From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Apr 1 00:29:19 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:29:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can I apt-get from rawhide to fc2 when it is released? Message-ID: Hi, I've just read a couple of articles about the FC2 rawhide and would like to give it a whirl on a box. Is it possible to apt-get/update a rawhide box to a standard release- when the release comes out? I know this may not be a K12LTSP specific question, but I figured a few other may have wondered about this on this list and probably many here know the quick & dirty answer ;-) Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From JProdzinski at winona.edu Thu Apr 1 01:57:33 2004 From: JProdzinski at winona.edu (Prodzinski, Jeffrey P) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:57:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cheapy CPU upgrade Message-ID: $1.97 for a Celeron 366 Shipping is kinda high though.... http://www.dartek.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=571313&sku=CP2-CI366%20D&SRCCODE=DAREM003 Sorry if this isnt appropriate for the list. Chastise me and I wont do it again. From jneiffer at neiffer.com Thu Apr 1 02:33:13 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:33:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] cheapy CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually, shipping is reasonable when you buy in bulk. I saw this on one of the "hot deal" forums I read to try to score more cheap computer equipment I don't need and I immediately thought of K12LTSP. I wonder if we could find a source for cheap mobos? Jason -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Prodzinski, Jeffrey P Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:58 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] cheapy CPU upgrade $1.97 for a Celeron 366 Shipping is kinda high though.... http://www.dartek.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=571313 &sku=CP2-CI366%20D&SRCCODE=DAREM003 Sorry if this isnt appropriate for the list. Chastise me and I wont do it again. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at telus.net Thu Apr 1 02:53:21 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:53:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OO 1.1.1 faster with remote xserver Message-ID: <1080788001.406b84215d970@webmail.telus.net> Thought people would like to know that OpenOffice 1.1.1 is now faster with remote xserver. Here is the link. http://download.openoffice.org/1.1.1/issues_resolved_1.1.1.html It's the second fix listed. Click on ID 6044 to see details. Robert From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Apr 1 04:22:36 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:52:36 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? In-Reply-To: <1080750055.12140.2.camel@Jughead> References: <406ADCEE.2000308@inlandlakes.org> <1080745928.5761.3.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1080750055.12140.2.camel@Jughead> Message-ID: <1080793356.7627.5.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 21:50, pnelson wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 07:12, Dan Young wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 06:59, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Am I correct in thinking that as long as the server dishing out /home is > > > scsi with raid5, etc -- the LTSP servers themselves don't need to have > > > SCSI? I have a really nice server for /home (scsi 320 in raid5 array, > > > gig eth) but hope to have many "mini" labs that all mount /home via NFS. > > > > > > I am thinking that my concerns should be about CPU on the LTSP server, > > > and IDE for drives will be fine. Can anyone confirm this? > > > > I believe this is Paul Nelson's setup at Riverdale. > > > > -Dan Young > > -Parkrose School District > > > Yup... We have 4 application servers, dual Xeons, running K12LTSP 4.0.1 > with IDE drives. Each server NFS mounts /home. Once Mozilla and > OpenOffice is up and running, there's not much left for the drives to > do. These machines are used by about 115 clients. Sorry for my limited knowledge but a question here: If /home is NFS mounted the advantage (and speed) of having files and processing capabilities on the same server (read same bus) goes away and network traffic increases? So if users starts OO and the file is mounted from NFS then the additional time for file transfer will slow down things a bit....Please what is the PCI bus speed in comparison to NFS (100mbps or maybe newer 1000mbps)? Yes I can appreciate advantages of central file server but what is speed trade off? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 05:17:32 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:17:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Developers only: FC2 test 2 + k12ltsp ISOs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040401051732.99757.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> I just finished downloading FC2 test 2 and was wondering is there a rsync link to your new k12ltsp? --- Eric Harrison wrote: > > > I'm down to just one massive show-stopper bug ;-) > > There are still a huge number of > slightly-less-than-show-stopping > bugs... but I think it is close enough to at least > hope it is > pre-alpha quality! > > It slices, it dices, and for a limited-time-only, it > also may have > a "feature" or two that will whip your data into a > creamy froth! > > In other words, please immediately stop reading this > email, > hit the delete key, and pretend you never saw this. > > > > > > > > > For those of you who ignored my advice and are still > reading.... > here's a set of FC2t2/K12LTSP ISOs that have at > least a 20% chance > of not completely destroying your life and/or > computer: > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/distributions/ISO/fedora/ > > > This is FC2t2 + most of the Rawhide updates that > were released > this morning. > > > The big trick is to make sure you either DISABLE > SELinux, or > at least put it in WARN mode. You'll see this at the > bottom > of the Firewall section of the installer. If SELinux > is in > enforce mode, DHCP probably won't startup. (I'll > file a bug as > soon as I have the time to make sure that this is > not my own > fault....). Appending "enforcing=0" to the boot > parameters may > also do the trick. > > Other than that, it's been know to work at least > once ;-) > > Yum & apt need to be reconfigured. A couple packages > don't work > (I can't remember which off the top of my head). > Various other > things are either broken or work in such odd ways > that they might > as well be broken. In other words, it performs > pretty much as > you'd expect for pre-beta software. I'm using it on > two of the > three systems I use all-day-long and am happy with > the results > so far. > > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 1 06:43:31 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:43:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Developers only: FC2 test 2 + k12ltsp ISOs In-Reply-To: <20040401051732.99757.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Chris Thomas wrote: >I just finished downloading FC2 test 2 and was >wondering is there a rsync link to your new k12ltsp? Sorry, not at the moment. -Eric >--- Eric Harrison >wrote: >> >> >> I'm down to just one massive show-stopper bug ;-) >> >> There are still a huge number of >> slightly-less-than-show-stopping >> bugs... but I think it is close enough to at least >> hope it is >> pre-alpha quality! >> >> It slices, it dices, and for a limited-time-only, it >> also may have >> a "feature" or two that will whip your data into a >> creamy froth! >> >> In other words, please immediately stop reading this >> email, >> hit the delete key, and pretend you never saw this. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For those of you who ignored my advice and are still >> reading.... >> here's a set of FC2t2/K12LTSP ISOs that have at >> least a 20% chance >> of not completely destroying your life and/or >> computer: >> >> >> >ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/distributions/ISO/fedora/ >> >> >> This is FC2t2 + most of the Rawhide updates that >> were released >> this morning. >> >> >> The big trick is to make sure you either DISABLE >> SELinux, or >> at least put it in WARN mode. You'll see this at the >> bottom >> of the Firewall section of the installer. If SELinux >> is in >> enforce mode, DHCP probably won't startup. (I'll >> file a bug as >> soon as I have the time to make sure that this is >> not my own >> fault....). Appending "enforcing=0" to the boot >> parameters may >> also do the trick. >> >> Other than that, it's been know to work at least >> once ;-) >> >> Yum & apt need to be reconfigured. A couple packages >> don't work >> (I can't remember which off the top of my head). >> Various other >> things are either broken or work in such odd ways >> that they might >> as well be broken. In other words, it performs >> pretty much as >> you'd expect for pre-beta software. I'm using it on >> two of the >> three systems I use all-day-long and am happy with >> the results >> so far. >> >> >> -Eric >> From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 1 06:59:04 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:59:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? In-Reply-To: <1080793356.7627.5.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Sudev Barar wrote: >On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 21:50, pnelson wrote: >> On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 07:12, Dan Young wrote: >> > On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 06:59, Shawn Powers wrote: >> > > Am I correct in thinking that as long as the server dishing out /home is >> > > scsi with raid5, etc -- the LTSP servers themselves don't need to have >> > > SCSI? I have a really nice server for /home (scsi 320 in raid5 array, >> > > gig eth) but hope to have many "mini" labs that all mount /home via NFS. >> > > >> > > I am thinking that my concerns should be about CPU on the LTSP server, >> > > and IDE for drives will be fine. Can anyone confirm this? >> > >> > I believe this is Paul Nelson's setup at Riverdale. >> > >> > -Dan Young >> > -Parkrose School District >> > >> Yup... We have 4 application servers, dual Xeons, running K12LTSP 4.0.1 >> with IDE drives. Each server NFS mounts /home. Once Mozilla and >> OpenOffice is up and running, there's not much left for the drives to >> do. These machines are used by about 115 clients. > >Sorry for my limited knowledge but a question here: >If /home is NFS mounted the advantage (and speed) of having files and >processing capabilities on the same server (read same bus) goes away and >network traffic increases? So if users starts OO and the file is mounted >from NFS then the additional time for file transfer will slow down >things a bit....Please what is the PCI bus speed in comparison to NFS >(100mbps or maybe newer 1000mbps)? Yes I can appreciate advantages of >central file server but what is speed trade off? Paul has 1000mbps to his servers. But bandwidth is not the main issue in SCSI vs IDE, it is latency. Under heavy & random I/O, SCSI+NFS will still have significantly lower latency than local IDE. SCSI drives are "smart" about handling heavy random I/O, they will survive random-access patterns that will thrash a "dumb" IDE drive to a halt. LTSP servers often produce the types of random I/O patterns that are likely to cause IDE drives to fail. >From the reports I've seen so far, Serial ATA is much better at avoiding thrash-to-death scenarios, but it is still quite possible to put SATA under loads that it can't handle but SCSI drives can. I still highly recommend that K12LTSP servers use SCSI for /home. -Eric From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Apr 1 07:04:18 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:04:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? In-Reply-To: <1080793356.7627.5.camel@server.ltsp> References: <406ADCEE.2000308@inlandlakes.org><1080745928.5761.3.camel@dan.parkros e.k12.or.us><1080750055.12140.2.camel@Jughead> <1080793356.7627.5.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <64605.24.20.16.226.1080803058.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Sudev Barar said: > On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 21:50, pnelson wrote: >> Yup... We have 4 application servers, dual Xeons, running K12LTSP >> 4.0.1 >> with IDE drives. Each server NFS mounts /home. Once Mozilla and >> OpenOffice is up and running, there's not much left for the drives to >> do. These machines are used by about 115 clients. > > Sorry for my limited knowledge but a question here: > If /home is NFS mounted the advantage (and speed) of having files and > processing capabilities on the same server (read same bus) goes away and > network traffic increases? So if users starts OO and the file is mounted > from NFS then the additional time for file transfer will slow down > things a bit....Please what is the PCI bus speed in comparison to NFS > (100mbps or maybe newer 1000mbps)? Yes I can appreciate advantages of > central file server but what is speed trade off? Via gigabit, it's plenty fast enough, from my experience. Using your example, OOo is slow enough to load, I don't think pulling a 200k .sxw adds significantly. With a single channel, Ultra160 SCSI's theoretical throughput is 160MBps*8bits (1280 Mbps). Not all that much greater than Gb ethernet at 125MBps = 1000Mbps / 8bits. One thing I have thought about w/ NFS mounted homes is the temp files some apps put hidden ~/.foo directories. The GIMP can be reconfigured to swap to /tmp rather than ~/.gimp-1.2, but Mozilla writes it's browser cache to home. Seems lame to back that up every night. -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Apr 1 13:11:04 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:11:04 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? Message-ID: <040120041311.21367.406C14E8000CEE70000053772200748184FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> > One thing I have thought about w/ NFS mounted homes is the temp files > some apps put hidden ~/.foo directories. The GIMP can be reconfigured to > swap to /tmp rather than ~/.gimp-1.2, but Mozilla writes it's browser > cache to home. Seems lame to back that up every night. > Using rsync you can create an exclude list so that these are not backed up. I just use a wildcard approach and skip all directories with *cache* in the path. Another type of file to skip are core.* files which the staff seem to find a way to create. Other backup software has similar capabilities. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From webmaster at vol.org Thu Apr 1 13:58:18 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:58:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <406B565A.9080902@cmosnetworks.com> References: <3138.170.211.161.150.1080744026.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <406B565A.9080902@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1080827898.23876.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 17:38, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > I just don't understand the resistance to that kind of business case, > especially when we're in a $40+ million budget shortfall. Anyone? Fear of the unknown, risk avoidance, laziness and the focus on training for future employment rather than education. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From haysja at sages.us Thu Apr 1 14:16:45 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:16:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <1080827898.23876.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <3138.170.211.161.150.1080744026.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <406B565A.9080902@cmosnetworks.com> <1080827898.23876.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <406C244D.40403@sages.us> I started to answer this last night but didn't send it. My answer was similar to George's. Here is what I run into: "This is not what the kids will see in college or the work place." "My software (Accelerated Reader, Inspiration, etc) won't run on this." "Why change something that works?" "Macs are simply better and I can show you Total Cost of Ownership studies to back that up." (Of course, could these TCO studies have been done by Apple?) "There isn't a textbook for Open Office." Of course the "real" issues are: "I don't have time to learn something new." (Meaning, of course, "I really don't want to learn something new.") "I have never seen this before, so it must be bad." And the truly real issue: "Change is BAD." Of course, once our budget situation reached the stage where we started laying off teachers (last month), it will be easier to make these kind of changes. george kocke wrote: >On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 17:38, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > > >>I just don't understand the resistance to that kind of business case, >>especially when we're in a $40+ million budget shortfall. Anyone? >> >> > >Fear of the unknown, risk avoidance, laziness and the focus on training >for future employment rather than education. > > > From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Apr 1 14:47:35 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AA@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Hays [mailto:haysja at sages.us] >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:17 AM >> >> I started to answer this last night but didn't send it. My >> answer was similar to George's. Here is what I run into: >> >> "This is not what the kids will see in college or the work place." This is just plain wrong, at least the college part. Here's a quote from Mark Andreessen in BusinessWeek: "Another key thing to remember is that everyone coming out of college is familiar with Linux. It has over- whelming market share in colleges and universities. In every computer science program I'm aware of, it's the default language people teach on. They like it because it's open-source, and you can look at how it really works. The reason that's important is because those kids leaving college will enter the workforce and bring those skills to their employers." >> "Macs are simply better and I can show you Total Cost of Ownership >> studies to back that up." (Of course, could these TCO studies >> have been done by Apple?) >From the same article: "Most of the studies that show Linux is not cheaper have been funded by the old vendors. You'll typically find an analyst study that was paid for by Sun or Microsoft. That's compromised research. "What the customers will tell us, and I am not in the business of selling hardware or operating systems, is that they're saving a lot of money. Morgan Stanley has an 80-20 rule. That rule goes like this: They're replacing 80% of their Sun system with Intel boxes for 20% of the cost." http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2004/tc20040330_9468_tc167 .htm -- Henry Hartley From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 1 14:58:12 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:58:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AA@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <004401c417f9$c3d8d700$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> There needs to be more links/awareness/sites whatever to counter arguments such as this. It is handy to have this sort of stuff prepared/rehearsed, in order to immediately squash any disputes. It seems those TCO's use an employees time and lack of training to spike costs. They take advantage of assuming nobody understands Linux and that there are no preconfigured packages available unless you buy them. I do think there are still valid arguments for both sides in certain scenarios, but I would love to slap around the people who create these reports :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Henry Hartley Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:48 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Hays [mailto:haysja at sages.us] >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:17 AM >> >> I started to answer this last night but didn't send it. My answer >> was similar to George's. Here is what I run into: >> >> "This is not what the kids will see in college or the work place." This is just plain wrong, at least the college part. Here's a quote from Mark Andreessen in BusinessWeek: "Another key thing to remember is that everyone coming out of college is familiar with Linux. It has over- whelming market share in colleges and universities. In every computer science program I'm aware of, it's the default language people teach on. They like it because it's open-source, and you can look at how it really works. The reason that's important is because those kids leaving college will enter the workforce and bring those skills to their employers." >> "Macs are simply better and I can show you Total Cost of Ownership >> studies to back that up." (Of course, could these TCO studies have >> been done by Apple?) >From the same article: "Most of the studies that show Linux is not cheaper have been funded by the old vendors. You'll typically find an analyst study that was paid for by Sun or Microsoft. That's compromised research. "What the customers will tell us, and I am not in the business of selling hardware or operating systems, is that they're saving a lot of money. Morgan Stanley has an 80-20 rule. That rule goes like this: They're replacing 80% of their Sun system with Intel boxes for 20% of the cost." http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2004/tc20040330_9468_t c167 .htm -- Henry Hartley _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 3/31/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 3/31/2004 From jkinz at kinz.org Thu Apr 1 15:13:02 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:13:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cheapy CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: ; from jneiffer@neiffer.com on Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 07:33:13PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20040401101302.C25034@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 07:33:13PM -0700, Jason Neiffer wrote: > Actually, shipping is reasonable when you buy in bulk. I saw this on one of > the "hot deal" forums I read to try to score more cheap computer equipment I > don't need and I immediately thought of K12LTSP. I wonder if we could find > a source for cheap mobos? > > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Prodzinski, Jeffrey P > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:58 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] cheapy CPU upgrade > > $1.97 for a Celeron 366 Shipping is kinda high though.... > > http://www.dartek.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=571313 > &sku=CP2-CI366%20D&SRCCODE=DAREM003 > > Sorry if this isnt appropriate for the list. Chastise me and I wont do it > again. I'm skeptical of these CPU's. This site claims to only sell NEW units and these processors have been out of production for at least three years. The there is the warranty catch, QUOTE: ################################################################################ VERY IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING OUR RETURN POLICY ON CPU'S: Please note that all processors may be returned only for defective exchange. You must purchase a compatible heatsink and fan on the same order as the processor in order to preserve your warranty or exchange privilege. We are not able to accept returns for refunds on processors under any circumstances. ############################################################################### Dunno how much they for want heatsinks/fans (Especially since these cpus shouldn't need them.) > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz at kinz.org" is copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. From webmaster at vol.org Thu Apr 1 15:55:14 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:55:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AA@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AA@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1080834913.23876.36.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 08:47, Henry Hartley wrote: > >> "This is not what the kids will see in college or the work place." > This is just plain wrong, at least the college part. Here's a quote > from Mark Andreessen in BusinessWeek: > "Another key thing to remember is that everyone coming > out of college is familiar with Linux. That's a good point. However, it will be argued that the majority of college students are not computer science students and will therefore not be using Linux or that their use will be minimal. A very stupid argument, but I've heard it used. What needs to be done is to get people to stop focusing on training students in the exact steps needed to do something in a particular piece of software and to start teaching the concepts of that class of software. When I was fighting to keep using OpenOffice & LTSP last year, I had a couple of teachers complain that we were doing a disservice to our students (PK3 - 8th grade) because we were not training them to use Microsoft Word as the high schools expect. I tried to explain to them that learning the concepts of how to use a word processor is better than specific training in Word. In order to help convince them, I set up a Macintosh SE running a copy of Microsoft Works from around 1988. I showed them that a word processor from 1988 is basically the same as one from 2003. They weren't totally convinced, but I think it helped a bit. Having younger teachers is not always better. I'm dealing with one in her early 20s who is terrified of computers and one who calls HTML files "hotmail files." The one 20 something teacher we have who loves using Linux used to do BBSing on his Commodore 64. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Apr 1 16:16:26 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:16:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <406C244D.40403@sages.us> References: <3138.170.211.161.150.1080744026.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <406B565A.9080902@cmosnetworks.com> <1080827898.23876.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <406C244D.40403@sages.us> Message-ID: <1080836185.19551.9.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 06:16, Jim Hays wrote: > And the truly real issue: > "Change is BAD." +1 for that. This is the major barrier as I see it. That, and the deep seated notion that "Free" and "High Quality" are mutually exclusive. -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Apr 1 16:22:26 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:22:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? In-Reply-To: <040120041311.21367.406C14E8000CEE70000053772200748184FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> References: <040120041311.21367.406C14E8000CEE70000053772200748184FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1080836546.19551.17.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 05:11, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > Mozilla writes it's browser > > cache to home. Seems lame to back that up every night. > > Using rsync you can create an exclude list so that these are not > backed up. I just use a wildcard approach and skip all directories > with *cache* in the path. Another type of file to skip are core.* > files which the staff seem to find a way to create. Other backup > software has similar capabilities. Right. rdiff-backup has an --exclude switch. Looks like I should exclude: /home/*/.mozilla/*/*.slt/Cache -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From haysja at sages.us Thu Apr 1 16:36:41 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:36:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <1080834913.23876.36.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AA@remail2.westat.com> <1080834913.23876.36.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <406C4519.8030706@sages.us> george kocke wrote: >What needs to be done is to get people to stop focusing on training >students in the exact steps needed to do something in a particular piece >of software and to start teaching the concepts of that class of >software. > > > This is a fight that I have had with some of our faculty members for years. I try to tell them that we should be teaching the concepts behind each application area (word processing, spreadsheet, presentations, etc) instead of the particular software title (MS Word, Excel, Hyper Studio - my least favorite, etc.) Unfortunately, these software titles are so "ingrained" in people. People will look at you with a strange look if you talk about presentation software, but mention Power Point and they know exactly what you mean. It is a tough problem. From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Thu Apr 1 16:39:40 2004 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:39:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTS problem Message-ID: <406C45CC.1050105@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> I have installed the latest K12 software on a machine. I only have one NIC in the machine and I want client machines to use DHCP and get IP addresses from a different machine than the LTS machine. I read the FAQ and entered the lines about server name and Ip and filename in the the DHCP.conf file for one machine. I know that machine is getting an IP addy, but it gives a 'file not found' message. Any help? BK From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Apr 1 17:26:40 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:26:40 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? Message-ID: <040120041726.18543.406C50D0000E0E5E0000486F2200762302FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> > > files which the staff seem to find a way to create. Other backup > > software has similar capabilities. > > Right. rdiff-backup has an --exclude switch. Looks like I should > exclude: > > /home/*/.mozilla/*/*.slt/Cache > I think I have actually excluded the entire .mozilla directory, then through an include-list, specifically selected the bookmarks, but will have to check the exclude-list/include-list files tomorrow when I am at the school. And definitely look at excluding all cache files, mozilla is just the most obvious, but there are cache files associated with OOo (for printing) as well as others. I knocked over 4Gb off the backup just with cache and core.* file exclusion. (I have a cron job now that deletes all core.some_number each night as well) Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From pantz at lqt.ca Thu Apr 1 17:36:36 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:36:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? In-Reply-To: <040120041726.18543.406C50D0000E0E5E0000486F2200762302FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> References: <040120041726.18543.406C50D0000E0E5E0000486F2200762302FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <406C5324.50401@lqt.ca> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: >I knocked over 4Gb off the backup just with cache and core.* file exclusion. (I have a cron job now that deletes all core.some_number each night as well) > > > Can I ask what the core.* files are and where they come from? pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From tim at litwiller.net Thu Apr 1 17:36:37 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:36:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] several days ago Message-ID: <406C5325.20300@litwiller.net> there were some messages about recovering a windows password with a linux boot disc. I am not where I do any searching of my archive right now or get to the web. What was the boot cd distro , and procedure to do this? From james at mineralschool.net Thu Apr 1 17:40:04 2004 From: james at mineralschool.net (James Mayfield) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:40:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <1080836185.19551.9.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <3138.170.211.161.150.1080744026.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <406B565A.9080902@cmosnetworks.com> <1080827898.23876.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <406C244D.40403@sages.us> <1080836185.19551.9.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1080841203.2508.14.camel@laptop.thecomputer.net> Personally, I find it beyond disturbing to hear educators.. EDUCATORS!!.. being opposed to learning something new. Whats next? Surgeons who faint at the sight of blood? On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 08:16 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 06:16, Jim Hays wrote: > > And the truly real issue: > > "Change is BAD." > > +1 for that. This is the major barrier as I see it. That, and the deep > seated notion that "Free" and "High Quality" are mutually exclusive. > > -- > -Dan Young > -Parkrose School District > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Apr 1 17:48:18 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:48:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] several days ago In-Reply-To: <406C5325.20300@litwiller.net> References: <406C5325.20300@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <406C55E2.60606@msln.net> Repost from David Trask Hi all, I've had my first case of a forgotten admin password in Win XP. It's an oddball computer belonging to another agency that is housed in our building. Anyway....I forgot the admin password and cannot get into the machine, but a serach on the internet found a Linux solution for getting in....check it out here! http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 Tim Litwiller wrote: > there were some messages about recovering a windows password with a > linux boot disc. I am not where I do any searching of my archive > right now or get to the web. > > What was the boot cd distro , and procedure to do this? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From swienty at interia.pl Thu Apr 1 17:52:05 2004 From: swienty at interia.pl (Mariusz Swiatczak) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:52:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] several days ago References: <406C5325.20300@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <008601c41812$0d66dee0$da45119c@st25> Tim Litwiller wrote: > there were some messages about recovering a windows password with a > linux boot disc. I am not where I do any searching of my archive > right now or get to the web. here you are: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/ I used this for w2k and it works. Sugestion: better clear password than change it best regards Mariusz Swiatczak p.s. sorry for my poor english :) From tim at litwiller.net Thu Apr 1 17:50:41 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:50:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] several days ago In-Reply-To: <406C55E2.60606@msln.net> References: <406C5325.20300@litwiller.net> <406C55E2.60606@msln.net> Message-ID: <406C5671.3050008@litwiller.net> Thanks ! Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Repost from David Trask > > > Hi all, > > I've had my first case of a forgotten admin password in Win XP. It's an > oddball computer belonging to another agency that is housed in our > building. Anyway....I forgot the admin password and cannot get into the > machine, but a serach on the internet found a Linux solution for getting > in....check it out here! > http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > > Tim Litwiller wrote: > >> there were some messages about recovering a windows password with a >> linux boot disc. I am not where I do any searching of my archive >> right now or get to the web. >> >> What was the boot cd distro , and procedure to do this? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Apr 1 17:56:55 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:56:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? Message-ID: <040120041756.27338.406C57E700062C2A00006ACA2200748184FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> > > >I knocked over 4Gb off the backup just with cache and core.* file exclusion. (I > have a cron job now that deletes all core.some_number each night as well) > > > Can I ask what the core.* files are and where they come from? > The core.* files have names like core.4123342 (I think the number is the process id of the program that crashed) and are the results of application programs crashing (or some such). I have not been able to determine exactly how the teachers are causing them. I suspect that they are exiting rdesktop by just clicking on the X and not exiting the Windows TS correctly (because I can see Disconnected sessions in the TS manager). Also, the teachers (and students) tend to exit almost every other application the same way: Just click on the X, or click on the upper left of a window and choose Close for the window operation, as opposed to choosing the applications File --> Exit. This is a bad habit that I haven't been able to convince them to break since it works on Windows systems without obvious side-effects. Each core file tends to be about 50-60MB and I have seen a teacher create more than 10 of them in a single day. Eventually I will track it down, but for now I live with it! since I am only at the school on Fridays, have other more pressing issues to resolve and have a work-around for now. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Thu Apr 1 18:33:00 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:33:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC Message-ID: <1080844380.1864.5.camel@localhost> The biggest barrier that I run into is the "But my software won't run on that so we can't use that system" (end of discussion) The other is "But its not "" (insert Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Windows, etc...) The fact that it would save a lot of money doesn't seem to make it to their central processors. We also are going to start laying off teaching staff this year. We should really setup a web site that has links to documents and other info in defense of OS and LTSP. Something that tells a level (read honest, true) reality of them. -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District Frederic, WI 54837 (715) 327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us http://www.frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open, Are you?" From dloomis at cox-internet.com Thu Apr 1 18:44:32 2004 From: dloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:44:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client Project In-Reply-To: <20040401131116.CA07973ED4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040401131116.CA07973ED4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1080845071.1580.25.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> I am currently gearing up to see if Optoma 300 / ANT TC-5000 thin clients can be converted for use as LTSP clients. I will try reflashing the WinCE DiskOnChip with an Etherboot image. The terminals are readily available in quantity on eBay for $25-50. If this works, it could make it possible to get some very nice, silent, thin clients for very little cost. The thin clients come with 32 mb ram, but use standard pc100 SDRAM if more is needed. The network interface is provided by an onboard rtl-8139b. They are equipped with Geode 233mHz GXM processors and support chips that provide cpu, audio and video (VESA up to 1280x1024). If anyone is familiar with this chipset and can suggest possible settings for sound and video, I would appreciate it. I have ordered an ISA-bus chip carrier for use in reformatting and copying Etherboot onto the existing 8mb DiskOnChip. I will start with the standard etherboot floppy image. If that fails, I will use DOS and install etherboot.com on the chip. Anyone with experience using M-Systems' DiskOnChip feel free to offer suggestions, as this is all new to me. Dan Loomis From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 1 18:46:45 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:46:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <1080844380.1864.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <005601c41819$b188d440$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> -snip- We should really setup a web site that has links to documents and other info in defense of OS and LTSP. Something that tells a level (read honest, true) reality of them. -snip- I second the honest,true, impartial listing of pros/cons. I would like to not see a site with all pros or cons on a single sided event. I do believe there are benefits to any setup, be it Windows Mac or Linux based. I am also not opposed to mixed environments where applicable (and also complimentary to the pro/con list). But the truth of the reality is Linux can save a lot of money for struggling institutions. These places (along with the not struggling) need a non-biased comparison of overhead and useability. But at this point I am probably just blowing smoke, since I am not sure I have (or will make) the time to create such a list. But hopefully someone will, and won't make it a you suck we rule sort of argument. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 3/31/2004 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Apr 1 19:02:35 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:02:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <406C244D.40403@sages.us> References: <3138.170.211.161.150.1080744026.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <406B565A.9080902@cmosnetworks.com> <1080827898.23876.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <406C244D.40403@sages.us> Message-ID: <406C674B.9020807@elp.rr.com> If wine has been installed on the server/stand alone the both AR and Inspiration will run in the Linux environment. The answer to the "they won't see this in the real world" yes they will because user software is becoming operating system independent. Bye Pat Jim Hays wrote: > I started to answer this last night but didn't send it. My answer was > similar to George's. Here is what I run into: > > "This is not what the kids will see in college or the work place." > "My software (Accelerated Reader, Inspiration, etc) won't run on this." > "Why change something that works?" > "Macs are simply better and I can show you Total Cost of Ownership > studies to back that up." (Of course, could these TCO studies have > been done by Apple?) > "There isn't a textbook for Open Office." > > Of course the "real" issues are: > "I don't have time to learn something new." (Meaning, of course, "I > really don't want to learn something new.") > "I have never seen this before, so it must be bad." > > And the truly real issue: > "Change is BAD." > > Of course, once our budget situation reached the stage where we > started laying off teachers (last month), it will be easier to make > these kind of changes. > > > > george kocke wrote: > >> On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 17:38, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >> >> >> >>> I just don't understand the resistance to that kind of business >>> case, especially when we're in a $40+ million budget shortfall. >>> Anyone? >>> >> >> >> Fear of the unknown, risk avoidance, laziness and the focus on training >> for future employment rather than education. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Apr 1 19:04:20 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:04:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AA@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AA@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <406C67B4.6040605@elp.rr.com> If Macs ae better then why did Bill Gates buy 25% of the company? It was to keep M$ from having a true monopoly when Mac went bankrupt. Bye Pat Henry Hartley wrote: >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Jim Hays [mailto:haysja at sages.us] >>>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:17 AM >>> >>>I started to answer this last night but didn't send it. My >>>answer was similar to George's. Here is what I run into: >>> >>>"This is not what the kids will see in college or the work place." >>> >>> > >This is just plain wrong, at least the college part. Here's a quote >from Mark Andreessen in BusinessWeek: > > "Another key thing to remember is that everyone coming > out of college is familiar with Linux. It has over- > whelming market share in colleges and universities. In > every computer science program I'm aware of, it's the > default language people teach on. They like it because > it's open-source, and you can look at how it really > works. The reason that's important is because those > kids leaving college will enter the workforce and > bring those skills to their employers." > > > >>>"Macs are simply better and I can show you Total Cost of Ownership >>>studies to back that up." (Of course, could these TCO studies >>>have been done by Apple?) >>> >>> > >>From the same article: > > "Most of the studies that show Linux is not cheaper > have been funded by the old vendors. You'll typically > find an analyst study that was paid for by Sun or > Microsoft. That's compromised research. > > "What the customers will tell us, and I am not in the > business of selling hardware or operating systems, is > that they're saving a lot of money. Morgan Stanley > has an 80-20 rule. That rule goes like this: They're > replacing 80% of their Sun system with Intel boxes for > 20% of the cost." > >http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2004/tc20040330_9468_tc167 >.htm > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Apr 1 19:11:40 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:11:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <1080834913.23876.36.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AA@remail2.westat.com> <1080834913.23876.36.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <406C696C.7060109@elp.rr.com> I agree with teaching concepts. My students use Linux and OO in a large part of our school and Works, word, or other processor at home. They don't use floppies to save their work, they e-mail it to themselves and keep on trucking. There is no human-machine platform interface problem if we just get the adult naysayers out of the way and turn the kids loose. The biggest problem is making the adults get their feet wet. Bye Pat george kocke wrote: >On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 08:47, Henry Hartley wrote: > > > >>>>"This is not what the kids will see in college or the work place." >>>> >>>> > > > >>This is just plain wrong, at least the college part. Here's a quote >>from Mark Andreessen in BusinessWeek: >> >> > > > >> "Another key thing to remember is that everyone coming >> out of college is familiar with Linux. >> >> > > >That's a good point. However, it will be argued that the majority of >college students are not computer science students and will therefore >not be using Linux or that their use will be minimal. > >A very stupid argument, but I've heard it used. > >What needs to be done is to get people to stop focusing on training >students in the exact steps needed to do something in a particular piece >of software and to start teaching the concepts of that class of >software. > >When I was fighting to keep using OpenOffice & LTSP last year, I had a >couple of teachers complain that we were doing a disservice to our >students (PK3 - 8th grade) because we were not training them to use >Microsoft Word as the high schools expect. I tried to explain to them >that learning the concepts of how to use a word processor is better than >specific training in Word. In order to help convince them, I set up a >Macintosh SE running a copy of Microsoft Works from around 1988. I >showed them that a word processor from 1988 is basically the same as one >from 2003. They weren't totally convinced, but I think it helped a bit. > >Having younger teachers is not always better. I'm dealing with one in >her early 20s who is terrified of computers and one who calls HTML files >"hotmail files." The one 20 something teacher we have who loves using >Linux used to do BBSing on his Commodore 64. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Apr 1 21:03:52 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:03:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <406C696C.7060109@elp.rr.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AA@remail2.westat.com> <1080834913.23876.36.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <406C696C.7060109@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <406C83B8.8090006@glenwood.k12.mo.us> OK I'll chime in now. Sorry, I deleted all the previous discourse - it was getting lengthy... I have one Win98 lab with 24 boxes. Two K12LTSP labs (10 boxes & 6 boxes). My 8th graders (who regularly use both the Win98 and K12LTSP labs) actually request for me to change the win98 machines over to RedHat! These are kids who had NEVER used Linux before until this year! They are requesting for me to put more RedHat boxes in the school. They are taking OpenOffice CDs home to install there (and GIMP and Mozilla also). I asked them why they wanted the switch. The responses have mostly been because they can customize their desktops; their files are easily available; the systems don't crash; AND it's easy to use! Whaddya think of that, eh? -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From anthony.luscre at neonet.k12.oh.us Thu Apr 1 21:45:05 2004 From: anthony.luscre at neonet.k12.oh.us (mo_luscre) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:45:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC Message-ID: <4054C0A9@neonet.k12.oh.us> As part of our program to provide productivity tool software to all of our students and staff, I have created a notebook with a CD of open source software for them to check out of our libraries. In the not book there is a description of OSS. As part of the notebook I created the following chart. I have converted it to a web page comparing Open Source vs. Commercial Software http://www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us/oss_comparison.html. I know this does not really address operating systems but feel free to use it as a starting point. >===== Original Message From Jim Kronebusch ===== >-snip- >We should really setup a web site that has links to documents and other >info in defense of OS and LTSP. Something that tells a level (read >honest, true) reality of them. >-snip- > >I second the honest,true, impartial listing of pros/cons. I would like >to not see a site with all pros or cons on a single sided event. I do >believe there are benefits to any setup, be it Windows Mac or Linux >based. I am also not opposed to mixed environments where applicable >(and also complimentary to the pro/con list). But the truth of the >reality is Linux can save a lot of money for struggling institutions. >These places (along with the not struggling) need a non-biased >comparison of overhead and useability. > >But at this point I am probably just blowing smoke, since I am not sure >I have (or will make) the time to create such a list. But hopefully >someone will, and won't make it a you suck we rule sort of argument. > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 3/31/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Anthony Luscre Technology Director Mogadore Local Schools From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Apr 1 22:00:24 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:00:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing Message-ID: I think that I read a message from David Trask about the .mozilla folder being a waste to backup. I don't remember just what the message was about, but I've been wondering how to dump the .mozilla/.../Cache folder before my nightly rsync. I've got a 40 gig drive for backup and my 750 students now have 40 gigs of data, well, almost! I am using IPCop with content filtering to control my internet traffic, but the Cache folders are holding piles of garbage... Does anyone have a script that can find all of the .mozilla Cache folders and rm -rf them from /home? Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee? Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From shawn at nccsc.k12.in.us Thu Apr 1 22:09:18 2004 From: shawn at nccsc.k12.in.us (Shawn Iverson) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:09:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC Message-ID: I am responding to this thread because I am deeply concerned that the school system at which I work will be throwing away the ability to pursue opensource soon. The school system wants to upgrade this network of 1200+ computers spanning 7 elementary schools, 1 middle school, and 1 high school to Windows Server 2003 from NT 4. The network is almost entirely M$ (no surprise huh?). I recommended turning over to Samba instead of a Windows upgrade, but that idea didn't sink in. Furthermore, I and an intern tried making an opensource email server that could replace Exchange, but that didn't work because the new server lacked such features as automatic name/address completion (when a user's name is partially typed into the "To:" box in Outlook). Since I am unfamiliar with databases such as LDAP, I could not provide an alternative to the Windows Global Directory either. I noticed a while back that M$ released their Windows Services for Unix for free (?). The details of this service were unbelievable and seemed that it would fulfill everything I need to integrate Linux into the existing environment. Upon closer inspection I found that M$ requires a CAL for any machine, Windows or not, utilizing a Windows server service. Furthermore, my boss is requiring that in order for Linux to be used, the user name/password must the same as in the Windows environment, and it must provide access to the same home directories. I have successfully done this using pam_winbind and pam_mount, but apparently going this route would require CALs too and may not even work at all with AD. It doesn't look like the domain controllers and the file servers will be replaced with opensource alternatives anytime soon. On Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:17 AM Jim Hays wrote: > I started to answer this last night but didn't send it. My answer was > similar to George's. Here is what I run into: > > "This is not what the kids will see in college or the work place." > "My software (Accelerated Reader, Inspiration, etc) won't run on this." I am having problems involving just these two. The school system here will not let its grip loose on these applications. Furthermore, I have been unsuccessful in getting these apps to run under wine, especially from a Windows network server, as it is set up here. Another one is KidPix. Tux Paint would have worked just fine, but no, that wouldn't do because everything was organized differently. From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Apr 1 22:20:28 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:20:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AD@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Christiansen [mailto:christiansen_j at hotmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:00 PM >> >> Does anyone have a script that can find all of the .mozilla >> Cache folders and rm -rf them from /home? How about something like this: WARNING, this has not been tested. I accept no responsibility if it deletes all files on your drive. find / -regex .*\.mozilla.*Cache.* -exec rm '-fR' '{}' ';' -- Henry Hartley From goblin at scooter.co.nz Thu Apr 1 23:24:57 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (MrGoblin) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:24:57 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AD@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AD@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <406CA4C9.8080306@scooter.co.nz> Henry Hartley wrote: >>>Does anyone have a script that can find all of the .mozilla >>>Cache folders and rm -rf them from /home? > > > How about something like this: > > WARNING, this has not been tested. I accept no responsibility if it deletes > all files on your drive. > > find / -regex .*\.mozilla.*Cache.* -exec rm '-fR' '{}' ';' > Wouldn't adding '--exclude ".mozilla/"' to your rsync commandline be a much nicer way of handling this ? rsync also accepts '--exclude-from=exclude.list' where "exclude.list" is a list of files and or directories to be excluded. man rsync and look for the "EXCLUDE PATTERNS" section mRgOBLIN From goblin at scooter.co.nz Thu Apr 1 23:37:34 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (MrGoblin) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:37:34 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing In-Reply-To: <406CA4C9.8080306@scooter.co.nz> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AD@remail2.westat.com> <406CA4C9.8080306@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <406CA7BE.7030209@scooter.co.nz> MrGoblin wrote: Umm correcting my own post here :) > Wouldn't adding '--exclude ".mozilla/"' to your rsync commandline be a > much nicer way of handling this ? --exclude ".mozilla/*/*/Cache/" Will just exclude the Cache directories as you asked :) mRgOBLIN From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 2 00:25:29 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:25:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Question In-Reply-To: <406C5671.3050008@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <000501c41849$00d2a2e0$1803010a@paasda.org> I recently(2 days ago) lost my novell file server *blessing in disguise?* I got the mail system back up and would like to utilize samba with a k12ltsp solution to NUDGE semi-forcefully k12ltsp into the mix... My current situation is I need samba to work with windows 98, mac os 9 and X, windows xp pro... On windows 98 and xp pro machines I can SEE the LTSP server icon sit'n there but when I click on it to access it I receive an error that: //ltspserver is not available. The network path was not found. Any hints? If my smb.conf file might be an issue I'll post a follow-up --Huck From norm at turing.une.edu.au Fri Apr 2 00:29:00 2004 From: norm at turing.une.edu.au (Norman Gaywood) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:29:00 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? In-Reply-To: <040120041756.27338.406C57E700062C2A00006ACA2200748184FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> References: <040120041756.27338.406C57E700062C2A00006ACA2200748184FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040402002900.GB32342@turing.une.edu.au> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 05:56:55PM +0000, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > >I knocked over 4Gb off the backup just with cache and core.* file exclusion. (I > > have a cron job now that deletes all core.some_number each night as well) > > > > > Can I ask what the core.* files are and where they come from? > > The core.* files have names like core.4123342 (I think the number is the process id of the program that crashed) and are the results of application programs crashing (or some such). I have not been able to determine exactly how the teachers are causing them. I suspect that they are exiting rdesktop by just clicking on the X and not exiting the Windows TS correctly (because I can see Disconnected sessions in the TS manager). Also, the teachers (and students) tend to exit almost every other application the same way: Just click on the X, or click on the upper left of a window and choose Close for the window operation, as opposed to choosing the applications File --> Exit. This is a bad habit that I haven't been able to convince them to break since it works on Windows systems without obvious side-effects. Each core file tends to be about 50-60MB and I have seen a teacher create more than 10 of them in a single day. Eventually I will track it down, but for now I live with ! it! > since I am only at the school on Fridays, have other more pressing issues to resolve and have a work-around for now. On a command line, try doing a: file core.* That will tell you what application is generating the core files. -- Norman Gaywood, Systems Administrator School of Mathematics, Statistics and Computer Science University of New England, Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia norm at turing.une.edu.au Phone: +61 (0)2 6773 2412 http://turing.une.edu.au/~norm Fax: +61 (0)2 6773 3312 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 2 00:53:53 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:53:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Question In-Reply-To: <000501c41849$00d2a2e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <000601c4184c$f9bcd620$1803010a@paasda.org> Forget this question... My student assistant had been playing with "firewall stuff". So we both learned something today! =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:25 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Question I recently(2 days ago) lost my novell file server *blessing in disguise?* I got the mail system back up and would like to utilize samba with a k12ltsp solution to NUDGE semi-forcefully k12ltsp into the mix... My current situation is I need samba to work with windows 98, mac os 9 and X, windows xp pro... On windows 98 and xp pro machines I can SEE the LTSP server icon sit'n there but when I click on it to access it I receive an error that: //ltspserver is not available. The network path was not found. Any hints? If my smb.conf file might be an issue I'll post a follow-up --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Apr 2 01:29:49 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:29:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? Message-ID: <040220040129.22201.406CC20D000DAE25000056B92200734748FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> > On a command line, try doing a: > > file core.* > > That will tell you what application is generating the core files. > Thanks! Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Apr 2 01:36:35 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:36:35 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing Message-ID: <040220040136.23737.406CC3A3000B90E100005CB92200762302FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Jim, I have a script that might work, but I will have to get it when at the school tomorrow. (I can't remember the syntax, but I am sure it isn't as pretty or short as some that the gurus will suggest). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > I think that I read a message from David Trask about the .mozilla folder > being a waste to backup. I don't remember just what the message was about, > but I've been wondering how to dump the .mozilla/.../Cache folder before my > nightly rsync. I've got a 40 gig drive for backup and my 750 students now > have 40 gigs of data, well, almost! > > I am using IPCop with content filtering to control my internet traffic, but > the Cache folders are holding piles of garbage... > > Does anyone have a script that can find all of the .mozilla Cache folders > and rm -rf them from /home? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee? Security : 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http:// > hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Apr 2 02:08:10 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:08:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing Message-ID: Hi Dave, I canned my nightly rsync backup directory (the server better not crash tonight!) and added --exclude=Cache to the rsync syntax. Maybe this will work?? Oh, sure, I'ld like to try your script, too. Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee? Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 2 02:13:10 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:13:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Question In-Reply-To: <000501c41849$00d2a2e0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000501c41849$00d2a2e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <406CCC36.8050405@cmosnetworks.com> For the Mac OS 9 boxes, you might find Netatalk useful. It is for AppleTalk like Samba is for SMB/Windows. --TP Huck wrote: >I recently(2 days ago) lost my novell file server *blessing in >disguise?* > >I got the mail system back up and would like to utilize samba with a >k12ltsp solution to NUDGE semi-forcefully k12ltsp into the mix... >My current situation is I need samba to work with windows 98, mac os 9 >and X, windows xp pro... > >On windows 98 and xp pro machines I can SEE the LTSP server icon sit'n >there but when I click on it to access it I receive an error that: >//ltspserver is not available. >The network path was not found. > > >Any hints? >If my smb.conf file might be an issue I'll post a follow-up > >--Huck > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 2 02:23:03 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:23:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cheapy CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: <20040401101302.C25034@redline.comcast.net> References: <20040401101302.C25034@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <406CCE87.3010606@cmosnetworks.com> Actually, they do need them. Any CPU beyond an 80486DX-33 needs at least a heatsink, and any Intel or AMD CPU beyond 200MHz definitely needs a heatsink/fan combination. The VIA C3's and Transmeta's can get away with a really big heatsink alone, but not those from Intel and AMD. Remember, those older chips used a larger die size per transistor, and thus generated more heat, than if that same Celeron-366 were to use the current 0.13 micron process of today. I've seen other vendors selling new Athlon and P4 CPUs that also will not warranty them unless you buy a heatsink/fan and install it right, so these folks aren't unique in that regard. It would indeed be interesting to see their heatsink prices, though. And yes, it would make for one heck of a thin client. All you need is a toaster oven. :-) --TP Jeff Kinz wrote: >I'm skeptical of these CPU's. This site claims to only sell NEW units >and these processors have been out of production for at least three >years. The there is the warranty catch, QUOTE: >################################################################################ >VERY IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING OUR RETURN POLICY ON CPU'S: Please note >that all processors may be returned only for defective exchange. You >must purchase a compatible heatsink and fan on the same order as the >processor in order to preserve your warranty or exchange privilege. We >are not able to accept returns for refunds on processors under any >circumstances. >############################################################################### > >Dunno how much they for want heatsinks/fans (Especially since these cpus >shouldn't need them.) > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 2 02:24:55 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:24:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTS problem In-Reply-To: <406C45CC.1050105@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> References: <406C45CC.1050105@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <406CCEF7.5060900@cmosnetworks.com> I do it exactly this way. In my case, the DHCP server is a Cisco router, and info on this is in the K12OSN mailing list archives. Have a looksee! --TP Brandon Kovach wrote: > I have installed the latest K12 software on a machine. I only have > one NIC in the machine and I want client machines to use DHCP and get > IP addresses from a different machine than the LTS machine. I read > the FAQ and entered the lines about server name and Ip and filename in > the the DHCP.conf file for one machine. I know that machine is > getting an IP addy, but it gives a 'file not found' message. Any help? > > BK > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Apr 2 02:54:14 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:24:14 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing In-Reply-To: <406CA7BE.7030209@scooter.co.nz> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AD@remail2.westat.com> <406CA4C9.8080306@scooter.co.nz> <406CA7BE.7030209@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <1080874454.22073.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 05:07, MrGoblin wrote: > MrGoblin wrote: > > Umm correcting my own post here :) > > > Wouldn't adding '--exclude ".mozilla/"' to your rsync commandline be a > > much nicer way of handling this ? > > --exclude ".mozilla/*/*/Cache/" > > Will just exclude the Cache directories as you asked :) > --exclude-from=file is a better option as not only you can exclude mozilla but also lot of other patterns that are not really needed for backup. Contents of my exclude file are: *OpenOffice* *Desktop* *evolution* .* *.exe *.dll *.sys *.ini *.com *.EXE *.DLL *.SYS *.INI *.COM *windows* *.CAB *.cab This way we are able to cut down on rsync even when doing it for servers that are serving win clients. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 2 03:20:16 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:20:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080876016.13646.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 16:00, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I think that I read a message from David Trask about the .mozilla folder > being a waste to backup. I don't remember just what the message was about, > but I've been wondering how to dump the .mozilla/.../Cache folder before my > nightly rsync. I've got a 40 gig drive for backup and my 750 students now > have 40 gigs of data, well, almost! >From the department of redundancy department... it really is worth the trouble to set up backuppc: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/. It will compress the backup copy and even if you don't exclude the cache files it will automatically collapse the identical copies so you only need backup space for one compressed version. If there is a lot of duplication in the other files you'll probably be able to keep a couple of weeks history on line. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Apr 2 07:39:16 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:39:16 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Question about shared memory usage in K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <405F87CE.5030706@cfl.rr.com> References: <405F87CE.5030706@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040402073916.GA10442@wizzy.com> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Brian Chase wrote: > I have read in the K12LTSP distro's documentation that you > can allow workstations to run applications using their own > RAM. From what I can tell, that's all or nothing, hoping > I'm wrong. > > When you configure LTSP to run applications locally on a > given workstation, is the system smart enough to borrow > memory from the server for larger applications that the thin > client doesn't have enough memory to run, or is it stuck > with the local RAM to try and get everything done forevermore? No direct experience .. However, my understanding is that it is not all-or-nothing. For most apps, they run on the server, display on the client - regular LTSP style. However, you can pick certain local apps (a browser comes to mind) that run locally (invoked by rsh, a very insecure remote shell protocol) but talk to your window manager (on the server) and then to the local display. It is just as easy (and quick?) to run a browser on /some other/ client computer for your own purpose. The 'icon' or whatever (on the server desktop) would execute :- rsh netscape -display $DISPLAY or something similar. Corrections welcomed. Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ From valdur at eys.ee Fri Apr 2 09:58:07 2004 From: valdur at eys.ee (Valdur Kadakas) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:58:07 +0200 (EET) Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? In-Reply-To: <040220040129.22201.406CC20D000DAE25000056B92200734748FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> References: <040220040129.22201.406CC20D000DAE25000056B92200734748FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: You can completely get rid of core.* files by ulimit -S -c 0 > /dev/null 2>&1 This is a defaul setting on Fedora (/etc/profile). regards, Valdur On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > On a command line, try doing a: > > > > file core.* > > > > That will tell you what application is generating the core files. > > > > Thanks! > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Fri Apr 2 10:08:31 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:08:31 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Purge unused processes References: <406C45CC.1050105@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> <406CCEF7.5060900@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <003a01c4189a$8192faa0$42c6dbcb@workstation> Can someone please remind me how to delete a users processes once logged off. I know there is a command PURGE_PROCESS something but have forgotten. From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Fri Apr 2 13:45:40 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:45:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <20040402013650.3DAA57391D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040402013650.3DAA57391D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1080913540.1839.22.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 19:36, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:09:18 -0500 > From: Shawn Iverson > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain > > I am responding to this thread because I am deeply concerned that the school > system at which I work will be throwing away the ability to pursue > opensource soon. The school system wants to upgrade this network of 1200+ > computers spanning 7 elementary schools, 1 middle school, and 1 high school > to Windows Server 2003 from NT 4. The network is almost entirely M$ (no > surprise huh?). > > I recommended turning over to Samba instead of a Windows upgrade, but that > idea didn't sink in. Furthermore, I and an intern tried making an > opensource email server that could replace Exchange, but that didn't work > because the new server lacked such features as automatic name/address > completion (when a user's name is partially typed into the "To:" box in > Outlook). Since I am unfamiliar with databases such as LDAP, I could not > provide an alternative to the Windows Global Directory either. > In place of AD you might want to look at Novell's eDirectory. It runs on Linux. As for the mail server try using a directory driven one like Novell's Groupwise, OpenGroupware.org (pain to setup last I tried), Oracle Colaboration Suite, Sun's mail server (wouldn't recommend this one), Sendmail, etc. Then use a client that will interface with it like Evolution, OpenGroupware.org has a web interface, Novell has both a client and a web interface, sendmail has a web interface, sun has a web interface (again wouldn't recommend this one), etc. and they can all run on Linux. :) > I noticed a while back that M$ released their Windows Services for Unix for > free (?). The details of this service were unbelievable and seemed that it > would fulfill everything I need to integrate Linux into the existing > environment. Upon closer inspection I found that M$ requires a CAL for any > machine, Windows or not, utilizing a Windows server service. Furthermore, > my boss is requiring that in order for Linux to be used, the user > name/password must the same as in the Windows environment, and it must > provide access to the same home directories. I have successfully done this > using pam_winbind and pam_mount, but apparently going this route would > require CALs too and may not even work at all with AD. It doesn't look like > the domain controllers and the file servers will be replaced with opensource > alternatives anytime soon. > On windows services for UNIX you should be aware that this is minimal communication and not real time in either direction. At least not when I tried it. I've played around with pam_windbind and it works but not great. > On Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:17 AM Jim Hays wrote: > > I started to answer this last night but didn't send it. My answer was > > similar to George's. Here is what I run into: > > > > "This is not what the kids will see in college or the work place." > > "My software (Accelerated Reader, Inspiration, etc) won't run on this." > > I am having problems involving just these two. The school system here will > not let its grip loose on these applications. Furthermore, I have been > unsuccessful in getting these apps to run under wine, especially from a > Windows network server, as it is set up here. Another one is KidPix. Tux > Paint would have worked just fine, but no, that wouldn't do because > everything was organized differently. > This is the number one problem I see for K-12 adoption. The lack of, or apparent lack of, kids (learning) software titles. Especially since there are so many of the legacy titles still being used in which the manufacturer does not even make them anymore. It would be great if we could find open source counterparts for these but I'm still looking. Also if anyone knows how I could access my library catalog for Linux I would be grateful. We use Sagebrush Spectrum 5.2 and upgrading to the web version is too expensive. Thanks, -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District Frederic, WI 54837 (715) 327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us http://www.frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open, Are you?" From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Apr 2 13:47:55 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:47:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am I just missing something here? I see many posts about mixing Windows and linux (*nix) (oss servers) and keeping the same home directories and etc. unless I am just missing something, what is so hard? I have windows users using linux (samba) servers and they use the same home directories on the server they could use under linux on the same servers. I use either, and have no problems finding my data no matter which workstation OS is being used (a terminal with K12LTSP, W98, WXP or W2K). Please enlighten me about all the fuss about home directories. . . Doug On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Shawn Iverson wrote: > I am responding to this thread because I am deeply concerned that the school > system at which I work will be throwing away the ability to pursue > opensource soon. The school system wants to upgrade this network of 1200+ > computers spanning 7 elementary schools, 1 middle school, and 1 high school > to Windows Server 2003 from NT 4. The network is almost entirely M$ (no > surprise huh?). > > I recommended turning over to Samba instead of a Windows upgrade, but that > idea didn't sink in. Furthermore, I and an intern tried making an > opensource email server that could replace Exchange, but that didn't work > because the new server lacked such features as automatic name/address > completion (when a user's name is partially typed into the "To:" box in > Outlook). Since I am unfamiliar with databases such as LDAP, I could not > provide an alternative to the Windows Global Directory either. > > I noticed a while back that M$ released their Windows Services for Unix for > free (?). The details of this service were unbelievable and seemed that it > would fulfill everything I need to integrate Linux into the existing > environment. Upon closer inspection I found that M$ requires a CAL for any > machine, Windows or not, utilizing a Windows server service. Furthermore, > my boss is requiring that in order for Linux to be used, the user > name/password must the same as in the Windows environment, and it must > provide access to the same home directories. I have successfully done this > using pam_winbind and pam_mount, but apparently going this route would > require CALs too and may not even work at all with AD. It doesn't look like > the domain controllers and the file servers will be replaced with opensource > alternatives anytime soon. > > On Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:17 AM Jim Hays wrote: > > I started to answer this last night but didn't send it. My answer was > > similar to George's. Here is what I run into: > > > > "This is not what the kids will see in college or the work place." > > "My software (Accelerated Reader, Inspiration, etc) won't run on this." > > I am having problems involving just these two. The school system here will > not let its grip loose on these applications. Furthermore, I have been > unsuccessful in getting these apps to run under wine, especially from a > Windows network server, as it is set up here. Another one is KidPix. Tux > Paint would have worked just fine, but no, that wouldn't do because > everything was organized differently. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 2 14:08:59 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:08:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <1080913540.1839.22.camel@localhost> References: <20040402013650.3DAA57391D@hormel.redhat.com> <1080913540.1839.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1080914938.15429.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 07:45, Justin Paulsen wrote: > It would be great if we could find open source counterparts for these > but I'm still looking. Also if anyone knows how I could access my > library catalog for Linux I would be grateful. We use Sagebrush > Spectrum 5.2 and upgrading to the web version is too expensive. This probably isn't what you want but it is interesting just the same - it does for libraries what a wiki does for publishing: http://www.communitybooks.org/ --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Fri Apr 2 14:13:58 2004 From: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (Jonathan White) Date: 02 Apr 2004 09:13:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080915238.5000.8.camel@jwhite.bms.shaker.k12.nh.us> One of the home directory problems I've encountered (finally got samba/winbind working after working on other projects for a month or so) is that using a Linux workstation (setup using K12LTSP 3.1.1 ISO's that I had handy) to connect to a Win2K server, the Linux home directory and the home directories we've setup for our users on the Win2K server don't match up. This may be a relatively simple thing to get figured out, I simply haven't had time to play with it yet, but it may also be part of the home directory "difficulties" that people are having. On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 08:47, Doug Simpson wrote: > Am I just missing something here? > > I see many posts about mixing Windows and linux (*nix) (oss servers) and > keeping the same home directories and etc. > > unless I am just missing something, what is so hard? > > I have windows users using linux (samba) servers and they use the same > home directories on the server they could use under linux on the same > servers. I use either, and have no problems finding my data no matter > which workstation OS is being used (a terminal with K12LTSP, W98, WXP or > W2K). > > Please enlighten me about all the fuss about home directories. . . > > Doug > -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 From jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Fri Apr 2 14:19:00 2004 From: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (Jonathan White) Date: 02 Apr 2004 09:19:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sagebrush Spectrum Question In-Reply-To: <1080914938.15429.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20040402013650.3DAA57391D@hormel.redhat.com> <1080913540.1839.22.camel@localhost> <1080914938.15429.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1080915539.5000.14.camel@jwhite.bms.shaker.k12.nh.us> On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 09:08, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 07:45, Justin Paulsen wrote: > > > It would be great if we could find open source counterparts for these > > but I'm still looking. Also if anyone knows how I could access my > > library catalog for Linux I would be grateful. We use Sagebrush > > Spectrum 5.2 and upgrading to the web version is too expensive. > > This probably isn't what you want but it is interesting just the > same - it does for libraries what a wiki does for publishing: > http://www.communitybooks.org/ > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > A question for anyone using the Spectrum Web Catalog: Does it work with an Apache server? And if so was it particularly difficult to setup? Our experience with the Web Catalog has been poor at best. After (begrudgingly) setting up an IIS server so that our Librarians could check out the Web Catalog, we found that it had some serious problems that, when combined with "requiring" IIS to run, made it unfeasible for us. -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Apr 2 15:03:42 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:03:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lost MACs in routing .... Message-ID: <406D80CE.5030808@netscape.net> Dear K12LTSP Sages.... :-) I'm stumped and need help with a problem that .... well shouldn't be a problem.... Here's the specs! First setup; Cable Modem -> K12ltsp server -> hub -> thin clients & MACs (Both office & teaching) this setup worked most of the time until the k12ltsp server was restarted ( just due to rewiring, not server problems) & then the MACs lost their connections until they were retarted .... but everything did work well Second setup; (to allow for more growth and to separate the lab (thin-clients) from the office (MACs) Cable Modem -> Router-> (a) K12ltsp server -> hub -> thin clients & MACs (teaching) -> (b) hub -> Office MACs Here the Server, clients and the Office MACs work very well but the Teaching MACs cannot get out to the router ????? The IP setup is as follows; Cable Modem -> (DHCP)Router (192.168.2.1)-> (a) (Static eth1 192.168.2.105)K12ltsp server & Gateway(static eth0 192.168.0.254) ->(DHCP) hub ->(192.168.0.100 - 253) thin clients & MACs (teaching) -> (b) (DHCP 192.168.2.100 - 200)hub -> Office MACs The thin clients & the server & the Office MACs all work well but the Teaching MACs cannot get "out" ??? They do get an IP address & can ping the server & the workstations but not the router! Any & all help is greatly appreciated thanks norbert From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Apr 2 15:30:32 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:30:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lost MACs in routing .... In-Reply-To: <406D80CE.5030808@netscape.net> References: <406D80CE.5030808@netscape.net> Message-ID: <406D8718.7080209@gwi.net> norbert wrote: > > The IP setup is as follows; > > Cable Modem -> (DHCP)Router (192.168.2.1)-> (a) (Static eth1 > 192.168.2.105)K12ltsp server & Gateway(static eth0 192.168.0.254) > ->(DHCP) hub ->(192.168.0.100 - 253) thin clients & MACs (teaching) > -> (b) (DHCP 192.168.2.100 - 200)hub > -> Office MACs > > The thin clients & the server & the Office MACs all work well but the > Teaching MACs cannot get "out" ??? They do get an IP address & can > ping the server & the workstations but not the router! What subnet mask is the dhcp server on LTSP box giving out? If the MACs were getting 192.168.0.x/255.255.0.0 then they would try to reach the router on the local segment instead of routing through the LTSP box. Depending on how you tested ping for thin clients, it may actually have been a ping from the server. If you used a text mode console on the thin client and it worked, then the subnet mask is not the issue. What default gateway is the dhcp server on LTSP box giving out? If the MACs were getting anything other than 192.168.0.254 or were configured to not get gateway via dhcp then they would not know how to reach addresses not on the local subnet. If pinging was tested using thin clients through the desktop login then an incorrect gateway (or no default gateway) could be the problem. If tested using a text mode console on the thin client then the gateway offered must be correct, but perhaps the MACs are not getting that setting from dhcp? Is ip forwarding turned on and a nat rule added by starting the nat "service" on the LTSP server? Again if client pinging was tested from desktop login then no forwarding or nat hiding was necessary, and one of these could be the problem. If tested from a text mode console then ip forwarding and nat cannot be the problem. I would start by verifying that ip forwarding and a nat rule are set at the LTSP server. If those are correct then look at the ip settings of one of the teaching MACs and the /etc/dhcpd.conf file to figure out what is wrong. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Apr 2 15:43:20 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:43:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing Message-ID: Thank you Dave, Les and Sudev. Now I have: rsync -az -p --exclude ".mozilla" -g -e ssh /home 192.168.1.6:/home2/thin This morning my backup drive is 15 gigs richer...! Jim _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Apr 2 16:04:58 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:04:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <1080915238.5000.8.camel@jwhite.bms.shaker.k12.nh.us> Message-ID: Now I understand what the problem is (what I've been 'missing') They want home directories on W2k servers accessible from linux computers. Mine are all done the other way around. All workstations access the same home directories on linux servers. I have found that if the usernames are the same on both servers, then the user can get access to both home directories using UNCs instead of drive letters. This is how our E.A.S.T. students access data from their home directories on the linux server (Student's) from the E.A.S.T. lab (W2k), Doug On 2 Apr 2004, Jonathan White wrote: > One of the home directory problems I've encountered (finally got > samba/winbind working after working on other projects for a month or so) > is that using a Linux workstation (setup using K12LTSP 3.1.1 ISO's that > I had handy) to connect to a Win2K server, the Linux home directory and > the home directories we've setup for our users on the Win2K server don't > match up. > > This may be a relatively simple thing to get figured out, I simply > haven't had time to play with it yet, but it may also be part of the > home directory "difficulties" that people are having. > > > > On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 08:47, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Am I just missing something here? > > > > I see many posts about mixing Windows and linux (*nix) (oss servers) and > > keeping the same home directories and etc. > > > > unless I am just missing something, what is so hard? > > > > I have windows users using linux (samba) servers and they use the same > > home directories on the server they could use under linux on the same > > servers. I use either, and have no problems finding my data no matter > > which workstation OS is being used (a terminal with K12LTSP, W98, WXP or > > W2K). > > > > Please enlighten me about all the fuss about home directories. . . > > > > Doug > > > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 2 16:42:37 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:42:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Now I understand what the problem is (what I've been 'missing') > >They want home directories on W2k servers accessible from linux computers. Harder > > >Mine are all done the other way around. All workstations access the same >home directories on linux servers. Easier better is to use Samba/LDAP and make the home directory accessible to all platforms....in my case both Windows and Linux (K12LTSP) use the same exact home directory....I do have a seperate profiles directory for my Windows roaming profiles, but the home directory is the same....makes it nice since the kids can roam freely from computer to computer whether Linux or WinXP....they start a doc using Lnux and OO...they can finish it using XP and M$ Word....no hiccups. > > >I have found that if the usernames are the same on both servers, then the >user can get access to both home directories using UNCs instead of drive >letters. This is how our E.A.S.T. students access data from their home >directories on the linux server (Student's) from the E.A.S.T. lab (W2k), > >Doug David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Apr 2 17:31:20 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:31:20 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing Message-ID: <040220041731.11340.406DA3680007540300002C4C2200762194FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Jim, Sorry for the delay in responding. I finally got some free time (lunch). I have to agree with Les that Backuppc is absolutely the way to go long term. I didn't use it bacause it didn't support rsync when I first needed a solution. Over the summer, I will switch/start using it for some of my needs. My current approach is so robust, I am not ready to give it up yet :) Now, here is the rsync command I use (cut from a script that runs via cron, so it may not make total sense without all the other stuff. I adapted the solution at http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ to implement my backup scheme. ---------------------------- TODAY="/backups" LAST=`ls -tr /backups | tail -1` NOW=`date +%R` rsync -va --link-dest=$TODAY/$LAST --exclude-from=/backups/exclude-list -e "/usr/bin/ssh -i /root/.ssh/root" myhomehost:/home/ $TODAY/$NOW > $TODAY/$NOW/rsync.log ------------------------------ Key piece is the --exclude-from=/backups/exclude-list As I find things that don't need to be backed up, I just add them to the exclude-list. I also have a little script that searches all the old backups and then removes the stuff I just added to the exclude list. (I run the script manually from the backups directory) The script is (hardcoded to find core* files in this example) for i in `ls -r` do echo Searching $i rm -rf `find $i -name core*` done My exclude-list file is shown below. - Cache/ - Cookies - FrontPageTempDir - NTUSER.DAT - NetHood - PrintHood - Start\ Menu - Templates - core.* - ntuser.dat.LOG - ntuser.ini - nspmcvt.exe - .Trash - .Xauthority - .bash* - .acrobat - .adobe - .emacs - .esd_auth - .fonts* - .g* - .java - .mozilla - .nautilus - .netscape - .openoffice - .thumbnails - .xsession-errors - *.asd Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > Thank you Dave, Les and Sudev. Now I have: > > rsync -az -p --exclude ".mozilla" -g -e ssh /home 192.168.1.6:/home2/thin > > This morning my backup drive is 15 gigs richer...! > > Jim > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http:// > hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 2 17:29:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:29:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080926941.16651.28.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 10:42, David Trask wrote: > >Now I understand what the problem is (what I've been 'missing') > > > >They want home directories on W2k servers accessible from linux computers. > > Harder The windows services for unix add-on is supposed to be free now. Can't you use that to export via NFS and automount the linux home directories? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Apr 2 17:44:13 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:44:13 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC Message-ID: <040220041744.29809.406DA66D000D317C000074712200751150FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> > Am I just missing something here? I doubt it, but .. > I see many posts about mixing Windows and linux (*nix) (oss servers) and > keeping the same home directories and etc. > > unless I am just missing something, what is so hard? It isn't hard, just different, and until someone has set it all up once, it can be confusing (Think about trying to explain network shares, mapped drives, drive letters and how they aren't local, etc. I have teachers whose eyes roll the second I mention opending/browsing to the network share drives. Now I just ask then to open the T: drive (T is for Teacher) or whatever drive I map for them. > I have windows users using linux (samba) servers and they use the same > home directories on the server they could use under linux on the same > servers. I use either, and have no problems finding my data no matter > which workstation OS is being used (a terminal with K12LTSP, W98, WXP or > W2K). I have a teacher who loses a file on a download from email. Forgets where she saved it. She currently has about 1000 files in her home directory. I can't seem to get across the concept of sub-directories. > Please enlighten me about all the fuss about home directories. . . Perhaps this would be a great addition to the wiki on how you set it all up. I know that I would find it useful. Thanks, Dave Hopkins From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Fri Apr 2 17:44:58 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:44:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Per User Default Printer Message-ID: <406DA69A.9050807@chartermi.net> I have a K12LTSP 3.1.2 ts in operation in an elementary and what I'd like to do is have each user just have a default printer, that unless they're in OpenOffice and select a different printer, by default, it'll dump to a specific printer for that user. Each classroom has their own laser printer, and so if the kid jumps on a machine somewhere in the building, they'll know that their printout will be in their homeroom. Suggestions? Any additional information needed? -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Apr 2 17:52:56 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:52:56 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? Message-ID: <040220041752.8222.406DA87800070E000000201E2200734748FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> I have this in /etc/profile. I still get core dumps. All the accounts use tcsh. Is there some equivalent that I have to set for tcsh? All the core dumps are from StarOffice! Now, I just need to find out HOW they are crashing StarOffice. Thanks, Dave Hopkins > > You can completely get rid of core.* files by > ulimit -S -c 0 > /dev/null 2>&1 > > This is a defaul setting on Fedora (/etc/profile). > > regards, > Valdur > > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > > > On a command line, try doing a: > > > > > > file core.* > > > > > > That will tell you what application is generating the core files. > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 2 18:10:27 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:10:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Per User Default Printer In-Reply-To: <406DA69A.9050807@chartermi.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Eric Feldhusen wrote: > I have a K12LTSP 3.1.2 ts in operation in an elementary and what I'd > like to do is have each user just have a default printer, that unless > they're in OpenOffice and select a different printer, by default, it'll > dump to a specific printer for that user. Each classroom has their own > laser printer, and so if the kid jumps on a machine somewhere in the > building, they'll know that their printout will be in their homeroom. > > Suggestions? Any additional information needed? > Eric, in .bash_profile file for every user add: PRINTER=whatever-is-the-printer; export PRINTER that's it, now the default printer for the user is the one specified by PRINTER variable instead of system default. julius From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 2 18:22:00 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:22:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client List? In-Reply-To: <406C5671.3050008@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <000c01c418df$645b5fa0$1803010a@paasda.org> I've seen requests but don't remember any responses... Has anyone compiled/posted or otherwise made available a list of thin clients(models/makes/etc), KNOWN to work with K12LTSP? (preferably without the need to reflash bootproms and the like, or even with!) --Huck From pauldavison at psps.com Fri Apr 2 18:35:29 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:35:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client List? In-Reply-To: <000c01c418df$645b5fa0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000c01c418df$645b5fa0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <406DB271.3000901@psps.com> I have not seen any responses to your question Huck, but I know a lot of people are using various makes and models with varied amounts of configuration required to make them work. This sounds like an excellent topic for the K12ltsp wiki, so I added a section to the http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Vendors Vendor page. There are some vendors listed on that page already as well. I don't know if you have looked there yet. Hopefully a few people can put in the info about the clients they have tried. Paul Huck wrote: > I've seen requests but don't remember any responses... > > Has anyone compiled/posted or otherwise made available a list of thin > clients(models/makes/etc), > KNOWN to work with K12LTSP? (preferably without the need to reflash > bootproms and the like, or even with!) > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Fri Apr 2 18:45:22 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (LTSP at Symbio Technologies) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:45:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client List? In-Reply-To: <000c01c418df$645b5fa0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000c01c418df$645b5fa0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1080931521.29351.10.camel@marge.nr.symbio.com> Huck - Here ya go: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Vendors -Roger On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 13:22, Huck wrote: > I've seen requests but don't remember any responses... > > Has anyone compiled/posted or otherwise made available a list of thin > clients(models/makes/etc), > KNOWN to work with K12LTSP? (preferably without the need to reflash > bootproms and the like, or even with!) > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Fri Apr 2 18:46:08 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:46:08 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client List? Message-ID: <13194980.1080931568562.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Hello! May we also create a list of cards that are known not to wrk with ltsp ? We could also say wheter we have tried to reflash it or not. For example, my sister has a Dell PC, with a network card built-in the motherboard, and I haven't found any driver for it in rom-o-matic. The problem with this list of known-not-to-work cards is that maybe someone already got it working but didn't report it. What do you think guys? Cheers, Edulix. > I have not seen any responses to your question Huck, but I know a lot of > people are using various makes and models with varied amounts of > configuration required to make them work. This sounds like an excellent > topic for the K12ltsp wiki, so I added a section to the > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Vendors Vendor page. There are > some vendors listed on that page already as well. I don't know if you > have looked there yet. > Hopefully a few people can put in the info about the clients they have > tried. > Paul From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 2 18:43:11 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:43:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? In-Reply-To: <040220041752.8222.406DA87800070E000000201E2200734748FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> References: <040220041752.8222.406DA87800070E000000201E2200734748FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1080931390.16651.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 11:52, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > I have this in /etc/profile. I still get core dumps. All the accounts use tcsh. Is there some equivalent that I have to set for tcsh? > /etc/csh.login should be the equivalent, but I have to ask: why would anyone use tcsh or worse, inflict it on others? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From krasnofb at nwrel.org Fri Apr 2 18:59:26 2004 From: krasnofb at nwrel.org (Basha Krasnoff) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:59:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC Message-ID: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C326@nt2.nwrel.org> Justin, I am encouraged by your comments and the support you received for your suggestion about a Web site in defense of OS and LTSP. I am an education researcher for an independent, noprofit education research and development lab (NWREL) in Portland OR. My work group supports educators who are integrating technology into the teaching and learning process. Several years ago, we began getting serious inquiries about the feasibility of adopting open source software in K12 education. Our research-based Web site Open Options: Making Decisions about Open Source Software for K-12 was developed in response to expressed needs for practical information and decision-making tools. It would be very valuable to us if you and others who support your suggestion would have a look at our site and let us know what you think. www.netc.org/openoptions. The site was built with federal-funds we received as the Northwest Educational Technology Consortium at NWREL. It does not advocate for any solution just objectively considers the issues and draws on the experiences of current users. I am seeking current K-12 open source software users to address questions about the issues, challenges, accomplishments, and costs of adopting and implementing a new technology like Open Source. We would really value input from the K-12OSN community. Please consider taking our 10-minute online survey (www.netc.org/surveys/oss) and if you can spare 15-30 minutes on the phone (or even through e-mail), your insights and experience will be shared (anonymously), by means of our research analysis, with other educators who are considering or newly adopting open source. I wish you success with your work, Basha Basha Krasnoff Research & Evaluation Specialist Technology in Education Center (NETC) Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory 503.275.9643 1.800.547/6339 krasnofb at nwrel.org -----Original Message----- From: Justin Paulsen [mailto:paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:33 AM To: K12LTSP mail list Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC The biggest barrier that I run into is the "But my software won't run on that so we can't use that system" (end of discussion) The other is "But its not "" (insert Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Windows, etc...) The fact that it would save a lot of money doesn't seem to make it to their central processors. We also are going to start laying off teaching staff this year. We should really setup a web site that has links to documents and other info in defense of OS and LTSP. Something that tells a level (read honest, true) reality of them. -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District Frederic, WI 54837 (715) 327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us http://www.frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open, Are you?" _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Fri Apr 2 19:04:13 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:04:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Followup on 3ware ide raid cards. Message-ID: <406DB92D.6090300@chartermi.net> Just a fyi, If anyone is running a 3ware raid card, check out the 3ware knowledgebase for Q10036, which is Performance/Optimization: How can 3ware read performance be increased in Linux? It's worth the read, especially after my file/print/home directory server took 10 hours last night to rsync 60GB from one partition on a RAID5 IDE array to another partition on the same array. I just made the first recommended change for max and min readahead to my 3ware 7500-8 card and saw noticeable results in memory, load, and irq changes with the webminstats package, already. And the system "feels" more responsive. 3ware Knowledgebase http://www.3ware.com/KB/kb.asp Webmin http://www.webmin.com/ Webminstats http://webminstats.sourceforge.net/ -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Apr 2 19:07:22 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:07:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client List? In-Reply-To: <000c01c418df$645b5fa0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <406C5671.3050008@litwiller.net> <000c01c418df$645b5fa0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <64176.170.211.161.223.1080932842.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Huck said: > I've seen requests but don't remember any responses... > > Has anyone compiled/posted or otherwise made available a list of thin > clients(models/makes/etc), > KNOWN to work with K12LTSP? (preferably without the need to reflash > bootproms and the like, or even with!) Here's the ultimate list: HP t(5000 series) thinkclients from disklessworkstations.com. That's all you need to know =) -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Apr 2 19:13:06 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:13:06 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? Message-ID: <040220041913.10906.406DBB420002EBCC00002A9A2200748184FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> > > /etc/csh.login should be the equivalent, but I have to ask: why would > anyone use tcsh or worse, inflict it on others? > I am an R&D engineer by profession. Nuff said? Seriously, on the High Performance Computing systems that I use (massively parallel computing), tcsh is the preferred shell for most applications. I carry this bias over to the K12LTSP environment at the school. So far, I have never seen a teacher actually access a shell voluntarily, so when I get tech support calls and have to drop into a shell to fix it, it is very convenient if the shell they use is something I am currently using. I have also found that sh or bash are not quite compatible or consistent across hardware platforms while tcsh is better behaved in this regard. This isn't exactly a valid justification though and I am completely willing to switch to a different shell. What would you recommend? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 2 19:25:28 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:25:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client List? In-Reply-To: <13194980.1080931568562.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Message-ID: <000001c418e8$41dd06a0$1803010a@paasda.org> Does that onboard card from dell not allow for PXE booting? My k12ltsp testbed is pxe booting only. (aside from the G3 macs that require yellowdog) --Huck From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Apr 2 19:34:52 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:34:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client List? In-Reply-To: <000001c418e8$41dd06a0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <13194980.1080931568562.JavaMail.oracle@linares> <000001c418e8$41dd06a0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <63850.170.211.161.223.1080934492.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Huck said: > Does that onboard card from dell not allow for PXE booting? Several of them do. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From jfaletra at sau16.org Fri Apr 2 19:55:27 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:55:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client List? In-Reply-To: <63850.170.211.161.223.1080934492.squirrel@170.211.161.223> References: <63850.170.211.161.223.1080934492.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: Huck said: >> Does that onboard card from dell not allow for PXE booting? > Several of them do. Be sure to modify the BIOS. There are 2 pages to enable PXE booting. Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 2 19:54:37 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:54:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] IDE if /home is NFS? In-Reply-To: <040220041913.10906.406DBB420002EBCC00002A9A2200748184FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> References: <040220041913.10906.406DBB420002EBCC00002A9A2200748184FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1080935677.16651.70.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 13:13, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > [...]I have also found that sh or bash are not quite compatible or consistent across hardware platforms while tcsh is better behaved in this regard. > > This isn't exactly a valid justification though and I am completely willing to switch to a different shell. What would you recommend? I like scripts to be strictly bourne-sh compatible so they are portable, and interactive operation to be (almost) exactly the same as scripted to make it obvious how you can automate most of what you would type more than once. The (almost) above is because you probably want command line recall/edit and autocompletion features in interactive mode. Bash and ksh both provide those and you can ignore their incompatible extensions. If you need arrays and other advanced programming features you should probably be using perl or python for scripting anyway. Bash would be the obvious choice these days since it is likely to already be included in distributions and available for free if not. The real ksh is OK and got a lot of things right before bash but the real one isn't free and the free one isn't that great. Both bash and ksh have a lot of individually configurable options (command line edit mode, etc.) but I'd be interested in any examples you've seen where they were not backwards-compatible with scripts using bourne shell syntax. Since there are a lot of educators on this list, I'd like to know if anyone has considered making a student's first exposure to computers be about a 3 day session covering nothing but shell syntax? I took a course like that at a Bell Labs center almost 20 years ago and it has been valuable almost every day since, where almost everything I've learned about GUI operations changes every time someone writes a new program. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Apr 2 20:07:35 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:07:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting a default, non-customizable desktop Message-ID: <406DC807.40409@glenwood.k12.mo.us> The language arts teacher (who has a 10 client LTSP lab) told me today that the 8th graders were changing their backgrounds, and she doesn't want them doing that because a few have chosen pictures that are pushing the limits of appropriate for a public school (k-8 grades). I told her that I allow them to customize, but that it must be "appropriate" for public school. Of course the real problem is defining what is appropriate (for today's 8th graders who have been brought up by MTV -- it is not the same as for me). Anyway... I digress. How can I make it so that my users have absolutely NO CUSTOMIZED DESKTOPs? Is this possible? If so, what must I do? If I have to make a threat to my 8th graders to "clean up their act" or else I'll do it for you, then I need to be able to back it up. At this point I can't, because I don't know how. Any help out there? -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From jfaletra at sau16.org Fri Apr 2 20:14:44 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:14:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dans Guardian Message-ID: Hey everyone, I am trying to install Dans Guardian web filtering and I keep running into a wall. I downloaded and installed the following: rpm -Uvh DansGuardian-2.6.1-3.RH72.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh dungog-dansguardian-2.6-5.noarch.rpm In that order. Then I went to the e-smith server using IP/server-manager. When I attempt to configure, the server "hangs" and I can't get to it from any browser. I even tried to set the proxie settings on the browser to 8080 and 80 as well as 3128 but no dice. I am using e-smith server 6.0 Any ideas why it won't configure? Oh, and I can't start from the command line. weird... Joe Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From haysja at sages.us Fri Apr 2 20:23:49 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:23:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dans Guardian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406DCBD5.4020405@sages.us> Of course I do not know your situation, but I would use a separate box from my K12LTSP server for web filtering. clients <-------------> K12LTSP <---------> Web Filter/Firewall <------------>Internet We use IPCop then add the Dans Guardian add on. It is very easy to install. Easy to manage. And can run on pretty inexpensive equipment. We are holding a session in our area for schools to come and build an IPCop firewall complete with Dans Guardian filter for $160. (Refurbished IBM servers that our LTC purchased online.) From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Apr 2 22:34:51 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:34:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lost MACs in routing .... In-Reply-To: <406D8718.7080209@gwi.net> References: <406D80CE.5030808@netscape.net> <406D8718.7080209@gwi.net> Message-ID: <406DEA8B.4060706@netscape.net> Hi & thanks for the response, please read on to your questions for responses..... ckjohnson at gwi.net wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> >> The IP setup is as follows; >> >> Cable Modem -> (DHCP)Router (192.168.2.1)-> (a) (Static eth1 >> 192.168.2.105)K12ltsp server & Gateway(static eth0 192.168.0.254) >> ->(DHCP) hub ->(192.168.0.100 - 253) thin clients & MACs (teaching) >> -> (b) (DHCP 192.168.2.100 - 200)hub >> -> Office MACs >> >> The thin clients & the server & the Office MACs all work well but the >> Teaching MACs cannot get "out" ??? They do get an IP address & can >> ping the server & the workstations but not the router! > > > > What subnet mask is the dhcp server on LTSP box giving out? If the > MACs were getting 192.168.0.x/255.255.0.0 then they would try to reach > the router on the local segment instead of routing through the LTSP > box. Depending on how you tested ping for thin clients, it may > actually have been a ping from the server. If you used a text mode > console on the thin client and it worked, then the subnet mask is not > the issue. The router subnet is 192.168.2.0 and the K12ltsp server subnet (defined in dhcpd.conf is 192.168.0.0 The ping was from a terminal console > > > What default gateway is the dhcp server on LTSP box giving out? If > the MACs were getting anything other than 192.168.0.254 or were > configured to not get gateway via dhcp then they would not know how to > reach addresses not on the local subnet. If pinging was tested using > thin clients through the desktop login then an incorrect gateway (or > no default gateway) could be the problem. If tested using a text mode > console on the thin client then the gateway offered must be correct, > but perhaps the MACs are not getting that setting from dhcp? The default GW is 192.168.0.254 If the MAcs are not getting the gateway info, but they are getting an IP address from the K12ltsp server, how do I corrrect that ? I did try to enter it manually... > > > Is ip forwarding turned on and a nat rule added by starting the nat > "service" on the LTSP server? Again if client pinging was tested from > desktop login then no forwarding or nat hiding was necessary, and one > of these could be the problem. If tested from a text mode console > then ip forwarding and nat cannot be the problem. I don't believe that any IP forwarding is active, iptables is turn off, but I'm not sure about NAT (Network Address Translation).. > > > I would start by verifying that ip forwarding and a nat rule are set > at the LTSP server. If those are correct then look at the ip settings > of one of the teaching MACs and the /etc/dhcpd.conf file to figure out > what is wrong. The teaching MACs are only getting DHCP service from the server they are not "MAC thin clients" As I've said before the MACs are getting IP addresses and verified on the server in the log files and responding to pings from the server & the thin clients but NOT from outside 192.168.0.0 ......... !!!!!!! Any more ideas I do need to get this working !!!! H E L P ............... :-[ NORBERT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 2 23:27:20 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:27:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP gone wild Message-ID: <1080948440.4068.17.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Lately my test system has been crashing mysteriously. /var/log/messages contains the following: Apr 2 06:35:20 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change 41 Apr 2 06:37:30 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change 1 Apr 2 06:38:24 ws243 -- MARK -- Apr 2 07:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- Apr 2 07:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- Apr 2 07:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- Apr 2 08:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- Apr 2 08:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- Apr 2 08:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- Apr 2 09:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- Apr 2 09:28:18 tserver ntpd[3399]: synchronisation lost Apr 2 09:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 12 leases to leases file. Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:14 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:14 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:15 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:15 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:15 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:15 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:15 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:15 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:18 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:18 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:19 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:19 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:21 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:21 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:21 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:21 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:26 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:26 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:27 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:27 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:27 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:27 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:29 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:29 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:36 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:36 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:39 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:39 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 09:32:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 -snip This goes on until the server crashes.. Apr 2 12:14:37 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:14:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:14:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:15:22 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:15:22 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:15:52 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:15:52 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:16:16 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:16:16 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:17:02 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:17:02 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:17:13 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:17:13 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:17:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:17:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:17:42 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:17:42 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to 00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslogd 1.4.1: restart (remote reception). Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslog: syslogd startup succeeded Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg started. I'm planning on just reinstalling but I'm looking for ideas. Anyone? Jack From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat Apr 3 01:21:22 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:21:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lost MACs in routing .... In-Reply-To: <406DEA8B.4060706@netscape.net> References: <406D80CE.5030808@netscape.net> <406D8718.7080209@gwi.net> <406DEA8B.4060706@netscape.net> Message-ID: <406E1192.1070207@gwi.net> On the ltsp server what output do these commands produce? route -n cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -vnL -t nat On the mac what is the subnet mask? On the mac what is the default gateway? Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Apr 3 02:01:57 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:01:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lost MACs in routing .... In-Reply-To: <406E1192.1070207@gwi.net> References: <406D80CE.5030808@netscape.net> <406D8718.7080209@gwi.net> <406DEA8B.4060706@netscape.net> <406E1192.1070207@gwi.net> Message-ID: <406E1B15.4040900@netscape.net> Hi Chris, Thanks for the prompt response, but I'm remote to the site currently and won't be back until Monday. I'll relay the information then. norbert ckjohnson at gwi.net wrote: > On the ltsp server what output do these commands produce? > route -n > cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > iptables -vnL -t nat > > On the mac what is the subnet mask? > On the mac what is the default gateway? > > Chris > From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Apr 3 01:53:35 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 07:23:35 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <406C244D.40403@sages.us> References: <3138.170.211.161.150.1080744026.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <406B565A.9080902@cmosnetworks.com> <1080827898.23876.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <406C244D.40403@sages.us> Message-ID: <1080957215.21456.11.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 19:46, Jim Hays wrote: > Of course the "real" issues are: > "I don't have time to learn something new." (Meaning, of course, "I > really don't want to learn something new.") > "I have never seen this before, so it must be bad." > > And the truly real issue: > "Change is BAD." I am not in US. I am not in education. But reading this list I would like to contribute my 2 cents worth of experience: We changed over our entire business to LTSP+OO+... format. Those who switched from DOS to GUI were the ones who had more reason to be afraid but the max resistance was from existing Win users. Today after 1 year old win users are still whimpering but the champions are the ones who switched from DOS Quattro spreadsheets and WordPerfect to OOCalc/Writer. I tried convincing some schools and colleges to switch but till date no one seems to be interested since "No one else has...." I try to give them examples of K12LTSP but reading this thread shows that many school districts there are equally obstinate(?) Grin Grunt and carry on! -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Apr 3 13:05:40 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:05:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP gone wild In-Reply-To: <1080948440.4068.17.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <1080948440.4068.17.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <406EB6A4.6060905@cmosnetworks.com> What version of K12LTSP are you running--3.1.2, 4.0.1, SMP kernel, etc.? --TP Jack wrote: >Lately my test system has been crashing mysteriously. /var/log/messages >contains the following: > >Apr 2 06:35:20 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change >41 >Apr 2 06:37:30 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change >1 >Apr 2 06:38:24 ws243 -- MARK -- >Apr 2 07:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- >Apr 2 07:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- >Apr 2 07:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- >Apr 2 08:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- >Apr 2 08:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- >Apr 2 08:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- >Apr 2 09:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- >Apr 2 09:28:18 tserver ntpd[3399]: synchronisation lost >Apr 2 09:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases >file. >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases >file. >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 12 leases to leases file. >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >-snip This goes on until the server crashes.. > >Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslogd 1.4.1: restart (remote reception). >Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslog: syslogd startup succeeded >Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg >started. > >I'm planning on just reinstalling but I'm looking for ideas. Anyone? > >Jack > > From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Sat Apr 3 14:08:10 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:08:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <1080957215.21456.11.camel@server.ltsp> References: <3138.170.211.161.150.1080744026.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <406B565A.9080902@cmosnetworks.com> <1080827898.23876.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <406C244D.40403@sages.us> <1080957215.21456.11.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1196.66.138.175.79.1081001290.squirrel@66.138.175.79> Sudev Barar said: > I try to give > them examples of K12LTSP but reading this thread shows that many school > districts there are equally obstinate(?) > Grin Grunt and carry on! I find threats work well =) When schools were getting audited by M$....we got nervous. Teachers seemed to help themselves to office cd's. Our technology department is still somewhat young....so back in the day everyone did whatever (one teacher that does technology...and installs pirated software *everywhere*). So we told them "we're taking office off and we're not putting it back on". Then when they requisition office to be purchased and the superintendent kills that...they beg us for an alternative. I install openoffice and they're happy now. Make them do without and be miserable first...it helps =) Now linux desktops/terminals on the other hand have been taken extremely well. Most of the software teachers are using is web-based here...and they're already used to open office. So the change was minimal to them. They are seeing the light of "choice". Some teachers love gnome and its customization. Others consider iceWM a savior when they get me to K.I.S.S. and strip it down to nothing but the "icons" they need on the menu. Movement to opensource (primarily linux) is a big change to us (technology heads). But the users don't realize how big of a change it really is. That's what scares them. The better approach is to just tell them we're upgrading software for better compliance. If we tell them its a massive migration they get scared. Worked for us ;-) Anyway...assess your needs. In some instances the paid for software is worth it if the opensource alternative won't do exactly what they need (maybe not worth what they ask for it...but ya still gotta give it). Don't look at it as moving to opensource. Just look at the dollar and features in a side by side comparision as if you were purchasing this type of software for the first time. We try to be unbiased in our decisions...and still many of the decisions we make end up deciding the opensource alternatives are the better value. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Sat Apr 3 15:17:22 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 10:17:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP gone wild In-Reply-To: <406EB6A4.6060905@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1080948440.4068.17.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <406EB6A4.6060905@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1081005442.5340.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Sorry, Running K12LTSP 4.0l.1 with all the latest updates from yum. Jack On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 08:05, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > What version of K12LTSP are you running--3.1.2, 4.0.1, SMP kernel, etc.? > > --TP > > Jack wrote: > > >Lately my test system has been crashing mysteriously. /var/log/messages > >contains the following: > > > >Apr 2 06:35:20 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change > >41 > >Apr 2 06:37:30 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change > >1 > >Apr 2 06:38:24 ws243 -- MARK -- > >Apr 2 07:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- > >Apr 2 07:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- > >Apr 2 07:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- > >Apr 2 08:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- > >Apr 2 08:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- > >Apr 2 08:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- > >Apr 2 09:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- > >Apr 2 09:28:18 tserver ntpd[3399]: synchronisation lost > >Apr 2 09:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases > >file. > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases > >file. > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 12 leases to leases file. > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from > >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to > >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from > >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to > >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >-snip This goes on until the server crashes.. > > > >Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslogd 1.4.1: restart (remote reception). > >Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslog: syslogd startup succeeded > >Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg > >started. > > > >I'm planning on just reinstalling but I'm looking for ideas. Anyone? > > > >Jack > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Sat Apr 3 16:53:07 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:53:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP gone wild In-Reply-To: <1081005442.5340.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <1080948440.4068.17.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <406EB6A4.6060905@cmosnetworks.com> <1081005442.5340.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <1081011187.5340.5.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> My test machine is just an AMD 2700 with 1GB DDR. Here is the output from uname -a Linux tserver.palmadesso.net 2.4.22-1.2174.nptl #1 Wed Feb 18 16:38:32 EST 2004 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 10:17, Jack wrote: > Sorry, Running K12LTSP 4.0l.1 with all the latest updates from yum. > > Jack > > On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 08:05, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > What version of K12LTSP are you running--3.1.2, 4.0.1, SMP kernel, etc.? > > > > --TP > > > > Jack wrote: > > > > >Lately my test system has been crashing mysteriously. /var/log/messages > > >contains the following: > > > > > >Apr 2 06:35:20 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change > > >41 > > >Apr 2 06:37:30 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change > > >1 > > >Apr 2 06:38:24 ws243 -- MARK -- > > >Apr 2 07:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- > > >Apr 2 07:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- > > >Apr 2 07:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- > > >Apr 2 08:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- > > >Apr 2 08:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- > > >Apr 2 08:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- > > >Apr 2 09:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- > > >Apr 2 09:28:18 tserver ntpd[3399]: synchronisation lost > > >Apr 2 09:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- > > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases > > >file. > > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases > > >file. > > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 12 leases to leases file. > > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from > > >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to > > >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > > >Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > > >Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from > > >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > > >Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to > > >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > > >-snip This goes on until the server crashes.. > > > > > >Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > > >Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > > >Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > > >Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > > >Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > > >Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > > >00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > > >Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslogd 1.4.1: restart (remote reception). > > >Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslog: syslogd startup succeeded > > >Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg > > >started. > > > > > >I'm planning on just reinstalling but I'm looking for ideas. Anyone? > > > > > >Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pdkin.trinityschool at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 3 22:25:16 2004 From: pdkin.trinityschool at ntlworld.com (Peter Deakin) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:25:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting a default, non-customizable desktop In-Reply-To: <406DC807.40409@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <406DC807.40409@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <406F39CC.8000804@ntlworld.com> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > The language arts teacher (who has a 10 client LTSP lab) told me today > that the 8th graders were changing their backgrounds, and she doesn't > want them doing that because a few have chosen pictures that are > pushing the limits of appropriate for a public school (k-8 grades). I > told her that I allow them to customize, but that it must be > "appropriate" for public school. Of course the real problem is > defining what is appropriate (for today's 8th graders who have been > brought up by MTV -- it is not the same as for me). Anyway... I digress. > > How can I make it so that my users have absolutely NO CUSTOMIZED > DESKTOPs? Is this possible? If so, what must I do? > > If I have to make a threat to my 8th graders to "clean up their act" > or else I'll do it for you, then I need to be able to back it up. At > this point I can't, because I don't know how. > > Any help out there? > Changing permissions on .gconf to 740 so that there is no write access and changing ownership to root which prevents group and others making any changes. This will stop anyone from changing backgrounds, view rights and stops theme changes. I guess this might be too restrictive so you could experiment with permissions on specific flies in this directory to achieve what you want. Peter Deakin From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat Apr 3 23:12:32 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 18:12:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting a default, non-customizable desktop In-Reply-To: <406F39CC.8000804@ntlworld.com> References: <406DC807.40409@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <406F39CC.8000804@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <406F44E0.20504@gwi.net> Peter Deakin wrote: > Changing permissions on .gconf to 740 so that there is no write > access and changing ownership to root which prevents group and others > making any changes. This will stop anyone from changing backgrounds, > view rights and stops theme changes. I guess this might be too > restrictive so you could experiment with permissions on specific flies > in this directory to achieve what you want. > Of course a knowledgable user can simply delete .gconf since it is in what must remain a user writable directory - their home. But it would at least prevent customization until someone figures that out. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sat Apr 3 23:33:27 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:33:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Setting a default, non-customizable desktop In-Reply-To: <406F44E0.20504@gwi.net> References: <406DC807.40409@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <406F39CC.8000804@ntlworld.com> <406F44E0.20504@gwi.net> Message-ID: <64589.24.20.16.226.1081035207.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Christopher K. Johnson said: > Peter Deakin wrote: > >> Changing permissions on .gconf to 740 so that there is no write >> access and changing ownership to root which prevents group and others >> making any changes. This will stop anyone from changing backgrounds, >> view rights and stops theme changes. I guess this might be too >> restrictive so you could experiment with permissions on specific flies >> in this directory to achieve what you want. >> > Of course a knowledgable user can simply delete .gconf since it is in > what must remain a user writable directory - their home. > > But it would at least prevent customization until someone figures that > out. What about "chattr -R +i .gconf"? -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat Apr 3 23:51:32 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 18:51:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting a default, non-customizable desktop In-Reply-To: <64589.24.20.16.226.1081035207.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <406DC807.40409@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <406F39CC.8000804@ntlworld.com> <406F44E0.20504@gwi.net> <64589.24.20.16.226.1081035207.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <406F4E04.2030206@gwi.net> Dan Young wrote: >Christopher K. Johnson said: > > >>Peter Deakin wrote: >> >> >> >>>Changing permissions on .gconf to 740 so that there is no write >>>access and changing ownership to root which prevents group and others >>>making any changes. This will stop anyone from changing backgrounds, >>>view rights and stops theme changes. I guess this might be too >>>restrictive so you could experiment with permissions on specific flies >>>in this directory to achieve what you want. >>> >>> >>> >>Of course a knowledgable user can simply delete .gconf since it is in >>what must remain a user writable directory - their home. >> >>But it would at least prevent customization until someone figures that >>out. >> >> > >What about "chattr -R +i .gconf"? > > That should do it as long as it's in an ext2/3 filesystem ;) If homes are nfs mounted, make the change on the nfs server that exported them. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sun Apr 4 00:22:14 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:22:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Setting a default, non-customizable desktop In-Reply-To: <406F4E04.2030206@gwi.net> References: <406DC807.40409@glenwood.k12.mo.us><406F39CC.8000804@ntlworld.com> <406F44E0.20504@gwi.net><64589.24.20.16.226.1081035207.squirrel@webmai l.parkrose.k12.or.us> <406F4E04.2030206@gwi.net> Message-ID: <65168.24.20.16.226.1081038134.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Christopher K. Johnson said: > Dan Young wrote: >>What about "chattr -R +i .gconf"? >> > That should do it as long as it's in an ext2/3 filesystem ;) > If homes are nfs mounted, make the change on the nfs server that > exported them. I felt dirty after sending that message and went here to find a better way: http://gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.4/gconf-9.html#gconf-20 I feel much better now. ;-) -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sun Apr 4 00:45:28 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:45:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting a default, non-customizable desktop In-Reply-To: <65168.24.20.16.226.1081038134.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <406DC807.40409@glenwood.k12.mo.us><406F39CC.8000804@ntlworld.com> <406F44E0.20504@gwi.net><64589.24.20.16.226.1081035207.squirrel@webmai l.parkrose.k12.or.us> <406F4E04.2030206@gwi.net> <65168.24.20.16.226.1081038134.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <406F5AA8.8060207@gwi.net> Dan Young wrote: >Christopher K. Johnson said: > > >>Dan Young wrote: >> >> >>>What about "chattr -R +i .gconf"? >>> >>> >>> >>That should do it as long as it's in an ext2/3 filesystem ;) >>If homes are nfs mounted, make the change on the nfs server that >>exported them. >> >> > >I felt dirty after sending that message and went here to find a better way: > >http://gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.4/gconf-9.html#gconf-20 > >I feel much better now. ;-) > >-Dan Young >-Parkrose School District > > > Cool! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Apr 4 01:22:05 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 20:22:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP gone wild In-Reply-To: <1081011187.5340.5.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <1080948440.4068.17.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <406EB6A4.6060905@cmosnetworks.com> <1081005442.5340.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <1081011187.5340.5.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <406F633D.4030102@cmosnetworks.com> Not sure if it's a kernel issue or if dhcpd is sucking up all memory somehow, or what. Let's do some diags. It appears from your log snippet that dhcpd is continuously renewing two IP addresses, which I find very strange indeed. While your server's running, and after you get a bunch of these DHCP logs again, can you run top and see how much DRAM that dhcpd is using? Also, let us know what the CPU usage is, both for dhcpd and total usage. dhcpd shouldn't be using very much DRAM (say, around 2MB or less). CPU should be basically nil for dhcpd. --TP Jack wrote: >My test machine is just an AMD 2700 with 1GB DDR. Here is the output >from uname -a > >Linux tserver.palmadesso.net 2.4.22-1.2174.nptl #1 Wed Feb 18 16:38:32 >EST 2004 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux > > > >On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 10:17, Jack wrote: > > >>Sorry, Running K12LTSP 4.0l.1 with all the latest updates from yum. >> >>Jack >> >>On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 08:05, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >> >> >>>What version of K12LTSP are you running--3.1.2, 4.0.1, SMP kernel, etc.? >>> >>>--TP >>> >>>Jack wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Lately my test system has been crashing mysteriously. /var/log/messages >>>>contains the following: >>>> >>>>Apr 2 06:35:20 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change >>>>41 >>>>Apr 2 06:37:30 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change >>>>1 >>>>Apr 2 06:38:24 ws243 -- MARK -- >>>>Apr 2 07:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- >>>>Apr 2 07:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- >>>>Apr 2 07:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- >>>>Apr 2 08:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- >>>>Apr 2 08:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- >>>>Apr 2 08:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- >>>>Apr 2 09:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- >>>>Apr 2 09:28:18 tserver ntpd[3399]: synchronisation lost >>>>Apr 2 09:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases >>>>file. >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases >>>>file. >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 12 leases to leases file. >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from >>>>00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to >>>>00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >>>>Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from >>>>00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >>>>Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to >>>>00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >>>>-snip This goes on until the server crashes.. >>>> >>>>Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >>>>Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >>>>Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >>>>Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >>>>Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >>>>Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 >>>>Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslogd 1.4.1: restart (remote reception). >>>>Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslog: syslogd startup succeeded >>>>Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg >>>>started. >>>> >>>>I'm planning on just reinstalling but I'm looking for ideas. Anyone? >>>> >>>>Jack >>>> >>>> From robark at telus.net Sun Apr 4 01:56:25 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 17:56:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <1196.66.138.175.79.1081001290.squirrel@66.138.175.79> References: <3138.170.211.161.150.1080744026.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <1080957215.21456.11.camel@server.ltsp> <1196.66.138.175.79.1081001290.squirrel@66.138.175.79> Message-ID: <200404031756.25048.robark@telus.net> The way I got approval was to present it as a pilot project. If it worked out we could upgrade the lab for 1/4 of the cost of new pc's. If it didn't, we just delete Linux and install Windows 2003 terminal server. No money wasted. It's important to clarify that K12LTSP Linux is FREE. We are not spending money on an operating system but rather on server hardware which could run Linux or MS Windows. This seemed to give some comfort to died-in-the wool Windows fans. The OO vs MS Office issue came up as well. The usual "we should be teaching students what they will use in industry". I addressed this by saying "Once you learn one Word Processor it does not take much to use another" plus "by using OO we will be allowing students of all financial demographic backgrounds to have access to the software at home". These are all valid facts which truly give Open source an advantage. The only issue was that I had to volunteer to support my lab as the district technician would not support it. Hopefully, the school and the district will realize the tremendous benefit to students along with the enormous cost savings once it's up and running. Also, don't forget to mention that there is a LOT of quality Free Educational Open Source Software to go along with the OS. To quote Eric Raymond "People tend to associate Free with cheap or shoddy". This myth needs to be dispelled because it's in the back of peoples minds who hear about Open Source for the first time. Robert Arkiletian From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Sun Apr 4 13:40:48 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:40:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP gone wild In-Reply-To: <406F633D.4030102@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1080948440.4068.17.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <406EB6A4.6060905@cmosnetworks.com> <1081005442.5340.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <1081011187.5340.5.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <406F633D.4030102@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1081086047.13203.15.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Had to reboot server again last night. Thats twice in one day. CPU usage right now is about nil as well and DHCP is using almost nothing. However when I reset the server last night I never reset the terminals. As a result my messages logs look normal and have normal DHCP logs. I am resetting both terminals now. I'll take the readings later in a few hours. Jack On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 20:22, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Not sure if it's a kernel issue or if dhcpd is sucking up all memory > somehow, or what. Let's do some diags. It appears from your log > snippet that dhcpd is continuously renewing two IP addresses, which I > find very strange indeed. > > While your server's running, and after you get a bunch of these DHCP > logs again, can you run top and see how much DRAM that dhcpd is using? > Also, let us know what the CPU usage is, both for dhcpd and total > usage. dhcpd shouldn't be using very much DRAM (say, around 2MB or > less). CPU should be basically nil for dhcpd. > > --TP > > Jack wrote: > > >My test machine is just an AMD 2700 with 1GB DDR. Here is the output > >from uname -a > > > >Linux tserver.palmadesso.net 2.4.22-1.2174.nptl #1 Wed Feb 18 16:38:32 > >EST 2004 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux > > > > > > > >On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 10:17, Jack wrote: > > > > > >>Sorry, Running K12LTSP 4.0l.1 with all the latest updates from yum. > >> > >>Jack > >> > >>On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 08:05, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > >> > >> > >>>What version of K12LTSP are you running--3.1.2, 4.0.1, SMP kernel, etc.? > >>> > >>>--TP > >>> > >>>Jack wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Lately my test system has been crashing mysteriously. /var/log/messages > >>>>contains the following: > >>>> > >>>>Apr 2 06:35:20 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change > >>>>41 > >>>>Apr 2 06:37:30 tserver ntpd[3399]: kernel time discipline status change > >>>>1 > >>>>Apr 2 06:38:24 ws243 -- MARK -- > >>>>Apr 2 07:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- > >>>>Apr 2 07:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- > >>>>Apr 2 07:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- > >>>>Apr 2 08:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- > >>>>Apr 2 08:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- > >>>>Apr 2 08:38:23 ws243 -- MARK -- > >>>>Apr 2 09:07:53 ws248 -- MARK -- > >>>>Apr 2 09:28:18 tserver ntpd[3399]: synchronisation lost > >>>>Apr 2 09:29:21 ws252 -- MARK -- > >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases > >>>>file. > >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases > >>>>file. > >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: Wrote 12 leases to leases file. > >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from > >>>>00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to > >>>>00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >>>>Apr 2 09:32:10 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >>>>Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 from > >>>>00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >>>>Apr 2 09:32:11 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to > >>>>00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >>>>-snip This goes on until the server crashes.. > >>>> > >>>>Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >>>>Apr 2 12:18:01 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >>>>Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >>>>Apr 2 12:18:51 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >>>>Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.242 from > >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >>>>Apr 2 12:19:44 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.242 to > >>>>00:06:29:a2:a7:7d via eth0 > >>>>Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslogd 1.4.1: restart (remote reception). > >>>>Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver syslog: syslogd startup succeeded > >>>>Apr 2 18:00:02 tserver kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg > >>>>started. > >>>> > >>>>I'm planning on just reinstalling but I'm looking for ideas. Anyone? > >>>> > >>>>Jack > >>>> > >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Apr 4 20:29:19 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:29:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] fwiw-mandrake move In-Reply-To: <1080874454.22073.3.camel@server.ltsp> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AD@remail2.westat.com> <406CA7BE.7030209@scooter.co.nz> <1080874454.22073.3.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <04040416312800.21154@newguy> fwiw--mandrake move distro on cd did some kind of a job detecting devices on my balky sony..well worth the effort.......chuck From gjkramer at shaw.ca Sun Apr 4 16:18:32 2004 From: gjkramer at shaw.ca (Gustav Kramer) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:18:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 150e Sound Problem In-Reply-To: <200403291446.i2TEkwAU015087@varnett.com> References: <200403291446.i2TEkwAU015087@varnett.com> Message-ID: <1081095512.29779.11.camel@server.ltsp> Did you ever get things figured out? Although I'm using a via epia I seem to be having the same problem - I can see that the terminal is loading the sound module but the server doesn't seem to be sending anything. I too am using one NIC. Is it possible that by default nasd is configured for a system having two NICs and is trying to talk to a NIC that isn't there? -gustav On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 06:46, jsiler at varnett.com wrote: > Newbie question: > > > > I am having problems with a new 150e playing sound. I added the below > to my lts.conf and the auinfo command from the thin client returns > information. Is there something else I need to do because I am running > just one network card on the server? > > > > I can hear the sounds playing from the server. > > I hear the system beep play from the speakers when it boots to the > login screen. > > > > > > [90:12:02:51:0B:4B] > > SOUND = Y > > SOUND_DAEMON = nasd > > SMODULE_01 = soundcore > > SMODULE_02 = ac97_codec > > SMODULE_03 = via82cxxx_audio > > VOLUME = 80 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cwt137 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 4 15:36:17 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040404153617.52552.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> How do I change the default size of the mozilla cache directory for every user (I know how to do it on a user by user basis)? Chris --- Jim Christiansen wrote: > Thank you Dave, Les and Sudev. Now I have: > > rsync -az -p --exclude ".mozilla" -g -e ssh /home > 192.168.1.6:/home2/thin > > This morning my backup drive is 15 gigs richer...! > > Jim > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Apr 5 03:03:52 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:03:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] fwiw-mandrake move In-Reply-To: <04040416312800.21154@newguy> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AD@remail2.westat.com> <1080874454.22073.3.camel@server.ltsp> <04040416312800.21154@newguy> Message-ID: <200404042303.53416.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Sunday 04 April 2004 04:29, cliebow wrote: > fwiw--mandrake move distro on cd did some kind of a job detecting devices > on my balky sony..well worth the effort.......chuck Really?!?! Huh... I still have windows on my Sony V505-BX because I haven't had the time to "tweak" linux enough to work around the VAIO inadequacies. I'll have to try it. Thanks for spreading the word. -Shawn From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Mon Apr 5 10:30:10 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:30:10 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] Rebuiliding K12LTSP server's kernel with supermount support Message-ID: <15548424.1081161010144.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Hello K12LTSP people: I'm trying to rebuild the K12LTSP 4.0 server's kernel with supermount support because I need to make use of supermount (I'm trying to mount remote cdroms transparently, via ENBD). I'm having trouble. The kernel version suplied with the distro is 2.4.22-1.2135.nptl, I think that it's a modified version of Fedora Core 1 kernel, which also is a modified version of vanilla's kenrel. I've already tried to compile the vanilla kernel but I had problems moving the cursor and maybe there are other problems I haven't still noticed.. I've even tried the 2.6.3 kernel, but it suffered the same problem as 2.4.22 vanilla's one. I've also tried to rebuild the kernel given in K12LTSP without a modification andv it compiled without a problem. This are my steps: $ uname -r 2.4.22-1.2135.nptl $ su - # cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl # cp -Rf ../linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl ../linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl-backup # patch -p1 < supermount-1.2.11a-2.4.22.patch While patching, as this is not vanilla's kernel, I got only ONE error. It was easy to solve, with a "# kate include/linux/fs.h.rej include/linux/fs". # cp /boot/config-2.4.22-1.2135.ntl .config with menuconfig I add supermount support, as a module: # make menuconfig # make dep // No problem here # make bzImage // The show starts! [...] ld -m elf_i386 -T /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl/arch/i386/vmlinux.lds -e stext arch/i386/kernel/head.o arch/i386/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o init/version.o init/do_mounts.o --start-group arch/i386/kernel/kernel.o arch/i386/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o drivers/acpi/acpi.o drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq.o drivers/char/char.o drivers/block/block.o drivers/misc/misc.o drivers/net/net.o drivers/char/drm/drm.o drivers/net/fc/fc.o drivers/net/appletalk/appletalk.o drivers/net/tokenring/tr.o drivers/net/wan/wan.o drivers/atm/atm.o drivers/ide/idedriver.o drivers/cdrom/driver.o drivers/pci/driver.o drivers/net/pcmcia/pcmcia_net.o drivers/net/wireless/wireless_net.o drivers/pnp/pnp.o drivers/video/video.o drivers/media/media.o drivers/md/mddev.o drivers/isdn/vmlinux-obj.o crypto/crypto.o net/network.o /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl/arch/i386/lib/lib.a /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl/lib/lib.a /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl/arch/i386/lib/lib.a --end-group ! -o .tmp_vmlinux1 drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text+0x17570): In function `ide_mediactl': : undefined reference to `get_info_ptr' make[1]: *** [kallsyms] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl' make: *** [vmlinux] Error 2 I really need supermount support. Can someone help me ? Do you something I should ? Maybe I should ask this to supermount people ? Maybe directly to the kernel's guys? Come on, I really need help :-). Regards, Edulix. From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Apr 5 06:00:04 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 02:00:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] fwiw-mandrake move In-Reply-To: <200404042303.53416.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0AD@remail2.westat.com> <04040416312800.21154@newguy> <200404042303.53416.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <04040502010500.21413@newguy> shawn--same model i have...first time the ac97 modem just worked..now i see it at irq 0...chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Apr 5 06:03:33 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 02:03:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rebuiliding K12LTSP server's kernel with supermount support In-Reply-To: <15548424.1081161010144.JavaMail.oracle@linares> References: <15548424.1081161010144.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Message-ID: <04040502043701.21413@newguy> my bet..Jim would say use pure unpatched source code for kernel.org..no need to use fedora source whatsoever...chuck From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Apr 5 15:31:45 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:31:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing In-Reply-To: <20040404153617.52552.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040404153617.52552.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1081179105.21030.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 08:36, Chris Thomas wrote: > How do I change the default size of the mozilla cache > directory for every user (I know how to do it on a > user by user basis)? /usr/lib/mozilla-/defaults/pref/all.js Look for pref("browser.cache.disk.capacity" -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Mon Apr 5 16:02:32 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:02:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] firewall route help Message-ID: <61903.170.211.161.223.1081180952.squirrel@170.211.161.223> With an ipchains based firewall.....how would I go about redirecting all traffic destined for grisoft.cz to grisoft.com? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From jsiler at varnett.com Mon Apr 5 16:14:00 2004 From: jsiler at varnett.com (jsiler at varnett.com) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:14:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <20040405160020.5A6B873768@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200404051613.i35GDjOO005390@varnett.com> Gustav, Yes I did get it working. I setup my demo again and did not make any changes to the default install in regards to having only one NIC. Then I changed the lts.conf file to use esd by default. (Line 76) I am still learning but I think this is the default sound daemon for Gnome and that is why I was having my problems using nasd. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of k12osn-request at redhat.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:00 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: K12OSN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 16 Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to k12osn at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to k12osn-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at k12osn-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. fwiw-mandrake move (cliebow) 2. Re: 150e Sound Problem (Gustav Kramer) 3. Re: Massive Rsyncing (Chris Thomas) 4. Re: fwiw-mandrake move (Shawn Powers) 5. Rebuiliding K12LTSP server's kernel with supermount support (Eduardo Robles Elvira) 6. Re: fwiw-mandrake move (cliebow) 7. Re: Rebuiliding K12LTSP server's kernel with supermount support (cliebow) 8. Re: Massive Rsyncing (Dan Young) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:29:19 -0400 From: cliebow Subject: [K12OSN] fwiw-mandrake move To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <04040416312800.21154 at newguy> Content-Type: text/plain fwiw--mandrake move distro on cd did some kind of a job detecting devices on my balky sony..well worth the effort.......chuck ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:18:32 -0700 From: Gustav Kramer Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 150e Sound Problem To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <1081095512.29779.11.camel at server.ltsp> Content-Type: text/plain Did you ever get things figured out? Although I'm using a via epia I seem to be having the same problem - I can see that the terminal is loading the sound module but the server doesn't seem to be sending anything. I too am using one NIC. Is it possible that by default nasd is configured for a system having two NICs and is trying to talk to a NIC that isn't there? -gustav On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 06:46, jsiler at varnett.com wrote: > Newbie question: > > > > I am having problems with a new 150e playing sound. I added the below > to my lts.conf and the auinfo command from the thin client returns > information. Is there something else I need to do because I am running > just one network card on the server? > > > > I can hear the sounds playing from the server. > > I hear the system beep play from the speakers when it boots to the > login screen. > > > > > > [90:12:02:51:0B:4B] > > SOUND = Y > > SOUND_DAEMON = nasd > > SMODULE_01 = soundcore > > SMODULE_02 = ac97_codec > > SMODULE_03 = via82cxxx_audio > > VOLUME = 80 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:36:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Thomas Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing To: jim at linux.ca, "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <20040404153617.52552.qmail at web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How do I change the default size of the mozilla cache directory for every user (I know how to do it on a user by user basis)? Chris --- Jim Christiansen wrote: > Thank you Dave, Les and Sudev. Now I have: > > rsync -az -p --exclude ".mozilla" -g -e ssh /home > 192.168.1.6:/home2/thin > > This morning my backup drive is 15 gigs richer...! > > Jim > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:03:52 -0400 From: Shawn Powers Subject: Re: [K12OSN] fwiw-mandrake move To: cliebow at downeast.net, "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <200404042303.53416.spowers at inlandlakes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Sunday 04 April 2004 04:29, cliebow wrote: > fwiw--mandrake move distro on cd did some kind of a job detecting devices > on my balky sony..well worth the effort.......chuck Really?!?! Huh... I still have windows on my Sony V505-BX because I haven't had the time to "tweak" linux enough to work around the VAIO inadequacies. I'll have to try it. Thanks for spreading the word. -Shawn ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:30:10 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: Eduardo Robles Elvira Subject: [K12OSN] Rebuiliding K12LTSP server's kernel with supermount support To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <15548424.1081161010144.JavaMail.oracle at linares> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello K12LTSP people: I'm trying to rebuild the K12LTSP 4.0 server's kernel with supermount support because I need to make use of supermount (I'm trying to mount remote cdroms transparently, via ENBD). I'm having trouble. The kernel version suplied with the distro is 2.4.22-1.2135.nptl, I think that it's a modified version of Fedora Core 1 kernel, which also is a modified version of vanilla's kenrel. I've already tried to compile the vanilla kernel but I had problems moving the cursor and maybe there are other problems I haven't still noticed.. I've even tried the 2.6.3 kernel, but it suffered the same problem as 2.4.22 vanilla's one. I've also tried to rebuild the kernel given in K12LTSP without a modification andv it compiled without a problem. This are my steps: $ uname -r 2.4.22-1.2135.nptl $ su - # cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl # cp -Rf ../linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl ../linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl-backup # patch -p1 < supermount-1.2.11a-2.4.22.patch While patching, as this is not vanilla's kernel, I got only ONE error. It was easy to solve, with a "# kate include/linux/fs.h.rej include/linux/fs". # cp /boot/config-2.4.22-1.2135.ntl .config with menuconfig I add supermount support, as a module: # make menuconfig # make dep // No problem here # make bzImage // The show starts! [...] ld -m elf_i386 -T /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl/arch/i386/vmlinux.lds -e stext arch/i386/kernel/head.o arch/i386/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o init/version.o init/do_mounts.o --start-group arch/i386/kernel/kernel.o arch/i386/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o drivers/acpi/acpi.o drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq.o drivers/char/char.o drivers/block/block.o drivers/misc/misc.o drivers/net/net.o drivers/char/drm/drm.o drivers/net/fc/fc.o drivers/net/appletalk/appletalk.o drivers/net/tokenring/tr.o drivers/net/wan/wan.o drivers/atm/atm.o drivers/ide/idedriver.o drivers/cdrom/driver.o drivers/pci/driver.o drivers/net/pcmcia/pcmcia_net.o drivers/net/wireless/wireless_net.o drivers/pnp/pnp.o drivers/video/video.o drivers/media/media.o drivers/md/mddev.o drivers/isdn/vmlinux-obj.o crypto/crypto.o net/network.o /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl/arch/i386/lib/lib.a /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl/lib/lib.a /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl/arch/i386/lib/lib.a --end-group ! -o .tmp_vmlinux1 drivers/ide/idedriver.o(.text+0x17570): In function `ide_mediactl': : undefined reference to `get_info_ptr' make[1]: *** [kallsyms] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl' make: *** [vmlinux] Error 2 I really need supermount support. Can someone help me ? Do you something I should ? Maybe I should ask this to supermount people ? Maybe directly to the kernel's guys? Come on, I really need help :-). Regards, Edulix. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 02:00:04 -0400 From: cliebow Subject: Re: [K12OSN] fwiw-mandrake move To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <04040502010500.21413 at newguy> Content-Type: text/plain shawn--same model i have...first time the ac97 modem just worked..now i see it at irq 0...chuck ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 02:03:33 -0400 From: cliebow Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Rebuiliding K12LTSP server's kernel with supermount support To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <04040502043701.21413 at newguy> Content-Type: text/plain my bet..Jim would say use pure unpatched source code for kernel.org..no need to use fedora source whatsoever...chuck ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:31:45 -0700 From: Dan Young Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <1081179105.21030.1.camel at dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Content-Type: text/plain On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 08:36, Chris Thomas wrote: > How do I change the default size of the mozilla cache > directory for every user (I know how to do it on a > user by user basis)? /usr/lib/mozilla-/defaults/pref/all.js Look for pref("browser.cache.disk.capacity" -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 16 ************************************* From satimis at icare.com.hk Mon Apr 5 16:28:05 2004 From: satimis at icare.com.hk (Stephen Liu) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 00:28:05 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing In-Reply-To: <1081179105.21030.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <20040404153617.52552.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> <1081179105.21030.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200404060028.05983.satimis@icare.com.hk> On Monday 05 April 2004 23:31, Dan Young wrote: > On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 08:36, Chris Thomas wrote: > > How do I change the default size of the mozilla cache > > directory for every user (I know how to do it on a > > user by user basis)? > > /usr/lib/mozilla-/defaults/pref/all.js > > Look for pref("browser.cache.disk.capacity" Hi Dan, What will be the function of the abovementioned line: .... pref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 51200); .... Whether increasing its capacity will result in the browser refreshing quicker. TIA B.R. Stephen Liu From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Apr 5 17:08:34 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:08:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firewall route help In-Reply-To: <61903.170.211.161.223.1081180952.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: <003701c41b30$a42a6b00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I don't know how to answer your firewall question but I may have an answer for the problem that generated your question. I have attached a url.ini file which you can use to replace the one in your AVG directory. After AVG is restarted you will get more options to your dropdown list and can choose grisoft.com. That should fix your definition download problems. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:03 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] firewall route help With an ipchains based firewall.....how would I go about redirecting all traffic destined for grisoft.cz to grisoft.com? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.650 / Virus Database: 416 - Release Date: 4/4/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Mon Apr 5 17:10:55 2004 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:10:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close Message-ID: <4071931F.6060605@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> I have a single NIC setup going. I have the client requesting an IP addy from a DHCP server, the DHCP server is talking with the K12 server, but the client says that it failed to mount the root filesystem from :/opt/ltsp/i386: Permission Denied. ANyone know what that means? Brandon Kovach New to this whole thing From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Mon Apr 5 17:19:49 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:19:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] adding a second processor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64895.170.211.161.223.1081185589.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Joe Guenther said: > I have a test server K12LTSP4.0.1 running with a single processor. A second > CPU is on the way. When I install it, will the Linux OS (kudzo) > automatically recognize he second processor and offer to install the SMP > kernel, or do I need to do a fresh install? Go ahead and install the smp kernel (preferably grab the latest WBEL SMP kernel) and that should be it. Pop the second cpu in and boot it. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Mon Apr 5 18:29:03 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling disk Quotas? In-Reply-To: <20040405172007.124D073A40@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hello, I'm attempting to setup disk quotas at the school. But when I attempted through Webmin I received the message No local filesystems can support quotas So I hunted online until I found the Redhat documentation about quotas: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/admin-primer/s1-storage-quotas.html However, I got stuck right from the onset. I am suppose to modify /etc/fstab to add the options for quotas for the /home directory. Problem is that my fstab file has no entry for /home! Is this suppose to be the case? I am using k12ltsp based on RH 9. All help is greatly appreciated. thank you, Joseph From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Apr 5 18:42:34 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:42:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling disk Quotas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4071A89A.5050901@cfl.rr.com> Sounds to me like your home directory is in the "/" partition, so your fstab must be modified to look something like this line for the "/" partition: LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults,usrquota,grpquota 1 1 Once that modifications is made to the fstab file, reboot the linux box and go into webmin, quota's should work from that point on. Regards, BC joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: > Hello, > > I'm attempting to setup disk quotas at the school. But when I attempted > through Webmin I received the message > > No local filesystems can support quotas > > So I hunted online until I found the Redhat documentation about quotas: > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/admin-primer/s1-storage-quotas.html > > However, I got stuck right from the onset. I am suppose to modify > /etc/fstab to add the options for quotas for the /home directory. Problem > is that my fstab file has no entry for /home! > > Is this suppose to be the case? I am using k12ltsp based on RH 9. > > All help is greatly appreciated. > > thank you, > Joseph > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haysja at sages.us Mon Apr 5 18:38:34 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:38:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling disk Quotas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4071A7AA.6060804@sages.us> Use WebMin to access the local file system. Select /home and set the "Use quotas" selection at the bottom right. You will need to reboot. Then use WebMin to manage the quotas. joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: >Hello, > >I'm attempting to setup disk quotas at the school. But when I attempted >through Webmin I received the message > >No local filesystems can support quotas > >So I hunted online until I found the Redhat documentation about quotas: > >http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/admin-primer/s1-storage-quotas.html > >However, I got stuck right from the onset. I am suppose to modify >/etc/fstab to add the options for quotas for the /home directory. Problem >is that my fstab file has no entry for /home! > >Is this suppose to be the case? I am using k12ltsp based on RH 9. > >All help is greatly appreciated. > >thank you, >Joseph > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon Apr 5 18:39:09 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:39:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA support Message-ID: Does the current K12LTSP build support SATA drives? Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Apr 5 18:41:34 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:41:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close In-Reply-To: <20040405172007.124D073A40@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040405172007.124D073A40@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4071A85E.8020207@saskforestcentre.ca> My experience with this sort of thing is that you have a Windows DHCP server which paradoxically requires you to add a link in your filesystem. It serves up the incorrect path for your filesystem. It hands out /opt/ltsp/i3860000 instead of /opt/ltsp/i386. All you need to do is add a symbolic link. I can't remember off-hand if you need to check NFS exports - try it and see. Watch your client boot messages - it tells you the correct name. Smile and nod, though- it's a Win DHCP issue. Angus Carr. Message: 6 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:10:55 -0500 From: Brandon Kovach Subject: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <4071931F.6060605 at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I have a single NIC setup going. I have the client requesting an IP addy from a DHCP server, the DHCP server is talking with the K12 server, but the client says that it failed to mount the root filesystem from :/opt/ltsp/i386: Permission Denied. ANyone know what that means? Brandon Kovach New to this whole thing From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Apr 5 18:47:43 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:47:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling disk Quotas? In-Reply-To: <4071A7AA.6060804@sages.us> References: <4071A7AA.6060804@sages.us> Message-ID: <4071A9CF.3020103@cfl.rr.com> Very good, that's the first I've seen of this. I've been doing it manually in /etc/fstab, but I like this much better. I always like new ways to administer, especially if it's built right into Webmin, kudo's.... Thanks a bunch.... BC Jim Hays wrote: > Use WebMin to access the local file system. Select /home and set the > "Use quotas" selection at the bottom right. You will need to reboot. > > Then use WebMin to manage the quotas. > > > joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm attempting to setup disk quotas at the school. But when I attempted >> through Webmin I received the message >> >> No local filesystems can support quotas >> >> So I hunted online until I found the Redhat documentation about quotas: >> >> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/admin-primer/s1-storage-quotas.html >> >> >> However, I got stuck right from the onset. I am suppose to modify >> /etc/fstab to add the options for quotas for the /home directory. >> Problem >> is that my fstab file has no entry for /home! >> >> Is this suppose to be the case? I am using k12ltsp based on RH 9. >> >> All help is greatly appreciated. >> >> thank you, >> Joseph >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From csitech at practical.edu Mon Apr 5 18:43:09 2004 From: csitech at practical.edu (Calvin Park, ACDS) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:43:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a scanner from a terminal Message-ID: Is it possible to use a scanner from a terminal. My initial attempts have proved unfruitful. We're using a UMAX scanner, it works fine when someone is logged onto the server itself, but the terminal's don't detect it. Any ideas? As always, thanks in advance. Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical School of Bible and Ministry ----- Email: csitech at practical.edu WWW: http://www.practical.edu Phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 Fax: 607.729.2962 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Mon Apr 5 19:01:55 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:01:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] adding a second processor In-Reply-To: <64895.170.211.161.223.1081185589.squirrel@170.211.161.223> References: <64895.170.211.161.223.1081185589.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: <4071AD23.9010207@chartermi.net> Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Joe Guenther said: >>I have a test server K12LTSP4.0.1 running with a single processor. A second >>CPU is on the way. When I install it, will the Linux OS (kudzo) >>automatically recognize he second processor and offer to install the SMP >>kernel, or do I need to do a fresh install? > > Go ahead and install the smp kernel (preferably grab the latest WBEL SMP > kernel) and that should be it. Pop the second cpu in and boot it. My Athlon 1600MP dual proc machine handled/is handling 4.0.0/4.0.1 just fine. From reading the Fedora Core mail lists, it seemed to me, like people with dual intel processors were having problems, even through the problem was never pinned down to a specific cause. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Apr 5 19:10:59 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Massive Rsyncing In-Reply-To: <200404060028.05983.satimis@icare.com.hk> References: <20040404153617.52552.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com><1081179105.21030. 1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <200404060028.05983.satimis@icare.com.hk> Message-ID: <46901.10.130.0.22.1081192259.squirrel@webmail> Stephen Liu said: > What will be the function of the abovementioned line: > > .... > pref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 51200); > .... > > Whether increasing its capacity will result in the browser refreshing > quicker. That's the theory: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/netlib/cachefaq.html You probably need to take the speed of your network/disks and amount of data you repeatedly retrieve into consideration to determine if increasing that parameter would result in any appreciable increase in speed. -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Mon Apr 5 19:40:52 2004 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:40:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close In-Reply-To: <4071A85E.8020207@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <20040405172007.124D073A40@hormel.redhat.com> <4071A85E.8020207@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <4071B644.1000309@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Actually, It's Red Hat. Angus Carr wrote: > My experience with this sort of thing is that you have a Windows DHCP > server which paradoxically requires you to add a link in your > filesystem. It serves up the incorrect path for your filesystem. It > hands out /opt/ltsp/i3860000 instead of /opt/ltsp/i386. All you need to > do is add a symbolic link. I can't remember off-hand if you need to > check NFS exports - try it and see. > > Watch your client boot messages - it tells you the correct name. > > Smile and nod, though- it's a Win DHCP issue. > > Angus Carr. > > > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:10:55 -0500 > From: Brandon Kovach > Subject: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <4071931F.6060605 at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > I have a single NIC setup going. I have the client requesting an IP > addy from a DHCP server, the DHCP server is talking with the K12 server, > but the client says that it failed to mount the root filesystem from addy>:/opt/ltsp/i386: Permission Denied. > > ANyone know what that means? > > Brandon Kovach > New to this whole thing > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Apr 5 19:52:15 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:52:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close In-Reply-To: <20040405194115.A06C973CE3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040405194115.A06C973CE3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4071B8EF.2070608@saskforestcentre.ca> Oh, well, there goes that theory. Angus. Message: 10 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:40:52 -0500 From: Brandon Kovach Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <4071B644.1000309 at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Actually, It's Red Hat. <--snip--> From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Mon Apr 5 20:39:40 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Enabling disk Quotas? In-Reply-To: <20040405194115.A06C973CE3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Brian, Thanks so very much! you are correct - I had /home within "/" partition. Didn't realize I wasn't suppose to. Thanks, Joseph From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Mon Apr 5 21:01:02 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:01:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP at CASBO conference Message-ID: <4071C90E.4030807@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Thanks to the hardwork of some compatriots from a nearby district, they and I will be setting up a K12LTSP based e-mail garden/demo lab at the California Association of School Business Officials Annual Conference in Sacramento next week. We haven't had a chance to sit and discuss exactly how the operation will work, but I have some ideas and welcome yours as well. Since the majority of the folks coming through and seeing the lab are going to be non-technical school district decision makers, I figure a one page flyer professionally designed will be useful to get the key points of K12LTSP across (do any exist already?). I also assume/hope we'll have the ability to do some quick 5 minute demos on an ad hoc basis - what would you show off if you only had 5 minutes with a CBO or superintendent? I know others have done similar things before, so I'm hoping to get some good ideas from all of you! -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Mon Apr 5 21:56:17 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:56:17 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] Rebuiliding K12LTSP server's kernel with supermount support Message-ID: <28237386.1081202177384.JavaMail.oracle@linares> El Lunes, 5 de Abril de 2004 08:03, cliebow escribi?: > my bet..Jim would say use pure unpatched source code for kernel.org..no > need to use fedora source whatsoever...chuck Hi! Well, so be it. I've compiled the kernel 2.4.24 with supermount support using /boot/config-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl config file plus supermount built as a module. It worked and boots, but the mouse problem appear! I can see the device /dev/input/mice as always, but the mouse doesn't move in the console nor in Xfree. It works in the terminals though. It wouldn't be a problem if the server wouldn't be used as another desktop machine by the director of the School hehehe. In my case it's an optical mouse, and it lights (so the driver is loaded). A lsmod tells me that usbcore, mousedev, usb-uhci, ehci-hcd and hid modules are loaded. In /var/log/messages I can even see a message about my mouse ("Microsoft Intellimose Optical blahblah in usb1:2.0 port"). What are the difference I've noticed then? As far as I can tell you, in /var/log/messages the message "usb.c: registered new driver hiddev" doesn't appear with my vanilla 2.4.24 + supermount kernel. and yes, hiddev is builtin the kernel. Another difference: cat /dev/input/mice usually propmts input when I move my mouse in K12LTSP defualt's kernel, but nothing in mine. I've been trying to solve the problem in the irc channels #ltsp and #fedora (freenode) but I haven't still success. Anyway, thanks you! Help needed, Edulix. From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon Apr 5 22:00:49 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:00:49 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling disk Quotas? Message-ID: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: >> However, I got stuck right from the onset. I am suppose to modify /etc/fstab to add the options for quotas for the /home directory. Problem is that my fstab file has no entry for /home! << I see you've had some replies on this already, but no-one has pointed out the fundamental truth: that quotas apply on a per-filesystem basis, not to directory trees. If /home is just a directory tree in the root filesystem - as opposed to a separate filesystem - then you cannot apply quotas to /home. You could apply quotas to /, but then you're forcing the system to maintain quota information for *everything* in the root filesystem. This is just one of many reasons why, at the very least /home should be a separate filesystem (see the "How to Partition?" section of http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/87cd60bdf18a2a75ca256caf001594b4?OpenDocument for others). At least dump/restore can now work on directories rather than filesystems. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Apr 5 17:07:50 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:07:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rebuiliding K12LTSP server's kernel with supermount support In-Reply-To: <28237386.1081202177384.JavaMail.oracle@linares> References: <28237386.1081202177384.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Message-ID: <04040513103300.08281@newguy> ahh yes see you there quite a llot...i am sure you know that activity on client is controlled by downloaded kernel and on server by its own kernel...i am listening on #ltsp a lot but run out to other schools and review the activity when i can....must defer to jammcq as he is exceptional resource.chuck From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Mon Apr 5 22:32:13 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:32:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a scanner from a terminal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4071DE6D.4060605@snet.net> What UMAX and what driver are you using? I have a Umax Vistascan that I have given up trying to use with my Linux box (works with OS X). tony Calvin Park, ACDS wrote: > Is it possible to use a scanner from a terminal. My initial attempts have > proved unfruitful. We're using a UMAX scanner, it works fine when someone is > logged onto the server itself, but the terminal's don't detect it. Any > ideas? As always, thanks in advance. > > Calvin Park > Associate Director of Computer Services > Davis College: A Practical School of Bible and Ministry > ----- > Email: csitech at practical.edu > WWW: http://www.practical.edu > Phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 > Fax: 607.729.2962 > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From shawn at nccsc.k12.in.us Mon Apr 5 22:33:46 2004 From: shawn at nccsc.k12.in.us (Shawn Iverson) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:33:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC Message-ID: On Friday, April 02, 2004 8:46 AM Justin Paulsen wrote: > In place of AD you might want to look at Novell's eDirectory. It runs > on Linux. As for the mail server try using a directory driven one like > Novell's Groupwise, OpenGroupware.org (pain to setup last I tried), > Oracle Colaboration Suite, Sun's mail server (wouldn't recommend this > one), Sendmail, etc. Then use a client that will interface with it like > Evolution, OpenGroupware.org has a web interface, Novell has both a > client and a web interface, sendmail has a web interface, sun has a web > interface (again wouldn't recommend this one), etc. and they can all run > on Linux. :) eDirectory may be my only chance at grabbing the corporate "steering wheel." I think I will attempt to campaign in favor of it. My basic understanding is that eDirectory is not operating system specific. I spoke with my boss, and he has said that since he received a large grant, he wants to proceed to an AD domain. Btw, has anyone tried egroupware? Is it a promising alternative to Exchange? I am not impressed with OGO because of the proprietary connectors needed. I don't necessarily need a client-side app. running the show. From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Apr 5 22:50:03 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:50:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4071E29B.40400@cfl.rr.com> Give it up, your manager sounds committed in the Microsoft direction. Shawn Iverson wrote: > On Friday, April 02, 2004 8:46 AM Justin Paulsen wrote: > >>In place of AD you might want to look at Novell's eDirectory. It runs >>on Linux. As for the mail server try using a directory driven one like >>Novell's Groupwise, OpenGroupware.org (pain to setup last I tried), >>Oracle Colaboration Suite, Sun's mail server (wouldn't recommend this >>one), Sendmail, etc. Then use a client that will interface with it like >>Evolution, OpenGroupware.org has a web interface, Novell has both a >>client and a web interface, sendmail has a web interface, sun has a web >>interface (again wouldn't recommend this one), etc. and they can all run >>on Linux. :) > > > eDirectory may be my only chance at grabbing the corporate "steering wheel." > I think I will attempt to campaign in favor of it. My basic understanding > is that eDirectory is not operating system specific. I spoke with my boss, > and he has said that since he received a large grant, he wants to proceed to > an AD domain. > > Btw, has anyone tried egroupware? Is it a promising alternative to > Exchange? I am not impressed with OGO because of the proprietary connectors > needed. I don't necessarily need a client-side app. running the show. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Apr 5 23:52:32 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:52:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC In-Reply-To: <4071E29B.40400@cfl.rr.com> References: <4071E29B.40400@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4071F140.3070305@cmosnetworks.com> This is what happens when administrators get "big grants." If they don't have to pony up themselves, then they don't care what they spend, be it for support or for the actual item! Don't give up, though; I haven't, and my shop's likely worse than yours. If you're looking at OpenGroupware.org, then you might consider looking at SuSE Openexchange Server. I'm sure that, given their support of educational institutions, they'd be willing to at least shoot you an eval copy to try out. Since you're considering Novell eDirectory, and Novell owns SuSE, this might be a good match. --TP Brian Chase wrote: > Give it up, your manager sounds committed in the Microsoft direction. > > Shawn Iverson wrote: > >> On Friday, April 02, 2004 8:46 AM Justin Paulsen wrote: >> >>> In place of AD you might want to look at Novell's eDirectory. It runs >>> on Linux. As for the mail server try using a directory driven one like >>> Novell's Groupwise, OpenGroupware.org (pain to setup last I tried), >>> Oracle Colaboration Suite, Sun's mail server (wouldn't recommend this >>> one), Sendmail, etc. Then use a client that will interface with it >>> like >>> Evolution, OpenGroupware.org has a web interface, Novell has both a >>> client and a web interface, sendmail has a web interface, sun has a web >>> interface (again wouldn't recommend this one), etc. and they can all >>> run >>> on Linux. :) >> >> >> >> eDirectory may be my only chance at grabbing the corporate "steering >> wheel." >> I think I will attempt to campaign in favor of it. My basic >> understanding >> is that eDirectory is not operating system specific. I spoke with my >> boss, >> and he has said that since he received a large grant, he wants to >> proceed to >> an AD domain. >> >> Btw, has anyone tried egroupware? Is it a promising alternative to >> Exchange? I am not impressed with OGO because of the proprietary >> connectors >> needed. I don't necessarily need a client-side app. running the show. >> From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Apr 6 00:02:28 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:02:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close In-Reply-To: <4071B8EF.2070608@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <20040405194115.A06C973CE3@hormel.redhat.com> <4071B8EF.2070608@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <4071F394.4070302@cmosnetworks.com> I've seen this before, and when I had to deal with it, it turned out to be settings in nfs that were wacked. Make sure that your /etc/exports file looks something like this (this one came straight off of my server): [microman at takhisis microman]$ more /etc/exports ## LTS-begin ## # # The lines between the 'LTS-begin' and the 'LTS-end' were added # on: Wed Nov 28 11:19:42 PST 2001 by the ltsp installation script. # For more information, visit the ltsp homepage # at http://www.ltsp.org # /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash) /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) # # The following entries need to be uncommented if you want # Local App support in ltsp # /home 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) ## LTS-end ## [microman at takhisis microman]$ Note that I allow the entire 192.168.0.0/24 subnet for all three directories. Also note that no_root_squash is turned on. This, BTW, should be the default config, but if something got hosed, try this out. HTH, --TP Angus Carr wrote: > Oh, well, there goes that theory. > > Angus. > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:40:52 -0500 > From: Brandon Kovach > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4071B644.1000309 at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Actually, It's Red Hat. > > <--snip--> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Apr 6 00:01:56 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:31:56 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close In-Reply-To: <4071931F.6060605@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> References: <4071931F.6060605@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1081209716.2952.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 22:40, Brandon Kovach wrote: > I have a single NIC setup going. I have the client requesting an IP > addy from a DHCP server, the DHCP server is talking with the K12 server, > but the client says that it failed to mount the root filesystem from addy>:/opt/ltsp/i386: Permission Denied. Brandon, This means that your NFS is not correctly setup. If you have installed K12LTSP with default options then this should not have been the case. Look at /etc/exports and see if the correct IP range is being exported! HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From gjkramer at shaw.ca Tue Apr 6 00:30:44 2004 From: gjkramer at shaw.ca (Gustav Kramer) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:30:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a scanner from a terminal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081211444.32036.9.camel@server.ltsp> Calvin, There is an ltsp_sane tarball on the ltsp download site that should help you. I've never tried it as my scanner isn't supported under linux but the readme seems helpful. Let us know how you make out. - gustav On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 11:43, Calvin Park, ACDS wrote: > Is it possible to use a scanner from a terminal. My initial attempts have > proved unfruitful. We're using a UMAX scanner, it works fine when someone is > logged onto the server itself, but the terminal's don't detect it. Any > ideas? As always, thanks in advance. > > Calvin Park > Associate Director of Computer Services > Davis College: A Practical School of Bible and Ministry > ----- > Email: csitech at practical.edu > WWW: http://www.practical.edu > Phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 > Fax: 607.729.2962 > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Tue Apr 6 09:43:12 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:43:12 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] Rebuiliding K12LTSP server's kernel with supermount support Message-ID: <16014528.1081244592983.JavaMail.oracle@linares> El Lunes, 5 de Abril de 2004 19:07, cliebow escribi?: > ahh yes see you there quite a llot...i am sure you know that activity on > client is controlled by downloaded kernel and on server by its own > kernel...i am listening on #ltsp a lot but run out to other schools and > review the activity when i can....must defer to jammcq as he is exceptional > resource.chuck Oh, I've already been dealing with the problem with jammcq's help in the #ltsp Freenode's IRC channel, but we weren't able to solve it. I suspect that maybe in fedora's mailinglist they could help me as they were the ones which built the fedora's kernel and therefore have more knoeldge about their distro. BTW, I'm building the kernel for the LTSP _server_ =). Thanks for your time, Edulix. From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Tue Apr 6 12:54:27 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Enabling Disk Quotas In-Reply-To: <20040405235243.D2114739BC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Greetings, > the fundamental truth: that quotas apply on a per-filesystem basis, not to > directory trees. If /home is just a directory tree in the root filesystem - > as opposed to a separate filesystem - then you cannot apply quotas to > /home. You could apply quotas to /, but then you're forcing the system to > maintain quota information for *everything* in the root filesystem. Does this not have some benefits? IE: I can restrict how large the log files can grow, etc? Since I'm now stuck with having /home as part of the main filesystem, from what I have read the best option is to apply a quota to the group of users I'm interested in (IE: the group "students" for example). And, if I understand that correctly, what I am doing is specifying a quota size that the *whole* group cannot exceed, rather than specifying a quota which the system will then apply to each member in the group. Is that correct, or did I just give everyone a 1 gig quota? Thanks, Joseph From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Tue Apr 6 13:08:34 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:08:34 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Enabling Disk Quotas Message-ID: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: >> Does this not have some benefits? IE: I can restrict how large the log files can grow, etc? << No, it *could* be disastrous, when the root file system appears to be full to various daemons, etc. I'd be very, very cautious with this. >> Since I'm now stuck with having /home as part of the main filesystem, from what I have read the best option is to apply a quota to the group of users I'm interested in (IE: the group "students" for example). And, if I understand that correctly, what I am doing is specifying a quota size that the *whole* group cannot exceed, rather than specifying a quota which the system will then apply to each member in the group. Is that correct, or did I just give everyone a 1 gig quota? << Assuming you did edquota -g, then the quota is for a group. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Tue Apr 6 13:48:31 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:48:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP at CASBO conference In-Reply-To: <4071C90E.4030807@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <4071C90E.4030807@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <4072B52F.2070007@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Chris Hobbs wrote: > Thanks to the hardwork of some compatriots from a nearby district, they > and I will be setting up a K12LTSP based e-mail garden/demo lab at the > California Association of School Business Officials Annual Conference in > Sacramento next week. > > We haven't had a chance to sit and discuss exactly how the operation > will work, but I have some ideas and welcome yours as well. > > Since the majority of the folks coming through and seeing the lab are > going to be non-technical school district decision makers, I figure a > one page flyer professionally designed will be useful to get the key > points of K12LTSP across (do any exist already?). I also assume/hope > we'll have the ability to do some quick 5 minute demos on an ad hoc > basis - what would you show off if you only had 5 minutes with a CBO or > superintendent? > > I know others have done similar things before, so I'm hoping to get some > good ideas from all of you! > Well I created a brochure to try and generate some consulting business for myself this summer and next year. It outlines the benefits of K12LTSP for schools. Maybe you could take it, modify it and use it? ALSO, I think you'll want to include the OpenOffice.org brochure. You can find these both on my page here... http://glenwood.k12.mo.us/k12ltsp.htm Good luck. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Apr 6 17:27:56 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:27:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> I've searched and searched and can not find textbooks for OpenOffice. I remember someone posting a link here but searching the archives produced no results. Does anyone know of some textbooks for teaching OO? I seem to recall there was a book for each aspect, Writer, Calc, Presenter etc.. --Huck From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Apr 6 17:32:43 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:32:43 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC Message-ID: <040620041732.14613.4072E9BB000AF819000039152200762302FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> I will second the vote for SUSE OpenExchange if you are looking at a commercial product. A non-profit I work with is now using this and it has some nice features. SUSE also has a school server product that you should look at as well for an out-of-box solution. Not an ad, but http://www.suse.com/us/business/products/openexchange/student_version.html SUSE is looking to turn this into an OSS product which could be promising. You can still use K12LTSP for all the work-horse systems with vendor support for the 'critical' systems and validate against the school server product. eGroupware and Group Office are also nice OSS solutions that might work for kids accounts (OpenExchange has a rate of like $10.00 per user/year or some such). The powers-that-be might buy into this approach since it has a company behind it. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > This is what happens when administrators get "big grants." If they > don't have to pony up themselves, then they don't care what they spend, > be it for support or for the actual item! > > Don't give up, though; I haven't, and my shop's likely worse than > yours. If you're looking at OpenGroupware.org, then you might consider > looking at SuSE Openexchange Server. I'm sure that, given their support > of educational institutions, they'd be willing to at least shoot you an > eval copy to try out. Since you're considering Novell eDirectory, and > Novell owns SuSE, this might be a good match. > > --TP > > > Brian Chase wrote: > > > Give it up, your manager sounds committed in the Microsoft direction. > > > > Shawn Iverson wrote: > > > >> On Friday, April 02, 2004 8:46 AM Justin Paulsen wrote: > >> > >>> In place of AD you might want to look at Novell's eDirectory. It runs > >>> on Linux. As for the mail server try using a directory driven one like > >>> Novell's Groupwise, OpenGroupware.org (pain to setup last I tried), > >>> Oracle Colaboration Suite, Sun's mail server (wouldn't recommend this > >>> one), Sendmail, etc. Then use a client that will interface with it > >>> like > >>> Evolution, OpenGroupware.org has a web interface, Novell has both a > >>> client and a web interface, sendmail has a web interface, sun has a web > >>> interface (again wouldn't recommend this one), etc. and they can all > >>> run > >>> on Linux. :) > >> > >> > >> > >> eDirectory may be my only chance at grabbing the corporate "steering > >> wheel." > >> I think I will attempt to campaign in favor of it. My basic > >> understanding > >> is that eDirectory is not operating system specific. I spoke with my > >> boss, > >> and he has said that since he received a large grant, he wants to > >> proceed to > >> an AD domain. > >> > >> Btw, has anyone tried egroupware? Is it a promising alternative to > >> Exchange? I am not impressed with OGO because of the proprietary > >> connectors > >> needed. I don't necessarily need a client-side app. running the show. > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Apr 6 17:34:07 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:34:07 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP vs PC Message-ID: <040620041734.28095.4072EA0F000658B800006DBF2200763704FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> bad form, but ... OpenExchange also has connectors for Outlook (oSLOX and iSLOX). Dave ... > I will second the vote for SUSE OpenExchange if you are looking at a commercial > product. A non-profit I work with is now using this and it has some nice > features. SUSE also has a school server product that you should look at as well > for an out-of-box solution. Not an ad, but > http://www.suse.com/us/business/products/openexchange/student_version.html > > SUSE is looking to turn this into an OSS product which could be promising. > You can still use K12LTSP for all the work-horse systems with vendor support for > the 'critical' systems and validate against the school server product. > > eGroupware and Group Office are also nice OSS solutions that might work for kids > accounts (OpenExchange has a rate of like $10.00 per user/year or some such). > > The powers-that-be might buy into this approach since it has a company behind > it. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > This is what happens when administrators get "big grants." If they > > don't have to pony up themselves, then they don't care what they spend, > > be it for support or for the actual item! > > > > Don't give up, though; I haven't, and my shop's likely worse than > > yours. If you're looking at OpenGroupware.org, then you might consider > > looking at SuSE Openexchange Server. I'm sure that, given their support > > of educational institutions, they'd be willing to at least shoot you an > > eval copy to try out. Since you're considering Novell eDirectory, and > > Novell owns SuSE, this might be a good match. > > > > --TP > > > > > > Brian Chase wrote: > > > > > Give it up, your manager sounds committed in the Microsoft direction. > > > > > > Shawn Iverson wrote: > > > > > >> On Friday, April 02, 2004 8:46 AM Justin Paulsen wrote: > > >> > > >>> In place of AD you might want to look at Novell's eDirectory. It runs > > >>> on Linux. As for the mail server try using a directory driven one like > > > >>> Novell's Groupwise, OpenGroupware.org (pain to setup last I tried), > > >>> Oracle Colaboration Suite, Sun's mail server (wouldn't recommend this > > >>> one), Sendmail, etc. Then use a client that will interface with it > > >>> like > > >>> Evolution, OpenGroupware.org has a web interface, Novell has both a > > >>> client and a web interface, sendmail has a web interface, sun has a web > > >>> interface (again wouldn't recommend this one), etc. and they can all > > >>> run > > >>> on Linux. :) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> eDirectory may be my only chance at grabbing the corporate "steering > > >> wheel." > > >> I think I will attempt to campaign in favor of it. My basic > > >> understanding > > >> is that eDirectory is not operating system specific. I spoke with my > > >> boss, > > >> and he has said that since he received a large grant, he wants to > > >> proceed to > > >> an AD domain. > > >> > > >> Btw, has anyone tried egroupware? Is it a promising alternative to > > >> Exchange? I am not impressed with OGO because of the proprietary > > >> connectors > > > >> needed. I don't necessarily need a client-side app. running the show. > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 6 18:03:27 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:03:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP Message-ID: <006901c41c01$79194220$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this summer. Right now if a user logs in via appletalk they get to choose from multiple share points. Is this possible with netatalk? Or is it possible to have aliases within the users home directory to take them to other home directories as long as they have proper permissions to the other folders via group privileges? Can this same setup also be accessed via FTP as well? Here is a scenario if it helps: User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop folder located in /home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ Can this user either: A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and /1sthourdrop/ or B. Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an alias to /1sthourdrop/ I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes option to lock into the users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. Whatever solution I go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in from home via FTP on a Windows based system they can traverse directories in the same fashion. Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, and we are adding more Windows machines, when we get to adding Linux machines they will be thin clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect this configuration as well. I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And please straighten me out if there is a better way to do this. I want to avoid giving users more than one username and password. Also depending on what activities or courses a student is involved in, this won't be limited to two folders, there may be half a dozen in some cases. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 6 18:13:02 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:13:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks In-Reply-To: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> Solveig Haugland, who wrote the original StarOffice book for Sun, has her own website of manuals, etc., including a workbook. See www.getopenoffice.org. She also does training, which might be a good way to get a bunch of teachers up to speed quickly on it. Also, if you go to Amazon (www.amazon.com) and search for openoffice, you'll find a bunch of books and crib sheets. Petre Huck wrote: > I've searched and searched and can not find textbooks for OpenOffice. > I remember someone posting a link here but searching the archives > produced no results. > > Does anyone know of some textbooks for teaching OO? > I seem to recall there was a book for each aspect, Writer, Calc, > Presenter etc.. > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haysja at sages.us Tue Apr 6 18:13:57 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:13:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <006901c41c01$79194220$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <006901c41c01$79194220$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4072F365.4060505@sages.us> We have students with Macs accessing folders on K12LTSP. As far as the client is concerned, they don't even know that this is not on a Mac or Windows server. You can make multiple shared folders as you indicate, I have not tried to put the shortcut in but it should work. Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this summer. Right > now if a user logs in via appletalk they get to choose from multiple > share points. Is this possible with netatalk? Or is it possible to > have aliases within the users home directory to take them to other > home directories as long as they have proper permissions to the other > folders via group privileges? Can this same setup also be accessed > via FTP as well? > > Here is a scenario if it helps: > > User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ > Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop folder located > in /home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ > > Can this user either: > A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and /1sthourdrop/ or > B. Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an alias to /1sthourdrop/ > > I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes option to lock > into the users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. > Whatever solution I go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in > from home via FTP on a Windows based system they can traverse > directories in the same fashion. > > Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, and we are > adding more Windows machines, when we get to adding Linux machines > they will be thin clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect this > configuration as well. > > I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And please > straighten me out if there is a better way to do this. I want to > avoid giving users more than one username and password. Also > depending on what activities or courses a student is involved in, this > won't be limited to two folders, there may be half a dozen in some cases. > > Thanks > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 6 18:24:46 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:24:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <4072F365.4060505@sages.us> Message-ID: <007801c41c04$7386af70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> When you make multiple shared folders do you see them as share points to mount when accessing through the chooser or Go menu? Have you ever accessed this via FTP to see if it shows up the same? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hays Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:14 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP We have students with Macs accessing folders on K12LTSP. As far as the client is concerned, they don't even know that this is not on a Mac or Windows server. You can make multiple shared folders as you indicate, I have not tried to put the shortcut in but it should work. Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this summer. Right > now if a user logs in via appletalk they get to choose from multiple > share points. Is this possible with netatalk? Or is it possible to > have aliases within the users home directory to take them to other > home directories as long as they have proper permissions to the other > folders via group privileges? Can this same setup also be accessed > via FTP as well? > > Here is a scenario if it helps: > > User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ > Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop folder located > in /home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ > > Can this user either: > A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and /1sthourdrop/ or B. > Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an alias to > /1sthourdrop/ > > I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes option to lock > into the users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. > Whatever solution I go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in > from home via FTP on a Windows based system they can traverse > directories in the same fashion. > > Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, and we are > adding more Windows machines, when we get to adding Linux machines > they will be thin clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect this > configuration as well. > > I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And please > straighten me out if there is a better way to do this. I want to > avoid giving users more than one username and password. Also > depending on what activities or courses a student is involved in, this > won't be limited to two folders, there may be half a dozen in some cases. > > Thanks > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From haysja at sages.us Tue Apr 6 18:30:07 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:30:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <007801c41c04$7386af70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007801c41c04$7386af70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4072F72F.9070101@sages.us> I haven't accessed through ftp. Access through the "Go" menu or Chooser is the same as with a share from a Mac server or a Windows server running services for Macintosh. I don't have FTP enabled on my server. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >When you make multiple shared folders do you see them as share points to >mount when accessing through the chooser or Go menu? Have you ever >accessed this via FTP to see if it shows up the same? > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Jim Hays >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:14 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP > > >We have students with Macs accessing folders on K12LTSP. As far as the >client is concerned, they don't even know that this is not on a Mac or >Windows server. > >You can make multiple shared folders as you indicate, I have not tried >to put the shortcut in but it should work. > > >Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this summer. Right >>now if a user logs in via appletalk they get to choose from multiple >>share points. Is this possible with netatalk? Or is it possible to >>have aliases within the users home directory to take them to other >>home directories as long as they have proper permissions to the other >>folders via group privileges? Can this same setup also be accessed >>via FTP as well? >> >>Here is a scenario if it helps: >> >>User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ >>Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop folder located >>in /home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ >> >>Can this user either: >>A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and /1sthourdrop/ or B. >>Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an alias to >>/1sthourdrop/ >> >>I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes option to lock >>into the users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. >>Whatever solution I go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in >>from home via FTP on a Windows based system they can traverse >>directories in the same fashion. >> >>Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, and we are >>adding more Windows machines, when we get to adding Linux machines >>they will be thin clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect this >> >> > > > >>configuration as well. >> >>I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And please >>straighten me out if there is a better way to do this. I want to >>avoid giving users more than one username and password. Also >>depending on what activities or courses a student is involved in, this >> >> > > > >>won't be limited to two folders, there may be half a dozen in some >> >> >cases. > > >> >>Thanks >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 6 18:34:24 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:34:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <4072F72F.9070101@sages.us> Message-ID: <007901c41c05$cbafd950$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks Jim, that at least answers a third of my problem :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hays Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:30 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP I haven't accessed through ftp. Access through the "Go" menu or Chooser is the same as with a share from a Mac server or a Windows server running services for Macintosh. I don't have FTP enabled on my server. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >When you make multiple shared folders do you see them as share points >to mount when accessing through the chooser or Go menu? Have you ever >accessed this via FTP to see if it shows up the same? > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Jim Hays >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:14 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and >vsFTP > > >We have students with Macs accessing folders on K12LTSP. As far as the >client is concerned, they don't even know that this is not on a Mac or >Windows server. > >You can make multiple shared folders as you indicate, I have not tried >to put the shortcut in but it should work. > > >Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this summer. Right >>now if a user logs in via appletalk they get to choose from multiple >>share points. Is this possible with netatalk? Or is it possible to >>have aliases within the users home directory to take them to other >>home directories as long as they have proper permissions to the other >>folders via group privileges? Can this same setup also be accessed >>via FTP as well? >> >>Here is a scenario if it helps: >> >>User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ >>Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop folder located >>in /home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ >> >>Can this user either: >>A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and /1sthourdrop/ or B. >>Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an alias to >>/1sthourdrop/ >> >>I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes option to lock >>into the users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. >>Whatever solution I go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in >>from home via FTP on a Windows based system they can traverse >>directories in the same fashion. >> >>Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, and we are >>adding more Windows machines, when we get to adding Linux machines >>they will be thin clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect this >> >> > > > >>configuration as well. >> >>I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And please >>straighten me out if there is a better way to do this. I want to >>avoid giving users more than one username and password. Also >>depending on what activities or courses a student is involved in, this >> >> > > > >>won't be limited to two folders, there may be half a dozen in some >> >> >cases. > > >> >>Thanks >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>- >>- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From kurt at kurt-harlan.net Tue Apr 6 18:52:00 2004 From: kurt at kurt-harlan.net (Kurt Harlan) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:52:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OOo Texts In-Reply-To: <20040406182259.450D5741FF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040406182259.450D5741FF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <7C757242-87FB-11D8-A2A3-00306542DC76@kurt-harlan.net> I remembered this reference from an earlier post . . . "OOoSwitch: 501 Things You Want to Know About . . ." (It's a book) HTH, Kurt ----- On Apr 6, 2004, at 11:22 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:13:02 -0500 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4072F32E.4030305 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Solveig Haugland, who wrote the original StarOffice book for Sun, has > her own > website of manuals, etc., including a workbook. See > www.getopenoffice.org. She > also does training, which might be a good way to get a bunch of > teachers up to > speed quickly on it. > > Also, if you go to Amazon (www.amazon.com) and search for openoffice, > you'll > find a bunch of books and crib sheets. > > Petre > > Huck wrote: >> I've searched and searched and can not find textbooks for OpenOffice. >> I remember someone posting a link here but searching the archives >> produced no results. >> >> Does anyone know of some textbooks for teaching OO? >> I seem to recall there was a book for each aspect, Writer, Calc, >> Presenter etc.. >> >> --Huck >> From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Tue Apr 6 18:57:14 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:57:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <006901c41c01$79194220$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On 4/6/04 11:03 AM, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this summer. Right now if a > user logs in via appletalk they get to choose from multiple share points. Is > this possible with netatalk? Yep Look in your AppleVolumes.default file Mine looks like this: ~ Net_Home /data/public Public So the kids see a share called Net_Home and one called Public > Or is it possible to have aliases within the > users home directory to take them to other home directories as long as they > have proper permissions to the other folders via group privileges? I don't think unix symlinks work in the macintosh finder. At least I have not gotten this to work. >Can this > same setup also be accessed via FTP as well? I don't see why not.. I'm not much for FTP though. > > Here is a scenario if it helps: > > User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ > Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop folder located in > /home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ > > Can this user either: > A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and /1sthourdrop/ or > B. Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an alias to /1sthourdrop/ I have a folder for each teacher in public. The kids just drop their files in there. I'm sure there is a better way but I've been to busy to mess with it. > > I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes option to lock into the > users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. Whatever solution I > go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in from home via FTP on a > Windows based system they can traverse directories in the same fashion. > > Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, and we are adding more > Windows machines, Windows machines? You must be one of them masochists ;) Almost All new machines we buy are emacs. So low matenience. I tag 'em, netboot and image, send them out and never see them again. They work so good. Sorry.. Advertisement over haha! >when we get to adding Linux machines they will be thin > clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect this configuration as well. > > I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And please straighten me > out if there is a better way to do this. I want to avoid giving users more > than one username and password. Also depending on what activities or courses > a student is involved in, this won't be limited to two folders, there may be > half a dozen in some cases. > > Thanks > I hope this helps at least alittle. Good luck! Jamie > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > - Jamie From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Tue Apr 6 18:59:14 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:59:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba / Ldap Password Issues Message-ID: I'm having some issues with samba 3 and my ldap passwords. First I'll tell you what I'm working with. Ldap server is RH 7.3 and openldap 2.0.25 DBM (RPM From Eric) Samba 3.0.2a-1 using ldapsam_compat (Compiled from RPM source by me ) on RHEL 3 Samba 2.2.8-1.ldap (RPM from Eric) on RH9 -------------- The Samba 2 works great. Auth against ldap no problem. The Samba 3 does not work.. Well not really. If I change the users password using smbldap-passwd.pl (or the ldap webmin module) to the same (or different) password they had before it works. When I look at the nt and lan hashes in the ldap records they have not changed! It's almost like I need to some how touch the ldap record for it to work This is really confusing.. Any one have an idea? - Jamie Heres a sample LDIF record dn: uid=mimc08,ou=People,dc=newberg,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us shadowLastChange: 12370 rid: 11126 primaryGroupID: 11127 acctFlags: [U ] gecos: Millen Mc uidNumber: 5063 userPassword: {crypt}PIsNAk2Yp2XmU gidNumber: 501 objectClass: account objectClass: posixAccount objectClass: sambaAccount objectClass: top objectClass: shadowAccount objectClass: inetorgperson objectClass: apple-user objectClass: extensibleObject objectClass: newberg lmPassword: 57E3A052197F90B0AAD3B435B51404EE homeDirectory: /data/students/mimc08 ntPassword: DF32985352318202CC224ECFD06B0599 cn: Millen Mc sn: null loginShell: /bin/false uid: mimc08 From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Apr 6 19:02:31 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (Norbert) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:02:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Lost MACs in routing .... Message-ID: <2F8653CB.11DBEC90.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Chris, Here's the output; [root at studioxx root]# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 [root at studioxx root]# cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 1 However at a "server" reboot everything works ??? Thanks for the help it was greatly appreciated. Norbert norbert wrote: >Hi Chris, > >Thanks for the prompt response, but I'm remote to the site currently and >won't be back until Monday. I'll relay the information then. > >norbert > >ckjohnson at gwi.net wrote: > >> On the ltsp server what output do these commands produce? >> route -n >> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward >> iptables -vnL -t nat >> >> On the mac what is the subnet mask? >> On the mac what is the default gateway? >> >> Chris >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Tue Apr 6 19:41:45 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:41:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks In-Reply-To: <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <407307F9.2090809@jsoft.com> I second that suggestion. I have her 'Core Office Suite, Essentials, Writer, Calc, and Impress' in my hand as I type (which splains any errors ;-) ) It's a workbook that goes over how to use a bunch of OOo. And she does training. Gary Petre Scheie wrote: > Solveig Haugland, who wrote the original StarOffice book for Sun, has > her own website of manuals, etc., including a workbook. See > www.getopenoffice.org. She also does training, which might be a good > way to get a bunch of teachers up to speed quickly on it. > > Also, if you go to Amazon (www.amazon.com) and search for openoffice, > you'll find a bunch of books and crib sheets. > > Petre > > Huck wrote: > >> I've searched and searched and can not find textbooks for OpenOffice. >> I remember someone posting a link here but searching the archives >> produced no results. >> >> Does anyone know of some textbooks for teaching OO? >> I seem to recall there was a book for each aspect, Writer, Calc, >> Presenter etc.. >> >> --Huck >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 6 18:43:26 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:43:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba / Ldap Password Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081277006.3245.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 13:59, jamie wrote: > I'm having some issues with samba 3 and my ldap passwords. First I'll tell > you what I'm working with. Are you running nscd (name service caching daemon)? If so stop or restart it to see if the changes become effective. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Apr 6 19:59:59 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:59:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks In-Reply-To: <407307F9.2090809@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <000801c41c11$bd9b2660$1803010a@paasda.org> In your opinion would this work nicely for a curriculm text in a high school setting? And is it written in such a fashion that a semi-computer literate computer applications teacher Can understand and teach from it? What I'm trying to do is what many others are I assume, reduce the $100 per machine license fees our school is spending to teach office applications...currently the textbooks in use come with teacher resource cd's with example files and project files that the students manipulate, view, etc. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gary Frederick Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:42 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks I second that suggestion. I have her 'Core Office Suite, Essentials, Writer, Calc, and Impress' in my hand as I type (which splains any errors ;-) ) It's a workbook that goes over how to use a bunch of OOo. And she does training. Gary Petre Scheie wrote: > Solveig Haugland, who wrote the original StarOffice book for Sun, has > her own website of manuals, etc., including a workbook. See > www.getopenoffice.org. She also does training, which might be a good > way to get a bunch of teachers up to speed quickly on it. > > Also, if you go to Amazon (www.amazon.com) and search for openoffice, > you'll find a bunch of books and crib sheets. > > Petre > > Huck wrote: > >> I've searched and searched and can not find textbooks for OpenOffice. >> I remember someone posting a link here but searching the archives >> produced no results. >> >> Does anyone know of some textbooks for teaching OO? >> I seem to recall there was a book for each aspect, Writer, Calc, >> Presenter etc.. >> >> --Huck >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 6 20:07:57 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:07:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks In-Reply-To: <000801c41c11$bd9b2660$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000801c41c11$bd9b2660$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40730E1D.1030007@maltzen.net> Ask Solveig directly; you can email her directly at solveig at getopenoffice.org. (This is one of the greate aspects of OSS, you can usually contact the creators directly.) Granted, she can't give you an unbiased assessment of the workbook, but she can tell you what it covers and whether it would be appropriate for what you want. I haven't seen her Core book, but I bought the SO 5.2 book years ago, and have corresponded with her on some things and she's always been very helpful. I agree that for a lot of schools, having a predefined curriculum for OOo would go a long ways toward making it possible for them to teach that instead of more expensive proprietary office suites. Petre Huck wrote: > In your opinion would this work nicely for a curriculm text in a high > school setting? > And is it written in such a fashion that a semi-computer literate > computer applications teacher > Can understand and teach from it? > > What I'm trying to do is what many others are I assume, reduce the $100 > per machine license fees > our school is spending to teach office applications...currently the > textbooks in use come with > teacher resource cd's with example files and project files that the > students manipulate, view, etc. > > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Gary Frederick > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:42 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks > > > I second that suggestion. > > I have her 'Core Office Suite, Essentials, Writer, Calc, and Impress' in > > my hand as I type (which splains any errors ;-) ) > > It's a workbook that goes over how to use a bunch of OOo. > > And she does training. > > Gary > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>Solveig Haugland, who wrote the original StarOffice book for Sun, has >>her own website of manuals, etc., including a workbook. See >>www.getopenoffice.org. She also does training, which might be a good >>way to get a bunch of teachers up to speed quickly on it. >> >>Also, if you go to Amazon (www.amazon.com) and search for openoffice, >>you'll find a bunch of books and crib sheets. >> >>Petre >> >>Huck wrote: >> >> >>>I've searched and searched and can not find textbooks for OpenOffice. > > >>>I remember someone posting a link here but searching the archives >>>produced no results. >>> >>>Does anyone know of some textbooks for teaching OO? >>>I seem to recall there was a book for each aspect, Writer, Calc, >>>Presenter etc.. >>> >>>--Huck >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Tue Apr 6 21:12:45 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:12:45 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] Rebuiliding K12LTSP server's kernel with supermount support Message-ID: <25056567.1081285965836.JavaMail.oracle@linares> El Martes, 6 de Abril de 2004 11:44, Edulix escribi?: > El Lunes, 5 de Abril de 2004 19:07, cliebow escribi?: > > ahh yes see you there quite a llot...i am sure you know that activity on > > client is controlled by downloaded kernel and on server by its own > > kernel...i am listening on #ltsp a lot but run out to other schools and > > review the activity when i can....must defer to jammcq as he is > > exceptional resource.chuck > > Oh, I've already been dealing with the problem with jammcq's help, but we > weren't able to solve it. I suspect that maybe in fedora's mailinglist they > could help me as they were the ones which built the fedora's kernel and > therefore have more knoeldge about their distro. BTW, I'm building the > kernel for the LTSP _server_ =). Finally I got it working :). I talked with the fedora's kernel maintainer in #fedora-devel, and he just told me that I need to use # CC=gcc32 make :-)! Thanks for your time, Edulix. From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Wed Apr 7 00:39:10 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:39:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba / Ldap Password Issues In-Reply-To: <1081277006.3245.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 4/6/04 11:43 AM, "Les Mikesell" wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 13:59, jamie wrote: >> I'm having some issues with samba 3 and my ldap passwords. First I'll tell >> you what I'm working with. > > > Are you running nscd (name service caching daemon)? If so stop or > restart it to see if the changes become effective. Good idea. I turned it off but that didn't seem to help. - Jamie From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Apr 7 01:26:08 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:26:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) Message-ID: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> My fellow geeks, I need some help. Possibly some of this can go offlist, as we've grown in size significantly recently -- but this is really the only place I know to get the answers I need. WARNING: This email will probably be long. I just left a meeting with the other school supervisors in our district, and after the monetary projections -- our district is more interested in my fanatical ravings about OpenSource than ever before. I never thought I'd get to say, "I'll have to hear a darn good reason that we need to purchase licenses from Microsoft rather than keeping Suzy Mathteacher on staff..." anyway, on to my questions: I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 classrooms per building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit connections internally. The 2 big directions I'm looking at would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher gets a new white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students (much like the original case study Paul Nelson put up several years back). If the student management system won't work under Wine -- that teacher computer would have to run win4lin or some such solution. The other option, is to go completely with thin clients in the classrooms -- but then I worry a GREAT deal about scalability and network bandwidth. Management-wise, the thin client solution makes a lot of sense (of course) -- especially since I doubt I'll be having any help from outside hires or teachers with release time. I really worry about the scalability of the servers and network though... any real world examples I could pull from? I considered that if we go with the Pentium 4 computers on a teacher's desk as a mini-LTSP server, that they could all be kept "pure" by a nightly rsync. I realize there would be a few individual settings that would need to be there, but many of the config files could be similar. Sadly, I'm concerned about the life of the Pentium 4's though, as technology is so quickly outdated. What might be a server today could be worth little more than a thin client in 5 years, while if I go with thin clients everywhere, they will theoretically be good for much longer. Some final actual questions: Does anyone rsync servers in the fashion I suggested? Does anyone have any good "devil's advocate" type anti-linux slams they've gotten, so I can prepare to defend myself? I am confident, but like to be prepared. Is there a listserv dedicated to open-source curriculum (by that I mean using open-source software as a part of daily curriculum)? If not, why don't we start one? Sharing lesson plans, hand-outs, daily integration issues, etc -- many of my teachers would join, where as they WOULD NOT join this list. (and I wouldn't want them to...) Are there any cases of "great press" that you folks have gotten because of the savings OSS has provided? I pictures us being a shining example of using tax dollars wisely in tough times, and I plan to market the snot out of that. You Oregon folks that have been doing this for a while -- have you gotten a lot of "atta-boys" from the communities? How has the adoption of OSS as an alternative been taken as a whole? Have you had any organized opposition? Sorry to take so many bytes in your mailbox -- but this is a crucial time for us, and I need some advice/guidance/brainstorming from, well, from you. :) Thank you much, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From julius at turtle.com Wed Apr 7 01:46:45 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <51168.192.168.1.247.1081302405.squirrel@216.216.171.236> > My fellow geeks, > > I need some help. Possibly some of this can go offlist, as we've grown in > size significantly recently -- but this is really the only place I know to > get the answers I need. WARNING: This email will probably be long. > > I just left a meeting with the other school supervisors in our district, > and > after the monetary projections -- our district is more interested in my > fanatical ravings about OpenSource than ever before. I never thought I'd > get > to say, "I'll have to hear a darn good reason that we need to purchase > licenses from Microsoft rather than keeping Suzy Mathteacher on staff..." > anyway, on to my questions: > > I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 classrooms > per > building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit connections internally. The 2 > big > directions I'm looking at would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher > gets a new white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom > LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students (much like > the > original case study Paul Nelson put up several years back). If the > student > management system won't work under Wine -- that teacher computer would > have > to run win4lin or some such solution. > > The other option, is to go completely with thin clients in the classrooms > -- > but then I worry a GREAT deal about scalability and network bandwidth. > Management-wise, the thin client solution makes a lot of sense (of course) > -- > especially since I doubt I'll be having any help from outside hires or > teachers with release time. I really worry about the scalability of the > servers and network though... any real world examples I could pull from? > > I considered that if we go with the Pentium 4 computers on a teacher's > desk as > a mini-LTSP server, that they could all be kept "pure" by a nightly rsync. > I > realize there would be a few individual settings that would need to be > there, > but many of the config files could be similar. Sadly, I'm concerned about > the life of the Pentium 4's though, as technology is so quickly outdated. > What might be a server today could be worth little more than a thin client > in > 5 years, while if I go with thin clients everywhere, they will > theoretically > be good for much longer. > > Some final actual questions: > > Does anyone rsync servers in the fashion I suggested? > > Does anyone have any good "devil's advocate" type anti-linux slams they've > gotten, so I can prepare to defend myself? I am confident, but like to be > prepared. > > Is there a listserv dedicated to open-source curriculum (by that I mean > using > open-source software as a part of daily curriculum)? If not, why don't we > start one? Sharing lesson plans, hand-outs, daily integration issues, etc > -- > many of my teachers would join, where as they WOULD NOT join this list. > (and > I wouldn't want them to...) > > Are there any cases of "great press" that you folks have gotten because of > the > savings OSS has provided? I pictures us being a shining example of using > tax > dollars wisely in tough times, and I plan to market the snot out of that. > You Oregon folks that have been doing this for a while -- have you gotten > a > lot of "atta-boys" from the communities? How has the adoption of OSS as > an > alternative been taken as a whole? Have you had any organized opposition? > > Sorry to take so many bytes in your mailbox -- but this is a crucial time > for > us, and I need some advice/guidance/brainstorming from, well, from you. :) > > Shawn, borne by experience, some caveats: 1. dump the 10TX, it just is not adequate for ltsp style solution when you have the mongrels nipping at your heels. 2. p4 is ok, provided you go with multithreaded processors - most 3+GHz are multithreaded, but not all - the real difference is that they make the server behave as if it was a 2 processor system. this is very, very important, since no single process will lock the server. 3. don't count on Wine to run all the M$ apps, it just won't happen. Scream bloody murder and remind everybody incessantly that evry buck spend on software goes to billg and he doesn't teach at your schools. destroyed budget is a great enabler of open source software. good luck, julius From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Apr 7 01:52:19 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:52:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <51168.192.168.1.247.1081302405.squirrel@216.216.171.236> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <51168.192.168.1.247.1081302405.squirrel@216.216.171.236> Message-ID: <200404062152.19485.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Tuesday 06 April 2004 09:46, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > don't count on Wine to run all the M$ apps, it just won't happen. I hear you. I only hope to get (1) application to work, our student management program. Since the State of Michigan has put such ridiculous constraints on our reporting requirements -- there is just not a viable option that doesn't have windows in the description. :( (and by golly have I looked!) Thank you very much for the reply. I didn't realize that not all P4's are multithreaded. -Shawn From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 7 02:33:41 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:33:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40736885.6010100@cmosnetworks.com> Understand that you really should have Gig-E on your server, that is, the side of it connected to the thin clients. The reason: I did some measurements a while back. Running TuxType, X11 sucked up 73Mb of bandwidth on a 100BaseTX switched connection...from one client...by itself. Also note that, if you've got a switch that supports Gigabit EtherChannel (also called Ethernet trunking or port aggregation), you can gang two Gig-E cards together and get 2GB, Full Duplex. Those from 3Com and Intel do support this. Do *NOT* try to run K12LTSP across a WAN link, unless your WAN link is Gig-E or an OC-48! Also understand that DRAM is your saviour. The more DRAM in particular, the better. This will help your scalability. In the case of Athlons (like mine), 4GB is the limit. P4 Xeons, I understand, can hit up to 64GB when using the BIGMEM kernel, using a paging hack similar to the old LIM EMS memory specification used back in the MS-DOS days. Opterons can access that and much more--natively, no paging tricks--if your kernel is 64-bit. Therefore, if you're worried about scalability of your servers, I would recommend Opterons, specifically, a dual-Opteron architecture. It's not as expensive as you might think, and there is now a version of RHEL compiled for AMD64, for $50, if you're an educational institution. As for the Windows-based management program, I'd recommend a separate, beefy app server for that. This is how the City of Largo, FL set up two dual-Pentium III servers handling 400 thin clients--they have separate app servers for OO.o, WordPerfect, etc. This offloads their LTSP servers big time and is what lets them run so blasted many clients. --TP >The other option, is to go completely with thin clients in the classrooms -- >but then I worry a GREAT deal about scalability and network bandwidth. >Management-wise, the thin client solution makes a lot of sense (of course) -- >especially since I doubt I'll be having any help from outside hires or >teachers with release time. I really worry about the scalability of the >servers and network though... any real world examples I could pull from? > > > From faengoy at yahoo.com Wed Apr 7 02:57:24 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problem In-Reply-To: <20040406160019.A82FD747AD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040407025724.40118.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> I am preparing for a presentation for my school, and, because I didn't want to haul any equipment in, I was testing with Knoppix and the terminal server on there. Wait, though, because my problem is probably simple. The machine uses an eepro100, boots, gets its IP by DHCP correctly, but hangs on TFTP. The server shows three instances of in.tftpd running, but the file never gets downloaded. I suspect that it's because the NIC has a PXE 0.99b, and I know that some versions have problems. Any quick help, or should I find another NIC? No chance on getting the Netware network boot stuff to work, I know... Dan ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Wed Apr 7 03:20:24 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:20:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problem In-Reply-To: <20040407025724.40118.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040407025724.40118.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40737378.6060406@cfl.rr.com> Any reason you must use PXE-boot? How about Etherboot? Here's a card that's tested for LTSP: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/100003.html Dan Bo wrote: > I am preparing for a presentation for my school, and, > because I didn't want to haul any equipment in, I was > testing with Knoppix and the terminal server on there. > Wait, though, because my problem is probably simple. > The machine uses an eepro100, boots, gets its IP by > DHCP correctly, but hangs on TFTP. The server shows > three instances of in.tftpd running, but the file > never gets downloaded. I suspect that it's because > the NIC has a PXE 0.99b, and I know that some versions > have problems. Any quick help, or should I find > another NIC? No chance on getting the Netware network > boot stuff to work, I know... > Dan > > ===== > Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm > > Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From faengoy at yahoo.com Wed Apr 7 03:23:26 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problem In-Reply-To: <20040406160019.A82FD747AD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040407032326.59360.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> I am preparing for a presentation for my school, and, because I didn't want to haul any equipment in, I was testing with Knoppix and the terminal server on there. Wait, though, because my problem is probably simple. The machine uses an eepro100, boots, gets its IP by DHCP correctly, but hangs on TFTP. The server shows three instances of in.tftpd running, but the file never gets downloaded. I suspect that it's because the NIC has a PXE 0.99b, and I know that some versions have problems. Any quick help, or should I find another NIC? No chance on getting the Netware network boot stuff to work, I know... Dan ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Apr 7 03:44:10 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:44:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> Since I'm only an English teacher and have SO much spare time to kill, I made a new KDE splash screen for K12ltsp and loaded it up to KDE-Look.org http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11833 I hope you like it. tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From TRomaine at comcast.net Wed Apr 7 04:02:36 2004 From: TRomaine at comcast.net (Theodore Romaine) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:02:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <002101c41c55$2983adf0$6501a8c0@TJROMAINE> Hello Huck, I spent some time in Portland, OR's Powell Technical bookstore last Thursday night. I thought I saw one on Open Source on the Three Large Bookshelves full of Unix and Linux text books. If anyone is going to have it, try their website at http://www.powellsbooks.com , Try a Google search if the URL I gave isn't accurate. I hope your within driving distance. Otherwise their website does feature a search engine featuring their inventory. -Ted Romaine $15.00 got me two handbooks, one on Linux which is in their top-ten list and one on Vi. Wish I had more $$. You can save alot of it buying their USED books which characteristically run 50% off the original price. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Huck" To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks > I've searched and searched and can not find textbooks for OpenOffice. > I remember someone posting a link here but searching the archives > produced no results. > > Does anyone know of some textbooks for teaching OO? > I seem to recall there was a book for each aspect, Writer, Calc, > Presenter etc.. > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Apr 7 04:23:04 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 07 Apr 2004 12:23:04 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks In-Reply-To: <002101c41c55$2983adf0$6501a8c0@TJROMAINE> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> <002101c41c55$2983adf0$6501a8c0@TJROMAINE> Message-ID: <1081311786.1227.878.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 12:02, Theodore Romaine wrote: > Hello Huck, > > I spent some time in Portland, OR's Powell Technical bookstore last Thursday > night. I thought I saw one on Open Source on the Three Large Bookshelves > full of Unix and Linux text books. If anyone is going to have it, try their > website at http://www.powellsbooks.com , Try a Google search if the URL I > gave isn't accurate. I hope your within driving distance. Otherwise their > website does feature a search engine featuring their inventory. > > -Ted Romaine I don't know about their Linux stocks, but I had a good experience with Powells for rare or out-of-print books at reasonable prices shipped all the way to Australia in fairly quick time after an online order. Gavin. From johnnyb at eskimo.com Wed Apr 7 05:04:07 2004 From: johnnyb at eskimo.com (Jonathan Bartlett) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linking to K12OSN Message-ID: Just wanted to pass this by you guys before I put my book (Programming from the Ground Up) into final print. In the introduction, I was thinking about saying something along these lines: -- If you are thinking of using this book for a class on computer programming but do not have access to Linux computers for your students, I highly suggest you try to find help from the K-12 Linux Project. You can join their mailing list at https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn and ask questions about how to get started with Linux in your school. They are very helpful and responsive, even if you are new to Linux. -- I just wanted to make sure this was all right with everyone here before I print it for everyone. Thanks! Jonathan Bartlett From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Apr 7 05:14:44 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 01:14:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linking to K12OSN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404070114.44712.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Wednesday 07 April 2004 01:04, Jonathan Bartlett wrote: > I just wanted to make sure this was all right with everyone here before I > print it for everyone. Please consider adding a link to the website and/or the wiki. This list can be overwhelming, especially to folks new to The Order of the Penguin. ;o) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Apr 7 05:17:32 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 07 Apr 2004 13:17:32 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linking to K12OSN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081315054.23050.914.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 13:04, Jonathan Bartlett wrote: > Just wanted to pass this by you guys before I put my book (Programming > from the Ground Up) into final print. In the introduction, I was > thinking about saying something along these lines: > > -- > > If you are thinking of using this book for a class on computer programming > but do not have access to Linux computers for your students, I highly > suggest you try to find help from the K-12 Linux Project. You can join > their mailing list at https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > and ask questions about how to get started with Linux in your school. > They are very helpful and responsive, even if you are new to Linux. > > -- > > I just wanted to make sure this was all right with everyone here before I > print it for everyone. > > Thanks! > Very presumptuous of me to reply to this but here goes: Great idea and I'm sure appreciated by the developers doing all the hard work, but how about making the link to the K12OSN & LTSP websites instead - mailing lists and email addresses can change more frequently than book editions :-). Gavin From johnnyb at eskimo.com Wed Apr 7 05:48:51 2004 From: johnnyb at eskimo.com (Jonathan Bartlett) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linking to K12OSN In-Reply-To: <1081315054.23050.914.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <1081315054.23050.914.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: How about this: If you are thinking of using this book for a class on computer programming but do not have access to Linux computers for your students, I highly suggest you try to find help from the K-12 Linux Project. Their website is at http://www.k12linux.org/ and they have a helpful and responsive mailing list available. Thoughts?? Jon From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Apr 7 05:53:22 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 01:53:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linking to K12OSN In-Reply-To: References: <1081315054.23050.914.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <200404070153.23114.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Wednesday 07 April 2004 01:48, Jonathan Bartlett wrote: > Thoughts?? It's got my vote. :) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From faengoy at yahoo.com Wed Apr 7 08:00:46 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 01:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problem In-Reply-To: <20040407051520.5939573D65@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040407080046.1747.qmail@web20723.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah, Brian, I'm trying to use just Knoppix and it only works with PXE. Maybe I'll just carry the equipment across the river, though... Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:20:24 -0400 From: Brian Chase Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PXE boot problem To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <40737378.6060406 at cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Any reason you must use PXE-boot? How about Etherboot? Here's a card that's tested for LTSP: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/100003.html ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From timlegge at etherboot.org Wed Apr 7 10:00:46 2004 From: timlegge at etherboot.org (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:00:46 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problem In-Reply-To: <20040407032326.59360.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040407032326.59360.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1081332046.2032.4.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> > the NIC has a PXE 0.99b, and I know that some versions > have problems. Any quick help, or should I find > another NIC? No chance on getting the Netware network > boot stuff to work, I know... Recent development versions of Etherboot support PXE booting. Take a look at http://www.romomatic.net/5.3.7/ Tim From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Wed Apr 7 10:43:56 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 05:43:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks In-Reply-To: <000801c41c11$bd9b2660$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000801c41c11$bd9b2660$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4073DB6C.2040002@jsoft.com> I think it would be fine. For example, the section on Page Layout has exercises with images from OOo that go over setting various aspects. It's in a 1 create ... 2 select ... 3 choose ... format and easy to see what to do. It is followed with assignments 'Assignment 1.2 Create a document with 1.75 inch margins right and 2 inches left.' that would help the teacher. Look here http://www.getopenoffice.org/labfiles/ to see the lab files. Gary Huck wrote: > In your opinion would this work nicely for a curriculm text in a high > school setting? > And is it written in such a fashion that a semi-computer literate > computer applications teacher > Can understand and teach from it? > > What I'm trying to do is what many others are I assume, reduce the $100 > per machine license fees > our school is spending to teach office applications...currently the > textbooks in use come with > teacher resource cd's with example files and project files that the > students manipulate, view, etc. > > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Gary Frederick > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:42 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Looking for Textbooks > > > I second that suggestion. > > I have her 'Core Office Suite, Essentials, Writer, Calc, and Impress' in > > my hand as I type (which splains any errors ;-) ) > > It's a workbook that goes over how to use a bunch of OOo. > > And she does training. > > Gary > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>Solveig Haugland, who wrote the original StarOffice book for Sun, has >>her own website of manuals, etc., including a workbook. See >>www.getopenoffice.org. She also does training, which might be a good >>way to get a bunch of teachers up to speed quickly on it. >> >>Also, if you go to Amazon (www.amazon.com) and search for openoffice, >>you'll find a bunch of books and crib sheets. >> >>Petre >> >>Huck wrote: >> >> >>>I've searched and searched and can not find textbooks for OpenOffice. > > >>>I remember someone posting a link here but searching the archives >>>produced no results. >>> >>>Does anyone know of some textbooks for teaching OO? >>>I seem to recall there was a book for each aspect, Writer, Calc, >>>Presenter etc.. >>> >>>--Huck >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 7 06:02:33 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 02:02:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <04040702051402.21197@newguy> authentication would be the decider i think....i have both systems...one small server for seventy clients in high school..and a server in classroom for grade 5 and grade two...other than tuxtype both situations work very well... to bee truthful havn't touched the 2nd and fifth grade for two months other than clearing one stuck print job..chuck From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 7 12:52:25 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:52:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio Message-ID: Good day! I am working on some donated Compaq Deskpro computers, PIII sufficient RAM and all. They have ES1869 audio chip in them but the Fedora won't detect it and set it up. The computers had W98 onthem and the sound worked there so I know it is not defective. Any ideas how I can force this? Thank you -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 7 13:03:42 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:03:42 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio Message-ID: <200404071156.i37BujN12665@downeast.net> can you run knoppix,suse or madrake move cd distro and pull the info from there??chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Wed Apr 7 13:20:14 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:20:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4074000E.1050503@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > My fellow geeks, > > I need some help. Possibly some of this can go offlist, as we've grown in > size significantly recently -- but this is really the only place I know to > get the answers I need. WARNING: This email will probably be long. > > I just left a meeting with the other school supervisors in our district, and > after the monetary projections -- our district is more interested in my > fanatical ravings about OpenSource than ever before. I never thought I'd get > to say, "I'll have to hear a darn good reason that we need to purchase > licenses from Microsoft rather than keeping Suzy Mathteacher on staff..." > anyway, on to my questions: > You're right it was long... so I cut some of it out here. > Some final actual questions: > I got an article published by the Missouri State Teachers Association magazine. Its a pretty short read. You can read more about what I've done with OSS at my school from our website. I have plans similar to yours for my school district (we are a one building school district preschool - 8th grade = ~300 students, 30 teachers). I've put in two "minilabs" with plans to add 3 or 4 more next year. Then a few more each year until all the classes have them. (article) http://glenwood.k12.mo.us/images/MSTA%20article.jpg (website) http://glenwood.k12.mo.us > > Are there any cases of "great press" that you folks have gotten because of the > savings OSS has provided? I pictures us being a shining example of using tax > dollars wisely in tough times, and I plan to market the snot out of that. > You Oregon folks that have been doing this for a while -- have you gotten a > lot of "atta-boys" from the communities? How has the adoption of OSS as an > alternative been taken as a whole? Have you had any organized opposition? > > Sorry to take so many bytes in your mailbox -- but this is a crucial time for > us, and I need some advice/guidance/brainstorming from, well, from you. :) > > Thank you much, > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From julius at turtle.com Wed Apr 7 13:39:20 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <200404062152.19485.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > Thank you very much for the reply. I didn't realize that not all P4's are > multithreaded. Shawn, I think that true multithreading was introduced with P4 3.06GHz. One way to test how well it works and if the kernel is really smp is to run a process that takes 100% cpu. if the server stops, the smp or multithreading are not working ;-) julius From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 7 13:39:28 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio In-Reply-To: <200404071156.i37BujN12665@downeast.net> Message-ID: I will try knoppix to see if the sounnd works there, but what info would I get and where would I get it and where would I put it in Fedora? Thanks! DS On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > can you run knoppix,suse or madrake move cd distro and pull the info from > there??chuck > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Wed Apr 7 14:11:02 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:11:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problem In-Reply-To: <1081332046.2032.4.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <20040407032326.59360.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> <1081332046.2032.4.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <40740BF6.6050601@cfl.rr.com> Excellent find Timothy. The pulldown shows PXE. Timothy Legge wrote: >>the NIC has a PXE 0.99b, and I know that some versions >>have problems. Any quick help, or should I find >>another NIC? No chance on getting the Netware network >>boot stuff to work, I know... > > > Recent development versions of Etherboot support PXE booting. Take a > look at http://www.romomatic.net/5.3.7/ > > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wawalker at apcs-data.com Wed Apr 7 14:09:33 2004 From: wawalker at apcs-data.com (Wayne Walker) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:09:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with sound on workstations Message-ID: <20040407140933.6F3845F70C@mail.apcs-data.com> I have setup the terminal server and everything works fine.? Sound is enabled on the workstations in the lts.cfg file and it works fine on the workstations.? The problem is when I go to sites such as nickjr.com that uses flash the sound component does not work on the workstations.? If I log on to the server directly as root it works.? If I log on remotely as root it works but the sound comes out on the server not the workstation I am loging in from.? I think it's a permission problem but not sure where to go with it.? Any help you could provide would be realy appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herrold at owlriver.com Wed Apr 7 14:10:29 2004 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: k12osn] PXE boot problem In-Reply-To: <20040407032326.59360.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040407032326.59360.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Dan Bo wrote: > the NIC has a PXE 0.99b, and I know that some versions > have problems. Any quick help, or should I find > another NIC? No chance on getting the Netware network > boot stuff to work, I know... that old an Intel PXE implementation is pretty ragged -- when I encounter one, I mark the NIC as for a non-PXE unit -- Russ Herrold From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 7 15:02:26 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:02:26 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio Message-ID: <200404071355.i37DtUN02808@downeast.net> /etc/modules.conf should show modules dma and io and irq as set up in Knoppix lspci -vvv should give details of sound card lspci -n when crossreferenced with lspci-vvv should give device ids..hang a sec lemme look at my libranet --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 7 15:09:35 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:09:35 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio Message-ID: <200404071402.i37E2cN04258@downeast.net> I have a pile of comp deskpro here with 1869 i can try for you if need be chuck > I will try knoppix to see if the sounnd works there, but what info would I > get and where would I get it and where would I put it in Fedora? > > Thanks! > > DS > > On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > can you run knoppix,suse or madrake move cd distro and pull the info from > > there??chuck > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! > Tux for President! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 7 15:21:37 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:21:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000701c41cb4$05433c80$1803010a@paasda.org> Shawn, Have you considered Vmware?(for running the student mgmt software) I have no idea what the costs are of the software(Vmware) but it allows you to run "virtual machines", I tried a demo version a while back on my home computer win2k, and installed debian/redhat As virtual machines...it was kinda groovy and very straight forward to add new virtual machines. Here is the link to their '30 day trial download page' http://www.vmware.com/landing/ws4_home.html --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 6:26 PM To: K12LTSP List Subject: [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) My fellow geeks, I need some help. Possibly some of this can go offlist, as we've grown in size significantly recently -- but this is really the only place I know to get the answers I need. WARNING: This email will probably be long. I just left a meeting with the other school supervisors in our district, and after the monetary projections -- our district is more interested in my fanatical ravings about OpenSource than ever before. I never thought I'd get to say, "I'll have to hear a darn good reason that we need to purchase licenses from Microsoft rather than keeping Suzy Mathteacher on staff..." anyway, on to my questions: I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 classrooms per building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit connections internally. The 2 big directions I'm looking at would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher gets a new white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students (much like the original case study Paul Nelson put up several years back). If the student management system won't work under Wine -- that teacher computer would have to run win4lin or some such solution. The other option, is to go completely with thin clients in the classrooms -- but then I worry a GREAT deal about scalability and network bandwidth. Management-wise, the thin client solution makes a lot of sense (of course) -- especially since I doubt I'll be having any help from outside hires or teachers with release time. I really worry about the scalability of the servers and network though... any real world examples I could pull from? I considered that if we go with the Pentium 4 computers on a teacher's desk as a mini-LTSP server, that they could all be kept "pure" by a nightly rsync. I realize there would be a few individual settings that would need to be there, but many of the config files could be similar. Sadly, I'm concerned about the life of the Pentium 4's though, as technology is so quickly outdated. What might be a server today could be worth little more than a thin client in 5 years, while if I go with thin clients everywhere, they will theoretically be good for much longer. Some final actual questions: Does anyone rsync servers in the fashion I suggested? Does anyone have any good "devil's advocate" type anti-linux slams they've gotten, so I can prepare to defend myself? I am confident, but like to be prepared. Is there a listserv dedicated to open-source curriculum (by that I mean using open-source software as a part of daily curriculum)? If not, why don't we start one? Sharing lesson plans, hand-outs, daily integration issues, etc -- many of my teachers would join, where as they WOULD NOT join this list. (and I wouldn't want them to...) Are there any cases of "great press" that you folks have gotten because of the savings OSS has provided? I pictures us being a shining example of using tax dollars wisely in tough times, and I plan to market the snot out of that. You Oregon folks that have been doing this for a while -- have you gotten a lot of "atta-boys" from the communities? How has the adoption of OSS as an alternative been taken as a whole? Have you had any organized opposition? Sorry to take so many bytes in your mailbox -- but this is a crucial time for us, and I need some advice/guidance/brainstorming from, well, from you. :) Thank you much, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 7 15:20:36 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:20:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c41cb3$e35fda10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> >From what I have seen configuring workstations from Dell in the past is that it hinges on the bus speed. Anything 533MHZ and under no multithread, anything 800MHZ and over (is there anything higher?) will do multithreading. I think the 800MHZ bus is only offered for P4's at like 2.4GHZ or higher. So make sure you verify the Motherboard bus speed and don't just rely on the processor info. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Julius Szelagiewicz Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:39 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > Thank you very much for the reply. I didn't realize that not all P4's > are multithreaded. Shawn, I think that true multithreading was introduced with P4 3.06GHz. One way to test how well it works and if the kernel is really smp is to run a process that takes 100% cpu. if the server stops, the smp or multithreading are not working ;-) julius _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From button at gti.net Wed Apr 7 15:31:58 2004 From: button at gti.net (Daniel Button) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:31:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio Message-ID: <1081351917.3390.8.camel@brendam> Doug, I have a couple of Compaqs with the ES1869 chip set. i put this in my /etc/modules.conf, and I got sound! Try it out. Dan alias sound-slot-0 sb alias synth0 opl3 options sound dmabuf=1 options opl3 io=0x388 options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 mpu_io=0x330 alias sound-slot-1 off # secondary sound card alias sound-service-1-0 off # secondary sound card From haysja at sages.us Wed Apr 7 16:10:18 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:10:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <1081351917.3390.8.camel@brendam> References: <1081351917.3390.8.camel@brendam> Message-ID: <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> I am almost embarrassed to ask this question, but since I have never met any of you face-to-face, I guess I can ask a "dumb" question. Scenario: (K12LTSP server as a file server for the school. Term Server is a different box.) Middle School. Student Home Folders in /home partition. Folders in subdirectories by graduation year. For example, a student named Joe Cool in the class of 2008 has a folder /home/students/2008/coojo08. His username is coojo08. Folders are owned by the student and the group for the folders is teachers. The problem: When a student creates a file in his/her folder, the files is "owned" by the student as owner and by the student as group. I need to have the group for these files be teachers. What do I do to make it so that files created by students in their folders are accessible to teachers who are in the teachers group? Here is what a file looks like now: -rw-rw-r-- 1 woobr08 woobr08 21504 Apr 7 10:13 Stocks.xls I need it to be -rw-rw-r-- 1 woobr08 teachers 21504 Apr 7 10:13 Stocks.xls TIA for any advice. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 7 16:33:08 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:33:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> Message-ID: <000a01c41cbe$03109980$1803010a@paasda.org> Chgrp teachers *.* Is the command... Can put in a cron to automatically do it everyday at 3pm...etc.. Or do it manually... Could make a script for the teachers to run each time they check files as well.. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hays Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:10 AM To: button at gti.net; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question I am almost embarrassed to ask this question, but since I have never met any of you face-to-face, I guess I can ask a "dumb" question. Scenario: (K12LTSP server as a file server for the school. Term Server is a different box.) Middle School. Student Home Folders in /home partition. Folders in subdirectories by graduation year. For example, a student named Joe Cool in the class of 2008 has a folder /home/students/2008/coojo08. His username is coojo08. Folders are owned by the student and the group for the folders is teachers. The problem: When a student creates a file in his/her folder, the files is "owned" by the student as owner and by the student as group. I need to have the group for these files be teachers. What do I do to make it so that files created by students in their folders are accessible to teachers who are in the teachers group? Here is what a file looks like now: -rw-rw-r-- 1 woobr08 woobr08 21504 Apr 7 10:13 Stocks.xls I need it to be -rw-rw-r-- 1 woobr08 teachers 21504 Apr 7 10:13 Stocks.xls TIA for any advice. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From morris_r at 4j.lane.edu Wed Apr 7 16:34:25 2004 From: morris_r at 4j.lane.edu (Roger) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:34:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> References: <1081351917.3390.8.camel@brendam> <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> Message-ID: <20040407163425.GA2631@4j.lane.edu> Around Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 11:10:18AM -0500, Jim Hays, wrote: > I am almost embarrassed to ask this question, but since I have never met > any of you face-to-face, I guess I can ask a "dumb" question. > > is "owned" by the student as owner and by the student as group. I need > to have the group for these files be teachers. > > What do I do to make it so that files created by students in their > folders are accessible to teachers who are in the teachers group? > Or, another approach would be to chmod the /home dir with g+s, make /home group teachers, then be sure the umask for the students is such that any files created will be group readable. *then*, do 'chgrp -R teachers /home' Of course, I could be wrong. Roger From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Wed Apr 7 17:07:06 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Enabling Disk Quotas In-Reply-To: <20040406160019.7431F74562@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Allo, > From: "Les Bell" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Enabling Disk Quotas > > users I'm interested in (IE: the group "students" for example). And, if I > understand that correctly, what I am doing is specifying a quota size that > the *whole* group cannot exceed, rather than specifying a quota which the > system will then apply to each member in the group. Is that correct, or > did I just give everyone a 1 gig quota? > << > > Assuming you did edquota -g, then the quota is for a group. That's what I did, and upon checking the quota using repquota -a -s -g I got the correct values! Thank you. Final question - how does the OS report that the group is approaching the quota to root? I know that many other operations use Logwatch to email root the results of their processes; will the system automagically email root when a group is approaching their limit, or do I have to activate this somehow? Again, thank you very much. Joseph From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Wed Apr 7 17:10:43 2004 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:10:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close In-Reply-To: <4071F394.4070302@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20040405194115.A06C973CE3@hormel.redhat.com> <4071B8EF.2070608@saskforestcentre.ca> <4071F394.4070302@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40743613.3080700@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Thanks for the reply, Terrell. I have ip addys for my worstations that are more like 10.1.3.45 or something like that and subnets of 255.0.0.0. So do I need to change the 192.168.0.0 number in the aforementioned file? Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > I've seen this before, and when I had to deal with it, it turned out to > be settings in nfs that were wacked. Make sure that your /etc/exports > file looks something like this (this one came straight off of my server): > > [microman at takhisis microman]$ more /etc/exports > ## LTS-begin ## > # > # The lines between the 'LTS-begin' and the 'LTS-end' were added > # on: Wed Nov 28 11:19:42 PST 2001 by the ltsp installation script. > # For more information, visit the ltsp homepage > # at http://www.ltsp.org > # > > /opt/ltsp/i386 > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash) > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) > > # > # The following entries need to be uncommented if you want > # Local App support in ltsp > # > /home 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) > > > ## LTS-end ## > > [microman at takhisis microman]$ > > > Note that I allow the entire 192.168.0.0/24 subnet for all three > directories. Also note that no_root_squash is turned on. This, BTW, > should be the default config, but if something got hosed, try this out. > > HTH, > > --TP > > Angus Carr wrote: > >> Oh, well, there goes that theory. >> >> Angus. >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:40:52 -0500 >> From: Brandon Kovach >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Message-ID: <4071B644.1000309 at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >> >> Actually, It's Red Hat. >> >> <--snip--> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haysja at sages.us Wed Apr 7 17:14:43 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:14:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <20040407163425.GA2631@4j.lane.edu> References: <1081351917.3390.8.camel@brendam> <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> <20040407163425.GA2631@4j.lane.edu> Message-ID: <40743703.9040901@sages.us> Thank you Roger and Huck. This is the info that I needed. I should be able to devise a solution from here. Thanks again. Roger wrote: >Around Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 11:10:18AM -0500, Jim Hays, wrote: > > >>I am almost embarrassed to ask this question, but since I have never met >>any of you face-to-face, I guess I can ask a "dumb" question. >> >>is "owned" by the student as owner and by the student as group. I need >>to have the group for these files be teachers. >> >>What do I do to make it so that files created by students in their >>folders are accessible to teachers who are in the teachers group? >> >> >> >Or, another approach would be to chmod the /home dir with g+s, make >/home group teachers, then be sure the umask for the students is such >that any files created will be group readable. *then*, do >'chgrp -R teachers /home' > >Of course, I could be wrong. >Roger > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 7 17:14:24 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:14:24 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Client won't boot, but getting close Message-ID: <200404071607.i37G7QN26858@downeast.net> be sure server and clients are in same subnet...chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 7 17:27:48 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:27:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <000a01c41cbe$03109980$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: Are you just needing the ability to let the teachers look at their documents and work? Is this a samba server serving windows clients? If so, make /home a share, and set the teachers as administrative users, make it non-browseable, and read only, and also set the teachers as valid users. As soon as you set a user (or users) as valid users, then that restricts the share to only the users that are in the valid list. Meaning other students can't see into each other's home directories. My teachers can open their student's home directoriesa d look at docs and etc anytime. Hope this helps. . . Doug P.S. If anyone sees anything wrong with this method, let me know. . . On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Huck wrote: > Chgrp teachers *.* > > Is the command... > Can put in a cron to automatically do it everyday at 3pm...etc.. > Or do it manually... > Could make a script for the teachers to run each time they check files > as well.. > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Hays > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:10 AM > To: button at gti.net; Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question > > > I am almost embarrassed to ask this question, but since I have never met > > any of you face-to-face, I guess I can ask a "dumb" question. > > Scenario: (K12LTSP server as a file server for the school. Term Server > is a different box.) Middle School. Student Home Folders in /home > partition. Folders in subdirectories by graduation year. For example, > a student named Joe Cool in the class of 2008 has a folder > /home/students/2008/coojo08. His username is coojo08. Folders are > owned by the student and the group for the folders is teachers. > > The problem: When a student creates a file in his/her folder, the files > > is "owned" by the student as owner and by the student as group. I need > to have the group for these files be teachers. > > What do I do to make it so that files created by students in their > folders are accessible to teachers who are in the teachers group? > > Here is what a file looks like now: > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 woobr08 woobr08 21504 Apr 7 10:13 Stocks.xls > > I need it to be > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 woobr08 teachers 21504 Apr 7 10:13 Stocks.xls > > TIA for any advice. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From tim at litwiller.net Wed Apr 7 17:30:53 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:30:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long In-Reply-To: <1080655970.6481.39.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <00d301c41341$742c5180$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> <40644574.9090706@litwiller.net> <406469D8.2090002@gwi.net> <40691C3C.8020403@litwiller.net> <1080655970.6481.39.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40743ACD.9010204@litwiller.net> Ok, I'm trying again. I had to make their network operational so had to remove the routers. But now I have the 4 computers on my bench that I have re setup and it sure seems to be a config problem since it has almost the exact same problem as the first time. only this time the RHS router isn't letting the others ping the internet gateway either. DO = District Office RMS = MiddleSchool RHS = HighSchool PE = Elementary DO eth0 = 172.16.96.1 eth1 = 10.0.0.2 and connects to RMS's eth2 RMS eth0 = 10.0.1.2 and connects to RHS's eth1 eth1 = 172.16.32.1 and connects to switch in RMS building eth2 = 10.0.0.102 and connects to DO's eth1 RHS eth0 = 172.16.1.1 and connects to switch in RHS Building and then to internet gateway at 172.168.1.254 eth1 = 10.0.1.102 and connects to RMS's eth0 eth2 = 10.0.2.2 and connects to PE's eth0 PE eth0 = 10.0.2.102 and connects to RHS's eth2 eth1 = 172.16.64.1 and connects to switch in PE building iptables in not installed here is the output of route -n on each machine Elementary Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 10.0.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 172.6.32.0 10.0.2.2 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 172.16.64.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.224.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 172.16.96.0 10.0.2.2 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 172.16.0.0 10.0.2.2 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 172.16.32.0 10.0.2.2 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 10.0.2.2 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 HighSchool Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 10.0.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 10.0.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth2 172.16.64.0 10.0.2.102 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth2 172.16.96.0 10.0.1.2 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 172.16.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.224.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 172.16.32.0 10.0.1.2 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 172.16.1.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 MiddleSchool Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 10.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth2 10.0.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 172.16.64.0 10.0.1.102 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 172.16.96.0 10.0.0.2 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth2 172.16.0.0 10.0.1.102 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 172.16.32.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.224.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 10.0.1.102 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 District Office Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 10.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 172.16.64.0 10.0.0.102 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 172.16.96.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.224.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 172.16.0.0 10.0.0.102 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 172.16.32.0 10.0.0.102 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.102 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 PE router can ping each router but not internet gateway RHS router can ping each router and internet gateway RMS router can ping each router but not internet gateway DO router can ping RMS router but not the rest of the network. From nsantiago at caclv.org Wed Apr 7 17:32:09 2004 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:32:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Software / Tetris Message-ID: Hi guys, This may be a little off-topic, but I'm looking for a cross-platform solution for playing Tetris on student workstations. No, I'm not kidding. I'm looking for a Tetris game that would run on Linux, Windows and possibly Mac OS X... preferably open-source. Any ideas? -Nick <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Nicholas Santiago Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley Fowler Children's Technology Center Toll Free 1-866-847-4565 option *8 extension 66 Local 1-610-691-5620 option *8 extension 66 nsantiago at caclv.org <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From haysja at sages.us Wed Apr 7 17:34:11 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:34:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40743B93.3010504@sages.us> Mostly Mac clients. Very few Windows. Our Mac OSX clients are connecting through Samba. Windows clients connect through Samba. OS9 clients connect with Appletalk. I have it fixed now. Changing the group with the chgrp command (I told you I was embarrassed about asking the question) did the trick. Just to make sure, I added a file in cron.daily to change the group for all student files to teachers. It should work for what I want. The issue was not with giving teachers access to the folder. The issue was that, when a student creates a file, that file (in his/her folder) is owned by coojo08:coojo08 and I want it owned by coojo08:teachers. The chgrp that I put in cron.daily will change the permission each night - meaning that a teacher will have access to all files created yesterday or earlier. Doug Simpson wrote: >Are you just needing the ability to let the teachers look at their >documents and work? > >Is this a samba server serving windows clients? > >If so, make /home a share, and set the teachers as administrative users, >make it non-browseable, and read only, and also set the teachers as valid >users. As soon as you set a user (or users) as valid users, then that >restricts the share to only the users that are in the valid list. Meaning >other students can't see into each other's home directories. > >My teachers can open their student's home directoriesa d look at docs and >etc anytime. > >Hope this helps. . . > >Doug > >P.S. If anyone sees anything wrong with this method, let me know. . . > >On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Huck wrote: > > > From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Wed Apr 7 17:41:47 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: 07 Apr 2004 13:41:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Enhancement to squidGuard package to force Google's SafeSearch feature to be ON In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081359707.16307.17.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Where can this rpm be found these days. It doesn't appear to be at the location indicated below. Is there a source rpm by any chance? Thanks. On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 12:34, Eric Harrison wrote: > I wrote a patch for squidGuard that enhances the URL re-writting capabilities. > > The main purpose of this was to make it possible to force Google's SafeSearch > feature to always be ON. > > In the revised squidGuard.conf, I added a new rule that appends "&safe=active" > to any search made at google.com (including images.google.com and > groups.google.com). Here's the new rule: > > rewrite google { > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > # log google > } > > > This is made active by adding "rewrite google" in the default acl section > (active by default in the new squidGuard.conf). > > I am running these revised packages on my production servers, once I'm > sure that they are fully stable I'll put the packages into the yum/apt > repositories. > > If you want to test them out, the package can be found at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ > > This package will works on K12LTSP 3.1.2 and 4.0.0. > > -Eric > -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. From pauldavison at psps.com Wed Apr 7 17:52:01 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:52:01 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <40743B93.3010504@sages.us> References: <40743B93.3010504@sages.us> Message-ID: <40743FC1.6060109@psps.com> Hi Jim, As Roger earlier reccomended, if you recursively set the SGID (set group ID) bit for the /home/ directory tree as follows; chmod -R g+s /home and then recursively set the group ownership to the teachers group; chgrp -R teachers /home there would no longer be a need for a cron job, all new files created in those directories would have the group set to teachers. I believe that would be the standard way for setting up this type of sharing arrangement. Your solution works as well, there is just a one day time delay. For your consideration. Paul Jim Hays wrote: >> coojo08:coojo08 and I want it owned by coojo08:teachers. The chgrp that > I put in cron.daily will change the permission each night - meaning that > a teacher will have access to all files created yesterday or earlier. > From button at gti.net Wed Apr 7 18:46:48 2004 From: button at gti.net (Daniel Button) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:46:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> References: <1081351917.3390.8.camel@brendam> <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> Message-ID: <1081363608.4127.9.camel@brendam> Jim, I believe that your problem is how the user id are created. I would guess that the line in /etc/passwd shows that the user is given an id and put in a group of the same same name. An example is a follows: /etc/passwd: kdanb:x:500:500:Daniel Button:/home/kdanb:/bin/bash /etc/group: kdanb:x:500: Now do an ls -la of /home drwx-- 41 kdanb kdanb 4096 Apr 7 14:29 kdanb If I understand what you want, you need to change the group entry in /etc/passwd. The user's primary group needs to be changed to the teachers group. I would not add the users in the /etc/group entry though unless the teachers group is something that the students can't use to make mischief. /etc/passwd would look something like this: kdanb:x:500:1:Daniel Button:/home/kdanb:/bin/bash Now anytime the user create a new file or directory the ls -la entry will look like this: drwxr-xr-x 2 kdanb bin 4096 Apr 7 14:36 tmp3 >From a security standpoint, I don't think you want to do this, but it does give what you ask for. I don't recommend it!! Dan On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 12:10, Jim Hays wrote: > I am almost embarrassed to ask this question, but since I have never met > any of you face-to-face, I guess I can ask a "dumb" question. > > Scenario: (K12LTSP server as a file server for the school. Term Server > is a different box.) Middle School. Student Home Folders in /home > partition. Folders in subdirectories by graduation year. For example, > a student named Joe Cool in the class of 2008 has a folder > /home/students/2008/coojo08. His username is coojo08. Folders are > owned by the student and the group for the folders is teachers. > > The problem: When a student creates a file in his/her folder, the files > is "owned" by the student as owner and by the student as group. I need > to have the group for these files be teachers. > > What do I do to make it so that files created by students in their > folders are accessible to teachers who are in the teachers group? > > Here is what a file looks like now: > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 woobr08 woobr08 21504 Apr 7 10:13 Stocks.xls > > I need it to be > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 woobr08 teachers 21504 Apr 7 10:13 Stocks.xls > > TIA for any advice. > > > From haysja at sages.us Wed Apr 7 19:28:04 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:28:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <40743FC1.6060109@psps.com> References: <40743B93.3010504@sages.us> <40743FC1.6060109@psps.com> Message-ID: <40745644.6020900@sages.us> Thanks, Paul. I have already set the SGID for the directories and recursively changed the group. I guess I can now delete the cron job. Thanks. Paul Davison wrote: > Hi Jim, > > As Roger earlier reccomended, if you recursively set the SGID (set > group ID) bit for the /home/ directory tree as follows; > > chmod -R g+s /home > > and then recursively set the group ownership to the teachers group; > > chgrp -R teachers /home > > there would no longer be a need for a cron job, all new files created > in those directories would have the group set to teachers. I believe > that would be the standard way for setting up this type of sharing > arrangement. > > Your solution works as well, there is just a one day time delay. > > For your consideration. > > Paul > > > Jim Hays wrote: > >>> coojo08:coojo08 and I want it owned by coojo08:teachers. The chgrp >>> that >> >> I put in cron.daily will change the permission each night - meaning >> that a teacher will have access to all files created yesterday or >> earlier. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Wed Apr 7 19:49:37 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:49:37 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > The problem: When a student creates a file in his/her folder, the files > is "owned" by the student as owner and by the student as group. I need > to have the group for these files be teachers. Not sure if this would work, but couldn't you just add the teacher who needs access to the student's primary group (put mrs-teacher into cooljo08's group) and then set gid bit for that home directory? Does anyone know if that would work? --Peter From morris_r at 4j.lane.edu Wed Apr 7 20:01:12 2004 From: morris_r at 4j.lane.edu (Roger) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:01:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: References: <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> Message-ID: <20040407200112.GA22470@4j.lane.edu> Around Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 09:49:37AM -1000, Nakashima, wrote: > On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > > > The problem: When a student creates a file in his/her folder, the files > > is "owned" by the student as owner and by the student as group. I need > > to have the group for these files be teachers. > > Not sure if this would work, but couldn't you just add the teacher who > needs access to the student's primary group (put mrs-teacher into > cooljo08's group) and then set gid bit for that home directory? Does > anyone know if that would work? > --Peter redhat creates a group for each user. user1 group user1 user2 group user2 so the teacher would have to be a member of several groups. Without the other alternatives mentioned, you could have all the students in the 'student' group as their primary group, then have all teachers members of 'student'. roger From pauldavison at psps.com Wed Apr 7 20:33:19 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:33:19 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <20040407200112.GA22470@4j.lane.edu> References: <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> <20040407200112.GA22470@4j.lane.edu> Message-ID: <4074658F.8030709@psps.com> Roger wrote: > Without > the other alternatives mentioned, you could have all the students in the > 'student' group as their primary group, then have all teachers members of 'student'. > > roger In that case, all the students would have access to each others work since they are in the same group. I imagine you would want the students to be excluded from any group with such priveledges. Paul From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Wed Apr 7 21:19:39 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:19:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> Message-ID: <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> anthony baldwin wrote: > Since I'm only an English teacher and have SO much spare time to kill, > I made a new KDE splash screen for K12ltsp and loaded it up to KDE-Look.org > > http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11833 > > I hope you like it. > > tony > > -- > Anthony Baldwin > http://www.School-Library.net > Freedom to Learn! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Nice photo. Did you take it? Very nice touch (the red hat with the b/w child). I'm curious, does KDE eat up any more/less bandwidth than gnome? I've only used the default gnome destkop and am playing with the idea of IceWM and KDE, etc... -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 7 21:53:55 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:53:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long In-Reply-To: <40743ACD.9010204@litwiller.net> References: <00d301c41341$742c5180$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> <40644574.9090706@litwiller.net> <406469D8.2090002@gwi.net> <40691C3C.8020403@litwiller.net> <1080655970.6481.39.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <40743ACD.9010204@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1081374834.14064.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 12:30, Tim Litwiller wrote: > PE router can ping each router but not internet gateway > RHS router can ping each router and internet gateway > RMS router can ping each router but not internet gateway The packets are probably reaching the gateway but the gateway doesn't have a route back to return the echo. Either configure RHS to NAT on eth0 so everything appears to come from 172.16.1.1 or add routes on the gateway forwarding your private 172.x.x.x and 10.x.x.x subnets through 172.16.1.1. > DO router can ping RMS router but not the rest of the network. A ping issued directly from DO will have a source address of 10.0.0.2. Only RMS knows how to return a packet back to this address. Add routes on the others to send 10.0.0.0/24 back through their RMS connection. Your route tables could be a bit smaller if you remove subnet routes that go to the same destination as the default route but leaving them won't hurt anything. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 7 21:54:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:54:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long In-Reply-To: <40743ACD.9010204@litwiller.net> References: <00d301c41341$742c5180$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> <40644574.9090706@litwiller.net> <406469D8.2090002@gwi.net> <40691C3C.8020403@litwiller.net> <1080655970.6481.39.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <40743ACD.9010204@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1081374834.14064.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 12:30, Tim Litwiller wrote: > PE router can ping each router but not internet gateway > RHS router can ping each router and internet gateway > RMS router can ping each router but not internet gateway The packets are probably reaching the gateway but the gateway doesn't have a route back to return the echo. Either configure RHS to NAT on eth0 so everything appears to come from 172.16.1.1 or add routes on the gateway forwarding your private 172.x.x.x and 10.x.x.x subnets through 172.16.1.1. > DO router can ping RMS router but not the rest of the network. A ping issued directly from DO will have a source address of 10.0.0.2. Only RMS knows how to return a packet back to this address. Add routes on the others to send 10.0.0.0/24 back through their RMS connection. Your route tables could be a bit smaller if you remove subnet routes that go to the same destination as the default route but leaving them won't hurt anything. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed Apr 7 21:55:01 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:55:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome menu Message-ID: Hi : I am trying to get a LTSP project going for a local schooldivision. Got things working to some extend :-) Does anyone know how to adjust the gnome menu the kids see? Preferably on a per group basis... Any idea were to start? Using K12LTSP version 4.0.0 Thanks Peter From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 7 22:08:19 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:08:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1090.66.138.175.62.1081375699.squirrel@66.138.175.62> Richard K. Ingalls said: > Nice photo. Did you take it? Very nice touch (the red hat with the > b/w child). I'm curious, does KDE eat up any more/less bandwidth than > gnome? YES.....more =) > I've only used the default gnome destkop and am playing with > the idea of IceWM and KDE, etc... Ice is *the* way to go for speed and bandwidth conservation. Mind you I'm not saying I think everyone needs to go to ice and everything else sucks....but in implementations where your concerned with your server/network load you should run icewm rather than gnome or kde. I think gnome has actually gotten a little better but still in the whole scheme of things I would rank bandwidth hogs by: KDE (biggest), gnome (not as big), iceWM (light), iceWM Lite (super light. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From missive at hotmail.com Wed Apr 7 22:08:55 2004 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:08:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Student Software / Tetris Message-ID: >This may be a little off-topic, but I'm looking for a cross-platform >solution for playing Tetris on student workstations. No, I'm not kidding. > >I'm looking for a Tetris game that would run on Linux, Windows and possibly >Mac OS X... preferably open-source. Any ideas? I wrote a game like that using pygsear: http://www.nongnu.org/pygsear/ It is all written in python, using the pygame extension which I know runs on Linux and Windows and I believe will work on OS X also. It is all open source and Free. You would need python, pygame, pygsear and pygsear-games. The reason I wrote it is I wanted to use pieces w/ more than 4 blocks, so it is extensible to use any shape/ size pieces you want. There is also a "kidtris" game included which uses big pieces made of fewer blocks. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From tim at litwiller.net Wed Apr 7 22:10:19 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:10:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long In-Reply-To: <1081374834.14064.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <00d301c41341$742c5180$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> <40644574.9090706@litwiller.net> <406469D8.2090002@gwi.net> <40691C3C.8020403@litwiller.net> <1080655970.6481.39.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <40743ACD.9010204@litwiller.net> <1081374834.14064.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40747C4B.4030604@litwiller.net> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 12:30, Tim Litwiller wrote: > > > >>PE router can ping each router but not internet gateway >>RHS router can ping each router and internet gateway >>RMS router can ping each router but not internet gateway >> >> > >The packets are probably reaching the gateway but the gateway >doesn't have a route back to return the echo. Either configure >RHS to NAT on eth0 so everything appears to come from >172.16.1.1 or add routes on the gateway forwarding your >private 172.x.x.x and 10.x.x.x subnets through 172.16.1.1. > > > Sorry, I missed those It has static routes setup, back to each network with 172.16.1.1 as the gateway >>DO router can ping RMS router but not the rest of the network. >> >> > >A ping issued directly from DO will have a source address >of 10.0.0.2. Only RMS knows how to return a packet back >to this address. Add routes on the others to send 10.0.0.0/24 >back through their RMS connection. > > > Trying this now, but: PE should have a similar problem then, shouldn't it? >Your route tables could be a bit smaller if you remove >subnet routes that go to the same destination as the >default route but leaving them won't hurt anything. > > I suspected that but wanted to make sure something wasn't missed >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Apr 7 22:42:52 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:42:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> < > <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> < > <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: The sacrifice with KDE at the moment is sound...to my knowledge....in K12LTSP terminal environment sound only works with Gnome and IceWM. AFAIK ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us writes: >Nice photo. Did you take it? Very nice touch (the red hat with the >b/w child). I'm curious, does KDE eat up any more/less bandwidth than >gnome? I've only used the default gnome destkop and am playing with >the idea of IceWM and KDE, etc.. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 7 23:28:40 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:28:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. In-Reply-To: <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) Something to teach page layout and design... Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? --Huck From nbs at sonic.net Wed Apr 7 23:44:26 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:44:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. In-Reply-To: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20040407234426.GF3023@sonic.net> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 04:28:40PM -0700, Huck wrote: > Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) > > Something to teach page layout and design... > Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? Um, isn't Scribus supposed to be like that? Sorry, haven't really used Scribus, and haven't touched PageMaker in about... 10-15 years! -bill! From timlegge at etherboot.org Wed Apr 7 23:44:32 2004 From: timlegge at etherboot.org (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:44:32 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problem In-Reply-To: <40740BF6.6050601@cfl.rr.com> References: <20040407032326.59360.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> <1081332046.2032.4.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <40740BF6.6050601@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1081381472.10705.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 11:11, Brian Chase wrote: > Excellent find Timothy. The pulldown shows PXE. Actually, the drop down list is simpliy the format for booting (Floppy file, rom file etc). All the formats actually support the PXE specification (I believe support is complied in). So, whether you boot from a floppy or an Etherboot Rom, it will recognize and boot pxelinux (which I assume is what Knoppix uses). In the near future (after more testing), you could replace the 0.99 pxe on your nic (if you can flash the rom) with Etherboot's open source pxe implementation. Tim > Timothy Legge wrote: > > >>the NIC has a PXE 0.99b, and I know that some versions > >>have problems. Any quick help, or should I find > >>another NIC? No chance on getting the Netware network > >>boot stuff to work, I know... > > > > > > Recent development versions of Etherboot support PXE booting. Take a > > look at http://www.romomatic.net/5.3.7/ > > > > Tim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Apr 7 23:46:00 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (spowers at inlandlakes.org) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. In-Reply-To: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1057.66.129.41.143.1081381560.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> > Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) > > Something to teach page layout and design... > Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? I'll say "scribus" but that's without ever using it. I know that's the goal for the program, but I don't know how far they've developed. -Shawn From ckjohnson at gwi.net Wed Apr 7 23:47:41 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:47:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long In-Reply-To: <40747C4B.4030604@litwiller.net> References: <00d301c41341$742c5180$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> <40644574.9090706@litwiller.net> <406469D8.2090002@gwi.net> <40691C3C.8020403@litwiller.net> <1080655970.6481.39.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <40743ACD.9010204@litwiller.net> <1081374834.14064.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <40747C4B.4030604@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <4074931D.1030801@gwi.net> I think you guys are on the right track. To simplify: the only static routes needed are the following, everything else you need for routes are configured by interface configurations: On DO: default gw 10.0.0.102 On RMS: default gw 10.0.1.102 net 172.16.96.0 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.2 On RHS: default gw 172.16.1.254 net 172.16.96.0 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 net 172.16.32.0 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 net 172.16.64.0 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.102 On PE: default gw 10.0.2.2 On Internet GW: default gw (whatever it is for Internet connection next hop) net 172.16.0.0 255.240.0.0 gw 172.16.1.1 net 10.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 gw 172.16.1.1 I configured the entire rfc1918 networks/subnets in GW routes since no external use of private networks is feasible. That makes its routes less complex and allows you to assign other subnets of them in the future without reconfiguring the GW. Hope that does it. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 7 23:56:31 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:56:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. In-Reply-To: <20040407234426.GF3023@sonic.net> Message-ID: <002001c41cfb$f374bea0$1803010a@paasda.org> Artstream was all I could find...but $250 per seat is more than Adobe Pagemaker and Photoshop combined. The Scribus deal looks to be what I was looking for...Thanks! --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bill Kendrick Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:44 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 04:28:40PM -0700, Huck wrote: > Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) > > Something to teach page layout and design... > Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? Um, isn't Scribus supposed to be like that? Sorry, haven't really used Scribus, and haven't touched PageMaker in about... 10-15 years! -bill! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From azrich at earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 00:27:26 2004 From: azrich at earthlink.net (Jim Rich) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:27:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app. In-Reply-To: <20040407234434.0DA3674321@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Bill Wrote - Message: 10 - Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:44:26 -0700 - From: Bill Kendrick - Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. - To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." - - Message-ID: <20040407234426.GF3023 at sonic.net> - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii - - On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 04:28:40PM -0700, Huck wrote: - > Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) - > - > Something to teach page layout and design... - > Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? - - Um, isn't Scribus supposed to be like that? Sorry, haven't really - used Scribus, and haven't touched PageMaker in about... 10-15 years! - - -bill! - What I would like to see would be for a school yearbook manufacture like Justins (and/or others) support linux and Scribus. This would end a "gotta have Windows" excuse. Jim Rich From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 8 00:38:25 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:38:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002101c41d01$ce031da0$1803010a@paasda.org> Actually our yearbook ppl are doing everything via the web next year. Supposedly no need for anything other than a browser...and I believe it is Justins..Jostens or something like that. (not the yr book guy) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Rich Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 5:27 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app. Bill Wrote - Message: 10 - Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:44:26 -0700 - From: Bill Kendrick - Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. - To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." - - Message-ID: <20040407234426.GF3023 at sonic.net> - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii - - On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 04:28:40PM -0700, Huck wrote: - > Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) - > - > Something to teach page layout and design... - > Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? - - Um, isn't Scribus supposed to be like that? Sorry, haven't really - used Scribus, and haven't touched PageMaker in about... 