From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Jun 1 00:40:31 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 06:10:31 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Do I miss something ? part2 In-Reply-To: <40BBA9AC.4090600@criticalcontrol.com> References: <40BBA8B8.3050908@criticalcontrol.com> <40BBA9AC.4090600@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <1086050431.6806.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 03:24, Pete wrote: > As far as I can see you have to make sure that a certain terminal gets > the same IP number each time (DHCP & mac address) > and then you can tweak certain thing in lts.conf... no? Well instead of fixing IP you can make workstation section based on the MAC address of client in the lts.conf But the diversity of clients would need a minimal tweaking. Or as suggested change all cards to ones that are recognisable by X without problem (autodetected) > In my opinion this gets ugly quite fast, is there a better way? Add a comment line before each workstations section to identify the workstation. This is possible in both dhcpd.conf as well as lts.conf so that any time changes occur you are able to "relate". > Example I got 10 clients with a cirrus video card and 10 with another card. > If I set the XSERVER = cirrus > 10 pc work fine the 10 other are blank. > when I change the setting to auto > The other 10 pc's do work... > So this means 10 entries and 10 fixed DHCP leases? If you are using 4.0 onwards there is a command setting "LIKE" where you can point the lts.conf workstation section to similar workstation without doing detailed configuration. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From ssanders at coin.org Tue Jun 1 05:37:16 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 00:37:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] banning windows clients from DHCP? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040528153651.02e4c660@michiana.org> References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20040528153651.02e4c660@michiana.org> Message-ID: <1086068235.18184.46.camel@ltsp.bofh> hi all, is there a way to keep Windows machines with DHCP enabled from getting an IP/gateway/DNS on LTSP 3.1.2? many of my clients are specified in lts.conf, but if someone plugs a laptop into a port on ETH0, they get an IP and off they go. some of these same problem children have a boot floppy/lts.conf config, so it would not be good to block them by MAC. i just would like to block them if they popped out the boot floppy. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Jun 1 06:02:39 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:02:39 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Do I miss something ? In-Reply-To: <40BBA8B8.3050908@criticalcontrol.com> References: <40BBA8B8.3050908@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <1086069758.1021.11.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Pete, Standardising your hardware saves a lot of time, then use the lts.conf / dhcp files for the exceptions. Print these out for future reference. Cheers, Bert On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 09:50, Pete wrote: > Hi K12LTSP fans : > > I am fairly new to this stuff and was wondering about how you guys > handle different types of terminals. > > As far as I can see you have to make sure that a certain terminal gets > the same IP number each time (DHCP & mac address) > and then you can tweak certain thing in lts.conf... no? > In my opinion this gets ugly quite fast, is there a better way? > > Example I got 10 clients with a cirrus video card > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Tue Jun 1 09:46:04 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:46:04 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2A@ILFGEXC> Hey again all, Firstly, apologies for the outrageously long signature that I have no control of as it's appended by the mail server on all outgoing mail :o) Now onto the real talk. Tomorrow, at 8:30, I will be talking to the computer teacher that I will be doing up the school network for. I, naturally, want K12 in there, a kick ass server will of course be easier to maintain than 45 clients, a server, plus a few extra possible clients throughout the school. Not to mention a firewall/proxy/AV crap. He's about 95% towards Windows at the moment, but I think he'll give me a chance to sway him over to Linux. Depending on how persuasive I am regarding this chageover, he may decide that Linux is for the best. Help me :o) I'll have about 10 minutes, probably less, actually, make it 5 mins :o), to convince him. Start typing lads and lassies :o) Daniel ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jun 1 10:59:05 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:59:05 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <200406010945.i519jSf20031@downeast.net> can you show him the possibilities of remote access from home windows machines to all documents.using winscp..So you could start a paper at school.dl it to home machine..work in it and ship at back to school.. platform independent...really cool..chuck > Hey again all, > > Firstly, apologies for the outrageously long signature that I have no > control of as it's appended by the mail server on all outgoing mail :o) > Now onto the real talk. > > Tomorrow, at 8:30, I will be talking to the computer teacher that I will be > doing up the school network for. I, naturally, want K12 in there, a kick ass > server will of course be easier to maintain than 45 clients, a server, plus > a few extra possible clients throughout the school. Not to mention a > firewall/proxy/AV crap. > > He's about 95% towards Windows at the moment, but I think he'll give me a > chance to sway him over to Linux. Depending on how persuasive I am regarding > this chageover, he may decide that Linux is for the best. > > Help me :o) > I'll have about 10 minutes, probably less, actually, make it 5 mins :o), to > convince him. Start typing lads and lassies :o) > > Daniel > > > ====================================================== > This email and any attached files are confidential and may > be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. > Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. > If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, > copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately > by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie > and then delete this email. > Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free > as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, > arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore > does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents > of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage > suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. > If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Tue Jun 1 11:02:12 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:02:12 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2C@ILFGEXC> No - unfortunately I don't have the time for that - I'll be there for only 30 minutes, and most of that will be talking about the hardware upgrades neccessary for the network. Although, and I've only just thought of this, the PC upgrades won't be neccessary if he goes for K12 -----Original Message----- From: cliebow at downeast.net [mailto:cliebow at downeast.net] Sent: 01 June 2004 11:59 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] D Day can you show him the possibilities of remote access from home windows machines to all documents.using winscp..So you could start a paper at school.dl it to home machine..work in it and ship at back to school.. platform independent...really cool..chuck ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jun 1 11:22:57 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 07:22:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2A@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2A@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40BC6711.1080509@cmosnetworks.com> Here you go. 1.) No more Sasser, MyDoom, MSBlaster, Nachi, etc. I stopped counting O/T for MSBlaster/Nachi at 400 hrs. 2.) One box to maintain software on, instead of 45, thus lower on-going maintenance costs 3.) Much, much easier to lock down what the kids can and cannot do. 4.) By design, more secure (not everyone runs as "Administrator" or "root" by default). 5.) Less Windows licenses to have to maintain in case of a BSA audit. Show him this URL: http://bigwidelogic.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=190 6.) Less up-front cost to deploy, both in hardware and software. 7.) His classroom instruction will actually be standards-based, not vendor-specific. 8.) His kids will be more well-rounded and prepared to sit down in front of *any* computer they encounter, thus his instructional time is more useful long-term and more applicable (think "Drivers Ed" here). 9.) Riverdale School District, and many others (e. g. Yorktown HS here in Arlington, VA), are doing it with great success. Hopefully that fills your five minutes. --TP daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >Hey again all, > >Firstly, apologies for the outrageously long signature that I have no >control of as it's appended by the mail server on all outgoing mail :o) >Now onto the real talk. > >Tomorrow, at 8:30, I will be talking to the computer teacher that I will be >doing up the school network for. I, naturally, want K12 in there, a kick ass >server will of course be easier to maintain than 45 clients, a server, plus >a few extra possible clients throughout the school. Not to mention a >firewall/proxy/AV crap. > >He's about 95% towards Windows at the moment, but I think he'll give me a >chance to sway him over to Linux. Depending on how persuasive I am regarding >this chageover, he may decide that Linux is for the best. > >Help me :o) >I'll have about 10 minutes, probably less, actually, make it 5 mins :o), to >convince him. Start typing lads and lassies :o) > >Daniel > > From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Tue Jun 1 11:13:19 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:13:19 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2E@ILFGEXC> Good man yourself :o) Thanks for that. I'll make it look all pretty using OO Calc too! :D -----Original Message----- From: Terrell Prude', Jr. [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: 01 June 2004 12:23 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] D Day Here you go. 1.) No more Sasser, MyDoom, MSBlaster, Nachi, etc. I stopped counting O/T for MSBlaster/Nachi at 400 hrs. 2.) One box to maintain software on, instead of 45, thus lower on-going maintenance costs 3.) Much, much easier to lock down what the kids can and cannot do. 4.) By design, more secure (not everyone runs as "Administrator" or "root" by default). 5.) Less Windows licenses to have to maintain in case of a BSA audit. Show him this URL: http://bigwidelogic.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=190 6.) Less up-front cost to deploy, both in hardware and software. 7.) His classroom instruction will actually be standards-based, not vendor-specific. 8.) His kids will be more well-rounded and prepared to sit down in front of *any* computer they encounter, thus his instructional time is more useful long-term and more applicable (think "Drivers Ed" here). 9.) Riverdale School District, and many others (e. g. Yorktown HS here in Arlington, VA), are doing it with great success. Hopefully that fills your five minutes. --TP daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >Hey again all, > >Firstly, apologies for the outrageously long signature that I have no >control of as it's appended by the mail server on all outgoing mail :o) >Now onto the real talk. > >Tomorrow, at 8:30, I will be talking to the computer teacher that I will be >doing up the school network for. I, naturally, want K12 in there, a kick ass >server will of course be easier to maintain than 45 clients, a server, plus >a few extra possible clients throughout the school. Not to mention a >firewall/proxy/AV crap. > >He's about 95% towards Windows at the moment, but I think he'll give me a >chance to sway him over to Linux. Depending on how persuasive I am regarding >this chageover, he may decide that Linux is for the best. > >Help me :o) >I'll have about 10 minutes, probably less, actually, make it 5 mins :o), to >convince him. Start typing lads and lassies :o) > >Daniel > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jun 1 11:31:37 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 07:31:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2C@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2C@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40BC6919.5020404@cmosnetworks.com> You will need to make sure that all your clients are running 100BaseTX, FDX (that means "switched", not "hub'd"), and that the server is on nothing less than Gig-E. If you don't have a network switch capable of doing this, consider the Amer.com SR48G2i, which does this with aplomb (I tested one this weekend). It's basically a Cisco Catalyst 3548 without the heart-attack price tag, and it'll handle all 45 of your clients plus your server on one switch. Also make sure that all of your 100BaseTX drops are actually Cat 5 or better. We're still upgrading our schools' wiring plants to Cat 5e now, and with good reason; there's still some Cat 3 sittin' out there. You don't want to even think of running 100BaseTX across such inadequate wiring. I made that mistake *once.* If that's already taken care of, then my apologies; I just wanted to make sure that cost was factored in there as well. --TP daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >No - unfortunately I don't have the time for that - I'll be there for only >30 minutes, and most of that will be talking about the hardware upgrades >neccessary for the network. Although, and I've only just thought of this, >the PC upgrades won't be neccessary if he goes for K12 > >-----Original Message----- >From: cliebow at downeast.net [mailto:cliebow at downeast.net] >Sent: 01 June 2004 11:59 >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] D Day > > >can you show him the possibilities of remote access from home windows >machines to all documents.using winscp..So you could start a paper at >school.dl it to home machine..work in it and ship at back to school.. >platform independent...really cool..chuck > > > From haysja at sages.us Tue Jun 1 11:33:11 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 06:33:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Do I miss something ? In-Reply-To: <40BBA8B8.3050908@criticalcontrol.com> References: <40BBA8B8.3050908@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <40BC6977.2010701@sages.us> It isn't nearly as bad as you are trying to make it. "Copy and paste" are your friends. It's easy to set up a section of dhcp.conf for your "odd" cards and then copy and paste. Then change the MAC to match and go. Likewise in lts.conf. I much prefer this to a blind DHCP where I don't know which computer is which. I want the control of knowing exactly which computer has which IP number. It can come in quite handy when trying to investigate "misdeeds". Realistically, how many clients are you going to "hit" your server with. With even 50-60, this doesn't take long - if you have the MAC and the video card info. Pete wrote: > > Hi K12LTSP fans : > > I am fairly new to this stuff and was wondering about how you guys > handle different types of terminals. > > As far as I can see you have to make sure that a certain terminal gets > the same IP number each time (DHCP & mac address) > and then you can tweak certain thing in lts.conf... no? > In my opinion this gets ugly quite fast, is there a better way? > > Example I got 10 clients with a cirrus video card > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Tue Jun 1 11:22:56 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:22:56 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B32@ILFGEXC> There are two rooms - each with about 22/23 clients, so I'll be using 2x24 Switches, each with a Gig-E port, connected to a dedicated Network card on the server. Each on it's own subnet. I'm sure that the rooms have Cat5 cabling - it was recently recabled (2 years ago) and I really doubt that the company would have scimped on that! -----Original Message----- From: Terrell Prude', Jr. [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: 01 June 2004 12:32 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] D Day You will need to make sure that all your clients are running 100BaseTX, FDX (that means "switched", not "hub'd"), and that the server is on nothing less than Gig-E. If you don't have a network switch capable of doing this, consider the Amer.com SR48G2i, which does this with aplomb (I tested one this weekend). It's basically a Cisco Catalyst 3548 without the heart-attack price tag, and it'll handle all 45 of your clients plus your server on one switch. Also make sure that all of your 100BaseTX drops are actually Cat 5 or better. We're still upgrading our schools' wiring plants to Cat 5e now, and with good reason; there's still some Cat 3 sittin' out there. You don't want to even think of running 100BaseTX across such inadequate wiring. I made that mistake *once.* If that's already taken care of, then my apologies; I just wanted to make sure that cost was factored in there as well. ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jun 1 11:41:08 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 07:41:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B32@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B32@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40BC6B54.4070106@cmosnetworks.com> In that case, you're all set! It's just plug, play, and save. Now the computer teacher has no excuse, since the infrastructure's already there to support it. Your email address tells me that you're in Ireland. You can, therefore, tell your computer teacher that even some of us Yanks are smart enough to see the benefits, and there's no way you can let the Yanks be ahead of you like that. :-D --TP daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >There are two rooms - each with about 22/23 clients, so I'll be using 2x24 >Switches, each with a Gig-E port, connected to a dedicated Network card on >the server. Each on it's own subnet. > >I'm sure that the rooms have Cat5 cabling - it was recently recabled (2 >years ago) and I really doubt that the company would have scimped on that! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Terrell Prude', Jr. [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] >Sent: 01 June 2004 12:32 >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] D Day > > >You will need to make sure that all your clients are running 100BaseTX, >FDX (that means "switched", not "hub'd"), and that the server is on >nothing less than Gig-E. If you don't have a network switch capable of >doing this, consider the Amer.com SR48G2i, which does this with aplomb >(I tested one this weekend). It's basically a Cisco Catalyst 3548 >without the heart-attack price tag, and it'll handle all 45 of your >clients plus your server on one switch. > >Also make sure that all of your 100BaseTX drops are actually Cat 5 or >better. We're still upgrading our schools' wiring plants to Cat 5e now, >and with good reason; there's still some Cat 3 sittin' out there. You >don't want to even think of running 100BaseTX across such inadequate >wiring. I made that mistake *once.* If that's already taken care of, >then my apologies; I just wanted to make sure that cost was factored in >there as well. > > > > From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Tue Jun 1 11:31:57 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:31:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B33@ILFGEXC> *waves Irish flag* :o) How very observant of you ;o) Lets just hope that I can turn a 95% deficit of interest into a 100% definite for K12 eh? I'll keep you all informed! -----Original Message----- From: Terrell Prude', Jr. [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: 01 June 2004 12:41 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] D Day In that case, you're all set! It's just plug, play, and save. Now the computer teacher has no excuse, since the infrastructure's already there to support it. Your email address tells me that you're in Ireland. You can, therefore, tell your computer teacher that even some of us Yanks are smart enough to see the benefits, and there's no way you can let the Yanks be ahead of you like that. :-D --TP daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >There are two rooms - each with about 22/23 clients, so I'll be using 2x24 >Switches, each with a Gig-E port, connected to a dedicated Network card on >the server. Each on it's own subnet. > >I'm sure that the rooms have Cat5 cabling - it was recently recabled (2 >years ago) and I really doubt that the company would have scimped on that! ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Jun 1 12:18:08 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:48:08 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2A@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2A@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <1086092288.5446.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 15:16, daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > Tomorrow, at 8:30, I will be talking to the computer teacher that I will be > doing up the school network for. I, naturally, want K12 in there, a kick ass > server will of course be easier to maintain than 45 clients, a server, plus > a few extra possible clients throughout the school. Not to mention a > firewall/proxy/AV crap. > > He's about 95% towards Windows at the moment, but I think he'll give me a > chance to sway him over to Linux. Depending on how persuasive I am regarding > this chageover, he may decide that Linux is for the best. > > Help me :o) > I'll have about 10 minutes, probably less, actually, make it 5 mins :o), to > convince him. Start typing lads and lassies :o) Best of luck ;-) That said it may be more productive to dig in to archives as I remember at-least three threads in recent past on this issue. OTH I was able to convince some one in business by showing him LTSP P1-166 client running a CAD rendering at blazing speed thanks to the server backend. It takes all kinds of approaches. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Tue Jun 1 12:40:46 2004 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 07:40:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B10@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B10@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40BC794E.6000307@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Ghost will do it. daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >Out of interest - how many clients does this support typically? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org] >Sent: 28 May 2004 14:04 >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone > > >I have 2 identical server with the only difference on /home size. They >are both Dual 1GHZ, 1GB RAM, 2 9GB SCSI's in Mirrored RAID for / and 4 >74GB SCSI's in RAID 5 for /home (the new server has 4 18 GB) and both >have load balancing 1GB NICs. The original server is completely >configured with all of my server software and users, the other just has >a minimal install of WBEL. What is the quickest way to make an exact >copy of the first server to the second? > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >====================================================== >This email and any attached files are confidential and may >be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. >Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. >If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, >copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this >communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received >this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately >by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie >and then delete this email. >Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free >as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, >arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore >does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents >of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage >suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. >If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Tue Jun 1 12:44:49 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 08:44:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] UDF file system Message-ID: <40BC7A41.6030401@coll-outao.qc.ca> Is-it possible to have a CD-RW mounted like InCD from Nero. Right now i can read CD-RW's but cant get them to mount as rw. From haysja at sages.us Tue Jun 1 13:54:11 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 08:54:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2A@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2A@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40BC8A83.7020706@sages.us> Three words - licenses, licenses, lincenses. (Unless he doesn't care about saving money or managing the licenses.) Everything else is gravy - and there is a lot of gravy. (no viruses, less repair time, etc, etc, etc.) daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >Hey again all, > >Firstly, apologies for the outrageously long signature that I have no >control of as it's appended by the mail server on all outgoing mail :o) >Now onto the real talk. > >Tomorrow, at 8:30, I will be talking to the computer teacher that I will be >doing up the school network for. I, naturally, want K12 in there, a kick ass >server will of course be easier to maintain than 45 clients, a server, plus >a few extra possible clients throughout the school. Not to mention a >firewall/proxy/AV crap. > >He's about 95% towards Windows at the moment, but I think he'll give me a >chance to sway him over to Linux. Depending on how persuasive I am regarding >this chageover, he may decide that Linux is for the best. > >Help me :o) >I'll have about 10 minutes, probably less, actually, make it 5 mins :o), to >convince him. Start typing lads and lassies :o) > >Daniel > > >====================================================== >This email and any attached files are confidential and may >be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. >Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. >If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, >copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this >communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received >this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately >by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie >and then delete this email. >Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free >as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, >arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore >does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents >of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage >suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. >If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 1 13:55:17 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:55:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <40BC794E.6000307@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <01ff01c447e0$15174730$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > Ghost will do it. I booted both machines with a network Ghost boot floppy, connected them with a cross-over cable, then cloned eache SCSI RAID individually. First I cloned the 9GB mirrored partition over the new 9GB mirrored partition then cloned the 205GB Raid 5 to the new 54GB Raid 5 (the sizes are different but the amount of data on the 205GB is under 5GB currently, this drive only holds /home). Everything cloned without errors then booted boots up. I get a little text about GRUB loading and that is it, it is just hung. Any ideas? I tried to boot the machine with Linux Rescue but it got to the point of mounting the drives under sysimage and failed to mount them. I thought since Les said it may fix other problems it might fix this, no luck. I am working on setting up Mondo on the master server and going to try to figure that out. From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Tue Jun 1 11:47:13 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 07:47:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3744275378.1086076033@[10.2.60.5]> Sorry to comment so late on this thread... Joe - the arguement I use when faced with this issue is... Fine I will go MS, no problem, its all technology to me. Who is going to pay for it ? How many more techs are we going to employ ? And how many down school days can I waste while updating AV software and other updates ? Then I bring out the documents and real numbers on Microsoft School License Agreement right off the MS web site. I love saying "Yes this is a yearly cost." ;) In Ohio, USA our school funding is a joke and so is the state legislature. FIX school funding !!!! With Linux you can "ask for less, spend less and give more." What business doesn't want that ? Everything mentioned above about teaching tech standards and not a vendors product...huge DITTO'S! Thanks, Tom Ventresco Austintown Local Schools From webmaster at vol.org Tue Jun 1 14:37:12 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:37:12 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about Linux? In-Reply-To: <1085922051.3996.23.camel@L143nb01> References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <1085922051.3996.23.camel@L143nb01> Message-ID: <1086100632.1452.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 15:47, John Hansknecht wrote: > I worked with a teacher at the school to write a report that explains > why teaching specific applications at the elementary school level is a > mistake. Would it be possible for you to share this report with us? -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From robark at telus.net Tue Jun 1 14:49:08 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:49:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Watchteacher/ vncviewer/ vncreflector In-Reply-To: References: <200405252230.41202.robark@telus.net> <200405291238.03096.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <200406010749.08758.robark@telus.net> I have tried multiple times to get vncreflector and watchteacher to work without success. (more than 3 hours spent) http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/vncreflector-how-to.html My principal is coming to see the lab and it would be great if I could get this to work. I have two questions. I cannot seem to get the vnc service running under the services gui control (3.1.2). It always says it needs xinetd running, but it IS running. At least that's what it tells me when I click on xinetd service. Following the instructions , I always get stuck at vncviewer localhost:99 no matter what password I enter (i've tried them all) I get "VNC Authorization failed". I set the password with vncpasswd and ]# vncpasswd /usr/local/share/passwd for client (many combinations tried). I have followed David's instructions precisely so I'm out of ideas. Please help me get this working. Also, do I not have a default vnc installations with k12ltsp. I was able to start vncserver service though without problems. I read some other people having problems with vncviewer passwords. BTW If I go vncviewer localhost:1 the vnc window starts okay but my students can't see my reflection. I also tried the vncviewer -via 192.168.0.254 localhost:99 that didn't work either. Same problem. Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary On Saturday 29 May 2004 7:52 pm, David Trask wrote: > robark at telus.net writes: > >But what > >password do I enter when I actually create the "vncuser" user. > > whatever you want > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jun 1 15:09:28 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:09:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Pilot Success Story Message-ID: <008001c447ea$6f05ffc0$1803010a@paasda.org> [Background] In March of this year, THE fileserver for a school I tech at crashed. It was a Novell 6.0 server handling mail, and all file serving for the school(300 users). Linux firewall/dhcp/proxy/content filter on an old old redhat system of course kept running fine... So users could still do web research, visit favorite websites, yadda yadda etc... As soon as I arrived on site, I grab'd the machine I was developing a WinXP image for their 'teaching' computer lab...and slap'd together a mail server in as much time as it takes to install a bare linux system (25 min or so). Tension eased instantly...only 3 or 4 of the 30+ staff seemed put off by losing access to their files... The overwhelming majority were stressed because they lost access to communications via e-mail. Then, as I had been fiddling with K12LTSP on a high end workstation(far from server grade hardware), I created user accts, samba accts and shares and VOILA! an instant file server for all student traffic the next day.(with bugs worked out on a daily basis =). Windows '98 isn't the most friendly OS to access a samba share... Now the library computers were the large issue...so...I made a boot floppy...took the crashed server...threw in some IDE's instead of SCSI hd's.. bumped the ram up another Gig...and installed K12ltsp and 10 generic 'library1-10' users...gave the floppies to the librarian... re-named 'writer,presenter,calc' to *cough* a name the kids were already familiar with *end cough*, and heard absolutely nothing from the librarian except the printing was slow...so used CUPS instead of LPR and issue solved...nothing but praise from the students and requests for copies of the CD's so they can install it at home... Have handed out nearly 30 'live distros', mandrakemove and knoppix...and 4 full sets of K12LTSP... unbeknownst to me at the time...FreeCiv rapidly took over the library and thus I was required to revert those files to non-executable status. The only hesitation(aside from the printer) on behalf of the students was how to save/access files from a floppy... Currently I have 2 other schools in the Portland area that I will be presenting to their board's technology sub-committees in an effort to save them a bundle on TCO as well as make use of a plethora of donated "junkware"...Y'all might be amazed at how many computers get donated to private schools, and the quality or lack-thereof of said computers...it's almost as if constituants regard the schools as a recycling facility...and now with K12LTSP they can actually function as such to a large degree =) --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pantz at lqt.ca Tue Jun 1 15:10:56 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:10:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <01ff01c447e0$15174730$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <01ff01c447e0$15174730$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40BC9C80.7090104@lqt.ca> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >[SNIP] > > >>Ghost will do it. >> >> Ghost schmost :/ (boo non open source) >I am working on setting up Mondo on the master server and going to try >to figure that out. > > Good move! You will have it figured out in about 10 mins ... :) (yay open source) pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Jun 1 15:10:13 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:10:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Watchteacher/ vncviewer/ vncreflector In-Reply-To: <200406010749.08758.robark@telus.net> References: <200405252230.41202.robark@telus.net> <200405291238.03096.robark@telus.net> <200406010749.08758.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <40BC9C55.6010805@msln.net> Quick thought, Firewall? Mark Robert Arkiletian wrote: >vncviewer localhost:99 > >no matter what password I enter (i've tried them all) I get "VNC Authorization >failed". I set the password with vncpasswd and >]# vncpasswd /usr/local/share/passwd for client (many combinations tried). I >have followed David's instructions precisely so I'm out of ideas. >Please help me get this working. > > > > > >Robert Arkiletian >Eric Hamber Secondary > >On Saturday 29 May 2004 7:52 pm, David Trask wrote: > > >>robark at telus.net writes: >> >> >>>But what >>>password do I enter when I actually create the "vncuser" user. >>> >>> >>whatever you want >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>(207)923-3100 >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 1 15:47:18 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:47:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <40BC9C80.7090104@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <020a01c447ef$bb8025b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > Good move! You will have it figured out in about 10 mins ... > :) (yay open source) My minutes must be in cat years today :-) Loaded Mondo on the master server and backed up / and excluded /home to a nfs mount of /mnt/backup into a directory called server_root with no compression and now have 5 iso's in this directory. I burned 1.iso and booted the new server from it. It cannot mount any filesystems and aborts. So now I am trying to partition and format the drive identical to the first to see if that helps. This is very frustrating, such a simple process and for some reason I am managing to make it very difficult. From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Jun 1 16:00:39 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:00:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Do I miss something ? part2 In-Reply-To: <1086050431.6806.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <40BBA8B8.3050908@criticalcontrol.com> <40BBA9AC.4090600@criticalcontrol.com> <1086050431.6806.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <40BCA827.6080509@criticalcontrol.com> Thanks for the suggestions and replies. What I learned : you can use mac addresses in lts.conf (skipping the fixed leases) With 50-60 clients and a variety of hardware (not only diff. video cards) it can get messy :-( Initial setup is one task the only thing I am concernced about is the ongoing maintainance when the (old) client stuff breaks and needs to be replaced (by other older stuff)... = edit in the lts.conf From les at futuresource.com Tue Jun 1 16:59:16 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:59:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <020a01c447ef$bb8025b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <020a01c447ef$bb8025b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1086109156.26788.68.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 10:47, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > My minutes must be in cat years today :-) Loaded Mondo on the master > server and backed up / and excluded /home to a nfs mount of /mnt/backup > into a directory called server_root with no compression and now have 5 > iso's in this directory. I burned 1.iso and booted the new server from > it. It cannot mount any filesystems and aborts. So now I am trying to > partition and format the drive identical to the first to see if that > helps. > > This is very frustrating, such a simple process and for some reason I am > managing to make it very difficult. Your problem is that you are using RAID on your master server and trying to copy to plain disk partitions. It may be possible to patch that up after the fact, but it would be better to build your raid sets first, then drop your backup in via tar while running from a Knoppix CD. Or, if the raids are mirrored, you might get away with a sector by sector copy of one entire drive of each set, then creating matching partitions on the mirror and hot-adding it to the raid. I'd recommend the tar approach but the raid-rebuild is fun and something you should know how to do in case a drive goes bad anyway. If the disks happen to be hot-swap and you are really brave you can cheat by pulling the mirrors and rebuilding on both machines. Basics first: do you know how to do 'fdisk -l' on your master server and duplicate the partitions on the clone? Next step is to 'cat /proc/mdstat' and note which physical partitions are combined for each md? device in what rail level and duplicate that with "mdadm --create" commands. Next, do 'mount' and note the filesystem type (probably ext3 everywhere) on each of the md? devices. Use 'mke2fs -j raid_device_name' to make an ext3 filesystem. Use 'mkswap device_name' to format the swap partition(s) which may or may not be on raid devices. The fun part about raid mirrors is that you don't have to wait for them to sync. You can do the format and start copying data as soon as you create the set and even if you reboot before they are syncronized they will start over correctly. You can observe the progress with 'cat /proc/mdstat' anytime. If you have gotten this far working from a Knoppix CD, the next step is to make directories in /tmp where you can mount each raid partition. Mount it, cd to it, then ssh a tar copy from the master: ssh master_server 'cd /partition && tar --one-file-system -cf . -' |tar -xpf After doing the / partition check the copied /etc/fstab file to see if it uses the /dev/md? names for the partitons or if it uses labels. If it has labels, change the LABEL= entries to /dev/md? names. When the partitions are all copied and fstab matches the correct device names you can reboot with the k12ltsp install disk with 'linux rescue' and it will find and mount things so you can 'chroot /mnt/sysinstall'. Then run /sbin/lilo if you boot with lilo, or 'grub-install' for grub, then exit (twice) to reboot, remove the CD and come up running. There are a lot of steps involved here, but each one is fairly straightforward and if you make it through you'll know someone can break your server into little pieces and you can put it all back together. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 1 17:16:48 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:16:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <1086109156.26788.68.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <024301c447fc$3c347ce0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > Your problem is that you are using RAID on your master server > and trying to copy to plain disk partitions. I am using the PERC Raid Controller with Hardware RAID not Software RAID. The drive I want cloned is / made from a hardware mirrored raid of 9GB SCSI's. Both machines are already setup with the RAID in the controller bios. When I boot to load linux all I see is a single 9GB drive on both machines known as /dev/sda and partitions into sda1 for /boot sda2 for / and sda3 for swap. Since this is at the hardware level on both machines are your suggestions still relavant? I don't really even care about my /home directory on sdb for now, but those are also hardware RAID5 seen as a single 205GB drive on one machine partitioned into sdb1 /home, and a single 54GB drive on the other machine with the same partitions scheme. Everything is ext3. From les at futuresource.com Tue Jun 1 17:59:34 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:59:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <024301c447fc$3c347ce0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <024301c447fc$3c347ce0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1086112774.31538.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 12:16, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > [SNIP] > > Your problem is that you are using RAID on your master server > > and trying to copy to plain disk partitions. > > I am using the PERC Raid Controller with Hardware RAID not Software > RAID. The drive I want cloned is / made from a hardware mirrored raid > of 9GB SCSI's. Both machines are already setup with the RAID in the > controller bios. When I boot to load linux all I see is a single 9GB > drive on both machines known as /dev/sda and partitions into sda1 for > /boot sda2 for / and sda3 for swap. Since this is at the hardware level > on both machines are your suggestions still relavant? I don't really > even care about my /home directory on sdb for now, but those are also > hardware RAID5 seen as a single 205GB drive on one machine partitioned > into sdb1 /home, and a single 54GB drive on the other machine with the > same partitions scheme. Everything is ext3. OK - everything will still work if you skip the setup of the software raid with 'mdadm'. Probably all that has gone wrong with the things you have done so far is that /etc/fstab has the LABEL= notation and your cloned partitions don't have labels, and you don't have a boot loader installed. If that is the case (or you can get to this point with the knoppix/tar method) boot the k12 install disk with 'linux rescue'. It won't find your system if fstab is wrong, so make a directory in /tmp, mount /dev/sda2 there and fix it to use the partition names. You may need to comment out the /home entry with a leading '#' if you don't have a partition for it yet. Be careful to 'exit' to log out and reboot so the partition is unmounted cleanly or cd out of it and umount it yourself before rebooting. Once the real partitions match the fstab entries, booting with 'linux rescue' should mount everything under /mnt/sysinstall for you so you can chroot there and install the boot loader. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pantz at lqt.ca Tue Jun 1 18:37:33 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:37:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <1086112774.31538.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <024301c447fc$3c347ce0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1086112774.31538.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40BCCCED.9000608@lqt.ca> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 12:16, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >>[SNIP] >> >> >>>Your problem is that you are using RAID on your master server >>>and trying to copy to plain disk partitions. >>> >>> >>I am using the PERC Raid Controller with Hardware RAID not Software >>RAID. The drive I want cloned is / made from a hardware mirrored raid >>of 9GB SCSI's. Both machines are already setup with the RAID in the >>controller bios. When I boot to load linux all I see is a single 9GB >>drive on both machines known as /dev/sda and partitions into sda1 for >>/boot sda2 for / and sda3 for swap. Since this is at the hardware level >>on both machines are your suggestions still relavant? I don't really >>even care about my /home directory on sdb for now, but those are also >>hardware RAID5 seen as a single 205GB drive on one machine partitioned >>into sdb1 /home, and a single 54GB drive on the other machine with the >>same partitions scheme. Everything is ext3. >> >> > >OK - everything will still work if you skip the setup of the >software raid with 'mdadm'. Probably all that has gone wrong >with the things you have done so far is that /etc/fstab has >the LABEL= notation and your cloned partitions don't have labels, >and you don't have a boot loader installed. If that is the >case (or you can get to this point with the knoppix/tar method) >boot the k12 install disk with 'linux rescue'. It won't find >your system if fstab is wrong, so make a directory in /tmp, >mount /dev/sda2 there and fix it to use the partition names. >You may need to comment out the /home entry with a leading '#' >if you don't have a partition for it yet. Be careful to 'exit' >to log out and reboot so the partition is unmounted cleanly or >cd out of it and umount it yourself before rebooting. >Once the real partitions match the fstab entries, booting >with 'linux rescue' should mount everything under /mnt/sysinstall >for you so you can chroot there and install the boot loader. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > If you want to re-setup the labels like they are on the original machine - the tool to use is 'e2label'. Usage: e2label device [newlabel] eg. e2label /dev/sda1 /boot Sorry Mondo wasn't much help :/ pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jun 1 18:53:55 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:53:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] loading modules in lts.conf Message-ID: <00ad01c44809$ca1fbe40$1803010a@paasda.org> if I need a specific video or sound module loaded for example via82cxxx_audio.o is the only thing I need to do is put the following line in the lts.conf file ? SMODULE_01 = via82cxxx_audio.o or is there more to it? i.e. the full path of the file ? --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Jun 1 19:34:43 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:34:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <40BCCCED.9000608@lqt.ca> References: <024301c447fc$3c347ce0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1086112774.31538.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40BCCCED.9000608@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <1086118483.897.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 13:37, Paul Pianta wrote: > If you want to re-setup the labels like they are on the original machine > - the tool to use is 'e2label'. > > Usage: e2label device [newlabel] > eg. e2label /dev/sda1 /boot That might be an easier fix for this situation. However if you ever move disks around it makes a machine unbootable if you end up with more than one identically labeled partition matching a name in /etc/fstab. With hardware RAID it is probably unlikely that you would swap partitions around intact, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Jun 1 20:05:10 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:05:10 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <01ff01c447e0$15174730$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <01ff01c447e0$15174730$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1086120309.1002.0.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Jim, Did you do a drive to drive clone On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 01:55, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > [SNIP] > > Ghost will do it. > > I booted both machines with a network Ghost boot floppy, connected them > with a cross-over cable, then cloned eache SCSI RAID individually. > First I cloned the 9GB mirrored partition over the new 9GB mirrored > partition then cloned the 205GB Raid 5 to the new 54GB Raid 5 (the sizes > are different but the amount of data on the 205GB is under 5GB > currently, this drive only holds /home). Everything cloned without > errors then booted boots up. I get a little text about GRUB loading and > that is it, it is just hung. > > Any ideas? I tried to boot the machine with Linux Rescue but it got to > the point of mounting the drives under sysimage and failed to mount > them. I thought since Les said it may fix other problems it might fix > this, no luck. > > I am working on setting up Mondo on the master server and going to try > to figure that out. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Jun 1 20:11:08 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:11:08 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <01ff01c447e0$15174730$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <01ff01c447e0$15174730$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1086120668.1002.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Jim, Did you do a 1) drive to drive OR 2) partition to partition clone? I know this can make a difference. What version of Ghost do you have? My version won't handle EXT3 but does handle EXT2. :-( What about a Knoppix boot, NFS mount the existing drives and DD onto th new server? Can DD do that? Just some thoughts. Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 01:55, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > [SNIP] > > Ghost will do it. > > I booted both machines with a network Ghost boot floppy, connected them > with a cross-over cable, then cloned eache SCSI RAID individually. > First I cloned the 9GB mirrored partition over the new 9GB mirrored > partition then cloned the 205GB Raid 5 to the new 54GB Raid 5 (the sizes > are different but the amount of data on the 205GB is under 5GB > currently, this drive only holds /home). Everything cloned without > errors then booted boots up. I get a little text about GRUB loading and > that is it, it is just hung. > > Any ideas? I tried to boot the machine with Linux Rescue but it got to > the point of mounting the drives under sysimage and failed to mount > them. I thought since Les said it may fix other problems it might fix > this, no luck. > > I am working on setting up Mondo on the master server and going to try > to figure that out. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 1 20:25:04 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:25:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <1086120668.1002.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <025f01c44816$896a6c30$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I have Ghost 2002 and did a drive to drive clone over the network. It appeared to copy without errors but like I said was unbootable after restart. Would I get a error if it doesn't support EXT3? I am downloading a Knoppix iso right now to try some other options. > Hi Jim, > > Did you do a > 1) drive to drive > OR > 2) partition to partition clone? > > I know this can make a difference. > > What version of Ghost do you have? > My version won't handle EXT3 but does handle EXT2. :-( > > What about a Knoppix boot, NFS mount the existing drives and > DD onto th new server? > Can DD do that? From les at futuresource.com Tue Jun 1 20:33:41 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:33:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <025f01c44816$896a6c30$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <025f01c44816$896a6c30$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1086122021.4131.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 15:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have Ghost 2002 and did a drive to drive clone over the network. It > appeared to copy without errors but like I said was unbootable after > restart. Would I get a error if it doesn't support EXT3? > > I am downloading a Knoppix iso right now to try some other options. Did you try booting the k12ltsp install disk in rescue mode? It doesn't have everything knoppix does, but you should still be able to use fdisk to look at partitions and make a directory in /tmp where you can mount /dev/sda2. If that works you can probably either label your partitions or fix fstab to use the partition device names. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 1 21:02:17 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:02:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <1086122021.4131.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <026001c4481b$bc59b8d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I will give that a try now. So many things always going on around here. > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:34 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Server Clone > > > On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 15:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I have Ghost 2002 and did a drive to drive clone over the > network. It > > appeared to copy without errors but like I said was > unbootable after > > restart. Would I get a error if it doesn't support EXT3? > > > > I am downloading a Knoppix iso right now to try some other options. > > Did you try booting the k12ltsp install disk in rescue mode? > It doesn't have everything knoppix does, but you should still > be able to use fdisk to look at partitions and make a > directory in /tmp where you can mount /dev/sda2. If that > works you can probably either label your partitions or fix > fstab to use the partition device names. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Jun 1 21:02:20 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:02:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 2 speedbump/showstopper Message-ID: <1086123739.2814.26.camel@phoenix> I just recently upgraded my fileserver to Fedora Core 2 (primarily for ACL support) and discovered that using LVM snapshots is not supported at all in FC2. The partition became unavailable... a reboot couldn't find anything on my volume group (other logical volumes included)... (I almost thought I lost the partition... thank goodness for a recent backup though). I was finally able to recover it using redhat 9 rescue disks (deleting the snapshot... then making the volume group available again). Check out: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/lvm2faq.html#AEN257 -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org From tim at litwiller.net Tue Jun 1 21:24:04 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:24:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] removing other session options from the login screen Message-ID: <40BCF3F4.6070106@litwiller.net> I have set IceWM as the default window manager on a new setup and want to remove Gnome and Failsafe Terminal from the options on the logon screen - I thought I had found it under /etc/X11/gdm/session/Gnome - but removing that didn't remove the menu item. From dalen at czexan.net Tue Jun 1 21:39:19 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:39:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about Linux? In-Reply-To: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> Message-ID: <40BCF787.8070208@czexan.net> Joseph Bishay wrote: > What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have > IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE: Doesn't need to > be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto) there is no ministry- > mandated computer curriculum, so essentially the lab is used as a > reference room for other subjects. Joseph, I just read an article from LinuxToday that is very upbeat about opensource from a business point of view. http://www.cio.com/archive/031503/opensource.html Thanks, Dale From k12osn at collinsoft.com Tue Jun 1 23:00:18 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2A@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > Tomorrow, at 8:30, I will be talking to the computer teacher that I will be > doing up the school network for. I, naturally, want K12 in there, a kick ass > server will of course be easier to maintain than 45 clients, a server, plus > a few extra possible clients throughout the school. Not to mention a > firewall/proxy/AV crap. > > I'll have about 10 minutes, probably less, actually, make it 5 mins :o), to > convince him. Start typing lads and lassies :o) Depending on the clients already in the room, take a preconfigured server in, plug the room network into it, and restart one of the machines setting it to boot off of the network in the BIOS. Nothing is as impressive as showing how easy it will be to switch over. Once started, demonstrate OpenOffice.org and Mozilla. Then show that the only cost he will have is in the server. No more license costs. No AV crap. If the machines are too old to do the network boot, make a boot disk up ahead of time. You would probably want to sneak in and try it out first anyway so there are no snags the first time. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From k12osn at collinsoft.com Tue Jun 1 23:01:57 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <200406010945.i519jSf20031@downeast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > can you show him the possibilities of remote access from home windows > machines to all documents.using winscp..So you could start a paper at > school.dl it to home machine..work in it and ship at back to school.. > platform independent...really cool..chuck Or if they have a cable modem/DSL then can just use VNC and do their work remotely. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jun 1 23:57:46 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 19:57:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] banning windows clients from DHCP? In-Reply-To: <1086068235.18184.46.camel@ltsp.bofh> References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> < > <4.3.2.7.2.20040528153651.02e4c660@michiana.org> <1086068235.18184.46.camel@ltsp.bofh> Message-ID: I don't know of a quick easy way, but just guessing you could put them in the hosts.deny file. Located at /etc/hosts.deny David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Jun 1 22:32:26 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:32:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo lock-ups, .rtf failure, missing fonts Message-ID: <40BD03FA.4060307@snet.net> I'm wondering if this was the result of something during my recent upgrade to 4.0.1... OOo has been having lockups every now and then, fails to open .rtf documents, and my helvetica fonts are missing. Has anyone else seen this stuff? tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Wed Jun 2 00:40:25 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: 01 Jun 2004 20:40:25 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about Linux? In-Reply-To: <1086100632.1452.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <1085922051.3996.23.camel@L143nb01> <1086100632.1452.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <1086136825.5597.14.camel@L143nb01> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 10:37, george kocke wrote: > On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 15:47, John Hansknecht wrote: > > > I worked with a teacher at the school to write a report that explains > > why teaching specific applications at the elementary school level is a > > mistake. > > Would it be possible for you to share this report with us? It's really not much, carried weight at our school because it was written by our computer applications teacher. You can download it here: http://www.uofdhigh.k12.mi.us/resources/technology/tech_board_open_source.pdf -- Thanks, John Hansknecht One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Wed Jun 2 01:24:20 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:24:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] removing other session options from the login screen In-Reply-To: <40BCF3F4.6070106@litwiller.net> References: <40BCF3F4.6070106@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1086139460.3281.18.camel@crux> Hi Tim -- I did this as well -- (except I left Failsafe available) and documented it in the wiki. look here: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Forcing%20IceWM%20as%20the%20default%20under%20GDM%20in%20Fedora -- Pat Healy Palm Desert High School On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 14:24, Tim Litwiller wrote: > I have set IceWM as the default window manager on a new setup and want > to remove Gnome and Failsafe Terminal from the options on the logon > screen - I thought I had found it under /etc/X11/gdm/session/Gnome - but > removing that didn't remove the menu item. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From kcjohnson at oidm.com Wed Jun 2 02:08:37 2004 From: kcjohnson at oidm.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:08:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <36CDE15C0BE1A84BB8595FE684FB8563091BDA@baesystems.com> Message-ID: Thanks! The CD worked perfectly and made up for the hours of frustration I've had trying to get a client to run. I've tried PXE boot and a boot floppy from two different client machine. Both will DHCP an IP address then time out trying to load a kernel. Ken On 5/26/04 6:41 AM, "Tony Hadfield" wrote: > Hi, > There is already a live-cd which turns donated hardware into a thin client, > the PXES Linux thin client. > http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ > I've tried it out, works a treat! > Just download the iso and burn it to CD. > ________________ > Tony Hadfield > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Holmes Wilson [mailto:holmes at worcestercoop.org] > Sent: 26 May 2004 09:54 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better > > > Hi everyone, > > I just had a funny experience: I joined the list specifically to ask if > anyone would be interested in working on a Live-CD to facilitate > turning donated boxes into thin clients, and then while looking through > recent archives to get a feel for the discussion, I stumbled across > Steven's post where he proposed the exact same idea. My angle on this > is that last year some friends and I started a small organization in > our town (Worcester, MA) where we're using donated computers and free > software to set up LTSP labs and give free computers to participants. > I know that schools, not small neighborhood labs, are probably the > primary target for K12LTSP development. But there is a huge potential > for these kinds of labs because they can be put together on such a > small budget--especially when you throw donated computers into the mix. > And a tool like the one discussed would make setting up--and > maintaining--these labs a lot simpler. > > I definitely appreciate Terrell's point that, in a larger, more > complicated setting, things can quickly get unwieldy for administrators > when you give powerful tools to people who don't understand how they > work. At the same time, I think that a streamlined system for making > thin clients would make the deployment of LTSP labs a lot easier. A > few points (some of these have been made already): > > On donated computers: > *Donated computers are free. That is a huge advantage to groups that > have volunteers but small budgets. > *Linux is not always an easy sell. Dramatic cost savings like these > sweeten the deal. > *Donated computers would otherwise be a problem for landfills. > *Donated computers usually have PCI hardware, which means the NIC and > video card is easily autodetected > *Each year this becomes more true. > *Donated computers do have one major disadvantage: they break. But > more donated machines are always plentiful. > > On the importance of making it easy: > *Even for someone who knows what they are doing, it is a pain in the > neck to turn donated boxes into thin clients ("where the heck is > lts.conf again?") > *There are tons people who know enough about computers to install a > network card or walk through an install script who are quickly > overwhelmed by the kind of command line stuff you have to do to make a > new thin client from a donated computer. > *Since donated computers break, it's important to be able to replace > them. > *The more people you have who can do this, the more flexible your > division of labor. Linux gurus can be called upon sparingly for > trickier tasks. > *When you improve ease-of-use you expand the pool of people who are > qualified to deploy and maintain new labs, which means more people > benefit from this awesome software. > > One of the most amazing things about LTSP labs is how low-maintenance > they are. We've had our lab up since last June, with young kids coming > in to beat the heck out of it 4 days a week since then, on severely > underpowered hardware, and there haven't been any problems. That means > that I can feel confident setting up a lab, training people on basic > stuff (adduser, CUPS) and letting them run with it, with myself and > more knowledgable people to contact in case there's a problem. If they > get a new box donated and want to add it as a client, it would be > awesome if I could leave them with a simple way to do it that would > work 80% of the time. > > Again, to return to Terrell's concern, I see this Live CD thing more as > something that an administrator would make available to users, rather > than something people would just download themselves and monkey around > with. Particularly because, as he points out, it's tricky to download > and burn an .iso file. > > Anyway, I have a few friends that would be interested in working on > something like this. If anyone's interested in helping I could set up > a Wiki for planning out the best way to do it. Takers? > > Finally, this is my first post to this list, so first I'd really like > to thank all the developers for the awesome work that's gone into the > K12LTSP package. > > Holmes Wilson > Worcester Computer Co-op > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Jun 2 03:25:23 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:55:23 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Watchteacher/ vncviewer/ vncreflector In-Reply-To: <200406010749.08758.robark@telus.net> References: <200405252230.41202.robark@telus.net> <200405291238.03096.robark@telus.net> <200406010749.08758.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <1086146723.8194.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 20:19, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > no matter what password I enter (i've tried them all) I get "VNC Authorization > failed". I set the password with vncpasswd and > ]# vncpasswd /usr/local/share/passwd for client (many combinations tried). I > have followed David's instructions precisely so I'm out of ideas. > Please help me get this working. Shot in the dark....try without any password. VNC uses it's own password and not the log in stuff. Matbe the first time you tried the server it registered blank password.??? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From robark at telus.net Wed Jun 2 06:12:58 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:12:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] banning windows clients from DHCP? In-Reply-To: <1086068235.18184.46.camel@ltsp.bofh> References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20040528153651.02e4c660@michiana.org> <1086068235.18184.46.camel@ltsp.bofh> Message-ID: <200406012312.58163.robark@telus.net> Check this out http://www.etherboot.org/doc50/html/userman-4.html Try making your boot floppies with REQUIRE_VCI_ETHERBOOT option. You can do it easy with the configure button here http://rom-o-matic.net/5.2.4/ don't forget to declared your dhcp server as "not authoritative". Hope this helps. Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary On Monday 31 May 2004 10:37 pm, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > hi all, is there a way to keep Windows machines with DHCP enabled from > getting an IP/gateway/DNS on LTSP 3.1.2? > > many of my clients are specified in lts.conf, but if someone plugs a > laptop into a port on ETH0, they get an IP and off they go. some of > these same problem children have a boot floppy/lts.conf config, so it > would not be good to block them by MAC. i just would like to block them > if they popped out the boot floppy. From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed Jun 2 08:49:20 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:49:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B42@ILFGEXC> Windows it is ... ah well :o) -----Original Message----- From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie [mailto:daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie] Sent: 01 June 2004 10:46 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Hey again all, Firstly, apologies for the outrageously long signature that I have no control of as it's appended by the mail server on all outgoing mail :o) Now onto the real talk. Tomorrow, at 8:30, I will be talking to the computer teacher that I will be doing up the school network for. I, naturally, want K12 in there, a kick ass server will of course be easier to maintain than 45 clients, a server, plus a few extra possible clients throughout the school. Not to mention a firewall/proxy/AV crap. He's about 95% towards Windows at the moment, but I think he'll give me a chance to sway him over to Linux. Depending on how persuasive I am regarding this chageover, he may decide that Linux is for the best. Help me :o) I'll have about 10 minutes, probably less, actually, make it 5 mins :o), to convince him. Start typing lads and lassies :o) Daniel ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Jun 2 09:24:58 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 05:24:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B42@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B42@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40BD9CEA.8050709@snet.net> daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > Windows it is ... ah well :o) > I just don't get it....With so many advantages to open source, there is no logic whatever in choosing to shell out thousands of dollars for bloated, insecure, buggy, unstable software. I don't understand why anyone chooses windows or this strangle-hold M$ has on our schools. It's sickening. Gosh, I'm probably as dissappointed as you are! tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed Jun 2 10:19:25 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:19:25 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> I went in and it was clear from the outset that his hands were tied. He wanted Linux - and was very very curious as to how it would perform (I haven't a spare machine that I could have setup to demonstrate how easy it is to use) in the school environment. The management however didnt see the use in using Linux as "the real world uses Windows" - I gave up at that point, there was no point in talking to him about it as he was on my side, it was the management who were stubborn with it. Strangle-hold is right - and it's really such a shame. An entire lab has to be upgraded to make it suitable for Windows 2000. *sigh* Daniel -----Original Message----- From: anthony baldwin [mailto:anthonybaldwin at snet.net] Sent: 02 June 2004 10:25 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] D Day daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > Windows it is ... ah well :o) > I just don't get it....With so many advantages to open source, there is no logic whatever in choosing to shell out thousands of dollars for bloated, insecure, buggy, unstable software. I don't understand why anyone chooses windows or this strangle-hold M$ has on our schools. It's sickening. Gosh, I'm probably as dissappointed as you are! tony ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. 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The logs are showing me this for the users login in from that workstation. Why does samba think this user is a group coming from this workstation.. Please help! Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: [2004/06/01 12:03:56, 0] rpc_server/srv_util.c:get_domain_user_groups(371) Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: get_domain_user_groups: primary gid of user [rtonks] is not a Domain group ! Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: get_domain_user_groups: You should fix it, NT doesn't like that Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: [2004/06/01 12:03:56, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_release_request(80) Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: process_name_release_request: unicast name release request received for name RTONKS<03> from IP 192.168.2.7 on subnet UNICAST_SUBNET. Error - should be sent to WINS server this server is the wins server I dont get it... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed Jun 2 11:37:32 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:37:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B4D@ILFGEXC> I thought that you had to use a special domain group with xp networks? Otherwise you'd get strange errors like that one - as it automatically assigns privledges based on the domain group policy? Have a look here (quick google found it .. it may not be 100% suitable for you :o)) http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/howto/groupmapping.html Daniel -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Henderson [mailto:shawn at techcoms.net] Sent: 02 June 2004 03:59 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... I have a samba 3 server hosting aproximately 5 clients. I am having problems with one. When any user other than administrator logs on the first thing I get on the desktop is ERROR ACCESS DENIED after clicking ok a few times it goes away and everything is normal. The logs are showing me this for the users login in from that workstation. Why does samba think this user is a group coming from this workstation.. Please help! Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: [2004/06/01 12:03:56, 0] rpc_server/srv_util.c:get_domain_user_groups(371) Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: get_domain_user_groups: primary gid of user [rtonks] is not a Domain group ! Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: get_domain_user_groups: You should fix it, NT doesn't like that Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: [2004/06/01 12:03:56, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_release_request(80) Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: process_name_release_request: unicast name release request received for name RTONKS<03> from IP 192.168.2.7 on subnet UNICAST_SUBNET. 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URL: From andyr at wizzy.com Wed Jun 2 11:55:01 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:55:01 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Display driver problem In-Reply-To: <40BB5573.4070508@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <40BB5573.4070508@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <20040602115501.GC14505@wizzy.com> On Mon, 31 May 2004, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi K12 list, > > I have a problem with a school whose thin client are extremely slow. I > first thought it was lack of RAM (24MB), but after enabling NFS swap I > now suspect it is the display driver. It's a clgd5440 chip, and I'm > using K12LTSP 4.0.0. What driver should I be using? If I use cirrus it > comes up garbled, but it is fast. If I do that build-script thing it > looks good, but it's extremely slow. Vesa has the same (slow) result. > > If I choose XF86_SVGA it doesn't work either, but it shows me a list of > cards which include clgd5436 and clgd 5446, but no 5440. > > Is there another driver I can use? Any help would be appreciated. Cirrus cards are pretty junky these days. They are often 8-bit colour. Did you try X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 ? Cheers, Andy! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jun 2 12:06:59 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:06:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40BDC2E3.4070401@cmosnetworks.com> One of our worst exports around the world is this notion of instant gratification. It seems that we've decided to infect some parts of the Emerald Isle with some of our Yank management stupidity, too. Figures; we're the nation that invented the software patent. If it's any consolation, my entire school district is also--almost militantly--anti-Free Software. However, I wonder what their decision would be if some of the Windows licenses had to come out of their personal wallets.... Is there nobody in the Washington, DC area besides Yorktown High School that wants to try this? Nobody?? --TP daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >I went in and it was clear from the outset that his hands were tied. > >He wanted Linux - and was very very curious as to how it would perform (I >haven't a spare machine that I could have setup to demonstrate how easy it >is to use) in the school environment. >The management however didnt see the use in using Linux as "the real world >uses Windows" - I gave up at that point, there was no point in talking to >him about it as he was on my side, it was the management who were stubborn >with it. > >Strangle-hold is right - and it's really such a shame. An entire lab has to >be upgraded to make it suitable for Windows 2000. >*sigh* > >Daniel > >-----Original Message----- >From: anthony baldwin [mailto:anthonybaldwin at snet.net] >Sent: 02 June 2004 10:25 >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] D Day > > >daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > > >>Windows it is ... ah well :o) >> >> >> > >I just don't get it....With so many advantages to open source, there is >no logic whatever in choosing to shell out thousands of dollars for >bloated, insecure, buggy, unstable software. >I don't understand why anyone chooses windows or this strangle-hold M$ >has on our schools. It's sickening. >Gosh, I'm probably as dissappointed as you are! > >tony > > From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed Jun 2 11:59:08 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:59:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B4E@ILFGEXC> Wants to try what? Raiding wallets? :o) Yeah it is a shame - the money saved on licensing and upgrading could be put into a machine in every classroom, a super-computer-like-hal as a server ;o), replacement parts for any possible breakages. With some left to spare. It simply doesnt make sense - but in the end, it's not my decision and I can't force them into something that they simply refuse to look at. While I'm building the windows images I'll have a test ltsp server up and running, (network diagnosis I'll say ;o)) and as they pass I'll idly switch on two old machines, that will spring to life in about 5 seconds. EAT THAT MANAGEMENT HEADS! Daniel, slightly annoyed about the windows option, but nothing he can do about it for now :o) -----Original Message----- From: Terrell Prude', Jr. [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: 02 June 2004 13:07 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] D Day One of our worst exports around the world is this notion of instant gratification. It seems that we've decided to infect some parts of the Emerald Isle with some of our Yank management stupidity, too. Figures; we're the nation that invented the software patent. If it's any consolation, my entire school district is also--almost militantly--anti-Free Software. However, I wonder what their decision would be if some of the Windows licenses had to come out of their personal wallets.... Is there nobody in the Washington, DC area besides Yorktown High School that wants to try this? Nobody?? ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. 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From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 2 12:24:50 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:24:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B4E@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B4E@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40BDC712.8080903@inlandlakes.org> daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > Daniel, slightly annoyed about the windows option, but nothing he can do > about it for now :o) Sorry, I *just* jumped on this thread so I don't know the whole history, but thought I'd add my "infiltration scheme" to the mix. I had 1 teacher that was willing to try LTSP. The principal was easy to get onboard, because the other teachers were able to take his lab time. I had 4 junker computers, and one "OK" PIII server. He used it all year, and the kids were doing things that the other classes (the ones with access to all those lab macintoshes) weren't even close to doing. The real eye opener was that when you took away all the silly "learning games" the kids were able to use the computers as tools to learn regular curriculum (isn't that what computers were always supposed to do for us?). BTW, I didn't mean to open a can of worms with the "silly learning game" comment, that's just our circumstance. (see my .sig, I've gotten in trouble before for spreading my opinions on listservs) Anyway, having the pilot program has made the whole district less linux-wary. That, and a huge budget crunch really makes linux look good. Don't lose hope, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at rossberry.com Wed Jun 2 12:56:51 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > Strangle-hold is right - and it's really such a shame. An entire lab has to > be upgraded to make it suitable for Windows 2000. > *sigh* And there is an opportunity for you. It will cost money to dispose of the machines properly, so recycle them yourself first!! Maybe you can even create a parallel lab and run the 2 side by side. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed Jun 2 12:46:39 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:46:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B4F@ILFGEXC> woudln't be possible I'm afraid - they don't have the space for it .. let alone a server capable of handling 25 machines on ltsp :) it's definitely a good idea though -----Original Message----- From: Jim Wildman [mailto:jim at rossberry.com] Sent: 02 June 2004 13:57 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] D Day On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > Strangle-hold is right - and it's really such a shame. An entire lab has to > be upgraded to make it suitable for Windows 2000. > *sigh* And there is an opportunity for you. It will cost money to dispose of the machines properly, so recycle them yourself first!! Maybe you can even create a parallel lab and run the 2 side by side. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Wed Jun 2 12:59:57 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:59:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: I think the phrase "the real world uses Windows" is the next big point we need to address. The same statement has been mentioned at my school too. I have a teacher very afraid of switching to Linux, I've shown him how it works, he's used it, knows what applications are available, he even likes using Linux, but don't switch his lab because "the real world uses Windows". The phrase raises it's ugly head in other spots too (substitute Windows for Office and I am fighting that one too). Perhaps we should compile a list of companies that are using Linux on the desktop. If we could illustrate and document that companies large and small are using Linux and switching to Linux on the desktop perhaps we could dispell that statement? Off the top of my head: * IBM - switching to 100% Linux on desktop in 2005? (anyone have an article to support?) * Haliburton - 13,000 desktops switching in 2005 (http://www.cio.com/archive/031503/opensource.html) * Ford - I swear I heard Ford was considering the switch on Slashdot. * Largo, FL * ? Thoughts? >I went in and it was clear from the outset that his hands were tied. > >He wanted Linux - and was very very curious as to how it would perform (I >haven't a spare machine that I could have setup to demonstrate how easy it >is to use) in the school environment. >The management however didnt see the use in using Linux as "the real world >uses Windows" - I gave up at that point, there was no point in talking to >him about it as he was on my side, it was the management who were stubborn >with it. > >Strangle-hold is right - and it's really such a shame. An entire lab has to >be upgraded to make it suitable for Windows 2000. >*sigh* > >Daniel > >-----Original Message----- >From: anthony baldwin [mailto:anthonybaldwin at snet.net] >Sent: 02 June 2004 10:25 >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] D Day > > >daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >> Windows it is ... ah well :o) >> > >I just don't get it....With so many advantages to open source, there is >no logic whatever in choosing to shell out thousands of dollars for >bloated, insecure, buggy, unstable software. >I don't understand why anyone chooses windows or this strangle-hold M$ >has on our schools. It's sickening. >Gosh, I'm probably as dissappointed as you are! > >tony > > >====================================================== >This email and any attached files are confidential and may >be legally privileged. 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If you have received >this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately >by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie >and then delete this email. >Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free >as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, >arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore >does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents >of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage >suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. >If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed Jun 2 12:53:04 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:53:04 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B50@ILFGEXC> Yeah I'd agree - I see this as one HELL of a big problem. But compiling lists like this simply won't work. you NEED media coverage to get this point across. I haven't a clue about how to do it - maybe infect an entire region of school networks with a virus, and you can show the local press that your network is still up and running with zero downtime for 156000 years :) *note* I' not planning this - in case MS are monitoring ;) -----Original Message----- From: Scott Sherrill [mailto:scott at hancock.k12.mi.us] Sent: 02 June 2004 14:00 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] D Day Perhaps we should compile a list of companies that are using Linux on the desktop. If we could illustrate and document that companies large and small are using Linux and switching to Linux on the desktop perhaps we could dispell that statement? ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. 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From webmaster at vol.org Wed Jun 2 13:17:58 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:17:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <40BDC712.8080903@inlandlakes.org> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B4E@ILFGEXC> <40BDC712.8080903@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1086182278.7584.8.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 07:24, Shawn Powers wrote: > BTW, I didn't mean to open a can of worms with the "silly learning game" > comment, that's just our circumstance. I agree with you about the "silly learning games." We have two labs. One is totally LTSP based and the other is a mix of Windows 95 and Apple //e machines. Both the 95 and //e machines are used for edutainment software. The Windows boxes are always giving me software problems due to Shockwave based edutainment websites and assorted CD based junk. The ancient //e machines keep on working with maybe the occasional bad power supply. Except for bad floppies, the software never crashes. Ever. The software is better for actual educational purposes than the Windows stuff as the programmers were able to concentrate more on the educational content rather than graphics as the machines were so limited. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From webmaster at vol.org Wed Jun 2 13:25:37 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:25:37 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about Linux? In-Reply-To: <1086136825.5597.14.camel@L143nb01> References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <1085922051.3996.23.camel@L143nb01> <1086100632.1452.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <1086136825.5597.14.camel@L143nb01> Message-ID: <1086182737.7584.10.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 19:40, John Hansknecht wrote: > It's really not much, carried weight at our school because it was > written by our computer applications teacher. You can download it here: > http://www.uofdhigh.k12.mi.us/resources/technology/tech_board_open_source.pdf Thanks. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 2 14:12:00 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:12:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <1086122021.4131.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <026d01c448ab$95c1f3a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP > Did you try booting the k12ltsp install disk in rescue mode? I have used the WBEL install disk and chosen rescue mode, of course the first time it fails to mount /mnt/sysimage and dumps me to command line. There I create /tmp/sda2 and mount /dev/sda2 /tmp/sda2 then modify /etc/fstab to /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda1 instead of LABEL=/ and LABEL=/boot and leave everything else alone. Then I reboot and it fails to mount /mnt/sysimage again, I run through the same sequence and find that fstab has maintained its settings. Any ideas why it won't mount? It gets an invalid argument when trying to mount sda1 and sda2 on its own and tells me that I have no linux partitions on the system. But fdisk -l lists Device Boot Start End Blocks ID System /dev/sda1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux /dev/sda2 14 841 6650910 83 Linux /dev/sda3 842 1092 2016157 82 Linux Swap Device /dev/sdb1 * 1 6607 53070696 83 Linux (54GB Raid 5 for /home) And if I try to mount /dev/sda1 or 2 to their /tmp/sda1 or 2 I also get an invalid argument error, but if I rm /tmp/sda1 and 2 then mkdir /tmp/sda1 and 2 and mount /dev/sda1 and 2 to /tmp/sda1 and 2 the mount fine and I can again browse the directories cloned from the server. So I tried the "e2label /dev/sda1 /boot" and "e2label /dev/sda2 /" and recorrected the /etc/fstab back to using the LABEL=/ and LABEL=/boot and tried again. Still no luck mounting /mnt/sysimage, same errors. Is there a way for me to rerun the linux rescue from the command line after I have manually mounted the partitions? Also my original system shows this for fdisk -l Device Boot Start End Blocks ID System /dev/sdb1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux /dev/sdb2 14 841 6650910 83 Linux /dev/sdb3 842 1092 2016157 82 Linux Swap Device /dev/sda1 (205GB Raid 5 for /home) So I am currently redoing my raid setups to hopefully get the new mirror to also be sdb instead of sda incase for some reason that is affecting things. But from what current advice seems to hint it shouldn't since I have been manually modifying fstab and system labels? Also is the boot loader actually their since I can mount /dev/sda1 and browse all my kernels and grub.conf and so on? Or do I just have the files but not the necessary boot blocks? I am glad I keep my hair short or I would have one hell of a mess on my desk right now. From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Jun 2 14:32:55 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:32:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DD79@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Terrell Prude', Jr. [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:07 AM >> >> If it's any consolation, my entire school district is also-- >> almost militantly--anti-Free Software. However, I wonder >> what their decision would be if some of the Windows licenses >> had to come out of their personal wallets.... >> >> Is there nobody in the Washington, DC area besides Yorktown >> High School that wants to try this? Nobody?? I'm in the DC area trying to get a lab into my daughter's (private) school. I'm not sure what you want me to try, though. We're a small (~100 students) elementary and middle (K8) school that is only five years old (and only goes up to fifth grade this year, adding a grade each year for three more years). Currently, the only computers are on faculty and staff desks. The second and fifth grade teachers didn't have computers this year from Sept. through December. They hired the fifth grade teacher but didn't budget for a computer for him! The second grade teacher's computer stopped working just as school started and they kept stringing her along. Finally, I took the hard drive out, put it in a new machine and had her up and running in about two hours. I feel bad that I didn't do that in September instead of her having to deal with that for so long but they kept saying the new machine was coming. For me, selling LTSP was not that hard. The choice was not between an expensive Windows based lab and an inexpensive LTSP based lab. The choice was between an inexpensive LTSP lab and NOTHING! My budget of $3,000 for everything was greated fairly warmly. Unfortunately, things seem to be moving VERY slowly, not just on this but on many other issues at the school and I'm becoming a bit discouraged by that. I've been promised my $3k by the end of June but I'll believe it when I see it. At any rate, that would give me enough time to get things set up for the fall and have some time to work with the teachers on how to use the lab. -- Henry From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Jun 2 14:37:25 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:37:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DD7A@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott Sherrill [mailto:scott at hancock.k12.mi.us] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:00 AM >> >> Perhaps we should compile a list of companies that are using >> Linux on the desktop. If we could illustrate and document that >> companies large and small are using Linux and switching to Linux >> on the desktop perhaps we could dispell that statement? >> Oracle to be Linux shop by end of year http://software.silicon.com/os/0,39024651,39120949,00.htm -- Henry From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Jun 2 14:56:31 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:56:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <026d01c448ab$95c1f3a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <026d01c448ab$95c1f3a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40BDEA9F.2060104@lqt.ca> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Also is the boot loader actually their since I can mount /dev/sda1 and >browse all my kernels and grub.conf and so on? Or do I just have the >files but not the necessary boot blocks? > > I'm not sure how things are from rescue mode - but once in rescue mode - if your system is located at /mnt/sysimage, you could mount your disks there and then chroot into it and run grub-install /dev/sda . example (and I'm not real sure about this ...) mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/sysimage/ mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sysimage/boot chroot /mnt/sysimage grub-install /dev/sda reboot from hard drive I have no idea if that will work but it is what I would try ... :/ pantz >I am glad I keep my hair short or I would have one hell of a mess on my >desk right now. > > Yeah hairy desks are not good for old non-optical mice :) pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 2 15:07:12 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:07:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <40BDEA9F.2060104@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <027401c448b3$4baaff20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > I'm not sure how things are from rescue mode - but once in > rescue mode - > if your system is located at /mnt/sysimage, you could mount > your disks > there and then chroot into it and run grub-install /dev/sda . > example (and I'm not real sure about this ...) mount > /dev/sda2 /mnt/sysimage/ mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sysimage/boot > chroot /mnt/sysimage grub-install /dev/sda reboot from hard drive I'll give that a try right now. Also I think the reason Mondo isn't working for me is that it doesn't seem to recognize my raid controller. When at the command booted from Mondo if I do a fdisk -l I get nothing. That might be why nothing mounts for me. Could I load a minimal install of WBEL then insert the Mondo CD's and restore while running from the install that recognizes the RAID controller? From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 2 15:23:18 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:23:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <026d01c448ab$95c1f3a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <026d01c448ab$95c1f3a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1086189797.15182.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 09:12, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have used the WBEL install disk and chosen rescue mode, of course the > first time it fails to mount /mnt/sysimage and dumps me to command line. > There I create /tmp/sda2 and mount /dev/sda2 /tmp/sda2 then modify > /etc/fstab to /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda1 instead of LABEL=/ and LABEL=/boot > and leave everything else alone. Then I reboot and it fails to mount > /mnt/sysimage again, I run through the same sequence and find that fstab > has maintained its settings. Something went wrong saving this file. Note that it is not /etc/fstab but /tmp/sda2/etc/fstab when mounted in the temporary location. You also have to make sure the partition is unmounted cleanly before you reboot or the changes might not be written back. You'll have to get this file changed or add the labels to the partitions so they match. > Any ideas why it won't mount? It gets an > invalid argument when trying to mount sda1 and sda2 on its own and tells > me that I have no linux partitions on the system. But fdisk -l lists > Device Boot Start End Blocks ID System > /dev/sda1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux > /dev/sda2 14 841 6650910 83 Linux > /dev/sda3 842 1092 2016157 82 Linux Swap > Device > /dev/sdb1 * 1 6607 53070696 83 Linux > (54GB Raid 5 for /home) This just shows the drive partition table. You have to have done a high level format with 'mke2fs -j' before the partition is mountable. If you used a high-level approach like ghost it may have done this wrong, and unless it was the very latest version may not have understood the ext3 type. > And if I try to mount /dev/sda1 or 2 to their /tmp/sda1 or 2 I also get > an invalid argument error, but if I rm /tmp/sda1 and 2 then mkdir > /tmp/sda1 and 2 and mount /dev/sda1 and 2 to /tmp/sda1 and 2 the mount > fine and I can again browse the directories cloned from the server. That doesn't make sense. You must have either left something already mounted from an earlier attempt or have accidentally created regular files instead of directories for the mount points. > So I tried the "e2label /dev/sda1 /boot" and "e2label /dev/sda2 /" and > recorrected the /etc/fstab back to using the LABEL=/ and LABEL=/boot and > tried again. Still no luck mounting /mnt/sysimage, same errors. It will probably fail as long as it can't match up every partition mentioned in fstab. Do you have a filesystem on /dev/sdb1 or labeled HOME? The contents probably don't matter, but it needs a formatted filesystem to mount. > Is there a way for me to rerun the linux rescue from the command line > after I have manually mounted the partitions? The rescue boot doesn't do any real magic. You can accomplish the same thing by mounting the partitions in their relative positions yourself. That is, if you mount your root partition on /tmp/sda2, then mount /dev/sda1 as /tmp/sda2/boot. Then 'chroot /tmp/sda2'. This does require using a boot CD that is approximately the same version as what is on the hard drive because you start executing code from the mounted partition as soon as you chroot. The chroot command changes your concept of the root of the filesystem so what was /tmp/sda2 now becomes / (as it would be in normal operation). > Also my original system shows this for fdisk -l > Device Boot Start End Blocks ID System > /dev/sdb1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux > /dev/sdb2 14 841 6650910 83 Linux > /dev/sdb3 842 1092 2016157 82 Linux Swap > Device > /dev/sda1 (205GB Raid 5 for /home) > > So I am currently redoing my raid setups to hopefully get the new mirror > to also be sdb instead of sda incase for some reason that is affecting > things. No, it is odd to boot from the second drive unless you have a dual-boot system. > But from what current advice seems to hint it shouldn't since I > have been manually modifying fstab and system labels? > > Also is the boot loader actually their since I can mount /dev/sda1 and > browse all my kernels and grub.conf and so on? Or do I just have the > files but not the necessary boot blocks? Yes, if everything is correct on the partitions when you mount them, all you need is to have fstab match the correct names or labels and get the boot block installed. I was assuming that you would keep the same partitions, so you may have to adjust your grub.conf if you have swapped sda/sdb. If this is an older system you may be able to make a boot floppy that will save some time if you don't get grub right the first time or two, but current kernels are too big to fit. From your chroot shell, try: mkbootdisk --device /dev/fd0 kernel_version where kernel_version is the number returned by 'uname -r' on the master system. > I am glad I keep my hair short or I would have one hell of a mess on my > desk right now. It does tend to be frustrating because the reboot cycle takes so long. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com \ From accessys at smart.net Wed Jun 2 15:30:47 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Scott Sherrill wrote: > I think the phrase "the real world uses Windows" is the next big > point we need to address. The same statement has been mentioned at > > Perhaps we should compile a list of companies that are using Linux on > the desktop. If we could illustrate and document that companies large > and small are using Linux and switching to Linux on the desktop > perhaps we could dispell that statement? OK in the spirit of whateverr my company, Access Systems, consulting engineers we are not large by any stretch but we have been 100% linux in all applications for over 5 years and partially used linux alongside MS/DOS for a number of years before that. we NEVER used windows in our office. and I'm getting dern tired of having to retrain new employees when they get here because they have no clue how to actually use a computer. all they can do is turn on windows. most when they get comfortable with linux pick up a copy for themselves, or at least OO.o (probably snagged from thier computer at work) which doesn't bother me. we have an absolute rule though, IF ANY WINDOWS (proprietary) Software is found on thier computer under thier password they are immediately terminated, and they cannot load any proprietary software without permission. (knock on wood, we have NEVER had a virus or trojan or anything, get into our system and do damage, an occasional new virus will get past our firewall but has always been inert) so from the real world. Bob I also use Dvorak keyboard on my computer but that is another issue ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From csitech at davisny.edu Wed Jun 2 15:55:33 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:55:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <1086191733.32680.2.camel@localhost> > Perhaps we should compile a list of companies that are using Linux on > the desktop. If we could illustrate and document that companies large > and small are using Linux and switching to Linux on the desktop > perhaps we could dispell that statement? > > Off the top of my head: > > * IBM - switching to 100% Linux on desktop in 2005? (anyone have an > article to support?) > * Haliburton - 13,000 desktops switching in 2005 > (http://www.cio.com/archive/031503/opensource.html) > * Ford - I swear I heard Ford was considering the switch on Slashdot. > * Largo, FL > * ? Well, not sure what this might be worth, but our college is switching to an all Linux Computer Center for Fall of 2004. Moreover, almost all of the systems that students have access to (Finicial Aid, Library, etc) have already been switched to Linux. Again, not sure if this would sway anyone over, but it is an example of how HS students will run into Linux as early as college. Is anyone actually writing this down? A wiki perhaps? -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 2 16:31:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:31:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <1086189797.15182.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <02b101c448bf$01e980d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > This just shows the drive partition table. You have to have > done a high level format with 'mke2fs -j' before the > partition is mountable. If you used a high-level approach > like ghost it may have done this wrong, and unless it was the > very latest version may not have understood the ext3 type. I think you are right here. Ghost doesn't seem to carry over the proper formatting. I can mount and see things but grub doesn't believe I have a partition worth installing onto. I think I will look at this as a good opportunity to document the installation procedure to build the server from scratch. Then hope to figure out cloning and backups at a more convenient date. Thanks for all of your help everyone, I just cannot seem to grasp the concepts here. Ghost is easy but hoses formatting, Mondo looks like it could be easy but doesn't recognize my SCSI controller, RSYNC over NFS didn't give me a bootable file system, as I understand I would have to create it manually, install a boot loader, then rsync files. I tried the BackupPC but that looks like I need to configure a backup server and time is running short. Sure seems like this shouldn't be so difficult, but I always run into trouble with SCSI Raid in Win platforms as well. From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 2 16:58:06 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:58:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <02b101c448bf$01e980d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <02b101c448bf$01e980d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1086195486.15182.76.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 11:31, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I think you are right here. Ghost doesn't seem to carry over the proper > formatting. I can mount and see things but grub doesn't believe I have > a partition worth installing onto. If you can mount it yourself it should work as long as the names/labels match in fstab. Try the 'mount /dev/sda1 on /tmp/sda2/boot' and run 'grub-install' approach. > I think I will look at this as a good opportunity to document the > installation procedure to build the server from scratch. Then hope to > figure out cloning and backups at a more convenient date. This is actually a safer thing to do anyway. If you want to move to server with a different disk controller the clone procedure becomes much more complicated. As long as /home is on it's own partition, it is not too difficult to re-create everything else you might have changed. > Thanks for all of your help everyone, I just cannot seem to grasp the > concepts here. I think you are pretty close. > Ghost is easy but hoses formatting, Mondo looks like it could be easy > but doesn't recognize my SCSI controller [...] High-level approaches just combine a lot of steps for you. The problem is that when they don't quite work you can't tell which of the simple steps went wrong. The only part of what you are doing that is very difficult is installing the boot loader and if you get all the other parts right to where booting a CD in rescue mode lets you chroot to your mounted partitions, the grub-install script will do that for you. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Jun 2 16:59:43 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:59:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DD7C@remail2.westat.com> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Scott Sherrill [mailto:scott at hancock.k12.mi.us] >> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:00 AM >> >> >> >> Perhaps we should compile a list of companies that are using >> >> Linux on the desktop. If we could illustrate and document that >> >> companies large and small are using Linux and switching to Linux >> >> on the desktop perhaps we could dispell that statement? There's also this one about the Howard County (Maryland) library's migration to Linux http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/05/03/1520209.shtml?tid=2&tid=82&tid=94 I'm in Montgomery County and I haven't visited a Howard Co. library but it sounds like they did the right thing. -- Henry From troybanther at plateautel.net Wed Jun 2 17:02:33 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:02:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <1086195753.7767.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Wow. Oracle, IBM, Novell, schools, cities, and private midrange companies going Linux. I know I am on the right path of learning Linux every day. Man I wish I could find a Linux-based job in New Mexico. One that would pay more than 28k a year for slopping Win every day. Troy On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 09:30, Access Systems wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Scott Sherrill wrote: > > > I think the phrase "the real world uses Windows" is the next big > > point we need to address. The same statement has been mentioned at > > > > Perhaps we should compile a list of companies that are using Linux on > > the desktop. If we could illustrate and document that companies large > > and small are using Linux and switching to Linux on the desktop > > perhaps we could dispell that statement? > > OK in the spirit of whateverr > > my company, Access Systems, consulting engineers > we are not large by any stretch but we have been > 100% linux in all applications for over 5 years and partially used linux > alongside MS/DOS for a number of years before that. we NEVER used windows > in our office. > and I'm getting dern tired of having to retrain new employees when they > get here because they have no clue how to actually use a computer. all > they can do is turn on windows. most when they get comfortable with linux > pick up a copy for themselves, or at least OO.o (probably snagged from > thier computer at work) which doesn't bother me. > > we have an absolute rule though, IF ANY WINDOWS (proprietary) Software is > found on thier computer under thier password they are immediately > terminated, and they cannot load any proprietary software without > permission. > > (knock on wood, we have NEVER had a virus or trojan or anything, get into > our system and do damage, an occasional new virus will get past our > firewall but has always been inert) > > so from the real world. > > Bob > I also use Dvorak keyboard on my computer but that is another issue > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at rossberry.com Wed Jun 2 17:06:42 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <1086191733.32680.2.camel@localhost> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> <1086191733.32680.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Calvin Park wrote: > Well, not sure what this might be worth, but our college is switching to > an all Linux Computer Center for Fall of 2004. Moreover, almost all of > the systems that students have access to (Finicial Aid, Library, etc) > have already been switched to Linux. Again, not sure if this would sway > anyone over, but it is an example of how HS students will run into Linux > as early as college. If you watch closely you can see that Lowe's is using what looks like a Linux thin client, at least in their wallpaper department. It is definitely a kde implementation. Autozone also uses Linux. Looks like as a login from a terminal arrangement. In both cases, I happened to catch a terminal as it rebooted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 2 17:19:48 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:19:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00d201c448c5$cea08500$1803010a@paasda.org> Well those touch screen 'check yourself out' at the grocery stores are using NT =) saw 3 of them go down at once one day... I just chuckled to myself and walked past to the bubbly cashier with the smile and personality... mind you if I only have 1 or two items I'll hit the 'checkout kiosk'... wonder if anyone has developed those kiosks with a linux solution to save $$ for HUGE grocery store chains...*shrugs*...an idea for one of you guru's out there tired of working for 'the man' =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wildman Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:07 AM To: csitech at davisny.edu; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] D Day On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Calvin Park wrote: > Well, not sure what this might be worth, but our college is switching > to an all Linux Computer Center for Fall of 2004. Moreover, almost all > of the systems that students have access to (Finicial Aid, Library, > etc) have already been switched to Linux. Again, not sure if this > would sway anyone over, but it is an example of how HS students will > run into Linux as early as college. If you watch closely you can see that Lowe's is using what looks like a Linux thin client, at least in their wallpaper department. It is definitely a kde implementation. Autozone also uses Linux. Looks like as a login from a terminal arrangement. In both cases, I happened to catch a terminal as it rebooted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dsokolowsky at lucent.com Wed Jun 2 17:19:26 2004 From: dsokolowsky at lucent.com (David Sokolowsky) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:19:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> <1086191733.32680.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40BE0C1E.1020201@lucent.com> A pretty good sample on this page: http://linux.bryanconsulting.com/stories/storyReader$45 "Who's Using Linux?" Technology * Google * Hewlett-Packard * Intel * LinOra Corp. * Oracle Telecommunications * Telstra * Verizon Transportation * Air New Zealand * Boeing * Canadian National Railway Co. * Chrysler * European auto manufacturers * Ford Europe Retail * Amazon * Boscov's * Burger King [SNIP] From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 2 17:20:18 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:20:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <1086195486.15182.76.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <02d101c448c5$e40ed130$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > If you can mount it yourself it should work as long as the > names/labels match in fstab. Try the 'mount /dev/sda1 on > /tmp/sda2/boot' and run 'grub-install' approach. I can mount /dev/sda1 on /tmp/sda2/boot (and of course /dev/sda2 on /tmp/sda2) the run grub-install which tells me it needs a device. So I try to run grub-install /dev/sda and I get an error saying it cannot find a /boot sector on the drive (I have also tried to pass it /dev/sda1 with the same result). But I know damn well I can see it. I have tried issuing the grub-install command both running from the CD and when Chrooted into /tmp/sda2, but I still get the same errors. That is what make me think the formatting is hosed from Ghost. Also when I go to install a clean version of WBEL onto the Ghost formatted drives I have a small amount of free space in the front and back of the drive that I cannot get rid of unless I initialize the drives from the SCSI bios and start over, which really makes me think Ghost is hosing things. If you have any other ideas I will give them a shot, but I am sure you guys are busy too :-) From jfaletra at sau16.org Wed Jun 2 17:40:56 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:40:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Push a gnome toobar (panel) Message-ID: Does anyone know how I can create a panel and push it to all of my thinclient users? I want to "modify" the "taskbar" at the bottom of the screen. THis is for gnome. I would like to modify the menu in ICEwm as well Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Jun 2 17:43:24 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:43:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <02d101c448c5$e40ed130$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <02d101c448c5$e40ed130$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40BE11BC.1040407@lqt.ca> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I have tried >issuing the grub-install command both running from the CD and when >Chrooted into /tmp/sda2, but I still get the same errors. That is what >make me think the formatting is hosed from Ghost. Also when I go to >install a clean version of WBEL onto the Ghost formatted drives I have a >small amount of free space in the front and back of the drive that I >cannot get rid of unless I initialize the drives from the SCSI bios and >start over, which really makes me think Ghost is hosing things. > > The fact that grub-install doesn't recognize your /dev/sda seems strange to me. It makes me think that there is something wrong with the filesystem underneath. On the rsync topic - when you boot the new server with a knoppix cd - do you see the raid-enabled sda? If so - have you tried this : 1. partition disk with fdisk - setting up partitions the same as the original machine except home is smaller IIRC ... 2. mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 3. mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda2 4. swapon /dev/sdX (not sure you need this step) 5. mkdir /tmp/newroot 6. mkdir /tmp/newroot/boot 7. mount /dev/sda2 /tmp/newroot 8. mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/newroot/boot 9. run the rsync command which syncs original /boot to /tmp/newroot/boot 10. run the rsync command which syncs original / to /tmp/newroot 11. chroot /tmp/newroot 12. grub-install /dev/sda 13. reboot No idea if that would work but it would be the steps I would try ... good luck :) pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From accessys at smart.net Wed Jun 2 18:05:34 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <40BD9CEA.8050709@snet.net> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B42@ILFGEXC> <40BD9CEA.8050709@snet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > > Windows it is ... ah well :o) > > I just don't get it....With so many advantages to open source, there is > no logic whatever in choosing to shell out thousands of dollars for > bloated, insecure, buggy, unstable software. > I don't understand why anyone chooses windows or this strangle-hold M$ > has on our schools. It's sickening. Marketing, marketing marketing. no one ever said gates was stupid.....he gave it away to make billions. > Gosh, I'm probably as dissappointed as you are! but not unexpected. they had already made up their minds so don't try to confuse em with the facts. Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 2 18:04:37 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:04:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <40BE11BC.1040407@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <02d201c448cc$146ef200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > On the rsync topic - when you boot the new server with a > knoppix cd - do > you see the raid-enabled sda? > If so - have you tried this : > 1. partition disk with fdisk - setting up partitions the same as the > original machine except home is smaller IIRC ... > 2. mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 > 3. mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda2 > 4. swapon /dev/sdX (not sure you need this step) > 5. mkdir /tmp/newroot > 6. mkdir /tmp/newroot/boot > 7. mount /dev/sda2 /tmp/newroot > 8. mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/newroot/boot > 9. run the rsync command which syncs original /boot to > /tmp/newroot/boot 10. run the rsync command which syncs > original / to /tmp/newroot 11. chroot /tmp/newroot 12. > grub-install /dev/sda 13. reboot What would be the syntax you would use to rsync the 2 machines? There are a lot of switches and suggestion in Google. I assume I would issue the rsync command from the Knoppix booted machine? So far the syntax I have seen suggested would be "rsync -a -e ssh user at masterserver:/boot /tmp/newroot/boot", is that even close? I think this will all work assuming Knoppix recognizes my SCSI controller. I think the format from scratch will fix my boot loader problems. I haven't booted the machine with Knoppix yet but did burn a CD this morning to have ready. Right now I am trying a different approach (and it feels sloppy), I loaded a minimal install of WBEL, booted the machine up and logged in as root, then issued "rsync -a -e ssh root at masterserver:/ /" and it is chuggin away. But I have a feeling this will just turn up crap :-) From haysja at sages.us Wed Jun 2 18:13:52 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:13:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP Message-ID: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> OK. So I have my K12LTSP lab in place and it is working well. I would like to have our teachers (at their Windows workstations on the "outside" of the lab) access the K12LTSP box using CygWin. What do I have to do at the server to make this happen? What do I have to do at the Windows box to make this happen? I would like to use this to "introduce" teachers to Linux and K12LTSP in a "non-threatening" way. (So I don't get threatened......) Ideas? Thanks. From haysja at sages.us Wed Jun 2 18:15:17 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:15:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> References: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> Message-ID: <40BE1935.1070206@sages.us> OK. I know it's CygWin and not cigwin. (Just extinguishing flames :) Jim Hays wrote: > OK. So I have my K12LTSP lab in place and it is working well. I > would like to have our teachers (at their Windows workstations on the > "outside" of the lab) access the K12LTSP box using CygWin. > What do I have to do at the server to make this happen? > > What do I have to do at the Windows box to make this happen? > > I would like to use this to "introduce" teachers to Linux and K12LTSP > in a "non-threatening" way. (So I don't get threatened......) > > Ideas? > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 2 18:17:26 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:17:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00d601c448cd$dbb0a920$1803010a@paasda.org> On a side-note...I just received the same bad news today... instead of going with K12ltsp... they opt'd for MS and all proprietary software... wouldn't even give in to OO...but why would they when the MS license includes OS and Office suite... So... 100 machines at roughly $50 per machine each year... is a mere $5000 ...mind you, this is at a private school which just cut 8 teaching staff 1 yr ago because of budget restraints...Oh..and that's just for the MS portion...not to mention the Adobe, Macromedia, Norton AV Corporate Ed., Novell, and Ghost licenses. --Huck From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Jun 2 18:20:03 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:20:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <02d201c448cc$146ef200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <02d201c448cc$146ef200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40BE1A53.9020503@lqt.ca> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>On the rsync topic - when you boot the new server with a >>knoppix cd - do >>you see the raid-enabled sda? >>If so - have you tried this : >>1. partition disk with fdisk - setting up partitions the same as the >>original machine except home is smaller IIRC ... >>2. mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 >>3. mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda2 >>4. swapon /dev/sdX (not sure you need this step) >>5. mkdir /tmp/newroot >>6. mkdir /tmp/newroot/boot >>7. mount /dev/sda2 /tmp/newroot >>8. mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/newroot/boot >>9. run the rsync command which syncs original /boot to >>/tmp/newroot/boot 10. run the rsync command which syncs >>original / to /tmp/newroot 11. chroot /tmp/newroot 12. >>grub-install /dev/sda 13. reboot >> >> > >What would be the syntax you would use to rsync the 2 machines? There >are a lot of switches and suggestion in Google. I assume I would issue >the rsync command from the Knoppix booted machine? > Here is the syntax I use in a script I have: rsync -avzL -e "ssh -i /root/.ssh/id_rsa" --delete --stats /data/updates/ root at remotehost:/home/yum-repository/redhat/updates/ But for you this would mean syncing FROM the original TO the new machine. That means running the rsync command on the 'original' and finding out the ip of the knoppix-booted 'new' machine (I'm not sure about password for knoppix root either ...). Also note that the tailing slashes in both paths are important. If the source path ends in a slash - it copies the contents of the directory, if it doesn't end in a slash - it will copy the directory. I'm sure there is a way to reverse my rsync command so you can run it from the knoppix machine (maybe just switch source/destination order?) but i will leave that to you if you're interested ... >Right now I am trying a different approach (and it feels sloppy), I >loaded a minimal install of WBEL, booted the machine up and logged in as >root, then issued "rsync -a -e ssh root at masterserver:/ /" and it is >chuggin away. But I have a feeling this will just turn up crap :-) > > Mmm, not sure how it will go replacing your / partition when you are currently in it running commands?? Let us know ... pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From csitech at davisny.edu Wed Jun 2 18:23:25 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:23:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <00d601c448cd$dbb0a920$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <00d601c448cd$dbb0a920$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1086200604.32680.5.camel@localhost> I feel your pain man. We have a VP at our college here, and he is convinced that MS is the way to go. A friend of mine (the webmaster for the college) was asked yesterday..."So, is it because of budget constraints that we're settling for Linux?" He was like, "Settling! I'd like to see Server 2003 do what the 2.6 Kernel can!" So yeah, anyway...it's all over the place. -Calvin On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 14:17, Huck wrote: > On a side-note...I just received the same bad news today... > instead of going with K12ltsp... > they opt'd for MS and all proprietary software... > wouldn't even give in to OO...but why would they when the MS license > includes > OS and Office suite... > > So... 100 machines at roughly $50 per machine each year... is a mere > $5000 > ...mind you, this is at a private school which just cut 8 teaching staff > 1 yr ago > because of budget restraints...Oh..and that's just for the MS > portion...not to mention the Adobe, > Macromedia, Norton AV Corporate Ed., Novell, and Ghost licenses. > > > --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 2 18:31:14 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:31:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <40BE1A53.9020503@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <02d301c448cf$cc3063d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > Mmm, not sure how it will go replacing your / partition when you are > currently in it running commands?? Let us know ... I kind of figured it is a long shot :-) Even if it works I don't know if I will trust it. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 2 18:39:58 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:39:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <00d601c448cd$dbb0a920$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <00d601c448cd$dbb0a920$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: Don't give up....keep trying over the next few years.... we're with ya'! "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >On a side-note...I just received the same bad news today... >instead of going with K12ltsp... >they opt'd for MS and all proprietary software... >wouldn't even give in to OO...but why would they when the MS license >includes >OS and Office suite... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Wed Jun 2 18:43:43 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:43:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40BE1935.1070206@sages.us> References: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> <40BE1935.1070206@sages.us> Message-ID: Jim, If you have cygwin, and you have Xwindows installed you don't have to do anything on the server. By default the server allows connections from X no matter if the client is thin or thick. We use cygwin in our labs, and I wrote a quick .bat script that calls my server. Don't have it with me right now, but I could dig it up if there is interest. Scott >OK. I know it's CygWin and not cigwin. (Just extinguishing flames :) > > >Jim Hays wrote: > >>OK. So I have my K12LTSP lab in place and it is working well. I >>would like to have our teachers (at their Windows workstations on >>the "outside" of the lab) access the K12LTSP box using CygWin. >>What do I have to do at the server to make this happen? >> >>What do I have to do at the Windows box to make this happen? >> >>I would like to use this to "introduce" teachers to Linux and >>K12LTSP in a "non-threatening" way. (So I don't get >>threatened......) >> >>Ideas? >> >>Thanks. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Jun 2 18:45:07 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:45:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NewsWire feed (long) Message-ID: Hi gang Feel free to forward the enclosed article to your local newspaper or wire feed - if you have any suggestions, please send them off list to ahodson at elp.rr.com =============================================================================== Open Source Software and Linux - avoiding a lawsuit by Alan A Hodson In the not too distant future, when taxpayer groups decide to hold their school districts and Board of Trustees accountable for the senseless spending of hundreds of thousands of dollars in computer technology purchases, especially software, there will be court sessions where the Prosecutor will be grilling the district's Legal Counsel with questions similar to these: P: Was the district aware of the existence of Open Source applications that involve no cost and no licensing fees to install in Mac and PC laptops? LC: Yes, I am aware of at least one department that after purchasing laptops found that they had no money left for software, so they used StarOffice, an Open Source application that is equivalent to Microsoft's Office... P: Are you saying that the district knows that there are software products that require no licensing, can be given to teachers and students to use, and still insist on paying hundreds of dollars per computer to provide basic functionality to desktops and laptops? LC: I am told that "the real world" uses Microsoft, so the district buys the product the child is likely to see in the workplace when they graduate. P: Please indulge me - what kind of car did you, madam, learn to drive on? LC: It was a 64 Ford truck with standard transmission... P: Did you learn to drive 64 Fords only, or were the skills learned transferable to any car, anywhere, at anytime? LC: You saw me parallel park this morning, what do you think? P: I frankly was impressed... very precise maneuvering. The point is, regardless of how you learn a skill, if you learn it well, you will be able to use it appropriately in the future, don't you agree? LC: It seems reasonable to accept that statement. P: So, if the skill of learning word processing, spreadsheet use and presentation software use is learned correctly, say using software that loads and saves in the "real world" formats, as Open Source software allows, then there is no need to spend all that money for proprietary products, is there? LC: Looking at the results, you may have an argument. But I understand districts want uniformity and a vendor they can call when anything with the software goes wrong - Does Open Source provide that? P: Because applications such as StarOffice or OpenOffice are Open Source, and programmers can look at the code that runs these applications, the international community is very quick in finding solutions to potential flaws and problems. They have an intellectual interest in making sure that the Open Source application stays problem free, so instead of an 800 number offering classical music you have the Internet with Special Interest Groups that are monitored 24 hours a day, again for free. That being said, have you directed the district to adopt a policy of Open Records that applies to the software they use? LC: I am not sure I follow... P: Open Records can be interpreted not only as the transparency of the dealings of the district, but also as the use of proprietary formats that may change over time at the software maker's whim. Open Source software, on the other hand, uses standards and coding available to any programmer, so records become independent of the application that created them. In a sense, you exclude proprietary vendors from the record gathering or storage process. The question stands. LC: Nobody has ever challenged the electronic access format of any of the district's records, but I suppose eventually someone will. How would recommending Open Source adoption change anything? The district would still have a file called FILENAME.DOC created via MS Word or Open Office. P: The difference is that the district would not be spending tax money from Joe Taxpayer's payments - he's worked hard enough to earn them, and there should be a policy in place at the district level to make sure money is not being thrown away. LC: You could make the same case for any government agency... We all use proprietary software. P: There will be other lawsuits and motions to address that irregularity. I want to make sure Legal Council admits for the purpose of this trial that there has been no distinct effort on the part of the district to reduce the so called Digital Divide, by incorporating Open Source software installation and distribution as a priority in all computer desktops and laptops, and that in fact no serious studies have been made to use Linux as a desktop Operating System, replacing Window's propensity for infections by viruses and hackers. LC: Linux as an operating system? What does that have to do with Open Source? P: All Linux code is Open Source, all the applications we've been discussing are Open Source applications that run on Linux also. Under certain circumstances, you can have Mac and PC computers also running Linux, making it the one operating system that runs on all platforms. This is the one standard that the district could have, if they decided to protect the investment made in hardware. LC: Protecting the investment? Are you talking about old equipment also? P: Proper research and a willingness to change from the traditional solutions would point out that Linux is ideal for old equipment, and that for machines whose hard drive or CD player no longer functions, the district could turn them into diskless clients following the K12LTSP.org model, labs with one powerful server and PC diskless workstations of every make and model. LC: You mentioned MS Office products - what other Open Source products would there be as an incentive for the district to start considering the "official" adoption of Open Source as a district standard? P: Linux comes with hundreds of free applications, and can be installed on any PC as a dual boot system, to at least offer students that choice. For Macs and PCs, there are major applications such as GIMP, a Photoshop equivalent, Mozilla a powerful browser and HTML composer, LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP), TuxMath and TuxPaint, and many more. Almost every major application in the market has its Open Source equivalent. LC: I would like to ask for a recess to meet with my client and propose a settlement. What major arguments would the Prosecutor suggest I put forth? P: Open Source software has several distinct advantages over proprietary software. The widespread peer review process involved in open source development creates software which is more error-free and resource-efficient than proprietary software. In addition, Open Source is a must for security-critical applications- true security is never achieved by attempting to conceal any security defects that a program may have, but rather by allowing anyone interested to seek out these flaws and eliminate them. Open Source allows for that. In terms of who will survive, if resilience is an issue, the open-source culture will triumph not because cooperation is morally right or software "hoarding" is morally wrong, ...but simply because the closed-source world cannot win an evolutionary arms race with open-source communities that can put orders of magnitude more skilled time into a problem. And so, Legal Counsel goes off to try and convince the district, that being accountable to the taxpayer's rights, and saving money by embracing Open Source alternatives are issues that must be addressed sooner, rather than later. =============================================================================== From haysja at sages.us Wed Jun 2 18:48:04 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:48:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> <40BE1935.1070206@sages.us> Message-ID: <40BE20E4.3010200@sages.us> Thanks for the reply. I would love to see that script. I haven't played with this yet. I thought I would pick the brains of the list before I tried it to make sure I wasn't going down a dead end. Scott Sherrill wrote: > Jim, > > If you have cygwin, and you have Xwindows installed you don't have to > do anything on the server. By default the server allows connections > from X no matter if the client is thin or thick. > > We use cygwin in our labs, and I wrote a quick .bat script that calls > my server. Don't have it with me right now, but I could dig it up if > there is interest. > > > Scott > >> OK. I know it's CygWin and not cigwin. (Just extinguishing flames :) >> >> >> Jim Hays wrote: >> >>> OK. So I have my K12LTSP lab in place and it is working well. I >>> would like to have our teachers (at their Windows workstations on >>> the "outside" of the lab) access the K12LTSP box using CygWin. >>> What do I have to do at the server to make this happen? >>> >>> What do I have to do at the Windows box to make this happen? >>> >>> I would like to use this to "introduce" teachers to Linux and >>> K12LTSP in a "non-threatening" way. (So I don't get threatened......) >>> >>> Ideas? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Wed Jun 2 18:53:48 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:53:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40BE20E4.3010200@sages.us> References: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> <40BE1935.1070206@sages.us> <40BE20E4.3010200@sages.us> Message-ID: cygwin to a K12LTSP server works fantastic and gives kids one more seat to connect.... I will dig it up tomorrow and send to the list. >Thanks for the reply. > >I would love to see that script. I haven't played with this yet. >I thought I would pick the brains of the list before I tried it to >make sure I wasn't going down a dead end. > > > >Scott Sherrill wrote: > >>Jim, >> >>If you have cygwin, and you have Xwindows installed you don't have >>to do anything on the server. By default the server allows >>connections from X no matter if the client is thin or thick. >> >>We use cygwin in our labs, and I wrote a quick .bat script that >>calls my server. Don't have it with me right now, but I could dig >>it up if there is interest. >> >> >>Scott >> >>>OK. I know it's CygWin and not cigwin. (Just extinguishing flames :) >>> >>> >>>Jim Hays wrote: >>> >>>>OK. So I have my K12LTSP lab in place and it is working well. I >>>>would like to have our teachers (at their Windows workstations on >>>>the "outside" of the lab) access the K12LTSP box using CygWin. >>>>What do I have to do at the server to make this happen? >>>> >>>>What do I have to do at the Windows box to make this happen? >>>> >>>>I would like to use this to "introduce" teachers to Linux and >>>>K12LTSP in a "non-threatening" way. (So I don't get >>>>threatened......) >>>> >>>>Ideas? >>>> >>>>Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 2 19:01:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:01:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40BE20E4.3010200@sages.us> References: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> <40BE1935.1070206@sages.us> <40BE20E4.3010200@sages.us> Message-ID: <1086202868.15182.104.camel@moola.futuresource.com> There are two ways to connect. This one looks just like the thin client: Double-click the Cygwin icon on the desktop to get a bash shell, then type: Xwin -fullscreen -query your_k12ltsp_server You should get the graphic login prompt, followed by the full desktop from the server. The only difference is that windows hotkey actions override the X versions so alt-tab will toggle the active MS window instead of within the X desktop (etc). The other way is to: export DISPLAY=:0 Xwin -multiwindow & ssh -X your_k12ltsp_server ...start one or more X programs by typing their names. This way opens separate windows for each X applications that are managed more or less like MS apps. Do it the first way to introduce Linux and X, the second if you want to run one or just a few applications remotely, mixed with some MS apps. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 13:48, Jim Hays wrote: > Thanks for the reply. > > I would love to see that script. I haven't played with this yet. I > thought I would pick the brains of the list before I tried it to make > sure I wasn't going down a dead end. > > > > Scott Sherrill wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > If you have cygwin, and you have Xwindows installed you don't have to > > do anything on the server. By default the server allows connections > > from X no matter if the client is thin or thick. > > > > We use cygwin in our labs, and I wrote a quick .bat script that calls > > my server. Don't have it with me right now, but I could dig it up if > > there is interest. > > > > > > Scott > > > >> OK. I know it's CygWin and not cigwin. (Just extinguishing flames :) > >> > >> > >> Jim Hays wrote: > >> > >>> OK. So I have my K12LTSP lab in place and it is working well. I > >>> would like to have our teachers (at their Windows workstations on > >>> the "outside" of the lab) access the K12LTSP box using CygWin. > >>> What do I have to do at the server to make this happen? > >>> > >>> What do I have to do at the Windows box to make this happen? > >>> > >>> I would like to use this to "introduce" teachers to Linux and > >>> K12LTSP in a "non-threatening" way. (So I don't get threatened......) > >>> > >>> Ideas? > >>> > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From haysja at sages.us Wed Jun 2 19:21:52 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:21:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1086202868.15182.104.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> <40BE1935.1070206@sages.us> <40BE20E4.3010200@sages.us> <1086202868.15182.104.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40BE28D0.1040107@sages.us> I tried each of these with no success. I tried Xwin -fullscreen -query 10.1.6.100 and got the "gray screen" (I successfully connected with vncviewer 10.1.6.100) Which is better? VncViewer or CygWin? Les Mikesell wrote: >There are two ways to connect. This one looks just like the thin >client: >Double-click the Cygwin icon on the desktop to get a bash shell, >then type: >Xwin -fullscreen -query your_k12ltsp_server >You should get the graphic login prompt, followed by the full desktop >from the server. The only difference is that windows hotkey actions >override the X versions so alt-tab will toggle the active MS window >instead of within the X desktop (etc). > >The other way is to: >export DISPLAY=:0 >Xwin -multiwindow & >ssh -X your_k12ltsp_server >...start one or more X programs by typing their names. >This way opens separate windows for each X applications that are >managed more or less like MS apps. > >Do it the first way to introduce Linux and X, the second if you >want to run one or just a few applications remotely, mixed with >some MS apps. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > >On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 13:48, Jim Hays wrote: > > >>Thanks for the reply. >> >>I would love to see that script. I haven't played with this yet. I >>thought I would pick the brains of the list before I tried it to make >>sure I wasn't going down a dead end. >> >> >> >>Scott Sherrill wrote: >> >> >> >>>Jim, >>> >>>If you have cygwin, and you have Xwindows installed you don't have to >>>do anything on the server. By default the server allows connections >>>from X no matter if the client is thin or thick. >>> >>>We use cygwin in our labs, and I wrote a quick .bat script that calls >>>my server. Don't have it with me right now, but I could dig it up if >>>there is interest. >>> >>> >>>Scott >>> >>> >>> >>>>OK. I know it's CygWin and not cigwin. (Just extinguishing flames :) >>>> >>>> >>>>Jim Hays wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>OK. So I have my K12LTSP lab in place and it is working well. I >>>>>would like to have our teachers (at their Windows workstations on >>>>>the "outside" of the lab) access the K12LTSP box using CygWin. >>>>>What do I have to do at the server to make this happen? >>>>> >>>>>What do I have to do at the Windows box to make this happen? >>>>> >>>>>I would like to use this to "introduce" teachers to Linux and >>>>>K12LTSP in a "non-threatening" way. (So I don't get threatened......) >>>>> >>>>>Ideas? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 2 19:42:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:42:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40BE28D0.1040107@sages.us> References: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> <40BE1935.1070206@sages.us> <40BE20E4.3010200@sages.us> <1086202868.15182.104.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40BE28D0.1040107@sages.us> Message-ID: <1086205341.22936.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 14:21, Jim Hays wrote: > I tried each of these with no success. > > I tried > > Xwin -fullscreen -query 10.1.6.100 > > and got the "gray screen" This should work from any location that would work with a thin client. Perhaps you are hitting the 'outside' interface that has iptables firewalling. The ssh -X variation should have worked if you were able to log in, though. > (I successfully connected with vncviewer 10.1.6.100) > > Which is better? VncViewer or CygWin? If you have good bandwidth, Cygwin is better. If you are working remotely over a slow link, VNC is better. VNC periodically scans the screen buffer, sending changes so during fast updates it can skip some and catch up with the final results. Using X directly, you have to transmit every change as it happens. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 2 19:58:14 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:58:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <02d201c448cc$146ef200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <02d201c448cc$146ef200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1086206293.22936.24.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 13:04, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > 4. swapon /dev/sdX (not sure you need this step) I think you need a 'mkswap partition_name' first, but this may have already been done if you don't repartition. > What would be the syntax you would use to rsync the 2 machines? There > are a lot of switches and suggestion in Google. I assume I would issue > the rsync command from the Knoppix booted machine? So far the syntax I > have seen suggested would be "rsync -a -e ssh user at masterserver:/boot > /tmp/newroot/boot", is that even close? I always like to use -avH and --one-file-system options in addition to -essh. -a sets most of the other options needed for backup (recurse and keep all attributes possible) with the exception of hard links (thus the -H). The -one-file-system keeps it from wandering into /proc or a mounted cdrom or nfs mount and you need it to skip /home if it is on a different partition that you want to do separately. Also, rsync will create one (and only one) top level directory for the target but I always forget whether your syntax would make a /boot/boot and put everything under it or not, so I like to cd to the top of the source directory and use '.' as the source for rsync to ensure that it won't make a new directory to match at the destination. > Right now I am trying a different approach (and it feels sloppy), I > loaded a minimal install of WBEL, booted the machine up and logged in as > root, then issued "rsync -a -e ssh root at masterserver:/ /" and it is > chuggin away. But I have a feeling this will just turn up crap :-) If you had done that before the other steps you would have ended up with a grub loader installed. Even if you screw up the grub config later, you'd get an interactive grub prompt where you could type in the location of the kernel to boot. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 2 20:20:57 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:20:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1086205341.22936.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> <40BE1935.1070206@sages.us> <40BE20E4.3010200@sages.us> <1086202868.15182.104.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40BE28D0.1040107@sages.us> <1086205341.22936.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1086207656.22936.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 14:42, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > Xwin -fullscreen -query 10.1.6.100 > > > > and got the "gray screen" > > This should work from any location that would work with > a thin client. On a second thought, I have seen this problem on XP machines where it has something to do with the built-in firewalling. I forget where you go to disable it, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From john at coronet.co.uk Wed Jun 2 20:55:37 2004 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:55:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: D Day In-Reply-To: <20040602192200.87F9A73516@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040602192200.87F9A73516@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1086209737.30504.2.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Remember, with quiet determination, "No" is just the first step to "Yes". John Ingleby ************ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 2 21:04:31 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:04:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: D Day In-Reply-To: <1086209737.30504.2.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Message-ID: <00da01c448e5$332fd560$1803010a@paasda.org> ya, but 'no' followed by... and the following year we want to add the macromedia suite... and the following year we want to add adobe premier... and the following year... that's pretty much a dagger through the heart with a few nails in the coffin to boot. *disgruntled network admin forced to support another underbudgeted microsoft network* --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Ingleby Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:56 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: D Day Remember, with quiet determination, "No" is just the first step to "Yes". John Ingleby ************ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Jun 2 21:19:38 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:19:38 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone In-Reply-To: <02b101c448bf$01e980d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <02b101c448bf$01e980d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1086210985.1004.11.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Jim, If you do a partition to partition clone Ghost may work. There are some things you need to do first. 1) Make sure your version of Ghost DOES recognise the ext3 filesystem. 2) Create the required partitions on the new server. This should include /boot, but nothing else. 3) Ghost the data from the old machine to the new machine using the PARTITION TO PARTITION method. This should work. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 04:31, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > [SNIP] > > This just shows the drive partition table. You have to have > > done a high level format with 'mke2fs -j' before the > > partition is mountable. If you used a high-level approach > > like ghost it may have done this wrong, and unless it was the > > very latest version may not have understood the ext3 type. > I think you are right here. Ghost doesn't seem to carry over the proper > formatting. I can mount and see things but grub doesn't believe I have > a partition worth installing onto. > > I think I will look at this as a good opportunity to document the > installation procedure to build the server from scratch. Then hope to > figure out cloning and backups at a more convenient date. > > Thanks for all of your help everyone, I just cannot seem to grasp the > concepts here. > > Ghost is easy but hoses formatting, Mondo looks like it could be easy > but doesn't recognize my SCSI controller, RSYNC over NFS didn't give me > a bootable file system, as I understand I would have to create it > manually, install a boot loader, then rsync files. I tried the BackupPC > but that looks like I need to configure a backup server and time is > running short. > > Sure seems like this shouldn't be so difficult, but I always run into > trouble with SCSI Raid in Win platforms as well. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From lee at renarts.org Wed Jun 2 22:31:13 2004 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:31:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <40BDC712.8080903@inlandlakes.org> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B4E@ILFGEXC> <40BDC712.8080903@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <8DDCEB66-B4E4-11D8-86CC-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> On Jun 2, 2004, at 5:24 AM, Shawn Powers wrote: > The real eye opener was that when you took away all the silly > "learning games" the kids were able to use the computers as tools to > learn regular curriculum (isn't that what computers were always > supposed to do for us?). Amen to that. I've argued for a long time for the use of computers as tools for doing work (like adults do in the real world--writing, research, presentations, etc.) instead of playing edutainment games. There's nothing wrong with playing games on computers. But we don't need to spend school time (and money) doing that. When I sold my middle/high school on a K12LTSP setup (which is only in the beginning stages--just got 20 donated Pentium II's for clients, but don't have the server yet) I also sold them on using only two basic programs, OpenOffice and a browser. To be honest, I didn't have to do much selling--I'm lucky to work with two really bright directors who share the same vision I do for our school. L Myrick From ssanders at coin.org Wed Jun 2 23:03:22 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:03:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] banning windows clients from DHCP? In-Reply-To: <200406012312.58163.robark@telus.net> References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20040528153651.02e4c660@michiana.org> <1086068235.18184.46.camel@ltsp.bofh> <200406012312.58163.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <1086217401.5323.9.camel@ltsp.bofh> putting the offenders (by name) into hosts.deny worked fine, such a simple solution (i should have known that one). assuming they don't change their hostnames, it should be great. they aren't techies, they won't figure out why. there remains ONE client that i don't think hosts.deny would work on. it is reasonably modern hardware, with an oddball vidcard (knoppix 3.4 wouldn't even work on it, tried several cheatcodes). i did a few quick searches (forget now what the card was) and saw nothing but linux grief for it. i had sort of forgotten about this one. i wound up setting him up w/VNC into the server, he then logs in with his username like that, it works well. he's still running Windows in the background, and he has discovered that he can 'use his windows stuff' after getting an IP from DHCP. how can i allow this user to VNC, but nothing else (except FTP, he needs that to move docs to his /home dir)? TIA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Jun 2 23:44:05 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:44:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40BE6645.10408@snet.net> daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > > Strangle-hold is right - and it's really such a shame. An entire lab has to > be upgraded to make it suitable for Windows 2000. > *sigh* Wow...that's even worse. Thousands of dollars to use a 4 year old operating system...What a shame. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Jun 2 23:47:15 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:47:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B50@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B50@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40BE6703.901@snet.net> > Perhaps we should compile a list of companies that are using Linux on > the desktop. If we could illustrate and document that companies large > and small are using Linux and switching to Linux on the desktop > perhaps we could dispell that statement? What a great idea! -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From shawn at techcoms.net Thu Jun 3 03:07:30 2004 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:07:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B4D@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <032301c44917$ec04ceb0$0c02a8c0@wslhome> all the clients are configured the same and samba is only reading one smb.conf. Why would this only affect one workstation? I am confused and bewildered I know it has something to do with the workstation its self although I can not find it.. PLUS the adminstrator on the problem workstation does not get this error.. ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 4:37 AM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... I thought that you had to use a special domain group with xp networks? Otherwise you'd get strange errors like that one - as it automatically assigns privledges based on the domain group policy? Have a look here (quick google found it .. it may not be 100% suitable for you :o)) http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/howto/groupmapping.html Daniel -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Henderson [mailto:shawn at techcoms.net] Sent: 02 June 2004 03:59 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... I have a samba 3 server hosting aproximately 5 clients. I am having problems with one. When any user other than administrator logs on the first thing I get on the desktop is ERROR ACCESS DENIED after clicking ok a few times it goes away and everything is normal. The logs are showing me this for the users login in from that workstation. Why does samba think this user is a group coming from this workstation.. Please help! Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: [2004/06/01 12:03:56, 0] rpc_server/srv_util.c:get_domain_user_groups(371) Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: get_domain_user_groups: primary gid of user [rtonks] is not a Domain group ! Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: get_domain_user_groups: You should fix it, NT doesn't like that Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: [2004/06/01 12:03:56, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_release_request(80) Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: process_name_release_request: unicast name release request received for name RTONKS<03> from IP 192.168.2.7 on subnet UNICAST_SUBNET. Error - should be sent to WINS server this server is the wins server I dont get it... ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Jun 3 01:11:18 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:11:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <40BE0C1E.1020201@lucent.com> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> <1086191733.32680.2.camel@localhost> <40BE0C1E.1020201@lucent.com> Message-ID: <40BE7AB6.2030705@snet.net> I started to compile a list of schools, govts. and enterprises here: http://baldwinets.tripod.com/usinglinux.html using sources some of you have posted here and others. Looks like a pretty healthy list! tony Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jun 3 01:22:57 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:22:57 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... Message-ID: <200406030009.i53096w15673@downeast.net> shawn-capture the network traffic and see what it shows at login....and check your id maps lines in smb.conf..if all else fails maybe youvan john terpstras attention on #SAMBA FREEBODE.NET jht is his byword.. to be truthful this beats hell out of me..but ethereal output mght help..chuck ncsd running on your server??? > all the clients are configured the same and samba is only reading one > smb.conf. Why would this only affect one workstation? I am confused and > bewildered I know it has something to do with the workstation its selfr serber > although I can not find it.. PLUS the adminstrator on the problem > workstation does not get this error.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 4:37 AM > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... > > > I thought that you had to use a special domain group with xp networks? > Otherwise you'd get strange errors like that one - as it automatically > assigns privledges based on the domain group policy? > > Have a look here (quick google found it .. it may not be 100% suitable > for you :o)) > http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/howto/groupmapping.html > > Daniel > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Henderson [mailto:shawn at techcoms.net] > Sent: 02 June 2004 03:59 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... > > > I have a samba 3 server hosting aproximately 5 clients. I am having > problems with one. When any user other than administrator logs on the > first thing I get on the desktop is > ERROR > ACCESS DENIED > after clicking ok a few times it goes away and everything is normal. > The logs are showing me this for the users login in from that > workstation. Why does samba think this user is a group coming from this > workstation.. Please help! > > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: [2004/06/01 12:03:56, 0] > rpc_server/srv_util.c:get_domain_user_groups(371) > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: get_domain_user_groups: > primary gid of user [rtonks] is not a Domain group ! > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: get_domain_user_groups: > You should fix it, NT doesn't like that > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: [2004/06/01 12:03:56, 0] > nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_release_request(80) > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: > process_name_release_request: unicast name release request received for > name RTONKS<03> from IP 192.168.2.7 on subnet UNICAST_SUBNET. Error - > should be sent to WINS server > > this server is the wins server I dont get it... > > > > =========================> =========================> ==== > This email and any attached files are confidential and may > be legally privileged. 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If you have received > this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately > by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie > and then delete this email. > Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free > as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, > arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore > does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents > of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage > suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. > If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jun 3 01:30:05 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:30:05 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] D Day Message-ID: <200406030016.i530GFw16517@downeast.net> for the record--in maine gould academy (derek dresser) bethelmaine vassalboro (david trask) hermon.net (jeff wheeler) cave hill school all ltsp on libranet chuck liebow and robert pottle ellsworth school system (chuck liebow) i will find repsonses to several others i have on other computers > I started to compile a list of schools, govts. and enterprises here: > http://baldwinets.tripod.com/usinglinux.html > using sources some of you have posted here and others. > Looks like a pretty healthy list! > > tony > > Anthony Baldwin > http://www.School-Library.net > Freedom to Learn! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Jun 3 01:46:53 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:46:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Do I miss something ? part2 In-Reply-To: <40BCA827.6080509@criticalcontrol.com> References: <40BBA8B8.3050908@criticalcontrol.com> <40BBA9AC.4090600@criticalcontrol.com> <1086050431.6806.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <40BCA827.6080509@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <40BE830D.4000102@magic.fr> Hi Pete, I've got the same problem but I was wondering if the new PXES stuff doesn't help with the older stuff in general? http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ especially here: http://pxes.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html http://pxes.sourceforge.net/images/screenshots/gdm-login-screenshot-320x256.jpg and then there is the config: http://www.gnomepro.com/tsclient/ and here: http://pxes.sourceforge.net/rdc/screenshots.html Although the last one is much older and doesn't look like it's seen much action recently... The old boxes come in sure and steady... In terms of hardware, I could easily set up another lab of 25 just with the stuff I've got growing in a pile in the back but the DREAD of hand configuring them all leaves me cold to the idea of hours of work required to prep and install. best Dennis Pete wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestions and replies. > What I learned : you can use mac addresses in lts.conf (skipping the > fixed leases) > With 50-60 clients and a variety of hardware (not only diff. video > cards) it can get messy :-( > Initial setup is one task the only thing I am concernced about is the > ongoing maintainance > when the (old) client stuff breaks and needs to be replaced (by other > older stuff)... > = edit in the lts.conf > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Jun 3 01:51:03 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:51:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <40BC6711.1080509@cmosnetworks.com> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B2A@ILFGEXC> <40BC6711.1080509@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40BE8407.70509@magic.fr> Can I have permission to reprint your list on my site with credits to you sir? http://dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php?page=K12LTSP+Case+Study regards, Dennis Daniels Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Here you go. > > 1.) No more Sasser, MyDoom, MSBlaster, Nachi, etc. I stopped counting > O/T for MSBlaster/Nachi at 400 hrs. > 2.) One box to maintain software on, instead of 45, thus lower on-going > maintenance costs > 3.) Much, much easier to lock down what the kids can and cannot do. > 4.) By design, more secure (not everyone runs as "Administrator" or > "root" by default). > 5.) Less Windows licenses to have to maintain in case of a BSA audit. > Show him this URL: > http://bigwidelogic.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=190 > > 6.) Less up-front cost to deploy, both in hardware and software. > 7.) His classroom instruction will actually be standards-based, not > vendor-specific. > 8.) His kids will be more well-rounded and prepared to sit down in > front of *any* computer they encounter, thus his instructional time is > more useful long-term and more applicable (think "Drivers Ed" here). > 9.) Riverdale School District, and many others (e. g. Yorktown HS here > in Arlington, VA), are doing it with great success. > > > Hopefully that fills your five minutes. > > --TP > > daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > >> Hey again all, >> >> Firstly, apologies for the outrageously long signature that I have no >> control of as it's appended by the mail server on all outgoing mail :o) >> Now onto the real talk. >> >> Tomorrow, at 8:30, I will be talking to the computer teacher that I >> will be >> doing up the school network for. I, naturally, want K12 in there, a >> kick ass >> server will of course be easier to maintain than 45 clients, a server, >> plus >> a few extra possible clients throughout the school. Not to mention a >> firewall/proxy/AV crap. >> >> He's about 95% towards Windows at the moment, but I think he'll give me a >> chance to sway him over to Linux. Depending on how persuasive I am >> regarding >> this chageover, he may decide that Linux is for the best. >> >> Help me :o) >> I'll have about 10 minutes, probably less, actually, make it 5 mins >> :o), to >> convince him. Start typing lads and lassies :o) >> >> Daniel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Jun 3 01:54:38 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:54:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <1086191733.32680.2.camel@localhost> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> <1086191733.32680.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40BE84DE.3060708@magic.fr> What part do you think should be wiki'ed? I personally don't mind trying to sift through, this... dgd Calvin Park wrote: >>Perhaps we should compile a list of companies that are using Linux on >>the desktop. If we could illustrate and document that companies large >>and small are using Linux and switching to Linux on the desktop >>perhaps we could dispell that statement? >> >>Off the top of my head: >> >>* IBM - switching to 100% Linux on desktop in 2005? (anyone have an >>article to support?) >>* Haliburton - 13,000 desktops switching in 2005 >>(http://www.cio.com/archive/031503/opensource.html) >>* Ford - I swear I heard Ford was considering the switch on Slashdot. >>* Largo, FL >>* ? > > Well, not sure what this might be worth, but our college is switching to > an all Linux Computer Center for Fall of 2004. Moreover, almost all of > the systems that students have access to (Finicial Aid, Library, etc) > have already been switched to Linux. Again, not sure if this would sway > anyone over, but it is an example of how HS students will run into Linux > as early as college. > > Is anyone actually writing this down? A wiki perhaps? > From robark at telus.net Thu Jun 3 04:41:31 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:41:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] KStars: blank SEDS images Message-ID: <200406022141.31452.robark@telus.net> Right clicking on a heavenly body in KStars will usually bring up the "Show SEDS image" option. The image downloads but it will not display with KStars. The image window is blank. I can save the image okay, though. This problem only exists on my clients. They are all nvidia riva 128's. However, on the server which has an on board ATI rage pro chip the images appear properly (regardless if I log in as root or a user). However, on the clients, even as root I do not get an image (just black space in the image window) So it's not a permission problem. I figure it must be a problem with XF86Config for the clients and server being different. I have enabled 24 bit color (as the riva 128 can't do 16 with xfree86 4.3) and set XSERVER = auto in lts.conf. I even tried XSERVER = nv, no luck. The damn images are just gif's and jpg's. Any video card should be able to display them. I looked at top (interactive A option) and I found the program was ----------kdeinit------------ that was trying to display the images. I don't know anything about kdeinit but it must somehow call an image viewing mechanism. Somehow the client xserver is not able to display the downloaded image with kdeinit. Can someone try to view these celestial SEDS images on their clients and confirm this behavior??? KStars is an awsome program worth the effort. BTW I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Jun 3 06:57:02 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:57:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] list thread to wiki Message-ID: <40BECBBE.40906@magic.fr> Hello, This list produces so much information that could be very useful for other users of K12LTSP and admins in general. I went to https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-June/thread.html and tried to get one thread in one long page, but with no luck. The goal is to get the thread and then lift out the good bits and then wikify it. I downloaded the archive but it was just a long list of all the messages but with no threading per se. Can you recommend a tool or process with which I can view an entire thread in one long text file? thank you Dennis BTW the search on https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-June/thread.html for CigWin (one of the most recent threads) turned up nothing :\ From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Jun 3 10:14:41 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:14:41 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... In-Reply-To: <032301c44917$ec04ceb0$0c02a8c0@wslhome> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B4D@ILFGEXC> <032301c44917$ec04ceb0$0c02a8c0@wslhome> Message-ID: <1086255094.1004.79.