[K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 2029
John Hutton
jwhutton at direcway.com
Sun Mar 28 23:03:27 UTC 2004
You can use XP as a terminal server. Take a look at Winconnect XP from
Thinsoft. It's not inexpensive, but does work well. I'm working on a
project for a local library to do just that.
http://www.thinsoftinc.com/products_winconserver_info.html
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> 1. Re: Re: DHCP Problem (cliebow at downeast.net)
> 2. NFS/XFree86 (corywynn at comcast.net)
> 3. Re: NFS/XFree86 (jam at mcquil.com)
> 4. Using Windows XP Professional as a poor man's terminal
> server] (Brian Chase)
> 5. Re: NFS/XFree86 (Caleb Wagnon)
> 6. Oh so close to a working FC2 build... (Eric Harrison)
> 7. Re: Client RAM question (Julius Szelagiewicz)
> 8. Re: Free computers for kids (Tom Brown)
> 9. Re: Using Windows XP Professional as a poor man's terminal
> server] (Jim Hays)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:07:39 -0500
> From: "cliebow at downeast.net" <cliebow at downeast.net>
> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: DHCP Problem
> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools."
> <k12osn at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <04032807084400.12568 at newguy>
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> by default dhcp prob runs on eth0..either change what ever your system
uses for
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd or rename an inteface to eth0??chuck
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:27:51 +0000
> From: corywynn at comcast.net
> Subject: [K12OSN] NFS/XFree86
> To: k12osn at redhat.com
> Message-ID:
>
<032820041827.17691.406719270008F3680000451B2200750330FF91918688868D90 at comca
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> Thanks Victor for your help in binding my dhcpd to the correct device. I
am actually able now to "see" the client bootup. Unfortunately I am now
witnessing an error during that process that tells me that a couple of
things have happened or aren't happening correctly:
>
> 1. nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding
> nfs: server 192.168.0.254 ok
>
>
> 2. XDMCP: INET6 UDP socket creation failed
>
> This results in a blank screen. However once I hear the login beep, I
logged in under a created user and was able to successfully login at the
server. I have a GEFORCE2 MX/MX 400 VIDEO CARD. I have of course done the
obvious of checking to make sure mountd and nfsd were running, which they
are. Also, my monitor on the client pc is a Packard Bell 1020 50/60MHz.
Any additional tips would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:44:42 -0500 (EST)
> From: jam at mcquil.com
> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NFS/XFree86
> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools."
> <k12osn at redhat.com>
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> On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 corywynn at comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Thanks Victor for your help in binding my dhcpd to the correct device.
> > I am actually able now to "see" the client bootup. Unfortunately I am
> > now witnessing an error during that process that tells me that a
> > couple of things have happened or aren't happening correctly:
>
> >
> > 1. nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding
> > nfs: server 192.168.0.254 ok
>
> Probably a network configuration problem. Check your cabling,
> switch/hub etc.
>
>
> >
> >
> > 2. XDMCP: INET6 UDP socket creation failed
>
> I think this is just a warning from the Xserver telling you it
> can't use ipv6, which you probably don't want anyway.
>
> >
> > This results in a blank screen. However once I hear the login beep, I
> > logged in under a created user and was able to successfully login at
> > the server. I have a GEFORCE2 MX/MX 400 VIDEO CARD. I have of course
> > done the obvious of checking to make sure mountd and nfsd were
> > running, which they are. Also, my monitor on the client pc is a
> > Packard Bell 1020 50/60MHz. Any additional tips would be greatly
> > appreciated.
>
> Your video card is probably overdriving your monitor, which explains
> why you can't see anything.
>
> take a look at:
>
> http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/modelines.html
>
> for more info on specifying modelines for your monitor.
>
> Jim McQuillan
> jam at Ltsp.org
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:00:39 -0500
> From: Brian Chase <networkr0 at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: [K12OSN] Using Windows XP Professional as a poor man's
> terminal server]
> To: k12osn at redhat.com, ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <40672EE7.9060003 at cfl.rr.com>
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> I've used Windows XP Professional and the Remote Desktop features within
> the OS, but only with one user, myself, logging into an office machine
> from my home machine. I'm looking to expand on that.
>
> I'm involved in a Linux Terminal Server Project and want to find an
> inexpensive way to offer very limited Windows remote desktop to a
> classroom of 30 or more Linux (LTSP) diskless thin clients using RDesktop.
>
> Can this be done with just WinXP or must we purchase a fully blown
> Windows Terminal Server? Citrix is out of the question for budget
reasons.
>
> Some questions come to mind are the following:
> - Nevermind licensing issues, is it technically possible?
> - What if any, licenses my be violated in doing so?
> - If it is possible, is there a limit to concurrent users
> logged into the WinXP box?
> - Anybody doing this now? (feel free to reply off-list)
>
> Any experience of info doing this sort of thing would be most appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 14:10:15 -0600 (CST)
> From: "Caleb Wagnon" <cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us>
> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NFS/XFree86
> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools."
> <k12osn at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1249.66.138.175.61.1080504615.squirrel at 66.138.175.61>
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> corywynn at comcast.net said:
> > Unfortunately I am now
> > witnessing an error during that process that tells me that a couple of
things
> > have happened or aren't happening correctly:
> >
> > 1. nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding
> > nfs: server 192.168.0.254 ok
> >
> >
> > 2. XDMCP: INET6 UDP socket creation failed
>
> For sanity's sake...let's try "service iptables stop" and continue and see
> what we get. This is not a standard setup and the default rules are to
accept
> all on eth0 and only ssh on eth1. So who knows what iptables rules you
might
> be running with this setup.
