From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Feb 19 08:43:13 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu Feb 19 08:43:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] help with X server conf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40340E6F.1080404@cmosnetworks.com> Then you should of course be able to edit any file whatsoever. Hmmm...try this, as a test: copy the lts.conf over to, say, lts.conf.new, edit it, rename the old one lts.conf.bak, and symlink lts.conf > lts.conf.new. Then, try editing lts.conf and see if it sticks. It?s possible, I suppose, that you might be working with a sector that the filesystem just doesn?t like but doesn?t throw up an error message for. I?ve seen that happen before, but many years ago. --TP Kevin Boone wrote: > yes. i'm in root. > > >> From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >> Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] help with X server conf >> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:43:25 -0500 >> >> Just eliminating the obvious here. You are root when you do this, >> right? >> >> --TP >> >> Kevin Boone wrote: >> >>> my apologies..II haven't used k12ltsp since version 0.7....I tried >>> to modify the lts.conf file with the following entry...I was not >>> able to save the file. How do I save modifications to the lts.conf >>> file? >>> >>> >>> XSERVER = nv >>> >>> # GForce 4 setup >>> X4_MODULE_01 = dbe >>> X4_MODULE_02 = extmod >>> X4_MODULE_03 = fbdevhw >>> X4_MODULE_04 = glx >>> X4_MODULE_05 = record >>> X4_MODULE_06 = freetype >>> X4_MODULE_07 = type1 >>> X4_MODULE_08 = dri >>> >>> # Dell FlatPanel 1280x1024 >>> X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 >>> X_HORZSYNC = 30.0-70.0 >>> X_VERTREFRESH = 56.0-85.0 >>> X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Norman Gaywood >>>> Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>> To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] help with X server conf >>>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:28:14 +1100 >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 10:28:07PM -0500, Kevin Boone wrote: >>>> > i tried modifying the lts.conf file in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc >>>> directory. >>>> > The changes didn't save. >>>> >>>> Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to tell me. >>> From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu Feb 19 08:48:52 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu Feb 19 08:48:52 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting In-Reply-To: <20040218190609.18ce8064.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: Jesse, That was a great link ... that is what makes this list so phenomenal!! So now the question is, ... do I just disable the onboard NIC and throw in a standard 3com905c ... certainly more simple. But hey thanks for the incredible tip. joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jesse McDonnell Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:06 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:19:16 -0700 "Joe Guenther" wrote: > I have an older Pentium 233MXX Compaq Deskpro with an on board Netlligent > NIC. It will not PXE boot. A bit newer PIII600 Compaq Deskpro with onboard > Intel will work. SO I know that my server is functional. > > Here is the non-functioning boot Dialogue > > BOOTP > DHCP... > PXE-EA1: No PXE server found, using standard boot file > IP ADDR: 192.168.0.6 (so DHCP is working as per the DHCP.conf configuration) > TFTP..... > PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout > > LSA-M99: Exiting LANDesk Service Agent > > > DHCP is working or it would not get the 192.168.0.6 address > PXE does work on the other compaq > > So where do I point this little monster to get his boot file? > Joe, I had an identical problem when setting up an Intel cn430tx board with onboard nic and Landesk Service Agent 0.99. Landesk Service Agent 0.99 is known to be buggy. The solution that worked for me is outlined at http://syslinux.zytor.com/hardware.php#network. Briefly, disable path MTU discovery on the boot server by changing the content of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from 0 to 1. To do this. as root, run echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from the command line. If you ever reboot your server you will have to rerun this command. Disable the blksize TFTP option on your TFTP server by adding -r blksize to the server_args in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp The line in my system is: server_args = -r blksize -s /tftpboot/ You'll have to restart tftp for the changes to take effect.: /sbin/service xinetd restart should take of that. This works for me...hope it does for you. Good luck! Jesse McDonnell _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Feb 19 08:49:06 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu Feb 19 08:49:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40341555.1010904@netscape.net> Hi julius, Thanks for the encouraging words ...... but this is an application that the school board has bought into, hook line & sinker and if it doesn't run on linux then NO K12ltsp !!!!! norbert julius at turtle.com wrote: >On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, norbert wrote: > > >>Has anyone found a solution for this: >> >>situation: Web applications designed specifically for IE >>question: How to get them to work on Linux with Mozilla, Netscape, >>Konqueror, etc ... any browser >> >>Seems that there are sections of code that are specific to IE and are >>not interpreted, or understood, by other browsers therefore the pages >>are not correctly displayed. >> >>Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated >> >> >> >Norbert, > there is no known solution, other than running IE with all the >appropriate doodads. Some of the largest companies enagage in this >disgusting behavior, GE is one of them. Talking to GE about it leads >nowhere. I am beginning to consider running IE on a win server and >accessing it by rdesktop. julius > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From julius at turtle.com Thu Feb 19 09:26:03 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu Feb 19 09:26:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue In-Reply-To: <40341555.1010904@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, norbert wrote: > Hi julius, > > Thanks for the encouraging words ...... but this is an application that > the school board has bought into, hook line & sinker and if it doesn't > run on linux then NO K12ltsp !!!!! > Norbert, this is the time for ad personam attacks - how about a little investigation by a local newspaper into the allegations that the school board members are pushing expensive "solutions" because they hold lots of M$ stock? julius > > julius at turtle.com wrote: > > >On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, norbert wrote: > > > > > >>Has anyone found a solution for this: > >> > >>situation: Web applications designed specifically for IE > >>question: How to get them to work on Linux with Mozilla, Netscape, > >>Konqueror, etc ... any browser > >> > >>Seems that there are sections of code that are specific to IE and are > >>not interpreted, or understood, by other browsers therefore the pages > >>are not correctly displayed. > >> > >>Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated > >> > >> > >> > >Norbert, > > there is no known solution, other than running IE with all the > >appropriate doodads. Some of the largest companies enagage in this > >disgusting behavior, GE is one of them. Talking to GE about it leads > >nowhere. I am beginning to consider running IE on a win server and > >accessing it by rdesktop. julius > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > From Rick.Green at tencel.com Thu Feb 19 09:32:41 2004 From: Rick.Green at tencel.com (Green, Rick) Date: Thu Feb 19 09:32:41 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue Message-ID: Crossover Office from Codeweavers will download, install, and run the latest version MS Internet Explorer for you. This is a commercial version of WINE, so it does not require a Windows or a Windows license. Extremely easy to use, very affordable, and I am using it on an LTSP server at home. Of course, it also runs MS Office, and many other Windows programs natively in Linux. -Rick -----Original Message----- From: norbert [mailto:bear2bar at netscape.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:49 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue Hello, Thank you for the idea, I tried Opera and its response is worse than Mozilla/Netscape with this particular site :-( Well it was worth a try... regards norbert info at baf-computers.com wrote: I use opera to fool the web page found at www.opera.com it is not open but is free with ad's BAF Services(Computers) 442 London Road High Wycombe Bucks HP11 1LP Tel:- 01494 534146 Mob:- 07788824548 On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:32:51 -0500, norbert wrote: Hi, Has anyone found a solution for this: situation: Web applications designed specifically for IE question: How to get them to work on Linux with Mozilla, Netscape, Konqueror, etc ... any browser Seems that there are sections of code that are specific to IE and are not interpreted, or understood, by other browsers therefore the pages are not correctly displayed. 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URL: From tmhart at mac.com Thu Feb 19 09:40:22 2004 From: tmhart at mac.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Thu Feb 19 09:40:22 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Reading HFS from Linux Message-ID: I was just wondering if anyone knows if Yellow Dog can read or write a HFS+ filesystem. Can you mount it? If so, how about the new journaled version that is included with Mac OS X.3? Timothy Hart From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Thu Feb 19 09:57:45 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Pat Healy) Date: Thu Feb 19 09:57:45 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Forcing IceWM as the default under GDM in Fedora Message-ID: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027EC5@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> I just posted this procedure to the Wiki (under Software). Instructions to make IceWM the default under gdm in Fedora: First, edit gdm.conf (located in /etc/X11/gdm/) and change line #109 from: DefaultSession=default.desktop to: DefaultSession=IceWM.desktop now, restart gdm (lots of ways, including rebooting the server). Next, create a subdirectory called "disabled" in each of two locations listed on line #107 of gdm.conf as the "SessionDesktopDir", and move any "*.desktop" session files you don't want into "disabled", including the original default one. (This approach is reversible, unlike just deleting the files). Example: # cd /etc/X11/dm/Sessions # mkdir disabled # mv default.desktop disabled # mv gnome.desktop disabled # cd /usr/share/xsessions # mkdir disabled # mv gnome.desktop disabled # mv kde.desktop disabled On their next restart, the clients will boot to IceWM with no other choices available, except resetting their desktop, and failsafe mode. -- Pat Healy Palm Desert High School From kmeyer at blarg.net Thu Feb 19 10:03:06 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Thu Feb 19 10:03:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI References: <1077131920.4702.27.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> My understanding has been that early IDE controllers could deal with only one of the two potentially connected devices at a time. That was why it was recommended that you put your hard drive and CD on different controllers. Then, at some point, it seemed that the devices could be accessed independently. It has never been clear to me how you can tell if they are or aren't, or even if it is done in the controller or the drivers, but I have presumed that it is SOP, probably in hardware, by this time. How many SATA drives can you put on a controller? SCSI allows a lot, but at some point, doesn't the PCI bus become the choker? I recall those big buffer boards that didn't seem to do much for performance. Stand-by for new 3Ware boards. Don't know whether they will leverage on-drive TCQ, or will do it themselves though. Ken Meyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Hartman To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI > On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 08:34, Les Mikesell wrote: > > I haven't tested these myself but I think they still only accept a single > > command at a time. > > The new 73GB Raptors (but not the 36GB ones!) support the tagged command > queueing, so they are very SCSI-like in that respect. I've used these > drives in one of my client's machines and recommend them _highly_. They > are _fast_. And with a standard 5-year warranty, they are hard to beat. > > > > > The big advantage of scsi is the ability of the controller to > > multiplex seeks across several drives at once. > > > > I'm not sure that I am addressing specifically what you are talking > about here, but it sounds like you are referring to ATA devices only > being able to access one device on a chain at a time, correct? In SATA, > this problem does not exist, each device is on a separate channel and > all can be accessed simultaneously. With the lower-end (read: onboard / > promise) chipsets, there is pretty significant CPU overhead though. > Better controllers from 3Ware are supposedly much better about this, but > I haven't seen any real benchmarks or had any hands on experience with > them, so it could be purely hearsay. > > -- > -Regards- > > -Quentin Hartman- > > Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator > Fern Ridge School District 28J > Elmira, OR > Office: 541-935-2253 x429 > Cell: 541-914-2989 > qhartman at lane.k12.or.us > www.fernridge.k12.or.us From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 19 10:38:39 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Thu Feb 19 10:38:39 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Joining K12LTSP 4 Workstation to Windows 2000 Domain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4034A6F0.2030506@downeast.net> Making aNY HEADway on winbind..with samba 2.2 i have configs which allow transparent login via winbind...in smaba 3 i am butting heads with ? have no name!@Eagle1? login prompt..glad to share what I have battled for..chuck From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 19 10:43:01 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Thu Feb 19 10:43:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] reaper: a sane way of removing abandoned processes References: Message-ID: <04fb01c3f6fd$c126a540$6500a8c0@gibson.local> > >Do you mean in place of the "purge-user" script that you integrated with > >KDM and GDM? I find purge-user to work fantastic! Since it works > >immediatley instead of once an hour it allows my users to log off and kill > >a hanging process such as Mozilla and then log back in and be able to use > >it again. OpenOffice can occasionally be a culprit. I have had no issues > >since implementing "purge-user" and it has been a sanity saver for me. At > >the end of each day there are no users and no processes left hanging. I'd > >hate to see that fall by the wayside in favor of a once per hour cron > >job....that won't allow my users to get right back to work on the > >offending program without my intervention. Am I right? > > The "purge-user" script will remain, but it will remain "OFF" by default. > Since the "reaper" script only kills apps that have been disconnected > from the DISPLAY, I believe it will be reasonable to turn that on by > default. > > So "purge-users" will remain for those who want stray apps cleared > immediately or for those who want to make sure that users only log > in once. "reaper" will be there to make sure things don't slowly > get out of hand over a long period of time. > > >> > >>Stefan ran across a utility named "reaper" that looks for processes that > >>have been disconnected from their X display and removes them. I ported > >>it to K12LTSP. > >> > >>This looks like a much more sane way of dealing with abandoned processes > >>than I have included in K12LTSP 3.0.2/3.1.0pre. > >> > >>Please give this a spin if you are having problems with abandoned > >>processes. > >> > >> > >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ > >> > >>These two packages are required: > >> > >> perl-X11-Protocol-0.04-4fs.k12ltsp.1.3.1.noarch.rpm > >> reaper-1.6-1fs.k12ltsp.1.3.1.noarch.rpm > >> > >>This one is optional, it will automatically run the reaper script once > >>an hour: > >> > >> reaper-cron-1.6-1fs.k12ltsp.1.3.1.noarch.rpm > >> Hello everyone: This was in my "to-do" folder and I am just now getting around to trying to get reaper working. I visited the folder referenced in this email, but did not find the packages. I am wondering if most everyone else has this working, where it is now located, so I can get this out of my to-do folder and put it on my "done" list. TIA, Rita Gibson RMSEL P.S. We had installed a new server in our lab and I had neglected to change purge-users from off to on, I had forgotten where it lived and when I went searching for its location and information, I ran across this post in my to-do folder. I couldn't figure out why the lab teacher was having to kill so many processes during lab classes. DUH! Where do we or can we document these kind of "tweaks" that evolve through this list? For example, I remember when Calvin set up VeryNice on our servers, it made a big difference in performance as did this purge-user script, and also prelinking some of the applications that are used frequently on our network (StarOffice). From trondrm at online.no Thu Feb 19 10:57:02 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu Feb 19 10:57:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin and ltsp Message-ID: <4034DCB6.1060105@online.no> I am running 3.1.1 of K12LTSP. I installed webmin and also the ltsp-webmin addon module. Now, when I try to start the ltsp module it says "unknown version 3.0.2". Does this mean I can't use the webmin module for ltsp configuration? Trond From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Thu Feb 19 11:01:13 2004 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (jessemcdonnell at comcast.net) Date: Thu Feb 19 11:01:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting Message-ID: <021920041602.1460.3eff@comcast.net> Joe, Try changing the server settings and leave the onboard nic. Your problem is most likely caused by the implementation of PXE booting in Intel Landesk 0.99 and will persist even if you swap out the nic. My Intel motherboard had an onboard Intel eepro100 nic and it couldn't boot without making those changes. I think you'll find you have to change these settings no matter what nic you use. Good luck and let us know how you make out. Jesse > Jesse, > > That was a great link ... that is what makes this list so phenomenal!! So > now the question is, ... do I just disable the onboard NIC and throw in a > standard 3com905c ... certainly more simple. But hey thanks for the > incredible tip. > > joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf > Of Jesse McDonnell > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:06 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:19:16 -0700 > "Joe Guenther" wrote: > > > I have an older Pentium 233MXX Compaq Deskpro with an on board Netlligent > > NIC. It will not PXE boot. A bit newer PIII600 Compaq Deskpro with > onboard > > Intel will work. SO I know that my server is functional. > > > > Here is the non-functioning boot Dialogue > > > > BOOTP > > DHCP... > > PXE-EA1: No PXE server found, using standard boot file > > IP ADDR: 192.168.0.6 (so DHCP is working as per the DHCP.conf > configuration) > > TFTP..... > > PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout > > > > LSA-M99: Exiting LANDesk Service Agent > > > > > > DHCP is working or it would not get the 192.168.0.6 address > > PXE does work on the other compaq > > > > So where do I point this little monster to get his boot file? > > > > Joe, > > I had an identical problem when setting up an Intel cn430tx board with > onboard nic and Landesk Service Agent 0.99. Landesk Service Agent 0.99 is > known to be buggy. The solution that worked for me is outlined at > http://syslinux.zytor.com/hardware.php#network. > > Briefly, disable path MTU discovery on the boot server by changing the > content of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from 0 to 1. > To do this. as root, run echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from > the command line. If you ever reboot your server you will have to rerun this > command. > > Disable the blksize TFTP option on your TFTP server by adding -r blksize to > the server_args in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > The line in my system is: > > server_args = -r blksize -s /tftpboot/ > > You'll have to restart tftp for the changes to take effect.: /sbin/service > xinetd restart should take of that. > > This works for me...hope it does for you. > > Good luck! > > Jesse McDonnell > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Feb 19 11:15:00 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu Feb 19 11:15:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Demo server specs Message-ID: <4034E12D.106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Hi list dudes and dudettes! I'm getting ready to build a demo server to take with me to schools just to show them how easy it is to take their old junk PCs and attach them to the K12LTSP server and have a kickin' lab in almost no time. My plan is to have the schools find 2 or 3 of their old junk PCs ready for me when I show up. Then I'll just make sure they have 32 Mb RAM, PCI/AGP video, PCI sound and I'll bring the bootable NICs. (Probably, I'll bring extra sticks of RAM with me as well as extra video & audio cards). I'm building this on my own cash, so I've got to keep the costs down as low as I can, yet still be able to have a system the PERFORMS well - WOW 'em (ya know?). Here's what I'm looking at from Tigerdirect.com: CPU // CP1-XP25003BC AMD Athlon? XP 2500+ / 512KB Cache / 333MHz FSB / Socket A / Barton Core / Processor with Fan $92.99 MOBO // A455-2031 Asus A7V8X-X Socket A $61.99 RAM // U10-1905 Ultra 512MB PC2100 DDR 266MHz Memory 2 Pack (1024MB Total) $159.99 Switch//T156-2064 Trendware - TEG-S50TXE - 10/100/1000Mbps 5-Port Copper Gigabit $69.99 NIC // T156-2100 Trendware 10/100/100 Mbps $19.99 TOTALs just about $405. Please comment. What do you think folks? Will this work? -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From James.Bromley at lvksch.org Thu Feb 19 11:51:02 2004 From: James.Bromley at lvksch.org (James) Date: Thu Feb 19 11:51:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Demo server specs Message-ID: <770864CD243F9640A4E049D751E5968718CD78@usd453mail.lvksch.com> My Experiences with Tiger Direct are less than favorable. As far as the specs from what I have used for my presentations is comparable to what you have specked out. Missing or I might be just not seeing the hard drive I used a SATA but I was not funding it either I would think for a demo ata/100 or 133 should work just fine. James Bromley -----Original Message----- From: Richard K. Ingalls [mailto:ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:16 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Demo server specs Hi list dudes and dudettes! I'm getting ready to build a demo server to take with me to schools just to show them how easy it is to take their old junk PCs and attach them to the K12LTSP server and have a kickin' lab in almost no time. My plan is to have the schools find 2 or 3 of their old junk PCs ready for me when I show up. Then I'll just make sure they have 32 Mb RAM, PCI/AGP video, PCI sound and I'll bring the bootable NICs. (Probably, I'll bring extra sticks of RAM with me as well as extra video & audio cards). I'm building this on my own cash, so I've got to keep the costs down as low as I can, yet still be able to have a system the PERFORMS well - WOW 'em (ya know?). Here's what I'm looking at from Tigerdirect.com: CPU // CP1-XP25003BC AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ / 512KB Cache / 333MHz FSB / Socket A / Barton Core / Processor with Fan $92.99 MOBO // A455-2031 Asus A7V8X-X Socket A $61.99 RAM // U10-1905 Ultra 512MB PC2100 DDR 266MHz Memory 2 Pack (1024MB Total) $159.99 Switch//T156-2064 Trendware - TEG-S50TXE - 10/100/1000Mbps 5-Port Copper Gigabit $69.99 NIC // T156-2100 Trendware 10/100/100 Mbps $19.99 TOTALs just about $405. Please comment. What do you think folks? Will this work? -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ckacoroski at nsd.org Thu Feb 19 12:15:13 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Thu Feb 19 12:15:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI In-Reply-To: <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> References: <1077131920.4702.27.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> Message-ID: <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> This may be a bit late, but I have ordered a server with 2TB of SATA drives hooked into a single 3ware card. I will run some tests when I get it (should be a few weeks) and post them. cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 On Feb 19, 2004, at 12:37 AM, Ken Meyer wrote: > My understanding has been that early IDE controllers could deal with > only > one of the two potentially connected devices at a time. That was why > it was > recommended that you put your hard drive and CD on different > controllers. > Then, at some point, it seemed that the devices could be accessed > independently. It has never been clear to me how you can tell if they > are > or aren't, or even if it is done in the controller or the drivers, but > I > have presumed that it is SOP, probably in hardware, by this time. > > How many SATA drives can you put on a controller? SCSI allows a lot, > but at > some point, doesn't the PCI bus become the choker? I recall those big > buffer boards that didn't seem to do much for performance. > > Stand-by for new 3Ware boards. Don't know whether they will leverage > on-drive TCQ, or will do it themselves though. > > Ken Meyer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Quentin Hartman > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:18 AM > > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI > > >> On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 08:34, Les Mikesell wrote: > >>> I haven't tested these myself but I think they still only accept a > single >>> command at a time. >> >> The new 73GB Raptors (but not the 36GB ones!) support the tagged >> command >> queueing, so they are very SCSI-like in that respect. I've used these >> drives in one of my client's machines and recommend them _highly_. >> They >> are _fast_. And with a standard 5-year warranty, they are hard to >> beat. >> >> >> >>> The big advantage of scsi is the ability of the controller to >>> multiplex seeks across several drives at once. >> >> >> >> I'm not sure that I am addressing specifically what you are talking >> about here, but it sounds like you are referring to ATA devices only >> being able to access one device on a chain at a time, correct? In >> SATA, >> this problem does not exist, each device is on a separate channel and >> all can be accessed simultaneously. With the lower-end (read: onboard >> / >> promise) chipsets, there is pretty significant CPU overhead though. >> Better controllers from 3Ware are supposedly much better about this, >> but >> I haven't seen any real benchmarks or had any hands on experience with >> them, so it could be purely hearsay. >> >> -- >> -Regards- >> >> -Quentin Hartman- >> >> Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator >> Fern Ridge School District 28J >> Elmira, OR >> Office: 541-935-2253 x429 >> Cell: 541-914-2989 >> qhartman at lane.k12.or.us >> www.fernridge.k12.or.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From keboone39 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 19 12:24:04 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Thu Feb 19 12:24:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] help with X server conf Message-ID: well I was able to save...I found a web site that features vi editor commands. I put in the entries for XSERVER, X_MOde...i got an error message...after Starting syslogd rc.sysinit completed, switching to multisession mode parse error, line=4 parse error, line=4 parse error, line=4 After this I went back into lts.conf and commented out all of the new entries except for the XSERVER=nv now it works...my gx270 with the flat panel display boots to linux terminal server...I'm a happy man now. I just hope it will handle the rest of my 23 machines. Is there anyway in the software to see if the server is using both cpus? thanks for helping me work through this problem. >From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] help with X server conf >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:43:25 -0500 > >Just eliminating the obvious here. You are root when you do this, right? > >--TP > >Kevin Boone wrote: > >>my apologies..II haven't used k12ltsp since version 0.7....I tried to >>modify the lts.conf file with the following entry...I was not able to save >>the file. How do I save modifications to the lts.conf file? >> >> >>XSERVER = nv >> >> # GForce 4 setup >> X4_MODULE_01 = dbe >> X4_MODULE_02 = extmod >> X4_MODULE_03 = fbdevhw >> X4_MODULE_04 = glx >> X4_MODULE_05 = record >> X4_MODULE_06 = freetype >> X4_MODULE_07 = type1 >> X4_MODULE_08 = dri >> >> # Dell FlatPanel 1280x1024 >> X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 >> X_HORZSYNC = 30.0-70.0 >> X_VERTREFRESH = 56.0-85.0 >> X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 >> >> >> >> >>>From: Norman Gaywood >>>Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] help with X server conf >>>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:28:14 +1100 >>> >>>On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 10:28:07PM -0500, Kevin Boone wrote: >>> > i tried modifying the lts.conf file in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc >>>directory. >>> > The changes didn't save. >>> >>>Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to tell me. >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Feb 19 13:07:02 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:07:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077143370.1331.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Joe, The Netelligent is a brute to get going. I can't remember if anyone on this list has managed to get one to work. I didn't several years ago, and Rom-O-Matic didn't have any boot disks. This could have changed. Save time, try to disable the onboard NIC and install a NIC with the realtek chipset. Unless someone else has been successful with this. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 10:19, Joe Guenther wrote: > I have an older Pentium 233MXX Compaq Deskpro with an on board Netlligent > NIC. It will not PXE boot. A bit newer PIII600 Compaq Deskpro with onboard > Intel will work. SO I know that my server is functional. > > Here is the non-functioning boot Dialogue > > BOOTP > DHCP... > PXE-EA1: No PXE server found, using standard boot file > IP ADDR: 192.168.0.6 (so DHCP is working as per the DHCP.conf configuration) > TFTP..... > PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout > > LSA-M99: Exiting LANDesk Service Agent > > > DHCP is working or it would not get the 192.168.0.6 address > PXE does work on the other compaq > > So where do I point this little monster to get his boot file? > > joe guenther > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > LANtech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From ssanders at coin.org Thu Feb 19 13:14:08 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (Scott D. Sanders) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:14:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: you can watch the messages while booting, or dmesg |less (to read them later) or cat /proc/cpu (something to that effect, i'm stuck in Windows-land at work). i'm sure there's several other ways, some system load GUI's will show CPU load, and SMP use. From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Feb 19 13:20:40 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:20:40 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Demo server specs In-Reply-To: <770864CD243F9640A4E049D751E5968718CD78@usd453mail.lvksch.com> References: <770864CD243F9640A4E049D751E5968718CD78@usd453mail.lvksch.com> Message-ID: <4034FE9B.1070106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> James wrote: > My Experiences with Tiger Direct are less than favorable. As far as the > specs from what I have used for my presentations is comparable to what > you have specked out. Missing or I might be just not seeing the hard > drive I used a SATA but I was not funding it either I would think for a > demo ata/100 or 133 should work just fine. > > James Bromley I left the hard drive and video card out of the mix here. I'll just use some that I already have here in my lab. Probably Western Digital 20 Gb drive and some generic PCI or AGP video card. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Thu Feb 19 13:37:01 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:37:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077215880.25513.0.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 03:22, Green, Rick wrote: > Crossover Office from Codeweavers will download, install, and run the > latest version MS Internet Explorer for you. This is a commercial > version of WINE, so it does not require a Windows or a Windows > license. Extremely easy to use, very affordable, and I am using it on > an LTSP server at home. Of course, it also runs MS Office, and many > other Windows programs natively in Linux. Will this not run reader rabbit and others ? /steve From johnny at msad41.us Thu Feb 19 13:37:06 2004 From: johnny at msad41.us (johnny at msad41.us) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:37:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] server IP Message-ID: <1077215773.4035021d6977f@msad41.us> Hello All..... I'm trying to boot some newly added IBM terminals to my K12LTSP server...they connect with the server but then try to pull their info from 192.168.0.2 instead of .254 which the server has for an IP...can someone point me to the file that I need to edit to get the Terminals to look at .254 for the configuration??? I've kept the updates installed but haven't gone up to the Fedora package as of yet....TIA, John. From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Feb 19 13:49:01 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:49:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings Message-ID: Hi all I'm new to the list and Linux in general. I have a Red Hat 9 terminal server set up, I'm using squid and squidguard for proxy and filtering. My question is how do you keep the students from changing the proxy settings in Mozilla???? Also along the same line, is there a way to disable Mozilla profiles or at least use one profile for everyone???? I'm trying to get out of creating profiles and proxy settings for every user...... Thanks... Rick O'Dell rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Bakersfield R4 School Bakersfield MO -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Thu Feb 19 13:55:12 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:55:12 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Demo server specs In-Reply-To: <4034E12D.106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <4034E12D.106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1077216996.25513.18.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 05:15, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > I'm building this on my own cash, so I've got to > keep the costs down as low as I can, yet still be > able to have a system the PERFORMS well - WOW 'em > (ya know?). You don't need new gear for speed. My old PIII-500 is faster than most P4s as it has a SCSI disk subsystem, and an old one too.. > CPU // CP1-XP25003BC AMD Athlon??? XP 2500+ / heeeeps! > RAM // U10-1905 Ultra 512MB PC2100 DDR 266MHz > Memory 2 Pack (1024MB Total) spot on! log in yourself before the demo to get everything cached up! The more you use it - the faster it will get. > 10/100/1000Mbps 5-Port Copper Gigabit $69.99 nice. wayyyy overkill, but nice. > TOTALs just about $405. Please comment. What do > you think folks? Will this work? yeh, should. just.. ;-) /steve From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Feb 19 13:57:03 2004 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:57:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Demo server specs In-Reply-To: <4034E12D.106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <4034E12D.106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <20040219185400.GA11708@aberdeen.fpcc.net> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 10:15:41AM -0600, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > > I'm getting ready to build a demo server to take > with me to schools just to show them how easy it > is to take their old junk PCs and attach them to > the K12LTSP server and have a kickin' lab in > almost no time. My plan is to have the schools > find 2 or 3 of their old junk PCs ready for me > when I show up. Then I'll just make sure they > have 32 Mb RAM, PCI/AGP video, PCI sound and I'll > bring the bootable NICs. (Probably, I'll bring > extra sticks of RAM with me as well as extra video > & audio cards). > > I'm building this on my own cash, so I've got to > keep the costs down as low as I can, yet still be > able to have a system the PERFORMS well - WOW 'em > (ya know?). > > Here's what I'm looking at from Tigerdirect.com: I, too, have had at least one unpleasant and EXPENSIVE experience with Tigerdirect.com. I recommend newegg.com, FWIW. > CPU // CP1-XP25003BC AMD Athlon? XP 2500+ / > 512KB Cache / 333MHz FSB / Socket A / Barton > Core / Processor with Fan > $92.99 > MOBO // A455-2031 Asus A7V8X-X Socket A Ugghhh ... Just my personal prejudice speaking, I guess, but I'd stay away from Via-based motherboards. I'd suggest the A7N8X. > RAM // U10-1905 Ultra 512MB PC2100 DDR 266MHz > Memory 2 Pack (1024MB Total) > $159.99 I'm also a little leery of nonamo-brand memory (or, at least, names I don't recognize). You can get two Crucial-brand DIMMs with the same specs for $148 from Newegg. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Thu Feb 19 14:01:08 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Thu Feb 19 14:01:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] server IP In-Reply-To: <1077215773.4035021d6977f@msad41.us> References: <1077215773.4035021d6977f@msad41.us> Message-ID: <1077217337.25513.20.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 07:36, johnny at msad41.us wrote: > Hello All..... > > I'm trying to boot some newly added IBM terminals to my K12LTSP server...they > connect with the server but then try to pull their info from 192.168.0.2 instead > of .254 which the server has for an IP...can someone point me to the file that I > need to edit to get the Terminals to look at .254 for the configuration??? I've > kept the updates installed but haven't gone up to the Fedora package as of > yet....TIA, John. sounds to me like you have another dhcp server on your internal network! /steve From Rick.Green at tencel.com Thu Feb 19 14:03:01 2004 From: Rick.Green at tencel.com (Green, Rick) Date: Thu Feb 19 14:03:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue Message-ID: Crossover has a list of software that is known to run (Office, Dreamweaver MX, Photoshop, etc). You can visit their website (www.codeweavers.com) to see a list of software that is known to run. I have not tried reader rabbit, and a look at their site shows it as untested. The only software I have not been able to get running properly is NetObjects Fusion (I am a website developer). -Rick -----Original Message----- From: Steve Wright [mailto:paua at quicksilver.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:38 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 03:22, Green, Rick wrote: > Crossover Office from Codeweavers will download, install, and run the > latest version MS Internet Explorer for you. This is a commercial > version of WINE, so it does not require a Windows or a Windows > license. Extremely easy to use, very affordable, and I am using it on > an LTSP server at home. Of course, it also runs MS Office, and many > other Windows programs natively in Linux. Will this not run reader rabbit and others ? /steve _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ============================================== Visit our Web site: www.tencel.com Confidentiality Note: The information in this electronic mail ("e-mail") message may be confidential and for use of only the named recipient. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-mail message in error please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0) 1472 244800 or by e-mail at helpdesk at tencel.com. Thank You ============================================== From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Feb 19 14:26:02 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu Feb 19 14:26:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue Message-ID: <021920041927.12692.24d3@comcast.net> Julius, This is exactly why I have Win2K Terminal Server (accessed via rdesktop): to handle 'legacy' applications like IE-specific web-based tools. It lets the staff do what they have to do while simulataneously highlighting the MS-lockin (and associated costs) that this approach incurs since the staff has to explicitly log onto the terminal server to do these tasks instead of staying in the Linux environment. It lets me try to address the longer term issue of finding a way around the lock-in without burdening the teachers/students/staff in the deeper issues. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School > On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, norbert wrote: > > Hi julius, > > > > Thanks for the encouraging words ...... but this is an application that > > the school board has bought into, hook line & sinker and if it doesn't > > run on linux then NO K12ltsp !!!!! > > > Norbert, > this is the time for ad personam attacks - how about a little > investigation by a local newspaper into the allegations that the school > board members are pushing expensive "solutions" because they hold lots of > M$ stock? > julius > > > > > > julius at turtle.com wrote: > > > > >On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, norbert wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Has anyone found a solution for this: > > >> > > >>situation: Web applications designed specifically for IE > > >>question: How to get them to work on Linux with Mozilla, Netscape, > > >>Konqueror, etc ... any browser > > >> > > >>Seems that there are sections of code that are specific to IE and are > > >>not interpreted, or understood, by other browsers therefore the pages > > >>are not correctly displayed. > > >> > > >>Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >Norbert, > > > there is no known solution, other than running IE with all the > > >appropriate doodads. Some of the largest companies enagage in this > > >disgusting behavior, GE is one of them. Talking to GE about it leads > > >nowhere. I am beginning to consider running IE on a win server and > > >accessing it by rdesktop. julius > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From Rick.Green at tencel.com Thu Feb 19 14:53:01 2004 From: Rick.Green at tencel.com (Green, Rick) Date: Thu Feb 19 14:53:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue Message-ID: I, too, have a Win2k terminal server at home that works great with rdesktop (I do a LOT of testing for IT related stuff). It is a great tool, if you can afford it and support it. But if all you need is minimal Windows applications support (like IE), then Win2K TS is way overkill and products like Crossover (and others, like Win4Lin) should at least be considered (and tested first, of course). -Rick -----Original Message----- From: dahopkins at comcast.net [mailto:dahopkins at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:27 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue Julius, This is exactly why I have Win2K Terminal Server (accessed via rdesktop): to handle 'legacy' applications like IE-specific web-based tools. It lets the staff do what they have to do while simulataneously highlighting the MS-lockin (and associated costs) that this approach incurs since the staff has to explicitly log onto the terminal server to do these tasks instead of staying in the Linux environment. It lets me try to address the longer term issue of finding a way around the lock-in without burdening the teachers/students/staff in the deeper issues. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School > On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, norbert wrote: > > Hi julius, > > > > Thanks for the encouraging words ...... but this is an application that > > the school board has bought into, hook line & sinker and if it doesn't > > run on linux then NO K12ltsp !!!!! > > > Norbert, > this is the time for ad personam attacks - how about a little > investigation by a local newspaper into the allegations that the school > board members are pushing expensive "solutions" because they hold lots of > M$ stock? > julius > > > > > > julius at turtle.com wrote: > > > > >On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, norbert wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Has anyone found a solution for this: > > >> > > >>situation: Web applications designed specifically for IE > > >>question: How to get them to work on Linux with Mozilla, Netscape, > > >>Konqueror, etc ... any browser > > >> > > >>Seems that there are sections of code that are specific to IE and are > > >>not interpreted, or understood, by other browsers therefore the pages > > >>are not correctly displayed. > > >> > > >>Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >Norbert, > > > there is no known solution, other than running IE with all the > > >appropriate doodads. Some of the largest companies enagage in this > > >disgusting behavior, GE is one of them. Talking to GE about it leads > > >nowhere. I am beginning to consider running IE on a win server and > > >accessing it by rdesktop. julius > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ============================================== Visit our Web site: www.tencel.com Confidentiality Note: The information in this electronic mail ("e-mail") message may be confidential and for use of only the named recipient. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-mail message in error please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0) 1472 244800 or by e-mail at helpdesk at tencel.com. Thank You ============================================== From keboone39 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 19 14:54:03 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Thu Feb 19 14:54:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP Message-ID: Can the TS work the same if it were given a static IP address? In other word, can we point the clients to the server IP to run ltsp? _________________________________________________________________ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From petre at maltzen.net Thu Feb 19 15:11:02 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu Feb 19 15:11:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403518B8.1020407@maltzen.net> I also have IE running on my terminal server via Crossover Office, but I find it to be lacking: Favorites don't seem to save, passwords aren't saved. OTOH, if those aren't important to your one application, it may be the way to go. I don't use it much, especially since Mozilla got NTLM authentication in 1.6, which I need for dealing with my company's intranet. However, that does break on some javascript that they use on the intranet, but I blame that on the webmasters not writing valid script rather than as a shortcoming of the browser. But in those cases, I switch to IE on Crossover. Petre Green, Rick wrote: > Crossover Office from Codeweavers will download, install, and run the > latest version MS Internet Explorer for you. This is a commercial > version of WINE, so it does not require a Windows or a Windows license. > Extremely easy to use, very affordable, and I am using it on an LTSP > server at home. Of course, it also runs MS Office, and many other > Windows programs natively in Linux. > > -Rick > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* norbert [mailto:bear2bar at netscape.net] > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:49 PM > *To:* k12osn at redhat.com > *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue > > Hello, > > Thank you for the idea, I tried Opera and its response is worse than > Mozilla/Netscape with this particular site :-( > Well it was worth a try... > > regards > norbert > > info at baf-computers.com wrote: > >> I use opera to fool the web page found at www.opera.com it is not >> open but is free with ad's >> >> BAF Services(Computers) >> 442 London Road >> High Wycombe >> Bucks HP11 1LP >> Tel:- 01494 534146 >> Mob:- 07788824548 >> >> >> On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:32:51 -0500, norbert >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Has anyone found a solution for this: >>> >>> situation: Web applications designed specifically for IE >>> question: How to get them to work on Linux with Mozilla, Netscape, >>> Konqueror, etc ... any browser >>> >>> Seems that there are sections of code that are specific to IE and >>> are >>> not interpreted, or understood, by other browsers therefore the >>> pages >>> are not correctly displayed. >>> >>> Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated >>> >>> thanks >>> norbert >> >> >> >> > > > ============================================== > > Visit our Web site: www.tencel.com > > Confidentiality Note: > > The information in this electronic mail ("e-mail") message may > be confidential and for use of only the named recipient. > The information may be protected by privilege, work product > immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended > recipient the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying > of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this > e-mail message in error please notify us immediately by telephone > on +44 (0) 1472 244800 or by e-mail at helpdesk at tencel.com. > > Thank You > ============================================== From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Feb 19 16:10:01 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu Feb 19 16:10:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4035267B.3040808@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Rick O'Dell wrote: > Hi all I'm new to the list and Linux in general. I have a Red Hat 9 > terminal server set up, I'm using squid and squidguard for proxy and > filtering. My question is how do you keep the students from changing the > proxy settings in Mozilla???? Also along the same line, is there a way to > disable Mozilla profiles or at least use one profile for everyone???? I'm > trying to get out of creating profiles and proxy settings for every > user...... > Thanks... > Rick O'Dell > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > Bakersfield R4 School > Bakersfield MO Hey Rick! You're not far from me. I'm in West Plains, MO! The easiest way to get around this problem is to set up another box as your proxy filter running squid & squidguard and /or dansguardian. I ran into this too when I first started. Just find an old machine and install onto it. The default settings for K12LTSP will be OK. THEN, tell your real K12LTSP server to use this machine as the gateway. Now, when students log on they CAN'T get online until they tell Mozilla to use that proxy filter - no more bypassing it! -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From nbs at sonic.net Thu Feb 19 17:52:01 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu Feb 19 17:52:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Off topic browser issue In-Reply-To: <1077215880.25513.0.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1077215880.25513.0.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <20040219225313.GB30087@sonic.net> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 07:38:01AM +1300, Steve Wright wrote: > > Will this not run reader rabbit and others ? Note also, that there are people (like me!) who would love to work on Open Source alternatives to staple products like this. We just need the guideance and support of actual honest-to-goodness educators. ;) My Tux Math, for example, has been at a level of perpetual uselessness because I really just need to sit down with a bunch of gradelevel math teachers and have them tell ME what it should do :) Fortunately, Tux Paint is only tangentially educational, and is meant as a means to be artistic, rather than as a tutor/quizzer/storyteller. I got to make it up as I went ;) -bill! From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Feb 19 18:02:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Feb 19 18:02:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxmath---was Off topic browser issue In-Reply-To: <20040219225313.GB30087@sonic.net> References: <1077215880.25513.0.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <20040219225313.GB30087@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1178.66.138.175.53.1077231825.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Bill Kendrick said: > My Tux Math, for example, has been at a level of perpetual uselessness > because I really just need to sit down with a bunch of gradelevel math > teachers and have them tell ME what it should do :) I'm no teacher...but the main thing I see this wonderful program missing is accountability. If it could be split into different levels....and the students could be graded on each level and have a percentile correct posted after each level that would be nice. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us Linux--Because technology looks better in a Tux From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Feb 19 18:05:01 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu Feb 19 18:05:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting In-Reply-To: <1077143370.1331.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1077143370.1331.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <1077231937.1620.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> > I can't remember if anyone on this list has managed to get one to work. > I didn't several years ago, and Rom-O-Matic didn't have any boot disks. > > This could have changed. > > Save time, try to disable the onboard NIC and install a NIC with the > realtek chipset. Unless someone else has been successful with this. Hi The tlan etherboot driver has been available from Rom-o-matic for a couple of months. I have never had any problems with the Neteligent but then again I used pci cards (not embeded) when I wrote the driver. Tim From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Thu Feb 19 18:08:00 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Pat Healy) Date: Thu Feb 19 18:08:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Scribus Message-ID: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B751916D8@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> Hello. (Eric and Warren) Scribus came out with a new version 1.1.5 last weekend. I've been having trouble getting it to compile. It offers some new features over 1.1.3 that I will need in order to use it to produce my school newspaper. Any chance of an update rpm for K12LTSP 4.01? Thanks in advance. Pat Healy Palm Desert High School Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School 43-570 Phyllis Jackson Lane Palm Desert, CA 92260 (760) 862-4300 x2303 From nbs at sonic.net Thu Feb 19 18:21:09 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu Feb 19 18:21:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxmath---was Off topic browser issue In-Reply-To: <1178.66.138.175.53.1077231825.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> References: <1077215880.25513.0.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <20040219225313.GB30087@sonic.net> <1178.66.138.175.53.1077231825.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <20040219232240.GA30864@sonic.net> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 05:03:45PM -0600, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > I'm no teacher...but the main thing I see this wonderful program missing is > accountability. If it could be split into different levels....and the > students could be graded on each level and have a percentile correct posted > after each level that would be nice. This is where I lack ANY kind of background. :^) I don't think the games I played on Apple IIs back in elementary school 20 years ago had this. For folks interested in discussing Tux Math more (including you, Caleb!) sign up for the mailing list over at sourceforge. http://www.sf.net/projects/tuxmath/ Click "Lists" :) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "Hey Shatner, ya remember that episode of http://newbreedsoftware.com/bill/ Space Trek where your show got cancelled?" From bandwith at tracklan.com Thu Feb 19 18:31:31 2004 From: bandwith at tracklan.com (bandwith at tracklan.com) Date: Thu Feb 19 18:31:31 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35115.69.73.4.157.1077233539.squirrel@secure.valley-data.com> I assume you want all http related traffic to be filtered using squid. http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy-5.html Otherwise you would have to change permissions on the mozilla settings file that would become tedious to maintain. > Hi all I'm new to the list and Linux in general. I have a Red Hat 9 > terminal server set up, I'm using squid and squidguard for proxy and > filtering. My question is how do you keep the students from changing the > proxy settings in Mozilla???? Also along the same line, is there a way to > disable Mozilla profiles or at least use one profile for everyone???? I'm > trying to get out of creating profiles and proxy settings for every > user...... > Thanks... > Rick O'Dell > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > Bakersfield R4 School > Bakersfield MO > > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Feb 19 19:59:01 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu Feb 19 19:59:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <35115.69.73.4.157.1077233539.squirrel@secure.valley-data.com> References: <35115.69.73.4.157.1077233539.squirrel@secure.valley-data.com> Message-ID: <40355C21.9030301@gwi.net> bandwith at tracklan.com wrote: >I assume you want all http related traffic to be filtered using squid. > >http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy-5.html > >Otherwise you would have to change permissions on the mozilla settings >file that would become tedious to maintain. > > > >> Hi all I'm new to the list and Linux in general. I have a Red Hat 9 >>terminal server set up, I'm using squid and squidguard for proxy and >>filtering. My question is how do you keep the students from changing the >>proxy settings in Mozilla???? Also along the same line, is there a way to >>disable Mozilla profiles or at least use one profile for everyone???? I'm >>trying to get out of creating profiles and proxy settings for every >>user...... >>Thanks... >>Rick O'Dell >>rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us >>Bakersfield R4 School >>Bakersfield MO >> >> Alternatively if you have reason to keep a non-transparent proxy, you can use firewall settings (or iptables if it is linux) to block direct connections to common webserver ports from internal address except the proxy server. That way if the student changes their proxy settings their web access will no longer work. They will quickly stop doing it. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From ssanders at coin.org Thu Feb 19 21:33:01 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Thu Feb 19 21:33:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <4035267B.3040808@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <4035267B.3040808@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1077244453.24258.8.camel@ltsp.bofh> hi richard and rick, i am in columbia mo... i used squid for a couple of years, to (apparently) speed up dialup users. i didn't have K12LTSP going at the time, so i manually altered the individual browser settings to proxy through it, a moderate hassle. i also used it to block sites that were unappropriate by constantly editing ACL lists, and redirecting everything that failed to a 'purty 404' page. in that situation, i had to run it on a separate machine. an old PII with 512 meg of RAM was more than adequate. i have not used dan's guardian, but have read that it's better/easier as far as blocking sites. From ssanders at coin.org Thu Feb 19 21:37:00 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Thu Feb 19 21:37:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077244697.24258.10.camel@ltsp.bofh> woops, that would be cat /proc/cpuinfo for SMP verification. From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 19 22:05:32 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu Feb 19 22:05:32 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Demo server specs References: <4034E12D.106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <20040219185400.GA11708@aberdeen.fpcc.net> Message-ID: <01c701c3f75e$9c5c7f80$0300a8c0@futuresource.com> From: "Calvin Dodge" > I, too, have had at least one unpleasant and EXPENSIVE > experience with Tigerdirect.com. I've gotten quite a bit of stuff from Tigerdirect and not had any real problems. You just have to understand that the bargains are overstock and refurbs items where they may run out of stock and won't know much about the products. I don't think I'd buy their own custom-built boxes but if you do your own research they often have only slightly outdated brand name stuff for half the original price or less. Where else can you find 9 gig IBM 10k scsi ultrastar drives for $29.95? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4636 77&Sku=I71-1540%20P&CatId=135 --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Feb 19 22:27:04 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu Feb 19 22:27:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <1077244453.24258.8.camel@ltsp.bofh> Message-ID: I thought I might try Dans Guardian but I wanted to get this to work first. This is my first terminal server, and I'm having enough problems just getting everything to boot. I would like to have the bugs out before I open it up the classroom... Thanks Rick... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of ssanders at coin.org Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:34 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings hi richard and rick, i am in columbia mo... i used squid for a couple of years, to (apparently) speed up dialup users. i didn't have K12LTSP going at the time, so i manually altered the individual browser settings to proxy through it, a moderate hassle. i also used it to block sites that were unappropriate by constantly editing ACL lists, and redirecting everything that failed to a 'purty 404' page. in that situation, i had to run it on a separate machine. an old PII with 512 meg of RAM was more than adequate. i have not used dan's guardian, but have read that it's better/easier as far as blocking sites. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Feb 19 22:33:12 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu Feb 19 22:33:12 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <4035267B.3040808@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: Richard, Hi, Glenwood, wow, next door. Thanks for the reply, I was hoping to get by without another server, this is my first and it will only have 5 or 6 workstations attached. It maybe alright as is I don't know.. What about profiles, do you create a profile for each user and set up the proxy settings the web browser????? Like I say, I new at this.... Rick.. Hey Rick! You're not far from me. I'm in West Plains, MO! The easiest way to get around this problem is to set up another box as your proxy filter running squid & squidguard and /or dansguardian. I ran into this too when I first started. Just find an old machine and install onto it. The default settings for K12LTSP will be OK. THEN, tell your real K12LTSP server to use this machine as the gateway. Now, when students log on they CAN'T get online until they tell Mozilla to use that proxy filter - no more bypassing it! -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Feb 19 23:07:04 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Thu Feb 19 23:07:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin and ltsp In-Reply-To: <4034DCB6.1060105@online.no> References: <4034DCB6.1060105@online.no> Message-ID: <40358842.2000406@magic.fr> It doesn't work... I posted here a few days ago on this ... the wiki says that ltsp and the webmin mod don't work... http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Software%3AWebmin I posted an email to the dev of the module but no reply yet. It would be nice to know what's inside :) dgd Trond M?hlum wrote: > I am running 3.1.1 of K12LTSP. I installed webmin and also the > ltsp-webmin addon module. Now, when I try to start the ltsp module it > says "unknown version 3.0.2". Does this mean I can't use the webmin > module for ltsp configuration? > > Trond > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- visit my site http://www.dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Feb 19 23:17:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu Feb 19 23:17:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40358A57.8090602@cmosnetworks.com> Kevin Boone wrote: > Can the TS work the same if it were given a static IP address? In > other word, can we point the clients to the server IP to run ltsp? > Not sure what you mean here. The TS should always have a static IP address itself, and by default, it does on the ?inside? interface (assumes a two-NIC installation). You have to have something consistent for your clients to point to, for both the TFTP server and the NFS server. Do you mean giving the clients themselves static IP addresses? --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Feb 19 23:17:48 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu Feb 19 23:17:48 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Scribus In-Reply-To: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B751916D8@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Pat Healy wrote: >Hello. (Eric and Warren) > >Scribus came out with a new version 1.1.5 last weekend. >I've been having trouble getting it to compile. > >It offers some new features over 1.1.3 that I will need in order >to use it to produce my school newspaper. > >Any chance of an update rpm for K12LTSP 4.01? > >Thanks in advance. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ -Eric From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Feb 19 23:23:02 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu Feb 19 23:23:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Demo server specs In-Reply-To: <4034E12D.106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <4034E12D.106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <40358C1B.3020103@cmosnetworks.com> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > Hi list dudes and dudettes! > > I'm getting ready to build a demo server to take with me to schools > just to show them how easy it is to take their old junk PCs and attach > them to the K12LTSP server and have a kickin' lab in almost no time. > My plan is to have the schools find 2 or 3 of their old junk PCs ready > for me when I show up. Then I'll just make sure they have 32 Mb RAM, > PCI/AGP video, PCI sound and I'll bring the bootable NICs. (Probably, > I'll bring extra sticks of RAM with me as well as extra video & audio > cards). > > I'm building this on my own cash, so I've got to keep the costs down > as low as I can, yet still be able to have a system the PERFORMS well > - WOW 'em (ya know?). > > Here's what I'm looking at from Tigerdirect.com: > CPU // CP1-XP25003BC AMD Athlon? XP 2500+ / 512KB Cache / > 333MHz FSB / Socket A / Barton Core / Processor with Fan > $92.99 > MOBO // A455-2031 Asus A7V8X-X Socket A > $61.99 > RAM // U10-1905 Ultra 512MB PC2100 DDR 266MHz Memory 2 Pack > (1024MB Total) > $159.99 > Switch//T156-2064 Trendware - TEG-S50TXE - 10/100/1000Mbps > 5-Port Copper Gigabit $69.99 > NIC // T156-2100 Trendware 10/100/100 Mbps > $19.99 > > TOTALs just about $405. Please comment. What do you think folks? > Will this work? > Should be fine for a small demo. Asus mobos have always tended to be good; I have the A7N8X and like it a lot. I assume the A7V8X is also a good board. If you?re demoing with GNOME or KDE, just make sure you don?t run more than ten clients with only 1GB DRAM. Gig-E on the server is a good idea. --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Feb 19 23:48:11 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu Feb 19 23:48:11 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Linuxfest Northwest Message-ID: For those of you in the Pacific Northwest, it looks like the Linuxfest Northwest conference is going to have a good "education" track again this year. http://linuxnorthwest.com/ This a "grass-roots", completely free conference held at Bellingham Technical College. Bellingham is on the border between Washington and British Columbia - *WAY* Northwest ;-) (48.46n, 122.29w) It will be on Saturday, April 17th. I'm signed up to do a talk on K12LTSP. Last year I gave a talk on how MESD ended up using Linux as heavily as we do. http://fcdnet.myphotos.cc/lfnw2k3/k12linuxpresentation -Eric From jam at mcquil.com Thu Feb 19 23:51:04 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Thu Feb 19 23:51:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Linuxfest Northwest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: eric, How far is that from Seattle ? Jim. On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > For those of you in the Pacific Northwest, it looks like the Linuxfest > Northwest conference is going to have a good "education" track again > this year. > > http://linuxnorthwest.com/ > > This a "grass-roots", completely free conference held at Bellingham > Technical College. Bellingham is on the border between Washington and > British Columbia - *WAY* Northwest ;-) (48.46n, 122.29w) > > It will be on Saturday, April 17th. > > I'm signed up to do a talk on K12LTSP. > > Last year I gave a talk on how MESD ended up using Linux as heavily > as we do. http://fcdnet.myphotos.cc/lfnw2k3/k12linuxpresentation > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 20 00:16:16 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri Feb 20 00:16:16 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Linuxfest Northwest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 jam at mcquil.com wrote: >eric, > >How far is that from Seattle ? 2.5 hours drive north of Seattle. It's right on the US/Canada border. Eyeballing my map, (latitude wise) it is about the top of Lake Superior, a bit south of Winnepeg. Roughly (longitude wise) near San Francisco. ;-) -Eric > >On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> >> For those of you in the Pacific Northwest, it looks like the Linuxfest >> Northwest conference is going to have a good "education" track again >> this year. >> >> http://linuxnorthwest.com/ >> >> This a "grass-roots", completely free conference held at Bellingham >> Technical College. Bellingham is on the border between Washington and >> British Columbia - *WAY* Northwest ;-) (48.46n, 122.29w) >> >> It will be on Saturday, April 17th. >> >> I'm signed up to do a talk on K12LTSP. >> >> Last year I gave a talk on how MESD ended up using Linux as heavily >> as we do. http://fcdnet.myphotos.cc/lfnw2k3/k12linuxpresentation >> >> -Eric From a.nera at didasca.it Fri Feb 20 02:11:02 2004 From: a.nera at didasca.it (Angelo Nera) Date: Fri Feb 20 02:11:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Server and Clients mismatch (a problem) Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040220074921.01c44850@80.16.185.138> Excuse me, Friends ... 1. Yesterday I was too HASTY ! 