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Shawn, How much free drive space does this machine have? This sounds like a nearly full hard drive, and the OS is trying to download a profile that is too large to fit on the hard drive and still allow swap to work. That's one of the pitfalls with roaming profiles. Storing a lot of junk on the desktop makes the profile bloat out rapidly. Imagine a desktop with 500+MB of pictures stored in a folder, then shuffle that across a network! If possible I would suggest enforcing a mandatory policy that uses a single profile. Other things to check. Was this machine GHOSTed from another machine? Duplicate IP address, especially with another machine elsewhere on the network. This usually causes other flakiness though. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 15:07, Shawn Henderson wrote: > all the clients are configured the same and samba is only reading one > smb.conf. Why would this only affect one workstation? I am confused > and bewildered I know it has something to do with the workstation its > self although I can not find it.. PLUS the adminstrator on the problem > workstation does not get this error.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 4:37 AM > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... > > I thought that you had to use a special domain group with xp > networks? Otherwise you'd get strange errors like that one - > as it automatically assigns privledges based on the domain > group policy? > > Have a look here (quick google found it .. it may not be 100% > suitable for you :o)) > http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/howto/groupmapping.html > > Daniel > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Henderson [mailto:shawn at techcoms.net] > Sent: 02 June 2004 03:59 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... > > > I have a samba 3 server hosting aproximately 5 > clients. I am having problems with one. When any user > other than administrator logs on the first thing I get > on the desktop is > ERROR > ACCESS DENIED > after clicking ok a few times it goes away and > everything is normal. The logs are showing me this for > the users login in from that workstation. Why does > samba think this user is a group coming from this > workstation.. Please help! > > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: [2004/06/01 > 12:03:56, 0] > rpc_server/srv_util.c:get_domain_user_groups(371) > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: > get_domain_user_groups: primary gid of user [rtonks] > is not a Domain group ! > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: > get_domain_user_groups: You should fix it, NT doesn't > like that > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: [2004/06/01 > 12:03:56, 0] > nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_release_request(80) > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: > process_name_release_request: unicast name release > request received for name RTONKS<03> from IP > 192.168.2.7 on subnet UNICAST_SUBNET. Error - should > be sent to WINS server > this server is the wins server I dont get it... > > > ====================================================== > This email and any attached files are confidential and may > be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the > addressee. > Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. > If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, > copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this > communication is strictly prohibited. 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Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Jun 3 10:14:39 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:14:39 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] banning windows clients from DHCP? In-Reply-To: <1086217401.5323.9.camel@ltsp.bofh> References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20040528153651.02e4c660@michiana.org> <1086068235.18184.46.camel@ltsp.bofh> <200406012312.58163.robark@telus.net> <1086217401.5323.9.camel@ltsp.bofh> Message-ID: <1086254184.1004.64.camel@rolston.localdomain> This sounds like a good candidate for group membership. I've just installed VNC onto my machine to see if a VNC group is created. Unfortunately this is not the case. So you need to create a group named vnc. CHOWN of vnc folder and the apps from root:root to root:vnc Then you can add the particular user to the vnc group. FTP already has a group so add the user to this group as well. Check the user to see what his primary group is. It should be the same as his user name. If not then you will have to change the primary group for that user. Cheers. > how can i allow this user to VNC, but nothing else (except FTP, he needs > that to move docs to his /home dir)? > > TIA > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From shawn at techcoms.net Thu Jun 3 14:49:00 2004 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:49:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B4D@ILFGEXC><032301c44917$ec04ceb0$0c02a8c0@wslhome> <1086255094.1004.79.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <042201c44979$eba69590$0c02a8c0@wslhome> Actually these are brand new pc's right out of the box. 40 gb hdd nothing installed except for standard stuff. MSOffice. Norton AV ..etc. I am guessing it has something to do with the priveleges on the local computer. hmm... I wonder what startup has in it..... Ill let you know what I see in startup when I take a look today... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Rolston" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... > Hi Shawn, > > How much free drive space does this machine have? > > This sounds like a nearly full hard drive, and the OS is trying to > download a profile that is too large to fit on the hard drive and still > allow swap to work. > > That's one of the pitfalls with roaming profiles. > Storing a lot of junk on the desktop makes the profile bloat out > rapidly. > Imagine a desktop with 500+MB of pictures stored in a folder, then > shuffle that across a network! > > If possible I would suggest enforcing a mandatory policy that uses a > single profile. > > Other things to check. > Was this machine GHOSTed from another machine? > Duplicate IP address, especially with another machine elsewhere on the > network. This usually causes other flakiness though. > > Cheers, > Bert > > > > On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 15:07, Shawn Henderson wrote: > > all the clients are configured the same and samba is only reading one > > smb.conf. Why would this only affect one workstation? I am confused > > and bewildered I know it has something to do with the workstation its > > self although I can not find it.. PLUS the adminstrator on the problem > > workstation does not get this error.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 4:37 AM > > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... > > > > I thought that you had to use a special domain group with xp > > networks? Otherwise you'd get strange errors like that one - > > as it automatically assigns privledges based on the domain > > group policy? > > > > Have a look here (quick google found it .. it may not be 100% > > suitable for you :o)) > > http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/howto/groupmapping.html > > > > Daniel > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Shawn Henderson [mailto:shawn at techcoms.net] > > Sent: 02 June 2004 03:59 > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] Samba xp desktop errors... > > > > > > I have a samba 3 server hosting aproximately 5 > > clients. I am having problems with one. When any user > > other than administrator logs on the first thing I get > > on the desktop is > > ERROR > > ACCESS DENIED > > after clicking ok a few times it goes away and > > everything is normal. The logs are showing me this for > > the users login in from that workstation. Why does > > samba think this user is a group coming from this > > workstation.. Please help! > > > > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: [2004/06/01 > > 12:03:56, 0] > > rpc_server/srv_util.c:get_domain_user_groups(371) > > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: > > get_domain_user_groups: primary gid of user [rtonks] > > is not a Domain group ! > > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver smbd[12017]: > > get_domain_user_groups: You should fix it, NT doesn't > > like that > > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: [2004/06/01 > > 12:03:56, 0] > > nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_release_request(80) > > Jun 1 12:03:56 methserver nmbd[3426]: > > process_name_release_request: unicast name release > > request received for name RTONKS<03> from IP > > 192.168.2.7 on subnet UNICAST_SUBNET. Error - should > > be sent to WINS server > > this server is the wins server I dont get it... > > > > > > ====================================================== > > This email and any attached files are confidential and may > > be legally privileged. 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Oh well, as I tell my students, "if your heart was in it, take pride in your work" cheers alan -=o=- >Hi gang >Feel free to forward the enclosed article to your local newspaper or >wire feed - if you have any suggestions, please send them off list >to ahodson at elp.rr.com >=============================================================================== >Open Source Software and Linux - avoiding a lawsuit >by Alan A Hodson > >In the not too distant future, when taxpayer groups decide to hold >their school districts and Board of Trustees accountable for the >senseless spending of hundreds of thousands of dollars in computer >technology purchases, especially software, there will be court >sessions where the Prosecutor will be grilling the district's Legal >Counsel with questions similar to these: > >P: Was the district aware of the existence of Open Source >applications that involve no cost and no licensing fees to install >in Mac and PC laptops? >LC: Yes, I am aware of at least one department that after purchasing >laptops found that they had no money left for software, so they used >StarOffice, an Open Source application that is equivalent to >Microsoft's Office... >P: Are you saying that the district knows that there are software >products that require no licensing, can be given to teachers and >students to use, and still insist on paying hundreds of dollars per >computer to provide basic functionality to desktops and laptops? >LC: I am told that "the real world" uses Microsoft, so the district >buys the product the child is likely to see in the workplace when >they graduate. >P: Please indulge me - what kind of car did you, madam, learn to drive on? >LC: It was a 64 Ford truck with standard transmission... >P: Did you learn to drive 64 Fords only, or were the skills learned >transferable to any car, anywhere, at anytime? >LC: You saw me parallel park this morning, what do you think? >P: I frankly was impressed... very precise maneuvering. The point >is, regardless of how you learn a skill, if you learn it well, you >will be able to use it appropriately in the future, don't you agree? >LC: It seems reasonable to accept that statement. >P: So, if the skill of learning word processing, spreadsheet use and >presentation software use is learned correctly, say using software >that loads and saves in the "real world" formats, as Open Source >software allows, then there is no need to spend all that money for >proprietary products, is there? >LC: Looking at the results, you may have an argument. But I >understand districts want uniformity and a vendor they can call when >anything with the software goes wrong - Does Open Source provide >that? >P: Because applications such as StarOffice or OpenOffice are Open >Source, and programmers can look at the code that runs these >applications, the international community is very quick in finding >solutions to potential flaws and problems. They have an intellectual >interest in making sure that the Open Source application stays >problem free, so instead of an 800 number offering classical music >you have the Internet with Special Interest Groups that are >monitored 24 hours a day, again for free. That being said, have you >directed the district to adopt a policy of Open Records that applies >to the software they use? >LC: I am not sure I follow... >P: Open Records can be interpreted not only as the transparency of >the dealings of the district, but also as the use of proprietary >formats that may change over time at the software maker's whim. Open >Source software, on the other hand, uses standards and coding >available to any programmer, so records become independent of the >application that created them. In a sense, you exclude proprietary >vendors from the record gathering or storage process. The question >stands. >LC: Nobody has ever challenged the electronic access format of any >of the district's records, but I suppose eventually someone will. >How would recommending Open Source adoption change anything? The >district would still have a file called FILENAME.DOC created via MS >Word or Open Office. >P: The difference is that the district would not be spending tax >money from Joe Taxpayer's payments - he's worked hard enough to earn >them, and there should be a policy in place at the district level to >make sure money is not being thrown away. >LC: You could make the same case for any government agency... We all >use proprietary software. >P: There will be other lawsuits and motions to address that >irregularity. I want to make sure Legal Council admits for the >purpose of this trial that there has been no distinct effort on the >part of the district to reduce the so called Digital Divide, by >incorporating Open Source software installation and distribution as >a priority in all computer desktops and laptops, and that in fact no >serious studies have been made to use Linux as a desktop Operating >System, replacing Window's propensity for infections by viruses and >hackers. >LC: Linux as an operating system? What does that have to do with Open Source? >P: All Linux code is Open Source, all the applications we've been >discussing are Open Source applications that run on Linux also. >Under certain circumstances, you can have Mac and PC computers also >running Linux, making it the one operating system that runs on all >platforms. This is the one standard that the district could have, if >they decided to protect the investment made in hardware. >LC: Protecting the investment? Are you talking about old equipment also? >P: Proper research and a willingness to change from the traditional >solutions would point out that Linux is ideal for old equipment, and >that for machines whose hard drive or CD player no longer functions, >the district could turn them into diskless clients following the >K12LTSP.org model, labs with one powerful server and PC diskless >workstations of every make and model. >LC: You mentioned MS Office products - what other Open Source >products would there be as an incentive for the district to start >considering the "official" adoption of Open Source as a district >standard? >P: Linux comes with hundreds of free applications, and can be >installed on any PC as a dual boot system, to at least offer >students that choice. For Macs and PCs, there are major applications >such as GIMP, a Photoshop equivalent, Mozilla a powerful browser and >HTML composer, LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP), TuxMath and >TuxPaint, and many more. Almost every major application in the >market has its Open Source equivalent. >LC: I would like to ask for a recess to meet with my client and >propose a settlement. What major arguments would the Prosecutor >suggest I put forth? >P: Open Source software has several distinct advantages over >proprietary software. The widespread peer review process involved in >open source development creates software which is more error-free >and resource-efficient than proprietary software. In addition, Open >Source is a must for security-critical applications- true security >is never achieved by attempting to conceal any security defects that >a program may have, but rather by allowing anyone interested to seek >out these flaws and eliminate them. Open Source allows for that. In >terms of who will survive, if resilience is an issue, the >open-source culture will triumph not because cooperation is morally >right or software "hoarding" is morally wrong, ...but simply because >the closed-source world cannot win an evolutionary arms race with >open-source communities that can put orders of magnitude more >skilled time into a problem. >And so, Legal Counsel goes off to try and convince the district, >that being accountable to the taxpayer's rights, and saving money by >embracing Open Source alternatives are issues that must be addressed >sooner, rather than later. >=============================================================================== > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jun 3 13:03:56 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:03:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Stuck boot Message-ID: <40BF21BC.7020900@msln.net> I had a power outage last night and this morning the terminals will not connect. I rebooted the server, checked dhcpd and the conf file checked for lts.conf all is there as yesterday. I tailed the message file and this is all I get: Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:02:41:00:44:28 via eth0 Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to 00:02:41:00:44:28 via eth0 Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: Dynamic and static leases present for 192.168.0.253. Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: Remove host declaration ws253 or remove 192.168.0.253 Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: from the dynamic address pool for WORKSTATIONS Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.253 (192.168.0.254) from 00:02:41:00:44:28 via eth0 Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.253 to 00:02:41:00:44:28 via eth0 And then the terminals just sit there printing dots waiting on the 192.168.0.254. Is there a service that died? Thanks in advance. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From jritchie at bible.edu Thu Jun 3 13:28:03 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:28:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Stuck boot In-Reply-To: <40BF21BC.7020900@msln.net> References: <40BF21BC.7020900@msln.net> Message-ID: <1086269283.24548.386.camel@penguin> Have you checked your switch yet? Might be a good idea to reboot/power cycle it as well. Is 253 working? In the future a quick power outage can be covered nicely with a UPS and solve a lot of headaches. I was looking around CompUSA and they had several home grade ones on sale yesterday in this area. Somebody else might be able to help you out a lot more in the area of services. I'm not up to snuff in my RedHat services controls. JSR/ On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 09:03, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I had a power outage last night and this morning the terminals will not > connect. I rebooted the server, checked dhcpd and the conf file checked > for lts.conf all is there as yesterday. I tailed the message file and > this is all I get: > > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:02:41:00:44:28 via eth0 > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to > 00:02:41:00:44:28 via eth0 > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: Dynamic and static leases present for > 192.168.0.253. > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: Remove host declaration ws253 or remove > 192.168.0.253 > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: from the dynamic address pool for WORKSTATIONS > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.253 > (192.168.0.254) from 00:02:41:00:44:28 via eth0 > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.253 to > 00:02:41:00:44:28 via eth0 > > And then the terminals just sit there printing dots waiting on the > 192.168.0.254. Is there a service that died? > Thanks in advance. > Mark From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jun 3 13:55:56 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:55:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Stuck boot In-Reply-To: <1086269283.24548.386.camel@penguin> References: <40BF21BC.7020900@msln.net> <1086269283.24548.386.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <40BF2DEC.3040404@msln.net> Josiah Ritchie wrote: >Have you checked your switch yet? > >Might be a good idea to reboot/power >cycle it as well. > Rebooted it, no change. >Is 253 working? > All 3 machines won't connect >In the future a quick power outage can >be covered nicely with a UPS and solve a lot of headaches. > My test bed machine, no spares for it, lack of money |:o( I compared a top command of this machine with another working testbed and the only difference is the lockd service is running on the machine that does not work. I did a man lockd and is says that it is nothing to worry about. So I tried to kill the PID and it wouldn't stop. Don't know if that was a good idea or not, but it's not working as is! Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jun 3 14:33:00 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:33:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] list thread to wiki In-Reply-To: <40BECBBE.40906@magic.fr> Message-ID: <00f701c44977$abdade00$1803010a@paasda.org> it's Cygwin [snip] BTW the search on https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-June/thread.html for CigWin (one of the most recent threads) turned up nothing :\ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see [/snip] From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jun 3 14:38:13 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:38:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Stuck boot In-Reply-To: <40BF2DEC.3040404@msln.net> Message-ID: <00f801c44978$66771580$1803010a@paasda.org> this seems to be a 'feature' =) each of my test-bed-servers when participating in a sudden loss of power or power surge have consistantly failed to allow clients to connect afterwards... usually though I end up with the Grey Screen and black X cursor... I refer to the ltsp documentation 6.6.1 I believe someone pointed out to me on a previous thread last month...and modify 2 or 3 config files having to do with gdm or something... then reboot the server normally(likely a non-required step), and then clients connect... So I'd stress to those who don't have their servers on UPS's...to try and get them onto one =) saves some time in the long run. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gumprecht Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:56 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Stuck boot Josiah Ritchie wrote: >Have you checked your switch yet? > >Might be a good idea to reboot/power >cycle it as well. > Rebooted it, no change. >Is 253 working? > All 3 machines won't connect >In the future a quick power outage can >be covered nicely with a UPS and solve a lot of headaches. > My test bed machine, no spares for it, lack of money |:o( I compared a top command of this machine with another working testbed and the only difference is the lockd service is running on the machine that does not work. I did a man lockd and is says that it is nothing to worry about. So I tried to kill the PID and it wouldn't stop. Don't know if that was a good idea or not, but it's not working as is! Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Jun 3 15:13:29 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:13:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 vs WB3 or RHE3 and old proxy by-pass prob Message-ID: I've finally had a chance to move my twin mp box to Fedora 2. The system seems equally perky with the 2.6.5 kernel as the former Debian with a similar 2.6 kernel. How many are now using the RHE3 or WB3 for K12LTSP? Does anyone know how this new kernel will perform on a K12LTSP server? I routinely use my server at home to test things out before going to school... Also, when the kernel image loads on the clients, is there any reason to think about moving along a new kernel based on the 2.6 line to the clients? As the school year is coming to a close I'm looking to make some changes... Get rid of StarOffice7 for the default OO. Install Firefox instead of Mozilla, and install VariCad- that I just purchased an unlimited site licence for with free future updates! The questions that I had about the IPCop/Mozilla proxy being bypassed have been solved by only allowing proxy traffic through a defined port in iptables. If anyone wants to know how I did this, please drop me a line. Oh, heck...scp /home2/ipcop-252/rc.local.proxy-252 jim at home: jim at home's password: rc.local.proxy-252 100% 3456 35.8MB/s 00:00 GREEN=eth0 # ports: # 20,21 ftp # 22 ssh # 25 smtp # 53 dns # 80,443 web # 123 ntpd # 445 https: ipcop # 11371 GNU GPG # 445 IPCop external https connection ALLOW_TCP_OUT="20 21 22 25 53 80 85 113 123 443 445 8800 11371" ALLOW_UDP_OUT="20 21 22 25 53 80 85 123 443 445 8800" for i in $ALLOW_TCP_OUT ; do /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMFORWARD -i $GREEN -p tcp --dport $i -j ACCEPT done for i in $ALLOW_UDP_OUT ; do /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMFORWARD -i $GREEN -p udp --dport $i -j ACCEPT done ######## Second: These need to be open to allow outgoing # data for specific incoming protocols ALLOW_TCP_SOURCE="22 110 143" ALLOW_UDP_SOURCE="22 110 143" for i in $ALLOW_TCP_SOURCE ; do /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMFORWARD -i $GREEN -p tcp --sport $i -j ACCEPT done for i in $ALLOW_UDP_SOURCE ; do /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMFORWARD -i $GREEN -p udp --sport $i -j ACCEPT done Thanks to Richard Thomas for the above. This goes in rc.local. Jim _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 3 15:50:06 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> Message-ID: <20040603155006.20163.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Hello: I tried to setup cygwin myself for a xterm but I never got it to work. So I looked arround and found Winxterm. It is an already pre packaged minimalist cygwin for xwindows. The project no longer exist but here is the files I used to set it up. http://www.chris-thomas.org/winxterm/ Download and install the two files and configure the bat file with your info. Chris --- Jim Hays wrote: > OK. So I have my K12LTSP lab in place and it is > working well. I would > like to have our teachers (at their Windows > workstations on the > "outside" of the lab) access the K12LTSP box using > CygWin. > > What do I have to do at the server to make this > happen? > > What do I have to do at the Windows box to make this > happen? > > I would like to use this to "introduce" teachers to > Linux and K12LTSP in > a "non-threatening" way. (So I don't get > threatened......) > > Ideas? > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jun 3 17:05:19 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:05:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Stuck boot In-Reply-To: <00f801c44978$66771580$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <00f801c44978$66771580$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40BF5A4F.60105@msln.net> Found the problem and not sure why. The firewall was set to medium and was denying clients. I thought I had been cracked, the logs don't indicate that. Is there a definite way to tell if someone tampered with that or has this happened to anyone else? I changed all passwords to be on the safe side. Mark Huck wrote: >this seems to be a 'feature' =) >each of my test-bed-servers when participating in a sudden loss of power >or power surge >have consistantly failed to allow clients to connect afterwards... > >usually though I end up with the Grey Screen and black X cursor... >I refer to the ltsp documentation 6.6.1 I believe someone pointed out to >me on a previous >thread last month...and modify 2 or 3 config files having to do with gdm >or something... >then reboot the server normally(likely a non-required step), and then >clients connect... > >So I'd stress to those who don't have their servers on UPS's...to try >and get them onto one =) >saves some time in the long run. > >--Huck > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Mark Gumprecht >Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:56 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Stuck boot > > > > >Josiah Ritchie wrote: > > > >>Have you checked your switch yet? >> >>Might be a good idea to reboot/power >>cycle it as well. >> >> >> >Rebooted it, no change. > > > >>Is 253 working? >> >> >> >All 3 machines won't connect > > > >>In the future a quick power outage can >>be covered nicely with a UPS and solve a lot of headaches. >> >> >> >My test bed machine, no spares for it, lack of money |:o( > I compared a top command of this machine with another working testbed >and the only difference is the lockd service is running on the machine >that does not work. I did a man lockd and is says that it is nothing to >worry about. So I tried to kill the PID and it wouldn't stop. Don't know > >if that was a good idea or not, but it's not working as is! Mark > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Jun 3 17:09:44 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:09:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Stuck boot In-Reply-To: <40BF21BC.7020900@msln.net> References: <40BF21BC.7020900@msln.net> Message-ID: <40BF5B58.8030107@gwi.net> Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I had a power outage last night and this morning the terminals will > not connect. I rebooted the server, checked dhcpd and the conf file > checked for lts.conf all is there as yesterday. I tailed the message > file and this is all I get: > > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:02:41:00:44:28 via > eth0 > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to > 00:02:41:00:44:28 via eth0 > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: Dynamic and static leases present for > 192.168.0.253. > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: Remove host declaration ws253 or remove > 192.168.0.253 > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: from the dynamic address pool for > WORKSTATIONS > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.253 > (192.168.0.254) from 00:02:41:00:44:28 via eth0 > Jun 3 09:06:06 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.253 to > 00:02:41:00:44:28 via eth0 > > And then the terminals just sit there printing dots waiting on the > 192.168.0.254. Is there a service that died? > Thanks in advance. > Mark > These messages indicate there is a problem with a change made to your /etc/dhcpd.conf. The problem may have been introduced a while ago, and just not used by dhcpd.conf until you rebooted. It sounds like there is a host stanza in there for ws253 to assign fixed address 192.168.0.253 to it. The problem is that your range of addresses still includes 192.168.0.253 and that is in conflict with the host declaration. Try changing the "range" entry just under the "subnet" entry in /etc/dhcpd.conf, decreasing the ending address to something below 192.168.0.253 -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From jritchie at bible.edu Thu Jun 3 17:30:59 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:30:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Stuck boot In-Reply-To: <40BF5A4F.60105@msln.net> References: <00f801c44978$66771580$1803010a@paasda.org> <40BF5A4F.60105@msln.net> Message-ID: <1086283859.24546.444.camel@penguin> On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 13:05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Found the problem and not sure why. > The firewall was set to medium and was denying clients. I thought I had > been cracked, the logs don't indicate that. Is there a definite way to > tell if someone tampered with that or has this happened to anyone else? > I changed all passwords to be on the safe side. Congratulations! My first problem with a firewall getting in the way took me 2 days to work out. I hadn't even realized it was installed at the time. :-) JSR/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jun 3 17:32:10 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:32:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Stuck boot In-Reply-To: <40BF5B58.8030107@gwi.net> References: <40BF21BC.7020900@msln.net> <40BF5B58.8030107@gwi.net> Message-ID: <40BF609A.2040501@msln.net> Thanks, I didn't catch the meaning of that. Makes sense Now. Mark Christopher K. Johnson wrote: >> > These messages indicate there is a problem with a change made to your > /etc/dhcpd.conf. The problem may have been introduced a while ago, > and just not used by dhcpd.conf until you rebooted. > It sounds like there is a host stanza in there for ws253 to assign > fixed address 192.168.0.253 to it. The problem is that your range of > addresses still includes 192.168.0.253 and that is in conflict with > the host declaration. Try changing the "range" entry just under the > "subnet" entry in /etc/dhcpd.conf, decreasing the ending address to > something below 192.168.0.253 > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 3 17:58:38 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:58:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20040603155006.20163.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040603155006.20163.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1086285517.5991.44.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 10:50, Chris Thomas wrote: > I tried to setup cygwin myself for a xterm but I never > got it to work. I don't think I've ever had any trouble with a Cygwin install. Usually I do a base install straight from http://www.cygwin.com without selecting anything extra, (I generally select http://mirrors.rcn.net as the source) then repeat, selecting openssh from the 'net' section and Xfree86 at the top level. > So I looked arround and found > Winxterm. It is an already pre packaged minimalist > cygwin for xwindows. The project no longer exist but > here is the files I used to set it up. > > http://www.chris-thomas.org/winxterm/ > > Download and install the two files and configure the > bat file with your info. If all you want is a character-mode terminal, use 'putty' from http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ You can also use it to port-forward X over it's ssh connection. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Thu Jun 3 20:55:21 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] loading modules in lts.conf In-Reply-To: <00ad01c44809$ca1fbe40$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Huck wrote: > if I need a specific video or sound module loaded for example > > via82cxxx_audio.o > > is the only thing I need to do is put the following line in the lts.conf > file ? > > SMODULE_01 = via82cxxx_audio.o Leave off the '.o'. Actually, there are 2 ways to do it. 1) Just the module name, with no suffix. For example: SMODULE_01 = via82cxxx_audio That will use modprobe to load it, which will also load any other modules that are dependencies. 2) Use the full pathname of the module, including the suffix. Example: SMODULE_01 = /lib/modules/2.4.24-ltsp-4/kernel/drivers/sound/via82cxx_audio.o That will use insmod, instead of modprobe, and you will need to load the dependencies yourself with additional SMODULE_xx entries. Actually, the dependencies will need to come BEFORE the module you want to load. Hope that helps, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > or is there more to it? i.e. the full path of the file ? > > --Huck > > From dloomis at cox-internet.com Thu Jun 3 22:44:53 2004 From: dloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:44:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Printer on ThinkNIC In-Reply-To: <20040602004053.2D14C73CC2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040602004053.2D14C73CC2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1086302693.4150.14.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> I am having trouble setting up an Epson inkjet printer on a ThinkNIC client. I am running K12LTSP 3.1. The workstation config in lts.conf is as follows: ws006] XSERVER = Xvesa LOCAL_APPS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m RUNLEVEL = 5 SMODULE_01 = cmpci MODULE_01 = usb-ohci MODULE_02 = printer PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = S I used the printer setup gui to create the que as a jetprint port using port 9100. The printer is an Epson Stylus C40UX usb printer. When I try to do a CUPS test print all I get is error message that the client is busy, retrying in 5 seconds; however, it doesn't. Any Suggestions? Dan Loomis From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Thu Jun 3 22:42:06 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: 03 Jun 2004 18:42:06 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <40BE7AB6.2030705@snet.net> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> <1086191733.32680.2.camel@localhost> <40BE0C1E.1020201@lucent.com> <40BE7AB6.2030705@snet.net> Message-ID: <1086302526.10492.1.camel@L143nb01> You can add The University of Detroit Jesuit High School, Detroit, Michigan John On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 21:11, anthony baldwin wrote: > I started to compile a list of schools, govts. and enterprises here: > http://baldwinets.tripod.com/usinglinux.html > using sources some of you have posted here and others. > Looks like a pretty healthy list! > > tony > > Anthony Baldwin > http://www.School-Library.net > Freedom to Learn! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Thanks, John Hansknecht One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Jun 4 01:22:56 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 06:52:56 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Printer on ThinkNIC In-Reply-To: <1086302693.4150.14.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <20040602004053.2D14C73CC2@hormel.redhat.com> <1086302693.4150.14.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <1086312176.3910.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 04:14, Daniel Loomis wrote: > I am having trouble setting up an Epson inkjet printer on a ThinkNIC > client. I am running K12LTSP 3.1. The workstation config in lts.conf > is as follows: > > ws006] > XSERVER = Xvesa > LOCAL_APPS = N > USE_NFS_SWAP = N > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m > RUNLEVEL = 5 > SMODULE_01 = cmpci > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > MODULE_02 = printer > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = S > > I used the printer setup gui to create the que as a jetprint port using > port 9100. The printer is an Epson Stylus C40UX usb printer. > > When I try to do a CUPS test print all I get is error message that the > client is busy, retrying in 5 seconds; however, it doesn't. Is the workstation IP and name "ws006" set in dhcpd.conf? Try working this workstation with MAC address in lts.conf section instead of ws006. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From k12osn at collinsoft.com Fri Jun 4 02:25:31 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 vs WB3 or RHE3 and old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Jim Christiansen wrote: > The questions that I had about the IPCop/Mozilla proxy being bypassed have > been solved by only allowing proxy traffic through a defined port in > iptables. If anyone wants to know how I did this, please drop me a line. > Oh, heck...scp /home2/ipcop-252/rc.local.proxy-252 jim at home: > # ports: > # 20,21 ftp > # 22 ssh > # 25 smtp > # 53 dns > # 80,443 web > # 123 ntpd > # 445 https: ipcop > # 11371 GNU GPG > # 445 IPCop external https connection > > ALLOW_TCP_OUT="20 21 22 25 53 80 85 113 123 443 445 8800 11371" > ALLOW_UDP_OUT="20 21 22 25 53 80 85 123 443 445 8800" > > for i in $ALLOW_TCP_OUT ; do > /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMFORWARD -i $GREEN -p tcp --dport $i -j ACCEPT > done Can't they still setup an external proxy on one of these ports and still bypass it? If I was a student I would setup apache in proxy mode on my Road Runner connection (requiring a username/password) and set it to accept connections on various ports that have a good chance of being open, such as 20,21,22,23,25,443. A good site to see what students can do is http://peacefire.org/. It appears they have a program called circumventor which lets the students get around you're filtering even without changing the proxy server. It also uses SSL to encrypt the transmission so you can't even see what's going through. I don't know how to stop this one. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From dloomis at cox-internet.com Fri Jun 4 03:35:30 2004 From: dloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:35:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Printer on ThinkNIC Message-ID: <1086320130.4150.36.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Sudev, >Is the workstation IP and name "ws006" set in dhcpd.conf? Try working >this workstation with MAC address in lts.conf section instead of ws006. -- >Sudev Barar >Learning Linux Yes, the dhcpd.conf is assigning the correct ip to ws006 as follows: -----snip----- host ws005 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:F4:41:E9; fixed-address 192.168.0.5; } host ws006 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:F4:64:7E; fixed-address 192.168.0.6; <<== WS with usb printer } host ws007 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:EA:23:ED; fixed-address 192.168.0.7; -----snip------- Checking /var/log/messages it shows the terminal is getting the correct hostname and ip address from dhcp. I had previously used the exact same setup on another ThinkNIC with an hp656 attached to its usb port and it worked fine for a $50 printer (it just printed very slow). I did use 192.168.0.6:9100 in 'redhat-config-printer' for creating the print queue. I am not running any other DirectJet print servers on the system so port 9100 should be ok. I will try using the MAC address instead of the station hostname in lts.conf Thanks. Dan Loomis From I.Derks at translucent.nl Fri Jun 4 06:14:25 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 08:14:25 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 vs WB3 or RHE3 and old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086329665.3753.47.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> Op do 03-06-2004, om 17:13 schreef Jim Christiansen: > I've finally had a chance to move my twin mp box to Fedora 2. The system > seems equally perky with the 2.6.5 kernel as the former Debian with a > similar 2.6 kernel. > > How many are now using the RHE3 or WB3 for K12LTSP? > > Does anyone know how this new kernel will perform on a K12LTSP server? I > routinely use my server at home to test things out before going to school... > We run it in a few small offices (9-15 clients) and the performance has been excellent. (IBM225=1Xeon_3.01-2500MB-scsi_RAID5);RHES-3update2 + (k12)LTSP-4.0 Immanuel From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jun 4 11:32:34 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:32:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 vs WB3 or RHE3 and old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C05DD2.4@cmosnetworks.com> k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: >On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > >>The questions that I had about the IPCop/Mozilla proxy being bypassed have >>been solved by only allowing proxy traffic through a defined port in >>iptables. If anyone wants to know how I did this, please drop me a line. >>Oh, heck...scp /home2/ipcop-252/rc.local.proxy-252 jim at home: >># ports: >># 20,21 ftp >># 22 ssh >># 25 smtp >># 53 dns >># 80,443 web >># 123 ntpd >># 445 https: ipcop >># 11371 GNU GPG >># 445 IPCop external https connection >> >>ALLOW_TCP_OUT="20 21 22 25 53 80 85 113 123 443 445 8800 11371" >>ALLOW_UDP_OUT="20 21 22 25 53 80 85 123 443 445 8800" >> >>for i in $ALLOW_TCP_OUT ; do >> /sbin/iptables -A CUSTOMFORWARD -i $GREEN -p tcp --dport $i -j ACCEPT >>done >> >> > >Can't they still setup an external proxy on one of these ports and still >bypass it? If I was a student I would setup apache in proxy mode on my >Road Runner connection (requiring a username/password) and set it to >accept connections on various ports that have a good chance of being open, >such as 20,21,22,23,25,443. > >A good site to see what students can do is http://peacefire.org/. It >appears they have a program called circumventor which lets the students >get around you're filtering even without changing the proxy server. It >also uses SSL to encrypt the transmission so you can't even see what's >going through. I don't know how to stop this one. > > > Sure they could; we've had to deal with circumventor for the last couple of years in our district. That's why you need to have a written policy in place that says what the penalties are for actions like this, and then enforce it. A big part of INFOSEC anywhere, including in a school, is having the written policy, otherwise you have little legal leg on which to stand when someone does something inappropriate, be it staff member, board member, or student. Of course, there certainly are technological ways to stop this, and you'd do that at your Internet firewall. Do your students have any *actual need* to use TCP 20, 21, 22, 23, and 25 to carry forward the educational process? Ask yourself that. TCP 80 and TCP 443, you can transparently proxy those. Combined, this should put a stop to apps like circumventor. --TP From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Jun 4 11:48:47 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:48:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nis,ldap,ad Message-ID: <40C0619F.5040602@msln.net> I've been pouring over past threads covering all of these. I have all win2k servers running AD. I'm trying to migrate to LTSP/linux as easy as possible. As far as authentication, what would be the best route. I have a mix of Linux, windows 95-xp, OS 9-X. Authentication across the board is getting difficult. I eventually want to be mostly LTSP boxes. I have no choice on the macs, but they are mostly OS X. Words of wisdom? Thanks Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jun 4 12:31:23 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 08:31:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Victory for the Flightless Bird! Message-ID: <40C06B9B.7040300@inlandlakes.org> [NOTE: Emails like this get me in trouble, PLEASE read my disclaimer] Well, it was put to our staff here voted almost unanimously to switch this summer to our new teacher system (which is thin clients for every teacher) for next year. There are some that oppose the change, but financial issues really spoke heavily this year. The keys for me? - Including Windows via rdesktop as an option, noting the high cost, but including it in the quote. This eased the mind of folks that didn't want to go into something unknown. Since LTSP allows you to boot a client directly into an rdesktop session, folks don't even have to see linux if they don't want to. - Getting well respected outside folks to email the super, saying, "yes, thin clients are the way industry and education are going. It's very new, but there are advantages to being on the cutting edge." Also, a quote I love from our main outside consultant, "Thin clients are the logical way to go -- not because they're cool, but because they're the right thing to do." - I keep referencing the superbowl ad from this year. IBM's single add was a linux ad. That's a lot of dough to waste on something if it's not viable. - I have had to tone down my excitement about linux A LOT. That sounds odd, but I was so gung-ho about it, that it seemed to folks it was just my pet project that I wanted to push on everyone. - Lastly, as a Mac school -- the same arguments that have been used forever about "it doesn't matter if they use a mac here, they'll be prepared for windows when they leave" that works just as well when you talk about linux. The precedent has been set for me. So mark Inland Lakes Schools as an adopter of linux in the classroom. Finally. [NOTE AGAIN: read my disclaimer.] -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Fri Jun 4 12:49:50 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:49:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Victory for the Flightless Bird! In-Reply-To: <40C06B9B.7040300@inlandlakes.org> References: <40C06B9B.7040300@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200406041349.54930.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Great news. - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAwG/yeWseh9tzvqgRAvl4AKChletjNjw7JZMq92fVOYU4mJ9rIwCcCY03 3wTCvH0W0uvgDavvbjCib24= =rqPo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jun 4 13:00:18 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:00:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 vs WB3 or RHE3 and old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: <40C05DD2.4@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40C05DD2.4@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: I can stop it with transparent proxying. Doing transparent proxying forces all machines regardless of browser setting...through the proxy. The proxy server must be at the "choke" point of the network. Works like a charm and makes it easy for me since I never have to set proxy settings on browsers or anything. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Sure they could; we've had to deal with circumventor for the last couple >of years in our district. That's why you need to have a written policy >in place that says what the penalties are for actions like this, and >then enforce it. A big part of INFOSEC anywhere, including in a school, >is having the written policy, otherwise you have little legal leg on >which to stand when someone does something inappropriate, be it staff >member, board member, or student. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Fri Jun 4 13:08:44 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:08:44 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Victory for the Flightless Bird! In-Reply-To: <40C06B9B.7040300@inlandlakes.org> References: <40C06B9B.7040300@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40C0745C.4020908@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > So mark Inland Lakes Schools as an adopter of linux in the classroom. > Finally. > > [NOTE AGAIN: read my disclaimer.] Even in South Africa we know that thin clients is the way to go. On June 16th, the schools linux users' group and the Shuttleworth foundation will be installing another 10 computer labs in schools! GO OPEN SOURCE! -Jonathan From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Jun 4 13:30:04 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:30:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nis,ldap,ad In-Reply-To: <40C0619F.5040602@msln.net> References: <40C0619F.5040602@msln.net> Message-ID: <1086355803.2406.477.camel@penguin> On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 07:48, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I've been pouring over past threads covering all of these. I have all > win2k servers running AD. I'm trying to migrate to LTSP/linux as easy as > possible. As far as authentication, what would be the best route. I have > a mix of Linux, windows 95-xp, > OS 9-X. Authentication across the board is getting difficult. I > eventually want to be mostly LTSP boxes. I have no choice on the macs, > but they are mostly OS X. Words of wisdom? LDAP is great, you can replace the GINA in XP machines with pgina to authenticate to LDAP, or you could setup a RADIUS server. This is an option I just started looking into. The FreeRADIUS project provides all the software needed for free. I don't know how you could authenticate 98 machines to LDAP. Your best solution might be setting up an SAMBA/LDAP DC and then you can authenticate via LDAP or AD off the same machine. I don't have any experience with NIS. The reason I've recently started checking out FreeRADIUS is that Cisco VPN can authenticate to a RADIUS server and that's one of my summer projects. JSR/ From julius at turtle.com Fri Jun 4 14:21:46 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] USB Printer on ThinkNIC In-Reply-To: <1086302693.4150.14.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <20040602004053.2D14C73CC2@hormel.redhat.com> <1086302693.4150.14.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <40008.216.216.171.3.1086358906.squirrel@bastion> Daniel, the config looks good. did you try "telnet ws_address 9100" to see if the que got created at the address you expect? julius > I am having trouble setting up an Epson inkjet printer on a ThinkNIC > client. I am running K12LTSP 3.1. The workstation config in lts.conf > is as follows: > > ws006] > XSERVER = Xvesa > LOCAL_APPS = N > USE_NFS_SWAP = N > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m > RUNLEVEL = 5 > SMODULE_01 = cmpci > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > MODULE_02 = printer > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = S > > I used the printer setup gui to create the que as a jetprint port using > port 9100. The printer is an Epson Stylus C40UX usb printer. > > When I try to do a CUPS test print all I get is error message that the > client is busy, retrying in 5 seconds; however, it doesn't. > > Any Suggestions? > > Dan Loomis > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wiz8 at mac.com Fri Jun 4 15:21:06 2004 From: wiz8 at mac.com (Paul Vittorino) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:21:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> <1086191733.32680.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Jun 2, 2004, at 12:06 PM, Jim Wildman wrote: > > If you watch closely you can see that Lowe's is using what looks like a > Linux thin client, at least in their wallpaper department. It is > definitely a kde implementation. > > Autozone also uses Linux. Looks like as a login from a terminal > arrangement. > > In both cases, I happened to catch a terminal as it rebooted. I happen to work for a growing computer retail chain and Linux is used extensively throughout the business. Besides having an HP-UX box running custom POS software, the Wyse60 terminals used as registers were replaced a few years ago with flex-atx PCs that pxe boot from a RedHat 6.2 box in the back that also acts as an internal web server and proxy. Except for a few human glitches, this system has worked flawlessly and allowed the company to implement electronic signature capture when credit card purchases are made. I know that if a keyboard fails or a monitor goes out, it is much cheaper to replace a keyboard now from shelf stock than waiting on a replacement for a Wyse keyboard. And with the openness of the system, the implementation of thermal receipt printers was achievable. Paul From julius at turtle.com Fri Jun 4 15:26:51 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC><1086191733.32680.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40095.216.216.171.3.1086362811.squirrel@bastion> > > On Jun 2, 2004, at 12:06 PM, Jim Wildman wrote: >> >> If you watch closely you can see that Lowe's is using what looks like a >> Linux thin client, at least in their wallpaper department. It is >> definitely a kde implementation. >> >> Autozone also uses Linux. Looks like as a login from a terminal >> arrangement. >> >> In both cases, I happened to catch a terminal as it rebooted. > I happen to work for a growing computer retail chain and Linux is used > extensively throughout the business. Besides having an HP-UX box > running custom POS software, the Wyse60 terminals used as registers > were replaced a few years ago with flex-atx PCs that pxe boot from a > RedHat 6.2 box in the back that also acts as an internal web server and > proxy. Except for a few human glitches, this system has worked > flawlessly and allowed the company to implement electronic signature > capture when credit card purchases are made. I know that if a keyboard > fails or a monitor goes out, it is much cheaper to replace a keyboard > now from shelf stock than waiting on a replacement for a Wyse keyboard. > And with the openness of the system, the implementation of thermal > receipt printers was achievable. > Paul, would you happen to know how they do the signature capture? julius From wiz8 at mac.com Fri Jun 4 16:09:55 2004 From: wiz8 at mac.com (Paul Vittorino) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:09:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] D Day In-Reply-To: <40095.216.216.171.3.1086362811.squirrel@bastion> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B49@ILFGEXC> <1086191733.32680.2.camel@localhost> <"Pine.LNX.4.58.04060 21304220.4340"@newross.rossberry.private> <40095.216.216.171.3.1086362811.squirrel@bastion> Message-ID: <9E69AD0C-B641-11D8-9FB5-000393099F68@mac.com> On Jun 4, 2004, at 10:26 AM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> I happen to work for a growing computer retail chain and Linux is used >> extensively throughout the business. Besides having an HP-UX box >> running custom POS software, the Wyse60 terminals used as registers >> were replaced a few years ago with flex-atx PCs that pxe boot from a >> RedHat 6.2 box in the back that also acts as an internal web server >> and >> proxy. Except for a few human glitches, this system has worked >> flawlessly and allowed the company to implement electronic signature >> capture when credit card purchases are made. I know that if a keyboard >> fails or a monitor goes out, it is much cheaper to replace a keyboard >> now from shelf stock than waiting on a replacement for a Wyse >> keyboard. >> And with the openness of the system, the implementation of thermal >> receipt printers was achievable. >> > Paul, > would you happen to know how they do the signature capture? julius Unfortunately I don't. I believe they are serial devices with a LCD screen. I'll try and take a closer look at exactly what make and model is being used if you like. As far as sharing valuable information, the corporate office would even let us use nor the IT give us the custom Wyse terminal emulator they wrote for the registers. Our store wanted to get rid of windows on the sales floor workstations but nothing available for Linux would do the emulation that Procom would. I was even lucky enough to talk to the person who wrote the emulator when he was in the store to do a hardware upgrade. Paul From lewis at pcc.com Fri Jun 4 18:00:33 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:00:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How can this be done? Message-ID: <12F8174F-B651-11D8-BF33-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> I have and existing network with five locations. I have a single dhcp server assigning addresses across the entire network. The four remote locations are connected to the main location via ISDN lines. DHCP requests from the remote locations are forwarded to the main location and appropriate IP's, subnet's, gateways, etc which are assigned at each of the sites. As the connection is slow I am planning on having an LTSP box at each location. The goal being to assign the IP's from the main location and tell the various hosts to get a boot image locally. Can this even be done? I was looking in /etc/dhcpd.conf and noticed the file names to be used. I expect I just need to specify a tftp host for each of the subnets. Any help will be much appreciated. Lewis --------- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed Linux. From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Jun 4 18:11:33 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:11:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How can this be done? In-Reply-To: <12F8174F-B651-11D8-BF33-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <12F8174F-B651-11D8-BF33-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <40C0BB55.30802@criticalcontrol.com> If you want to use the DHCP service on anotherbox do the following : 1. Make sure the DHCPD on the LTS is stopped and the service is NOT started again after the next reboot. (On Fedora Core 1 run levels 3,4 & 5) 2. Tweak the setting of the DHCP server to accomodate your requirements. In the DHCP Service /Other DHCP Options tab page Add the 5 values listed below: Code Option Name Value(s) 6 Domain Name Server 192.168.10.2 17 Root Path 192.168.10.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 28 Broadcast Address 192.168.10.255 66 TFTP Server Name 192.168.10.1 67 Boot File Name /lts/vmlinuz.ltsp (In our test environment the LTS box had IP 192.168.10.1 and the DHCP server was 192.168.10.2) -- === Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From k12osn at collinsoft.com Fri Jun 4 19:57:49 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 vs WB3 or RHE3 and old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: <40C05DD2.4@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Sure they could; we've had to deal with circumventor for the last couple > of years in our district. That's why you need to have a written policy > in place that says what the penalties are for actions like this, and > then enforce it. A big part of INFOSEC anywhere, including in a school, > is having the written policy, otherwise you have little legal leg on > which to stand when someone does something inappropriate, be it staff > member, board member, or student. I agree, I just didn't want someone to get a false sense of security. Too often we are asked for a technological solution to a non-technical problem. (OT: Our librarian wanted us to turn off the ability for students to change their desktop background. I wasn't going to punish the entire student body just because some of them chose inappropriate backgrounds. We just disable their account if they are caught with an inappropriate background (covered in our AUP). > Of course, there certainly are technological ways to stop this, and > you'd do that at your Internet firewall. Do your students have any > *actual need* to use TCP 20, 21, 22, 23, and 25 to carry forward the > educational process? Ask yourself that. TCP 80 and TCP 443, you can > transparently proxy those. Combined, this should put a stop to apps > like circumventor. Even blocking everything and transparently proxying those two ports won't stop someone from running some sort of anonymizing proxy such as circumventor. But I agree, talk softly but carry a big stick! -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From k12osn at collinsoft.com Fri Jun 4 20:00:46 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 vs WB3 or RHE3 and old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, David Trask wrote: > I can stop it with transparent proxying. Doing transparent proxying > forces all machines regardless of browser setting...through the proxy. > The proxy server must be at the "choke" point of the network. Works like > a charm and makes it easy for me since I never have to set proxy settings > on browsers or anything. I do that with IpCop, but they can still get around it with some of the anonymizing proxy software that doesn't require any browser setup. Best is to keep an eye on the students! -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk Fri Jun 4 19:49:21 2004 From: k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk (Henning Petersen Wangerin) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 21:49:21 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.1beta7 on Via CL10000 (Via C3) Message-ID: Hi! I'd like to setup a small ltsp-server on a Via CL10000 board, but the installation never begins! The only thing that hapends is " Uncomressing linux ... Ok to boot kernel" - or something lik that ;-) and the system reboots. The disks validates on a mediacheck, on is able to boot nicely on my K6-333 maschine. Please don't tell med that I can't run FC2 on my little nice C3 based toy! Thanx for all hint that may come - and have a nice weekend! -- Venlig hilsen / Best regards Henning Wangerin Skoletoften 9, Blans DK - 6400 Soenderborg Tlf. 36948694 via www.musimi.dk - VoIP til det danske folk From mross at esd165.org Fri Jun 4 20:15:05 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:15:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.1beta7 on Via CL10000 (Via C3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C0D849.5080407@esd165.org> Okay, I have to ask: K12LTSP 4.1beta7? As far as I know, all you can get is 4.0.1. --Matt Henning Petersen Wangerin wrote: >Hi! > >I'd like to setup a small ltsp-server on a Via CL10000 board, but the >installation never begins! > >The only thing that hapends is > >" Uncomressing linux ... Ok to boot kernel" - or something lik that >;-) > >and the system reboots. The disks validates on a mediacheck, on is >able to boot nicely on my K6-333 maschine. > >Please don't tell med that I can't run FC2 on my little nice C3 based >toy! > >Thanx for all hint that may come - and have a nice weekend! > > > From k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk Fri Jun 4 20:20:59 2004 From: k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk (Henning Petersen Wangerin) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:20:59 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.1beta7 on Via CL10000 (Via C3) In-Reply-To: <40C0D849.5080407@esd165.org> References: <40C0D849.5080407@esd165.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:15:05 -0700, you wrote: > Okay, I have to ask: K12LTSP 4.1beta7? As far as I know, all you can get > is 4.0.1. Just rsynced the K12LTSP-beta tree, as I did earler during tests of 3.1.2 I think it was ;-) But no matter that, it don't boot on my dual LAN Via motherboard :-( -- Venlig hilsen / Best regards Henning Wangerin Skoletoften 9, Blans DK - 6400 Soenderborg Tlf. 36948694 via www.musimi.dk - VoIP til det danske folk From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Jun 4 20:28:23 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:28:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] setting the default KDE menus Message-ID: I have tried to set the default KDE menus ... to take off the graphics intensive games, chromium - etc. I am thinking along the line of /var/lib/menu/kde Is this the right place to make changes that will affect ALL users? Are these changes permanent? Is there some way to give certain users all the menu items and then a restricted set for others? Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From mross at esd165.org Fri Jun 4 20:35:49 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:35:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.1beta7 on Via CL10000 (Via C3) In-Reply-To: References: <40C0D849.5080407@esd165.org> Message-ID: <40C0DD25.9080902@esd165.org> Great! We're already up to Beta7? I'll take that as good news, as we must be getting closer to a real release! Sm:)e. As for your problem, did you try the basics? Try changing your Bios' ACPI settings, or passing 'acpi=off' to the kernel at boot time. I've seen Fedora machines hang on boot without tweaking the acpi options a bit. --Matt Henning Petersen Wangerin wrote: >>Okay, I have to ask: K12LTSP 4.1beta7? As far as I know, all you can get >>is 4.0.1. >> >> > >Just rsynced the K12LTSP-beta tree, as I did earler during tests of >3.1.2 I think it was ;-) > >But no matter that, it don't boot on my dual LAN Via motherboard :-( > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jun 4 20:39:24 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:39:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] setting the default KDE menus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001701c44a74$05f94320$1803010a@paasda.org> chmod 770 for those binaries? and add a group 'gamers'... chown those binaries to 'gamers' =) maybe an easier way out there though =) definately an alternative i'm sure... although this doesn't do anything to the menus I don't think.. would just make clicking on the icon useless? me? I just chmod -x civ* =) for all those civ games in the lab.. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Joe Guenther Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:28 PM To: LTSP Subject: [K12OSN] setting the default KDE menus I have tried to set the default KDE menus ... to take off the graphics intensive games, chromium - etc. I am thinking along the line of /var/lib/menu/kde Is this the right place to make changes that will affect ALL users? Are these changes permanent? Is there some way to give certain users all the menu items and then a restricted set for others? Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Jun 4 22:06:02 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 16:06:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Session declined Maximum number of open sessions from host reached Message-ID: Every now and then I get this error mentioned to me. I'm not ever around to see how our students make it happen. It always occurs when our most mischievious students are leaving in a hurry! I just have the librarians wait a couple of minutes and they always reboot just fine. Is there anything that I can do to shorten the time required to reboot a client? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jun 4 22:22:25 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:22:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CigWin and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1086205341.22936.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40BE18E0.3000207@sages.us> <40BE1935.1070206@sages.us> <40BE20E4.3010200@sages.us> <1086202868.15182.104.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40BE28D0.1040107@sages.us> <1086205341.22936.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40C0F621.5010709@cfl.rr.com> I'm using it with XP Pro now and it works fine. I'm betting it's the firewall that's locking you out, cause you're probably coming in on the WAN NIC, which by default install is firewalled to block port 177, open that port or better yet, just turn off the firewall if you're behind another firewall at your internet connection point, and you should be good to go. Best of luck Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 14:21, Jim Hays wrote: > > >>I tried each of these with no success. >> >>I tried >> >>Xwin -fullscreen -query 10.1.6.100 >> >>and got the "gray screen" >> >> > >This should work from any location that would work with >a thin client. Perhaps you are hitting the 'outside' >interface that has iptables firewalling. The ssh -X >variation should have worked if you were able to log >in, though. > > > >>(I successfully connected with vncviewer 10.1.6.100) >> >>Which is better? VncViewer or CygWin? >> >> > >If you have good bandwidth, Cygwin is better. If you >are working remotely over a slow link, VNC is better. >VNC periodically scans the screen buffer, sending changes >so during fast updates it can skip some and catch up >with the final results. Using X directly, you have >to transmit every change as it happens. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Jun 4 22:33:13 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 16:33:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How can this be done? In-Reply-To: <5E3BC6F0-B66F-11D8-9281-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <5E3BC6F0-B66F-11D8-9281-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <40C0F8A9.30001@criticalcontrol.com> Hi Lewis : Doesn't matter what OS your DHCP is runing on the codes 6/17/28/66/67 are always the same. I did this on both a Linux and Novell based system before. What's your platform maybe I can give you an hint as to were to look. On linux you can hack the dhcpd.conf file with vi :-) If you installed K12LTSP than currently part of your dhcpd looks like option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.10.255; option routers 192.168.10.4; option domain-name-servers 192.168.10.2; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.10.1:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; So those options are already there 6 Domain Name Server 192.168.10.2 17 Root Path 192.168.10.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 28 Broadcast Address 192.168.10.255 So you only need 66 TFTP Server Name 192.168.10.1 67 Boot File Name /lts/vmlinuz.ltsp and I think that is done by adding the following 2 lines : option tftp-server-name "192.168.10.1"; option boot-file-name ="/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp" Peter -- === Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Jun 4 22:36:32 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 16:36:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI For those who need to be convinced of OSS Message-ID: <40C0F970.8070500@criticalcontrol.com> Adding another one to the list of OSS users : http://www.itbusiness.ca/index.asp?theaction=61&sid=55732 Have a great week-end Peter (go flames go) From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jun 4 23:06:16 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 19:06:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 vs WB3 or RHE3 and old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C10068.4020006@cmosnetworks.com> k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: >>Of course, there certainly are technological ways to stop this, and >>you'd do that at your Internet firewall. Do your students have any >>*actual need* to use TCP 20, 21, 22, 23, and 25 to carry forward the >>educational process? Ask yourself that. TCP 80 and TCP 443, you can >>transparently proxy those. Combined, this should put a stop to apps >>like circumventor. >> >> > >Even blocking everything and transparently proxying those two ports won't >stop someone from running some sort of anonymizing proxy such as >circumventor. > >But I agree, talk softly but carry a big stick! > Actually, transparently proxying those two ports will do it very nicely. If someone's running an anonymizing proxy, just block that IP address. Since, in this scenario, you'd be allowing only TCP 80 and TCP 443 to go out, they *have* to go through your transparent proxy setup before they can go out. Thus, you can do whatever you want to their traffic, and they have no choice. Discover an anonymizing proxier? No problem: "access-list 199 deny ip any host ano.nym.iz.er". That's how we dealt with circumventor, and it does work. But wait, you may say! They could use TCP 53, the DNS port! Nope, not if you set up split DNS and tweak your firewall rules, making your internal one a forwarder. Heh heh...sorry, kiddies. The only way I can think of to get around this is to have a modem or DSL line, which 1.) costs money, and 2.) should be verboten in the policy document anyway. From robark at telus.net Sat Jun 5 01:56:26 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:56:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repost: KStars downloaded images blank Message-ID: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> Right clicking on a heavenly body in KStars will usually bring up the "Show SEDS image" option. The image downloads but it will not display with KStars. The image window is blank. I can save the image okay, though. This problem only exists on my clients. They are all nvidia riva 128's. However, on the server which has an on board ATI rage pro chip the images appear properly (regardless if I log in as root or a user). However, on the clients, even as root I do not get an image (just black space in the image window) So it's not a permission problem. I figure it must be a problem with XF86Config for the clients and server being different. I have enabled 24 bit color (as the riva 128 can't do 16 with xfree86 4.3) and set XSERVER = auto in lts.conf. I even tried XSERVER = nv, no luck. The damn images are just gif's and jpg's. Any video card should be able to display them. I looked at top (interactive A option) and I found the program was ----------kdeinit------------ that was trying to display the images. I don't know anything about kdeinit but it must somehow call an image viewing mechanism. Somehow the client xserver is not able to display the downloaded image with kdeinit. Can someone try to view these celestial SEDS images on their clients and confirm this behavior??? KStars is an awsome program worth the effort. Do I need any modules loaded with Xfree86? Anyone have any ideas to solve this issue. BTW I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jun 5 02:15:51 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:15:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Repost: KStars downloaded images blank In-Reply-To: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> References: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <40C12CD7.50605@cmosnetworks.com> Do you by any chance have a thin client with any other type of video card? You're right; if they're just GIFs and JPEGs, they should display just fine. Also, if you go Web surfing on your clients, do the GIFs and JPEGs display properly? When you save these images from within KStars, can you view them with, say, Kuickshow, Electric Eyes, or The GIMP on your clients? --TP Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Right clicking on a heavenly body in KStars will usually bring up the "Show >SEDS image" option. The image downloads but it will not display with KStars. >The image window is blank. > >I can save the image okay, though. This problem only exists on my clients. >They are all nvidia riva 128's. However, on the server which has an on board >ATI rage pro chip the images appear properly (regardless if I log in as root >or a user). However, on the clients, even as root I do not get an image (just >black space in the image window) > >So it's not a permission problem. I figure it must be a problem with >XF86Config for the clients and server being different. > >I have enabled 24 bit color (as the riva 128 can't do 16 with xfree86 4.3) and >set XSERVER = auto in lts.conf. I even tried XSERVER = nv, no luck. The damn >images are just gif's and jpg's. Any video card should be able to display >them. > >I looked at top (interactive A option) and I found the program was >----------kdeinit------------ that was trying to display the images. >I don't know anything about kdeinit but it must somehow call an image viewing >mechanism. Somehow the client xserver is not able to display the downloaded >image with kdeinit. > >Can someone try to view these celestial SEDS images on their clients and >confirm this behavior??? KStars is an awsome program worth the effort. > >Do I need any modules loaded with Xfree86? Anyone have any ideas to solve this >issue. > >BTW I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 > >Robert Arkiletian >Eric Hamber Secondary > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Fri Jun 4 23:30:28 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:30:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] duplex problem with new switch Message-ID: <20040604193028.54205b66.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Recently we had a switch go down in the school, so the our tech guy had to take the schools one out of my room and I have to use an older donated one. Since then I have run into a small problem. First I want to appogize for some of the missing details, I forgot to write everything down that I needed before I left school. It is graduation night, and I needed to get home, so I could get back :-) The switch I am now using is an older Cysco switch. One 100MB port (for server) and 24 10MB port for the terminal. I use 7 of the 24 ports. The switch is a Catalyst (sp??) model, and I do not have the necessary wires or information to change any of the current settings. Almost all of the terminals are using 10MB NICs, so when we made the trade, I really did not thing there would be much of a slow down, even though the schools switch was all 100MB ports. But there where some major slowdowns. When I checked the logs, there was a lot of crap repeated over and over again, all starting with something about the duplex setting on eth0, the card that connects to the switch. After some research, I found that if removed the module, then ran 'insmod 3c59x debug=1 options=4 full_duplex=1' everthing worked fine again. Unfortunatly, this affects both NICs, the onboard eth1 and the PCI card eth0, and I do not know what kind of crazyness this may be causing to the schools network. I can't change either of the cards since one is on-board and school only has one kind of PCI NICs I also do not want to have to go thought the process evert time I restart the server. So I edited the one line in '/etc/modules.conf' file to say 'alias eth0 3c59x debug=1 options=4 full_duplex=1' thinking that would work, but it didn't. So at this point I am lost. Where can I but those options so that it works on boot-up, but does not mess with eth1? ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From patmo98 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 5 03:43:10 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:43:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] duplex problem with new switch In-Reply-To: <20040604193028.54205b66.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <20040604193028.54205b66.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <40C1414E.4000409@yahoo.com> Gentgeen wrote: >Recently we had a switch go down in the school, so the our tech guy had > >to take the schools one out of my room and I have to use an older > >donated one. Since then I have run into a small problem. > > > >First I want to appogize for some of the missing details, I forgot to > >write everything down that I needed before I left school. It is > >graduation night, and I needed to get home, so I could get back :-) > > > >The switch I am now using is an older Cysco switch. One 100MB port (for > >server) and 24 10MB port for the terminal. I use 7 of the 24 ports. > >The switch is a Catalyst (sp??) model, and I do not have the necessary > >wires or information to change any of the current settings. Almost all > >of the terminals are using 10MB NICs, so when we made the trade, I > >really did not thing there would be much of a slow down, even though the > >schools switch was all 100MB ports. But there where some major > >slowdowns. When I checked the logs, there was a lot of crap repeated > >over and over again, all starting with something about the duplex > >setting on eth0, the card that connects to the switch. > > > >After some research, I found that if removed the module, then ran > >'insmod 3c59x debug=1 options=4 full_duplex=1' everthing worked fine > >again. Unfortunatly, this affects both NICs, the onboard eth1 and the > >PCI card eth0, and I do not know what kind of crazyness this may be > >causing to the schools network. I can't change either of the cards > >since one is on-board and school only has one kind of PCI NICs I also > >do not want to have to go thought the process evert time I restart the > >server. So I edited the one line in '/etc/modules.conf' file to say > >'alias eth0 3c59x debug=1 options=4 full_duplex=1' thinking that would > >work, but it didn't. > > > >So at this point I am lost. Where can I but those options so that it > >works on boot-up, but does not mess with eth1? > > > > > To answer your first question put your line ie "insmod 3c59x debug=1 options=4 full_duplex=1" in /etc/rc.d/rc.local From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Jun 5 04:27:46 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 09:57:46 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Test bug fix: verynice & games In-Reply-To: <1085686646.2491.182.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1085686646.2491.182.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1086409666.13005.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 01:07, Eric Harrison wrote: > One of my schools noticed a design flaw in verynice that causes it to > ignore programs that are sgid (set group id). It is standard practice > for games to have the sgid bit set, to facilitate system-wide "top > scores" and such. > > Of course games have the tendency to be resource hogs, exactly the type > of thing that verynice is supposed to mitigate. Gnuchess, in particular, > can quickly drag a fast server to its knees. Murphy's law. You posted this and a week later my office people reported extreme slow downs at random intervals during the day. Turned out that one of the persons was playing chess and.... Sorry I did not have resources to try your patch but I did unload the game and problem has disappeared for now. Will keep eye out on progress of this patch. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Sat Jun 5 04:50:11 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:50:11 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] duplex problem with new switch Message-ID: Gentgeen wrote: >> So at this point I am lost. Where can I but those options so that it works on boot-up, but does not mess with eth1? << Edit /etc/modules.conf so that it has these lines: alias eth0 3c59x options eth0 debug=1 options=4 full_duplex=1 That should fix it for just eth0, but not eth1. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From vcarecrc at vsnl.com Sat Jun 5 05:34:04 2004 From: vcarecrc at vsnl.com (vcare) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:04:04 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] banning windows clients from DHCP? In-Reply-To: <200406012312.58163.robark@telus.net> References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20040528153651.02e4c660@michiana.org> <1086068235.18184.46.camel@ltsp.bofh> <200406012312.58163.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <40C15B4C.70603@vsnl.com> Please put the entry in dhcpd.conf deny unknow-clients, This line will not allow any other mac-address to get the ip address from dhcp server. You need to define all the ltsp -workstations here with host entry. regards K.Dinesh Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Check this out > >http://www.etherboot.org/doc50/html/userman-4.html > >Try making your boot floppies with REQUIRE_VCI_ETHERBOOT option. You can do it >easy with the configure button here > >http://rom-o-matic.net/5.2.4/ > >don't forget to declared your dhcp server as "not authoritative". > >Hope this helps. >Robert Arkiletian >Eric Hamber Secondary > >On Monday 31 May 2004 10:37 pm, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > > >>hi all, is there a way to keep Windows machines with DHCP enabled from >>getting an IP/gateway/DNS on LTSP 3.1.2? >> >>many of my clients are specified in lts.conf, but if someone plugs a >>laptop into a port on ETH0, they get an IP and off they go. some of >>these same problem children have a boot floppy/lts.conf config, so it >>would not be good to block them by MAC. i just would like to block them >>if they popped out the boot floppy. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at telus.net Sat Jun 5 06:45:51 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:45:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repost: KStars downloaded images blank In-Reply-To: <40C12CD7.50605@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> <40C12CD7.50605@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200406042345.51392.robark@telus.net> Well all 30 of them use nvidia riva 128's but I do have a S3 trio64+ and an old matrox sitting around. Thanks for the idea Terrell. I will pop out an nvidia card on one of them and test it out on monday. But I doubt it will make any difference because if I SAVE the image with KStars I can then view it with any image viewer (gimp, eog, web browsers). It's a real showstopper if you have to save and then open the image with another viewer though. I still think it has something to do with kdeinit and/or the XF86config settings in lts.conf. What I am looking for from this listserve is just some people to take a couple of seconds and try KStars from a client and see if they experience the same problem. If they do, then I'm going to contact the developers and see if I can report it as a bug. Thanks for your reply Terrell, I appreciate it. Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary On Friday 04 June 2004 7:15 pm, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Do you by any chance have a thin client with any other type of video > card? You're right; if they're just GIFs and JPEGs, they should display > just fine. Also, if you go Web surfing on your clients, do the GIFs and > JPEGs display properly? When you save these images from within KStars, > can you view them with, say, Kuickshow, Electric Eyes, or The GIMP on > your clients? > > --TP > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >Right clicking on a heavenly body in KStars will usually bring up the > > "Show SEDS image" option. The image downloads but it will not display > > with KStars. The image window is blank. > > > >I can save the image okay, though. This problem only exists on my clients. > >They are all nvidia riva 128's. However, on the server which has an on > > board ATI rage pro chip the images appear properly (regardless if I log > > in as root or a user). However, on the clients, even as root I do not get > > an image (just black space in the image window) > > > >So it's not a permission problem. I figure it must be a problem with > >XF86Config for the clients and server being different. > > > >I have enabled 24 bit color (as the riva 128 can't do 16 with xfree86 4.3) > > and set XSERVER = auto in lts.conf. I even tried XSERVER = nv, no luck. > > The damn images are just gif's and jpg's. Any video card should be able > > to display them. > > > >I looked at top (interactive A option) and I found the program was > >----------kdeinit------------ that was trying to display the images. > >I don't know anything about kdeinit but it must somehow call an image > > viewing mechanism. Somehow the client xserver is not able to display the > > downloaded image with kdeinit. > > > >Can someone try to view these celestial SEDS images on their clients and > >confirm this behavior??? KStars is an awsome program worth the effort. > > > >Do I need any modules loaded with Xfree86? Anyone have any ideas to solve > > this issue. > > > >BTW I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 > > > >Robert Arkiletian > >Eric Hamber Secondary > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk Sat Jun 5 09:15:34 2004 From: k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk (Henning Petersen Wangerin) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:15:34 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.1beta7 on Via CL10000 (Via C3) In-Reply-To: <40C0DD25.9080902@esd165.org> References: <40C0D849.5080407@esd165.org> <40C0DD25.9080902@esd165.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:35:49 -0700, you wrote: > Great! We're already up to Beta7? I'll take that as good news, as we > must be getting closer to a real release! Sm:)e. Yeah, but I don't remember any announcements of betas yet ;-) > As for your problem, did you try the basics? Try changing your Bios' > ACPI settings, or passing 'acpi=off' to the kernel at boot time. I've > seen Fedora machines hang on boot without tweaking the acpi options a bit. Didn't help!. -- Venlig hilsen / Best regards Henning Wangerin Skoletoften 9, Blans DK - 6400 Soenderborg Tlf. 36948694 via www.musimi.dk - VoIP til det danske folk From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jun 5 13:20:11 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 09:20:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] duplex problem with new switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C1C88B.60406@cmosnetworks.com> That's a good way to do it. Here's another way, if you're on good terms w/ the network folks: just lock down whatever switch port to 100M/FDX that eth1's sitting on. That's how we do it for our SASIxp servers. BTW, it sound like you have a Catalyst 1900-series switch. Cisco used to make a 1912 and a 1924 with a bunch of 10M ports and two 100M uplinks. --TP Les Bell wrote: >Gentgeen wrote: > > > >So at this point I am lost. Where can I but those options so that it >works on boot-up, but does not mess with eth1? ><< > >Edit /etc/modules.conf so that it has these lines: > >alias eth0 3c59x >options eth0 debug=1 options=4 full_duplex=1 > >That should fix it for just eth0, but not eth1. > >Best, > >--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP >[http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sat Jun 5 09:31:18 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 05:31:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] duplex problem with new switch In-Reply-To: <40C1C88B.60406@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40C1C88B.60406@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20040605053118.6aa483f9.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> This list never ceases to amaze me! I sent the orig. post out after midnight on a Friday night, and I get a reply by 9:30 am Sat. You guys and gals are great :-) Also, this is THE most active list I have ever been part off -- Les, I will try out your suggestion on Monday when I get back to school. I did not put in an options line in my /etc/modules.conf file, just tacked it to the end of the alias line. Maybe that will do the trick - Thanks. Terrell, if I remember correctly the switch is a 2028, or some other combination of those same numbers. Although once again, the switch is at school and I don't have any info written down. Just for the record, I'll give an update on Monday after I get a chance to try Les's option. On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 09:20:11 -0400 "Terrell Prude', Jr." wrote: > That's a good way to do it. > > Here's another way, if you're on good terms w/ the network folks: > just lock down whatever switch port to 100M/FDX that eth1's sitting > on. That's how we do it for our SASIxp servers. > > BTW, it sound like you have a Catalyst 1900-series switch. Cisco used > to make a 1912 and a 1924 with a bunch of 10M ports and two 100M > uplinks. > > --TP > > Les Bell wrote: > > >Gentgeen wrote: > > > > > > > >So at this point I am lost. Where can I but those options so that it > >works on boot-up, but does not mess with eth1? > ><< > > > >Edit /etc/modules.conf so that it has these lines: > > > >alias eth0 3c59x > >options eth0 debug=1 options=4 full_duplex=1 > > > >That should fix it for just eth0, but not eth1. > > > >Best, > > > >--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > >[http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Jun 5 14:34:45 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:34:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.1beta7 on Via CL10000 (Via C3) In-Reply-To: References: <40C0D849.5080407@esd165.org> <40C0DD25.9080902@esd165.org> Message-ID: <40C1DA05.5090603@inlandlakes.org> Henning Petersen Wangerin wrote: >>Great! We're already up to Beta7? Alpha 7 -- not beta. Eric announce a while back that he was releasing the alpha tests, and things were very broken. I don't know the status of alpha7, but since it's still alpha, I certainly wouldn't use it for other users -- and if you use it -- save often. :) -Shawn From patmo98 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 5 14:51:26 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 07:51:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.1alpha7 on Via CL10000 (Via C3) In-Reply-To: <40C1DA05.5090603@inlandlakes.org> References: <40C0D849.5080407@esd165.org> <40C0DD25.9080902@esd165.org> <40C1DA05.5090603@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40C1DDEE.5000502@yahoo.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > Henning Petersen Wangerin wrote: > >>> Great! We're already up to Beta7? >> > > > > Alpha 7 -- not beta. Eric announce a while back that he was releasing > the alpha tests, and things were very broken. I don't know the status > of alpha7, but since it's still alpha, I certainly wouldn't use it for > other users -- and if you use it -- save often. :) > > > > -Shawn > Alpha implys that many features are not even in the iso's yet. Remember two more things. First, you will probably not get ANG help on the list with ANY probloms. Seecoundly, Eric just ignore ALL bug reports until all of the bugs that he knows about have been worked on, and by that time most of your information should be invalid. From les at futuresource.com Sat Jun 5 15:50:49 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:50:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.1beta7 on Via CL10000 (Via C3) In-Reply-To: References: <40C0D849.5080407@esd165.org> <40C0DD25.9080902@esd165.org> Message-ID: <1086450649.14839.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 04:15, Henning Petersen Wangerin wrote: > > As for your problem, did you try the basics? Try changing your Bios' > > ACPI settings, or passing 'acpi=off' to the kernel at boot time. I've > > seen Fedora machines hang on boot without tweaking the acpi options a bit. You might need the opposite too - I have a machine that needs acpi=force to boot the fedora2 install CD. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Jun 5 15:57:25 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:57:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] duplex problem with new switch In-Reply-To: <40C1C88B.60406@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40C1C88B.60406@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1086451045.14839.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 08:20, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Here's another way, if you're on good terms w/ the network folks: just > lock down whatever switch port to 100M/FDX that eth1's sitting on. > That's how we do it for our SASIxp servers. When you lock one end of the connection it no longer negotiates and the other end has to assume half-duplex. I'd guess that is the problem now. Some of the really old Cisco switches had problems with automatic negotiation so locking both ends became the recommended solution. These days I'd recommend replacing anything that doesn't get it right. Anyway, if you want to check or change the setting on the Linux side after booting, use the mii-tool program. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jun 5 15:55:24 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:55:24 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] nis,ldap,ad Message-ID: <200406051441.i55EfF507688@downeast.net> i use winbind to auth to w2k ad..osx to w2k is still broken i think.. chuck > I've been pouring over past threads covering all of these. I have all > win2k servers running AD. I'm trying to migrate to LTSP/linux as easy as > possible. As far as authentication, what would be the best route. I have > a mix of Linux, windows 95-xp, > OS 9-X. Authentication across the board is getting difficult. I > eventually want to be mostly LTSP boxes. I have no choice on the macs, > but they are mostly OS X. Words of wisdom? > Thanks > Mark > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD#3 > Unity, Maine 04988 > Gumprechtm at msln.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk Sat Jun 5 19:47:28 2004 From: k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk (Henning Petersen Wangerin) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:47:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.1alpha7 on Via CL10000 (Via C3) In-Reply-To: <40C1DDEE.5000502@yahoo.com> References: <40C0D849.5080407@esd165.org> <40C0DD25.9080902@esd165.org> <40C1DA05.5090603@inlandlakes.org> <40C1DDEE.5000502@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 07:51:26 -0700, you wrote: > > Alpha 7 -- not beta. Eric announce a while back that he was releasing > Alpha implys that many features are not even in the iso's yet. Remember > two more things. First, you will probably not get ANG help on the list Sure, I think I have a problem with my eyes ;-) Ofcource alpha-versions is too far out. I think I better burn th 4.0.1 iso's I also downloaded! -- Venlig hilsen / Best regards Henning Wangerin Skoletoften 9, Blans DK - 6400 Soenderborg Tlf. 36948694 via www.musimi.dk - VoIP til det danske folk From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jun 5 21:06:19 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:06:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] duplex problem with new switch In-Reply-To: <1086451045.14839.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <40C1C88B.60406@cmosnetworks.com> <1086451045.14839.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40C235CB.8070403@cmosnetworks.com> Quite correct; we do in fact lock both ends. Autonegotiation is much better on newer gear, true, but budgetary issues can, sadly, get in the way. Since he's working w/ a donation, I figured he might be in that situation. Sounds like he might have a Catalyst 2820 switch, which is definitely an older (but serviceable) unit. --TP Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 08:20, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > > >>Here's another way, if you're on good terms w/ the network folks: just >>lock down whatever switch port to 100M/FDX that eth1's sitting on. >>That's how we do it for our SASIxp servers. >> >> > >When you lock one end of the connection it no longer negotiates and the >other end has to assume half-duplex. I'd guess that is the >problem now. Some of the really old Cisco switches had problems >with automatic negotiation so locking both ends became the >recommended solution. These days I'd recommend replacing >anything that doesn't get it right. > >Anyway, if you want to check or change the setting on the >Linux side after booting, use the mii-tool program. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Sun Jun 6 01:21:12 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:21:12 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] duplex problem with new switch Message-ID: Gentgeen wrote: >> This list never ceases to amaze me! I sent the orig. post out after midnight on a Friday night, and I get a reply by 9:30 am Sat. << Never forget - the world is round, and some of us are in the sunshine while you're asleep. ;) If you want to read up some more on problems with auto-ngotiation, here's a couple of links: Bennet, Michael J., "SysAdmins: Do You See Auto Negotiation as (AN) As Convenient or Confounding?", Berkeley Lab Computing News, July 2002, available online: http://www.lbl.gov/ITSD/CIS/compnews/2002/July/09.html Cisco Inc. Application Note, "10/100 Mbps Auto-Negotiation", available online: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/prodlit/aneg_an.htm That second link might be particularly appropriate if you're using a Cisco switch. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Sun Jun 6 06:36:59 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:36:59 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086414081.1748.62.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Ryan, Aw shucks, just keep an eye out for one site that seems to be getting extra attention. There are flaws in the circumventor strategy. 1) It relies on someone in the censored environment with sufficient ability to install the software on their personal machine outside of the censored environment. The censored environment may be a home, school, or country. 2) The circumventor machine has to be uncensored, or the censoring software has to be disabled. 3) The circumventor machine has to be on a permanent connection, so the address won't change. This will show up in your proxy logs, once it does, BLOCK IT! 4) Peacefire suggests only giving this address out to about 10 people. Why? So the traffic doesn't get too heavy on this 'little server'. Remember, this is a personal machine machine. I'm not that clued up on firewall rules, but here are some questions for the list. If your firewall is set up to only allow incoming connections from certain hosts, could the circumventor machine get through? If you have squidguard / dansguardian running on the firewall/proxy will the circumventor machine be able to bypass that filtering? The peacefire site only mentions machines with locally installed filtering software like Net Nanny. Cheers, Bert > A good site to see what students can do is http://peacefire.org/. It > appears they have a program called circumventor which lets the students > get around you're filtering even without changing the proxy server. It > also uses SSL to encrypt the transmission so you can't even see what's > going through. I don't know how to stop this one. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jun 6 21:40:47 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:40:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: <1086414081.1748.62.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1086414081.1748.62.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <40C38F5F.1040108@cmosnetworks.com> Bert Rolston wrote: >Hi Ryan, > >Aw shucks, just keep an eye out for one site that seems to be getting >extra attention. > >There are flaws in the circumventor strategy. > >1) It relies on someone in the censored environment with sufficient >ability to install the software on their personal machine outside of the >censored environment. The censored environment may be a home, school, or >country. > >2) The circumventor machine has to be uncensored, or the censoring >software has to be disabled. > >3) The circumventor machine has to be on a permanent connection, so the >address won't change. This will show up in your proxy logs, once it >does, BLOCK IT! > >4) Peacefire suggests only giving this address out to about 10 people. >Why? So the traffic doesn't get too heavy on this 'little server'. >Remember, this is a personal machine machine. > >I'm not that clued up on firewall rules, but here are some questions for >the list. > >If your firewall is set up to only allow incoming connections from >certain hosts, could the circumventor machine get through? > >If you have squidguard / dansguardian running on the firewall/proxy will >the circumventor machine be able to bypass that filtering? > >The peacefire site only mentions machines with locally installed >filtering software like Net Nanny. > >Cheers, >Bert > > Incoming connections are irrelevant in this case. The TCP connection is initiated from the inside, so on any stateful packet filter (say, netfilter, pf, or Cisco's PIX) the connection will be allowed. On stateless packet filters (say, ipchains or a Cisco access list), if you allow packets with the ACK bit set to come back in, that's the older way of effectively accomplishing the same thing. Note that you should always block attempted connections coming into the trusted network from the outside. To stop circumventor, you'd need to block anybody going out directly from a client box on any TCP or UDP port. Yes, I know, this knocks out Web access, which your folks need. So how do we give it to them if the firewall's blocking anything coming directly from a client box? Here's how. Transparently proxy TCP 80 and TCP 443; do this, and your firewall setup--firewalls include your proxy/ICF server, let's all remember--will always control the connection. This applies to any Web content filtering application that supports transparent proxying, be it DansGuardian, I-Gear (ick!), squidGuard, or whatever. That's how you can block outside servers running circumventor, because it is quite correct that the external circumventor server will need a consistent IP address, which will indeed show up in the logs (you do review your logs, right? :-) ). Also have an internal DNS server in a split-DNS configuration, and configure your firewall such that only the internal DNS server can forward and receive requests to and from the external DNS server. Do this, and you'll stop circumventor...cold. --TP From k12osn at collinsoft.com Mon Jun 7 01:17:08 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 vs WB3 or RHE3 and old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: <40C10068.4020006@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: > >Even blocking everything and transparently proxying those two ports won't > >stop someone from running some sort of anonymizing proxy such as > >circumventor. > > Actually, transparently proxying those two ports will do it very > nicely. If someone's running an anonymizing proxy, just block that IP > address. Since, in this scenario, you'd be allowing only TCP 80 and TCP > 443 to go out, they *have* to go through your transparent proxy setup > before they can go out. Thus, you can do whatever you want to their > traffic, and they have no choice. Discover an anonymizing proxier? No > problem: "access-list 199 deny ip any host ano.nym.iz.er". That's how > we dealt with circumventor, and it does work. This still won't stop someone from running an anonymous proxy service that acts as a website. I'm not familiar with circumventor at all, but I have seen software where you surf to the website running on a home machine, it asks for a url, and it sends the page to you, bypassing any filtering you might have done. A good example on how this works would be http://www.anonymizer.com/ (which should be blocked in your filtering software!). And if they set it up as a secure site, Dans Guardian won't be able to filter the content. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From k12osn at collinsoft.com Mon Jun 7 01:40:16 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: <1086414081.1748.62.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Bert Rolston wrote: > Aw shucks, just keep an eye out for one site that seems to be getting > extra attention. > > There are flaws in the circumventor strategy. > > 1) It relies on someone in the censored environment with sufficient > ability to install the software on their personal machine outside of the > censored environment. The censored environment may be a home, school, or > country. > > 2) The circumventor machine has to be uncensored, or the censoring > software has to be disabled. With the proliferation of cable/DSL connections, this is getting easier and easier, and most parents are pretty ingorant when it comes to their computer. > 3) The circumventor machine has to be on a permanent connection, so the > address won't change. This will show up in your proxy logs, once it > does, BLOCK IT! Even with dial-up you can use a service such as http://www.no-ip.com/ or http://www.dyndns.org/. But wait, you can block those sites, but they could bring up the command line and ping the no-ip.com name and get their ip address. If command line is disabled, go to one of the various sites that give you net tools such as ping or traceroute, such as http://www.geektools.com/ and you can still find out the ip address. > If you have squidguard / dansguardian running on the firewall/proxy will > the circumventor machine be able to bypass that filtering? > > The peacefire site only mentions machines with locally installed > filtering software like Net Nanny. Since circumventor traffic is encrypted with SSL, Dans Guardian wouldn't be able to see the data to filter it. SquidGuard could if you check your logs and start blocking access to IPs. In a small enough location you could conceivably block most of the dial-up and broadband ip addresses. You could run something like this: http://www.jmarshall.com/tools/cgiproxy/ at home with SSL and be able to surf anywhere. In fact, I haven't figured out how to force them to make sure every site they're visiting goes through our filter. The best that I've figured out is to make sure you can use you logs to tell you exactly who was using what computer when and what websites they visited. Anyway, you can't rely on technology for this one, unless you go to whitelists and block everything else.. :-) -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jun 7 01:45:26 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:45:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 vs WB3 or RHE3 and old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C3C8B6.4040803@cmosnetworks.com> k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: >On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > >>k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: >> >> >>>Even blocking everything and transparently proxying those two ports won't >>>stop someone from running some sort of anonymizing proxy such as >>>circumventor. >>> >>> >>Actually, transparently proxying those two ports will do it very >>nicely. If someone's running an anonymizing proxy, just block that IP >>address. Since, in this scenario, you'd be allowing only TCP 80 and TCP >>443 to go out, they *have* to go through your transparent proxy setup >>before they can go out. Thus, you can do whatever you want to their >>traffic, and they have no choice. Discover an anonymizing proxier? No >>problem: "access-list 199 deny ip any host ano.nym.iz.er". That's how >>we dealt with circumventor, and it does work. >> >> > >This still won't stop someone from running an anonymous proxy service that >acts as a website. I'm not familiar with circumventor at all, but I have >seen software where you surf to the website running on a home machine, it >asks for a url, and it sends the page to you, bypassing any filtering you >might have done. A good example on how this works would be >http://www.anonymizer.com/ (which should be blocked in your filtering >software!). > >And if they set it up as a secure site, Dans Guardian won't be able to >filter the content. > > > You're absolutely correct; someone can do all of that. However, it'll show up in your logs (you are checking your logs, right? :-) ), and you can block that site, either from within DansGuardian/squidGuard/whatever, or on your packet filter, the same way you block www.anonymizer.com. Not sure if you're about to block a "real" Web site? nslookup and whois can be your friends here. Oh, by the way, as it shows up in the logs, you can coordinate that with the source IP address, i. e. the client box, thus narrowing down which school, which switch port, therefore which drop in which room, at what time, and you have nailed that kid. I've had to do this kind of thing many times, and we do run DHCP w/ private IP addresses, and yes, I am successful nearly every time. Not that I'm particularly brilliant; it just ain't that hard. ;-) --TP From shawn at techcoms.net Mon Jun 7 13:03:54 2004 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:03:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] old proxy by-pass prob References: Message-ID: <001b01c44c97$f6e14e70$0c0aa8c0@wslhome> Here is a nice resource to keep you a little ahead of the game. www.antiproxy.com Subscribe to this site and you will get allot of info on how you can by pass your proxy or anyone elses. Just start blocking them.. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] old proxy by-pass prob > On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Bert Rolston wrote: > > Aw shucks, just keep an eye out for one site that seems to be getting > > extra attention. > > > > There are flaws in the circumventor strategy. > > > > 1) It relies on someone in the censored environment with sufficient > > ability to install the software on their personal machine outside of the > > censored environment. The censored environment may be a home, school, or > > country. > > > > 2) The circumventor machine has to be uncensored, or the censoring > > software has to be disabled. > > With the proliferation of cable/DSL connections, this is getting easier > and easier, and most parents are pretty ingorant when it comes to their > computer. > > > 3) The circumventor machine has to be on a permanent connection, so the > > address won't change. This will show up in your proxy logs, once it > > does, BLOCK IT! > > Even with dial-up you can use a service such as http://www.no-ip.com/ or > http://www.dyndns.org/. But wait, you can block those sites, but they > could bring up the command line and ping the no-ip.com name and get their > ip address. If command line is disabled, go to one of the various sites > that give you net tools such as ping or traceroute, such as > http://www.geektools.com/ and you can still find out the ip address. > > > If you have squidguard / dansguardian running on the firewall/proxy will > > the circumventor machine be able to bypass that filtering? > > > > The peacefire site only mentions machines with locally installed > > filtering software like Net Nanny. > > Since circumventor traffic is encrypted with SSL, Dans Guardian wouldn't > be able to see the data to filter it. SquidGuard could if you check your > logs and start blocking access to IPs. In a small enough location you > could conceivably block most of the dial-up and broadband ip addresses. > > You could run something like this: > http://www.jmarshall.com/tools/cgiproxy/ > at home with SSL and be able to surf anywhere. In fact, I haven't figured > out how to force them to make sure every site they're visiting goes > through our filter. The best that I've figured out is to make sure you can > use you logs to tell you exactly who was using what computer when and what > websites they visited. > > Anyway, you can't rely on technology for this one, unless you go to > whitelists and block everything else.. :-) > > -- > Ryan Collins > Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools > http://www.kentoncityschools.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jun 7 14:01:14 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:01:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] fatal server error HELP! Message-ID: This is from a colleague of mine...his LTSP server is down...his message follows. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ wonder if either of you have any ideas, currently searching the web, but no luck so far. Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' thanks for any advice Shane +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Jun 7 13:57:05 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:57:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] fatal server error HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C47431.8010505@msln.net> Some info on what it is. Maybe direct you in how. http://www.lugaru.com/man/font-fixed.html Mark David Trask wrote: >This is from a colleague of mine...his LTSP server is down...his message >follows. >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >wonder if either of you have any ideas, currently searching the web, but >no luck so far. > >Fatal server error: >could not open default font 'fixed' > >thanks for any advice > >Shane >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Jun 7 13:59:42 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:59:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] fatal server error HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C474CE.6070506@msln.net> Possible fix http://www.spinics.net/lists/xf-xpert/msg07697.html David Trask wrote: >This is from a colleague of mine...his LTSP server is down...his message >follows. >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >wonder if either of you have any ideas, currently searching the web, but >no luck so far. > >Fatal server error: >could not open default font 'fixed' > >thanks for any advice > >Shane >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From faengoy at yahoo.com Mon Jun 7 14:58:44 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <20040607140308.5130873B64@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040607145844.33708.qmail@web20723.mail.yahoo.com> This is almost certainly a fontserver problem. 1) If the server previously worked, have him check his lts.conf file for the font server, and if it's set to yes, then restart XFS, or, if it's not set, make sure the fonts were uninstalled on an update. 2) If the server is new, check the TCP block on the XFS service on the server, the service itself as running, and the lts.conf file for possible problems in IP. Dan ---------Original Message------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:01:14 -0400 From: "David Trask" Subject: [K12OSN] fatal server error HELP! To: K12OSN at redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is from a colleague of mine...his LTSP server is down...his message follows. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ wonder if either of you have any ideas, currently searching the web, but no luck so far. Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' thanks for any advice Shane ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Jun 7 16:26:37 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:26:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nis,ldap,ad In-Reply-To: <20040606160021.A4C8774088@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040606160021.A4C8774088@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1086625596.5854.19.camel@phoenix> Mark, I have been using winbind to access AD, however I am in the process of migrating to accessing AD via kerberos and AD (as an LDAP server). I have successfully gotten my own system to authenticate and login using the kerberos/ldap method. I discovered the MKSADPLUGINS.msi program which installs a UNIX schema in AD... hence giving you unix UIDs, GIDS, etc. Finally found a .pdf file from Brazil that details the steps out fairly well... maybe I should just condense it into a wiki. It will require you to give each user a unix UID... which I would not want to do by hand at all... I am going to be working on a perl script this week to automate giving everyone existing a UID... and then php scripts for a secure page that I can easily add new users to AD and have the appropriate info already filled out. Also, beware that your new UIDs for users will be different probably from winbind, unless you write a script to copy the winbind uid to the uid in AD. I mainly have to worry about home directories.... so I'll just get new uids for everyone, and loop through the home directory doing something like: cd /home/ for userdir in `ls *`; do chown -R $userdir $userdir done And most of my problems will be fixed. I haven't personally decided if I want to phase AD out any time soon... but you probably could do a dump of the UNIX info in AD at a later date and move it to just plain ldap... aahh... fun with Perl.... Let me know if I can help or if you want a copy of my initialize script (giving everyone a unix UID, other info). -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: cliebow at downeast.net > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] nis,ldap,ad > Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:55:24 +0000 > > i use winbind to auth to w2k ad..osx to w2k is still broken i think.. > chuck > > I've been pouring over past threads covering all of these. I have all > > win2k servers running AD. I'm trying to migrate to LTSP/linux as easy as > > possible. As far as authentication, what would be the best route. I have > > a mix of Linux, windows 95-xp, > > OS 9-X. Authentication across the board is getting difficult. I > > eventually want to be mostly LTSP boxes. I have no choice on the macs, > > but they are mostly OS X. Words of wisdom? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Gumprecht > > Data Systems Specialist > > MSAD#3 > > Unity, Maine 04988 > > Gumprechtm at msln.net From jritchie at bible.edu Mon Jun 7 17:35:32 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:35:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nis,ldap,ad In-Reply-To: <1086625596.5854.19.camel@phoenix> References: <20040606160021.A4C8774088@hormel.redhat.com> <1086625596.5854.19.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: <1086629732.32359.231.camel@penguin> You mentioned writing this up in a wiki. I'd be interested in seeing that. :-) JSR/ On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 12:26, Henry Burroughs wrote: > Mark, > > I have been using winbind to access AD, however I am in the process of > migrating to accessing AD via kerberos and AD (as an LDAP server). I > have successfully gotten my own system to authenticate and login using > the kerberos/ldap method. I discovered the MKSADPLUGINS.msi program > which installs a UNIX schema in AD... hence giving you unix UIDs, GIDS, > etc. Finally found a .pdf file from Brazil that details the steps out > fairly well... maybe I should just condense it into a wiki. > > It will require you to give each user a unix UID... which I would not > want to do by hand at all... I am going to be working on a perl script > this week to automate giving everyone existing a UID... and then php > scripts for a secure page that I can easily add new users to AD and have > the appropriate info already filled out. > > Also, beware that your new UIDs for users will be different probably > from winbind, unless you write a script to copy the winbind uid to the > uid in AD. I mainly have to worry about home directories.... so I'll > just get new uids for everyone, and loop through the home directory > doing something like: > > cd /home/ > for userdir in `ls *`; do > chown -R $userdir $userdir > done > > And most of my problems will be fixed. > > I haven't personally decided if I want to phase AD out any time soon... > but you probably could do a dump of the UNIX info in AD at a later date > and move it to just plain ldap... aahh... fun with Perl.... > > Let me know if I can help or if you want a copy of my initialize script > (giving everyone a unix UID, other info). From lewis at pcc.com Mon Jun 7 19:48:18 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:48:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding users on multiple ltsp servers Message-ID: <9F83F310-B8BB-11D8-B6D5-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Hello all, I really don't want to have to add users to all of my (5) ltsp servers by hand, not when users already have accounts set up on the current (linux) application server. What are my best (read least steep learning curve, or only have a day to work on this) options? Thanks ---------- Lewis Holcroft System Administrator Physician's Computer Company 1 Main Street, Suite 7 Winooski, VT 05404 www.pcc.com From lewis at pcc.com Mon Jun 7 19:52:28 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:52:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync on exit Message-ID: <349F23A2-B8BC-11D8-B6D5-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> This was recently mentioned on the list but I can't find it. It was suggested that rsync on exit/logout would be a good option for my setup because it will take users a while to get between sites and rsync should be all done. The sites are connected via ISDN connections, which is why I have opted to go with multiple ltsp servers that need to be synced. Thanks Lewis From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Mon Jun 7 19:52:51 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:52:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] UDF fs support help Message-ID: <40C4C793.20506@coll-outao.qc.ca> Hi to all, I want to use the udf fs support on K12LTSP V3.1.1 but it mounts formatted UDF-CD-RW as read-only even do fstab states rw. Does anybody use this. I have been googling for docs for some time but to no avail. From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Jun 7 20:04:06 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:04:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] setting the default KDE menus In-Reply-To: <001701c44a74$05f94320$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Friday I edited a bunch of changes in the KDE menus ... moved things around in /var/lib/menu/kde ... deleted certain icons, etc. I basically took out things that did not apply to our server setup. I took out the references to fax, scanning, digital camera, games, etc. Well this Monday morning I discover that these items I had moved or deleted from the menus, and it seemed to have taken affect on Friday. They are all back again. Can someone tell me how that /var/lib/menu/kde system works. What effect do changes have here? What makes it go back to its default. Where can I change what the defaults are like? joe guenther -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:39 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] setting the default KDE menus chmod 770 for those binaries? and add a group 'gamers'... chown those binaries to 'gamers' =) maybe an easier way out there though =) definately an alternative i'm sure... although this doesn't do anything to the menus I don't think.. would just make clicking on the icon useless? me? I just chmod -x civ* =) for all those civ games in the lab.. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Joe Guenther Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:28 PM To: LTSP Subject: [K12OSN] setting the default KDE menus I have tried to set the default KDE menus ... to take off the graphics intensive games, chromium - etc. I am thinking along the line of /var/lib/menu/kde Is this the right place to make changes that will affect ALL users? Are these changes permanent? Is there some way to give certain users all the menu items and then a restricted set for others? Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Mon Jun 7 20:46:10 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:46:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE menu editing Message-ID: <40C4D412.50900@criticalcontrol.com> Hi Joe : Editing menus is done on a user per user basis. At the FSD we put 'menu control' files in place each time a user logs on. Those menu files are basically a bunch of xml's. As a result user root has the full KDE, depending what a user's primary group is a user sees a particular restricted menu. This should get you going : http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/me_k-menu.html Regards -- === Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From k12osn at collinsoft.com Mon Jun 7 21:33:02 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 vs WB3 or RHE3 and old proxy by-pass prob In-Reply-To: <40C3C8B6.4040803@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: > >This still won't stop someone from running an anonymous proxy service that > >acts as a website. I'm not familiar with circumventor at all, but I have > >seen software where you surf to the website running on a home machine, it > >asks for a url, and it sends the page to you, bypassing any filtering you > >might have done. A good example on how this works would be > >http://www.anonymizer.com/ (which should be blocked in your filtering > >software!). > > You're absolutely correct; someone can do all of that. However, it'll > show up in your logs (you are checking your logs, right? :-) ), and you > can block that site, either from within > DansGuardian/squidGuard/whatever, or on your packet filter, the same way > you block www.anonymizer.com. Not sure if you're about to block a "real" > Web site? nslookup and whois can be your friends here. > > Oh, by the way, as it shows up in the logs, you can coordinate that with > the source IP address, i. e. the client box, thus narrowing down which > school, which switch port, therefore which drop in which room, at what > time, and you have nailed that kid. I've had to do this kind of thing > many times, and we do run DHCP w/ private IP addresses, and yes, I am > successful nearly every time. Not that I'm particularly brilliant; it > just ain't that hard. ;-) I do go through the logs, but sometimes I will miss things (especially when our log files are around 100MB a week. :-) Anyway, I think we both agree technology can solve 99% of this problem, the other 1% is vigilant enforcement! -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Jun 7 21:23:20 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:23:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE menu editing In-Reply-To: <40C4D412.50900@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: Pete, I understand the editing of each individual user's menu. I had already read the very site that you referred me to, earlier this afternoon. The SuSE configuration is slightly different than the Fedora, in that they place the files in different locations. The instructions on the SuSE site do NOT work in Fedora. What I want to do is create some sort of default so that all users' menus will be changed. I cannot seem to find where / how the defaults are created. I guess I person could edit one test account and then save those .kde files to /etc/skel .... but there are so many files that change, it is difficult to determine what actually needs to be moved to skel and what just gets in the way. When playing with other kde settings, some of the files moved /etc/skel later cause conflicts. Of course your idea of group controlled "menu control files" is a great idea, but I doubt that you are free to post your work to the public. greetings joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Pete Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:46 PM To: Joe Guenther; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] KDE menu editing Hi Joe : Editing menus is done on a user per user basis. At the FSD we put 'menu control' files in place each time a user logs on. Those menu files are basically a bunch of xml's. As a result user root has the full KDE, depending what a user's primary group is a user sees a particular restricted menu. This should get you going : http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/me_k-menu.html Regards -- === Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Mon Jun 7 21:26:52 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:26:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding users on multiple ltsp servers In-Reply-To: <9F83F310-B8BB-11D8-B6D5-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <9F83F310-B8BB-11D8-B6D5-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <40C4DD9C.7090101@criticalcontrol.com> Hi Lewis : Maybe you should rethink the design of your LTSP farm a bit. What you basically want to do is copying the users across... This can be done by copying part of files like /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow. (Eventually /etc/groups etc) A script that runs at night can keep things in sync, although I believe this is an ugly solution, it can work in your environment. But how are you gonna keep the users /home directories in sync? Or is the /home a nfs mount from 1 central location? Why not putting all the auth info and /home directories on 1 box? Regards -- === Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jun 7 23:33:50 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 19:33:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tell me why this doesn't work Message-ID: Tell me why this doesn't work...one server....two nics.....one nic goes to a 192.x.x.x network which is directly connected to an LTSP server and so forth. Nic #2 is connected to the 10.x.x.x network which is predominantly Windows. /home is exported via NFS to the LTSP box. The LTSP box is set up to auth to the server in question. Server is also PDC for Windows (Samba) domain. So....what's the need for Samba/LDAP? If everything co-exists on one machine is Samba/LDAP necessary? I'm not knocking Samba/LDAP.....I'm running it and plan to keep doing so, but I'm wondering..... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From lewis at pcc.com Tue Jun 8 00:24:17 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:24:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding users on multiple ltsp servers In-Reply-To: <40C4DD9C.7090101@criticalcontrol.com> References: <9F83F310-B8BB-11D8-B6D5-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <40C4DD9C.7090101@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <2D68F979-B8E2-11D8-BFDF-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Pete, This set up is not concrete. However the bandwidth between the locations is ISDN and I can't change that for some time. The ltsp servers are going into an already functioning network and the complete roll out is based on the initial 60 days after I install the first two servers. This gives me a good amount of time to work out the kinks and make adjustments. I set up the origional network 3 years ago with RedHat 6.2 and it works like a charm. However back then all of the workstations on the network were dumb terminals with one or two Windows PC's here and there. Over time they have replaced the dumb terminals with PC's and don't have a clue on keeping them selves up to date. When we suggested LTSP they thought about it quite hard, Then they got hit with a virus and spent a week trying to fix something and then had to throw money at the problem. This put them over the edge and they wanted to give this a try. I have considered many options with this setup, but in the end I have some specific things that I want to keep the same. I can't switch to higher bandwidth connections as it is not available for all locations and where it is available the telco requires they maintain the network (for a monthly fee). Oh and they only support MS Windows. I want the end user to be able to create accounts on the existing machine and make the duplication on the ltsp servers transparent. The main reason being that I don't want the end users tweaking/breaking the ltsp server. I can script or config by hand the initial setup and rsync the files there after. We have already decided to restrict files that are synced between machines and in the name of "The Corporate Network" users will be very restricted on what products they have access to. To this end the five servers are almost identical, except they reside on different subnets for bandwidth control. This means that several of the ltsp config files need to be changed to deal with the subnet scheme I have configured. By the way thanks for the pointers on changing /etc/dhcpd.conf to accommodate specifying alternate ltsp vs dhcp servers. So I think I am somewhat limited on the options. I have opted to use my existing dhcp server (10.0.0.1) and a single NIC in each LTSP box. I have five subnets (10.0.[01234].0) and plan on adding the lstp box as 10.0.x.9 at each site. I am hoping that I can get squid to still work with this setup. Thankfully the network is for non technical adult users so they are not likely to work out how to get around that. So that's where things sit right now. It could change, but not much as I have to get this working in two days. Lewis On Jun 7, 2004, at 5:26 PM, Pete wrote: > Hi Lewis : > > Maybe you should rethink the design of your LTSP farm a bit. > What you basically want to do is copying the users across... > This can be done by copying part of files like /etc/passwd and > /etc/shadow. > (Eventually /etc/groups etc) > A script that runs at night can keep things in sync, although I > believe this > is an ugly solution, it can work in your environment. > But how are you gonna keep the users /home directories in sync? > Or is the /home a nfs mount from 1 central location? > Why not putting all the auth info and /home directories on 1 box? > > Regards > > -- > > === > > Peter Van den Wildenbergh > > CriticalControl Solutions Inc. > Bow Valley Square II > Suite 2400 > 205 - 5th avenue SW > Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 > > T 403.705.7500 > F 403.705.7555 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Tue Jun 8 00:50:52 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:50:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tell me why this doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C50D6C.7070205@chartermi.net> Another option is using webmin and using the clustering users and groups function of webmin. I have one machine that does all my files with users. That machine does a nfs share of the /home directories to another a k12ltsp 4.0.1 server. I used the clustering users & groups and transferred all users with uid's above 500 to the k12ltsp. I mounted the /home on my k12ltsp and good to go. I'll like to get openldap working myself since as you can see by my signature, I handle a bit, and with ldap in combination with samba and netatalk, I could manage and utilitize my server resources and users more effectively. Unfortunately, time isn't in my favor. Not quite an answer to your samba/ldap, but another option I guess. David Trask wrote: > Tell me why this doesn't work...one server....two nics.....one nic goes to > a 192.x.x.x network which is directly connected to an LTSP server and so > forth. Nic #2 is connected to the 10.x.x.x network which is predominantly > Windows. /home is exported via NFS to the LTSP box. The LTSP box is set > up to auth to the server in question. Server is also PDC for Windows > (Samba) domain. So....what's the need for Samba/LDAP? If everything > co-exists on one machine is Samba/LDAP necessary? I'm not knocking > Samba/LDAP.....I'm running it and plan to keep doing so, but I'm > wondering..... > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jun 8 01:05:40 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:05:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Cmap Website Contact -- Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very cool! Let me know if you'd like me to test it in a K12LTSP environment for you. :-) "CmapTools Support" writes: >Dear CmapTools User, > >Sorry for our late answer. > >We are doing some test in our lab in order to give you a workaround >before a new release of CmapTools. > >The new release of CmapTools will allow you to have DIFFERENT users >running just one instance of the program. We don't have an specific date >for the new release. > >We will contact you as soon as we have an stable solution before the >release. > >Sincerely, > >CmapSupport David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Tue Jun 8 01:22:54 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:22:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Cmap Website Contact -- Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C514EE.10706@chartermi.net> Very cool, just curious, have you looked at Freemind? It's not as slick as CmapTools, but interesting nonetheless. http://freemind.sourceforge.net/ David Trask wrote: > Very cool! Let me know if you'd like me to test it in a K12LTSP > environment for you. :-) > > "CmapTools Support" writes: > >> Dear CmapTools User, >> >> Sorry for our late answer. >> >> We are doing some test in our lab in order to give you a workaround >> before a new release of CmapTools. >> >> The new release of CmapTools will allow you to have DIFFERENT users >> running just one instance of the program. We don't have an >> specific date for the new release. >> >> We will contact you as soon as we have an stable solution before >> the release. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> CmapSupport -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Jun 8 07:52:23 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (sysadmin) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:52:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE menu editing In-Reply-To: References: <40C4D412.50900@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20040608083510.023f6d28@pop.bgfl.org> At 22:23 07/06/2004, you wrote: > What I want to do is create some sort of default so that all users' menus >will be changed. I cannot seem to find where / how the defaults are >created. I guess I person could edit one test account and then save those >.kde files to /etc/skel .... but there are so many files that change, it is >difficult to determine what actually needs to be moved to skel and what just >gets in the way. When playing with other kde settings, some of the files >moved /etc/skel later cause conflicts. I setup one user with all the desktop and menu settings that I want the other users to have (ie one user is setup to become the defaults for the others). I then copy to /etc/skel the directories .kde, .opera, .mozilla and .phoenix; we give the users a choice of four web browers but unless you have opera, mozilla or firefox installed, you can ignore the browser stuff. In both the .mozilla and .phoenix dirs you need to remove appreg. When a new user is created, the menu and desktop settings are replicated. One extra thing that you must do when the new user is created is need to set the correct path in pref.js (.mozilla and .phoenix in the new users home dir), which is easy with a bit of sed. I know the way that I treat mozilla & firefox is not the recommended method but the "approved" method is far to fiddley. I've used this method on both RH9 & Fedora 1 successfully and while it works for me, YMMV. Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From les at futuresource.com Tue Jun 8 13:36:11 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:36:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tell me why this doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086701771.3024.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 18:33, David Trask wrote: > Tell me why this doesn't work...one server....two nics.....one nic goes to > a 192.x.x.x network which is directly connected to an LTSP server and so > forth. Nic #2 is connected to the 10.x.x.x network which is predominantly > Windows. /home is exported via NFS to the LTSP box. The LTSP box is set > up to auth to the server in question. Server is also PDC for Windows > (Samba) domain. So....what's the need for Samba/LDAP? If everything > co-exists on one machine is Samba/LDAP necessary? I'm not knocking > Samba/LDAP.....I'm running it and plan to keep doing so, but I'm > wondering..... If you have more than one server involved (ltsp and /homes) you need to create the accounts on both with smb authentication although you only have to maintain the password on the authentication server. I think you could add NIS to the mix to export the unix account info from the master and still use smb authentication, or winbind if the master is a windows PDC. I'm still waiting for someone to package LDAP with a good management tool and the right schemas for Posix/Samba accounts and email delivery. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jun 8 15:03:37 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:03:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tell me why this doesn't work In-Reply-To: <1086701771.3024.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1086701771.3024.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: > I think you could add NIS to the >mix to export the unix account info from the master and >still use smb authentication, or winbind if the master >is a windows PDC. anyone know of some good how-to's for NIS and winbind? Just exploring David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com Tue Jun 8 15:10:36 2004 From: Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com (Karolow, Mike [ITS]) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:10:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "Guest" accounts Message-ID: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A2EB63E@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Good morning, This is my first question to the group, so please bear with me. I'm mostly looking for someone to point me in the right direction, I'm not afraid to do the leg work, but Google hasn't helped me too much. I'm creating a small network for a multi-age lab that will be used by kids from K through 6. Once I set the network up, they'll be no one on staff to assist with administration. The older kids and the faculty could make use of personalized accounts, but many of them could just use a generic "Guest" account, that doesn't have the ability to save configuration and allows multiple logins with the same generic username/password (or no password). Is such a setup recommended or even possible? Thanks. _____ Mike Karolow Sprint ITS 300 Unicorn Park Drive, 4th Floor Woburn, Ma 01801 Mobile: 781.367.5279 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patmo98 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 8 15:20:36 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:20:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE menu editing In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.1.20040608083510.023f6d28@pop.bgfl.org> References: <40C4D412.50900@criticalcontrol.com> <6.0.3.0.1.20040608083510.023f6d28@pop.bgfl.org> Message-ID: <40C5D944.1090800@yahoo.com> sysadmin wrote: > I setup one user with all the desktop and menu settings that I want the > other users to have (ie one user is setup to become the defaults for the > others). I then copy to /etc/skel the directories .kde, .opera, .mozilla > and .phoenix; we give the users a choice of four web browers but > unless you > have opera, mozilla or firefox installed, you can ignore the browser > stuff. In both the .mozilla and .phoenix dirs you need to remove > appreg. When a new user is created, the menu and desktop settings are > replicated. One extra thing that you must do when the new user is created > is need to set the correct path in pref.js (.mozilla and .phoenix in the > new users home dir), which is easy with a bit of sed. I know the way > that > I treat mozilla & firefox is not the recommended method but the > "approved" > method is far to fiddley. > > > > I've used this method on both RH9 & Fedora 1 successfully and while it > works for me, YMMV. > > Regards > > Martin Woolley > > ICT Support > > Handsworth Grammar School > > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > > Would you please post the sed script? I think that several people could benefit from it. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jun 8 15:23:14 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:23:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] "Guest" accounts In-Reply-To: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A2EB63E@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Message-ID: For the general use accounts, set up accounts based on the computer not user. This way, when they sit down at computer #4 for instance, the login would be computer4 and whatever password you set. Make all the general accounts use the same password. Then the ones that have their own personal account, can use their own login. If there's 20 computer in the lab, the usernames would be computer1 computer2 computer3 and etc and you could use a simple password like ComputerLab! (caps and ! included for cracking avoidance.) Then you mark the general usernames and passwords on the from of the computer. This way, no matter who sits down there, they can use the computer, including the ones with their own account. DS On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: > Good morning, > > > > This is my first question to the group, so please bear with me. I'm > mostly looking for someone to point me in the right direction, I'm not > afraid to do the leg work, but Google hasn't helped me too much. > > > > I'm creating a small network for a multi-age lab that will be used by > kids from K through 6. Once I set the network up, they'll be no one on > staff to assist with administration. The older kids and the faculty > could make use of personalized accounts, but many of them could just use > a generic "Guest" account, that doesn't have the ability to save > configuration and allows multiple logins with the same generic > username/password (or no password). Is such a setup recommended or even > possible? Thanks. > > > > _____ > > > > Mike Karolow > Sprint ITS > 300 Unicorn Park Drive, 4th Floor > Woburn, Ma 01801 > > Mobile: 781.367.5279 > > > > > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From roger at efn.org Tue Jun 8 15:42:32 2004 From: roger at efn.org (Roger) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:42:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "Guest" accounts In-Reply-To: ; from simpsond@leopards.k12.ar.us on Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 10:23:14AM -0500 References: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A2EB63E@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Message-ID: <20040608084232.A13015@efn.org> Around Tue,Jun 08 2004, at 10:23, Doug Simpson, wrote: >For the general use accounts, set up accounts based on the computer not >user. This way, when they sit down at computer #4 for instance, the login >would be computer4 and whatever password you set. Make all the general >accounts use the same password. Then the ones that have their own >personal account, can use their own login. > >If there's 20 computer in the lab, the usernames would be computer1 >computer2 computer3 and etc and you could use a simple password like >ComputerLab! (caps and ! included for cracking avoidance.) > >Then you mark the general usernames and passwords on the from of the >computer. This way, no matter who sits down there, they can use the >computer, including the ones with their own account. We use 'orange','apple','strawberry',.... No password. just enter the fruit,then enter. -- Roger --------------------------------------------------------------------------- roger at efn.org Bombeck's Rule of Medicine: Never go to a doctor whose office plants have died. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 8 16:23:40 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:23:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Real-Time Virus Removal Message-ID: <002c01c44d74$f8a89780$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Does anyone know how to configure ClamAV to perform real-time virus removal? I have ClamAV installed and working with Postfix and the virus removal there works fine. If I run # clamscan /home it will report any infected files but doesn't remove them. I have installed Dazuko and the /etc/clamav.conf has the settings for Clamuko uncommented, as far as I understood that should do it. But I copy the test Eicar.zip file over (through Samba) and nothing happens. Is there any other way to test the ClamAV-Clamuko-Dazuko setup to be sure they are working together? I have also seen stuff about samba-vscan and am not sure if I need that in order for the detection of viruses from a Windows machine. Basically this is a file server for Macintosh and Windows clients and as users put files on the server shares I want them immediately scanned for viruses. This server will also be accessed from users home machines so I want to be sure they don't corrupt our network. Also if anyone knows of a way to notify a user that they attempted to place an infected file on the server that would be awesome. This machine is also the email server for the same user base that is accessing it as a file server. If there was a way to write a script that looked at the username of the person who tried to upload the infected file and sent a email notification to them (or directly injected the message into their local mailbox) with the virus name and the name of the infected file that would be awesome. Thanks From haysja at sages.us Tue Jun 8 16:25:13 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:25:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "Guest" accounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C5E869.8080606@sages.us> We use something like this. The username is the same as the computer name. Edit the /etc/passwd file to take the "x" out of the password field. Doug Simpson wrote: >For the general use accounts, set up accounts based on the computer not >user. This way, when they sit down at computer #4 for instance, the login >would be computer4 and whatever password you set. Make all the general >accounts use the same password. Then the ones that have their own >personal account, can use their own login. > >If there's 20 computer in the lab, the usernames would be computer1 >computer2 computer3 and etc and you could use a simple password like >ComputerLab! (caps and ! included for cracking avoidance.) > >Then you mark the general usernames and passwords on the from of the >computer. This way, no matter who sits down there, they can use the >computer, including the ones with their own account. > >DS > >On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: > > > >>Good morning, >> >> >> >>This is my first question to the group, so please bear with me. I'm >>mostly looking for someone to point me in the right direction, I'm not >>afraid to do the leg work, but Google hasn't helped me too much. >> >> >> >>I'm creating a small network for a multi-age lab that will be used by >>kids from K through 6. Once I set the network up, they'll be no one on >>staff to assist with administration. The older kids and the faculty >>could make use of personalized accounts, but many of them could just use >>a generic "Guest" account, that doesn't have the ability to save >>configuration and allows multiple logins with the same generic >>username/password (or no password). Is such a setup recommended or even >>possible? Thanks. >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> >> >>Mike Karolow >>Sprint ITS >>300 Unicorn Park Drive, 4th Floor >>Woburn, Ma 01801 >> >>Mobile: 781.367.5279 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Jun 8 16:44:28 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:44:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "Guest" accounts In-Reply-To: <20040608160036.A3F3074AD8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040608160036.A3F3074AD8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40C5ECEC.4060003@saskforestcentre.ca> > > > Around Tue,Jun 08 2004, at 10:23, Doug Simpson, wrote: > >>>For the general use accounts, set up accounts based on the computer not >>>user. This way, when they sit down at computer #4 for instance, the login >>>would be computer4 and whatever password you set. Make all the general >>>accounts use the same password. Then the ones that have their own >>>personal account, can use their own login. >>> >>>If there's 20 computer in the lab, the usernames would be computer1 >>>computer2 computer3 and etc and you could use a simple password like >>>ComputerLab! (caps and ! included for cracking avoidance.) >>> >>>Then you mark the general usernames and passwords on the from of the >>>computer. This way, no matter who sits down there, they can use the >>>computer, including the ones with their own account. >> >> >We use 'orange','apple','strawberry',.... > >No password. just enter the fruit,then enter. > > > If you are working with the young, then you could then put a picture at the terminal of the fruit (or jungle animal) and match the picture with user pictures provided by the login manager (kdm does this. I think gdm does too...). Then you can skip the students having to remember how to spell "passionfruit"... Always a problem for my kids ;-). Angus Carr. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jun 8 18:29:12 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:29:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Woo-Hoo! It works! Message-ID: YaaaaaaaaaaaHooooooooooo! That was the sound emanating from a remote corner of the VCS library where I was sitting at a test machine (Windows XP) joining the machine to the domain and then successfully logging on thereby retreiving a roaming profile. Now why is this so exciting? After all joining a domain and so forth is no big deal. However, it is if you are doing it for the first time with cutting (bleeding) edge stuff. Up until now I've been running Samba 2.27a on RedHat 9. I've wanted to upgrade to Samba 3 for quite some time, but the change from 2.2x to 3.0.x has been similar to the change from Jaguar to Panther in the Mac OS X world. It had changed just enough to completely screw up nearly everything I had developed (documented) up to then. In case you're wondering...the cool thing about Samba/LDAP is centralized authentication for all platforms....my users all have one username and home directory regardless of what machine, subnet, or platform. After wiping my test server nearly 20 times (I screw up a lot) I finally got it to work. I had gotten very close, but no cigar....and then today....a breakthrough! I finally figured out the monumentally stupid mistake I kept repeating over and over. The good news? I now have a Samba 3 /LDAP server working on Fedora Core 2 (essentially RedHat 11) using Samba 3.03-5. I was so excited I started dancing around the room while astonished 7th graders looked on (and eventually joined in). I even high-fived the librarian. The self-induced time sucking vortex that I was going to deal with this summer has suddenly become strangely quiet. I see a few weeks of vacation coming into focus. I see servers being completely redone and readied for the fall within days of school ending next Wednesday. This is so very cool! Now I'm going to document it and make copies of my configs to share with the folks at the Gould Linux Seminar in two weeks! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Tue Jun 8 18:42:54 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:42:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Woo-Hoo! It works! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406081942.59816.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >This is so very cool! Now I'm going to document it and make > copies of my configs to share with the folks at the Gould Linux Seminar in > two weeks! It would be great if you could write your mistakes and journeys up for us to benefit from :-) I can mark it up in Docbook XML if you need me to? - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAxgiyeWseh9tzvqgRAtvlAKCiFSF0wHsqxENQa0uFsmK0GdJxnwCeNzc9 wmIJ9IqNfFrYfz4yqPwDEgI= =RTo0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mross at esd165.org Tue Jun 8 19:14:41 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:14:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Woo-Hoo! It works! In-Reply-To: <200406081942.59816.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <200406081942.59816.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <40C61021.5020100@esd165.org> I'd agree that having the info on how to make all platforms (Windows, Linux and MacOS X) have a single-sign on and a common home directory or share would be a great benifit. Now if only we could get a distrobution, or a package, which does this without to much trouble. Just imagine: Install this package on your server, point your machines to it in order to log in, and you have a single-sign-on server! Wouldn't that be grand? *sigh* I'll be reading your documentation when you finish it, I'm sure. Glad to hear you're successful. --Matt Gavin Henry wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > > >>This is so very cool! Now I'm going to document it and make >>copies of my configs to share with the folks at the Gould Linux Seminar in >>two weeks! >> >> > >It would be great if you could write your mistakes and journeys up for us to >benefit from :-) > >I can mark it up in Docbook XML if you need me to? > > >- -- >Kind Regards, > >Gavin Henry. >Managing Director. > >T +44 (0) 1224 587369 >M +44 (0) 7930 323266 >F +44 (0) 1224 742001 >E ghenry at suretecsystems.com > >Open Source. Open Solutions. > >http://www.suretecsystems.com/ >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFAxgiyeWseh9tzvqgRAtvlAKCiFSF0wHsqxENQa0uFsmK0GdJxnwCeNzc9 >wmIJ9IqNfFrYfz4yqPwDEgI= >=RTo0 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Tue Jun 8 20:30:09 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:30:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Woo-Hoo! It works! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Congrats! That?s Awesome! - jamie On 6/8/04 11:29 AM, "David Trask" wrote: > YaaaaaaaaaaaHooooooooooo! > > That was the sound emanating from a remote corner of the VCS library where > I was sitting at a test machine (Windows XP) joining the machine to the > domain and then successfully logging on thereby retreiving a roaming > profile. > > Now why is this so exciting? After all joining a domain and so forth is > no big deal. However, it is if you are doing it for the first time with > cutting (bleeding) edge stuff. Up until now I've been running Samba 2.27a > on RedHat 9. I've wanted to upgrade to Samba 3 for quite some time, but > the change from 2.2x to 3.0.x has been similar to the change from Jaguar > to Panther in the Mac OS X world. It had changed just enough to > completely screw up nearly everything I had developed (documented) up to > then. In case you're wondering...the cool thing about Samba/LDAP is > centralized authentication for all platforms....my users all have one > username and home directory regardless of what machine, subnet, or > platform. > > After wiping my test server nearly 20 times (I screw up a lot) I finally > got it to work. I had gotten very close, but no cigar....and then > today....a breakthrough! I finally figured out the monumentally stupid > mistake I kept repeating over and over. The good news? I now have a > Samba 3 /LDAP server working on Fedora Core 2 (essentially RedHat 11) > using Samba 3.03-5. I was so excited I started dancing around the room > while astonished 7th graders looked on (and eventually joined in). I even > high-fived the librarian. The self-induced time sucking vortex that I was > going to deal with this summer has suddenly become strangely quiet. I see > a few weeks of vacation coming into focus. I see servers being completely > redone and readied for the fall within days of school ending next > Wednesday. This is so very cool! Now I'm going to document it and make > copies of my configs to share with the folks at the Gould Linux Seminar in > two weeks! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Tue Jun 8 21:31:23 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:31:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Woo-Hoo! It works! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C6302B.2010308@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> David Trask wrote: >YaaaaaaaaaaaHooooooooooo! > > Way to go David! I've started down that road myself, and have spent a lot of time reading your notes along the way as well as the responses. Since it is my goal to replace our NT4 domain structure this summer with Samba-3 and LDAP, I'm very much looking forward to seeing your write-up. In the meantime, if you wanted to make a .tgz of your conf files (suitably cleaned of passwords, of course) available to us, it could sure help kickstart my project at the very least :) Congrats again! -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jun 8 21:42:33 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:42:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... Message-ID: <40C632C9.8080505@inlandlakes.org> Man I love this list. That said -- is there a Bulletin Board set up somewhere that we all should frequent? If not, could there be? If there were some subject specific topic areas, I know that *I* would be able to better help folks. I'd even have my own section, the "Terribly off-topic yet mildly amusing as long as it's not Monday" section... ;o) There could be a, "New Version Announcement" section, so Eric wouldn't have to reiterate what version, what timeframe, etc... It would have a little overlap with the wiki, I know -- but interactive conversation is nice. Just a thought. Anyone else's opinion? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jun 8 22:02:31 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:02:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Woo-Hoo! It works! In-Reply-To: <40C6302B.2010308@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <40C6302B.2010308@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: > I'm very much looking forward to seeing your write-up. In the meantime, >if you wanted to make a .tgz of your conf files (suitably cleaned of >passwords, of course) available to us, it could sure help kickstart my >project at the very least :) Certainly...I will as soon as I dupe my success today and get the doc done....hopefully tomorrow. I've made copies of all my current configs for myself and uploaded them to FTP for my own use as well. Came in very handy last fall when I had to redo my current Samba/LDAP server after making the mistake of letting my Samba logs run wild and fill up my root partition to the point where my machine went nuts. I was able to reload with my saved configs and didn't lose a thing since I was able to copy the home dirs via NFS. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mross at esd165.org Tue Jun 8 23:56:56 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:56:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <40C632C9.8080505@inlandlakes.org> References: <40C632C9.8080505@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40C65248.5000509@esd165.org> Wiki is wonderful. I'm all for a wiki page for the common questions asked on this list. Doesn't K12LTSP already have a Wiki? Can't we just make a new section there? --Matt Shawn Powers wrote: > Man I love this list. That said -- is there a Bulletin Board set up > somewhere that we all should frequent? If not, could there be? If > there were some subject specific topic areas, I know that *I* would be > able to better help folks. > > I'd even have my own section, the "Terribly off-topic yet mildly > amusing as long as it's not Monday" section... ;o) > > There could be a, "New Version Announcement" section, so Eric wouldn't > have to reiterate what version, what timeframe, etc... > > It would have a little overlap with the wiki, I know -- but > interactive conversation is nice. Just a thought. Anyone else's > opinion? > > -Shawn > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 9 00:23:38 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:23:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <40C65248.5000509@esd165.org> References: <40C632C9.8080505@inlandlakes.org> <40C65248.5000509@esd165.org> Message-ID: <40C6588A.9040501@inlandlakes.org> Matthew Ross wrote: > Doesn't K12LTSP already have a Wiki? Yes -- I meant in addition to the wiki. Something like http://www.phpbb.com/ so there could be some interactive communication. I could be offbase, maybe the threads would get added so quick you couldn't keep up with the forum format either, I dunno. It was just a thought. Wikis are great for documentation, I was just thinking that perhaps a forum/bulletin board format might scale better. Topics and threads would be kept together, etc. I just don't know if folks would be willing to move these discussions there. I certainly wouldn't want DOUBLE the effort to keep up with discussions! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 9 00:25:20 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:25:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <40C6588A.9040501@inlandlakes.org> References: <40C632C9.8080505@inlandlakes.org> <40C65248.5000509@esd165.org> <40C6588A.9040501@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40C658F0.1040202@inlandlakes.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > forum/bulletin board format might scale better. I meant "scale better than the email list" -- sorry for that, it was confusing when I read my own post. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Jun 9 00:44:19 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:44:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What am I missing Message-ID: <40C65D63.3020305@elp.rr.com> I am trying to get the sound in my dumpster terminals to work. The server is using an AMD Athalon 1gig with 1gig of RAM. The onboard sound chip is an AC-97 which works great in all modes. I am running K12LTSP 4.0.1 The terminal has an AMD K6-2 400 with 256 Meg of Ram and a Sound Blaster CT4810 PCI card. When I try to use the mixer in the terminal I get the message about permissions which I have checked and did have to change. The message also suggested that something was either not turned on or wasn't installed. If that is the case I don't know what it is or where to find it. The XMMS (WinAmp) program opens and I can access the audio files and they appear to play but I can't hear them. I can see the audio files on a CD with GRIP again they appear to play but I can't her them. The sound card came out of a Windows machine where it was working so I believe the card is good. I looked at the things for activating sound in the lts.conf file but I left it as it was especially since I'm using a PCI card not an ISA card. What do I need to look at and do to make things work properly. Any and all help and guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Bye Pat From robark at telus.net Wed Jun 9 00:45:01 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:45:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] disable Network Servers menu item Message-ID: <200406081745.01896.robark@telus.net> Any way to disable "Network Servers" menu item under gnome k12ltsp 3.1.2. Might make network admin techs nervous. I thought of disabling Samba but I didn't know how. Plus don't I need Samba for authentication at login? I have just a standard installation. Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary From robark at telus.net Wed Jun 9 00:50:09 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:50:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] floppy access "permission denied" Message-ID: <200406081750.09166.robark@telus.net> My students can download/upload to their floppies with icon as I have enabled floppy access in lts.conf. But after a few reads or writes the floppies can't be accessed anymore. It says "permission denied. Authentication failed" and they can no longer access the floppy. But if they go to another client it works again for 1 transfer and then the same problem. What's going on here? Anyone else experience this with 3.1.2? Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Jun 9 01:08:41 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:08:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <40C6588A.9040501@inlandlakes.org> References: <40C632C9.8080505@inlandlakes.org> <40C65248.5000509@esd165.org> <40C6588A.9040501@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1271.66.138.175.65.1086743321.squirrel@66.138.175.65> Shawn Powers said: > Yes -- I meant in addition to the wiki. Something like > http://www.phpbb.com/ so there could be some interactive communication. Funny you guys should bring this up. We have s State of Arkansas K12 listserv and recently we've put phpbb on a server and have been using it as well. The good thing about forum style is you can go through and just participate in the topics you want. With phpbb you can even do things like have it email you when a topic your interested in has been posted to. The problems however...seems to be that the listserv system and the forum system both have their highpoints. Some people prefer the listserv...some prefer the forums. Then you end up splitting the crowd and both styles start to suffer a little. What I think would be cool...is if there was a way to get both the listserv and the forum style to share a database. That way all users would have a choice of forum style or listserv and all users would be contributing back into one large community. Am I making any sense? -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From raven_512 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 9 01:40:39 2004 From: raven_512 at hotmail.com (Noel Corbett) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:40:39 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Woo-Hoo! It works! Message-ID: Well Done... My favourite part was the bit about documentation.. look forward to reading it Cheers Noel _________________________________________________________________ Check out news, entertainment and more @ http://xtra.co.nz/broadband From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 9 01:46:46 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:46:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <1271.66.138.175.65.1086743321.squirrel@66.138.175.65> References: <40C632C9.8080505@inlandlakes.org> <40C65248.5000509@esd165.org> <40C6588A.9040501@inlandlakes.org> <1271.66.138.175.65.1086743321.squirrel@66.138.175.65> Message-ID: <40C66C06.4090808@inlandlakes.org> Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Am I making any sense? Yes -- that was exactly the concern I had. I can't keep up with BOTH a listserv AND an forum -- but I think the forum scales better. I figured the "crowd split" though, and that's not what we want. Thanks for testing my idea for me. ;o) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Jun 9 01:50:15 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:50:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <40C66C06.4090808@inlandlakes.org> References: <40C632C9.8080505@inlandlakes.org> <40C65248.5000509@esd165.org> <40C6588A.9040501@inlandlakes.org> <1271.66.138.175.65.1086743321.squirrel@66.138.175.65> <40C66C06.4090808@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1465.66.138.175.65.1086745815.squirrel@66.138.175.65> Hey....check out: http://m2f.sourceforge.net -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From ssantos at sprynet.com Wed Jun 9 02:15:40 2004 From: ssantos at sprynet.com (ssantos at sprynet.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:15:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <20040609014052.95C6B73B44@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000901c44dc7$a9bbe2f0$6401a8c0@SS> > The problems however...seems to be that the listserv system and the forum > system both have their highpoints. Some people prefer the listserv...some > prefer the forums. Then you end up splitting the crowd and both styles > start to suffer a little. What I think would be cool...is if there was a > way to get both the listserv and the forum style to share a database. > That way all users would have a choice of forum style or listserv and all > users would be contributing back into one large community. > > Am I making any sense? > -- > Caleb Wagnon So, something like this? http://m2f.