>
> --
> Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA
> Technology Coordinator
> Fordyce School District
> 870.352.2968
> http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:13:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Eric Harrison <eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us>
> Subject: [K12OSN] Oh so close to a working FC2 build...
> To: k12osn at redhat.com
> Message-ID:
> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403281256510.13864-100000 at k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us>
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>
> I'm down to only a small handful of show-stopping bugs before I'll have
> a Fedora Core 2 build of K12LTSP ready for those of you who love to
> live life on the bleeding edge ;-)
>
> There is a minor NFS buglet:
>
> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119114
>
>
> SELinux blows NFS shares out of the water:
>
> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=118946
>
>
> If I add an entry to /etc/fstab I can fix buglet #1 and booting
> with "enforcing=0" (which disables the SELinux security enforcement)
> I can get terminals up and running.
>
> Oh so close ;-)
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:31:15 -0500 (EST)
> From: Julius Szelagiewicz <julius at turtle.com>
> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Client RAM question
> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools."
> <k12osn at redhat.com>
> Message-ID:
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> On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 08:03, Rita Gibson wrote:
> >
> > > I am very interested in this discussion as I am trying to figure out
how
> > > to get a little better performance in our lab. I have been trying to
> > > decide whether to try to migrate all the boxes I have that would hand
> > > 128MB into the lab -- performance is always an issue when you have a
lab
> > > full of excited students trying to get their work done. If the client
> > > has more memory, then does the server do less swapping for that client
> > > (thus less processor time and bandwidth?).
> >
> > I think the only thing X can do with extra memory is use it
> > for 'backing store' so the obscured parts of overlapping
> > or covered windows (which can be a lot) are stored locally
> > instead of being redrawn as they are uncovered. If you only
> > work on one thing at once, this would not make much difference.
> >
> Les,
> from my (rather cursory) reading i see theat you are absolutely
> right: X server seems to try to cache the data as you switch windows. If
> you only work on one thing at a time, then 32MB is just fine. That said, I
> have not met anybody other than my wife, that works on one thing only. My
> users have typically 4 very separate apps running, of which only one is
> directly related to their jobs, Putting 128MB sticks in the workstations
> took care of all the sudden ws reboot problems.
> julius
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 14:26:37 -0500
> From: Tom Brown <tbrown at michiana.org>
> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Free computers for kids
> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools."
> <k12osn at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040328142036.00b66530 at michiana.org>
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> I strongly encourage you to check out Vector Linux 3.2. It works very well
> on low resource boxes and has well chosen apps and desktop managers. For
> 400+ MHz boxes Vector SOHO is good. VL 4.0 and SOHO want more RAM and HD
> than VL 3.2. Terrell's RAM suggestion for OO.org is on the money.
>
> Tom
>
> At 01:52 PM 3/27/04 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
> >Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote:
> >>The machines you're talking about sound like they'd also make excellent
> >>LTSP clients! :-)
> >>On machines that small, if you're doing standalone OS installs, I'd
> >>recommend a lighterweight distro than Red Hat or SuSE. I've found
Vector
> >>Linux and Peanut Linux to be good for this. They don't take up a bunch
> >>of space on the disk, either (less than 800MB for the whole
> >>thing). Would this be an option in your case?
> >>I'll warn you, though: on anything with less than 256MB DRAM,
> >>OpenOffice.org (any version) is going to be S-L-O-W, be you running it
on
> >>FreeBSD, GNU/Linux, or even (gasp!) Windows 2K/XP. The kids are much
> >>better off using apps like AbiWord and Gnumeric on such boxes anyway;
> >>they're lightweight, functional, and reasonably quick.
> >>--TP
> >
> >On faster machines, like the 400mhz I took to school already, I'll stick
> >to K12 and RH, of course. The 400mhz is still pretty darned slow loading
> >OOo. This machine I'm working on now doesn't seem to want to load a full
> >distro, however, so I just downloaded Deli Linux, and I'm giong to try
> >that. I had tried RH with Rule/slinky, but I couldn't get it to run X.
> >
> >tony
> >
> >>anthony baldwin wrote:
> >>
> >>>Check this out:
> >>>School-Library.net's Free 2 Learn Project
> >>>Free computers for students
> >>>http://free2learn.school-library.net
> >
> >
> >--
> >Anthony Baldwin
> >http://www.School-Library.net
> >Freedom to Learn!
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:53:27 -0600
> From: Jim Hays <haysja at sages.us>
> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Using Windows XP Professional as a poor man's
> terminal server]
> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools."
> <k12osn at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <40675767.8040207 at sages.us>
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>
> You willneed Win 2K or 2K3 server with terminal server client access
> licenses. The remote desktop for XP is for a single user only.
>
> Brian Chase wrote:
>
> > I've used Windows XP Professional and the Remote Desktop features within
> > the OS, but only with one user, myself, logging into an office machine
> > from my home machine. I'm looking to expand on that.
> >
> > I'm involved in a Linux Terminal Server Project and want to find an
> > inexpensive way to offer very limited Windows remote desktop to a
> > classroom of 30 or more Linux (LTSP) diskless thin clients using
> > RDesktop.
> >
> > Can this be done with just WinXP or must we purchase a fully blown
> > Windows Terminal Server? Citrix is out of the question for budget
> > reasons.
> >
> > Some questions come to mind are the following:
> > - Nevermind licensing issues, is it technically possible?
> > - What if any, licenses my be violated in doing so?
> > - If it is possible, is there a limit to concurrent users
> > logged into the WinXP box?
> > - Anybody doing this now? (feel free to reply off-list)
> >
> > Any experience of info doing this sort of thing would be most
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
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