10-15 years! - - -bill! - What I would like to see would be for a school yearbook manufacture like Justins (and/or others) support linux and Scribus. This would end a "gotta have Windows" excuse. Jim Rich _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Apr 8 01:04:48 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 06:34:48 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. In-Reply-To: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1081386288.3533.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 04:58, Huck wrote: > Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) > > Something to teach page layout and design... > Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? > > --Huck Huck, Good practise not to hijack a thread, start a new mail and not just change topic after hitting reply button. That said I would recommend scribus as other have mentioned. This along with sodipodi to do work of "coreldraw" is used by our in-house communication people. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From tim at litwiller.net Thu Apr 8 01:21:54 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:21:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long In-Reply-To: <4074931D.1030801@gwi.net> References: <00d301c41341$742c5180$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> <40644574.9090706@litwiller.net> <406469D8.2090002@gwi.net> <40691C3C.8020403@litwiller.net> <1080655970.6481.39.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <40743ACD.9010204@litwiller.net> <1081374834.14064.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <40747C4B.4030604@litwiller.net> <4074931D.1030801@gwi.net> Message-ID: <4074A932.3090604@litwiller.net> Thanks Les and Chrisopher. The route to the 10.* interface on the DO router got it working and now I wonder if the machines in the DO wouldn't have worked all the time since they are on the 172.16.96.0 network. :) oh well I like the route simplification below also. I'll try that before I put these machine back. I'm tempted to turn on dhcp for each of the buildings since that would make management of the whole system so much easier. We had to get students to help for 3 hours to change the 395 workstations in the schools. If we had dhcp that wouldn't have been needed. I'll setup a few more test machines tomorrow as client machines on the different networks and see if I can't wrap this up friday or so. Your help was very much appreciated! Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > I think you guys are on the right track. > To simplify: the only static routes needed are the following, > everything else you need for routes are configured by interface > configurations: > > On DO: default gw 10.0.0.102 > > On RMS: default gw 10.0.1.102 > net 172.16.96.0 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.2 > > On RHS: default gw 172.16.1.254 > net 172.16.96.0 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 > net 172.16.32.0 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 > net 172.16.64.0 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.102 > > On PE: default gw 10.0.2.2 > > > On Internet GW: > default gw (whatever it is for Internet connection next hop) > net 172.16.0.0 255.240.0.0 gw 172.16.1.1 > net 10.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 gw 172.16.1.1 > > > I configured the entire rfc1918 networks/subnets in GW routes since no > external use of private networks is feasible. > That makes its routes less complex and allows you to assign other > subnets of them in the future without reconfiguring the GW. > > Hope that does it. > > Chris > From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Apr 8 01:30:56 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 07:00:56 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions Question In-Reply-To: <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> References: <1081351917.3390.8.camel@brendam> <407427EA.6030905@sages.us> Message-ID: <1081387856.3533.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 21:40, Jim Hays wrote: > Here is what a file looks like now: > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 woobr08 woobr08 21504 Apr 7 10:13 Stocks.xls > > I need it to be > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 woobr08 teachers 21504 Apr 7 10:13 Stocks.xls > Why not make teacher member of each student's group? For instance I supervise "babita" so my name is added to her group in the /etc/group file, and the line looks like: babita:x:606:babita,sudev No need for cron job or chmod command and no time lag either before access is available. HTH Please also try not to hit reply button and change topic as this plays havoc in threaded views of mail clients. This is thread hijacking. Try to start a new mail. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Thu Apr 8 02:17:32 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to burn from the server (using Mondo)? In-Reply-To: <20040408013155.71F5873640@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hello, Thank you all for your help with my previous questions. I'd like to ask another question, this time about writing to a CD. I am using Mondoarchive to back up the server. Normally I use to backup to a NFS mount and it works perfectly (except for a pesky problem of sucking up ALL 2 GIG of RAM and requiring a server reset to free up the memory for performance - anyone else have that problem?) but I also would like a regular, CD-based backup which I can drop into the CD-ROM and restore from easily. However, I have not been able to use the CD-burner at all from the server without switching it to runlevel 3. I issue the command telinit 3 then log in as root and perform the backup. This won't work as well if I use telinit s. Obviously this is not very desirable, since the entire network goes down, and it can't be automated this way. And this problem applies to all instances of trying to write to CD. Does anyone use Mondo for backup, and if so, how do you use it to write to CD? Or, how do you burn a CD on a k12ltsp server? Thank you very much, Joseph From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Apr 8 02:34:10 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:34:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <4074BA22.8010403@snet.net> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > anthony baldwin wrote: > >> Since I'm only an English teacher and have SO much spare time to kill, >> I made a new KDE splash screen for K12ltsp and loaded it up to >> KDE-Look.org >> >> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11833 >> >> I hope you like it. >> >> tony >> >> -- >> Anthony Baldwin >> http://www.School-Library.net >> Freedom to Learn! >> >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >> GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ >> PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? >> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > Nice photo. Did you take it? Very nice touch (the red hat with the b/w > child). I'm curious, does KDE eat up any more/less bandwidth than > gnome? I've only used the default gnome destkop and am playing with the > idea of IceWM and KDE, etc... > > I did take the photo. That's my daughter, 2 years ago. You can view more of my photos and art at http://www.photodharma.com (there's more on KDELook.org, too.) KDE is a bit more feature rich, and, therefore, I suppose, a bit more bloated. I sometimes switch to IceWM when I get frustrated with KDE, and enjoy the speed of IceWM, but I always come back, because I'm spoiled and want KDE features. (No, I wouldn't let my students get away with a run-on like that. Usually.) tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Apr 8 02:37:26 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:37:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> < > <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> < > <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <4074BAE6.70401@snet.net> I had trouble with KDE sound for a NY minute. I switched the sound server to aRts output driver and it's fine. I listen to tunes on xmms all the time. tony David Trask wrote: > The sacrifice with KDE at the moment is sound...to my knowledge....in > K12LTSP terminal environment sound only works with Gnome and IceWM. AFAIK > > ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us writes: > >>Nice photo. Did you take it? Very nice touch (the red hat with the >>b/w child). I'm curious, does KDE eat up any more/less bandwidth than >>gnome? I've only used the default gnome destkop and am playing with >>the idea of IceWM and KDE, etc.. > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Apr 8 02:37:59 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:37:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. In-Reply-To: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4074BB07.4030403@snet.net> Huck wrote: > Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) I don't know what pagemaker does. > > Something to teach page layout and design... > Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Apr 8 02:40:05 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:40:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. In-Reply-To: <1081386288.3533.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <1081386288.3533.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4074BB85.2060009@snet.net> Coreldraw and Corel photopaint are still available to Linux, to my knowledge. They are fantastic programs. tony Sudev Barar wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 04:58, Huck wrote: > >>Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) >> >>Something to teach page layout and design... >>Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? >> >>--Huck > > Huck, > Good practise not to hijack a thread, start a new mail and not just > change topic after hitting reply button. > That said I would recommend scribus as other have mentioned. This along > with sodipodi to do work of "coreldraw" is used by our in-house > communication people. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From satimis at icare.com.hk Thu Apr 8 08:10:05 2004 From: satimis at icare.com.hk (Stephen Liu) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:10:05 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. In-Reply-To: <4074BB07.4030403@snet.net> References: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <4074BB07.4030403@snet.net> Message-ID: <200404081610.05163.satimis@icare.com.hk> Hi Huck, Have you tried; Scribus - a Page Layout program for GNU/Linux, similar to Adobe PageMaker, QuarkXPress or Adobe InDesign Also LaTeX B.R. Stephen Liu On Thursday 08 April 2004 10:37, anthony baldwin wrote: > Huck wrote: > > Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) > > I don't know what pagemaker does. > > > Something to teach page layout and design... > > Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? > > > > --Huck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Thu Apr 8 05:41:46 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Pat Healy) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:41:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. Message-ID: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027EDB@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> Scribus is the leading linux desktop publishing application (IMHO) it's included in k12ltsp version 4 and the updated rpm for a recent version is here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS And if Eric is reading, there's actually a newer version (1.1.6) available It's a terrific application -- We've used it to produce parts of the last two issues of our student newpaper! We'd have missed our last deadline without this program. -- we'd been using quark on a mac exclusively prior to this. Best Wishes. -- Pat Healy Palm Desert High School -----Original Message----- From: spowers at inlandlakes.org [mailto:spowers at inlandlakes.org] Sent: Wed 4/7/2004 4:46 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. > Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) > > Something to teach page layout and design... > Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? I'll say "scribus" but that's without ever using it. I know that's the goal for the program, but I don't know how far they've developed. -Shawn _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 8 13:21:28 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:21:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio In-Reply-To: <1081351917.3390.8.camel@brendam> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Daniel Button wrote: > Doug, > > I have a couple of Compaqs with the ES1869 chip set. i put this in my > /etc/modules.conf, and I got sound! Try it out. > > Dan > > > alias sound-slot-0 sb > alias synth0 opl3 > options sound dmabuf=1 > options opl3 io=0x388 > options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 mpu_io=0x330 > alias sound-slot-1 off # secondary sound card > alias sound-service-1-0 off # secondary sound card > This worked great. But . . . how would a person know all this? Where do you get information like this? How do you know what to enter? How do you know the parameters and everything? Thanks for the assistance, though! -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Apr 8 10:25:10 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:25:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] SunRay 150 Thin Clients Message-ID: <000901c41d53$c63f6130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All... Hope this is an easy one... I have 20 SunRay 150 Thin Clients (http://wwws.sun.com/sunray/sunray150/) and would like to run them from a K12LTSP Box... as a very quick test I pluged one of the Rays into a test K12 Box via a Crossover cable and the Ray got an DHCP address from the K12 Box but then don't go any further... Has any one got any idea's ? Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From button at gti.net Thu Apr 8 14:09:34 2004 From: button at gti.net (Daniel Button) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:09:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doug, It like this.... You get lucky in your searches on Google.;^) That is how I found mine. I had remembered in a previous install that I needed to do something like, but could not remember the syntax. I did a search and found this. I copied it into the /etc/modules.conf file and rebooted. It worked! Now all I have to do is remember to save it someplace to use it again on another machine. That is the trick!! Sorry that it wasn't more scientific. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Doug Simpson [mailto:simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:21 AM To: button at gti.net; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Daniel Button wrote: > Doug, > > I have a couple of Compaqs with the ES1869 chip set. i put this in my > /etc/modules.conf, and I got sound! Try it out. > > Dan > > > alias sound-slot-0 sb > alias synth0 opl3 > options sound dmabuf=1 > options opl3 io=0x388 > options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 mpu_io=0x330 > alias sound-slot-1 off # secondary sound card > alias sound-service-1-0 off # secondary sound card > This worked great. But . . . how would a person know all this? Where do you get information like this? How do you know what to enter? How do you know the parameters and everything? Thanks for the assistance, though! -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Apr 8 15:02:59 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:02:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1090.66.138.175.62.1081375699.squirrel@66.138.175.62> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <1090.66.138.175.62.1081375699.squirrel@66.138.175.62> Message-ID: <407569A3.7070502@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Richard K. Ingalls said: > >>Nice photo. Did you take it? Very nice touch (the red hat with the >>b/w child). I'm curious, does KDE eat up any more/less bandwidth than >>gnome? > > > YES.....more =) > > >>I've only used the default gnome destkop and am playing with >>the idea of IceWM and KDE, etc... > > > Ice is *the* way to go for speed and bandwidth conservation. Mind you I'm not > saying I think everyone needs to go to ice and everything else sucks....but in > implementations where your concerned with your server/network load you should > run icewm rather than gnome or kde. I think gnome has actually gotten a little > better but still in the whole scheme of things I would rank bandwidth hogs by: > KDE (biggest), gnome (not as big), iceWM (light), iceWM Lite (super light. > thanks Caleb. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Apr 8 15:05:32 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:05:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> < > <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> < > <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <40756A3C.3070504@glenwood.k12.mo.us> David Trask wrote: > The sacrifice with KDE at the moment is sound...to my knowledge....in > K12LTSP terminal environment sound only works with Gnome and IceWM. AFAIK > > ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us writes: > >>Nice photo. Did you take it? Very nice touch (the red hat with the >>b/w child). I'm curious, does KDE eat up any more/less bandwidth than >>gnome? I've only used the default gnome destkop and am playing with >>the idea of IceWM and KDE, etc.. > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Aha! Thanks David. That's becoming a more important point for my school. We are increasingly visiting starfall.com with our younger students. This is a great site for phonics, but it uses flash player and we MUST have sound for it. So it looks like KDE is out for me. Thanks! -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Apr 8 15:08:25 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:08:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. In-Reply-To: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40756AE9.3060306@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Huck wrote: > Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) > > Something to teach page layout and design... > Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I think you can do what you're wanting with OpenOffice. Writer and Draw are both pretty powerful tools for basic layout/DTP. They are NOT replacements for PageMaker-like products though. Scribus is looking pretty promising, but I still don't use it yet, because OpenOffice has been able to do all that I've needed it to. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From jfaletra at sau16.org Thu Apr 8 15:47:59 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:47:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. In-Reply-To: <40756AE9.3060306@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <40756AE9.3060306@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: Have you trie NUView? It's a dreamweaver type ap. More detail however than pagemaker. Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Thu Apr 8 15:27:18 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric J. Feldhusen) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:27:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Email content filtering Message-ID: Does anyone know of a open-source email content filter? From dgough at papcs.com Thu Apr 8 16:02:52 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:02:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Email content filtering Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065DFA@xms.papcs.com> Check out Procmail. I don't know much about it. Doug Gough > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric J. Feldhusen > Sent: April 8, 2004 8:27 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Email content filtering > > > Does anyone know of a open-source email content filter? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Apr 8 16:17:44 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:17:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP yum update causing trouble Message-ID: Hi All: Running K12LTSP 4.0.0 did a yum update and now clients boot bit are stock on a gray screen (X Windows) Why isn't gdm gnome starting? I can't see much in the logs. Any (wild) guesses as to what changed welcome. (I did copy etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf.rpmsave back to etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf) Regards Peter From bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us Thu Apr 8 16:20:00 2004 From: bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us (Ben Mabbott) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:20:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SunRay 150 Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <000901c41d53$c63f6130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <000901c41d53$c63f6130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <40757BB0.8030904@riverdale.k12.or.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gavin Spurgeon wrote: | I have 20 SunRay 150 Thin Clients (http://wwws.sun.com/sunray/sunray150/) | and would like to run them from a K12LTSP Box... ~From the archives, it looks like the Sun clients won't work with K12LTSP because they use a proprietary protocol to boot. http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2002-March/msg00136.html Take a look at this though: http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-May/msg00002.html ~From that it seems you can get them working provided you have a Solaris server to bridge the gap between them and your LTSP box. This seems overly complex to me though...another link in the chain means one more thing that can break. If you already have a Solaris box to play with I'd give it a shot, but otherwise I'd try and get some different clients instead. Good luck :) - -- ========================================= Ben Mabbott, bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale Grade School http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us 11733 SW Breyman Ave. Portland, OR 97219 Phone:(503)636-4511 Fax:(503)635-7534 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAdXuwq4gh1d9lZccRAh8lAJ492V85Lrhgel059ZKYdz+q3SD7QQCfZvGB R5PIn09Z6qm93D7+AOECDe0= =j5NV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 8 16:22:35 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 64bit computing and LTSP Message-ID: <20040408162235.7248.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, A few weeks ago I remember seeing people talk about K12LTSP on Operon processors running RHEL 3. I know a 64 bit processor doesn't help on the client side but how does it help on the server side? Comparing a 64bit processor with a Xeon or another processor, what are the performance gains when using the LTSP computing model? In short, what is the 64bit hype all about and can LTSP benefit from 64bit computing? Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 8 16:27:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:27:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Email content filtering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081441673.3228.94.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 10:27, Eric J. Feldhusen wrote: > Does anyone know of a open-source email content filter? MimeDefang (http://www.mimedefang.org/) is a good system side framework for running scanners. It hooks to sendmail as a milter so it is possible to refuse messages at the SMTP level as a result of the content scan instead of having to construct a bounce message and return it. It works by breaking out the attachments and running your choice of scanning programs over the content, typically using SpamAssassin and a virus checker like clam antivirus. SpamAssassin works by assigning values to different patterns and scoring according to the total of those values. There are rules in the stock configuration to match most pornography related phrases but you might need to bump up the values to make them easier to block. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 8 18:02:41 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (petre at maltzen.net) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:02:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hi Message-ID: The access is open !!! archive password: 86133 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: AttachedFile.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 21969 bytes Desc: not available URL: From penguintiz at yahoo.com Thu Apr 8 17:12:50 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <20040406182259.AB21374786@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040408171250.83278.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Jim, Netatalk does a pretty good job of behaving as an AppleShare server. You can setup multiple shares. If you are going to run netatalk, you should go to netatalk.sourceforge.net. There is a mailing list there you can join which would be beneficial. One thing to be aware of is that netatalk is still based on AFP 2.0 and OS X uses AFP 3.0. Apple did not write good backward compatability into OS X. I think their intent was to force people to upgrade their AppleShareIP server to OS X. You will run into issues with netatalk and OS X clients. Samba is a better solution if you have all OS X clients. If you are mixed with OS X and 9 or earlier, I would use netatalk and train you OS X users to deal with the idiosyncracies they will run into. If you want more details, I can give them to you but I need to go now. Dave ____________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:03:27 -0500 From: "Jim Kronebusch" Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP To: Message-ID: <006901c41c01$79194220$1b1b060a at winonacotter.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this summer. Right now if a user logs in via appletalk they get to choose from multiple share points. Is this possible with netatalk? Or is it possible to have aliases within the users home directory to take them to other home directories as long as they have proper permissions to the other folders via group privileges? Can this same setup also be accessed via FTP as well? Here is a scenario if it helps: User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop folder located in /home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ Can this user either: A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and /1sthourdrop/ or B. Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an alias to /1sthourdrop/ I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes option to lock into the users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. Whatever solution I go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in from home via FTP on a Windows based system they can traverse directories in the same fashion. Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, and we are adding more Windows machines, when we get to adding Linux machines they will be thin clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect this configuration as well. I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And please straighten me out if there is a better way to do this. I want to avoid giving users more than one username and password. Also depending on what activities or courses a student is involved in, this won't be limited to two folders, there may be half a dozen in some cases. Thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 8 17:21:15 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:21:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Email content filtering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c41d8d$e5cc9240$1803010a@paasda.org> Dansguardian... In conjunction with squid... --Huck It's what I run...and does a lovely job =) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric J. Feldhusen Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:27 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Email content filtering Does anyone know of a open-source email content filter? _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Thu Apr 8 17:14:42 2004 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (pnelson) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:14:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab Message-ID: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> Hello Folks, I have 26 new IBM laptops ready for use in our new Linux Mobile Lab. I have one of them all configured and ready to go. The hard drive was repartitioned so it now dual boots XP and Fedora Core 2. I could use Ghost to replicate the drives on the other 25 but I don't want to pay for any Ghost licenses. What's the easiest way to make an image of this drive (both partitions) and then send it back out again to the other 25 machines? I was thinking of using the Knoppix CD and doing something with nfs but I'm hoping that the expertise of the K12OSN list will keep me from doing any wheel inventing at all. ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale High...........9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 (503)892-0722......fax(503)892-0723.... http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 8 17:16:54 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:16:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Google, eh? I guess I'll just have to use Google a bit more. . . BTW, it didn't even require a reboot on thses. I just logged out and back in and it worked. Thanks again! DS On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Daniel Button wrote: > Doug, > > It like this.... You get lucky in your searches on Google.;^) That is how > I found mine. I had remembered in a previous install that I needed to do > something like, but could not remember the syntax. I did a search and found > this. I copied it into the /etc/modules.conf file and rebooted. It worked! > Now all I have to do is remember to save it someplace to use it again on > another machine. That is the trick!! > > Sorry that it wasn't more scientific. > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Simpson [mailto:simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us] > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:21 AM > To: button at gti.net; Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio > > > On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Daniel Button wrote: > > > Doug, > > > > I have a couple of Compaqs with the ES1869 chip set. i put this in my > > /etc/modules.conf, and I got sound! Try it out. > > > > Dan > > > > > > alias sound-slot-0 sb > > alias synth0 opl3 > > options sound dmabuf=1 > > options opl3 io=0x388 > > options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 mpu_io=0x330 > > alias sound-slot-1 off # secondary sound card > > alias sound-service-1-0 off # secondary sound card > > > This worked great. > > But . . . how would a person know all this? Where do you get information > like this? How do you know what to enter? How do you know the parameters > and everything? > > Thanks for the assistance, though! > > -- > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! > Tux for President! > > > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 8 17:33:50 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:33:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> Message-ID: <1081445630.3228.123.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 12:14, pnelson wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I have 26 new IBM laptops ready for use in our new Linux Mobile Lab. I > have one of them all configured and ready to go. The hard drive was > repartitioned so it now dual boots XP and Fedora Core 2. > > I could use Ghost to replicate the drives on the other 25 but I don't > want to pay for any Ghost licenses. What's the easiest way to make an > image of this drive (both partitions) and then send it back out again to > the other 25 machines? > > I was thinking of using the Knoppix CD and doing something with nfs but > I'm hoping that the expertise of the K12OSN list will keep me from doing > any wheel inventing at all. If you have an intermediate place to dump the image: Boot the knoppix CD on the master machine. Open a root shell. dd if=/dev/hda |gzip |ssh storage_server "cat >/path/to/image" enter root password when prompted go away for a long time Boot the knoppix CD on a target machine. Open a root shell. ssh storage_server zcat /path/to/image |dd of=/dev/hda enter the root password when prompted go away for a long time remove knoppix CD & reboot when finished I'm not sure what this does to the XP license mechanism. It will break win2k's SSID mechanism if you are using a domain since every machine is supposed to have a unique ssid. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Thu Apr 8 17:35:23 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: 08 Apr 2004 13:35:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> Message-ID: <1081445723.2112.3.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 13:14, pnelson wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I have 26 new IBM laptops ready for use in our new Linux Mobile Lab. I > have one of them all configured and ready to go. The hard drive was > repartitioned so it now dual boots XP and Fedora Core 2. > > I could use Ghost to replicate the drives on the other 25 but I don't > want to pay for any Ghost licenses. What's the easiest way to make an > image of this drive (both partitions) and then send it back out again to > the other 25 machines? > I haven't actually tried it with dual boot boxes but I think g4u will do what you desire. The biggest gotcha that you can bit by with this utility is that the target hard drive cannot be smaller than whatever the source was. But that doesn't sound like it would be a problem here. http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Apr 8 17:35:58 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:35:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> Message-ID: <1081445758.5278.6.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 10:14, pnelson wrote: > I was thinking of using the Knoppix CD and doing something with nfs but > I'm hoping that the expertise of the K12OSN list will keep me from doing > any wheel inventing at all. I think you're on the right track w/ using a Live-CD and NFS. Mondo is supposed to be good for bare-metal restores. Check out the March 25 entry: http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/news/news.html Partimage has experimental support for NTFS: http://www.partimage.org/ -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Apr 8 17:41:28 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:41:28 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab Message-ID: <040820041741.1041.40758EC800025B2F000004112200735446FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Paul, What about Mondo/Mindi? It works for servers, why not a laptop? I'm sure someone else will find the discussion on this subject back in the archive and provide a better suggestion. :) Also, I am looking to purchase a laptop that will run WinXp/Fedora so .. can you provide the specs on the laptop used? Thanks, Dave Hopkins > Hello Folks, > > I have 26 new IBM laptops ready for use in our new Linux Mobile Lab. I > have one of them all configured and ready to go. The hard drive was > repartitioned so it now dual boots XP and Fedora Core 2. > > I could use Ghost to replicate the drives on the other 25 but I don't > want to pay for any Ghost licenses. What's the easiest way to make an > image of this drive (both partitions) and then send it back out again to > the other 25 machines? > > I was thinking of using the Knoppix CD and doing something with nfs but > I'm hoping that the expertise of the K12OSN list will keep me from doing > any wheel inventing at all. > > ;-) Paul > -- > ====================================================================== > Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us > Riverdale High...........9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 > (503)892-0722......fax(503)892-0723.... http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From julius at turtle.com Thu Apr 8 17:47:34 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Email content filtering In-Reply-To: <1081441673.3228.94.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 10:27, Eric J. Feldhusen wrote: > > Does anyone know of a open-source email content filter? > > MimeDefang (http://www.mimedefang.org/) is a good system > side framework for running scanners. It hooks to sendmail > as a milter so it is possible to refuse messages at the SMTP > level as a result of the content scan instead of having to > construct a bounce message and return it. It works by > breaking out the attachments and running your choice of > scanning programs over the content, typically using > SpamAssassin and a virus checker like clam antivirus. > SpamAssassin works by assigning values to different patterns > and scoring according to the total of those values. There > are rules in the stock configuration to match most pornography > related phrases but you might need to bump up the values to > make them easier to block. > MimeDefang was such a pain to install, that I went with ScanMail - install was rather easy and it works very well with SpamAssassin and antivirus software. julius From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Apr 8 17:48:05 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:48:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081445630.3228.123.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> <1081445630.3228.123.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1081446485.5278.19.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 10:33, Les Mikesell wrote: > I'm not sure what this does to the XP license mechanism. It will break > win2k's SSID mechanism if you are using a domain since every machine is > supposed to have a unique ssid. Sysprep is the tool to reset SIDs. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/itpro/deploying/introduction.asp http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/itpro/deploying/duplication.asp -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From austinsr at uindy.edu Thu Apr 8 13:08:33 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:08:33 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP yum update causing trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081429713.2305.22.camel@gentoo.is.uindy.edu> Peter, When it updates the packages to 4.0.1, it will move your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf to a backup file and put a new lts.conf file in place. Most likely, you are not using the default values for the server ip and such, and that is why it isnt working. I had the same problem after i updated. You can just copy and paste the station entries into the bottom of the new conf file and reboot the station. It should work after that. Shawn Austin On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 16:17, Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > Hi All: > > Running K12LTSP 4.0.0 did a > yum update > and now clients boot bit are stock on a gray screen (X Windows) > Why isn't gdm gnome starting? > > I can't see much in the logs. > > Any (wild) guesses as to what changed welcome. > > (I did copy etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf.rpmsave back to etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf) > > Regards > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Apr 8 18:05:24 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:05:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SunRay 150 Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <000901c41d53$c63f6130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <000901c41d53$c63f6130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <40759464.8010002@cfl.rr.com> Out of the FAQ's on that site 9. Q. What are the requirements for a Sun Ray server? A. The server must be running Solaris 8 Operating System or later and must have at least 40 MB of RAM for each active user. In addition, Sun recommends that each CPU support 10 to 25 users, depending on the applications the users are accessing Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi All... > > Hope this is an easy one... > > I have 20 SunRay 150 Thin Clients (http://wwws.sun.com/sunray/sunray150/) > and would like to run them from a K12LTSP Box... > as a very quick test I pluged one of the Rays into a test K12 Box via a > Crossover > cable and the Ray got an DHCP address from the K12 Box but then don't go > any further... > Has any one got any idea's ? > > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From austinsr at uindy.edu Thu Apr 8 18:02:22 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (austinsr at uindy.edu) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:02:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP yum update causing trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081447342.407593ae4414b@webmail2.uindy.edu> Peter, When it updates the packages to 4.0.1, it will move your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf to a backup file and put a new lts.conf file in place. Most likely, you are not using the default values for the server ip and such, and that is why it isnt working. I had the same problem after i updated. You can just copy and paste the station entries into the bottom of the new conf file and reboot the station. It should work after that. Shawn Austin Quoting Peter Van den Wildenbergh : > > Hi All: > > Running K12LTSP 4.0.0 did a > yum update > and now clients boot bit are stock on a gray screen (X Windows) > Why isn't gdm gnome starting? > > I can't see much in the logs. > > Any (wild) guesses as to what changed welcome. > > (I did copy etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf.rpmsave back to etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf) > > Regards > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 8 18:10:29 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:10:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <20040408171250.83278.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ba01c41d94$c95d0b60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Dave, Thanks for the extra info on AFP version, I didn't know that. We have OSX, OS9, Windows 9x-XP, and Linux clients here. So I will be forced to run Netatalk and Samba. We also need external access from home for teachers and students to the main files server for all platforms so I will also be forced to run FTP (Users could connect via AFP over TCP but that still leaves trouble for Windows users). I have set up netatalk, samba and FTP before. My problem is mostly with if I set up share points in netatalk, how to I mirror the same share points to samba and even FTP if possible? I am thinking that with FTP I may be forced to just settle with them logging into their home folder and calling it good. But I would like local users to see the same directory structure from and client whether using SMB or AFP. I have thought of just dumping users into a /home and letting them traverse to whichever folder they need since they won't have permissions to access folders they aren't supposed to, but this is a cumbersome method and I like to not have users even see folders they don't have access to. On my Windows server with Serv-U as the server I sould set up aliases for each user in FTP for any other directories they had access to, can vsFTP do the same? Ultimately I would like to log in via AFP, SMB, or FTP directly into my /home/user folder by default, then if possible have aliases within that folder to take me directly to any other folder I have priveleges to say /home/publicdrop or /home/teachers/teachername/homeworkdrop. If the previous isn't possible maybe have it where if I log in via AFP I see 3 mount points to choose from, via SMB and FTP three folders to choose from. I am sure I can get these results via AFP but am lost on how to do it with SMB and FTP. I also could just give users multiple usernames and passwords for different types of access but they have enough trouble remembering one :-) Anyway the info you have offered helps, Thanks In the end I am sure I will just realize I am asking for too much :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Tisdell Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:13 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP Jim, Netatalk does a pretty good job of behaving as an AppleShare server. You can setup multiple shares. If you are going to run netatalk, you should go to netatalk.sourceforge.net. There is a mailing list there you can join which would be beneficial. One thing to be aware of is that netatalk is still based on AFP 2.0 and OS X uses AFP 3.0. Apple did not write good backward compatability into OS X. I think their intent was to force people to upgrade their AppleShareIP server to OS X. You will run into issues with netatalk and OS X clients. Samba is a better solution if you have all OS X clients. If you are mixed with OS X and 9 or earlier, I would use netatalk and train you OS X users to deal with the idiosyncracies they will run into. If you want more details, I can give them to you but I need to go now. Dave ____________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:03:27 -0500 From: "Jim Kronebusch" Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP To: Message-ID: <006901c41c01$79194220$1b1b060a at winonacotter.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this summer. Right now if a user logs in via appletalk they get to choose from multiple share points. Is this possible with netatalk? Or is it possible to have aliases within the users home directory to take them to other home directories as long as they have proper permissions to the other folders via group privileges? Can this same setup also be accessed via FTP as well? Here is a scenario if it helps: User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop folder located in /home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ Can this user either: A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and /1sthourdrop/ or B. Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an alias to /1sthourdrop/ I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes option to lock into the users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. Whatever solution I go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in from home via FTP on a Windows based system they can traverse directories in the same fashion. Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, and we are adding more Windows machines, when we get to adding Linux machines they will be thin clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect this configuration as well. I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And please straighten me out if there is a better way to do this. I want to avoid giving users more than one username and password. Also depending on what activities or courses a student is involved in, this won't be limited to two folders, there may be half a dozen in some cases. Thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 8 18:20:50 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:20:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081445723.2112.3.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <00bb01c41d96$3bb69d60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Do you know if this works for Apple file systems as well? I assume it would since it is bit by bit copying. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rambo Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:35 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 13:14, pnelson wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I have 26 new IBM laptops ready for use in our new Linux Mobile Lab. I > have one of them all configured and ready to go. The hard drive was > repartitioned so it now dual boots XP and Fedora Core 2. > > I could use Ghost to replicate the drives on the other 25 but I don't > want to pay for any Ghost licenses. What's the easiest way to make an > image of this drive (both partitions) and then send it back out again > to the other 25 machines? > I haven't actually tried it with dual boot boxes but I think g4u will do what you desire. The biggest gotcha that you can bit by with this utility is that the target hard drive cannot be smaller than whatever the source was. But that doesn't sound like it would be a problem here. http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us Thu Apr 8 18:22:49 2004 From: bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us (Ben Mabbott) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:22:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64bit computing and LTSP In-Reply-To: <20040408162235.7248.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040408162235.7248.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40759879.90609@riverdale.k12.or.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chris Thomas wrote: | A few weeks ago I remember seeing people talk about | K12LTSP on Operon processors running RHEL 3. I know a | 64 bit processor doesn't help on the client side but | how does it help on the server side? Comparing a 64bit | processor with a Xeon or another processor, what are | the performance gains when using the LTSP computing | model? In short, what is the 64bit hype all about and It's not quite what all the hype makes it out to be. A lot of people think "64 is 32 doubled...it must be twice as fast!" Not true unfortunately. The major difference is in the amount of memory that the CPU can address. With a 32bit CPU, it's 4GB. With 64bit, the theoretical max is 18 million terabytes. Quite a jump :) Take a look at this article if you really want to get into the nitty gritty: http://www.arstechnica.com/cpu/03q1/x86-64/x86-64-1.html Obviously there aren't any platforms that can support anywhere near that amount of RAM today. But on a 64bit platform you can fill all your DIMM slots with 4GB sticks and the CPU will be able to use all of it, which means you can have just about everything cached. Where that really makes a difference today is in large databases, but an LTSP server can benefit too. The ability to have just about every app on the server cached will make things nice and speedy...until you hit the next bottleneck that is :) If you already have a server, I wouldn't run out and replace it with a 64bit setup just yet. Most of the benefit is down the road. Anyone in the market for a new server should probably take a long look at an Opteron setup though. - -- ========================================= Ben Mabbott, bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale Grade School http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us 11733 SW Breyman Ave. Portland, OR 97219 Phone:(503)636-4511 Fax:(503)635-7534 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAdZh5q4gh1d9lZccRAjdEAKDAHm+Hgr1oabikkbozUb9u+vOjuQCgjBSw 1xZ9esEN7euemhmPvEc+gWk= =OwIh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 8 18:32:57 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:32:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081446485.5278.19.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> <1081445630.3228.123.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1081446485.5278.19.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1081449177.3228.131.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 12:48, Dan Young wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 10:33, Les Mikesell wrote: > > I'm not sure what this does to the XP license mechanism. It will break > > win2k's SSID mechanism if you are using a domain since every machine is > > supposed to have a unique ssid. > > Sysprep is the tool to reset SIDs. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/itpro/deploying/introduction.asp > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/itpro/deploying/duplication.asp OK, then add running that on the master machine before dd'ing the master image off to the earlier instructions. Also note that the disk drives have to be exactly the same for a dd of the whole drive to work but it takes care of the boot loader which can be a problem using partition tools. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From haysja at sages.us Thu Apr 8 18:35:30 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:35:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <00ba01c41d94$c95d0b60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00ba01c41d94$c95d0b60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40759B72.9070208@sages.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Dave, >Thanks for the extra info on AFP version, I didn't know that. We have >OSX, OS9, Windows 9x-XP, and Linux clients here. So I will be forced to >run Netatalk and Samba. We also need external access from home for >teachers and students to the main files server for all platforms so I >will also be forced to run FTP (Users could connect via AFP over TCP but >that still leaves trouble for Windows users). > >I have set up netatalk, samba and FTP before. My problem is mostly with >if I set up share points in netatalk, how to I mirror the same share >points to samba and even FTP if possible? I am thinking that with FTP I >may be forced to just settle with them logging into their home folder >and calling it good. But I would like local users to see the same >directory structure from and client whether using SMB or AFP. I have >thought of just dumping users into a /home and letting them traverse to >whichever folder they need since they won't have permissions to access >folders they aren't supposed to, but this is a cumbersome method and I >like to not have users even see folders they don't have access to. > >On my Windows server with Serv-U as the server I sould set up aliases >for each user in FTP for any other directories they had access to, can >vsFTP do the same? > >Ultimately I would like to log in via AFP, SMB, or FTP directly into my >/home/user folder by default, then if possible have aliases within that >folder to take me directly to any other folder I have priveleges to say >/home/publicdrop or /home/teachers/teachername/homeworkdrop. > >If the previous isn't possible maybe have it where if I log in via AFP I >see 3 mount points to choose from, via SMB and FTP three folders to >choose from. I am sure I can get these results via AFP but am lost on >how to do it with SMB and FTP. > >I also could just give users multiple usernames and passwords for >different types of access but they have enough trouble remembering one >:-) > >Anyway the info you have offered helps, Thanks > >In the end I am sure I will just realize I am asking for too much :-) > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of David Tisdell >Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:13 PM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP > > >Jim, >Netatalk does a pretty good job of behaving as an >AppleShare server. You can setup multiple shares. If >you are going to run netatalk, you should go to >netatalk.sourceforge.net. There is a mailing list there you can join >which would be beneficial. One thing to be aware of is that netatalk is >still based on AFP 2.0 and OS X uses AFP 3.0. Apple did not write good >backward compatability into OS X. I think their intent was to force >people to upgrade their AppleShareIP server to OS X. You will run into >issues with netatalk and OS X clients. Samba is a better solution if you >have all OS X clients. If you are mixed with OS X and 9 or earlier, I >would use netatalk and train you OS X users to deal with the >idiosyncracies they will run into. If you want more details, I can give >them to you but I need to go now. Dave >____________________________________________ >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:03:27 -0500 >From: "Jim Kronebusch" >Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with >Netatalk and vsFTP >To: >Message-ID: ><006901c41c01$79194220$1b1b060a at winonacotter.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this >summer. Right >now >if a user logs in via appletalk they get to choose >from multiple share >points. Is this possible with netatalk? Or is it >possible to have >aliases within the users home directory to take them >to other home >directories as long as they have proper permissions to >the other >folders >via group privileges? Can this same setup also be >accessed via FTP as >well? > >Here is a scenario if it helps: > >User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ >Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop >folder located >in >/home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ > >Can this user either: >A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and >/1sthourdrop/ or >B. Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an >alias to >/1sthourdrop/ > >I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes >option to lock >into the users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. >Whatever solution I go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in >from home via FTP on a Windows based system they can traverse >directories in the same fashion. > >Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, >and we are >adding >more Windows machines, when we get to adding Linux >machines they will >be >thin clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect >this configuration >as well. > >I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And >please >straighten >me out if there is a better way to do this. I want to >avoid giving >users more than one username and password. Also >depending on what >activities or courses a student is involved in, this >won't be limited >to >two folders, there may be half a dozen in some cases. > >Thanks > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway >http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 8 18:41:50 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:41:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Email content filtering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081449710.3228.141.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 12:47, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > MimeDefang was such a pain to install, that I went with ScanMail - install > was rather easy and it works very well with SpamAssassin and antivirus > software. julius Yes, probably not for the faint of heart, but I'd expect it to scale better than most alternatives and give you better control overall. I think at least one of the apt repositories has it available for apt-get, but it would be nice if someone could package it specifically for k12ltsp. It does have a commercial version called canit if you can pay for support and better install process. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Apr 8 18:56:41 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:56:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081445630.3228.123.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> <1081445630.3228.123.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4075A069.9020301@gwi.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > If you have an intermediate place to dump the image: > > Boot the knoppix CD on the master machine. > Open a root shell. > dd if=/dev/hda |gzip |ssh storage_server "cat >/path/to/image" > enter root password when prompted > go away for a long time > >Boot the knoppix CD on a target machine. >Open a root shell. >ssh storage_server zcat /path/to/image |dd of=/dev/hda > enter the root password when prompted > go away for a long time > remove knoppix CD & reboot when finished > > You didn't say what size the drives are and whether they are all identical systems (and hard drives models). But if they are the same and the above dd copy is a viable solution, then there is another dd based solution which may have better performance, depending on whether your bottleneck is likely to be cpu or network bandwidth and latency. On the master machine: Boot knoppix CD or K12LTSP/Fedora CD1 entering 'linux rescue' at boot prompt, choose to start network, skip mounting filesystems. Open a root shell. Create a mount point directory (e.g. /mnt/point). Mount an nfs export from server on that mount point. dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/point/mobile_hda.img bs=10M wait On a target machine: Boot knoppix CD or K12LTSP/Fedora CD1 entering 'linux rescue' at boot prompt, choose to start network, skip mounting filesystems. Open a root shell. Create a mount point directory (e.g. /mnt/point). Mount an nfs export from server on that mount point. dd if=/mnt/point/mobile_hda.img of=/dev/hda bs=10M wait apply SSID correction per other messages in thread This will take more space on the server, but using the UDP based NFS transport and not trying to compress/decompress it at the workstation and encrypt/decrypt it at both ends for ssh may be faster. The SSID correction I think needs to be done on each target machine, since doing so on the master will still result in identical SSIDs on the targets. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 8 18:57:45 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:57:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP help needed Message-ID: <61270.170.211.161.223.1081450665.squirrel@170.211.161.223> I need to take dhcp services down on one box and bring them up on a new one. What's the neatest way to do this without mass client confusion (leases and such) -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 8 19:05:37 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:05:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <4075A069.9020301@gwi.net> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> <1081445630.3228.123.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4075A069.9020301@gwi.net> Message-ID: <1081451134.3228.150.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 13:56, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > apply SSID correction per other messages in thread > I think the sysprep step has to happen on the master machine before the copy is taken. It will also make the clone machine re-detect hardware as it comes up the first time and allow copies to slightly different hardware to work. > This will take more space on the server, but using the UDP based NFS > transport and not trying to compress/decompress it at the workstation > and encrypt/decrypt it at both ends for ssh may be faster. It is likely to be fairly slow any way you do it because it copies all the disk, not just the used portion. However it doesn't have to take 'human' time if you find something else to do while it runs and if the network isn't the bottleneck you can do several at once. It would also work to boot knoppix on a pair of machines, set up the ssh server on one and do the copy directly to the other without making an intermediate file copy. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Apr 8 19:11:44 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 09 Apr 2004 03:11:44 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> Message-ID: <1081451520.24403.33.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 01:14, pnelson wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I could use Ghost to replicate the drives on the other 25 but I don't > want to pay for any Ghost licenses. What's the easiest way to make an > image of this drive (both partitions) and then send it back out again to > the other 25 machines? Haven't used it yet but was looking at FRISBEE the other day and might suit your need for disk replication. Gavin. From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Apr 8 19:13:44 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:13:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP help needed In-Reply-To: <61270.170.211.161.223.1081450665.squirrel@170.211.161.223> References: <61270.170.211.161.223.1081450665.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: <4075A468.7070508@gwi.net> Caleb Wagnon wrote: >I need to take dhcp services down on one box and bring them up on a new one. >What's the neatest way to do this without mass client confusion (leases and >such) > > > I believe this procedure will do what you want, but haven't tested it. BTW if you have any routers or other boxes acting as dhcprelays they will need to be reconfigured to point to the new dhcp server address. First copy the /etc/dhcpd.conf from old box to new box. Make sure if you need to specify what interface to use that you modify /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd DHCPARGS line accordingly. stop dhcpd on old box copy /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd* from old box to new box start dhcpd on new box The clients will try to renew with old server, but failing that are according to the dhcp protocol supposed to perform a new dhcpdiscover to find one. And the new server should identify the prior lease and re-offer it. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 8 19:25:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:25:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP help needed In-Reply-To: <4075A468.7070508@gwi.net> References: <61270.170.211.161.223.1081450665.squirrel@170.211.161.223> <4075A468.7070508@gwi.net> Message-ID: <63152.170.211.161.223.1081452300.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Christopher K. Johnson said: > .....copy /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd* from old box to new box AHA! THAT is what has screwed me in the past. I know this will work....before I just never copied /var/lib/dhcp.....and bad things happend for a while. Baaad things. Thanks! -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Apr 8 20:37:56 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:37:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <40756A3C.3070504@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> < > <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> < > <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <40756A3C.3070504@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <4075B824.70301@snet.net> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > David Trask wrote: > >> The sacrifice with KDE at the moment is sound...to my knowledge....in >> K12LTSP terminal environment sound only works with Gnome and IceWM. >> AFAIK >> >> ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us writes: >> >>> Nice photo. Did you take it? Very nice touch (the red hat with the >>> b/w child). I'm curious, does KDE eat up any more/less bandwidth >>> than gnome? I've only used the default gnome destkop and am playing >>> with the idea of IceWM and KDE, etc.. >> >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > Aha! Thanks David. That's becoming a more important point for my > school. We are increasingly visiting starfall.com with our younger > students. This is a great site for phonics, but it uses flash player > and we MUST have sound for it. So it looks like KDE is out for me. Thanks! > BUT sound DOES work in KDE...I'm listening to Jerry Garcia on XMMS with KDE right now! -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Apr 8 20:48:20 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:48:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP help needed In-Reply-To: <63152.170.211.161.223.1081452300.squirrel@170.211.161.223> References: <61270.170.211.161.223.1081450665.squirrel@170.211.161.223> <4075A468.7070508@gwi.net> <63152.170.211.161.223.1081452300.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: <4075BA94.7040602@gwi.net> Caleb Wagnon wrote: >Christopher K. Johnson said: > > >>.....copy /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd* from old box to new box >> >> > >AHA! THAT is what has screwed me in the past. I know this will work....before >I just never copied /var/lib/dhcp.....and bad things happend for a while. >Baaad things. Thanks! > > Oh, and don't forget to correctly configure time zone and set time the same first. I use ntpd to keep mine accurate, but if you don't and time on the new box is ahead, then it may consider a lease prematurely expired and available for assignment on a new request. Leases are GMT based so if you set correct time but in a different time zone, it would also impact expiry of every entry in those files. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 8 20:58:47 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:58:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1090.66.138.175.62.1081375699.squirrel@66.138.175.62> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <1090.66.138.175.62.1081375699.squirrel@66.138.175.62> Message-ID: <4075BD07.8020604@maltzen.net> What's the difference between IceWM and IceWM Lite? And more important, where can I find a screenshot of the Lite version? Petre Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Richard K. Ingalls said: > >>Nice photo. Did you take it? Very nice touch (the red hat with the >>b/w child). I'm curious, does KDE eat up any more/less bandwidth than >>gnome? > > > YES.....more =) > > >>I've only used the default gnome destkop and am playing with >>the idea of IceWM and KDE, etc... > > > Ice is *the* way to go for speed and bandwidth conservation. Mind you I'm not > saying I think everyone needs to go to ice and everything else sucks....but in > implementations where your concerned with your server/network load you should > run icewm rather than gnome or kde. I think gnome has actually gotten a little > better but still in the whole scheme of things I would rank bandwidth hogs by: > KDE (biggest), gnome (not as big), iceWM (light), iceWM Lite (super light. > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 8 21:21:20 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:21:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <4075BD07.8020604@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <002c01c41daf$7020da20$1803010a@paasda.org> Along this line...is there a generally accepted method of figuring out approximately How much bandwidth is used by each windowsmanager? For some labs bandwidth might not be an issue and for others I might need every little bit I can scrounge. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:59 PM To: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp What's the difference between IceWM and IceWM Lite? And more important, where can I find a screenshot of the Lite version? Petre Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Richard K. Ingalls said: > >>Nice photo. Did you take it? Very nice touch (the red hat with the >>b/w child). I'm curious, does KDE eat up any more/less bandwidth than >>gnome? > > > YES.....more =) > > >>I've only used the default gnome destkop and am playing with the idea >>of IceWM and KDE, etc... > > > Ice is *the* way to go for speed and bandwidth conservation. Mind you > I'm not saying I think everyone needs to go to ice and everything else > sucks....but in implementations where your concerned with your > server/network load you should run icewm rather than gnome or kde. I > think gnome has actually gotten a little better but still in the whole > scheme of things I would rank bandwidth hogs by: KDE (biggest), gnome > (not as big), iceWM (light), iceWM Lite (super light. > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Apr 8 22:06:31 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:06:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP help needed In-Reply-To: <4075BA94.7040602@gwi.net> References: <61270.170.211.161.223.1081450665.squirrel@170.211.161.223> <4075A468.7070508@gwi.net> <63152.170.211.161.223.1081452300.squirrel@170.211.161.223> <4075BA94.7040602@gwi.net> Message-ID: <1081461991.436.49.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 13:48, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Oh, and don't forget to correctly configure time zone and set time the > same first. I use ntpd to keep mine accurate, but if you don't and time > on the new box is ahead, then it may consider a lease prematurely > expired and available for assignment on a new request. Leases are GMT > based so if you set correct time but in a different time zone, it would > also impact expiry of every entry in those files. Another trick that I have used in the past for smooth DHCP migrations is to reduce the lease time on the running server to a very low value, say an hour or so. Then, after COB on a Friday, drop in the new server, and by the time everyone comes back on Monday, everyone's lease has expired and needs to get a new one. The real trick is only to change the lease time on the old server far enough ahead of time that you can be sure that all leases have expired and the devices have gotten new short leases. So for instance, in my netwrok, I would have to change the lease time a week ahead of time. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon 541.767.3778 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From goblin at scooter.co.nz Thu Apr 8 22:22:21 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (MrGoblin) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:22:21 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081451520.24403.33.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> <1081451520.24403.33.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <4075D09D.2040806@scooter.co.nz> On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 01:14, pnelson wrote: > >>Hello Folks, >> >>I could use Ghost to replicate the drives on the other 25 but I don't >>want to pay for any Ghost licenses. What's the easiest way to make an >>image of this drive (both partitions) and then send it back out again to >>the other 25 machines? or the fast way... http://www.udpcast.linux.lu/?power-to-the-people mRgOBLIN From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Fri Apr 9 07:08:03 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 09:08:03 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] SunRay 150 Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <000901c41d53$c63f6130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <000901c41d53$c63f6130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <40764BD3.8060702@tpg.com.au> Hi Gavin. We have 15 Sun Rays that run K12ltsp but we still need the Solaris Server to boot them to a login screen unfortunately. Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >Hi All... > >Hope this is an easy one... > >I have 20 SunRay 150 Thin Clients (http://wwws.sun.com/sunray/sunray150/) >and would like to run them from a K12LTSP Box... >as a very quick test I pluged one of the Rays into a test K12 Box via a >Crossover >cable and the Ray got an DHCP address from the K12 Box but then don't go >any further... >Has any one got any idea's ? > > >Best Regards > > >Gavin Spurgeon >Assistant Systems Administrator >http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk >Tel: 01322 620400 >DDI: 01322 620501 >IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From ybjones at one.net Thu Apr 8 23:17:23 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:17:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Email content filtering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040408231328.RDIH22605.smtp2.fuse.net@speckledcat> >Does anyone know of a open-source email content filter? I use Anomy and SpamAssassin with my Gentoo mail server. I would think that they would work with an LTSP install as well. -Yancey From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Apr 8 23:17:43 2004 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:17:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using Active Directory as an LDAP server (Linux authentication/etc) Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073EBC@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Has anyone successfully integrated their Linux boxes into an Active Directory Domain (blech) using the plugin that was available at css-solutions (which has gone wandering... I did finally find a copy and get it installed)? Or using Microsoft's Services for Unix (shudder)? That way all the Unix based information would be stored in AD and not have to use a samba/winbind/separate ldap server solution. I've been working at it a bit using 2 howtos off the net, but I haven't had much success yet. Thanks for any help! Henry Burroughs Technology Director hburroughs at hhprep.org Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 8 20:03:49 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:03:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro with ES1869 audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04040816043602.01885@newguy> that info is in /etc/modules.conf when you run a cd based distro (or put card in a linux system)..chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 8 20:05:49 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:05:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> Message-ID: <04040816084103.01885@newguy> hard to get root in a knoppix cd distro..i used suse live eval and even easier is mandrake move....nfsmount another machine and dd the image to it.. then start a fresh machine in mandrake and dd it back to new machine...i did this with 40 gig xp install...might hve to do your partitions seperately..chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 8 20:09:15 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:09:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Email content filtering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04040816092504.01885@newguy> we use assp..chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 8 20:09:58 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:09:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP yum update causing trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04040816104705.01885@newguy> is xdmcp running??? netstat -anp|grep 177..check out gray screen.html on ltsp.org,,,chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 8 20:11:20 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:11:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SunRay 150 Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <40757BB0.8030904@riverdale.k12.or.us> References: <000901c41d53$c63f6130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <40757BB0.8030904@riverdale.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <04040816115406.01885@newguy> many people use independent dhcp server..interesting way to do it though..chuck On Thu, 08 Apr 2004, you wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > | I have 20 SunRay 150 Thin Clients (http://wwws.sun.com/sunray/sunray150/) > | and would like to run them from a K12LTSP Box... > > ~From the archives, it looks like the Sun clients won't work with K12LTSP > because they use a proprietary protocol to boot. > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2002-March/msg00136.html > > Take a look at this though: > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-May/msg00002.html > > ~From that it seems you can get them working provided you have a Solaris > server to bridge the gap between them and your LTSP box. This seems > overly complex to me though...another link in the chain means one more > thing that can break. If you already have a Solaris box to play with I'd > give it a shot, but otherwise I'd try and get some different clients > instead. > > Good luck :) > > - -- > ========================================= > Ben Mabbott, bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us > Riverdale Grade School > http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us > 11733 SW Breyman Ave. Portland, OR 97219 > Phone:(503)636-4511 Fax:(503)635-7534 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAdXuwq4gh1d9lZccRAh8lAJ492V85Lrhgel059ZKYdz+q3SD7QQCfZvGB > R5PIn09Z6qm93D7+AOECDe0= > =j5NV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 8 20:13:36 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:13:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081445630.3228.123.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> <1081445630.3228.123.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <04040816151407.01885@newguy> for that problem we use proframs called newsid or (hell if fogot the name of the other.)..chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 8 20:18:05 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:18:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP help needed In-Reply-To: <61270.170.211.161.223.1081450665.squirrel@170.211.161.223> References: <61270.170.211.161.223.1081450665.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: <04040816193408.01885@newguy> can'r you just copy dhcpd.conf to new machine..star up the new and shut off the old..the leases will build themselves (might not be the same address if you let addresses float but who cares....) From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 8 20:22:52 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:22:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Lab Monitor In-Reply-To: <1081449710.3228.141.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1081449710.3228.141.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <04040816254009.01885@newguy> Anyone familiar enough with x to decipher how to view a terminals running desktop../from another machine?i've played with vncserver vncviewer (to server running vhc via xinetd)..random attempts to forward x....no success From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 9 01:47:44 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:47:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <04040816084103.01885@newguy> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> <04040816084103.01885@newguy> Message-ID: <1081475263.18101.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 15:05, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > hard to get root in a knoppix cd distro.. Errr... there is a menu item under Knoppix called 'root shell'. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 9 04:19:21 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:19:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <4075B824.70301@snet.net> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> < > < > < > <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> < > < > < > <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> < > <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> < > < > <40756A3C.3070504@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <4075B824.70301@snet.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >BUT sound DOES work in KDE...I'm listening to Jerry Garcia on XMMS with >KDE right now! On a terminal? And do you get sound in flash? Remember....we're talking terminals not workstations David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From patmo98 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 9 04:24:00 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:24:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40762560.5060702@yahoo.com> petre at maltzen.net wrote: > The access is open !!! > >archive password: > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > I think that this is a virus, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Apr 9 04:28:31 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:28:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Hi In-Reply-To: <40762560.5060702@yahoo.com> References: <40762560.5060702@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1347.66.138.175.95.1081484911.squirrel@66.138.175.95> Patrick Mohr said: > I think that this is a virus, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Someone tell him what he's won! ;-) -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Apr 9 06:07:39 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 02:07:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081475263.18101.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> <04040816084103.01885@newguy> <1081475263.18101.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <04040902075702.03209@newguy> ok stand corrected..chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Apr 9 06:09:00 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 02:09:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <1081451134.3228.150.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> <4075A069.9020301@gwi.net> <1081451134.3228.150.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <04040902093103.03209@newguy> guess i always did knoppix 2 at boot From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Apr 9 11:19:41 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:19:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Window managers (was: new splash screen for K12ltsp) In-Reply-To: <002c01c41daf$7020da20$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <4075BD07.8020604@maltzen.net> <002c01c41daf$7020da20$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20040409111941.GC17568@wizzy.com> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004, Huck wrote: > Along this line...is there a generally accepted method of figuring out > approximately How much bandwidth is used by each windowsmanager? For > some labs bandwidth might not be an issue and for others I might need > every little bit I can scrounge. > > --Huck > > -----Original Message----- > > What's the difference between IceWM and IceWM Lite? And more > important, where can I find a screenshot of the Lite version? > > Petre I would also very much like some benchmark info on this. There are a number of different LTSP offerings sprouting up in South Africa, but most of them use Gnome or KDE. KDE, as I remember, has an eye-candy-o-meter, but I do not think Gnome does ? Folks mention IceWM - but I find it just a little too bland. Heaven knows what IceWM Lite looks like :-) I use XFCE, but eye candy has increased from XFCE3 to XFCE4. XFCE allows me to put eight big fat application buttons along the bottom, with CDE-style 'drawers' popping up from each for other (similar) apps. XFCE3 was one rpm, xfce4 is a bunch. That is nice, because I skip things like the desktop, and just put down the panel. Is the limit graphics bandwidth, or opening and closing ~/.gconf*/* little files all the time on my IDE disks ? Yes, I know SCSI is better, but schools here are very price conscious, and SCSI is 4x the price. Anyone done any benchmarking they can share ? Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ From penguintiz at yahoo.com Fri Apr 9 12:33:46 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 05:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <20040408183302.B94C5741E9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040409123346.20670.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Jim, One other issue with OS X, OS 9, Samba and netatalk. When a connection is made to the server with netatalk, the resource fork information is stored in a hidden directory. (If I remember correctly it is .appledouble but I am not positive of that. I would need to look it up.) This is created by the netatalk daemon. If an OS X client establishes a connection to the server via samba, then the client is not aware of the resource fork information and the file is unusable. A file saved to the server from an OS X client with a samba connection will store the resource fork information difeerently. The client creates a hidden file (I forget what it is called)on the server with the resource fork info. Netatalk is unaware of these hidden files. Files saved from an OS X client to the server via samba are unusable from a client connected via netatalk. There is a project called baltra to map the 2 file types so that a client can use either type of connection and have the files be usable but I haven't tried it. When I first heard about it, Samba 3 was required and it was a late alpha at that point. If you have your OS X clients use netatalk 1.x, they may need to save to the desktop and then copy to the server by hand. netatalk 2.0 is in its first beta which I belive uses afp 3.0. You could try that for maximum compatability but it is only the first beta. Dave --------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Kronebusch" Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Message-ID: <00ba01c41d94$c95d0b60$1b1b060a at winonacotter.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dave, Thanks for the extra info on AFP version, I didn't know that. We have OSX, OS9, Windows 9x-XP, and Linux clients here. So I will be forced to run Netatalk and Samba. We also need external access from home for teachers and students to the main files server for all platforms so I will also be forced to run FTP (Users could connect via AFP over TCP but that still leaves trouble for Windows users). I have set up netatalk, samba and FTP before. My problem is mostly with if I set up share points in netatalk, how to I mirror the same share points to samba and even FTP if possible? I am thinking that with FTP I may be forced to just settle with them logging into their home folder and calling it good. But I would like local users to see the same directory structure from and client whether using SMB or AFP. I have thought of just dumping users into a /home and letting them traverse to whichever folder they need since they won't have permissions to access folders they aren't supposed to, but this is a cumbersome method and I like to not have users even see folders they don't have access to. On my Windows server with Serv-U as the server I sould set up aliases for each user in FTP for any other directories they had access to, can vsFTP do the same? Ultimately I would like to log in via AFP, SMB, or FTP directly into my /home/user folder by default, then if possible have aliases within that folder to take me directly to any other folder I have priveleges to say /home/publicdrop or /home/teachers/teachername/homeworkdrop. If the previous isn't possible maybe have it where if I log in via AFP I see 3 mount points to choose from, via SMB and FTP three folders to choose from. I am sure I can get these results via AFP but am lost on how to do it with SMB and FTP. I also could just give users multiple usernames and passwords for different types of access but they have enough trouble remembering one :-) Anyway the info you have offered helps, Thanks In the end I am sure I will just realize I am asking for too much :-) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Apr 9 12:42:19 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 06:42:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP yum update causing trouble SOLVED Message-ID: Yes it was/is running. I found it. The xdm-config file was changed :-( DisplayManager.requestPort: 0 Comment '#' back in place and ready to go :-) Thanks Peter -----Original Message----- From: cliebow at downeast.net [mailto:cliebow at downeast.net] Sent: Thu 4/8/2004 2:09 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP yum update causing trouble is xdmcp running??? netstat -anp|grep 177..check out gray screen.html on ltsp.org,,,chuck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I did finally find a copy and get it installed)? Or using Microsoft's Services for Unix (shudder)? That way all the Unix based information would be stored in AD and not have to use a samba/winbind/separate ldap server solution. I've been working at it a bit using 2 howtos off the net, but I haven't had much success yet. Thanks for any help! Henry Burroughs Technology Director hburroughs at hhprep.org Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3296 bytes Desc: not available URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Apr 9 13:48:40 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 08:48:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <00ba01c41d94$c95d0b60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00ba01c41d94$c95d0b60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4076A9B8.3060708@maltzen.net> Be careful with the FTP and allowing teachers & students to access files from home, as you are potentially exposing all sorts of their files to the whole world. Using the normal FTP (port 23) everything including IDs and PWs is passed in cleartext meaning someone could sniff it. I would recommend only allowing access via something that employs ssl, say, ssh or ftp over ssh (port 22). For Windows users, there is FileZilla which is a nice graphical free FTP client that will do its work over SSH. I have my dad use it to send files to my web server. I don't know if there are similar clients for Mac; if not, those users can always use a command line--you just have to post a recipe for the steps on the school's website. Pathetically, Mozilla's Composer does not seem to include a client for posting files to a web server that will work over SSH. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Dave, > Thanks for the extra info on AFP version, I didn't know that. We have > OSX, OS9, Windows 9x-XP, and Linux clients here. So I will be forced to > run Netatalk and Samba. We also need external access from home for > teachers and students to the main files server for all platforms so I > will also be forced to run FTP (Users could connect via AFP over TCP but > that still leaves trouble for Windows users). > > I have set up netatalk, samba and FTP before. My problem is mostly with > if I set up share points in netatalk, how to I mirror the same share > points to samba and even FTP if possible? I am thinking that with FTP I > may be forced to just settle with them logging into their home folder > and calling it good. But I would like local users to see the same > directory structure from and client whether using SMB or AFP. I have > thought of just dumping users into a /home and letting them traverse to > whichever folder they need since they won't have permissions to access > folders they aren't supposed to, but this is a cumbersome method and I > like to not have users even see folders they don't have access to. > > On my Windows server with Serv-U as the server I sould set up aliases > for each user in FTP for any other directories they had access to, can > vsFTP do the same? > > Ultimately I would like to log in via AFP, SMB, or FTP directly into my > /home/user folder by default, then if possible have aliases within that > folder to take me directly to any other folder I have priveleges to say > /home/publicdrop or /home/teachers/teachername/homeworkdrop. > > If the previous isn't possible maybe have it where if I log in via AFP I > see 3 mount points to choose from, via SMB and FTP three folders to > choose from. I am sure I can get these results via AFP but am lost on > how to do it with SMB and FTP. > > I also could just give users multiple usernames and passwords for > different types of access but they have enough trouble remembering one > :-) > > Anyway the info you have offered helps, Thanks > > In the end I am sure I will just realize I am asking for too much :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of David Tisdell > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:13 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP > > > Jim, > Netatalk does a pretty good job of behaving as an > AppleShare server. You can setup multiple shares. If > you are going to run netatalk, you should go to > netatalk.sourceforge.net. There is a mailing list there you can join > which would be beneficial. One thing to be aware of is that netatalk is > still based on AFP 2.0 and OS X uses AFP 3.0. Apple did not write good > backward compatability into OS X. I think their intent was to force > people to upgrade their AppleShareIP server to OS X. You will run into > issues with netatalk and OS X clients. Samba is a better solution if you > have all OS X clients. If you are mixed with OS X and 9 or earlier, I > would use netatalk and train you OS X users to deal with the > idiosyncracies they will run into. If you want more details, I can give > them to you but I need to go now. Dave > ____________________________________________ > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:03:27 -0500 > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with > Netatalk and vsFTP > To: > Message-ID: > <006901c41c01$79194220$1b1b060a at winonacotter.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this > summer. Right > now > if a user logs in via appletalk they get to choose > from multiple share > points. Is this possible with netatalk? Or is it > possible to have > aliases within the users home directory to take them > to other home > directories as long as they have proper permissions to > the other > folders > via group privileges? Can this same setup also be > accessed via FTP as > well? > > Here is a scenario if it helps: > > User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ > Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop > folder located > in > /home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ > > Can this user either: > A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and > /1sthourdrop/ or > B. Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an > alias to > /1sthourdrop/ > > I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes > option to lock > into the users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. > Whatever solution I go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in > from home via FTP on a Windows based system they can traverse > directories in the same fashion. > > Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, > and we are > adding > more Windows machines, when we get to adding Linux > machines they will > be > thin clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect > this configuration > as well. > > I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And > please > straighten > me out if there is a better way to do this. I want to > avoid giving > users more than one username and password. Also > depending on what > activities or courses a student is involved in, this > won't be limited > to > two folders, there may be half a dozen in some cases. > > Thanks > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From barry at yellowdog.com Fri Apr 9 13:56:38 2004 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] > Message-ID: <53934.151.204.59.222.1081518998.squirrel@smail.yellowdog.com> If you have any documentation on using NDS with LTSP I'd love to see it. I've got squid, postfix and courier-imap authenticating to NDS through LDAP ... but haven't gotten the pam authentication to work yet. Many thanks! Barry From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Apr 9 14:17:14 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:17:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Window managers (was: new splash screen for K12ltsp) In-Reply-To: <20040409111941.GC17568@wizzy.com> References: <4075BD07.8020604@maltzen.net> <002c01c41daf$7020da20$1803010a@paasda.org> <20040409111941.GC17568@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <3138.66.138.175.91.1081520234.squirrel@66.138.175.91> Andy Rabagliati said: > ......Folks mention IceWM - but I find it just a little too bland. Heaven > knows what IceWM Lite looks like :-) I think icewm when running without gnome's nautilus interface and all is considered icewm-lite. You can theme the taskbar and such...but that's about it. Yes, it's very bland put next to the others. Not near the customizations, but in a place where you need all the resources you can get and don't need folks to waste time playing with customizing anyway....it's a wonderful thing. ;-) > ....Is the limit graphics bandwidth, or opening and closing ~/.gconf*/* > little files all the time on my IDE disks ? This isn't really a hard disk issue, but rather its bandwidth. Gnome and KDE are a lot prettier and there's a lot more to them. Much more complex than ice so there is a lot more bandwidth consumption. If you want your users to have these goodies....then go with gnome or kde. I use KDE on my workstation. I've been kde addict all my life. KDE has a lot further to go with ltsp compatibility than gnome and icewm though. > Yes, I know SCSI is better, but schools here are very price conscious, > and SCSI is 4x the price. It all depends on how much the drive is gonna be accessed. You could say you need scsi over 15 machines.....but what if the terminals are doing something that rarely requires disk access? With an implementation growing toward the 100 terminals level with openoffice and mozilla....you'd better believe we've got scsi. In this kind of situation.....you can spend 4x the price of ide on scsi or you can pay the price of an ide drive *and* 4x the price when you end up swapping out for a scsi =) > Anyone done any benchmarking they can share ? The crudest terminals to server ration I have had and still work fine is this: SINGLE 1.8ghz xeon with 18gb scsi and 4gb ram with 30 terminals running *CONCURRENTLY* iceWM and mixtures of mozilla, and openoffice. That was our load test....it was a little slow at times but still worked good. We cranked up a few more terminals later during this test and things got really jerky, but never froze up. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From petre at maltzen.net Fri Apr 9 14:37:46 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 09:37:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hi In-Reply-To: <40762560.5060702@yahoo.com> References: <40762560.5060702@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4076B53A.9050508@maltzen.net> Yes it is a virus. Unfortunately, it's not on my machine, even though the message purports to be from me; I say unfortunately because it means I can't fix it. I forget which Windows virus it is, but it spoofs the sender of the message, extracting names/addresses from the infected user's inbox. For the record, the only message that went out of my box on April 8 was two hours after the message below. Petre Patrick Mohr wrote: > petre at maltzen.net wrote: > >> The access is open !!! >> >> archive password: >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > I think that this is a virus, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Apr 9 14:41:17 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:41:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Hi In-Reply-To: <4076B53A.9050508@maltzen.net> References: <40762560.5060702@yahoo.com> <4076B53A.9050508@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <3325.66.138.175.91.1081521677.squirrel@66.138.175.91> Petre Scheie said: > Yes it is a virus. Unfortunately, it's not on my machine, even though the > message purports to be from me; I say unfortunately because it means I can't > fix > it. I forget which Windows virus it is, but it spoofs the sender of the > message, extracting names/addresses from the infected user's inbox. For the > record, the only message that went out of my box on April 8 was two hours > after > the message below. The sender field will be spoofed but you can still look at the email header and find what ip address it originates from. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From kmeyer at blarg.net Fri Apr 9 15:05:48 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:05:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hi In-Reply-To: <3325.66.138.175.91.1081521677.squirrel@66.138.175.91> Message-ID: Will that be the REAL IP, or will it be spoofed as well? Ken Meyer -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 7:41 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hi Petre Scheie said: > Yes it is a virus. Unfortunately, it's not on my machine, even though the > message purports to be from me; I say unfortunately because it means I can't > fix it. I forget which Windows virus it is, but it spoofs the sender of the > message, extracting names/addresses from the infected user's inbox. For the > record, the only message that went out of my box on April 8 was two hours > after the message below. The sender field will be spoofed but you can still look at the email header and find what ip address it originates from. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Apr 9 15:22:39 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 10:22:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Hi In-Reply-To: References: <3325.66.138.175.91.1081521677.squirrel@66.138.175.91> Message-ID: <64376.170.211.161.223.1081524159.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Ken Meyer said: > Will that be the REAL IP, or will it be spoofed as well? No its always the real ip. Headers don't lie there. Not saying it can't be spoofed....but I've never seen it spoofed. It's always been the real deal. That's how we track them down and that's how our stte department tracks them. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From petre at maltzen.net Fri Apr 9 15:25:43 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:25:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4076C077.90509@maltzen.net> The address could be spoofed as well obviously. But just for fun: looking at the header from the message, Received: from pc10 (dhcp-192-203-56.in2cable.com [203.192.203.56]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i38H2kMD029465 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:02:49 -0400 the originating address was 203.192.203.56, which according to whois.geektools.com, belongs to the In2Cable ISP in Mumbai, India, as the header suggests. Petre Ken Meyer wrote: > Will that be the REAL IP, or will it be spoofed as well? > > Ken Meyer > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 7:41 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hi > > Petre Scheie said: > > >>Yes it is a virus. Unfortunately, it's not on my machine, even though the >>message purports to be from me; I say unfortunately because it means I > > can't > >>fix it. I forget which Windows virus it is, but it spoofs the sender of > > the > >>message, extracting names/addresses from the infected user's inbox. For > > the > >>record, the only message that went out of my box on April 8 was two hours >>after the message below. > > > The sender field will be spoofed but you can still look at the email header > and find what ip address it originates from. > -- > > Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA > Technology Coordinator > Fordyce School District > 870.352.2968 > http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From penguintiz at yahoo.com Fri Apr 9 16:31:43 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] > In-Reply-To: <20040409160013.83298733E4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040409163143.92530.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> How did you get squid to authenticat to nds via ldap? I've been trying to do that and haven't gotten anywhere. Thanks. Dave > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:56:38 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Barry Solof" > Subject: [K12OSN] > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > <53934.151.204.59.222.1081518998.squirrel at smail.yellowdog.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > If you have any documentation on using NDS with LTSP > I'd love to see it. > I've got squid, postfix and courier-imap > authenticating to NDS through > LDAP ... but haven't gotten the pam authentication > to work yet. > > Many thanks! > > Barry > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Fri Apr 9 17:41:21 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:41:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] > References: <53934.151.204.59.222.1081518998.squirrel@smail.yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <4076E041.A54B2BDB@coll-outao.qc.ca> Take a look at the K12LTSP wiki pages, i left a document there about Authenticating with NDS (Pam related). Barry Solof a ?crit : > If you have any documentation on using NDS with LTSP I'd love to see it. > I've got squid, postfix and courier-imap authenticating to NDS through > LDAP ... but haven't gotten the pam authentication to work yet. > > Many thanks! > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Apr 9 18:03:47 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 20:03:47 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Window managers (was: new splash screen for K12ltsp) In-Reply-To: <3138.66.138.175.91.1081520234.squirrel@66.138.175.91> Message-ID: <20040409180347.GA19011@wizzy.com> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Andy Rabagliati said: > > > ......Folks mention IceWM - but I find it just a little too bland. Heaven > > knows what IceWM Lite looks like :-) > > I think icewm when running without gnome's nautilus interface and all is > considered icewm-lite. [ ... ] and don't need folks to waste time playing > with customizing anyway....it's a wonderful thing.;-) Then thats what I thought IceWM was .. Customisation == empowerment in many areas :-) It is also a sock-in-the-eye for the old Win98 labs, that need a hands-off attitude to survive the maintenance issues. > In this kind of situation.....you can spend 4x the price of ide on > scsi or you can pay the price of an ide drive *and* 4x the price when you end > up swapping out for a scsi =) > > > Anyone done any benchmarking they can share ? > > The crudest terminals to server ration I have had and still work fine is this: > > SINGLE 1.8ghz xeon with 18gb scsi and 4gb ram with 30 terminals running > *CONCURRENTLY* iceWM and mixtures of mozilla, and openoffice. That was our > load test....it was a little slow at times but still worked good. We cranked > up a few more terminals later during this test and things got really jerky, > but never froze up. openoffice was a resource hog, last time I tried. Recent versions seem better. I only had 1G RAM though. Abiword works well, gnumeric too. 40 users, xfce3, 100Mbit. Make the terminals 10Mbit, takes the stress off the rest of the system :-) Cheers, Andy! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 9 18:18:50 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:18:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] benchmarks and bandwidth Message-ID: <003d01c41e5f$1bde5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> Starting this on a seperate thread, so as not to "hijack" or something. (this is my first listserv experience, and quite helpful I might add) If those of you who operate a k12ltsp environment in a school setting could possibly post real results of what you have in those working environments for those of us trying to convince admins to make the switch. a question I'm running into is: "You are trying to tell me that 1 computer, "(they can't really differentiate between a server and a workstation) "will be able to run applications for this lab of 30 machines doing multimedia applications " "like Cinelerra, The Gimp, or Open Office and web browsing?" and all I can say is "I think so, until I get the go ahead to TRY it and find out" I guess what I need is some tangible evidence. Such as: on server with 4gigs of ram running on scsi with a 800mhz fsb and a 3.0 GHz cpu my server is handling 50 concurrent connections running various programs from TuxMath to The Gimp and everything in between and is at 75% cpu load and 80% memory, and never using swap space... and all clients are running smooth and clean. --Huck =) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Apr 9 19:15:51 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:15:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] benchmarks and bandwidth In-Reply-To: <003d01c41e5f$1bde5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003d01c41e5f$1bde5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4076F667.8000803@maltzen.net> Eight years ago or so, I recall seeing some study that showed that the CPU in most office PCs spent 80-90% of their cycles in an idle state. As I used to explain to people, that's not surprising when you consider how many zillion milli-second cycles occur between each keystroke even as the user types away in a word processor, plus all the time when the user is on the phone, talking to people, etc. People seemed to understand that. Most of those idle cycles were just wasted. They were heavily used when things like the computer was booting, programs were loading, recalculating, etc. but that was a small percent of the time. They understood that, too. That was back in the days of '300mhz screamers'. Fast-forward eight years and in any given second on a PC there are likely to be ten times as many cpu cycles--but people still type at the same speed. Granted, there's more going on in the complexity of the software, but processing words and so on hasn't changed much. But the number of idle cpu cycles has jumped signficantly. What a terminal server does is allow you to use those cycles among several people rather than just 'throw them away'. The idea that everyone needs their own high-power PC is ridiculously wasteful. And when you remind people of what they were doing eight years ago (adults, not kids), they seem to recognize that today's activities are not a whole lot more complex than back then, and perhaps this 'need get new hardware & software' cycle is a bit of a scam. This also explains why, particularly in Unix/Linux, RAM is so much more important than CPU speed. This isn't benchmark data that you can show people, but it does put it in terms they can relate to. Petre Huck wrote: > Starting this on a seperate thread, so as not to "hijack" or something. > (this is my first listserv experience, and quite helpful I might add) > > If those of you who operate a k12ltsp environment in a school setting > could possibly post real results of what you have in those working > environments > for those of us trying to convince admins to make the switch. > > a question I'm running into is: > > "You are trying to tell me that 1 computer, "(they can't really > differentiate between a server and a workstation) > "will be able to run applications for this lab of 30 machines doing > multimedia applications " > "like Cinelerra, The Gimp, or Open Office and web browsing?" > > and all I can say is "I think so, until I get the go ahead to TRY it and > find out" > I guess what I need is some tangible evidence. > > Such as: on server with 4gigs of ram running on scsi with a 800mhz fsb > and a 3.0 GHz cpu > my server is handling 50 concurrent connections running various programs > from TuxMath to The Gimp > and everything in between and is at 75% cpu load and 80% memory, and > never using swap space... > and all clients are running smooth and clean. > > --Huck =) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Apr 9 20:05:25 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:05:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] > In-Reply-To: <53934.151.204.59.222.1081518998.squirrel@smail.yellowdog.com> References: <53934.151.204.59.222.1081518998.squirrel@smail.yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <40770205.1040100@criticalcontrol.com> I just finishing a project exacltly doing that... With a mount of NDS shares etc... Download ncpfs-2.2.4 if you don't have it yet. My pam line (currently) in gdm : auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ncp_auth.so -a -zAX -A -n -d -l -L -u,,pn,gcds -g,,pn ndsserver=LTSPTEST:CC Another good source : http://prope.insa-lyon.fr/~ppollet/netware/ncpfs/pamncp/auth/ I used the pam auth module from there If you need more info contact me off list =pvdw+criticalcontrol+com= Peter Barry Solof wrote: >If you have any documentation on using NDS with LTSP I'd love to see it. >I've got squid, postfix and courier-imap authenticating to NDS through >LDAP ... but haven't gotten the pam authentication to work yet. > >Many thanks! > >Barry > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Apr 9 20:13:16 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:13:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP menu's Message-ID: <407703DC.8060407@criticalcontrol.com> Happy Easter ... Got a problem with the schoolboard requiring different menus (gnome) per group of students. (Example kindergarden kids don't need gnuCash...) Now I have 4 groups, but how do I make gnome's menus aware of this? Another problem is that the following items have to go completely from the main menu: "Sound" "Run Application..." "Preferences" + a few toher I fuzzled around in /usr/share/applications and tweaked a lot of .desktop / .directory files but no luck... :-( How do you guys do that? Thanks Peter From mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk Fri Apr 9 21:26:29 2004 From: mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk (Martin Norman Stevens) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:26:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for page-maker-like app.. In-Reply-To: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <001501c41cf8$112ac7e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1081545989.5743.2.camel@akira> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 00:28, Huck wrote: > Anyone know of a pagemaker-like application for Linux? =) > > Something to teach page layout and design... > Even something as basic a ms-publisher maybe...??? > > --Huck We use Scribus at school a LOT. Mainly our Media class, using it to make magazine layouts and Posters, it has got a lot better over the past year, although when they changed the text entry in february i think it did cause a few problems, used in conjunction with GIMP to create logos our classes have done some really outstanding work. I cant praise scribus highly enough. Martin Stevens From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 9 21:42:16 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Problem Message-ID: <20040409214216.61486.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> I am trying to run my apache 2.0 on LTSP 3.0.1 and I keep getting this error: Starting httpd: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 10.188.4.12:80 no listening sockets available, shutting down. I can acces this web site by typing in 10.188.4.12/index.htm, but I cannot access it by just typing in 10.188.4.12. I am also trying to install PhP, MSCQL, and WebDAV. I am having real problems doing this. Anyone have any suggestions? Thank you for all your help. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 9 21:50:55 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Password timeout Message-ID: <20040409215055.80786.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> I am having a problem of some of my users passwords timing out. Can someone tell me how to fix this problem. I am using LTSP 3.0.1. Thank you for your help. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 9 22:00:35 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:00:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Yerase's TNEF Stream Reader Message-ID: <40771D03.5060707@cfl.rr.com> This would be good if it works well, anyone using it to interoperate and interact with M$ Outlook users? From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri Apr 9 22:36:18 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:36:18 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Hi Message-ID: Petre Scheie wrote: >> The address could be spoofed as well obviously. << It's actually quite difficult to spoof IP addresses for TCP sessions these days, due to the difficulty of predicting the sequence numbers that TCP will use. You can generally depend on the IP address that appears between the square brackets in the Received: line to be correct. >> Received: from pc10 (dhcp-192-203-56.in2cable.com [203.192.203.56]) << So, reading from left to right, we have "pc10", the name the sender claimed in the HELO exchange, "dhcp-192-203-56.in2cable.com", the name obtained by a reverse DNS lookup, and 203.192.203.56, the IP address that was in the IP headers. You can bet the machine belongs to a in2cable customer in India. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Apr 10 02:21:35 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:21:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] benchmarks and bandwidth In-Reply-To: <003d01c41e5f$1bde5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003d01c41e5f$1bde5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40775A2F.2090508@cmosnetworks.com> Here ya go, Huck. The Server: Dual Athlon 1700+ (1.47GHz) 4GB DRAM 80GB IDE hard disk Gig-E fiber NIC (I use a single-NIC installation) The clients (25 of 'em): Pentium-166's (a few Pentium-233's) 3Com 3C905 NIC 32MB DRAM S3 Trio64 video board GNU/Linux will use up every last bit of DRAM that "top" shows that you have; this is by design, and yes, it is a good thing. The reason for this is that the Linux kernel will do a lot of caching to improve performance. I have yet to see less than 1GB DRAM used for caching. CPU usage occasionally jumps up to 100%, but it usually hovers around 10-15% when the kids're all sitting at terminals. The swap isn't even used; perhaps if I added another fifteen or twenty clients, it might start, or if the kids all simultaneously started making giant bitmaps in the GIMP (they don't). The users run either KDE or GNOME, their choice, and they often switch between the two! Note also that I just recently built a second server for my own use, and the server specs above are the same except that the CPUs are 1.2GHz Athlon MPs (Palominos). This is because I found those chips on sale for $35 apiece. My load testing with K12LTSP 3.1.2 shows that this server should be just as good as the one in production. Again, DRAM is the key, followed immediately by Gig-E. CPU power seems to be a-plenty. --TP Huck wrote: > Starting this on a seperate thread, so as not to "hijack" or something. > (this is my first listserv experience, and quite helpful I might add) > > If those of you who operate a k12ltsp environment in a school setting > could possibly post real results of what you have in those working > environments > for those of us trying to convince admins to make the switch. > > a question I'm running into is: > > "You are trying to tell me that 1 computer, "(they can't really > differentiate between a server and a workstation) > "will be able to run applications for this lab of 30 machines doing > multimedia applications " > "like Cinelerra, The Gimp, or Open Office and web browsing?" > > and all I can say is "I think so, until I get the go ahead to TRY it > and find out" > I guess what I need is some tangible evidence. > > Such as: on server with 4gigs of ram running on scsi with a 800mhz > fsb and a 3.0 GHz cpu > my server is handling 50 concurrent connections running various > programs from TuxMath to The Gimp > and everything in between and is at 75% cpu load and 80% memory, and > never using swap space... > and all clients are running smooth and clean. > > --Huck =) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From barry at yellowdog.com Sat Apr 10 02:24:25 2004 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] > Message-ID: <1382.216.178.91.78.1081563865.squirrel@smail.yellowdog.com> >How did you get squid to authenticat to nds via ldap? >I've been trying to do that and haven't gotten >anywhere. Thanks. >Dave It was a matter of luck, mostly. I found a tech doc on setting up LDAP in NDS. Then found one on using squid with LDAP. Unfortunately, the info is at work but I'll send it out on Monday. Its a great howto. Barry From haynest at mchsi.com Sat Apr 10 03:10:59 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:10:59 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Problem Message-ID: <041020040310.19966.ba9@mchsi.com> You aren't running tux are you? > I am trying to run my apache 2.0 on LTSP 3.0.1 and I > keep getting this error: > > Starting httpd: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: > could not bind to address 10.188.4.12:80 no listening > sockets available, shutting down. > > I can acces this web site by typing in > 10.188.4.12/index.htm, but I cannot access it by just > typing in 10.188.4.12. > > I am also trying to install PhP, MSCQL, and WebDAV. I > am having real problems doing this. Anyone have any > suggestions? > > Thank you for all your help. > > Jennifer > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Apr 10 04:03:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:03:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Problem In-Reply-To: <20040409214216.61486.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040409214216.61486.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <407771F5.5050401@cmosnetworks.com> Do a netstat -an and see if anything else is already listening on TCP 80. I used to run into this trying to run ntpdate to set my clock, and I'd get a similar message because ntpd was already running on the same box (ntpdate and ntpd use the same UDP port). After I turned off ntpd, ntpdate started working perfectly. --TP Jennifer Waters wrote: >I am trying to run my apache 2.0 on LTSP 3.0.1 and I >keep getting this error: > >Starting httpd: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: >could not bind to address 10.188.4.12:80 no listening >sockets available, shutting down. > >I can acces this web site by typing in >10.188.4.12/index.htm, but I cannot access it by just >typing in 10.188.4.12. > >I am also trying to install PhP, MSCQL, and WebDAV. I >am having real problems doing this. Anyone have any >suggestions? > >Thank you for all your help. > >Jennifer > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway >http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From bbenson at pps.k12.or.us Sat Apr 10 06:09:36 2004 From: bbenson at pps.k12.or.us (Brian Benson) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 23:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Problem In-Reply-To: <20040409214216.61486.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040409214216.61486.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3105.24.20.143.239.1081577376.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> Hi, Let me try to help. I'm not an expert but it looks like apache is already running if you can't start it but you can access it(or a different instance of apache like another version or something). If apache was installed with an RPM then run `/etc/init.d/apache [start|stop|restart|etc...]`. By the way, what command are you using to attempt to start your server? The second problem seems to be a problem with the "ServerName" directive in httpd.conf which controls mod_dir(Provides for "trailing slash" redirects and serving directory index files). Change it to "ServerName 10.188.4.12" I hope that helps. docs: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#servername mod_dir Provides for "trailing slash" redirects and serving directory index files http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_dir.html -Brian > I am trying to run my apache 2.0 on LTSP 3.0.1 and I > keep getting this error: > > Starting httpd: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: > could not bind to address 10.188.4.12:80 no listening > sockets available, shutting down. > > I can acces this web site by typing in > 10.188.4.12/index.htm, but I cannot access it by just > typing in 10.188.4.12. > > I am also trying to install PhP, MSCQL, and WebDAV. I > am having real problems doing this. Anyone have any > suggestions? > > Thank you for all your help. > > Jennifer > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From andyr at wizzy.com Sat Apr 10 07:42:51 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:42:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Hi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040410074250.GE17568@wizzy.com> On Sat, 10 Apr 2004, Les Bell wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > > >> > The address could be spoofed as well obviously. > << Les, my mail client does not mark your quoting nicely. Can you use regular quoting ? > It's actually quite difficult to spoof IP addresses for TCP sessions these > days, due to the difficulty of predicting the sequence numbers that TCP > will use. You can generally depend on the IP address that appears between > the square brackets in the Received: line to be correct. > > >> > Received: from pc10 (dhcp-192-203-56.in2cable.com [203.192.203.56]) > << Remember, a bunch of spoofed Received: lines often appear before the real one with dedicated spammers. The one at the top is correct, and a certain number down from there, but not necessarily all. Cheers, Andy! From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Apr 10 08:02:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (jim at winonacotter.org) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:02:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <20040409123346.20670.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040409123346.20670.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1081584121.4077a9f90d755@mail.winonacotter.org> Thanks again David. This is excellent info. I have had problems in the past with almost every setup I have used with at least one platform. OSX Server has given me the best tests so far but I refuse to use the overpriced hardware with almost no redundancy and Windows just plain sucks in this area. I'll check out this baltra and see what it is about. Quoting David Tisdell : > Jim, > One other issue with OS X, OS 9, Samba and netatalk. > When a connection is made to the server with netatalk, > the resource fork information is stored in a hidden > directory. (If I remember correctly it is .appledouble > but I am not positive of that. I would need to look it > up.) This is created by the netatalk daemon. If an OS > X client establishes a connection to the server via > samba, then the client is not aware of the resource > fork information and the file is unusable. A file > saved to the server from an OS X client with a samba > connection will store the resource fork information > difeerently. The client creates a hidden file (I > forget what it is called)on the server with the > resource fork info. Netatalk is unaware of these > hidden files. Files saved from an OS X client to the > server via samba are unusable from a client connected > via netatalk. There is a project called baltra to map > the 2 file types so that a client can use either type > of connection and have the files be usable but I > haven't tried it. When I first heard about it, Samba 3 > was required and it was a late alpha at that point. > If you have your OS X clients use netatalk 1.x, they > may need to save to the desktop and then copy to the > server by hand. > netatalk 2.0 is in its first beta which I belive uses > afp 3.0. You could try that for maximum compatability > but it is only the first beta. > Dave > --------------------------------------------- > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points > with Netatalk and > vsFTP > To: "'Support list for opensource software in > schools.'" > > Message-ID: > <00ba01c41d94$c95d0b60$1b1b060a at winonacotter.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dave, > Thanks for the extra info on AFP version, I didn't > know that. We have > OSX, OS9, Windows 9x-XP, and Linux clients here. So I > will be forced > to > run Netatalk and Samba. We also need external access > from home for > teachers and students to the main files server for all > platforms so I > will also be forced to run FTP (Users could connect > via AFP over TCP > but > that still leaves trouble for Windows users). > > I have set up netatalk, samba and FTP before. My > problem is mostly > with > if I set up share points in netatalk, how to I mirror > the same share > points to samba and even FTP if possible? I am > thinking that with FTP > I > may be forced to just settle with them logging into > their home folder > and calling it good. But I would like local users to > see the same > directory structure from and client whether using SMB > or AFP. I have > thought of just dumping users into a /home and letting > them traverse to > whichever folder they need since they won't have > permissions to access > folders they aren't supposed to, but this is a > cumbersome method and I > like to not have users even see folders they don't > have access to. > > On my Windows server with Serv-U as the server I sould > set up aliases > for each user in FTP for any other directories they > had access to, can > vsFTP do the same? > > Ultimately I would like to log in via AFP, SMB, or FTP > directly into my > /home/user folder by default, then if possible have > aliases within that > folder to take me directly to any other folder I have > priveleges to say > /home/publicdrop or > /home/teachers/teachername/homeworkdrop. > > If the previous isn't possible maybe have it where if > I log in via AFP > I > see 3 mount points to choose from, via SMB and FTP > three folders to > choose from. I am sure I can get these results via > AFP but am lost on > how to do it with SMB and FTP. > > I also could just give users multiple usernames and > passwords for > different types of access but they have enough trouble > remembering one > :-) > > Anyway the info you have offered helps, Thanks > > In the end I am sure I will just realize I am asking > for too much :-) > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Apr 10 08:07:30 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (jim at winonacotter.org) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:07:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <4076A9B8.3060708@maltzen.net> References: <00ba01c41d94$c95d0b60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <4076A9B8.3060708@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1081584450.4077ab426559b@mail.winonacotter.org> I here you there. Unfortunately I have often overestimated the users ability to use computers in the past and anything outside the realm of FTP seems to be overwhelming for 80% of students and 95% of teachers, and everyone insists on external access. Everyone has been so spoiled with the ease of Chooser in OS9 in the past that it is tuff to stear them any other direction. But I will definitely note this point in my quest :-) I have even dabbled with a java based file transfer client loaded from a web browser that used secure access and would work from any platform....but the results were too sluggish and buggy. Thanks Quoting Petre Scheie : > Be careful with the FTP and allowing teachers & students to access files from > > home, as you are potentially exposing all sorts of their files to the whole > world. Using the normal FTP (port 23) everything including IDs and PWs is > > passed in cleartext meaning someone could sniff it. I would recommend only > allowing access via something that employs ssl, say, ssh or ftp over ssh > (port > 22). For Windows users, there is FileZilla which is a nice graphical free > FTP > client that will do its work over SSH. I have my dad use it to send files to > my > web server. I don't know if there are similar clients for Mac; if not, those > > users can always use a command line--you just have to post a recipe for the > steps on the school's website. Pathetically, Mozilla's Composer does not > seem > to include a client for posting files to a web server that will work over > SSH. > > Petre > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Dave, > > Thanks for the extra info on AFP version, I didn't know that. We have > > OSX, OS9, Windows 9x-XP, and Linux clients here. So I will be forced to > > run Netatalk and Samba. We also need external access from home for > > teachers and students to the main files server for all platforms so I > > will also be forced to run FTP (Users could connect via AFP over TCP but > > that still leaves trouble for Windows users). > > > > I have set up netatalk, samba and FTP before. My problem is mostly with > > if I set up share points in netatalk, how to I mirror the same share > > points to samba and even FTP if possible? I am thinking that with FTP I > > may be forced to just settle with them logging into their home folder > > and calling it good. But I would like local users to see the same > > directory structure from and client whether using SMB or AFP. I have > > thought of just dumping users into a /home and letting them traverse to > > whichever folder they need since they won't have permissions to access > > folders they aren't supposed to, but this is a cumbersome method and I > > like to not have users even see folders they don't have access to. > > > > On my Windows server with Serv-U as the server I sould set up aliases > > for each user in FTP for any other directories they had access to, can > > vsFTP do the same? > > > > Ultimately I would like to log in via AFP, SMB, or FTP directly into my > > /home/user folder by default, then if possible have aliases within that > > folder to take me directly to any other folder I have priveleges to say > > /home/publicdrop or /home/teachers/teachername/homeworkdrop. > > > > If the previous isn't possible maybe have it where if I log in via AFP I > > see 3 mount points to choose from, via SMB and FTP three folders to > > choose from. I am sure I can get these results via AFP but am lost on > > how to do it with SMB and FTP. > > > > I also could just give users multiple usernames and passwords for > > different types of access but they have enough trouble remembering one > > :-) > > > > Anyway the info you have offered helps, Thanks > > > > In the end I am sure I will just realize I am asking for too much :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf Of David Tisdell > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:13 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP > > > > > > Jim, > > Netatalk does a pretty good job of behaving as an > > AppleShare server. You can setup multiple shares. If > > you are going to run netatalk, you should go to > > netatalk.sourceforge.net. There is a mailing list there you can join > > which would be beneficial. One thing to be aware of is that netatalk is > > still based on AFP 2.0 and OS X uses AFP 3.0. Apple did not write good > > backward compatability into OS X. I think their intent was to force > > people to upgrade their AppleShareIP server to OS X. You will run into > > issues with netatalk and OS X clients. Samba is a better solution if you > > have all OS X clients. If you are mixed with OS X and 9 or earlier, I > > would use netatalk and train you OS X users to deal with the > > idiosyncracies they will run into. If you want more details, I can give > > them to you but I need to go now. Dave > > ____________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:03:27 -0500 > > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > > Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with > > Netatalk and vsFTP > > To: > > Message-ID: > > <006901c41c01$79194220$1b1b060a at winonacotter.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this > > summer. Right > > now > > if a user logs in via appletalk they get to choose > > from multiple share > > points. Is this possible with netatalk? Or is it > > possible to have > > aliases within the users home directory to take them > > to other home > > directories as long as they have proper permissions to > > the other > > folders > > via group privileges? Can this same setup also be > > accessed via FTP as > > well? > > > > Here is a scenario if it helps: > > > > User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ > > Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop > > folder located > > in > > /home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ > > > > Can this user either: > > A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and > > /1sthourdrop/ or > > B. Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an > > alias to > > /1sthourdrop/ > > > > I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes > > option to lock > > into the users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. > > Whatever solution I go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in > > from home via FTP on a Windows based system they can traverse > > directories in the same fashion. > > > > Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, > > and we are > > adding > > more Windows machines, when we get to adding Linux > > machines they will > > be > > thin clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect > > this configuration > > as well. > > > > I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And > > please > > straighten > > me out if there is a better way to do this. I want to > > avoid giving > > users more than one username and password. Also > > depending on what > > activities or courses a student is involved in, this > > won't be limited > > to > > two folders, there may be half a dozen in some cases. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Apr 10 08:09:47 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (jim at winonacotter.org) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:09:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081584587.4077abcb36f76@mail.winonacotter.org> Every followup I have done in regards to viruses of this type hitting my mail servers has proved that the IP's are legit and only the From field is spoofed. So trace away :-) Quoting Ken Meyer : > Will that be the REAL IP, or will it be spoofed as well? > > Ken Meyer > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 7:41 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hi > > Petre Scheie said: > > > Yes it is a virus. Unfortunately, it's not on my machine, even though the > > message purports to be from me; I say unfortunately because it means I > can't > > fix it. I forget which Windows virus it is, but it spoofs the sender of > the > > message, extracting names/addresses from the infected user's inbox. For > the > > record, the only message that went out of my box on April 8 was two hours > > after the message below. > > The sender field will be spoofed but you can still look at the email header > and find what ip address it originates from. > -- > > Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA > Technology Coordinator > Fordyce School District > 870.352.2968 > http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Apr 10 08:26:09 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (jim at winonacotter.org) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:26:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Problem In-Reply-To: <3105.24.20.143.239.1081577376.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> References: <20040409214216.61486.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> <3105.24.20.143.239.1081577376.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1081585569.4077afa106223@mail.winonacotter.org> I second that you must already have some other version of apache running if you cannot start but can access it. Also your not accessing index.html problem may mean that you are missing the DirectoryIndex index.html directive in either your main config section or your virtual host section. You may also want to post your httpd.conf for review for more detailed help. The file can be fairly criptic to a new user but someone with a lot of experience could probably find an error pretty quick. Quoting Brian Benson : > Hi, > > Let me try to help. I'm not an expert but it looks like apache is already > running if you can't start it but you can access it(or a different instance > of apache like another version or something). If apache was installed with > an RPM then run `/etc/init.d/apache [start|stop|restart|etc...]`. By the > way, what command are you using to attempt to start your server? The second > problem seems to be a problem with the "ServerName" directive in httpd.conf > which controls mod_dir(Provides for "trailing slash" redirects and serving > directory index files). Change it to "ServerName 10.188.4.12" I hope that > helps. > > docs: > http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#servername > > mod_dir > Provides for "trailing slash" redirects and serving directory index files > http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_dir.html > > -Brian > > > > > > I am trying to run my apache 2.0 on LTSP 3.0.1 and I > > keep getting this error: > > > > Starting httpd: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: > > could not bind to address 10.188.4.12:80 no listening > > sockets available, shutting down. > > > > I can acces this web site by typing in > > 10.188.4.12/index.htm, but I cannot access it by just > > typing in 10.188.4.12. > > > > I am also trying to install PhP, MSCQL, and WebDAV. I > > am having real problems doing this. Anyone have any > > suggestions? > > > > Thank you for all your help. > > > > Jennifer > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Sat Apr 10 13:07:41 2004 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:07:41 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] 64bit computing and LTSP In-Reply-To: <40759879.90609@riverdale.k12.or.us> References: <20040408162235.7248.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> <40759879.90609@riverdale.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1081602461.4077f19d8aede@tclcommunications.co.nz> > unfortunately. The major difference is in the amount of memory that the > CPU can address. With a 32bit CPU, it's 4GB. With 64bit, the theoretical > max is 18 million terabytes. Quite a jump :) > > Take a look at this article if you really want to get into the nitty > gritty: http://www.arstechnica.com/cpu/03q1/x86-64/x86-64-1.html > > Obviously there aren't any platforms that can support anywhere near that > amount of RAM today. But on a 64bit platform you can fill all your DIMM > slots with 4GB sticks and the CPU will be able to use all of it, which > means you can have just about everything cached. Where that really makes > a difference today is in large databases, but an LTSP server can benefit > too. The ability to have just about every app on the server cached will > make things nice and speedy...until you hit the next bottleneck that is :) LTSP on a 64 bit-dual/quad Opteron with 16G ram/32G ram could be the "killer application" that the AMD was built for.? > If you already have a server, I wouldn't run out and replace it with a > 64bit setup just yet. Most of the benefit is down the road. Anyone in > the market for a new server should probably take a long look at an > Opteron setup though. probably cost comparable with great potential From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat Apr 10 13:38:59 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:38:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Problem In-Reply-To: <1081585569.4077afa106223@mail.winonacotter.org> References: <20040409214216.61486.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> <3105.24.20.143.239.1081577376.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> <1081585569.4077afa106223@mail.winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4077F8F3.70509@gwi.net> As root find out what program is using port 80 (http): netstat -atp|grep http The t restricts results to tcp since we really only care about tcp port 80. And the p displays the program using each port. Mine returns: tcp 0 0 *:http *:* LISTEN 3098/httpd tcp 0 0 *:https *:* LISTEN 3098/httpd Meaning that pid 3098 program httpd is listening on http and https ports. You can also easily check whether a service is running: service httpd status httpd (pid 3108 3107 3106 3105 3104 3103 3102 3101 3098) is running... -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat Apr 10 14:03:08 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:03:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Password timeout In-Reply-To: <20040409215055.80786.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040409215055.80786.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4077FE9C.5090709@gwi.net> Jennifer Waters wrote: >I am having a problem of some of my users passwords >timing out. Can someone tell me how to fix this >problem. I am using LTSP 3.0.1. > >Thank you for your help. > >Jennifer > > When you say timing out, do you mean that account login is disabled until you set a new password? If so what does 'passwd -S someuser' produce (substituting one of those users for somuser)? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat Apr 10 14:12:18 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:12:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <1081584450.4077ab426559b@mail.winonacotter.org> References: <00ba01c41d94$c95d0b60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <4076A9B8.3060708@maltzen.net> <1081584450.4077ab426559b@mail.winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <407800C2.4000407@gwi.net> jim at winonacotter.org wrote: >I here you there. Unfortunately I have often overestimated the users ability to >use computers in the past and anything outside the realm of FTP seems to be >overwhelming for 80% of students and 95% of teachers, and everyone insists on >external access. Everyone has been so spoiled with the ease of Chooser in OS9 >in the past that it is tuff to stear them any other direction. But I will >definitely note this point in my quest :-) I have even dabbled with a java > > Sftp comes with ssh and is an ftp-like server/client paradigm. There are clients which support sftp such as MacSFTP. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From bbenson at pps.k12.or.us Sat Apr 10 16:15:41 2004 From: bbenson at pps.k12.or.us (Brian Benson) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <407800C2.4000407@gwi.net> References: <407800C2.4000407@gwi.net> Message-ID: <3521.24.20.143.239.1081613741.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> WinSCP is a fantastic sftp/scp client for windows that will give you an ftp like look and feel. Very good for basic users. http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/ -Brian > jim at winonacotter.org wrote: > >>I here you there. Unfortunately I have often overestimated the users >>ability to use computers in the past and anything outside the realm of >>FTP seems to be overwhelming for 80% of students and 95% of teachers, >>and everyone insists on external access. Everyone has been so spoiled >>with the ease of Chooser in OS9 in the past that it is tuff to stear >>them any other direction. But I will definitely note this point in my >>quest :-) I have even dabbled with a java >> >> > Sftp comes with ssh and is an ftp-like server/client paradigm. There > are clients which support sftp such as MacSFTP. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net > Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Sat Apr 10 16:25:40 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:25:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <3521.24.20.143.239.1081613741.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> References: <407800C2.4000407@gwi.net> <3521.24.20.143.239.1081613741.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <40782004.1010106@cfl.rr.com> Another one I like is FileZilla: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=21558 Brian Benson wrote: > WinSCP is a fantastic sftp/scp client > for windows that will give you an ftp > like look and feel. Very good for > basic users. > > http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/ > > -Brian > > >>jim at winonacotter.org wrote: >> >> >>>I here you there. Unfortunately I > > have often overestimated the users > >>>ability to use computers in the past > > and anything outside the realm of > >>>FTP seems to be overwhelming for 80% > > of students and 95% of teachers, > >>>and everyone insists on external > > access. Everyone has been so spoiled > >>>with the ease of Chooser in OS9 in > > the past that it is tuff to stear > >>>them any other direction. But I > > will definitely note this point in my > >>>quest :-) I have even dabbled with > > a java > >>> >>Sftp comes with ssh and is an > > ftp-like server/client paradigm. There > >>are clients which support sftp such > > as MacSFTP. > >>-- >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > >> "Spend less! Do more! Go Open > > Source..." -- Dirigo.net > >> Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Sat Apr 10 17:59:06 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:59:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble getting default gnome panel upon new user creation and login Message-ID: <407835EA.50800@cfl.rr.com> I get the following errors when I log into a newly created user account in K12LTSP 4.0.1. I can then create a panel, but I would much rather have the default panel and menu in the gnome desktop available to me like the one that root shows when I log into it. Anyone seen this problem? Do I need to copy or link the files listed in the error below to each users home directory? I hope not. I want this to install and work without this error ever showing up. Interested in all feedback from anyone who's actually seen this problem. Failed: Failed: Could not stat `/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/profiles/default/1.59126e-314conf.xml': Permission denied Failed: Failed: Could not stat `/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/default_setup/-1.55116conf.xml': Permission denied Failed: Failed: Could not stat `/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/panel/general/-1.55116conf.xml': Permission denied Failed: Failed: Could not stat `/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/profiles/default/toplevels/1.59126e-314conf.xml': Permission denied Failed: Failed: Could not stat `/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/panel/toplevels/-1.55107conf.xml': Permission denied From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Apr 10 20:17:43 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: 10 Apr 2004 16:17:43 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:26, Shawn Powers wrote: > snip > I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 classrooms per > building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit connections internally. The 2 big > directions I'm looking at would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher > gets a new white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom > LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students (much like the > original case study Paul Nelson put up several years back). If the student > management system won't work under Wine -- that teacher computer would have > to run win4lin or some such solution. Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server with rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you will be able to conqueror this application requirement. -- Thanks, John Hansknecht One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There are approx 30 classrooms per >>building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit connections internally. The 2 big >>directions I'm looking at would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher >>gets a new white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom >>LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students (much like the >>original case study Paul Nelson put up several years back). If the student >>management system won't work under Wine -- that teacher computer would have >>to run win4lin or some such solution. >> >> > >Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server with >rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you will be >able to conqueror this application requirement. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Apr 10 20:50:08 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:50:08 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40785E00.60102@netscape.net> Ooops that's a P-III & just for clarification we're using K12LTSP with diskless client, from each client we launch a rdesktop session. thks again norbert bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone setup rdesktop with linux on 20 + workstations ? (With > Win2K) and what specs are needed for the Win2K server to handle the load. > We've setup a P-II 500 Mhz with 512mb ram and can barely launch 3 > connections. The response is incrediblly SLOW.... > > thanks for the input > > norbert > > jhansknecht at hanstech.com wrote: > >>On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:26, Shawn Powers wrote: >> >> >> >>>snip >>>I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 classrooms per >>>building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit connections internally. The 2 big >>>directions I'm looking at would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher >>>gets a new white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom >>>LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students (much like the >>>original case study Paul Nelson put up several years back). If the student >>>management system won't work under Wine -- that teacher computer would have >>>to run win4lin or some such solution. >>> >>> >> >>Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server with >>rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you will be >>able to conqueror this application requirement. >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 10 21:51:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:51:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Yerase's TNEF Stream Reader In-Reply-To: <40771D03.5060707@cfl.rr.com> References: <40771D03.5060707@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1081633881.24542.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 17:00, Brian Chase wrote: > This would be good if it works well, anyone using it to interoperate and > interact with M$ Outlook users? > > I've just installed it with the tnefclean wrapper from http://www.dread.net/~striker/tnefclean/ running as a filter from procmail. So far it looks like meeting requests work but the first attempts at task requests have not. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 10 22:04:34 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:04:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Drive copy utils... Linux Mobile Lab In-Reply-To: <04040902093103.03209@newguy> References: <1081444481.18458.4.camel@Jughead> <4075A069.9020301@gwi.net> <1081451134.3228.150.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <04040902093103.03209@newguy> Message-ID: <1081634673.24542.31.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 01:09, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > guess i always did knoppix 2 at boot That's what you need if you want to start a remote X desktop, but for rescue work where you will be copying various things over the network it is handy to let X start locally and open several root terminal windows. You can use one to do the real work and the others to ssh into other machines to find the files you need and perhaps read the notes you kept about how to install them. Saving a copy of the output from 'fdisk -l' is always a good idea if you plan to reconstruct manually. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Apr 10 22:19:03 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:19:03 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <40785E00.60102@netscape.net> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> <40785E00.60102@netscape.net> Message-ID: <407872D7.3030304@cmosnetworks.com> That's one of the major problems with Windows Terminal Server; the underlying platform's just not efficient. The RDP protocol used with it is reasonably efficient, but the server itself gets S-L-O-W very quickly. I never did more than five on a dual-PIII, 900MHz, 1GB DRAM box w/ Ultra3-SCSI RAID, back when I was running Windows networks, for performance reasons; with any more, the CPUs kept pegging, and the memory subsystem kept almost continuously swapping to disk. As it was, there was plenty of swapping, and the CPUs were heavily used. We also had stability issues with user applications (e. g. Microsoft Office). We ended up using Terminal Services only for us sysadmins and making everyone run MS Office on their desktops again. Boy, did we learn! If for some reason you have to do this for twenty clients on one server, then I'd recommend going for, at a minimum, a four processor box, with max GHz (currently we're talking either Xeon 3.2GHz's or Opteron 2.2GHz's (that's the 848 model, BTW). Also, better have no less than 4GB DRAM, and more is definitely not overkill. --TP norbert wrote: > Ooops that's a P-III & just for clarification we're using K12LTSP with > diskless client, from each client we launch a rdesktop session. > > thks again > norbert > > bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Has anyone setup rdesktop with linux on 20 + workstations ? (With >> Win2K) and what specs are needed for the Win2K server to handle the load. >> We've setup a P-II 500 Mhz with 512mb ram and can barely launch 3 >> connections. The response is incrediblly SLOW.... >> >> thanks for the input >> >> norbert >> >> jhansknecht at hanstech.com wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:26, Shawn Powers wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>snip >>>>I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 classrooms per >>>>building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit connections internally. The 2 big >>>>directions I'm looking at would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher >>>>gets a new white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom >>>>LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students (much like the >>>>original case study Paul Nelson put up several years back). If the student >>>>management system won't work under Wine -- that teacher computer would have >>>>to run win4lin or some such solution. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server with >>>rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you will be >>>able to conqueror this application requirement. >>> >>> From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Sat Apr 10 22:27:51 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:27:51 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <407872D7.3030304@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> <40785E00.60102@netscape.net> <407872D7.3030304@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <407874E7.1070209@cfl.rr.com> This must be why Citrix is so successful, because the native WTS does such a poor job of it. What I can't figure out is why you took your whole office staff back to Microsoft when OpenOffice has been out for several years now. Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > That's one of the major problems with Windows Terminal Server; the > underlying platform's just not efficient. The RDP protocol used with it > is reasonably efficient, but the server itself gets S-L-O-W very > quickly. I never did more than five on a dual-PIII, 900MHz, 1GB DRAM > box w/ Ultra3-SCSI RAID, back when I was running Windows networks, for > performance reasons; with any more, the CPUs kept pegging, and the > memory subsystem kept almost continuously swapping to disk. As it was, > there was plenty of swapping, and the CPUs were heavily used. We also > had stability issues with user applications (e. g. Microsoft Office). > We ended up using Terminal Services only for us sysadmins and making > everyone run MS Office on their desktops again. Boy, did we learn! > > If for some reason you have to do this for twenty clients on one server, > then I'd recommend going for, at a minimum, a four processor box, with > max GHz (currently we're talking either Xeon 3.2GHz's or Opteron > 2.2GHz's (that's the 848 model, BTW). Also, better have no less than > 4GB DRAM, and more is definitely not overkill. > > --TP > > norbert wrote: > >> Ooops that's a P-III & just for clarification we're using K12LTSP with >> diskless client, from each client we launch a rdesktop session. >> >> thks again >> norbert >> >> bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Has anyone setup rdesktop with linux on 20 + workstations ? (With >>> Win2K) and what specs are needed for the Win2K server to handle the >>> load. >>> We've setup a P-II 500 Mhz with 512mb ram and can barely launch 3 >>> connections. The response is incrediblly SLOW.... >>> >>> thanks for the input >>> >>> norbert >>> >>> jhansknecht at hanstech.com wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:26, Shawn Powers wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> snip >>>>> I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 >>>>> classrooms per building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit >>>>> connections internally. The 2 big directions I'm looking at would >>>>> be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher gets a new white-box >>>>> Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom LTSP server to >>>>> 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students (much like the >>>>> original case study Paul Nelson put up several years back). If the >>>>> student management system won't work under Wine -- that teacher >>>>> computer would have to run win4lin or some such solution. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server with >>>> rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you will be >>>> able to conqueror this application requirement. >>>> >>>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Apr 10 22:42:42 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:42:42 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <407874E7.1070209@cfl.rr.com> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> <40785E00.60102@netscape.net> <407872D7.3030304@cmosnetworks.com> <407874E7.1070209@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <40787862.7070701@cmosnetworks.com> It wasn't my choice, unfortunately. Back then I worked for not just a Microsoft shop, but a totally rabid Microsoft shop. The very notion of running anything that was Free Software was total anathema to this company. They basically subscribed to the notion that, "if it *can* run on NT/2000, it *will* run on NT/2000." Actually putting OpenOffice.org on anybody's computer might well have gotten me fired, even if the user had specifically asked for it, unless it had been a major partner (wasn't gonna happen). So, to answer your question, we never took them off of Microsoft in the first place. We simply made them run their apps locally again. That does bring to mind a question, though: Norbert, can you tell us why you need to run twenty client sessions on a Windows Terminal Server? Would folks not be better suited by a K12LTSP server? --TP Brian Chase wrote: > This must be why Citrix is so successful, because the native WTS does > such a poor job of it. What I can't figure out is why you took your > whole office staff back to Microsoft when OpenOffice has been out for > several years now. > > Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > >> That's one of the major problems with Windows Terminal Server; the >> underlying platform's just not efficient. The RDP protocol used with >> it is reasonably efficient, but the server itself gets S-L-O-W very >> quickly. I never did more than five on a dual-PIII, 900MHz, 1GB DRAM >> box w/ Ultra3-SCSI RAID, back when I was running Windows networks, >> for performance reasons; with any more, the CPUs kept pegging, and >> the memory subsystem kept almost continuously swapping to disk. As >> it was, there was plenty of swapping, and the CPUs were heavily >> used. We also had stability issues with user applications (e. g. >> Microsoft Office). We ended up using Terminal Services only for us >> sysadmins and making everyone run MS Office on their desktops again. >> Boy, did we learn! >> >> If for some reason you have to do this for twenty clients on one >> server, then I'd recommend going for, at a minimum, a four processor >> box, with max GHz (currently we're talking either Xeon 3.2GHz's or >> Opteron 2.2GHz's (that's the 848 model, BTW). Also, better have no >> less than 4GB DRAM, and more is definitely not overkill. >> >> --TP >> >> norbert wrote: >> >>> Ooops that's a P-III & just for clarification we're using K12LTSP >>> with diskless client, from each client we launch a rdesktop session. >>> >>> thks again >>> norbert >>> >>> bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Has anyone setup rdesktop with linux on 20 + workstations ? (With >>>> Win2K) and what specs are needed for the Win2K server to handle the >>>> load. >>>> We've setup a P-II 500 Mhz with 512mb ram and can barely launch 3 >>>> connections. The response is incrediblly SLOW.... >>>> >>>> thanks for the input >>>> >>>> norbert >>>> >>>> jhansknecht at hanstech.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:26, Shawn Powers wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> snip >>>>>> I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 >>>>>> classrooms per building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit >>>>>> connections internally. The 2 big directions I'm looking at >>>>>> would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher gets a new >>>>>> white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom >>>>>> LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students >>>>>> (much like the original case study Paul Nelson put up several >>>>>> years back). If the student management system won't work under >>>>>> Wine -- that teacher computer would have to run win4lin or some >>>>>> such solution. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server with >>>>> rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you >>>>> will be >>>>> able to conqueror this application requirement. >>>>> >>>>> From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Apr 11 01:27:37 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:27:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lab monitor -got he keys to the empire References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net><40785E00.60102@netscape.net> <407872D7.3030304@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000b01c41f64$2db5db20$fe0a0a0a@CLIEBOW> i think we have the keys for the lab monitor today..just need to compile x11vnc within the lbe. Also have terminals and any thing else running vnc to get a login via vncviewer..........last step is allowing java enabled webrowsers to connect securely to ltsp..which has been done by derek dresser already.. credits due to Mistik1 rjune jammcq on #ltsp..(seems like i am missing someone) for correcting myriad errors .chuck From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Apr 10 23:23:13 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:23:13 +0000 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) Message-ID: <041020042323.17540.407881E1000D49B7000044842200762302FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> We (NCS) have been using Win2K TS this year fairly successfully to run up to 30-40 client connections with rdesktop. However, the performance seems to depend on the application being used. e.g.30+ sessions of Type to Learn run very well, but launch just 4 or 5 instances of Eclass Grades( Winschool) and it can bring the server to a halt. In fact, each Eclass session uses a full 'cpu'. I have never tried to track down exactly why. Server specs: Dual 2.4 Xeons with 4Gb memory, dual Gb NICs. SCSI RAID 1 15K rpm drives. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Hi, Has anyone setup rdesktop with linux on 20 + workstations ? (With Win2K) and what specs are needed for the Win2K server to handle the load. We've setup a P-II 500 Mhz with 512mb ram and can barely launch 3 connections. The response is incrediblly SLOW.... thanks for the input norbert jhansknecht at hanstech.com wrote: On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:26, Shawn Powers wrote: snip I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 classrooms per building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit connections internally. The 2 big directions I'm looking at would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher gets a new white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students (much like the original case study Paul Nelson put up several years back). If the student management system won't work under Wine -- that teacher computer would have to run win4lin or some such solution. Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server with rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you will be able to conqueror this application requirement. From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Sat Apr 10 23:53:39 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:53:39 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Hi Message-ID: Andy Rabagliati wrote: >> Les, my mail client does not mark your quoting nicely. Can you use regular quoting ? << I can't, sorry. >> Remember, a bunch of spoofed Received: lines often appear before the real one with dedicated spammers. The one at the top is correct, and a certain number down from there, but not necessarily all. << The spoofed Received: lines will be before in time, but after on the screen, if you get what I mean. The discontinuity in the path of the email is not always obvious, which is why it's handy to use tools like Spamcop (http://www.spamcop.net) to process the headers - it does a pretty fair job of matching each line with the one below and spotting where the spoofed lines start. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Sun Apr 11 02:49:14 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:49:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <041020042323.17540.407881E1000D49B7000044842200762302FF8C9196948F9097 9E@comcast.net> References: <041020042323.17540.407881E1000D49B7000044842200762302FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1232.66.138.175.89.1081651754.squirrel@66.138.175.89> Not from experience, but I *have* heard that WTS has improved drastically with win2k3 server. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Sun Apr 11 04:46:20 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:46:20 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <041020042323.17540.407881E1000D49B7000044842200762302FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> References: <041020042323.17540.407881E1000D49B7000044842200762302FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4078CD9C.3000302@chartermi.net> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > 30+ sessions of Type to Learn run very well, but launch just 4 or 5 > instances of Eclass Grades( Winschool) and it can bring the server to > a halt. In fact, each Eclass session uses a full 'cpu'. I have > never tried to track down exactly why. > Sincerely, Dave Hopkins According to Chancery, it's "normal" for the winschool administrative console, and eclass grades and attendence to take a 100% of a cpu's resources. It's "supposed" to release resources as needed for other processes, but I'm sure it's not taking into account running on a terminal server. Either way, I'm not happy seeing my P4/2.2Ghz machines pegged at 100% of the cpu all the time. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Apr 11 14:31:01 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:31:01 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <40787862.7070701@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> <40785E00.60102@netscape.net> <407872D7.3030304@cmosnetworks.com> <407874E7.1070209@cfl.rr.com> <40787862.7070701@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <407956A5.8080008@netscape.net> Hi Terrell, Thanks for the response. To answer why the twenty + client on terminal server, well it isn't by choice ! The school board has some applications that are a must and these only work with IE. I've tried; Crossoveroffice - it doesn't cut it for the applications they need ! Win4lin - is limited to Win 9x & is too expensive VMware - I have not been able to get more than a couple of thin clients running with it & costs !!! The applications are Edusystems, Kidpix (no Tuxpaint is not acceptable) & FirstClass (the linux local client works well but there is no server version yet. Now the final "kink" in this problem is that there are non-profit organisations that give Win2K server & CAL licenses for free to educational institutions, so this is giving preference to a M$ solution as long as these apps cannot run with browsers on linux. If you have any suggestions to avoid using M$ please let me know ! thanks norbert microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > It wasn't my choice, unfortunately. Back then I worked for not just a > Microsoft shop, but a totally rabid Microsoft shop. The very notion > of running anything that was Free Software was total anathema to this > company. They basically subscribed to the notion that, "if it *can* > run on NT/2000, it *will* run on NT/2000." Actually putting > OpenOffice.org on anybody's computer might well have gotten me fired, > even if the user had specifically asked for it, unless it had been a > major partner (wasn't gonna happen). > > So, to answer your question, we never took them off of Microsoft in > the first place. We simply made them run their apps locally again. > > That does bring to mind a question, though: Norbert, can you tell us > why you need to run twenty client sessions on a Windows Terminal > Server? Would folks not be better suited by a K12LTSP server? > > --TP > > Brian Chase wrote: > >> This must be why Citrix is so successful, because the native WTS does >> such a poor job of it. What I can't figure out is why you took your >> whole office staff back to Microsoft when OpenOffice has been out for >> several years now. >> >> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >> >>> That's one of the major problems with Windows Terminal Server; the >>> underlying platform's just not efficient. The RDP protocol used >>> with it is reasonably efficient, but the server itself gets S-L-O-W >>> very quickly. I never did more than five on a dual-PIII, 900MHz, >>> 1GB DRAM box w/ Ultra3-SCSI RAID, back when I was running Windows >>> networks, for performance reasons; with any more, the CPUs kept >>> pegging, and the memory subsystem kept almost continuously swapping >>> to disk. As it was, there was plenty of swapping, and the CPUs were >>> heavily used. We also had stability issues with user applications >>> (e. g. Microsoft Office). We ended up using Terminal Services only >>> for us sysadmins and making everyone run MS Office on their desktops >>> again. Boy, did we learn! >>> >>> If for some reason you have to do this for twenty clients on one >>> server, then I'd recommend going for, at a minimum, a four processor >>> box, with max GHz (currently we're talking either Xeon 3.2GHz's or >>> Opteron 2.2GHz's (that's the 848 model, BTW). Also, better have no >>> less than 4GB DRAM, and more is definitely not overkill. >>> >>> --TP >>> >>> norbert wrote: >>> >>>> Ooops that's a P-III & just for clarification we're using K12LTSP >>>> with diskless client, from each client we launch a rdesktop session. >>>> >>>> thks again >>>> norbert >>>> >>>> bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone setup rdesktop with linux on 20 + workstations ? (With >>>>> Win2K) and what specs are needed for the Win2K server to handle >>>>> the load. >>>>> We've setup a P-II 500 Mhz with 512mb ram and can barely launch 3 >>>>> connections. The response is incrediblly SLOW.... >>>>> >>>>> thanks for the input >>>>> >>>>> norbert >>>>> >>>>> jhansknecht at hanstech.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:26, Shawn Powers wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> snip >>>>>>> I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 >>>>>>> classrooms per building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit >>>>>>> connections internally. The 2 big directions I'm looking at >>>>>>> would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher gets a new >>>>>>> white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom >>>>>>> LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students >>>>>>> (much like the original case study Paul Nelson put up several >>>>>>> years back). If the student management system won't work under >>>>>>> Wine -- that teacher computer would have to run win4lin or some >>>>>>> such solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server with >>>>>> rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you >>>>>> will be >>>>>> able to conqueror this application requirement. >>>>>> >>>>>> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Apr 11 18:21:02 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:21:02 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <407956A5.8080008@netscape.net> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> <40785E00.60102@netscape.net> <407872D7.3030304@cmosnetworks.com> <407874E7.1070209@cfl.rr.com> <40787862.7070701@cmosnetworks.com> <407956A5.8080008@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40798C8E.8010904@cmosnetworks.com> Sounds to me like your school board is like my school board--they just don't seem to care about actual, positive change with regard to IT and saving money. Thus, depending on your local laws, the only real effector of change may be legal, and one guy going up against the entire legal team of the school district, while certainly possible, is a tough thing to do. Matter of fact, the state of Virginia seems to directly back this Microsoft preference; I'm told that the state's SOL (Standards of Learning) exams require MS Internet Explorer 5.5 or later and will not work w/ Netscape or any other browser. That said, there may be an applicable statute that says no vendor preferences. Unfortunately there isn't one where I am, but there may be where you are. Also, there may be statutes that say all economic backgrounds must be included in all facets of school instruction, be it in the classroom, homework, or otherwise. Windows and MS Office, as we know, cost a bundle. "Poor" kids aren't going to be able to get those--legally--w/o major sacrifices. By contrast, you can get a decently equipped LindowsOS PC for $299 (the 128MB DRAM, 20GB HD versions are $199), and that, of course, includes OO.o and everything else. Both approaches, unfortunately, involve taking on the school board in a legal sense. For most people, I wouldn't recommend doing that without backing from the likes of, say, the ACLU. I myself am in fact stubborn enough to do such a thing, except that I have a very good friend whose position I need to protect, and that's the only thing stopping me at this point--personal loyalty to my friend. I think that the solution is that we, as citizens, need to push for Free and Open Source Software, especially during election years, with hard numbers to back up our claims. That means writing your Congressmen, attending Town Hall meetings, and generally doing that stuff that grassroots lobbyists do to get their laws pushed through. There is no easy answer to this one; it'll take work. --TP norbert wrote: > Hi Terrell, > > Thanks for the response. To answer why the twenty + client on terminal > server, well it isn't by choice ! The school board has some > applications that are a must and these *only work with IE*. I've tried; > Crossoveroffice - it doesn't cut it for the applications they need ! > Win4lin - is limited to Win 9x & is too expensive > VMware - I have not been able to get more than a couple of thin > clients running with it & costs !!! > > The applications are Edusystems, Kidpix (no Tuxpaint is not > acceptable) & FirstClass (the linux local client works well but there > is no server version yet. > > Now the final "kink" in this problem is that there are non-profit > organisations that give Win2K server & CAL licenses for *free* to > educational institutions, so this is giving preference to a M$ > solution as long as these apps cannot run with browsers on linux. > > If you have *any* suggestions to avoid using M$ please let me know ! > > thanks > norbert > > microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > >> It wasn't my choice, unfortunately. Back then I worked for not just >> a Microsoft shop, but a totally rabid Microsoft shop. The very >> notion of running anything that was Free Software was total anathema >> to this company. They basically subscribed to the notion that, "if >> it *can* run on NT/2000, it *will* run on NT/2000." Actually putting >> OpenOffice.org on anybody's computer might well have gotten me fired, >> even if the user had specifically asked for it, unless it had been a >> major partner (wasn't gonna happen). >> >> So, to answer your question, we never took them off of Microsoft in >> the first place. We simply made them run their apps locally again. >> >> That does bring to mind a question, though: Norbert, can you tell us >> why you need to run twenty client sessions on a Windows Terminal >> Server? Would folks not be better suited by a K12LTSP server? >> >> --TP >> >> Brian Chase wrote: >> >>> This must be why Citrix is so successful, because the native WTS >>> does such a poor job of it. What I can't figure out is why you took >>> your whole office staff back to Microsoft when OpenOffice has been >>> out for several years now. >>> >>> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >>> >>>> That's one of the major problems with Windows Terminal Server; the >>>> underlying platform's just not efficient. The RDP protocol used >>>> with it is reasonably efficient, but the server itself gets S-L-O-W >>>> very quickly. I never did more than five on a dual-PIII, 900MHz, >>>> 1GB DRAM box w/ Ultra3-SCSI RAID, back when I was running Windows >>>> networks, for performance reasons; with any more, the CPUs kept >>>> pegging, and the memory subsystem kept almost continuously swapping >>>> to disk. As it was, there was plenty of swapping, and the CPUs >>>> were heavily used. We also had stability issues with user >>>> applications (e. g. Microsoft Office). We ended up using Terminal >>>> Services only for us sysadmins and making everyone run MS Office on >>>> their desktops again. Boy, did we learn! >>>> >>>> If for some reason you have to do this for twenty clients on one >>>> server, then I'd recommend going for, at a minimum, a four >>>> processor box, with max GHz (currently we're talking either Xeon >>>> 3.2GHz's or Opteron 2.2GHz's (that's the 848 model, BTW). Also, >>>> better have no less than 4GB DRAM, and more is definitely not >>>> overkill. >>>> >>>> --TP >>>> >>>> norbert wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ooops that's a P-III & just for clarification we're using K12LTSP >>>>> with diskless client, from each client we launch a rdesktop session. >>>>> >>>>> thks again >>>>> norbert >>>>> >>>>> bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone setup rdesktop with linux on 20 + workstations ? (With >>>>>> Win2K) and what specs are needed for the Win2K server to handle >>>>>> the load. >>>>>> We've setup a P-II 500 Mhz with 512mb ram and can barely launch 3 >>>>>> connections. The response is incrediblly SLOW.... >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks for the input >>>>>> >>>>>> norbert >>>>>> >>>>>> jhansknecht at hanstech.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:26, Shawn Powers wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>> I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 >>>>>>>> classrooms per building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit >>>>>>>> connections internally. The 2 big directions I'm looking at >>>>>>>> would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher gets a new >>>>>>>> white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom >>>>>>>> LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students >>>>>>>> (much like the original case study Paul Nelson put up several >>>>>>>> years back). If the student management system won't work under >>>>>>>> Wine -- that teacher computer would have to run win4lin or some >>>>>>>> such solution. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server with >>>>>>> rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you >>>>>>> will be >>>>>>> able to conqueror this application requirement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Apr 11 19:51:02 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:51:02 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <40798C8E.8010904@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> <40785E00.60102@netscape.net> <407872D7.3030304@cmosnetworks.com> <407874E7.1070209@cfl.rr.com> <40787862.7070701@cmosnetworks.com> <407956A5.8080008@netscape.net> <40798C8E.8010904@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4079A1A6.6000501@netscape.net> Hi Terrell, Well, here in Canada, we do not have any such statutes. The Govt, in collusion, with the School Boards determines what's best for those poor innocent students !!!!! and of course what could be better than being formed into a nice safe mould such as M$ !. That all said we have not been passive ( see www.xtlabs.org <- my company & www.mille.ca - only in French but the gist is that Govt with certain School Boards are actually looking to validate Linux (OpenSource) from a pedagogical point of view, thereby giving small upstart companies like mine an actual chance at making a difference. This is why we have taken on the approach of "combining" M$ with K12LTSP as a first migration step. Once the schools & boards get a "taste" of Open Source the may be more willing to consider it versus the "proprietary" alternatives Last point that has me really up in arms and slowing introducing to the media is that the boards are more concerned with maintaining unionised M$ administrator jobs than increasing the number of computers available for the kids and availing more applications and teaching tools for the teachers. Clearly unionised jobs take precedence over the education of kids !!!! norbert microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > Sounds to me like your school board is like my school board--they just > don't seem to care about actual, positive change with regard to IT and > saving money. Thus, depending on your local laws, the only real > effector of change may be legal, and one guy going up against the > entire legal team of the school district, while certainly possible, is > a tough thing to do. Matter of fact, the state of Virginia seems to > directly back this Microsoft preference; I'm told that the state's SOL > (Standards of Learning) exams require MS Internet Explorer 5.5 or > later and will not work w/ Netscape or any other browser. > > That said, there may be an applicable statute that says no vendor > preferences. Unfortunately there isn't one where I am, but there may > be where you are. Also, there may be statutes that say all economic > backgrounds must be included in all facets of school instruction, be > it in the classroom, homework, or otherwise. Windows and MS Office, > as we know, cost a bundle. "Poor" kids aren't going to be able to get > those--legally--w/o major sacrifices. By contrast, you can get a > decently equipped LindowsOS PC for $299 (the 128MB DRAM, 20GB HD > versions are $199), and that, of course, includes OO.o and everything > else. > > Both approaches, unfortunately, involve taking on the school board in > a legal sense. For most people, I wouldn't recommend doing that > without backing from the likes of, say, the ACLU. I myself am in fact > stubborn enough to do such a thing, except that I have a very good > friend whose position I need to protect, and that's the only thing > stopping me at this point--personal loyalty to my friend. I think > that the solution is that we, as citizens, need to push for Free and > Open Source Software, especially during election years, with hard > numbers to back up our claims. That means writing your Congressmen, > attending Town Hall meetings, and generally doing that stuff that > grassroots lobbyists do to get their laws pushed through. There is no > easy answer to this one; it'll take work. > > --TP > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi Terrell, >> >> Thanks for the response. To answer why the twenty + client on >> terminal server, well it isn't by choice ! The school board has some >> applications that are a must and these *only work with IE*. I've tried; >> Crossoveroffice - it doesn't cut it for the applications they need ! >> Win4lin - is limited to Win 9x & is too expensive >> VMware - I have not been able to get more than a couple of thin >> clients running with it & costs !!! >> >> The applications are Edusystems, Kidpix (no Tuxpaint is not >> acceptable) & FirstClass (the linux local client works well but there >> is no server version yet. >> >> Now the final "kink" in this problem is that there are non-profit >> organisations that give Win2K server & CAL licenses for *free* to >> educational institutions, so this is giving preference to a M$ >> solution as long as these apps cannot run with browsers on linux. >> >> If you have *any* suggestions to avoid using M$ please let me know ! >> >> thanks >> norbert >> >> microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: >> >>> It wasn't my choice, unfortunately. Back then I worked for not just >>> a Microsoft shop, but a totally rabid Microsoft shop. The very >>> notion of running anything that was Free Software was total anathema >>> to this company. They basically subscribed to the notion that, "if >>> it *can* run on NT/2000, it *will* run on NT/2000." Actually >>> putting OpenOffice.org on anybody's computer might well have gotten >>> me fired, even if the user had specifically asked for it, unless it >>> had been a major partner (wasn't gonna happen). >>> >>> So, to answer your question, we never took them off of Microsoft in >>> the first place. We simply made them run their apps locally again. >>> >>> That does bring to mind a question, though: Norbert, can you tell >>> us why you need to run twenty client sessions on a Windows Terminal >>> Server? Would folks not be better suited by a K12LTSP server? >>> >>> --TP >>> >>> Brian Chase wrote: >>> >>>> This must be why Citrix is so successful, because the native WTS >>>> does such a poor job of it. What I can't figure out is why you >>>> took your whole office staff back to Microsoft when OpenOffice has >>>> been out for several years now. >>>> >>>> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's one of the major problems with Windows Terminal Server; the >>>>> underlying platform's just not efficient. The RDP protocol used >>>>> with it is reasonably efficient, but the server itself gets >>>>> S-L-O-W very quickly. I never did more than five on a dual-PIII, >>>>> 900MHz, 1GB DRAM box w/ Ultra3-SCSI RAID, back when I was running >>>>> Windows networks, for performance reasons; with any more, the CPUs >>>>> kept pegging, and the memory subsystem kept almost continuously >>>>> swapping to disk. As it was, there was plenty of swapping, and >>>>> the CPUs were heavily used. We also had stability issues with >>>>> user applications (e. g. Microsoft Office). We ended up using >>>>> Terminal Services only for us sysadmins and making everyone run MS >>>>> Office on their desktops again. Boy, did we learn! >>>>> >>>>> If for some reason you have to do this for twenty clients on one >>>>> server, then I'd recommend going for, at a minimum, a four >>>>> processor box, with max GHz (currently we're talking either Xeon >>>>> 3.2GHz's or Opteron 2.2GHz's (that's the 848 model, BTW). Also, >>>>> better have no less than 4GB DRAM, and more is definitely not >>>>> overkill. >>>>> >>>>> --TP >>>>> >>>>> norbert wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ooops that's a P-III & just for clarification we're using K12LTSP >>>>>> with diskless client, from each client we launch a rdesktop session. >>>>>> >>>>>> thks again >>>>>> norbert >>>>>> >>>>>> bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anyone setup rdesktop with linux on 20 + workstations ? >>>>>>> (With Win2K) and what specs are needed for the Win2K server to >>>>>>> handle the load. >>>>>>> We've setup a P-II 500 Mhz with 512mb ram and can barely launch >>>>>>> 3 connections. The response is incrediblly SLOW.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks for the input >>>>>>> >>>>>>> norbert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jhansknecht at hanstech.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:26, Shawn Powers wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>>> I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx >>>>>>>>> 30 classrooms per building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit >>>>>>>>> connections internally. The 2 big directions I'm looking at >>>>>>>>> would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher gets a new >>>>>>>>> white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom >>>>>>>>> LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students >>>>>>>>> (much like the original case study Paul Nelson put up several >>>>>>>>> years back). If the student management system won't work >>>>>>>>> under Wine -- that teacher computer would have to run win4lin >>>>>>>>> or some such solution. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you >>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>> able to conqueror this application requirement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 11 20:14:33 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Another FC2 test build Message-ID: I just uploaded another alpha-quality build of K12LTSP based on Fedora Core 2 test 2. While this build *should* work out of the box, it still needs a lot of work & testing. Please do not use this on a production system. The fancy new SELinux security model still does not work with NFS. Since K12LTSP requires NFS, this test build defaults to disabling SELinux. With FC2 test 3, I'll make this easier to download. In the mean- time, I hope the pain of downloading the whole thing will keep this just to the people who *really* want to give it a spin ;-) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/distributions/ISO/fedora/ -Eric From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Mon Apr 12 04:04:23 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 00:04:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] gimp can't find default font - won't start In-Reply-To: References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> < > < > < > <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> < > < > < > <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> < > <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> < > < > <40756A3C.3070504@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <4075B824.70301@snet.net> Message-ID: <407A1547.9080003@snet.net> Well, I dled a number of fonts and had them working in OOo and KWord. I then added them to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts (in a new dir called truetype) did ttmkfdir, xset rehash and added them to the font path with chkfontpath. Then, I tried to start the gimp to see if they were, indeed, now usable in the Gimp, as I had suspected/hoped they would be. Well, the Gimp wouldn't start at all. I tried to start it from terminal and got: GTK-Error: ** Unable to find default font. aborting... So, I went back and removed the fonts and directory from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts, redid xfd restart reset the fontpath by doing /usr/sbin/chkfontpath -r /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype (basically undid all the changes I had done.) and tried to start Gimp again. I still get the same msg, can't find default font. I can't seem to figure out where the config that tells it where to find what font for default is. I can't help but think that if I could find that and edit it, I might be back in business. All the same, I can't imagine what damage I did to cause it to have lost it's default font. Next to a web browser, Gimp is probably the most used application on my machine (just look at photodharma.com or how much stuff I now have up on kdelook.org). Getting the gimp up and running again is very important to me. Can anyone help me or point me in the right direction? Please! I'll be your best friend! tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Mon Apr 12 05:38:11 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 01:38:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] gimp can't find default font - won't start In-Reply-To: <407A1547.9080003@snet.net> References: <000001c41bfc$805b6b80$1803010a@paasda.org> < > < > < > <4072F32E.4030305@maltzen.net> < > < > < > <4073790A.9050005@snet.net> < > <4074706B.2040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> < > < > <40756A3C.3070504@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <4075B824.70301@snet.net> <407A1547.9080003@snet.net> Message-ID: <407A2B43.3040908@snet.net> anthony baldwin wrote: > Well, > I dled a number of fonts and had them working in OOo and KWord. > I then added them to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts (in a new dir called > truetype) did ttmkfdir, xset rehash and added them to the font path with > chkfontpath. > Then, I tried to start the gimp to see if they were, indeed, now usable > in the Gimp, as I had suspected/hoped they would be. > Well, the Gimp wouldn't start at all. > I tried to start it from terminal and got: > GTK-Error: ** Unable to find default font. > aborting... > > So, I went back and removed the fonts and directory from > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts, redid xfd restart reset the fontpath by doing > /usr/sbin/chkfontpath -r /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype > (basically undid all the changes I had done.) > and tried to start Gimp again. > I still get the same msg, can't find default font. > I can't seem to figure out where the config that tells it where to find > what font for default is. I can't help but think that if I could find > that and edit it, I might be back in business. > All the same, I can't imagine what damage I did to cause it to have lost > it's default font. > Next to a web browser, Gimp is probably the most used application on my > machine (just look at photodharma.com or how much stuff I now have up on > kdelook.org). Getting the gimp up and running again is very important > to me. > Can anyone help me or point me in the right direction? > Please! I'll be your best friend! > > tony > Just to let you all know... I logged out of X and tried to log back in and the whole Xserver seems to have been hosed due to my changes to xfs or something. I ended up rebooting and finding that I had problems with the file system. I did fsck and got her back up and running as though nothing ever happened, including gimp usage back to normal. (Had some help from roguedaemon on #redhat at freenode). Of course, I've not succeeded in adding any fonts to the Gimp. I've added fonts to every KDE component and to OOo, but can't seem to figure out how to get them into the Gimp... Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From petre at maltzen.net Mon Apr 12 07:39:08 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (petre at maltzen.net) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:39:08 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Incoming message Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rumpgsmndf.bmp Type: image/bmp Size: 4134 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Document.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 21738 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Apr 12 11:52:43 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:52:43 +0000 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) Message-ID: <041220041152.10675.407A830B0001D5B3000029B32200762302FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Eric, Thanks. I wish Chancery would just make a decent package that uses what it needs and lets the OS do its job. Just one more reason I really, really do not like the Winschool product. Unfortunately, NCS doesn't have a viable option for getting rid of this package just yet. And now I get to call the school to troubeshoot why comments on the report cards didn't transfer over correctly (again). Hello Monday. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > > 30+ sessions of Type to Learn run very well, but launch just 4 or 5 > > instances of Eclass Grades( Winschool) and it can bring the server to > > a halt. In fact, each Eclass session uses a full 'cpu'. I have > > never tried to track down exactly why. > > Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > > According to Chancery, it's "normal" for the winschool administrative > console, and eclass grades and attendence to take a 100% of a cpu's > resources. It's "supposed" to release resources as needed for other > processes, but I'm sure it's not taking into account running on a > terminal server. > > Either way, I'm not happy seeing my P4/2.2Ghz machines pegged at 100% of > the cpu all the time. > > -- > Eric Feldhusen > Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, > Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools > > email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Apr 12 13:00:36 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:00:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <4075B824.70301@snet.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > > > Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > > David Trask wrote: > > > >> The sacrifice with KDE at the moment is sound...to my knowledge....in > >> K12LTSP terminal environment sound only works with Gnome and IceWM. > >> AFAIK > >> > >> ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us writes: > >> > >>> Nice photo. Did you take it? Very nice touch (the red hat with the > >>> b/w child). I'm curious, does KDE eat up any more/less bandwidth > >>> than gnome? I've only used the default gnome destkop and am playing > >>> with the idea of IceWM and KDE, etc.. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> David N. Trask > >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >> Vassalboro Community School > >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > >> (207)923-3100 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > > > Aha! Thanks David. That's becoming a more important point for my > > school. We are increasingly visiting starfall.com with our younger > > students. This is a great site for phonics, but it uses flash player > > and we MUST have sound for it. So it looks like KDE is out for me. Thanks! > > > > BUT sound DOES work in KDE...I'm listening to Jerry Garcia on XMMS with > KDE right now! > > But does sound work from a TERMINAL with KDE? I know itmworks fine from the server in LTSP. -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From petre at maltzen.net Mon Apr 12 13:59:08 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:59:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <1081584450.4077ab426559b@mail.winonacotter.org> References: <00ba01c41d94$c95d0b60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <4076A9B8.3060708@maltzen.net> <1081584450.4077ab426559b@mail.winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <407AA0AC.6030201@maltzen.net> For a free graphical sftp client for Mac OSX, try fugu: http://rsug.itd.umich.edu/software/fugu/ or CyberDuck: http://icu.unizh.ch/~dkocher/cyberduck/ Here's a commercial sftp client for Mac OS9 ($25): http://pro.wanadoo.fr/chombier/MacSFTP/SFTP_info.html I found the OS9 client via a page at Brandeis University, which mentions that they have a site-license for MacSFTP; so perhaps the maker of MacSFTP would give you a price break for a site license since the use is for education. That's just a guess. Here's another commercial sftp client for OS9: http://www.panic.com/transmit/ They have what appears to be a crippled free download. Then you can make a webpage with copies of the client(s) for users to download, and some instructions with lots of screenshots on how to install and connect. (I had to do this same sort of things years ago to walk users through using a command line ftp client; I still got some phone calls asking for help, but most of the time just giving people a link to the instruction page was all that was necessary.) Petre jim at winonacotter.org wrote: > I here you there. Unfortunately I have often overestimated the users ability to > use computers in the past and anything outside the realm of FTP seems to be > overwhelming for 80% of students and 95% of teachers, and everyone insists on > external access. Everyone has been so spoiled with the ease of Chooser in OS9 > in the past that it is tuff to stear them any other direction. But I will > definitely note this point in my quest :-) I have even dabbled with a java > based file transfer client loaded from a web browser that used secure access > and would work from any platform....but the results were too sluggish and > buggy. > > Thanks > > Quoting Petre Scheie : > > >>Be careful with the FTP and allowing teachers & students to access files from >> >>home, as you are potentially exposing all sorts of their files to the whole >>world. Using the normal FTP (port 23) everything including IDs and PWs is >> >>passed in cleartext meaning someone could sniff it. I would recommend only >>allowing access via something that employs ssl, say, ssh or ftp over ssh >>(port >>22). For Windows users, there is FileZilla which is a nice graphical free >>FTP >>client that will do its work over SSH. I have my dad use it to send files to >>my >>web server. I don't know if there are similar clients for Mac; if not, those >> >>users can always use a command line--you just have to post a recipe for the >>steps on the school's website. Pathetically, Mozilla's Composer does not >>seem >>to include a client for posting files to a web server that will work over >>SSH. >> >>Petre >> >>Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >>>Dave, >>>Thanks for the extra info on AFP version, I didn't know that. We have >>>OSX, OS9, Windows 9x-XP, and Linux clients here. So I will be forced to >>>run Netatalk and Samba. We also need external access from home for >>>teachers and students to the main files server for all platforms so I >>>will also be forced to run FTP (Users could connect via AFP over TCP but >>>that still leaves trouble for Windows users). >>> >>>I have set up netatalk, samba and FTP before. My problem is mostly with >>>if I set up share points in netatalk, how to I mirror the same share >>>points to samba and even FTP if possible? I am thinking that with FTP I >>>may be forced to just settle with them logging into their home folder >>>and calling it good. But I would like local users to see the same >>>directory structure from and client whether using SMB or AFP. I have >>>thought of just dumping users into a /home and letting them traverse to >>>whichever folder they need since they won't have permissions to access >>>folders they aren't supposed to, but this is a cumbersome method and I >>>like to not have users even see folders they don't have access to. >>> >>>On my Windows server with Serv-U as the server I sould set up aliases >>>for each user in FTP for any other directories they had access to, can >>>vsFTP do the same? >>> >>>Ultimately I would like to log in via AFP, SMB, or FTP directly into my >>>/home/user folder by default, then if possible have aliases within that >>>folder to take me directly to any other folder I have priveleges to say >>>/home/publicdrop or /home/teachers/teachername/homeworkdrop. >>> >>>If the previous isn't possible maybe have it where if I log in via AFP I >>>see 3 mount points to choose from, via SMB and FTP three folders to >>>choose from. I am sure I can get these results via AFP but am lost on >>>how to do it with SMB and FTP. >>> >>>I also could just give users multiple usernames and passwords for >>>different types of access but they have enough trouble remembering one >>>:-) >>> >>>Anyway the info you have offered helps, Thanks >>> >>>In the end I am sure I will just realize I am asking for too much :-) >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>>Behalf Of David Tisdell >>>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:13 PM >>>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP >>> >>> >>>Jim, >>>Netatalk does a pretty good job of behaving as an >>>AppleShare server. You can setup multiple shares. If >>>you are going to run netatalk, you should go to >>>netatalk.sourceforge.net. There is a mailing list there you can join >>>which would be beneficial. One thing to be aware of is that netatalk is >>>still based on AFP 2.0 and OS X uses AFP 3.0. Apple did not write good >>>backward compatability into OS X. I think their intent was to force >>>people to upgrade their AppleShareIP server to OS X. You will run into >>>issues with netatalk and OS X clients. Samba is a better solution if you >>>have all OS X clients. If you are mixed with OS X and 9 or earlier, I >>>would use netatalk and train you OS X users to deal with the >>>idiosyncracies they will run into. If you want more details, I can give >>>them to you but I need to go now. Dave >>>____________________________________________ >>>Message: 4 >>>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:03:27 -0500 >>>From: "Jim Kronebusch" >>>Subject: [K12OSN] View Multiple share points with >>>Netatalk and vsFTP >>>To: >>>Message-ID: >>><006901c41c01$79194220$1b1b060a at winonacotter.org> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>>I will be migrating our main fileserver to linux this >>>summer. Right >>>now >>>if a user logs in via appletalk they get to choose >>>from multiple share >>>points. Is this possible with netatalk? Or is it >>>possible to have >>>aliases within the users home directory to take them >>>to other home >>>directories as long as they have proper permissions to >>>the other >>>folders >>>via group privileges? Can this same setup also be >>>accessed via FTP as >>>well? >>> >>>Here is a scenario if it helps: >>> >>>User X logs in and is taken to their /home/usrXfolder/ >>>Now user X wants to drop files into a teacher Y's drop >>>folder located >>>in >>>/home/teacherYfolder/1sthourdrop/ >>> >>>Can this user either: >>>A. See 2 share points on login /usrXfolder/ and >>>/1sthourdrop/ or >>>B. Dump directly into their /usrXfolder/ and see an >>>alias to >>>/1sthourdrop/ >>> >>>I currently have vsFTP set with chroot_local_user=yes >>>option to lock >>>into the users /home/user directory to keep them from wandering. >>>Whatever solution I go with I want to be sure that if a user logs in >>>from home via FTP on a Windows based system they can traverse >>>directories in the same fashion. >>> >>>Also the majority of our computers here are Macintosh, >>>and we are >>>adding >>>more Windows machines, when we get to adding Linux >>>machines they will >>>be >>>thin clients. So I guess Samba will need to reflect >>>this configuration >>>as well. >>> >>>I hope this makes some sort of sense to everyone. And >>>please >>>straighten >>>me out if there is a better way to do this. I want to >>>avoid giving >>>users more than one username and password. Also >>>depending on what >>>activities or courses a student is involved in, this >>>won't be limited >>>to >>>two folders, there may be half a dozen in some cases. >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway >>>http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Apr 12 14:29:35 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:29:35 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <407956A5.8080008@netscape.net> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> <40785E00.60102@netscape.net> <407872D7.3030304@cmosnetworks.com> <407874E7.1070209@cfl.rr.com> <40787862.7070701@cmosnetworks.com> <407956A5.8080008@netscape.net> Message-ID: <407AA7CF.6020904@maltzen.net> You mentioned that the applications only work with IE, and CrossOver Office didn't 'cut it'. Could you elaborate on the problem(s) with that configuration? I'm in a somewhat analogous situation, in that my company's internal webservers are all IIS and the people who code the apps for them like to write to MS standards rather than W3C standards, such that several things on the websites won't work with anything but IE. I've had CrossOver Office 2.x installed for the past year, but the experience has been disappointing: Favorites wouldn't save, nor would passwords, javascript wouldn't run properly, etc. *However*, I recently got an alpha version of CX Office 3.x that fixed all the above problems with IE. The big problem app for me was the ticket tracking system at our help desk. Under the new version of CXO, everything worked like a champ. So, you might inquire with CodeWeavers about testing IE under their development version to see if it would work with your apps. Petre norbert wrote: > Hi Terrell, > > Thanks for the response. To answer why the twenty + client on terminal > server, well it isn't by choice ! The school board has some applications > that are a must and these *only work with IE*. I've tried; > Crossoveroffice - it doesn't cut it for the applications they need ! > Win4lin - is limited to Win 9x & is too expensive > VMware - I have not been able to get more than a couple of thin clients > running with it & costs !!! > > The applications are Edusystems, Kidpix (no Tuxpaint is not acceptable) > & FirstClass (the linux local client works well but there is no server > version yet. > > Now the final "kink" in this problem is that there are non-profit > organisations that give Win2K server & CAL licenses for *free* to > educational institutions, so this is giving preference to a M$ solution > as long as these apps cannot run with browsers on linux. > > If you have *any* suggestions to avoid using M$ please let me know ! > > thanks > norbert > > microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > >> It wasn't my choice, unfortunately. Back then I worked for not just a >> Microsoft shop, but a totally rabid Microsoft shop. The very notion >> of running anything that was Free Software was total anathema to this >> company. They basically subscribed to the notion that, "if it *can* >> run on NT/2000, it *will* run on NT/2000." Actually putting >> OpenOffice.org on anybody's computer might well have gotten me fired, >> even if the user had specifically asked for it, unless it had been a >> major partner (wasn't gonna happen). >> >> So, to answer your question, we never took them off of Microsoft in >> the first place. We simply made them run their apps locally again. >> >> That does bring to mind a question, though: Norbert, can you tell us >> why you need to run twenty client sessions on a Windows Terminal >> Server? Would folks not be better suited by a K12LTSP server? >> >> --TP >> >> Brian Chase wrote: >> >>> This must be why Citrix is so successful, because the native WTS does >>> such a poor job of it. What I can't figure out is why you took your >>> whole office staff back to Microsoft when OpenOffice has been out for >>> several years now. >>> >>> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >>> >>>> That's one of the major problems with Windows Terminal Server; the >>>> underlying platform's just not efficient. The RDP protocol used >>>> with it is reasonably efficient, but the server itself gets S-L-O-W >>>> very quickly. I never did more than five on a dual-PIII, 900MHz, >>>> 1GB DRAM box w/ Ultra3-SCSI RAID, back when I was running Windows >>>> networks, for performance reasons; with any more, the CPUs kept >>>> pegging, and the memory subsystem kept almost continuously swapping >>>> to disk. As it was, there was plenty of swapping, and the CPUs were >>>> heavily used. We also had stability issues with user applications >>>> (e. g. Microsoft Office). We ended up using Terminal Services only >>>> for us sysadmins and making everyone run MS Office on their desktops >>>> again. Boy, did we learn! >>>> >>>> If for some reason you have to do this for twenty clients on one >>>> server, then I'd recommend going for, at a minimum, a four processor >>>> box, with max GHz (currently we're talking either Xeon 3.2GHz's or >>>> Opteron 2.2GHz's (that's the 848 model, BTW). Also, better have no >>>> less than 4GB DRAM, and more is definitely not overkill. >>>> >>>> --TP >>>> >>>> norbert wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ooops that's a P-III & just for clarification we're using K12LTSP >>>>> with diskless client, from each client we launch a rdesktop session. >>>>> >>>>> thks again >>>>> norbert >>>>> >>>>> bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone setup rdesktop with linux on 20 + workstations ? (With >>>>>> Win2K) and what specs are needed for the Win2K server to handle >>>>>> the load. >>>>>> We've setup a P-II 500 Mhz with 512mb ram and can barely launch 3 >>>>>> connections. The response is incrediblly SLOW.... >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks for the input >>>>>> >>>>>> norbert >>>>>> >>>>>> jhansknecht at hanstech.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:26, Shawn Powers wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>> I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx 30 >>>>>>>> classrooms per building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit >>>>>>>> connections internally. The 2 big directions I'm looking at >>>>>>>> would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher gets a new >>>>>>>> white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom >>>>>>>> LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students >>>>>>>> (much like the original case study Paul Nelson put up several >>>>>>>> years back). If the student management system won't work under >>>>>>>> Wine -- that teacher computer would have to run win4lin or some >>>>>>>> such solution. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server with >>>>>>> rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you >>>>>>> will be >>>>>>> able to conqueror this application requirement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From patmo98 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 14:45:35 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:45:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Incoming message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407AAB8F.2050404@yahoo.com> Is there any reason we don't set the list to block the following extensions (exe|scr|zip|vbs|bat|lnk). It might be that people use these extensions or that there is no way to block them. It could be that I am missing something. From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Apr 12 15:23:57 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:23:57 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <407AA7CF.6020904@maltzen.net> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> <40785E00.60102@netscape.net> <407872D7.3030304@cmosnetworks.com> <407874E7.1070209@cfl.rr.com> <40787862.7070701@cmosnetworks.com> <407956A5.8080008@netscape.net> <407AA7CF.6020904@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <407AB48D.3010106@netscape.net> Hi Petre, Thanks for the info the last versions of CCO only supported IE 5.5 and the Javascript did not work at all for anumber of menus. I will give it a try. norbert petre at maltzen.net wrote: > You mentioned that the applications only work with IE, and CrossOver > Office didn't 'cut it'. Could you elaborate on the problem(s) with > that configuration? I'm in a somewhat analogous situation, in that my > company's internal webservers are all IIS and the people who code the > apps for them like to write to MS standards rather than W3C standards, > such that several things on the websites won't work with anything but > IE. I've had CrossOver Office 2.x installed for the past year, but > the experience has been disappointing: Favorites wouldn't save, nor > would passwords, javascript wouldn't run properly, etc. > > *However*, I recently got an alpha version of CX Office 3.x that fixed > all the above problems with IE. The big problem app for me was the > ticket tracking system at our help desk. Under the new version of > CXO, everything worked like a champ. So, you might inquire with > CodeWeavers about testing IE under their development version to see if > it would work with your apps. > > Petre > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi Terrell, >> >> Thanks for the response. To answer why the twenty + client on >> terminal server, well it isn't by choice ! The school board has some >> applications that are a must and these *only work with IE*. I've tried; >> Crossoveroffice - it doesn't cut it for the applications they need ! >> Win4lin - is limited to Win 9x & is too expensive >> VMware - I have not been able to get more than a couple of thin >> clients running with it & costs !!! >> >> The applications are Edusystems, Kidpix (no Tuxpaint is not >> acceptable) & FirstClass (the linux local client works well but there >> is no server version yet. >> >> Now the final "kink" in this problem is that there are non-profit >> organisations that give Win2K server & CAL licenses for *free* to >> educational institutions, so this is giving preference to a M$ >> solution as long as these apps cannot run with browsers on linux. >> >> If you have *any* suggestions to avoid using M$ please let me know ! >> >> thanks >> norbert >> >> microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: >> >>> It wasn't my choice, unfortunately. Back then I worked for not just >>> a Microsoft shop, but a totally rabid Microsoft shop. The very >>> notion of running anything that was Free Software was total anathema >>> to this company. They basically subscribed to the notion that, "if >>> it *can* run on NT/2000, it *will* run on NT/2000." Actually >>> putting OpenOffice.org on anybody's computer might well have gotten >>> me fired, even if the user had specifically asked for it, unless it >>> had been a major partner (wasn't gonna happen). >>> >>> So, to answer your question, we never took them off of Microsoft in >>> the first place. We simply made them run their apps locally again. >>> >>> That does bring to mind a question, though: Norbert, can you tell >>> us why you need to run twenty client sessions on a Windows Terminal >>> Server? Would folks not be better suited by a K12LTSP server? >>> >>> --TP >>> >>> Brian Chase wrote: >>> >>>> This must be why Citrix is so successful, because the native WTS >>>> does such a poor job of it. What I can't figure out is why you >>>> took your whole office staff back to Microsoft when OpenOffice has >>>> been out for several years now. >>>> >>>> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's one of the major problems with Windows Terminal Server; the >>>>> underlying platform's just not efficient. The RDP protocol used >>>>> with it is reasonably efficient, but the server itself gets >>>>> S-L-O-W very quickly. I never did more than five on a dual-PIII, >>>>> 900MHz, 1GB DRAM box w/ Ultra3-SCSI RAID, back when I was running >>>>> Windows networks, for performance reasons; with any more, the CPUs >>>>> kept pegging, and the memory subsystem kept almost continuously >>>>> swapping to disk. As it was, there was plenty of swapping, and >>>>> the CPUs were heavily used. We also had stability issues with >>>>> user applications (e. g. Microsoft Office). We ended up using >>>>> Terminal Services only for us sysadmins and making everyone run MS >>>>> Office on their desktops again. Boy, did we learn! >>>>> >>>>> If for some reason you have to do this for twenty clients on one >>>>> server, then I'd recommend going for, at a minimum, a four >>>>> processor box, with max GHz (currently we're talking either Xeon >>>>> 3.2GHz's or Opteron 2.2GHz's (that's the 848 model, BTW). Also, >>>>> better have no less than 4GB DRAM, and more is definitely not >>>>> overkill. >>>>> >>>>> --TP >>>>> >>>>> norbert wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ooops that's a P-III & just for clarification we're using K12LTSP >>>>>> with diskless client, from each client we launch a rdesktop session. >>>>>> >>>>>> thks again >>>>>> norbert >>>>>> >>>>>> bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anyone setup rdesktop with linux on 20 + workstations ? >>>>>>> (With Win2K) and what specs are needed for the Win2K server to >>>>>>> handle the load. >>>>>>> We've setup a P-II 500 Mhz with 512mb ram and can barely launch >>>>>>> 3 connections. The response is incrediblly SLOW.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks for the input >>>>>>> >>>>>>> norbert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jhansknecht at hanstech.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:26, Shawn Powers wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>>> I have 3 schools, all connected via fiber. There are approx >>>>>>>>> 30 classrooms per building, with a variation of 10 & 100mbit >>>>>>>>> connections internally. The 2 big directions I'm looking at >>>>>>>>> would be to have 90 "mini-labs", where a teacher gets a new >>>>>>>>> white-box Pentium 4 computer, and have it serve as a classroom >>>>>>>>> LTSP server to 5 or 6 "junker" thin clients for the students >>>>>>>>> (much like the original case study Paul Nelson put up several >>>>>>>>> years back). If the student management system won't work >>>>>>>>> under Wine -- that teacher computer would have to run win4lin >>>>>>>>> or some such solution. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Instead of win4lin think about using a Windows terminal server >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> rdesktop. ....you will need to spend a little but I suspect you >>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>> able to conqueror this application requirement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From barry at yellowdog.com Mon Apr 12 15:33:08 2004 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:33:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] > Message-ID: <407AB6B4.7000306@yellowdog.com> Hi, This is the pdf on how to make squid authenticate to NDS. I owe Matt White a lot for putting this out for other to use. http://www.madriver.k12.oh.us/technology/whitepapers/squid-edirectory.pdf ************************************************************ Random ideas and notes... "squid_ldap_auth" CAN be called from the command line for authentication testing. Thats how I debugged the following line to put into squid.conf. auth_param basic program /usr/local/squid/libexec/squid_ldap_auth -b o=ccn -u cn -s sub -D cn=ldap_proxy,o=ccn -f "(&(&(objectClass=person)(cn=%s))(groupMembership=cn=Internet_Users,ou=groups,o=ccn))" -h localhost -p 1212 Specifics ******* o=ccn (ccn is our top context in NDS) cn=ldap_proxy, o=ccn (ldap_proxy is our NDS proxy user setup as per Novell documentation) -f "(&(&... this filter tests the following: objectclass=person cn is the nds name typed in by the user the user exists in our NDS group called "Internet_Users". -h localhost (we run stunnel from the squid server to NDS to encrypt passwords). For stunnel to work, we have the following in /etc/rc.d/rc.local: stunnel -c -d localhost:1212 -r nds.server.ip.number:636 The killer for us was including the group "Internet_Users" in the filter. We don't allow all our users to get to the net and we used to grant access via Bordermanager using this group. Now that we use squid instead of Bordermanager we *still* grant access to the internet users by including them in this group. This one made the techs very happy. Finally, we limit the users to one ip number at a time. This prevents one user from giving out their NDS name and password to friends (who don't have Internet access). It allows a user to login from any IP address but will then deny access to the same user trying to authenticate from a different IP address. Its basically a "first person in - wins" scheme, so if the first user gives a second user their login credentials and the second user logs in, the first user will be denied services. acl manypcs max_user_ip -s 1 http_access deny manypcs This helps keep our staff honest and keeps the personnel folks happy. Personnel insists that we don't give Internet access to everybody. Trust me, I've tried to change this policy because in our situation (a government office) giving everyone access isn't a big deal like it would be in a school system. So there are the basics. If it isn't totaly clear, forgive me. We spent the last few days putting several coats of finish on the living room floor and my thinking isn't what you'd call sharp right now. Everything smells like polyurathane right now... Barry From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 15:44:08 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Password timeout Message-ID: <20040412154408.34704.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Chris, when I typed in passwd -S jwaters it came back with Password set MD5 crypt. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From penguintiz at yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 16:47:29 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] > In-Reply-To: <20040412160016.9311974005@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040412164729.90460.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks!!!! ------------- >>-Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:33:08 -0400 From: Barry Solof Subject: Re: [K12OSN] > To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <407AB6B4.7000306 at yellowdog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, This is the pdf on how to make squid authenticate to NDS. I owe Matt White a lot for putting this out for other to use. http://www.madriver.k12.oh.us/technology/whitepapers/squid-edirectory.pdf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Apr 12 19:35:18 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:35:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS Message-ID: Hi, I've install Gordon Rowells NFS pkg.....portmap and nfs-utils. AFAIK NFS is working....the service starts and it appears that I can export. On the server that I intend to export to I get the following when I try to mount -a [root at spongebob etc]# mount -a mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused My exports on the SME server looks like this: /mytest 10.0.0.234(rw,insecure,sync,no_root_squash) My fstab looks like this: 10.0.6.2:/mytest /mnt/myimport nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 any ideas for things to look for as to why I can't connect? My SME box is running 6.0 and it is in server only mode....I tried adding # nfs rpc.nfsd: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 rpc.mountd: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 # portmap portmap: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 To hosts.allow.....still no dice....do I have to restart anything when I make the change to hosts.allow? Any ideas appreciated....I'm trying to see if I can do both Samba and LDAP to auth Windows XP and Linux (K12LTSP) and export the home dirs via NFS to the K12LTSP box. David Trask David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Mon Apr 12 22:01:29 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:01:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new splash screen for K12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407B11B9.6060307@snet.net> Doug Simpson wrote: >> >>BUT sound DOES work in KDE...I'm listening to Jerry Garcia on XMMS with >>KDE right now! >> >> > > But does sound work from a TERMINAL with KDE? > > I know itmworks fine from the server in LTSP. I suppose I should clarify that I am using this software at home on a standalone box, not a terminal. There's the rub, eh? -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From samps at redjocks.com Mon Apr 12 23:19:47 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:49:47 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> David Trask wrote: > Hi, > > I've install Gordon Rowells NFS pkg.....portmap and nfs-utils. AFAIK NFS > is working....the service starts and it appears that I can export. On the > server that I intend to export to I get the following when I try to mount > -a > > [root at spongebob etc]# mount -a > mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused > > My exports on the SME server looks like this: > David, according to e-smith.org, NFS doesn't work with SME-server. From their FAQ: http://www.e-smith.org/faq.php3#5q10 cheers Samps > > David Trask > From bobk at mn.rr.com Mon Apr 12 23:43:08 2004 From: bobk at mn.rr.com (Bob K) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:43:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get Problem Message-ID: <407B298C.5070501@mn.rr.com> I'm doing my pseudo-regular updates to my server and I'm getting a failure using apt-get. > apt-get update Get:1 http://mirrors.usc.edu fedora/1/i386 release [2494B] 99% [Waiting for headers] It just hangs here. Was there an update to the list that I missed? If so, where can I edit that? From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Apr 13 00:08:08 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: 12 Apr 2004 20:08:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Eric--python + x11vnc Message-ID: <1081814887.4127.3.camel@leigh> Eric--would you be willing to tweak Texch.py to use the run vnc button to run vncviewer baddudeterminal if baddudeterminal is running x11vnc locally...effectively the same capability as apple remote desktop??chuck From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 13 12:42:16 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:42:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> References: <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> Message-ID: Actually it does if you install it which I did....at the end of the FAQ " So, in short, we don't plan to support NFS at this stage as part of the product. You can easily add the appropriate RPM modules to the server, see the Administration FAQ for details." Anyway...I have it installed and it appears to be exporting....I just can't connect from the other box....getting a "Connection refused" error. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >> My exports on the SME server looks like this: >> > >David, > >according to e-smith.org, NFS doesn't work with SME-server. > > From their FAQ: http://www.e-smith.org/faq.php3#5q10 > >cheers >Samps David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 13 13:03:17 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:03:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP In-Reply-To: <40782004.1010106@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <016501c42157$b3936830$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks for the sftp tips guys. I'll check them out. Sounds like a good option for the pc users. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chase Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:26 AM To: bbenson at pps.k12.or.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re:View Multiple share points with Netatalk and vsFTP Another one I like is FileZilla: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=21558 Brian Benson wrote: > WinSCP is a fantastic sftp/scp client > for windows that will give you an ftp > like look and feel. Very good for > basic users. > > http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/ > > -Brian > > >>jim at winonacotter.org wrote: >> >> >>>I here you there. Unfortunately I > > have often overestimated the users > >>>ability to use computers in the past > > and anything outside the realm of > >>>FTP seems to be overwhelming for 80% > > of students and 95% of teachers, > >>>and everyone insists on external > > access. Everyone has been so spoiled > >>>with the ease of Chooser in OS9 in > > the past that it is tuff to stear > >>>them any other direction. But I > > will definitely note this point in my > >>>quest :-) I have even dabbled with > > a java > >>> >>Sftp comes with ssh and is an > > ftp-like server/client paradigm. There > >>are clients which support sftp such > > as MacSFTP. > >>-- >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > >> "Spend less! Do more! Go Open > > Source..." -- Dirigo.net > >> Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 13 15:36:12 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:36:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone going to LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham? Message-ID: <1081870570.1188.216.camel@server.ltsp> I'm scheduled to give a presentation on the K12LTSP project at the LinuxFest NorthWest conference in Bellingham Washington this Saturday. Unfortunately I'm not going to be able to make it. Is anyone on the planning to go to LFNW? And if so, would you like to consider filling in for me and giving a demo of K12LTSP? ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 13 16:01:42 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:01:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall Message-ID: <017c01c42170$a028f8f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Does anyone know of a way to integrate/build and anti-virus firewall? Just wondering if there is a way to build a Linux router that not only performs routing and content filtering, but also scans all traffic against a virus definition. I have looked at some packages like those from www.fortinet.com but have also seen the hefty price tags on enterprise types of setups which is the category a standard school size would fall into. Or even an option that is separate from the router and is a stand alone virus scanner for all inbound/outbound network traffic at the head of the network. I am not really concerned about traffice inside the network as I will assume this is "clean", just traffic from web browsing and transferring documents to and off campus and through email. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 13 16:01:18 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:01:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: References: <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 07:42, David Trask wrote: > Actually it does if you install it which I did....at the end of the FAQ " > So, in short, we don't plan to support NFS at this stage as part of the > product. You can easily add the appropriate RPM modules to the server, see > the Administration FAQ for details." Anyway...I have it installed and it > appears to be exporting....I just can't connect from the other > box....getting a "Connection refused" error. What does 'showmount -e' say locally and 'showmount -e servername' from the client? If they are different, you probably need to allow portmap in /etc/hosts.allow (this should be logged in /var/logged/secure) or it is iptables blocking the connection which means you'll have to add some custom templates in /etc/e-smith/templates-custom/etc/rc.d/init.d/masq. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tim at litwiller.net Tue Apr 13 16:27:08 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:27:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall In-Reply-To: <017c01c42170$a028f8f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <017c01c42170$a028f8f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <407C14DC.7010109@litwiller.net> I haven't done it but I have seen that there is a clamav patch for dansguardian that is supposed to do something like what you want. http://dansguardian.org/?page=extras Under 3rd party plugins and patches. Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to integrate/build and anti-virus firewall? > Just wondering if there is a way to build a Linux router that not only > performs routing and content filtering, but also scans all traffic > against a virus definition. > > I have looked at some packages like those from www.fortinet.com > but have also seen the hefty price tags on > enterprise types of setups which is the category a standard school > size would fall into. > > Or even an option that is separate from the router and is a stand > alone virus scanner for all inbound/outbound network traffic at the > head of the network. I am not really concerned about traffice inside > the network as I will assume this is "clean", just traffic from web > browsing and transferring documents to and off campus and through email. > > Thanks > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Tue Apr 13 16:57:16 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:57:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall In-Reply-To: <407C14DC.7010109@litwiller.net> Message-ID: You could do the same thing with squid. If you goto the clamav webpage under the 3rc party modules they have a plug in that makes squid and clamav play together. On 4/13/04 9:27 AM, "Tim Litwiller" wrote: > I haven't done it but I have seen that there is a clamav patch for > dansguardian that is supposed to do something like what you want. > > http://dansguardian.org/?page=extras > > Under 3rd party plugins and patches. > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a way to integrate/build and anti-virus firewall? >> Just wondering if there is a way to build a Linux router that not only >> performs routing and content filtering, but also scans all traffic >> against a virus definition. >> >> I have looked at some packages like those from www.fortinet.com >> but have also seen the hefty price tags on >> enterprise types of setups which is the category a standard school >> size would fall into. >> >> Or even an option that is separate from the router and is a stand >> alone virus scanner for all inbound/outbound network traffic at the >> head of the network. I am not really concerned about traffice inside >> the network as I will assume this is "clean", just traffic from web >> browsing and transferring documents to and off campus and through email. >> >> Thanks >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > - Jamie From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Tue Apr 13 17:41:08 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:41:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions wanted Message-ID: <407C2634.9060801@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> [Moderator: Please delete my original message with the pdf attachment - thanks!] I didn't really find a terrific one page flyer regarding K12LTSp for my trip to CASBO this week, so I made up my own this morning - please comment on it before I print it up tomorrow for my trip - thanks! http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/K12LTSPFlyer.pdf -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 13 17:59:39 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:59:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: < > <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> < > <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >iptables blocking the connection which >means you'll have to add some custom templates in >/etc/e-smith/templates-custom/etc/rc.d/init.d/masq. Ahhhh...possibly....any idea what I should add to iptables? Not sure what port or whatever to open David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Tue Apr 13 18:01:07 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:01:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions wanted In-Reply-To: <407C2634.9060801@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <407C2634.9060801@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <407C2AE3.8010201@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Chris Hobbs wrote: > [Moderator: Please delete my original message with the pdf attachment - > thanks!] > > I didn't really find a terrific one page flyer regarding K12LTSp for my > trip to CASBO this week, so I made up my own this morning - please > comment on it before I print it up tomorrow for my trip - thanks! > > http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/K12LTSPFlyer.pdf > Great job on this flyer! This is one we should pass out to as many people as we can. Looks very nice; professional layout, clean typefaces, whitespace, nice graphics. Excellent! Can I put it on my website @ school? -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Apr 13 18:06:24 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:06:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: References: <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <407C2C20.8010001@cfl.rr.com> A little more information, like what you were trying to accomplish before you got this error would be nice. If you want help, you should take the time to fully explain your problem, from the beginning..... David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >>iptables blocking the connection which >>means you'll have to add some custom templates in >>/etc/e-smith/templates-custom/etc/rc.d/init.d/masq. > > > Ahhhh...possibly....any idea what I should add to iptables? Not sure what > port or whatever to open > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 13 18:04:51 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:04:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: References: < > <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> < > <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1081879491.18665.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 12:59, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >iptables blocking the connection which > >means you'll have to add some custom templates in > >/etc/e-smith/templates-custom/etc/rc.d/init.d/masq. > > Ahhhh...possibly....any idea what I should add to iptables? Not sure what > port or whatever to open I thought the 'inside' interface was generally open on SME but I'll dig out my test box and see. Meanwhile look for the portmap: entry in hosts.allow. It will be easier to fix if it isn't there, although it still takes a custom template to keep the change. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 13 18:10:55 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:10:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: <1081879491.18665.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: < > < > <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> < > < > < > <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > <1081879491.18665.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Meanwhile look for the portmap: entry >in hosts.allow. It will be easier to fix if it isn't there, although >it still takes a custom template to keep the change. There is no portmap entry David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Tue Apr 13 18:03:17 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:03:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions wanted In-Reply-To: <407C2AE3.8010201@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <407C2634.9060801@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> <407C2AE3.8010201@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <407C2B65.10202@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: >> http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/K12LTSPFlyer.pdf >> > > Great job on this flyer! This is one we should pass out to as many > people as we can. Looks very nice; professional layout, clean > typefaces, whitespace, nice graphics. Excellent! > > Can I put it on my website @ school? Use it as you see fit - I am updating as I find typos and such in the original sxw - once I'm done with it, I'll post the sxw as well to make it easy for other folks to modify. (btw: don't tell anyone, but I borrowed the basic layout from a MS Windows 2000 Advanced Server flyer I picked up at a tradeshow... shhhhh!) -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 13 18:10:24 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:10:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <019001c42182$9b340800$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks for the plugin ideas. Luckily I have a box all ready to test it on when I get time. I think this sounds like it should do what I want. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jamie Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:57 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall You could do the same thing with squid. If you goto the clamav webpage under the 3rc party modules they have a plug in that makes squid and clamav play together. On 4/13/04 9:27 AM, "Tim Litwiller" wrote: > I haven't done it but I have seen that there is a clamav patch for > dansguardian that is supposed to do something like what you want. > > http://dansguardian.org/?page=extras > > Under 3rd party plugins and patches. > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a way to integrate/build and anti-virus firewall? >> Just wondering if there is a way to build a Linux router that not >> only performs routing and content filtering, but also scans all >> traffic against a virus definition. >> >> I have looked at some packages like those from www.fortinet.com >> but have also seen the hefty price tags on >> enterprise types of setups which is the category a standard school >> size would fall into. >> >> Or even an option that is separate from the router and is a stand >> alone virus scanner for all inbound/outbound network traffic at the >> head of the network. I am not really concerned about traffice inside >> the network as I will assume this is "clean", just traffic from web >> browsing and transferring documents to and off campus and through >> email. >> >> Thanks >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > - Jamie _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 13 18:01:29 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:01:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall In-Reply-To: <017c01c42170$a028f8f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <017c01c42170$a028f8f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Go to www.contribs.org and search the forums for SME 6.01 Custom ISO....basically some folks have taken and integrated Spamassassin and ClamAV into SME server.....I've tried it and it works fantastic! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 13 18:13:21 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:13:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: <407C2C20.8010001@cfl.rr.com> References: < > <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> < > < > <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > <407C2C20.8010001@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >A little more information, like what you were trying to accomplish before >you got this error would be nice. If you want help, you should take the >time to fully explain your problem, from the beginning..... Goes back to my original message..... Hi, Using SME 6.01 (www.contribs.org) I've installed Gordon Rowells NFS pkg.....portmap and nfs-utils. AFAIK NFS is working....the service starts and it appears that I can export. On the server that I intend to export to I get the following when I try to mount -a [root at spongebob etc]# mount -a mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused My exports on the SME server looks like this: /mytest 10.0.0.234(rw,insecure,sync,no_root_squash) My fstab looks like this: 10.0.6.2:/mytest /mnt/myimport nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 any ideas for things to look for as to why I can't connect? My SME box is running 6.0 and it is in server only mode....I tried adding # nfs rpc.nfsd: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 rpc.mountd: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 # portmap portmap: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 To hosts.allow.....still no dice....do I have to restart anything when I make the change to hosts.allow? Any ideas appreciated....I'm trying to see if I can do both Samba and LDAP to auth Windows XP and Linux (K12LTSP) and export the home dirs via NFS to the K12LTSP box using an SME server....if I'm successful it will be a lot easier than my current Samba/LDAP setup. David Trask David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Tue Apr 13 18:12:18 2004 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:12:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how many clients? Message-ID: <407C2D82.4040901@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Can anyone tell me how many clients could run well on the following server? Dual Proc Xenon 64 bit motherboard 8 gigs of RAM gigabit ethernet from the server to switch, but 100mb to the client. From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Tue Apr 13 18:14:59 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:14:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] how many clients? In-Reply-To: <407C2D82.4040901@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> References: <407C2D82.4040901@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <62385.170.211.161.223.1081880099.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Brandon Kovach said: > Can anyone tell me how many clients could run well on the following server? > > Dual Proc Xenon > 64 bit motherboard > 8 gigs of RAM > gigabit ethernet from the server to switch, but 100mb to the client. It all depends on what you're doing. I'd say 60 consecutively as a confident estimate. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Apr 13 18:17:41 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:17:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how many clients? In-Reply-To: <62385.170.211.161.223.1081880099.squirrel@170.211.161.223> References: <407C2D82.4040901@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> <62385.170.211.161.223.1081880099.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: <200404131417.42265.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 02:14 pm, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > > Dual Proc Xenon > > 64 bit motherboard > > 8 gigs of RAM > > gigabit ethernet from the server to switch, but 100mb to the client. Gotta inquire about the hard drives though... Standard ATA-133 will choke at about 8-10 clients if you're serving the /home directory. There have been multiple threads here regarding SCSI vs IDE vs SATA -- you pick a side you like. :) Honestly though, ATA-133 will not suffice in a big server situation that you want to serve many clients. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Tue Apr 13 18:26:22 2004 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:26:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how many clients? In-Reply-To: <62385.170.211.161.223.1081880099.squirrel@170.211.161.223> References: <407C2D82.4040901@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> <62385.170.211.161.223.1081880099.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: <407C30CE.3030906@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> I guess I didn't ask the question I really want to know. I saw the post earlier, and was trying to figure out how many servers I need to accommodate 70-85 concurrent connections. From experience here, If I double the RAM, I get lots more work from the clients, but I don't think I can double the number of clients. Sooo ... Question is, how far am I from running 85 clients on ONE of the following machines? Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Brandon Kovach said: > >>Can anyone tell me how many clients could run well on the following server? >> >>Dual Proc Xenon >>64 bit motherboard >>8 gigs of RAM >>gigabit ethernet from the server to switch, but 100mb to the client. > > > It all depends on what you're doing. I'd say 60 consecutively as a confident > estimate. > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Apr 13 18:30:36 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:30:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how many clients? In-Reply-To: <407C30CE.3030906@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> References: <407C2D82.4040901@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> <62385.170.211.161.223.1081880099.squirrel@170.211.161.223> <407C30CE.3030906@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <200404131430.36809.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 02:26 pm, Brandon Kovach wrote: > Question is, how far am I from running 85 clients on ONE of the > following machines? I really feel like the Devil's advocate here -- but when you get bigger numbers, the variation in window managers really plays a big deal. ie, if you mean 90 clients using icewm-lite you might be OK, but 90 using Gnome is a MUCH bigger hit on the server. Sorry I haven't answered at all. Truth be told, I have the same scenario for next year myself. I hope there is some way we (as a group) can document a generalization for server/client usage. I know that window managers will have to play a part in such a comparison. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 13 18:35:36 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:35:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <019101c42186$1ff34f30$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks!!! I was hoping for a packaged solution, and from what I have seen of SME it looks like a very easy setup. I might just try that first since I haven't had the pleasure of building a SME box yet. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:01 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall Go to www.contribs.org and search the forums for SME 6.01 Custom ISO....basically some folks have taken and integrated Spamassassin and ClamAV into SME server.....I've tried it and it works fantastic! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Tue Apr 13 18:40:20 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] how many clients? In-Reply-To: <407C30CE.3030906@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: Brandon, I've got a customer running 140 ltsp clients on a single server. The server is a Dual P4 Xeon 2.4ghz with 4gb of ram. They are using Icewm for the window manager. About 70 of those users are allowed to run Mozilla and Open Office. All of the users are allowed to run xterms to connect to other servers where their business apps are located. This server is also the samba server, the DNS server and the DHCP server for the entire office (about 250 machines in total). Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Brandon Kovach wrote: > I guess I didn't ask the question I really want to know. > > I saw the post earlier, and was trying to figure out how many servers I > need to accommodate 70-85 concurrent connections. From experience here, > If I double the RAM, I get lots more work from the clients, but I don't > think I can double the number of clients. Sooo ... > > Question is, how far am I from running 85 clients on ONE of the > following machines? > > Caleb Wagnon wrote: > > > Brandon Kovach said: > > > >>Can anyone tell me how many clients could run well on the following server? > >> > >>Dual Proc Xenon > >>64 bit motherboard > >>8 gigs of RAM > >>gigabit ethernet from the server to switch, but 100mb to the client. > > > > > > It all depends on what you're doing. I'd say 60 consecutively as a confident > > estimate. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 13 19:04:10 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:04:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions wanted In-Reply-To: <407C2B65.10202@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <407C2634.9060801@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> <407C2AE3.8010201@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <407C2B65.10202@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <407C39AA.5030603@maltzen.net> Chris Hobbs wrote: > Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > >>> http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/K12LTSPFlyer.pdf >>> >> >> Great job on this flyer! This is one we should pass out to as many >> people as we can. Looks very nice; professional layout, clean >> typefaces, whitespace, nice graphics. Excellent! >> >> Can I put it on my website @ school? > > > Use it as you see fit - I am updating as I find typos and such in the > original sxw - once I'm done with it, I'll post the sxw as well to make > it easy for other folks to modify. > > (btw: don't tell anyone, but I borrowed the basic layout from a MS > Windows 2000 Advanced Server flyer I picked up at a tradeshow... shhhhh!) > Awww, don't say that, it makes me feel dirty. Now I have to go do some 'hail tux'-es. From julius at turtle.com Tue Apr 13 20:10:34 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] how many clients? In-Reply-To: <407C30CE.3030906@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Brandon Kovach wrote: > I guess I didn't ask the question I really want to know. > > I saw the post earlier, and was trying to figure out how many servers I > need to accommodate 70-85 concurrent connections. From experience here, > If I double the RAM, I get lots more work from the clients, but I don't > think I can double the number of clients. Sooo ... > > Question is, how far am I from running 85 clients on ONE of the > following machines? > > Caleb Wagnon wrote: > > > Brandon Kovach said: > > > >>Can anyone tell me how many clients could run well on the following server? > >> > >>Dual Proc Xenon > >>64 bit motherboard > >>8 gigs of RAM > >>gigabit ethernet from the server to switch, but 100mb to the client. > > > > > > It all depends on what you're doing. I'd say 60 consecutively as a confident > > estimate. > > If at all possible, get dual Opteron instead of dual Xeon. Direct memory access beats the Rube Goldberg approach on 32bit systems. My bigmem kernel experiments were a total failure on dual xeon mobos, ymmv. that said, if all goes well 8GB should accomodate 90 users just fine, you may run into processing and bandwidth bottlenecks. julius From trondrm at online.no Tue Apr 13 20:42:14 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:42:14 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Edit Gnome menu Message-ID: <1081888934.22418.6.camel@trond> How can I edit the Gnome start menu in 4.0.1 so all users get created with the *new* start menu? Also, Is it possible to set the theme and icons to something else than Bluecurve by default? And finally, If I install Mozilla Firefox, how do I set google as default start page for all users? Regards -- Trond M?hlum From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 13 20:58:20 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:58:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Edit Gnome menu In-Reply-To: <1081888934.22418.6.camel@trond> References: <1081888934.22418.6.camel@trond> Message-ID: <407C546C.8070709@maltzen.net> For the Mozilla stuff, I'd create a default .mozilla directory that can be copied into each user's home directory when you create the ID. I think the default homepage is stored in ~/.mozilla/default/somerandomstring/pref.js. If you copy your customized version of pref.js as part of the .mozilla directory, I think it will set the default homepage, etc. Petre Trond M?hlum wrote: > How can I edit the Gnome start menu in 4.0.1 so all users get created > with the *new* start menu? > > Also, Is it possible to set the theme and icons to something else than > Bluecurve by default? > > And finally, If I install Mozilla Firefox, how do I set google as > default start page for all users? > > Regards > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 13 21:09:53 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:09:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: References: < > <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> < > < > <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > <407C2C20.8010001@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1081890593.18665.43.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 13:13, David Trask wrote: > My exports on the SME server looks like this: > > /mytest 10.0.0.234(rw,insecure,sync,no_root_squash) ^^^^^^^^^^ Is this the single client address where you are trying to mount? > any ideas for things to look for as to why I can't connect? My SME box is > running 6.0 and it is in server only mode....I tried adding > What does 'showmount -e' say, both from the server and client (give the server name on the client)? > # nfs > rpc.nfsd: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 > rpc.mountd: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 > > # portmap > portmap: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 Either your 10.0.0.234 should be 10.0.0.0 to give access to all of 10.x.x.x or your subnet mask should be 255.255.255.255 to restrict to a single client. I think you should see log entries in /var/log/secure when a connection is refused by tcpwrappers. > To hosts.allow.....still no dice....do I have to restart anything when I > make the change to hosts.allow? Any ideas appreciated....I'm trying to see > if I can do both Samba and LDAP to auth Windows XP and Linux (K12LTSP) and > export the home dirs via NFS to the K12LTSP box using an SME server....if > I'm successful it will be a lot easier than my current Samba/LDAP setup. Does that mean you already have an SME server using LDAP authentication? As a server or client? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 13 22:53:51 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:53:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: <1081890593.18665.43.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: < > < > <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > < > < > <407C2C20.8010001@cfl.rr.com> < > <1081890593.18665.43.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 13:13, David Trask wrote: > >> My exports on the SME server looks like this: >> >> /mytest 10.0.0.234(rw,insecure,sync,no_root_squash) > ^^^^^^^^^^ > Is this the single client address where you are >trying to mount? > ++++++++ Yes....I'm trying to export /mytest from my SME server and mount it on another RedHat server at the address 10.0.0.234 +++++++++++ > > >> any ideas for things to look for as to why I can't connect? My SME box >is >> running 6.0 and it is in server only mode....I tried adding >> > >What does 'showmount -e' say, both from the server and client (give the >server name on the client)? +++++++++ On the server it shows that it's exporting the line from above only in name format /mytest pc-00234.vcs.u52.k12.me.us On the client NFS shows only the exports being made from that client, but nothing from the SME server showmount -a didn't yield anything either +++++++++ > > >> # nfs >> rpc.nfsd: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 >> rpc.mountd: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 >> >> # portmap >> portmap: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 > >Either your 10.0.0.234 should be 10.0.0.0 to give access to all of >10.x.x.x or your subnet mask should be 255.255.255.255 to restrict to >a single client. I think you should see log entries in /var/log/secure >when a connection is refused by tcpwrappers. +++++++ nothing in the log entries.....(it'd be nice if I could find something then I might be able to find out why I'm being denied) I changed the numbers to 10.0.0.0.....nothing ++++++++ > > >> To hosts.allow.....still no dice....do I have to restart anything when I >> make the change to hosts.allow? Any ideas appreciated....I'm trying to >see >> if I can do both Samba and LDAP to auth Windows XP and Linux (K12LTSP) >and >> export the home dirs via NFS to the K12LTSP box using an SME >server....if >> I'm successful it will be a lot easier than my current Samba/LDAP setup. > >Does that mean you already have an SME server using LDAP authentication? >As a server or client? Nope.....I'm currently using a RedHat box (the one I'm exporting too....as an experiment) as a Samba/LDAP server (see my how-to here http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux ) What I'm trying to do is see if I can do something similar with an SME box....if I can...then WOW! It will simplify things a lot for many folks in many installations. I just need to get this NFS thing mounted and then I can test my theory. > > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 13 22:57:12 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:57:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall In-Reply-To: <019101c42186$1ff34f30$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <019101c42186$1ff34f30$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Thanks!!! I was hoping for a packaged solution, and from what I have >seen of SME it looks like a very easy setup. I might just try that >first since I haven't had the pleasure of building a SME box yet. You'll be impressed....I actually didn't use the Custom ISO....I did the packages by hand, but even then it was a no -brainer.....very slick....I have several SME servers and all work very well. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 13 23:05:49 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:05:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: References: < > <, > < > <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> < > < > <, > < > <, > < > <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > < > <, > < > <, > <407C2C20.8010001@cfl.rr.com> < > <, > <, > <1081890593.18665.43.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <,> Message-ID: Ok Les and all, I'm a step closer....I found a stupid mistake in my fstab on the client where intead of 10.0.6.20 I had 10.0.6.2....so now instead of connection refused...I get a new message when doing mount -a mount: RPC: Program not registered Any other ideas? I'm so close! I know I am! ;-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: >>On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 13:13, David Trask wrote: >> >>> My exports on the SME server looks like this: >>> >>> /mytest 10.0.0.234(rw,insecure,sync,no_root_squash) >> ^^^^^^^^^^ >> Is this the single client address where you are >>trying to mount? >> >++++++++ >Yes....I'm trying to export /mytest from my SME server and mount it on >another RedHat server at the address 10.0.0.234 >+++++++++++ >> >> >>> any ideas for things to look for as to why I can't connect? My SME box >>is >>> running 6.0 and it is in server only mode....I tried adding >>> >> >>What does 'showmount -e' say, both from the server and client (give the >>server name on the client)? > >+++++++++ >On the server it shows that it's exporting the line from above only in >name format >/mytest pc-00234.vcs.u52.k12.me.us > >On the client NFS shows only the exports being made from that client, but >nothing from the SME server >showmount -a didn't yield anything either >+++++++++ >> >> >>> # nfs >>> rpc.nfsd: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 >>> rpc.mountd: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 >>> >>> # portmap >>> portmap: 10.0.0.234/255.0.0.0 >> >>Either your 10.0.0.234 should be 10.0.0.0 to give access to all of >>10.x.x.x or your subnet mask should be 255.255.255.255 to restrict to >>a single client. I think you should see log entries in /var/log/secure >>when a connection is refused by tcpwrappers. > >+++++++ >nothing in the log entries.....(it'd be nice if I could find something >then I might be able to find out why I'm being denied) > >I changed the numbers to 10.0.0.0.....nothing >++++++++ >> >> >>> To hosts.allow.....still no dice....do I have to restart anything when >I >>> make the change to hosts.allow? Any ideas appreciated....I'm trying to >>see >>> if I can do both Samba and LDAP to auth Windows XP and Linux (K12LTSP) >>and >>> export the home dirs via NFS to the K12LTSP box using an SME >>server....if >>> I'm successful it will be a lot easier than my current Samba/LDAP >setup. >> >>Does that mean you already have an SME server using LDAP authentication? >>As a server or client? > >Nope.....I'm currently using a RedHat box (the one I'm exporting too....as >an experiment) as a Samba/LDAP server (see my how-to here >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux ) What I'm trying to do is see if I >can do something similar with an SME box....if I can...then WOW! It will >simplify things a lot for many folks in many installations. I just need >to get this NFS thing mounted and then I can test my theory. >> >> >>--- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com > > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From goblin at scooter.co.nz Tue Apr 13 23:29:20 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (MrGoblin) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:29:20 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: References: < > <, > < > <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> < > < > <, > < > <, > < > <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > < > <, > < > <, > <407C2C20.8010001@cfl.rr.com> < > <, > <, > <1081890593.18665.43.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <, > Message-ID: <407C77D0.7080500@scooter.co.nz> David Trask wrote: > Ok Les and all, > > I'm a step closer....I found a stupid mistake in my fstab on the client > where intead of 10.0.6.20 I had 10.0.6.2....so now instead of connection > refused...I get a new message when doing mount -a > > mount: RPC: Program not registered Make sure the portmapper and mountd are running rpcinfo -p may give you an idea.. This link should also prove helpful http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/nfs.htm mRgOBLIN From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 13 23:36:26 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:36:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME, K12LTSP, and NFS In-Reply-To: References: < > <, > < > <407B2413.5000907@redjocks.com> < > < > <, > < > <, > < > <1081872077.13024.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > < > <, > < > <, > <407C2C20.8010001@cfl.rr.com> < > <, > <, > <1081890593.18665.43.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <,> Message-ID: <1081899385.26082.79.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 18:05, David Trask wrote: > Ok Les and all, > > I'm a step closer....I found a stupid mistake in my fstab on the client > where intead of 10.0.6.20 I had 10.0.6.2....so now instead of connection > refused...I get a new message when doing mount -a > > mount: RPC: Program not registered Try 'showmount -e 10.0.6.2' from the client. It sounds like mountd isn't running on the server. If you have a stock redhat system with nfs, compare the /etc/rc.d/init.d/nfs script to the one you installed on the sme server and make sure that all of the processes start that are supposed to. You might need to restart nfs after changing the hosts.allow file too. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From krasnofb at nwrel.org Tue Apr 13 23:38:13 2004 From: krasnofb at nwrel.org (Basha Krasnoff) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:38:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Final Week Message-ID: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C3DF@nt2.nwrel.org> Thanks to everyone who completed our K12 Open Source User Survey. Your input is very helpful to other educators who are making decisions about implementing Open Source Solutions. If you haven't completed this survey, we would really appreciate if you would spend 10-minutes sharing the "state of your OSS implementation" at http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss before April 21st, when the survey goes off-line. The Open Options Project at the Northwest Educational Technology Consortium (NETC) is an independent research project serving K-12 educators. We conduct extensive online survey research and phone interviews with current K-12 users of open source software to provide pragmatic information and decision-making tools. Visit our research-based Web site, Open Options: Making Decisions about Open Source Software for K-12, (http://www.netc.org/openoptions) for an analysis of the survey results. We look forward to hearing from you and meeting you at our sessions on Open Source Software at upcoming conferences like NCCE, ACPE, and NECC. Thank you. (NETC is not affiliated with any software vendor or open source software project. It is a federally-funded center at the Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory (NWREL), a private, nonprofit institution in Portland, Oregon.) Basha Krasnoff Research and Evaluation Specialist Technology in Education Center (NETC) Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory 101 SW Main Street, Suite 500 Portland, Oregon 97204 Tel: 503.275.9643 Fax: 503.275.0449 E-mail: krasnofb at nwrel.org From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 02:17:16 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Alumnae / Fundraising Software Message-ID: <20040414021716.56587.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all: I work for a small k-8 private school which has been using K12LTSP since the 1.0 release. Thanks everyone for helping me setup our thin client computing model. Next fiscal year will be the school's 60th anniversary and the school will focus on generating money by going after our alums. Currently the school doesn't have a database with Alumnae/i info and the school has never done Alumnae/i fundraising before. My question; is there an open source software solution that can help track Alumnae/i and their donations? I found Blackbaud's "The Raiser's Edge" but it's not free and I think it is designed to be used for a bigger institution. Thanks for your help. Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Apr 14 04:22:46 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:22:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! NFS working in SME...on to step two Message-ID: Les and all, Ok...after much head banging and guesswork I finally figured out why NFS wasn't working between my SME server and the client box.....it had to do with hosts.deny being set for ALL:ALL Doh! Wish I'd looked there sooner. Anyway...now to step two. My goal is to rig a server that can function as or similar to a Samba/LDAP server. My thought is this....SME has Samba quite well integrated....and I know that if you change the password in SME it changes for both Samba and Unix (or at least AFAIK). So...assuming that...what's to prevent me from using authconfig to authenticate via Linux for K12LTSP and Samba to authenticate via Windows to the PDC (on SME) and then simply export the home dir via NFS...mount it on my K12LTSP server just like I do now with my current Samba/LDAP server? Please let me know if you think this'll work...and point out any gotcha's before I head too far down this road. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed Apr 14 05:20:21 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:20:21 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Free/Open Souce Software Implementation Survey Message-ID: As part of a study of Free and Open Source Software, we are conducting a survey on corporate/enterprise - including educational - experience with implementation of systems using FOSS. A pilot study revealed that our original questionnaire was too long for most respondents, and so we have produced a new shorter questionnaire that should take only five minutes or so to complete (although the full-length questionnaire is still available for those who really want to help!). I'd like to invite you to take part in the survey. All respondents who provide contact details (email, particularly) will receive a short report detailing key findings. All data will be kept confidential, and although the questionnaire requests contact and demographic data, all data will be de-identified before use. The survey questionnaire can be found at http://www.lesbell.com.au/fosssrvy.nsf Thank you, Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 14 07:20:41 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:20:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! NFS working in SME...on to step two In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081927241.32092.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 23:22, David Trask wrote: > Ok...after much head banging and guesswork I finally figured out why NFS > wasn't working between my SME server and the client box.....it had to do > with hosts.deny being set for ALL:ALL Hosts.allow is checked first so if you had the right entries there it should have worked. Regardless, the SME server rebuilds the config files every time you touch something in it's web admin interface and every Sunday morning, so you will have to make custom templates to keep any changes. > Doh! Wish I'd looked there sooner. Anyway...now to step two. My goal > is to rig a server that can function as or similar to a Samba/LDAP server. > My thought is this....SME has Samba quite well integrated....and I know > that if you change the password in SME it changes for both Samba and Unix > (or at least AFAIK). So...assuming that...what's to prevent me from using > authconfig to authenticate via Linux for K12LTSP and Samba to authenticate > via Windows to the PDC (on SME) and then simply export the home dir via > NFS...mount it on my K12LTSP server just like I do now with my current > Samba/LDAP server? Please let me know if you think this'll work...and > point out any gotcha's before I head too far down this road. The only catch is the way the SME server rebuilds its configs from templates all the time. If any of the files you need to change have templates under /etc/e-smith/templates, you'll have to make a corresponding changed version under templates-custom. There is a real trade-off between having it do everything automatically and not being able to make changes easily yourself. At some point in the customization process it will become easier to start with a stock redhat/fedora system than to fight with the SME templates. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From andyr at wizzy.com Wed Apr 14 09:02:56 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:02:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] how many clients? In-Reply-To: References: <407C30CE.3030906@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <20040414090256.GE5568@wizzy.com> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > I've got a customer running 140 ltsp clients on a single server. > > The server is a Dual P4 Xeon 2.4ghz with 4gb of ram. > > They are using Icewm for the window manager. About 70 of those > users are allowed to run Mozilla and Open Office. What is the hard drive setup ? Cheers, Andy! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 14 11:40:55 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:40:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open Source Alumnae / Fundraising Software In-Reply-To: <20040414021716.56587.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040414021716.56587.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <407D2347.3090007@cmosnetworks.com> This can be done with ease with MySQL. There are several front-ends that support MySQL, including OpenOffice.org, that make using the database at least as easy as using MS Accsucks. --TP Chris Thomas wrote: >Hi all: > >I work for a small k-8 private school which has been >using K12LTSP since the 1.0 release. Thanks everyone >for helping me setup our thin client computing model. > >Next fiscal year will be the school's 60th anniversary >and the school will focus on generating money by going >after our alums. Currently the school doesn't have a >database with Alumnae/i info and the school has never >done Alumnae/i fundraising before. My question; is >there an open source software solution that can help >track Alumnae/i and their donations? I found >Blackbaud's "The Raiser's Edge" but it's not free and >I think it is designed to be used for a bigger >institution. > >Thanks for your help. > >Chris > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 14 13:07:30 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:07:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ntop Message-ID: <1081948049.1372.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Ntop 3.x at http://www.ntop.org finally appears to be stable on redhat/fedora systems. If you run it on a box that can sniff all network traffic (your outbound gateway or on a switch port configured to monitor the others) it will keep summaries that you can browse in various ways through a web interface. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 14 13:37:35 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:37:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009e01c42225$a8f5c570$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Just to verify this Custom ISO adds network level antivirus protection scanning packets of information on various protocols such as smtp,pop,http,ftp,etc? I want to be sure I don't just add antivirus to a mail server or something with this. Also did you notice any network performance degredation? Thanks again -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:57 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Thanks!!! I was hoping for a packaged solution, and from what I have >seen of SME it looks like a very easy setup. I might just try that >first since I haven't had the pleasure of building a SME box yet. You'll be impressed....I actually didn't use the Custom ISO....I did the packages by hand, but even then it was a no -brainer.....very slick....I have several SME servers and all work very well. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Apr 14 12:13:40 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:13:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! NFS working in SME...on to step two In-Reply-To: <1081927241.32092.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1081927241.32092.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I agree to some degree, but I believe that once I get the templates in place....that'll take care of the NFS stuff so that would never need to change....the next issue becomes populating the exported "home dirs" with the necessary stuff to run "X". (ie: essentially the files locate in /etc/skel on a stock K12LTSP box) Any thoughts on how I might be able to export the /etc/skel directory from the K12LTSP box and then run "reset-all-desktops" for the new users that have been created? Think that might populate the folders OK? Obviously I'd have to rewrite the script to point to the proper directory since SME puts home in a diff place than just /home. Thoughts? Thinking that if I get the concept working I might be able to get someone with more know-how than I to help package it up and possible develop a panel to set the NFS stuff and possibly run something to populate the home dirs for all or individuals. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >The only catch is the way the SME server rebuilds its configs from >templates all the time. If any of the files you need to change >have templates under /etc/e-smith/templates, you'll have to make >a corresponding changed version under templates-custom. There >is a real trade-off between having it do everything automatically >and not being able to make changes easily yourself. At some point >in the customization process it will become easier to start >with a stock redhat/fedora system than to fight with the SME >templates. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed Apr 14 15:32:31 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:32:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Edit Gnome menu In-Reply-To: <1081888934.22418.6.camel@trond> References: <1081888934.22418.6.camel@trond> Message-ID: <407D598F.8030004@criticalcontrol.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm curious, since I had a fan fail and before the motherboard could shutdown the system, I lost a processor, and you wouldn't believe how hard it is to find new Athlon 1600MPs. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From penguintiz at yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 16:06:15 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] authentication issue In-Reply-To: <20040414130740.B3F6C73886@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040414160615.42984.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Have any of you run into this before? I have a dedicated box acting as an NIS server for all my Linux clients. I can login via webmin to the server to add users etc but I can't login locally from the console either as root or any other user but nis clients are receiving accurate NIS information and are logging in fine. I am sure the passwords are correct as they function through a webmin login just not through any other method. Any ideas? Thanks. Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 14 17:03:39 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:03:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Timeline for K12LTSP 4.1 Message-ID: <1081962219.21446.40.camel@server.ltsp> Fedora Core 2 & LTSP version 4.1 are both scheduled to be released on May 17th. That is just a little over a month from now. If all goes well, we'll have K12LTSP 4.1 ready on the same day. But it is going to be tough for me to hit that target. I've just been *swamped* the last two weeks or so, I'm WAY BEHIND on the K12OSN list. I will be out of town Friday->Sunday this week, and will be taking next Thursday->Sunday off for R&R (i.e. no computers or my SO will kill me). Throw in my normal 50-60 hour work week and only two weeks worth of evenings set aside for hacking, the schedule becomes a little tight ;-) As I have stated in the past, I really prefer to keep the K12LTSP development work on the main k12osn at redhat.com mailing list. But since I'm going to have difficultly keeping up, I set up a temporary list where K12LTSP 4.1 bug reports & feature request may be sent w/o the risk of me missing them: k12ltsp-devel at mesd.k12.or.us http://mailman.mesd.k12.or.us/mailman/listinfo/k12ltsp-devel This is an open list that is archived, you don't need to be subscribed to send an email to the list. Please keep sending emails to the K12OSN list, but CC the k12ltsp-devel at mesd.k12.or.us list if it pertains to K12LTSP 4.1 development. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From penguintiz at yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 17:20:16 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Authentication problem solved In-Reply-To: <20040412160016.9311974005@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040414172016.81729.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Right after I sent my last post I solved my authentication problem. Not too long ago, I was trying to do something with ldap authentication and had made an edit in PAM related to LDAP. I was called away before I was able to test and then was out of the building for a few days. Once I remarked the references from /etc/pam.d/system-auth, everything was fine. Hopefully my discovery will help someone else if they create a similar problem for themselves. Thanks. Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From kjetil at knudsen.gs Wed Apr 14 17:28:10 2004 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:28:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU Temps Message-ID: <5b9201c42245$db4868a0$74cb010a@mail2world.com> I have Athlon MP 2400 in a server and the temperature here is about is 140-150F Kjetil <-----Original Message-----> From: Eric Feldhusen Sent: 14/4/2004 5:46:31 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CPU Temps Just curious, does anyone here have Athlon MP 1600-2000 in a server? What cpu temps are you seeing with lm_sensors? I'm seeing a consistant 168-170F, but I'm not sure if that's high for these processors, normal, or low? I'm curious, since I had a fan fail and before the motherboard could shutdown the system, I lost a processor, and you wouldn't believe how hard it is to find new Athlon 1600MPs. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tim at litwiller.net Wed Apr 14 18:25:11 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:25:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall In-Reply-To: <009e01c42225$a8f5c570$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <009e01c42225$a8f5c570$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <407D8207.3000309@litwiller.net> I don't believe that it does that. At least my tests don't indicate that it does. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Just to verify this Custom ISO adds network level antivirus protection >scanning packets of information on various protocols such as >smtp,pop,http,ftp,etc? I want to be sure I don't just add antivirus to >a mail server or something with this. Also did you notice any network >performance degredation? > >Thanks again > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of David Trask >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:57 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Cc: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall > > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: > > >>Thanks!!! I was hoping for a packaged solution, and from what I have >>seen of SME it looks like a very easy setup. I might just try that >>first since I haven't had the pleasure of building a SME box yet. >> >> > >You'll be impressed....I actually didn't use the Custom ISO....I did the >packages by hand, but even then it was a no -brainer.....very slick....I >have several SME servers and all work very well. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 14 18:41:56 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:41:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall In-Reply-To: <407D8207.3000309@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <00ce01c42250$2cc6f160$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Crap :-) but it should work for other projects I am working on. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Tim Litwiller Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:25 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall I don't believe that it does that. At least my tests don't indicate that it does. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Just to verify this Custom ISO adds network level antivirus protection >scanning packets of information on various protocols such as >smtp,pop,http,ftp,etc? I want to be sure I don't just add antivirus to >a mail server or something with this. Also did you notice any network >performance degredation? > >Thanks again > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of David Trask >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:57 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Cc: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall > > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: > > >>Thanks!!! I was hoping for a packaged solution, and from what I have >>seen of SME it looks like a very easy setup. I might just try that >>first since I haven't had the pleasure of building a SME box yet. >> >> > >You'll be impressed....I actually didn't use the Custom ISO....I did >the packages by hand, but even then it was a no -brainer.....very >slick....I have several SME servers and all work very well. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 14 19:02:13 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:02:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anti-Virus Firewall In-Reply-To: <009e01c42225$a8f5c570$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <009e01c42225$a8f5c570$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1081969333.10026.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 08:37, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Just to verify this Custom ISO adds network level antivirus protection > scanning packets of information on various protocols such as > smtp,pop,http,ftp,etc? I want to be sure I don't just add antivirus to > a mail server or something with this. Also did you notice any network > performance degredation? If it hooks to squid, you should get scanning on everything that is proxied by squid, which can be http and ftp. Smtp should be handled by MimeDefang or similar application-aware processing and pop should already be safe if you scan during smtp delivery. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 14 20:39:46 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:39:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! NFS working in SME...on to step two In-Reply-To: References: <1081927241.32092.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1081975186.10026.36.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 07:13, David Trask wrote: > I agree to some degree, but I believe that once I get the templates in > place....that'll take care of the NFS stuff so that would never need to > change.... Perhaps, but 'never' is sort of wishful thinking. If you had changed firewalling in the templates for /etc/rc.d/init.d/masq you would have found that it changed drastically between v5.5, 5.6 and 6.x. The point of using SME is that you don't need to understand the Linux config files but if you want to change anything you not only have to understand how a stock system would work but you need to know enough shell and perl scripting to write the templates to build that config file you were trying to avoid. > the next issue becomes populating the exported "home dirs" with > the necessary stuff to run "X". (ie: essentially the files locate in > /etc/skel on a stock K12LTSP box) Any thoughts on how I might be able to > export the /etc/skel directory from the K12LTSP box and then run > "reset-all-desktops" for the new users that have been created? Think that > might populate the folders OK? Obviously I'd have to rewrite the script > to point to the proper directory since SME puts home in a diff place than > just /home. Thoughts? Thinking that if I get the concept working I might > be able to get someone with more know-how than I to help package it up and > possible develop a panel to set the NFS stuff and possibly run something > to populate the home dirs for all or individuals. That part is pretty straightforward - you can use scp or 'rsync -e ssh' to copy things between systems. However you are going to have to create a home directory on the SME server and add them to LDAP and perhaps to the k12ltsp server for every user. This would make a lot more sense if the SME server's LDAP could be modified to maintain the PosixAccount and SambaAccount schemas that you need for site-wide authentication so everything could be done in one place through the SME web admin interface. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us Wed Apr 14 21:56:47 2004 From: LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us (Larry Mateo) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:56:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] General bash and gawk question. Message-ID: Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) Kernel: 2.4.18-3smp GNU bash, version 2.05a.0(1)-release (i686-pc-linux-gnu) GNU Awk 3.1.0 I'm new to shell programming, and have a question to which I cannot find an answer despite my searching various manuals and the internet. Is it possible to populate array variables from within the gawk portion of a bash script, and then make the array values accessible by succeeding lines outside of the gawk code but within the same bash script? For example: *** Start example script *** #!/bin/sh #Perform some initial shell commands clear blah blahblah blahblahblah # Read some values from a file via gawk; placing them into an array gawk ' BEGIN { printf "Starting gawk portion of shell scipt..." } /match some pattern/ {populate the array} END { printf "Completed gawk portion of shell script..."} ' someintputfile.txt # Finished with the gawk code, now I want to use the values from within # the array that was populated via gawk. # Can this be done? *** End example script *** Thanks much. Larry Mateo Network Technician II Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Wed Apr 14 23:17:01 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:17:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] This is nuts! Samba/ldap almost fixed Message-ID: Ok.. Well I think I figured out my problem. To recap samba 2.X will auth against my ldap server no problem. Samba 3 would not unless I reset the password. When I looked closer at the account records I saw something fishy. Heres a record before I change the password dn: uid=lalove06,ou=People,dc=newberg,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us lmPassword: B1EBCC9F275C9249AAD3B435B51404EE ntPassword: 66CB16385594ECEC0C60B4A70570E2CA Now after I change the password. dn: uid=lalove06,ou=People,dc=newberg,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us ntPassword: B1EBCC9F275C9249AAD3B435B51404EE lmPassword: 66CB16385594ECEC0C60B4A70570E2CA See how the nt and lm passwords look the same.. Well they are. Except they are SWITCHED! WHAT THE HECK? So it seems samba 2.x with auth against either record (passwords switched ot not). Samba 3 will only auth against the one record. So I guess the problem is solved. Almost... I still would like to know how this happened. Also my biggest concern it now I have to swap these for 3000 accounts. If anyone wants to chime in on that one let me know ;) Jamie From bskahan at etria.com Thu Apr 15 00:27:24 2004 From: bskahan at etria.com (bskahan at etria.com) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:27:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Edit Gnome menu In-Reply-To: <407D598F.8030004@criticalcontrol.com> References: <1081888934.22418.6.camel@trond> <407D598F.8030004@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <20040415002724.GB3446@etria.com> The gnome menu system is built with gnome-vfs, and generated from the *.desktop files in /usr/share/applications. To edit it log in as root, or run nautilus as root. go the url applications-all-users:/// This will give you a nautilus view of the applications menu. You can rearrange it by drag-n-drop. I haven't checked gnome 2.4 (what's in k12ltsp 4) but it works for gnome 2.6. Gnome 2.6 has a number of new "lock down" features that are extremely useful in a lab environment. Now if gconf would only get group level control it would be gold. hth, -Brian -- Brian P. Skahan e: bskahan at etria.com Partner, Desktop Applications Lead p: 410-837-3992 http://www.etria.com c: 410-370-7706 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us Wed Apr 14 23:16:09 2004 From: jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:16:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] This is nuts! Samba/ldap almost fixed Message-ID: Ok.. Well I think I figured out my problem. To recap samba 2.X will auth against my ldap server no problem. Samba 3 would not unless I reset the password. When I looked closer at the account records I saw something fishy. Heres a record before I change the password dn: uid=lalove06,ou=People,dc=newberg,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us lmPassword: B1EBCC9F275C9249AAD3B435B51404EE ntPassword: 66CB16385594ECEC0C60B4A70570E2CA Now after I change the password. dn: uid=lalove06,ou=People,dc=newberg,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us ntPassword: B1EBCC9F275C9249AAD3B435B51404EE lmPassword: 66CB16385594ECEC0C60B4A70570E2CA See how the nt and lm passwords look the same.. Well they are. Except they are SWITCHED! WHAT THE HECK? So it seems samba 2.x with auth against either record (passwords switched ot not). Samba 3 will only auth against the one record. So I guess the problem is solved. Almost... I still would like to know how this happened. Also my biggest concern it now I have to swap these for 3000 accounts. If anyone wants to chime in on that one let me know ;) Jamie From madsen at vijit.com Thu Apr 15 01:22:50 2004 From: madsen at vijit.com (madsen at vijit.com) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:22:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] A different authentication issue Message-ID: <20040415012250.20382.qmail@eunited.vijit.com> Reading about a previous poster's authentication issue (for which I'm sorry to say I have no answer), I was reminded of a problem I've sorta been ignoring. Students are using a Novell server and I want to migrate them to LTSP or a "conventional" [Linux] PC as appropriate. That's not an issue. But Novell Border Manager is used to keep track of who to allow onto the Internet. Once they log in to the main Novell server, the Border Manager knows about the login and can check to see if they're allowed to use the 'net, too. Some students' parents have signed Internet permission slips, and some have not. Lower grades aren't permitted to access the Internet anyway. This means we have to allow selective Internet access based on human identity, not IP address or some other machine characteristic. I suppose something could be hacked to "fix" the default route in the routing table in a "conventional" Linux environment, but that still leaves the control on the client (end-user) machine. I don't see this as too smart, as end-user ingenuity could be used to defeat this. It would be better to have something more "central" that the kids couldn't get to acting as gatekeeper. Does anyone know of any facility (in either an LTSP or "conventional" Linux environment) to do this? All/any suggestions welcome! Dave Madsen ---dcm madsen at vijit.com From shahms at shahms.com Thu Apr 15 01:43:14 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms E. King) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:43:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] This is nuts! Samba/ldap almost fixed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081993394.23143.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> > WHAT THE HECK? > > So it seems samba 2.x with auth against either record (passwords switched ot > not). Samba 3 will only auth against the one record. > > So I guess the problem is solved. Almost... I still would like to know how > this happened. Also my biggest concern it now I have to swap these for 3000 > accounts. > > If anyone wants to chime in on that one let me know ;) > > Jamie Jamie, Indeed Samba 2.x will authenticate off of either hash (and in fact, checks them both). Yes, it's a mild security and, in this case, hides a more insidious problem. We actually have the same problem (which is one more reason we're still using Samba 2.2), compounded by the fact that both hashes look almost identical (/[A-F0-9]{32}/ if you want a regex to describe it ;-P), some, but not all of our user records have the passwords switched. In your case (if you're certain that *all* of the hashes are backwards), it's relatively simple to script. I can whip up a small shell script tomorrow and post it if you'd like. Alternatively, I might be able to whip up a patch to the Samba 2.x LDAP code to fix it "automagically" when a user logs in. I'm not sure if that's actually doable (it's been a while since I wrote the code...), but I imagine it is. The downside is you have to stick with your current setup until all of your users have logged in once... -- --Shahms -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Apr 15 01:53:44 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:53:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A different authentication issue In-Reply-To: <20040415012250.20382.qmail@eunited.vijit.com> References: <20040415012250.20382.qmail@eunited.vijit.com> Message-ID: <407DEB28.7010700@cfl.rr.com> You might try Webmin, here's a excerpt from the Squid Access Control Help Section, might be what you're after, looks like you can allow filtered on user and/or group. Access Control ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Access control lists: ACLs are lists of terms to be matched using regulard expressions of literal expressions. An ACL may also be a file that contains one item or regular expression per line. The ACL box on this page has several fields which may be edited. New ACLs may also be created. The fields present are: Name is the name by which the ACL can be identified. When creating a Proxy Restriction this is the name used to define what is being restricted. Type is the type of information that the ACL is to be matched against. Matching.. is the address, port, URL, user, etc. that the ACL will be matching to. Proxy restrictions: Proxy restrictions are rules that either allow or deny a given request based on whether its ACL matches the specifics of the reuqest. There are three fields in this box. Action is either allow or deny. ACLs are the ACLs that will be matched against to decide whether the request is allowed or denied. If prepended by an exclamation point the ACL will be negated, in other words everything except members of that ACL will be allowed or denied. Move allows the order of restrictions in the list. The order in which they appear is important, because Squid only reads the list until it has found the first match. ICP restrictions: This box is for restricting ICP requests. ICP requests are requests from other neighbor caches. This section work the same as Proxy restrictions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ madsen at vijit.com wrote: >Reading about a previous poster's authentication issue (for which I'm >sorry to say I have no answer), I was reminded of a problem I've sorta >been ignoring. > >Students are using a Novell server and I want to migrate them to >LTSP or a "conventional" [Linux] PC as appropriate. That's not an issue. > >But Novell Border Manager is used to keep track of who to allow onto the >Internet. Once they log in to the main Novell server, the Border Manager >knows about the login and can check to see if they're allowed to use the >'net, too. Some students' parents have signed Internet permission slips, >and some have not. Lower grades aren't permitted to access the Internet >anyway. This means we have to allow selective Internet access based on >human identity, not IP address or some other machine characteristic. > >I suppose something could be hacked to "fix" the default route in >the routing table in a "conventional" Linux environment, but that still >leaves the control on the client (end-user) machine. I don't see this >as too smart, as end-user ingenuity could be used to defeat this. It >would be better to have something more "central" that the kids couldn't >get to acting as gatekeeper. > >Does anyone know of any facility (in either an LTSP or "conventional" >Linux environment) to do this? > >All/any suggestions welcome! > >Dave Madsen ---dcm >madsen at vijit.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Apr 15 01:50:32 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:50:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU Temps In-Reply-To: <407D5BAB.9070404@chartermi.net> References: <407D5BAB.9070404@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <407DEA68.3090105@cmosnetworks.com> Eric Feldhusen wrote: > Just curious, does anyone here have Athlon MP 1600-2000 in a server? > What cpu temps are you seeing with lm_sensors? I'm seeing a > consistant 168-170F, but I'm not sure if that's high for these > processors, normal, or low? > > I'm curious, since I had a fan fail and before the motherboard could > shutdown the system, I lost a processor, and you wouldn't believe how > hard it is to find new Athlon 1600MPs. > Mine's got twin Athlon 1700+'s (I also have one w/ 1.2GHz CPUs). I haven't measured my CPU temps w/ lm_sensors, but I can tell you how I keep my CPUs cool. I use high-quality--and big--copper heatsinks w/ a little bit of heat grease with any Athlon at any time; CoolerMaster makes a good unit, the HHC-L61, which I use, and there are other good ones. If this sounds like overkill, know that I've never had a CPU burn up on me...ever...and I've had fans die on me before back in the K6 days. The other thing you might want to make sure of is that air flow through the case is good, just in case a fan does die on you. I generally run three fans in my cases--one on the power supply, one on the front of the case, and one on the back, right between the AGP slot and the PSU (no, it really isn't very noisy at all). I also am careful to tuck my cables out of the way of the airflow path to the CPUs. Then, at least the airflow through the case, coupled with the quality copper heatsink, will keep the CPU cool enough for the mobo to have time to shut the system down. As for finding Athlon 1600MPs, I just checked www.pricewatch.com, and I couldn't find them either. If you're on a tight budget, you might consider picking up a couple of Athlon MP 1.2GHz chips. The method to this apparent madness is that they're $38 apiece if you check PriceWatch (I got mine for $35 each). By contrast, Athlon MP 1800+'s are $84 a pop. I have found that the 1.2GHz chips are plenty fast enough. Just another option to consider. --TP From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 15 02:40:57 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:40:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] General bash and gawk question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081996856.2851.22.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 16:56, Larry Mateo wrote: > I'm new to shell programming, and have a question to which I cannot find an answer despite my searching various manuals and the internet. > > Is it possible to populate array variables from within the gawk portion of a bash script, and then make the array values accessible by succeeding lines outside of the gawk code but within the same bash script? > Not directly - programs run as parts of a script can't change variables in their parent process. Generally they write to their standard output and the shell either executes the progam in a way that reads the output into a variable, expands it into the next command line, or pipes it into the input of the next program. There are size limits on the first two. If you need more than that you might be better off using perl which can do everything awk can do plus everything the shell can do and then some. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tim at litwiller.net Thu Apr 15 02:29:24 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:29:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A different authentication issue In-Reply-To: <20040415012250.20382.qmail@eunited.vijit.com> References: <20040415012250.20382.qmail@eunited.vijit.com> Message-ID: <407DF384.9050806@litwiller.net> If you are wanting to replace Border Manager and your filter entirely a very nice authenticating web filter is censornet. from censornet.com. It allows authentication by user, group, workstation or room. madsen at vijit.com wrote: >Reading about a previous poster's authentication issue (for which I'm >sorry to say I have no answer), I was reminded of a problem I've sorta >been ignoring. > >Students are using a Novell server and I want to migrate them to >LTSP or a "conventional" [Linux] PC as appropriate. That's not an issue. > >But Novell Border Manager is used to keep track of who to allow onto the >Internet. Once they log in to the main Novell server, the Border Manager >knows about the login and can check to see if they're allowed to use the >'net, too. Some students' parents have signed Internet permission slips, >and some have not. Lower grades aren't permitted to access the Internet >anyway. This means we have to allow selective Internet access based on >human identity, not IP address or some other machine characteristic. > >I suppose something could be hacked to "fix" the default route in >the routing table in a "conventional" Linux environment, but that still >leaves the control on the client (end-user) machine. I don't see this >as too smart, as end-user ingenuity could be used to defeat this. It >would be better to have something more "central" that the kids couldn't >get to acting as gatekeeper. > >Does anyone know of any facility (in either an LTSP or "conventional" >Linux environment) to do this? > >All/any suggestions welcome! > >Dave Madsen ---dcm >madsen at vijit.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 15 06:02:22 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:02:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A different authentication issue In-Reply-To: <407DF384.9050806@litwiller.net> References: <20040415012250.20382.qmail@eunited.vijit.com> <407DF384.9050806@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <04041502034700.01811@newguy> this may be really off the wall but in our environment if a person is prohbited from using the internet, they are not given a web browser in their .icewm session...chuck From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 15 13:19:05 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:19:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ifconfig question Message-ID: <00fd01c422ec$3d7b6620$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> This seems like it should be stupidly simple and I hate to even ask, but, I am configuring a Intel Pro1000MT Dual Port Server Adapter in WBEL and am trying to enable ALB. I put the card in, loaded the drivers from the Intel CD, loaded iANS from the CD, configured the team with the ianstool and when I do ifconfig I see my eth0, eth1, and my new virtual adaptor of team1 anlong with lo. My problem is configuring the IP, netmask, gateway, etc for the new virtual adaptor. I usually configure the interfaces from the Network utility that comes with the distro because unfortunately I am still gui dependant (trying to quit). The new virtual adaptor team1 does not show up here. I can issue # ifconfig team1 10.6.1.15 netmask 255.255.0.0 broadcast 10.6.255.255 and do a # ifconfig and see my can the settings successfully. I am able to ping the local address 10.6.1.15 and out to my router interface of 10.6.0.1, but am unable to get to the outside world becuase I recieve a "Destination unreachable" or something. I am sure this is because I don't know how to assign a gateway at the command line. The next problem is the settings do not "stick", if I restart the network or the machine and do a # ifconfig the settings dissappear and I have to start all over. So how do I save the info once it is set? Or can I just edit some /etc/something file manually to make it stick? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patmo98 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 15 14:41:58 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 07:41:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ifconfig question In-Reply-To: <00fd01c422ec$3d7b6620$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00fd01c422ec$3d7b6620$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <407E9F36.90602@yahoo.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > The next problem is the settings do not "stick", if I restart the > network or the machine and do a > # ifconfig > the settings dissappear and I have to start all over. So how do I > save the info once it is set? Or can I just edit some /etc/something > file manually to make it stick? > > Thanks Try looking in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 15 14:44:53 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:44:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ifconfig question In-Reply-To: <00fd01c422ec$3d7b6620$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <011f01c422f8$39eb6b20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Nevermind, I found it. Just edited the etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/team1 scripts with the necessary info and whalla! I at least feel redeemed that I was able to answer my own stupid question. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:19 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] ifconfig question This seems like it should be stupidly simple and I hate to even ask, but, I am configuring a Intel Pro1000MT Dual Port Server Adapter in WBEL and am trying to enable ALB. I put the card in, loaded the drivers from the Intel CD, loaded iANS from the CD, configured the team with the ianstool and when I do ifconfig I see my eth0, eth1, and my new virtual adaptor of team1 anlong with lo. My problem is configuring the IP, netmask, gateway, etc for the new virtual adaptor. I usually configure the interfaces from the Network utility that comes with the distro because unfortunately I am still gui dependant (trying to quit). The new virtual adaptor team1 does not show up here. I can issue # ifconfig team1 10.6.1.15 netmask 255.255.0.0 broadcast 10.6.255.255 and do a # ifconfig and see my can the settings successfully. I am able to ping the local address 10.6.1.15 and out to my router interface of 10.6.0.1, but am unable to get to the outside world becuase I recieve a "Destination unreachable" or something. I am sure this is because I don't know how to assign a gateway at the command line. The next problem is the settings do not "stick", if I restart the network or the machine and do a # ifconfig the settings dissappear and I have to start all over. So how do I save the info once it is set? Or can I just edit some /etc/something file manually to make it stick? Thanks From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 15 14:58:23 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:58:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ifconfig question In-Reply-To: <011f01c422f8$39eb6b20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <011f01c422f8$39eb6b20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1082041102.12438.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 09:44, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Nevermind, I found it. Just edited the > etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/team1 scripts with the necessary info and > whalla! > > I at least feel redeemed that I was able to answer my own stupid > question. It used to be that easy for all interfaces, but somewhere around RH8 they introduced the /etc/sysconfig/networking directory and its devices and profiles subdirectories. The GUI tool populates these directories and if they exist they override the network-scripts copies at least under some conditions. It is probably documented somewhere but I haven't found a good description of how to undo changes made and saved in the GUI from the command line. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From a.nera at didasca.it Thu Apr 15 15:32:57 2004 From: a.nera at didasca.it (Angelo Nera) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:32:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] MySQL installation Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040415172704.01c84db8@80.16.185.140> Dear Friends, 1. As a root user I have installed 'MySQL-server' and 'unixODBC' from K12LTSP-4 package. 2. I would like to allow all the users of the net to use MySQL and store their own databases in their folders, the same way that OpenOffice.org does with Writer, Calc, ... Can someboby help me ? Thanks a lot ! Angelo Nera --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIDASCA The First Italian Cyber Schools for Lifelong Learning Via Ragazzi del 99 n. 19 I-23100 Sondrio So (Italy) T: +39 0342 513351 F: +39 0342 514953 U: http://www.didasca.it From barry at yellowdog.com Thu Apr 15 17:02:17 2004 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:02:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A different authentication issue Message-ID: <407EC019.1010709@yellowdog.com> NDS and squid ----------------- We used to have a Bordermanager box and would control access to the net through NDS groups. Essentially, if you were in the "Internet_Users" group then BorderManager let you use the net. It worked very well for 3 or 4 years. We now use squid proxy and have it authenticate to Novell through LDAP. Read this pdf for the general details: http://www.madriver.k12.oh.us/technology/whitepapers/squid-edirectory.pdf Check last weeks archives from this newsgroup, too. I had described how we use squid to authenticate users from the very same "Internet_Users" group that we used for BorderManager. The only difference squid made for the users is that now they have to authenticate when a browser is opened for the first time. Bordermanager handled that task for them in the background. Luckily, though, the authentication squid asks for is the exact same name and password that they use to login to Netware. We don't have a particulary computer literate group of users where I work yet there were very few issues getting people up and running. When some of them whinned about the extra effort, we just told them that the money saved by changing to the new product will probably go towards savings somebody's job. That made most of them reasonably tolerant of the new authentication "hassle". Squid has been our primary proxy for about 8 months now. It would be a tough call to say which system (squid or BorderManager) was faster or had better uptime. They both are excellent. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 15 18:00:47 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:00:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MySQL installation In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040415172704.01c84db8@80.16.185.140> Message-ID: <015201c42313$97814a00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I see nobody has responded yet, and I am no expert, but here is what I think I know. In my experience MySQL has its own set of users independent of the OS. Each user is assigned by Database administrators manually and the permissions for each user are individually assigned to each database, table, etc. In my opinion I wouldn't think that you could give a separate instance of MySQL to each individual user with full control over it and have it reside in their user folder just because of how it is structured and handles permissions. I may of course be way out of line with my answer. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Angelo Nera Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:33 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] MySQL installation Dear Friends, 1. As a root user I have installed 'MySQL-server' and 'unixODBC' from K12LTSP-4 package. 2. I would like to allow all the users of the net to use MySQL and store their own databases in their folders, the same way that OpenOffice.org does with Writer, Calc, ... Can someboby help me ? Thanks a lot ! Angelo Nera ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- DIDASCA The First Italian Cyber Schools for Lifelong Learning Via Ragazzi del 99 n. 19 I-23100 Sondrio So (Italy) T: +39 0342 513351 F: +39 0342 514953 U: http://www.didasca.it _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 15 18:40:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:40:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MySQL installation In-Reply-To: <015201c42313$97814a00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <015201c42313$97814a00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1082054436.18840.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 13:00, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I see nobody has responded yet, and I am no expert, but here is what I > think I know. > > In my experience MySQL has its own set of users independent of the OS. > Each user is assigned by Database administrators manually and the > permissions for each user are individually assigned to each database, > table, etc. In my opinion I wouldn't think that you could give a > separate instance of MySQL to each individual user with full control > over it and have it reside in their user folder just because of how it > is structured and handles permissions. I may of course be way out of > line with my answer. Good luck. It should be possible to run multiple instances of mysql, each started with a different my.cnf location specified on the command line and the my.cnf specifying different locations for the data directory and socket and a different tcp port number for access. However it is probably not worth the trouble compared to having someone create all the users in the system mysql and a few databases that they can control. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 15 18:51:29 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:51:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MySQL installation In-Reply-To: <1082054436.18840.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <015c01c4231a$ace49580$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I would have to agree with Les, I didn't think of that. But yeah, that would be a major pain and require a lot of user training. Maybe there is a way to sync local users with the MySQL user base to at least eliminate a couple steps, then all you would need to do is set permissions, but I doubt it. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:41 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] MySQL installation On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 13:00, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I see nobody has responded yet, and I am no expert, but here is what I > think I know. > > In my experience MySQL has its own set of users independent of the OS. > Each user is assigned by Database administrators manually and the > permissions for each user are individually assigned to each database, > table, etc. In my opinion I wouldn't think that you could give a > separate instance of MySQL to each individual user with full control > over it and have it reside in their user folder just because of how it > is structured and handles permissions. I may of course be way out of > line with my answer. Good luck. It should be possible to run multiple instances of mysql, each started with a different my.cnf location specified on the command line and the my.cnf specifying different locations for the data directory and socket and a different tcp port number for access. However it is probably not worth the trouble compared to having someone create all the users in the system mysql and a few databases that they can control. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Thu Apr 15 18:48:50 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:48:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] This is nuts! Samba/ldap almost fixed In-Reply-To: <1081993394.23143.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hey! Someone in the same boat I am HAHA! I am pretty sure all my passwords are backwards. (how did that happen?) Could you post the script that would switch them for me? I'm not so good with the perl... Need to get back on that perl in 24 hours book ;) I would try the other way but it will be years till everyone logs in. We only have about 20% of the kids even using the servers, and most of them on on Macs in the labs. Thanks, Jamie On 4/14/04 6:43 PM, "Shahms E. King" wrote: > >> WHAT THE HECK? >> >> So it seems samba 2.x with auth against either record (passwords switched ot >> not). Samba 3 will only auth against the one record. >> >> So I guess the problem is solved. Almost... I still would like to know how >> this happened. Also my biggest concern it now I have to swap these for 3000 >> accounts. >> >> If anyone wants to chime in on that one let me know ;) >> >> Jamie > > Jamie, > > Indeed Samba 2.x will authenticate off of either hash (and in fact, > checks them both). Yes, it's a mild security and, in this case, hides a > more insidious problem. We actually have the same problem (which is one > more reason we're still using Samba 2.2), compounded by the fact that > both hashes look almost identical (/[A-F0-9]{32}/ if you want a regex to > describe it ;-P), some, but not all of our user records have the > passwords switched. In your case (if you're certain that *all* of the > hashes are backwards), it's relatively simple to script. > > I can whip up a small shell script tomorrow and post it if you'd like. > Alternatively, I might be able to whip up a patch to the Samba 2.x LDAP > code to fix it "automagically" when a user logs in. I'm not sure if > that's actually doable (it's been a while since I wrote the code...), > but I imagine it is. The downside is you have to stick with your > current setup until all of your users have logged in once... - Jamie From julius at turtle.com Thu Apr 15 19:04:25 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Timeline for K12LTSP 4.1 In-Reply-To: <1081962219.21446.40.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Fedora Core 2 & LTSP version 4.1 are both scheduled to be released on > May 17th. That is just a little over a month from now. If all goes well, > we'll have K12LTSP 4.1 ready on the same day. > > But it is going to be tough for me to hit that target. I've just been > *swamped* the last two weeks or so, I'm WAY BEHIND on the K12OSN list. I > will be out of town Friday->Sunday this week, and will be taking next > Thursday->Sunday off for R&R (i.e. no computers or my SO will kill me). > > Throw in my normal 50-60 hour work week and only two weeks worth of > evenings set aside for hacking, the schedule becomes a little tight ;-) > > As I have stated in the past, I really prefer to keep the K12LTSP > development work on the main k12osn at redhat.com mailing list. But since > I'm going to have difficultly keeping up, I set up a temporary list > where K12LTSP 4.1 bug reports & feature request may be sent w/o the risk > of me missing them: > > k12ltsp-devel at mesd.k12.or.us > http://mailman.mesd.k12.or.us/mailman/listinfo/k12ltsp-devel > > This is an open list that is archived, you don't need to be subscribed > to send an email to the list. Please keep sending emails to the K12OSN > list, but CC the k12ltsp-devel at mesd.k12.or.us list if it pertains to > K12LTSP 4.1 development. > > -Eric > Well, I tried to install the 4.1-pre on my new sony laptop (pcg-z1wap), but the installation craps out very early on when it asks me for the driver, as it is unable to find any acceptable disk. Install of 4.0.0 went fine, upgrade from it still demands a driver. The ide hardware is intel 82801 dbm ultra ata storage controller, the disk is a plain 2.5 toshiba 80GB. Any suggestions are welcome, as I'd love to start playing withe the new stuff. julius From kevin at ross.kunaschools.org Thu Apr 15 19:34:39 2004 From: kevin at ross.kunaschools.org (Kevin Christensen) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:34:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Processor max'ed out Message-ID: <199788E52C0@ross.kunaschools.org> Hi all, I have a server running with about 40 clients on it (specs below). The server has run flawlessly for 220 days. Then all of a sudden the processors are running at a 100% and the server is slower that dirt. I powered off 10 of the terminals and it dropped to about 30%. The other terminals were on but not logged in. I have not rebooted the server yet because I don't want to ruin my 220 day uptime. Bragging rights ya know! I thought maybe the ram was being used up but I still have almost 400 megs aviable. Server specs: Dual Xeon 2.6g 4 gig pc2100 Raid 5 with 3 36 gig hard drives Any ideas? Thanks Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 15 19:40:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:40:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Processor max'ed out In-Reply-To: <199788E52C0@ross.kunaschools.org> References: <199788E52C0@ross.kunaschools.org> Message-ID: <1082058021.18840.81.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 14:34, Kevin Christensen wrote: > I have a server running with about 40 clients on it (specs below). The > server has run flawlessly for 220 days. Then all of a sudden the > processors are running at a 100% and the server is slower that dirt. I > powered off 10 of the terminals and it dropped to about 30%. The other > terminals were on but not logged in. I have not rebooted the server > yet because I don?t want to ruin my 220 day uptime. Bragging rights ya > know! I thought maybe the ram was being used up but I still have > almost 400 megs aviable. 'top' should show you the processes that are consuming the most CPU. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 15 20:04:41 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:04:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Processor max'ed out In-Reply-To: <1082058021.18840.81.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <016201c42324$e63e8bb0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Is it possible with LTSP that a bad client NIC could cause such a thing, I know they can bring an entire network to its knees if one starts pumping out bad packets. Maybe try bringing up terminals one at a time and see if any certain one causes a larger jump in usage? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:40 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Processor max'ed out On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 14:34, Kevin Christensen wrote: > I have a server running with about 40 clients on it (specs below). The > server has run flawlessly for 220 days. Then all of a sudden the > processors are running at a 100% and the server is slower that dirt. I > powered off 10 of the terminals and it dropped to about 30%. The other > terminals were on but not logged in. I have not rebooted the server > yet because I don't want to ruin my 220 day uptime. Bragging rights ya > know! I thought maybe the ram was being used up but I still have > almost 400 megs aviable. 'top' should show you the processes that are consuming the most CPU. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 15 20:05:48 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:05:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] proc maxed out Message-ID: <002f01c42325$0fc2c000$1803010a@paasda.org> I just set up a small lab in our library. amd 2000+ like 1.2mhz or something 1 gig of ram 40 gig ide hd. lj4000 printer connected to the server.. and with 4 clients connected ... 3 browsing the web... 1 printing pics from the web.. and 1 playing gnuchess... server either dies...seizes up or just slows to the speeds of those old punch card programs =) So...think'n of smack'n 'em with IceWM(maybe even lite)... and needing to figure out how to remove 90% of the games... I noticed that some of them are very cpu/memory friendly...while others hog as much as they can grab. --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 15 21:46:09 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:46:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Edit Gnome menu In-Reply-To: <20040415002724.GB3446@etria.com> Message-ID: <003d01c42333$11fe4fc0$1803010a@paasda.org> I tried this and got nothing in nautilus :( Possibly because of gnome 2.4? applications-all-users:/// Just showed a blank screen for me... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of bskahan at etria.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:27 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Edit Gnome menu The gnome menu system is built with gnome-vfs, and generated from the *.desktop files in /usr/share/applications. To edit it log in as root, or run nautilus as root. go the url applications-all-users:/// This will give you a nautilus view of the applications menu. You can rearrange it by drag-n-drop. I haven't checked gnome 2.4 (what's in k12ltsp 4) but it works for gnome 2.6. Gnome 2.6 has a number of new "lock down" features that are extremely useful in a lab environment. Now if gconf would only get group level control it would be gold. hth, -Brian -- Brian P. Skahan e: bskahan at etria.com Partner, Desktop Applications Lead p: 410-837-3992 http://www.etria.com c: 410-370-7706 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 16 00:51:35 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:51:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] proc maxed out In-Reply-To: <002f01c42325$0fc2c000$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <002f01c42325$0fc2c000$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <407F2E17.2050504@cmosnetworks.com> That should be enough to power what you're describing with ease, even with your users running full-blown GNOME or KDE. What does top show before the slowdown/seizure, and what does it show during the slowdown? BTW, the AMD Athlon 2000+ runs at 1.67GHz. --TP Huck wrote: > I just set up a small lab in our library. > amd 2000+ like 1.2mhz or something > 1 gig of ram > 40 gig ide hd. > lj4000 printer connected to the server.. > > and with 4 clients connected ... > 3 browsing the web... > 1 printing pics from the web.. > and 1 playing gnuchess... > > server either dies...seizes up or just slows to the speeds of those > old punch card programs =) > > So...think'n of smack'n 'em with IceWM(maybe even lite)... > and needing to figure out how to remove 90% of the games... > I noticed that some of them are very cpu/memory friendly...while > others hog as much as they can grab. > > --Huck > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 16 00:56:45 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:56:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] proc maxed out In-Reply-To: <407F2E17.2050504@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000001c4234d$b0e57c20$1803010a@paasda.org> Top shows 'gs' owned by lp utilizing 60-90% cpu... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:52 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] proc maxed out That should be enough to power what you're describing with ease, even with your users running full-blown GNOME or KDE. What does top show before the slowdown/seizure, and what does it show during the slowdown? BTW, the AMD Athlon 2000+ runs at 1.67GHz. --TP Huck wrote: > I just set up a small lab in our library. > amd 2000+ like 1.2mhz or something > 1 gig of ram > 40 gig ide hd. > lj4000 printer connected to the server.. > > and with 4 clients connected ... > 3 browsing the web... > 1 printing pics from the web.. > and 1 playing gnuchess... > > server either dies...seizes up or just slows to the speeds of those > old punch card programs =) > > So...think'n of smack'n 'em with IceWM(maybe even lite)... and needing > to figure out how to remove 90% of the games... I noticed that some of > them are very cpu/memory friendly...while others hog as much as they > can grab. > > --Huck > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 16 01:13:22 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:13:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] proc maxed out In-Reply-To: <000001c4234d$b0e57c20$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000001c4234d$b0e57c20$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <407F3332.1000105@cmosnetworks.com> I've got a Pentium 4, 2.4GHz stand-alone workstation running K12LTSP. I've seen my workstation's CPU peg when I'm printing large PDF's (not PS, but PDF). It's most prevalent when printing from KDE's built-in PDF reader (I think it still has some bugs), but I've also seen high CPU usage when printing PDF's from plain, vanilla gv or xpdf. Is your K12LTSP box also configured to act as a print server, and if so, are users printing out complex graphics, PDF's, or anything else like that? --TP Huck wrote: >Top shows 'gs' owned by lp utilizing 60-90% cpu... > >--Huck > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:52 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] proc maxed out > > >That should be enough to power what you're describing with ease, even >with your users running full-blown GNOME or KDE. What does top show >before the slowdown/seizure, and what does it show during the slowdown? > >BTW, the AMD Athlon 2000+ runs at 1.67GHz. > >--TP > >Huck wrote: > > > >>I just set up a small lab in our library. >>amd 2000+ like 1.2mhz or something >>1 gig of ram >>40 gig ide hd. >>lj4000 printer connected to the server.. >> >>and with 4 clients connected ... >>3 browsing the web... >>1 printing pics from the web.. >>and 1 playing gnuchess... >> >>server either dies...seizes up or just slows to the speeds of those >>old punch card programs =) >> >>So...think'n of smack'n 'em with IceWM(maybe even lite)... and needing >> >> > > > >>to figure out how to remove 90% of the games... I noticed that some of >> >> > > > >>them are very cpu/memory friendly...while others hog as much as they >>can grab. >> >>--Huck >> >> >> From adfour at mtaonline.net Fri Apr 16 02:57:29 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:57:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Processor max'ed out In-Reply-To: <199788E52C0@ross.kunaschools.org> References: <199788E52C0@ross.kunaschools.org> Message-ID: <1082084249.6094.6.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> I had mine do something like that because of a bad switch once... -A. Fournier On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 11:34, Kevin Christensen wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a server running with about 40 clients on it (specs below). The > server has run flawlessly for 220 days. Then all of a sudden the > processors are running at a 100% and the server is slower that dirt. I > powered off 10 of the terminals and it dropped to about 30%. The other > terminals were on but not logged in. I have not rebooted the server > yet because I don???t want to ruin my 220 day uptime. Bragging rights ya > know! I thought maybe the ram was being used up but I still have > almost 400 megs aviable. > > > > Server specs: > > Dual Xeon 2.6g > > 4 gig pc2100 > > Raid 5 with 3 36 gig hard drives > > > > Any ideas? > > Thanks > > Kevin > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From adfour at mtaonline.net Fri Apr 16 02:59:16 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:59:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OOserver? Message-ID: <1082084356.6094.8.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> This may seem kind of obvious, but how does one go about setting up servers to serve out specific applications- like openoffice? Is it simply a matter of linking to the executable via an nfs share? I have been looking through the list, and googled it ,but all the discussion of the matter seems to assume that we all already know how to do this. Andrew Fournier Palmer High school Palmer ak 16 clients on a dual p3 700 786 megs o ram 2 18g + 1 4g scsi2 10baset switch k12ltsp v. 3.1 (4.0 had some serious issues on this box) -plans to expand :) From bsmoke at bryantschools.org Thu Apr 15 23:11:15 2004 From: bsmoke at bryantschools.org (Barry Smoke) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:11:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HSTI 2004 Message-ID: <407F1693.2000008@bryantschools.org> Thanks again to Eric for coming to our HSTI conference last year! We really appreciated it. Our lug is providing linux support again this year. We are going to have a booth, and will be demonstrating K12ltsp, and all other things linux. We are looking for vendor support, to help us with our booth, and provide swag/giveaways. Any leads, or donations would be greatly appreciated. Please contact me: Barry Smoke Vice Pres. lrlug.org bsmoke at bryantschools.org From haysja at sages.us Fri Apr 16 03:00:30 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:00:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OOserver? In-Reply-To: <1082084356.6094.8.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> References: <1082084356.6094.8.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <407F4C4E.5020709@sages.us> If you're talking about K12LTSP, there isn't anything to do. It is already there. Connect, login, and run Open Office from the menus. Andrew Fournier wrote: >This may seem kind of obvious, but how does one go about setting up >servers to serve out specific applications- like openoffice? >Is it simply a matter of linking to the executable via an nfs share? I >have been looking through the list, and googled it ,but all the >discussion of the matter seems to assume that we all already know how to >do this. >Andrew Fournier >Palmer High school Palmer ak >16 clients on a dual p3 700 >786 megs o ram 2 18g + 1 4g scsi2 >10baset switch >k12ltsp v. 3.1 (4.0 had some serious issues on this box) >-plans to expand :) > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From adfour at mtaonline.net Fri Apr 16 04:16:24 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:16:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OOserver? In-Reply-To: <407F4C4E.5020709@sages.us> References: <1082084356.6094.8.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <407F4C4E.5020709@sages.us> Message-ID: <1082088984.7984.3.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> I must have been unclear. I meant if one has a k12ltsp server, but would like to pass OOfice through the desktop server from another box. If k12ltsp was on box 1 and the system was being heavily taxed by open office use (just as an example) how can one attach a second box (box 2) so that all instances of openoffice run on box 2 but appear on clients served by box1, so that the resources used by openoffice primarily tax box 2? On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 19:00, Jim Hays wrote: > If you're talking about K12LTSP, there isn't anything to do. It is > already there. Connect, login, and run Open Office from the menus. > > > > > Andrew Fournier wrote: > > >This may seem kind of obvious, but how does one go about setting up > >servers to serve out specific applications- like openoffice? > >Is it simply a matter of linking to the executable via an nfs share? I > >have been looking through the list, and googled it ,but all the > >discussion of the matter seems to assume that we all already know how to > >do this. > >Andrew Fournier > >Palmer High school Palmer ak > >16 clients on a dual p3 700 > >786 megs o ram 2 18g + 1 4g scsi2 > >10baset switch > >k12ltsp v. 3.1 (4.0 had some serious issues on this box) > >-plans to expand :) > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From memeyou at memeyou.net Fri Apr 16 06:18:00 2004 From: memeyou at memeyou.net (Thomas Ryan Gordon Sr) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:18:00 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] OOserver? In-Reply-To: <1082088984.7984.3.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> References: <1082084356.6094.8.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <407F4C4E.5020709@sages.us> <1082088984.7984.3.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <407F7A98.70303@memeyou.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Fournier wrote: | I must have been unclear. I meant if one has a k12ltsp server, but | would like to pass OOfice through the desktop server from another | box. If k12ltsp was on box 1 and the system was being heavily taxed | by open office use (just as an example) how can one attach a second | box (box 2) so that all instances of openoffice run on box 2 but | appear on clients served by box1, so that the resources used by | openoffice primarily tax box 2? you would use rsh or ssh to forward the X. make sure there is plenty of bandwidth between the two boxes. Tom -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAf3qXSM0VWiAMmtsRAp+OAKCZ8EfCM1l1rH7CQX0VVgYSxjvMIQCbBDxS XEQW2NkiocSw+twDNpjjc8A= =lWiY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Apr 16 12:45:45 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:45:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] HSTI 2004 In-Reply-To: <407F1693.2000008@bryantschools.org> References: <407F1693.2000008@bryantschools.org> Message-ID: <1067.66.138.175.64.1082119545.squirrel@66.138.175.64> Barry Smoke said: > We are looking for vendor support, to help us with our booth, > and provide swag/giveaways. Any leads, or donations > would be greatly appreciated. > > Please contact me: > Barry Smoke > Vice Pres. > lrlug.org > bsmoke at bryantschools.org Yeah...Redhat promised us stuff multiple times last year. And we never got it. Really disappointed us. Now's a time for the Redhat employees on the list to redeem themselves! -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 16 12:48:26 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:48:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OOserver? In-Reply-To: <407F7A98.70303@memeyou.net> References: <1082084356.6094.8.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <407F4C4E.5020709@sages.us> <1082088984.7984.3.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <407F7A98.70303@memeyou.net> Message-ID: <1082119705.7379.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 01:18, Thomas Ryan Gordon Sr wrote: > If k12ltsp was on box 1 and the system was being heavily taxed > | by open office use (just as an example) how can one attach a second > | box (box 2) so that all instances of openoffice run on box 2 but > | appear on clients served by box1, so that the resources used by > | openoffice primarily tax box 2? > > you would use rsh or ssh to forward the X. make sure there is plenty of > bandwidth between the two boxes. There is a big difference in what happens with rsh or ssh when your $DISPLAY is already on a different machine than where the command is issued. Ssh makes a fake local $DISPLAY on the remote side that is transparently port-forwarded back to the machine where the command was issued over the encrypted connection, then sent on to the original $DISPLAY. That means that the server running the window manager that you were trying to off-load is still involved. With rsh, your original $DISPLAY is passed along or you would set it explicitly to point to the thin client. Then when the program starts it will make it's own connection to $DISPLAY completely independent from the connection where the command was issued. Rsh is less secure but off-loads more of the work. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 16 12:59:07 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OOserver? In-Reply-To: <1082119705.7379.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 01:18, Thomas Ryan Gordon Sr wrote: > > > If k12ltsp was on box 1 and the system was being heavily taxed > > | by open office use (just as an example) how can one attach a second > > | box (box 2) so that all instances of openoffice run on box 2 but > > | appear on clients served by box1, so that the resources used by > > | openoffice primarily tax box 2? > > > > you would use rsh or ssh to forward the X. make sure there is plenty of > > bandwidth between the two boxes. > > There is a big difference in what happens with rsh or ssh when > your $DISPLAY is already on a different machine than where > the command is issued. Ssh makes a fake local $DISPLAY on > the remote side that is transparently port-forwarded back > to the machine where the command was issued over the encrypted > connection, then sent on to the original $DISPLAY. That means > that the server running the window manager that you were > trying to off-load is still involved. With rsh, your > original $DISPLAY is passed along or you would set it > explicitly to point to the thin client. Then when the > program starts it will make it's own connection to $DISPLAY > completely independent from the connection where the > command was issued. Rsh is less secure but off-loads more > of the work. > Les, allow me to elaborate on your points: 1. rsh is not so much "less secure", but "totally insecure" seems to describe it well. 1.a to run rsh you need to open the access to the terminal display and keyboard. this may, or may not be a concern. 2. the additional load caused by ssh is negligible compared with the load of running oo. 3. depending on the balance between processing power and bandwidth you can adjust ssh compression to taste. my $.02, julius From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 16 13:33:12 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:33:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Splitting the load (ie, oo.org server) Message-ID: <200404160933.12838.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Is there anywhere that how exactly to "split the load" is documented? In my latest meeting about implementing LTSP, the decision has been to have the entire district running thin clients. (this means I get to upgrade our entire LAN to gig backbone, which is cool) Anyway, to service 150ish clients, I'll need to break up the load significantly. Is it documented how to divide what clients boot from what server? Or how to do the SSH forwarding to get a "mozilla" server and a "ooo" server? I'm not really interested in dynamically picking a server, but rather, just saying LAB-A boots from SERVER-1 and LAB-B boots from SERVER-2 -- even though they are all in the same LAN. Also, which method is better? Separate servers for specific applications, or separate servers for groups of clients (each server running everything)? I assume a central DHCP server could delegate these things to each client -- am I right? If so, how? Where do I look to find this out? Thanks to all, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From petre at maltzen.net Fri Apr 16 13:58:21 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:58:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Splitting the load (ie, oo.org server) In-Reply-To: <200404160933.12838.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <200404160933.12838.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <407FE67D.6000505@maltzen.net> I don't think there's a formal how-to anywhere about splitting the load by using app servers. I believe the folks in Largo, FL use rsh run each application on its own server, with the terminal server just providing the desktop/windowing environment, such that they get a couple hundred users on a two terminal servers, averaging about 15MB of memory per user (and I think that was with KDE). I would vote for the separate servers for specific applications route, as I think it will scale up better in the long run. It also makes maintenance easier in that if you have to down a server it only affects one application (and maybe not even that if you built a temporary stand in for it) rather than a whole bunch of users. Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > Is there anywhere that how exactly to "split the load" is documented? In my > latest meeting about implementing LTSP, the decision has been to have the > entire district running thin clients. (this means I get to upgrade our > entire LAN to gig backbone, which is cool) Anyway, to service 150ish > clients, I'll need to break up the load significantly. > > Is it documented how to divide what clients boot from what server? Or how to > do the SSH forwarding to get a "mozilla" server and a "ooo" server? I'm not > really interested in dynamically picking a server, but rather, just saying > LAB-A boots from SERVER-1 and LAB-B boots from SERVER-2 -- even though they > are all in the same LAN. > > Also, which method is better? Separate servers for specific applications, or > separate servers for groups of clients (each server running everything)? > > I assume a central DHCP server could delegate these things to each client -- > am I right? If so, how? Where do I look to find this out? > > Thanks to all, > -Shawn > From kevin at ross.kunaschools.org Fri Apr 16 13:59:24 2004 From: kevin at ross.kunaschools.org (Kevin Christensen) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:59:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] proc maxed out In-Reply-To: <000001c4234d$b0e57c20$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1ABE2F906BB@ross.kunaschools.org> I ran top and it showed one user using up most of the cpu. I rebooted the server, which took 45 minutes to shutdown. And the problem seemed to have gone away. Except now X will not run on the server, but works fine on the terminals. The monitor just keeps changing resolutions and with a blank screen and finally errors out. By the way I am using version 3.1.1. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:57 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] proc maxed out Top shows 'gs' owned by lp utilizing 60-90% cpu... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:52 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] proc maxed out That should be enough to power what you're describing with ease, even with your users running full-blown GNOME or KDE. What does top show before the slowdown/seizure, and what does it show during the slowdown? BTW, the AMD Athlon 2000+ runs at 1.67GHz. --TP Huck wrote: > I just set up a small lab in our library. > amd 2000+ like 1.2mhz or something > 1 gig of ram > 40 gig ide hd. > lj4000 printer connected to the server.. > > and with 4 clients connected ... > 3 browsing the web... > 1 printing pics from the web.. > and 1 playing gnuchess... > > server either dies...seizes up or just slows to the speeds of those > old punch card programs =) > > So...think'n of smack'n 'em with IceWM(maybe even lite)... and needing > to figure out how to remove 90% of the games... I noticed that some of > them are very cpu/memory friendly...while others hog as much as they > can grab. > > --Huck > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 16 14:36:09 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:36:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL Message-ID: <00ca01c423c0$2bd181a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Has anyone installed netatalk successfully into WBEL? I downloaded the netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz from sourceforge did a tar zxf netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz ./configure make make install and am stuck. I have read something about no Appletalk support compliled into the kernel, do I have to recompile? Also I cannot find the atalkd.conf anywhere and I don't see a atalkd service installed. What am I missing? I installed the Webmin Module for Netatalk and that as well says the Netatalk is not installed. Thanks From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 16 14:42:10 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:42:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: <00ca01c423c0$2bd181a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00ca01c423c0$2bd181a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200404161042.11102.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Friday 16 April 2004 10:36 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > and am stuck. ?I have read something about no Appletalk support > compliled into the kernel, I don't think so. If I recall, if you want to use pure "appletalk" without IP, then perhaps you would. I think that with just the default flags, it installs to /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/etc/netatalk for config files there are some very useful compile flags though, like --enable-redhat, which makes nice initscripts. I've installed netatalk more times than I care to admit, and tweaking the compile options are definitely worth it. > I installed the Webmin Module for Netatalk and that > as well says the Netatalk is not installed. Never used that module, but perhaps it doesn't look in /usr/local/etc for stuff. Just a guess. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 16 15:00:56 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:00:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: <200404161042.11102.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <00d501c423c3$a2024870$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I will try to reinstall with the --enable-redhat option and see if life gets better. I should see atalkd listed as a service right after a successful install correct? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:42 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL On Friday 16 April 2004 10:36 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > and am stuck. ?I have read something about no Appletalk support > compliled into the kernel, I don't think so. If I recall, if you want to use pure "appletalk" without IP, then perhaps you would. I think that with just the default flags, it installs to /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/etc/netatalk for config files there are some very useful compile flags though, like --enable-redhat, which makes nice initscripts. I've installed netatalk more times than I care to admit, and tweaking the compile options are definitely worth it. > I installed the Webmin Module for Netatalk and that > as well says the Netatalk is not installed. Never used that module, but perhaps it doesn't look in /usr/local/etc for stuff. Just a guess. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 16 14:59:00 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:59:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: <00d501c423c3$a2024870$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00d501c423c3$a2024870$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200404161059.00271.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Friday 16 April 2004 11:00 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I will try to reinstall with the --enable-redhat option and see if life > gets better. ?I should see atalkd listed as a service right after a > successful install correct? Yes. Should. It's been a while though (ie, beginning of schoolyear) since I've done it. Also, run ./configure --help just to look at the options you have. Some may be appealing, like disabling printer support if you dont' plan to use it. (I've never gotten it to work anyway) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 16 15:01:11 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:01:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Splitting the load (ie, oo.org server) In-Reply-To: <407FE67D.6000505@maltzen.net> References: <200404160933.12838.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <407FE67D.6000505@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200404161101.11567.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Friday 16 April 2004 09:58 am, Petre Scheie wrote: > ?I believe the folks in Largo, FL use rsh run each application Ok. I've never used rsh -- but with ssh, is it possible to generate ssh keypairs in bulk? Do I just copy the same .ssh folder to all the user's home directory? Honestly, I'm more concerned about the compression ability of ssh than the insecurity issue of rsh. If ssh is a hassle to set up that way though, rsh is the winner for me. :) Thanks again to all, Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 16 15:21:06 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:21:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla via Macintosh Thick Client Message-ID: <200404161121.06552.spowers@inlandlakes.org> I'm trying to troubleshoot the issue I have where mozilla dies on the macintosh thin client (ok, "thick" client using the X -query method). If I pull mozilla from the LTSP server to my iBook running debian, flash works. It's slow as all get-out, but it works. On the older hardware, mozilla just politely crashes with no messages, etc. Is there a way to get mozilla to tell me WHY it's crashing? Is there flag to get it to go into debug mode? I would ask on the mozilla list, but I think they would tell me "flash isnt' supported on PPC linux" -- which I already know. :) Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 16 15:28:09 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:28:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: <200404161059.00271.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <00d601c423c7$6f748db0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Well I reinstalled and the files appear to be available now and I also see the service. However the service fails to start with the following errors: ############# atalk failed. The error was: modprobe: Can't locate module appletalk [could not load appletalk module] modprobe: Can't locate module appletalk [could not load appletalk module] Shutting down AppleTalk services: Stopping papd:[ OK ] Unregistering localhost:Workstation: Can't unregister localhost:Workstation@* [FAILED] Unregistering localhost:netatalk: Can't unregister localhost:netatalk@* [FAILED] Stopping atalk:[FAILED] Stopping afpd:[ OK ] modprobe: Can't locate module appletalk [could not load appletalk module] Starting AppleTalk services: Starting atalkd:socket: Address family not supported by protocol socket: Address family not supported by protocol atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. [FAILED] Registering localhost:Workstation: [FAILED] Registering localhost:netatalk: [FAILED] Starting papd:[ OK ] Starting afpd:[ OK ] ############# Where should I look to be sure the module is available and the kernel recognizes it? Also does anyone have any sampe .conf files to get me started? These seem to be completely devoid of default settings. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:59 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL On Friday 16 April 2004 11:00 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I will try to reinstall with the --enable-redhat option and see if > life gets better. ?I should see atalkd listed as a service right after > a successful install correct? Yes. Should. It's been a while though (ie, beginning of schoolyear) since I've done it. Also, run ./configure --help just to look at the options you have. Some may be appealing, like disabling printer support if you dont' plan to use it. (I've never gotten it to work anyway) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 16 15:46:14 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:46:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: <00d601c423c7$6f748db0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00d601c423c7$6f748db0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200404161146.14906.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Friday 16 April 2004 11:28 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Where should I look to be sure the module is available and the kernel > recognizes it? I apologize, I just ssh'd into my server, and sure enough appletalk loads as a module on startup. You may have to recompile your kernel. eiiiw... Sorry, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 16 16:30:19 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:30:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Edit Gnome menu In-Reply-To: <20040415002724.GB3446@etria.com> Message-ID: <000901c423d0$1c0b7860$1803010a@paasda.org> Found a site saying: In nautilus go to url Applications:/// So I did...and voila...can see all the menus etc, but when I attempt to delete any of the items I receive an error "unsupported operation" while attempting to delete applications...mic.desktop (merely attempting to get rid of non-educational games that suck up tons of resources) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of bskahan at etria.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:27 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Edit Gnome menu The gnome menu system is built with gnome-vfs, and generated from the *.desktop files in /usr/share/applications. To edit it log in as root, or run nautilus as root. go the url applications-all-users:/// This will give you a nautilus view of the applications menu. You can rearrange it by drag-n-drop. I haven't checked gnome 2.4 (what's in k12ltsp 4) but it works for gnome 2.6. Gnome 2.6 has a number of new "lock down" features that are extremely useful in a lab environment. Now if gconf would only get group level control it would be gold. hth, -Brian -- Brian P. Skahan e: bskahan at etria.com Partner, Desktop Applications Lead p: 410-837-3992 http://www.etria.com c: 410-370-7706 From nathan at grandvache.com Fri Apr 16 16:39:39 2004 From: nathan at grandvache.com (Nathan Shaffer) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:39:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OOserver Message-ID: We do this for our 31 station lab. Rsh is utilized between the two boxes on a "closed" loop (crossover cable between the "desktop" server and the "application" server using gigabit). By creating the separate class C network between the two boxes and only allowing rsh between the two servers on those specific ethernet slots we contain the openness of rsh. We wrote a wrapper that looks like this: #!/bin/bash # wrapper script to run ooffice remotely from appserver xhost +appserver rsh appserver "export DISPLAY=$DISPLAY; ooffice" The wrapper is in /usr/local/bin. The users don't need to use the terminal. If you look at the desktop tray, the command under "properties" may look something like "ooffice %u". You may have to change the PATH that Gnome uses to get to the wrapper or where you locate the wrapper. We're using 3.1.1 on the "desktop server" and didn't have to change the PATH. We use this for OO, Evolution, Mozilla, and a host of other apps. We mounted the NFS /home on the applications server so that when you open the application and want to open a file that's been saved, it opens to the users "home". There is a lot of bandwidth usage when you've got 30 users running slideshows with pictures/graphics, etc that we upgraded to the gigabit between the boxes due to bottlenecks. This configuration makes it very easy to 1) update applications like OOffice because you don't have to worry about LTSP integration 2) install new applications for educators to try at their request. We've even installed WINE on the appserver to see what we can do with that (school mgmt uses Wintel apps). One recommendation is to use the "purge process" so that if one terminal gets locked up using an rsh'ed application, when they log in on another terminal, it'll clear out the rsh processes. Nathan Shaffer nathan at grandvache.com St John the Apostle School Oregon City, Or > On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 01:18, Thomas Ryan Gordon Sr wrote: > >> If k12ltsp was on box 1 and the system was being heavily taxed >> | by open office use (just as an example) how can one attach a second >> | box (box 2) so that all instances of openoffice run on box 2 but >> | appear on clients served by box1, so that the resources used by >> | openoffice primarily tax box 2? >> >> you would use rsh or ssh to forward the X. make sure there is plenty >> of >> bandwidth between the two boxes. > > There is a big difference in what happens with rsh or ssh when > your $DISPLAY is already on a different machine than where > the command is issued. Ssh makes a fake local $DISPLAY on > the remote side that is transparently port-forwarded back > to the machine where the command was issued over the encrypted > connection, then sent on to the original $DISPLAY. That means > that the server running the window manager that you were > trying to off-load is still involved. With rsh, your > original $DISPLAY is passed along or you would set it > explicitly to point to the thin client. Then when the > program starts it will make it's own connection to $DISPLAY > completely independent from the connection where the > command was issued. Rsh is less secure but off-loads more > of the work. > Les, allow me to elaborate on your points: 1. rsh is not so much "less secure", but "totally insecure" seems to describe it well. 1.a to run rsh you need to open the access to the terminal display and keyboard. this may, or may not be a concern. 2. the additional load caused by ssh is negligible compared with the load of running oo. 3. depending on the balance between processing power and bandwidth you can adjust ssh compression to taste. my $.02, julius From ckacoroski at nsd.org Fri Apr 16 16:43:50 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:43:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Does K12ltsp require anything special to work through switches Message-ID: <3D3B79EC-8FC5-11D8-B553-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Hi, I put in a demo K12ltsp server and it works fine with clients on the local subnet, but when I try to start up a client on a different subnet, no luck. What do I need to do to get it to work across subnets? cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 16 16:50:44 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:50:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Recomiling a Kernel Message-ID: <00e501c423d2$f94b4320$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Can anyone give me some tips on how to recompile to just add module support for appletalk? This is the last step I am at in building this new server and I don't want to loose any settings or options I already have, and I especially don't want to have to start over. Here are the steps as I know them, please add additional steps where I need them: 1. Install kernel source - Done 2. cd /usr/src/linux 3. make menuconfig 4. Save changes and exit 5. make dep 6. make clean 7. make bzImage 8. copy the bzImage to /boot 9. Edit grub.conf to boot new kernel 10. Reboot Again I just want the exact config I have with the addition of module support for Appletalk, will this be a safe enough way to do so or am I missing some steps? Unfortunately I am positive I do not have the knowledge to compile from scratch and choose all the right options. I assume all I need to do to add Appletalk as a module is check the module box under networking in menuconfig. Thanks P.S. It is about 80 and sunny here with no humidity, I really don't want to hose this thing and kill a beautiful afternoon :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hendersonh at unit5.org Fri Apr 16 16:30:42 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:30:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL Message-ID: There used to be a command you could go in to enable the module. I don't remember it off hand, but it was fairly easy to lookup if I remember. Also, if you run the RPM this would save you the trouble unless you have to build from source? Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> spowers at inlandlakes.org 04/16/04 09:59AM >>> On Friday 16 April 2004 11:00 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I will try to reinstall with the --enable-redhat option and see if life > gets better. I should see atalkd listed as a service right after a > successful install correct? Yes. Should. It's been a while though (ie, beginning of schoolyear) since I've done it. Also, run ./configure --help just to look at the options you have. Some may be appealing, like disabling printer support if you dont' plan to use it. (I've never gotten it to work anyway) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 16 16:57:55 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:57:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00ef01c423d3$f9932c20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Only building from source because I don't have an RPM. Where could I get one, I didn't see it in sourceforge. Would this really modify the kernel? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Heath Henderson Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:31 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL There used to be a command you could go in to enable the module. I don't remember it off hand, but it was fairly easy to lookup if I remember. Also, if you run the RPM this would save you the trouble unless you have to build from source? Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> spowers at inlandlakes.org 04/16/04 09:59AM >>> On Friday 16 April 2004 11:00 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I will try to reinstall with the --enable-redhat option and see if > life gets better. I should see atalkd listed as a service right after > a successful install correct? Yes. Should. It's been a while though (ie, beginning of schoolyear) since I've done it. Also, run ./configure --help just to look at the options you have. Some may be appealing, like disabling printer support if you dont' plan to use it. (I've never gotten it to work anyway) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From faengoy at yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 17:23:45 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] More on individual application servers In-Reply-To: <20040416160035.718E273F41@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040416172346.80595.qmail@web20726.mail.yahoo.com> Somehow I don't feel like the original question about OO servers got answered fully, and I'm quite interested. What's the most decent way to have users at various terminals click on an icon (running on the LTSP server) to export the application directly from the app server to the client without going through the LTSP server? This seems to involve some environmental variable logic, but I am not sure which ones... Dan ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 16 17:42:43 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:42:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More on individual application servers In-Reply-To: <20040416172346.80595.qmail@web20726.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040416172346.80595.qmail@web20726.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40801B13.2030201@cfl.rr.com> The best way to run applications on another box besides your main LTSP server(we'll call this "localhost"), like say on a backup LTSP server (we'll call this "backLTSP", defined in /etc/hosts). If you're doing NIS authentication, this should work without further modification. If not, you'll need to create duplicate accounts on both the main LTSP server (localhost) and backup LTSP server (backLTSP). From a terminal session, type the following: $ ssh backLTSP type in the appropriate username and password....then: $ oowriter Voila, your OpenOffice Writer program should appear, same applies to virtually any program that runs under X. I use it with gkrellm to keep track of resources on other Linux boxes all the time. Cheers, BC Dan Bo wrote: > Somehow I don't feel like the original question about > OO servers got answered fully, and I'm quite > interested. What's the most decent way to have users > at various terminals click on an icon (running on the > LTSP server) to export the application directly from > the app server to the client without going through the > LTSP server? This seems to involve some environmental > variable logic, but I am not sure which ones... > Dan > > ===== > Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm > > Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 16 17:53:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:53:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OOserver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082137983.5802.47.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 07:59, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Les, > allow me to elaborate on your points: 1. rsh is not so much "less > secure", but "totally insecure" seems to describe it well. I'm not a security expert but there are several separate issues that someone going to the trouble to set this up should understand. - Rsh only allows authentication based on source IP address. Note that NFS works this way as well and is probably even worse as a security risk and you probably do want to NFS mount the home directories onto the app server(s). You could minimize this risk by running a separate subnet server-to-server which would make it more difficult to spoof the source addresses from elsewhere. - Ssh can be used to issue the commands to start the programs without using its X forwarding mechanism. > 1.a to run rsh > you need to open the access to the terminal display and keyboard. this > may, or may not be a concern. - The relationship between the app server and the terminal is approximately the same as the k12ltsp server where the desktop runs. I'm not sure if this uses xhost with a source restriction or .Xauthority in the home directory but either way if the home directory is available you have the same choices and the same risks. > 2. the additional load caused by ssh is > negligible compared with the load of running oo. 3. depending on the > balance between processing power and bandwidth you can adjust ssh > compression to taste. For something like OO and some smallish number of clients it probably doesn't matter. For things with more screen activity it may be as important to offload the display bandwidth too. If you let ssh port-forward, it will all go through the original server, where letting the app server programs connect back directly to the terminal does not. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 16 18:02:41 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:02:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Recomiling a Kernel In-Reply-To: <00e501c423d2$f94b4320$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00e501c423d2$f94b4320$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200404161402.42016.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Friday 16 April 2004 12:50 pm, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I > assume all I need to do to add Appletalk as a module is check the module > box under networking in menuconfig. This is one reason I wish K12LTSP was done on debian. :) Kernel recompile on debian is a walk in the park. That aside... I think you have to make sure during that process that the modules folder gets created. I think you'll have to "make modules" or some such thing. I've never done a kernel in redhat... sorry... Generally there should be a folder in /lib/modules/xxxxx where xxxxx is the build revision of your kernel. Then upon reboot, you should run "depmod -a" to set things to using the new modules. (to be honest, I'm not exactly sure what depmod -a does, but it always makes things work after a kernel switch) Make sure when you edit grub that you make an ADDITIONAL entry, don't just delete what's there, or you could really hose stuff. After I typed that, I'd suggest looking on redhat.com or somewhere for kernel installing tips. I'm worried about your afternoon. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From shahms at shahms.com Fri Apr 16 18:09:03 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:09:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] This is nuts! Samba/ldap almost fixed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082138942.12920.11.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Well, email stopped working yesterday about noon, or I would have gotten this out sooner. Attached is a script called "hashswap.sh" that will swap *all* NT and LANMAN hashes beneath the given basedn. It should be relatively easy to modify to switch a specific set of hashes, however. $ ./hashswap.sh -D -b -h The DN you bind as must be able to see and modify the lmPassword and ntPassword attributes and the ldapserver must be the master or modify will fail. -- Shahms King -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: hashswap.sh Type: text/x-sh Size: 1196 bytes Desc: not available URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 16 18:16:12 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:16:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff Message-ID: <200404161416.12122.spowers@inlandlakes.org> man... I've posted a lot today... anyway... I know recently we all talked about OO tutorials, etc. I'm curious what everyone does for staff PD regarding linux, LTSP, etc... Our school district really lacks in technology PD for staff, and since we're going to be adopting a lot of linux in the future, I will be looked at to provide (or at least arrange) PD for staff. Where are some problem issues? What do you find to be the most important thing to train staff on? What do they grumble about the most when switching to linux? Any advice? Thanks again, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From faengoy at yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 18:19:22 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] More OO.o export goodness (man this is a difficult subject!) In-Reply-To: <20040416174159.4B3B57367D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040416181922.26631.qmail@web20723.mail.yahoo.com> OK, Either I'm missing something really important here, or this doesn't answer my question at all: you tell me which. Since I am in an X session exported from the LTSP server (localhost) to the client (ws001) when I open the xterm and type ssh backLTSP ...blah blah blah..., I am now exporting the backLTSP OO.o app to localhost, and the localhost display to ws001, when what I really want is OO.o exported directly from backLTSP to ws001 without localhost being in the way there. Is this prudent? Is it possible (I'm positive the answer is yes on that one)? Will it wreak havoc with the Gnome session I am currently in? Details? Dan ---------------------------------------------- The best way to run applications on another box besides your main LTSP server(we'll call this "localhost"), like say on a backup LTSP server (we'll call this "backLTSP", defined in /etc/hosts). If you're doing NIS authentication, this should work without further modification. If not, you'll need to create duplicate accounts on both the main LTSP server (localhost) and backup LTSP server (backLTSP). From a terminal session, type the following: $ ssh backLTSP type in the appropriate username and password....then: $ oowriter Voila, your OpenOffice Writer program should appear, same applies to virtually any program that runs under X. I use it with gkrellm to keep track of resources on other Linux boxes all the time. ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 16 18:29:26 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:29:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Recomiling a Kernel In-Reply-To: <200404161402.42016.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <00f601c423e0$c2ae3620$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I'm worried as well :-) But I think I found a good tutorial (meaning one I can understand) on Rebuilding Kernels finally, turns out I will have to break down and do some reading. Thanks for your help. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:03 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Recomiling a Kernel On Friday 16 April 2004 12:50 pm, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I > assume all I need to do to add Appletalk as a module is check the > module box under networking in menuconfig. This is one reason I wish K12LTSP was done on debian. :) Kernel recompile on debian is a walk in the park. That aside... I think you have to make sure during that process that the modules folder gets created. I think you'll have to "make modules" or some such thing. I've never done a kernel in redhat... sorry... Generally there should be a folder in /lib/modules/xxxxx where xxxxx is the build revision of your kernel. Then upon reboot, you should run "depmod -a" to set things to using the new modules. (to be honest, I'm not exactly sure what depmod -a does, but it always makes things work after a kernel switch) Make sure when you edit grub that you make an ADDITIONAL entry, don't just delete what's there, or you could really hose stuff. After I typed that, I'd suggest looking on redhat.com or somewhere for kernel installing tips. I'm worried about your afternoon. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 16 18:26:42 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:26:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff In-Reply-To: <200404161416.12122.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Not sure on the PD acronymn...but can answer some of those questions in the last paragraph... Staff here are completely unwilling to change to anything that is non-microsoft...out of ignorance. Most important things after said staff have been coerced into a new product has been: 1.) learning how the filesystem works...(how do I view different "folders" *as they have no concept of directories and files*) 2.) where did program "X" go...simply because the icon changed from 1 version to another... When office XP came out and the light-blue W...was replaced with the funky blue box'd W...they were in a panic. (maybe I just have exceptionally gifted non-computer users?) 3.) "Things look different" they are afraid they can't do something and become instantly aggressive when they can't find 'page setup' for changing margins in Oowriter for example...mostly it is this sort of simple (look somewhere logical, like 'format') for formatting a page. 4.) They really need proof that an OO presentation/spreadsheet/document CAN and WILL work flawlessly in MS-OFFICE...and vice-versa. The list could go on for a long time..but then I'd be ranting about how teachers want to teach only and not learn... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:16 AM To: K12LTSP List Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff man... I've posted a lot today... anyway... I know recently we all talked about OO tutorials, etc. I'm curious what everyone does for staff PD regarding linux, LTSP, etc... Our school district really lacks in technology PD for staff, and since we're going to be adopting a lot of linux in the future, I will be looked at to provide (or at least arrange) PD for staff. Where are some problem issues? What do you find to be the most important thing to train staff on? What do they grumble about the most when switching to linux? Any advice? Thanks again, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 16 18:27:39 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:27:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff In-Reply-To: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Friday 16 April 2004 02:26 pm, Huck wrote: > Not sure on the PD acronymn...but can answer some of those questions in > the last paragraph... Sorry! PD = Professional Development IMHO, acronyms suck anyway. YMMV. ;o) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 16 18:30:49 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:30:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] More OO.o export goodness (man this is a difficultsubject!) In-Reply-To: <20040416181922.26631.qmail@web20723.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01c423e0$f166a920$1803010a@paasda.org> If backLTSP is in the '/etc/hosts' file... It should just route you straight through to the backLTSP machine directly I believe. It is only piping the appliation to the display not the entire windows manager maybe??? It wouldn't make sense for it to export the whole desktop from backLTSP when you are only requesting oowriter.... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Bo Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:19 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] More OO.o export goodness (man this is a difficultsubject!) OK, Either I'm missing something really important here, or this doesn't answer my question at all: you tell me which. Since I am in an X session exported from the LTSP server (localhost) to the client (ws001) when I open the xterm and type ssh backLTSP ...blah blah blah..., I am now exporting the backLTSP OO.o app to localhost, and the localhost display to ws001, when what I really want is OO.o exported directly from backLTSP to ws001 without localhost being in the way there. Is this prudent? Is it possible (I'm positive the answer is yes on that one)? Will it wreak havoc with the Gnome session I am currently in? Details? Dan ---------------------------------------------- The best way to run applications on another box besides your main LTSP server(we'll call this "localhost"), like say on a backup LTSP server (we'll call this "backLTSP", defined in /etc/hosts). If you're doing NIS authentication, this should work without further modification. If not, you'll need to create duplicate accounts on both the main LTSP server (localhost) and backup LTSP server (backLTSP). From a terminal session, type the following: $ ssh backLTSP type in the appropriate username and password....then: $ oowriter Voila, your OpenOffice Writer program should appear, same applies to virtually any program that runs under X. I use it with gkrellm to keep track of resources on other Linux boxes all the time. ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 16 18:34:02 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:34:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Recomiling a Kernel In-Reply-To: <00f601c423e0$c2ae3620$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001f01c423e1$65105740$1803010a@paasda.org> Jim, I found one online when I was using a wireless network card on K12LTSP for use on my home network... It showed how to reconfigure the kernel with a gnome GUI tool...and I only had to click on 1 little box and then save as a different name all was good...of course I did have to do the 'make modules' and something about module dependancy.. Wish I would have kept that URL...but the gnome GUI tool made life MUCH more simple than the cli(textlike) interface. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:29 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Recomiling a Kernel I'm worried as well :-) But I think I found a good tutorial (meaning one I can understand) on Rebuilding Kernels finally, turns out I will have to break down and do some reading. Thanks for your help. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:03 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Recomiling a Kernel On Friday 16 April 2004 12:50 pm, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I > assume all I need to do to add Appletalk as a module is check the > module box under networking in menuconfig. This is one reason I wish K12LTSP was done on debian. :) Kernel recompile on debian is a walk in the park. That aside... I think you have to make sure during that process that the modules folder gets created. I think you'll have to "make modules" or some such thing. I've never done a kernel in redhat... sorry... Generally there should be a folder in /lib/modules/xxxxx where xxxxx is the build revision of your kernel. Then upon reboot, you should run "depmod -a" to set things to using the new modules. (to be honest, I'm not exactly sure what depmod -a does, but it always makes things work after a kernel switch) Make sure when you edit grub that you make an ADDITIONAL entry, don't just delete what's there, or you could really hose stuff. After I typed that, I'd suggest looking on redhat.com or somewhere for kernel installing tips. I'm worried about your afternoon. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Fri Apr 16 18:53:47 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:53:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: <00ca01c423c0$2bd181a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I got 1.6.4 compiled and installed on RHAS 3. The kernel doesn't have appletalk support built into it. You need to use kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL from Redahat. And reboot That did the trick for me. jamie On 4/16/04 7:36 AM, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > Has anyone installed netatalk successfully into WBEL? I downloaded the > netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz from sourceforge did a > tar zxf netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz > ./configure > make > make install > > and am stuck. I have read something about no Appletalk support > compliled into the kernel, do I have to recompile? Also I cannot find > the atalkd.conf anywhere and I don't see a atalkd service installed. > What am I missing? I installed the Webmin Module for Netatalk and that > as well says the Netatalk is not installed. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > - Jamie From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 16 19:06:24 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:06:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00f701c423e5$ec6520f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> How do you get this kernel? Via yum install kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jamie Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:54 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL I got 1.6.4 compiled and installed on RHAS 3. The kernel doesn't have appletalk support built into it. You need to use kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL from Redahat. And reboot That did the trick for me. jamie On 4/16/04 7:36 AM, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > Has anyone installed netatalk successfully into WBEL? I downloaded > the netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz from sourceforge did a tar zxf > netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz ./configure > make > make install > > and am stuck. I have read something about no Appletalk support > compliled into the kernel, do I have to recompile? Also I cannot find > the atalkd.conf anywhere and I don't see a atalkd service installed. > What am I missing? I installed the Webmin Module for Netatalk and > that as well says the Netatalk is not installed. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > - Jamie _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 16 19:10:32 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:10:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More OO.o export goodness (man this is a difficult subject!) In-Reply-To: <20040416181922.26631.qmail@web20723.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040416181922.26631.qmail@web20723.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1082142631.11907.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 13:19, Dan Bo wrote: > Since I am in an X session exported from the > LTSP server (localhost) to the client (ws001) when I > open the xterm and type ssh backLTSP ...blah blah > blah..., I am now exporting the backLTSP OO.o app to > localhost, and the localhost display to ws001, when > what I really want is OO.o exported directly from > backLTSP to ws001 without localhost being in the way > there. Is this prudent? Is it possible (I'm positive > the answer is yes on that one)? Ssh does a lot of magic to take the display back through its own original connection. If you add the -x option to the ssh command it will skip the setup, and if you get DISPLAY exported in the remote shell pointing back to your terminal all subsequent X programs will open their own window directly on the host/screen specified. That is the way X was originally intended to work with programs running on multiple remote hosts. The catch is that your terminal must allow/deny the inbound connection and at the network level this can only be done based on the source IP. However, xdm sets up authorization based on the $HOME/.Xauthority file and permission to read it. Thus if you have NFS-mounted the same home directory between the machine serving the initial xdm login and the app server, the security issues are pushed back to those of NFS. > Will it wreak havoc > with the Gnome session I am currently in? > Details? No, window managers expect new windows to pop open from unknown sources. It might confuse the user to open something like the volume control from a remote machine on their desktop but it won't confuse X. Try running xeyes from a remote machine as a test and note that it tracks mouse movement even when the focus in in a window that came from a different remote machine. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 16 19:17:14 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:17:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More OO.o export goodness (man this is a difficult subject!) In-Reply-To: <1082142631.11907.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20040416181922.26631.qmail@web20723.mail.yahoo.com> <1082142631.11907.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200404161517.14512.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Friday 16 April 2004 03:10 pm, Les Mikesell wrote: > get DISPLAY exported in the remote shell pointing > back to your terminal all subsequent X programs will > open their own window directly on the host/screen > specified. ?That is the way X was originally intended > to work with programs running on multiple remote hosts. So, please correct me if I'm wrong, if you use "ssh -X x.x.x.x oowriter" it will tunnel all the traffic through the server that is running the window manager for you. While this will help with CPU usage on the window manager server, it wont' help with bandwidth at all. BUT if you change the DISPLAY variable, and use "ssh -x x.x.x.x oowriter" it will NOT do the ssh magic display tunneling, but connect directly to the workstation. Is that correct? Can you still use the compression in ssh to save bandwidth, or does that only work when using -X rather than -x ? Silly me, I always just assumed that the -X flag changed the DISPLAY variable somehow. i didnt' realize it was something unique to ssh. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 16 20:01:44 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:01:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More OO.o export goodness (man this is a difficult subject!) In-Reply-To: <200404161517.14512.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <20040416181922.26631.qmail@web20723.mail.yahoo.com> <1082142631.11907.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <200404161517.14512.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1082145704.11907.62.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 14:17, Shawn Powers wrote: > So, please correct me if I'm wrong, if you use "ssh -X x.x.x.x oowriter" it > will tunnel all the traffic through the server that is running the window > manager for you. While this will help with CPU usage on the window manager > server, it wont' help with bandwidth at all. Yes that is correct. > BUT if you change the DISPLAY > variable, and use "ssh -x x.x.x.x oowriter" it will NOT do the ssh magic > display tunneling, but connect directly to the workstation. Is that correct? Close: you have to set DISPLAY for the shell at the remote side yourself now: Something like: ssh -x x.x.x.x "DISPLAY=$DISPLAY oowriter" should work because the $DISPLAY value will expand locally (using double quotes, not single) and putting an environment variable setting on a command line at the remote side will export the value for the command in the rest of the line. > Can you still use the compression in ssh to save bandwidth, or does that only > work when using -X rather than -x ? The X session no longer has much to do with the ssh session. X programs don't use the stdin/stdout inherited from their parent, unlike character mode programs. > Silly me, I always just assumed that the -X flag changed the DISPLAY variable > somehow. i didnt' realize it was something unique to ssh. That is only part of the magic. Ssh sets the remote DISPLAY value to an unused screen on the remote host, then arranges port forwarding for a connection to that to really be passed back to the DISPLAY on the side where the ssh command was given. If you have reasons to want the connection to be encrypted or compressed you would want to let ssh handle it for you. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Apr 16 20:30:35 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:30:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mozilla via Macintosh Thick Client Message-ID: Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm trying to troubleshoot the issue I have where mozilla dies on the > macintosh thin client (ok, "thick" client using the X -query method). > > If I pull mozilla from the LTSP server to my iBook running debian, > flash > works. It's slow as all get-out, but it works. > > On the older hardware, mozilla just politely crashes with no messages, > etc. How much RAM on your iBook versus the thick Macintosh? If you put more RAM in the Macintosh, will it work? Peace, Jimmy Schwankl From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Fri Apr 16 20:33:30 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:33:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Splitting the load (ie, oo.org server) In-Reply-To: <04Apr16.172320cest.87352@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Apr16.172320cest.87352@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <33111.217.208.78.24.1082147610.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Hello! You might want to try this: http://theseus.sourceforge.net/projects/ets/ets-howto.html Its a way to balance the load among two servers with dhcpd. Openmosix is also recommended in conjunction for balancing the processes. I have just ordered two servers to try this out so i havent got any experience in it yet. Ill post a brief howto on this list if im succesful. > Is there anywhere that how exactly to "split the load" is documented? In > my > latest meeting about implementing LTSP, the decision has been to have the > entire district running thin clients. (this means I get to upgrade our > entire LAN to gig backbone, which is cool) Anyway, to service 150ish > clients, I'll need to break up the load significantly. > > Is it documented how to divide what clients boot from what server? Or how > to > do the SSH forwarding to get a "mozilla" server and a "ooo" server? I'm > not > really interested in dynamically picking a server, but rather, just saying > LAB-A boots from SERVER-1 and LAB-B boots from SERVER-2 -- even though > they > are all in the same LAN. > > Also, which method is better? Separate servers for specific applications, > or > separate servers for groups of clients (each server running everything)? > > I assume a central DHCP server could delegate these things to each client > -- > am I right? If so, how? Where do I look to find this out? > > Thanks to all, > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri Apr 16 21:46:58 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 07:46:58 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Recomiling a Kernel Message-ID: "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: >> Again I just want the exact config I have with the addition of module support for Appletalk, will this be a safe enough way to do so or am I missing some steps? Unfortunately I am positive I do not have the knowledge to compile from scratch and choose all the right options. << Jim, I've written up an article on recompiling the kernel - both from scratch or just to add a 3rd-party module. You can find the article at http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/a81f3ecb7cf5028eca256cf2003035ca?OpenDocument The trick to preserving the configuration of the stock kernel is to copy the correct .config file from /usr/src/linux-x.yy/configs. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 16 22:11:42 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:11:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Does K12ltsp require anything special to work through switches In-Reply-To: <3D3B79EC-8FC5-11D8-B553-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> References: <3D3B79EC-8FC5-11D8-B553-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <40805A1E.8050902@cmosnetworks.com> That's a complex question with several answers, all of which revolve around pointing your DHCP server to the right IP address for both TFTP and NFS. Tell us more about your specific network architecture, including your DHCP servers, their configs, and where they are on the network. --TP Chris Kacoroski wrote: > Hi, > > I put in a demo K12ltsp server and it works fine with clients on the > local subnet, but when I try to start up a client on a different > subnet, no luck. What do I need to do to get it to work across subnets? > > cheers, > > ski From hendersonh at unit5.org Fri Apr 16 18:01:12 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:01:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL Message-ID: What OS are you using? I have the RPM from Redhat 9. It seems to work fairly well. You can get the .src.rpm if you want. Thanks Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> jim at winonacotter.org 04/16/04 11:57AM >>> Only building from source because I don't have an RPM. Where could I get one, I didn't see it in sourceforge. Would this really modify the kernel? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Heath Henderson Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:31 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL There used to be a command you could go in to enable the module. I don't remember it off hand, but it was fairly easy to lookup if I remember. Also, if you run the RPM this would save you the trouble unless you have to build from source? Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> spowers at inlandlakes.org 04/16/04 09:59AM >>> On Friday 16 April 2004 11:00 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I will try to reinstall with the --enable-redhat option and see if > life gets better. I should see atalkd listed as a service right after > a successful install correct? Yes. Should. It's been a while though (ie, beginning of schoolyear) since I've done it. Also, run ./configure --help just to look at the options you have. Some may be appealing, like disabling printer support if you dont' plan to use it. (I've never gotten it to work anyway) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hendersonh at unit5.org Fri Apr 16 19:17:09 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:17:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL Message-ID: Depending on the system, I had to enter this on our old RH 6 boxes /etc/modules.conf alias net-pf-5 appletalk May be in /etc/conf.modules on older systems. That should allow Atalk to load as a module as that is how it is compiled into the kernel I believe. Thanks Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> jim at winonacotter.org 04/16/04 02:06PM >>> How do you get this kernel? Via yum install kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jamie Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:54 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL I got 1.6.4 compiled and installed on RHAS 3. The kernel doesn't have appletalk support built into it. You need to use kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL from Redahat. And reboot That did the trick for me. jamie On 4/16/04 7:36 AM, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > Has anyone installed netatalk successfully into WBEL? I downloaded > the netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz from sourceforge did a tar zxf > netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz ./configure > make > make install > > and am stuck. I have read something about no Appletalk support > compliled into the kernel, do I have to recompile? Also I cannot find > the atalkd.conf anywhere and I don't see a atalkd service installed. > What am I missing? I installed the Webmin Module for Netatalk and > that as well says the Netatalk is not installed. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > - Jamie _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Apr 17 01:32:28 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 07:02:28 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Splitting the load (ie, oo.org server) In-Reply-To: <33111.217.208.78.24.1082147610.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> References: <04Apr16.172320cest.87352@fw01.solleftea.se> <33111.217.208.78.24.1082147610.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1082165548.3242.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 02:03, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > You might want to try this: > > http://theseus.sourceforge.net/projects/ets/ets-howto.html > > Its a way to balance the load among two servers with dhcpd. Openmosix is > also recommended in conjunction for balancing the processes. I have just > ordered two servers to try this out so i havent got any experience in it > yet. > > Ill post a brief howto on this list if im succesful. I would be interested in knowing results. I installed Openmosix on LTSP server and built another server in the same subnet with aim of providing more processing power. It worked but strange problem that came through was that the OO / Gedit sessions would suddenly die. My understanding was that this happened whenever load was transferred from one machine to another. Did not test with other applications as this was live server and users started howling. So switched it back to booting normal kernel. Have put the project on hold till have more time on hand. Had this worked then I would have tried Openmosix on clients. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sat Apr 17 03:23:52 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 17 Apr 2004 11:23:52 +0800 Subject: language - was Re: [K12OSN] PD for staff In-Reply-To: <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1082172234.31469.51.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 02:27, Shawn Powers wrote: > On Friday 16 April 2004 02:26 pm, Huck wrote: > > Not sure on the PD acronymn...but can answer some of those questions in > > the last paragraph... > Sorry! PD = Professional Development > > IMHO, acronyms suck anyway. YMMV. ;o) > > -Shawn AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!! (Sorry that you are the one I have to pick on here, Shawn because you have many compatriots). This list is populated by educators so how can this insult to the language possibly be let go any more without a rant? What am I talking about? Well, the problem for pedants of the language like me is when everything that is shortened to INITIALS is repeatedly deemed to be an ACRONYM. Look it up in the dictionary, an acronym is ONLY when the initials make another word, eg SLUG = Sydney Linux User's Group; PLUG = Perth Linux User's Group, etc. IMHO initials is not an sexy word, so it has been dropped from the English language by most people. Please try and rediscover the word "initials" before I have a coronary! Snort, Snort, Breathe, Breathe ... sigh. Glad I got that off my chest ;-) ;-) (I typed this out with enraged fingers, so forgive any typos) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Apr 17 04:14:28 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:14:28 -0400 Subject: language - was Re: [K12OSN] PD for staff In-Reply-To: <1082172234.31469.51.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1082172234.31469.51.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <4080AF24.5080507@inlandlakes.org> Gavin Chester wrote: > everything that is shortened to INITIALS is repeatedly deemed to be an > ACRONYM. LOL (I couldn't resist) Seriously, I had no idea that was the case. In my defense, I'm not an educator in the official sense, but a technician gone to school employ. BUT, I must defend my silly little self. IMHO is in fact an inner-city self-derogatory term. (the vowels of course being pronounced as "long" rather than "short") It can often be heard in counseling centers and confessionals after unfortunate circumstances that I need not further discuss. Also, YMMV is often heard during the enjoyment of caramels and other sticky desserts. It is also sometimes uttered when one sips a beverage that is too hot, but it's often then used with the "AAAAAHHHHHH" suffix. As in, "sip....YMMV-AAAAAHHHHHH *spit*" I hope that clarifies my *proper* use of the language, and I am as appalled as you with the misuse of the term "acronym" (man I need sleep) -Shawn From adfour at mtaonline.net Sat Apr 17 04:25:38 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:25:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff In-Reply-To: <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1082175938.9006.11.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> Thanks everyone for the insights on server loads (OOserver thread). I think I get the idea- correct me if I'm wrong. What is wanted is for the "ooserver" to NOT pass through the ltsp server, so as to minimize the load on the ltsp server as much as possible. Thus, one would use ssh (with compression) to a server NOT "behind" the ltsp server but rather on the network as a peer, and configured in "hosts" on the ltsp server. This will pipe either application info, or the whole application window to the ltsp client. I will experiment next week. This would seem to imply that large central ( or clustered?) application and home servers connected to from lab and classroom level ltsp servers would be what is wanted for a building wide implementation, right? This kinda brings up kimberlite & LVM for the home server..... Professional Development issues & MS software? So far my district seems to be pretty enthusiastic, but I have been using my class as a test site-- now that it seems a proven technology k12ltsp will appear in the library, then in some elementary labs-- the places where ms desktops come to grief most quickly. The thing is, if the kids use it, the teachers will follow if not shoved into it too abruptly, I think--and ms kinda suffers in side by side comparison. Besides, where are you using thin clients that teachers notice and can't escape? -A fournier From nelsda at yahoo.com Sat Apr 17 05:12:07 2004 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff In-Reply-To: <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20040417051207.15364.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shawn Powers wrote: > On Friday 16 April 2004 02:26 pm, Huck wrote: > > Not sure on the PD acronymn...but can answer some > of those questions in > > the last paragraph... > Sorry! PD = Professional Development > > IMHO, acronyms suck anyway. YMMV. ;o) > > -Shawn I think you need to be reported to the AAAAAA! (The American Association Against Acronym Abuse) David D. Nelson PS. I used to work at a school like the one Heuck is at and was showing a staff member how to open an Excel file on her email. (She was not in her office.) I didn't tell her I had associated all MS Office file extensions to OOo. I just told her to double click the attached file and it would open. She looked a couple of places to for the print button and printed the file and was happy with the results. Later that day she came and said "Can I get that program on my computer?" I thought it humorus to hear that from someone who thought that she could only use MS products. ===== David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From faengoy at yahoo.com Sat Apr 17 05:23:13 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Splitting the load (ie, oo.org server) In-Reply-To: <20040417042546.C154373342@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040417052313.45606.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> Then, wouldn't this just be a simple edit of the soffice startup script, since it is already set up to do remote rsh. I could just bash in an IF statement for "SO_REMOTE_START=ssh" Sounds pretty straight forward. See if I can do it this week... Dan ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From raver at frodo.wsa.edu.pl Sat Apr 17 10:18:39 2004 From: raver at frodo.wsa.edu.pl (Rafal Jozwiak) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:18:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS problem In-Reply-To: <20040417052313.45606.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040417052313.45606.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4081047F.3010604@frodo.wsa.edu.pl> Hello Everyone! Im new in here :) Im using K12LTSP 4.0.1 (Fedora core 1) I have problems running Terminal (Rom-o-matic) I see this: eth0: Realtek RTL-8029 found at ..... (null)mount program didn't pass remote address! mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument ERROR: Failed to mount the root directory via NFS! VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). //Im using ext3 Trying to move old root to /initrd ... failed Unmounting old root Trying to free ramdisk memory ... failed I dont know what is wrong.. because I checked configs. Seems to bo good... :\ Any sugestion what could be wrong ?? Thank You! Rafal J. PS. Sorry for my english. From andyr at wizzy.com Sat Apr 17 11:13:35 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:13:35 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OOserver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040417111334.GA5478@wizzy.com> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Nathan Shaffer wrote: > We do this for our 31 station lab. Rsh is utilized between the two > boxes on a "closed" loop (crossover cable between the "desktop" server > and the "application" server using gigabit). Why ? Surely the traffic is between the terminal and the "desktop" server, and the terminal and the "application" server ? Maybe I am mis-understanding something ? As an aside, where does window manager traffic come in here ? Cheers, Andy! From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat Apr 17 15:06:24 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:06:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mozilla via Macintosh Thick Client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whenever I need to use a Mac as a thin client I use "Chicken of the VNC" and login as a thin client user - everything works then - all I need is the server's IP. This works best if you are "inside" the 198. subnet - Mac side is fully functional, as c.o.t.VNC is treated just as another Mac application. Hope this helps Alan A Hodson El Paso ISD, TX aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org -=o=- >Shawn Powers wrote: > >>I'm trying to troubleshoot the issue I have where mozilla dies on the >>macintosh thin client (ok, "thick" client using the X -query method). >> >>If I pull mozilla from the LTSP server to my iBook running debian, flash >>works. It's slow as all get-out, but it works. >> >>On the older hardware, mozilla just politely crashes with no messages, etc. > >How much RAM on your iBook versus the thick Macintosh? > >If you put more RAM in the Macintosh, will it work? > >Peace, >Jimmy Schwankl > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From garyckw at yahoo.com Sat Apr 17 14:49:36 2004 From: garyckw at yahoo.com (=?big5?q?Gary=20Cheung?=) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:49:36 +0800 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] can't type chinese in the client computer. Message-ID: <20040417144936.92815.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> I have set up a server and a client of k12ltsp. when booting the client disk, it seems everything work. But when i turn on the openoffice writer, i can't see the menu of openoffice writer. I only see F____ E____ V_____ ....... and i can't switch to any chinese typing server. That means i can't input any chinese. I have checked the server. Everything works fine. I can type chinese. The openoffice writer has chinese menu. Have you faced this problem? Sorry I am newbie in k12ltsp. Would you mind to help me? ----------------------------------------------------------------- ?????Email???? ????Yahoo!????? http://tw.companion.yahoo.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Apr 17 15:50:29 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:50:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mozilla via Macintosh Thick Client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40815245.30805@inlandlakes.org> Alan A Hodson wrote: >> How much RAM on your iBook versus the thick Macintosh? >> >> If you put more RAM in the Macintosh, will it work? I'll have to look for bigger RAM chips to test. There are 32 MB in the mac. i think I can scrounge 2 32MB chips and see. The iBook is my daily use computer, and I have 384MB of ram in it. It also has a nicer video card too. I was hoping that SWAP on the macintosh would offset any lack of memory, sorta like NFS Swap does on the intel clients (only without the NFS bandwidth usage) I'll try more ram and see. -Shawn From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 17 16:54:15 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:54:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OOserver In-Reply-To: <20040417111334.GA5478@wizzy.com> References: <20040417111334.GA5478@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1082220854.10554.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 06:13, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > We do this for our 31 station lab. Rsh is utilized between the two > > boxes on a "closed" loop (crossover cable between the "desktop" server > > and the "application" server using gigabit). > > Why ? > > Surely the traffic is between the terminal and the "desktop" server, > and the terminal and the "application" server ? > > Maybe I am mis-understanding something ? A separate interface would help with the rsh (lack of) security issue since it is based on IP addresses. If nothing else is on the subnet/interface with the permitted address it is harder to spoof. Also, if the desktop server holds the home directories you would probably have that mounted on the application server through the private connection. > As an aside, where does window manager traffic come in here ? It is between the terminal and the desktop server where it runs. Personally I think there is a missing concept in the whole X business, and that is how to display an application menu from a remote server without running the whole window manager there. As things stand, when you add an application to a server it may add itself to the local kde/gnome desktop menus, but if you want to execute it from elsewhere you have to know where it is and hand-configure a script to run it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 17 17:28:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:28:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff In-Reply-To: <1082175938.9006.11.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> References: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1082175938.9006.11.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1082222884.10554.48.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 23:25, Andrew Fournier wrote: > This would seem to imply that large central ( or clustered?) application > and home servers connected to from lab and classroom level ltsp servers > would be what is wanted for a building wide implementation, right? This > kinda brings up kimberlite & LVM for the home server..... Having a central authentication server and home directories makes sense, but whether you should offload apps from the local desktop servers or not is a trade-off that is going to depend on local circumstances. You will gain some efficiency by running more copies of the same app on the same machine where linux will share the memory, and perhaps some stability because upgrades may be done separately on these machines. However you now have to maintain custom menus and machines that are not all identical clones. You also may need a more expensive network backbone to match the performance of a classroom server with a gigabit uplink to a classroom switch behind the local server. A compromise might be to start with a 'staff' application server where you maintain programs not needed in every classroom but run all the student desktops and apps from identical/interchangeable local servers. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From adfour at mtaonline.net Sat Apr 17 18:25:59 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:25:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] can't type chinese in the client computer. In-Reply-To: <20040417144936.92815.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040417144936.92815.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1082226348.6130.1.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> This might be off the wall, but maybe enabling xfs font server would help? I think it is in opt/ltsp/etc/sysconfig...something like that--The config files for the ltsp client X. -A fournier On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 06:49, Gary Cheung wrote: > I have set up a server and a client of k12ltsp. > when booting the client disk, it seems everything work. But when i turn on the openoffice writer, > i can't see the menu of openoffice writer. I only see F____ E____ V_____ ....... and i can't > switch to any chinese typing server. That means i can't input any chinese. > > I have checked the server. Everything works fine. I can type chinese. The openoffice writer has > chinese menu. > > Have you faced this problem? Sorry I am newbie in k12ltsp. Would you mind to help me? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ???????????????Email???????????? > ????????????Yahoo!??????????????? > http://tw.companion.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From adfour at mtaonline.net Sat Apr 17 18:33:02 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:33:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <1082222884.10554.48.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1082175938.9006.11.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082222884.10554.48.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1082226782.6130.7.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> Yeah, I thought about that after my post-- that past a point I might be running too much hardware just to share out an office suite. I'll experiment on a smaller scale and see how it works out. My interest in doing the system with central app and home servers is that I think we might end up seeing more or less generic dell classroom servers (cheap hard drives) and I think it might actually easier to pitch a few big bad app servers than a bunch of beefy classroom servers. We have been using Novell, you see.... BTW is there ANYTHING novell provides that I can't do with linux? I can't think of anything.... Sat, 2004-04-17 at 09:28, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 23:25, Andrew Fournier wrote: > > This would seem to imply that large central ( or clustered?) application > > and home servers connected to from lab and classroom level ltsp servers > > would be what is wanted for a building wide implementation, right? This > > kinda brings up kimberlite & LVM for the home server..... > > Having a central authentication server and home directories makes > sense, but whether you should offload apps from the local > desktop servers or not is a trade-off that is going to depend > on local circumstances. You will gain some efficiency by > running more copies of the same app on the same machine where > linux will share the memory, and perhaps some stability because > upgrades may be done separately on these machines. However > you now have to maintain custom menus and machines that > are not all identical clones. You also may need a more expensive > network backbone to match the performance of a classroom > server with a gigabit uplink to a classroom switch behind the > local server. A compromise might be to start with a 'staff' > application server where you maintain programs not needed > in every classroom but run all the student desktops and apps > from identical/interchangeable local servers. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Apr 17 20:15:14 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: 17 Apr 2004 16:15:14 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Scalability (long email) In-Reply-To: <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> References: <200404062126.08448.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1081628263.13927.354.camel@L143nb01> <40785BE4.9090804@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1082232914.3617.210.camel@L143nb01> On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 16:41, norbert wrote: > Has anyone setup rdesktop with linux on 20 + workstations ? (With > Win2K) and what specs are needed for the Win2K server to handle the > load. > We've setup a P-II 500 Mhz with 512mb ram and can barely launch 3 > connections. The response is incrediblly SLOW.... Norbert, We have a dual 800MHz Xeon with 4GB ram running Windows 2003 server and have connected 25 rdesktop connections running Web Matrix (an freeware ASP development tool) simultaneously without problem. -- Thanks, John Hansknecht "I would like to be able to love my country and justice too." Albert Camus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun Apr 18 00:44:01 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:14:01 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS problem In-Reply-To: <4081047F.3010604@frodo.wsa.edu.pl> References: <20040417052313.45606.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> <4081047F.3010604@frodo.wsa.edu.pl> Message-ID: <1082249041.13882.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 15:48, Rafal Jozwiak wrote: > Hello Everyone! > Im new in here :) [SNIP] Please do try to create a new thread and not hijack existing thread with just pressing reply button and changing the subject line. This does not change the messages id and your messages appeared between the posts on Splitting loads thread. When you start a message using create new message button the message id is distinct. That said you are welcome. > Im using K12LTSP 4.0.1 (Fedora core 1) > I have problems running Terminal (Rom-o-matic) > I see this: > eth0: Realtek RTL-8029 found at ..... > (null)mount program didn't pass remote address! > mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid > argument > ERROR: Failed to mount the root directory via NFS! > > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). //Im using ext3 > Trying to move old root to /initrd ... failed > Unmounting old root > Trying to free ramdisk memory ... failed AFAIK RTL-8029 is a ISA bus card so have you used the option-128 and option-129 lines in your dhcpd setup? You have to do this for ISA cards to work. www.rom-o-matic.org www.ltsp.org has documented this. I am also learning so I hope this solves your problem. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From faengoy at yahoo.com Sun Apr 18 01:47:16 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: can't type chinese in the client In-Reply-To: <20040417160035.0B8A973F85@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040418014716.81010.qmail@web20726.mail.yahoo.com> Gary, I don't use Chinese, but I do use Thai, and it requires some hacks to get going. I've even written a HowTo for it, but it won't help you because it is in Thai ;) Firstly, sounds like you are missing the necessary fonts. You need to edit lts.conf so that XFS (font server) is used and all fonts from the server are available on the clients. Secondly, edit the /etc/X11/fs/config file, comment out the #no-listen = tcp line and restart xfs with service xfs restart. Boot your terminal and see if that helps. For keyboard switching, I manually hack the necessary XFree lines into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.setupx so that it looks like this: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "keyboard" Option "XkbLayout" "${XkbLayout:-"us"}" Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll,grp:switch" BTW, I submitted a patch for this a while back (to allow XkbOptions in the lts.conf file) but it never made it into the main tree. Hope this solves your problems. Daniel ------------------------------------- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:49:36 +0800 (CST) From: =?big5?q?Gary=20Cheung?= Subject: [K12OSN] can't type chinese in the client computer. To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <20040417144936.92815.qmail at web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 I have set up a server and a client of k12ltsp. when booting the client disk, it seems everything work. But when i turn on the openoffice writer, i can't see the menu of openoffice writer. I only see F____ E____ V_____ ....... and i can't switch to any chinese typing server. That means i can't input any chinese. I have checked the server. Everything works fine. I can type chinese. The openoffice writer has chinese menu. Have you faced this problem? Sorry I am newbie in k12ltsp. Would you mind to help me? ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From garyckw at yahoo.com Sun Apr 18 04:32:27 2004 From: garyckw at yahoo.com (=?big5?q?Gary=20Cheung?=) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:32:27 +0800 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: can't type chinese in the client In-Reply-To: <20040418014716.81010.qmail@web20726.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040418043227.60128.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> that's it. I haven't tested it. But i am sure it is the solution! Thank you so much!!!! And i think this option should be added into the main tree. They don't because they only use english and don't see the blind spot. ^^ Dan Bo wrote: Gary, I don't use Chinese, but I do use Thai, and it requires some hacks to get going. I've even written a HowTo for it, but it won't help you because it is in Thai ;) Firstly, sounds like you are missing the necessary fonts. You need to edit lts.conf so that XFS (font server) is used and all fonts from the server are available on the clients. Secondly, edit the /etc/X11/fs/config file, comment out the #no-listen = tcp line and restart xfs with service xfs restart. Boot your terminal and see if that helps. For keyboard switching, I manually hack the necessary XFree lines into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.setupx so that it looks like this: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "keyboard" Option "XkbLayout" "${XkbLayout:-"us"}" Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll,grp:switch" BTW, I submitted a patch for this a while back (to allow XkbOptions in the lts.conf file) but it never made it into the main tree. Hope this solves your problems. Daniel ------------------------------------- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:49:36 +0800 (CST) From: =?big5?q?Gary=20Cheung?= Subject: [K12OSN] can't type chinese in the client computer. To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <20040417144936.92815.qmail at web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 I have set up a server and a client of k12ltsp. when booting the client disk, it seems everything work. But when i turn on the openoffice writer, i can't see the menu of openoffice writer. I only see F____ E____ V_____ ....... and i can't switch to any chinese typing server. That means i can't input any chinese. I have checked the server. Everything works fine. I can type chinese. The openoffice writer has chinese menu. Have you faced this problem? Sorry I am newbie in k12ltsp. Would you mind to help me? ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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URL: From les at futuresource.com Sun Apr 18 05:10:27 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:10:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <1082226782.6130.7.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> References: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1082175938.9006.11.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082222884.10554.48.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1082226782.6130.7.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1082265026.11136.495.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 13:33, Andrew Fournier wrote: > Yeah, I thought about that after my post-- that past a point I might be > running too much hardware just to share out an office suite. I'll > experiment on a smaller scale and see how it works out. My interest in > doing the system with central app and home servers is that I think we > might end up seeing more or less generic dell classroom servers (cheap > hard drives) and I think it might actually easier to pitch a few big bad > app servers than a bunch of beefy classroom servers. We have been using > Novell, you see.... I think the total amount of RAM involved is going to determine most of the price and performance, regardless of how you slice and dice, and a flock of so-so boxes will probably come out cheaper than a few high end monsters. Plus, it is always handy to have a spare or two and that's easier with cheaper boxes. > BTW is there ANYTHING novell provides that I can't do with linux? I > can't think of anything.... I don't think anything is really missing with Linux, but you'll have to work a lot harder to get a central LDAP authentication server set up. It would be nice if someone could package that with the current schemas for PosixAccount/SambaAccount and whatever it takes to direct email delivery already set up with a GUI or web based user management tool. I think the parts are all available but so far I haven't seen anything that works out of the box. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com > Sat, 2004-04-17 at 09:28, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 23:25, Andrew Fournier wrote: > > > This would seem to imply that large central ( or clustered?) application > > > and home servers connected to from lab and classroom level ltsp servers > > > would be what is wanted for a building wide implementation, right? This > > > kinda brings up kimberlite & LVM for the home server..... > > > > Having a central authentication server and home directories makes > > sense, but whether you should offload apps from the local > > desktop servers or not is a trade-off that is going to depend > > on local circumstances. You will gain some efficiency by > > running more copies of the same app on the same machine where > > linux will share the memory, and perhaps some stability because > > upgrades may be done separately on these machines. However > > you now have to maintain custom menus and machines that > > are not all identical clones. You also may need a more expensive > > network backbone to match the performance of a classroom > > server with a gigabit uplink to a classroom switch behind the > > local server. A compromise might be to start with a 'staff' > > application server where you maintain programs not needed > > in every classroom but run all the student desktops and apps > > from identical/interchangeable local servers. > > > > --- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From adfour at mtaonline.net Sun Apr 18 06:49:32 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:49:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <1082265026.11136.495.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1082175938.9006.11.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082222884.10554.48.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1082226782.6130.7.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082265026.11136.495.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1082270948.6580.4.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> There are a couple issues with the so-so servers. They leave me in the position of needing a central home (though that is needed for user mobility anyway) and will ide drives handle 20+ clients? would offloading some processes (as well as home ) help? surely exporting home will help a lot. Cheap refurbished scsis would help but that is hard to get past purchasing..... Thanks, A. fournier Palmer Alaska On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 21:10, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 13:33, Andrew Fournier wrote: > > Yeah, I thought about that after my post-- that past a point I might be > > running too much hardware just to share out an office suite. I'll > > experiment on a smaller scale and see how it works out. My interest in > > doing the system with central app and home servers is that I think we > > might end up seeing more or less generic dell classroom servers (cheap > > hard drives) and I think it might actually easier to pitch a few big bad > > app servers than a bunch of beefy classroom servers. We have been using > > Novell, you see.... > > I think the total amount of RAM involved is going to determine > most of the price and performance, regardless of how you slice > and dice, and a flock of so-so boxes will probably come out > cheaper than a few high end monsters. Plus, it is always handy > to have a spare or two and that's easier with cheaper boxes. > > > BTW is there ANYTHING novell provides that I can't do with linux? I > > can't think of anything.... > > I don't think anything is really missing with Linux, but you'll > have to work a lot harder to get a central LDAP authentication > server set up. It would be nice if someone could package that > with the current schemas for PosixAccount/SambaAccount and > whatever it takes to direct email delivery already set up with > a GUI or web based user management tool. I think the parts > are all available but so far I haven't seen anything that works > out of the box. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > Sat, 2004-04-17 at 09:28, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 23:25, Andrew Fournier wrote: > > > > This would seem to imply that large central ( or clustered?) application > > > > and home servers connected to from lab and classroom level ltsp servers > > > > would be what is wanted for a building wide implementation, right? This > > > > kinda brings up kimberlite & LVM for the home server..... > > > > > > Having a central authentication server and home directories makes > > > sense, but whether you should offload apps from the local > > > desktop servers or not is a trade-off that is going to depend > > > on local circumstances. You will gain some efficiency by > > > running more copies of the same app on the same machine where > > > linux will share the memory, and perhaps some stability because > > > upgrades may be done separately on these machines. However > > > you now have to maintain custom menus and machines that > > > are not all identical clones. You also may need a more expensive > > > network backbone to match the performance of a classroom > > > server with a gigabit uplink to a classroom switch behind the > > > local server. A compromise might be to start with a 'staff' > > > application server where you maintain programs not needed > > > in every classroom but run all the student desktops and apps > > > from identical/interchangeable local servers. > > > > > > --- > > > Les Mikesell > > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Sun Apr 18 14:51:35 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:51:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <1082270948.6580.4.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> References: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1082175938.9006.11.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082222884.10554.48.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1082226782.6130.7.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082265026.11136.495.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1082270948.6580.4.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1082299894.28100.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 01:49, Andrew Fournier wrote: > There are a couple issues with the so-so servers. They leave me in the > position of needing a central home (though that is needed for user > mobility anyway) In return for building a central authentication, home, and email server, all the other boxes become interchangeable and almost disposable. You can keep a shelf spare instead of backing them up. > and will ide drives handle 20+ clients? would > offloading some processes (as well as home ) help? surely exporting home > will help a lot. The key is to have 4 gigs of ram in the desktop servers so most read activity will be cached. I'd also try to put /var on a 2nd drive (on the 2nd controller) so log writes don't compete with application reads. > Cheap refurbished scsis would help but that is hard to get past > purchasing..... With Dell, the place to save money is to buy 3rd party RAM. At www.penguincomputing.com you can get RAM included at a good price and covered by their warranty (although RAM seldom is bad these days). However the Dell 2650's have a nice remote management feature where you can reboot them and get to bios from a separate network connection - but again that is something you would almost never need. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Apr 18 22:57:52 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:57:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <1082299894.28100.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1082175938.9006.11.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082222884.10554.48.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1082226782.6130.7.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082265026.11136.495.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1082270948.6580.4.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082299894.28100.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <408307F0.60601@cmosnetworks.com> The one problem I have with Dell now is that they're offshoring all their support options. That's one reason why I would recommend Penguin Computing--the support is here, their boxes have gotten quite favorable reviews, and it's a good value for the money that you spend. You can get a dual Opteron box that'll take at least 8GB, which should sufficiently address any IDE disk needs. Mine has 4GB, serves 25 clients, and runs like a top. --TP Les Mikesell wrote: > With Dell, the place to save money is to buy 3rd party RAM. > >At www.penguincomputing.com you can get RAM included at >a good price and covered by their warranty (although RAM >seldom is bad these days). However the Dell 2650's have >a nice remote management feature where you can reboot them >and get to bios from a separate network connection - but >again that is something you would almost never need. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > From penguintiz at yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 00:49:23 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: <20040416174159.597B9736C7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040419004923.36832.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Go to rpmfind.net. It will list several netatalk modules you can choose from Dave >>>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:57:55 -0500 >>From: "Jim Kronebusch" Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Message-ID: <00ef01c423d3$f9932c20$1b1b060a at winonacotter.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Only building from source because I don't have an RPM. Where could I get one, I didn't see it in sourceforge. Would this really modify the kernel? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sun Apr 18 19:15:08 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:15:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] xdm's Chooser feature Message-ID: <20040418151508.7fb22440.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> I was wondering if any of you have fiddled with xdm and the chooser feature. I have a laptop that runs as a stand alone sometime, and other times as an X terminal with my desktop as my server, and other times as an X terminal with my K12LTSP server at school. I have found that xdm has the ability to allow you to "choose" which one you log into, but I could not figure it out. I have already gone through the mini-how-to, but could not get it to work. I was hoping that someone out there could give me a little insight. As of now, xdm starts on boot-up, but only accessing the local X server, I then have to go to a vertual terminal, log-in then issue 'X :1 -query xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' I would like for xdm to show the three choices when I start. At least, that is how I understand the documentation for the chooser feature of xdm. Am I understanding this right? Could anyone send my a copy of the config files? I have tried, but I seem to be doing something wrong and I can not figure it out. From adfour at mtaonline.net Mon Apr 19 03:32:57 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:32:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <408307F0.60601@cmosnetworks.com> References: <001d01c423e0$5e0be1e0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200404161427.39959.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <1082175938.9006.11.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082222884.10554.48.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1082226782.6130.7.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082265026.11136.495.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1082270948.6580.4.camel@rdbck-50.palmer.mtaonline.net> <1082299894.28100.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <408307F0.60601@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1082345572.32729.1.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> I'd prefer to make the machine in-house, frankly. Penguin would be better than dell, certainly. For now though I don't have the influence to make these things happen. The fact that the drives in our clamshell dells seem to die more often than expected should help. Their fault for using cheap western digitals. -A. Fournier Palmer On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 14:57, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > The one problem I have with Dell now is that they're offshoring all > their support options. That's one reason why I would recommend Penguin > Computing--the support is here, their boxes have gotten quite favorable > reviews, and it's a good value for the money that you spend. > > You can get a dual Opteron box that'll take at least 8GB, which should > sufficiently address any IDE disk needs. Mine has 4GB, serves 25 > clients, and runs like a top. > > --TP > > Les Mikesell wrote: > > > With Dell, the place to save money is to buy 3rd party RAM. > > > >At www.penguincomputing.com you can get RAM included at > >a good price and covered by their warranty (although RAM > >seldom is bad these days). However the Dell 2650's have > >a nice remote management feature where you can reboot them > >and get to bios from a separate network connection - but > >again that is something you would almost never need. > > > >--- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From adfour at mtaonline.net Mon Apr 19 03:36:07 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:36:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] xdm's Chooser feature In-Reply-To: <20040418151508.7fb22440.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <20040418151508.7fb22440.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <1082345767.32729.5.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> I have only played with this a little, but won't (rather than ) get you a choice of servers? I seem to remember something along those lines. If it does, then maybe just make an executable script out of it and name it with some short command. A. Fournier Palmer Ak On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 11:15, Gentgeen wrote: > I was wondering if any of you have fiddled with xdm and the chooser feature. I have a laptop that runs as a stand alone sometime, and other times as an X terminal with my desktop as my server, and other times as an X terminal with my K12LTSP server at school. I have found that xdm has the ability to allow you to "choose" which one you log into, but I could not figure it out. I have already gone through the mini-how-to, but could not get it to work. I was hoping that someone out there could give me a little insight. > > As of now, xdm starts on boot-up, but only accessing the local X server, I then have to go to a vertual terminal, log-in then issue 'X :1 -query xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' I would like for xdm to show the three choices when I start. At least, that is how I understand the documentation for the chooser feature of xdm. Am I understanding this right? > > Could anyone send my a copy of the config files? I have tried, but I seem to be doing something wrong and I can not figure it out. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Mon Apr 19 08:07:51 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:07:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Edit Gnome menu In-Reply-To: <04Apr17.121528cest.87125@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <20040415002724.GB3446@etria.com> <04Apr17.121528cest.87125@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <61009.195.84.143.98.1082362071.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Hi! In Redhat gnome menu editing is turned off becuase of a tendency to corrupt the menus if you alter them from nautilus. You can turn menu editing on again by: su - cd /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules cp default-modules.conf default-modules.conf-no-menu-editing cp default-modules.conf.with-menu-editing default-modules.conf And then go to applications-all-users:/// and edit but be very careful because you can end up having to hand edit to correct errors in /etc/X11/desktop-menus/applications-menu. Cheers! PS. If you really want to edit menus use KDE wich has and excellent menu editor if you just right click on the start menu. DS. > Found a site saying: > In nautilus go to url > > Applications:/// > > So I did...and voila...can see all the menus etc, but when I attempt to > delete any of the items > I receive an error "unsupported operation" while attempting to delete > applications...mic.desktop > (merely attempting to get rid of non-educational games that suck up tons > of resources) > > --Huck > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of bskahan at etria.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:27 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Edit Gnome menu > > > The gnome menu system is built with gnome-vfs, and generated from the > *.desktop files in /usr/share/applications. To edit it log in as root, > or run nautilus as root. > > go the url > applications-all-users:/// > > This will give you a nautilus view of the applications menu. You can > rearrange it by drag-n-drop. I haven't checked gnome 2.4 (what's in > k12ltsp 4) but it works for gnome 2.6. Gnome 2.6 has a number of new > "lock down" features that are extremely useful in a lab environment. > Now if gconf would only get group level control it would be gold. > > hth, > -Brian > > -- > Brian P. Skahan e: bskahan at etria.com > Partner, Desktop Applications Lead p: 410-837-3992 > http://www.etria.com c: 410-370-7706 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Mon Apr 19 08:55:54 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:55:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Load balancing on ltsp, successful/failed attempts? Message-ID: <51279.195.84.143.98.1082364954.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Hi! I have just ordered two more servers and i want to try out real load balancing on ltsp. In my calculations it is much cheaper to byu two fairly standard one cpu 3Ghz scsi servers than to buy a dual CPU server. Have anyone tried load balancing and was it successful, what did you do and what didnt work? Im planning on writing up a howto about it if i succeed so any pointers is much appriciated. Im not after mosix among the clients but real load balancing between servers and hopefully redundancy and fail-over. Cheers! From guto at e-saap.com Mon Apr 19 12:16:08 2004 From: guto at e-saap.com (guto campos) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:16:08 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop with 16 bpp color on ltsp Message-ID: <004601c42608$38faf060$fcc8a8c0@winxp> Does Anyone knows how to put a new version of rdesktop (like 1.3.1 with 16 bpp color suport - RDP 5.1) in a terminal (LTSP - /opt/ltsp/i386/) ? For the machine its ok... but in terminal has a old version without -a option... thanks Guto From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 19 13:13:16 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:13:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Load balancing on ltsp, successful/failed attempts? In-Reply-To: <51279.195.84.143.98.1082364954.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> References: <51279.195.84.143.98.1082364954.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1082380396.5214.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 03:55, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > I have just ordered two more servers and i want to try out real load > balancing on ltsp. In my calculations it is much cheaper to byu two fairly > standard one cpu 3Ghz scsi servers than to buy a dual CPU server. > I'd expect that not to be true by the time you add enough RAM to both servers to account for the program executable and disk cache that would be shared in a single server, but you do see bargains on lower end equipment more often. > Have anyone tried load balancing and was it successful, what did you do > and what didnt work? There is always brute force: put the terminals on separate or vlan'd switches behind each server, but you don't get failover that way. I haven't tried this, but in theory you should be able to put the servers on the same subnet with different addresses and split the DHCP range between the servers. Whichever one answered faster would supply the address and boot options to the terminal. This would probably require adjusting some assumptions in the k12ltsp setup. Hmmm, you could probably get away with overlaying 2 subnets on the same wire so the only change needed would be the inside address of one server. Then you just have to see if the machines win the race at random or how much load it takes on one before the other starts winning. You'll need a separate home directory server to make this work transparently and fail over nicely. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Mon Apr 19 13:22:04 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:22:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] xdm's Chooser feature In-Reply-To: <20040418151508.7fb22440.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <20040418151508.7fb22440.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <4083D27C.2010909@maltzen.net> As an alternative approach, you could run Xnest on your laptop and point it either at your desktop server or your K12LTSP server. Xnest allows you to run xdmcp queries of other servers, in a window, by using display :1 (your laptop's display is likely on :0). I do this on my laptop. I setup an icon on the desktop that points at my ltsp server such that when I click on it, it brings up the login screen in a separate window. I think you can also set it to run full-screen, but whenever I try that I have trouble getting back to display :0 so I just use a window. I use it mostly to run IE on top of Win4Lin, which is installed on my ltsp server; I can't justify buying a whole second copy to keep on my laptop, because I don't use very often, but this gives me easy access to it on those odd times when I need it. Petre Gentgeen wrote: > I was wondering if any of you have fiddled with xdm and the chooser feature. I have a laptop that runs as a stand alone sometime, and other times as an X terminal with my desktop as my server, and other times as an X terminal with my K12LTSP server at school. I have found that xdm has the ability to allow you to "choose" which one you log into, but I could not figure it out. I have already gone through the mini-how-to, but could not get it to work. I was hoping that someone out there could give me a little insight. > > As of now, xdm starts on boot-up, but only accessing the local X server, I then have to go to a vertual terminal, log-in then issue 'X :1 -query xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' I would like for xdm to show the three choices when I start. At least, that is how I understand the documentation for the chooser feature of xdm. Am I understanding this right? > > Could anyone send my a copy of the config files? I have tried, but I seem to be doing something wrong and I can not figure it out. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Apr 19 13:34:07 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:34:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <034d01c42613$007861e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks for you help everyone. The more info I got the farther into things I was able to dig. Turns out the kernel I had for WBEL was compiled for appletalk support but the modules were missing. So I went through all the steps to compile the kernel and built the modules, then just used those modules with the existing kernels. Thanks Les for the .config tip, that helped me get the module set that I needed. I was able to enjoy the excellent weather after all :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Heath Henderson Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 2:17 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL Depending on the system, I had to enter this on our old RH 6 boxes /etc/modules.conf alias net-pf-5 appletalk May be in /etc/conf.modules on older systems. That should allow Atalk to load as a module as that is how it is compiled into the kernel I believe. Thanks Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> jim at winonacotter.org 04/16/04 02:06PM >>> How do you get this kernel? Via yum install kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jamie Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:54 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL I got 1.6.4 compiled and installed on RHAS 3. The kernel doesn't have appletalk support built into it. You need to use kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL from Redahat. And reboot That did the trick for me. jamie On 4/16/04 7:36 AM, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > Has anyone installed netatalk successfully into WBEL? I downloaded > the netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz from sourceforge did a tar zxf > netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz ./configure > make > make install > > and am stuck. I have read something about no Appletalk support > compliled into the kernel, do I have to recompile? Also I cannot find > the atalkd.conf anywhere and I don't see a atalkd service installed. > What am I missing? I installed the Webmin Module for Netatalk and > that as well says the Netatalk is not installed. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > - Jamie _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Mon Apr 19 13:36:00 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:36:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: <034d01c42613$007861e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <034d01c42613$007861e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4083D5C0.5040702@maltzen.net> Did you enjoy last night's excellent weather, too? ;-) (apologies to list for making an inside-Minnesota joke; we had thunderstorms with 60mph winds last night, and even a tornado, though no one was hurt). Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Thanks for you help everyone. The more info I got the farther into > things I was able to dig. Turns out the kernel I had for WBEL was > compiled for appletalk support but the modules were missing. So I went > through all the steps to compile the kernel and built the modules, then > just used those modules with the existing kernels. Thanks Les for the > .config tip, that helped me get the module set that I needed. > > I was able to enjoy the excellent weather after all :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Heath Henderson > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 2:17 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL > > > Depending on the system, I had to enter this on our old RH 6 boxes > > /etc/modules.conf > > alias net-pf-5 appletalk > > > May be in /etc/conf.modules on older systems. > > That should allow Atalk to load as a module as that is how it is > compiled into the kernel I believe. > > Thanks > > > Heath Henderson > Assistant Technology Administrator > McLean County Unit 5 Schools > Normal, IL 61761 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q > Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE > =BWZp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >>>>jim at winonacotter.org 04/16/04 02:06PM >>> > > How do you get this kernel? Via yum install > kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of jamie > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:54 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL > > > I got 1.6.4 compiled and installed on RHAS 3. > > The kernel doesn't have appletalk support built into it. You need to use > kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL from Redahat. And reboot > > That did the trick for me. > > jamie > > On 4/16/04 7:36 AM, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > > >>Has anyone installed netatalk successfully into WBEL? I downloaded >>the netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz from sourceforge did a tar zxf >>netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz ./configure >>make >>make install >> >>and am stuck. I have read something about no Appletalk support >>compliled into the kernel, do I have to recompile? Also I cannot find > > >>the atalkd.conf anywhere and I don't see a atalkd service installed. >>What am I missing? I installed the Webmin Module for Netatalk and >>that as well says the Netatalk is not installed. >> >>Thanks >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > - Jamie > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pantz at lqt.ca Mon Apr 19 13:38:42 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:38:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla via Macintosh Thick Client In-Reply-To: <200404161121.06552.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <200404161121.06552.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4083D662.7010507@lqt.ca> Shawn Powers wrote: >I'm trying to troubleshoot the issue I have where mozilla dies on the >macintosh thin client (ok, "thick" client using the X -query method). > >Is there a way to get mozilla to tell me WHY it's crashing? Is there flag to >get it to go into debug mode? > > > maybe try running mozilla from a shell and then you might see some error messages when it quits on ya? pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Apr 19 14:02:31 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:02:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: <4083D5C0.5040702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <035301c42616$f807e720$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Yah dare, you betcha! :-) Sorry couldn't resist -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:36 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL Did you enjoy last night's excellent weather, too? ;-) (apologies to list for making an inside-Minnesota joke; we had thunderstorms with 60mph winds last night, and even a tornado, though no one was hurt). Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Thanks for you help everyone. The more info I got the farther into > things I was able to dig. Turns out the kernel I had for WBEL was > compiled for appletalk support but the modules were missing. So I > went through all the steps to compile the kernel and built the > modules, then just used those modules with the existing kernels. > Thanks Les for the .config tip, that helped me get the module set that > I needed. > > I was able to enjoy the excellent weather after all :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Heath Henderson > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 2:17 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL > > > Depending on the system, I had to enter this on our old RH 6 boxes > > /etc/modules.conf > > alias net-pf-5 appletalk > > > May be in /etc/conf.modules on older systems. > > That should allow Atalk to load as a module as that is how it is > compiled into the kernel I believe. > > Thanks > > > Heath Henderson > Assistant Technology Administrator > McLean County Unit 5 Schools > Normal, IL 61761 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q > Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE > =BWZp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >>>>jim at winonacotter.org 04/16/04 02:06PM >>> > > How do you get this kernel? Via yum install > kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of jamie > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:54 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL > > > I got 1.6.4 compiled and installed on RHAS 3. > > The kernel doesn't have appletalk support built into it. You need to > use kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL from Redahat. And reboot > > That did the trick for me. > > jamie > > On 4/16/04 7:36 AM, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > > >>Has anyone installed netatalk successfully into WBEL? I downloaded >>the netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz from sourceforge did a tar zxf >>netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz ./configure make >>make install >> >>and am stuck. I have read something about no Appletalk support >>compliled into the kernel, do I have to recompile? Also I cannot find > > >>the atalkd.conf anywhere and I don't see a atalkd service installed. >>What am I missing? I installed the Webmin Module for Netatalk and >>that as well says the Netatalk is not installed. >> >>Thanks >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > - Jamie > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Apr 19 14:10:36 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:10:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Time in Signature Message-ID: Does enyone know of a way to make a signature in an email include a timestamp based on system time? I know the email header includes time information but I would like to have the current time that the email was created included in the signature. Thanks -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From petre at maltzen.net Mon Apr 19 14:30:03 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:30:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Time in Signature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4083E26B.60102@maltzen.net> I suspect that may depend on the email client. If it's a unix-based client, you might be able to have the sig point to a script which could pull the date, etc. If it's Windows, don't bet on it. Petre Doug Simpson wrote: > Does enyone know of a way to make a signature in an email include a > timestamp based on system time? I know the email header includes time > information but I would like to have the current time that the email was > created included in the signature. > > Thanks > From barry at yellowdog.com Mon Apr 19 14:38:18 2004 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:38:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) Message-ID: <4083E45A.5070501@yellowdog.com> >BTW is there ANYTHING novell provides that I can't do with linux? I >can't think of anything.... Soapbox alert!!! :) The big reason we still run Netware servers in our shop is Zen for desktops. It allows us to send, resend and update applications on Windows desktops better than anything else we've tried. Example? When we roll out the new Thunderbird mail client in a few months all 400 desktops (in 12 buildings) will get the mail client delivered (and configured) automatically. It will have each user's information, e-mail address, etc. and the user will have to do absolutely *no* configuration for themselves. We figure that'll save our department between 100 and 200 hours of repetitive, boring install silliness. Not to mention cutting down the help desk calls! Thats why we still have Netware and app launcher in the shop. Ok, thats my rant. Anyone have a way to do this with a linux backend instead of Netware? Thanks, Barry From andyr at wizzy.com Mon Apr 19 14:01:19 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:01:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Load balancing on ltsp, successful/failed attempts? In-Reply-To: <1082380396.5214.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <51279.195.84.143.98.1082364954.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> <1082380396.5214.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040419140119.GK12063@wizzy.com> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Have anyone tried load balancing and was it successful, what did you do > > and what didnt work? > > There is always brute force: put the terminals on separate or > vlan'd switches behind each server, but you don't get failover > that way. There has been some very archiveable discussion of large networks and redundancy in the last 2 weeks - thanks. http://developer.skolelinux.no/index.html.en also has a nice arrangement for the network. How about the following for a large network with multiple classrooms ? [ I use classroom for convenience - applies to enterprise as well ] Each classroom :- 1 switch, 100Mbit, 1 GigE port. 1 application server, two GigE ports. 2 networks - one GigE enterprise-wide network, connecting to one GigE port on the application server, and hosting mail and /home for everyone. Monster RAID, enterprise-wide authentication, backup, etc, etc. Secondary network, per classroom, served by the switch above, to connect clients to the Application server. Any classroom could upgrade to N GigE ports on the switch, and N application servers, each with 2 GigE ports. All application servers are generic, IDE, and there is a spare on the shelf of the IT dept, and can be doubled up in classrooms. The DHCP network is private to each classroom, and thus will only see the local application server(s). This would be hosted either on a little box that just does DHCP, NFS (for client / filesystem) and local lts.conf, or hosted on one of the application servers. client rc.local scripts changed to do X -indirect instead of X -query. /home traffic is separated from graphics to the clients. Now anyone can log in anywhere, but applications are limited to those available in the classroom. Cheers, Andy! From morris_r at 4j.lane.edu Mon Apr 19 15:04:54 2004 From: morris_r at 4j.lane.edu (Roger) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:04:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Time in Signature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040419150454.GA20830@4j.lane.edu> Around Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 09:10:36AM -0500, Doug Simpson, wrote: > Does enyone know of a way to make a signature in an email include a > timestamp based on system time? I know the email header includes time > information but I would like to have the current time that the email was > created included in the signature. > kind of like that down there? With mutt, put in your .muttrc the line: set signature="~/bin/sig|" Then create ~/bin/sig contents: #!/bin/bash echo "Your Name" echo "your other info" echo `date` -- Roger Morris 687-3579 morris_r at 4j.lane.edu Mon Apr 19 08:02:46 PDT 2004 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Apr 19 15:19:45 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:19:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Time in Signature In-Reply-To: <4083E26B.60102@maltzen.net> Message-ID: It is linux, and we're using NeoMail (or pine). Doug On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Petre Scheie wrote: > I suspect that may depend on the email client. If it's a unix-based client, you > might be able to have the sig point to a script which could pull the date, etc. > If it's Windows, don't bet on it. > > Petre > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > Does enyone know of a way to make a signature in an email include a > > timestamp based on system time? I know the email header includes time > > information but I would like to have the current time that the email was > > created included in the signature. > > > > Thanks > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 19 15:27:58 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:27:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <4083E45A.5070501@yellowdog.com> References: <4083E45A.5070501@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <1082388477.7696.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 09:38, Barry Solof wrote: > The big reason we still run Netware servers in our shop is Zen for > desktops. It allows us to send, resend and update applications on > Windows desktops better than anything else we've tried. [...] > Ok, thats my rant. Anyone have a way to do this with a linux backend > instead of Netware? If you switch the desktops to linux terminals with the home directories accessible to an administrator, all installs/configuration changes that involve individual config files become a shell or perl script loop that substitutes personal values into a template. If you stick with windows, you'll need a commercial tool that knows how to deal with the registry, but most of those don't require netware and wouldn't care that some files come from samba mounts. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Apr 19 15:38:33 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:38:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <4083E45A.5070501@yellowdog.com> References: <4083E45A.5070501@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <9DDA76BA-9217-11D8-8019-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Isn't Zen available for linux now?? On Apr 19, 2004, at 9:38 AM, Barry Solof wrote: > > > The big reason we still run Netware servers in our shop is Zen for > desktops. It allows us to send, resend and update applications on > Windows desktops better than anything else we've tried. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkCD8noACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSSAgCeNm9M0UeNuswbe+X87gJ7azw4 QOkAnR6I8jzdqEgTQRDASSP+9qwwsHeR =IoBP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Apr 19 16:10:48 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:10:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO for K12LTSP 4.1 Devel Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0FC@remail2.westat.com> Are there ISO files for K12LTSP 4.1? I've got a machine and would love to do a little testing but couldn't find them. The ideal situation would be if I could use rsync to get them as I already have the 4.0.1 files. -- Henry Hartley From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 19 17:19:48 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:19:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO for K12LTSP 4.1 Devel In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0FC@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0FC@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1082395188.16822.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 09:10, Henry Hartley wrote: > Are there ISO files for K12LTSP 4.1? I've got a machine and would love to > do a little testing but couldn't find them. https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-April/msg00360.html > The ideal situation would be if > I could use rsync to get them as I already have the 4.0.1 files. Rsync from 4.0.x to 4.1.x won't save bandwidth, all of the bits have changed. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Apr 19 17:35:57 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:35:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla via Macintosh Thick Client In-Reply-To: <4083D662.7010507@lqt.ca> References: <200404161121.06552.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <4083D662.7010507@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <200404191335.58232.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Monday 19 April 2004 09:38 am, Paul Pianta wrote: > maybe try running mozilla from a shell and then you might see some error > messages when it quits on ya? Yeah, tried that -- nada. I still have to find some RAM for those beasties. (Haven't had time) Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Mon Apr 19 17:50:14 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:50:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL In-Reply-To: <00f701c423e5$ec6520f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: No I actually have RHAS so I did up2date Jamie On 4/16/04 12:06 PM, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > How do you get this kernel? Via yum install > kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of jamie > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:54 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netatalk WBEL > > > I got 1.6.4 compiled and installed on RHAS 3. > > The kernel doesn't have appletalk support built into it. You need to use > kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-9.0.1.EL from Redahat. And reboot > > That did the trick for me. > > jamie > > On 4/16/04 7:36 AM, "Jim Kronebusch" wrote: > >> Has anyone installed netatalk successfully into WBEL? I downloaded >> the netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz from sourceforge did a tar zxf >> netatalk-1.6.4.tar.gz ./configure >> make >> make install >> >> and am stuck. I have read something about no Appletalk support >> compliled into the kernel, do I have to recompile? Also I cannot find > >> the atalkd.conf anywhere and I don't see a atalkd service installed. >> What am I missing? I installed the Webmin Module for Netatalk and >> that as well says the Netatalk is not installed. >> >> Thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > - Jamie > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > - Jamie From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Apr 19 18:03:50 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:03:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO for K12LTSP 4.1 Devel Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B100@remail2.westat.com> >> On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 09:10, Henry Hartley wrote: >> > Are there ISO files for K12LTSP 4.1? I've got a machine and would >> > love to do a little testing but couldn't find them. >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-April/msg00360.html I searched on 4.1 rather than "Fedora Core 2 test 2" so I missed that one. Thanks. >> > The ideal situation would be if >> > I could use rsync to get them as I already have the 4.0.1 files. >> >> Rsync from 4.0.x to 4.1.x won't save bandwidth, all of the bits >> have changed. Yeah, I wondered about that. I've started the download. -- Henry From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Mon Apr 19 18:54:38 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:54:38 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <9DDA76BA-9217-11D8-8019-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Burke Almquist wrote: > Isn't Zen available for linux now?? http://www.novell.com/products/zenworks/desktops/ Not sure if this is it. --Peter From nelsda at yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 19:28:16 2004 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <4083E45A.5070501@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <20040419192816.64436.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> --- Barry Solof wrote: > >BTW is there ANYTHING novell provides that I can't > do with linux? I > >can't think of anything.... > > Soapbox alert!!! > > :) > > The big reason we still run Netware servers in our > shop is Zen for desktops. It allows us to send, [snip] > > Ok, thats my rant. Anyone have a way to do this > with a linux backend instead of Netware? Replace the Windows desktops with LTSP terminals?!! Sorry, I couldn't resist. David ===== David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Apr 19 20:24:37 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:24:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Calendar editing program? Message-ID: <000a01c4264c$5662c4e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Have any of you seen the likes? Just had a student request a calendar making program? (I guess publisher has this ability) Checked Scribus, but no luck there.. --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, BC Huck wrote: > Have any of you seen the likes? > Just had a student request a calendar making program? > (I guess publisher has this ability) > > Checked Scribus, but no luck there.. > > --Huck > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Apr 19 20:43:49 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:43:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Calendar editing program? In-Reply-To: <40843795.8060609@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <001401c4264f$04f73c00$1803010a@paasda.org> Yeah, those weren't really 'enhanceable' with graphics and pretty clip-arts and stuff student into the 'artistics' eye candy stuff...=) Me? I just need some squares with numbers in them =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chase Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:33 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Calendar editing program? Well, if he wants to print out a monthly calendaring program, he can use Evolution, Korganizer, Mozilla calendar plugin, or other PIM type organizers. They all have various print formats to play with and you should be able to find one that can print out a month per page block type calendar that you can post on a bulletin board or other posting area. Cheers, BC Huck wrote: > Have any of you seen the likes? > Just had a student request a calendar making program? > (I guess publisher has this ability) > > Checked Scribus, but no luck there.. > > --Huck > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From barry at yellowdog.com Mon Apr 19 21:00:58 2004 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:00:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) Message-ID: <40843E0A.6090205@yellowdog.com> >>Replace the Windows desktops with LTSP terminals?!! :-P I *knew* somebody was going to suggest that! If only there were a way to magically replace all the doze apps in my network overnight. You bet I'd switch us over to ltsp. Barry From nbs at sonic.net Mon Apr 19 21:04:24 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:04:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <40843E0A.6090205@yellowdog.com> References: <40843E0A.6090205@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <20040419210424.GB1299@sonic.net> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 05:00:58PM -0400, Barry Solof wrote: > I *knew* somebody was going to suggest that! > > If only there were a way to magically replace all the doze apps in my > network overnight. You bet I'd switch us over to ltsp. This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, say, from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that transition took place? -bill! From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Mon Apr 19 21:16:06 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:16:06 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <20040419210424.GB1299@sonic.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 05:00:58PM -0400, Barry Solof wrote: > > I *knew* somebody was going to suggest that! > > > > If only there were a way to magically replace all the doze apps in my > > network overnight. You bet I'd switch us over to ltsp. > > This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, say, > from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that transition > took place? > > -bill! Technology systems were not as entrenched or mission critical back then, so it was a less difficult transition. --Peter From andyr at wizzy.com Mon Apr 19 21:23:37 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:23:37 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] xdm's Chooser feature In-Reply-To: <1082345767.32729.5.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> References: <20040418151508.7fb22440.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> <1082345767.32729.5.