, with RPM enabled apt-get, *what* is the problem?  Where's
>the grief?
>
>If you don't like that you can try Ximian's Redcarpet or RH's own RHN.  How
>about loading checkinstall and rolling your own apps from scratch? ;-)
>
>I've been through the pain of RH RPM dependencies, rounding up all the
>right RPMs and installing them in the right order.  That's one thing that
>made Mandrake so appealing--never had to deal with that.
>
>RPM hell is nothing compared to .dll hell of years gone by.  I think the
>stries in the openSource arena far and away beat what we've seen in the
>past...
>
>It will only get better.  I've been playing with Linux since RH 5.2.  The
>development curve has been simply incredible!
>
>Besides the QA behind the RH distros is second to none...
>
>Now if you really want to avoid RPM dependency issues, install Debian or
>Knoppix and be done with it...
>
>Or, if you have decent HW & a fast connection, there's always Gentoo...
>
>Packaging is not the problem, what you want is intelligent PACKAGE
>MANAGEMENT.  It's here and it's getting refined...
>
>James Jensen
>Spurs 1 - Nets 0
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>--- cwagnon redbugmail k12 ar us wrote:
>> First of all, let me say I am still a Redhat fan and Redhat remains my
>> Distro of choice. However, there has to be something done about the way
>> Redhat handles packages. Someone on another list summed it up best when
>> he
>> said:
>> 
>> Most other distros have a package system that's aware of what's needed
>> for
>> packages, is aware of where to get the dependencies, and is willing to
>> get
>> them and install them for you automatically. For what it's worth, this
>> very problem is why I quit using RedHat.
>> 
>> I can't help but agree with that point. The number one reason people stop
>> using Redhat (or never start in the first place) is because of the
>> package
>> management. I could go on and on but you get the idea of this message. I
>> think I am speaking for the entire community when I ask the developers:
>> Are there any plans for revamping the package management in Redhat? Must
>> we continue to strip out up2date and the such in order to replace it with
>> apt-get or another package? How much longer will "RPM hell" continue to
>> be
>> the blotch that runs so many away from the Redhat Linux Distribution?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Caleb Wagnon MCP A+
>> Network Administrator
>> Fordyce Public Schools
>> Fordyce, Arkansas 71742
>> (870) 352-2968
>> 
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:36:09 -0700 (PDT)
>From: James Jensen <jmsjnsnsatx yahoo com>
>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ATTN: Redhat Developers (OT)
>To: k12osn redhat com
>Reply-To: k12osn redhat com
>
>Gentoo *is* great, the software compiles specifically for the machine you
>are installing it on--on the fly.  BUT, you'd better have a fast connection
>and decent hardware (or you will wait for the compiles FOREVER).
>
>For those that want to USE their box today though, you may not want to go
>that route.  You're probably not going to install Debian or Slackware (as
>rock solid as they are), so where do you turn?  Mandrake, RedHat (and
>Knoppix if you don't mind a bit of tweaking once you get it on your HDD). 
>Yopper is very nice.  But this is OT.  I'm don't want to get into distro
>wars but gee guys, back when I started with GNU/Linux I compiled everything
>from scratch (without the beauty of Gentoo) so IMO it's like comparing
>broadband to my formerly well-used 56K modem--tracking down RPMS, vs,
>apt-get/urpmi.  Wazza problem?
>
>Linux has gone from geeks only to user-friendly in almost no time.  If you
>hate apt-get command line, use Synaptic.  Again, wazza problem?  I must be
>missing something here or maybe (looking at where we've been) I'm just
>happy with the rapid *progression* of the state of RPM Management tools...
>
>It's all good.  You hate RPMs, then there's always DEBs, Slack, or rolling
>your own...  Choice is a wonderful thing...
>
>James Jensen
>
>
>
>--- Quentin Hartman <qhartman lane k12 or us> wrote:
>>          This is exactly why I have abandoned Redhat on all linux
>> machines 
>> I control but my LTSP machine. My search for another distro started when
>> I 
>> got my iBook and decided I wanted to run Linux on it. I also decided at 
>> that point that if I could run the same distro on my iBook as I ran on my
>> 
>> desktop, it would be awfully nice. So the search began. I tried every
>> linux 
>> distro I could find that claimed even marginal support for both ppc and 
>> i386 architecture. After many installs, I ended up returning to one of
>> the 
>> first ones I tried, Gentoo.
>>          For those of you who don't know, Gentoo is a source-based 
>> meta-distribution, where every package that is installed is also compiled
>> 
>> on your system. See www.gentoo.org for more info. The biggest draw for 
>> Gentoo is their package system, Portage. It has to be one of, if not
>> _the_, 
>> most elegant and usable package management system I have ever used. An 
>> Order of magnitude more powerful than RPM, less arcane than APT; it is, 
>> IMHO, the closest thing the community currently has to a perfect package 
>> manager. Which is not to say that it _is_ perfect, it still has many 
>> weaknesses, but that is not the point of this post...
>>          I am currently working on a big server upgrade. I am replacing /
>> 
>> rebuilding a handful of servers, and adding a couple new ones to add new 
>> functionality. All told, I am installing or building 9 servers. I started
>> 
>> this with the intention of moving everything to RH 9. I made this choice 
>> because RH is the distro I really cut my teeth on and was therefor the
>> one 
>> I was most familiar with and also because of RH's good support. Well,
>> part 
>> way through setting up my third server, I got caught in dependency hell
>> yet 
>> again. Now you should know two things. First, IMHO, exactly what I was 
>> trying to install is beside the point; suffice it to say that it was a
>> very 
>> prominent (although complex) security monitoring program. I feel that it
>> is 
>> beside the point because I have been caught in RPM dependency hell more 
>> times than I can count for virtually every size and type of application
>> out 
>> there. This was simply the "straw that broke the camel's back". Second, a
>> 
>> year ago, I would have just fought through it like I had in the past. I 
>> would have just accepted it as part and parcel of the Linux experience.
>> An 
>> annoying side effect to using the software I like and believe in. This 
>> time, after spending 45 minutes fighting nested dependencies, I said
>> "fsck 
>> it" and started installing Gentoo.
>>          I am now about halfway done migrating all of my machines to 
>> Gentoo. It's taking a long time, since every package I install has to be 
>> compiled at least once. I think that is acceptable. While I "waste time" 
>> waiting for something to compile, someone else is "wasting time" fighting
>> 
>> dependencies. The difference is I can work on something else while
>> software 
>> is compiling, the dependency fighter cannot.
>>          This is turning more of a "Gentoo is great" rant than I had
>> wanted 
>> it to, so I'm going to reign myself in now. That was not my intent in 
>> posting this. I just wanted to echo the sentiment that package
>> management, 
>> especially in RPM -based systems, needs some very serious attention. I
>> know 
>> there are tools that make it easier, but in my experience, they have
>> proven 
>> buggy and unfinished. And besides, the "official" tools really should be 
>> the best, should they not? Especially in the world of OSS where there are
>> 
>> no legal constraints to keep the best code and features from being 
>> integrated into the "official" tools. Anyway, I guess the bottom line is 
>> that Redhat has lost in me a long-time user, customer, and advocate to 
>> another distro simply because of their infuriating package system. There 
>> HAS to be a better way, and maybe I will give them a try if they figure 
>> something out, but it may be too late.
>> 
>> -Quentin-
>> 
>> At 05:15 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>> >First of all, let me say I am still a Redhat fan and Redhat remains my
>> >Distro of choice. However, there has to be something done about the way
>> >Redhat handles packages. Someone on another list summed it up best when
>> he
>> >said:
>> >
>> >Most other distros have a package system that's aware of what's needed
>> for
>> >packages, is aware of where to get the dependencies, and is willing to
>> get
>> >them and install them for you automatically. For what it's worth, this
>> >very problem is why I quit using RedHat.
>> >
>> >I can't help but agree with that point. The number one reason people
>> stop
>> >using Redhat (or never start in the first place) is because of the
>> package
>> >management. I could go on and on but you get the idea of this message. I
>> >think I am speaking for the entire community when I ask the developers:
>> >Are there any plans for revamping the package management in Redhat? Must
>> >we continue to strip out up2date and the such in order to replace it
>> with
>> >apt-get or another package? How much longer will "RPM hell" continue to
>> be
>> >the blotch that runs so many away from the Redhat Linux Distribution?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Caleb Wagnon MCP A+
>> >Network Administrator
>> >Fordyce Public Schools
>> >Fordyce, Arkansas 71742
>> >(870) 352-2968
>> >
>> >
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>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:03:23 -0400
>From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." <microman cmosnetworks com>
>To: k12osn redhat com
>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting Macintosh Thin Clients
>Reply-To: k12osn redhat com
>
>With 5260's, I had an experience similar to Chuck's--the SONIC-T cards 
>won't work.  I used a Macsense, and it worked like a champ with Skip 
>Gaede's MkLinux kernel.  It's on http://www.ltsp.org/contrib, along with 
>directions to make it work.
>
>Note that, due to the 10Mb/Halfduplex operation, K12LTSP'ing the 5260's 
>won't be nearly as snappy as a newer G3/G4 w/ a 10/100 card, but it will 
>still outperform what the 5260 itself would do.  I've gotten it to work 
>at 640x480x256 colors only, though, but if you tell KDE to use small 
>icons, it actually looks pretty good.
>
>BTW, Skip's instructions recommend making a swap partition on the 
>5260's.  I've found that this isn't necessary.  However, my experience 
>is that, with the kernel you'll get on www.ltsp.org/contrib, you need 
>32MB DRAM for the MkLinux kernel to boot.  I think Chuck got it to work 
>with 16MB (I'd love to know how he did that--hint hint).
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>--TP
>
>Dennis Lundberg wrote:
>
>>I recall a discussion about booting Macintosh Thin Clients to a K12LTSP
>>server a while back but cannot find it. Can someone point me in the right
>>direction for Macintosh booting - if possible? I am looking at some 5260s
>>and G3s. 
>>
>>Dennis Lundberg
>>
>>
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>Message: 4
>From: "Anna Do" <annatd hotmail com>
>To: k12osn redhat com
>Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:06:31 -0400
>Subject: [K12OSN] Primary grade Linus programs
>Reply-To: k12osn redhat com
>
>I am a first grade teacher interested in exploring the potential of Linux 
>programs for the primary grades. Is there anyone else on this discussion 
>group with similar interests? I am looking for a Linux-based program similar 
>to Kid Pix that kids can use for painting.
>
>---Anna
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:24:29 -0700
>From: Dennis Daniels <ddaniels magic fr>
>Organization: ed tech teacher
>To: k12osn redhat com
>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Primary grade Linux programs
>Reply-To: k12osn redhat com
>
>I think you'll find this site/list interesting
>http://richtech.ca/seul/
>
>Seul.org is associated with k12 http://k12os.org/
>
>cheers
>Dennis
>
>Anna Do wrote:
>> I am a first grade teacher interested in exploring the potential of 
>> Linux programs for the primary grades. Is there anyone else on this 
>> discussion group with similar interests? I am looking for a Linux-based 
>> program similar to Kid Pix that kids can use for painting.
>> 
>> ---Anna
>> 
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>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:22:04 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Julius Szelagiewicz <julius turtle com>
>To: k12osn redhat com
>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ATTN: Redhat Developers (OT)
>Reply-To: k12osn redhat com
>
>Caleb,
>	for goodness sake, be pragmatic. Use up2date for k12 if you are in
>edu business, or if you are just in business, like i am, use up2date for
>quick security updates and apt-get for everything else. this is *not* a
>major hassle, unless you have many, many systems to maintain. if that's
>the case, get really godd at scripting and / or pay Ximian redcarpet.
>Again, it is not that bad, actually it is pretty darn good since Eric got
>ap-get and yum to be installed and configured by default. julius
>
>On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 cwagnon redbugmail k12 ar us wrote:
>
>> First of all, let me say I am still a Redhat fan and Redhat remains my
>> Distro of choice. However, there has to be something done about the way
>> Redhat handles packages. Someone on another list summed it up best when he
>> said:
>>
>> Most other distros have a package system that's aware of what's needed for
>> packages, is aware of where to get the dependencies, and is willing to get
>> them and install them for you automatically. For what it's worth, this
>> very problem is why I quit using RedHat.
>>
>> I can't help but agree with that point. The number one reason people stop
>> using Redhat (or never start in the first place) is because of the package
>> management. I could go on and on but you get the idea of this message. I
>> think I am speaking for the entire community when I ask the developers:
>> Are there any plans for revamping the package management in Redhat? Must
>> we continue to strip out up2date and the such in order to replace it with
>> apt-get or another package? How much longer will "RPM hell" continue to be
>> the blotch that runs so many away from the Redhat Linux Distribution?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Caleb Wagnon MCP A+
>> Network Administrator
>> Fordyce Public Schools
>> Fordyce, Arkansas 71742
>> (870) 352-2968
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>> Fordyce Public Schools Redbugmail System.
>>    "Fordyce----Home of the Redbugs!!"
>> http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us/
>>
>>
>>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:27:28 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Julius Szelagiewicz <julius turtle com>
>To: k12osn redhat com
>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ATTN: Redhat Developers (OT)
>Reply-To: k12osn redhat com
>
>Quentin,
>	did you contact RH? Not that they would fix all the problems right
>away, but at least they could get an earfull. Eric has done a tremendous
>job in making RH distro usable and dare i say, friendly. julius
>
>On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Quentin Hartman wrote:
>
>>          This is exactly why I have abandoned Redhat on all linux machines
>> I control but my LTSP machine. My search for another distro started when I
>> got my iBook and decided I wanted to run Linux on it. I also decided at
>> that point that if I could run the same distro on my iBook as I ran on my
>> desktop, it would be awfully nice. So the search began. I tried every linux
>> distro I could find that claimed even marginal support for both ppc and
>> i386 architecture. After many installs, I ended up returning to one of the
>> first ones I tried, Gentoo.
>>          For those of you who don't know, Gentoo is a source-based
>> meta-distribution, where every package that is installed is also compiled
>> on your system. See www.gentoo.org for more info. The biggest draw for
>> Gentoo is their package system, Portage. It has to be one of, if not _the_,
>> most elegant and usable package management system I have ever used. An
>> Order of magnitude more powerful than RPM, less arcane than APT; it is,
>> IMHO, the closest thing the community currently has to a perfect package
>> manager. Which is not to say that it _is_ perfect, it still has many
>> weaknesses, but that is not the point of this post...
>>          I am currently working on a big server upgrade. I am replacing /
>> rebuilding a handful of servers, and adding a couple new ones to add new
>> functionality. All told, I am installing or building 9 servers. I started
>> this with the intention of moving everything to RH 9. I made this choice
>> because RH is the distro I really cut my teeth on and was therefor the one
>> I was most familiar with and also because of RH's good support. Well, part
>> way through setting up my third server, I got caught in dependency hell yet
>> again. Now you should know two things. First, IMHO, exactly what I was
>> trying to install is beside the point; suffice it to say that it was a very
>> prominent (although complex) security monitoring program. I feel that it is
>> beside the point because I have been caught in RPM dependency hell more
>> times than I can count for virtually every size and type of application out
>> there. This was simply the "straw that broke the camel's back". Second, a
>> year ago, I would have just fought through it like I had in the past. I
>> would have just accepted it as part and parcel of the Linux experience. An
>> annoying side effect to using the software I like and believe in. This
>> time, after spending 45 minutes fighting nested dependencies, I said "fsck
>> it" and started installing Gentoo.
>>          I am now about halfway done migrating all of my machines to
>> Gentoo. It's taking a long time, since every package I install has to be
>> compiled at least once. I think that is acceptable. While I "waste time"
>> waiting for something to compile, someone else is "wasting time" fighting
>> dependencies. The difference is I can work on something else while software
>> is compiling, the dependency fighter cannot.
>>          This is turning more of a "Gentoo is great" rant than I had wanted
>> it to, so I'm going to reign myself in now. That was not my intent in
>> posting this. I just wanted to echo the sentiment that package management,
>> especially in RPM -based systems, needs some very serious attention. I know
>> there are tools that make it easier, but in my experience, they have proven
>> buggy and unfinished. And besides, the "official" tools really should be
>> the best, should they not? Especially in the world of OSS where there are
>> no legal constraints to keep the best code and features from being
>> integrated into the "official" tools. Anyway, I guess the bottom line is
>> that Redhat has lost in me a long-time user, customer, and advocate to
>> another distro simply because of their infuriating package system. There
>> HAS to be a better way, and maybe I will give them a try if they figure
>> something out, but it may be too late.
>>
>> -Quentin-
>>
>> At 05:15 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>> >First of all, let me say I am still a Redhat fan and Redhat remains my
>> >Distro of choice. However, there has to be something done about the way
>> >Redhat handles packages. Someone on another list summed it up best when he
>> >said:
>> >
>> >Most other distros have a package system that's aware of what's needed for
>> >packages, is aware of where to get the dependencies, and is willing to get
>> >them and install them for you automatically. For what it's worth, this
>> >very problem is why I quit using RedHat.
>> >
>> >I can't help but agree with that point. The number one reason people stop
>> >using Redhat (or never start in the first place) is because of the package
>> >management. I could go on and on but you get the idea of this message. I
>> >think I am speaking for the entire community when I ask the developers:
>> >Are there any plans for revamping the package management in Redhat? Must
>> >we continue to strip out up2date and the such in order to replace it with
>> >apt-get or another package? How much longer will "RPM hell" continue to be
>> >the blotch that runs so many away from the Redhat Linux Distribution?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Caleb Wagnon MCP A+
>> >Network Administrator
>> >Fordyce Public Schools
>> >Fordyce, Arkansas 71742
>> >(870) 352-2968
>> >
>> >
>> >-----------------------------------------
>> >Fordyce Public Schools Redbugmail System.
>> >    "Fordyce----Home of the Redbugs!!"
>> >http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us/
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>Message: 8
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:36:39 -0700 (PDT)
>From: James Jensen <jmsjnsnsatx yahoo com>
>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Primary grade Linus programs
>To: k12osn redhat com
>Reply-To: k12osn redhat com
>
>My kids looooove TuxPaint.
>
>James Jensen
>Spurs 1 - Nets 0
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>--- Anna Do <annatd hotmail com> wrote:
>> I am a first grade teacher interested in exploring the potential of Linux
>> 
>> programs for the primary grades. Is there anyone else on this discussion 
>> group with similar interests? I am looking for a Linux-based program
>> similar 
>> to Kid Pix that kids can use for painting.
>> 
>> ---Anna
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>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:13:10 -0700
>From: Bill Kendrick <nbs sonic net>
>To: k12osn redhat com
>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Primary grade Linus programs
>Reply-To: k12osn redhat com
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>On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 08:06:31PM -0400, Anna Do wrote:
>> I am looking for a Linux-based program similar 
>> to Kid Pix that kids can use for painting.
>
>I've written a program (with help from many others in the community)
>called "Tux Paint," which is often compared to Kid Pix.
>
>Never having USED Kid Pix, I can't really say if this comparison is
>accurate, but on the other hand, Tux Paint's free, so it's not like you're
>risking anything by trying it out. ;^)
>
>  http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/
>
>
>It's got quite a few settings/options, has been translated into over two-dozen
>languages, and runs on Linux, Solaris, BeOS, Windows and Mac OS X... so far...
>
>Let me know if it's what you're looking for! :^)
>
>-bill!
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