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=398 Then you can add something like this, and get Usenet access too: http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1085862 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Email : Steven at StevenSantos.com Web : www.CircusNews.com Postal: PO Box 620753 Newton, Ma. 02462 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 9 02:35:16 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:35:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What am I missing In-Reply-To: <40C65D63.3020305@elp.rr.com> References: <40C65D63.3020305@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: Need lots more info....first...server sound card is a non-issue. Second...are you trying to run in Gnome, KDE, or IceWM? Have you enabled sound in the lts.conf? Have you uncommented the line for Sound Blaster cards in the same place? "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I am trying to get the sound in my dumpster terminals to work. >The server is using an AMD Athalon 1gig with 1gig of RAM. The onboard >sound chip is an AC-97 which works great in all modes. >I am running K12LTSP 4.0.1 >The terminal has an AMD K6-2 400 with 256 Meg of Ram and a Sound Blaster >CT4810 PCI card. When I try to use the mixer in the terminal I get the >message about permissions which I have checked and did have to change. >The message also suggested that something was either not turned on or >wasn't installed. If that is the case I don't know what it is or where >to find it. The XMMS (WinAmp) program opens and I can access the audio >files and they appear to play but I can't hear them. I can see the >audio files on a CD with GRIP again they appear to play but I can't her >them. The sound card came out of a Windows machine where it was working >so I believe the card is good. >I looked at the things for activating sound in the lts.conf file but I >left it as it was especially since I'm using a PCI card not an ISA card. >What do I need to look at and do to make things work properly. Any and >all help and guidance would be greatly appreciated. >Thanks >Bye >Pat David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Jun 9 03:44:02 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:44:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <000901c44dc7$a9bbe2f0$6401a8c0@SS> References: <20040609014052.95C6B73B44@hormel.redhat.com> <000901c44dc7$a9bbe2f0$6401a8c0@SS> Message-ID: <1871.66.138.175.88.1086752642.squirrel@66.138.175.88> ssantos at sprynet.com said: > So, something like this? > http://m2f.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=398 Yeah...I've been playin' with it but can't get it workin with the newer phpbb's. It breaks everything... -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From john at coronet.co.uk Wed Jun 9 10:56:18 2004 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:56:18 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Interesting... this issue just came up for me, too. I've been running www.schoolforge.org.uk for a year now, which started life as a Wiki and is now a PostNuke site. Over that time, from various email lists, I've accumulated lots of messages with really useful information in them, but never managed to develop them into Wiki pages. Our Schoolforge-UK Wiki seems quite slow to develop, and when a useful page does get added, sometimes it's a problem to separate out the content from the discussion that's inserted on the page. I notice the Wikipedia does this better by means of separate link to "discuss this page". In an ideal world, you could then be notified of discussion posts by email, and even use email to post back to the discussion. So I've been looking for a forum package that integrates with email lists, and FUDforum seems to meet the bill. If so, it could turn a mailing list into an easily searchable, up-to-date archive, to which you can post either by email or web access. All we need then is a single point of registration for the wiki+forum, to create what seems to be the ideal collaboration tool. If anyone is interested in pursuing this, please get in touch. Best wishes, John Ingleby ************ Webmaster - www.schoolforge.org.uk > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:23:38 -0400 > From: Shawn Powers > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <40C6588A.9040501 at inlandlakes.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Matthew Ross wrote: > > Doesn't K12LTSP already have a Wiki? > > Yes -- I meant in addition to the wiki. Something like > http://www.phpbb.com/ so there could be some interactive communication. > > I could be offbase, maybe the threads would get added so quick you > couldn't keep up with the forum format either, I dunno. It was just a > thought. > > Wikis are great for documentation, I was just thinking that perhaps a > forum/bulletin board format might scale better. Topics and threads > would be kept together, etc. I just don't know if folks would be > willing to move these discussions there. I certainly wouldn't want > DOUBLE the effort to keep up with discussions! > > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Jun 9 12:06:08 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 09 Jun 2004 20:06:08 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> References: <20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.com> <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Message-ID: <1086782770.1174.434.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 18:56, John Ingleby wrote: > Interesting... this issue just came up for me, too. I've been running > www.schoolforge.org.uk for a year now, which started life as a Wiki and > is now a PostNuke site. Over that time, from various email lists, I've > accumulated lots of messages with really useful information in them, but > never managed to develop them into Wiki pages. > -snip- > So I've been looking for a forum package that integrates with email > lists, and FUDforum seems to meet the bill. If so, it could turn a > mailing list into an easily searchable, up-to-date archive, to which you > can post either by email or web access. -snip- I'm going to contribute to this discussion, not because I have a great deal of knowledge in this area, simply because I have an interest in knowledge systems ... and I'm an opinionated bore ;-) I've got a lot out of this list over the past 18mnths simply because it _IS_ so diverse. Someone's OT message may spark my interest and I'll look at a web site or three that would never have come to my attention before. Restrict this list to specific topic groupings and I would never have that exposure because I have too much to read already and so little time. On the other hand, force me to look at something and I usually go "Oh yeh, that's got to be useful" or I just skip over it. As for the vexed question of accessing all that unstructured and (seemingly) disparate information, then all I can do is repeat that well-worn phrase, "Google is your friend". I've actually ended up subscribing to lists that I've never heard of after a web search led to an answer on a mailing list. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 9 12:21:50 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 08:21:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <1086782770.1174.434.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.com> < > <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <1086782770.1174.434.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: I happen to agree...I'm worried that in a forum we'll lose a little of that sense of community. I used a mail client (FirstClass) that allows me to sort all these messages into a folder. I have a folder on my email desktop called K12OS and in that is all of the messages from this list grouped by thread going from last modified to oldest. I too often just read for the sake of reading and I have come up with some great ideas as a result of other people's posts. I may not have the problem initially, but it may come up and I know who to talk to in the future. For example: I've been on here long enough to know that if I have a Compaq machine with a problem....I need to get in touch with Bert Roylston....or if it's E-Smith/SME....many people come to mind like Les Mikesell.....if it's netbooting or etherbooting Macs.....Chuck Leibow or Shawn Powers spring to mind....and so forth. I get this not so much because I need it, but I'm able to glean that info from reading the list. A forum might allow me to "skip" too much and I'd lose out on lots of info. I just make some time at various points during the day to peruse the subject lines and read a few messages...if I see a topic has gone nowhere for the most part I move on. That's just my $.02 However, if I were going to a forum....I might take a look at Phorum. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >> So I've been looking for a forum package that integrates with email >> lists, and FUDforum seems to meet the bill. If so, it could turn a >> mailing list into an easily searchable, up-to-date archive, to which you >> can post either by email or web access. >-snip- > >I'm going to contribute to this discussion, not because I have a great >deal of knowledge in this area, simply because I have an interest in >knowledge systems ... and I'm an opinionated bore ;-) > >I've got a lot out of this list over the past 18mnths simply because it >_IS_ so diverse. Someone's OT message may spark my interest and I'll >look at a web site or three that would never have come to my attention >before. Restrict this list to specific topic groupings and I would >never have that exposure because I have too much to read already and so >little time. On the other hand, force me to look at something and I >usually go "Oh yeh, that's got to be useful" or I just skip over it. As >for the vexed question of accessing all that unstructured and >(seemingly) disparate information, then all I can do is repeat that >well-worn phrase, "Google is your friend". I've actually ended up >subscribing to lists that I've never heard of after a web search led to >an answer on a mailing list. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sjsj at freespace.net Wed Jun 9 12:46:30 2004 From: sjsj at freespace.net (Steve) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:46:30 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <1086782770.1174.434.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.com> <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <1086782770.1174.434.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <40C706A6.40308@freespace.net> Gavin Chester wrote: > I'm going to contribute to this discussion, not because I have a great > deal of knowledge in this area, simply because I have an interest in > knowledge systems ... and I'm an opinionated bore ;-) > > I've got a lot out of this list over the past 18mnths simply because it > _IS_ so diverse. Someone's OT message may spark my interest and I'll > look at a web site or three that would never have come to my attention > before. Restrict this list to specific topic groupings and I would > never have that exposure because I have too much to read already and so > little time. On the other hand, force me to look at something and I > usually go "Oh yeh, that's got to be useful" or I just skip over it. As > for the vexed question of accessing all that unstructured and > (seemingly) disparate information, then all I can do is repeat that > well-worn phrase, "Google is your friend". I've actually ended up > subscribing to lists that I've never heard of after a web search led to > an answer on a mailing list. > Ditto Steve From trondrm at online.no Wed Jun 9 12:49:04 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond Ruud Maehlum) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:49:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Add users from file Message-ID: <30988057.1086785344975.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice11.nsc.no> Does someone know of a script which takes names from a file and automakes username? I have a file with 300 names like so: John,Smith I want the script to go through the list and output another file like so: John Smith,johsm (for example)... Alternatively an output which can be fed into the adduser batch in webmin. Anybody seed something like this? Regards Trond M?hlum From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Jun 9 13:25:01 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] What am I missing Message-ID: <11277408.1086787502093.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> >On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:35:16 -0400 David Trask wrote. I am using Gnome and I have turned on the three lines in the lts.conf file that deal with sound because I have a mixture of sound cards in all of my terminals. None of them work, I'm just starting with the SB cards. I did not find a specific line or mention for sound blaster cards From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jun 9 14:01:51 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:01:51 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Add users from file Message-ID: <200406091247.i59ClD323192@downeast.net> here is a little piece of script you can adapt 2004.csv the script reads Brian,Austin,2004,Pa55word,baustin Colin,Barry,2004,Pa55word,cbarry Matthew,Becker,2004,Pa55word,mbecker Nicole,Bickford,2004,Pa55word,nbickfor ################################################################ ################################################# cat 2004.csv | while read line; do first=$(echo $line | cut -f1 -d ',') last=$(echo $line | cut -f2 -d ',') year=$(echo $line | cut -f3 -d ',') password=$(echo $line | cut -f4 -d ',') name=$(echo $line | cut -f5 -d ',') stustaff=$(echo $line | cut -f6 -d ',') #ADD Students OR Staff TO CSV > Does someone know of a script which takes names from a file and automakes u> sername? > > I have a file with 300 names like so: > > John,Smith > > I want the script to go through the list and output another file like so: > > John Smith,johsm (for example)... Alternatively an output which can be fed > into the adduser batch in webmin. > > Anybody seed something like this? > > Regards > Trond M?hlum > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed Jun 9 14:03:54 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:03:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Add users from file Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B71@ILFGEXC> No need to bother, the addusers command takes care of this as far as I know! I know the man pages said something about adding multiple users from a textfile check it out! Daniel -----Original Message----- From: cliebow at downeast.net [mailto:cliebow at downeast.net] Sent: 09 June 2004 15:02 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Add users from file here is a little piece of script you can adapt 2004.csv the script reads Brian,Austin,2004,Pa55word,baustin Colin,Barry,2004,Pa55word,cbarry Matthew,Becker,2004,Pa55word,mbecker Nicole,Bickford,2004,Pa55word,nbickfor ################################################################ ################################################# cat 2004.csv | while read line; do first=$(echo $line | cut -f1 -d ',') last=$(echo $line | cut -f2 -d ',') year=$(echo $line | cut -f3 -d ',') password=$(echo $line | cut -f4 -d ',') name=$(echo $line | cut -f5 -d ',') stustaff=$(echo $line | cut -f6 -d ',') #ADD Students OR Staff TO CSV > Does someone know of a script which takes names from a file and automakes u> sername? > > I have a file with 300 names like so: > > John,Smith > > I want the script to go through the list and output another file like so: > > John Smith,johsm (for example)... Alternatively an output which can be fed > into the adduser batch in webmin. > > Anybody seed something like this? > > Regards > Trond M?hlum > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From haysja at sages.us Wed Jun 9 14:34:54 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:34:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Add users from file In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B71@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B71@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40C7200E.5000400@sages.us> If you have webmin installed, you can do this through a webmin interface. I did it just yesterday. daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >No need to bother, the addusers command takes care of this as far as I know! > >I know the man pages said something about adding multiple users from a >textfile > >check it out! > >Daniel > >-----Original Message----- >From: cliebow at downeast.net [mailto:cliebow at downeast.net] >Sent: 09 June 2004 15:02 >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Add users from file > > >here is a little piece of script you can adapt > > >2004.csv the script reads >Brian,Austin,2004,Pa55word,baustin >Colin,Barry,2004,Pa55word,cbarry >Matthew,Becker,2004,Pa55word,mbecker >Nicole,Bickford,2004,Pa55word,nbickfor >################################################################ > > > >################################################# > >cat 2004.csv | while read line; do >first=$(echo $line | cut -f1 -d ',') >last=$(echo $line | cut -f2 -d ',') >year=$(echo $line | cut -f3 -d ',') >password=$(echo $line | cut -f4 -d ',') >name=$(echo $line | cut -f5 -d ',') >stustaff=$(echo $line | cut -f6 -d ',') > #ADD Students OR Staff TO CSV > > > >>Does someone know of a script which takes names from a file and automakes >> >> >u> sername? > > >>I have a file with 300 names like so: >> >>John,Smith >> >>I want the script to go through the list and output another file like so: >> >>John Smith,johsm (for example)... Alternatively an output which can be fed >>into the adduser batch in webmin. >> >>Anybody seed something like this? >> >>Regards >>Trond M?hlum >> >> >> > > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >====================================================== >This email and any attached files are confidential and may >be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. >Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. >If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, >copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this >communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received >this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately >by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie >and then delete this email. >Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free >as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, >arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore >does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents >of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage >suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. >If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 9 15:36:24 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:36:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Spec Question Message-ID: <40C72E78.7000606@inlandlakes.org> We addressed the issue of a "separate app server per application" before, but I'm curious about how many clients a server can really handle. Here's my scenario: LTSP Servers (One for OpenOffice, One for Mozilla, One for LTSP itself) -Dual 3.2 Xeons with 2MB cache -6GB RAM -2x18 SCSI 320 drives in RAID 0 or 1 (whichever is mirrored, I forget) -Dual GigE network cards File Server (already existing, exporting nfs, samba, and netatalk): -Single 2.0 Xeon -3GB RAM -3x36GB SCSI 320 in RAID 5 -Dual GigE (integrated) Redundant Server for Emergency (also stores rsync backups): -Single 2.4 Xeon -4GB RAM -2x18 SCSI 320 drives in RAID 0 or 1 (mirrored, I still don't remember) -1x160GB IDE drive for rsync backup storage -Dual integrated NICs Windows 2003 Server (rdesktop for 60 clients): -Dual 3.2 Xeons with 2MB cache -6GB RAM -3x18GB SCSI 320 drives in RAID 5 (integrated controller) -Dual GigE network cards Any Idea how well this will scale? My network will be Gig fiber backbone, with 100mbit switched at every port. I'm starting next year with about 75 thin clients booting to the setup, but would like to add more by adding some to classrooms. We have a total of around 65 classrooms, and although they won't all have 5 thin clients in them, a bunch will want these "mini-labs" Does it make more sense to segment off the network, and have clients boot to specific servers? The Key Largo setup that I've heard so much about uses separate servers for separate apps -- and they scaled huge... Anyway, I'm looking for some input, including input on the windows server, since that's my weakest ability as an IT guy. Oh, and read my disclaimer, so I don't get in trouble. ;) Thanks much, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 9 15:44:24 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:44:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Add users from file In-Reply-To: <30988057.1086785344975.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice11.nsc.no> References: <30988057.1086785344975.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice11.nsc.no> Message-ID: <1086795863.2119.40.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 07:49, Trond Ruud Maehlum wrote: > Does someone know of a script which takes names from a file and automakes username? > > I have a file with 300 names like so: > > John,Smith > > I want the script to go through the list and output another file like so: > > John Smith,johsm (for example)... Alternatively an output which can be fed into the adduser batch in webmin. > > Anybody seed something like this? If you spend an hour or two learning stupid vi tricks (mostly regexp substitutions), you'll be able to make those transformations interactively in the editor at the drop of a hat for the rest of your life. For example, if you have a list like: First1,Last1 First2,Last2 the vi command :%s/\(^.*\),\(.\)\(.*\)/\1,\2\3,\L\1\2/ Will turn it into First1,Last1,first1l First2,Last2,first2l and if you get it wrong, just hit 'u' to undo the change. For the regexp challenged: : = start an ex (command line mode) command in vi % = shorthand for 1,$ in the range for the command (i.e. the whole buffer from the first to last line) s = substitute / = start 'match' portion \( = start a grouping ^ = anchor to beginning of line . = any character * = any number of the previous \) = end grouping , = literal match outside groupings \(.\) = grouping that matches any one character \(.*\) = grouping that picks up the rest / = start 'replace' portion \1 = what the first grouping matched , = literal text \2 = 2nd grouping (the one character) \3 = 3rd grouping \L = lowercase following \1\2 = 1st and 2nd groups again. / = end replacement One problem with complicated ex commands is that while you can undo the operation on the buffer, you can't easily recall and edit the command line itself. I usually either open another window and cut/paste to save, edit, and re-use it or type the command as a normal line in the editor and use vi's delete-to-register, execute-register, put-register commands to save and restore it. For example, with the cursor on the line with the :command typing "add will delete it to the "a" register. Typing @a will execute it. If you don't like it, u will undo the edit and "ap will put the line back in the editor. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Wed Jun 9 15:47:45 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:47:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users Message-ID: I set up a 1000 users with webmin with the batch process. Now I am trying to delete the accounts and for some reason webmin would only delete 100 of the accounts the reset it would say that user does not exist. I have seen posted on this group on how to automate user deletion using userdel, but when I try it I get the following usage error "usage: userdel [-r] name". Below is what I get when I try this. The users I want to delete is in delstu6.txt file. What am I doing wrong with this script? Thanks -Glenn [root at server garnold]# for x in 'cat delstu6.txt' > do userdel -r $x > done usage: userdel [-r] name From troybanther at plateautel.net Wed Jun 9 15:55:16 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:55:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086796515.26314.2.camel@supervisor> This is an important question I would love to see answered as well. At the college level we have users that fluctuate in attendance as well as users that are eliminated at the end of fiscal reporting cycles. Thanks! On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 09:47, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I set up a 1000 users with webmin with the batch process. Now I am > trying to delete the accounts and for some reason webmin would only > delete 100 of the accounts the reset it would say that user does not > exist. I have seen posted on this group on how to automate user > deletion using userdel, but when I try it I get the following usage > error "usage: userdel [-r] name". Below is what I get when I try this. > The users I want to delete is in delstu6.txt file. What am I doing > wrong with this script? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > [root at server garnold]# for x in 'cat delstu6.txt' > > do userdel -r $x > > done > usage: userdel [-r] name > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- troy banther - avid linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com ---- Personal views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, non-linear thinking, vegan food preferences, active non-violence, compassionate living, or anything else I might infer are mine only. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own. ------------------------------------------------------ From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jun 9 15:56:37 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I set up a 1000 users with webmin with the batch process. Now I am > trying to delete the accounts and for some reason webmin would only > delete 100 of the accounts the reset it would say that user does not > exist. I have seen posted on this group on how to automate user > deletion using userdel, but when I try it I get the following usage > error "usage: userdel [-r] name". Below is what I get when I try this. > The users I want to delete is in delstu6.txt file. What am I doing > wrong with this script? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > [root at server garnold]# for x in 'cat delstu6.txt' > > do userdel -r $x > > done > usage: userdel [-r] name With 1000 names in the delstu6.txt file, you may be having a problem with the command line being too long. the "for x in 'cat delstu6.txt'" gets transformed into: for x in billy bobby susan fred george ... ... ... ... (1000 names ) and that is gonna result in a very long command line. I know older shells like sh and ksh had limitations on command line length. I don't know about bash though. It may actually not be a problem. But, another way to do it would be: cat delstu6.txt | while read x do userdel -r $x done Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Wed Jun 9 16:21:16 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:21:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C738FC.5010002@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> jam at mcquil.com wrote: >But, another way to do it would be: > > cat delstu6.txt | while read x > do > userdel -r $x > done > > Alternatively (TMTOWTDI): cat delstu6.txt | xargs -n 1 userdel -r -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Wed Jun 9 16:45:17 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:45:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users Message-ID: Jim and Chris thanks. Jim's method keeps saying that the user did not exist just like my webmin batch process. Chris method worked. As I write this his method is deleting accounts and home, but I get the following message "userdel: error deleting shadow password entry" which I think I might have some passwd and shadow file corruption which might be why webmin and Jim's method could not delete the user accounts. Thanks for the fast response! -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Chris Hobbs [mailto:chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:21 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users jam at mcquil.com wrote: >But, another way to do it would be: > > cat delstu6.txt | while read x > do > userdel -r $x > done > > Alternatively (TMTOWTDI): cat delstu6.txt | xargs -n 1 userdel -r -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jun 9 16:53:19 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Glenn Arnold wrote: > Jim and Chris thanks. Jim's method keeps saying that the user did not > exist just like my webmin batch process. Chris method worked. As I > write this his method is deleting accounts and home, but I get the > following message "userdel: error deleting shadow password entry" which > I think I might have some passwd and shadow file corruption which might > be why webmin and Jim's method could not delete the user accounts. glenn, It's real easy to take a peek at the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow file to see what's there and what's missing. Jim. > > Thanks for the fast response! > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Hobbs [mailto:chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:21 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users > > jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > >But, another way to do it would be: > > > > cat delstu6.txt | while read x > > do > > userdel -r $x > > done > > > > > > Alternatively (TMTOWTDI): > > cat delstu6.txt | xargs -n 1 userdel -r > > From julius at turtle.com Wed Jun 9 17:09:32 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Add users from file In-Reply-To: <1086795863.2119.40.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 07:49, Trond Ruud Maehlum wrote: > > Does someone know of a script which takes names from a file and automakes username? > > > > I have a file with 300 names like so: > > > > John,Smith > > > > I want the script to go through the list and output another file like so: > > > > John Smith,johsm (for example)... Alternatively an output which can be fed into the adduser batch in webmin. > > > > Anybody seed something like this? > > If you spend an hour or two learning stupid vi tricks (mostly > regexp substitutions), you'll be able to make those transformations > interactively in the editor at the drop of a hat for the rest of > your life. > > For example, if you have a list like: > First1,Last1 > First2,Last2 > the vi command > :%s/\(^.*\),\(.\)\(.*\)/\1,\2\3,\L\1\2/ > Will turn it into > First1,Last1,first1l > First2,Last2,first2l > and if you get it wrong, just hit 'u' to undo the change. > > For the regexp challenged: > : = start an ex (command line mode) command in vi > % = shorthand for 1,$ in the range for the command > (i.e. the whole buffer from the first to last line) > s = substitute > / = start 'match' portion > \( = start a grouping > ^ = anchor to beginning of line > . = any character > * = any number of the previous > \) = end grouping > , = literal match outside groupings > \(.\) = grouping that matches any one character > \(.*\) = grouping that picks up the rest > / = start 'replace' portion > \1 = what the first grouping matched > , = literal text > \2 = 2nd grouping (the one character) > \3 = 3rd grouping > \L = lowercase following > \1\2 = 1st and 2nd groups again. > / = end replacement > > One problem with complicated ex commands is that while you can > undo the operation on the buffer, you can't easily recall and > edit the command line itself. I usually either open another > window and cut/paste to save, edit, and re-use it or type the > command as a normal line in the editor and use vi's delete-to-register, > execute-register, put-register commands to save and restore > it. For example, with the cursor on the line with the :command > typing "add will delete it to the "a" register. Typing @a > will execute it. If you don't like it, u will undo the edit > and "ap will put the line back in the editor. > Les, you just never cease to amaze me ... after 25 years of vi, I'd still burn many minutes to write a script to do it. Just goes to show I'm a slow learner ;-) julius From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Jun 9 17:12:30 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:12:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Eureka! Woo-Hoo! It works! In-Reply-To: <20040608213240.9A3DD73AFE@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040608213240.9A3DD73AFE@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1086801150.10858.31.camel@phoenix> Congratulations Dave! I'm going at this in a similar direction, but keeping my Active Directory server in place since we already have one. (On a sidenote, AD actually is pretty easy to script adding users to...even using ldapadd/ldapmodify/ldapdelete commands). My user's home directories are off my freshly upgraded Fedora Core 2 machine and shared by NFS for my own system as well as eventual TS (SideNote: Autofs4 is fun... /net share...). Now I have a mixture of Windows 98/2000/XP machines. How have you, Dave and others approached the same home dir issue? Taking those listed operating systems, has anyone mapped ye-old standard Windows 98 "My documents" directory and mapped it to the network drive for the users? Next, use either roaming profiles or mount the "Documents and Settings" folder of 2000/XP off c:\ directly to a home share off the server? Doesn't windows 98 save profile information on the share that is designated the user's home directory? How do you then correspond that to the profile information for win2k/XP (or do you even want to considering different application/os versions)? Now if 2000/XP "Documents and Settings" is mapped to the home directory, the user will have a "My Documents" sub-folder under their home directory, making it possible for them to save files above that (ie: ~/filename.txt) under Linux and them then not appearing in "My Documents". I've been mulling on this for awhile, and I am curious as to what others have done in this realm. Thanks! This is a fun and valuable mailing list to be on! -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 9 17:21:08 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:21:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Add users from file In-Reply-To: <30988057.1086785344975.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice11.nsc.no> Message-ID: <003401c44e46$2750cae0$1803010a@paasda.org> I have (had) a python script that does just that. =) I'll look for it...and if I find I'll post the source. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Trond Ruud Maehlum Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:49 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Add users from file Does someone know of a script which takes names from a file and automakes username? I have a file with 300 names like so: John,Smith I want the script to go through the list and output another file like so: John Smith,johsm (for example)... Alternatively an output which can be fed into the adduser batch in webmin. Anybody seed something like this? Regards Trond M?hlum From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Wed Jun 9 17:21:10 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:21:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users Message-ID: Jim, Looks like everything is in order with passwd and shadow file. Earlier this year I had problem in the passwd file with an account that would cause Red Hat's User and Group to exit out with an error, so I thought my batch deleting problems might be still lingering from the problems I had earlier with the passwd and shadow files. I was removing the students off the server in preparation to move to ldap. The less users to move the better. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: jam at mcquil.com [mailto:jam at mcquil.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:53 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Glenn Arnold wrote: > Jim and Chris thanks. Jim's method keeps saying that the user did not > exist just like my webmin batch process. Chris method worked. As I > write this his method is deleting accounts and home, but I get the > following message "userdel: error deleting shadow password entry" which > I think I might have some passwd and shadow file corruption which might > be why webmin and Jim's method could not delete the user accounts. glenn, It's real easy to take a peek at the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow file to see what's there and what's missing. Jim. > > Thanks for the fast response! > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Hobbs [mailto:chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:21 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users > > jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > >But, another way to do it would be: > > > > cat delstu6.txt | while read x > > do > > userdel -r $x > > done > > > > > > Alternatively (TMTOWTDI): > > cat delstu6.txt | xargs -n 1 userdel -r > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From julius at turtle.com Wed Jun 9 17:27:07 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12 4.1 on a laptop Message-ID: Dear Folks, I need advice. I loaded the alpha7 version on my Sony Z1 laptop and I've run into several problems, the most severe of which is a frequent sudden freeze. (I had less frequent freezes with 4.0.1 as well). This is a nasty show stopper. Other problems: touchpad not recognized at all, forces me to use a usb mouse; found only one way to make built-in wireless to work - pay the $20 to Linuxant and use the ndis driver (which actually requires the kernel compiled with 8K stacks, not the default 4K - Eric, pretty please?). Other than those, it is quite nice and does great work as a demo server - i had 10 stations running really fast connected to it. The advice I need is in how should I try to eliminate the sudden stops without actually devoting my life to to the search, and if there is no feasible path here, what other distribution should i use (k12 would come on top of that). thanks, julius From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 9 17:31:28 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:31:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086802287.4850.24.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 12:21, Glenn Arnold wrote: > Looks like everything is in order with passwd and shadow file. Earlier > this year I had problem in the passwd file with an account that would > cause Red Hat's User and Group to exit out with an error, so I thought > my batch deleting problems might be still lingering from the problems I > had earlier with the passwd and shadow files. I was removing the > students off the server in preparation to move to ldap. The less users > to move the better. The 'pwck' file will try to identify problems with your password and shadow files, and 'pwconv' will fix up the shadow file if there aren't too many problems. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Wed Jun 9 18:18:29 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:18:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users Message-ID: Thanks Les! For the tip on pwck. I ran it and fixed several errors. Here is the output from terminal. Now I have a couple of questions. Like the user adm directory /var/adm does not exist shouldn't these directories all ready exist? I have some teachers who help me create accounts on the server with Webmin and some times they create the accounts with Capital letters. Should all user accounts be in lower case letters? I know the accounts work even though pwck gives errors. Thanks -Glenn user adm: directory /var/adm does not exist user news: directory /etc/news does not exist user uucp: directory /var/spool/uucp does not exist user gopher: directory /var/gopher does not exist user ftp: directory /var/ftp does not exist user pcap: directory /var/arpwatch does not exist user unrealxp01$: directory /ev/null does not exist user hs112pcxx$: directory /ev/null does not exist user hs112pc50$: directory /ev/null does not exist user hs112pc08$: directory /ev/null does not exist invalid user name 'SMcCann' user rmaleta: directory /home/rmaleta does not exist invalid user name 'Administrator' invalid user name 'DMCKEE' user zemzem: directory /home/zemzem does not exist invalid user name 'RMURPHY' pwck: no changes My -----Original Message----- From: Les Mikesell [mailto:les at futuresource.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:31 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 12:21, Glenn Arnold wrote: > Looks like everything is in order with passwd and shadow file. Earlier > this year I had problem in the passwd file with an account that would > cause Red Hat's User and Group to exit out with an error, so I thought > my batch deleting problems might be still lingering from the problems I > had earlier with the passwd and shadow files. I was removing the > students off the server in preparation to move to ldap. The less users > to move the better. The 'pwck' file will try to identify problems with your password and shadow files, and 'pwconv' will fix up the shadow file if there aren't too many problems. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Wed Jun 9 18:48:13 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:48:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Spec Question In-Reply-To: <40C72E78.7000606@inlandlakes.org> References: <40C72E78.7000606@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40C75B6D.5090901@chartermi.net> I'd recommend those Ultra 320 drives are 15k rpm drives. I haven't used them on ltsp servers, but I've seen them in use and there's a noticeable difference. I'd also go with gigabit ethernet for the connection from the servers to your network. Another suggestion that I've got in use at the moment is to use the second ethernet port of all my servers to plug into a seperate switch on private subnet, and I do all my nfs shares of my /home over this space. That way, the communication between the ltsp server and the file server doesn't travel on the same port as the ltsp client traffic. At the moment, this setup isn't loaded up enough now that it'll matter, but... maybe down the road, I'll have a little headroom to grow. The rest of your questions, I'm not sure, so I won't lead you down the wrong path, but keep posting to the list, because I'm very interested. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us Shawn Powers wrote: > We addressed the issue of a "separate app server per application" > before, but I'm curious about how many clients a server can really > handle. Here's my scenario: > > LTSP Servers (One for OpenOffice, One for Mozilla, One for LTSP itself) > -Dual 3.2 Xeons with 2MB cache > -6GB RAM > -2x18 SCSI 320 drives in RAID 0 or 1 (whichever is mirrored, I forget) > -Dual GigE network cards > > [snip] > > Any Idea how well this will scale? My network will be Gig fiber > backbone, with 100mbit switched at every port. I'm starting next year > with about 75 thin clients booting to the setup, but would like to add > more by adding some to classrooms. We have a total of around 65 > classrooms, and although they won't all have 5 thin clients in them, a > bunch will want these "mini-labs" > > [snip} > > Anyway, I'm looking for some input, including input on the windows > server, since that's my weakest ability as an IT guy. Oh, and read my > disclaimer, so I don't get in trouble. ;) > > Thanks much, > -Shawn From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Wed Jun 9 18:00:41 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (xyz xyz) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Add users from file In-Reply-To: <20040609173136.0B32274DBB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040609180041.89101.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> I have one machine with k12OS running as samba server and another machine running K12LTSP as terminal server. I intend to add all users to the samba server and then copy passwd, group and shadow files over to terminal server on a daily/twice daily cron job. I too hope to use some kind of text file containing first name and last name and SIN# which will extract a username and password from this data and add these users in one shot. Different text files for different groups would be useful i assume. The thing is, a smbpasswd entry needs to be made too - is there a way to do this in one shot. new to writing scripts - please be patient __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From wescott_mike at emc.com Wed Jun 9 19:05:46 2004 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:05:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:45:17 EDT." Message-ID: <200406091905.i59J5ktg007165@strange.us.dg.com> chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us wrote: > cat delstu6.txt | xargs -n 1 userdel -r jam at mcquil.com wrote: > cat delstu6.txt | while read x > do > userdel -r $x > done Glenn Arnold wrote: > Jim's method keeps saying that the user did not > exist just like my webmin batch process. Chris method worked. That's odd. I'd've expected each to act the same, unless .... Take a close look at delstu6.txt. I'll bet that there are carriage returns (^M) or other whitespace at the end of some lines. -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 9 19:28:40 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:28:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086809319.7944.70.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 13:18, Glenn Arnold wrote: > Thanks Les! For the tip on pwck. I ran it and fixed several errors. > Here is the output from terminal. Now I have a couple of questions. > Like the user adm directory /var/adm does not exist shouldn't these > directories all ready exist? I have some teachers who help me create > accounts on the server with Webmin and some times they create the > accounts with Capital letters. Should all user accounts be in lower > case letters? I know the accounts work even though pwck gives errors. Home directories are only needed if someone actually logs into that account. Many of the system accounts aren't used for logins but just separate ownership of different tasks and related files. I'd stick to lowercase usernames if possible. Most things don't care but email will try to lowercase the local part of the address for delivery and it used to be that if someone typed their login in character mode in all caps the system assumed that their terminal was uppercase only and started translating everything to uppercase for you - that's gone now, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 9 19:40:29 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:40:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Add users from file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086810029.7944.80.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 12:09, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Les, > you just never cease to amaze me ... after 25 years of vi, I'd > still burn many minutes to write a script to do it. Just goes to show I'm > a slow learner ;-) You end up needing to know the regexps in the scripts too. The hard part is keeping track of the small syntax differences between programs and changes over time. For example perl would use bare () for grouping instead of \(\), and the \L for lowercase is a modern addition for vi, I think. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tbrown at michiana.org Wed Jun 9 20:01:14 2004 From: tbrown at michiana.org (Tom Brown) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:01:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <1086782770.1174.434.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.com> <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040609083520.02a34100@michiana.org> If K12OSN moves away from the listserv format, we'll probably lose members. Examples: 1. Michiana Linux Users Group changed its web site from static pages and a listserv to Drupal (CMS with forums, blogs, etc.). Some members flatly refused to use the forum based, interactive site and threatened to leave the organization. Apparently a significant number of folks like the simple listserv format and don't want to browse for information or check multiple forums. So MLUG kept the listerv intact, and it is more active than the CMS forums. 2. The Indiana Green Party had a one-size-fits-all listserv and divided it into two listservs (announce, discuss). The organization lost a large percentage of its subscribers when members had to choose one, the other, or both lists. Change is a drop-out opportunity. An advantage of the one-size-fits-all listserv is keeping local searchable archives. CMS/bb systems are often full text searchable, but nothing beats an off-line archive for availability and speed -- if you have the local storage. Tom At 08:06 PM 6/9/04 +0800, you wrote: >On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 18:56, John Ingleby wrote: > > Interesting... this issue just came up for me, too. I've been running > > www.schoolforge.org.uk for a year now, which started life as a Wiki and > > is now a PostNuke site. Over that time, from various email lists, I've > > accumulated lots of messages with really useful information in them, but > > never managed to develop them into Wiki pages. > > >-snip- > > > So I've been looking for a forum package that integrates with email > > lists, and FUDforum seems to meet the bill. If so, it could turn a > > mailing list into an easily searchable, up-to-date archive, to which you > > can post either by email or web access. >-snip- > >I'm going to contribute to this discussion, not because I have a great >deal of knowledge in this area, simply because I have an interest in >knowledge systems ... and I'm an opinionated bore ;-) > >I've got a lot out of this list over the past 18mnths simply because it >_IS_ so diverse. Someone's OT message may spark my interest and I'll >look at a web site or three that would never have come to my attention >before. Restrict this list to specific topic groupings and I would >never have that exposure because I have too much to read already and so >little time. On the other hand, force me to look at something and I >usually go "Oh yeh, that's got to be useful" or I just skip over it. As >for the vexed question of accessing all that unstructured and >(seemingly) disparate information, then all I can do is repeat that >well-worn phrase, "Google is your friend". I've actually ended up >subscribing to lists that I've never heard of after a web search led to >an answer on a mailing list. > >-- > Regards, > > Gavin Chester > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From ddaniels at magic.fr Wed Jun 9 20:45:33 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:45:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040609083520.02a34100@michiana.org> References: <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.com> <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040609083520.02a34100@michiana.org> Message-ID: <40C776ED.5060300@magic.fr> Having spent a bit of time searching the K12OSN archives at RH I wasnt' at all impressed with its searching cabapibilities. Is there a way to mirror the archive so that posts to a forum would be routed to the list-serv and vice versa? That way we could have the best of both worlds and maybe even gain more users by having the forums available to subscribers much like this list? best Dennis Tom Brown wrote: > If K12OSN moves away from the listserv format, we'll probably lose > members. Examples: > > 1. Michiana Linux Users Group changed its web site from static pages and > a listserv to Drupal (CMS with forums, blogs, etc.). Some members flatly > refused to use the forum based, interactive site and threatened to leave > the organization. Apparently a significant number of folks like the > simple listserv format and don't want to browse for information or check > multiple forums. So MLUG kept the listerv intact, and it is more active > than the CMS forums. > > 2. The Indiana Green Party had a one-size-fits-all listserv and divided > it into two listservs (announce, discuss). The organization lost a large > percentage of its subscribers when members had to choose one, the > other, or both lists. Change is a drop-out opportunity. > > An advantage of the one-size-fits-all listserv is keeping local > searchable archives. CMS/bb systems are often full text searchable, but > nothing beats an off-line archive for availability and speed -- if you > have the local storage. > > Tom > > At 08:06 PM 6/9/04 +0800, you wrote: > >> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 18:56, John Ingleby wrote: >> > Interesting... this issue just came up for me, too. I've been running >> > www.schoolforge.org.uk for a year now, which started life as a Wiki and >> > is now a PostNuke site. Over that time, from various email lists, I've >> > accumulated lots of messages with really useful information in them, >> but >> > never managed to develop them into Wiki pages. >> > >> -snip- >> >> > So I've been looking for a forum package that integrates with email >> > lists, and FUDforum seems to meet the bill. If so, it could turn a >> > mailing list into an easily searchable, up-to-date archive, to which >> you >> > can post either by email or web access. >> -snip- >> >> I'm going to contribute to this discussion, not because I have a great >> deal of knowledge in this area, simply because I have an interest in >> knowledge systems ... and I'm an opinionated bore ;-) >> >> I've got a lot out of this list over the past 18mnths simply because it >> _IS_ so diverse. Someone's OT message may spark my interest and I'll >> look at a web site or three that would never have come to my attention >> before. Restrict this list to specific topic groupings and I would >> never have that exposure because I have too much to read already and so >> little time. On the other hand, force me to look at something and I >> usually go "Oh yeh, that's got to be useful" or I just skip over it. As >> for the vexed question of accessing all that unstructured and >> (seemingly) disparate information, then all I can do is repeat that >> well-worn phrase, "Google is your friend". I've actually ended up >> subscribing to lists that I've never heard of after a web search led to >> an answer on a mailing list. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Gavin Chester >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 9 20:55:46 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:55:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <40C776ED.5060300@magic.fr> References: <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.com> <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040609083520.02a34100@michiana.org> <40C776ED.5060300@magic.fr> Message-ID: <1086814546.12670.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:45, Dennis Daniels wrote: > Having spent a bit of time searching the K12OSN archives at RH I wasnt' > at all impressed with its searching cabapibilities. Is there a way to > mirror the archive so that posts to a forum would be routed to the > list-serv and vice versa? That way we could have the best of both worlds > and maybe even gain more users by having the forums available to > subscribers much like this list? It's hard to beat google for stuff that is old enough to be there. If you add listman.redhat.com and k12osn to your search terms you'll get the matches from the list. Personally, I let procmail sort mailing lists into separate IMAP folders as they are delivered so I don't have to deal with them all in the inbox with work-related email. Either evolution or outlook will show the unread message count for each folder (although sometimes it fails to update until I view it) and both have search facilities. I happen to be using an SME server with maildir style delivery, but other IMAP techniques would work, or even outlook/evolution filtering on the way in fro a POP server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Wed Jun 9 20:58:58 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:58:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <40C632C9.8080505@inlandlakes.org> References: <40C632C9.8080505@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40C77A12.2020308@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > Just a thought. Anyone else's opinion? You asked... ;) I personally despise bulletin boards - plain text e-mail messages in a good, threaded reader are, to me anyway, infinitely easier to deal with (I happen to use Mozilla's mail clent). It's faster, much faster, to go from message to message (and I'm using dual T-1s here, so bandwidth isn't an issue). It's easy for me to search my messages, whether stored locally or on my IMAP server. If there's a thread I'm not interested in I simply hit the 'T' key to mark it read and move on to the next, which makes weeding through that which I'm not interested in much easier than a web based forum could be.. The messages are always available to me, right now, without my having to navigate to a website. I could go on - but I won't bore anyone much longer. This is, ultimately, a matter of personal preference. Switching to (or adding) a BB would without a doubt split up the group, and the resources they represent. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 9 21:31:57 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:31:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <40C776ED.5060300@magic.fr> References: <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.com> <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040609083520.02a34100@michiana.org> <40C776ED.5060300@magic.fr> Message-ID: <1086816716.12774.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> I ran across this when I was looking for something else: http://www.eschoolnews.com/ubb/index.htm It's an existing bbs style forum that looks like it could use some people with a clue about thin clients. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tim at litwiller.net Wed Jun 9 21:34:19 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:34:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <1086814546.12670.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.com> <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040609083520.02a34100@michiana.org> <40C776ED.5060300@magic.fr> <1086814546.12670.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40C7825B.6060209@litwiller.net> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:45, Dennis Daniels wrote: > > >>Having spent a bit of time searching the K12OSN archives at RH I wasnt' >>at all impressed with its searching cabapibilities. Is there a way to >>mirror the archive so that posts to a forum would be routed to the >>list-serv and vice versa? That way we could have the best of both worlds >>and maybe even gain more users by having the forums available to >>subscribers much like this list? >> >> > >It's hard to beat google for stuff that is old enough to be there. >If you add listman.redhat.com and k12osn to your search terms >you'll get the matches from the list. > >Personally, I let procmail sort mailing lists into separate IMAP >folders as they are delivered so I don't have to deal with them >all in the inbox with work-related email. Either evolution or >outlook will show the unread message count for each folder (although >sometimes it fails to update until I view it) and both have >search facilities. I happen to be using an SME server with >maildir style delivery, but other IMAP techniques would work, or >even outlook/evolution filtering on the way in fro a POP server. > > > I do the same with mozilla, it is so much easier to deal with a mailing list or newsgroup than spend hours trying to keep up with a web forum. >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 9 21:54:35 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:54:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Re: Cmap Website Contact -- Question Message-ID: Dear CmapTools User, We have a workaround on version 3.4 in order to allow several users to run CmapTools. Our next release (vr 3.5) will have the implementation. You have to modify a file called "CmapTools.lax" (located at CmapTools/bin". In that file you have to modify the lax.command.line.args variable. Default value: lax.command.line.args=-checkForMultipleAppInstances 4749,nlk.basic.MultipleAppInstanceHandlerImpl ../classes/nlk.jar New Value to allow multiple users: lax.command.line.args= ../classes/nlk.jar Plan to attend the First International Conference on Concept Mapping - CMC2004 in Pamplona, Spain, http://cmc.ihmc.us/, and share with the concept mapping community your experiences using concept maps. Let me know if I can help further... Sincerely, Cmap Support Institute for Human and Machine Cognition - University of West Florida http://cmap.ihmc.us/ First International Conference on Concept Mapping CMC2004 :: http://cmc.ihmc.us/ On Tue, 18 May 2004 10:06:52 -0500 "dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us" wrote: >>Name: David Trask >>Email: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>Product: CmapTools >>Version: 3.0xx >>Operating System: >> >>message: >>I\''m trying *hoping* to get CMapTools to work in our Linux Terminal >Server environment (www.k12ltsp.org). I have installed it, but only one >instance will run at a time....I\''d like to make it so all users can run >CMapTools. Do you have any ideas as to how to make this work? Is there >some sort of -net switch to install an instance for all users? LTSP is a >terminal server that runs multiple thin-clients on the network...I\''d >like those terminals to be able to run CMapTools in their own >session...right now all we get is \"another instance of CMapTools is >already running\"...thus only one user can use it at a time. > >> >>License: >> >> > > > Sincerely, CmapSupport From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 9 21:57:17 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:57:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to (draft) Message-ID: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP-howto-v2.pdf The link above is to the pdf version of my latest how-to for Samba-LDAP....I duplicated the set up today. I will post my configs (hopefully Friday) for all to access. Let me know of additions, omissions, and screw-ups. PS....Derek, feel free to use this in any way you want for the session at Gould...change it or whatever. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 9 22:04:47 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:04:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe boot from hard-drive? Message-ID: <003d01c44e6d$c78fac20$1803010a@paasda.org> There was a post from long ago that I scrounged up in the archives about taking the boot-rom from http://www.rom-o-matic.com and instead of booting from a floppy drive, it said you could somehow, (one said copy a .com version of the rom to the HD and reboot), that didn't work for me. So I'm wondering if there is another way to do it without having to replace all of my network cards...and some of the older hardware doesn't have options for booting from LAN anyway... I googled for a while and found nothing that worked so far... --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddaniels at magic.fr Wed Jun 9 22:09:33 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:09:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe boot from hard-drive? In-Reply-To: <003d01c44e6d$c78fac20$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003d01c44e6d$c78fac20$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40C78A9D.2080909@magic.fr> Have you looked at the PXES site? They've got an ISO that apparently is an all-in-one wonder if you're dealing thin clients that have an hard-drive. http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ best, Dennis Huck wrote: > There was a post from long ago that I scrounged up in the archives about > taking the boot-rom from http://www.rom-o-matic.com and instead of > booting from a floppy drive, it said you could somehow, (one said copy a > .com version of the rom to the HD and reboot), that didn't work for me. > > So I'm wondering if there is another way to do it without having to > replace all of my network cards...and some of the older hardware doesn't > have options for booting from LAN anyway... > > I googled for a while and found nothing that worked so far... > > > --Huck From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jun 9 22:24:04 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:24:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What am I missing In-Reply-To: <11277408.1086787502093.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> References: <11277408.1086787502093.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> Message-ID: <40C78E04.4010806@maltzen.net> I'm running K12ltsp 3.1.2 so my suggestions may not help. The last thing that loads on the clients before they load X is the sound module(s). So, set the run-level for the clients to 3 in the lts.conf file, and then you can see if the sound module is successfully loading. (Aside: I wish there were separate log files for each client as it boots, stored on the server; it would make debugging client issues much easier.) The other tidbit I can offer is that on my system I can't get XMMS to figure out which workstation it should talk to because it hardcodes it in the user's local config file (.xmms?) In other words, if I startup XMMS on ws1, I have to configure XMMS to point to ws1 in its configuration or the sound won't work. But if the next time I login I do so at ws2, XMMS still tries to send the sound to ws1. I haven't seen anyone else mention this, so I assume it's just me who has this problem. Petre jconlon1 wrote: >>On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:35:16 -0400 David Trask > > wrote. > > I am using Gnome and I have turned on the three lines in the lts.conf file > that deal with sound because I have a mixture of sound cards in all of my > terminals. None of them work, I'm just starting with the SB cards. I did > not find a specific line or mention for sound blaster cards > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 9 22:36:50 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (spowers at inlandlakes.org) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <40C77A12.2020308@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <40C632C9.8080505@inlandlakes.org> <40C77A12.2020308@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <1163.66.129.41.148.1086820610.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> > Shawn Powers wrote: >> Just a thought. Anyone else's opinion? > You asked... ;) LOL -- indeed I did. :) My next topic may be, "Linux Sucks" or "Windows is so much better" hehehe I like the link about integrating both the forum and the emails. Then we wouldn't have to lose anyone. Heck -- just the tip about pressing "t" in mozilla mail will help me out. :) Anyway, thanks for all the feedback. -Shawn From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Jun 9 22:38:27 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:38:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe boot from hard-drive? In-Reply-To: <003d01c44e6d$c78fac20$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003d01c44e6d$c78fac20$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1086820707.30869.28.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:04, Huck wrote: > There was a post from long ago that I scrounged up in the archives > about taking the boot-rom from http://www.rom-o-matic.com and instead > of booting from a floppy drive, it said you could somehow, (one said > copy a .com version of the rom to the HD and reboot), that didn't work > for me. I did this by downloading the file from Rom-O-matic that acts like a Linux kernel. Then, I booted the client machine from a Linux Live CD (I used a Gentoo Live CD, though any you are comfortable with would work) and then created a small boot partition on the hard disk and installed a bootloader (I used grub, but LILO would work as well). Then I just configured the bootloader to load the file from rom-o-matic just like a kernel image. It worked great. This also allowed me to easily setup some of the clients to multi-boot into Windows and local Linux installations. I know these are broad strokes, if you need more detail, let me know. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 9 22:56:09 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:56:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe boot from hard-drive? In-Reply-To: <1086820707.30869.28.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <004701c44e74$f47fb700$1803010a@paasda.org> Thanks all... once again 'ignorant piloting error' was the cause =) had done an 'update' to packages...and apparently some process needed HUP'd...and a reboot solved it. also...it reset my /etc/X11/gdm and xdm settings so was getting the illustrious grey screen with black X cursor =) 6.6.1 in lts docs give solution... 3 files to edit, gdm-config, Xaccess, xdm-config I think were the three.. anyway...I need to try the all-in-wonder cd from the pxe place...aughta save me floppy headaches. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Quentin Hartman Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:38 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] pxe boot from hard-drive? On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:04, Huck wrote: > There was a post from long ago that I scrounged up in the archives > about taking the boot-rom from http://www.rom-o-matic.com and instead > of booting from a floppy drive, it said you could somehow, (one said > copy a .com version of the rom to the HD and reboot), that didn't work > for me. I did this by downloading the file from Rom-O-matic that acts like a Linux kernel. Then, I booted the client machine from a Linux Live CD (I used a Gentoo Live CD, though any you are comfortable with would work) and then created a small boot partition on the hard disk and installed a bootloader (I used grub, but LILO would work as well). Then I just configured the bootloader to load the file from rom-o-matic just like a kernel image. It worked great. This also allowed me to easily setup some of the clients to multi-boot into Windows and local Linux installations. I know these are broad strokes, if you need more detail, let me know. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Wed Jun 9 23:33:00 2004 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:33:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe boot from hard-drive? In-Reply-To: <1086820707.30869.28.camel@localhost> References: <003d01c44e6d$c78fac20$1803010a@paasda.org> <1086820707.30869.28.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40C79E2C.5080401@physics.isu.edu> Quentin Hartman wrote: > >I did this by downloading the file from Rom-O-matic that acts like a >Linux kernel. Then, I booted the client machine from a Linux Live CD (I >used a Gentoo Live CD, though any you are comfortable with would work) >and then created a small boot partition on the hard disk and installed a >bootloader (I used grub, but LILO would work as well). Then I just >configured the bootloader to load the file from rom-o-matic just like a >kernel image. It worked great. This also allowed me to easily setup some >of the clients to multi-boot into Windows and local Linux installations. >I know these are broad strokes, if you need more detail, let me know. > > > I for one would love more detail.. Which tools did you use to create the partition? Is there a way to non-destructively resize "other" partitions using open source tools? (i know, could be an added benefit to remove what is on the hard drive, but I'm stuck) What commands did you need to install grub, etc.? I should just try this on my own and write it up, but a little more detailed walkthrough would me help through the rough spots if you have the time. Ben From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Jun 9 23:42:19 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:42:19 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086824538.1249.1.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Glenn, If you used webmin to batch create then you can use webmin to remove. Simply modify your list as per the webmin help and you will be able to use it to remove users. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 03:47, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I set up a 1000 users with webmin with the batch process. Now I am > trying to delete the accounts and for some reason webmin would only > delete 100 of the accounts the reset it would say that user does not > exist. I have seen posted on this group on how to automate user > deletion using userdel, but when I try it I get the following usage > error "usage: userdel [-r] name". Below is what I get when I try this. > The users I want to delete is in delstu6.txt file. What am I doing > wrong with this script? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > [root at server garnold]# for x in 'cat delstu6.txt' > > do userdel -r $x > > done > usage: userdel [-r] name > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Jun 9 23:59:19 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:59:19 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe boot from hard-drive? In-Reply-To: <003d01c44e6d$c78fac20$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003d01c44e6d$c78fac20$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1086825320.1249.12.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Huck, It was probably one of my messages. Prpare a hard drive as if you were going to put DOS onto it. You could conceivably use a free version of DOS. I made a 10MB partition. Make the drive active. Create a batch file that calls the PXE_ROM_IMAGE.com file, and save that to the 10 MB partition. copyt the appropriate PXE_ROM_IMAGE.com file to the 10 MB partition. Reboot and it should work. =========== I used a boot floppy set up in a similar manner to test various cards. I did the old config.sys menu trick in DOS and had about 6 different boot rom images on the floppy. Throw the floppy in my diagnostics machine, select the boot rom based on the NIC, and see if it connects to the server. HTH, Bert On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 10:04, Huck wrote: > There was a post from long ago that I scrounged up in the archives > about taking the boot-rom from http://www.rom-o-matic.com and instead > of booting from a floppy drive, it said you could somehow, (one said > copy a .com version of the rom to the HD and reboot), that didn't work > for me. > > So I'm wondering if there is another way to do it without having to > replace all of my network cards...and some of the older hardware > doesn't have options for booting from LAN anyway... > > I googled for a while and found nothing that worked so far... > > > --Huck > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 10 00:53:41 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Torvalds in Portland Message-ID: Linus Torvalds' childern will be attending the school that K12LTSP was originaly developed for. Way too cool ;-) http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=5172 -Eric From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jun 10 00:54:57 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:54:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe boot from hard-drive? In-Reply-To: <1086825320.1249.12.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <004801c44e85$8cc2a580$1803010a@paasda.org> using a win '98 boot disk doesn't work for me unless I hit F1.. as the splash screen freaks out somehow... am experimenting with dos 5.0 (not working)... and now 6.22 will update tomorrow as I must go sailing now =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bert Rolston Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 4:59 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] pxe boot from hard-drive? Hi Huck, It was probably one of my messages. Prpare a hard drive as if you were going to put DOS onto it. You could conceivably use a free version of DOS. I made a 10MB partition. Make the drive active. Create a batch file that calls the PXE_ROM_IMAGE.com file, and save that to the 10 MB partition. copyt the appropriate PXE_ROM_IMAGE.com file to the 10 MB partition. Reboot and it should work. =========== I used a boot floppy set up in a similar manner to test various cards. I did the old config.sys menu trick in DOS and had about 6 different boot rom images on the floppy. Throw the floppy in my diagnostics machine, select the boot rom based on the NIC, and see if it connects to the server. HTH, Bert On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 10:04, Huck wrote: > There was a post from long ago that I scrounged up in the archives > about taking the boot-rom from http://www.rom-o-matic.com and instead > of booting from a floppy drive, it said you could somehow, (one said > copy a .com version of the rom to the HD and reboot), that didn't work > for me. > > So I'm wondering if there is another way to do it without having to > replace all of my network cards...and some of the older hardware > doesn't have options for booting from LAN anyway... > > I googled for a while and found nothing that worked so far... > > > --Huck > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dalen at czexan.net Thu Jun 10 02:49:51 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:49:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Torvalds in Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C7CC4F.7020404@czexan.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > Linus Torvalds' childern will be attending the school that K12LTSP > was originaly developed for. Way too cool ;-) > > http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=5172 > > -Eric > Eric, WOW!, I didn't realize that. If it's not too much trouble, could you give pointers to the history of K12LTSP (movers/shakers/influences) and important points along the way. I didn't see much from the main k12ltsp.org page but I am very interested in the history. Thanks, Dale From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 10 02:50:11 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:50:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Torvalds in Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C7CC63.4060807@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > Linus Torvalds' childern will be attending the school that K12LTSP > was originaly developed for. Way too cool ;-) Of all the folks to LITERALLY have the ear of Linus -- you guys deserve it. :) When you meet him (I'm assuming you will) give him a handshake from all of us in the trenches. :) -Shawn From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 10 02:55:49 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:55:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe boot from hard-drive? In-Reply-To: <004801c44e85$8cc2a580$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <004801c44e85$8cc2a580$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40C7CDB5.4010806@inlandlakes.org> Huck wrote: > using a win '98 boot disk doesn't work for me unless I hit F1.. Sorry Huck, I caught this thread late -- I did this for the thin clients we just set up, sorta. I followed the link on ltsp.org to the step by step directions: http://www.peak.org/~mountainman/misc/LTSP-boot.html It worked flawlessly. I asked a few days back about how to convert the "universal floppy image" to a .zlilo image so I could have a universal booting hard drive image, but no responses. :( (My questions have been to difficult of late I guess, the last few have gone unanswered. :) Anyway -- the directions really do work, and then I use G4U (no link, just google for it) to make a hard drive image and copy it to all the thin clients. It is NIC specific, which is why I wanted the universal one -- but it works well. Let me know if it doens't work for you. -Shawn From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 10 03:02:08 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Torvalds in Portland In-Reply-To: <40C7CC4F.7020404@czexan.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, dalen wrote: >Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Linus Torvalds' childern will be attending the school that K12LTSP >> was originaly developed for. Way too cool ;-) >> >> http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=5172 >> >> -Eric >> >Eric, > WOW!, I didn't realize that. If it's not too much trouble, could you >give pointers to the history of K12LTSP (movers/shakers/influences) and >important points along the way. I didn't see much from the main >k12ltsp.org page but I am very interested in the history. > >Thanks, > >Dale There is a little bit in the wiki: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/K12LTSP%20History http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Releases -Eric From dalen at czexan.net Thu Jun 10 03:28:51 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:28:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Torvalds in Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C7D573.4000809@czexan.net> >>Eric, >> WOW!, I didn't realize that. If it's not too much trouble, could you >>give pointers to the history of K12LTSP (movers/shakers/influences) and >>important points along the way. I didn't see much from the main >>k12ltsp.org page but I am very interested in the history. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Dale > > > There is a little bit in the wiki: > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/K12LTSP%20History > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Releases > > -Eric Eric, Thanks for the links:) Thanks, Dale From nathan at grandvache.com Thu Jun 10 05:49:34 2004 From: nathan at grandvache.com (Nathan Shaffer) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:49:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Samba/LDAP how-to Message-ID: Thanks for writing this! With the close of school this week, I was just getting ready to start plowing into this topic on my own (been studying Samba 3 for the past month). We are already authenticating with LDAP on multiple servers and using SAMBA to share volumes without authentication for general file sharing between Wintel boxes and the LTSP desktops / labs. Nathan Shaffer St John the Apostle School Oregon City, Oregon nshaffer at sja.pvt.k12.or.us From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Thu Jun 10 05:58:15 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:58:15 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Message-ID: <40C7F877.4040703@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi K12 list First of all, thanks and congratulations on your good work. What I'd like to know is. When is the release date for the new K12 with FC2? I have some schools on my case who desperately want it, and it would be nice to be able to tell them more or less a week, a month, etc. Thanks! Jonathan From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Jun 10 09:58:07 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:58:07 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Samba/LDAP how-to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086861487.17134.6.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 02:49, Nathan Shaffer wrote: > Thanks for writing this! With the close of school this week, I was > just getting ready to start plowing into this topic on my own (been > studying Samba 3 for the past month). We are already authenticating > with LDAP on multiple servers and using SAMBA to share volumes without > authentication for general file sharing between Wintel boxes and the > LTSP desktops / labs. Did I accidentally delete the HowTo? I don't remember seeing it. Tim From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Jun 10 11:49:08 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:49:08 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] floppy access "permission denied" Message-ID: <061020041149.16538.40C84AB4000A02440000409A22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Not sure if this is the answer, but from the mtools list ( http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/mtools ) from message: " In a seemingly random fashion, floppyd leaves behind some sort of lock file called, in my case, '-+dev-+floppy-+1'. From time to time a user will be unable to access the floppy - getting an access denied error. If I go to a local console and delete the lock file the problem is temporarily resolved, but will usually come back shortly, as if floppyd is somehow crashing and restarting itself without cleaning up the lock file in /tmp. ...fixed by in patch 20030524 " The mtools list is a very low volume list if you choose to subscribe. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > My students can download/upload to their floppies with icon as I have enabled > floppy access in lts.conf. But after a few reads or writes the floppies can't > be accessed anymore. It says "permission denied. Authentication failed" and > they can no longer access the floppy. But if they go to another client it > works again for 1 transfer and then the same problem. What's going on here? > Anyone else experience this with 3.1.2? > > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Thu Jun 10 12:11:45 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:11:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users Message-ID: Hi Bert, Yes I know you can remove it with Webmin, but for some reason when I did with webmin I would get the message the user does not exist. I did have some errors in my passwd file though which might been causing the problem. -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Bert Rolston [mailto:bert.rolston at clear.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:42 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] deleting a 1000 users Hi Glenn, If you used webmin to batch create then you can use webmin to remove. Simply modify your list as per the webmin help and you will be able to use it to remove users. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 03:47, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I set up a 1000 users with webmin with the batch process. Now I am > trying to delete the accounts and for some reason webmin would only > delete 100 of the accounts the reset it would say that user does not > exist. I have seen posted on this group on how to automate user > deletion using userdel, but when I try it I get the following usage > error "usage: userdel [-r] name". Below is what I get when I try this. > The users I want to delete is in delstu6.txt file. What am I doing > wrong with this script? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > [root at server garnold]# for x in 'cat delstu6.txt' > > do userdel -r $x > > done > usage: userdel [-r] name > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Jun 10 12:55:49 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Here's the howto again---Samba/LDAP how-to (draft)] Message-ID: <1173.170.211.161.253.1086872149.squirrel@170.211.161.253> ------------------------------ Original Message ------------------------------ Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to (draft) From: "David Trask" Date: Wed, June 9, 2004 4:57 pm To: K12OSN at redhat.com Cc: Derek.Dresser at gouldacademy.org "Christopher K. Johnson" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP-howto-v2.pdf The link above is to the pdf version of my latest how-to for Samba-LDAP....I duplicated the set up today. I will post my configs (hopefully Friday) for all to access. Let me know of additions, omissions, and screw-ups. PS....Derek, feel free to use this in any way you want for the session at Gould...change it or whatever. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From lewis at pcc.com Thu Jun 10 14:41:00 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:41:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] user desktops Message-ID: <30C526FE-BAEC-11D8-90CE-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> I need to setup different users to have certain options enabled or disabled. All users will have access to the web and mail, but only certain users will have access to ripping CD's. What is the best way of setting this up. Thanks Lewis From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jun 10 15:02:11 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:02:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Samba/LDAP how-to In-Reply-To: <1086861487.17134.6.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <004b01c44efb$e8898160$1803010a@paasda.org> Here ya go Tim. http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP-howto-v2.pdf The link above is to the pdf version of my latest how-to for Samba-LDAP....I duplicated the set up today. I will post my configs (hopefully Friday) for all to access. Let me know of additions, omissions, and screw-ups. PS....Derek, feel free to use this in any way you want for the session at Gould...change it or whatever. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Legge Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:58 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE: Samba/LDAP how-to On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 02:49, Nathan Shaffer wrote: > Thanks for writing this! With the close of school this week, I was > just getting ready to start plowing into this topic on my own (been > studying Samba 3 for the past month). We are already authenticating > with LDAP on multiple servers and using SAMBA to share volumes without > authentication for general file sharing between Wintel boxes and the > LTSP desktops / labs. Did I accidentally delete the HowTo? I don't remember seeing it. Tim _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tbrown at michiana.org Thu Jun 10 14:46:15 2004 From: tbrown at michiana.org (Tom Brown) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:46:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <40C776ED.5060300@magic.fr> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040609083520.02a34100@michiana.org> <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.com> <1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040609083520.02a34100@michiana.org> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040610093826.027b4960@michiana.org> Drupal handles email-to-forum or forum-to-email conversions poorly. I suspect other CMS/bb systems are similar in their inability to satisfy both needs. Tom At 01:45 PM 6/9/04 -0700, you wrote: >Having spent a bit of time searching the K12OSN archives at RH I wasnt' at >all impressed with its searching cabapibilities. Is there a way to mirror >the archive so that posts to a forum would be routed to the list-serv and >vice versa? That way we could have the best of both worlds and maybe even >gain more users by having the forums available to subscribers much like >this list? >best >Dennis > >Tom Brown wrote: >>If K12OSN moves away from the listserv format, we'll probably lose >>members. Examples: >>1. Michiana Linux Users Group changed its web site from static pages and >>a listserv to Drupal (CMS with forums, blogs, etc.). Some members flatly >>refused to use the forum based, interactive site and threatened to leave >>the organization. Apparently a significant number of folks like the >>simple listserv format and don't want to browse for information or check >>multiple forums. So MLUG kept the listerv intact, and it is more active >>than the CMS forums. >>2. The Indiana Green Party had a one-size-fits-all listserv and divided >>it into two listservs (announce, discuss). The organization lost a large >>percentage of its subscribers when members had to choose one, the other, >>or both lists. Change is a drop-out opportunity. >>An advantage of the one-size-fits-all listserv is keeping local >>searchable archives. CMS/bb systems are often full text searchable, but >>nothing beats an off-line archive for availability and speed -- if you >>have the local storage. >>Tom >>At 08:06 PM 6/9/04 +0800, you wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 18:56, John Ingleby wrote: >>> > Interesting... this issue just came up for me, too. I've been running >>> > www.schoolforge.org.uk for a year now, which started life as a Wiki and >>> > is now a PostNuke site. Over that time, from various email lists, I've >>> > accumulated lots of messages with really useful information in them, but >>> > never managed to develop them into Wiki pages. >>> > >>>-snip- >>> >>> > So I've been looking for a forum package that integrates with email >>> > lists, and FUDforum seems to meet the bill. If so, it could turn a >>> > mailing list into an easily searchable, up-to-date archive, to which you >>> > can post either by email or web access. >>>-snip- >>> >>>I'm going to contribute to this discussion, not because I have a great >>>deal of knowledge in this area, simply because I have an interest in >>>knowledge systems ... and I'm an opinionated bore ;-) >>> >>>I've got a lot out of this list over the past 18mnths simply because it >>>_IS_ so diverse. Someone's OT message may spark my interest and I'll >>>look at a web site or three that would never have come to my attention >>>before. Restrict this list to specific topic groupings and I would >>>never have that exposure because I have too much to read already and so >>>little time. On the other hand, force me to look at something and I >>>usually go "Oh yeh, that's got to be useful" or I just skip over it. As >>>for the vexed question of accessing all that unstructured and >>>(seemingly) disparate information, then all I can do is repeat that >>>well-worn phrase, "Google is your friend". I've actually ended up >>>subscribing to lists that I've never heard of after a web search led to >>>an answer on a mailing list. >>> >>>-- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Gavin Chester >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr Thu Jun 10 17:04:09 2004 From: Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr (Zouhir Hafidi) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:04:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on Ultra Sparc Message-ID: <40C89489.8040602@math.univ-lille1.fr> Hi everybody, after several weeks of compiling and fixing lbe on a SUN ultrasparc, I ended with a working solution (see the installation procedure in http://math.univ-lille1.fr/ltsp-sparc/). Soon, I will include the different steps that I followed to build ltsp from source. please can you test it and tell me if things go wrong for you ZH From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Jun 10 17:19:32 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:19:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe boot from hard-drive? In-Reply-To: <40C79E2C.5080401@physics.isu.edu> References: <003d01c44e6d$c78fac20$1803010a@paasda.org> <1086820707.30869.28.camel@localhost> <40C79E2C.5080401@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <1086887972.12395.13.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 16:33, Ben Nickell wrote: > Which tools did you use to create the partition? Just normal Linux partitioning tools, fdisk or cfdisk would work. I prefer cfdisk as it is more "visual". More detailed instructions on setting up partitions using Linux-native tools can be found here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=4 > Is there a way to non-destructively resize "other" partitions using > open source tools? (i know, could be an added benefit to remove what is > on the hard drive, but I'm stuck) You can use parted (http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html), but as always goofing with partitions can be dangerous. I haven't had a need to resize partitions in some time, but in the past I used Partition Magic. It worked really well and was inexpensive. It likely supports most Linux filesystems these days. The version I last used (maybe 6?) actually came on a bootable CD, so you could just stick the disc in and re-size stuff without having to install. Very cool indeed. > What commands did you need to install grub, etc.? If Grub is available on your Live CD of choice, you can just type the command "grub" to enter into the "grub shell" which is where you do most of the setup. More detailed instructions (which are specific to installing Gentoo, but are generally applicable) on setting up GRUB (and LILO) can be found here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=9 > I should just try this on my own and write it up, but a little more > detailed walkthrough would me help through the rough spots if you have > the time. If I have the time this weekend, I will write a little howto in the wiki, but hopefully this will get you down the road a bit. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jun 10 17:50:07 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:50:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] after boot keyboard/mouse no longer work Message-ID: <004e01c44f13$5decf600$1803010a@paasda.org> Summer is here, and I'm going through our heap of "tax write-offs" that were donated to the school. was lucky enough to get 8 machines with identical hardware configs and all that jazz... issue is ...they boot up via floppy and I get the login screen...but 1/2 way through the boot process the num-lock light on the keyboard goes out and from that point on there is no keyboard or mouse response. up until that time you can hit the num-lock key and get the visual confimation that info is go'n to and fro.. at-keyboards non-ps...and serial mice... in dos they work fine...and they work well enough to type 'n' to boot from network as well =) --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Thu Jun 10 17:54:52 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 853 unread messages... In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040610093826.027b4960@michiana.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040609083520.02a34100@michiana.org><1086778578.4716.69.ca mel@zeus.house.coronet.net><20040609014052.C246473DA9@hormel.redhat.co m><1086778578.4716.69.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net><4.3.2.7.2.20040609 083520.02a34100@michiana.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20040610093826.027b4960@michiana.org> Message-ID: <42001.216.216.171.3.1086890092.squirrel@bastion> > Drupal handles email-to-forum or forum-to-email conversions poorly. I > suspect other CMS/bb systems are similar in their inability to satisfy > both > needs. > > Tom > > At 01:45 PM 6/9/04 -0700, you wrote: >>Having spent a bit of time searching the K12OSN archives at RH I wasnt' >> at >>all impressed with its searching cabapibilities. Is there a way to mirror >>the archive so that posts to a forum would be routed to the list-serv and >>vice versa? That way we could have the best of both worlds and maybe even >>gain more users by having the forums available to subscribers much like >>this list? >>best >>Dennis >> >>Tom Brown wrote: >>>If K12OSN moves away from the listserv format, we'll probably lose >>>members. Examples: >>>1. Michiana Linux Users Group changed its web site from static pages and >>>a listserv to Drupal (CMS with forums, blogs, etc.). Some members flatly >>>refused to use the forum based, interactive site and threatened to leave >>>the organization. Apparently a significant number of folks like the >>>simple listserv format and don't want to browse for information or check >>>multiple forums. So MLUG kept the listerv intact, and it is more active >>>than the CMS forums. >>>2. The Indiana Green Party had a one-size-fits-all listserv and divided >>>it into two listservs (announce, discuss). The organization lost a large >>>percentage of its subscribers when members had to choose one, the >>> other, >>>or both lists. Change is a drop-out opportunity. >>>An advantage of the one-size-fits-all listserv is keeping local >>>searchable archives. CMS/bb systems are often full text searchable, but >>>nothing beats an off-line archive for availability and speed -- if you >>>have the local storage. >>>Tom >>>At 08:06 PM 6/9/04 +0800, you wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 18:56, John Ingleby wrote: >>>> > Interesting... this issue just came up for me, too. I've been >>>> running >>>> > www.schoolforge.org.uk for a year now, which started life as a Wiki >>>> and >>>> > is now a PostNuke site. Over that time, from various email lists, >>>> I've >>>> > accumulated lots of messages with really useful information in them, >>>> but >>>> > never managed to develop them into Wiki pages. >>>> > >>>>-snip- >>>> >>>> > So I've been looking for a forum package that integrates with email >>>> > lists, and FUDforum seems to meet the bill. If so, it could turn a >>>> > mailing list into an easily searchable, up-to-date archive, to which >>>> you >>>> > can post either by email or web access. >>>>-snip- >>>> >>>>I'm going to contribute to this discussion, not because I have a great >>>>deal of knowledge in this area, simply because I have an interest in >>>>knowledge systems ... and I'm an opinionated bore ;-) >>>> >>>>I've got a lot out of this list over the past 18mnths simply because it >>>>_IS_ so diverse. Someone's OT message may spark my interest and I'll >>>>look at a web site or three that would never have come to my attention >>>>before. Restrict this list to specific topic groupings and I would >>>>never have that exposure because I have too much to read already and so >>>>little time. On the other hand, force me to look at something and I >>>>usually go "Oh yeh, that's got to be useful" or I just skip over it. >>>> As >>>>for the vexed question of accessing all that unstructured and >>>>(seemingly) disparate information, then all I can do is repeat that >>>>well-worn phrase, "Google is your friend". I've actually ended up >>>>subscribing to lists that I've never heard of after a web search led to >>>>an answer on a mailing list. Now my $0.02 - the list can be done right. As an example, I point you to HPADMIN list - it is a straighforward list with a searchable archive that really works - you get to find stuff in individual messages by any search strings (fuzzy) imaginable. This is the best list to deal with, as you don't need anything local to get very fast search results. Google searches on K12OSN are rather horrible - this may account for many questions asked again and again. So there. julius From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Thu Jun 10 18:18:56 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:18:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba 3 database corruption Message-ID: Hi all!, Thanks for your help on deleting the 1000 users. Now I have a problem adding Windows XP to my Samba 3.0.4 domain that I use in my production network. I can add W2K machines all day long with no problems. My XP machine has the XP registry patch turning off the requirestrongkey=0 and requiresignorseal=0. What is really weird is I can add this XP machine to my imaging server which is Samba 3.0.4 Pdc which is in a different domain and the XP computer adds to the domain with no problems. Everything works fine. I was wondering is there utility to check tdb dabases make sure they are consistent or utility to check the smbpasswd file like pwck for passwd? 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Jim and I chatted just before we both left town last week, it sounded like he was quite close to having LTSP 4.1 ready. I'm sure that the standard "it will be ready when it is done" estimate still applies ;-) I'm almost at the end of the school year, so the amount of time I have for hacking on K12LTSP will go up dramatically. I have most of the work done for K12LTSP 4.1, but the testing phase can take a week or more, depending on what type of complications I run into. I've been using the K12LTSP 4.1 alpha releases quite heavily. It is using fairly recent CVS version of LTSP (think of it as LTSP 4.0.99), so I don't expect any huge issues to come up between now and the final release. I'm also considering a K12LTSP 3.1.3 and a K12LTSP 4.0.3 release. The 3.1.3 release would contain new apt, up2date, and yum packages that point to fedoralegacy.org for updates, as well as include the various updates since 3.1.2 was released. K12LTSP 4.0.3 would contain the LTSP 4.1 packages, for those who want the latest LTSP but are not brave enough to update to FC2. The K12LTSP 3.1.x and 4.0.x releases are very solid, I want to make sure that people feel that they are not forced to make the huge jump to the FC2 based K12LTSP 4.1.... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Jun 10 20:02:23 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:02:23 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Samba/LDAP how-to In-Reply-To: <004b01c44efb$e8898160$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <004b01c44efb$e8898160$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1086897743.17134.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 12:02, Huck wrote: > Here ya go Tim. Thanks Huck and Caleb. I don't read all the messages as I am mostly interested in things related to Etherboot or network cards so I must have gotten delete happy... Tim From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jun 10 20:39:18 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:39:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 In-Reply-To: <1086897177.2265.76.camel@server.ltsp> References: <40C7F877.4040703@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <1086897177.2265.76.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: > >Well, I won't even think about putting out an official release until >LTSP 4.1 is officially released. Jim and I chatted just before we both >left town last week, it sounded like he was quite close to having >LTSP 4.1 ready. I'm sure that the standard "it will be ready when it >is done" estimate still applies ;-) Eric, Just curious...what's new and cool in LTSP 4.1? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Jun 10 20:51:55 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:51:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] user desktops In-Reply-To: <30C526FE-BAEC-11D8-90CE-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <30C526FE-BAEC-11D8-90CE-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <1086900715.12392.31.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 07:41, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > All users will have access to the web and mail, but only certain users > will have access to ripping CD's. What is the best way of setting this > up. A couple of possibilities exist, the best answer depends on other aspects of your situation. You coould: 1- Disable read access to the CD-ROM devices by changing the permissions on them. This wouldn't work well, however, if the email/web people would be allowed to use the CD-ROM for anything else. However, this is pretty much unbeatable, as far as I know. 2- Disable access to the installed ripping programs by changing the permissions on the executables. This obviously is a more focused control, but it would be possible to end-run around it by installing a ripping program into the home directory and running it from there. If your users are not that sophisticated or persistent, this may be a non-issue. For the best, simplest results, make sure you target the back-end programs (cdparanoia,oggenc, etc) rather than the front-end ones (Sound Juicer, GRIP, etc..) 3- Do (2) and also disable executables within the home directory to stop the end-run mentioned above. I don't know the details of this or all it's (quite far-reaching, potentially) implications, but I imagine it could be handled through changing the umask setting in /etc/profile. Can anyone more knowledgeable in this area comment? There are other ways I can think of that might work, but these three seem to be the most practical. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From lewis at pcc.com Thu Jun 10 20:57:15 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:57:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What may have changed? Message-ID: Hi all, Yesterday I had a perfectly functioning LTSP server. Today my thin clients hang when trying to start X. They get as far as the grey screen and the X cursor for the mouse, but I never get the login. I am using a standard LTSP server except dhcpd is disabled as I already have a dhcp server on the network. As a result it has been necessary to update the following files to match the 10.0.0.0 IP scheme currently used. /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit /etc/exports the dhcpd.conf file has not been changed since yesterday. but I did run yum update this afternoon to bring things up to date. Any guidance would be great. Thanks Lewis From dalen at czexan.net Thu Jun 10 21:11:18 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:11:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What may have changed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C8CE76.9020808@czexan.net> Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Yesterday I had a perfectly functioning LTSP server. Today my thin > clients hang when trying to start X. They get as far as the grey screen > and the X cursor for the mouse, but I never get the login. I am using a > but I did run yum update this afternoon to bring things up to date. Any > guidance would be great. Lewis, I'm no X expert, but I know that yum keeps a log of what was updated in /var/log/yum.log You may want to look there for clues. Thanks, Dale From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Jun 10 21:12:00 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:12:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 In-Reply-To: <1086897177.2265.76.camel@server.ltsp> References: <40C7F877.4040703@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <1086897177.2265.76.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40C8CEA0.9080100@magic.fr> > I'm also considering a K12LTSP 3.1.3 and a K12LTSP 4.0.3 release. The 3.1.3 > release would contain new apt, up2date, and yum packages that point to > fedoralegacy.org for updates, as well as include the various updates since > 3.1.2 was released. K12LTSP 4.0.3 would contain the LTSP 4.1 packages, for > those who want the latest LTSP but are not brave enough to update to FC2. > > The K12LTSP 3.1.x and 4.0.x releases are very solid, I want to make sure > that people feel that they are not forced to make the huge jump to the > FC2 based K12LTSP 4.1.... > > > -Eric Thank you, Eric! I've been using 3.1 quite happily, the new apt and yum packages would be nice... but I would upgrade in a heartbeat if there was better GUI controls for configuring older monitors! Is there anything like that in the new packages? We had tried LTSP 4 on my existing network and lost usage of half of my old monitors; they work fine with 3.1. My Principal has given me the green light on another K12ltsp lab but it'll be nothing but 14" and 15" monitors and dumpster CPUs. A local business offered twenty old working monitors, enough for the new lab. The new PXEs.iso < http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ > is looking very promising for older NIC cards etc. but the manual monitor config still causes brain damage ;) especially when there is a room full of 'em. I read up a bit not heard anything about X.org and its ability to handle older monitor refresh rates. Have you heard or seen anything about X.org and older monitors? all the best, Dennis From lewis at pcc.com Thu Jun 10 21:12:42 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:12:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What may have changed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nevermind. Apparently I needed to update /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x3_cfg and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg. Which is strange as I did not have to do this on tuesday to have X working. Following up however. Can I prevent this files from getting changed in the future? Lewis On Jun 10, 2004, at 4:57 PM, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Hi all, > > Yesterday I had a perfectly functioning LTSP server. Today my thin > clients hang when trying to start X. They get as far as the grey > screen and the X cursor for the mouse, but I never get the login. I am > using a standard LTSP server except dhcpd is disabled as I already > have a dhcp server on the network. As a result it has been necessary > to update the following files to match the 10.0.0.0 IP scheme > currently used. > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit > /etc/exports > > the dhcpd.conf file has not been changed since yesterday. > > but I did run yum update this afternoon to bring things up to date. > Any guidance would be great. > > Thanks > > Lewis > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lewis at pcc.com Thu Jun 10 21:28:05 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:28:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What may have changed? In-Reply-To: <40C8CE76.9020808@czexan.net> References: <40C8CE76.9020808@czexan.net> Message-ID: <0FB0263B-BB25-11D8-90CE-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Another good pointer, that upon review tells me k12ltps-release 4.0.1-1 Thanks Lewis On Jun 10, 2004, at 5:11 PM, dalen wrote: > Lewis Holcroft wrote: >> Yesterday I had a perfectly functioning LTSP server. Today my thin >> clients hang when trying to start X. They get as far as the grey >> screen and the X cursor for the mouse, but I never get the login. I >> am using a > >> but I did run yum update this afternoon to bring things up to date. >> Any guidance would be great. > Lewis, > I'm no X expert, but I know that yum keeps a log of what was updated > in /var/log/yum.log You may want to look there for clues. > > Thanks, > > Dale > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From troybanther at plateautel.net Thu Jun 10 21:32:07 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:32:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I wish I were graphically creative enough Message-ID: <1086903127.10334.8.camel@supervisor> I was over at Groklaw getting a couple of laughs at the latest legal news for SCOG. Then I got a visual of Tux roasting a little fish, with the letters SCO on its side, over an open pit fire. There was also a larger fish in the background with the letters M$ hanging off a hook and a terrified look in its eye. I wish I were graphically creative enough to draw this. -- troy banther - avid linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com ---- Personal views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, non-linear thinking, vegan food preferences, active non-violence, compassionate living, or anything else I might infer are mine only. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own. ------------------------------------------------------ From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Jun 10 21:42:29 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:42:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello Eric, I'm also considering a K12LTSP 3.1.3 and a K12LTSP 4.0.3 release. The 3.1.3 release would contain new apt, up2date, and yum packages that point to fedoralegacy.org for updates, as well as include the various updates since 3.1.2 was released. K12LTSP 4.0.3 would contain the LTSP 4.1 packages, for those who want the latest LTSP but are not brave enough to update to FC2. The K12LTSP 3.1.x and 4.0.x releases are very solid, I want to make sure that people feel that they are not forced to make the huge jump to the FC2 based K12LTSP 4.1.... This would be awesome, Eric. My 3.1.2 is running so great, I've been considering just leaving it for the next school year. The only reason I had commented about moving up was to get the new OpenOffice rpms. OO1.1.1x is now just as good as Start7, and there are no manual installs the students need to do. If you could release the 3.1.3, I'ld be grateful. Jim _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Jun 10 21:43:50 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:43:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] sorry about the "no subject about 3.1.3 possible release" Message-ID: sorry about the "no subject about 3.1.3 possible release" _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 10 23:54:58 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:54:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] package request: msttcorefonts Message-ID: <1086911697.2387.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> In the next release could the clever "get.package" method be used to allow installing the fonts Microsoft once released using the technique at: http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/? (It's basically a .spec file that builds your own RPM by getting the fonts in the .exe file that can be redistributed and extracting them locally). I've noticed some web sites look a lot better with these installed. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From julius at turtle.com Fri Jun 11 00:06:13 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 In-Reply-To: <40C8CEA0.9080100@magic.fr> Message-ID: > > I'm also considering a K12LTSP 3.1.3 and a K12LTSP 4.0.3 release. The 3.1.3 > > release would contain new apt, up2date, and yum packages that point to > > fedoralegacy.org for updates, as well as include the various updates since > > 3.1.2 was released. K12LTSP 4.0.3 would contain the LTSP 4.1 packages, for > > those who want the latest LTSP but are not brave enough to update to FC2. > > > > The K12LTSP 3.1.x and 4.0.x releases are very solid, I want to make sure > > that people feel that they are not forced to make the huge jump to the > > FC2 based K12LTSP 4.1.... > > > > > > -Eric Eric, as silly as it might seem, would you consider your 3.1.3a *with* ltsp 4.1? I seem to have no problems on multiuser servers or laptops as long as i run pre-fedora stuff. new ltsp is just fine and dandy, actually it is very, very good, julius From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 11 00:24:50 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> > I'm also considering a K12LTSP 3.1.3 and a K12LTSP 4.0.3 release. The 3.1.3 >> > release would contain new apt, up2date, and yum packages that point to >> > fedoralegacy.org for updates, as well as include the various updates since >> > 3.1.2 was released. K12LTSP 4.0.3 would contain the LTSP 4.1 packages, for >> > those who want the latest LTSP but are not brave enough to update to FC2. >> > >> > The K12LTSP 3.1.x and 4.0.x releases are very solid, I want to make sure >> > that people feel that they are not forced to make the huge jump to the >> > FC2 based K12LTSP 4.1.... >> > >> > >> > -Eric > >Eric, as silly as it might seem, would you consider your 3.1.3a *with* >ltsp 4.1? I seem to have no problems on multiuser servers or laptops as >long as i run pre-fedora stuff. new ltsp is just fine and dandy, actually >it is very, very good, >julius I thought about that, but I think it would be a good idea to put out a 3.1.4 after LTSP 4.1 is past its shake-down period. I *really* like the idea of moving as slowly as possible with the older, known stable builds. That said, it won't be a problem for me to make the LTSP 4.1 packages available for K12LTSP 3.1.x. I can make it an "add on" until I feel comfortable merging it into K12LTSP 3.1.x (where x > 3 ;-). This also affects people using RHEL 3.0, WBEL, etc. -Eric From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Jun 11 00:46:09 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:46:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Sound cards Message-ID: <40C900D1.8000604@elp.rr.com> I have 8 terminals all with different types and brands of sound cards. Is it possible to place enteries in the lts.conf or other file that will cause the xmms and other audio programs to function properly in each terminal? If this is possible how do I go about doing it and where can I find more info on the process. My server is running K12LTSP 4.01. Thanks Pat From g92470176 at csie.ntnu.edu.tw Fri Jun 11 01:28:14 2004 From: g92470176 at csie.ntnu.edu.tw (howie) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:28:14 +0800 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [K12OSN] Terminal Sound cards References: <40C900D1.8000604@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <000601c44f53$5e38d800$a0b97a8c@howie> hi You can enabel esound on lts.conf ,and It will auto dectect your sound cards. If auto dectect script cannot find your sound card ,you may have to check audio dvevice list in /opt/ltsp/etc/ . You also want to have full audio function ,such as mixer dsp....etc. . I think you can find some solution in thoses web site http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue95/lg_bytes.html MuNAS MuNAS is a piece of software which addresses the problem that the X Window system does not support the handling of audio data. It allows the thin-client/server computing model in Linux to handle multimedia applications: the audio data generated by Open Sound System (OSS/Free) compatible audio applications which are executed in the terminal server can be transferred to X-terminals. Thus, with MuNAS installed, you can execute multimedia applications in the terminal server and listen to the sound from your X-terminal. Currently, several manufactures of windows terminal are planning to install the MuNAS in their X-terminals. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P. Conlon" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Sound cards > I have 8 terminals all with different types and brands of sound cards. > Is it possible to place enteries in the lts.conf or other file that will > cause the xmms and other audio programs to function properly in each > terminal? If this is possible how do I go about doing it and where can > I find more info on the process. My server is running K12LTSP 4.01. > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 11 01:52:12 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] package request: msttcorefonts In-Reply-To: <1086911697.2387.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: >In the next release could the clever "get.package" method be >used to allow installing the fonts Microsoft once released >using the technique at: http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/? >(It's basically a .spec file that builds your own RPM by >getting the fonts in the .exe file that can be redistributed >and extracting them locally). I've noticed some web sites look >a lot better with these installed. Yeah, that would be easy to do. Perhaps I should say it *was* easy to do, I already build a K12LTSP 4.1 version to test it out. I'll try to get K12LTSP 3.1 & 4.0 packages built tonight, time permitting. -Eric From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jun 11 03:01:47 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:01:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Repository for FC2 and K12LTSP 4.1? Message-ID: Is there a repository for K12LTSP 4.1 and FC2? I'm thinking of putting FC2 on my laptop and would like some of the packages via apt or yum David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robark at telus.net Fri Jun 11 03:12:57 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:12:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repost: KStars downloaded images blank In-Reply-To: <200406042345.51392.robark@telus.net> References: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> <40C12CD7.50605@cmosnetworks.com> <200406042345.51392.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <200406102012.57277.robark@telus.net> ***** Has anyone gotten KStars show image to work on a client ? ******* Update: I stuck in a S3 virge gx2 and the same problem persists. I asked a friend about this and he asked a friend and he replied: =========================================== - This sort of problem is often due to inadequate support for graphics acceleration. KStars as provided by Debian is dynamically linked to the GL libraries. Perhaps he should check what package he's using to provide libGL on his server; in an LTSP setup, something software-only like mesag3 might be worth trying. - FWIW, I tried running KStars through an SSH tunnel (a possibly similar scenario) and did observe the problem described (but with the DSS query feature - a star with the SEDS option wasn't immediately handy): image downloaded but only a blank image-viewer window appearing. At the time the image-viewer window appeared I got the following errors on the console: kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) \x0a Major opcode: \x92 kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter) \xab Major opcode: \x92 kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter) \xab Major opcode: \x92 ============================================ I can't figure out why KStars would need opengl support when it's only displaying jpg's and gif's. ***** Has anyone gotten KStars show image to work on a client ? ******* Robert Arkiletian On Friday 04 June 2004 11:45 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Well all 30 of them use nvidia riva 128's but I do have a S3 trio64+ and an > old matrox sitting around. Thanks for the idea Terrell. I will pop out an > nvidia card on one of them and test it out on monday. But I doubt it will > make any difference because if I SAVE the image with KStars I can then view > it with any image viewer (gimp, eog, web browsers). It's a real showstopper > if you have to save and then open the image with another viewer though. I > still think it has something to do with kdeinit and/or the XF86config > settings in lts.conf. What I am looking for from this listserve is just > some people to take a couple of seconds and try KStars from a client and > see if they experience the same problem. > If they do, then I'm going to contact the developers and see if I can > report it as a bug. > > Thanks for your reply Terrell, I appreciate it. > > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary > > On Friday 04 June 2004 7:15 pm, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > Do you by any chance have a thin client with any other type of video > > card? You're right; if they're just GIFs and JPEGs, they should display > > just fine. Also, if you go Web surfing on your clients, do the GIFs and > > JPEGs display properly? When you save these images from within KStars, > > can you view them with, say, Kuickshow, Electric Eyes, or The GIMP on > > your clients? > > > > --TP > > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > >Right clicking on a heavenly body in KStars will usually bring up the > > > "Show SEDS image" option. The image downloads but it will not display > > > with KStars. The image window is blank. > > > > > >I can save the image okay, though. This problem only exists on my > > > clients. They are all nvidia riva 128's. However, on the server which > > > has an on board ATI rage pro chip the images appear properly > > > (regardless if I log in as root or a user). However, on the clients, > > > even as root I do not get an image (just black space in the image > > > window) > > > > > >So it's not a permission problem. I figure it must be a problem with > > >XF86Config for the clients and server being different. > > > > > >I have enabled 24 bit color (as the riva 128 can't do 16 with xfree86 > > > 4.3) and set XSERVER = auto in lts.conf. I even tried XSERVER = nv, no > > > luck. The damn images are just gif's and jpg's. Any video card should > > > be able to display them. > > > > > >I looked at top (interactive A option) and I found the program was > > >----------kdeinit------------ that was trying to display the images. > > >I don't know anything about kdeinit but it must somehow call an image > > > viewing mechanism. Somehow the client xserver is not able to display > > > the downloaded image with kdeinit. > > > > > >Can someone try to view these celestial SEDS images on their clients and > > >confirm this behavior??? KStars is an awsome program worth the effort. > > > > > >Do I need any modules loaded with Xfree86? Anyone have any ideas to > > > solve this issue. > > > > > >BTW I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 > > > > > >Robert Arkiletian > > >Eric Hamber Secondary > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 11 03:28:49 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Repository for FC2 and K12LTSP 4.1? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, David Trask wrote: >Is there a repository for K12LTSP 4.1 and FC2? I'm thinking of putting >FC2 on my laptop and would like some of the packages via apt or yum Yum: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/fc2/ Apt: rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ yum/fc2 k12ltsp os updates non-free extras -Eric From robark at telus.net Fri Jun 11 03:33:18 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:33:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ReiserFS vs ext3 ? Message-ID: <200406102033.18882.robark@telus.net> >From what I've read ReiserFS should be much faster with K12LTSP. Anyone have personal experience using 4.01 (FC1) with ReiserFS ? 3.1.2 (Redhat 9) does not have ReiserFS. Robert Arkiletian From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 11 04:25:32 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ReiserFS vs ext3 ? In-Reply-To: <200406102033.18882.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>From what I've read ReiserFS should be much faster with K12LTSP. Anyone have >personal experience using 4.01 (FC1) with ReiserFS ? >3.1.2 (Redhat 9) does not have ReiserFS. IIRC, RH9 does have ReiserFS. When you start an install, at the boot prompt type "linux reiserfs" and it will let you format a partition as ReiserFS. Same trick works with "linux xfs" and/or "linux jfs" as well (I can't remember which fs is supported in which distro version) I've had VERY BAD EXPERIENCES with reiserfs 3... so I personally discourage people from using it on mission critical partitions. It is not that reiserfs is unstable or buggy or anything nasty like that, it is just that if something *DOES* go wrong, it will go *REALLY* wrong. I've never been successful in recovering a corrupted reiserfs partition. -Eric From robark at telus.net Fri Jun 11 07:01:13 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:01:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ReiserFS vs ext3 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406110001.13542.robark@telus.net> I've hosed my ReiserFS on my personal box REALLY badly by enabling dma for a stupid promise ultra66 controller. The super block was corrupted. I recovered using Knoppix and mounting my corrupted root partition with write access and then using reiserfsck and it was able to rebuild my super block. Once I hosed it so bad I had to rebuild the sb from the leaf nodes (the entire filesystem tree) Anyway I found Knoppix to be an excellent method of saving a corrupted ReiserFS partition. Robert Arkiletian On Thursday 10 June 2004 9:25 pm, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >>From what I've read ReiserFS should be much faster with K12LTSP. Anyone > >> have > > > >personal experience using 4.01 (FC1) with ReiserFS ? > >3.1.2 (Redhat 9) does not have ReiserFS. > > IIRC, RH9 does have ReiserFS. When you start an install, at the boot > prompt type "linux reiserfs" and it will let you format a partition > as ReiserFS. Same trick works with "linux xfs" and/or "linux jfs" as > well (I can't remember which fs is supported in which distro version) > > I've had VERY BAD EXPERIENCES with reiserfs 3... so I personally > discourage people from using it on mission critical partitions. > It is not that reiserfs is unstable or buggy or anything nasty > like that, it is just that if something *DOES* go wrong, it will > go *REALLY* wrong. I've never been successful in recovering a > corrupted reiserfs partition. > > -Eric From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Fri Jun 11 07:51:57 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:51:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] New GPL gui management client for LTSP Message-ID: <200406110851.58852.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This looks good!!! http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5910415040.html - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAyWSdeWseh9tzvqgRAtrCAJ42do49dju3gW/nfLmxg5+vgOzBSwCdGfBP 3ipa7ZiPJ1y0fW8HniPV9Jw= =vLBY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Jun 11 08:10:48 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:10:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] New GPL gui management client for LTSP References: <200406110851.58852.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <007601c44f8b$9ad64a80$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List... Just for the ppl that cant find it or cant be bothered to 'Google' for it... here is the link to the softwear... http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=20&MMN_position=77:77 http://www.thesymbiont.com/ Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Henry" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: [K12OSN] New GPL gui management client for LTSP > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > This looks good!!! > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5910415040.html > > - -- > Kind Regards, > > Gavin Henry. > Managing Director. > > T +44 (0) 1224 587369 > M +44 (0) 7930 323266 > F +44 (0) 1224 742001 > E ghenry at suretecsystems.com > > Open Source. Open Solutions. > > http://www.suretecsystems.com/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAyWSdeWseh9tzvqgRAtrCAJ42do49dju3gW/nfLmxg5+vgOzBSwCdGfBP > 3ipa7ZiPJ1y0fW8HniPV9Jw= > =vLBY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Fri Jun 11 08:18:39 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:18:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] New GPL gui management client for LTSP In-Reply-To: <007601c44f8b$9ad64a80$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <200406110851.58852.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <007601c44f8b$9ad64a80$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <200406110918.41055.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 11 June 2004 09:10, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi List... > > Just for the ppl that cant find it or cant be bothered to 'Google' for > it... here is the link to the softwear... > > http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_pa >ge&PAGE_id=20&MMN_position=77:77 http://www.thesymbiont.com/ > > > Sorry, yeah that's the link. - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAyWrfeWseh9tzvqgRAjsmAJ980jA+gmKoISTzk+Re+EWFMF1p4ACdHUXP y7g32wjkgdfBh7rFgmBuVj4= =k9bk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Jun 11 09:42:40 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:42:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] XDCMP through a Firewall Message-ID: <001201c44f98$6fd5c380$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All.... I have been 'Google'ing for a short wile on how I can get and XDCMP session to run from a PXES boot cd from the PXES Project @ http://pxes.sf.net through our Firewall here... I have all the XDCMP options set on the server & running fine. but I cant work out which ports I will need to forward... I now 177 is the XDCMP port but with this forwarded it still doesn't seem to work... Has anyone got any quick tips that may help ? Or has anyone already done this in a similar way ? Thank for any help... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From postmaster at aimschool.ac.th Fri Jun 11 09:52:26 2004 From: postmaster at aimschool.ac.th (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:52:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] hangs when loading mknbi-1.4.0 Message-ID: <40C980DA.7070108@aimschool.ac.th> Hi, I am having problem with this, when message "Loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp" ... done. but after that it will hangs, what is happening? Thanks From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Jun 11 10:08:29 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:08:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ReiserFS vs ext3 ? In-Reply-To: <200406102033.18882.robark@telus.net> References: <200406102033.18882.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <20040611100829.GD1005@wizzy.com> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > From what I've read ReiserFS should be much faster with K12LTSP. Anyone have > personal experience using 4.01 (FC1) with ReiserFS ? > 3.1.2 (Redhat 9) does not have ReiserFS. RH9 and FC1 both had reiserfs, they were both 'hidden'. I used it successfully with kickstart though. I use wwwoffle - an offline web cache, whose performance improved significantly with reiserfs (1000's of little files per directory). However, I have now moved to Whitebox linux ( http://whiteboxlinux.org ) as my preferred operating system (a clone of Redhat Enterprise) because I was getting tired of constant OS and library updates. To my chagrin, reiserfs is not supported by RHEL, though I could compile my own kernel. [ My single datapoint .. on a school Thin Client network, but not K12LTSP ] Anyone else have opinions on the use of 'bleeding edge' distributions (Fedora) in what I view as a production environment ? Cheers, Andy! From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Jun 11 10:07:02 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:07:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] package request: msttcorefonts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C98446.1090709@snet.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > > >>In the next release could the clever "get.package" method be >>used to allow installing the fonts Microsoft once released >>using the technique at: http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/? >>(It's basically a .spec file that builds your own RPM by >>getting the fonts in the .exe file that can be redistributed >>and extracting them locally). I've noticed some web sites look >>a lot better with these installed. > > > Yeah, that would be easy to do. Perhaps I should say it *was* > easy to do, I already build a K12LTSP 4.1 version to test it out. > > I'll try to get K12LTSP 3.1 & 4.0 packages built tonight, time > permitting. > > -Eric > Would doing this make those fonts available to the Gimp? I have difficulty installing new fonts for Gimp, although I have hundreds of groovy fonts working in OOo, KWord, Abi, et al. I would like those groovy fonts available for the Gimp, but when I tried to make it so, before, I somehow hosed the fontserver and had to undo my work, if you all recall. I had followed directions on an aged howto I found. tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jun 11 11:08:23 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:08:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Repost: KStars downloaded images blank In-Reply-To: <200406102012.57277.robark@telus.net> References: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> <40C12CD7.50605@cmosnetworks.com> <200406042345.51392.robark@telus.net> <200406102012.57277.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <40C992A7.7080902@cmosnetworks.com> I'll try it out this weekend and let you know what I find; I've got a server box handy that I can use for this purpose. I've just been so swamped this last week, otherwise I'd have this done for you by now. --TP Robert Arkiletian wrote: >***** Has anyone gotten KStars show image to work on a client ? ******* > >Update: >I stuck in a S3 virge gx2 and the same problem persists. I asked a friend >about this and he asked a friend and he replied: >=========================================== >- This sort of problem is often due to inadequate support for graphics >acceleration. KStars as provided by Debian is dynamically linked to the >GL libraries. Perhaps he should check what package he's using to provide >libGL on his server; in an LTSP setup, something software-only like mesag3 >might be worth trying. > >- FWIW, I tried running KStars through an SSH tunnel (a possibly similar >scenario) and did observe the problem described (but with the DSS query >feature - a star with the SEDS option wasn't immediately handy): image >downloaded but only a blank image-viewer window appearing. At the time >the image-viewer window appeared I got the following errors on the >console: > >kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private >resource denied) \x0a > Major opcode: \x92 >kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment >parameter) \xab > Major opcode: \x92 >kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment >parameter) \xab > Major opcode: \x92 >============================================ > >I can't figure out why KStars would need opengl support when it's only >displaying jpg's and gif's. > >***** Has anyone gotten KStars show image to work on a client ? ******* > >Robert Arkiletian > >On Friday 04 June 2004 11:45 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > >>Well all 30 of them use nvidia riva 128's but I do have a S3 trio64+ and an >>old matrox sitting around. Thanks for the idea Terrell. I will pop out an >>nvidia card on one of them and test it out on monday. But I doubt it will >>make any difference because if I SAVE the image with KStars I can then view >>it with any image viewer (gimp, eog, web browsers). It's a real showstopper >>if you have to save and then open the image with another viewer though. I >>still think it has something to do with kdeinit and/or the XF86config >>settings in lts.conf. What I am looking for from this listserve is just >>some people to take a couple of seconds and try KStars from a client and >>see if they experience the same problem. >>If they do, then I'm going to contact the developers and see if I can >>report it as a bug. >> >>Thanks for your reply Terrell, I appreciate it. >> >>Robert Arkiletian >>Eric Hamber Secondary >> >>On Friday 04 June 2004 7:15 pm, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >> >> >>>Do you by any chance have a thin client with any other type of video >>>card? You're right; if they're just GIFs and JPEGs, they should display >>>just fine. Also, if you go Web surfing on your clients, do the GIFs and >>>JPEGs display properly? When you save these images from within KStars, >>>can you view them with, say, Kuickshow, Electric Eyes, or The GIMP on >>>your clients? >>> >>>--TP >>> >>>Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Right clicking on a heavenly body in KStars will usually bring up the >>>>"Show SEDS image" option. The image downloads but it will not display >>>>with KStars. The image window is blank. >>>> >>>>I can save the image okay, though. This problem only exists on my >>>>clients. They are all nvidia riva 128's. However, on the server which >>>>has an on board ATI rage pro chip the images appear properly >>>>(regardless if I log in as root or a user). However, on the clients, >>>>even as root I do not get an image (just black space in the image >>>>window) >>>> >>>>So it's not a permission problem. I figure it must be a problem with >>>>XF86Config for the clients and server being different. >>>> >>>>I have enabled 24 bit color (as the riva 128 can't do 16 with xfree86 >>>>4.3) and set XSERVER = auto in lts.conf. I even tried XSERVER = nv, no >>>>luck. The damn images are just gif's and jpg's. Any video card should >>>>be able to display them. >>>> >>>>I looked at top (interactive A option) and I found the program was >>>>----------kdeinit------------ that was trying to display the images. >>>>I don't know anything about kdeinit but it must somehow call an image >>>>viewing mechanism. Somehow the client xserver is not able to display >>>>the downloaded image with kdeinit. >>>> >>>>Can someone try to view these celestial SEDS images on their clients and >>>>confirm this behavior??? KStars is an awsome program worth the effort. >>>> >>>>Do I need any modules loaded with Xfree86? Anyone have any ideas to >>>>solve this issue. >>>> >>>>BTW I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 >>>> >>>>Robert Arkiletian >>>>Eric Hamber Secondary >>>> >>>> >>>> From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jun 11 11:09:33 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:09:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XDCMP through a Firewall In-Reply-To: <001201c44f98$6fd5c380$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <001201c44f98$6fd5c380$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <40C992ED.1050901@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Gavin, Any particular reason why you need to forward XDMCP through a firewall? Usually, X11 is never run across the Internet for security reasons; it's generally kept to the trusted network. --TP Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi All.... > > I have been 'Google'ing for a short wile on how I can get and > XDCMP session to run from a PXES boot cd from the PXES > Project @ http://pxes.sf.net through our Firewall here... > I have all the XDCMP options set on the server & running fine. > but I cant work out which ports I will need to forward... > I now 177 is the XDCMP port but with this forwarded it still > doesn't seem to work... > > Has anyone got any quick tips that may help ? Or has anyone > already done this in a similar way ? > > Thank for any help... > > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jun 11 11:30:23 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:30:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ReiserFS vs ext3 ? In-Reply-To: <20040611100829.GD1005@wizzy.com> References: <200406102033.18882.robark@telus.net> <20040611100829.GD1005@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <40C997CF.5060903@cmosnetworks.com> Andy Rabagliati wrote: >[ My single datapoint .. on a school Thin Client network, but not K12LTSP ] > >Anyone else have opinions on the use of 'bleeding edge' distributions >(Fedora) in what I view as a production environment ? > >Cheers, Andy! > > Indeed, I do. My philosophy is: don't do this unless you really do have no other choice. No, I haven't yet upgraded my K12LTSP 2.1.2 server, other than security fixes; it's in production and working just fine, thank you. As the SMP issues with Fedora Core 1 showed, and some of the reports I'm hearing with Fedora Core 2 are indicating, running bleeding-edge stuff in a production environment makes sense only if you're Microsoft testing you latest alpha/beta code, and you have major, major funding for both system administration and software development right there on your corporate campus, as they do. Otherwise, no way; people need to actually get work done and trust that the technology (a tool, remember) will do what they need it to do. There is a reason why Julius runs that HP-UX dinosaur in his shop. It works. It's also why both Trustix and Red Hat, for their server distros, stick w/ the 2.4 kernel; it works and is proven. Even SuSE sticks with proven code for their enterprise server distro. The only reason we run "T" releases of Cisco IOS on some of our routers is because we need CDP across ATM, otherwise we'd never do that. We're moving to TLS in a year or two anyway, and when that happens, we can cut out this "T" code business. That said, have a blast in your test environment with the latest stuff and submit bug reports. You bet! :-) --TP From sjsj at freespace.net Fri Jun 11 12:55:21 2004 From: sjsj at freespace.net (Steve) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:55:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] New GPL gui management client for LTSP In-Reply-To: <200406110851.58852.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <200406110851.58852.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <40C9ABB9.2050702@freespace.net> How about this article? HP and Dell trying to do away with diskless client PC donations for schools. http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4964141825.html Steve Gavin Henry wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > This looks good!!! > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5910415040.html > > - -- > Kind Regards, > > Gavin Henry. > Managing Director. > > T +44 (0) 1224 587369 > M +44 (0) 7930 323266 > F +44 (0) 1224 742001 > E ghenry at suretecsystems.com > > Open Source. Open Solutions. > > http://www.suretecsystems.com/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAyWSdeWseh9tzvqgRAtrCAJ42do49dju3gW/nfLmxg5+vgOzBSwCdGfBP > 3ipa7ZiPJ1y0fW8HniPV9Jw= > =vLBY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 13:09:44 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (xyz xyz) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Users Message-ID: <20040611130944.39299.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> posted this a few days ago with no response - can anyone help me. ........... I have one machine with k12OS running as samba server and another machine running K12LTSP as terminal server. I intend to add all users to the samba server and then copy passwd, group and shadow files over to terminal server on a daily/twice daily cron job. I too hope to use some kind of text file containing first name and last name and SIN# which will extract a username and password from this data and add these users in one shot. Different text files for different groups would be useful i assume. The thing is, a smbpasswd entry needs to be made too - is there a way to do this in one shot. really new to all this __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Jun 11 13:15:53 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:15:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New GPL gui management client for LTSP In-Reply-To: <007601c44f8b$9ad64a80$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <200406110851.58852.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <007601c44f8b$9ad64a80$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <49299.170.211.161.253.1086959753.squirrel@170.211.161.253> I downloaded the rpm and it won't install on WBEL. Says it can't determine the linux version.. -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Fri Jun 11 13:06:24 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:06:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Users Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B81@ILFGEXC> try this http://www.rt.com/man/newusers.8.html -----Original Message----- From: xyz xyz [mailto:babaliciouse at yahoo.com] Sent: 11 June 2004 14:10 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Users posted this a few days ago with no response - can anyone help me. ........... I have one machine with k12OS running as samba server and another machine running K12LTSP as terminal server. I intend to add all users to the samba server and then copy passwd, group and shadow files over to terminal server on a daily/twice daily cron job. I too hope to use some kind of text file containing first name and last name and SIN# which will extract a username and password from this data and add these users in one shot. Different text files for different groups would be useful i assume. The thing is, a smbpasswd entry needs to be made too - is there a way to do this in one shot. really new to all this __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. 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From faengoy at yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 13:41:15 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Samba / LTSP syncing In-Reply-To: <20040611131610.95EED7392E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040611134115.10375.qmail@web20724.mail.yahoo.com> Well, I would suggest using Webmin to sync the samba and Unix users, and the webmin-cluster to make sure that all users are in sync across both machines. Seems the simplest method Dan ------------Original Message------------ I have one machine with k12OS running as samba server and another machine running K12LTSP as terminal server. I intend to add all users to the samba server and then copy passwd, group and shadow files over to terminal server on a daily/twice daily cron job. I too hope to use some kind of text file containing first name and last name and SIN# which will extract a username and password from this data and add these users in one shot. Different text files for different groups would be useful i assume. The thing is, a smbpasswd entry needs to be made too - is there a way to do this in one shot. really new to all this ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jun 11 14:42:21 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:42:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ReiserFS vs ext3 ? In-Reply-To: <200406102033.18882.robark@telus.net> References: <200406102033.18882.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <1086964941.12608.8.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 20:33, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >From what I've read ReiserFS should be much faster with K12LTSP. Anyone have > personal experience using 4.01 (FC1) with ReiserFS ? > 3.1.2 (Redhat 9) does not have ReiserFS. I've gotten to the point that I use Reiser for just about everything. The performance is noticeably better than with EXT3 on a system that is heavily loaded. I can't speak to Eric's point about things going way wrong when they go wrong, as I've never had anything go wrong involving Reiser. One thing to note, however, is that it is pretty inefficient in its use of space on small partitions. I still do my /boot partitions EXT2 for that reason. A couple data points: -Firewall / file server for a business in CO - Lightly loaded, been running on Reiser for 7 months. No problems. -LTSP machine at my last district - Heavily loaded, been running Reiser (I think) for over / about a year, no problems up to the point I left there in March, and none that I know of since. -Firewall/Router/Web Cache, Web Server, and DB server for my previous district - The firewall machine was _very_ heavily loaded, the others lightly. All running for two years at the time I left on reiser with no problems, and none I know of since. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jun 11 15:00:24 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:00:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ReiserFS vs ext3 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c44fc4$d313efe0$1803010a@paasda.org> There was an article on this topic http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html a month or so ago that gave a side-by-side comparison under a variety of "stress tests" on ext2, ext3, reiser, XFS and JFS...and the results really were shocking as ext2 actually outperformed both reiser and ext3 in 1 or 2 of the tests. Most of the other "winning results" were split between ext3 and reiser, depending on what specificially was being done, reading small vs. large chunks of data, moving data from 1 location to another, deleting data, etc... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:26 PM To: robark at telus.net; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ReiserFS vs ext3 ? On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>From what I've read ReiserFS should be much faster with K12LTSP. >>Anyone have >personal experience using 4.01 (FC1) with ReiserFS ? >3.1.2 (Redhat 9) does not have ReiserFS. IIRC, RH9 does have ReiserFS. When you start an install, at the boot prompt type "linux reiserfs" and it will let you format a partition as ReiserFS. Same trick works with "linux xfs" and/or "linux jfs" as well (I can't remember which fs is supported in which distro version) I've had VERY BAD EXPERIENCES with reiserfs 3... so I personally discourage people from using it on mission critical partitions. It is not that reiserfs is unstable or buggy or anything nasty like that, it is just that if something *DOES* go wrong, it will go *REALLY* wrong. I've never been successful in recovering a corrupted reiserfs partition. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jimandkelly at younkin.com Fri Jun 11 15:18:07 2004 From: jimandkelly at younkin.com (Jim and Kelly Younkin) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:18:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup In-Reply-To: <1086964941.12608.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <003a01c44fc7$4da9db00$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> I am new to Linux, but I have a project that I believe would be perfect for it and my research has pointed me to K12LTSP as the distro that will work best, however I have a question about running the thin clients over a dialup connection. I plan to have about 20 remote offices set up as thin clients, with a dialup connection to a K12LTSP server. They need to be able to have internet access, e-mail and office software. Is performance going to be unbearable over a 56K dialup? What server hardware would you recommend for this project? Jim From pantz at lqt.ca Fri Jun 11 15:22:47 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:22:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup In-Reply-To: <003a01c44fc7$4da9db00$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> References: <003a01c44fc7$4da9db00$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> Message-ID: <40C9CE47.5000200@lqt.ca> Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: >I am new to Linux, but I have a project that I believe would be perfect >for it and my research has pointed me to K12LTSP as the distro that will >work best, however I have a question about running the thin clients over >a dialup connection. > >I plan to have about 20 remote offices set up as thin clients, with a >dialup connection to a K12LTSP server. They need to be able to have >internet access, e-mail and office software. > >Is performance going to be unbearable over a 56K dialup? What server >hardware would you recommend for this project? > >Jim > > > Hi Jim You actually managed to hijack another thread so I'm going to respond in a new thread ... -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From pantz at lqt.ca Fri Jun 11 15:26:21 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:26:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup Message-ID: <40C9CF1D.7070003@lqt.ca> Hi Jim (again) Performance over 56k dialup is going to be so terrible that you would probably have time to go on a 6 week vacation in Australia before OpenOffice would load up. Performance on 10Mb systems is bad enough and most people recommend minimum 100Mb. I don't think ltsp over a broadband connection is even doable ... hth pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 11 15:34:44 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:34:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup In-Reply-To: <003a01c44fc7$4da9db00$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> References: <003a01c44fc7$4da9db00$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> Message-ID: <1086968084.12630.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 10:18, Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > I am new to Linux, but I have a project that I believe would be perfect > for it and my research has pointed me to K12LTSP as the distro that will > work best, however I have a question about running the thin clients over > a dialup connection. > > I plan to have about 20 remote offices set up as thin clients, with a > dialup connection to a K12LTSP server. They need to be able to have > internet access, e-mail and office software. > > Is performance going to be unbearable over a 56K dialup? What server > hardware would you recommend for this project? The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the server to work. If you only have one person at each office, consider some other topology. If you have several people at each office it would work to have a suitably sized local server and several thin clients at each. If you just want to avoid software installs at the remote site you might run a live-CD linux version like Knoppix. 56k is OK for occasional email transfers or working in character mode. It's not fast enough to run typical GUI programs over or even loading/saving data for everyday use. You'll either want DSL/cable modem speeds for each office, or do most work locally, or special applications written with low bandwidth in mind. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Jun 11 14:49:43 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:49:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] XDCMP through an 'Internal' Firewall References: <001201c44f98$6fd5c380$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <40C992ED.1050901@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <003101c44fc3$5e2d4a60$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> > Hello Gavin, > > Any particular reason why you need to forward XDMCP through a firewall? > Usually, X11 is never run across the Internet for security reasons; it's > generally kept to the trusted network. Yes I know & understand the security issues, but I didn't say that the clients will be going over the internet, I just said trough a firewall... the firewall is 1 of a few internal network firewalls that allow us to control the flow of data that bit better on our network... All of the networks are 'Trusted' as they are all part of our very large network... The firewall in question is one of the firewalls that controls data across from 1 campus to the other.. I hope that helps... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From justinl at netins.net Fri Jun 11 15:48:58 2004 From: justinl at netins.net (J Lundberg) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:48:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Size of Server Message-ID: I am looking at implementing K12LTSP for a lab of 25 computers. I was wondering how big the server should be to handle the load. Also, if built big enough, could one server handle 40-50 users. Right now I have a PIII 900 with 2 GB RAM, upgradable to 4 GB RAM rather inexpensively. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ahead of time. Justin Lundberg Network Technician, Interstate Communications From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jun 11 15:54:03 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:54:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Size of Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c44fcc$51dd5940$1803010a@paasda.org> that aughta do fine =) I had 20 clients up on a P4 2ghz with 1.5 gig of ram.. it hit swap with 1.5 though...which was BAD... so definately 4 gb would be worth the expense =) my cpu load was only intense at the onset of every machine loading OO or Mozilla all at once =) after that cpu usage dropped somewhere in 30-40%...but was using about 256 megs of swap =( In the process of getting a server put together now... getting some pissy "Bios does not support current stepping for Proc 1 and 2...failed to load processor microcode" Intel says to flash the bios... *shrugs* so attempting that as well* --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of J Lundberg Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:49 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Size of Server I am looking at implementing K12LTSP for a lab of 25 computers. I was wondering how big the server should be to handle the load. Also, if built big enough, could one server handle 40-50 users. Right now I have a PIII 900 with 2 GB RAM, upgradable to 4 GB RAM rather inexpensively. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ahead of time. Justin Lundberg Network Technician, Interstate Communications _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mross at esd165.org Fri Jun 11 16:54:41 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:54:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: <40C900D1.8000604@elp.rr.com> References: <40C900D1.8000604@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <40C9E3D1.6070004@esd165.org> I'm curious of anybody has either heard of something like this, or if they're currently working on this kind of a project? An interface which will allow an administrator to have easier control over the various client options. Text based, Web based or in a graphical X environment, It really doesn't matter, this tool would allow changes made to machines, especially as it comes to the lts.conf file. Sound card configuration, custom Video card settings, all on a per-client (more specifically a per-MAC address) basis. If a project like this is in the works, could somebody point me toward it? If there is no such project, I just might be ambitious enough (even though my coding skills don't quite meet the challenge) to make a Webmin module. --Matt From mross at esd165.org Fri Jun 11 17:01:03 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:01:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: <40C9E3D1.6070004@esd165.org> References: <40C900D1.8000604@elp.rr.com> <40C9E3D1.6070004@esd165.org> Message-ID: <40C9E54F.2010906@esd165.org> I guess I need to finish reading my email... I just read about the Symbiont management webmin module... now I feel like an arse. Sm:)e. --Matt Matthew Ross wrote: > I'm curious of anybody has either heard of something like this, or if > they're currently working on this kind of a project? > > An interface which will allow an administrator to have easier control > over the various client options. Text based, Web based or in a > graphical X environment, It really doesn't matter, this tool would > allow changes made to machines, especially as it comes to the lts.conf > file. Sound card configuration, custom Video card settings, all on a > per-client (more specifically a per-MAC address) basis. > > If a project like this is in the works, could somebody point me toward > it? If there is no such project, I just might be ambitious enough > (even though my coding skills don't quite meet the challenge) to make > a Webmin module. > > --Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jun 11 17:25:38 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:25:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] hangs when loading mknbi-1.4.0 In-Reply-To: <40C980DA.7070108@aimschool.ac.th> Message-ID: <000701c44fd9$1d161320$1803010a@paasda.org> I have a bunch of old P1's that this happened on... =) 16 megs of that juicy old EDO ram =) happens on all of the 486-dx2/66's I've tried too =) I scrap'd them...but if someone knows a solution I'd be giddy to try it! --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Edwardson Pedragosa Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:52 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] hangs when loading mknbi-1.4.0 Hi, I am having problem with this, when message "Loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp" ... done. but after that it will hangs, what is happening? Thanks _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jun 11 18:20:25 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:20:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] font thread Message-ID: <000801c44fe0$c41b2b40$1803010a@paasda.org> Instead of hijacking the former thread on including fonts etc etc.. is there a HOWTO or other form of documentation out there to implement system wide font additions? or is it always app specific? I have never had luck with fonts in linux... and I miss a specific font it was simply ' t ' in my very first linux install using slakware... it was a terminal font...xwindows really wasn't an option back then =) --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimandkelly at younkin.com Fri Jun 11 19:35:06 2004 From: jimandkelly at younkin.com (Jim and Kelly Younkin) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:35:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup In-Reply-To: <1086968084.12630.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <001d01c44feb$341f4570$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> This statement makes me wonder about LTSP: " The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the server to work. " Here is something I read about using VNC with Linux: "You would be shocked at how little bandwidth is required to do such a thing. For efficiency disable all screen savers and set the desktop background to a neutral wallpaper with no fancy stuff. I run on machine with 120 users on it and the bandwidth used is about 200k average. X is incredibly efficient as long as you can keep the necessary screen refresh rates down by not running too much eye candy." -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:35 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup Importance: Low On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 10:18, Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > I am new to Linux, but I have a project that I believe would be perfect > for it and my research has pointed me to K12LTSP as the distro that will > work best, however I have a question about running the thin clients over > a dialup connection. > > I plan to have about 20 remote offices set up as thin clients, with a > dialup connection to a K12LTSP server. They need to be able to have > internet access, e-mail and office software. > > Is performance going to be unbearable over a 56K dialup? What server > hardware would you recommend for this project? The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the server to work. If you only have one person at each office, consider some other topology. If you have several people at each office it would work to have a suitably sized local server and several thin clients at each. If you just want to avoid software installs at the remote site you might run a live-CD linux version like Knoppix. 56k is OK for occasional email transfers or working in character mode. It's not fast enough to run typical GUI programs over or even loading/saving data for everyday use. You'll either want DSL/cable modem speeds for each office, or do most work locally, or special applications written with low bandwidth in mind. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 11 19:45:44 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:45:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup In-Reply-To: <001d01c44feb$341f4570$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> References: <001d01c44feb$341f4570$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> Message-ID: <40CA0BE8.5070700@maltzen.net> Even at 200k, that's at least four times the bandwidth you'll ever get with dial-up. LTSP isn't the same thing as VNC. LTSP loads the client's whole operating system over the wire, whereas VNC uses a special program on an already running client machine to allow the server to just transmit streamlined screen updates. You don't want to try LTSP over dial-up; your users won't accept it. I'm not even sure how you'd get the client to dial the phone to make the connection, as to do so would require an OS to already be loaded on the client to control the modem, etc. And VNC over dial-up is only so-so; it beats driving in on the weekend to tend to a box, but it pales compared to actually being there, and I doubt regular users will find it tolerable. Petre Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > This statement makes me wonder about LTSP: > " The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the > server to work. " > > Here is something I read about using VNC with Linux: > "You would be shocked at how little bandwidth is required to do such a > thing. For efficiency disable all screen savers and set the desktop > background to a neutral wallpaper with no fancy stuff. I run on machine > with 120 users on it and the bandwidth used is about 200k average. X is > incredibly efficient as long as you can keep the necessary screen > refresh rates down by not running too much eye candy." > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Les Mikesell > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:35 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup > Importance: Low > > On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 10:18, Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > >>I am new to Linux, but I have a project that I believe would be > > perfect > >>for it and my research has pointed me to K12LTSP as the distro that > > will > >>work best, however I have a question about running the thin clients > > over > >>a dialup connection. >> >>I plan to have about 20 remote offices set up as thin clients, with a >>dialup connection to a K12LTSP server. They need to be able to have >>internet access, e-mail and office software. >> >>Is performance going to be unbearable over a 56K dialup? What server >>hardware would you recommend for this project? > > > The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the > server to work. If you only have one person at each office, > consider some other topology. If you have several people at each > office it would work to have a suitably sized local server and > several thin clients at each. If you just want to avoid > software installs at the remote site you might run a live-CD > linux version like Knoppix. 56k is OK for occasional email > transfers or working in character mode. It's not fast enough > to run typical GUI programs over or even loading/saving data > for everyday use. You'll either want DSL/cable modem speeds > for each office, or do most work locally, or special applications > written with low bandwidth in mind. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jimandkelly at younkin.com Fri Jun 11 20:14:46 2004 From: jimandkelly at younkin.com (Jim and Kelly Younkin) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:14:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup In-Reply-To: <40CA0BE8.5070700@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <002301c44ff0$beb1b880$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> I found this on Windows 2003 Terminal Server. 20K is a bandwidth I could live with, though I need to find out more details of what else is necessary. I really thought Linux would have something in this range. >> Depending on your configuration individual RDP sessions should use between 11K-20K per session. The following document from Microsoft should help. http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/8/c/58ccf087-33c1-41b2-bb74-ee2 0be37fde6/TermServScaling.doc<< -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:46 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup Importance: Low Even at 200k, that's at least four times the bandwidth you'll ever get with dial-up. LTSP isn't the same thing as VNC. LTSP loads the client's whole operating system over the wire, whereas VNC uses a special program on an already running client machine to allow the server to just transmit streamlined screen updates. You don't want to try LTSP over dial-up; your users won't accept it. I'm not even sure how you'd get the client to dial the phone to make the connection, as to do so would require an OS to already be loaded on the client to control the modem, etc. And VNC over dial-up is only so-so; it beats driving in on the weekend to tend to a box, but it pales compared to actually being there, and I doubt regular users will find it tolerable. Petre Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > This statement makes me wonder about LTSP: > " The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the > server to work. " > > Here is something I read about using VNC with Linux: > "You would be shocked at how little bandwidth is required to do such a > thing. For efficiency disable all screen savers and set the desktop > background to a neutral wallpaper with no fancy stuff. I run on machine > with 120 users on it and the bandwidth used is about 200k average. X is > incredibly efficient as long as you can keep the necessary screen > refresh rates down by not running too much eye candy." > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Les Mikesell > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:35 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup > Importance: Low > > On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 10:18, Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > >>I am new to Linux, but I have a project that I believe would be > > perfect > >>for it and my research has pointed me to K12LTSP as the distro that > > will > >>work best, however I have a question about running the thin clients > > over > >>a dialup connection. >> >>I plan to have about 20 remote offices set up as thin clients, with a >>dialup connection to a K12LTSP server. They need to be able to have >>internet access, e-mail and office software. >> >>Is performance going to be unbearable over a 56K dialup? What server >>hardware would you recommend for this project? > > > The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the > server to work. If you only have one person at each office, > consider some other topology. If you have several people at each > office it would work to have a suitably sized local server and > several thin clients at each. If you just want to avoid > software installs at the remote site you might run a live-CD > linux version like Knoppix. 56k is OK for occasional email > transfers or working in character mode. It's not fast enough > to run typical GUI programs over or even loading/saving data > for everyday use. You'll either want DSL/cable modem speeds > for each office, or do most work locally, or special applications > written with low bandwidth in mind. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From kdanb at kdanb.com Fri Jun 11 20:17:40 2004 From: kdanb at kdanb.com (Daniel Button) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:17:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Users Message-ID: <1086985059.3423.4.camel@brendam> Howdy, Have you considered setting up NIS or LDAP for the two machines? With NIS, you can set one up as the master and the other as the slave. You can make changes on the master and the slave would pick up those changes whenever the maps are pushed out. You could make additional maps in addition to those that are default (passwd, shadow, hosts, etc.) Haven't played with LDAP, but the idea is the same. I hope to do it this summer. Time permitting.... Dan Message: 8 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:09:44 -0700 (PDT) From: xyz xyz Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Users To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <20040611130944.39299.qmail at web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii posted this a few days ago with no response - can anyone help me. ........... I have one machine with k12OS running as samba server and another machine running K12LTSP as terminal server. I intend to add all users to the samba server and then copy passwd, group and shadow files over to terminal server on a daily/twice daily cron job. I too hope to use some kind of text file containing first name and last name and SIN# which will extract a username and password from this data and add these -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Fri Jun 11 20:34:10 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup In-Reply-To: <002301c44ff0$beb1b880$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > I found this on Windows 2003 Terminal Server. 20K is a bandwidth I > could live with, though I need to find out more details of what else is > necessary. I really thought Linux would have something in this range. > > >> Depending on your configuration individual RDP sessions should use > between 11K-20K per session. Right, and you can "run" win2k on p1 133 with 64K memory. take the minimum specs from MS with a big grain of salt. julius > > The following document from Microsoft should help. > > http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/8/c/58ccf087-33c1-41b2-bb74-ee2 > 0be37fde6/TermServScaling.doc<< > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Petre Scheie > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:46 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup > Importance: Low > > Even at 200k, that's at least four times the bandwidth you'll ever get > with > dial-up. LTSP isn't the same thing as VNC. LTSP loads the client's > whole > operating system over the wire, whereas VNC uses a special program on an > already > running client machine to allow the server to just transmit streamlined > screen > updates. You don't want to try LTSP over dial-up; your users won't > accept it. > I'm not even sure how you'd get the client to dial the phone to make the > > connection, as to do so would require an OS to already be loaded on the > client > to control the modem, etc. And VNC over dial-up is only so-so; it beats > driving > in on the weekend to tend to a box, but it pales compared to actually > being > there, and I doubt regular users will find it tolerable. > > Petre > > Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > > This statement makes me wonder about LTSP: > > " The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the > > server to work. " > > > > Here is something I read about using VNC with Linux: > > "You would be shocked at how little bandwidth is required to do such a > > thing. For efficiency disable all screen savers and set the desktop > > background to a neutral wallpaper with no fancy stuff. I run on > machine > > with 120 users on it and the bandwidth used is about 200k average. X > is > > incredibly efficient as long as you can keep the necessary screen > > refresh rates down by not running too much eye candy." > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf Of Les Mikesell > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:35 AM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup > > Importance: Low > > > > On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 10:18, Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > > > >>I am new to Linux, but I have a project that I believe would be > > > > perfect > > > >>for it and my research has pointed me to K12LTSP as the distro that > > > > will > > > >>work best, however I have a question about running the thin clients > > > > over > > > >>a dialup connection. > >> > >>I plan to have about 20 remote offices set up as thin clients, with a > >>dialup connection to a K12LTSP server. They need to be able to have > >>internet access, e-mail and office software. > >> > >>Is performance going to be unbearable over a 56K dialup? What server > >>hardware would you recommend for this project? > > > > > > The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the > > server to work. If you only have one person at each office, > > consider some other topology. If you have several people at each > > office it would work to have a suitably sized local server and > > several thin clients at each. If you just want to avoid > > software installs at the remote site you might run a live-CD > > linux version like Knoppix. 56k is OK for occasional email > > transfers or working in character mode. It's not fast enough > > to run typical GUI programs over or even loading/saving data > > for everyday use. You'll either want DSL/cable modem speeds > > for each office, or do most work locally, or special applications > > written with low bandwidth in mind. > > > > --- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jimandkelly at younkin.com Fri Jun 11 20:47:37 2004 From: jimandkelly at younkin.com (Jim and Kelly Younkin) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:47:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002b01c44ff5$54f60e50$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> Yes, I know the "Evil Empire" cannot be trusted. Still I have to believe there is *something* that will work well over a dialup. Does anyone know anything about "SSH"? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Julius Szelagiewicz Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:34 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup Importance: Low On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > I found this on Windows 2003 Terminal Server. 20K is a bandwidth I > could live with, though I need to find out more details of what else is > necessary. I really thought Linux would have something in this range. > > >> Depending on your configuration individual RDP sessions should use > between 11K-20K per session. Right, and you can "run" win2k on p1 133 with 64K memory. take the minimum specs from MS with a big grain of salt. julius > > The following document from Microsoft should help. > > http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/8/c/58ccf087-33c1-41b2-bb74-ee2 > 0be37fde6/TermServScaling.doc<< > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Petre Scheie > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:46 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup > Importance: Low > > Even at 200k, that's at least four times the bandwidth you'll ever get > with > dial-up. LTSP isn't the same thing as VNC. LTSP loads the client's > whole > operating system over the wire, whereas VNC uses a special program on an > already > running client machine to allow the server to just transmit streamlined > screen > updates. You don't want to try LTSP over dial-up; your users won't > accept it. > I'm not even sure how you'd get the client to dial the phone to make the > > connection, as to do so would require an OS to already be loaded on the > client > to control the modem, etc. And VNC over dial-up is only so-so; it beats > driving > in on the weekend to tend to a box, but it pales compared to actually > being > there, and I doubt regular users will find it tolerable. > > Petre > > Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > > This statement makes me wonder about LTSP: > > " The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the > > server to work. " > > > > Here is something I read about using VNC with Linux: > > "You would be shocked at how little bandwidth is required to do such a > > thing. For efficiency disable all screen savers and set the desktop > > background to a neutral wallpaper with no fancy stuff. I run on > machine > > with 120 users on it and the bandwidth used is about 200k average. X > is > > incredibly efficient as long as you can keep the necessary screen > > refresh rates down by not running too much eye candy." > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf Of Les Mikesell > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:35 AM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup > > Importance: Low > > > > On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 10:18, Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > > > >>I am new to Linux, but I have a project that I believe would be > > > > perfect > > > >>for it and my research has pointed me to K12LTSP as the distro that > > > > will > > > >>work best, however I have a question about running the thin clients > > > > over > > > >>a dialup connection. > >> > >>I plan to have about 20 remote offices set up as thin clients, with a > >>dialup connection to a K12LTSP server. They need to be able to have > >>internet access, e-mail and office software. > >> > >>Is performance going to be unbearable over a 56K dialup? What server > >>hardware would you recommend for this project? > > > > > > The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the > > server to work. If you only have one person at each office, > > consider some other topology. If you have several people at each > > office it would work to have a suitably sized local server and > > several thin clients at each. If you just want to avoid > > software installs at the remote site you might run a live-CD > > linux version like Knoppix. 56k is OK for occasional email > > transfers or working in character mode. It's not fast enough > > to run typical GUI programs over or even loading/saving data > > for everyday use. You'll either want DSL/cable modem speeds > > for each office, or do most work locally, or special applications > > written with low bandwidth in mind. > > > > --- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 11 20:57:57 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:57:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup In-Reply-To: <002b01c44ff5$54f60e50$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> References: <002b01c44ff5$54f60e50$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> Message-ID: <40CA1CD5.40503@maltzen.net> A terminal session or command-line over dial up works quite well. But any sort of graphical environment or application over dial-up will be painful at best. That said, a few years ago, when TightVNC first came out, I tried it from a Win98 client to a Win2k host over dial up. The performance was decent, but not something I'd want to work with on a daily basis. As I said, it was better than driving into the office in the middle of the night, but you wouldn't want to use it for regular tasks. Dial-up just doesn't have the bandwidth for graphical environments. SSH just allows you to encrypt the bits being passed back and forth, and will actually increase the load on both ends, but has some compression options. But it won't fix the bandwidth limitation of dial-up. Petre Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > Yes, I know the "Evil Empire" cannot be trusted. Still I have to > believe there is *something* that will work well over a dialup. Does > anyone know anything about "SSH"? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Julius Szelagiewicz > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:34 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup > Importance: Low > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > > >>I found this on Windows 2003 Terminal Server. 20K is a bandwidth I >>could live with, though I need to find out more details of what else > > is > >>necessary. I really thought Linux would have something in this range. >> >> >>>>Depending on your configuration individual RDP sessions should use >> >>between 11K-20K per session. > > > Right, and you can "run" win2k on p1 133 with 64K memory. take the > minimum > specs from MS with a big grain of salt. julius > > > > >>The following document from Microsoft should help. >> >> > > http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/8/c/58ccf087-33c1-41b2-bb74-ee2 > >>0be37fde6/TermServScaling.doc<< >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>Behalf Of Petre Scheie >>Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:46 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup >>Importance: Low >> >>Even at 200k, that's at least four times the bandwidth you'll ever get >>with >>dial-up. LTSP isn't the same thing as VNC. LTSP loads the client's >>whole >>operating system over the wire, whereas VNC uses a special program on > > an > >>already >>running client machine to allow the server to just transmit > > streamlined > >>screen >>updates. You don't want to try LTSP over dial-up; your users won't >>accept it. >>I'm not even sure how you'd get the client to dial the phone to make > > the > >>connection, as to do so would require an OS to already be loaded on > > the > >>client >>to control the modem, etc. And VNC over dial-up is only so-so; it > > beats > >>driving >>in on the weekend to tend to a box, but it pales compared to actually >>being >>there, and I doubt regular users will find it tolerable. >> >>Petre >> >>Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: >> >>>This statement makes me wonder about LTSP: >>>" The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to > > the > >>>server to work. " >>> >>>Here is something I read about using VNC with Linux: >>>"You would be shocked at how little bandwidth is required to do such > > a > >>>thing. For efficiency disable all screen savers and set the desktop >>>background to a neutral wallpaper with no fancy stuff. I run on >> >>machine >> >>>with 120 users on it and the bandwidth used is about 200k average. X >> >>is >> >>>incredibly efficient as long as you can keep the necessary screen >>>refresh rates down by not running too much eye candy." >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > > On > >>>Behalf Of Les Mikesell >>>Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:35 AM >>>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup >>>Importance: Low >>> >>>On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 10:18, Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I am new to Linux, but I have a project that I believe would be >>> >>>perfect >>> >>> >>>>for it and my research has pointed me to K12LTSP as the distro that >>> >>>will >>> >>> >>>>work best, however I have a question about running the thin clients >>> >>>over >>> >>> >>>>a dialup connection. >>>> >>>>I plan to have about 20 remote offices set up as thin clients, with > > a > >>>>dialup connection to a K12LTSP server. They need to be able to have >>>>internet access, e-mail and office software. >>>> >>>>Is performance going to be unbearable over a 56K dialup? What > > server > >>>>hardware would you recommend for this project? >>> >>> >>>The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the >>>server to work. If you only have one person at each office, >>>consider some other topology. If you have several people at each >>>office it would work to have a suitably sized local server and >>>several thin clients at each. If you just want to avoid >>>software installs at the remote site you might run a live-CD >>>linux version like Knoppix. 56k is OK for occasional email >>>transfers or working in character mode. It's not fast enough >>>to run typical GUI programs over or even loading/saving data >>>for everyday use. You'll either want DSL/cable modem speeds >>>for each office, or do most work locally, or special applications >>>written with low bandwidth in mind. >>> >>>--- >>> Les Mikesell >>> les at futuresource.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jun 11 22:46:27 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:46:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Size of Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40CA3643.8040802@cmosnetworks.com> The real answer is, "it depends." I run K12LTSP on a twin 1.47GHz Athlon system w/ 4GB DRAM, and it handles 25 users with ease. All my folks are running either KDE or GNOME, and according to what I see, my server could handle 40, maybe 50, such sessions without swapping. Note that my users are using a "heavyweight" desktop environment. Were you to put your users on something more lightweight like XFce, IceWM, or Blackbox, you'd probably be able to get away with yet more users (I've heard of folks running 80 users concurrently this way). Personally, I like XFce and use it on my laptop. :-) Server DRAM is the key to running anything like LTSP. As for CPU oomph, personally, I would recommend a dual-processor box for your amount of users. They can be built for less than $2K and will also be scalable, i. e. they'll last a while. A PIII-900 could do it (Largo, FL did so w/ 150 users running KDE 2.2 on dual P-900 servers), but you'd probably need an app server helping it out (this is how Largo, FL actually does do it). --TP J Lundberg wrote: > I am looking at implementing K12LTSP for a lab of 25 computers. I was > wondering how big the server should be to handle the load. Also, if > built big enough, could one server handle 40-50 users. Right now I > have a PIII 900 with 2 GB RAM, upgradable to 4 GB RAM rather > inexpensively. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks ahead of time. > > Justin Lundberg > Network Technician, Interstate Communications > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 00:13:27 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (xyz xyz) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Adding Users In-Reply-To: <20040611224642.3643673A5A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040612001327.41415.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Dan I think that sounds like a better option - i'm going to give it a try on two spare p4's - i'm sure i'll need some help along the way though - i remember seeing links to some user guides - could you point me in that direction please. > > Howdy, > > Have you considered setting up NIS or LDAP for > the two machines? > With NIS, you can set one up as the master and the > other as the slave. > You can make changes on the master and the slave > would pick up those > changes whenever the maps are pushed out. You could > make additional > maps in addition to those that are default (passwd, > shadow, hosts, > etc.) Haven't played with LDAP, but the idea is the > same. I hope to do > it this summer. Time permitting.... > > Dan > > > > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:09:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: xyz xyz > Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Users > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <20040611130944.39299.qmail at web52906.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > posted this a few days ago with no response - can > anyone help me. > > ........... > I have one machine with k12OS running as samba > server > and > another machine running K12LTSP as terminal server. > > I intend to add all users to the samba server and > then > copy passwd, group and shadow files over to terminal > server on a daily/twice daily cron job. > > I too hope to use some kind of text file containing > first name and last name and SIN# which will extract > a > username and password from this data and add these > -------------- next part -------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Sat Jun 12 01:15:53 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:15:53 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Users In-Reply-To: <20040611130944.39299.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040611130944.39299.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1087002952.1258.1.camel@rolston.localdomain> Webmin does this. It also creates the users in other modules like Samba. Cheers, Bert On Sat, 2004-06-12 at 01:09, xyz xyz wrote: > posted this a few days ago with no response - can > anyone help me. > > ........... > I have one machine with k12OS running as samba server > and > another machine running K12LTSP as terminal server. > > I intend to add all users to the samba server and then > copy passwd, group and shadow files over to terminal > server on a daily/twice daily cron job. > > I too hope to use some kind of text file containing > first name and last name and SIN# which will extract a > username and password from this data and add these > users in one shot. Different text files for different > groups would be useful i assume. The thing is, a > smbpasswd entry needs to be made too - is there a way > to do this in one shot. > > really new to all this > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Jun 12 01:31:01 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:31:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New Icewm rpms on fedora compared with rh9 Message-ID: I've gotten the subject line filled out this time... good! I've just grabbed the latest icewm pile of rpms from Eric's fedora2 testing dir and have noticed that after the install on a vinalla existing Fedora2 box, ps shows: [jim at jim jim]$ ps aux | grep ice root 2578 0.0 0.0 2992 472 ? S Jun11 0:00 gpm -m /dev/input/mice -t imps2jim 18196 0.0 0.1 5904 1560 ? S 01:17 0:00 /usr/bin/icewm-session jim 18250 0.0 0.1 5740 1596 ? RN 01:17 0:00 icewmbg jim 18251 0.0 0.1 7740 1760 ? S 01:17 0:00 icewmtray jim 18252 0.0 0.3 9208 3640 ? S 01:17 0:00 icewm jim 19507 0.0 0.0 4484 572 pts/54 R 01:26 0:00 grep ice In comparison with the older rh9 k12-3.1.x icewm install, I don't think that I've ever seen icewmtray or icewmbg showing up. I have commented out the nautilus entry, and used my preferences file from the 3.1.2 install. Can I get these two (icewmtray and icewmbg), unwanted bins not to run at start? Thanks in advance for ideas, Jim _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From les at futuresource.com Sat Jun 12 02:43:18 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:43:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup In-Reply-To: <001d01c44feb$341f4570$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> References: <001d01c44feb$341f4570$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> Message-ID: <1087008198.14760.51.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 14:35, Jim and Kelly Younkin wrote: > This statement makes me wonder about LTSP: > " The whole concept of thin clients requires a fast connection to the > server to work. " LTSP installs nothing on the thin client and downloads everything it needs to run as you boot up. This is fast and cheap over a local 100M ethernet but not something you want to do at 56k. You could boot locally from a CD, but access is still done with the X protocol which needs a lot of bandwidth. There are extensions like LBX to reduce the bandwidth needed to a remote site but I haven't seen a lot about people using them. > Here is something I read about using VNC with Linux: > "You would be shocked at how little bandwidth is required to do such a > thing. VNC sends screen differences in a fairly crude way - if the screen doesn't change much or very often it can work over a low bandwidth connection. In fact it is usually possible to do most things if absolutely necessary, but the latency of the screen updates is so annoying that you wouldn't want to do all your work that way. However it is free and easy enough to test with whatever applications you plan to use. If you just fill in an occasional form it might be OK. Be sure to use an up to date version that has compression at both ends. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ddaniels at magic.fr Sat Jun 12 03:04:08 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:04:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: <40C9E3D1.6070004@esd165.org> References: <40C900D1.8000604@elp.rr.com> <40C9E3D1.6070004@esd165.org> Message-ID: <40CA72A8.9060003@magic.fr> It does look pretty good: http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=29&MMN_position=64:45:61 looks more robust than: http://www.gnomepro.com/tsclient/ Anyone else using symbiont? Anyone else using something similar? best, dennis Matthew Ross wrote: > I'm curious of anybody has either heard of something like this, or if > they're currently working on this kind of a project? > > An interface which will allow an administrator to have easier control > over the various client options. Text based, Web based or in a graphical > X environment, It really doesn't matter, this tool would allow changes > made to machines, especially as it comes to the lts.conf file. Sound > card configuration, custom Video card settings, all on a per-client > (more specifically a per-MAC address) basis. > > If a project like this is in the works, could somebody point me toward > it? If there is no such project, I just might be ambitious enough (even > though my coding skills don't quite meet the challenge) to make a Webmin > module. > > --Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sat Jun 12 03:28:13 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:28:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: <40CA72A8.9060003@magic.fr> References: <40C900D1.8000604@elp.rr.com> <40C9E3D1.6070004@esd165.org> <40CA72A8.9060003@magic.fr> Message-ID: <40CA784D.4030108@elp.rr.com> We have a server with the Symbiont overlay in it. It definitely makes life easier becuse you don't have to do as much typing in terminal to accomplish things. Bye Pat Dennis Daniels wrote: > It does look pretty good: > http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=29&MMN_position=64:45:61 > > > looks more robust than: > http://www.gnomepro.com/tsclient/ > > Anyone else using symbiont? Anyone else using something similar? > best, > dennis > > Matthew Ross wrote: > >> I'm curious of anybody has either heard of something like this, or if >> they're currently working on this kind of a project? >> >> An interface which will allow an administrator to have easier control >> over the various client options. Text based, Web based or in a >> graphical X environment, It really doesn't matter, this tool would >> allow changes made to machines, especially as it comes to the >> lts.conf file. Sound card configuration, custom Video card settings, >> all on a per-client (more specifically a per-MAC address) basis. >> >> If a project like this is in the works, could somebody point me >> toward it? If there is no such project, I just might be ambitious >> enough (even though my coding skills don't quite meet the challenge) >> to make a Webmin module. >> >> --Matt >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Jun 12 05:31:26 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:31:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] font thread In-Reply-To: <000801c44fe0$c41b2b40$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000801c44fe0$c41b2b40$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40CA952E.8040209@snet.net> Huck wrote: > Instead of hijacking the former thread on including fonts etc etc.. > > is there a HOWTO or other form of documentation out there > to implement system wide font additions? > or is it always app specific? > I have never had luck with fonts in linux... > and I miss a specific font it was simply ' t ' in my very first linux > install using slakware... > it was a terminal font...xwindows really wasn't an option back then =) > > > --Huck > I've installed fonts before that have become available to all three major word processors on my system (Kword, Abi and OOo) and Scribus, simultaneously, but they did not become available to the Gimp. I found a how to for installing fonts for the gimp, but it didn't work/hosed my fontserver. Shall I dig it up again? tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Sat Jun 12 17:32:29 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:32:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't specify modelines in 4.0.1 Message-ID: <49300.170.211.161.253.1087061549.squirrel@170.211.161.253> Not knocking the produce itself...but I never made the move to the ltsp 4x series because I've never gotten it to work with any of my hardware here. I'm giving Fedora a shot at redemption and playing with 4.0.1. I have *got* to specify the modelines for these proprietary thinknic monitors or they won't work. Whenever I add my line it gripes about a parse error way on down in lts.conf. (my addition may be around line 9 but the parse error is somewhere further down). No matter what I do nothing works until I remove the modelin addition. Here is my addition: X_MODE_0 = "800x600" 60.21 800 840 1040 1120 600 602 614 640 I think Jim tried to help me out with this before and told me my parse problems were with the changover and quotation mark usage. However, I never could get this line to work and thus had to move to WBEL and old school ltsp. I'm hitting this again to see if someone can help me figure this out. -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sat Jun 12 18:27:49 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:27:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't specify modelines in 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <49300.170.211.161.253.1087061549.squirrel@170.211.161.253> References: <49300.170.211.161.253.1087061549.squirrel@170.211.161.253> Message-ID: <40CB4B25.50202@elp.rr.com> I had to enter mod lines for my mixture of monitors. I noticed that you have not specified the hsync and vsync. I'm not familiar with you particular monitors but putting those in may help. Bye Pat Caleb Wagnon wrote: >Not knocking the produce itself...but I never made the move to the ltsp 4x >series because I've never gotten it to work with any of my hardware here. I'm >giving Fedora a shot at redemption and playing with 4.0.1. > >I have *got* to specify the modelines for these proprietary thinknic monitors >or they won't work. Whenever I add my line it gripes about a parse error way >on down in lts.conf. (my addition may be around line 9 but the parse error is >somewhere further down). No matter what I do nothing works until I remove the >modelin addition. Here is my addition: > >X_MODE_0 = "800x600" 60.21 800 840 1040 1120 600 602 614 640 > >I think Jim tried to help me out with this before and told me my parse >problems were with the changover and quotation mark usage. However, I never >could get this line to work and thus had to move to WBEL and old school ltsp. >I'm hitting this again to see if someone can help me figure this out. > > > From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Sat Jun 12 18:30:42 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:30:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't specify modelines in 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <40CB4B25.50202@elp.rr.com> References: <49300.170.211.161.253.1087061549.squirrel@170.211.161.253> <40CB4B25.50202@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <49332.170.211.161.253.1087065042.squirrel@170.211.161.253> John P. Conlon said: > I had to enter mod lines for my mixture of monitors. I noticed that you > have not specified the hsync and vsync. I'm not familiar with you > particular monitors but putting those in may help. I had those lines in there as well...but just took them out. -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From ddaniels at magic.fr Sat Jun 12 18:39:32 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:39:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't specify modelines in 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <49300.170.211.161.253.1087061549.squirrel@170.211.161.253> References: <49300.170.211.161.253.1087061549.squirrel@170.211.161.253> Message-ID: <40CB4DE4.5070002@magic.fr> I've experienced same with 4.0.1. recently another user posted this link to an app that may in fact help with configuring older monitors. I've not tested it myself but at least one other user has confirmed it working. http://www.thesymbiont.com/ You may also try: http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ which has links to two client configuring apps. There is reportedly a webmin mod that is to help with configuring clients but, apparently, has not worked in a long time, if ever. Old monitors are plentiful and cheap, if K12LTSP had better support tools for them we'd so a lot more interest from cash strapped schools and businesses in the LTSP suite. /my $.02 best Dennis Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Not knocking the produce itself...but I never made the move to the ltsp 4x > series because I've never gotten it to work with any of my hardware here. I'm > giving Fedora a shot at redemption and playing with 4.0.1. > > I have *got* to specify the modelines for these proprietary thinknic monitors > or they won't work. Whenever I add my line it gripes about a parse error way > on down in lts.conf. (my addition may be around line 9 but the parse error is > somewhere further down). No matter what I do nothing works until I remove the > modelin addition. Here is my addition: > > X_MODE_0 = "800x600" 60.21 800 840 1040 1120 600 602 614 640 > > I think Jim tried to help me out with this before and told me my parse > problems were with the changover and quotation mark usage. However, I never > could get this line to work and thus had to move to WBEL and old school ltsp. > I'm hitting this again to see if someone can help me figure this out. > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sat Jun 12 15:59:30 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:59:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] duplex problem with new switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040612115930.20cec3e5.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Sorry everyone, I wanted to get back and let you know that the 'options' line did the trick, thanks. And by the way, - Yes Terrell, it is a Catalyst 2820 switch. Thanks everyone for the help. On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:50:11 +1000 "Les Bell" wrote: > > Gentgeen wrote: > > >> > So at this point I am lost. Where can I but those options so that it > works on boot-up, but does not mess with eth1? > << > > Edit /etc/modules.conf so that it has these lines: > > alias eth0 3c59x > options eth0 debug=1 options=4 full_duplex=1 > > That should fix it for just eth0, but not eth1. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sat Jun 12 16:04:46 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:04:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound plays on server Message-ID: <20040612120446.465a3145.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> I am trying to get sound to work on my terminals and not having much luck. Hopefully someone out there can help me. I am trying it out here at home first where I have LTSP installed on a Debian Woody system, then I will take it to school on the K12LTSP server. The problem is that when I play sounds from a client machine (KDE or xmms), the sound comes out on the server's speakers, not the client's speakers. I can't seem to find any error messages looking through the various logs and watching the boot process on the clients. The lts.conf file looks like: #----------------------------------------- [192.168.0.1] XSERVER = nv X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MODE_0 = 800x600 X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 RCFILE_01 = floppyd SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = nasd SMODULE_01 = auto VOLUME = 100 #----------------------------------------- I am really not sure were to start the trouble shooting since I can't seem to find any error messages. So any help would be greatly appriciated. Kevin "Gentgeen" ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From robark at telus.net Sun Jun 13 00:22:26 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:22:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't specify modelines in 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <49300.170.211.161.253.1087061549.squirrel@170.211.161.253> References: <49300.170.211.161.253.1087061549.squirrel@170.211.161.253> Message-ID: <200406121722.26878.robark@telus.net> There are two links to modline generators in the wiki http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AModeline%20Calculators I found the second link to be better. Plus, it gives you the hsync and vsync. But I also had a problem. What ever I tried I could not increase my refresh rate above 75hz vertical even though the video cards and monitors could definitely handle 85hz. So I settled with 75. I never had the parse error though. Try to mimick the format of the lines already there (in lts.conf) and hit enter after the new modline. Make sure all other ones are #'ed out. Robert Arkiletian On Saturday 12 June 2004 10:32 am, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Not knocking the produce itself...but I never made the move to the ltsp 4x > series because I've never gotten it to work with any of my hardware here. > I'm giving Fedora a shot at redemption and playing with 4.0.1. > > I have *got* to specify the modelines for these proprietary thinknic > monitors or they won't work. Whenever I add my line it gripes about a parse > error way on down in lts.conf. (my addition may be around line 9 but the > parse error is somewhere further down). No matter what I do nothing works > until I remove the modelin addition. Here is my addition: > > X_MODE_0 = "800x600" 60.21 800 840 1040 1120 600 602 614 640 > > I think Jim tried to help me out with this before and told me my parse > problems were with the changover and quotation mark usage. However, I never > could get this line to work and thus had to move to WBEL and old school > ltsp. I'm hitting this again to see if someone can help me figure this out. From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun Jun 13 00:57:46 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:27:46 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't specify modelines in 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <49300.170.211.161.253.1087061549.squirrel@170.211.161.253> References: <49300.170.211.161.253.1087061549.squirrel@170.211.161.253> Message-ID: <1087088265.5065.21.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2004-06-12 at 23:02, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > I have *got* to specify the modelines for these proprietary thinknic monitors > or they won't work. Whenever I add my line it gripes about a parse error way > on down in lts.conf. (my addition may be around line 9 but the parse error is > somewhere further down). No matter what I do nothing works until I remove the > modelin addition. Here is my addition: > > X_MODE_0 = "800x600" 60.21 800 840 1040 1120 600 602 614 640 ^^^ Try placing the second " at end of line or the entire line without quote marks. This box is on LTSP3 but the other box is running without any problems with modelines settings on LTSP4. If your problem is still persisting will try to dig out the lines from there whenever I am at that location. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun Jun 13 02:23:11 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:23:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Graphic favor: vectorizing tux Message-ID: Hi folks The enclosed .gif file needs to be vectorized (adobe illustrator) so that it can be used in logo and poster designs... anybody with the right equipment & time that can help, please do. I can make it available from the web later. Thanks Alan Hodson TIS/El Paso ISD, TX ahodson at elp.rr.com -=o=- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tux.gif Type: application/mac-binhex40 Size: 20087 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wiz8 at mac.com Sun Jun 13 03:28:58 2004 From: wiz8 at mac.com (Paul Vittorino) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:28:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Graphic favor: vectorizing tux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you really need that version? I found a good vector version here: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/penguin/ It's not exactly the same, but it's very close. Paul On Jun 12, 2004, at 9:23 PM, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > The enclosed .gif file needs to be vectorized (adobe illustrator) so > that it can be used in logo and poster designs... anybody with the > right equipment & time that can help, please do. I can make it > available from the web later. > Thanks > > Alan Hodson > TIS/El Paso ISD, TX > ahodson at elp.rr.com > -=o=-_______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gjkramer at shaw.ca Sun Jun 13 06:52:09 2004 From: gjkramer at shaw.ca (Gustav Kramer) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:52:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Proper Client PC Shutdown In-Reply-To: <3FA6AE98.2000503@switzerny.org> References: <3FA6AE98.2000503@switzerny.org> Message-ID: <1087109529.11714.1.camel@server.ltsp> Just doing some "house cleaning" and came across this but don't recall seeing a reply. I've always just turned the client off manually. Is there a more elegant way to shut down the client machine? - gustav On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 11:38, Steve Switzer wrote: > Hello! > I've recently started using K12LTSP, and I'm wondering about the > proper way to disconnect a network booted client. I've clicked > "Disconnect" at the login screen, but it seems to respawn. I've told my > wife that since this PC didn't boot from the HD, we can simply power it > off from the login screen. Is this correct? > Also, I've noticed that there seem to be remnant processes for each > user that has logged in from a network booted machine: > ps -aux reveals: > jeremys 3357 0.0 0.2 5644 1620 ? S Nov02 0:00 oafd > --ac-activate --ior-output-fd=10 > > I'm not sure what this process is, or if its caused by improper shutdown > of the client PCs... > > Input? > > Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From trondrm at online.no Sun Jun 13 09:12:20 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:12:20 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] priv/pub folder for users Message-ID: <1087117940.23386.4.camel@enterprise> A Norwegian LTSP distro (Skolelinux) gives all users a priv folder and a pub folder in their home. Any user can enter any home folder and open the pub folder. However, the priv folder remains private. What do I have to set in /etc/skel (if that is the place) for this? I see that this can have its advantages for sharing work among the students. Best regards Trond M?hlum From haynest at mchsi.com Sun Jun 13 11:16:30 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Tom Haynes) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:16:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] priv/pub folder for users In-Reply-To: <1087117940.23386.4.camel@enterprise> Message-ID: <003701c45137$e192ec50$6801a8c0@HAYNEST> Trond... I will tell you how I do this on my (non-LTSP) installation. There is probably an easier way. All of my users are using samba to access user directories from their win 2k laptops. On our installation, each user has a web page. In our environment, the students have their private and public_html directories mapped when they login. In skel, set up home with two folders. The permissions on private should be 700. The permissions on public_html should be 755. Change your smb.conf homes section to include the following create mode = 0644 force create mode = 0644 directory mode = 0755 force directory mode = 0755 In webmin, go to the samba module proerties and in the create mode for homes change the permissions from 755 to 711. In httpd.conf "uncomment" the section that starts Restart samba and httpd. Each new user created will have a home directory that has a private folder and a public_html folder. The public folder will be the user home page to share work. Students can navigate the directory stucture in network neighborhood, but they can't access anything in the "private" folder. The students can now maintain web pages for presentations out of their home directories. Here are a couple of a student pages from classes I taught last semester. Bear in mind that these are kids, and the work is not perfect. http://student.culver.org/~dunlapt/math/ http://student.culver.org/~fardelb/math/ Regards... Tom -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Trond M?hlum Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 4:12 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] priv/pub folder for users A Norwegian LTSP distro (Skolelinux) gives all users a priv folder and a pub folder in their home. Any user can enter any home folder and open the pub folder. However, the priv folder remains private. What do I have to set in /etc/skel (if that is the place) for this? I see that this can have its advantages for sharing work among the students. Best regards Trond M?hlum _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.693 / Virus Database: 454 - Release Date: 5/31/2004 From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun Jun 13 14:40:58 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:40:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Graphic favor: vectorizing tux Message-ID: <1f9d5c1f90c8.1f90c81f9d5c@texas.rr.com> image re-sent ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan A Hodson Date: Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:23 pm Subject: [K12OSN] Graphic favor: vectorizing tux > Hi folks > > The enclosed .gif file needs to be vectorized (adobe illustrator) > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tux.gif Type: image/gif Size: 14682 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jun 13 14:35:41 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:35:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Size of Server In-Reply-To: <40CA3643.8040802@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40CA3643.8040802@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40CC663D.6050901@cfl.rr.com> I tend to agree with Terrell if you're on a tight budget, but if you're well funded, I'd be looking at a server and LTSP management suite from these folks: http://www.symbio-technologies.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=190 Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > The real answer is, "it depends." > > I run K12LTSP on a twin 1.47GHz Athlon system w/ 4GB DRAM, and it > handles 25 users with ease. All my folks are running either KDE or > GNOME, and according to what I see, my server could handle 40, maybe > 50, such sessions without swapping. > > Note that my users are using a "heavyweight" desktop environment. > Were you to put your users on something more lightweight like XFce, > IceWM, or Blackbox, you'd probably be able to get away with yet more > users (I've heard of folks running 80 users concurrently this way). > Personally, I like XFce and use it on my laptop. :-) > > Server DRAM is the key to running anything like LTSP. As for CPU > oomph, personally, I would recommend a dual-processor box for your > amount of users. They can be built for less than $2K and will also be > scalable, i. e. they'll last a while. A PIII-900 could do it (Largo, > FL did so w/ 150 users running KDE 2.2 on dual P-900 servers), but > you'd probably need an app server helping it out (this is how Largo, > FL actually does do it). > > --TP > > J Lundberg wrote: > >> I am looking at implementing K12LTSP for a lab of 25 computers. I was >> wondering how big the server should be to handle the load. Also, if >> built big enough, could one server handle 40-50 users. Right now I >> have a PIII 900 with 2 GB RAM, upgradable to 4 GB RAM rather >> inexpensively. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks ahead of time. >> >> Justin Lundberg >> Network Technician, Interstate Communications >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jun 13 17:21:08 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:21:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Repost: KStars downloaded images blank In-Reply-To: <40C992A7.7080902@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> <40C12CD7.50605@cmosnetworks.com> <200406042345.51392.robark@telus.net> <200406102012.57277.robark@telus.net> <40C992A7.7080902@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40CC8D04.7010103@cmosnetworks.com> I have replicated your results w/ K12LTSP 3.1.1; KStars doesn't itself show anything but blackness in the "image" window, but I can save it and view it in, say, Eye of Gnome. I wanted to try it w/o any updates to 3.1.2, just in case that was it. I've also tried it after updating to 3.1.2 (apt-get update, apt-get upgrade). My results now are less positive, because now KStars dies with ASSERT statements in qvaluelist.h (some Qt header). Have you reported what you've found to the KStars maintaner(s)? --TP Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > I'll try it out this weekend and let you know what I find; I've got a > server box handy that I can use for this purpose. I've just been so > swamped this last week, otherwise I'd have this done for you by now. > > --TP > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> ***** Has anyone gotten KStars show image to work on a client ? ******* >> >> Update: >> I stuck in a S3 virge gx2 and the same problem persists. I asked a >> friend about this and he asked a friend and he replied: >> =========================================== >> - This sort of problem is often due to inadequate support for graphics >> acceleration. KStars as provided by Debian is dynamically linked to the >> GL libraries. Perhaps he should check what package he's using to >> provide >> libGL on his server; in an LTSP setup, something software-only like >> mesag3 >> might be worth trying. >> >> - FWIW, I tried running KStars through an SSH tunnel (a possibly similar >> scenario) and did observe the problem described (but with the DSS query >> feature - a star with the SEDS option wasn't immediately handy): image >> downloaded but only a blank image-viewer window appearing. At the time >> the image-viewer window appeared I got the following errors on the >> console: >> >> kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access >> private resource denied) \x0a >> Major opcode: \x92 >> kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared >> segment parameter) \xab >> Major opcode: \x92 >> kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared >> segment parameter) \xab >> Major opcode: \x92 >> ============================================ >> >> I can't figure out why KStars would need opengl support when it's >> only displaying jpg's and gif's. >> ***** Has anyone gotten KStars show image to work on a client ? ******* >> >> Robert Arkiletian >> >> On Friday 04 June 2004 11:45 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >> >>> Well all 30 of them use nvidia riva 128's but I do have a S3 trio64+ >>> and an >>> old matrox sitting around. Thanks for the idea Terrell. I will pop >>> out an >>> nvidia card on one of them and test it out on monday. But I doubt it >>> will >>> make any difference because if I SAVE the image with KStars I can >>> then view >>> it with any image viewer (gimp, eog, web browsers). It's a real >>> showstopper >>> if you have to save and then open the image with another viewer >>> though. I >>> still think it has something to do with kdeinit and/or the XF86config >>> settings in lts.conf. What I am looking for from this listserve is just >>> some people to take a couple of seconds and try KStars from a client >>> and >>> see if they experience the same problem. >>> If they do, then I'm going to contact the developers and see if I can >>> report it as a bug. >>> >>> Thanks for your reply Terrell, I appreciate it. >>> >>> Robert Arkiletian >>> Eric Hamber Secondary >>> >>> On Friday 04 June 2004 7:15 pm, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Do you by any chance have a thin client with any other type of video >>>> card? You're right; if they're just GIFs and JPEGs, they should >>>> display >>>> just fine. Also, if you go Web surfing on your clients, do the >>>> GIFs and >>>> JPEGs display properly? When you save these images from within >>>> KStars, >>>> can you view them with, say, Kuickshow, Electric Eyes, or The GIMP on >>>> your clients? >>>> >>>> --TP >>>> >>>> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Right clicking on a heavenly body in KStars will usually bring up the >>>>> "Show SEDS image" option. The image downloads but it will not display >>>>> with KStars. The image window is blank. >>>>> >>>>> I can save the image okay, though. This problem only exists on my >>>>> clients. They are all nvidia riva 128's. However, on the server which >>>>> has an on board ATI rage pro chip the images appear properly >>>>> (regardless if I log in as root or a user). However, on the clients, >>>>> even as root I do not get an image (just black space in the image >>>>> window) >>>>> >>>>> So it's not a permission problem. I figure it must be a problem with >>>>> XF86Config for the clients and server being different. >>>>> >>>>> I have enabled 24 bit color (as the riva 128 can't do 16 with xfree86 >>>>> 4.3) and set XSERVER = auto in lts.conf. I even tried XSERVER = >>>>> nv, no >>>>> luck. The damn images are just gif's and jpg's. Any video card should >>>>> be able to display them. >>>>> >>>>> I looked at top (interactive A option) and I found the program was >>>>> ----------kdeinit------------ that was trying to display the images. >>>>> I don't know anything about kdeinit but it must somehow call an image >>>>> viewing mechanism. Somehow the client xserver is not able to display >>>>> the downloaded image with kdeinit. >>>>> >>>>> Can someone try to view these celestial SEDS images on their >>>>> clients and >>>>> confirm this behavior??? KStars is an awsome program worth the >>>>> effort. >>>>> >>>>> Do I need any modules loaded with Xfree86? Anyone have any ideas to >>>>> solve this issue. >>>>> >>>>> BTW I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 >>>>> >>>>> Robert Arkiletian >>>>> Eric Hamber Secondary >>>> From k12osn at collinsoft.com Sun Jun 13 20:24:00 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Tell me why this doesn't work In-Reply-To: <40C50D6C.7070205@chartermi.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Eric Feldhusen wrote: > Another option is using webmin and using the clustering users and groups > function of webmin. I have one machine that does all my files with > users. That machine does a nfs share of the /home directories to > another a k12ltsp 4.0.1 server. I used the clustering users & groups > and transferred all users with uid's above 500 to the k12ltsp. I mounted > the /home on my k12ltsp and good to go. I'll like to get openldap > working myself since as you can see by my signature, I handle a bit, and > with ldap in combination with samba and netatalk, I could manage and > utilitize my server resources and users more effectively. Unfortunately, > time isn't in my favor. > > Not quite an answer to your samba/ldap, but another option I guess. Moving even further off-topic, but going ldap you might want to look at Mac OS X Server. Since you mention netatalk, I'm assuming you have some Macs in your district. The 10 user version is only $250 for schools, and that ten user limit is only for apple file share connections, it doesn't count NFS or SMB connections. Anyway, our file servers run OS X server, offering authentication for the Macs and LTSP over LDAP and run as a PDC for our Windows clients. The macs mount the home directories over AFP, LTSP over NFS, and the Windows clients use SMB. The students can go to any machine in the building and log in and automatically have access to their files. As soon as I test an AppleWorks solution for LTSP this summer, I'll be a happy man. It does cost money, but $249 is worth it for time saved, since the OS X administration tools are top notch. (We do run unlimited which costs $499.) -- Ryan Collins Director of I.T. - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jun 13 20:03:31 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:03:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hangs when loading mknbi-1.4.0 In-Reply-To: <40C980DA.7070108@aimschool.ac.th> References: <40C980DA.7070108@aimschool.ac.th> Message-ID: <40CCB313.4050801@cmosnetworks.com> Tell us more about the hardware in your client boxes, what you have them hooked up to, etc. The more info, the better. Also, tell us which DHCP server you're using, and if it's the K12LTSP one, did you tweak it at all? --TP Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > Hi, I am having problem with this, when message "Loading > 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp" ... done. but after that it will > hangs, what is happening? > > Thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sun Jun 13 22:23:06 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:23:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: <40CA72A8.9060003@magic.fr> Message-ID: I just installed the symbiont GUI on a test server at home and thought the whole thing looked great ... UNTIL I looked at the dhcpd.conf and lts.conf files it left behind. It did NOT leave the functional files alone ... it rewrote them with the few changes I made ... resulting in totally dysfunctional conf files. with just a few tweaks to the configuration, it only wrote the changes ... not the stuff that did not change. Conclusion ... either use only this, or use the text files as they come from Jim McQuillan, but you would not want to use both methods of editing the conf files. It is a bit like samba-swat that also re-writes your files, it at least leaves a functional all inclusive version of the configuration. That said ... Symbiont workstation manager at least left a nice backup of the files. I personally use Kate to do my editing. You can load the various files and leave them displayed on the screen. Next time you open Kate those files are all nicely there. I can make changes in dhcpd.conf and then flip to the terminal window, also in Kate and do the /sbin/service dhcpd restart and all the changes take effect. This also allows one to make lots of comment lines in the conf files.... which workstation this is ... location ... all the wonderful examples in the files as they come out of the box. So I was impressed with the nice visual gui, but the way they write to the files is totally unusable in my opinion. greetings Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Daniels Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:04 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? It does look pretty good: http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_pag e&PAGE_id=29&MMN_position=64:45:61 looks more robust than: http://www.gnomepro.com/tsclient/ Anyone else using symbiont? Anyone else using something similar? best, dennis Matthew Ross wrote: > I'm curious of anybody has either heard of something like this, or if > they're currently working on this kind of a project? > > An interface which will allow an administrator to have easier control > over the various client options. Text based, Web based or in a graphical > X environment, It really doesn't matter, this tool would allow changes > made to machines, especially as it comes to the lts.conf file. Sound > card configuration, custom Video card settings, all on a per-client > (more specifically a per-MAC address) basis. > > If a project like this is in the works, could somebody point me toward > it? If there is no such project, I just might be ambitious enough (even > though my coding skills don't quite meet the challenge) to make a Webmin > module. > > --Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jun 13 23:15:43 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:15:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XDCMP through an 'Internal' Firewall In-Reply-To: <003101c44fc3$5e2d4a60$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <001201c44f98$6fd5c380$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <40C992ED.1050901@cmosnetworks.com> <003101c44fc3$5e2d4a60$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <40CCE01F.7050700@cmosnetworks.com> Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >>Hello Gavin, >> >>Any particular reason why you need to forward XDMCP through a firewall? >>Usually, X11 is never run across the Internet for security reasons; it's >>generally kept to the trusted network. >> >> > >Yes I know & understand the security issues, but I didn't say that >the clients will be going over the internet, I just said trough a >firewall... >the firewall is 1 of a few internal network firewalls that allow us to >control the flow of data that bit better on our network... All of the >networks are 'Trusted' as they are all part of our very large network... >The firewall in question is one of the firewalls that controls data across >from 1 campus to the other.. >I hope that helps... > Oh, OK. When you said "through a firewall", I just figured you meant across the Internet. My mistake. Sounds like you've got a pretty complex setup there! :-) What I would do is get the IP address of your thin client and look to see what traffic is attempting to pass through the firewall to/from that IP address. Then, when it shows up at the firewall (getting blocked, I presume), you can just open up that type of traffic, and you should be good to go. How far are your clients getting in the boot process? --TP From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Jun 13 23:27:45 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:27:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tell me why this doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Anyway, our file servers run OS X server, offering authentication for the >Macs and LTSP over LDAP and run as a PDC for our Windows clients. The >macs >mount the home directories over AFP, LTSP over NFS, and the Windows >clients use SMB. The students can go to any machine in the building and >log in and automatically have access to their files. As soon as I test an >AppleWorks solution for LTSP this summer, I'll be a happy man. I actually have a dual processor Xserve with 512 mb RAM and a couple HD's....more on the way. any idea how well the Xserve will serve LTSP homes via NFS? Do you have a how-to for setting this up? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robark at telus.net Mon Jun 14 01:31:09 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:31:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repost: KStars downloaded images blank In-Reply-To: <40CC8D04.7010103@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> <40C992A7.7080902@cmosnetworks.com> <40CC8D04.7010103@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200406131831.09494.robark@telus.net> I did email the developers/maintainers yesterday but no reponse back yet. I'll let you know when they do. Thanks for your confirmation of the problem Terrell. I appreciate your help. Robert Arkiletian On Sunday 13 June 2004 10:21 am, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > I have replicated your results w/ K12LTSP 3.1.1; KStars doesn't itself > show anything but blackness in the "image" window, but I can save it and > view it in, say, Eye of Gnome. I wanted to try it w/o any updates to > 3.1.2, just in case that was it. > > I've also tried it after updating to 3.1.2 (apt-get update, apt-get > upgrade). My results now are less positive, because now KStars dies > with ASSERT statements in qvaluelist.h (some Qt header). > > Have you reported what you've found to the KStars maintaner(s)? > > --TP > > Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > I'll try it out this weekend and let you know what I find; I've got a > > server box handy that I can use for this purpose. I've just been so > > swamped this last week, otherwise I'd have this done for you by now. > > > > --TP > > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> ***** Has anyone gotten KStars show image to work on a client ? ******* > >> > >> Update: > >> I stuck in a S3 virge gx2 and the same problem persists. I asked a > >> friend about this and he asked a friend and he replied: > >> =========================================== > >> - This sort of problem is often due to inadequate support for graphics > >> acceleration. KStars as provided by Debian is dynamically linked to the > >> GL libraries. Perhaps he should check what package he's using to > >> provide > >> libGL on his server; in an LTSP setup, something software-only like > >> mesag3 > >> might be worth trying. > >> > >> - FWIW, I tried running KStars through an SSH tunnel (a possibly similar > >> scenario) and did observe the problem described (but with the DSS query > >> feature - a star with the SEDS option wasn't immediately handy): image > >> downloaded but only a blank image-viewer window appearing. At the time > >> the image-viewer window appeared I got the following errors on the > >> console: > >> > >> kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access > >> private resource denied) \x0a > >> Major opcode: \x92 > >> kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared > >> segment parameter) \xab > >> Major opcode: \x92 > >> kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared > >> segment parameter) \xab > >> Major opcode: \x92 > >> ============================================ > >> > >> I can't figure out why KStars would need opengl support when it's > >> only displaying jpg's and gif's. > >> ***** Has anyone gotten KStars show image to work on a client ? ******* > >> > >> Robert Arkiletian > >> > >> On Friday 04 June 2004 11:45 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >>> Well all 30 of them use nvidia riva 128's but I do have a S3 trio64+ > >>> and an > >>> old matrox sitting around. Thanks for the idea Terrell. I will pop > >>> out an > >>> nvidia card on one of them and test it out on monday. But I doubt it > >>> will > >>> make any difference because if I SAVE the image with KStars I can > >>> then view > >>> it with any image viewer (gimp, eog, web browsers). It's a real > >>> showstopper > >>> if you have to save and then open the image with another viewer > >>> though. I > >>> still think it has something to do with kdeinit and/or the XF86config > >>> settings in lts.conf. What I am looking for from this listserve is just > >>> some people to take a couple of seconds and try KStars from a client > >>> and > >>> see if they experience the same problem. > >>> If they do, then I'm going to contact the developers and see if I can > >>> report it as a bug. > >>> > >>> Thanks for your reply Terrell, I appreciate it. > >>> > >>> Robert Arkiletian > >>> Eric Hamber Secondary > >>> > >>> On Friday 04 June 2004 7:15 pm, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > >>>> Do you by any chance have a thin client with any other type of video > >>>> card? You're right; if they're just GIFs and JPEGs, they should > >>>> display > >>>> just fine. Also, if you go Web surfing on your clients, do the > >>>> GIFs and > >>>> JPEGs display properly? When you save these images from within > >>>> KStars, > >>>> can you view them with, say, Kuickshow, Electric Eyes, or The GIMP on > >>>> your clients? > >>>> > >>>> --TP > >>>> > >>>> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >>>>> Right clicking on a heavenly body in KStars will usually bring up the > >>>>> "Show SEDS image" option. The image downloads but it will not display > >>>>> with KStars. The image window is blank. > >>>>> > >>>>> I can save the image okay, though. This problem only exists on my > >>>>> clients. They are all nvidia riva 128's. However, on the server which > >>>>> has an on board ATI rage pro chip the images appear properly > >>>>> (regardless if I log in as root or a user). However, on the clients, > >>>>> even as root I do not get an image (just black space in the image > >>>>> window) > >>>>> > >>>>> So it's not a permission problem. I figure it must be a problem with > >>>>> XF86Config for the clients and server being different. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have enabled 24 bit color (as the riva 128 can't do 16 with xfree86 > >>>>> 4.3) and set XSERVER = auto in lts.conf. I even tried XSERVER = > >>>>> nv, no > >>>>> luck. The damn images are just gif's and jpg's. Any video card should > >>>>> be able to display them. > >>>>> > >>>>> I looked at top (interactive A option) and I found the program was > >>>>> ----------kdeinit------------ that was trying to display the images. > >>>>> I don't know anything about kdeinit but it must somehow call an image > >>>>> viewing mechanism. Somehow the client xserver is not able to display > >>>>> the downloaded image with kdeinit. > >>>>> > >>>>> Can someone try to view these celestial SEDS images on their > >>>>> clients and > >>>>> confirm this behavior??? KStars is an awsome program worth the > >>>>> effort. > >>>>> > >>>>> Do I need any modules loaded with Xfree86? Anyone have any ideas to > >>>>> solve this issue. > >>>>> > >>>>> BTW I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 > >>>>> > >>>>> Robert Arkiletian > >>>>> Eric Hamber Secondary > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jun 14 01:44:04 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:44:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Repost: KStars downloaded images blank In-Reply-To: <200406131831.09494.robark@telus.net> References: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> <40C992A7.7080902@cmosnetworks.com> <40CC8D04.7010103@cmosnetworks.com> <200406131831.09494.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <40CD02E4.2040505@cmosnetworks.com> I think it's worth it to try this out on K12 4.0.x as well. Soon as I get some time this week, I'll give that a shot, too. Does KStars come w/4.0.x? BTW, I am a bit concerned about apt hosing it on 3.1.2. That's not supposed to happen! --TP Robert Arkiletian wrote: >I did email the developers/maintainers yesterday but no reponse back yet. >I'll let you know when they do. Thanks for your confirmation of the problem >Terrell. I appreciate your help. > >Robert Arkiletian > > >On Sunday 13 June 2004 10:21 am, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > >>I have replicated your results w/ K12LTSP 3.1.1; KStars doesn't itself >>show anything but blackness in the "image" window, but I can save it and >>view it in, say, Eye of Gnome. I wanted to try it w/o any updates to >>3.1.2, just in case that was it. >> >>I've also tried it after updating to 3.1.2 (apt-get update, apt-get >>upgrade). My results now are less positive, because now KStars dies >>with ASSERT statements in qvaluelist.h (some Qt header). >> >>Have you reported what you've found to the KStars maintaner(s)? >> >>--TP >> >>Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >> >> >>>I'll try it out this weekend and let you know what I find; I've got a >>>server box handy that I can use for this purpose. I've just been so >>>swamped this last week, otherwise I'd have this done for you by now. >>> >>>--TP >>> >>>Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>> >>> >>>>***** Has anyone gotten KStars show image to work on a client ? ******* >>>> >>>>Update: >>>>I stuck in a S3 virge gx2 and the same problem persists. I asked a >>>>friend about this and he asked a friend and he replied: >>>>=========================================== >>>>- This sort of problem is often due to inadequate support for graphics >>>>acceleration. KStars as provided by Debian is dynamically linked to the >>>>GL libraries. Perhaps he should check what package he's using to >>>>provide >>>>libGL on his server; in an LTSP setup, something software-only like >>>>mesag3 >>>>might be worth trying. >>>> >>>>- FWIW, I tried running KStars through an SSH tunnel (a possibly similar >>>>scenario) and did observe the problem described (but with the DSS query >>>>feature - a star with the SEDS option wasn't immediately handy): image >>>>downloaded but only a blank image-viewer window appearing. At the time >>>>the image-viewer window appeared I got the following errors on the >>>>console: >>>> >>>>kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access >>>>private resource denied) \x0a >>>> Major opcode: \x92 >>>>kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared >>>>segment parameter) \xab >>>> Major opcode: \x92 >>>>kstars: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared >>>>segment parameter) \xab >>>> Major opcode: \x92 >>>>============================================ >>>> >>>>I can't figure out why KStars would need opengl support when it's >>>>only displaying jpg's and gif's. >>>>***** Has anyone gotten KStars show image to work on a client ? ******* >>>> >>>>Robert Arkiletian >>>> >>>>On Friday 04 June 2004 11:45 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Well all 30 of them use nvidia riva 128's but I do have a S3 trio64+ >>>>>and an >>>>>old matrox sitting around. Thanks for the idea Terrell. I will pop >>>>>out an >>>>>nvidia card on one of them and test it out on monday. But I doubt it >>>>>will >>>>>make any difference because if I SAVE the image with KStars I can >>>>>then view >>>>>it with any image viewer (gimp, eog, web browsers). It's a real >>>>>showstopper >>>>>if you have to save and then open the image with another viewer >>>>>though. I >>>>>still think it has something to do with kdeinit and/or the XF86config >>>>>settings in lts.conf. What I am looking for from this listserve is just >>>>>some people to take a couple of seconds and try KStars from a client >>>>>and >>>>>see if they experience the same problem. >>>>>If they do, then I'm going to contact the developers and see if I can >>>>>report it as a bug. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for your reply Terrell, I appreciate it. >>>>> >>>>>Robert Arkiletian >>>>>Eric Hamber Secondary >>>>> >>>>>On Friday 04 June 2004 7:15 pm, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Do you by any chance have a thin client with any other type of video >>>>>>card? You're right; if they're just GIFs and JPEGs, they should >>>>>>display >>>>>>just fine. Also, if you go Web surfing on your clients, do the >>>>>>GIFs and >>>>>>JPEGs display properly? When you save these images from within >>>>>>KStars, >>>>>>can you view them with, say, Kuickshow, Electric Eyes, or The GIMP on >>>>>>your clients? >>>>>> >>>>>>--TP >>>>>> >>>>>>Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Right clicking on a heavenly body in KStars will usually bring up the >>>>>>>"Show SEDS image" option. The image downloads but it will not display >>>>>>>with KStars. The image window is blank. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I can save the image okay, though. This problem only exists on my >>>>>>>clients. They are all nvidia riva 128's. However, on the server which >>>>>>>has an on board ATI rage pro chip the images appear properly >>>>>>>(regardless if I log in as root or a user). However, on the clients, >>>>>>>even as root I do not get an image (just black space in the image >>>>>>>window) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So it's not a permission problem. I figure it must be a problem with >>>>>>>XF86Config for the clients and server being different. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have enabled 24 bit color (as the riva 128 can't do 16 with xfree86 >>>>>>>4.3) and set XSERVER = auto in lts.conf. I even tried XSERVER = >>>>>>>nv, no >>>>>>>luck. The damn images are just gif's and jpg's. Any video card should >>>>>>>be able to display them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I looked at top (interactive A option) and I found the program was >>>>>>>----------kdeinit------------ that was trying to display the images. >>>>>>>I don't know anything about kdeinit but it must somehow call an image >>>>>>>viewing mechanism. Somehow the client xserver is not able to display >>>>>>>the downloaded image with kdeinit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Can someone try to view these celestial SEDS images on their >>>>>>>clients and >>>>>>>confirm this behavior??? KStars is an awsome program worth the >>>>>>>effort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do I need any modules loaded with Xfree86? Anyone have any ideas to >>>>>>>solve this issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>BTW I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Robert Arkiletian >>>>>>>Eric Hamber Secondary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From I.Derks at translucent.nl Mon Jun 14 09:01:51 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:01:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1087203710.3888.18.camel@fedora2.translucent.nl> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 00:23, Joe Guenther wrote: Hmm, this functionality we already have (and much better i.e. without messing up all your conf files) with the webmin LTSP module. In fact the symbiont is a bad copy of the same module and using webmin (1.21) as a back-end. Sorry to be sceptical, but just to add some revamped icons to an already existing opensource application is not convincing enough of any added value. Releasing an existing opensource project again as opensource raises some eyebrows as well... Besides it's not compatible to LTSP 4.x.. Immanuel > I just installed the symbiont GUI on a test server at home and thought the > whole thing looked great ... UNTIL I looked at the dhcpd.conf and lts.conf > files it left behind. It did NOT leave the functional files alone ... it > rewrote them with the few changes I made ... resulting in totally > dysfunctional conf files. with just a few tweaks to the configuration, it > only wrote the changes ... not the stuff that did not change. Conclusion > ... either use only this, or use the text files as they come from Jim > McQuillan, but you would not want to use both methods of editing the conf > files. > > It is a bit like samba-swat that also re-writes your files, it at least > leaves a functional all inclusive version of the configuration. That said > ... Symbiont workstation manager at least left a nice backup of the files. > > I personally use Kate to do my editing. You can load the various files and > leave them displayed on the screen. Next time you open Kate those files are > all nicely there. I can make changes in dhcpd.conf and then flip to the > terminal window, also in Kate and do the /sbin/service dhcpd restart and > all the changes take effect. This also allows one to make lots of comment > lines in the conf files.... which workstation this is ... location ... all > the wonderful examples in the files as they come out of the box. > > So I was impressed with the nice visual gui, but the way they write to the > files is totally unusable in my opinion. > > greetings > Joe Guenther > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > LANtech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Dennis Daniels > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:04 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? > > > It does look pretty good: > http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_pag > e&PAGE_id=29&MMN_position=64:45:61 > > looks more robust than: > http://www.gnomepro.com/tsclient/ > > Anyone else using symbiont? Anyone else using something similar? > best, > dennis > > Matthew Ross wrote: > > I'm curious of anybody has either heard of something like this, or if > > they're currently working on this kind of a project? > > > > An interface which will allow an administrator to have easier control > > over the various client options. Text based, Web based or in a graphical > > X environment, It really doesn't matter, this tool would allow changes > > made to machines, especially as it comes to the lts.conf file. Sound > > card configuration, custom Video card settings, all on a per-client > > (more specifically a per-MAC address) basis. > > > > If a project like this is in the works, could somebody point me toward > > it? If there is no such project, I just might be ambitious enough (even > > though my coding skills don't quite meet the challenge) to make a Webmin > > module. > > > > --Matt > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Jun 12 01:45:10 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:45:10 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] RE: [K12OSN] setting the default KDE menus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406112142.21883.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Monday 07 June 2004 16:04, Joe Guenther wrote: > On Friday I edited a bunch of changes in the KDE menus ... moved things Can someone tell me how that /var/lib/menu/kde system works. What effect > do changes have here? What makes it go back to its default. Where can I > change what the defaults are like? > Redhat has it's own set of tools to control the menus,...and I believe there is no menu editor with RedHat nine. I know that I modifiy my K12LTSP 3.x using the following rather sloppy notes as a guide. (Please note that though the notes often refer to gnome editing the master files as described also updates KDE menus.) menus are controled by /etc/X11/desktop-menus (highest level) /usr/share/desktop-menu-files (folders on the menu) individual menu and desktop item file locations preferred = /usr/share/applications legacy = /etc/X11/applnk, /usr/share/gnome/apps, /usr/share/applnk Control Panel = /usr/share/control-centexer-2.0, /usr/share/gnome/capplets 1. Removing menu item from ALL desktops you must edit /etc/X11/desktop-menus/applications.menu 2. For specific users you must do: cd ~/.gnome2/vfolders cp /etc/X11/desktop-menus/applications.menu applications.vfolder-info and edit applications.vfolder-info 3. Edit specific menuitem files in specific folders (categories row). Where gnome search his menu files is described in the beginning of application.menu file. As you see, application.menu consist from blocks very similar to gmome menu hierarchy. Every section describe his menu file and content word (maybe with AND / OR way). Every menu item file consist Categories row. So, content word says, what menu files must be in this menu and it looks from categoies row :) That simple is it. For example: Games keyword is Game And some files in /usr/share/applications/ have word "Game" in content. /usr/share/applications/gnome-gnibbles.desktop Categories=GNOME;Application;Game;PuzzleGame;X-Red-Hat-Base; You can make your own menus by adding new sections to applications.menu and adding new items to Categories. -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From julius at turtle.com Mon Jun 14 13:59:57 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Over Dialup In-Reply-To: <002b01c44ff5$54f60e50$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> References: <002b01c44ff5$54f60e50$6401a8c0@DH3MR411> Message-ID: <33832.67.98.112.17.1087221597.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > Yes, I know the "Evil Empire" cannot be trusted. Still I have to > believe there is *something* that will work well over a dialup. Does > anyone know anything about "SSH"? > bot ssh and ssl work fine over dial-up links, especially if you don't use graphics. julius From troybanther at plateautel.net Mon Jun 14 14:06:57 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:06:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin-Client Success Story Message-ID: <1087222017.2484.24.camel@supervisor> I like this one. http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7753498575.html Troy -- troy banther - avid linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com ---- Personal views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, non-linear thinking, vegan food preferences, active non-violence, compassionate living, or anything else I might infer are mine only. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own. ------------------------------------------------------ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 14 15:39:18 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:39:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repost: KStars downloaded images blank In-Reply-To: <40CD02E4.2040505@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> <40C992A7.7080902@cmosnetworks.com> <40CC8D04.7010103@cmosnetworks.com> <200406131831.09494.robark@telus.net> <40CD02E4.2040505@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1087227558.2265.100.camel@server.ltsp> On Sun, 2004-06-13 at 18:44, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > I think it's worth it to try this out on K12 4.0.x as well. Soon as I > get some time this week, I'll give that a shot, too. Does KStars come > w/4.0.x? The same issue exists in K12LTSP 4.0.x. It works fine in 4.1.x. K12LTSP 3.1.x & 4.0.x use KDE 3.1, K12LTSP 4.1.x uses KDE 3.2. I used the same terminal, altering only the XDM_SERVER setting, for my testing. So I assume that the problem is in KDE or one of the supporting libraries, rather than something on the LTSP side. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Jun 14 17:00:43 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:00:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tell me why this doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20040614013619.B66947373B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040614013619.B66947373B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087232443.4582.31.camel@phoenix> David, I have no idea how well the XServe will serve up home directories, however you might look into doing software raid/lvm, especially if the server is only going to handle home shares (That can be another topic). Setting up NFS is pretty easy. 1: Setup how you want /home to be on the Xserve (directory off of the / partition, its own drive, or raided/LMVed drive). 2: I am not going to delve into firewall issues at the moment, so I am assuming you aren't filtering inbound connections on this XServe. 3: Add an entry to /etc/exports like: /home ???.???.???.???(sync,rw) where ???.???.???.??? is either the ip address or the hostname of the client(s) you wish to export to. Since you are exporting to the LTSP server, then you should only have to add one entry.... make sure though the hostname can be resolved (ie: ping hostname)!!! For security purposes, the root account on the LTSP server will not have full access to the NFS share... to get that add ",no_root_squash" after "rw". 4: Restart/start nfs on the server.... perform "service nfs start" if starting the nfs server cold, and "service nfs reload" to reload the changes from /etc/exports if you already run nfs. 5: Make NFS startup default. If you don't have nfs starting up at boot, just run "chkconfig nfs on" and that should activate the appropriate runlevels. ----Server config done! The "client" is actually the LTSP server (or any other workstations you are going to export to). This end is really easy. 1: Make sure the /home directory on the "client" is empty... if it isn't and you are planning to move the files to the new NFS home, just "mv home home.old" and make a new home directory (don't forget about copying the old user dirs later if applicable!) 2: Now run "mount ???.???.???.???:/home /home" where ???.???... is the ip address or hostname of the NFS SERVER. Now if this doesn't work, you should make sure you started/restarted/reloaded the NFS server on the fileserver, and then make sure anything like a firewall on that system (or the client) is blocking... you could test by running "service iptables stop" or "service ipchains stop" on both the server and client to temporarily remove firewalling... but only do this if your systems are protected internally... use caution and discretion if they are accessible from the net either directly or via port forwarding. 3: If 2 works, then add this to /etc/fstab: "???.???.???.???:/home /home nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0" and that should work. 4: Unmount your temporarily mounted /home "umount /home" and just run "mount /home" and that will get you up to full functionality. ----End client config Check out http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ if you need any more information or if I missed something (rolling off the top of my head). Good luck! Let me know if you have any problems! On a side note, I'm doing something cool with autofs... I will probably have home directories off of 3 systems (mine,fileserver, and TS).. so I am setting it up that no matter what system your user directory is on, it will always be available under /home... -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org David Trask wrote: >I actually have a dual processor Xserve with 512 mb RAM and a couple >HD's....more on the way. any idea how well the Xserve will serve LTSP >homes via NFS? Do you have a how-to for setting this up? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Mon Jun 14 17:24:49 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:24:49 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Run a Shell Script @ Logoff Message-ID: <001201c45234$7eeb8dc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All... Just a quick one this time.... as you have probably guessed from the subject, I would like to run a Shell Script when the user logs off of the system... I use IceWM as the desktop environment if that helps... Thank you for any pointers.. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Create one if it's not present. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jritchie at bible.edu Mon Jun 14 18:07:04 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:07:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Run a Shell Script @ Logoff In-Reply-To: <37343.127.0.0.1.1087234978.squirrel@127.0.0.1> References: <001201c45234$7eeb8dc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <37343.127.0.0.1.1087234978.squirrel@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <1087236424.27592.83.camel@penguin> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 13:42, Dan Young wrote: > > Just a quick one this time.... > > as you have probably guessed from the subject, I would like to > > run a Shell Script when the user logs off of the system... > > Edit the user's ~/.bash_logout file. Create one if it's not present. That's for individual users, but isn't there a place for all of them at once? Kinda a default bash_logout? I can't remember it's location, but I'm almost certain it's possible. JSR/ From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Jun 14 18:18:45 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:18:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Run a Shell Script @ Logoff In-Reply-To: <1087236424.27592.83.camel@penguin> References: <001201c45234$7eeb8dc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <37343.127.0.0.1.1087234978.squirrel@127.0.0.1> <1087236424.27592.83.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1087237125.20049.9.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 11:07, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 13:42, Dan Young wrote: > > > Just a quick one this time.... > > > as you have probably guessed from the subject, I would like to > > > run a Shell Script when the user logs off of the system... > > > > Edit the user's ~/.bash_logout file. Create one if it's not present. > > That's for individual users, but isn't there a place for all of them at > once? Kinda a default bash_logout? I can't remember it's location, but > I'm almost certain it's possible. You could source an /etc/bash_logout as with bashrc. Put a default .bash_logout in /etc/skel (doesn't Redhat already have one here that "clear"s on logout?), and then just copy it out to existing users. /etc/skel/.bash_logout ------------------------------- # Source global definitions if [ -f /etc/bash_logout ]; then . /etc/bash_logout fi # User-specific stuff goes here ------------------------------- Then change your /etc/bash_logout to suit. -- Dan Young Parkose School District From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 14 18:22:16 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:22:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repost: KStars downloaded images blank In-Reply-To: <1087227558.2265.100.camel@server.ltsp> References: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> <40C992A7.7080902@cmosnetworks.com> <40CC8D04.7010103@cmosnetworks.com> <200406131831.09494.robark@telus.net> <40CD02E4.2040505@cmosnetworks.com> <1087227558.2265.100.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1087237335.2265.113.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 08:39, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 2004-06-13 at 18:44, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > I think it's worth it to try this out on K12 4.0.x as well. Soon as I > > get some time this week, I'll give that a shot, too. Does KStars come > > w/4.0.x? > > The same issue exists in K12LTSP 4.0.x. It works fine in 4.1.x. > > K12LTSP 3.1.x & 4.0.x use KDE 3.1, K12LTSP 4.1.x uses KDE 3.2. > > I used the same terminal, altering only the XDM_SERVER setting, > for my testing. So I assume that the problem is in KDE or one of > the supporting libraries, rather than something on the LTSP side. I tested an upgrade of KDE to version 3.2 on K12LTSP 3.1.2 & K12LTSP 4.0.1 servers. Both now show the downloaded images in kstars. I have no idea if this breaks anything else... as such I HIGHLY discourage from trying this on a production server. I had to use some of the K12LTSP 4.0.x packages on K12LTSP 3.1.x to get this to work, so it is especially iffy on K12LTSP 3.1.x. If you test this, and all works well for you, please let us know. Okay, disclaimers aside, I used the unofficial KDE 3.2.2 rpms from kde.org. I added all of the packages + the dependencies into a yum/ apt archive. This (should) work for both K12LTSP 3.1.x and 4.0.x: /etc/yum.conf [kde32] name=KDE 3.2 RPMS baseurl=ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/kde3.2/ /etc/apt/sources.d/kde32.list rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt kde3.2 kde fedora In K12LTSP 4.0.x, you can use up2date: /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources yum kde32 ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/kde3.2/ -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Jun 14 18:25:56 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:25:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Terminal Services Prototype! Message-ID: <1087237556.4582.48.camel@phoenix> Folks, I saw this today on fedoranews.org... basically someone is working on (and has a prototype) of a "VNC based terminal services system which also allows hot-desking". It basically permits disconnections and reconnections to your own vnc session (moving terminals, terminal dying on you)... much like Terminal Services for Windows. GDM manages it all. Here's the thread: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-June/msg00007.html -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 14 18:29:54 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:29:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Run a Shell Script @ Logoff In-Reply-To: <37343.127.0.0.1.1087234978.squirrel@127.0.0.1> References: <001201c45234$7eeb8dc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <37343.127.0.0.1.1087234978.squirrel@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <1087237793.2265.120.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 10:42, Dan Young wrote: > > Just a quick one this time.... > > as you have probably guessed from the subject, I would like to > > run a Shell Script when the user logs off of the system... > > Edit the user's ~/.bash_logout file. Create one if it's not present. > bash_logout is executed every time a login shell is exited, as opposed to a user logging out. That could really bite, depending on what was executed... I'll follow-up to the original post with an alternate method. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You'll find this in: /usr/share/icewm/preferences If your script needs to run as root, you can have GDM or KDM do the dirty work. For GDM, see /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default and for KDM see /etc/kde/kdm/Xreset -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Jun 14 18:38:42 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:38:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Run a Shell Script @ Logoff In-Reply-To: <1087237793.2265.120.camel@server.ltsp> References: <001201c45234$7eeb8dc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <37343.127.0.0.1.1087234978.squirrel@127.0.0.1> <1087237793.2265.120.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1087238322.21592.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 11:29, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 10:42, Dan Young wrote: > > > Just a quick one this time.... > > > as you have probably guessed from the subject, I would like to > > > run a Shell Script when the user logs off of the system... > > > > Edit the user's ~/.bash_logout file. Create one if it's not present. > > > > bash_logout is executed every time a login shell is exited, as opposed > to a user logging out. That could really bite, depending on what was > executed... Doh! Ignore me, please. Plus, GDM sessions aren't login shells, so they don't run .bash_logout. I was doubly-wrong! -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Mon Jun 14 18:46:00 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:46:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Run a Shell Script @ Logoff References: <001201c45234$7eeb8dc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk><37343.127.0.0.1.1087234978.squirrel@127.0.0.1><1087237793.2265.120.camel@server.ltsp> <1087238322.21592.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <002501c4523f$d6432b40$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> > Doh! Ignore me, please. Plus, GDM sessions aren't login shells, so they > don't run .bash_logout. I was doubly-wrong! wow.... Lucky I read this before I started pulling my hair out.... I have been trying to get the .bash_logout to work since Dan's 1st E-Mail... and was just about to post back to the list 'I cant get it to work, What am I doing wrong" type E-Mail.... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Jun 14 18:53:10 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:53:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Run a Shell Script @ Logoff In-Reply-To: <002501c4523f$d6432b40$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <001201c45234$7eeb8dc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <37343.127.0.0.1.1087234978.squirrel@127.0.0.1> <1087237793.2265.120.camel@server.ltsp> <1087238322.21592.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <002501c4523f$d6432b40$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1087239189.21592.6.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 11:46, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > Doh! Ignore me, please. Plus, GDM sessions aren't login shells, so they > > don't run .bash_logout. I was doubly-wrong! > > wow.... Lucky I read this before I started pulling my hair out.... > I have been trying to get the .bash_logout to work since Dan's > 1st E-Mail... and was just about to post back to the list 'I cant > get it to work, What am I doing wrong" type E-Mail.... Right. I'm brain-dead this morning. Works from a console login, but not a XDM/GDM/KDM session. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jun 14 18:57:45 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude') Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:57:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux kernel DoS exploit -- don't need root! Message-ID: <40CDF529.80206@cmosnetworks.com> Hello folks, I don't have read-access to my K12OSN folder, as I am at work, so if this has already been announced, my apologies. There is a newly-discovered bug in the Linux kernel versions 2.4 and 2.6 (nearly every version on nearly every distro) that will lock a GNU/Linux box. All you need is shell access; *you do not need root*. That means that any rambunctious kid could lock your K12LTSP server(s)! Yes, there is a patch. I don't know if there's a Fedora-, WBEL-, or RHEL-specific update at this time. Here's the link: http://linuxreviews.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html --TP From kdanb at kdanb.com Mon Jun 14 19:01:54 2004 From: kdanb at kdanb.com (Daniel Button) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:01:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Adding Users Message-ID: <1087239714.2852.3.camel@brendam> Well.... I can help with the NIS. I will be out of town for a couple of weeks, but we'll see what happens. Check out http://www.ibiblio.org/mdw/HOWTO/NIS-HOWTO/index.html to get started with NIS. Anybody else have a good HOW-TO for LDAP? Dan Message: 1 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: xyz xyz Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Adding Users To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <20040612001327.41415.qmail at web52905.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Dan I think that sounds like a better option - i'm going to give it a try on two spare p4's - i'm sure i'll need some help along the way though - i remember seeing links to some user guides - could you point me in that direction please. > > Howdy, > > Have you considered setting up NIS or LDAP for > the two machines? > With NIS, you can set one up as the master and the > other as the slave. > You can make changes on the master and the slave > would pick up those > changes whenever the maps are pushed out. You could > make additional > maps in addition to those that are default (passwd, > shadow, hosts, > etc.) Haven't played with LDAP, but the idea is the > same. I hope to do > it this summer. Time permitting.... > > Dan > > > > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:09:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: xyz xyz > Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Users > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <20040611130944.39299.qmail at web52906.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > posted this a few days ago with no response - can > anyone help me. > > ........... > I have one machine with k12OS running as samba > server > and > another machine running K12LTSP as terminal server. > > I intend to add all users to the samba server and > then > copy passwd, group and shadow files over to terminal > server on a daily/twice daily cron job. > > I too hope to use some kind of text file containing > first name and last name and SIN# which will extract > a > username and password from this data and add these > -------------- next part -------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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The Q&A page at k12ltsp.org says to update the following files /etc/exports /etc/hosts.allow /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat /etc/hosts /etc/dhcpd.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/hosts-update.sh /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/setup-update.sh I also updated the "default ip, netmask, and network addresses:" section of /opt/ltsp/templates/k12ltsp/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize. The files still get populated with *some* incorrect information. i.e. the X11 info in /etc/exports gets updated, but /opt/ltsp/i386 share does not. Can anyone tell me which files I have to update so the the correct IP info gets populated every time. I have to make this work on 5 servers, and would rather that I could run yum knowing that re-initializing the server would not break the network. Thanks in advance. Lewis From csitech at davisny.edu Mon Jun 14 19:48:50 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:48:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux kernel DoS exploit -- don't need root! In-Reply-To: <40CDF529.80206@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40CDF529.80206@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1087242530.2221.4.camel@localhost> Yeah, I'm none too pleased. Oh well, I suppose I'm off to recompile the kernel. Eric, will the next version of K12 come "out of the box" with the patch? I know you might not have an answer for that right this second, or perhaps you've already answered it somewhere and I missed it. Thanks in advance. -Calvin On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 14:57, Terrell Prude' wrote: > Hello folks, > > I don't have read-access to my K12OSN folder, as I am at work, so if > this has already been announced, my apologies. > > There is a newly-discovered bug in the Linux kernel versions 2.4 and 2.6 > (nearly every version on nearly every distro) that will lock a GNU/Linux > box. All you need is shell access; *you do not need root*. That means > that any rambunctious kid could lock your K12LTSP server(s)! > > Yes, there is a patch. I don't know if there's a Fedora-, WBEL-, or > RHEL-specific update at this time. > > Here's the link: > > http://linuxreviews.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html > > --TP > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 14 20:23:15 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:23:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux kernel DoS exploit -- don't need root! In-Reply-To: <1087242530.2221.4.camel@localhost> References: <40CDF529.80206@cmosnetworks.com> <1087242530.2221.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1087244594.2265.136.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 12:48, Calvin Park wrote: > Yeah, I'm none too pleased. Oh well, I suppose I'm off to recompile the > kernel. > > Eric, will the next version of K12 come "out of the box" with the patch? > I know you might not have an answer for that right this second, or > perhaps you've already answered it somewhere and I missed it. Thanks in > advance. > > -Calvin A patched kernel for FC2 was uploaded about 45mins ago. I don't have a local copy yet. Presumably a FC1 version will be available shortly. Apt/up2date/yum will pick up the patched kernel as soon as it is mirrored. As for the next builds of K12LTSP, yes I generally do include all of the security patches. Kernels can be tricky, however, so I won't 100% guarantee that this will be included. If you already have K12LTSP installed, you'll pick up the patched kernel via apt/up2date/yum and thus don't have to worry too much about what patches are, or are not, included in the next release of K12LTSP... -Eric > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 14:57, Terrell Prude' wrote: > > Hello folks, > > > > I don't have read-access to my K12OSN folder, as I am at work, so if > > this has already been announced, my apologies. > > > > There is a newly-discovered bug in the Linux kernel versions 2.4 and 2.6 > > (nearly every version on nearly every distro) that will lock a GNU/Linux > > box. All you need is shell access; *you do not need root*. That means > > that any rambunctious kid could lock your K12LTSP server(s)! > > > > Yes, there is a patch. I don't know if there's a Fedora-, WBEL-, or > > RHEL-specific update at this time. > > > > Here's the link: > > > > http://linuxreviews.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html > > > > --TP > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 14 20:34:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:34:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux kernel DoS exploit -- don't need root! In-Reply-To: <1087242530.2221.4.camel@localhost> References: <40CDF529.80206@cmosnetworks.com> <1087242530.2221.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1087245244.17500.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 14:48, Calvin Park wrote: > Yeah, I'm none too pleased. Oh well, I suppose I'm off to recompile the > kernel. > > Eric, will the next version of K12 come "out of the box" with the patch? > I know you might not have an answer for that right this second, or > perhaps you've already answered it somewhere and I missed it. Thanks in > advance. 'yum update' should grab the fix as soon as it is ready for each release. Fedora FC2 is already there as kernel-0-2.6-1.435. I've always questioned the wisdom of using old versions for 'stability' because when a new exploit for anything is discovered the developers will almost certainly fix tje most current code first and then the backport patches into old versions take additional time. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jun 14 20:35:35 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:35:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux kernel DoS exploit -- don't need root! In-Reply-To: <40CDF529.80206@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <003b01c4524f$259f2fe0$1803010a@paasda.org> to patch with apt-get will the following work? apt-get update kernel oddly enough yum takes hours to complete a simple update while apt-get take less than 20 minutes... is this because of the size of repositories or just some funkyness with my test-server? I ask, because it seems any time I've done a complete upgrade that my config settings get all messed up(overwritten). --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude' Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:58 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Linux kernel DoS exploit -- don't need root! Hello folks, I don't have read-access to my K12OSN folder, as I am at work, so if this has already been announced, my apologies. There is a newly-discovered bug in the Linux kernel versions 2.4 and 2.6 (nearly every version on nearly every distro) that will lock a GNU/Linux box. All you need is shell access; *you do not need root*. That means that any rambunctious kid could lock your K12LTSP server(s)! Yes, there is a patch. I don't know if there's a Fedora-, WBEL-, or RHEL-specific update at this time. Here's the link: http://linuxreviews.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html --TP _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 14 21:10:39 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:10:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux kernel DoS exploit -- don't need root! In-Reply-To: <003b01c4524f$259f2fe0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003b01c4524f$259f2fe0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1087247439.17500.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 15:35, Huck wrote: > to patch with apt-get will the following work? > > apt-get update kernel With apt, you have to: apt-get update first to pick up a fresh list of available updates, then since the kernel has multiple versions doing: apt-get install kernel will give you a list of available kernels. You have to pick the one you want from the list and repeat the command with the version included. > oddly enough yum takes hours to complete a simple update > while apt-get take less than 20 minutes... > is this because of the size of repositories or just some funkyness with > my test-server? Yum keeps headers for each package in a separate file and updates them every time you run. If a lot has changed it may take a long time to pull all the updated headers. Otherwise there shouldn't be a huge difference and yum knows more about installing kernels. Usually (always?) it will pick the right one and make it the boot default. > I ask, because it seems any time I've done a complete upgrade that my > config settings get all messed up(overwritten). It is up to rpm packages whether they overwrite config files or not and in some cases neither way is right so apt/yum version upgrades don't always work but they should be safe for updates within a release. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jun 14 21:43:44 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:43:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] video set to 'auto' Message-ID: <004101c45258$aa9e0960$1803010a@paasda.org> in the lts.conf file if I have the default set to 'auto' it works with most of the newer agp video cards. it does not work, however with many of the all-in-one boards and a lot of the older pci stuff from s3, cirrus, etc... I'm wondering if there is a way for the 'auto' to fallback to 'vesa' automagically if it does not find anything via the probing that it does. because when I set it to 'vesa' manually ALL of the clients work regardless of their chipset(so far anyway) --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 14 21:42:58 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:42:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux kernel DoS exploit -- don't need root! In-Reply-To: <003b01c4524f$259f2fe0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003b01c4524f$259f2fe0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1087249378.17500.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 15:35, Huck wrote: > oddly enough yum takes hours to complete a simple update > while apt-get take less than 20 minutes... Maybe you configured apt-get to use a proxy. If you want yum to use a proxy you can set the usual environment variables export http_proxy=http://your_squid_server:port export ftp_proxy=http://your_squid_server:port yum update If you have several machines, let one complete the update first so the others can pull from the cache (you probably should tweak the squid 'maximum_object_size' setting to store rpm packages). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Jun 14 21:55:09 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:55:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Oowriter fails in Fedora2 Message-ID: I'm just starting to set up my 30 stand-alone boxes using Fedora 2 vanilla with K12LTSP Icewm rpms from ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.0.1/K12LTSP/RPMS/ice* When I try to run oowriter from Gnome or Icewm gui, or terminal it fails. The terminal returns: [I have no name!@lab101-2 danatest4]$ oowriter Installation of OpenOffice.org 1.1.1 failed: 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/ooo-1.1:/usr/lib/ooo-1.1/program /usr/lib/ooo-1.1/program/setup -R:/etc/openoffice/autoresponse.conf -v -nogui >& ~/.openoffice-install-log' Any ideas would really be appreciated. I'm using NIS, but I never had this problem for the last entire school year... Thanks - Jim _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 14 22:12:18 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:12:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Oowriter fails in Fedora2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1087251137.2265.139.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 14:55, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I'm just starting to set up my 30 stand-alone boxes using Fedora 2 vanilla > with K12LTSP Icewm rpms from > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.0.1/K12LTSP/RPMS/ice* > > When I try to run oowriter from Gnome or Icewm gui, or terminal it fails. > The terminal returns: > > [I have no name!@lab101-2 danatest4]$ oowriter > Installation of OpenOffice.org 1.1.1 failed: > 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/ooo-1.1:/usr/lib/ooo-1.1/program > /usr/lib/ooo-1.1/program/setup -R:/etc/openoffice/autoresponse.conf -v > -nogui >& ~/.openoffice-install-log' The answer is likely in the log file: .openoffice-install-log -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Davis Technology and Information Systems Manager Standard School District 1200 North Chester Ave Bakersfield, CA 93308 USA 661-392-2110 ext 120 From ddaniels at magic.fr Mon Jun 14 23:39:28 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:39:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: <1087203710.3888.18.camel@fedora2.translucent.nl> References: <1087203710.3888.18.camel@fedora2.translucent.nl> Message-ID: <40CE3730.8030605@magic.fr> Hello Immanuel! Where is this webmin module you're talking about?! I'm aware of only one, lightly discussed here with the caveat that it doesn't work. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Software%3AWebmin Do you have other info!? If yes, please share! thanks Dennis Immanuel Derks wrote: > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 00:23, Joe Guenther wrote: > > Hmm, this functionality we already have (and much better i.e. without > messing up all your conf files) with the webmin LTSP module. In fact the > symbiont is a bad copy of the same module and using webmin (1.21) as a > back-end. > Sorry to be sceptical, but just to add some revamped icons to an already > existing opensource application is not convincing enough of any added > value. Releasing an existing opensource project again as opensource > raises some eyebrows as well... > > Besides it's not compatible to LTSP 4.x.. > > Immanuel > > > >>I just installed the symbiont GUI on a test server at home and thought the >>whole thing looked great ... UNTIL I looked at the dhcpd.conf and lts.conf >>files it left behind. It did NOT leave the functional files alone ... it >>rewrote them with the few changes I made ... resulting in totally >>dysfunctional conf files. with just a few tweaks to the configuration, it >>only wrote the changes ... not the stuff that did not change. Conclusion >>... either use only this, or use the text files as they come from Jim >>McQuillan, but you would not want to use both methods of editing the conf >>files. >> >>It is a bit like samba-swat that also re-writes your files, it at least >>leaves a functional all inclusive version of the configuration. That said >>... Symbiont workstation manager at least left a nice backup of the files. >> >>I personally use Kate to do my editing. You can load the various files and >>leave them displayed on the screen. Next time you open Kate those files are >>all nicely there. I can make changes in dhcpd.conf and then flip to the >>terminal window, also in Kate and do the /sbin/service dhcpd restart and >>all the changes take effect. This also allows one to make lots of comment >>lines in the conf files.... which workstation this is ... location ... all >>the wonderful examples in the files as they come out of the box. >> >>So I was impressed with the nice visual gui, but the way they write to the >>files is totally unusable in my opinion. >> >>greetings >>Joe Guenther >>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>LANtech - Didsbury >>Chinook's Edge School Div. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>Behalf Of Dennis Daniels >>Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:04 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? >> >> >>It does look pretty good: >>http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_pag >>e&PAGE_id=29&MMN_position=64:45:61 >> >>looks more robust than: >>http://www.gnomepro.com/tsclient/ >> >>Anyone else using symbiont? Anyone else using something similar? >>best, >>dennis >> >>Matthew Ross wrote: >> >>>I'm curious of anybody has either heard of something like this, or if >>>they're currently working on this kind of a project? >>> >>>An interface which will allow an administrator to have easier control >>>over the various client options. Text based, Web based or in a graphical >>>X environment, It really doesn't matter, this tool would allow changes >>>made to machines, especially as it comes to the lts.conf file. Sound >>>card configuration, custom Video card settings, all on a per-client >>>(more specifically a per-MAC address) basis. >>> >>>If a project like this is in the works, could somebody point me toward >>>it? If there is no such project, I just might be ambitious enough (even >>>though my coding skills don't quite meet the challenge) to make a Webmin >>>module. >>> >>>--Matt >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jun 14 23:48:05 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:48:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: <40CE3730.8030605@magic.fr> Message-ID: <005101c4526a$09aa8e40$1803010a@paasda.org> http://www.webmin.com/ and it works... I dl'd it last week onto k12ltsp 4.0 and it worked fine... of course you must have installed some other things for some of the modules to work.. but that will be self-evident when you attempt to utilize those modules. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Daniels Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 4:39 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? Hello Immanuel! Where is this webmin module you're talking about?! I'm aware of only one, lightly discussed here with the caveat that it doesn't work. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Software%3AWebmin Do you have other info!? If yes, please share! thanks Dennis Immanuel Derks wrote: > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 00:23, Joe Guenther wrote: > > Hmm, this functionality we already have (and much better i.e. without > messing up all your conf files) with the webmin LTSP module. In fact > the symbiont is a bad copy of the same module and using webmin (1.21) > as a back-end. Sorry to be sceptical, but just to add some revamped > icons to an already existing opensource application is not convincing > enough of any added value. Releasing an existing opensource project > again as opensource raises some eyebrows as well... > > Besides it's not compatible to LTSP 4.x.. > > Immanuel > > > >>I just installed the symbiont GUI on a test server at home and thought >>the whole thing looked great ... UNTIL I looked at the dhcpd.conf and >>lts.conf files it left behind. It did NOT leave the functional files >>alone ... it rewrote them with the few changes I made ... resulting in >>totally dysfunctional conf files. with just a few tweaks to the >>configuration, it only wrote the changes ... not the stuff that did >>not change. Conclusion ... either use only this, or use the text >>files as they come from Jim McQuillan, but you would not want to use >>both methods of editing the conf files. >> >>It is a bit like samba-swat that also re-writes your files, it at >>least leaves a functional all inclusive version of the configuration. >>That said ... Symbiont workstation manager at least left a nice backup >>of the files. >> >>I personally use Kate to do my editing. You can load the various >>files and leave them displayed on the screen. Next time you open Kate >>those files are all nicely there. I can make changes in dhcpd.conf >>and then flip to the terminal window, also in Kate and do the >>/sbin/service dhcpd restart and all the changes take effect. This >>also allows one to make lots of comment lines in the conf files.... >>which workstation this is ... location ... all the wonderful examples >>in the files as they come out of the box. >> >>So I was impressed with the nice visual gui, but the way they write to >>the files is totally unusable in my opinion. >> >>greetings >>Joe Guenther >>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>LANtech - Didsbury >>Chinook's Edge School Div. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>Behalf Of Dennis Daniels >>Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:04 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? >> >> >>It does look pretty good: >>http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=vi >>ew_pag >>e&PAGE_id=29&MMN_position=64:45:61 >> >>looks more robust than: >>http://www.gnomepro.com/tsclient/ >> >>Anyone else using symbiont? Anyone else using something similar? best, >>dennis >> >>Matthew Ross wrote: >> >>>I'm curious of anybody has either heard of something like this, or if >>>they're currently working on this kind of a project? >>> >>>An interface which will allow an administrator to have easier control >>>over the various client options. Text based, Web based or in a >>>graphical X environment, It really doesn't matter, this tool would >>>allow changes made to machines, especially as it comes to the >>>lts.conf file. Sound card configuration, custom Video card settings, >>>all on a per-client (more specifically a per-MAC address) basis. >>> >>>If a project like this is in the works, could somebody point me >>>toward it? If there is no such project, I just might be ambitious >>>enough (even though my coding skills don't quite meet the challenge) >>>to make a Webmin module. >>> >>>--Matt >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Jun 15 00:38:48 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:38:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Oowriter fails in Fedora2 Message-ID: Hi Eric, I should have also included that a cat of the .openoffice-install-log file was empty- < The answer is likely in the log file: .openoffice-install-log -Eric > Jim _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee? Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From k12osn at collinsoft.com Tue Jun 15 01:12:26 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Tell me why this doesn't work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >Anyway, our file servers run OS X server, offering authentication for the > >Macs and LTSP over LDAP and run as a PDC for our Windows clients. The > >macs > >mount the home directories over AFP, LTSP over NFS, and the Windows > >clients use SMB. The students can go to any machine in the building and > >log in and automatically have access to their files. As soon as I test an > >AppleWorks solution for LTSP this summer, I'll be a happy man. > > I actually have a dual processor Xserve with 512 mb RAM and a couple > HD's....more on the way. any idea how well the Xserve will serve LTSP > homes via NFS? Do you have a how-to for setting this up? (I'm at home and don't have access to Workgroup Manager, so this directions might be a little off.) No real how-to. In Workgroup Manager I shared out the users home sharepoint with NFS to the ltsp server. Mounted the share in /Network/Servers/servername/Users since that is the homedir option set in ldap for our users. Performance seemed ok, but we only have 20 ltsp clients. They were mounting over a 100mbps connection. I'm looking at adding a gigabit card this summer to speed up file access. -- Ryan Collins Director of IT - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jun 15 01:02:04 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:02:04 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Terminal Services Prototype! Message-ID: <200406142346.i5ENklt14592@downeast.net> sounds like they are simply starting vnc through xinet.d so just asking gives you a vnc server session on the server.deredk dresser has java enabled vnc thru xinetd so his users can connect fromanywhereusing a java enabled web browser.. i havn'r got that working in fedora but it is all set up in suse i do have vnc though xinetd runing on rh9.chuck > Folks, > > I saw this today on fedoranews.org... basically someone is working on > (and has a prototype) of a "VNC based terminal services system which > also allows hot-desking". It basically permits disconnections and > reconnections to your own vnc session (moving terminals, terminal dying > on you)... much like Terminal Services for Windows. > GDM manages it all.a enabledm > > Here's the thread: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004- June/msg00007.html > > -- > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > www.hhprep.org > hburroughs at hhprep.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From postmaster at aimschool.ac.th Tue Jun 15 02:25:10 2004 From: postmaster at aimschool.ac.th (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:25:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Stops responding after Loading vmlinuz.ltsp In-Reply-To: <20040611201112.D597D73F23@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040611201112.D597D73F23@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40CE5E06.7010203@aimschool.ac.th> Hi, im still having problems with booting from client. I tried to configure from scratch, all are running well, but still cannot boot from clients. My clients computer are Acer PowerSV Model with 2.4Ghz Proc, 256MB RAM, on-board rtl8139 NIC, on-board sound. The error message I get on the client screen before it hangs is "mknbi-1.2/first.c", then numlock led steady. The last message in /var/log/messages says that, it got an IP from eth0. Please help. thanks From g92470176 at csie.ntnu.edu.tw Tue Jun 15 03:43:47 2004 From: g92470176 at csie.ntnu.edu.tw (howie) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:43:47 +0800 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [K12OSN] Sound plays on server References: <20040612120446.465a3145.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <002201c4528a$f7910f60$a0b97a8c@howie> hi~Kevin I think you can see the web site http://www.advancedthintech.com LTSP's network audio system is esound ,but it have many limitation ATTech's product MUNAS is much better you can try it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gentgeen" To: "k12ltsp" Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Sound plays on server > I am trying to get sound to work on my terminals and not having much > luck. Hopefully someone out there can help me. I am trying it out here > at home first where I have LTSP installed on a Debian Woody system, then > I will take it to school on the K12LTSP server. > > The problem is that when I play sounds from a client machine (KDE or > xmms), the sound comes out on the server's speakers, not the client's > speakers. I can't seem to find any error messages looking through the > various logs and watching the boot process on the clients. The lts.conf > file looks like: > > #----------------------------------------- > [192.168.0.1] > XSERVER = nv > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 > RCFILE_01 = floppyd > SOUND = Y > SOUND_DAEMON = nasd > SMODULE_01 = auto > VOLUME = 100 > #----------------------------------------- > > I am really not sure were to start the trouble shooting since I can't seem > to find any error messages. So any help would be greatly appriciated. > > Kevin "Gentgeen" > > ****************************************************************** > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own > reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. > - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From I.Derks at translucent.nl Tue Jun 15 08:27:40 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:27:40 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: <40CE3730.8030605@magic.fr> References: <1087203710.3888.18.camel@fedora2.translucent.nl> <40CE3730.8030605@magic.fr> Message-ID: <1087288060.3988.10.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> Op di 15-06-2004, om 01:39 schreef Dennis Daniels: > Hello Immanuel! > Where is this webmin module you're talking about?! I'm aware of only > one, lightly discussed here with the caveat that it doesn't work. > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Software%3AWebmin Well that is the good link for starters. A few modifications are needed to get stuff working properly: 1) Install webmin-1.5x 2) Get SSL working (not perse needed but highly recommended for security) 2) Install the dhcpd module 3) Install the LTSP module from http://termserv.berlios.de/ltsp-module/ 4) Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version to read "VERSION=3.1.0" 5) Setup the LTSP module. Once logged in on https://localhost:10000 go to Servers--> LTSP Configuration -->Module Config and set the environment variable "Path to LTSP configuration file" to read "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc" You should have a working webmin and LTSP module by now that does almost all that Symbiont promises to do.... Good luck, Immanuel > > Do you have other info!? If yes, please share! > thanks > Dennis > > Immanuel Derks wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 00:23, Joe Guenther wrote: > > > > Hmm, this functionality we already have (and much better i.e. without > > messing up all your conf files) with the webmin LTSP module. In fact the > > symbiont is a bad copy of the same module and using webmin (1.21) as a > > back-end. > > Sorry to be sceptical, but just to add some revamped icons to an already > > existing opensource application is not convincing enough of any added > > value. Releasing an existing opensource project again as opensource > > raises some eyebrows as well... > > > > Besides it's not compatible to LTSP 4.x.. > > > > Immanuel > > > > > > > >>I just installed the symbiont GUI on a test server at home and thought the > >>whole thing looked great ... UNTIL I looked at the dhcpd.conf and lts.conf > >>files it left behind. It did NOT leave the functional files alone ... it > >>rewrote them with the few changes I made ... resulting in totally > >>dysfunctional conf files. with just a few tweaks to the configuration, it > >>only wrote the changes ... not the stuff that did not change. Conclusion > >>... either use only this, or use the text files as they come from Jim > >>McQuillan, but you would not want to use both methods of editing the conf > >>files. > >> > >>It is a bit like samba-swat that also re-writes your files, it at least > >>leaves a functional all inclusive version of the configuration. That said > >>... Symbiont workstation manager at least left a nice backup of the files. > >> > >>I personally use Kate to do my editing. You can load the various files and > >>leave them displayed on the screen. Next time you open Kate those files are > >>all nicely there. I can make changes in dhcpd.conf and then flip to the > >>terminal window, also in Kate and do the /sbin/service dhcpd restart and > >>all the changes take effect. This also allows one to make lots of comment > >>lines in the conf files.... which workstation this is ... location ... all > >>the wonderful examples in the files as they come out of the box. > >> > >>So I was impressed with the nice visual gui, but the way they write to the > >>files is totally unusable in my opinion. > >> > >>greetings > >>Joe Guenther > >>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >>LANtech - Didsbury > >>Chinook's Edge School Div. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > >>Behalf Of Dennis Daniels > >>Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:04 PM > >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? > >> > >> > >>It does look pretty good: > >>http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_pag > >>e&PAGE_id=29&MMN_position=64:45:61 > >> > >>looks more robust than: > >>http://www.gnomepro.com/tsclient/ > >> > >>Anyone else using symbiont? Anyone else using something similar? > >>best, > >>dennis > >> > >>Matthew Ross wrote: > >> > >>>I'm curious of anybody has either heard of something like this, or if > >>>they're currently working on this kind of a project? > >>> > >>>An interface which will allow an administrator to have easier control > >>>over the various client options. Text based, Web based or in a graphical > >>>X environment, It really doesn't matter, this tool would allow changes > >>>made to machines, especially as it comes to the lts.conf file. Sound > >>>card configuration, custom Video card settings, all on a per-client > >>>(more specifically a per-MAC address) basis. > >>> > >>>If a project like this is in the works, could somebody point me toward > >>>it? If there is no such project, I just might be ambitious enough (even > >>>though my coding skills don't quite meet the challenge) to make a Webmin > >>>module. > >>> > >>>--Matt > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- T R A N S L U C E N T S Y S T E M S -The Linux Engineers From Amsterdam- Tel: +31 [0]20 7760327 Fax: +31 [0]20 7798469 EMail: info at translucent.nl From ahodson at elp.rr.com Tue Jun 15 03:34:57 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:34:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing problem V4.0.1 Message-ID: Hi gang I've done three server installs lately using V4.0.1 that generate a synaptic error that require foomatic to be uninstalled, with the consequent collapse of all printing guis. I've tried rpm and apt-getting the uninstalled links/resources to no avail... Can someone suggest a fix here? Thanks Alan Hodson, El Paso ISD http://links.episd.org -=o=- From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Jun 15 03:32:09 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:32:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Wizard and help Message-ID: using the full version of K12LTSP (Fedora Core) and choosing the defaults for installing as a terminal server, everything worked right out of the box, so to speak, except for the sound card on my terminal server and on workstations. The workstations were trying to load the driver for the server's sound card, at least thats what I thought I saw during boot and afterward when I tried Sound Card Detection from one of the sub menus With Suse 9.1 it recognized and loaded my sound card on the machine I am now using as a terminal server and on the machine I tried as a workstation when the workstation was using suse it had hard drive, cdrom etc. Installed, booted twice, and voila, sound I am hesitant about going back to suse though and then installing just the ltsp prog because it worked so beautifully for everything else. I literally had to do nothing but enable PXE booting as my first boot device on the workstation and I was in and operating. I doubt whether installing suse then standalone ltsp package will be as smooth. the workstations I will be using have different sound cards from the server. Most on board, some PCI. How do I get them functioning when the workstation is booting off the nic? and some of the nics don't have pxe as an option, even though they are on board nics. Only RPL-Rom, which fails to connect to the terminal server. I assume there is a config file somewhere to tell the terminal server to work with both PXE and RPL-Rom? Help please. This is too assume for me to pass on. Everything but sound and nics works great, and the pxe nics work without doing a thing!!! -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.1 - Release Date: 6/14/2004 From robark at telus.net Tue Jun 15 03:48:56 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:48:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux kernel DoS exploit -- don't need root! In-Reply-To: <1087244594.2265.136.camel@server.ltsp> References: <40CDF529.80206@cmosnetworks.com> <1087242530.2221.4.camel@localhost> <1087244594.2265.136.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <200406142048.56029.robark@telus.net> Never tried updating before. Will apt/up2date/yum work with 3.1.2 ? Or do I have to have 4.x ? Robert Arkiletian On Monday 14 June 2004 1:23 pm, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 12:48, Calvin Park wrote: > > Yeah, I'm none too pleased. Oh well, I suppose I'm off to recompile the > > kernel. > > > > Eric, will the next version of K12 come "out of the box" with the patch? > > I know you might not have an answer for that right this second, or > > perhaps you've already answered it somewhere and I missed it. Thanks in > > advance. > > > > -Calvin > > A patched kernel for FC2 was uploaded about 45mins ago. I don't have a > local copy yet. Presumably a FC1 version will be available shortly. > > Apt/up2date/yum will pick up the patched kernel as soon as it is > mirrored. > > As for the next builds of K12LTSP, yes I generally do include all of > the security patches. Kernels can be tricky, however, so I won't 100% > guarantee that this will be included. If you already have K12LTSP > installed, you'll pick up the patched kernel via apt/up2date/yum and > thus don't have to worry too much about what patches are, or are not, > included in the next release of K12LTSP... > > -Eric > > > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 14:57, Terrell Prude' wrote: > > > Hello folks, > > > > > > I don't have read-access to my K12OSN folder, as I am at work, so if > > > this has already been announced, my apologies. > > > > > > There is a newly-discovered bug in the Linux kernel versions 2.4 and > > > 2.6 (nearly every version on nearly every distro) that will lock a > > > GNU/Linux box. All you need is shell access; *you do not need root*. > > > That means that any rambunctious kid could lock your K12LTSP server(s)! > > > > > > Yes, there is a patch. I don't know if there's a Fedora-, WBEL-, or > > > RHEL-specific update at this time. > > > > > > Here's the link: > > > > > > http://linuxreviews.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html > > > > > > --TP From robark at telus.net Tue Jun 15 03:45:32 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:45:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repost: KStars downloaded images blank In-Reply-To: <1087237335.2265.113.camel@server.ltsp> References: <200406041856.26459.robark@telus.net> <1087227558.2265.100.camel@server.ltsp> <1087237335.2265.113.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <200406142045.32138.robark@telus.net> Thanks for testing Eric. I now have another reason to upgrade to k12ltsp 4.1 when it comes out. I will post any info I get from the developers if they reply. Thanks again Eric. Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary On Monday 14 June 2004 11:22 am, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 08:39, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-06-13 at 18:44, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > > I think it's worth it to try this out on K12 4.0.x as well. Soon as I > > > get some time this week, I'll give that a shot, too. Does KStars come > > > w/4.0.x? > > > > The same issue exists in K12LTSP 4.0.x. It works fine in 4.1.x. > > > > K12LTSP 3.1.x & 4.0.x use KDE 3.1, K12LTSP 4.1.x uses KDE 3.2. > > > > I used the same terminal, altering only the XDM_SERVER setting, > > for my testing. So I assume that the problem is in KDE or one of > > the supporting libraries, rather than something on the LTSP side. > > I tested an upgrade of KDE to version 3.2 on K12LTSP 3.1.2 & > K12LTSP 4.0.1 servers. Both now show the downloaded images in kstars. > > I have no idea if this breaks anything else... as such I HIGHLY > discourage from trying this on a production server. > > I had to use some of the K12LTSP 4.0.x packages on K12LTSP 3.1.x to > get this to work, so it is especially iffy on K12LTSP 3.1.x. > > If you test this, and all works well for you, please let us know. > > Okay, disclaimers aside, I used the unofficial KDE 3.2.2 rpms from > kde.org. I added all of the packages + the dependencies into a yum/ > apt archive. This (should) work for both K12LTSP 3.1.x and 4.0.x: > > /etc/yum.conf > > [kde32] > name=KDE 3.2 RPMS > baseurl=ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/kde3.2/ > > > /etc/apt/sources.d/kde32.list > > rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt kde3.2 kde fedora > > > > In K12LTSP 4.0.x, you can use up2date: > > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > > yum kde32 ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/kde3.2/ > > > -Eric From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Tue Jun 15 09:28:04 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:28:04 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: <1087288060.3988.10.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> References: <40CE3730.8030605@magic.fr> <1087288060.3988.10.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> Message-ID: <200406151028.10610.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 15 June 2004 09:27, Immanuel Derks wrote: > Op di 15-06-2004, om 01:39 schreef Dennis Daniels: > > Hello Immanuel! > > Where is this webmin module you're talking about?! I'm aware of only > > one, lightly discussed here with the caveat that it doesn't work. > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Software%3AWebmin > > Well that is the good link for starters. > A few modifications are needed to get stuff working properly: > > 1) Install webmin-1.5x > 2) Get SSL working (not perse needed but highly recommended for > security) > 2) Install the dhcpd module > 3) Install the LTSP module from http://termserv.berlios.de/ltsp-module/ > 4) Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version to read "VERSION=3.1.0" > 5) Setup the LTSP module. Once logged in on https://localhost:10000 go > to Servers--> LTSP Configuration -->Module Config and set the > environment variable "Path to LTSP configuration file" to read > "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc" > > You should have a working webmin and LTSP module by now that does almost > all that Symbiont promises to do.... > > Good luck, > Immanuel > Thanks for this, but I get "Unknown version 3.1.0." with the above changed. - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAzsEoeWseh9tzvqgRAkFUAJ0aJBSrN82hAI5ZBiKr43rHgSE+LQCcDdEc vG3Hp/PJkk/CWqi/gzbES40= =YSvf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Tue Jun 15 09:53:28 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:53:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: xcdroast in kernel 2.6 doesn't work with ATAPI or SCSI In-Reply-To: <20040615094959.GA3723@arcadia> References: <20040615094959.GA3723@arcadia> Message-ID: <40CEC718.6060008@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Anthony Campbell wrote: >Is there any way round this or do I have to revert to a 2.4 kernel >whenever I want to burn a CD? Does cdrecord work in 2.6 (I've never got >into cdrecord directly yet). > >Anthony > > > Yep. $cdrecord -v -dao -eject isodisc.iso -dev /dev/hdc JC -- Jonathan Carter Ph (021) 970 1230 | Fax: (021) 970 1231 http://www.tsf.org.za/oscp http://www.go-opensource.org.za "The future is open, are you?" From I.Derks at translucent.nl Tue Jun 15 10:49:30 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:49:30 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: <200406151028.10610.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <40CE3730.8030605@magic.fr> <1087288060.3988.10.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> <200406151028.10610.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <1087296569.3988.34.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> Op di 15-06-2004, om 11:28 schreef Gavin Henry: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tuesday 15 June 2004 09:27, Immanuel Derks wrote: > > Op di 15-06-2004, om 01:39 schreef Dennis Daniels: > > > Hello Immanuel! > > > Where is this webmin module you're talking about?! I'm aware of only > > > one, lightly discussed here with the caveat that it doesn't work. > > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Software%3AWebmin > > > > Well that is the good link for starters. > > A few modifications are needed to get stuff working properly: > > > > 1) Install webmin-1.5x > > 2) Get SSL working (not perse needed but highly recommended for > > security) > > 2) Install the dhcpd module > > 3) Install the LTSP module from http://termserv.berlios.de/ltsp-module/ > > 4) Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version to read "VERSION=3.1.0" > > 5) Setup the LTSP module. Once logged in on https://localhost:10000 go > > to Servers--> LTSP Configuration -->Module Config and set the > > environment variable "Path to LTSP configuration file" to read > > "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc" > > > > You should have a working webmin and LTSP module by now that does almost > > all that Symbiont promises to do.... > > > > Good luck, > > Immanuel > > > > Thanks for this, but I get "Unknown version 3.1.0." with the above changed. > Sorry, my mistake. Change the above file to read "VERSION=3.0.0". That will do it. Kind regards, Immanuel > - -- > Kind Regards, > > Gavin Henry. > Managing Director. > > T +44 (0) 1224 587369 > M +44 (0) 7930 323266 > F +44 (0) 1224 742001 > E ghenry at suretecsystems.com > > Open Source. Open Solutions. > > http://www.suretecsystems.com/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAzsEoeWseh9tzvqgRAkFUAJ0aJBSrN82hAI5ZBiKr43rHgSE+LQCcDdEc > vG3Hp/PJkk/CWqi/gzbES40= > =YSvf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- T R A N S L U C E N T S Y S T E M S -The Linux Engineers From Amsterdam- Tel: +31 [0]20 7760327 Fax: +31 [0]20 7798469 EMail: info at translucent.nl From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jun 15 11:01:46 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:01:46 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Adding Users Message-ID: <200406150946.i5F9kPR17406@downeast.net> david trask wrote up his experience..might touchbase with him....chuck > Well.... > > I can help with the NIS. I will be out of town for a couple of > weeks, but we'll see what happens. > > Check out http://www.ibiblio.org/mdw/HOWTO/NIS-HOWTO/index.html to > get started with NIS. > > Anybody else have a good HOW-TO for LDAP? > > Dan > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:13:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: xyz xyz > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Adding Users > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20040612001327.41415.qmail at web52905.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hey Dan > > I think that sounds like a better option - i'm going > to give it a try on two spare p4's - i'm sure i'll > need some help along the way though - i remember > seeing links to some user guides - could you point me > in that direction please. > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > Have you considered setting up NIS or LDAP for > > the two machines? > > With NIS, you can set one up as the master and the > > other as the slave. > > You can make changes on the master and the slave > > would pick up those > > changes whenever the maps are pushed out. You could > > make additional > > maps in addition to those that are default (passwd, > > shadow, hosts, > > etc.) Haven't played with LDAP, but the idea is the > > same. I hope to do > > it this summer. Time permitting.... > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:09:44 -0700 (PDT) > > From: xyz xyz > > Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Users > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Message-ID: > > <20040611130944.39299.qmail at web52906.mail.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > posted this a few days ago with no response - can > > anyone help me. > > > > ........... > > I have one machine with k12OS running as samba > > server > > and > > another machine running K12LTSP as terminal server. > > > > I intend to add all users to the samba server and > > then > > copy passwd, group and shadow files over to terminal > > server on a daily/twice daily cron job. > > > > I too hope to use some kind of text file containing > > first name and last name and SIN# which will extract > > a > > username and password from this data and add these > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sfichera at salem.k12.nh.us Tue Jun 15 12:09:31 2004 From: sfichera at salem.k12.nh.us (Sean Fichera) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:09:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy for Email and other apps not proxied by squid Message-ID: <200406151201.i5FC1ve1024364@mx1.redhat.com> I need a simple Brain Dead solution to get outook clients on Windows workstations to work with a Linux Server. I don't want to deal with sendmail or similar programs. There are too many people with different ISP's that need to check their mail and I don't want to manage another mail server. All I want is a simple proxy for the mail and AOL Instant Messenger and some Special Ed programs that use telnet. I need little configuration in case the server needs to be rebuilt in the middle of the school year. I can't stress enough I need SIMPLE! Any help with any of these problems would be much appreciated. Sean Fichera SSD Department of Media & Technology 287 Lawrence Road 603-893-7078 www.salemschooldistrictnh.com From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Tue Jun 15 12:08:14 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:08:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Client Configuration Program? In-Reply-To: <1087296569.3988.34.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> References: <200406151028.10610.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <1087296569.3988.34.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> Message-ID: <200406151308.14724.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> On Tuesday 15 Jun 2004 11:49, Immanuel Derks wrote: > Op di 15-06-2004, om 11:28 schreef Gavin Henry: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Tuesday 15 June 2004 09:27, Immanuel Derks wrote: > > > Op di 15-06-2004, om 01:39 schreef Dennis Daniels: > > > > Hello Immanuel! > > > > Where is this webmin module you're talking about?! I'm aware of only > > > > one, lightly discussed here with the caveat that it doesn't work. > > > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Software%3AWebmin > > > > > > Well that is the good link for starters. > > > A few modifications are needed to get stuff working properly: > > > > > > 1) Install webmin-1.5x > > > 2) Get SSL working (not perse needed but highly recommended for > > > security) > > > 2) Install the dhcpd module > > > 3) Install the LTSP module from http://termserv.berlios.de/ltsp-module/ > > > 4) Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version to read "VERSION=3.1.0" > > > 5) Setup the LTSP module. Once logged in on https://localhost:10000 go > > > to Servers--> LTSP Configuration -->Module Config and set the > > > environment variable "Path to LTSP configuration file" to read > > > "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc" > > > > > > You should have a working webmin and LTSP module by now that does > > > almost all that Symbiont promises to do.... > > > > > > Good luck, > > > Immanuel > > > > Thanks for this, but I get "Unknown version 3.1.0." with the above > > changed. > > Sorry, my mistake. > Change the above file to read "VERSION=3.0.0". > That will do it. > Thanks. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ From les at futuresource.com Tue Jun 15 14:38:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:38:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy for Email and other apps not proxied by squid In-Reply-To: <200406151201.i5FC1ve1024364@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200406151201.i5FC1ve1024364@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087310280.19342.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 07:09, Sean Fichera wrote: > I need a simple Brain Dead solution to get outook clients on Windows workstations to work with a Linux Server. I don't want to deal with sendmail or similar programs. There are too many people with different ISP's that need to check their mail and I don't want to manage another mail server. All I want is a simple proxy for the mail and AOL Instant Messenger and some Special Ed programs that use telnet. I need little configuration in case the server needs to be rebuilt in the middle of the school year. I can't stress enough I need SIMPLE! Any help with any of these problems would be much appreciated. If you just NAT and allow port 110 out through your firewall your users can connect to their ISP's POP server. Likewise port 143 for IMAP and ports 995 and 993 for the SSL versions. That lets people download/read their mail. A default k12ltsp install should allow this unless you have additional firewalling that blocks outbound connections. However most ISP mailers will only accept SMTP mail from their own address ranges so your users will not be able to send mail without some local support. Some may allow authenticated access with the same login/password as for pop (and most current user agents support this) or they may provide a web mailer. If that isn't enough, you'll have to run sendmail, postfix, or qmail configured to only accept from your local network address range and forward outbound. This is not difficult and your worries about rebuilding the server can be covered by simply keeping a backup of the configuration file(s) on some other machine. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jun 15 14:49:52 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:49:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Terminal Services Prototype! In-Reply-To: <200406142346.i5ENklt14592@downeast.net> References: <200406142346.i5ENklt14592@downeast.net> Message-ID: <40CF0C90.9090609@maltzen.net> But I think what McLoughlin and pals are working on will allow the session that is running on the server to continue running even if the vncviewer disconnects. Right now, calling vncserver via xinetd gives you a regular login similar to what a thin client sees. Likewise, when the vnc client disconnects, the session is shut down, just like when a thin client disconnects. But McLoughlin's will allow the session on the server to keep running, allowing you to disconnect at one client, go to another client, reconnect, and your apps are still running. It makes it more akin to the way the vncserver on a Windows box works. Petre cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > sounds like they are simply starting vnc through xinet.d so just asking > gives you a vnc server session on the server.deredk dresser has java > enabled vnc thru xinetd so his users can connect fromanywhereusing a java > enabled web browser.. i havn'r got that working in fedora but it is all > set up in suse > i do have vnc though xinetd runing on rh9.chuck > >>Folks, >> >>I saw this today on fedoranews.org... basically someone is working on >>(and has a prototype) of a "VNC based terminal services system which >>also allows hot-desking". It basically permits disconnections and >>reconnections to your own vnc session (moving terminals, terminal dying >>on you)... much like Terminal Services for Windows. >>GDM manages it all.a enabledm >> >>Here's the thread: >> >>http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004- > > June/msg00007.html > >>-- >>Henry Burroughs >>Technology Director >>Hilton Head Preparatory School >>www.hhprep.org >>hburroughs at hhprep.org >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jun 15 14:43:57 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:43:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Adding Users In-Reply-To: <200406150946.i5F9kPR17406@downeast.net> References: <200406150946.i5F9kPR17406@downeast.net> Message-ID: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP-howto-v2.pdf The link above is to the pdf version of my latest how-to for Samba-LDAP....I duplicated the set up today. I will post my configs (hopefully Friday) for all to access. Let me know of additions, omissions, and screw-ups. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jun 15 14:58:33 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:58:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Adding Users In-Reply-To: <200406150946.i5F9kPR17406@downeast.net> References: <200406150946.i5F9kPR17406@downeast.net> Message-ID: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP-howto-v2.pdf The link above is to the pdf version of my latest how-to for Samba-LDAP....I duplicated the set up today. I will post my configs (hopefully Friday) for all to access. Let me know of additions, omissions, and screw-ups. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jun 15 15:09:03 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:09:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Adding Users In-Reply-To: References: <200406150946.i5F9kPR17406@downeast.net> Message-ID: <40CF110F.9020200@maltzen.net> OT: David, did you use OOo to create your pdf file. Has anyone besides me seen the situation where xpdf won't proprerly read files created in OOo? The version on my K12ltsp box just shows garbage of David's file. I've got Adobe's AcroRead which handles it just fine, so reading this file isn't an issue. I just wonder if it's a bug in OOo or xpdf, as I've seen this with other pdf files, and I think the common thread is that they were created in OOo. Petre David Trask wrote: > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP-howto-v2.pdf > > The link above is to the pdf version of my latest how-to for > Samba-LDAP....I duplicated the set up today. I will post my configs > (hopefully Friday) for all to access. Let me know of additions, > omissions, and screw-ups. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jun 15 15:20:07 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:20:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Terminal Services Prototype! In-Reply-To: <40CF0C90.9090609@maltzen.net> References: <200406142346.i5ENklt14592@downeast.net> <40CF0C90.9090609@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <40CF13A7.3040704@inlandlakes.org> Petre Scheie wrote: It makes it > more akin to the way the vncserver on a Windows box works. Or the way rdesktop/Windows Terminal Services works. Which is really nice (I hate to admit) :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jun 15 15:35:03 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:35:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome flavor of kprinter? Message-ID: <40CF1727.8050806@inlandlakes.org> I love KDE. I also like sound. I can't have both in LTSP. SO, I've been focusing on Gnome or ICEWM -- but printing has me befuddled a bit. Is there a Gnome version of "kprinter" or some such app? Should I just use kprinter? Also, should I verse myself on standard linux LPR printer setups for my users? This next year, I'll have users in 4 buildings connecting to the same LTSP server, and will need to give different groups different default printers. I understand all the printers will be installed on the server, but for individual users (or even better, individual thin clients) is it possible to determine a default printer that is not the system default? I know that mozilla (by default) just uses standard lpr printing -- so a student hitting "print" will send the print job to the default printer on the system, which might be in another building! (At which point, they hit print 73 times, assuming that will help) I'm sure you see the chaos that ensues.. Any tips on printing help? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jun 15 15:36:49 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:36:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Terminal Services Prototype! In-Reply-To: <40CF13A7.3040704@inlandlakes.org> References: <200406142346.i5ENklt14592@downeast.net> <40CF0C90.9090609@maltzen.net> <40CF13A7.3040704@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40CF1791.3080403@maltzen.net> WTS and rdesktop (RDP) *are* nice and do work well. However, as McLoughlin points out in http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/remote-desktop.txt, down in section 6.2, MS has 'extended' RDP so much that it's not really open any more. That's MS's standard MO: optimize for their platform, at the expense, they hope, of everyone else; that's how they make money. And there's nothing wrong with that, it just may not be good for comuting overall and I prefer to avoid it. I'll opt for a platform that doesn't even *try* to lock me in if the performance is acceptable. Others' needs may dictate a different route. Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > It makes it > >> more akin to the way the vncserver on a Windows box works. > > > Or the way rdesktop/Windows Terminal Services works. Which is really > nice (I hate to admit) > > :) > > -Shawn > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jun 15 15:44:05 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:44:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Terminal Services Prototype! In-Reply-To: <40CF1791.3080403@maltzen.net> References: <200406142346.i5ENklt14592@downeast.net> <40CF0C90.9090609@maltzen.net> <40CF13A7.3040704@inlandlakes.org> <40CF1791.3080403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <40CF1945.70301@inlandlakes.org> Petre Scheie wrote: > WTS and rdesktop (RDP) *are* nice and do work well. However, as I don't suppose there is any plans down the road of a "backgrounded X session" running? The actual way WTS works is very nice (not talking about optimizations, etc, just the connect/disconnect idea) and it seems that VNC working that way would be nice -- BUT VNC is not the same as a native X session. Anyway, I jumped on this thread very late, but had to throw my 2 cents in. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Jun 15 15:45:38 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:45:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tell me why this doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20040615082217.107B073017@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040615082217.107B073017@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087314337.22268.12.camel@phoenix> oops... I should have paid better attention to the content "OS X and XServe" (googling XServe would have helped too) in the post.. heh... That's a better solution on OSX than what I was throwing at you... but it probably would work giving OSX is UNIX based. :-) Henry > From: k12osn at collinsoft.com > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Tell me why this doesn't work > Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:12:26 -0400 > > On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > writes: > > >Anyway, our file servers run OS X server, offering authentication for the > > >Macs and LTSP over LDAP and run as a PDC for our Windows clients. The > > >macs > > >mount the home directories over AFP, LTSP over NFS, and the Windows > > >clients use SMB. The students can go to any machine in the building and > > >log in and automatically have access to their files. As soon as I test an > > >AppleWorks solution for LTSP this summer, I'll be a happy man. > > > > I actually have a dual processor Xserve with 512 mb RAM and a couple > > HD's....more on the way. any idea how well the Xserve will serve LTSP > > homes via NFS? Do you have a how-to for setting this up? > > (I'm at home and don't have access to Workgroup Manager, so this > directions might be a little off.) > > No real how-to. In Workgroup Manager I shared out the users home > sharepoint with NFS to the ltsp server. Mounted the share in > /Network/Servers/servername/Users since that is the homedir option set in > ldap for our users. > > Performance seemed ok, but we only have 20 ltsp clients. They were > mounting over a 100mbps connection. I'm looking at adding a gigabit card > this summer to speed up file access. From webmaster at vol.org Tue Jun 15 15:59:11 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:59:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome flavor of kprinter? In-Reply-To: <40CF1727.8050806@inlandlakes.org> References: <40CF1727.8050806@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1087315151.2638.9.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 10:35, Shawn Powers wrote: > I know that mozilla (by default) just uses standard lpr printing -- so a > student hitting "print" will send the print job to the default printer > on the system, which might be in another building! (At which point, > they hit print 73 times, assuming that will help) I'm sure you see the > chaos that ensues.. I use a program called gtklp ( http://gtklp.sourceforge.net/ ) to allow users to select the desired printer and various options from any program. When a user hits print in Mozilla, gtklp pops up and the user may select the desired printer, duplex options, etc. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From les at futuresource.com Tue Jun 15 16:58:19 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:58:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Terminal Services Prototype! In-Reply-To: <40CF0C90.9090609@maltzen.net> References: <200406142346.i5ENklt14592@downeast.net> <40CF0C90.9090609@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1087318698.19342.143.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 09:49, Petre Scheie wrote: > But I think what McLoughlin and pals are working on will allow the session that > is running on the server to continue running even if the vncviewer disconnects. > Right now, calling vncserver via xinetd gives you a regular login similar to > what a thin client sees. Likewise, when the vnc client disconnects, the session > is shut down, just like when a thin client disconnects. But McLoughlin's will > allow the session on the server to keep running, allowing you to disconnect at > one client, go to another client, reconnect, and your apps are still running. > It makes it more akin to the way the vncserver on a Windows box works. All you have to do is run vncserver and vncpasswd as a user to get a long-running vnc server session that lets you connect and disconnect as you want. It is handy when you want to start something, disconnect, then periodically reconnect to check on it but I don't think I'd want to use vnc all the time. There is also x0rfbserver which allows you to connect to the same frame buffer used by the console X session but with thin clients you'd have to be able to connect to the client itself for this. I thought the capability was supposed to be included in the x server itself now but I haven't seen how to activate it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From fgarat at strixs.com Tue Jun 15 17:08:07 2004 From: fgarat at strixs.com (Facundo Garat :: Strix Solutions) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:08:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy for Email and other apps not proxied by squid Message-ID: I think hi is asking for something like this: http://p3scan.sourceforge.net/ > On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 07:09, Sean Fichera wrote: > > I need a simple Brain Dead solution to get outook clients on Windows workstations to work with a Linux Server. I don't want to deal with sendmail or similar programs. There are too many people with different ISP's that need to check their mail and I don't want to manage another mail server. All I want is a simple proxy for the mail and AOL Instant Messenger and some Special Ed programs that use telnet. I need little configuration in case the server needs to be rebuilt in the middle of the school year. I can't stress enough I need SIMPLE! Any help with any of these problems would be much appreciated. > > If you just NAT and allow port 110 out through your firewall your users > can connect to their ISP's POP server. Likewise port 143 for IMAP and > ports 995 and 993 for the SSL versions. That lets people download/read > their mail. A default k12ltsp install should allow this unless you > have additional firewalling that blocks outbound connections. However > most ISP mailers will only accept SMTP mail from their own address > ranges so your users will not be able to send mail without some local > support. Some may allow authenticated access with the same > login/password as for pop (and most current user agents support this) > or they may provide a web mailer. If that isn't enough, you'll have > to run sendmail, postfix, or qmail configured to only accept from your > local network address range and forward outbound. This is not difficult > and your worries about rebuilding the server can be covered by simply > keeping a backup of the configuration file(s) on some other machine. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Facundo Garat :: Strix Solutions www.strixs.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 15 17:57:41 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: 15 Jun 2004 13:57:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Practical limit to number of samba shares? In-Reply-To: <20040615160035.4D231740EB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040615160035.4D231740EB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087322261.19852.35.camel@anthony> We have /home mapped to H:\ but it would be more elegant to have H:\ be mapped directly to the student home folder. Does anyone know of any reason not to set up 500 samba shares on one of our k12 severs? - John From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Jun 15 18:07:17 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:07:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Practical limit to number of samba shares? In-Reply-To: <1087322261.19852.35.camel@anthony> References: <20040615160035.4D231740EB@hormel.redhat.com> <1087322261.19852.35.camel@anthony> Message-ID: <1087322837.9581.23.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 10:57, John Baillie wrote: > We have /home mapped to H:\ but it would be more elegant to have H:\ be > mapped directly to the student home folder. Does anyone know of any > reason not to set up 500 samba shares on one of our k12 severs? The special [homes] Samba share does this automatically; no need to map them yourself (in /etc/smb.conf): [homes] comment = Home Directories browseable = no writable = yes For student "foo", /home/foo on the server becomes the UNC path \\servername\foo, which Windows can map using this in the login script: net use h: /home Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you're trying to do... -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Tue Jun 15 18:09:54 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:09:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Practical limit to number of samba shares? In-Reply-To: <1087322261.19852.35.camel@anthony> References: <20040615160035.4D231740EB@hormel.redhat.com> <1087322261.19852.35.camel@anthony> Message-ID: >We have /home mapped to H:\ but it would be more elegant to have H:\ be >mapped directly to the student home folder. Does anyone know of any >reason not to set up 500 samba shares on one of our k12 severs? I think you can automatically with Samba. try something like: [homes] comment = Home Directories ;browseable = no writable = yes valid users = %S users = %S create mode = 0664 directory mode = 0775 then in your login script do a: net use h: \\sambaserver\@userid" otherwise you will have to continually maintain the shares when you add/remove a user. The above is all automatic. If you still wanted an all homes share you could do: [allhomes] comment = All Homes path = /home ;browesable = yes writeable = no Scott -- -- Scott Sherrill Technology Coordinator Hancock Public Schools Hancock, MI http://www.hancock.k12.mi.us From haysja at sages.us Tue Jun 15 18:21:37 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:21:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Practical limit to number of samba shares? In-Reply-To: References: <20040615160035.4D231740EB@hormel.redhat.com> <1087322261.19852.35.camel@anthony> Message-ID: <40CF3E31.6070407@sages.us> The login script can contain this instead: net use x: \\samba.server.ip.no\homes No need to differentiate for the individual user. This will connect directly to the users home directory. Scott Sherrill wrote: >> We have /home mapped to H:\ but it would be more elegant to have H:\ be >> mapped directly to the student home folder. Does anyone know of any >> reason not to set up 500 samba shares on one of our k12 severs? > > > I think you can automatically with Samba. > > try something like: > > [homes] > comment = Home Directories > ;browseable = no > writable = yes > valid users = %S > users = %S > create mode = 0664 > directory mode = 0775 > > > > then in your login script do a: > net use h: \\sambaserver\@userid" > > otherwise you will have to continually maintain the shares when you > add/remove a user. The above is all automatic. > > If you still wanted an all homes share you could do: > > [allhomes] > comment = All Homes > path = /home > ;browesable = yes > writeable = no > > > Scott From les at futuresource.com Tue Jun 15 18:46:26 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:46:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Practical limit to number of samba shares? In-Reply-To: <40CF3E31.6070407@sages.us> References: <20040615160035.4D231740EB@hormel.redhat.com> <1087322261.19852.35.camel@anthony> <40CF3E31.6070407@sages.us> Message-ID: <1087325185.20106.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 13:21, Jim Hays wrote: > The login script can contain this instead: > > net use x: \\samba.server.ip.no\homes > > No need to differentiate for the individual user. This will connect > directly to the users home directory. Note that this depends on the Windows/domain login being the same as the login name on the samba server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tbrown at michiana.org Tue Jun 15 18:10:38 2004 From: tbrown at michiana.org (Tom Brown) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:10:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New GPL gui management client for LTSP In-Reply-To: <40C9ABB9.2050702@freespace.net> References: <200406110851.58852.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <200406110851.58852.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040611095308.02a516a0@michiana.org> Steve, Thanks for citing the article at LinuxDevices; it also showed up at DesktopLinux. Funny thing about the article...notice at the bottom that Symbio Technologies supplied LTSP gear for the press room at LinuxWorld, New York, 2004. Yours truly originated the idea of providing LTSP in the press room after reading a Don Marti article about lousy press accommodations at LinuxWorld. I approached IDG in Dec. 2002 and did the preliminary work. Peter Billson, who lives in metro New York (I live in South Bend, IN), gracefully picked up the project. Symbio Technologies offered a robust server for the project and apparently much more. WooHoo! for Peter, the folks at Symbio Technologies and anyone else who helped. Tom At 01:55 PM 6/11/04 +0100, you wrote: >How about this article? > >HP and Dell trying to do away with diskless client PC donations for schools. > >http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4964141825.html > > >Steve > >Gavin Henry wrote: >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >>This looks good!!! >>http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5910415040.html >>- -- >>Kind Regards, >>Gavin Henry. >>Managing Director. >>T +44 (0) 1224 587369 >>M +44 (0) 7930 323266 >>F +44 (0) 1224 742001 >>E ghenry at suretecsystems.com >>Open Source. Open Solutions. >>http://www.suretecsystems.com/ >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) >>iD8DBQFAyWSdeWseh9tzvqgRAtrCAJ42do49dju3gW/nfLmxg5+vgOzBSwCdGfBP >>3ipa7ZiPJ1y0fW8HniPV9Jw= >>=vLBY >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 15 19:11:59 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: 15 Jun 2004 15:11:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Practical limit to number of samba shares? In-Reply-To: <1087322261.19852.35.camel@anthony> References: <20040615160035.4D231740EB@hormel.redhat.com> <1087322261.19852.35.camel@anthony> Message-ID: <1087326719.19852.101.camel@anthony> Dan, Scott, Jim, Les, Thanks for the incredibly quick responses! The name on the mapped drive indicates H: is mapped to user name but it opens up to /home Here is a snip of the smb.conf ------------------------------------------------ [global] logon path = \\%L\%U\.UserData workgroup = st_mary encrypt passwords = yes smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd logon home = \\isadore\homes [homes] comment = Home Directories browseable = no writeable = yes preserve case = yes short preserve case = yes create mask = 0770 hide dot files = yes hide files = floppy path = /home ------------------------------------------------ NT 4.0 is the pdc, clients Win98 and 2000. I have been contemplating retiring the NT server in favor of samba/ldap. I've read through David Trasks pdf and it is looking doable. -john From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jun 15 19:40:58 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:40:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New GPL gui management client for LTSP In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040611095308.02a516a0@michiana.org> References: <200406110851.58852.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> < > <200406110851.58852.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040611095308.02a516a0@michiana.org> Message-ID: I think Symbio will work fine if that's what you start with....when I installed it....it hosed a lot of my settings....I have yet to get them back, but not trying to hard as I plan to blow away this server in a few days. The Symbiont thingy copies over (makes a backup though) your lts.conf and a host of other files. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 15 19:58:10 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: 15 Jun 2004 15:58:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Practical limit to number of samba shares? solved In-Reply-To: <1087322261.19852.35.camel@anthony> References: <20040615160035.4D231740EB@hormel.redhat.com> <1087322261.19852.35.camel@anthony> Message-ID: <1087329490.19852.112.camel@anthony> Solved the "problem" with a review of the windows logon script and smb.conf Changed net use H: \\server\home to net use H: \\server\homes Edited smb.conf and commented out path = \home - john From lewis at pcc.com Tue Jun 15 21:26:03 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:26:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problems Message-ID: <9A82F72A-BF12-11D8-842A-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Has anybody worked with the "Gateway FPD1530" flat panel monitor? I wanted to set up telnet on screen 2 but the screen draws for a split second then gone. It does this every 5-8 seconds. X looks beautiful. I'm using 4.0.1 and LTSP150 thin clients. These monitors have several modes and they auto-config (very annoying at times) 1024x768 is the preferred mode listed in the manual. (which provides little other information) Any help would be appreciated. ---------- Lewis Holcroft System Administrator Physician's Computer Company 1 Main Street, Suite 7 Winooski, VT 05404 www.pcc.com From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jun 15 21:37:50 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problems In-Reply-To: <9A82F72A-BF12-11D8-842A-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: Lewis, Which LTSP kernel are you running ? The kernels from packages before ltsp_kernel-3.0.15 (2.4.24-ltsp-4) had an experimental Trident frame buffer driver compiled in. The T-150 has a Trident video chipset. The 2.4.24-ltsp-4 kernel (in the 3.0.15) ltsp_kernel package doesn't include that trident framebuffer driver, and should work fine. you can get the latest kernel from the Ltsp.org download page. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Has anybody worked with the "Gateway FPD1530" flat panel monitor? > > I wanted to set up telnet on screen 2 but the screen draws for a split > second then gone. It does this every 5-8 seconds. > > X looks beautiful. > > I'm using 4.0.1 and LTSP150 thin clients. These monitors have several > modes and they auto-config (very annoying at times) 1024x768 is the > preferred mode listed in the manual. (which provides little other > information) > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > ---------- > Lewis Holcroft > System Administrator > Physician's Computer Company > 1 Main Street, Suite 7 > Winooski, VT 05404 > www.pcc.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jun 15 22:02:06 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:02:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] client USB jump/keychain drive access Message-ID: <000001c45324$65a8b5e0$1803010a@paasda.org> is there support for this in the upcoming release by chance? =) or maybe there is support for it now and I'm not privy to the info. Of course we in schools would love to have kids come in with usb keychain drives to store their files on... =) --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lewis at pcc.com Tue Jun 15 22:09:09 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:09:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, rpm -qa | grep ltsp_kernel ltsp_kernel_i386_pxe-3.0-13.k12ltsp.1.4.0 ltsp_kernel_i386-3.0-13.k12ltsp.1.4.0 I have been updating on a regular basis. (I think I am current) I have been trying to solve this by passing the vga=0x??? option to the kernel also. I've tried several options but no luck yet. Lewis On Jun 15, 2004, at 5:37 PM, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > Lewis, > > Which LTSP kernel are you running ? > > The kernels from packages before ltsp_kernel-3.0.15 (2.4.24-ltsp-4) had > an experimental Trident frame buffer driver compiled in. The T-150 > has a Trident video chipset. > > The 2.4.24-ltsp-4 kernel (in the 3.0.15) ltsp_kernel package doesn't > include that trident framebuffer driver, and should work fine. > > you can get the latest kernel from the Ltsp.org download page. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > >> Has anybody worked with the "Gateway FPD1530" flat panel monitor? >> >> I wanted to set up telnet on screen 2 but the screen draws for a split >> second then gone. It does this every 5-8 seconds. >> >> X looks beautiful. >> >> I'm using 4.0.1 and LTSP150 thin clients. These monitors have several >> modes and they auto-config (very annoying at times) 1024x768 is the >> preferred mode listed in the manual. (which provides little other >> information) >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> >> ---------- >> Lewis Holcroft >> System Administrator >> Physician's Computer Company >> 1 Main Street, Suite 7 >> Winooski, VT 05404 >> www.pcc.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jun 15 22:54:51 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:54:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] old news...good info still Message-ID: <000a01c4532b$c406dde0$1803010a@paasda.org> The following is something I found in the archives while looking for USB pendrive support. the 2nd link has a lot of good info...I didn't browse ALL of the casestudies, but I did add my own. I'm hoping those who have posted there(if they are still on this list) would update their cases as things develop and they grow. Now a question for Paul: Is there a link somewhere to the presentation mentioned in the first paragraph? * From: Paul Nelson * To: k12osn * Subject: [K12OSN] Case studies and PR * Date: Thu Feb 13 00:34:12 2003 Hello Folks, I'm producing a presentation on Linux in schools for my final Masters project. My goal is to survey users of Linux in schools and ask the question, "Is it really working?" By that, I mean, is Linux giving you the technology your students need? I'd like to hear about the what and why of what is working and also what is not working. The final product should be a presentation we can all use with school boards and the like to let people know what's going on. Specific requests: 1. Photos of your labs with kids. 2. Letters/emails from your students/teachers 3. Quick surveys of your students/teachers for one basic question: Can you get your work done just as well using Linux? OK, two questions: Should other schools do this too? 4. Visit the two case study pages: http://www.k12ltsp.org/cgi-bin/mailmerge.cgi/casestudy http://casestudy.seul.org/index.html Thanks, ;-) Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 15 23:24:55 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:24:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New LTSP kernel for testing, Was: Monitor Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1087341894.2265.174.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 15:09, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Jim, > > rpm -qa | grep ltsp_kernel > ltsp_kernel_i386_pxe-3.0-13.k12ltsp.1.4.0 > ltsp_kernel_i386-3.0-13.k12ltsp.1.4.0 > > I have been updating on a regular basis. (I think I am current) I have > been trying to solve this by passing the vga=0x??? option to the kernel > also. I've tried several options but no luck yet. Hmmm, I missed a ltsp kernel update. I just built new packages and uploaded them into the test directory: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ Be sure to update both the ltsp_kernel_i386-3.0-15.k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch.rpm and the ltsp_kernel_i386_pxe-3.0-15.k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch.rpm packages. These packages should work for both K12LTSP 3.1.x and 4.0.x. Once more extensive testing has been done, I'll move these over to the apt/yum repositories. -Eric > On Jun 15, 2004, at 5:37 PM, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > > Lewis, > > > > Which LTSP kernel are you running ? > > > > The kernels from packages before ltsp_kernel-3.0.15 (2.4.24-ltsp-4) had > > an experimental Trident frame buffer driver compiled in. The T-150 > > has a Trident video chipset. > > > > The 2.4.24-ltsp-4 kernel (in the 3.0.15) ltsp_kernel package doesn't > > include that trident framebuffer driver, and should work fine. > > > > you can get the latest kernel from the Ltsp.org download page. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > > > >> Has anybody worked with the "Gateway FPD1530" flat panel monitor? > >> > >> I wanted to set up telnet on screen 2 but the screen draws for a split > >> second then gone. It does this every 5-8 seconds. > >> > >> X looks beautiful. > >> > >> I'm using 4.0.1 and LTSP150 thin clients. These monitors have several > >> modes and they auto-config (very annoying at times) 1024x768 is the > >> preferred mode listed in the manual. (which provides little other > >> information) > >> > >> Any help would be appreciated. > >> > >> > >> ---------- > >> Lewis Holcroft > >> System Administrator > >> Physician's Computer Company > >> 1 Main Street, Suite 7 > >> Winooski, VT 05404 > >> www.pcc.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jun 15 14:43:57 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:43:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Adding Users In-Reply-To: <200406150946.i5F9kPR17406@downeast.net> References: <200406150946.i5F9kPR17406@downeast.net> Message-ID: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP-howto-v2.pdf The link above is to the pdf version of my latest how-to for Samba-LDAP....I duplicated the set up today. I will post my configs (hopefully Friday) for all to access. Let me know of additions, omissions, and screw-ups. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Jun 16 00:34:32 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:04:32 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome flavor of kprinter? In-Reply-To: <40CF1727.8050806@inlandlakes.org> References: <40CF1727.8050806@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1087346071.2971.13.camel@roop.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 21:05, Shawn Powers wrote: > I love KDE. I also like sound. I can't have both in LTSP. SO, I've > been focusing on Gnome or ICEWM -- but printing has me befuddled a bit. > > Is there a Gnome version of "kprinter" or some such app? Should I just > use kprinter? > > Also, should I verse myself on standard linux LPR printer setups for my > users? This next year, I'll have users in 4 buildings connecting to the > same LTSP server, and will need to give different groups different > default printers. I understand all the printers will be installed on > the server, but for individual users (or even better, individual thin > clients) is it possible to determine a default printer that is not the > system default? > > I know that mozilla (by default) just uses standard lpr printing -- so a > student hitting "print" will send the print job to the default printer > on the system, which might be in another building! (At which point, > they hit print 73 times, assuming that will help) I'm sure you see the > chaos that ensues.. > > Any tips on printing help? Shawn, In the standard K12LTSP (at least in ver 3) install a Gnome user gets a "Printer" icon on his desktop. Clicking this opens up all the printers available with the default printer highlighted. Now if a user right clicks on the printer he wants to set as default and selects "Make default" option this becomes his default printer. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Jun 16 00:40:40 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:10:40 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Terminal Services Prototype! In-Reply-To: <40CF1945.70301@inlandlakes.org> References: <200406142346.i5ENklt14592@downeast.net> <40CF0C90.9090609@maltzen.net> <40CF13A7.3040704@inlandlakes.org> <40CF1791.3080403@maltzen.net> <40CF1945.70301@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1087346440.2971.18.camel@roop.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 21:14, Shawn Powers wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > > WTS and rdesktop (RDP) *are* nice and do work well. However, as > > I don't suppose there is any plans down the road of a "backgrounded X > session" running? The actual way WTS works is very nice (not talking > about optimizations, etc, just the connect/disconnect idea) and it seems > that VNC working that way would be nice -- BUT VNC is not the same as a > native X session. > > Anyway, I jumped on this thread very late, but had to throw my 2 cents > in. :) > > -Shawn Again jumping into thread very late but "screen" command does something similar. You can start a program log out and come back and connect to the same screen. I learnt of this a couple of days back and am exploring possibilities this offers while running on thin client. Something similar to what "wget -b" does in downloading web. At command line $man screen -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Jun 16 00:44:28 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:14:28 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Adding Users In-Reply-To: <40CF110F.9020200@maltzen.net> References: <200406150946.i5F9kPR17406@downeast.net> <40CF110F.9020200@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1087346667.2971.21.camel@roop.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 20:39, Petre Scheie wrote: > OT: > David, did you use OOo to create your pdf file. Has anyone besides me seen the > situation where xpdf won't proprerly read files created in OOo? The version on > my K12ltsp box just shows garbage of David's file. I've got Adobe's AcroRead > which handles it just fine, so reading this file isn't an issue. I just wonder > if it's a bug in OOo or xpdf, as I've seen this with other pdf files, and I > think the common thread is that they were created in OOo. Just tried it and xpdf Works fine here and I am able to read his document. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Jun 16 01:34:13 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:34:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync K12LTSP 4.1 alpha? In-Reply-To: <20040615232513.8BA757398C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040615232513.8BA757398C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087349653.20980.2.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Syntax? rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-alpha/4.1/ . - thanks john From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 16 02:28:13 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:28:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format Message-ID: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.sxw here's the Samba LDAP how-to in OO format David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 16 06:24:46 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rsync K12LTSP 4.1 alpha? In-Reply-To: <1087349653.20980.2.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, John Baillie wrote: >Syntax? > >rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-alpha/4.1/ . rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . Hey, what can I say, I guess I was being optimistic when I setup that rsync module ;-) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 16 06:30:57 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] alpha build #8 Message-ID: I whipped out another v4.1 alpha build. This is more-or-less to test the updated FC2 kernel and the latest LTSP kernel. Standard disclaimer: this was slapped together with minimal testing and it may or may not actually work (but I did do one install and booted one terminal ;-) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0alpha/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . -Eric From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Wed Jun 16 12:29:51 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:29:51 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406161329.52605.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 16 Jun 2004 03:28, David Trask wrote: > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.sxw > > here's the Samba LDAP how-to in OO format Excellent, I will read and give feedback. Could I convert this to Docbook XML if it's OK? > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA0D0/eWseh9tzvqgRAmY+AKCctitOJvmvL5NgGu35WX6XEHJy8QCfZh7b WrnLTMEc1IF4slGlYo+/kK4= =uFn4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jun 16 12:26:48 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:26:48 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format Message-ID: <200406161111.i5GBBKX14845@downeast.net> hey david--you didn't have tomess with krb5.conf?Other than a couple typos the document looks great..chuck > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.sxw > > here's the Samba LDAP how-to in OO format > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 16 12:46:35 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:46:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <200406161111.i5GBBKX14845@downeast.net> References: <200406161111.i5GBBKX14845@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >you didn't have tomess with krb5.conf? nope....not at all David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 16 12:46:07 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:46:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <200406161329.52605.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <200406161329.52605.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Could I convert this to Docbook XML if it's OK? go nuts! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Jun 16 13:05:34 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:05:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing problem V4.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ??? >Hi gang >I've done three server installs lately using V4.0.1 that generate a >synaptic error that require foomatic to be uninstalled, with the >consequent collapse of all printing guis. I've tried rpm and >apt-getting the uninstalled links/resources to no avail... Can >someone suggest a fix here? >Thanks >Alan Hodson, El Paso ISD >http://links.episd.org >-=o=- > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From ddaniels at magic.fr Wed Jun 16 13:20:39 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:20:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] alpha build #8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D04927.8030800@magic.fr> page updated : http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/UseRsync best and thanks! dgd Eric Harrison wrote: > I whipped out another v4.1 alpha build. This is more-or-less to test > the updated FC2 kernel and the latest LTSP kernel. > > Standard disclaimer: this was slapped together with minimal testing > and it may or may not actually work (but I did do one install and > booted one terminal ;-) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0alpha/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 16 14:01:09 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:01:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing problem V4.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D052A5.4010607@inlandlakes.org> Hey Alan, I didn't know the answer before -- but since you didnt' get a response, I'll brainstorm with ya... Alan A Hodson wrote: >> synaptic error First off, this makes me chuckle. It sounds like the server needs brain surgery. > foomatic to be uninstalled I think I've seen a problem with hpijs (or some combination of those letters) after an install/upgrade. Generally, I just let it remove that package, and all seems well. Let me open this thread up a bit and ask some questions: * What printing guis are broken? * How do you sent printers up? (ie, web based CUPS admin, kprinter, vi and /etc/printcap, gnome printer tool thing, etc) * What kind of printer are you connecting to? * If you don't use synaptic, but rather other tools, do you still get the problems? (I've never used synaptic before, so if it's a problem with that particular program, I won't be much help) Ok, we'll work from there. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Jun 16 14:02:49 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:02:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on Sparc Message-ID: <40D05309.4090107@netscape.net> Hi, There was a post for a "Step-by-step Howto" install and setup LTSP on Sparc (Solaris), does anyone still have a working link to it ? Our school has a number of Sparc workstations and Ultrasparc that I would like to turn into LTSP servers, does anyone have a working system(s) and could we get some feedback? Thank you norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA0FwKeWseh9tzvqgRAo/HAJwN0O9Avr9Cnck7Zn1WDD4zy+9C2gCfTKEk WvwnWEJn0aLfFByJYiWMZy0= =O6Qc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Jun 16 15:36:47 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:36:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tape backup Message-ID: <40D0690F.1030702@msln.net> I have a dell power edge server with a dlt1 tape drive. I'm running Redhat 9.0 with the LTSP 3.1.2 loaded. The install sees the tape drive in the hardware browser as dev/st. Not as dev/st0/1/2/3... . Anyone know how to get this to be mountable? I checked the /etc/fstab and there is no listing for the tape drive and wasn't sure on how to enter it, file type and such. Thanks Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Wed Jun 16 15:36:45 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:36:45 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <200406161541.15623.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <200406161541.15623.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <200406161636.46183.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 16 Jun 2004 15:41, Gavin Henry wrote: > On Wednesday 16 Jun 2004 13:46, David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > writes: > > >Could I convert this to Docbook XML if it's OK? > > And I think I will submit it to FedoraNEWS.ORG > > I am http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry > Not completely tagged up yet, but here's a beta view (it will be in the contributors section of course): http://fedoranews.org/ghenry/ldap/ Also, I am on the tldp.org team for the LDAP-implementation howto upgrade/update. Can I use some? - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA0GkNeWseh9tzvqgRAr0SAJ42fVZ5qgHfgVFgzHkC3z7FaXyVkwCdGTsY txK/dxkdh+/aV6jHAlVknYQ= =8111 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jim at rossberry.com Wed Jun 16 15:44:15 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <200406161541.15623.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <200406161329.52605.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <200406161541.15623.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Gavin Henry wrote: > > > > writes: > > >Could I convert this to Docbook XML if it's OK? > > And I think I will submit it to FedoraNEWS.ORG > > I am http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry > > > go nuts! :-) What tools do you use for DocBook? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Our political way of life is by the laws of nature, of nature's God, and of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon man, preceding all institutions of human society and government." 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URL: From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Wed Jun 16 15:54:25 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:54:25 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: References: <200406161541.15623.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <200406161654.27059.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 16 Jun 2004 16:44, Jim Wildman wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Gavin Henry wrote: > > > writes: > > > >Could I convert this to Docbook XML if it's OK? > > > > And I think I will submit it to FedoraNEWS.ORG > > > > I am http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry > > > > > go nuts! :-) > > What tools do you use for DocBook? Read my second patch ;-) http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/acknowledgments.html Don't have tiem to be an official editor though :-( > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com > "Our political way of life is by the laws of nature, of nature's God, and > of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the > universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon > man, preceding all institutions of human society and government." > John Quincy Adamns > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA0G0xeWseh9tzvqgRAsi7AJ9lWwVUiD5u++db26Qh4URBvhwAeACcC+mh Ptl9B2fwthUdDT0XJU9f3po= =/zc7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Jun 16 15:58:23 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:58:23 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Tape backup In-Reply-To: <40D0690F.1030702@msln.net> References: <40D0690F.1030702@msln.net> Message-ID: <1087401503.12837.36.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 12:36, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I have a dell power edge server with a dlt1 tape drive. I'm running > Redhat 9.0 with the LTSP 3.1.2 loaded. The install sees the tape drive > in the hardware browser as dev/st. Not as dev/st0/1/2/3... . Anyone know > how to get this to be mountable? I checked the /etc/fstab and there is > no listing for the tape drive and wasn't sure on how to enter it, file > type and such. For a DDS2 and 4 I have used the information on Amanda at fedoranews. It works and after a few backups I have been able to recover files. Tim From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Jun 16 16:17:33 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:17:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <003001c43f4d$1920fb00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I have tried this, when I attempt to login to Squirrel Mail I get an error; (Preference Database error (not found). Exiting abnormally. I don't understand how to paste the tables into Mysql..... Please help.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:03 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I found the following site for any of those who are interested detailing a complete Postfix + Pop + Imap + Squirrelmail + ClamAV + SpamAssassin server. It is easy to follow and no hidden or implied steps. This is even written for WBEL 3. I just ran this as an addon to my file server. Definitely the quickest and easiest tutorial I found for this setup. http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=3647 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.2 - Release Date: 5/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 From williamm at timbercon.com Wed Jun 16 16:08:03 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William J McCloskey) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:08:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200406160906707.SM03528@GYRO> That sounds like a squirrel mail error, Check your Squirrel mail configuration and mysql settings. William McCloskey IT Manager Timbercon, INC. ~ www.timbercon.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:18 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I have tried this, when I attempt to login to Squirrel Mail I get an error; (Preference Database error (not found). Exiting abnormally. I don't understand how to paste the tables into Mysql..... Please help.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:03 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I found the following site for any of those who are interested detailing a complete Postfix + Pop + Imap + Squirrelmail + ClamAV + SpamAssassin server. It is easy to follow and no hidden or implied steps. This is even written for WBEL 3. I just ran this as an addon to my file server. Definitely the quickest and easiest tutorial I found for this setup. http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=3647 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.2 - Release Date: 5/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Jun 16 16:30:53 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:30:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <200406160906707.SM03528@GYRO> Message-ID: How can I check Mysql/Squirrelmail to see if the address table and the userprefs table exist?????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of William J McCloskey Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:08 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial That sounds like a squirrel mail error, Check your Squirrel mail configuration and mysql settings. William McCloskey IT Manager Timbercon, INC. ~ www.timbercon.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:18 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I have tried this, when I attempt to login to Squirrel Mail I get an error; (Preference Database error (not found). Exiting abnormally. I don't understand how to paste the tables into Mysql..... Please help.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:03 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I found the following site for any of those who are interested detailing a complete Postfix + Pop + Imap + Squirrelmail + ClamAV + SpamAssassin server. It is easy to follow and no hidden or implied steps. This is even written for WBEL 3. I just ran this as an addon to my file server. Definitely the quickest and easiest tutorial I found for this setup. http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=3647 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.2 - Release Date: 5/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 16 16:15:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:15:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c453bd$1680ca40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > I have tried this, when I attempt to login to Squirrel > Mail I get an error; (Preference Database error (not found). > Exiting abnormally. I don't understand how to paste the > tables into Mysql Here is an updated post for the same tutorial http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=3647 I only followed the first three stages and stopped before setting up mysql for squirrelmail. I only used squirrelmail as a test webmail. I am currently using openwebmail from www.openwebmail.org as I think out of the box it is a much better client asthetically and feature wise. So I can't be much help with the mysql setup. From williamm at timbercon.com Wed Jun 16 16:19:30 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William J McCloskey) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:19:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200406160917772.SM03528@GYRO> Login to mysql. Mysql> use db; (replace db with the name of your squirrel mail database) Mysql> show tables; This will show a list of tables in that database. You should have one called "addresses" and one called "userprefs". If not, run these commands: CREATE TABLE address ( owner varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, nickname varchar(16) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, firstname varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, lastname varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, email varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, label varchar(255), PRIMARY KEY (owner,nickname), KEY firstname (firstname,lastname) ); CREATE TABLE userprefs ( user varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, prefkey varchar(64) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, prefval BLOB DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (user,prefkey) ); I'm not sure, but you might need to flush the permissions table using "FLUSH PERMISSIONS;" to get the permissions to take effect on the new tables. That should get ya working though. William McCloskey -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:31 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial How can I check Mysql/Squirrelmail to see if the address table and the userprefs table exist?????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of William J McCloskey Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:08 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial That sounds like a squirrel mail error, Check your Squirrel mail configuration and mysql settings. William McCloskey IT Manager Timbercon, INC. ~ www.timbercon.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:18 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I have tried this, when I attempt to login to Squirrel Mail I get an error; (Preference Database error (not found). Exiting abnormally. I don't understand how to paste the tables into Mysql..... Please help.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:03 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I found the following site for any of those who are interested detailing a complete Postfix + Pop + Imap + Squirrelmail + ClamAV + SpamAssassin server. It is easy to follow and no hidden or implied steps. This is even written for WBEL 3. I just ran this as an addon to my file server. Definitely the quickest and easiest tutorial I found for this setup. http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=3647 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.2 - Release Date: 5/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From williamm at timbercon.com Wed Jun 16 16:20:04 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William McCloskey) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:20:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Post install router setup Message-ID: I'm looking for a good tutorial or instruction sheet on how to get a router setup on Fedora Core 1, post install. Any great sites? William J McCloskey Information Technology Manager williamm at timbercon.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From tim at litwiller.net Wed Jun 16 16:27:07 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:27:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Post install router setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D074DB.90501@litwiller.net> What is your definition of router in the context of this question? William McCloskey wrote: > --> > > I?m looking for a good tutorial or instruction sheet on how to get a > router setup on Fedora Core 1, post install. Any great sites? > > * William J McCloskey > Information Technology Manager > williamm at timbercon.com > > *** > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From williamm at timbercon.com Wed Jun 16 16:32:36 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William J McCloskey) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:32:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Post install router setup In-Reply-To: <40D074DB.90501@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <200406160930581.SM03528@GYRO> Basic NAT router that I can use as a firewall and gateway with the internet to our internal network. I mostly want to be able to filter/cache traffic and setup static port mappings to internal boxes on a set of external IP's. William McCloskey -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Tim Litwiller Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:27 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Post install router setup What is your definition of router in the context of this question? William McCloskey wrote: > --> > > I'm looking for a good tutorial or instruction sheet on how to get a > router setup on Fedora Core 1, post install. Any great sites? > > * William J McCloskey > Information Technology Manager > williamm at timbercon.com > > *** > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Jun 16 16:32:02 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:32:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tape backup In-Reply-To: <20040616160014.BD448734CB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040616160014.BD448734CB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087403521.22003.17.camel@phoenix> >From what I know, you will not see the tape drive listed under fstab. Try running "mt -f /dev/st0 status" and see what it says. It took me a while to get my backups running (custom shell script around good ole dump)! Your best friend will probably be "man mt"... I have played around with it a little bit (rewinding, ejecting, etc)... so a good test for you would probably be "mt -f /dev/st0 eject" to see if the tape ejects... or at least goes "not in use" for you to remove the tape... which is what my drive does. It being on /dev/st does sound strange... it probably is /dev/st0 and also /dev/nst0 (they refer to the same tape device, it just is when you use /dev/st0, it will rewind the tape after every operation and /dev/nst0 will not... usefully if you are using 2 dumps on a tape and don't want the 2nd dump to rewind the tape and overwrite the first!) I sym-linked /dev/tape to /dev/nst0 (no rewind operations... I rewind manually/when I need to). There was a good explanation on the internet that showed how file positions and EOF markers are used, but I can't find it... oh well. Henry Burroughs > From: Timothy Legge > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Tape backup > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:58:23 -0300 > > On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 12:36, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > I have a dell power edge server with a dlt1 tape drive. I'm running > > Redhat 9.0 with the LTSP 3.1.2 loaded. The install sees the tape drive > > in the hardware browser as dev/st. Not as dev/st0/1/2/3... . Anyone know > > how to get this to be mountable? I checked the /etc/fstab and there is > > no listing for the tape drive and wasn't sure on how to enter it, file > > type and such. > > For a DDS2 and 4 I have used the information on Amanda at fedoranews. > It works and after a few backups I have been able to recover files. > > Tim From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Jun 16 16:53:23 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound cards Message-ID: <7150853.1087404803765.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> I am using K12LTSP 4.0.1 Where in the various files do I need to look to find a listing of which sound cards have drivers compiled in the kernel? Thanks Pat From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Jun 16 16:59:18 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:59:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <200406160917772.SM03528@GYRO> Message-ID: When I do "show tables" the result is "Empty set (00.0 sec)" and when you say run these commands I don't understand, is it all one line? How is each line seperated? What is the syntax for this command? I've trier everything I know, I'm sure its simple, but not if you don't know how.... Please explain.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of William J McCloskey Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:20 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial Login to mysql. Mysql> use db; (replace db with the name of your squirrel mail database) Mysql> show tables; This will show a list of tables in that database. You should have one called "addresses" and one called "userprefs". If not, run these commands: CREATE TABLE address ( owner varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, nickname varchar(16) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, firstname varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, lastname varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, email varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, label varchar(255), PRIMARY KEY (owner,nickname), KEY firstname (firstname,lastname) ); CREATE TABLE userprefs ( user varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, prefkey varchar(64) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, prefval BLOB DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (user,prefkey) ); I'm not sure, but you might need to flush the permissions table using "FLUSH PERMISSIONS;" to get the permissions to take effect on the new tables. That should get ya working though. William McCloskey -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:31 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial How can I check Mysql/Squirrelmail to see if the address table and the userprefs table exist?????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of William J McCloskey Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:08 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial That sounds like a squirrel mail error, Check your Squirrel mail configuration and mysql settings. William McCloskey IT Manager Timbercon, INC. ~ www.timbercon.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:18 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I have tried this, when I attempt to login to Squirrel Mail I get an error; (Preference Database error (not found). Exiting abnormally. I don't understand how to paste the tables into Mysql..... Please help.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:03 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I found the following site for any of those who are interested detailing a complete Postfix + Pop + Imap + Squirrelmail + ClamAV + SpamAssassin server. It is easy to follow and no hidden or implied steps. This is even written for WBEL 3. I just ran this as an addon to my file server. Definitely the quickest and easiest tutorial I found for this setup. http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=3647 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.2 - Release Date: 5/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 From williamm at timbercon.com Wed Jun 16 17:00:17 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William J McCloskey) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:00:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200406160958233.SM03528@GYRO> You can just copy and paste those into the command line (if possible). Otherwise, they don't have to be on one line, the ; indicated the end of the command. For more information on mysql queries I would check out the information on mysql.com in there user manual, That's where I learned to dabble in mysql. William McCloskey -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:59 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial When I do "show tables" the result is "Empty set (00.0 sec)" and when you say run these commands I don't understand, is it all one line? How is each line seperated? What is the syntax for this command? I've trier everything I know, I'm sure its simple, but not if you don't know how.... Please explain.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of William J McCloskey Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:20 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial Login to mysql. Mysql> use db; (replace db with the name of your squirrel mail database) Mysql> show tables; This will show a list of tables in that database. You should have one called "addresses" and one called "userprefs". If not, run these commands: CREATE TABLE address ( owner varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, nickname varchar(16) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, firstname varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, lastname varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, email varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, label varchar(255), PRIMARY KEY (owner,nickname), KEY firstname (firstname,lastname) ); CREATE TABLE userprefs ( user varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, prefkey varchar(64) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, prefval BLOB DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (user,prefkey) ); I'm not sure, but you might need to flush the permissions table using "FLUSH PERMISSIONS;" to get the permissions to take effect on the new tables. That should get ya working though. William McCloskey -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:31 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial How can I check Mysql/Squirrelmail to see if the address table and the userprefs table exist?????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of William J McCloskey Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:08 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial That sounds like a squirrel mail error, Check your Squirrel mail configuration and mysql settings. William McCloskey IT Manager Timbercon, INC. ~ www.timbercon.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:18 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I have tried this, when I attempt to login to Squirrel Mail I get an error; (Preference Database error (not found). Exiting abnormally. I don't understand how to paste the tables into Mysql..... Please help.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:03 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I found the following site for any of those who are interested detailing a complete Postfix + Pop + Imap + Squirrelmail + ClamAV + SpamAssassin server. It is easy to follow and no hidden or implied steps. This is even written for WBEL 3. I just ran this as an addon to my file server. Definitely the quickest and easiest tutorial I found for this setup. http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=3647 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.2 - Release Date: 5/18/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Jun 16 16:56:29 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:56:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tape backup In-Reply-To: <1087403521.22003.17.camel@phoenix> References: <20040616160014.BD448734CB@hormel.redhat.com> <1087403521.22003.17.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: <40D07BBD.90802@msln.net> Outstanding! It popped out. "mt -f /dev/nst0 eject" Now I just need to figure out webmin backup. Thankyou. Mark Henry Burroughs wrote: >>From what I know, you will not see the tape drive listed under fstab. >Try running "mt -f /dev/st0 status" and see what it says. It took me a >while to get my backups running (custom shell script around good ole >dump)! Your best friend will probably be "man mt"... I have played >around with it a little bit (rewinding, ejecting, etc)... so a good >test for you would probably be "mt -f /dev/st0 eject" to see if the tape >ejects... or at least goes "not in use" for you to remove the tape... >which is what my drive does. > >It being on /dev/st does sound strange... it probably is /dev/st0 and >also /dev/nst0 (they refer to the same tape device, it just is when you >use /dev/st0, it will rewind the tape after every operation and >/dev/nst0 will not... usefully if you are using 2 dumps on a tape and >don't want the 2nd dump to rewind the tape and overwrite the first!) I >sym-linked /dev/tape to /dev/nst0 (no rewind operations... I rewind >manually/when I need to). > >There was a good explanation on the internet that showed how file >positions and EOF markers are used, but I can't find it... oh well. > >Henry Burroughs > > > > >>From: Timothy Legge >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Tape backup >>Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:58:23 -0300 >> >>On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 12:36, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >> >>>I have a dell power edge server with a dlt1 tape drive. I'm running >>>Redhat 9.0 with the LTSP 3.1.2 loaded. The install sees the tape drive >>>in the hardware browser as dev/st. Not as dev/st0/1/2/3... . Anyone know >>>how to get this to be mountable? I checked the /etc/fstab and there is >>>no listing for the tape drive and wasn't sure on how to enter it, file >>>type and such. >>> >>> >>For a DDS2 and 4 I have used the information on Amanda at fedoranews. >>It works and after a few backups I have been able to recover files. >> >>Tim >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 16 17:59:07 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:59:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tape backup In-Reply-To: <40D07BBD.90802@msln.net> References: <20040616160014.BD448734CB@hormel.redhat.com> <1087403521.22003.17.camel@phoenix> <40D07BBD.90802@msln.net> Message-ID: <1087408746.25919.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 11:56, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Outstanding! It popped out. "mt -f /dev/nst0 eject" Now I just need to > figure out webmin backup. The command 'dmesg' soon after booting, or 'less /var/log/dmesg' later will show what device names are used for the physical devices as they are found in the boot sequence. The mt command defaults to using /dev/tape, so if you symlink that to /dev/nst0 you don't have to mention the name in the command. If you want a simple command line to backup to tape, I like to keep each filesystem in a separate so I cd to the top of each and: tar --one-file-system -cvf /dev/tape . To restore, cd to where you want the files and tar -xpvf /dev/tape You can either use mt -fsf 1 to advance to the next file on the tape or just repeat the tar command an extra time. It will fail on the filemarks before the next run but the read will advance to the start and the next time will succeed. However, it is worth the trouble to set up amanda for a full-auto system, especially if you have more than one computer involved. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 16 18:03:22 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:03:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy for Email and other apps not proxied by squid In-Reply-To: <000001c453d2$36143cb0$b50f0fac@sean> References: <000001c453d2$36143cb0$b50f0fac@sean> Message-ID: <1087409001.25919.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 13:46, Sean Fichera wrote: > After all that we found that if you open up the ports on the firewall > and enter your ISP?s DNS IP in the network properties (or DHCP so the > clients get the address) then email works just fine using outlook on a > windows box. No need for sendmail or any of that junk. Note that some ISP's may not permit sending mail to other domains from places outside their own networks. If you want to allow this, you'll need to set up an SMTP forwarder (sendmail, postfix, qmail, etc.) that accepts local mail but has no local users for delivery. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 16 18:39:56 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:39:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE and sound... Message-ID: <40D093FC.4050006@inlandlakes.org> Ok, I've tried all this week to use gnome. Sigh. Is there anyway to get thin clients to have sound and KDE? Is it OK to run esd for things like xmms, while using KDE (understanding that kde apps won't have "native" sound support)? Where does "nasd" fit into the situation? Thanks all, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 16 19:01:30 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:01:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE and sound... In-Reply-To: <40D093FC.4050006@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <003601c453d4$55318f60$1803010a@paasda.org> sorry but it begs the question... "WHY does sound not work with KDE?" Personally I don't allow sound in the computer lab or library lab but then again I'm do a high school environment...and if they want sound stuff they go to the multimedia lab of MACS... I suppose it would be a good thing to have for the younger kids, as TuxPaint sounds are really kinda cute *cough, 'da Bears!* --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:40 AM To: K12LTSP List Subject: [K12OSN] KDE and sound... Ok, I've tried all this week to use gnome. Sigh. Is there anyway to get thin clients to have sound and KDE? Is it OK to run esd for things like xmms, while using KDE (understanding that kde apps won't have "native" sound support)? Where does "nasd" fit into the situation? Thanks all, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Wed Jun 16 19:21:30 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:21:30 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 16 Jun 2004 03:28, David Trask wrote: > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.sxw > > here's the Samba LDAP how-to in OO format > I have 3 points and one request: 1. The backend ldap should be bdb not ldbm (discussed very indepth on the OpenLDAP lists). 2. You should really have access controls on the LDAP database, as anyone can hen read your hashed password over the wire, unless, which I didn't notice, you only have the LDAP server listening on localhost? 3. You should be using TLS. 4. Could you do a wee conclusion, rounding everything off. Would you mind if some of us add the 3 points above in? Lastly, this is great document and must of taken you ages. ALl it needs is someone to start this of, then others can help. Due you mind if I forward this to the fedora-docs list as they can do all this for us? Thanks. - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA0J26eWseh9tzvqgRAkrbAJ0SOZ1EC5tMa8tYQlHe/3PmgAIrEwCfVgrz wbjBRSOS0Y2gFywxjapyVgM= =Mg4n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 16 19:51:22 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:51:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE and sound... In-Reply-To: <003601c453d4$55318f60$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003601c453d4$55318f60$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40D0A4BA.7060504@inlandlakes.org> Huck wrote: > "WHY does sound not work with KDE?" Maybe I'm wrong -- but I believe there is no way to get artsd (the KDE sound server) to work with thin clients. The gnome/icewm sound manager (esd) works on the thin clients just fine. Even with my ISA sound cards! I believe this is a limitation of artsd. That's also why I asked the question about nasd -- because I have no idea what that is or does. :) Even with esd (gnome/icewm) I've not been able to use the mixer, but the sound does work pretty nice, with some slight "echos" at the end of playing something. For example, my "You've got mail" sound actually comes out, "You've got mail 'ot mail." But that doesn't bother me, it's kinda funny. ;) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ckjohnson at gwi.net Wed Jun 16 20:22:34 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:22:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <40D0AC0A.7050203@gwi.net> Gavin Henry wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Wednesday 16 Jun 2004 03:28, David Trask wrote: > > >>http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.sxw >> >>here's the Samba LDAP how-to in OO format >> >> >> > >I have 3 points and one request: > >1. The backend ldap should be bdb not ldbm (discussed very indepth on the >OpenLDAP lists). > >2. You should really have access controls on the LDAP database, as anyone can >hen read your hashed password over the wire, unless, which I didn't notice, >you only have the LDAP server listening on localhost? > >3. You should be using TLS. > >4. Could you do a wee conclusion, rounding everything off. > > >Would you mind if some of us add the 3 points above in? > >Lastly, this is great document and must of taken you ages. ALl it needs is >someone to start this of, then others can help. > >Due you mind if I forward this to the fedora-docs list as they can do all this >for us? > > All good suggestions, some of which David and I have already discussed. He expressed to me that he wanted to first get it working, and then go back and work to incorporate better security such as you have indicated. Thanks for working to move this along with other doc folks in implementing them. Comments: Re 1. In that case why is bdb not the default in slapd.conf as provided by the FC2 openldap-servers rpm? I suspect that David simply used what was there, not changing the backend. I'm not trying to disagree - just to point out that if this is now the standing recommendation then in addition to changing the how-to it should be changed in the slapd.conf provided by the rpm. Re 2. Definitely, although the issue is actually whether ldap directory users have query or update access to other users' hashed passwords. The over the wire comment relates to the TLS recommendation. Re 3. Definitely. Other points: 5. The smbldap-tools provided by the FC2 samba rpm under /usr/share/samba-n.n.n/LDAP/smbldap-tools are out of date. They should either be brought current, or removed and placed in a separate smbldap-tools rpm _included_ in FC2 distro with a pre-requisite of the perl-LDAP rpm, which in turn requires other perl- rpms. I believe this change would avoid the need for any of the CPAN steps, and allow installing the smbldap-tools from the FC2 distro. 6. The how-to should include using slappasswd to create a good password hash for inclusion within slapd.conf in lieu of the default password. 7. Yum would work just as well as apt. Perhaps alternative commands for updating and installing rpms either way would make the how-to equally as friendly to people who prefer yum. I hope the community does remedy all those points to give this very useful document a more robust treatment of security, and make FC2 a little less complex to implement samba/ldap on. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Wed Jun 16 21:10:18 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:10:18 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <40D0AC0A.7050203@gwi.net> References: <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <40D0AC0A.7050203@gwi.net> Message-ID: <200406162210.23474.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 16 Jun 2004 21:22, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Gavin Henry wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Wednesday 16 Jun 2004 03:28, David Trask wrote: > >>http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.sxw > >> > >>here's the Samba LDAP how-to in OO format > > > >I have 3 points and one request: > > > >1. The backend ldap should be bdb not ldbm (discussed very indepth on the > >OpenLDAP lists). > > > >2. You should really have access controls on the LDAP database, as anyone > > can hen read your hashed password over the wire, unless, which I didn't > > notice, you only have the LDAP server listening on localhost? > > > >3. You should be using TLS. > > > >4. Could you do a wee conclusion, rounding everything off. > > > > > >Would you mind if some of us add the 3 points above in? > > > >Lastly, this is great document and must of taken you ages. ALl it needs is > >someone to start this of, then others can help. > > > >Due you mind if I forward this to the fedora-docs list as they can do all > > this for us? > > All good suggestions, some of which David and I have already discussed. > He expressed to me that he wanted to first get it working, and then go > back and work to incorporate better security such as you have > indicated. Thanks for working to move this along with other doc folks > in implementing them. No, you are right, It is the right way to do it, and then progress to the other ways. No problems with the docs. By the way, I have seen the HTML version on his site, is David's mostly original? Does he have the OO version of it? It's just it has all the references and conclusion/intro etc, to make it a complete document. > > Comments: > Re 1. In that case why is bdb not the default in slapd.conf as provided > by the FC2 openldap-servers rpm? > I suspect that David simply used what > was there, not changing the backend. I'm not trying to disagree - just > to point out that if this is now the standing recommendation then in > addition to changing the how-to it should be changed in the slapd.conf > provided by the rpm. I totally agree and will start voicing this in the fedora-devel list. > > Re 2. Definitely, although the issue is actually whether ldap directory > users have query or update access to other users' hashed passwords. The > over the wire comment relates to the TLS recommendation. Agreed, but with no access controls what so ever, then anyone can query them, not just the rootdn. > > Re 3. Definitely. :-) > > Other points: > 5. The smbldap-tools provided by the FC2 samba rpm under > /usr/share/samba-n.n.n/LDAP/smbldap-tools are out of date. They should > either be brought current, or removed and placed in a separate > smbldap-tools rpm _included_ in FC2 distro with a pre-requisite of the > perl-LDAP rpm, which in turn requires other perl- rpms. I believe this > change would avoid the need for any of the CPAN steps, and allow > installing the smbldap-tools from the FC2 distro. Agreed, I think this is due for a massive upgrade. > > 6. The how-to should include using slappasswd to create a good password > hash for inclusion within slapd.conf in lieu of the default password. Definitely. > > 7. Yum would work just as well as apt. Perhaps alternative commands for > updating and installing rpms either way would make the how-to equally as > friendly to people who prefer yum. Good point. > > I hope the community does remedy all those points to give this very > useful document a more robust treatment of security, and make FC2 a > little less complex to implement samba/ldap on. > It is complicated, but shouldn't be as RPMs are used, if that makes any sense to a Gentoo user say ;-) - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA0Lc+eWseh9tzvqgRAnH6AJ9eJDQJRDlZNcmmMqtgd7tBQQ8f7QCdHSjm Z0mujTk2JQk1J3dAZWl7Lb0= =tk9e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Jun 16 21:30:32 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:30:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <200406160958233.SM03528@GYRO> Message-ID: Thanks to all for the information. I think Squirrel mail is working now, (maybe, still in a test environment). Which brings me to my next question; Is there a way to see if clamav is actually getting the updates??????? Thanks again for all the help, I really appreciate it... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of William J McCloskey Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 12:00 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial You can just copy and paste those into the command line (if possible). Otherwise, they don't have to be on one line, the ; indicated the end of the command. For more information on mysql queries I would check out the information on mysql.com in there user manual, That's where I learned to dabble in mysql. William McCloskey -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:59 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial When I do "show tables" the result is "Empty set (00.0 sec)" and when you say run these commands I don't understand, is it all one line? How is each line seperated? What is the syntax for this command? I've trier everything I know, I'm sure its simple, but not if you don't know how.... Please explain.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of William J McCloskey Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:20 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial Login to mysql. Mysql> use db; (replace db with the name of your squirrel mail database) Mysql> show tables; This will show a list of tables in that database. You should have one called "addresses" and one called "userprefs". If not, run these commands: CREATE TABLE address ( owner varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, nickname varchar(16) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, firstname varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, lastname varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, email varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, label varchar(255), PRIMARY KEY (owner,nickname), KEY firstname (firstname,lastname) ); CREATE TABLE userprefs ( user varchar(128) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, prefkey varchar(64) DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, prefval BLOB DEFAULT '' NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (user,prefkey) ); I'm not sure, but you might need to flush the permissions table using "FLUSH PERMISSIONS;" to get the permissions to take effect on the new tables. That should get ya working though. William McCloskey -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:31 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial How can I check Mysql/Squirrelmail to see if the address table and the userprefs table exist?????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of William J McCloskey Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:08 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial That sounds like a squirrel mail error, Check your Squirrel mail configuration and mysql settings. William McCloskey IT Manager Timbercon, INC. ~ www.timbercon.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:18 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I have tried this, when I attempt to login to Squirrel Mail I get an error; (Preference Database error (not found). Exiting abnormally. I don't understand how to paste the tables into Mysql..... Please help.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:03 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial I found the following site for any of those who are interested detailing a complete Postfix + Pop + Imap + Squirrelmail + ClamAV + SpamAssassin server. It is easy to follow and no hidden or implied steps. This is even written for WBEL 3. I just ran this as an addon to my file server. 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Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed Jun 16 21:13:32 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:13:32 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Tape backup Message-ID: Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> The install sees the tape drive in the hardware browser as dev/st. Not as dev/st0/1/2/3... . Anyone know how to get this to be mountable? << You don't mount tape drives; instead you write directly to them using your choice of tar, cpio, dump/restore, amanda or other backup software. I've written an article on this, at http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/web/Backup+and+Restore?OpenDocument Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed Jun 16 21:15:32 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:15:32 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Post install router setup Message-ID: "William J McCloskey" wrote: >> Basic NAT router that I can use as a firewall and gateway with the internet to our internal network. << There's a basic setup at http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/648487a560fcd4c6ca256cb600479520?OpenDocument. >From there, you can enhance it by editing /etc/sysconfig/iptables and adding your rules there. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Jun 16 21:48:19 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:48:19 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Tape backup In-Reply-To: <40D0690F.1030702@msln.net> References: <40D0690F.1030702@msln.net> Message-ID: <1087422496.1267.10.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hey Mark, It's been a long time, but you probably need to use the mt command (I think). There are a whole bunch of command line utils for tape drives. I found this out when i looked into amanda. The man pages should cover this. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 03:36, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I have a dell power edge server with a dlt1 tape drive. I'm running > Redhat 9.0 with the LTSP 3.1.2 loaded. The install sees the tape drive > in the hardware browser as dev/st. Not as dev/st0/1/2/3... . Anyone know > how to get this to be mountable? I checked the /etc/fstab and there is > no listing for the tape drive and wasn't sure on how to enter it, file > type and such. > Thanks > Mark -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Jun 16 22:46:44 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:46:44 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Tape backup In-Reply-To: <40D0690F.1030702@msln.net> References: <40D0690F.1030702@msln.net> Message-ID: <1087422686.1267.14.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Mark, One other thing I found. The drive I was using was an SLR. The particular drive was 20 / 40 GB. There were two different types of tapes available in that capacity. The supplier gave me the wrong type initially. The drive would not work! This also applies to DAT tapes. Be absolutely sure you have the correct tapes for your tape drive, other wise mt will fault every time. Very cryptic messages are produced when this happens! Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 03:36, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I have a dell power edge server with a dlt1 tape drive. I'm running > Redhat 9.0 with the LTSP 3.1.2 loaded. The install sees the tape drive > in the hardware browser as dev/st. Not as dev/st0/1/2/3... . Anyone know > how to get this to be mountable? I checked the /etc/fstab and there is > no listing for the tape drive and wasn't sure on how to enter it, file > type and such. > Thanks > Mark -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 16 23:00:37 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:00:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <200406162210.23474.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: < > <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> < > <40D0AC0A.7050203@gwi.net> <200406162210.23474.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: You are all right....TLS should be used....etc....etc....etc. BUT...much of that stuff is difficult to get working. If you can follow the how-to from idealx.org they outline how to do all of that (I tried..without success)...with the exception of the bdb....they too use lbdm. I will be working with Chris Johnson to try and make this a much more complete document. In my situation, a k-8 school, security isn't much of a concern. This is what I've been running for over a year...and so have many other schools in the area. This is not to say it's the best way, but it works. We are looking for folks who might like to help us write scripts and package things up. The security piece definitely needs to be addressed...I agree. The whole Samba/LDAP thing needs to be rolled up and made easier for newbies and tech admins alike. Unfortunately it'll be nearly impossible to roll it up for all distros, so we should concentrate on one that we know will work seamlessly with K12LTSP such as FC2 (please let's not have the whole WBEL, RHEL, Gentoo...etc. debate) It'd be nice for someone to be able to launch an installer....answer some questions and have the whole thing just work. It's time...this is IMHO the wave of the future of authentication...etc. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Wednesday 16 Jun 2004 21:22, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: >> Gavin Henry wrote: >> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >Hash: SHA1 >> > >> >On Wednesday 16 Jun 2004 03:28, David Trask wrote: >> >>http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.sxw >> >> >> >>here's the Samba LDAP how-to in OO format >> > >> >I have 3 points and one request: >> > >> >1. The backend ldap should be bdb not ldbm (discussed very indepth on >the >> >OpenLDAP lists). >> > >> >2. You should really have access controls on the LDAP database, as >anyone >> > can hen read your hashed password over the wire, unless, which I >didn't >> > notice, you only have the LDAP server listening on localhost? >> > >> >3. You should be using TLS. >> > >> >4. Could you do a wee conclusion, rounding everything off. >> > >> > >> >Would you mind if some of us add the 3 points above in? >> > >> >Lastly, this is great document and must of taken you ages. ALl it >needs is >> >someone to start this of, then others can help. >> > >> >Due you mind if I forward this to the fedora-docs list as they can do >all >> > this for us? >> >> All good suggestions, some of which David and I have already discussed. >> He expressed to me that he wanted to first get it working, and then go >> back and work to incorporate better security such as you have >> indicated. Thanks for working to move this along with other doc folks >> in implementing them. > >No, you are right, It is the right way to do it, and then progress to the >other ways. > >No problems with the docs. By the way, I have seen the HTML version on >his >site, is David's mostly original? Does he have the OO version of it? > >It's just it has all the references and conclusion/intro etc, to make it >a >complete document. > >> >> Comments: >> Re 1. In that case why is bdb not the default in slapd.conf as provided >> by the FC2 openldap-servers rpm? >> I suspect that David simply used what >> was there, not changing the backend. I'm not trying to disagree - just >> to point out that if this is now the standing recommendation then in >> addition to changing the how-to it should be changed in the slapd.conf >> provided by the rpm. > >I totally agree and will start voicing this in the fedora-devel list. > >> >> Re 2. Definitely, although the issue is actually whether ldap directory >> users have query or update access to other users' hashed passwords. The >> over the wire comment relates to the TLS recommendation. > >Agreed, but with no access controls what so ever, then anyone can query >them, >not just the rootdn. > >> >> Re 3. Definitely. > >:-) > >> >> Other points: >> 5. The smbldap-tools provided by the FC2 samba rpm under >> /usr/share/samba-n.n.n/LDAP/smbldap-tools are out of date. They should >> either be brought current, or removed and placed in a separate >> smbldap-tools rpm _included_ in FC2 distro with a pre-requisite of the >> perl-LDAP rpm, which in turn requires other perl- rpms. I believe this >> change would avoid the need for any of the CPAN steps, and allow >> installing the smbldap-tools from the FC2 distro. > >Agreed, I think this is due for a massive upgrade. > >> >> 6. The how-to should include using slappasswd to create a good password >> hash for inclusion within slapd.conf in lieu of the default password. > >Definitely. > >> >> 7. Yum would work just as well as apt. Perhaps alternative commands for >> updating and installing rpms either way would make the how-to equally as >> friendly to people who prefer yum. > >Good point. > >> >> I hope the community does remedy all those points to give this very >> useful document a more robust treatment of security, and make FC2 a >> little less complex to implement samba/ldap on. >> > >It is complicated, but shouldn't be as RPMs are used, if that makes any >sense >to a Gentoo user say ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 16 23:07:57 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:07:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <40D0AC0A.7050203@gwi.net> References: < > <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <40D0AC0A.7050203@gwi.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Comments: >Re 1. In that case why is bdb not the default in slapd.conf as provided >by the FC2 openldap-servers rpm? I suspect that David simply used what >was there, not changing the backend. I'm not trying to disagree - just >to point out that if this is now the standing recommendation then in >addition to changing the how-to it should be changed in the slapd.conf >provided by the rpm. I simply used what was there...I did think about changing to bdb, but decided I was having enough trouble as it was. The smbldap folks from idealx...continue to use lbdm > > >Re 2. Definitely, although the issue is actually whether ldap directory >users have query or update access to other users' hashed passwords. The >over the wire comment relates to the TLS recommendation. Yes...remember...I tried to keep it simple to simply get it working > > >Re 3. Definitely. > >Other points: >5. The smbldap-tools provided by the FC2 samba rpm under >/usr/share/samba-n.n.n/LDAP/smbldap-tools are out of date. They should >either be brought current, or removed and placed in a separate >smbldap-tools rpm _included_ in FC2 distro with a pre-requisite of the >perl-LDAP rpm, which in turn requires other perl- rpms. I believe this >change would avoid the need for any of the CPAN steps, and allow >installing the smbldap-tools from the FC2 distro. The smbldap-tools in Samba 3.03 are out of date....the new tools from idealx are MUCH easier to use and I detail those in the how-to. The CPAN stuff and apt stuff in the how-to was simply to get people to be able to bring their systems current....especially if they plan to use the idealx webmin component....it could have been left out and probably wouldn't matter, but I wanted folks to plan ahead a little. > > >6. The how-to should include using slappasswd to create a good password >hash for inclusion within slapd.conf in lieu of the default password. I agree.... > > >7. Yum would work just as well as apt. Perhaps alternative commands for >updating and installing rpms either way would make the how-to equally as >friendly to people who prefer yum. I agree again...I chose apt basically because of synaptic....yum has yet to come up with a GUI that I'm aware of...again..trying to keep it simple for all..even relative newbies. > > >I hope the community does remedy all those points to give this very >useful document a more robust treatment of security, and make FC2 a >little less complex to implement samba/ldap on. Definitely...I'm by no means an expert...I'm driven by a need to tie my Windoze and LTSP users together...hence Samba/LDAP....please...pitch in...feel free to rewrite the doc and please let me know if you do so I can try it :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 16 23:10:44 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:10:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] scripts/scripting Message-ID: <004001c453f7$26a52080$1803010a@paasda.org> yum update finally finished after about 6 complaints about funky headers and having to re-run 'yum update' 6 times!! No more annoying red flashy thing on the taskbar! But...once again it hosed the gdm-conf and Xaccess and an xdm file...thus granting me the Grey X-windows screen with the big X cursor ; ( So...I am wanting a script that "rotates" these files for me, one that copies these config files to a backup dir, then runs 'yum update' and after the update, I can copy them back overwriting the freshly hosed files. Anyone out there have a script like this by chance? Or something similar that I can learn from and hack into doing what I want? --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ybjones at one.net Thu Jun 17 00:54:18 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:54:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040617004824.HSOO4281.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> > Thanks to all for the information. I think Squirrel > mail is working now, (maybe, still in a test environment). > Which brings me to my next question; Is there a way to see if > clamav is actually getting the updates??????? Are you running freshclam and specifying a log file? I am using Gentoo for my mail server so this may be different than what you need but here is my config file and startup script: #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# # Config file for /etc/init.d/clamd START_CLAMD=yes CLAMD_OPTS="" CLAMD_LOG="" START_FRESHCLAM=yes FRESHCLAM_OPTS="-d -c 2" FRESHCLAM_LOG="/var/log/clam-update.log" #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# #!/sbin/runscript # Copyright 1999-2004 Gentoo Technologies, Inc. # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 # $Header: /home/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/net-mail/clamav/files/clamd.rc,v 1.4 2004/03/06 03:15:17 vapier Exp $ depend() { need net } start() { if [ -f "/tmp/clamd" ]; then rm -f /tmp/clamd fi if [ -n "${CLAMD_LOG}" -a ! -f "${CLAMD_LOG}" ]; then touch "${CLAMD_LOG}" chown clamav:clamav "${CLAMD_LOG}" fi ebegin "Starting clamd" start-stop-daemon --start --quiet \ --exec /usr/sbin/clamd -- ${CLAMD_OPTS} eend $? "Failed to start clamd" if [ -n "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" -a ! -f "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" ]; then touch "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" chown clamav:clamav "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" FRESHCLAM_OPTS="${FRESHCLAM_OPTS} -l ${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" fi ebegin "Starting freshclam" start-stop-daemon --start --quiet \ --exec /usr/bin/freshclam -- -d -l ${FRESHCLAM_LOG} eend $? "Failed to start freshclam" } stop() { ebegin "Stopping clamd" start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --name clamd eend $? "Failed to stop clamd" ebegin "Stopping freshclam" start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --name freshclam eend $? "Failed to stop freshclam" } #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# I can then chack the log file in /var/log/clamd which looks like this: Tue Jun 15 13:15:06 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database status OK. Tue Jun 15 16:17:16 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database modification detected. Forcing reload. Tue Jun 15 16:17:16 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav Tue Jun 15 16:17:17 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21966 viruses) Wed Jun 16 03:23:13 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database status OK. Wed Jun 16 03:23:13 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav Wed Jun 16 03:23:14 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21966 viruses) Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database modification detected. Forcing reload. Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21972 viruses) -Yancey From ybjones at one.net Thu Jun 17 00:57:23 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:57:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040617005130.HVUE4281.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> > When I do "show tables" the result is "Empty set (00.0 > sec)" and when you say run these commands I don't understand, > is it all one line? How is each line seperated? What is the > syntax for this command? I've trier everything I > know, I'm sure its simple, but not if you don't know how.... Please > explain.... You may want to have a look at http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/ Might make dealing with MySQL a little easier. -Yancey From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jun 17 01:08:14 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:08:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on Sparc In-Reply-To: <40D05309.4090107@netscape.net> References: <40D05309.4090107@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40D0EEFE.9050300@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Norbert, Personally, I'd advise against making LTSP servers out of those SPARC workstations unless they're very beefy w/ lots of DRAM. I have an Ultra 5 here at home, and those boxes topped out at 512MB DRAM and 440MHz CPUs--not LTSP server material, unfortunately, unless you have one client. :-) An example of good LTSP server hardware from Sun might be a Sun Blade 2000 or 2500 machine w/ two 1-1.28GHz CPUs and 4GB DRAM. Mind you that if you do want to do this, you're looking at about $10,500. For that much money, though, you could build five dual-Athlon systems, each with 4GB DRAM and *fiber* Gig-E. Heck, you could build three dual-Opteron boxes for that much and go 64-bit. Even if you go with a Sun Fire V210, a 1U rack-mount server box, with similar specs as the above, you're looking at about $7000. Remember also that with Sun boxes, especially the newer ones, you'd have to deal with making sure that GNU/Linux for the SPARC64 will actually play nicely with all that proprietary hardware. On the other hand, LTSP *clients* have been made out of SPARC and UltraSPARC boxes, and I've heard that they work pretty well (I myself haven't yet tried it). --TP norbert wrote: > Hi, > > There was a post for a "Step-by-step Howto" install and setup LTSP on > Sparc (Solaris), does anyone still have a working link to it ? > Our school has a number of Sparc workstations and Ultrasparc that I > would like to turn into LTSP servers, does anyone have a working > system(s) and could we get some feedback? > > Thank you > > norbert From norm at turing.une.edu.au Thu Jun 17 01:58:37 2004 From: norm at turing.une.edu.au (Norman Gaywood) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:58:37 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <20040617015837.GA11902@turing.une.edu.au> On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 08:21:30PM +0100, Gavin Henry wrote: > 1. The backend ldap should be bdb not ldbm (discussed very indepth on the > OpenLDAP lists). Do you have a reference to the openldap archives for this? I'm interested to know the advantages of bdb. Cheers. -- Norman Gaywood, Systems Administrator School of Mathematics, Statistics and Computer Science University of New England, Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia norm at turing.une.edu.au Phone: +61 (0)2 6773 2412 http://turing.une.edu.au/~norm Fax: +61 (0)2 6773 3312 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Jun 17 02:30:22 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:30:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on Sparc In-Reply-To: <40D0EEFE.9050300@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40D05309.4090107@netscape.net> <40D0EEFE.9050300@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40D1023E.1010901@netscape.net> Hi Terrell, Thanks for the info, maybe I'll turn them into client machines !! ;-) ... OK so now how do I deal with the ARP / RARP issue ? Norbert microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > Hello Norbert, > > Personally, I'd advise against making LTSP servers out of those SPARC > workstations unless they're very beefy w/ lots of DRAM. I have an > Ultra 5 here at home, and those boxes topped out at 512MB DRAM and > 440MHz CPUs--not LTSP server material, unfortunately, unless you have > one client. :-) > > An example of good LTSP server hardware from Sun might be a Sun Blade > 2000 or 2500 machine w/ two 1-1.28GHz CPUs and 4GB DRAM. Mind you > that if you do want to do this, you're looking at about $10,500. For > that much money, though, you could build five dual-Athlon systems, > each with 4GB DRAM and *fiber* Gig-E. Heck, you could build three > dual-Opteron boxes for that much and go 64-bit. Even if you go with a > Sun Fire V210, a 1U rack-mount server box, with similar specs as the > above, you're looking at about $7000. Remember also that with Sun > boxes, especially the newer ones, you'd have to deal with making sure > that GNU/Linux for the SPARC64 will actually play nicely with all that > proprietary hardware. > > On the other hand, LTSP *clients* have been made out of SPARC and > UltraSPARC boxes, and I've heard that they work pretty well (I myself > haven't yet tried it). > > --TP > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> There was a post for a "Step-by-step Howto" install and setup LTSP on >> Sparc (Solaris), does anyone still have a working link to it ? >> Our school has a number of Sparc workstations and Ultrasparc that I >> would like to turn into LTSP servers, does anyone have a working >> system(s) and could we get some feedback? >> >> Thank you >> >> norbert > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Thu Jun 17 06:21:04 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:21:04 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format References: <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com><40D0AC0A.7050203@gwi.net> <200406162210.23474.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <006c01c45433$453f0600$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Sorry David, but I have tried and followed the document to the letter and when I try to populate the database using smbldap-populate it keeps failing to write the information (Domain Admins, users, Administrator etc all of them actually) and keeps telling me that I have invalid credentials. I have tried it twice on FC2 and then tried on Suse 9.1 and get the same error. Is there some step I am missing that is missing in your documentation. Kind Regards From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Thu Jun 17 09:11:42 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:11:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <20040617015837.GA11902@turing.une.edu.au> References: <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <20040617015837.GA11902@turing.une.edu.au> Message-ID: <200406171011.43873.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 17 Jun 2004 02:58, Norman Gaywood wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 08:21:30PM +0100, Gavin Henry wrote: > > 1. The backend ldap should be bdb not ldbm (discussed very indepth on the > > OpenLDAP lists). > > Do you have a reference to the openldap archives for this? I'm > interested to know the advantages of bdb. > > Cheers. I will did it out. - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA0WBOeWseh9tzvqgRAkYtAJ4r40b+9jGexc0VSYUAnc+K4ztE8gCeN/o6 KV4jorNcB60IXkvnkkpj+KM= =mn3c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Jun 17 12:21:54 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:21:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tape backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D18CE2.40202@msln.net> Excellent primer Les, Thanks Mark Les Bell wrote: >http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/web/Backup+and+Restore?OpenDocument > >Best, > >--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP >[http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Thu Jun 17 12:31:38 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:31:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird GNOME stuff Message-ID: <40D18F2A.4090206@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi K12-List We've had two servers running K12 4.0.0 giving the same problem. What happens is, users log in, and some windows come up with crosses and weird stuff, but there's no text, so the error message can't be read. What can I change/do to fix/prevent this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jonathan -- Jonathan Carter Ph (021) 970 1230 | Fax: (021) 970 1231 http://www.tsf.org.za/oscp http://www.go-opensource.org.za "The future is open, are you?" From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 17 14:24:34 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:24:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients Message-ID: <40D1A9A2.1050905@inlandlakes.org> All, but directly to Eric as well, who gave me the "off the cuff" attempt at getting sound to work on a mac thick client: Ok, the command "esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 &" works great. The computer tells me it's accepting connections on that port. Upon connecting to the server via X -query, however, I get no sound when doing an "esdplay file.wav" -- I get no errors, but no sound as well. So, I have tried to figure out how the X session tells esd to send sound far away. I found on a working *actual* thin client, typing "env" shows one of the settings "LTSP_SOUND=Y" -- so I tried to export that variable. Still no dice. I tried to send the sound to the server with esdplay too, using: esdplay -s 192.168.0.250 file.wav (.250 is the "thick" client's address) and I still get no sound. Is port 16001 the default port? I don't think that running X -query ever polls the lts.conf file, so setting the SOUND_DAEMON = esd there I dont' think will help. I'm in over my head, does anyone have any suggestions? esd is working perfectly on the mac, and I can play sounds locally. I am so darn close. :) Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Jun 17 14:47:23 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:47:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <20040617004824.HSOO4281.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: This is altogether different than mine. The only reference I have found to "clamav", is within Mail Scanner and nothing about a log file..... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Yancey B. Jones Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:54 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial > Thanks to all for the information. I think Squirrel > mail is working now, (maybe, still in a test environment). > Which brings me to my next question; Is there a way to see if > clamav is actually getting the updates??????? Are you running freshclam and specifying a log file? I am using Gentoo for my mail server so this may be different than what you need but here is my config file and startup script: #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# # Config file for /etc/init.d/clamd START_CLAMD=yes CLAMD_OPTS="" CLAMD_LOG="" START_FRESHCLAM=yes FRESHCLAM_OPTS="-d -c 2" FRESHCLAM_LOG="/var/log/clam-update.log" #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# #!/sbin/runscript # Copyright 1999-2004 Gentoo Technologies, Inc. # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 # $Header: /home/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/net-mail/clamav/files/clamd.rc,v 1.4 2004/03/06 03:15:17 vapier Exp $ depend() { need net } start() { if [ -f "/tmp/clamd" ]; then rm -f /tmp/clamd fi if [ -n "${CLAMD_LOG}" -a ! -f "${CLAMD_LOG}" ]; then touch "${CLAMD_LOG}" chown clamav:clamav "${CLAMD_LOG}" fi ebegin "Starting clamd" start-stop-daemon --start --quiet \ --exec /usr/sbin/clamd -- ${CLAMD_OPTS} eend $? "Failed to start clamd" if [ -n "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" -a ! -f "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" ]; then touch "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" chown clamav:clamav "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" FRESHCLAM_OPTS="${FRESHCLAM_OPTS} -l ${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" fi ebegin "Starting freshclam" start-stop-daemon --start --quiet \ --exec /usr/bin/freshclam -- -d -l ${FRESHCLAM_LOG} eend $? "Failed to start freshclam" } stop() { ebegin "Stopping clamd" start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --name clamd eend $? "Failed to stop clamd" ebegin "Stopping freshclam" start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --name freshclam eend $? "Failed to stop freshclam" } #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# I can then chack the log file in /var/log/clamd which looks like this: Tue Jun 15 13:15:06 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database status OK. Tue Jun 15 16:17:16 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database modification detected. Forcing reload. Tue Jun 15 16:17:16 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav Tue Jun 15 16:17:17 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21966 viruses) Wed Jun 16 03:23:13 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database status OK. Wed Jun 16 03:23:13 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav Wed Jun 16 03:23:14 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21966 viruses) Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database modification detected. Forcing reload. Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21972 viruses) -Yancey _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 From lewis at pcc.com Thu Jun 17 15:16:12 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:16:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird GNOME stuff In-Reply-To: <40D18F2A.4090206@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <40D18F2A.4090206@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <44BAFD91-C071-11D8-8E19-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Johnathan, At last I can give some input. Though I will also state I may be wrong. This has happened to me several times and each time it is a result of file permissions being incorrect. Not knowing what the windows in questions do I can't solve your problem. But I can suggest a test. Add a new directory in your home folder "mkdir test", you should now be able to see the folder. Now log in as root and change ownership of the folder to be owned by root "chown root /home/yourfolder/test". Log back in as yourself. Does the folder have the wierd icon now? If so change the ownership back. As root "chown yourlogin /home/yourhome/test" If that was the problem, it's time to go see who owns the folder that are giving you problems. Lewis On Jun 17, 2004, at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi K12-List > > We've had two servers running K12 4.0.0 giving the same problem. What > happens is, users log in, and some windows come up with crosses and > weird stuff, but there's no text, so the error message can't be read. > > What can I change/do to fix/prevent this? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Jonathan > > -- > Jonathan Carter > Ph (021) 970 1230 | Fax: (021) 970 1231 > http://www.tsf.org.za/oscp > http://www.go-opensource.org.za > "The future is open, are you?" > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------- Lewis Holcroft System Administrator Physician's Computer Company 1 Main Street, Suite 7 Winooski, VT 05404 www.pcc.com From lewis at pcc.com Thu Jun 17 15:24:29 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:24:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS and /home Message-ID: <6CCC84DC-C072-11D8-8E19-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Hello, I am having an interesting problem. I have an NIS server running on an old RedHat 6.2 server. I am running ypbind on two LTSP 4.0.1 servers. I am using rsync to create the /home/user files on the LTSP servers. I would use NFS if I had a bandwidth to handle that option, but I do not. Also I don't expect users to be changing a great deal. I am able to log onto the LTSP server without a problem. Other users can not. I have in the past used X on the 6.2 machine and I did get a message the first time I logged onto the LTSP box that told me my old setting had been updated. None of the other users have done this. I am quite sure the problem is that the appropriate .gconf directories don't exist. So the question is. How can I create the necessary directories easily? Also, Am I barking up the wrong tree? If so where should I be looking? Thanks Lewis ---------- Lewis Holcroft System Administrator Physician's Computer Company 1 Main Street, Suite 7 Winooski, VT 05404 www.pcc.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 17 15:32:35 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:32:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40D1A9A2.1050905@inlandlakes.org> References: <40D1A9A2.1050905@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40D1B993.3050207@inlandlakes.org> woo hoo! The key was, in Eric's advice the command to put in the inittab was: esd:5:once:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 and it needed to be: esd:5:once:/usr/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -public so that others can connect. No environment variable manipulation required. weeee! directly after that is where the X -query command goes. I'll try to wiki this today, since it's working well. Truly amazing. Thank you to everyone involved with LTSP, it's amazing how nice these old 5500s are as thick clients! They have: 800x600 resolution 16 bit color integrated *working* speakers Pretty cool for the "junk" we have as an ex-mac school... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From mross at esd165.org Thu Jun 17 15:52:38 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:52:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40D1B993.3050207@inlandlakes.org> References: <40D1A9A2.1050905@inlandlakes.org> <40D1B993.3050207@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40D1BE46.7000201@esd165.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > woo hoo! [SNIP] > > 800x600 resolution > 16 bit color > integrated *working* speakers > > > Pretty cool for the "junk" we have as an ex-mac school... > > -Shawn > > Cool. Just curious, what kind of Mac hardware are you using? --Matt From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jun 17 15:59:04 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:59:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40D1B993.3050207@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000201c45484$06c77e10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > The key was, in Eric's advice the command to put in the inittab was: > > esd:5:once:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 > > and it needed to be: > > esd:5:once:/usr/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -public I was hoping someone would figure this out. I just didn't know enough to get it to work. I only tried this on a iMac but never thought of a 5500. I will give this a shot this week. Thanks for the extra effort, this will be awesome. From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Thu Jun 17 16:04:39 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:04:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird GNOME stuff In-Reply-To: <44BAFD91-C071-11D8-8E19-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <40D18F2A.4090206@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <44BAFD91-C071-11D8-8E19-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <40D1C117.8080305@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Johnathan, > > At last I can give some input. Though I will also state I may be wrong. > > This has happened to me several times and each time it is a result of > file permissions being incorrect. Not knowing what the windows in > questions do I can't solve your problem. But I can suggest a test. > > Add a new directory in your home folder "mkdir test", you should now > be able to see the folder. Now log in as root and change ownership of > the folder to be owned by root "chown root /home/yourfolder/test". Log > back in as yourself. Does the folder have the wierd icon now? If so > change the ownership back. As root "chown yourlogin /home/yourhome/test" > > If that was the problem, it's time to go see who owns the folder that > are giving you problems. > > Lewis Nope, it does not seem to be a permissions problem. It even does it to new users. Although, root can log in perfectly, so perhaps it could be a permissions problem of some kind... Thanks anyway -Jonathan From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 17 16:54:59 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:54:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] scripts/scripting In-Reply-To: <004001c453f7$26a52080$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <004001c453f7$26a52080$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1087491299.29371.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 18:10, Huck wrote: > > So...I am wanting a script that "rotates" these files for me, one that > copies these config files to a backup dir, then runs 'yum update' > and after the update, I can copy them back overwriting the freshly > hosed files. > > Anyone out there have a script like this by chance? Or something > similar that I can learn from and hack into doing what I want? The 'generic' solution to wanting old files back is to set up backuppc (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/) to run on another PC with a big hard drive. Then you can pick files from any day in the last week through it's web interface or restore them back to the original location. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 17 16:58:21 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:58:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40D1BE46.7000201@esd165.org> References: <40D1A9A2.1050905@inlandlakes.org> <40D1B993.3050207@inlandlakes.org> <40D1BE46.7000201@esd165.org> Message-ID: <40D1CDAD.30306@inlandlakes.org> Matthew Ross wrote: > Cool. Just curious, what kind of Mac hardware are you using? Powermac 5500 with 32MB ram, and the 10mbit nic. Now that it "just works" I'll try to wiki it all later. (It will have to be after 6PM though... and I've never gotten the wiki to work for me, so wish me luck. :) ) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From tim at litwiller.net Thu Jun 17 17:01:22 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:01:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] scripts/scripting In-Reply-To: <004001c453f7$26a52080$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <004001c453f7$26a52080$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40D1CE62.4050601@litwiller.net> Huck wrote: > yum update finally finished after about 6 complaints about funky > headers and having to re-run 'yum update' 6 times!! > No more annoying red flashy thing on the taskbar! > > But...once again it hosed the gdm-conf and Xaccess and an xdm > file...thus granting me the Grey X-windows screen with the big X > cursor ; ( > > So...I am wanting a script that "rotates" these files for me, one that > copies these config files to a backup dir, then runs 'yum update' > and after the update, I can copy them back overwriting the freshly > hosed files. here is one way - make a file that has the full path of all the config files you want to save nano /root/config_backup_list /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf then make the script file #!/bin/sh # echo "backing up config files" # make backup of config files tar -czvf /root/config_backup.tar.gz --files-from=/root/config_backup_list echo " running update procedure" # put yum or apt-get automatated update command here - # yum commands yum -y update # apt-get commands # apt-get update # apt-get -y upgrade # restore config files echo "restoring config files" tar -zxvf /root/config_backup.tar.gz --files-from=/root/config_backup_list > > Anyone out there have a script like this by chance? Or something > similar that I can learn from and hack into doing what I want? > > --Huck > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Thu Jun 17 15:14:49 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:14:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] slightly OT Time clock system for schools Message-ID: <844163372.1087470889@[10.2.60.5]> Greetings, I am in charge of finding a time clock / attendance system for the school district. 10 locations. Suggestions ? I would love a linux based system with a Tk/Perl/Open RDM or lesstif technology. Most products I have found are MS based systems. Your thoughts please.... The current favorite is Time Clock Plus which is a networkable MS windows / dBase 4/5 system. The client side looks pretty low end -- Pentium I & windows 95. I am thinking wine and LTSP. $2146 for 250 employees one time cost. I have hardware. I want to distribute a client via LTSP. There is an SLQ based system also that use MSDE SQL also at about $6000. What time clock system does your school use ? Should I put the crack pipe down ? Thanks for your time, Tom Ventresco Austintown Local Schools From williamm at timbercon.com Thu Jun 17 17:47:50 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William J McCloskey) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:47:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] slightly OT Time clock system for schools In-Reply-To: <844163372.1087470889@[10.2.60.5]> Message-ID: <200406171045885.SM01280@GYRO> At my current work we use a software called Hourtrack. I don't have any info on it, though it runs great through wine when I'm booted into fedora core 1 on my management desktop. You might be able to find some Web Based technologies for this that would work just fine or for $3k you could probably hire a web developer (I'm available :-P) to develop a web app custom tailored to your needs and have it designed around FireFox. That way you retain windows and Linux compatibility and you don't alienate any Mac users while your at it. William McCloskey -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:15 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] slightly OT Time clock system for schools Greetings, I am in charge of finding a time clock / attendance system for the school district. 10 locations. Suggestions ? I would love a linux based system with a Tk/Perl/Open RDM or lesstif technology. Most products I have found are MS based systems. Your thoughts please.... The current favorite is Time Clock Plus which is a networkable MS windows / dBase 4/5 system. The client side looks pretty low end -- Pentium I & windows 95. I am thinking wine and LTSP. $2146 for 250 employees one time cost. I have hardware. I want to distribute a client via LTSP. There is an SLQ based system also that use MSDE SQL also at about $6000. What time clock system does your school use ? Should I put the crack pipe down ? Thanks for your time, Tom Ventresco Austintown Local Schools _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lewis at pcc.com Thu Jun 17 17:50:05 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:50:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS and /home In-Reply-To: <6CCC84DC-C072-11D8-8E19-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <6CCC84DC-C072-11D8-8E19-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: Problem solved. I guess .gtkrc is kinda important. ;) I need a nap. Lewis On Jun 17, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Hello, > > I am having an interesting problem. I have an NIS server running on an > old RedHat 6.2 server. I am running ypbind on two LTSP 4.0.1 servers. > I am using rsync to create the /home/user files on the LTSP servers. I > would use NFS if I had a bandwidth to handle that option, but I do > not. Also I don't expect users to be changing a great deal. > > I am able to log onto the LTSP server without a problem. Other users > can not. I have in the past used X on the 6.2 machine and I did get a > message the first time I logged onto the LTSP box that told me my old > setting had been updated. > > None of the other users have done this. I am quite sure the problem is > that the appropriate .gconf directories don't exist. > > So the question is. How can I create the necessary directories easily? > Also, Am I barking up the wrong tree? If so where should I be looking? > > Thanks > > Lewis > ---------- > Lewis Holcroft > System Administrator > Physician's Computer Company > 1 Main Street, Suite 7 > Winooski, VT 05404 > www.pcc.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 17 17:58:14 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:58:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Sound Question Message-ID: <40D1DBB6.6050804@inlandlakes.org> Now that network sound is working great for me (good day!) I'm curious if there is anyway to have the gnome "volume control" actually do that on thin clients. If I change permissions on /dev/mixer so that any user can control it -- it allows me to adjust volume, but I think only the volume for the server's soundcard. XMMS does have volume control, but I'm curious how to get the standard mixer functions... Is it possible? Anyone know? Thanks YET again, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Thu Jun 10 20:56:08 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] What may have changed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33712.10.20.1.133.1086900968.squirrel@postoffice> Make sure your server is running X or in "graphical" mode, run level 5. Michael > Hi all, > > Yesterday I had a perfectly functioning LTSP server. Today my thin > clients hang when trying to start X. They get as far as the grey screen > and the X cursor for the mouse, but I never get the login. I am using a > standard LTSP server except dhcpd is disabled as I already have a dhcp > server on the network. As a result it has been necessary to update the > following files to match the 10.0.0.0 IP scheme currently used. > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit > /etc/exports > > the dhcpd.conf file has not been changed since yesterday. > > but I did run yum update this afternoon to bring things up to date. Any > guidance would be great. > > Thanks > > Lewis > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Thu Jun 17 18:53:43 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:53:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What may have changed? In-Reply-To: <33712.10.20.1.133.1086900968.squirrel@postoffice> References: <33712.10.20.1.133.1086900968.squirrel@postoffice> Message-ID: <40D1E8B7.5020703@haywood.k12.nc.us> Please disreguard, updating my mail server and flushed the queue. ;-) >Make sure your server is running X or in "graphical" mode, run level 5. > >Michael > > >>Hi all, >> >>Yesterday I had a perfectly functioning LTSP server. Today my thin >>clients hang when trying to start X. They get as far as the grey screen >>and the X cursor for the mouse, but I never get the login. I am using a >>standard LTSP server except dhcpd is disabled as I already have a dhcp >>server on the network. As a result it has been necessary to update the >>following files to match the 10.0.0.0 IP scheme currently used. >> >>/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf >>/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit >>/etc/exports >> >>the dhcpd.conf file has not been changed since yesterday. >> >>but I did run yum update this afternoon to bring things up to date. Any >>guidance would be great. >> >>Thanks >> >>Lewis >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > > > From webmaster at vol.org Thu Jun 17 19:36:38 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:36:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NECC Message-ID: <1087500997.14179.29.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Is anyone here attending NECC in New Orleans this month? I live in New Orleans and will be attending, so maybe I'll see some of you there. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From jritchie at bible.edu Thu Jun 17 20:04:25 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:04:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <006c01c45433$453f0600$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com><40D0AC0A.7050203@gwi.net> <200406162210.23474.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <006c01c45433$453f0600$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <1087502664.24697.45.camel@penguin> On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 02:21, John Simovic wrote: > Sorry David, but I have tried and followed the document to the letter and > when I try to populate the database using smbldap-populate it keeps failing > to write the information (Domain Admins, users, Administrator etc all of > them actually) and keeps telling me that I have invalid credentials. I have > tried it twice on FC2 and then tried on Suse 9.1 and get the same error. Is > there some step I am missing that is missing in your documentation. Three things I've heard causing this. First, I had cn=Manager,dc=domain,dc=com and was trying to bind to cn=root,dc=domain,dc=com. Check your slapd.conf file for the correct rootdn. Second, the password was just plain wrong. Third, you can't have a domain of the type dc=wiki.sub,dc=domain.com It must be dc=wiki,dc=sub,dc=domain,dc=com or it won't work. Otherwise, post your slapd.conf/command-line and maybe someone here can help you out. JSR/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 17 21:47:02 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:47:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NECC In-Reply-To: <1087500997.14179.29.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <1087500997.14179.29.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <1087508822.29452.31.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 12:36, george kocke wrote: > Is anyone here attending NECC in New Orleans this month? > > I live in New Orleans and will be attending, so maybe I'll see some of > you there. Paul Nelson and I will both be there. We're running an email garden & a mobile lab w/demos. Both running K12LTSP, of course ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:36:21 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <1087509802.2072.19.camel@big.ox.com> References: <1087509802.2072.19.camel@big.ox.com> Message-ID: <40D21CE5.3030304@hosef.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jim phillips wrote: | Hi all, | | We are server shopping for a small school. | | Looking at a system from Ironsystems. M1520 with a rioworks HDAMA mobo, | dual opteron, 4GB RAM. | | Any input from those who know? | | We will have 15 to 30 clients. | | thanks | | jim We suggest this as a baseline for a 20+ lab. Ram and additional CPU power should be purchased according to your projected application use. We use software raid for the system drives, and we use hardware raid for the backup/data drives. The drives are in removable racks to permit easy removal in time of disaster or for repair. http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=805266 For schools here in Hawaii not afraid to DIY, we suggest that they order the above components and we help them to assemble it. If buying from a vendor, it enables them to better understand the cost of hardware and the value that integrators provide. - --scott - -- R. Scott Belford Founder/PR Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 scott at hosef.org 808.689.6518 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA0hzkFvOrZTnwXscRAofnAJ9qWH8pg3IUje9EugO2sMTDl28tcQCgtgzi mpKpRLZ68fk+QtwrrY+krRk= =it+q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jun 18 00:54:57 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:54:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <006c01c45433$453f0600$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <40D0AC0A.7050203@gwi.net> <, > <200406162210.23474.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <,> <006c01c45433$453f0600$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: Couple of things so I can help....are you using the config files in the how-to (actually copy and paste) and simply changing dc=vcs,dc=com to your own? Or are you doing more? Have you checked the part where it says Manager and make sure it does say Manager and not root? "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Sorry David, but I have tried and followed the document to the letter and >when I try to populate the database using smbldap-populate it keeps >failing >to write the information (Domain Admins, users, Administrator etc all of >them actually) and keeps telling me that I have invalid credentials. I >have >tried it twice on FC2 and then tried on Suse 9.1 and get the same error. >Is >there some step I am missing that is missing in your documentation. > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jun 18 00:52:14 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:52:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 1st try samba/ldap = (missing perl Net::LDAP and perl Net::LDAP::LDIF) In-Reply-To: <20040617184839.D1CA1744D7@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040617184839.D1CA1744D7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087519933.27400.22.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Hello, Trying out the SMB/LDAP Following the instructions closely but installation of smbldap-tools fails with: perl Net::LDAP is needed by smbldap-tools perl Net::LDAP::LDIF is needed by smbldap-tools Yet when I check with cpan it shows they are installed. I've googled the heck out of this and have found vague references but nothing that helped. Only thing I can think of is the perl modules are a newer version than what is expected by smbldap-tools-0.8.4-1 any ideas? -john From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jun 18 02:07:38 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:07:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <1087509802.2072.19.camel@big.ox.com> References: <1087509802.2072.19.camel@big.ox.com> Message-ID: <40D24E6A.1070906@cmosnetworks.com> For 15-30 clients, that ought to do it nicely. My dual-Athlon w/ 4GB DRAM works fine for 25, with room to spare. You'll get some folks suggesting to go with at least SCSI, preferably SCSI RAID 5, and they'll be right, assuming that your budget allows for it (mine didn't). I happen to use an 80GB IDE disk, and in my case, things are hummin' right along very nicely. But the SCSI advice is good advice, especially if you'll be doing anything disk-intensive. Were I you, I'd ensure that any NICs built into that motherboard, if there are any, are in fact compatible with the *stock* Linus Torvalds Linux kernel from www.kernel.org, without any additional third-party drivers or other additions. Making sure that this is the case will make things much easier on you, trust me. The way I test this is to try installing a minimal Slackware system, since Slackware, with the sole exception of v9.0 (one stability kernel patch was added back then), does in fact use an unmodified Torvalds kernel. --TP jim phillips wrote: >Hi all, > >We are server shopping for a small school. > >Looking at a system from Ironsystems. M1520 with a rioworks HDAMA mobo, >dual opteron, 4GB RAM. > >Any input from those who know? > >We will have 15 to 30 clients. > >thanks > >jim > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From ybjones at one.net Fri Jun 18 03:27:58 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:27:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040618032255.RBJP24910.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> > This is altogether different than mine. The only > reference I have found to "clamav", is within Mail Scanner > and nothing about a log file..... What are you running to get your clamav virus def updates? I run freshclam in daemon mode and you can specify the log file as part of the command. -Yancey From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Fri Jun 18 05:21:16 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:21:16 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format References: <200406162021.32335.ghenry@suretecsystems.com><40D0AC0A.7050203@gwi.net><200406162210.23474.ghenry@suretecsystems.com><006c01c45433$453f0600$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> <1087502664.24697.45.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <003e01c454f4$15ca2820$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Found the answer. In your smb.conf I found no mention of the option ldap suffix = dc=zbc,dc=xyz which git it going straight away. Thanks a lot for the great doco! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josiah Ritchie" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format > On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 02:21, John Simovic wrote: > > Sorry David, but I have tried and followed the document to the letter and > > when I try to populate the database using smbldap-populate it keeps failing > > to write the information (Domain Admins, users, Administrator etc all of > > them actually) and keeps telling me that I have invalid credentials. I have > > tried it twice on FC2 and then tried on Suse 9.1 and get the same error. Is > > there some step I am missing that is missing in your documentation. > > Three things I've heard causing this. First, I had > cn=Manager,dc=domain,dc=com and was trying to bind to > cn=root,dc=domain,dc=com. Check your slapd.conf file for the correct > rootdn. > Second, the password was just plain wrong. > Third, you can't have a domain of the type dc=wiki.sub,dc=domain.com It > must be dc=wiki,dc=sub,dc=domain,dc=com or it won't work. > > Otherwise, post your slapd.conf/command-line and maybe someone here can > help you out. > > JSR/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From k12 at qt-developer.org Fri Jun 18 06:38:02 2004 From: k12 at qt-developer.org (Rolf A. Vaglid) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:38:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 1st try samba/ldap = (missing perl Net::LDAP and perl Net::LDAP::LDIF) In-Reply-To: <1087519933.27400.22.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> References: <20040617184839.D1CA1744D7@hormel.redhat.com> <1087519933.27400.22.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Message-ID: <40D28DCA.7070107@qt-developer.org> John Baillie wrote: >Hello, > >Trying out the SMB/LDAP > >Following the instructions closely but installation of smbldap-tools >fails with: > > >perl Net::LDAP is needed by smbldap-tools >perl Net::LDAP::LDIF is needed by smbldap-tools > > >Yet when I check with cpan it shows they are installed. > >I've googled the heck out of this and have found vague references but >nothing that helped. > >Only thing I can think of is the perl modules are a newer version than >what is expected by smbldap-tools-0.8.4-1 > >any ideas? > >-john > > > > I had the same problem, it seems the CPAN-modules are registered in your RPM-database. I solved this by downloading a third party http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Net-LDAP/perl-Net-LDAP-0.2701-1.rhfc1.dag.noarch.rpm from http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Net-LDAP/ Cheers Rolf From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Jun 18 11:37:19 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:37:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 1st try samba/ldap = (missing perl Net::LDAP and perl Net::LDAP::LDIF) In-Reply-To: <40D28DCA.7070107@qt-developer.org> References: <20040617184839.D1CA1744D7@hormel.redhat.com> <1087519933.27400.22.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> <40D28DCA.7070107@qt-developer.org> Message-ID: <40D2D3EF.2010301@gwi.net> Rolf A. Vaglid wrote: > John Baillie wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Trying out the SMB/LDAP >> >> Following the instructions closely but installation of smbldap-tools >> fails with: >> >> >> perl Net::LDAP is needed by smbldap-tools >> perl Net::LDAP::LDIF is needed by smbldap-tools >> >> >> Yet when I check with cpan it shows they are installed. >> >> I've googled the heck out of this and have found vague references but >> nothing that helped. >> >> Only thing I can think of is the perl modules are a newer version than >> what is expected by smbldap-tools-0.8.4-1 >> >> any ideas? >> >> -john >> >> >> >> > I had the same problem, it seems the CPAN-modules are registered in > your RPM-database. > I solved this by downloading a third party > http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Net-LDAP/perl-Net-LDAP-0.2701-1.rhfc1.dag.noarch.rpm > > from http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Net-LDAP/ > > Cheers > Rolf Actually it's a matter of what is not registered in the RPM database. No need to go outside of FC2 distro - just install perl-LDAP rpm and its pre-requisites. The easiest way to do that if you have a speedy Internet connection is 'yum install perl-LDAP' Then to illustrate what is registered as provided by that rpm run this command (harmless): rpm -q --provides perl-LDAP Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jun 18 12:57:32 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:57:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <20040618032255.RBJP24910.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <000801c45533$d53ffc90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > What are you running to get your clamav virus def updates? I > run freshclam in daemon mode and you can specify the log file > as part of the command. With the tutorial I sent out everything is run from MailScanner, it calls on the Postfix.in and Postfix out along with SpamAssassin and ClamAV. I think it uses the MailScanner logs to track what is happening. I am extremely happy with this setup. There is also a Webmin Module for MailScanner and ClamAV to simplify things. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jun 18 13:07:43 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:07:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <40D24E6A.1070906@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000901c45535$4133adb0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > You'll get some folks suggesting to go with at least SCSI, preferably > SCSI RAID 5, and they'll be right, assuming that your budget > allows for > it (mine didn't). One thing that always seems to be left out with a RAID recommendation is the option of using an IDE RAID controller. I have seen a six channel IDE RAID controller that handles RAID 0,1,5 for $276 at Buy.com. Then you can buy 200GB IDE drives for about $200 each, add the complimenting hot swap trays for about $40 each and for about $1800 you have 1.2TB of hot swapable IDE drives in RAID 5 (probably cost you $20,000 with SCSI). Of course you could add whatever drives you wanted, say 80GB for $75, and skip the hot swap trays. But either way you have the benefit of SCSI style RAID with an IDE price. This could be just enough to help the lower budgets afford performance. Just my 2 cents worth. From dalen at czexan.net Fri Jun 18 13:11:34 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:11:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <000901c45535$4133adb0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000901c45535$4133adb0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40D2EA06.3010709@czexan.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > [SNIP] > >>You'll get some folks suggesting to go with at least SCSI, preferably >>SCSI RAID 5, and they'll be right, assuming that your budget >>allows for >>it (mine didn't). > > > One thing that always seems to be left out with a RAID recommendation is > the option of using an IDE RAID controller. I have seen a six channel > IDE RAID controller that handles RAID 0,1,5 for $276 at Buy.com. Then > you can buy 200GB IDE drives for about $200 each, add the complimenting > hot swap trays for about $40 each and for about $1800 you have 1.2TB of > hot swapable IDE drives in RAID 5 (probably cost you $20,000 with SCSI). > > > Of course you could add whatever drives you wanted, say 80GB for $75, > and skip the hot swap trays. But either way you have the benefit of > SCSI style RAID with an IDE price. This could be just enough to help > the lower budgets afford performance. > > Just my 2 cents worth. To add to Jim's suggestion, I have heard good things about 3ware raid cards. I'm not sure if this was the card seen at buy.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jun 18 13:27:30 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:27:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <40D2EA06.3010709@czexan.net> Message-ID: <000a01c45538$04882fa0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > To add to Jim's suggestion, I have heard good things about 3ware raid > cards. I'm not sure if this was the card seen at buy.com I just rechecked prices from www.buy.com to get a more accurate total for everyone. Things have changed some since last year when I checked this out but the price is still excellent. Promise SuperTrak SX6000 IDE RAID Controller http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10315373&loc=101&hdwt=30451&sp =1 $289.99 Promise SuperSwap 1000 Hot Swap Carriage http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321275&loc=101&hdwt=30411&sp =1 $72.99 each ($437.94 total for 6) Maxtor MaXLine Plus II 250 GB ATA 133 7200 RPM http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10333236&loc=101&hdwt=30401&sp =1 $207.99 each ($1,247.94 total for 6) This brings you to a grand total of $1975.87 for an internal HotSwap 7200 IDE RAID 5 solution with 1.5TB of storage space. Still very awesome compared to the price tag for a SCSI array with the same features. And the controller claims to be Linux compatible. From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Fri Jun 18 13:28:45 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:28:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <40D2EA06.3010709@czexan.net> References: <000901c45535$4133adb0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40D2EA06.3010709@czexan.net> Message-ID: <40D2EE0D.2090709@chartermi.net> Dale Sykora wrote: >> >> Of course you could add whatever drives you wanted, say 80GB for $75, >> and skip the hot swap trays. But either way you have the benefit of >> SCSI style RAID with an IDE price. This could be just enough to help >> the lower budgets afford performance. >> >> Just my 2 cents worth. > > To add to Jim's suggestion, I have heard good things about 3ware raid > cards. I'm not sure if this was the card seen at buy.com I can agree with that. I have 2 seperate file/print/nfs/web/samba servers for different districts running on 3ware 7508 parallel ata raid cards. The only problem I have is that I formatted the partitions as ext3 and there's some weird bug with 3ware cards and ext3. Lot's of continuous small read and writes slow down file transfer to about 4MB per second. If you use another journaled filesystem, XFS, ReiserFS, JFS, etc.. I've been told the slowdown is gone. I haven't had a chance to convert since it's not easy coming up with 400GB of storage to transfer partitions to and from and my worse use school district is about 180 Windows 9x/2k/XP machines using roaming profiles and during the class period change, the problem is the worst, but it's not noticeable to the users. Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools From dalen at czexan.net Fri Jun 18 13:56:32 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:56:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <40D2EE0D.2090709@chartermi.net> References: <000901c45535$4133adb0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40D2EA06.3010709@czexan.net> <40D2EE0D.2090709@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <40D2F490.4010106@czexan.net> Eric Feldhusen wrote: > I can agree with that. I have 2 seperate file/print/nfs/web/samba > servers for different districts running on 3ware 7508 parallel ata raid > cards. The only problem I have is that I formatted the partitions as > ext3 and there's some weird bug with 3ware cards and ext3. Lot's of > continuous small read and writes slow down file transfer to about 4MB > per second. If you use another journaled filesystem, XFS, ReiserFS, JFS, I recently tried a reinstall of FC1 on an xfs partition. As a side note: it appears you have to label the partition when formatting it as xfs, reiser, etc. I booted with a knoppix cd and reformated my / partition as xfs but didn't label it. Then I booted with FC1 disc 1 with linux xfs boot options and tried to install. It could see the xfs partition, but the label was greyed out. The only thing I could do to change the label was to reformat as ext3 etc. I'll try it again in the future. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jun 18 14:29:11 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: 18 Jun 2004 10:29:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 1st try samba/ldap = (missing perl Net::LDAP and perl Net::LDAP::LDIF) Message-ID: <1087568950.19356.2.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.org> Yes installing the rpms was the trick. I got it stuck in my head that this part was done and verified at the cpan prompt. At some point I'd like to know why the mods show at cpan but still had to install rpms, but as long as it works... Next Everything went smoothly through step 14. At step 15 I realized that the LDAP server not announcing it's self to the lan but had to stop for the night. (I'm sure it's just some random T not crossed or maybe an i not dotted) This is looking real good David!!! You da Man. I'll need to start looking into how to replace wins and move dhcp also. - john From mross at esd165.org Fri Jun 18 15:28:27 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:28:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <40D2EA06.3010709@czexan.net> References: <000901c45535$4133adb0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40D2EA06.3010709@czexan.net> Message-ID: <40D30A1B.6050104@esd165.org> Dale Sykora wrote: > To add to Jim's suggestion, I have heard good things about 3ware raid > cards. I'm not sure if this was the card seen at buy.com > I am currently using a 3ware 12 port SATA raid controller with linux for our backup server. This card is great, and handles hardware failure very well. I must admit that the software it comes with for linux (called 3dm) is very useful, as it's a web-based raid administration. I can remove and and drives from home if I needed to. I must complain about the installer that came with the software, as it doesn't install the program correctly. None the less, Highly recommended. --Matt From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 18 15:28:52 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:28:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 1st try samba/ldap = (missing perl Net::LDAP and perl Net::LDAP::LDIF) In-Reply-To: <40D2D3EF.2010301@gwi.net> References: <20040617184839.D1CA1744D7@hormel.redhat.com> <1087519933.27400.22.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> <40D28DCA.7070107@qt-developer.org> <40D2D3EF.2010301@gwi.net> Message-ID: <40D30A34.4010204@maltzen.net> I'm having a similar problem getting the LDAP module in Webmin to work. When I click on the icon for LDAP management, it says the Net::LDAP Perl module is not installed. I click on the link to download and install it, and that seems to go okay--some of the optional modules fail, but the core perl::ldap succeeds. But when I try the LDAP manager in Webmin again, I get the same error. I tried to 'yum install perl-LDAP' but it said it couldn't find any such package. Petre Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Rolf A. Vaglid wrote: > >> John Baillie wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Trying out the SMB/LDAP >>> >>> Following the instructions closely but installation of smbldap-tools >>> fails with: >>> >>> >>> perl Net::LDAP is needed by smbldap-tools >>> perl Net::LDAP::LDIF is needed by smbldap-tools >>> >>> >>> Yet when I check with cpan it shows they are installed. >>> >>> I've googled the heck out of this and have found vague references but >>> nothing that helped. >>> >>> Only thing I can think of is the perl modules are a newer version than >>> what is expected by smbldap-tools-0.8.4-1 >>> >>> any ideas? >>> >>> -john >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I had the same problem, it seems the CPAN-modules are registered in >> your RPM-database. >> I solved this by downloading a third party >> http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Net-LDAP/perl-Net-LDAP-0.2701-1.rhfc1.dag.noarch.rpm >> >> from http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Net-LDAP/ >> >> Cheers >> Rolf > > > Actually it's a matter of what is not registered in the RPM database. > No need to go outside of FC2 distro - just install perl-LDAP rpm and its > pre-requisites. The easiest way to do that if you have a speedy > Internet connection is 'yum install perl-LDAP' > > Then to illustrate what is registered as provided by that rpm run this > command (harmless): > rpm -q --provides perl-LDAP > > Chris > From k12 at qt-developer.org Fri Jun 18 16:16:38 2004 From: k12 at qt-developer.org (K12LTSP-user) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:16:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 1st try samba/ldap = (missing perl Net::LDAP and perl Net::LDAP::LDIF) In-Reply-To: <40D28DCA.7070107@qt-developer.org> References: <20040617184839.D1CA1744D7@hormel.redhat.com> <1087519933.27400.22.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> <40D28DCA.7070107@qt-developer.org> Message-ID: <40D31566.4010107@qt-developer.org> Rolf A. Vaglid wrote: > John Baillie wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Trying out the SMB/LDAP >> >> Following the instructions closely but installation of smbldap-tools >> fails with: >> >> >> perl Net::LDAP is needed by smbldap-tools >> perl Net::LDAP::LDIF is needed by smbldap-tools >> >> >> Yet when I check with cpan it shows they are installed. >> >> I've googled the heck out of this and have found vague references but >> nothing that helped. >> >> Only thing I can think of is the perl modules are a newer version than >> what is expected by smbldap-tools-0.8.4-1 >> >> any ideas? >> >> -john >> >> >> >> > I had the same problem, it seems the CPAN-modules are _/not/_ > registered in your RPM-database. > I solved this by downloading a third party > http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Net-LDAP/perl-Net-LDAP-0.2701-1.rhfc1.dag.noarch.rpm > > from http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Net-LDAP/ > > Cheers > Rolf > Sorry, a slight typo, see above :) From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 18 16:28:13 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:28:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <40D2F490.4010106@czexan.net> References: <000901c45535$4133adb0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40D2EA06.3010709@czexan.net> <40D2EE0D.2090709@chartermi.net> <40D2F490.4010106@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1087576092.31921.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 08:56, Dale Sykora wrote: > I recently tried a reinstall of FC1 on an xfs partition. As a side > note: it appears you have to label the partition when formatting it as > xfs, reiser, etc. I booted with a knoppix cd and reformated my / > partition as xfs but didn't label it. Then I booted with FC1 disc 1 > with linux xfs boot options and tried to install. It could see the xfs > partition, but the label was greyed out. The only thing I could do to > change the label was to reformat as ext3 etc. I'll try it again in the > future. Maybe it would be easier to do the base install on a fairly small ext3 partition so you don't have to fight with it, then format your choice of filesystem for /home and/or /var. It is easy enough to mount the new filesystem by hand in a temporary location, copy the contents of the existing /var or /home directory onto it (cp -a) then rename the old directory, make a new empty one for the mount point, modify /etc/fstab to mount it in the right place, and reboot. I used that approach to get /var on raid1/reiserfs back before the RH installer knew how to do it. Doing it this way you can put the partition device name in fstab and you don't need a label. If you ever swap drives around among machines you'll learn to hate labels pretty quickly... --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jun 18 16:34:19 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:34:19 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] cups hangs/fails Message-ID: <061820041634.26789.40D3198B000C0413000068A522007481849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Please help! My system here has suddenly started showing a load average of 3-4 even when no one is connected. top shows lpstat (several actually) using significant cpu cycles. I can manually kill the lpstat processes, but ... what damage does this do? I am using cups (it worked flawlessly all year till now), but /etc/init.d/cups stop returns FAILED. Also, a "cups start" returns .... I [18/Jun/2004:12:29:27 -0400] LoadPPDs: No new or changed PPDs... E [18/Jun/2004:12:29:28 -0400] StartListening: Unable to bind socket - Address already in use. googling has revealed nothing. I am at a complete loss. Restarting the system (I am a windows user) doesn't fix it. I need to get the printing working, but don't know why it broke. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware 19713 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Jun 18 16:39:13 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:39:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 1st try samba/ldap = (missing perl Net::LDAP and perl Net::LDAP::LDIF) In-Reply-To: <40D30A34.4010204@maltzen.net> References: <20040617184839.D1CA1744D7@hormel.redhat.com> <1087519933.27400.22.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> <40D28DCA.7070107@qt-developer.org> <40D2D3EF.2010301@gwi.net> <40D30A34.4010204@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <40D31AB1.3060605@gwi.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > I'm having a similar problem getting the LDAP module in Webmin to > work. When I click on the icon for LDAP management, it says the > Net::LDAP Perl module is not installed. I click on the link to > download and install it, and that seems to go okay--some of the > optional modules fail, but the core perl::ldap succeeds. But when I > try the LDAP manager in Webmin again, I get the same error. I tried > to 'yum install perl-LDAP' but it said it couldn't find any such package. > > Petre Yes. My mistake, sorry. There is no perl-LDAP rpm in the default yum repository. So you can use rpm to install it and its pre-requisite packages from the FC2 isos instead. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Jun 18 16:42:00 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:42:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cups hangs/fails In-Reply-To: <061820041634.26789.40D3198B000C0413000068A522007481849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <061820041634.26789.40D3198B000C0413000068A522007481849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6BCECDBD-C146-11D8-8C8D-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sounds like some other program is using the cups port, is cups running as both a daemon and part of xinetd? I had this problem with vsftp once and that was the cause. On Jun 18, 2004, at 11:34 AM, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Please help! My system here has suddenly started showing a load > average of 3-4 even when no one is connected. top shows lpstat > (several actually) using significant cpu cycles. I can manually kill > the lpstat processes, but ... what damage does this do? I am using > cups (it worked flawlessly all year till now), but > > /etc/init.d/cups stop returns FAILED. Also, a "cups start" returns > .... > I [18/Jun/2004:12:29:27 -0400] LoadPPDs: No new or changed PPDs... > E [18/Jun/2004:12:29:28 -0400] StartListening: Unable to bind socket - > Address already in use. > > googling has revealed nothing. I am at a complete loss. Restarting > the system (I am a windows user) doesn't fix it. > > I need to get the printing working, but don't know why it broke. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > Newark Delaware 19713 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkDTG1gACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQbbwCfbpoaSVBVF/6EDJNML+uHEgAg 7eQAn0wdy8G7P/gvgYwkOj2/o3C6okiZ =66hF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jun 18 16:43:36 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:43:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 1st try samba/ldap = (missing perl Net::LDAP and perl Net::LDAP::LDIF) In-Reply-To: <20040618160038.D8EAC74AB0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040618160038.D8EAC74AB0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087577015.30424.11.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Petre, I came across the same rpms as Rolf mentioned. They installed and all is well. But I know others have installed with out using the rpms from that site. I'd rather stay within Fedora and will look into this before I move over to a production server. -john ------------ > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:28:52 -0500 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 1st try samba/ldap = (missing perl Net::LDAP and > perl Net::LDAP::LDIF) > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <40D30A34.4010204 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > I'm having a similar problem getting the LDAP module in Webmin to work. When I > click on the icon for LDAP management, it says the Net::LDAP Perl module is not > installed. I click on the link to download and install it, and that seems to go > okay--some of the optional modules fail, but the core perl::ldap succeeds. But > when I try the LDAP manager in Webmin again, I get the same error. I tried to > 'yum install perl-LDAP' but it said it couldn't find any such package. > > Petre > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jun 18 16:59:34 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:59:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba/LDAP, DHCP, WINS, DNS on a 1GB quad P3 500 ? In-Reply-To: <20040618160038.D8EAC74AB0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040618160038.D8EAC74AB0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087577974.30424.28.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> We got those 4 Proliant 6000s I mentioned on the list last month. They are big suckers! and yes, to who ever said it "they do sound like turbine" :-| They are all set up with RAID 5. I'm thinking that one of these would be a prime candidate for a samba/LDAP along with some other services. I'd like to combine the ram of the remaining 3 into one (5 GB) and test it out as an K12LTSP and see how many terminals I can power up before it grinds to a halt. :-) -john From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jun 18 17:08:03 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:08:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba/LDAP, DHCP, WINS, DNS on a 1GB quad P3 500 ? In-Reply-To: <1087577974.30424.28.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Message-ID: <000701c45556$d3cf40a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > We got those 4 Proliant 6000s I mentioned on the list last month. > > They are big suckers! and yes, to who ever said it "they do > sound like turbine" :-| > > They are all set up with RAID 5. > > I'm thinking that one of these would be a prime candidate for > a samba/LDAP along with some other services. > > I'd like to combine the ram of the remaining 3 into one (5 > GB) and test it out as an K12LTSP and see how many terminals > I can power up before it grinds to a halt. :-) I am no expert on LTSP but I can assure you that they would make excellent file,mail,web servers. I hate to say that because I sure would like to get my hands on them for the shipping costs, but bottom line is they should make excellent servers for you. And yes, be sure their in a room separate from where you work. When I got my first Quad Processor Dell with 6 10,000 rpm SCSI drives and triple power supplies I decided to test it in standard fashion (my livingroom at home), lets just say my wife wasn't exactly happy, and that was before I yanked a SCSI to see how the RAID reacted and couldn't shut off the alarm for the next 1 1/2 hours. Also save the doctor bills and have someone help carry them :-) From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jun 18 17:15:48 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:15:48 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] cups hangs/fails Message-ID: <061820041715.3606.40D32344000CAE4300000E1622007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> in /etc/services, I have the following: ipp 631/tcp # Internet Printing Protocol ipp 631/ucp # Internet Printing Protocol which is the same as another system with cups. Also, in /etc/inetd.d there is a cups-lpd, but again this is the same as another system with cups installed. rc5.d has an entry for S90cups. The only thing I can see that is obviously different is netstat returns many many instances similar to the following for ipp. tcp 0 0 ncslts1.ncs.k12.de.:ipp ncslts1.ncs.k12.d:34816 TIME_WAIT which is not that same as the system where printing is working. Dave Hopkins > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Sounds like some other program is using the cups port, is cups running > as both a daemon and part of xinetd? > I had this problem with vsftp once and that was the cause. > > On Jun 18, 2004, at 11:34 AM, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > > Please help! My system here has suddenly started showing a load > > average of 3-4 even when no one is connected. top shows lpstat > > (several actually) using significant cpu cycles. I can manually kill > > the lpstat processes, but ... what damage does this do? I am using > > cups (it worked flawlessly all year till now), but > > > > /etc/init.d/cups stop returns FAILED. Also, a "cups start" returns > > .... > > I [18/Jun/2004:12:29:27 -0400] LoadPPDs: No new or changed PPDs... > > E [18/Jun/2004:12:29:28 -0400] StartListening: Unable to bind socket - > > Address already in use. > > > > googling has revealed nothing. I am at a complete loss. Restarting > > the system (I am a windows user) doesn't fix it. > > > > I need to get the printing working, but don't know why it broke. > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > Newark Charter School > > Newark Delaware 19713 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkDTG1gACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQbbwCfbpoaSVBVF/6EDJNML+uHEgAg > 7eQAn0wdy8G7P/gvgYwkOj2/o3C6okiZ > =66hF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jun 18 17:18:51 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:18:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <20040618160038.D8EAC74AB0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040618160038.D8EAC74AB0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087579131.30424.48.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> FWIW we have 2 servers one is a dell 2500 dual 900 Mhz with scsi raid on 3 9.X GB HDs and 3.5 GB RAM the other is a white box with dual 1.7 Ghz, 4 GB RAM and a promise raid controller with 4 40 GB IDE's. The Lab has 40 terminals and either box on it's own will run the lab. The white box being a noticeably better performer but not quick enough to keep everyone from getting impatient. My experience has been that either of these boxes will host 25 terminals running OO and mozilla. A few people running the chess game starts to slow everything down as does the java / flash sites our 1st and 2nd graders visit. /home is running off the dell and is shared via cross over cable on it's own segment. Both running K12LTSP 3.1.1 and using Gnome desktop. 2 1/2 years now and everyone is very satisfied with the lab. -john > Dale Sykora wrote: > > > To add to Jim's suggestion, I have heard good things about 3ware raid > > cards. I'm not sure if this was the card seen at buy.com > > > I am currently using a 3ware 12 port SATA raid controller with linux for > our backup server. This card is great, and handles hardware failure very > well. I must admit that the software it comes with for linux (called > 3dm) is very useful, as it's a web-based raid administration. I can > remove and and drives from home if I needed to. I must complain about > the installer that came with the software, as it doesn't install the > program correctly. None the less, Highly recommended. > > --Matt From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Jun 18 17:30:08 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:30:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] cups hangs/fails In-Reply-To: <061820041715.3606.40D32344000CAE4300000E1622007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <061820041715.3606.40D32344000CAE4300000E1622007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <40D326A0.8080100@gwi.net> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: >in /etc/services, I have the following: > >ipp 631/tcp # Internet Printing Protocol >ipp 631/ucp # Internet Printing Protocol > >which is the same as another system with cups. Also, in /etc/inetd.d there is a cups-lpd, but again this is the same as another system with cups installed. rc5.d has an entry for S90cups. > >The only thing I can see that is obviously different is netstat returns many many instances similar to the following for ipp. >tcp 0 0 ncslts1.ncs.k12.de.:ipp ncslts1.ncs.k12.d:34816 TIME_WAIT > >which is not that same as the system where printing is working. > >Dave Hopkins > > Add "-lp" to your netstat, e.g. netstat -lp |grep ipp This should help you identify what program is _listening_ on that port. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Fri Jun 18 17:38:25 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:38:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 1st try samba/ldap = (missing perl Net::LDAP and perl Net::LDAP::LDIF) In-Reply-To: <1087568950.19356.2.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.org> References: <1087568950.19356.2.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <40D32891.4030000@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> John Baillie wrote: >I got it stuck in my head that this part was done and verified at the >cpan prompt. At some point I'd like to know why the mods show at cpan >but still had to install rpms, but as long as it works... > > I think I can explain this. When you attempted to install the smbldap-tools RPM, rpm checked only its internal database to see if the required RPMs are already installed. Since you used CPAN to install the Net::LDAP bundle, rpm had no idea they were actually there. This would be true of any package you installed from a source other than an RPM package. For example, if you installed apache from source instead of an RPM, any other RPM requiring apache would not install. Had you chosen to install the smbldap-tools rpm with the '--nodeps' flag, you would probably have had a perfectly fine working system, but I don't blame you for finding and installing the Net-LDAP RPM, as that was the safer way to handle it. Hope this helps! -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jun 18 18:18:41 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:18:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 1st try samba/ldap =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3D_=28missing?= perl Net::LDAP and=?ISO-8859-1?Q? perl?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Net::LD?= In-Reply-To: <40D32891.4030000@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <1087568950.19356.2.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.org> <40D32891.4030000@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: Of course! Thanks Chris you answered a lot of questions for me. I never thought about simply it was checking the rpm database! Boy do I feel like an idiot. Thanks! You da' man too! "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I think I can explain this. When you attempted to install the >smbldap-tools RPM, rpm checked only its internal database to see if the >required RPMs are already installed. Since you used CPAN to install the >Net::LDAP bundle, rpm had no idea they were actually there. This would >be true of any package you installed from a source other than an RPM >package. For example, if you installed apache from source instead of an >RPM, any other RPM requiring apache would not install. > >Had you chosen to install the smbldap-tools rpm with the '--nodeps' >flag, you would probably have had a perfectly fine working system, but I >don't blame you for finding and installing the Net-LDAP RPM, as that was >the safer way to handle it. > >Hope this helps! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jun 18 18:20:09 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:20:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 1st try samba/ldap =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3D_=28missing?= perl Net::LDAP and perl=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Net::LDAP:?= In-Reply-To: <1087568950.19356.2.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.org> References: <1087568950.19356.2.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: Just curious...what distro are you using? "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >At step 15 I realized that the LDAP server not announcing it's self to >the lan but had to stop for the night. (I'm sure it's just some random T >not crossed or maybe an i not dotted) > >This is looking real good David!!! You da Man. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Jun 18 19:19:47 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:19:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing an ltsp connected printer from a Windows machine. Message-ID: <40D34053.8080800@elp.rr.com> I have a K12LTSP 8 terminal setup in my classroom. The server has an HP-1200 connected to it by USB. I have a Windows XP PRO machine that I can't change operating systems on This machine also has its own connection to the Internet separate from the server.. How can I get this windows machine to print on the HP-1200 using the local network both machines are connected to. Thanks Pat From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jun 18 19:29:04 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:29:04 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] cups hangs/fails Message-ID: <061820041929.11954.40D3428000092A4B00002EB222007481849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> All, Thanks! I did a netstat -tlnp | grep :631 and rpc.rquotad was listening! I do not know why this process would decide to start listening. I had unchecked Port 80 for ipp printing in cupsd.conf a few months back (probably not a good idea but it fixed a printing issue with WinXP at the time). I removed the entry, and restarted the system. Things are now back to normal. I still don't know why rpc.rquotad was listening, but at least it isn't anymore :) I'll sort out the WinXP printing issue later this summer. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > >in /etc/services, I have the following: > > > >ipp 631/tcp # Internet Printing Protocol > >ipp 631/ucp # Internet Printing Protocol > > > >which is the same as another system with cups. Also, in /etc/inetd.d there is > a cups-lpd, but again this is the same as another system with cups installed. > rc5.d has an entry for S90cups. > > > >The only thing I can see that is obviously different is netstat returns many > many instances similar to the following for ipp. > >tcp 0 0 ncslts1.ncs.k12.de.:ipp ncslts1.ncs.k12.d:34816 TIME_WAIT > > > >which is not that same as the system where printing is working. > > > >Dave Hopkins > > > > > Add "-lp" to your netstat, e.g. > netstat -lp |grep ipp > This should help you identify what program is _listening_ on that port. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net > Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Jun 18 19:43:06 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:43:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 1st try samba/ldap = (missing perl Net::LDAP and perl In-Reply-To: <20040618171604.AC62874028@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040618171604.AC62874028@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087587786.30424.67.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> > David Trask wrote: > > Of course! Thanks Chris you answered a lot of questions for me. I > never thought about simply it was checking the rpm database! Boy do I > feel like an idiot. Hey watch it there buddy, I resemble that remark! :-) > Just curious...what distro are you using? FC 2 ala K12LTSP 4.1.0 a8 (To Eric: Yep me too, fired it right up and booted a terminal) "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >At step 15 I realized that the LDAP server not announcing it's self to >the lan but had to stop for the night. (I'm sure it's just some random T >not crossed or maybe an i not dotted) Turns out that I did not edit smb.conf from eth1 to eth0 or replace the loop-back address to my actual ip. On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 13:16, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to > k12osn at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > k12osn-request at redhat.com > From dgough at papcs.com Fri Jun 18 19:52:47 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:52:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT...but I need help with postfix Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065F0B@xms.papcs.com> I can't find any answer to this question anywhere else, so I'm hoping someone here has some ideas. I run Mandrake 10 as a general purpose server at my school. I've installed Postfix, and it won't receive mail from outside. When I run Nmap, it tells me that there is no Port 25. Port 25 is listed in /etc/services so what's going on? Port 25 is opened on the firewall as well, but it's just not there on the system. Thanks, Doug Gough From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jun 18 20:13:33 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:13:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT...but I need help with postfix In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065F0B@xms.papcs.com> References: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065F0B@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <40D34CED.7070402@cmosnetworks.com> Methinks you likely don't have Postfix started up. All SMTP daemons run on TCP 25 if they want to talk to anyone else. Check your process listing (ps ax) and see if you see something like this: 15765 ? S 5:03 /usr/libexec/postfix/master If you don't, then you need to start up Postfix ("man postfix" should give you what you need). --TP Doug Gough wrote: >I can't find any answer to this question anywhere else, so I'm hoping >someone here has some ideas. I run Mandrake 10 as a general purpose >server at my school. I've installed Postfix, and it won't receive mail >from outside. When I run Nmap, it tells me that there is no Port 25. >Port 25 is listed in /etc/services so what's going on? Port 25 is opened >on the firewall as well, but it's just not there on the system. > >Thanks, > >Doug Gough > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Fri Jun 18 20:12:25 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:12:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing an ltsp connected printer from a Windows machine. In-Reply-To: <40D34053.8080800@elp.rr.com> References: <40D34053.8080800@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <40D34CA9.8030200@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> John P. Conlon wrote: > I have a K12LTSP 8 terminal setup in my classroom. The server has an > HP-1200 connected to it by USB. I have a Windows XP PRO machine that > I can't change operating systems on This machine also has its own > connection to the Internet separate from the server.. How can I get > this windows machine to print on the HP-1200 using the local network > both machines are connected to. > Thanks > Pat Samba will let you do that. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing/sharing_with_windows.html -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From dgough at papcs.com Fri Jun 18 20:22:22 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:22:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT...but I need help with postfix Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065F0C@xms.papcs.com> Postfix is running, and I can send messages internally. As well, I can send messages from this server to other domains on the internet. Port 25 is open on the firewall, but there is no port 25 listed when I do a portscan with Nmap from the server itself. In otherwords, I log on to the server locally, and use Nmap to portscan the server's address (192.168.1.230). There simply seems to be no port 25 on my system. I don't know how to add it or enable it or whatever. Thanks, Doug Gough > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. > Sent: June 18, 2004 1:14 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT...but I need help with postfix > > > Methinks you likely don't have Postfix started up. All SMTP > daemons run > on TCP 25 if they want to talk to anyone else. Check your process > listing (ps ax) and see if you see something like this: > > 15765 ? S 5:03 /usr/libexec/postfix/master > > If you don't, then you need to start up Postfix ("man postfix" should > give you what you need). > > --TP > > Doug Gough wrote: > > >I can't find any answer to this question anywhere else, so > I'm hoping > >someone here has some ideas. I run Mandrake 10 as a general purpose > >server at my school. I've installed Postfix, and it won't > receive mail > >from outside. When I run Nmap, it tells me that there is no Port 25. > >Port 25 is listed in /etc/services so what's going on? Port 25 is > >opened on the firewall as well, but it's just not there on > the system. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Doug Gough > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jun 18 20:21:55 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:21:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba/LDAP, DHCP, WINS, DNS on a 1GB quad P3 500 ? In-Reply-To: <1087577974.30424.28.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> References: <20040618160038.D8EAC74AB0@hormel.redhat.com> <1087577974.30424.28.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Message-ID: <40D34EE3.4050207@cmosnetworks.com> When you do this, understand that each process will run at the speed of a 500MHz box...but you can run a bunch of 'em. That was my experience. Let us know what you find out! --TP John Baillie wrote: >We got those 4 Proliant 6000s I mentioned on the list last month. > >They are big suckers! and yes, to who ever said it "they do sound like >turbine" :-| > >They are all set up with RAID 5. > >I'm thinking that one of these would be a prime candidate for a >samba/LDAP along with some other services. > >I'd like to combine the ram of the remaining 3 into one (5 GB) and test >it out as an K12LTSP and see how many terminals I can power up before it >grinds to a halt. :-) > >-john > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jun 18 20:26:40 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:26:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba/LDAP, DHCP, WINS, DNS on a 1GB quad P3 500 ? In-Reply-To: <40D34EE3.4050207@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: I'd just like to have that many terminals laying around! (the number needed to bring my little server(s) to a halt. . .) DS On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > When you do this, understand that each process will run at the speed of > a 500MHz box...but you can run a bunch of 'em. That was my experience. > > Let us know what you find out! > > --TP > > John Baillie wrote: > > >We got those 4 Proliant 6000s I mentioned on the list last month. > > > >They are big suckers! and yes, to who ever said it "they do sound like > >turbine" :-| > > > >They are all set up with RAID 5. > > > >I'm thinking that one of these would be a prime candidate for a > >samba/LDAP along with some other services. > > > >I'd like to combine the ram of the remaining 3 into one (5 GB) and test > >it out as an K12LTSP and see how many terminals I can power up before it > >grinds to a halt. :-) > > > >-john > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jun 18 20:28:07 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:28:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT...but I need help with postfix In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065F0C@xms.papcs.com> References: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065F0C@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <40D35057.1050206@cmosnetworks.com> Ah...then perhaps it's the "inet_interfaces" setting. Check out what's in your main.cf (mine's in /etc/postfix/) and see if that parameter's there. It may be that there's a "default" setting in there that doesn't correspond to the IP address your server actually uses. It might be set for "localhost" only, which will allow only localhost (127.0.0.1) to connect to Postfix. This is what OpenBSD does with its sendmail configuration to keep intruders out, and I think Red Hat's sendmail config is similar; at least, it was back in the day. --TP Doug Gough wrote: >Postfix is running, and I can send messages internally. As well, I can >send messages from this server to other domains on the internet. Port 25 >is open on the firewall, but there is no port 25 listed when I do a >portscan with Nmap from the server itself. In otherwords, I log on to >the server locally, and use Nmap to portscan the server's address >(192.168.1.230). There simply seems to be no port 25 on my system. I >don't know how to add it or enable it or whatever. > >Thanks, > >Doug Gough > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. >>Sent: June 18, 2004 1:14 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT...but I need help with postfix >> >> >>Methinks you likely don't have Postfix started up. All SMTP >>daemons run >>on TCP 25 if they want to talk to anyone else. Check your process >>listing (ps ax) and see if you see something like this: >> >> 15765 ? S 5:03 /usr/libexec/postfix/master >> >>If you don't, then you need to start up Postfix ("man postfix" should >>give you what you need). >> >>--TP >> >>Doug Gough wrote: >> >> >> >>>I can't find any answer to this question anywhere else, so >>> >>> >>I'm hoping >> >> >>>someone here has some ideas. I run Mandrake 10 as a general purpose >>>server at my school. I've installed Postfix, and it won't >>> >>> >>receive mail >>>from outside. When I run Nmap, it tells me that there is no Port 25. >> >> >>>Port 25 is listed in /etc/services so what's going on? Port 25 is >>>opened on the firewall as well, but it's just not there on >>> >>> >>the system. >> >> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Doug Gough >>> >>> From dgough at papcs.com Fri Jun 18 21:19:00 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:19:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT...but I need help with postfix Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065F11@xms.papcs.com> Thank you SO much :-) I vaguely remembered something about that, but couldn't, for the life of me, remember where to look. It is working perfectly now. Doug Gough > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. > Sent: June 18, 2004 1:28 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT...but I need help with postfix > > > Ah...then perhaps it's the "inet_interfaces" setting. Check > out what's > in your main.cf (mine's in /etc/postfix/) and see if that parameter's > there. It may be that there's a "default" setting in there > that doesn't > correspond to the IP address your server actually uses. It > might be set > for "localhost" only, which will allow only localhost (127.0.0.1) to > connect to Postfix. This is what OpenBSD does with its sendmail > configuration to keep intruders out, and I think Red Hat's sendmail > config is similar; at least, it was back in the day. > > --TP > > Doug Gough wrote: > > >Postfix is running, and I can send messages internally. As > well, I can > >send messages from this server to other domains on the > internet. Port > >25 is open on the firewall, but there is no port 25 listed > when I do a > >portscan with Nmap from the server itself. In otherwords, I > log on to > >the server locally, and use Nmap to portscan the server's address > >(192.168.1.230). There simply seems to be no port 25 on my system. I > >don't know how to add it or enable it or whatever. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Doug Gough > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. > >>Sent: June 18, 2004 1:14 PM > >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT...but I need help with postfix > >> > >> > >>Methinks you likely don't have Postfix started up. All SMTP > >>daemons run > >>on TCP 25 if they want to talk to anyone else. Check your process > >>listing (ps ax) and see if you see something like this: > >> > >> 15765 ? S 5:03 /usr/libexec/postfix/master > >> > >>If you don't, then you need to start up Postfix ("man > postfix" should > >>give you what you need). > >> > >>--TP > >> > >>Doug Gough wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I can't find any answer to this question anywhere else, so > >>> > >>> > >>I'm hoping > >> > >> > >>>someone here has some ideas. I run Mandrake 10 as a general purpose > >>>server at my school. I've installed Postfix, and it won't > >>> > >>> > >>receive mail > >>>from outside. When I run Nmap, it tells me that there is > no Port 25. > >> > >> > >>>Port 25 is listed in /etc/services so what's going on? Port 25 is > >>>opened on the firewall as well, but it's just not there on > >>> > >>> > >>the system. > >> > >> > >>>Thanks, > >>> > >>>Doug Gough > >>> > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jun 19 18:05:33 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] two test builds Message-ID: In addition to another v4.1.0 alpha build, I've started work on v4.0.2. The v4.0.2 build *should* be production ready, but has not been extensively tested. Note that this does not include LTSP 4.1, which is not yet available. I am leaning towards releasing v4.0.2, then releasing a v4.0.3 when LTSP 4.1 is ready. In addition to official Fedora security & bug patches, the following packages have been updated & need to be tested: bluefish, ltsp_kernel_i386, root-desktop-urls, scribus and verynice. The v4.1.0 alpha build is just that, an alpha-quality build. I've done one network install and verified that it can boot a terminal. That's it for testing ;-) The v4.0.2test isos are available via: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.0.2test/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.0.2test/iso/ . and v4.1.0alpha9 isos are available via: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0alpha/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.1.0alpha/ . -Eric From k12osn at collinsoft.com Sat Jun 19 20:04:22 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40D1B993.3050207@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > directly after that is where the X -query command goes. I'll try to > wiki this today, since it's working well. Truly amazing. Thank you to > everyone involved with LTSP, it's amazing how nice these old 5500s are > as thick clients! They have: > > 800x600 resolution > 16 bit color > integrated *working* speakers > > Pretty cool for the "junk" we have as an ex-mac school... What network cards are you using in the 5500s? -- Ryan Collins Director of IT - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From troy at banther-trx.homeunix.com Sat Jun 19 19:46:43 2004 From: troy at banther-trx.homeunix.com (troy banther) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:46:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1087674403.2621.68.camel@banther-trx> Man Linux is kick @$$. -- troy banther - avid linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com Personal views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, non-linear thinking, vegan food preferences, active non-violence, compassionate living, or anything else I might infer are mine only. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Jun 19 20:52:24 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:52:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D4A788.2030309@inlandlakes.org> k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: > What network cards are you using in the 5500s? Oh wow... I dunno. I can look on Monday, but they're whatever Apple shipped them with. They are not standard PCI NICs (which do also work, as the 5500s have one PCI slot available) but rather they are the proprietary slotted NICs that are apple branded something-or-other. If memory serves, they are a tulip based card -- but I'm not sure. I'm also not sure of the name of the proprietary slot either, it's not NUBUS (which is what the 5260s have) but I'm not sure the name of it. If you want I can look more in depth on Monday, and even take pictures. :o) Just lemme know. -Shawn From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Jun 19 20:53:51 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:53:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] In-Reply-To: <1087674403.2621.68.camel@banther-trx> References: <1087674403.2621.68.camel@banther-trx> Message-ID: <40D4A7DF.5000808@inlandlakes.org> troy banther wrote: > Man Linux is kick @$$. Can I hear an AMEN... ;) Not to be sexist, I'm sure Woman Linux is kick @$$ too. :D hehehe -Shawn From jopp at redhat.com Sun Jun 20 11:39:43 2004 From: jopp at redhat.com (jopp at redhat.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:39:43 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] jopp@redhat.com Message-ID: Here is a casino giving away $25 Free when you sign up an account. No credit card required http://secretbonus.cls2.org/iwin.html James From timlegge at etherboot.org Sat Jun 19 23:15:01 2004 From: timlegge at etherboot.org (Timothy Legge) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:15:01 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Membership and Donation Software Message-ID: <1087686901.18723.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Hi I recently converted the staff at a Boy's and Girls Club to LTSP. We are looking for a couple of pieces of software. 1) A membership tracker (contact information etc. for the Kids) 2) A Donations/Supporters Database that can track who has made donations and the type of donations. I would normally say that Web Based would be preferable but with LTSP as long as it is multi user it should be fine. Any ideas? Tim From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Jun 19 23:21:03 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:21:03 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Membership and Donation Software In-Reply-To: <1087686901.18723.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1087686901.18723.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <1087687263.18723.12.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 20:15, Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi > > I recently converted the staff at a Boy's and Girls Club to LTSP. > > We are looking for a couple of pieces of software. > > 1) A membership tracker (contact information etc. for the Kids) > 2) A Donations/Supporters Database that can track who has made donations > and the type of donations. I just found http://www.infocentral.org/ and it looks good but if you know of others I would be interested. Tim From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Jun 19 23:25:35 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:25:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Membership and Donation Software In-Reply-To: <1087686901.18723.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1087686901.18723.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <40D4CB6F.4090902@inlandlakes.org> Timothy Legge wrote: > I recently converted the staff at a Boy's and Girls Club to LTSP. Very awesome. :) > Any ideas? Sorry for the, "That's not an answer" type reply... While I don't know offhand any software for that type of thing, sourceforge is your friend here. Generally, if you can THINK of something, someone has started a project on sourceforge for it... "Beware, there be monsters here.." Many sourceforge projects don't make it past the planning stage, so you have to look past that and find something that fits, or *almost* fits your needs. Since it's open source, if something isn't exactly what you'd hoped -- you might be able to adjust it to fit your needs. (ie, customer contact database instead of the membership database you spoke of... the former would probably fit the bill nicely, even if it wasn't designed for such a thing) Good luck, and if I've completely confused you -- feel free to contact me offlist for my even more complicated explanations. ;) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From troy at banther-trx.homeunix.com Sun Jun 20 15:12:38 2004 From: troy at banther-trx.homeunix.com (troy banther) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:12:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Membership and Donation Software In-Reply-To: <40D4CB6F.4090902@inlandlakes.org> References: <1087686901.18723.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <40D4CB6F.4090902@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1087744358.2556.50.camel@banther-trx> Hello everyone, I welcome everyone to at least try out my small, insignificant, home-brewed IRC chat server at banther-trx.homeunix.com #trxchat . I would just be honored to have the proverbial "big dogs" in the Fedora community to say hello on my FC2 home server. Troy -- troy banther - avid linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com Personal views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, non-linear thinking, vegan food preferences, active non-violence, compassionate living, or anything else I might infer are mine only. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own. From mross at esd165.org Mon Jun 21 04:20:56 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:20:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Membership and Donation Software In-Reply-To: <1087686901.18723.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1087686901.18723.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <40D66228.9080707@esd165.org> Timothy Legge wrote: >Hi > >I recently converted the staff at a Boy's and Girls Club to LTSP. > >We are looking for a couple of pieces of software. > >1) A membership tracker (contact information etc. for the Kids) >2) A Donations/Supporters Database that can track who has made donations >and the type of donations. > >I would normally say that Web Based would be preferable but with LTSP as >long as it is multi user it should be fine. > >Any ideas? > >Tim > > > I recenlty had a simular problem, as I had a signup for a Lan Party I had to keep track of. I solved problem #1 using a little editable form which connects to a MySQL database. The form I used was PHPMyEdit, avalible here: http://phpmyedit.org/home.php To take care of the money requirements for our lanparty, we used PayPal. Since PayPal will accept credit cards, and it has a history of all transactions, it fit the bill (no pun intended). But, if you're looking for a more generalized tracking of funds, you could go with GnuCash. Hope you find the software you're looking for. --Matt From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon Jun 21 07:54:23 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:54:23 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Of interest - new Wyse terminals Message-ID: Wyse ships Linux clients Terminal vendor Wyse Technology has enriched its server-centric computing strategy by unveiling the Winterm 5000 series of Linux-based thin clients. http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?id=76388437&eid=-50 Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jun 21 11:31:15 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:31:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Of interest - new Wyse terminals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D6C703.8040709@cmosnetworks.com> Yes, I noticed that also, and I like seeing a corporate mindset that supports LTSP architectures. My concern would be upgrading the kernel, X11, or anything else for which there were a newly discovered security hole or other serious bug, given that these thin clients seem to have an embedded Linux-based OS, and even a user app or two (Web browser) in them. With TFTP-booting thin clients (say, an old Pentium), that kernel/X11/etc. code can be easily upgraded. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? --TP Les Bell wrote: >Wyse ships Linux clients >Terminal vendor Wyse Technology has enriched its server-centric computing >strategy by unveiling the Winterm 5000 series of Linux-based thin clients. >http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?id=76388437&eid=-50 > >Best, > >--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP >[http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 21 12:01:57 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:01:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Of interest - new Wyse terminals In-Reply-To: <40D6C703.8040709@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40D6C703.8040709@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40D6CE35.3010605@inlandlakes.org> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > them. With TFTP-booting thin clients (say, an old Pentium), that > kernel/X11/etc. code can be easily upgraded. > > Does anyone have any thoughts on this? It seems I have thoughts on most anything... ;) The $199 Capio One (thanks Huck!) also has embedded linux with an rdesktop/citrix client built in. The $299 model offers the ability to connect natively to a remote X server. BUT the coolest part is that the hardware PXE boots on ANY Capio model, so you get the full advantage of a truly thin client. I don't know what the WYSE terminal is based on, so it's likely you can't just go into BIOS and tell it to boot from the network. What's the advantage of going with a Wyse terminal? Name recognition? Do they come with built in monitors for $350? We are going with a combination of Capio/CRT 17" and Donations/CRT 17" for next year. The price for "brand new" stuff (ie, the Capio and a new 17" CRT) is $300. Anyway, the purpose for my email is to mention that you may be able to avoid the embedded linux solution by just PXE booting the hardware. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Jun 21 14:44:15 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:44:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP in Afghanistan Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DE27@remail2.westat.com> I've been asked to prepare a presentation on using K12LTSP in a training center in Kabul, Afghanistan. A small NGO is setting up the training center and when I told them about how it is being used in schools I was asked if something like that could be set up in Kabul. There are lots of hoops to jump through before any decisions are actually made but I'm excited about the possibility. Does anyone here know about any Dari (Farsi would do) internationalizations or translations of software available for Fedora/RedHat? I found I18n information on KDE.org so I'll contact folks there but wondered if anyone on this list has experience using K12LTSP in a Iranian language locale. I also found www.farsikde.org that looks promising except for the fact that it is all written in Farsi ;-) Note that I only speak English an don't expect to be able to learn a sufficient amount of Farsi to be of any help. I will have native speakers (and readers) helping me but I'm expecting to be the only technical person on any team that is set up. Any pointers would be appreciated. Feel free to contact me off-list if this seems too off-topic. -- Henry From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Jun 21 14:58:04 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:58:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Distributed Samba deployment opinions? Message-ID: <1087829884.8219.20.camel@localhost> Colleagues- I am going to be deploying a Samba domain / file serving infrastructure in my district this summer. The buildings in my district are interconnected via T1 lines, and the major design goals of this project are: 1- Only Internet and authentication should generally traverse the T1 links between buildings (each building has its own file server locally). 2- Authentication should work globally so that people may easily move from building to building and still have things work, even if their home directory is not stored on the local file server. 3- Home directories need to be easy to migrate from one file server to another should someone permanently change buildings. I haven't deployed a Samba domain this complex before, and I would like some feedback on the following points: 1- Would it be better to set this up as one large domain, or several smaller domains (ie- one for each building)? 2- How does the above choice affect user and home directory creation / management? 3- Would it make sense to have one centrally located Samba machine do the authentication and have the building servers act only as file servers, or would should each building machine handle authentication requests for its building, only referencing a central LDAP server? 4- How does the system know which server to pull the user's home directory from? I have thought of a few solutions, but they all seem less than ideal to me. Also, the reference materials I have looked at do not address a setup like this. What are your thoughts? Have you found materials that talk about this sort of structure? What were they? -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 21 15:10:50 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:10:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Distributed Samba deployment opinions? In-Reply-To: <1087829884.8219.20.camel@localhost> References: <1087829884.8219.20.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40D6FA7A.1030106@inlandlakes.org> Quentin Hartman wrote: > I have thought of a few solutions, My real quick "off the cuff" response is to make sure you check out pgina.xpasystems.com -- it's GPL, and has kept me from setting Samba up as anything more than a fileserver (ie, no Domain/AD stuff at all). You can authenticate local boxes from a wide variety of places. It's great. Apart from that -- you mention going between buildings. With the fileservers at each building, would users have separate documents at each building? Is that OK? Moving them, assuming a linux fileserver, is as simple as an rsync two-step if the person wishes to have documents moved (and with central authentication, ownership is already set) There has been a lot of talk recently about rsyncing on logout, etc -- but I haven't followed those threads (Our buildings are all connected via fiber) -- but it might be worth looking into. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com Mon Jun 21 15:12:19 2004 From: Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com (Karolow, Mike [ITS]) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:12:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Skolelinux Message-ID: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A6CEBE8@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Everyone, I'm just starting with Linux and L12LTSP in particular. Please don't take offence at my question, nor feel as though I'm asking for anyone to defend themselves (I'm all too well aware that things sometimes come across poorly in email) I've been following K12LTSP for about a month now and have been impressed with what I saw. I have installed it and created a small test network. My mind had been made up to use K12LTSP in my small, one-school setup of about 10 machines. I read that the Debian based Skolelinux just hit 1.0. What I don't know is how the two projects differ (aside from the Norwegian language support). Have any of you experimented with Skolelinux? Why did you choose K12LTSP in the end? I'm trying to better understand what to expect from one vs. the other. Thanks! -------------------------- Mike Karolow Volunteer IT Administrator The Greenhouse School Salem, Ma, 01970, USA From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Jun 21 15:27:02 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:27:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Distributed Samba deployment opinions? In-Reply-To: <1087829884.8219.20.camel@localhost> References: <1087829884.8219.20.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <71977FAC-C397-11D8-8F1A-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If I were tasked with doing this, I'd try to do central LDAP authentication and connect your sites using a VPN (either OpenVPN(SSL) or OpenSWAN(standard IPSEC)), especially since this traffic is going to travel outside your buildings. The tough part is the file storage. Central file storage mounted over NFS would be preferred if you have the bandwidth to pull it off, (obviously you'd need a much bigger server), but it would solve your portability problems and having all the heavy lifting in one place would make management/backups easier. Central management is easier, since all of your school machines are just terminal servers and clients. All files and sign-in stuff is in a central location. The main problem here seems to be bandwidth and whether you have enough for this kind of application and 'normal' usage. If not then the question is, can you specify a different NFS home for each subdomain or user in the LDAP database? Someone else on the list (who has some LDAP experience) will have to answer that one. On Jun 21, 2004, at 9:58 AM, Quentin Hartman wrote: > Colleagues- > I am going to be deploying a Samba domain / file serving > infrastructure > in my district this summer. The buildings in my district are > interconnected via T1 lines, and the major design goals of this project > are: > > 1- Only Internet and authentication should generally traverse the T1 > links between buildings (each building has its own file server > locally). > > 2- Authentication should work globally so that people may easily move > from building to building and still have things work, even if their > home > directory is not stored on the local file server. > > 3- Home directories need to be easy to migrate from one file server to > another should someone permanently change buildings. > > I haven't deployed a Samba domain this complex before, and I would like > some feedback on the following points: > > 1- Would it be better to set this up as one large domain, or several > smaller domains (ie- one for each building)? > > 2- How does the above choice affect user and home directory creation / > management? > > 3- Would it make sense to have one centrally located Samba machine do > the authentication and have the building servers act only as file > servers, or would should each building machine handle authentication > requests for its building, only referencing a central LDAP server? > > 4- How does the system know which server to pull the user's home > directory from? > > I have thought of a few solutions, but they all seem less than ideal to > me. Also, the reference materials I have looked at do not address a > setup like this. What are your thoughts? Have you found materials that > talk about this sort of structure? What were they? > > -- > -Regards- > > -Quentin Hartman- > > Technology Coordinator > South Lane School District > Cottage Grove, Oregon > Office- 541.767.3778 > Mobile- 541-501-1197 > qhartman at lane.k12.or.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkDW/kYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSD0gCdFj0DrYyDNQHQsftssgXMIoxU 72YAn27rLIq4JQrmrNYJuuss5H0lsMH/ =gCAC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Jun 21 15:30:29 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:30:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Distributed Samba deployment opinions? In-Reply-To: <40D6FA7A.1030106@inlandlakes.org> References: <1087829884.8219.20.camel@localhost> <40D6FA7A.1030106@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1087831829.8217.34.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 08:10, Shawn Powers wrote: > Quentin Hartman wrote: > > I have thought of a few solutions, > > My real quick "off the cuff" response is to make sure you check out > pgina.xpasystems.com -- it's GPL, and has kept me from setting Samba up > as anything more than a fileserver (ie, no Domain/AD stuff at all). You > can authenticate local boxes from a wide variety of places. It's great. I will check it out. > Apart from that -- you mention going between buildings. With the > fileservers at each building, would users have separate documents at > each building? Is that OK? Moving them, assuming a linux fileserver, > is as simple as an rsync two-step if the person wishes to have documents > moved (and with central authentication, ownership is already set) The common case would be that people only have their home directories stored at their home building, and should they move, the system is "smart enough" to transparently connect to their "home server" even if they are at another building. This is rare enough that rsyncing everyone would be silly (not to mention I don't have the disc space to do that), and the performance hit is acceptable. However, it is common enough that it must be transparent to the user. I don't think moving their home directory would be complex in any case, I mentioned it only to be complete, it's the first part that's making me wonder. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From kjetil at knudsen.gs Mon Jun 21 16:20:29 2004 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:20:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Skolelinux References: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A6CEBE8@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Message-ID: <001101c457ab$ad3e4560$6400a8c0@mobilknut> Why did you > choose K12LTSP in the end? I> Our school use k12LTSP even though we are a Norwegian school and we have tried both distros. Skolelinux is a great project which support a great deal of solutions in one box. Our choice is K12LTSP because we feel it is more up to date ( mainly the graphical environment) and that we are able to adapt the system to meet our needs. My impression is that skolelinux is more locked. It works out of the box, but it is more difficult to change the system to fit your special needs. If you are looking for a system that will work out of the box with Ltsp, ldap, samba, and a lot more., then look no further, Skolelinux is a great solution. (Skolelinux just hit v.1.0. K12ltsp is almost ready for v. 4.1) Skolelinux look older, mainly because the folks behind it prefer 100 % stability and choose solutions that are haviliy testet through years.... But as I said. Our decision is K12LTSP mainly because of its new and up to date design and solutions. And the ability to change it to meet our needs.... Kjetil Knudsen From lewis at pcc.com Mon Jun 21 16:49:00 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:49:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome-terminal Message-ID: Hello, I've searched the list for this and found a similar question asked back in April. But with no responses. I am using gnome-terminal to access a product via telnet. It works like a charm, except that F1 pulls up the Gnome Help option. I know I can have users adjust their keybindings to fix this, but I want to change the default to gnome-terminal. From what I have been reading I should be able to set this by editing /etc/gconf/apps/gnome-terminal/keybindings/%gconf.xml, however that does not appear to have solved my problems. Other file perhaps? Any help would be appreciated. --------- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed Linux. From julius at turtle.com Mon Jun 21 17:06:05 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34874.216.216.171.3.1087837565.squirrel@bastion> > I've searched the list for this and found a similar question asked back > in April. But with no responses. > > I am using gnome-terminal to access a product via telnet. It works like > a charm, except that F1 pulls up the Gnome Help option. I know I can > have users adjust their keybindings to fix this, but I want to change > the default to gnome-terminal. > > From what I have been reading I should be able to set this by editing > /etc/gconf/apps/gnome-terminal/keybindings/%gconf.xml, however that > does not appear to have solved my problems. > > Other file perhaps? > Edit -> KeyboardShortcuts, scrroll to the last line, space bar disables F1 = help. Check which file got changed ;-) From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Mon Jun 21 17:36:39 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:36:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Distributed Samba deployment opinions? In-Reply-To: <71977FAC-C397-11D8-8F1A-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <1087829884.8219.20.camel@localhost> <71977FAC-C397-11D8-8F1A-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <40D71CA7.8070304@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Burke Almquist wrote: > The tough part is the file storage. Central file storage mounted > over NFS would be preferred if you have the bandwidth to pull it off, > (obviously you'd need a much bigger server), but it would solve your > portability problems and having all the heavy lifting in one place > would make management/backups easier. Central management is easier, > since all of your school machines are just terminal servers and > clients. All files and sign-in stuff is in a central location. Y'all must have *much* more reliable T1s than we can muster out here in the desert. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 21 17:42:04 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:42:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Distributed Samba deployment opinions? In-Reply-To: <1087831829.8217.34.camel@localhost> References: <1087829884.8219.20.camel@localhost> <40D6FA7A.1030106@inlandlakes.org> <1087831829.8217.34.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40D71DEC.70700@inlandlakes.org> Quentin Hartman wrote: > "smart enough" to transparently connect to their "home server" even if > they are at another building. This is rare enough that rsyncing everyone I do something like this here, using DNS to be my "tool of transparency" -- so a persons home directory might be mounted on \\place1\homes -- and if they are at place1, it resolves to a local address, but if they are at place2, it resolves the remote address. Please note to all the security mongers, VPNs etc could be added -- perhaps the T1s are private T1s though, and never touch the internet... Anyway, separate DNS servers at each site might allow you to mangle *where* the mount actually goes to. Just more thoughts, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Mon Jun 21 17:43:33 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:43:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Distributed Samba deployment opinions? In-Reply-To: <1087829884.8219.20.camel@localhost> References: <1087829884.8219.20.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40D71E45.5030103@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Quentin Hartman wrote: >Colleagues- > I am going to be deploying a Samba domain / file serving infrastructure >in my district this summer. The buildings in my district are >interconnected via T1 lines, and the major design goals of this project >are: > >1- Only Internet and authentication should generally traverse the T1 >links between buildings (each building has its own file server locally). > >2- Authentication should work globally so that people may easily move >from building to building and still have things work, even if their home >directory is not stored on the local file server. > >3- Home directories need to be easy to migrate from one file server to >another should someone permanently change buildings. > Hi Quentin, I'm looking at exactly the same scenario (several geographically separated buildings with T1 connectivity), with the added bonus of far too common network outages. My plan is to have each of the site servers configured, effectively, as BDCs, each with their own LDAP server (slaved from the primary at the DO) and Samba authenticating local clients. The only difference between this and your stated goals is that not even authentication would traverse the WAN, just internet and the occasional user's data if they're away from their home site. I entertained the idea of using rsync to keep up to date files from all sites on all servers, but the times it would be needed are so few and far between that I didn't deem it worthwhile. I will be rsyncing all machines to one central server nightly for backups, which would also make a fine place to migrate a user from one site to another. Hope this helps, -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From lewis at pcc.com Mon Jun 21 17:52:31 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:52:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: <34874.216.216.171.3.1087837565.squirrel@bastion> References: <34874.216.216.171.3.1087837565.squirrel@bastion> Message-ID: Julius, That was what I tried in the first place. /home/user/.gconf/apps/gnome-terminal/keybindings/%gconf.xml was the file that was changed, but I do not find a similar file on the /etc/gconf/ structure. Also there are several files that might be the one, but their contents does not match the syntax in the users updated file. So I'm still looking. Thanks Lewis On Jun 21, 2004, at 1:06 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> I've searched the list for this and found a similar question asked >> back >> in April. But with no responses. >> >> I am using gnome-terminal to access a product via telnet. It works >> like >> a charm, except that F1 pulls up the Gnome Help option. I know I can >> have users adjust their keybindings to fix this, but I want to change >> the default to gnome-terminal. >> >> From what I have been reading I should be able to set this by editing >> /etc/gconf/apps/gnome-terminal/keybindings/%gconf.xml, however that >> does not appear to have solved my problems. >> >> Other file perhaps? >> > > Edit -> KeyboardShortcuts, scrroll to the last line, space bar > disables F1 > = help. Check which file got changed ;-) > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Jun 21 18:12:33 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:12:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Distributed Samba deployment opinions? In-Reply-To: <40D71DEC.70700@inlandlakes.org> References: <1087829884.8219.20.camel@localhost> <40D6FA7A.1030106@inlandlakes.org> <1087831829.8217.34.camel@localhost> <40D71DEC.70700@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1087841553.8217.45.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 10:42, Shawn Powers wrote: > I do something like this here, using DNS to be my "tool of transparency" > -- so a persons home directory might be mounted on \\place1\homes -- > and if they are at place1, it resolves to a local address, but if they > are at place2, it resolves the remote address. This is a good idea, I will look into how I can use that if need be. > Please note to all the security mongers, VPNs etc could be added -- > perhaps the T1s are private T1s though, and never touch the internet... My T1's are private Point to Point. They are actually aggregated at the center into a DS3, each building shaving off it's own t1 channel. This was cheaper than having so many independant lines, even with all the channels we are wasting. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 21 18:40:22 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP webcam at NECC Message-ID: We finally got our webcam up at NECC, it's been a busy morning! http://k12ltsp.org/necc/cam.html -Eric From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 21 18:47:54 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:47:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Skolelinux In-Reply-To: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A6CEBE8@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> References: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A6CEBE8@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Message-ID: <40D72D5A.4030507@inlandlakes.org> Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: > I read that the Debian based Skolelinux just hit 1.0. What I don't know > is how the two projects differ (aside from the Norwegian language > support). Have any of you experimented with Skolelinux? Why did you > choose K12LTSP in the end? I'm trying to better understand what to > expect from one vs. the other. I haven't used skolelinux at all, but my general reasons for sticking with K12LTSP: * Active (VERY ACTIVE!!) support, here on the listserv. * Redhat/Fedora is recognized by School Boards. Name brands help. * The tweaks. The core developers of K12LTSP and of LTSP are very close. They are on the K12LTSP list all the time. They listen. That's not to say the Skolelinux folks don't listen, but I have no reason to change and see. I'll be honest -- I don't really like Redhat/Fedora as my choice Linux distro. I'm a Debian man through and through. LTSP will work on Debian just fine, but so much work has gone into the K12LTSP distro, that its just silly not to use it. Thank goodness it's open source and we get to choose, eh? :) Good luck, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jun 21 20:17:20 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:17:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HotPlug Message-ID: <003401c457cc$c149ca40$1803010a@paasda.org> Huck is on a USB flash drive warpath this week =) Having tried the Storage:USB documentation at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki site... and failing miserably...I decided to try the "hotplugging" solution documented at the same site! the set up was a LOT less complex...and I made it all the way to the 'testing' phase... The workstation starts up and USB drive is shown when I plug it in... but...I have no idea where it is mounting it to...or if it is actually mounting anywhere... The documentation doesn't actually cover any of this...but merely the setup of the 'hotplugging' under k12ltsp which as I said was quite simple... a few file copies and 2 minor file edits... If anyone has USB flash drives working with terminals under K12ltsp any help would be great! =) *will be mailing Ron Baughman(hotplugging writer) but hoping maybe he's on-list and could expound on his wiki-doc* --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnnyb at eskimo.com Mon Jun 21 20:31:41 2004 From: johnnyb at eskimo.com (Jonathan Bartlett) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Media Contact Message-ID: Our paper in Tulsa, OK is running a story about open-source. I mentioned K12LTSP. Since I had not done anything myself w/ K12LTSP, they wanted contact information with someone who had. I wasn't sure who here was the best to talk to, or had the most experience with switching classrooms from Windows to LTSP or installing LTSP in schools who couldn't afford computers previously. Please CC: johnnyb at eskimo.com, since although I get this list, I don't check it regularly. Sincerely, Jonathan Bartlett ---- Learn to program using Linux assembly language http://www.cafeshops.com/bartlettpublish.8640017 From csitech at davisny.edu Mon Jun 21 20:49:43 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:49:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Media Contact In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1087850983.11272.1.camel@localhost> Sounds like a great opportunity to spread Linux and open source around a bit. So, who'd going to take it? I'd love to, but I probably have the least amount of experience changing over from Windows in a school environment (I work for a college, and we're changing over...but that's not exactly a K-12 school). -Calvin On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 16:31, Jonathan Bartlett wrote: > Our paper in Tulsa, OK is running a story about open-source. I mentioned > K12LTSP. Since I had not done anything myself w/ K12LTSP, they wanted > contact information with someone who had. I wasn't sure who here was the > best to talk to, or had the most experience with switching classrooms from > Windows to LTSP or installing LTSP in schools who couldn't afford > computers previously. > > Please CC: johnnyb at eskimo.com, since although I get this list, I don't > check it regularly. > > Sincerely, > > Jonathan Bartlett > ---- > Learn to program using Linux assembly language > http://www.cafeshops.com/bartlettpublish.8640017 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From group at thunderchild.org Mon Jun 21 20:56:23 2004 From: group at thunderchild.org (Sean) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:56:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40D4A788.2030309@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000f01c457d2$3965ad50$18d2a8c0@saturn> What Distro are you using with the Mac, We have a bundle "Older" Power PCs lying about. Sean -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: 19 June 2004 21:52 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: > What network cards are you using in the 5500s? Oh wow... I dunno. I can look on Monday, but they're whatever Apple shipped them with. They are not standard PCI NICs (which do also work, as the 5500s have one PCI slot available) but rather they are the proprietary slotted NICs that are apple branded something-or-other. If memory serves, they are a tulip based card -- but I'm not sure. I'm also not sure of the name of the proprietary slot either, it's not NUBUS (which is what the 5260s have) but I'm not sure the name of it. If you want I can look more in depth on Monday, and even take pictures. :o) Just lemme know. -Shawn _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Mon Jun 21 21:19:59 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:19:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <20040617004824.HSOO4281.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: I have had to back up and start over... My clamav starts from MailScanner, but I have found a log file, and it says "File containing list of incoming queue dirs (/var/spool/postfix.in/defered)" does not exist. Then starts the MailScanner E-Mail Virus scanner over again... any ideas????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Yancey B. Jones Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:54 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial > Thanks to all for the information. I think Squirrel > mail is working now, (maybe, still in a test environment). > Which brings me to my next question; Is there a way to see if > clamav is actually getting the updates??????? Are you running freshclam and specifying a log file? I am using Gentoo for my mail server so this may be different than what you need but here is my config file and startup script: #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# # Config file for /etc/init.d/clamd START_CLAMD=yes CLAMD_OPTS="" CLAMD_LOG="" START_FRESHCLAM=yes FRESHCLAM_OPTS="-d -c 2" FRESHCLAM_LOG="/var/log/clam-update.log" #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# #!/sbin/runscript # Copyright 1999-2004 Gentoo Technologies, Inc. # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 # $Header: /home/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/net-mail/clamav/files/clamd.rc,v 1.4 2004/03/06 03:15:17 vapier Exp $ depend() { need net } start() { if [ -f "/tmp/clamd" ]; then rm -f /tmp/clamd fi if [ -n "${CLAMD_LOG}" -a ! -f "${CLAMD_LOG}" ]; then touch "${CLAMD_LOG}" chown clamav:clamav "${CLAMD_LOG}" fi ebegin "Starting clamd" start-stop-daemon --start --quiet \ --exec /usr/sbin/clamd -- ${CLAMD_OPTS} eend $? "Failed to start clamd" if [ -n "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" -a ! -f "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" ]; then touch "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" chown clamav:clamav "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" FRESHCLAM_OPTS="${FRESHCLAM_OPTS} -l ${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" fi ebegin "Starting freshclam" start-stop-daemon --start --quiet \ --exec /usr/bin/freshclam -- -d -l ${FRESHCLAM_LOG} eend $? "Failed to start freshclam" } stop() { ebegin "Stopping clamd" start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --name clamd eend $? "Failed to stop clamd" ebegin "Stopping freshclam" start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --name freshclam eend $? "Failed to stop freshclam" } #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# I can then chack the log file in /var/log/clamd which looks like this: Tue Jun 15 13:15:06 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database status OK. Tue Jun 15 16:17:16 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database modification detected. Forcing reload. Tue Jun 15 16:17:16 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav Tue Jun 15 16:17:17 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21966 viruses) Wed Jun 16 03:23:13 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database status OK. Wed Jun 16 03:23:13 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav Wed Jun 16 03:23:14 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21966 viruses) Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database modification detected. Forcing reload. Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21972 viruses) -Yancey _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.3 - Release Date: 6/18/2004 From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Jun 21 21:20:23 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:20:23 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] HotPlug In-Reply-To: <003401c457cc$c149ca40$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003401c457cc$c149ca40$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1087852567.1258.11.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Huck, I had some issues running a USB pen drive on my machine running FC1. The trick was the fstab entry. I created a folder named /mnt/usbdrv Then I treated my USB drive as another form of removable media. A single desktop config file mounts/unmounts the USB drive in a similar manner to a CDR/RW drive. Doing this in fstab gives the drive root permissions/ownership. NOTE - This is on a local installation of Linux, NOT LTSP. HTH, Bert On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 08:17, Huck wrote: > Huck is on a USB flash drive warpath this week =) > > Having tried the Storage:USB documentation at > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki site... > and failing miserably...I decided to try the "hotplugging" solution > documented at the same site! > > the set up was a LOT less complex...and I made it all the way to the > 'testing' phase... > The workstation starts up and USB drive is shown when I plug it in... > but...I have no idea where it is mounting it to...or if it is actually > mounting anywhere... > > The documentation doesn't actually cover any of this...but merely the > setup of the 'hotplugging' under k12ltsp > which as I said was quite simple... a few file copies and 2 minor file > edits... > > If anyone has USB flash drives working with terminals under K12ltsp > any help would be great! =) > *will be mailing Ron Baughman(hotplugging writer) but hoping maybe > he's on-list and could expound on his wiki-doc* > > --Huck > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Mon Jun 21 21:46:50 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:46:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions Message-ID: When I try to follow the install Unicode::MapUTF8 instructions I get the following errors. I am trying this on Red Hat 9 which I know the instructions are for Fedora Core2. Any ideas what might be missing from my box besides fedora core 2 ;-) Thanks -Glenn de-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode/Tr.pm line 27 (#2) Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xa5, with no preceding start byte) in pattern match (m//) at /root/.cpan/build/Jcode-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode.pm line 579 (#1) t/tr.........FAILED tests 4-8 Failed 5/8 tests, 37.50% okay Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- t/convert.t 39 15 38.46% 12-14 16 18-22 24-25 32-34 37 t/h2z.t 6 2 33.33% 4-5 t/new.t 34 19 55.88% 7-9 11-20 22 27-29 31-32 t/tr.t 8 5 62.50% 4-8 Failed 4/7 test scripts, 42.86% okay. 41/123 subtests failed, 66.67% okay. make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 29 /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK Running make install make test had returned bad status, won't install without force Running make for S/SN/SNOWHARE/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09.tar.gz Is already unwrapped into directory /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09 Has already been processed within this session Running make test PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t t/01_unicode_maputf8....Can't locate Jcode.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./blib ../blib ../lib ./lib /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/lib /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/arch /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. Compilation failed in require at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. t/01_unicode_maputf8....dubious Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) FAILED--1 test script could be run, alas--no output ever seen make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK Running make install make test had returned bad status, won't install without force cpan> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 21 22:01:55 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (jim at winonacotter.org) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:01:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1087855315.40d75ad325eaf@webmail.winonacotter.org> I keep running into these errors with all sorts of perl modules. It seems to always be related to a bug with perl. Try to issue the command # export LANG="en_US" at the command line and then run the install again. This has fixed every install problem I have had with perl so far. Not exactly sure why this fixes it but I have found the suggestion in forums on a few Google searches. Quoting Glenn Arnold : > When I try to follow the install Unicode::MapUTF8 instructions I get the > following errors. I am trying this on Red Hat 9 which I know the > instructions are for Fedora Core2. Any ideas what might be missing from > my box besides fedora core 2 ;-) > > Thanks > -Glenn > > de-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode/Tr.pm line 27 (#2) > Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xa5, with no > preceding > start byte) in pattern match (m//) at > /root/.cpan/build/Jcode-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode.pm line 579 (#1) > t/tr.........FAILED tests 4-8 > Failed 5/8 tests, 37.50% okay > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------- > t/convert.t 39 15 38.46% 12-14 16 18-22 24-25 32-34 37 > t/h2z.t 6 2 33.33% 4-5 > t/new.t 34 19 55.88% 7-9 11-20 22 27-29 31-32 > t/tr.t 8 5 62.50% 4-8 > Failed 4/7 test scripts, 42.86% okay. 41/123 subtests failed, 66.67% > okay. > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 29 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > Running make for S/SN/SNOWHARE/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09.tar.gz > Is already unwrapped into directory > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09 > Has already been processed within this session > Running make test > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" > "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t > t/01_unicode_maputf8....Can't locate Jcode.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > ./blib ../blib ../lib ./lib > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/lib > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/arch > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. > Compilation failed in require at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. > t/01_unicode_maputf8....dubious > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > FAILED--1 test script could be run, alas--no output ever seen > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > cpan> > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 21 22:09:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (jim at winonacotter.org) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:09:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1087855742.40d75c7ec21f3@webmail.winonacotter.org> If you follow the tutorial I posted a week or so ago step by step you should have no problems. I do remember that when you reach the step of installing MailScanner you have to cp /var/spool/postfix /var/spool/postfix.in and then shutdown the postfix service from starting, then change some settings in each of the new and old main.cf files to reflect the changes. From then on MailScanner starts everything. I have installed 4 servers now with that same tutorial, I skip the last step of installing mysql for squirrelmail address books. I also do my standard server installs with whatever options I want instead of the "Minimal Install" that they call for. It works flawless, just make sure to follow every step by the book. There are a few steps that are easy to miss if you breeze through the tutorial so I recommend reading every part carefully and at least twice. Good Luck Quoting Rick O'Dell : > I have had to back up and start over... My clamav starts from MailScanner, > but I have found a log file, and it says "File containing list of incoming > queue dirs (/var/spool/postfix.in/defered)" does not exist. Then starts the > MailScanner E-Mail Virus scanner over again... > any ideas????? > > Rick O'Dell > Net Work Administrator > Bakersfield R4 School Dst. > Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf > Of Yancey B. Jones > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:54 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial > > > > > Thanks to all for the information. I think Squirrel > > mail is working now, (maybe, still in a test environment). > > Which brings me to my next question; Is there a way to see if > > clamav is actually getting the updates??????? > > Are you running freshclam and specifying a log file? I am using Gentoo for > my mail server so this may be different than what you need but here is my > config file and startup script: > > #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# > # Config file for /etc/init.d/clamd > > START_CLAMD=yes > CLAMD_OPTS="" > CLAMD_LOG="" > > START_FRESHCLAM=yes > FRESHCLAM_OPTS="-d -c 2" > FRESHCLAM_LOG="/var/log/clam-update.log" > #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# > > > #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# > #!/sbin/runscript > # Copyright 1999-2004 Gentoo Technologies, Inc. > # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 > # $Header: /home/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/net-mail/clamav/files/clamd.rc,v 1.4 > 2004/03/06 03:15:17 vapier Exp $ > > depend() { > need net > } > > start() { > if [ -f "/tmp/clamd" ]; then > rm -f /tmp/clamd > fi > if [ -n "${CLAMD_LOG}" -a ! -f "${CLAMD_LOG}" ]; then > touch "${CLAMD_LOG}" > chown clamav:clamav "${CLAMD_LOG}" > fi > ebegin "Starting clamd" > start-stop-daemon --start --quiet \ > --exec /usr/sbin/clamd -- ${CLAMD_OPTS} > eend $? "Failed to start clamd" > if [ -n "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" -a ! -f "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" ]; > then > touch "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" > chown clamav:clamav "${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" > FRESHCLAM_OPTS="${FRESHCLAM_OPTS} -l > ${FRESHCLAM_LOG}" > fi > ebegin "Starting freshclam" > start-stop-daemon --start --quiet \ > --exec /usr/bin/freshclam -- -d -l ${FRESHCLAM_LOG} > eend $? "Failed to start freshclam" > } > > stop() { > ebegin "Stopping clamd" > start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --name clamd > eend $? "Failed to stop clamd" > ebegin "Stopping freshclam" > start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --name freshclam > eend $? "Failed to stop freshclam" > } > #====== /etc/init.d/clamd ======# > > I can then chack the log file in /var/log/clamd which looks like this: > > > Tue Jun 15 13:15:06 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database status OK. > Tue Jun 15 16:17:16 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database modification detected. > Forcing reload. > Tue Jun 15 16:17:16 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav > Tue Jun 15 16:17:17 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21966 viruses) > Wed Jun 16 03:23:13 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database status OK. > Wed Jun 16 03:23:13 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav > Wed Jun 16 03:23:14 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21966 viruses) > Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> SelfCheck: Database modification detected. > Forcing reload. > Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav > Wed Jun 16 16:17:18 2004 -> Database correctly reloaded (21972 viruses) > > > > -Yancey > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.2 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.251 / Virus Database: 263.3.3 - Release Date: 6/18/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Jun 21 23:21:36 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:21:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Boot CD for LTSP Message-ID: <40D76D80.5010306@netscape.net> Hi, Does anyone have the link to the "universal" boot CD for thin LTSP clients. thank you norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Script from attached file is as follows: #----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- #!/bin/bash # # First, since floppyd runs as nobody, make /tmp world accessible. # chmod 777 /tmp mkdir /tmp/dev chmod 777 /tmp/dev # # Second, probe for the floppy # #modprobe scsi_mod #modprobe sg modprobe usb-storage # # Third, make the floppy world accessible. # mknod /tmp/dev/sda b 8 0 mknod /tmp/dev/sda1 b 8 1 chmod 666 /tmp/dev/sd* # # Finally, start floppyd. # floppyd -d /tmp/dev/sda1 #----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- the only change I had to make was changing 'sda & sda1' to 'sdb and sdb1' respectively, as my server runs scsi and 'sda1' was already occupied =) I've not fiddled with Wiki enough to add/submit this to the USB technical doc already there, but Gideon gave permission if someone would like. This will save thousands of floppies world-wide I'm sure! 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URL: From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 22 00:20:04 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:20:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: LDAP install instructions In-Reply-To: <20040621232204.533B5736F3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040621232204.533B5736F3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087863603.30424.96.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> If you downloaded the latest smbldap-tools 0.8.5 rpm from idealx it looks you need to adjust the instructions to allow for a few changes. http://www.idealx.org/prj/samba/dist/INSTALL says: "Change the variable name userHomePrefix to userHome in /etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf . Next uidNumber and gidNumber available are now stored in cn=NextFreeUnixId" I'll be trying David's instructions on ver 0.8.5 this evening. -john > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:46:50 -0400 > From: "Glenn Arnold" > Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions > To: > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > When I try to follow the install Unicode::MapUTF8 instructions I get the > following errors. I am trying this on Red Hat 9 which I know the > instructions are for Fedora Core2. Any ideas what might be missing from > my box besides fedora core 2 ;-) > > Thanks > -Glenn > > de-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode/Tr.pm line 27 (#2) > Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xa5, with no > preceding > start byte) in pattern match (m//) at > /root/.cpan/build/Jcode-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode.pm line 579 (#1) > t/tr.........FAILED tests 4-8 > Failed 5/8 tests, 37.50% okay > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------- > t/convert.t 39 15 38.46% 12-14 16 18-22 24-25 32-34 37 > t/h2z.t 6 2 33.33% 4-5 > t/new.t 34 19 55.88% 7-9 11-20 22 27-29 31-32 > t/tr.t 8 5 62.50% 4-8 > Failed 4/7 test scripts, 42.86% okay. 41/123 subtests failed, 66.67% > okay. > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 29 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > Running make for S/SN/SNOWHARE/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09.tar.gz > Is already unwrapped into directory > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09 > Has already been processed within this session > Running make test > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" > "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t > t/01_unicode_maputf8....Can't locate Jcode.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > ./blib ../blib ../lib ./lib > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/lib > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/arch > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. > Compilation failed in require at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. > t/01_unicode_maputf8....dubious > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > FAILED--1 test script could be run, alas--no output ever seen > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > cpan> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /archives/k12osn/attachments/20040621/9b58ef69/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:01:55 -0500 > From: jim at winonacotter.org > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1087855315.40d75ad325eaf at webmail.winonacotter.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I keep running into these errors with all sorts of perl modules. It seems to > always be related to a bug with perl. Try to issue the command > # export LANG="en_US" > at the command line and then run the install again. This has fixed every > install problem I have had with perl so far. Not exactly sure why this fixes > it but I have found the suggestion in forums on a few Google searches. > > Quoting Glenn Arnold : From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 22 01:35:32 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:35:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: LDAP install instructions In-Reply-To: <1087863603.30424.96.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> References: <20040621232204.533B5736F3@hormel.redhat.com> <1087863603.30424.96.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Message-ID: <1087868132.30424.104.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> On a wbel box I ran into the same thing. The following is from: http://www.sng.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailscanner/serve/cache/121.html "If you edit /etc/sysconfig/i18n, you can change the first line to say LANG="POSIX" and the change will take effect system-wide, the next time programs are restarted. A reboot may be the simplest way to make sure you got them all." > > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:46:50 -0400 > > From: "Glenn Arnold" > > Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions > > To: > > Message-ID: > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > When I try to follow the install Unicode::MapUTF8 instructions I get the > > following errors. I am trying this on Red Hat 9 which I know the > > instructions are for Fedora Core2. Any ideas what might be missing from > > my box besides fedora core 2 ;-) > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > > > > de-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode/Tr.pm line 27 (#2) > > Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xa5, with no > > preceding > > start byte) in pattern match (m//) at > > /root/.cpan/build/Jcode-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode.pm line 579 (#1) > > t/tr.........FAILED tests 4-8 > > Failed 5/8 tests, 37.50% okay > > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------- > > t/convert.t 39 15 38.46% 12-14 16 18-22 24-25 32-34 37 > > t/h2z.t 6 2 33.33% 4-5 > > t/new.t 34 19 55.88% 7-9 11-20 22 27-29 31-32 > > t/tr.t 8 5 62.50% 4-8 > > Failed 4/7 test scripts, 42.86% okay. 41/123 subtests failed, 66.67% > > okay. > > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 29 > > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > > Running make install > > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > Running make for S/SN/SNOWHARE/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09.tar.gz > > Is already unwrapped into directory > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09 > > Has already been processed within this session > > Running make test > > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" > > "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t > > t/01_unicode_maputf8....Can't locate Jcode.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > > ./blib ../blib ../lib ./lib > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/lib > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/arch > > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 > > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at > > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. > > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. > > Compilation failed in require at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. > > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. > > t/01_unicode_maputf8....dubious > > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > > FAILED--1 test script could be run, alas--no output ever seen > > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 > > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > > Running make install > > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > > > cpan> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: /archives/k12osn/attachments/20040621/9b58ef69/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:01:55 -0500 > > From: jim at winonacotter.org > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: <1087855315.40d75ad325eaf at webmail.winonacotter.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > I keep running into these errors with all sorts of perl modules. It seems to > > always be related to a bug with perl. Try to issue the command > > # export LANG="en_US" > > at the command line and then run the install again. This has fixed every > > install problem I have had with perl so far. Not exactly sure why this fixes > > it but I have found the suggestion in forums on a few Google searches. > > > > Quoting Glenn Arnold : > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jun 22 02:44:06 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:44:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <000f01c457d2$3965ad50$18d2a8c0@saturn> References: <000f01c457d2$3965ad50$18d2a8c0@saturn> Message-ID: <40D79CF6.2000409@inlandlakes.org> Sean wrote: > What Distro are you using with the Mac, We have a bundle "Older" Power > PCs lying about. Sorry I have't wikied yet. I used yellowdog and debian both. Yellowdog was easier to install (it does a lot by default). I noticed no performance hit in using a "bloated" distro (yellowdog) over debian. I'll try to wiki all my mac thick client experiences this week. I'll really try. Really. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jun 22 03:05:14 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:05:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Boot CD for LTSP In-Reply-To: <40D76D80.5010306@netscape.net> References: <40D76D80.5010306@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40D7A1EA.9060103@inlandlakes.org> The universal boot *floppy* is available from the k12ltsp ftp server. I think there is a wiki entry linking to it. norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have the link to the "universal" boot CD for thin LTSP clients. > > thank you > > norbert > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 22 07:38:53 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] A non-X10 solution Message-ID: <20040622073853.77144.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Recently, I was looking for a web hosting company. At one company, they had a "virtual tour" of their data center. An interesting item that they had was a power strip that contained a nic in it that allowed someone to remotely cold boot a computer, router, whatever. They could tur off and on the power to any plug remotely. I am looking for a similar item so I can reset my dsl modem at work. I know that X10 has a similar product that is able to control lites, power, and stuff but I am not a big fan of their products. Does anyone know of such a product? Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr Tue Jun 22 09:11:05 2004 From: Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr (Zouhir Hafidi) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:11:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on Sparc In-Reply-To: <40D1023E.1010901@netscape.net> References: <40D05309.4090107@netscape.net> <40D0EEFE.9050300@cmosnetworks.com> <40D1023E.1010901@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40D7F7A9.2020101@math.univ-lille1.fr> norbert a ?crit : > Hi Terrell, > > Thanks for the info, maybe I'll turn them into client machines !! ;-) > ... OK so now how do I deal with the ARP / RARP issue ? > to turn ultrasparcs into LTSP 4 clients see http://math.univ-lille1.fr/ltsp-sparc/ I don't use RARP. I use DHCP instead ZH From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Jun 22 09:49:23 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 05:49:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on Sparc In-Reply-To: <40D7F7A9.2020101@math.univ-lille1.fr> References: <40D05309.4090107@netscape.net> <40D0EEFE.9050300@cmosnetworks.com> <40D1023E.1010901@netscape.net> <40D7F7A9.2020101@math.univ-lille1.fr> Message-ID: <40D800A3.7010509@netscape.net> Salut / Hi Les stations Sparc utilise RARP pour se lancer, du moins c'est ceque les miens exige..... The Sparc stations require RARP to launch.. anyway thats what mine require. merci / thanks norbert Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr wrote: > norbert a ?crit : > >> Hi Terrell, >> >> Thanks for the info, maybe I'll turn them into client machines !! ;-) >> ... OK so now how do I deal with the ARP / RARP issue ? >> > to turn ultrasparcs into LTSP 4 clients see > http://math.univ-lille1.fr/ltsp-sparc/ > > I don't use RARP. I use DHCP instead > > ZH > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyr at wizzy.com Tue Jun 22 10:09:11 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:09:11 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Skolelinux In-Reply-To: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A6CEBE8@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> References: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A6CEBE8@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Message-ID: <20040622100911.GG1535@wizzy.com> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: > I read that the Debian based Skolelinux just hit 1.0. What I don't know > is how the two projects differ (aside from the Norwegian language > support). Have any of you experimented with Skolelinux? Why did you > choose K12LTSP in the end? I'm trying to better understand what to > expect from one vs. the other. I have installed my own thin client networks, using LTSP and a stock Redhat / Fedora server, with xfce window manager. http://wizzy.org.za/ I have also seen plenty of installs using K12LTSP - at http://www.slug.org.za/ Both of these in South Africa. K12LTSP is nice - a single box, does everything. Redhat - I am a redhat guy. However, I like the topology of Skolelinux. It has growth potential well beyond the stock K12LTSP setup, with generic application servers, and authentication and home directories kept on a separate, main, server. Skolelinux splits the network. Application servers have two network cards, one for booting and graphics to the clients, the other for authentication and home directories to the main server. Sweet. Both are Open Source. A knowledgeable administrator can /easily/ create a standalone Skolelinux network, or a distributed K12LTSP network. K12LTSP has a lot of junk on the menus - I do not need klettres - and school teachers can become confused when asked about these. I think a useful thing to do is pick a full-featured distro (either will do) and put your work into a customised set of menus. As I said, I use xfce. Cheers, Andy! From Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr Tue Jun 22 10:45:09 2004 From: Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr (Zouhir Hafidi) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:45:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on Sparc In-Reply-To: <40D800A3.7010509@netscape.net> References: <40D05309.4090107@netscape.net> <40D0EEFE.9050300@cmosnetworks.com> <40D1023E.1010901@netscape.net> <40D7F7A9.2020101@math.univ-lille1.fr> <40D800A3.7010509@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40D80DB5.5020902@math.univ-lille1.fr> norbert a ?crit : > Salut / Hi > > Les stations Sparc utilise RARP pour se lancer, du moins c'est ceque > les miens exige..... :-) > > The Sparc stations require RARP to launch.. anyway thats what mine > require. just update OpenBoot ... ZH > > > merci / thanks > > norbert > > Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr wrote: > >> norbert a ?crit : >> >>> Hi Terrell, >>> >>> Thanks for the info, maybe I'll turn them into client machines !! >>> ;-) ... OK so now how do I deal with the ARP / RARP issue ? >>> >> to turn ultrasparcs into LTSP 4 clients see >> http://math.univ-lille1.fr/ltsp-sparc/ >> >> I don't use RARP. I use DHCP instead >> >> ZH >> >> From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 22 12:59:57 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:59:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c45858$d7252a80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > "File containing list of incoming queue dirs > (/var/spool/postfix.in/defered)" does not exist. I know how typing in a hurry can get you, but above you spelled deferred with one "r". Looking at my reference tutorial it should be 2 r's as in my previous sentence. That could be enough to trip it up. Here is the link for the tutorial again http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=3647 I skip the final step for setting mysql for squirrelmail address books, I use open webmail instead. IMHO it is a much more complete and nice looking webmail, it has a calendar and webdisk as well which I set to bring users into their home directory. This solved my concerns for offsite users having to access with FTP. From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Tue Jun 22 13:41:54 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:41:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <000001c45858$d7252a80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Yes, I did find that last night, sorry my mistake.... I did however notice one of the log files shows "MailScanner E-Mail Virus Scanner version 4.30.3 starting". This message appears in the mail log every 10 seconds. It never actually says it has started. Any ideas here.... Again sorry about the typo...... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:00 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial [SNIP] > "File containing list of incoming queue dirs > (/var/spool/postfix.in/defered)" does not exist. I know how typing in a hurry can get you, but above you spelled deferred with one "r". Looking at my reference tutorial it should be 2 r's as in my previous sentence. That could be enough to trip it up. Here is the link for the tutorial again http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=3647 I skip the final step for setting mysql for squirrelmail address books, I use open webmail instead. IMHO it is a much more complete and nice looking webmail, it has a calendar and webdisk as well which I set to bring users into their home directory. This solved my concerns for offsite users having to access with FTP. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.4 - Release Date: 6/22/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.4 - Release Date: 6/22/2004 From ddaniels at magic.fr Tue Jun 22 13:35:54 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 06:35:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Skolelinux In-Reply-To: <20040622100911.GG1535@wizzy.com> References: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A6CEBE8@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> <20040622100911.GG1535@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <40D835BA.6050409@magic.fr> Andy, Could you share your menu config for your teachers/students? Are they also using XFCE? thanks, Dennis Andy Rabagliati wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: > > >>I read that the Debian based Skolelinux just hit 1.0. What I don't know >>is how the two projects differ (aside from the Norwegian language >>support). Have any of you experimented with Skolelinux? Why did you >>choose K12LTSP in the end? I'm trying to better understand what to >>expect from one vs. the other. > > > I have installed my own thin client networks, using LTSP and a stock > Redhat / Fedora server, with xfce window manager. > > http://wizzy.org.za/ > > I have also seen plenty of installs using K12LTSP - at > > http://www.slug.org.za/ > > Both of these in South Africa. > > K12LTSP is nice - a single box, does everything. > > Redhat - I am a redhat guy. > > However, I like the topology of Skolelinux. It has growth potential well > beyond the stock K12LTSP setup, with generic application servers, and > authentication and home directories kept on a separate, main, server. > > Skolelinux splits the network. Application servers have two network > cards, one for booting and graphics to the clients, the other for > authentication and home directories to the main server. Sweet. > > Both are Open Source. A knowledgeable administrator can /easily/ create > a standalone Skolelinux network, or a distributed K12LTSP network. > > K12LTSP has a lot of junk on the menus - I do not need klettres - and > school teachers can become confused when asked about these. > > I think a useful thing to do is pick a full-featured distro (either will > do) and put your work into a customised set of menus. As I said, I use xfce. > > Cheers, Andy! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 22 13:49:22 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:49:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c4585f$bc8114d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > Yes, I did find that last night, sorry my mistake.... I > did however notice one of the log files shows "MailScanner > E-Mail Virus Scanner version 4.30.3 starting". This message > appears in the mail log every 10 seconds. It never actually > says it has started. Any ideas here.... > Again sorry about the typo...... Can you start it manually with "/etc/init.d/MailScanner restart" without errors? And with the typo, was that only in your email or did your MailScanner.conf actually have the typo? I built one server one day and the next day built another and the second wouldn't work, I found comparing all of the config files line by line was the best way to fix the problem. Here are the links to the reference configs from the tutorial if you want to do a quick comparison. This was a life saver for me, as I get in a hurry and "fat finger" things all the time. /etc/postfix/main.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/main.cf.final.txt /etc/postfix/master.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/master.cf.final.txt /etc/postfix.in/main.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/main.cf.in.final.txt /etc/postfix.in/master.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/master.cf.in.final.txt /etc/MailScanner/MailScanner.conf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/MailScanner.conf.txt /etc/squirrelmail/config.php http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/config.php.txt Anything beyond that is more than I can handle. I am still very new to Linux email in general. From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Tue Jun 22 14:14:15 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:14:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <000301c4585f$bc8114d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Thank you very much for all your help. The typo was in the MailScanner conf. that was causing my problem yesterday. I will double check my config files again. A manual restart of MailScanner didn't fix my problem... Thanks again... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:49 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial > Yes, I did find that last night, sorry my mistake.... I > did however notice one of the log files shows "MailScanner > E-Mail Virus Scanner version 4.30.3 starting". This message > appears in the mail log every 10 seconds. It never actually > says it has started. Any ideas here.... > Again sorry about the typo...... Can you start it manually with "/etc/init.d/MailScanner restart" without errors? And with the typo, was that only in your email or did your MailScanner.conf actually have the typo? I built one server one day and the next day built another and the second wouldn't work, I found comparing all of the config files line by line was the best way to fix the problem. Here are the links to the reference configs from the tutorial if you want to do a quick comparison. This was a life saver for me, as I get in a hurry and "fat finger" things all the time. /etc/postfix/main.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/main.cf.final.txt /etc/postfix/master.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/master.cf.final.txt /etc/postfix.in/main.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/main.cf.in.final.txt /etc/postfix.in/master.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/master.cf.in.final.txt /etc/MailScanner/MailScanner.conf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/MailScanner.conf.txt /etc/squirrelmail/config.php http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/config.php.txt Anything beyond that is more than I can handle. I am still very new to Linux email in general. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.4 - Release Date: 6/22/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.4 - Release Date: 6/22/2004 From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Tue Jun 22 14:17:20 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:17:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] file upload with php (squirrelmail and other) Message-ID: this one is pulling out my hair. Working with file uploads and php --- in part with SquirrelMail and also on a custom script I am writing another server. The SquirrelMail server is running RH9, Apache 2.0.40 and php 4.2.2. When a user goes to upload a file as an attachment SM reports back Cannot move/copy file. The SM wiki (http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/en_US/DirectoryPermissionsProblem ) talks about permissions and modifying the php.ini. Both I am pretty sure I have set right. In /etc/php.ini I have file_upload = On and in /etc/squirrelmail/config.php I have the attachment directory set to /var/spool/squirrelmail/attach/ which is owned and writeable by apache. Still doesn't work. I put SM on the back burner for awhile, actually I had forgotten about it, until just recently when I started working on another program (mini photo gallery with file uploads and php). Different server this one is a RH AS3 box running Apache 2.0.46 and php 4.3.2 Checked /etc/php.ini file_upload = On I've tried changing the file upload location to /tmp and also /tmp/uploads. I've tried perms on /tmp/uploads of 777 and ownership to apache. in this case no error, things just don't happen. I've restarted httpd after every change to php.ini. I am befuddled and sure I am missing something stupid and obvious, but I can't see it. I appreciate any suggestions - Scott From wiz8 at mac.com Tue Jun 22 14:28:28 2004 From: wiz8 at mac.com (Paul Vittorino) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:28:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A non-X10 solution In-Reply-To: <20040622073853.77144.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040622073853.77144.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6E08D03B-C458-11D8-BF54-000393099F68@mac.com> On Jun 22, 2004, at 2:38 AM, Chris Thomas wrote: > Hello, > > Recently, I was looking for a web hosting company. At > one company, they had a "virtual tour" of their data > center. An interesting item that they had was a power > strip that contained a nic in it that allowed someone > to remotely cold boot a computer, router, whatever. > They could tur off and on the power to any plug > remotely. I am looking for a similar item so I can > reset my dsl modem at work. I know that X10 has a > similar product that is able to control lites, power, > and stuff but I am not a big fan of their products. > Does anyone know of such a product? > > Chris > APC makes such a thing. Quite pricey though. From their web site: " APC?s Switched Rack Power Distribution Units (PDUs) are premium solutions to many of the power management problems seen in today?s IT environments. Some of the problems are unauthorized use of power outlets, locked-up equipment, in-rush current, overloaded circuits, and the need of remote access to power outlets in the rack. The Switched Rack PDUs address these problems through individual outlet control, power on and off delays, current monitoring, alarm thresholds, and network management. Individual outlet control allows users to turn outlets on, turn outlets off, or recycle power to equipment, which can reboot locked-up equipment and avoid unauthorized use of outlets. Power delays allow users to determine the order in which equipment is powered up or down. Utilizing the power delay feature will avoid in-rush current, which can cause overloads. Monitoring the current draw at the rack level is key to avoiding downtime due to overloaded circuits. The Switched Rack PDUs provide an aggregate current draw, which can be viewed remotely or locally, via digital display. In addition, alarms will be generated based on user-defined thresholds to alert users of potential circuit overloads (NOTE: Currently available on select models only. Please see feature list for availablity per SKU). Users can access, configure, and control the Switched Rack PDUs through Web, SNMP, or Telnet Interfaces." http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=70 Paul From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jun 22 15:11:23 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:11:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bigmem Message-ID: <40D84C1B.1030005@inlandlakes.org> As I send out the PO for our new servers with 6GB of RAM -- I recall an issue with the bigmem kernel... Is that still a problem? I'm not sure if K12LTSP 4.1 will be available when I need to install my servers for next year -- but if it solves a bigmem issue in 4.0.1, it might help me make the decision to go now or wait... :) Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From williamm at timbercon.com Tue Jun 22 15:18:36 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William J McCloskey) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:18:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] file upload with php (squirrelmail and other) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200406220815561.SM02160@GYRO> What's the exact error your getting? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sherrill Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:17 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] file upload with php (squirrelmail and other) this one is pulling out my hair. Working with file uploads and php --- in part with SquirrelMail and also on a custom script I am writing another server. The SquirrelMail server is running RH9, Apache 2.0.40 and php 4.2.2. When a user goes to upload a file as an attachment SM reports back Cannot move/copy file. The SM wiki (http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/en_US/DirectoryPermissionsProblem ) talks about permissions and modifying the php.ini. Both I am pretty sure I have set right. In /etc/php.ini I have file_upload = On and in /etc/squirrelmail/config.php I have the attachment directory set to /var/spool/squirrelmail/attach/ which is owned and writeable by apache. Still doesn't work. I put SM on the back burner for awhile, actually I had forgotten about it, until just recently when I started working on another program (mini photo gallery with file uploads and php). Different server this one is a RH AS3 box running Apache 2.0.46 and php 4.3.2 Checked /etc/php.ini file_upload = On I've tried changing the file upload location to /tmp and also /tmp/uploads. I've tried perms on /tmp/uploads of 777 and ownership to apache. in this case no error, things just don't happen. I've restarted httpd after every change to php.ini. I am befuddled and sure I am missing something stupid and obvious, but I can't see it. I appreciate any suggestions - Scott _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 22 15:22:37 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:22:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] file upload with php (squirrelmail and other) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c4586c$c2df41a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > I appreciate any suggestions - Probably not the suggestion you are looking for but I love OpenWebmail from www.openwebmail.org. All the functions worked right out of the box for me and I think it has a much more refined look. But Squirellmail seems to be the most popular suggestion. It shouldn't take more than a hour or so to get OWM working the first time. If you don't want to scrap SM you can run both at the same time until you decide which you want to use permanently. Hey, you said "any" :-) From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Tue Jun 22 15:25:26 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:25:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] file upload with php (squirrelmail and other) In-Reply-To: <000d01c4586c$c2df41a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000d01c4586c$c2df41a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: > > I appreciate any suggestions - > >Probably not the suggestion you are looking for but I love OpenWebmail >from www.openwebmail.org. All the functions worked right out of the box >for me and I think it has a much more refined look. But Squirellmail >seems to be the most popular suggestion. It shouldn't take more than a >hour or so to get OWM working the first time. If you don't want to >scrap SM you can run both at the same time until you decide which you >want to use permanently. > >Hey, you said "any" :-) > :-) I do appreciate the suggestion Jim. Scott From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Tue Jun 22 15:25:33 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:25:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] file upload with php (squirrelmail and other) In-Reply-To: <200406220815561.SM02160@GYRO> References: <200406220815561.SM02160@GYRO> Message-ID: Could not move/copy file. File not attached is what SM reports back. >What's the exact error your getting? > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of Scott Sherrill >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:17 AM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: [K12OSN] file upload with php (squirrelmail and other) > >this one is pulling out my hair. > >Working with file uploads and php --- in part with SquirrelMail and >also on a custom script I am writing another server. > >The SquirrelMail server is running RH9, Apache 2.0.40 and php 4.2.2. >When a user goes to upload a file as an attachment SM reports back >Cannot move/copy file. > >The SM wiki >(http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/en_US/DirectoryPermissionsProblem ) >talks about permissions and modifying the php.ini. Both I am pretty >sure I have set right. > >In /etc/php.ini I have file_upload = On and in >/etc/squirrelmail/config.php I have the attachment directory set to >/var/spool/squirrelmail/attach/ which is owned and writeable by >apache. > >Still doesn't work. > >I put SM on the back burner for awhile, actually I had forgotten >about it, until just recently when I started working on another >program (mini photo gallery with file uploads and php). > >Different server this one is a RH AS3 box running Apache 2.0.46 and php >4.3.2 >Checked /etc/php.ini file_upload = On I've tried changing the file >upload location to /tmp and also /tmp/uploads. > >I've tried perms on /tmp/uploads of 777 and ownership to apache. > >in this case no error, things just don't happen. > >I've restarted httpd after every change to php.ini. > >I am befuddled and sure I am missing something stupid and obvious, >but I can't see it. > >I appreciate any suggestions - > > >Scott > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Tue Jun 22 15:26:36 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Bigmem In-Reply-To: <40D84C1B.1030005@inlandlakes.org> References: <40D84C1B.1030005@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1156.216.216.170.211.1087917996.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > As I send out the PO for our new servers with 6GB of RAM -- I recall an > issue with the bigmem kernel... Is that still a problem? > > I'm not sure if K12LTSP 4.1 will be available when I need to install my > servers for next year -- but if it solves a bigmem issue in 4.0.1, it > might help me make the decision to go now or wait... :) > Shawn, just make sure it is a 64bit mobo that can handle large memory natively, otherwise you go into the grey area of "faking" the big memory. i hear that some people had great success with it, my experience was uniformly dismal on rh7.2 throug 9.0 and fedora 1 and 2 - the system is slower and experiences random lockups. ymmv. julius From andyr at wizzy.com Tue Jun 22 15:29:25 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:29:25 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Skolelinux In-Reply-To: <40D835BA.6050409@magic.fr> References: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A6CEBE8@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> <20040622100911.GG1535@wizzy.com> <40D835BA.6050409@magic.fr> Message-ID: <20040622152925.GN1535@wizzy.com> On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Dennis Daniels wrote: > Andy, > Could you share your menu config for your teachers/students? Are they > also using XFCE? > thanks, > Dennis I do not consider it optimal - but here is my config file. 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--follow World maps help /usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/FreeIcons/apps/globe.png More maps xftree /usr/share/wizzy-maps More maps /usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/FreeIcons/apps/globe.png Dr Genius drgenius Dr Genius /usr/share/pixmaps/drgenius.png Periodic Table gperiodic Periodic Table /usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/noia/mimetypes/info.png Units converter gonvert Units converter /usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/xfce/Xfcalc.png Sun Clock sunclock -map -menu Sun Clock /usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/FreeIcons/apps/clock.png Sunclock help gmsgp --file /usr/share/doc/sunclock-3.50pre1/README Sunclock help /usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/FreeIcons/apps/clock.png Space Chart spacechart Space Chart /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/apps/background.png Spacechart help gmsgp --file /usr/share/doc/spacechart/README Spacechart help /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/apps/background.png Planets tkxplanet -window Planets /usr/X11R6/share/xplanet/images/shuttle.png Planets Help xftree /usr/share/xplanet/images Planets Help /usr/X11R6/share/xplanet/images/shuttle.png Ephemeris xephem Ephemeris /usr/X11R6/share/pixmaps/xephem.png sunclock -map -menu sunclock -map -menu /usr/share/icons/sunclock2.xpm Audio Player xmms Audio Player /usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/Crystal/apps/xmms_classic.png Movie Player mplayer Movie Player /usr/share/xfce/icons/audio.png xmms xmms /usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/Crystal/apps/xmms_classic.png Notepad gedit Notepad PDF Viewer xpdf PDF Viewer /usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/FreeIcons/mimetypes/pdf.png Desktop Publisher scribus Desktop Publisher /usr/share/pixmaps/scribusicon.png Spreadsheet gnumeric Spreadsheet /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-gnumeric.png Word Processor AbiWord Word Processor /usr/share/xfce/icons/TextEditor.xpm Personal Finance Manager gnucash Personal Finance Manager /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-money.png International Keyboard gnome-character-map International Keyboard /usr/share/pixmaps/gucharmap.png Typing Tutorial ktouch Typing Tutorial /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps/ktouch.png AbiWord AbiWord /usr/share/AbiSuite-2.0/icons/abiword_48.png From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jun 22 15:34:21 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:34:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bigmem In-Reply-To: <1156.216.216.170.211.1087917996.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> References: <40D84C1B.1030005@inlandlakes.org> <1156.216.216.170.211.1087917996.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> Message-ID: <40D8517D.8000409@inlandlakes.org> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Shawn, just make sure it is a 64bit mobo that can handle large memory > natively, otherwise you go into the grey area of "faking" the big memory. Unfortunately, they are 32bit dual xeon MBs. Perhaps I'll keep the 4GB in my main LTSP server -- and experiment with the 6GB in one of the application server (ie, the server that only runs OpenOffice) Oh well 4GB is still a lot of ram, and I have 2 other servers that would love to usurp the 2GB... Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From andyr at wizzy.com Tue Jun 22 15:35:07 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:35:07 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040622153507.GO1535@wizzy.com> On Mon, 24 May 2004, Les Bell wrote: > > "Shahms E. King" wrote: > > While I agree with everything you say, in a school environment, kids (and > staff) will use different computers from day to day, Mozilla's lack of > support for roaming profiles is a killer. A lot of folks make the mistake of giving /computers/ a login (pc03) instead of giving /users/ a login (andyr). Do the latter. No problem with profiles. Newer gdm tells you if someone else is logged in as the same user. Cheers, Andy! From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Jun 22 16:38:18 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine Message-ID: <12116807.1087922298000.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx Thanks Pat From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Tue Jun 22 16:19:26 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:19:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <12116807.1087922298000.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> References: <12116807.1087922298000.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> Message-ID: <40D85C0E.5040504@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> jconlon1 wrote: >Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my >school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest >computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows >machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an >internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx >Thanks >Pat > > putty: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ I keep a copy on a USB key so I can always have it with me. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Tue Jun 22 16:45:53 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:45:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: LDAP install instructions Message-ID: The LANG="POSIX" setting was the problem I was able to run the Perl install for the Unicode. Now I have another problem when I start ldap I get the following error when I try to start ldap. /usr/local/libexec/slapd: error while loading shared libraries: libdb-4.2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I believe the problem is symbolic link, but I not sure where to make the link. Any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:36 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: LDAP install instructions On a wbel box I ran into the same thing. The following is from: http://www.sng.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailscanner/serve/cache/121.html "If you edit /etc/sysconfig/i18n, you can change the first line to say LANG="POSIX" and the change will take effect system-wide, the next time programs are restarted. A reboot may be the simplest way to make sure you got them all." > > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:46:50 -0400 > > From: "Glenn Arnold" > > Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions > > To: > > Message-ID: > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > When I try to follow the install Unicode::MapUTF8 instructions I get the > > following errors. I am trying this on Red Hat 9 which I know the > > instructions are for Fedora Core2. Any ideas what might be missing from > > my box besides fedora core 2 ;-) > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > > > > de-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode/Tr.pm line 27 (#2) > > Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xa5, with no > > preceding > > start byte) in pattern match (m//) at > > /root/.cpan/build/Jcode-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode.pm line 579 (#1) > > t/tr.........FAILED tests 4-8 > > Failed 5/8 tests, 37.50% okay > > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------- > > t/convert.t 39 15 38.46% 12-14 16 18-22 24-25 32-34 37 > > t/h2z.t 6 2 33.33% 4-5 > > t/new.t 34 19 55.88% 7-9 11-20 22 27-29 31-32 > > t/tr.t 8 5 62.50% 4-8 > > Failed 4/7 test scripts, 42.86% okay. 41/123 subtests failed, 66.67% > > okay. > > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 29 > > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > > Running make install > > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > Running make for S/SN/SNOWHARE/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09.tar.gz > > Is already unwrapped into directory > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09 > > Has already been processed within this session > > Running make test > > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" > > "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t > > t/01_unicode_maputf8....Can't locate Jcode.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > > ./blib ../blib ../lib ./lib > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/lib > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/arch > > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 > > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at > > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. > > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. > > Compilation failed in require at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. > > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. > > t/01_unicode_maputf8....dubious > > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > > FAILED--1 test script could be run, alas--no output ever seen > > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 > > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > > Running make install > > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > > > cpan> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: /archives/k12osn/attachments/20040621/9b58ef69/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:01:55 -0500 > > From: jim at winonacotter.org > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: <1087855315.40d75ad325eaf at webmail.winonacotter.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > I keep running into these errors with all sorts of perl modules. It seems to > > always be related to a bug with perl. Try to issue the command > > # export LANG="en_US" > > at the command line and then run the install again. This has fixed every > > install problem I have had with perl so far. Not exactly sure why this fixes > > it but I have found the suggestion in forums on a few Google searches. > > > > Quoting Glenn Arnold : > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Jun 22 16:56:52 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:56:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bigmem In-Reply-To: <40D84C1B.1030005@inlandlakes.org> References: <40D84C1B.1030005@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1087923412.20817.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 10:11, Shawn Powers wrote: > As I send out the PO for our new servers with 6GB of RAM -- I recall an > issue with the bigmem kernel... Is that still a problem? > > I'm not sure if K12LTSP 4.1 will be available when I need to install my > servers for next year -- but if it solves a bigmem issue in 4.0.1, it > might help me make the decision to go now or wait... :) I'm running an in-house application instead of k12ltsp, but I've got several dual-xeon boxes with an RH9 base and kernel 2.4.20-19.9bigmem #1 SMP with 300+ days of uptime now. I haven't seen any problems with the memory size. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue Jun 22 17:06:21 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:06:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] A non-X10 solution In-Reply-To: <20040622073853.77144.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040622073853.77144.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1087923980.8219.56.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 00:38, Chris Thomas wrote: > An interesting item that they had was a power > strip that contained a nic in it that allowed someone > to remotely cold boot a computer, router, whatever. > They could tur off and on the power to any plug > remotely. > Does anyone know of such a product? I have seen items like this advertised in a lot of admin / geek magazines like Sys Admin, Linux Journal, and the like. I imagine perusing one of those would yield results. Also a google search for "remote power control" returned what look to be a lot relevant results. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Tue Jun 22 17:49:16 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:49:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions Message-ID: Thanks for the info! Last thing John posted with the "If you edit /etc/sysconfig/i18n, you can change the first line to say LANG="POSIX" fixed the problem. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: jim at winonacotter.org [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 6:02 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions I keep running into these errors with all sorts of perl modules. It seems to always be related to a bug with perl. Try to issue the command # export LANG="en_US" at the command line and then run the install again. This has fixed every install problem I have had with perl so far. Not exactly sure why this fixes it but I have found the suggestion in forums on a few Google searches. Quoting Glenn Arnold : > When I try to follow the install Unicode::MapUTF8 instructions I get the > following errors. I am trying this on Red Hat 9 which I know the > instructions are for Fedora Core2. Any ideas what might be missing from > my box besides fedora core 2 ;-) > > Thanks > -Glenn > > de-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode/Tr.pm line 27 (#2) > Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xa5, with no > preceding > start byte) in pattern match (m//) at > /root/.cpan/build/Jcode-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode.pm line 579 (#1) > t/tr.........FAILED tests 4-8 > Failed 5/8 tests, 37.50% okay > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------- > t/convert.t 39 15 38.46% 12-14 16 18-22 24-25 32-34 37 > t/h2z.t 6 2 33.33% 4-5 > t/new.t 34 19 55.88% 7-9 11-20 22 27-29 31-32 > t/tr.t 8 5 62.50% 4-8 > Failed 4/7 test scripts, 42.86% okay. 41/123 subtests failed, 66.67% > okay. > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 29 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > Running make for S/SN/SNOWHARE/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09.tar.gz > Is already unwrapped into directory > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09 > Has already been processed within this session > Running make test > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" > "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t > t/01_unicode_maputf8....Can't locate Jcode.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > ./blib ../blib ../lib ./lib > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/lib > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/arch > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. > Compilation failed in require at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. > t/01_unicode_maputf8....dubious > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > FAILED--1 test script could be run, alas--no output ever seen > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > cpan> > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Tue Jun 22 17:59:07 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:59:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question Message-ID: I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure samba BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it would be easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have some concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in a production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any Opinions? Thanks -Glenn From csitech at davisny.edu Tue Jun 22 18:24:54 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:24:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1087928694.15928.11.camel@localhost> Currently we're running FC2 in a "pre-production" test server that has ended up getting some pretty heavy use and is actually running a Jabber server for internal office IM. At the moment it's also running Egroupware and Moodle (as well as Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc). It's on an old PIII 650...and a Compaq at that. :P But, it does run fine, and I haven't had any problems with FC2 since the install. It's only been up for 28 days though. We're planning on using FC2 in a few full production boxes come this fall. So, I have some faith in it. Of course, if my little pre-production server died this afternoon I would cry all that much. The only real problem I've had with FC2 was when I tried to do an upgrade from FC1...I had a few issues with KDE on the box that I upgraded. But I've since just wiped it and done a fresh FC2 install. Since then I haven't had any problems. So, I'm not sure I'd upgrade a production box to FC2 at this point, simply because I've had some trouble with the upgrade. However, I'd certainly plan on phasing in FC2 over FC1 on any box where I could do a fresh install. Hope this helps. -Calvin On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 13:59, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure samba > BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my > samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it would be > easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have some > concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using > Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my > home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in a > production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any > Opinions? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Tue Jun 22 18:33:54 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:33:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question Message-ID: Thanks Calvin that helps. I have Old Compaq Proliant 7000 Dual Processor 450MHZ PII with a 1.5GB Ram Raid 5 which is the Samba 3 PDC. All the server does s file and print services, dhcp, and dns. I have an imaging server which is very similar except it is Compaq Proliant 6000 that I can test the an upgrade and see what happens. If it mess up KDE I would not cry to much is long as I could fix it some time. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Calvin Park [mailto:csitech at davisny.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 2:25 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question Currently we're running FC2 in a "pre-production" test server that has ended up getting some pretty heavy use and is actually running a Jabber server for internal office IM. At the moment it's also running Egroupware and Moodle (as well as Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc). It's on an old PIII 650...and a Compaq at that. :P But, it does run fine, and I haven't had any problems with FC2 since the install. It's only been up for 28 days though. We're planning on using FC2 in a few full production boxes come this fall. So, I have some faith in it. Of course, if my little pre-production server died this afternoon I would cry all that much. The only real problem I've had with FC2 was when I tried to do an upgrade from FC1...I had a few issues with KDE on the box that I upgraded. But I've since just wiped it and done a fresh FC2 install. Since then I haven't had any problems. So, I'm not sure I'd upgrade a production box to FC2 at this point, simply because I've had some trouble with the upgrade. However, I'd certainly plan on phasing in FC2 over FC1 on any box where I could do a fresh install. Hope this helps. -Calvin On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 13:59, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure samba > BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my > samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it would be > easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have some > concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using > Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my > home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in a > production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any > Opinions? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Jun 22 18:48:19 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:48:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Bigmem In-Reply-To: <40D8517D.8000409@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: ... sorry to butt in here ... I have a dual Xeon 2.4Ghz server with 4Gb of RAM installed. The BIOS tells me it is all there, but KDE's control center tells me that there is only 3.32Gb RAM. Do I need to be running the BIGMEM kernel? what is the cutoff above which the BIGMEM kernel is necessary? Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:34 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bigmem Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Shawn, just make sure it is a 64bit mobo that can handle large memory > natively, otherwise you go into the grey area of "faking" the big memory. Unfortunately, they are 32bit dual xeon MBs. Perhaps I'll keep the 4GB in my main LTSP server -- and experiment with the 6GB in one of the application server (ie, the server that only runs OpenOffice) Oh well 4GB is still a lot of ram, and I have 2 other servers that would love to usurp the 2GB... Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Jun 22 18:45:24 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:45:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <12116807.1087922298000.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> Message-ID: You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed and running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a terminal. Login as root ... away you go ... Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of jconlon1 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Tue Jun 22 19:14:11 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:14:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <000001c45858$d7252a80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Looks like I'm starting over again, I thought I might try this openweb mail. Is there any tricks to the install???? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:00 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial [SNIP] > "File containing list of incoming queue dirs > (/var/spool/postfix.in/defered)" does not exist. I know how typing in a hurry can get you, but above you spelled deferred with one "r". Looking at my reference tutorial it should be 2 r's as in my previous sentence. That could be enough to trip it up. Here is the link for the tutorial again http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=3647 I skip the final step for setting mysql for squirrelmail address books, I use open webmail instead. IMHO it is a much more complete and nice looking webmail, it has a calendar and webdisk as well which I set to bring users into their home directory. This solved my concerns for offsite users having to access with FTP. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.4 - Release Date: 6/22/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.4 - Release Date: 6/22/2004 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jun 22 19:00:56 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:00:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bigmem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003301c4588b$3f89a420$1803010a@paasda.org> Joe, I got the same funkiness... 4 gig .. but only reporting 3.7 mines is a dual xeon 3Ghz tho...I's gunna be max'n this baby out here in a couple months... see what I can do to crumble the server to it's knees... will be testing with Gnome/Kde/Icewm...provided I can find 60+ kids to come in for a day and "play" on the computers... =) Just don't think I'm going to let them all play chess at once though... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Joe Guenther Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:48 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Bigmem ... sorry to butt in here ... I have a dual Xeon 2.4Ghz server with 4Gb of RAM installed. The BIOS tells me it is all there, but KDE's control center tells me that there is only 3.32Gb RAM. Do I need to be running the BIGMEM kernel? what is the cutoff above which the BIGMEM kernel is necessary? Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Tue Jun 22 18:59:29 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:59:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] file upload with php (squirrelmail and other) In-Reply-To: References: <200406220815561.SM02160@GYRO> Message-ID: Slowly cutting down the errors. I updated to SM 1.4.3, it said file uploading wasn't enabled. I checked and I SWEAR I checked before but it was turned off. Chalk up the SquirrelMail problem to an id10t error. Sorry. >Could not move/copy file. File not attached >is what SM reports back. > > > >>What's the exact error your getting? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >>Of Scott Sherrill >>Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:17 AM >>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>Subject: [K12OSN] file upload with php (squirrelmail and other) >> >>this one is pulling out my hair. >> >>Working with file uploads and php --- in part with SquirrelMail and >>also on a custom script I am writing another server. >> >>The SquirrelMail server is running RH9, Apache 2.0.40 and php 4.2.2. >>When a user goes to upload a file as an attachment SM reports back >>Cannot move/copy file. >> >>The SM wiki >>(http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/en_US/DirectoryPermissionsProblem ) >>talks about permissions and modifying the php.ini. Both I am pretty >>sure I have set right. >> >>In /etc/php.ini I have file_upload = On and in >>/etc/squirrelmail/config.php I have the attachment directory set to >>/var/spool/squirrelmail/attach/ which is owned and writeable by >>apache. >> >>Still doesn't work. >> >>I put SM on the back burner for awhile, actually I had forgotten >>about it, until just recently when I started working on another >>program (mini photo gallery with file uploads and php). >> >>Different server this one is a RH AS3 box running Apache 2.0.46 and php >>4.3.2 >>Checked /etc/php.ini file_upload = On I've tried changing the file >>upload location to /tmp and also /tmp/uploads. >> >>I've tried perms on /tmp/uploads of 777 and ownership to apache. >> >>in this case no error, things just don't happen. >> >>I've restarted httpd after every change to php.ini. >> >>I am befuddled and sure I am missing something stupid and obvious, >>but I can't see it. >> >>I appreciate any suggestions - >> >> >>Scott >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The response time is very good. julius From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 22 19:24:38 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: 22 Jun 2004 15:24:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question In-Reply-To: <20040622182505.E030673F61@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040622182505.E030673F61@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087932277.3445.38.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.org> I'm having the same debate. There was a lot of discussion a while back on the move to Fedora and I will need to read through the archives. I am planning on moving our 2 K12LTSP servers over to Fedora this summer but am holding back for a while in hopes of installing K12LTSP 4.1.0 we start back on Aug 6 so it might end up being 4.0.1. As to retiring our NT 4.0 pdc in favor of Linux SAMB/LDAP I'm leaning toward WBEL or purchasing RHEL heck they practically give it away to schools. I'm not quite up on the implications of Fedora vs. WBELL but this is on my research/reading list for tonight. -John > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:59:07 -0400 > From: "Glenn Arnold" > Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > To: > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure samba > BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my > samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it would be > easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have some > concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using > Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my > home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in a > production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any > Opinions? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:24:54 -0400 > From: Calvin Park > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1087928694.15928.11.camel at localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Currently we're running FC2 in a "pre-production" test server that has > ended up getting some pretty heavy use and is actually running a Jabber > server for internal office IM. At the moment it's also running > Egroupware and Moodle (as well as Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc). It's on an > old PIII 650...and a Compaq at that. :P But, it does run fine, and I > haven't had any problems with FC2 since the install. It's only been up > for 28 days though. We're planning on using FC2 in a few full production > boxes come this fall. So, I have some faith in it. Of course, if my > little pre-production server died this afternoon I would cry all that > much. > > The only real problem I've had with FC2 was when I tried to do an > upgrade from FC1...I had a few issues with KDE on the box that I > upgraded. But I've since just wiped it and done a fresh FC2 install. > Since then I haven't had any problems. So, I'm not sure I'd upgrade a > production box to FC2 at this point, simply because I've had some > trouble with the upgrade. However, I'd certainly plan on phasing in FC2 > over FC1 on any box where I could do a fresh install. Hope this helps. > > -Calvin > > On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 13:59, Glenn Arnold wrote: > > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure samba > > BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my > > samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it would be > > easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have some > > concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using > > Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my > > home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in a > > production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any > > Opinions? > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Jun 22 19:29:09 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:29:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D88885.1080306@elp.rr.com> I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that not even the administrator can access some of. Joe Guenther wrote: >You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed and >running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a terminal. > >Login as root ... away you go ... > >Joe Guenther >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = >LANtech - Didsbury >Chinook's Edge School Div. > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of jconlon1 >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine > > >Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my >school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest >computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows >machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an >internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx >Thanks >Pat > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Jun 22 19:35:07 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:35:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rc.local file Message-ID: <40D889EB.1080405@elp.rr.com> I went looking for the rc.local file in my K12LTSP 4.0.1 and couldn't find it. Has it been move or incorporated into something else? Is there some other file that is doing that job and if so what is it and whee is it located? Thanks Pat From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 22 19:43:49 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:43:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003d01c45891$405f5bf0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > Looks like I'm starting over again, I thought I might > try this openweb mail. Is there any tricks to the install???? Here are my notes from my install. I followed documentation from OWM's site http://www.openwebmail.org/openwebmail/download/redhat/rpm/packages/rhel 3/00HOWTO.TXT and then just made notes along the way for what packages I installed and my steps. If I remember right just following the steps below should get you rocking: Downloaded these packages: http://www.openwebmail.org/openwebmail/download/redhat/rpm/packages/rhel 3/perl-CGI-2.81-88.4.i386.rpm http://www.openwebmail.org/openwebmail/download/redhat/rpm/packages/rhel 3/perl-Compress-Zlib-1.21-RH9.i386.rpm http://www.openwebmail.org/openwebmail/download/redhat/rpm/packages/rhel 3/perl-perl-suidperl-5.8.0-88.i386.rpm http://www.openwebmail.org/openwebmail/download/redhat/rpm/packages/rhel 3/perl-Text-Iconv-1.2-RH80.i386.rpm http://www.openwebmail.org/openwebmail/download/redhat/rpm/release/openw ebmail-2.32-1.i386.rpm Installed them with #rpm -Uvh package in the order listed above. Run #/var/www/cgi-bin/openwebmail/etc/openwebmail-tool.pl --init And make suggested changes, then rerun. Modify /var/www/cgi-bin/openwebmail/etc/openwebmail.conf And set the "domainnames" variable to reflect "yourdomain.com" Access with http://yourdomain.com/cgi-bin/openwebmail/openwebmail.pl If all is well I create a simple redirect page to make easier access with code from their FAQ page: A: Please create a file, index.html, like below. Then put this index.html to the location mapped by the url you want. ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- That should be it. There are a plethora of options to the setup, once installed you may want to just scroll through the openwebmail.conf just to familiarize yourself with the options. The default location of the WebDisk is to /home/user/WebDisk, I changed this in the openwebmail.conf to /home/user/ so our users don't get confused, I want them to see the same stuff both places. In the Linux world, I haven't seen much simpler than this :-) From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jun 22 19:46:25 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:46:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rc.local file In-Reply-To: <40D889EB.1080405@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <003b01c45891$9a8f47c0$1803010a@paasda.org> run 'updatedb' at the commandline then run 'locate rc.local' at the commandline after the updatedb finishes... depending on system updatedb can take a good while =) 5 min+ =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John P. Conlon Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 12:35 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] rc.local file I went looking for the rc.local file in my K12LTSP 4.0.1 and couldn't find it. Has it been move or incorporated into something else? Is there some other file that is doing that job and if so what is it and whee is it located? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Tue Jun 22 19:48:22 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:48:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question Message-ID: I am also in the process of replacing the old NT 4.0 domain with a Samba. Is the Redhat subscription yearly? WBEL looks interesting, but I need to make a decision soon? One thing on the Redhat Enterprise Edition they do not advertise LDAP as service that runs on it. Which I know you should be able to install it with no problems, but if I am going to pay Redhat I would like some of the configuration work done for me. Thanks John! -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 3:25 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question I'm having the same debate. There was a lot of discussion a while back on the move to Fedora and I will need to read through the archives. I am planning on moving our 2 K12LTSP servers over to Fedora this summer but am holding back for a while in hopes of installing K12LTSP 4.1.0 we start back on Aug 6 so it might end up being 4.0.1. As to retiring our NT 4.0 pdc in favor of Linux SAMB/LDAP I'm leaning toward WBEL or purchasing RHEL heck they practically give it away to schools. I'm not quite up on the implications of Fedora vs. WBELL but this is on my research/reading list for tonight. -John > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:59:07 -0400 > From: "Glenn Arnold" > Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > To: > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure samba > BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my > samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it would be > easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have some > concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using > Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my > home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in a > production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any > Opinions? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:24:54 -0400 > From: Calvin Park > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1087928694.15928.11.camel at localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Currently we're running FC2 in a "pre-production" test server that has > ended up getting some pretty heavy use and is actually running a Jabber > server for internal office IM. At the moment it's also running > Egroupware and Moodle (as well as Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc). It's on an > old PIII 650...and a Compaq at that. :P But, it does run fine, and I > haven't had any problems with FC2 since the install. It's only been up > for 28 days though. We're planning on using FC2 in a few full production > boxes come this fall. So, I have some faith in it. Of course, if my > little pre-production server died this afternoon I would cry all that > much. > > The only real problem I've had with FC2 was when I tried to do an > upgrade from FC1...I had a few issues with KDE on the box that I > upgraded. But I've since just wiped it and done a fresh FC2 install. > Since then I haven't had any problems. So, I'm not sure I'd upgrade a > production box to FC2 at this point, simply because I've had some > trouble with the upgrade. However, I'd certainly plan on phasing in FC2 > over FC1 on any box where I could do a fresh install. Hope this helps. > > -Calvin > > On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 13:59, Glenn Arnold wrote: > > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure samba > > BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my > > samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it would be > > easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have some > > concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using > > Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my > > home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in a > > production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any > > Opinions? > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lewis at pcc.com Tue Jun 22 20:24:00 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:24:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gconf again Message-ID: <18B6B24E-C48A-11D8-BB2E-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> I'm going to be hairless very soon. I have been plugging away at this for a day now with still no luck. I used gconftool-2 to set a mandatory rule for gnome-terminal. I want to disable F1 for all users as we use the function keys within a program. I don't want to have each user edit their own setting. The mandatory setting did get applied. As when I open a gnome-terminal and check the Keyboard settings Help is set disabled (was F1 by default). The problem is that if I hit F1 the help viewer still comes up. I have googled this and see many people ask the same question, but no solutions other that have the individual users update their own settings. Am I the only person who needs this stupid help option disabled? has anybody found a global solution? Thanks in advance Lewis From mross at esd165.org Tue Jun 22 20:45:49 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matt Ross) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:45:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP and MacOS X Server Message-ID: <40D89A7D.4080904@esd165.org> Greetings, I'm having some trouble with my K12LTSP 4.0.1 authentication. I'm attempting to authenticate against a MacOS X Server (Version 10.3.4) using LDAP. I was looking in the archives for some help, and I found a great email from Eric Harrison on this very subject: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-March/msg00072.html So, I followed the instructions as close as I could. There have been some changes since that article had been posted. Most things I was able to figure out without much trouble. So here's the catch: I can now login to my K12LTSP server using users from the MacOS X's LDAP. But if I try to login as a LDAP user from one of the LTSP clients, it tells me "Wrong Username or Password". Shouldn't the redhat-config-authentication utility resolve this like it does for the local console? Any help would be appreciated. --Matt From jim at rossberry.com Tue Jun 22 20:59:15 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rc.local file In-Reply-To: <003b01c45891$9a8f47c0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003b01c45891$9a8f47c0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of John P. Conlon > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 12:35 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] rc.local file > > > I went looking for the rc.local file in my K12LTSP 4.0.1 and couldn't > find it. Has it been move or incorporated into something else? Is > there some other file that is doing that job and if so what is it and > whee is it located? > Thanks > Pat You may have to create it. /etc/rc.d/rc.local ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Our political way of life is by the laws of nature, of nature's God, and of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon man, preceding all institutions of human society and government." John Quincy Adamns From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jun 22 22:22:51 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:22:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question In-Reply-To: <20040622205149.2600173236@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040622205149.2600173236@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087942971.17745.99.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Glen, >From : http://www.redhat.com/solutions/industries/education/products/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS Academic Edition Supported by leading ISV applications... Capabilities range from network infrastructure serving for DNS and DHCP through Web Server deployments. Common usages: Small-medium web, file and print configurations, Databases, ERP, CRM, Applications Includes: amanda-server, arptables_jf, bind, caching-nameserver, dhcp, freeradius, inews, inn, krb5-server, netdump-server, openldap-servers, pxe, quagga, radvd, rarpd, redhat-config-bind, redhat-config-netboot, tftp-server, tux, vsftpd, ypserv, Apache, Samba, NFS " -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I see openldap-servers so it looks like it's covered. I have installed SambaLDAP per David Trasks nice how-to on both Fedora Core 2 and WBEL respin 1. I couldn't get directory-administrator (One of my requirements is to have a gui front end) to load on FC 2 (dependency hell). So far everything is looking good on WBEL. But I don't know how many people are actively maintaining WBEL. 50.00 RHEL might be the way to go for us but, I'm still considering Fedora because that is the track K12LTSP is on and I don't like the idea of going here and there for updates. As it is now we are NT, K12LTSP ver 3.1, Fedora Core 1, SME, and smoothwall. I'd love to get everything to one distro :-) -John > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:48:22 -0400 > From: "Glenn Arnold" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am also in the process of replacing the old NT 4.0 domain with a > Samba. Is the Redhat subscription yearly? WBEL looks interesting, but > I need to make a decision soon? One thing on the Redhat Enterprise > Edition they do not advertise LDAP as service that runs on it. Which I > know you should be able to install it with no problems, but if I am > going to pay Redhat I would like some of the configuration work done for > me. Thanks John! > > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 3:25 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > > I'm having the same debate. There was a lot of discussion a while back > on the move to Fedora and I will need to read through the archives. > > I am planning on moving our 2 K12LTSP servers over to Fedora this summer > but am holding back for a while in hopes of installing K12LTSP 4.1.0 we > start back on Aug 6 so it might end up being 4.0.1. > > As to retiring our NT 4.0 pdc in favor of Linux SAMB/LDAP I'm leaning > toward WBEL or purchasing RHEL heck they practically give it away to > schools. I'm not quite up on the implications of Fedora vs. WBELL but > this is on my research/reading list for tonight. > > -John > > > > > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:59:07 -0400 > > From: "Glenn Arnold" > > Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > > To: > > Message-ID: > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure > samba > > BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my > > samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it would > be > > easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have > some > > concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using > > Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my > > home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in a > > production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any > > Opinions? > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:24:54 -0400 > > From: Calvin Park > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: <1087928694.15928.11.camel at localhost> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > Currently we're running FC2 in a "pre-production" test server that has > > ended up getting some pretty heavy use and is actually running a > Jabber > > server for internal office IM. At the moment it's also running > > Egroupware and Moodle (as well as Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc). It's on an > > old PIII 650...and a Compaq at that. :P But, it does run fine, and I > > haven't had any problems with FC2 since the install. It's only been up > > for 28 days though. We're planning on using FC2 in a few full > production > > boxes come this fall. So, I have some faith in it. Of course, if my > > little pre-production server died this afternoon I would cry all that > > much. > > > > The only real problem I've had with FC2 was when I tried to do an > > upgrade from FC1...I had a few issues with KDE on the box that I > > upgraded. But I've since just wiped it and done a fresh FC2 install. > > Since then I haven't had any problems. So, I'm not sure I'd upgrade a > > production box to FC2 at this point, simply because I've had some > > trouble with the upgrade. However, I'd certainly plan on phasing in > FC2 > > over FC1 on any box where I could do a fresh install. Hope this helps. > > > > -Calvin > > > > On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 13:59, Glenn Arnold wrote: > > > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure > samba > > > BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my > > > samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it > would be > > > easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have > some > > > concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using > > > Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my > > > home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in > a > > > production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any > > > Opinions? > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Glenn > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Tue Jun 22 22:40:30 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:40:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question Message-ID: John, just bought a copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux to evaluate for $50.00 the price is hard to beat. I am installing it now. Did you build your own samba installation or do you use a rpm install with wbel? Because, I am currently using a RPM from the Samba site version 3.04 for Red Hat 9. I will see if Redhat update updates there Samba to that version. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 6:23 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question Glen, >From : http://www.redhat.com/solutions/industries/education/products/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS Academic Edition Supported by leading ISV applications... Capabilities range from network infrastructure serving for DNS and DHCP through Web Server deployments. Common usages: Small-medium web, file and print configurations, Databases, ERP, CRM, Applications Includes: amanda-server, arptables_jf, bind, caching-nameserver, dhcp, freeradius, inews, inn, krb5-server, netdump-server, openldap-servers, pxe, quagga, radvd, rarpd, redhat-config-bind, redhat-config-netboot, tftp-server, tux, vsftpd, ypserv, Apache, Samba, NFS " ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- I see openldap-servers so it looks like it's covered. I have installed SambaLDAP per David Trasks nice how-to on both Fedora Core 2 and WBEL respin 1. I couldn't get directory-administrator (One of my requirements is to have a gui front end) to load on FC 2 (dependency hell). So far everything is looking good on WBEL. But I don't know how many people are actively maintaining WBEL. 50.00 RHEL might be the way to go for us but, I'm still considering Fedora because that is the track K12LTSP is on and I don't like the idea of going here and there for updates. As it is now we are NT, K12LTSP ver 3.1, Fedora Core 1, SME, and smoothwall. I'd love to get everything to one distro :-) -John > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:48:22 -0400 > From: "Glenn Arnold" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am also in the process of replacing the old NT 4.0 domain with a > Samba. Is the Redhat subscription yearly? WBEL looks interesting, but > I need to make a decision soon? One thing on the Redhat Enterprise > Edition they do not advertise LDAP as service that runs on it. Which I > know you should be able to install it with no problems, but if I am > going to pay Redhat I would like some of the configuration work done for > me. Thanks John! > > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 3:25 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > > I'm having the same debate. There was a lot of discussion a while back > on the move to Fedora and I will need to read through the archives. > > I am planning on moving our 2 K12LTSP servers over to Fedora this summer > but am holding back for a while in hopes of installing K12LTSP 4.1.0 we > start back on Aug 6 so it might end up being 4.0.1. > > As to retiring our NT 4.0 pdc in favor of Linux SAMB/LDAP I'm leaning > toward WBEL or purchasing RHEL heck they practically give it away to > schools. I'm not quite up on the implications of Fedora vs. WBELL but > this is on my research/reading list for tonight. > > -John > > > > > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:59:07 -0400 > > From: "Glenn Arnold" > > Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > > To: > > Message-ID: > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure > samba > > BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my > > samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it would > be > > easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have > some > > concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using > > Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my > > home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in a > > production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any > > Opinions? > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:24:54 -0400 > > From: Calvin Park > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: <1087928694.15928.11.camel at localhost> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > Currently we're running FC2 in a "pre-production" test server that has > > ended up getting some pretty heavy use and is actually running a > Jabber > > server for internal office IM. At the moment it's also running > > Egroupware and Moodle (as well as Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc). It's on an > > old PIII 650...and a Compaq at that. :P But, it does run fine, and I > > haven't had any problems with FC2 since the install. It's only been up > > for 28 days though. We're planning on using FC2 in a few full > production > > boxes come this fall. So, I have some faith in it. Of course, if my > > little pre-production server died this afternoon I would cry all that > > much. > > > > The only real problem I've had with FC2 was when I tried to do an > > upgrade from FC1...I had a few issues with KDE on the box that I > > upgraded. But I've since just wiped it and done a fresh FC2 install. > > Since then I haven't had any problems. So, I'm not sure I'd upgrade a > > production box to FC2 at this point, simply because I've had some > > trouble with the upgrade. However, I'd certainly plan on phasing in > FC2 > > over FC1 on any box where I could do a fresh install. Hope this helps. > > > > -Calvin > > > > On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 13:59, Glenn Arnold wrote: > > > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure > samba > > > BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my > > > samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it > would be > > > easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have > some > > > concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using > > > Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my > > > home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in > a > > > production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any > > > Opinions? > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Glenn > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Jun 22 22:46:51 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:46:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <40D88885.1080306@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: You can run the VNC viewer from a diskette (288kb in size) or a network drive or a USBdrive .... it does not need an installation on the windows machine - just on the LTSP side the VNC server has to be installed and started. greetings joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John P. Conlon Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:29 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that not even the administrator can access some of. Joe Guenther wrote: >You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed and >running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a terminal. > >Login as root ... away you go ... > >Joe Guenther >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = >LANtech - Didsbury >Chinook's Edge School Div. > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of jconlon1 >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine > > >Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my >school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest >computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows >machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an >internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx >Thanks >Pat > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 22 23:22:53 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Skolelinux In-Reply-To: <40D72D5A.4030507@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: >distro. I'm a Debian man through and through. LTSP will work on Debian >just fine, but so much work has gone into the K12LTSP distro, that its >just silly not to use it. > >Thank goodness it's open source and we get to choose, eh? :) > Choice is good, but freedom is even better. Not only are we free to choose one or the other, we are free to take the best ideas from one and incorporate them in the other. I have one school district, for example, that is interested in looking at Xandros. Since Xandros is based on Debian, I'm going to evaluate Xandros and Skolelinux at the same time. If I can take the best work in K12LTSP and Skolelinux and easily add it into Xandros, I could, in theory, have something useful in a very short order. The freedom to leverage a "competitors" work is very powerful, the sum is greater than the parts. -Eric From ddaniels at magic.fr Tue Jun 22 23:48:23 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:48:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] XDM too many retransmissions Message-ID: <40D8C547.8020004@magic.fr> Hello, I just tried loading FC1 on my network and got XDM too many retransmission errors on my cilents. I found this link: http://204.182.52.180/fom-serve/cache/46.html on the fix... and this one here: http://204.182.52.180/fom-serve/cache/3.html I was just wondering if anyone had encountered same XDM errors with K12LTSP 4 and if yes, what did you do to fix it? I've got a grab bag of monitors and hardware. I backed out to RH9 and manually loaded LTSP and most of my monitors are back but I'm getting other errors which many thanks Dennis From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jun 23 01:35:16 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:35:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Skolelinux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >If I can take the best work >in K12LTSP and Skolelinux and easily add it into Xandros, I could, in >theory, have something useful in a very short order. You will of course share this right? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ddaniels at magic.fr Wed Jun 23 01:39:10 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:39:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D8DF3E.3030203@magic.fr> This litte tidbit has been wikified: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AAccess%3ANonLTSPClients dgd Joe Guenther wrote: > You can run the VNC viewer from a diskette (288kb in size) or a network > drive or a USBdrive .... it does not need an installation on the windows > machine - just on the LTSP side the VNC server has to be installed and > started. > > greetings > joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of John P. Conlon > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:29 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine > > > I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because > they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that > not even the administrator can access some of. > > Joe Guenther wrote: > > >>You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed and >>running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a terminal. >> >>Login as root ... away you go ... >> >>Joe Guenther >>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>LANtech - Didsbury >>Chinook's Edge School Div. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>Behalf Of jconlon1 >>Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM >>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine >> >> >>Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my >>school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest >>computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows >>machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an >>internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx >>Thanks >>Pat >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 23 01:50:34 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:50:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services Message-ID: <40D8E1EA.3030300@inlandlakes.org> Paul, et all: I grow increasingly worried as my servers are traveling to my district... No one (including Microsoft) seems to be able to give me an accurate picture of performance with many folks connected to a Microsoft terminal services machine. Paul's setup at Riverdale has 100 computers all able to access the server -- but I doubt all 100 are usually connected. I'll mainly have folks using Microsoft Office (grumble grumble) and our proprietary student management system, which isn't really that big. Does ANYONE have any idea how many concurrent connections a big server can handle? I just found out today (again, showing my lack of Microsoft experience) that there is no version of windows that can even try to access more than 4GB of RAM in a server. That worries me. I have 1 Server, with dual 3.2Ghz/2MB Cache Xeons, and 6GB (only 4 usable now...) of RAM, all running on a RAID 5 ULTRA320 array, and dual Gig ethernet. I just couldn't think of anything more to throw at it for performance! Any advice or experiences would be appreciated. Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Jun 23 03:04:42 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:04:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <40D8DF3E.3030203@magic.fr> References: <40D8DF3E.3030203@magic.fr> Message-ID: <40D8F34A.3010009@elp.rr.com> VNC is nice unless the security program on the Windows machine will not allow you to access anything except certain given file types and those needed for VNC are not among them. If I could do it with a browser I could probably make that work. If I knew how. Thanks Pat Dennis Daniels wrote: > This litte tidbit has been wikified: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AAccess%3ANonLTSPClients > > > dgd > > Joe Guenther wrote: > >> You can run the VNC viewer from a diskette (288kb in size) or a network >> drive or a USBdrive .... it does not need an installation on the windows >> machine - just on the LTSP side the VNC server has to be installed and >> started. >> >> greetings >> joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >> Behalf Of John P. Conlon >> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:29 PM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine >> >> >> I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because >> they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that >> not even the administrator can access some of. >> >> Joe Guenther wrote: >> >> >>> You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed >>> and >>> running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a >>> terminal. >>> >>> Login as root ... away you go ... >>> >>> Joe Guenther >>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>> LANtech - Didsbury >>> Chinook's Edge School Div. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>> Behalf Of jconlon1 >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM >>> To: k12osn at redhat.com >>> Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine >>> >>> >>> Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part >>> of my >>> school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the >>> nearest >>> computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a >>> Windows >>> machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine >>> on an >>> internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx >>> Thanks >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Jun 23 03:11:56 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:11:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question In-Reply-To: <20040622205149.2600173236@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040622205149.2600173236@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087960316.18814.52.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Glen, I used the samba and ldap that came with WBEL Respin 1 [root at littlewhite root]# rpm -qa | grep ldap nss_ldap-207-10 openldap-servers-2.0.27-11 openldap-devel-2.0.27-11 openldap-clients-2.0.27-11 openldap-2.0.27-11 smbldap-tools-0.8.5-1 [root at littlewhite root]# rpm -qa | grep samba samba-client-3.0.2-6.3E samba-3.0.2-6.3E redhat-config-samba-1.0.16-1 I installed: perl-Convert-ASN1-0.18-0.rhel3.dag.noarch.rpm perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-2.noarch.rpm perl-Net-LDAP-0.2701-1.dag.rhel3.noarch.rpm I installed directory_administrator-1.5.1-1.i386.rpm after building from the source rpm. For the most part I followed David's instructions. If you use ver 0.8.5 of the smbldap-tools read the change log. I downloaded the documentation at Idealx on smbldap-tools and smbldap-how-to. very useful. I used their perl script /user/share/doc/smbldap-tools/configure.pl It configured most of the smbldap.conf based on my already working smb.conf but I still needed to tweak it. I also installed perl modules via CPAN as per David's How-to and installed the gnome-devel packages to satisfy the dependencies when installing directory_administrator. Verdict still out on this tool. John --------------------------------------------------------------- John, just bought a copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux to evaluate for $50.00 the price is hard to beat. I am installing it now. Did you build your own samba installation or do you use a rpm install with wbel? Because, I am currently using a RPM from the Samba site version 3.04 for Red Hat 9. I will see if Redhat update updates there Samba to that version. Thanks -Glenn From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Jun 23 04:34:51 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:34:51 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <12116807.1087922298000.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> References: <12116807.1087922298000.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> Message-ID: <1087965290.1260.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> VNC works well. I used it to remotely control / setup WIN boxes AND connect to my LTSP server anywher on campus. I suggest using one of the secure VNC versions like TightVNC. Check out some of the registry hacks available for VNC on the ORL website. Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 04:38, jconlon1 wrote: > Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my > school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest > computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows > machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an > internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Jun 23 04:36:30 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:36:30 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <40D88885.1080306@elp.rr.com> References: <40D88885.1080306@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1087965389.1260.11.camel@rolston.localdomain> I take it you can't run it from a floppy / USB pen drive? VNC fits on a 720k floppy. Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 07:29, John P. Conlon wrote: > I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because > they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that > not even the administrator can access some of. > > Joe Guenther wrote: > > >You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed and > >running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a terminal. > > > >Login as root ... away you go ... > > > >Joe Guenther > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >LANtech - Didsbury > >Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > >Behalf Of jconlon1 > >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM > >To: k12osn at redhat.com > >Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine > > > > > >Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my > >school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest > >computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows > >machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an > >internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx > >Thanks > >Pat > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed Jun 23 04:43:21 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:43:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <40D8F34A.3010009@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: Pat, Do you have webmin installed on the server? This allows you to configure just about anything on the server. It also has a file manager so one can transfer / edit files on the server as well. Webmin is simply installed .... it turns itself on ... then take a web browser and go to https://server.domain.com:10000 ... login and do what you need to. Is that maybe an option that you could use? Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John P. Conlon Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:05 PM To: ddaniels at magic.fr; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine VNC is nice unless the security program on the Windows machine will not allow you to access anything except certain given file types and those needed for VNC are not among them. If I could do it with a browser I could probably make that work. If I knew how. Thanks Pat Dennis Daniels wrote: > This litte tidbit has been wikified: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AAccess%3ANonLTSPClients > > > dgd > > Joe Guenther wrote: > >> You can run the VNC viewer from a diskette (288kb in size) or a network >> drive or a USBdrive .... it does not need an installation on the windows >> machine - just on the LTSP side the VNC server has to be installed and >> started. >> >> greetings >> joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >> Behalf Of John P. Conlon >> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:29 PM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine >> >> >> I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because >> they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that >> not even the administrator can access some of. >> >> Joe Guenther wrote: >> >> >>> You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed >>> and >>> running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a >>> terminal. >>> >>> Login as root ... away you go ... >>> >>> Joe Guenther >>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>> LANtech - Didsbury >>> Chinook's Edge School Div. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>> Behalf Of jconlon1 >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM >>> To: k12osn at redhat.com >>> Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine >>> >>> >>> Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part >>> of my >>> school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the >>> nearest >>> computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a >>> Windows >>> machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine >>> on an >>> internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx >>> Thanks >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Jun 23 04:44:40 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:44:40 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <40D8F34A.3010009@elp.rr.com> References: <40D8DF3E.3030203@magic.fr> <40D8F34A.3010009@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1087965880.1260.20.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Joe, You should be able to access it from a web browser. Check out the VNC website. Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 15:04, John P. Conlon wrote: > VNC is nice unless the security program on the Windows machine will not > allow you to access anything except certain given file types and those > needed for VNC are not among them. If I could do it with a browser I > could probably make that work. If I knew how. > Thanks > Pat > > Dennis Daniels wrote: > > > This litte tidbit has been wikified: > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AAccess%3ANonLTSPClients > > > > > > dgd > > > > Joe Guenther wrote: > > > >> You can run the VNC viewer from a diskette (288kb in size) or a network > >> drive or a USBdrive .... it does not need an installation on the windows > >> machine - just on the LTSP side the VNC server has to be installed and > >> started. > >> > >> greetings > >> joe > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > >> Behalf Of John P. Conlon > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:29 PM > >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine > >> > >> > >> I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because > >> they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that > >> not even the administrator can access some of. > >> > >> Joe Guenther wrote: > >> > >> > >>> You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed > >>> and > >>> running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a > >>> terminal. > >>> > >>> Login as root ... away you go ... > >>> > >>> Joe Guenther > >>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >>> LANtech - Didsbury > >>> Chinook's Edge School Div. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > >>> Behalf Of jconlon1 > >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM > >>> To: k12osn at redhat.com > >>> Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine > >>> > >>> > >>> Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part > >>> of my > >>> school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the > >>> nearest > >>> computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a > >>> Windows > >>> machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine > >>> on an > >>> internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx > >>> Thanks > >>> Pat > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jun 23 05:13:39 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:13:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL Message-ID: <40D91183.8010803@mindfirestudios.com> I was thinking about putting RHEL3 on our school's server. My only question is how well Eric intends to support it (will it get all the packages that the FC versions are getting) and whether this will be supported over up2date (or will I have to run apt for the K12LTSP stuff and up2date for the RHEL stuff? Any answers/thoughts would be appreciated. From dave at bardacious.com Wed Jun 23 05:32:35 2004 From: dave at bardacious.com (David Maier) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:32:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: <40D8E1EA.3030300@inlandlakes.org> References: <40D8E1EA.3030300@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40D915F3.4010705@bardacious.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > Paul, et all: > > I grow increasingly worried as my servers are traveling to my > district... No one (including Microsoft) seems to be able to give me > an accurate picture of performance with many folks connected to a > Microsoft terminal services machine. > > Paul's setup at Riverdale has 100 computers all able to access the > server -- but I doubt all 100 are usually connected. I'll mainly have > folks using Microsoft Office (grumble grumble) and our proprietary > student management system, which isn't really that big. > > Does ANYONE have any idea how many concurrent connections a big server > can handle? I just found out today (again, showing my lack of > Microsoft experience) that there is no version of windows that can > even try to access more than 4GB of RAM in a server. That worries me. > > I have 1 Server, with dual 3.2Ghz/2MB Cache Xeons, and 6GB (only 4 > usable now...) of RAM, all running on a RAID 5 ULTRA320 array, and > dual Gig ethernet. I just couldn't think of anything more to throw at > it for performance! > > Any advice or experiences would be appreciated. > Thanks, > -Shawn > > Shawn- I, too, was skeptical about terminal services, but have been quite surprised. The implementation I use is not as intensive by 1/3. We have 35 simultaneous connections maximum. But we're running a Dell PowerEdge 400 SC with a single processor and 2 Gb of RAM on a 40 Gb hard drive, on 100Meg ethernet, and there are no speed problems whatever running Windows Server 2000. The biggest problems have occurred with handling some off beat applications. We are still running a couple of DOS programs which completely dominate the processor. However, there is a program called "Tame" or "TameDOS" which manages processor useage by DOS apps in Terminal Services, which has been a lifesaver. Another app, "ThinPrint", has been a life saver for reducing processor load in printing. I can't make guarantees about 100 connections, but gauging the hardware firepower you are using, I would bet you'll be ok. I do know of a firm which has set up parallel terminal servers for load balancing, but I don't know the circumstances which caused them to do it. Dave Maier From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Wed Jun 23 10:44:56 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:44:56 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services fails References: <40D8E1EA.3030300@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <012101c4590f$1fb147f0$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Can anyone shed any light as to why when i put session = rdesktop on one of mu clients (as a test) to get an rdesktop session off of a win2k3 server it fails everytime. Complains about inet6 yada yada. Sorry but am not at the terminal as we speak so dont know exactly. Kind Regards From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Wed Jun 23 12:14:52 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:14:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question Message-ID: John, One thing I noticed when installing the Redhat ES is it is using openldap version 2.0.27-11 which if I am not mistaken based off 1.X Ldap instead of 2.0. How does this effect Samba? Redhat wants a clean install of the ES version which I am not against, but I have my Samba server upgraded to 3.04 and what comes with ES is only 3.02E. Hopefully this version is patched for the printing issue in Samba 3.02 that is the reason I am running 3.04 beside the security patch. I feel to migrate my settings to a new server that I will have to upgrade Samba 3.04 to successfully migrate my users and groups that in Samba. Thanks, Glenn -----Original Message----- From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:12 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question Glen, I used the samba and ldap that came with WBEL Respin 1 [root at littlewhite root]# rpm -qa | grep ldap nss_ldap-207-10 openldap-servers-2.0.27-11 openldap-devel-2.0.27-11 openldap-clients-2.0.27-11 openldap-2.0.27-11 smbldap-tools-0.8.5-1 [root at littlewhite root]# rpm -qa | grep samba samba-client-3.0.2-6.3E samba-3.0.2-6.3E redhat-config-samba-1.0.16-1 I installed: perl-Convert-ASN1-0.18-0.rhel3.dag.noarch.rpm perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-2.noarch.rpm perl-Net-LDAP-0.2701-1.dag.rhel3.noarch.rpm I installed directory_administrator-1.5.1-1.i386.rpm after building from the source rpm. For the most part I followed David's instructions. If you use ver 0.8.5 of the smbldap-tools read the change log. I downloaded the documentation at Idealx on smbldap-tools and smbldap-how-to. very useful. I used their perl script /user/share/doc/smbldap-tools/configure.pl It configured most of the smbldap.conf based on my already working smb.conf but I still needed to tweak it. I also installed perl modules via CPAN as per David's How-to and installed the gnome-devel packages to satisfy the dependencies when installing directory_administrator. Verdict still out on this tool. John --------------------------------------------------------------- John, just bought a copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux to evaluate for $50.00 the price is hard to beat. I am installing it now. Did you build your own samba installation or do you use a rpm install with wbel? Because, I am currently using a RPM from the Samba site version 3.04 for Red Hat 9. I will see if Redhat update updates there Samba to that version. Thanks -Glenn _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Jun 23 12:30:03 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:30:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question In-Reply-To: <20040623044107.B93737397D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040623044107.B93737397D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087993803.18814.70.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Glen, I must defer to the experts on this one. I'll need to read up on this printing issue. John --------------------------------------------------------------- John, One thing I noticed when installing the Redhat ES is it is using openldap version 2.0.27-11 which if I am not mistaken based off 1.X Ldap instead of 2.0. How does this effect Samba? Redhat wants a clean install of the ES version which I am not against, but I have my Samba server upgraded to 3.04 and what comes with ES is only 3.02E. Hopefully this version is patched for the printing issue in Samba 3.02 that is the reason I am running 3.04 beside the security patch. I feel to migrate my settings to a new server that I will have to upgrade Samba 3.04 to successfully migrate my users and groups that in Samba. Thanks, Glenn From faengoy at yahoo.com Wed Jun 23 12:34:35 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <20040623044107.D0BB973A44@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040623123436.96756.qmail@web20729.mail.yahoo.com> I was sure that, in the hundred messages about rmote access, someone would mention this, but noone did. Get Webmin installed on the server. You can fix most things through its interface, or, in a pinch, can use its java based ssh client right from your browser and never have to carry a disk/usb keychain or install anything on the machine you're accessing the server from. Peace Dan ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Jun 23 12:59:38 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine Message-ID: <16682216.1087995578828.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> Our district is so tight that the left hand keeps secrets from the right hand. Floppy and USB key drives are out because the security won't accept anything that is an executable program type file. These turkeys have even got boot security so you can't start from a floppy or other removable media. >On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:36:30 1200 Bert Rolston wrote. >I take it you can't run it from a floppy / USB pen drive? > >VNC fits on a 720k floppy. > >Cheers, >Bert > >On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 07:29, John P. Conlon wrote: >> I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because >> they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that >> not even the administrator can access some of. >> >> Joe Guenther wrote: >> >> >You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed and >> >running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a terminal. >> > >> >Login as root ... away you go ... >> > >> >Joe Guenther >> >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> >LANtech - Didsbury >> >Chinook's Edge School Div. >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >> >Behalf Of jconlon1 >> >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM >> >To: k12osn at redhat.com >> >Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine >> > >> > >> >Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my >> >school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest >> >computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows >> >machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an >> >internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx >> >Thanks >> >Pat >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >For more info see >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >For more info see >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >-- >================================== >Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. >Mobile - 027 264 0851 >================================== >Specialising in system support >alternative solutions and >Linux operating system >================================== > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From lewis at pcc.com Wed Jun 23 12:54:54 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:54:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XDM too many retransmissions In-Reply-To: <40D8C547.8020004@magic.fr> References: <40D8C547.8020004@magic.fr> Message-ID: <85DD9C75-C514-11D8-8ADD-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Dennis, Yes I ran into this problem when I set up a test network. I solved the problem by replacing my 10/100 hub with a switch. I just went to the local "SuperCircuitBestCityBuyStapples" and grabed an inexpensive 8 port switch to test the theory. The problem went away. Lewis On Jun 22, 2004, at 7:48 PM, Dennis Daniels wrote: > Hello, > I just tried loading FC1 on my network and got XDM too many > retransmission errors on my cilents. > > I found this link: > http://204.182.52.180/fom-serve/cache/46.html > on the fix... and this one here: > http://204.182.52.180/fom-serve/cache/3.html > > I was just wondering if anyone had encountered same XDM errors with > K12LTSP 4 and if yes, what did you do to fix it? I've got a grab bag > of monitors and hardware. I backed out to RH9 and manually loaded LTSP > and most of my monitors are back but I'm getting other errors which > > many thanks > Dennis > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Jun 23 13:23:42 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:23:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XDM too many retransmissions In-Reply-To: <85DD9C75-C514-11D8-8ADD-000A95D9C522@pcc.com>; from lewis@pcc.com on Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 08:54:54AM -0400 References: <40D8C547.8020004@magic.fr> <85DD9C75-C514-11D8-8ADD-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <20040623092342.A8525@redline.comcast.net> Re-ordered to show actual order of postings: > On Jun 22, 2004, at 7:48 PM, Dennis Daniels wrote: > > Hello, > > I just tried loading FC1 on my network and got XDM too many > > retransmission errors on my cilents. > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 08:54:54AM -0400, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Dennis, > > Yes I ran into this problem when I set up a test network. I solved the > problem by replacing my 10/100 hub with a switch. I just went to the > local "SuperCircuitBestCityBuyStapples" and grabed an inexpensive 8 > port switch to test the theory. The problem went away. > > Lewis Hey Lewis, couild tell us which switch you got and how much it was? (I always like to have a little extra info about what costs what and where, thanks. ) -- Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 23 15:01:58 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:01:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <16682216.1087995578828.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> References: <16682216.1087995578828.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> Message-ID: <1088002918.23511.64.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 07:59, jconlon1 wrote: > Our district is so tight that the left hand keeps secrets from the right > hand. Floppy and USB key drives are out because the security won't accept > anything that is an executable program type file. If you allow inbound ssh over the internet to your server, there are a number of cell phones/pda's that will let you connect from literally anywhere. I use a Sprint treo600 with a free third party ssh program. It is painful to type on the tiny keyboard but it sometimes beats driving twenty miles to fix something. There is also a PPTP VPN client (not free) and a VNC client (free, but I need the VPN to reach my machines so I don't use it). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Wed Jun 23 15:20:53 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (xyz xyz) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NIS help Message-ID: <20040623152053.76179.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> I am attempting to get NIS up and running as master on server1 (acting as samba server) and as slave on server 2 (acting as ltsp server). I understood that having NIS would help me keep users and groups in sync - I followed all the instructions on the HOW TO - but i'm not seeing the passwd files on the slave looking the same as master. also, on server1 which runs samba and authenticates all windows users i have a /shares directory containing directories for managers, admins, instructors and students and have created netlogon scripts that map to these drives - depending on who the user is. eg, user xyz belongs to group manager and has access to /home/xyz, /shares/manager, /shares/admins, /shares/instructors this is all great, but when i want to allow user xyz to use a terminal that uses server2(ltsp) to login he needs to be able to see his /home (which i have mounted as nfs - so this works) as well as needs to have access to the /shares - not sure how to do this part. your help is much appreciated - (eagerly learning linux) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From williamm at timbercon.com Wed Jun 23 15:34:51 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William McCloskey) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:34:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing Windows Applications to the desktop Message-ID: Has anyone here tried using Tarantella Secure Global Desktop to share windows applications through LTSP? For those who don't know, Tarantella Secure Global Desktop is a Citrix like interface though the initial base software was designed around UNIX so it might be great for the purpose of using Microsoft office via LTSP. It's reasonably cheap too. Best Regards, William J -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lewis at pcc.com Wed Jun 23 16:30:27 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:30:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XDM too many retransmissions In-Reply-To: <20040623092342.A8525@redline.comcast.net> References: <40D8C547.8020004@magic.fr> <85DD9C75-C514-11D8-8ADD-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <20040623092342.A8525@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: Sure can Jeff, I picked up a Netgear 8 port FS608 from Best Buy for $69.00 pre rebate. I do not plan on using this for anything other than testing my little clusters. I just completed an install where we used existing equipment. I had to add two switches. They are made made by SignaMax http://www.signamax.com We picked them up from shields electronics for $200.00 each. Model F0-065-7341. I am quite sure they are unmanaged. The manual is on CD. I only looked to see which port can be used for stacking them. The answer was all of them. Hope that helps Lewis On Jun 23, 2004, at 9:23 AM, Jeff Kinz wrote: > Re-ordered to show actual order of postings: > >> On Jun 22, 2004, at 7:48 PM, Dennis Daniels wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I just tried loading FC1 on my network and got XDM too many >>> retransmission errors on my cilents. >>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 08:54:54AM -0400, Lewis Holcroft wrote: >> Dennis, >> >> Yes I ran into this problem when I set up a test network. I solved the >> problem by replacing my 10/100 hub with a switch. I just went to the >> local "SuperCircuitBestCityBuyStapples" and grabed an inexpensive 8 >> port switch to test the theory. The problem went away. >> >> Lewis > > Hey Lewis, couild tell us which switch you got and how much it was? > (I always like to have a little extra info about what costs what and > where, thanks. ) > > -- > Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Jun 23 16:36:30 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:36:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS help In-Reply-To: <20040623160033.B27F8743DD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040623160033.B27F8743DD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1088008590.29259.38.camel@phoenix> For NIS, the /etc/passwd file will never change on server2. Run the command "getent passwd" That is the correct way to query the password/user list and make sure you have all the users (it uses nis, ldap, etc when available). If this doesn't work, you aren't setup/connected via NIS properly. Now for the /share directory... the simplest route would be to nfs mount /share on server2 just like you did /home. Then the users will be able to browse to /share and have access to their directory. You will want to make sure that your permissions are correct on the other directories... otherwise people will be able to access them and possibly write/delete files in them. A good check would be to use an instructors login under windows and type this in the run box: "//server2/manager"... basically you want to check to see that people who shouldn't have access can't get to it manually... if they can, then your UNIX file permissions are not tight enough. I just recently upgraded my fileserver to Fedora Core 2 so I can use Acess Control Lists (ACLs) now. I once had all my user directories accessible by everyone else.... oops.... Hope this helps. Henry From: xyz xyz Reply-To: Support list for opensource software in schools. To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] NIS help Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:20:53 -0700 (PDT) I am attempting to get NIS up and running as master on server1 (acting as samba server) and as slave on server 2 (acting as ltsp server). I understood that having NIS would help me keep users and groups in sync - I followed all the instructions on the HOW TO - but i'm not seeing the passwd files on the slave looking the same as master. also, on server1 which runs samba and authenticates all windows users i have a /shares directory containing directories for managers, admins, instructors and students and have created netlogon scripts that map to these drives - depending on who the user is. eg, user xyz belongs to group manager and has access to /home/xyz, /shares/manager, /shares/admins, /shares/instructors this is all great, but when i want to allow user xyz to use a terminal that uses server2(ltsp) to login he needs to be able to see his /home (which i have mounted as nfs - so this works) as well as needs to have access to the /shares - not sure how to do this part. your help is much appreciated - (eagerly learning linux) From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 23 17:33:11 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:33:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <16682216.1087995578828.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> Message-ID: <005001c45948$283202a0$1803010a@paasda.org> I have a nifty little laptop I use to solve problems like that =) it's called a Libretto from Toshiba =) it's about 1/2 the size of your average textbook mine runs win '95 and unless they are draconian about their DHCP as well, just plug into network boot and voila =) just "slightly" larger than a usb jump drive =) or you might get one of those new snazzy Zaurus handheld jobbies from Sharp! --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jconlon1 Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:00 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine Our district is so tight that the left hand keeps secrets from the right hand. Floppy and USB key drives are out because the security won't accept anything that is an executable program type file. These turkeys have even got boot security so you can't start from a floppy or other removable media. >On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:36:30 1200 Bert Rolston > wrote. >I take it you can't run it from a floppy / USB pen drive? > >VNC fits on a 720k floppy. > >Cheers, >Bert > >On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 07:29, John P. Conlon wrote: >> I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because >> they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that >> not even the administrator can access some of. >> >> Joe Guenther wrote: >> >> >You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed >> >and running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as >> >a terminal. >> > >> >Login as root ... away you go ... >> > >> >Joe Guenther >> >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> >LANtech - Didsbury >> >Chinook's Edge School Div. >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >> >Behalf Of jconlon1 >> >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM >> >To: k12osn at redhat.com >> >Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine >> > >> > >> >Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part >> >of my school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from >> >the nearest >> >computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a >> >Windows machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows >> >machine on an >> >internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx Thanks >> >Pat >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >For more info see >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >For more info see >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >-- >================================== >Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. >Mobile - 027 264 0851 >================================== >Specialising in system support >alternative solutions and >Linux operating system >================================== > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 23 17:40:34 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:40:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <40D8DF3E.3030203@magic.fr> Message-ID: <005101c45949$3010ab60$1803010a@paasda.org> Quote from the Wiki... "K12LTSP defaults to permitting VNC access to the server." Question from Huck... Does it default to permitting on the "internal" 192.168.0.254 network only? or the external as well? i.e. eth0 == 192.168.0.254 but eth1 == 10.1.1.42 does it listen on both? or just on eth0? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Daniels Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 6:39 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine This litte tidbit has been wikified: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AAccess%3ANonLTSPCli ents dgd Joe Guenther wrote: From Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com Wed Jun 23 17:52:32 2004 From: Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com (Karolow, Mike [ITS]) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:52:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine Message-ID: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A7B7A41@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Is that TuSSH or one of the others that I've read about I also have a Treo600 and never even thought of this before, but it sounds like a life saver. -------------------------- Mike Karolow Volunteer IT Administrator The Greenhouse School Salem, Ma, 01970, USA -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:02 AM To: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 07:59, jconlon1 wrote: > Our district is so tight that the left hand keeps secrets from the right > hand. Floppy and USB key drives are out because the security won't accept > anything that is an executable program type file. If you allow inbound ssh over the internet to your server, there are a number of cell phones/pda's that will let you connect from literally anywhere. I use a Sprint treo600 with a free third party ssh program. It is painful to type on the tiny keyboard but it sometimes beats driving twenty miles to fix something. There is also a PPTP VPN client (not free) and a VNC client (free, but I need the VPN to reach my machines so I don't use it). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Wed Jun 23 17:57:22 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:57:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A7B7A41@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> References: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A7B7A41@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Message-ID: <40D9C482.1030303@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> I use TopGunSSH (http://www.ai/~iang/TGssh/) on my Treo 300. Works fairly well, though you can't use vi at all with it, which is frustrating :) (And on a complete tangent, if you're using your 600 with out my RadioControl [GPL], you're missing out -- http://clanhobbs.org/treo ;) Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: >Is that TuSSH or one of the others that I've read about I also have a >Treo600 and never even thought of this before, but it sounds like a life >saver. > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Les Mikesell > > >If you allow inbound ssh over the internet to your server, there are >a number of cell phones/pda's that will let you connect from literally >anywhere. I use a Sprint treo600 with a free third party ssh >program. It is painful to type on the tiny keyboard but it sometimes >beats driving twenty miles to fix something. There is also a PPTP >VPN client (not free) and a VNC client (free, but I need the VPN to >reach my machines so I don't use it). > > -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 23 18:25:40 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:25:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A7B7A41@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> References: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0A7B7A41@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Message-ID: <1088015140.24275.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 12:52, Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: > Is that TuSSH or one of the others that I've read about I also have a > Treo600 and never even thought of this before, but it sounds like a life > saver. I use pssh from http://www.sealiesoftware.com/pssh/ but others will probably work. I'd like to find one that did port forwarding so I could use vnc without the commercial vpn program, although I'm not sure how useful it would be with the small screen. Another thing that is extremely useful is 'plucker' which is an offline web/ebook reader. There are tools for several platforms to download specified web pages, convert to plucker format, then install on the phone/palm device on the next hotsync. I use it to keep some company documentation and contact information handy and have a few ebooks downloaded from www.memoware.com to keep me busy if I'm waiting somewhere and bored. If you ever have a few hours to kill, browse through the programs at http://www.palmgear.com. If you get ptunes, a headphone adapter, and an SD card, the thing makes a surprisingly good mp3 player too. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Jun 23 18:47:27 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:47:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XDM too many retransmissions In-Reply-To: ; from lewis@pcc.com on Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 12:30:27PM -0400 References: <40D8C547.8020004@magic.fr> <85DD9C75-C514-11D8-8ADD-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <20040623092342.A8525@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040623144727.A10136@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 12:30:27PM -0400, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Sure can Jeff, > > I picked up a Netgear 8 port FS608 from Best Buy for $69.00 pre rebate. > I do not plan on using this for anything other than testing my little > clusters. > > I just completed an install where we used existing equipment. I had to > add two switches. They are made made by SignaMax > http://www.signamax.com We picked them up from shields electronics for > $200.00 each. Model F0-065-7341. I am quite sure they are unmanaged. > The manual is on CD. I only looked to see which port can be used for > stacking them. The answer was all of them. > > Hope that helps Sure does! Its always good to have multiple options for network equipment especially low end switches when doing an LTSP install. Thank you for sharing this info. It is definitely useful. -- Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From dmrogers at mail.hgresaettc.org Wed Jun 23 18:49:41 2004 From: dmrogers at mail.hgresaettc.org (David M. Rogers) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:49:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Contents of K12OSN digest vol 4 issue 100---logging in from Windows Message-ID: <40D9D0C5.1070606@mail.hgresaettc.org> It looks like your only option to logging in to your linux server is setting up VNC Server on the linux box and then using the web browser on the windows machine to access the VNC interface. Just use any java enabled web browser and enter the following URL: http://yourlinuxserver:5800 Hopefully that will solve your problem. I prefer putty or VNC but in a pinch, this option will work just fine. -- Thanks, David David M. Rogers, Technical Specialist dmrogers at mail.hgresaettc.org http://www.hgresaettc.org/~dmrogers http://tech.hgresaettc.org/sis (478)-374-2240 ext. 116 Office (478)-374-0861 FAX Heart of Georgia RESA ETTC 1141 Cochran Highway Eastman, GA 31023 ************************************************ Please,configure your e-mail to send text only, see http://expita.com/nomime.html ************************************************ If you have received this e-mail in error or you are not the intended recipient, ignore and delete the message immediately. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jun 23 18:50:35 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:50:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bigmem In-Reply-To: <40D84C1B.1030005@inlandlakes.org> References: <40D84C1B.1030005@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40D9D0FB.70005@inlandlakes.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > As I send out the PO for our new servers with 6GB of RAM -- I recall an > issue with the bigmem kernel... Is that still a problem? Well -- little update... I contacted the fellows in Largo, FL (the ones that use separate servers for each app) because they've had years of things "just working" They have servers running 32bit processors, and upwards of 12GB of RAM. They run Redhat Enterprise, and have not fiddled with LTSP at all. (They actually have X client hardware, so don't need to use LTSP) I figure I'll do some more research, and perhaps set up one of my servers as the "OpenOffice" server with a bigmem kernel. In Largo, they use rsh to start the OpenOffice program from the giant server, and haven't had a glitch with the > 4GB of RAM issue... Anyone willing to give me thier take on the "big hogs" when it comes to applications? I know that OpenOffice takes a lot of resources -- how about Mozilla? Evolution? Any others? I'm trying to make sure I break up my servers appropriately. Thanks again to all, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 23 19:08:27 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:08:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] XDM too many retransmissions In-Reply-To: <20040623144727.A10136@redline.comcast.net> References: <40D8C547.8020004@magic.fr> <85DD9C75-C514-11D8-8ADD-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <20040623092342.A8525@redline.comcast.net> <20040623144727.A10136@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1088017707.24615.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 13:47, Jeff Kinz wrote: > Its always good to have multiple options for network equipment > especially low end switches when doing an LTSP install. > > Thank you for sharing this info. It is definitely useful. A couple of things you may run into with switches: If one end has been locked to a specific duplex setting, at least with Cisco equipment that will disable negotiation and the other end is forced to assume half-duplex if it isn't also locked, which is almost always wrong. The mismatch causes dropped packets and a drastic reduction in throughput although tcp retries will tend to hide the problem. If the switch port does not pass data while doing spanning-tree it may take an extra 20 to 30 seconds to connect whenever the port has dropped. For clients you'll see this before a PXE boot and again after the kernel is loaded and tries to get it's DHCP address. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Wed Jun 23 19:26:21 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (xyz xyz) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101 In-Reply-To: <20040623184832.BF90B731F9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040623192621.32277.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> I guess i could create a link on the desktop to the shares that the specific users can access to avoid having them BROWSE. It would make sense to set the links up by group - i'm guessing i need to create some kind of template script for each group and as i add users to this group it will make all the relevant links for the users of that group. As for NIS - I shall be sure to check that "getent" when i get back to the office - i'm not quite sure i understand how NIS is helping my problem of needing to access all the users from server 2 which is the ltsp server for all the terminals. If i connect from a terminal to the ltsp server (2) with a user name that exists on server 1 - NIS will allow me to loggon?????? > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:36:30 -0400 > From: Henry Burroughs > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NIS help > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1088008590.29259.38.camel at phoenix> > Content-Type: text/plain > > For NIS, the /etc/passwd file will never change on > server2. Run the > command "getent passwd" That is the correct way to > query the > password/user list and make sure you have all the > users (it uses nis, > ldap, etc when available). If this doesn't work, > you aren't > setup/connected via NIS properly. > > Now for the /share directory... the simplest route > would be to nfs mount > /share on server2 just like you did /home. Then the > users will be able > to browse to /share and have access to their > directory. You will want > to make sure that your permissions are correct on > the other > directories... otherwise people will be able to > access them and possibly > write/delete files in them. A good check would be > to use an instructors > login under windows and type this in the run box: > "//server2/manager"... > basically you want to check to see that people who > shouldn't have access > can't get to it manually... if they can, then your > UNIX file permissions > are not tight enough. > > I just recently upgraded my fileserver to Fedora > Core 2 so I can use > Acess Control Lists (ACLs) now. I once had all my > user directories > accessible by everyone else.... oops.... Hope this > helps. > > Henry > > > > From: > xyz xyz > > Reply-To: > Support list for > opensource > software in > schools. > > To: > k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: > [K12OSN] NIS help > Date: > Wed, 23 Jun 2004 > 08:20:53 -0700 > (PDT) > > I am attempting to get NIS up and running as > master on > server1 (acting as samba server) and as > slave on > server 2 (acting as ltsp server). I > understood that > having NIS would help me keep users and > groups in sync > - I followed all the instructions on the HOW > TO - but > i'm not seeing the passwd files on the slave > looking > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Jun 23 20:25:18 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:25:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <005101c45949$3010ab60$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <005101c45949$3010ab60$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40D9E72E.6090607@elp.rr.com> In my case it is just on eth1. eth0 is internal and only sees my terminals. Bye Pat Huck wrote: >Quote from the Wiki... >"K12LTSP defaults to permitting VNC access to the server." > > >Question from Huck... >Does it default to permitting on the "internal" 192.168.0.254 network >only? or the external as well? > >i.e. eth0 == 192.168.0.254 >but eth1 == 10.1.1.42 > >does it listen on both? or just on eth0? > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Dennis Daniels >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 6:39 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine > > >This litte tidbit has been wikified: >http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AAccess%3ANonLTSPCli >ents > >dgd > >Joe Guenther wrote: > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 23 20:30:51 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:30:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... Message-ID: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> at one of the schools I support..there is a decision being made to incorporate 'FLASH' into the computer curriculm... Flash in and of itself is not bad...but teaching it as a primary design tool for webpages IS BAD. It's nearly as bad as teaching Frontpage without explaining HTML or CSS in order to learn how to design and develop a decent website. I need help in explaining that adhering to a standard and teaching the concepts behind the standard is more important than having flashy moving objects and animations on a website. The worst part is the people involved in making the ultimate decision and providing the teaching currently have zero experience with Flash or any sort of Web page design. How would you go about nipping this in the bud given the decision isn't yours? --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Jun 23 20:55:09 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:55:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... In-Reply-To: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1088024109.27545.6.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 13:30, Huck wrote: > I need help in explaining that adhering to a standard and teaching the > concepts behind the standard is more important than having flashy > moving objects and animations on a website. > How would you go about nipping this in the bud given the decision > isn't yours? Try to explain _why_ this is bad. Since it's in a school, try to relate it concepts they do understand. This idea isn't totally fleshed out, but I would compare it to math. "Teaching how to use flash without teaching the underlying concepts of web design like HTML and CSS etc. is like teaching an advanced math class with calulators without teaching how to add subtract, multiply, etc on paper or in your head." Something like that. The big thing here is making sure that they know why teaching advanced tools without having a grounded understanding of the foundations for them is bad: -Hurts problem solving skills -Prevents in depth learning -Frustrations from the above discourage furhter learning -The students take away few usable applicable skills (ie - I know very few people who work solely with flash for a living. They all must also know other web design skills...) etc... Good Luck! -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From ckjohnson at gwi.net Tue Jun 22 11:42:09 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:42:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A non-X10 solution In-Reply-To: <20040622073853.77144.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040622073853.77144.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40D81B11.9060502@gwi.net> Chris Thomas wrote: >Hello, > >Recently, I was looking for a web hosting company. At >one company, they had a "virtual tour" of their data >center. An interesting item that they had was a power >strip that contained a nic in it that allowed someone >to remotely cold boot a computer, router, whatever. >They could tur off and on the power to any plug >remotely. I am looking for a similar item so I can >reset my dsl modem at work. I know that X10 has a >similar product that is able to control lites, power, >and stuff but I am not a big fan of their products. >Does anyone know of such a product? > >Chris > > Something like this? http://apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=70 -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Wed Jun 23 23:47:09 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:47:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <1087965290.1260.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <12116807.1087922298000.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> <1087965290.1260.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <40DA167D.3080809@gwi.net> Bert Rolston wrote: >VNC works well. > >I used it to remotely control / setup WIN boxes AND connect to my LTSP >server anywher on campus. > >I suggest using one of the secure VNC versions like TightVNC. > >Check out some of the registry hacks available for VNC on the ORL >website. > >Cheers, >Bert > > If you are doing anything to your server remotely that requires root privileges and you are not using ssh or https or vpn to secure that access, you might as well post the root password on the school bulletin board. The authors of VNC recommend tunneling it over SSH for security. Will your locked-down PCs allow you to run java applets in the browser? If so, you might want to check out how Derek Dresser has integrated the SSHVNC applet with an LTSP server: http://network.gouldacademy.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=21 Only a browser with java applet support is required on the client side. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From mross at esd165.org Wed Jun 23 23:48:49 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matt Ross) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:48:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Authentication - Was:K12LSTP and MacOS X Server Message-ID: <40DA16E1.60800@esd165.org> My adventures in LDAP Authentication continues. In the previous installment, I had a working LDAP user database running from my MacOS X 10.3 server. I asked why it wouldn't work from the LTSP client, but it would work from a console on the server. In this installment, I have created a new LDAP database, running off of a Debian linux box. Again, I am able to login via console on the LTSP server, but am not able to login using the LTSP thin client. I poked around a bit more, and I found that there are some PAM configuration files in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc directories. Before I start hacking, I figured I'd ask if these are the source of my LTSP problems, or if there is a better spot to look for answers? Thanks again, --Matt -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Matt Ross Subject: K12LSTP and MacOS X Server Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:45:49 -0700 Size: 1330 URL: From rbarnich at comcast.net Thu Jun 24 00:03:07 2004 From: rbarnich at comcast.net (Rick Barnich) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:03:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement Message-ID: <40DA1A3B.6060504@comcast.net> A while back someone was looking for a Linux replacement for M$ Access. I'm currently moving our MRP system to a package called 'Knoda' which uses KDE, QT and supportsd scripting in Python. So far, I'm impressed. Rick Barnich From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Jun 24 00:08:17 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:08:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... In-Reply-To: <1088024109.27545.6.camel@localhost> References: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> <1088024109.27545.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40DA1B71.5060704@elp.rr.com> Look at the hardware side of things also. Schools at least in my district tend to have machines that are old, with smaller amounts of RAM, small hard drives, and slow processors. Flash needs all of these to be high during the development process especially for animation. Just a thought Pat Quentin Hartman wrote: >On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 13:30, Huck wrote: > > > >>I need help in explaining that adhering to a standard and teaching the >>concepts behind the standard is more important than having flashy >>moving objects and animations on a website. >> >> > > > >>How would you go about nipping this in the bud given the decision >>isn't yours? >> >> > >Try to explain _why_ this is bad. Since it's in a school, try to relate >it concepts they do understand. This idea isn't totally fleshed out, but >I would compare it to math. "Teaching how to use flash without teaching >the underlying concepts of web design like HTML and CSS etc. is like >teaching an advanced math class with calulators without teaching how to >add subtract, multiply, etc on paper or in your head." Something like >that. The big thing here is making sure that they know why teaching >advanced tools without having a grounded understanding of the >foundations for them is bad: > >-Hurts problem solving skills >-Prevents in depth learning >-Frustrations from the above discourage furhter learning >-The students take away few usable applicable skills (ie - I know very >few people who work solely with flash for a living. They all must also >know other web design skills...) > >etc... Good Luck! > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jun 24 00:52:29 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:52:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A non-X10 solution In-Reply-To: <40D81B11.9060502@gwi.net> References: <20040622073853.77144.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> <40D81B11.9060502@gwi.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Something like this? >http://apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=70 or something like this? http://www.wti.com/power.htm David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Jun 24 01:53:19 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:53:19 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <40DA167D.3080809@gwi.net> References: <12116807.1087922298000.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> <1087965290.1260.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40DA167D.3080809@gwi.net> Message-ID: <1088041793.1013.17.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Chris, I only used VNC internally. Never from home or a remote site. The network in question was still running Win95 in 2001 on P75's, if I had to walk to every breakdown I would get about 3 problems a day fixed. VNC allowed me to remote in to the user's machine and talk them through the solution (if they had a phone). If the librarian noticed suspected behaviour around a machine she would phone me and I could check for her. I totally agree that VNC and root access without SSH from outside the network would be DUMB. Similar to sticking your tongue on a metal flagpole in the middle of an Alaskan winter! Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 11:47, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >VNC works well. > > > >I used it to remotely control / setup WIN boxes AND connect to my LTSP > >server anywher on campus. > > > >I suggest using one of the secure VNC versions like TightVNC. > > > >Check out some of the registry hacks available for VNC on the ORL > >website. > > > >Cheers, > >Bert > > > > > If you are doing anything to your server remotely that requires root > privileges and you are not using ssh or https or vpn to secure that > access, you might as well post the root password on the school bulletin > board. > > The authors of VNC recommend tunneling it over SSH for security. > > Will your locked-down PCs allow you to run java applets in the browser? > If so, you might want to check out how Derek Dresser has integrated the > SSHVNC applet with an LTSP server: > http://network.gouldacademy.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=21 > > Only a browser with java applet support is required on the client side. -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Jun 24 04:44:24 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:44:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing Windows Applications to the desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40DA5C28.1000505@snet.net> William McCloskey wrote: > Has anyone here tried using Tarantella Secure Global Desktop to share > windows applications through LTSP? > > > > For those who don?t know, Tarantella Secure Global Desktop is a Citrix > like interface though the initial base software was designed around UNIX > so it might be great for the purpose of using Microsoft office via LTSP. > It?s reasonably cheap too. > > Is it not a violation of M$'s mercenary licensing strictures to share these apps over a network via LTSP without purchasing a license for each terminal? -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From samps at redjocks.com Thu Jun 24 05:02:45 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:32:45 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing Windows Applications to the desktop In-Reply-To: <40DA5C28.1000505@snet.net> References: <40DA5C28.1000505@snet.net> Message-ID: <40DA6075.5050508@redjocks.com> anthony baldwin wrote: > Is it not a violation of M$'s mercenary licensing strictures to share > these apps over a network via LTSP without purchasing a license for > each terminal? > > I don't know about the Microsoft licensing structure where you are situated but it is a violation in South Australian schools. cheers Samps From tim at litwiller.net Thu Jun 24 06:28:46 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:28:46 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... In-Reply-To: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40B19614.7070201@litwiller.net> #1 reason to not build a site in flash - search engines will find no content at the site so no one will be able to find your site. - If no one can find the site what is the point of building it. #2 beginners should be taught about the building blocks of a web site, how to make the site accessable - flash makes a site inaccessable to handicapped and mobile browsers. #3 the people that push flash the most are people converting from paper publishing and they think they have this new found freedom to create interactive sites - then they find out that in html absolute positioning is not easy - different users have different sized screens etc. so to get the exact layout they want they move to flash. I don't have a problem with some one adding a little bit of flash to a web site - but of all the flashy flash sites I've seen none come close to the easy of use, speed and functionality of good old html. Good fluid page design should be taught and design is not the top priority of a web site - content is. If you where trying to find some information on the internet which would you choose? a fancy moving page that took 5 minutes to scroll to the bottom of a tiny little flash scroll interface and had some awfull music that you can't turn off or a site the that had the information you where looking for and you could scroll to the information you need and back before the flash site even got loaded? I don't know anyone that appreciates getting stuck in a flash site. Huck wrote: > at one of the schools I support..there is a decision being made to > incorporate 'FLASH' into the computer curriculm... > > Flash in and of itself is not bad...but teaching it as a primary > design tool for webpages IS BAD. > > It's nearly as bad as teaching Frontpage without explaining HTML or > CSS in order to learn how to design and develop a decent website. > > I need help in explaining that adhering to a standard and teaching the > concepts behind the standard is more important than having flashy > moving objects and animations on a website. > > The worst part is the people involved in making the ultimate decision > and providing the teaching currently have zero experience with Flash > or any sort of Web page design. > > How would you go about nipping this in the bud given the decision > isn't yours? > > > --Huck > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From nbs at sonic.net Thu Jun 24 06:41:04 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:41:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... In-Reply-To: <40B19614.7070201@litwiller.net> References: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> <40B19614.7070201@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <20040624064104.GA12304@sonic.net> On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 01:28:36AM -0500, Tim Litwiller wrote: > #1 reason to not build a site in flash - search engines will find no > content at the site so no one will be able to find your site. - If no > one can find the site what is the point of building it. I was desperately trying to find my car dealership's website today. Kept landing on squatter-like 'search' sites that were paying for Google ad space on the side. Eventually I found it, and it was a barely readable imagemap (they had resized it using width/height tags, causing it to become pixelated in Mozilla) with a bunch of junk about downloading Flash plugin (even though I have it). I then noticed the "" of the page was something like: "No Flash Player Detected". Yeah, _THAT'S_ a useful title for the HOME PAGE OF YOUR WEB SITE! ARGH!!! I just ended up calling them on the phone. *sigh* > #2 beginners should be taught about the building blocks of a web site, > how to make the site accessable - flash makes a site inaccessable to > handicapped and mobile browsers. Yep! > #3 the people that push flash the most are people converting from paper > publishing and they think they have this new found freedom to create > interactive sites - then they find out that in html absolute > positioning is not easy - different users have different sized screens > etc. so to get the exact layout they want they move to flash. They should learn CSS. Hell, _I_ should learn CSS! :^) -bill! From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Thu Jun 24 11:01:54 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:01:54 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba + LDAP Problems Message-ID: <007701c459da$aafd0df0$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Hi David. I have tried using the instructions in your pdf but each time I try it, I reboot the server and it wipes ALL my home dirs. ANy ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20040624/bd26af7a/attachment.htm> From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Jun 24 10:59:15 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (sysadmin) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:59:15 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] System wide OpenOffice defaults In-Reply-To: <40D81B11.9060502@gwi.net> References: <20040622073853.77144.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> <40D81B11.9060502@gwi.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20040624102055.02419a38@pop.bgfl.org> When a user envokes OpenOffice for the first time, the .openoffice directory is created in the users homedir, and this .openoffice directory contains the users settings. Does anyone know where this initial defaults for these settings are kept? Martin Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jun 24 11:38:23 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:38:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing Windows Applications to the desktop In-Reply-To: <40DA6075.5050508@redjocks.com> References: <FEE0D345AB0A7D40ADCE4E7C400F8C6F5117ED@tcexchange.timbercon.timberconn.com> <40DA5C28.1000505@snet.net> <40DA6075.5050508@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <40DABD2F.3050101@cmosnetworks.com> Samps wrote: > anthony baldwin wrote: > >> Is it not a violation of M$'s mercenary licensing strictures to share >> these apps over a network via LTSP without purchasing a license for >> each terminal? >> >> > > I don't know about the Microsoft licensing structure where you are > situated but it is a violation in South Australian schools. > > cheers > Samps > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > Same here in the United States. You do that, you're risking becoming the next Ernie Ball. That's a lot of the point of Free Software in the first place--freedom from being assumed a criminal until proven innocent. William J., can you tell us more about your situation that makes you want to run specifically Microsoft Office on an LTSP architecture, when K12LTSP already comes with OpenOffice.org 1.1? Perhaps we can suggest some alternative solutions for your situation. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? <http://www.gnu.org> Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.mozilla.org/thunderbird>, you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Jun 24 11:59:05 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:59:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement (hijacked for Rekall question) In-Reply-To: <40DA1A3B.6060504@comcast.net> References: <40DA1A3B.6060504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <40DAC209.8090301@snet.net> Rick Barnich wrote: > A while back someone was looking for a Linux replacement for M$ > Access. I'm currently moving our MRP system to a package called 'Knoda' > which uses KDE, QT and supportsd scripting in Python. So far, I'm > impressed. > > Rick Barnich > I've been trying to use ReKall, but every time I try to create a new database it gt this: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) I have not experience with databases outside of using M$Abcess and Appleworks Database. I tried to start mysql at the terminal and got the same message. (did % /usr/bin/mysql) I just wanted to make a database to catalog my books, to start off with. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Jun 24 12:00:23 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:00:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement (hijacked for Rekall question) In-Reply-To: <40DA1A3B.6060504@comcast.net> References: <40DA1A3B.6060504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <40DAC257.40509@snet.net> Rick Barnich wrote: > A while back someone was looking for a Linux replacement for M$ > Access. I'm currently moving our MRP system to a package called 'Knoda' > which uses KDE, QT and supportsd scripting in Python. So far, I'm > impressed. > > Rick Barnich > Attempts to run Rekall with Postgres give: could not connect to server: No such file or directory Is the server running locally and accepting connections on Unix domain socket "/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432"? I'm lost here. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From will.scurrell at bcuc.ac.uk Thu Jun 24 12:44:36 2004 From: will.scurrell at bcuc.ac.uk (Will Scurrell) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:44:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... In-Reply-To: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200406241244.NAA26457@deborah.buckscol.ac.uk> This eMail should really come with a disclaimer as the views in it are clearly mine and nothing to do with the university I work for: Here we have the same thing. Students are being taught packages, not concepts. We HAVE to keep up-to-date with the latest Dreamweaver package that Macromedia are currently selling. why? I don't know! Students leave here fully able to use Dreamweaver to make a webpage but sit them in front of HTML and they don't know what they are doing. The best demonstration of this was a student who miss clicked and went to the screen layout where you see the HTML code and the WYSIWYG view. Not know what the HTML was they highlighted it all, deleted it, and them complained that the machine was miss behaving and had lost there work. I do feel I have completely gone away from the point of this mailing list! Will Scurrell Faculty of Technology BCUC _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: 23 June 2004 21:31 To: Ltsp Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... at one of the schools I support..there is a decision being made to incorporate 'FLASH' into the computer curriculm... Flash in and of itself is not bad...but teaching it as a primary design tool for webpages IS BAD. It's nearly as bad as teaching Frontpage without explaining HTML or CSS in order to learn how to design and develop a decent website. I need help in explaining that adhering to a standard and teaching the concepts behind the standard is more important than having flashy moving objects and animations on a website. The worst part is the people involved in making the ultimate decision and providing the teaching currently have zero experience with Flash or any sort of Web page design. 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URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20040624/de10cbd6/attachment.htm> From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 24 12:47:56 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:47:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement (hijacked for Rekall question) In-Reply-To: <40DAC209.8090301@snet.net> References: <40DA1A3B.6060504@comcast.net> <40DAC209.8090301@snet.net> Message-ID: <1088081275.19814.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 06:59, anthony baldwin wrote: > I've been trying to use ReKall, but every time I try to create a new > database it gt this: > Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket > '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) > I have not experience with databases outside of using M$Abcess and > Appleworks Database. > I tried to start mysql at the terminal and got the same message. > (did % /usr/bin/mysql) > I just wanted to make a database to catalog my books, to start off with. Try: service mysqld start to run the stock RH/fedora script that starts the mysql server. To make it always start at boot-up: chkconfig --level 345 mysqld on --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Jun 24 13:27:27 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... Message-ID: <10766816.1088083647109.JavaMail.Administrator@ATP2> Add to this the fact that a great many Internet users are using older browsers that can't handle Flash even if the player is loaded. I have friends who run commercial sites and neither uses Flash because of this one point. Bye Pat >On Mon, 24 May 2004 01:28:36 -0500 Tim Litwiller <tim at litwiller.net> wrote. >#1 reason to not build a site in flash - search engines will find no >content at the site so no one will be able to find your site. - If no >one can find the site what is the point of building it. > >#2 beginners should be taught about the building blocks of a web site, >how to make the site accessable - flash makes a site inaccessable to >handicapped and mobile browsers. > >#3 the people that push flash the most are people converting from paper >publishing and they think they have this new found freedom to create >interactive sites - then they find out that in html absolute >positioning is not easy - different users have different sized screens >etc. so to get the exact layout they want they move to flash. > >I don't have a problem with some one adding a little bit of flash to a >web site - but of all the flashy flash sites I've seen none come close >to the easy of use, speed and functionality of good old html. Good fluid >page design should be taught and design is not the top priority of a web >site - content is. >If you where trying to find some information on the internet which would >you choose? a fancy moving page that took 5 minutes to scroll to the >bottom of a tiny little flash scroll interface and had some awfull music >that you can't turn off or a site the that had the information you where >looking for and you could scroll to the information you need and back >before the flash site even got loaded? I don't know anyone that >appreciates getting stuck in a flash site. > > > > >Huck wrote: > >> at one of the schools I support..there is a decision being made to >> incorporate 'FLASH' into the computer curriculm... >> >> Flash in and of itself is not bad...but teaching it as a primary >> design tool for webpages IS BAD. >> >> It's nearly as bad as teaching Frontpage without explaining HTML or >> CSS in order to learn how to design and develop a decent website. >> >> I need help in explaining that adhering to a standard and teaching the >> concepts behind the standard is more important than having flashy >> moving objects and animations on a website. >> >> The worst part is the people involved in making the ultimate decision >> and providing the teaching currently have zero experience with Flash >> or any sort of Web page design. >> >> How would you go about nipping this in the bud given the decision >> isn't yours? >> >> >> --Huck >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Jun 24 13:25:17 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:25:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement (hijacked for Rekall question) In-Reply-To: <1088081275.19814.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <40DA1A3B.6060504@comcast.net> <40DAC209.8090301@snet.net> <1088081275.19814.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40DAD63D.6050209@snet.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 06:59, anthony baldwin wrote: > > >>I've been trying to use ReKall, but every time I try to create a new >>database it gt this: >>Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket >>'/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) >>I have not experience with databases outside of using M$Abcess and >>Appleworks Database. >>I tried to start mysql at the terminal and got the same message. >>(did % /usr/bin/mysql) >>I just wanted to make a database to catalog my books, to start off with. > > > Try: > service mysqld start > to run the stock RH/fedora script that starts the mysql server. > To make it always start at boot-up: > chkconfig --level 345 mysqld on [root at localhost root]# service mysqld start bash: service: command not found I figured it out, though.../sbin/service did it! Thanks! tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Jun 24 13:44:02 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:44:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement (hijacked for Rekall question) Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DE49@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of anthony baldwin >> >> [root at localhost root]# service mysqld start >> bash: service: command not found >> >> I figured it out, though.../sbin/service did it! If you become root with "su -" instead of just "su" then root's path (and other environment settings) will be set properly and you won't need the "/sbin/" portion for service. -- Henry From johnnyb at eskimo.com Thu Jun 24 14:32:08 2004 From: johnnyb at eskimo.com (Jonathan Bartlett) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement (hijacked for Rekall question) In-Reply-To: <40DAC257.40509@snet.net> References: <40DA1A3B.6060504@comcast.net> <40DAC257.40509@snet.net> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.58.0406240731540.29754@eskimo.com> Is postgres running on your machine? Jon From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Jun 24 14:34:19 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:34:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement (hijacked for Rekall question) In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DE49@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DE49@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1088087659.29058.4.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 06:44, Henry Hartley wrote: > If you become root with "su -" instead of just "su" then root's path (and > other environment settings) will be set properly and you won't need the > "/sbin/" portion for service. And an addendum to this tip, if you use "su -l", not only do you get root's path and environment, but you stay in the current working directory instead of getting dumped into /root. This can be handy if you have traversed a long directory structure to do something, and you don't want to have to traverse it again. Another fun trick, while we're on the subject, is if for some reason you are on a box where you have sudo access but do not know the root password is to use "sudo bash" to get to a root shell. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Jun 24 14:49:16 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:49:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement (hijacked for Rekall question) Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DE4B@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Quentin Hartman >> >> And an addendum to this tip, if you use "su -l", not only do >> you get root's path and environment, but you stay in the >> current working directory instead of getting dumped into >> /root. This can be handy if you have traversed a long >> directory structure to do something, and you don't want to >> have to traverse it again. This doesn't seem to be the case on my machine (K12LTSP 4.0). "su -", "su -l" and "su --login" all seem to be the same (and "su --help" seems to confirm this. Am I missing something? -- Henry From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Jun 24 14:56:48 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:56:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement (hijacked for Rekall question) In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DE4B@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DE4B@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1088089008.29060.7.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 07:49, Henry Hartley wrote: > This doesn't seem to be the case on my machine (K12LTSP 4.0). > "su -", "su -l" and "su --login" all seem to be the same (and > "su --help" seems to confirm this. Am I missing something? Hmm. I dunno. It works like that on my Gentoo boxes, and on my Debian box. I just kinda assumed that was how it functioned universally. Maybe RH-based stuff is different? -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From victor at hiplik.com.hk Thu Jun 24 14:59:42 2004 From: victor at hiplik.com.hk (Victor) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:59:42 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement References: <40DA1A3B.6060504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00b501c459fb$e2052d70$6501a8c0@victor> Hi, Although 'Knoda' may be good for a MRP system, I am currently studying an ERP system which is called webERP+ (http://web-erp.sourceforge.net/) webERP+ is developed using Apache web server, PHP scripting language and a backend database server, eg. Mysql, Postgresql or ODBC. I think webERP+ is a wonderful system for trading companies in USA, Europe and Autralia. etc. For manufacturing companies, there are still modules to be developed for manufacturing. Victor Yip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Barnich" <rbarnich at comcast.net> To: <k12osn at redhat.com> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:03 AM Subject: [K12OSN] M$ Access replaement > A while back someone was looking for a Linux replacement for M$ > Access. I'm currently moving our MRP system to a package called 'Knoda' > which uses KDE, QT and supportsd scripting in Python. So far, I'm > impressed. > > Rick Barnich > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > From williamm at timbercon.com Thu Jun 24 15:37:20 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William J McCloskey) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:37:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing Windows Applications to the desktop In-Reply-To: <40DABD2F.3050101@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200406240834512.SM02160@GYRO> I was just looking at the Riverdale case study on k12ltsp.org and wondered if anyone had tried in as a replacement for using rdesktop and terminal services. You would need licenses for each client, but terminal licenses are often cheaper. William J. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prud? Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:38 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sharing Windows Applications to the desktop Samps wrote: > anthony baldwin wrote: > >> Is it not a violation of M$'s mercenary licensing strictures to share >> these apps over a network via LTSP without purchasing a license for >> each terminal? >> >> > > I don't know about the Microsoft licensing structure where you are > situated but it is a violation in South Australian schools. > > cheers > Samps > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > Same here in the United States. You do that, you're risking becoming the next Ernie Ball. That's a lot of the point of Free Software in the first place--freedom from being assumed a criminal until proven innocent. William J., can you tell us more about your situation that makes you want to run specifically Microsoft Office on an LTSP architecture, when K12LTSP already comes with OpenOffice.org 1.1? Perhaps we can suggest some alternative solutions for your situation. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? <http://www.gnu.org> Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.mozilla.org/thunderbird>, you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From lewis at pcc.com Thu Jun 24 15:23:44 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:23:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... In-Reply-To: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <7B2293D9-C5F2-11D8-B19E-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Huck, Yeh I'm with you on this one. I've been working with our web developer on fixing a problem that was created years ago. Similar situation, use this product because it is cool. However we have spent the last 6 months trying to clean up all the problems/hacks. In the process we came across a great web page aimed at the design industry. http://csszengarden.com/ Their goal is to encourage designers to use a standard piece of validated html. They are not allowed to change the html. They are allowed to change the css to implement their designs. We actually showed this to our staff in an effort to explain why correct, validated, html was more important in the long run. Using standards means that web content does not break down when viewed in different browsers. i.e They work in non IE environments. So perhaps sharing this with the folks may help. It is very pretty and we all know how much more important eye candy is over content ;) Lewis On Jun 23, 2004, at 4:30 PM, Huck wrote: > at one of the schools I support..there is a decision being made to > incorporate 'FLASH' into the computer curriculm... > ? > Flash in and of itself is not bad...but teaching it as a primary > design tool for webpages IS BAD. > ? > It's nearly as bad as teaching Frontpage without explaining HTML or > CSS in order to learn how to design and develop a decent website. > ? > I need help in explaining that adhering to a standard and teaching the > concepts behind the standard is more important than having flashy > moving objects and animations on a website. > ? > The worst part is the people involved in making the ultimate decision > and providing the teaching currently have zero experience with Flash > or any sort of Web page design. > ? > How would you go about nipping this in the bud given the decision > isn't yours? > ? > ? > --Huck > ? > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From sjsj at freespace.net Thu Jun 24 16:05:06 2004 From: sjsj at freespace.net (Steve) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:05:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... In-Reply-To: <7B2293D9-C5F2-11D8-B19E-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> <7B2293D9-C5F2-11D8-B19E-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <40DAFBB2.8000809@freespace.net> > I've been working with our web developer on fixing a problem that was > created years ago. Similar situation, use this product because it is > cool. However we have spent the last 6 months trying to clean up all the > problems/hacks. In the process we came across a great web page aimed at > the design industry. http://csszengarden.com/ Their goal is to encourage > designers to use a standard piece of validated html. They are not > allowed to change the html. They are allowed to change the css to > implement their designs. We actually showed this to our staff in an > effort to explain why correct, validated, html was more important in the > long run. Using standards means that web content does not break down > when viewed in different browsers. i.e They work in non IE environments. > So perhaps sharing this with the folks may help. It is very pretty and > we all know how much more important eye candy is over content ;) Wow this is fantastic, I am trying to get to grips with css and this site ahs really motivated me. And now I can show people this and explain why it is important to get the foundations right. Lurking on this list has taught me alot :-) Steve From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 24 17:52:18 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Logout script Message-ID: <20040624175218.42810.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, For some reason, print jobs are getting stuck in the print queue. Is there a way to run a script when kids logut of gnome? I would like to put in a script to clear the jobs they put into the print queue. Thanks. Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 24 18:37:11 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:37:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound on client Message-ID: <1088102231.27874.210.camel@moola.futuresource.com> I'm trying to make sound work for the first time and using the K12LTSP-4.1.0-alpha9 distribution. I suppose I should have tried on a stable version first but maybe I've just missed something simple. The clients are Dell Optiplex GX1's and I've gotten the driver to load with: SMODULE_01 = "cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1" If I set SOUND_DAEMON to "esd", I can log in to the server and 'esdplay' a .wav file and it plays at the client, but I get an error from xmms, etc. 'nasd' also appears to load correctly but no sounds are redirected and I don't know how to test it. The AUDIOSERVER, etc. environment variables are being set - what else is needed? Also, should sound from a java application work? If not, I may need to set this up as a local app anyway. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 24 18:56:01 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:56:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade woes -- backspace key no longer works on some terminals Message-ID: <40DB23C1.8040601@earthlink.net> Hello everyone: School is out and we decided to upgrade to the latest and greatest. Calvin tells me it is known as 4.1.0 alpha 7 (I think it is FC2). Some of my terminals are having issues with the backspace key (and sometimes the delete key) don't work properly. Anyone have any idea why this would be an issue when it has never been an issue before? (Also having some problems with monitor/video issues and xserver, which I nearly always have when we upgrade.) I have been trying for three days to find something somewhere that would help me with the backspace key issue, but have come up zero. Calvin did the install on both servers (in his spare time) and I have been working trying to get more terminals up and running, beginning the process of cleaning the machines throughout the school getting things ready for next school year. He will come in if he can over the weekend, but I hoped I could solve some of these problems myself. Is there some documentation I should read that points out the differences between ltsp 3 and ltsp 4 that might help me in the future? Thanks everyone, Rita Gibson RMSEL From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Jun 24 19:01:59 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:01:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade woes -- backspace key no longer works on som e terminals Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DE50@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rita Gibson >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:56 PM >> >> Hello everyone: School is out and we decided to upgrade to >> the latest >> and greatest. Calvin tells me it is known as 4.1.0 alpha 7 >> (I think it >> is FC2). I don't have any help for you on the specifics of your problem but the latest is alpha 9 dated 06/18/2004. rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . & Don't let the "beta" in the name fool you. It's alpha. >> Is there some documentation I should read that points out the >> differences between ltsp 3 and ltsp 4 that might help me in >> the future? K12LTSP 4.0 is based on FC1 and LTSP 4.0. K12LTSP 4.1 (alpha) is based on FC2 and LTSP 4.1. Significant differences. -- Henry From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Jun 24 19:01:57 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:01:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound on client In-Reply-To: <1088102231.27874.210.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1088102231.27874.210.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40DB2525.6060306@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > I'm trying to make sound work for the first time and using the > K12LTSP-4.1.0-alpha9 distribution. I suppose I should have tried > on a stable version first but maybe I've just missed something > simple. > The clients are Dell Optiplex GX1's and I've gotten the driver > to load with: > SMODULE_01 = "cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1" I have GX1's too and I can't get the sound working either. But I use the older K12LTSP 3.x.x. I hadn't seen the setting that you have listed here "cs4232". Hmmm. Maybe that will work for me. As for your situation, sorry I can't help, 'cuz I'm not using Fedora Core 1. > If I set SOUND_DAEMON to "esd", I can log in to the server and > 'esdplay' a .wav file and it plays at the client, but I get > an error from xmms, etc. 'nasd' also appears to load correctly > but no sounds are redirected and I don't know how to test it. > The AUDIOSERVER, etc. environment variables are being set - what > else is needed? > > Also, should sound from a java application work? If not, I may > need to set this up as a local app anyway. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 24 19:37:51 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:37:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound on client In-Reply-To: <40DB2525.6060306@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <1088102231.27874.210.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40DB2525.6060306@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1088105870.3453.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 14:01, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > > The clients are Dell Optiplex GX1's and I've gotten the driver > > to load with: > > SMODULE_01 = "cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1" > > I have GX1's too and I can't get the sound working either. But I use > the older K12LTSP 3.x.x. I hadn't seen the setting that you have > listed here "cs4232". Hmmm. Maybe that will work for me. As for your > situation, sorry I can't help, 'cuz I'm not using Fedora Core 1. It's a Crystal Sound chipset on the motherboard but it's on the ISA bus so you have to specify all the parameters. You might have to specify cs4232.o for the older version but the driver should be there. The 4.1 alpha is actually Fedora Core 2 with the 2.6.x kernel on the server but still has 2.4 for the client (which may or may not be relevant...). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tbrown at michiana.org Thu Jun 24 17:39:03 2004 From: tbrown at michiana.org (Tom Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:39:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine In-Reply-To: <16682216.1087995578828.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040623084207.02e40460@michiana.org> This is a simple solution which may not meet your needs. You can carry a diskette with PuTTY on it. PuTTY is a 348 KB exe file which is quickly installed on a Windows box if it isn't locked down. PuTTY allows terminal access to any server over a network if a telnet (not advised) or ssh (advised) daemon is running on the server. You will need an account on the target server with sufficient permissions to do your work. PuTTY is not graphical -- it provides a terminal window. If you need a general purpose ncurses file manager/file editing tool, install Midnight Commander (mc) on the server. MC runs fairly well in a remote terminal window. Tom At 05:59 AM 6/23/04 -0700, you wrote: >Our district is so tight that the left hand keeps secrets from the right >hand. Floppy and USB key drives are out because the security won't accept >anything that is an executable program type file. These turkeys have even >got boot security so you can't start from a floppy or other removable media. > >On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:36:30 1200 Bert Rolston <bert.rolston at clear.net.nz> >wrote. > >I take it you can't run it from a floppy / USB pen drive? > > > >VNC fits on a 720k floppy. > > > >Cheers, > >Bert > > > >On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 07:29, John P. Conlon wrote: > >> I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because > >> they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that > >> not even the administrator can access some of. > >> > >> Joe Guenther wrote: > >> > >> >You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed and > >> >running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a >terminal. > >> > > >> >Login as root ... away you go ... > >> > > >> >Joe Guenther > >> >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> >LANtech - Didsbury > >> >Chinook's Edge School Div. > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > >> >Behalf Of jconlon1 > >> >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM > >> >To: k12osn at redhat.com > >> >Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine > >> > > >> > > >> >Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my > >> >school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the >nearest > >> >computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows > >> >machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on >an > >> >internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx > >> >Thanks > >> >Pat > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >K12OSN mailing list > >> >K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >K12OSN mailing list > >> >K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > >-- > >================================== > >Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > >Mobile - 027 264 0851 > >================================== > >Specialising in system support > >alternative solutions and > >Linux operating system > >================================== > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 24 22:19:44 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:19:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Services for Windows Message-ID: <40DB5380.9070505@inlandlakes.org> I know it's possible with citrix, but is it possible with standard Terminal Services (via win2k3 server) to send a single app rather than an entire desktop? My plan now it to show our secretaries how to use multiple desktops in KDE, and have one desktop be an rdesktop session. If I could just get an app to work singly via rdesktop (I have the full licensing needed), that'd be even better. Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org --<Disclaimer, now required for frustrating reasons>-- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jun 24 22:33:25 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:33:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing Windows Applications to the desktop In-Reply-To: <200406240834512.SM02160@GYRO> References: <200406240834512.SM02160@GYRO> Message-ID: <40DB56B5.1080407@cmosnetworks.com> I've been playing around w/ Crossover Office, since I have a guy who needs to run Time Matters 5.0. It's just a matter of him getting me the CD to test with. Just for kicks, I went back a few years and tried Word NT 6.0 (i. e. 32-bit Word 6.0 for Windows NT) and Excel NT 5.0 on Xover, and though I had to manually make icons, they did indeed install and, with the exception of the help system, run very well. Xover is not that much, per seat, and if the "needed Windows app" runs with it, it solves the Windows CAL issue. Of course, OpenOffice.org obviates the need for Microsoft Office...but if you've just got to run, say, SASIxp (a friend of mine had it working with WINE), you can. In any case, there are virtually always viable alternatives--most of them either Free Software or based on Free Software--to subjecting one's self to Microsoft's draconian license terms, or anything similar. --TP William J McCloskey wrote: >I was just looking at the Riverdale case study on k12ltsp.org and wondered >if anyone had tried in as a replacement for using rdesktop and terminal >services. > >You would need licenses for each client, but terminal licenses are often >cheaper. > >William J. > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of Terrell Prud? >Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:38 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sharing Windows Applications to the desktop > >Samps wrote: > > > >>anthony baldwin wrote: >> >> >> >>>Is it not a violation of M$'s mercenary licensing strictures to share >>>these apps over a network via LTSP without purchasing a license for >>>each terminal? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I don't know about the Microsoft licensing structure where you are >>situated but it is a violation in South Australian schools. >> >>cheers >>Samps >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >> >> >> > >Same here in the United States. You do that, you're risking becoming >the next Ernie Ball. That's a lot of the point of Free Software in the >first place--freedom from being assumed a criminal until proven innocent. > >William J., can you tell us more about your situation that makes you >want to run specifically Microsoft Office on an LTSP architecture, when >K12LTSP already comes with OpenOffice.org 1.1? Perhaps we can suggest >some alternative solutions for your situation. > >--TP >_____________________ >Do you GNU!? <http://www.gnu.org> >Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird ><http://www.mozilla.org/thunderbird>, you have the best spam protection >around--who needs Yahoo? :-) > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? <http://www.gnu.org> Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.mozilla.org/thunderbird>, you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jun 24 22:41:24 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:41:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Services for Windows In-Reply-To: <40DB5380.9070505@inlandlakes.org> References: <40DB5380.9070505@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40DB5894.7040707@cmosnetworks.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > I know it's possible with citrix, but is it possible with standard > Terminal Services (via win2k3 server) to send a single app rather than > an entire desktop? > > My plan now it to show our secretaries how to use multiple desktops in > KDE, and have one desktop be an rdesktop session. If I could just get > an app to work singly via rdesktop (I have the full licensing needed), > that'd be even better. > > Thanks, > -Shawn Hello Shawn, To my knowledge, Windows itself does not have--nor ever has had--anything like the X11 protocol. With Windows, the GUI is tied to that specific instance of the underlying OS and itself knows nothing about remote access or TCP/IP. Therefore, Windows apps know nothing about TCP/IP connections for displaying themselves remotely either. So, you'll need to give 'em the whole desktop, not just one app. This is one of the forward-looking things about the old UNIX hackers and the architecture that we who use that architecture are appreciating to this day. If you want that for Windows, then, based on what you mentioned above, it looks like you've got to pony up for Citrix. --TP From williamm at timbercon.com Thu Jun 24 22:44:22 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William J McCloskey) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:44:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Services for Windows In-Reply-To: <40DB5380.9070505@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200406241541196.SM02160@GYRO> Tarantella Global Secure Desktop is why I was discussing in the previous thread and it does the same thing as citrix for about 1/10th the price ($50/per seat) and runs with linux. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:20 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Services for Windows I know it's possible with citrix, but is it possible with standard Terminal Services (via win2k3 server) to send a single app rather than an entire desktop? My plan now it to show our secretaries how to use multiple desktops in KDE, and have one desktop be an rdesktop session. If I could just get an app to work singly via rdesktop (I have the full licensing needed), that'd be even better. Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org --<Disclaimer, now required for frustrating reasons>-- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 24 22:54:34 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:54:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Services for Windows In-Reply-To: <200406241541196.SM02160@GYRO> References: <200406241541196.SM02160@GYRO> Message-ID: <40DB5BAA.2060302@inlandlakes.org> William J McCloskey wrote: >Tarantella Global Secure Desktop is why I was discussing in the previous >thread and it does the same thing as citrix for about 1/10th the price >($50/per seat) and runs with linux. > > > Ok -- the reason I asked is that I couldn't get the "rdesktop -s" option to work... I dunno what is meant by "shell" -- but doing a "man rdesktop" it talks about application mode. I just havne't been able to make it do anything. :) Thank you, -Shawn From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Thu Jun 24 23:13:58 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:13:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Services for Windows In-Reply-To: <40DB5894.7040707@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40DB5380.9070505@inlandlakes.org> <40DB5894.7040707@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40DB6036.70907@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > >> I know it's possible with citrix, but is it possible with standard >> Terminal Services (via win2k3 server) to send a single app rather >> than an entire desktop? >> >> My plan now it to show our secretaries how to use multiple desktops >> in KDE, and have one desktop be an rdesktop session. If I could just >> get an app to work singly via rdesktop (I have the full licensing >> needed), that'd be even better. >> > To my knowledge, Windows itself does not have--nor ever has > had--anything like the X11 protocol. With Windows, the GUI is tied to > that specific instance of the underlying OS and itself knows nothing > about remote access or TCP/IP. Therefore, Windows apps know nothing > about TCP/IP connections for displaying themselves remotely either. > So, you'll need to give 'em the whole desktop, not just one app. Not quite. Windows Terminal Services does in fact offer the ability to run a single app and not an entire desktop. For example: rdesktop -s notepad.exe servername.domain.org -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 24 23:48:56 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:48:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Services for Windows In-Reply-To: <40DB6036.70907@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <40DB5380.9070505@inlandlakes.org> <40DB5894.7040707@cmosnetworks.com> <40DB6036.70907@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <40DB6868.6060107@inlandlakes.org> Chris Hobbs wrote: > For example: rdesktop -s notepad.exe servername.domain.org Ok -- I tried that exact command. Does this require *actual* Windows Terminal Services, and not just XP Pro? (My server hasn't arrived yet, so I've been trying to get it to work with XP Pro remote desktop) Chris -- have you (or could you if you don't know the answer) try that on an XP Pro machine instead of a windows 2003 server? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org --<Disclaimer, now required for frustrating reasons>-- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Jun 25 00:34:23 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:34:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory--Question Message-ID: <1309.66.138.175.78.1088123663.squirrel@66.138.175.78> So I think I've figured out how to get Linux boxes auth'ing to edirectory...the holdup now is I have to manually create the home directories for new users. Has anyone done this? -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Fri Jun 25 00:32:35 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:32:35 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] LVM - is anyone using this? Message-ID: <1088123361.1468.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi folks, Is anyone using LVM? I'm looking for a solution that will allow the addition of extra drive space (100+ GB) to a server in approximately 18 months time. I've done this on Netware servers, so I understand the principles. I believe LVM is similar to the way Netware does things. Thanks, Bert -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From ddaniels at magic.fr Fri Jun 25 01:25:29 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:25:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] XDM too many retransmissions In-Reply-To: <1088017707.24615.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40D8C547.8020004@magic.fr> <85DD9C75-C514-11D8-8ADD-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <20040623092342.A8525@redline.comcast.net> <A2BE0692-C532-11D8-8ADD-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <20040623144727.A10136@redline.comcast.net> <1088017707.24615.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40DB7F09.6050008@magic.fr> Update on XDM, it was the switch! Thanks all and esp. Lewis for the help! Dennis Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 13:47, Jeff Kinz wrote: > > >>Its always good to have multiple options for network equipment >>especially low end switches when doing an LTSP install. >> >>Thank you for sharing this info. It is definitely useful. > > > A couple of things you may run into with switches: > > If one end has been locked to a specific duplex setting, at > least with Cisco equipment that will disable negotiation and the > other end is forced to assume half-duplex if it isn't also locked, > which is almost always wrong. The mismatch causes dropped packets > and a drastic reduction in throughput although tcp retries will > tend to hide the problem. > > If the switch port does not pass data while doing spanning-tree > it may take an extra 20 to 30 seconds to connect whenever > the port has dropped. For clients you'll see this before a PXE boot > and again after the kernel is loaded and tries to get it's DHCP > address. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Fri Jun 25 02:43:08 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:43:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory--Question References: <1309.66.138.175.78.1088123663.squirrel@66.138.175.78> Message-ID: <40DB913C.DE63EFA8@coll-outao.qc.ca> Read the wiki i left on the K12ltsp site: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/InterOperability%3ANovellAuthenticationforK12LTSP Someone told me he was going to update this info for 2.6 kernel. Caleb Wagnon a ?crit : > So I think I've figured out how to get Linux boxes auth'ing to > edirectory...the holdup now is I have to manually create the home directories > for new users. Has anyone done this? > > -- > Caleb Wagnon > Technology Coordinator > Fordyce School District > 870.352.2968 > http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri Jun 25 07:01:17 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:01:17 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] LVM - is anyone using this? Message-ID: <OF6A26291F.60FA8CE6-ONCA256EBE.002626E4@lesbell.com.au> ert Rolston <bert.rolston at clear.net.nz> wrote: >> Is anyone using LVM? << Yes - I use LVM on most of the servers I administer and even on my notebook; it's turned out to be useful for those cases when I add new drives. The easiest way to do it is to use Webmin, which has a really neat LVM module. Alternatively, set it up when installing - Anaconda's Disk Druid lets you set up LVM/RAID during the install. If you look at our office server you can see how things have obviously been swapped around over the years, including the addition of a RAID 1 array: Disk /dev/sda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 4863 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 4863 39062016 8e Linux LVM Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2434 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 3 24066 83 Linux /dev/hda2 4 2434 19527007+ 5 Extended /dev/hda5 4 1278 10241406 83 Linux /dev/hda6 1279 1533 2048256 83 Linux /dev/hda7 1534 1725 1542208+ 83 Linux /dev/hda8 1726 1917 1542208+ 83 Linux /dev/hda9 1918 1950 265041 82 Linux swap /dev/hda10 1951 1976 208813+ 83 Linux /dev/hda11 1977 2434 3678853+ 8e Linux LVM /dev/hda7 on / type ext3 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda8 on /opt type ext3 (rw) /dev/hda10 on /var type ext3 (rw) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/vg00/lv00 on /var/local/notesdata type ext3 (rw) /dev/vg00/lv01 on /home type ext3 (rw) /dev/vg00/lv02 on /home/les/download type ext3 (rw) /dev/hda5 on /var/isos type ext3 (rw) /dev/hda6 on /usr/src type ext3 (rw) The only down side is that upgrading to the 2.6 kernel is not possible, as it no longer supports LVM1. Red Hat's approach will be to support Sistina, and I'm not sure I'm ready for that. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Fri Jun 25 09:51:54 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:51:54 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] LVM - is anyone using this? In-Reply-To: <OF6A26291F.60FA8CE6-ONCA256EBE.002626E4@lesbell.com.au> References: <OF6A26291F.60FA8CE6-ONCA256EBE.002626E4@lesbell.com.au> Message-ID: <1088157015.1468.274.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Les, Thanks for that. I'm doing a bit of forward planning. I'm setting up a system that will require significant storage increase in 12 - 18 months. In the mean time an extra drive would be a waste of space, power and hardware. I could simply install the new drive when required and add it's mount point to the existing filesystem. The downside - when the HDD is full I have to do the drive & mount point shuffle. In Netware I could install a new drive in the machine then add some / all of it's capacity to an existing volume. Is that a rough description of LVM on linux? Thanks again, Bert On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:01, Les Bell wrote: > ert Rolston <bert.rolston at clear.net.nz> wrote: > > >> > Is anyone using LVM? > << > > Yes - I use LVM on most of the servers I administer and even on my > notebook; it's turned out to be useful for those cases when I add new > drives. The easiest way to do it is to use Webmin, which has a really neat > LVM module. Alternatively, set it up when installing - Anaconda's Disk > Druid lets you set up LVM/RAID during the install. > > If you look at our office server you can see how things have obviously been > swapped around over the years, including the addition of a RAID 1 array: > > Disk /dev/sda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 4863 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 1 4863 39062016 8e Linux LVM > > Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2434 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hda1 * 1 3 24066 83 Linux > /dev/hda2 4 2434 19527007+ 5 Extended > /dev/hda5 4 1278 10241406 83 Linux > /dev/hda6 1279 1533 2048256 83 Linux > /dev/hda7 1534 1725 1542208+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda8 1726 1917 1542208+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda9 1918 1950 265041 82 Linux swap > /dev/hda10 1951 1976 208813+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda11 1977 2434 3678853+ 8e Linux LVM > > /dev/hda7 on / type ext3 (rw) > none on /proc type proc (rw) > usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) > /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) > /dev/hda8 on /opt type ext3 (rw) > /dev/hda10 on /var type ext3 (rw) > none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) > none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) > /dev/vg00/lv00 on /var/local/notesdata type ext3 (rw) > /dev/vg00/lv01 on /home type ext3 (rw) > /dev/vg00/lv02 on /home/les/download type ext3 (rw) > /dev/hda5 on /var/isos type ext3 (rw) > /dev/hda6 on /usr/src type ext3 (rw) > > The only down side is that upgrading to the 2.6 kernel is not possible, as > it no longer supports LVM1. Red Hat's approach will be to support Sistina, > and I'm not sure I'm ready for that. . . > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Jun 25 10:07:12 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:07:12 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Run a Shell Script @ Logoff (Really Need Help/Novell) Message-ID: <009801c45a9c$2fa420e0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List.... Back on the 14th I posted this eMail:- > Just a quick one this time.... > as you have probably guessed from the subject, I would like to > run a Shell Script when the user logs off of the system... > > I use IceWM as the desktop environment if that helps... I am getting really desperate now... I have written a small bash script that mounts my users Novell Home directory onto the desktop of my ThinClients, This works really well... BUT.. the users MUST run the script a 2nd time before they logoff in order to Disconnect the mount, otherwise when the next user sits down @ the ThinClient and logs on, They can see the last users Novell Home directory and also delete change add files to the last persons Novell Home dir.... as well all know that users will forget to run the script a 2nd time (a few already have) and this has caused a few problems already.. so I really need a way to run the script when ever a user logs off... Thanks very much for your help.. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20040625/6b08753e/attachment.htm> From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri Jun 25 10:04:26 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:04:26 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] LVM - is anyone using this? Message-ID: <OF8FF13BF9.DD876EF6-ONCA256EBE.0036B61A@lesbell.com.au> Bert Rolston <bert.rolston at clear.net.nz> wrote: >> In Netware I could install a new drive in the machine then add some / all of it's capacity to an existing volume. Is that a rough description of LVM on linux? << Yes, that's how it works. You'd slip in the new drive (hot-swap if your hardware supports it), then format the drive (or a partition on it) as a physical volume (fdisk & pvcreate) then add it to an existing volume group (vgextend). From there, it's a matter of using lvcreate or lvextend to either create a new logical volume or increase the size of an existing one. If you resize an existing one, bear in mind that you'll also have to increase the size of the filesystem inside the logical volume - for ext2/3 use resize2fs. See the man pages for details. Most of this has to be done in single-user maintenance mode, of course, but down-time is minimal when compared with backing up and restoring without LVM. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri Jun 25 10:07:20 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:07:20 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Run a Shell Script @ Logoff (Really Need Help/Novell) Message-ID: <OFA4C0D02B.66BED09E-ONCA256EBE.00376B5D@lesbell.com.au> "Gavin Spurgeon" <gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk> wrote: >> I have written a small bash script that mounts my users Novell Home directory onto the desktop of my ThinClients, This works really well... BUT.. << Sounds like a job for the automounter. See man autofs(5) and man automount(8), which should be able to do what you require with no scripts involved. Just don't ask me how - the automounting of home directories around my office is still on my to-do list. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us Fri Jun 25 11:53:53 2004 From: mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:53:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory--Question In-Reply-To: <40DB913C.DE63EFA8@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <1309.66.138.175.78.1088123663.squirrel@66.138.175.78> <40DB913C.DE63EFA8@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <40DC1251.9000902@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Hi Caleb, Guy's directions are great! Check the user creation section of 8.3 in the wiki. The important part that you need is a line that looks like this in your pam.d files: auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ncp_auth.so nullok use_first_pass ndsserver=Server_Name:ou=Your_OU -d -L -mMount_Point -u2000,4000,pn,gcds -g2000,4000,pn (Notes: (1) that is all on one line, (2) the -m flag is the name of the mount point in the user's home directory, and there is no space between '-m' and the name.) This allows authentication to eDirectory and automatically creates the authenticated user/group on the Linux box. The only downside (in my environment) is that the Netware home directory is a subdirectory of the Linux home directory. If I could get Linux to use the Netware home directory as its home directory, I would be an extremely happy camper! Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA Guy Lessard wrote: > Read the wiki i left on the K12ltsp site: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/InterOperability%3ANovellAuthenticationforK12LTSP > > Someone told me he was going to update this info for 2.6 kernel. > > Caleb Wagnon a ?crit : > > >>So I think I've figured out how to get Linux boxes auth'ing to >>edirectory...the holdup now is I have to manually create the home directories >>for new users. Has anyone done this? >> >>-- >>Caleb Wagnon >>Technology Coordinator >>Fordyce School District >>870.352.2968 >>http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org > From mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us Fri Jun 25 12:06:09 2004 From: mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:06:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing Windows Applications to the desktop In-Reply-To: <40DB56B5.1080407@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200406240834512.SM02160@GYRO> <40DB56B5.1080407@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40DC1531.9010808@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: /snip > ...but if you've just got to run, say, SASIxp (a friend > of mine had it working with WINE), you can. > Hi Terrell, I would LOVE to hear more about running SASIxp under WINE! I tried this just a couple weeks ago and ran into font problems and screen redraw problems. My school district is trying to find a way to run SASI via LTSP, and I would greatly appreciate any information you or your friend could share. Please feel free to reply off list. Thanks! Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From raven_512 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 25 12:18:23 2004 From: raven_512 at hotmail.com (Noel Corbett) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:18:23 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Management Problems Message-ID: <BAY1-F36i9leSbfLqoD00012e90@hotmail.com> Hi Everyone... I've got a Linux server setup at the school I work at and i've been attempting to manage it remotely using putty from my home machine. My home connection is a dsl line and the school connection is a dial up account. Currently I'm trying to update the machine, it runs gentoo so it compiles all the software but before I can get anything compiled the connection gets dropped (usually as a result of a disconnect on the 56k end) and the compile stops. What i'd like to know is can i somehow get the emerge process to run in the background so that i can disconnect from the machine and keep it running. I live about 50km away from the school and only go in occasionally to perform various tasks if I could do these updates from home I'd be a happy man. Cheers Noel _________________________________________________________________ Watch movie trailers online with the Xtra Broadband Channel http://xtra.co.nz/broadband From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Jun 25 12:47:42 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:47:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] System wide OpenOffice defaults In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.1.20040624102055.02419a38@pop.bgfl.org> References: <20040622073853.77144.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> <40D81B11.9060502@gwi.net> <6.0.3.0.1.20040624102055.02419a38@pop.bgfl.org> Message-ID: <40DC1EEE.5010305@gwi.net> sysadmin wrote: > When a user envokes OpenOffice for the first time, the .openoffice > directory is created in the users homedir, and this .openoffice > directory contains the users settings. Does anyone know where this > initial defaults for these settings are kept? > I don't know what you are looking to change, but take a look at ~/.openoffice/setup.log and skip down below all the directory creation and chmod lines. You will see what files are copied from where. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Jun 25 13:16:26 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:16:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory--Question In-Reply-To: <40DC1251.9000902@mtwp.k12.pa.us> References: <1309.66.138.175.78.1088123663.squirrel@66.138.175.78> <40DB913C.DE63EFA8@coll-outao.qc.ca> <40DC1251.9000902@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: <49331.170.211.161.217.1088169386.squirrel@170.211.161.217> Sweet! Thanks guys ;-) -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From dharkness at nsd2.com Fri Jun 25 14:42:35 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:42:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cannot get machine booted Message-ID: <40DC39DB.3080605@nsd2.com> i have a few IBM PC 340 desktops that have onboard video cards (Cirrus Logic), about 16 MB of Ram, and about 3 GB of HD space. naturally being such a slow machine i wanted to use this for LTSP, so i slapped in a bootable NIC from Intel Pro 100. when i try to take this machine onto LTSP it gets to the spot where it is starting XFree86, then just sits there and does nothing. no error message on screen or anything. i have let it go for a while and it does not proceed. i thought maybe it might be the onboard video, so i slapped in a PCI based video card, but same thing happens there too. is the IBM PC 340 just not going to work, i have tried 2 or 3 and none seem to work. From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jun 25 14:51:55 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:51:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Management Problems In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F36i9leSbfLqoD00012e90@hotmail.com> References: <BAY1-F36i9leSbfLqoD00012e90@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <1088175115.29058.25.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 05:18, Noel Corbett wrote: > What i'd like to know is can i somehow get the emerge process to run in the > background so that i can disconnect from the machine and keep it running. I > live about 50km away from the school and only go in occasionally to perform > various tasks if I could do these updates from home I'd be a happy man. I would use two tools to accomplish this, screen and the -f option for emerge. The -f option (ie- "emerge -f world") fetches all the files needed for that particular emerge process, but does not go on to compile them. This is handy for use on dial-up systems where big idle times can cause problems. Whenever I am running on a flaky link, I do "emerge -f blah && emerge blah", this runs the fetch and install one right after the other. The install will only get run if the fetch succeeds. Screen is a real gem for remote administration. Basically, it allows the same functionality of virtual terminals over a single ssh connection, and (the real nice part) anything running inside a screen process does not die if you disconnect. First install it "emerge screen", it's small so it won't take long. then just type "screen". It will look like it just cleared the screen, but now you are running a shell inside a new screen session. To create a new "vt" hit "ctrl-a" then "c" (for Create). To switch from session to session hit "ctrl-a" then "n" for the next one, or "ctrl-a" then "p" for the previous. To attach to a running screen process that is detached, type "screen -r" at a command prompt. These basic commands will get you going, but there is a lot more. Nice to see another Gentoo user on the list :). -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jun 25 14:55:28 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:55:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] cannot get machine booted In-Reply-To: <40DC39DB.3080605@nsd2.com> References: <40DC39DB.3080605@nsd2.com> Message-ID: <1088175328.29058.30.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 07:42, Dale Harkness wrote: > i have a few IBM PC 340 desktops that have onboard video cards (Cirrus > Logic), about 16 MB of Ram, and about 3 GB of HD space. <snip> > i thought maybe it might be the onboard video, so i slapped in a PCI based video card, but same > thing happens there too. is the IBM PC 340 just not going to work, i > have tried 2 or 3 and none seem to work. Was the chipset on the PCI card you put in also Cirrus? There are a couple revisions of Cirrus chipsets that are supported on older Xfree versions, but not newer ones. They are in the 54xx family, I don't remember the exact model. Also, what about the monitor? If it is getting run in too high of a refresh rate, some will blank the screen instead of displaying the garbage typically associated with too high refresh rates. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 25 15:17:29 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:17:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Management Problems In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F36i9leSbfLqoD00012e90@hotmail.com> References: <BAY1-F36i9leSbfLqoD00012e90@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <1088176649.13592.28.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 07:18, Noel Corbett wrote: > What i'd like to know is can i somehow get the emerge process to run in the > background so that i can disconnect from the machine and keep it running. I > live about 50km away from the school and only go in occasionally to perform > various tasks if I could do these updates from home I'd be a happy man. There are a couple of simple ways to run single commnands or scripts that allow you disconnect. One is: nohup 'command' & which will redirect output to a file named nohup.out if you don't specifically redirect it yourself and continue in the background ignoring any hangup signals. You can connect back later to view or tail the file to check the results. Another is at now ..type in command end with <ctl>-D as the first character on a line (standard unix end-of-file). This uses the scheduling mechanism (you could just as easily say at now + 2 hours or some other time interval to delay ths start) but is easier than setting up a cron job because it saves and restores your environment (PATH, working directory, uid, etc.) to match when you issue the command. There is also 'screen' which can allow you to disconnect and reconnect without stopping the running programs if you are in character mode or vncserver (started by hand, not the way k12ltsp does it automatically), or x0rfbserver for graphic mode. Or, for a slightly different approach if you have access to a windows box on site you can run a vnc server there. This can be handy to hold together a screen of several putty windows executing things on several machines each of which may be rebooted at some step in the process. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dharkness at nsd2.com Fri Jun 25 15:20:02 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:20:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cannot get machine booted In-Reply-To: <1088175328.29058.30.camel@localhost> References: <40DC39DB.3080605@nsd2.com> <1088175328.29058.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40DC42A2.1010008@nsd2.com> Quentin Hartman wrote: >On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 07:42, Dale Harkness wrote: > > >>i have a few IBM PC 340 desktops that have onboard video cards (Cirrus >>Logic), about 16 MB of Ram, and about 3 GB of HD space. >> >> ><snip> > > >> i thought maybe it might be the onboard video, so i slapped in a PCI based video card, but same >>thing happens there too. is the IBM PC 340 just not going to work, i >>have tried 2 or 3 and none seem to work. >> >> > >Was the chipset on the PCI card you put in also Cirrus? There are a >couple revisions of Cirrus chipsets that are supported on older Xfree >versions, but not newer ones. They are in the 54xx family, I don't >remember the exact model. Also, what about the monitor? If it is getting >run in too high of a refresh rate, some will blank the screen instead of >displaying the garbage typically associated with too high refresh rates. > > > the PCI card is ATI based. the monitor is a monitor we are using for other LTSP installs and they all work fine. after a while the screen does black out though, (i would say after 5 minutes or so). do you think maybe the refresh rate still has something to do with it? From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Fri Jun 25 15:33:42 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:33:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Services for Windows In-Reply-To: <40DB6868.6060107@inlandlakes.org> References: <40DB5380.9070505@inlandlakes.org> <40DB5894.7040707@cmosnetworks.com> <40DB6036.70907@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> <40DB6868.6060107@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40DC45D6.8090204@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > Chris Hobbs wrote: > >> For example: rdesktop -s notepad.exe servername.domain.org > > > Ok -- I tried that exact command. Does this require *actual* Windows > Terminal Services, and not just XP Pro? (My server hasn't arrived > yet, so I've been trying to get it to work with XP Pro remote desktop) > > Chris -- have you (or could you if you don't know the answer) try that > on an XP Pro machine instead of a windows 2003 server? I've done it with 2000 Server and 2003 Server, never XPPro. It wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't work on XP Pro, since the TS built into XP Pro is designed more to be used as a support tool then an application server. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jun 25 15:35:30 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:35:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] cannot get machine booted In-Reply-To: <40DC42A2.1010008@nsd2.com> References: <40DC39DB.3080605@nsd2.com> <1088175328.29058.30.camel@localhost> <40DC42A2.1010008@nsd2.com> Message-ID: <1088177730.29058.36.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 08:20, Dale Harkness wrote: > the monitor is a monitor we are using for > other LTSP installs and they all work fine. after a while the screen > does black out though, (i would say after 5 minutes or so). do you think > maybe the refresh rate still has something to do with it? Could be, hard to say for sure though. A couple of options (not necessarily listed in the best order for testing): -Take the video card from your known working terminal (if you can) and place it in this machine and see if it works with this monitor -Temporarily put a very high-quality monitor on this machine and see if it works -Once you are at your blank screen, see if you can switch VT's. If you can, see if any error messages are being displayed, particularly on VT 12. -Try booting this machine with a Live CD (BBC, Knoppix, Slax, etc...) and see if it works that way. That will tell you if it might be a problem specific to LTSP... > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 25 15:49:19 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:49:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cannot get machine booted In-Reply-To: <1088177730.29058.36.camel@localhost> References: <40DC39DB.3080605@nsd2.com> <1088175328.29058.30.camel@localhost> <40DC42A2.1010008@nsd2.com> <1088177730.29058.36.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40DC497F.2090205@maltzen.net> You might also try setting the run-level for one of these to 3 in the lts.conf file. That will boot the terminal to a command line, and then run 'sh /tmp/start_ws' on that terminal. X will probably fail but hopefully tell you why. Petre Quentin Hartman wrote: > On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 08:20, Dale Harkness wrote: > >>the monitor is a monitor we are using for >>other LTSP installs and they all work fine. after a while the screen >>does black out though, (i would say after 5 minutes or so). do you think >>maybe the refresh rate still has something to do with it? > > > Could be, hard to say for sure though. A couple of options (not > necessarily listed in the best order for testing): > > -Take the video card from your known working terminal (if you can) and > place it in this machine and see if it works with this monitor > > -Temporarily put a very high-quality monitor on this machine and see if > it works > > -Once you are at your blank screen, see if you can switch VT's. If you > can, see if any error messages are being displayed, particularly on VT > 12. > > -Try booting this machine with a Live CD (BBC, Knoppix, Slax, etc...) > and see if it works that way. That will tell you if it might be a > problem specific to LTSP... > > > >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From julius at turtle.com Fri Jun 25 15:55:47 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LVM - is anyone using this? In-Reply-To: <1088123361.1468.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1088123361.1468.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <3673.216.216.171.3.1088178947.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > Hi folks, > > Is anyone using LVM? > > I'm looking for a solution that will allow the addition of extra drive > space (100+ GB) to a server in approximately 18 months time. > > I've done this on Netware servers, so I understand the principles. I > believe LVM is similar to the way Netware does things. > > Thanks, > Bert Bert, i have been using LVM on hp-ux for many years now ao i was very happy to see it on Linux. alas, sistina lvm in both rh9 and fedora1 choked on array bigger than 300GB and it doesn't allow on-the-fly change to the size of the filesystems. it feels clumsy compared to the veritas one used by hp. julius From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Jun 25 15:55:14 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:55:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory--Question In-Reply-To: <1309.66.138.175.78.1088123663.squirrel@66.138.175.78> Message-ID: <PAEKIDGBAOLFGKPONICBMEFKCFAA.jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca> I also have LTSP auth'ing to Novell eDir When my students login for the first time into the LTSP, there is NO user account on the linux box, just in the Novell eDir. The PAM module will automagically create the new linux account,(it will also create all the appropriate groups that that user is a part of in NDS), create a new linux /home/user directory and then mount the Novell home into /home/user/nwhome I don't have to touch the linux box - nor the Novell box. I just create a user in the eDir and that is it! the toggle that you are looking for is likely the -a (note this is NOT the same as -A) ... see my configuration below. This is the config that works for me.... try it .... the last line may need to be changed to optional rather than required. I had taken this same configuration and put it on another server for a second school ... and it BROKE the whole thing. I could not even log in with the local root account. SO use this at your own risk. It works great for me, but I am not sure why it did not work the second time I tried the same config in a second school.... :-( = = = = /etc/pam.d/system-auth = = = = = #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ncp_auth.so nullok use_first_pass ndsserver=DBHSNS1:ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE,ou=2005.ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE,ou=200 6.ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE,ou=2007.ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE,ou=2008.ou=dbhs.ou=Cer dS.o=CE -a -d -L -u2000,4000,pn,gcd -g2000,4000,pn -A ## the -a switch seemed to make it magically create a new user in Linux ## from an existing Novell account ## ## # -zA = automount # -A = "Notice the -A argument is necessary for TCP/IP operation and you do not have to load the IPX protocol" # -d : turn on debugging output # -v : display reasons login failures on terminal (default) # -q : do not display login failures # -s : disallow SUPERVISOR from logging-in # -S : disallow SUPERVISOR equivalent from logging-in (NYI) # -uMIN,MAX,CFLAGS,MFLAGS : parameters for user creation # -gMIN,MAX,CFLAGS : parameters for group creation # # r : When creating user, it must take uid from UNIX:UID property. If uid # is already used, or object does not have UNIX:UID property, user is # not allowed to login. # p : When creating user, preffer uid from UNIX:UID property. # n : When inventing uid for new user, take one which is one greater than # highest used uid in MIN,MAX range. # f : When inventing uid #auth sufficient pam_stack.so service=system-authfor new user, take first unused in MIN,MAX range. # If you specify both 'r' and 'p', or both 'n' and 'f', behavior is undefined. # # User modification is enabled by non-empty MFLAGS option in -u parameter. # MFLAGS can consist of one or more following letters: # g : Update user's primary gid according to NDS database. # c : Update user's gecos (comment, full name) according to NDS database. # d : Update user's home directory according to NDS database. # s : Update user's shell according to NDS database. # # If -g,,r or -g,,p is specified, group's UNIX:GID attribute is read from NDS. # If attribute does not exist,and 'r' was not used, new gid is invented according # to min, max and n/f values in -g option. # # If -u,,r or -u,,p is specified, user's UNIX:UID attribute is read from NDS. # If attribute does not exist,and 'r' was not used, new uid is invented according # to min, max and n/f values in -g option. # # During user creation, home directory is retrieved from UNIX:Home Directory, # login shell from UNIX:Login Shell. If UNIX:Home Directory does not exist, # /home/$cn is used as home directory for user. If UNIX:Login Shell does not exist, # /bin/bash is used. auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 type= password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so session required pam_ncp_auth.so = = = = end of config file = = = = = = -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:34 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory--Question So I think I've figured out how to get Linux boxes auth'ing to edirectory...the holdup now is I have to manually create the home directories for new users. Has anyone done this? -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Jun 25 16:01:25 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:01:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: cannot get machine booted In-Reply-To: <20040625153543.C919573BEC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040625153543.C919573BEC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <E91A50FC-C6C0-11D8-8D33-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> On Jun 25, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Dale Harkness wrote: > i have a few IBM PC 340 desktops that have onboard video cards (Cirrus > Logic), about 16 MB of Ram, and about 3 GB of HD space. naturally > being such a slow machine i wanted to use this for LTSP, so i slapped > in a bootable NIC from Intel Pro 100. when i try to take this machine > onto LTSP it gets to the spot where it is starting XFree86, then just > sits there and does nothing. no error message on screen or anything. > i have let it go for a while and it does not proceed. i thought maybe > it might be the onboard video, so i slapped in a PCI based video card, > but same thing happens there too. is the IBM PC 340 just not going to > work, i have tried 2 or 3 and none seem to work. > Dale, I've heard of people having problems getting things to work with only 16 MB of RAM, especially with the newer versions of K21LTSP. Try adding some RAM (32 MB min.) and see what happens. Peace, Jimmy Schwankl From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Jun 25 16:04:12 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:04:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory-- Next Question In-Reply-To: <PAEKIDGBAOLFGKPONICBMEFKCFAA.jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <1309.66.138.175.78.1088123663.squirrel@66.138.175.78> <PAEKIDGBAOLFGKPONICBMEFKCFAA.jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <33208.170.211.161.217.1088179452.squirrel@170.211.161.217> Next question....I already have the user accounts created on the mail server and on edirectory. What will I need to do? The accounts are identical on each server (lastnamefirstinitial) -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Jun 25 16:10:41 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:41 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Management Problems In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F36i9leSbfLqoD00012e90@hotmail.com> References: <BAY1-F36i9leSbfLqoD00012e90@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <1088179840.4206.0.camel@roop.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 17:48, Noel Corbett wrote: > Hi Everyone... > I've got a Linux server setup at the school I work at and i've been > attempting to manage it remotely using putty from my home machine. My home > connection is a dsl line and the school connection is a dial up account. > Currently I'm trying to update the machine, it runs gentoo so it compiles > all the software but before I can get anything compiled the connection gets > dropped (usually as a result of a disconnect on the 56k end) and the compile > stops. > What i'd like to know is can i somehow get the emerge process to run in the > background so that i can disconnect from the machine and keep it running. I > live about 50km away from the school and only go in occasionally to perform > various tasks if I could do these updates from home I'd be a hap Noel Look at screen command. $man screen I think you may find answers. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Jun 25 16:17:46 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:47:46 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] cannot get machine booted In-Reply-To: <40DC39DB.3080605@nsd2.com> References: <40DC39DB.3080605@nsd2.com> Message-ID: <1088180265.4206.5.camel@roop.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 20:12, Dale Harkness wrote: > i have a few IBM PC 340 desktops that have onboard video cards (Cirrus > Logic), about 16 MB of Ram, and about 3 GB of HD space. naturally being > such a slow machine i wanted to use this for LTSP, so i slapped in a > bootable NIC from Intel Pro 100. when i try to take this machine onto > LTSP it gets to the spot where it is starting XFree86, then just sits > there and does nothing. no error message on screen or anything. i have > let it go for a while and it does not proceed. i thought maybe it might > be the onboard video, so i slapped in a PCI based video card, but same > thing happens there too. is the IBM PC 340 just not going to work, i > have tried 2 or 3 and none seem to work. Did you set use nfs swap to "Y" in the lts.conf file for this workstation? With memory less than 32mb GUI mode can only run with nfs swap enabled. Here too the first time you boot the machine will take a lot of time to boot as it creates a swap space on the server. Subsequent starts are okay. Secondly does the monitor light blink or turn colour during this period? If it does then you may be having a resolution set higher than display possible with that hardware. In my mind the first point is the issue. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 25 16:21:07 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:21:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME server project status? Message-ID: <1088180467.13592.92.camel@moola.futuresource.com> It looks like the free branch of the SME server project at www.contribs.org is in a shambles. After a hardware failure and replacment the maintainers seem to be saying they can't afford to do it any more. In some ways it has a real synergy with k12ltsp but in others the 'Linux for people who don't like Linux' design is as much a problem as the outdated RH 7.3 base distribution. Is anyone looking for a project to help? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Jun 25 16:21:41 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:21:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory-- Next Question In-Reply-To: <33208.170.211.161.217.1088179452.squirrel@170.211.161.217> Message-ID: <PAEKIDGBAOLFGKPONICBKEFLCFAA.jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Caleb, For fear of being rude, but why did you create all the accounts on the linux box? What then is the point of using eDir? For me the point was not having to create 400 student and staff accounts a second time, and then to keep the password sync'd. But now that you have the user accounts created, why do you want the linux <--> novell eDir interaction? I may be totally misunderstanding something here :-( I'm sorry if that is the case! How would I proceed? 1) delete all the user accounts on the linux box. Leave your own accounts, some test accounts, root, etc. ... on the linux box 2) install the PAM_NCP_AUTH according to the wiki documentation. ... see a previous post in this thread. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/InterOperability%3ANovellAuthentica tionforK12LTSP This is a well written document. It was immensely helpful to me when I set up the PAM module. 3) configure per my previous instructions, the wiki, and another previous poster in this thread. 4) let the computer do all the work for you! :-) and enjoy the results. Joe = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:04 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory-- Next Question Next question....I already have the user accounts created on the mail server and on edirectory. What will I need to do? The accounts are identical on each server (lastnamefirstinitial) -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Jun 25 16:25:46 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:25:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory-- Next Question In-Reply-To: <PAEKIDGBAOLFGKPONICBKEFLCFAA.jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <33208.170.211.161.217.1088179452.squirrel@170.211.161.217> <PAEKIDGBAOLFGKPONICBKEFLCFAA.jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <33208.170.211.161.217.1088180746.squirrel@170.211.161.217> Joe Guenther said: > Caleb, > > For fear of being rude, but why did you create all the accounts on the linux > box? What then is the point of using eDir? For me the point was not having > to create 400 student and staff accounts a second time, and then to keep the > password sync'd. But now that you have the user accounts created, why do > you want the linux <--> novell eDir interaction? I'm not creating this network from scratch. We have had this linux mail server for several years thus we have all our users and their accounts already managed on it. We are now implementing edirectory and want to tie our mail server into it so we won't have 2 sets of accounts to manage. -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 25 16:26:03 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:26:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LVM - is anyone using this? In-Reply-To: <3673.216.216.171.3.1088178947.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> References: <1088123361.1468.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> <3673.216.216.171.3.1088178947.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> Message-ID: <40DC521B.6050606@maltzen.net> Julius- Have you tried ext2online, which, on my box anyway, is called by e2fsadm which works similarly to HP's fsadm? It requires a kernel patch (which I haven't installed), but it sounds like it would bring it pretty close to HP's jfs. But I agree the Linux LVM is clumsy compared to HP's. Petre Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >>Hi folks, >> >>Is anyone using LVM? >> >>I'm looking for a solution that will allow the addition of extra drive >>space (100+ GB) to a server in approximately 18 months time. >> >>I've done this on Netware servers, so I understand the principles. I >>believe LVM is similar to the way Netware does things. >> >>Thanks, >>Bert > > Bert, > i have been using LVM on hp-ux for many years now ao i was very happy to > see it on Linux. alas, sistina lvm in both rh9 and fedora1 choked on > array bigger than 300GB and it doesn't allow on-the-fly change to the > size of the filesystems. it feels clumsy compared to the veritas one used > by hp. julius > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 25 16:33:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:33:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory-- Next Question In-Reply-To: <PAEKIDGBAOLFGKPONICBKEFLCFAA.jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <PAEKIDGBAOLFGKPONICBKEFLCFAA.jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <1088181228.13592.101.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 11:21, Joe Guenther wrote: > For fear of being rude, but why did you create all the accounts on the linux > box? What then is the point of using eDir? For me the point was not having > to create 400 student and staff accounts a second time, and then to keep the > password sync'd. But now that you have the user accounts created, why do > you want the linux <--> novell eDir interaction? Pam handles authentication and user account management as separate operations, so it is possible and often useful to create local Linux accounts but to not have to manage passwords there. I do something similar with an NT domain controller. Only people with accounts on specific machines can log in or get email but the passwords don't have to be set there. Also, it is possible to configure web server access so it doesn't need any account info and will set REMOTE_USER for anyone who passes the authentication step. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jun 25 16:37:28 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:37:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] cannot get machine booted In-Reply-To: <1088180265.4206.5.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <40DC39DB.3080605@nsd2.com> <1088180265.4206.5.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <1088181448.29060.38.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 09:17, Sudev Barar wrote: > Did you set use nfs swap to "Y" in the lts.conf file for this > workstation? With memory less than 32mb GUI mode can only run with nfs > swap enabled. Here too the first time you boot the machine will take a > lot of time to boot as it creates a swap space on the server. Subsequent > starts are okay. D'oh, good catch. I second this suggestion _whole heartedly_. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From julius at turtle.com Fri Jun 25 17:11:52 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LVM - is anyone using this? In-Reply-To: <OF8FF13BF9.DD876EF6-ONCA256EBE.0036B61A@lesbell.com.au> References: <OF8FF13BF9.DD876EF6-ONCA256EBE.0036B61A@lesbell.com.au> Message-ID: <3707.216.216.171.3.1088183512.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > > Bert Rolston <bert.rolston at clear.net.nz> wrote: > >>> > In Netware I could install a new drive in the machine then add some / > all of it's capacity to an existing volume. Is that a rough description > of LVM on linux? > << > > Yes, that's how it works. You'd slip in the new drive (hot-swap if your > hardware supports it), then format the drive (or a partition on it) as a > physical volume (fdisk & pvcreate) then add it to an existing volume group > (vgextend). From there, it's a matter of using lvcreate or lvextend to > either create a new logical volume or increase the size of an existing > one. > If you resize an existing one, bear in mind that you'll also have to > increase the size of the filesystem inside the logical volume - for ext2/3 > use resize2fs. See the man pages for details. > > Most of this has to be done in single-user maintenance mode, of course, > but > down-time is minimal when compared with backing up and restoring without > LVM. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP Les, this single -user mode is what i don't like about rh lvm. i want to be able to fo on linux what i've been doing for years on unix: add a drive to hot-swap enclosue, pvcreate, pvextend, lvextend and be done (if the fs was equal to the sise of lv). no stopping the system, not even a big hiccup. julius From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Jun 25 17:27:13 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:27:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Management Problems In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F36i9leSbfLqoD00012e90@hotmail.com> References: <BAY1-F36i9leSbfLqoD00012e90@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <1088184432.15381.152.camel@penguin> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 08:18, Noel Corbett wrote: > Hi Everyone... > I've got a Linux server setup at the school I work at and i've been > attempting to manage it remotely using putty from my home machine. My home > connection is a dsl line and the school connection is a dial up account. > Currently I'm trying to update the machine, it runs gentoo so it compiles > all the software but before I can get anything compiled the connection gets > dropped (usually as a result of a disconnect on the 56k end) and the compile > stops. > What i'd like to know is can i somehow get the emerge process to run in the > background so that i can disconnect from the machine and keep it running. I > live about 50km away from the school and only go in occasionally to perform > various tasks if I could do these updates from home I'd be a happy man. I use Gentoo also and screen is the best solution. emerge doesn't work well in the background as it keeps spitting out data. run screen and you can have multiple terminals one of which can be emerge'ing and another editing a config file. If you get kicked, screen detaches and keeps the job running. You can pop in and re-attach to see how things are going, then kick back out. You can also setup screen to divide the screen between 2 different terminals. 'emerge screen' today. :-) It's almost standard part of install for me anymore. I manage several Gentoo servers/routers. JSR/ From julius at turtle.com Fri Jun 25 17:30:23 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LVM - is anyone using this? In-Reply-To: <40DC521B.6050606@maltzen.net> References: <1088123361.1468.9.camel@rolston.localdomain><3673.216.216.171.3.10881 78947.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> <40DC521B.6050606@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <3739.216.216.171.3.1088184623.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > Julius- > Have you tried ext2online, which, on my box anyway, is called by e2fsadm > which > works similarly to HP's fsadm? It requires a kernel patch (which I > haven't > installed), but it sounds like it would bring it pretty close to HP's jfs. > But > I agree the Linux LVM is clumsy compared to HP's. > > Petre Petre, no i have not tried them. I might give them a whirl at next server install. My problem with lvm on linux is that it seems to be where lvm on hp was about 8 - 10 years ago. the stuff i'm using now is 4 years old and very well described .... julius From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Jun 25 17:49:09 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:49:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory-- Next Question In-Reply-To: <33208.170.211.161.217.1088180746.squirrel@170.211.161.217> Message-ID: <PAEKIDGBAOLFGKPONICBEEFNCFAA.jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Caleb, well that makes scense! so sorry to have butted in with my ignorance. :-( joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:26 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory-- Next Question Joe Guenther said: > Caleb, > > For fear of being rude, but why did you create all the accounts on the linux > box? What then is the point of using eDir? For me the point was not having > to create 400 student and staff accounts a second time, and then to keep the > password sync'd. But now that you have the user accounts created, why do > you want the linux <--> novell eDir interaction? I'm not creating this network from scratch. We have had this linux mail server for several years thus we have all our users and their accounts already managed on it. We are now implementing edirectory and want to tie our mail server into it so we won't have 2 sets of accounts to manage. -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jun 25 17:49:55 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:49:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: cannot get machine booted In-Reply-To: <E91A50FC-C6C0-11D8-8D33-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406251248070.4271-100000@leopards.k12.ar.us> the terminals should work with 16MB RAM but they will be slow and prone to restart themselves seemingly at random. I was running one of those Compaq all-in-one units with 8MB RAM. It would run about 5 minutes and restart X. Upped it to 16MB and it mught go 15 minutes to an hour. Bumped it to 24MB and it works very reliably with that. . . DS On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > On Jun 25, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Dale Harkness wrote: > > > i have a few IBM PC 340 desktops that have onboard video cards (Cirrus > > Logic), about 16 MB of Ram, and about 3 GB of HD space. naturally > > being such a slow machine i wanted to use this for LTSP, so i slapped > > in a bootable NIC from Intel Pro 100. when i try to take this machine > > onto LTSP it gets to the spot where it is starting XFree86, then just > > sits there and does nothing. no error message on screen or anything. > > i have let it go for a while and it does not proceed. i thought maybe > > it might be the onboard video, so i slapped in a PCI based video card, > > but same thing happens there too. is the IBM PC 340 just not going to > > work, i have tried 2 or 3 and none seem to work. > > > > Dale, > > I've heard of people having problems getting things to work with only > 16 MB of RAM, especially with the newer versions of K21LTSP. Try > adding some RAM (32 MB min.) and see what happens. > > Peace, > Jimmy Schwankl > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jun 25 17:56:39 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:56:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and Blank Screen Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406251252510.4271-100000@leopards.k12.ar.us> I had K12LTSP (rh9) on my system at home and it worked great including the vnc remote connection thing. A few days ago, I did a new, fresh install of K12LTSP (fc1) and got most everything back working again . .. BUT. . . Whenever I use vncviewer to try to get a remote session, I get the window, with the X cursor and a blank, black screen and that is all I get. What should I look for? This has always worked before. . . Even on other FC1 boxes I have set up using the same CD set. Thanks -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jun 25 18:00:39 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:00:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Management Problems In-Reply-To: <1088184432.15381.152.camel@penguin> References: <BAY1-F36i9leSbfLqoD00012e90@hotmail.com> <1088184432.15381.152.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1088186439.29060.46.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 10:27, Josiah Ritchie wrote: <snip> > I use Gentoo also and screen is the best solution. emerge doesn't work > well in the background as it keeps spitting out data. try "emerge --nospinner blah" to alleviate some of the data-spitting or "emerge blah 2>&1> /dev/null" to redirect all of the output to the bit-bucket... -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From dgough at papcs.com Fri Jun 25 18:07:45 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:07:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT PAM questions Message-ID: <1088186864.3304.13.camel@douglinux.papcs.com> I'm hoping that someone on this list can help me. I need to get my Linux workstations to automatically create a user when they authenticate against NIS. Does that make any sense? Or do I have to create the user manually on the workstation? Thanks, Doug Gough From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Jun 25 18:11:05 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:11:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT PAM questions In-Reply-To: <1088186864.3304.13.camel@douglinux.papcs.com> References: <1088186864.3304.13.camel@douglinux.papcs.com> Message-ID: <1088187065.15378.166.camel@penguin> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 14:07, Doug Gough wrote: > I'm hoping that someone on this list can help me. I need to get my Linux > workstations to automatically create a user when they authenticate > against NIS. Does that make any sense? Or do I have to create the user > manually on the workstation? That makes sense, but I don't know how to do it, other than messing with your pam config and some other stuff. I think RedHat has a prog that does this automatically if you are running K12LTSP. JSR/ From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jun 25 18:13:01 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:13:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LVM - is anyone using this? In-Reply-To: <OF8FF13BF9.DD876EF6-ONCA256EBE.0036B61A@lesbell.com.au> References: <OF8FF13BF9.DD876EF6-ONCA256EBE.0036B61A@lesbell.com.au> Message-ID: <1088187180.29060.51.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 03:04, Les Bell wrote: > Most of this has to be done in single-user maintenance mode, of course, but > down-time is minimal when compared with backing up and restoring without > LVM. If my understanding is correct, this is not necessarily true, the LVM modules just have to be unmounted. I run LVM on my home (gentoo, not rh) machine, and though I've never had occasion to do hot-adds, I seem to remember having to unmount and tweak some lv settings while the machine stayed up, and it seemed to work fine. I'm hardly an expert on LVM though... -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From williamm at timbercon.com Fri Jun 25 18:15:06 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William McCloskey) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:15:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Odd Ball Question - Music from command line Message-ID: <FEE0D345AB0A7D40ADCE4E7C400F8C6F5118B7@tcexchange.timbercon.timberconn.com> Does anyone know of any apps I can get that will play streaming music from a command line? I realize this is an oddball question but we want to use a stream from one server and output it from another server that doesn't have X installed and pipe it out to a lab via speakers connected to the servers. William J -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 25 18:14:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:14:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Management Problems In-Reply-To: <1088186439.29060.46.camel@localhost> References: <BAY1-F36i9leSbfLqoD00012e90@hotmail.com> <1088184432.15381.152.camel@penguin> <1088186439.29060.46.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1088187244.15756.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 13:00, Quentin Hartman wrote: > On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 10:27, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > <snip> > > I use Gentoo also and screen is the best solution. emerge doesn't work > > well in the background as it keeps spitting out data. > > try "emerge --nospinner blah" to alleviate some of the data-spitting or > "emerge blah 2>&1> /dev/null" to redirect all of the output to the > bit-bucket... The 'nohup' command will do the redirection to 'nohup.out' for you. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 25 18:16:55 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:16:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT PAM questions In-Reply-To: <1088186864.3304.13.camel@douglinux.papcs.com> References: <1088186864.3304.13.camel@douglinux.papcs.com> Message-ID: <1088187414.15756.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 13:07, Doug Gough wrote: > I'm hoping that someone on this list can help me. I need to get my Linux > workstations to automatically create a user when they authenticate > against NIS. Does that make any sense? Or do I have to create the user > manually on the workstation? The user account and related groups should automatically exist if NIS is configured. However you still need to provide a home directory. You can either NFS mount /home from the main server where the account exists or do something with the automounter to do each one on demand. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jun 25 18:17:18 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:17:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Odd Ball Question - Music from command line In-Reply-To: <FEE0D345AB0A7D40ADCE4E7C400F8C6F5118B7@tcexchange.timbercon.timberconn.com> References: <FEE0D345AB0A7D40ADCE4E7C400F8C6F5118B7@tcexchange.timbercon.timberconn.com> Message-ID: <1088187438.29058.56.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 11:15, William McCloskey wrote: > Does anyone know of any apps I can get that will play streaming music > from a command line? I know "ogg123" does, as I use to listen to my favorite radio streams when rhythmbox is being moody. I imagine "mpg123" does as well, but I've not tried it... -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From williamm at timbercon.com Fri Jun 25 18:24:11 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William J McCloskey) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:24:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Odd Ball Question - Music from command line In-Reply-To: <1088187438.29058.56.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200406251122716.SM00788@GYRO> I found mpg123 shortly after posting that to the mailing list, Now I'm trying to configure sound on that box, any tips? No sound stuff was installed at setup. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Quentin Hartman Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:17 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Odd Ball Question - Music from command line On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 11:15, William McCloskey wrote: > Does anyone know of any apps I can get that will play streaming music > from a command line? I know "ogg123" does, as I use to listen to my favorite radio streams when rhythmbox is being moody. I imagine "mpg123" does as well, but I've not tried it... -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jun 25 18:27:15 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:27:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hide files from view in Appletalk Message-ID: <000901c45ae2$0a840730$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Does anyone know of an equivalent command for Netatalk as veto files in Samba? I want to be sure users don't accidentally delete there mail directory out of their home folders. I have set up the veto in Samba but am lost for the Netatalk side. I have to keep full privileges for the user or the mail won't work right. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Fri Jun 25 19:00:19 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:00:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Auth'ing to Novell Edirectory--Question References: <PAEKIDGBAOLFGKPONICBMEFKCFAA.jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <40DC7642.2FE66CB6@coll-outao.qc.ca> How did you get the mail server (linux) so that the passwords gets and stays in sync with eDirectory? From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jun 25 18:59:08 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:59:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hide files from view in Appletalk In-Reply-To: <000901c45ae2$0a840730$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000001c45ae6$7e5edaa0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Nevermind, I guess you can just specify veto:/file/ as an option to the share. Thanks anyway. > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:27 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Hide files from view in Appletalk > > > Does anyone know of an equivalent command for Netatalk as > veto files in Samba? I want to be sure users don't > accidentally delete there mail directory out of their home > folders. I have set up the veto in Samba but am lost for the > Netatalk side. I have to keep full privileges for the user > or the mail won't work right. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jun 25 20:19:20 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:19:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Odd Ball Question - Music from command line In-Reply-To: <200406251122716.SM00788@GYRO> References: <200406251122716.SM00788@GYRO> Message-ID: <1088194759.6395.3.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 11:24, William J McCloskey wrote: > I found mpg123 shortly after posting that to the mailing list, Now I'm > trying to configure sound on that box, any tips? No sound stuff was > installed at setup. Since (I think) it's an RH box, I bet kudzu would detect the card. Otherwise, I would suggest just following one of the many Sound howto's online. The Linux Documentation Project (www.tldp.org) is a great resource, I'm sure they'll have something relevant. Generally, if your card is supported by ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound (?)Architecture) drivers , I would suggest using that as it's usually "just better" than OSS (Open Sound System), though that's not always the case. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From julius at turtle.com Fri Jun 25 20:31:06 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba misbehaving after upgrade from 3.1.2 to 4.0.1 Message-ID: <Pine.GHP.4.43.0406251625210.24820-100000@turtle.turtle.com> Dear Folks, I have just noticed (only 3 months late), that the samba shares on a sever running 4.0.1 are *not* accessible. The smb.conf files are the very same that were there at v 3.1.2, when everything worked fine. Same windoze boxen now can not get to user access level samba shares - the login window just cycles when i enter user name and password (correctly!). The smaba passwords are not used - the cleartext password registry values are set to 1, plus - it worked before! What am i missing here? julius From williamm at timbercon.com Fri Jun 25 21:05:34 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William J McCloskey) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:05:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Odd Ball Question - Music from command line In-Reply-To: <1088194759.6395.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20040625140322.SM00788@GYRO> I actually got it all figured out, I installed ALSA and MPG123 and it works great now :-D Thanks for the help guys. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Quentin Hartman Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:19 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Odd Ball Question - Music from command line On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 11:24, William J McCloskey wrote: > I found mpg123 shortly after posting that to the mailing list, Now I'm > trying to configure sound on that box, any tips? No sound stuff was > installed at setup. Since (I think) it's an RH box, I bet kudzu would detect the card. Otherwise, I would suggest just following one of the many Sound howto's online. The Linux Documentation Project (www.tldp.org) is a great resource, I'm sure they'll have something relevant. Generally, if your card is supported by ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound (?)Architecture) drivers , I would suggest using that as it's usually "just better" than OSS (Open Sound System), though that's not always the case. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Fri Jun 25 21:24:02 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:24:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.0.x with Thinknics Message-ID: <40DC97F2.8010307@chartermi.net> I didn't find anything in the list archives about anyone running K12LTSP 4.0.x, so I just wanted to check and see if anyone else is running 4.0.x with Thinknics? I'm currently running 3.1.2, but in comparing my 3.1.2 server to a 4.0.1 server, on perfectly identical hardware, 4.0.1 runs soooo much faster, so I'd like to wipe and do a fresh 4.0.1 install on my 3.1.2 server. If anyone's done the same thing and had any bumps, let me know. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Fri Jun 25 21:29:05 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:29:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <fc.004c57de00133c68004c57de00133c68.133c6b@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> References: <fc.004c57de00133c68004c57de00133c68.133c6b@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <40DC9921.5070503@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> David Trask wrote: >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.sxw > >here's the Samba LDAP how-to in OO format > > Hi David (et al): I've now got my Samba3+LDAP test domain up and running, and wanted to share a few places where I diverged from your tutorial, one major, one annoying, and one trivial: First the m,ajor one: please remove the "Set primary group script" line from smb.conf -- from what I can gather it is really unneccessary, and it makes it impossible to join NT4 clients to the domain. It must be a bug in the smbldap-usermod script (true of both 8.4 and 8.5), but commenting out that line saved what's left of my hair for the time being. The annoying item we already discussed on the list last week: if you use CPAN to install Crypt::SmbHash, you cannot install smbldap-tools*.rpm without either specifying the --nodeps option to rpm or going through the hassle of finding and installing athe Crypt_SmbHash rpm. The minor nit is the section on registry key hacking on XP. Samba3 has licked this one -- a fresh install of XP had no trouble joining the Samba3 domain. Other than those items, the howto as a whole is outstanding, and my new domain is working well. In fact, I just figured out how to setup replication so I can look at putting domain controllers out at all of my schools. Thanks again for all of your hard work David -- this type of document is as important as writing code when it comes to getting people actually using the software. Hope this helps the next traveler out... -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Fri Jun 25 22:00:32 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:00:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <40DC9921.5070503@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <fc.004c57de00133c68004c57de00133c68.133c6b@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DC9921.5070503@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <200406252300.33870.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David, Your guide is now ready. Please could you read it through and incorporate all your changes and maybe send me a patch? http://fedoranews.org/ghenry/ldap/ - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA3KCAeWseh9tzvqgRAntoAJ9CvWKz/fzuQm5SyOHyJYORHDcnaQCffgjw SNnvgdRLJpdP1J0PSUpyhD8= =EaAC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Fri Jun 25 23:25:04 2004 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:25:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing problem V4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <40D052A5.4010607@inlandlakes.org> References: <p06020401bcf41b726ea2@[192.168.1.100]> <p06020402bcf5f61199ed@[192.168.1.100]> <40D052A5.4010607@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40DCB450.6080801@physics.isu.edu> > I think I've seen a problem with hpijs (or some combination of those > letters) after an install/upgrade. Generally, I just let it remove > that package, and all seems well. Let me open this thread up a bit > and ask some questions: Not sure if this is related, but I thought I'd share. I have upgraded a few RH8 (K12LTSP 3 .0.x)based computers using lprng to FC1(K12LTSP 4.0.x) using cups. Most of the time after the upgrade, printing is broken. yum erase cups (and dependencies) and yum install cups (and dependencies), + reinstall printers gets it going. I'm sure there is a simpler way, I just haven't bothered to look too much. There is probably an easy work around if I bothered to google for it, but it hasn't caused me too much pain. This happens whether or not I'm using K12LTSP. after RH8> FC1 upgrade printing is broken too, so it is probably an upstream installer bug that didn't get fixed, or the solution was harder than the workaround. Who knows, maybe it's even in the release notes for FC1, but the link from the fedora site for FC1 points to FC2 Relase notes.. hmmmm. Ben From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Sat Jun 26 01:38:56 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:38:56 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format References: <fc.004c57de00133c68004c57de00133c68.133c6b@vcs.u52.k12.me.us><40DC9921.5070503@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> <200406252300.33870.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <00bc01c45b1e$59065430$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Can anyone tell me why when I follow David's instructions to the letter it wipes all the dirs /home so the added user can not log on! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Henry" <ghenry at suretecsystems.com> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > David, > > Your guide is now ready. Please could you read it through and incorporate all > your changes and maybe send me a patch? > > http://fedoranews.org/ghenry/ldap/ > > - -- > Kind Regards, > > Gavin Henry. > Managing Director. > > T +44 (0) 1224 587369 > M +44 (0) 7930 323266 > F +44 (0) 1224 742001 > E ghenry at suretecsystems.com > > Open Source. Open Solutions. > > http://www.suretecsystems.com/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFA3KCAeWseh9tzvqgRAntoAJ9CvWKz/fzuQm5SyOHyJYORHDcnaQCffgjw > SNnvgdRLJpdP1J0PSUpyhD8= > =EaAC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Sat Jun 26 03:39:35 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:39:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] vncviewer and FC1 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406252237001.6605-100000@leopards.k12.ar.us> I get a black screen with the X cursor when trying to connec to a FC1 terminal server. This same set of cd's has been used a number of times and it has always worked just fine. Until this time. . . does the same thing even running vncviewer from a workstation or from the console. Any ideas? -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Sat Jun 26 05:02:59 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:02:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.0.x with Thinknics In-Reply-To: <40DC97F2.8010307@chartermi.net> References: <40DC97F2.8010307@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <1217.66.138.175.62.1088226179.squirrel@66.138.175.62> Eric Feldhusen said: > I didn't find anything in the list archives about anyone running K12LTSP > 4.0.x, so I just wanted to check and see if anyone else is running 4.0.x > with Thinknics? I'm currently running 3.1.2, but in comparing my 3.1.2 > server to a 4.0.1 server, on perfectly identical hardware, 4.0.1 runs > soooo much faster, so I'd like to wipe and do a fresh 4.0.1 install on > my 3.1.2 server. If anyone's done the same thing and had any bumps, let > me know. I did and I had bumps. Its fine though. You just can't really use your old lts.conf...you have to use the new one (picky about quotations and the sort.) One hangup was I used Xvesa on my 3.x box and I couldn't get the machines to display. Turns out it's just called vesa on 4.x. -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From andyr at wizzy.com Sat Jun 26 07:44:38 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:44:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT PAM questions In-Reply-To: <1088187414.15756.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1088186864.3304.13.camel@douglinux.papcs.com> <1088187414.15756.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040626074438.GC8636@wizzy.com> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 13:07, Doug Gough wrote: > > I'm hoping that someone on this list can help me. I need to get my Linux > > workstations to automatically create a user when they authenticate > > against NIS. Does that make any sense? Or do I have to create the user > > manually on the workstation? > > The user account and related groups should automatically exist > if NIS is configured. However you still need to provide a > home directory. You can either NFS mount /home from the > main server where the account exists or do something with > the automounter to do each one on demand. I use LDAP, not NIS. I add the following to /etc/pam.d/gdm :- session required /lib/security/pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=077 Then I only need to create the LDAP entry, and when they log in their home directory is created from /etc/skel. Cheers, Andy! From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jun 26 10:20:32 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:20:32 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] samba misbehaving after upgrade from 3.1.2 to 4.0.1 Message-ID: <200406260903.i5Q93qh27049@downeast.net> julius..you probably moved from samba 2 to samba 3..might have to tweak something??chuck > Dear Folks, > I have just noticed (only 3 months late), that the samba shares on > a sever running 4.0.1 are *not* accessible. The smb.conf files are the > very same that were there at v 3.1.2, when everything worked fine. Same > windoze boxen now can not get to user access level samba shares - the login > window just cycles when i enter user name and password (correctly!). The > smaba passwords are not used - the cleartext password registry values are > set to 1, plus - it worked before! What am i missing here? julius > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From raven_512 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 26 12:54:46 2004 From: raven_512 at hotmail.com (Noel Corbett) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:54:46 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Management Problems Message-ID: <BAY1-F5q4BTDLhmXL3z0001be55@hotmail.com> Thanks Quentin and all the others that made suggestions screen appears to work like a charm it is also nice to be able to work on multiple things without opening putty many times.. Gentoo is great especially the support, almost as good as this list ;) Thanks Everyone Noel Message: 5 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:51:55 -0700 From: Quentin Hartman <qhartman at lane.k12.or.us> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Remote Management Problems To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <1088175115.29058.25.camel at localhost> Content-Type: text/plain On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 05:18, Noel Corbett wrote: >What i'd like to know is can i somehow get the emerge process to run in the >background so that i can disconnect from the machine and keep it running. >I live about 50km away from the school and only go in occasionally to >perform various tasks if I could do these updates from home I'd be a happy >man. I would use two tools to accomplish this, screen and the -f option for emerge. The -f option (ie- "emerge -f world") fetches all the files needed for that particular emerge process, but does not go on to compile them. This is handy for use on dial-up systems where big idle times can cause problems. Whenever I am running on a flaky link, I do "emerge -f blah && emerge blah", this runs the fetch and install one right after the other. The install will only get run if the fetch succeeds. Screen is a real gem for remote administration. Basically, it allows the same functionality of virtual terminals over a single ssh connection, and (the real nice part) anything running inside a screen process does not die if you disconnect. First install it "emerge screen", it's small so it won't take long. then just type "screen". It will look like it just cleared the screen, but now you are running a shell inside a new screen session. To create a new "vt" hit "ctrl-a" then "c" (for Create). To switch from session to session hit "ctrl-a" then "n" for the next one, or "ctrl-a" then "p" for the previous. To attach to a running screen process that is detached, type "screen -r" at a command prompt. These basic commands will get you going, but there is a lot more. Nice to see another Gentoo user on the list :). -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us _________________________________________________________________ There?s never been a better time to get Xtra JetStream @ http://xtra.co.nz/jetstream From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Jun 26 14:05:52 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:05:52 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] Terminal Services for Windows Message-ID: <200406261005.52978.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Thursday 24 June 2004 06:54 pm, Shawn Powers wrote: > Ok -- the reason I asked is that I couldn't get the "rdesktop -s" option > to work... I dunno what is meant by "shell" -- but doing a "man > rdesktop" it talks about application mode. I just havne't been able to > make it do anything. :) With rdesktop the -s 'path to program' opens the program instead of the regular desktop. For example; Try rdesktop -f -a 16 -d udjcampus udjsvr17:3389 -s 'c:\scripts\WebMatrix.bat' John From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sat Jun 26 16:04:51 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:04:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Log in and VNC Message-ID: <40DD9EA3.1030201@elp.rr.com> Is there a way that when a student logs on to his or her terminal that their side of VNC can be started with out their having to do anything else? I think that it should also be such, if possible, that a student can't close a VNC session without completely logging off their terminal. I have students who would bypass VNC if they are given any opportunity. Thanks Pat From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Jun 26 17:19:46 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:19:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <20040616160015.5883E73E9E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040616160015.5883E73E9E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1088270386.26869.13.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Hello, I walked through the steps without a hitch. But I have performed a few tests by attaching my_document.pif and your_picture.pif to a couple of emails and they go through. Any thoughts or comments? Thanks, John From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Jun 26 17:57:32 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:57:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..CSS is better In-Reply-To: <40DAFBB2.8000809@freespace.net> References: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> <7B2293D9-C5F2-11D8-B19E-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <40DAFBB2.8000809@freespace.net> Message-ID: <40DDB90C.9080302@snet.net> Steve wrote: > >> I've been working with our web developer on fixing a problem that was >> created years ago. Similar situation, use this product because it is >> cool. However we have spent the last 6 months trying to clean up all >> the problems/hacks. In the process we came across a great web page >> aimed at the design industry. http://csszengarden.com/ Their goal is >> to encourage designers to use a standard piece of validated html. They >> are not allowed to change the html. They are allowed to change the css >> to implement their designs. We actually showed this to our staff in an >> effort to explain why correct, validated, html was more important in >> the long run. Using standards means that web content does not break >> down when viewed in different browsers. i.e They work in non IE >> environments. So perhaps sharing this with the folks may help. It is >> very pretty and we all know how much more important eye candy is over >> content ;) > > > Wow this is fantastic, I am trying to get to grips with css and this > site ahs really motivated me. > > And now I can show people this and explain why it is important to get > the foundations right. > > Lurking on this list has taught me alot :-) > Steve > > Lurking on this list has taught me alot :-) I have to concur with that sentiment. Anyway, I took y'all's advice and started to teach myself CSS. School-Library.net had been previously laid out with tables and was a bit messy. Take a look at the difference CSS has made: 1. old index page: http://baldwinets.tripod.com/index_Copy_1.htm 2. new look: http://www.school-library.net 3. new SLN Linux page: http://linux.school-library.net What do you think? -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From les at futuresource.com Sat Jun 26 20:36:12 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:36:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..CSS is better In-Reply-To: <40DDB90C.9080302@snet.net> References: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> <7B2293D9-C5F2-11D8-B19E-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <40DAFBB2.8000809@freespace.net> <40DDB90C.9080302@snet.net> Message-ID: <1088282172.27179.47.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-06-26 at 12:57, anthony baldwin wrote: > > Anyway, I took y'all's advice and started to teach myself CSS. > School-Library.net had been previously laid out with tables and was a > bit messy. Take a look at the difference CSS has made: Don't forget you can go one more step on the server side and still follow standards by using xml for data (either static files or generated dynamically) and xsl to control the layout (you'll still probably want css to control the appearance). Then the people/programs updating the data do not need to know anything at all about the ways it will be displayed. Unfortunately there is still no generic standard for the server commands to perform the xslt transformation but most servers/languages have it these days and generate the same output. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Jun 27 00:04:39 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:04:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] /spool/mail question Message-ID: <40DE0F17.20209@inlandlakes.org> This isn't LTSP specific -- but is there a proper way (or a reason NOT to) to use NFS to export the /var/spool/mail directory from my email server to all my LTSP servers? It would make email programs a lot easier to set up, since "local mail" would literally be the actual email system mail. I'm not sure what happens with someone on machine1 sends local mail to username1 at the same time that username1 gets a *real* email on the email server. Does NFS locking work in this case? I obviously don't want to break email -- but if all the computers shared a common /var/spool/mail, it would add some convienience. Anyone doing this? Is this a common thing in *nix systems? Is this an insane idea? Thanks a bunch, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org --<Disclaimer, now required for frustrating reasons>-- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Jun 27 00:12:46 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:12:46 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] Terminal Services for Windows In-Reply-To: <200406261005.52978.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200406261005.52978.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <40DE10FE.2000907@inlandlakes.org> John Hansknecht wrote: > Try rdesktop -f -a 16 -d udjcampus udjsvr17:3389 -s > 'c:\scripts\WebMatrix.bat' I'm not at a computer that I can try with with XP Pro -- but I'll definitely fiddle when the win2003 server arrives. If it works for you folks, hopefully I can get it to work for me. :) Do they get the standard login window, then it switches to a single app? Does closing the window for the app log them out, or are they still logged in with the single application running? If so, do subsequent logins get you back the program as you left it? Thank again for all your help, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org --<Disclaimer, now required for frustrating reasons>-- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sun Jun 27 00:50:51 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:50:51 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] Terminal Services for Windows In-Reply-To: <40DE10FE.2000907@inlandlakes.org> References: <200406261005.52978.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> <40DE10FE.2000907@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200406262050.51261.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Saturday 26 June 2004 08:12 pm, Shawn Powers wrote: > Do they get the standard login window, then it switches to a single app? > Does closing the window for the app log them out, or are they still > logged in with the single application running? If so, do subsequent > logins get you back the program as you left it? They get the standard windows small logon screen with username and password boxes (doesn't show the full screen windows background). Then it goes right into the application. The -f flag makes it full screen, without the -f you will have an rdesktop application window on Linux with the windows application inside that window. -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From les at futuresource.com Sun Jun 27 01:16:23 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:16:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] /spool/mail question In-Reply-To: <40DE0F17.20209@inlandlakes.org> References: <40DE0F17.20209@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1088298983.27652.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-06-26 at 19:04, Shawn Powers wrote: > This isn't LTSP specific -- but is there a proper way (or a reason NOT > to) to use NFS to export the /var/spool/mail directory from my email > server to all my LTSP servers? It would make email programs a lot > easier to set up, since "local mail" would literally be the actual email > system mail. > > I'm not sure what happens with someone on machine1 sends local mail to > username1 at the same time that username1 gets a *real* email on the > email server. Does NFS locking work in this case? With old-style unix mailbox format where all messages are appended together in one big file, locking has always been a problem when using NFS. If you really want to use NFS, a better way is to use Maildir format where each message is a single file. These normally go in each user's home directory so if you perform delivery on the server holding the home dirs they will appear wherever you mount them. Qmail will default to maildir format but procmail knows how to do it too and is the usual local delivery agent for sendmail - you just need a different .procmailrc. > Anyone doing this? Is this a common thing in *nix systems? Is this an > insane idea? It's probably better to use IMAP on the server holding the home dirs but direct access with a maildir-aware MUA should also be safe. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Jun 27 01:30:42 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:30:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP Message-ID: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Ok....I know nothing of Windows Terminal server 2003, but I do know that I want to get completely away from imaging hard drives and all. I also want to make my entire network available to use thin clients and K12LTSP. At least for a couple more years I'm not sure I can switch completely away from Windows. I do know that rdesktop can be used to access a Windows terminal server. Here's my question: I've been reading a lot about TSL's or Terminal server licenses for Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Does this mean that I have to have some special license server to use it with rdesktop or something like that? Those of you who run Windows Terminal server in an environment like this...can you give me some advice? I'm exploring possibilities right now. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Jun 27 01:36:27 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:36:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <00bc01c45b1e$59065430$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <fc.004c57de00133c68004c57de00133c68.133c6b@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DC9921.5070503@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> <, > <200406252300.33870.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <,> <00bc01c45b1e$59065430$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <fc.004c57de00136de5004c57de00133c68.136de6@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> I'm confused....I read through it...this is the OLD version....the new version is here..... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.html "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> writes: >> David, >> >> Your guide is now ready. Please could you read it through and >incorporate >all >> your changes and maybe send me a patch? >> >> http://fedoranews.org/ghenry/ldap/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Jun 27 01:41:51 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:41:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <40DC9921.5070503@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <fc.004c57de00133c68004c57de00133c68.133c6b@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DC9921.5070503@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <fc.004c57de00136deb004c57de00133c68.136dee@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Thanks for the tips Chris! :-) I actually will be rewriting some of this in the next few weeks. I learned some new things from Derek Dresser when I was helping him do a session on Samba/LDAP at the annual Gould Academy Linux Summer Seminar. I'm going to add some stuff for simple ACL's and so forth....I will also make the changes you recommended. One note: as for the WinXP registry stuff...I wasn't sure if Samba 3 had this licked....hence it was a copy and paste afterthought. ;-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> writes: >David Trask wrote: > >>http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.sxw >> >>here's the Samba LDAP how-to in OO format >> >> >Hi David (et al): > >I've now got my Samba3+LDAP test domain up and running, and wanted to >share a few places where I diverged from your tutorial, one major, one >annoying, and one trivial: > >First the m,ajor one: please remove the "Set primary group script" line >from smb.conf -- from what I can gather it is really unneccessary, and >it makes it impossible to join NT4 clients to the domain. It must be a >bug in the smbldap-usermod script (true of both 8.4 and 8.5), but >commenting out that line saved what's left of my hair for the time being. > >The annoying item we already discussed on the list last week: if you use >CPAN to install Crypt::SmbHash, you cannot install smbldap-tools*.rpm >without either specifying the --nodeps option to rpm or going through >the hassle of finding and installing athe Crypt_SmbHash rpm. > >The minor nit is the section on registry key hacking on XP. Samba3 has >licked this one -- a fresh install of XP had no trouble joining the >Samba3 domain. > >Other than those items, the howto as a whole is outstanding, and my new >domain is working well. In fact, I just figured out how to setup >replication so I can look at putting domain controllers out at all of my >schools. > >Thanks again for all of your hard work David -- this type of document is >as important as writing code when it comes to getting people actually >using the software. > >Hope this helps the next traveler out... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Jun 27 02:30:17 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:30:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <40DE3139.9070206@inlandlakes.org> David Trask wrote: >I've been reading a lot about TSL's or Terminal server licenses for >Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Does this mean that I have to have some >special license server to use it with rdesktop or something like that? > > David, Few salesmen understand the licensing for terminal sessions. Here's the skinny as far as I know. (someone correct me if I'm wrong) For the "Microsoft way" to connect to a terminal server, using their software, you are required to have: (1) Server OS license. then for the clients, (1) OS license for the terminal (running win98 or winCE something like that) (1) CAL for accessing the server (1) TCAL for accesing the server as a terminal (and requesting a session) (1) license for each app installed on the server. ie, I have to have 75 Office 2003 licenses on the machine, whether or not more than 1 person will actually *use* it -- I still have to have the license for all possible connectees. The way LTSP saves a little money is that there is no need for that first license, ie the "Win98 or WinCE" on the terminal. That's how LTSP is the cheapest way to implement Microsoft Terminals. I hope that is clear. PLEASE realize that even if your salesman says you only need a TCAL -- they are wrong. You need a CAL and a TCAL for each device or user. (That's another twist, you can assign the licences to specific units, or to specific users -- or a combination. For most folks like us, it's easiest to just get the license for each thin client.) I'm still waiting for my servers to arrive -- but the notion of the rdesktop -s flag is exciting, as it could just "embed" a windows app into a standard linux desktop. I like that idea. :) -Shawn From haysja at sages.us Sun Jun 27 03:01:47 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:01:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> David: You will need: 1) A MS OS license for each terminal (even though you won't use MS OS on the clients.) 2) A MS CAL for each terminal (~$7 each) 3) A MS Terminal CAL for each terminal (~$40 each) For example, if you have 50 K12LTSP terminals that will access the MS Terminal Server (not necessarily concurrently), you will need 50 CALS, 50 TS CALS, and 50 MS OS licenses plus 50 licenses for any application (Offiice?). Using K12LTSP for clients will not save you any software money at all. It may save you some hardware $$ It is exactly this kind of licensing **crap** that is driving us to K12LTSP......... David Trask wrote: >Ok....I know nothing of Windows Terminal server 2003, but I do know that I >want to get completely away from imaging hard drives and all. I also want >to make my entire network available to use thin clients and K12LTSP. At >least for a couple more years I'm not sure I can switch completely away >from Windows. I do know that rdesktop can be used to access a Windows >terminal server. Here's my question: > >I've been reading a lot about TSL's or Terminal server licenses for >Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Does this mean that I have to have some >special license server to use it with rdesktop or something like that? >Those of you who run Windows Terminal server in an environment like >this...can you give me some advice? I'm exploring possibilities right now. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Jun 27 03:07:31 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:07:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> Message-ID: <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> Jim Hays wrote: > 1) A MS OS license for each terminal (even though you won't use MS OS > on the clients.) Can anyone verify this? If this is the case, I'm currently in violation with my rollout for next year... I actually thought this was the way that LTSP was the cheapest way to implement Microsoft... It's very likely I'm wrong though, it's happened a time or two in the past. :) -Shawn From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Jun 27 03:15:20 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:15:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DE3139.9070206@inlandlakes.org> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DE3139.9070206@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <fc.004c57de00136e1d004c57de00136dd3.136e1e@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> writes: >I'm still waiting for my servers to arrive -- but the notion of the >rdesktop -s flag is exciting, as it could just "embed" a windows app >into a standard linux desktop. I like that idea. :) me too! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Jun 27 03:18:34 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:18:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> Message-ID: <fc.004c57de00136e1f004c57de00136dd3.136e22@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> writes: >David: > >You will need: > >1) A MS OS license for each terminal (even though you won't use MS OS >on the clients.) >2) A MS CAL for each terminal (~$7 each) *I have these already due to having the Core Desktop School Agreement (don't use them currently...have no Windows servers that they connect to :-) ) > >3) A MS Terminal CAL for each terminal (~$40 each) *I may buy these...simply to save time, effort, and $$$ on the hardware end...I hate imaging machines. > > >For example, if you have 50 K12LTSP terminals that will access the MS >Terminal Server (not necessarily concurrently), you will need 50 CALS, >50 TS CALS, and 50 MS OS licenses plus 50 licenses for any application >(Offiice?). *All set here due the aforementioned School Agreement > > >Using K12LTSP for clients will not save you any software money at all. >It may save you some hardware $$ > >It is exactly this kind of licensing **crap** that is driving us to >K12LTSP......... AMEN! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ybjones at one.net Sun Jun 27 03:41:04 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:41:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> Message-ID: <20040627033530.NBUP27242.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> > You will need: > > 1) A MS OS license for each terminal (even though you won't > use MS OS on the clients.) > 2) A MS CAL for each terminal (~$7 each) > 3) A MS Terminal CAL for each terminal (~$40 each) According to this KB article - http://support.microsoft.com/?id=823313 - it does not look like this is correct. -Yancey From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sun Jun 27 03:39:44 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:39:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40DE4180.9010906@elp.rr.com> Yes because the possibility of access and use is there. Bye Pat Shawn Powers wrote: > Jim Hays wrote: > >> 1) A MS OS license for each terminal (even though you won't use MS >> OS on the clients.) > > > Can anyone verify this? If this is the case, I'm currently in > violation with my rollout for next year... I actually thought this > was the way that LTSP was the cheapest way to implement Microsoft... > > It's very likely I'm wrong though, it's happened a time or two in the > past. :) > > -Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Jun 27 03:50:54 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:50:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DE4180.9010906@elp.rr.com> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> <40DE4180.9010906@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <40DE441E.4060004@inlandlakes.org> John P. Conlon wrote: > Yes because the possibility of access and use is there. I just don't read that anywhere -- someone please point me in the right direction. I understand that I need a TCAL for using the session, and a CAL for actually accessing the server -- but I think the Terminal OS license is only required if you use a Microsoft OS Terminal (ie a WinCE thin client or something) I dont' doubt that Microsoft would want to charge for an OS license on the client -- but I dont' think in this particular case they can... Also, looking at the Riverdale Case Study -- there were no licenses purchased for Microsoft OS on the thin clients. Please, more feedback -- especially from folks that have done this... thanks, -Shawn From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jun 27 04:08:26 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:08:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20040627033530.NBUP27242.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040627033530.NBUP27242.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <40DE483A.5030609@cfl.rr.com> Thats a good article, I recommend going with the TS "device" CAL for use with K12LTSP, so the device can just be the LTSP server and all users can get to it. Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > > >>You will need: >> >>1) A MS OS license for each terminal (even though you won't >>use MS OS on the clients.) >>2) A MS CAL for each terminal (~$7 each) >>3) A MS Terminal CAL for each terminal (~$40 each) >> >> > >According to this KB article - http://support.microsoft.com/?id=823313 - it >does not look like this is correct. > >-Yancey > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Jun 27 05:34:24 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:34:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... Message-ID: <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> Hi, I got back from freegeek with my $20 thin client guinea pig. It's a gateway e-1000. I looked online and the NIC is 10/100, and supports PXE booting. 128megs of ram. P233. So, now I'm trying to get my k12ltsp 4.0.1 install working properly. At first it wasn't getting an IP addy. But now it is but the next line on the bootup screen stalls at It says: PXE-EA1: No PXE Server found, using standard boot file. tftp . . . . (and those dots take forever to appear). Then it says. TFTP open timeout. TFTP open timeout . Exiting PCNet-FAST PXE I've gone over dhcpd.conf and lts.conf till I'm blue in the face. I'm pointing to a real kernel, etc. But it's not even doing the tftp dance at all. Any ideas? Thanks, ck From mross at esd165.org Sun Jun 27 08:34:39 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:34:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... In-Reply-To: <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> References: <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <40DE869F.2000505@esd165.org> Carl, there could be a couple of things wrong here: 1. Are you on the correct network to connect to your server? You need to be on the same network as your Eth0 network card on your server. While this may seem obvious, you should double check to make sure. 2. Is the card updated to a new enough version of PXE? Check to see if there is a firmware update for your card. I have a bunch of DELL GXa's which won't boot until I update the Bios (Which updates the firmware for the onboard NIC). I've also seen PCI cards which support PXE boot but won't boot to LTSP until they've been upgraded as well. Hope this helps. --Matt Ross Carl Keil wrote: >Hi, > >I got back from freegeek with my $20 thin client guinea pig. It's a gateway >e-1000. I looked online and the NIC is 10/100, and supports PXE booting. >128megs of ram. P233. > >So, now I'm trying to get my k12ltsp 4.0.1 install working properly. At >first it wasn't getting an IP addy. But now it is but the next line on the >bootup screen stalls at >It says: > >PXE-EA1: No PXE Server found, using standard boot file. > >tftp . . . . (and those dots take forever to appear). > >Then it says. >TFTP open timeout. >TFTP open timeout . >Exiting PCNet-FAST PXE > >I've gone over dhcpd.conf and lts.conf till I'm blue in the face. I'm >pointing to a real kernel, etc. But it's not even doing the tftp dance at >all. > >Any ideas? > >Thanks, > >ck > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Sun Jun 27 11:46:28 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:46:28 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <fc.004c57de00136de5004c57de00133c68.136de6@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> References: <fc.004c57de00133c68004c57de00133c68.133c6b@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <00bc01c45b1e$59065430$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> <fc.004c57de00136de5004c57de00133c68.136de6@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <200406271246.29845.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 27 Jun 2004 02:36, David Trask wrote: > I'm confused....I read through it...this is the OLD version....the new > version is here..... > > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.html If you could clean this up, then I'll use it. It is very bably formated, hence why it tool us so long to re-tag it. OO is bad at saving html. ;-) > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> > > writes: > >> David, > >> > >> Your guide is now ready. Please could you read it through and > > > >incorporate > >all > > > >> your changes and maybe send me a patch? > >> > >> http://fedoranews.org/ghenry/ldap/ > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA3rOUeWseh9tzvqgRAgWFAJ9Ryt2oxuoNXVwwVBMXl8c6nOmO3QCeO9p3 m+AHJnyaS5BI4QPkbNIqWFQ= =bx4N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From moligney at earthlink.net Sun Jun 27 12:02:08 2004 From: moligney at earthlink.net (Mike Oligney) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:02:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP Message-ID: <001f01c45c3e$9335a270$0300a8c0@mikey> Shawn: This sounds correct. We are using MS terminal Services in addition we have a Cal for Citrix for each desktop. One grey area is the licensing for the MS apps if you meter the usage and they are open licenses. In other words they were not purchased installed on a particular PC. One help we have found is the MS Fresh Start program that allows a free Desktop license (W98 or W2k) for schools that are using donated PC,s. Saves $50.00 per station. Because of this program we did not switch to using Linux and Citrix on the desktop, which works very well by the way. MIke Few salesmen understand the licensing for terminal sessions. Here's the skinny as far as I know. (someone correct me if I'm wrong) For the "Microsoft way" to connect to a terminal server, using their software, you are required to have: (1) Server OS license. then for the clients, (1) OS license for the terminal (running win98 or winCE something like that) (1) CAL for accessing the server (1) TCAL for accesing the server as a terminal (and requesting a session) (1) license for each app installed on the server. ie, I have to have 75 Office 2003 licenses on the machine, whether or not more than 1 person will actually *use* it -- I still have to have the license for all possible connectees. The way LTSP saves a little money is that there is no need for that first license, ie the "Win98 or WinCE" on the terminal. That's how LTSP is the cheapest way to implement Microsoft Terminals. I hope that is clear. PLEASE realize that even if your salesman says you only need a TCAL -- they are wrong. You need a CAL and a TCAL for each device or user. (That's another twist, you can assign the licences to specific units, or to specific users -- or a combination. For most folks like us, it's easiest to just get the license for each thin client.) I'm still waiting for my servers to arrive -- but the notion of the rdesktop -s flag is exciting, as it could just "embed" a windows app into a standard linux desktop. I like that idea. :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20040627/35a6c743/attachment.htm> From julius at turtle.com Sun Jun 27 12:09:47 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] /spool/mail question In-Reply-To: <40DE0F17.20209@inlandlakes.org> References: <40DE0F17.20209@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <3306.192.168.1.247.1088338187.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > This isn't LTSP specific -- but is there a proper way (or a reason NOT > to) to use NFS to export the /var/spool/mail directory from my email > server to all my LTSP servers? It would make email programs a lot > easier to set up, since "local mail" would literally be the actual email > system mail. > > I'm not sure what happens with someone on machine1 sends local mail to > username1 at the same time that username1 gets a *real* email on the > email server. Does NFS locking work in this case? > > I obviously don't want to break email -- but if all the computers shared > a common /var/spool/mail, it would add some convienience. > > Anyone doing this? Is this a common thing in *nix systems? Is this an > insane idea? > > Thanks a bunch, > -Shawn Shawn, theoretically it sounds like a good idea, practically it is not. first, nfs locking is advisory, that is several processes writing to the same file are apt to destroy it, and mail resides in *one* file. if you want a central repository, select a machine that will carry all the mail (not necessary the same as mail server), run imapd on it and use a webmail setup. this allows you access to mail from just about anywhere and all the mail sits on one machine (this machine needs to have all the user accounts). this setup is pretty straightforward and it works well. julius From johnnyb at eskimo.com Sun Jun 27 12:18:34 2004 From: johnnyb at eskimo.com (Jonathan Bartlett) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 05:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.58.0406270517160.16756@eskimo.com> On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > Jim Hays wrote: > > > 1) A MS OS license for each terminal (even though you won't use MS OS > > on the clients.) > > Can anyone verify this? If this is the case, I'm currently in violation > with my rollout for next year... I actually thought this was the way > that LTSP was the cheapest way to implement Microsoft... The licensing FAQ for Terminal Services on Windows is self-contradictory in several places - which basically gives them the ability to interpret it in any way to screw you. I'll try to dig up the link. Jon From johnnyb at eskimo.com Sun Jun 27 12:26:00 2004 From: johnnyb at eskimo.com (Jonathan Bartlett) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 05:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.4.58.0406270517160.16756@eskimo.com> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> <Pine.SUN.4.58.0406270517160.16756@eskimo.com> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.58.0406270525010.16756@eskimo.com> Here's the FAQ page - it looks like at most you need CALs and TCALs + application licenses. http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/pricing/tsfaq.asp Jon On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Jonathan Bartlett wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Jim Hays wrote: > > > > > 1) A MS OS license for each terminal (even though you won't use MS OS > > > on the clients.) > > > > Can anyone verify this? If this is the case, I'm currently in violation > > with my rollout for next year... I actually thought this was the way > > that LTSP was the cheapest way to implement Microsoft... > > The licensing FAQ for Terminal Services on Windows is self-contradictory > in several places - which basically gives them the ability to interpret it > in any way to screw you. I'll try to dig up the link. > > Jon > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jun 27 14:01:31 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:01:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DE441E.4060004@inlandlakes.org> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> <40DE4180.9010906@elp.rr.com> <40DE441E.4060004@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40DED33B.90605@cmosnetworks.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> Yes because the possibility of access and use is there. > > > I just don't read that anywhere -- someone please point me in the > right direction. I understand that I need a TCAL for using the > session, and a CAL for actually accessing the server -- but I think > the Terminal OS license is only required if you use a Microsoft OS > Terminal (ie a WinCE thin client or something) > > I dont' doubt that Microsoft would want to charge for an OS license on > the client -- but I dont' think in this particular case they can... > > Also, looking at the Riverdale Case Study -- there were no licenses > purchased for Microsoft OS on the thin clients. > > Please, more feedback -- especially from folks that have done this... > > thanks, > -Shawn > Do your apps run on WINE or CrossOver Office? If so, you'd avoid all of the above CAL/TCAL/WinServer licensing crap. And yes, it is complicated; I used to be a MS reseller a few years ago, and I had to be very careful when making a quote for someone, especially if it involved Windows Terminal Server. Isn't this why folks, e. g. the Paul Nelsons of the world, are moving to Free Software in the first place? To get their freedom back from the likes of this crap? Someone, please tell me if I'm wrong. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jun 27 14:08:25 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:08:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] /spool/mail question In-Reply-To: <3306.192.168.1.247.1088338187.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> References: <40DE0F17.20209@inlandlakes.org> <3306.192.168.1.247.1088338187.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> Message-ID: <40DED4D9.5040707@cmosnetworks.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >>This isn't LTSP specific -- but is there a proper way (or a reason NOT >>to) to use NFS to export the /var/spool/mail directory from my email >>server to all my LTSP servers? It would make email programs a lot >>easier to set up, since "local mail" would literally be the actual email >>system mail. >> >>I'm not sure what happens with someone on machine1 sends local mail to >>username1 at the same time that username1 gets a *real* email on the >>email server. Does NFS locking work in this case? >> >>I obviously don't want to break email -- but if all the computers shared >>a common /var/spool/mail, it would add some convienience. >> >>Anyone doing this? Is this a common thing in *nix systems? Is this an >>insane idea? >> >>Thanks a bunch, >>-Shawn >> >> >Shawn, > theoretically it sounds like a good idea, practically it is not. first, >nfs locking is advisory, that is several processes writing to the same >file are apt to destroy it, and mail resides in *one* file. if you want a >central repository, select a machine that will carry all the mail (not >necessary the same as mail server), run imapd on it and use a webmail >setup. this allows you access to mail from just about anywhere and all >the mail sits on one machine (this machine needs to have all the user >accounts). this setup is pretty straightforward and it works well. julius > > Here's how the theory can work for email. Share out /home and run something like courier-imap, which uses the maildir format instead of the single-file mbox format. I like the maildir format because each email is stored in a separate file on the hard disk, so I'm far less likely to lose all of my email if something happens to the filesystem. Make sure you're running 100Mb or better with this NFS share; 100Mb is cheap these days. That said, it sounds like Julius's idea is certainly a good one. I wish I had time to try it out myself. --TP From haysja at sages.us Sun Jun 27 15:18:34 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:18:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20040627033530.NBUP27242.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040627033530.NBUP27242.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <40DEE54A.70000@sages.us> Thanks for finding that. In reading it, it looks like my statement on 1) is incorrect. (I was told that this was needed by my Microsoft contact a few years ago, but I am running Windows TS 2000 - not 2003.) The following statement from the article : "In addition to a server license, a Windows Server 2003 CAL (Windows CAL) is required. If you want to conduct a Windows session, an incremental Terminal Server Client Access License (TS CAL) is required also. A Windows session is defined as a session where the server software hosts a graphical user interface (GUI) on a device. For Windows sessions, a TS CAL is required for each user or device." You will need a CAL and a TS CAL for every device (terminal client). You cannot, as some suggest, buy one CAL and one TS CAL (for the K12LTSP server) and hit it from all of the terminals. Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > > >>You will need: >> >>1) A MS OS license for each terminal (even though you won't >>use MS OS on the clients.) >>2) A MS CAL for each terminal (~$7 each) >>3) A MS Terminal CAL for each terminal (~$40 each) >> >> > >According to this KB article - http://support.microsoft.com/?id=823313 - it >does not look like this is correct. > >-Yancey > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > > > From lsrpm at mts.net Sun Jun 27 15:30:58 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:30:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... In-Reply-To: <40DE869F.2000505@esd165.org> References: <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> <40DE869F.2000505@esd165.org> Message-ID: <opr99epwgnc44lx2@localhost> snip > > Carl Keil wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I got back from freegeek with my $20 thin client guinea pig. It's a >> gateway >> e-1000. I looked online and the NIC is 10/100, and supports PXE >> booting. >> 128megs of ram. P233. >> >> So, now I'm trying to get my k12ltsp 4.0.1 install working properly. At >> first it wasn't getting an IP addy. But now it is but the next line on >> the >> bootup screen stalls at >> It says: >> >> PXE-EA1: No PXE Server found, using standard boot file. >> >> tftp . . . . (and those dots take forever to appear). >> >> Then it says. >> TFTP open timeout. >> TFTP open timeout . >> Exiting PCNet-FAST PXE >> >> I've gone over dhcpd.conf and lts.conf till I'm blue in the face. I'm >> pointing to a real kernel, etc. But it's not even doing the tftp dance >> at >> all. >> I got the exact same thing while using an IBM 300PL. I did my homework and discovered this was the version Computers for Schools had that worked with Linux TSP. I got 30 of them and decided to test them. First 4 worked like a charm next 4 got the exact same messages you got. Exactly. But the machines were or appeared to be identical.????? To make a long agravating story short I ended up comparing the BIOS revisions. Uniformly the ones that did not work had a BIOS revision date of 1998 or older, while the ones that worked had revision dates of 07/17/2000 check the bios date and look for a BIOS flash update. When I downloaded the latest for the 300PL's that did the trick and got rid of the error good luck -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.7 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 From techlists at tasis.ch Sun Jun 27 16:04:29 2004 From: techlists at tasis.ch (Bill Tihen) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:04:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <1088352269.7763.27.camel@lotus.tasis.ch> If you are imaging then Terminal Services is a real pain. At least I haven't figured out how to use TS and transfer the liscence. I have to keep resetting the liscence when I hit the limit after reimaging machines. YUK. I don't know what MS was thinking. On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 03:30, David Trask wrote: > Ok....I know nothing of Windows Terminal server 2003, but I do know that I > want to get completely away from imaging hard drives and all. I also want > to make my entire network available to use thin clients and K12LTSP. At > least for a couple more years I'm not sure I can switch completely away > from Windows. I do know that rdesktop can be used to access a Windows > terminal server. Here's my question: > > I've been reading a lot about TSL's or Terminal server licenses for > Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Does this mean that I have to have some > special license server to use it with rdesktop or something like that? > Those of you who run Windows Terminal server in an environment like > this...can you give me some advice? I'm exploring possibilities right now. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> -- Bill Tihen <techlists at tasis.ch> TASIS From ltsp at regionalservers.com Sun Jun 27 16:24:13 2004 From: ltsp at regionalservers.com (James Vasey) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:24:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us><40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org><Pine.SUN.4.58.0406270517160.16756@eskimo.com> <Pine.SUN.4.58.0406270525010.16756@eskimo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c45c63$306ffda0$0200a8c0@hpjames> >From my understanding (as an AER, sorry but schools by microsoft, so I have to sell it). If you buy Windows 2003 Terminal server, then your clients only need a CAL, providing that they access the server via an already booted system. If they boot direct to the server they need a CAL and OS license. i.e. LTSP -> Rdesktop (or similar) -> Terminal Server (Just a CAL) Straight to Rdesktop, (or using NT embedded) need an OS license (or NT embedded) plus a CAL. Thats the case in UK interpretation of the licese. James Vasey Regional Servers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Bartlett" <johnnyb at eskimo.com> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP > Here's the FAQ page - it looks like at most you need CALs and TCALs + > application licenses. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/pricing/tsfaq.asp > > Jon > > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Jonathan Bartlett wrote: > >> On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: >> >> > Jim Hays wrote: >> > >> > > 1) A MS OS license for each terminal (even though you won't use MS >> > > OS >> > > on the clients.) >> > >> > Can anyone verify this? If this is the case, I'm currently in >> > violation >> > with my rollout for next year... I actually thought this was the way >> > that LTSP was the cheapest way to implement Microsoft... >> >> The licensing FAQ for Terminal Services on Windows is self-contradictory >> in several places - which basically gives them the ability to interpret >> it >> in any way to screw you. I'll try to dig up the link. >> >> Jon >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > From ltsp at regionalservers.com Sun Jun 27 16:25:03 2004 From: ltsp at regionalservers.com (James Vasey) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:25:03 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us><40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org><Pine.SUN.4.58.0406270517160.16756@eskimo.com> <Pine.SUN.4.58.0406270525010.16756@eskimo.com> Message-ID: <001601c45c63$4d7a12a0$0200a8c0@hpjames> When I say CAL i mean CAL + TSCAL Sorry for confusion James Vasey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Bartlett" <johnnyb at eskimo.com> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP > Here's the FAQ page - it looks like at most you need CALs and TCALs + > application licenses. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/pricing/tsfaq.asp > > Jon > > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Jonathan Bartlett wrote: > >> On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: >> >> > Jim Hays wrote: >> > >> > > 1) A MS OS license for each terminal (even though you won't use MS >> > > OS >> > > on the clients.) >> > >> > Can anyone verify this? If this is the case, I'm currently in >> > violation >> > with my rollout for next year... I actually thought this was the way >> > that LTSP was the cheapest way to implement Microsoft... >> >> The licensing FAQ for Terminal Services on Windows is self-contradictory >> in several places - which basically gives them the ability to interpret >> it >> in any way to screw you. I'll try to dig up the link. >> >> Jon >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Jun 27 16:58:50 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:58:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DED33B.90605@cmosnetworks.com> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> <40DE4180.9010906@elp.rr.com> <40DE441E.4060004@inlandlakes.org> <40DED33B.90605@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40DEFCCA.8030106@inlandlakes.org> > Do your apps run on WINE or CrossOver Office? If so, you'd avoid all of > the above CAL/TCAL/WinServer licensing crap. Maybe -- but that's step 2. :) See, getting linux in the door is the hardest part. By honestly saying there will be the ability to have windows at every terminal in ADDITION to everything linux has to offer, it allowed me to get linux on every desktop next year. Once folks use linux on a daily basis, and see that really, windows isn't needed, it can be phased out over time. You quoted Paul Nelson -- and indeed he did the same thing. Terminal Services allowed him to say, "we DO have windows" -- and let natural selection eliminate the weaker species. :) If wine or crossover office can help in the future, once linux is "popular" in our district, we may have staff willingness to try eliminating the big black M. My other thread (or is it this thread? Dang I post a lot...) mentions using rdesktop -s to get an app in just a windows on the linux screen. That would be a great transisional step to wine and/or crossover office. Anyway, </soapbox> ;) Have a great weekend, -Shawn And yes, it is > complicated; I used to be a MS reseller a few years ago, and I had to be > very careful when making a quote for someone, especially if it involved > Windows Terminal Server. > > Isn't this why folks, e. g. the Paul Nelsons of the world, are moving to > Free Software in the first place? To get their freedom back from the > likes of this crap? Someone, please tell me if I'm wrong. > > --TP > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org --<Disclaimer, now required for frustrating reasons>-- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Jun 27 19:36:30 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:36:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 120 In-Reply-To: <20040627160020.B450C73B0B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001201c45c7e$0c4241c0$0501000a@winworkstation> Message: 4 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:30:58 -0500 From: Liam Marshall <lsrpm at mts.net> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <opr99epwgnc44lx2 at localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 snip > > Carl Keil wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I got back from freegeek with my $20 thin client guinea pig. It's a >> gateway >> e-1000. I looked online and the NIC is 10/100, and supports PXE >> booting. >> 128megs of ram. P233. >> >> So, now I'm trying to get my k12ltsp 4.0.1 install working properly. At >> first it wasn't getting an IP addy. But now it is but the next line on >> the >> bootup screen stalls at >> It says: >> >> PXE-EA1: No PXE Server found, using standard boot file. >> >> tftp . . . . (and those dots take forever to appear). >> >> Then it says. >> TFTP open timeout. >> TFTP open timeout . >> Exiting PCNet-FAST PXE >> >> I've gone over dhcpd.conf and lts.conf till I'm blue in the face. I'm >> pointing to a real kernel, etc. But it's not even doing the tftp dance >> at >> all. >> I got the exact same thing while using an IBM 300PL. I did my homework and discovered this was the version Computers for Schools had that worked with Linux TSP. I got 30 of them and decided to test them. First 4 worked like a charm next 4 got the exact same messages you got. Exactly. But the machines were or appeared to be identical.????? To make a long agravating story short I ended up comparing the BIOS revisions. Uniformly the ones that did not work had a BIOS revision date of 1998 or older, while the ones that worked had revision dates of 07/17/2000 check the bios date and look for a BIOS flash update. When I downloaded the latest for the 300PL's that did the trick and got rid of the error good luck ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey, Thanks for steering me in this direction. Makes me feel a little stupid for retyping the same things 40 times in my conf files. Anyway, I have a question. Can I avoid the whole BIOS flashing business if I'm willing to pay $10 for a new NIC? Or does the problem lie in the mobo. ck From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sun Jun 27 21:03:08 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:03:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DED33B.90605@cmosnetworks.com> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> <40DE4180.9010906@elp.rr.com> <40DE441E.4060004@inlandlakes.org> <40DED33B.90605@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40DF360C.80605@elp.rr.com> I'm on the teaching end and this is what our district network and purchasing people put out to us. Bye Pat Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > >> John P. Conlon wrote: >> >>> Yes because the possibility of access and use is there. >> >> >> >> I just don't read that anywhere -- someone please point me in the >> right direction. I understand that I need a TCAL for using the >> session, and a CAL for actually accessing the server -- but I think >> the Terminal OS license is only required if you use a Microsoft OS >> Terminal (ie a WinCE thin client or something) >> >> I dont' doubt that Microsoft would want to charge for an OS license >> on the client -- but I dont' think in this particular case they can... >> >> Also, looking at the Riverdale Case Study -- there were no licenses >> purchased for Microsoft OS on the thin clients. >> >> Please, more feedback -- especially from folks that have done this... >> >> thanks, >> -Shawn >> > > Do your apps run on WINE or CrossOver Office? If so, you'd avoid all > of the above CAL/TCAL/WinServer licensing crap. And yes, it is > complicated; I used to be a MS reseller a few years ago, and I had to > be very careful when making a quote for someone, especially if it > involved Windows Terminal Server. > > Isn't this why folks, e. g. the Paul Nelsons of the world, are moving > to Free Software in the first place? To get their freedom back from > the likes of this crap? Someone, please tell me if I'm wrong. > > --TP > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sun Jun 27 21:05:57 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:05:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... In-Reply-To: <opr99epwgnc44lx2@localhost> References: <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> <40DE869F.2000505@esd165.org> <opr99epwgnc44lx2@localhost> Message-ID: <40DF36B5.3010708@elp.rr.com> Looks to me like the terminal NIC isn't doing what it should. Try making an etherboot floppy and see if you can get in that way. That should give you an indication as to whether you have a NIC BIOS problem or not. Bye Pat Liam Marshall wrote: > snip > >> >> Carl Keil wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I got back from freegeek with my $20 thin client guinea pig. It's a >>> gateway >>> e-1000. I looked online and the NIC is 10/100, and supports PXE >>> booting. >>> 128megs of ram. P233. >>> >>> So, now I'm trying to get my k12ltsp 4.0.1 install working >>> properly. At >>> first it wasn't getting an IP addy. But now it is but the next line >>> on the >>> bootup screen stalls at >>> It says: >>> >>> PXE-EA1: No PXE Server found, using standard boot file. >>> >>> tftp . . . . (and those dots take forever to appear). >>> >>> Then it says. >>> TFTP open timeout. >>> TFTP open timeout . >>> Exiting PCNet-FAST PXE >>> >>> I've gone over dhcpd.conf and lts.conf till I'm blue in the face. I'm >>> pointing to a real kernel, etc. But it's not even doing the tftp >>> dance at >>> all. >>> > > I got the exact same thing while using an IBM 300PL. I did my > homework and discovered this was the version Computers for Schools had > that worked with Linux TSP. > > I got 30 of them and decided to test them. First 4 worked like a > charm next 4 got the exact same messages you got. Exactly. > > But the machines were or appeared to be identical.????? > > To make a long agravating story short I ended up comparing the BIOS > revisions. Uniformly the ones that did not work had a BIOS revision > date of 1998 or older, while the ones that worked had revision dates > of 07/17/2000 > > check the bios date and look for a BIOS flash update. When I > downloaded the latest for the 300PL's that did the trick and got rid > of the error > > good luck > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Jun 27 21:28:13 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:28:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DF360C.80605@elp.rr.com> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> < > <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> < > <40DE4180.9010906@elp.rr.com> <40DE441E.4060004@inlandlakes.org> < > <40DED33B.90605@cmosnetworks.com> <40DF360C.80605@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <fc.004c57de00137053004c57de00136dd3.137054@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> writes: >> Do your apps run on WINE or CrossOver Office? If so, you'd avoid all >> of the above CAL/TCAL/WinServer licensing crap. And yes, it is >> complicated; I used to be a MS reseller a few years ago, and I had to >> be very careful when making a quote for someone, especially if it >> involved Windows Terminal Server. How well does Crossover work on K12LTSP...anyone using it and can comment? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From lsrpm at mts.net Sun Jun 27 21:36:05 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:36:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 120 In-Reply-To: <001201c45c7e$0c4241c0$0501000a@winworkstation> References: <001201c45c7e$0c4241c0$0501000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <opr99vmfgnc44lx2@localhost> snip > Hey, > > Thanks for steering me in this direction. Makes me feel a little stupid > for > retyping the same things 40 times in my conf files. Anyway, I have a > question. Can I avoid the whole BIOS flashing business if I'm willing to > pay $10 for a new NIC? Or does the problem lie in the mobo. > > ck > > > I don't know, I suppose as long as the new nic has either etherboot rom or PXE it should. My problem, which appears to be identical to the one you had, was related to an onboard nic which the upgrade to the bios solved -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.7 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Jun 27 21:52:53 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:52:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 120 In-Reply-To: <opr99vmfgnc44lx2@localhost> Message-ID: <001401c45c91$19f00470$0501000a@winworkstation> Thanks a lot. I'm just being lazy. The HP firmware updater requires a brand new IBM formatted disk that hasn't been formatted by a computer, and I don't have one. I tried another nic I had lying around, but that didn't work either, the system wouldn't see it. I'm going to try a boot floppy that I'm building right now. And then do the firmware thing when I can get my hands on a virginal disk. This list rocks. Thanks. ck >-----Original Message----- >From: Liam Marshall [mailto:lsrpm at mts.net] >Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 2:36 PM >To: carl at snarlnet.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 120 > > >snip >> Hey, >> >> Thanks for steering me in this direction. Makes me feel a >little stupid >> for >> retyping the same things 40 times in my conf files. Anyway, I have a >> question. Can I avoid the whole BIOS flashing business if >I'm willing to >> pay $10 for a new NIC? Or does the problem lie in the mobo. >> >> ck >> >> >> >I don't know, I suppose as long as the new nic has either >etherboot rom or >PXE it should. My problem, which appears to be identical to >the one you >had, was related to an onboard nic which the upgrade to the bios solved > > >-- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.7 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jun 27 23:37:50 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:37:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <fc.004c57de00137053004c57de00136dd3.137054@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> < > <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> < > <40DE4180.9010906@elp.rr.com> <40DE441E.4060004@inlandlakes.org> < > <40DED33B.90605@cmosnetworks.com> <40DF360C.80605@elp.rr.com> <fc.004c57de00137053004c57de00136dd3.137054@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <40DF5A4E.4030302@cmosnetworks.com> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> >writes: > > >>>Do your apps run on WINE or CrossOver Office? If so, you'd avoid all >>>of the above CAL/TCAL/WinServer licensing crap. And yes, it is >>>complicated; I used to be a MS reseller a few years ago, and I had to >>>be very careful when making a quote for someone, especially if it >>>involved Windows Terminal Server. >>> >>> > >How well does Crossover work on K12LTSP...anyone using it and can comment? > > As a matter of fact, yes. I don't have many Windows apps at home anymore (don't need 'em :-) ), but I've got three apps running on my K12LTSP 3.1.2 box w/ Crossover 3.0.1 beta (I'm a Xover "advocate" for an app, so I get the betas). The three apps are Internet Exploder 6.0, 32-bit Word 6.0, and 32-bit Excel 5.0 (these last two are the NT versions from way back). I connect from terminals and run my apps quite nicely, though for the older Word and Excel versions I did have to manually make a desktop icon and push it to all desktops (not that hard). Note that help menus for the older Windows apps that use .HLP files might not work, but the apps themselves work like a champ. For "officially supported" apps like IE or MS Office 2000/XP, Xover automagically makes icons in the GNOME and KDE "start" menus for you. I'm trying to get an app called Time Matters from a friend of mine to try it out as well. --TP From missive at hotmail.com Sun Jun 27 23:48:42 2004 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:48:42 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... Message-ID: <BAY2-F38YfuEvWTMVg10003765a@hotmail.com> >at one of the schools I support..there is a decision being made to >incorporate 'FLASH' into the computer curriculm... > >The worst part is the people involved in making the ultimate decision >and providing the teaching currently have zero experience with Flash or >any sort of Web page design. > >How would you go about nipping this in the bud given the decision isn't >yours? > Not sure this is relevant, but an interesting article ... http://tim.oreilly.com/opensource/paradigmshift_0504.html I especially like this part ... ''' "How many of you use Linux?" I ask. Depending on the venue, 20-80% of the audience might raise its hands. "How many of you use Google?" Every hand in the room goes up. And the light begins to dawn. Every one of them uses Google's massive complex of 100,000 Linux servers ''' _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From haysja at sages.us Mon Jun 28 00:14:20 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:14:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <fc.004c57de00137053004c57de00136dd3.137054@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> References: <fc.004c57de00136dd3004c57de00136dd3.136dd7@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> < > <40DE389B.7020201@sages.us> <40DE39F3.4060006@inlandlakes.org> < > <40DE4180.9010906@elp.rr.com> <40DE441E.4060004@inlandlakes.org> < > <40DED33B.90605@cmosnetworks.com> <40DF360C.80605@elp.rr.com> <fc.004c57de00137053004c57de00136dd3.137054@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <40DF62DC.2040903@sages.us> I tested it last summer and it ran well for me. I was running Office 2000 on it and it ran well. I have not used it in a production environment. David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> >writes: > > >>>Do your apps run on WINE or CrossOver Office? If so, you'd avoid all >>>of the above CAL/TCAL/WinServer licensing crap. And yes, it is >>>complicated; I used to be a MS reseller a few years ago, and I had to >>>be very careful when making a quote for someone, especially if it >>>involved Windows Terminal Server. >>> >>> > >How well does Crossover work on K12LTSP...anyone using it and can comment? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Jun 28 01:26:41 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:26:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dana-Alphasmart and Gnome-Pilot Message-ID: <40DF73D1.30908@elp.rr.com> My son has an Alphasmart-Dana that is a piece of adaptive technology for his school work. Is there a way to make the Dana sync with the Gnome-Pilot so he isn't dependent on Windows at school? Thanks Pat From haysja at sages.us Mon Jun 28 01:50:18 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:50:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dana-Alphasmart and Gnome-Pilot In-Reply-To: <40DF73D1.30908@elp.rr.com> References: <40DF73D1.30908@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <40DF795A.7030608@sages.us> The Dana runs Palm OS 4.1. You should be able to run Palm software on it. John P. Conlon wrote: > My son has an Alphasmart-Dana that is a piece of adaptive technology > for his school work. Is there a way to make the Dana sync with the > Gnome-Pilot so he isn't dependent on Windows at school? > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Jun 28 02:11:35 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:11:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: newbie, too many variables In-Reply-To: <opr99vmfgnc44lx2@localhost> Message-ID: <001d01c45cb5$3d7106f0$0501000a@winworkstation> Hi Folks, I tried a rom-o-matic or two, and it didn't even recognize the disk, I tried two different bios updates. It's still not working. I don't think I'll find a NIC only updater, since the things soldered to the mobo. Could the fact that my nic isn't on this list... http://www.etherboot.org/db/nics.php?show=overview&chip_manufacturer=AMD And the ones similar to it all show no one able to netboot off the things be a bad sign for me? Are there nics/firmwares/configs out there that just can't do the LTSP thing? Or is there always a way? This little computer I got would be a perfect thin client, if it could boot, of course. Any advice? thanks, ck >-----Original Message----- >From: Liam Marshall [mailto:lsrpm at mts.net] >Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 2:36 PM >To: carl at snarlnet.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 120 > > >snip >> Hey, >> >> Thanks for steering me in this direction. Makes me feel a >little stupid >> for >> retyping the same things 40 times in my conf files. Anyway, I have a >> question. Can I avoid the whole BIOS flashing business if >I'm willing to >> pay $10 for a new NIC? Or does the problem lie in the mobo. >> >> ck >> >> >> >I don't know, I suppose as long as the new nic has either >etherboot rom or >PXE it should. My problem, which appears to be identical to >the one you >had, was related to an onboard nic which the upgrade to the bios solved > > >-- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.7 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 > > From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 28 03:39:20 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:39:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... In-Reply-To: <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> References: <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <1088393960.8046.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 00:34, Carl Keil wrote: > So, now I'm trying to get my k12ltsp 4.0.1 install working properly. At > first it wasn't getting an IP addy. But now it is but the next line on the > bootup screen stalls at > It says: > > PXE-EA1: No PXE Server found, using standard boot file. You'd have a pretty good chance of booting about anything with the 'universal boot floppy' from the thinstation project that you can find here: http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/download.html That should work until you can do a flash upgrade to fix the pxe code. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jun 28 04:42:20 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:42:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More Windoze terminal server questions Message-ID: <fc.004c57de0013712c004c57de0013712c.137131@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Ok, Let's take my exploration a little further. Assuming I put together a Windows Terminal Server on my network...can I have it authenticate to my Samba/LDAP server in an effort to avoid having my users having to have two accounts....????? If you are using a Windoze Terminal server in conjunction with K12LTSP....how are you doing it? Scenarios...appreciated.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Jun 28 05:30:39 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:30:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... In-Reply-To: <1088393960.8046.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <002101c45cd1$0ccbce60$0501000a@winworkstation> Right on! That was a breakthrough, now I'm hung at Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from 192.168.0.254 Any ideas how to get past this stage? My home directory isn't empty, so I improvised a /temphome directory for /etc/exports/ and nfs.conf Thanks everyone, for all the help. ck >-----Original Message----- >From: Les Mikesell [mailto:les at futuresource.com] >Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:39 PM >To: carl at snarlnet.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... > > >On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 00:34, Carl Keil wrote: > >> So, now I'm trying to get my k12ltsp 4.0.1 install working >properly. At >> first it wasn't getting an IP addy. But now it is but the >next line on the >> bootup screen stalls at >> It says: >> >> PXE-EA1: No PXE Server found, using standard boot file. > >You'd have a pretty good chance of booting about anything >with the 'universal boot floppy' from the thinstation >project that you can find here: >http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/download.html >That should work until you can do a flash upgrade to >fix the pxe code. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 28 06:06:51 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:06:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... In-Reply-To: <002101c45cd1$0ccbce60$0501000a@winworkstation> References: <002101c45cd1$0ccbce60$0501000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <1088402811.8970.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 00:30, Carl Keil wrote: > That was a breakthrough, now I'm hung at Mounting root filesystem: > /opt/ltsp/i386 from 192.168.0.254 > > Any ideas how to get past this stage? My home directory isn't empty, so I > improvised a /temphome directory for /etc/exports/ and nfs.conf Do a 'showmount -e' on the server to make sure it really is exporting the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory. If you have another linux box on the network, try 'showmount -e your_server' from there or try to mount it somewhere as a test. I keep a dual-boot laptop around to test things like that. You might need to do an 'exportfs -a' or stop and start the nfs service if you have changed /etc/exports. You don't need do anything special with home directories until you do something more exotic like putting them on a different server than the k12ltsp server(s). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 28 11:17:38 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:17:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More Windoze terminal server questions In-Reply-To: <fc.004c57de0013712c004c57de0013712c.137131@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> References: <fc.004c57de0013712c004c57de0013712c.137131@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <40DFFE52.7000205@inlandlakes.org> David Trask wrote: > in an effort to avoid having my users having to have two > accounts....????? pgina.xpasystems.com Nathan, the developer, worked with me last year -- to make sure terminal session authentication worked. It's great, you eliminate the whole "active directory" thing altogether. It has an LDAP authentication module too. The program creates users on the fly, using the "default user" template for policies, and if you ask it to, it will delete the user as they log out. I was going to try using that method to get around MS licensing, but it just wasn't worth the trouble (or legal issues if they arrived) See, an account is created and deleted at login/logout (if you set pgina to do that) so my logic was, you only need 1 license per user, and since the users are deleted... BUT, the licensing says that you can only transfer user accounts if the user is PERMENENTLY deleted, and it's the question of whether a user is permenently deleted if you plan to recreate an account the next time they log in. So I just purchased all the device licenses I needed. :) But check out pgina -- it's amazingly simple, and amazingly useful. (You can authenticat from LDAP, NIS, PAM, even a slashdot account) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org --<Disclaimer, now required for frustrating reasons>-- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 28 11:52:14 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:52:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More Windoze terminal server questions In-Reply-To: <fc.004c57de0013712c004c57de0013712c.137131@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> References: <fc.004c57de0013712c004c57de0013712c.137131@vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <1088423534.10127.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 23:42, David Trask wrote: > Let's take my exploration a little further. Assuming I put together a > Windows Terminal Server on my network...can I have it authenticate to my > Samba/LDAP server in an effort to avoid having my users having to have two > accounts....????? If you are using a Windoze Terminal server in > conjunction with K12LTSP....how are you doing it? > Scenarios...appreciated.... If samba is configured as the domain controller and the WTS server is in that domain it should just work. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Jun 28 11:50:35 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:50:35 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... In-Reply-To: <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> References: <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <1088423313.1001.8.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Carl, Could you provide some more info on the machines? I managed to get old Compaq P133's with on board AMD nics booting with only minor alterations to the Rom-O-Matic images. The old machines didn't handle early CPI all that well, so you have to force PCI in to rom image. Not sure if this is the same issue, but it seems to ring a bell. Cheers, Bert On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 17:34, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I got back from freegeek with my $20 thin client guinea pig. It's a gateway > e-1000. I looked online and the NIC is 10/100, and supports PXE booting. > 128megs of ram. P233. > > So, now I'm trying to get my k12ltsp 4.0.1 install working properly. At > first it wasn't getting an IP addy. But now it is but the next line on the > bootup screen stalls at > It says: > > PXE-EA1: No PXE Server found, using standard boot file. > > tftp . . . . (and those dots take forever to appear). > > Then it says. > TFTP open timeout. > TFTP open timeout . > Exiting PCNet-FAST PXE > > I've gone over dhcpd.conf and lts.conf till I'm blue in the face. I'm > pointing to a real kernel, etc. But it's not even doing the tftp dance at > all. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > ck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 28 13:29:10 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:29:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Postfix Mail Server tutorial In-Reply-To: <1088270386.26869.13.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <000701c45d13$e58ea870$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > I walked through the steps without a hitch. > > But I have performed a few tests by attaching my_document.pif > and your_picture.pif to a couple of emails and they go through. > > > Any thoughts or comments? Do you have .pif listed for attachment types to remove? If not I would assume that the virus scanner would see a harmless file even though the name matched that of a known virus (assuming you don't actually have a copy of the virus and just created a .pif file). That is about all I can guess. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 28 14:07:10 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:07:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner and Mailman Message-ID: <000a01c45d19$34248270$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I am having a problem using Mailman for mailing list along with MailScanner (I think). I keep getting notifications that I have -1 messages waiting for approval from Mailman, when I go to approve them nothing is there. I think what is happening is a virus is being sent to the lists, the message is generated and then MailScanner detects the virus, removes the email but never talks back to Mailman about what happened. Then I get these stupid notices saying I have to approve -1 messages. Anyone ran into this and know how to handle it? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 28 15:42:27 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:42:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner and Mailman In-Reply-To: <000a01c45d19$34248270$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000c01c45d26$83b19410$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > I am having a problem using Mailman for mailing list along > with MailScanner (I think). I keep getting notifications > that I have -1 messages waiting for approval from Mailman, > when I go to approve them nothing is there. I think what is > happening is a virus is being sent to the lists, the message > is generated and then MailScanner detects the virus, removes > the email but never talks back to Mailman about what > happened. Then I get these stupid notices saying I have to > approve -1 messages. I have found a mailman-clamav module that plugs into mailman and should stop the viruses at mailman before getting to mailscanner (I hope). I have set this up but don't have any way to test it. Can someone send me a virus? I don't have an email account anywhere that will allow me to send or receive a virus :-) If anyone is allowed to send even the eicar test virus to a list of chs-staff at winonacotter.org please do and just let me know. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Mon Jun 28 16:29:06 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:29:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server In-Reply-To: <003d01c45891$405f5bf0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <HPEMKGOMGLNEGDEBKHAFKECOCLAA.rodell@bakersfield.k12.mo.us> Hello again, I'm still having e-mail server problems. I am behind a Border Manager firewall, using NAT to translate ip's. The error is "Connection refused bakersfield.k12.mo.us[209.106.218.156]", which is my registered e-mail ip. I'm sure its simple, but not for me.......all help is appreciated.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.7 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Jun 28 16:27:17 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:27:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... In-Reply-To: <1088423313.1001.8.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040628092033.01b579c8@pop.easystreet.com> It's a fairly stock Gateway E-1000. The onboard NIC is a AMD 79c971. P233MMX. Floppy, CDROM, 2 gig hd. 128 megs memory. Not sure about the video, 2 megs vram. The universal boot floppy really got me talkin' to the server. I tried Les' showmount -e and got an error. mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered. When I googled it, it indicated that there was something wrong with my /etc/hosts file. So, I'm thrashing around in there. There was also a message on my thin client indicating that this could be one of 4 possible problems. I've rewritten so many files, the problem could be almost anywhere. I'm worried that I've got some little typo somewhere that's screwing everything up. Is there some way to get back to the defaults on all the relevant files? /etc/exports /etc/hosts dhcpd.conf lts.conf etc. I think I know what I'm doing a little better now, wouldn't make the same mistakes if I could start over. ck At 04:50 AM 6/28/2004, Bert Rolston wrote: >Hi Carl, > >Could you provide some more info on the machines? > >I managed to get old Compaq P133's with on board AMD nics booting with >only minor alterations to the Rom-O-Matic images. > >The old machines didn't handle early CPI all that well, so you have to >force PCI in to rom image. > >Not sure if this is the same issue, but it seems to ring a bell. > >Cheers, >Bert > >On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 17:34, Carl Keil wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I got back from freegeek with my $20 thin client guinea pig. It's a > gateway > > e-1000. I looked online and the NIC is 10/100, and supports PXE booting. > > 128megs of ram. P233. > > > > So, now I'm trying to get my k12ltsp 4.0.1 install working properly. At > > first it wasn't getting an IP addy. But now it is but the next line on the > > bootup screen stalls at > > It says: > > > > PXE-EA1: No PXE Server found, using standard boot file. > > > > tftp . . . . (and those dots take forever to appear). > > > > Then it says. > > TFTP open timeout. > > TFTP open timeout . > > Exiting PCNet-FAST PXE > > > > I've gone over dhcpd.conf and lts.conf till I'm blue in the face. I'm > > pointing to a real kernel, etc. But it's not even doing the tftp dance at > > all. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > ck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >-- >================================== >Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. >Mobile - 027 264 0851 >================================== >Specialising in system support >alternative solutions and >Linux operating system >================================== From sfichera at salem.k12.nh.us Mon Jun 28 16:33:11 2004 From: sfichera at salem.k12.nh.us (Sean Fichera) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:33:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Routing Message-ID: <200406281625.i5SGPVe1014626@mx1.redhat.com> Routing is a problem We have Linux Server acting as a router to 4 locations eth0 172.20.20.25 eth1 172.21.21.25 eth2 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx eth3 broadband connection we have a squid proxy that will be on the 172.20.20.25 line with an ip of 172.20.20.26 A client on the 172.21.21.25 line can't get to the proxy at 172.20.20.26 We need help we like using webmin so if you can tell us how to get it running that way that would be great if not then how do we get the router up and running. PLEASE HELP THANKS! Sean Fichera SSD Department of Media & Technology 287 Lawrence Road 603-893-7078 www.salemschooldistrictnh.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 28 17:25:42 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:25:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help a newbie, too many variables... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040628092033.01b579c8@pop.easystreet.com> References: <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> <000201c45c08$6872bc20$0501000a@winworkstation> <5.1.0.14.2.20040628092033.01b579c8@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1088443542.11126.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 11:27, Carl Keil wrote: > I tried Les' showmount -e and got an error. mount clntudp_create: RPC: > Program not registered. When I googled it, it indicated that there was > something wrong with my /etc/hosts file. If you get the error when you run that command on the server you probably haven't started NFS. Try service nfs status or service nfs restart > I've rewritten so many files, the problem could be almost anywhere. I'm > worried that I've got some little typo somewhere that's screwing everything > up. Is there some way to get back to the defaults on all the relevant > files? /etc/exports /etc/hosts dhcpd.conf lts.conf etc. I think I know > what I'm doing a little better now, wouldn't make the same mistakes if I > could start over. Look through recent entries in /var/log/messages if the services aren't starting. Sometimes the error message explains the problem. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 28 20:23:10 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:23:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk Permissions not working Message-ID: <001301c45d4d$bb03f440$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I just went live with 2 new servers last week. Both configured identical. Each one has netatalk and samba configured on them identically. Both were working. Now one is not using correct permissions for netatalk. I have /home/Public setup as a public access folder and then created different folders inside of these with different permissions depending on which group needs to access them. When I connect through Samba all of the correct folders show up for the correct users. But when connecting over Appletalk nothing shows up in this folder, even if I say everyone can view it. The /home/user folder work perfect. Any ideas on what might have happened? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 28 20:38:26 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:38:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk Permissions not working In-Reply-To: <001301c45d4d$bb03f440$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001301c45d4d$bb03f440$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1088455105.29452.84.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 13:23, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I just went live with 2 new servers last week. Both configured > identical. Each one has netatalk and samba configured on them > identically. Both were working. Now one is not using correct > permissions for netatalk. I have /home/Public setup as a public access > folder and then created different folders inside of these with different > permissions depending on which group needs to access them. When I > connect through Samba all of the correct folders show up for the correct > users. But when connecting over Appletalk nothing shows up in this > folder, even if I say everyone can view it. The /home/user folder work > perfect. Any ideas on what might have happened? > Make sure that the .AppleDB & .AppleDouble directories have the correct ownership/permissions. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I never did come up with a solution other than manual intervention. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org --<Disclaimer, now required for frustrating reasons>-- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 28 20:54:49 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:54:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk Permissions not working In-Reply-To: <1088455105.29452.84.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <001a01c45d52$26af2350$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > Make sure that the .AppleDB & .AppleDouble directories have > the correct ownership/permissions. Thanks Shawn and Eric. It was a problem with those files, I am back working again. It will be nice to know to watch for problems with these files in the future. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 28 21:01:43 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:01:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk Permissions not working In-Reply-To: <40E08206.7090907@inlandlakes.org> References: <001301c45d4d$bb03f440$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1088455105.29452.84.camel@server.ltsp> <40E08206.7090907@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1088456503.29452.87.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 13:39, Shawn Powers wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > > Make sure that the .AppleDB & .AppleDouble directories have the correct > > ownership/permissions. > > And be prepared to delete the .AppleDB folder regularly. When it's > recreated, the ownership will be of the first person to log in, and will > have to be adjusted. > > I struggled with corrupt .AppleDB files all year. I never did come up > with a solution other than manual intervention. > > -Shawn I'm currently running netatalk 1.6.4 and have not had too much trouble with it. I am about to upgrade to netatalk 2.0beta2 & test it out... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20040628/740b02ab/attachment.sig> From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Mon Jun 28 21:10:32 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:10:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Windoze Terminal Server and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40DE483A.5030609@cfl.rr.com> References: <20040627033530.NBUP27242.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> <40DE483A.5030609@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <40E08948.3090902@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Brian Chase wrote: > Thats a good article, I recommend going with the TS "device" CAL for > use with K12LTSP, so the device can just be the LTSP server and all > users can get to it. You don't get off that easy -- here's a repost of my response to this discussion a few months ago: Shawn Powers wrote: > This really isn't me being sneaky, I'm seriously curious about CALs > for this type of installation. I guess I never realized you needed a > CAL for every account on the server. I thought you could use the "per > seat" type licensing. Under Windows 2003, "Per Seat" licensing went away, replaced by Per User or Per Device. "Per Server" licensing still exists, but only for Windows CALs, not for Terminal Service CALs (TS CALs). TS CALs must be either Per User or Per Device. Accessing Terminal Services requires both a Windows CAL and a TS CAL. The way I read this, if you had a single server expecting no more than 50 concurrent connections, you could get away with only purchasing 50 Windows CALs. However, you would still need Per User or Per Device CALs for *every* username or *every* device that might make a TS connection. In a school with many more users than devices, I'd expect you'd choose Per Device. If you have 200 potential terminals, you'd need 200 Per Device TS CALs to go with your 50 Windows CALs. See: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ts2003.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/default.mspx > This thread hits home to me, as I'm about to propose rdesktop as a > solution to our "blind need for windows" Hope this helps! -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 28 22:39:48 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:39:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk Permissions not working In-Reply-To: <1088456503.29452.87.camel@server.ltsp> References: <001301c45d4d$bb03f440$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1088455105.29452.84.camel@server.ltsp> <40E08206.7090907@inlandlakes.org> <1088456503.29452.87.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040628223748.M42410@winonacotter.org> > > And be prepared to delete the .AppleDB folder regularly. When it's > > recreated, the ownership will be of the first person to log in, and will > > have to be adjusted. > > > > I struggled with corrupt .AppleDB files all year. I never did come up > > with a solution other than manual intervention. Could you just write a script that located all .AppleDB files and chmod 777 on them so that even if they were owned by someone else the new user would always be able to modify them and schedule it to run periodically. All other files should be safe if the folder permissions are unaltered....right? From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jun 28 22:52:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:52:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Routing In-Reply-To: <200406281625.i5SGPVe1014626@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200406281625.i5SGPVe1014626@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40E0A111.50105@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Sean, Do you have /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward set to 1? --TP Sean Fichera wrote: >Routing is a problem > >We have >Linux Server acting as a router to 4 locations > >eth0 172.20.20.25 >eth1 172.21.21.25 >eth2 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx >eth3 broadband connection > >we have a squid proxy that will be on the 172.20.20.25 line with an ip of 172.20.20.26 > >A client on the 172.21.21.25 line can't get to the proxy at 172.20.20.26 > >We need help we like using webmin so if you can tell us how to get it running that way that would be great if not then how do we get the router up and running. > >PLEASE HELP THANKS! > >Sean Fichera > > > From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Jun 29 00:41:32 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:11:32 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP use in schools in India's god's own country state - Kerela Message-ID: <1088469691.2973.5.camel@roop.ltsp> Interesting link posted by a friend on my LUG: http://s2s2net.netfirms.com/project.html Jim / Eric should be proud. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Jun 29 00:49:16 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:19:16 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Routing In-Reply-To: <200406281625.i5SGPVe1014626@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200406281625.i5SGPVe1014626@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1088470156.2973.9.camel@roop.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 22:03, Sean Fichera wrote: > Routing is a problem > > We have > Linux Server acting as a router to 4 locations > > eth0 172.20.20.25 > eth1 172.21.21.25 > eth2 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > eth3 broadband connection > > we have a squid proxy that will be on the 172.20.20.25 line with an ip of 172.20.20.26 > > A client on the 172.21.21.25 line can't get to the proxy at 172.20.20.26 > > We need help we like using webmin so if you can tell us how to get it running that way that would be great if not then how do we get the router up and running. Will setting the netmask for eth0 and eth1 to 255.255.0.0 so that both 172.20.20.xx and 172.20.21.xx are recognised as local networking address range help? This is if the eth2 and eth3 do not fall within this netmask IP addressing? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jun 29 00:57:18 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:57:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk Permissions not working In-Reply-To: <1088456503.29452.87.camel@server.ltsp> References: <001301c45d4d$bb03f440$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1088455105.29452.84.camel@server.ltsp> <40E08206.7090907@inlandlakes.org> <1088456503.29452.87.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40E0BE6E.8020100@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > I'm currently running netatalk 1.6.4 and have not had too much trouble with it. I only had the problem when I was trying to limit access via linux groups. (ie, our macschool database was not to be accessible to the students) -- when multiple people logged on and off (some "harshly" as the computers locked up) it tended to corrupt the database (.AppleDB) about once every 2 weeks. We have moved away from the need for such sharing, and next year's netatalk shares will be strictly for the "My Documents" share per person. I haven't had any problems when just one user logs in. YMMV, but even with the occational blip -- it wasn't too hard to fix. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org --<Disclaimer, now required for frustrating reasons>-- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jun 29 01:00:15 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:00:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk Permissions not working In-Reply-To: <20040628223748.M42410@winonacotter.org> References: <001301c45d4d$bb03f440$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1088455105.29452.84.camel@server.ltsp> <40E08206.7090907@inlandlakes.org> <1088456503.29452.87.camel@server.ltsp> <20040628223748.M42410@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40E0BF1F.3050005@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Could you just write a script that located all .AppleDB files and chmod 777 > on them so that even if they were owned by someone else the new user would The problem is that the files are created only when the first apple user logs in. I even thought about getting a "good" copy of the file, and restoring it every 10 minutes or so, with chmod'ing it etc. However, restoring a "good" copy of .AppleDB doesn't work right, and creating an empty .AppleDB folder doesn't work right either. I really did try to make my life easier with cron -- but to no avail. (lol -- I never did get clamAV to stay running, so I still have a cron job kill and restart it every 20 minutes. It's been working like a charm all year. Gotta love the low-tech fixes.) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org --<Disclaimer, now required for frustrating reasons>-- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ybjones at one.net Tue Jun 29 02:46:45 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:46:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server In-Reply-To: <HPEMKGOMGLNEGDEBKHAFKECOCLAA.rodell@bakersfield.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <20040629024100.JQUS27242.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> > Hello again, I'm still having e-mail server problems. I > am behind a Border Manager firewall, using NAT to translate > ip's. The error is "Connection refused > bakersfield.k12.mo.us[209.106.218.156]", which is my > registered e-mail ip. I'm sure its simple, but not for > me.......all help is appreciated.... Does the firewall forward the SMTP traffic to your email server? -Yancey From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jun 29 02:45:28 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:45:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Routing In-Reply-To: <1088470156.2973.9.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <200406281625.i5SGPVe1014626@mx1.redhat.com> <1088470156.2973.9.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <40E0D7C8.6070802@cmosnetworks.com> Sudev Barar wrote: >On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 22:03, Sean Fichera wrote: > > >>Routing is a problem >> >>We have >>Linux Server acting as a router to 4 locations >> >>eth0 172.20.20.25 >>eth1 172.21.21.25 >>eth2 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx >>eth3 broadband connection >> >>we have a squid proxy that will be on the 172.20.20.25 line with an ip of 172.20.20.26 >> >>A client on the 172.21.21.25 line can't get to the proxy at 172.20.20.26 >> >>We need help we like using webmin so if you can tell us how to get it running that way that would be great if not then how do we get the router up and running. >> >> >Will setting the netmask for eth0 and eth1 to 255.255.0.0 so that both >172.20.20.xx and 172.20.21.xx are recognised as local networking address >range help? >This is if the eth2 and eth3 do not fall within this netmask IP >addressing? > > No, that won't work, unfortunately. I made that mistake back when I was first learning routing, and it drove me nuts for a whole day of troubleshooting. What'll happen if you do that is that no packets will pass in between eth0 and eth1, because the routing logic will never get invoked. The reason for that is that the only time you ever invoke routing logic is if you're crossing logical broadcast domains; in the case of IP, this means crossing IP subnets. The kernel will not know whether to direct traffic from eth2 and eth3 out either eth0 or eth1, since both eth0 and eth1 would be on the same IP subnet. The result is that, depending on the specific implementation of routing logic in a given OS kernel, either nothing will happen, or you'll have half the traffic going out eth0 and the other half out eth1. Either way, communications ain't gonna take place. In the case of Windows NT/2000 Server acting as a router, no traffic will flow from one interface to the other. Cisco routers won't even let you do it; they'll throw up an error message and refuse to execute the command. Give us all your subnet mask information (this is *very* important!), and also check my previous response about enabling packet forwarding in the kernel. One last suggestion: consider learning the command-line way first, then going to Webmin, for when you get caught in situations just like this. Yes, it's the "hard" way, but the command line has saved me so many times across so many operating systems that I stopped counting years ago. Just a thought. --TP From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Jun 29 03:40:16 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:10:16 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Routing In-Reply-To: <40E0D7C8.6070802@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200406281625.i5SGPVe1014626@mx1.redhat.com> <1088470156.2973.9.camel@roop.ltsp> <40E0D7C8.6070802@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1088480416.15355.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 08:15, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: [SNIP] > communications ain't gonna take place. In the case of Windows NT/2000 > Server acting as a router, no traffic will flow from one interface to > the other. Cisco routers won't even let you do it; they'll throw up an > error message and refuse to execute the command. Thanks for the detailed explanation. Wonderful to get a gist of routing issues. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jritchie at bible.edu Tue Jun 29 12:41:20 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:41:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Routing In-Reply-To: <40E0D7C8.6070802@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200406281625.i5SGPVe1014626@mx1.redhat.com> <1088470156.2973.9.camel@roop.ltsp> <40E0D7C8.6070802@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1088512880.7641.74.camel@penguin> On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 22:45, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > One last suggestion: consider learning the command-line way first, then > going to Webmin, for when you get caught in situations just like this. > Yes, it's the "hard" way, but the command line has saved me so many > times across so many operating systems that I stopped counting years > ago. Just a thought. And a good thought. I agree, learn the command-line first. Otherwise you won't really know what your doing and in networking, that's a dangerous thing. In windows and even Linux now you can get away with it, but not in networking. At least, that's been my experience. JSR/ From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 29 13:00:42 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:00:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server In-Reply-To: <20040629024100.JQUS27242.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <001a01c45dd9$15703ca0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > > Hello again, I'm still having e-mail server problems. I > > am behind a Border Manager firewall, using NAT to translate > > ip's. The error is "Connection refused > > bakersfield.k12.mo.us[209.106.218.156]", which is my > > registered e-mail ip. I'm sure its simple, but not for > > me.......all help is appreciated.... If you are on the other side of you firewall it may be rejecting because it is not a local network. Try to use smtp auth with your client. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 29 14:15:54 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:15:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Just a quick thanks for everyones efforts Message-ID: <001b01c45de3$96c0e5c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I just wanted to thank everyone for your help with all of my questions over the last few months. Thanks to you guys I have now switched 5 of our area schools over to Linux for the following: Postfix for email server Openwebmail for webmail ClamAV for antivirus Mailman for Mailing Lists Bind for DNS Linux for DHCP Samba for Windows file sharing Netatalk for Apple file sharing VSFTP for FTP serving IPCOP as a Dorm Firewall And I have gotten one school to sign up for a switch to K12LTSP late this summer. With all of these school changes I now have more local businesses asking why they aren't running Linux. Thanks for all of your help....cause I'll need more :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From postmaster at aimschool.ac.th Tue Jun 29 06:03:52 2004 From: postmaster at aimschool.ac.th (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:03:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Hangs when Loading the Kernel In-Reply-To: <20040623044108.2430873B12@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000101c45d9e$dd68b7e0$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> I was trying to solve a problem about a client which hangs when loading the kernel. The computer is an Acer PowerSV model with 2.4Ghz RAM, intel845 chipset, 256 RAM, on-board LAN/SOUND. I was able to solve the problem and I want to share it in case somebody encounters this problem too. The problem is with one of the BIOS settings in the Board. You choose the "Advance BIOD Features" and in there, there's a "Gate A20 Option" which has two choices 1. Fast and 2. Normal. The default value is Fast which will coz the computer to hang. So I changed the value to normal which made my computer work. I don't know a specific explanation why it hangs when using the Fast mode. If anybody out there knows the reason. Please tell me. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to k12osn at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to k12osn-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at k12osn-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. XDM too many retransmissions (Dennis Daniels) 2. Re: K12LTSP vs. Skolelinux (David Trask) 3. Re: Logging onto the server from a windows machine (Dennis Daniels) 4. Windows Terminal Services (Shawn Powers) 5. Re: Logging onto the server from a windows machine (John P. Conlon) 6. Re: Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question (John Baillie) 7. Re: Logging onto the server from a windows machine (Bert Rolston) 8. Re: Logging onto the server from a windows machine (Bert Rolston) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:48:23 -0700 From: Dennis Daniels <ddaniels at magic.fr> Subject: [K12OSN] XDM too many retransmissions To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <40D8C547.8020004 at magic.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hello, I just tried loading FC1 on my network and got XDM too many retransmission errors on my cilents. I found this link: http://204.182.52.180/fom-serve/cache/46.html on the fix... and this one here: http://204.182.52.180/fom-serve/cache/3.html I was just wondering if anyone had encountered same XDM errors with K12LTSP 4 and if yes, what did you do to fix it? I've got a grab bag of monitors and hardware. I backed out to RH9 and manually loaded LTSP and most of my monitors are back but I'm getting other errors which many thanks Dennis ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:35:16 -0400 From: "David Trask" <dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Skolelinux To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Cc: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <fc.004c57de00135b873b9aca001cf95c95.135b88 at vcs.u52.k12.me.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> writes: >If I can take the best work >in K12LTSP and Skolelinux and easily add it into Xandros, I could, in >theory, have something useful in a very short order. You will of course share this right? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:39:10 -0700 From: Dennis Daniels <ddaniels at magic.fr> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <40D8DF3E.3030203 at magic.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed This litte tidbit has been wikified: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AAccess%3ANonLTSPCli ents dgd Joe Guenther wrote: > You can run the VNC viewer from a diskette (288kb in size) or a network > drive or a USBdrive .... it does not need an installation on the windows > machine - just on the LTSP side the VNC server has to be installed and > started. > > greetings > joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of John P. Conlon > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:29 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine > > > I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because > they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that > not even the administrator can access some of. > > Joe Guenther wrote: > > >>You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed and >>running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a terminal. >> >>Login as root ... away you go ... >> >>Joe Guenther >>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>LANtech - Didsbury >>Chinook's Edge School Div. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>Behalf Of jconlon1 >>Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM >>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine >> >> >>Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my >>school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest >>computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows >>machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an >>internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx >>Thanks >>Pat >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:50:34 -0400 From: Shawn Powers <spowers at inlandlakes.org> Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com>, pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Message-ID: <40D8E1EA.3030300 at inlandlakes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Paul, et all: I grow increasingly worried as my servers are traveling to my district... No one (including Microsoft) seems to be able to give me an accurate picture of performance with many folks connected to a Microsoft terminal services machine. Paul's setup at Riverdale has 100 computers all able to access the server -- but I doubt all 100 are usually connected. I'll mainly have folks using Microsoft Office (grumble grumble) and our proprietary student management system, which isn't really that big. Does ANYONE have any idea how many concurrent connections a big server can handle? I just found out today (again, showing my lack of Microsoft experience) that there is no version of windows that can even try to access more than 4GB of RAM in a server. That worries me. I have 1 Server, with dual 3.2Ghz/2MB Cache Xeons, and 6GB (only 4 usable now...) of RAM, all running on a RAID 5 ULTRA320 array, and dual Gig ethernet. I just couldn't think of anything more to throw at it for performance! Any advice or experiences would be appreciated. Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org --<Disclaimer, now required for frustrating reasons>-- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:04:42 -0700 From: "John P. Conlon" <jconlon1 at elp.rr.com> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine To: ddaniels at magic.fr, "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <40D8F34A.3010009 at elp.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed VNC is nice unless the security program on the Windows machine will not allow you to access anything except certain given file types and those needed for VNC are not among them. If I could do it with a browser I could probably make that work. If I knew how. Thanks Pat Dennis Daniels wrote: > This litte tidbit has been wikified: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AAccess%3ANonLTSPCli ents > > > dgd > > Joe Guenther wrote: > >> You can run the VNC viewer from a diskette (288kb in size) or a network >> drive or a USBdrive .... it does not need an installation on the windows >> machine - just on the LTSP side the VNC server has to be installed and >> started. >> >> greetings >> joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >> Behalf Of John P. Conlon >> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:29 PM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine >> >> >> I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because >> they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that >> not even the administrator can access some of. >> >> Joe Guenther wrote: >> >> >>> You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed >>> and >>> running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a >>> terminal. >>> >>> Login as root ... away you go ... >>> >>> Joe Guenther >>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>> LANtech - Didsbury >>> Chinook's Edge School Div. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>> Behalf Of jconlon1 >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM >>> To: k12osn at redhat.com >>> Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine >>> >>> >>> Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part >>> of my >>> school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the >>> nearest >>> computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a >>> Windows >>> machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine >>> on an >>> internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx >>> Thanks >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:11:56 -0400 From: John Baillie <jbaillie at stmarys-school.org> Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <1087960316.18814.52.camel at fedora2.thebaillies.net> Content-Type: text/plain Glen, I used the samba and ldap that came with WBEL Respin 1 [root at littlewhite root]# rpm -qa | grep ldap nss_ldap-207-10 openldap-servers-2.0.27-11 openldap-devel-2.0.27-11 openldap-clients-2.0.27-11 openldap-2.0.27-11 smbldap-tools-0.8.5-1 [root at littlewhite root]# rpm -qa | grep samba samba-client-3.0.2-6.3E samba-3.0.2-6.3E redhat-config-samba-1.0.16-1 I installed: perl-Convert-ASN1-0.18-0.rhel3.dag.noarch.rpm perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-2.noarch.rpm perl-Net-LDAP-0.2701-1.dag.rhel3.noarch.rpm I installed directory_administrator-1.5.1-1.i386.rpm after building from the source rpm. For the most part I followed David's instructions. If you use ver 0.8.5 of the smbldap-tools read the change log. I downloaded the documentation at Idealx on smbldap-tools and smbldap-how-to. very useful. I used their perl script /user/share/doc/smbldap-tools/configure.pl It configured most of the smbldap.conf based on my already working smb.conf but I still needed to tweak it. I also installed perl modules via CPAN as per David's How-to and installed the gnome-devel packages to satisfy the dependencies when installing directory_administrator. Verdict still out on this tool. John --------------------------------------------------------------- John, just bought a copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux to evaluate for $50.00 the price is hard to beat. I am installing it now. Did you build your own samba installation or do you use a rpm install with wbel? Because, I am currently using a RPM from the Samba site version 3.04 for Red Hat 9. I will see if Redhat update updates there Samba to that version. Thanks -Glenn ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:34:51 +1200 From: Bert Rolston <bert.rolston at clear.net.nz> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine To: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com, "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087965290.1260.9.camel at rolston.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain VNC works well. I used it to remotely control / setup WIN boxes AND connect to my LTSP server anywher on campus. I suggest using one of the secure VNC versions like TightVNC. Check out some of the registry hacks available for VNC on the ORL website. Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 04:38, jconlon1 wrote: > Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my > school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest > computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows > machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an > internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:36:30 +1200 From: Bert Rolston <bert.rolston at clear.net.nz> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087965389.1260.11.camel at rolston.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain I take it you can't run it from a floppy / USB pen drive? VNC fits on a 720k floppy. Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 07:29, John P. Conlon wrote: > I don't have the VNC option available in the Windows machines because > they are admin computers and have 90 thousand layers of security that > not even the administrator can access some of. > > Joe Guenther wrote: > > >You could also VNC into the server. I have the VNC server installed and > >running. When I VNC into it, I get the same graphical login as a terminal. > > > >Login as root ... away you go ... > > > >Joe Guenther > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >LANtech - Didsbury > >Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > >Behalf Of jconlon1 > >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:38 AM > >To: k12osn at redhat.com > >Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine > > > > > >Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my > >school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest > >computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows > >machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an > >internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx > >Thanks > >Pat > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 98 ************************************* From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Tue Jun 29 20:35:36 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:35:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Just a quick thanks for everyones efforts In-Reply-To: <001b01c45de3$96c0e5c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c45de3$96c0e5c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200406292135.41402.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 29 Jun 2004 15:15, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I just wanted to thank everyone for your help with all of my questions > over the last few months. Thanks to you guys I have now switched 5 of > our area schools over to Linux for the following: > Postfix for email server > Openwebmail for webmail > ClamAV for antivirus > Mailman for Mailing Lists > Bind for DNS > Linux for DHCP > Samba for Windows file sharing > Netatalk for Apple file sharing > VSFTP for FTP serving > IPCOP as a Dorm Firewall > > And I have gotten one school to sign up for a switch to K12LTSP late > this summer. With all of these school changes I now have more local > businesses asking why they aren't running Linux. > > Thanks for all of your help....cause I'll need more :-) Fantastic!!! What an achievement. You must be tired. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA4dKceWseh9tzvqgRAnQLAJ4rX+p/JZNHR8jI1LYj4wypkCamZgCfbaMN qwnWynm4wtAiD1ufzyE3cJM= =k09o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From patmo98 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 29 22:36:40 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick mohr) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Hangs when Loading the Kernel In-Reply-To: <000101c45d9e$dd68b7e0$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> Message-ID: <20040629223640.96152.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> --- Edwardson Pedragosa <postmaster at aimschool.ac.th> wrote: > I was trying to solve a problem about a client which > hangs when loading [snip] Next time please don't quote the whole digest. -Patrick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jun 30 01:56:55 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:56:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Routing In-Reply-To: <20040629121548.6D6BC816C4@fizban> References: <20040629121548.6D6BC816C4@fizban> Message-ID: <40E21DE7.3070200@cmosnetworks.com> Have you checked /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward? --TP Sean Fichera wrote: >Hi Terrell and everyone > >Still can get routing working this is it again and answers to questions. > >Ok right now we are in a testing enviorment before we decide to take down the entire network. > >to recap > >we have a Linux Router running Fedora core2 > >4 ethernet ports > >eth0 172.18.18.25 >eth1 172.20.20.25 >eth2 172.21.21.25 >eth3 this one will be used later lets call it 172.22.22.25 > >A Squid Proxy >eth0 direct to broadband internet >eth1 172.20.20.26 > >One Windows client (there will be many later) >172.21.21.27 > >Currently Our subnet is 255.255.255.0 on all computers. > >I attached a bitmap to show you > > From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Wed Jun 30 02:37:09 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (Joseph Bishay) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:37:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] End-of-school-year routine? In-Reply-To: <20040630015710.470E8732C3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40E1EF15.842.15FED15F@localhost> Hello, Hope everyone is enjoying the end of the school year! I'd like to pick the minds of you experienced folks, and ask what do you do to the lab at the end of the year? Is it as simple as shutting off the machines until end of August, or are there other routines/tasks you do instead? I'm always interested in learning more from those in-the-know! Thanks, Joseph From tim at litwiller.net Wed Jun 30 05:03:23 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:03:23 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Routing In-Reply-To: <40E21DE7.3070200@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20040629121548.6D6BC816C4@fizban> <40E21DE7.3070200@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40B96B1E.4070402@litwiller.net> As mentioned in the other thread you will need to get each network segment on thier own subnet before you can hope to route between them. once you have that planned out plan the routes that will be needed to tell the router what goes where. I posted a how to setup a fedora core router email several months ago. I'll try to find it and repost Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Have you checked /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward? > > --TP > > Sean Fichera wrote: > >> Hi Terrell and everyone >> >> Still can get routing working this is it again and answers to questions. >> >> Ok right now we are in a testing enviorment before we decide to take >> down the entire network. >> >> to recap >> >> we have a Linux Router running Fedora core2 >> >> 4 ethernet ports >> >> eth0 172.18.18.25 eth1 172.20.20.25 >> eth2 172.21.21.25 >> eth3 this one will be used later lets call it 172.22.22.25 >> >> A Squid Proxy >> eth0 direct to broadband internet >> eth1 172.20.20.26 >> >> One Windows client (there will be many later) >> 172.21.21.27 >> >> Currently Our subnet is 255.255.255.0 on all computers. >> >> I attached a bitmap to show you >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > From fulton at manorisd.net Wed Jun 30 18:27:27 2004 From: fulton at manorisd.net (Fulton, Wayne) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:27:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Having telnet come up automatically during bootup Message-ID: <4F1FFFF9F948D21190C50060943F1ED704399A61@manor1> We are running terminals to a unix time clock system using old machines and linux. The terminals telnet into a server running the time clock system. Is there a way to have that terminal telnet automatically into the time clock server after the end user logs onto the local machine? (Ie. Script, etc.) We want to avoid our end users having to telnet manually into the server. Thanks for any help. Wayne Fulton Technical Administrator Manor ISD -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-request at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-request at redhat.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:25 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 94 Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to k12osn at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to k12osn-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at k12osn-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Logging onto the server from a windows machine (jconlon1) 2. Re: Logging onto the server from a windows machine (Chris Hobbs) 3. RE: Re: LDAP install instructions (Glenn Arnold) 4. Re: Bigmem (Les Mikesell) 5. Re: A non-X10 solution (Quentin Hartman) 6. RE: LDAP install instructions (Glenn Arnold) 7. Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question (Glenn Arnold) 8. Re: Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question (Calvin Park) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT) From: jconlon1 <jconlon1 at elp.rr.com> Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <12116807.1087922298000.JavaMail.Administrator at atp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx Thanks Pat ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:19:26 -0700 From: Chris Hobbs <chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine To: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com, "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <40D85C0E.5040504 at silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed jconlon1 wrote: >Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of >my school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the >nearest computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was >a Windows machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows >machine on an internal network in other words the ip address is >xx.xx.x.xx Thanks Pat > > putty: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ I keep a copy on a USB key so I can always have it with me. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:45:53 -0400 From: "Glenn Arnold" <garnold at unrealsolutions.com> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: LDAP install instructions To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <FBB94159F220FF499DD25A7524D326800C4061 at unrealdc01.unrealsolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The LANG="POSIX" setting was the problem I was able to run the Perl install for the Unicode. Now I have another problem when I start ldap I get the following error when I try to start ldap. /usr/local/libexec/slapd: error while loading shared libraries: libdb-4.2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I believe the problem is symbolic link, but I not sure where to make the link. Any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:36 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: LDAP install instructions On a wbel box I ran into the same thing. The following is from: http://www.sng.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailscanner/serve/cache/121.html "If you edit /etc/sysconfig/i18n, you can change the first line to say LANG="POSIX" and the change will take effect system-wide, the next time programs are restarted. A reboot may be the simplest way to make sure you got them all." > > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:46:50 -0400 > > From: "Glenn Arnold" <garnold at unrealsolutions.com> > > Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions > > To: <k12osn at redhat.com> > > Message-ID: > > <FBB94159F220FF499DD25A7524D326800C405E at unrealdc01.unrealsolutions.com> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > When I try to follow the install Unicode::MapUTF8 instructions I get the > > following errors. I am trying this on Red Hat 9 which I know the > > instructions are for Fedora Core2. Any ideas what might be missing from > > my box besides fedora core 2 ;-) > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > > > > de-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode/Tr.pm line 27 (#2) > > Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xa5, with no > > preceding > > start byte) in pattern match (m//) at > > /root/.cpan/build/Jcode-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode.pm line 579 (#1) > > t/tr.........FAILED tests 4-8 > > Failed 5/8 tests, 37.50% okay > > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------- > > t/convert.t 39 15 38.46% 12-14 16 18-22 24-25 32-34 37 > > t/h2z.t 6 2 33.33% 4-5 > > t/new.t 34 19 55.88% 7-9 11-20 22 27-29 31-32 > > t/tr.t 8 5 62.50% 4-8 > > Failed 4/7 test scripts, 42.86% okay. 41/123 subtests failed, 66.67% > > okay. > > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 29 > > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > > Running make install > > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > Running make for S/SN/SNOWHARE/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09.tar.gz > > Is already unwrapped into directory > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09 > > Has already been processed within this session > > Running make test > > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" > > "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t > > t/01_unicode_maputf8....Can't locate Jcode.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > > ./blib ../blib ../lib ./lib > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/lib > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/arch > > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 > > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at > > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. Compilation failed in require at > > t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > > t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. t/01_unicode_maputf8....dubious > > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > > FAILED--1 test script could be run, alas--no output ever seen > > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 > > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > > Running make install > > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > > > cpan> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: /archives/k12osn/attachments/20040621/9b58ef69/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:01:55 -0500 > > From: jim at winonacotter.org > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > <k12osn at redhat.com> > > Message-ID: <1087855315.40d75ad325eaf at webmail.winonacotter.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > I keep running into these errors with all sorts of perl modules. It seems to > > always be related to a bug with perl. Try to issue the command > > # export LANG="en_US" > > at the command line and then run the install again. This has fixed every > > install problem I have had with perl so far. Not exactly sure why this fixes > > it but I have found the suggestion in forums on a few Google searches. > > > > Quoting Glenn Arnold <garnold at unrealsolutions.com>: > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:56:52 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <les at futuresource.com> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bigmem To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087923412.20817.5.camel at moola.futuresource.com> Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 10:11, Shawn Powers wrote: > As I send out the PO for our new servers with 6GB of RAM -- I recall > an > issue with the bigmem kernel... Is that still a problem? > > I'm not sure if K12LTSP 4.1 will be available when I need to install > my > servers for next year -- but if it solves a bigmem issue in 4.0.1, it > might help me make the decision to go now or wait... :) I'm running an in-house application instead of k12ltsp, but I've got several dual-xeon boxes with an RH9 base and kernel 2.4.20-19.9bigmem #1 SMP with 300+ days of uptime now. I haven't seen any problems with the memory size. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:06:21 -0700 From: Quentin Hartman <qhartman at lane.k12.or.us> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] A non-X10 solution To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087923980.8219.56.camel at localhost> Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 00:38, Chris Thomas wrote: <snip> > An interesting item that they had was a power > strip that contained a nic in it that allowed someone > to remotely cold boot a computer, router, whatever. > They could tur off and on the power to any plug > remotely. <snip> > Does anyone know of such a product? I have seen items like this advertised in a lot of admin / geek magazines like Sys Admin, Linux Journal, and the like. I imagine perusing one of those would yield results. Also a google search for "remote power control" returned what look to be a lot relevant results. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:49:16 -0400 From: "Glenn Arnold" <garnold at unrealsolutions.com> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <FBB94159F220FF499DD25A7524D326800B9AE7 at unrealdc01.unrealsolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the info! Last thing John posted with the "If you edit /etc/sysconfig/i18n, you can change the first line to say LANG="POSIX" fixed the problem. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: jim at winonacotter.org [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 6:02 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions I keep running into these errors with all sorts of perl modules. It seems to always be related to a bug with perl. Try to issue the command # export LANG="en_US" at the command line and then run the install again. This has fixed every install problem I have had with perl so far. Not exactly sure why this fixes it but I have found the suggestion in forums on a few Google searches. Quoting Glenn Arnold <garnold at unrealsolutions.com>: > When I try to follow the install Unicode::MapUTF8 instructions I get the > following errors. I am trying this on Red Hat 9 which I know the > instructions are for Fedora Core2. Any ideas what might be missing from > my box besides fedora core 2 ;-) > > Thanks > -Glenn > > de-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode/Tr.pm line 27 (#2) > Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xa5, with no > preceding > start byte) in pattern match (m//) at > /root/.cpan/build/Jcode-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode.pm line 579 (#1) > t/tr.........FAILED tests 4-8 > Failed 5/8 tests, 37.50% okay > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------- > t/convert.t 39 15 38.46% 12-14 16 18-22 24-25 32-34 37 > t/h2z.t 6 2 33.33% 4-5 > t/new.t 34 19 55.88% 7-9 11-20 22 27-29 31-32 > t/tr.t 8 5 62.50% 4-8 > Failed 4/7 test scripts, 42.86% okay. 41/123 subtests failed, 66.67% > okay. > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 29 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > Running make for S/SN/SNOWHARE/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09.tar.gz > Is already unwrapped into directory > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09 > Has already been processed within this session > Running make test > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" > "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t > t/01_unicode_maputf8....Can't locate Jcode.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > ./blib ../blib ../lib ./lib > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/lib > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/arch > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. Compilation failed in require at > t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. t/01_unicode_maputf8....dubious > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > FAILED--1 test script could be run, alas--no output ever seen > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > cpan> > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:59:07 -0400 From: "Glenn Arnold" <garnold at unrealsolutions.com> Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question To: <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <FBB94159F220FF499DD25A7524D326800C4062 at unrealdc01.unrealsolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure samba BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my samba PDC. >From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it would be easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have some concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in a production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any Opinions? Thanks -Glenn ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:24:54 -0400 From: Calvin Park <csitech at davisny.edu> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087928694.15928.11.camel at localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Currently we're running FC2 in a "pre-production" test server that has ended up getting some pretty heavy use and is actually running a Jabber server for internal office IM. At the moment it's also running Egroupware and Moodle (as well as Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc). It's on an old PIII 650...and a Compaq at that. :P But, it does run fine, and I haven't had any problems with FC2 since the install. It's only been up for 28 days though. We're planning on using FC2 in a few full production boxes come this fall. So, I have some faith in it. Of course, if my little pre-production server died this afternoon I would cry all that much. The only real problem I've had with FC2 was when I tried to do an upgrade from FC1...I had a few issues with KDE on the box that I upgraded. But I've since just wiped it and done a fresh FC2 install. Since then I haven't had any problems. So, I'm not sure I'd upgrade a production box to FC2 at this point, simply because I've had some trouble with the upgrade. However, I'd certainly plan on phasing in FC2 over FC1 on any box where I could do a fresh install. Hope this helps. -Calvin On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 13:59, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure > samba BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off > my samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it > would be easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is > I have some concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody > currently using Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 > and now 2 on my home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get > fixed, but in a production environment that could cause some big > headaches. Any Opinions? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 94 ************************************* --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.691 / Virus Database: 452 - Release Date: 5/26/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.691 / Virus Database: 452 - Release Date: 5/26/2004 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 30 18:54:56 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:54:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Having telnet come up automatically during bootup In-Reply-To: <4F1FFFF9F948D21190C50060943F1ED704399A61@manor1> Message-ID: <005801c45ed3$bcb363c0$1803010a@paasda.org> I know you can =), but memory is failing on how to do it... did something like that for a 'free mudclient' back in the early 90's =)... something with the last parameter of the passwd file... /bin/telnet 10.1.x.x although rlogin might work too... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Fulton, Wayne Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:27 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Having telnet come up automatically during bootup We are running terminals to a unix time clock system using old machines and linux. The terminals telnet into a server running the time clock system. Is there a way to have that terminal telnet automatically into the time clock server after the end user logs onto the local machine? (Ie. Script, etc.) We want to avoid our end users having to telnet manually into the server. Thanks for any help. Wayne Fulton Technical Administrator Manor ISD -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-request at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-request at redhat.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:25 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 94 Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to k12osn at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to k12osn-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at k12osn-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Logging onto the server from a windows machine (jconlon1) 2. Re: Logging onto the server from a windows machine (Chris Hobbs) 3. RE: Re: LDAP install instructions (Glenn Arnold) 4. Re: Bigmem (Les Mikesell) 5. Re: A non-X10 solution (Quentin Hartman) 6. RE: LDAP install instructions (Glenn Arnold) 7. Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question (Glenn Arnold) 8. Re: Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question (Calvin Park) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT) From: jconlon1 <jconlon1 at elp.rr.com> Subject: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <12116807.1087922298000.JavaMail.Administrator at atp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of my school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the nearest computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was a Windows machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows machine on an internal network in other words the ip address is xx.xx.x.xx Thanks Pat ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:19:26 -0700 From: Chris Hobbs <chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Logging onto the server from a windows machine To: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com, "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <40D85C0E.5040504 at silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed jconlon1 wrote: >Yesterday I had a problem. I was in a meeting in a different part of >my school. A problem occurred that if I could have loged in from the >nearest computer I could have fixed in about 2 minutes. All I had was >a Windows machine available. How can I log in as root using a windows >machine on an internal network in other words the ip address is >xx.xx.x.xx Thanks Pat > > putty: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ I keep a copy on a USB key so I can always have it with me. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:45:53 -0400 From: "Glenn Arnold" <garnold at unrealsolutions.com> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: LDAP install instructions To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <FBB94159F220FF499DD25A7524D326800C4061 at unrealdc01.unrealsolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The LANG="POSIX" setting was the problem I was able to run the Perl install for the Unicode. Now I have another problem when I start ldap I get the following error when I try to start ldap. /usr/local/libexec/slapd: error while loading shared libraries: libdb-4.2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I believe the problem is symbolic link, but I not sure where to make the link. Any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:36 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: LDAP install instructions On a wbel box I ran into the same thing. The following is from: http://www.sng.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailscanner/serve/cache/121.html "If you edit /etc/sysconfig/i18n, you can change the first line to say LANG="POSIX" and the change will take effect system-wide, the next time programs are restarted. A reboot may be the simplest way to make sure you got them all." > > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:46:50 -0400 > > From: "Glenn Arnold" <garnold at unrealsolutions.com> > > Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions > > To: <k12osn at redhat.com> > > Message-ID: > > <FBB94159F220FF499DD25A7524D326800C405E at unrealdc01.unrealsolutions.com> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > When I try to follow the install Unicode::MapUTF8 instructions I get the > > following errors. I am trying this on Red Hat 9 which I know the > > instructions are for Fedora Core2. Any ideas what might be missing from > > my box besides fedora core 2 ;-) > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > > > > de-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode/Tr.pm line 27 (#2) > > Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xa5, with no > > preceding > > start byte) in pattern match (m//) at > > /root/.cpan/build/Jcode-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode.pm line 579 (#1) > > t/tr.........FAILED tests 4-8 > > Failed 5/8 tests, 37.50% okay > > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------- > > t/convert.t 39 15 38.46% 12-14 16 18-22 24-25 32-34 37 > > t/h2z.t 6 2 33.33% 4-5 > > t/new.t 34 19 55.88% 7-9 11-20 22 27-29 31-32 > > t/tr.t 8 5 62.50% 4-8 > > Failed 4/7 test scripts, 42.86% okay. 41/123 subtests failed, 66.67% > > okay. > > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 29 > > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > > Running make install > > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > Running make for S/SN/SNOWHARE/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09.tar.gz > > Is already unwrapped into directory > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09 > > Has already been processed within this session > > Running make test > > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" > > "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t > > t/01_unicode_maputf8....Can't locate Jcode.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > > ./blib ../blib ../lib ./lib > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/lib > > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/arch > > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 > > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at > > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. Compilation failed in require at > > t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > > t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. t/01_unicode_maputf8....dubious > > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > > FAILED--1 test script could be run, alas--no output ever seen > > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 > > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > > Running make install > > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > > > cpan> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: /archives/k12osn/attachments/20040621/9b58ef69/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:01:55 -0500 > > From: jim at winonacotter.org > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > <k12osn at redhat.com> > > Message-ID: <1087855315.40d75ad325eaf at webmail.winonacotter.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > I keep running into these errors with all sorts of perl modules. It seems to > > always be related to a bug with perl. Try to issue the command # > > export LANG="en_US" at the command line and then run the install > > again. This has fixed every > > install problem I have had with perl so far. Not exactly sure why this fixes > > it but I have found the suggestion in forums on a few Google searches. > > > > Quoting Glenn Arnold <garnold at unrealsolutions.com>: > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:56:52 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <les at futuresource.com> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bigmem To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087923412.20817.5.camel at moola.futuresource.com> Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 10:11, Shawn Powers wrote: > As I send out the PO for our new servers with 6GB of RAM -- I recall > an > issue with the bigmem kernel... Is that still a problem? > > I'm not sure if K12LTSP 4.1 will be available when I need to install > my > servers for next year -- but if it solves a bigmem issue in 4.0.1, it > might help me make the decision to go now or wait... :) I'm running an in-house application instead of k12ltsp, but I've got several dual-xeon boxes with an RH9 base and kernel 2.4.20-19.9bigmem #1 SMP with 300+ days of uptime now. I haven't seen any problems with the memory 300+ size. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:06:21 -0700 From: Quentin Hartman <qhartman at lane.k12.or.us> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] A non-X10 solution To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087923980.8219.56.camel at localhost> Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 00:38, Chris Thomas wrote: <snip> > An interesting item that they had was a power > strip that contained a nic in it that allowed someone > to remotely cold boot a computer, router, whatever. > They could tur off and on the power to any plug > remotely. <snip> > Does anyone know of such a product? I have seen items like this advertised in a lot of admin / geek magazines like Sys Admin, Linux Journal, and the like. I imagine perusing one of those would yield results. Also a google search for "remote power control" returned what look to be a lot relevant results. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:49:16 -0400 From: "Glenn Arnold" <garnold at unrealsolutions.com> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <FBB94159F220FF499DD25A7524D326800B9AE7 at unrealdc01.unrealsolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the info! Last thing John posted with the "If you edit /etc/sysconfig/i18n, you can change the first line to say LANG="POSIX" fixed the problem. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: jim at winonacotter.org [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 6:02 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LDAP install instructions I keep running into these errors with all sorts of perl modules. It seems to always be related to a bug with perl. Try to issue the command # export LANG="en_US" at the command line and then run the install again. This has fixed every install problem I have had with perl so far. Not exactly sure why this fixes it but I have found the suggestion in forums on a few Google searches. Quoting Glenn Arnold <garnold at unrealsolutions.com>: > When I try to follow the install Unicode::MapUTF8 instructions I get the > following errors. I am trying this on Red Hat 9 which I know the > instructions are for Fedora Core2. Any ideas what might be missing from > my box besides fedora core 2 ;-) > > Thanks > -Glenn > > de-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode/Tr.pm line 27 (#2) > Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xa5, with no > preceding > start byte) in pattern match (m//) at > /root/.cpan/build/Jcode-0.86/blib/lib/Jcode.pm line 579 (#1) > t/tr.........FAILED tests 4-8 > Failed 5/8 tests, 37.50% okay > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------- > t/convert.t 39 15 38.46% 12-14 16 18-22 24-25 32-34 37 > t/h2z.t 6 2 33.33% 4-5 > t/new.t 34 19 55.88% 7-9 11-20 22 27-29 31-32 > t/tr.t 8 5 62.50% 4-8 > Failed 4/7 test scripts, 42.86% okay. 41/123 subtests failed, 66.67% > okay. > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 29 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > Running make for S/SN/SNOWHARE/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09.tar.gz > Is already unwrapped into directory > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09 > Has already been processed within this session > Running make test > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" > "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t > t/01_unicode_maputf8....Can't locate Jcode.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > ./blib ../blib ../lib ./lib > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/lib > /root/.cpan/build/Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09/blib/arch > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > lib/Unicode/MapUTF8.pm line 9. Compilation failed in require at > t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > t/01_unicode_maputf8.t line 5. t/01_unicode_maputf8....dubious > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > FAILED--1 test script could be run, alas--no output ever seen > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > cpan> > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:59:07 -0400 From: "Glenn Arnold" <garnold at unrealsolutions.com> Subject: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question To: <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <FBB94159F220FF499DD25A7524D326800C4062 at unrealdc01.unrealsolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure samba BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off my samba PDC. >From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it would be easier if >I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is I have some concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody currently using Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 and now 2 on my home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get fixed, but in a production environment that could cause some big headaches. Any Opinions? Thanks -Glenn ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:24:54 -0400 From: Calvin Park <csitech at davisny.edu> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Too upgrade to Fedora Core 2 thats question To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> Message-ID: <1087928694.15928.11.camel at localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Currently we're running FC2 in a "pre-production" test server that has ended up getting some pretty heavy use and is actually running a Jabber server for internal office IM. At the moment it's also running Egroupware and Moodle (as well as Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc). It's on an old PIII 650...and a Compaq at that. :P But, it does run fine, and I haven't had any problems with FC2 since the install. It's only been up for 28 days though. We're planning on using FC2 in a few full production boxes come this fall. So, I have some faith in it. Of course, if my little pre-production server died this afternoon I would cry all that much. The only real problem I've had with FC2 was when I tried to do an upgrade from FC1...I had a few issues with KDE on the box that I upgraded. But I've since just wiped it and done a fresh FC2 install. Since then I haven't had any problems. So, I'm not sure I'd upgrade a production box to FC2 at this point, simply because I've had some trouble with the upgrade. However, I'd certainly plan on phasing in FC2 over FC1 on any box where I could do a fresh install. Hope this helps. -Calvin On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 13:59, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I need to upgrade my Redhat 9 servers to LDAP, so I can configure > samba BDCs and off load some of the network authentication traffic off > my samba PDC. From the instructions I have seen sure seems like it > would be easier if I would up grade to Fedora Core 2. The problem is > I have some concerns on the stability of Fedora Core. Anybody > currently using Fedora Core in production? I have ran Fedora core 1 > and now 2 on my home PC with some quirky problems which eventually get > fixed, but in a production environment that could cause some big > headaches. Any Opinions? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 94 ************************************* --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.691 / Virus Database: 452 - Release Date: 5/26/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.691 / Virus Database: 452 - Release Date: 5/26/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jun 30 19:02:31 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:02:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] End-of-school-year routine? In-Reply-To: <40E1EF15.842.15FED15F@localhost> Message-ID: <005901c45ed4$cb9c1ca0$1803010a@paasda.org> My end of the year routine this year was to reimage a lab for a summer course for the staff taught by external teacher requiring this that and the other for their curriculum *bah*... When I asked, "could you do it with Linux and open office instead of XP and Office XP"...the response was, "yes, but I don't have hand-outs for OO and Linux"....*grumble I did* Then I started fiddling with all those things on the K12LTSP server that I'd been afraid to try cuz I didn't want to fubar something and leave kids without access. =) thus USB jump drives working now!!! (still a bit giddy about that one). Bought and built a new k12ltsp server so the entire student population can be seperate from administration as far as the server and network goes. Re-wiring a bunch of stations and classrooms...getting everything map'd out properly. Purging student accounts, backing up staff accounts, doing all the software updates(MS/Adobe/Novell/K12ltsp) And excitedly hoping that the next K12ltsp release happens before school starts so I can get that implemented with the latest kernel and FC2. Aside from that it's sorting through donated EQ and getting them to work as thin clients =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Bishay Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:37 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] End-of-school-year routine? Hello, Hope everyone is enjoying the end of the school year! I'd like to pick the minds of you experienced folks, and ask what do you do to the lab at the end of the year? Is it as simple as shutting off the machines until end of August, or are there other routines/tasks you do instead? I'm always interested in learning more from those in-the-know! Thanks, Joseph _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 30 20:20:53 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:20:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Having telnet come up automatically during bootup In-Reply-To: <4F1FFFF9F948D21190C50060943F1ED704399A61@manor1> References: <4F1FFFF9F948D21190C50060943F1ED704399A61@manor1> Message-ID: <1088626853.30067.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 13:27, Fulton, Wayne wrote: > We are running terminals to a unix time clock system using old machines and > linux. The terminals telnet into a server running the time clock system. Is > there a way to have that terminal telnet automatically into the time clock > server after the end user logs onto the local machine? (Ie. Script, etc.) We > want to avoid our end users having to telnet manually into the server. If these are LTSP terminals doing nothing but the telnet session you can configure in lts.conf SCREEN_01 = telnet TELNET_HOST = ip.addess Then you don't have to log into the server at all - it starts a local telnet to the specified host. If you are doing something more complicated and the time clock system allows ssh, you can set up ssh keys for each user for passwordless ssh connections to the time clock after logging into the server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 30 20:39:48 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:39:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] End-of-school-year routine? In-Reply-To: <005901c45ed4$cb9c1ca0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <005901c45ed4$cb9c1ca0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1088627988.29452.140.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 12:02, Huck wrote: <snip> > And excitedly hoping that the next K12ltsp release happens before school > starts so I can get that implemented with the latest kernel and FC2. > Aside from that it's sorting through donated EQ and getting them to work > as thin clients =) Yeah, if LTSP 4.1 is not released real-soon-now, I'll get _something_ FC2-based out the door. Behind the scenes, I'm currently testing upgrades of my RH9/FC1 servers to FC2. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20040630/636ead2f/attachment.sig> From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Wed Jun 30 21:13:57 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:13:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FC2 question regarding nfs Message-ID: <40E32D15.4060402@chartermi.net> I was just wondering if anyone has been using FC2 as a nfs server and how it has been going? So far, all my FC2 test servers are working excellent and I'm not seeing any problems, but it never hurts to check. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From mross at esd165.org Wed Jun 30 21:18:02 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:18:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] End-of-school-year routine? In-Reply-To: <1088627988.29452.140.camel@server.ltsp> References: <005901c45ed4$cb9c1ca0$1803010a@paasda.org> <1088627988.29452.140.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40E32E0A.1020908@esd165.org> Hey Eric, Put my name on the list for "Waiting Patiently and Enthusiasticly" for K12LTSP 4.1. Oh, and it might be a wise idea to make your future major updates so they don't land in the summer or early fall, that way the schools don't wonder "Will it be here in time?" and you won't have to listen to us ask the very same question. Just a thought. Sm:)e. --Matt Ross Eric Harrison wrote: >On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 12:02, Huck wrote: ><snip> > > >>And excitedly hoping that the next K12ltsp release happens before school >>starts so I can get that implemented with the latest kernel and FC2. >>Aside from that it's sorting through donated EQ and getting them to work >>as thin clients =) >> >> > > >Yeah, if LTSP 4.1 is not released real-soon-now, I'll get _something_ FC2-based >out the door. > >Behind the scenes, I'm currently testing upgrades of my RH9/FC1 servers to FC2. > >-Eric > > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jun 30 21:24:12 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] End-of-school-year routine? In-Reply-To: <40E32E0A.1020908@esd165.org> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406301718110.30271-100000@BigDog.mcquil.com> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Matthew Ross wrote: > Hey Eric, > > Put my name on the list for "Waiting Patiently and Enthusiasticly" for > K12LTSP 4.1. > > Oh, and it might be a wise idea to make your future major updates so > they don't land in the summer or early fall, that way the schools don't > wonder "Will it be here in time?" and you won't have to listen to us ask > the very same question. Eric's been holding up the release because I've not completed the updates to LTSP-4.1. Basically, we don't time our releases around anything other than the software being done. Although "done" is an elusive term. It's never really done :) Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Just a thought. Sm:)e. > > --Matt Ross > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > >On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 12:02, Huck wrote: > ><snip> > > > > > >>And excitedly hoping that the next K12ltsp release happens before school > >>starts so I can get that implemented with the latest kernel and FC2. > >>Aside from that it's sorting through donated EQ and getting them to work > >>as thin clients =) > >> > >> > > > > > >Yeah, if LTSP 4.1 is not released real-soon-now, I'll get _something_ FC2-based > >out the door. > > > >Behind the scenes, I'm currently testing upgrades of my RH9/FC1 servers to FC2. > > > >-Eric > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Jun 30 21:39:09 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:39:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help A Newb - Again? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630143557.01be3e40@pop.easystreet.com> Please forgive me if this is a duplicate post. I tried earlier and was informed that it wouldn't go through because I accidentally posted from a different account. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : : OK, I admit that I must be an idiot, but I still can't get this client to boot. Now it hangs on a screen that says: mount: 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 failed, reason given by server: Permission denied mount nfsmount failed: Bad file number NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument ERROR! Failed to mount the root directory via NFS! Possible reasons include: 1) NFS services may not be running on the server 2) Workstation IP does not map to a hostname, either in /etc/hosts, or in DNS 3) Wrong address for NFS server in the DHCP config file 4) Wrong pathname for root directory in the DHCP config file I really don't think it's #1. Showmount -e doesn't give any errors anymore and shows /home as shared I also threw /opt/ltsp/i386 in there for good measure. But I'm flummoxed by variables. I'm gonna spam the list with my salient config files just in case any of you good souls can spot the problem. ~~~~~~~~~~~~dhcpd.conf----------------------- # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd # # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; option routers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; fixed-address 192.168.0.1; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; } host ws002 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; fixed-address 192.168.0.2; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne"; } host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; fixed-address 192.168.0.3; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; } host testclient { hardware ethernet be:be:be:01:dd:00; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; # option option-129 "NIC=0x2625"; } } #shared-network workstations { # # RegularDHCP # subnet 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 { # range 10.0.0.1 10.0.0.5; # } # } shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; # trick from Peter Rundle <peter.rundle at au.interpath.net> if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ } else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.24-ltsp-1"; } } } ```````````````````````exports~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network functionality will fail. 127.0.0.1 linuxhost localhost.localdomain localhost 192.168.0.254 # clienthost 192.168.0.253 # testclient ws04 [root at linuxhost root]# cat /etc/exports /home 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw) /opt/lts/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw) #/home 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash) ``````````````````````hosts~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network functionality will fail. 127.0.0.1 linuxhost localhost.localdomain localhost 192.168.0.254 # clienthost 192.168.0.253 # testclient ws04 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I must be doing something obviously stupid. Thanks for trying to help me. ck From tim at litwiller.net Wed Jun 30 21:47:12 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:47:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Routing In-Reply-To: <40B96B1E.4070402@litwiller.net> References: <20040629121548.6D6BC816C4@fizban> <40E21DE7.3070200@cmosnetworks.com> <40B96B1E.4070402@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <40E334E0.4010507@litwiller.net> here is the information from an earlier post - even tho I can find it in the achives - it was in my ent folder edit /etc/sysctrl.conf you need these 2 lines net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 then add your routes like this route add -net xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmaks xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx then make the config files that will reload those routes on a reboot touch /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/route-ethx where ethx is each of your interfaces that have routes associated with them then grep your already setup routes into the config files you just created ip route show | grep ethx | grep via | cut -d" " -f1,2,3 > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/router-ethx do this for each interface that has routes configured for it replaceing ethx with eth0 etc next edit those the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/route-ethx file that points to the interface the default route points to and remove the line that has default via in it. Tim Litwiller wrote: > As mentioned in the other thread you will need to get each network > segment on thier own subnet before you can hope to route between them. > > once you have that planned out plan the routes that will be needed to > tell the router what goes where. > I posted a how to setup a fedora core router email several months ago. > I'll try to find it and repost > > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Have you checked /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward? >> >> --TP >> >> Sean Fichera wrote: >> >>> Hi Terrell and everyone >>> >>> Still can get routing working this is it again and answers to >>> questions. >>> >>> Ok right now we are in a testing enviorment before we decide to take >>> down the entire network. >>> >>> to recap >>> >>> we have a Linux Router running Fedora core2 >>> >>> 4 ethernet ports >>> >>> eth0 172.18.18.25 eth1 172.20.20.25 >>> eth2 172.21.21.25 >>> eth3 this one will be used later lets call it 172.22.22.25 >>> >>> A Squid Proxy >>> eth0 direct to broadband internet >>> eth1 172.20.20.26 >>> >>> One Windows client (there will be many later) >>> 172.21.21.27 >>> >>> Currently Our subnet is 255.255.255.0 on all computers. >>> >>> I attached a bitmap to show you >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jun 30 21:51:52 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Help A Newb - Again? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630143557.01be3e40@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406301751270.30271-100000@BigDog.mcquil.com> Carl, Show us what 'showmount -e' shows. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Carl Keil wrote: > Please forgive me if this is a duplicate post. I tried earlier and was > informed that it wouldn't go through because I accidentally posted from a > different account. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : > : > : > > OK, > > I admit that I must be an idiot, but I still can't get this client to boot. > Now it hangs on a screen that says: > > mount: 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 failed, reason given by server: > Permission denied > mount nfsmount failed: Bad file number > NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! > mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument > > ERROR! Failed to mount the root directory via NFS! > Possible reasons include: > 1) NFS services may not be running on the server > 2) Workstation IP does not map to a hostname, either in /etc/hosts, or in DNS > 3) Wrong address for NFS server in the DHCP config file > 4) Wrong pathname for root directory in the DHCP config file > > I really don't think it's #1. Showmount -e doesn't give any errors anymore > and shows /home as shared I also threw /opt/ltsp/i386 in there for good > measure. But I'm flummoxed by variables. I'm gonna spam the list with my > salient config files just in case any of you good souls can spot the problem. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~dhcpd.conf----------------------- > > # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd > # > # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd > # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. > # > > default-lease-time 21600; > max-lease-time 21600; > ddns-update-style none; > allow booting; > allow bootp; > > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; > option routers 192.168.0.254; > option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; > option domain-name "ltsp"; > option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > option option-128 code 128 = string; > option option-129 code 129 = text; > > > # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients > group { > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.0.254; > > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; > fixed-address 192.168.0.1; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; > } > host ws002 { > hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; > fixed-address 192.168.0.2; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=ne"; > } > host ws003 { > hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; > fixed-address 192.168.0.3; > # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; > } > host testclient { > hardware ethernet be:be:be:01:dd:00; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > # option option-129 "NIC=0x2625"; > } > > } > #shared-network workstations { > # # RegularDHCP > # subnet 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > # range 10.0.0.1 10.0.0.5; > # } > # } > > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.0.254; > > # trick from Peter Rundle <peter.rundle at au.interpath.net> > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" > { > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; > # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > } > else > { > filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.24-ltsp-1"; > } > } > } > > > > > > ```````````````````````exports~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > # Do not remove the following line, or various programs > # that require network functionality will fail. > 127.0.0.1 linuxhost localhost.localdomain localhost > 192.168.0.254 # clienthost > 192.168.0.253 # testclient ws04 > [root at linuxhost root]# cat /etc/exports > /home 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw) > /opt/lts/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw) > > #/home 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash) > > > > ``````````````````````hosts~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > # Do not remove the following line, or various programs > # that require network functionality will fail. > 127.0.0.1 linuxhost localhost.localdomain localhost > 192.168.0.254 # clienthost > 192.168.0.253 # testclient ws04 > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > I must be doing something obviously stupid. > Thanks for trying to help me. > > ck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> > From mross at esd165.org Wed Jun 30 22:00:54 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:00:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] End-of-school-year routine? In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406301718110.30271-100000@BigDog.mcquil.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406301718110.30271-100000@BigDog.mcquil.com> Message-ID: <40E33816.5030200@esd165.org> "When it's done" like Duke Nukem Forever or Debian Sarge? Sm:)e. Well, this was just a suggestion because his main user base are on school schedules. School schedules usualy have summers as the time when major changes can be made without effecting their students and staff. Thus, an annoucement of "it's comming soon" when it's in this time makes tech administrators anxious. If we don't know, or think it's far off (say, expected Begining of Winter), we'll stop pestering you guys. And if you release it early, all the better! Like I said, it's just a suggestion. Oh, and glad to hear some of the LTSP crew is listening on this list as well. --Matt Ross jam at mcquil.com wrote: >On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Matthew Ross wrote: > > > >>Hey Eric, >> >>Put my name on the list for "Waiting Patiently and Enthusiasticly" for >>K12LTSP 4.1. >> >>Oh, and it might be a wise idea to make your future major updates so >>they don't land in the summer or early fall, that way the schools don't >>wonder "Will it be here in time?" and you won't have to listen to us ask >>the very same question. >> >> > >Eric's been holding up the release because I've not completed the >updates to LTSP-4.1. > >Basically, we don't time our releases around anything other than the >software being done. Although "done" is an elusive term. It's never >really done :) > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 30 22:35:17 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:35:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help A Newb - Again? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630143557.01be3e40@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630143557.01be3e40@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1088634916.30324.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 16:39, Carl Keil wrote: > I admit that I must be an idiot, but I still can't get this client to boot. > Now it hangs on a screen that says: > > mount: 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 failed, reason given by server: > Permission denied Everything after this is caused by the mount failure. The exports file you listed looked right, although a stock one will say: /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) Be sure you do an 'exportfs -a' or 'service nfs restart' after changes to /etc/exports. If you look at the end of /var/log/messages or /var/log/secure on the server after this failure you may see a more detailed reason for the permission denied error. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Jun 30 23:16:45 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:16:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Maybe Linux is ready for the desktop Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630161300.01baee90@pop.easystreet.com> For those of you trying to justify Linux to Administrators, teachers and other skeptics, here's an interesting anecdote about Linux's ease of use/familiarity to new users. I have a couple of 12 year old kids staying at my house for a few weeks. I told them they could use my k12ltsp 4 server if they wanted as a workstation. (Since I can't get any @#$% terminals working yet.) They've been hogging my wife's Mac and I wanted to let her get back to it. They're usually windows users. When I found one of them using it I asked him if he'd ever used Linux. He said, "No, what's that?" I pointed to the screen and explained to him what an operating system was. He had been happily surfing the web. The only instructions I gave him earlier were to point at the terminal and say log in as foo/bar. Just thought I'd share. I was pretty dumbfounded, actually. I thought he'd need me to tell him where stuff was, etc. From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Wed Jun 30 23:25:54 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:25:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Maybe Linux is ready for the desktop In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630161300.01baee90@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630161300.01baee90@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <40E34C02.9000909@chartermi.net> Carl Keil wrote: > I have a couple of 12 year old kids staying at my house for a few > weeks. When I found one of them using it I asked him if he'd ever > used Linux. He said, "No, what's that?" I pointed to the screen and > explained to him what an operating system was. He had been happily > surfing the web. The only instructions I gave him earlier were to > point at the terminal and say log in as foo/bar. > > Just thought I'd share. I was pretty dumbfounded, actually. I > thought he'd need me to tell him where stuff was, etc. I've had one K12LTSP server in operation for the past year in a K-6 setting using ThinkNic's as clients. I've had few questions after one 2 hour inservice with the teachers. I have another server ready for deployment this fall and I was having 2 eleventh grade honor students test it out for me. My quip of "well, the kindergarter's have been using it for a year with no problem" was enough to stop their nagging. Once testing was done, I said all they had to do to go back to windows was shut down, remove the boot floppies, and restart. Strangely enough, they continued to use the terminal server for another month until school ended. From my experience, any student can sit in front of KDE, GNOME, and IceWM without a problem. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From nbs at sonic.net Wed Jun 30 23:53:04 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:53:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Maybe Linux is ready for the desktop In-Reply-To: <40E34C02.9000909@chartermi.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630161300.01baee90@pop.easystreet.com> <40E34C02.9000909@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <20040630235304.GA11304@sonic.net> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 07:25:54PM -0400, Eric Feldhusen wrote: > From my experience, any student can sit in front of KDE, GNOME, and > IceWM without a problem. I set up an 8yr old with a Linux box. He does FAR less damage to it, and plays around with more .. 'positive' aspects of computing .. than he ever did with any Windows boxes. He can be rather destructive (inadvertently), if he ever gets ahold of the 'Administrator' password of a Windows box. :^( On the other end of the spectrum, my dad (who's almost 69!) was recently set up with a Pentium II running Debian Woody and KDE 3.2. He does his email, web and letter writing. Haven't replaced his printer (he had an old Mac running OS8 or OS9, so most of the hardware wasn't transferrable >:^P ), but he prints-to-PDF in OOo and emails it to a local copy shop, who prints it for him for a few pennies. :) -bill!