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <20040419212337.GA19633@wizzy.com> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Andrew Fournier wrote: > I have only played with this a little, but won't (rather > than ) get you a choice of servers? This is the patch I apply to get some degree of redundancy in my client startups. Problem ? reboot the client. It allows you to list preferred XDM_SERVER s and XFS_SERVER s in the lts.conf file. Cheers, Andy! --- /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local 2002-07-21 04:09:33.000000000 +0200 +++ /tmp/rc.local 2003-06-10 16:30:57.000000000 +0200 @@ -388,6 +388,15 @@ XDM_SERVER=`get_cfg XDM_SERVER ${DEFAULT_SERVER}` + for i in $XDM_SERVER + do + if ping -c 1 $i + then + XDM_SERVER=$i + break + fi + done + case "${XSERVER}" in XF86_*) XBINARY="${XSERVER}" @@ -423,9 +432,9 @@ fi if [ -w /proc/progress ]; then - echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${XOPTS} ${ACC_CTRL} -query ${XDM_SERVER} >/dev/tty3 2>&1" >/tmp/start_ws + echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${XOPTS} ${ACC_CTRL} -indirect ${XDM_SERVER} >/dev/tty3 2>&1" >/tmp/start_ws else - echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${XOPTS} ${ACC_CTRL} -query ${XDM_SERVER}" >/tmp/start_ws + echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${XOPTS} ${ACC_CTRL} -indirect ${XDM_SERVER}" >/tmp/start_ws fi chmod 0755 /tmp/start_ws --- /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.setupx 2001-12-01 02:45:11.000000000 +0200 +++ /tmp/rc.setupx 2003-06-10 16:28:38.000000000 +0200 @@ -81,9 +81,16 @@ if [ "${USE_XFS}" = "Y" ]; then XFS_SERVER=`get_cfg XFS_SERVER ${DEFAULT_SERVER}` - cat <<-EOF >>${XF86CONFIG} +cat <<-EOF >>${XF86CONFIG} Section "Files" - FontPath "tcp/${XFS_SERVER}:7100" +EOF +echo -n FontPath \" >>${XF86CONFIG} +for f in $XFS_SERVER +do + echo -n tcp/${f}:7100, >>${XF86CONFIG} +done +echo \" >>${XF86CONFIG} +cat <<-EOF >>${XF86CONFIG} EndSection EOF else From andyr at wizzy.com Mon Apr 19 21:34:29 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:34:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO for K12LTSP 4.1 Devel In-Reply-To: <1082395188.16822.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B0FC@remail2.westat.com> <1082395188.16822.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040419213429.GB19633@wizzy.com> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 09:10, Henry Hartley wrote: > > Are there ISO files for K12LTSP 4.1? I've got a machine and would love to > > do a little testing but couldn't find them. > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-April/msg00360.html > > > The ideal situation would be if > > I could use rsync to get them as I already have the 4.0.1 files. > > Rsync from 4.0.x to 4.1.x won't save bandwidth, all of the bits have > changed. On a related note - is FC-2 moving further away from Redhat Enterprise .. uuh .. WBEL .. that the FC-1 release? I like the current sychronicity of RHEL, RH9, FC1, WBEL, and LTSP. Can we at least freeze on -devel libraries ? Cheers, Andy! -- http://wizzy.org.za/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <51279.195.84.143.98.1082364954.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> References: <51279.195.84.143.98.1082364954.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1082422112.10568.0.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> I haven't tried either method, but you might want to look at Xass and Kimberlite A. Fournier On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 00:55, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > Hi! > > I have just ordered two more servers and i want to try out real load > balancing on ltsp. In my calculations it is much cheaper to byu two fairly > standard one cpu 3Ghz scsi servers than to buy a dual CPU server. > > Have anyone tried load balancing and was it successful, what did you do > and what didnt work? Im planning on writing up a howto about it if i > succeed so any pointers is much appriciated. Im not after mosix among the > clients but real load balancing between servers and hopefully redundancy > and fail-over. > > > Cheers! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From adfour at mtaonline.net Tue Apr 20 00:51:56 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:51:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <4083E45A.5070501@yellowdog.com> References: <4083E45A.5070501@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <1082422315.10568.2.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Hmmmm. This supposes windows computers. No windows, no need for novell? A. fournier On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 06:38, Barry Solof wrote: > >BTW is there ANYTHING novell provides that I can't do with linux? I > >can't think of anything.... > > Soapbox alert!!! > > :) > > The big reason we still run Netware servers in our shop is Zen for desktops. It allows us to send, resend and update applications on Windows desktops better than anything else we've tried. > > Example? When we roll out the new Thunderbird mail client in a few months all 400 desktops (in 12 buildings) will get the mail client delivered (and configured) automatically. It will have each user's information, e-mail address, etc. and the user will have to do absolutely *no* configuration for themselves. > > We figure that'll save our department between 100 and 200 hours of repetitive, boring install silliness. Not to mention cutting down the help desk calls! > > Thats why we still have Netware and app launcher in the shop. > > Ok, thats my rant. Anyone have a way to do this with a linux backend instead of Netware? > > Thanks, > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Apr 19 19:53:31 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:53:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting Single-User Mode In-Reply-To: <20040420000505.80181.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040420000505.80181.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04041915544300.14103@newguy> could do linux single from lilo.....or in grub there is option to add single to boot..or use knoppix,mandrake or suse live cd to boot from and mount your hd..chuck From adfour at mtaonline.net Tue Apr 20 00:56:33 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:56:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082422593.10568.4.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Mission critical? What win software is mission critical in a school? A. Fournier On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 13:16, Nakashima wrote: > On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 05:00:58PM -0400, Barry Solof wrote: > > > I *knew* somebody was going to suggest that! > > > > > > If only there were a way to magically replace all the doze apps in my > > > network overnight. You bet I'd switch us over to ltsp. > > > > This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, say, > > from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that transition > > took place? > > > > -bill! > > Technology systems were not as entrenched or mission critical back then, > so it was a less difficult transition. > --Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From adfour at mtaonline.net Tue Apr 20 00:57:44 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:57:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] xdm's Chooser feature In-Reply-To: <20040419212337.GA19633@wizzy.com> References: <20040418151508.7fb22440.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> <1082345767.32729.5.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> <20040419212337.GA19633@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1082422664.10568.6.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> I'll give it a try :) A. Fournier On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 13:23, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Andrew Fournier wrote: > > > I have only played with this a little, but won't (rather > > than ) get you a choice of servers? > > This is the patch I apply to get some degree of redundancy in > my client startups. Problem ? reboot the client. > > It allows you to list preferred XDM_SERVER s and XFS_SERVER s > in the lts.conf file. > > Cheers, Andy! > > --- /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local 2002-07-21 04:09:33.000000000 +0200 > +++ /tmp/rc.local 2003-06-10 16:30:57.000000000 +0200 > @@ -388,6 +388,15 @@ > > XDM_SERVER=`get_cfg XDM_SERVER ${DEFAULT_SERVER}` > > + for i in $XDM_SERVER > + do > + if ping -c 1 $i > + then > + XDM_SERVER=$i > + break > + fi > + done > + > case "${XSERVER}" in > > XF86_*) XBINARY="${XSERVER}" > @@ -423,9 +432,9 @@ > fi > > if [ -w /proc/progress ]; then > - echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${XOPTS} ${ACC_CTRL} -query ${XDM_SERVER} >/dev/tty3 2>&1" >/tmp/start_ws > + echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${XOPTS} ${ACC_CTRL} -indirect ${XDM_SERVER} >/dev/tty3 2>&1" >/tmp/start_ws > else > - echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${XOPTS} ${ACC_CTRL} -query ${XDM_SERVER}" >/tmp/start_ws > + echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${XOPTS} ${ACC_CTRL} -indirect ${XDM_SERVER}" >/tmp/start_ws > fi > > chmod 0755 /tmp/start_ws > --- /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.setupx 2001-12-01 02:45:11.000000000 +0200 > +++ /tmp/rc.setupx 2003-06-10 16:28:38.000000000 +0200 > @@ -81,9 +81,16 @@ > > if [ "${USE_XFS}" = "Y" ]; then > XFS_SERVER=`get_cfg XFS_SERVER ${DEFAULT_SERVER}` > - cat <<-EOF >>${XF86CONFIG} > +cat <<-EOF >>${XF86CONFIG} > Section "Files" > - FontPath "tcp/${XFS_SERVER}:7100" > +EOF > +echo -n FontPath \" >>${XF86CONFIG} > +for f in $XFS_SERVER > +do > + echo -n tcp/${f}:7100, >>${XF86CONFIG} > +done > +echo \" >>${XF86CONFIG} > +cat <<-EOF >>${XF86CONFIG} > EndSection > EOF > else > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timlegge at etherboot.org Tue Apr 20 01:20:32 2004 From: timlegge at etherboot.org (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:20:32 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting Single-User Mode In-Reply-To: <20040420000505.80181.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040420000505.80181.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1082424032.25781.6.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 21:05, Jennifer Waters wrote: > I have somehow blown my root passwd, I am using LTSP > 3.0.1 on this system and I have scsi drives. How do I > go into linux emergency? With grub follow the instructions for editing the boot up. It is either init 1 or simply 1 I believe as a parameter. Some distros are silly (they want a password for booting to single user mode) if so, you need to tell the kernel to simplly run bash as the initrd I believe. Hopefully my directions jog your memory and that your head is clearer than my directions ;-) Tim From patmo98 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 02:07:44 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:07:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting Single-User Mode In-Reply-To: <20040420000505.80181.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040420000505.80181.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <408485F0.1020103@yahoo.com> Jennifer Waters wrote: >I have somehow blown my root passwd, I am using LTSP > >3.0.1 on this system and I have scsi drives. How do I > >go into linux emergency? > > > >I feel so stupid that I have done this agiain, not > >sure exactly what I did. > > > >Jennifer > > First press the button to append arguments (I think this is "a"). Then add " init 1" to the line. Notis the two spaces. From vcarecrc at vsnl.com Tue Apr 20 06:28:05 2004 From: vcarecrc at vsnl.com (vcare) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:58:05 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Steps for Multiple X-servers Message-ID: <4084C2F5.20707@vsnl.com> This is a collective document made by Me , for use of Multiple X server on the Network Please follow the followinf steps. The Steps to do for Multiple X -Server Connectivity from One Workstation. 1) Using rc.local file create start_ws1 scripts file which is identicle to start_ws but with following change echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA :1 vt4 -indirect {XDM_SERVER} This will show list of Multiple X-server in the Network. 2) Add following line to inittab file of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc 3:5:respawn:/tmp/start_ws1 3) change section of rc.local for start_ws scripts also. echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA -indirect {XDM_SERVER} 4) Update GDM with gdm-2.2.4.2-1.i386 change the following line in gdm.conf under /etc/X11/gdm Displaysperhost=2 under XDMCP section. This will give user option of Multiple X-server as well as with ctr+alt+F4 he will be able to connect to another X server. If you need further assistance please free to mail me. Regards K.Dinesh From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 20 13:16:32 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:16:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web LDAP manager Message-ID: <1082466992.10505.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> There is an announcement on freshmeat.net about a php based LDAP editor. Is this the missing piece to set up central authentication or is something better around? http://freshmeat.net/projects/gosa/?branch_id=31362&release_id=158248 --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 20 13:27:19 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:27:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] changelog? Message-ID: <40852537.4070102@maltzen.net> Eric (or anyone else for that matter)- Is there a webpage showing the changes from one release to the next of K12lstp? I've got ver. 3.0.1 disks, 3.1.1 disks, 3.1.2 disks, etc. and I've lost track of what's different between the versions. Also, where on a running system can I find version is being used? Thanks. Petre From barry at yellowdog.com Tue Apr 20 14:10:13 2004 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:10:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) Message-ID: <40852F45.9020700@yellowdog.com> >>This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, say, >>from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that transition >>took place? We're not running a school network, this network is a local county government. There are over 50 departments and it seems almost all of them have some specialized application that runs on doze. We figure only about 20% of all of our computers run without a critial windoze app. The social issue is almost worse than the technical one, too. There are departments that will scream and yell if we try to change *anything* they do. It doesn't matter if we can save tons of money or not, these folks are going to fight any change tooth and nail. Luckily, the managers and administrators are a lot more open to saving money and tend to force the issue. But you really have to wait for the right political moment to force change like this because a lot of people resent it. Frankly, I believe it would be a lot easier to transition away from doze if this was a school. It would be *fantastic* if we could jump into K12LTSP soon. It would save so much time and money... Barry From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 14:56:54 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (Tanieth Bowers) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help Message-ID: <20040420145654.88715.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> I have succesfully installed k12ltsp and created an nfs mount of the home directory, my objective being that any user can log in from any machine in the building - be it a terminal or a win box. Documentation instructed to simply copy passwd, group and shadow files to /etc on ltsp box from original (main) server. The problem is that when i try to log in as one of the copied users on the ltsp box i am getting "the system administrator has disabled you account" can someone please help me figure out what i'v missed. Thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Apr 20 17:11:29 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:11:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <1082422593.10568.4.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <002601c426fa$85e567a0$1803010a@paasda.org> grade/scheduling/student information systems... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Fournier Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:57 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) Mission critical? What win software is mission critical in a school? A. Fournier On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 13:16, Nakashima wrote: > On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 05:00:58PM -0400, Barry Solof wrote: > > > I *knew* somebody was going to suggest that! > > > > > > If only there were a way to magically replace all the doze apps in > > > my network overnight. You bet I'd switch us over to ltsp. > > > > This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, > > say, from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that > > transition took place? > > > > -bill! > > Technology systems were not as entrenched or mission critical back > then, so it was a less difficult transition. --Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Apr 20 17:14:34 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:14:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <40852F45.9020700@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <002701c426fa$f3bc4d20$1803010a@paasda.org> fake a server death... but have a ready made/tested k12ltsp box at the ready for an 'INTERM' solution =) then...after about a month or so...they'll forget they had windows... --Huck (unfortunately my server death was REAL .. but outcome the same =) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Barry Solof Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:10 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) >>This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, say, >>from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that >>transition took place? We're not running a school network, this network is a local county government. There are over 50 departments and it seems almost all of them have some specialized application that runs on doze. We figure only about 20% of all of our computers run without a critial windoze app. The social issue is almost worse than the technical one, too. There are departments that will scream and yell if we try to change *anything* they do. It doesn't matter if we can save tons of money or not, these folks are going to fight any change tooth and nail. Luckily, the managers and administrators are a lot more open to saving money and tend to force the issue. But you really have to wait for the right political moment to force change like this because a lot of people resent it. Frankly, I believe it would be a lot easier to transition away from doze if this was a school. It would be *fantastic* if we could jump into K12LTSP soon. It would save so much time and money... Barry _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 20 17:16:54 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:16:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] changelog? In-Reply-To: <40852537.4070102@maltzen.net> References: <40852537.4070102@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1082481414.16822.19.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 06:27, Petre Scheie wrote: > Eric (or anyone else for that matter)- > Is there a webpage showing the changes from one release to the next of K12lstp? > I've got ver. 3.0.1 disks, 3.1.1 disks, 3.1.2 disks, etc. and I've lost track > of what's different between the versions. Also, where on a running system can I > find version is being used? Thanks. > > Petre > The release history is available here: http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Releases Not all of these have a full changelog attached. I'll have to fix that... As for the current version, either: cat /etc/k12ltsp-release or rpm -q k12ltsp-release -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Apr 20 17:56:16 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:56:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <20040420145654.88715.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just copying those files is a risky thing. . . I have not mad it work that way, either. Even though I remembered to copy only users 500 and above, it still didn't work. I still had to manually go in and change all the passwords (a pain) Good luck. . . DS On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Tanieth Bowers wrote: > I have succesfully installed k12ltsp and created an > nfs mount of the home directory, my objective being > that any user can log in from any machine in the > building - be it a terminal or a win box. > Documentation instructed to simply copy passwd, group > and shadow files to /etc on ltsp box from original > (main) server. The problem is that when i try to log > in as one of the copied users on the ltsp box i am > getting > > "the system administrator has disabled you account" > > can someone please help me figure out what i'v missed. > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 20 22:40:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:40:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem Message-ID: <000001c42728$6e2bb5f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I have loaded up a new file server with WBEL and have installed Webmin. I to the to Samba Webmin module and for some reason am not able to link samba and unix users or convert unix to samba users. I get an error saying: Failed to convert user : could not create account to add new user -s I have left the conversion at the defaults to convert anything over 499 and it shows the users that are skipped but errors on the first new user. All other Samba functions seem to work properly, I can set up shares, or add users directly to Samba. I don't know if I have a problem with Samba or Webmin. Is there a way to syncronize the users manually without using Webmin? I have also set Samba to syncronize users and groups, when I add users via the system module I get the same error in relation to updating Samba users. Any suggestions on where to start? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk Tue Apr 20 20:34:52 2004 From: k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk (Henning Petersen Wangerin) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:34:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Additional screen for terminals - ssh In-Reply-To: <1074629513.7762.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1074619056.7762.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1074629513.7762.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:11:54 -0500, you wrote: > This is from the 4.0 ltsp documentation: ahhh where do I find that? I could only find 3.0 docs on ltsp.org !?! isn't that a little old now? > Seeing how it was commented as a future add-on for SSH, I thought I > would share my quick implementation of this with everyone. Works great when using SSH_HOST =x.x.x.x SCREEN_xx = ssh SCREEN_yy = ssh but when connecting to multible servers SSH_HOST =x.x.x.x SCREEN_xx = ssh x.x.x.x SCREEN_yy = ssh y.y.y.y I can only login as root, no matter what I enter as usename! > I am using this for kiosks for our registration terminals to sign up for > classes each semester. > > The machine boots and then initiates a ssh connection to the SIS system, > where a staff member from our admissions department goes through the > process of registering a student for a class. Cool. Sounds like a nice and simple way to flip a terminal int a different use. > Here is an example config that I am using for an alias definition. > [reg-term] > SCREEN_01 = ssh > SSH_HOST = host.name > LOCAL_APPS = N > USE_NFS_SWAP = N > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m > > > I then just have individual entries further down the conf file for each > stations. > > Example: > [ws059] > LIKE = reg-term > > This just runs a machine with screen 1 being a ssh session back to our > SIS system. No X on this machine, because it doesn't need it. is it possible to use a combination of both? Like this: [kids] SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = phone # I'm thinging of making all terminal act as VoIP-phones [a] LIKE = kids x_MODE_0 = 800x600 60Hz [b] LIKE = kids x_MODE_0 = 800x600 75Hz [c] LIKE = kids x_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75Hz -- Venlig hilsen / Best regards Henning Wangerin Skoletoften 9, Blans DK - 6400 Soenderborg Tlf. 36948694 via www.musimi.dk - VoIP til det danske folk From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 20 20:48:34 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:48:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <000001c42728$6e2bb5f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c42728$6e2bb5f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1082494113.3866.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 17:40, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have loaded up a new file server with WBEL and have installed > Webmin. I to the to Samba Webmin module and for some reason am not > able to link samba and unix users or convert unix to samba users. I > get an error saying: > Failed to convert user : > could not create account to add new user -s It's probably running smbpasswd under the covers. What happens when you run it by hand to change or add a user? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From austinsr at uindy.edu Tue Apr 20 16:29:32 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:29:32 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Additional screen for terminals - ssh In-Reply-To: References: <1074619056.7762.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1074629513.7762.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1082478572.29771.52.camel@gentoo.is.uindy.edu> The ltsp 4.0 documentation is here: http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.html On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 20:34, Henning Petersen Wangerin wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:11:54 -0500, you wrote: > > > This is from the 4.0 ltsp documentation: > > > ahhh where do I find that? I could only find 3.0 docs on ltsp.org !?! > isn't that a little old now? > > > Seeing how it was commented as a future add-on for SSH, I thought I > > would share my quick implementation of this with everyone. > > Works great when using > SSH_HOST =x.x.x.x > SCREEN_xx = ssh > SCREEN_yy = ssh > > but when connecting to multible servers > > SSH_HOST =x.x.x.x > SCREEN_xx = ssh x.x.x.x > SCREEN_yy = ssh y.y.y.y > > I can only login as root, no matter what I enter as usename! > The easiest way I can think of to have multiple servers in the console like that would be to make a copy of the ssh script in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d/ and call it ssh2 or something. Then edit the new ssh2 script and change all the references of SSH_HOST to something like SSH2_HOST and then have another entry in the lts.conf file for the value SSH2_HOST=y.y.y.y Its not a very elagant solution, but it will work if your in a pinch. > > I am using this for kiosks for our registration terminals to sign up for > > classes each semester. > > > > The machine boots and then initiates a ssh connection to the SIS system, > > where a staff member from our admissions department goes through the > > process of registering a student for a class. > > Cool. > Sounds like a nice and simple way to flip a terminal int a different > use. > > > Here is an example config that I am using for an alias definition. > > [reg-term] > > SCREEN_01 = ssh > > SSH_HOST = host.name > > LOCAL_APPS = N > > USE_NFS_SWAP = N > > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m > > > > > > I then just have individual entries further down the conf file for each > > stations. > > > > Example: > > [ws059] > > LIKE = reg-term > > > > This just runs a machine with screen 1 being a ssh session back to our > > SIS system. No X on this machine, because it doesn't need it. > > is it possible to use a combination of both? > It definately works to have a like section and then additional options under it. Its a great way to test a setup. Any value that is in the LIKE section that is re-defined in the machine setting will override the values in the LIKE definition. > Like this: > [kids] > SCREEN_01 = startx > SCREEN_02 = phone > # I'm thinging of making all terminal act as VoIP-phones > [a] > LIKE = kids > x_MODE_0 = 800x600 60Hz > [b] > LIKE = kids > x_MODE_0 = 800x600 75Hz > [c] > LIKE = kids > x_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75Hz From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 20 23:13:34 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:13:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <1082494113.3866.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <001601c4272d$1d60ef00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I can add/change a user via the Samba Webmin module, but I cannot convert unix users to samba or get them to syncronize. Is this what you meant? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:49 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 17:40, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have loaded up a new file server with WBEL and have installed > Webmin. I to the to Samba Webmin module and for some reason am not > able to link samba and unix users or convert unix to samba users. I > get an error saying: Failed to convert user : > could not create account to add new user -s It's probably running smbpasswd under the covers. What happens when you run it by hand to change or add a user? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 20 21:41:33 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:41:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <001601c4272d$1d60ef00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001601c4272d$1d60ef00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1082497292.3866.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 18:13, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I can add/change a user via the Samba Webmin module, but I cannot > convert unix users to samba or get them to syncronize. Is this what you > meant? Yes, if you log in as root and do 'smbpasswd -a user' where the user is already in the unix password file, do you get an error message? Webmin is probably running that for you. It shouldn't be possible to convert the unix password to a samba password unless you still have the plain text, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 21 00:18:33 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:18:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] WINE... Message-ID: <000201c42736$2eff0a40$1803010a@paasda.org> I've installed wine... and some little things work like 'notepad' and 'winemine'.... but I couldn't find on the winehq website how to "install" other windows applications Anyone tackle this before? --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Apr 20 00:32:49 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:32:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] xdm's Chooser feature In-Reply-To: <1082345767.32729.5.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> References: <20040418151508.7fb22440.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> <1082345767.32729.5.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <20040419203249.3bb6689e.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Thanks, X -indirect works, but it also requires an IP address, so it only shows that one server. I want it to list the 2 or 3 X servers that are available. Hey, at least a got to SEE the Chooser window ;-) I want to have the chooser come up with a list of available X servers, which should always be the localhost, and then either my school server or my home server. As for the reply about the 'Xnest', really cool, I had tired it before, unfortunatly the laptop I run it one is 800x600, so the window is only 640x480 -- really hard to browse files/internet/etc. If the laptop ran 1024x768, probably be a really good choice. Thanks -Anyone else got some ideas?? On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:36:07 -0800 Andrew Fournier wrote: > I have only played with this a little, but won't (rather > than ) get you a choice of servers? I seem to remember > something along those lines. If it does, then maybe just make an > executable script out of it and name it with some short command. > A. Fournier > Palmer Ak > > On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 11:15, Gentgeen wrote: > > I was wondering if any of you have fiddled with xdm and the chooser feature. I have a laptop that runs as a stand alone sometime, and other times as an X terminal with my desktop as my server, and other times as an X terminal with my K12LTSP server at school. I have found that xdm has the ability to allow you to "choose" which one you log into, but I could not figure it out. I have already gone through the mini-how-to, but could not get it to work. I was hoping that someone out there could give me a little insight. > > > > As of now, xdm starts on boot-up, but only accessing the local X server, I then have to go to a vertual terminal, log-in then issue 'X :1 -query xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' I would like for xdm to show the three choices when I start. At least, that is how I understand the documentation for the chooser feature of xdm. Am I understanding this right? > > > > Could anyone send my a copy of the config files? I have tried, but I seem to be doing something wrong and I can not figure it out. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From adfour at mtaonline.net Wed Apr 21 01:03:35 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:03:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <40852F45.9020700@yellowdog.com> References: <40852F45.9020700@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <1082509415.14010.0.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Ahhhh... I wondered what besides politics would be an issue at a school.... A. Fournier On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 06:10, Barry Solof wrote: > >>This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, say, > >>from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that transition > >>took place? > > We're not running a school network, this network is a local county government. There are over 50 departments and it seems almost all of them have some specialized application that runs on doze. We figure only about 20% of all of our computers run without a critial windoze app. > > The social issue is almost worse than the technical one, too. There are departments that will scream and yell if we try to change *anything* they do. It doesn't matter if we can save tons of money or not, these folks are going to fight any change tooth and nail. > > Luckily, the managers and administrators are a lot more open to saving money and tend to force the issue. But you really have to wait for the right political moment to force change like this because a lot of people resent it. > > Frankly, I believe it would be a lot easier to transition away from doze if this was a school. > > It would be *fantastic* if we could jump into K12LTSP soon. It would save so much time and money... > > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From adfour at mtaonline.net Wed Apr 21 01:05:49 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:05:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <002601c426fa$85e567a0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <002601c426fa$85e567a0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1082509549.14010.3.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Can all be web based, or central on a 'Nix box no? my district is using maximus (icue?) which runs on unix and is web based... ( as far as I can tell On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 09:11, Huck wrote: > grade/scheduling/student information systems... > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Andrew Fournier > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:57 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) > > > Mission critical? What win software is mission critical in a school? A. > Fournier On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 13:16, Nakashima wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 05:00:58PM -0400, Barry Solof wrote: > > > > I *knew* somebody was going to suggest that! > > > > > > > > If only there were a way to magically replace all the doze apps in > > > > > my network overnight. You bet I'd switch us over to ltsp. > > > > > > This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, > > > say, from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that > > > transition took place? > > > > > > -bill! > > > > Technology systems were not as entrenched or mission critical back > > then, so it was a less difficult transition. --Peter > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From adfour at mtaonline.net Wed Apr 21 01:12:31 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:12:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] WINE... In-Reply-To: <000201c42736$2eff0a40$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000201c42736$2eff0a40$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1082509951.14010.6.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> with a new wine this should be really easy... just type wine -"whatever the setup file is called".exe it pretty much just works in my experience On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 16:18, Huck wrote: > I've installed wine... > and some little things work like 'notepad' and 'winemine'.... > but I couldn't find on the winehq website how to "install" other > windows applications > > Anyone tackle this before? > > --Huck > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From adfour at mtaonline.net Wed Apr 21 01:14:18 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:14:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] xdm's Chooser feature In-Reply-To: <20040419203249.3bb6689e.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <20040418151508.7fb22440.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> <1082345767.32729.5.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> <20040419203249.3bb6689e.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <1082510058.14010.9.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> hmmmm I went and tried it... I saw all available servers as icons in a box- despite only telling it to look for a single server. I'll look some more A. fournier .On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 16:32, Gentgeen wrote: > Thanks, X -indirect works, but it also requires an IP address, so it only shows that one server. I want it to list the 2 or 3 X servers that are available. Hey, at least a got to SEE the Chooser window ;-) I want to have the chooser come up with a list of available X servers, which should always be the localhost, and then either my school server or my home server. As for the reply about the 'Xnest', really cool, I had tired it before, unfortunatly the laptop I run it one is 800x600, so the window is only 640x480 -- really hard to browse files/internet/etc. If the laptop ran 1024x768, probably be a really good choice. Thanks > > -Anyone else got some ideas?? > > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:36:07 -0800 > Andrew Fournier wrote: > > > I have only played with this a little, but won't (rather > > than ) get you a choice of servers? I seem to remember > > something along those lines. If it does, then maybe just make an > > executable script out of it and name it with some short command. > > A. Fournier > > Palmer Ak > > > > On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 11:15, Gentgeen wrote: > > > I was wondering if any of you have fiddled with xdm and the chooser feature. I have a laptop that runs as a stand alone sometime, and other times as an X terminal with my desktop as my server, and other times as an X terminal with my K12LTSP server at school. I have found that xdm has the ability to allow you to "choose" which one you log into, but I could not figure it out. I have already gone through the mini-how-to, but could not get it to work. I was hoping that someone out there could give me a little insight. > > > > > > As of now, xdm starts on boot-up, but only accessing the local X server, I then have to go to a vertual terminal, log-in then issue 'X :1 -query xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' I would like for xdm to show the three choices when I start. At least, that is how I understand the documentation for the chooser feature of xdm. Am I understanding this right? > > > > > > Could anyone send my a copy of the config files? I have tried, but I seem to be doing something wrong and I can not figure it out. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Wed Apr 21 01:34:15 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:34:15 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <1082509549.14010.3.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Andrew Fournier wrote: > Can all be web based, or central on a 'Nix box no? my district is using > maximus (icue?) which runs on unix and is web based... ( as far as I can > tell > On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 09:11, Huck wrote: > > grade/scheduling/student information systems... It's great that your district is on board. However, when you are a small minority in a very large school system (in our case 300+ schools, 3 using K12LTSP) your needs and wants are not at the top of the agenda. --Peter From adfour at mtaonline.net Wed Apr 21 02:27:05 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:27:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082514420.14196.3.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> LMAO! pure luck. I'm in the same boat as you in most respects-- my next agenda (beyond making more small labs) is demonstrating that compressed secure-shell is a better (more secure and efficient) way to talk to a unix server than is using a web based gui and internet explorer. MIS ( i teach in a school within a school program ) does recognize the benefits of k12ltsp in classroom libraries and labs already though. On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 17:34, Nakashima wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Andrew Fournier wrote: > > > Can all be web based, or central on a 'Nix box no? my district is using > > maximus (icue?) which runs on unix and is web based... ( as far as I can > > tell > > On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 09:11, Huck wrote: > > > grade/scheduling/student information systems... > > It's great that your district is on board. However, when you are a small > minority in a very large school system (in our case 300+ schools, 3 using > K12LTSP) your needs and wants are not at the top of the agenda. > --Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ddaniels at magic.fr Wed Apr 21 03:53:38 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:53:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4085F042.7090903@magic.fr> did you try webmin? dgd Doug Simpson wrote: > Just copying those files is a risky thing. . . > > I have not mad it work that way, either. Even though I remembered to copy > only users 500 and above, it still didn't work. I still had to manually go > in and change all the passwords (a pain) > > Good luck. . . > > DS > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Tanieth Bowers wrote: > > >>I have succesfully installed k12ltsp and created an >>nfs mount of the home directory, my objective being >>that any user can log in from any machine in the >>building - be it a terminal or a win box. >>Documentation instructed to simply copy passwd, group >>and shadow files to /etc on ltsp box from original >>(main) server. The problem is that when i try to log >>in as one of the copied users on the ltsp box i am >>getting >> >>"the system administrator has disabled you account" >> >>can someone please help me figure out what i'v missed. >> >>Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? >>http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 21 06:08:11 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:08:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop with 16 bpp color on ltsp In-Reply-To: <004601c42608$38faf060$fcc8a8c0@winxp> References: <004601c42608$38faf060$fcc8a8c0@winxp> Message-ID: <04042102090300.15486@newguy> might get away with replacing the executable rdesktp within the the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory...otherwise would need to be compiled within the lbe..chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 21 06:11:50 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:11:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <20040420145654.88715.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040420145654.88715.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04042102123201.15486@newguy> you also moved gshadow?? From ckjohnson at gwi.net Wed Apr 21 11:34:04 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:34:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need Help In-Reply-To: <04042102123201.15486@newguy> References: <20040420145654.88715.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> <04042102123201.15486@newguy> Message-ID: <40865C2C.5090108@gwi.net> cliebow wrote: >you also moved gshadow?? > > > And did you correctly set the mode on those files? root at chris root# ll /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group /etc/gshadow -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 733 Mar 20 22:17 /etc/group -r-------- 1 root root 609 Mar 20 22:17 /etc/gshadow -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1974 Mar 20 22:17 /etc/passwd -r-------- 1 root root 1205 Mar 20 22:17 /etc/shadow From petre at maltzen.net Wed Apr 21 12:56:13 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:56:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] xdm's Chooser feature In-Reply-To: <20040419203249.3bb6689e.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <20040418151508.7fb22440.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> <1082345767.32729.5.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> <20040419203249.3bb6689e.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <40866F6D.2030602@maltzen.net> Try X -broadcast Petre Gentgeen wrote: > Thanks, X -indirect works, but it also requires an IP address, so it only shows that one server. I want it to list the 2 or 3 X servers that are available. Hey, at least a got to SEE the Chooser window ;-) I want to have the chooser come up with a list of available X servers, which should always be the localhost, and then either my school server or my home server. As for the reply about the 'Xnest', really cool, I had tired it before, unfortunatly the laptop I run it one is 800x600, so the window is only 640x480 -- really hard to browse files/internet/etc. If the laptop ran 1024x768, probably be a really good choice. Thanks > > -Anyone else got some ideas?? > > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:36:07 -0800 > Andrew Fournier wrote: > > >>I have only played with this a little, but won't (rather >>than ) get you a choice of servers? I seem to remember >>something along those lines. If it does, then maybe just make an >>executable script out of it and name it with some short command. >>A. Fournier >>Palmer Ak >> >>On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 11:15, Gentgeen wrote: >> >>>I was wondering if any of you have fiddled with xdm and the chooser feature. I have a laptop that runs as a stand alone sometime, and other times as an X terminal with my desktop as my server, and other times as an X terminal with my K12LTSP server at school. I have found that xdm has the ability to allow you to "choose" which one you log into, but I could not figure it out. I have already gone through the mini-how-to, but could not get it to work. I was hoping that someone out there could give me a little insight. >>> >>>As of now, xdm starts on boot-up, but only accessing the local X server, I then have to go to a vertual terminal, log-in then issue 'X :1 -query xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' I would like for xdm to show the three choices when I start. At least, that is how I understand the documentation for the chooser feature of xdm. Am I understanding this right? >>> >>>Could anyone send my a copy of the config files? I have tried, but I seem to be doing something wrong and I can not figure it out. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 21 12:56:44 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:56:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <1082422593.10568.4.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> References: <1082422593.10568.4.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <40866F8C.10700@cmosnetworks.com> SASIxp, in the case of my district. Also, we have certain Web apps that apparently depend on ActiveX (our development team uses Microsoft dev tools). Thus, they run only on Internet Exploder. This is apparently being done to "force" the Mac lovers, of which there are many in our schools, to move to Windows (our many thousands of Macs typically have Netscape, but not IE, installed). --TP Andrew Fournier wrote: >Mission critical? What win software is mission critical in a school? >A. Fournier >On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 13:16, Nakashima wrote: > > >>On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 05:00:58PM -0400, Barry Solof wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I *knew* somebody was going to suggest that! >>>> >>>>If only there were a way to magically replace all the doze apps in my >>>>network overnight. You bet I'd switch us over to ltsp. >>>> >>>> >>>This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, say, >>>from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that transition >>>took place? >>> >>>-bill! >>> >>> >>Technology systems were not as entrenched or mission critical back then, >>so it was a less difficult transition. >>--Peter >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Apr 21 13:06:09 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:06:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <40866F8C.10700@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1082422593.10568.4.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> <40866F8C.10700@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <408671C1.3080801@maltzen.net> How ironic, since one of the fundamental underpinnings in creating the Web was the idea that the user shouldn't need to have a specific tool for accessing documents. A 'browser', which anyone could implement, was all that was supposed to be necessary. And if you code to W3C standards, it doesn't really matter which browser a user has. I have little love for Macs, too proprietary for my tastes, but it would probably be cheaper to move your handful of developers to Macs than to move hundreds (thousands?) of users to PCs. Petre Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > SASIxp, in the case of my district. > > Also, we have certain Web apps that apparently depend on ActiveX (our > development team uses Microsoft dev tools). Thus, they run only on > Internet Exploder. This is apparently being done to "force" the Mac > lovers, of which there are many in our schools, to move to Windows (our > many thousands of Macs typically have Netscape, but not IE, installed). > > --TP > > Andrew Fournier wrote: > >> Mission critical? What win software is mission critical in a school? >> A. Fournier >> On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 13:16, Nakashima wrote: >> >> >>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 05:00:58PM -0400, Barry Solof wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I *knew* somebody was going to suggest that! >>>>> >>>>> If only there were a way to magically replace all the doze apps in my >>>>> network overnight. You bet I'd switch us over to ltsp. >>>>> >>>> >>>> This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, say, >>>> from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that transition >>>> took place? >>>> >>>> -bill! >>>> >>> >>> Technology systems were not as entrenched or mission critical back then, >>> so it was a less difficult transition. >>> --Peter >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 21 14:20:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:20:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <408671C1.3080801@maltzen.net> References: <1082422593.10568.4.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> <40866F8C.10700@cmosnetworks.com> <408671C1.3080801@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <40868311.9050901@cmosnetworks.com> Oh, I agree, but we're definitely a Windows shop, decreed directly by the top brass. They were almost eager to be the first to buy the Licensing 6.0 contract! The developers have basically been ordered to code specifically to Windows. All video clips that we make are in .WMV format, and on our Web site, it says that you must have Microsoft Windows, and furthermore, it actually explicitly says that Macintosh users will not be able to view the clips! The managers don't want them to code new apps, or recode existing apps, for W3C standards, and the developers themselves feel that it is politically (and job-security-wise) inadvisable to code to W3C standards. That said, if the developers could be moved to another platform, and I had the juice in the organization to enforce such a move (I don't, sadly), I sure wouldn't put them on Macs. Three guesses as to which platform I'd have them on. :-) --TP Petre Scheie wrote: > How ironic, since one of the fundamental underpinnings in creating the > Web was the idea that the user shouldn't need to have a specific tool > for accessing documents. A 'browser', which anyone could implement, > was all that was supposed to be necessary. And if you code to W3C > standards, it doesn't really matter which browser a user has. > > I have little love for Macs, too proprietary for my tastes, but it > would probably be cheaper to move your handful of developers to Macs > than to move hundreds (thousands?) of users to PCs. > > Petre > > Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > >> SASIxp, in the case of my district. >> >> Also, we have certain Web apps that apparently depend on ActiveX (our >> development team uses Microsoft dev tools). Thus, they run only on >> Internet Exploder. This is apparently being done to "force" the Mac >> lovers, of which there are many in our schools, to move to Windows >> (our many thousands of Macs typically have Netscape, but not IE, >> installed). >> >> --TP >> >> Andrew Fournier wrote: >> >>> Mission critical? What win software is mission critical in a school? >>> A. Fournier >>> On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 13:16, Nakashima wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 05:00:58PM -0400, Barry Solof wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I *knew* somebody was going to suggest that! >>>>>> >>>>>> If only there were a way to magically replace all the doze apps >>>>>> in my >>>>>> network overnight. You bet I'd switch us over to ltsp. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, say, >>>>> from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that >>>>> transition >>>>> took place? >>>>> >>>>> -bill! >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Technology systems were not as entrenched or mission critical back >>>> then, >>>> so it was a less difficult transition. >>>> --Peter >>> From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 21 14:59:34 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:59:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <40868311.9050901@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1082422593.10568.4.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> <40866F8C.10700@cmosnetworks.com> <408671C1.3080801@maltzen.net> <40868311.9050901@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1082559573.7276.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 09:20, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Oh, I agree, but we're definitely a Windows shop, decreed directly by > the top brass. They were almost eager to be the first to buy the > Licensing 6.0 contract! The developers have basically been ordered to > code specifically to Windows. All video clips that we make are in .WMV > format, and on our Web site, it says that you must have Microsoft > Windows, and furthermore, it actually explicitly says that Macintosh > users will not be able to view the clips! > It seems like it should be illegal to spend public money to produce something that forces a vendor preference on others. I wonder if Apple offers any legal resources to investigate this sort of thing. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Apr 21 15:10:17 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:10:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New Network - Fiber planned - Need advice Message-ID: Our school looks as if it is going to be rewired and soon. I took a couple of the replies I got from this list to school (Thank you everyone who answered with ideas) and explained them to my technician. He was happy to see that fibre was mentioned to help out in our long-long cat 5 runs past ballasts and chillers/air handlers all along inside the ceilings. Now, what equipment would you recommend or are using in your schools? My room wil be the center of the new network. It is away from the big electrical equipment. We have a need for one 8 port fibre switch that will feed 7 other fiber media adapters so that we can use our existing newer switches at the ends of the long runs. We are looking for equipment brand names, model numbers, and of course the cheapest workable solution. None of us here have even seen a fiber setup. Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 15:27:50 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (Tanieth Bowers) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need Help - ltsp login using passwd files from main In-Reply-To: <20040421130622.0F34373EB1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040421152750.8563.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> I had not moved gshadow - I have now though. I also ensured that the mode is set to how you have them Chris [root at server root]# ll /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow /etc/gshadow -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 939 Apr 21 09:10 /etc/group -r-------- 1 root root 440 Apr 21 09:10 /etc/gshadow -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4812 Apr 21 09:10 /etc/passwd -r-------- 1 root root 6198 Apr 21 09:10 /etc/shadow BUT still no luck. Also tried reseting a few of the passwords - but this did not help either. I had read somewhere that there could be a possible conflict between the passwd and shadow files - if you guys have any more ideas please let me know. Message: 6 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:34:04 -0400 From: "Christopher K. Johnson" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Need Help To: cliebow at downeast.net, "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <40865C2C.5090108 at gwi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed cliebow wrote: >you also moved gshadow?? > > > And did you correctly set the mode on those files? root at chris root# ll /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group /etc/gshadow -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 733 Mar 20 22:17 /etc/group -r-------- 1 root root 609 Mar 20 22:17 /etc/gshadow -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1974 Mar 20 22:17 /etc/passwd -r-------- 1 root root 1205 Mar 20 22:17 /etc/shadow __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From rcurley at stewartmarchman.org Wed Apr 21 15:53:44 2004 From: rcurley at stewartmarchman.org (Richard Curley) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:53:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New Network - Fiber planned - Need advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006b01c427b8$d420c680$0400000a@stewartmarchman.org> While not the cheapest solution out there, Cisco's WS3508G-XL is a great unit. It provides 8 Gb fiber ports. And then don't forget the GBIC modules, if you're running SC connectors on multimode fiber, you will need Cisco "1000BaseSX Short WaveLength GBIC Multimode only" part # WS-G5484= . Pricing on the Switch is about $3,600 and on the GBIC's $360 each. ============================= Richard Curley (386) 323-2570 MIS Administrator Stewart Marchman www.stewartmarchman.org -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:10 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] New Network - Fiber planned - Need advice Our school looks as if it is going to be rewired and soon. I took a couple of the replies I got from this list to school (Thank you everyone who answered with ideas) and explained them to my technician. He was happy to see that fibre was mentioned to help out in our long-long cat 5 runs past ballasts and chillers/air handlers all along inside the ceilings. Now, what equipment would you recommend or are using in your schools? My room wil be the center of the new network. It is away from the big electrical equipment. We have a need for one 8 port fibre switch that will feed 7 other fiber media adapters so that we can use our existing newer switches at the ends of the long runs. We are looking for equipment brand names, model numbers, and of course the cheapest workable solution. None of us here have even seen a fiber setup. Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ckjohnson at gwi.net Wed Apr 21 16:03:59 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:03:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need Help - ltsp login using passwd files from main In-Reply-To: <20040421152750.8563.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040421152750.8563.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40869B6F.9090506@gwi.net> If you logon as root, exectly what messages do you get if you type: su - someuser (substituting one of the other users in migrated passwd file). -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 21 18:25:47 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:25:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <1082497292.3866.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <000601c427ce$1489add0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> If I issue #smbpasswd -a test Then enter in new passwords I get the errors Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user test Failed to modify password entry for user test But if I issue the same command for an existing user, I receive no errors. Now what? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:42 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 18:13, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I can add/change a user via the Samba Webmin module, but I cannot > convert unix users to samba or get them to syncronize. Is this what > you meant? Yes, if you log in as root and do 'smbpasswd -a user' where the user is already in the unix password file, do you get an error message? Webmin is probably running that for you. It shouldn't be possible to convert the unix password to a samba password unless you still have the plain text, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 21 17:20:23 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:20:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <000601c427ce$1489add0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000601c427ce$1489add0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1082568023.7276.172.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 13:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > If I issue > #smbpasswd -a test > Then enter in new passwords I get the errors > Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user test > Failed to modify password entry for user test > > But if I issue the same command for an existing user, I receive no > errors. Now what? That's normal for a case where the user does not exist at all in the unix /etc/passwd file - they must exist as unix users first. I think the webmin 'convert' case should involve users who are in /etc/passwd but not yet in /etc/samba/smbpasswd. If you don't get an error in that case, then I don't see why webmin should fail either. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jfaletra at sau16.org Wed Apr 21 17:29:18 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:29:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving Win2k user groups.accounts over to Esmith Message-ID: Is there an "easy" way to move accounts from a win2k or 2003 Domain controller to an esmith server? Thanks! Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Wed Apr 21 19:36:57 2004 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:36:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 V4 app question Message-ID: <4086CD59.7080105@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> I am new to the K12 thing. I have a setup going now of 8 computers and a server. I want to remove the games from the student's group desktop. I have the student group created. I know that essentially, I need to Chgroup the application, but I am not proficient enough with the command to do so with any certainty. Is there a GUI tool somewhere that will help me allow/disallow applications to a group? Brandon Kovach From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 21 22:05:12 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:05:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <1082568023.7276.172.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <000f01c427ec$bb1b7340$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I think I understand what you are saying now. I tried to add user test with smbpasswd -a test without the user existing in the unix users list and I received the error. Then I did a adduser test and then passwd test to add the user to unix, after that I issued the smbpasswd -a test without errors. So what you are saying is that Webmin should be issuing this same set of commands? If so why do I get an error in Webmin but not when I issue it manually? Should I try to re-install Webmin? I really want to be able to manage these users from a single area. If I cannot get Webmin to work is there a way I can set Samba and Unix to syncronize users without using Webmin? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:20 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 13:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > If I issue > #smbpasswd -a test > Then enter in new passwords I get the errors > Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user test > Failed to modify password entry for user test > > But if I issue the same command for an existing user, I receive no > errors. Now what? That's normal for a case where the user does not exist at all in the unix /etc/passwd file - they must exist as unix users first. I think the webmin 'convert' case should involve users who are in /etc/passwd but not yet in /etc/samba/smbpasswd. If you don't get an error in that case, then I don't see why webmin should fail either. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Wed Apr 21 20:08:17 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:08:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <000f01c427ec$bb1b7340$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000f01c427ec$bb1b7340$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4086D4B1.4030800@cfl.rr.com> Don't re-install, go to Webmin Configuration and Update webmin, then update modules. There's a fix within those updates Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I think I understand what you are saying now. I tried to add user test >with smbpasswd -a test without the user existing in the unix users list >and I received the error. Then I did a adduser test and then passwd >test to add the user to unix, after that I issued the smbpasswd -a test >without errors. So what you are saying is that Webmin should be issuing >this same set of commands? If so why do I get an error in Webmin but >not when I issue it manually? Should I try to re-install Webmin? I >really want to be able to manage these users from a single area. If I >cannot get Webmin to work is there a way I can set Samba and Unix to >syncronize users without using Webmin? > >Thanks > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Les Mikesell >Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:20 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem > > >On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 13:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >>If I issue >>#smbpasswd -a test >>Then enter in new passwords I get the errors >>Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user test >>Failed to modify password entry for user test >> >>But if I issue the same command for an existing user, I receive no >>errors. Now what? >> >> > >That's normal for a case where the user does not exist at all in the >unix /etc/passwd file - they must exist as unix users first. I think the >webmin 'convert' case should involve users who are in /etc/passwd but >not yet in /etc/samba/smbpasswd. If you don't get an error in that case, >then I don't see why webmin should fail either. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 21 22:13:14 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:13:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <4086D4B1.4030800@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <001101c427ed$d9fb8b50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks, I'll try it right now. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chase Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:08 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem Don't re-install, go to Webmin Configuration and Update webmin, then update modules. There's a fix within those updates Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I think I understand what you are saying now. I tried to add user test >with smbpasswd -a test without the user existing in the unix users list >and I received the error. Then I did a adduser test and then passwd >test to add the user to unix, after that I issued the smbpasswd -a test >without errors. So what you are saying is that Webmin should be >issuing this same set of commands? If so why do I get an error in >Webmin but not when I issue it manually? Should I try to re-install >Webmin? I really want to be able to manage these users from a single >area. If I cannot get Webmin to work is there a way I can set Samba >and Unix to syncronize users without using Webmin? > >Thanks > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Les Mikesell >Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:20 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem > > >On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 13:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >>If I issue >>#smbpasswd -a test >>Then enter in new passwords I get the errors >>Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user test >>Failed to modify password entry for user test >> >>But if I issue the same command for an existing user, I receive no >>errors. Now what? >> >> > >That's normal for a case where the user does not exist at all in the >unix /etc/passwd file - they must exist as unix users first. I think >the webmin 'convert' case should involve users who are in /etc/passwd >but not yet in /etc/samba/smbpasswd. If you don't get an error in that >case, then I don't see why webmin should fail either. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 21 22:28:56 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:28:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <4086D4B1.4030800@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <001b01c427f0$0bcd8870$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks Brian, that did it. I suppose next time I should go to Webmin and see if there are any updates :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chase Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:08 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem Don't re-install, go to Webmin Configuration and Update webmin, then update modules. There's a fix within those updates Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I think I understand what you are saying now. I tried to add user test >with smbpasswd -a test without the user existing in the unix users list >and I received the error. Then I did a adduser test and then passwd >test to add the user to unix, after that I issued the smbpasswd -a test >without errors. So what you are saying is that Webmin should be >issuing this same set of commands? If so why do I get an error in >Webmin but not when I issue it manually? Should I try to re-install >Webmin? I really want to be able to manage these users from a single >area. If I cannot get Webmin to work is there a way I can set Samba >and Unix to syncronize users without using Webmin? > >Thanks > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Les Mikesell >Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:20 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem > > >On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 13:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >>If I issue >>#smbpasswd -a test >>Then enter in new passwords I get the errors >>Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user test >>Failed to modify password entry for user test >> >>But if I issue the same command for an existing user, I receive no >>errors. Now what? >> >> > >That's normal for a case where the user does not exist at all in the >unix /etc/passwd file - they must exist as unix users first. I think >the webmin 'convert' case should involve users who are in /etc/passwd >but not yet in /etc/samba/smbpasswd. If you don't get an error in that >case, then I don't see why webmin should fail either. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 21 22:35:59 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:35:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New Network - Fiber planned - Need advice In-Reply-To: <006b01c427b8$d420c680$0400000a@stewartmarchman.org> Message-ID: <001c01c427f1$086317d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> We are also running a WS3508 with some short haul and some long haul GBIC's. Definitely higher priced but worth it. We haven't touched ours since it was installed. I would search Ebay for some of this equipment, we just sold a bunch of GBIC's and 3548's on there for much less than what you would pay new or even at a used store. It is very common to see good deals on this stuff out there. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Richard Curley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:54 AM To: jim at linux.ca; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New Network - Fiber planned - Need advice While not the cheapest solution out there, Cisco's WS3508G-XL is a great unit. It provides 8 Gb fiber ports. And then don't forget the GBIC modules, if you're running SC connectors on multimode fiber, you will need Cisco "1000BaseSX Short WaveLength GBIC Multimode only" part # WS-G5484= . Pricing on the Switch is about $3,600 and on the GBIC's $360 each. ============================= Richard Curley (386) 323-2570 MIS Administrator Stewart Marchman www.stewartmarchman.org -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:10 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] New Network - Fiber planned - Need advice Our school looks as if it is going to be rewired and soon. I took a couple of the replies I got from this list to school (Thank you everyone who answered with ideas) and explained them to my technician. He was happy to see that fibre was mentioned to help out in our long-long cat 5 runs past ballasts and chillers/air handlers all along inside the ceilings. Now, what equipment would you recommend or are using in your schools? My room wil be the center of the new network. It is away from the big electrical equipment. We have a need for one 8 port fibre switch that will feed 7 other fiber media adapters so that we can use our existing newer switches at the ends of the long runs. We are looking for equipment brand names, model numbers, and of course the cheapest workable solution. None of us here have even seen a fiber setup. Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU =htt p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Wed Apr 21 20:35:39 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:35:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <001b01c427f0$0bcd8870$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c427f0$0bcd8870$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4086DB1B.8010203@cfl.rr.com> set it up to schedule updates, within the same module, I've got mine checking everyday..... Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Thanks Brian, that did it. I suppose next time I should go to Webmin >and see if there are any updates :-) > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Brian Chase >Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:08 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem > > >Don't re-install, go to Webmin Configuration and Update webmin, then >update modules. There's a fix within those updates > > >Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>I think I understand what you are saying now. I tried to add user test >> >> > > > >>with smbpasswd -a test without the user existing in the unix users list >> >> > > > >>and I received the error. Then I did a adduser test and then passwd >>test to add the user to unix, after that I issued the smbpasswd -a test >> >> > > > >>without errors. So what you are saying is that Webmin should be >>issuing this same set of commands? If so why do I get an error in >>Webmin but not when I issue it manually? Should I try to re-install >>Webmin? I really want to be able to manage these users from a single >>area. If I cannot get Webmin to work is there a way I can set Samba >>and Unix to syncronize users without using Webmin? >> >>Thanks >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>Behalf Of Les Mikesell >>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:20 AM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem >> >> >>On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 13:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>If I issue >>>#smbpasswd -a test >>>Then enter in new passwords I get the errors >>>Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user test >>>Failed to modify password entry for user test >>> >>>But if I issue the same command for an existing user, I receive no >>>errors. Now what? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>That's normal for a case where the user does not exist at all in the >>unix /etc/passwd file - they must exist as unix users first. I think >>the webmin 'convert' case should involve users who are in /etc/passwd >>but not yet in /etc/samba/smbpasswd. If you don't get an error in that >>case, then I don't see why webmin should fail either. >> >>--- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us Wed Apr 21 20:45:20 2004 From: LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us (Larry Mateo) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:45:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New Network - Fiber planned - Need advice Message-ID: FYI: For a good overview of fiber technology, see http://literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5968-5117E.pdf. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:10 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] New Network - Fiber planned - Need advice Our school looks as if it is going to be rewired and soon. I took a couple of the replies I got from this list to school (Thank you everyone who answered with ideas) and explained them to my technician. He was happy to see that fibre was mentioned to help out in our long-long cat 5 runs past ballasts and chillers/air handlers all along inside the ceilings. Now, what equipment would you recommend or are using in your schools? My room wil be the center of the new network. It is away from the big electrical equipment. We have a need for one 8 port fibre switch that will feed 7 other fiber media adapters so that we can use our existing newer switches at the ends of the long runs. We are looking for equipment brand names, model numbers, and of course the cheapest workable solution. None of us here have even seen a fiber setup. Thanks, Jim Larry Mateo Network Technician II Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 21 16:25:26 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:25:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving Win2k user groups.accounts over to Esmith In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04042112272300.15971@newguy> i suppose you could pull a directory which gives you the usernames and script it so it either rewrites passwd shadow group and gshadow directly or runs through adduser and passwd..you could implement a default initial pw and have them change at first login...chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 21 16:28:06 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:28:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <000601c427ce$1489add0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000601c427ce$1489add0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <04042112291001.15971@newguy> i assume you ran summat like cat /etc/passwd|mksmbpasswd.sh > /etc/samba/smbpasswd.....to sort of format the smbpasswd file??chuck From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 21 22:16:14 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:16:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need Help - ltsp login using passwd files from main In-Reply-To: <20040421152750.8563.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040421152750.8563.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1082585774.25395.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 10:27, Tanieth Bowers wrote: > -r-------- 1 root root 6198 Apr 21 > 09:10 /etc/shadow > > BUT still no luck. Are you sure the shadow password was being updated correctly on the source machine? It sounds like the new one is using it and finding values that say the account has expired. Read 'man 5 shadow' for the field definitions and see if they look reasonable. You could also try 'pwconv' to convert any non-shadow entries to shadowed or 'chage' to modify the expiration date for a user. Pwconv does some consistency check so it might be useful if something is wrong with the copies. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 21 22:22:16 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:22:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New Network - Fiber planned - Need advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4086F418.3040906@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Jim, Most of our schools are running lots of fiber-based Gig-E these days, and those few that aren't will be soon. I normally would recommend one of two Cisco switches, the Catalyst 3508G-XL, or the Catalyst 3550-12G, which is what we use a lot. However, Cisco gear is *VERY EXPENSIVE*, so if you're on a budget, stay away from Cisco. Another alternative is the SS3GR4i switch from Amer.com. It supports fiber Gig-E and copper Gig-E. http://www.amer.com/catalogue/ass3gr4i.html --TP Jim Christiansen wrote: > Our school looks as if it is going to be rewired and soon. I took a > couple of the replies I got from this list to school (Thank you > everyone who answered with ideas) and explained them to my > technician. He was happy to see that fibre was mentioned to help out > in our long-long cat 5 runs past ballasts and chillers/air handlers > all along inside the ceilings. > > Now, what equipment would you recommend or are using in your schools? > My room wil be the center of the new network. It is away from the big > electrical equipment. We have a need for one 8 port fibre switch that > will feed 7 other fiber media adapters so that we can use our existing > newer switches at the ends of the long runs. > > We are looking for equipment brand names, model numbers, and of course > the cheapest workable solution. None of us here have even seen a > fiber setup. > > Thanks, > > Jim > From tim at litwiller.net Thu Apr 22 01:50:53 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:50:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving Win2k user groups.accounts over to Esmith In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408724FD.3060201@litwiller.net> contribs.org has a lazyadmintoolkit that will take a userlist text file and add all the users. take a look http://contribs.org/modules/mylinks/singlelink.php?cid=54&lid=383 then you just have to export the usernames and passwords out of windows and use OOo calc or excel to format the columns in the correct order and run the script. Joe Faletra wrote: >Is there an "easy" way to move accounts from a win2k or 2003 Domain >controller to an esmith server? > >Thanks! > > >Joe Faletra >School Administrative Unit 16 >Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >T: 603-775-8576 >F: 603-775-8487 >http://www.sau16.org > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From Timothy.Wier at curf.edu Thu Apr 22 04:59:08 2004 From: Timothy.Wier at curf.edu (Tim Wier) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:59:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Winterm 2315SE Message-ID: <001001c42826$8bfae340$5004810a@crfwierta> Winterm 2315SE http://www.asiweb.com/products/wyse/winterm/discontinued/PDF_Winterm_2315_Brochure.pdf Does anyone know if these thin clients will work with LTSP? If tries looking through the archives but I could find any mention of this model. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adfour at mtaonline.net Thu Apr 22 05:32:43 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:32:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PD for staff (really OO) In-Reply-To: <40866F8C.10700@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1082422593.10568.4.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> <40866F8C.10700@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1082611963.5999.0.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Yeah, I have seen gratuitous ie requirements before. execrable. On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 04:56, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > SASIxp, in the case of my district. > > Also, we have certain Web apps that apparently depend on ActiveX (our > development team uses Microsoft dev tools). Thus, they run only on > Internet Exploder. This is apparently being done to "force" the Mac > lovers, of which there are many in our schools, to move to Windows (our > many thousands of Macs typically have Netscape, but not IE, installed). > > --TP > > Andrew Fournier wrote: > > >Mission critical? What win software is mission critical in a school? > >A. Fournier > >On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 13:16, Nakashima wrote: > > > > > >>On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 05:00:58PM -0400, Barry Solof wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>I *knew* somebody was going to suggest that! > >>>> > >>>>If only there were a way to magically replace all the doze apps in my > >>>>network overnight. You bet I'd switch us over to ltsp. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>This always makes me wonder, how did school IT deal with moving, say, > >>>from Apple II and the like, to Win3.1 or Mac, back when that transition > >>>took place? > >>> > >>>-bill! > >>> > >>> > >>Technology systems were not as entrenched or mission critical back then, > >>so it was a less difficult transition. > >>--Peter > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From george.bredberg at comhem.se Thu Apr 22 06:29:58 2004 From: george.bredberg at comhem.se (George Bredberg) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:29:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] CD-ROM acces in terminals Message-ID: <200404220629.i3M6Twm23092@d1o404.telia.com> Hi, I have two ltsp-servers, 4.01 serving 9 and 12 terminals each in our school. Now there are a lot of people asking for access to the CD:s in the terminals. I have tried to search for how to do this but I have only found one note for an older version accessing CD:s via the ftp protocoll.. Is there some straightforward (for the students at least..) way to do this? I would wery much apreciate if someone could point me in the right direction. Regards /George From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Thu Apr 22 11:36:17 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:36:17 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] CD-ROM acces in terminals Message-ID: <21452769.1082633777415.JavaMail.oracle@linares> El Jueves, 22 de Abril de 2004 08:29, George Bredberg escribi?: > Hi, > > I have two ltsp-servers, 4.01 serving 9 and 12 terminals each in our > school. Now there are a lot of people asking for access to the CD:s in > the terminals. I have tried to search for how to do this but I have > only found one note for an older version accessing CD:s via the ftp > protocoll.. Is there some straightforward (for the students at least..) > way to do this? I would wery much apreciate if someone could point me > in the right direction. > > Regards /George Hi George! I've dealing with this although I haven't finnished yet as my project of using K12LTSP in the school have been stopped. Anyway I only need to finninish some things in order to get all done, and then I'll create a howto: I've already have success accessing to CD in the terminals. You only need to: 1. Rebuild the terminal's kernel with supermount module support 2. Install lufs in the terminal's root (/opt/ltsp/i386) 3. using a combination of lufsmount and supermount, you sucess! I think it's not needed, but I used SSH in order to the be secure :). All of this thanks to Andres Toomsalu's LDA howto (http://smtp.active.ee/download/ltsp4_lda_v0.2.tar.gz). This way, you can access even to usb devices, and to local partitions, but I still couldn't read audio cds. That's anoying, thus, I'm still trying to use ENBD (Enhanced NBD) to do that. I feel that I have already installed, and my problems are about the enbd command's options.. If you need help with anythink, ask me and I'll try to do it at my best =). I think in the next K12LTSP version (4.1 anyone?) could be included: ssh + lda + supermount. This would be a real improvement and it would save many time to us. CDroms in the terminals is a fact. Let's use it. And we could even try to autdetect every device whn it's added, then we supermount it. What do you think K12LTSP developers ? Regards, Edulix. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 22 14:53:00 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:53:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <04042112291001.15971@newguy> Message-ID: <002801c42879$84f24400$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Heck no, never heard of that. I just used the Webmin tool and that is it. Would it be safe to assume that Webmin does such a thing? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:28 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Webmin Samba Problem i assume you ran summat like cat /etc/passwd|mksmbpasswd.sh > /etc/samba/smbpasswd.....to sort of format the smbpasswd file??chuck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From skossakoski at sau16.org Thu Apr 22 14:39:23 2004 From: skossakoski at sau16.org (Steve Kossakoski) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:39:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum specs for firewall/filter Message-ID: We're hoping to replace our firewall/filtering solutions with an SME server. Could someone recommend the minimum specs for an SME server used only as a firewall and filtering server. Thanks! Steve Steve Kossakoski, Ph.D. Assistant Superintendent, Technology SAU 16 24 Front Street Exeter, NH 03833 Ph: 603-775-8678 Fax: 603-775-8673 http://www.sau16.org http://www.spdc.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8678 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8678. From nehstshort at MDECA.ORG Thu Apr 22 14:58:15 2004 From: nehstshort at MDECA.ORG (Trina L. Short) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:58:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum specs for firewall/filter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4087A547.22532.102E60AB@localhost> On 22 Apr 2004 at 10:39, Steve Kossakoski wrote: > We're hoping to replace our firewall/filtering solutions with an SME > server. Could someone recommend the minimum specs for an SME server > used only as a firewall and filtering server. Well... Jim Conley will laugh when he sees this and think about the machine that dad and I brought to a bring it/make it lab. It was 166MHz with 32MB of RAM. After some initial hiccups, it did work and by the time folks were typing in the URLs for the upgrades, I had caught up with them. Our current SME server, however, is a Celeron 1.6GHz and 128MB RAM machine. Since it's our Web Caching Server, it's called JohnnyCache. Jim, BTW, has always been a wonderful resource for our county techs. We appreciate the SME workshop that he did and all the other help he's provided us. -- Trina L. Short Newton Local School From haysja at sages.us Thu Apr 22 15:06:23 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:06:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum specs for firewall/filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4087DF6F.300@sages.us> We are replacing all of our SME filters with IPCop machines with DansGuardian added. Have you considered IPCop instead of SME? I love SME for a web server and an email server. I think IPCop might be a better choice for firewall/filter, though. We are using 1 Ghz Celerons with 256 MB RAM. More machine that is needed for this, but it is what I have. Steve Kossakoski wrote: >We're hoping to replace our firewall/filtering solutions with an SME >server. Could someone recommend the minimum specs for an SME server >used only as a firewall and filtering server. >Thanks! >Steve > >Steve Kossakoski, Ph.D. >Assistant Superintendent, Technology >SAU 16 24 Front Street Exeter, NH 03833 >Ph: 603-775-8678 Fax: 603-775-8673 >http://www.sau16.org >http://www.spdc.org > > >DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE >INTENDED ADDRESSEE. >This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged >information that is intended only for the addressee. >If you have received this communication in error, please call us >immediately at 603-775-8678 and ask to speak to the >sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender >via e-mail that you have received the communication >in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive >late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does >not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. >If verification of this message is required, please request a >hard copy version at 603-775-8678. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From ckacoroski at nsd.org Thu Apr 22 16:05:40 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:05:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New Network - Fiber planned - Need advice In-Reply-To: <4086F418.3040906@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4086F418.3040906@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: We looked at cisco and ended up with Foundry because they are less expensive, have better performance, and a consistent user interface across all their equipment. cheers, ski Northshore School District. On Apr 21, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Hello Jim, > > Most of our schools are running lots of fiber-based Gig-E these days, > and those few that aren't will be soon. > > I normally would recommend one of two Cisco switches, the Catalyst > 3508G-XL, or the Catalyst 3550-12G, which is what we use a lot. > However, Cisco gear is *VERY EXPENSIVE*, so if you're on a budget, > stay away from Cisco. > > Another alternative is the SS3GR4i switch from Amer.com. It supports > fiber Gig-E and copper Gig-E. > > http://www.amer.com/catalogue/ass3gr4i.html > > --TP > > Jim Christiansen wrote: > >> Our school looks as if it is going to be rewired and soon. I took a >> couple of the replies I got from this list to school (Thank you >> everyone who answered with ideas) and explained them to my >> technician. He was happy to see that fibre was mentioned to help out >> in our long-long cat 5 runs past ballasts and chillers/air handlers >> all along inside the ceilings. >> >> Now, what equipment would you recommend or are using in your schools? >> My room wil be the center of the new network. It is away from the >> big electrical equipment. We have a need for one 8 port fibre switch >> that will feed 7 other fiber media adapters so that we can use our >> existing newer switches at the ends of the long runs. >> >> We are looking for equipment brand names, model numbers, and of >> course the cheapest workable solution. None of us here have even >> seen a fiber setup. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Thu Apr 22 16:06:07 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:06:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB access at terminals Message-ID: <1082649966.5023.8.camel@localhost> Hi all, Is it possible to access the local usb on the terminals? I am wondering about the use of usb devices such as usb flash drives, card readers and alike. Thanks, -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District Frederic, WI 54837 (715) 327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us http://www.frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open, Are you?" From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 22 16:20:09 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:20:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB access at terminals In-Reply-To: <1082649966.5023.8.camel@localhost> References: <1082649966.5023.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4087F0B9.5000406@maltzen.net> I think the short answer is "not easily". Work is being done on accessing remote devices like USB and CDROM, etc. See the postings from Eduardo Elvira, aka edulix (including one today). He says he's got it working but doesn't have a how-to written yet. It involves building a new kernel for the clients. Petre Justin Paulsen wrote: > Hi all, > > Is it possible to access the local usb on the terminals? I am wondering > about the use of usb devices such as usb flash drives, card readers and > alike. > > Thanks, > From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Apr 22 19:43:29 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:43:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I make a k12ltsp apt repository for my district? Message-ID: <40882061.70801@glenwood.k12.mo.us> I'd like to mirror the k12ltsp repository onto a server in my district, but of course, I don't know how. How much hard drive space am I talking about here? Also, I still only use Redhat 8.0 (k12LTSP 3.0.0 CDs) - will this make a difference in how I set this up? If there's a HOWTO or other docs I should read, please let me know. Thanks. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 22 19:58:01 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:58:01 -0700 Subject: [K12ltsp-devel] Re: [K12OSN] CD-ROM acces in terminals In-Reply-To: <1082656714.2168.40.camel@localhost> References: <21452769.1082633777415.JavaMail.oracle@linares> <1082656714.2168.40.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1082663881.16822.61.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 10:58, Calvin Park, ADCS wrote: > I agree that CDROM access in the terminals would be a big improvement. > That is one point that our school here has been a little disappointed > about. Currently it's not supported, short of rebuilding the kernel (at > least to my knowledge). > > So, can any of the devel guys help us with an answer to this? Is CDROM > support planned in the next release? Yes, improvements in removable media are expected for LTSP 4.1. I'm not sure of the current status, I'll be looking at this next week. > Also, one last question that's a little unrelated. Is there a k12LTSP > documentation project anywhere? http://k12ltsp.org http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ -Eric > Thanks all! > -Calvin > > On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 07:36, Eduardo Robles Elvira wrote: > > El Jueves, 22 de Abril de 2004 08:29, George Bredberg escribi??: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have two ltsp-servers, 4.01 serving 9 and 12 terminals each in our > > > school. Now there are a lot of people asking for access to the CD:s in > > > the terminals. I have tried to search for how to do this but I have > > > only found one note for an older version accessing CD:s via the ftp > > > protocoll.. Is there some straightforward (for the students at least..) > > > way to do this? I would wery much apreciate if someone could point me > > > in the right direction. > > > > > > Regards /George > > > > Hi George! > > > > I've dealing with this although I haven't finnished yet as my project of using K12LTSP in the school have been stopped. Anyway I only need to finninish some things in order to get all done, and then I'll create a howto: > > > > I've already have success accessing to CD in the terminals. You only need to: > > > > 1. Rebuild the terminal's kernel with supermount module support > > 2. Install lufs in the terminal's root (/opt/ltsp/i386) > > 3. using a combination of lufsmount and supermount, you sucess! > > > > I think it's not needed, but I used SSH in order to the be secure :). All of this thanks to Andres Toomsalu's LDA howto (http://smtp.active.ee/download/ltsp4_lda_v0.2.tar.gz). > > > > This way, you can access even to usb devices, and to local partitions, but I still couldn't read audio cds. That's anoying, thus, I'm still trying to use ENBD (Enhanced NBD) to do that. I feel that I have already installed, and my problems are about the enbd command's options.. > > > > If you need help with anythink, ask me and I'll try to do it at my best =). > > > > I think in the next K12LTSP version (4.1 anyone?) could be included: ssh + lda + supermount. This would be a real improvement and it would save many time to us. CDroms in the terminals is a fact. Let's use it. And we could even try to autdetect every device whn it's added, then we supermount it. What do you think K12LTSP developers ? > > > > Regards, > > Edulix. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you kindly, Joseph From skossakoski at sau16.org Thu Apr 22 20:32:15 2004 From: skossakoski at sau16.org (Steve Kossakoski) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:32:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice Message-ID: Has anyone installed and configured StarOffice on a K12LTSP server, or would you recommend staying with OpenOffice? Thanks, Steve From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 22 21:39:18 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:39:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling Print quotas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001801c428b2$44901700$1803010a@paasda.org> have you tried this? http://www.librelogiciel.com/software/PyKota/action_Presentation found by searching on google for 'print quotas in linux' =) many more listed... this just seemed semi-informative... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:23 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling Print quotas? Good-day. I have, thanks to many people here, been able to enable disk quotas for the students. The next step is enabling printer quotas. Our students print out thousands of pages every month - 90% of it is garbage. But they don't seem to realize the need to hit 'print-preview' when they can just waste paper instead! The printer system is set up so that the K12ltsp(RH9) server communicates to a Win98 machine which is running the laser printer. The printer connection is made through SMB. How can I limit the number of pages each student can print? Thank you kindly, Joseph _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 22 21:51:00 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:51:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling Print quotas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c428b3$e6f528e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Found this one also... http://ieee.uow.edu.au/~daniel/software/printbill/download.shtml --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:23 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling Print quotas? Good-day. I have, thanks to many people here, been able to enable disk quotas for the students. The next step is enabling printer quotas. Our students print out thousands of pages every month - 90% of it is garbage. But they don't seem to realize the need to hit 'print-preview' when they can just waste paper instead! The printer system is set up so that the K12ltsp(RH9) server communicates to a Win98 machine which is running the laser printer. The printer connection is made through SMB. How can I limit the number of pages each student can print? Thank you kindly, Joseph _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Apr 22 22:07:45 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:07:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40884231.1050909@cmosnetworks.com> I have done this on several versions of K12LTSP. It's the same as doing it with any distro that already has OO.o on it, be it RHL 9, Fedora, Mandrake, Slackware (yes, it's a manual install there, but pretty simple), or otherwise. StarOffice is worth it, in my opinion, if you need the extra input filters like the WordPerfect or WordStar converters. Also, if you have a need to go with specifically the Adabas database, then go w/ StarOffice. Personally, I find OpenOffice.org more than sufficient, because I have yet to run into a WordPerfect or WordStar document in a very long time. StarOffice and OpenOffice.org, in my experience, seem to have the same quality to open MS Word/Excel/PowerPoint files, and this is with embedded Visio diagrams and such. --TP Steve Kossakoski wrote: >Has anyone installed and configured StarOffice on a K12LTSP server, or >would you recommend staying with OpenOffice? >Thanks, >Steve > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu Apr 22 22:27:56 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:27:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum specs for firewall/filter In-Reply-To: <04Apr22.164122cest.87091@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Apr22.164122cest.87091@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <34959.217.208.78.24.1082672876.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> I use a modest 233 mhz 256 mb ram ipcop as firewall/squid webcache/filter and i must say it works very well. It has an easy web interface and handles load gracefully. Try it out it is very easy to use. /cheers! > We're hoping to replace our firewall/filtering solutions with an SME > server. Could someone recommend the minimum specs for an SME server > used only as a firewall and filtering server. > Thanks! > Steve > > Steve Kossakoski, Ph.D. > Assistant Superintendent, Technology > SAU 16 24 Front Street Exeter, NH 03833 > Ph: 603-775-8678 Fax: 603-775-8673 > http://www.sau16.org > http://www.spdc.org > > > DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE > INTENDED ADDRESSEE. > This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged > information that is intended only for the addressee. > If you have received this communication in error, please call us > immediately at 603-775-8678 and ask to speak to the > sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender > via e-mail that you have received the communication > in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive > late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does > not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. > If verification of this message is required, please request a > hard copy version at 603-775-8678. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Apr 23 02:20:31 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:20:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla permissions Message-ID: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> We have a Linux lab that is used also as a typing lab. The typing teacher is having problems with the students using the internet when they are not supposed to. 1. Am I right in thinking that if I change the permissions on Mozilla I can make it unavailable to the students? 2. If the first question is yes where is the Mozila file located? Bye Pat From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Apr 23 02:25:11 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:25:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] About printing Message-ID: <40887E87.7040406@elp.rr.com> Our typing lab teacher would like to be able to hold documents sent to print in the print que until she can check them for extra blank pages. To accomplish this she wants to be able to open the documents in the print que right there in the print que while logged in as either herself or as root. Is this possible and if so how do I set it up for her. This particular teacher is an appliance operator not a computer manipulator. Bye Pat From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 23 02:29:06 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:29:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla permissions In-Reply-To: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> References: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <40887F72.4010706@cfl.rr.com> Unplug the uplink cable to the internet., the downstream clients will still work. This requires a two NIC setup, which is preferred for traffic separation anyway. John P. Conlon wrote: > We have a Linux lab that is used also as a typing lab. The typing > teacher is having problems with the students using the internet when > they are not supposed to. > 1. Am I right in thinking that if I change the permissions on Mozilla > I can make it unavailable to the students? > 2. If the first question is yes where is the Mozila file located? > Bye > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Thu Apr 22 22:36:00 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:36:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla permissions In-Reply-To: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> References: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1082673360.26741.9.camel@jack.palmadesso.net> I had to to this with the instant messanger awhile back. To find out where any binary file is do a which. [root at server root]# which mozilla /usr/bin/mozilla <------------------thats your executable checking permissions shows root user and root groups owns this object [root at server root]# ls -al /usr/bin/mozilla -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5955 Nov 15 01:29 /usr/bin/mozilla to make it unavailable to users do chmod chmod 770 /usr/bin/mozilla That should take care of them but it will affect everyone. This is just a quick fix. A more elegant solution would be to create a group called internet and place users who should be able to access the net in that group. Then change the ownership of the mozilla executable to be owned by the internet group. Once that is done you can take or give away internet access by placing users in the internet group. Hope that helps. Jack On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 21:20, John P. Conlon wrote: > We have a Linux lab that is used also as a typing lab. The typing > teacher is having problems with the students using the internet when > they are not supposed to. > 1. Am I right in thinking that if I change the permissions on Mozilla I > can make it unavailable to the students? > 2. If the first question is yes where is the Mozila file located? > Bye > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Thu Apr 22 22:42:00 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:42:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] About printing In-Reply-To: <40887E87.7040406@elp.rr.com> References: <40887E87.7040406@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1082673719.26741.15.camel@jack.palmadesso.net> One way to accomplish this would be to print everything to a file instead of a printer, however it would probably be better to review the actual file BEFORE it is printed. I do not think there is a way to intercept print jobs like you would like but I am no printing expert. Just trying to help. Jack On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 21:25, John P. Conlon wrote: > Our typing lab teacher would like to be able to hold documents sent to > print in the print que until she can check them for extra blank pages. > To accomplish this she wants to be able to open the documents in the > print que right there in the print que while logged in as either herself > or as root. Is this possible and if so how do I set it up for her. > This particular teacher is an appliance operator not a computer manipulator. > Bye > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From memeyou at memeyou.net Fri Apr 23 02:44:19 2004 From: memeyou at memeyou.net (Thomas Ryan Gordon Sr) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:44:19 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] About printing In-Reply-To: <40887E87.7040406@elp.rr.com> References: <40887E87.7040406@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <40888303.7040502@memeyou.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John P. Conlon wrote: | Our typing lab teacher would like to be able to hold documents sent | to print in the print que until she can check them for extra blank | pages. To accomplish this she wants to be able to open the documents | in the print que right there in the print que while logged in as | either herself or as root. Is this possible and if so how do I set | it up for her. This particular teacher is an appliance operator not | a computer manipulator. Bye Pat | what is the cause of the blank pages? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAiIMDSM0VWiAMmtsRAuHOAJ4wY30pZJTlmL/jiCLEUE5zzzyCdgCgjnLw moNDE34MrmXHyTYBGqHfq68= =+CKg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From roger at quetuanis.info Fri Apr 23 01:48:24 2004 From: roger at quetuanis.info (rogertuanis) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:48:24 -0500 (Mexico Daylight Time) Subject: [K12OSN] Installation Halt! References: <20040422215129.EBB3574166@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <408875E8.00000F.65483@roger.cyber.com> Hi everybody! I have the last version of K12 4.01! I have a dedicated computer just to test/install/play with K12! The hard disk is a SCSI, just this one installed. I checked the HD with Partition Magic AND with the Adaptec utilities to be sure it's fine. Also 128 RAM! No error at all! K12 load everything, install the Adaptec host card, see even the monitor I have, the CD and the mouse and begin installation. I for sure, test the check sum and also check my CD for any errors with the Fedora utility!. PASS! Everything go straight up until the installation of the openoffice.org-1.1 0-6. Here is the error message: "There are some erro installing openoffice.org.... This can indicate media failure ( no way been tested), lack of disk space (no way, it's a 18 gig HD) and or harware problems. This is a fatal error and your install will be aborted. Please verifi your medai ( I always recheck it ...just incase) . and try to install again!" I intalled the server option, the desktop option and in both cases it stops at the office org package! Any clue! Thanks! Roger From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 23 03:12:12 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:12:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Installation Halt! In-Reply-To: <408875E8.00000F.65483@roger.cyber.com> References: <20040422215129.EBB3574166@hormel.redhat.com> <408875E8.00000F.65483@roger.cyber.com> Message-ID: <4088898C.2010706@cfl.rr.com> Did you perform media test on ALL FOUR CD's? That one bit me in the butt with the second ISO I downloaded, but found it on second install by performing media check on all four CD's. rogertuanis wrote: >Hi everybody! > >I have the last version of K12 4.01! > >I have a dedicated computer just to test/install/play with K12! The hard >disk is a SCSI, just this one installed. I checked the HD with Partition >Magic AND with the Adaptec utilities to be sure it's fine. Also 128 RAM! > >No error at all! K12 load everything, install the Adaptec host card, see >even the monitor I have, the CD and the mouse and begin installation. > >I for sure, test the check sum and also check my CD for any errors with the >Fedora utility!. PASS! > >Everything go straight up until the installation of the openoffice.org-1.1 >0-6. Here is the error message: > >"There are some erro installing openoffice.org.... This can indicate media >failure ( no way been tested), lack of disk space (no way, it's a 18 gig HD) >and or harware problems. This is a fatal error and your install will be >aborted. Please verifi your medai ( I always recheck it ...just incase) . >and try to install again!" > >I intalled the server option, the desktop option and in both cases it stops >at the office org package! > >Any clue! > >Thanks! > >Roger > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Apr 23 03:17:48 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:17:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] About printing In-Reply-To: <40888303.7040502@memeyou.net> References: <40887E87.7040406@elp.rr.com> <40888303.7040502@memeyou.net> Message-ID: <40888ADC.5060109@elp.rr.com> The lab is somewhat cramped and when the students reach to use the mouse they rest their arm on the enter key that is in the number pad. Bye Pat Thomas Ryan Gordon Sr wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > | Our typing lab teacher would like to be able to hold documents sent > | to print in the print que until she can check them for extra blank > | pages. To accomplish this she wants to be able to open the documents > | in the print que right there in the print que while logged in as > | either herself or as root. Is this possible and if so how do I set > | it up for her. This particular teacher is an appliance operator not > | a computer manipulator. Bye Pat > | > what is the cause of the blank pages? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAiIMDSM0VWiAMmtsRAuHOAJ4wY30pZJTlmL/jiCLEUE5zzzyCdgCgjnLw > moNDE34MrmXHyTYBGqHfq68= > =+CKg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Apr 23 03:21:25 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:21:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla permissions In-Reply-To: <40887F72.4010706@cfl.rr.com> References: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> <40887F72.4010706@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <40888BB5.2050401@elp.rr.com> Can't do that because there are some other terminals in other locations in the building that use that server also. Bye Pat Brian Chase wrote: > Unplug the uplink cable to the internet., the downstream clients will > still work. This requires a two NIC setup, which is preferred for > traffic separation anyway. > > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> We have a Linux lab that is used also as a typing lab. The typing >> teacher is having problems with the students using the internet when >> they are not supposed to. >> 1. Am I right in thinking that if I change the permissions on Mozilla >> I can make it unavailable to the students? >> 2. If the first question is yes where is the Mozila file located? >> Bye >> Pat >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 23 03:27:24 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:27:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla permissions In-Reply-To: <40888BB5.2050401@elp.rr.com> References: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> <40887F72.4010706@cfl.rr.com> <40888BB5.2050401@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <40888D1C.3060602@cfl.rr.com> Then I'm with the other thread that talks about chmod 770 for a group called "internet", but the typing students wouldn't be able to get to the internet ever from any classroom running that server. Sounds like a non-technical solution is in order, like "obey or be sent to the principles office", lol. John P. Conlon wrote: > Can't do that because there are some other terminals in other > locations in the building that use that server also. > Bye > Pat > > Brian Chase wrote: > >> Unplug the uplink cable to the internet., the downstream clients will >> still work. This requires a two NIC setup, which is preferred for >> traffic separation anyway. >> >> John P. Conlon wrote: >> >>> We have a Linux lab that is used also as a typing lab. The typing >>> teacher is having problems with the students using the internet when >>> they are not supposed to. >>> 1. Am I right in thinking that if I change the permissions on >>> Mozilla I can make it unavailable to the students? >>> 2. If the first question is yes where is the Mozila file located? >>> Bye >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Thu Apr 22 23:39:44 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:39:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla permissions In-Reply-To: <40888D1C.3060602@cfl.rr.com> References: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> <40887F72.4010706@cfl.rr.com> <40888BB5.2050401@elp.rr.com> <40888D1C.3060602@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1082677184.6482.6.camel@jack.palmadesso.net> Its true if you chmod 750 on /usr/bin/mozilla that no one will be able to use mozilla unless they are root or are part of the root group. Its a quick hack and not very pretty but it will work. Creating a group would take more time but it would be very flexible. Jack On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 22:27, Brian Chase wrote: > Then I'm with the other thread that talks about chmod 770 for a group > called "internet", but the typing students wouldn't be able to get to > the internet ever from any classroom running that server. > > Sounds like a non-technical solution is in order, like "obey or be sent > to the principles office", lol. > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > > Can't do that because there are some other terminals in other > > locations in the building that use that server also. > > Bye > > Pat > > > > Brian Chase wrote: > > > >> Unplug the uplink cable to the internet., the downstream clients will > >> still work. This requires a two NIC setup, which is preferred for > >> traffic separation anyway. > >> > >> John P. Conlon wrote: > >> > >>> We have a Linux lab that is used also as a typing lab. The typing > >>> teacher is having problems with the students using the internet when > >>> they are not supposed to. > >>> 1. Am I right in thinking that if I change the permissions on > >>> Mozilla I can make it unavailable to the students? > >>> 2. If the first question is yes where is the Mozila file located? > >>> Bye > >>> Pat > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From george.bredberg at comhem.se Fri Apr 23 04:57:54 2004 From: george.bredberg at comhem.se (George Bredberg) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:57:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice upgrade Message-ID: <200404230457.i3N4vsl24441@d1o405.telia.com> Hi, i had a strange problem with one of my servers running k12ltsp. I couldn't install the 4.01 but had to install 3.1.2 first and then do a upgrade. Don't now what happened but while installing 4.01 the install program said "not enough space" on the harddrive when it was supposed to install packages. The other server I have worked without any hazzle, and they both have a 36gb SCSI drive... I even tried to install with only one big root partition but still "not enough space". Now I have a problem, because the upgraded box versus the straight 4.01 installation saves the user files for OO in different places, and even worse, when having used the upgraded servers OO (1.0X) and going back to the fresh installed one opening OO (1.1.0) the startupscript traps in a loop. Nomather what they try to start in OO, it only launches the startupscript over and over again. That is fixed by deleting the userfiles for oo. Now, becuase of that I whant to upgrade oo, at least in the upgraded server. But the rpms dont seem to be the same.. I thought I could just upgrade with a downloaded oo 1.1.1, but then it says the oo dont have the same language (!) wich of course it has, and dont let me upgrade, but instead doing another install beside the old one. Now (at last) its time for the question.. If I remove the oo packages and install the fresch oo downloaded (*.tar.gz) will the oo still work as supposed on the terminals? (that is, will the install script i suppose u guys have provided still work?) Regards /George From adfour at mtaonline.net Fri Apr 23 05:15:09 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:15:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Installation Halt! In-Reply-To: <408875E8.00000F.65483@roger.cyber.com> References: <20040422215129.EBB3574166@hormel.redhat.com> <408875E8.00000F.65483@roger.cyber.com> Message-ID: <1082697304.11916.1.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Did you do any manual partitioning? I have seen the exact thing when either an auto partition (or sometimes one of mine) is too small. Do your partitions by hand and watch the installation. A. Fournier On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 17:48, rogertuanis wrote: > Hi everybody! > > I have the last version of K12 4.01! > > I have a dedicated computer just to test/install/play with K12! The hard > disk is a SCSI, just this one installed. I checked the HD with Partition > Magic AND with the Adaptec utilities to be sure it's fine. Also 128 RAM! > > No error at all! K12 load everything, install the Adaptec host card, see > even the monitor I have, the CD and the mouse and begin installation. > > I for sure, test the check sum and also check my CD for any errors with the > Fedora utility!. PASS! > > Everything go straight up until the installation of the openoffice.org-1.1 > 0-6. Here is the error message: > > "There are some erro installing openoffice.org.... This can indicate media > failure ( no way been tested), lack of disk space (no way, it's a 18 gig HD) > and or harware problems. This is a fatal error and your install will be > aborted. Please verifi your medai ( I always recheck it ...just incase) . > and try to install again!" > > I intalled the server option, the desktop option and in both cases it stops > at the office org package! > > Any clue! > > Thanks! > > Roger > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From patmo98 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 23 05:17:05 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:17:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla permissions In-Reply-To: <40888BB5.2050401@elp.rr.com> References: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> <40887F72.4010706@cfl.rr.com> <40888BB5.2050401@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4088A6D1.5000901@yahoo.com> John P. Conlon wrote: > Can't do that because there are some other terminals in other locations > in the building that use that server also. > > Bye > > Pat Try this as root at the bash prompt chmod 000 `which mozilla` Yes those are backticks not single quotes. The backtick is right above the tab key and on the same key as the tilde From bullet at sc.rr.com Fri Apr 23 10:21:52 2004 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (Tom Simpson) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:21:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SAT Prep Software and Keyboarding? In-Reply-To: <40887E87.7040406@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040423060100.03016d28@127.0.0.1> Hi: First time poster to the list. I am in the process of setting up a prototype mini-lab and preparing a proposal for a K12LTSP deployment in our school. No particular problems on the hardware and configuration side yet. While I have been doing so, I have been polling the academic teachers (the ultimate end-users) as to what they need a lab to do for them. Aside from the inevitable "research, write, and present" (all OpenOffice and Mozilla functions, no problems there), I have also gotten a request for SAT preparatory software. I am not at all familiar with that end of the educational software market for Windows, much less with any open-source options. Any suggestions in this area? Also, I want to be able to field any questions regarding how this might be implemented for the business teachers. I am dual certified social studies and business education and am mostly focused on how social studies and other academic teachers might use this approach because I am a social studies teacher at the moment. Still, the business teacher in me wonders about the business lab and how deployable a K12LTSP thin client lab is. I note that our state standards do not mention a particular software brand, but aside from TuxTyping, what is available out there for automated timed writing assessments and all of the other stuff business teachers would expect in a modern lab? OpenOffice is of course adequate for the word processing/spread sheet/etc. end of things, but what about assessment tools for the teacher? TIA -Tom Simpson -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 4/19/2004 From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 23 10:37:45 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:37:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SAT Prep Software and Keyboarding? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040423060100.03016d28@127.0.0.1> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040423060100.03016d28@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <4088F1F9.7010005@cfl.rr.com> In terms of timing assignments, policing of timed writing assignments can be monitored by the timestamp on the file. A simple "ls -la" in a public shared directory would be sufficient to check all the times of the last save of the file. Tom Simpson wrote: > Hi: > > First time poster to the list. I am in the process of setting up a > prototype mini-lab and preparing a proposal for a K12LTSP deployment > in our school. No particular problems on the hardware and > configuration side yet. While I have been doing so, I have been > polling the academic teachers (the ultimate end-users) as to what they > need a lab to do for them. Aside from the inevitable "research, write, > and present" (all OpenOffice and Mozilla functions, no problems > there), I have also gotten a request for SAT preparatory software. I > am not at all familiar with that end of the educational software > market for Windows, much less with any open-source options. Any > suggestions in this area? > > Also, I want to be able to field any questions regarding how this > might be implemented for the business teachers. I am dual certified > social studies and business education and am mostly focused on how > social studies and other academic teachers might use this approach > because I am a social studies teacher at the moment. Still, the > business teacher in me wonders about the business lab and how > deployable a K12LTSP thin client lab is. I note that our state > standards do not mention a particular software brand, but aside from > TuxTyping, what is available out there for automated timed writing > assessments and all of the other stuff business teachers would expect > in a modern lab? OpenOffice is of course adequate for the word > processing/spread sheet/etc. end of things, but what about assessment > tools for the teacher? > > TIA > -Tom Simpson > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 4/19/2004 > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jfaletra at sau16.org Fri Apr 23 10:40:40 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:40:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Install additional software not working Message-ID: I am installing a new k12ltsp server and I cannot get the "additional software" Adobe, java etc to load. It try's the apt get and the following error occurs: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored or old ones used instead. ERROR: could not update apt repository apt-get update Aborting Any ideas??? Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 23 10:46:38 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:46:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Install additional software not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4088F40E.6040505@cfl.rr.com> I'm pretty sure you need to do a "apt-get -f update" After initially loading the software, if you go directly to the "additional software" module on root's desktop, the error log shows those instructions, but if you've already done a yum update or RHN update, that little message to help you goes away, but the command still works. After the "apt-get -f update", go back into "additional software" and try it again, should work like a charm. Joe Faletra wrote: >I am installing a new k12ltsp server and I cannot get the "additional >software" Adobe, java etc to load. It try's the apt get and the >following error occurs: > >Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored or old ones >used instead. > >ERROR: could not update apt repository apt-get update > >Aborting > >Any ideas??? > > >Joe Faletra >School Administrative Unit 16 >Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >T: 603-775-8576 >F: 603-775-8487 >http://www.sau16.org > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jfaletra at sau16.org Fri Apr 23 11:11:52 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:11:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Install additional software not working In-Reply-To: <4088F40E.6040505@cfl.rr.com> References: <4088F40E.6040505@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Ok that worked (THANKS!) Now I get "Couldn't find package acroread" This is killing me! Joe "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I'm pretty sure you need to do a "apt-get -f update" After initially >loading the software, if you go directly to the "additional software" >module on root's desktop, the error log shows those instructions, but >if >you've already done a yum update or RHN update, that little message to >help you goes away, but the command still works. > >After the "apt-get -f update", go back into "additional software" and >try it again, should work like a charm. > >Joe Faletra wrote: > >>I am installing a new k12ltsp server and I cannot get the "additional >>software" Adobe, java etc to load. It try's the apt get and the >>following error occurs: >> >>Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored or old >ones >>used instead. >> >>ERROR: could not update apt repository apt-get update >> >>Aborting >> >>Any ideas??? >> >> >>Joe Faletra >>School Administrative Unit 16 >>Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >>T: 603-775-8576 >>F: 603-775-8487 >>http://www.sau16.org >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. 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From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Apr 23 11:13:55 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:13:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Web LDAP manager In-Reply-To: <1082466992.10505.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1082466992.10505.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040423111355.GF3509@wizzy.com> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > There is an announcement on freshmeat.net about a php based > LDAP editor. Is this the missing piece to set up central > authentication or is something better around? > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/gosa/?branch_id=31362&release_id=158248 I use a hacked version of a perl tool called LAST. It allows me to use my own LDAP schema. ftp://ftp.wizzy.com/pub/wizzy/SRPMS/last-0.81-11wiz.src.rpm there is a binary on the site, but it will not be much use to you. Indeed - I would love to have a better tool. On my laptop, I use LDAP Browser/Editor (needs Java) for generic LDAP editing. http://www.iit.edu/~gawojar/ldap/ Cheers, Andy! From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 23 11:21:47 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:21:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Install additional software not working In-Reply-To: References: <4088F40E.6040505@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4088FC4B.80900@cfl.rr.com> how about the others, java, etc, did they install ok? Joe Faletra wrote: >Ok that worked (THANKS!) > >Now I get "Couldn't find package acroread" > >This is killing me! > >Joe > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: > > >>I'm pretty sure you need to do a "apt-get -f update" After initially >>loading the software, if you go directly to the "additional software" >>module on root's desktop, the error log shows those instructions, but >>if >>you've already done a yum update or RHN update, that little message to >>help you goes away, but the command still works. >> >>After the "apt-get -f update", go back into "additional software" and >>try it again, should work like a charm. >> >>Joe Faletra wrote: >> >> >> >>>I am installing a new k12ltsp server and I cannot get the "additional >>>software" Adobe, java etc to load. It try's the apt get and the >>>following error occurs: >>> >>>Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored or old >>> >>> >>ones >> >> >>>used instead. >>> >>>ERROR: could not update apt repository apt-get update >>> >>>Aborting >>> >>>Any ideas??? >>> >>> >>>Joe Faletra >>>School Administrative Unit 16 >>>Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >>>T: 603-775-8576 >>>F: 603-775-8487 >>>http://www.sau16.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > > > >Joe Faletra >School Administrative Unit 16 >Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >T: 603-775-8576 >F: 603-775-8487 >http://www.sau16.org > > > > >DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE >INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential >and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. >If you have received this communication in error, please call us >immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the >communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail >that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail >may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or >contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as >a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is >required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jfaletra at sau16.org Fri Apr 23 11:28:48 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:28:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Install additional software not working Message-ID: Flash worked. All others failed. Joe "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >how about the others, java, etc, did they install ok? > > >Joe Faletra wrote: > >>Ok that worked (THANKS!) >> >>Now I get "Couldn't find package acroread" >> >>This is killing me! >> >>Joe >> >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." >>writes: >> >> >>>I'm pretty sure you need to do a "apt-get -f update" After >initially >>>loading the software, if you go directly to the "additional >software" >>>module on root's desktop, the error log shows those instructions, but >>>if >>>you've already done a yum update or RHN update, that little message >to >>>help you goes away, but the command still works. >>> >>>After the "apt-get -f update", go back into "additional software" >and >>>try it again, should work like a charm. >>> >>>Joe Faletra wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I am installing a new k12ltsp server and I cannot get the >"additional >>>>software" Adobe, java etc to load. It try's the apt get and the >>>>following error occurs: >>>> >>>>Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored or old >>>> >>>> >>>ones >>> >>> >>>>used instead. >>>> >>>>ERROR: could not update apt repository apt-get update >>>> >>>>Aborting >>>> >>>>Any ideas??? >>>> >>>> >>>>Joe Faletra >>>>School Administrative Unit 16 >>>>Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >>>>T: 603-775-8576 >>>>F: 603-775-8487 >>>>http://www.sau16.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>Joe Faletra >>School Administrative Unit 16 >>Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >>T: 603-775-8576 >>F: 603-775-8487 >>http://www.sau16.org >> >> >> >> >>DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE >THE >>INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential >>and/or privileged information that is intended only for the >addressee. >>If you have received this communication in error, please call us >>immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the >>communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail >>that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail >>may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or >>contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as >>a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is >>required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 23 11:35:51 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:35:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Install additional software not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4088FF97.9070206@cfl.rr.com> do a "yum update" and it will update repositories and try again, other than that, I'd suggest try when servers aren't so busy. I think you've got it, just busy servers out there. Joe Faletra wrote: >Flash worked. All others failed. > >Joe > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: > > >>how about the others, java, etc, did they install ok? >> >> >>Joe Faletra wrote: >> >> >> >>>Ok that worked (THANKS!) >>> >>>Now I get "Couldn't find package acroread" >>> >>>This is killing me! >>> >>>Joe >>> >>>"Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'm pretty sure you need to do a "apt-get -f update" After >>>> >>>> >>initially >> >> >>>>loading the software, if you go directly to the "additional >>>> >>>> >>software" >> >> >>>>module on root's desktop, the error log shows those instructions, but >>>>if >>>>you've already done a yum update or RHN update, that little message >>>> >>>> >>to >> >> >>>>help you goes away, but the command still works. >>>> >>>>After the "apt-get -f update", go back into "additional software" >>>> >>>> >>and >> >> >>>>try it again, should work like a charm. >>>> >>>>Joe Faletra wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I am installing a new k12ltsp server and I cannot get the >>>>> >>>>> >>"additional >> >> >>>>>software" Adobe, java etc to load. It try's the apt get and the >>>>>following error occurs: >>>>> >>>>>Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored or old >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>ones >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>used instead. >>>>> >>>>>ERROR: could not update apt repository apt-get update >>>>> >>>>>Aborting >>>>> >>>>>Any ideas??? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Joe Faletra >>>>>School Administrative Unit 16 >>>>>Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >>>>>T: 603-775-8576 >>>>>F: 603-775-8487 >>>>>http://www.sau16.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>Joe Faletra >>>School Administrative Unit 16 >>>Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >>>T: 603-775-8576 >>>F: 603-775-8487 >>>http://www.sau16.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE >>> >>> >>THE >> >> >>>INTENDED ADDRESSEE. 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If verification of this message is >>>required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > > > >Joe Faletra >School Administrative Unit 16 >Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >T: 603-775-8576 >F: 603-775-8487 >http://www.sau16.org > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 23 13:25:49 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:25:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Install additional software not working In-Reply-To: <4088FF97.9070206@cfl.rr.com> References: <4088FF97.9070206@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: I was getting the same error....now if I can remember what I did.....it was something like apt-get install which in turn installed a newer version of one of the apt packages which fixed everything....one thing to point out is that if you pay attention to the "message" generated when you run this command it should tell you exactly how to do it. If you're still having issues I'll try to duplicate it on Monday and tell you what I did, but in the end I was able to get it to work and it was an easy fix. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 23 13:33:55 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:33:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Installation Halt! In-Reply-To: <1082697304.11916.1.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> References: <20040422215129.EBB3574166@hormel.redhat.com> < > <408875E8.00000F.65483@roger.cyber.com> <1082697304.11916.1.camel@rdbck-1243.palmer.mtaonline.net> Message-ID: I've gotten this with certain CD-ROM drives....in particular Samsung.....once I switched to a better one...in this case Creative....it worked fine. Another way out is to install all but OO and install OO afterward. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Did you do any manual partitioning? I have seen the exact thing when >either an auto partition (or sometimes one of mine) is too small. Do >your partitions by hand and watch the installation. >A. Fournier >On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 17:48, rogertuanis wrote: >> Hi everybody! >> >> I have the last version of K12 4.01! >> >> I have a dedicated computer just to test/install/play with K12! The hard >> disk is a SCSI, just this one installed. I checked the HD with Partition >> Magic AND with the Adaptec utilities to be sure it's fine. Also 128 RAM! >> >> No error at all! K12 load everything, install the Adaptec host card, see >> even the monitor I have, the CD and the mouse and begin installation. >> >> I for sure, test the check sum and also check my CD for any errors with >the >> Fedora utility!. PASS! >> >> Everything go straight up until the installation of the >openoffice.org-1.1 >> 0-6. Here is the error message: >> >> "There are some erro installing openoffice.org.... This can indicate >media >> failure ( no way been tested), lack of disk space (no way, it's a 18 >gig HD) >> and or harware problems. This is a fatal error and your install will be >> aborted. Please verifi your medai ( I always recheck it ...just incase) >. >> and try to install again!" >> >> I intalled the server option, the desktop option and in both cases it >stops >> at the office org package! >> >> Any clue! >> >> Thanks! >> >> Roger David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Fri Apr 23 13:28:53 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:28:53 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] USB access at terminals Message-ID: <5745101.1082726933491.JavaMail.oracle@linares> El Jueves, 22 de Abril de 2004 18:20, Petre Scheie escribi?: > I think the short answer is "not easily". Work is being done on accessing > remote devices like USB and CDROM, etc. See the postings from Eduardo > Elvira, aka edulix (including one today). He says he's got it working but > doesn't have a how-to written yet. It involves building a new kernel for > the clients. > > Petre > > Justin Paulsen wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is it possible to access the local usb on the terminals? I am wondering > > about the use of usb devices such as usb flash drives, card readers and > > alike. > > > > Thanks, Hello: Well, actually there's already a howto in http://smtp.active.ee/download/ltsp4_lda_v0.2.tar.gz. It's written by Andres Toomsalu. It give some nice instructions and code about howto setup USB (storage) devices, and cdroms. I haven't tried USB though. But it doesn't come with a built kernel, and that could be the more difficult thing. As this seems interesting, this weekend I'm going to work on this and perhaps for monday I have the howto + needed files :-). Oh, something more: I have compiled my kernel with a nice bootsplash and it's nearly correctly displayed in my test terminal, which is a laptop (some extrange color points appear), and translated most of the messages to Spanish (but I'll try to give you all in english don't be afraid :-). Cheers, Edulix. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 23 13:37:54 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:37:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice upgrade In-Reply-To: <200404230457.i3N4vsl24441@d1o405.telia.com> References: <200404230457.i3N4vsl24441@d1o405.telia.com> Message-ID: With regard to the install error.....there is a bug in Fedora (depending on what version you have) that will produce that error. What I did (and it worked) is at the boot prompt just before beginning the install type linux = allowcddma and that allowed the install to progress just fine. George Bredberg writes: >Hi, > >i had a strange problem with one of my servers running k12ltsp. I >couldn't install the 4.01 but had to install 3.1.2 first and then do a >upgrade. Don't now what happened but while installing 4.01 the install >program said "not enough space" on the harddrive when it was supposed to >install packages. The other server I have worked without any hazzle, and >they both have a 36gb SCSI drive... I even tried to install with only >one big root partition but still "not enough space". > >Now I have a problem, because the upgraded box versus the straight 4.01 >installation saves the user files for OO in different places, and even >worse, when having used the upgraded servers OO (1.0X) and going back to >the fresh installed one opening OO (1.1.0) the startupscript traps in a >loop. Nomather what they try to start in OO, it only launches the >startupscript over and over again. That is fixed by deleting the >userfiles for oo. > >Now, becuase of that I whant to upgrade oo, at least in the upgraded >server. But the rpms dont seem to be the same.. I thought I could just >upgrade with a downloaded oo 1.1.1, but then it says the oo dont have >the same language (!) wich of course it has, and dont let me upgrade, >but instead doing another install beside the old one. > >Now (at last) its time for the question.. If I remove the oo packages >and install the fresch oo downloaded (*.tar.gz) will the oo still work >as supposed on the terminals? (that is, will the install script i >suppose u guys have provided still work?) > >Regards /George David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 23 13:42:06 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:42:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice In-Reply-To: <40884231.1050909@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40884231.1050909@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Terrell, Do you know if anyone has produced or hacked the scripts to allow the same setup process that OO has in K12LTSP? I don't want each user to be faced with an install thing upon first run....I'd like it to be just like it is now with OO....any ideas? Also do you know if the OO defaults script that sets the .doc format as the default in OO also works for Staroffice in this case? David "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I have done this on several versions of K12LTSP. It's the same as doing >it with any distro that already has OO.o on it, be it RHL 9, Fedora, >Mandrake, Slackware (yes, it's a manual install there, but pretty >simple), or otherwise. StarOffice is worth it, in my opinion, if you >need the extra input filters like the WordPerfect or WordStar >converters. Also, if you have a need to go with specifically the Adabas >database, then go w/ StarOffice. Personally, I find OpenOffice.org more >than sufficient, because I have yet to run into a WordPerfect or >WordStar document in a very long time. StarOffice and OpenOffice.org, >in my experience, seem to have the same quality to open MS >Word/Excel/PowerPoint files, and this is with embedded Visio diagrams >and such. > >--TP David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 23 13:59:08 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:59:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum specs for firewall/filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve! IPCop is good, but SME is more flexible and very easy as I showed you in Feb. The specs essentially depend on how many machines you'll be servicing. Since the SME box will also be a proxy server you'll want fast HD's in there...nothing slower than 7200 RPM. The faster you can spin the faster you can serve up the data. Processor for the most part is a non-issue. Get a run of the mill processor such as a higher-end Celeron or a P4....even AMD. Put in one or two HD's....not too big.....40 gb or 80 gb should be way more than enough. Put in some RAM (I tend to load up on RAM even if I don't need it so that I have options with using the server for something else in the future)....I run a gig of RAM in mine. I serve nearly 300 machines with a Pentium 3 with 80 gb 7200 RPM drive and a gig of RAM. This machine is my gateway/firewall/proxy/router/DNS/DHCP/DansGuardian filter all rolled into one and it does a phenomenal job! Using the dungog modules makes the whole thing a snap to operate and configure from anywhere. The nice thing is that it's very fast to set up.....I think Joe told me he was down to 18 minutes from bare metal....and that's normal....I've had it down to 16 minutes, but I had practiced a lot :-) Very easy to duplicate and lately I have been setting them up for people remotely from where I sit....all they do is load the CD and run the install.....then they give me temporary ssh access and I configure the rest. SME also has an awesome and very easy to install SpamAssassin and ClamAV (anti-virus) set up that is a breeze to set up and run...and you can run it in conjunction with your FirstClass server.....It does a fantastic job of screening spam and virus scanning. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >We're hoping to replace our firewall/filtering solutions with an SME >server. Could someone recommend the minimum specs for an SME server >used only as a firewall and filtering server. >Thanks! >Steve > >Steve Kossakoski, Ph.D. >Assistant Superintendent, Technology >SAU 16 24 Front Street Exeter, NH 03833 >Ph: 603-775-8678 Fax: 603-775-8673 >http://www.sau16.org >http://www.spdc.org David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Apr 23 14:02:39 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:02:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice In-Reply-To: References: <40884231.1050909@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You could just copy a default version of the personal config files into every home directory. something like this at a shell prompt.(not sure about the syntax) for all dir in /home; do cp -R .soffice /home/'$dir'/; done; You may need to change ownership of the files too On Apr 23, 2004, at 8:42 AM, David Trask wrote: > Terrell, > > Do you know if anyone has produced or hacked the scripts to allow the > same > setup process that OO has in K12LTSP? I don't want each user to be > faced > with an install thing upon first run....I'd like it to be just like it > is > now with OO....any ideas? Also do you know if the OO defaults script > that > sets the .doc format as the default in OO also works for Staroffice in > this case? > > David > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: >> I have done this on several versions of K12LTSP. It's the same as >> doing >> it with any distro that already has OO.o on it, be it RHL 9, Fedora, >> Mandrake, Slackware (yes, it's a manual install there, but pretty >> simple), or otherwise. StarOffice is worth it, in my opinion, if you >> need the extra input filters like the WordPerfect or WordStar >> converters. Also, if you have a need to go with specifically the >> Adabas >> database, then go w/ StarOffice. Personally, I find OpenOffice.org >> more >> than sufficient, because I have yet to run into a WordPerfect or >> WordStar document in a very long time. StarOffice and OpenOffice.org, >> in my experience, seem to have the same quality to open MS >> Word/Excel/PowerPoint files, and this is with embedded Visio diagrams >> and such. >> >> --TP > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkCJIf8ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRS8QCaAoc0vm9qeaLa8SZuAq5Xgnhh a7gAn1SHSyU8aHfSn+cuMTzKvjia1/pM =F2dh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 23 14:37:27 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] About printing In-Reply-To: <40887E87.7040406@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, John P. Conlon wrote: > Our typing lab teacher would like to be able to hold documents sent to > print in the print que until she can check them for extra blank pages. > To accomplish this she wants to be able to open the documents in the > print que right there in the print que while logged in as either herself > or as root. Is this possible and if so how do I set it up for her. > This particular teacher is an appliance operator not a computer manipulator. Pat, this is not a requirement you want to fulfill. Since just about everything is printed in postscript, you are out of luck, as postscript is a horrible language to go into and look for stuff (come to think about it, it just horrible). The only sane way to do it, it to look at the documents *before* they are being sent to print. julius From LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us Fri Apr 23 14:40:07 2004 From: LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us (Larry Mateo) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:40:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice Message-ID: Steve: The school district for which I work has three K12LTSP servers. Two are running StarOffice 6.0 while the third has both 6.0 and 7; it being the test unit for StarOffice 7. Both versions were easy to install, and we have had no problems with the software. Keep in mind, though, that we are not using the software in a business setting; it's being used to teach elementary school students the concepts behind the various programs. I cannot, however, compare StarOffice with OpenOffice since I have no experience with OpenOffice. The installation consists of two steps: 1. A Server Installation, which puts the StarOffice files on the file server, and 2. A Workstation Installation, which copies specific files to each users personal folder on the server. This, of course, must be run for each user. Both steps are easy, and are fully explained within the Setup Guide on the StarOffice CD. The Workstation Installation can be automated by placing a few lines of code in the /etc/profile file and creating a response file, which contains installation parameters. There is a document called Installation with Response Files, but I'm not sure if that comes on the CD. The document for using response files with 6.0 is found at http://docs-pdf.sun.com/816-7523/816-7523.pdf. I have not searched for the 7 version, since I used the same response file for both versions. The response file we use for the StarOffice 6.0 automated installation, which I named so6r, looks like the following: *** BEGIN SO6R *** [Environment] InstallationMode = INSTALL_WORKSTATION InstallationType = WORKSTATION DestinationPath = /staroffice6.0 [Java] JavaSupport = none *** END SO6R *** The response file for the 7 automated installation, so7r, is similar except for the DestinationPath value. The code in /etc/profile is as follows: *** BEGIN /ETC/PROFILE CODE *** # 12-12-02 LM Added the following to automate the installation # of StarOffice 6.0 when a user first logs in or if # the ~/staroffice6.0 folder is missing or if the # ~/.sversionrc file is missing. if (! [ -e ~/staroffice6.0 ]) || (! [ -f ~/.sversionrc ]) then /usr/lib/staroffice6.0/setup -r:/usr/lib/staroffice6.0/so6r -debug fi *** END /ETC/PROFILE CODE *** Note: the -r parameter called from the setup executable is what runs the response file. The automated response causes the initial login to take about 30 seconds longer than usual, but it only runs once. Downsides: * I have not found a way to configure StarOffice parameters for specific users or groups automatically; though I really haven't had to, so I haven't researched it much. * After the initial installation, when the user first opens the various StarOffice applications, default and registration windows open, which the user has to close. These are more an annoyance than anything else. Larry Mateo Network Technician II Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us >>> skossakoski at sau16.org 04/22/04 01:32PM >>> Has anyone installed and configured StarOffice on a K12LTSP server, or would you recommend staying with OpenOffice? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 23 14:46:14 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:46:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] About printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082731574.2862.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 09:37, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > this is not a requirement you want to fulfill. Since just about > everything is printed in postscript, you are out of luck, as postscript is > a horrible language to go into and look for stuff (come to think about it, > it just horrible). The only sane way to do it, it to look at the documents > *before* they are being sent to print. julius Errr.... apt-get install gv gv postscript_file ... --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 23 15:00:59 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] About printing In-Reply-To: <1082731574.2862.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 09:37, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > this is not a requirement you want to fulfill. Since just about > > everything is printed in postscript, you are out of luck, as postscript is > > a horrible language to go into and look for stuff (come to think about it, > > it just horrible). The only sane way to do it, it to look at the documents > > *before* they are being sent to print. julius > > Errr.... > > apt-get install gv > gv postscript_file ... > Les, you really think it is a good idea to to use gv to look for blank pages (by visually scanning output?) and then converting the ps to something more editable, removing the blank pages, converting again for print, resubmitting the jobs ..... goodness gracious, what a perfect setup for a bored masochist. the woman wants to *look* at files. maybe she should be replaced by a small script? julius p.s. convering to / from ps tends to hit the processor hard. From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 23 15:18:46 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:18:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] About printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082733525.2862.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 10:00, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > gv postscript_file ... > > > you really think it is a good idea to to use gv to look for blank > pages (by visually scanning output?) and then converting the ps to > something more editable, removing the blank pages, converting again for > print, resubmitting the jobs ..... goodness gracious, what a perfect setup > for a bored masochist. the woman wants to *look* at files. maybe she > should be replaced by a small script? > julius > > p.s. convering to / from ps tends to hit the processor hard. Whether something is a good idea or not is a very different issue than whether it is technically possible or even difficult. Postscript is only marginally different from pdf format so viewing one makes as much sense as the other. You are right, of course, about replacing all possible repetitive jobs with a script. I remember doing something like that back in the day when blank pages were just form-feed characters or some number of linefeeds and a lot of software sent an extra blank page at the end of each job. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Fri Apr 23 15:25:37 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:25:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Calendar editing program? In-Reply-To: <001401c4264f$04f73c00$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <001401c4264f$04f73c00$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1082733937.24321.15.camel@crux> Hi Huck, "Danny's Draw Power Tools" for Open Office will do the trick. It's on ooomacros.org: http://www.ooomacros.org/user.php You'll download a zip file, all you need to do is extract it and then open the file "Danny's Draw PowerTools.sxd" and accept the macro run warning. Then click the "Calendar Maker" button in that document, and it will allow you to specify options for the calendar you want. It then creates a calendar page as another open office document. This new file can be embellished (or not) as you prefer. The other files in the archive are documentation. You'll also find on the same page at oomacros.org a "Calendar Daytimer Maker" he's written for making daytimer pages. -- Pat Healy On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 13:43, Huck wrote: > Yeah, those weren't really 'enhanceable' with graphics and pretty > clip-arts and stuff > student into the 'artistics' eye candy stuff...