2. Please see your replies to my the problem in the message # 1873 >>>>> It sounds like you are not using the dual NIC setup for k12ltsp. eth0 should be connected to a hub/switch for the clients and eth1 should connect to the Internet. This way you can have as many servers as you want. Each will boot only clients connected via the hub on eth0. (Paul) --- You should add another ethernet card to each machine, and plug eth1 into your internet connection. Do this on both machines and these problems will go away. This card does not need to be an expensive one. Any old junk 10 mbit card will work well. When you add the ethernet cards, plug them into the internet socket first, *then* reboot your K12LTSP Terminal Server everything *should* be completely automatic. FYI, it is very important that K12LTSP eth0 connection is kept clear from other networks, *unless* special attention is paid to reconfiguring K12LTSP. Connect eth0 only to your Terminals on their own switch. NEVER connect eth0 to unknown networks since you will almost certainly take that network down. (Steve) --- Pauls solution is a good one, but requires two switches/hubs (switches please :-). I like to have one DHCP, TFTP, LDAP server, and multiple application servers. The -query option to X I change to -indirect, in the LTSP startup scripts. Then you can choose the host machine - put the load on the users :-) It also adds a little redundancy to the system - especially if you mount home directories via NFS. Or you could customise lts.conf with the MAC address of all the clients to indicate their XSERVER. (Andy) >>>>> 3. This is the report of what I have done. STEP 1 I inserted a second NIC into the Server of Lab A. So I have two NICs: - eth0: 3C905C-TX - eth1: 3C905B-TX I connected eth0 to the Hub that connects the Clients and eth1 to the Internet. STEP 2 When I boot the Server: - The NICs are regularly recognized; - Apps, like OpenOffice.org, work correctly; - I can navigate the Internet. STEP 3 When I boot Terminal 1 it doesn't connect to the Server. A. On booting, the terminal screen reads: ------------------------------------------------------------ MAC Address = 00:50:DA:63:F7 Connectors present: 10 Base-T / 100Base-TX Searching for server (DHCP) ... ...Me: 192.168.1.87, Server: 192.168.1.88, Gateway: 192.168.1.88 Loading 192.168.1.88:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp ........................................ B. After a long lapse of time the screen reads: Unable to load file. ( Of course, the file ' vmlinuz.ltsp ' is present in /tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp ! ) The Terminal doesn't connect to the Server even if I unplug the Server from the Internet. STEP 4 Here are the technical info that may interest you. A. Server settings [root at www root]# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:B0:D0:15:A2:5C inet addr:192.168.1.88 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:5 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1911 (1.8 Kb) TX bytes:1326 (1.2 Kb) Interrupt:5 Base address:0xe880 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:5A:C4:31:9B inet addr:192.168.1.89 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:199 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:14 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:2 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:18808 (18.3 Kb) TX bytes:840 (840.0 b) Interrupt:5 Base address:0xec00 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:2241 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2241 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:1964328 (1.8 Mb) TX bytes:1964328 (1.8 Mb) B. Content of the DHCPD.CONF file: default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255; option routers 192.168.1.88; option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.88; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.1.88:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.1.86 192.168.1.87; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.1.88; # trick from Peter Rundle if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ } else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } } Dear Friends, will you help me, please, to solve this problem ? Thanks ! Angelo Nera --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIDASCA The First Italian Cyber Schools for Lifelong Learning Via Ragazzi del 99 n. 19 I-23100 Sondrio So (Italy) T: +39 0342 513351 F: +39 0342 514953 U: http://www.didasca.it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12 at wpps.wcape.school.za Fri Feb 20 05:40:00 2004 From: k12 at wpps.wcape.school.za (Paul Hennion) Date: Fri Feb 20 05:40:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Dataprojector Message-ID: <4035E435.1070109@wpps.wcape.school.za> Hi Guys, I need to do a demonstration in 1 hour, and I need to get a thin client running on a data projector. The client works perfectly with a monitor, but cant find a screen with the projector. I am running LTSP ver 3.x. Thanks Paul From highvoltage at thepub.co.za Fri Feb 20 05:46:02 2004 From: highvoltage at thepub.co.za (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri Feb 20 05:46:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Dataprojector In-Reply-To: <4035E435.1070109@wpps.wcape.school.za> References: <4035E435.1070109@wpps.wcape.school.za> Message-ID: <1077273294.2156.30.camel@highvoltage> On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 12:40, Paul Hennion wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I need to do a demonstration in 1 hour, and I need to get a thin client > running on a data projector. The client works perfectly with a monitor, > but cant find a screen with the projector. I am running LTSP ver 3.x. > > Thanks > Paul Did you take down the resolution to 800x600 at 60hz? Some projectors are very picky about things like this. -J From k12 at wpps.wcape.school.za Fri Feb 20 06:15:00 2004 From: k12 at wpps.wcape.school.za (Paul Hennion) Date: Fri Feb 20 06:15:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Dataprojector In-Reply-To: <1077273294.2156.30.camel@highvoltage> References: <4035E435.1070109@wpps.wcape.school.za> <1077273294.2156.30.camel@highvoltage> Message-ID: <4035EC75.8090709@wpps.wcape.school.za> JC, you beaut, Thanks its working.. Paul Jonathan Carter wrote: >On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 12:40, Paul Hennion wrote: > > >>Hi Guys, >> >>I need to do a demonstration in 1 hour, and I need to get a thin client >>running on a data projector. The client works perfectly with a monitor, >>but cant find a screen with the projector. I am running LTSP ver 3.x. >> >>Thanks >>Paul >> >> > >Did you take down the resolution to 800x600 at 60hz? Some projectors are very picky about things like this. > >-J > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From julius at turtle.com Fri Feb 20 08:50:03 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri Feb 20 08:50:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Demo server specs In-Reply-To: <40358C1B.3020103@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > > I'm getting ready to build a demo server to take with me to schools > > just to show them how easy it is to take their old junk PCs and attach > > them to the K12LTSP server and have a kickin' lab in almost no time. > > My plan is to have the schools find 2 or 3 of their old junk PCs ready > > for me when I show up. Then I'll just make sure they have 32 Mb RAM, > > PCI/AGP video, PCI sound and I'll bring the bootable NICs. (Probably, > > I'll bring extra sticks of RAM with me as well as extra video & audio > > cards). > > > > I'm building this on my own cash, so I've got to keep the costs down > > as low as I can, yet still be able to have a system the PERFORMS well > > - WOW 'em (ya know?). > > > > Here's what I'm looking at from Tigerdirect.com: > > CPU // CP1-XP25003BC AMD Athlon? XP 2500+ / 512KB Cache / > > 333MHz FSB / Socket A / Barton Core / Processor with Fan > > $92.99 > > MOBO // A455-2031 Asus A7V8X-X Socket A > > $61.99 > > RAM // U10-1905 Ultra 512MB PC2100 DDR 266MHz Memory 2 Pack > > (1024MB Total) > > $159.99 > > Switch//T156-2064 Trendware - TEG-S50TXE - 10/100/1000Mbps > > 5-Port Copper Gigabit $69.99 > > NIC // T156-2100 Trendware 10/100/100 Mbps > > $19.99 > > > > TOTALs just about $405. Please comment. What do you think folks? > > Will this work? > > > Should be fine for a small demo. Asus mobos have always tended to be > good; I have the A7N8X and like it a lot. I assume the A7V8X is also a > good board. If you?re demoing with GNOME or KDE, just make sure you > don?t run more than ten clients with only 1GB DRAM. Gig-E on the server > is a good idea. > Terrell, I just use my laptop - a small sony v505, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB. it is good for running 3 stations fast, than it fades, but it is only 4lb. My previous laptop was below 3lb and worked well with 3 stations p3 600MHz 1GB. You can get one of those refurb or used for a song. julius From julius at turtle.com Fri Feb 20 08:54:04 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri Feb 20 08:54:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Dataprojector In-Reply-To: <4035E435.1070109@wpps.wcape.school.za> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Paul Hennion wrote: > I need to do a demonstration in 1 hour, and I need to get a thin client > running on a data projector. The client works perfectly with a monitor, > but cant find a screen with the projector. I am running LTSP ver 3.x. Paul, change resolution and / or color depth to something that the projector can use. julius From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Feb 20 09:30:02 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri Feb 20 09:30:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Demo server specs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40361A19.2060501@netscape.net> julius at turtle.com wrote: >On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > >>Richard K. Ingalls wrote: >> >> >>>I'm getting ready to build a demo server to take with me to schools >>>just to show them how easy it is to take their old junk PCs and attach >>>them to the K12LTSP server and have a kickin' lab in almost no time. >>>My plan is to have the schools find 2 or 3 of their old junk PCs ready >>>for me when I show up. Then I'll just make sure they have 32 Mb RAM, >>>PCI/AGP video, PCI sound and I'll bring the bootable NICs. (Probably, >>>I'll bring extra sticks of RAM with me as well as extra video & audio >>>cards). >>> >>>I'm building this on my own cash, so I've got to keep the costs down >>>as low as I can, yet still be able to have a system the PERFORMS well >>>- WOW 'em (ya know?). >>> >>>Here's what I'm looking at from Tigerdirect.com: >>>CPU // CP1-XP25003BC AMD Athlon? XP 2500+ / 512KB Cache / >>>333MHz FSB / Socket A / Barton Core / Processor with Fan >>> $92.99 >>>MOBO // A455-2031 Asus A7V8X-X Socket A >>> $61.99 >>>RAM // U10-1905 Ultra 512MB PC2100 DDR 266MHz Memory 2 Pack >>>(1024MB Total) >>> $159.99 >>>Switch//T156-2064 Trendware - TEG-S50TXE - 10/100/1000Mbps >>>5-Port Copper Gigabit $69.99 >>>NIC // T156-2100 Trendware 10/100/100 Mbps >>> $19.99 >>> >>>TOTALs just about $405. Please comment. What do you think folks? >>>Will this work? >>> >>> >>> >>Should be fine for a small demo. Asus mobos have always tended to be >>good; I have the A7N8X and like it a lot. I assume the A7V8X is also a >>good board. If you?re demoing with GNOME or KDE, just make sure you >>don?t run more than ten clients with only 1GB DRAM. Gig-E on the server >>is a good idea. >> >> >> >Terrell, > I just use my laptop - a small sony v505, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB. it is >good for running 3 stations fast, than it fades, but it is only 4lb. My >previous laptop was below 3lb and worked well with 3 stations p3 600MHz >1GB. You can get one of those refurb or used for a song. julius > > OK Julius What song ! and how many can I get ? :-D norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 20 09:43:03 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri Feb 20 09:43:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <35115.69.73.4.157.1077233539.squirrel@secure.valley-data.com> References: <35115.69.73.4.157.1077233539.squirrel@secure.valley-data.com> Message-ID: <40361D54.2050909@glenwood.k12.mo.us> bandwith at tracklan.com wrote: > I assume you want all http related traffic to be filtered using squid. > > http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy-5.html > > Otherwise you would have to change permissions on the mozilla settings > file that would become tedious to maintain. > > >> Hi all I'm new to the list and Linux in general. I have a Red Hat 9 >>terminal server set up, I'm using squid and squidguard for proxy and >>filtering. My question is how do you keep the students from changing the >>proxy settings in Mozilla???? Also along the same line, is there a way to >>disable Mozilla profiles or at least use one profile for everyone???? I'm >>trying to get out of creating profiles and proxy settings for every >>user...... >>Thanks... >>Rick O'Dell >>rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us >>Bakersfield R4 School >>Bakersfield MO >> Rick: I was told (by Eric THE MAN himself, I think it was Eric) that you really don't want to mess with making your K12LTSP server also do transparent proxying. So I just got another box and setup squid/squidguard/dansguardian on it as the transparent proxy filter. All the computers in my school use it as the gateway. We have about 100 PCs on the network. The proxy server is a Cel. 533 with 384 Mb RAM. It handles the traffic just fine. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From julius at turtle.com Fri Feb 20 09:45:01 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri Feb 20 09:45:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Demo server specs In-Reply-To: <40361A19.2060501@netscape.net> References: <40361A19.2060501@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40767.216.216.171.3.1077288378.squirrel@216.216.171.236> >> I just use my laptop - a small sony v505, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB. it is >>good for running 3 stations fast, than it fades, but it is only 4lb. My >>previous laptop was below 3lb and worked well with 3 stations p3 600MHz >>1GB. You can get one of those refurb or used for a song. julius >> >> > OK Julius > > What song ! and how many can I get ? :-D > Norbert, you can look up the Sony Vaio SR series on Sony website - if there are any refurbs, they should be well below $1000 (i recall seeing one for $650 several months ago). The source for used ones - ebay. I'd go for the stuff below $500 with guarantee to work out of the box. things to remember: SRs have 10" screens - very readable, but if you are far-sighted get a big magnifying glass; they have no built-in nic, so you need a pc card, and you can have only one. but boy, at 2.9 pounds they are light! julius From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 20 09:47:00 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri Feb 20 09:47:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <1077244453.24258.8.camel@ltsp.bofh> References: <4035267B.3040808@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <1077244453.24258.8.camel@ltsp.bofh> Message-ID: <40361E30.7030806@glenwood.k12.mo.us> ssanders at coin.org wrote: > hi richard and rick, i am in columbia mo... > > i used squid for a couple of years, to (apparently) speed up dialup > users. i didn't have K12LTSP going at the time, so i manually altered > the individual browser settings to proxy through it, a moderate hassle. > i also used it to block sites that were unappropriate by constantly > editing ACL lists, and redirecting everything that failed to a 'purty > 404' page. in that situation, i had to run it on a separate machine. an > old PII with 512 meg of RAM was more than adequate. i have not used > dan's guardian, but have read that it's better/easier as far as blocking > sites. I use squid/dansguardian and love it. I like that I can customize the phrases that are blocked. It's a nice app and I use the webmin module to my admin work. Easy. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 20 09:52:00 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri Feb 20 09:52:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40361F4E.1010305@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Rick O'Dell wrote: > I thought I might try Dans Guardian but I wanted to get this to work > first. This is my first terminal server, and I'm having enough problems just > getting everything to boot. I would like to have the bugs out before I open > it up the classroom... > Thanks > Rick... > What's the problem? Give us some details here and I'll bet someone here on the list can help out. Who knows, maybe even I can do it! I'd be willing to help out and maybe visit your building if you want. I'd like to meet a fellow Linux user in the area. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 20 09:54:02 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri Feb 20 09:54:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40361FEE.7090307@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Rick O'Dell wrote: > Richard, Hi, Glenwood, wow, next door. Thanks for the reply, I was hoping > to get by without another server, this is my first and it will only have 5 > or 6 workstations attached. It maybe alright as is I don't know.. > What about profiles, do you create a profile for each user and set up the > proxy settings the web browser????? > Like I say, I new at this.... > Rick.. You can make the server authenticate each user if you want. I don't do that. I may in the future. That way you can create customized "block" lists depending upon the user. I just blanket block the stuff I don't want people viewing. The policy applies to all users. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From James.Bromley at lvksch.org Fri Feb 20 09:57:01 2004 From: James.Bromley at lvksch.org (James) Date: Fri Feb 20 09:57:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Area Wide user Group. Was - Changing proxy settings Message-ID: <770864CD243F9640A4E049D751E5968718CD7A@usd453mail.lvksch.com> We should conceder an area wide user group to meet a couple of times a year. It sounds like a few in the area are working on Projects Like this. James Bromley Leavenworth Public Schools James.Bromley at lvksch.org -----Original Message----- From: Richard K. Ingalls [mailto:ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:53 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings Rick O'Dell wrote: > I thought I might try Dans Guardian but I wanted to get this to work > first. This is my first terminal server, and I'm having enough problems just > getting everything to boot. I would like to have the bugs out before I open > it up the classroom... > Thanks > Rick... > What's the problem? Give us some details here and I'll bet someone here on the list can help out. Who knows, maybe even I can do it! I'd be willing to help out and maybe visit your building if you want. I'd like to meet a fellow Linux user in the area. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 20 10:10:01 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri Feb 20 10:10:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Area Wide user Group. Was - Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <770864CD243F9640A4E049D751E5968718CD7A@usd453mail.lvksch.com> References: <770864CD243F9640A4E049D751E5968718CD7A@usd453mail.lvksch.com> Message-ID: <40362387.4010507@glenwood.k12.mo.us> James wrote: > We should conceder an area wide user group to meet a couple of times a > year. It sounds like a few in the area are working on Projects Like > this. > > James Bromley > Leavenworth Public Schools > James.Bromley at lvksch.org > Sounds great to me! Where are you located? We could just agree to meet during the MORE.net conferences. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk Fri Feb 20 10:16:00 2004 From: mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk (Martin Stevens) Date: Fri Feb 20 10:16:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] bpbatch Message-ID: <1077290215.29839.2.camel@mercury> Hi, Has anyone managed to get bpbatch working to dual boot a thin client and a hard drive install of windows ? My current setup manages to call the pxelinux.bin but then fails with Could not find kernel image: linux Martin Stevens From keboone39 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 20 10:34:01 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Fri Feb 20 10:34:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP Message-ID: Sort of in the reverse of attaching to a MS Terminal server with rdesktop...win 2K machines would point to the k12 TS and run apps on it. >From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:17:27 -0500 > >Kevin Boone wrote: > >>Can the TS work the same if it were given a static IP address? In other >>word, can we point the clients to the server IP to run ltsp? >> >Not sure what you mean here. The TS should always have a static IP address >itself, and by default, it does on the ?inside? interface (assumes a >two-NIC installation). You have to have something consistent for your >clients to point to, for both the TFTP server and the NFS server. > >Do you mean giving the clients themselves static IP addresses? > >--TP >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Do you GNU!? >Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when >online :-) > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage ? 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From wescott_mike at emc.com Fri Feb 20 10:38:45 2004 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Fri Feb 20 10:38:45 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:17:27 EST." <40358A57.8090602@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200402201539.i1KFdktm014601@strange.us.dg.com> >> Can the TS work the same if it were given a static IP address? In >> other word, can we point the clients to the server IP to run ltsp? > Not sure what you mean here. The TS should always have a static IP > address itself, and by default, it does on the ?inside? interface > (assumes a two-NIC installation). You have to have something consistent > for your clients to point to, for both the TFTP server and the NFS server. The server has two address. The "downstream" NIC supports the clients and by default has a static address of 192.168.0.254. The upstream NIC connects to the rest of the world, and by default has a DHCP assigned address. There is no reason why this can't be made static. Just make sure you get the right address and default gateway from your network administrators. It may not be a common occurrence, but you do need to make sure that the 192.168.0.0/24 subnet isn't in use locally on the upstream side lest that part of the school network be made unreachable by the server. -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM From mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk Fri Feb 20 11:25:02 2004 From: mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk (Martin Stevens) Date: Fri Feb 20 11:25:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] bpbatch In-Reply-To: <1077290215.29839.2.camel@mercury> References: <1077290215.29839.2.camel@mercury> Message-ID: <1077294387.29839.5.camel@mercury> Bad form replying to your own posts I know, I found some documentation on the LTSP site, and I have PXE menu's working now. Just gotta see what I can do with the boot rom pc's now Martin On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 15:16, Martin Stevens wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone managed to get bpbatch working to dual boot a thin client and > a hard drive install of windows ? > > My current setup manages to call the pxelinux.bin > > but then fails with > > Could not find kernel image: linux > > Martin Stevens > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Feb 20 11:45:01 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri Feb 20 11:45:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting In-Reply-To: <021920041602.1460.3eff@comcast.net> Message-ID: Just to wrap up the solution to the Compaq Deskpro 4000S Small Form Factor... with onboard Netelligent NIC. I downloaded the ROM paq, but do not have the special software necessary to do the remote ROM update, null modem cable etc. DUMB system if you ask me. The latest ROMpaq also addresses the PXE boot issue, but who know if it would have fixed it .... didn't get to try it. SO THEREFORE, I disabled the onboard NIC in the setup - had to do this via diskette as I had removed the Hdd (makes for nice quiet machine later). I then installed a 3Com905c, ran setup again to confirm that it was recognized and the boot order included the NIC (I had tried another RTL NIC but it was not included in the boot order. Now that I got that, I included that MAC address in the dhcpd.conf and viola! we have a wonderful thin client.... a P233 with 32Mb of RAM that works great. I get 1024x768 video on it. What more could you ask from a machine that was destined for the recycler! I wish I could report a solution to the Netitelligent NIC, but I did not have to tools to deal with it.... so I resignated and installed a real NIC joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:02 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: Joe Guenther; k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting Joe, Try changing the server settings and leave the onboard nic. Your problem is most likely caused by the implementation of PXE booting in Intel Landesk 0.99 and will persist even if you swap out the nic. My Intel motherboard had an onboard Intel eepro100 nic and it couldn't boot without making those changes. I think you'll find you have to change these settings no matter what nic you use. Good luck and let us know how you make out. Jesse > Jesse, > > That was a great link ... that is what makes this list so phenomenal!! So > now the question is, ... do I just disable the onboard NIC and throw in a > standard 3com905c ... certainly more simple. But hey thanks for the > incredible tip. > > joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf > Of Jesse McDonnell > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:06 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:19:16 -0700 > "Joe Guenther" wrote: > > > I have an older Pentium 233MXX Compaq Deskpro with an on board Netlligent > > NIC. It will not PXE boot. A bit newer PIII600 Compaq Deskpro with > onboard > > Intel will work. SO I know that my server is functional. > > > > Here is the non-functioning boot Dialogue > > > > BOOTP > > DHCP... > > PXE-EA1: No PXE server found, using standard boot file > > IP ADDR: 192.168.0.6 (so DHCP is working as per the DHCP.conf > configuration) > > TFTP..... > > PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout > > > > LSA-M99: Exiting LANDesk Service Agent > > > > > > DHCP is working or it would not get the 192.168.0.6 address > > PXE does work on the other compaq > > > > So where do I point this little monster to get his boot file? > > > > Joe, > > I had an identical problem when setting up an Intel cn430tx board with > onboard nic and Landesk Service Agent 0.99. Landesk Service Agent 0.99 is > known to be buggy. The solution that worked for me is outlined at > http://syslinux.zytor.com/hardware.php#network. > > Briefly, disable path MTU discovery on the boot server by changing the > content of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from 0 to 1. > To do this. as root, run echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from > the command line. If you ever reboot your server you will have to rerun this > command. > > Disable the blksize TFTP option on your TFTP server by adding -r blksize to > the server_args in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > The line in my system is: > > server_args = -r blksize -s /tftpboot/ > > You'll have to restart tftp for the changes to take effect.: /sbin/service > xinetd restart should take of that. > > This works for me...hope it does for you. > > Good luck! > > Jesse McDonnell > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Feb 20 11:54:01 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri Feb 20 11:54:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I only noticed this thread later so maybe this has been addressed. We had a similar situation where we only had one LTSP box in a boys dorm and wanted to force proxy use. Andrew Bartlett of the Samba team happened to come by Germany as we were working on this. He wrote us an IPTABLES that only allowed packets from UID root, named, and squid directly out the public eth1 network card. Thus the students could change their proxy settings on Mozilla, but then they got *nothing* ... turn it on if you want internet. IPTABLES has the ability to verify UID of the packet sender ... so that was a brilliant bit of programming on the iptables developer's part. This makes for a VERY powerful firewall. We then did not do any transparent proxy or anything like that ... just a normal proxy setup, proxy set in Mozilla and GO... my 2 bits joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:05 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings Hi all I'm new to the list and Linux in general. I have a Red Hat 9 terminal server set up, I'm using squid and squidguard for proxy and filtering. My question is how do you keep the students from changing the proxy settings in Mozilla???? Also along the same line, is there a way to disable Mozilla profiles or at least use one profile for everyone???? I'm trying to get out of creating profiles and proxy settings for every user...... Thanks... Rick O'Dell rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Bakersfield R4 School Bakersfield MO -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Feb 20 11:57:00 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri Feb 20 11:57:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxmath---was Off topic browser issue Message-ID: <022020041657.4084.325@comcast.net> As luck would have it, the 8th grade math class came down to the lab today to run Green Globs on the Windows Terminal server (via rdesktop). GTK+Equation Editor can do the graphing. but ... can't do the 2 remaining pieces: 1) plot points which the user has to find equations for, and keep score based on how many points each equation intercepts, 2) generate a 'hidden' function which is revealed as the user/player generates parts of it. Not sure if Tux Math was intended for the same audience as Green Globs, but this would be intriguing. Alternatively, perhaps GTK+EE could be enhanced. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark, Delaware 19713 > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 05:03:45PM -0600, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > > I'm no teacher...but the main thing I see this wonderful program missing is > > accountability. If it could be split into different levels....and the > > students could be graded on each level and have a percentile correct posted > > after each level that would be nice. > > This is where I lack ANY kind of background. :^) I don't think the games > I played on Apple IIs back in elementary school 20 years ago had this. > > For folks interested in discussing Tux Math more (including you, Caleb!) > sign up for the mailing list over at sourceforge. > > http://www.sf.net/projects/tuxmath/ > > Click "Lists" > > :) > > -bill! > bill at newbreedsoftware.com "Hey Shatner, ya remember that episode of > http://newbreedsoftware.com/bill/ Space Trek where your show got cancelled?" > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Feb 20 11:57:07 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri Feb 20 11:57:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <40355C21.9030301@gwi.net> Message-ID: The PROBLEM with this on an LTSP box is that you as the terminal are the same IP as the proxy. So if you cut off the IP address of the user, squid can now no longer talk either ... catch 22 read my other thread on the solution to this.... use UID verification in IPTABLES joe -----Original Message----- >>Bakersfield MO >> >> Alternatively if you have reason to keep a non-transparent proxy, you can use firewall settings (or iptables if it is linux) to block direct connections to common webserver ports from internal address except the proxy server. That way if the student changes their proxy settings their web access will no longer work. They will quickly stop doing it. From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Fri Feb 20 12:34:06 2004 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (dale.quigg at aspentech.com) Date: Fri Feb 20 12:34:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Does squidGuard do reverse lookups on URL's with IP address? Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking to create a web filter using squidGuard and the blacklists on squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering It looks to me like the porn/domains file does not contain IP addresses for all the sites listed. Is it then possible for users to enter the IP address for blocked sites and bypass the filtering? I know that DansGuardian has an option to do a reverse lookup on entered IPs and compare to the blacklist, but I don't know if this is/can be handled by squidGuard. Thanks for any assistance. Dale From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 20 12:42:32 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Fri Feb 20 12:42:32 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <40361D54.2050909@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: Is there a way to create & view a log file that will log all internet activity by user name????? Rick.. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Richard K. Ingalls Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:45 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings bandwith at tracklan.com wrote: > I assume you want all http related traffic to be filtered using squid. > > http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy-5.html > > Otherwise you would have to change permissions on the mozilla settings > file that would become tedious to maintain. > > >> Hi all I'm new to the list and Linux in general. I have a Red Hat 9 >>terminal server set up, I'm using squid and squidguard for proxy and >>filtering. My question is how do you keep the students from changing the >>proxy settings in Mozilla???? Also along the same line, is there a way to >>disable Mozilla profiles or at least use one profile for everyone???? I'm >>trying to get out of creating profiles and proxy settings for every >>user...... >>Thanks... >>Rick O'Dell >>rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us >>Bakersfield R4 School >>Bakersfield MO >> Rick: I was told (by Eric THE MAN himself, I think it was Eric) that you really don't want to mess with making your K12LTSP server also do transparent proxying. So I just got another box and setup squid/squidguard/dansguardian on it as the transparent proxy filter. All the computers in my school use it as the gateway. We have about 100 PCs on the network. The proxy server is a Cel. 533 with 384 Mb RAM. It handles the traffic just fine. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 From dgough at papcs.com Fri Feb 20 12:48:07 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri Feb 20 12:48:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings Message-ID: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635AC1@xms.papcs.com> Dansguardian and Squid can do this. Also, check out a standalone Linux distro called CensorNet. We are using it and are very happy with it. Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell > Sent: February 20, 2004 9:56 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings > > > Is there a way to create & view a log file that will > log all internet activity by user name????? > > > Rick.. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Richard K. Ingalls > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:45 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings > > > bandwith at tracklan.com wrote: > > I assume you want all http related traffic to be filtered > using squid. > > > > http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy-5.html > > > > Otherwise you would have to change permissions on the > mozilla settings > > file that would become tedious to maintain. > > > > > >> Hi all I'm new to the list and Linux in general. I have > a Red Hat 9 > >>terminal server set up, I'm using squid and squidguard for > proxy and > >>filtering. My question is how do you keep the students from > changing > >>the proxy settings in Mozilla???? Also along the same line, > is there a > >>way to disable Mozilla profiles or at least use one profile for > >>everyone???? I'm trying to get out of creating profiles and proxy > >>settings for every user...... Thanks... > >>Rick O'Dell > >>rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > >>Bakersfield R4 School > >>Bakersfield MO > >> > > Rick: > > I was told (by Eric THE MAN himself, I think it > was Eric) that you really don't want to mess with > making your K12LTSP server also do transparent > proxying. So I just got another box and setup > squid/squidguard/dansguardian on it as the transparent proxy > filter. All the computers in my school use it as the > gateway. We have about 100 PCs on the network. The proxy > server is a Cel. 533 with 384 Mb RAM. It handles the traffic > just fine. > > -- > =========================================================== > Richard K. Ingalls > Director of Information Technology > Glenwood R-8 School District > West Plains, MO > > email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us > web....glenwood.k12.mo.us > ph.....417.256.4849 > fax....417.257.2567 > > "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" > =========================================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 20 12:51:21 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Fri Feb 20 12:51:21 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635AC1@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: Thank you I'll check it out... Thanks Rick...... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Doug Gough Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 11:50 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings Dansguardian and Squid can do this. Also, check out a standalone Linux distro called CensorNet. We are using it and are very happy with it. Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell > Sent: February 20, 2004 9:56 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings > > > Is there a way to create & view a log file that will > log all internet activity by user name????? > > > Rick.. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Richard K. Ingalls > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:45 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings > > > bandwith at tracklan.com wrote: > > I assume you want all http related traffic to be filtered > using squid. > > > > http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy-5.html > > > > Otherwise you would have to change permissions on the > mozilla settings > > file that would become tedious to maintain. > > > > > >> Hi all I'm new to the list and Linux in general. I have > a Red Hat 9 > >>terminal server set up, I'm using squid and squidguard for > proxy and > >>filtering. My question is how do you keep the students from > changing > >>the proxy settings in Mozilla???? Also along the same line, > is there a > >>way to disable Mozilla profiles or at least use one profile for > >>everyone???? I'm trying to get out of creating profiles and proxy > >>settings for every user...... Thanks... > >>Rick O'Dell > >>rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > >>Bakersfield R4 School > >>Bakersfield MO > >> > > Rick: > > I was told (by Eric THE MAN himself, I think it > was Eric) that you really don't want to mess with > making your K12LTSP server also do transparent > proxying. So I just got another box and setup > squid/squidguard/dansguardian on it as the transparent proxy > filter. All the computers in my school use it as the > gateway. We have about 100 PCs on the network. The proxy > server is a Cel. 533 with 384 Mb RAM. It handles the traffic > just fine. > > -- > =========================================================== > Richard K. Ingalls > Director of Information Technology > Glenwood R-8 School District > West Plains, MO > > email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us > web....glenwood.k12.mo.us > ph.....417.256.4849 > fax....417.257.2567 > > "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" > =========================================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Feb 20 12:54:00 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri Feb 20 12:54:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups printing from Windows XP? Message-ID: <022020041751.1733.691a@comcast.net> Okay, I read an article that said this was easy. Just not for me. I have cups working (I can print to the printers on the Linux side, no problems). But ... when i try to specify the printer as http://mysystem:631/printers/ws003p (e.g. printer on thin client ws003), Windows reports back that it cannot find the printer. I have no idea which setting in cupsd.conf I need to change/set. Any ideas? Thanks, Dave Hopkins From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Feb 20 13:22:01 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri Feb 20 13:22:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4036507B.7020501@gwi.net> Joe Guenther wrote: >The PROBLEM with this on an LTSP box is that you as the terminal are the >same IP as the proxy. So if you cut off the IP address of the user, squid >can now no longer talk either ... catch 22 > >read my other thread on the solution to this.... use UID verification in >IPTABLES > >joe > > > Given your clarification of the problem being solved I wholeheartedly concur. I have used UID restrictions in the OUTPUT chain of the filter table and it is very powerful. Something like this should do the trick: *filter ... -A OUTPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT -A OUTPUT -o eth1 -m owner --uid-owner root -j ACCEPT -A OUTPUT -o eth1 -m owner --uid-owner named -j ACCEPT -A OUTPUT -o eth1 -m owner --uid-owner squid -j ACCEPT -A OUTPUT -o eth1 -j REJECT ... COMMIT I don't know what else you have configured on this server, so be careful when/how you test this. The following commands can help to see what is happening if you don't get expected results: cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack iptables -vL OUTPUT Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From keboone39 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 20 14:48:00 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Fri Feb 20 14:48:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? Message-ID: thank you. >From: ssanders at coin.org >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:38:18 -0600 > >woops, that would be cat /proc/cpuinfo for SMP verification. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage ? 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Feb 20 15:37:13 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri Feb 20 15:37:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4036705E.3030601@cmosnetworks.com> Having to make a few assumptions here. Do you mean kind of like this? Win2K Win2K Win2K | | | -------------------------- MAIN LAN (say, 10.40.0.0/20) | | | 10.40.0.200 K12LTSP Server | 192.168.0.254 | | ---------------------------- K12LTSP LAN | | | 192.168.0.0/24 K12LTSP K12LTSP K12LTSP Client Client Client In this scenario, folks would hit Network Neighborhood / My Network Places from the Win boxes, find a share called, say, \\K12LTSPBOX\coolapps\AdobeAcrobat, where acrord32.exe lives, and run it from there. They may also have a desktop shortcut pointing to this UNC path, or maybe a mapped drive (say, N:\AdobeAcrobat). Is this what you have in mind? If I?m off base here, please correct me. --TP Kevin Boone wrote: > Sort of in the reverse of attaching to a MS Terminal server with > rdesktop...win 2K machines would point to the k12 TS and run apps on it. > > > > >> From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >> Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:17:27 -0500 >> >> Kevin Boone wrote: >> >>> Can the TS work the same if it were given a static IP address? In >>> other word, can we point the clients to the server IP to run ltsp? >>> >> Not sure what you mean here. The TS should always have a static IP >> address itself, and by default, it does on the ?inside? interface >> (assumes a two-NIC installation). You have to have something >> consistent for your clients to point to, for both the TFTP server and >> the NFS server. >> >> Do you mean giving the clients themselves static IP addresses? > > From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri Feb 20 16:32:49 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri Feb 20 16:32:49 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxmath---was Off topic browser issue Message-ID: "Caleb Wagnon" wrote: >> I'm no teacher...but the main thing I see this wonderful program missing is accountability. If it could be split into different levels....and the students could be graded on each level and have a percentile correct posted after each level that would be nice. << That's been my experience, too. Tux Math was the first program I installed on our school LAN while experimenting with how to add Start menu shortcuts to people's profiles under Samba. Unfortunately no-one uses it because the little kids find some of the questions much too hard, and the older kids find 1+1 too easy. Perhaps if it posed questions based on the times tables the kids are working on, plus a proportion of revision material as well? Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From shahms at shahms.com Fri Feb 20 16:57:13 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Fri Feb 20 16:57:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups printing from Windows XP? In-Reply-To: <022020041751.1733.691a@comcast.net> References: <022020041751.1733.691a@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1077314104.23718.3.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Well, the main problem is that Windows expects to be able to do a good number of non-standard things before it will print to an IPP printer. If you turn logging up and look at the logfiles when the Windows machine connects, you'll see a lot of requests for files ending in '{a-bunch-of-gibberish-with-dashes}'. This is Windows requesting alternate streams (I believe) which CUPS (obviously) doesn't support. Failing to find those, it mistakenly believes the printer doesn't exist and exits. The only way I've had success with this is setting up samba to use cups ("printing = cups" *and* "printcap = cups") and then connecting to the samba printer with Windows. Maybe they'll fix it, maybe they won't. The problem is not cups, but, as usual, Windows' semi-standard implementation of IPP. On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 09:51, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Okay, I read an article that said this was easy. Just not for me. I have cups working (I can print to the printers on the Linux side, no problems). But ... when i try to specify the printer as http://mysystem:631/printers/ws003p (e.g. printer on thin client ws003), Windows reports back that it cannot find the printer. I have no idea which setting in cupsd.conf I need to change/set. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Dave Hopkins > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Shahms King From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 20 17:06:04 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:06:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <35115.69.73.4.157.1077233539.squirrel@secure.valley-data.com> Message-ID: I liked the looks of this, but i never could get it to work... In the mean time I have created a new problem. Now I can't get squid to allow access to anyone anytime. The error is "ACCESS DENIED Access Control configuration prevents your request from being allowed.." I am trying to stay close to the defaults using port 3128, acl=all, Squid seems to like the subnet ip range and the subnet mask, but no access. If I disable the proxy in the web browser, no problem getting out. Can anyone help with config, PLEASE???? I've pretty much blew the day, but I hate to give up..... Rick... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of bandwith at tracklan.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 5:32 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings I assume you want all http related traffic to be filtered using squid. http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy-5.html Otherwise you would have to change permissions on the mozilla settings file that would become tedious to maintain. > Hi all I'm new to the list and Linux in general. I have a Red Hat 9 > terminal server set up, I'm using squid and squidguard for proxy and > filtering. My question is how do you keep the students from changing the > proxy settings in Mozilla???? Also along the same line, is there a way to > disable Mozilla profiles or at least use one profile for everyone???? I'm > trying to get out of creating profiles and proxy settings for every > user...... > Thanks... > Rick O'Dell > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > Bakersfield R4 School > Bakersfield MO > > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Fri Feb 20 17:11:01 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:11:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Scribus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077315086.6928.10.camel@crux> Thanks Eric -- the rpm works perfectly on both Fedora and RH9. We've been formatting the school paper exclusively on our single Mac using Quark -- now I can distribute some of the formatting work without a prohibitive expense. I'll send you a copy when we pull it off. -- Pat On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 20:42, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Pat Healy wrote: > > >Hello. (Eric and Warren) > > > >Scribus came out with a new version 1.1.5 last weekend. > >I've been having trouble getting it to compile. > > > >It offers some new features over 1.1.3 that I will need in order > >to use it to produce my school newspaper. > > > >Any chance of an update rpm for K12LTSP 4.01? > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From shahms at shahms.com Fri Feb 20 17:13:04 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:13:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups printing from Windows XP? In-Reply-To: <022020041751.1733.691a@comcast.net> References: <022020041751.1733.691a@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1077315096.23718.9.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Hrm, of course, as soon as I sent the previous email I actually tried it using CUPS 1.1.17 and Windows 2000 and it worked just fine. (Well, I had to install the appropriate printer driver, but you should also be able to use a generic postscript driver). I literally told it to add a printer on my local intranet, typed in the path (like you did) and it just worked. You might want to look in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and make sure you're allowing access from more than just localhost (as is the default). On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 09:51, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Okay, I read an article that said this was easy. Just not for me. I have cups working (I can print to the printers on the Linux side, no problems). But ... when i try to specify the printer as http://mysystem:631/printers/ws003p (e.g. printer on thin client ws003), Windows reports back that it cannot find the printer. I have no idea which setting in cupsd.conf I need to change/set. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Dave Hopkins > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Shahms King From Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com Fri Feb 20 17:19:02 2004 From: Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com (Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:19:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] This $5 motherboard and processor - good for K12LTSP? Message-ID: How about a 1.3GHz C3 board+chip combo with integrated sound, network, and video for $5 after rebate? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?Edpno=146907 FROM THE PAGE ABOVE : PRICE: $59.99 LESS REBATE: - $54.99 FINAL PRICE: $5.00* Compare at: $89.99 Save $84.99 Quantity Usually ships within 7 - 14 Days *Price after a $54.99 mail-in rebate. Expires on 02/28/2004. Rebate limited to 1 per household. http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/Rebates/PDFs/s452-1001,1002,2000-feb.pdf shows you have 30 days from the DATE OF PUCHASE to get it postmarked. ------------------------------- Here are some numbers taken from Sandra, CPU airthmetic benchmark VIA C3 1GHz 64L2: ALU 1229 MIPS, FPU 352 MFLOPS. Intel Celeron 600MHz 128L2: ALU 1620 MIPS, FPU 804 MFLOPS. --------- supposed to be able to run it fanless ??? Not an overly impressive processor....but for $5 :) Just thought I'd post it in case anyone wanted to try it out....... or maybe we could have a rebatefest and 30 or 40 of us order them for one school ??? I'd donate $5 :) Just a thought. Dave Crouse www.usalug.org From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Fri Feb 20 17:25:01 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:25:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Does squidGuard do reverse lookups on URL's with IP address? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077315966.2105.10.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 12:33, dale.quigg at aspentech.com wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking to create a web filter using squidGuard and the blacklists on > squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering > > It looks to me like the porn/domains file does not contain IP addresses for > all the sites listed. Is it then possible for users to enter the IP address > for blocked sites and bypass the filtering? > > I know that DansGuardian has an option to do a reverse lookup on entered IPs > and compare to the blacklist, but I don't know if this is/can be handled by > squidGuard. > Unfortunately squidGuard doesn't do this AFAIK. We always enter sites by both url and ip when we put stuff in local-block. Since the rest of the domains don't have both url and ip, at least for everything, it sadly is open to that extent. It would be great if this could be added as it seems to us the single biggest deficiency with SG. We tried DG once because of that issue but couldn't use it because it doesn't support multiple levels of filtering - or didn't at that time. Administration has declared different levels of filtering for admin, high school, middle school, and elementary school here so one size doesn't fit all. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us From jwarf at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Feb 20 17:27:01 2004 From: jwarf at chatham.k12.nc.us (John Warf) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:27:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Modem Disconnnect Message-ID: This may be a little off topic for this group but here goes. I have recently gotten a new Cisco access server and have users dialin in to a pri circuit to access the internet from home. I need a way to see exactly who is online. I also need a way to disconnect users that have idled past there time or if all of my lines are full. I can telnet into my access server to find my users but would like to just be able to enter one command to login to the server and display my users from my linux box. I also need some software to disconnect users. I would prefer it to be free. Any suggestions are greatly accepted. John -- John Warf Network Administrator/Connectivity Specialist Chatham County Schools PO Box 128 / 369 West Street Pittsboro, NC 27312 USA 919.542.3626 x 286 919.542.1380 fax mailto:jwarf at chatham.k12.nc.us http://www.chatham.k12.nc.us From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 20 17:48:01 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:48:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40368ECC.7080102@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Rick O'Dell wrote: > I liked the looks of this, but i never could get it to work... In the mean > time I have created a new problem. Now I can't get squid to allow access to > anyone anytime. The error is "ACCESS DENIED Access Control configuration > prevents your request from being allowed.." I am trying to stay close to the > defaults using port 3128, acl=all, Squid seems to like the subnet ip range > and the subnet mask, but no access. If I disable the proxy in the web > browser, no problem getting out. Can anyone help with config, PLEASE???? > I've pretty much blew the day, but I hate to give up..... > > Rick... > Are these lines uncommented in your squid.conf ? http_access allow all http_access allow localhost -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From nbs at sonic.net Fri Feb 20 17:54:46 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:54:46 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxmath---was Off topic browser issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040220225458.GG18406@sonic.net> On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 08:34:30AM +1100, Les Bell wrote: > That's been my experience, too. Tux Math was the first program I installed > on our school LAN while experimenting with how to add Start menu shortcuts > to people's profiles under Samba. Unfortunately no-one uses it because the > little kids find some of the questions much too hard, and the older kids > find 1+1 too easy. Perhaps if it posed questions based on the times tables > the kids are working on, plus a proportion of revision material as well? Heh, EXACTLY. :^) The initial releases were "look, the game engine works!" With the hopes that teachers would chime in on /exactly/ how the difficulty and so forth should come out. Feel free to hop on the tuxmath mailing list at sf.net/projects/tuxmath ;) -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Fri Feb 20 17:56:02 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:56:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxmath---was Off topic browser issue In-Reply-To: <022020041657.4084.325@comcast.net> References: <022020041657.4084.325@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040220225721.GH18406@sonic.net> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 04:57:51PM +0000, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Not sure if Tux Math was intended for the same audience as Green > Globs, but this would be intriguing. Alternatively, perhaps GTK+EE > could be enhanced. Yeah, Green Globs seems to be for graphing equations. Tux Math is an arcade-style math quizzing game. ("Quick, what's 15-7? What's 3*8?!") I'm not familiar with GTK+EE, but it sounds closer. Perhaps the GTK+EE developers would be willing to implement some of the features you've asked about? (Never feel shy about making feature requests, I always say!) -bill! From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 20 17:57:00 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:57:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings In-Reply-To: <40368ECC.7080102@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: Yes they are uncommented.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Richard K. Ingalls Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 4:49 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Changing proxy settings Rick O'Dell wrote: > I liked the looks of this, but i never could get it to work... In the mean > time I have created a new problem. Now I can't get squid to allow access to > anyone anytime. The error is "ACCESS DENIED Access Control configuration > prevents your request from being allowed.." I am trying to stay close to the > defaults using port 3128, acl=all, Squid seems to like the subnet ip range > and the subnet mask, but no access. If I disable the proxy in the web > browser, no problem getting out. Can anyone help with config, PLEASE???? > I've pretty much blew the day, but I hate to give up..... > > Rick... > Are these lines uncommented in your squid.conf ? http_access allow all http_access allow localhost -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.9.6 - Release Date: 2/18/2004 From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 20 18:17:02 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri Feb 20 18:17:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] "thick" client for now, thin client later... Message-ID: <403695C3.5050507@glenwood.k12.mo.us> My school may be getting a grant for two mini labs: 10 student PCs + Teacher PC + all the trimmings (smartboard, etc.). The catch is that the teachers will be getting training that will come only in the form of Microsoft Office and Windows XP + Inspiration. My goal is to purchase hardware that makes it possible for me to switch these mini-labs into K12LTSP labs when our grant/project is expired. I'll get teacher PCs that are powerful enough to be servers. The question is the student PCs... I really want to have *very* small form factor PCs for the clients. But, they will have to support a hard drive and CD-ROM when they're running in Windows mode. I've been thinking of simply buying refurbished Dell Optiplexes (which I've done before). BUT, I lose all the benefits of a true thin client (space saving, energy saving, noise reducing). Any suggestions? -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Feb 20 19:15:01 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri Feb 20 19:15:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] "thick" client for now, thin client later... In-Reply-To: <403695C3.5050507@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <403695C3.5050507@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1077322557.20873.2.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 15:18, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > I really want to have *very* small form factor PCs > for the clients. But, they will have to support a > hard drive and CD-ROM when they're running in > Windows mode. > Any suggestions? http://www.mini-itx.com should yield some inspiration. Not the cheapest route necessarily, but the mini-itx form factor is about as small as you can get and still have room for HDDs and CD-ROMs. The VIA boards are really great, and there several people on the list who have built LTSP terminals around them. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From netman1 at optonline.net Fri Feb 20 19:39:03 2004 From: netman1 at optonline.net (Jim Anderson) Date: Fri Feb 20 19:39:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] "thick" client for now, thin client later... In-Reply-To: <403695C3.5050507@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <403695C3.5050507@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1077324664.2510.19.camel@HerrTux.local> On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 18:18, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > My school may be getting a grant for two mini > labs: 10 student PCs + Teacher PC + all the > trimmings (smartboard, etc.). The catch is that > the teachers will be getting training that will > come only in the form of Microsoft Office and > Windows XP + Inspiration. > > My goal is to purchase hardware that makes it > possible for me to switch these mini-labs into > K12LTSP labs when our grant/project is expired. > I'll get teacher PCs that are powerful enough to > be servers. The question is the student PCs... > > I really want to have *very* small form factor PCs > for the clients. But, they will have to support a > hard drive and CD-ROM when they're running in > Windows mode. > > I've been thinking of simply buying refurbished > Dell Optiplexes (which I've done before). BUT, I > lose all the benefits of a true thin client (space > saving, energy saving, noise reducing). > > Any suggestions? Some Optiplex variants come with a LANdesk agent that will boot from the network. I'm not sure if they are capable of booting LTSP. The ones with LANdesk are id'd by an "EM" at bootup (as in GXa 266 EM+). The other problem is that you would have to switch the bootup sequence in BIOS between LANdesk and the hard disk. I believe you can force a bootup menu on Optiplexes by hitting ESC during the boot sequence. An alternative is to have thin clients booting to LTSP and then accessing a Windows Terminal Server session using rdesktop for the Windows apps. Cost of the Win TS licensing will be a factor here. A possible solution, if you already have PCs with Windows on them, is to set up a client to access the Linux TS from a Windows client session. You'd have to do some looking around to see how this can be done. Of course you could aways just have a Windows PC set up in the Linux lab if it is only the teacher who needs certain apps, and even that computer can run OpenOffice for consistency. -- Jim Anderson Powered by SuSE Linux 9.0 and OpenOffice.org 1.1 Registered Linux User #269312 Be counted! http://counter.li.org "Open Standards - Open Source - Open Minds" From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Fri Feb 20 19:52:01 2004 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Fri Feb 20 19:52:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting In-Reply-To: References: <021920041602.1460.3eff@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040220195536.14ba41f9.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:45:34 -0700 "Joe Guenther" wrote: > Just to wrap up the solution to the Compaq Deskpro 4000S Small Form > Factor... with onboard Netelligent NIC. > > [snipped solution] > I wish I could report a solution to the Netitelligent NIC, but I did not > have to tools to deal with it.... so I resignated and installed a real NIC > Joe, I'm glad to see you've got everything working. Maybe sometime in the future someone finding this thread in the archives will come up with the definitive answer about the onboard Netitelligent! Take care, Jesse McDonnell From mriccardi at toughguy.net Fri Feb 20 20:13:08 2004 From: mriccardi at toughguy.net (Michael Riccardi) Date: Fri Feb 20 20:13:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] xmms no sound problem Message-ID: <1077326220.4742.4.camel@pc-24-177-6-2.will.ct.charter.com> okay so here goes: Hi everybody i'm Mike I'm new to linux, and i was introduced to this discussion group mailing list, by my cousin Tony [www.photodharma.com] anyway - I am trying to get xmms to play my mp3's. my system sound is working fine, when certain system events occur i get sound to play without a problem. i've downloaded all of the required plugins for xmms as far as i know. after i've loaded a playlist when xmms starts playing i have no sound, but it IS in fact playing. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Feb 20 21:13:02 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri Feb 20 21:13:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] This $5 motherboard and processor - good for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4036BF34.4090608@cmosnetworks.com> Yes, you can indeed run them fanless, but your heatsink should be pretty huge, and you should have at least minimal airflow through the case. The 1GHz version uses about 12W full-tilt, and, of course, they wouldn?t be running at full-tilt in thin-client mode. They are not really geared to go up against the Pentium III or Celeron desktop chips; their market is laptops and other low-power applications, kind of like Transmeta. That said, their oomph/watt ratio is really impressive. http://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20020605/index.html This thing?s actually got enough oomph to make a decent stand-alone box. Remembering that a Pentium-133 is already overkill for an Xterm, these would be way over the top for the horsepower we would need, all the while not sucking up all the building?s power. Useful for places like California. :-) --TP Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com wrote: > How about a 1.3GHz C3 board+chip combo with integrated sound, network, > and > video for $5 after rebate? > > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?Edpno=146907 > > > FROM THE PAGE ABOVE : > PRICE: > $59.99 > LESS REBATE: > - $54.99 > FINAL PRICE: > $5.00* > Compare at: $89.99 Save $84.99 > > Quantity > > Usually ships within 7 - 14 Days > > *Price after a $54.99 mail-in rebate. Expires on 02/28/2004. > Rebate limited to 1 per household. > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/Rebates/PDFs/s452-1001,1002,2000-feb.pdf > > > shows you have 30 days from the DATE OF PUCHASE to get it postmarked. > > ------------------------------- > > Here are some numbers taken from Sandra, CPU airthmetic benchmark > > VIA C3 1GHz 64L2: ALU 1229 MIPS, FPU 352 MFLOPS. > Intel Celeron 600MHz 128L2: ALU 1620 MIPS, FPU 804 MFLOPS. > > --------- supposed to be able to run it fanless ??? Not an overly > impressive processor....but for $5 :) > > Just thought I'd post it in case anyone wanted to try it out....... > or maybe we could have a rebatefest and 30 or 40 of us order them for > one school ??? I'd donate $5 :) Just a thought. > > Dave Crouse > www.usalug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Fri Feb 20 22:23:00 2004 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Fri Feb 20 22:23:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] xmms no sound problem In-Reply-To: <1077326220.4742.4.camel@pc-24-177-6-2.will.ct.charter.com> References: <1077326220.4742.4.camel@pc-24-177-6-2.will.ct.charter.com> Message-ID: <1077333852.16561.1.camel@homepc.localdomain> Take a look at your audio volume mixer and make sure that PCM and the master volume is turned up. "Red Hat" >> "Sound & Video" >> "volume control" ;-) On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 17:17, Michael Riccardi wrote: > okay so here goes: > Hi everybody i'm Mike I'm new to linux, and i was introduced to this > discussion group mailing list, by my cousin Tony [www.photodharma.com] > anyway - > I am trying to get xmms to play my mp3's. > my system sound is working fine, when certain system events occur i get > sound to play without a problem. > i've downloaded all of the required plugins for xmms as far as i know. > after i've loaded a playlist when xmms starts playing i have no sound, > but it IS in fact playing. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale High...........9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 voice(503)892-0722...fax(503)892-0723.. http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us From Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com Fri Feb 20 22:47:00 2004 From: Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com (Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com) Date: Fri Feb 20 22:47:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] xmms no sound problem In-Reply-To: <1077326220.4742.4.camel@pc-24-177-6-2.will.ct.charter.com> References: <1077326220.4742.4.camel@pc-24-177-6-2.will.ct.charter.com> Message-ID: K12LTSP 4.0 Fedora - Getting mp3 's to work in xmms http://usalug.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1265 Like Paul said, check your sound settings with a mixer. I usually type "kmix" in a terminal and use kmix to double check the mute settings and the volume. Dave Crouse www.usalug.org -----Original Message----- From: Michael Riccardi To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: 20 Feb 2004 20:17:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] xmms no sound problem okay so here goes: Hi everybody i'm Mike I'm new to linux, and i was introduced to this discussion group mailing list, by my cousin Tony [www.photodharma.com] anyway - I am trying to get xmms to play my mp3's. my system sound is working fine, when certain system events occur i get sound to play without a problem. i've downloaded all of the required plugins for xmms as far as i know. after i've loaded a playlist when xmms starts playing i have no sound, but it IS in fact playing. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mellax at pm.ee Sat Feb 21 06:02:01 2004 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Sat Feb 21 06:02:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] "thick" client for now, thin client later... In-Reply-To: <20040221021302.28963.86738.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040221021302.28963.86738.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40373B04.4050208@pm.ee> kHi! I use old C300/64MB RAM Compaq SFF (Small Form Factor) for clients. They have Laptop's CDR. From sylvain.phelippeaux at wanadoo.fr Sat Feb 21 07:58:31 2004 From: sylvain.phelippeaux at wanadoo.fr (Sylvain Phelippeaux - Wanadoo -) Date: Sat Feb 21 07:58:31 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help - FATAL server error Message-ID: <40375625.5080302@wanadoo.fr> Cant' connect a terminal (DELL OPTIPLEX) because of a fatal server error (You must specify a keyboard in CF86 config...) How can i do that ?... I must use a french (dell) windows keyboard... Please help From keboone39 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 21 08:58:36 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Sat Feb 21 08:58:36 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP Message-ID: This is good....yes win2k machines would be mapped to the k12box via UNC path,shortcut on the desktop etc....to the executable that would k12linux gui, programs etc on the win2k machine. I didn't want the win2k machines to pick up "new" ip addresses...unless it can be done without setting the k12ltsp server to run dhcp. Our school is already running a dhcp server, I've been told that I cannot put a dhcp server on the school network for the obvious reasons. >From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:38:54 -0500 > >Having to make a few assumptions here. Do you mean kind of like this? > > Win2K Win2K Win2K > | | | >-------------------------- MAIN LAN (say, 10.40.0.0/20) > | > | > | 10.40.0.200 > K12LTSP > Server | 192.168.0.254 > | > | >---------------------------- K12LTSP LAN > | | | 192.168.0.0/24 >K12LTSP K12LTSP K12LTSP >Client Client Client > > >In this scenario, folks would hit Network Neighborhood / My Network Places >from the Win boxes, find a share called, say, >\\K12LTSPBOX\coolapps\AdobeAcrobat, where acrord32.exe lives, and run it >from there. They may also have a desktop shortcut pointing to this UNC >path, or maybe a mapped drive (say, N:\AdobeAcrobat). > >Is this what you have in mind? If I?m off base here, please correct me. > >--TP > >Kevin Boone wrote: > >>Sort of in the reverse of attaching to a MS Terminal server with >>rdesktop...win 2K machines would point to the k12 TS and run apps on it. >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >>>Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >>>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:17:27 -0500 >>> >>>Kevin Boone wrote: >>> >>>>Can the TS work the same if it were given a static IP address? In other >>>>word, can we point the clients to the server IP to run ltsp? >>>> >>>Not sure what you mean here. The TS should always have a static IP >>>address itself, and by default, it does on the ?inside? interface >>>(assumes a two-NIC installation). You have to have something consistent >>>for your clients to point to, for both the TFTP server and the NFS >>>server. >>> >>>Do you mean giving the clients themselves static IP addresses? >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Feb 21 09:09:01 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Sat Feb 21 09:09:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help - FATAL server error In-Reply-To: <40375625.5080302@wanadoo.fr> References: <40375625.5080302@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <4037669E.8040106@downeast.net> check the errata page on ltsp.org for ltsp 4...chuck Sylvain Phelippeaux - Wanadoo - wrote: > Cant' connect a terminal (DELL OPTIPLEX) because of a fatal server > error (You must specify a keyboard in CF86 config...) > > How can i do that ?... > > I must use a french (dell) windows keyboard... > > Please help > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Feb 21 09:15:01 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat Feb 21 09:15:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] xmms no sound problem In-Reply-To: <1077326220.4742.4.camel@pc-24-177-6-2.will.ct.charter.com> References: <1077326220.4742.4.camel@pc-24-177-6-2.will.ct.charter.com> Message-ID: <40376856.8000509@snet.net> Michael Riccardi wrote: > okay so here goes: > Hi everybody i'm Mike I'm new to linux, and i was introduced to this > discussion group mailing list, by my cousin Tony [www.photodharma.com] > anyway - > I am trying to get xmms to play my mp3's. > my system sound is working fine, when certain system events occur i get > sound to play without a problem. > i've downloaded all of the required plugins for xmms as far as i know. > after i've loaded a playlist when xmms starts playing i have no sound, > but it IS in fact playing. > > I was thinking about this. I recently had issues with xmms sound in KDE and gnome, but not IceWM. I solved it by switching the sound server. What gui are you using? I might have the fix. tony > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From andyr at wizzy.com Sat Feb 21 09:54:02 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sat Feb 21 09:54:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use Message-ID: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> Folks, We are making considerable progress in South Africa to develop a workable school curriculum that is Linux-friendly. Directives have been announced by the Education Department that say that curriculum objectives be Open-source friendly. I have been working with Eshowe High School, where I installed an LTSP lab - see http://wizzy.org.za/ - which is operating well. They still need help, as they have no Linux experts onsite, but they have commendably jumped in with both feet. They are going through their checklist. * Word Processor - AbiWord. (I do not like OO - heavy) * Spreadsheet - Gnumeric. * Database. Please do not say mysql or something - I use those all the time, I need an Access-like file-based database. I seem to remember a proprietary DB that went open source last year that might fit the bill, but I cannot remember the name. All my google searches are hopelessly non-specific - queries for "database school linux msaccess" return far too many useless results. An MS-Access replacement, anyone - curriculum-friendly ? Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Feb 21 10:13:01 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat Feb 21 10:13:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> I'll be watching this thread, myself. Have you looked at http://www.knoda.org http://www.rekallrevealed.org/ http://www.koffice.org/kexi/ I haven't tried any of these yet, myself, but a while back I had tried some similar products and fialed to get the database server working, since I was trying to serve the database and access it from the same machine and was confused about how to go about setting this up. All the directions I could find were for setting up the database on a server and then accessing it from another machine on a network. I'd like to have something like this working, though, to set up my own gradebooks (gGradebook is a bit too simple to be truly useful, couldn't get opengrade to install and run) and also to catalog my book collection. tony Andy Rabagliati wrote: > Folks, > > We are making considerable progress in South Africa to develop > a workable school curriculum that is Linux-friendly. > > Directives have been announced by the Education Department that > say that curriculum objectives be Open-source friendly. > > I have been working with Eshowe High School, where I installed > an LTSP lab - see http://wizzy.org.za/ - which is operating > well. They still need help, as they have no Linux experts onsite, > but they have commendably jumped in with both feet. > > They are going through their checklist. > > * Word Processor - AbiWord. (I do not like OO - heavy) > * Spreadsheet - Gnumeric. > * Database. > > Please do not say mysql or something - I use those all the time, > I need an Access-like file-based database. I seem to remember > a proprietary DB that went open source last year that might > fit the bill, but I cannot remember the name. > > All my google searches are hopelessly non-specific - queries > for "database school linux msaccess" return far too many > useless results. > > An MS-Access replacement, anyone - curriculum-friendly ? > > Cheers, Andy! > > http://wizzy.org.za/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From andyr at wizzy.com Sat Feb 21 10:25:01 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sat Feb 21 10:25:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> Message-ID: <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > I'll be watching this thread, myself. > Have you looked at > > http://www.knoda.org > http://www.rekallrevealed.org/ These are both database frontends - needing a real DB like mysql to do the work. > http://www.koffice.org/kexi/ This might do the job - I see it at version 0.1. Anyone had any experience with this ? I will check it out. It is not the one I remember though .. I almost feel like I should apologise for asking for this - if you want a real DB, just get an engine and use a front-end... However - I think it is important that it has a file-based store, so there are no permissions issues. 30 kids messing around with mysql databases - even /I/ have problems creating tables .. :-) An exam must be able to ask a question, and have it answered, perhaps with a printout to back it up, at the end of 60 minutes, by 12th graders. Cheers, Andy! From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Feb 21 10:27:04 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat Feb 21 10:27:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups printing from Windows XP? Message-ID: <022120041528.6072.67e5@comcast.net> Yep, Win2k works but WinXP doesn't. Cups is accepting from localhost and the local network. However, I think I have tracked it down to settings in the security template for the XP box. I changed/reset every setting relating to printers that I could find in group policy, deleted the existing ntuser.dat and ntuser.pol and can now use the printer added by admin. Still can't add a printer for ipp/http (option is greyed out) unless admin, but the weekend isn't over yet. Hope to get a default security template that I can then apply to the remaining XP student systems. Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware 19713 > Hrm, of course, as soon as I sent the previous email I actually tried it > using CUPS 1.1.17 and Windows 2000 and it worked just fine. (Well, I had > to install the appropriate printer driver, but you should also be able > to use a generic postscript driver). > > I literally told it to add a printer on my local intranet, typed in the > path (like you did) and it just worked. You might want to look in > /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and make sure you're allowing access from more than > just localhost (as is the default). > > On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 09:51, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > Okay, I read an article that said this was easy. Just not for me. I have > cups working (I can print to the printers on the Linux side, no problems). But > ... when i try to specify the printer as http://mysystem:631/printers/ws003p > (e.g. printer on thin client ws003), Windows reports back that it cannot find > the printer. I have no idea which setting in cupsd.conf I need to change/set. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > Shahms King > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Feb 21 10:34:00 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat Feb 21 10:34:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups printing from Windows XP? Message-ID: <022120041535.11796.56ad@comcast.net> Shahms, Thanks. This approach works with Win2k, but my XP system won't even browse for the Samba printers. MS has changed something in XP (and it was working in XP until I applied the latest critical updates). See my other response, but this seems to be tied into the group policy settings. Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware 19713 > Well, the main problem is that Windows expects to be able to do a good > number of non-standard things before it will print to an IPP printer. > If you turn logging up and look at the logfiles when the Windows machine > connects, you'll see a lot of requests for files ending in > '{a-bunch-of-gibberish-with-dashes}'. This is Windows requesting > alternate streams (I believe) which CUPS (obviously) doesn't support. > Failing to find those, it mistakenly believes the printer doesn't exist > and exits. The only way I've had success with this is setting up samba > to use cups ("printing = cups" *and* "printcap = cups") and then > connecting to the samba printer with Windows. Maybe they'll fix it, > maybe they won't. The problem is not cups, but, as usual, Windows' > semi-standard implementation of IPP. > > On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 09:51, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > Okay, I read an article that said this was easy. Just not for me. I have > cups working (I can print to the printers on the Linux side, no problems). But > ... when i try to specify the printer as http://mysystem:631/printers/ws003p > (e.g. printer on thin client ws003), Windows reports back that it cannot find > the printer. I have no idea which setting in cupsd.conf I need to change/set. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > Shahms King > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From julius at turtle.com Sat Feb 21 10:37:03 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sat Feb 21 10:37:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups printing from Windows XP? In-Reply-To: <022120041528.6072.67e5@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Yep, Win2k works but WinXP doesn't. Cups is accepting from localhost and the local network. However, I think I have tracked it down to settings in the security template for the XP box. I changed/reset every setting relating to printers that I could find in group policy, deleted the existing ntuser.dat and ntuser.pol and can now use the printer added by admin. Still can't add a printer for ipp/http (option is greyed out) unless admin, but the weekend isn't over yet. Hope to get a default security template that I can then apply to the remaining XP student systems. > > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > Newark Delaware 19713 > > Hrm, of course, as soon as I sent the previous email I actually tried it > > using CUPS 1.1.17 and Windows 2000 and it worked just fine. (Well, I had > > to install the appropriate printer driver, but you should also be able > > to use a generic postscript driver). > > > > I literally told it to add a printer on my local intranet, typed in the > > path (like you did) and it just worked. You might want to look in > > /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and make sure you're allowing access from more than > > just localhost (as is the default). > > > > On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 09:51, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > > Okay, I read an article that said this was easy. Just not for me. I have > > cups working (I can print to the printers on the Linux side, no problems). But > > ... when i try to specify the printer as http://mysystem:631/printers/ws003p > > (e.g. printer on thin client ws003), Windows reports back that it cannot find > > the printer. I have no idea which setting in cupsd.conf I need to change/set. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > Shahms King Well Guys, there is another way and one more other way: 1. on windoze (9x, 2k, xp) define ws connected printers as jetdirect network printers and load correct win drivers - painful but works well and is very efficient in moving data, and 2. enable samba on the ltsp server, export printers and then add hem as remote printers on win boxes. both ways work for me just fine, ymmv. julius From julius at turtle.com Sat Feb 21 10:42:10 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sat Feb 21 10:42:10 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups printing from Windows XP? In-Reply-To: <022120041535.11796.56ad@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Shahms, > > Thanks. This approach works with Win2k, but my XP system won't even > browse for the Samba printers. MS has changed something in XP (and it > was working in XP until I applied the latest critical updates). See my > other response, but this seems to be tied into the group policy > settings. > Dave, critical updates - my tusch! The latest security update made my wife's computer secure by causing it to fail with what looked like hardware errors. the hardware was cured by a miracle of rolling back the upgrade. The cumulative effect of the latest 3 upgrades is broken networking - you are right, no browsing. i suspect that it can be fixed by messing with settings, but i'm using it to get rid of more windoze boxen. for those that have to have winxp and browsing - no security updates, for others, the jetdirect printers work well. julius From les at futuresource.com Sat Feb 21 10:59:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat Feb 21 10:59:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1077379242.20253.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 09:25, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > I almost feel like I should apologise for asking for this - if > you want a real DB, just get an engine and use a front-end... > > However - I think it is important that it has a file-based store, > so there are no permissions issues. 30 kids messing around with > mysql databases - even /I/ have problems creating tables .. :-) There is nothing really magic about the way mysql or postgresql work. They just have standard wrappers to start and control them that assume the data should not be disposable. If you want per-user copies that can be deleted and recreated anytime without affecting anyone else, you just need to run a copy per user with a configuration that keeps everything under the home directory. If you use networking, each would have to run on a different port but that should be the only thing even slightly complicated. Almost all useful unix/linux programs have command line options that allow them to be started with non-default configurations (like the path to a different config file) and can have multiple instances running at once. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From caldodge at fpcc.net Sat Feb 21 11:13:00 2004 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Sat Feb 21 11:13:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <403783C8.60403@fpcc.net> Andy Rabagliati wrote: > * Database. > > Please do not say mysql or something - I use those all the time, > I need an Access-like file-based database. I seem to remember > a proprietary DB that went open source last year that might > fit the bill, but I cannot remember the name. Perhaps you're thinking of SQLite? http://www.hwaci.com/sw/sqlite/ Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Feb 21 11:17:01 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat Feb 21 11:17:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help - FATAL server error In-Reply-To: <40375625.5080302@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Sylvain Phelippeaux - Wanadoo - wrote: >Cant' connect a terminal (DELL OPTIPLEX) because of a fatal server >error (You must specify a keyboard in CF86 config...) > >How can i do that ?... > >I must use a french (dell) windows keyboard... > >Please help K12LTSP 4.0.0 I presume? If you try to use the old video drivers with LTSP 4.0 you will see this error. This is fixed in K12LTSP 4.0.1, or you can follow the directions on the LTSP errata page: http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4-errata.html -Eric From les at futuresource.com Sat Feb 21 11:23:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat Feb 21 11:23:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077380640.20253.39.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 07:59, Kevin Boone wrote: > > This is good....yes win2k machines would be mapped to the k12box via UNC > path,shortcut on the desktop etc....to the executable that would k12linux > gui, programs etc on the win2k machine. > > I didn't want the win2k machines to pick up "new" ip addresses...unless it > can be done without setting the k12ltsp server to run dhcp. Our school is > already running a dhcp server, I've been told that I cannot put a dhcp > server on the school network for the obvious reasons. Yes this is possible, but first you have to understand the network topology. If you have a dual-nic server and the windows boxes are connected on the 'inside' interface and only the outside interface of the server connects to the school network, you *can* give them DHCP addresses without breaking anything, although you should be sure the network administrator understands that the server acts as a NAT router and blesses the connections. If the windows boxes are on the 'outside' interface on some other portion of the network you will have to adjust the firewall settings on the server to allow windows networking (maybe someone else can be more specific about how to do this). With firewalling removed the windows boxes should see the server when browsing the network and be able to connect. Windows can find servers by name in a DHCP environment but if possible the server should have a static IP assigned and be added to your local DNS if you have one. If you have a windows domain controller on the network you may want to run 'authconfig' on the server and add SMB authentication so you don't have to manage passwords for those users. You still have add them as users but the passwords will track the one set up for the domain. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gjkramer at shaw.ca Sat Feb 21 11:35:00 2004 From: gjkramer at shaw.ca (Gustav Kramer) Date: Sat Feb 21 11:35:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077381386.7870.9.camel@server.ltsp> Another option, which would give you access to the whole K12LTSP desktop would be to run an X server on the win2k machines and point it at the LTSP server. There are several commercial Xservers out there (WinaXe, XWin32, etc) as well as CygwinX which is free. This setup works a treat for me at home where the rest of the household are windows bound. One caveat is that you won't get sound at the terminal. (Mind you I don't get get sound at my terminal when I boot of the LTSP serve either but that will be the subject of another post. Soon) On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 05:59, Kevin Boone wrote: > > This is good....yes win2k machines would be mapped to the k12box via UNC > path,shortcut on the desktop etc....to the executable that would k12linux > gui, programs etc on the win2k machine. > > I didn't want the win2k machines to pick up "new" ip addresses...unless it > can be done without setting the k12ltsp server to run dhcp. Our school is > already running a dhcp server, I've been told that I cannot put a dhcp > server on the school network for the obvious reasons. > > > > >From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." > >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > >To: k12osn at redhat.com > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:38:54 -0500 > > > >Having to make a few assumptions here. Do you mean kind of like this? > > > > Win2K Win2K Win2K > > | | | > >-------------------------- MAIN LAN (say, 10.40.0.0/20) > > | > > | > > | 10.40.0.200 > > K12LTSP > > Server | 192.168.0.254 > > | > > | > >---------------------------- K12LTSP LAN > > | | | 192.168.0.0/24 > >K12LTSP K12LTSP K12LTSP > >Client Client Client > > > > > >In this scenario, folks would hit Network Neighborhood / My Network Places > >from the Win boxes, find a share called, say, > >\\K12LTSPBOX\coolapps\AdobeAcrobat, where acrord32.exe lives, and run it > >from there. They may also have a desktop shortcut pointing to this UNC > >path, or maybe a mapped drive (say, N:\AdobeAcrobat). > > > >Is this what you have in mind? If Im off base here, please correct me. > > > >--TP > > > >Kevin Boone wrote: > > > >>Sort of in the reverse of attaching to a MS Terminal server with > >>rdesktop...win 2K machines would point to the k12 TS and run apps on it. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." > >>>Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > >>>To: k12osn at redhat.com > >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP > >>>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:17:27 -0500 > >>> > >>>Kevin Boone wrote: > >>> > >>>>Can the TS work the same if it were given a static IP address? In other > >>>>word, can we point the clients to the server IP to run ltsp? > >>>> > >>>Not sure what you mean here. The TS should always have a static IP > >>>address itself, and by default, it does on the inside interface > >>>(assumes a two-NIC installation). You have to have something consistent > >>>for your clients to point to, for both the TFTP server and the NFS > >>>server. > >>> > >>>Do you mean giving the clients themselves static IP addresses? > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > _________________________________________________________________ > Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From keboone39 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 21 12:39:02 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Sat Feb 21 12:39:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? Message-ID: I've run it. Which line tells me that 2 cpu's are running??? >From: ssanders at coin.org >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:38:18 -0600 > >woops, that would be cat /proc/cpuinfo for SMP verification. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage ? 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From les at futuresource.com Sat Feb 21 12:56:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat Feb 21 12:56:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077386228.20253.42.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 11:40, Kevin Boone wrote: > I've run it. Which line tells me that 2 cpu's are running??? > > > >woops, that would be cat /proc/cpuinfo for SMP verification. > > The entire set of cpu info is repeated for each cpu found. Current versions of top will also show a line for each CPU. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From keboone39 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 21 13:10:06 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Sat Feb 21 13:10:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? Message-ID: ok. I am only showing 1-cpu running. Hmmmm. there's probably a jumper setting on the mb to take of this. I though they were plug and play....I'll check BIOS to see if there's a setting for mounting two cpu's. Thanks. >From: Les Mikesell >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:57:08 -0600 > >On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 11:40, Kevin Boone wrote: > > I've run it. Which line tells me that 2 cpu's are running??? > > > > > >woops, that would be cat /proc/cpuinfo for SMP verification. > > > > >The entire set of cpu info is repeated for each cpu found. > >Current versions of top will also show a line for each >CPU. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 21 14:53:05 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat Feb 21 14:53:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Does squidGuard do reverse lookups on URL's with IP address? In-Reply-To: <1077315966.2105.10.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <1077315966.2105.10.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <4037B78E.9070406@cmosnetworks.com> Mike Rambo wrote: >On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 12:33, dale.quigg at aspentech.com wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I'm looking to create a web filter using squidGuard and the blacklists on >>squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering >> >>It looks to me like the porn/domains file does not contain IP addresses for >>all the sites listed. Is it then possible for users to enter the IP address >>for blocked sites and bypass the filtering? >> >>I know that DansGuardian has an option to do a reverse lookup on entered IPs >>and compare to the blacklist, but I don't know if this is/can be handled by >>squidGuard. >> >> >> > >Unfortunately squidGuard doesn't do this AFAIK. We always enter sites by >both url and ip when we put stuff in local-block. Since the rest of the >domains don't have both url and ip, at least for everything, it sadly is >open to that extent. It would be great if this could be added as it >seems to us the single biggest deficiency with SG. We tried DG once >because of that issue but couldn't use it because it doesn't support >multiple levels of filtering - or didn't at that time. Administration >has declared different levels of filtering for admin, high school, >middle school, and elementary school here so one size doesn't fit all. > > > > Here?s how we handle that multiple filtering level issue at my district. We have multiple servers. There is one set of filtering servers for the ES?s, the MS?s are on another set, and each HS is on its own. Now, of course, you could have a bank of servers for the HS level as well, and one for admin sites. We do each HS individually because some of them pay for access to certain Web apps (an example might be, say, www.BlackBoard.com), and the company selling the service ?authenticates? by checking the source IP address. We thus give that company the proxy server?s ?external? IP address, and boom, that high school has access to the app. --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From gjkramer at shaw.ca Sat Feb 21 15:17:02 2004 From: gjkramer at shaw.ca (Gustav Kramer) Date: Sat Feb 21 15:17:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Via Epia (Again!) Message-ID: <1077394400.7870.38.camel@server.ltsp> Despite sifting through the threads on this topic I'm still not having any luck with this! - using lsmod I've confirmed that the sound modules are loading on the terminal. - using ps-ax|grep nasd I see that /sbin/nasd -aa is running - flash is silent - xmms complains: Couldn't open audio Please check that 1. You have the correct output plugin selected 2. No other program is blocking the soundcard 3. Your soundcard is configured properly When I check xmms output plugins under Options/Preferences it appears to default to eSound and doesn't even list nasd as an option. If I change the default sound daemon from nasd to esd in lts.conf then xmms works. - music player complains: osscommon: Cannot access /dev/dsp, check permissions If I change the server permissions on /dev/dsp to 666 then the music player will pump the sound out the server! So, here I sit in silence scratching my head! It almost seems that the server is unaware of nasd, (rpm -q nasd yields nothing OTOH a search for nasd using synaptic also yields nothing). I know it's something simple but then, so am I! Any help would be much appreciated. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Feb 21 15:32:09 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat Feb 21 15:32:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Does latest SMP kernel fix hangs? Message-ID: I'm over at Riverdale HS today and am abusing Paul's dual Xeon servers. I have verified that I can crash a server with the 2149smp & 2166smp kernels, but I have not been able to crash the latest 2174smp kernel. Would others having SMP problems give this kernel a spin & report back? There is only one post so far in bugzilla and they report still having problems. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Feb 21 15:48:02 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat Feb 21 15:48:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Does latest SMP kernel fix hangs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > >I'm over at Riverdale HS today and am abusing Paul's dual Xeon servers. > >I have verified that I can crash a server with the 2149smp & 2166smp >kernels, but I have not been able to crash the latest 2174smp kernel. > >Would others having SMP problems give this kernel a spin & report back? > >There is only one post so far in bugzilla and they report still having >problems. Doh! I can still get it to crash, it just takes a lot longer. (30min vs 30sec). -Eric From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Sat Feb 21 16:23:02 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Sat Feb 21 16:23:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] "thick" client for now, thin client later... In-Reply-To: <1077322557.20873.2.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> References: <403695C3.5050507@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <1077322557.20873.2.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1077398655.32253.7.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 13:15, Quentin Hartman wrote: > http://www.mini-itx.com should yield some inspiration. Not the cheapest > route necessarily, but the mini-itx form factor is about as small as you > can get and still have room for HDDs and CD-ROMs. The VIA boards are > really great, and there several people on the list who have built LTSP > terminals around them. I concur. Consider the VIA M1000 boards as they have onboard MPEG decoding - the next generation of thin client. (google for "minimyth") /steve From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat Feb 21 16:35:00 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat Feb 21 16:35:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Does latest SMP kernel fix hangs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4037CF28.4070807@gwi.net> Eric Harrison wrote: >On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >>I'm over at Riverdale HS today and am abusing Paul's dual Xeon servers. >> >>I have verified that I can crash a server with the 2149smp & 2166smp >>kernels, but I have not been able to crash the latest 2174smp kernel. >> >>Would others having SMP problems give this kernel a spin & report back? >> >>There is only one post so far in bugzilla and they report still having >>problems. >> >> > >Doh! I can still get it to crash, it just takes a lot longer. (30min >vs 30sec). > > > So, time to test kernel-smp-2.6.1-1.65? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Feb 21 16:39:01 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat Feb 21 16:39:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Does latest SMP kernel fix hangs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4037D04F.501@netscape.net> Hi Eric, I'm also using the smp 2174 & so far so good. Granted it's a light load only 5 clients but thus far no crashes. norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >I'm over at Riverdale HS today and am abusing Paul's dual Xeon servers. > >I have verified that I can crash a server with the 2149smp & 2166smp >kernels, but I have not been able to crash the latest 2174smp kernel. > >Would others having SMP problems give this kernel a spin & report back? > >There is only one post so far in bugzilla and they report still having >problems. > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssanders at coin.org Sat Feb 21 17:54:09 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat Feb 21 17:54:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] xmms no sound problem In-Reply-To: <1077326220.4742.4.camel@pc-24-177-6-2.will.ct.charter.com> References: <1077326220.4742.4.camel@pc-24-177-6-2.will.ct.charter.com> Message-ID: <1077404133.3397.3.camel@ltsp.bofh> as others have said, check the mixer. often the sound is muted by default. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 21 18:20:00 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat Feb 21 18:20:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4037E7FA.8080108@cmosnetworks.com> Then consider what I do, which is run a single-NIC K12LTSP server, like this: REALLY BIG WAN | | Router (Cisco 3600) | | -------------------------------------------- MAIN LAN | | | | (say, 10.40.0.0/20) K12LTSP K12LTSP Win2K DHCP Client Server Client Server (10.40.0.254) In this scenario, we make sure that dhcpd does *NOT* start when the system comes up. That means doing chkconfig on dhcpd, like so: chkconfig --level 2345 dhcpd off If for some reason that doesn?t work for you, then we do it manually. Go into these directories: /etc/rc.d/rc2.d /etc/rc.d/rc3.d /etc/rc.d/rc4.d /etc/rc.d/rc5.d and rename Sxxdhcpd to Kxxdhcpd, where ?xx? is some number. On my system, it?s S65dhcpd, for example. I renamed it to K65dhcpd in _all four_ of these directories. Double check that it?s done in all four. Really. My K12LTSP server, you will note, is running in a single-NIC configuration on a switched (Catalyst 3500) network, and the K12LTSP server has Gig-E fiber. A Bay/Nortel 350T or 450T switch w/ the Gig-E interface will work equally well. Since I happen to run the infrastructure, I?m therefore the administrator for DHCP too, so I can add the LTSP stuff to the scope myself. If you?re not so fortunate, then just ask your DHCP admin to add that stuff to the existing DHCP server?s scope. Yes, it does work, and no, you won?t have any DHCP issues. The Windows boxes will simply ignore the TFTP and NFS stuff when the OS boots. With one tweak, this is exactly how I run it, my tweak being that the Cisco 3600 is itself the DHCP server (yep, they can do that). --TP Kevin Boone wrote: > > > > This is good....yes win2k machines would be mapped to the k12box via > UNC path,shortcut on the desktop etc....to the executable that would > k12linux gui, programs etc on the win2k machine. > > I didn't want the win2k machines to pick up "new" ip > addresses...unless it can be done without setting the k12ltsp server > to run dhcp. Our school is already running a dhcp server, I've been > told that I cannot put a dhcp server on the school network for the > obvious reasons. > > > >> From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >> Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:38:54 -0500 >> >> Having to make a few assumptions here. Do you mean kind of like this? >> >> Win2K Win2K Win2K >> | | | >> -------------------------- MAIN LAN (say, 10.40.0.0/20) >> | >> | >> | 10.40.0.200 >> K12LTSP >> Server | 192.168.0.254 >> | >> | >> ---------------------------- K12LTSP LAN >> | | | 192.168.0.0/24 >> K12LTSP K12LTSP K12LTSP >> Client Client Client >> >> >> In this scenario, folks would hit Network Neighborhood / My Network >> Places from the Win boxes, find a share called, say, >> \\K12LTSPBOX\coolapps\AdobeAcrobat, where acrord32.exe lives, and run >> it from there. They may also have a desktop shortcut pointing to >> this UNC path, or maybe a mapped drive (say, N:\AdobeAcrobat). >> >> Is this what you have in mind? If I?m off base here, please correct me. >> >> --TP >> >> Kevin Boone wrote: >> >>> Sort of in the reverse of attaching to a MS Terminal server with >>> rdesktop...win 2K machines would point to the k12 TS and run apps on >>> it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >>>> Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>> To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:17:27 -0500 >>>> >>>> Kevin Boone wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can the TS work the same if it were given a static IP address? In >>>>> other word, can we point the clients to the server IP to run ltsp? >>>>> >>>> Not sure what you mean here. The TS should always have a static IP >>>> address itself, and by default, it does on the ?inside? interface >>>> (assumes a two-NIC installation). You have to have something >>>> consistent for your clients to point to, for both the TFTP server >>>> and the NFS server. >>>> >>>> Do you mean giving the clients themselves static IP addresses? >>> >>> >>> From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 21 18:31:00 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat Feb 21 18:31:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Modem Disconnnect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4037EA85.9050803@cmosnetworks.com> John Warf wrote: >This may be a little off topic for this group but here goes. > >I have recently gotten a new Cisco access server and have users dialin in to >a pri circuit to access the internet from home. I need a way to see exactly >who is online. I also need a way to disconnect users that have idled past >there time or if all of my lines are full. > >I can telnet into my access server to find my users but would like to just >be able to enter one command to login to the server and display my users >from my linux box. > >I also need some software to disconnect users. I would prefer it to be >free. Any suggestions are greatly accepted. > >John > > You?re talking major network infrastructure-ese here, John. We use Cisco AS5400?s in our district as well. To my knowledge, you cannot do it from just any old box, but rather, you have to go into your authentication server (RADIUS, TACACS, local auth, etc.) and configure/view stuff from there. You can, of course, also do it from the AS5400. You?re starting to tread into CCIE-type material, though. --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Sat Feb 21 20:00:04 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Sat Feb 21 20:00:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1077411700.32253.223.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 04:25, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > I almost feel like I should apologise for asking for this - if > you want a real DB, just get an engine and use a front-end... > > However - I think it is important that it has a file-based store, > so there are no permissions issues. 30 kids messing around with > mysql databases - even /I/ have problems creating tables .. :-) > > An exam must be able to ask a question, and have it answered, > perhaps with a printout to back it up, at the end of 60 minutes, > by 12th graders. I think it is important to use a 'real' product to teach kids. We must not think they are incapable of understanding an SQL query - my 10 year old son thoroughly enjoys the conversational style of SQL and has a good ol' play extracting stuff from tables. creating a table from scratch is a different situation of course.. I recently set up OOffice>ODBC>MySQL for my (totally non-tech but Linux savvy) Wife who immediately proceeded to devour the task at hand spreadsheet-style, and did not realize that she was in fact manipulating a MySQL backend, and was more than happy to just accept that it was appearing nicely in her online catalog. /steve From les at futuresource.com Sat Feb 21 20:27:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat Feb 21 20:27:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Modem Disconnnect In-Reply-To: <4037EA85.9050803@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4037EA85.9050803@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1077413325.21346.22.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 17:32, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > > >I can telnet into my access server to find my users but would like to just > >be able to enter one command to login to the server and display my users > >from my linux box. > > > >I also need some software to disconnect users. I would prefer it to be > >free. Any suggestions are greatly accepted. > > > > > You??re talking major network infrastructure-ese here, John. We use > Cisco AS5400??s in our district as well. To my knowledge, you cannot do > it from just any old box, but rather, you have to go into your > authentication server (RADIUS, TACACS, local auth, etc.) and > configure/view stuff from there. You can, of course, also do it from > the AS5400. You??re starting to tread into CCIE-type material, though. If you are running Ciscosecure or whatever they call the authentication server these days that server should have logs and a view of currently connected users. If you want to do it on the cheap, you can configure the cisco to accept rsh commands from the Linux box IP address and send scripted commands from there. Just keep in mind that IP address based security is pretty weak. Some versions of IOS also allow ssh. If you want an even more 'brute force' approach you can do a scripted login/chat over telnet using either expect or kermit. If the linux box and access server are reasonably close you can use a serial line to the console port and have scripted or manual access with kermit. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Feb 21 20:35:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat Feb 21 20:35:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077413760.21346.26.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 12:11, Kevin Boone wrote: > ok. I am only showing 1-cpu running. Hmmmm. there's probably a jumper > setting on the mb to take of this. I though they were plug and > play....I'll check BIOS to see if there's a setting for mounting two cpu's. Be sure you are running an smp kernel. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Feb 21 22:35:01 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat Feb 21 22:35:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups printing from Windows XP? Message-ID: <022220040336.8137.13f8@comcast.net> Julius, Thanks! At least I am not alone in my paranoia with having security updates only fix the security issue and not add new 'features' for me. I have managed to change enough network and printing settings to now print if the printer is added by an admin. (but Power User or lower still can't add a printer) I am now trying to track down all the changes I made to get this working and establish a security template that can be put on the other xp boxes. It was a bunch of key clicks. Of course, I have no idea what I have now done to the 'security' of my XP box. :) Dave ... > On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > Shahms, > > > > Thanks. This approach works with Win2k, but my XP system won't even > > browse for the Samba printers. MS has changed something in XP (and it > > was working in XP until I applied the latest critical updates). See my > > other response, but this seems to be tied into the group policy > > settings. > > > Dave, > critical updates - my tusch! The latest security update made my > wife's computer secure by causing it to fail with what looked like > hardware errors. the hardware was cured by a miracle of rolling back the > upgrade. The cumulative effect of the latest 3 upgrades is broken > networking - you are right, no browsing. i suspect that it can be fixed by > messing with settings, but i'm using it to get rid of more windoze boxen. > for those that have to have winxp and browsing - no security updates, for > others, the jetdirect printers work well. > julius > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Sat Feb 21 23:00:03 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Sat Feb 21 23:00:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP In-Reply-To: <4037E7FA.8080108@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4037E7FA.8080108@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <403829B3.2000206@chartermi.net> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Then consider what I do, which is run a single-NIC K12LTSP server, like > My K12LTSP server, you will note, is running in a single-NIC > configuration on a switched (Catalyst 3500) network, and the K12LTSP > server has Gig-E fiber. A Bay/Nortel 350T or 450T switch w/ the Gig-E > interface will work equally well. Since I happen to run the > infrastructure, I?m therefore the administrator for DHCP too, so I can > add the LTSP stuff to the scope myself. If you?re not so fortunate, > then just ask your DHCP admin to add that stuff to the existing DHCP > server?s scope. Yes, it does work, and no, you won?t have any DHCP > issues. The Windows boxes will simply ignore the TFTP and NFS stuff > when the OS boots. With one tweak, this is exactly how I run it, my > tweak being that the Cisco 3600 is itself the DHCP server (yep, they can > do that). I want to do the same thing, except with a netbsd box being my firewall/dhcp server. Are you able to leave the tftp server on the k12ltsp box? -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 21 23:15:00 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat Feb 21 23:15:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP In-Reply-To: <403829B3.2000206@chartermi.net> References: <4037E7FA.8080108@cmosnetworks.com> <403829B3.2000206@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <40382D17.7050003@cmosnetworks.com> Eric Feldhusen wrote: > Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > >> Then consider what I do, which is run a single-NIC K12LTSP server, >> like My K12LTSP server, you will note, is running in a single-NIC >> configuration on a switched (Catalyst 3500) network, and the K12LTSP >> server has Gig-E fiber. A Bay/Nortel 350T or 450T switch w/ the >> Gig-E interface will work equally well. Since I happen to run the >> infrastructure, I?m therefore the administrator for DHCP too, so I >> can add the LTSP stuff to the scope myself. If you?re not so >> fortunate, then just ask your DHCP admin to add that stuff to the >> existing DHCP server?s scope. Yes, it does work, and no, you won?t >> have any DHCP issues. The Windows boxes will simply ignore the TFTP >> and NFS stuff when the OS boots. With one tweak, this is exactly how >> I run it, my tweak being that the Cisco 3600 is itself the DHCP >> server (yep, they can do that). > > > I want to do the same thing, except with a netbsd box being my > firewall/dhcp server. Are you able to leave the tftp server on the > k12ltsp box? > Can you give us a diagram of what you have in mind? --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From andyr at wizzy.com Sun Feb 22 04:47:01 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun Feb 22 04:47:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <1077379242.20253.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> <1077379242.20253.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040222094757.GF15778@wizzy.com> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 09:25, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > > However - I think it is important that it has a file-based store, > > so there are no permissions issues. 30 kids messing around with > > mysql databases - even /I/ have problems creating tables .. :-) > > There is nothing really magic about the way mysql or postgresql > work. They just have standard wrappers to start and control > them that assume the data should not be disposable. If you > want per-user copies that can be deleted and recreated anytime > without affecting anyone else, you just need to run a copy > per user with a configuration that keeps everything under the > home directory. At this point, the school wants an Access replacement. They want to use the training materials they currently have for Access, do a minor edit, and use them on Linux. I think firing up your own copy of MySQL with local config, spool directory and port falls outside this. But .. maybe not ? Hey - I have not even used Access, that I can remember. I was figuring that someone on this list has been down that road. Cheers, Andy! From andyr at wizzy.com Sun Feb 22 04:54:01 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun Feb 22 04:54:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Server and Clients mismatch (a problem) In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040220074921.01c44850@80.16.185.138> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040220074921.01c44850@80.16.185.138> Message-ID: <20040222095506.GG15778@wizzy.com> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Angelo Nera wrote: > Here are the technical info that may interest you. > > A. Server settings > > [root at www root]# ifconfig > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:B0:D0:15:A2:5C > inet addr:192.168.1.88 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:5A:C4:31:9B > inet addr:192.168.1.89 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 eth0 and eth1 are on the same subnet. Please make eth1 192.168.2.88 instead. When the server (192.168.1.88) tries to talk to the client (192.168.1.87) it is confused which network to talk to. Cheers, Andy! From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Sun Feb 22 09:04:29 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Sun Feb 22 09:04:29 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <20040222094757.GF15778@wizzy.com> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> <1077379242.20253.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040222094757.GF15778@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1077458691.18698.738.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 04:47, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 09:25, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > > > > However - I think it is important that it has a file-based store, > > > so there are no permissions issues. 30 kids messing around with > > > mysql databases - even /I/ have problems creating tables .. :-) > > > > There is nothing really magic about the way mysql or postgresql > > work. They just have standard wrappers to start and control > > them that assume the data should not be disposable. If you > > want per-user copies that can be deleted and recreated anytime > > without affecting anyone else, you just need to run a copy > > per user with a configuration that keeps everything under the > > home directory. > > At this point, the school wants an Access replacement. > > They want to use the training materials they currently have for > Access, do a minor edit, and use them on Linux. > > I think firing up your own copy of MySQL with local config, > spool directory and port falls outside this. > > But .. maybe not ? > > Hey - I have not even used Access, that I can remember. > > I was figuring that someone on this list has been down that road. > > Cheers, Andy! > > Why not continue to use Access on the front end but connect to a MySQL DB on the backend? This way the user interface stays the same but you gain the scalability you need. Jack From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Feb 22 09:10:34 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun Feb 22 09:10:34 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <20040222094757.GF15778@wizzy.com> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> <1077379242.20253.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040222094757.GF15778@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <4038B8BE.8000509@cmosnetworks.com> Andy Rabagliati wrote: >On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > >>On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 09:25, Andy Rabagliati wrote: >> >> >> >>>However - I think it is important that it has a file-based store, >>>so there are no permissions issues. 30 kids messing around with >>>mysql databases - even /I/ have problems creating tables .. :-) >>> >>> >>There is nothing really magic about the way mysql or postgresql >>work. They just have standard wrappers to start and control >>them that assume the data should not be disposable. If you >>want per-user copies that can be deleted and recreated anytime >>without affecting anyone else, you just need to run a copy >>per user with a configuration that keeps everything under the >>home directory. >> >> > >At this point, the school wants an Access replacement. > >They want to use the training materials they currently have for >Access, do a minor edit, and use them on Linux. > >I think firing up your own copy of MySQL with local config, >spool directory and port falls outside this. > >But .. maybe not ? > >Hey - I have not even used Access, that I can remember. > >I was figuring that someone on this list has been down that road. > >Cheers, Andy! > > > If you want something file-based, then why not just use a spreadsheet? I know many Windows users that use an Excel spreadsheet as their ?database?, and it works just fine for them. The GNU/Linux equivalent could be Gnumeric or OpenOffice.org. Is that an option in your case? --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From Galea.Luke at torontorehab.on.ca Sun Feb 22 12:13:02 2004 From: Galea.Luke at torontorehab.on.ca (Galea, Luke) Date: Sun Feb 22 12:13:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Xwindow screen snooping Message-ID: <04Feb22.121242est.119234@u1fw.torontorehab.on.ca> Hi all, Has anyone found any good solutions for LTSP screen snooping? Ie: user calls the helpdesk and the support person can see what they are seeing? Thanks in advance! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From troybanther at plateautel.net Sun Feb 22 12:27:03 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Sun Feb 22 12:27:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] As a follow-up question. In-Reply-To: <04Feb22.121242est.119234@u1fw.torontorehab.on.ca> References: <04Feb22.121242est.119234@u1fw.torontorehab.on.ca> Message-ID: <1077470894.3313.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Does anyone here use Fedora as a "helpdesk" computer and what program do you use? Troy On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 10:14, Galea, Luke wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone found any good solutions for LTSP screen snooping? Ie: user > calls the helpdesk and the support person can see what they are > seeing? > > Thanks in advance! -- troy banther - avid fedora user live what you believe - practice compassion http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Feb 22 13:01:03 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Sun Feb 22 13:01:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help desk-session takover in ltsp In-Reply-To: <1077470894.3313.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <04Feb22.121242est.119234@u1fw.torontorehab.on.ca> <1077470894.3313.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4038EE8E.5040802@downeast.net> Derek Dresser and I have been playing with running ltsp terminals via vncviewer rather than xdmcp...I compiled vnc withing the lbe and have i think usable executables..Jim M. has a bastardized copy of redesktop script i sent to get the thing working as n option via lts.conf.. but not yet a working solution..chuck From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Sun Feb 22 14:16:05 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Sun Feb 22 14:16:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <20040222094757.GF15778@wizzy.com> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> <1077379242.20253.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040222094757.GF15778@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1077477460.8527.6.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 22:47, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > I think firing up your own copy of MySQL with local config, > spool directory and port falls outside this. I agree.. I would definitely not go that road.. 8-) But running a site-wide MySQL server with an account for each user should be just great. Many GPL front-ends are available for MySQL, and seriously, you users will not even know it was not locally stored. /steve From keboone39 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 22 14:29:04 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Sun Feb 22 14:29:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? Message-ID: how can I be sure??? >From: Les Mikesell >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:36:01 -0600 > >On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 12:11, Kevin Boone wrote: > > ok. I am only showing 1-cpu running. Hmmmm. there's probably a >jumper > > setting on the mb to take of this. I though they were plug and > > play....I'll check BIOS to see if there's a setting for mounting two >cpu's. > >Be sure you are running an smp kernel. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From les at futuresource.com Sun Feb 22 14:51:03 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun Feb 22 14:51:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? References: Message-ID: <006301c3f97d$71f648e0$0300a8c0@futuresource.com> From: "Kevin Boone" > >Be sure you are running an smp kernel. > how can I be sure??? 'uname -a' will print the version of the running kernel. It should be something like 2.4.22-1.2166.nptlsmp. If it doesn't have smp in the name it isn't smp. Reboot and see if you have a boot-time choice for an smp kernel and if not use apt-get or yum to install one. 'apt-get install kernel' with give a listing of available kernels and repeating the command followed by the version you want will install it, but not make it the default for booting. Select it at bootup and if it works the way you want, edit /etc/grub.conf to make it the default (the first choice is 0). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rduran at dallasairmotive.com Sun Feb 22 14:55:10 2004 From: rduran at dallasairmotive.com (Richard Duran) Date: Sun Feb 22 14:55:10 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] anti-aliased fonts? In-Reply-To: <1076357397.23002.72.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1075965636.4399.8.camel@gv-rduran.dalair.com> <1076349026.14405.6.camel@gv-rduran.dalair.com> <1076357397.23002.72.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1077479557.2751.38.camel@gv-rduran.dalair.com> Interesting. Running Mozilla on the server displays to the client using anti-aliased fonts. Running Mozilla locally (on the client) displays using non-anti-aliased fonts. Any suggestions? The natives are getting restless.... -richard On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 14:09, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 09:50, Richard Duran wrote: > > Re-posting.... > > > > On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 01:20, Richard Duran wrote: > > > Can anti-aliased fonts be enabled for the clients? Is this already > > > supposed to be the default setup? > > > > > > -richard > > > > > Are you using XFree86 v3 or v4 on the terminals? > > If you have the xserver defined as: XSERVER=XF86_, > you are using XFree86 v3. This does not support the nice anti- > aliased fonts. > > If you have the xserver defined as: XSERVER=auto (or svga, or ati, > or some other "lowercase" entry), you are using XFree86 v4. Anti- > aliased fonts should be the default. > > -Eric > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Feb 22 15:15:03 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun Feb 22 15:15:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] anti-aliased fonts? In-Reply-To: <1077479557.2751.38.camel@gv-rduran.dalair.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Richard Duran wrote: >Interesting. Running Mozilla on the server displays to the client using >anti-aliased fonts. Running Mozilla locally (on the client) displays >using non-anti-aliased fonts. > >Any suggestions? The natives are getting restless.... Please re-read my previous response: >On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 14:09, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> Are you using XFree86 v3 or v4 on the terminals? >> >> If you have the xserver defined as: XSERVER=XF86_, >> you are using XFree86 v3. This does not support the nice anti- >> aliased fonts. >> >> If you have the xserver defined as: XSERVER=auto (or svga, or ati, >> or some other "lowercase" entry), you are using XFree86 v4. Anti- >> aliased fonts should be the default. >> >> -Eric >> From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sun Feb 22 16:53:03 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sun Feb 22 16:53:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <1077458691.18698.738.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> <1077379242.20253.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040222094757.GF15778@wizzy.com> <1077458691.18698.738.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <403924DF.6060702@snet.net> Jack wrote: > On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 04:47, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > >>On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: >> >> >>>On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 09:25, Andy Rabagliati wrote: >>> >>> >>>>However - I think it is important that it has a file-based store, >>>>so there are no permissions issues. 30 kids messing around with >>>>mysql databases - even /I/ have problems creating tables .. :-) >>> >>>There is nothing really magic about the way mysql or postgresql >>>work. They just have standard wrappers to start and control >>>them that assume the data should not be disposable. If you >>>want per-user copies that can be deleted and recreated anytime >>>without affecting anyone else, you just need to run a copy >>>per user with a configuration that keeps everything under the >>>home directory. >> >>At this point, the school wants an Access replacement. >> >>They want to use the training materials they currently have for >>Access, do a minor edit, and use them on Linux. >> >>I think firing up your own copy of MySQL with local config, >>spool directory and port falls outside this. >> >>But .. maybe not ? >> >>Hey - I have not even used Access, that I can remember. >> >>I was figuring that someone on this list has been down that road. >> >>Cheers, Andy! >> >> > > Why not continue to use Access on the front end but connect to a MySQL > DB on the backend? This way the user interface stays the same but you > gain the scalability you need. > Likely they don't wan to pay for Access anymore. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From eworthy at shaw.ca Sun Feb 22 17:20:00 2004 From: eworthy at shaw.ca (Eric Worthy@home) Date: Sun Feb 22 17:20:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <403924DF.6060702@snet.net> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> <1077379242.20253.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040222094757.GF15778@wizzy.com> <1077458691.18698.738.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <403924DF.6060702@snet.net> Message-ID: <40392ABE.4070501@shaw.ca> anthony baldwin wrote: > > > Likely they don't wan to pay for Access anymore. > One of the prime differences between OpenOffice and StarOffice is that StarOffice includes an 'Access Compatible' database. StarOffice is not free but much cheaper than the M$ alternative. Teachers can get an full copy for evaluation for free. Download it and see if it will meet your needs. From haynest at mchsi.com Sun Feb 22 17:41:01 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Tom Haynes) Date: Sun Feb 22 17:41:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <40392ABE.4070501@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <004a01c3f994$ec17bac0$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> We got an official CD of the StarOffice for schools at one point. I can't remember what the cost was, but it seemed like it was a nominal charge for media and handling. I am remembering $25 for the kit, and it could be installed on multiple school machines. We decided to stay with the MS Office Suite, but I could make the move tomorrow. Essentially the administration is fond of calendaring in Exchange/Outlook. Maybe 10% of the teachers use the fancy features in Outlook. Almost everything else could be done in SO or OO. One of the irritants for me as a math teacher is the lack of integration with MathType. I corresponded with the Design Science folks, and they had no interest in the SO/OO market. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Eric Worthy at home Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:19 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use anthony baldwin wrote: > > > Likely they don't wan to pay for Access anymore. > One of the prime differences between OpenOffice and StarOffice is that StarOffice includes an 'Access Compatible' database. StarOffice is not free but much cheaper than the M$ alternative. Teachers can get an full copy for evaluation for free. Download it and see if it will meet your needs. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Feb 22 17:56:02 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun Feb 22 17:56:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <004a01c3f994$ec17bac0$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> References: <004a01c3f994$ec17bac0$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> Message-ID: <403933E0.6070008@cmosnetworks.com> Tom Haynes wrote: >We got an official CD of the StarOffice for schools at one point. I can't >remember what the cost was, but it seemed like it was a nominal charge for >media and handling. I am remembering $25 for the kit, and it could be >installed on multiple school machines. We decided to stay with the MS Office >Suite, but I could make the move tomorrow. > >Essentially the administration is fond of calendaring in Exchange/Outlook. >Maybe 10% of the teachers use the fancy features in Outlook. Almost >everything else could be done in SO or OO. One of the irritants for me as a >math teacher is the lack of integration with MathType. I corresponded with >the Design Science folks, and they had no interest in the SO/OO market. > > Have you ever considered using LaTeX for doing your math typesetting? A friend of mine at the University of Washington converted the entire Math Dept. there over to using LaTeX--remember, these are all ego-maniac Ph. D. professors here--and not only did they convert to using LaTeX, but they now swear by it and won't consider anything that isn't as good. Before that, they'd used Microsoft Office for this purpose, and their attitude was, "I don't have time to learn any 'new technology'; I have to do my research and teach! I've got a *job* to do!" Here's how my friend did it. He, being a math instructor himself, made up some student worksheets for the calculus classes, and he showed them to a couple of math professors. The profs said, "Wow, that's pretty cool. How long did it take you?" My friend said, "Oh, about 5 minutes." Then he went and showed them how he did it. Sure enough, five minutes later, he'd made another worksheet with some good calculus problems (definite integrals and such). After picking up their jaws, the profs said, "Can you show us how?" He again did, and the rest is history. I just don't see the need to stay with Microsoft Office, be it on the Windows OS or a Free OS, for any educational function. --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From troybanther at plateautel.net Sun Feb 22 18:17:02 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Sun Feb 22 18:17:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <403933E0.6070008@cmosnetworks.com> References: <004a01c3f994$ec17bac0$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> <403933E0.6070008@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1077491892.4183.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Does the maker of StarOffice make an educational version of the program or have a site license fee? I work as a computer tech in education so any information you can share would be great. Troy -- troy banther - avid fedora user live what you believe - practice compassion http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Feb 22 18:21:06 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun Feb 22 18:21:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <1077491892.4183.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <004a01c3f994$ec17bac0$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> <403933E0.6070008@cmosnetworks.com> <1077491892.4183.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <403939CC.10906@cmosnetworks.com> troy banther wrote: >Does the maker of StarOffice make an educational version of the program >or have a site license fee? > >I work as a computer tech in education so any information you can share >would be great. > >Troy > > You'll be pleasantly surprised. Sun charges educational institutions $25 for the media kit, and the license for it is free (as in beer) for the entire school district. This, BTW, is indeed for the full StarOffice; there is, fortunately, no "lite" version to be concerned about. The only difference is the license and what Sun charges schools. --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Feb 22 20:10:10 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun Feb 22 20:10:10 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <403939CC.10906@cmosnetworks.com> References: <004a01c3f994$ec17bac0$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> < > <403933E0.6070008@cmosnetworks.com> <1077491892.4183.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> <403939CC.10906@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: You can actually download it for free....no $$$ necessary. k12osn at redhat.com writes: >troy banther wrote: > >>Does the maker of StarOffice make an educational version of the program >>or have a site license fee? >> >>I work as a computer tech in education so any information you can share >>would be great. >> >>Troy >> >> > >You'll be pleasantly surprised. Sun charges educational institutions >$25 for the media kit, and the license for it is free (as in beer) for >the entire school district. This, BTW, is indeed for the full >StarOffice; there is, fortunately, no "lite" version to be concerned >about. The only difference is the license and what Sun charges schools. > >--TP >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Do you GNU!? >Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially >when online :-) > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Feb 22 20:12:00 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun Feb 22 20:12:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <40392ABE.4070501@shaw.ca> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> <1077379242.20253.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040222094757.GF15778@wizzy.com> <1077458691.18698.738.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <403924DF.6060702@snet.net> <40392ABE.4070501@shaw.ca> Message-ID: This is misleading....you do not have to pay a thing and you can get the full version....all you need to be is an educational institution. Go to the Sun site and find the academic license section....where it says how to get it...simply go to the download page....it is the full version...no media purchase necessary. I know....I done it several times recently. Been using it a lot. k12osn at redhat.com writes: >anthony baldwin wrote: > >> >> >> Likely they don't wan to pay for Access anymore. >> >One of the prime differences between OpenOffice and StarOffice is that >StarOffice includes an 'Access Compatible' database. >StarOffice is not free but much cheaper than the M$ alternative. >Teachers can get an full copy for evaluation for free. >Download it and see if it will meet your needs. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From rduran at dallasairmotive.com Sun Feb 22 21:02:02 2004 From: rduran at dallasairmotive.com (Richard Duran) Date: Sun Feb 22 21:02:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] anti-aliased fonts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077501637.2751.50.camel@gv-rduran.dalair.com> On the server, XSERVER is set to "auto" in lts.conf:[Default] Should this be visible anywhere on the client? -richard On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 14:40, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Richard Duran wrote: > > >Interesting. Running Mozilla on the server displays to the client using > >anti-aliased fonts. Running Mozilla locally (on the client) displays > >using non-anti-aliased fonts. > > > >Any suggestions? The natives are getting restless.... > > Please re-read my previous response: > > >On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 14:09, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> > >> Are you using XFree86 v3 or v4 on the terminals? > >> > >> If you have the xserver defined as: XSERVER=XF86_, > >> you are using XFree86 v3. This does not support the nice anti- > >> aliased fonts. > >> > >> If you have the xserver defined as: XSERVER=auto (or svga, or ati, > >> or some other "lowercase" entry), you are using XFree86 v4. Anti- > >> aliased fonts should be the default. > >> > >> -Eric > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From norm at turing.une.edu.au Sun Feb 22 21:03:02 2004 From: norm at turing.une.edu.au (Norman Gaywood) Date: Sun Feb 22 21:03:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Does latest SMP kernel fix hangs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040223020414.GA18412@turing.une.edu.au> On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 12:57:04PM -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > I have verified that I can crash a server with the 2149smp & 2166smp > kernels, but I have not been able to crash the latest 2174smp kernel. > > Would others having SMP problems give this kernel a spin & report back? I've just posted a crash report for 2174 at: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109962 -- Norman Gaywood, Systems Administrator School of Mathematics, Statistics and Computer Science University of New England, Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia norm at turing.une.edu.au Phone: +61 (0)2 6773 2412 http://turing.une.edu.au/~norm Fax: +61 (0)2 6773 3312 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From jneiffer at neiffer.com Sun Feb 22 23:27:00 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Sun Feb 22 23:27:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <403939CC.10906@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200402230428.i1N4Snb28591@mx1.redhat.com> Actually, that isn't even true anymore. If you poke around enough, you can actually download StarOffice 7 on the site for educational use without buying the media kit. Jason :) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 4:23 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use troy banther wrote: >Does the maker of StarOffice make an educational version of the program >or have a site license fee? > >I work as a computer tech in education so any information you can share >would be great. > >Troy > > You'll be pleasantly surprised. Sun charges educational institutions $25 for the media kit, and the license for it is free (as in beer) for the entire school district. This, BTW, is indeed for the full StarOffice; there is, fortunately, no "lite" version to be concerned about. The only difference is the license and what Sun charges schools. --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From kmeyer at blarg.net Mon Feb 23 01:29:01 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Mon Feb 23 01:29:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Security of Local Win2K Boxes when using K12LTSP Message-ID: <003901c3f9d6$7a163860$692a1318@attbi.com> Recently, the net admin at one of the community colleges I am attending (senior tuition waiver) told me that there had been damage to system files on some classroom Win2K boxes. He alleges this was due to some of the more knowledgeable and well-trained students booting Knoppix and similar distros, which ignore the Win2K permissions and allow such mischief, though I am not sure how he is so sure that it was hackers powered by Linux that did the damage. I would not like to see the Boot-from-CD option turned off on these machines, but I have not discovered any way to protect NTFS files from local Linux boots -- no clever BIOS routine that might tell Linux not to recognize the contents of the NTFS system partition, or whatever. If there indeed is none and he is forced to turn off the CD Boot option (while leaving the Floppy Boot capability), then I would like to promote the creation of a Linux terminal server in order to serve those who want to have access to Linux from anywhere on campus (and who are not using it just as a hackers' interface). So, the second question is: if you boot from a floppy to the TS, can you still access the contents of the local drive, as if you had booted Linux on the local box, or is that drive invisible and/or inaccessible. If there's no difference in the hackability, obviously, my opportunity to sell LTSP will have to be based on other grounds. Ken Meyer From kmeyer at blarg.net Mon Feb 23 02:15:01 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Mon Feb 23 02:15:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Linuxfest Northwest References: Message-ID: <005001c3f9dc$ee619600$692a1318@attbi.com> On your hands and knees, perhaps. Otherwise, 1:40 to 1:20, if you are flying low. Maybe another 15 minutes to find BTI from the freeway. Be sure to have a map and directions with you, as it is outside of town, off the main thoroughfare, in a rather confusing tangle of residential streets. Ken Meyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Harrison To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linuxfest Northwest > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > >Eric, > > > >How far is that from Seattle ? > > 2.5 hours drive north of Seattle. It's right on the US/Canada border. > > Eyeballing my map, (latitude wise) it is about the top of Lake Superior, > a bit south of Winnipeg. Roughly (longitude wise) near San Francisco. ;-) > > -Eric From jbraumberger at earthlink.net Mon Feb 23 07:29:01 2004 From: jbraumberger at earthlink.net (Jeff Braumberger) Date: Mon Feb 23 07:29:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy server can't connect Message-ID: <000401c3fa08$c5632f80$0301a8c0@ella> I'm trying to save to a floppy so I can boot my terminal (client). Floppy access says it can't initialize the floppy server. I've turned off the firewall. That doesn't seem to make a difference. Anyone have and thoughts? Does anyone know of a support forum rather than a listserv? ******************************** Jeff Braumberger 574 Glendale Blvd Mansfield, Oh 44907 jbraumberger at earthlink.net ******************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert at middleswarth.net Mon Feb 23 07:30:05 2004 From: robert at middleswarth.net (Robert Middleswarth) Date: Mon Feb 23 07:30:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap with exchange question In-Reply-To: <1076702316.1760.52.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1076701809.4182.4.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <1076702316.1760.52.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4039F29C.3060104@middleswarth.net> I am new to ldap infact I am tring to justify roll out of openldap as our master domain controler. All of our system are linux except for a few exchange server and a legacy ASP server. I can move off exchange what I want to know is can exchange be setup to auth of an openldap server. I search googles but nothing came up could be just looking for the worng terms. I thought I would ask the list. Have any of you tired and has it worked. Thanks Robert From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 23 09:44:00 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon Feb 23 09:44:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Does latest SMP kernel fix hangs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c3fa1b$b4bf4200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I would love to test it on my box but am afraid I do not know the proper way to update the LTSP 4.0 in order to test. If you could give me instructions or point me to some I would love to try it. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 3:14 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Does latest SMP kernel fix hangs? On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > >I'm over at Riverdale HS today and am abusing Paul's dual Xeon servers. > >I have verified that I can crash a server with the 2149smp & 2166smp >kernels, but I have not been able to crash the latest 2174smp kernel. > >Would others having SMP problems give this kernel a spin & report back? > >There is only one post so far in bugzilla and they report still having >problems. Doh! I can still get it to crash, it just takes a lot longer. (30min vs 30sec). -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 23 09:46:31 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon Feb 23 09:46:31 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c3fa1c$1156b7f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Not sure what MB you are using, but some need an add on voltage regulator in order to power the second processor. Have you ever had on OS on this box in the past that recognized dual CPU's? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Boone Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:12 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? ok. I am only showing 1-cpu running. Hmmmm. there's probably a jumper setting on the mb to take of this. I though they were plug and play....I'll check BIOS to see if there's a setting for mounting two cpu's. Thanks. >From: Les Mikesell >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:57:08 -0600 > >On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 11:40, Kevin Boone wrote: > > I've run it. Which line tells me that 2 cpu's are running??? > > > > > >woops, that would be cat /proc/cpuinfo for SMP verification. > > > > >The entire set of cpu info is repeated for each cpu found. > >Current versions of top will also show a line for each >CPU. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Feb 23 09:52:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon Feb 23 09:52:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Milter for outgoing BCC? Message-ID: <403A13F1.3030300@inlandlakes.org> Does anyone have a good, reliable way (I'm assuming a sendmail milter of some sort) for copying all outgoing mail into a standard mbox file? I have a simple /etc/procmailrc file for incoming mail, and it rotates/compresses along with all my syslogs quite nicely -- but I'm a little befuddled regarding the outgoing mail... Any suggestions? Thanks a bunch, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From seanmflynn at hotmail.com Mon Feb 23 10:23:01 2004 From: seanmflynn at hotmail.com (Sean Flynn) Date: Mon Feb 23 10:23:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] This $5 motherboard and processor - good for K12LTSP? Message-ID: I put a Win98SE system together yeterday using this motherboard and it works great. I can try testing it out as an XTerm but I'm not sure which bootrom to use for the embedded NIC device. Seems it would defeat the purpose if you can't use the on board NIC and sound. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] This $5 motherboard and processor - good for K12LTSP? Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:15:16 -0500 Yes, you can indeed run them fanless, but your heatsink should be pretty huge, and you should have at least minimal airflow through the case. The 1GHz version uses about 12W full-tilt, and, of course, they wouldn?t be running at full-tilt in thin-client mode. They are not really geared to go up against the Pentium III or Celeron desktop chips; their market is laptops and other low-power applications, kind of like Transmeta. That said, their oomph/watt ratio is really impressive. http://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20020605/index.html This thing?s actually got enough oomph to make a decent stand-alone box. Remembering that a Pentium-133 is already overkill for an Xterm, these would be way over the top for the horsepower we would need, all the while not sucking up all the building?s power. Useful for places like California. :-) --TP Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com wrote: >How about a 1.3GHz C3 board+chip combo with integrated sound, network, and >video for $5 after rebate? > > >http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?Edpno=146907 > > >FROM THE PAGE ABOVE : >PRICE: >$59.99 >LESS REBATE: >- $54.99 >FINAL PRICE: >$5.00* >Compare at: $89.99 Save $84.99 > >Quantity > >Usually ships within 7 - 14 Days > >*Price after a $54.99 mail-in rebate. Expires on 02/28/2004. >Rebate limited to 1 per household. > >http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/Rebates/PDFs/s452-1001,1002,2000-feb.pdf > > >shows you have 30 days from the DATE OF PUCHASE to get it postmarked. > >------------------------------- > >Here are some numbers taken from Sandra, CPU airthmetic benchmark > >VIA C3 1GHz 64L2: ALU 1229 MIPS, FPU 352 MFLOPS. >Intel Celeron 600MHz 128L2: ALU 1620 MIPS, FPU 804 MFLOPS. > >--------- supposed to be able to run it fanless ??? Not an overly >impressive processor....but for $5 :) > >Just thought I'd post it in case anyone wanted to try it out....... or >maybe we could have a rebatefest and 30 or 40 of us order them for one >school ??? I'd donate $5 :) Just a thought. > >Dave Crouse >www.usalug.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage ? 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Feb 23 10:29:02 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon Feb 23 10:29:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Gradebook Message-ID: Hello, to all who are using K12LTSP in schools! I have a some questions and hope someone out there has answers. I am testing the Gradebood program that comes with K12LTSP. It seems very limited but I am not a teacher. One of the teachers I am guinea-piggin' on is trying to use it and says it is not very user frieldly. One question is: Can you print an individual student's grades or do you have to print the whole shmo? Another is: Can you make it display percentages instead of letter grades in the printout? I am sure there will be more questions but for now this will do. . . Thanks -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From aleininger at ttsd.k12.or.us Mon Feb 23 11:28:00 2004 From: aleininger at ttsd.k12.or.us (Aaron Leininger) Date: Mon Feb 23 11:28:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp question In-Reply-To: <20040220195536.14ba41f9.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: I thought you all might be able to help me out with something... I am helping to advise a computer club at my school. I am setting up a linux server to do some things for them and to demonstrate some of the features of linux. One of the things I am demonstrating is DHCP. I am running 2 network cards on the server. 1 of them (eth0 at this point) is set to grab an address off of the school network and I was hoping to install a dhcp server and run it on the 2nd nic(eth1). The system says both cards are working properly and are started. eth0 is grabbing an address off of the school network fine and is working a-ok. I got dhcp server installed and the service starts and stops fine but it isn't generating addresses. Is there some way to tell the dhcp server which nic it is supposed to be serving addresses through? I did some research online and found only basic setup references. Thanks in advance, Aaron From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 11:28:07 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Mon Feb 23 11:28:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk Message-ID: <20040223162940.90962.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> I would like to know where to find a Netatalk build that works with Fedora? I tried to start it on my new build and it wasn't there. Thank you for any help. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From dgough at papcs.com Mon Feb 23 11:57:01 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Mon Feb 23 11:57:01 2004 Subject: StarOffice License (was [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use) Message-ID: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635AC4@xms.papcs.com> Sun has an educational program which allows you to run StarOffice on all your school computers for free. You can buy the media pack if you want the printed manuals or download the binary from Sun. You have to go through a process of signing up as an educational institution first. doug > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of troy banther > Sent: February 22, 2004 3:18 PM > To: k-12 ltsp list > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use > > > Does the maker of StarOffice make an educational version of > the program or have a site license fee? > > I work as a computer tech in education so any information you > can share would be great. > > Troy > > > -- > troy banther - avid fedora user > live what you believe - practice compassion > http://banther-trx.homeunix.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 23 12:53:01 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon Feb 23 12:53:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <403939CC.10906@cmosnetworks.com> References: <004a01c3f994$ec17bac0$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> < > <403933E0.6070008@cmosnetworks.com> <1077491892.4183.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> <403939CC.10906@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: You can actually download it for free....no $$$ necessary. k12osn at redhat.com writes: >troy banther wrote: > >>Does the maker of StarOffice make an educational version of the program >>or have a site license fee? >> >>I work as a computer tech in education so any information you can share >>would be great. >> >>Troy >> >> > >You'll be pleasantly surprised. Sun charges educational institutions >$25 for the media kit, and the license for it is free (as in beer) for >the entire school district. This, BTW, is indeed for the full >StarOffice; there is, fortunately, no "lite" version to be concerned >about. The only difference is the license and what Sun charges schools. > >--TP >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Do you GNU!? >Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially >when online :-) > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Feb 23 12:53:10 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon Feb 23 12:53:10 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: <40392ABE.4070501@shaw.ca> References: <20040221145401.GA15778@wizzy.com> <403775B5.4030506@snet.net> <20040221152544.GB15778@wizzy.com> <1077379242.20253.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040222094757.GF15778@wizzy.com> <1077458691.18698.738.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <403924DF.6060702@snet.net> <40392ABE.4070501@shaw.ca> Message-ID: This is misleading....you do not have to pay a thing and you can get the full version....all you need to be is an educational institution. Go to the Sun site and find the academic license section....where it says how to get it...simply go to the download page....it is the full version...no media purchase necessary. I know....I done it several times recently. Been using it a lot. k12osn at redhat.com writes: >anthony baldwin wrote: > >> >> >> Likely they don't wan to pay for Access anymore. >> >One of the prime differences between OpenOffice and StarOffice is that >StarOffice includes an 'Access Compatible' database. >StarOffice is not free but much cheaper than the M$ alternative. >Teachers can get an full copy for evaluation for free. >Download it and see if it will meet your needs. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From rhoward at ywammt.org Mon Feb 23 12:54:01 2004 From: rhoward at ywammt.org (Reba Howard) Date: Mon Feb 23 12:54:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs:server Message-ID: <52687.10.1.2.253.1077558911.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> I'm having a problem getting some of my terminals to boot. They keep saying, nfs:server (name of server) not responding still trying. It says this even when I move the terminal to a different server and even subnet. It is only happening on a few terminals. Can anyone help? Thanks Reba Howard From trondrm at online.no Mon Feb 23 13:05:02 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon Feb 23 13:05:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Several TS's with load balancing? Message-ID: <403A4113.6010203@online.no> Is it possible to set up K12LTSP this way: One mainserver for authentification and storage (Home) Several TS with some sort of load balancing: When you log on you are automatically sent to the TS with most resources available? Also, if one TS goes down the network will still run, but with less capacity... We use Win2000 TS with Citrix ICA this way. One fileserver and seven TS. You will always log on to the server with the best capasity at that time. The reason for my question is that I'm setting up 5 schools on via fiber network. We are talking approx. 1500 users... 500-600 terminals. Regards Trond M?hlum From wescott_mike at emc.com Mon Feb 23 15:16:00 2004 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Mon Feb 23 15:16:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Xwindow screen snooping In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:14:54 EST." <04Feb22.121242est.119234@u1fw.torontorehab.on.ca> Message-ID: <200402232016.i1NKG8tm030132@strange.us.dg.com> > Has anyone found any good solutions for LTSP screen snooping? Ie: user calls > the helpdesk and the support person can see what they are seeing? I can think of one possible solution; be forewarned that I haven't tried it. The traditional LTSP setup has the terminal running linux and an X11 server that connects to clients back on the LTSP server. One could configure terminals to run the same server and a single client that also runs on the terminal, vncviewer. It would in turn connect to a Xvnc server also running on the terminal which would get its client from the LTSP server. Xvnc could be configured to allow incoming connections from vncviewers running at the help desk. Essentially this configuration gives both the terminal and the help desk simultaneous access via vnc to a virtual Xserver (Xvnc). For the 99.99% of the time that no help is needed it's a waste of resources to have two servers running on the terminal. But I think it should work. Anybody tried this? -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Feb 23 17:16:02 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Feb 23 17:16:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp4 lbe - getting started Message-ID: <1077574670.21567.47.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Guys, after getting trolled and then kicked by moron +o on #ltsp I will ask my question here.. grrr.. Ok, I have sane-backends-1.0.13 which I want to build on K12LTSP v4.0 I have the lbe (binary) installed from the Distros' CDset. Where do I unzip the sane-backends-1.0.13 package, and where do I start. thanks much, Steve From keboone39 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 23 18:47:00 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Mon Feb 23 18:47:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] apm: Message-ID: Can the apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (driver version 1.16) be fixed? _________________________________________________________________ Say ?good-bye? to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ From keboone39 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 23 19:03:01 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Mon Feb 23 19:03:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP Message-ID: I like this setup. I will try it. When I said I wanted to runn k12LTSP apps I mean running the apps within the GNOME desktop envirnment. Can that be done with this setup? >From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:21:30 -0500 > >Then consider what I do, which is run a single-NIC K12LTSP server, like >this: > > REALLY BIG WAN > | > | > Router > (Cisco 3600) > | > | >-------------------------------------------- MAIN LAN > | | | | (say, 10.40.0.0/20) >K12LTSP K12LTSP Win2K DHCP >Client Server Client Server > (10.40.0.254) > > >In this scenario, we make sure that dhcpd does *NOT* start when the system >comes up. That means doing chkconfig on dhcpd, like so: > > chkconfig --level 2345 dhcpd off > >If for some reason that doesn?t work for you, then we do it manually. Go >into these directories: > > /etc/rc.d/rc2.d > /etc/rc.d/rc3.d > /etc/rc.d/rc4.d > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d > >and rename Sxxdhcpd to Kxxdhcpd, where ?xx? is some number. On my system, >it?s S65dhcpd, for example. I renamed it to K65dhcpd in _all four_ of >these directories. Double check that it?s done in all four. Really. > >My K12LTSP server, you will note, is running in a single-NIC configuration >on a switched (Catalyst 3500) network, and the K12LTSP server has Gig-E >fiber. A Bay/Nortel 350T or 450T switch w/ the Gig-E interface will work >equally well. Since I happen to run the infrastructure, I?m therefore the >administrator for DHCP too, so I can add the LTSP stuff to the scope >myself. If you?re not so fortunate, then just ask your DHCP admin to add >that stuff to the existing DHCP server?s scope. Yes, it does work, and no, >you won?t have any DHCP issues. The Windows boxes will simply ignore the >TFTP and NFS stuff when the OS boots. With one tweak, this is exactly how >I run it, my tweak being that the Cisco 3600 is itself the DHCP server >(yep, they can do that). > >--TP > >Kevin Boone wrote: > >> >> >> >>This is good....yes win2k machines would be mapped to the k12box via UNC >>path,shortcut on the desktop etc....to the executable that would k12linux >>gui, programs etc on the win2k machine. >> >>I didn't want the win2k machines to pick up "new" ip addresses...unless it >>can be done without setting the k12ltsp server to run dhcp. Our school >>is already running a dhcp server, I've been told that I cannot put a dhcp >>server on the school network for the obvious reasons. >> >> >> >>>From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >>>Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >>>Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:38:54 -0500 >>> >>>Having to make a few assumptions here. Do you mean kind of like this? >>> >>> Win2K Win2K Win2K >>> | | | >>>-------------------------- MAIN LAN (say, 10.40.0.0/20) >>> | >>> | >>> | 10.40.0.200 >>> K12LTSP >>> Server | 192.168.0.254 >>> | >>> | >>>---------------------------- K12LTSP LAN >>> | | | 192.168.0.0/24 >>>K12LTSP K12LTSP K12LTSP >>>Client Client Client >>> >>> >>>In this scenario, folks would hit Network Neighborhood / My Network >>>Places from the Win boxes, find a share called, say, >>>\\K12LTSPBOX\coolapps\AdobeAcrobat, where acrord32.exe lives, and run it >>>from there. They may also have a desktop shortcut pointing to this UNC >>>path, or maybe a mapped drive (say, N:\AdobeAcrobat). >>> >>>Is this what you have in mind? If I?m off base here, please correct me. >>> >>>--TP >>> >>>Kevin Boone wrote: >>> >>>>Sort of in the reverse of attaching to a MS Terminal server with >>>>rdesktop...win 2K machines would point to the k12 TS and run apps on it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >>>>>Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>>>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >>>>>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:17:27 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>Kevin Boone wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Can the TS work the same if it were given a static IP address? In >>>>>>other word, can we point the clients to the server IP to run ltsp? >>>>>> >>>>>Not sure what you mean here. The TS should always have a static IP >>>>>address itself, and by default, it does on the ?inside? interface >>>>>(assumes a two-NIC installation). You have to have something >>>>>consistent for your clients to point to, for both the TFTP server and >>>>>the NFS server. >>>>> >>>>>Do you mean giving the clients themselves static IP addresses? >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ From keboone39 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 23 19:27:01 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Mon Feb 23 19:27:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? Message-ID: there were no smp kernels. >From: "Les Mikesell" >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:52:44 -0600 > >From: "Kevin Boone" > > > >Be sure you are running an smp kernel. > > > how can I be sure??? > >'uname -a' will print the version of the running kernel. It should >be something like 2.4.22-1.2166.nptlsmp. If it doesn't have smp >in the name it isn't smp. Reboot and see if you have a boot-time >choice for an smp kernel and if not use apt-get or yum to install >one. 'apt-get install kernel' with give a listing of available kernels >and repeating the command followed by the version you want >will install it, but not make it the default for booting. Select it >at bootup and if it works the way you want, edit /etc/grub.conf >to make it the default (the first choice is 0). > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ From keboone39 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 23 20:05:32 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Mon Feb 23 20:05:32 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? Message-ID: after further investigation, it turns out that my Gateway 7400 dual processor server requires a kit to be ordered from Gateway. This is the only to run access the dual processing of this machine. : ( >From: "Kevin Boone" >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:28:45 -0500 > >there were no smp kernels. > > >>From: "Les Mikesell" >>Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? >>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:52:44 -0600 >> >>From: "Kevin Boone" >> >> > >Be sure you are running an smp kernel. >> >> > how can I be sure??? >> >>'uname -a' will print the version of the running kernel. It should >>be something like 2.4.22-1.2166.nptlsmp. If it doesn't have smp >>in the name it isn't smp. Reboot and see if you have a boot-time >>choice for an smp kernel and if not use apt-get or yum to install >>one. 'apt-get install kernel' with give a listing of available kernels >>and repeating the command followed by the version you want >>will install it, but not make it the default for booting. Select it >>at bootup and if it works the way you want, edit /etc/grub.conf >>to make it the default (the first choice is 0). >> >>--- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > >_________________________________________________________________ >Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Feb 23 20:17:19 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Feb 23 20:17:19 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Security of Local Win2K Boxes when using K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <003901c3f9d6$7a163860$692a1318@attbi.com> References: <003901c3f9d6$7a163860$692a1318@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1077585441.30839.13.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 19:29, Ken Meyer wrote: > Recently, the net admin at one of the community colleges I am attending > (senior tuition waiver) told me that there had been damage to system files > on some classroom Win2K boxes. He alleges this was due to some of the more > knowledgeable and well-trained students booting Knoppix and similar distros, > which ignore the Win2K permissions and allow such mischief, though I am not > sure how he is so sure that it was hackers powered by Linux that did the > damage. I would be tempted to be very rude to him.. > [...] I have not discovered any way to protect NTFS files from local > Linux boots -- no clever BIOS routine that might tell Linux not to recognize > the contents of the NTFS system partition, or whatever. you might remove the ntfs module, or build a kernel without ntfs installed for your systems. > [....] the second question is: if you boot from a floppy to the > TS, can you still access the contents of the local drive, as if you had > booted Linux on the local box no. There is no ide module even on the terminal system, and it is near impossible for the user/cracker to break into the actual terminal system and insert a module, even if there was one to insert. No IDE module = no IDE access - full stop, final. > or is that drive invisible and/or > inaccessible. If there's no difference in the hackability, obviously, my > opportunity to sell LTSP will have to be based on other grounds. Big difference. Knoppix is an *excellant* security tool, and booted over an XP/2K/whatever box - your net admin has a valid point. You are onto a good thing, because LTSP should take all your worries away regarding this. BTW, you don't even need a boot floppy if they are modern machines.. simply use the BIOS PXE Boot-from-LAN. best, Steve From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Feb 23 20:39:09 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon Feb 23 20:39:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403AABA4.3050501@cmosnetworks.com> Ah, I think I follow you now. To run the K12LTSP apps on the Win2K boxes, you'll need what's called an X11 server on the Windows boxes. This can be anything from winaXe to Hummingbird to that X11 server that runs on Cygwin. The X11 server that you run on the Win boxes should support XDMCP, and they'll log right in to K12LTSP just like a thin client does. If the X11 server doesn't support XDMCP, that's OK too, but you'll just have to show your users how to use telnet or ssh. Believe it or not, that really isn't so hard. My users routinely use an old green-screen telnet app, and they're fine with that. Here's another option, and how I have my Windows users do it. They actually run MS Office (or OpenOffice.org, for those whom I've enlightened somewhat) on the Win boxes, and they map their "J: drive" to a Samba share on the K12LTSP server. Yes, it's boring, but it works. --TP Kevin Boone wrote: > I like this setup. I will try it. > When I said I wanted to runn k12LTSP apps I mean running the apps > within the GNOME desktop envirnment. Can that be done with this setup? > > >> From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >> Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:21:30 -0500 >> >> Then consider what I do, which is run a single-NIC K12LTSP server, >> like this: >> >> REALLY BIG WAN >> | >> | >> Router >> (Cisco 3600) >> | >> | >> -------------------------------------------- MAIN LAN >> | | | | (say, 10.40.0.0/20) >> K12LTSP K12LTSP Win2K DHCP >> Client Server Client Server >> (10.40.0.254) >> >> >> In this scenario, we make sure that dhcpd does *NOT* start when the >> system comes up. That means doing chkconfig on dhcpd, like so: >> >> chkconfig --level 2345 dhcpd off >> >> If for some reason that doesn?t work for you, then we do it >> manually. Go into these directories: >> >> /etc/rc.d/rc2.d >> /etc/rc.d/rc3.d >> /etc/rc.d/rc4.d >> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d >> >> and rename Sxxdhcpd to Kxxdhcpd, where ?xx? is some number. On my >> system, it?s S65dhcpd, for example. I renamed it to K65dhcpd in _all >> four_ of these directories. Double check that it?s done in all >> four. Really. >> >> My K12LTSP server, you will note, is running in a single-NIC >> configuration on a switched (Catalyst 3500) network, and the K12LTSP >> server has Gig-E fiber. A Bay/Nortel 350T or 450T switch w/ the >> Gig-E interface will work equally well. Since I happen to run the >> infrastructure, I?m therefore the administrator for DHCP too, so I >> can add the LTSP stuff to the scope myself. If you?re not so >> fortunate, then just ask your DHCP admin to add that stuff to the >> existing DHCP server?s scope. Yes, it does work, and no, you won?t >> have any DHCP issues. The Windows boxes will simply ignore the TFTP >> and NFS stuff when the OS boots. With one tweak, this is exactly how >> I run it, my tweak being that the Cisco 3600 is itself the DHCP >> server (yep, they can do that). >> >> --TP >> >> Kevin Boone wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> This is good....yes win2k machines would be mapped to the k12box via >>> UNC path,shortcut on the desktop etc....to the executable that would >>> k12linux gui, programs etc on the win2k machine. >>> >>> I didn't want the win2k machines to pick up "new" ip >>> addresses...unless it can be done without setting the k12ltsp >>> server to run dhcp. Our school is already running a dhcp server, >>> I've been told that I cannot put a dhcp server on the school network >>> for the obvious reasons. >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >>>> Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>> To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >>>> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:38:54 -0500 >>>> >>>> Having to make a few assumptions here. Do you mean kind of like this? >>>> >>>> Win2K Win2K Win2K >>>> | | | >>>> -------------------------- MAIN LAN (say, 10.40.0.0/20) >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | 10.40.0.200 >>>> K12LTSP >>>> Server | 192.168.0.254 >>>> | >>>> | >>>> ---------------------------- K12LTSP LAN >>>> | | | 192.168.0.0/24 >>>> K12LTSP K12LTSP K12LTSP >>>> Client Client Client >>>> >>>> >>>> In this scenario, folks would hit Network Neighborhood / My Network >>>> Places from the Win boxes, find a share called, say, >>>> \\K12LTSPBOX\coolapps\AdobeAcrobat, where acrord32.exe lives, and >>>> run it from there. They may also have a desktop shortcut pointing >>>> to this UNC path, or maybe a mapped drive (say, N:\AdobeAcrobat). >>>> >>>> Is this what you have in mind? If I?m off base here, please >>>> correct me. >>>> >>>> --TP >>>> >>>> Kevin Boone wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sort of in the reverse of attaching to a MS Terminal server with >>>>> rdesktop...win 2K machines would point to the k12 TS and run apps >>>>> on it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >>>>>> Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>>>> To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >>>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:17:27 -0500 >>>>>> >>>>>> Kevin Boone wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Can the TS work the same if it were given a static IP address? >>>>>>> In other word, can we point the clients to the server IP to run >>>>>>> ltsp? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Not sure what you mean here. The TS should always have a static >>>>>> IP address itself, and by default, it does on the ?inside? >>>>>> interface (assumes a two-NIC installation). You have to have >>>>>> something consistent for your clients to point to, for both the >>>>>> TFTP server and the NFS server. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you mean giving the clients themselves static IP addresses? >>>>> From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Feb 23 20:45:16 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon Feb 23 20:45:16 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] apm: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403AAD26.1090309@cmosnetworks.com> Kevin Boone wrote: > Can the apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (driver version 1.16) > > be fixed? What's happening? Is the server going into sleep mode on you? That would not be good.... --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Feb 23 20:50:00 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Feb 23 20:50:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Several TS's with load balancing? In-Reply-To: <403A4113.6010203@online.no> References: <403A4113.6010203@online.no> Message-ID: <1077587481.30839.37.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 07:06, Trond M??hlum wrote: > Is it possible to set up K12LTSP this way: > > One mainserver for authentification and storage (Home) You really can configure it how you wish. > Several TS with some sort of load balancing: When you log on you are > automatically sent to the TS with most resources available? Also, if one > TS goes down the network will still run, but with less capacity... About a year ago, that idea nearly became "the search for the holy grail" on this list. A small group of us knocked the idea nearly to death, and discovered that it was extremely difficult to load-share a X connection. The two killers were ; (a) that X is very session-oriented, and swapping-around parts of it broke all sorts of rules, and (b) the 'back-to-front' nature of X connections was very hard to load-balance from the traditional load-balancing perspective. No existing packages plugged right in. (this may be different now) > We use Win2000 TS with Citrix ICA this way. One fileserver and seven TS. > You will always log on to the server with the best capasity at that time. This is being done with LTSP, but if the TS dies - your session dies. Sure, you may reconnect and get a new server instantly, but you very likely lost your work. > The reason for my question is that I'm setting up 5 schools on via fiber > network. We are talking approx. 1500 users... 500-600 terminals. There is pseudo load-balancing being done where X near-randomly connects to a Terminal Server. I am not familiar with it - others may comment. IMO, the easiest way to do this is ; Pseudo load-balance as many terminal servers as necessary to handle your users. The machines serve desktops only. All the heavy apps, viz ooffice.org and mozilla, run on another machine dedicated to that purpose, each individually connecting directly to your X display. If your loading becomes heavy, either add more TS or more app servers depending on where your bottleneck lays. and that brings us to your network, at which point I will bow out so that those who have done it may comment. cheers, Steve From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Feb 23 20:55:04 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Feb 23 20:55:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077587769.30839.41.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 05:18, Aaron Leininger wrote: > I thought you all might be able to help me out with something... > > I am helping to advise a computer club at my school. I am setting up a linux > server to do some things for them and to demonstrate some of the features of > linux. One of the things I am demonstrating is DHCP. I am running 2 network > cards on the server. 1 of them (eth0 at this point) is set to grab an > address off of the school network and I was hoping to install a dhcp server > and run it on the 2nd nic(eth1). The system says both cards are working > properly and are started. eth0 is grabbing an address off of the school > network fine and is working a-ok. I got dhcp server installed and the > service starts and stops fine but it isn't generating addresses. Is there > some way to tell the dhcp server which nic it is supposed to be serving > addresses through? I did some research online and found only basic setup > references. > Yep, in the manual (/me resists the temptation) it says ; "The names of the network interfaces on which dhcpd should listen for broadcasts may be specified on the command line." here's all your docs ; man dhcpd man dhcp-options man dhcpd.conf I would love to teach kids that. 8-) /steve From haynest at mchsi.com Mon Feb 23 21:15:08 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Tom Haynes) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:15:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Security of Local Win2K Boxes when using K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <003901c3f9d6$7a163860$692a1318@attbi.com> Message-ID: <001001c3fa74$4c4841a0$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Ken Meyer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:30 AM To: K12OSN Subject: [K12OSN] Security of Local Win2K Boxes when using K12LTSP Recently, the net admin at one of the community colleges I am attending (senior tuition waiver) told me that there had been damage to system files on some classroom Win2K boxes. He alleges this was due to some of the more knowledgeable and well-trained students booting Knoppix and similar distros, which ignore the Win2K permissions and allow such mischief, though I am not sure how he is so sure that it was hackers powered by Linux that did the damage. --snip-- FWIW, I have a floppy labeled "rootboot" that I got off the web somewhere. It resets the passwords on a win2K box. It works with NTFS, compressed drives, etc. and it works well. I can imagine that students have access to similar floppies, and once you change a password, you own the box and can do anything you want. Any idiot and his brother could probably mess with an NTFS partiton with the right Knoppix-style boot disk. It could also be done from floppy but would require command line familiarity. Regards... Tom From haynest at mchsi.com Mon Feb 23 21:15:20 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Tom Haynes) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:15:20 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Mathtype (WAS:Database for desktop...) In-Reply-To: <403933E0.6070008@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <001301c3fa75$e59daf60$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote... Have you ever considered using LaTeX for doing your math typesetting? A friend of mine at the University of Washington converted the entire Math Dept. there over to using LaTeX--remember, these are all ego-maniac Ph. D. professors here--and not only did they convert to using LaTeX, but they now swear by it and won't consider anything that isn't as good. Before that, they'd used Microsoft Office for this purpose, and their attitude was, "I don't have time to learn any 'new technology'; I have to do my research and teach! I've got a *job* to do!" Here's how my friend did it. He, being a math instructor himself, made up some student worksheets for the calculus classes, and he showed them to a couple of math professors. The profs said, "Wow, that's pretty cool. How long did it take you?" My friend said, "Oh, about 5 minutes." Then he went and showed them how he did it. Sure enough, five minutes later, he'd made another worksheet with some good calculus problems (definite integrals and such). After picking up their jaws, the profs said, "Can you show us how?" He again did, and the rest is history. --snip-- I would like to correspond with a math teacher off-list who has messed with one of the TeX editors. I looked all over and decided to try MiKTex on my Wintel laptop. As close as I can tell, I need to write this stuff in html-like code and then compile it to generate a *.ps file. I may be barking up the wrong TeX tree, but no one in my dept is going to give this a second look. MathType works pretty well, and it is integrated with Office. I understand the philosophical issues and all, but I am a practical guy. Regards... Tom From haynest at mchsi.com Mon Feb 23 21:15:31 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Tom Haynes) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:15:31 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c3fa79$441e9e70$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> David Trask wrote... Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:12 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Database for school desktop use You can actually download it for free....no $$$ necessary. --snip-- Here is the link. http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/edu/solutions/staroffice.html#StarOf fice Regards... Tom From ckjohnson at gwi.net Mon Feb 23 21:32:07 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:32:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp question In-Reply-To: <1077587769.30839.41.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1077587769.30839.41.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <403AB7F0.705@gwi.net> Steve Wright wrote: >On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 05:18, Aaron Leininger wrote: > > >>I thought you all might be able to help me out with something... >> >>I am helping to advise a computer club at my school. I am setting up a linux >>server to do some things for them and to demonstrate some of the features of >>linux. One of the things I am demonstrating is DHCP. I am running 2 network >>cards on the server. 1 of them (eth0 at this point) is set to grab an >>address off of the school network and I was hoping to install a dhcp server >>and run it on the 2nd nic(eth1). The system says both cards are working >>properly and are started. eth0 is grabbing an address off of the school >>network fine and is working a-ok. I got dhcp server installed and the >>service starts and stops fine but it isn't generating addresses. Is there >>some way to tell the dhcp server which nic it is supposed to be serving >>addresses through? I did some research online and found only basic setup >>references. >> >> >> > >Yep, in the manual (/me resists the temptation) it says ; > >"The names of the network interfaces on which dhcpd should listen for >broadcasts may be specified on the command line." > > FWIW - the best way to set that argument for dhcpd is to edit /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd and change the line there to read: DHCPDARGS=eth1 Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Feb 23 21:35:03 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:35:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Xwindow screen snooping In-Reply-To: <200402232016.i1NKG8tm030132@strange.us.dg.com> References: <200402232016.i1NKG8tm030132@strange.us.dg.com> Message-ID: <403AB86F.6020302@downeast.net> I cam ssh into a terminal and run vncserver as a local app on the clientbut alla remote person sees is a gray screen with x cursor.cause the terminal is using display :0....so i used the rdesktopscreen script as a basis to see if i could run the terminals display as display:1 and then see the display remotely..on the ltspserver i can either start vncserver via xinetd or manually. but can?t get syntax right in vncviewer script on terminal i guess as all isee on the terminal is x starting then a very brief display of what seems to be vncviewer --help before x crashes.i still don understand how using this one could isolate say lab17 and take over their session cause the terminal has no vncsever running...and the server may be serving out ten sessions to different clients.. tried also to somehow export x display of terminals but get in a fuddle trying to understand where the seesion is really happening......chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Feb 23 21:42:08 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:42:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp4 lbe - getting started(borrowing someone elses idea) In-Reply-To: <1077574670.21567.47.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1077574670.21567.47.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <403ABA23.7090704@downeast.net> hi..yep i saw you there briefly today.. with vnc i created )stole) a package.def from within the lbe ltsp-src and wrote it over using vnc...located the source coed and derived the md5sum for it ,method of unzipping etc.. and ran withing ltsp-src ./build --only vnc... and added into the package.def..also added the name of the package to the bottom of a file listing all packages to be built..the build script would then download source if it was not already in tarballs..un zip it try to compile it and tell what was missing for compile to complete..take a package.def and rip into it to see what ,makes it tick ! chuck Steve Wright wrote: >Guys, > >after getting trolled and then kicked by moron +o on #ltsp I will ask my >questiunzippingon here.. grrr.. > >Ok, I have sane-backends-1.0.13 which I want to build on K12LTSP v4.0 > >I have the lbe (binary) installed from the Distros' CDset. > >Where do I unzip the sane-backends-1.0.13 package, and where do I start. > > >thanks much, >Steve > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Feb 23 21:46:08 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:46:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk In-Reply-To: <20040223162940.90962.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040223162940.90962.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1077590864.11689.63.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 08:29, Jennifer Waters wrote: > I would like to know where to find a Netatalk build > that works with Fedora? I tried to start it on my new > build and it wasn't there. My Fedora Core 1 box came w/ netatalk-1.5.5-9, though we upgraded to netatalk-1.6.4-1 from rawhide because of some issues w/ Mac OS X 10.3 computers. You might check out: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora/RPMS.os/netatalk-1.5.5-9.i386.rpm -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From jneiffer at neiffer.com Mon Feb 23 21:48:03 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:48:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help backchannel from the community? In-Reply-To: <403ABA23.7090704@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200402240249.i1O2nYb05851@mx1.redhat.com> Hi there. :) I am finishing a research paper for a grad class. The paper is basically a limited first draft for my intended dissertation topic: open source software use in K12 schools. Would any list members be interested in answering a couple of interview-like questions via back channel in the next couple of days? Thanks, Jason Neiffer From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Feb 23 21:52:30 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:52:30 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] This $5 motherboard and processor - good for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403ABCC8.1080002@cmosnetworks.com> Don't know anything about those mobos, but all the mini-mobos I've seen have a PCI slot in 'em. These days, I see a lot of computers with built-in NICs, and I virtually always throw in a 3Com 3C905 card (we've pretty much standardized on those, so we have lots) in there just for consistency, even though I know it already has one built-in. This way, I need *one* boot floppy type. Helps when one goes bad, or a boot floppy "disappears", etc. --TP Sean Flynn wrote: > I put a Win98SE system together yeterday using this motherboard and it > works great. I can try testing it out as an XTerm but I'm not sure > which bootrom to use for the embedded NIC device. Seems it would > defeat the purpose if you can't use the on board NIC and sound. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." > Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] This $5 motherboard and processor - good for > K12LTSP? > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:15:16 -0500 > > Yes, you can indeed run them fanless, but your heatsink should be > pretty huge, and you should have at least minimal airflow through the > case. The 1GHz version uses about 12W full-tilt, and, of course, they > wouldn?t be running at full-tilt in thin-client mode. They are not > really geared to go up against the Pentium III or Celeron desktop > chips; their market is laptops and other low-power applications, kind > of like Transmeta. That said, their oomph/watt ratio is really > impressive. > > http://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20020605/index.html > > This thing?s actually got enough oomph to make a decent stand-alone > box. Remembering that a Pentium-133 is already overkill for an Xterm, > these would be way over the top for the horsepower we would need, all > the while not sucking up all the building?s power. Useful for places > like California. :-) > > --TP > > Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com wrote: > >> How about a 1.3GHz C3 board+chip combo with integrated sound, >> network, and >> video for $5 after rebate? >> >> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?Edpno=146907 >> >> >> >> FROM THE PAGE ABOVE : >> PRICE: >> $59.99 >> LESS REBATE: >> - $54.99 >> FINAL PRICE: >> $5.00* >> Compare at: $89.99 Save $84.99 >> >> Quantity >> >> Usually ships within 7 - 14 Days >> >> *Price after a $54.99 mail-in rebate. Expires on 02/28/2004. >> Rebate limited to 1 per household. >> >> http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/Rebates/PDFs/s452-1001,1002,2000-feb.pdf >> >> >> >> shows you have 30 days from the DATE OF PUCHASE to get it postmarked. >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> Here are some numbers taken from Sandra, CPU airthmetic benchmark >> >> VIA C3 1GHz 64L2: ALU 1229 MIPS, FPU 352 MFLOPS. >> Intel Celeron 600MHz 128L2: ALU 1620 MIPS, FPU 804 MFLOPS. >> >> --------- supposed to be able to run it fanless ??? Not an overly >> impressive processor....but for $5 :) >> >> Just thought I'd post it in case anyone wanted to try it out....... >> or maybe we could have a rebatefest and 30 or 40 of us order them for >> one school ??? I'd donate $5 :) Just a thought. >> >> Dave Crouse >> www.usalug.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _________________________________________________________________ > Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage ? 4 plans to choose > from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Feb 23 21:53:37 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:53:37 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Security of Local Win2K Boxes when using K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <003901c3f9d6$7a163860$692a1318@attbi.com> References: <003901c3f9d6$7a163860$692a1318@attbi.com> Message-ID: <403ABC8A.4000405@downeast.net> I don know of any way to diminish the power of the penguin..Freely available on the net are linux bootup floppies and cd which can access the sam accounts and change password on 2000/xp boxes...I use them quite a lot for the right reasons...chuck From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Feb 23 21:58:26 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:58:26 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Security of Local Win2K Boxes when using K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <003901c3f9d6$7a163860$692a1318@attbi.com> References: <003901c3f9d6$7a163860$692a1318@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1077591574.11689.71.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 22:29, Ken Meyer wrote: > I have not discovered any way to protect NTFS files from local > Linux boots -- no clever BIOS routine that might tell Linux not to recognize > the contents of the NTFS system partition, or whatever. If you figure out how to protect a computer w/o providing physical security, please give me a call. The Linux piece is a red herring. Anyone w/ physical access can boot (as others have mentioned) from _something_ to bypass NTFS permissions. You could do the same thing to a Linux workstation using a Windows boot disk if it supported ext2/3/reiser/whatever. Don't know if there is such an animal. The only thing Linux is guilty of here is being versatile. -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Feb 23 21:59:13 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Mon Feb 23 21:59:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help backchannel from the community? In-Reply-To: <200402240249.i1O2nYb05851@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200402240249.i1O2nYb05851@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <403ABE1F.3030509@downeast.net> Might not get what you want, but ask away from my perspective..hee hee chuck From morenstein at alum.mit.edu Mon Feb 23 22:06:15 2004 From: morenstein at alum.mit.edu (Mark Orenstein) Date: Mon Feb 23 22:06:15 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had to do this last year on a RH8 system. I went into /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd and modified a line in the start section I changed daemon /usr/sbin/dhcpd ${DHCPDARGS} to daemon /usr/sbin/dhcpd eth1 ${DHCPDARGS} so it only looked at the eth1 interface. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Aaron Leininger Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:19 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp question I thought you all might be able to help me out with something... I am helping to advise a computer club at my school. I am setting up a linux server to do some things for them and to demonstrate some of the features of linux. One of the things I am demonstrating is DHCP. I am running 2 network cards on the server. 1 of them (eth0 at this point) is set to grab an address off of the school network and I was hoping to install a dhcp server and run it on the 2nd nic(eth1). The system says both cards are working properly and are started. eth0 is grabbing an address off of the school network fine and is working a-ok. I got dhcp server installed and the service starts and stops fine but it isn't generating addresses. Is there some way to tell the dhcp server which nic it is supposed to be serving addresses through? I did some research online and found only basic setup references. Thanks in advance, Aaron _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Feb 23 22:11:03 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon Feb 23 22:11:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Security of Local Win2K Boxes when using K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <003901c3f9d6$7a163860$692a1318@attbi.com> References: <003901c3f9d6$7a163860$692a1318@attbi.com> Message-ID: <403AC0FD.4000403@cmosnetworks.com> There's an old story about a new young sysadmin apprenticed to an old, grizzled UNIX guru, who told the young kid, "Boy, if you ain't got physical security, you ain't got diddly!" This is as true on Windows, GNU/Linux, OS/2, mainframes, or anything else as it is on UNIX. Microsoft tried in the mid 1990's to say that the NTFS was totally secure, even with the box out in the open. This was "true" until Mark Russinovich over at NTInternals.com (now WinInternals.com) wrote an app that same year called NTFSDOS that could not only read, but *write*, to NTFS partitions...from an MS-DOS boot floppy. Microsoft very quickly removed that "NTFS is invulnerable" Web page from their Web site and started backtracking big time, talking about how important physical security is. If you have physical access to the box, then you have the box. Period. --TP Ken Meyer wrote: >Recently, the net admin at one of the community colleges I am attending >(senior tuition waiver) told me that there had been damage to system files >on some classroom Win2K boxes. He alleges this was due to some of the more >knowledgeable and well-trained students booting Knoppix and similar distros, >which ignore the Win2K permissions and allow such mischief, though I am not >sure how he is so sure that it was hackers powered by Linux that did the >damage. > >I would not like to see the Boot-from-CD option turned off on these >machines, but I have not discovered any way to protect NTFS files from local >Linux boots -- no clever BIOS routine that might tell Linux not to recognize >the contents of the NTFS system partition, or whatever. If there indeed is >none and he is forced to turn off the CD Boot option (while leaving the >Floppy Boot capability), then I would like to promote the creation of a >Linux terminal server in order to serve those who want to have access to >Linux from anywhere on campus (and who are not using it just as a hackers' >interface). So, the second question is: if you boot from a floppy to the >TS, can you still access the contents of the local drive, as if you had >booted Linux on the local box, or is that drive invisible and/or >inaccessible. If there's no difference in the hackability, obviously, my >opportunity to sell LTSP will have to be based on other grounds. > >Ken Meyer > From les at futuresource.com Mon Feb 23 22:29:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon Feb 23 22:29:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp question References: Message-ID: <008f01c3fa86$9b5c8780$0300a8c0@futuresource.com> >From: "Aaron Leininger" > One of the things I am demonstrating is DHCP. I am running 2 network > cards on the server. 1 of them (eth0 at this point) is set to grab an > address off of the school network and I was hoping to install a dhcp server > and run it on the 2nd nic(eth1). The really easy way to do this is to install the k12ltsp distribution which will configure it that way by default. Or the SMEserver distribution but that is a little less general-purpose. ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Feb 23 22:32:05 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Feb 23 22:32:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp4 lbe - getting started(borrowing someone elses idea) In-Reply-To: <403ABA23.7090704@downeast.net> References: <1077574670.21567.47.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <403ABA23.7090704@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1077593609.32212.3.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 15:42, cliebow wrote: > hi..yep i saw you there briefly today.. with vnc i created )stole) a > package.def from within the lbe ltsp-src and wrote it over using > vnc...located the source coed and derived the md5sum for it ,method of > unzipping etc.. and ran withing ltsp-src ./build --only vnc... and added > into the package.def..also added the name of the package to the bottom > of a file listing all packages to be built..the build script would then > download source if it was not already in tarballs..un zip it try to > compile it and tell what was missing for compile to complete..take a > package.def and rip into it to see what ,makes it tick ! chuck /me blinks.. thanks Chuck. Will re-read.. and re-read.. ;-) sounds like a plan tho.. is there a... ahh, umm, proper way to do it ? Steve ;-) /me prints it out and squints at it... >8-|hmmmmmm From Galea.Luke at TorontoRehab.on.ca Mon Feb 23 22:46:20 2004 From: Galea.Luke at TorontoRehab.on.ca (Galea, Luke) Date: Mon Feb 23 22:46:20 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: snooping on x11 sessions Message-ID: <04Feb23.224448est.119129@u1fw.torontorehab.on.ca> Thanks all for the great suggestions for snooping on user's sessions. x0rfbserver doesn't seem to work because of my use of openmosix for LTSP+OM, (MIT-SHM fails), but I am thinking of going with x11vnc and disabling it. Thanks for the suggestions. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at rossberry.com Mon Feb 23 23:17:41 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Mon Feb 23 23:17:41 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Milter for outgoing BCC? In-Reply-To: <403A13F1.3030300@inlandlakes.org> References: <403A13F1.3030300@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Try synonym. From freshmeat. On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > please don't respond as such> > > Does anyone have a good, reliable way (I'm assuming a sendmail milter of > some sort) for copying all outgoing mail into a standard mbox file? I > have a simple /etc/procmailrc file for incoming mail, and it > rotates/compresses along with all my syslogs quite nicely -- but I'm a > little befuddled regarding the outgoing mail... > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks a bunch, > -Shawn > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From gjkramer at shaw.ca Mon Feb 23 23:48:07 2004 From: gjkramer at shaw.ca (Gustav Kramer) Date: Mon Feb 23 23:48:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] This $5 motherboard and processor - good for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077597549.15987.5.camel@server.ltsp> You may want to check the bios settings, if it's a newer board chances are it supports PXE. If it does, it's just a matter of telling it to boot off the lan and let LTSP do the rest! On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 07:24, Sean Flynn wrote: > I put a Win98SE system together yeterday using this motherboard and it works > great. I can try testing it out as an XTerm but I'm not sure which bootrom > to use for the embedded NIC device. Seems it would defeat the purpose if you > can't use the on board NIC and sound. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." > Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] This $5 motherboard and processor - good for K12LTSP? > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:15:16 -0500 > > Yes, you can indeed run them fanless, but your heatsink should be pretty > huge, and you should have at least minimal airflow through the case. The > 1GHz version uses about 12W full-tilt, and, of course, they wouldnt be > running at full-tilt in thin-client mode. They are not really geared to go > up against the Pentium III or Celeron desktop chips; their market is laptops > and other low-power applications, kind of like Transmeta. That said, their > oomph/watt ratio is really impressive. > > http://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20020605/index.html > > This things actually got enough oomph to make a decent stand-alone box. > Remembering that a Pentium-133 is already overkill for an Xterm, these would > be way over the top for the horsepower we would need, all the while not > sucking up all the buildings power. Useful for places like California. > :-) > > --TP > > Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com wrote: > > >How about a 1.3GHz C3 board+chip combo with integrated sound, network, and > >video for $5 after rebate? > > > > > >http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?Edpno=146907 > > > > > >FROM THE PAGE ABOVE : > >PRICE: > >$59.99 > >LESS REBATE: > >- $54.99 > >FINAL PRICE: > >$5.00* > >Compare at: $89.99 Save $84.99 > > > >Quantity > > > >Usually ships within 7 - 14 Days > > > >*Price after a $54.99 mail-in rebate. Expires on 02/28/2004. > >Rebate limited to 1 per household. > > > >http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/Rebates/PDFs/s452-1001,1002,2000-feb.pdf > > > > > >shows you have 30 days from the DATE OF PUCHASE to get it postmarked. > > > >------------------------------- > > > >Here are some numbers taken from Sandra, CPU airthmetic benchmark > > > >VIA C3 1GHz 64L2: ALU 1229 MIPS, FPU 352 MFLOPS. > >Intel Celeron 600MHz 128L2: ALU 1620 MIPS, FPU 804 MFLOPS. > > > >--------- supposed to be able to run it fanless ??? Not an overly > >impressive processor....but for $5 :) > > > >Just thought I'd post it in case anyone wanted to try it out....... or > >maybe we could have a rebatefest and 30 or 40 of us order them for one > >school ??? I'd donate $5 :) Just a thought. > > > >Dave Crouse > >www.usalug.org > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _________________________________________________________________ > Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From andyr at wizzy.com Tue Feb 24 03:15:03 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Tue Feb 24 03:15:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy server can't connect In-Reply-To: <000401c3fa08$c5632f80$0301a8c0@ella> References: <000401c3fa08$c5632f80$0301a8c0@ella> Message-ID: <20040224081614.GA6632@wizzy.com> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Jeff Braumberger wrote: > I'm trying to save to a floppy so I can boot my terminal (client). > Floppy access says it can't initialize the floppy server. I've turned > off the firewall. That doesn't seem to make a difference. Anyone have > and thoughts? I use MToolsFM for floppy access on the client. I have found it necessary sometimes to do the following :- # ldconfig -r /opt/ltsp/i386 What this does is update the dynamic linker cache /etc/ld.so.cache (for the client) so that floppyd (or anything else) knows where to find its libraries. floppyd has X11R6 dependencies. I think it would be a good idea if ltsp updated the /etc/init.d/* files to run this on the server on boot. Maybe it does this already in newer releases - I tend to do piecemeal updates rather than installing from scratch. Cheers, Andy! From info at proex-india.com Tue Feb 24 03:29:01 2004 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Tue Feb 24 03:29:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <200402240830.i1O8URb27721@mx1.redhat.com> Hello, I am able to Boot Dos Client with Etherboot , where in i get options from the DHCP server to boot DOS or Linux , But When i try to do through PXE network card i don;t get options. What options i have to define with PXe , option-128 , option-129 etc. Please do the needful as early as possible. Regards K.Dinesh ********************* In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? ********************* From info at proex-india.com Tue Feb 24 03:41:00 2004 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Tue Feb 24 03:41:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [Ltsp-discuss] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello, I am able to Boot Dos Client with Etherboot , where in i get options from the DHCP server to boot DOS or Linux , But When i try to do through PXE network card i don;t get options. What options i have to define with PXe , option-128 , option-129 etc. Please do the needful as early as possible. Regards K.Dinesh ********************* In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? ********************* ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps & Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356&alloc_id=3438&op=click _____________________________________________________________________ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Tue Feb 24 05:05:01 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Tue Feb 24 05:05:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Mathtype (WAS:Database for desktop...) In-Reply-To: <001301c3fa75$e59daf60$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> References: <001301c3fa75$e59daf60$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> Message-ID: <403B222B.2060704@jsoft.com> Both Mozilla and Amaya support MathML. http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ http://www.w3.org/Amaya/Amaya.html#math http://www.w3.org/Amaya/MathExamples.html http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/ What does LaTeX give you that MathML does not? Disclaimer: Just curious Gary Tom Haynes wrote: > Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote... > > Have you ever considered using LaTeX for doing your math typesetting? A > friend of mine at the University of Washington converted the entire Math > Dept. there over to using LaTeX--remember, these are all ego-maniac Ph. > D. professors here--and not only did they convert to using LaTeX, but > they now swear by it and won't consider anything that isn't as good. > Before that, they'd used Microsoft Office for this purpose, and their > attitude was, "I don't have time to learn any 'new technology'; I have > to do my research and teach! I've got a *job* to do!" > > Here's how my friend did it. He, being a math instructor himself, made > up some student worksheets for the calculus classes, and he showed them > to a couple of math professors. The profs said, "Wow, that's pretty > cool. How long did it take you?" My friend said, "Oh, about 5 > minutes." Then he went and showed them how he did it. Sure enough, > five minutes later, he'd made another worksheet with some good calculus > problems (definite integrals and such). After picking up their jaws, > the profs said, "Can you show us how?" He again did, and the rest is > history. > > --snip-- > > I would like to correspond with a math teacher off-list who has messed with > one of the TeX editors. I looked all over and decided to try MiKTex on my > Wintel laptop. As close as I can tell, I need to write this stuff in > html-like code and then compile it to generate a *.ps file. I may be barking > up the wrong TeX tree, but no one in my dept is going to give this a second > look. MathType works pretty well, and it is integrated with Office. I > understand the philosophical issues and all, but I am a practical guy. > > Regards... Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Tue Feb 24 05:20:11 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Tue Feb 24 05:20:11 2004 Subject: Network Card suggestions revisited Was: Re: [K12OSN] This $5 motherboard and processor - good for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <403ABCC8.1080002@cmosnetworks.com> References: <403ABCC8.1080002@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <403B25A7.4000904@jsoft.com> I asked about network cards a while back. https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-January/msg00015.html The response (Thanks) was that it is worth getting a card that is better that the bottom end. The 3Com cards were one of the suggestions. Is there any data on how much better a 3Com or Intel or ? card is than the bottom end? Gary Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Don't know anything about those mobos, but all the mini-mobos I've seen > have a PCI slot in 'em. These days, I see a lot of computers with > built-in NICs, and I virtually always throw in a 3Com 3C905 card (we've > pretty much standardized on those, so we have lots) in there just for > consistency, even though I know it already has one built-in. This way, I > need *one* boot floppy type. Helps when one goes bad, or a boot floppy > "disappears", etc. > > --TP > > Sean Flynn wrote: > >> I put a Win98SE system together yeterday using this motherboard and it >> works great. I can try testing it out as an XTerm but I'm not sure >> which bootrom to use for the embedded NIC device. Seems it would >> defeat the purpose if you can't use the on board NIC and sound. >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >> Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] This $5 motherboard and processor - good for >> K12LTSP? >> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:15:16 -0500 >> >> Yes, you can indeed run them fanless, but your heatsink should be >> pretty huge, and you should have at least minimal airflow through the >> case. The 1GHz version uses about 12W full-tilt, and, of course, they >> wouldn?t be running at full-tilt in thin-client mode. They are not >> really geared to go up against the Pentium III or Celeron desktop >> chips; their market is laptops and other low-power applications, kind >> of like Transmeta. That said, their oomph/watt ratio is really >> impressive. >> >> http://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20020605/index.html >> >> This thing?s actually got enough oomph to make a decent stand-alone >> box. Remembering that a Pentium-133 is already overkill for an Xterm, >> these would be way over the top for the horsepower we would need, all >> the while not sucking up all the building?s power. Useful for places >> like California. :-) >> >> --TP >> >> Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com wrote: >> >>> How about a 1.3GHz C3 board+chip combo with integrated sound, >>> network, and >>> video for $5 after rebate? >>> >>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?Edpno=146907 >>> >>> >>> >>> FROM THE PAGE ABOVE : >>> PRICE: >>> $59.99 >>> LESS REBATE: >>> - $54.99 >>> FINAL PRICE: >>> $5.00* >>> Compare at: $89.99 Save $84.99 >>> >>> Quantity >>> >>> Usually ships within 7 - 14 Days >>> >>> *Price after a $54.99 mail-in rebate. Expires on 02/28/2004. >>> Rebate limited to 1 per household. >>> >>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/Rebates/PDFs/s452-1001,1002,2000-feb.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> shows you have 30 days from the DATE OF PUCHASE to get it postmarked. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> Here are some numbers taken from Sandra, CPU airthmetic benchmark >>> >>> VIA C3 1GHz 64L2: ALU 1229 MIPS, FPU 352 MFLOPS. >>> Intel Celeron 600MHz 128L2: ALU 1620 MIPS, FPU 804 MFLOPS. >>> >>> --------- supposed to be able to run it fanless ??? Not an overly >>> impressive processor....but for $5 :) >>> >>> Just thought I'd post it in case anyone wanted to try it out....... >>> or maybe we could have a rebatefest and 30 or 40 of us order them for >>> one school ??? I'd donate $5 :) Just a thought. >>> >>> Dave Crouse >>> www.usalug.org >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage ? 4 plans to choose >> from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Feb 24 06:08:01 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue Feb 24 06:08:01 2004 Subject: Network Card suggestions revisited Was: Re: [K12OSN] This $5 motherboard and processor - good for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <403B25A7.4000904@jsoft.com> References: <403ABCC8.1080002@cmosnetworks.com> <403B25A7.4000904@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <1077620939.18279.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-January/msg00015.html > The response (Thanks) was that it is worth getting a card that is better > that the bottom end. The 3Com cards were one of the suggestions. > > Is there any data on how much better a 3Com or Intel or ? card is than > the bottom end? I have seen some comparisons lately on Gigabit cards but never on 10/100 cards. You have to put this in perspective. Yes, 3Com and Intel cards are reported to be somewhat faster and would probably make sense in your server. However since a terminal doesn't use the full 100 Mbs anyway you may be paying extra for nothing. Bottomline (IMHO) if you have 3Com cards use them. If you don't, consider what you can afford. Sure they are only 10-20 bucks more but if you have to buy a lot, you are getting into the price of a terminal very quickly. Tim From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Feb 24 06:52:00 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Tue Feb 24 06:52:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp4 lbe - getting started(borrowing someone elses idea) In-Reply-To: <1077593609.32212.3.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1077574670.21567.47.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <403ABA23.7090704@downeast.net> <1077593609.32212.3.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <403B3AED.3000409@downeast.net> i don know from proper...this is what jammcq and rjune helped me limp thru. i will have configs at hand at school today...fwiw chuck Steve Wright wrote: >On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 15:42, cliebow wrote: > > >>hi..yep i saw you there briefly today.. with vnc i created )stole) a >>package.def from within the lbe ltsp-src and wrote it over using >>vnc...located the source coed and derived the md5sum for it ,method of >>unzipping etc.. and ran withing ltsp-src ./build --only vnc... and added >>into the package.def..also added the name of the package to the bottom >>of a file listing all packages to be built..the build script would then >>download source if it was not already in tarballs..un zip it try to >>compile it and tell what was missing for compile to complete..take a >>package.def and rip into it to see what ,makes it tick ! chuck >> >> > > >/me blinks.. thanks Chuck. Will re-read.. and re-read.. ;-) >sounds like a plan tho.. > >is there a... ahh, umm, proper way to do it ? > > >Steve ;-) >/me prints it out and squints at it... >8-|hmmmmmm > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Tue Feb 24 06:58:50 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Tue Feb 24 06:58:50 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network Card suggestions revisited In-Reply-To: <1077620939.18279.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <403ABCC8.1080002@cmosnetworks.com> <403B25A7.4000904@jsoft.com> <1077620939.18279.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <403B3CBE.6080006@jsoft.com> Good point. Timothy Legge wrote: >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-January/msg00015.html >>The response (Thanks) was that it is worth getting a card that is better >>that the bottom end. The 3Com cards were one of the suggestions. >> >>Is there any data on how much better a 3Com or Intel or ? card is than >>the bottom end? > > > I have seen some comparisons lately on Gigabit cards but never on 10/100 > cards. You have to put this in perspective. Yes, 3Com and Intel cards > are reported to be somewhat faster and would probably make sense in your > server. However since a terminal doesn't use the full 100 Mbs anyway > you may be paying extra for nothing. > > Bottomline (IMHO) if you have 3Com cards use them. If you don't, > consider what you can afford. Sure they are only 10-20 bucks more but > if you have to buy a lot, you are getting into the price of a terminal > very quickly. So if a terminal doesn't use all of a 100 Mbs card, I should not use a more expensive 10/100 OR Gigabit card in them? (Guess what I thought about doing ;-) ) Another reason for using terminals. Gary > > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 24 08:35:01 2004 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Tue Feb 24 08:35:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office question Message-ID: I am using k12ltsp v4.0 and I am wondering how I can make it so that all the terminals will save open office documents as a word document by default? The default now is .sxw. How do I change this? Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 24 08:46:02 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue Feb 24 08:46:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Go to /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux directory and run the openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh file....that'll fix your right up! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 24 08:58:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue Feb 24 08:58:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network Card suggestions revisited In-Reply-To: <403B3CBE.6080006@jsoft.com> References: <403ABCC8.1080002@cmosnetworks.com> <403B25A7.4000904@jsoft.com> <1077620939.18279.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <403B3CBE.6080006@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <1077631163.7671.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 05:59, Gary Frederick wrote: > So if a terminal doesn't use all of a 100 Mbs card, I should not use a > more expensive 10/100 OR Gigabit card in them? (Guess what I thought > about doing ;-) ) > The terminals share the server's bandwidth, so gigabit on the server would make sense but you don't need that much at a single terminal. There are differences in the CPU needed to drive different cards but I don't know where to find a good comparison. With a current fast CPU it probably doesn't matter but you might notice the difference on a PC that is old and slow. My favorite years ago was the original Netgear 10/100 card that had a DEC chip on it but you aren't likely to find any of those now unless you have a well stocked junk box. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Tue Feb 24 10:14:03 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Hedblom Daniel) Date: Tue Feb 24 10:14:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] USB mouse in k12ltsp 3.1.2 Message-ID: <04Feb24.160910cet.87200@fw01.solleftea.se> Hi! I have trouble getting my usb-mouse working in ltsp. The usb-keybd works just fine but i cant for my life get anything out of the usb-mouse. The modules is loaded but the mouse just dont move. The logs dont speak either. Any suggestions as to where to look for an answer? Cheers! ----------------------- Daniel Hedblom Sysadmin Nipan School District Sollefte? Sweden +46073-0639090 ----------------------- From keboone39 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 24 10:49:04 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Tue Feb 24 10:49:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? Message-ID: no. only one processor. >From: "Jim Kronebusch" >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:48:09 -0600 > >Not sure what MB you are using, but some need an add on voltage >regulator in order to power the second processor. Have you ever had on >OS on this box in the past that recognized dual CPU's? > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of Kevin Boone >Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:12 PM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? > > >ok. I am only showing 1-cpu running. Hmmmm. there's probably a >jumper >setting on the mb to take of this. I though they were plug and >play....I'll check BIOS to see if there's a setting for mounting two >cpu's. > >Thanks. > > > >From: Les Mikesell > >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > >To: k12osn at redhat.com > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:57:08 -0600 > > > >On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 11:40, Kevin Boone wrote: > > > I've run it. Which line tells me that 2 cpu's are running??? > > > > > > > >woops, that would be cat /proc/cpuinfo for SMP verification. > > > > > > > >The entire set of cpu info is repeated for each cpu found. > > > >Current versions of top will also show a line for each > >CPU. > > > >--- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From aahodson at episd.org Tue Feb 24 10:55:16 2004 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Tue Feb 24 10:55:16 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding users with Webmin - primer Message-ID: Hi folks Visit http://links.episd.org/LTSP/ if you are interested in perhaps using Webmin as your tool to add a large amount of users, or to set up 25 accounts for faculty/community training. In this short tutorial I've added a list that loads as user01, pwd: mascot01, that could easily be tailored to the mascot of your preference (find: mascot, replace: cougars (or whatever) in users2.txt file) Hope this helps someone out there Cheers Alan A Hodson Campus Technology Coordinator El Paso ISD, TX aahodson at episd.org -=o=- Alan A Hodson MEd. oF: 915-587-1172 fX: 915-587-1161 aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away -=o=- From kovalcik at orion-design.com Tue Feb 24 10:58:05 2004 From: kovalcik at orion-design.com (Tom Kovalcik) Date: Tue Feb 24 10:58:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Milter for outgoing BCC? In-Reply-To: <20040223152301.26481.14058.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat .com> References: <20040223152301.26481.14058.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040224105532.02286660@oriongw> At 10:23 AM 2/23/2004, you wrote: >[K12OSN] Milter for outgoing BCC? We are using MailScanner to do a similar thing. We have rules setup to store copies of mail sent or received from certain clients into corresponding files. The mail is copied to a file that can be opened by any unix compatible mail reader. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Feb 24 11:19:00 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:19:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Security of Local Win2K Boxes when using K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <403AC0FD.4000403@cmosnetworks.com> References: <003901c3f9d6$7a163860$692a1318@attbi.com> <403AC0FD.4000403@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1077639613.8841.12.camel@phoenix> Isn't there a way to encrypt the NTFS filesystem? That would cut readability from most bootable devices. On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 22:11, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > There's an old story about a new young sysadmin apprenticed to an old, > grizzled UNIX guru, who told the young kid, "Boy, if you ain't got > physical security, you ain't got diddly!" > > This is as true on Windows, GNU/Linux, OS/2, mainframes, or anything > else as it is on UNIX. Microsoft tried in the mid 1990's to say that > the NTFS was totally secure, even with the box out in the open. This > was "true" until Mark Russinovich over at NTInternals.com (now > WinInternals.com) wrote an app that same year called NTFSDOS that could > not only read, but *write*, to NTFS partitions...from an MS-DOS boot > floppy. Microsoft very quickly removed that "NTFS is invulnerable" Web > page from their Web site and started backtracking big time, talking > about how important physical security is. > > If you have physical access to the box, then you have the box. Period. > > --TP > > Ken Meyer wrote: > > >Recently, the net admin at one of the community colleges I am attending > >(senior tuition waiver) told me that there had been damage to system files > >on some classroom Win2K boxes. He alleges this was due to some of the more > >knowledgeable and well-trained students booting Knoppix and similar distros, > >which ignore the Win2K permissions and allow such mischief, though I am not > >sure how he is so sure that it was hackers powered by Linux that did the > >damage. > > > >I would not like to see the Boot-from-CD option turned off on these > >machines, but I have not discovered any way to protect NTFS files from local > >Linux boots -- no clever BIOS routine that might tell Linux not to recognize > >the contents of the NTFS system partition, or whatever. If there indeed is > >none and he is forced to turn off the CD Boot option (while leaving the > >Floppy Boot capability), then I would like to promote the creation of a > >Linux terminal server in order to serve those who want to have access to > >Linux from anywhere on campus (and who are not using it just as a hackers' > >interface). So, the second question is: if you boot from a floppy to the > >TS, can you still access the contents of the local drive, as if you had > >booted Linux on the local box, or is that drive invisible and/or > >inaccessible. If there's no difference in the hackability, obviously, my > >opportunity to sell LTSP will have to be based on other grounds. > > > >Ken Meyer > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Feb 24 11:43:08 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:43:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.0.1 released Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFC0@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric Harrison [mailto:eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us] >> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:19 PM >> >> K12LTSP v4.0.1 is officially availible for your downloading pleasure. >> >> Known issues >> ------------ >> >> - Reports of serious stability problems with SMP kernels continue. >> Mission-critical sites are still encouraged to stick with K12LTSP >> 3.1.2. The Enterprise version of K12LTSP in testing, please help >> out if you can. As I'm just getting the green light (hopefully today) to purchase my server, I'm wondering where things are going with the SMP issues. My plan was to go with a dual Xeon motherboard and to run (naturally) an SMP kernel. My three most pressing questions are: Question 1: How stable is unstable? This is for a lab so an occasional crash won't be as devistating as if I were running an office on it but still I cannot have it crashing every half hour. Later posts seem to indicate it may be too unstable even for a lab, however. Comments? Question 2: If I install 3.1.2 on this machine, can I upgrade all but the kernel to the 4.0.1 level or are there too many differences to do that? Does it make more sense to run 3.1.2 on two processors than to run 4.0.1 on one? I'll only have six workstations for the next few months, if that matters. Question 3: When can we expect this to be resolved? (crystal ball time) Does the 2.6 kernel provide the stability we need? What version of K12LTSP is expected to debut that kernel? Will 2.6 come to the 4.0.x series or will we wait until FC2 and K12LTSP 4.1 (or whatever it will be called)? It looks like there is active work on the 2.4 kernel but it's hard to tell where that's going. -- Henry Hartley From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Tue Feb 24 11:49:02 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:49:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.0.1 released In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFC0@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFC0@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <62067.170.211.161.223.1077641494.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> I am running 3.1.2 and would reccommend you do the same. I will be doing an upgrade but I will be using WBEL and some of Erics install scripts rather than fedora. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us Linux--Because technology looks better in a Tux From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Feb 24 12:30:06 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:30:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.0.1 released In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFC0@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFC0@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: 4.01 works fine on my dual Xeon....stick with brand-name motherboards and components and you should be OK. I run Intel mobo's and chips for now. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From haysja at sages.us Tue Feb 24 12:36:04 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:36:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.0.1 released In-Reply-To: <62067.170.211.161.223.1077641494.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFC0@remail2.westat.com> <62067.170.211.161.223.1077641494.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <403B8BE6.3040107@sages.us> I have been running 4.0 (beta updated to 4.0.1) for 4 months in a middle school media center. Other than 2 power outages, I have restarted once. Caleb Wagnon wrote: >I am running 3.1.2 and would reccommend you do the same. I will be doing an >upgrade but I will be using WBEL and some of Erics install scripts rather than >fedora. > > > From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Feb 24 13:04:00 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue Feb 24 13:04:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.0.1 released Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFC4@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Hays [mailto:haysja at sages.us] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:38 PM >> >> Caleb Wagnon wrote: >> > I am running 3.1.2 and would reccommend you do the same. I >> > will be doing an upgrade but I will be using WBEL and some >> > of Erics install scripts rather than fedora. >> >> I have been running 4.0 (beta updated to 4.0.1) for 4 months in >> a middle school media center. Other than 2 power outages, I >> have restarted once. I was planning on using the Tyan Tiger i7501S Motherboard ($303 from newegg) with two Intel Xeon DP 2.4 GHz 533MHz FSB. Does anyone have any experience with that board? What motherboard(s) are you using? The Intel E7505 Dual Xeon MB (also from newegg) goes for $399. Worth the extra $100? Other recommendations? -- Henry Hartley From haysja at sages.us Tue Feb 24 13:15:03 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue Feb 24 13:15:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.0.1 released In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFC4@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFC4@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <403B94CE.8000307@sages.us> I would spend the $100 on RAM or HD. Henry Hartley wrote: >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Jim Hays [mailto:haysja at sages.us] >>>Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:38 PM >>> >>>Caleb Wagnon wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I am running 3.1.2 and would reccommend you do the same. I >>>>will be doing an upgrade but I will be using WBEL and some >>>>of Erics install scripts rather than fedora. >>>> >>>> >>>I have been running 4.0 (beta updated to 4.0.1) for 4 months in >>>a middle school media center. Other than 2 power outages, I >>>have restarted once. >>> >>> > >I was planning on using the Tyan Tiger i7501S Motherboard ($303 >from newegg) with two Intel Xeon DP 2.4 GHz 533MHz FSB. Does >anyone have any experience with that board? What motherboard(s) >are you using? The Intel E7505 Dual Xeon MB (also from newegg) >goes for $399. Worth the extra $100? Other recommendations? > > > From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 24 13:15:23 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue Feb 24 13:15:23 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077646238.19319.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 09:50, Kevin Boone wrote: > no. only one processor. > Did you add the 2nd one yourself or did it come installed? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue Feb 24 13:39:03 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue Feb 24 13:39:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help backchannel from the community? In-Reply-To: <200402240249.i1O2nYb05851@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200402240249.i1O2nYb05851@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1077648052.2922.5.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 18:54, Jason Neiffer wrote: > Hi there. :) > > I am finishing a research paper for a grad class. The paper is basically a > limited first draft for my intended dissertation topic: open source software > use in K12 schools. Would any list members be interested in answering a > couple of interview-like questions via back channel in the next couple of > days? Sure thing. Email me at deque at softhome.net -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Tue Feb 24 13:51:35 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Tue Feb 24 13:51:35 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help backchannel from the community? In-Reply-To: <1077648052.2922.5.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> References: <200402240249.i1O2nYb05851@mx1.redhat.com> <1077648052.2922.5.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <403B9D59.40808@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Quentin Hartman wrote: > On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 18:54, Jason Neiffer wrote: > >>Hi there. :) >> >>I am finishing a research paper for a grad class. The paper is basically a >>limited first draft for my intended dissertation topic: open source software >>use in K12 schools. Would any list members be interested in answering a >>couple of interview-like questions via back channel in the next couple of >>days? Sure. Email me at the address below -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From rusek at gybon.cz Tue Feb 24 15:40:00 2004 From: rusek at gybon.cz (Ondrej Rusek) Date: Tue Feb 24 15:40:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] problems with OOo Message-ID: <20040224203855.GA2669@apsik.gybon.cz> Hi, 'sometimes' have our students problems with running OOo applications (Writer, Calc,...) on thin clients (K12LTSP 4.0). This programs not running. After my experimets - when I removing files from /tmp (with ownership to this user) OOo again running. What happens? Do You have anybody similar experinces like me? Do You know better way for repair OOo apps? Thanks. -- S pozdravem -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ondrej Rusek GYmnazium BOzeny Nemcove, Hradec Kralove, Czech rusek at gybon.cz, http://www.gybon.cz/~rusek -------------------------------------------------- X-terminals in school - http://www.gybon.cz/edunix =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From keboone39 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 24 15:58:00 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Tue Feb 24 15:58:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? Message-ID: I added it myself. >From: Les Mikesell >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:10:38 -0600 > >On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 09:50, Kevin Boone wrote: > > no. only one processor. > > > >Did you add the 2nd one yourself or did it come >installed? > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 24 16:40:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue Feb 24 16:40:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077658654.19319.38.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 14:59, Kevin Boone wrote: > I added it myself. > If you are lucky, it is just a motherboard jumper or bios setting to activate it. If you aren't, you may need a kit from the manufacturer that includes a voltage regulator for it. Do you happen to know the motherboard brand/number? Is it a slot 1 type CPU? -Les From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Feb 24 16:46:01 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue Feb 24 16:46:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working Message-ID: Help!! I am trying to demo the LTSP setup to the computer teacher and principal .... and of course something does not work. I have a compaq deskpro with PS/2 mouse and PS/2 keyboard which works fine. Another workstation (I hve 22 of these that I wanted to convert to LTSP terminals) has an AT keyboard - big plug, and serial mouse. The mouse works in the BIOS setup. The BIOS is set to a non-PnP OS. I can "pause" the boot at the beginning but then at the X-server login window both keyboard and mouse are non-existant. I am using LTSP 4 [ws007] XSERVER = auto OR XSERVER = XF86_S3 (both same result...) X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_MOUSE_BAUD = 1200 The rest is according to the defaults in LTSP 4.0 with latest updates. thanks for rescuing me joe = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 24 16:56:03 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue Feb 24 16:56:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403BC8E7.5060709@maltzen.net> You might try setting the X_MOUSE_DEVICE to ttyS1. I had one workstation which had just one serial port but that was the only way I could get it to see the mouse. Not sure about the kb. Petre Joe Guenther wrote: > Help!! > > I am trying to demo the LTSP setup to the computer teacher and principal > .... and of course something does not work. I have a compaq deskpro with > PS/2 mouse and PS/2 keyboard which works fine. > > Another workstation (I hve 22 of these that I wanted to convert to LTSP > terminals) has an AT keyboard - big plug, and serial mouse. The mouse works > in the BIOS setup. The BIOS is set to a non-PnP OS. I can "pause" the boot > at the beginning but then at the X-server login window both keyboard and > mouse are non-existant. > > I am using LTSP 4 > > [ws007] > XSERVER = auto > OR > XSERVER = XF86_S3 (both same result...) > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_MOUSE_BAUD = 1200 > > The rest is according to the defaults in LTSP 4.0 with latest updates. > > thanks for rescuing me > joe > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > LANtech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Tue Feb 24 17:09:37 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Tue Feb 24 17:09:37 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Rebooting WinTerms Message-ID: <403BCB9B.9030108@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> I'm using K12LTSP at one of our elementary schools to provide cheap Windows Terminals, based on the wilisystem.com setup. Basically, this creates a new runlevel (7) that simply starts up rdesktop on the terminal. The problem is, if these machines are left untouched (once up to the Windows logon screen), they recycle - that is, it appears that X dies and restarts, relaunching rdesktop. This occurs appx every 5 minutes. This causes extra network traffic and annoyances for the teachers as the machines relaunch. I know they could turn the monitor off, but it also strikes me as unpolished to have the machines (appear to be) restarting every 5 minutes. Any ideas on why this might be happening? -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Feb 24 17:12:01 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue Feb 24 17:12:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working In-Reply-To: <403BC8E7.5060709@maltzen.net> Message-ID: tried that too ... that is just the COM1 / COM2 selection .... but why no keyboard????? joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:58 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working You might try setting the X_MOUSE_DEVICE to ttyS1. I had one workstation which had just one serial port but that was the only way I could get it to see the mouse. Not sure about the kb. Petre Joe Guenther wrote: > Help!! > > I am trying to demo the LTSP setup to the computer teacher and principal > .... and of course something does not work. I have a compaq deskpro with > PS/2 mouse and PS/2 keyboard which works fine. > > Another workstation (I hve 22 of these that I wanted to convert to LTSP > terminals) has an AT keyboard - big plug, and serial mouse. The mouse works > in the BIOS setup. The BIOS is set to a non-PnP OS. I can "pause" the boot > at the beginning but then at the X-server login window both keyboard and > mouse are non-existant. > > I am using LTSP 4 > > [ws007] > XSERVER = auto > OR > XSERVER = XF86_S3 (both same result...) > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_MOUSE_BAUD = 1200 > > The rest is according to the defaults in LTSP 4.0 with latest updates. > > thanks for rescuing me > joe > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > LANtech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Tue Feb 24 17:14:46 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue Feb 24 17:14:46 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is probably completely a mouse problem. I've seen many occasions where an incorrectly configured mouse will cause the keyboard to also not work in X windows. Fix the mouse issue, and quite likely, the keyboard will work too. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Joe Guenther wrote: > Help!! > > I am trying to demo the LTSP setup to the computer teacher and principal > .... and of course something does not work. I have a compaq deskpro with > PS/2 mouse and PS/2 keyboard which works fine. > > Another workstation (I hve 22 of these that I wanted to convert to LTSP > terminals) has an AT keyboard - big plug, and serial mouse. The mouse works > in the BIOS setup. The BIOS is set to a non-PnP OS. I can "pause" the boot > at the beginning but then at the X-server login window both keyboard and > mouse are non-existant. > > I am using LTSP 4 > > [ws007] > XSERVER = auto > OR > XSERVER = XF86_S3 (both same result...) > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_MOUSE_BAUD = 1200 > > The rest is according to the defaults in LTSP 4.0 with latest updates. > > thanks for rescuing me > joe > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > LANtech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Feb 24 17:23:02 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Feb 24 17:23:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] USB mouse in k12ltsp 3.1.2 In-Reply-To: <04Feb24.160910cet.87200@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Feb24.160910cet.87200@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <1077661467.2872.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 04:03, Hedblom Daniel wrote: > Hi! > > I have trouble getting my usb-mouse working in ltsp. The usb-keybd works > just fine but i cant for my life get anything out of the usb-mouse. The > modules is loaded but the mouse just dont move. The logs dont speak > either. Any suggestions as to where to look for an answer? tail -f /var/log/messages and unplug and re-plug your USB mousey.. If you have *no* messages on the display then something is seriously wrong hardware-wise. My friend recently purchased a genius wireless USB mouse, and it just worked. (K12LTSP v4.0) /steve From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Tue Feb 24 17:52:01 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Hedblom Daniel) Date: Tue Feb 24 17:52:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] USB mouse in k12ltsp 3.1.2 Message-ID: <04Feb24.234415cet.87093@fw01.solleftea.se> This very mouse works in k12ltsp4 but i run 3.1.2 in my school. I havent found out where there is any differences between them but i will use your tip and see if i can get a clue. Thanks! ----------------------- Daniel Hedblom Sysadmin Nipan School District Sollefte? Sweden +46073-0639090 ----------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Steve Wright Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:24:28 +1300 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] USB mouse in k12ltsp 3.1.2 > On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 04:03, Hedblom Daniel wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I have trouble getting my usb-mouse working in ltsp. The usb-keybd > works > > just fine but i cant for my life get anything out of the usb-mouse. > The > > modules is loaded but the mouse just dont move. The logs dont speak > > either. Any suggestions as to where to look for an answer? > > > tail -f /var/log/messages > > and unplug and re-plug your USB mousey.. > > If you have *no* messages on the display then something is seriously > wrong hardware-wise. > > My friend recently purchased a genius wireless USB mouse, and it just > worked. (K12LTSP v4.0) > > > /steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Feb 24 18:08:00 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue Feb 24 18:08:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk In-Reply-To: <20040223162940.90962.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040223162940.90962.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <403BD9B0.3080907@cmosnetworks.com> Jennifer Waters wrote: >I would like to know where to find a Netatalk build >that works with Fedora? I tried to start it on my new >build and it wasn't there. > >Thank you for any help. > >Jennifer > > Actually, I would go ahead and compile the source (this is what I do). This way, you know what you're getting. Once you expand the tarball, just do ./configure make make install and you should be good to go. The tarball can be found at http://www.netatalk.org/. --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Feb 24 18:14:00 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue Feb 24 18:14:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network Card suggestions revisited In-Reply-To: <403B3CBE.6080006@jsoft.com> References: <403ABCC8.1080002@cmosnetworks.com> <403B25A7.4000904@jsoft.com> <1077620939.18279.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <403B3CBE.6080006@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <403BDB1C.4000900@cmosnetworks.com> Gary Frederick wrote: > Good point. > > Timothy Legge wrote: > >>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-January/msg00015.html >>> The response (Thanks) was that it is worth getting a card that is >>> better that the bottom end. The 3Com cards were one of the suggestions. >>> >>> Is there any data on how much better a 3Com or Intel or ? card is >>> than the bottom end? >> >> >> >> I have seen some comparisons lately on Gigabit cards but never on 10/100 >> cards. You have to put this in perspective. Yes, 3Com and Intel cards >> are reported to be somewhat faster and would probably make sense in your >> server. However since a terminal doesn't use the full 100 Mbs anyway >> you may be paying extra for nothing. >> >> Bottomline (IMHO) if you have 3Com cards use them. If you don't, >> consider what you can afford. Sure they are only 10-20 bucks more but >> if you have to buy a lot, you are getting into the price of a terminal >> very quickly. > > > So if a terminal doesn't use all of a 100 Mbs card, I should not use a > more expensive 10/100 OR Gigabit card in them? (Guess what I thought > about doing ;-) ) > > Another reason for using terminals. > > Gary > It can come close. I've seen 72Mb used when running certain apps (e. g. TuxType). But Gig-E in the clients isn't needed. Server, yes, but not client. I go w/ the 3Com cards simply because 1.) they do happen to be pretty decent, 2.) we've already standardized on them and thus have lots of 'em, and 3.) I've been able to get them for $15 if I shop well. I also have a Realtek 8129-based card that works very well in a thin client. --TP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you GNU!? Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when online :-) From norm at turing.une.edu.au Tue Feb 24 18:15:01 2004 From: norm at turing.une.edu.au (Norman Gaywood) Date: Tue Feb 24 18:15:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk In-Reply-To: <403BD9B0.3080907@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20040223162940.90962.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> <403BD9B0.3080907@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20040224231610.GA28575@turing.une.edu.au> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 06:09:36PM -0500, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Jennifer Waters wrote: > >I would like to know where to find a Netatalk build > >that works with Fedora? I tried to start it on my new > >build and it wasn't there. > > > Actually, I would go ahead and compile the source (this is what I do). > This way, you know what you're getting. Once you expand the tarball, > just do > > ./configure > make > make install And then you lose the advantages of package management. And anyway, netatalk is in FC1: fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/netatalk-1.5.5-9.i386.rpm If you setup your yum correctly, you just need to install it: yum install netatalk -- Norman Gaywood, Systems Administrator School of Mathematics, Statistics and Computer Science University of New England, Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia norm at turing.une.edu.au Phone: +61 (0)2 6773 2412 http://turing.une.edu.au/~norm Fax: +61 (0)2 6773 3312 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From dloomis at cox-internet.com Tue Feb 24 19:22:15 2004 From: dloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Tue Feb 24 19:22:15 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Reading NTFS from LiveCDs In-Reply-To: <20040224025826.8307.22374.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040224025826.8307.22374.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1077668645.1548.11.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Re: Corruption of Win2k partitions I had a similar experience with a Win2k box that I booted recently with the latest Slackware LiveCD. It automatically mounted the ntfs share on the harddrive, so I browsed the share from within the Slackware LiveCD to see if it read ok. All seemed fine at the time. I did not copy, move or write any files to the ntfs share. Later, when I booted the Win2k box (which was a recent install BTW), it had an error that could not be repaired with chkdsk /f, Norton Disk Doctor, or anything else. I finally had to reformat and reinstall Win2k to fix the problem. While I suspected the ntfs module in the Slackware LiveCD, I could not prove it was the culprit. Until reading about others having a similar problem with the Knoppix LiveCD I had just written it off as was just one of those oddities that happens sometimes. The reformatted disk has given no further problems. Linux LiveCD distributions may not be "totally" harmless to existing ntfs partitions. Dan Loomis From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Feb 24 19:36:03 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue Feb 24 19:36:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network Card suggestions revisited In-Reply-To: <403BDB1C.4000900@cmosnetworks.com> References: <403ABCC8.1080002@cmosnetworks.com> <403B25A7.4000904@jsoft.com> <1077620939.18279.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <403B3CBE.6080006@jsoft.com> <403BDB1C.4000900@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1077669468.20463.21.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> > It can come close. I've seen 72Mb used when running certain apps (e. g. > TuxType). But Gig-E in the clients isn't needed. Server, yes, but not > client. I go w/ the 3Com cards simply because 1.) they do happen to be > pretty decent, 2.) we've already standardized on them and thus have lots > of 'em, and 3.) I've been able to get them for $15 if I shop well. I > also have a Realtek 8129-based card that works very well in a thin client. If you are really interested, the Realtek 8169 Gigabit card is supported by Etherboot. They are available from about ebay for under $9.50 US Tim From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 19:56:03 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue Feb 24 19:56:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding users with Webmin - primer Message-ID: <022520040057.7182.3165@comcast.net> I have asked this before, but ... Is there a similar batch add for LDAP Users? I am not a perl programmer, and such a capability would be very nice. Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware > Hi folks > > Visit http://links.episd.org/LTSP/ if you are interested in perhaps > using Webmin as your tool to add a large amount of users, or to set up > 25 accounts for faculty/community training. > > In this short tutorial I've added a list that loads as user01, pwd: > mascot01, that could easily be tailored to the mascot of your preference > (find: mascot, replace: cougars (or whatever) in users2.txt file) > > Hope this helps someone out there > > Cheers > Alan A Hodson > Campus Technology Coordinator > El Paso ISD, TX > aahodson at episd.org > -=o=- > > Alan A Hodson MEd. > oF: 915-587-1172 > fX: 915-587-1161 > aahodson at episd.org > http://links.episd.org > Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the > moments that take our breath away > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Tue Feb 24 20:02:04 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Tue Feb 24 20:02:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding users with Webmin - primer In-Reply-To: <022520040057.7182.3165@comcast.net> Message-ID: I used webmin to make regular users on a test machine. Then used erics ldap scripts to generate and populate a ldap DB on the test machine. His scripts generate LDIF files that I then use to import my users on my real ldap server. I know this isn't big on the details but its a quick and dirty explanation. - Jamie On 2/24/04 4:57 PM, "dahopkins at comcast.net" wrote: > I have asked this before, but ... > > Is there a similar batch add for LDAP Users? I am not a perl programmer, and > such a capability would be very nice. > > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > Newark Delaware >> Hi folks >> >> Visit http://links.episd.org/LTSP/ if you are interested in perhaps >> using Webmin as your tool to add a large amount of users, or to set up >> 25 accounts for faculty/community training. >> >> In this short tutorial I've added a list that loads as user01, pwd: >> mascot01, that could easily be tailored to the mascot of your preference >> (find: mascot, replace: cougars (or whatever) in users2.txt file) >> >> Hope this helps someone out there >> >> Cheers >> Alan A Hodson >> Campus Technology Coordinator >> El Paso ISD, TX >> aahodson at episd.org >> -=o=- >> >> Alan A Hodson MEd. >> oF: 915-587-1172 >> fX: 915-587-1161 >> aahodson at episd.org >> http://links.episd.org >> Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the >> moments that take our breath away >> -=o=- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Feb 24 20:24:02 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Feb 24 20:24:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.0.1 released In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFC0@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFC0@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1077672255.2872.68.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 05:45, Henry Hartley wrote: > Question 1: > > How stable is unstable? This is for a lab so an occasional crash > won't be as devistating as if I were running an office on it but still > I cannot have it crashing every half hour. Later posts seem to > indicate it may be too unstable even for a lab, however. Comments? I cannot help with all your questions, but FYI K12LTSP v4.0 has 30 days uptime on my home system. /steve From keboone39 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 24 20:47:01 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Tue Feb 24 20:47:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? Message-ID: fcga socket. >From: Les Mikesell >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] using both CPU's? >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:37:34 -0600 > >On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 14:59, Kevin Boone wrote: > > I added it myself. > > > >If you are lucky, it is just a motherboard jumper >or bios setting to activate it. If you aren't, you >may need a kit from the manufacturer that includes >a voltage regulator for it. Do you happen to >know the motherboard brand/number? Is it a >slot 1 type CPU? > > -Les > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Feb 24 20:53:34 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue Feb 24 20:53:34 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK .... egg on my face. I should have known better... but when you're nervous, you forget to think straight (think of back when we started dating girls...) Well the solution was to restart the dhcpd. The workstation got the wrong ip address and thus did not connect with the lts.conf configuration for the serial ports. So Jim was right - fix the mouse and the keyboard will follow. sorry for the panic. I guess the main thing is that the old lab machines WILL work with LTSP. joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of jam at mcquil.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:16 PM To: LTSP Subject: Re: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working It is probably completely a mouse problem. I've seen many occasions where an incorrectly configured mouse will cause the keyboard to also not work in X windows. Fix the mouse issue, and quite likely, the keyboard will work too. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Joe Guenther wrote: > Help!! > > I am trying to demo the LTSP setup to the computer teacher and principal > .... and of course something does not work. I have a compaq deskpro with > PS/2 mouse and PS/2 keyboard which works fine. > > Another workstation (I hve 22 of these that I wanted to convert to LTSP > terminals) has an AT keyboard - big plug, and serial mouse. The mouse works > in the BIOS setup. The BIOS is set to a non-PnP OS. I can "pause" the boot > at the beginning but then at the X-server login window both keyboard and > mouse are non-existant. > > I am using LTSP 4 > > [ws007] > XSERVER = auto > OR > XSERVER = XF86_S3 (both same result...) > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_MOUSE_BAUD = 1200 > > The rest is according to the defaults in LTSP 4.0 with latest updates. > > thanks for rescuing me > joe > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > LANtech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From keboone39 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 24 21:00:01 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Tue Feb 24 21:00:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP Message-ID: that x server solution is just not affordable at this time. But it would be a perfect solution. but going back to a previous send...if i give the server a static ip with dhcp shutoff...can i execute the k12LINUX environment to take over the win2k client from a unc path. >From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 23:16:23 -0500 > >Eric Feldhusen wrote: > >>Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >> >>>Then consider what I do, which is run a single-NIC K12LTSP server, like >>>My K12LTSP server, you will note, is running in a single-NIC >>>configuration on a switched (Catalyst 3500) network, and the K12LTSP >>>server has Gig-E fiber. A Bay/Nortel 350T or 450T switch w/ the Gig-E >>>interface will work equally well. Since I happen to run the >>>infrastructure, I?m therefore the administrator for DHCP too, so I can >>>add the LTSP stuff to the scope myself. If you?re not so fortunate, then >>>just ask your DHCP admin to add that stuff to the existing DHCP server?s >>>scope. Yes, it does work, and no, you won?t have any DHCP issues. The >>>Windows boxes will simply ignore the TFTP and NFS stuff when the OS >>>boots. With one tweak, this is exactly how I run it, my tweak being that >>>the Cisco 3600 is itself the DHCP server (yep, they can do that). >> >> >>I want to do the same thing, except with a netbsd box being my >>firewall/dhcp server. Are you able to leave the tftp server on the k12ltsp >>box? >> >Can you give us a diagram of what you have in mind? > >--TP >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Do you GNU!? >Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when >online :-) > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 24 21:46:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue Feb 24 21:46:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077677257.9154.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 20:01, Kevin Boone wrote: > that x server solution is just not affordable at this time. But it would > be a perfect solution. > Cygwin X is free and works pretty well: http://www.cygwin.com. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From button at gti.net Tue Feb 24 22:11:05 2004 From: button at gti.net (Daniel Button) Date: Tue Feb 24 22:11:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working In-Reply-To: <20040224225201.6989.17539.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: Jim, I have a similar problem. I have been trying to hook up a touch screen to a client. They error that I get is that it can not find the serial port. I checked and there is not /dev/ttyS[01] listed. I find a lot of other tty devices listed. My first thought that the serial ports were left out of the kernel config. I have not had enough time to research this heavily. I will keep plugging away at though. Any suggestions?? Thanks!! Dan Message: 15 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:15:34 -0500 (EST) From: jam at mcquil.com To: LTSP Subject: Re: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com It is probably completely a mouse problem. I've seen many occasions where an incorrectly configured mouse will cause the keyboard to also not work in X windows. Fix the mouse issue, and quite likely, the keyboard will work too. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Joe Guenther wrote: > Help!! > > I am trying to demo the LTSP setup to the computer teacher and principal > .... and of course something does not work. I have a compaq deskpro with > PS/2 mouse and PS/2 keyboard which works fine. > > Another workstation (I hve 22 of these that I wanted to convert to LTSP > terminals) has an AT keyboard - big plug, and serial mouse. The mouse works > in the BIOS setup. The BIOS is set to a non-PnP OS. I can "pause" the boot > at the beginning but then at the X-server login window both keyboard and > mouse are non-existant. > > I am using LTSP 4 > > [ws007] > XSERVER = auto > OR > XSERVER = XF86_S3 (both same result...) > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_MOUSE_BAUD = 1200 > > The rest is according to the defaults in LTSP 4.0 with latest updates. > > thanks for rescuing me > joe > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > LANtech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Feb 24 22:14:01 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue Feb 24 22:14:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Daniel Button wrote: > Jim, > > I have a similar problem. I have been trying to hook up a touch screen to > a client. They error that I get is that it can not find the serial port. I > checked and there is not /dev/ttyS[01] listed. I find a lot of other tty > devices listed. My first thought that the serial ports were left out of the > kernel config. I have not had enough time to research this heavily. I will > keep plugging away at though. Any suggestions?? Load the serial.o kernel module, the /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS1 device nodes should appear magically. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Thanks!! > > Dan > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:15:34 -0500 (EST) > From: jam at mcquil.com > To: LTSP > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working > Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > > It is probably completely a mouse problem. I've seen many occasions > where an incorrectly configured mouse will cause the keyboard to also > not work in X windows. Fix the mouse issue, and quite likely, the > keyboard will work too. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Joe Guenther wrote: > > > Help!! > > > > I am trying to demo the LTSP setup to the computer teacher and principal > > .... and of course something does not work. I have a compaq deskpro with > > PS/2 mouse and PS/2 keyboard which works fine. > > > > Another workstation (I hve 22 of these that I wanted to convert to LTSP > > terminals) has an AT keyboard - big plug, and serial mouse. The mouse > works > > in the BIOS setup. The BIOS is set to a non-PnP OS. I can "pause" the > boot > > at the beginning but then at the X-server login window both keyboard and > > mouse are non-existant. > > > > I am using LTSP 4 > > > > [ws007] > > XSERVER = auto > > OR > > XSERVER = XF86_S3 (both same result...) > > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50 > > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > > X_MOUSE_BAUD = 1200 > > > > The rest is according to the defaults in LTSP 4.0 with latest updates. > > > > thanks for rescuing me > > joe > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > LANtech - Didsbury > > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 25 02:04:00 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed Feb 25 02:04:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] USB mouse in k12ltsp 3.1.2 In-Reply-To: <04Feb24.234415cet.87093@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Hedblom Daniel wrote: >This very mouse works in k12ltsp4 but i run 3.1.2 in my school. I havent >found out where there is any differences between them but i will use >your tip and see if i can get a clue. I don't have a 3.1.2 box at hand (and it's too late to put any effort into manually extracting packages or read the CHANGELOGs ;-), but IIRC usb is not turned on by default in 3.1.x. Take a look at lts.conf and make sure that the "RCFILE_0? = usb" line is uncommented. Most USB mice work in "ps/2 emulation" mode, but even then they tend to work better in native USB mode. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 25 02:23:01 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed Feb 25 02:23:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] anti-aliased fonts? In-Reply-To: <1077501637.2751.50.camel@gv-rduran.dalair.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Richard Duran wrote: >On the server, XSERVER is set to "auto" in lts.conf:[Default] > >Should this be visible anywhere on the client? > >-richard I just logged into a remote VNC session (should be the same as a terminal) and ran: xdpyinfo | less About the 20 line is the Extentions section "number of extensions..." Mine shows 29 extensions, but I know these three are XFree86 4.x specific: FontCache RANDR RENDER If xdpyinfo reports that you have these extensions, you *should* have anti-aliased fonts. You can also run gnome-font-properties (a.k.a. "start" -> preferences -> font). I've never tried this on a XFree86 3.x terminal, but on XFree86 4.x the changes are visably apparent in real-time. -Eric >On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 14:40, Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Richard Duran wrote: >> >> >Interesting. Running Mozilla on the server displays to the client using >> >anti-aliased fonts. Running Mozilla locally (on the client) displays >> >using non-anti-aliased fonts. >> > >> >Any suggestions? The natives are getting restless.... >> >> Please re-read my previous response: >> >> >On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 14:09, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >> >> Are you using XFree86 v3 or v4 on the terminals? >> >> >> >> If you have the xserver defined as: XSERVER=XF86_, >> >> you are using XFree86 v3. This does not support the nice anti- >> >> aliased fonts. >> >> >> >> If you have the xserver defined as: XSERVER=auto (or svga, or ati, >> >> or some other "lowercase" entry), you are using XFree86 v4. Anti- >> >> aliased fonts should be the default. >> >> >> >> -Eric From nbs at sonic.net Wed Feb 25 02:27:01 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed Feb 25 02:27:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Californians can get $$$ from MS in class action settlement Message-ID: <20040225072852.GA25908@sonic.net> A friend of mine has put together a small page with information on the Microsoft Class Action Settlement, along with an OpenOffice.org script that organizations can use if they want to help spread the word. California consumers can claim $1.1 billion in benefits but they must act before March 15, 2004. http://www.innercite.com/~pmiller/antiTrustBill/AntiTrust.html "Want to make a big difference in your local economy with just a little effort? Join me in reminding California consumers who used Microsoft products between 1995 and 2001 to get up to $100 back without receipts or other verification from the most economically powerful company in the world!" There's a site all about the settlement here, too: http://www.microsoftcalsettlement.com/ -bill! From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 25 02:32:02 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed Feb 25 02:32:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, David Trask wrote: >Go to /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux directory and run the >openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh file....that'll fix your right up! :-) Note that these instructions do not work with K12LTSP 4.0.0. This works fine with K12LTSP 3.1.x. K12LTSP 4.0.1 fixes this bug in 4.0.0. You can run "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" or "yum upgrade" to install the latest packages. If you want to download just this specific bugfix for 4.0.0, you can grab it at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/fedora/RPMS.updates/ltsp_config-0.0.23-k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch.rpm Once updated, David's instructions will fix you right up ;-) -Eric From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Wed Feb 25 02:58:33 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Wed Feb 25 02:58:33 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Apt-conf setup ftp proxy References: Message-ID: <001301c3fb75$6081ca90$42c6dbcb@workstation> Does anybody know the command I put in my apt.conf file to get it ftp to go through a http proxy? Kind Regards From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Feb 25 07:04:02 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed Feb 25 07:04:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403C8FA9.4050507@cmosnetworks.com> Kevin Boone wrote: > that x server solution is just not affordable at this time. But it > would be a perfect solution. > > but going back to a previous send...if i give the server a static ip > with dhcp shutoff...can i execute the k12LINUX environment to take > over the win2k client from a unc path. Do you mean something like having a Win32 executable named, say, "\\myserver\myshare\startk12linux.exe" and running this essentially brings up the K12LTSP environment on the Win2K box? --TP From haysja at sages.us Wed Feb 25 08:35:01 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed Feb 25 08:35:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [K12OSN]yum or apt-get - was: Open Office question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403CA4E4.80104@sages.us> Eric Which is better? yum or apt-get? Also, where are these updating from? Thank you. Eric Harrison wrote: >On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, David Trask wrote: > > > >>Go to /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux directory and run the >>openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh file....that'll fix your right up! :-) >> >> > >Note that these instructions do not work with K12LTSP 4.0.0. This works >fine with K12LTSP 3.1.x. K12LTSP 4.0.1 fixes this bug in 4.0.0. You can >run "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" or "yum upgrade" to install the >latest packages. If you want to download just this specific bugfix for >4.0.0, you can grab it at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/fedora/RPMS.updates/ltsp_config-0.0.23-k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch.rpm > >Once updated, David's instructions will fix you right up ;-) > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Wed Feb 25 08:40:05 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Wed Feb 25 08:40:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Gentoo Message-ID: <1077716241.6762.5.camel@localhost> Hi, Is there anyway to run K12LTSP on Gentoo? Thanks, Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us 1-715-327-4223 From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Feb 25 09:34:02 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed Feb 25 09:34:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.0.1 released Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFCF@remail2.westat.com> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 08:24, Steve Wright wrote: >> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 05:45, Henry Hartley wrote: >> > How stable is unstable? This is for a lab so an occasional >> > crash won't be as devistating as if I were running an office >> > on it but still I cannot have it crashing every half hour. >> > Later posts seem to indicate it may be too unstable even for >> > a lab, however. Comments? >> >> I cannot help with all your questions, but FYI K12LTSP v4.0 has >> 30 days uptime on my home system. And your home system is running an SMP kernel? I know the single processor kernels are stable enough. I've been running them since November. The SMP kernels seem to be seeing widely different up- times, from a half hour up. If you are running SMP, what motherboard / chipset are you using? -- Henry Hartley From jbraumberger at earthlink.net Wed Feb 25 10:10:01 2004 From: jbraumberger at earthlink.net (Jeff Braumberger) Date: Wed Feb 25 10:10:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy server can't connect Message-ID: <000001c3fbb1$9c27e7f0$0301a8c0@ella> Do you mean run the command ldconfig -r /opt/ltsp/i386 in a terminal? I relatively new to networking and Linux. ******************************** Jeff Braumberger 574 Glendale Blvd Mansfield, Oh 44907 jbraumberger at earthlink.net ******************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 25 11:28:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Feb 25 11:28:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.0.1 released In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFCF@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38AFCF@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1077726356.10897.100.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 08:36, Henry Hartley wrote: > >> I cannot help with all your questions, but FYI K12LTSP v4.0 has > >> 30 days uptime on my home system. > > And your home system is running an SMP kernel? I know the single > processor kernels are stable enough. I've been running them since > November. The SMP kernels seem to be seeing widely different up- > times, from a half hour up. If you are running SMP, what > motherboard / chipset are you using? This may also depend on certain activity on the system. The bug reports seem to indicate it has to do with mounting filesystems so people running an automounter (or LTSP clients) may be much more likely to hit the problem. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Feb 25 11:29:00 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed Feb 25 11:29:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Gentoo In-Reply-To: <1077716241.6762.5.camel@localhost> References: <1077716241.6762.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1077726609.5006.1.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 05:37, Justin Paulsen wrote: > Hi, > > Is there anyway to run K12LTSP on Gentoo? run "emerge ltsp" and it will get you most of the way there. I've been tinkering with this for awhile, figuring out what it will take to get something to the level of polish that K12LTSP has. If you are interested in working with me on this, email me off-list and we can discuss specifics some more. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From vceder at canterburyschool.org Wed Feb 25 11:35:04 2004 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Wed Feb 25 11:35:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Gentoo In-Reply-To: <1077726609.5006.1.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> References: <1077716241.6762.5.camel@localhost> <1077726609.5006.1.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <403CCF10.3060004@canterburyschool.org> Actually, it's "emerge ltsp-core", isn't it? Vern Quentin Hartman wrote: > On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 05:37, Justin Paulsen wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>Is there anyway to run K12LTSP on Gentoo? > > > run "emerge ltsp" and it will get you most of the way there. I've been > tinkering with this for awhile, figuring out what it will take to get > something to the level of polish that K12LTSP has. If you are interested > in working with me on this, email me off-list and we can discuss > specifics some more. > -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 25 11:37:33 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Feb 25 11:37:33 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Keeping SME servers updated? Message-ID: <1077726907.10897.111.camel@moola.futuresource.com> This is off-topic but I've seen several people on this list mention that they also use SME servers. Has anyone come up with something as easy as apt-get or yum to keep them up to date? I just noticed some of mine that I had let get out of date in remote locations have been compromised. If you have any that are exposed to the internet through ssh or ftp you need to be up to 5.6 with a bunch of RPM upgrades or the current 6.0. Unfortunately I have made some custom changes that make the normal upgrade procedures painful, especially remotely... --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Feb 25 11:46:02 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed Feb 25 11:46:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Gentoo In-Reply-To: <403CCF10.3060004@canterburyschool.org> References: <1077716241.6762.5.camel@localhost> <1077726609.5006.1.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <403CCF10.3060004@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <1077727596.4999.6.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 08:36, Vern Ceder wrote: > Actually, it's "emerge ltsp-core", isn't it? Indeed, indeed it is. :*) > Vern > > Quentin Hartman wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 05:37, Justin Paulsen wrote: > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>Is there anyway to run K12LTSP on Gentoo? > > > > > > run "emerge ltsp" and it will get you most of the way there. I've been > > tinkering with this for awhile, figuring out what it will take to get > > something to the level of polish that K12LTSP has. If you are interested > > in working with me on this, email me off-list and we can discuss > > specifics some more. > > -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From haysja at sages.us Wed Feb 25 12:02:05 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed Feb 25 12:02:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Keeping SME servers updated? In-Reply-To: <1077726907.10897.111.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1077726907.10897.111.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <403CD539.9030203@sages.us> Les Look at http://tech-geeks.org for more information on this. Mark Drone (mdrone at effingham.net) is our "geek" when it comes to updating SME boxes. Updating the free version is not as easy as the commercial version. (That's why it's free.) It won't be as easy as yum or apt-get, but it won't be overly difficult, either. tech-geeks (We're always thinking so you don't have to.) http://www.tech-geeks.org Les Mikesell wrote: >This is off-topic but I've seen several people on this >list mention that they also use SME servers. Has anyone >come up with something as easy as apt-get or yum to keep >them up to date? I just noticed some of mine that I had >let get out of date in remote locations have been compromised. > >If you have any that are exposed to the internet through >ssh or ftp you need to be up to 5.6 with a bunch of RPM >upgrades or the current 6.0. Unfortunately I have made some >custom changes that make the normal upgrade procedures >painful, especially remotely... > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From haysja at sages.us Wed Feb 25 12:08:09 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed Feb 25 12:08:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Keeping SME servers updated? In-Reply-To: <1077726907.10897.111.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1077726907.10897.111.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <403CD6D6.7060308@sages.us> Try looking here: http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/updates/ Mark has update scripts here. Les Mikesell wrote: >This is off-topic but I've seen several people on this >list mention that they also use SME servers. Has anyone >come up with something as easy as apt-get or yum to keep >them up to date? I just noticed some of mine that I had >let get out of date in remote locations have been compromised. > >If you have any that are exposed to the internet through >ssh or ftp you need to be up to 5.6 with a bunch of RPM >upgrades or the current 6.0. Unfortunately I have made some >custom changes that make the normal upgrade procedures >painful, especially remotely... > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Wed Feb 25 12:24:02 2004 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (Quigg, Dale) Date: Wed Feb 25 12:24:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OT: Keeping SME servers updated? Message-ID: > From: Les Mikesell > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:35:07 -0600 > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Keeping SME servers updated? > This is off-topic but I've seen several people on this > list mention that they also use SME servers. Has anyone > come up with something as easy as apt-get or yum to keep > them up to date? I just noticed some of mine that I had > let get out of date in remote locations have been compromised. > > If you have any that are exposed to the internet through > ssh or ftp you need to be up to 5.6 with a bunch of RPM > upgrades or the current 6.0. Unfortunately I have made some > custom changes that make the normal upgrade procedures > painful, especially remotely... Hi Les, This may be an answer to your question in a round-about manner. I've just (hopefully) completed a ~6 month "journey" trying to figure out a solution to provide a firewall and content filtering for college students at a house where I'm an alumnus. I worked with E-Smith SME, CensorNet, and IP-COP with various add-ons. When I was finally ready to quit because nothing worked quite how I wanted, I remembered reading about ClarkConnect on this list. So far, it has been the exact solution I need. I decided to purchase the $245 bundle of ClarkConnect Office with "SOHO" service. See http://www.clarkconnect.com/info/pricing.html to start. I've only been running a few days at home to make sure the system works as I expect. I have encountered a few glitches, but support has been good so far. The main thing I like is that I feel comfortable that this system will practically "maintain itself" with security updates, blacklists updates, and intrusion updates. If something goes wrong, it's likely that I'll get email from the monitoring services telling what happened. Hope this helps. Dale From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 13:36:00 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed Feb 25 13:36:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Dying drive Message-ID: I'm fighting a server that is returning a massive number of drive errors- Feb 22 10:52:32 adminmrc kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=150470832, sector=150470832 Feb 22 10:52:32 adminmrc kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 150470832 Feb 22 10:52:32 adminmrc kernel: EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,64)): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=9405077, block=18808854 Feb 22 10:52:32 adminmrc kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } The root drive is 100% full and I don't know how to find where all of the space is going. The messages in /var/log are not overly large. The Nvidia drivers are not working with X either anymore. I just want to get logged onto the box as a normal user just once more to be sure that I've gotten everything archived. Any ideas? Thanks _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Wed Feb 25 13:49:04 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed Feb 25 13:49:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] webdav question Message-ID: Apache server 1.3.27 running webdav on a virtual server based on ip. Webdav works great for one user, but if I try and add another location neither works. Here's my config for 1: ServerAdmin scott at hancock.k12.mi.us DocumentRoot /var/www/webdav/html ServerName webdav.hancock.k12.mi.us ErrorLog logs/webdav-error_log CustomLog logs/webdav-access_log common DAVLockDB /var/www/webdav/var/DAVLock DAV On AuthType Basic AuthName "DAV" AuthUserFile /var/www/webdav/var/passwd AllowOverride None Options None Require user scott If I add a similar location entry for another user, neither works anymore. I know I am missing something simple but what? Thanks Scott -- -- Scott Sherrill Technology Coordinator Hancock Public Schools Hancock, MI http://www.hancock.k12.mi.us From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Feb 25 13:49:09 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed Feb 25 13:49:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Dying drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008c01c3fbd1$0718ac60$1803010a@paasda.org> Use a boot disk...and then mount the drive and check for files you want to keep. If run'n squid.../var/log/squid/access.log can get huge =) I was up to 98% before I realized. Or dansguardian logs too if you use that for content filtering... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:37 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Dying drive I'm fighting a server that is returning a massive number of drive errors- Feb 22 10:52:32 adminmrc kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=150470832, sector=150470832 Feb 22 10:52:32 adminmrc kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 150470832 Feb 22 10:52:32 adminmrc kernel: EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,64)): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=9405077, block=18808854 Feb 22 10:52:32 adminmrc kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } The root drive is 100% full and I don't know how to find where all of the space is going. The messages in /var/log are not overly large. The Nvidia drivers are not working with X either anymore. I just want to get logged onto the box as a normal user just once more to be sure that I've gotten everything archived. Any ideas? Thanks _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin .msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bsmoke at bryantschools.org Wed Feb 25 14:29:02 2004 From: bsmoke at bryantschools.org (Barry Smoke) Date: Wed Feb 25 14:29:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] bonding help...sos!!! Message-ID: <403CF7C0.90800@bryantschools.org> well, we experienced some kind of corruption with a stable Dell Poweredge 6650, and in desperation to fix it, we upgraded to Fedora Core1. we thought we had the problems all licked, but at 5:45 this morning, we had a kernel panic. It is now 1:09, and we have finally discovered through trial, and error, that it is indeed our bonding that is causing all of the problems. We have 4 bcm5700's in, and we tried different kernels, all 3 current fedora kernels, a redhat kernel(which wouldn't even find the root filesystem even though it did last week) and even a fedora core2 kernel. We tried bcm5700 drivers from broadcom website, along with bcm5700 from 3com, all gave the same fatal exceptions, or cpu exception, or just a plain old hard freeze. We even saw some tcp.c errors, and kernel assertion errors. Finally we compiled our own, compiled tg3 support into the kernel versus module support. That includes bonding also. No matter if we used a 2.4 kernel, or 2.6, or compiled our own, or used the bcm5700 linux driver... bonding always hosed the system. We can only keep the server up in single eth0 mode, no bonding. we have even read the bonding.txt file in Documentation/networking in the kernel source, and we compiled ifenslave.c ourselves, linked against our new 2.6.3 kernel sourcetree using gcc296 when we try to start bonding, or ifup bond0, we get all kinds of errors. it doesn't matter if we are using the kernel with tg3 compiled in, or not, we get the same errors. such as ifenslave eth0 failed, cannot get speed on eth0, forcing 100 has bonding changed in fedora? the bonding.txt did not reflect any changes in our config scripts(/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts) we have a ifcfg-bond0, with all of the configurations set, then ifcfg-eth0, ifcfg-eth1, ifcfg-eth2 all set as slaves to bond0 I can give more detailed errors after the end of the day, and everyone is off the server again. We are limping along on one nic. Any suggestions are very welcome....even if they include holy water :-) here is our bonding config [root at samba bond]# for i in $(ls); do echo "config file $i:"; cat $i; done config file ifcfg-bond0: DEVICE=bond0 USERCTL=no ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=none BROADCAST=10.10.255.255 NETWORK=10.10.0.0 NETMASK=255.255.0.0 IPADDR=10.10.10.2 GATEWAY=10.10.10.1config file ifcfg-eth0: USERCTL=no BOOTPROTO=none DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes MASTER=bond0 SLAVE=yes config file ifcfg-eth1: USERCTL=no BOOTPROTO=none DEVICE=eth1 ONBOOT=yes MASTER=bond0 SLAVE=yes config file ifcfg-eth2: USERCTL=no BOOTPROTO=none DEVICE=eth2 ONBOOT=yes MASTER=bond0 SLAVE=yes config file ifcfg-eth3: USERCTL=no BOOTPROTO=none DEVICE=eth3 ONBOOT=yes MASTER=bond0 SLAVE=yes here is our modules.conf for 2.4 kernels [root at samba etc]# cat modules.conf alias eth0 tg3 alias eth1 tg3 alias eth2 tg3 alias eth3 tg3 alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx alias scsi_hostadapter1 megaraid alias bond0 bonding #alias bond0 miimon=100 here is modprobe.conf for 2.6 kernels [root at samba etc]# cat modprobe.conf include /etc/modprobe.conf.dist alias eth0 tg3 alias eth1 tg3 alias eth2 tg3 alias eth3 tg3 alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx alias scsi_hostadapter1 megaraid alias bond0 bonding [root at samba etc]# cat modprobe.conf.dist # default modutils aliases alias binfmt-204 binfmt_aout alias binfmt-263 binfmt_aout alias binfmt-264 binfmt_aout alias binfmt-267 binfmt_aout alias binfmt-387 binfmt_aout alias binfmt-332 iBCS alias binfmt--310 binfmt_java alias block-major-1 rd alias block-major-2 floppy alias block-major-3 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-7 loop alias block-major-8 sd_mod alias block-major-9 md alias block-major-11 sr_mod alias block-major-13 xd alias block-major-15 cdu31a alias block-major-16 gscd alias block-major-17 optcd alias block-major-18 sjcd alias block-major-20 mcdx alias block-major-22 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-23 mcd alias block-major-24 sonycd535 alias block-major-25 sbpcd alias block-major-26 sbpcd alias block-major-27 sbpcd alias block-major-29 aztcd alias block-major-32 cm206 alias block-major-33 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-34 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-37 ide-tape alias block-major-44 ftl alias block-major-46 pcd alias block-major-47 pf alias block-major-56 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-57 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-58 lvm-mod alias block-major-88 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-89 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-90 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-91 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-93 nftl alias block-major-97 pg alias block-major-113 viocd alias char-major-4 serial alias char-major-5 serial alias char-major-6 lp alias char-major-9 st alias char-major-10-0 busmouse alias char-major-10-2 msbusmouse alias char-major-10-3 atixlmouse alias char-major-10-130 wdt alias char-major-10-131 wdt alias char-major-10-135 rtc alias char-major-10-139 openprom alias char-major-10-144 nvram alias char-major-10-157 applicom alias char-major-10-175 agpgart alias char-major-10-184 microcode alias char-major-10-200 tun alias char-major-10-250 hci_vhci alias char-major-13 input alias char-major-13-0 joydev alias char-major-13-32 mousedev alias char-major-14 soundcore alias char-major-19 cyclades alias char-major-20 cyclades alias char-major-21 sg alias char-major-22 pcxx alias char-major-23 pcxx alias char-major-27 zftape alias char-major-34 scc alias char-major-35 tclmidi alias char-major-36 netlink alias char-major-37 ide-tape alias char-major-48 riscom8 alias char-major-49 riscom8 alias char-major-57 esp alias char-major-58 esp alias char-major-63 kdebug alias char-major-90 mtdchar alias char-major-96 pt alias char-major-99 ppdev alias char-major-107 3dfx alias char-major-108 ppp_generic alias char-major-109 lvm-mod alias char-major-161 ircomm-tty alias char-major-171 raw1394 alias char-major-195 NVdriver alias char-major-200 vxspec alias char-major-206 osst alias char-major-216 rfcomm alias dos msdos alias dummy0 dummy alias dummy1 dummy alias iso9660 isofs alias md-personality-1 linear alias md-personality-2 raid0 alias md-personality-3 raid1 alias md-personality-4 raid5 alias md-personality-7 multipath alias net-pf-1 unix alias net-pf-2 ipv4 alias net-pf-4 ipx alias net-pf-5 appletalk alias net-pf-15 af_key alias net-pf-17 af_packet alias net-pf-31 bluez alias netalias-2 ip_alias alias irlan0 irlan alias irda-dongle-0 tekram alias irda-dongle-1 esi alias irda-dongle-2 actisys alias irda-dongle-3 actisys alias irda-dongle-4 girbil alias irda-dongle-5 litelink alias irda-dongle-6 airport alias irda-dongle-7 old_belkin alias bt-proto-0 l2cap alias bt-proto-2 sco alias bt-proto-3 rfcomm alias bt-proto-4 bnep alias plip0 plip alias plip1 plip alias tunl0 ipip alias cipcb0 cipcb alias cipcb1 cipcb alias cipcb2 cipcb alias cipcb3 cipcb alias ppp0 ppp alias ppp1 ppp alias slip0 slip alias slip1 slip alias tty-ldisc-1 slip alias tty-ldisc-3 ppp_async alias tty-ldisc-11 irtty alias tty-ldisc-14 ppp_synctty alias tty-ldisc-15 hci_uart alias ppp-compress-18 ppp_mppe alias ppp-compress-21 bsd_comp alias ppp-compress-24 ppp_deflate alias ppp-compress-26 ppp_deflate alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc alias usbdevfs usbcore alias xfrm-type-2-50 esp4 alias xfrm-type-2-51 ah4 alias xfrm-type-2-108 ipcomp alias xfrm-type-10-50 esp6 alias xfrm-type-10-51 ah6 alias xfrm-type-10-108 ipcomp6 alias cipher_null crypto_null alias digest_null crypto_null alias compress_null crypto_null alias sha384 sha512 options sb io=0x220 irq=7 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330 install binfmt-0000 /bin/true install binfmt_misc /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install binfmt_misc && { /bin/mount -t binfmt_misc none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc > /dev/null 2>&1 || :; } install char-major-10 /bin/true install char-major-10-1 /bin/true install dummy0 /sbin/modprobe -o dummy0 --ignore-install dummy install dummy1 /sbin/modprobe -o dummy1 --ignore-install dummy install eth0 /bin/true install hid /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install hid && { /sbin/modprobe keybdev; /sbin/modprobe mousedev; /bin/true; } install net-pf-10 /bin/true install net-pf-19 /bin/true install net-pf-3 /bin/true install net-pf-6 /bin/true install ov518_decomp { /sbin/modprobe ov511; } ; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ov518_decomp install scsi_hostadapter /bin/true install usbmouse /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install usbmouse && { /sbin/modprobe hid; /bin/true; } install wacom /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install wacom && { /sbin/modprobe evdev; /bin/true; } remove binfmt_misc { /bin/umount /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc > /dev/null 2>&1 || :; } ; /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove binfmt_misc remove hid { /sbin/modprobe -r keybdev; /sbin/modprobe -r mousedev; } ; /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove hid remove ov518_decomp /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove ov518_decomp && { /sbin/modprobe -r ov511; /bin/true; } remove usbmouse { /sbin/modprobe -r hid; } ; /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove usbmouse remove wacom { /sbin/modprobe -r evdev; } ; /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove wacom From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Feb 25 15:09:07 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Feb 25 15:09:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] bonding help...sos!!! In-Reply-To: <403CF7C0.90800@bryantschools.org> References: <403CF7C0.90800@bryantschools.org> Message-ID: <1077739856.1494.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 08:30, Barry Smoke wrote: > We have 4 bcm5700's in, and we tried different kernels, all 3 current > fedora kernels I have not had much success with other broadcom gear. I have not used their gb nics. /steve From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 25 16:01:04 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:01:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time Message-ID: <00df01c3fbe2$d3367cd0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> We have a dorm on campus here that has full internet access into rooms 24 hours a day. We had problems with students accessing pornographic sites (this is a high school dorm) so I built a IPCop Router with Dansguardian to accomplish content filtering. Now they are having problems with students surfing the net all night and being too tired for class so they want to limit access to the internet by time of day (Please, no political discussion about why). Does anyone know a way to accomplish this with the existing setup? I would like to totally disable network access after say 10:00PM and say renable at 6:00AM. It is not needed but it would also be awesome to allow the 6 dorm directors access 24 hours a day based off of their IP or MAC address (somewhat of an exclusion list). Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Feb 25 16:10:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:10:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <00df01c3fbe2$d3367cd0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00df01c3fbe2$d3367cd0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <61334.170.211.161.223.1077743548.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Jim Kronebusch said: > We have a dorm on campus here that has full internet access into rooms > 24 hours a day. We had problems with students accessing pornographic > sites (this is a high school dorm) so I built a IPCop Router with > Dansguardian to accomplish content filtering. Now they are having > problems with students surfing the net all night and being too tired for > class so they want to limit access to the internet by time of day > (Please, no political discussion about why). Does anyone know a way to > accomplish this with the existing setup? I would like to totally > disable network access after say 10:00PM and say renable at 6:00AM. It > is not needed but it would also be awesome to allow the 6 dorm directors > access 24 hours a day based off of their IP or MAC address (somewhat of > an exclusion list). This is accomplished via squid. I found this article that hopefully will help you: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/internet_gateway.html -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Feb 25 16:12:04 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:12:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <00df01c3fbe2$d3367cd0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00df01c3fbe2$d3367cd0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1077743628.5469.17.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 13:03, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > We have a dorm on campus here that has full internet access into rooms > 24 hours a day. > Now they are having problems with students surfing the net all night > and being too tired for class so they want to limit access to the > internet by time of day (Please, no political discussion about why). > Does anyone know a way to accomplish this with the existing setup? Cron jobs with appropriate iptables rules would allow this rather easily. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Feb 25 16:13:03 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:13:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <00df01c3fbe2$d3367cd0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>; from jim@winonacotter.org on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:03:26PM -0600 References: <00df01c3fbe2$d3367cd0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20040225161310.A14540@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:03:26PM -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > We have a dorm on campus here that has full internet access into rooms > 24 hours a day. We had problems with students accessing pornographic > sites (this is a high school dorm) so I built a IPCop Router with > Dansguardian to accomplish content filtering. Now they are having > problems with students surfing the net all night and being too tired for > class so they want to limit access to the internet by time of day > (Please, no political discussion about why). Does anyone know a way to > accomplish this with the existing setup? I would like to totally > disable network access after say 10:00PM and say renable at 6:00AM. It > is not needed but it would also be awesome to allow the 6 dorm directors > access 24 hours a day based off of their IP or MAC address (somewhat of > an exclusion list). Run a cron job at 10 Pm and 6PM In the script modify your iptables config to disable port 80 conenctions for certain rainges of local IP addresses Add stuff like this to your iptables : (Lose the #'s) # iptables -A FORWARD -s 217.81.138.0/24 -j LOG --log-prefix "No net for students" # iptables -A FORWARD -s 217.81.138.0/24 -j DROP where 217.81.138 is the prefis to the students Subnet -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz at kinz.org" is copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 25 16:20:07 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:20:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Dying drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077743897.10897.424.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 12:37, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Feb 22 10:52:32 adminmrc kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady > SeekComplete DataRequest Error } > > The root drive is 100% full and I don't know how to find where all of the > space is going. > > The messages in /var/log are not overly large. > > The Nvidia drivers are not working with X either anymore. I just want to > get logged onto the box as a normal user just once more to be sure that I've > gotten everything archived. This is a good use for a knoppix CD because it will boot about anything and set up desktop links to browse the drives. However you should also be able to boot a Fedora/K12ltsp install CD, typing 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt. If it can read enough to recognize the hard drive it will mount it for you and tell you to 'chroot /mnt/sysconfig', after which you have more or less normal access to everything. If you didn't tell it to bring up the network earlier, you can 'ifup eth0' after the chroot to access the network. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com ` From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 25 16:22:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:22:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <20040225161310.A14540@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <00e601c3fbe5$ab75c310$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I have never written a cron job. I am sure I can google for the info but if you have it that would be great. Could you help at all? Do I just type a few lines in a text editor and save as a certain file type then and to some cron file somewhere? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Kinz Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:13 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:03:26PM -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > We have a dorm on campus here that has full internet access into rooms > 24 hours a day. We had problems with students accessing pornographic > sites (this is a high school dorm) so I built a IPCop Router with > Dansguardian to accomplish content filtering. Now they are having > problems with students surfing the net all night and being too tired > for class so they want to limit access to the internet by time of day > (Please, no political discussion about why). Does anyone know a way > to accomplish this with the existing setup? I would like to totally > disable network access after say 10:00PM and say renable at 6:00AM. > It is not needed but it would also be awesome to allow the 6 dorm > directors access 24 hours a day based off of their IP or MAC address > (somewhat of an exclusion list). Run a cron job at 10 Pm and 6PM In the script modify your iptables config to disable port 80 conenctions for certain rainges of local IP addresses Add stuff like this to your iptables : (Lose the #'s) # iptables -A FORWARD -s 217.81.138.0/24 -j LOG --log-prefix "No net for students" # iptables -A FORWARD -s 217.81.138.0/24 -j DROP where 217.81.138 is the prefis to the students Subnet -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz at kinz.org" is copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Feb 25 16:25:06 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:25:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <00e601c3fbe5$ab75c310$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00e601c3fbe5$ab75c310$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1077744423.5469.20.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 13:23, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have never written a cron job. I am sure I can google for the info > but if you have it that would be great. Could you help at all? Do I > just type a few lines in a text editor and save as a certain file type > then and to some cron file somewhere? "man crontab" and "man 5 crontab" at a command line will be pretty much the best resources on the subject. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 25 16:28:22 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:28:22 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <1077744423.5469.20.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <00e701c3fbe6$96142ba0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I will pursue this option as it sounds like it will use my existing setup, if it doesn't do what I need I'll check into Squid. Thanks guys -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Quentin Hartman Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:27 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 13:23, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have never written a cron job. I am sure I can google for the info > but if you have it that would be great. Could you help at all? Do I > just type a few lines in a text editor and save as a certain file type > then and to some cron file somewhere? "man crontab" and "man 5 crontab" at a command line will be pretty much the best resources on the subject. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Feb 25 16:34:01 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:34:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <00e701c3fbe6$96142ba0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>; from jim@winonacotter.org on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:30:22PM -0600 References: <1077744423.5469.20.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <00e701c3fbe6$96142ba0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20040225163405.B14540@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:30:22PM -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I will pursue this option as it sounds like it will use my existing > setup, if it doesn't do what I need I'll check into Squid. > > Thanks guys > Jim - I didn't know squid could be configured to be time aware. Since it has that capability I want to change my vote. :-) If you are already using Squid, then I think you would be better off to use its capabilities to manage your students acces by time of day. For cron, some distros havea gui tool for adding cron jobs to the system. -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz at kinz.org" is copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 25 16:40:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:40:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <20040225163405.B14540@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <00e801c3fbe8$3b2f83e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I am currently using IPCop and Dansguardian for the routing and content filtering. I was hoping for an easy way to add time based filtering to this setup. I would like to not have to scrap what I just set up and move to squid, but I will if I have too. Since IPCop is in a sense its own distro I am not sure what tools are bundled with it. Your suggestion was the closest to fixing what I currently have but for my knowledge cron may not be as "easy" as I hoped. ----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Kinz Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:34 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:30:22PM -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I will pursue this option as it sounds like it will use my existing > setup, if it doesn't do what I need I'll check into Squid. > > Thanks guys > Jim - I didn't know squid could be configured to be time aware. Since it has that capability I want to change my vote. :-) If you are already using Squid, then I think you would be better off to use its capabilities to manage your students acces by time of day. For cron, some distros havea gui tool for adding cron jobs to the system. -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz at kinz.org" is copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Feb 25 16:45:07 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:45:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <20040225163405.B14540@redline.comcast.net> References: <1077744423.5469.20.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <00e701c3fbe6$96142ba0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <20040225163405.B14540@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1077745590.7316.6.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 10:34, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:30:22PM -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I will pursue this option as it sounds like it will use my existing > > setup, if it doesn't do what I need I'll check into Squid. > > > > Thanks guys > > > Jim - I didn't know squid could be configured to be time aware. Since > it has that capability I want to change my vote. :-) trust me, it will be easier to write a cron job than hack squid to suit, although squid is probably the 'proper' way to do it. You users will get a rather terse reply from squid when they hit their timelimit, while the iptables+cron solution - their access will simply stop working. (you might change sq to reply with "good-night boys and girls ;;;-) > If you are already using Squid, then I think you would be better off to > use its capabilities to manage your students acces by time of day. I would agree.. however squid.conf is rather unforgiving... /steve From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Feb 25 16:46:04 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:46:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <00e801c3fbe8$3b2f83e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <20040225163405.B14540@redline.comcast.net> <00e801c3fbe8$3b2f83e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <63866.170.211.161.223.1077745745.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Jim Kronebusch said: > I am currently using IPCop and Dansguardian for the routing and content > filtering. I was hoping for an easy way to add time based filtering to > this setup. I would like to not have to scrap what I just set up and > move to squid, but I will if I have too. Since IPCop is in a sense its > own distro I am not sure what tools are bundled with it. Isn't ipcop a spinoff of smoothwall? Which includes squid? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Feb 25 16:53:03 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:53:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <00e801c3fbe8$3b2f83e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00e801c3fbe8$3b2f83e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1077746010.7316.14.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 10:42, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am currently using IPCop and Dansguardian for the routing and content > filtering. I was hoping for an easy way to add time based filtering to > this setup. I would like to not have to scrap what I just set up and > move to squid, but I will if I have too. Since IPCop is in a sense its > own distro I am not sure what tools are bundled with it. > > Your suggestion was the closest to fixing what I currently have but for > my knowledge cron may not be as "easy" as I hoped. Don't worry about cron - it's easy.. in /etc/crontab add an entry like ; # run net-down.sh script at 10pm weekdays 0 22 * * 1-5 /sbin/net-down.sh # reload it every morning 0 6 * * * /sbin/net-up.sh then make your scripts called net-down.sh and net-up.sh, chmod 755 them, and biff them in /sbin Please note, this is off the top of my head... debug first! /steve From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Feb 25 16:53:19 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:53:19 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <63866.170.211.161.223.1077745745.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> References: <20040225163405.B14540@redline.comcast.net> <00e801c3fbe8$3b2f83e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <63866.170.211.161.223.1077745745.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1077746098.7316.17.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 10:49, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Jim Kronebusch said: > > I am currently using IPCop and Dansguardian for the routing and content > > filtering. I was hoping for an easy way to add time based filtering to > > this setup. I would like to not have to scrap what I just set up and > > move to squid, but I will if I have too. Since IPCop is in a sense its > > own distro I am not sure what tools are bundled with it. > > Isn't ipcop a spinoff of smoothwall? Which includes squid? yes, but the people who wrote smoothwall have proven to be rather mean individuals.. which is one of the reasons why it was forked. /sw From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 25 16:55:35 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:55:35 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <63866.170.211.161.223.1077745745.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <00ea01c3fbea$58bff500$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I actually found this at IPCop's website: ---------------------------------------------------------- Can I disable the internet connection from 11pm to 6am? Add a cron job to do this. The following will stop all internet interface traffic from 11pm to 6 am. You can either use the entire ruleset, or eliminate the ones you don't use, ie, if you don't have a modem, leave out the modem lines, and vice versa. Using them all will not hurt anything. 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethout 1 -i eth1 -j DENY 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethin 1 -i eth1 -j DENY 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I mdmout 1 -i ppp0 -j DENY 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I mdmin 1 -i ppp0 -j DENY 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D ethout 1 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D ethin 1 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D mdmout 1 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D mdmin 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Would I just add the first two lines of these sections to crontab? I will give it a shot. I was thinking I could put the dorm staff on the Orange network, and the students on the Green network, then just disable the green. Opinions.... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:49 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time Jim Kronebusch said: > I am currently using IPCop and Dansguardian for the routing and > content filtering. I was hoping for an easy way to add time based > filtering to this setup. I would like to not have to scrap what I > just set up and move to squid, but I will if I have too. Since IPCop > is in a sense its own distro I am not sure what tools are bundled with > it. Isn't ipcop a spinoff of smoothwall? Which includes squid? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Feb 25 16:56:16 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:56:16 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <1077746098.7316.17.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <20040225163405.B14540@redline.comcast.net> <00e801c3fbe8$3b2f83e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <63866.170.211.161.223.1077745745.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <1077746098.7316.17.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <64597.170.211.161.223.1077746318.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> >> Isn't ipcop a spinoff of smoothwall? Which includes squid? > > yes, but the people who wrote smoothwall have proven to be rather mean > individuals.. which is one of the reasons why it was forked. > > /sw Ok....but my point was does ipcop include squid? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Feb 25 17:28:01 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed Feb 25 17:28:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <00ea01c3fbea$58bff500$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>; from jim@winonacotter.org on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:57:17PM -0600 References: <63866.170.211.161.223.1077745745.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <00ea01c3fbea$58bff500$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20040225172808.C14540@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:57:17PM -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I actually found this at IPCop's website: > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Can I disable the internet connection from 11pm to 6am? > Add a cron job to do this. The following will stop all internet > interface traffic from 11pm to 6 am. You can either use the entire > ruleset, or eliminate the ones you don't use, ie, if you don't have a > modem, leave out the modem lines, and vice versa. Using them all will > not hurt anything. > > 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethout 1 -i eth1 -j DENY > 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethin 1 -i eth1 -j DENY > 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I mdmout 1 -i ppp0 -j DENY > 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I mdmin 1 -i ppp0 -j DENY > > > 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D ethout 1 > 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D ethin 1 > 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D mdmout 1 > 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D mdmin 1 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Would I just add the first two lines of these sections to crontab? I > will give it a shot. I was thinking I could put the dorm staff on the > Orange network, and the students on the Green network, then just disable > the green. Opinions.... It looks very promising. I didn't realize that IpCop used ipchains as iptables has generally replaced it. But anywho... As long as your interfaces are named the same as the way they are named in these samples it should work. I do like your idea about using separate networks for students and staff. that will let your staff come to class bleary eyed if they so choose... :-) -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz at kinz.org" is copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. From bsmoke at bryantschools.org Wed Feb 25 17:35:02 2004 From: bsmoke at bryantschools.org (Barry Smoke) Date: Wed Feb 25 17:35:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] bonding help...sos!!! In-Reply-To: <1077739856.1494.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <403CF7C0.90800@bryantschools.org> <1077739856.1494.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <403D22FB.70107@bryantschools.org> Steve Wright wrote: >On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 08:30, Barry Smoke wrote: > > > >>We have 4 bcm5700's in, and we tried different kernels, all 3 current >>fedora kernels >> >> > > >I have not had much success with other broadcom gear. I have not used >their gb nics. > > >/steve > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > you are right....we put in 3 acenics(3com sx fiber nics) and everything is fine... anyone want 3 broadcoms :-) From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Feb 25 18:33:01 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed Feb 25 18:33:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <1077745590.7316.6.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1077744423.5469.20.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <00e701c3fbe6$96142ba0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <20040225163405.B14540@redline.comcast.net> <1077745590.7316.6.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1077752064.5469.31.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 02:46, Steve Wright wrote: > trust me, it will be easier to write a cron job than hack squid to suit, > although squid is probably the 'proper' way to do it. You users will > get a rather terse reply from squid when they hit their timelimit, while > the iptables+cron solution - their access will simply stop working. > (you might change sq to reply with "good-night boys and girls ;;;-) In addition to turning off internet access with the cron job, you can also make it add a firewall rule that redirects all attempts at web access to a local http server serving up a simple "go to bed!" page. It would be similar in theory to the redirects used to setup transparent squid proxies and whatnot. That would make it seem more official and friendly rather than having web access just suddenly disappear. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From colprep at biz.videotron.ca Wed Feb 25 18:39:01 2004 From: colprep at biz.videotron.ca (rob focus) Date: Wed Feb 25 18:39:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Limit Network Access by time Message-ID: <1077752417.29525.39.camel@nikon> another way is to add an iptables rule blocking the red interface(external) and toggle it on/off using crontab. -- #crontab -e (on one line) 0 22 * * * /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -s 192.168.1.0 -j REJECT 0 6 * * * /sbin/iptables -D CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -s 192.168.1.0 -j REJECT -- or Block everything except the above network by replacing REJECT with ACCEPT and adding -A CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -j REJECT , first. if your directors are on the same network use a subnet mask to limit the ip's to the addresses you want to block. http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200305/200305.htm#_Blocking_a_Subnet http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/crontab.1.asp robert From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Feb 25 18:48:02 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed Feb 25 18:48:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome startup programs Message-ID: <41398.10.129.0.28.1077753127.squirrel@webmail> I'm having decidedly mixed results getting a program to start consistently from the Gnome Session panel's "Startup Programs" tab. The program is a shell script which creates a new Phoenix (Firebird/Firefox/Mozilla/whatever) profile and starts Phoenix with it. This is for a kiosk-style setup. The script called from Startup Programs is something like: sh /opt/vanguard/vanguard_start.sh -CreateProfile vanguard; sh /opt/vanguard/vanguard_start.sh -P vanguard -chrome \ chrome://vanguard/content/ & The /opt/vanguard/vanguard_start.sh script is nominally similar to the /usr/bin/mozilla script, i.e. it "will set up all of the environment voodoo needed to make mozilla work." As is, it only starts the browser maybe 1 out of 3 logins. Any thoughts? -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Feb 25 19:35:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed Feb 25 19:35:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <20040225193655.29096673.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Hello all, I have been experimenting with some old Apple PowerMac 5500 machines, and running them as "fat clients" to access my LTSP server. They have yellowdog 3.0.1 installed, and automatically start an X session with the -query flag... It works well, except that when running mozilla, flash sites cause mozilla to die (no error windows, just dies). I seem to remember this being a problem before with older i386 hardware running as clients... but I dont' remember what the problem was... maybe RAM in the system? I have: 32MB System RAM on the Mac 384MB Swap on the Mac A P133 with only 16MB of ram booted right next to it handles the flash fine... Does the flash somehow clash with the PPC processor that is running the X process? I don't see how this setup is different than when I run X -query from my OSX machine... I think flash works then just fine. Any ideas? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From towsons at marist.ac.jp Wed Feb 25 21:04:02 2004 From: towsons at marist.ac.jp (towsons at marist.ac.jp) Date: Wed Feb 25 21:04:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Memory Message-ID: <50483.211.120.189.158.1077761122.squirrel@webmail.marist.ac.jp> HI - we use a lab full of Compaq Deskpro 4000 5200MX - all with crapster modified S3 cards, they need the Xfree 3 driver XF86_S3V and they work OK, but there is some lag and distortion, especially when scrolling documents. Will replacing these 1MB wonders with nice 32MB PCI Nvidia GE Force cards increase performance of the terminals? From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Feb 25 21:48:03 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed Feb 25 21:48:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI In-Reply-To: <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> References: <1077131920.4702.27.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <1077763735.4078.22.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 22:46, Chris Kacoroski wrote: > This may be a bit late, but I have ordered a server with 2TB of SATA > drives hooked into a single 3ware card. I will run some tests when I > get it (should be a few weeks) and post them. I am running three servers all using same Intel865 motherboard (if it makes any difference - two of the with 2 gig RAM and one with 1.5 gig) The result of hdparm are below. I could not make out why variation in timing for /dev/mdo and /dev/md1 made across the same two scsi drives in second server. Nor could I make out the difference in timings returned from IDE drives on third server as both are of the same specs. What can I make out of all this? In future what combination to recommend? I feel for cost effectiveness SATA drives may be actually the best. Comments? Timing from $hdparm -tT: Server one: One SATA drive /dev/hda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.28 seconds =457.14 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.68 seconds = 38.10 MB/sec Server two: Two SCSI drives in raid0 array /dev/md0: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.24 seconds =533.33 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.33 seconds = 48.12 MB/sec /dev/md1: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.24 seconds =533.33 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 0.62 seconds = 103.23 MB/sec /dev/sda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.23 seconds =556.52 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 0.99 seconds = 64.65 MB/sec /dev/sdb: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.24 seconds =556.52 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 0.97 seconds = 65.98 MB/sec Server three: Two IDE drives in raid0 array /dev/md0: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.54 seconds =237.04 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.65 seconds = 38.79 MB/sec /dev/md1: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.53 seconds =241.51 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.63 seconds = 39.26 MB/sec /dev/hda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.56 seconds =228.57 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.23 seconds = 52.03 MB/sec /dev/hdc: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.58 seconds =220.69 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.26 seconds = 28.32 MB/sec -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Feb 25 22:00:04 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed Feb 25 22:00:04 2004 Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] Re: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI In-Reply-To: <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> References: <1077131920.4702.27.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <1077763735.4078.22.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 22:46, Chris Kacoroski wrote: > This may be a bit late, but I have ordered a server with 2TB of SATA > drives hooked into a single 3ware card. I will run some tests when I > get it (should be a few weeks) and post them. I am running three servers all using same Intel865 motherboard (if it makes any difference - two of the with 2 gig RAM and one with 1.5 gig) The result of hdparm are below. I could not make out why variation in timing for /dev/mdo and /dev/md1 made across the same two scsi drives in second server. Nor could I make out the difference in timings returned from IDE drives on third server as both are of the same specs. What can I make out of all this? In future what combination to recommend? I feel for cost effectiveness SATA drives may be actually the best. Comments? Timing from $hdparm -tT: Server one: One SATA drive /dev/hda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.28 seconds =457.14 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.68 seconds = 38.10 MB/sec Server two: Two SCSI drives in raid0 array /dev/md0: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.24 seconds =533.33 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.33 seconds = 48.12 MB/sec /dev/md1: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.24 seconds =533.33 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 0.62 seconds = 103.23 MB/sec /dev/sda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.23 seconds =556.52 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 0.99 seconds = 64.65 MB/sec /dev/sdb: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.24 seconds =556.52 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 0.97 seconds = 65.98 MB/sec Server three: Two IDE drives in raid0 array /dev/md0: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.54 seconds =237.04 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.65 seconds = 38.79 MB/sec /dev/md1: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.53 seconds =241.51 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.63 seconds = 39.26 MB/sec /dev/hda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.56 seconds =228.57 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.23 seconds = 52.03 MB/sec /dev/hdc: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.58 seconds =220.69 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.26 seconds = 28.32 MB/sec -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps & Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356&alloc_id=3438&op=click _____________________________________________________________________ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net From herrold at owlriver.com Thu Feb 26 00:05:41 2004 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Thu Feb 26 00:05:41 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: k12osn] Milter for outgoing BCC? In-Reply-To: References: <403A13F1.3030300@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Jim Wildman wrote: > Try synonym. From freshmeat. > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > > Does anyone have a good, reliable way (I'm assuming a sendmail milter of > > some sort) for copying all outgoing mail into a standard mbox file? I ... and packaged at: ftp://ftp.owlriver.com/pub/local/ORC/synonym/ As an added benefit, it has a braindead simple configuartion syntax -- Russ Herrold From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 26 06:49:05 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu Feb 26 06:49:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <200402261053.i1QArwa08931@downeast.net> shawn...must be something in XF86config...like dri maybe that changes the way your local x works??juat a guess..can you compare local and foreign XF86Configs..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 26 06:50:02 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu Feb 26 06:50:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <200402261055.i1QAt0a09026@downeast.net> shawn...must be something in XF86config...like dri maybe that changes the way your local x works??juat a guess..can you compare local and foreign XF86Configs..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From will.scurrell at bcuc.ac.uk Thu Feb 26 06:54:02 2004 From: will.scurrell at bcuc.ac.uk (Will Scurrell) Date: Thu Feb 26 06:54:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <20040225193655.29096673.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200402261155.LAA22382@deborah.buckscol.ac.uk> To my knowledge there isn't a Macromedia Flash player for PPC architecture machines running Linux. What flash player are you using? Will -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: 26 February 2004 00:37 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Hello all, I have been experimenting with some old Apple PowerMac 5500 machines, and running them as "fat clients" to access my LTSP server. They have yellowdog 3.0.1 installed, and automatically start an X session with the -query flag... It works well, except that when running mozilla, flash sites cause mozilla to die (no error windows, just dies). I seem to remember this being a problem before with older i386 hardware running as clients... but I dont' remember what the problem was... maybe RAM in the system? I have: 32MB System RAM on the Mac 384MB Swap on the Mac A P133 with only 16MB of ram booted right next to it handles the flash fine... Does the flash somehow clash with the PPC processor that is running the X process? I don't see how this setup is different than when I run X -query from my OSX machine... I think flash works then just fine. Any ideas? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From pbenson at ffni.com Thu Feb 26 07:24:02 2004 From: pbenson at ffni.com (Phil Benson) Date: Thu Feb 26 07:24:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <00ea01c3fbea$58bff500$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Another way to do this is to just remove the gateway from the machine and then bring the gateway back with a cron job. #down internet connection at 9:00 PM CST 00 21 * * 0,1,2,3,4 /sbin/route del default gw 192.168.1.1 #Bring up internet connection at 6:00 AM CST 0 6 * * 0,1,2,3,4,5 /sbin/route add default gw 192.168.1.1 Phil Benson Embroidery Nation http://www.embroiderynation.com/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:57 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time I actually found this at IPCop's website: ---------------------------------------------------------- Can I disable the internet connection from 11pm to 6am? Add a cron job to do this. The following will stop all internet interface traffic from 11pm to 6 am. You can either use the entire ruleset, or eliminate the ones you don't use, ie, if you don't have a modem, leave out the modem lines, and vice versa. Using them all will not hurt anything. 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethout 1 -i eth1 -j DENY 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethin 1 -i eth1 -j DENY 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I mdmout 1 -i ppp0 -j DENY 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I mdmin 1 -i ppp0 -j DENY 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D ethout 1 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D ethin 1 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D mdmout 1 0 6 * * * /sbin/ipchains -D mdmin 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Would I just add the first two lines of these sections to crontab? I will give it a shot. I was thinking I could put the dorm staff on the Orange network, and the students on the Green network, then just disable the green. Opinions.... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:49 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time Jim Kronebusch said: > I am currently using IPCop and Dansguardian for the routing and > content filtering. I was hoping for an easy way to add time based > filtering to this setup. I would like to not have to scrap what I > just set up and move to squid, but I will if I have too. Since IPCop > is in a sense its own distro I am not sure what tools are bundled with > it. Isn't ipcop a spinoff of smoothwall? Which includes squid? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From k12ltsp at hermon.net Thu Feb 26 08:07:32 2004 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Thu Feb 26 08:07:32 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Auto-Login Doesn't Work Message-ID: Hi everyone! I ws wondering if someone could help me. I'm probably missiong something very simple, and just don't see it! :-[ I edited the /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc file and added the following entry for terminal ws206. [X-ws206:0-Core] AutoLoginEnable=true AutoLoginUser=room4b Simple enough.. that's supposed to log terminal ws206 automatically into the account room4b, but it doesn't work! Help! I got the instructions from the ltsp website. http://204.182.52.180/fom-serve/cache/4.html (The link references /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc but it point to the same location as my previous path above) When I try this, nothing happens. The terminal boots up normally. We are using distribution 3.1.2 Thank You!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." Webmaster of http://www.brittany-snow.com The Official Website for the actress Brittany Snow on NBC's American Dreams ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Thu Feb 26 08:37:10 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu Feb 26 08:37:10 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Auto-Login Doesn't Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An off chance, but are you sure the ip is resolving to ws206? Try putting the ip in instead. ex: [X-10.1.7.55:0-Core] Otherwise there isn't much else but making sure you are running kdm instead of gdm..... http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AutoLogin Scott >Hi everyone! I ws wondering if someone could help me. I'm probably >missiong something very simple, and just don't see it! :-[ > >I edited the /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc file and added the following entry for >terminal ws206. > >[X-ws206:0-Core] >AutoLoginEnable=true >AutoLoginUser=room4b > >Simple enough.. that's supposed to log terminal ws206 automatically into >the account room4b, but it doesn't work! Help! I got the instructions from >the ltsp website. > >http://204.182.52.180/fom-serve/cache/4.html > >(The link references /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc but it point to the same location >as my previous path above) > >When I try this, nothing happens. The terminal boots up normally. > >We are using distribution 3.1.2 > >Thank You!!! > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Alan Owen >Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) >Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department >"Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." > >Webmaster of http://www.brittany-snow.com >The Official Website for the actress Brittany Snow on NBC's American Dreams >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 26 08:52:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu Feb 26 08:52:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <20040225193655.29096673.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <001201c3fc6f$f85bc8c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Shawn, how did you load the 5500's? Did you do a minimal installation? What script did you use to automatically start X with the -query? This doesn't help you much, but it sure would help me get my 5500's running :-) I can get Yellow Dog loaded but don't know how to get X to start automatically, right now I have to manually run it. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:37 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Hello all, I have been experimenting with some old Apple PowerMac 5500 machines, and running them as "fat clients" to access my LTSP server. They have yellowdog 3.0.1 installed, and automatically start an X session with the -query flag... It works well, except that when running mozilla, flash sites cause mozilla to die (no error windows, just dies). I seem to remember this being a problem before with older i386 hardware running as clients... but I dont' remember what the problem was... maybe RAM in the system? I have: 32MB System RAM on the Mac 384MB Swap on the Mac A P133 with only 16MB of ram booted right next to it handles the flash fine... Does the flash somehow clash with the PPC processor that is running the X process? I don't see how this setup is different than when I run X -query from my OSX machine... I think flash works then just fine. Any ideas? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 26 08:53:00 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu Feb 26 08:53:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <1077752417.29525.39.camel@nikon> Message-ID: <001301c3fc70$1c04d000$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks everyone, I think I have more than enough suggestions to achieve what I want. This list is awesome. Thanks again. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of rob focus Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:40 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Limit Network Access by time another way is to add an iptables rule blocking the red interface(external) and toggle it on/off using crontab. -- #crontab -e (on one line) 0 22 * * * /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -s 192.168.1.0 -j REJECT 0 6 * * * /sbin/iptables -D CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -s 192.168.1.0 -j REJECT -- or Block everything except the above network by replacing REJECT with ACCEPT and adding -A CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -j REJECT , first. if your directors are on the same network use a subnet mask to limit the ip's to the addresses you want to block. http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200305/200305.htm#_Blocking_a_Subnet http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/crontab.1.asp robert _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Feb 26 09:10:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu Feb 26 09:10:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <001201c3fc6f$f85bc8c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001201c3fc6f$f85bc8c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <403DFE7F.5080107@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Shawn, how did you load the 5500's? Did you do a minimal installation? > What script did you use to automatically start X with the -query? Hey Jim -- I haven't elaborated much to the list because it's not "perfect" yet -- but here's what I did to get things automagic: get yellowdog working. make sure yellowdog can start X. edit /etc/inittab, and: Look for the bottom where it mentions "respawn" the prefdm process... Change that line, so that the "respawned" process is: /usr/X11R6/X -query 192.168.0.254 And it works for me. Note that accessing the local machine seems nigh on impossible once the X -query is started though, and you need to pass the kernel arguement "init 3" to change local settings. (Or SSH in from remotely) If the instructions aren't clear, I can go get the actual file changes made, but hopefully you'll be able to figure out what I meant. :) I will wiki the issue once I get it smooth. I looked again at Chuck's setup, and it's just too much for me, with a separate PPC tree, etc. Installing yellowdog and a local X install was fairly painless, although I realize it adds more points of failure to the system. BTW, Chuck -- thanks for the pointer to the dri stuff, I'll take a look. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From petre at maltzen.net Thu Feb 26 09:18:05 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu Feb 26 09:18:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome startup programs In-Reply-To: <41398.10.129.0.28.1077753127.squirrel@webmail> References: <41398.10.129.0.28.1077753127.squirrel@webmail> Message-ID: <403E00A8.90907@maltzen.net> Do you think the problem is with gnome startup or with the vanguard_start.sh script? In other words, what happens if you have an icon on the desktop or menu or wherever, that calls your script? Does the browser launch consistently? If not, then it sounds like something is amiss with the script. Likewise, if you put, say, the/usr/bin/mozilla script into gnome's Startup Programs tab, does it work consistently? How about a script that launches, say, xclock or something else really simple? If not, then the problem sounds gnome-related. So, it's not clear to me, yet, exactly where the problem is. Or perhaps you've already determined that the vanguard_start.sh script is okay, and the failure is always with gnome launching it on startup? Petre Dan Young wrote: > I'm having decidedly mixed results getting a program to start > consistently from the Gnome Session panel's "Startup Programs" tab. The > program is a shell script which creates a new Phoenix > (Firebird/Firefox/Mozilla/whatever) profile and starts Phoenix with it. > This is for a kiosk-style setup. The script called from Startup Programs > is something like: > > sh /opt/vanguard/vanguard_start.sh -CreateProfile vanguard; > sh /opt/vanguard/vanguard_start.sh -P vanguard -chrome \ > chrome://vanguard/content/ & > > The /opt/vanguard/vanguard_start.sh script is nominally similar to the > /usr/bin/mozilla script, i.e. it "will set up all of the environment > voodoo needed to make mozilla work." > > As is, it only starts the browser maybe 1 out of 3 logins. Any thoughts? > > -Dan Young > -Parkrose School District > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 26 09:20:03 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu Feb 26 09:20:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <403DFE7F.5080107@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <001401c3fc73$fb3c0880$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks that will help. I will probably try it today or tomorrow. I really have no desire to access the local machine on these older macs so this should work. Chucks option is a little beyond my knowledge as well. This looks like the closest option to an easy install as I have seen yet. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:11 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com; jim at winonacotter.org Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Shawn, how did you load the 5500's? Did you do a minimal > installation? What script did you use to automatically start X with > the -query? Hey Jim -- I haven't elaborated much to the list because it's not "perfect" yet -- but here's what I did to get things automagic: get yellowdog working. make sure yellowdog can start X. edit /etc/inittab, and: Look for the bottom where it mentions "respawn" the prefdm process... Change that line, so that the "respawned" process is: /usr/X11R6/X -query 192.168.0.254 And it works for me. Note that accessing the local machine seems nigh on impossible once the X -query is started though, and you need to pass the kernel arguement "init 3" to change local settings. (Or SSH in from remotely) If the instructions aren't clear, I can go get the actual file changes made, but hopefully you'll be able to figure out what I meant. :) I will wiki the issue once I get it smooth. I looked again at Chuck's setup, and it's just too much for me, with a separate PPC tree, etc. Installing yellowdog and a local X install was fairly painless, although I realize it adds more points of failure to the system. BTW, Chuck -- thanks for the pointer to the dri stuff, I'll take a look. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From k12ltsp at hermon.net Thu Feb 26 09:41:01 2004 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Thu Feb 26 09:41:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Auto-Login Doesn't Work Message-ID: k12osn at redhat.com writes: >An off chance, but are you sure the ip is resolving to ws206? Try >putting the ip in instead. > >ex: >[X-10.1.7.55:0-Core] > >Otherwise there isn't much else but making sure you are running kdm >instead of gdm..... Hi! Thank you for the response! Yes, I am sure the IP is resolving correctly. I tailed the /var/log/messages log and got the IP and pinged the hostname, and it worked. In reference to the kdm and gdm.. do you mean KDE Display Manager? (In reference to the steps below) Will the modification affect all the terminals, or just the one I added to the kdmrc? Edit the following File: /etc/sysconfig/desktop DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" DESKTOP="KDE" Thanks again!! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Feb 26 09:55:01 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu Feb 26 09:55:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Auto-Login Doesn't Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: k12osn at redhat.com writes: >In reference to the kdm and gdm.. do you mean KDE Display Manager? (In >reference to the steps below) Will the modification affect all the >terminals, or just the one I added to the kdmrc? >Edit the following File: /etc/sysconfig/desktop >DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" >DESKTOP="KDE" Are you using GDM on the server now for all the terminals? Changing to KDM is a global change (using step above)....I prefer KDM, but am forced to use GDM due to a video issue on some older video cards....hope to replace them in a bit and solve that issue....how's things in Hermon? I'm in Vassalboro......Maine..... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Thu Feb 26 09:59:02 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu Feb 26 09:59:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Auto-Login Doesn't Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >k12osn at redhat.com writes: >>An off chance, but are you sure the ip is resolving to ws206? Try >>putting the ip in instead. >> >>ex: >>[X-10.1.7.55:0-Core] >> >>Otherwise there isn't much else but making sure you are running kdm >>instead of gdm..... > >Hi! Thank you for the response! > >Yes, I am sure the IP is resolving correctly. I tailed the >/var/log/messages log and got the IP and pinged the hostname, and it >worked. > >In reference to the kdm and gdm.. do you mean KDE Display Manager? (In >reference to the steps below) Will the modification affect all the >terminals, or just the one I added to the kdmrc? >Edit the following File: /etc/sysconfig/desktop >DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" >DESKTOP="KDE" The KDE Display Manager is a different login front end than GDM (Gnome's and the default for K12LTSP) or XDM (the stock X11). When you change display managers it will change it for all workstations connecting. I don't know of a way to adjust the DM for one workstation and not all. The desktop environment is set by the user. You the admin set the default, but unless you remove the options a user will be able to set their environment to their favorite desktop. The DISPLAYMANAGER is the line you need to focus on. Scott From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Feb 26 10:58:09 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu Feb 26 10:58:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Memory In-Reply-To: <50483.211.120.189.158.1077761122.squirrel@webmail.marist.ac.jp> References: <50483.211.120.189.158.1077761122.squirrel@webmail.marist.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1077811167.7224.4.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 18:05, towsons at marist.ac.jp wrote: > HI - we use a lab full of Compaq Deskpro 4000 5200MX - all with crapster > modified S3 cards, > they need the Xfree 3 driver XF86_S3V and they work OK, > but there is some lag and distortion, especially when scrolling documents. > Will replacing these 1MB wonders with nice 32MB PCI Nvidia GE Force cards > increase performance of the terminals? It should. I would try one and make sure the results are what you are looking for before you go buy a ton. If you do decide to go this way, make sure to install the binary driver from Nvidia to get the performance. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Feb 26 11:30:03 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu Feb 26 11:30:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome startup programs In-Reply-To: <403E00A8.90907@maltzen.net> References: <41398.10.129.0.28.1077753127.squirrel@webmail> <403E00A8.90907@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1077813110.18744.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 06:20, Petre Scheie wrote: > Do you think the problem is with gnome startup or with the vanguard_start.sh > script? I had thought it was gnome startup related. Starting from the script always works. > If not, then the problem sounds gnome-related. So, it's > not clear to me, yet, exactly where the problem is. Today, gnome startup works every time, so I guess the problem was w/ me. Just ignore me... ;-) -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From matt at bird-technologies.com Thu Feb 26 11:43:16 2004 From: matt at bird-technologies.com (Matt Loretitsch) Date: Thu Feb 26 11:43:16 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI Message-ID: What sort of IDE drives are those on the third server? Interesting comparison! Two WD400BB IDE Drives on a relatively new SOYO mobo (cheap development server) 1.7ghz celeron chip Raid-0 through linux i.e. not hardware /dev/md0: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.85 seconds =150.59 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.47 seconds = 43.54 MB/sec /dev/md1: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.84 seconds =152.38 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.15 seconds = 55.65 MB/sec /dev/md2: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.84 seconds =152.38 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.08 seconds = 59.26 MB/sec /dev/hda1: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.78 seconds =164.10 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.47 seconds = 43.54 MB/sec Just some comparison for the group from me. A big hello to the buffered reads on SATA! -Matt NOTICE: This communication includes confidential information that may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, any use, unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this communication is strictly prohibited. From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Feb 26 11:56:02 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Feb 26 11:56:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] eth alias help Message-ID: <61010.170.211.161.223.1077814721.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Ok....Right now in my mail server I have 2 separate 10/100 nics recieving mail for 2 separate domains. If I take those out and put one gig nic in...can I create an alias (like eth 0:1) for the other domain and have things work like normal from the same nic? I assume I can but want to make sure. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Thu Feb 26 12:05:33 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Thu Feb 26 12:05:33 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <20040225163405.B14540@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4046874210.1077788698@[10.2.60.5]> Jim I use the cron tab interface in webmin to make my cron tab jobs. That's a neat idea overall - Closing internet in/out traffic would be a nice tool. We get a peer-to-peer issue now and then. Has anyone had a student connect to their PC at home via VNC ? Should I be concerned ? Ideas on how to squash it ? Thanks, Tom Ventresco From colprep at biz.videotron.ca Thu Feb 26 12:18:22 2004 From: colprep at biz.videotron.ca (rob focus) Date: Thu Feb 26 12:18:22 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: mail server alias In-Reply-To: <20040226170005.1555.20270.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040226170005.1555.20270.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1077815989.31311.14.camel@nikon> for most mail servers you don't need a fast pipe. 1-10/100 nic is sufficient.qmail,sendmail,procmail all support multiple domains; point your dns to the ip address of the mail server and create a A NAME /MX record for mail.mailserver.com setup mail accounts as per the docs. of the server your using - robert > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:58:41 -0600 (CST) > From: "Caleb Wagnon" > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] eth alias help > Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Ok....Right now in my mail server I have 2 separate 10/100 nics recieving mail > for 2 separate domains. If I take those out and put one gig nic in...can I > create an alias (like eth 0:1) for the other domain and have things work like > normal from the same nic? I assume I can but want to make sure. > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Feb 26 12:56:02 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu Feb 26 12:56:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <001401c3fc73$fb3c0880$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001401c3fc73$fb3c0880$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <403E3396.8030507@inlandlakes.org> Chuck -- With your nubus machines, can you visit a site like http://www.flasharcade.com without crashing mozilla (or any other browser I've tried) ? If you have NOT gotten those to work, perhaps I'm working on futility here. To answer the other question about flash not working on PPC -- correct, BUT only the X server is running on the PPC machine, not the browser... What was the XRENDER stuff all about, back when flash didn't work at all on linux terminals? Is this something that might not be implemented in the version of X that comes with yellowdog 3.0.1? Thanks to all, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com Thu Feb 26 12:57:07 2004 From: Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com (Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com) Date: Thu Feb 26 12:57:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based school applications. Message-ID: I found this today, looked interesting, thought I'd pass it along. What web based applications do your schools use with K12LTSP ? I've ran across others, but don't know what everyone uses in a production eviroment. Crouse www.usalug.org Kronophobia - a web enabled school calendaring system. http://kronophobia.sourceforge.net/ [quote] Kronophobia (otherwise known as Chronophobia - the fear of time) The aim of this project is to provide an Open Source, web enabled school calendaring system that is event based, has a lot of features, is easily and intuitively used and managed and runs on any *NIX system. Features - Event management - Holiday management - No School days or Break management - Event Recurrence and approval system - Opponent/Schools database for meets,sports games,etc. - external event Contacts - organizational system for Campuses, Departments, Activities and Groups - Transportation integration; including buses, drivers and event assignments - Facility management; both local and remote - Equipment organization and checkouts for events - Custom reporting system with PDF print layouts straight from the web - User and Group management with complete security customization - NT, ADS, NIS, etc connectivity through Apache modules for authentication - User Preference system - Included Help documentation - Event tracking and email follow-ups when event changes - Parent/Visitor sign up system for event tracking - Much more... [/quote] From robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com Thu Feb 26 14:22:00 2004 From: robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com (Robert Harrelson) Date: Thu Feb 26 14:22:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] textmaker runs on server not on client Message-ID: <1077823404.9290.25.camel@symbiont01> Hello, I'm trying to find something faster than ooo and would like to try textmaker (softmaker.de). When installed, however, the application will run on a thin client but none of the icons/images can be seen. If I log in at the console it runs normally. Can anybody point me in the direction of how to troubleshoot such an issue? Running LTSP 3, server =dual xeon @2.4 GH, 4 GB ram, client = hp vectra w/ matrox video and 32 MB ram. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Harrelson Inside Washington Publishers 703-416-8505 800-424-9068 robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Thu Feb 26 14:54:03 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Thu Feb 26 14:54:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] eth alias help In-Reply-To: <61010.170.211.161.223.1077814721.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> References: <61010.170.211.161.223.1077814721.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1077825330.23355.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 05:58, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Ok....Right now in my mail server I have 2 separate 10/100 nics recieving mail > for 2 separate domains. If I take those out and put one gig nic in...can I > create an alias (like eth 0:1) for the other domain and have things work like > normal from the same nic? I assume I can but want to make sure. Yes, you can, but it is the old way to do it. Simply add both addresses to the interface. The interface will establish itself as usual, and then add the secondary IP address directly, thusly ; # ip address add 192.168.n.254/24 dev eth0 and it is done! You may add as many scopes (subnets) as you like to one interface, and then offer a range of different services on each interface - just like they were separate physical networks. The networks will be invisible to each other (sort of.) you can play other tricks too, like set everyones' default route to this interface, and then set routing policy on who may talk to who. HTH /steve From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Feb 26 15:01:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Feb 26 15:01:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] eth alias help In-Reply-To: <1077825330.23355.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <61010.170.211.161.223.1077814721.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <1077825330.23355.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <62165.170.211.161.223.1077825849.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Steve Wright said: > Yes, you can, but it is the old way to do it. > > Simply add both addresses to the interface. The interface will > establish itself as usual, and then add the secondary IP address > directly, thusly ; > > > # ip address add 192.168.n.254/24 dev eth0 > > and it is done! You may add as many scopes (subnets) as you like to one > interface, and then offer a range of different services on each > interface - just like they were separate physical networks. The > networks will be invisible to each other (sort of.) Huh? That's not the old way I know =) What do I do to my startup scripts? Or do I just type that command and all is well forever and ever? =) -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From haysja at sages.us Thu Feb 26 15:12:02 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu Feb 26 15:12:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] textmaker runs on server not on client In-Reply-To: <1077823404.9290.25.camel@symbiont01> References: <1077823404.9290.25.camel@symbiont01> Message-ID: <403E538F.8040809@sages.us> Have you tried ABIWord? It is very fast and can bang out normal documents easily. It is definitely worth a peek. It opens much, much, much faster than OOo. Can't help you troubleshoot textmaker, though. Robert Harrelson wrote: >Hello, > >I'm trying to find something faster than ooo and would like to try >textmaker (softmaker.de). When installed, however, the application will >run on a thin client but none of the icons/images can be seen. > >If I log in at the console it runs normally. > >Can anybody point me in the direction of how to troubleshoot such an >issue? > >Running LTSP 3, server =dual xeon @2.4 GH, 4 GB ram, client = hp vectra >w/ matrox video and 32 MB ram. > > >Thanks, > >Robert > > > From robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com Thu Feb 26 15:16:01 2004 From: robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com (Robert Harrelson) Date: Thu Feb 26 15:16:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] textmaker runs on server not on client In-Reply-To: <403E538F.8040809@sages.us> References: <1077823404.9290.25.camel@symbiont01> <403E538F.8040809@sages.us> Message-ID: <1077826646.12953.24.camel@symbiont01> Yes, but the latest version of Abiword seems to have broken styles -- changing the style on a paragraph doesn't change the font, at least on my setup, using version 2.03. Robert On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:14, Jim Hays wrote: > Have you tried ABIWord? It is very fast and can bang out normal > documents easily. It is definitely worth a peek. It opens much, much, > much faster than OOo. > > Can't help you troubleshoot textmaker, though. > > > Robert Harrelson wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I'm trying to find something faster than ooo and would like to try > >textmaker (softmaker.de). When installed, however, the application will > >run on a thin client but none of the icons/images can be seen. > > > >If I log in at the console it runs normally. > > > >Can anybody point me in the direction of how to troubleshoot such an > >issue? > > > >Running LTSP 3, server =dual xeon @2.4 GH, 4 GB ram, client = hp vectra > >w/ matrox video and 32 MB ram. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Robert > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Robert Harrelson Inside Washington Publishers 703-416-8505 800-424-9068 robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Thu Feb 26 15:18:01 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Thu Feb 26 15:18:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] eth alias help In-Reply-To: <62165.170.211.161.223.1077825849.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> References: <61010.170.211.161.223.1077814721.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <1077825330.23355.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <62165.170.211.161.223.1077825849.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1077826782.23355.20.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 09:04, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Steve Wright said: > > Yes, you can, but it is the old way to do it. > > > > Simply add both addresses to the interface. The interface will > > establish itself as usual, and then add the secondary IP address > > directly, thusly ; > > > > > > # ip address add 192.168.n.254/24 dev eth0 > > > > and it is done! You may add as many scopes (subnets) as you like to one > > interface, and then offer a range of different services on each > > interface - just like they were separate physical networks. The > > networks will be invisible to each other (sort of.) > > Huh? That's not the old way I know =) > > What do I do to my startup scripts? Or do I just type that command and all is > well forever and ever? =) off the top of my head ; You will need an additional startup script. iproute2 is not implemented well in userspace just yet - the tools are there, but not the supporting scripting. Add a script in /etc/init.d and ln -s to it from somewhere as early as possible, but after your main networking has started. Take care that swapping runlevels back and forth will not load and re-load this script repeatedly, or bad things will happen.. baaad things, man. /etc/init.d/iproute2 #!/bin/bash # chkconfig: # description: load our iproute2 stuff ip address add 192.168.n.254/24 dev eth0 # done I expect at this point you may simply hand-run /etc/init.d/iproute2 and restart your services and you should on-the-air! ;-) Enjoy! networking rocks! /steve From haysja at sages.us Thu Feb 26 15:33:01 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu Feb 26 15:33:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] textmaker runs on server not on client In-Reply-To: <1077826646.12953.24.camel@symbiont01> References: <1077823404.9290.25.camel@symbiont01> <403E538F.8040809@sages.us> <1077826646.12953.24.camel@symbiont01> Message-ID: <403E585B.2010703@sages.us> I'm updating Abiword as I write this. I will test it as soon as I get a chance. I only mentioned it here because you mentioned a speed issue. Abiword is fast. (I know one of the guys who was programming it a few years back. I don't think he is involved anymore.) Robert Harrelson wrote: >Yes, but the latest version of Abiword seems to have broken styles -- >changing the style on a paragraph doesn't change the font, at least on >my setup, using version 2.03. > >Robert > >On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:14, Jim Hays wrote: > > >>Have you tried ABIWord? It is very fast and can bang out normal >>documents easily. It is definitely worth a peek. It opens much, much, >>much faster than OOo. >> >>Can't help you troubleshoot textmaker, though. >> >> >>Robert Harrelson wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I'm trying to find something faster than ooo and would like to try >>>textmaker (softmaker.de). When installed, however, the application will >>>run on a thin client but none of the icons/images can be seen. >>> >>>If I log in at the console it runs normally. >>> >>>Can anybody point me in the direction of how to troubleshoot such an >>>issue? >>> >>>Running LTSP 3, server =dual xeon @2.4 GH, 4 GB ram, client = hp vectra >>>w/ matrox video and 32 MB ram. >>> >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Robert >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Feb 26 15:35:04 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Feb 26 15:35:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] eth alias help In-Reply-To: <1077826782.23355.20.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <61010.170.211.161.223.1077814721.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <1077825330.23355.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <62165.170.211.161.223.1077825849.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <1077826782.23355.20.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <62821.170.211.161.223.1077827874.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Steve Wright said: > off the top of my head ; > > You will need an additional startup script. iproute2 is not implemented > well in userspace just yet - the tools are there, but not the supporting > scripting. Add a script in /etc/init.d and ln -s to it from somewhere > as early as possible, but after your main networking has started. > > Take care that swapping runlevels back and forth will not load and > re-load this script repeatedly, or bad things will happen.. baaad > things, man. > > /etc/init.d/iproute2 > > #!/bin/bash > # chkconfig: > # description: load our iproute2 stuff > > ip address add 192.168.n.254/24 dev eth0 > > # done > > > I expect at this point you may simply hand-run /etc/init.d/iproute2 > and restart your services and you should on-the-air! ;-) Ok. So if this doesn't work can I get my money back? =) -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From haysja at sages.us Thu Feb 26 15:47:34 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu Feb 26 15:47:34 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] textmaker runs on server not on client In-Reply-To: <403E585B.2010703@sages.us> References: <1077823404.9290.25.camel@symbiont01> <403E538F.8040809@sages.us> <1077826646.12953.24.camel@symbiont01> <403E585B.2010703@sages.us> Message-ID: <403E5BA1.6020207@sages.us> I just updated Abiword with "yum update abiword" and it works well. I typed a couple paragraphs and changed the styles and the fonts changed as they should. I am running K12LTSP 4.0.1 The version of Abiword is now 2.0.1 Jim Hays wrote: > I'm updating Abiword as I write this. I will test it as soon as I > get a chance. > I only mentioned it here because you mentioned a speed issue. Abiword > is fast. (I know one of the guys who was programming it a few years > back. I don't think he is involved anymore.) > > > Robert Harrelson wrote: > >> Yes, but the latest version of Abiword seems to have broken styles -- >> changing the style on a paragraph doesn't change the font, at least on >> my setup, using version 2.03. >> >> Robert >> >> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:14, Jim Hays wrote: >> >> >>> Have you tried ABIWord? It is very fast and can bang out normal >>> documents easily. It is definitely worth a peek. It opens much, >>> much, much faster than OOo. >>> >>> Can't help you troubleshoot textmaker, though. >>> >>> >>> Robert Harrelson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I'm trying to find something faster than ooo and would like to try >>>> textmaker (softmaker.de). When installed, however, the application >>>> will >>>> run on a thin client but none of the icons/images can be seen. >>>> If I log in at the console it runs normally. >>>> >>>> Can anybody point me in the direction of how to troubleshoot such an >>>> issue? >>>> >>>> Running LTSP 3, server =dual xeon @2.4 GH, 4 GB ram, client = hp >>>> vectra >>>> w/ matrox video and 32 MB ram. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com Thu Feb 26 16:05:00 2004 From: robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com (Robert Harrelson) Date: Thu Feb 26 16:05:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] textmaker runs on server not on client In-Reply-To: <403E5BA1.6020207@sages.us> References: <1077823404.9290.25.camel@symbiont01> <403E538F.8040809@sages.us> <1077826646.12953.24.camel@symbiont01> <403E585B.2010703@sages.us> <403E5BA1.6020207@sages.us> Message-ID: <1077829573.12953.57.camel@symbiont01> Hmmm. I downloaded the latest version a few weeks ago to install and I have 2.0.3. I've posted a bug report with abisource -- I'll check tomorrow and see if that produces anything. And I agree -- Abiword is nice and fast, but I've got to have those styles working. Thanks for the effort. Robert On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:48, Jim Hays wrote: > I just updated Abiword with "yum update abiword" and it works well. I > typed a couple paragraphs and changed the styles and the fonts changed > as they should. > > I am running K12LTSP 4.0.1 > The version of Abiword is now 2.0.1 > > > Jim Hays wrote: > > > I'm updating Abiword as I write this. I will test it as soon as I > > get a chance. > > I only mentioned it here because you mentioned a speed issue. Abiword > > is fast. (I know one of the guys who was programming it a few years > > back. I don't think he is involved anymore.) > > > > > > Robert Harrelson wrote: > > > >> Yes, but the latest version of Abiword seems to have broken styles -- > >> changing the style on a paragraph doesn't change the font, at least on > >> my setup, using version 2.03. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:14, Jim Hays wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Have you tried ABIWord? It is very fast and can bang out normal > >>> documents easily. It is definitely worth a peek. It opens much, > >>> much, much faster than OOo. > >>> > >>> Can't help you troubleshoot textmaker, though. > >>> > >>> > >>> Robert Harrelson wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I'm trying to find something faster than ooo and would like to try > >>>> textmaker (softmaker.de). When installed, however, the application > >>>> will > >>>> run on a thin client but none of the icons/images can be seen. > >>>> If I log in at the console it runs normally. > >>>> > >>>> Can anybody point me in the direction of how to troubleshoot such an > >>>> issue? > >>>> > >>>> Running LTSP 3, server =dual xeon @2.4 GH, 4 GB ram, client = hp > >>>> vectra > >>>> w/ matrox video and 32 MB ram. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> Robert > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Robert Harrelson Inside Washington Publishers 703-416-8505 800-424-9068 robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 26 16:13:11 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu Feb 26 16:13:11 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <4046874210.1077788698@[10.2.60.5]> Message-ID: <003801c3fcad$abcdaa30$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks, I'll check it out. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:45 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time Jim I use the cron tab interface in webmin to make my cron tab jobs. That's a neat idea overall - Closing internet in/out traffic would be a nice tool. We get a peer-to-peer issue now and then. Has anyone had a student connect to their PC at home via VNC ? Should I be concerned ? Ideas on how to squash it ? Thanks, Tom Ventresco _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Thu Feb 26 17:09:13 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Thu Feb 26 17:09:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] eth alias help In-Reply-To: <62821.170.211.161.223.1077827874.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> References: <61010.170.211.161.223.1077814721.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <1077825330.23355.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <62165.170.211.161.223.1077825849.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <1077826782.23355.20.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <62821.170.211.161.223.1077827874.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1077833462.24909.1.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 09:37, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Steve Wright said: > > > off the top of my head ; > > > > You will need an additional startup script. iproute2 is not implemented > > well in userspace just yet - the tools are there, but not the supporting > > scripting. Add a script in /etc/init.d and ln -s to it from somewhere > > as early as possible, but after your main networking has started. > > > > Take care that swapping runlevels back and forth will not load and > > re-load this script repeatedly, or bad things will happen.. baaad > > things, man. > > > > /etc/init.d/iproute2 > > > > #!/bin/bash > > # chkconfig: > > # description: load our iproute2 stuff > > > > ip address add 192.168.n.254/24 dev eth0 > > > > # done > > > > > > I expect at this point you may simply hand-run /etc/init.d/iproute2 > > and restart your services and you should on-the-air! ;-) > > Ok. So if this doesn't work can I get my money back? =) ahhh, we can do a deal, yes. ;;-) just test it - do the `ip address add ...` command.. results in 10 seconds.. if happy - script it.. see.. easy. 8-) /steve From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 26 19:01:02 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Thu Feb 26 19:01:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <403E3396.8030507@inlandlakes.org> References: <001401c3fc73$fb3c0880$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <403E3396.8030507@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <403E88FB.1090303@downeast.net> havnhad the chance to sit down at the middle school for a while...everything just works over there since like last May...plus the ibooks have taken the load off..wil try it tomorrow..chuck Shawn Powers wrote: > Chuck -- > > With your nubus machines, can you visit a site like > http://www.flasharcade.com without crashing mozilla (or any other > browser I've tried) ? > > If you have NOT gotten those to work, perhaps I'm working on futility > here. > > To answer the other question about flash not working on PPC -- > correct, BUT only the X server is running on the PPC machine, not the > browser... > > What was the XRENDER stuff all about, back when flash didn't work at > all on linux terminals? Is this something that might not be > implemented in the version of X that comes with yellowdog 3.0.1? > > Thanks to all, > -Shawn > From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 26 19:05:01 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Thu Feb 26 19:05:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <001201c3fc6f$f85bc8c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001201c3fc6f$f85bc8c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <403E89CC.5080108@downeast.net> Jim..i will try to translate into english for you...don mean to be obtuse..chuck From jbraumberger at earthlink.net Thu Feb 26 21:02:01 2004 From: jbraumberger at earthlink.net (Jeff Braumberger) Date: Thu Feb 26 21:02:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help!!! Message-ID: <000001c3fcd5$e2cc2890$0301a8c0@ella> Ok I have the server up and running almost. Can't get the Mtools fm to work. I keep getting "Can't connect to floppyd server on local host port 5703 - can't initialize A. I have mount the A drive and am able to copy the Ethernet bootrom I need to my floppy. Let me see if I'm thinking right. I need the bootrom for the clients Ethernet card? -Intel EtherExpress Pro/100 -bootrom 82559? Will the client boot automatically from the floppy? I have the boot sequence correct although since it's diskless do I need to do this? What use is the floppyd server? Thanks ******************************** Jeff Braumberger 574 Glendale Blvd Mansfield, Oh 44907 jbraumberger at earthlink.net ******************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 26 21:11:00 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Thu Feb 26 21:11:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help!!! In-Reply-To: <000001c3fcd5$e2cc2890$0301a8c0@ella> References: <000001c3fcd5$e2cc2890$0301a8c0@ella> Message-ID: <403EA75B.2080801@downeast.net> seeems you are talking two difrrerent thinngs..th etherboot floppy is meant to boot the client... Oncethe terminal is up floppyd allows you to read and write a dos formatted floppy Jeff Braumberger wrote: > Ok I have the server up and running almost. Can?t get the Mtools fm to > work. I keep getting ?Can?t connect to floppyd server on local host > port 5703 ? can?t initialize A. > > I have mount the A drive and am able to copy the Ethernet bootrom I > need to my floppy. Let me see if I?m thinking right. > > I need the bootrom for the clients Ethernet card? -Intel EtherExpress > Pro/100 ?bootrom 82559? > > Will the client boot automatically from the floppy? I have the boot > sequence correct although since it?s diskless do I need to do this? > > What use is the floppyd server? > > Thanks > > ******************************** > > Jeff Braumberger > > 574 Glendale Blvd > > Mansfield, Oh 44907 > > jbraumberger at earthlink.net > > ******************************** > From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Feb 26 21:18:00 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Thu Feb 26 21:18:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] libranet as ltsp server. In-Reply-To: <403E3396.8030507@inlandlakes.org> References: <001401c3fc73$fb3c0880$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <403E3396.8030507@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <403EA8EE.4040008@downeast.net> fwiw... i got libranet running as ltsp server today.. pretty snappy distro..withsix or more windows managers to choose from built in.. five browsers. icewm with nautilus running gives desktop icons.....debian based .runs pretty well on 48 meg of memory..had to apt get dhcpd and atftpd....gdmsetup enabled xdmcp...openoffice abiword...ethereal...takes only slightly more than 3.2 gig to install (found out the hard way) chuck From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Feb 27 05:53:06 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri Feb 27 05:53:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: <403EA8EE.4040008@downeast.net> References: <001401c3fc73$fb3c0880$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <403E3396.8030507@inlandlakes.org> <403EA8EE.4040008@downeast.net> Message-ID: <403F21DE.2030508@snet.net> Curioser and curioser... Didn't RH say no more personal desktop OS? What's this then? http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/ RH Professional Workstation. RH Enterprise Linux gets Personal... Anyone? -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com Fri Feb 27 06:49:34 2004 From: robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com (Robert Harrelson) Date: Fri Feb 27 06:49:34 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help!!! In-Reply-To: <000001c3fcd5$e2cc2890$0301a8c0@ella> References: <000001c3fcd5$e2cc2890$0301a8c0@ella> Message-ID: <403F2F00.8090906@iwpnews.com> Hello, I'm sure you'll get a response from someone more expert than I, but for what it's worth . . . The mtools component allows the clients to access their a: drives and move files to and from a floppy. It is unrelated to the boot process. If the clients' NICs don't have an appropriate bootrom then the clients have to boot from a floppy. But the bootdisk cannot be read by mtools, you need a windows/ms-dos formatted floppy to use mtools. That is, you boot the client from a floppy with the appropriate etherboot stuff on it. Then, once the client is running you can insert a pc-formatted floppy into drive a: and use mtools to access it. Hope this helps. Robert Jeff Braumberger wrote: > Ok I have the server up and running almost. Can?t get the Mtools fm to > work. I keep getting ?Can?t connect to floppyd server on local host > port 5703 ? can?t initialize A. > > I have mount the A drive and am able to copy the Ethernet bootrom I need > to my floppy. Let me see if I?m thinking right. > > > > I need the bootrom for the clients Ethernet card? -Intel EtherExpress > Pro/100 ?bootrom 82559? > > Will the client boot automatically from the floppy? I have the boot > sequence correct although since it?s diskless do I need to do this? > > What use is the floppyd server? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > ******************************** > > Jeff Braumberger > > 574 Glendale Blvd > > Mansfield, Oh 44907 > > jbraumberger at earthlink.net > > > > ******************************** > > > -- Robert Harrelson Inside Washington Publishers 703-416-8505 800-424-9068 robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Feb 27 07:45:02 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri Feb 27 07:45:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <4046874210.1077788698@[10.2.60.5]> References: <4046874210.1077788698@[10.2.60.5]> Message-ID: <403F3C3B.90702@gwi.net> aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > Jim I use the cron tab interface in webmin to make my cron tab jobs. > That's a neat idea overall - Closing internet in/out traffic would be > a nice tool. We get a peer-to-peer issue now and then. > > Has anyone had a student connect to their PC at home via VNC ? Should > I be concerned ? Ideas on how to squash it ? > > Thanks, > Tom Ventresco You can complicate such access but you cannot block it. Any unproxied service or even ssl-based proxied service can be used to tunnel such access. For instance if you permit access to https then the student just has to make their home vnc listen on port 443, or their sshd and tunnel their vnc connection to do it securely even. So you can block ports in 5900-59xx and port 22 if you want to, but chances are they will find an alternative, and you will merely have complicated your own vnc and ssh access to outside systems. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 08:59:05 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 08:59:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <403E89CC.5080108@downeast.net> Message-ID: <000801c3fd3a$2f47f000$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Chuck, English is nice. Is there any other way to load up the old power macs without having to load OS9, BootX, then all the Linux stuff? Seems pretty cumbersome. Maybe this is where your method could be nice. If I can just get one of each vintage running 5200, 5500, iMac...then I will just use my hard drive cloner to crank out labs. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:06 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Jim..i will try to translate into english for you...don mean to be obtuse..chuck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 09:08:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 09:08:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <403F3C3B.90702@gwi.net> Message-ID: <000901c3fd3b$651aaa50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Wouldn?t the following two commands 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethout 1 -i eth1 -j DENY 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethin 1 -i eth1 -j DENY Completely disable the interface on all ports? I assumed if I ran this on the local (Green Network for IPCop) it would disable routing completely. I am not looking for a port specific block, just an entire shutdown. Otherwise they will still be up all night on file sharing networks downloading stolen music and porn while instant messaging each other about what so and so said at school today. I want the network dead during off hours. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Christopher K. Johnson Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:47 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > Jim I use the cron tab interface in webmin to make my cron tab jobs. > That's a neat idea overall - Closing internet in/out traffic would be > a nice tool. We get a peer-to-peer issue now and then. > > Has anyone had a student connect to their PC at home via VNC ? Should > I be concerned ? Ideas on how to squash it ? > > Thanks, > Tom Ventresco You can complicate such access but you cannot block it. Any unproxied service or even ssl-based proxied service can be used to tunnel such access. For instance if you permit access to https then the student just has to make their home vnc listen on port 443, or their sshd and tunnel their vnc connection to do it securely even. So you can block ports in 5900-59xx and port 22 if you want to, but chances are they will find an alternative, and you will merely have complicated your own vnc and ssh access to outside systems. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Fri Feb 27 09:09:07 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Fri Feb 27 09:09:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGroupware.org / eDirectory Message-ID: <1077890474.11150.4.camel@localhost> Has anyone here ever played with OpenGroupware.org? If so how did it work? Also has anyone here setup eDirectory for Linux and if so how do you like it? And is it easy to get Linux clients to authenticate from it? Thanks, J. Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (715) 327-4223 From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 27 09:20:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri Feb 27 09:20:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <000901c3fd3b$651aaa50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000901c3fd3b$651aaa50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1077891701.18297.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 08:09, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Wouldn???t the following two commands > 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethout 1 -i eth1 -j DENY > 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethin 1 -i eth1 -j DENY > Completely disable the interface on all ports? I assumed if I ran this > on the local (Green Network for IPCop) it would disable routing > completely. I am not looking for a port specific block, just an entire > shutdown. Otherwise they will still be up all night on file sharing > networks downloading stolen music and porn while instant messaging each > other about what so and so said at school today. I want the network > dead during off hours. On a RedHat based system you should be able to run ifdown interface ifup interface to completely deactivate it, and the ifup script will deal with picking up a DHCP address if needed. If you drop the inside interface you could still receive inbound email, etc. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Feb 27 09:39:00 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri Feb 27 09:39:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <000901c3fd3b$651aaa50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000901c3fd3b$651aaa50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <403F56BD.6030903@gwi.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Wouldn?t the following two commands >0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethout 1 -i eth1 -j DENY >0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethin 1 -i eth1 -j DENY >Completely disable the interface on all ports? I assumed if I ran this >on the local (Green Network for IPCop) it would disable routing >completely. I am not looking for a port specific block, just an entire >shutdown. Otherwise they will still be up all night on file sharing >networks downloading stolen music and porn while instant messaging each >other about what so and so said at school today. I want the network >dead during off hours. > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of Christopher K. Johnson >Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:47 AM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time > > >aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > > > >>Jim I use the cron tab interface in webmin to make my cron tab jobs. >>That's a neat idea overall - Closing internet in/out traffic would be >>a nice tool. We get a peer-to-peer issue now and then. >> >>Has anyone had a student connect to their PC at home via VNC ? Should >>I be concerned ? Ideas on how to squash it ? >> >>Thanks, >>Tom Ventresco >> >> > >You can complicate such access but you cannot block it. Any unproxied >service or even ssl-based proxied service can be used to tunnel such >access. For instance if you permit access to https then the student >just has to make their home vnc listen on port 443, or their sshd and >tunnel their vnc connection to do it securely even. > >So you can block ports in 5900-59xx and port 22 if you want to, but >chances are they will find an alternative, and you will merely have >complicated your own vnc and ssh access to outside systems. > > > My "You can complicate..." response was in reply to the "Has anyone had a student connect to their PC at home via VNC?...how to squash it" inquiry. If all traffic is disabled, that would of course disable access to vnc and all alternative services on outside hosts. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From accessys at smart.net Fri Feb 27 09:43:02 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri Feb 27 09:43:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: <403F21DE.2030508@snet.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > Curioser and curioser... > Didn't RH say no more personal desktop OS? > What's this then? > http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/ > RH Professional Workstation. > RH Enterprise Linux gets Personal... > Anyone? $179 !!!!!!!!!! about 4 times what it used to cost on the store shelves and what do you get for that extra, not a single thing more that RH9 (features, it is updated but no more than say fedora) Bob "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 10:05:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 10:05:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <403F56BD.6030903@gwi.net> Message-ID: <000a01c3fd43$59de8fa0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I get confused who is responding to who on this list sometimes :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Christopher K. Johnson Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:40 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Wouldn?t the following two commands >0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethout 1 -i eth1 -j DENY >0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethin 1 -i eth1 -j DENY Completely disable >the interface on all ports? I assumed if I ran this on the local >(Green Network for IPCop) it would disable routing completely. I am >not looking for a port specific block, just an entire shutdown. >Otherwise they will still be up all night on file sharing networks >downloading stolen music and porn while instant messaging each other >about what so and so said at school today. I want the network dead >during off hours. > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Christopher K. Johnson >Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:47 AM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time > > >aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > > > >>Jim I use the cron tab interface in webmin to make my cron tab jobs. >>That's a neat idea overall - Closing internet in/out traffic would be >>a nice tool. We get a peer-to-peer issue now and then. >> >>Has anyone had a student connect to their PC at home via VNC ? Should >>I be concerned ? Ideas on how to squash it ? >> >>Thanks, >>Tom Ventresco >> >> > >You can complicate such access but you cannot block it. Any unproxied >service or even ssl-based proxied service can be used to tunnel such >access. For instance if you permit access to https then the student >just has to make their home vnc listen on port 443, or their sshd and >tunnel their vnc connection to do it securely even. > >So you can block ports in 5900-59xx and port 22 if you want to, but >chances are they will find an alternative, and you will merely have >complicated your own vnc and ssh access to outside systems. > > > My "You can complicate..." response was in reply to the "Has anyone had a student connect to their PC at home via VNC?...how to squash it" inquiry. If all traffic is disabled, that would of course disable access to vnc and all alternative services on outside hosts. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 10:08:17 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 10:08:17 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c3fd43$d1acba20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Wow! I never thought I would see Linux prices reach that of Microsoft...at least not this soon. I wonder if this has to do with all of the hype with IBM. I can't imagine there is any Linux option out there that is polished enough for a standard end user to justify that price. Oh well, more power to them, at least it is still open source so there is free options...for now. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Access Systems Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:45 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > Curioser and curioser... > Didn't RH say no more personal desktop OS? > What's this then? > http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/ > RH Professional Workstation. > RH Enterprise Linux gets Personal... > Anyone? $179 !!!!!!!!!! about 4 times what it used to cost on the store shelves and what do you get for that extra, not a single thing more that RH9 (features, it is updated but no more than say fedora) Bob "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# *#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Feb 27 10:10:00 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri Feb 27 10:10:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403F17E4.6010707@inlandlakes.org> Access Systems wrote: > $179 !!!!!!!!!! Look, you GET A FREE HAT -- what more do you want? http://www.redhat.com/img/boxset_rhpw_promo.gif ;o) Happy Friday. -Shawn From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 10:15:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 10:15:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: <403F17E4.6010707@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000e01c3fd44$c8a95590$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Great! Then people who don't know me will think I am a geek too. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:12 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? Access Systems wrote: > $179 !!!!!!!!!! Look, you GET A FREE HAT -- what more do you want? http://www.redhat.com/img/boxset_rhpw_promo.gif ;o) Happy Friday. -Shawn _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Feb 27 10:45:01 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri Feb 27 10:45:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <001301c3fc70$1c04d000$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, We ran a similar setup in a private school boy's dorm in Germany. In order to deal with this ... what if the boys sit up all night and check out porn ... we just turned off the router at night. The router was in the office. The office was locked for night. For staff that had a key, they could stay up and do their email or IM to their friends in the States, but the students were "off line" as their ltsp terminals were in other parts of the dorm. Another very low-tech solution would be to install a digital timer on the power plug for your switch or router. Lock those in a cabinet. and at 22:00 the router or switch goes off line ... not very techie but effective. No fooling with IPTABLES & cron jobs.... just a simple "pull the plug" type solution. ...hey it worked greetings Joe Guenther -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:55 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: Limit Network Access by time Thanks everyone, I think I have more than enough suggestions to achieve what I want. This list is awesome. Thanks again. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of rob focus Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:40 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Limit Network Access by time another way is to add an iptables rule blocking the red interface(external) and toggle it on/off using crontab. -- #crontab -e (on one line) 0 22 * * * /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -s 192.168.1.0 -j REJECT 0 6 * * * /sbin/iptables -D CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -s 192.168.1.0 -j REJECT -- or Block everything except the above network by replacing REJECT with ACCEPT and adding -A CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -j REJECT , first. if your directors are on the same network use a subnet mask to limit the ip's to the addresses you want to block. http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200305/200305.htm#_Blocking_a_Subnet http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/crontab.1.asp robert _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 27 10:47:02 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Fri Feb 27 10:47:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Tutorials -- Perhaps off-topic Message-ID: <003c01c3fd49$15f4a3a0$6500a8c0@gibson.local> http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org/ The local Linux Users Group (CLUE), in conjunction with the Sierra Club is working on a "Learn and Earn" program for the community. By recycling used computers and installing Linux, they will be teaching classes on using Linux and the Open Source applications that come with it. This is a pilot for a future project, hopefully a bigger and continuing one. Anyway, I am wondering if anyone on this list would like to take a look and comment, or try any of these tutorials in any of your classes and help with some feedback to the author, Walter Hildebrandt, Denver CO, tutorialsforopenoffice at yahoo.com . This project has the potential to be of assistance to us all in our classrooms. I think he needs more feedback than the people just on the project committee. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Rita Gibson RMSEL From robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com Fri Feb 27 10:51:08 2004 From: robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com (Robert Harrelson) Date: Fri Feb 27 10:51:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] textmaker runs on server not on client In-Reply-To: <1077829573.12953.57.camel@symbiont01> References: <1077823404.9290.25.camel@symbiont01> <403E538F.8040809@sages.us> <1077826646.12953.24.camel@symbiont01> <403E585B.2010703@sages.us> <403E5BA1.6020207@sages.us> <1077829573.12953.57.camel@symbiont01> Message-ID: <1077897188.3169.540.camel@symbiont01> With respect to Textmaker (softmaker.de) the issue was identified by one the Softmaker guys. > Please turn off the Shared Memory Extensions by editing the file > ofl.ini located in ~/.softmaker. Change the setting for SHM in the > section [tml] to 0. I did this and the program runs fine from a thin client. I'll post something after testing it out. Robert On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 16:06, Robert Harrelson wrote: > Hmmm. I downloaded the latest version a few weeks ago to install and I > have 2.0.3. > > I've posted a bug report with abisource -- I'll check tomorrow and see > if that produces anything. > > And I agree -- Abiword is nice and fast, but I've got to have those > styles working. > > Thanks for the effort. > > Robert > > On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:48, Jim Hays wrote: > > I just updated Abiword with "yum update abiword" and it works well. I > > typed a couple paragraphs and changed the styles and the fonts changed > > as they should. > > > > I am running K12LTSP 4.0.1 > > The version of Abiword is now 2.0.1 > > > > > > Jim Hays wrote: > > > > > I'm updating Abiword as I write this. I will test it as soon as I > > > get a chance. > > > I only mentioned it here because you mentioned a speed issue. Abiword > > > is fast. (I know one of the guys who was programming it a few years > > > back. I don't think he is involved anymore.) > > > > > > > > > Robert Harrelson wrote: > > > > > >> Yes, but the latest version of Abiword seems to have broken styles -- > > >> changing the style on a paragraph doesn't change the font, at least on > > >> my setup, using version 2.03. > > >> > > >> Robert > > >> > > >> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:14, Jim Hays wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> Have you tried ABIWord? It is very fast and can bang out normal > > >>> documents easily. It is definitely worth a peek. It opens much, > > >>> much, much faster than OOo. > > >>> > > >>> Can't help you troubleshoot textmaker, though. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Robert Harrelson wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Hello, > > >>>> > > >>>> I'm trying to find something faster than ooo and would like to try > > >>>> textmaker (softmaker.de). When installed, however, the application > > >>>> will > > >>>> run on a thin client but none of the icons/images can be seen. > > >>>> If I log in at the console it runs normally. > > >>>> > > >>>> Can anybody point me in the direction of how to troubleshoot such an > > >>>> issue? > > >>>> > > >>>> Running LTSP 3, server =dual xeon @2.4 GH, 4 GB ram, client = hp > > >>>> vectra > > >>>> w/ matrox video and 32 MB ram. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> > > >>>> Robert > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> K12OSN mailing list > > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>> For more info see > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see -- Robert Harrelson Inside Washington Publishers 703-416-8505 800-424-9068 robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 27 11:08:03 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Feb 27 11:08:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <200402271513.i1RFD1e18106@downeast.net> Jim...ok..can you take a machine with os7.6.1 on it...In my setup we have 600meg hard drives..i use half for a ghoat and leave the other for swaop space..it is not necessary to do this..Once yo have 7.6.1 (even 7.5.3 will work) you need to have stuffit expander on the client as well. stuffit expander needs to have its preference set to expand to a folder on the Macintosh .i start appletalk on a linux machine (a pc is fine)and create a user named ltsp with password ltsp and put machkernelskipslatest.gz in it. Then from the chooser i connect to the linux machine as ltsp pw ltsp.. i drop machkernelskipslatest.gz on stuffit and it unpacks (hopefully cleanly) on to the mac as machkernelskipslatest.. i rename it to Mach Kernel and put it in extensions folder.. the mklinux booter has four pieces you need..the controlpanel goes in control panel..lilo.conf and mklinus.prefs go in preference..mklinux booter goes in extensions as well.. That should set up the Macintosh to double boot...check to be sure that lilo.conf has these options rootdev=/dev/ram mach_options=ramdisk=8192 the sea.bin on the ftp site should simply do this for you..and the kernel in it is designed to use normal dhcp on port 67/68. Lets try that for now.. then set up the server.. which can be any pc using regular ltsp.. this part takes about five minutes when you get usded to it..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dsokolowsky at lucent.com Fri Feb 27 11:10:02 2004 From: dsokolowsky at lucent.com (David Sokolowsky) Date: Fri Feb 27 11:10:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403F6C2E.4080203@lucent.com> Access Systems wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > > >>Curioser and curioser... >>Didn't RH say no more personal desktop OS? >>What's this then? >>http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/ >>RH Professional Workstation. >>RH Enterprise Linux gets Personal... >>Anyone? > > > $179 !!!!!!!!!! about 4 times what it used to cost on the store shelves > and what do you get for that extra, not a single thing more that RH9 > (features, it is updated but no more than say fedora) > > Bob > Looks to be only $49.94 at Staples.com http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=521660&bcFlag=True&bcCatId=0&bcCatName=&bcClassId=140504&bcClassName=Operating+Systems From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 27 11:10:11 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Feb 27 11:10:11 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <200402271514.i1RFEhe18441@downeast.net> > Jim...ok..can you take a machine with os7.6.1 on it...In my setup we have > 600meg hard drives..i use half for macos and leave the other for swaop > space..it is not necessary to do this..Once yo have 7.6.1 (even 7.5.3 will > work) you need to have stuffit expander on the client as well. stuffit > expander needs to have its preference set to expand to a folder on the > Macintosh > > ..i start appletalk on a linux machine (a pc is fine)and create a user named > ltsp with password ltsp and put machkernelskipslatest.gz in it. Then from > the chooser i connect to the linux machine as ltsp pw ltsp.. i drop > machkernelskipslatest.gz on stuffit and it unpacks (hopefully cleanly) on > to the mac as machkernelskipslatest.. i rename it to Mach Kernel and put it > in extensions folder.. > > the mklinux booter has four pieces you need..the controlpanel goes in > control panel..lilo.conf and mklinus.prefs go in preference..mklinux booter > goes in extensions as well.. > > That should set up the Macintosh to double boot...check to be sure that > lilo.conf has these options > rootdev=/dev/ram > mach_options=ramdisk=8192 > > the sea.bin on the ftp site should simply do this for you..and the kernel > in it is designed to use normal dhcp on port 67/68. Lets try that for now.. > then set up the server.. which can be any pc using regular ltsp.. > > this part takes about five minutes when you get usded to > it..chuck > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 27 11:16:02 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Feb 27 11:16:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? Message-ID: <200402271520.i1RFKYe19266@downeast.net> shawn..i tried flasharcade.com but of course i don't have shockwave working in rh8. i installed the rpm..but sometimes get the little blue japanese character and sometimes just a black screen...i tried in galeon and mozilla with same results fwiw both seemed very stable though obviously not actually laying games. tried this on both 6100 and 5200 machines....they apparently had a sream gusher in that room so evything is wrapped in plastic bags.. what a mess. just the same the macs came right up...chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 11:16:07 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 11:16:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <200402271514.i1RFEhe18441@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001001c3fd4d$54fd6e70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks, I'll give this a try. You should hear from me by next week if I still can't figure it out. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:17 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question > Jim...ok..can you take a machine with os7.6.1 on it...In my setup we > have 600meg hard drives..i use half for macos and leave the other for > swaop space..it is not necessary to do this..Once yo have 7.6.1 (even > 7.5.3 will > work) you need to have stuffit expander on the client as well. stuffit > expander needs to have its preference set to expand to a folder on the > Macintosh > > ..i start appletalk on a linux machine (a pc is fine)and create a user > named ltsp with password ltsp and put machkernelskipslatest.gz in it. > Then from the chooser i connect to the linux machine as ltsp pw ltsp.. > i drop machkernelskipslatest.gz on stuffit and it unpacks (hopefully > cleanly) on to the mac as machkernelskipslatest.. i rename it to Mach > Kernel and put it in extensions folder.. > > the mklinux booter has four pieces you need..the controlpanel goes in > control panel..lilo.conf and mklinus.prefs go in preference..mklinux > booter goes in extensions as well.. > > That should set up the Macintosh to double boot...check to be sure > that lilo.conf has these options rootdev=/dev/ram > mach_options=ramdisk=8192 > > the sea.bin on the ftp site should simply do this for you..and the > kernel in it is designed to use normal dhcp on port 67/68. Lets try > that for now.. then set up the server.. which can be any pc using > regular ltsp.. > > this part takes about five minutes when you get usded to it..chuck > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From accessys at smart.net Fri Feb 27 11:28:01 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri Feb 27 11:28:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: <403F6C2E.4080203@lucent.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, David Sokolowsky wrote: > Access Systems wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > >>Curioser and curioser... > >>Didn't RH say no more personal desktop OS? > >>What's this then? > >>http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/ > >>RH Professional Workstation. > >>RH Enterprise Linux gets Personal... > > > > $179 !!!!!!!!!! about 4 times what it used to cost on the store shelves > > and what do you get for that extra, not a single thing more that RH9 > > Looks to be only $49.94 at Staples.com staples still had RH9 on the shelves for $49 when I was there a couple days ago.....??????? Bob "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From dgough at papcs.com Fri Feb 27 11:53:09 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri Feb 27 11:53:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGroupware.org / eDirectory Message-ID: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635ADA@xms.papcs.com> I found it BRUTALLY difficult to install and configure. Eventually, I gave up. They are planning on making an installer for it at some point, at which time I'll take another look. I like the feature set. Doug Gough > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Justin Paulsen > Sent: February 27, 2004 6:01 AM > To: K12LTSP mail list > Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGroupware.org / eDirectory > > > Has anyone here ever played with OpenGroupware.org? If so > how did it work? > > Also has anyone here setup eDirectory for Linux and if so how > do you like it? And is it easy to get Linux clients to > authenticate from it? > > Thanks, > > J. Paulsen > IT Coordinator > Frederic School District > paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us > (715) 327-4223 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Fri Feb 27 12:04:02 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Fri Feb 27 12:04:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Rebooting WinTerms In-Reply-To: <403BCB9B.9030108@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <403BCB9B.9030108@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <403F76A9.8030701@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Chris Hobbs wrote: > The problem is, if these machines are left untouched (once up to the > Windows logon screen), they recycle - that is, it appears that X dies > and restarts, relaunching rdesktop. This occurs appx every 5 minutes. Well, replying to myself since I was able to track down the problem - I realize that the odds of anyone else having this same problem is remote, but this will hopefully seed Google :) Anyway, it turns out that the WinLogon program has a hard-set timeout of 120 seconds (my estimate was way off), and effectively cancels the logon screen. There is a way around this, as MS has provided hooks for a programmer to replace the Graphical Identification and Authentication dll (gina.dll), which controls the response to that timeout. I'm going to look into this as a solution. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From Micah.Hale at aransas-pass.k12.tx.us Fri Feb 27 13:05:01 2004 From: Micah.Hale at aransas-pass.k12.tx.us (Micah Hale) Date: Fri Feb 27 13:05:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Rebooting WinTerms References: <403BCB9B.9030108@silvervalley.k12.ca.us><403F76A9.8030701@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <1892448.1077905162727.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@ariel.aransas-pass.k12.tx.us> Chris, I'm glad to hear that you may be working on a solution for this annoyance. I myself have a couple of hundred terminals that perform the same cycling. Although it is nothing more than an annoyance, a fix would be greatly appreciated here. Thanks for looking into it. Micah F. Hale Network Administrator Aransas Pass ISD micah.hale at aransas.k12.tx.us On Feb 27, 2004 10:56 AM, Chris Hobbs wrote: > Chris Hobbs wrote: > > The problem is, if these machines are left untouched (once up to the > > Windows logon screen), they recycle - that is, it appears that X dies > > and restarts, relaunching rdesktop. This occurs appx every 5 minutes. > > Well, replying to myself since I was able to track down the problem - I > realize that the odds of anyone else having this same problem is remote, > but this will hopefully seed Google :) > > Anyway, it turns out that the WinLogon program has a hard-set timeout of > 120 seconds (my estimate was way off), and effectively cancels the logon > screen. > > There is a way around this, as MS has provided hooks for a programmer to > replace the Graphical Identification and Authentication dll (gina.dll), > which controls the response to that timeout. I'm going to look into this > as a solution. > > -- > Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District > Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator > webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ > postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us > pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Feb 27 13:20:45 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri Feb 27 13:20:45 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help!!! In-Reply-To: <000001c3fcd5$e2cc2890$0301a8c0@ella> References: <000001c3fcd5$e2cc2890$0301a8c0@ella> Message-ID: <403F8B6C.6050407@msln.net> One thing to try is specifying in the /etc/dchpd.conf. , the mac and assign a WSxxx number (host ws010 { hardware ethernet 00:60:08:3e:3a:34; fixed-address 192.168.0.010; and then setup the lts.conf file with the appropriate WSxxx number and this command: [ws010] RCFILE_01 = floppyd Mine just happens to be ws010 Hope this helps. Mark Jeff Braumberger wrote: > Ok I have the server up and running almost. Can't get the Mtools fm > to work. I keep getting "Can't connect to floppyd server on local > host port 5703 - can't initialize A. > > I have mount the A drive and am able to copy the Ethernet bootrom I > need to my floppy. Let me see if I'm thinking right. > > > > I need the bootrom for the clients Ethernet card? -Intel EtherExpress > Pro/100 -bootrom 82559? > > Will the client boot automatically from the floppy? I have the boot > sequence correct although since it's diskless do I need to do this? > > What use is the floppyd server? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > ******************************** > > Jeff Braumberger > > 574 Glendale Blvd > > Mansfield, Oh 44907 > > jbraumberger at earthlink.net > > > > ******************************** > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 74 School Street Unity, Maine 04988 207-948-6142 gumprechtm at msln.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 13:38:08 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 13:38:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c3fd61$330de6f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> To tell the truth an timer was what we used in the past, just on the students switch. I just felt this a little absurd in the digital age, besides it too easy :-) I didn't like having to recycle the switches all of the time either. I figured since we had the new content filter box in place why not just set up an automatic system not quit so archaic. But if all else fails you bet the timer will be dusted off and put back into use. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Joe Guenther Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 9:47 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: Limit Network Access by time Jim, We ran a similar setup in a private school boy's dorm in Germany. In order to deal with this ... what if the boys sit up all night and check out porn ... we just turned off the router at night. The router was in the office. The office was locked for night. For staff that had a key, they could stay up and do their email or IM to their friends in the States, but the students were "off line" as their ltsp terminals were in other parts of the dorm. Another very low-tech solution would be to install a digital timer on the power plug for your switch or router. Lock those in a cabinet. and at 22:00 the router or switch goes off line ... not very techie but effective. No fooling with IPTABLES & cron jobs.... just a simple "pull the plug" type solution. ...hey it worked greetings Joe Guenther -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:55 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: Limit Network Access by time Thanks everyone, I think I have more than enough suggestions to achieve what I want. This list is awesome. Thanks again. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of rob focus Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:40 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Limit Network Access by time another way is to add an iptables rule blocking the red interface(external) and toggle it on/off using crontab. -- #crontab -e (on one line) 0 22 * * * /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -s 192.168.1.0 -j REJECT 0 6 * * * /sbin/iptables -D CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -s 192.168.1.0 -j REJECT -- or Block everything except the above network by replacing REJECT with ACCEPT and adding -A CUSTOMINPUT -i $RED_DEV -j REJECT , first. if your directors are on the same network use a subnet mask to limit the ip's to the addresses you want to block. http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200305/200305.htm#_Blocking_a_Subnet http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/crontab.1.asp robert _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 14:08:49 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:08:49 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <200402271513.i1RFD1e18106@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001601c3fd65$4d6673b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Okay Chuck, I have a 5500/250 loaded up with 7.6.1 and installed Skip's sea.bin image...machine reboots and gives me the boot menu then defaults after a few seconds to Linux...starts to boot gives me some crap on the screen then seems to stop. No prompt or anything. Is the next step the server? My current test server is LTSP 3.1.2 as I have trouble with 4 yet due to smp issues. I see all of the different confs from Skip in the folder from the ftp site you sent me previous...my bet is we need to mess with these next. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:15 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Jim...ok..can you take a machine with os7.6.1 on it...In my setup we have 600meg hard drives..i use half for a ghoat and leave the other for swaop space..it is not necessary to do this..Once yo have 7.6.1 (even 7.5.3 will work) you need to have stuffit expander on the client as well. stuffit expander needs to have its preference set to expand to a folder on the Macintosh .i start appletalk on a linux machine (a pc is fine)and create a user named ltsp with password ltsp and put machkernelskipslatest.gz in it. Then from the chooser i connect to the linux machine as ltsp pw ltsp.. i drop machkernelskipslatest.gz on stuffit and it unpacks (hopefully cleanly) on to the mac as machkernelskipslatest.. i rename it to Mach Kernel and put it in extensions folder.. the mklinux booter has four pieces you need..the controlpanel goes in control panel..lilo.conf and mklinus.prefs go in preference..mklinux booter goes in extensions as well.. That should set up the Macintosh to double boot...check to be sure that lilo.conf has these options rootdev=/dev/ram mach_options=ramdisk=8192 the sea.bin on the ftp site should simply do this for you..and the kernel in it is designed to use normal dhcp on port 67/68. Lets try that for now.. then set up the server.. which can be any pc using regular ltsp.. this part takes about five minutes when you get usded to it..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Feb 27 14:19:04 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:19:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenAFS In-Reply-To: <20040225164602.15078.28642.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040225164602.15078.28642.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <403F9876.2050209@saskforestcentre.ca> I was perusing an article about Linux kernel 2.6 and ran across the integration of OpenAFS within the 2.6 kernel. OpenAFS is a filesystem that provides a distributed server environment, allowing for multiple servers on the filesystem. It has the ability to allow failure of a file server to not bring down the file sevice. It also allows detached computing for transient (laptop) users. OpenAFS (and it's predecessors) bring the file server environment in line with what Windows users get with "Make Available Offline", which we use extensively in our shop. Files are transparently available and you can use them freely wherever you are, connected or not. I was thinking of setting up an OpenAFS server system here, and thought that others in the K12LTSP community might think it was useful, too. I guess I am looking for thoughts from the various members on the list about what you think of a service like that. I know that I find the Windows version of the same thing absolutely invaluable, as a user, and as a sysadmin. The loss of a laptop to airport theives didn't mean we'd lost the entire project document tree. The other component of this is that a large installation with multiple LTSP servers could use those servers for file service too, as a transparent backup in the case of the loss of the central file server. Any thoughts? Angus Carr. From robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com Fri Feb 27 14:21:05 2004 From: robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com (Robert Harrelson) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:21:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] TextMaker on LTSP Message-ID: <1077909739.14641.92.camel@symbiont01> Hello, I'm evaluating textmaker as an alternative word processor for LTSP in an office environment. $49 per copy, so it's not free, don't know about multi-license or educational discounts. It's very fast, seems to use about 5-MB of memory, and in limited testing seems to handle word files well. Also opened a couple of Word Perfect docs without a problem, though the docs were very simple and the company don't advertise Word Perfect compatibility. Most important from my perspective, styles seem to perform properly, which has not been my experience in the latest version of AbiWord. But there's a significant issue I'm hoping one of you could possibly shed some light on. When you type at a thin client there is a noticeable delay between hitting the key and seeing the letter appear on the screen. If you type moderately fast, you can get several letters or a full word or more ahead of yourself. This is not the case when logged in at the console. Has anyone seen this behavior in other apps? Any suggestions on what might cause this or how to overcome it? (I've posted this on the vendor's forum at http://softmaker.de/index_en.htm) Thanks, Robert -- Robert Harrelson Inside Washington Publishers 703-416-8505 800-424-9068 robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 27 14:26:14 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:26:14 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <200402271830.i1RIUne20811@downeast.net> how far did it get?ususally it says something about adb just before it pivot roots...anyway..for the server..you have something like YDL-NFS-2.3.tar put that in a folder called /opt/ltsp/ppc on the server..then tar -xvf YDL-2.3.NFS.tasr.. should unpack the file system nfs mounts...check your exports file which usually mentions /opt/ltsp/i386..change that to just /opt/ltsp so the server allows read only mount of /opt/ltsp/ppc....leave the option rootpath in dhcpd .conf slone as the kernel will translate the path to /opt/ltsp/ppc.. there a couple errors in the /opt/ltsp/ppc... one is to rename the existing XF86Config-4 so it is never used.. the other is a symbolic link ln -s /tmp/XF86COnfig /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/X11/XF86Config... Then all you have to do is put XF86Config.5260 and XF86Config.6100 into /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc as well as a sample lts.conf > > # [Default] SERVER = 10.10.10.254 # These two go together #XSERVER = XF68_FBDev XSERVER = fbdev XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config.5200 RAMDISK_SIZE = 1024 LOCAL_SWAP = Y LOCAL_SWAP_PART = "/dev/hda6" #LOCAL_SWAP_PART = "/dev/sda6" SWAPFILE_SIZE = 100000 KEYMAP = "/etc/default.kmap" KEYCODES_LINUX = Y USE_XFS = Y #USE_LOCAL_XFS = Y LOCAL_APPS = N RUNLEVEL = 5 VIDEO_MODE = 13 #NTP_SERVER = 10.10.10.254 >I am not 100% sure the kernel will work for you..and if video modes are screwy there is a prog called fbset which when put with in /opt/ltsp/ppc can be run to determine correct video modes.. chuck > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 27 14:27:00 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:27:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <200402271831.i1RIV6e20853@downeast.net> how far did it get?ususally it says something about adb just before it pivot roots...anyway..for the server..you have something like YDL-NFS-2.3.tar put that in a folder called /opt/ltsp/ppc on the server..then tar -xvf YDL-2.3.NFS.tasr.. should unpack the file system nfs mounts...check your exports file which usually mentions /opt/ltsp/i386..change that to just /opt/ltsp so the server allows read only mount of /opt/ltsp/ppc....leave the option rootpath in dhcpd .conf slone as the kernel will translate the path to /opt/ltsp/ppc.. there a couple errors in the /opt/ltsp/ppc... one is to rename the existing XF86Config-4 so it is never used.. the other is a symbolic link ln -s /tmp/XF86COnfig /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/X11/XF86Config... Then all you have to do is put XF86Config.5260 and XF86Config.6100 into /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc as well as a sample lts.conf > > # [Default] SERVER = 10.10.10.254 # These two go together #XSERVER = XF68_FBDev XSERVER = fbdev XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config.5200 RAMDISK_SIZE = 1024 LOCAL_SWAP = Y LOCAL_SWAP_PART = "/dev/hda6" #LOCAL_SWAP_PART = "/dev/sda6" SWAPFILE_SIZE = 100000 KEYMAP = "/etc/default.kmap" KEYCODES_LINUX = Y USE_XFS = Y #USE_LOCAL_XFS = Y LOCAL_APPS = N RUNLEVEL = 5 VIDEO_MODE = 13 #NTP_SERVER = 10.10.10.254 >I am not 100% sure the kernel will work for you..and if video modes are screwy there is a prog called fbset which when put with in /opt/ltsp/ppc can be run to determine correct video modes.. chuck > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 14:28:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:28:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <001601c3fd65$4d6673b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001701c3fd68$18b64390$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Chuck, to give you an idea of where the 5500 is this is the last text I see on the screen: Pmac_init(): exit Id mach(): done MMU: enter MMU: hw init MMU: mapin MMU: setio Then it just sits there. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:10 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Okay Chuck, I have a 5500/250 loaded up with 7.6.1 and installed Skip's sea.bin image...machine reboots and gives me the boot menu then defaults after a few seconds to Linux...starts to boot gives me some crap on the screen then seems to stop. No prompt or anything. Is the next step the server? My current test server is LTSP 3.1.2 as I have trouble with 4 yet due to smp issues. I see all of the different confs from Skip in the folder from the ftp site you sent me previous...my bet is we need to mess with these next. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:15 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Jim...ok..can you take a machine with os7.6.1 on it...In my setup we have 600meg hard drives..i use half for a ghoat and leave the other for swaop space..it is not necessary to do this..Once yo have 7.6.1 (even 7.5.3 will work) you need to have stuffit expander on the client as well. stuffit expander needs to have its preference set to expand to a folder on the Macintosh .i start appletalk on a linux machine (a pc is fine)and create a user named ltsp with password ltsp and put machkernelskipslatest.gz in it. Then from the chooser i connect to the linux machine as ltsp pw ltsp.. i drop machkernelskipslatest.gz on stuffit and it unpacks (hopefully cleanly) on to the mac as machkernelskipslatest.. i rename it to Mach Kernel and put it in extensions folder.. the mklinux booter has four pieces you need..the controlpanel goes in control panel..lilo.conf and mklinus.prefs go in preference..mklinux booter goes in extensions as well.. That should set up the Macintosh to double boot...check to be sure that lilo.conf has these options rootdev=/dev/ram mach_options=ramdisk=8192 the sea.bin on the ftp site should simply do this for you..and the kernel in it is designed to use normal dhcp on port 67/68. Lets try that for now.. then set up the server.. which can be any pc using regular ltsp.. this part takes about five minutes when you get usded to it..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From jim at rossberry.com Fri Feb 27 14:35:02 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:35:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGroupware.org / eDirectory In-Reply-To: <1077890474.11150.4.camel@localhost> References: <1077890474.11150.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: At my day job (a large national bank) we run eDirectory on Solaris boxes. The directory folks have tested it on Linux (RHAS2.1) and say it flies. This is for a very large directory (100k+) with a very diverse client base. Not sure about how hard it is to install/etc from a standing start though. On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Justin Paulsen wrote: > Has anyone here ever played with OpenGroupware.org? If so how did it > work? > > Also has anyone here setup eDirectory for Linux and if so how do you > like it? And is it easy to get Linux clients to authenticate from it? > > Thanks, > > J. Paulsen > IT Coordinator > Frederic School District > paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us > (715) 327-4223 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 27 14:39:01 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:39:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <200402271843.i1RIhIe22791@downeast.net> Jiom with any luck the prob is that in apple--.control panel--->memory there is something about virtual memory on..it needs to be off....got memory enough?? chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 27 14:43:02 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:43:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <200402271847.i1RIlEe23490@downeast.net> what does that have for a network card?the sonic won't work..a daynacard will..i can send you one if need be..chuck > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 14:44:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:44:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <200402271843.i1RIhIe22791@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001801c3fd6a$5e313630$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I'll turn it off, this particular machine has 72MB so it should have plenty. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:45 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Jiom with any luck the prob is that in apple--.control panel--->memory there is something about virtual memory on..it needs to be off....got memory enough?? chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 14:53:03 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:53:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <200402271847.i1RIlEe23490@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001901c3fd6b$a9174b70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I turned off virtual memory in Apple:Control Panels:Memory and it hangs in the same spot. The NIC is an Apple Ethernet CS II. I have a Asante Tech card with a SMC chipset on my desk, should I try that? I could always try another machine as well. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:49 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question what does that have for a network card?the sonic won't work..a daynacard will..i can send you one if need be..chuck > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 27 14:55:01 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:55:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <200402271859.i1RIxLe25565@downeast.net> so it is a pci slot board..i have a 5400 in front of me with a winbnd card in it...god willing the kernel will recognize the card.....chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 27 14:57:13 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Feb 27 14:57:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <200402271901.i1RJ14e25818@downeast.net> what does yellowdog say about ethernet???that should give a cklue > I turned off virtual memory in Apple:Control Panels:Memory and it hangs > in the same spot. The NIC is an Apple Ethernet CS II. I have a Asante > Tech card with a SMC chipset on my desk, should I try that? I could > always try another machine as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of cliebow at downeast.net > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:49 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question > > > what does that have for a network card?the sonic won't work..a daynacard > will..i can send you one if need be..chuck > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 27 15:02:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Feb 27 15:02:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <200402271901.i1RJ14e25818@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001a01c3fd6c$e482f9b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> It looks like all of our 5XXX generation machines either have the Apple Ethernet CS II or a Sonic. So you are thinking of checking yellow dog compatibility for support of the CS II? I'll check it out. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:03 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question what does yellowdog say about ethernet???that should give a cklue > I turned off virtual memory in Apple:Control Panels:Memory and it > hangs > in the same spot. The NIC is an Apple Ethernet CS II. I have a Asante > Tech card with a SMC chipset on my desk, should I try that? I could > always try another machine as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of cliebow at downeast.net > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:49 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question > > > what does that have for a network card?the sonic won't work..a daynacard > will..i can send you one if need be..chuck > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Feb 27 15:46:00 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Feb 27 15:46:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question Message-ID: <200402271950.i1RJoFe03577@downeast.net> best i can tell mllinux booter is not doing its thing if you see no penguin...check syntax in lilo.conf....chuck rootdev=/dev/ram mach_options=ramdisk=8192 caps or anything differnet screws it up...might have to ship you another mklinux booter or put it on ftp site.. all for npw..best of luck chuck > It looks like all of our 5XXX generation machines either have the Apple > Ethernet CS II or a Sonic. So you are thinking of checking yellow dog > compatibility for support of the CS II? I'll check it out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of cliebow at downeast.net > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:03 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question > > > what does yellowdog say about ethernet???that should give a cklue > > I turned off virtual memory in Apple:Control Panels:Memory and it > > hangs > > in the same spot. The NIC is an Apple Ethernet CS II. I have a Asante > > > Tech card with a SMC chipset on my desk, should I try that? I could > > always try another machine as well. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On > Behalf > > Of cliebow at downeast.net > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:49 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question > > > > > > what does that have for a network card?the sonic won't work..a > daynacard > > will..i can send you one if need be..chuck > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Fri Feb 27 16:51:09 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Fri Feb 27 16:51:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <000a01c3fd43$59de8fa0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000a01c3fd43$59de8fa0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1077918677.3518.11.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> the trick is not to top post.. ;-) Quoting correctly preserves the flow of the conversation. /steve On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 04:06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I get confused who is responding to who on this list sometimes :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Christopher K. Johnson > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:40 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >Wouldn???t the following two commands > >0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethout 1 -i eth1 -j DENY > >0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethin 1 -i eth1 -j DENY Completely disable > > >the interface on all ports? I assumed if I ran this on the local > >(Green Network for IPCop) it would disable routing completely. I am > >not looking for a port specific block, just an entire shutdown. > >Otherwise they will still be up all night on file sharing networks > >downloading stolen music and porn while instant messaging each other > >about what so and so said at school today. I want the network dead > >during off hours. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On > >Behalf Of Christopher K. Johnson > >Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:47 AM > >To: k12osn at redhat.com > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time > > > > > >aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > > > > > > > >>Jim I use the cron tab interface in webmin to make my cron tab jobs. > >>That's a neat idea overall - Closing internet in/out traffic would be > >>a nice tool. We get a peer-to-peer issue now and then. > >> > >>Has anyone had a student connect to their PC at home via VNC ? Should > > >>I be concerned ? Ideas on how to squash it ? > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Tom Ventresco > >> > >> > > > >You can complicate such access but you cannot block it. Any unproxied > >service or even ssl-based proxied service can be used to tunnel such > >access. For instance if you permit access to https then the student > >just has to make their home vnc listen on port 443, or their sshd and > >tunnel their vnc connection to do it securely even. > > > >So you can block ports in 5900-59xx and port 22 if you want to, but > >chances are they will find an alternative, and you will merely have > >complicated your own vnc and ssh access to outside systems. > > > > > > > My "You can complicate..." response was in reply to the "Has anyone had > a student connect to their PC at home via VNC?...how to squash it" > inquiry. If all traffic is disabled, that would of course disable access > to vnc > and all alternative services on outside hosts. From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Fri Feb 27 17:00:01 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Fri Feb 27 17:00:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: <000b01c3fd43$d1acba20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000b01c3fd43$d1acba20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1077919304.3518.21.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 04:10, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Wow! I never thought I would see Linux prices reach that of > Microsoft...at least not this soon. I wonder if this has to do with all > of the hype with IBM. I can't imagine there is any Linux option out > there that is polished enough for a standard end user to justify that > price. wha???? You surprise me Jim.. Linux is very very good these days. I don't get people (not you) offering Linux for free as if it's some low quality 2nd-runner.. grr.. I use Linux because I *like* it. A building full of Linux is a techo's dreeeeeem.. it's real networking, and everything just flows and works. Just ssh, pre-shared keys and X.. well, nuff sed. /steve From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Fri Feb 27 17:09:53 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Fri Feb 27 17:09:53 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenAFS In-Reply-To: <403F9876.2050209@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <20040225164602.15078.28642.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <403F9876.2050209@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <1077919792.3518.27.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 08:20, Angus Carr wrote: > > I was thinking of setting up an OpenAFS server system here, and thought > that others in the K12LTSP community might think it was useful, too. I > guess I am looking for thoughts from the various members on the list > about what you think of a service like that. I had an application for a DFS a while back (I forget what exactly) but I remember that the OpenAFS stuff was atrocious... What a mission it was, and even then it was flaky as hell.. > I know that I find the > Windows version of the same thing absolutely invaluable, as a user, and > as a sysadmin. The loss of a laptop to airport theives didn't mean we'd > lost the entire project document tree. Apache+WebDAV is probably what you need, or Apache+FrontPage Extensions. > The other component of this is that a large installation with multiple > LTSP servers could use those servers for file service too, as a > transparent backup in the case of the loss of the central file server. hmmm, It's not going to be particularly solid, IMO. best, Steve From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Feb 27 17:14:34 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri Feb 27 17:14:34 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenAFS In-Reply-To: <1077919792.3518.27.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <20040225164602.15078.28642.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <403F9876.2050209@saskforestcentre.ca> <1077919792.3518.27.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1077920165.10333.2.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 03:09, Steve Wright wrote: > On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 08:20, Angus Carr wrote: > > > > I was thinking of setting up an OpenAFS server system here, and thought > > that others in the K12LTSP community might think it was useful, too. I > > guess I am looking for thoughts from the various members on the list > > about what you think of a service like that. > I had an application for a DFS a while back (I forget what exactly) but > I remember that the OpenAFS stuff was atrocious... What a mission it > was, and even then it was flaky as hell.. I second the "approach with caution" sentiment. I tried working with OpenAFS about 18 months ago, and "flaky as hell" sums up my experience quite nicely as well. Unless they have made some big improvements, be afraid, very very afraid. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Fri Feb 27 17:18:01 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Hedblom Daniel) Date: Fri Feb 27 17:18:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard not working after upgrade. Message-ID: <04Feb27.230814cet.87179@fw01.solleftea.se> Hello fellow ltsp's =) I have stumbled onto a problem at work. I did a test upgrade to ltsp 4 and 3 of the computers out of 19 didnt want to recognize the keyboards in X windows after the upgrade. They just state that no keyboard is stated in XF86config. The keyboards worked nicely before the upgrade and responds on the keyboards in terminal mode, its just X that doesnt see them or the script that misses to config them. They are normal ps/2 keyboards, nothing unusual. Next week is sports break and i would love to have this issue sorted out since i will upgrade when the school is empty. Anyone else who have seen this or know where i should look for clues? All help is much appriciated =) PS. Ltsp 4 looks really nice aside from this only issue DS. ----------------------- Daniel Hedblom Sysadmin Nipan School District Sollefte? Sweden +46073-0639090 ----------------------- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 27 18:46:35 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri Feb 27 18:46:35 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard not working after upgrade. In-Reply-To: <04Feb27.230814cet.87179@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Feb27.230814cet.87179@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <1077925615.15653.120.camel@server.ltsp> Is this the error you are seeing: http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4-errata.html Either follow the instructions on the ltsp errata page or run "yum upgrade" to download the K12LTSP 4.0.1 packages that include this fix. -Eric On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 14:02, Hedblom Daniel wrote: > Hello fellow ltsp's =) > > I have stumbled onto a problem at work. I did a test upgrade to ltsp 4 > and 3 of the computers out of 19 didnt want to recognize the keyboards > in X windows after the upgrade. They just state that no keyboard is > stated in XF86config. The keyboards worked nicely before the upgrade and > responds on the keyboards in terminal mode, its just X that doesnt see > them or the script that misses to config them. They are normal ps/2 > keyboards, nothing unusual. Next week is sports break and i would love > to have this issue sorted out since i will upgrade when the school is > empty. Anyone else who have seen this or know where i should look for > clues? > > All help is much appriciated =) > > PS. Ltsp 4 looks really nice aside from this only issue DS. > > ----------------------- > Daniel Hedblom > Sysadmin > Nipan School District > Sollefte?? > Sweden > +46073-0639090 > ----------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ckacoroski at nsd.org Fri Feb 27 19:28:00 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Fri Feb 27 19:28:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI - results on new 3ware card In-Reply-To: <1077763735.4078.22.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1077131920.4702.27.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> <1077763735.4078.22.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <243891AC-6985-11D8-B69F-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Hi, I got my new system with the following specs: - 3ware controller #1 with (2) sata drives in mirrored config as system disk - 3ware controller #2 with (9) sata drives in raid 5 split into 2 912GB partitions (sdb1 & sdb2) - Redhat AS3 with all the patches (2.4.21-9.0.1.ELsmp kernel) - Dual Xeon 2.4Ghz cpus with hyperthreading so they look like four processors and the results I get with hdparm -tT when run individually are: /dev/sdb2: Timing buffer-cache reads: 2440 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1220 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in 3.01 seconds = 43.85 MB/sec /dev/sdb1: Timing buffer-cache reads: 2436 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1218 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in 3.03 seconds = 43.56 MB/sec /dev/vg00/lvRoot: Timing buffer-cache reads: 2228 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1214 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 110 MB in 3.03 seconds = 36.30 MB/sec when I run them at the same time, the results drop to: /dev/sdb2: Timing buffer-cache reads: 1760 MB in 2.00 seconds = 880 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 102 MB in 3.14 seconds = 31.19 MB/sec /dev/sdb1: Timing buffer-cache reads: 1780 MB in 2.00 seconds = 890 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 98 MB in 3.03 seconds = 32.34 MB/sec /dev/vg00/lvRoot: Timing buffer-cache reads: 1200 MB in 2.00 seconds = 600 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 108 MB in 3.00 seconds = 36.00 MB/sec To me the interesting thing is that the system partition also slows down even though it is on a separate 3ware card. I plan to do some more extensive testing next week, but initially it looks like it will keep up with a scsi based system. -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 On Feb 25, 2004, at 6:48 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: From kmeyer at blarg.net Fri Feb 27 20:03:35 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Fri Feb 27 20:03:35 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI - results on new 3ware card References: <1077131920.4702.27.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> <1077763735.4078.22.camel@server.ltsp> <243891AC-6985-11D8-B69F-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <018101c3fd96$d0dd6d80$692a1318@attbi.com> Ski -- What SATA drives? Ken Meyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Kacoroski To: Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI - results on new 3ware card > Hi, > > I got my new system with the following specs: > - 3ware controller #1 with (2) sata drives in mirrored config as system > disk > - 3ware controller #2 with (9) sata drives in raid 5 split into 2 912GB > partitions (sdb1 & sdb2) > - Redhat AS3 with all the patches (2.4.21-9.0.1.ELsmp kernel) > - Dual Xeon 2.4Ghz cpus with hyperthreading so they look like four > processors > > and the results I get with hdparm -tT when run individually are: > > /dev/sdb2: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 2440 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1220 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in 3.01 seconds = 43.85 MB/sec > > /dev/sdb1: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 2436 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1218 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in 3.03 seconds = 43.56 MB/sec > > /dev/vg00/lvRoot: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 2228 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1214 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 110 MB in 3.03 seconds = 36.30 MB/sec > > when I run them at the same time, the results drop to: > > /dev/sdb2: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 1760 MB in 2.00 seconds = 880 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 102 MB in 3.14 seconds = 31.19 MB/sec > > /dev/sdb1: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 1780 MB in 2.00 seconds = 890 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 98 MB in 3.03 seconds = 32.34 MB/sec > > /dev/vg00/lvRoot: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 1200 MB in 2.00 seconds = 600 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 108 MB in 3.00 seconds = 36.00 MB/sec > > To me the interesting thing is that the system partition also slows > down even though it is on a separate 3ware card. I plan to do some > more extensive testing next week, but initially it looks like it will > keep up with a scsi based system. > > -- > "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it > connected to the entire universe" John Muir > > Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From ckacoroski at nsd.org Fri Feb 27 20:14:00 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Fri Feb 27 20:14:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI - results on new 3ware card In-Reply-To: <018101c3fd96$d0dd6d80$692a1318@attbi.com> References: <1077131920.4702.27.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> <1077763735.4078.22.camel@server.ltsp> <243891AC-6985-11D8-B69F-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> <018101c3fd96$d0dd6d80$692a1318@attbi.com> Message-ID: They are standard Western Digital 7200 RPM SATA drives (250GB each). I have not had a change to test the system with the 10K WD raptors yet (next week). cheers, ski On Feb 27, 2004, at 5:04 PM, Ken Meyer wrote: > Ski -- > > What SATA drives? > > Ken Meyer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chris Kacoroski > To: > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI - results on new > 3ware > card > > >> Hi, >> >> I got my new system with the following specs: > >> - 3ware controller #1 with (2) sata drives in mirrored config as >> system >> disk > >> - 3ware controller #2 with (9) sata drives in raid 5 split into 2 >> 912GB >> partitions (sdb1 & sdb2) > >> - Redhat AS3 with all the patches (2.4.21-9.0.1.ELsmp kernel) > >> - Dual Xeon 2.4Ghz cpus with hyperthreading so they look like four >> processors >> >> and the results I get with hdparm -tT when run individually are: >> >> /dev/sdb2: > >> Timing buffer-cache reads: 2440 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1220 MB/sec >> Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in 3.01 seconds = 43.85 MB/sec >> >> /dev/sdb1: > >> Timing buffer-cache reads: 2436 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1218 MB/sec >> Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in 3.03 seconds = 43.56 MB/sec >> >> /dev/vg00/lvRoot: > >> Timing buffer-cache reads: 2228 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1214 MB/sec >> Timing buffered disk reads: 110 MB in 3.03 seconds = 36.30 MB/sec >> >> when I run them at the same time, the results drop to: >> >> /dev/sdb2: > >> Timing buffer-cache reads: 1760 MB in 2.00 seconds = 880 MB/sec >> Timing buffered disk reads: 102 MB in 3.14 seconds = 31.19 MB/sec >> >> /dev/sdb1: > >> Timing buffer-cache reads: 1780 MB in 2.00 seconds = 890 MB/sec >> Timing buffered disk reads: 98 MB in 3.03 seconds = 32.34 MB/sec >> >> /dev/vg00/lvRoot: >> Timing buffer-cache reads: 1200 MB in 2.00 seconds = 600 MB/sec >> Timing buffered disk reads: 108 MB in 3.00 seconds = 36.00 MB/sec >> >> To me the interesting thing is that the system partition also slows >> down even though it is on a separate 3ware card. I plan to do some >> more extensive testing next week, but initially it looks like it will >> keep up with a scsi based system. >> >> -- >> "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it >> connected to the entire universe" John Muir >> >> Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Feb 27 20:26:02 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri Feb 27 20:26:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI - results on new 3ware card In-Reply-To: <243891AC-6985-11D8-B69F-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> References: <1077131920.4702.27.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> <1077763735.4078.22.camel@server.ltsp> <243891AC-6985-11D8-B69F-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <1077931686.7365.162.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 16:29, Chris Kacoroski wrote: > I plan to do some more extensive testing next week, but initially it > looks like it will keep up with a scsi based system. Can you try something like(*): while true do cat big-file > /dev/null done and simultaneously do: cd /usr/src/linux-2.4 time find . -type f -exec cat '{}' ';' > /dev/null Supposedly one of the big benefits of SCSI is relatively intelligent ordering of IO. This ought to provide more graceful degradation of performance in a heavy multiuser environment w/ lots of simultaneous competing IO. hdparm just does a single sequential read. * Pinched from Robert Love's article on IO scheduling in the 2.6 kernel: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6931 -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 27 20:51:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri Feb 27 20:51:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI - results on new 3ware card In-Reply-To: References: <1077131920.4702.27.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> <1077763735.4078.22.camel@server.ltsp> <243891AC-6985-11D8-B69F-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> <018101c3fd96$d0dd6d80$692a1318@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1077933132.19573.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 19:15, Chris Kacoroski wrote: > They are standard Western Digital 7200 RPM SATA drives (250GB each). I > have not had a change to test the system with the 10K WD raptors yet > (next week). Can you give the 'Postmark' benchmark a shot? http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3022.html It attempts to simulate real-world activity of small file creation/deletion like you have in a multiuser environment. I used it a few years ago to convince myself that it was worth using reiserfs for /var even though it was relatively new at the time. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From info at proex-india.com Fri Feb 27 23:46:02 2004 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Fri Feb 27 23:46:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] URGENT:::DOS booting from DHCP with PXE CARD problem Message-ID: <200402280448.i1S4m0b02732@mx1.redhat.com> Hello, I am able to Boot Dos Client with Etherboot , where in i get options from the DHCP server to boot DOS or Linux , But When i try to do through PXE network card i don;t get options. What DHCP options i have to define with PXe , option-128 , option-129 etc. My card is onboard with RTL8139 chip Please do the needful as early as possible. Regards K.Dinesh ********************* In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? ********************* From info at proex-india.com Fri Feb 27 23:54:41 2004 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Fri Feb 27 23:54:41 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [Ltsp-discuss] URGENT:::DOS booting from DHCP with PXE CARD problem Message-ID: Hello, I am able to Boot Dos Client with Etherboot , where in i get options from the DHCP server to boot DOS or Linux , But When i try to do through PXE network card i don;t get options. What DHCP options i have to define with PXe , option-128 , option-129 etc. My card is onboard with RTL8139 chip Please do the needful as early as possible. Regards K.Dinesh ********************* In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? ********************* ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps & Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356&alloc_id=3438&op=click _____________________________________________________________________ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net From jam at mcquil.com Sat Feb 28 00:00:03 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Sat Feb 28 00:00:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] URGENT:::DOS booting from DHCP with PXE CARD problem In-Reply-To: <200402280459.i1S4xqr04832@BigDog.mcquil.com> Message-ID: K.Dinesh, PXE does NOT use option-128 or option-129. If you want to pass options to the kernel, you need to do that in the pxe config file. Take a look at http://www.ltsp.org/README.pxe for more info. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, info wrote: > > Hello, > I am able to Boot Dos Client with Etherboot , where in i get options > from the DHCP server to boot DOS or Linux , > > But When i try to do through PXE network card i don;t get options. > > What DHCP options i have to define with PXe , option-128 , option-129 > etc. My card is onboard with RTL8139 chip > > Please do the needful as early as possible. > Regards > K.Dinesh > ********************* > In a World Without > Fences > Who Needs > GATES ? > ********************* > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. > Build and deploy apps & Web services for Linux with > a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356&alloc_id=3438&op=click > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > From jam at McQuil.Com Sat Feb 28 00:08:04 2004 From: jam at McQuil.Com (jam at McQuil.Com) Date: Sat Feb 28 00:08:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] URGENT:::DOS booting from DHCP with PXE CARD problem In-Reply-To: <200402280459.i1S4xqr04832@BigDog.mcquil.com> Message-ID: K.Dinesh, PXE does NOT use option-128 or option-129. If you want to pass options to the kernel, you need to do that in the pxe config file. Take a look at http://www.ltsp.org/README.pxe for more info. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, info wrote: > > Hello, > I am able to Boot Dos Client with Etherboot , where in i get options > from the DHCP server to boot DOS or Linux , > > But When i try to do through PXE network card i don;t get options. > > What DHCP options i have to define with PXe , option-128 , option-129 > etc. My card is onboard with RTL8139 chip > > Please do the needful as early as possible. > Regards > K.Dinesh > ********************* > In a World Without > Fences > Who Needs > GATES ? > ********************* > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. > Build and deploy apps & Web services for Linux with > a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356&alloc_id=3438&op=click > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps & Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356&alloc_id=3438&op=click _____________________________________________________________________ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net From info at proex-india.com Sat Feb 28 00:31:02 2004 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Sat Feb 28 00:31:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <200402280532.i1S5Wfb11866@mx1.redhat.com> Thanks Jim, Actually i am not booting the PXE Linux , The network card is PXe bootable. I can boot the ltsp kernel with the specified dhcp changes in 3.0 version. I want to boot multiple boot-images such as dos You have the DOS + Mand+linux howto in contrib area. The situation is same , i would like to the same. THe DHCP will ask for Two Options a) Novell-dos b) LTSP -Linux My problem is , when i use pxe card the above options are not displayed . but when i used nework card with etherboot eeeprom , the options are displayed. The Docuement says that u have to use the magic number at line option option-128. With pxe what settings i have to do in dhcpd.conf file Thanks once again regards K.Dinesh From jam at mcquil.com Sat Feb 28 00:35:16 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Sat Feb 28 00:35:16 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <200402280532.i1S5WLr05201@BigDog.mcquil.com> Message-ID: K.Dinesh, I have no clue, because you are booting DOS. This is a LTSP list. We are booting Linux kernels, not DOS. Jim. On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, info wrote: > Thanks Jim, > > Actually i am not booting the PXE Linux , > The network card is PXe bootable. > I can boot the ltsp kernel with the specified dhcp changes in 3.0 version. > > I want to boot multiple boot-images such as dos > You have the DOS + Mand+linux howto in contrib area. > The situation is same , i would like to the same. > > THe DHCP will ask for Two Options > a) Novell-dos > b) LTSP -Linux > > My problem is , when i use pxe card the above options are not displayed > . but when i used nework card with etherboot eeeprom , the options are > displayed. > The Docuement says that u have to use the magic number at line option > option-128. > > With pxe what settings i have to do in dhcpd.conf file > > Thanks once again > regards > K.Dinesh > > From info at proex-india.com Sat Feb 28 00:37:00 2004 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Sat Feb 28 00:37:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:URGENT:::DOS booting from DHCP with PXE CARD problem Message-ID: <200402280538.i1S5cIb12713@mx1.redhat.com> Thanks Jim, Actually i am not booting the PXE Linux , The network card is PXe bootable. I can boot the ltsp kernel with the specified dhcp changes in 3.0 version. I want to boot multiple boot-images such as dos You have the DOS + Mand+linux howto in contrib area. The situation is same , i would like to the same. THe DHCP will ask for Two Options a) Novell-dos b) LTSP -Linux My problem is , when i use pxe card the above options are not displayed . but when i used nework card with etherboot eeeprom , the options are displayed. The Docuement says that u have to use the magic number at line option option-128. With pxe what settings i have to do in dhcpd.conf file Thanks once again regards K.Dinesh From gbricker at GREENON.K12.OH.US Sat Feb 28 00:55:00 2004 From: gbricker at GREENON.K12.OH.US (Gary Bricker) Date: Sat Feb 28 00:55:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Tape Backup Software Message-ID: <7A87DB38C8509E44ACE117A836FD662BD61B@exchange.GREENON.K12.OH.US> Does anyone have any recommendations for tape backup software? Gary Bricker Tech Support Team Greenon Local Schools -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2655 bytes Desc: not available URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat Feb 28 01:00:09 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat Feb 28 01:00:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] eth alias help In-Reply-To: <1077825330.23355.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <61010.170.211.161.223.1077814721.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <1077825330.23355.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1077948110.19964.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 13:55, Steve Wright wrote: > > Ok....Right now in my mail server I have 2 separate 10/100 nics recieving mail > > for 2 separate domains. If I take those out and put one gig nic in...can I > > create an alias (like eth 0:1) for the other domain and have things work like > > normal from the same nic? I assume I can but want to make sure. > > > Yes, you can, but it is the old way to do it. But RedHat/Fedora systems have a handy GUI tool for interfaces and aliases in redhat-config-network, and if you use it the ifup/ifdown wrappers work and you can set it up to automatically start at bootup. > Simply add both addresses to the interface. The interface will > establish itself as usual, and then add the secondary IP address > directly, thusly ; > > > # ip address add 192.168.n.254/24 dev eth0 The one thing I have sometimes had trouble with is that with multiple addresses on the same subnet the 'wrong' one may be used as the source address on outbound connections. Is there a way to control that? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Feb 28 01:17:00 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat Feb 28 01:17:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Limit Network Access by time In-Reply-To: <1077891701.18297.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <000901c3fd3b$651aaa50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1077891701.18297.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1077949082.4691.16.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 19:51, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 08:09, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Wouldn???t the following two commands > > 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethout 1 -i eth1 -j DENY > > 0 23 * * * /sbin/ipchains -I ethin 1 -i eth1 -j DENY > > Completely disable the interface on all ports? I assumed if I ran this > > on the local (Green Network for IPCop) it would disable routing > On a RedHat based system you should be able to run > ifdown interface > ifup interface > to completely deactivate it, and the ifup script > will deal with picking up a DHCP address if needed. > If you drop the inside interface you could still > receive inbound email, etc. Been doing exactly that through my crontab file. No problems. Local network and services are up but outside interface is down. No switch timers etc etc. AND satisfy the geek in you ;-) -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Sat Feb 28 01:23:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat Feb 28 01:23:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Tape Backup Software In-Reply-To: <7A87DB38C8509E44ACE117A836FD662BD61B@exchange.GREENON.K12.OH.US> References: <7A87DB38C8509E44ACE117A836FD662BD61B@exchange.GREENON.K12.OH.US> Message-ID: <1077949455.19964.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 23:57, Gary Bricker wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations for tape backup software? > It depends on what you want. Amanda has a fairly horrible user interface but once you get it set up all you ever have to do is change tapes sometime during the day and it sends email about any problems. If you forget to change the tape it will save the dumps on a holding disk where you can flush them later. I use it for tapes that get rotated offsite, but also run backuppc which keeps compressed copies on disk for easy access with a web browser. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Sat Feb 28 02:31:01 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Hedblom Daniel) Date: Sat Feb 28 02:31:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard not working after upgrade. Message-ID: <04Feb28.082243cet.87303@fw01.solleftea.se> Yes thats it! The lesson for me here be read the docs first i assume. Thanks Eric =) /daniel ----------------------- Daniel Hedblom Sysadmin Nipan School District Sollefte? Sweden +46073-0639090 ----------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Eric Harrison Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:46:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Keyboard not working after upgrade. > > Is this the error you are seeing: > > http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4-errata.html > > Either follow the instructions on the ltsp errata page or run "yum > upgrade" to download the K12LTSP 4.0.1 packages that include this > fix. > > -Eric > > > On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 14:02, Hedblom Daniel wrote: > > Hello fellow ltsp's =) > > > > I have stumbled onto a problem at work. I did a test upgrade to > ltsp 4 > > and 3 of the computers out of 19 didnt want to recognize the > keyboards > > in X windows after the upgrade. They just state that no keyboard is > > stated in XF86config. The keyboards worked nicely before the > upgrade and > > responds on the keyboards in terminal mode, its just X that doesnt > see > > them or the script that misses to config them. They are normal ps/2 > > keyboards, nothing unusual. Next week is sports break and i would > love > > to have this issue sorted out since i will upgrade when the school > is > > empty. Anyone else who have seen this or know where i should look > for > > clues? > > > > All help is much appriciated =) > > > > PS. Ltsp 4 looks really nice aside from this only issue DS. > > > > ----------------------- > > Daniel Hedblom > > Sysadmin > > Nipan School District > > Sollefte?? > > Sweden > > +46073-0639090 > > ----------------------- > > From mellax at pm.ee Sun Feb 29 21:44:41 2004 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Sun Feb 29 21:44:41 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI - results on new 3ware card In-Reply-To: <20040228050003.25894.16113.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040228050003.25894.16113.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <404064F3.7070403@pm.ee> From: Chris Kacoroski > and the results I get with hdparm -tT when run individually are: > >/dev/sdb2: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 2440 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1220 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in 3.01 seconds = 43.85 MB/sec My configuration: Intel SRCZCR SCSI ADD-ON RAID controller, 3x Atlas 10K IV/73GB U320 SCSI HDD. /dev/sda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 2268 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1133.04 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 110 MB in 3.01 seconds = 36.54 MB/sec I have 40 powerusers on my LTSP server and I even don't think about using SATA disks. Despite of better hdparm results SATA drives have one big disadvantage. Think about parallel working on heavy loads. Yes, with 10-20 concurrent clients SATA is good enough. From andyr at wizzy.com Sun Feb 29 21:58:18 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun Feb 29 21:58:18 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy server can't connect In-Reply-To: <000001c3fbb1$9c27e7f0$0301a8c0@ella> References: <000001c3fbb1$9c27e7f0$0301a8c0@ella> Message-ID: <20040228124401.GA19284@wizzy.com> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Jeff Braumberger wrote: > Do you mean run the command ldconfig -r /opt/ltsp/i386 in a terminal? I > relatively new to networking and Linux. A root shell on the server. Do a regular thin client login, then "su -" to become root. Cheers, Andy! From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sun Feb 29 22:03:14 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sun Feb 29 22:03:14 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] eth alias help In-Reply-To: <1077948110.19964.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <61010.170.211.161.223.1077814721.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <1077825330.23355.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1077948110.19964.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4040A126.8040200@gwi.net> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 13:55, Steve Wright wrote: > > >>>Ok....Right now in my mail server I have 2 separate 10/100 nics recieving mail >>>for 2 separate domains. If I take those out and put one gig nic in...can I >>>create an alias (like eth 0:1) for the other domain and have things work like >>>normal from the same nic? I assume I can but want to make sure. >>> >>> >>Yes, you can, but it is the old way to do it. >> >> > >But RedHat/Fedora systems have a handy GUI tool for interfaces >and aliases in redhat-config-network, and if you use it >the ifup/ifdown wrappers work and you can set it up to >automatically start at bootup. > > > >>Simply add both addresses to the interface. The interface will >>establish itself as usual, and then add the secondary IP address >>directly, thusly ; >> >> >># ip address add 192.168.n.254/24 dev eth0 >> >> > >The one thing I have sometimes had trouble with is that >with multiple addresses on the same subnet the 'wrong' >one may be used as the source address on outbound >connections. Is there a way to control that? > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > Absolutely. Below are sample ifcfg-eth0 and ifcfg-eth0:0 that illustrate. The trick is in the NO_ALIASROUTING=yes parameter, which by putting it on the main interface, is an inherited setting on the aliased interfaces. -------- ifcfg-eth0 ----------- NAME="Public (insecure) Interface" DEVICE=eth0 IPADDR=x.x.x.x NETMASK=255.255.255.240 NETWORK=x.x.x.y BOOTPROTO=none ONBOOT=yes USERCTL=no NO_ALIASROUTING=yes -------- end ifcfg-eth0 -------- -------- ifcfg-eth0:0 ---------- NAME="Public (insecure) Interface - 1st Alternative Address" DEVICE=eth0:0 # Only the differences from base interface need be configured for alias IPADDR=x.x.x.z -------- end ifcfg-eth0:0 ------- Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Feb 29 22:08:14 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun Feb 29 22:08:14 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding users with Webmin - primer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4040B7E2.3070907@magic.fr> Alan, Very helpful! I was just wrestling with this! I added the link to the wiki page... http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Software%3AWebmin Denny Alan Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > Visit http://links.episd.org/LTSP/ if you are interested in perhaps > using Webmin as your tool to add a large amount of users, or to set up > 25 accounts for faculty/community training. > > In this short tutorial I've added a list that loads as user01, pwd: > mascot01, that could easily be tailored to the mascot of your preference > (find: mascot, replace: cougars (or whatever) in users2.txt file) > > Hope this helps someone out there > > Cheers > Alan A Hodson > Campus Technology Coordinator > El Paso ISD, TX > aahodson at episd.org > -=o=- > > Alan A Hodson MEd. > oF: 915-587-1172 > fX: 915-587-1161 > aahodson at episd.org > http://links.episd.org > Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the > moments that take our breath away > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- visit my site http://www.dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Sun Feb 29 22:14:03 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Sun Feb 29 22:14:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI - results on new 3ware card In-Reply-To: <404064F3.7070403@pm.ee> References: <20040228050003.25894.16113.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <404064F3.7070403@pm.ee> Message-ID: <4042AA6A.4020900@chartermi.net> mella wrote: > From: Chris Kacoroski > >> and the results I get with hdparm -tT when run individually are: >> >> /dev/sdb2: >> Timing buffer-cache reads: 2440 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1220 MB/sec >> Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in 3.01 seconds = 43.85 MB/sec > > > My configuration: > Intel SRCZCR SCSI ADD-ON RAID controller, 3x Atlas 10K IV/73GB U320 SCSI > HDD. > > /dev/sda: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 2268 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1133.04 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 110 MB in 3.01 seconds = 36.54 MB/sec Just curious, what type of raid configuration, 0, 1, 5? -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Feb 29 22:29:21 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun Feb 29 22:29:21 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40410CDC.1060201@magic.fr> Hello, I've a similar problem with older monitors... I've got a bunch of AT cases with mmx and PIs on board, plenty fine for clients but the Xfree server is having a bear of a time picking up these old donated monitors... hand configing these is a real time consuming pain. As I am the teacher and network admin for this install of LTSP every spare moment is consumed with improving student services and teaching. Anyone have a tip/trick for getting older monitors to work? New monitors work without a problem.. The old monitors sit unused which means I've fewer clients that I'd really like to put to work! I've tried using knoppix and it too is asking for manual adjustment of scan rates... are we looking at mountains of landfill monitors because getting the correct scan rate is so difficult? I know that I'm not the first to face this problem, please advise! Denny Joe Guenther wrote: > Help!! > > I am trying to demo the LTSP setup to the computer teacher and principal > .... and of course something does not work. I have a compaq deskpro with > PS/2 mouse and PS/2 keyboard which works fine. > > Another workstation (I hve 22 of these that I wanted to convert to LTSP > terminals) has an AT keyboard - big plug, and serial mouse. The mouse works > in the BIOS setup. The BIOS is set to a non-PnP OS. I can "pause" the boot > at the beginning but then at the X-server login window both keyboard and > mouse are non-existant. > > I am using LTSP 4 > > [ws007] > XSERVER = auto > OR > XSERVER = XF86_S3 (both same result...) > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_MOUSE_BAUD = 1200 > > The rest is according to the defaults in LTSP 4.0 with latest updates. > > thanks for rescuing me > joe > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > LANtech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- visit my site http://www.dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Sun Feb 29 22:33:20 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Sun Feb 29 22:33:20 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Tape Backup Software Message-ID: "Gary Bricker" wrote: >> Does anyone have any recommendations for tape backup software? << There's a lot of commercial software out there, but I'm getting by just fine with dump/restore. I did an article recently for a magazine here in Australia; you can find it at http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/2c051f1c36c2f47eca256ce400760de5?OpenDocument Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From jmsjnsnsatx at yahoo.com Sun Feb 29 22:37:03 2004 From: jmsjnsnsatx at yahoo.com (James Jensen) Date: Sun Feb 29 22:37:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Tape Backup Software Message-ID: <20040229004841.3173.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Mikesell" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Tape Backup Software > On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 23:57, Gary Bricker wrote: > > Does anyone have any recommendations for tape backup software? > > > > It depends on what you want. Amanda has a fairly horrible > user interface but once you get it set up all you ever > have to do is change tapes sometime during the day and > it sends email about any problems. If you forget to > change the tape it will save the dumps on a holding > disk where you can flush them later. I use it for > tapes that get rotated offsite, but also run backuppc > which keeps compressed copies on disk for easy access > with a web browser. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com tar works very well for me for tape. And, of course Mondo Rescue is rock solid and backs up to tape, DVD, CD, just about whatever you want. http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/ If you set up Mondo to backup via cron save yourself some grief and have a look here first: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABackups%3AMondo%3ACron I need to update the information on that page for Webmin fans. You can easily accomplish the same evironment setup via cut & paste through Webmin. James Jensen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com Sun Feb 29 22:39:01 2004 From: Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com (Crouse-K12LTSP6088 at mailblocks.com) Date: Sun Feb 29 22:39:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: <403F17E4.6010707@inlandlakes.org> References: <403F17E4.6010707@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: An enterprize class os without the cost........ ;) http://www.caosity.org/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=62&op=page&SubMenu= [quote] CentOS-3 : Community ENTerprise Operating System Description: CentOS-3 is a freely distributable OS built from the source at: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/3/en/os/i386/SRPMS Altering non-Free packages, such as those encumbered by a non-redistributable copyright or trademark. CentOS-3 is designed for people that need an Enterprise class OS without the cost of certification and support. There will initally be support for x86, AMD64, and ia64. Updates will be distributed via yum repositories. [/quote] Dave Crouse www.usalug.org -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Powers To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:11:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? Access Systems wrote: > $179 !!!!!!!!!! Look, you GET A FREE HAT -- what more do you want? http://www.redhat.com/img/boxset_rhpw_promo.gif ;o) Happy Friday. -Shawn _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Feb 29 22:41:19 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun Feb 29 22:41:19 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Java font uglyness Message-ID: Google is failing me on this one... I'm hoping someone here has tackled Java fonts and has an easy answer ;-) I have one school that is using some Java-based games & have noticed that fonts can be a bit wonky. First, the fonts are not anti-aliased. Has anyone heard about a fix for this atrocity? If there is no anti-alias fix, has anyone seen font problems with text input boxes & know a fix? An example is this URL: http://www.coolmath4kids.com/mathgames/lemonade/index.html If I click on through to the "Price/Quality Control" screen, I see that the input box fonts are "cut-off" - only the top-half shows. -Eric From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Sun Feb 29 22:44:13 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Sun Feb 29 22:44:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding users with Webmin - primer Message-ID: Dennis Daniels wrote: >> Very helpful! I was just wrestling with this! << If you need to massage an export file from some other system, then see http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/21fdc7e33b9a22f2ca256d5800026663?OpenDocument for sample Perl code. This was designed to work with OASIS (the administration package used by schools in NSW, Australia) but can easily be adapted to others. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Feb 29 22:58:27 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun Feb 29 22:58:27 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4041C9D0.3000707@cmosnetworks.com> Access Systems wrote: >On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, David Sokolowsky wrote: > > > >>Access Systems wrote: >> >> >>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Curioser and curioser... >>>>Didn't RH say no more personal desktop OS? >>>>What's this then? >>>>http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/ >>>>RH Professional Workstation. >>>>RH Enterprise Linux gets Personal... >>>> >>>> >>>$179 !!!!!!!!!! about 4 times what it used to cost on the store shelves >>>and what do you get for that extra, not a single thing more that RH9 >>> >>> >>Looks to be only $49.94 at Staples.com >> >> > >staples still had RH9 on the shelves for $49 when I was there a couple >days ago.....??????? > >Bob > > > I saw that at the Staples out here as well (Washington, DC area). The only downer that I can see is that it still has OO.o 1.0.3 and not the 1.1 version w/ the PDF exportability and somewhat better filters. But, since we're all educational folks, we can get any version of RHEL (AS or WS) for no more than $50 anyway, so we still have our very inexpensive platform for K12LTSP available to us. Keeping this in perspective, to get that same functionality w/ MS, you need to buy BackOffice, which costs several thousands of dollars up front and several tens of thousands for ongoing support. Let's not forget that. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Feb 29 23:00:34 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun Feb 29 23:00:34 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Tape Backup Software In-Reply-To: <7A87DB38C8509E44ACE117A836FD662BD61B@exchange.GREENON.K12.OH.US> References: <7A87DB38C8509E44ACE117A836FD662BD61B@exchange.GREENON.K12.OH.US> Message-ID: <4041D3E5.2060806@cmosnetworks.com> I use KDat, a tool that comes w/ KDE. It's basically a front end for tar. The advantage here is that tar exists on every UNIX variant out there and has for a long, long time. I've taken a tape made w/ KDat and restored the data on a Solaris box, for example. --TP Gary Bricker wrote: >Does anyone have any recommendations for tape backup software? > >Gary Bricker >Tech Support Team >Greenon Local Schools > > > From les at futuresource.com Sun Feb 29 23:10:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun Feb 29 23:10:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Tape Backup Software In-Reply-To: <20040229004841.3173.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040229004841.3173.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1078114329.3929.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 18:48, James Jensen wrote: > tar works very well for me for tape. And, of course Mondo Rescue is > rock solid and backs up to tape, DVD, CD, just about whatever you > want. Note that amanda actually uses your choice of gnutar or dump for the actual work. Amanda is a manager/scheduler for multi-machine backups that takes care of everything else including computing the best mix of full and incremental runs to fit on your tape. You configure a 'dumpcycle' (in days), the runs per dumpcycle, (which may be less if you only run on weekdays), and 'tapecycle' (the number of total tapes). The tapecycle should be some multiple of the runs per dumpcycle. Assuming that the total tape space is reasonable, amanda takes care of getting at least one full dump of every filesystem in each dumpcycle and at least an incremental of every filesystem one every run. It also indexes everything so you can tell it to restore something from a filesystem as it was on a certain date and it will prompt you with which tape(s) to put in. You label the tapes before use and amanda will not overwrite a tape until it reaches it's place in the tapecycle, and will send email if the wrong tape is left in the drive. Once it is set up all you have to do is swap tapes sometime during the day. If you forget, it will dump to a holding disk space and send email to remind you to flush it to tape later. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Sun Feb 29 23:10:25 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Sun Feb 29 23:10:25 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] teminal monitor shutdown Message-ID: <1078088302.1702.21.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Hey All, How do I have the Terminals put their monitors into power-save mode when the terminal is unattended ? There used to be a dpms or somesuch option somewhere, but I cant find it now. TIA, Steve From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sun Feb 29 23:27:10 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sun Feb 29 23:27:10 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40429466.6010206@snet.net> Access Systems wrote: > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > > >>Curioser and curioser... >>Didn't RH say no more personal desktop OS? >>What's this then? >>http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/ >>RH Professional Workstation. >>RH Enterprise Linux gets Personal... >>Anyone? > > > $179 !!!!!!!!!! about 4 times what it used to cost on the store shelves > and what do you get for that extra, not a single thing more that RH9 > (features, it is updated but no more than say fedora) > What?!It's only $89.99 at Staples: http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=521660&bcFlag=True&bcCatId=0&bcCatName=&bcClassId=140504&bcClassName=Operating+Systems -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------