=) > > Me? I just need some squares with numbers in them =) > > --Huck > -- Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School 43-570 Phyllis Jackson Lane Palm Desert, CA 92260 760-862-4300 x2303 From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Fri Apr 23 16:21:30 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (Tanieth Bowers) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP Problems Solved In-Reply-To: <20040423160016.7B62A73D81@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040423162130.61466.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> For those out there that have had as much trouble installing K12LTSP as i'v had over the past week - getting the error. "Error transferring install image to hard drive - probably out of disk space" when installing. A simple "linux allowcddma" at boot prompt solved this. Also I found that when it asked for disk 2 and 3 I was better off inserting the disk - waiting for about ten seconds and then hitting the OK button. Otherwise the machine would just hang. Thanx Les. This link proved interesting too https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list.cgi?buglist=109462 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 23 17:11:02 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] About printing In-Reply-To: <1082733525.2862.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 10:00, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > gv postscript_file ... > > > > > you really think it is a good idea to to use gv to look for blank > > pages (by visually scanning output?) and then converting the ps to > > something more editable, removing the blank pages, converting again for > > print, resubmitting the jobs ..... goodness gracious, what a perfect setup > > for a bored masochist. the woman wants to *look* at files. maybe she > > should be replaced by a small script? > > julius > > > > p.s. convering to / from ps tends to hit the processor hard. > > Whether something is a good idea or not is a very different issue than > whether it is technically possible or even difficult. Postscript > is only marginally different from pdf format so viewing one makes > as much sense as the other. You are right, of course, about replacing > all possible repetitive jobs with a script. I remember doing something > like that back in the day when blank pages were just form-feed > characters or some number of linefeeds and a lot of software sent an > extra blank page at the end of each job. > Les, you make perfect sense when you make distinction between feasible and advisable. It is possible that i suffer form the "frustrated teacher syndrome" and give answers that go beyond the direct scope of the questions, but this one just seemed to cry for help. by the way, pdf is just as bad if not worth than ps, so is rtf. the reason: most printing people do deals with text, so the pretty page description stuff is just hindrance, and yes, i've been doing a lot of post-processing of print jobs - it is easier for me, since i have lots of control over format. julius From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 23 18:23:17 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:23:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Life Expectancy of Riverdale Labs Message-ID: <40895F15.7020606@inlandlakes.org> Paul Nelson, or anyone that is involved at Riverdale, I read that the Riverdale HS lab went online September of 2002. (That particular school has a great writeup on k12ltsp.org on how/when/why/etc) I'm curious how the hardware has been faring now that almost 2 school years have gone by... I guess I ask, because I'm not sure how to properly figure TCO with a k12ltsp lab... Theoretically, the thin clients will last forever. I have circa 1993 machines running just fine as thin clients, so the "forever" at least has a decade of age to back it. How has the school transitioned through the versions of K12LTSP? I don't remember what version was out in Sept 2002, but I'm sure it was no newer than version 2. Are you running version 4.0.1 on the same hardware? How does it compare performance-wise? Have you noticed less "maintenance" required for thin clients than regular computers? (no hard drives to fail, although that's not terribly common even in a "regular" lab) Do you have any comparative energy savings from using the thin clients and flat screens? I know they use less energy, but also you probably don't need to air-condition the labs either... I know that figure isn't specific to just you, and I could probably figure out the costs that it would save me -- but I'm trying to fill in any questions when I use you as a big example case. :) Thanks a million, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From csitech at davisny.edu Fri Apr 23 19:22:22 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park, ADCS) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:22:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting involved with K12 Documentation In-Reply-To: <1082663881.16822.61.camel@server.ltsp> References: <21452769.1082633777415.JavaMail.oracle@linares> <1082656714.2168.40.camel@localhost> <1082663881.16822.61.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1082748142.2149.18.camel@localhost> Thanks for the info. Is there anyway for me to get more involved in the k12 documentation? Not sure if you all need anymore help. But I'd be more than willing to help out if you all wanted/needed it. (NOTE:m I changed the subject since we're no longer talking about CD-ROM's, the original discussion is included below) -Calvin On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 15:58, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 10:58, Calvin Park, ADCS wrote: > > I agree that CDROM access in the terminals would be a big improvement. > > That is one point that our school here has been a little disappointed > > about. Currently it's not supported, short of rebuilding the kernel (at > > least to my knowledge). > > > > So, can any of the devel guys help us with an answer to this? Is CDROM > > support planned in the next release? > > Yes, improvements in removable media are expected for LTSP 4.1. I'm not > sure of the current status, I'll be looking at this next week. > > > Also, one last question that's a little unrelated. Is there a k12LTSP > > documentation project anywhere? > > > http://k12ltsp.org > http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ > > -Eric > > > Thanks all! > > -Calvin > > > > On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 07:36, Eduardo Robles Elvira wrote: > > > El Jueves, 22 de Abril de 2004 08:29, George Bredberg escribi??: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have two ltsp-servers, 4.01 serving 9 and 12 terminals each in our > > > > school. Now there are a lot of people asking for access to the CD:s in > > > > the terminals. I have tried to search for how to do this but I have > > > > only found one note for an older version accessing CD:s via the ftp > > > > protocoll.. Is there some straightforward (for the students at least..) > > > > way to do this? I would wery much apreciate if someone could point me > > > > in the right direction. > > > > > > > > Regards /George > > > > > > Hi George! > > > > > > I've dealing with this although I haven't finnished yet as my project of using K12LTSP in the school have been stopped. Anyway I only need to finninish some things in order to get all done, and then I'll create a howto: > > > > > > I've already have success accessing to CD in the terminals. You only need to: > > > > > > 1. Rebuild the terminal's kernel with supermount module support > > > 2. Install lufs in the terminal's root (/opt/ltsp/i386) > > > 3. using a combination of lufsmount and supermount, you sucess! > > > > > > I think it's not needed, but I used SSH in order to the be secure :). All of this thanks to Andres Toomsalu's LDA howto (http://smtp.active.ee/download/ltsp4_lda_v0.2.tar.gz). > > > > > > This way, you can access even to usb devices, and to local partitions, but I still couldn't read audio cds. That's anoying, thus, I'm still trying to use ENBD (Enhanced NBD) to do that. I feel that I have already installed, and my problems are about the enbd command's options.. > > > > > > If you need help with anythink, ask me and I'll try to do it at my best =). > > > > > > I think in the next K12LTSP version (4.1 anyone?) could be included: ssh + lda + supermount. This would be a real improvement and it would save many time to us. CDroms in the terminals is a fact. Let's use it. And we could even try to autdetect every device whn it's added, then we supermount it. What do you think K12LTSP developers ? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Edulix. > > > > > > -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 23 19:40:23 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? Message-ID: Dear Folks, I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is robust enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory on a pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 23 19:48:54 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:48:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40897326.7040902@cfl.rr.com> Well, i suppose you could use a PC and IPCop or Smoothwall with two NIC's, but a much smaller footprint and lower power consumption option might be wiser, just make sure you buy two of the same type VPN-endpoint routers for each end to ensure interoperability. I use the 2XW, but there's other decent one's out there: http://www.us.zyxel.com/products/categoryCompare.php?indexFlagvalue=1021873683 Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >Dear Folks, > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. >I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is robust >enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory on a >pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 23 20:02:15 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:02:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082750535.10986.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 14:40, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. > I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is robust > enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory on a > pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius Redhat/fedora/k12ltsp has CIPE built in so you can configure it with the redhat-configure-network GUI. It runs over UDP and doesn't object to going through NAT on the way. It probably isn't the most secure choice but unless you are a bank it should be good enough. If you aren't starting with a machine with CIPE included, I'd look at openvpn first. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dloomis at cox-internet.com Fri Apr 23 21:10:37 2004 From: dloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:10:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CDROM from server In-Reply-To: <20040423025507.C0AF373284@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040423025507.C0AF373284@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1082754637.3364.9.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> A fairly simple way to implement a cdrom server can be found in the archives at Linuxjournal (It is based on the cdserver howto at tldp.org). http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5639 CDROMs are copied into a directory as iso files and mounted using the -o loop. The article also explains how to set up the volumes using automount. A second directory is needed to allow browsing to work with automount. I followed the procedure fairly closely and it works well for us, including the automount. We use it to run Windows programs in our Sunday School lab which use WindowsXP computers. They access the LTSP server via ethernet. Thin client terminals can access them as well, but the windows software is a problem (Wine works on some, but not all). Dan Loomis FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH El Dorado, AR From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 23 20:26:00 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: <1082750535.10986.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 14:40, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > Dear Folks, > > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. > > I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is robust > > enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory on a > > pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius > > Redhat/fedora/k12ltsp has CIPE built in so you can configure it > with the redhat-configure-network GUI. It runs over UDP and > doesn't object to going through NAT on the way. It probably > isn't the most secure choice but unless you are a bank it > should be good enough. If you aren't starting with a machine > with CIPE included, I'd look at openvpn first. > Les, I can actually use light-weight k12 server for remote end and a spare k12 server for hq end - cipe is obviously included. my problem with cipe is the documentation. it is rather verbose in obvious places and very sparse in non-obvious. The description of server end seems to translate into "and the magic happens here". the docs for openvpn are a bit scary. perhaps i just need to plug away at cipe. thanks, julius From comunidad20032001 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 23 20:47:10 2004 From: comunidad20032001 at yahoo.com (julio ramirez) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 92 In-Reply-To: <20040423202538.7E87073505@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040423204710.39255.qmail@web41705.mail.yahoo.com> hi does anybody knows how or where to get a universal boot floppy ) to start my ltsp computer thank you juan============================================ ================= = k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to k12osn at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to k12osn-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at k12osn-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Installing K12LTSP Problems Solved (Tanieth Bowers) 2. Re: About printing (Julius Szelagiewicz) 3. Life Expectancy of Riverdale Labs (Shawn Powers) 4. Getting involved with K12 Documentation (Calvin Park, ADCS) 5. easy VPN? (Julius Szelagiewicz) 6. Re: easy VPN? (Brian Chase) 7. Re: easy VPN? (Les Mikesell) 8. CDROM from server (Daniel Loomis) 9. Re: easy VPN? (Julius Szelagiewicz) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:21:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tanieth Bowers Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP Problems Solved To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <20040423162130.61466.qmail at web40408.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those out there that have had as much trouble installing K12LTSP as i'v had over the past week - getting the error. "Error transferring install image to hard drive - probably out of disk space" when installing. A simple "linux allowcddma" at boot prompt solved this. Also I found that when it asked for disk 2 and 3 I was better off inserting the disk - waiting for about ten seconds and then hitting the OK button. Otherwise the machine would just hang. Thanx Les. This link proved interesting too https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list.cgi?buglist=109462 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Julius Szelagiewicz Subject: Re: [K12OSN] About printing To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 10:00, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > gv postscript_file ... > > > > > you really think it is a good idea to to use gv to look for blank > > pages (by visually scanning output?) and then converting the ps to > > something more editable, removing the blank pages, converting again for > > print, resubmitting the jobs ..... goodness gracious, what a perfect setup > > for a bored masochist. the woman wants to *look* at files. maybe she > > should be replaced by a small script? > > julius > > > > p.s. convering to / from ps tends to hit the processor hard. > > Whether something is a good idea or not is a very different issue than > whether it is technically possible or even difficult. Postscript > is only marginally different from pdf format so viewing one makes > as much sense as the other. You are right, of course, about replacing > all possible repetitive jobs with a script. I remember doing something > like that back in the day when blank pages were just form-feed > characters or some number of linefeeds and a lot of software sent an > extra blank page at the end of each job. > Les, you make perfect sense when you make distinction between feasible and advisable. It is possible that i suffer form the "frustrated teacher syndrome" and give answers that go beyond the direct scope of the questions, but this one just seemed to cry for help. by the way, pdf is just as bad if not worth than ps, so is rtf. the reason: most printing people do deals with text, so the pretty page description stuff is just hindrance, and yes, i've been doing a lot of post-processing of print jobs - it is easier for me, since i have lots of control over format. julius ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:23:17 -0400 From: Shawn Powers Subject: [K12OSN] Life Expectancy of Riverdale Labs To: "k12osn at redhat.com" Message-ID: <40895F15.7020606 at inlandlakes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Paul Nelson, or anyone that is involved at Riverdale, I read that the Riverdale HS lab went online September of 2002. (That particular school has a great writeup on k12ltsp.org on how/when/why/etc) I'm curious how the hardware has been faring now that almost 2 school years have gone by... I guess I ask, because I'm not sure how to properly figure TCO with a k12ltsp lab... Theoretically, the thin clients will last forever. I have circa 1993 machines running just fine as thin clients, so the "forever" at least has a decade of age to back it. How has the school transitioned through the versions of K12LTSP? I don't remember what version was out in Sept 2002, but I'm sure it was no newer than version 2. Are you running version 4.0.1 on the same hardware? How does it compare performance-wise? Have you noticed less "maintenance" required for thin clients than regular computers? (no hard drives to fail, although that's not terribly common even in a "regular" lab) Do you have any comparative energy savings from using the thin clients and flat screens? I know they use less energy, but also you probably don't need to air-condition the labs either... I know that figure isn't specific to just you, and I could probably figure out the costs that it would save me -- but I'm trying to fill in any questions when I use you as a big example case. :) Thanks a million, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:22:22 -0400 From: "Calvin Park, ADCS" Subject: [K12OSN] Getting involved with K12 Documentation To: Eric Harrison Cc: "Support list for opensource software in schools." , K12 Devel Message-ID: <1082748142.2149.18.camel at localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks for the info. Is there anyway for me to get more involved in the k12 documentation? Not sure if you all need anymore help. But I'd be more than willing to help out if you all wanted/needed it. (NOTE:m I changed the subject since we're no longer talking about CD-ROM's, the original discussion is included below) -Calvin On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 15:58, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 10:58, Calvin Park, ADCS wrote: > > I agree that CDROM access in the terminals would be a big improvement. > > That is one point that our school here has been a little disappointed > > about. Currently it's not supported, short of rebuilding the kernel (at > > least to my knowledge). > > > > So, can any of the devel guys help us with an answer to this? Is CDROM > > support planned in the next release? > > Yes, improvements in removable media are expected for LTSP 4.1. I'm not > sure of the current status, I'll be looking at this next week. > > > Also, one last question that's a little unrelated. Is there a k12LTSP > > documentation project anywhere? > > > http://k12ltsp.org > http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ > > -Eric > > > Thanks all! > > -Calvin > > > > On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 07:36, Eduardo Robles Elvira wrote: > > > El Jueves, 22 de Abril de 2004 08:29, George Bredberg escribi??: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have two ltsp-servers, 4.01 serving 9 and 12 terminals each in our > > > > school. Now there are a lot of people asking for access to the CD:s in > > > > the terminals. I have tried to search for how to do this but I have > > > > only found one note for an older version accessing CD:s via the ftp > > > > protocoll.. Is there some straightforward (for the students at least..) > > > > way to do this? I would wery much apreciate if someone could point me > > > > in the right direction. > > > > > > > > Regards /George > > > > > > Hi George! > > > > > > I've dealing with this although I haven't finnished yet as my project of using K12LTSP in the school have been stopped. Anyway I only need to finninish some things in order to get all done, and then I'll create a howto: > > > > > > I've already have success accessing to CD in the terminals. You only need to: > > > > > > 1. Rebuild the terminal's kernel with supermount module support > > > 2. Install lufs in the terminal's root (/opt/ltsp/i386) > > > 3. using a combination of lufsmount and supermount, you sucess! > > > > > > I think it's not needed, but I used SSH in order to the be secure :). All of this thanks to Andres Toomsalu's LDA howto (http://smtp.active.ee/download/ltsp4_lda_v0.2.tar.gz). > > > > > > This way, you can access even to usb devices, and to local partitions, but I still couldn't read audio cds. That's anoying, thus, I'm still trying to use ENBD (Enhanced NBD) to do that. I feel that I have already installed, and my problems are about the enbd command's options.. > > > > > > If you need help with anythink, ask me and I'll try to do it at my best =). > > > > > > I think in the next K12LTSP version (4.1 anyone?) could be included: ssh + lda + supermount. This would be a real improvement and it would save many time to us. CDroms in the terminals is a fact. Let's use it. And we could even try to autdetect every device whn it's added, then we supermount it. What do you think K12LTSP developers ? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Edulix. > > > > > > -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Julius Szelagiewicz Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Folks, I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is robust enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory on a pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:48:54 -0400 From: Brian Chase Subject: Re: [K12OSN] easy VPN? To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <40897326.7040902 at cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well, i suppose you could use a PC and IPCop or Smoothwall with two NIC's, but a much smaller footprint and lower power consumption option might be wiser, just make sure you buy two of the same type VPN-endpoint routers for each end to ensure interoperability. I use the 2XW, but there's other decent one's out there: http://www.us.zyxel.com/products/categoryCompare.php?indexFlagvalue=1021873683 Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >Dear Folks, > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. >I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is robust >enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory on a >pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:02:15 -0500 From: Les Mikesell Subject: Re: [K12OSN] easy VPN? To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <1082750535.10986.3.camel at moola.futuresource.com> Content-Type: text/plain On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 14:40, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. > I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is robust > enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory on a > pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius Redhat/fedora/k12ltsp has CIPE built in so you can configure it with the redhat-configure-network GUI. It runs over UDP and doesn't object to going through NAT on the way. It probably isn't the most secure choice but unless you are a bank it should be good enough. If you aren't starting with a machine with CIPE included, I'd look at openvpn first. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:10:37 -0500 From: Daniel Loomis Subject: [K12OSN] CDROM from server To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <1082754637.3364.9.camel at harpo.curmudgeon.not> Content-Type: text/plain A fairly simple way to implement a cdrom server can be found in the archives at Linuxjournal (It is based on the cdserver howto at tldp.org). http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5639 CDROMs are copied into a directory as iso files and mounted using the -o loop. The article also explains how to set up the volumes using automount. A second directory is needed to allow browsing to work with automount. I followed the procedure fairly closely and it works well for us, including the automount. We use it to run Windows programs in our Sunday School lab which use WindowsXP computers. They access the LTSP server via ethernet. Thin client terminals can access them as well, but the windows software is a problem (Wine works on some, but not all). Dan Loomis FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH El Dorado, AR ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Julius Szelagiewicz Subject: Re: [K12OSN] easy VPN? To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 14:40, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > Dear Folks, > > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. > > I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is robust > > enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory on a > > pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius > > Redhat/fedora/k12ltsp has CIPE built in so you can configure it > with the redhat-configure-network GUI. It runs over UDP and > doesn't object to going through NAT on the way. It probably > isn't the most secure choice but unless you are a bank it > should be good enough. If you aren't starting with a machine > with CIPE included, I'd look at openvpn first. > Les, I can actually use light-weight k12 server for remote end and a spare k12 server for hq end - cipe is obviously included. my problem with cipe is the documentation. it is rather verbose in obvious places and very sparse in non-obvious. The description of server end seems to translate into "and the magic happens here". the docs for openvpn are a bit scary. perhaps i just need to plug away at cipe. thanks, julius ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 92 ************************************* --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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URL: From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 23 21:11:45 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:11:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] universal boot floppy In-Reply-To: <20040423204710.39255.qmail@web41705.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040423204710.39255.qmail@web41705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40898691.4050102@cfl.rr.com> http://www.rom-o-matic.net/5.2.4/ julio ramirez wrote: > hi > does anybody knows how or where to get a universal boot floppy ) to > start my ltsp computer > > thank you > juan============================================ > ================= > = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to > k12osn at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > k12osn-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > k12osn-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Installing K12LTSP Problems Solved (Tanieth Bowers) > 2. Re: About printing (Julius Szelagiewicz) > 3. Life Expectancy of Riverdale Labs (Shawn Powers) > 4. Getting involved with K12 Documentation (Calvin Park, ADCS) > 5. easy VPN? (Julius Szelagiewicz) > 6. Re: easy VPN? (Brian Chase) > 7. Re: easy VPN? (Les Mikesell) > 8. CDROM from server (Daniel Loomis) > 9. Re: easy VP! N? (Julius Szelagiewicz) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:21:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tanieth Bowers > Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP Problems Solved > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20040423162130.61466.qmail at web40408.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > For those out there that have had as much trouble > installing K12LTSP as i'v had over the past week - > getting the error. "Error transferring install image > to hard drive - probably out of disk > space" when installing. A simple "linux allowcddma" at > boot prompt solved this. Also I found that when it > asked for disk 2 and 3 I was better off inserting the > disk - waiting for about ten seconds and then hitting > the OK button. Otherwise the machine would just hang. > > Thanx Les. > This link proved interesting too > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list.cgi?buglist=109462 > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT) > From: Julius Szelagiewicz > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] About printing > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 10:00, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > > gv postscript_file ... > > > > > > > you really think it is a good idea to to use gv to look for blank > > > pages (by visually scanning output?) and then convert! ing the > ps to > > > something more editable, removing the blank pages, converting > again for > > > print, resubmitting the jobs ..... goodness gracious, what a > perfect setup > > > for a bored masochist. the woman wants to *look* at files. > maybe she > > > should be replaced by a small script? > > > julius > > > > > > p.s. convering to / from ps tends to hit the processor hard. > > > > Whether something is a good idea or not is a very different > issue than > > whether it is technically possible or even difficult. Postscript > > is only marginally different from pdf format so viewing one makes > > as much sense as the other. You are right, of course, about > replacing > > all possible repetitive jobs with a script. I remember doing > something > > like that back in the day when blank pages were just form-feed > > characters or some number of linefeeds and a lot of software sent an > > extra blank page at th! e end of each job. > > > Les, > you make perfect sense when you make distinction between feasible > and advisable. It is possible that i suffer form the "frustrated > teacher > syndrome" and give answers that go beyond the direct scope of the > questions, but this one just seemed to cry for help. > by the way, pdf is just as bad if not worth than ps, so is rtf. > the reason: most printing people do deals with text, so the pretty > page > description stuff is just hindrance, and yes, i've been doing a lot of > post-processing of print jobs - it is easier for me, since i have > lots of > control over format. julius > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:23:17 -0400 > From: Shawn Powers > Subject: [K12OSN] Life Expectancy of Riverdale Labs > To: "k12osn at redhat.com" > Message-ID: <40895F15.7020606 at inlandlakes.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Paul Nelson, or anyone that is involved at Riverdale, > > I read that the Riverdale HS lab went online September of 2002. (That > particular school has a great writeup on k12ltsp.org on > how/when/why/etc) I'm curious how the hardware has been faring now > that > almost 2 school years have gone by... > > I guess I ask, because I'm not sure how to properly figure TCO with a > k12ltsp lab... Theoretically, the thin clients will last forever. I > have circa 1993 machines running just fine as thin clients, so the > "forever" at least has a decade of age to back it. > > How has the school transitioned through the versions of K12LTSP? I > don't remember what version was out in Sept 2002, but I'm sure it > was no > newer than version 2. Are you running version 4.0.1 on the same > hardware? How does it compare performance-wise? > > Have you noticed less "maintenance" required for thin clients than > regular computers? (no hard drives! to fail, although that's not > terribly common even in a "regular" lab) > > Do you have any comparative energy savings from using the thin > clients > and flat screens? I know they use less energy, but also you probably > don't need to air-condition the labs either... I know that figure > isn't > specific to just you, and I could probably figure out the costs > that it > would save me -- but I'm trying to fill in any questions when I > use you > as a big example case. :) > > Thanks a million, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:22:22 -0400 > From: "Calvin Park, ADCS" > Subject: [K12OSN] Getting involved with K12 Documentation > To: Eric Harrison > Cc: "Support! list for opensource software in schools." > , K12 Devel > Message-ID: <1082748142.2149.18.camel at localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Thanks for the info. Is there anyway for me to get more involved > in the > k12 documentation? Not sure if you all need anymore help. But I'd be > more than willing to help out if you all wanted/needed it. (NOTE:m I > changed the subject since we're no longer talking about CD-ROM's, the > original discussion is included below) > > -Calvin > > On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 15:58, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 10:58, Calvin Park, ADCS wrote: > > > I agree that CDROM access in the terminals would be a big > improvement. > > > That is one point that our school here has been a little > disappointed > > > about. Currently it's not supported, short of rebuilding the > kernel (at > > > least to my knowledge). > > > > ! > > So, can any of the devel guys help us with an answer to > this? Is CDROM > > > support planned in the next release? > > > > Yes, improvements in removable media are expected for LTSP 4.1. > I'm not > > sure of the current status, I'll be looking at this next week. > > > > > Also, one last question that's a little unrelated. Is there a > k12LTSP > > > documentation project anywhere? > > > > > > http://k12ltsp.org > > http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ > > > > -Eric > > > > > Thanks all! > > > -Calvin > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 07:36, Eduardo Robles Elvira wrote: > > > > El Jueves, 22 de Abril de 2004 08:29, George Bredberg escribi??: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I have two ltsp-servers, 4.01 serving 9 and 12 terminals > each in our > > > > > school. Now there are a lot of people asking for access to > the CD:s in > >! > > > the terminals. I have tried to search for how to do this > but I have > > > > > only found one note for an older version accessing CD:s > via the ftp > > > > > protocoll.. Is there some straightforward (for the > students at least..) > > > > > way to do this? I would wery much apreciate if someone > could point me > > > > > in the right direction. > > > > > > > > > > Regards /George > > > > > > > > Hi George! > > > > > > > > I've dealing with this although I haven't finnished yet as > my project of using K12LTSP in the school have been stopped. > Anyway I only need to finninish some things in order to get all > done, and then I'll create a howto: > > > > > > > > I've already have success accessing to CD in the terminals. > You only need to: > > > > > > > > 1. Rebuild the terminal's kernel with supermount module > support> > > 2. Install lufs in the terminal's root (/opt/ltsp/i386) > > > > 3. using a combination of lufsmount and supermount, you sucess! > > > > > > > > I think it's not needed, but I used SSH in order to the be > secure :). All of this thanks to Andres Toomsalu's LDA howto > (http://smtp.active.ee/download/ltsp4_lda_v0.2.tar.gz). > > > > > > > > This way, you can access even to usb devices, and to local > partitions, but I still couldn't read audio cds. That's anoying, > thus, I'm still trying to use ENBD (Enhanced NBD) to do that. I > feel that I have already installed, and my problems are about the > enbd command's options.. > > > > > > > > If you need help with anythink, ask me and I'll try to do it > at my best =). > > > > > > > > I think in the next K12LTSP version (4.1 anyone?) could be > included: ssh + lda + supermount. This would be a real improvement > and it would save many time to us. ! CDroms in the terminals is a > fact. Let's use it. And we could even try to autdetect every > device whn it's added, then we supermount it. What do you think > K12LTSP developers ? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Edulix. > > > > > > > > > -- > Calvin Park > Associate Director of Computer Services > Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and Ministry > > web: www.davisny.edu > email: csitech at davisny.edu > phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) > From: Julius Szelagiewicz > Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Dear Folks, > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. > I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is > robust > enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory > on a > pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:48:54 -0400 > From: Brian Chase > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] easy VPN? > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <40897326.7040902 at cfl.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Well, i suppose you could use a PC and IPCop or Smoothwall with two > NIC's, but a much smaller footprint and lower power consumption > option > might be wiser, just make sure you buy two of the same type > VPN-endpoint > routers for each end to ensure interoperability. > > I use the 2XW, but there's other decent one's out there: > > > http://www.us.zyxel.com/products/categoryCompare.php?indexFlagvalue=1021873683 > > Julius Szela! giewicz wrote: > > >Dear Folks, > > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. > >I need something that is easy to install and configure and that > is robust > >enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote > directory on a > >pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:02:15 -0500 > From: Les Mikesell > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] easy VPN? > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1082750535.10986.3.camel at moola.futuresource.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 14:40, Juli! us Szelagiewicz wrote: > > Dear Folks, > > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. > > I need something that is easy to install and configure and that > is robust > > enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote > directory on a > > pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius > > Redhat/fedora/k12ltsp has CIPE built in so you can configure it > with the redhat-configure-network GUI. It runs over UDP and > doesn't object to going through NAT on the way. It probably > isn't the most secure choice but unless you are a bank it > should be good enough. If you aren't starting with a machine > with CIPE included, I'd look at openvpn first. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:10:37 -0500 > From: Daniel Loomis > Subject: [K12OSN] CDROM from server > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1082754637.3364.9.camel at harpo.curmudgeon.not> > Content-Type: text/plain > > A fairly simple way to implement a cdrom server can be found in the > archives at Linuxjournal (It is based on the cdserver howto at > tldp.org). > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5639 > > CDROMs are copied into a directory as iso files and mounted using > the -o > loop. The article also explains how to set up the volumes using > automount. A second directory is needed to allow browsing to work with > automount. > > I followed the procedure fairly closely and it works well for us, > including the automount. > > We use it to run Windows programs in our Sunday School lab which use > WindowsXP computers. They access the LTSP server via ethernet. Thin > client terminals can access them as well, but the windows software > is a > problem (Wine works on some, but not all). > > Dan Loomis > FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH > El Dor! ado, AR > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT) > From: Julius Szelagiewicz > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] easy VPN? > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 14:40, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > Dear Folks, > > > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. > > > I need something that is easy to install and configure and > that is robust > > > enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote > directory on a > > > pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius > > > > Redhat/fedora/k12ltsp has CIPE built in so you can configure it > > with the redhat-configure-network GUI. It runs over UDP and > > doesn't object to going through NAT on the way. It probably > > isn't the most secure choice but unless you are a bank it > > should be good enough. If you aren't starting with a machine > > with CIPE included, I'd look at openvpn first. > > > Les, > I can actually use light-weight k12 server for remote end and a > spare k12 server for hq end - cipe is obviously included. my > problem with > cipe is the documentation. it is rather verbose in obvious places > and very > sparse in non-obvious. The description of server end seems to > translate > into "and the magic happens here". the docs for openvpn are a bit > scary. > perhaps i just need to plug away at cipe. thanks, julius > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > End of K12OSN Digest! , Vol 2, Issue 92 > ************************************* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From klaus at astro.uio.no Fri Apr 23 21:39:53 2004 From: klaus at astro.uio.no (Klaus Ade Johnstad) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:39:53 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 92 In-Reply-To: <20040423204710.39255.qmail@web41705.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040423204710.39255.qmail@web41705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200404232339.53810.klaus@astro.uio.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 fredag 23. april 2004, 22:47, skrev julio ramirez: > hi > does anybody knows how or where to get a universal boot floppy ) to > start my ltsp computer > thank you > juan============================================ > ================= > = http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&release_id=200769 http://archives.inocrea.co.id/base/thinstation/universal-boot-disk/ - -- Klaus http://www.holmlia.gs.oslo.no -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAiY0phJ+fXyb6R30RArzcAKCW4U24/Np0N3YXG8OfZDUe/C6bnQCgjZlS ujG0VjXbV45mnxkOkh9P1mo= =yKUZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 23 21:53:11 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082757190.10986.24.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 15:26, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > I can actually use light-weight k12 server for remote end and a > spare k12 server for hq end - cipe is obviously included. my problem with > cipe is the documentation. it is rather verbose in obvious places and very > sparse in non-obvious. The description of server end seems to translate > into "and the magic happens here". the docs for openvpn are a bit scary. > perhaps i just need to plug away at cipe. thanks, julius I've used it for years to back up and sometimes replace frame relay connections and it's one of those rare things that 'just works' once you get about 6 entries right. I started using it before RedHat added the GUI so most of mine are hand-configured in the options file and a lot of the endpoints are SME boxes where you have also have to tweak the firewall rules, but I do have a box at home where I used the GUI. You basically pick two network addresses for the CIPE interface endpoints (they can be arbitrary but I always use the 2 usable addresses of a 4-host subnet just like it was a real WAN interface) and give it the remote (real) address and UDP port for the tunnel packets. If you have trouble, I can look at the box at home and verify which address goes where. You also have to set up routing the same way you would if it were a real WAN link. It works best if you run it on a box that is also your default gateway to the internet but other ways can work if you add routes or run zebra (now quagga) with some routing protocol. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at telus.net Fri Apr 23 21:55:24 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:55:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla permissions In-Reply-To: <1082673360.26741.9.camel@jack.palmadesso.net> References: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> <1082673360.26741.9.camel@jack.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <200404231455.24588.robark@telus.net> I also have problems with students browsing the net and not getting work done. I thought about changing the rights to mozilla but what about konqueror? They need it for a file browser in KDE so they need rights to it. I was wondering if there was some kind of command to disable or turn off the NIC that is connected to the external network? Physically unplugging the cable seems like a kludge especially if the server is in another room. Robert On Thursday 22 April 2004 3:36 pm, Jack wrote: > I had to to this with the instant messanger awhile back. To find out > where any binary file is do a which. > > [root at server root]# which mozilla > /usr/bin/mozilla <------------------thats your executable > > checking permissions shows root user and root groups owns this object > [root at server root]# ls -al /usr/bin/mozilla > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5955 Nov 15 01:29 /usr/bin/mozilla > > to make it unavailable to users do chmod > > chmod 770 /usr/bin/mozilla > > That should take care of them but it will affect everyone. This is just > a quick fix. A more elegant solution would be to create a group called > internet and place users who should be able to access the net in that > group. Then change the ownership of the mozilla executable to be owned > by the internet group. Once that is done you can take or give away > internet access by placing users in the internet group. Hope that > helps. > > Jack > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 23 22:08:54 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:08:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla permissions In-Reply-To: <200404231455.24588.robark@telus.net> References: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> <1082673360.26741.9.camel@jack.palmadesso.net> <200404231455.24588.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <408993F6.2070809@cfl.rr.com> Try using squid proxy server Robert Arkiletian wrote: >I also have problems with students browsing the net and not getting work done. >I thought about changing the rights to mozilla but what about konqueror? They >need it for a file browser in KDE so they need rights to it. I was wondering >if there was some kind of command to disable or turn off the NIC that is >connected to the external network? Physically unplugging the cable seems like >a kludge especially if the server is in another room. > >Robert > >On Thursday 22 April 2004 3:36 pm, Jack wrote: > > >>I had to to this with the instant messanger awhile back. To find out >>where any binary file is do a which. >> >>[root at server root]# which mozilla >>/usr/bin/mozilla <------------------thats your executable >> >>checking permissions shows root user and root groups owns this object >>[root at server root]# ls -al /usr/bin/mozilla >>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5955 Nov 15 01:29 /usr/bin/mozilla >> >>to make it unavailable to users do chmod >> >>chmod 770 /usr/bin/mozilla >> >>That should take care of them but it will affect everyone. This is just >>a quick fix. A more elegant solution would be to create a group called >>internet and place users who should be able to access the net in that >>group. Then change the ownership of the mozilla executable to be owned >>by the internet group. Once that is done you can take or give away >>internet access by placing users in the internet group. Hope that >>helps. >> >>Jack >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 23 22:10:15 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:10:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla permissions In-Reply-To: <200404231455.24588.robark@telus.net> References: <40887D6F.2030104@elp.rr.com> <1082673360.26741.9.camel@jack.palmadesso.net> <200404231455.24588.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <1082758215.10986.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 16:55, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I also have problems with students browsing the net and not getting work done. > I thought about changing the rights to mozilla but what about konqueror? They > need it for a file browser in KDE so they need rights to it. I was wondering > if there was some kind of command to disable or turn off the NIC that is > connected to the external network? Physically unplugging the cable seems like > a kludge especially if the server is in another room. The redhat-configure-network GUI has enable/disable buttons for each interface. From the command line it is: ifdown interface ifup interface Where interface will be eth0 or eth1, whichever goes to the external side. Those are RedHat-specific scripts that will pick up a dhcp address, add routes, or whatever else might be configured. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Apr 23 22:59:41 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:59:41 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? Message-ID: <042320042259.10401.40899FDD000458BC000028A12200751150FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> OK, does this have to be Linux based? A couple of Netgear FVS318 units would solve this quickly. The units are about $100.00 each. If Linux, then why not create a ssh tunnel vpn between the two sites ? "Linux Server Hacks" by O'Reilly gives step by step instructions. Dave Hopkins > Dear Folks, > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. > I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is robust > enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory on a > pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Apr 23 23:18:13 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:18:13 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] USB access at terminals Message-ID: <042320042318.14207.4089A43500091F490000377F2200763704FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> USB Flash drives do work at the terminals by enabling USB support and then using MTools (at least with K12LTSP 3.1.2) There is a write up on the wiki that describes this. http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AStorage%3AUSB Also, http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/RonBaughman describes another method. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > I think the short answer is "not easily". Work is being done on accessing > remote devices like USB and CDROM, etc. See the postings from Eduardo Elvira, > aka edulix (including one today). He says he's got it working but doesn't have > a how-to written yet. It involves building a new kernel for the clients. > > Petre > > Justin Paulsen wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is it possible to access the local usb on the terminals? I am wondering > > about the use of usb devices such as usb flash drives, card readers and > > alike. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 23 23:51:41 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:51:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice In-Reply-To: References: <40884231.1050909@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4089AC0D.6060000@cmosnetworks.com> That, I haven't yet tried. I've done it across versions of OO.o, but not SO. Since SO is OO.o with additions, I'd figure it'd be the same. I just upgraded OO.o to 1.1.1, BTW, and so far, so good. Here's what I did in /usr/bin/ooffice (K12LTSP 3.1.2): *** BEGIN SNIP *** #OOVERSION=1.0.2 OOVERSIONRC="$HOME/.sversionrc" #OOHOME="$HOME/.openoffice" OOVERSION=1.1.1 OOHOME="$HOME/OpenOffice.org1.1.1" *** END SNIP *** You can see the before and after settings that I made here. I commented out the original OOVERSION and OOHOME settings and made new ones pointing to the new version. In your case, you might want to first try changing just the OOVERSION setting. --TP David Trask wrote: >Terrell, > >Do you know if anyone has produced or hacked the scripts to allow the same >setup process that OO has in K12LTSP? I don't want each user to be faced >with an install thing upon first run....I'd like it to be just like it is >now with OO....any ideas? Also do you know if the OO defaults script that >sets the .doc format as the default in OO also works for Staroffice in >this case? > >David > > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: > > >>I have done this on several versions of K12LTSP. It's the same as doing >>it with any distro that already has OO.o on it, be it RHL 9, Fedora, >>Mandrake, Slackware (yes, it's a manual install there, but pretty >>simple), or otherwise. StarOffice is worth it, in my opinion, if you >>need the extra input filters like the WordPerfect or WordStar >>converters. Also, if you have a need to go with specifically the Adabas >>database, then go w/ StarOffice. Personally, I find OpenOffice.org more >>than sufficient, because I have yet to run into a WordPerfect or >>WordStar document in a very long time. StarOffice and OpenOffice.org, >>in my experience, seem to have the same quality to open MS >>Word/Excel/PowerPoint files, and this is with embedded Visio diagrams >>and such. >> >>--TP >> >> From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sat Apr 24 02:34:40 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:34:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] About printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4089D240.1070909@elp.rr.com> Unfortunately this particular teacher doesn't know post script from post office so there is no intention to face her with any kind of script. We have descided that she will make them use the header function in the OO word processor and then she will dock their grade X number of points for each wasted page. Thanks for the thoughts though. Bye Pat Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > >>On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 09:37, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> >> >> >>> this is not a requirement you want to fulfill. Since just about >>>everything is printed in postscript, you are out of luck, as postscript is >>>a horrible language to go into and look for stuff (come to think about it, >>>it just horrible). The only sane way to do it, it to look at the documents >>>*before* they are being sent to print. julius >>> >>> >>Errr.... >> >>apt-get install gv >>gv postscript_file ... >> >> >> >Les, > you really think it is a good idea to to use gv to look for blank >pages (by visually scanning output?) and then converting the ps to >something more editable, removing the blank pages, converting again for >print, resubmitting the jobs ..... goodness gracious, what a perfect setup >for a bored masochist. the woman wants to *look* at files. maybe she >should be replaced by a small script? >julius > >p.s. convering to / from ps tends to hit the processor hard. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Sat Apr 24 14:58:34 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: <1082757190.10986.24.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 15:26, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > I can actually use light-weight k12 server for remote end and a > > spare k12 server for hq end - cipe is obviously included. my problem with > > cipe is the documentation. it is rather verbose in obvious places and very > > sparse in non-obvious. The description of server end seems to translate > > into "and the magic happens here". the docs for openvpn are a bit scary. > > perhaps i just need to plug away at cipe. thanks, julius > > I've used it for years to back up and sometimes replace frame relay > connections and it's one of those rare things that 'just works' once > you get about 6 entries right. I started using it before RedHat added > the GUI so most of mine are hand-configured in the options file and > a lot of the endpoints are SME boxes where you have also have to tweak > the firewall rules, but I do have a box at home where I used the > GUI. You basically pick two network addresses for the CIPE interface > endpoints (they can be arbitrary but I always use the 2 usable addresses > of a 4-host subnet just like it was a real WAN interface) and give it > the remote (real) address and UDP port for the tunnel packets. If > you have trouble, I can look at the box at home and verify which address > goes where. You also have to set up routing the same way you would if > it were a real WAN link. It works best if you run it on a box that > is also your default gateway to the internet but other ways can work > if you add routes or run zebra (now quagga) with some routing protocol. > Les, i didn't even think of gui, doh! The cipe device appears as a first selection under "add device". we'll see. first a bike ride and then work. will report. one additional question: how silly would it be to have single piece of equipment serving as both k12 and cipe vpn device for a small group of users. the network is T1 terminated by cisco 2170, natted with passthrough from public to private addresses. julius From julius at turtle.com Sat Apr 24 15:05:45 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: <042320042259.10401.40899FDD000458BC000028A12200751150FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > OK, does this have to be Linux based? A couple of Netgear FVS318 units would solve this quickly. The units are about $100.00 each. > > If Linux, then why not create a ssh tunnel vpn between the two sites ? "Linux Server Hacks" by O'Reilly gives step by step instructions. > > Dave Hopkins > > Dear Folks, > > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. > > I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is robust > > enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory on a > > pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius Dave, doesn't have to be linux, but i am installing servers in all locations, so the equipment is there. i'll check out the netgear. my experience with ssh was not very good when high volume of traffic was involved, mainly the speed was very poor when compared with dedicated devices like sonicwall. julius From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 10 21:51:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:51:21 -0500 Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] Re: [K12OSN] Yerase's TNEF Stream Reader In-Reply-To: <40771D03.5060707@cfl.rr.com> References: <40771D03.5060707@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1081633881.24542.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 17:00, Brian Chase wrote: > This would be good if it works well, anyone using it to interoperate and > interact with M$ Outlook users? > > I've just installed it with the tnefclean wrapper from http://www.dread.net/~striker/tnefclean/ running as a filter from procmail. So far it looks like meeting requests work but the first attempts at task requests have not. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click _____________________________________________________________________ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 10 21:51:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:51:21 -0500 Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] Re: [K12OSN] Yerase's TNEF Stream Reader In-Reply-To: <40771D03.5060707@cfl.rr.com> References: <40771D03.5060707@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1081633881.24542.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 17:00, Brian Chase wrote: > This would be good if it works well, anyone using it to interoperate and > interact with M$ Outlook users? > > I've just installed it with the tnefclean wrapper from http://www.dread.net/~striker/tnefclean/ running as a filter from procmail. So far it looks like meeting requests work but the first attempts at task requests have not. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click _____________________________________________________________________ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 24 17:04:14 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:04:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082826254.25033.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-04-24 at 09:58, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > one additional question: how silly would it be to have single > piece of equipment serving as both k12 and cipe vpn device for a small > group of users. the network is T1 terminated by cisco 2170, natted with > passthrough from public to private addresses. The load won't be a problem - the blowfish encryption is very CPU-efficient. I have 10 active tunnels terminating on a similar box doing other work. The main issues are routing and how often/long the box is down for other reasons. At least one of the endpoints must have a public IP address although this can be arranged with static nat on the outside box. NAT would be a problem for an IPsec device, although with the right IOS rev you might be able to do it directly on the outside cisco. You also have to arrange for packets headed to the remote lan to be routed through the CIPE host. If you have a 2-nic k12ltsp box, everything behind it will already be using it as the default route. My remote endpoints are mostly smaller offices so most of them are SMEservers that are also already the default gateway and providing other services. Some of the remote offices run email locally with all the users added to the SMEserver; some just use it as a VPN and connect directly to the central mail server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 24 17:17:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:17:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082827028.25033.35.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-04-24 at 10:05, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > doesn't have to be linux, but i am installing servers in all > locations, so the equipment is there. i'll check out the netgear. my > experience with ssh was not very good when high volume of traffic was > involved, mainly the speed was very poor when compared with dedicated > devices like sonicwall. Tunneling tcp over ssh doesn't recover from errors very well because you have 2 layers of tcp stacks doing resends with the same timers. IPsec devices or software won't work behind NAT (although I think there is some current work to allow this) so that would have to run on a device with a public address. That leaves CIPE, which runs over UDP and has been around a while, and some newer software (openvpn) and devices that use SSL. I recommended CIPE in this case because it is a fill-in-the-form option in RH/fedora and I've had a lot of trouble-free experience with it. Starting from scratch, I'd probably look at openvpn first now because it has more recent development work and sounds theoretically more secure. Both CIPE and openvpn have windows versions as well as Linux, but I haven't used them. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Apr 24 23:11:42 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:11:42 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? Message-ID: <042420042311.26312.408AF42E00009F00000066C82200751150FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Julius, Les raises some valid points (he usually does!) in his responses. I do not know how your network is setup. I have the Netgear units as my firewall devices, so NAT isn't an issue for me (not double Nat'ed). I am also not trying to push lots of data across the link. I haven't tried Cipe which does look interesting. Just my personal bent towards using hardware devices for this whenever possible since they seem to be a little more robust (please no flames, this is just my opinion). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > > OK, does this have to be Linux based? A couple of Netgear FVS318 units would > solve this quickly. The units are about $100.00 each. > > > > If Linux, then why not create a ssh tunnel vpn between the two sites ? "Linux > Server Hacks" by O'Reilly gives step by step instructions. > > > > Dave Hopkins > > > Dear Folks, > > > I need to set up a VPN between 2 sites connected to the Internet. > > > I need something that is easy to install and configure and that is robust > > > enough to do windoze networking - need to mount a remote directory on a > > > pc. If you have any experience, ideas, please share. thanks julius > > Dave, > doesn't have to be linux, but i am installing servers in all > locations, so the equipment is there. i'll check out the netgear. my > experience with ssh was not very good when high volume of traffic was > involved, mainly the speed was very poor when compared with dedicated > devices like sonicwall. > julius > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Sat Apr 24 23:29:05 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:29:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Calc vs Gnumeric Message-ID: <408AF841.4060801@cfl.rr.com> Well, I've primarily focused my energies in Linux to server capabilities, but with the applications growing ever stronger on the desktop, I've been using more and more desktop Linux. I am interested in feedback on the specific comparison of OpenOffice Calc vs. Gnumeric. Being an experienced Excel user, I find Gnumeric a much easier transition to make, many of the same icons as Excel, things I use alot like the "sum" button, function button, and $ formatting in particular. Anybody know of good writeups of the two in a face-off? Google brought me little in this regard, except for a few kudo's for Gnumeric, similar to my early impressions of the two as they stack up. Experiences, observations, and extreme prejudice welcome to respond. Cheers, Brian From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Apr 24 23:55:27 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:55:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Calc vs Gnumeric In-Reply-To: <408AF841.4060801@cfl.rr.com> References: <408AF841.4060801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <408AFE6F.4000905@cmosnetworks.com> I think that Gnumeric is a fine spreadsheet for the vast majority of people. It does a decent job of opening MS Excel spreadsheets, too, though OpenOffice.org Calc seems to display them better. For example, when opening an Excel spreadsheet with embedded Visio diagrams, Gnumeric doesn't show me the diagrams, but OpenOffice.org does. Having used both, I find both equally easy to use. Are you talking about for yourself, for others learning what a spreadsheet is, for people having to deal with existing MS Excel or Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheets--what's our audience? That will affect the answer. --TP Brian Chase wrote: > Well, I've primarily focused my energies in Linux to server > capabilities, but with the applications growing ever stronger on the > desktop, I've been using more and more desktop Linux. I am interested > in feedback on the specific comparison of OpenOffice Calc vs. Gnumeric. > > Being an experienced Excel user, I find Gnumeric a much easier > transition to make, many of the same icons as Excel, things I use alot > like the "sum" button, function button, and $ formatting in particular. > > Anybody know of good writeups of the two in a face-off? Google > brought me little in this regard, except for a few kudo's for > Gnumeric, similar to my early impressions of the two as they stack up. > > Experiences, observations, and extreme prejudice welcome to respond. > > Cheers, > > Brian From orv at orvsplace.net Sat Apr 24 23:57:25 2004 From: orv at orvsplace.net (Orv Beach) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:57:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Calc vs Gnumeric In-Reply-To: <408AF841.4060801@cfl.rr.com> References: <408AF841.4060801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1082851045.3059.107.camel@leroy.in.orvsplace.net> My first time back to K12OSN in about two years, so naturally I've got to put in my two cents. For my needs (basic and intermediate stuff) I find no problem switching between Excel (work) and OOCalc (home). Additionally, if you right-click on the toolbars in OOCalc, they are highly configurable. Perhaps you can customize them to suit your needs. Orv On Sat, 2004-04-24 at 16:29, Brian Chase wrote: > Well, I've primarily focused my energies in Linux to server > capabilities, but with the applications growing ever stronger on the > desktop, I've been using more and more desktop Linux. I am interested > in feedback on the specific comparison of OpenOffice Calc vs. Gnumeric. > > Being an experienced Excel user, I find Gnumeric a much easier > transition to make, many of the same icons as Excel, things I use alot > like the "sum" button, function button, and $ formatting in particular. > > Anybody know of good writeups of the two in a face-off? Google brought > me little in this regard, except for a few kudo's for Gnumeric, similar > to my early impressions of the two as they stack up. > > Experiences, observations, and extreme prejudice welcome to respond. > > Cheers, > > Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Orv Beach From luis.montes at cox.net Sun Apr 25 00:22:20 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:22:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Calc vs Gnumeric In-Reply-To: <1082851045.3059.107.camel@leroy.in.orvsplace.net> References: <408AF841.4060801@cfl.rr.com> <1082851045.3059.107.camel@leroy.in.orvsplace.net> Message-ID: <408B04BC.3040102@cox.net> With OO.o you get a windows port as well. Could be something to consider if you are using linux for a school, as the students may need to work on a spreadsheet at home, but the student's parents just have windows installed. Luis Orv Beach wrote: >My first time back to K12OSN in about two years, so naturally I've got >to put in my two cents. > >For my needs (basic and intermediate stuff) I find no problem switching >between Excel (work) and OOCalc (home). > >Additionally, if you right-click on the toolbars in OOCalc, they are >highly configurable. Perhaps you can customize them to suit your needs. > >Orv > >On Sat, 2004-04-24 at 16:29, Brian Chase wrote: > > >>Well, I've primarily focused my energies in Linux to server >>capabilities, but with the applications growing ever stronger on the >>desktop, I've been using more and more desktop Linux. I am interested >>in feedback on the specific comparison of OpenOffice Calc vs. Gnumeric. >> >>Being an experienced Excel user, I find Gnumeric a much easier >>transition to make, many of the same icons as Excel, things I use alot >>like the "sum" button, function button, and $ formatting in particular. >> >>Anybody know of good writeups of the two in a face-off? Google brought >>me little in this regard, except for a few kudo's for Gnumeric, similar >>to my early impressions of the two as they stack up. >> >>Experiences, observations, and extreme prejudice welcome to respond. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Brian >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> From julius at turtle.com Sun Apr 25 14:39:24 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: <1082826254.25033.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-04-24 at 09:58, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > one additional question: how silly would it be to have single > > piece of equipment serving as both k12 and cipe vpn device for a small > > group of users. the network is T1 terminated by cisco 2170, natted with > > passthrough from public to private addresses. > > The load won't be a problem - the blowfish encryption is very > CPU-efficient. I have 10 active tunnels terminating on a > similar box doing other work. The main issues are routing > and how often/long the box is down for other reasons. At > least one of the endpoints must have a public IP address > although this can be arranged with static nat on the outside > box. NAT would be a problem for an IPsec device, although with > the right IOS rev you might be able to do it directly on the > outside cisco. You also have to arrange for packets headed > to the remote lan to be routed through the CIPE host. If you > have a 2-nic k12ltsp box, everything behind it will already > be using it as the default route. My remote endpoints are > mostly smaller offices so most of them are SMEservers that > are also already the default gateway and providing other > services. Some of the remote offices run email locally > with all the users added to the SMEserver; some just use it > as a VPN and connect directly to the central mail server. > Les, that gives me hope. If the afternoon doesn't become windy, i might actually do some work. i'll wail for halp when i get stuck ;-) thanks, julius From julius at turtle.com Sun Apr 25 14:48:43 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: <042420042311.26312.408AF42E00009F00000066C82200751150FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Julius, > > Les raises some valid points (he usually does!) in his responses. I do > not know how your network is setup. I have the Netgear units as my > firewall devices, so NAT isn't an issue for me (not double Nat'ed). I > am also not trying to push lots of data across the link. I haven't tried > Cipe which does look interesting. Just my personal bent towards using > hardware devices for this whenever possible since they seem to be a > little more robust (please no flames, this is just my opinion). > Dave, I think that you are brilliant, since you think the way i do ;-) my preference is for the dedicated devices - no moving parts, geared to one task, etc. i've been using lots of Sonicwall stuff with pretty good success (other than inability to deal with H323 and the need for public address to do vpn). this time around, the problem is budgetary - if i don't spend the money on gear, i have a better chance of getting decent raises for my department. at least you know you are being bothered in a good cause :-) thanks, julius From luis.montes at cox.net Sun Apr 25 21:19:11 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:19:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12wincd version 0.1 released. Message-ID: <408C2B4F.7000504@cox.net> Hi everyone, I started a little project that may be helpful to anyone deploying a k12ltsp network in a school. Its a CD image with an auto-run program that installs windows versions of software that students are likely to be using on linux. Teachers may wish to make copies of this and send them home with the students so they can have their parents install things like OpenOffice.org, tuxpaint, and Abiword. When explaining what LTSP is to other parents, I often get asked what programs are available to the students on Linux. Hopefully this CD can help answer some questions, generate some interest in open source software, and if nothing else, help the students to be able to do their lab homework at home. The website is http://k12wincd.sourceforge.net -Luis From julius at turtle.com Sun Apr 25 21:54:31 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: <042320042259.10401.40899FDD000458BC000028A12200751150FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: Stuck, that's what i am. gui setup for cipe is nice and easy, everything goes smooth, i set up one end as a server and the other as a client. key copied and pasted, everything is hunky-dory, netstat -r looks good on both ends, but ping to either virtual interface doesn't work from the remote - no vpn. rats! i have the uneasy feeleng that i am missing something. tomorrow i'll try it on two servers on the same network segments, so that there will be no firewalls involved. if you can think of a something outside og cipe gui that i need to do, plese tell me. julius From pauldavison at psps.com Sun Apr 25 22:27:15 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:27:15 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408C3B43.4040207@psps.com> Hi Julius, No one has mentioned it yet, but I use IPCOP (20Mb iso image) http://www.ipcop.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/IPCop/WebHome This is one of the nicest firewall distros I have ever seen. I have been using it for remote locations for about a year now, some of the connections are on tempermental DSL connections and we run replicating databases and some windows networking. it is rock solid for my purposes. It has very easy setup, and is fully linux based. It is worth checking out. I use it for ipsec VPNs but I believe it supports PPTP and others. Ofcourse, it is a linux distro, so you could add anything you want I guess. It has a nice https gui, and ofcouse the regular command line tools. The one thing this offers me over most inexpensive hardware options (like netgear) is that I can have a cron job forward logs and other info to be parsed and presented on a single internal page so I have up to the minute (five minutes actually) info on all my remote systems. Hope that helps Paul Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Stuck, that's what i am. gui setup for cipe is nice and easy, everything > goes smooth, i set up one end as a server and the other as a client. key > copied and pasted, everything is hunky-dory, netstat -r looks good on both > ends, but ping to either virtual interface doesn't work from the remote - > no vpn. rats! i have the uneasy feeleng that i am missing something. > tomorrow i'll try it on two servers on the same network segments, so that > there will be no firewalls involved. if you can think of a something > outside og cipe gui that i need to do, plese tell me. julius > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Sun Apr 25 23:44:37 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:44:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082936676.6392.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 16:54, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Stuck, that's what i am. gui setup for cipe is nice and easy, everything > goes smooth, i set up one end as a server and the other as a client. key > copied and pasted, everything is hunky-dory, netstat -r looks good on both > ends, but ping to either virtual interface doesn't work from the remote - > no vpn. rats! i have the uneasy feeleng that i am missing something. > tomorrow i'll try it on two servers on the same network segments, so that > there will be no firewalls involved. if you can think of a something > outside og cipe gui that i need to do, plese tell me. julius You just have to get the UDP packets back and forth to the endpoint addresses and then you should be able to ping the remote cipe interface address. You mentioned having NAT on at least one side. Did you static nat or port-forward so the remote sees a known public address? If not, you need to set the remote peer address to 0.0.0.0 (or maybe check the 'auto' box in the GUI) on the side that doesn't know the address to use and try to ping through the tunnel after starting it from the side that does know the peer public address. 'ifconfig cipcb0' will show you the interface stats. If you see TX packets on one side but no RX on the other it is a firewall/nat/routing issue between them. You can 'tcpdump udp port portnumber' to see the packets going by. Keep in mind that tcpdump will see packets even if an iptables filter is blocking them from other applications. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From roger at quetuanis.info Mon Apr 26 12:38:31 2004 From: roger at quetuanis.info (rogertuanis) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:38:31 -0500 (Mexico Daylight Time) Subject: [K12OSN] Redhat, Fedora and ?? References: <20040424160014.9211E73D24@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <408D02C7.000010.42957@roger.cyber.com> Hi! Just out of curiosity, K12 is officially working with RedHat and Fedora! Do you think it could work "AS IT IS" with Mandrake 10 or it would be possible only to a Linux Priest to make it work! Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMSTP.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BackGrnd.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon Apr 26 14:28:17 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:28:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New version of e-smith ??? Message-ID: There is a new version of e-smith at contrbis.org/ it is 6.0.1 and it is the "contibs" version as opposed to Mitel. I was told that dans guardian and clam antivirus were "built in" I can't find them anywhere on the ISO. Does anyone know where those files can be found? Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Mon Apr 26 14:44:59 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Admin best bet for Report Card softwar? In-Reply-To: <20040425144817.2517D741A8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hello, I hope everyone is having a good day. In our small school, most of the administration, etc. is done on paper. The only thing we used the computers for was the final report cards at the end of the term. And we used a Windows-based one. Well, our windows machine just went up in smoke yesterday and all the teachers are freaking. I thought now would be a good time to show them that the k12ltsp network is good for more than just web browsing/OO. So some quick searching let me to Open Admin. Does anyone have any experiences with this software? It looks like it can do far more than just report cards. Or if not that, other report card software? What do you use in your school? the sooner I can get this installed, the less sweating the teachers will do as the year-end approaches. Thank you kindly, Joseph From julius at turtle.com Mon Apr 26 15:35:57 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: <1082826254.25033.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: OK, the CIPE VPN is going. The difficulties got resolved when i tried to connect 2 k12 servers on the same network segment. Difficulty number 1 is the "suggested" choice of tunnelling device: "None - Server Settings". well, it doesn't work for me. after selecting the external ether interface i got the connection. difficulty 2 was a total "doh!" - i've made a typo in the server address when trying to connect from home. this tends to be a show stopper. now all i need is to set the firewall rules on the k12 box so that the CIPE is going, the terminals boot, the users can get on the net and nothing untoward gets in. should i just use the frumpy redhat tool, or is there an easier way? thanks guys. julius From julius at turtle.com Mon Apr 26 15:58:59 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > OK, the CIPE VPN is going. The difficulties got resolved when i tried to > connect 2 k12 servers on the same network segment. Difficulty number 1 is > the "suggested" choice of tunnelling device: "None - Server Settings". > well, it doesn't work for me. after selecting the external ether interface > i got the connection. difficulty 2 was a total "doh!" - i've made a typo > in the server address when trying to connect from home. this tends to be a > show stopper. > now all i need is to set the firewall rules on the k12 box so that > the CIPE is going, the terminals boot, the users can get on the net and > nothing untoward gets in. should i just use the frumpy redhat tool, or is > there an easier way? > thanks guys. julius well, it turns out i need more: i added route pointing to my business server going through the virtual cipe interface. now i can connect to my big server that sists on the same network segment that the CIPE server is on, but i can connect only from the console and the terminals. the pc that sits on eth0 of the remote cipe box has access to the 'net (firewall down for the moment), natting is on, masquerade is on, ip forwarding on. this pc just can't connect to the "other" side of the virtual private cipe connection. What have i missed here? tia, julius From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Apr 26 16:03:57 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:03:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Admin best bet for Report Card softwar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408D32ED.60307@cfl.rr.com> I haven't used it, but you're looking in the right direction, web based, secure and centrally managed and controlled. joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: >Hello, > >I hope everyone is having a good day. In our small school, most of the >administration, etc. is done on paper. The only thing we used the >computers for was the final report cards at the end of the term. And we >used a Windows-based one. > >Well, our windows machine just went up in smoke yesterday and all the >teachers are freaking. I thought now would be a good time to show them >that the k12ltsp network is good for more than just web browsing/OO. So >some quick searching let me to Open Admin. Does anyone have any >experiences with this software? It looks like it can do far more than just >report cards. Or if not that, other report card software? What do you use >in your school? the sooner I can get this installed, the less sweating the >teachers will do as the year-end approaches. > >Thank you kindly, >Joseph > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From roger at quetuanis.info Mon Apr 26 15:08:35 2004 From: roger at quetuanis.info (rogertuanis) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:08:35 -0500 (Mexico Daylight Time) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora, RedHat and ?? References: <20040426160015.98AC073A58@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <408D25F3.000001.50089@roger.cyber.com> Hi all! Right now the K12 is available on Fedora and RedHat only. It's a delicate matter (maybe), but I have to ask these questions: Will it works AS IT IS on a Mandrake 10.00 linux system? Will it works with some modifications on a Mandrake system? Is there any project at all to make it portable in the future to other linux system (Mandrake or whatever)?? The reason i asked this is, as hard I tried to install Fedora, I had not succeeded at all. So I told myself, maybe something is wrong with my machine (harware comptibility), or something is wrong with me (whatever I do during the installation). So as to clear out my doubts, I gave a shot with Mandrake 9.00. Boum! Everything installed on the first shot! I am not telling that I will quit on Fedora! No way! I am going to fight more! I even order an officially supported RedHat 9.0! Will see later on! But again, just curious! Roger Costa Rica From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 26 16:17:59 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:17:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082996279.8304.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 10:35, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > OK, the CIPE VPN is going. The difficulties got resolved when i tried to > connect 2 k12 servers on the same network segment. Difficulty number 1 is > the "suggested" choice of tunnelling device: "None - Server Settings". > well, it doesn't work for me. after selecting the external ether interface > i got the connection. This probably depends on your addressing scheme. You have to make sure that the best route to the remote endpoint for the packets encapsulating the tunnel is not "through" the tunnel. This is true for just about any tunnel protocol. > now all i need is to set the firewall rules on the k12 box so that > the CIPE is going, the terminals boot, the users can get on the net and > nothing untoward gets in. should i just use the frumpy redhat tool, or is > there an easier way? I do the firewalling elsewhere so won't be much help with this. Depending on your firewall rules, in addition to allowing the UDP packets on the outside, you may have to permit everything on the cipcb0 interface the same as it is for the inside ethernet. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 26 16:35:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:35:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1082997336.8304.45.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 10:58, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > well, it turns out i need more: i added route pointing to my business > server going through the virtual cipe interface. now i can connect to my > big server that sists on the same network segment that the CIPE server is > on, but i can connect only from the console and the terminals. the pc that > sits on eth0 of the remote cipe box has access to the 'net (firewall down > for the moment), natting is on, masquerade is on, ip forwarding on. this > pc just can't connect to the "other" side of the virtual private cipe > connection. What have i missed here? tia, julius You have to set up routes both ways through the cipe interfaces. You can add these in the GUI where you set up the interfaces or you can edit them into the /etc/cipe/ipup and ipdown scripts. Either way they are added/deleted with the ifup/ifdown commands or other normal ways of activating and deactivating the interfaces. Step one in testing is to ssh directly from one cipe server to the remote cipe interface. Then do it back from there to your own cipe interface. Then repeat with the inside LAN interface addresses. If that works, the internal routing is OK on both servers (i.e. you are routing through the tunnel correctly to the remote LAN). If you can't go beyond the server's own LAN interface, it will be either because the other LAN devices aren't routing through the cipe server, the cipe server doesn't have routing enabled, or something is firewalled. I prefer to do normal routing so source addresses remain visible but it is also possible to masq at the cipe interfaces to reduce the routes things need to know. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Apr 26 16:51:48 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:51:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nat Message-ID: <408D3E24.4060907@msln.net> One hurdle to cross with the admin on LTSP is content filtering. I have the bess filtering system setup external to my network. If someone overrides the filter on a terminal does everyone get by? Is one-to-one nat the answer? Thanks in advance. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Mon Apr 26 17:01:00 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:01:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] restoring file table Message-ID: A student at my school accidently built a new file system over an existing XP file system on his home computer. Instead of mke2fs /dev/hda1 he used hdb1 *whoops*. He can recover his XP files, but is there a way to rebuild the file system table to make it appear like he never goofed in the first place? I had no idea.... Thanks, Scott -- -- Scott Sherrill Technology Coordinator Hancock Public Schools Hancock, MI http://www.hancock.k12.mi.us From brian at fahrlander.net Mon Apr 26 17:12:26 2004 From: brian at fahrlander.net (Brian Fahrlander) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:12:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Looks like time for an update Message-ID: <1082999545.7299.56.camel@aquila.kamakiriad.local> I'm curious; I have an LTSP machine running upstairs which serves a single Jammin 125 downstairs. Seems like it was based on a Redhat 8 server, I believe. But I'd like to get some idea on upgrades; is the LTSP package ready for Fedora yet? Is it just a simple matter of a CDROM-based upgrade? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrl?nder Christian, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN http://www.fahrlander.net ICQ 5119262 AIM: WheelDweller ------------------------------------------------------------------------ angegangen, Schlange-H?ften, sein es ganz r?ber jetzt. 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The contribs.org version is only rebranded and some outstanding bug fixes at this point. >Joe Faletra >School Administrative Unit 16 >Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >T: 603-775-8576 >F: 603-775-8487 >http://www.sau16.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 26 17:43:03 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:43:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New version of e-smith ??? In-Reply-To: <408D4796.3000206@litwiller.net> References: <408D4796.3000206@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1083001382.8304.67.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 12:32, Tim Litwiller wrote: > >There is a new version of e-smith at contrbis.org/ it is 6.0.1 and it > >is the "contibs" version as opposed to Mitel. > > > >I was told that dans guardian and clam antivirus were "built in" I > >can't find them anywhere on the ISO. Does anyone know where those > >files can be found? > > > > > They aren't built in. The contribs.org version is only rebranded and > some outstanding bug fixes at this point. I thought the forums mentioned a custom variation someone had put together that included some of the contrib add-ons, but I haven't looked at it myself. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Apr 26 17:51:58 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:51:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New version of e-smith ??? In-Reply-To: <408D4796.3000206@litwiller.net> References: <408D4796.3000206@litwiller.net> Message-ID: Actually there is a fork in project that has made a Custom ISO of E-Smith/SME 6.01 that contains Spamassassin, ClamAV, netjuke and a host of other programs. Check the forums at contribs.org and search for Custom ISO. One download site is http://ccskavenger.lc-usa.net/SME(E-SMITH)/ISOs/6.01-Custom/ but you can search the forums for others as many folks are hosting it. Also try here http://www.keane.co.nz/modules/mydownloads David "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Joe Faletra wrote: > >>There is a new version of e-smith at contrbis.org/ it is 6.0.1 and it >>is the "contibs" version as opposed to Mitel. >> >>I was told that dans guardian and clam antivirus were "built in" I >>can't find them anywhere on the ISO. Does anyone know where those >>files can be found? >> >> >They aren't built in. The contribs.org version is only rebranded and >some outstanding bug fixes at this point. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Apr 26 19:52:43 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:52:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New version of e-smith ??? In-Reply-To: <1083001382.8304.67.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <012501c42bc8$0d2e53d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Here is what David Trask sent me a few weeks ago on this topic: "Go to www.contribs.org and search the forums for SME 6.01 Custom ISO....basically some folks have taken and integrated Spamassassin and ClamAV into SME server.....I've tried it and it works fantastic!" -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 10:43 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New version of e-smith ??? On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 12:32, Tim Litwiller wrote: > >There is a new version of e-smith at contrbis.org/ it is 6.0.1 and > >it is the "contibs" version as opposed to Mitel. > > > >I was told that dans guardian and clam antivirus were "built in" I > >can't find them anywhere on the ISO. Does anyone know where those > >files can be found? > > > > > They aren't built in. The contribs.org version is only rebranded and > some outstanding bug fixes at this point. I thought the forums mentioned a custom variation someone had put together that included some of the contrib add-ons, but I haven't looked at it myself. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tim at litwiller.net Mon Apr 26 17:50:25 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:50:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New version of e-smith ??? In-Reply-To: References: <408D4796.3000206@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <408D4BE1.3050501@litwiller.net> Now, that does look interesting. Thanks for the link David Trask wrote: >Actually there is a fork in project that has made a Custom ISO of >E-Smith/SME 6.01 that contains Spamassassin, ClamAV, netjuke and a host of >other programs. Check the forums at contribs.org and search for Custom >ISO. > >One download site is >http://ccskavenger.lc-usa.net/SME(E-SMITH)/ISOs/6.01-Custom/ but you can >search the forums for others as many folks are hosting it. > >Also try here http://www.keane.co.nz/modules/mydownloads > > >David > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: > > >>Joe Faletra wrote: >> >> >> >>>There is a new version of e-smith at contrbis.org/ it is 6.0.1 and it >>>is the "contibs" version as opposed to Mitel. >>> >>>I was told that dans guardian and clam antivirus were "built in" I >>>can't find them anywhere on the ISO. Does anyone know where those >>>files can be found? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>They aren't built in. The contribs.org version is only rebranded and >>some outstanding bug fixes at this point. >> >> > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Apr 26 17:58:28 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:58:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New version of e-smith ??? In-Reply-To: <012501c42bc8$0d2e53d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <012501c42bc8$0d2e53d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >"Go to www.contribs.org and search the forums for SME 6.01 Custom >ISO....basically some folks have taken and integrated Spamassassin and >ClamAV into SME server.....I've tried it and it works fantastic!" Yep I did....and I must say the Spamassassin and ClamAV stuff works fantastic! I use it in tandem with a FirstClass email server....I have it on another box with port-forwarding in play so email flows in and through the spamassassin and clamAV box prior to hitting the FirstClass server...so by then it has been tagged for Spam and scanned for viruses....it works fantastic and has cut our spam down a LOT....we simply have mail rules that move the {SPAM} tagged email into another folder and it sits there for a week (in case the user wants to check it) and then deletes after a week. Very cool! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Mon Apr 26 19:11:31 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:11:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Security Audits Message-ID: <408D5EE3.9040602@glenwood.k12.mo.us> What open source apps do you like to use for network security auditing? I found a great app that I'd like to share with the list: Nessus. If you haven't used it, give it a try. Very easy to get running and easy to use. I scanned my network and found all kinds of vulnerabilities. It even suggests ways to fix the security problems. Great stuff. Anybody got other stuff that they think is great? -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From julius at turtle.com Mon Apr 26 19:15:15 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: <1082997336.8304.45.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 10:58, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > well, it turns out i need more: i added route pointing to my business > > server going through the virtual cipe interface. now i can connect to my > > big server that sists on the same network segment that the CIPE server is > > on, but i can connect only from the console and the terminals. the pc that > > sits on eth0 of the remote cipe box has access to the 'net (firewall down > > for the moment), natting is on, masquerade is on, ip forwarding on. this > > pc just can't connect to the "other" side of the virtual private cipe > > connection. What have i missed here? tia, julius > > You have to set up routes both ways through the cipe interfaces. > You can add these in the GUI where you set up the interfaces or > you can edit them into the /etc/cipe/ipup and ipdown scripts. Either > way they are added/deleted with the ifup/ifdown commands or other > normal ways of activating and deactivating the interfaces. Step > one in testing is to ssh directly from one cipe server to the remote > cipe interface. Then do it back from there to your own cipe interface. > Then repeat with the inside LAN interface addresses. If that works, > the internal routing is OK on both servers (i.e. you are routing through > the tunnel correctly to the remote LAN). If you can't go beyond the > server's own LAN interface, it will be either because the other LAN > devices aren't routing through the cipe server, the cipe server doesn't > have routing enabled, or something is firewalled. I prefer to do normal > routing so source addresses remain visible but it is also possible to > masq at the cipe interfaces to reduce the routes things need to know. > Les, yes, this makes perfect sense. once the routes were set up on both ends and the route to the inner network on the client was added on the server, everything was hunky-dory. it all works just fine up to a moment when the following shows up in /var/log/messages: Apr 26 17:41:29 ltspl ciped-cb[1831]: peer: going down Apr 26 17:41:29 ltspl ciped-cb[1831]: kxchg: recv: Connection refused the traffic now goes through my main firewall from the outside to the ltspl server end. only one udp port is opened on the firewall. do i need additional ports? what am i missing here? this stuff has to stay on forever, otherwise it is counterproductive. julius From csitech at davisny.edu Mon Apr 26 19:26:31 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park, ADCS) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:26:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Security Audits In-Reply-To: <408D5EE3.9040602@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <408D5EE3.9040602@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1083007591.2149.3.camel@localhost> At our college here we use most of the tools provided with Local Area Security Linux (http://www.localareasecurity.com) They provide some excellent programs such as Nessus, Nmap, Ethereal, Cheops, etc. LAS is a bootable CD, which is wonderful because I can quite literally carry it in my pocket (the ISO comes in 185MB and 210MB flavors) on a mini-CD and pop it into whatever computer happens to be closest if there is a problem. They are also experimenting with an HD-installer so you can actually boot it from HD and run it that way. -Calvin On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 15:11, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > What open source apps do you like to use for network security > auditing? I found a great app that I'd like to share with the list: > Nessus. If you haven't used it, give it a try. Very easy to get > running and easy to use. I scanned my network and found all kinds of > vulnerabilities. It even suggests ways to fix the security problems. > Great stuff. Anybody got other stuff that they think is great? -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon Apr 26 19:35:03 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:35:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Security Audits In-Reply-To: <408D5EE3.9040602@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <408D5EE3.9040602@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: Ntop is what we use. And if you have a switch that is able to utilize a monitoring port you can get all kinds of good info Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 26 19:39:35 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:39:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083008375.23653.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 14:15, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > yes, this makes perfect sense. once the routes were set up on both > ends and the route to the inner network on the client was added on the > server, everything was hunky-dory. it all works just fine up to a moment > when the following shows up in /var/log/messages: > Apr 26 17:41:29 ltspl ciped-cb[1831]: peer: going down > Apr 26 17:41:29 ltspl ciped-cb[1831]: kxchg: recv: Connection refused > > the traffic now goes through my main firewall from the outside to the > ltspl server end. only one udp port is opened on the firewall. do i need > additional ports? what am i missing here? this stuff has to stay on > forever, otherwise it is counterproductive. julius Your NAT router will have a short timeout interval where it will accept UDP packets back to the source. Even if the port isn't specifically firewalled, the address of the inside machine is deleted from the dynamic NAT table much faster than a TCP connection would be. If you have a public address available, the best approach is to set up a static NAT. You might also be able to set up port-forwarding for your UDP port from the NAT router's public address. Next best is to send something through the tunnel often enough from the NAT side to keep it from timing out. Something like 'ping -i 30 remote_cipe_address' would probably work. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Apr 26 19:55:06 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:55:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Redhat, Fedora and ?? In-Reply-To: <408D02C7.000010.42957@roger.cyber.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, rogertuanis wrote: > Hi! > > Just out of curiosity, K12 is officially working with RedHat and Fedora! Do > you think it could work "AS IT IS" with Mandrake 10 or it would be possible > only to a Linux Priest to make it work! > > Roger The K12LTSP is a complete distribution built on RedHat and Fedora, and aimed specifically at the educational market. LTSP (the generic one) should run on just about any flavor of linux, only drawback being that it don't have all the educational stuff installed already. You would have to add in what you wanted. -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Apr 26 20:06:23 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:06:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Redhat, Fedora and ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408D6BBF.40500@cfl.rr.com> I tried both methods, K12LTSP and LTSP as an afterthought on Fedora Core 1, and I had fits trying to get the latter working, where K12LTSP works out of the box (figure of speech, since I burn my ISO's). Besides, I find that K12LTSP has EVERYTHING that FC1 has, plus more things like Scribus (Desktop Publishing) and QCad, along with the plethora of educational stuff. K12LTSP distro also starts out with the newer kernel that sees natively Serial ATA RAID devices, which FC1 base kernel does not. Doug Simpson wrote: >On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, rogertuanis wrote: > > > >>Hi! >> >>Just out of curiosity, K12 is officially working with RedHat and Fedora! Do >>you think it could work "AS IT IS" with Mandrake 10 or it would be possible >>only to a Linux Priest to make it work! >> >>Roger >> >> > >The K12LTSP is a complete distribution built on RedHat and Fedora, and >aimed specifically at the educational market. > >LTSP (the generic one) should run on just about any flavor of linux, only >drawback being that it don't have all the educational stuff installed >already. You would have to add in what you wanted. > > > From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 26 20:19:58 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:19:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora, RedHat and ?? In-Reply-To: <408D25F3.000001.50089@roger.cyber.com> References: <20040426160015.98AC073A58@hormel.redhat.com> <408D25F3.000001.50089@roger.cyber.com> Message-ID: <1083010798.23653.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 10:08, rogertuanis wrote: > Will it works AS IT IS on a Mandrake 10.00 linux system? > Will it works with some modifications on a Mandrake system? > Is there any project at all to make it portable in the future to other linux > system (Mandrake or whatever)?? > > The reason i asked this is, as hard I tried to install Fedora, I had not > succeeded at all. So I told myself, maybe something is wrong with my machine > (harware comptibility), or something is wrong with me (whatever I do during > the installation). Some people are running it on whitebox linux which is a clone of RH enterprise linux. The ltsp part should work on about any system but if you want to take advantage of all the fine tuning and stay updated with the apt/yum repository it is probably worth the trouble to make fedora install or find a different box. Can you be more specific about how the install failed? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From julius at turtle.com Mon Apr 26 20:27:39 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: <1083008375.23653.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 14:15, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > yes, this makes perfect sense. once the routes were set up on both > > ends and the route to the inner network on the client was added on the > > server, everything was hunky-dory. it all works just fine up to a moment > > when the following shows up in /var/log/messages: > > Apr 26 17:41:29 ltspl ciped-cb[1831]: peer: going down > > Apr 26 17:41:29 ltspl ciped-cb[1831]: kxchg: recv: Connection refused > > > > the traffic now goes through my main firewall from the outside to the > > ltspl server end. only one udp port is opened on the firewall. do i need > > additional ports? what am i missing here? this stuff has to stay on > > forever, otherwise it is counterproductive. julius > > Your NAT router will have a short timeout interval where it will accept > UDP packets back to the source. Even if the port isn't specifically > firewalled, the address of the inside machine is deleted from the > dynamic NAT table much faster than a TCP connection would be. If you > have a public address available, the best approach is to set up a static > NAT. You might also be able to set up port-forwarding for your > UDP port from the NAT router's public address. Next best is to > send something through the tunnel often enough from the NAT side > to keep it from timing out. Something like 'ping -i 30 > remote_cipe_address' would probably work. > Les, all I can say is "doh!". this seems to be a prolonged senior moment. my sonicwall box is the culprit. of course i have to keep some traffic going, for some reason i imagined that the cipe connection would generate enough data exchange. well, i send xon every few minutes to my handheld terminals, so that the radios stay up - this is the same principle. thanks, julius From ckacoroski at nsd.org Mon Apr 26 20:35:20 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:35:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Calc vs Gnumeric In-Reply-To: <408AF841.4060801@cfl.rr.com> References: <408AF841.4060801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3C62D88C-97C1-11D8-B5D3-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Check out http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1570801,00.asp for a good comparison of OO and MS Office. cheers, ski On Apr 24, 2004, at 4:29 PM, Brian Chase wrote: > Well, I've primarily focused my energies in Linux to server > capabilities, but with the applications growing ever stronger on the > desktop, I've been using more and more desktop Linux. I am interested > in feedback on the specific comparison of OpenOffice Calc vs. > Gnumeric. > > Being an experienced Excel user, I find Gnumeric a much easier > transition to make, many of the same icons as Excel, things I use alot > like the "sum" button, function button, and $ formatting in > particular. > > Anybody know of good writeups of the two in a face-off? Google > brought me little in this regard, except for a few kudo's for > Gnumeric, similar to my early impressions of the two as they stack up. > > Experiences, observations, and extreme prejudice welcome to respond. > > Cheers, > > Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 26 20:46:06 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:46:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] easy VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083012366.25184.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 15:27, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > Les, > all I can say is "doh!". this seems to be a prolonged senior > moment. my sonicwall box is the culprit. of course i have to keep some > traffic going, for some reason i imagined that the cipe connection would > generate enough data exchange. well, i send xon every few minutes to my > handheld terminals, so that the radios stay up - this is the same > principle. thanks, julius The cipe tunnel simply encapsulates packets as needed to tunnel them. The only traffic it generates on its own is a key exchange every ten minutes or so. If both ends can restart a connection it doesn't matter how long it sits idle but dynamic NAT has to be kept active somehow. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 22:32:38 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache permissions Message-ID: <20040426223238.77358.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> I am trying to log onto my Apache Server from a browser and this is what I get: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apache/2.0.49 (Unix) Server at 10.188.4.12 Port 80 Anyone have any suggestions as to how I can fix this? Thank you for your help. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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From bbenson at pps.k12.or.us Mon Apr 26 23:02:38 2004 From: bbenson at pps.k12.or.us (Brian Benson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache permissions In-Reply-To: <20040426223238.77358.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040426223238.77358.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3778.24.20.143.239.1083020558.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> Make sure you have a "index.html" file in the directory that coresponds to your "DocumentRoot=" directive in the httpd.conf and it will load. I have a feeling that your index file is "index.htm". Note: the "l". You can change the "DirectoryIndex=" directive to include "index.htm" if you like. Below are some links you may find helpfull. http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#documentroot http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex Good luck -Brian > I am trying to log onto my Apache Server from a > browser and this is what I get: > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access / on this server. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apache/2.0.49 (Unix) Server at 10.188.4.12 Port 80 > > Anyone have any suggestions as to how I can fix this? > > Thank you for your help. > > Jennifer > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Tue Apr 27 00:00:01 2004 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (Quigg, Dale) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:00:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using Dansguardian content filter to ensure Google SafeSearch is not Off. Message-ID: Hi All, A while ago, Eric posted a cool hack he made to SquidGuard to ensure that students used Google SafeSearch. I wanted to do a similar thing with DansGuardian and ended up creating the following entry in the bannedphraselist file; --- begin --- < safesearch is off >,< about google >,< Advanced Image Search > --- end --- This only works for image searches. I'm pretty comfortable that this will not result in a false positive. Hope this helps. Dale From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Apr 27 00:34:25 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:34:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple of questions Message-ID: <408DAA91.60309@elp.rr.com> 1. How do I go about creating a drop folder that students can put work in but not access after they have done so? 2. How do I go about setting things so that a password is required in order to print? Thanks Bye Pat From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 27 00:51:29 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Looks like time for an update In-Reply-To: <1082999545.7299.56.camel@aquila.kamakiriad.local> Message-ID: <20040427005129.17694.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> There is a K12LTSP based on Fedora Core 1. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.0.1/iso/ If you want to wait a month or so, there will most likely be a K12LTSP based on Fedora Core 2. You can use the upgrade option, but I've always have had problems so, I always do a fresh install. But you might get different results than me. Chris --- Brian Fahrlander wrote: > > I'm curious; I have an LTSP machine running > upstairs which serves a > single Jammin 125 downstairs. Seems like it was > based on a Redhat 8 > server, I believe. > > But I'd like to get some idea on upgrades; is > the LTSP package ready > for Fedora yet? Is it just a simple matter of a > CDROM-based upgrade? > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Brian Fahrl??nder Christian, > Conservative, and Technomad > Evansville, IN > http://www.fahrlander.net > ICQ 5119262 > AIM: WheelDweller > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > angegangen, Schlange-H??ften, sein es ganz r??ber > jetzt. B??gel innen fest, > weil es eine lange, s??sse Fahrt ist. > > ATTACHMENT part 1.2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Apr 27 00:53:13 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:23:13 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <408DAA91.60309@elp.rr.com> References: <408DAA91.60309@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1083027192.3192.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 06:04, John P. Conlon wrote: > 1. How do I go about creating a drop folder that students can put work > in but not access after they have done so? Interesting. Setup a class paper email id?? Students send in their papers to this as attachments and then they cannot access it. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Apr 26 20:06:26 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:06:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Calc vs Gnumeric In-Reply-To: <408B04BC.3040102@cox.net> References: <408AF841.4060801@cfl.rr.com> <1082851045.3059.107.camel@leroy.in.orvsplace.net> <408B04BC.3040102@cox.net> Message-ID: <04042616073101.28496@newguy> you might want to add winscp--a slick windows gui for copying files via ssh chuck From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Apr 27 02:15:49 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:15:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <408DAA91.60309@elp.rr.com> References: <408DAA91.60309@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <408DC255.1030904@cmosnetworks.com> I don't know how yet to do #2 (I just haven't had to yet), but maybe this'll help for #1. I recall having to do this w/ a publicly accessible FTP server. Set it execute/write (don't give 'em the "read" bit), and they can upload to their heart's content, but they can't see any files once they're in. Doing a "ls -alsF" shows absolutely nada. Assume you have the drop folder set as root:root ownership. You'd do this: chmod 773 /my/drop/folder/ and voila, you're done! If a smart-aleck kid tries something like "rm -rf *" in that directory, it won't work, 'cause there's no way for the rm process to get any filenames, 'cause you denied them "read" permission on the directory. Of course, test this before you put it into production. The other way is to have 'em email it to you. We assume here that 1.) you don't give your students access to your email account, and 2.) they're not emailing you HUMONGO file attachments (hopefully your mail admins have implemented attachment size limits!). --TP John P. Conlon wrote: > 1. How do I go about creating a drop folder that students can put work > in but not access after they have done so? > > 2. How do I go about setting things so that a password is required in > order to print? > > Thanks > Bye > Pat > From roger at quetuanis.info Tue Apr 27 01:18:09 2004 From: roger at quetuanis.info (rogertuanis) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:18:09 -0500 (Mexico Daylight Time) Subject: [K12OSN] The Win Is Blowing In The Right Direction.... References: <20040427003445.401A273707@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <408DB4D1.000007.50089@roger.cyber.com> ...and also the K12 sailboat! This is an article about thin-client that just proove we already have an advance in that trend! http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142 Enjoy! Roger Costa rica From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Apr 27 02:32:12 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:32:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] The Win Is Blowing In The Right Direction.... In-Reply-To: <408DB4D1.000007.50089@roger.cyber.com> References: <20040427003445.401A273707@hormel.redhat.com> <408DB4D1.000007.50089@roger.cyber.com> Message-ID: <408DC62C.3080300@cfl.rr.com> The link didn't work rogertuanis wrote: >...and also the K12 sailboat! > >This is an article about thin-client that just proove we already have an >advance in that trend! > >http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142 > >Enjoy! > >Roger >Costa rica > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 27 02:40:45 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] The Win Is Blowing In The Right Direction.... In-Reply-To: <408DC62C.3080300@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Brian Chase wrote: >The link didn't work This one worked for me: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci961114,00.html -Eric >rogertuanis wrote: > >>...and also the K12 sailboat! >> >>This is an article about thin-client that just proove we already have an >>advance in that trend! >> >>http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142 >> >>Enjoy! >> >>Roger >>Costa rica >> From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Apr 27 11:37:59 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:37:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] restoring file table In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408E4617.7090504@cmosnetworks.com> I assume you mean he formatted a NTFS partition with ext2/ext3. I'm surprised he can recover his XP files at all--he's a very fortunate person. Usually this kind of mistake means that your backups had better be good! If it were me, and I just felt some pressing need to run Windows XP (I emphatically don't), I'd backup whatever irreplaceable/important data I can get off of that partition, boot XP, and reformat that partition, either VFAT or NTFS. I would choose VFAT so that GNU/Linux can use the partition as well; my 12-year-old neighbor next door does this very thing (he dual-boots W2K and RHL 7.3, and his VFAT partition is where he stores his data). Then, I'd copy everything I saved back over and be much more careful next time. :-) --TP Scott Sherrill wrote: > A student at my school accidently built a new file system over an > existing XP file system on his home computer. Instead of mke2fs > /dev/hda1 he used hdb1 *whoops*. > > He can recover his XP files, but is there a way to rebuild the file > system table to make it appear like he never goofed in the first > place? I had no idea.... > > Thanks, > > Scott From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Apr 27 11:40:14 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:40:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nat In-Reply-To: <408D3E24.4060907@msln.net> References: <408D3E24.4060907@msln.net> Message-ID: <408E469E.9060606@cmosnetworks.com> We do content filtering as well, in our case, with Symantec Web Security (ugh--not my decision). Tell us more about your Bess filtering system, how it's set up, are you doing transparent proxy, and how you believe someone could "override" the filter. --TP Mark Gumprecht wrote: > One hurdle to cross with the admin on LTSP is content filtering. I > have the bess filtering system setup external to my network. If > someone overrides the filter on a terminal does everyone get by? Is > one-to-one nat the answer? > Thanks in advance. > Mark > From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Apr 27 13:52:21 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:52:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nat In-Reply-To: <408E469E.9060606@cmosnetworks.com> References: <408D3E24.4060907@msln.net> <408E469E.9060606@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <408E6595.7010006@msln.net> The Bess system is maintained by the Maine School and Library Network (MSLN), they also supply our ip ranges and DHCP. Teachers are assigned override passwords to bypass the filter for research purposes. If I nat all, when a teacher overides the filter for their personal reasons on one internal computer, it would override the filter for everyone because the gateway machine is the only seen ip to the externally kept filter. I can purchase my own filter, but money is not there. I could set up my own, time's a commodity. MSLN already manages the filter and offers it to us at no extra charge. Eventually I will go to my own setup, but that is not possibly at this point. I do transparent proxy by using my sonicwall to forward to my proxy. I watch the SARG logs to see if there is anybody trying to proxy by the filter by bouncing off their own proxy machine at home. I hope this is not too wordy and that it is what you meant. Mark Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > We do content filtering as well, in our case, with Symantec Web > Security (ugh--not my decision). Tell us more about your Bess > filtering system, how it's set up, are you doing transparent proxy, > and how you believe someone could "override" the filter. > > --TP > > Mark Gumprecht wrote: > >> One hurdle to cross with the admin on LTSP is content filtering. I >> have the bess filtering system setup external to my network. If >> someone overrides the filter on a terminal does everyone get by? Is >> one-to-one nat the answer? >> Thanks in advance. >> Mark >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Tue Apr 27 15:28:01 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:28:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum specs for firewall/filter In-Reply-To: <34959.217.208.78.24.1082672876.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> References: <04Apr22.164122cest.87091@fw01.solleftea.se> <34959.217.208.78.24.1082672876.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > I use a modest 233 mhz 256 mb ram ipcop as firewall/squid webcache/filter > and i must say it works very well. It has an easy web interface and > handles load gracefully. Try it out it is very easy to use. > > /cheers! > I agree. And the installed base is like 100 MB only. http://www.ipcop.org/ Mario Guerra From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Tue Apr 27 15:29:23 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:29:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Install additional software not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Joe Faletra wrote: > I am installing a new k12ltsp server and I cannot get the "additional > software" Adobe, java etc to load. It try's the apt get and the > following error occurs: > > Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored or old ones > used instead. > > ERROR: could not update apt repository apt-get update > > Aborting > > Any ideas??? > Try apt-get update before downloading the extra-software. Mario Guerra From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Apr 27 15:54:56 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: 27 Apr 2004 11:54:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ctl Alt Backspace anomaly In-Reply-To: <20040427140738.1D9C473CFF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040427140738.1D9C473CFF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1083081295.13736.33.camel@anthony> Hello, First hiccup we've had all year. Yesterday student A keyed in Ctl Alt Backspace but not only did it "reboot" his session but also Student B's We had 20 users logged on to the server and no others were affected. This can be repeated between student A and B and does not happen in reverse "B --> A" Any ideas? We have some pranksters that think its funny to log in as another student to reboot their session. I don't want to falsely accuse someone when it is actually a bug. TIA, John From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Apr 27 16:36:04 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:36:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nic problem Message-ID: <408E8BF4.1030306@msln.net> Trying to install an amer.com c1110-32. kudzu picks it up, but during initialization it says it is not present. I tried the updated drivers at amer, no good. Tried drivers from realtek.com.tw and those at least compiled, but at boot say there is an unrecognized symbol in r8169.o. Any ideas? Thanks Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From faengoy at yahoo.com Tue Apr 27 18:53:51 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Non-writable file submission In-Reply-To: <20040427140738.2DF2B73D0A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040427185351.11169.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> I helped someone out with this on BSD at a University a couple of years ago. He was stumped, ,but what we ended up doing was creating a Samba share to write the file to, but forcing the file to be owned by the teacher andforcing the permissions, as well. Worked excellently for him, and I believe that it's the same problem you are having. ========================== Message: 2 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:23:13 +0530 From: Sudev Barar Subject: Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <1083027192.3192.5.camel at localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 06:04, John P. Conlon wrote: > 1. How do I go about creating a drop folder that students can put work > in but not access after they have done so? Interesting. Setup a class paper email id?? Students send in their papers to this as attachments and then they cannot access it. ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From brent at biglinux.tccw.wku.edu Tue Apr 27 22:56:56 2004 From: brent at biglinux.tccw.wku.edu (Brent Norris) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:56:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] About printing In-Reply-To: <1082731574.2862.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1082731574.2862.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1083106616.27313.23.camel@Diablo> On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 09:46, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 09:37, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > this is not a requirement you want to fulfill. Since just about > > everything is printed in postscript, you are out of luck, as postscript is > > a horrible language to go into and look for stuff (come to think about it, > > it just horrible). The only sane way to do it, it to look at the documents > > *before* they are being sent to print. julius > > Errr.... > > apt-get install gv > gv postscript_file ... Since at least the lp print system runs print jobs through filters before printing them I would think this would be possible. I mean I once used that setup to play Mp3s. lp -d MyMP3.mp3 with the filter for the default print queue just being a shell script that called mpg123 with a bit of logic in it and the printer being /dev/null. I would think you could code some similar stuff into a shell script. Something like maybe this really rough mock up in psuedo. #!/bin/bash gv $i if xdialog -question "You you want to print this file? -yesno ; then lp -q real_printer $i fi exit Then set the default print queue to your fake queue with the shell script as the filter and make another one with a real printer. If the lap manager hits yes it sends the job to the real queue and exits if they hit no it just exits. Either way the job heads to /dev/null afterwards so if it isn't approved then it doesn't get printed. There are a couple things I don't know here. The options to xdialog are 100% not right and you might have some trouble getting gv and xdialog to output to the correct screen, but this is just something I came up with in my head. Feel free to take it and modify it if you think it is worthwhile. -- Brent Norris From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Apr 27 23:29:59 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:29:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nat In-Reply-To: <408E6595.7010006@msln.net> References: <408D3E24.4060907@msln.net> <408E469E.9060606@cmosnetworks.com> <408E6595.7010006@msln.net> Message-ID: <408EECF7.3070405@cmosnetworks.com> Then your NAT/PAT setup will get ugly, and I wouldn't recommend doing it on the K12LTSP server itself, unless you're already pretty darned good with iptables. However, I can think of two much easier solutions to this. 1.) Have the teachers on standalone GNU/Linux workstations, and then they won't be sitting behind a PAT'ing box (the K12LTSP server). Have the kids on K12LTSP servers, though. 2.) Put all of the teachers on one K12LTSP server, where the "teacher" thin clients are on a separate VLAN, and just permanently bypass the filter for that specific "teachers-only" K12LTSP server. Since they can bypass the filter anyway at will, you're not losing anything here. --TP Mark Gumprecht wrote: > The Bess system is maintained by the Maine School and Library Network > (MSLN), they also supply our ip ranges and DHCP. Teachers are assigned > override passwords to bypass the filter for research purposes. If I > nat all, when a teacher overides the filter for their personal reasons > on one internal computer, it would override the filter for everyone > because the gateway machine is the only seen ip to the externally kept > filter. I can purchase my own filter, but money is not there. I could > set up my own, time's a commodity. MSLN already manages the filter and > offers it to us at no extra charge. Eventually I will go to my own > setup, but that is not possibly at this point. I do transparent proxy > by using my sonicwall to forward to my proxy. I watch the SARG logs > to see if there is anybody trying to proxy by the filter by bouncing > off their own proxy machine at home. I hope this is not too wordy and > that it is what you meant. > Mark > > Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > >> We do content filtering as well, in our case, with Symantec Web >> Security (ugh--not my decision). Tell us more about your Bess >> filtering system, how it's set up, are you doing transparent proxy, >> and how you believe someone could "override" the filter. >> >> --TP >> >> Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >>> One hurdle to cross with the admin on LTSP is content filtering. I >>> have the bess filtering system setup external to my network. If >>> someone overrides the filter on a terminal does everyone get by? Is >>> one-to-one nat the answer? >>> Thanks in advance. >>> Mark >>> >> From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Apr 28 01:29:56 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:29:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem Message-ID: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> I have a lab teacher who needs things set up so that her students can't print unless she enters a password at their desktop. What is currently happening is that the students are typing extremely nasty notes to her and because of the lab layout she hasn't been able to catch the culprits. The students are using Open Office for their word processing. Two things that I can think of would help her solve this problem but I don't know how to implement them. 1. How can I create a drop folder for her that is accessed through OO's File Save As command? 2. To prevent students from printing unless she has approved their work, how can I set up a password on the OO print feature? This same teacher has also had problems with students entering Pornographic Internet sites when her back is turned. What changes do I need to make in the users file to deactivate Internet access for thoe students? Please be fairly detailed in any set of instructions. Thanks Bye Pat From haysja at sages.us Wed Apr 28 02:53:13 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:53:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> References: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <408F1C99.9070906@sages.us> To create a "drop box": I will assume that the students all belong to a group named "students" and the teacher's username name is coojo 1) mkdir /home/dropbox 2) chown coojo:students /home/dropbox 3) chmod 730 /home/dropbox Have the students save their work to this folder using a unique identifier for each student. (For example: smithsa-p23 could be the assignment on page 23 for the student with username smithsa. As for the pornographic web site, install DansGuardian, either on your K12LTSP box or on a firewall that the K12LTSP box goes through. John P. Conlon wrote: > I have a lab teacher who needs things set up so that her students > can't print unless she enters a password at their desktop. What is > currently happening is that the students are typing extremely nasty > notes to her and because of the lab layout she hasn't been able to > catch the culprits. The students are using Open Office for their word > processing. Two things that I can think of would help her solve this > problem but I don't know how to implement them. > 1. How can I create a drop folder for her that is accessed through > OO's File Save As command? > 2. To prevent students from printing unless she has approved their > work, how can I set up a password on the OO print feature? > > This same teacher has also had problems with students entering > Pornographic Internet sites when her back is turned. What changes do > I need to make in the users file to deactivate Internet access for > thoe students? > > Please be fairly detailed in any set of instructions. > Thanks > Bye > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Apr 28 03:43:59 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:43:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <408F1C99.9070906@sages.us> References: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> <408F1C99.9070906@sages.us> Message-ID: <408F287F.1020201@elp.rr.com> Everything is funneled through our district's servers and their porn killers work very well for sites that are detected when a search engine is being used. The problem is that these students are typing the URLs into the browser address line and going directly to the site. Our districts policy is that when caught these students are to loose their Internet access for the rest of the school year. That is the reason I asked about changing things in the user profiles. I will set her drop boxes up before the week is out. Thanks for the how to on that. Bye Pat Jim Hays wrote: > To create a "drop box": > I will assume that the students all belong to a group named "students" > and the teacher's username name is coojo > > 1) mkdir /home/dropbox > 2) chown coojo:students /home/dropbox > 3) chmod 730 /home/dropbox > > Have the students save their work to this folder using a unique > identifier for each student. (For example: smithsa-p23 could be the > assignment on page 23 for the student with username smithsa. > > As for the pornographic web site, install DansGuardian, either on your > K12LTSP box or on a firewall that the K12LTSP box goes through. > > > > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> I have a lab teacher who needs things set up so that her students >> can't print unless she enters a password at their desktop. What is >> currently happening is that the students are typing extremely nasty >> notes to her and because of the lab layout she hasn't been able to >> catch the culprits. The students are using Open Office for their >> word processing. Two things that I can think of would help her solve >> this problem but I don't know how to implement them. >> 1. How can I create a drop folder for her that is accessed through >> OO's File Save As command? >> 2. To prevent students from printing unless she has approved their >> work, how can I set up a password on the OO print feature? >> >> This same teacher has also had problems with students entering >> Pornographic Internet sites when her back is turned. What changes do >> I need to make in the users file to deactivate Internet access for >> thoe students? >> >> Please be fairly detailed in any set of instructions. >> Thanks >> Bye >> Pat >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From herald_desa at yahoo.com Wed Apr 28 07:07:17 2004 From: herald_desa at yahoo.com (Herald D'Sa) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Getting involved with K12 Documentation Message-ID: <20040428070717.8823.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> Hello I feel K12LTSP requires a Guide or book which will have most of the information for setting up and running a K12LTSP lab. It is very difficult for anybody to go through so much of details online. I have prepared one introductory material for children titled Computers and GNU/Linux For children Book 1. It basically has computer hardware introduction, Free software Linux intro, and k12ltsp Gnome as introduction to Linux Desktop and GUI, and some documentation about Gcompris,tuxpaint etc. It also has exercises after each chapter (Mostly questions which need 1 or 2 lines answers). I have prepared one outline of chapters for k12ltsp book. If all of us come together , we can finish the job in a short time. individuals can contribute some chapters. You can download the two pdf files here: http://linuxschools.tripod.com/ Computers and GNU/Linux for Children BOOK 1 : book11.pdf, Size:1MB, Pages:40 Proposed OUTLINE of K12LTSP GUIDE BOOK : k12book.pdf, Size: 37KB, Pages: 6 Please suggest more chapters or topics for the K12LTSP book. Cheers Herald D'Sa Hyderabad,India. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 28 05:38:30 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:38:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> References: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <04042801392400.29785@newguy> assuming you use cups you otter be able to use cups.log to see who printed at what time..chuck> From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Apr 28 12:08:07 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:08:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <04042801392400.29785@newguy> References: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> <04042801392400.29785@newguy> Message-ID: <408F9EA7.90604@elp.rr.com> Unfortunately the teacher with the problem is an appliance operator. Teaching her how to do something is root would be like trying to shovel water in the middle of an ocean. The things I am asking about would, I think, give her control with out letting her into root. Bye Pat cliebow wrote: >assuming you use cups you otter be able to use cups.log to see who printed at >what time..chuck> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 28 12:24:05 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:24:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> References: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <408FA265.3040603@cmosnetworks.com> The drop box answer is in this week's archives. It's actually pretty easy to do. For pulling Internet access, it'll take just a bit of work, but it's quite feasible. The available browsers on a K12LTSP server are Epiphany, Mozilla, Konqueror, Lynx, and Galeon. This is not a foolproof way to do it (the foolproof way to do it requires an authenticating Web proxy server--not exactly trivial), but it's quick 'n' easy and will typically stop most folks. You take those executables, make sure they're owned by root, set group ownership on them to "internetusers" or something like that, and change your ownership to 750 on those executables. Now, to let people actually use those browsers, you simply add them to the "internetusers" group, and voila, you're done! Yes, there are ways to defeat this. I can think of two right off the top of my head. However, if a kid does that, you can boot 'em from the computers for the rest of the year, since the kid had to go out of his or her way to defeat it (this is very easily shown). Also, since you have a policy of "no Internet" for kids that go porn surfing, there may be other disciplinary actions possible. Finally, that lab needs to be rearranged if teachers cannot watch their students. One last thing: if folks can go surfing porn by just typing in directly "http://www.playboy.com/" or something like that, then your Internet Content Filtering system needs to be seriously re-evaluated. Just stopping porn sites from search engines is not sufficient and would never pass muster in our district. I'm surprised your e-rate funding hasn't been pulled! Note that this is not a criticism of you or your school. It's a technical criticism of what the district's bosses chose to buy, and they really need to consider something a whole lot better, say, Dan's Guardian or its commercial version, SmoothGuardian. --TP John P. Conlon wrote: > I have a lab teacher who needs things set up so that her students > can't print unless she enters a password at their desktop. What is > currently happening is that the students are typing extremely nasty > notes to her and because of the lab layout she hasn't been able to > catch the culprits. The students are using Open Office for their word > processing. Two things that I can think of would help her solve this > problem but I don't know how to implement them. > 1. How can I create a drop folder for her that is accessed through > OO's File Save As command? > 2. To prevent students from printing unless she has approved their > work, how can I set up a password on the OO print feature? > > This same teacher has also had problems with students entering > Pornographic Internet sites when her back is turned. What changes do > I need to make in the users file to deactivate Internet access for > thoe students? > > Please be fairly detailed in any set of instructions. > Thanks > Bye > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Apr 28 12:55:43 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:55:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <408F9EA7.90604@elp.rr.com> References: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> <04042801392400.29785@newguy> <408F9EA7.90604@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <408FA9CF.1040401@maltzen.net> You might consider creating an icon on the teacher's desktop that just runs 'tail -f /var/log/cups/page_log'. This will open a window showing the last few items that have been printed and by whom. If you're using KDE, just right-click on the desktop, choose Create New.../Link to Application, and then give the link a name that the teacher will understand, and under the Execute tab put the tail command shown above. If you're using lpd instead of cups--do a 'ps -ef " and grep for cups and/or lpd to see which one is running--then you'll want to tail the appropriate file in /var/spool/lpd/PRINTERNAME/PRINTERNAME.acct. You may need to add read permissions on the file for the teacher to be able to see it. Petre John P. Conlon wrote: > Unfortunately the teacher with the problem is an appliance operator. > Teaching her how to do something is root would be like trying to shovel > water in the middle of an ocean. The things I am asking about would, I > think, give her control with out letting her into root. > Bye > Pat > > cliebow wrote: > >> assuming you use cups you otter be able to use cups.log to see who >> printed at >> what time..chuck> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 28 12:29:34 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:29:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <408F9EA7.90604@elp.rr.com> References: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> <04042801392400.29785@newguy> <408F9EA7.90604@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <408FA3AE.9030100@cmosnetworks.com> I agree; don't give her, or anyone else, root if at all possible to avoid. However, perhaps you could set permissions on it such that she's in the right group for read-only access to that file. Then she can look at it to her heart's content. A point here worth mentioning. She may or may not like it, but in order to use technology in any time period, including the early 21st Century, folks have to learn something about how the tool works. That includes driving, sewing, learning that Mac or Windows box she may have, and how to teach. It may help to have her principal backing you on this; there are some principals that, believe it or not, do not automatically despise IT folks. --TP John P. Conlon wrote: > Unfortunately the teacher with the problem is an appliance operator. > Teaching her how to do something is root would be like trying to > shovel water in the middle of an ocean. The things I am asking about > would, I think, give her control with out letting her into root. > Bye > Pat > > cliebow wrote: > >> assuming you use cups you otter be able to use cups.log to see who >> printed at >> what time..chuck> >> >> >> ______ > From jim at rossberry.com Wed Apr 28 14:04:54 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <408FA265.3040603@cmosnetworks.com> References: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> <408FA265.3040603@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > The drop box answer is in this week's archives. It's actually pretty > easy to do. A possibly more powerful solution would be to modify the cups/lpr scripts to email notifications of print jobs either to the classroom teacher or a central monitoring account. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From csitech at davisny.edu Wed Apr 28 14:18:27 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park, ADCS) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:18:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting involved with K12 Documentation In-Reply-To: <20040428070717.8823.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040428070717.8823.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1083161907.2151.7.camel@localhost> I think this is a great idea. I would be interested in helping out. I work for a College in Upstate NY (USA), and so that might give a slightly different perspective as a case study. We're switching over to K12 this summer for our Computer Center. We're currently running several machines off a test server, but I'd be more than happy to write as we install and go about things over the summer and into the fall. Might make an interesting case study. I'd also be interested in contributing to some of the other chapters, such as the Intro to Free/Open-Source software and the Cost comparison. I think you've got a pretty good start on ideas for chapters and the like. As I said, I think this is a great idea and one that is very much needed. It would be a resource for admins as well as a way to convince people that K12 is the way to go. After all, ease of use is often a big deal with people...and documentation helps a lot with that. You might also consider adding a chapter on specific things that various schools have done (in the way of special software/setups some schools use. For instance the recent discussion on problem students printing off nasty notes and how to combat that). -Calvin P.S. I'm also sending this to the devel list. On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 03:07, Herald D'Sa wrote: > Hello > > I feel K12LTSP requires a Guide or book which will > have most of the information for setting up and > running a K12LTSP lab. It is very difficult for > anybody to go through so much of details online. > > I have prepared one introductory material for children > titled Computers and GNU/Linux For children Book 1. > It basically has computer hardware introduction, Free > software Linux intro, and k12ltsp Gnome as > introduction to Linux Desktop and GUI, and some > documentation about Gcompris,tuxpaint etc. > > It also has exercises after each chapter (Mostly > questions which need 1 or 2 lines answers). > > > I have prepared one outline of chapters for k12ltsp > book. > > If all of us come together , we can finish the job in > a short time. individuals can contribute some > chapters. > > You can download the two pdf files here: > > http://linuxschools.tripod.com/ > > Computers and GNU/Linux for Children BOOK 1 : > book11.pdf, Size:1MB, Pages:40 > > Proposed OUTLINE of K12LTSP GUIDE BOOK : > k12book.pdf, Size: 37KB, Pages: 6 > > Please suggest more chapters or topics for the K12LTSP > book. > > Cheers > Herald D'Sa > Hyderabad,India. > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 28 15:27:28 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:27:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Untested ISOs built from Fedora Core 2 test 3 Message-ID: <1083166048.21561.13.camel@server.ltsp> I built a set of untested K12LTSP ISOs based on Fedora Core 2 test 3 that was released yesterday. I finished these fairly late, I have not even done a single test install yet. They may very well be completely broken, don't even bother downloading them unless you have a lot of time and bandwidth you want to burn ;-) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/distributions/ISO/fedora/ Hopefully within a day or two I'll have the FC2t3 builds verified, yum/apt repositories setup, rsync, etc. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Apr 28 15:37:09 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:37:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <408F9EA7.90604@elp.rr.com> References: <408F0914.1010600@elp.rr.com> <04042801392400.29785@newguy> <408F9EA7.90604@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1083166628.5942.7.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 05:08, John P. Conlon wrote: > Unfortunately the teacher with the problem is an appliance operator. > Teaching her how to do something is root would be like trying to shovel > water in the middle of an ocean. The things I am asking about would, I > think, give her control with out letting her into root. She doesn't need to be root to at least see who is sending her nasty-grams. /var/log/cups/page_log is world-readable. Either open that w/ gedit or go look at the cups web interface at : http://localhost:631/jobs?which_jobs=completed -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Apr 28 16:20:04 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:20:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FC2 Test 3? Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B136@remail2.westat.com> I notice that the four ISO files in ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/distributions/ISO/fedora are dated just after 5:00 AM this morning. Does that mean they are FC2t3? And if so, will rsync save us time downloading this version? -- Henry From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 28 19:36:42 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:36:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <1083166628.5942.7.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I would like to add to the original question #1. When making the drop folder you are only able to specify an owner and a group. I am a little frustrated with both OS X and Linux in the fact that you are limited to only setting permissions for one additional group. Problem is that I have a folder with the "student" group set to write only, "root" is the owner with full privilege, now I want to give the "teacher" group read/write privileges...oops...too bad...I can only specify one group. Is this truly a limit with Linux or do the gui's limit to only single group privileges. On Windows I can specify privileges for 15 groups if I want for a single file or folder, now I am not a Windows fan but this is a huge benefit (at least in my narrow world). Any suggestions? Also can I specify a group as an owner instead of a user? This may help some. Then the "teacher" group could be the owner and have full privilege, and the "student" group as the group with write only. >From my reading it looks like there is a max of 3 variables no matter what, owner, group, and other. This is indicated with the 3 digit code for permissions such as chmod 755. Sure would be awesome to do a chmod 75550 if needed :-) I just don't understand how corporate level file sharing can function with such limited user permissions. But on the other hand maybe Windows shouldn't have spent so much time on file permissions and researched how to share AFP worth a crap instead :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Young Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:37 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Student problem On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 05:08, John P. Conlon wrote: > Unfortunately the teacher with the problem is an appliance operator. > Teaching her how to do something is root would be like trying to shovel > water in the middle of an ocean. The things I am asking about would, I > think, give her control with out letting her into root. She doesn't need to be root to at least see who is sending her nasty-grams. /var/log/cups/page_log is world-readable. Either open that w/ gedit or go look at the cups web interface at : http://localhost:631/jobs?which_jobs=completed -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Wed Apr 28 17:41:15 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:41:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <408FECBB.50809@maltzen.net> Look into ACLs (Access Control Lists) for Linux filesystems. I don't know the state of it (there's some project on freshmeat for incorporating it into the kernel, etc.) ACLs have been around for Solaris for years. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I would like to add to the original question #1. When making the drop > folder you are only able to specify an owner and a group. I am a little > frustrated with both OS X and Linux in the fact that you are limited to > only setting permissions for one additional group. Problem is that I > have a folder with the "student" group set to write only, "root" is the > owner with full privilege, now I want to give the "teacher" group > read/write privileges...oops...too bad...I can only specify one group. > Is this truly a limit with Linux or do the gui's limit to only single > group privileges. On Windows I can specify privileges for 15 groups if > I want for a single file or folder, now I am not a Windows fan but this > is a huge benefit (at least in my narrow world). Any suggestions? Also > can I specify a group as an owner instead of a user? This may help > some. Then the "teacher" group could be the owner and have full > privilege, and the "student" group as the group with write only. > >>From my reading it looks like there is a max of 3 variables no matter > what, owner, group, and other. This is indicated with the 3 digit code > for permissions such as chmod 755. Sure would be awesome to do a chmod > 75550 if needed :-) I just don't understand how corporate level file > sharing can function with such limited user permissions. But on the > other hand maybe Windows shouldn't have spent so much time on file > permissions and researched how to share AFP worth a crap instead :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Dan Young > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:37 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Student problem > > > On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 05:08, John P. Conlon wrote: > >>Unfortunately the teacher with the problem is an appliance operator. >>Teaching her how to do something is root would be like trying to > > shovel > >>water in the middle of an ocean. The things I am asking about would, > > I > >>think, give her control with out letting her into root. > > > She doesn't need to be root to at least see who is sending her > nasty-grams. /var/log/cups/page_log is world-readable. Either open that > w/ gedit or go look at the cups web interface at : > > http://localhost:631/jobs?which_jobs=completed > > -- > -Dan Young > -Parkrose School District > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haysja at sages.us Wed Apr 28 17:42:46 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:42:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <408FED16.40502@sages.us> From my reading, this requires the installation of ACL code. Is the ACL code part of K12LTSP? If so, how do we implement ACL on our shares? Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I would like to add to the original question #1. When making the drop >folder you are only able to specify an owner and a group. I am a little >frustrated with both OS X and Linux in the fact that you are limited to >only setting permissions for one additional group. Problem is that I >have a folder with the "student" group set to write only, "root" is the >owner with full privilege, now I want to give the "teacher" group >read/write privileges...oops...too bad...I can only specify one group. >Is this truly a limit with Linux or do the gui's limit to only single >group privileges. On Windows I can specify privileges for 15 groups if >I want for a single file or folder, now I am not a Windows fan but this >is a huge benefit (at least in my narrow world). Any suggestions? Also >can I specify a group as an owner instead of a user? This may help >some. Then the "teacher" group could be the owner and have full >privilege, and the "student" group as the group with write only. > >>From my reading it looks like there is a max of 3 variables no matter >what, owner, group, and other. This is indicated with the 3 digit code >for permissions such as chmod 755. Sure would be awesome to do a chmod >75550 if needed :-) I just don't understand how corporate level file >sharing can function with such limited user permissions. But on the >other hand maybe Windows shouldn't have spent so much time on file >permissions and researched how to share AFP worth a crap instead :-) > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 28 17:56:24 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:56:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <005301c42d4a$1f9980c0$1803010a@paasda.org> I'm not sure, but is it not possible for a 'group' to be a member of another 'group' ? or only 'users' can be members of a 'group' ? for instance: group file-- students freshman,sophmore,junior,senior freshman dave,ann,chico sophmore sally,billy,bob etc... does that not work? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:37 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Student problem I would like to add to the original question #1. When making the drop folder you are only able to specify an owner and a group. I am a little frustrated with both OS X and Linux in the fact that you are limited to only setting permissions for one additional group. Problem is that I have a folder with the "student" group set to write only, "root" is the owner with full privilege, now I want to give the "teacher" group read/write privileges...oops...too bad...I can only specify one group. Is this truly a limit with Linux or do the gui's limit to only single group privileges. On Windows I can specify privileges for 15 groups if I want for a single file or folder, now I am not a Windows fan but this is a huge benefit (at least in my narrow world). Any suggestions? Also can I specify a group as an owner instead of a user? This may help some. Then the "teacher" group could be the owner and have full privilege, and the "student" group as the group with write only. >From my reading it looks like there is a max of 3 variables no matter what, owner, group, and other. This is indicated with the 3 digit code for permissions such as chmod 755. Sure would be awesome to do a chmod 75550 if needed :-) I just don't understand how corporate level file sharing can function with such limited user permissions. But on the other hand maybe Windows shouldn't have spent so much time on file permissions and researched how to share AFP worth a crap instead :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Young Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:37 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Student problem On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 05:08, John P. Conlon wrote: > Unfortunately the teacher with the problem is an appliance operator. > Teaching her how to do something is root would be like trying to shovel > water in the middle of an ocean. The things I am asking about would, I > think, give her control with out letting her into root. She doesn't need to be root to at least see who is sending her nasty-grams. /var/log/cups/page_log is world-readable. Either open that w/ gedit or go look at the cups web interface at : http://localhost:631/jobs?which_jobs=completed -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Apr 28 18:25:22 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:25:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <690252AC-9941-11D8-8136-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Look into hard links. Using hard links the same folder can be owned by different people and groups. Since each hard link can have different ownership. What the means is that teachers read them from the teachers folder, but students, or whomever, drop them in a folder with another name and different permissions. > Problem is that I > have a folder with the "student" group set to write only, "root" is the > owner with full privilege, now I want to give the "teacher" group > read/write privileges...oops...too bad...I can only specify one group. > Is this truly a limit with Linux or do the gui's limit to only single > group privileges. On Windows I can specify privileges for 15 groups if > I want for a single file or folder, now I am not a Windows fan but this > is a huge benefit (at least in my narrow world). Any suggestions? > Also > can I specify a group as an owner instead of a user? This may help > some. Then the "teacher" group could be the owner and have full > privilege, and the "student" group as the group with write only. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Apr 28 18:32:25 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:32:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Rekall as replacement for MS Access Message-ID: <408FF8B9.2030905@maltzen.net> All- For those looking for a replacement for MS Access, Rekall is now available under the GPL. Rekall is only a front end for talking to to DBs, such as MySQL, but apparently the intent is to give people (users) an easy way to move away from Access. http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/04/20/1823249.shtml?tid=150&tid=72&tid=82 Petre From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 28 18:51:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:51:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083178308.5911.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 14:36, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I would like to add to the original question #1. When making the drop > folder you are only able to specify an owner and a group. I am a little > frustrated with both OS X and Linux in the fact that you are limited to > only setting permissions for one additional group. Problem is that I > have a folder with the "student" group set to write only, "root" is the > owner with full privilege, now I want to give the "teacher" group > read/write privileges...oops...too bad...I can only specify one group. > Is this truly a limit with Linux or do the gui's limit to only single > group privileges. Traditional unix filesystems only store the owner/group numbers and the permission bits for those plus everyone else - it isn't the GUI that restricts this. Note that your problem comes from wanting a 'group' of owners, though. If each drop is owned by a single teacher, or you make an extra login to own it and give the password to the appropriate people you get the sets of permissions you need and they will stay put with most copy/backup/restore methods. Newer filesystems permit exceptions to the policies through ACL's but in general if you need a lot of exceptions it indicates something is wrong with the policy and if you use them you'll need special support every time you think about moving things. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 28 20:58:53 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:58:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <005301c42d4a$1f9980c0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <001801c42d63$a0678e90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I think you are correct, only problem is that all groups under the "main" group would receive equal permissions, this may not always be desirable. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 10:56 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Student problem I'm not sure, but is it not possible for a 'group' to be a member of another 'group' ? or only 'users' can be members of a 'group' ? for instance: group file-- students freshman,sophmore,junior,senior freshman dave,ann,chico sophmore sally,billy,bob etc... does that not work? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:37 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Student problem I would like to add to the original question #1. When making the drop folder you are only able to specify an owner and a group. I am a little frustrated with both OS X and Linux in the fact that you are limited to only setting permissions for one additional group. Problem is that I have a folder with the "student" group set to write only, "root" is the owner with full privilege, now I want to give the "teacher" group read/write privileges...oops...too bad...I can only specify one group. Is this truly a limit with Linux or do the gui's limit to only single group privileges. On Windows I can specify privileges for 15 groups if I want for a single file or folder, now I am not a Windows fan but this is a huge benefit (at least in my narrow world). Any suggestions? Also can I specify a group as an owner instead of a user? This may help some. Then the "teacher" group could be the owner and have full privilege, and the "student" group as the group with write only. >From my reading it looks like there is a max of 3 variables no matter what, owner, group, and other. This is indicated with the 3 digit code for permissions such as chmod 755. Sure would be awesome to do a chmod 75550 if needed :-) I just don't understand how corporate level file sharing can function with such limited user permissions. But on the other hand maybe Windows shouldn't have spent so much time on file permissions and researched how to share AFP worth a crap instead :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Young Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:37 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Student problem On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 05:08, John P. Conlon wrote: > Unfortunately the teacher with the problem is an appliance operator. > Teaching her how to do something is root would be like trying to shovel > water in the middle of an ocean. The things I am asking about would, I > think, give her control with out letting her into root. She doesn't need to be root to at least see who is sending her nasty-grams. /var/log/cups/page_log is world-readable. Either open that w/ gedit or go look at the cups web interface at : http://localhost:631/jobs?which_jobs=completed -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 28 19:06:12 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:06:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <690252AC-9941-11D8-8136-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <690252AC-9941-11D8-8136-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <1083179171.5911.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 13:25, Burke Almquist wrote: > Look into hard links. > Using hard links the same folder can be owned by different people and > groups. Since each hard link can have different ownership. What the > means is that teachers read them from the teachers folder, but > students, or whomever, drop them in a folder with another name and > different permissions. That can't work. Hard links are just different names (directory entries) for the same inode. The inode contains the owner, group, and permission info as well as the pointers to the data blocks so all hard links must have identical permissions. You can do some tricky things by nesting directories with different groups/group permissions but I'm not sure that would work here. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 28 21:29:41 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:29:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <1083178308.5911.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <001901c42d67$ee1a7810$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I agree with what you are saying, I keep thinking "what am I doing wrong that this doesn't make more sense". No matter what I want every user to have to deal with one username and password combo, anything more just pisses us all off :-) I want the list of share points to be simple when a user logs in and don't want them traversing all over to get access. So if I have a share of 'Drop' with 'TeacherX,Y, and Z' under it I need to let groups "Students" and "Teachers" into share 'Drop'. Then every teacher wants 'ClassX, Y, and Z' under their folder with another set of permissions. I think the main problem is I just confuse myself when I think too much. I will go back and re-evaluate directory structure and try to come up with a more efficient way to propogate users along with permissions given the user,group,other limit. Heck, just even describing this makes me think there is a better way :-) Thanks for the info on the ACL's. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something stupid. > Traditional unix filesystems only store the owner/group numbers and the permission bits for those plus everyone else - it isn't the GUI that > restricts this. Note that your problem comes from wanting a 'group' of owners, though. If each drop is owned by a single teacher, or you make an > extra login to own it and give the password to the appropriate people you get the sets of permissions you need and they will stay put with most > copy/backup/restore methods. > Newer filesystems permit exceptions to the policies through ACL's but in general if you need a lot of exceptions it indicates something is wrong with > the policy and if you use them you'll need special support every time you think about moving things. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 28 21:34:35 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:34:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Another question about groups Message-ID: <001a01c42d68$9cc5e480$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Is there a reason for each user having a group named after them and assigned as a primary group? It just seems like this really clutters up the list of groups for what looks to me like no reason. If there isn't a pressing reason for this can I assign a different group as the default primary group for new users? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed Apr 28 19:52:19 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:52:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Another question about groups In-Reply-To: <001a01c42d68$9cc5e480$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001a01c42d68$9cc5e480$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40900B73.1090709@criticalcontrol.com> There is no 'LINUX' reason. I use the 'users' group as the default group, having 1 group per user is an old habit. Depending on your security model it is sometimes easier to have a group per user. Peter Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Is there a reason for each user having a group named after them and > assigned as a primary group? It just seems like this really clutters > up the list of groups for what looks to me like no reason. If there > isn't a pressing reason for this can I assign a different group as the > default primary group for new users? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Wed Apr 28 19:57:59 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: 28 Apr 2004 15:57:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083182279.2106.117.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 15:36, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I would like to add to the original question #1. When making the drop > folder you are only able to specify an owner and a group. I am a little > frustrated with both OS X and Linux in the fact that you are limited to > only setting permissions for one additional group. Problem is that I > have a folder with the "student" group set to write only, "root" is the > owner with full privilege, now I want to give the "teacher" group > read/write privileges...oops...too bad...I can only specify one group. > Is this truly a limit with Linux or do the gui's limit to only single > group privileges. On Windows I can specify privileges for 15 groups if Users can be in as many groups as you want. The thinking behind it is a little different (instead of different groups having access to a folder think of one group having access to the folder but users being in multiple groups) but it allows you to accomplish pretty much the same thing as with windows. Here's how we do it (as an example): We have five general access levels with each one associated with a group. :level: :primary group: :secondary groups: sysadmins wheel adm,teachers,staff,users netmgrs adm teachers,staff,users teachers teachers staff,users otherstaff staff users students users - By making a user a member not only of their primary group but also a member in all groups below they will have access at their primary level and below - or put another way... Group Name User Names user joe,cindy,susan,fred,john staff cindy,susan,fred,john teacher susan,fred,john adm fred,john root john In the example above the user susan can have access to folders that are owned by any of three groups. By using secondary group memberships you can have the finer access control you are looking for. You do then have the additional task of getting the users into the right groups. We have come up with a system we call usersync that basically has a master server downtown running some php scripts against a mysql backend that generates all the things required to do user management for us on all the local servers. When we add a system (new server) to usersync all global users (syadmin,netmgrs and certain others) are automatically added to the new server. Thereafter users can be added globally to add them to all existing servers or can be added to just one specific server. You may or may not need anything that elaborate. We have over 30 elementary buildings all of which are moving to linux pdc's (and some of the secondary buildings may start moving to linux from win2000 in the next year too) so we needed something like this. At the time we came up with this ldap didn't appear to be as viable an option as it has become more recently. The appearance of ACL's will have a bearing on this in the future too. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 28 20:05:45 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:05:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Another question about groups In-Reply-To: <001a01c42d68$9cc5e480$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001a01c42d68$9cc5e480$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083182745.5911.47.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 16:34, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Is there a reason for each user having a group named after them and > assigned as a primary group? It just seems like this really clutters > up the list of groups for what looks to me like no reason. If there > isn't a pressing reason for this can I assign a different group as the > default primary group for new users? I think RedHat introduced the concept - it wasn't in earlier unix versions. The idea is that it gives each user more control by letting them specify a set of other users to be included in 'their' group, although you still need root permission to make that change. It won't break anything system-wise if you don't follow that convention. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Wed Apr 28 20:05:37 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:05:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Another question about groups In-Reply-To: <1083182745.5911.47.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <001a01c42d68$9cc5e480$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1083182745.5911.47.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40900E91.7000608@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 16:34, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >>Is there a reason for each user having a group named after them and >>assigned as a primary group? >> >> > >I think RedHat introduced the concept > More info: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7-Manual/ref-guide/s1-sysadmin-usr-grps.html#S2-SYSADMIN-PRIV-GROUPS -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 28 22:25:08 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:25:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <1083182279.2106.117.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <002f01c42d6f$acb17fb0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks Mike! This is awesome info. Where do you set up access levels? Or is this just describing theory of how to set up each user with that type of access level? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rambo Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:58 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Student problem On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 15:36, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I would like to add to the original question #1. When making the drop > folder you are only able to specify an owner and a group. I am a > little frustrated with both OS X and Linux in the fact that you are > limited to only setting permissions for one additional group. Problem > is that I have a folder with the "student" group set to write only, > "root" is the owner with full privilege, now I want to give the > "teacher" group read/write privileges...oops...too bad...I can only > specify one group. Is this truly a limit with Linux or do the gui's > limit to only single group privileges. On Windows I can specify > privileges for 15 groups if Users can be in as many groups as you want. The thinking behind it is a little different (instead of different groups having access to a folder think of one group having access to the folder but users being in multiple groups) but it allows you to accomplish pretty much the same thing as with windows. Here's how we do it (as an example): We have five general access levels with each one associated with a group. :level: :primary group: :secondary groups: sysadmins wheel adm,teachers,staff,users netmgrs adm teachers,staff,users teachers teachers staff,users otherstaff staff users students users - By making a user a member not only of their primary group but also a member in all groups below they will have access at their primary level and below - or put another way... Group Name User Names user joe,cindy,susan,fred,john staff cindy,susan,fred,john teacher susan,fred,john adm fred,john root john In the example above the user susan can have access to folders that are owned by any of three groups. By using secondary group memberships you can have the finer access control you are looking for. You do then have the additional task of getting the users into the right groups. We have come up with a system we call usersync that basically has a master server downtown running some php scripts against a mysql backend that generates all the things required to do user management for us on all the local servers. When we add a system (new server) to usersync all global users (syadmin,netmgrs and certain others) are automatically added to the new server. Thereafter users can be added globally to add them to all existing servers or can be added to just one specific server. You may or may not need anything that elaborate. We have over 30 elementary buildings all of which are moving to linux pdc's (and some of the secondary buildings may start moving to linux from win2000 in the next year too) so we needed something like this. At the time we came up with this ldap didn't appear to be as viable an option as it has become more recently. The appearance of ACL's will have a bearing on this in the future too. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From pauldavison at psps.com Wed Apr 28 20:29:50 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:29:50 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <001901c42d67$ee1a7810$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001901c42d67$ee1a7810$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4090143E.4020104@psps.com> Hi Jim, Might I suggest the following (untried, but my brain seems to think it works :) . make all teachers part of the teacher group . set the owner:group for drop to root:teachers . all of the teachers by default have thier own group, so set the owner:group for each teacher directory (Mrs.Smith) to root:mrssmith . set the permissions to 773 (or rwxrwx-wx) This allows any student to drop a file into a teachers drop box, but they cannot read it. The teachers each have access to thier own directory for read and write. If you are going to the level of having a seperate directory for each class the teacher has, then set the owner:group on those directories to mrssmith:mrssmithsclassgroup with the perms set to 730 (rwx-wx---). This would allow only students in the mrssmithclassgroup to save files in that class directory. You could use this method to set the subdirectories up by grade level as well. Linux owner/group/other permissions do seem restrictive at the start, but there is usually a way to make it all behave the way you want within those perameters. It all goes back to how your groups are laid out. Hope this helps Paul Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I agree with what you are saying, I keep thinking "what am I doing wrong > that this doesn't make more sense". No matter what I want every user to > have to deal with one username and password combo, anything more just > pisses us all off :-) I want the list of share points to be simple when > a user logs in and don't want them traversing all over to get access. > So if I have a share of 'Drop' with 'TeacherX,Y, and Z' under it I need > to let groups "Students" and "Teachers" into share 'Drop'. Then every > teacher wants 'ClassX, Y, and Z' under their folder with another set of > permissions. I think the main problem is I just confuse myself when I > think too much. I will go back and re-evaluate directory structure and > try to come up with a more efficient way to propogate users along with > permissions given the user,group,other limit. Heck, just even > describing this makes me think there is a better way :-) > > Thanks for the info on the ACL's. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't > missing something stupid. > > >>Traditional unix filesystems only store the owner/group numbers and > > the permission bits for those plus everyone else - it isn't the GUI that > > >>restricts this. Note that your problem comes from wanting a 'group' > > of owners, though. If each drop is owned by a single teacher, or you > make an > >>extra login to own it and give the password to the appropriate people > > you get the sets of permissions you need and they will stay put with > most > >>copy/backup/restore methods. >>Newer filesystems permit exceptions to the policies through ACL's but > > in general if you need a lot of exceptions it indicates something is > wrong with > the policy and if you use them you'll need special support > every time you think about moving things. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mross at esd165.org Wed Apr 28 23:03:55 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matt Ross) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:03:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Enhancement to squidGuard package to force Google's SafeSearchfeature to be ON Message-ID: <4090385B.50109@esd165.org> Hi Eric. I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this has been answered somewhere already. I was looking at the email below, and attempted to implement it on my existing Squid system for my school. Great idea, but I can't figure out how you got it working... > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active i The above line doesn't make sense to me. Here's my problem: How does "\1\" bring back the requested URL? According to SquidGuard's homepage, %u should do that trick. But neither works for me, only static destinations work... Also, you don't have the third "@", which seems to be required for my rewrites. Perhaps you are running a different version of squidGuard? (I'm using Debian's 1.2.0-1 version of squidGuard, FYI.) If you can give me some hints on why/how this is happening, I'd greatly appreciate it. Otherwise, I'll probably be writing my own redirector for this very purpose. --Matt Eric Rote: >I wrote a patch for squidGuard that enhances the URL re-writting capabilities. >The main purpose of this was to make it possible to force Google's SafeSearch >feature to always be ON. >In the revised squidGuard.conf, I added a new rule that appends "&safe=active" >to any search made at google.com (including images.google.com and >groups.google.com). Here's the new rule: >rewrite google { > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active i > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active i > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active i > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active i > # log google >} >This is made active by adding "rewrite google" in the default acl section >(active by default in the new squidGuard.conf). >I am running these revised packages on my production servers, once I'm >sure that they are fully stable I'll put the packages into the yum/apt >repositories. >If you want to test them out, the package can be found at: > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ >This package will works on K12LTSP 3.1.2 and 4.0.0. >-Eric From mail at beachmail.ca Thu Apr 29 00:04:41 2004 From: mail at beachmail.ca (David Beach) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:04:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client compatibility Message-ID: I see lots of cheap used thin client boxes (ranging from $15 WYSE jobs to $250 Compaq EVO T30s) on eBay. They are nice and small, no fan, etc. I know virtually nothing about LTSP protocols. These talk about running Windows CE, compatible with RDP and ICA 3 protocols and 'support SNMP, DHCP', etc. Will these work with LTSP? Or, can they be made to work with LTSP? What are the 'key words' for LTSP compatibility? If they can work with LTSP, some of these appear to represent a real bargain but, as my mother said, if it sounds too good to be true... David Beach From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 29 00:16:19 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Enhancement to squidGuard package to force Google's SafeSearchfeature to be ON In-Reply-To: <4090385B.50109@esd165.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Matt Ross wrote: >Hi Eric. I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this has been answered >somewhere already. > >I was looking at the email below, and attempted to implement it on my >existing Squid system for my school. Great idea, but I can't figure out >how you got it working... > > > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active i > >The above line doesn't make sense to me. Here's my problem: How does >"\1\" bring back the requested URL? According to SquidGuard's homepage, >%u should do that trick. But neither works for me, only static >destinations work... My squidGuard binary is patched to enable full regular expressions. You can't do back-references (the \1) with the stock squidGuard. >Also, you don't have the third "@", which seems to be required for my >rewrites. Perhaps you are running a different version of squidGuard? >(I'm using Debian's 1.2.0-1 version of squidGuard, FYI.) The third "@" was stripped out somewhere along the way. Don't know if it was me or someone else. Either way, he's my current configs: rewrite google { s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.../search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.../images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.../groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.../news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i } >If you can give me some hints on why/how this is happening, I'd greatly >appreciate it. Otherwise, I'll probably be writing my own redirector for >this very purpose. My source package is at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.0.1/K12LTSP/SRPMS/squidGuard-1.2.0-7.k12ltsp.0.3.1.src.rpm Feel free to swipe it & build a deb. -Eric From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Apr 29 00:27:18 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:27:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client compatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40904BE6.9090801@cmosnetworks.com> If you want to be sure of having a good, functional thin client box, get your hands on some old Pentiums from some used computer store (in the Washington, DC area, two stores, Computer Renaissance and PC Retro, serve that market). More often than not these have LTSP-friendly NICs in them (3Com 3C905's, Intel EtherExpress Pro's, etc.). We have a ton of Pentium 166's with 32MB DRAM, 3C905 NICs, S3 Trio64 video boards, and SoundBlaster 16's in them. They make very good thin clients, and without any additional expense. The folks in Largo, FL have bought used thin client boxes for as low as $5 apiece, but they did their homework long and hard before they actually made any such purchases. So, it might not be too good to be true, but buyer beware. That said, if you want to take this route, what you want to look for is the type of graphics chip, the type of built-in NIC, and the type of sound chip. Also find out how much DRAM is in there (you want a bare minimum of 32MB). They need to support either EtherBoot or PXE, and of course they need to support DHCP (if they say "BOOTP", but not "DHCP", I'd pass). I would recommend against buying anything for which all of this information is not available, as these are the necessary issues to have solved before any LTSP client will actually boot and produce a display for you. Note that, for LTSP, you do not need RDP, ICA, or any of those other proprietary protocols; if you need RDP-type functionality, K12LTSP already includes rdesktop. David Beach wrote: >I see lots of cheap used thin client boxes (ranging from $15 WYSE jobs to >$250 Compaq EVO T30s) on eBay. They are nice and small, no fan, etc. I know >virtually nothing about LTSP protocols. These talk about running Windows CE, >compatible with RDP and ICA 3 protocols and 'support SNMP, DHCP', etc. > >Will these work with LTSP? Or, can they be made to work with LTSP? What are >the 'key words' for LTSP compatibility? If they can work with LTSP, some of >these appear to represent a real bargain but, as my mother said, if it >sounds too good to be true... > >David Beach > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Apr 29 00:29:26 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:29:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client compatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40904C66.2000905@cfl.rr.com> Most of them won't without modification, most of the cheap ones won't even work with Windows Terminal Services or Citrix environments anymore, due to outdated hardware, and incompatible boot protocols. If you don't want to get bogged down, I'd go with LTSP certified thin clients for full plug and play. I've been looking for thin clients, and here's what I've found that's turnkey ready for LTSP. http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ http://www.symbio-technologies.com/shop/index.php?cPath=28 I'm sure there are others, but I'd go with the first, since one of the guys who wrote the code for LTSP also works for disklessworkstations.com. Just a small sample of my limited knowledge on the subject. I look forward to other replies as well. BC David Beach wrote: >I see lots of cheap used thin client boxes (ranging from $15 WYSE jobs to >$250 Compaq EVO T30s) on eBay. They are nice and small, no fan, etc. I know >virtually nothing about LTSP protocols. These talk about running Windows CE, >compatible with RDP and ICA 3 protocols and 'support SNMP, DHCP', etc. > >Will these work with LTSP? Or, can they be made to work with LTSP? What are >the 'key words' for LTSP compatibility? If they can work with LTSP, some of >these appear to represent a real bargain but, as my mother said, if it >sounds too good to be true... > >David Beach > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From julius at turtle.com Thu Apr 29 02:13:26 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] can't apt-get gcc in 4.0 Message-ID: <32806.192.168.1.247.1083204806.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> Dear Folks, I need to get gcc on my k12 4.0 dist-upgraded to 4.0.1 box, but when i try to apt-get it I get an error: gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed actually, cpp is already installed. youm gives me similar error. Any advice is appreciated. julius From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Apr 29 02:41:45 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:41:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Putting folder icons on user desktops Message-ID: <40906B69.5020008@elp.rr.com> I'm still working with the drop folder from the "student problem" messages. Thanks for the info on those but here is my next couple of questions. 1. How can I push a folder icon to a users desktop and have it stay there even is the user resets his destop? 2. Once the folder icon is on the students desktop how can I keep him/her from chucking it into the trash? 3. Our typing teacher teaches 7 classes so I plan to create 7 drop boxes, one for each class. Is there a way that I can put each class's folder only on its desktops? For the person who stated that the room should be rearranged, we have tried to get our district to rewire the room for that reason. They have said no so we're stuck with outlets around the walls. We have arranged the room as best possible but if the teacher leaves her desk to help a student then she has her back to most of the lab and I don't know how you can get around that problem. Thanks Bye Pat From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Apr 29 03:04:37 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:04:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Putting folder icons on user desktops In-Reply-To: <40906B69.5020008@elp.rr.com> References: <40906B69.5020008@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <409070C5.4030007@cfl.rr.com> I'll respond with an alternative to what your propose in question 3. My guess is, everyone likes graphical stuff, so their first inclinations is to do something with the desktop. I hope to read other responses to this thread and learn about that myself. Now to my suggestion. 1. Create a "group" for each different class in "users & groups" configuration however you would normally do that, I like Webmin to do this, but there's a GUI for this administrator tool in GNOME and KDE as well. 2. Edit the group to add the members of the appropriate class by their linux username. 3. For each group created, make a directory under /home for that group 4. chmod 730 /home// for each of the groups corresponding to each classroom Now, from the root GUI, open up nautilus, navigate to /home, right click on the appropriate dropbox, and select make link, then drag it to the desktop, then drag it to "push icon to all desktops" icon. Logout root, save settings on exit. Done, that drop box is on all users' desktop. Not the complete solution you're looking for, but close and functional. Cheers, Brian John P. Conlon wrote: > I'm still working with the drop folder from the "student problem" > messages. Thanks for the info on those but here is my next couple of > questions. > 1. How can I push a folder icon to a users desktop and have it stay > there even is the user resets his destop? > 2. Once the folder icon is on the students desktop how can I keep > him/her from chucking it into the trash? > 3. Our typing teacher teaches 7 classes so I plan to create 7 drop > boxes, one for each class. Is there a way that I can put each class's > folder only on its desktops? > > For the person who stated that the room should be rearranged, we have > tried to get our district to rewire the room for that reason. They > have said no so we're stuck with outlets around the walls. We have > arranged the room as best possible but if the teacher leaves her desk > to help a student then she has her back to most of the lab and I don't > know how you can get around that problem. > Thanks > Bye > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Apr 29 03:09:22 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:09:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Putting folder icons on user desktops In-Reply-To: <409070C5.4030007@cfl.rr.com> References: <40906B69.5020008@elp.rr.com> <409070C5.4030007@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <409071E2.7050503@cfl.rr.com> oops, forgot one step, between 3 and 4 chown Brian Chase wrote: > I'll respond with an alternative to what your propose in question 3. > My guess is, everyone likes graphical stuff, so their first > inclinations is to do something with the desktop. I hope to read > other responses to this thread and learn about that myself. > > Now to my suggestion. > > 1. Create a "group" for each different class in "users & groups" > configuration however you would normally do that, I like Webmin to > do this, but there's a GUI for this administrator tool in GNOME > and KDE as well. > 2. Edit the group to add the members of the appropriate class by > their linux username. > 3. For each group created, make a directory under /home for that group > 4. chmod 730 /home// > > for each of the groups corresponding to each classroom > > Now, from the root GUI, open up nautilus, navigate to /home, right > click on the appropriate dropbox, and select make link, then drag it > to the desktop, then drag it to "push icon to all desktops" icon. > > Logout root, save settings on exit. > > Done, that drop box is on all users' desktop. Not the complete > solution you're looking for, but close and functional. > > Cheers, > > Brian > > > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> I'm still working with the drop folder from the "student problem" >> messages. Thanks for the info on those but here is my next couple of >> questions. >> 1. How can I push a folder icon to a users desktop and have it stay >> there even is the user resets his destop? >> 2. Once the folder icon is on the students desktop how can I keep >> him/her from chucking it into the trash? >> 3. Our typing teacher teaches 7 classes so I plan to create 7 drop >> boxes, one for each class. Is there a way that I can put each >> class's folder only on its desktops? >> >> For the person who stated that the room should be rearranged, we have >> tried to get our district to rewire the room for that reason. They >> have said no so we're stuck with outlets around the walls. We have >> arranged the room as best possible but if the teacher leaves her desk >> to help a student then she has her back to most of the lab and I >> don't know how you can get around that problem. >> Thanks >> Bye >> Pat >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 29 04:50:35 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:50:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <001901c42d67$ee1a7810$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001901c42d67$ee1a7810$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083214234.17219.40.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 16:29, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I agree with what you are saying, I keep thinking "what am I doing wrong > that this doesn't make more sense". No matter what I want every user to > have to deal with one username and password combo, anything more just > pisses us all off :-) I want the list of share points to be simple when > a user logs in and don't want them traversing all over to get access. > So if I have a share of 'Drop' with 'TeacherX,Y, and Z' under it I need > to let groups "Students" and "Teachers" into share 'Drop'. Then every > teacher wants 'ClassX, Y, and Z' under their folder with another set of > permissions. I think the main problem is I just confuse myself when I > think too much. I will go back and re-evaluate directory structure and > try to come up with a more efficient way to propogate users along with > permissions given the user,group,other limit. Heck, just even > describing this makes me think there is a better way :-) One really simple way is a secure setuid program written to take input from one user and deliver it to one or more others. I don't have the hubris to think I could write a better one than the stock email programs you already have, though. Another way would be to put the teachers in each student's group so they have access to the home directories. Then you can make a class_homework directory in each student directory which the teacher(s) can read directly. If you want to reduce the clutter for the teachers, you can make them a class_homework directory full of symlinks to each student's class_homework directory. Then instead of /home/student/class_homework/file, they would find them all in ~/class_homework/student/file. Or, make a central subdirectory for each class with the group for the class and mode drwxr-x---. Under that make a homework directory with the teacher's group mode drwxrws-wt. (chmod g+s to make files take the directory's group, chmod +t so you can't delete files unless you have write access to them). That way anyone that can get past the class directory can write in the homework directory, but can't see the filenames there or delete other files even if they guess the names. I'm not sure I would completely trust this because the directory setgid bit just forces the group as a default and there are ways of copying that would put the student's group back on the file. Also the default 002 umask will leave the files readable by others if the names can be guessed. It would work if the group and modes are set explicitly - this could be done by a program or script that would not need to be setuid. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Apr 29 04:58:17 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:58:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] can't apt-get gcc in 4.0 In-Reply-To: <32806.192.168.1.247.1083204806.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> References: <32806.192.168.1.247.1083204806.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> Message-ID: <40908B69.1020202@magic.fr> I'm having same problem... dgd Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > I need to get gcc on my k12 4.0 dist-upgraded to 4.0.1 box, but when i > try to apt-get it I get an error: > gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed > actually, cpp is already installed. youm gives me similar error. Any > advice is appreciated. julius > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From adfour at mtaonline.net Thu Apr 29 05:40:46 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:40:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] can't apt-get gcc in 4.0 In-Reply-To: <40908B69.1020202@magic.fr> References: <32806.192.168.1.247.1083204806.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> <40908B69.1020202@magic.fr> Message-ID: <1083217246.7001.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> You could uninstall cpp, then do a yum install gcc... might be messy, though. On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 20:58, Dennis Daniels wrote: > I'm having same problem... > dgd > > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > Dear Folks, > > I need to get gcc on my k12 4.0 dist-upgraded to 4.0.1 box, but when i > > try to apt-get it I get an error: > > gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed > > actually, cpp is already installed. youm gives me similar error. Any > > advice is appreciated. julius > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From faengoy at yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 07:03:25 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 109 In-Reply-To: <20040429002731.DBCA573491@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040429070325.72182.qmail@web20724.mail.yahoo.com> "If you want to be sure of having a good, functional thin client box, get your hands on some old Pentiums from some used computer store (in the Washington, DC area, two tores, Computer Renaissance and PC Retro, serve that market). More often than not these have LTSP-friendly NICs in them (3Com 3C905's, Intel EtherExpress Pro's, etc.). We have a on of Pentium 166's with 32MB DRAM, 3C905 NICs, S3 Trio64 video boards, and SoundBlaster 16's in them." I totally agree here. The best purchase I ever made were Dell Optiplex G133s. Thailand's used market is not partivularly great, because computers are still new here, but I got ten of these (could've gotten way more) that had been scrubbed of CDROM and HD by the company offloading them. 10Mb NIC, S3 Trio64V 2MB (which used to require some work to function well, but not anymore), SB16, man everything all built in. I threw them under the desk so noone could see them, bought some used monitors, and BAM! finished. The 10Mb weren't too fast, but they also didn't cause network problems with the server's 100Mb NIC. I actually ran into more funtional problems after upgrading half the NICs to 100Mb, because things started to hang. My 2 Thai Baht. Dan ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Apr 29 07:53:19 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:53:19 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client compatibility References: <40904C66.2000905@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <006e01c42dbf$0a150650$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi list ----- Original Message ----- > I'd go with LTSP certified thin clients for full plug and play. > > I've been looking for thin clients, and here's what I've found that's > turnkey ready for LTSP. > > http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ > http://www.symbio-technologies.com/shop/index.php?cPath=28 I have just started looking into this as well... But I would love to find a reseller in the UK... Every site I have seen so far is from the US and the only ones I have found in the UK are the Compaq t5700... Has anyone in the UK already got some Good 'small' Thin Clients ? If so can anyone point me in the right direction ? Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From mikko.jordman at edu.hel.fi Thu Apr 29 09:06:27 2004 From: mikko.jordman at edu.hel.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:06:27 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client compatibility In-Reply-To: <006e01c42dbf$0a150650$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <40904C66.2000905@cfl.rr.com> <006e01c42dbf$0a150650$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <4090C593.7020508@edu.hel.fi> I don't know if tehy have resellers in UK, but at least we are in EU, should not be too hard. http://www.gadgetcomputer.com/ mikkoj Finland Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >Hi list > >----- Original Message ----- > > >>I'd go with LTSP certified thin clients for full plug and play. >> >>I've been looking for thin clients, and here's what I've found that's >>turnkey ready for LTSP. >> >> http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ >> http://www.symbio-technologies.com/shop/index.php?cPath=28 >> >> > >I have just started looking into this as well... But I would love to find >a reseller in the UK... >Every site I have seen so far is from the US and the only ones I have found >in the UK are the Compaq t5700... >Has anyone in the UK already got some Good 'small' Thin Clients ? >If so can anyone point me in the right direction ? > >Best Regards > > >Gavin Spurgeon >Assistant Systems Administrator >http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk >Tel: 01322 620400 >DDI: 01322 620501 >IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Apr 29 10:36:09 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:36:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rekall as replacement for MS Access In-Reply-To: <408FF8B9.2030905@maltzen.net> References: <408FF8B9.2030905@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4090DA99.2050804@snet.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > All- > For those looking for a replacement for MS Access, Rekall is now > available under the GPL. Rekall is only a front end for talking to to > DBs, such as MySQL, but apparently the intent is to give people (users) > an easy way to move away from Access. > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/04/20/1823249.shtml?tid=150&tid=72&tid=82 > I downloaded this and got it to install. It even starts up the db creation wizard. This is more than I can say for SO's Adabas (downloaded that but can't figure out how to start it). The only thing is, I get an error that it can't connect to either a Mysql or postgresql db to create one. I get as far as telling it what kind (mysql or postgresql), where it is (same machine), and giving it a username and password (tried giving on and leaving blank). That's as far as I get before an error pops up. If I choose mysql it says something about can't connect to the sock. If I choose postgresql it asks,"is it running and accepting connections?" or some such thing. Must I start postgres at the command line first and create a db there before trying to use rekall to edit or manipulate it? I wouldn't know how to go about that. I do know that I have both mysql and postgres support installed. It looks like the gui for rekall would be perfect, if only I could get it to start a db. I would really, really like to have an Access replacement to create my own databases for student info mgmt and for book catalogueing and other stuff, but I just can't get anything to work and I', frustrated. I know nothing about managing or creating databases without a front end, having no experience with any database creatino or manipulation tool other than Acess and Applework's weenie attempt. Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From goblin at scooter.co.nz Thu Apr 29 11:29:37 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (MrGoblin) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:29:37 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Rekall as replacement for MS Access In-Reply-To: <4090DA99.2050804@snet.net> References: <408FF8B9.2030905@maltzen.net> <4090DA99.2050804@snet.net> Message-ID: <4090E721.7040509@scooter.co.nz> anthony baldwin wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > > I wouldn't know how to go about that. > I do know that I have both mysql and postgres support installed. > It looks like the gui for rekall would be perfect, > if only I could get it to start a db. Not having tried rekall myself but I would assume you would need to have the DB backend (mysql) running before you are able to connect to it. Use whatever init sytem you distribution has to start it. Look for a my.cnf file (probably in /etc) and you should find the socket location there. This article may be of some help. http://www.linuxworld.com/story/32629.htm I managed to get OOffice 1.1.1 running with unixODBC after reading the PDF file mentioned in that article. http://www.unixodbc.org/doc/OOoMySQL.pdf Can't say I've tested it heavily but it works and appears to be pretty functional. mRgOBLIN From julius at turtle.com Thu Apr 29 12:26:45 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] can't apt-get gcc in 4.0 In-Reply-To: <1083217246.7001.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Andrew Fournier wrote: > You could uninstall cpp, then do a yum install gcc... might be messy, > though. > > On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 20:58, Dennis Daniels wrote: > > I'm having same problem... > > dgd > > > > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > Dear Folks, > > > I need to get gcc on my k12 4.0 dist-upgraded to 4.0.1 box, but when i > > > try to apt-get it I get an error: > > > gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed > > > actually, cpp is already installed. youm gives me similar error. Any > > > advice is appreciated. julius > > > unistall is messy and what's more, install gcc still doesn't work, because cpp is the wrong version ... julius From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Thu Apr 29 13:46:21 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:46:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI Wordperfect Filter for OO Message-ID: <4091072D.2050909@coll-outao.qc.ca> News Sunday, February 22 2004: Precompiled Fedora and Windows WriterPerfect binaries now on the download page . Friday, February 20 2004: Integrated OpenOffice.org filter ("WriterPerfect") released. Precompiled RPM binaries are now available for Ximian OpenOffice.org 1.1 . RedHat Fedora and Windows binaries are right around the corner.. I tried it, imports tables, no images or drawings, formatting needs rework but its a work in progress :-) , keep up to good work! From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 29 13:49:39 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:49:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FYI Wordperfect Filter for OO In-Reply-To: <4091072D.2050909@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <4091072D.2050909@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <63325.170.211.161.223.1083246579.squirrel@170.211.161.223> WOOHOO!! -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 29 13:53:32 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:53:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <1083214234.17219.40.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <002c01c42df1$5ef79a70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Ya know, I am starting to realize the real problem I am having. I can't find a way to do what I want with minimal interaction, my problem is being lazy :-) Thanks for all your suggestions, I am sure I have enough info to do exactly what I want now, I just need to determine how much work I want to do maintaining groups and access levels. Thanks again for your help in understanding linux permissions. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 11:51 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Student problem On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 16:29, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I agree with what you are saying, I keep thinking "what am I doing > wrong that this doesn't make more sense". No matter what I want every > user to have to deal with one username and password combo, anything > more just pisses us all off :-) I want the list of share points to be > simple when a user logs in and don't want them traversing all over to > get access. So if I have a share of 'Drop' with 'TeacherX,Y, and Z' > under it I need to let groups "Students" and "Teachers" into share > 'Drop'. Then every teacher wants 'ClassX, Y, and Z' under their > folder with another set of permissions. I think the main problem is I > just confuse myself when I think too much. I will go back and > re-evaluate directory structure and try to come up with a more > efficient way to propogate users along with permissions given the > user,group,other limit. Heck, just even describing this makes me > think there is a better way :-) One really simple way is a secure setuid program written to take input from one user and deliver it to one or more others. I don't have the hubris to think I could write a better one than the stock email programs you already have, though. Another way would be to put the teachers in each student's group so they have access to the home directories. Then you can make a class_homework directory in each student directory which the teacher(s) can read directly. If you want to reduce the clutter for the teachers, you can make them a class_homework directory full of symlinks to each student's class_homework directory. Then instead of /home/student/class_homework/file, they would find them all in ~/class_homework/student/file. Or, make a central subdirectory for each class with the group for the class and mode drwxr-x---. Under that make a homework directory with the teacher's group mode drwxrws-wt. (chmod g+s to make files take the directory's group, chmod +t so you can't delete files unless you have write access to them). That way anyone that can get past the class directory can write in the homework directory, but can't see the filenames there or delete other files even if they guess the names. I'm not sure I would completely trust this because the directory setgid bit just forces the group as a default and there are ways of copying that would put the student's group back on the file. Also the default 002 umask will leave the files readable by others if the names can be guessed. It would work if the group and modes are set explicitly - this could be done by a program or script that would not need to be setuid. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From john at coronet.co.uk Thu Apr 29 14:10:41 2004 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: 29 Apr 2004 15:10:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client compatibility Message-ID: <1083247841.4818.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Gavin, Optoma Europe, in Watford, are selling ST320s (= Jammin 125). They also have integrated flat-screen units. Contact Birthe Mortensen on 01923-691886 or Paul Saunders . I have 2 ST320s running K12LTSP without a hiccup for months. Regards, John Ingleby ************ CoroNet Information Sysytems Ltd Kings Langley, UK From pauldavison at psps.com Thu Apr 29 14:28:40 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:28:40 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <002c01c42df1$5ef79a70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002c01c42df1$5ef79a70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40911118.7030502@psps.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: I just need to determine how much > work I want to do maintaining groups and access levels. > And there is the true deciding factor! :) My top questions when faced with a problem like this are: 1. What is the simple solution 2. How much complexity do I want to add to my job in order to provide this simple solution 3. How do I automate the solution to make management easy If you can come up with a consistent user/group strategy that offers you the flexibility and security you need, and then create or find a script for adding,updating,deleting users that will automate the procedure, you will have won the battle. I nice script that does your group assignments based on class lists would probably help a lot as well. Cheers Paul From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 29 14:39:52 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:39:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] can't apt-get gcc in 4.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083249592.21561.23.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 05:26, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Andrew Fournier wrote: > > > You could uninstall cpp, then do a yum install gcc... might be messy, > > though. > > > > On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 20:58, Dennis Daniels wrote: > > > I'm having same problem... > > > dgd > > > > > > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > > Dear Folks, > > > > I need to get gcc on my k12 4.0 dist-upgraded to 4.0.1 box, but when i > > > > try to apt-get it I get an error: > > > > gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed > > > > actually, cpp is already installed. youm gives me similar error. Any > > > > advice is appreciated. julius > > > > > unistall is messy and what's more, install gcc still doesn't work, because > cpp is the wrong version ... julius What apt/yum repository are you guys pointing to? I just tested mime & had no problems installing cpp, gcc, etc. /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources: yum k12ltsp ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora/ /etc/apt/sources.list.d/k12ltsp.list: rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ yum/fedora k12ltsp os updates non-free extras -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Thu Apr 29 14:55:52 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: 29 Apr 2004 10:55:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student problem In-Reply-To: <1083182279.2106.117.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <001101c42d58$25457f20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1083182279.2106.117.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <1083250551.2105.178.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> RE: [K12OSN] Student problem From: "Jim Kronebusch" To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Student problem Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:25:08 -0700 Thanks Mike! This is awesome info. Where do you set up access levels? Or is this just describing theory of how to set up each user with that type of access level? Sorry it's taken so long to respond. Our mail server's hard drive died yesterday. It's back up now but all incoming mail bounced since 4pm yesterday. Looks like I might not even be subscribed anymore. I copied this from the list archives. Yes, I guess this was more a theoretical description of what we do. The "access levels" are created at your whim to fit whatever access pattern you want. All access is controlled by a combination of unix permissions and samba controls (read list - write list). We wanted: students: member of users. Has read-only access everywhere except for public and other very specific folders (like AR data). staff: building staff like secretaries etc. We use a generic share that is no-access for students but full access otherwise. It's like public except no student access. This defines those users who can access that share. teachers: we have one share that it has been decided the students need read access to but building secretaries do not need at all. Teachers can write lessons to this folder, students can read them, secretaries are no access. netmgrs: Tech staff (both global in the tech dept and local building "network managers" can write at this level. This is mostly used by our dept to install apps to the server. sysadmin: These folks can do it all. They are members of root, wheel and all the above groups. I've listed these in order of access level within our structure from lowest to highest. Any user in a higher group is automatically also a member of all other lower groups. Different shares are mapped when the user logs on from the client depending upon their membership in the various groups. >From the client end we are still a very windows centric district. Even though I have a set of scripts that manage user specific mounting of server resources at logon time with ltsp we presently do not use them. I don't know when (or if) we'll ever be able to move to any client other than windows. I hope some of this helps. I can give you more of our setup but this is already quite long in this forum. I have developed a script which fully (or nearly so) configures our PDC's for us. We do the basic install of the distro of choice and only need to make sure that it includes samba version 3, dhcpd server, and bind, and that it has a valid ip address on one interface and a valid hostname. The script then sets up samba as a PDC (including automatic on-the-fly logon batch file creation), dhcpd for our network, and bind for dynamic dns (no zone transfers right now). The scripts may not be useful for you directly but they may serve to explain how to go about some of this if you want to study them. Say so and I can make them available somehow. Mike -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces redhat com [mailto:k12osn-bounces redhat com] On Behalf Of Mike Rambo Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:58 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Student problem On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 15:36, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I would like to add to the original question #1. When making the drop > folder you are only able to specify an owner and a group. I am a > little frustrated with both OS X and Linux in the fact that you are > limited to only setting permissions for one additional group. Problem > is that I have a folder with the "student" group set to write only, > "root" is the owner with full privilege, now I want to give the > "teacher" group read/write privileges...oops...too bad...I can only > specify one group. Is this truly a limit with Linux or do the gui's > limit to only single group privileges. On Windows I can specify > privileges for 15 groups if Users can be in as many groups as you want. The thinking behind it is a little different (instead of different groups having access to a folder think of one group having access to the folder but users being in multiple groups) but it allows you to accomplish pretty much the same thing as with windows. Here's how we do it (as an example): We have five general access levels with each one associated with a group. :level::primary group::secondary groups: sysadminswheeladm,teachers,staff,users netmgrsadmteachers,staff,users teachersteachersstaff,users otherstaffstaffusers studentsusers- By making a user a member not only of their primary group but also a member in all groups below they will have access at their primary level and below - or put another way... Group NameUser Names userjoe,cindy,susan,fred,john staffcindy,susan,fred,john teachersusan,fred,john admfred,john rootjohn In the example above the user susan can have access to folders that are owned by any of three groups. By using secondary group memberships you can have the finer access control you are looking for. You do then have the additional task of getting the users into the right groups. We have come up with a system we call usersync that basically has a master server downtown running some php scripts against a mysql backend that generates all the things required to do user management for us on all the local servers. When we add a system (new server) to usersync all global users (syadmin,netmgrs and certain others) are automatically added to the new server. Thereafter users can be added globally to add them to all existing servers or can be added to just one specific server. You may or may not need anything that elaborate. We have over 30 elementary buildings all of which are moving to linux pdc's (and some of the secondary buildings may start moving to linux from win2000 in the next year too) so we needed something like this. At the time we came up with this ldap didn't appear to be as viable an option as it has become more recently. The appearance of ACL's will have a bearing on this in the future too. From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Apr 29 15:02:03 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:02:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client compatibility In-Reply-To: <4090C593.7020508@edu.hel.fi> References: <40904C66.2000905@cfl.rr.com> <006e01c42dbf$0a150650$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <4090C593.7020508@edu.hel.fi> Message-ID: <409118EB.3050807@cfl.rr.com> I'd distinguish between product offerings that claim they "could" be an LTSP thin client compared to one that "is designed" to be one. These mini PC's are not designed for it, however you probably could build an LTSP boot floppy for one, but that is a kludge and a half. Cheers, BC Mikko Jordman wrote: > I don't know if tehy have resellers in UK, but at least we are in EU, > should not be too hard. > > http://www.gadgetcomputer.com/ > > mikkoj Finland > > Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > >>Hi list >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>I'd go with LTSP certified thin clients for full plug and play. >>> >>>I've been looking for thin clients, and here's what I've found that's >>>turnkey ready for LTSP. >>> >>> http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ >>> http://www.symbio-technologies.com/shop/index.php?cPath=28 >>> >>> >> >>I have just started looking into this as well... But I would love to find >>a reseller in the UK... >>Every site I have seen so far is from the US and the only ones I have found >>in the UK are the Compaq t5700... >>Has anyone in the UK already got some Good 'small' Thin Clients ? >>If so can anyone point me in the right direction ? >> >>Best Regards >> >> >>Gavin Spurgeon >>Assistant Systems Administrator >>http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk >>Tel: 01322 620400 >>DDI: 01322 620501 >>IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Apr 29 15:03:03 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:03:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client compatibility In-Reply-To: <1083247841.4818.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1083247841.4818.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <40911927.8000007@cfl.rr.com> These are well documented to be excellent LTSP thin clients. John Ingleby wrote: >Gavin, > >Optoma Europe, in Watford, are selling ST320s (= Jammin 125). They also >have integrated flat-screen units. > >Contact Birthe Mortensen on 01923-691886 >or Paul Saunders . > >I have 2 ST320s running K12LTSP without a hiccup for months. > >Regards, > >John Ingleby >************ >CoroNet Information Sysytems Ltd >Kings Langley, UK > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 29 16:26:24 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:26:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question Message-ID: <004c01c42e06$ba20f4e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Last problem I seem to be having is that when a student drops homework into /home/drop/teacher1/class1 folder which is owned by teacher1 and group teacher1 with Set Uid and Gid checked, the file the student drops is still owned by the student. I would like the user and group set to teacher1. The reason being that if the student still owns the file the teacher cannot delete it, and it messes with the students user quota. Once in the drop folder it is the teachers responsibility to remove the file and no longer the students, so I believe these files should affect teacher quotas not the student. So how do I set any file dropped in this folder to reset the owner and group to that of the enclosing folder? I would like to not have a script option, but something via chmod or whatever is immediate. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 29 17:09:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:09:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question In-Reply-To: <004c01c42e06$ba20f4e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004c01c42e06$ba20f4e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083258541.16228.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 11:26, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Last problem I seem to be having is that when a student drops > homework into /home/drop/teacher1/class1 folder which is > owned by teacher1 and group teacher1 with Set Uid and Gid > checked, the file the student drops is still owned by the > student. If you have setgid on the directory, it should force the default for new file creation to the group of the directory. However, it does not force it to stay that way and many copying tools will reset the group/owner/modes after the copy to match the source file or at least as close as permissions allow. One way to fix things would be a cron job running as root every few minutes that would go to this directory, turn off any setuid bits and change owership of all files to the teacher. Note that this does set up the potential for any student to blow the teacher's quota (which is why you normally can't give files away). If you really want to control ownership as the file is dropped, you could make a samba share on the same or a different machine and smbmount it as the drop location. Samba has all the options you need to force the owner/group as files are written and the teacher could either access through the mount or directly. This would also work in a situation where some of the students use windows, some linux because the windows boxes could also map the shared directory with the same restricted access. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 29 17:10:39 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:10:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question In-Reply-To: <004c01c42e06$ba20f4e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001401c42e0c$e5dbf7a0$1803010a@paasda.org> think you'd be looking at a cron solution there? something run'n every hour to automagically chown and chgrp? --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:26 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question Last problem I seem to be having is that when a student drops homework into /home/drop/teacher1/class1 folder which is owned by teacher1 and group teacher1 with Set Uid and Gid checked, the file the student drops is still owned by the student. I would like the user and group set to teacher1. The reason being that if the student still owns the file the teacher cannot delete it, and it messes with the students user quota. Once in the drop folder it is the teachers responsibility to remove the file and no longer the students, so I believe these files should affect teacher quotas not the student. So how do I set any file dropped in this folder to reset the owner and group to that of the enclosing folder? I would like to not have a script option, but something via chmod or whatever is immediate. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 29 17:56:12 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:56:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question In-Reply-To: <001401c42e0c$e5dbf7a0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <007e01c42e13$455dd490$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Okay, if I set a cron to run: chown -R teacher1 /home/Drop/Teacher1 This does what I want. Only problem now is creating a cron for every teachers drop folder. How would I write a cron that will run on /home/Drop and look at the owner of folder TeacherX and automatically recursively set any files under that folder with the owner of the enclosing folder? Does that make sense? That way if Teacher1 is owned by user Teacher1 the cron will figure that out and substitute this in, or if Teacher2 is owned by Teacher2, you get the point. Can one enter a variable for owner? Or do I just have to buck-up and write one for every teacher drop created? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:11 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question think you'd be looking at a cron solution there? something run'n every hour to automagically chown and chgrp? --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:26 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question Last problem I seem to be having is that when a student drops homework into /home/drop/teacher1/class1 folder which is owned by teacher1 and group teacher1 with Set Uid and Gid checked, the file the student drops is still owned by the student. I would like the user and group set to teacher1. The reason being that if the student still owns the file the teacher cannot delete it, and it messes with the students user quota. Once in the drop folder it is the teachers responsibility to remove the file and no longer the students, so I believe these files should affect teacher quotas not the student. So how do I set any file dropped in this folder to reset the owner and group to that of the enclosing folder? I would like to not have a script option, but something via chmod or whatever is immediate. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 29 17:56:28 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:56:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question In-Reply-To: <007e01c42e13$455dd490$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <002501c42e13$4c2b9f00$1803010a@paasda.org> ack...wasn't thinking about each teacher and class...sorry... likely will have to write a script that does it for each teacher/class and then cron the script --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:56 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question Okay, if I set a cron to run: chown -R teacher1 /home/Drop/Teacher1 This does what I want. Only problem now is creating a cron for every teachers drop folder. How would I write a cron that will run on /home/Drop and look at the owner of folder TeacherX and automatically recursively set any files under that folder with the owner of the enclosing folder? Does that make sense? That way if Teacher1 is owned by user Teacher1 the cron will figure that out and substitute this in, or if Teacher2 is owned by Teacher2, you get the point. Can one enter a variable for owner? Or do I just have to buck-up and write one for every teacher drop created? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:11 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question think you'd be looking at a cron solution there? something run'n every hour to automagically chown and chgrp? --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:26 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question Last problem I seem to be having is that when a student drops homework into /home/drop/teacher1/class1 folder which is owned by teacher1 and group teacher1 with Set Uid and Gid checked, the file the student drops is still owned by the student. I would like the user and group set to teacher1. The reason being that if the student still owns the file the teacher cannot delete it, and it messes with the students user quota. Once in the drop folder it is the teachers responsibility to remove the file and no longer the students, so I believe these files should affect teacher quotas not the student. So how do I set any file dropped in this folder to reset the owner and group to that of the enclosing folder? I would like to not have a script option, but something via chmod or whatever is immediate. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From csitech at davisny.edu Thu Apr 29 18:09:00 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park, ADCS) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:09:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI Wordperfect Filter for OO In-Reply-To: <4091072D.2050909@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <4091072D.2050909@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <1083262140.2168.0.camel@localhost> That's the best thing I've heard from OO.o in quite a while! Excellent. On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 09:46, Guy Lessard wrote: > News > > Sunday, February 22 2004: Precompiled Fedora and Windows WriterPerfect > binaries now on the download page > . > > Friday, February 20 2004: Integrated OpenOffice.org filter > ("WriterPerfect") released. Precompiled RPM binaries are now available > for Ximian OpenOffice.org 1.1 . RedHat Fedora and > Windows binaries are right around the corner.. > > I tried it, imports tables, no images or drawings, formatting needs > rework but its a work in progress :-) , keep up to good work! > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 29 18:22:39 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:22:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question In-Reply-To: <007e01c42e13$455dd490$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007e01c42e13$455dd490$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <409147EF.1070708@maltzen.net> Off the top of my head... #!/bin/bash for x in /home/Drop/* do owner=${x##*/} chown -R $owner $x done Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Okay, if I set a cron to run: > chown -R teacher1 /home/Drop/Teacher1 > This does what I want. Only problem now is creating a cron for every > teachers drop folder. How would I write a cron that will run on > /home/Drop and look at the owner of folder TeacherX and automatically > recursively set any files under that folder with the owner of the > enclosing folder? Does that make sense? That way if Teacher1 is owned > by user Teacher1 the cron will figure that out and substitute this in, > or if Teacher2 is owned by Teacher2, you get the point. Can one enter a > variable for owner? Or do I just have to buck-up and write one for > every teacher drop created? > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > *On Behalf Of *Huck > *Sent:* Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:11 PM > *To:* 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > *Subject:* RE: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question > > think you'd be looking at a cron solution there? > something run'n every hour to automagically chown and chgrp? > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Kronebusch > *Sent:* Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:26 AM > *To:* k12osn at redhat.com > *Subject:* [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question > > Last problem I seem to be having is that when a student drops > homework into /home/drop/teacher1/class1 folder which is owned > by teacher1 and group teacher1 with Set Uid and Gid checked, the > file the student drops is still owned by the student. I would > like the user and group set to teacher1. The reason being that > if the student still owns the file the teacher cannot delete it, > and it messes with the students user quota. Once in the drop > folder it is the teachers responsibility to remove the file and > no longer the students, so I believe these files should affect > teacher quotas not the student. So how do I set any file > dropped in this folder to reset the owner and group to that of > the enclosing folder? I would like to not have a script option, > but something via chmod or whatever is immediate. > > Thanks > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 29 18:29:48 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:29:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question In-Reply-To: <409147EF.1070708@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <008d01c42e17$f6fa2290$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I'll give it a try this afternoon. Is this a script to run as a cron? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:23 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question Off the top of my head... #!/bin/bash for x in /home/Drop/* do owner=${x##*/} chown -R $owner $x done Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Okay, if I set a cron to run: > chown -R teacher1 /home/Drop/Teacher1 > This does what I want. Only problem now is creating a cron for every > teachers drop folder. How would I write a cron that will run on > /home/Drop and look at the owner of folder TeacherX and automatically > recursively set any files under that folder with the owner of the > enclosing folder? Does that make sense? That way if Teacher1 is owned > by user Teacher1 the cron will figure that out and substitute this in, > or if Teacher2 is owned by Teacher2, you get the point. Can one enter a > variable for owner? Or do I just have to buck-up and write one for > every teacher drop created? > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > *On Behalf Of *Huck > *Sent:* Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:11 PM > *To:* 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > *Subject:* RE: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question > > think you'd be looking at a cron solution there? > something run'n every hour to automagically chown and chgrp? > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Kronebusch > *Sent:* Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:26 AM > *To:* k12osn at redhat.com > *Subject:* [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question > > Last problem I seem to be having is that when a student drops > homework into /home/drop/teacher1/class1 folder which is owned > by teacher1 and group teacher1 with Set Uid and Gid checked, the > file the student drops is still owned by the student. I would > like the user and group set to teacher1. The reason being that > if the student still owns the file the teacher cannot delete it, > and it messes with the students user quota. Once in the drop > folder it is the teachers responsibility to remove the file and > no longer the students, so I believe these files should affect > teacher quotas not the student. So how do I set any file > dropped in this folder to reset the owner and group to that of > the enclosing folder? I would like to not have a script option, > but something via chmod or whatever is immediate. > > Thanks > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 29 18:40:48 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:40:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question In-Reply-To: <008d01c42e17$f6fa2290$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <008d01c42e17$f6fa2290$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40914C30.1030200@maltzen.net> Yes, put this in a file, put the file in, say, /usr/local/bin, and then call it via root's crontab. BTW, after looking at the script I suggested, it occurs to me that this would be better: #!/bin/bash for file in /home/Drop/* do owner=$(ls -ld $file|awk '{print $3}') chown -R $owner $file done The problem with my first draft is if there is a directory in which the owner is not the same name as the directory itself. For example: drwx------ 4 jwilliams user2 4096 Aug 21 2003 /home/user2/ Here jwilliams is the owner but the directory is named user2; my first draft would fail on this one. This may not be an issue for you, but the revised version is more precise, so use that one. I also changed the variable name from x to file to make it easier to read. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I'll give it a try this afternoon. Is this a script to run as a cron? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Petre Scheie > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:23 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question > > > Off the top of my head... > > #!/bin/bash > for x in /home/Drop/* > do > owner=${x##*/} > chown -R $owner $x > done > > Petre > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >>Okay, if I set a cron to run: >>chown -R teacher1 /home/Drop/Teacher1 >>This does what I want. Only problem now is creating a cron for every >>teachers drop folder. How would I write a cron that will run on >>/home/Drop and look at the owner of folder TeacherX and automatically >>recursively set any files under that folder with the owner of the >>enclosing folder? Does that make sense? That way if Teacher1 is > > owned > >>by user Teacher1 the cron will figure that out and substitute this in, > > >>or if Teacher2 is owned by Teacher2, you get the point. Can one enter > > a > >>variable for owner? Or do I just have to buck-up and write one for >>every teacher drop created? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > >> *On Behalf Of *Huck >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:11 PM >> *To:* 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >> *Subject:* RE: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question >> >> think you'd be looking at a cron solution there? >> something run'n every hour to automagically chown and chgrp? >> >> --Huck >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim > > Kronebusch > >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:26 AM >> *To:* k12osn at redhat.com >> *Subject:* [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question >> >> Last problem I seem to be having is that when a student drops >> homework into /home/drop/teacher1/class1 folder which is owned >> by teacher1 and group teacher1 with Set Uid and Gid checked, > > the > >> file the student drops is still owned by the student. I would >> like the user and group set to teacher1. The reason being > > that > >> if the student still owns the file the teacher cannot delete > > it, > >> and it messes with the students user quota. Once in the drop >> folder it is the teachers responsibility to remove the file > > and > >> no longer the students, so I believe these files should affect >> teacher quotas not the student. So how do I set any file >> dropped in this folder to reset the owner and group to that of >> the enclosing folder? I would like to not have a script > > option, > >> but something via chmod or whatever is immediate. >> >> Thanks >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 29 18:43:47 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:43:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question In-Reply-To: <008d01c42e17$f6fa2290$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <008e01c42e19$eb5bab50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I tried it and it works as I had asked. A little hindsight is that with this script it must take the folder name and use it as the user variable. This will make it tougher for a student to have to know a teachers username to find the drop such as teacher1 not Mr. Teacher. But this is what I asked for :-) If you know a way to have it look at the owner of the enclosing folder instead of the name that would help. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:30 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question I'll give it a try this afternoon. Is this a script to run as a cron? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:23 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question Off the top of my head... #!/bin/bash for x in /home/Drop/* do owner=${x##*/} chown -R $owner $x done Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Okay, if I set a cron to run: > chown -R teacher1 /home/Drop/Teacher1 > This does what I want. Only problem now is creating a cron for every > teachers drop folder. How would I write a cron that will run on > /home/Drop and look at the owner of folder TeacherX and automatically > recursively set any files under that folder with the owner of the > enclosing folder? Does that make sense? That way if Teacher1 is owned > by user Teacher1 the cron will figure that out and substitute this in, > or if Teacher2 is owned by Teacher2, you get the point. Can one enter a > variable for owner? Or do I just have to buck-up and write one for > every teacher drop created? > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > *On Behalf Of *Huck > *Sent:* Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:11 PM > *To:* 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > *Subject:* RE: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question > > think you'd be looking at a cron solution there? > something run'n every hour to automagically chown and chgrp? > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Kronebusch > *Sent:* Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:26 AM > *To:* k12osn at redhat.com > *Subject:* [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question > > Last problem I seem to be having is that when a student drops > homework into /home/drop/teacher1/class1 folder which is owned > by teacher1 and group teacher1 with Set Uid and Gid checked, the > file the student drops is still owned by the student. I would > like the user and group set to teacher1. The reason being that > if the student still owns the file the teacher cannot delete it, > and it messes with the students user quota. Once in the drop > folder it is the teachers responsibility to remove the file and > no longer the students, so I believe these files should affect > teacher quotas not the student. So how do I set any file > dropped in this folder to reset the owner and group to that of > the enclosing folder? I would like to not have a script option, > but something via chmod or whatever is immediate. > > Thanks > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 29 21:14:37 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:14:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question In-Reply-To: <40914C30.1030200@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <00ae01c42e2e$fd4ef500$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks Petre it works perfect. This list is awesome!! -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:41 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question Yes, put this in a file, put the file in, say, /usr/local/bin, and then call it via root's crontab. BTW, after looking at the script I suggested, it occurs to me that this would be better: #!/bin/bash for file in /home/Drop/* do owner=$(ls -ld $file|awk '{print $3}') chown -R $owner $file done The problem with my first draft is if there is a directory in which the owner is not the same name as the directory itself. For example: drwx------ 4 jwilliams user2 4096 Aug 21 2003 /home/user2/ Here jwilliams is the owner but the directory is named user2; my first draft would fail on this one. This may not be an issue for you, but the revised version is more precise, so use that one. I also changed the variable name from x to file to make it easier to read. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I'll give it a try this afternoon. Is this a script to run as a cron? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Petre Scheie > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:23 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question > > > Off the top of my head... > > #!/bin/bash > for x in /home/Drop/* > do > owner=${x##*/} > chown -R $owner $x > done > > Petre > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >>Okay, if I set a cron to run: >>chown -R teacher1 /home/Drop/Teacher1 >>This does what I want. Only problem now is creating a cron for every >>teachers drop folder. How would I write a cron that will run on >>/home/Drop and look at the owner of folder TeacherX and automatically >>recursively set any files under that folder with the owner of the >>enclosing folder? Does that make sense? That way if Teacher1 is > > owned > >>by user Teacher1 the cron will figure that out and substitute this in, > > >>or if Teacher2 is owned by Teacher2, you get the point. Can one enter > > a > >>variable for owner? Or do I just have to buck-up and write one for >>every teacher drop created? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > >> *On Behalf Of *Huck >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:11 PM >> *To:* 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >> *Subject:* RE: [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question >> >> think you'd be looking at a cron solution there? >> something run'n every hour to automagically chown and chgrp? >> >> --Huck >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim > > Kronebusch > >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:26 AM >> *To:* k12osn at redhat.com >> *Subject:* [K12OSN] Hopefully the last permission question >> >> Last problem I seem to be having is that when a student drops >> homework into /home/drop/teacher1/class1 folder which is owned >> by teacher1 and group teacher1 with Set Uid and Gid checked, > > the > >> file the student drops is still owned by the student. I would >> like the user and group set to teacher1. The reason being > > that > >> if the student still owns the file the teacher cannot delete > > it, > >> and it messes with the students user quota. Once in the drop >> folder it is the teachers responsibility to remove the file > > and > >> no longer the students, so I believe these files should affect >> teacher quotas not the student. So how do I set any file >> dropped in this folder to reset the owner and group to that of >> the enclosing folder? I would like to not have a script > > option, > >> but something via chmod or whatever is immediate. >> >> Thanks >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mross at esd165.org Thu Apr 29 23:54:44 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:54:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Enhancement to squidGuard package to force Google's SafeSearchfeature to be ON In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <409195C4.2050209@esd165.org> Ha! Well, I was having lots of trouble getting this to work. Your patch worked fine, everything built fine... it installed fine... but it just wouldn't go. I was tairing my hair out. So, I was reading around, and found that the correct action for a redirector is either to return the redirected URL, or return a blank line if the current URL is to be untouched. There's where my problem was. I was already using AdZapper, and I just added a second "redirect_program" line for squidGuard. Squidguard was getting blank lines to redirect. No wonder it didn't work! (Bangs head on keyboard) Well, thanks again. I'll be spending some time figuring out how to run adzapper along side squidGuard, or just drop adzapper altogether. --Matt Eric Harrison wrote: >On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Matt Ross wrote: > > > >>Hi Eric. I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this has been answered >>somewhere already. >> >>I was looking at the email below, and attempted to implement it on my >>existing Squid system for my school. Great idea, but I can't figure out >>how you got it working... >> >> >> >>> s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active i >>> >>> >>The above line doesn't make sense to me. Here's my problem: How does >>"\1\" bring back the requested URL? According to SquidGuard's homepage, >>%u should do that trick. But neither works for me, only static >>destinations work... >> >> > >My squidGuard binary is patched to enable full regular expressions. >You can't do back-references (the \1) with the stock squidGuard. > > > >>Also, you don't have the third "@", which seems to be required for my >>rewrites. Perhaps you are running a different version of squidGuard? >>(I'm using Debian's 1.2.0-1 version of squidGuard, FYI.) >> >> > >The third "@" was stripped out somewhere along the way. Don't know if >it was me or someone else. Either way, he's my current configs: > > > rewrite google { > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.../search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.../images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.../groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.../news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > } > > > > >>If you can give me some hints on why/how this is happening, I'd greatly >>appreciate it. Otherwise, I'll probably be writing my own redirector for >>this very purpose. >> >> > >My source package is at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.0.1/K12LTSP/SRPMS/squidGuard-1.2.0-7.k12ltsp.0.3.1.src.rpm > >Feel free to swipe it & build a deb. > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Apr 30 00:16:53 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:46:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? Message-ID: <1083284213.3275.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many ardent K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... practise what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is beyond your control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of showing your support. As I said no flames please. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 29 20:10:59 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:10:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting involved with K12 Documentation In-Reply-To: <20040428070717.8823.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040428070717.8823.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04042916115500.08555@newguy> course a good one would be playing nice with macintosh........and winders (winbind pam_mount samba)chuck From jimsd at ltsp.com Fri Apr 30 07:22:06 2004 From: jimsd at ltsp.com (Jim Doyle) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:22:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Evolution cut and paste Message-ID: <1083309726.11640.2.camel@server.ltsp> Using: LTSP RH Fedora Core 1. Evolution Ver 1.4.5 It was working. Something must have changed. 1. I highlight the following data from "k12ltsp" list. Server specs: Dual Xeon 2.6g 4 gig pc2100 Raid 5 with 3 36 gig hard drives 2. I paste it into gedit and vi and get the following in both editors. Server specs:Dual Xeon 2.6g4 gig pc2100Raid 5 with 3 36 gig hard drives It looks like I have a LF/CR problem. I checked and changing the following: A. Under menu item "View", Character Encoding,Unicode (UTF-7) ... no change. B. I also tried (UTF-8) also no change. C. Under menu item "Tools", setting, Mail Preferences, General, Default character encoding: Unicode (UTF-7) ... no change. D. I also tried (UTF-8) also no change. Questions Is there a better list I should use to ask this question? Should I reinstall Evolution if so what is the best way to keep all my old email? Since I want to use as much Linux as possible and Evolution comes with LTSP I used it. Should I consider another mail client? I used and liked Eudora in Windows. Mozilla mail is a consideration. From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Apr 30 09:18:34 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:48:34 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Evolution cut and paste In-Reply-To: <1083309726.11640.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1083309726.11640.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1083316714.28390.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 12:52, Jim Doyle wrote: > Using: > LTSP > RH Fedora Core 1. > Evolution Ver 1.4.5 > > It was working. Something must have changed. > > 1. I highlight the following data from "k12ltsp" list. > > Server specs: > Dual Xeon 2.6g > 4 gig pc2100 > Raid 5 with 3 36 gig hard drives > > 2. I paste it into gedit and vi and get the following in both editors. > > Server specs:Dual Xeon 2.6g4 gig pc2100Raid 5 with 3 36 gig hard drives > > It looks like I have a LF/CR problem. > > I checked and changing the following: > > A. Under menu item "View", Character Encoding,Unicode (UTF-7) ... no > change. > > B. I also tried (UTF-8) also no change. > > C. Under menu item "Tools", setting, Mail Preferences, General, Default > character encoding: Unicode (UTF-7) ... no change. > > D. I also tried (UTF-8) also no change. > > Questions > > Is there a better list I should use to ask this question? > > Should I reinstall Evolution if so what is the best way to keep all my > old email? Not followed your problem fully but..... Evolution stores all mails in mbox files under USERHOME/evolution/local/Inbox and any sub folders under this if defined. You can append all folders into one by "cat .../mbox >> ~/mbox.bak" After you re-install just cp this to USERHOME/evolution/local/Inbox/mbox -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Apr 30 11:16:18 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 30 Apr 2004 19:16:18 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Evolution cut and paste In-Reply-To: <1083309726.11640.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1083309726.11640.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1083323780.5269.120.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 15:22, Jim Doyle wrote: -snip- Don't know if this helps, but: I've found that evolution copy/cut and paste has to be done in a certain way - mostly the block of text in a mail has to be "active" or "editable" by virtue of it being contained in new mail you are composing or have open as a reply in preparation. I have found to my frustration that highlighting text in ordinary IN box items just doesn't work - especially in "preview" mode. If you don't have this experience then half your luck. Also, I find copying email text to another application may mean having to use the old technique of highlighting text then doing a middle-button click at the point of insertion in other application because ctl-C & ctl-V refuses to work. Another thing is the way the text is interpreted by the program you are pasting it into. What doesn't look good in gedit may format as you want without any trouble if you put it into OOo instead. The problem may really lie with the window manager rather than evolution? I dunno. > Questions > > Is there a better list I should use to ask this question? Ummm ... don't know. People here are very broad minded and skilled in many applications are rarely flame off-topic questions. > Should I reinstall Evolution if so what is the best way to keep all my > old email? NO! but if you think that will do some good see Sudev's answer on importing/combining old mail (thanks Sudev, your tip is a godsend to me and previous searches for info on that topic had not given me as clear an answer as yours). > Since I want to use as much Linux as possible and Evolution comes with > LTSP I used it. Should I consider another mail client? I used and > liked Eudora in Windows. > > Mozilla mail is a consideration. Yes, Mozilla is good. There are plenty of alternatives in Linux-land, but evolution is good in it's own right and especially for people transitioning from Windows and Outlook. -- Regards, Gavin Chester ecosolutions(R) "...for all your environmental monitoring needs" PO Box 62 (2 Pegrum Rd), Dwellingup, Western Australia 6213 Tel: +61 8 95381102 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EMAIL NOTICE A vicious spam filter used by our domain host rejects many legitimate emails. We have no control of this. If your emails to us bounce or fail please use our new backup address - mailto: ecosolutions_aust at hotmail.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Apr 30 11:25:28 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 30 Apr 2004 19:25:28 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083284213.3275.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1083284213.3275.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1083324330.988.127.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 08:16, Sudev Barar wrote: > Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many ardent > K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... practise > what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is beyond your > control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of showing your > support. > As I said no flames please. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux Burn, burn burn, that flaming ring of fire ... Seriously, I agree but have kept quiet about that matter. I guess we hope that by being on this list those offenders are at least aware and transitioning from Windows. No? FAR more frustrating for me is use of html mail by many. Do you people know how long it takes just to open your email when I'm scrolling through the postings? Spare a thought for dial-up users and forget the html - who needs coloured text and bold, anyway? That'll bring the flames ;-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester ecosolutions(R) "...for all your environmental monitoring needs" PO Box 62 (2 Pegrum Rd), Dwellingup, Western Australia 6213 Tel: +61 8 95381102 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EMAIL NOTICE A vicious spam filter used by our domain host rejects many legitimate emails. We have no control of this. If your emails to us bounce or fail please use our new backup address - mailto: ecosolutions_aust at hotmail.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 30 11:33:38 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083324330.988.127.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: On 30 Apr 2004, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 08:16, Sudev Barar wrote: > > Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many ardent > > K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... practise > > what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is beyond your > > control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of showing your > > support. > > As I said no flames please. > > -- > > Sudev Barar > > Learning Linux > > Burn, burn burn, that flaming ring of fire ... > > Seriously, I agree but have kept quiet about that matter. I guess we > hope that by being on this list those offenders are at least aware and > transitioning from Windows. No? > > FAR more frustrating for me is use of html mail by many. Do you people > know how long it takes just to open your email when I'm scrolling > through the postings? Spare a thought for dial-up users and forget the > html - who needs coloured text and bold, anyway? That'll bring the > flames ;-) > HTML formatted email is exactly the reason why i've setup filters in mailman to reject any emails with html attachments for the ltsp-discuss list. Stopped the HTML dead in its tracks Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From leojr at fic.com.br Fri Apr 30 12:03:59 2004 From: leojr at fic.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Leonardo_Gon=E7alves_de_Ulh=F4a_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:03:59 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083324330.988.127.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <1083284213.3275.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1083324330.988.127.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <409240AF.3060900@fic.com.br> Gavin Chester escreveu: >On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 08:16, Sudev Barar wrote: > > >>Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many ardent >>K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... practise >>what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is beyond your >>control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of showing your >>support. >>As I said no flames please. >>-- >>Sudev Barar >>Learning Linux >> >> > >Burn, burn burn, that flaming ring of fire ... > >Seriously, I agree but have kept quiet about that matter. I guess we >hope that by being on this list those offenders are at least aware and >transitioning from Windows. No? > >FAR more frustrating for me is use of html mail by many. Do you people >know how long it takes just to open your email when I'm scrolling >through the postings? Spare a thought for dial-up users and forget the >html - who needs coloured text and bold, anyway? That'll bring the >flames ;-) > > I agree with you , but you should consider the fact that many people here are beginners or have to use this M$ stuf in their work enviroment. Here in my work, I have to use a Ms Windows 2000 machine , but at least my e-mail client is Mozilla Thunderbird : - ) Html mail is a pain and the worst thing about it is that it may bring a lot of problems to companies who use it, specially if it works with M$ products..The admins here are trying to convince people not to use it , but its very dificult, because many think its a lack of stile to use single text e-mails : - ( Leonardo Jr. From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Fri Apr 30 12:09:38 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:09:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40924202.8040108@shuttleworthfoundation.org> >>html - who needs coloured text and bold, anyway? That'll bring the >>flames ;-) >> >> >> > >HTML formatted email is exactly the reason why i've setup filters in >mailman to reject any emails with html attachments for the ltsp-discuss >list. Stopped the HTML dead in its tracks > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > That's cool. How do you do that? -Jonathan From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 30 13:01:50 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <40924202.8040108@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > >>html - who needs coloured text and bold, anyway? That'll bring the > >>flames ;-) > >> > >> > >> > > > >HTML formatted email is exactly the reason why i've setup filters in > >mailman to reject any emails with html attachments for the ltsp-discuss > >list. Stopped the HTML dead in its tracks > > > >Jim McQuillan > >jam at Ltsp.org > > > That's cool. How do you do that? In the mailman admin screen, there is a page that says 'Privacy Options'. Within that screen, down near the bottom is a field that says: "Hold posts with header value....." In that field, you can put a list of values. Here's what I have: Content-Type: text\/html Content-Type: .*multipart\/alternative Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 That will block alot of crap from making it to the mailing list. Unfortunately, it results in the message being held for moderator approval, and with the volume of mail that comes in, It's hard to keep up with it. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > -Jonathan > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Fri Apr 30 13:11:18 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:11:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40925076.1080603@shuttleworthfoundation.org> jam at mcquil.com wrote: >In the mailman admin screen, there is a page that says 'Privacy >Options'. > >Within that screen, down near the bottom is a field that says: > > "Hold posts with header value....." > >In that field, you can put a list of values. Here's what I have: > > Content-Type: text\/html > Content-Type: .*multipart\/alternative > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > >That will block alot of crap from making it to the mailing list. >Unfortunately, it results in the message being held for moderator >approval, and with the volume of mail that comes in, It's hard to keep >up with it. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > Thanks a million! -JC From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 30 13:14:18 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:14:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083324330.988.127.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <1083284213.3275.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1083324330.988.127.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <1083330858.22255.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 06:25, Gavin Chester wrote: > FAR more frustrating for me is use of html mail by many. Do you people > know how long it takes just to open your email when I'm scrolling > through the postings? Spare a thought for dial-up users and forget the > html - who needs coloured text and bold, anyway? That'll bring the > flames ;-) You might get some sympathy on technical mailing lists but it is a losing battle elsewhere and I think it is a mistake to relate this issue to using free vs. proprietary software. If you make it sound like free software is associated with reduced functionality you'll send the wrong message. Even for technical people who understand the overhead, the ability to highlight words and attach screenshots may be important. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From haysja at sages.us Fri Apr 30 13:22:47 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:22:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083284213.3275.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1083284213.3275.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <40925327.50903@sages.us> I find the subject line of this post to be a bit troublesome. You say that you don't want flames in the same message that you are blasting (flaming) list members. Get off your high horse and join the real world. You have no idea what the internal politics are of some of the schools where these people work. We in the K12 technology community are working very hard to meet the needs of our students. For many reasons, political and otherwise, most schools use at least some Microsoft programs. Some schools have policies that exclude any mail clients other than the approved mail client program. (And in come cases that is Outlook - whether you like it or not.) Some users are not afforded the option of using other mail clients. (Fortunately, I am and I have chosen to use Thunderbird.) Other list members are novice users who may not even know that they is an alternative. They are here to learn more about Linux and K12LTSP. For that, they should be commended instead of ridiculed. People come to this forum to learn and share information. Keep it positive. Sudev Barar wrote: >Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many ardent >K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... practise >what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is beyond your >control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of showing your >support. >As I said no flames please. > > From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Apr 30 13:42:59 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:42:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum error (apt too) Message-ID: <4B1B1A4A-9AAC-11D8-9A67-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Hi folks, When I try to check for updates using either yum or apt-get (I prefer yum) I get the following message: Server: K12TLSP retrygrab() failed for: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/9/headers/header.info Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/9/headers/header.info [Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] (111, 'Connection refused') Do I need to tweak something somewhere, and if so what. So far I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling yum (from the very same repository I'm trying to get updates from.) I had to download it on my OS X laptop and scp it to my server however because, when I try to get it using ftp from my server I get the connection refused message. The only difference I can see between my two ftp sessions is that the OS X session says it is using Extended Passive mode when it makes transfers, while the K12ltsp server is using just plain old Passive mode. All suggestions welcome. Peace, Jimmy ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ No one has a right to sit down and feel hopeless. There is too much work to do. - Dorothy Day From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Apr 30 13:43:14 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:43:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B143@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sudev Barar [mailto:sudev at mantraonline.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:17 PM >> >> Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover >> many ardent K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... >> ahemmmmm .... practise what we preach? Even if you are using >> OS environment that is beyond your control FLOSS / Free mail >> clients could be a way of showing your support. I would like nothing more than to stop using MS Outlook for mail. The unfortunate reality is that where I work, not only is my OS not my own, but the applications I run belong to the company. Oh, they turn a blind eye when some of us developers install software (like Firefox, GIMP, etc) but even that is strictly against company policy. Furthermore, if I don't keep my Outlook calendar up to date with meetings and schedule, my boss is less than happy with me. I suppose that if I *really* cared about open source, I'd go work somewhere else but frankly, I don't care *that* much. Hey, I just want to get my job done. I do try hard to make my Outlook mail as palatable as possible. I bottom post (which is harder in Outlook than it ought to be), I trim, I quote and I post in plain text whenever possible (at least I think I do. Please tell me if this is not as clean as it should be and I'll do what I can to be more responsible). In any case, don't assume that we can all just do what we want. -- Henry Hartley From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 30 13:54:21 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] can't apt-get gcc in 4.0 In-Reply-To: <1083249592.21561.23.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 05:26, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Andrew Fournier wrote: > > > > > You could uninstall cpp, then do a yum install gcc... might be messy, > > > though. > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 20:58, Dennis Daniels wrote: > > > > I'm having same problem... > > > > dgd > > > > > > > > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > > > Dear Folks, > > > > > I need to get gcc on my k12 4.0 dist-upgraded to 4.0.1 box, but when i > > > > > try to apt-get it I get an error: > > > > > gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed > > > > > actually, cpp is already installed. youm gives me similar error. Any > > > > > advice is appreciated. julius > > > > > > > unistall is messy and what's more, install gcc still doesn't work, because > > cpp is the wrong version ... julius > > What apt/yum repository are you guys pointing to? > > I just tested mime & had no problems installing cpp, gcc, etc. > > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources: > yum k12ltsp ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora/ > > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/k12ltsp.list: > rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ yum/fedora k12ltsp os updates non-free extras > Eric, I'll be ... I had *no* files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory, and no mention of k12 in the /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources. Actually it seems that apt sources.list got totally cleared at the last update, so I just copied stuff from a server that was not upgraded yet - obviously not so good a choice. Well, now it works just fine and I have a chance to get the wireless stuff going on the laptop. Thank you, julius From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 30 13:57:06 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:57:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083284213.3275.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <001701c42ebb$094c1680$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> You just make me feel guilty now :-) I have been telling myself for a while now that I need to start converting fully to Linux (and I am actually realizing more now after being on this list how I can benefit). I need to be a 100% user before I can ever convince others to convert. I just still have problems with comfortability, I can just get things done faster in Windows as a result of familiarity. I hope to be able to make the switch soon. But I do still use MS Access everyday, Photoshop, DVD copying, scanning, etc. I just don't have time with everything else going on to learn all new software (man I can't believe I sound like my users). What I will most likely do is add another machine to my desk (Already have OS9, OSX, and Win2000) with WhiteBox or K12LTSP to start to migrate slowly. I hear it now, "why all the different OS's?". I deal with so many apps and OS's I need to be familiar with them all or at least have something available to test or to walk through something on. No matter what happens I will always use other operating systems but need to convert my everyday os to linux, not Win. Thanks for the kick in the butt to get going, if it makes you feel any better I do reserve a great amount of guilt. Also I just turned HTML formatting off, I hope this helps not clutter your inbox. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sudev Barar Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:17 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many ardent K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... practise what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is beyond your control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of showing your support. As I said no flames please. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Apr 30 14:25:19 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:25:19 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] How playback asf video files? Message-ID: <043020041425.14801.409261CE000D3172000039D12200751150FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Anyone, This may be an admin 101 question, but ... I can't solve it. A teacher has given me a lot of CD's with videos on them that are in asf format. I used synaptic to install xine but ... 1) it didn't register the file format with Nautilus, so just clicking on the file won't open the video and 2) Opening xine and then trying to open the video leads to an error about wmvdmod.dll not being available to playback the video. Can anyone help me solve this? Thanks, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark, Delaware 19713 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 30 14:46:36 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:46:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba File permissions Message-ID: <001801c42ec1$f303e0e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> My Samba installation doesn't seem to mirror linux directory permissions. Does Samba have settings to override linux permissions? I would like Samba to assign whatever permissions to folders that linux has assigned. Example of problem: In linux folder /home/Drop/Teacher1/Class1 is set to 773, I can write to this folder with any user in Netatalk or local, but get the error "Cannot Copy filename: Access is denied. The source file may be in use." Folders above Class1 are set to 755. Any ideas? I am so close, but yet so far to having this file server figured out. From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 30 14:53:52 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:53:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba File permissions In-Reply-To: <001801c42ec1$f303e0e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001801c42ec1$f303e0e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083336831.6518.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 09:46, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > My Samba installation doesn't seem to mirror linux directory > permissions. Does Samba have settings to override linux permissions? I > would like Samba to assign whatever permissions to folders that linux > has assigned. Example of problem: > In linux folder /home/Drop/Teacher1/Class1 is set to 773, I can write to > this folder with any user in Netatalk or local, but get the error > "Cannot Copy filename: Access is denied. The source file may be in use." > > Folders above Class1 are set to 755. Any ideas? I am so close, but yet > so far to having this file server figured out. Folder/directory permissions apply to the ability to create or delete files within them. Existing files within the directory have their own owners and permissions. Samba can add restrictions but can't ignore or override unix permissions with the exception of mapping the connection to a different user and if files are initially created through samba you can force the owner/group/modes of the new files and directories. If you want group access you need to force the group ownership and group r/w and you may have to come up with some other way to do this for files that aren't created under samba. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Apr 30 15:05:08 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:05:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083284213.3275.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I think some is being a bit TOO idealistic. In our school division we are fortunate not being a total MS shop. We use a lot of Novell servers, Mac X servers, Linux servers, Sun with SunRay thin clients ... Win desktops, oodles of Mac desktops, PC laptops, iBooks ... I am in the process of setting up a High School with a LTSP LAB. I set one up at the local public library as well. We use OpenOffice on the PC whereever possible on new installs (to save preciously scarce education funding ...and is quickly becoming less & less ... yes even in oil rich Alberta ... go figure!!!) My philosophy is "use what works. Use the best of breed." And Linux is not the best in every situation. It is NOT suitable for many desktop installations, as we are using applications for which there is no open source alternative. SO that is life, and I have no problem with that. Use what is best for a situation (that also means don't just assume that the current standard, or what used to be installed is still the best for that situation). So WHO CARES if we use an MS product to discuss opensource / LTSP??? it is a non-issue!!! Use what you have to use to get the job done best. If linux / open source alternative are not upto the job - so be it! But if they are by all means use them! Keep an open mind. That also includes being open to using MS products if they do the job better. ???? shaking my head ???? Joe Guenther -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Sudev Barar Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:17 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many ardent K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... practise what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is beyond your control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of showing your support. As I said no flames please. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 15:09:44 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How playback asf video files? In-Reply-To: <043020041425.14801.409261CE000D3172000039D12200751150FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040430150944.99025.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Dave, Ive used http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/ to install xine. Ive got streaming asf working. If you download the codecs on the page, wmv8 and 9 are supported, plus it is the daily snapshot of xine so you got the latest build. Chris --- dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Anyone, > > This may be an admin 101 question, but ... I can't > solve it. > > A teacher has given me a lot of CD's with videos on > them that are in asf format. I used synaptic to > install xine but ... > 1) it didn't register the file format with Nautilus, > so just clicking on the file won't open the video > and > 2) Opening xine and then trying to open the video > leads to an error about wmvdmod.dll not being > available to playback the video. > > Can anyone help me solve this? > > Thanks, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > Newark, Delaware 19713 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 30 15:21:47 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:21:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba File permissions In-Reply-To: <1083336831.6518.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <002501c42ec6$dda1fe80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I am trying to drop a file in from Win2000 that doesn't already exist in /home/Drop/Class1 folder. It won't even let me drop a unique file in. I am not really worried about what permissions it has once written to the server as there are now scripts and stuff running to change permissions as a result of yesterdays barrage of email. I just want to be able to drop a new file into this write only folder. This should work right? I am going to try from a different machine with a new user just to verify this user isn't messed up. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 9:54 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Samba File permissions On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 09:46, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > My Samba installation doesn't seem to mirror linux directory > permissions. Does Samba have settings to override linux permissions? > I would like Samba to assign whatever permissions to folders that > linux has assigned. Example of problem: In linux folder > /home/Drop/Teacher1/Class1 is set to 773, I can write to this folder > with any user in Netatalk or local, but get the error "Cannot Copy > filename: Access is denied. The source file may be in use." > > Folders above Class1 are set to 755. Any ideas? I am so close, but > yet so far to having this file server figured out. Folder/directory permissions apply to the ability to create or delete files within them. Existing files within the directory have their own owners and permissions. Samba can add restrictions but can't ignore or override unix permissions with the exception of mapping the connection to a different user and if files are initially created through samba you can force the owner/group/modes of the new files and directories. If you want group access you need to force the group ownership and group r/w and you may have to come up with some other way to do this for files that aren't created under samba. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 30 15:27:24 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:27:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba File permissions In-Reply-To: <002501c42ec6$dda1fe80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002501c42ec6$dda1fe80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083338844.6518.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 10:21, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am trying to drop a file in from Win2000 that doesn't already exist in > /home/Drop/Class1 folder. It won't even let me drop a unique file in. > I am not really worried about what permissions it has once written to > the server as there are now scripts and stuff running to change > permissions as a result of yesterdays barrage of email. I just want to > be able to drop a new file into this write only folder. This should > work right? I am going to try from a different machine with a new user > just to verify this user isn't messed up. There are some circumstances that let samba connect as a guest user instead of the one you expect. If you set 'guest ok = no' or 'public = no' on the share you can eliminate this. It also helps if the user is logged into the windows box under the same name as the unix login that they should be using for the connection. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 30 15:52:15 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:52:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba File permissions In-Reply-To: <1083338844.6518.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <005001c42ecb$1f2d7c90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> In the webmin module I had to go the to Security and Access Control for the Share and check that it is writable. I must have checked this when I created the share not understanding this would override the linux permissions. I also added the 2 directives as you stated for future security. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:27 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Samba File permissions On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 10:21, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am trying to drop a file in from Win2000 that doesn't already exist > in /home/Drop/Class1 folder. It won't even let me drop a unique file > in. I am not really worried about what permissions it has once written > to the server as there are now scripts and stuff running to change > permissions as a result of yesterdays barrage of email. I just want > to be able to drop a new file into this write only folder. This > should work right? I am going to try from a different machine with a > new user just to verify this user isn't messed up. There are some circumstances that let samba connect as a guest user instead of the one you expect. If you set 'guest ok = no' or 'public = no' on the share you can eliminate this. It also helps if the user is logged into the windows box under the same name as the unix login that they should be using for the connection. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From csitech at davisny.edu Fri Apr 30 15:56:45 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park, ADCS) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:56:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fun little ditty Message-ID: <1083340604.2156.2.camel@localhost> Oh my, thought you all might like to hear why I'm so happy we won't be using Windows in our Computer Center next year. Yesterday afternoon we got hit by the Gaobot virus...took down our Win2K webserver, and our entire student computer center. Needless to say I put in some long hours last night. We think we've finally isolated the problem...but it's been a huge pain. Hail to Linux. -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Apr 30 16:11:37 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:11:37 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] How playback asf video files? Message-ID: <043020041611.20521.40927AB9000A7B43000050292200734748FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> Chris, Hmmm ... it almost worked. At the server, xine played back ok, but at the clients, I got an error about a corrupted fil on some occasions or otherwise it just hung so ... un-installed and tried mplayer. Mplayer works for the video in the tech lab. The sound however lags quite a bit behind the video. I wouldn't consider it watchable if used in a lesson. Up on the second floor (through another switch), the video doesn't work correctly (all I get is psychedelic hash) and the sound doesn't work at all. Will have to try and troubleshoot after school since I have a 1pm-4pm meeting to race off to. Thanks, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark, Delaware 19713 > Dave, > > Ive used http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/ to > install xine. Ive got streaming asf working. If you > download the codecs on the page, wmv8 and 9 are > supported, plus it is the daily snapshot of xine so > you got the latest build. > > Chris > > --- dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > Anyone, > > > > This may be an admin 101 question, but ... I can't > > solve it. > > > > A teacher has given me a lot of CD's with videos on > > them that are in asf format. I used synaptic to > > install xine but ... > > 1) it didn't register the file format with Nautilus, > > so just clicking on the file won't open the video > > and > > 2) Opening xine and then trying to open the video > > leads to an error about wmvdmod.dll not being > > available to playback the video. > > > > Can anyone help me solve this? > > > > Thanks, > > Dave Hopkins > > Newark Charter School > > Newark, Delaware 19713 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us Fri Apr 30 16:20:18 2004 From: rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us (Bob Robnett) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:20:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hats off to you, Joe Bob Robnett Coordinator of Technology Southern Kern Unified School District 661-256-5020 X1509 FAX 661-256-6880 rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Joe Guenther Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:05 AM To: LTSP Subject: RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? I think some is being a bit TOO idealistic. In our school division we are fortunate not being a total MS shop. We use a lot of Novell servers, Mac X servers, Linux servers, Sun with SunRay thin clients ... Win desktops, oodles of Mac desktops, PC laptops, iBooks ... I am in the process of setting up a High School with a LTSP LAB. I set one up at the local public library as well. We use OpenOffice on the PC whereever possible on new installs (to save preciously scarce education funding ...and is quickly becoming less & less ... yes even in oil rich Alberta ... go figure!!!) My philosophy is "use what works. Use the best of breed." And Linux is not the best in every situation. It is NOT suitable for many desktop installations, as we are using applications for which there is no open source alternative. SO that is life, and I have no problem with that. Use what is best for a situation (that also means don't just assume that the current standard, or what used to be installed is still the best for that situation). So WHO CARES if we use an MS product to discuss opensource / LTSP??? it is a non-issue!!! Use what you have to use to get the job done best. If linux / open source alternative are not upto the job - so be it! But if they are by all means use them! Keep an open mind. That also includes being open to using MS products if they do the job better. ???? shaking my head ???? Joe Guenther -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Sudev Barar Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:17 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many ardent K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... practise what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is beyond your control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of showing your support. As I said no flames please. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mross at esd165.org Fri Apr 30 16:20:13 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:20:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Fedora Core 2. In-Reply-To: <1083340604.2156.2.camel@localhost> References: <1083340604.2156.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40927CBD.8020901@esd165.org> Greetings. I'm wondering how K12LTSP and Fedora work together. I'm very excited about Fedore Core 2, as many of the features I'm looking for are included with FC2. Since there is a public release schedual for Fedora, can we expect the next version of K12LTSP (Based on FC2) shortly after the release of Core 2? --Matt From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 30 16:29:49 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:29:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Fedora Core 2. In-Reply-To: <40927CBD.8020901@esd165.org> References: <1083340604.2156.2.camel@localhost> <40927CBD.8020901@esd165.org> Message-ID: <1083342589.21561.38.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 09:20, Matthew Ross wrote: > Greetings. > > I'm wondering how K12LTSP and Fedora work together. I'm very excited > about Fedore Core 2, as many of the features I'm looking for are > included with FC2. Since there is a public release schedual for Fedora, > can we expect the next version of K12LTSP (Based on FC2) shortly after > the release of Core 2? > > --Matt > Yes, I'm currently running FC2 on most of my day-to-day systems and have a test build of K12LTSP+FC2. I have the apt/yum repositories setup, but have run out of disk space. I'm going to go buy a bigger drive later today... FC2 is shooting for a May 17th release date. LTSP 4.1 is also shooting for a May 17th release date. If all goes well, which it is so far, we'll have K12LTSP 4.1 ready by the end of May. -- Eric Harrison Technology Services Multnomah Education Service District (503)257-1554 cell: (971)998-6249 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 30 17:22:56 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:22:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083324330.988.127.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <003501c42ed7$c751f520$1803010a@paasda.org> - who needs coloured text and bold? Apparently all the women at THIS organization who have gone and downloaded Incredimail after my adament speach telling them NOT to... *growls* --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gavin Chester Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:25 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 08:16, Sudev Barar wrote: > Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many ardent > K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... practise > what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is beyond > your control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of showing your > support. As I said no flames please. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux Burn, burn burn, that flaming ring of fire ... Seriously, I agree but have kept quiet about that matter. I guess we hope that by being on this list those offenders are at least aware and transitioning from Windows. No? FAR more frustrating for me is use of html mail by many. Do you people know how long it takes just to open your email when I'm scrolling through the postings? Spare a thought for dial-up users and forget the html - who needs coloured text and bold, anyway? That'll bring the flames ;-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester ecosolutions(R) "...for all your environmental monitoring needs" PO Box 62 (2 Pegrum Rd), Dwellingup, Western Australia 6213 Tel: +61 8 95381102 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EMAIL NOTICE A vicious spam filter used by our domain host rejects many legitimate emails. We have no control of this. If your emails to us bounce or fail please use our new backup address - mailto: ecosolutions_aust at hotmail.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 30 17:28:49 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:28:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B143@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <003601c42ed8$99dc9400$1803010a@paasda.org> Bottom Posting... Personally I prefer top posting.. because if I'm following an issue I've likely already read all that stuff that is at the top at least once. and prefer to not have to scroll to read others' feedback. Especially when I've been out of the office for a few days and come back to a flooded inbox =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Henry Hartley Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:43 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sudev Barar [mailto:sudev at mantraonline.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:17 PM >> >> Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many >> ardent K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... >> practise what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is >> beyond your control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of >> showing your support. I would like nothing more than to stop using MS Outlook for mail. The unfortunate reality is that where I work, not only is my OS not my own, but the applications I run belong to the company. Oh, they turn a blind eye when some of us developers install software (like Firefox, GIMP, etc) but even that is strictly against company policy. Furthermore, if I don't keep my Outlook calendar up to date with meetings and schedule, my boss is less than happy with me. I suppose that if I *really* cared about open source, I'd go work somewhere else but frankly, I don't care *that* much. Hey, I just want to get my job done. I do try hard to make my Outlook mail as palatable as possible. I bottom post (which is harder in Outlook than it ought to be), I trim, I quote and I post in plain text whenever possible (at least I think I do. Please tell me if this is not as clean as it should be and I'll do what I can to be more responsible). In any case, don't assume that we can all just do what we want. -- Henry Hartley _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From haysja at sages.us Fri Apr 30 17:45:08 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:45:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <003601c42ed8$99dc9400$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003601c42ed8$99dc9400$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1083347108.409290a4e6e8f@sages.us> Amen to Huck on both issues. I prefer top posting as well. I don't want to re-read all of the reponses to a message to get to the new information. Also, ditto on Incredimail. We have one particular person who thinks the "have" to have it. We have more problems with her machine that any other - by far. I only wish I could prove that Incredimail was the culprit. :) Quoting Huck : > Bottom Posting... > > Personally I prefer top posting.. > because if I'm following an issue I've likely already read all that > stuff that is at the top at least once. > and prefer to not have to scroll to read others' feedback. > Especially when I've been out of the office for a few days and come back > to a flooded inbox =) > > --Huck > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Henry Hartley > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:43 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sudev Barar [mailto:sudev at mantraonline.com] > >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:17 PM > >> > >> Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many > >> ardent K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... > >> practise what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is > > >> beyond your control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of > >> showing your support. > > I would like nothing more than to stop using MS Outlook for mail. The > unfortunate reality is that where I work, not only is my OS not my own, > but the applications I run belong to the company. Oh, they turn a blind > eye when some of us developers install software (like Firefox, GIMP, > etc) but even that is strictly against company policy. Furthermore, if > I don't keep my Outlook calendar up to date with meetings and schedule, > my boss is less than happy with me. I suppose that if I *really* cared > about open source, I'd go work somewhere else but frankly, I don't care > *that* much. Hey, I just want to get my job done. > > I do try hard to make my Outlook mail as palatable as possible. I bottom > post (which is harder in Outlook than it ought to be), I trim, I quote > and I post in plain text whenever possible (at least I think I do. > Please tell me if this is not as clean as it should be and I'll do what > I can to be more responsible). > > In any case, don't assume that we can all just do what we want. > > -- > Henry Hartley > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 17:50:03 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Fedora Core 2. In-Reply-To: <1083342589.21561.38.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040430175003.7981.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> What are some of the new features in ltsp 4.1? I went to their website and didn't see any info on it. --- Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 09:20, Matthew Ross wrote: > > Greetings. > > > > I'm wondering how K12LTSP and Fedora work > together. I'm very excited > > about Fedore Core 2, as many of the features I'm > looking for are > > included with FC2. Since there is a public release > schedual for Fedora, > > can we expect the next version of K12LTSP (Based > on FC2) shortly after > > the release of Core 2? > > > > --Matt > > > > Yes, I'm currently running FC2 on most of my > day-to-day systems and > have a test build of K12LTSP+FC2. > > I have the apt/yum repositories setup, but have run > out of disk space. > I'm going to go buy a bigger drive later today... > > FC2 is shooting for a May 17th release date. LTSP > 4.1 is also shooting > for a May 17th release date. If all goes well, which > it is so far, we'll > have K12LTSP 4.1 ready by the end of May. > > -- > Eric Harrison > Technology Services > Multnomah Education Service District > (503)257-1554 cell: (971)998-6249 > > ATTACHMENT part 1.2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From kanferm at wsdvt.org Fri Apr 30 17:14:27 2004 From: kanferm at wsdvt.org (Mike Kanfer) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:14:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] libgd.so.1.8 Message-ID: I am trying to load ntop on my Redhat 9 box. I get an error message that says the packages libgd.so.1.8 and libgdome.so.0 are needed. I searched and found a package that seemed to contain the two libraries- gd-1.8.4-11.i386.rpm and gd-2.0.23.tar.gz. When I install those packages and try ntop, I get the same error message. Can anyone help me out? Thanks. From dalen at czexan.net Fri Apr 30 18:03:06 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:03:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083347108.409290a4e6e8f@sages.us> References: <003601c42ed8$99dc9400$1803010a@paasda.org> <1083347108.409290a4e6e8f@sages.us> Message-ID: <409294DA.1020809@czexan.net> Jim Hays wrote: > Amen to Huck on both issues. > > I prefer top posting as well. I don't want to re-read all of the reponses to > a message to get to the new information. > Jim, I bottom post because that seems to be the norm for many newsgroups. However, I agree that it can be a pain to scroll down to get to the new info. Perhaps Mozilla mail (and other clients) need a setting to implode old sections of mail. And explode them on demand. Sort of like the block images from server in the browser. You could replace old text paragraphs with a ">" followed by a number of "." to represent how many levels of reply. Another option would be to show n lines before each new text section (default to 3 or so) and hide the rest. Perhaps some mail client already does this (or this is already on a todo list). Thanks, Dale From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 30 18:03:58 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Fedora Core 2. In-Reply-To: <20040430175003.7981.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Chris Thomas wrote: > What are some of the new features in ltsp 4.1? I went > to their website and didn't see any info on it. Chris, Here's a list of things we're working on for 4.1: o Better installer with versioning support o Kernel installation via the ltsp_installer o x11vnc support for remote controlling the user display o Sound packages o X over SSH o Local device support for CD-ROM and Floppy o Switch from XFree86 to Xorg X11R6.7 o bug fixes We're hoping we get all of the above done for the release. May 17th was picked arbitrarily. By next week we'll have a better idea of exactly what will make it into the release, and if it will actually be May 17th. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > > --- Eric Harrison > wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 09:20, Matthew Ross wrote: > > > Greetings. > > > > > > I'm wondering how K12LTSP and Fedora work > > together. I'm very excited > > > about Fedore Core 2, as many of the features I'm > > looking for are > > > included with FC2. Since there is a public release > > schedual for Fedora, > > > can we expect the next version of K12LTSP (Based > > on FC2) shortly after > > > the release of Core 2? > > > > > > --Matt > > > > > > > Yes, I'm currently running FC2 on most of my > > day-to-day systems and > > have a test build of K12LTSP+FC2. > > > > I have the apt/yum repositories setup, but have run > > out of disk space. > > I'm going to go buy a bigger drive later today... > > > > FC2 is shooting for a May 17th release date. LTSP > > 4.1 is also shooting > > for a May 17th release date. If all goes well, which > > it is so far, we'll > > have K12LTSP 4.1 ready by the end of May. > > > > -- > > Eric Harrison > > Technology Services > > Multnomah Education Service District > > (503)257-1554 cell: (971)998-6249 > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 1.2 application/pgp-signature > name=signature.asc > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Apr 30 18:09:55 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:09:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Fedora Core 2. In-Reply-To: <40927CBD.8020901@esd165.org> Message-ID: Uhhh. . . Didn't I see a post a few days ago that FC2 and K12LTSP are already together and available (beta, then I think)? Doug On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Matthew Ross wrote: > Greetings. > > I'm wondering how K12LTSP and Fedora work together. I'm very excited > about Fedore Core 2, as many of the features I'm looking for are > included with FC2. Since there is a public release schedual for Fedora, > can we expect the next version of K12LTSP (Based on FC2) shortly after > the release of Core 2? > > --Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 30 18:17:10 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:17:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083347108.409290a4e6e8f@sages.us> References: <003601c42ed8$99dc9400$1803010a@paasda.org> <1083347108.409290a4e6e8f@sages.us> Message-ID: <1083349030.9482.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 12:45, Jim Hays wrote: > I prefer top posting as well. I don't want to re-read all of the reponses to > a message to get to the new information. > The point is that you aren't supposed to include all of the old posting(s) but instead snip it down to just the points that are relevant to your response. I think there is a difference in philosophy here for mail list vs. local email. For a local issue you may want the few parties involved to have a full record of the whole conversation even if they are CC:ed late in the game. For mail lists the rest of the world has already seen the previous bits, probably doesn't care enough to want to see it again, and has the option to find it in the list archives if they do. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 30 18:22:58 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:22:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Fedora Core 2. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083349378.21561.41.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 11:09, Doug Simpson wrote: > Uhhh. . . Didn't I see a post a few days ago that FC2 and K12LTSP are > already together and available (beta, then I think)? > Alpha. Actually pre-alpha, since I have not even looked at the LTSP 4.1 cvs yet ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 30 18:27:03 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:27:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083349030.9482.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <005f01c42ee0$beb76ae0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I think Les nailed that one. I have a problem with this in that I always think of this as personal email and not about the list as a whole and the Web archives. I think this is where Sudev's concern is derived, from looking at this stuff in the list archives and from all of the extra stuff looking so cluttered in plain text email clients. I will keep this in mind in the future and try to make a list friendly post. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:17 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 12:45, Jim Hays wrote: > I prefer top posting as well. I don't want to re-read all of the > reponses to > a message to get to the new information. > The point is that you aren't supposed to include all of the old posting(s) but instead snip it down to just the points that are relevant to your response. I think there is a difference in philosophy here for mail list vs. local email. For a local issue you may want the few parties involved to have a full record of the whole conversation even if they are CC:ed late in the game. For mail lists the rest of the world has already seen the previous bits, probably doesn't care enough to want to see it again, and has the option to find it in the list archives if they do. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 30 18:33:59 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:33:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083349030.9482.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <006601c42ee1$b757a430$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > The point is that you aren't supposed to include all of the old > posting(s) but instead snip it down to just the points that > are relevant to your response. Is this how things should look to be list friendly? I believe I have turned of HTML formatting and have turn on the > character to prefix any previous message. I have also -snipped- the relevant information for the reply. If there is any more stuff I should do please let me know. Thanks to everyone for their help. My new File server is up and running and appears to actually be functioning how I want it. I have learned more on this list in the last 5 months than I have in the last 2 years. I hope my poor list etiquette has not annoyed too many :-) From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 30 18:32:40 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Fedora Core 2. In-Reply-To: <1083349378.21561.41.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 11:09, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Uhhh. . . Didn't I see a post a few days ago that FC2 and K12LTSP are > > already together and available (beta, then I think)? > > > > Alpha. Actually pre-alpha, since I have not even looked at the LTSP 4.1 > cvs yet ;-) It's a good thing you haven't looked at it yet, cuz it's not all committed yet. Jim. > > > -Eric > From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Apr 30 16:18:56 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:18:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Fedora Core 2. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04043012225700.12276@newguy> Jim perhaps the most important thing to come out of our foray into vnc besides x11vnc is starting vncjava thru xinetd and getting a login to ltsp server from any java enabled webbrowser..i havnt got it working via xinetd but derek dresser pretty much has. i wrote up my part of it but neeeed you to go ovr particularly the nis part.... and the vulnerabilities created by doing it my way... x11vnc gives us at Ellsworth awesome capability ..chuck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 30 21:53:18 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:53:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Fedora Core 2. In-Reply-To: <04043012225700.12276@newguy> References: <04043012225700.12276@newguy> Message-ID: <1083361998.11425.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 09:18, cliebow wrote: > Jim perhaps the most important thing to come out of our foray into vnc besides > x11vnc is starting vncjava thru xinetd and getting a login to ltsp server from > any java enabled webbrowser..i havnt got it working via xinetd but derek dresser > pretty much has. > i wrote up my part of it but neeeed you to go ovr particularly the nis part.... > and the vulnerabilities created by doing it my way... > x11vnc gives us at Ellsworth awesome capability ..chuck > I've done some work on this in the past: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/vnc-hack/ The problem is that if you resize the browser window, it kills off the vnc session. I have not figured out a way around this show-stopper. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 22:07:45 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Fedora Core 2. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040430220745.16274.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info Jim. Sounds like a big release. On a side note, if we have any changes that we would like committed to cvs, who should we send them to? Chris --- jam at mcquil.com wrote: > On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Chris Thomas wrote: > > > What are some of the new features in ltsp 4.1? I > went > > to their website and didn't see any info on it. > > Chris, > > Here's a list of things we're working on for 4.1: > > o Better installer with versioning support > o Kernel installation via the ltsp_installer > o x11vnc support for remote controlling the user > display > o Sound packages > o X over SSH > o Local device support for CD-ROM and Floppy > o Switch from XFree86 to Xorg X11R6.7 > o bug fixes > > We're hoping we get all of the above done for the > release. > > May 17th was picked arbitrarily. By next week we'll > have a better idea > of exactly what will make it into the release, and > if it will actually > be May 17th. > > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > --- Eric Harrison > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 09:20, Matthew Ross wrote: > > > > Greetings. > > > > > > > > I'm wondering how K12LTSP and Fedora work > > > together. I'm very excited > > > > about Fedore Core 2, as many of the features > I'm > > > looking for are > > > > included with FC2. Since there is a public > release > > > schedual for Fedora, > > > > can we expect the next version of K12LTSP > (Based > > > on FC2) shortly after > > > > the release of Core 2? > > > > > > > > --Matt > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I'm currently running FC2 on most of my > > > day-to-day systems and > > > have a test build of K12LTSP+FC2. > > > > > > I have the apt/yum repositories setup, but have > run > > > out of disk space. > > > I'm going to go buy a bigger drive later > today... > > > > > > FC2 is shooting for a May 17th release date. > LTSP > > > 4.1 is also shooting > > > for a May 17th release date. If all goes well, > which > > > it is so far, we'll > > > have K12LTSP 4.1 ready by the end of May. > > > > > > -- > > > Eric Harrison > > > Technology Services > > > Multnomah Education Service District > > > (503)257-1554 cell: (971)998-6249 > > > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 1.2 application/pgp-signature > > name=signature.asc > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 30 22:22:08 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:22:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new disk drive, FC2 iso via rsync, yum/apt-get Message-ID: <1083363728.11425.7.camel@server.ltsp> I have a shiny new 160G drive installed in k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us. Now that I have some free space, I've started work on making my FC2 work available via rsync & yum/apt-get. For rsync, either of these will do the trick: rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre For yum/apt-get, the repositories are located at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/fc2/ As previously warned, this is pre-alpha software. Don't use it unless you know what you're getting yourself into... ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Needless to say I > put in some long hours > last night. We think we've finally isolated the > problem...but it's been > a huge pain. Hail to Linux. > > -- > Calvin Park > Associate Director of Computer Services > Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and > Ministry > > web: www.davisny.edu > email: csitech at davisny.edu > phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover