From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat May 1 03:44:17 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 09:14:17 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <006601c42ee1$b757a430$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <006601c42ee1$b757a430$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083383057.5510.10.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 00:03, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > The point is that you aren't supposed to include all of the old > > posting(s) but instead snip it down to just the points that > > are relevant to your response. > > Is this how things should look to be list friendly? I believe I have > turned of HTML formatting and have turn on the > character to prefix any > previous message. I have also -snipped- the relevant information for > the reply. If there is any more stuff I should do please let me know. [SNIP] To show a snip. > Thanks to everyone for their help. My new File server is up and running > and appears to actually be functioning how I want it. I have learned > more on this list in the last 5 months than I have in the last 2 years. Me 2!! No annoyance but with properly trimmed and ">" or ">>" indented replies it is so much easier to follow on text readers (see above in first para). Also level of quoting indicates the turns of conversation / thread. Personally having seen many lists and participated, I found advice of bottom posting, received from old timers myself, more conducive even if some one jumps in late. [SNIP] I appreciate concerns of Hartley. As I said in my original post it was more of observation and not a high ground position!! -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat May 1 04:09:43 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 09:39:43 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Tutorial for SodiPodi Message-ID: <1083384583.14061.5.camel@server.ltsp> For anyone who is looking for a tutorial on SodiPodi - a likely replacement for Adobe Illustrator(?) - look at http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=fileDownload&mId=0&dId=31 A more comprehensive Tutorial has been made by our LUG member but link is not working. ANy one interested can off list me for a hefty 8mb .tgz file. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sat May 1 05:13:53 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 01 May 2004 13:13:53 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <006601c42ee1$b757a430$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <006601c42ee1$b757a430$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083388436.988.138.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 02:33, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > The point is that you aren't supposed to include all of the old > > posting(s) but instead snip it down to just the points that > > are relevant to your response. > > Is this how things should look to be list friendly? I believe I have > turned of HTML formatting and have turn on the > character to prefix any > previous message. I have also -snipped- the relevant information for > the reply. If there is any more stuff I should do please let me know. Purrrfect :-). It's all about learning, after all. Threads like this always elicit long lists of respondents with differing opinions and it gives a diversionary interest from time to time (away from purely technical issues). At the end of the day a list like this is about learning - and I learned better netiquette by using this list. Others from this list are doing the same now. To put some at ease, I can tell you there are some god-awful lists out there that make the transgressions here pale into insignificance. One technical list I subscribe to sees nearly every poster quoting the whole damned digest (i.e., 12 messages or more) just to make one line of reply!!!. Everyone on this list is impeccably behaved by comparison ;-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat May 1 13:43:06 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 09:43:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <40925327.50903@sages.us> References: <1083284213.3275.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <40925327.50903@sages.us> Message-ID: <4093A96A.6080406@snet.net> Jim Hays wrote: > For many reasons, > political and otherwise, most schools use at least some Microsoft > programs. Some schools have policies that exclude any mail clients > other than the approved mail client program. (And in come cases that is > Outlook - whether you like it or not.) Some users are not afforded the > option of using other mail clients. (Fortunately, I am and I have > chosen to use Thunderbird.) In my school the tech admins are as ignorant as your usual lUser. The main tech guy is totally lost if it's not Windows or Mac OS9. Honestly. All the same, when using my school e-mail, I connect with my iBook and use Netscape mail, even though the guy told me that it was only possible to interface with the school's mail server using Exchange. I also receive the same mail at home with netscape. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From les at futuresource.com Sat May 1 16:46:46 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 11:46:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] colinux/uml, etc? Message-ID: <1083430005.25848.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Has anyone tried any of the free 'virtual' linux projects along with k12ltsp to get a testbed without needing extra machines? VMWare can do it but it isn't free and the alternatives have some interesting twists. Colinux http://www.colinux.org/ claims to run a linux distribution as a windows process and has some hints on how to make a dual-boot machine let the colinux session access the physical disk partitions that could also be booted standalone. This might be good for a laptop to be able to access any program from either OS anytime. They have a canned debian setup, and instructions to convert other distributions but I didn't find anything specific about fedora. User mode Linux http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/index.html runs one or more virtual sessions which can't affect the parent machine. It has the ability to set up a copy-on-write filesystem where each virtual system shares an initial master filesystem but changes become local to that instance. This might be good for a lab setting or other potentially destructive testing. The 2.6 kernel is supposed to include the hooks for UML so it may be less work to set up on FC2. I've gotten as far as reading the project blurbs on these two sites. Has anyone done something with them yet? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ybjones at one.net Sat May 1 20:07:02 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:07:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <40925327.50903@sages.us> Message-ID: <20040501200250.CHRW13617.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> > other than the approved mail client program. (And in come > cases that is Outlook - whether you like it or not.) Some > users are not afforded the option of using other mail > clients. (Fortunately, I am and I have chosen to use Thunderbird.) > > Other list members are novice users who may not even know > that they is an alternative. They are here to learn more > about Linux and K12LTSP. > For that, they should be commended instead of ridiculed. And some us us - like myself - choose to use Outlook even though I have a Mandrake system running right next to my XP box. It is my choice to do so because I happen to like Outlook 2003 better than Thunderbird, Kmail, and Evolution (even though it is a close 2nd) and also because I like to sync with my iPAQ and I can't do that with Linux yet. So how about showing support for one of the tenents of OSS - freedom to CHOOSE. Let me choose my mail client and don't bug me about it. When I send a virus to the list (I have NEVER sent a virus to anyone) or post an HTML email, then feel free to say something about it then. When syncing with a PocketPC device becomes fully realized on Linux, then I may revisit my choice (but then again, maybe not - it's my CHOICE). -Yancey From ybjones at one.net Sat May 1 20:09:39 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:09:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040501200527.CRWT5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> > Keep an open mind. That also includes being open to using MS > products if they do the job better. Amen and hallelujah! -Yancey From julius at turtle.com Sun May 2 00:09:31 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 20:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <006601c42ee1$b757a430$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > The point is that you aren't supposed to include all of the old > > posting(s) but instead snip it down to just the points that > > are relevant to your response. > > Is this how things should look to be list friendly? I believe I have > turned of HTML formatting and have turn on the > character to prefix any > previous message. I have also -snipped- the relevant information for > the reply. If there is any more stuff I should do please let me know. this list has to do with schools, right? ^^^^^ punctuation > > Thanks to everyone for their help. My new File server is up and running > and appears to actually be functioning how I want it. I have learned ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ "the way" would be better reverse be / to > more on this list in the last 5 months than I have in the last 2 years. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ grammar or meaning wrong. please select > I hope my poor list etiquette has not annoyed too many :-) > Jim, there is always more .... the graet thing about your replies is that when top or bottom posted, they make sense. take it easy Bud, the nit-pickers will get us all. julius From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun May 2 00:46:45 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 06:16:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <20040501200250.CHRW13617.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040501200250.CHRW13617.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <1083458805.4999.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 01:37, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > > > other than the approved mail client program. (And in come > > cases that is Outlook - whether you like it or not.) Some [SNIP] Where no choice is afforded you got to use what you have. [SNIP] > And some us us - like myself - choose to use Outlook even though I have a > Mandrake system running right next to my XP box. It is my choice to do so > because I happen to like Outlook 2003 better than Thunderbird, Kmail, and > Evolution (even though it is a close 2nd) and also because I like to sync > with my iPAQ and I can't do that with Linux yet. So how about showing > support for one of the tenents of OSS - freedom to CHOOSE. Let me choose my > mail client and don't bug me about it. When I send a virus to the list (I > have NEVER sent a virus to anyone) or post an HTML email, then feel free to > say something about it then. When syncing with a PocketPC device becomes > fully realized on Linux, then I may revisit my choice (but then again, maybe > not - it's my CHOICE). [SNIP] No one is wanting to take that right away. However please consider the motivation of people developing open source. If it was a commercial product then yes unless they are offering something better than what you are using no reason to switch. Open source developer, on the other hand, is motivated by fact that people are using his (her) product and tries to improve based on feed back and community joins in with improvements / enhancements. Do we support open source developments (like K12LTSP / LTSP itself?) or not is the real question. Especially where choice is available. One can continue to use commercial products (not only $$ products) and come out with other ways to help open source community - no problem. Only when it becomes one way process that our vision becomes blurred and open source objectives are lost. Same issue is with sync. You would like to have something essential but how it is going to happen if we stick out and grab only what we want or is available? Discussion is OPEN for all views. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From troybanther at plateautel.net Sun May 2 01:16:54 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 19:16:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hello everyone Message-ID: <1083460614.13438.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello everyone, An online friend of mine got me hooked into Fedora Linux. I would love to hear from other educational fedora users. Especially as it relates to higher education. Here is a small project I have been working one on my campus http://banther-trx.homeunix.com/fedora Troy -- troy banther - fedora core linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From adfour at mtaonline.net Sun May 2 05:35:02 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 21:35:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <20040501200250.CHRW13617.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040501200250.CHRW13617.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <1083476102.6880.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I thought openzaurus had some way to sync your pda in evolution? Andrew Fournier > HTML email, then feel free to > say something about it then. When syncing with a PocketPC device becomes > fully realized on Linux, then I may revisit my choice (but then again, maybe > not - it's my CHOICE). > > -Yancey > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Sun May 2 07:08:38 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 02:08:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <20040501200250.CHRW13617.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040501200250.CHRW13617.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <1083481717.27705.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 15:07, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > When syncing with a Pocket PC device becomes > fully realized on Linux, then I may revisit my choice (but then again, maybe > not - it's my CHOICE). Yes, everything should be your choice. Now remind me why there are not a lot of choices when it comes to things that can sync with pocket PC devices... Could it be that you were sold something that does not follow published standard protocols for internetwork communications? Did you not understand what that meant when they took your money for the device? It is one thing to say that we should accommodate heterogeneous internetworking following standard protocols. It is something very different to say that everyone should accommodate a single vendor that doesn't follow standards, particularly in the same sentence that claims it is your choice when in fact all your choices have been made by someone else. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From adfour at mtaonline.net Sun May 2 08:26:46 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 00:26:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083481717.27705.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20040501200250.CHRW13617.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> <1083481717.27705.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1083486406.12929.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Well said, but this is an ipaq, right? Won't openzaurus run on it? If so won't their MutliSync package do what is required? In which case syncing IS realized. Or isn't it that simple? (waiting for my zaurus to arrive, so I haven't tested it yet) On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 23:08, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 15:07, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > When syncing with a Pocket PC device becomes > > fully realized on Linux, then I may revisit my choice (but then again, maybe > > not - it's my CHOICE). > > Yes, everything should be your choice. Now remind me why there > are not a lot of choices when it comes to things that can sync > with pocket PC devices... Could it be that you were sold something > that does not follow published standard protocols for internetwork > communications? Did you not understand what that meant when they > took your money for the device? It is one thing to say that we > should accommodate heterogeneous internetworking following standard > protocols. It is something very different to say that everyone > should accommodate a single vendor that doesn't follow standards, > particularly in the same sentence that claims it is your choice > when in fact all your choices have been made by someone else. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Sun May 2 12:35:56 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 08:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Fedora Core 2. In-Reply-To: <20040430220745.16274.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Chris Thomas wrote: > Thanks for the info Jim. Sounds like a big release. > > On a side note, if we have any changes that we would > like committed to cvs, who should we send them to? Email them directly to me at jam at Ltsp.org Jim. > > Chris > > --- jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Chris Thomas wrote: > > > > > What are some of the new features in ltsp 4.1? I > > went > > > to their website and didn't see any info on it. > > > > Chris, > > > > Here's a list of things we're working on for 4.1: > > > > o Better installer with versioning support > > o Kernel installation via the ltsp_installer > > o x11vnc support for remote controlling the user > > display > > o Sound packages > > o X over SSH > > o Local device support for CD-ROM and Floppy > > o Switch from XFree86 to Xorg X11R6.7 > > o bug fixes > > > > We're hoping we get all of the above done for the > > release. > > > > May 17th was picked arbitrarily. By next week we'll > > have a better idea > > of exactly what will make it into the release, and > > if it will actually > > be May 17th. > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Eric Harrison > > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 09:20, Matthew Ross wrote: > > > > > Greetings. > > > > > > > > > > I'm wondering how K12LTSP and Fedora work > > > > together. I'm very excited > > > > > about Fedore Core 2, as many of the features > > I'm > > > > looking for are > > > > > included with FC2. Since there is a public > > release > > > > schedual for Fedora, > > > > > can we expect the next version of K12LTSP > > (Based > > > > on FC2) shortly after > > > > > the release of Core 2? > > > > > > > > > > --Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I'm currently running FC2 on most of my > > > > day-to-day systems and > > > > have a test build of K12LTSP+FC2. > > > > > > > > I have the apt/yum repositories setup, but have > > run > > > > out of disk space. > > > > I'm going to go buy a bigger drive later > > today... > > > > > > > > FC2 is shooting for a May 17th release date. > > LTSP > > > > 4.1 is also shooting > > > > for a May 17th release date. If all goes well, > > which > > > > it is so far, we'll > > > > have K12LTSP 4.1 ready by the end of May. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Eric Harrison > > > > Technology Services > > > > Multnomah Education Service District > > > > (503)257-1554 cell: (971)998-6249 > > > > > > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 1.2 application/pgp-signature > > > name=signature.asc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Sun May 2 12:51:03 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 08:51:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] python and Teach.py Message-ID: <04050208542700.11929@newguy> This section of Teach.py seems to allow running a program..however nothing seems to happen def runVnc(self): " Run vnc as a student " #self.run("vncviewer -passwd /usr/local/share/passwd server:99") self.run("ssh 10.10.10.254") How can i tie the button provided in Teach.py to run a command of my choice chuck From wescott_mike at emc.com Sun May 2 15:35:26 2004 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 11:35:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] colinux/uml, etc? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 01 May 2004 11:46:46 CDT." <1083430005.25848.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200405021535.i42FZQnF010294@strange.us.dg.com> les at futuresource.com said: > Has anyone tried any of the free 'virtual' linux projects along with > k12ltsp to get a testbed without needing extra machines? VMWare can do > it but it isn't free and the alternatives have some interesting > twists. An interesting idea. We had a presentation on UML at our last LUG meeting and it looks like a reasonable way to try various types of testing. Your message piqued my interest because I have been playing with VMWare for the past couple of days and was just thinking about setting up a 1-server, 1- or 2-client test bed for K12LTSP on a single machine. The first hurdle would be to compile a kernel with the UML hooks. The second would be to put together a minimal root filesystem to run on the kernel. From that you could install additional rpms. That would work for the server. I don't see any way to use UML to look at very early server installation issues or client boot time problems. It won't emulate PXE or bootp: you always start up a linux kernel under UML. But there's nothing to stop you from compiling a client kernel under the UML architecture and booting it on the same box as your (virtual) server. But there are probably some problems getting the Xserver to work for client emulation. -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM From ybjones at one.net Sun May 2 16:40:51 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:40:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083476102.6880.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040502163637.PVWL5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> > I thought openzaurus had some way to sync your pda in evolution? > Andrew Fournier Well, I don't have a Zaurus - you must have missed the part where I said I have an iPAQ. -Yancey From les at futuresource.com Sun May 2 17:17:18 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 12:17:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] colinux/uml, etc? In-Reply-To: <200405021535.i42FZQnF010294@strange.us.dg.com> References: <200405021535.i42FZQnF010294@strange.us.dg.com> Message-ID: <1083518238.11279.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 10:35, Michael Wescott wrote: > I don't see any way to use UML to look at very early server > installation issues or client boot time problems. It won't > emulate PXE or bootp: you always start up a linux kernel under > UML. But there's nothing to stop you from compiling a client > kernel under the UML architecture and booting it on the same > box as your (virtual) server. But there are probably some > problems getting the Xserver to work for client emulation. The scenario where UML might fit is where you would like to give lab students or program developers root access to install software or try out changes without giving them each a server-class PC. Running a UML client for each would provide isolation while still allowing most resources to be shared. You could still run the Xserver on the desktop box but log in as root to a UML session instead of a normal user in the master session. You might have to do something to beef up NFS security if you have people you don't trust running as root, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From troybanther at plateautel.net Sun May 2 17:26:50 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 11:26:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] colinux/uml, etc? In-Reply-To: <1083518238.11279.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <200405021535.i42FZQnF010294@strange.us.dg.com> <1083518238.11279.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1083518810.15632.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, Does anyone here have photos of their Fedora labs or projects? Troy -- troy banther - fedora core linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From ybjones at one.net Sun May 2 17:44:02 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 13:44:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] colinux/uml, etc? In-Reply-To: <1083430005.25848.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040502173948.RLIP21085.smtp1.fuse.net@malachi> > Has anyone tried any of the free 'virtual' linux projects > along with k12ltsp to get a testbed without needing extra machines? > VMWare can do it but it isn't free and the alternatives have > some interesting twists. VMWare is an awesome product. They used to have educational prices listed on their site but I think you have to contact them directly for them now - their educational price used to be $99. They recently dropped their price to $189 for the Workstation version for the general public and it is worth it (no, I am not affiliated with VMWare in any way). The other projects look interesteing but not near as easy to set up as VMWare. The time saving and the support should help justify the cost. -Yancey From ybjones at one.net Sun May 2 17:29:02 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 13:29:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083481717.27705.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040502172448.RLZP5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> > Yes, everything should be your choice. Now remind me why there > are not a lot of choices when it comes to things that can > sync with pocket PC devices... Could it be that you were > sold something that does not follow published standard > protocols for internetwork communications? Did you not > understand what that meant when they took your money for the > device? It is one thing to say that we should accommodate > heterogeneous internetworking following standard protocols. > It is something very different to say that everyone should > accommodate a single vendor that doesn't follow standards, > particularly in the same sentence that claims it is your > choice when in fact all your choices have been made by someone else. That's funny - "you were sold something" - actually, I purchased the iPAQ because I wanted to and because in my opinion, there is no better handheld on the market (I have an iPAQ 5555 BTW). I will not purchase something just because it may be the "in thing" or approved by the open source crowd. There is a project called SynCE that is under development to make it possible to sync a PocketPC device with Linux (http://synce.sourceforge.net) - so there must be some documentation as to how to sync up the device. I will venture a guess that the reason there aren't a bunch more is that a using PocketPC is kind of an unspoken taboo for the Linux crowd. It is funny that you think my choice was made by somebody else just because I chose something which is contrary to the Linux movement. Sounds to me like your choices are being made by somebody else. I don't care which handheld you use - I don't care if you buy an iPAQ and put Familiar on it, I don't care if you by a Zaurus, Palm, or anything else - whatever you want to do is your choice. Don't try to limit my choices or downplay my choice because you have philosophical disagreement with Microsoft. I guess the real difference is that my choice to use Linux or Windows (or whatever) is not a philosophical decision - it is a practical one. I use what suits me best at the time and I really don't care what the popular opinion is. You are free to make your own choice regardless of the reasons behind it - just stop with the attitude that because I made a choice contrary to yours, I must of somehow been duped. -Yancey From adfour at mtaonline.net Sun May 2 19:18:12 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 11:18:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <20040502163637.PVWL5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040502163637.PVWL5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <1083525492.25534.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> No, I hadn't. There are free opensource linux distributions for pdas, Ipaqs among them. OpenZaurus supports some ipaqs, and there are other projects.I don't know if your particular model is supported, but it is worth a look. My point was that a solution for the linux pda issue exists, that it might apply to yours, and that it is far too common to hear that there is no solution from folks who haven't really looked yet.The hard part of acculturating to opensource (or any other kind of freedom) is that it implies more responsibility, to research, write, and ask---to find workable consistent solutions rather than to be bushwhacked by folks who thrive on you doin' what they tell ya to, whether it's good for you or not. Sorry if my reply seems extreme. I keep having the discussion re k12ltsp and linux generally that "there is no one to support it..." and stuff like that despite the presence of 2 lugs, a university and several colleges in the area. There seems to be a trend toward a certain ability to pass the buck and pay the vendor that if ind disturbing. On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 08:40, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > I thought openzaurus had some way to sync your pda in evolution? > > Andrew Fournier > > Well, I don't have a Zaurus - you must have missed the part where I said I > have an iPAQ. > > -Yancey > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bskahan at etria.com Sun May 2 19:01:38 2004 From: bskahan at etria.com (Brian P. Skahan) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 15:01:38 -0400 Subject: OT: Ipaq sync - was RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <20040501200250.CHRW13617.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040501200250.CHRW13617.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <1083524498.18604.3.camel@polin8.etria.com> On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 16:07 -0400, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > When syncing with a PocketPC device becomes > fully realized on Linux, then I may revisit my choice (but then again, maybe > not - it's my CHOICE). Multisyc does provide synchronization between windows CE (Ipaq) and Evolution or LDAP. I've only used it for the Zaurus, but it might be worth taking a look. http://multisync.sourceforge.net/ -Brian -- Brian P. Skahan Etria, LLP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From adfour at mtaonline.net Sun May 2 19:27:27 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 11:27:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] colinux/uml, etc? In-Reply-To: <20040502173948.RLIP21085.smtp1.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040502173948.RLIP21085.smtp1.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <1083526047.25534.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Handhelds.org has a nice how to on linux on ipaq. Maybe the info you need is there? On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 09:44, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > Has anyone tried any of the free 'virtual' linux projects > > along with k12ltsp to get a testbed without needing extra machines? > > VMWare can do it but it isn't free and the alternatives have > > some interesting twists. > > VMWare is an awesome product. They used to have educational prices listed on > their site but I think you have to contact them directly for them now - > their educational price used to be $99. They recently dropped their price to > $189 for the Workstation version for the general public and it is worth it > (no, I am not affiliated with VMWare in any way). > > The other projects look interesteing but not near as easy to set up as > VMWare. The time saving and the support should help justify the cost. > > -Yancey > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jneiffer at neiffer.com Sun May 2 19:54:54 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 13:54:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083525492.25534.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200405021955.i42JtF99008694@mx3.redhat.com> I have been a fly on the wall for most of this discussion because it's the kind of discourse that I think gives the open source community a poor perception among outsiders, but... What if you like the closed source/Windows version of something better? I use Outlook 2003 for email because I like it more. I can't even tell you why, other than I simply prefer that application. I use OO.org a lot for office suite needs, I use AbiWord for fast notes (because it is wicked fast), and I use the GIMP for most visual editing (and I love 2.0). I even find myself logging into my K12LTSP box more often now for most tasks (I use it as a classroom server with 10 clients). But, I still use Outlook and for that matter, the software that came with my old Palm Pilot which plugs nicely into Outlook. Who cares? Does someone have to be 100% either way? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Fournier Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 1:18 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? No, I hadn't. There are free opensource linux distributions for pdas, Ipaqs among them. OpenZaurus supports some ipaqs, and there are other projects.I don't know if your particular model is supported, but it is worth a look. My point was that a solution for the linux pda issue exists, that it might apply to yours, and that it is far too common to hear that there is no solution from folks who haven't really looked yet.The hard part of acculturating to opensource (or any other kind of freedom) is that it implies more responsibility, to research, write, and ask---to find workable consistent solutions rather than to be bushwhacked by folks who thrive on you doin' what they tell ya to, whether it's good for you or not. Sorry if my reply seems extreme. I keep having the discussion re k12ltsp and linux generally that "there is no one to support it..." and stuff like that despite the presence of 2 lugs, a university and several colleges in the area. There seems to be a trend toward a certain ability to pass the buck and pay the vendor that if ind disturbing. On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 08:40, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > I thought openzaurus had some way to sync your pda in evolution? > > Andrew Fournier > > Well, I don't have a Zaurus - you must have missed the part where I said I > have an iPAQ. > > -Yancey > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From adfour at mtaonline.net Sun May 2 20:11:11 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 12:11:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <200405021955.i42JtF99008694@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200405021955.i42JtF99008694@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1083528670.26156.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Actually, i don't care. Unless it is a matter of conserving public funds- or asking me to clean up your viruses. The thing that caught my eye here was the claim that syncing with a pda couldn't be done in linux. Assuming, as was the clear implication in the first post, that one WISHED to use linux, but could not, due to its deficiencies, it seems reasonable to advise regarding opensource solutions, and to suggest that a solution be sought before the complaint is made. My pesronal tastes in personal organizers actually tend towards "post it" notes and refrigerator magnets. I don't actually care if you use cuneiform. My issue was that I hear to much about what can't be done by folks who haven't tried.- and somehow the os seems to bear the responsibility for this lack of effort. Yancey initially said "When syncing with a Pocket PC device becomes fully realized on Linux, then I may revisit my choice (but then again, maybe not - it's my CHOICE). " You see the condition in the statement? I was addressing that condition. On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 11:54, Jason Neiffer wrote: > I have been a fly on the wall for most of this discussion because it's the > kind of discourse that I think gives the open source community a poor > perception among outsiders, but... > > What if you like the closed source/Windows version of something better? I > use Outlook 2003 for email because I like it more. I can't even tell you > why, other than I simply prefer that application. I use OO.org a lot for > office suite needs, I use AbiWord for fast notes (because it is wicked > fast), and I use the GIMP for most visual editing (and I love 2.0). I even > find myself logging into my K12LTSP box more often now for most tasks (I use > it as a classroom server with 10 clients). But, I still use Outlook and for > that matter, the software that came with my old Palm Pilot which plugs > nicely into Outlook. Who cares? Does someone have to be 100% either way? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Andrew Fournier > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 1:18 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? > > No, I hadn't. There are free opensource linux distributions for pdas, > Ipaqs among them. OpenZaurus supports some ipaqs, and there are other > projects.I don't know if your particular model is supported, but it is > worth a look. My point was that a solution for the linux pda issue > exists, that it might apply to yours, and that it is far too common to > hear that there is no solution from folks who haven't really looked > yet.The hard part of acculturating to opensource (or any other kind of > freedom) is that it implies more responsibility, to research, write, and > ask---to find workable consistent solutions rather than to be > bushwhacked by folks who thrive on you doin' what they tell ya to, > whether it's good for you or not. Sorry if my reply seems extreme. I > keep having the discussion re k12ltsp and linux generally that "there is > no one to support it..." and stuff like that despite the presence of 2 > lugs, a university and several colleges in the area. There seems to be a > trend toward a certain ability to pass the buck and pay the vendor that > if ind disturbing. > > On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 08:40, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > > I thought openzaurus had some way to sync your pda in evolution? > > > Andrew Fournier > > > > Well, I don't have a Zaurus - you must have missed the part where I said I > > have an iPAQ. > > > > -Yancey > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From adfour at mtaonline.net Sun May 2 20:15:11 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 12:15:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <200405021955.i42JtF99008694@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200405021955.i42JtF99008694@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1083528911.26156.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> O. Institutionally, i suspect that outlook is very very expensive, as a byproduct of its many vulnerabilities. I am NOT saying "don't use it." Just that I see a lot of problems caused by its use (misuse?) in large systems. Please don't take this personally- it is a mere observation based on security reports. On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 11:54, Jason Neiffer wrote: > I have been a fly on the wall for most of this discussion because it's the > kind of discourse that I think gives the open source community a poor > perception among outsiders, but... > > What if you like the closed source/Windows version of something better? I > use Outlook 2003 for email because I like it more. I can't even tell you > why, other than I simply prefer that application. I use OO.org a lot for > office suite needs, I use AbiWord for fast notes (because it is wicked > fast), and I use the GIMP for most visual editing (and I love 2.0). I even > find myself logging into my K12LTSP box more often now for most tasks (I use > it as a classroom server with 10 clients). But, I still use Outlook and for > that matter, the software that came with my old Palm Pilot which plugs > nicely into Outlook. Who cares? Does someone have to be 100% either way? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Andrew Fournier > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 1:18 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? > > No, I hadn't. There are free opensource linux distributions for pdas, > Ipaqs among them. OpenZaurus supports some ipaqs, and there are other > projects.I don't know if your particular model is supported, but it is > worth a look. My point was that a solution for the linux pda issue > exists, that it might apply to yours, and that it is far too common to > hear that there is no solution from folks who haven't really looked > yet.The hard part of acculturating to opensource (or any other kind of > freedom) is that it implies more responsibility, to research, write, and > ask---to find workable consistent solutions rather than to be > bushwhacked by folks who thrive on you doin' what they tell ya to, > whether it's good for you or not. Sorry if my reply seems extreme. I > keep having the discussion re k12ltsp and linux generally that "there is > no one to support it..." and stuff like that despite the presence of 2 > lugs, a university and several colleges in the area. There seems to be a > trend toward a certain ability to pass the buck and pay the vendor that > if ind disturbing. > > On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 08:40, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > > I thought openzaurus had some way to sync your pda in evolution? > > > Andrew Fournier > > > > Well, I don't have a Zaurus - you must have missed the part where I said I > > have an iPAQ. > > > > -Yancey > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ybjones at one.net Sun May 2 20:07:58 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 16:07:58 -0400 Subject: Ipaq sync - was RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083524498.18604.3.camel@polin8.etria.com> Message-ID: <20040502200343.WROT13617.smtp3.fuse.net@malachi> > Multisyc does provide synchronization between windows CE > (Ipaq) and Evolution or LDAP. I've only used it for the > Zaurus, but it might be worth taking a look. I think they use snyCE underneath which I mentioned in one of my other posts. I am planning on testing the new feature sometime here in the near future but I do not think it support mail syncing yet but I do see that it is one of the intended features. -Yancey From ybjones at one.net Sun May 2 20:25:29 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 16:25:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083525492.25534.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040502202114.WRZR21085.smtp1.fuse.net@malachi> > No, I hadn't. There are free opensource linux distributions > for pdas, Ipaqs among them. OpenZaurus supports some ipaqs, > and there are other projects.I don't know if your particular > model is supported, but it is worth a look. My point was that > a solution for the linux pda issue exists, that it might > apply to yours, and that it is far too common to hear that > there is no solution from folks who haven't really looked > yet.The hard part of acculturating to opensource (or any other kind of > freedom) is that it implies more responsibility, to research, > write, and ask---to find workable consistent solutions rather > than to be bushwhacked by folks who thrive on you doin' what > they tell ya to, whether it's good for you or not. Sorry if > my reply seems extreme. I keep having the discussion re > k12ltsp and linux generally that "there is no one to support > it..." and stuff like that despite the presence of 2 lugs, a > university and several colleges in the area. There seems to > be a trend toward a certain ability to pass the buck and pay > the vendor that if ind disturbing. I was not aware that OpenZaurus supported anything besides the Zaurus. According to their site, it does not support the 5555. However, I am seriously looking at Familiar using Opie as the desktop. I just get a little nervous when I start playing in areas that are unfamiliar (no pun intended) and where I could render my iPAQ inoperable. I know that there is plenty of support for Linux (look at this newsgroup alone). I support Linux for some of my clients and have recommended Linux over Windows on multiple occasions. But then I know what resources are available in my area. Just so that you are aware, I have looked at other solutions (I looked at the Zaurus and at Palm based PDA's also) and I chose to use the iPAQ 5555 and live with what it syncs with. I actually happen to like Outlook so having a PDA that only syncs with it was really a non-issue for me. If I were a Linux only user then I would have likely still purchased the iPAQ and replaced CE with a Linux based distro. -Yancey From ybjones at one.net Sun May 2 20:48:50 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 16:48:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083528670.26156.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040502204435.XMGM21085.smtp1.fuse.net@malachi> > Actually, i don't care. Unless it is a matter of conserving public > funds- or asking me to clean up your viruses. The thing that > caught my eye here was the claim that syncing with a pda > couldn't be done in linux. Assuming, as was the clear > implication in the first post, that one WISHED to use linux, > but could not, due to its deficiencies, it seems reasonable > to advise regarding opensource solutions, and to suggest that > a solution be sought before the complaint is made. My Sorry, I did not mean to imply that there was no solution to sync a PDA with Linux. That was poor wording on my part. I like Outlook 2003 and I simply added the syncing ability as another reason that I like Outlook - not as the only reason I use it. I was also not making a complaint, just adding that there are those of us who use Outlook by choice. I did not mean to imply that "that one WISHED to use Linux, but could not, due to its deficiencies". I apologize for the confusion. On a side note, had I had to purchase my Office 2003, then perhaps I would be using something different. No, I did not steal it - I got a "free" copy by going to a Microsoft TS2 seminar. I got Small Business Server 2003 Premium for "free" that way as well. I probably would not like Outlook as much if I would have had to pay $400+ for it. -Yancey From troybanther at plateautel.net Sun May 2 20:25:55 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 14:25:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <20040502172448.RLZP5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040502172448.RLZP5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <1083529555.15632.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Heck. I am just trying to locate an older and used laptop to put Fedora Linux onto. Troy -- troy banther - fedora core linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon May 3 01:14:25 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 06:44:25 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Top post vs Bottom post Message-ID: <1083546865.3863.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> If you have been following the thread RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? then examine various replies. Top posters tend to hit the reply button and just add their comments resulting in long posts. Bottom posters are more likely to snip and comment only on the areas addressed by them resulting in shorter posts. Touche' -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From julius at turtle.com Mon May 3 02:09:55 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <20040502172448.RLZP5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 May 2004, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > I guess the real difference is that my choice to use Linux or Windows (or > whatever) is not a philosophical decision - it is a practical one. I use > what suits me best at the time and I really don't care what the popular > opinion is. You are free to make your own choice regardless of the reasons > behind it - just stop with the attitude that because I made a choice > contrary to yours, I must of somehow been duped. > Yancey, here I was, thinking that this thread was already beaten to death, but you've managed to rescue it. Allow me to explain: a "practical" decision without "philosophical" underpinnigs at best constitutes intellectual laziness, at worst, antisocial behavior. Refusal to see the connection between one's actions and the world at large is very convenient, even comfortable, cognitive disconnect not-withstanding. I've seen today a "get out of Iraq' bumper sticker, on a Hummer. julius From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 02:31:25 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 21:31:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <200405021955.i42JtF99008694@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200405021955.i42JtF99008694@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1083551485.12269.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 14:54, Jason Neiffer wrote: > What if you like the closed source/Windows version of something better? I > use Outlook 2003 for email because I like it more. Some choices have a side effect of taking away all the others and some don't. The underlying difference is that programs that use standard communication protocols and/or well known file formats allow choices, while proprietary formats lock you into a single vendor until you are willing to change everything at once or lose some data. If you are running outlook email over POP/IMAP/SMTP you can switch programs at any time and use the same server simultaneously with different free or commercial clients. > But, I still use Outlook and for that matter, the software > that came with my old Palm Pilot which plugs nicely into > Outlook. A Palm device will sync nicely with Mac/isync, evolution and some other things. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 3 03:36:36 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 23:36:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <20040502204435.XMGM21085.smtp1.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040502204435.XMGM21085.smtp1.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <4095BE44.2020709@cmosnetworks.com> And there in lies a philosophical contradiction. It was "free as in beer" in your specific case and those others that happened to attend that same meeting. Six years ago, I got several components of BackOffice 4.5 by attending a TechNet meeting in Las Vegas. At the time, I thought, wow, this is great! Outlook 98 is great! Exchange Server 5.x is terrific! At the time, I was a MCSE who loved Windows NT and was trying to convert as many people to it from Novell NetWare as I could. It was easy to not think of the economics because, of course, for me it was free as in beer. Then I met GNU/Linux. Richard Stallman speaks of the importance of using software that is "Free as in Freedom," and if there is a "deficiency", it should be worked on as soon as possible. He, and many others, have shown us how to do that, by example. Eric Harrison and Jim McQ are doing it as well. Their efforts are benefiting us hugely today. The fact that Red Hat Linux / Fedora can be tweaked into a distribution called K12LTSP is due to the software being Free. If you want to use Outlook, personally, I have no problem with that. However, the more people choose to use Free Software and report any "deficiencies" back to the developers, the better the software will become. OpenOffice.org build 641c was not quite as capable as Microsoft Office 2000 or XP, so I helped by using it and reporting issues that I'd find, and now OpenOffice.org 1.1 is one heck of an office suite as a result of folks like me doing this. Back when I worked for Microsoft, we constantly heard about the need to "eat our own dog food," even if someone else's product did the job better at that time. Why? So we could report issues back to the dev teams. That's why we were constantly asked during 1995 and 1996 to eschew using Netscape Navigator, which we had used for years, and start using the beta versions of IE. Same for Windows 95; most of us were using Windows 95 back in January 1995, on our production boxes, eight months before its release to the public. Microsoft to this day, for example, routinely runs beta server software on their production network and gets feedback from the employees to make it better. Same for client platforms and apps. I believe that it behooves us to take a page from the Microsoft Corporation in this regard. We eat our own dog food, as they do, and we too will see the benefits in improvements to Free Software. This is why at work I use Ximian Evolution with the MS Exchange Connector. Sure, I could use Outlook and things would work fine. Currently, the Exchange Connector (admittedly, not Free Software) for Evolution, I find, has a few stability issues. However, it allows me to use a Free mail client at work (Evolution), for which I can provide feedback to Ximian, and I do. --TP Yancey B. Jones wrote: >Sorry, I did not mean to imply that there was no solution to sync a PDA with >Linux. That was poor wording on my part. I like Outlook 2003 and I simply >added the syncing ability as another reason that I like Outlook - not as the >only reason I use it. I was also not making a complaint, just adding that >there are those of us who use Outlook by choice. I did not mean to imply >that "that one WISHED to use Linux, but could not, due to its deficiencies". >I apologize for the confusion. > >On a side note, had I had to purchase my Office 2003, then perhaps I would >be using something different. No, I did not steal it - I got a "free" copy >by going to a Microsoft TS2 seminar. I got Small Business Server 2003 >Premium for "free" that way as well. I probably would not like Outlook as >much if I would have had to pay $400+ for it. > >-Yancey > > From adfour at mtaonline.net Mon May 3 04:09:14 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew Fournier) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 20:09:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083529555.15632.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040502172448.RLZP5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> <1083529555.15632.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1083557354.6252.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Yeah, I just bought one for 100 bucks on ebay---the idea is to use it for forwarding x over ssh, simulating something much more powerful :)n\ Sun, 2004-05-02 at 12:25, troy banther wrote: > Heck. I am just trying to locate an older and used laptop to put Fedora > Linux onto. > > Troy From ybjones at one.net Mon May 3 05:54:58 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 01:54:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040503055042.RBSA5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> > here I was, thinking that this thread was already > beaten to death, but you've managed to rescue it. Allow me to > explain: a "practical" > decision without "philosophical" underpinnigs at best > constitutes intellectual laziness, at worst, antisocial > behavior. Refusal to see the connection between one's actions > and the world at large is very convenient, even comfortable, > cognitive disconnect not-withstanding. I've seen today a "get > out of Iraq' bumper sticker, on a Hummer. I am sorry that you feel that way. Did you really need to resort to insults to try and prove a point? Or does your open mind simply close to the fact that there are other choices out there beyond open source software? You may view Microsoft as Satan incarnate, but I don't. And by golly, my intelectually lazy mind just can't wrap itself around the idea that my decision to use Outlook constitutes anything more than me exercising my right to choose. -Yancey From troybanther at plateautel.net Mon May 3 10:51:31 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 04:51:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <4095BE44.2020709@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20040502204435.XMGM21085.smtp1.fuse.net@malachi> <4095BE44.2020709@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1083581491.18573.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> This may all be some form of operating system "cognitive" dissonance. I prefer Ximian over the "other platform" version. It has yet to fail or error out. Troy -- troy banther - fedora core linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon May 3 12:19:01 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 08:19:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XP Client Authentication woes Message-ID: I have a lab that is on a windows 2000 domain called spdc-ctrl. In SME I told the box to be a domain controller and gave it a workgroup name of SPDC-CTRL. The clietns error out with no domain controller available. We "disconnect" all of the 2000 servers when using the "linux" setup (the servers are on a sperate switch and we just disconnect all the clients and plug them in to the linux server switch) Any ideas? Could the XP machines be caching info? Could I be missing a checkbox on SME? Joe Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon May 3 12:23:36 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 08:23:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Not a M$ fan at all but check this out..... Message-ID: Ok folks, I am by no means a fan of M$. In fact, I used to be a M$ diehard, until I starting working for a school system and had to deal with them on a more personal level (hang me!) Anyway, for those of you that NEED to run Windows based software on a more stable platform (had to get that dig in there) there is something for you on the horizon. Check these links out. http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/story/33519.html http://www.specopslabs.com/david.htm No penguins were harmed in the production of this e-mail. Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 12:45:45 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 07:45:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <20040503055042.RBSA5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040503055042.RBSA5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <1083588345.13834.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 00:54, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > And by golly, my > intelectually lazy mind just can't wrap itself around the idea that my > decision to use Outlook constitutes anything more than me exercising my > right to choose. Somewhere much earlier in the conversation I got the impression that using Outlook wasn't a choice you made on the virtures of its feature set but was a requirement to interoperate with another device, one with software from the same vendor that is intentionally designed not to work with anything else. And of course if you have to run Outlook you most likely also have to run the operating system by the same vendor on your PC. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sylvain.phelippeaux at wanadoo.fr Mon May 3 12:52:39 2004 From: sylvain.phelippeaux at wanadoo.fr (Sylvain Phelippeaux - Wanadoo -) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:52:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] troubles with openoffice over 8 clients Message-ID: <40964097.70502@wanadoo.fr> Hi, my server : Athlon XP 2400 + RAM 1024 + Nforce2 + 2 LAN card (realtek et linksys) my clients (8) : Dell P166 with RAM 64, integrated LAN + integrated video my LAN : Switch 100 mbs + all certified cables But : my clients can't use properly Openoffice because, when they try to use the horizontal bar, it's really slow... What is the solution ? - Do I change the video cards (server+clients) and put the same for both ? - more RAM (on server ? on clients ?...) - else...? I appreciate your help... a French beginner.... From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 13:00:33 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 08:00:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] XP Client Authentication woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083589233.14040.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 07:19, Joe Faletra wrote: > I have a lab that is on a windows 2000 domain called spdc-ctrl. In SME > I told the box to be a domain controller and gave it a workgroup name > of SPDC-CTRL. > > The clietns error out with no domain controller available. We > "disconnect" all of the 2000 servers when using the "linux" setup (the > servers are on a sperate switch and we just disconnect all the clients > and plug them in to the linux server switch) > > Any ideas? Could the XP machines be caching info? Could I be missing > a checkbox on SME? > You need a registry change on XP clients to work with samba as their domain controller. http://www.ccs.uky.edu/docs/samba.htm --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From julius at turtle.com Mon May 3 13:33:55 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <20040503055042.RBSA5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 May 2004, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > here I was, thinking that this thread was already > > beaten to death, but you've managed to rescue it. Allow me to > > explain: a "practical" > > decision without "philosophical" underpinnigs at best > > constitutes intellectual laziness, at worst, antisocial > > behavior. Refusal to see the connection between one's actions > > and the world at large is very convenient, even comfortable, > > cognitive disconnect not-withstanding. I've seen today a "get > > out of Iraq' bumper sticker, on a Hummer. > > > I am sorry that you feel that way. Did you really need to resort to insults > to try and prove a point? Or does your open mind simply close to the fact > that there are other choices out there beyond open source software? You may > view Microsoft as Satan incarnate, but I don't. And by golly, my > intelectually lazy mind just can't wrap itself around the idea that my > decision to use Outlook constitutes anything more than me exercising my > right to choose. > > Yancey, I am truly very sorry that you feel offended - this was *not* my intention. I am at a loss here - where did I "resort to insults"? As to choice and open source software - I run the business system on HP-UX - very much not free and my absolute favorite operating system is IBM's VM, also not exactly free, but it seems that 40 years of development didn't doom it. julius From julius at turtle.com Mon May 3 13:36:28 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083581491.18573.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 May 2004, troy banther wrote: > This may all be some form of operating system "cognitive" dissonance. I > prefer Ximian over the "other platform" version. > > It has yet to fail or error out. > Troy, you lucky dog, you! Ximian carshes and burns for me gloriously and often. julius From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 3 14:02:39 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:02:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Top post vs Bottom post In-Reply-To: <1083546865.3863.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <008401c43117$4ef20830$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > Top posters tend to hit the > reply button and just add their comments resulting in long > posts. > Bottom posters are more likely to snip and comment > only on the areas addressed by them resulting in shorter It looks to me that you are implying that no message on the list should ever be replied too. That all messages should be created new, and the [SNIP] cut and pasted into this new message, then the snip noted as such and all lines of the snip manually denoted with a special character, then the relevant reply posted beneath. Is this correct? If so, wow! Maybe I don't have time to post anymore :-) Just hitting reply and typing my 2 cents is a lot more efficient to my schedule and makes it easier to quickly respond during other tasks. I will try to follow suit and post as requested, but understand that if we want a larger community of involved posters, less rules means more interaction. I sure don't want to miss out on some key advice because someone doesn't have time to properly post. Heck, just think of where this list would be if we made Chuck L. complete sentences and have correct punctuation (Sorry Chuck :-) Not that he can't, but he is probably very busy and a quick incomplete sentence gets his point across and helps us, while not impeding too much of his day. I appreciate the knowledge of good ettiquette, but don't let it kill the free posting to the list. From ybjones at one.net Mon May 3 14:34:51 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:34:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040503143034.IGYW5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> > > > here I was, thinking that this thread was already > beaten to death, > > > but you've managed to rescue it. Allow me to > > > explain: a "practical" > > > decision without "philosophical" underpinnigs at best constitutes > > > intellectual laziness, at worst, antisocial behavior. > Refusal to see > I am truly very sorry that you feel offended - this was > *not* my intention. I am at a loss here - where did I "resort > to insults"? Perhaps I misread but the comment - "a 'practical' decision without 'philosophical' underpinnigs (sic) at best constitutes intellectual laziness, at worst, antisocial behavior" - looked like a directed insult. If I misread, then I truly apologize. I should know better than to read a potentially explosive topic while already in a bad mood (issues with a Promise RAID controller has me pulling my hair out). -Yancey From accessys at smart.net Mon May 3 14:56:36 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: <1083557354.6252.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040502172448.RLZP5923.smtp2.fuse.net@malachi> <1083529555.15632.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1083557354.6252.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 May 2004, Andrew Fournier wrote: couple years ago I picked up an IBM thinkpad real cheap because it had a corrupted M$ OS that no one could get to work right....of course I wiped the hard drive and loaded red hat and it loaded and ran like the thinkpad was made for Linux (maybe it was) in any case I can find no fault with the way Red Hat at least runs on the thinkpad, have never loaded anyother OS on it and have traveled the country and never found a need to do something the Thinkpad couldn't handle. Bob > Yeah, I just bought one for 100 bucks on ebay---the idea is to use it > for forwarding x over ssh, simulating something much more powerful :)n\ > > Sun, 2004-05-02 at 12:25, troy banther wrote: > > Heck. I am just trying to locate an older and used laptop to put Fedora > > Linux onto. > > > > Troy > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 15:22:46 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 10:22:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Top post vs Bottom post In-Reply-To: <008401c43117$4ef20830$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <008401c43117$4ef20830$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083597766.18035.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 09:02, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Bottom posters are more likely to snip and comment > > only on the areas addressed by them resulting in shorter > > It looks to me that you are implying that no message on the list should > ever be replied too. That all messages should be created new, and the > [SNIP] cut and pasted into this new message, then the snip noted as such > and all lines of the snip manually denoted with a special character, > then the relevant reply posted beneath. > > Is this correct? No, if you are staying on-topic with an earlier message you should always start by replying to it in your email program. This will generate a normally-hidden In-Reply-To: mail header with the message-id of the previous one. Many mailers know how to display messages in 'threaded' order so anyone on the list can reconstruct the conversation if they want. Likewise for the list archives so even if you delete your older messages from the list you can still find the rest of the conversation if you are so inclined. > If so, wow! Maybe I don't have time to post anymore > :-) Just hitting reply and typing my 2 cents is a lot more efficient to > my schedule and makes it easier to quickly respond during other tasks. > I will try to follow suit and post as requested, but understand that if > we want a larger community of involved posters, less rules means more > interaction. You just have to consider the scale of the list when you do this and the fact that it will be archived publically for years. When you send email to one or a few recipients it may not be worth the trouble to tidy it up. However, when there may be thousands of people who download and read it, it becomes a matter of politeness to trim the irrelevant bits and arrange it so your response makes sense in context even if this is the only message that someone reads. This list may not be that big yet but it is not unusual - the internet is a big place. > I appreciate the knowledge of good ettiquette, but don't let it kill the > free posting to the list. > Agreed, I don't think anyone would go so far as to say you shouldn't post either a question or an answer any way you can, but mailing lists have been around many years and have developed their style for very practical reasons. The more convenient you can make it for the reader, the more value you add to the list and the more it will attract others who will be helpful in the future. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From henryhartley at westat.com Mon May 3 15:28:57 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 11:28:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tutorial for SodiPodi Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B148@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sudev Barar [mailto:sudev at mantraonline.com] >> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 12:10 AM >> >> For anyone who is looking for a tutorial on SodiPodi - a likely >> replacement for Adobe Illustrator(?) - look at >> http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=fileDownload&mI d=0&dId=31 >> A more comprehensive Tutorial has been made by our LUG member but >> link is not working. ANy one interested can off list me for a >> hefty 8mb .tgz file. That link seems to be broken as is the link to the document found here: http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=downloads&mId=0 The link to the tgz version seems to work, although I didn't actually download the file. http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=fileDownload&mI d=0&dId=33 Just thought you'd want to know. Also, for the sake of completeness, there was a fork of the sodipodi code back in October 2003 and the formation of Inkscape (www.inkscape.org). I'm not recommending one over the other. It is something that I've been meaning to look into but haven't gotten around to it. Anyone with information on the direction these two packages are taking should feel free to comment. Note that neither is in the first Fedora Core. Haven't checked to see if they were added to FC2 but I don't think so. -- Henry Hartley From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 3 15:54:36 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:54:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO Message-ID: <009401c43126$f213d200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I have downloaded "smeserver-6.01-01custom.iso" modified 4/30/04 from the link in an email from about a week ago. I installed it on a test box without a hitch and everyting is up and running. But I do not see where to access any settings for Clam-AV or Spam Assassin. Are there any settings for these tools? Is there a way I can check to be sure they are available? My goal is to have a clean email server with a nice gui end to it for troubleshooting. I need to have pop/smtp, webmail, antivirus, and SpamAssassin. This looks like it will suffice for all if I can get the AV and Spam stuff verified. Do I need to go command line on the box for this stuff? From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 3 16:25:23 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 12:25:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <009401c43126$f213d200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <009401c43126$f213d200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: No....SpamAssassin and ClamAV are not installed by default.....you need to go to the "other RPM's" directory and install them. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I have downloaded "smeserver-6.01-01custom.iso" modified 4/30/04 from >the link in an email from about a week ago. I installed it on a test >box without a hitch and everyting is up and running. But I do not see >where to access any settings for Clam-AV or Spam Assassin. Are there >any settings for these tools? Is there a way I can check to be sure >they are available? My goal is to have a clean email server with a nice >gui end to it for troubleshooting. I need to have pop/smtp, webmail, >antivirus, and SpamAssassin. This looks like it will suffice for all if >I can get the AV and Spam stuff verified. > >Do I need to go command line on the box for this stuff? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 3 16:34:15 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 11:34:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009601c4312c$7c3fbb10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [Snip] > No....SpamAssassin and ClamAV are not installed by > default.....you need to go to the "other RPM's" directory and > install them. Based off of the following from a previous post: >"Go to www.contribs.org and search the forums for SME 6.01 Custom >ISO....basically some folks have taken and integrated Spamassassin and >ClamAV into SME server.....I've tried it and it works fantastic!" I had assumed that these options were already integrated in the Custom ISO. I found this site: http://sme.swerts-knudsen.dk/index.html?frame=http%3A//sme.swerts-knudse n.dk/howtos/howto_16.htm >From another forum from a google search and was going to try his script, but I don't know how to get to a command line on one of these boxes, do I have to ssh to it? You seem to know a lot about running SME, could you just give me a quick basic step by step on how to get this thing working for the previously stated tasks? I would be forever greatful. If I don't get this figured out within the next month or so and get comfortable with it, I will end up spending $4000 or so on Alt-N's Mdaemon, I hope this saves me the money. From troybanther at plateautel.net Mon May 3 17:17:40 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troybanther) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 11:17:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? Message-ID: <111020-22004513171740500@plateautel.net> Hehe. >> And by golly, my intelectually lazy mind >> just can't wrap itself around the idea that >> my decision to use Outlook constitutes >> anything more than me exercising my right >> to choose. The decision to use the "other platform" PIM client is generally mandated by closed shops and not a choice but rather a "purchase" "for permission to use", hence a costly license, of closed source code. Intellectual Choice. Yeah. Okay. ;) Troy goes back to playing with his locally-grown peanuts From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 3 17:21:07 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 12:21:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a301c43133$08337660$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [Snip] > No....SpamAssassin and ClamAV are not installed by > default.....you need to go to the "other RPM's" directory and > install them. I can't find where the "other RPM's" directory is. The only way I see to update the box is through the "Update System" option in the left nav of the server manager. Also I can receive email and send email to the local domain, but I get this error when trying to send outside the local domain: The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'jim at winonacotter.org'. Subject 'test', Account: 'mail.readysetschool.org', Server: 'mail.readysetschool.org', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '553 Sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts.', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 553, Error Number: 0x800CCC79 Where do I access the allowed rcpthosts file? Did I just plain download the wrong ISO, this sounded so out-of-the-box before. Thanks From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 17:24:33 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 12:24:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <009601c4312c$7c3fbb10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <009601c4312c$7c3fbb10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083605073.19704.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 11:34, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > http://sme.swerts-knudsen.dk/index.html?frame=http%3A//sme.swerts-knudse > n.dk/howtos/howto_16.htm > >From another forum from a google search and was going to try his script, > but I don't know how to get to a command line on one of these boxes, do > I have to ssh to it? SMEserver has virtual consoles enabled, so alt-f2 will get you another screen where you can log in as root. The root and admin logins use the same password but if you log in as root you get a # prompt and if you log in as admin you get the text-mode menu. The same is true for ssh logins, plus if you log in as root and temporarily want the menu you can 'su - admin' and when you exit you'll drop back to root. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ckuntzman at taylorvilleschools.com Mon May 3 17:28:13 2004 From: ckuntzman at taylorvilleschools.com (Chris Kuntzman) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 12:28:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO Message-ID: check out http://www.tech-geeks.org Lots of great SME Server info. >>> jim at winonacotter.org 5/3/2004 10:54:36 AM >>> I have downloaded "smeserver-6.01-01custom.iso" modified 4/30/04 from the link in an email from about a week ago. I installed it on a test box without a hitch and everyting is up and running. But I do not see where to access any settings for Clam-AV or Spam Assassin. Are there any settings for these tools? Is there a way I can check to be sure they are available? My goal is to have a clean email server with a nice gui end to it for troubleshooting. I need to have pop/smtp, webmail, antivirus, and SpamAssassin. This looks like it will suffice for all if I can get the AV and Spam stuff verified. Do I need to go command line on the box for this stuff? _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 17:33:07 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 12:33:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <00a301c43133$08337660$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00a301c43133$08337660$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083605587.19704.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 12:21, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Also I can receive email and send email to the local domain, but I get > this error when trying to send outside the local domain: > > The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected > by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'jim at winonacotter.org'. > Subject 'test', Account: 'mail.readysetschool.org', Server: > 'mail.readysetschool.org', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '553 Sorry, > that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts.', Port: 25, > Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 553, Error Number: 0x800CCC79 > > Where do I access the allowed rcpthosts file? Did I just plain download > the wrong ISO, this sounded so out-of-the-box before. I haven't done much with the 6.x version yet but with the earlier versions you had to add all the subnets that were allowed to send outbound email to the 'local networks' list in the server-manager screen. The typical SME setup has the clients on the 'inside' interface which is already considered local but if you have anything more complicated you have to add them. The error message sounds odd, but any host is allowed to send mail to your domain while only the known addresses are allowed to send out. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 17:43:31 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 12:43:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Evolution calendar sounds? Message-ID: <1083606211.19704.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> This may be the wrong place to ask but at least there should be some people using the same evolution version (from k12ltsp4.0.1). Is there a way to make the meeting/appointment/reminder popups have a sound by default? I know you can set sounds individually when you create each one, but I want them to be on by default when you accept meeting requests, etc. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Mon May 3 17:41:09 2004 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: Re: K12LTSP boot problem] Message-ID: <32899.200.145.158.170.1083606069.squirrel@riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us> >On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 15:36, Oscar Erbetta wrote: > > dear Paul: I liked the idea of thin clients to fedora, so yesterday I >have > > downloaded and installed the K12LTSP-4.0.1 (4) isos in a fresh machine, >with > > only an eth0 (192.168.53.254 - no internet access), with no problem. everything worked fine. > > > > I'm using a DELL Latitude, with pxe boot as the only client (for now), >but > > after a the initial loading process, the boot displays "could not find kernel image". Oscar, I'm going to forward this to the K12OSN group so we can all see how to troubleshoot something like this. 1. The client get's an ip address. 2. It does not get a kernel 3. The /etc/dhcpd.conf file is the default K12LTSP file. 4. The ip address of the server is 192.168.0.254 5. The line in dhcpd.conf is: option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 6. The files needed in /opt/ltsp/i386 really are there. 7. /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg exists and is default. NFS is running "service nfs status" 8. /etc/exports file is default/opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) So if all this is true, why won't the client boot? What did we miss? ;-) Paul From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 18:24:27 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 13:24:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: Re: K12LTSP boot problem] In-Reply-To: <32899.200.145.158.170.1083606069.squirrel@riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <32899.200.145.158.170.1083606069.squirrel@riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1083608667.24403.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 12:41, pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us wrote: > 8. /etc/exports file is default/opt/ltsp/i386 > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) > > So if all this is true, why won't the client boot? What did we miss? > First guess: the PXE boot code doesn't work. Have you tried an etherboot floppy? Dell is very good about keeping support updates on-line forever so you can probably find a flash bios update if that is the problem (and I've seen it on old Optiplex GX1's). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Mon May 3 18:42:12 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 13:42:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd leases file Message-ID: <40969284.8090003@maltzen.net> On k12lstp 3.1.2, I've noticed that if I hardcode a client's settings by specifying its hardware address in /etc/dhcpd.conf, it no longer shows up in the /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases file. Is this normal? Surely it must have a leases file somewhere for these kinds of clients? Petre From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Mon May 3 18:47:22 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: 03 May 2004 14:47:22 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] troubles with openoffice over 8 clients In-Reply-To: <40964097.70502@wanadoo.fr> References: <40964097.70502@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <1083610041.5258.101.camel@L143nb01> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 08:52, Sylvain Phelippeaux - Wanadoo - wrote: > my server : Athlon XP 2400 + RAM 1024 + Nforce2 + 2 LAN card (realtek et > linksys) > my clients (8) : Dell P166 with RAM 64, integrated LAN + integrated video > my LAN : Switch 100 mbs + all certified cables > > But : my clients can't use properly Openoffice because, when they try to > use the horizontal bar, it's really slow... > > What is the solution ? From the information you provide I would guess that the issue is not enough ram...but you could give us more information by running vmstats from a prompt (try man vmstat for details, but a command of vmstats 20 180 > vmstats_results.txt would run vmstats and output every 20 seconds for 180 times or one hour and output the results to a file vmstats_results.txt. The file would be in the directory you were in when you ran vmstats....and could be emailed to me or made available on a website for others to view (sending files to the list is generally frowned upon.) -- Thanks, John Hansknecht One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 3 18:55:23 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 13:55:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <1083605587.19704.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <00cc01c43140$339de3f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [Snip] > I haven't done much with the 6.x version yet but with the > earlier versions you had to add all the subnets that were > allowed to send outbound email to the 'local networks' list > in the server-manager screen. The typical SME setup has the > clients on the 'inside' interface which is already considered > local but if you have anything more complicated you have to > add them. The default was Network 10.6.0.0 Subnet Mask 255.255.0.0 And my IP is 10.6.27.27 that I am trying to send from. It looks almost like it is comparing to a list of allowed domains to send to. I can receive mail from anywhere, but can't send to anything but the local domain. I am not using this box as a gateway and only have one NIC installed. From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Mon May 3 18:59:52 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 11:59:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd leases file In-Reply-To: <40969284.8090003@maltzen.net> References: <40969284.8090003@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <409696A8.30407@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > On k12lstp 3.1.2, I've noticed that if I hardcode a client's settings > by specifying its hardware address in /etc/dhcpd.conf, it no longer > shows up in the /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases file. Is this normal? > Surely it must have a leases file somewhere for these kinds of clients? I'm not running my dhcpd on an ltsp box, but this does in fact appear to be normal - none of my fixed-address entries show up in dhcpd.leases either. I'm running dhcp-2.0p15 built from source. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 19:04:43 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:04:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <00cc01c43140$339de3f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00cc01c43140$339de3f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083611082.24603.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 13:55, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > The default was > Network 10.6.0.0 Subnet Mask 255.255.0.0 > And my IP is 10.6.27.27 that I am trying to send from. > > It looks almost like it is comparing to a list of allowed domains to > send to. I can receive mail from anywhere, but can't send to anything > but the local domain. I am not using this box as a gateway and only > have one NIC installed. The 'allowed list' is the domain(s) you configured to accept mail. That would be correct for someone outside sending because you don't want to be an open relay that anyone can use to forward spam. However it isn't identifying your local machines correctly to allow them to send anywhere. Maybe when you only have one interface you have to add everything to the 'local networks' list explicitly. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 3 19:49:50 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 14:49:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <1083611082.24603.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <00cf01c43147$cf0a3c10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > The 'allowed list' is the domain(s) you configured to accept > mail. That would be correct for someone outside sending > because you don't want to be an open relay that anyone can > use to forward spam. However it isn't identifying your local > machines correctly to allow them to send anywhere. Maybe when > you only have one interface you have to add everything to the > 'local networks' list explicitly. I checked the /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts file and it says readysetschool.org and mail.readysetschool.org are able to send. I am sending from the account jim at readysetschool.org when I get the error. I agree the setup but don't get why this is canning me. I will keep digging. Thanks From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon May 3 19:57:16 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 14:57:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd leases file In-Reply-To: <40969284.8090003@maltzen.net> Message-ID: If you assign IP, there won't be a 'lease' for it since it is static (assigned). DS On Mon, 3 May 2004, Petre Scheie wrote: > On k12lstp 3.1.2, I've noticed that if I hardcode a client's settings by > specifying its hardware address in /etc/dhcpd.conf, it no longer shows up in the > /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases file. Is this normal? Surely it must have a leases > file somewhere for these kinds of clients? > > Petre > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 19:58:41 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:58:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <00cf01c43147$cf0a3c10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00cf01c43147$cf0a3c10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083614321.24603.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 14:49, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > The 'allowed list' is the domain(s) you configured to accept > > mail. That would be correct for someone outside sending > > because you don't want to be an open relay that anyone can > > use to forward spam. However it isn't identifying your local > > machines correctly to allow them to send anywhere. Maybe when > > you only have one interface you have to add everything to the > > 'local networks' list explicitly. > > I checked the /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts file and it says > readysetschool.org and mail.readysetschool.org are able to send. I am > sending from the account jim at readysetschool.org when I get the error. I > agree the setup but don't get why this is canning me. I will keep > digging. Those are the domains that anyone can send to. When you send to an address that is not in the list it will check to see if the sender is local - that's the part that is failing. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 3 20:03:49 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:03:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <00cf01c43147$cf0a3c10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <00d601c43149$c339b850$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > I checked the /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts file and it says > readysetschool.org and mail.readysetschool.org are able to > send. I am sending from the account jim at readysetschool.org > when I get the error. I agree the setup but don't get why > this is canning me. I will keep digging. I just checked and I can send to other domains from webmail, just not with a client. From button at gti.net Mon May 3 20:05:00 2004 From: button at gti.net (Daniel Button) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 16:05:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <20040503182548.DDB04746A0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040503182548.DDB04746A0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1083614699.3404.4.camel@brendam> Paul, I just was playing with this a couple of weeks ago. Unfortunately, I am not near my system to give all the particulars. I found that I needed to add a couple of lines in the /etc/dhcpd.conf to make sure that pxe could function properly. I also had to make sure that the pxe script was starting up correctly. Check that the dhcpd.conf has entries in it to allow for booting. Make sure that /etc/pxe/pxe.conf is looking like it will work in your environment. I hope this points you in the right direction. I am sorry that I can not give you more details. Dan On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 14:25, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:41:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us > Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: Re: K12LTSP boot problem] > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <32899.200.145.158.170.1083606069.squirrel at riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > >On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 15:36, Oscar Erbetta wrote: > > > dear Paul: I liked the idea of thin clients to fedora, so yesterday I > >have > > > downloaded and installed the K12LTSP-4.0.1 (4) isos in a fresh machine, > >with > > > only an eth0 (192.168.53.254 - no internet access), with no problem. > everything worked fine. > > > > > > I'm using a DELL Latitude, with pxe boot as the only client (for now), > >but > > > after a the initial loading process, the boot displays "could not find > kernel image". > > > Oscar, I'm going to forward this to the K12OSN group so we can all see how > to troubleshoot something like this. > > 1. The client get's an ip address. > > 2. It does not get a kernel > > 3. The /etc/dhcpd.conf file is the default K12LTSP file. > > 4. The ip address of the server is 192.168.0.254 > > 5. The line in dhcpd.conf is: > > option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > > 6. The files needed in /opt/ltsp/i386 really are there. > > 7. /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg exists and is default. > > NFS is running "service nfs status" > > 8. /etc/exports file is default/opt/ltsp/i386 > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) > > So if all this is true, why won't the client boot? What did we miss? > > ;-) Paul > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 13:24:27 -0500 > From: Les Mikesell > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] [Fwd: Re: K12LTSP boot problem] > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1083608667.24403.3.camel at moola.futuresource.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 12:41, pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us wrote: > > > 8. /etc/exports file is default/opt/ltsp/i386 > > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) > > > > So if all this is true, why won't the client boot? What did we miss? > > > > First guess: the PXE boot code doesn't work. Have you tried an > etherboot floppy? Dell is very good about keeping support > updates on-line forever so you can probably find a flash bios > update if that is the problem (and I've seen it on old > Optiplex GX1's). > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 8 > ************************************ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 21:24:20 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 16:24:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <00d601c43149$c339b850$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00d601c43149$c339b850$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083619460.29343.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 15:03, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I checked the /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts file and it says > > readysetschool.org and mail.readysetschool.org are able to > > send. I am sending from the account jim at readysetschool.org > > when I get the error. I agree the setup but don't get why > > this is canning me. I will keep digging. > > I just checked and I can send to other domains from webmail, just not > with a client. Webmail probably uses the loopback interface when sending. What do you have in your list of local networks in the server-manager screen? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tbrown at michiana.org Mon May 3 21:55:51 2004 From: tbrown at michiana.org (Tom Brown) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 16:55:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME comm problem Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> Since we are discussing SME, can I get help with a serial modem problem? I have two test boxes, both Pentium 2 vintage. I've installed SME 5.0, 5.6 and 6.0.1, and none of them will recognize an external serial modem. I have tested with two known good modem (Sportster and Zoom) and cable sets. I currently have the Sportster installed. I use minicom to test the line. Never do the modem LEDs change from CS to any other condition. Here are the message log errors. They are the same in every case and repeat until I stop or restart diald. May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: Calling site 0.0.0.0 May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: failed to get initial modem terminal attributes: Input/output error May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: could not get initial terminal attributes: Input/output error May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: failed to set terminal attributes: Input/output error May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: could not get initial terminal attributes: Input/output error May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: failed to set terminal attributes: Input/output error Tom From les at futuresource.com Mon May 3 22:28:17 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 17:28:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME comm problem In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> Message-ID: <1083623297.30854.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 16:55, Tom Brown wrote: > Since we are discussing SME, can I get help with a serial modem problem? > > I have two test boxes, both Pentium 2 vintage. I've installed SME 5.0, 5.6 > and 6.0.1, and none of them will recognize an external serial modem. I have > tested with two known good modem (Sportster and Zoom) and cable sets. I > currently have the Sportster installed. I use minicom to test the line. > Never do the modem LEDs change from CS to any other condition. You aren't getting as far as talking to the modem. When you open the line with minicom, kermit, the dialer, or whatever, the modem's TR (or DTR) led should come on. Are you sure the serial port is enabled in bios and that the kernel finds it? If you do: dmesg |less and look for the Serial driver initialization, does it mention ttyS00 and an interrupt it will use? Is that the device you are using? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon May 3 22:44:34 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 08:44:34 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? Message-ID: Access Systems wrote: >> couple years ago I picked up an IBM thinkpad real cheap because it had a corrupted M$ OS that no one could get to work right. << Just FYI: IBM sells reconditioned second-hand Thinkpads on their web site - not really cheap, but they are cleaned up, fitted with a new battery (which ain't cheap), tested, etc. I'm on my third Thinkpad and swear by them; RH9 installed very smoothly on my T22. Disclaimer: IBM is my biggest client so I don't look very hard at alternatives - although they never batted an eyelid when I used to march into IBM offices with an Acer laptop. . . See http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/HelpDisplay?catalogId=-840&langId=-1&storeId=1&subject=2576394 Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From dean at mumby.co.za Mon May 3 22:51:57 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 00:51:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] SME comm problem In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> Message-ID: <4096CD0D.6030709@mumby.co.za> Tom Brown wrote: > Since we are discussing SME, can I get help with a serial modem problem? > > I have two test boxes, both Pentium 2 vintage. I've installed SME 5.0, > 5.6 and 6.0.1, and none of them will recognize an external serial > modem. I have tested with two known good modem (Sportster and Zoom) > and cable sets. I currently have the Sportster installed. I use > minicom to test the line. Never do the modem LEDs change from CS to > any other condition. > > Here are the message log errors. They are the same in every case and > repeat until I stop or restart diald. > > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: Calling site 0.0.0.0 > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: failed to get initial modem > terminal attributes: Input/output error > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: could not get initial terminal > attributes: Input/output error > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: failed to set terminal attributes: > Input/output error > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: could not get initial terminal > attributes: Input/output error > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: failed to set terminal attributes: > Input/output error > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Try manually setting the com port properties in the bios , dont leave it to auto Dean From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 3 22:56:27 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 18:56:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] troubles with openoffice over 8 clients In-Reply-To: <40964097.70502@wanadoo.fr> References: <40964097.70502@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <4096CE1B.4030103@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Sylvain, Which version of OpenOffice.org are your clients running? --TP Sylvain Phelippeaux - Wanadoo - wrote: > Hi, > > my server : Athlon XP 2400 + RAM 1024 + Nforce2 + 2 LAN card (realtek > et linksys) > my clients (8) : Dell P166 with RAM 64, integrated LAN + integrated video > my LAN : Switch 100 mbs + all certified cables > > But : my clients can't use properly Openoffice because, when they try > to use the horizontal bar, it's really slow... > > What is the solution ? > > - Do I change the video cards (server+clients) and put the same for > both ? > - more RAM (on server ? on clients ?...) > - else...? > > I appreciate your help... > > a French beginner.... > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From accessys at smart.net Mon May 3 23:00:59 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 19:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 4 May 2004, Les Bell wrote: > Access Systems wrote: > > couple years ago I picked up an IBM thinkpad real cheap because it had a > corrupted M$ OS that no one could get to work right. > > Just FYI: IBM sells reconditioned second-hand Thinkpads on their web site - > not really cheap, but they are cleaned up, fitted with a new battery (which > ain't cheap), tested, etc. I'm on my third Thinkpad and swear by them; RH9 > installed very smoothly on my T22. Disclaimer: IBM is my biggest client so yeah but they all are sold with a M$ operating system installed....getting a laptop with no OS or anything else installed is the problem Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue May 4 00:43:45 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 06:13:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] SME comm problem In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> Message-ID: <1083631425.3242.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 03:25, Tom Brown wrote: > Here are the message log errors. They are the same in every case and repeat > until I stop or restart diald. > > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: Calling site 0.0.0.0 > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: failed to get initial modem terminal > attributes: Input/output error > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: could not get initial terminal > attributes: Input/output error > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: failed to set terminal attributes: > Input/output error > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: could not get initial terminal > attributes: Input/output error > May 3 10:58:52 server2 diald[671]: failed to set terminal attributes: > Input/output error Try to keep the speed of port to a low figure as 56k some times the speed by default is set to 256k and older hardware fails to negotiate. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue May 4 00:51:28 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 06:21:28 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Top post vs Bottom post In-Reply-To: <008401c43117$4ef20830$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <008401c43117$4ef20830$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083631887.3242.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 19:32, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Is this correct? [SNIP] No. Just hit the reply button and then cut out the areas of text you are not replying to. Like your first para. > If so, wow! Maybe I don't have time to post anymore > :-) Just hitting reply and typing my 2 cents is a lot more efficient to > my schedule and makes it easier to quickly respond during other tasks. [SNIP] On the knees and begging you not to do this. ;-) > I will try to follow suit and post as requested, but understand that if > we want a larger community of involved posters, less rules means more > interaction. I sure don't want to miss out on some key advice because > someone doesn't have time to properly post. Heck, just think of where [SNIP] Spontaneity is not be lost, spells do not matter as long as communication is good. And as Les points out this mail thread is preserved in the archives for many more to follow. > I appreciate the knowledge of good ettiquette, but don't let it kill the > free posting to the list. With you on that. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue May 4 00:56:21 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 06:26:21 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Tutorial for SodiPodi In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B148@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B148@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1083632181.3242.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 20:58, Henry Hartley wrote: > The link to the tgz version seems to work, although I didn't actually > download the file. > http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=fileDownload&mI > d=0&dId=33 Yeah, it now seems .pdf is not working but .tgz is also containing same info. > Also, for the sake of completeness, there was a fork of the sodipodi code > back in October 2003 and the formation of Inkscape (www.inkscape.org). I'm > not recommending one over the other. It is something that I've been meaning >From what discussion we have had on our LUG, people in the graphics filed have been saying they use both! They work on common output file format. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 4 01:28:07 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dog food Message-ID: So far so good with my development builds. I just cut-over our office K12LTSP server this morning. Now all three of the systems I use 99% of the time (home desktop, work desktop, & laptop) are running the K12LTSP 4.1 development branch. -Eric From faengoy at yahoo.com Tue May 4 02:03:50 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 19:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] troubles with openoffice over 8 clients In-Reply-To: <20040504005734.05B497358E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040504020350.94508.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> This is a known problem with OO.o. Menus are called and give an error because of an X library. Unfortunately, this library is called for every single menu entry, which means that menu drawing is slow over a thin client or other exported X session. This bug has been fixed and will be eliminated in the next version of OO.o. I'm sorry that I don't have a link handy or more specific information, but this is just memory from reading /. Dan ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue May 4 02:57:52 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 22:57:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ad-zapping with squid Message-ID: <20040503225752.126d5a44.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> I just recently edited my home firewall following this article on Linux Journal: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7556&mode=thread&order=0 I absolulty (sp?) love it !!! It really speeds up my dial-up connection, and no more 'monkey punching'. I was wondering (1) if anyone has tried this in a production/school environment and (2) if you see any problems - legal, social issues, etc - to applying it to the school firewall? I know that at my school, speed and bandwidth are not really an issue, but just keeping the annoying pop-ups and other crazyness the can side track students while working just may be worth it. As a disclaimer, I am from the school of thought that says students are blasted with ads from so many other places all day long, school should not be one of those places (I HATE the soda/pop machines in the school) From tbrown at michiana.org Tue May 4 03:00:48 2004 From: tbrown at michiana.org (Tom Brown) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 22:00:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME comm problem In-Reply-To: <1083623297.30854.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503213030.00ae5be0@michiana.org> At 05:28 PM 5/3/04 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 16:55, Tom Brown wrote: > > Since we are discussing SME, can I get help with a serial modem problem? > > > > I have two test boxes, both Pentium 2 vintage. I've installed SME 5.0, 5.6 > > and 6.0.1, and none of them will recognize an external serial modem. I > have > > tested with two known good modem (Sportster and Zoom) and cable sets. I > > currently have the Sportster installed. I use minicom to test the line. > > Never do the modem LEDs change from CS to any other condition. > >You aren't getting as far as talking to the modem. When you open >the line with minicom, kermit, the dialer, or whatever, the modem's >TR (or DTR) led should come on. Are you sure the serial port is enabled >in bios and that the kernel finds it? If you do: >dmesg |less >and look for the Serial driver initialization, does it mention ttyS00 >and an interrupt it will use? Is that the device you are using The server is definitely not communicating with the modem. I am using ttyS01 (com2/irq3). I have SME 5.0 loaded at the moment since it has the Mitel modem test utility. The test fails of course. The Award BIOS shows two ports enabled: . serial port 1 - 3F8/irq4 . serial port 2 - 2F8/irq3 dmesg shows: . Serial driver version 4.27 with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled . ttys00 at 0x03F8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A . ttys01 at 0x02F8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A The 16550A UART should run at 115K with no problem, but I have it set lower in Minicom. SME set speed at 115K in /etc/diald.conf. Tom From les at futuresource.com Tue May 4 03:47:17 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 22:47:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME comm problem In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503213030.00ae5be0@michiana.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20040503213030.00ae5be0@michiana.org> Message-ID: <1083642437.15466.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 22:00, Tom Brown wrote: > dmesg shows: > . Serial driver version 4.27 with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled > . ttys00 at 0x03F8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > . ttys01 at 0x02F8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > The 16550A UART should run at 115K with no problem, but I have it set lower > in Minicom. SME set speed at 115K in /etc/diald.conf. That looks right except I thought it should be ttyS0 and ttyS1 but it may be different if you are running a really old kernel. On some versions you used /dev/cua0 to call out, /dev/ttyS0 for logins. Do you get any error when you try to use minicom to access the device? The TR led should come on in any case if you have the right device name. If the comm port connectors aren't directly on the motherboard there is also some chance that the wires go to the wrong headers so try using the 'wrong' device name too. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue May 4 06:07:02 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 02:07:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] troubles with openoffice over 8 clients In-Reply-To: <20040504020350.94508.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040504020350.94508.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40973306.3030400@cmosnetworks.com> That's interesting, because the only time I've seen OO.o react slowly was with beta builds of the recently released 1.1.1. Any way you can try jogging your memory on this one? I myself have yet to see this bug surface. BTW, speaking of OO.o, it was a small step, but this evening, I was able to get one more user using OO.o (1.1), Firefox, and Thunderbird (he used to use IE and MS Office but got tired of repeated spyware). Yes, it was on a Windows XP box, but I figured, take him one step at a time. OO.o opened a complex Excel 2002 spreadsheet of his very nicely, to his surprise and relief. He gets used to this and gets more confidence in it, he may consider a Free operating system next...perhaps GNU/Linux. --TP Dan Bo wrote: >This is a known problem with OO.o. Menus are called >and give an error because of an X library. >Unfortunately, this library is called for every single >menu entry, which means that menu drawing is slow over >a thin client or other exported X session. This bug >has been fixed and will be eliminated in the next >version of OO.o. >I'm sorry that I don't have a link handy or more >specific information, but this is just memory from >reading /. >Dan > > From I.Derks at translucent.nl Tue May 4 07:43:42 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 09:43:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Dog food In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083656621.3558.7.camel@node1f803.a2000.nl> Op di 04-05-2004, om 03:28 schreef Eric Harrison: > So far so good with my development builds. I just cut-over our office > K12LTSP server this morning. Now all three of the systems I use 99% of > the time (home desktop, work desktop, & laptop) are running the K12LTSP > 4.1 development branch. > > -Eric > Cool, I'm really looking forward to the added security features from 4.1. Is it a full X11 session that gets piped through SSH? Great work > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- T R A N S L U C E N T S Y S T E M S -The Linux Engineers From Amsterdam- Tel: +31 [0]20 7760327 Fax: +31 [0]20 7798469 EMail: info at translucent.nl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Open Office Version 1.1.0 (standard version included in K12LTSP 4.01 From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Tue May 4 11:26:06 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: 04 May 2004 07:26:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd leases file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083669966.2111.48.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 15:57, Doug Simpson wrote: > If you assign IP, there won't be a 'lease' for it since it is static > (assigned). > > DS > The only place there will be a record of this type of lease is in the dhcpd log file (usually /var/log/messages if you run the default config). > On Mon, 3 May 2004, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > On k12lstp 3.1.2, I've noticed that if I hardcode a client's settings by > > specifying its hardware address in /etc/dhcpd.conf, it no longer shows up in the > > /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases file. Is this normal? Surely it must have a leases > > file somewhere for these kinds of clients? > > > > Petre > > > > -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. From dalen at czexan.net Tue May 4 12:47:10 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 07:47:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 1PC+4KVM=4users/PC Message-ID: <409790CE.6090003@czexan.net> I noticed this post on the fedora list and thought the k12ltsp folks might find it interesting. I wonder if they use pci video cards or have a special motherboard with multiple agp ports. google cache of HP product page is below. http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:ZRceHQ7y9f0J:h40058.www4.hp.com/products/desktops/441/prod_info.html+hp+441&hl=en -------- Original Message -------- Subject: HP's 441 technology Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 10:16:38 +0200 From: Chadley Wilson Reply-To: For users of Fedora Core releases To: fedora-list Hi there ppl, I read an article in the brainstorm mag where HP has come up with a Linux solution where they are saving money on hardware costs. The 441 is a bit of a scare but obviously do-able. what the 441 is , is a pc with minimum 8 usb and 4 VGA cards. How this works is they use usb keyboards and mice and split the one PC into 4 workstations. Obviously the question is how did they do it, is there a way to set this up with out their fancy hp software using Linux? FC1 in-particular -- Chadley - Linux Rocks Welcome to my world. ****************************************************************** This mail is free for distribution. You are free to - delete it - resend it - use it in anyway that makes you happy. I am not responsible for it or its content due to ignorance. Enjoy the adventures of Linux ******************************************************************* -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list From jam at mcquil.com Tue May 4 13:24:35 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dog food In-Reply-To: <1083656621.3558.7.camel@node1f803.a2000.nl> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 May 2004, Immanuel Derks wrote: > Op di 04-05-2004, om 03:28 schreef Eric Harrison: > > So far so good with my development builds. I just cut-over our office > > K12LTSP server this morning. Now all three of the systems I use 99% of > > the time (home desktop, work desktop, & laptop) are running the K12LTSP > > 4.1 development branch. > > > > -Eric > > > > Cool, I'm really looking forward to the added security features from > 4.1. Is it a full X11 session that gets piped through SSH? Yes, the entire session is tunnelled through ssh, so you get nice encryption AND compression of the X protocol. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From troybanther at plateautel.net Tue May 4 13:32:14 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troybanther) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 07:32:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dog food Message-ID: <279760-22004524133214718@plateautel.net> Sweet! ---- Original Message ---- From: jam at mcquil.com To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Dog food Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:24:35 -0400 (EDT) >On Tue, 4 May 2004, Immanuel Derks wrote: > >> Op di 04-05-2004, om 03:28 schreef Eric Harrison: >> > So far so good with my development builds. I just cut-over our >office >> > K12LTSP server this morning. Now all three of the systems I use >99% of >> > the time (home desktop, work desktop, & laptop) are running the >K12LTSP >> > 4.1 development branch. >> > >> > -Eric >> > >> >> Cool, I'm really looking forward to the added security features >from >> 4.1. Is it a full X11 session that gets piped through SSH? > >Yes, the entire session is tunnelled through ssh, so you get nice >encryption AND compression of the X protocol. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Tue May 4 13:36:15 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 08:36:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd leases file In-Reply-To: <1083669966.2111.48.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <1083669966.2111.48.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <40979C4F.3040502@maltzen.net> Ah, yes, there they are. Thanks. Petre Mike Rambo wrote: > On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 15:57, Doug Simpson wrote: > >>If you assign IP, there won't be a 'lease' for it since it is static >>(assigned). >> >>DS >> > > > The only place there will be a record of this type of lease is in the > dhcpd log file (usually /var/log/messages if you run the default > config). > > >>On Mon, 3 May 2004, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >> >>>On k12lstp 3.1.2, I've noticed that if I hardcode a client's settings by >>>specifying its hardware address in /etc/dhcpd.conf, it no longer shows up in the >>>/var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases file. Is this normal? Surely it must have a leases >>>file somewhere for these kinds of clients? >>> >>>Petre >>> >>> From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 4 13:43:00 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 08:43:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <1083619460.29343.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <002201c431dd$ba3119d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > What do you have in your list of local networks in the > server-manager screen? Network 10.6.0.0 Subnet Mask 255.255.0.0 I am trying to send from 10.6.27.27. I would think the above setting should allow this IP to send. From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Tue May 4 16:13:49 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 16:13:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Dog food In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4097C13D.5030702@shuttleworthfoundation.org> jam at mcquil.com wrote: >On Tue, 4 May 2004, Immanuel Derks wrote: > > > >>Op di 04-05-2004, om 03:28 schreef Eric Harrison: >> >> >>>So far so good with my development builds. I just cut-over our office >>>K12LTSP server this morning. Now all three of the systems I use 99% of >>>the time (home desktop, work desktop, & laptop) are running the K12LTSP >>>4.1 development branch. >>> >>>-Eric >>> >>> >>> >>Cool, I'm really looking forward to the added security features from >>4.1. Is it a full X11 session that gets piped through SSH? >> >> Where can I download 4.1? I only find 4.0.1 on the site. Thanks and regards, Jonathan From jam at mcquil.com Tue May 4 14:11:15 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dog food In-Reply-To: <4097C13D.5030702@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: Jonathon, you can't download it yet. We're not done with it yet. Some of the stuff is in the cvs repository, but most if it isn't yet. That will be happening this weekend, hopefully. our target is to release on May 17th. We should be able to confirm that date by the end of this weekend. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jonathan Carter wrote: > jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > >On Tue, 4 May 2004, Immanuel Derks wrote: > > > > > > > >>Op di 04-05-2004, om 03:28 schreef Eric Harrison: > >> > >> > >>>So far so good with my development builds. I just cut-over our office > >>>K12LTSP server this morning. Now all three of the systems I use 99% of > >>>the time (home desktop, work desktop, & laptop) are running the K12LTSP > >>>4.1 development branch. > >>> > >>>-Eric > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Cool, I'm really looking forward to the added security features from > >>4.1. Is it a full X11 session that gets piped through SSH? > >> > >> > > Where can I download 4.1? I only find 4.0.1 on the site. > > Thanks and regards, > Jonathan > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue May 4 14:46:57 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 09:46:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <002201c431dd$ba3119d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002201c431dd$ba3119d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083682016.7490.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 08:43, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > What do you have in your list of local networks in the > > server-manager screen? > > Network 10.6.0.0 Subnet Mask 255.255.0.0 > > I am trying to send from 10.6.27.27. I would think the above setting > should allow this IP to send. Yes, that looks right. Is there a NAT gateway between that might be keeping the server from seeing the real source address? There should be some logs in /var/log/maillog and/or /var/log/qmail/current that might show more details about the rejection. It is also possible that your installed version has a bug. Have you checked for update RPM's for it? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 4 15:34:43 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:34:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME Server Custom ISO In-Reply-To: <1083682016.7490.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <004b01c431ed$5546ccd0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > Yes, that looks right. Is there a NAT gateway between that > might be keeping the server from seeing the real source > address? There should be some logs in /var/log/maillog > and/or /var/log/qmail/current that might show more details > about the rejection. It is also possible that your installed > version has a bug. Have you checked for update RPM's for it? They are both plugged into the same switch so there isn't anything between them. I used the update tool from the manager and didn't find any updates. I think what I will do is download the standard version and run the installer scripts for SA and ClamAV on that and see if things work. Maybe something in the "Custom ISO" is what is messing me up. At least I have been able to determine that SpamAssissin and ClamAV work the way I want them too. I am also going to attempt to build a WBEL server and install SA and clam AV on it and see which I like better. I am sure this will just entail more work. Thanks for the help. From patmo98 at yahoo.com Tue May 4 16:01:57 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick mohr) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dog food In-Reply-To: <4097C13D.5030702@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <20040504160157.79622.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jonathan Carter wrote: > jam at mcquil.com wrote: > Where can I download 4.1? I only find 4.0.1 on the > site. > > Thanks and regards, > Jonathan > First remember that alpha means that it probably will have show-stopping bugs and you will probably not get any sympathy if it causes you to lose all of your data. You probably will get little or no support for it but it is somewhere in the ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/ directory. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 4 16:14:50 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 09:14:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dog food In-Reply-To: <20040504160157.79622.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040504160157.79622.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1083687290.2018.20.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 09:01, Patrick mohr wrote: > --- Jonathan Carter > wrote: > > jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > Where can I download 4.1? I only find 4.0.1 on the > > site. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Jonathan > > > > First remember that alpha means that it probably will > have show-stopping bugs and you will probably not get > any sympathy if it causes you to lose all of your > data. You probably will get little or no support for > it but it is somewhere in the > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/ directory. > And second, remember that it is not feature-complete yet. Much of the nifty stuff Jim is working on is currently not included in the K12LTSP test builds. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's even more work unless you can find canned RPMs somewhere but it is worth the trouble. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hburroughs at hhprep.org Tue May 4 17:13:07 2004 From: hburroughs at hhprep.org (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 13:13:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Savannah, GA -> Charleston, SC area Message-ID: <1083690787.19258.14.camel@phoenix> I am just wondering if there is anyone on this list in the Savannah, Georgia to Charleston, SC area (pretty much along I-95), or even as far as Myrtle Beach, SC. Thanks! -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue May 4 17:20:21 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 18:20:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing Session Selection Message-ID: <000b01c431fc$14373ae0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List... Just a quickie this time... On the login screen of all my Clients there is a 'Session' selection option on the top left-hand side of the screen.... where do I edit/remove some of the Options in this list... I have done this before but have forgotten how to change it.... I know this is a simple one, but thank any way for your help... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue May 4 17:28:07 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 10:28:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing Session Selection In-Reply-To: <000b01c431fc$14373ae0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <000b01c431fc$14373ae0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1083691687.27109.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 10:20, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > On the login screen of all my Clients there is a 'Session' selection > option on the top left-hand side of the screen.... where do I edit/remove > some of the Options in this list... I have done this before but have > forgotten > how to change it.... For GDM in K12LTSP 3.1/4.0 /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions -- -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From tbrown at michiana.org Tue May 4 18:00:19 2004 From: tbrown at michiana.org (Tom Brown) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 13:00:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME comm problem In-Reply-To: <1083642437.15466.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503213030.00ae5be0@michiana.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20040503162542.00cbab50@michiana.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20040503213030.00ae5be0@michiana.org> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040504091129.00d968e0@michiana.org> At 10:47 PM 5/3/04 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 22:00, Tom Brown wrote: > > > dmesg shows: > > . Serial driver version 4.27 with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled > > . ttys00 at 0x03F8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > > . ttys01 at 0x02F8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > > > The 16550A UART should run at 115K with no problem, but I have it set > lower > > in Minicom. SME set speed at 115K in /etc/diald.conf. > >That looks right except I thought it should be ttyS0 and ttyS1 but >it may be different if you are running a really old kernel. On >some versions you used /dev/cua0 to call out, /dev/ttyS0 for >logins. Do you get any error when you try to use minicom to >access the device? The TR led should come on in any case >if you have the right device name. If the comm port connectors >aren't directly on the motherboard there is also some chance >that the wires go to the wrong headers so try using the >'wrong' device name too. /dev/modem is linked to /dev/ttyS1. Only dmesg/message (kernel) reports ttyS01. You may have pegged the problem on this test box. I left SME pointing at /dev/modem (ttyS1) and switched the cable to physical port com1 (ttyS0). The SME Internet test failed, but all the right lights lit on the modem. I attempted browsing Google with Lynx. Two tries and I was in. I searched for contribs.org and browsed it. Tested successfully with two modems and two cables. So there appears to be two potential causes for the comm errors: 1. The mobo may be improperly connected to the physical port (cables crossed)? 2. Internal port assignments (links) in SME may be crossed? I have the same problem with a production SME server. One down. One to go. Thanks. Tom From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 4 18:52:49 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:52:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server Message-ID: <007801c43209$02cc3b90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I am going to attempt to build a mail server from WBEL. The requirements are to be able to host multiple domains, have webmail (I prefer OpenWebmail), have anti-spam (I prefer SpamAssassin), have anti-virus (It looks like ClamAV is most common), and a mailing list manager. If anyone has advice or recommendations on what to use or how to configure it please let me know. From what I have found a lot of users use Postfix instead of Sendmail (I don't know why). The way I understand so far is Sendmail would hand to Procmail, Procmail to SpamAssassin and back and then deliver locally. The Webmin had a quick fix to have Procmail and SpamAssassin talk but I don't know how to have Sendmail deliver to Procmail. Then do I need to configure Amavis or something to tie in ClamAV? Les recommended using Sendmail and MimeDefang, what does MimeDefang do (Antivirus or Spam)? For now I really liked the ease of SME server but the canned package has me worried for future expansion or modifications, I think WBEL would offer more flexability (Such as using OpenWebmail instead of Horde). Any comments? I have looked all over and can't really find a good "how to" on a full featured email server. Thanks From julius at turtle.com Tue May 4 19:25:41 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: <007801c43209$02cc3b90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am going to attempt to build a mail server from WBEL. The > requirements are to be able to host multiple domains, have webmail (I > prefer OpenWebmail), have anti-spam (I prefer SpamAssassin), have > anti-virus (It looks like ClamAV is most common), and a mailing list > manager. > > If anyone has advice or recommendations on what to use or how to > configure it please let me know. From what I have found a lot of users > use Postfix instead of Sendmail (I don't know why). The way I > understand so far is Sendmail would hand to Procmail, Procmail to > SpamAssassin and back and then deliver locally. The Webmin had a quick > fix to have Procmail and SpamAssassin talk but I don't know how to have > Sendmail deliver to Procmail. Then do I need to configure Amavis or > something to tie in ClamAV? > > Les recommended using Sendmail and MimeDefang, what does MimeDefang do > (Antivirus or Spam)? > > For now I really liked the ease of SME server but the canned package has > me worried for future expansion or modifications, I think WBEL would > offer more flexability (Such as using OpenWebmail instead of Horde). > Any comments? > > I have looked all over and can't really find a good "how to" on a full > featured email server. > Jim, when it comes to ease of install, it is hard to beat squirrelmail. i run it on a k12 built server, all the software available via apt-get. i run it with spamassassin deamon, with scanmail (much easier than mimedefang to configure), with sophos av, but just about any av can be used. the whole thing works very well, has many plugins available and is not too awful to set up. the basic functionality is pretty good out of the box, and then you can extend it by plugins. julius From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 4 19:32:53 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:32:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: <007801c43209$02cc3b90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <007901c4320e$9b4fb680$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > I have looked all over and can't really find a good "how to" > on a full featured email server. After some more looking I have found the following howto: http://www.rudolphtire.com/mimedefang-howto/ I will start with this and see where it goes. This also has answered my questions about MimeDefang and mail flow. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 4 19:35:00 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:35:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007a01c4320e$e6b885c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > when it comes to ease of install, it is hard to beat > squirrelmail. I thought that squirrelmail was just a webmail client. I will check it out. From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Tue May 4 19:42:18 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 15:42:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get k3b running on k12ltsp v3 Message-ID: <4097F21A.7090605@coll-outao.qc.ca> I would like some feedback from users who got K3B running on there K12LTSP V3.1.1. Apt-get does'nt find this package so i downloaded it of rpmfind.net. Most if not all the dependencies are from Connectiva. K3B just does'nt start and no error messages in /var/log/messages. From nsantiago at caclv.org Tue May 4 19:44:29 2004 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:44:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server Message-ID: It is just a webmail client that connects to a POP/IMAP server. -Nick -----Original Message----- From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 2:35 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server > when it comes to ease of install, it is hard to beat > squirrelmail. I thought that squirrelmail was just a webmail client. I will check it out. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 4 19:58:53 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:58:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007b01c43212$3d2e4860$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > It is just a webmail client that connects to a POP/IMAP server. > > -Nick In that case I will assume and plugin for antivirus or spam would only affect webmail traffic? From julius at turtle.com Tue May 4 20:25:07 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: <007a01c4320e$e6b885c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > when it comes to ease of install, it is hard to beat > > squirrelmail. > > I thought that squirrelmail was just a webmail client. I will check it > out. well, it is and it isn't. squirrelmail runs against any imap server. given that, your standard sendmail with imap deamon will be the "server" part for squirrelmail "client", which is the server for the browser client. i run mine against the imapd on hp-ux. it works like a charm - the mail and users' folders reside on the hp-ux business server; the rules, calendars, bayesian filters and such reside on the linux box that serves squirrelmail. this is lovely, because it slid into my old mail setup without any undue strain and no change for the users that didn't want change - instead it just web anabled my old mail setup. julius From julius at turtle.com Tue May 4 20:31:43 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: <007b01c43212$3d2e4860$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > It is just a webmail client that connects to a POP/IMAP server. > > > > -Nick > > In that case I will assume and plugin for antivirus or spam would only > affect webmail traffic? > no, wrong question asked. squirrelmail uses imapd deamon to authenticate users and to obtain mail, that it presents in web format to the browser. av and antispam have to happen *before* imapd gets to play with mail. they need to happen at entry to a mail gate, usually they get fired up by replacing plain sendmail waiting on port 25 by another process. scanmail and mimedefang are just such processes. they in turn call spamassasin and av to decide what to do with messegaes before delivering them to the mail *server* process. julius From oh207 at netzero.net Tue May 4 20:35:02 2004 From: oh207 at netzero.net (Onkar Harry) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 20:35:02 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get k3b running on k12ltsp v3 Message-ID: <20040504.133550.15650.85937@webmail22.nyc.untd.com> -- Guy Lessard wrote: I would like some feedback from users who got K3B running on there K12LTSP V3.1.1. Apt-get does'nt find this package so i downloaded it of rpmfind.net. Most if not all the dependencies are from Connectiva. K3B just does'nt start and no error messages in /var/log/messages. I've been using the rpms from this site for a while now with great success. http://k3b.xcyb.org/ This site is linked from the main K3b site under the download section. I used earlier versions of K3b with K12LTSPv3.x.x, but i have since upgraded to the lastest K12LTSP based on fedora. There are rpms for redhat 9, which should work just fine. -onkar _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 4 20:46:51 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:46:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007d01c43218$f00db2d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > no, wrong question asked. squirrelmail uses imapd deamon to > authenticate users and to obtain mail, that it presents in > web format to the browser. av and antispam have to happen > *before* imapd gets to play with mail. they need to happen at > entry to a mail gate, usually they get fired up by replacing > plain sendmail waiting on port 25 by another process. > scanmail and mimedefang are just such processes. they in turn > call spamassasin and av to decide what to do with messegaes > before delivering them to the mail > *server* process. julius Thanks, I will continue with my quest to understand this stuff :-) I have been spoiled in the past with Alt-N's Mdaemon which is awesome software, but the price is just getting to be too much for the budgets I run into. From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Tue May 4 20:56:49 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 16:56:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get k3b running on k12ltsp v3 In-Reply-To: <20040504.133550.15650.85937@webmail22.nyc.untd.com> References: <20040504.133550.15650.85937@webmail22.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: <40980391.1000907@coll-outao.qc.ca> Super, i will give this a try. > >I've been using the rpms from this site for a while now with great success. >http://k3b.xcyb.org/ >This site is linked from the main K3b site under the download section. >I used earlier versions of K3b with K12LTSPv3.x.x, but i have since upgraded to the lastest K12LTSP based on fedora. There are rpms for redhat 9, which should work just fine. > >-onkar > > > From les at futuresource.com Tue May 4 21:12:58 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 16:12:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: <007801c43209$02cc3b90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007801c43209$02cc3b90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083705178.15919.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 13:52, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Les recommended using Sendmail and MimeDefang, what does MimeDefang do > (Antivirus or Spam)? > MimeDefang doesn't do either specifically. It hooks into sendmail's milter interface which lets it scan the content *before* sendmail has given the final ACK for accepting the message. That means you can do things like rejecting based on content without having to construct and return a bounce message or you can 'greylist' where you temp_fail the first message from unknown senders because spammers generally don't retry while all legitimate mailers will. MimeDefang splits out the mail attachments, then acts as a framework to run whatever spam and virus scanners you want. The install procedure will automatically find SpamAssasin amd clam if you have them installed first. There are a few tricks to making it all work together but it isn't too bad. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bullet at sc.rr.com Tue May 4 21:15:16 2004 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (Tom Simpson) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 17:15:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Savannah, GA -> Charleston, SC area In-Reply-To: <1083690787.19258.14.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040504171441.036a3dd0@pop-server.sc.rr.com> At 01:13 PM 5/4/2004 -0400, Henry Burroughs wrote: >I am just wondering if there is anyone on this list in the Savannah, >Georgia to Charleston, SC area (pretty much along I-95), or even as far as >Myrtle Beach, SC. Thanks! > > >-- >Henry Burroughs >Technology Director >Hilton Head Preparatory School >www.hhprep.org >hburroughs at hhprep.org I live in Columbia and work in Orangeburg. Close enough? :-) -Tom -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.677 / Virus Database: 439 - Release Date: 5/4/2004 From goblin at scooter.co.nz Tue May 4 22:09:30 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (MrGoblin) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 10:09:30 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: <007d01c43218$f00db2d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007d01c43218$f00db2d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4098149A.8010206@scooter.co.nz> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Thanks, I will continue with my quest to understand this stuff :-) I > have been spoiled in the past with Alt-N's Mdaemon which is awesome > software, but the price is just getting to be too much for the budgets I > run into. I personally prefer Postfix. I've found the following two links to be most helpful in setting up a mail server. http://high5.net/howto http://www.pipeline.com.au/staff/mbowe/isp/webmail-server.htm mRgOBLIN From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue May 4 22:31:19 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:31:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone using an Adaptec SATA 1210SA adapter Message-ID: Is anyone using an Adaptec SATA 1210SA HD controller? My new server arrived today with a SATA RAID 1 with 2x120Gb SATA drives. It will NOT install!!! :-( When booting from the Fedora Core CD, it comes up with Lost Interrupt when finding the hd's ... it seems to find the hardware on IRQ11, the normal IDE on IRQ14&15 as normal ... but then will go no further. It will not even go as far as to give me the opportunity to insert a driver disk with LINUX DD at boot. So at this point I yanked the wonderful new SATA stuff and inserted a normal IDE ... but this needs to work. Any other experiences with this adapter? Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From mross at esd165.org Tue May 4 22:29:02 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matt Ross) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 15:29:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and Macintosh Message-ID: <4098192E.2020606@esd165.org> Greetings. I've been looking for a way to put to use our growing collection of old macs in the tech lab. Since we've been playing with LTSP, the idea of macs used as thin clients came about. I spent some time researching the subject. Obviously, this is not a new idea. I have read a lot of archived traffic about the idea, and can see that it might be harder than it seems. So, what are the compications of using Macs as X11 terminals? I see 3 diffrent ways of making this possilble: * 1. The Mac boots Linux for it's archatecure (either 68k or PPC) off the harddrive and runs linux's X to connect to the LTSP. * 2. The Mac boots MacOS (Version 7.5.3 is free, I think) and loads a X server nativly, thus connects to the LTSP. * 3. The Mac boots MacOS, loads a VNC program and connects to the LTSP. I just learned of VNCing into the LTSP today. Cool beans. At what levels would memory be a problem? Would swap space make up for any deficianies? How is sound transported (I'm clueless here)? Could sound be pushed over options 2 or 3? Are there current prodjects which are working on these solutions? -Matt From cliebow at downeast.net Tue May 4 23:20:39 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 23:20:39 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and Macintosh Message-ID: <200405042210.i44MAMl15114@downeast.net> i use ltsp on nubus macs..workingon netbooting new world macs...chuck > Greetings. > > I've been looking for a way to put to use our growing collection of old > macs in the tech lab. Since we've been playing with LTSP, the idea of > macs used as thin clients came about. > > I spent some time researching the subject. Obviously, this is not a new > idea. I have read a lot of archived traffic about the idea, and can see > that it might be harder than it seems. > > So, what are the compications of using Macs as X11 terminals? > > I see 3 diffrent ways of making this possilble: > > * 1. The Mac boots Linux for it's archatecure (either 68k or PPC) off > the harddrive and runs linux's X to connect to the LTSP. > * 2. The Mac boots MacOS (Version 7.5.3 is free, I think) and loads a X > server nativly, thus connects to the LTSP. > * 3. The Mac boots MacOS, loads a VNC program and connects to the LTSP. > > I just learned of VNCing into the LTSP today. Cool beans. > > At what levels would memory be a problem? Would swap space make up for > any deficianies? How is sound transported (I'm clueless here)? Could > sound be pushed over options 2 or 3? > > Are there current prodjects which are working on these solutions? > > -Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed May 5 00:32:29 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 06:02:29 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone using an Adaptec SATA 1210SA adapter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083717149.3260.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 04:01, Joe Guenther wrote: > My new server arrived today with a SATA RAID 1 with 2x120Gb SATA drives. It > will NOT install!!! :-( When booting from the Fedora Core CD, it comes up > with Lost Interrupt when finding the hd's ... it seems to find the hardware > on IRQ11, the normal IDE on IRQ14&15 as normal ... but then will go no > further. It will not even go as far as to give me the opportunity to insert > a driver disk with LINUX DD at boot. My experience shows that you have to go into BIOS and look at settings for the disk. You need to see if SATA has been enabled and try to set legacy support instead of enhanced. I had a machines where after lot of frustration this was found to be the reason. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed May 5 01:41:09 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:41:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and Macintosh In-Reply-To: <4098192E.2020606@esd165.org> References: <4098192E.2020606@esd165.org> Message-ID: <40984635.3030309@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Matt, I've done this with Power Mac 5200's and 5260's. These are NuBus boxes, and I've found that running the Mach kernel (from MkLinux) on them works well. Note that you will need to have 32MB minimum DRAM in the Mac for the Mach kernel to boot. Some dude named Skip Gaede put together a kernel and initrd ramdisk, all in one file, for us to use. You will need to install the Mach kernel on your hard disk, in a specific folder (this is documented on http://www.ltsp.org/contrib). It uses about 4.5MB of disk, so it's pretty small. Also note that you'll need to download the ppc version of the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory tree as well; I've named mine /opt/ltsp/ppc. Once they're booted, I've noticed a few issues, none of which have stopped me from using them as LTSP clients. First, the 52x0 series has a max resolution of 640x480x256 colors. Back then, remember, this was a Big Deal. Also, these often came with a NIC that had a SONIC-T chipset on it; these do not work with GNU/Linux and need to be replaced with a Macsense or something else (it cost me $10 a pop w/ shipping). The fastest NICs available for these older boxes are, to my knowledge, 10Mbps, which means that it'll feel a bit sluggish due to the screen updates. However, remember that the apps themselves are running at the speed of the server. Even with the 10Mbps cards, though, they feel and respond a lot faster than they do as standalone boxes running Mac OS; it feels over twice as fast on mine. The 640x480x256 resolution can be taken care of by telling KDE (yes, I run KDE with these things) to use the "small" or "tiny" icons in the Panel. To my own surprise, it was quite useable! OO.o and Mozilla, of course, felt a little cramped on such a low resolution (my normal box has a 21" Trinitron, so I'm spoiled), but, again, it was useable. Note that if you had, say, a PCI-based PMac as your thin client--say, a 5500--with a 100Mbps NIC in there, it'd feel very fast. I've not run 68K Linux before, nor was I aware that it existed, but if you have trouble getting that to work, there is a NetBSD port for them. In this case, all you need is to have the X11 server query the LTSP server. It might just be easier, though, to stick with PowerPC-based boxes as thin clients. --TP Matt Ross wrote: > Greetings. > > I've been looking for a way to put to use our growing collection of > old macs in the tech lab. Since we've been playing with LTSP, the idea > of macs used as thin clients came about. > > I spent some time researching the subject. Obviously, this is not a > new idea. I have read a lot of archived traffic about the idea, and > can see that it might be harder than it seems. > > So, what are the compications of using Macs as X11 terminals? > > I see 3 diffrent ways of making this possilble: > > * 1. The Mac boots Linux for it's archatecure (either 68k or PPC) off > the harddrive and runs linux's X to connect to the LTSP. > * 2. The Mac boots MacOS (Version 7.5.3 is free, I think) and loads a > X server nativly, thus connects to the LTSP. > * 3. The Mac boots MacOS, loads a VNC program and connects to the LTSP. > > I just learned of VNCing into the LTSP today. Cool beans. > > At what levels would memory be a problem? Would swap space make up for > any deficianies? How is sound transported (I'm clueless here)? Could > sound be pushed over options 2 or 3? > > Are there current prodjects which are working on these solutions? > > -Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed May 5 02:06:53 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 02:06:53 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and Macintosh Message-ID: <200405050056.i450ual05251@downeast.net> to make my 5260 work i had to use resolution f 832x624 and a kerneli built from 2.4.20-pre11 and nubus patch of etsushi kato with daynacard to fit pds slot...biggest issue i had was right click...the mouse speed was not really a prob chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed May 5 03:29:12 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 15:29:12 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083727165.1871.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Julius, How does it handle domain mail? Can it drag the whole lot down to the local server, or does each user have to get the e-mail from the ISP? Could you give me a "mud map" schem,atic with appropriate modules. I've got Squirrel mail working, and it is Simple to install. Domain mail is a bit of a puzzle for me still. Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 07:25, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > I am going to attempt to build a mail server from WBEL. The > > requirements are to be able to host multiple domains, have webmail (I > > prefer OpenWebmail), have anti-spam (I prefer SpamAssassin), have > > anti-virus (It looks like ClamAV is most common), and a mailing list > > manager. > > > > If anyone has advice or recommendations on what to use or how to > > configure it please let me know. From what I have found a lot of users > > use Postfix instead of Sendmail (I don't know why). The way I > > understand so far is Sendmail would hand to Procmail, Procmail to > > SpamAssassin and back and then deliver locally. The Webmin had a quick > > fix to have Procmail and SpamAssassin talk but I don't know how to have > > Sendmail deliver to Procmail. Then do I need to configure Amavis or > > something to tie in ClamAV? > > > > Les recommended using Sendmail and MimeDefang, what does MimeDefang do > > (Antivirus or Spam)? > > > > For now I really liked the ease of SME server but the canned package has > > me worried for future expansion or modifications, I think WBEL would > > offer more flexability (Such as using OpenWebmail instead of Horde). > > Any comments? > > > > I have looked all over and can't really find a good "how to" on a full > > featured email server. > > > Jim, > when it comes to ease of install, it is hard to beat squirrelmail. > i run it on a k12 built server, all the software available via apt-get. i > run it with spamassassin deamon, with scanmail (much easier than > mimedefang to configure), with sophos av, but just about any av can be > used. the whole thing works very well, has many plugins available and is > not too awful to set up. the basic functionality is pretty good out of the > box, and then you can extend it by plugins. > julius > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed May 5 03:29:15 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 15:29:15 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: <007d01c43218$f00db2d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007d01c43218$f00db2d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1083727467.1871.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Jim, I too have been spoilt by MDaemon. Like you I am trying to get an idea of how all the bits tie together. Linux is being installed to provide cost neutral upgrade for the organisation I'm helping. Cheers, Bert > Thanks, I will continue with my quest to understand this stuff :-) I > have been spoiled in the past with Alt-N's Mdaemon which is awesome > software, but the price is just getting to be too much for the budgets I > run into. > From ddaniels at magic.fr Wed May 5 04:15:06 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:15:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dog food In-Reply-To: <1083687290.2018.20.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20040504160157.79622.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> <1083687290.2018.20.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40986A4A.3060707@magic.fr> like a improved VNC handling n'est-ce pas? :) Quick question on the new X11... Will/Does it have better support for older monitors? I've got gobs of older monitors that I'd love to hook up but they are always such a pain... -denny > And second, remember that it is not feature-complete yet. > Much of the nifty stuff Jim is working on is currently not > included in the K12LTSP test builds. > > -Eric From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 5 13:05:26 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 09:05:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and Macintosh In-Reply-To: <200405050056.i450ual05251@downeast.net> References: <200405050056.i450ual05251@downeast.net> Message-ID: <4098E696.6010100@inlandlakes.org> I have to pipe in too -- I've been working hard to get our 5500s working as reliable thin clients. Sadly, I can't find an OS 7.6.1 compatible vnc client... I wanted to try that as an option. Here's what I've tried with varied results: 1) installing yellowdog 3.0.1, because it is easy to install, onto the mac. This requires a mac partition and bootx to get it to boot. Then I do an X -query 192.168.0.254 in the inittab to get it to start up with a login screen. Results 1a) Pretty fast. Definitely faster than MacOS on the machine. 1b) Sound will likely work with some other commands (Eric Harrison sent a few things to try so as to get network sound working on them. Since getting esd to work on the local linux install is easy, I'm confident that getting network sound working will not be too hard, I just haven't had the time yet) 1c) Flash crashes mozilla (and any other browser) silently with no error messages at the console, etc. If I put the computer in 256 color mode, it didnt' crash mozilla -- but it was the most horrible pallete I've ever seen, and was unusable. I don't really care if flash is slow or unworking -- but it can't crash the browser. There are too many flash sites out there. This is a big show-stopper for me right now. 1d) Shutting down the machines is tricky. :) The best way I've found is to edit the inittab file, and change the behavior of ctrl-alt-del to "halt" instead of "reboot". Then, I have to ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X, and quickly ctrl-alt-del to halt the machine cleanly. Unlike thin clients, it IS an issue because there is a full linux install running on the hard drive. Maybe if I had it mount the partitions readonly it wouldn't be an issue if it was just shut off, but I haven't explored that option. 2) Load linux, but instead of running an X -query, I start X with a vnc session to the server. This LOOKS identical to #1, with a few different issues. 2a) While it's not really any slower or faster, it *feels* a bit slower because of the way the screen is redrawn. It is very usable, but just... well... vnc. :) 2b) Sound will not work. VNC does not support it, and I don't see how it could be mangled to work. 2c) FLASH WORKS!!!! This is a big deal for me. 2d) I don't know of a vnc client for OS7.6.1, and while getting rid of linux sounds horrible -- it would be one less point of failure to get a native VNC client working. I have my doubts about a mac version being as "good" as the linux version of vnc anyway... but that's beside the point. :) 3) Try different version of X on the mac. I have tried different xservers, different versions of X, different config files, different amounts of system RAM, different resolutions, etc, etc. I can't get flash to stop crashing mozilla when running an X -query command. It drives me nuts. Hope this was enlightening. :) It's been quite a trip for me so far. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From julius at turtle.com Wed May 5 14:44:58 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: <1083727165.1871.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 May 2004, Bert Rolston wrote: > How does it handle domain mail? > > Can it drag the whole lot down to the local server, or does each user > have to get the e-mail from the ISP? > > Could you give me a "mud map" schem,atic with appropriate modules. I've > got Squirrel mail working, and it is Simple to install. Domain mail is a > bit of a puzzle for me still. Bert, the way i do it is to have MX record point to the mail gate machine - that causes all the incoming mail to go there. this machine is aso my outgoing mail gate, my squirrelmail server, dns squid (guard) server and other whatnots. I suppose you can use fetchmail to get all the mail for your domain from the isp, that is if you dial up sporadically. if you are connected to the 'net via a link that mostly stays up, then add the MX record in the dns server that has the authority for your domain. As to squirrelmail - i added many plugins, some of them really necessary, like java freecell, some of them less important ;-) here is the current list: Installed Plugins 1. delete_move_next 2. squirrelspell 3. newmail 4. address_add 5. abook_take 6. calendar 7. twc_weather 8. vkeyboard 9. todo 10. freecell 11. dictionary-0.6 12. mail_utilities 13. compatibility 14. mini 15. bayesspam Available Plugins: 16. administrator 17. bug_report 18. filters 19. fortune 20. info 21. listcommands 22. mail_fetch 23. message_details 24. sent_subfolders 25. spamcop 26. translate Mind you, available plugins are those i have loaded but not moved them to active configuration. There is pretty decent writeup on SquirrelMail website on how to work with plugins. Individual plugins have their own descriptions, some of them are somewhat lacking in clarity. hope this answers your questions. julius From patmo98 at yahoo.com Wed May 5 16:24:33 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 09:24:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and Macintosh In-Reply-To: <4098E696.6010100@inlandlakes.org> References: <200405050056.i450ual05251@downeast.net> <4098E696.6010100@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40991541.1060408@yahoo.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > > 1c) Flash crashes mozilla (and any other browser) silently with no > error messages at the console, etc. If I put the computer in 256 color > mode, it didnt' crash mozilla -- but it was the most horrible pallete > I've ever seen, and was unusable. I don't really care if flash is slow > or unworking -- but it can't crash the browser. There are too many > flash sites out there. This is a big show-stopper for me right now. > Why can't you uninstall the flash plugin. That should cause mozilla not to crash. I don't have flash installed on most computers that I use. Mostly flash is only good for games and ads. From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Wed May 5 16:37:23 2004 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 10:37:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL Mail Server In-Reply-To: <007801c43209$02cc3b90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007801c43209$02cc3b90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40991843.5090403@physics.isu.edu> Comments inline.. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I am going to attempt to build a mail server from WBEL. The >requirements are to be able to host multiple domains, have webmail (I >prefer OpenWebmail), have anti-spam (I prefer SpamAssassin), have >anti-virus (It looks like ClamAV is most common), and a mailing list >manager. > > I have just built 3 servers on WBEL with Postfix, amavisd-new, SpamAssassin, Squirrelmail, and ClamAV, and MailMan. Installing/tweaking is not simple, but it works extremely well and is very powerful and configurable. Installing amavis and its dependencies can be daunting, but dag wieers has good repositories that made it easier. I usually don't like mixing repositories, but in this case it is easier for me, as long as I document really well what I got from where, and I wrote some scripts to alert me if there are updates to packages from dag's repositories and install them manually. I use apt for dag, and yum for k12ltsp on these boxes. I ran into a couple of conflicts installing packages, such as the perl-perl-ldap rpm from k12ltsp conflicted with a similar package from dag, but nothing I couldn't manage. Not having done it before, and with mediocre skills it took me about 8 hours to set up the first one, the second was up and running in <2 hours, with some added tweaks. > Webmin had a quick >fix to have Procmail and SpamAssassin talk but I don't know how to have >Sendmail deliver to Procmail. Then do I need to configure Amavis or >something to tie in ClamAV? > > > Here is a link to a webmin module for setting up amavisd-new, I haven't used it, but have been meaning to try it. I prefer editing config files, as I feel I get a better picture of the whole process, but I'm all for making my job easier. http://www.fh-furtwangen.de/~grund/AMaViSD/webmin-AMaViSD.html >Les recommended using Sendmail and MimeDefang, what does MimeDefang do >(Antivirus or Spam)? > > Others have talked about MimeDefang, and I've never used it. I've used Mailscanner with sendmail, and amavisd-new with postfix. I have been leaning towards postfix because it is supports the features I need out of the box and RH/WBEL, it integrates a little better with amavisd-new (the developer uses postfix) and it's easier for me to tweak and understand than sendmail. I have been using sendmail for 6+ years, but already like postfix better after 6 months with it. They both work well, use whatever you are most familiar with. >For now I really liked the ease of SME server but the canned package has >me worried for future expansion or modifications, I think WBEL would >offer more flexability (Such as using OpenWebmail instead of Horde). >Any comments? > > WBEL won't match the ease of SME, but you can have a very flexible setup that is still maintainable. Squirrelmail is really easy to get running. Haven't used the others because Squirrelmail (over https) meets my needs. >I have looked all over and can't really find a good "how to" on a full >featured email server. > > > I can't help much here.. I put mine together from bits and pieces from here and there. I did keep notes, but they are very disorganized and I won't have time for a couple of weeks to make them coherent to anyone but myself. This links might be a good place to start if you want to know more. http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/ Check out the howtos under documentation. The readme files are very good too. A quick first time setup is in this one, http://www.spenneberg.com/postfix-amavisd-new.pdf several of the others are more advanced and more comprehensive. I can't say the whole process has been easy, but it has been fun, I keep going back and adding more 'features' to my setup. Hope this is of interest to someone, Ben Nickell -- Idaho State University Physics Dept. Pocatello Community Charter School From lewis at pcc.com Wed May 5 16:43:04 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:43:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Pattern Matching MAC address in lts.conf Message-ID: <47B207DD-9EB3-11D8-BF07-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Hi all, I am happy to report that I was able to glean so much information from the archives that I was able to set up a great demo for a client and they bought into the project big time. Five sites no more windows, well almost. So I am quite happy and now overwhelmed. My question is about lts.conf. In my testing environment I only had a few pieces of equipment. LTSP 150 and a toshiba laptop. I now need to expand the test group. The default is fine, but several of the machines are toshiba laptops. Rather than change the default I have added a match using MAC adddresses. I notived that all of the toshiba products have the same MAC prefix. I was wondering if there is a way of matching the first three hex numbers to apply viio driver settings? Something like this # Match Toshiba products [00:00:39:*:*:*] XSERVER = vesa Thanks in advance Lewis Holcroft --------- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed Linux. From l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk Wed May 5 16:47:30 2004 From: l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 17:47:30 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 Message-ID: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED0E7FAE@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> I discovered K12 LSTP only a few days ago and I have been eager to install it and I have downloaded the K12 LSTP 4.0.1 iso's. I have verified all of the md5 hashes. Unfortunately, I cannot get the system (a PII 266, 128Mb RAM, 40Gb HDD) to boot from the CD. I know the system is capable of CD booting as I have installed other distributions of linux on the machine. Are the CD's (in particular CD1) bootable? If so, is there anyone else that has encountered problems? I am new to the world of linux, so if there is information that would be pertinent but I have failed to include, please let me know. Many thanks for any help you can offer. 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HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From jam at mcquil.com Wed May 5 16:55:43 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Pattern Matching MAC address in lts.conf In-Reply-To: <47B207DD-9EB3-11D8-BF07-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: Lewis, Currently, there isn't wild-card support in the mac address. I spent a couple hours one day last summer playing with it, but never finished it. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 5 May 2004, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Hi all, > > I am happy to report that I was able to glean so much information from > the archives that I was able to set up a great demo for a client and > they bought into the project big time. Five sites no more windows, well > almost. So I am quite happy and now overwhelmed. > > My question is about lts.conf. In my testing environment I only had a > few pieces of equipment. LTSP 150 and a toshiba laptop. I now need to > expand the test group. The default is fine, but several of the machines > are toshiba laptops. Rather than change the default I have added a > match using MAC adddresses. I notived that all of the toshiba products > have the same MAC prefix. I was wondering if there is a way of matching > the first three hex numbers to apply viio driver settings? Something > like this > > # Match Toshiba products > [00:00:39:*:*:*] > XSERVER = vesa > > Thanks in advance > > Lewis Holcroft > --------- > The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed > Linux. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mross at esd165.org Wed May 5 17:35:08 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 10:35:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP has been Slashdotted In-Reply-To: <20040505164756.1376.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040505164756.1376.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <409925CC.9090709@esd165.org> Suse has been doing good things since (and even before) Novell took over. I must admit my interest in Suse has picked up recently... K12LTSP is a Fedora based project, I know. But, I think it would only be wise if this project was on speaking terms with Suse's efforts with LTSP. Curious: Anybody already in contact with them? -Matt Chris Thomas wrote: >Here is an article about LTSP and maybe Novell getting >into the thin client business. > >http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/05/1553211.shtml?tid=126&tid=163 > > > From csitech at davisny.edu Wed May 5 17:40:19 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park, ADCS) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:40:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED0E7FAE@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED0E7FAE@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1083778819.2147.5.camel@localhost> I'm pretty sure the CD's are bootable. You shouldn't have any trouble booting based on the system specs. With only 128MB you might need to initialize the SWAP partition right away, but I'm not sure. It should ask you to do that after it has booted though. Not to insult you, but have you checked the BIOS to be sure that it is set to boot from CD as the first option in the sequence (or second option if you want it to check the floppy drive first)? -Calvin On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 12:47, Luke Maslany wrote: > I discovered K12 LSTP only a few days ago and I have been eager to > install it and I have downloaded the K12 LSTP 4.0.1 iso?s. I have > verified all of the md5 hashes. > > > > Unfortunately, I cannot get the system (a PII 266, 128Mb RAM, 40Gb > HDD) to boot from the CD. I know the system is capable of CD booting > as I have installed other distributions of linux on the machine. > > > > Are the CD?s (in particular CD1) bootable? If so, is there anyone > else that has encountered problems? > > > > > > I am new to the world of linux, so if there is information that would > be pertinent but I have failed to include, please let me know. > > > > Many thanks for any help you can offer. > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > ************************** > > Luke Maslany > > l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk > > Network Engineer > > Network Services > > Josiah Mason College > > ************************** > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed May 5 17:53:33 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:53:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP has been Slashdotted In-Reply-To: <409925CC.9090709@esd165.org> References: <20040505164756.1376.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> <409925CC.9090709@esd165.org> Message-ID: <40992A1D.1080206@criticalcontrol.com> I am busy with an K12LTSP project with NDS as the authentication server. the /home on Linux is actually a ncpmount Cewl stuff once it is all working, especially the pam_auth module in ncpfs is confusing. Peter Matthew Ross wrote: > Suse has been doing good things since (and even before) Novell took > over. I must admit my interest in Suse has picked up recently... > > K12LTSP is a Fedora based project, I know. But, I think it would only > be wise if this project was on speaking terms with Suse's efforts with > LTSP. > > Curious: Anybody already in contact with them? > > -Matt > > Chris Thomas wrote: > >> Here is an article about LTSP and maybe Novell getting >> into the thin client business. >> >> http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/05/1553211.shtml?tid=126&tid=163 >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk Wed May 5 18:00:04 2004 From: l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:00:04 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 Message-ID: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADDD@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Thanks for the reply. No insult taken. I have checked the BIOS just in case... :) As I mentioned in my email though, I have successfully booted a number of other operating systems including SUSE, Debian, Gentoo and SmoothWall - all using the same machine with the same boot order and BIOS configuration. I have also tried downloading the images from three different servers (although this was a pointless gesture I suppose as the md5 checks were all the same), made at least two copies of each ISO set and two different sorts of CDR. I was really hoping someone had experienced the same problems!! :) Luke ************************** Luke Maslany l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk ************************** -----Original Message----- From: Calvin Park, ADCS [mailto:csitech at davisny.edu] Sent: 05 May 2004 18:40 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 I'm pretty sure the CD's are bootable. You shouldn't have any trouble booting based on the system specs. With only 128MB you might need to initialize the SWAP partition right away, but I'm not sure. It should ask you to do that after it has booted though. Not to insult you, but have you checked the BIOS to be sure that it is set to boot from CD as the first option in the sequence (or second option if you want it to check the floppy drive first)? -Calvin On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 12:47, Luke Maslany wrote: > I discovered K12 LSTP only a few days ago and I have been eager to > install it and I have downloaded the K12 LSTP 4.0.1 iso?s. I have > verified all of the md5 hashes. > > > > Unfortunately, I cannot get the system (a PII 266, 128Mb RAM, 40Gb > HDD) to boot from the CD. I know the system is capable of CD booting > as I have installed other distributions of linux on the machine. > > > > Are the CD?s (in particular CD1) bootable? If so, is there anyone > else that has encountered problems? > > > > > > I am new to the world of linux, so if there is information that would > be pertinent but I have failed to include, please let me know. > > > > Many thanks for any help you can offer. > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > ************************** > > Luke Maslany > > l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk > > Network Engineer > > Network Services > > Josiah Mason College > > ************************** > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mross at esd165.org Wed May 5 18:05:56 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:05:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADDD@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADDD@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <40992D04.1000503@esd165.org> Just FYI: Our copy of K12LTSP boots from CD without problem. We have version 4.0.1. K12LTSP 4.0.1 is based off of Fedora Core 1. If you can boot Fedora (Debian, Gentoo or Suse as well), you should be able to boot from K12LTSP. No idea why it wouldn't be working for you. -Matt Luke Maslany wrote: >Thanks for the reply. > >No insult taken. I have checked the BIOS just in case... :) > >As I mentioned in my email though, I have successfully booted a number of other operating systems including SUSE, Debian, Gentoo and SmoothWall - all using the same machine with the same boot order and BIOS configuration. > >I have also tried downloading the images from three different servers (although this was a pointless gesture I suppose as the md5 checks were all the same), made at least two copies of each ISO set and two different sorts of CDR. > >I was really hoping someone had experienced the same problems!! :) > > >Luke > > From les at futuresource.com Wed May 5 18:12:23 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:12:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADDD@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADDD@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1083780743.1323.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 13:00, Luke Maslany wrote: > As I mentioned in my email though, I have successfully booted a number of other operating systems including SUSE, Debian, Gentoo and SmoothWall - all using the same machine with the same boot order and BIOS configuration. > > I have also tried downloading the images from three different servers (although this was a pointless gesture I suppose as the md5 checks were all the same), made at least two copies of each ISO set and two different sorts of CDR. > > I was really hoping someone had experienced the same problems!! :) I've booted with those images. I have seen problems with some CD media on older PCs. In particular, most won't boot from CDRW and they may have trouble with disks written at the higher speeds of the newer writers. I've seem some where you could make the floppy boot image, boot from it, then install from the CD but it is faster to nfs export a directory containing the iso images and do an NFS install. Fedora FC2 has a new image that you can copy to USB storage but the older stuff probably won't boot from that either (and I couldn't get it to work on a machine that did boot it). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed May 5 18:14:44 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP has been Slashdotted In-Reply-To: <40992A1D.1080206@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <20040505181444.49187.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Novell has products that offer directory services. Are they going to put client settings (from the ltsp.conf file) into a directory? I thought I saw someone do the same thing with ldap. --- Pete wrote: > I am busy with an K12LTSP project with NDS as the > authentication server. > the /home on Linux is actually a ncpmount > > Cewl stuff once it is all working, especially the > pam_auth module in > ncpfs is confusing. > > Peter > > > Matthew Ross wrote: > > > Suse has been doing good things since (and even > before) Novell took > > over. I must admit my interest in Suse has picked > up recently... > > > > K12LTSP is a Fedora based project, I know. But, I > think it would only > > be wise if this project was on speaking terms with > Suse's efforts with > > LTSP. > > > > Curious: Anybody already in contact with them? > > > > -Matt > > > > Chris Thomas wrote: > > > >> Here is an article about LTSP and maybe Novell > getting > >> into the thin client business. > >> > >> > http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/05/1553211.shtml?tid=126&tid=163 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From aaa at pacifier.com Wed May 5 18:15:31 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:15:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED0E7FAE@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED0E7FAE@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <40992F43.6010409@pacifier.com> Luke Maslany wrote: > I discovered K12 LSTP only a few days ago and I have been eager to > install it and I have downloaded the K12 LSTP 4.0.1 iso?s. I have > verified all of the md5 hashes. > > Unfortunately, I cannot get the system (a PII 266, 128Mb RAM, 40Gb > HDD) to boot from the CD. I know the system is capable of CD booting > as I have installed other distributions of linux on the machine. > Hi Luke, I had the same problem. Then I discovered that I had burned the straight 4.0.1 file onto the cd instead of burning it as an ISO file. When I re-burned it with K3B as an ISO it worked! Hope this helps. Duane From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed May 5 18:17:43 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:17:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED0E7FAE@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: Did you buy the CD's already made or did you make them yourself. If you bought them, you may need to set your BIOS to boot from a floppy ( you'll need to check this either way. . .) If you downloaded the ISO files. . . Did you just copy the ISO to the CDs? or did you use the ISO image option to make the CDs? If you just copied the ISO image to the CD that won't work. Your CD writer software should have an option to make a CD from an ISO image. That is how you will need to do it. Doug On Wed, 5 May 2004, Luke Maslany wrote: > I discovered K12 LSTP only a few days ago and I have been eager to > install it and I have downloaded the K12 LSTP 4.0.1 iso's. I have > verified all of the md5 hashes. > > > > Unfortunately, I cannot get the system (a PII 266, 128Mb RAM, 40Gb HDD) > to boot from the CD. I know the system is capable of CD booting as I > have installed other distributions of linux on the machine. > > > > Are the CD's (in particular CD1) bootable? If so, is there anyone else > that has encountered problems? > > > > > > I am new to the world of linux, so if there is information that would be > pertinent but I have failed to include, please let me know. > > > > Many thanks for any help you can offer. > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > ************************** > > Luke Maslany > > l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk > > Network Engineer > > Network Services > > Josiah Mason College > > ************************** > > > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed May 5 18:19:56 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:19:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction follows. . .not boot from floppy but boot from CD-ROM!. . . Sorry. . . DS On Wed, 5 May 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > Did you buy the CD's already made or did you make them yourself. If you > bought them, you may need to set your BIOS to boot from a floppy ( you'll > need to check this either way. . .) > > If you downloaded the ISO files. . . > > Did you just copy the ISO to the CDs? or did you use the ISO image option > to make the CDs? > > If you just copied the ISO image to the CD that won't work. > > Your CD writer software should have an option to make a CD from an ISO > image. That is how you will need to do it. > > Doug > > > > On Wed, 5 May 2004, Luke Maslany wrote: > > > I discovered K12 LSTP only a few days ago and I have been eager to > > install it and I have downloaded the K12 LSTP 4.0.1 iso's. I have > > verified all of the md5 hashes. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I cannot get the system (a PII 266, 128Mb RAM, 40Gb HDD) > > to boot from the CD. I know the system is capable of CD booting as I > > have installed other distributions of linux on the machine. > > > > > > > > Are the CD's (in particular CD1) bootable? If so, is there anyone else > > that has encountered problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am new to the world of linux, so if there is information that would be > > pertinent but I have failed to include, please let me know. > > > > > > > > Many thanks for any help you can offer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************** > > > > Luke Maslany > > > > l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk > > > > Network Engineer > > > > Network Services > > > > Josiah Mason College > > > > ************************** > > > > > > > > > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From aaa at pacifier.com Wed May 5 18:24:22 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:24:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb SSH question Message-ID: <40993156.3080205@pacifier.com> Hi all, When I ssh into my K12ltsp server from somewhere new it says The authenticity of host '65.183.210.2 (65.183.210.2)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00. (not the real string) Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? How do I find the RSA key fringerprint on the server to compare with so that I can avoid a man-in-the-middle attack? Thanks, Duane From jim at rossberry.com Wed May 5 18:47:36 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb SSH question In-Reply-To: <40993156.3080205@pacifier.com> References: <40993156.3080205@pacifier.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 May 2004, Duane Wilson wrote: > How do I find the RSA key fringerprint on the server to compare with so > that I can avoid a man-in-the-middle attack? /etc/ssh/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From henryhartley at westat.com Wed May 5 19:00:50 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:00:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb SSH question Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B159@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Duane Wilson [mailto:aaa at pacifier.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:24 PM >> >> How do I find the RSA key fringerprint on the server to >> compare with so that I can avoid a man-in-the-middle attack? # ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key 1024 12:34:56:78:90:ab:cd:ef:12:34:56:78:90:ab:cd:ef /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub -- Henry From aaa at pacifier.com Wed May 5 19:06:48 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:06:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb SSH question In-Reply-To: References: <40993156.3080205@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <40993B48.7050306@pacifier.com> Jim Wildman wrote: >On Wed, 5 May 2004, Duane Wilson wrote: > > > >>How do I find the RSA key fringerprint on the server to compare with so >>that I can avoid a man-in-the-middle attack? >> >> > >/etc/ssh/ > > > Thanks Jim, What file do I look in within the /etc/ssh directory? I don't see anything that says "RSA key fingerprint" Duane From roger at efn.org Wed May 5 18:48:46 2004 From: roger at efn.org (Roger) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:48:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tracking usage Message-ID: <20040505114846.A19254@efn.org> I would like to be able to track usage for our LTSP. I was thinking along the lines of a .login/.logout script that would toggle a database with $USERNAME,$HOSTNAME, start-time,stop-time. We have a few users that have accounts, but the majority are using generic account names. We would like track all accounts. I can get the login part working, but have no idea where to place a script that would generate the logout information. Anybody try tracking users like this? -- Roger --------------------------------------------------------------------------- roger at efn.org The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Wed May 5 19:09:17 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:09:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb SSH question In-Reply-To: References: <40993156.3080205@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <40993BDD.40104@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Jim Wildman wrote: >On Wed, 5 May 2004, Duane Wilson wrote: > > > >>How do I find the RSA key fringerprint on the server to compare with so >>that I can avoid a man-in-the-middle attack? >> >> > >/etc/ssh/ > > More specifically: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From les at futuresource.com Wed May 5 19:27:09 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:27:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb SSH question In-Reply-To: <40993156.3080205@pacifier.com> References: <40993156.3080205@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1083785228.4554.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 13:24, Duane Wilson wrote: > Hi all, > When I ssh into my K12ltsp server from somewhere new it says > > The authenticity of host '65.183.210.2 (65.183.210.2)' can't be established. > RSA key fingerprint is 00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00. > (not the real string) > Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? > > > How do I find the RSA key fringerprint on the server to compare with so > that I can avoid a man-in-the-middle attack? After you have done this the first time, you'll have an entry in ~/.ssh/known_hosts with the name of the server and this fingerprint. This should be the same as what you see the next time from a new location. Subsequent times from the same location, ssh looks up the entry in known_hosts itself. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From atillax at gmx.ch Wed May 5 19:28:46 2004 From: atillax at gmx.ch (atillax at gmx.ch) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:28:46 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [K12OSN] how can I make a dvd of k12ltsp CD-ISOs Message-ID: <31434.1083785326@www44.gmx.net> hello I hava downloaded 4 CD-ISOs of K12LTSP v4.0.1. But trying to make a DVD of these failed!!! For example. I take just CD 1. Burn it with nero to a CD-RW and boot it. That works. But if I mount the CD 1, copy all the files in a directory, and than try to create a boot CD(isoimage.bin etc.) it does not do a media check and the error message is "no cd media found". What do I wrong? What are the options to burn a boot cd with Nero? Is there a manual for that? Thanks to all -- NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgeb?hr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl From aaa at pacifier.com Wed May 5 19:33:21 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:33:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb SSH question In-Reply-To: <1083785228.4554.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40993156.3080205@pacifier.com> <1083785228.4554.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40994181.60601@pacifier.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 13:24, Duane Wilson wrote: > > >> >>How do I find the RSA key fringerprint on the server to compare with so >>that I can avoid a man-in-the-middle attack? >> >> > >After you have done this the first time, you'll have an entry >in ~/.ssh/known_hosts with the name of the server and this >fingerprint. This should be the same as what you see the >next time from a new location. Subsequent times from the >same location, ssh looks up the entry in known_hosts itself. > > I just looked in known_hosts and I do see the name of the server, but the string after it bears no resembelence the the RSA key fingerprint sent from the server. What am I missing? Duane >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From ckjohnson at gwi.net Wed May 5 19:36:58 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 15:36:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tracking usage In-Reply-To: <20040505114846.A19254@efn.org> References: <20040505114846.A19254@efn.org> Message-ID: <40994259.7040202@gwi.net> Roger wrote: >I would like to be able to track usage for our LTSP. I was thinking along >the lines of a .login/.logout script that would toggle a database with >$USERNAME,$HOSTNAME, start-time,stop-time. > > As root the command 'last' shows login times and durations from /var/log/wtmp or file specified with -f so you could use it on rotated log files (e.g. last -f /var/log/wtmp.1). See 'man last' for more info. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From les at futuresource.com Wed May 5 19:38:24 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:38:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <40992F43.6010409@pacifier.com> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED0E7FAE@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> <40992F43.6010409@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1083785904.4554.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 13:15, Duane Wilson wrote: > I had the same problem. Then I discovered that I had burned the straight > 4.0.1 file onto the cd instead of burning it as an ISO file. When I > re-burned it with K3B as an ISO it worked! K3B does a lot of grunge work if you are assembling files for a CD, but if you already have an iso image you don't really need a GUI. Just: cdrecord options file.iso where options are usually --dev=N,0,0 (use "cdrecord --scanbus" to find N) and --driveropts=burnfree if the drive supports it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From roger at efn.org Wed May 5 20:04:57 2004 From: roger at efn.org (Roger) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:04:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tracking usage In-Reply-To: <40994259.7040202@gwi.net>; from ckjohnson@gwi.net on Wed, May 05, 2004 at 03:36:58PM -0400 References: <20040505114846.A19254@efn.org> <40994259.7040202@gwi.net> Message-ID: <20040505130457.A21135@efn.org> Around Wed,May 05 2004, at 03:36, Christopher K. Johnson, wrote: >Roger wrote: > >>I would like to be able to track usage for our LTSP. I was thinking along >>the lines of a .login/.logout script that would toggle a database with >>$USERNAME,$HOSTNAME, start-time,stop-time. >> >> >As root the command 'last' shows login times and durations from >/var/log/wtmp or file specified with -f so you could use it on rotated >log files (e.g. last -f /var/log/wtmp.1). > I'll look at that. I kind of forgot about that. I also discovered /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession I figure it best to grab the data as it happens rather than parse log files later. -- Roger --------------------------------------------------------------------------- roger at efn.org Taxes, n.: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an extension. From cliebow at downeast.net Wed May 5 21:36:49 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:36:49 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and Macintosh Message-ID: <200405052026.i45KQQT28961@downeast.net> gotta be a way to build a kernel with initrd that will boot from bootx on a 5500.i have only used a mach kernel and mklinux booter on mine.. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From mross at esd165.org Wed May 5 21:51:01 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:51:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New Problem: Black VNC Message-ID: <409961C5.1090703@esd165.org> New problem: Black VNC connection. Well, I did an 'apt-get update' then an 'apt-get upgrade'. After a few questions, I rebooted (new kernel and all). So, A few hours later, I tried to VNC into the box remotely... and get a black VNC window. What I see is a properly sized VNC window (1024x768 resolution) with the Xfree X cursor... but nothing else. Where did I go wrong? -Matt From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Wed May 5 21:55:00 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:55:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1083785904.4554.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED0E7FAE@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> <40992F43.6010409@pacifier.com> <1083785904.4554.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <409962B4.6020902@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 13:15, Duane Wilson wrote: > > > >>I had the same problem. Then I discovered that I had burned the straight >>4.0.1 file onto the cd instead of burning it as an ISO file. When I >>re-burned it with K3B as an ISO it worked! >> >> > >K3B does a lot of grunge work if you are assembling files for >a CD, but if you already have an iso image you don't really >need a GUI. Just: >cdrecord options file.iso >where options are usually --dev=N,0,0 >(use "cdrecord --scanbus" to find N) and >--driveropts=burnfree if the drive supports it. > > Being lazy, I created the following shell script called 'burn' which allows me to simply type: "burn whatever.iso": #!/bin/bash cdrecord -v dev=0,5,0 speed=12 -eject $1 -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu May 6 00:58:16 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 12:58:16 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 Message-ID: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi folks, I could use some help with this. I was working on a machine last night. Created a new user with Webmin, gave it /bin/bash as it's shell. Shutdown the machine. This morning I start it up, and I get the following error message/s May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba init: Id "5" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba /sbin/mingetty[1878]: /dev/tty4: cannot open tty: Input/output error May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba /sbin/mingetty[1879]: /dev/tty6: cannot open tty: Input/output error May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba /sbin/mingetty[1880]: /dev/tty4: cannot open tty: Input/output error May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba init: Id "6" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba init: Id "4" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes May 6 12:35:01 WDRCSamba gdm[1881]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 May 6 12:35:02 WDRCSamba gdm[1887]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 May 6 12:35:06 WDRCSamba gdm[1889]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 May 6 12:35:10 WDRCSamba gdm[1891]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 May 6 12:35:10 WDRCSamba gdm[1811]: deal_with_x_crashes: Running the XKeepsCrashing script If I go into /dev and > ls -l tty? I get the following crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 4, 0 Jan 30 2003 tty0 crw--w---- 1 root tty 4, 1 May 6 12:46 tty1 crw------- 1 root root 4, 2 May 6 12:34 tty2 crw------- 1 root root 4, 3 May 6 12:34 tty3 crw------- 1 root root 3, 142 Jan 30 2003 tty4 crw------- 1 root root 3, 143 Jan 30 2003 tty5 crw------- 1 root root 3, 141 Jan 30 2003 tty6 BUT when I do a listing for different tty I get this > ls -l ttyw? crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 3, 112 Jan 30 2003 ttyw0 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu May 6 01:17:11 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 21:17:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> Hi Bert, Take a look at your /var/log/XFree86.0.log for any error messages. su root tail -50 /var/log/XFree86.0.log | less ought to do it. I ran into a situation just last Friday with the Bitstream-Vera typeface getting hosed after apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, so I just uninstalled the new bitstream-vera RPM and put the original one back on, and all was fine. The symptom was that X11 kept trying to start and then dying, five times, and then quit, saying "sorry, too many failed times", and I got a CLI login prompt. This was on K12LTSP 3.1.2. --TP Bert Rolston wrote: >Hi folks, > >I could use some help with this. > >I was working on a machine last night. >Created a new user with Webmin, gave it /bin/bash as it's shell. > >Shutdown the machine. > >This morning I start it up, and I get the following error message/s > >May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba init: Id "5" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes >May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba /sbin/mingetty[1878]: /dev/tty4: cannot open tty: Input/output error >May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba /sbin/mingetty[1879]: /dev/tty6: cannot open tty: Input/output error >May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba /sbin/mingetty[1880]: /dev/tty4: cannot open tty: Input/output error >May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba init: Id "6" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes >May 6 12:34:58 WDRCSamba init: Id "4" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes >May 6 12:35:01 WDRCSamba gdm[1881]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 >May 6 12:35:02 WDRCSamba gdm[1887]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 >May 6 12:35:06 WDRCSamba gdm[1889]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 >May 6 12:35:10 WDRCSamba gdm[1891]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 >May 6 12:35:10 WDRCSamba gdm[1811]: deal_with_x_crashes: Running the XKeepsCrashing script > >If I go into /dev and > > >>ls -l tty? >> >> > >I get the following > >crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 4, 0 Jan 30 2003 tty0 >crw--w---- 1 root tty 4, 1 May 6 12:46 tty1 >crw------- 1 root root 4, 2 May 6 12:34 tty2 >crw------- 1 root root 4, 3 May 6 12:34 tty3 >crw------- 1 root root 3, 142 Jan 30 2003 tty4 >crw------- 1 root root 3, 143 Jan 30 2003 tty5 >crw------- 1 root root 3, 141 Jan 30 2003 tty6 > >BUT when I do a listing for different tty I get this > > > >>ls -l ttyw? >> >> >crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 3, 112 Jan 30 2003 ttyw0 >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu May 6 01:47:09 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 13:47:09 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 13:17, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Hi Bert, > > Take a look at your /var/log/XFree86.0.log for any error messages. > > su root > tail -50 /var/log/XFree86.0.log | less Thanks Terrell, Here are the results. > tail -50 /var/log/XFree86.0.log | less XFree86 Version 4.3.0 (Red Hat Linux release: 4.3.0-2) Release Date: 27 February 2003 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20-3bigmem i686 [ELF] Build Date: 27 February 2003 Build Host: porky.devel.redhat.com Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/ to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.20-8 (bhcompile at porky.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5)) #1 Thu Mar 13 17:54:28 EST 2003 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Thu May 6 12:35:09 2004 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config" (==) ServerLayout "Default Layout" (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" (**) | |-->Device "Videocard0" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" (**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" (**) XKB: model: "pc105" (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" (**) XKB: layout: "us" (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (**) |-->Input Device "DevInputMice" (**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100" (**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (--) using VT number 4 Fatal server error: xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 4 (Input/output error) When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". Please report problems to xfree86 at xfree86.org. Any ideas? Bert From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu May 6 04:29:50 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 22:29:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] strange install error Message-ID: I am installing a new server and I continually get this error while installing K12LTSP.. "An error occurred transferring the install image to your hard drive. You are probably out of disk space." I have tried my K12LTSP 4.0 and the 4.0.1 CDs. This error does NOT occur when installing WBEL. There is one hd ... a 20Gb Seagate IDE. not sure what is going on... Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 6 06:10:31 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 11:40:31 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb SSH question In-Reply-To: <40994181.60601@pacifier.com> References: <40993156.3080205@pacifier.com> <1083785228.4554.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40994181.60601@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1083823831.19809.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 01:03, Duane Wilson wrote: > I just looked in known_hosts and I do see the name of the server, > but the string after it bears no resembelence the the RSA key > fingerprint sent from the server. This is likely to happen if you changed the NIC card on the other machine or the machine was replaced with a new box. In such a case if you are sure that this has happened edit the existing lines of the server and connect. New lines would be added with new key in the file known_hosts. Also are you sure that ssh is set to follow RSA? AFAIK it follows DSA by default. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu May 6 10:21:14 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 06:21:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED0E7FAE@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED0E7FAE@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <409A119A.8040606@msln.net> HAve you tried the cd in a different machine to make sure the burn went ok? Just a thought. Mark Luke Maslany wrote: > I discovered K12 LSTP only a few days ago and I have been eager to > install it and I have downloaded the K12 LSTP 4.0.1 iso?s. I have > verified all of the md5 hashes. > > Unfortunately, I cannot get the system (a PII 266, 128Mb RAM, 40Gb > HDD) to boot from the CD. I know the system is capable of CD booting > as I have installed other distributions of linux on the machine. > > Are the CD?s (in particular CD1) bootable? If so, is there anyone else > that has encountered problems? > > I am new to the world of linux, so if there is information that would > be pertinent but I have failed to include, please let me know. > > Many thanks for any help you can offer. > > Luke > > ************************** > > Luke Maslany > > l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk > > Network Engineer > > Network Services > > Josiah Mason College > > ************************** > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From sdw2 at shineonline.co.nz Thu May 6 10:58:37 2004 From: sdw2 at shineonline.co.nz (Stephen) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:58:37 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla and proxy setup Message-ID: <409A1A5D.2080909@shineonline.co.nz> Hi All, Hope this helps someone - I saw the FAQ has a note requesting info on how to set up an LTSP with Mozilla. Till now I've edited /usr/lib/mozilla-1.xxxxx/defaults/pref/all.js. Inside all.js, search for "network.proxy" and edit the settings. Once you edit all.js, any new users that are created will inherit the proxy settings set in all.js (If you want to check what the settings should be, prior to editing all.js, add a new user, and then set up the Mozilla proxy. Then do a search on prefs.js in the .mozilla folder of the new user and see what Mozilla did) Here is another way I found today.. haven't used it yet. It also includes the preference for presetting the home page. http://developer.novell.com/research/appnotes/2003/january/04/a0301044.htm Regards Stephen From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu May 6 11:28:04 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 07:28:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> Bert Rolston wrote: >On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 13:17, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > >>Hi Bert, >> >>Take a look at your /var/log/XFree86.0.log for any error messages. >> >> su root >> tail -50 /var/log/XFree86.0.log | less >> >> > > >Thanks Terrell, > >Here are the results. > > > >>tail -50 /var/log/XFree86.0.log | less >> >> > >XFree86 Version 4.3.0 (Red Hat Linux release: 4.3.0-2) >Release Date: 27 February 2003 >X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 >Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20-3bigmem i686 [ELF] >Build Date: 27 February 2003 >Build Host: porky.devel.redhat.com > > Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/ > to make sure that you have the latest version. >Module Loader present >OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.20-8 (bhcompile at porky.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5)) #1 Thu Mar 13 17:54:28 EST 2003 >Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. >(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Thu May 6 12:35:09 2004 >(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config" >(==) ServerLayout "Default Layout" >(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) >(**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" >(**) | |-->Device "Videocard0" >(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" >(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" >(**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" >(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" >(**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" >(**) XKB: model: "pc105" >(**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" >(**) XKB: layout: "us" >(==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled >(**) |-->Input Device "DevInputMice" >(**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100" >(**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" >(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" >(--) using VT number 4 > > >Fatal server error: >xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 4 (Input/output error) > > >When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send >the full server output, not just the last messages. >This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". >Please report problems to xfree86 at xfree86.org. > >Any ideas? > >Bert > Now this is interesting, because, by default, XFree86 uses VT #7 instead of 4. Let's see if you actually have a VTY 4 running on your box. At your command prompt, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2, Ctrl-Alt-F3, etc. all the way through Ctrl-Alt-F7. You should see the "ttyx" part change numbers (e. g. tty1, tty2). Assuming that you do see them, try actually logging in at each one of them. Let us know how this goes. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu May 6 11:29:45 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 07:29:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] strange install error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <409A21A9.7000302@cmosnetworks.com> Joe Guenther wrote: >I am installing a new server and I continually get this error while >installing K12LTSP.. > >"An error occurred transferring the install image to your hard drive. You >are probably out of disk space." > >I have tried my K12LTSP 4.0 and the 4.0.1 CDs. This error does NOT occur >when installing WBEL. There is one hd ... a 20Gb Seagate IDE. > >not sure what is going on... > >Joe Guenther > How's your disk partitioned? --TP From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu May 6 12:22:34 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 08:22:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and Macintosh In-Reply-To: <200405052026.i45KQQT28961@downeast.net> References: <200405052026.i45KQQT28961@downeast.net> Message-ID: <409A2E0A.1020805@inlandlakes.org> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > gotta be a way to build a kernel with initrd that will boot from bootx on > a 5500.i have only used a mach kernel and mklinux booter on I've never built an initrd -- I assume there is a size limit, especially if it really loads into RAM. It would be nice to be able to NFS mount a partition with everything installed. Then, to change something, you'd only have to change it in one spot... I guess I should work on getting the NFS mounted system to work, and then work on getting an initrd to make it automatic. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From jfaletra at sau16.org Thu May 6 12:26:45 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 08:26:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Media Player Message-ID: Any recommendations for a media player? the typical stuff Real, Quicktime, Microgarbage, avi blah blah blah Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Thu May 6 14:41:39 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 14:41:39 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients not up to spec? Message-ID: <409A4EA3.6010903@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi Guys. We use thin clients that worked perfectly with K12 3.1.2. With K12 version 4, they reboot after a few minutes. They normally have 32MB of RAM, and after adding another 32MB they work perfectly. Does K12 v4 need better thin clients? And what causes this? We'd really like to stick with GNOME as far as possible, since that's what we use in documentation, etc. Any advice/input would be appreciated. Thanks and regards Jonathan From les at futuresource.com Thu May 6 12:55:37 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 07:55:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] strange install error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083848136.24879.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 23:29, Joe Guenther wrote: > I am installing a new server and I continually get this error while > installing K12LTSP.. > > "An error occurred transferring the install image to your hard drive. You > are probably out of disk space." > > I have tried my K12LTSP 4.0 and the 4.0.1 CDs. This error does NOT occur > when installing WBEL. There is one hd ... a 20Gb Seagate IDE. > > not sure what is going on... Have you tried either: linux cddma or linux allowcddma at the boot prompt of the install disk? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109462 --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tony.hadfield at baesystems.com Thu May 6 13:33:22 2004 From: tony.hadfield at baesystems.com (Tony Hadfield) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:33:22 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Probably a silly question but... Message-ID: <36CDE15C0BE1A84BB8595FE684FB8563091B98@baesystems.com> Hi, Can anyone tell me if K12LTSP 4.0.1 has support for dual CPU systems? i.e. Does it install and work on dual CPU systems straight from the CDs or does it require a little work? Regards, Tony Hadfield From troybanther at plateautel.net Thu May 6 13:35:58 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troybanther) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 07:35:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Uptime Joke Message-ID: <3990-22004546133558500@plateautel.net> Has anyone noticed the uptime on a 2k3 server is measured in seconds as opposed to days on a *nix server? Heh! Troy From les at futuresource.com Thu May 6 13:41:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 08:41:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Probably a silly question but... In-Reply-To: <36CDE15C0BE1A84BB8595FE684FB8563091B98@baesystems.com> References: <36CDE15C0BE1A84BB8595FE684FB8563091B98@baesystems.com> Message-ID: <1083850895.24879.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 08:33, Tony Hadfield wrote: > Can anyone tell me if K12LTSP 4.0.1 has support for dual CPU systems? > i.e. Does it install and work on dual CPU systems straight from the CDs or > does it require a little work? It works and should automatically install an smp kernel. However there is a bug that has a potential for lockup on mount/unmount operations on some systems. I don't know if this has been solved in the later kernel you will get with a 'yum update'. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tony.hadfield at baesystems.com Thu May 6 13:42:57 2004 From: tony.hadfield at baesystems.com (Tony Hadfield) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:42:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Probably a silly question but... Message-ID: <36CDE15C0BE1A84BB8595FE684FB8563091B9B@baesystems.com> Thanks Les Tony Hadfield IT Manager BAE SYSTEMS - Training Solutions Building 20A-1 Southmead Road Filton Bristol BS34 7RP tel. 0117 936 6004 fax. 0117 936 5076 -----Original Message----- From: Les Mikesell [mailto:les at futuresource.com] Sent: 06 May 2004 14:42 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Probably a silly question but... On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 08:33, Tony Hadfield wrote: > Can anyone tell me if K12LTSP 4.0.1 has support for dual CPU systems? > i.e. Does it install and work on dual CPU systems straight from the CDs or > does it require a little work? It works and should automatically install an smp kernel. However there is a bug that has a potential for lockup on mount/unmount operations on some systems. I don't know if this has been solved in the later kernel you will get with a 'yum update'. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From pantz at lqt.ca Thu May 6 14:03:11 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 10:03:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Media Player In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <409A459F.9030708@lqt.ca> Joe Faletra wrote: >Any recommendations for a media player? the typical stuff Real, >Quicktime, Microgarbage, avi blah blah blah > > mplayer or any xine-based players work well with almost all video codecs pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From a.nera at didasca.it Thu May 6 14:30:41 2004 From: a.nera at didasca.it (Angelo Nera) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 16:30:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Troubles with OpenOffice over 8 clients Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040506162256.01d4be10@pop.progettolazzaro.it> 1. Sylvain Phelippeaux - Wanadoo - wrote: > Hi, > my server : Athlon XP 2400 + RAM 1024 + Nforce2 + 2 LAN card (realtek > et linksys) > my clients (8) : Dell P166 with RAM 64, integrated LAN + integrated video > my LAN : Switch 100 mbs + all certified cables > But : my clients can't use properly Openoffice because, when they try > to use the horizontal bar, it's really slow... > What is the solution ? > ... 2. Dan Bo replied: > This is a known problem with OO.o. Menus are called > and give an error because of an X library. > Unfortunately, this library is called for every single > menu entry, which means that menu drawing is slow over > a thin client or other exported X session. This bug > has been fixed and will be eliminated in the next > version of OO.o. > I'm sorry that I don't have a link handy or more > specific information, but this is just memory from > reading /. > Dan 3. Here are two questions. A) Does anybody know whether this problem has been fixed with OOo 1.1.1 ? B) Does anybody know whether OOo 1.1.1 will be part of the K12LTSp 4.1 distribution ? Thanks for your answers. Angelo Nera --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIDASCA The First Italian Cyber Schools for Lifelong Learning Via Ragazzi del 99 n. 19 I-23100 Sondrio SO (Italy) T: +39 0342 513351 F: +39 0342 514953 U: http://www.didasca.it From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu May 6 14:33:23 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 08:33:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] strange install error In-Reply-To: <1083848136.24879.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Les, you are so WONDERFUL! Thanks for the tip. That was a real show-stopper. And I was so tired last night ... down on this thing till midnight... It worked with the older version 3.1.2 (Redhat 9), and with WBEL but would NOT go with Fedora. Your tip saved the day. SO let the games begin! Now to get my Adaptec SATA adapter to work in this darn thing..... :-( but at least the install to a normal IDE drive works. I can get on with the configuration and setup. MANY thanks joe On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 23:29, Joe Guenther wrote: > I am installing a new server and I continually get this error while > installing K12LTSP.. > > "An error occurred transferring the install image to your hard drive. You > are probably out of disk space." > > I have tried my K12LTSP 4.0 and the 4.0.1 CDs. This error does NOT occur > when installing WBEL. There is one hd ... a 20Gb Seagate IDE. > > not sure what is going on... Have you tried either: linux cddma or linux allowcddma at the boot prompt of the install disk? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109462 --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From patmo98 at yahoo.com Thu May 6 14:42:31 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 07:42:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients not up to spec? In-Reply-To: <409A4EA3.6010903@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <409A4EA3.6010903@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <409A4ED7.1050109@yahoo.com> Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi Guys. > > > > We use thin clients that worked perfectly with K12 3.1.2. With K12 > version 4, they reboot after a few minutes. They normally have 32MB of > RAM, and after adding another 32MB they work perfectly. > Do you have swap over NFS turned on? From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu May 6 14:58:33 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 10:58:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Troubles with OpenOffice over 8 clients In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040506162256.01d4be10@pop.progettolazzaro.it> References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040506162256.01d4be10@pop.progettolazzaro.it> Message-ID: <409A5299.30209@netscape.net> Hi We're using K12LTSP 4.01 with OO 1.1 running labs of 20 clients without a hitch. norbert a.nera at didasca.it wrote: > > 1. Sylvain Phelippeaux - Wanadoo - wrote: > > > Hi, > > my server : Athlon XP 2400 + RAM 1024 + Nforce2 + 2 LAN card (realtek > > et linksys) > > my clients (8) : Dell P166 with RAM 64, integrated LAN + integrated > video > > my LAN : Switch 100 mbs + all certified cables > > But : my clients can't use properly Openoffice because, when they try > > to use the horizontal bar, it's really slow... > > What is the solution ? > > ... > > 2. Dan Bo replied: > > > This is a known problem with OO.o. Menus are called > > and give an error because of an X library. > > Unfortunately, this library is called for every single > > menu entry, which means that menu drawing is slow over > > a thin client or other exported X session. This bug > > has been fixed and will be eliminated in the next > > version of OO.o. > > I'm sorry that I don't have a link handy or more > > specific information, but this is just memory from > > reading /. > > Dan > > 3. 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Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 From les at futuresource.com Thu May 6 16:21:31 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 11:21:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Media Player In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083860490.25422.139.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 07:26, Joe Faletra wrote: > Any recommendations for a media player? the typical stuff Real, > Quicktime, Microgarbage, avi blah blah blah Proprietary codecs are always a problem (and intentionally so...) but I like videolan client which will not only play most things but can stream over the network to copies running on other platforms. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Thu May 6 17:54:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 12:54:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] strange install error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083866045.25422.368.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 09:33, Joe Guenther wrote: > Now to get my Adaptec SATA adapter to work in this darn thing..... :-( We are close enough to fedora core 2 that you might as well wait and see if it works out of the box. Let me recommend the NFS install method as a time-saver again. I have an NFS export from my desktop machine that I use to install all redhat/fedora based systems. I just download the iso images of each new version into a directory and burn the first cd. Floppies will work, but it may take several to get the network and disk drivers you need. At the CD boot prompt, enter 'linux askmethod', then pick the NFS image method later and enter the NFS server and path to the directory of images. This is faster, avoids the cd dma issues, and you don't have to wait around to swap disks. You can start one at the end of the day, go home, and come back to a server ready to be booted. Fedora core2 has a USB-bootable image too but I couldn't get it to work in the test3 release. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 6 19:59:03 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:59:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Uptime Joke In-Reply-To: <3990-22004546133558500@plateautel.net> Message-ID: Actually, hundreds of days in *nix servers. . . DS On Thu, 6 May 2004, troybanther wrote: > > Has anyone noticed the uptime on a 2k3 server is measured in seconds > as opposed to days on a *nix server? > > Heh! > > Troy > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 6 21:24:25 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:24:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients that Work... Message-ID: <006b01c433b0$87fbbfe0$1803010a@paasda.org> I've just finished demo-ing 2 different thin clients. #1 was from http://www.affirmative.net/extrathin.html#mini it's the Yestation Mini, at $395 msrp it's a bit steep but maybe the power usage savings would offset cost a bit? *shrugs* Was also in touch with a vendor who said he could get them to me for $295, e-mail me for info, as I didn't request his permission to post his details to the list. Lovely little system that one as it's size and mere 10 watt power usage makes it quite attractive! As you can see on the website the client is small enough to fit on the back of a LCD screen or to the side of a CRT. #2 was from http://www.neoware.com The Capio One, at $199 it's a HARD deal to beat for a new thin client! Sharp looking silver metalic unit with clip-on base stand..this one pulls about 100 watts though. --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Thu May 6 21:21:46 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:21:46 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and Macintosh Message-ID: <200405062011.i46KBFH19090@downeast.net> e have skip gaede's plus bill_c has an initrd all built...and a kernel..just need to figure out how to enable it..chuck > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > gotta be a way to build a kernel with initrd that will boot from bootx on > > a 5500.i have only used a mach kernel and mklinux booter on > > I've never built an initrd -- I assume there is a size limit, especially > if it really loads into RAM. It would be nice to be able to NFS mount a > partition with everything installed. Then, to change something, you'd > only have to change it in one spot... > > I guess I should work on getting the NFS mounted system to work, and > then work on getting an initrd to make it automatic. > > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri May 7 00:11:18 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 18:11:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting off Konqueror Message-ID: <409AD426.1040101@elp.rr.com> Where is the Konqueror file located that I have to change prmissions on to shut it off. Thanks Pat From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri May 7 00:20:50 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 05:50:50 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: [ilugd] A new file uploaded at ILUG-D site] Message-ID: <1083889249.3287.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> As posted last week link for scribus tutorial from Delhi-LUG. Excellent replacement tool for page-maker. Sorry for top post. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux -----Forwarded Message----- > From: linuxlingam at bhairon.com > To: ilugd at lists.linux-delhi.org > Subject: [ilugd] A new file uploaded at ILUG-D site > Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 01:12:36 +0530 > > There is a new file uploaded at ILUG-D site and here are the details: > > Uploaded filename: ScribusScreenshotz.tar.gz > Size: 1516069 bytes > Comments: Get Started With Scribus. This tar.gz contains all the screenshots (*.gif and *.jpg) used to create the actual tutorial that was written in OpenOffice. Use if you wish to re-purpose this for a website or other media or any other use. Published under FDL. > > And, the link is > > [ http://www.linux-delhi.org/ilugd/../cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=downloads ] > > Thanks, > Linuxlingam > -------------------------------------------------- > This email is brought to you by http://www.linux-delhi.org/ , India Linux Users Group - Delhi. From troybanther at plateautel.net Thu May 6 20:42:11 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troybanther) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:42:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Uptime Joke Message-ID: <133650-22004546204211531@plateautel.net> Mr. Simpson: Do you have a "software or hardware repair form" that you use locally? I am thinking of creating one unless I can find one that I cold adapt locally? Troy From troybanther at plateautel.net Thu May 6 21:55:24 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troybanther) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 15:55:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux-based helpdesk software Message-ID: <309310-22004546215524437@plateautel.net> Is there any Linux-based or web-based Help Desk software? I am looking to find or create an IT-centered asset tracking or problem report type of database. I have searched the web until my eyeballs hurt but can only find extremely expensive software like this. I would welcome a simple OCalc, SCalc, or Excel sheet that does this without re-inveting the wheel. Troy Banther http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Thu May 6 21:33:43 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:33:43 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients that Work... In-Reply-To: <006b01c433b0$87fbbfe0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 May 2004, Huck wrote: > Yestation Mini, 10 watts. > The Capio One, 100 watts. Power is becoming a big factor at my school. Anyone know how these compare with the LTSP Term 150 and HP t5000 series at http://disklessworkstation.com/ --Peter From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri May 7 00:40:08 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 10:40:08 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux-based helpdesk software Message-ID: "troybanther" wrote: >> Is there any Linux-based or web-based Help Desk software? I am looking to find or create an IT-centered asset tracking or problem report type of database. << We're using IRM (http://www.stackworks.net/view.php/irm/index.html). It's PHP, installs easily. A few rough edges, but the basic functionality is there. It needs a bit of work customising reports, though. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From troybanther at plateautel.net Fri May 7 01:56:13 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 19:56:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux-based helpdesk software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083894972.4572.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thank you! On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 18:40, Les Bell wrote: > "troybanther" wrote: > > >> > Is there any Linux-based or web-based Help Desk software? I am > looking to find or create an IT-centered asset tracking or problem > report type of database. > << > > We're using IRM (http://www.stackworks.net/view.php/irm/index.html). It's > PHP, installs easily. A few rough edges, but the basic functionality is > there. It needs a bit of work customising reports, though. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- troy banther - fedora core linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri May 7 02:08:11 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:08:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Free Software ISP-style web hosting app? Message-ID: <409AEF8B.4050806@cmosnetworks.com> Hello folks, The Business Dept. in my district has an idea to teach kids how to build Web sites, complete with cgi-bin and MySQL, and they wish to present the students with an "real-live ISP like" Web server to do this on. To my surprise and delight, they have decided to use GNU/Linux for this! They have already purchased RHEL for this purpose and have asked me to install it. There's an app out there called cPanel that apparently ISPs use to make it very easy for customers to administer their MySQL databases, install their cgi scripts, do email, etc. Our business dept. is looking for an app like that, and the reason is that they want the students to be able to make Web sites, again, as if they were doing it on a "real" Web hosting system, and also the administrator of this system will be a business teacher (read: not me). Is anyone aware of a web hosting "control panel" that runs in a GUI and is Free Software? I had suggested Webmin to the guy running this pilot, and he's aware of it, but Webmin is for sysadmins. This cPanel app also handles the "customers" (students, in this case). So why not just go with cPanel? It's because cPanel requires a boatload of TCP and UDP ports to be opened wide from the outside through the district firewall (cPanel, Inc. says it's for license compliance verification), and the firewall administrator is, rightly, not about to allow that to happen. Thanks in advance, --TP From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri May 7 02:19:47 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 12:19:47 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Free Software ISP-style web hosting app? Message-ID: "Terrell Prude', Jr." wrote: >> Is anyone aware of a web hosting "control panel" that runs in a GUI and is Free Software? I had suggested Webmin to the guy running this pilot, and he's aware of it, but Webmin is for sysadmins. << I haven't used it, but isn't this what the "VirtualMin" version of Webmin does? At least, that's the impression I got from the discussion of it I've seen on the Webmin mailing list. A rummage on the Webmin site (http://www.webmin.com) should confirm or deny this rumour. . . ;) Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri May 7 02:14:07 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:14:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Free Software ISP-style web hosting app? In-Reply-To: <409AEF8B.4050806@cmosnetworks.com> References: <409AEF8B.4050806@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <409AF0EF.1070308@cfl.rr.com> Webmin has a sibling package called Usermin, and can be installed from within the Webmin configuration modules. Usermin allows the users to get to their data alone without having elevated priveledges. It's like portal for users on a linux system. Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Hello folks, > > The Business Dept. in my district has an idea to teach kids how to > build Web sites, complete with cgi-bin and MySQL, and they wish to > present the students with an "real-live ISP like" Web server to do > this on. To my surprise and delight, they have decided to use > GNU/Linux for this! They have already purchased RHEL for this purpose > and have asked me to install it. > > There's an app out there called cPanel that apparently ISPs use to > make it very easy for customers to administer their MySQL databases, > install their cgi scripts, do email, etc. Our business dept. is > looking for an app like that, and the reason is that they want the > students to be able to make Web sites, again, as if they were doing it > on a "real" Web hosting system, and also the administrator of this > system will be a business teacher (read: not me). > > Is anyone aware of a web hosting "control panel" that runs in a GUI > and is Free Software? I had suggested Webmin to the guy running this > pilot, and he's aware of it, but Webmin is for sysadmins. This cPanel > app also handles the "customers" (students, in this case). So why not > just go with cPanel? It's because cPanel requires a boatload of TCP > and UDP ports to be opened wide from the outside through the district > firewall (cPanel, Inc. says it's for license compliance verification), > and the firewall administrator is, rightly, not about to allow that to > happen. > > Thanks in advance, > > --TP > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri May 7 02:15:45 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:15:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Media Player In-Reply-To: <001d01c43380$ec5265f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001d01c43380$ec5265f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <409AF151.5090001@cmosnetworks.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >[Snip] > > >>mplayer or any xine-based players work well with almost all >> >> > >I had trouble with Xine playing mp3 formats, is there a workaround for >this? Otherwise I liked Xine a lot. > > That will be a problem on any Red Hat distro from 8.0 on. The reason for this is that there are patent questions with the mp3 format, and Red Hat opted instead to leave out mp3 support and instead get behind Ogg Vorbis (http://www.redhat.com/advice/speaks_80mm.html). Red Hat, fortunately, gives us links to pages that tell us how to install mp3 functionality. --TP From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri May 7 02:17:19 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:17:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Free Software ISP-style web hosting app? In-Reply-To: <409AF0EF.1070308@cfl.rr.com> References: <409AEF8B.4050806@cmosnetworks.com> <409AF0EF.1070308@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <409AF1AF.6020607@cfl.rr.com> http://www.webmin.com/index6.html Brian Chase wrote: > Webmin has a sibling package called Usermin, and can be installed from > within the Webmin configuration modules. Usermin allows the users to > get to their data alone without having elevated priveledges. It's > like portal for users on a linux system. > > Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > >> Hello folks, >> >> The Business Dept. in my district has an idea to teach kids how to >> build Web sites, complete with cgi-bin and MySQL, and they wish to >> present the students with an "real-live ISP like" Web server to do >> this on. To my surprise and delight, they have decided to use >> GNU/Linux for this! They have already purchased RHEL for this >> purpose and have asked me to install it. >> >> There's an app out there called cPanel that apparently ISPs use to >> make it very easy for customers to administer their MySQL databases, >> install their cgi scripts, do email, etc. Our business dept. is >> looking for an app like that, and the reason is that they want the >> students to be able to make Web sites, again, as if they were doing >> it on a "real" Web hosting system, and also the administrator of this >> system will be a business teacher (read: not me). >> >> Is anyone aware of a web hosting "control panel" that runs in a GUI >> and is Free Software? I had suggested Webmin to the guy running this >> pilot, and he's aware of it, but Webmin is for sysadmins. This >> cPanel app also handles the "customers" (students, in this case). So >> why not just go with cPanel? It's because cPanel requires a boatload >> of TCP and UDP ports to be opened wide from the outside through the >> district firewall (cPanel, Inc. says it's for license compliance >> verification), and the firewall administrator is, rightly, not about >> to allow that to happen. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> --TP >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lists at misato.us Fri May 7 02:19:07 2004 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:19:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting off Konqueror In-Reply-To: <409AD426.1040101@elp.rr.com> References: <409AD426.1040101@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1083896347.1108.46.camel@localhost> John - Try `which konqueror` in a term... it should give a file location which you want to run `chmod -x ` on. Jason On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 20:11, John P. Conlon wrote: > Where is the Konqueror file located that I have to change prmissions on > to shut it off. > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ################################################################## || Jason Straw - misato at misato.us Quality Control and Distro || || Rice Box Fansubs www.rice-box.net || aozora fansubs || || Sugar Cube Fansubs www.sugar-cube.org || || GPG Key ID -- pgp.mit.edu -- D662C649 || ################################################################## From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Fri May 7 02:27:04 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 14:27:04 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Terrell, Only works on the F2 & F3 keys. However, if I press the ENTER key on screens F1, F4 - F7 THEN I get a login prompt. I can login as root but startx doesn't work. I get the same error message. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 23:28, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 13:17, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > > > > >>Hi Bert, > >> > >>Take a look at your /var/log/XFree86.0.log for any error messages. > >> > >> su root > >> tail -50 /var/log/XFree86.0.log | less > >> > >> > > > > > >Thanks Terrell, > > > >Here are the results. > > > > > > > >>tail -50 /var/log/XFree86.0.log | less > >> > >> > > > >XFree86 Version 4.3.0 (Red Hat Linux release: 4.3.0-2) > >Release Date: 27 February 2003 > >X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 > >Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20-3bigmem i686 [ELF] > >Build Date: 27 February 2003 > >Build Host: porky.devel.redhat.com > > > > Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/ > > to make sure that you have the latest version. > >Module Loader present > >OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.20-8 (bhcompile at porky.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5)) #1 Thu Mar 13 17:54:28 EST 2003 > >Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. > >(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Thu May 6 12:35:09 2004 > >(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config" > >(==) ServerLayout "Default Layout" > >(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) > >(**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" > >(**) | |-->Device "Videocard0" > >(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" > >(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" > >(**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" > >(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" > >(**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > >(**) XKB: model: "pc105" > >(**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" > >(**) XKB: layout: "us" > >(==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled > >(**) |-->Input Device "DevInputMice" > >(**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100" > >(**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" > >(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" > >(--) using VT number 4 > > > > > >Fatal server error: > >xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 4 (Input/output error) > > > > > >When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send > >the full server output, not just the last messages. > >This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". > >Please report problems to xfree86 at xfree86.org. > > > >Any ideas? > > > >Bert > > > > Now this is interesting, because, by default, XFree86 uses VT #7 instead > of 4. Let's see if you actually have a VTY 4 running on your box. At > your command prompt, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2, Ctrl-Alt-F3, etc. all the way > through Ctrl-Alt-F7. You should see the "ttyx" part change numbers (e. > g. tty1, tty2). Assuming that you do see them, try actually logging in > at each one of them. Let us know how this goes. > > --TP > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri May 7 02:36:06 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:36:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux-based helpdesk software In-Reply-To: <1083894972.4572.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1083894972.4572.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1662.66.138.175.74.1083897366.squirrel@66.138.175.74> IRM is good. You should check out this one too though: http://helpdesk.oneorzero.com/ -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Fri May 7 02:35:37 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 14:35:37 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Uptime Joke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083897140.1238.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> Yeah, Have you ever seen thousands of days uptime? Novell recorded a Netware 3.xx server with over 3000 days uptime. This used to be on the Novell website. The server rolled over into the new millenium without a hitch! I'm sure there are *nix server that could match or surpass this. Cheers, Bert On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 07:59, Doug Simpson wrote: > Actually, hundreds of days in *nix servers. . . > > DS > > On Thu, 6 May 2004, troybanther wrote: > > > > > Has anyone noticed the uptime on a 2k3 server is measured in seconds > > as opposed to days on a *nix server? > > > > Heh! > > > > Troy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From troybanther at plateautel.net Fri May 7 02:34:12 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 20:34:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux-based helpdesk software In-Reply-To: <1662.66.138.175.74.1083897366.squirrel@66.138.175.74> References: <1083894972.4572.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1662.66.138.175.74.1083897366.squirrel@66.138.175.74> Message-ID: <1083897252.4572.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thank you! On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 20:36, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > IRM is good. You should check out this one too though: > > http://helpdesk.oneorzero.com/ -- troy banther - fedora core linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From les at futuresource.com Fri May 7 03:39:19 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:39:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux-based helpdesk software In-Reply-To: <309310-22004546215524437@plateautel.net> References: <309310-22004546215524437@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <1083901158.26491.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 16:55, troybanther wrote: > Is there any Linux-based or web-based Help Desk software? I am > looking to find or create an IT-centered asset tracking or problem > report type of database. > > I have searched the web until my eyeballs hurt but can only find > extremely expensive software like this. Request Tracker is more of a trouble-ticket and knowledge base system but it is very good if you want to allow requests by email to automatically go into database queues that groups of people can track and resolve. It is a little tricky to set up because it needs the latest mysql or postgresql versions, a bunch of perl modules, and on systems with apache 2.x you need to run fastcgi instead of mod_perl but I'm in the process of upgrading and am far enough along to know it all works with a fedora base and isn't too slow after importing about 25,000 tickets from the old version. http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Fri May 7 03:50:08 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 23:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Novell and LTSP Message-ID: "Will Novell adopt the LTSP project?" That was the question yesterday on Slashdot. Well, it turns out that Novell is indeed working on a thin client solution, and based on my conversation today with Nat Friedman, it is definately based on LTSP. What this means is that Novell has recognized the value that LTSP brings to the market, and that rather than re-invent the wheel, they want to help us prepare LTSP for the enterprise. Nat says that they want to help with features such as security and local device support. And, he assured me that they want to work with us, to make sure that it all works smoothly and it will be done in an open way. Initially, I didn't know how I should react to this. As the day went on, I had a concern that maybe Novell would attempt to take control of the project. I suppose that's a natural reaction. After talking with Nat, a couple of Novell engineers, a few people who were at the Novell dog-n-pony show on tuesday, and some friends, my attitude is that of pride. Pride in the fact that what we have been working on for the past 5 years or so has been recognized by one of the largest software companies in the world and they see potential in what we have created. I for one, am impressed by what Novell is doing with Ximian and SUSE. LTSP is NOT what I do for a living. It's my hobby and my passion. It just amazes me that a bunch of people can get together in their spare time and create something that can have such an impact on the world. Right now, there are schools all over the world using LTSP to deliver computing to children who would otherwise not have it. There are people in Brazil, some of whom are homeless, without a street address, but they have an email address, because LTSP was used by the government in what is called the 'Telecentros'. There are small companies popping up all over the world, by people who believe they can make an honest living by deploying Linux and LTSP based solutions in schools and libraries, government agencies and businesses, such as doctors and lawyers and architects and hardware stores and heck, the list goes on and on. To me, that is so cool. At this point, I'm very interested in what Novell can offer to our little project. At the very least, they are helping to legitimize it. Anyway, back to work. LTSP-4.1 isn't gonna finish itself :) Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Fri May 7 07:32:24 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 07:32:24 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients not up to spec? In-Reply-To: <409A4ED7.1050109@yahoo.com> References: <409A4EA3.6010903@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <409A4ED7.1050109@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <409B3B88.1060900@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Patrick Mohr wrote: > Jonathan Carter wrote: > >> Hi Guys. >> >> >> >> We use thin clients that worked perfectly with K12 3.1.2. With K12 >> version 4, they reboot after a few minutes. They normally have 32MB of >> RAM, and after adding another 32MB they work perfectly. >> > Do you have swap over NFS turned on? I don't think so. I think I've seen the options in the lts.conf file before. How do I enable it? Thanks Jonathan From wesley at tsf.org.za Fri May 7 06:08:11 2004 From: wesley at tsf.org.za (Wesley J Breytenbach) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 08:08:11 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk Message-ID: <1083910091.2792.154.camel@server.ltsp> Good Day to everyone on the K12OS Mailing List! My name is Wesley Breytenbach, I'm from Cape Town South Africa and I work for The Shuttleworth Foundation. I have been left in charge of setting up a Help Desk to answer questions on Linux, Distros, Installations, Technical Support, Networking and so on and so on (and not forgetting SLUG {Schools Linux Users Group} of which I'm a Founder and Committee Member}). Staying with the spirit of Open Source and Linux {and all things good} I would like to ask if you could suggest some Linux programs for a Help Desk. Something that can be customized (for ALL the various needs, as mentioned above, and more) and freely distributed. These two requirements are crucial because of SLUG. Schools Linux User Group has been established for just over a year now. We all ready have people in many various countries wanting to adopt the concept of SLUG in which volunteers go to disadvantage schools and install a thin client network of 20 computers and 1 Super Server. We are currently running Fedora K12 in 32 schools and plan on doing 80 schools by the end of Feb 2005 (no small task). So as you can see we will be receiving a large number a phone calls from schools for telephonic support, especial seen that more than 90% of the pupils and teachers have neva had ANY computer exposer (yep not evn M$...Thank Goodness ;) I don't have any Help Desk experience nor have any knowledge of a Help Desk program for Linux. So any help in these areas would be greatly appreciated. Even if its just a little encouragement :) The Greatest of Thanks (to all who help) Your Fellow Linux Lover Wesley Breytenbach South Africa Cape Town From tony.hadfield at baesystems.com Fri May 7 07:54:05 2004 From: tony.hadfield at baesystems.com (Tony Hadfield) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 08:54:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk Message-ID: <36CDE15C0BE1A84BB8595FE684FB8563091B9F@baesystems.com> Wesley, There are a large number of open source projects for helpdesk. Most of them are web apps with some sort of database behind them. Check out some of these: http://helpdesk.oneorzero.com/ http://hotopentickets.sourceforge.net/ http://helpdesk.centralmanclc.com/ http://phphelpdesk.sourceforge.net/ I hope this helps. Tony Hadfield -----Original Message----- From: Wesley J Breytenbach [mailto:wesley at tsf.org.za] Sent: 07 May 2004 07:08 To: K12OS MailListings Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk Good Day to everyone on the K12OS Mailing List! My name is Wesley Breytenbach, I'm from Cape Town South Africa and I work for The Shuttleworth Foundation. I have been left in charge of setting up a Help Desk to answer questions on Linux, Distros, Installations, Technical Support, Networking and so on and so on (and not forgetting SLUG {Schools Linux Users Group} of which I'm a Founder and Committee Member}). Staying with the spirit of Open Source and Linux {and all things good} I would like to ask if you could suggest some Linux programs for a Help Desk. Something that can be customized (for ALL the various needs, as mentioned above, and more) and freely distributed. These two requirements are crucial because of SLUG. Schools Linux User Group has been established for just over a year now. We all ready have people in many various countries wanting to adopt the concept of SLUG in which volunteers go to disadvantage schools and install a thin client network of 20 computers and 1 Super Server. We are currently running Fedora K12 in 32 schools and plan on doing 80 schools by the end of Feb 2005 (no small task). So as you can see we will be receiving a large number a phone calls from schools for telephonic support, especial seen that more than 90% of the pupils and teachers have neva had ANY computer exposer (yep not evn M$...Thank Goodness ;) I don't have any Help Desk experience nor have any knowledge of a Help Desk program for Linux. So any help in these areas would be greatly appreciated. Even if its just a little encouragement :) The Greatest of Thanks (to all who help) Your Fellow Linux Lover Wesley Breytenbach South Africa Cape Town _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri May 7 08:18:57 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 13:48:57 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell and LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083917634.29282.5.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 09:20, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > After talking with Nat, a couple of Novell engineers, a few people > who were at the Novell dog-n-pony show on tuesday, and some friends, > my attitude is that of pride. Pride in the fact that what we have been > working on for the past 5 years or so has been recognized by one of > the largest software companies in the world and they see potential > in what we have created. Congratulations this here indeed is a project that is going to be successful. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk Fri May 7 09:58:42 2004 From: l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 10:58:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 Message-ID: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE0@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Rather than posting multiple times, I'm trying to reply to you all... Matt: Thanks for confirming that the CD's do actually boot - I thought I was missing something! Les: Thanks again for confirming that the CD's boot. I too have been looking at booting from USB - although I think in my case I should learn how standard installation paths work first!! I'm still new to the world of linux. Duane: I can't tell you how worried I was when I read that - I thought I'd have to post to say I had copied the ISO... :) Doug: The CD's were downloaded. As I mentioned above, I did burn the image rather than just the ISO file to disc. I was worried I had got it wrong though! Calvin: The CDR's are rated for 52x burn, but the most my writer will do is 16x anyway! :) Chris: I haven't got a CD writer on the test machine, but thanks for the script - it'll make things easier if Linux kicks off here (my organisation rather than a Linux forum... :) ). Mark: I have just tried this and the CD's boot successfully. After ruling out problems with the machine (or so I thought), my assumption was that the discs were at fault. I am at a loss. The CD's still will not boot on the test machine, even though other distributions boot successfully, using the same CDR's, burned at the same speed. For now I will just use a different machine. Thanks to all of you for your help. Luke Maslany ************************** Luke Maslany l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk ************************** -----Original Message----- From: Luke Maslany Sent: 05 May 2004 19:00 To: csitech at davisny.edu; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 Thanks for the reply. No insult taken. I have checked the BIOS just in case... :) As I mentioned in my email though, I have successfully booted a number of other operating systems including SUSE, Debian, Gentoo and SmoothWall - all using the same machine with the same boot order and BIOS configuration. I have also tried downloading the images from three different servers (although this was a pointless gesture I suppose as the md5 checks were all the same), made at least two copies of each ISO set and two different sorts of CDR. I was really hoping someone had experienced the same problems!! :) Luke ************************** Luke Maslany l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk ************************** -----Original Message----- From: Calvin Park, ADCS [mailto:csitech at davisny.edu] Sent: 05 May 2004 18:40 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 I'm pretty sure the CD's are bootable. You shouldn't have any trouble booting based on the system specs. With only 128MB you might need to initialize the SWAP partition right away, but I'm not sure. It should ask you to do that after it has booted though. Not to insult you, but have you checked the BIOS to be sure that it is set to boot from CD as the first option in the sequence (or second option if you want it to check the floppy drive first)? -Calvin On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 12:47, Luke Maslany wrote: > I discovered K12 LSTP only a few days ago and I have been eager to > install it and I have downloaded the K12 LSTP 4.0.1 iso?s. I have > verified all of the md5 hashes. > > > > Unfortunately, I cannot get the system (a PII 266, 128Mb RAM, 40Gb > HDD) to boot from the CD. I know the system is capable of CD booting > as I have installed other distributions of linux on the machine. > > > > Are the CD?s (in particular CD1) bootable? If so, is there anyone > else that has encountered problems? > > > > > > I am new to the world of linux, so if there is information that would > be pertinent but I have failed to include, please let me know. > > > > Many thanks for any help you can offer. > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > ************************** > > Luke Maslany > > l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk > > Network Engineer > > Network Services > > Josiah Mason College > > ************************** > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk Fri May 7 10:37:26 2004 From: l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 11:37:26 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? Message-ID: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE1@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> It would seem that Incredimail has got everywhere! We solved the problem by reminding them that it breached the Corporate Identity Policy. Apparently security and stability are not sufficient deterrents... Quite amusing really as the person that wrote it was the same person that introduced incredimail to the college in the first place! Luke ************************** Luke Maslany l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk ************************** -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hays [mailto:haysja at sages.us] Sent: 30 April 2004 18:45 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? Amen to Huck on both issues. I prefer top posting as well. I don't want to re-read all of the reponses to a message to get to the new information. Also, ditto on Incredimail. We have one particular person who thinks the "have" to have it. We have more problems with her machine that any other - by far. I only wish I could prove that Incredimail was the culprit. :) Quoting Huck : > Bottom Posting... > > Personally I prefer top posting.. > because if I'm following an issue I've likely already read all that > stuff that is at the top at least once. > and prefer to not have to scroll to read others' feedback. > Especially when I've been out of the office for a few days and come back > to a flooded inbox =) > > --Huck > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Henry Hartley > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:43 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] No flames: Why use M$ offerings? > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sudev Barar [mailto:sudev at mantraonline.com] > >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:17 PM > >> > >> Accidentally by leaving show all headers option I discover many > >> ardent K12LTSP supporters using M$ mail clients .... ahemmmmm .... > >> practise what we preach? Even if you are using OS environment that is > > >> beyond your control FLOSS / Free mail clients could be a way of > >> showing your support. > > I would like nothing more than to stop using MS Outlook for mail. The > unfortunate reality is that where I work, not only is my OS not my own, > but the applications I run belong to the company. Oh, they turn a blind > eye when some of us developers install software (like Firefox, GIMP, > etc) but even that is strictly against company policy. Furthermore, if > I don't keep my Outlook calendar up to date with meetings and schedule, > my boss is less than happy with me. I suppose that if I *really* cared > about open source, I'd go work somewhere else but frankly, I don't care > *that* much. Hey, I just want to get my job done. > > I do try hard to make my Outlook mail as palatable as possible. I bottom > post (which is harder in Outlook than it ought to be), I trim, I quote > and I post in plain text whenever possible (at least I think I do. > Please tell me if this is not as clean as it should be and I'll do what > I can to be more responsible). > > In any case, don't assume that we can all just do what we want. > > -- > Henry Hartley > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jam at McQuil.Com Fri May 7 03:50:08 2004 From: jam at McQuil.Com (jam at McQuil.Com) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 23:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] [Ltsp-discuss] Novell and LTSP Message-ID: "Will Novell adopt the LTSP project?" That was the question yesterday on Slashdot. Well, it turns out that Novell is indeed working on a thin client solution, and based on my conversation today with Nat Friedman, it is definately based on LTSP. What this means is that Novell has recognized the value that LTSP brings to the market, and that rather than re-invent the wheel, they want to help us prepare LTSP for the enterprise. Nat says that they want to help with features such as security and local device support. And, he assured me that they want to work with us, to make sure that it all works smoothly and it will be done in an open way. Initially, I didn't know how I should react to this. As the day went on, I had a concern that maybe Novell would attempt to take control of the project. I suppose that's a natural reaction. After talking with Nat, a couple of Novell engineers, a few people who were at the Novell dog-n-pony show on tuesday, and some friends, my attitude is that of pride. Pride in the fact that what we have been working on for the past 5 years or so has been recognized by one of the largest software companies in the world and they see potential in what we have created. I for one, am impressed by what Novell is doing with Ximian and SUSE. LTSP is NOT what I do for a living. It's my hobby and my passion. It just amazes me that a bunch of people can get together in their spare time and create something that can have such an impact on the world. Right now, there are schools all over the world using LTSP to deliver computing to children who would otherwise not have it. There are people in Brazil, some of whom are homeless, without a street address, but they have an email address, because LTSP was used by the government in what is called the 'Telecentros'. There are small companies popping up all over the world, by people who believe they can make an honest living by deploying Linux and LTSP based solutions in schools and libraries, government agencies and businesses, such as doctors and lawyers and architects and hardware stores and heck, the list goes on and on. To me, that is so cool. At this point, I'm very interested in what Novell can offer to our little project. At the very least, they are helping to legitimize it. Anyway, back to work. LTSP-4.1 isn't gonna finish itself :) Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Sleepycat Software Learn developer strategies Cisco, Motorola, Ericsson & Lucent use to deliver higher performing products faster, at low TCO. http://www.sleepycat.com/telcomwpreg.php?From=osdnemail3 _____________________________________________________________________ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri May 7 11:55:14 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 07:55:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> I just took a look at two of mine. One's running K12LTSP 2.1.2, and the other's running K12LTSP 3.1.2. Here's what I get, in both cases (only the dates differ): -bash-2.05b$ ls -l tty? crw--w---- 1 root root 4, 0 Jan 30 2003 tty0 crw------- 1 root root 4, 1 May 3 09:47 tty1 crw------- 1 root root 4, 2 May 3 09:47 tty2 crw------- 1 root root 4, 3 May 3 09:47 tty3 crw------- 1 root root 4, 4 May 3 09:47 tty4 crw------- 1 root root 4, 5 May 3 09:47 tty5 crw------- 1 root root 4, 6 May 3 09:47 tty6 crw--w---- 1 root root 4, 7 Apr 30 16:16 tty7 crw--w---- 1 root tty 4, 8 Jan 30 2003 tty8 crw--w---- 1 root tty 4, 9 Jan 30 2003 tty9 -bash-2.05b$ Notice that I have a "tty7" entry, and also notice the permissions on it. My Mandrake 9.2 box also goes up to tty9, BTW. Since your listing stopped at tty6, we have one of two options that I can think of to try out. 1.) Make a new device node for tty7. That's kinda ugly, and I'll have to go remind myself how to do it (it's been a while). 2.) Try changing permissions on one of the other tty's to match what my tty7 has on it. Given that the UID and GID are both root, it shouldn't make a difference, but it's worth a shot. I'd try it with tty's 4 and 6 first, since that's what your XFree86.0.log file shows that X11 is trying before it dies. If 2.) doesn't do the trick, then let us know, and I'll go dust off how to make device nodes. :-) --TP Bert Rolston wrote: >Hi Terrell, > >Only works on the F2 & F3 keys. > >However, if I press the ENTER key on screens F1, F4 - F7 THEN I get a >login prompt. > >I can login as root but startx doesn't work. I get the same error >message. > >Cheers, >Bert > > > >On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 23:28, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > >>Now this is interesting, because, by default, XFree86 uses VT #7 instead >>of 4. Let's see if you actually have a VTY 4 running on your box. At >>your command prompt, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2, Ctrl-Alt-F3, etc. all the way >>through Ctrl-Alt-F7. You should see the "ttyx" part change numbers (e. >>g. tty1, tty2). Assuming that you do see them, try actually logging in >>at each one of them. Let us know how this goes. >> >>--TP >> >> >> From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Fri May 7 11:55:32 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 07:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk In-Reply-To: <1083910091.2792.154.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1083910091.2792.154.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <33006.10.20.1.133.1083930932.squirrel@postoffice> We looked at several over the last couple of years and installed three different ones. The final concensous was HelpDesk Issue Manager at http://helpdesk.centralmanclc.com/index.php It's not too complicated and gets the job done. Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri May 7 12:12:03 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 08:12:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <409B7D13.3060408@cmosnetworks.com> Addendum to this; call it #1.5) in my "things to try" below. Check out your /etc/inittab file, and look for the line with tty6 in it. It should look like this: 6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 Comment that line out. Then, do one of two things: A.) reboot, or B.) change to runlevel 1, then back to runlevel 5 and let us know how things go. --TP Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > I just took a look at two of mine. One's running K12LTSP 2.1.2, and > the other's running K12LTSP 3.1.2. Here's what I get, in both cases > (only the dates differ): > > -bash-2.05b$ ls -l tty? > crw--w---- 1 root root 4, 0 Jan 30 2003 tty0 > crw------- 1 root root 4, 1 May 3 09:47 tty1 > crw------- 1 root root 4, 2 May 3 09:47 tty2 > crw------- 1 root root 4, 3 May 3 09:47 tty3 > crw------- 1 root root 4, 4 May 3 09:47 tty4 > crw------- 1 root root 4, 5 May 3 09:47 tty5 > crw------- 1 root root 4, 6 May 3 09:47 tty6 > crw--w---- 1 root root 4, 7 Apr 30 16:16 tty7 > crw--w---- 1 root tty 4, 8 Jan 30 2003 tty8 > crw--w---- 1 root tty 4, 9 Jan 30 2003 tty9 > -bash-2.05b$ > > Notice that I have a "tty7" entry, and also notice the permissions on > it. My Mandrake 9.2 box also goes up to tty9, BTW. Since your > listing stopped at tty6, we have one of two options that I can think > of to try out. > > 1.) Make a new device node for tty7. That's kinda ugly, and I'll > have to go remind myself how to do it (it's been a while). > > 2.) Try changing permissions on one of the other tty's to match what > my tty7 has on it. Given that the UID and GID are both root, it > shouldn't make a difference, but it's worth a shot. I'd try it with > tty's 4 and 6 first, since that's what your XFree86.0.log file shows > that X11 is trying before it dies. > > If 2.) doesn't do the trick, then let us know, and I'll go dust off > how to make device nodes. :-) > > --TP > > > Bert Rolston wrote: > >> Hi Terrell, >> >> Only works on the F2 & F3 keys. >> >> However, if I press the ENTER key on screens F1, F4 - F7 THEN I get a >> login prompt. >> >> I can login as root but startx doesn't work. I get the same error >> message. >> >> Cheers, >> Bert >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 23:28, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >> >> >>> Now this is interesting, because, by default, XFree86 uses VT #7 >>> instead of 4. Let's see if you actually have a VTY 4 running on >>> your box. At your command prompt, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2, Ctrl-Alt-F3, >>> etc. all the way through Ctrl-Alt-F7. You should see the "ttyx" >>> part change numbers (e. g. tty1, tty2). Assuming that you do see >>> them, try actually logging in at each one of them. Let us know how >>> this goes. >>> >>> --TP >>> >>> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri May 7 12:13:47 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 08:13:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Free Software ISP-style web hosting app? In-Reply-To: <409AF1AF.6020607@cfl.rr.com> References: <409AEF8B.4050806@cmosnetworks.com> <409AF0EF.1070308@cfl.rr.com> <409AF1AF.6020607@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <409B7D7B.2050003@cmosnetworks.com> Thanks to all, and I will give this (and Les's suggestion of Virtualmin) a try. --TP Brian Chase wrote: > http://www.webmin.com/index6.html > > Brian Chase wrote: > >> Webmin has a sibling package called Usermin, and can be installed >> from within the Webmin configuration modules. Usermin allows the >> users to get to their data alone without having elevated >> priveledges. It's like portal for users on a linux system. >> >> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >> >>> Hello folks, >>> >>> The Business Dept. in my district has an idea to teach kids how to >>> build Web sites, complete with cgi-bin and MySQL, and they wish to >>> present the students with an "real-live ISP like" Web server to do >>> this on. To my surprise and delight, they have decided to use >>> GNU/Linux for this! They have already purchased RHEL for this >>> purpose and have asked me to install it. >>> >>> There's an app out there called cPanel that apparently ISPs use to >>> make it very easy for customers to administer their MySQL databases, >>> install their cgi scripts, do email, etc. Our business dept. is >>> looking for an app like that, and the reason is that they want the >>> students to be able to make Web sites, again, as if they were doing >>> it on a "real" Web hosting system, and also the administrator of >>> this system will be a business teacher (read: not me). >>> >>> Is anyone aware of a web hosting "control panel" that runs in a GUI >>> and is Free Software? I had suggested Webmin to the guy running >>> this pilot, and he's aware of it, but Webmin is for sysadmins. This >>> cPanel app also handles the "customers" (students, in this case). >>> So why not just go with cPanel? It's because cPanel requires a >>> boatload of TCP and UDP ports to be opened wide from the outside >>> through the district firewall (cPanel, Inc. says it's for license >>> compliance verification), and the firewall administrator is, >>> rightly, not about to allow that to happen. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> --TP >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 7 13:30:51 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 08:30:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients that Work... In-Reply-To: <006b01c433b0$87fbbfe0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <000001c43437$87d5d500$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [Snip] > The Capio One, at $199 it's a HARD deal to beat for a new thin client! > Sharp looking silver metalic unit with clip-on base stand..this one pulls > about 100 watts though. In reading the description it looks like the Capio One for $199 only boots Citrix systems, you need to upgrade to the Capio One Multi Session for Linux which takes the price to $299. But then again maybe I am missing something as usual :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.678 / Virus Database: 440 - Release Date: 5/6/2004 From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 7 13:31:55 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 08:31:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux-based helpdesk software In-Reply-To: <309310-22004546215524437@plateautel.net> References: <309310-22004546215524437@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <409B8FCB.30006@maltzen.net> Go to freshmeat.net and search for 'help desk'; I found 29 projects. Petre troybanther wrote: > Is there any Linux-based or web-based Help Desk software? I am > looking to find or create an IT-centered asset tracking or problem > report type of database. > > I have searched the web until my eyeballs hurt but can only find > extremely expensive software like this. > > I would welcome a simple OCalc, SCalc, or Excel sheet that does this > without re-inveting the wheel. > > Troy Banther > http://banther-trx.homeunix.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri May 7 13:40:29 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 08:40:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Uptime Joke In-Reply-To: <133650-22004546204211531@plateautel.net> Message-ID: You mean like a trouble ticket thing? I have a great one, computerized that I made but they won't let me use it. We do ours on paper. . . go figure. . . DS On Thu, 6 May 2004, troybanther wrote: > Mr. Simpson: > > Do you have a "software or hardware repair form" that you use locally? > > I am thinking of creating one unless I can find one that I cold adapt > locally? > > Troy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri May 7 13:41:47 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 08:41:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux-based helpdesk software In-Reply-To: <309310-22004546215524437@plateautel.net> Message-ID: BTW, the software I used was WebTeacher's WebData. Very easy to use, and set up databases in. Not expensive and once you purchase it, you can make as many databases with it as you wish. DS On Thu, 6 May 2004, troybanther wrote: > Is there any Linux-based or web-based Help Desk software? I am > looking to find or create an IT-centered asset tracking or problem > report type of database. > > I have searched the web until my eyeballs hurt but can only find > extremely expensive software like this. > > I would welcome a simple OCalc, SCalc, or Excel sheet that does this > without re-inveting the wheel. > > Troy Banther > http://banther-trx.homeunix.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri May 7 13:45:30 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 08:45:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Uptime Joke In-Reply-To: <1083897140.1238.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: It was probably on sitting in a corner with no real users using it. . . ;) On Fri, 7 May 2004, Bert Rolston wrote: > Yeah, > > Have you ever seen thousands of days uptime? > > Novell recorded a Netware 3.xx server with over 3000 days uptime. This > used to be on the Novell website. > > The server rolled over into the new millenium without a hitch! > > I'm sure there are *nix server that could match or surpass this. > > Cheers, > Bert > > On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 07:59, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Actually, hundreds of days in *nix servers. . . > > > > DS > > > > On Thu, 6 May 2004, troybanther wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone noticed the uptime on a 2k3 server is measured in seconds > > > as opposed to days on a *nix server? > > > > > > Heh! > > > > > > Troy > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From jader31 at terra.com.br Fri May 7 13:59:36 2004 From: jader31 at terra.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1der_Marasca?=) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 10:59:36 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux-based helpdesk software In-Reply-To: <309310-22004546215524437@plateautel.net> References: <309310-22004546215524437@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <409B9648.3030007@terra.com.br> Try helpdesk one or zero (http://helpdesk.oneorzero.com/) I?m using it on my site with great success (helpdesk.linuxfacil.net) ... I can generate invoices in PDF format!! GREAT!! And there are the all-powerfull CERBERUS but is pay-ware! troybanther wrote: >Is there any Linux-based or web-based Help Desk software? I am >looking to find or create an IT-centered asset tracking or problem >report type of database. > >I have searched the web until my eyeballs hurt but can only find >extremely expensive software like this. > >I would welcome a simple OCalc, SCalc, or Excel sheet that does this >without re-inveting the wheel. > >Troy Banther >http://banther-trx.homeunix.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. >Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 05/05/2004 / Vers?o: 1.5.2 >Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ > >E-mail classificado pelo Identificador de Spam Inteligente Terra. >Para alterar a categoria classificada, visite >http://www.terra.com.br/centralunificada/emailprotegido/imail/imail.cgi?+_u=jader31&_l=1083889591.29182.9926.laranjal.terra.com.br > > > > From l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk Fri May 7 14:23:38 2004 From: l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 15:23:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Using LTSP 4.0.1 on a Windows network Message-ID: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE4@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice on the following scenario: The student network is a mixture of Windows 2003 servers and Windows 2000 Professional clients. DCHP is enabled. I would like to introduce Linux to the network. Rather than buying (or revamping) old terminals, can I use a boot image on an existing workstation without modifying the locally installed content? (I'm pretty sure that this is one of the main points of a thin-client solution, but I thought I should check) As disabling the DHCP services for the windows platform is not an option (in-house restrictions), can the boot image use a DHCP config from the Windows DHCP service? >From what reading I have done, is it possible to create a boot image that obtains DHCP information from a DHCP server over none-standard ports - an option on ROM-o-matic.net is to obtain such information over ports 1067 and 1068, and if it is, how can the DHCP server be configured to answer these clients? As I have mentioned on a previous post, I am new to Linux. If I have missed some point of information that is needed and is glaringly obvious by it's absence, please let me know. Luke Maslany ************************** Luke Maslany l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk Network Engineer Network Services Josiah Mason College ************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 7 14:39:40 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 09:39:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell and LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c43441$24366640$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > After talking with Nat, a couple of Novell engineers, a few > people who were at the Novell dog-n-pony show on tuesday, and > some friends, my attitude is that of pride. Pride in the > fact that what we have been working on for the past 5 years > or so has been recognized by one of the largest software > companies in the world and they see potential in what we have > created. I for one, am impressed by what Novell is doing > with Ximian and SUSE. > > LTSP is NOT what I do for a living. It's my hobby and my > passion. It just amazes me that a bunch of people can get > together in their spare time and create something that can > have such an impact on the world. > > Right now, there are schools all over the world using LTSP > to deliver computing to children who would otherwise not have > it. There are people in Brazil, some of whom are homeless, > without a street address, but they have an email address, > because LTSP was used by the government in what is called the > 'Telecentros'. > > There are small companies popping up all over the world, by > people who believe they can make an honest living by > deploying Linux and LTSP based solutions in schools and > libraries, government agencies and businesses, such as > doctors and lawyers and architects and hardware stores and > heck, the list goes on and on. > > To me, that is so cool. > > At this point, I'm very interested in what Novell can offer > to our little project. At the very least, they are helping > to legitimize it. I think this speaks volumes about the open source community and its benefits. Anyone involved in such projects should have an enourmous sense of pride over what they have helped accomplish. The idea of companies like Novel and IBM taking OS under their wing to help develop it will create so much more confidence in users and help remove some of the small inadequacies. I am excited, thanks to all of you for your excellent work. It is just mind boggling to me to think of those with such intelligence for programming and a ton of monitary earning potential, to use their time in this fashion, with no expectation of future monetary payoff. Thanks again. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.678 / Virus Database: 440 - Release Date: 5/6/2004 From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri May 7 14:44:14 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 14:44:14 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] How to reset gnome panel launchers? Message-ID: <050720041444.28656.409BA0BE0008FDBB00006FF02200763704FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> I need to change the action of several of the buttons on the gnome panel for all users. Since the name that each launcher gets in $HOME/.gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers isn't the same for all users, I don't think I can just do a global find/replace. Any ideas on how I can reset the default launchers? I can't even find where they are setup for that matter. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 7 14:47:36 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 09:47:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE0@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <001701c43442$3fe71050$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > I am at a loss. The CD's still will not boot on the test > machine, even though other distributions boot successfully, > using the same CDR's, burned at the same speed. If you wanted to try one last thing you could swap the CD from the known working machine that booted the CD successfully and install it into your test machine. If that still doesn't work then I am at a loss as well. I have experienced similar problems however and this type of swap has worked for me. A lot of the newer cheaper CDR's have given me very irradic behavior with different CDROM's without any correlation to age or type with OS9, WinX, and Linux. Just one last thing to try which should only take a couple of minutes. For example I have a set of WBEL disks that I loaded 4 test machines with without a hitch, then the 5th didn't work, swapped CDROM's and it booted. I then burned another set of CD's with the same ISO's on the same type of media, and the bum CDROM booted fine in the 5th machine. I makes absolutely no sense, but who cares, it works now. Good luck --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.678 / Virus Database: 440 - Release Date: 5/6/2004 From bskahan at etria.com Fri May 7 16:16:40 2004 From: bskahan at etria.com (Brian P. Skahan) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 12:16:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using LTSP 4.0.1 on a Windows network In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE4@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE4@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1083946599.4922.6.camel@polin8.etria.com> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 15:23 +0100, Luke Maslany wrote: > Rather than buying (or revamping) old terminals, can I use a boot > image on an existing workstation without modifying the locally > installed content? (I?m pretty sure that this is one of the main > points of a thin-client solution, but I thought I should check) Yes, I generally use my laptop as a Terminal Client in the office and a regular laptop everywhere else. > As disabling the DHCP services for the windows platform is not an > option (in-house restrictions), can the boot image use a DHCP config > from the Windows DHCP service? We put DHCP on a non-default port for the Linux boxes and LTSP server, touching the NT DHCP server was verboten. > From what reading I have done, is it possible to create a boot image > that obtains DHCP information from a DHCP server over none-standard > ports - an option on ROM-o-matic.net is to obtain such information > over ports 1067 and 1068, and if it is, how can the DHCP server be > configured to answer these clients? Its an option passed on the command line when DHCPD starts, depending on your distro you might modify /etc/init.d/dhcpd to add "-p XXXX" to the command. > As I have mentioned on a previous post, I am new to Linux. If I have > missed some point of information that is needed and is glaringly > obvious by it?s absence, please let me know. nope! ;) hth, Brian -- Brian P. Skahan Etria, LLP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Its in gconf, /apps/panel/default_setup at least in gnome 2.6, not sure about 2.4 -Brian -- Brian P. Skahan Etria, LLP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From roger at efn.org Fri May 7 16:31:41 2004 From: roger at efn.org (Roger) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 09:31:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tracking usage In-Reply-To: <20040505130457.A21135@efn.org> References: <20040505114846.A19254@efn.org> <40994259.7040202@gwi.net> <20040505130457.A21135@efn.org> Message-ID: <20040507163141.GA744@efn.org> Around Wed,May 05 2004, at 01:04, Roger, wrote: > Around Wed,May 05 2004, at 03:36, Christopher K. Johnson, wrote: > >Roger wrote: > > > > I'll look at that. I kind of forgot about that. I also discovered > /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession > I figure it best to grab the data as it happens rather than parse log > files later. What I settled on was in the /etc/kde3/kdm/ directory, I added the 'mysql select' statement that I wanted to Xstartup and Xreset. I did use the 'hostserver' variable in both Xstartup and Xreset. At least now if someone just power offs the client, when it boots up it clears the prior persons login. The database logs username,machine name, start-time, stop-time. Just in case anybody else was wondering about a solution. -- roger at efn.org >From /usr/bin/fortune: I'm going to live forever, or die trying! -- Spider Robinson From les at futuresource.com Fri May 7 17:02:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 12:02:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using LTSP 4.0.1 on a Windows network In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE4@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE4@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1083949321.17296.165.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 09:23, Luke Maslany wrote: > The student network is a mixture of Windows 2003 servers and Windows > 2000 Professional clients. DCHP is enabled. I would like to > introduce Linux to the network. > Rather than buying (or revamping) old terminals, can I use a boot > image on an existing workstation without modifying the locally > installed content? (I?m pretty sure that this is one of the main > points of a thin-client solution, but I thought I should check) You can, but all you really need is a Xwindows session. If you don't want to have to reboot you can install Cygwin, including Xfree from http://www.cygwin.com. From a cygwin bash prompt, enter Xwin -fullscreen -query k12ltsp_server and you should get a session exactly like a thin client except that you won't get sound and alt-tab will cycle through MS windows where the X desktop is one window instead of the individual X windows. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bullet at sc.rr.com Fri May 7 17:09:26 2004 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (bullet at sc.rr.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:09:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? Message-ID: <232810-2200455717926665@M2W079.mail2web.com> Hi: I just rolled in a handtruck load of IBM 300GL machines that were slated for disposal and was wondering how well suited they might be for use as clients? They are currently set up with P-166 processors, 64 MB of PC-66 (I think) RAM and Old Skool Soundblaster 16-bit sound cards. Got to go look to see if the network cards are 10BASE-T or 100, but most stuff around here seems to be the latter, so I am hopeful. I figure there is a good probability that I can successfuly overclock these machines at the max 200 mHz the MB will support, or I can buy the processors at near-scrap value, whatever. Will these things do OK as clients?, What do y'all think? Ive got nine of them, and the price was certainly right. TIA -Tom Orangeburg, Sunny SC -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Fri May 7 17:10:44 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 10:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Gui on login Message-ID: <20040507171044.96536.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> I have four servers and I am unable to login in Gui mode except for root. Root can log into all four servers in both text and gui mode. Users can only go in text mode, when they try to go in gui mode they are kicked back to login screen. I am running LTSP 3.1.1 Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Fri May 7 17:20:21 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 10:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? Message-ID: <20040507172021.77543.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> These make wonderful thin clients. I have IBM 350 P100 to P166 machines with 8 to 64MB's of ram, a floppy drive, and 10/100 nic card. There is nothing else in the computers. I took everything else out because it wasn't needed for our purposes. I needed the floppy drive to handle the diskette that does the handshake with the server. I am very please with these machines as thin clients. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From jneiffer at neiffer.com Fri May 7 17:34:25 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 11:34:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <232810-2200455717926665@M2W079.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <200405071734.i47HYuAX016899@mx3.redhat.com> I had the same situation: 10 P166 machines that ran Windows 95 well, but that's about it. I upgraded the RAM to 64MB and they run amazingly well as clients on my K12LTSP 4.0 setup. I don't think you need to upgrade at all. Jason -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of bullet at sc.rr.com Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:09 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? Hi: I just rolled in a handtruck load of IBM 300GL machines that were slated for disposal and was wondering how well suited they might be for use as clients? They are currently set up with P-166 processors, 64 MB of PC-66 (I think) RAM and Old Skool Soundblaster 16-bit sound cards. Got to go look to see if the network cards are 10BASE-T or 100, but most stuff around here seems to be the latter, so I am hopeful. I figure there is a good probability that I can successfuly overclock these machines at the max 200 mHz the MB will support, or I can buy the processors at near-scrap value, whatever. Will these things do OK as clients?, What do y'all think? Ive got nine of them, and the price was certainly right. TIA -Tom Orangeburg, Sunny SC -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jfaletra at sau16.org Fri May 7 17:38:21 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 13:38:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <232810-2200455717926665@M2W079.mail2web.com> References: <232810-2200455717926665@M2W079.mail2web.com> Message-ID: IF you go to Intels website you can get free CPUs. We use those 300GLs here without an issue. 64 or 128mb RAM Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From administrator at maginetworks.com Fri May 7 17:53:05 2004 From: administrator at maginetworks.com (J. Theriault) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 19:53:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Using LTSP 4.0.1 on a Windows network In-Reply-To: <1083949321.17296.165.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE4@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> <1083949321.17296.165.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <409BCD01.7060808@maginetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 09:23, Luke Maslany wrote: > > >>The student network is a mixture of Windows 2003 servers and Windows >>2000 Professional clients. DCHP is enabled. I would like to >>introduce Linux to the network. > > >>Rather than buying (or revamping) old terminals, can I use a boot >>image on an existing workstation without modifying the locally >>installed content? (I?m pretty sure that this is one of the main >>points of a thin-client solution, but I thought I should check) > > > You can, but all you really need is a Xwindows session. If you don't > want to have to reboot you can install Cygwin, including Xfree from > http://www.cygwin.com. From a cygwin bash prompt, enter > Xwin -fullscreen -query k12ltsp_server > and you should get a session exactly like a thin client except that > you won't get sound and alt-tab will cycle through MS windows where > the X desktop is one window instead of the individual X windows. I also use this method for demonstrating "Linux" to others, to use my (Windows 2000 Professional) laptop as a client, and so my spouse can access my home LTSP server; the links on my laptop's desktop are C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\XWin.exe -query (server ip) -once to run in a window (my preference) and C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\XWin.exe -fullscreen -query (server ip) -once to run in fullscreen mode This could easily be made to run during login (possibly as a system service as well, I hadn't thought of that before but it sounds plausible) if you wanted to have an "immersion effect" although any Windows hot-keys (ALT-TAB, ALT-F4, etc...) would affect the window and not the LTSP system. J. Theriault administrator at maginetworks.com From administrator at maginetworks.com Fri May 7 17:56:22 2004 From: administrator at maginetworks.com (J. Theriault) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 19:56:22 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: References: <232810-2200455717926665@M2W079.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <409BCDC6.9060808@maginetworks.com> Joe Faletra wrote: > IF you go to Intels website you can get free CPUs. Where on Intel's site can you get free CPUs? Thanks, J. Theriault administrator at maginetworks.com From aaa at pacifier.com Fri May 7 19:20:08 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 12:20:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't change IP address for eth1?!?! Message-ID: <409BE168.9090403@pacifier.com> Hi all, troubleshooting intermitent problem with eth1. I changed ip address to 192.168.2.1 and connected my laptop directly to it with a crossover cable. Done troubleshooting and now am trying to change back to the internet ip address I started with. Changed the setting in /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth1. Rebooted. ifconfig still shows 192.168.2.1. Did a cold reboot - no change! What am I missing here? Thanks, Duane From csitech at davisny.edu Fri May 7 19:23:06 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park, ADCS) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 15:23:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <232810-2200455717926665@M2W079.mail2web.com> References: <232810-2200455717926665@M2W079.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <1083957785.2220.15.camel@localhost> To echo everyone else, I think these would make excellent thin clients. If the they have HD's that are worthless to you it might be worth it to leave the drives in the machines and set them to do the handshake with the server. Up to you of course. But yeah, they should serve great as thin clients. -Calvin On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 13:09, bullet at sc.rr.com wrote: > Hi: > > I just rolled in a handtruck load of IBM 300GL machines that were slated > for disposal and was wondering how well suited they might be for use as > clients? They are currently set up with P-166 processors, 64 MB of PC-66 (I > think) RAM and Old Skool Soundblaster 16-bit sound cards. Got to go look to > see if the network cards are 10BASE-T or 100, but most stuff around here > seems to be the latter, so I am hopeful. > > I figure there is a good probability that I can successfuly overclock > these machines at the max 200 mHz the MB will support, or I can buy the > processors at near-scrap value, whatever. > > Will these things do OK as clients?, What do y'all think? Ive got nine of > them, and the price was certainly right. > > TIA > -Tom > Orangeburg, Sunny SC > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com From les at futuresource.com Fri May 7 19:39:16 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 14:39:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't change IP address for eth1?!?! In-Reply-To: <409BE168.9090403@pacifier.com> References: <409BE168.9090403@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1083958755.21962.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 14:20, Duane Wilson wrote: > troubleshooting intermitent problem with eth1. I changed ip address to > 192.168.2.1 and connected my laptop directly to it with a crossover cable. > Done troubleshooting and now am trying to change back to the internet > ip address I started with. Changed the setting in > /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth1. Rebooted. > > ifconfig still shows 192.168.2.1. > > Did a cold reboot - no change! The new boot-up scheme allows you to set up default and named profiles that override the last settings when you reboot. I'm not sure where or if the details are documented, but if you change the system address and name with the redhat-config-network GUI and save it the right files get updated. If you don't have X running on the console you can ssh in from an X session elsewhere to run it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri May 7 19:44:26 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 14:44:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [Ltsp-discuss] Novell and LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083959066.21962.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 22:50, jam at McQuil.Com wrote: > At this point, I'm very interested in what Novell can offer to > our little project. At the very least, they are helping to legitimize > it. Ltsp is great if you scale the topology to the server sizes and this just happens to match typical lab/class sizes and probably is tolerable in a company with some administration expertise to tune the layout. However, Novell might be able to give it more of an enterprise flavor by making it scale automatically by just tossing some more servers in a pool as you add clients. Or maybe by making it possible to run local apps transparently if you have a faster CPU. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mross at esd165.org Fri May 7 20:07:23 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matt Ross) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 13:07:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [Ltsp-discuss] Novell and LTSP In-Reply-To: <1083959066.21962.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1083959066.21962.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <409BEC7B.1000304@esd165.org> That's a thought: a Cluster LTSP server... Need more power? Add a node to the cluster. Could it work? -Matt Les Mikesell wrote: >Ltsp is great if you scale the topology to the server sizes and >this just happens to match typical lab/class sizes and probably >is tolerable in a company with some administration expertise to >tune the layout. However, Novell might be able to give it more >of an enterprise flavor by making it scale automatically by just >tossing some more servers in a pool as you add clients. Or maybe >by making it possible to run local apps transparently if you have >a faster CPU. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > From les at futuresource.com Fri May 7 20:30:42 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 15:30:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [Ltsp-discuss] Novell and LTSP In-Reply-To: <409BEC7B.1000304@esd165.org> References: <1083959066.21962.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <409BEC7B.1000304@esd165.org> Message-ID: <1083961842.26524.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 15:07, Matt Ross wrote: > That's a thought: a Cluster LTSP server... Need more power? Add a node > to the cluster. Could it work? It could but not easily. Openmosix could do it in theory but several people on the list have mentioned problems trying to use it and I'm not sure it knows how to share memory among instances of common apps. I think an interesting approach would be some sort of service location protocol where an app server would advertise its services, capacity, and load so when someone on a client clicks a menu item or icon to start an application it would automatically start on some machine already running that app with available capacity if possible. That introduces some new issues about user authentication and preferences that could be handled through LDAP or Novell's Directory Services. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From aaa at pacifier.com Fri May 7 21:12:45 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 14:12:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't change IP address for eth1?!?! In-Reply-To: <1083958755.21962.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <409BE168.9090403@pacifier.com> <1083958755.21962.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <409BFBCD.1000802@pacifier.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > If you don't have X running on >the console you can ssh in from an X session elsewhere to >run it. > > I don't have X running. I can ssh into the box, but I don't know how to get the GUI going over ssh - if I understand you correctly. Thanks for the help, Duane] From les at futuresource.com Fri May 7 21:27:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 16:27:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't change IP address for eth1?!?! In-Reply-To: <409BFBCD.1000802@pacifier.com> References: <409BE168.9090403@pacifier.com> <1083958755.21962.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <409BFBCD.1000802@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1083965220.26659.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 16:12, Duane Wilson wrote: > > If you don't have X running on > >the console you can ssh in from an X session elsewhere to > >run it. > > > > > I don't have X running. I can ssh into the box, but I don't know how to > get the GUI going over ssh - if I understand you correctly. > If you are starting from a box already running X, ssh takes care of all the magic for you. Just log in as root through ssh and type in 'redhat-config-network' and a new window will open on your desktop. That should work with any X program if you know the name to start it. On linux everything defaults to make this work. If you are starting from windows you have to do some extra work to be sure the DISPLAY setting is exported and give ssh the -X option. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dalen at czexan.net Fri May 7 21:39:34 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 16:39:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [Ltsp-discuss] Novell and LTSP In-Reply-To: <1083961842.26524.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1083959066.21962.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <409BEC7B.1000304@esd165.org> <1083961842.26524.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <409C0216.7050400@czexan.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 15:07, Matt Ross wrote: > >>That's a thought: a Cluster LTSP server... Need more power? Add a node >>to the cluster. Could it work? > > > It could but not easily. Openmosix could do it in theory but several > people on the list have mentioned problems trying to use it and > I'm not sure it knows how to share memory among instances of common > apps. I think an interesting approach would be some sort of > service location protocol where an app server would advertise its > services, capacity, and load so when someone on a client clicks > a menu item or icon to start an application it would automatically > start on some machine already running that app with available > capacity if possible. That introduces some new issues about user > authentication and preferences that could be handled through > LDAP or Novell's Directory Services. I wonder if Apple Rendezvous could be modified to do this? From aaa at pacifier.com Fri May 7 21:50:41 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 14:50:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't change IP address for eth1?!?! In-Reply-To: <1083965220.26659.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <409BE168.9090403@pacifier.com> <1083958755.21962.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <409BFBCD.1000802@pacifier.com> <1083965220.26659.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <409C04B1.30706@pacifier.com> > > >If you are starting from a box already running X, ssh takes >care of all the magic for you. Just log in as root through >ssh and type in 'redhat-config-network' and a new window will >open on your desktop. That should work with any X program >if you know the name to start it. On linux everything defaults >to make this work. If you are starting from windows you >have to do some extra work to be sure the DISPLAY setting >is exported and give ssh the -X option. > > > Thanks Les, Got my problem solved. I was editing ifcfg-eth1 in the networking directory instead of the network-scripts directory!!! Duane From les at futuresource.com Fri May 7 21:56:47 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 16:56:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [Ltsp-discuss] Novell and LTSP In-Reply-To: <409C0216.7050400@czexan.net> References: <1083959066.21962.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <409BEC7B.1000304@esd165.org> <1083961842.26524.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <409C0216.7050400@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1083967007.26659.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 16:39, dalen wrote: > > I think an interesting approach would be some sort of > > service location protocol where an app server would advertise its > > services, capacity, and load so when someone on a client clicks > > a menu item or icon to start an application it would automatically > > start on some machine already running that app with available > > capacity if possible. That introduces some new issues about user > > authentication and preferences that could be handled through > > LDAP or Novell's Directory Services. > > I wonder if Apple Rendezvous could be modified to do this? > I don't think it would take any modification for the service location part - that is it's purpose. I'm not sure about providing capacity/load info to automatically pick one of several choices, but that is probably already in the design. It would also be nice if the desktop menus could automatically pick up the available services and merge them into the local programs normally shown. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From patmo98 at yahoo.com Fri May 7 22:01:32 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 15:01:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Uptime Joke In-Reply-To: <133650-22004546204211531@plateautel.net> References: <133650-22004546204211531@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <409C073C.8030406@yahoo.com> troybanther wrote: >Mr. Simpson: > > > >Do you have a "software or hardware repair form" that you use locally? > > > >I am thinking of creating one unless I can find one that I cold adapt > >locally? > > > >Troy > > What about bugzilla? This is not what it was designed for but might it work? From tbrown at michiana.org Thu May 6 23:07:00 2004 From: tbrown at michiana.org (Tom Brown) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 18:07:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NetVista thin clients Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040506174148.02783100@michiana.org> Need inexpensive, quiet, small and robust thin clients for LTSP? Try IBM NetVista 8364-TUS (token ring). Yes, token ring! FREE GEEK Michiana converted these diamonds in the rough to Ethernet thin clients using a compact flash card and a nic. The specs are gorgeous. Hardly anybody wants token ring so these NetVista clients go for a song when you can find them. Here's the howto. http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/index.php Tom From les at futuresource.com Fri May 7 23:16:56 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 18:16:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to boot from CD to install K12 LSTP 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE0@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE0@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1083971816.31287.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 04:58, Luke Maslany wrote: > I am at a loss. The CD's still will not boot on the test > machine, even though other distributions boot successfully, > using the same CDR's, burned at the same speed. Did you try the obvious thing? Create a boot floppy from the /images/bootdisk.img file on the CD and boot with both the floppy and CD in the machine. That's the approach you would use on a machine that didn't have the option to boot directly from the CD. The RH9 instructions should still work: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-steps-install-cdrom.html#S2-STEPS-MAKE-DISKS --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat May 8 00:05:21 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 20:05:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <232810-2200455717926665@M2W079.mail2web.com> References: <232810-2200455717926665@M2W079.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <409C2441.30003@cmosnetworks.com> Your IBM 300GL boxes will rock as clients. I have a room full of 25 Pentiums with 32MB DRAM. Some are 166's, some are 233's, and with the 100Mbps NICs in 'em, the users don't know the difference. :-) These, like yours, also have the old Soundblaster 16 cards, and yes, sound works perfectly on them in LTSP client mode. As for the overclocking, there is absolutely no need. A 486-33 is sufficient for this task. Really. Any Pentium of *any* speed is, I've found, overkill for a LTSP thin client. Not that I'm going to object, obviously. :-) There was a comment about the hard disks being useless. If you have the thin clients booting from floppies, then that's true. HOWEVER...floppies have a way of disappearing, so I've cat'ed the Rom-O-Matic floppy image onto the hard disk, just like you would to a floppy. Works great! Of course, you can't boot the Windows 98 that was on those computers anymore, but like I care. :-D --TP bullet at sc.rr.com wrote: >Hi: > >I just rolled in a handtruck load of IBM 300GL machines that were slated >for disposal and was wondering how well suited they might be for use as >clients? They are currently set up with P-166 processors, 64 MB of PC-66 (I >think) RAM and Old Skool Soundblaster 16-bit sound cards. Got to go look to >see if the network cards are 10BASE-T or 100, but most stuff around here >seems to be the latter, so I am hopeful. > > I figure there is a good probability that I can successfuly overclock >these machines at the max 200 mHz the MB will support, or I can buy the >processors at near-scrap value, whatever. > >Will these things do OK as clients?, What do y'all think? Ive got nine of >them, and the price was certainly right. > >TIA >-Tom >Orangeburg, Sunny SC > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat May 8 00:28:08 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 20:28:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gui on login In-Reply-To: <20040507171044.96536.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040507171044.96536.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <409C2998.4050603@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Jennifer, I run K12LTSP 3.1.2. The presentation of a GUI login screen happens before the user logs in. For example, I turn on my thin client, let it scroll through all the kernel and initrd boot messages, watch it do its pivot_root, and twenty seconds after POST finished, boom, I'm into a GUI login screen. From there, I can log in as root if I wish, or, alternately, as a user. This is how it works on all my clients. Can you give us some more details on what you're seeing? --TP Jennifer Waters wrote: >I have four servers and I am unable to login in Gui >mode except for root. Root can log into all four >servers in both text and gui mode. Users can only go >in text mode, when they try to go in gui mode they are >kicked back to login screen. > >I am running LTSP 3.1.1 > >Jennifer > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat May 8 00:37:19 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 20:37:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using LTSP 4.0.1 on a Windows network In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE4@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED08ADE4@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <409C2BBF.8040504@cmosnetworks.com> Luke Maslany wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice on the following > scenario: > > The student network is a mixture of Windows 2003 servers and Windows > 2000 Professional clients. DCHP is enabled. I would like to introduce > Linux to the network. > > Rather than buying (or revamping) old terminals, can I use a boot > image on an existing workstation without modifying the locally > installed content? (I?m pretty sure that this is one of the main > points of a thin-client solution, but I thought I should check) > > As disabling the DHCP services for the windows platform is not an > option (in-house restrictions), can the boot image use a DHCP config > from the Windows DHCP service? > > From what reading I have done, is it possible to create a boot image > that obtains DHCP information from a DHCP server over none-standard > ports - an option on ROM-o-matic.net is to obtain such information > over ports 1067 and 1068, and if it is, how can the DHCP server be > configured to answer these clients? > > As I have mentioned on a previous post, I am new to Linux. If I have > missed some point of information that is needed and is glaringly > obvious by it?s absence, please let me know. > > Luke Maslany > Actually, you shouldn't have to disable the Windows DHCP services. You should be able to just add the appropriate options to the existing DHCP scope. The necessary options are bootfile (where your kernel file lives) and "option 17" (where your NFS pivot_root takes place). Take a peek in your /etc/dhcpd.conf file for an example of these options. So, of course, the question is, "what will the Windows hosts do when they see the TFTP boot and NFS options?" They'll simply ignore them. DHCP clients ignore any DHCP options that they don't need; I've tried this with Windows 98, NT, 2000, and XP. I've also done it with Mac OS 7.6.1, 8.1, 8.6, 9.1, and 9.2, not to mention FreeBSD and several versions of several distros of GNU/Linux. No problems booting in "fat client" mode at all with these two additional options set. --TP From ddaniels at magic.fr Sat May 8 01:58:55 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 18:58:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] strange install error In-Reply-To: <1083866045.25422.368.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1083866045.25422.368.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <409C3EDF.9010101@magic.fr> I concur, Les' idea is ideal! NFS install is very easy and quite a time saver. We had given up on playing with mode_line edits, old monitors are plentiful!, and went with full install on clients. The fat-clients now have full installs of LTSP but we set them in the bash to access the server via X -query. The setup is easier; installing via NFS is a snap compared to playing with mode_line. The clients need a 3 gig HD, which are pretty easy to come by, an NFS server with the ISOs and a boot disk. Here are the steps we used to get some older machines/ monitors off the heap and into the classroom. http://www.dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php?page=K12LTSP%20Network%20Install I've tried using micro-knoppix installs to do the same but X -query didn't work for some reason... for older machines and installs this might be the way to go... using a super driver installer like knoppix to load everything to get old monitors etc. working and then X -query to the LTSP server to avoid the fuss and muss of configuring obscure and dated hardware settings. best Dennis > Let me recommend the NFS install method as a time-saver again. I have > an NFS export from my desktop machine that I use to install all > redhat/fedora based systems. I just download the iso images of each > new version into a directory and burn the first cd. Floppies will > work, but it may take several to get the network and disk drivers > you need. At the CD boot prompt, enter 'linux askmethod', then pick > the NFS image method later and enter the NFS server and path to > the directory of images. This is faster, avoids the cd dma issues, > and you don't have to wait around to swap disks. You can start one > at the end of the day, go home, and come back to a server ready to > be booted. > --- > Les Mikesell From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Sat May 8 02:09:28 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 21:09:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <409C2441.30003@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: I have some IBM 300PL's, these have sound blaster "ct4170" sound cards. I cannot get them to work. Any help would sure be appreciated, as I have several of these cards.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:05 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? Your IBM 300GL boxes will rock as clients. I have a room full of 25 Pentiums with 32MB DRAM. Some are 166's, some are 233's, and with the 100Mbps NICs in 'em, the users don't know the difference. :-) These, like yours, also have the old Soundblaster 16 cards, and yes, sound works perfectly on them in LTSP client mode. As for the overclocking, there is absolutely no need. A 486-33 is sufficient for this task. Really. Any Pentium of *any* speed is, I've found, overkill for a LTSP thin client. Not that I'm going to object, obviously. :-) There was a comment about the hard disks being useless. If you have the thin clients booting from floppies, then that's true. HOWEVER...floppies have a way of disappearing, so I've cat'ed the Rom-O-Matic floppy image onto the hard disk, just like you would to a floppy. Works great! Of course, you can't boot the Windows 98 that was on those computers anymore, but like I care. :-D --TP bullet at sc.rr.com wrote: >Hi: > >I just rolled in a handtruck load of IBM 300GL machines that were slated >for disposal and was wondering how well suited they might be for use as >clients? They are currently set up with P-166 processors, 64 MB of PC-66 (I >think) RAM and Old Skool Soundblaster 16-bit sound cards. Got to go look to >see if the network cards are 10BASE-T or 100, but most stuff around here >seems to be the latter, so I am hopeful. > > I figure there is a good probability that I can successfuly overclock >these machines at the max 200 mHz the MB will support, or I can buy the >processors at near-scrap value, whatever. > >Will these things do OK as clients?, What do y'all think? Ive got nine of >them, and the price was certainly right. > >TIA >-Tom >Orangeburg, Sunny SC > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.241 / Virus Database: 262.9.16 - Release Date: 5/6/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.241 / Virus Database: 262.9.16 - Release Date: 5/6/2004 From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri May 7 15:00:33 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 07 May 2004 23:00:33 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 1PC+4KVM=4users/PC In-Reply-To: <409790CE.6090003@czexan.net> References: <409790CE.6090003@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1083942012.1066.25.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 20:47, dalen wrote: > I noticed this post on the fedora list and thought the k12ltsp folks > might find it interesting. I wonder if they use pci video cards or have > a special motherboard with multiple agp ports. google cache of HP > product page is below. > > http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:ZRceHQ7y9f0J:h40058.www4.hp.com/products/desktops/441/prod_info.html+hp+441&hl=en > -snip- I have been away from my PC for a few days so only saw your post today... I have some info on this topic that may be of interest, but I don't know if this is the correct forum to discuss (suggestions of alternative forums welcomed). I say that because I see that your post has not attracted any discussion, which is the same lack of response I got when I raised this sort of topic many months ago. Nevertheless, if the rest of the list can be patient, I can answer that there is a way to give multi-user setups from one PC in Linux without proprietary HP hardware. Why would you want to do this? Simply because it takes the thin client concept one step further by allowing ZERO client (of sorts) networking to spread your dollar even further. You could do a google search on "multi-user linux", but having done that myself several times, I can save you some time and distill the hits down to the following list of sites that I found most relevant ( I cut this from my list of Mozilla bookmarks, so I hope the html tags don't cause spasm for email clients): Another Quick How-To for Dual-X-Headed/Legged Linux backstreet ruby Multi-seat XFree solution under Linux with framebuffers Multiple local XFree users under Linux Sharing your computer with Matrox G450 dualhead HOWTO The Linux Console Project XFree Local Multi-User HOWTO I have the dual head Matrox card, but have been too timid and impatient to get it working in the way proposed for a multi-user setup. Please report back if you succeed, I'm sure schools would benefit greatly from this concept. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From jneiffer at neiffer.com Sat May 8 03:45:17 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 21:45:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <409C2441.30003@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200405080345.i483jmAX017879@mx3.redhat.com> Is there a how-to on how to get the terminals to boot to the server from the hard disk? I have seen this referred to several times on here but don't really understand the process. Thanks, Jason :) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 6:05 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? Your IBM 300GL boxes will rock as clients. I have a room full of 25 Pentiums with 32MB DRAM. Some are 166's, some are 233's, and with the 100Mbps NICs in 'em, the users don't know the difference. :-) These, like yours, also have the old Soundblaster 16 cards, and yes, sound works perfectly on them in LTSP client mode. As for the overclocking, there is absolutely no need. A 486-33 is sufficient for this task. Really. Any Pentium of *any* speed is, I've found, overkill for a LTSP thin client. Not that I'm going to object, obviously. :-) There was a comment about the hard disks being useless. If you have the thin clients booting from floppies, then that's true. HOWEVER...floppies have a way of disappearing, so I've cat'ed the Rom-O-Matic floppy image onto the hard disk, just like you would to a floppy. Works great! Of course, you can't boot the Windows 98 that was on those computers anymore, but like I care. :-D --TP bullet at sc.rr.com wrote: >Hi: > >I just rolled in a handtruck load of IBM 300GL machines that were slated >for disposal and was wondering how well suited they might be for use as >clients? They are currently set up with P-166 processors, 64 MB of PC-66 (I >think) RAM and Old Skool Soundblaster 16-bit sound cards. Got to go look to >see if the network cards are 10BASE-T or 100, but most stuff around here >seems to be the latter, so I am hopeful. > > I figure there is a good probability that I can successfuly overclock >these machines at the max 200 mHz the MB will support, or I can buy the >processors at near-scrap value, whatever. > >Will these things do OK as clients?, What do y'all think? Ive got nine of >them, and the price was certainly right. > >TIA >-Tom >Orangeburg, Sunny SC > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at telus.net Sat May 8 04:34:10 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 21:34:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which driver for aic 7902 scsi controller? Message-ID: <200405072134.10243.robark@telus.net> I'm installing K12LTSP 3.1.2 (Redhat 9.0) and I was wondering which driver I should use for the AIC 7902 SCSI controller on a SE7501HG2 motherboard. As far as I know, my options are 1) the driver which comes with 3.1.2 (which I think is old/buggy) 2) version 1.3.11 (Aug 4, 2003) from http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/DUD/aic79xx/ 3) version 2.0.10 (Apr 14, 2004) from http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/DUD/aic79xx/ I'm using two scsi drives connected to seperate scsi channels on the MB. Replies much appreciated Robert Arkiletian From ddaniels at magic.fr Sat May 8 04:37:06 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 21:37:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <200405080345.i483jmAX017879@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200405080345.i483jmAX017879@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <409C63F2.9090508@magic.fr> > There was a comment about the hard disks being useless. If you have the > thin clients booting from floppies, then that's true. > HOWEVER...floppies have a way of disappearing, so I've cat'ed the > Rom-O-Matic floppy image onto the hard disk, just like you would to a > floppy. Works great! Of course, you can't boot the Windows 98 that was > on those computers anymore, but like I care. :-D > > --TP What about drivers for older monitors... would that work as well? It would be fantabulous to find an easy way to load the all NIC drivers and monitor drivers /sound cards onto the hard-drives of these 'fat-clients'. We've been using NFS installs but a micro-boot installer for K12LTSP that would install the drivers needed for the local hardware onto the local machine...something automatic? :) Roughly speaking, I've spent over 100 hours getting 30 nodes running with the help of a linux/hardware enthusiast; 200 man hours spent trying to get random NICs and monitors to work on an entirely donated classroom network. When I tell teachers on campus they could do the same thing they say, "No way! I know how much time you've put in there getting it to work." And they're right, with donated equipment getting a network to run is a bear. Unless you're a nut or fanatic most would give up trying to get LTSP up and running on donated machines. A plea from a teacher in the treches: make it easier to get older machines, random NICS and ancient monitors into use as clients is a good thing for schools; something that Aunt Tilly the Teacher, and I, can use. ;) best dennis From robark at telus.net Sat May 8 05:18:37 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 22:18:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <200405080345.i483jmAX017879@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200405080345.i483jmAX017879@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200405072218.37961.robark@telus.net> I think a "how-to" on booting from client hard drives is a great idea. I'm currently facing the same problem. The docs under Configuring Clients only has info on booting from floppy or PXE. I've got NTFS partition on clients so I don't think I can call the dos executable ROM image (.com) from boot.ini. But I'm going to try anyway. Robert Arkiletian On Friday 07 May 2004 8:45 pm, Jason Neiffer wrote: > Is there a how-to on how to get the terminals to boot to the server from > the hard disk? I have seen this referred to several times on here but > don't really understand the process. > > Thanks, > Jason :) From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat May 8 14:25:24 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 10:25:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <409C63F2.9090508@magic.fr> References: <200405080345.i483jmAX017879@mx3.redhat.com> <409C63F2.9090508@magic.fr> Message-ID: <409CEDD4.8060502@cmosnetworks.com> Dennis Daniels wrote: >> There was a comment about the hard disks being useless. If you have >> the thin clients booting from floppies, then that's true. >> HOWEVER...floppies have a way of disappearing, so I've cat'ed the >> Rom-O-Matic floppy image onto the hard disk, just like you would to a >> floppy. Works great! Of course, you can't boot the Windows 98 that >> was on those computers anymore, but like I care. :-D >> >> --TP > > > What about drivers for older monitors... would that work as well? It > would be fantabulous to find an easy way to load the all NIC drivers > and monitor drivers /sound cards onto the hard-drives of these > 'fat-clients'. We've been using NFS installs but a micro-boot > installer for K12LTSP that would install the drivers needed for the > local hardware onto the local machine...something automatic? :) > > Roughly speaking, I've spent over 100 hours getting 30 nodes running > with the help of a linux/hardware enthusiast; 200 man hours spent > trying to get random NICs and monitors to work on an entirely donated > classroom network. > > When I tell teachers on campus they could do the same thing they say, > "No way! I know how much time you've put in there getting it to work." > And they're right, with donated equipment getting a network to run is > a bear. Unless you're a nut or fanatic most would give up trying to > get LTSP up and running on donated machines. > > A plea from a teacher in the treches: make it easier to get older > machines, random NICS and ancient monitors into use as clients is a > good thing for schools; something that Aunt Tilly the Teacher, and I, > can use. ;) > > best > dennis OK, you got it. Note: I am emphatically *not* talking about fat clients here. I mean thin clients. You'll see here in a minute. 1.) You need a supported NIC, i. e. something for which you can download the .lzdsk from www.rom-o-matic.net. I happen to use 3Com 3C905's, but RealTek 8129-based cards also work great and are $8 in the USA. 2.) You need a supported video card. Any of the old S3 Trio64 boards, S3 ViRGE, ATI 3D Rage Pro boards, etc. work very well; I use all three. 3.) You need enough DRAM. My experience says that 32MB works very well, be it an x86 or PowerMac thin client. 16MB aren't enough. 4.) You need a supported CPU. On the x86 side, anything from an 80486-33 and up works. Using a Pentium is like using a Ferrari to go the local grocery store (you don't need that kind of power, but you've got braggin' rights, bay-bee!). 5.) If you want sound, you'll need a supported sound card. I find that the old SoundBlaster 16 cards work great (we have a lot of those). 6.) If you want to boot your thin client from the hard disk, you'll of course need a hard disk. For this purpose, a 10MB hard disk is already much more than you need (yes, I said 10MB), so one of those old 540MB or 850MB hard disks will certainly work. OK, now we have our box that we want to make into a thin client. You'll want a blank floppy. With this floppy, we're going to make a standard EtherBoot "boot floppy." Since my thin clients happen to use 3Com 3C905 cards of various vintages (the original, the B, and the C), I issue this command: [microman at localhost ltsp]$ su root Password: [root at localhost ltsp]# cat eb-5.0.11-3c905c-tpo.lzdsk > /dev/fd0 [root at localhost ltsp]# Yes, the EtherBoot image for the 3C905C also works on the 3C905B and the original 3C905. :-) OK, now we have a boot floppy. Why'd we do this? We need to make sure our thin client's going to work, so why not try it the "standard" way, first, i. e. booting it with a boot floppy? :-) If things don't work, then there's a problem that needs to be troubleshot with the standard techniques (is the K12LTSP server actually running, is everything plugged in and seated right, etc.). Once you've gotten your thin client to successfully boot to K12LTSP from that boot floppy, then we're ready for the next step. This same EtherBoot floppy can, of course, be used for any other thin client with the same type of NIC. Now we've verified that our thin client actually works. This is Good. So, how do we get the thing to boot from the hard disk? We do it the same way we get the thing to boot from our Rom-O-Matic floppy. You know how we get the EtherBoot image onto the floppy? Well, we do exactly the same thing to a hard disk. To do that, we need a command prompt on the thin client itself. Just reboot the thin client with something like Knoppix in command-prompt-only mode, so now you have a bash prompt. If you don't have Knoppix, or if it takes too long for you to download Knoppix, then you can use Damn Small Linux, available at http://www.damnsmalllinux.org; it's only 55MB. If you don't have a CD-ROM drive in your thin client, not to worry. Use tomsrtbt, which is a floppy-based distro that runs in "8 meg to boot, more to unpack", so it'll fit fine in 32MB. Tomsrtbt is available at http://www.toms.net/rb/. OK, now we have our bash prompt on our thin client. So far, so good. Now we have to actually get the Rom-O-Matic boot image onto the hard disk. How? Easy. On that thin client, pop in that EtherBoot floppy and type this: [root at knoppixbox root]# cat /dev/fd0 > /dev/hda and sit back and watch the entire contents of that floppy disk get copied, bit for bit, onto the hard disk, starting with sector 0,0,1. Essentially, you've made your hard disk into an "EtherBoot hard disk." It acts just like a really big (and, of course, much faster) EtherBoot floppy! This does have the side effect of wiping the MBR and partition table that was originally on the hard disk, so you're not going to be booting that Windows installation anymore, be it on NTFS, FAT, HPFS, or whatever. But, again, like we care, since we want to get away from Windows anyway. :-) BTW, the other way to do this is by taking a second FAT-formatted floppy, copying the .lzdsk file onto this second floppy (not cat'ing--copying, as in the "cp" command or the GUI equivalent), popping that floppy into your thin client, mounting that floppy, and doing this: [root at knoppixbox root]# cat /mnt/floppy/eb-5.0.11-3c905c-tpo.lzdsk > /dev/hda Once that copying's done, reboot your thin client, and it'll come up with a K12LTSP prompt faster than you've ever seen it before. Now, there was a question about "drivers" for monitors. Monitors don't use device drivers; video boards do. Thus, there is no "driver" for a monitor any more than there is for a keyboard. Note that X11 will automagically detect your thin client's video board when you fire it up, so you don't have to be concerned with the video driver...provided, of course, that it's supported by XFree86. :-) Most are, so this shouldn't be an issue. There are two concerns to have with "ancient" monitors: 1.) Can the monitor run at a resolution that will make the K12LTSP desktop enjoyable to use? 2.) Is the dot pitch sufficiently small enough that it won't kill the users' eyeballs? I remember those 0.39 dot-pitch screens all too well, and I would never put a child in front of such a screen. What you want to do is make sure that you're running at a resolution of at least 800x600x16 on your thin clients. I don't know a video board made since 1996 that would have trouble with that. My thin clients run at 1024x768x24, and this is with 17" CRT monitors. Decent 15" monitors will work at 800x600, but.... My advice would be, if you don't have monitors that are capable of 1024x768, are 17", and have a 0.27 dot pitch or less, that you go ahead and pick some up. They can be had for $50 apiece, and you will be helping to preserve the health of eyeballs by doing so. We all have tight budgets, but please don't visit 0.39 dot pitch on your kids. Really. Now that things are up and running, sit back and enjoy. For those critics that told you "no way" because you spent all those hours with donated "random" hardware, well, you'd have to do that anyway if you were running Windows on them, too. That's an issue with random hardware, not so much the operating system that you're running on it (GNU/Linux supports *lots* of hardware). Furthermore, you can take satisfaction in the fact that all those hours that you spent, you won't have to do that again when the next Windows virus/worm comes out. You now have only one box to maintain--the K12LTSP server--instead of 30. My K12LTSP lab was entirely unaffected by Sasser, for example, so it is time well spent doing this. The biggest issue, I've found, is the NIC. Keep those consistent if at all possible. Again, I've seen cards based on the RealTek 8129 chip for $8 in stores, and they are definitely K12LTSP-friendly. --TP From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat May 8 15:22:25 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 11:22:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] an LDAP enabled Samba 3 RPM? Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can download an LDAP enabled RPM for Samba 3? Or can you tell me if the Samba version in K12LTSP 4.01 is already compiled with LDAP enabled? I'm hoping to redo my Samba/LDAP server this summer and up it to Samba 3.....I used an LDAP enabled RPM of Samba 2.27a last time....and was able to make it available to others as well. Anyone have one or know where to get one? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From Steven at stevensantos.com Sat May 8 15:38:59 2004 From: Steven at stevensantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:38:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better (was: Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients?) In-Reply-To: <20040508142536.9F5D074036@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> > Dennis Daniels wrote: > > > A plea from a teacher in the treches: make it easier to get older > > machines, random NICS and ancient monitors into use as clients is a > > good thing for schools; something that Aunt Tilly the Teacher, and I, > > can use. ;) To which TP replied: > OK, you got it. Note: I am emphatically *not* talking about fat > clients here. I mean thin clients. You'll see here in a minute... While most of us on the list can do this, Aunt Tilly the teacher will NEVER be able to make use of these instructions (try asking Aunt Tilly what a "3C905" is). No, what we really need is a diagnostics CD (ala KNOPIX) that will boot the terminal as a semi-fat client, connect to the LTSP server, output all of the correct config options for that terminal's lts.conf entry (maybe even auto add the entry in lts.conf?) a link to the proper rom-o-matic image and maybe a nice script to create a boot floppy/HD boot image from the ROM image. If we had such an uber utility, then Aunt Tilly might be able to make it work without the need for an IT guru to install each and every new donated terminal. Just pop in the diag CD, enter the proper password (to add it to lts.conf), click on the r-o-m button if needed, and your done. Best part is that such a utility would also be useful to IT people. How much time would this utility save you every month? Food for thought. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Email : Steven at StevenSantos.com Web : www.CircusNews.com Postal: PO Box 620753 Newton, Ma. 02462 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat May 8 15:43:49 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 11:43:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <200405072218.37961.robark@telus.net> References: <200405080345.i483jmAX017879@mx3.redhat.com> <200405072218.37961.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <409D0035.6010402@snet.net> I have an old Pentium 100 mhz here that I've loaded up with Damn Small Linux. I daresay it runs nearly as well as the 400mhz celeron in my classroom running k12 3.1.2 tony Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I think a "how-to" on booting from client hard drives is a great idea. I'm > currently facing the same problem. The docs under Configuring Clients only > has info on booting from floppy or PXE. > > I've got NTFS partition on clients so I don't think I can call the dos > executable ROM image (.com) from boot.ini. But I'm going to try anyway. > > Robert Arkiletian > > On Friday 07 May 2004 8:45 pm, Jason Neiffer wrote: > >>Is there a how-to on how to get the terminals to boot to the server from >>the hard disk? I have seen this referred to several times on here but >>don't really understand the process. >> >>Thanks, >>Jason :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From bullet at sc.rr.com Sat May 8 15:50:29 2004 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (Tom Simpson) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 11:50:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better (was: Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients?) In-Reply-To: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> References: <20040508142536.9F5D074036@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040508114627.03b0aec8@pop-server.sc.rr.com> At 11:38 AM 5/8/2004 -0400, Steven Santos wrote: > > Dennis Daniels wrote: > > > > > A plea from a teacher in the treches: make it easier to get older > > > machines, random NICS and ancient monitors into use as clients is a > > > good thing for schools; something that Aunt Tilly the Teacher, and I, > > > can use. ;) > >To which TP replied: > > > OK, you got it. Note: I am emphatically *not* talking about fat > > clients here. I mean thin clients. You'll see here in a minute... > > > >While most of us on the list can do this, Aunt Tilly the teacher will NEVER >be able to make use of these instructions (try asking Aunt Tilly what a >"3C905" is). > >No, what we really need is a diagnostics CD (ala KNOPIX) that will boot the >terminal as a semi-fat client, connect to the LTSP server, output all of the >correct config options for that terminal's lts.conf entry (maybe even auto >add the entry in lts.conf?) a link to the proper rom-o-matic image and maybe >a nice script to create a boot floppy/HD boot image from the ROM image. > What Aunt Tilly needs is for somebody to drop the whole shebang in her class, tell her how to operate what she needs to operate and tell her her to leave the rest of it alone. Given the robustness of this approach and the high degree of uptime, K12LTSP should be PERFECT for the Tilly's of the world. Start of Day: Turn on server Turn on clents End of Day: Same as above, in reverse. :-) -Tom -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.677 / Virus Database: 439 - Release Date: 5/4/2004 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat May 8 15:51:17 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 11:51:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> References: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> Message-ID: <409D01F5.2010902@snet.net> Steven Santos wrote: > > > While most of us on the list can do this, Aunt Tilly the teacher will NEVER > be able to make use of these instructions (try asking Aunt Tilly what a > "3C905" is). > > No, what we really need is a diagnostics CD (ala KNOPIX) that will boot the > terminal as a semi-fat client, connect to the LTSP server, output all of the > correct config options for that terminal's lts.conf entry (maybe even auto > add the entry in lts.conf?) a link to the proper rom-o-matic image and maybe > a nice script to create a boot floppy/HD boot image from the ROM image. > > If we had such an uber utility, then Aunt Tilly might be able to make it > work without the need for an IT guru to install each and every new donated > terminal. Just pop in the diag CD, enter the proper password (to add it to > lts.conf), click on the r-o-m button if needed, and your done. > > Best part is that such a utility would also be useful to IT people. How much > time would this utility save you every month? Food for thought. Might I suggest Damn Small Linux as a means to do this. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ It can be used as a live CD or installed on the hd. It loves old, slow machines. I have an old Pentium 100mhz sitting right here running it on the hdd, so, it handles the ancient and feeble quite well. tony > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From ddaniels at magic.fr Sat May 8 16:08:01 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 09:08:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <409D01F5.2010902@snet.net> References: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> <409D01F5.2010902@snet.net> Message-ID: <409D05E1.1020503@magic.fr> > > Might I suggest Damn Small Linux as a means to do this. > http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ > It can be used as a live CD or installed on the hd. It loves old, slow > machines. I have an old Pentium 100mhz sitting right here running it on > the hdd, so, it handles the ancient and feeble quite well. > > tony Quick question: Are you able to set it to run as a client on LTSP via X-query 192.168.0.254 :1 denny From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat May 8 16:24:15 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 12:24:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> References: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> Message-ID: <409D09AF.9040306@cmosnetworks.com> Steven Santos wrote: >>Dennis Daniels wrote: >> >> >> >>>A plea from a teacher in the treches: make it easier to get older >>>machines, random NICS and ancient monitors into use as clients is a >>>good thing for schools; something that Aunt Tilly the Teacher, and I, >>>can use. ;) >>> >>> > >To which TP replied: > > > >>OK, you got it. Note: I am emphatically *not* talking about fat >>clients here. I mean thin clients. You'll see here in a minute... >> >> > > > >While most of us on the list can do this, Aunt Tilly the teacher will NEVER >be able to make use of these instructions (try asking Aunt Tilly what a >"3C905" is). > >No, what we really need is a diagnostics CD (ala KNOPIX) that will boot the >terminal as a semi-fat client, connect to the LTSP server, output all of the >correct config options for that terminal's lts.conf entry (maybe even auto >add the entry in lts.conf?) a link to the proper rom-o-matic image and maybe >a nice script to create a boot floppy/HD boot image from the ROM image. > >If we had such an uber utility, then Aunt Tilly might be able to make it >work without the need for an IT guru to install each and every new donated >terminal. Just pop in the diag CD, enter the proper password (to add it to >lts.conf), click on the r-o-m button if needed, and your done. > >Best part is that such a utility would also be useful to IT people. How much >time would this utility save you every month? Food for thought. > I disagree. Aunt Tilly the teacher has no business messing around with network infrastructures until Aunt Tilly knows something about networks. We train teachers to be teachers. We train car mechanics to be car mechanics. Likewise, we train IT techs to be IT techs. I wouldn't dare try to teach, say, a Spanish language class without some kind of training as a Spanish language teacher. Nor would I try taking apart and putting back together my truck's Power Stroke Diesel engine without training as a Power Stroke Diesel mechanic; I'd very likely ruin my engine in short order and void the warranty in the process. If you want Aunt Tilly the teacher to be using LTSP thin clients in her class, then I have no problem with that and in fact encourage it heartily. But if you don't want to get Aunt Tilly the teacher someone who knows what they're doing with technology, then get Aunt Tilly the teacher a bunch of pre-packaged thin clients; you cannot expect Aunt Tilly to be able to build a box at all, let alone out of a bunch of donated, random hardware! DisklessWorkstations.com sells some nice thin clients, I hear; that's why such companies exist. You don't even need a boot floppy with them; just plug and go. *That* is the solution for Aunt Tilly the teacher, not dumping a bunch of old, random hardware in her lap and expecting her to build working boxes out of it. She needs to teach. It is *our* job as IT people (for those of us that are IT people) to have the technical knowledge to support her technology-based classroom teaching. That's why we IT folks get paid for what we do. For those who want to cry "oh, but my budget!", I have this answer: I've spent a lot of time, sweat, and literally a little blood over the years learning how to do what I do, and I happen to be very good at it. Other good IT folks that I've met are the same way. Knowledge is not cheap and certainly not free (as in beer); it costs either time or money, or both. This is why companies like Red Hat and SuSE are in business. The alternative is for us all to do Linux From Scratch. I can do this. Can you? If you can, do you have the time to spend doing it? I sure don't anymore. If you want to build your own car from a bunch of junkyard parts, then I salute you, because you know way more than I do (I've met a few who've done this). However, most people go to the car dealer and buy one pre-made. It costs more that way, but you're paying for the knowledge it takes to build a car, as well as the warranty and support. Desktop technology is no different. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat May 8 16:47:27 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 12:47:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <409D0F1F.3010404@cmosnetworks.com> Yep, that's the good ol' SoundBlaster 16. Make sure that, in the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, it has these lines: # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # default sound volume VOLUME = 75 ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: SMODULE_01 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 Then, restart your thin clients, and you should be good to go. You shouldn't have to restart the K12LTSP server itself. --TP Rick O'Dell wrote: > I have some IBM 300PL's, these have sound blaster "ct4170" sound cards. I >cannot get them to work. Any help would sure be appreciated, as I have >several of these cards.... >Rick O'Dell >Net Work Administrator >Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. >Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:05 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? > > >Your IBM 300GL boxes will rock as clients. I have a room full of 25 >Pentiums with 32MB DRAM. Some are 166's, some are 233's, and with the >100Mbps NICs in 'em, the users don't know the difference. :-) These, >like yours, also have the old Soundblaster 16 cards, and yes, sound >works perfectly on them in LTSP client mode. > > From les at futuresource.com Sat May 8 17:00:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 12:00:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <409D09AF.9040306@cmosnetworks.com> References: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> <409D09AF.9040306@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1084035635.9112.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-05-08 at 11:24, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > The alternative is for us all to do Linux From Scratch. I > can do this. Can you? If you can, do you have the time to > spend doing it? I sure don't anymore. A lot of people can do Linux From Scratch these days, but the real question is whether you can do it better than the freely available bundles like Knoppix. I see some people also mentioned Damn Small, which is also good because it started from knoppix rather than scratch. However Damn Small runs the XVesa and Xfbdev drivers that may be slower than the best match for your hardware. What I think should work is to modify the knoppix master so the default is to run 'X -query ...' instead of the local desktop and boot any problem PC's with that. Also, since knoppix has it's own PXE boot mechanism you should be able to copy the iso image to the k12ltsp server and emulate that boot procedure if you prefer network booting. Having the rest of the stuff on the knoppix cd available to the client is overkill but harmless (well, you probably should eliminate the ability to become root if you have NFS exports anywhere, but someone could bring their own stock knoppix CD anyway...). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From Steven at stevensantos.com Sat May 8 17:23:04 2004 From: Steven at stevensantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 13:23:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better (was: Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients?) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040508114627.03b0aec8@pop-server.sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <001b01c43521$208bc400$6701a8c0@SS> > What Aunt Tilly needs is for somebody to drop the whole shebang in her > class, tell her how to operate what she needs to operate and tell her her > to leave the rest of it alone. > Given the robustness of this approach and the high degree of uptime, > K12LTSP should be PERFECT for the Tilly's of the world. > > Start of Day: > Turn on server > > Turn on clents > > End of Day: > Same as above, in reverse. > :-) While I for the most part agree with you, I do think that adding an additional terminal to an existing K12LTSP network should *NOT* require the IT guru to come down and configure it by hand. Adding a new terminal SHOULD be something that any teacher can do, without needing the IT guru to do it for them. 4 computers used to work really well for Aunt Tilly, but lately she feels she needs a fifth workstation in the classroom. So jonny brings in his old computer to donate to the class lab. Aunt Tilly plugs it in (power, kbd, mouse, speakers, network), inserts uber CD and powers up. Teacher follows the setup wizard through its couple of steps. New terminal is now properly configured as a thin client, and is ready to go. Or, for the guy (or gal) that gets stuck setting up the new lab with all of the donated terminals: Tech plugs in the new system (power, kbd, mouse, network, speakers), inserts uber CD and powers up. Follows (or scripts) the setup wizard through its couple of steps. The new terminal is now properly configured as a thin client, and is ready to go. Rinse, lather, and repeat for all additional workstations. I have to think creating such a tool is an easier way than doing it by hand every time. YMMV. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Email : Steven at StevenSantos.com Web : www.CircusNews.com Postal: PO Box 620753 Newton, Ma. 02462 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat May 8 18:20:18 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 14:20:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better (was: Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients?) In-Reply-To: <001b01c43521$208bc400$6701a8c0@SS> References: <001b01c43521$208bc400$6701a8c0@SS> Message-ID: <409D24E2.6010507@cmosnetworks.com> Steven Santos wrote: >>What Aunt Tilly needs is for somebody to drop the whole shebang in her >>class, tell her how to operate what she needs to operate and tell her her >>to leave the rest of it alone. >> >> > > > >>Given the robustness of this approach and the high degree of uptime, >>K12LTSP should be PERFECT for the Tilly's of the world. >> >>Start of Day: >>Turn on server >> >>Turn on clents >> >>End of Day: >>Same as above, in reverse. >>:-) >> >> > >While I for the most part agree with you, I do think that adding an >additional terminal to an existing K12LTSP network should *NOT* require >the IT guru to come down and configure it by hand. Adding a new terminal >SHOULD be something that any teacher can do, without needing the IT guru >to do it for them. > > http://www.disklessworkstations.com is the answer to that. Aunt Tilly can just plug it in, turn it on, and she's done. That said, the IT staff should always, always be gone through when adding anything--*anything*--to the school network. Teachers should not be just popping things onto a network willy-nilly. That spells trouble; I know this from long experience. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat May 8 18:27:20 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 14:27:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <1084035635.9112.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> <409D09AF.9040306@cmosnetworks.com> <1084035635.9112.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <409D2688.7040206@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sat, 2004-05-08 at 11:24, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > >>The alternative is for us all to do Linux From Scratch. I >>can do this. Can you? If you can, do you have the time to >>spend doing it? I sure don't anymore. >> >> > >A lot of people can do Linux From Scratch these days, but >the real question is whether you can do it better than >the freely available bundles like Knoppix. I see some >people also mentioned Damn Small, which is also good >because it started from knoppix rather than scratch. >However Damn Small runs the XVesa and Xfbdev drivers >that may be slower than the best match for your hardware. >What I think should work is to modify the knoppix >master so the default is to run 'X -query ...' instead >of the local desktop and boot any problem PC's with >that. Also, since knoppix has it's own PXE boot mechanism >you should be able to copy the iso image to the k12ltsp >server and emulate that boot procedure if you prefer >network booting. Having the rest of the stuff on the >knoppix cd available to the client is overkill but >harmless (well, you probably should eliminate the ability >to become root if you have NFS exports anywhere, but >someone could bring their own stock knoppix CD anyway...). > >--- > Remember, she still has to build workable thin clients out of all that random hardware before they can even boot Knoppix or Damn Small. Then she's got to do a remaster of the ISO image. Can Aunt Tilly do all that? Should we expect her to do all that? I'm operating under the assumption that the "IT guru" won't be getting involved. It is possible that I'm misunderstanding here; please correct me if I am. --TP From les at futuresource.com Sat May 8 19:22:39 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 14:22:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <409D2688.7040206@cmosnetworks.com> References: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> <409D09AF.9040306@cmosnetworks.com> <1084035635.9112.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <409D2688.7040206@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1084044159.9460.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-05-08 at 13:27, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Remember, she still has to build workable thin clients out of > all that random hardware before they can even boot Knoppix > or Damn Small. Yes, if it doesn't have a built-in NIC I'd recommend delegating to someone with hardware experience. In fact it is probably a good idea to have someone open the case and clean out the dust from random donations anyway and do a bios-flash update of anything you expect to PXE-boot. Otherwise the most complicated choice should be which connector takes the keyboard and which takes the mouse which for some unexplainable reason are identical and weren't always color coded. Fortunately most motherboards won't fry if you get this wrong the first time and most even survive a hot swap even though it isn't guaranteed. > Then > she's got to do a remaster of the ISO image. I think you've missed an important point of free software. If one person does the remaster and is willing to share it, everyone else can move on to the next step. There may or may not be a bootable CD with knoppix-style hardware detection that does an xdm remote login automatically today but someone could easily make one and make it as easy to get as k12ltsp. Likewise since knoppix itself can network boot clients that get the same hardware detect capability, it should only take a little more effort to build that into the server, at least for pxe clients where you don't have to detect the NIC type first. If these projects aren't already underway, maybe someone could dig up some grant money to start them. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat May 8 20:02:44 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 16:02:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <409D05E1.1020503@magic.fr> References: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> <409D01F5.2010902@snet.net> <409D05E1.1020503@magic.fr> Message-ID: <409D3CE4.5050407@snet.net> Dennis Daniels wrote: >> >> Might I suggest Damn Small Linux as a means to do this. >> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ >> It can be used as a live CD or installed on the hd. It loves old, >> slow machines. I have an old Pentium 100mhz sitting right here >> running it on the hdd, so, it handles the ancient and feeble quite well. >> >> tony > > Quick question: Are you able to set it to run as a client on LTSP via > X-query 192.168.0.254 :1 > > denny I dunno. Haven't tried that. Can't see why not. This one is here at my home with no ltsp server to try it on. tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat May 8 15:22:25 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 11:22:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] an LDAP enabled Samba 3 RPM? Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can download an LDAP enabled RPM for Samba 3? Or can you tell me if the Samba version in K12LTSP 4.01 is already compiled with LDAP enabled? I'm hoping to redo my Samba/LDAP server this summer and up it to Samba 3.....I used an LDAP enabled RPM of Samba 2.27a last time....and was able to make it available to others as well. Anyone have one or know where to get one? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From shahms at shahms.com Sat May 8 22:19:20 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms E. King) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 15:19:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] an LDAP enabled Samba 3 RPM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084054760.6775.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Samba 3 is shipped with LDAP support by default, you just have to configure it. On Sat, 2004-05-08 at 08:22, David Trask wrote: > Does anyone know where I can download an LDAP enabled RPM for Samba 3? Or > can you tell me if the Samba version in K12LTSP 4.01 is already compiled > with LDAP enabled? I'm hoping to redo my Samba/LDAP server this summer > and up it to Samba 3.....I used an LDAP enabled RPM of Samba 2.27a last > time....and was able to make it available to others as well. Anyone have > one or know where to get one? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- --Shahms From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun May 9 01:14:37 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 21:14:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <1084044159.9460.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> <409D09AF.9040306@cmosnetworks.com> <1084035635.9112.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <409D2688.7040206@cmosnetworks.com> <1084044159.9460.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <409D85FD.7060808@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >>Then >>she's got to do a remaster of the ISO image. >> >> > >I think you've missed an important point of free >software. If one person does the remaster and is >willing to share it, everyone else can move on to >the next step. There may or may not be a bootable >CD with knoppix-style hardware detection that >does an xdm remote login automatically today >but someone could easily make one and make it as >easy to get as k12ltsp. Likewise since knoppix >itself can network boot clients that get the same >hardware detect capability, it should only take a >little more effort to build that into the server, >at least for pxe clients where you don't have to >detect the NIC type first. If these projects aren't >already underway, maybe someone could dig up some >grant money to start them. > > On the contrary; I'd love to see someone make it (I just don't have time right now--I still need to make time to do K12LTSP on YDL!!). However, there is an issue we need to consider with such a remaster. Not everybody's going to be using 192.168.0.254 on their server--me, for instance. Due to the pre-existence of a DHCP server, and our unwillingness to allow additional DHCP servers on our network for any reason, I've got to use the pre-existing IP address scheme for the clients. That means a single-NIC K12LTSP install, and I'd wager I'm not the only one in that situation. In the case of our district, we run subnets of 10.0.0.0/9, giving /20's to all of our schools. The side benefit of this single-NIC install is that the hard disk can also be used as a regular file server very easily by the entire school. HOWEVER.... The applicable effect, when remastering something like Knoppix or Damn Small, is that we no longer have a thin client that netboots, thus no longer getting its nfs and tftp parameters from a central, easy-to-modify DHCP server. Now that IP address (or "those IP addresses" if you get fancy) are hard-coded into the ISO image. Aunt Tilly will, thus, have to have multiple ISO images for each of her schools, unless we can somehow safely issue a broadcast query for XDM servers, which I'd think would solve that issue. However, if you've got more than one K12LTSP server on the same IP subnet, then you've got to make sure you "broadcast" to the right one, so we're back at Square 1. Putting each K12LTSP server on its own Layer 3 VLAN would fix that, but you've got to have the gear to support that. Does anyone have any ideas for how to get around this? --TP From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun May 9 01:37:16 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 21:37:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] an LDAP enabled Samba 3 RPM? In-Reply-To: <1084054760.6775.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1084054760.6775.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Samba 3 is shipped with LDAP support by default, you just have to >configure it. When you say "configure it" your talking like using smbldap-tools and making config changes right? There's nothing I have to do as far as compiling Samba in order for LDAP to work? cool. let me know if that's not the case. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Sun May 9 02:02:24 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 02:02:24 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] an LDAP enabled Samba 3 RPM? Message-ID: <200405090051.i490pbr00766@downeast.net> ldap works fine by default with samba 3 in fedora..it is importnat to make changes to krb5.conf,,,that part is quite simple really...i found that by using your veritable golden user idea with a default pw one could scriptit quite easily to read from a csv file andcreate many accts in an ldif..my mistake was trying to emulate existing containers from active directory which worked fine for windows but not worth a stool for linux ltsp since linux seems to look for users in people container and i had people seperated by year and school...chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Sun May 9 02:11:30 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 02:11:30 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better Message-ID: <200405090100.i4910ir01564@downeast.net> yerrell-there is no way they will let yourun dhcp on alternate port..?they let you do tftp on 69 when they don't use it ..nfs on 2049 and they can't see it..why not dhcp on 1001 or 1067? I love doing it this way and have all my schools running this way.. only problem i have ha in a year was someone starting internet connection sharing on a win box which hardxodes it to 192.168.0.1 which is also my gateway..........chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sun May 9 04:55:21 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 22:55:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell and LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I attended a Novell / HP seminar on Wednesday in Calgary. They talked alot about moving your enterprise to linux - take out your unix servers and put in linx. Interestingly they did NOT talk about Windows servers. They also talked about deploying linux on the desktop. They stated that Novell is now the #1 contributor to: Gnome - part of the Ximian acquisition KDE - part of SUSE momo - Ximian and a few others that I cannot recall. At the end of the presentation they showed what the next generation of Novell would look like. ... all the normal Novell stuff but running on Linux but not called Netware 7 but rather Open Enterprise Server. You can either install it with a Linux kernel or with a Netware kernel - whatever best fits your network. Their proven eDirectory will be a very welcome addition to the linux world. We must also remember that they now have the one alternative to Microsoft Exchange server for linux ... Groupwise 6.5 on linux. AFAIK this is the only real groupware solution available on linux ... with email, calendaring, scheduling, document collaboration, etc. This will be interesting to watch to see if GroupWise takes off. Some of their other stuff ... the iFolder also seems VERY cool. They also have iManager which is their eDirectory, etc management tool totally ported to be web based. That is a move away from their Console1 java tool or the windows based Netware administrator. So all in all a LOT cooking on the server side.. Then in one of the later slides in the presentation they showed the next generation of desktop - no screen shot though, just a nice logo. Currently they push the Ximian Desktop 2 based on Gnome. The next one will be called Novell Desktop with their branding and color to it. I wonder what it will be based on, Gnome or KDE? or will they take the Redhat Bluecurve idea a step farther and melt the look and feel to make both be similar?? The last slide had a one line mention of LTSP ... no further mention. But a big part of the presentation was about Linux on the desktop... what can all be run now, using WINE or CrossOver Office for those that are not native linux yet. (in fact their XD2 apparently includes CrossOver office....??? did not know that.) Now with Jim giving more of the details, this is certainly to be watched. Novell has suddenly become a VERY BIG player in the linux world. Novell then would also have have a thin client solution, just like Sun, or Microsoft or Citrix ... but based on open source!! Sounds like fun to watch. greetings Joe Guenther -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of jam at mcquil.com Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:50 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com; ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [K12OSN] Novell and LTSP "Will Novell adopt the LTSP project?" That was the question yesterday on Slashdot. Well, it turns out that Novell is indeed working on a thin client solution, and based on my conversation today with Nat Friedman, it is definately based on LTSP. What this means is that Novell has recognized the value that LTSP brings to the market, and that rather than re-invent the wheel, they want to help us prepare LTSP for the enterprise. Nat says that they want to help with features such as security and local device support. And, he assured me that they want to work with us, to make sure that it all works smoothly and it will be done in an open way. Initially, I didn't know how I should react to this. As the day went on, I had a concern that maybe Novell would attempt to take control of the project. I suppose that's a natural reaction. After talking with Nat, a couple of Novell engineers, a few people who were at the Novell dog-n-pony show on tuesday, and some friends, my attitude is that of pride. Pride in the fact that what we have been working on for the past 5 years or so has been recognized by one of the largest software companies in the world and they see potential in what we have created. I for one, am impressed by what Novell is doing with Ximian and SUSE. LTSP is NOT what I do for a living. It's my hobby and my passion. It just amazes me that a bunch of people can get together in their spare time and create something that can have such an impact on the world. Right now, there are schools all over the world using LTSP to deliver computing to children who would otherwise not have it. There are people in Brazil, some of whom are homeless, without a street address, but they have an email address, because LTSP was used by the government in what is called the 'Telecentros'. There are small companies popping up all over the world, by people who believe they can make an honest living by deploying Linux and LTSP based solutions in schools and libraries, government agencies and businesses, such as doctors and lawyers and architects and hardware stores and heck, the list goes on and on. To me, that is so cool. At this point, I'm very interested in what Novell can offer to our little project. At the very least, they are helping to legitimize it. Anyway, back to work. LTSP-4.1 isn't gonna finish itself :) Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Sun May 9 05:10:25 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 00:10:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <409D85FD.7060808@cmosnetworks.com> References: <001201c43512$95413aa0$6701a8c0@SS> <409D09AF.9040306@cmosnetworks.com> <1084035635.9112.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <409D2688.7040206@cmosnetworks.com> <1084044159.9460.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <409D85FD.7060808@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1084079424.10562.66.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-05-08 at 20:14, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > However, > there is an issue we need to consider with such a remaster. Not > everybody's going to be using 192.168.0.254 on their server--me, for > instance. Due to the pre-existence of a DHCP server, and our > unwillingness to allow additional DHCP servers on our network for any > reason, I've got to use the pre-existing IP address scheme for the > clients. That means a single-NIC K12LTSP install, and I'd wager I'm not > the only one in that situation. That may be a matter of policy, and perhaps a common one, but a double-nic k12ltsp server would work transparently in that situation if you can position it between the main network and the classroom switch. That is, it can obtain it's visible address from your existing dhcp and privately provide isolated dhcp service for its clients hidden by NAT from anywhere else. > In the case of our district, we run > subnets of 10.0.0.0/9, giving /20's to all of our schools. The side > benefit of this single-NIC install is that the hard disk can also be > used as a regular file server very easily by the entire school. That doesn't change even if you add a private branch for clients. The one thing that does change that might be worth a policy decision is that if you nat at the nearby server you won't be able to see/log individual IP addresses of the client machines as they go through other systems, like your internet gateway or proxy. However, thin clients don't do anything but X from their own address anyway since all the programs run on the server. > HOWEVER.... > > The applicable effect, when remastering something like Knoppix or Damn > Small, is that we no longer have a thin client that netboots, thus no > longer getting its nfs and tftp parameters from a central, > easy-to-modify DHCP server. It does pick up the dns server and its own domain, though. > Now that IP address (or "those IP > addresses" if you get fancy) are hard-coded into the ISO image. Or, you can use an unqualified hostname as the target. The client will append the domain name given to it, and query the DNS server it got from DHCP for the IP address. This still leaves some possibilities for conflicts but it does keep the process controlled by the server configuration. > Aunt > Tilly will, thus, have to have multiple ISO images for each of her > schools, unless we can somehow safely issue a broadcast query for XDM > servers, which I'd think would solve that issue. You can. However I think the first reply wins if there is more than one server on the subnet. > However, if you've got > more than one K12LTSP server on the same IP subnet, then you've got to > make sure you "broadcast" to the right one, so we're back at Square 1. > Putting each K12LTSP server on its own Layer 3 VLAN would fix that, but > you've got to have the gear to support that. > You get that almost for free if you use 2 nics, but if you put multiple servers on the same flat network you can either do the domain/dns tricks to make a standard name hit the right one, or designate one to handle -indirect queries and let the users select their own server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Sun May 9 20:45:02 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:45:02 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1084097436.1537.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Terrell, I'm posting inline. It's a bit messy but there are several points raised. Notice that I have a "tty7" entry, and also notice the permissions on > it. My Mandrake 9.2 box also goes up to tty9, BTW. Since your listing > stopped at tty6, we have one of two options that I can think of to try out. I tried the following. Move ttyx(9,8,7) to tty(4,5,6) to coincide with the missing ones. No luck. Not sure if this was advisable but it didn't seem to break anything else. > 1.) Make a new device node for tty7. That's kinda ugly, and I'll have > to go remind myself how to do it (it's been a while). I've done this in the past, but only once. I can't remember how, or where I found the info last time. > 2.) Try changing permissions on one of the other tty's to match what my > tty7 has on it. Given that the UID and GID are both root, it shouldn't > make a difference, but it's worth a shot. I'd try it with tty's 4 and 6 > first, since that's what your XFree86.0.log file shows that X11 is > trying before it dies. Tried this, they get changed back to the settings shown by ls. > If 2.) doesn't do the trick, then let us know, and I'll go dust off how > to make device nodes. :-) You've given me a clue here. "device nodes". I couldn't even remember that. Cheers, Bert From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun May 9 21:49:25 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 17:49:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <1084097436.1537.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> <1084097436.1537.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <409EA765.9050006@cmosnetworks.com> Had another idea after that original post. Check out your /etc/inittab file, and look for the line with tty6 in it. It should look like this: 6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 Comment that line out. Then, do one of two things: A.) reboot, or B.) change to runlevel 1, then back to runlevel 5 and let us know how things go. A device node should indeed be made for /dev/tty7-9, but we can do the above as a troubleshooting step. --TP Bert Rolston wrote: >Hi Terrell, > >I'm posting inline. It's a bit messy but there are several points >raised. > >Notice that I have a "tty7" entry, and also notice the permissions on > > >>it. My Mandrake 9.2 box also goes up to tty9, BTW. Since your listing >>stopped at tty6, we have one of two options that I can think of to try out. >> >> > > >I tried the following. > >Move ttyx(9,8,7) to tty(4,5,6) to coincide with the missing ones. No >luck. > >Not sure if this was advisable but it didn't seem to break anything >else. > > > > > >>1.) Make a new device node for tty7. That's kinda ugly, and I'll have >>to go remind myself how to do it (it's been a while). >> >> > >I've done this in the past, but only once. I can't remember how, or >where I found the info last time. > > > >>2.) Try changing permissions on one of the other tty's to match what my >>tty7 has on it. Given that the UID and GID are both root, it shouldn't >>make a difference, but it's worth a shot. I'd try it with tty's 4 and 6 >>first, since that's what your XFree86.0.log file shows that X11 is >>trying before it dies. >> >> > >Tried this, they get changed back to the settings shown by ls. > > > > >>If 2.) doesn't do the trick, then let us know, and I'll go dust off how >>to make device nodes. :-) >> >> > >You've given me a clue here. "device nodes". I couldn't even remember that. > >Cheers, >Bert > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun May 9 23:02:30 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 19:02:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <200405090100.i4910ir01564@downeast.net> References: <200405090100.i4910ir01564@downeast.net> Message-ID: <409EB886.7020705@cmosnetworks.com> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >yerrell-there is no way they will let yourun dhcp on alternate port..?they >let you do tftp on 69 when they don't use it ..nfs on 2049 and they can't >see it..why not dhcp on 1001 or 1067? >I love doing it this way and have all my schools running this way.. >only problem i have ha in a year was someone starting internet connection >sharing on a win box which hardxodes it to 192.168.0.1 which is also my >gateway..........chuck > > Nope, not allowed. Written policy says only the official DHCP server is allowed on the network. Of course, since I'm the DHCP server administrator, I can do what I want with it. :-) But I cannot add another one. Of course, Aunt Tilly the teacher wouldn't know the first thing about DHCP servers at all, let alone running them on nonstandard ports. We've got to remember, we're talking about Aunt Tilly and donated gear here. I've seen others on this list describe their own situations, similar to my own, except they're not the DHCP server admins, so they've got to go beg. When it's found that they've put a second DHCP server (the K12LTSP one) on the network, they've reported getting in trouble, and sometimes it's because they're reversed the Ethernet connections on the K12LTSP server (we all know what that does). A setup like mine would be a perfect fit for these folks, thus respecting both the IT staff and the existing infrastructure. This is a major reason why I have trouble with the notion of Aunt Tilly the teacher standing up gear on the network--of any sort--without going through the IT folks first. Our own school LANs have gotten nailed several times by the Aunt Tillys of the world bringing in their wireless access points from home. These things have their internal DHCP servers turned on to give out 192.168's (remember, we have 10.x.x.x subnets!) so when they hook them up to the school network, they take out the entire school. Yes, this is in violation of written policy. Being the network infrastructure guy, I have to go track down these rogue W.A.P.'s when it happens. During all this, I get to deal with principals, vice principals, and teachers trying to yell at me as if it's *my* fault. Thus, I have a major problem with this. Aunt Tilly needs to leave the network A-L-O-N-E--workstation, thin client, server, or otherwise. It's not her job. That's why we IT folks are here. --TP From troybanther at plateautel.net Sun May 9 23:21:44 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 17:21:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <409EB886.7020705@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200405090100.i4910ir01564@downeast.net> <409EB886.7020705@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1084144904.3020.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Our college has set up a program for professional development of instructors through Title V. The Faculty Development Center. Maybe the Linux community, specifically the Fedora community and the K-12 community, can set up a Fedora Faculty Development Program. You are correct that most instructors don't care about how it works as long as it works for them. I am completely sold on Linux as an educational platform for staff, faculty, and students. Especially as a server platform. I wish I had more experience in the thin client aspect of the Fedora. Troy -- troy banther - fedora core linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From lee at renarts.org Mon May 10 00:32:14 2004 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 17:32:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] server needs Message-ID: <7C1E85A6-A219-11D8-A3CC-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> We're are in the planning stages of setting up our K12ltsp project. We're probably going to end up building our thin clients from scratch, but my concern right now is the server (we'll either be building this ourselves or buying used). I want to get this purchase right the first time. We're a small public charter middle/high school with a performing arts focus--only 92 students this year, doubling next year, and topping out at 250 by year three with no growth in population after that. We're moving into our permanent location this summer. The building has a quite open floor plan and the clients will be scattered throughout the building in open banks of 5 or so. We're going to start with 15 to 20 clients for now, but want to be able to grow to 40-50 by the time we reach max population in year three. We'll be running Open Office and a web browser on the clients, but not much else. So--I want to able to run all the clients off the same server (I think). My main question is, what are the minimum specs I want for a server that will take us through year three in our plan and beyond? There are a lot of choices out there, both in used servers and new components. Any advice from anyone running a similar load on their ltsp server would be appreciated. Lee Myrick Information Services Administrator Renaissance Arts Academy lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org 626-564-0902 home office 323-259-5700 school site From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon May 10 01:04:04 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 21:04:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server needs In-Reply-To: <7C1E85A6-A219-11D8-A3CC-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> References: <7C1E85A6-A219-11D8-A3CC-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Message-ID: <409ED504.8090802@cfl.rr.com> OpenOffice is the hog of the lot, but it sounds like a small installation where you could get by with a recent Athlon processor or Pentium 4 motherboard, with a bunch of RAM. I'd make sure the motherboard takes 12 Gig or better, they are few and far between, but you'll do ok to start with around 4 Gig of RAM, with the ability to expand that up to the full 12 Gig as you grow. If you're on a budget, but need RAID, consider Serial ATA RAID with a 3ware adapter, since that vendor plays very well with linux. I'd also be loading K12LTSP rather than trying to load LTSP ontop of another linux build. Best of luck. BC Lee Myrick wrote: > We're are in the planning stages of setting up our K12ltsp project. > We're probably going to end up building our thin clients from scratch, > but my concern right now is the server (we'll either be building this > ourselves or buying used). I want to get this purchase right the first > time. We're a small public charter middle/high school with a > performing arts focus--only 92 students this year, doubling next year, > and topping out at 250 by year three with no growth in population > after that. > > We're moving into our permanent location this summer. The building has > a quite open floor plan and the clients will be scattered throughout > the building in open banks of 5 or so. We're going to start with 15 to > 20 clients for now, but want to be able to grow to 40-50 by the time > we reach max population in year three. We'll be running Open Office > and a web browser on the clients, but not much else. > > So--I want to able to run all the clients off the same server (I > think). My main question is, what are the minimum specs I want for a > server that will take us through year three in our plan and beyond? > There are a lot of choices out there, both in used servers and new > components. Any advice from anyone running a similar load on their > ltsp server would be appreciated. > > Lee Myrick > Information Services Administrator > Renaissance Arts Academy > lee at renarts.org > http://www.renarts.org > > 626-564-0902 home office > 323-259-5700 school site > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon May 10 01:08:36 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 06:38:36 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <1084144904.3020.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200405090100.i4910ir01564@downeast.net> <409EB886.7020705@cmosnetworks.com> <1084144904.3020.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1084151316.3316.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 04:51, troy banther wrote: > I am completely sold on Linux as an educational platform for staff, > faculty, and students. Especially as a server platform. I wish I had > more experience in the thin client aspect of the Fedora. Troy You already have a lab working, what else are aspects of Fedora and thin clients that you need to know? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Mon May 10 01:26:01 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 20:26:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <409D0F1F.3010404@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Ok, been there done that. Error is: Can't locate module sb.o. Warning: Sound driver not loaded, please specify correct sound module in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 11:47 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? Yep, that's the good ol' SoundBlaster 16. Make sure that, in the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, it has these lines: # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # default sound volume VOLUME = 75 ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: SMODULE_01 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 Then, restart your thin clients, and you should be good to go. You shouldn't have to restart the K12LTSP server itself. --TP Rick O'Dell wrote: > I have some IBM 300PL's, these have sound blaster "ct4170" sound cards. I >cannot get them to work. Any help would sure be appreciated, as I have >several of these cards.... >Rick O'Dell >Net Work Administrator >Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. >Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:05 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? > > >Your IBM 300GL boxes will rock as clients. I have a room full of 25 >Pentiums with 32MB DRAM. Some are 166's, some are 233's, and with the >100Mbps NICs in 'em, the users don't know the difference. :-) These, >like yours, also have the old Soundblaster 16 cards, and yes, sound >works perfectly on them in LTSP client mode. > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.241 / Virus Database: 262.9.17 - Release Date: 5/7/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.241 / Virus Database: 262.9.18 - Release Date: 5/9/2004 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 10 01:31:36 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 21:31:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server needs In-Reply-To: <7C1E85A6-A219-11D8-A3CC-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> References: <7C1E85A6-A219-11D8-A3CC-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Message-ID: <409EDB78.10402@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Lee, If you take a look through the archives, you'll find several threads on exactly this subject. Well worth reading. In my experience, the biggest issue will be DRAM, folllowed immediately by network bandwidth. If you're going to grow to 40-50, then, in my opinion, you should start out with 4GB and just be done with it. My rule of thumb is 100MB per client, but that assumes KDE or GNOME. For IceWM, I'd say closer to 50MB/client. Also, you'll want to do nothing less than Gigabit Ethernet on your server. The clients should be 100Mbps, Full Duplex, on a switched network. If you don't have this kind of infrastructure, it won't matter if you have K12LTSP running on a mainframe; it'll still be dawg-slow. I use twin Athlon 1700+'s for CPUs, 4GB DRAM, and Gig-E over fiber, along with an 80GB IDE disk. This is for 25 clients. So far, so good. But, were I to build a server again today, I'd go straight for a dual-Opteron system that can take at least 8MB, and the more, the better. The reason for this is that GNOME and KDE, like everything else with lots of eye candy, are getting to take more and more DRAM, and my users run their choice of GNOME or KDE. Were I giving them XFce (one of my favorite desktops, BTW), this would change drastically. So, the answer is, "it depends." --TP Lee Myrick wrote: > We're are in the planning stages of setting up our K12ltsp project. > We're probably going to end up building our thin clients from scratch, > but my concern right now is the server (we'll either be building this > ourselves or buying used). I want to get this purchase right the first > time. We're a small public charter middle/high school with a > performing arts focus--only 92 students this year, doubling next year, > and topping out at 250 by year three with no growth in population > after that. > > We're moving into our permanent location this summer. The building has > a quite open floor plan and the clients will be scattered throughout > the building in open banks of 5 or so. We're going to start with 15 to > 20 clients for now, but want to be able to grow to 40-50 by the time > we reach max population in year three. We'll be running Open Office > and a web browser on the clients, but not much else. > > So--I want to able to run all the clients off the same server (I > think). My main question is, what are the minimum specs I want for a > server that will take us through year three in our plan and beyond? > There are a lot of choices out there, both in used servers and new > components. Any advice from anyone running a similar load on their > ltsp server would be appreciated. From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Mon May 10 03:15:15 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 23:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Advice of home cable modem gateway for student's home. Message-ID: <1037.10.101.1.178.1084158915.squirrel@www.austintown.k12.oh.us> Greetings, I am in a real pickle. I need to supply a student's home with a cable modem gateway which filters and/or logs web traffic. And has an easy enough interface for mom and dad. Options? ClarkConnect Home Edition ? SME Server ? LTSPK12 with DansGuardian and Webmin ? Go with some PC/Windows based solution ? Thank you for your time, Tom Ventresco Austintown Local Schools From haysja at sages.us Mon May 10 02:42:58 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 21:42:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Advice of home cable modem gateway for student's home. In-Reply-To: <1037.10.101.1.178.1084158915.squirrel@www.austintown.k12.oh.us> References: <1037.10.101.1.178.1084158915.squirrel@www.austintown.k12.oh.us> Message-ID: <1084156978.409eec3253493@sages.us> Will this be a separate box? I would go with IPCop with DansGuradian. It will run on pretty much any PC. It is a smaller ISO than SME. www.ipcop.org Quoting aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org: > Greetings, > I am in a real pickle. I need to supply a student's home with a cable > modem gateway which filters and/or logs web traffic. And has an easy > enough interface for mom and dad. Options? > ClarkConnect Home Edition ? > SME Server ? > LTSPK12 with DansGuardian and Webmin ? > Go with some PC/Windows based solution ? > Thank you for your time, > Tom Ventresco > Austintown Local Schools > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon May 10 02:51:59 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:51:59 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <409EA765.9050006@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> <1084097436.1537.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409EA765.9050006@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1084157519.1233.10.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Terrell, OK, I tried the inittab changes, and learned the frustration of VIM while making these changes. I still get the same error message, but instead of respawning ID 4-6 errors this has been reduced to 4 & 5 only. Methinks I need to recreate the nodes. Cheers, Bert On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 09:49, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Had another idea after that original post. Check out your /etc/inittab > file, and look for the line with tty6 in it. It should look like this: > > 6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 > > Comment that line out. Then, do one of two things: > > A.) reboot, or > B.) change to runlevel 1, then back to runlevel 5 > > and let us know how things go. A device node should indeed be made for > /dev/tty7-9, but we can do the above as a troubleshooting step. > > --TP > > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >Hi Terrell, > > > >I'm posting inline. It's a bit messy but there are several points > >raised. > > > >Notice that I have a "tty7" entry, and also notice the permissions on > > > > > >>it. My Mandrake 9.2 box also goes up to tty9, BTW. Since your listing > >>stopped at tty6, we have one of two options that I can think of to try out. > >> > >> > > > > > >I tried the following. > > > >Move ttyx(9,8,7) to tty(4,5,6) to coincide with the missing ones. No > >luck. > > > >Not sure if this was advisable but it didn't seem to break anything > >else. > > > > > > > > > > > >>1.) Make a new device node for tty7. That's kinda ugly, and I'll have > >>to go remind myself how to do it (it's been a while). > >> > >> > > > >I've done this in the past, but only once. I can't remember how, or > >where I found the info last time. > > > > > > > >>2.) Try changing permissions on one of the other tty's to match what my > >>tty7 has on it. Given that the UID and GID are both root, it shouldn't > >>make a difference, but it's worth a shot. I'd try it with tty's 4 and 6 > >>first, since that's what your XFree86.0.log file shows that X11 is > >>trying before it dies. > >> > >> > > > >Tried this, they get changed back to the settings shown by ls. > > > > > > > > > >>If 2.) doesn't do the trick, then let us know, and I'll go dust off how > >>to make device nodes. :-) > >> > >> > > > >You've given me a clue here. "device nodes". I couldn't even remember that. > > > >Cheers, > >Bert > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon May 10 03:00:58 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:00:58 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Advice of home cable modem gateway for student's home. In-Reply-To: <1037.10.101.1.178.1084158915.squirrel@www.austintown.k12.oh.us> References: <1037.10.101.1.178.1084158915.squirrel@www.austintown.k12.oh.us> Message-ID: <1084158057.1233.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Tom, I would agree with Jim's suggestion of IPCOP. I'm using it for my home network with a 56k modem. We have 2 windows machines, a dual boot win/linux, and my FC1 box using it regularly. Nice web interface, and plenty of plugins. Cheers, Bert On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 15:15, aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > Greetings, > I am in a real pickle. I need to supply a student's home with a cable > modem gateway which filters and/or logs web traffic. And has an easy > enough interface for mom and dad. Options? > ClarkConnect Home Edition ? > SME Server ? > LTSPK12 with DansGuardian and Webmin ? > Go with some PC/Windows based solution ? > Thank you for your time, > Tom Ventresco > Austintown Local Schools > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From shahnawaz_azam at yahoo.com Mon May 10 03:39:40 2004 From: shahnawaz_azam at yahoo.com (shahnawaz azam) Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 20:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <408E4617.7090504@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20040510033940.94118.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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I can't imagine teaching reading and writing in an old school environment again. The results are too compelling, the power and productivity undeniable. I'd love to share this with other teachers... which is where this conversation should be going. How can we, the users like me, an English teacher with only passing experience with Linux, help you, the developers make, K12LTSP easier for other neophytes to get their own K12LTSP network running and reap the benefits of a networked learning environment? Message from the trenches: the number one issue is money, second;expect little help. Schools don't have money and if they do the IT funds go through Information Services, which for the most part, are MicroSerfs looking to protect their jobs, know nothing about Linux and spend a lot of their time saying "no". Yes, there are exceptions to this but they are few and far between. So, donations are the only alternative aside from spending your own money and I'm embarrassed to say how much money I've spent on supplies for my students and the room;I have received %10 total reimbursement. On the bright side, computer donations flooded my room with just a whisper to the community that I could use them. Faced with a room full of donations came the next big problem: getting them to run on the network... and that's where I ask for more help. Getting older boxes with a variety of NICS, video cards and monitors to work on K12LTSP is a __no joy__ experience. Only the determination and a lot of help from a Linux buddy would I be able to make the claim that all of my ~33*5 students are now able to log on, read, research the web, take on-line tests, and write papers everyday. In closing, perhaps making the primary ISO a micro installer, like Knoppix, that puts all of the drivers needed for the NIC, video and monitor on the hard-drive of the client and set the bash to X -query the server. Ideally, for Aunt Tilly and I, it would be a matter of popping the CD into the computer, hooking up whatever monitor is available, connecting to the network, booting from the cd in the new donation, installer picks up NIC, video and monitor, sends a message to the server and writes the bash to X -query the server at boot up. This is, more or less, what we're doing now to get our older donated machines on the network. Aunt Tilly wouldn't be able to do it. It's time consuming and sometimes frustrating and could be totally automated in the install script... An option in the installer for server and 'client drivers' would be a big big help. I thank you for your time, energy, and hard work on K12LTSP; it has changed, for the good, my 33*5 students' lives and is allowing me to quickly transfer skills they will need to succeed tomorrow. Anything you can do to make it easier to install on older donated equipment would greatly increase the likelihood that more teachers, like me, will install and reap the benefits of a networked learning environment. Teachers are coming in regularly asking how they can do the same thing; I want to be able to truthfully tell them, "It's easy". best Dennis enormous flexibility and power that a teacher needs. Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Steven Santos wrote: > >>> Dennis Daniels wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> A plea from a teacher in the treches: make it easier to get older >>>> machines, random NICS and ancient monitors into use as clients is a >>>> good thing for schools; something that Aunt Tilly the Teacher, and >>>> I, can use. ;) >>>> >> No, what we really need is a diagnostics CD (ala KNOPIX) that will >> boot the terminal as a semi-fat client, connect to the LTSP server, >> output all of the correct config options for that terminal's lts.conf >> entry (maybe even auto add the entry in lts.conf?) a link to the >> proper rom-o-matic image and maybe a nice script to create a boot >> floppy/HD boot image from the ROM image. >> >> If we had such an uber utility, then Aunt Tilly might be able to make >> it work without the need for an IT guru to install each and every new >> donated >> terminal. Just pop in the diag CD, enter the proper password (to add >> it to >> lts.conf), click on the r-o-m button if needed, and your done. >> >> Best part is that such a utility would also be useful to IT people. >> How much time would this utility save you every month? Food for thought. > > If you want Aunt Tilly the teacher to be using LTSP thin clients in her > class, then I have no problem with that and in fact encourage it > heartily. But if you don't want to get Aunt Tilly the teacher someone > who knows what they're doing with technology, then get Aunt Tilly the > teacher a bunch of pre-packaged thin clients; you cannot expect Aunt > Tilly to be able to build a box at all, let alone out of a bunch of > donated, random hardware! DisklessWorkstations.com sells some nice thin > clients, I hear; that's why such companies exist. You don't even need a > boot floppy with them; just plug and go. > > *That* is the solution for Aunt Tilly the teacher, not dumping a bunch > of old, random hardware in her lap and expecting her to build working > boxes out of it. She needs to teach. It is *our* job as IT people (for > those of us that are IT people) to have the technical knowledge to > support her technology-based classroom teaching. That's why we IT folks > get paid for what we do. From robark at telus.net Mon May 10 03:51:56 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 20:51:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adaptec AIC 79xx SCSI controller driver? Message-ID: <200405092051.56662.robark@telus.net> **Didn't get any bites couple days ago so I'm reposting** I'm installing K12LTSP 3.1.2 (Redhat 9.0) and I was wondering which driver I should use for the Adaptec AIC 7902 SCSI controller? As far as I know, my options are 1) the driver which comes with 3.1.2 (which I think is old/buggy) 2) version 1.3.11 (Aug 4, 2003) from http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/DUD/aic79xx/ 3) version 2.0.10 (Apr 14, 2004) from http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/DUD/aic79xx/ I'm using two scsi drives connected to seperate scsi channels on the MB. Replies much appreciated Robert Arkiletian From ddaniels at magic.fr Mon May 10 04:15:30 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 21:15:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <409EB886.7020705@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200405090100.i4910ir01564@downeast.net> <409EB886.7020705@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <409F01E2.5070108@magic.fr> Terrell, I appreciate your perspective and you're right, there are a lot of things that Aunt Tilly shouldn't do on a network but keep in mind that change in the classroom never comes from the top; it comes from teachers like me who, having worked in the 'real world' of networked offices and instant communications with co-workers experience culture shock walking backwards in time into the classrooms of most schools today. Most of our students are graduating; ready for 19th century technology, not the 21st. I've been able to count on my IT folks at school to say no to every request I've made, to let work orders go stale for months and ignore my requests for simple things like homework drop boxes on the school's network. I don't have access to POP, can't install anything on my workstation and can't publish students' grades on the schools' website because of 'security issues'. I imagine, if you're a school admin, which it sounds like you are, then you're teachers are happy campers. My teacher friends, on other campuses, have nothing but horror stories, echoing mine, about their IT situation. What I'm saying is that IT folks are often NOT there, have never taught, and have no idea what it means to face a room full of students who don't have log-ins or have to tell them 'the network is down ... again'. I imagine your teachers are lucky. The one's I know, who are trying to use the network provided by the IT folks, receive miserable service; ergo my choice to build my own and escape the tyranny of the 'nay-sayers' in IT. This dialog is very useful in my opinion. This list is often about hardware purchases, or software settings but rarely about what it's like for the 'little guy' using the K12LTSP on a daily basis in the classroom with students and the pressures that entails. My respect for what you do, Terrell, and the rest of the admins on this, list is enormous. I'm an admin now because I have to be, not because I want to be, and it's a damn hard job. Making it easier for more teachers like me to set up micro-networks in schools, a little haven of sanity in the chaos that is most school's IT network, is a big and worthy goal. Because, traction for ideas like K12LTSP only comes from teachers who get it working and running, and showing it off to all curious and the nay-sayers, is the only way it will be embraced in the larger context. The easier it is to cycle in donated hardware and to build larger networks the more likely we'll be able to give our students access to the tools they will need to be productive members of an increasingly technically sophisticated world. best, Dennis best, Dennis > > > This is a major reason why I have trouble with the notion of Aunt Tilly > the teacher standing up gear on the network--of any sort--without going > through the IT folks first. Our own school LANs have gotten nailed > several times by the Aunt Tillys of the world bringing in their wireless > access points from home. These things have their internal DHCP servers > turned on to give out 192.168's (remember, we have 10.x.x.x subnets!) so > when they hook them up to the school network, they take out the entire > school. Yes, this is in violation of written policy. Being the network > infrastructure guy, I have to go track down these rogue W.A.P.'s when it > happens. During all this, I get to deal with principals, vice > principals, and teachers trying to yell at me as if it's *my* fault. > Thus, I have a major problem with this. > > Aunt Tilly needs to leave the network A-L-O-N-E--workstation, thin > client, server, or otherwise. It's not her job. That's why we IT folks > are here. > > > > --TP From les at futuresource.com Mon May 10 04:17:14 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 23:17:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Adaptec AIC 79xx SCSI controller driver? In-Reply-To: <200405092051.56662.robark@telus.net> References: <200405092051.56662.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <1084162633.23401.42.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-05-09 at 22:51, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > **Didn't get any bites couple days ago so I'm reposting** > > I'm installing K12LTSP 3.1.2 (Redhat 9.0) and I was wondering which driver I > should use for the Adaptec AIC 7902 SCSI controller? > I'd recommend moving to the fedora-based version because it will work out of the box. Penguin's relion 140's use this controller and come with RH9 pre-installed with a modified aic79xx.o, but you can't boot a stock install CD without a driver disk and if you let apt or yum update your kernel it likely won't boot. I can probably dig up a copy of the driver but I'm not sure it will work on other machines and I haven't used it to install from scratch. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon May 10 05:21:54 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 01:21:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <20040510034848.1B3D973316@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040510034848.1B3D973316@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1084166514.28676.30.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Hello, A parent in our school is donating 3 Compaq 6000's servers to our school. They are quad P450's with 1 GB RAM and an array of 9GB HD's. I think they can handle 8GB RAM. I didn't shop too long but it looks like the going rate is about 260.00 USD per 1 GB stick of ram. Would it be a worth investment to spend the $ to add 3 GB to these beasts and use them for a K12 server?. How does a quad 450 stack up against a current model single processor at say 1.8Ghz John From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Mon May 10 09:46:42 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 05:46:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSS, reading assessment/writing assignment In-Reply-To: <409EB886.7020705@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200405090100.i4910ir01564@downeast.net> <409EB886.7020705@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <409F4F82.6050900@snet.net> Check this out: http://baldwinets.tripod.com/school/osspaper.pdf It's an article about open source software and it's use in schools. I wrote it to be used in my 7th grade Language Arts class. The article and questions meet objectives for preparation for the Connecticut Mastery Test in reading comprehension, and the related essay assignment meets similar objectives in writing. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 10 12:22:52 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:22:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <409F01E2.5070108@magic.fr> References: <200405090100.i4910ir01564@downeast.net> <409EB886.7020705@cmosnetworks.com> <409F01E2.5070108@magic.fr> Message-ID: <409F741C.4060100@cmosnetworks.com> I am indeed sorry to hear that your IT folks are not on your side. That is a very unfortunate situation to be in, and I do know something of that feeling. But we're not all like that. You're right; my district is lucky to have folks like me and others on this list, chiefly because we actually want to help. It sounds like you have little choice but to go your own way, and the fact that your situation has made this necessary is at best regrettable, and in my opinion, inexcusable. One thing I do take some exception to, though, is this apparent assumption on the part of a lot of teachers I've met that, just because I am not a regular classroom teacher, that I am "lesser" or "the enemy" or "you don't know a thing about what we actually do, so don't talk to me, you non-teacher!". Such teachers, and their principals/vice principals who back this attitude, are just dead wrong when they speak of me this way, and, sadly, they do it often--to my bosses, behind my back--when I'm there to help them. My point wasn't to knock teachers or folks like you; on the contrary, I encourage you heartily. Rather, it was to say that the Aunt Tillys of the world shouldn't be messing with a network without having learned something about what they're doing *first*, which it sounds like you have. I most certainly encourage that and wish more would! It'd make my job a whole lot easier. I'm not an individual site admin myself anymore, but I interface a lot with the site admins of the individual schools. I'm actually one of four infrastructure guys for all 246 sites of ours, so if it says Cisco on it, it's my job to make sure it keeps working, and that includes the new wireless rollout. As part of that, I also run several servers of various types (HP OpenView, etc.). You want help from IT folks? You got it; I'll put my floppy disk where my drive is. I've made this offer before, and I'll make it again. If you're a school employee out there in the greater Washington, DC area, are in a similar situation as Dennis, and thinking about running LTSP, K12LTSP, or a Free/Net/OpenBSD equivalent in your school, I am willing to help you. I'm also willing to help you if you're not in Dennis's type of situation, i. e. your IT folks support you properly. My price is a Hershey's Symphony bar (the big one--I love those) and possibly lunch, and yes, this offer is for real. I even have a dual-Athlon server with 4GB DRAM and Gig-E to use for demos. Any takers? --TP Dennis Daniels wrote: > Terrell, > I appreciate your perspective and you're right, there are a lot of > things that Aunt Tilly shouldn't do on a network but keep in mind that > change in the classroom never comes from the top; it comes from > teachers like me who, having worked in the 'real world' of networked > offices and instant communications with co-workers experience culture > shock walking backwards in time into the classrooms of most schools > today. Most of our students are graduating; ready for 19th century > technology, not the 21st. > > I've been able to count on my IT folks at school to say no to every > request I've made, to let work orders go stale for months and ignore > my requests for simple things like homework drop boxes on the school's > network. I don't have access to POP, can't install anything on my > workstation and can't publish students' grades on the schools' website > because of 'security issues'. I imagine, if you're a school admin, > which it sounds like you are, then you're teachers are happy campers. > My teacher friends, on other campuses, have nothing but horror > stories, echoing mine, about their IT situation. > > What I'm saying is that IT folks are often NOT there, have never > taught, and have no idea what it means to face a room full of students > who don't have log-ins or have to tell them 'the network is down ... > again'. I imagine your teachers are lucky. The one's I know, who are > trying to use the network provided by the IT folks, receive miserable > service; ergo my choice to build my own and escape the tyranny of the > 'nay-sayers' in IT. > > This dialog is very useful in my opinion. This list is often about > hardware purchases, or software settings but rarely about what it's > like for the 'little guy' using the K12LTSP on a daily basis in the > classroom with students and the pressures that entails. My respect for > what you do, Terrell, and the rest of the admins on this, list is > enormous. I'm an admin now because I have to be, not because I want to > be, and it's a damn hard job. Making it easier for more teachers like > me to set up micro-networks in schools, a little haven of sanity in > the chaos that is most school's IT network, is a big and worthy goal. > Because, traction for ideas like K12LTSP only comes from teachers who > get it working and running, and showing it off to all curious and the > nay-sayers, is the only way it will be embraced in the larger context. > The easier it is to cycle in donated hardware and to build larger > networks the more likely we'll be able to give our students access to > the tools they will need to be productive members of an increasingly > technically sophisticated world. > > best, > Dennis > > > best, > Dennis > > >> >> >> This is a major reason why I have trouble with the notion of Aunt >> Tilly the teacher standing up gear on the network--of any >> sort--without going through the IT folks first. Our own school LANs >> have gotten nailed several times by the Aunt Tillys of the world >> bringing in their wireless access points from home. These things have >> their internal DHCP servers turned on to give out 192.168's >> (remember, we have 10.x.x.x subnets!) so when they hook them up to >> the school network, they take out the entire school. Yes, this is in >> violation of written policy. Being the network infrastructure guy, I >> have to go track down these rogue W.A.P.'s when it happens. During >> all this, I get to deal with principals, vice principals, and >> teachers trying to yell at me as if it's *my* fault. Thus, I have a >> major problem with this. >> >> Aunt Tilly needs to leave the network A-L-O-N-E--workstation, thin >> client, server, or otherwise. It's not her job. That's why we IT >> folks are here. >> >> >> >> --TP > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon May 10 12:30:40 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:30:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mplayer Install Message-ID: I have been trying to get MPlayer to work on thin clients without success. I have installed mplayer and it does work on the server. It is installed in /usr/share/mplayer. I created a link and put it on roots desktop. Then I dragged the link over the script to put it on all users desktops. If you download an mpg file and double click on it it lets you know there is no association. I tried to use the link as the association and it won't work. I also tried to associate directly to mplayer and no dice as well. Any other ideas? This on is making me nuts! Joe Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon May 10 12:33:32 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:33:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Advice of home cable modem gateway for student's home. In-Reply-To: <1037.10.101.1.178.1084158915.squirrel@www.austintown.k12.oh.us> References: <1037.10.101.1.178.1084158915.squirrel@www.austintown.k12.oh.us> Message-ID: I would use SME server. It's the easiest to set up. Virtually no overhead for the situation you are speaking of. And the web interface is VERY easy to use. I would install the sme 6.0.1 contribs version with Dans and Clam AV. Also, you can go to dungog.net and get a slick web interface to config Dan's Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 10 12:34:09 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:34:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <1084166514.28676.30.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> References: <20040510034848.1B3D973316@hormel.redhat.com> <1084166514.28676.30.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Message-ID: <409F76C1.8030000@cmosnetworks.com> Funny you should ask. Our mail dudez recently gave us an "old" quad 500MHz Compaq box with RAID 5 (I think it's an 8000) and 2.5GB DRAM, and K12LTSP 3.1.2 now runs on it. So, I can give you feedback about my box. All of my apps' threads each run at the speed of the 500Mhz chips, but since I have four chips, things balance out very nicely. Response time is quite sufficient. The RAID 5 is great; if I need to swap, it's much faster than on a single disk. Loading programs is also quite fast for an "old" box like this, due partly to the RAID 5. Now, my Dual Athlon box will handily smoke this quad 500 when it comes to anything CPU-bound, and I haven't done a head-to-head scientific comparo, but my quad 500 certainly does the job. I think it'd be worth it to toss that 3GB DRAM into your quad 450. Remember, with more than one CPU, you can actually be physically executing multiple processes at the same time. And you're getting three of 'em? I'd so be all over that.... --TP John Baillie wrote: >Hello, > >A parent in our school is donating 3 Compaq 6000's servers to our >school. They are quad P450's with 1 GB RAM and an array of 9GB HD's. I >think they can handle 8GB RAM. I didn't shop too long but it looks like >the going rate is about 260.00 USD per 1 GB stick of ram. Would it be a >worth investment to spend the $ to add 3 GB to these beasts and use them >for a K12 server?. > >How does a quad 450 stack up against a current model single processor at >say 1.8Ghz > >John > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon May 10 12:41:50 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:41:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server needs In-Reply-To: <7C1E85A6-A219-11D8-A3CC-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> References: <7C1E85A6-A219-11D8-A3CC-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Message-ID: I have built a server for $2100.00 with the following specs. Dual Xeon 2.6ghs 533/.mhz bus Intel SE7501HG2 Mainboard 3GB RAM 3x 36GB SCSI 15k HDD CDROM FDD Supermicro tower chasis (comes with SCA backplane) I can run 35 thinclients with no issues. I would use 50mb or RAM per client regardless of the GUI. However, the more RAM the happier the server. You can get the above parts from Micro Computer Center ATTN: Joe Lore joe at mcc-ma.com 781-933-5530 x110 "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >We're are in the planning stages of setting up our K12ltsp project. >We're probably going to end up building our thin clients from scratch, >but my concern right now is the server (we'll either be building this >ourselves or buying used). I want to get this purchase right the first >time. We're a small public charter middle/high school with a >performing >arts focus--only 92 students this year, doubling next year, and >topping >out at 250 by year three with no growth in population after that. > >We're moving into our permanent location this summer. The building has >a quite open floor plan and the clients will be scattered throughout >the building in open banks of 5 or so. We're going to start with 15 to >20 clients for now, but want to be able to grow to 40-50 by the time >we >reach max population in year three. We'll be running Open Office and a >web browser on the clients, but not much else. > >So--I want to able to run all the clients off the same server (I >think). My main question is, what are the minimum specs I want for a >server that will take us through year three in our plan and beyond? >There are a lot of choices out there, both in used servers and new >components. Any advice from anyone running a similar load on their >ltsp >server would be appreciated. > >Lee Myrick >Information Services Administrator >Renaissance Arts Academy >lee at renarts.org >http://www.renarts.org > >626-564-0902 home office >323-259-5700 school site > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From troybanther at plateautel.net Mon May 10 12:51:31 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 06:51:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <409F76C1.8030000@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20040510034848.1B3D973316@hormel.redhat.com> <1084166514.28676.30.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> <409F76C1.8030000@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1084193491.3014.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Wow the knowledge on this list is great! Oops! Thinking and writing out loud. -- troy banther - fedora core linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From julius at turtle.com Mon May 10 13:13:47 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't change IP address for eth1?!?! In-Reply-To: <409BE168.9090403@pacifier.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 May 2004, Duane Wilson wrote: > troubleshooting intermitent problem with eth1. I changed ip address to > 192.168.2.1 and connected my laptop directly to it with a crossover cable. > Done troubleshooting and now am trying to change back to the internet > ip address I started with. Changed the setting in > /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth1. Rebooted. > > ifconfig still shows 192.168.2.1. > > Did a cold reboot - no change! > > What am I missing here? > Duane, you are missing /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 julius From austinsr at uindy.edu Mon May 10 13:26:19 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:26:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <1084166514.28676.30.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> References: <20040510034848.1B3D973316@hormel.redhat.com> <1084166514.28676.30.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Message-ID: <1084195579.21899.14.camel@gentoo.is.uindy.edu> A quad 450 doesn't hold a candle to a 1.8GHz machine. You will find it very slow and sluggish. I used a similar setup for a few days while I was having my server replaced, and I hated every minute of it. If you do a benchmark on a 1.8GHz machine, and the quad 450, you will find that the quad 450 does not even rank in the same ball park. You also must consider that the ram that is in such a old machine will not be anywhere as quick as a modern machine would have. If you are tight on cash, I would take the $260.00*3($780), and check out dells web site and find something on sale for cheap. http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/desktops?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs ($439 for P4 2.66GHz w/533MHz front side bus) Then head over to http://www.pricewatch.com/menus/m33.htm and pick up some ram with the $341 left over. You will be much happier with the performance of that machine than you will the Compaqs. On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 00:21, John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > A parent in our school is donating 3 Compaq 6000's servers to our > school. They are quad P450's with 1 GB RAM and an array of 9GB HD's. I > think they can handle 8GB RAM. I didn't shop too long but it looks like > the going rate is about 260.00 USD per 1 GB stick of ram. Would it be a > worth investment to spend the $ to add 3 GB to these beasts and use them > for a K12 server?. > > How does a quad 450 stack up against a current model single processor at > say 1.8Ghz > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon May 10 13:50:27 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:50:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <1084195579.21899.14.camel@gentoo.is.uindy.edu> References: <20040510034848.1B3D973316@hormel.redhat.com> <1084166514.28676.30.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> <1084195579.21899.14.camel@gentoo.is.uindy.edu> Message-ID: <1084197026.25554.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 08:26, Shawn Austin wrote: > If you do a benchmark on a 1.8GHz machine, and the quad 450, you will > find that the quad 450 does not even rank in the same ball park. You > also must consider that the ram that is in such a old machine will not > be anywhere as quick as a modern machine would have. > They probably would make very good file servers to hold home or shared directories if the existing drives are big enough. File service is not as CPU intensive as application service and you could take advantage of the RAID and hot-swap backplane. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Mon May 10 13:58:52 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: 10 May 2004 09:58:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: RoboDemo] Message-ID: <1084197532.3549.86.camel@L143nb01> Hi folks, Does anyone know of a Open Source application that would meet the following need. -----Forwarded Message----- > From: "Guenther, Peter" > I'm looking for an app that would let me record myself performing the > Computer Applications exercises and then save them in Flash format. The > best option looks to be Macromedia RoboDemo, which is reasonably priced > and I will try to get the money out of the income for the Summer School > class. FYI, our Computer Application class is teaching OpenOffice. So we are looking for a tool to capture exercises completed in OpenOffice on Linux. -- Thanks, John Hansknecht Director of Technology University of Detroit Jesuit High School & Academy email: john with a period hansknecht circle a uofdhigh.k12.mi.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From haysja at sages.us Mon May 10 14:25:44 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:25:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: RoboDemo] In-Reply-To: <1084197532.3549.86.camel@L143nb01> References: <1084197532.3549.86.camel@L143nb01> Message-ID: <409F90E8.6070708@sages.us> Here are instructions on how to do this: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/03/04/screen_capture_movies.html John Hansknecht wrote: >Hi folks, > >Does anyone know of a Open Source application that would meet the >following need. > >-----Forwarded Message----- > > > >>From: "Guenther, Peter" >>I'm looking for an app that would let me record myself performing the >>Computer Applications exercises and then save them in Flash format. The >>best option looks to be Macromedia RoboDemo, which is reasonably priced >>and I will try to get the money out of the income for the Summer School >>class. >> >> > >FYI, our Computer Application class is teaching OpenOffice. So we are looking >for a tool to capture exercises completed in OpenOffice on Linux. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon May 10 14:31:07 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:07 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] server needs Message-ID: <051020041431.13673.409F922B000D55DE000035692200763704FF8C9196948F90979E@comcast.net> I find that the Supermicro MB work very nicely. NCS is running 40-50 clients off of X5DP8-G2 with 4Gb memory, 2010s zero channel RAID card and using 15K SCSI drives. (18.2GB are rather inexpensive) MB specs: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DP8-G2.cfm Other on the list have used Tyan, etc. Search the archives for this, it is routinely discussed. I know that I have sent the complete specs for NCS servers at least once. :) Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > I have built a server for $2100.00 with the following specs. > > Dual Xeon 2.6ghs 533/.mhz bus > Intel SE7501HG2 Mainboard > 3GB RAM > 3x 36GB SCSI 15k HDD > CDROM > FDD > Supermicro tower chasis (comes with SCA backplane) > > I can run 35 thinclients with no issues. I would use 50mb or RAM per > client regardless of the GUI. However, the more RAM the happier the > server. > > You can get the above parts from > > Micro Computer Center > ATTN: Joe Lore > joe at mcc-ma.com > 781-933-5530 x110 > > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >We're are in the planning stages of setting up our K12ltsp project. > >We're probably going to end up building our thin clients from scratch, > >but my concern right now is the server (we'll either be building this > >ourselves or buying used). I want to get this purchase right the first > >time. We're a small public charter middle/high school with a > >performing > >arts focus--only 92 students this year, doubling next year, and > >topping > >out at 250 by year three with no growth in population after that. > > > >We're moving into our permanent location this summer. The building has > >a quite open floor plan and the clients will be scattered throughout > >the building in open banks of 5 or so. We're going to start with 15 to > >20 clients for now, but want to be able to grow to 40-50 by the time > >we > >reach max population in year three. We'll be running Open Office and a > >web browser on the clients, but not much else. > > > >So--I want to able to run all the clients off the same server (I > >think). My main question is, what are the minimum specs I want for a > >server that will take us through year three in our plan and beyond? > >There are a lot of choices out there, both in used servers and new > >components. Any advice from anyone running a similar load on their > >ltsp > >server would be appreciated. > > > >Lee Myrick > >Information Services Administrator > >Renaissance Arts Academy > >lee at renarts.org > >http://www.renarts.org > > > >626-564-0902 home office > >323-259-5700 school site > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > Joe Faletra > School Administrative Unit 16 > Districts Manager for Technology Support Services > T: 603-775-8576 > F: 603-775-8487 > http://www.sau16.org > > > > > DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE > INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential > and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. > If you have received this communication in error, please call us > immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the > communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail > that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail > may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or > contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as > a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is > required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tim at litwiller.net Mon May 10 15:50:16 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:50:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Advice of home cable modem gateway for student's home. In-Reply-To: <1037.10.101.1.178.1084158915.squirrel@www.austintown.k12.oh.us> References: <1037.10.101.1.178.1084158915.squirrel@www.austintown.k12.oh.us> Message-ID: <409FA4B8.7030201@litwiller.net> I see you have some good suggestions already - ipcop with dansguardian or censornet. would be my 2 favorites for your situation. aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: >Greetings, >I am in a real pickle. I need to supply a student's home with a cable >modem gateway which filters and/or logs web traffic. And has an easy >enough interface for mom and dad. Options? >ClarkConnect Home Edition ? >SME Server ? >LTSPK12 with DansGuardian and Webmin ? >Go with some PC/Windows based solution ? >Thank you for your time, >Tom Ventresco >Austintown Local Schools > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Mon May 10 15:55:48 2004 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (dale.quigg at aspentech.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:55:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Advice of home cable modem gateway for student's Message-ID: > Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 23:15:15 -0400 (EDT) > From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org > I need to supply a student's home with a cable modem gateway which > filters and/or logs web traffic. And has an easy enough interface > for mom and dad. Options? > > ClarkConnect Home Edition ? > SME Server ? > LTSPK12 with DansGuardian and Webmin ? > Go with some PC/Windows based solution ? Hi Tom, A long time ago, installed SME on a system, but I'm not up to date on it. More recently, I've installed IPCop, ClarkConnect, and CensorNet (www.censornet.com) for an application I had. I ended up using ClarkConnect. However, if a nice graphical interface is a primary concern, I'd choose CensorNet. It allows a "regular" person to run reports and add sites to the blacklists via a GUI. It is by default more restrictive that others, but this may be a good thing. For example, you have to specify (or probe) for allowed MAC addresses that will even get internet connectivity. IPCop is good, but you have to get Dansguardian from a contributor. As of a few months ago, the version of Dansguardian was fairly old and this version has a big bug where the user can easily get around the filter. So, I'd either choose CensorNet or ClarkConnect since both of those are well supported and updated. Hope this helps. Dale From mjenkins at breweredu.org Mon May 10 16:34:47 2004 From: mjenkins at breweredu.org (Mark Jenkins) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:34:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Qcad Pro. Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Mon May 10 16:48:58 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (xyz xyz) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Session Time Out In-Reply-To: <20040510143120.6A004738C2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040510164858.88607.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> Is there a setting that controls time-out's. It appears that after about 15 minutes of inactivity on the terminal - everything freezes up and i need to reboot the terminal to connect back to the LTSP server. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon May 10 16:57:25 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:57:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients that Work... In-Reply-To: <000001c43437$87d5d500$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <00bb01c436af$debfb960$1803010a@paasda.org> {SNIP} >In reading the description it looks like the Capio One for $199 only boots Citrix systems, you need to upgrade to the Capio One Multi Session for Linux >which takes the price to $299. But then again maybe I am missing something as usual :-) Nah...it boots just fine to LTSP the $199 Capio One... Tested tried and true... =) --Huck From james at mineralschool.net Mon May 10 17:33:36 2004 From: james at mineralschool.net (James Mayfield) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:33:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Email and squid/dansguardian In-Reply-To: <20040510164858.88607.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040510164858.88607.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200405101033.36421.james@mineralschool.net> Hello, I just setup dansguardian and squid. All is good, web is filtered and nice, but email cannot be checked/sent (pop3/smtp). How can I let email pass through? The people having the problems are using Outlook. Thanks, James Mayfield From mross at esd165.org Mon May 10 17:33:45 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matt Ross) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:33:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Pentium 166 mHz Machines as Clients? In-Reply-To: <409C2441.30003@cmosnetworks.com> References: <232810-2200455717926665@M2W079.mail2web.com> <409C2441.30003@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <409FBCF9.4080203@esd165.org> I'll have to remember that trick... Sm:)e. --Matt Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > There was a comment about the hard disks being useless. If you have > the thin clients booting from floppies, then that's true. > HOWEVER...floppies have a way of disappearing, so I've cat'ed the > Rom-O-Matic floppy image onto the hard disk, just like you would to a > floppy. Works great! Of course, you can't boot the Windows 98 that > was on those computers anymore, but like I care. :-D > > --TP From tbrown at michiana.org Mon May 10 16:25:06 2004 From: tbrown at michiana.org (Tom Brown) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:25:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <1084197026.25554.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1084195579.21899.14.camel@gentoo.is.uindy.edu> <20040510034848.1B3D973316@hormel.redhat.com> <1084166514.28676.30.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> <1084195579.21899.14.camel@gentoo.is.uindy.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040510111115.02a1add0@michiana.org> At 08:50 AM 5/10/04 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 08:26, Shawn Austin wrote: > > > If you do a benchmark on a 1.8GHz machine, and the quad 450, you will > > find that the quad 450 does not even rank in the same ball park. You > > also must consider that the ram that is in such a old machine will not > > be anywhere as quick as a modern machine would have. > > > >They probably would make very good file servers to hold home >or shared directories if the existing drives are big enough. >File service is not as CPU intensive as application service >and you could take advantage of the RAID and hot-swap >backplane. I want to amplify Mike's advice. Free Geek Michiana received two donated multi-cpu Compaq servers. They are fine for file, print, web service but terrible for boot and application service. Additional memory is very expensive as the specs are high and chip volumes are low. So we never upgraded the RAM which limits the boxes' usefulness. The servers are also very loud -- we nicknamed them the Turbines. Great for heating small rooms. They are bullet proof, figuratively. K12LTSP loaded on the servers without a problem. Debian stable had difficulties which were resolved be upgrading to Debian testing. Tom From jim at rossberry.com Mon May 10 18:13:12 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Email and squid/dansguardian In-Reply-To: <200405101033.36421.james@mineralschool.net> References: <20040510164858.88607.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> <200405101033.36421.james@mineralschool.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 May 2004, James Mayfield wrote: > I just setup dansguardian and squid. All is good, web is filtered and nice, > but email cannot be checked/sent (pop3/smtp). How can I let email pass > through? The people having the problems are using Outlook. Highly unlikely that dg/squid is doing it then. Do you have iptables scripts in place to block or redirect pop3/smtp? How about tcpwrappers (/etc/hosts.[allow,deny])? Are the smtp and pop servers configured and started? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From james at mineralschool.net Mon May 10 18:27:36 2004 From: james at mineralschool.net (James Mayfield) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:27:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Email and squid/dansguardian In-Reply-To: References: <20040510164858.88607.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> <200405101033.36421.james@mineralschool.net> Message-ID: <200405101127.36715.james@mineralschool.net> These are people trying to check external accounts.. and everythign worked just fine until dansguardian was installed/started. The mail clients time out, as they cant get out. Nothing has changed except the dansguardian install. On Monday 10 May 2004 11:13 am, Jim Wildman wrote: > On Mon, 10 May 2004, James Mayfield wrote: > > I just setup dansguardian and squid. All is good, web is filtered and > > nice, but email cannot be checked/sent (pop3/smtp). How can I let email > > pass through? The people having the problems are using Outlook. > > Highly unlikely that dg/squid is doing it then. Do you have iptables > scripts in place to block or redirect pop3/smtp? How about tcpwrappers > (/etc/hosts.[allow,deny])? Are the smtp and pop servers configured and > started? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com > http://www.rossberry.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mjenkins at breweredu.org Mon May 10 18:59:37 2004 From: mjenkins at breweredu.org (Mark Jenkins) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:59:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Email and squid/dansguardian In-Reply-To: <200405101033.36421.james@mineralschool.net> References: <20040510164858.88607.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> <200405101033.36421.james@mineralschool.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I'm looking at installing MailScanner with spamassassin and some antivirus software and I have some questions about my understanding of who does what. All our teacher and administrator mailboxes are on this one system. 1. For incoming mail from the outside (and maybe inside), does postfix write directly to inboxes in /var/spool/mail or is procmail somehow involved? 2. For mail sent internally from teacher to teacher, does the imap software via sendmail.postfix invoke postfix to write to the inbox in /var/spool/mail (perhaps through procmail - question 1) or does the imap software handle it directly since it is staying on the same server? Thanks for your help, Mark Orenstein East Granby School System From aaa at pacifier.com Mon May 10 20:47:00 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:47:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't change IP address for eth1?!?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <409FEA44.5050105@pacifier.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >On Fri, 7 May 2004, Duane Wilson wrote: > > >> troubleshooting intermitent problem with eth1. I changed ip address to >>192.168.2.1 and connected my laptop directly to it with a crossover cable. >> Done troubleshooting and now am trying to change back to the internet >>ip address I started with. Changed the setting in >>/etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth1. Rebooted. >> >>ifconfig still shows 192.168.2.1. >> >>Did a cold reboot - no change! >> >>What am I missing here? >> >> >> >Duane, > you are missing /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 >julius > > Thanks Julius, Jim showed me that I was modifying the wrong file. Now all is well. I don't understand why there are two files with the same name in directorys so easily confused. Duane > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Mon May 10 22:14:09 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:14:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] FrontPage Like app ? Message-ID: <017101c436dc$1df33680$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All... Just a quickie.. Dose anyone know of a Micro$oft FrontPage like app, I can use on LTSP ? I have a teacher how would like to do a very simple Intro into WebPages and wants to use her old recourses from when she dose this lesson on M$ FrontPage.. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Mon May 10 22:25:12 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:25:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] suspicious message In-Reply-To: <409F4F82.6050900@snet.net> References: <200405090100.i4910ir01564@downeast.net> <409EB886.7020705@cmosnetworks.com> <409F4F82.6050900@snet.net> Message-ID: <40A00148.9070201@snet.net> I received the following. It looks suspicious to me. I do not know the sender. It says the page is in .html, but isn't .jsp a java file extension? I have reluctant to click the link...What do you think? From: "Ralph" Reply-To: "Ralph" To: Subject: Online Linux manual page Date: Mon 05/10/04 10:04 PM Attachments Name Type Save View Part 1 text/plain Save Part 2 text/html Save Hello, Here is a very useful linux manual page in html. http://linux.com.hk/PenguinWeb/manpages.jsp -- With best regards, Ralph Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon May 10 23:30:57 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:30:57 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] suspicious message Message-ID: anthony baldwin wrote: >> I received the following. It looks suspicious to me. I do not know the sender. It says the page is in .html, but isn't .jsp a java file extension? << A JSP is a Java Server Page - a page that contains Java scriptlets. It's the Java equivalent of Microsoft ASP pages - interpreted at run-time by the web server, not your browser. No risk in that page - it's pretty much the same thing as running man2html on your own system. A similar useful page is http://www.onlamp.com/linux/cmd/ Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From orv at orvsplace.net Mon May 10 23:20:30 2004 From: orv at orvsplace.net (Orv Beach) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:20:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FrontPage Like app ? In-Reply-To: <017101c436dc$1df33680$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <017101c436dc$1df33680$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1084231230.27238.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Having never used FrontPage, I'm not exactly sure what features it has. However, a search for "HTML editor" on freshmeat.net listed 112 different applications. I'm only familiar with quanta, which is a QT-based application (ie, runs on top of KDE). (And I'm pretty much a novice with quanta; I use kedit for most of my html editing. I pretty much suck as a webmaster...) HTH Orv On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 15:14, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi All... > > Just a quickie.. > Dose anyone know of a Micro$oft FrontPage like app, I can use on LTSP > ? > I have a teacher how would like to do a very simple Intro into > WebPages > and wants to use her old recourses from when she dose this lesson on > M$ FrontPage.. > > > Best Regards > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Orv Beach From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon May 10 23:38:39 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:38:39 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] FrontPage Like app ? Message-ID: When last I looked, there were plenty of HTML editors for Linux, but none of them were WYSIWYG; goes with the nature of Linux, I guess - control freaks like to see and edit the HTML. Given the pathologically bad nature of the HTML generated by FrontPage, et al, I can't blame them. Our school (K-6) recently ran a Staff Development Day and had staff use a scanner, a digital camera and create a basic web page. I created a page of links to the staff web pages. You know the kind of thing: Staff Pages

Staff Pages

Someone else then edited it in Front Page to fill in the names that I didn't know. The result was over 7KB in size, and when I edited it back to the basics and added a linked-in stylesheet to make it fit the school intranet style, it was down to 790 bytes. Bleccchh. Nothing beats hand-knitted HTML. In the Linux world, I'd say the best way of letting the HTML-untutored created web pages is to do it in OpenOffice.org and save as an HTML document. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From samps at redjocks.com Mon May 10 23:33:45 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:03:45 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] FrontPage Like app ? In-Reply-To: <017101c436dc$1df33680$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <017101c436dc$1df33680$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <40A01159.20005@redjocks.com> Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi All... > > Just a quickie.. > Dose anyone know of a Micro$oft FrontPage like app, I can use on LTSP ? > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon Have a look at Nvu. It has a look and feel that doesn't scare the Frontpage users, and that's a good start. It also has a built-in site manager for easy publishing of webpages. Get it from http://www.nvu.com/ cheers Samps Tech @ Grant High School, South Australia From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon May 10 23:51:50 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:51:50 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] FrontPage Like app ? Message-ID: Samps wrote: >> Have a look at Nvu. << LOL! Having just said that there's not much available, I completely forgot Nvu, which I'd actually written up as a Download of the Month for PC User magazine. My writeup is online here: http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/51892f791e98bdd6ca256e34007f5c33?OpenDocument Good catch, Samps. ;) Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From mross at esd165.org Tue May 11 00:01:42 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matt Ross) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:01:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Apt-Get install Message-ID: <40A017E6.4010306@esd165.org> Alright, some quick questions: I'm re-installing my K12LTSP test server. After the install, I ran: apt-get update apt-get upgrade I got an error with tuxpaint-stamps, but I'll fix that latter. I ran the script which ltsp recommended I ran (I don't remember the actual script or it's location). I noticed that the apt-get upgrade got a new sources.list file. Hrm... So, I rebooted. It booted fine, can still connect without problems. But, I wanted to get that tuxpaint-stamps fixed... and install the various Java and Flash plugins... So, I typed: apt-get update and after a long wait, I get back a "choose location of depositories" script (or something similar). I don't see anything about k12ltsp on this... so I wonder if I'm going to cause problems installing any updates from this. Also, it complains that I have a duplicate Tuxpaint-stamps... Now that doesn't sound right. Would somebody let me know where I went off the beaten path? Is there documentation on how to update k12ltsp, and I just have seemed to missed it? --Matt From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Tue May 11 00:15:44 2004 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:15:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN FrontPage like app? In-Reply-To: <20040511000704.BAB4F730A8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040511000704.BAB4F730A8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1084234544.9712.7.camel@homepc.localdomain> > Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:14:09 +0100 > From: "Gavin Spurgeon" > Subject: [K12OSN] FrontPage Like app ? > Hi All... > > Just a quickie.. > Dose anyone know of a Micro$oft FrontPage like app, I can use on LTSP ? > I have a teacher how would like to do a very simple Intro into WebPages > and wants to use her old recourses from when she dose this lesson on > M$ FrontPage.. You already have two installed on your K12LTSP server, 1) Mozilla composer and OpenOffice.org html editor. After using composer for a couple of years I'm starting to play with OO and I'm liking it too. Both allow direct editing of html code as well as wysiwyg. ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale High...........9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 voice(503)892-0722...fax(503)892-0723.. http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue May 11 00:10:18 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:10:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FrontPage Like app ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40A019EA.5010205@snet.net> Les Bell wrote: > When last I looked, there were plenty of HTML editors for Linux, but none > of them were WYSIWYG; goes with the nature of Linux, I guess - control > freaks like to see and edit the HTML. Given the pathologically bad nature > of the HTML generated by FrontPage, et al, I can't blame them. > > Our school (K-6) recently ran a Staff Development Day and had staff use a > scanner, a digital camera and create a basic web page. I created a page of > links to the staff web pages. You know the kind of thing: > SNIPPED > > > Someone else then edited it in Front Page to fill in the names that I > didn't know. The result was over 7KB in size, and when I edited it back to > the basics and added a linked-in stylesheet to make it fit the school > intranet style, it was down to 790 bytes. Bleccchh. Nothing beats > hand-knitted HTML. > > In the Linux world, I'd say the best way of letting the HTML-untutored > created web pages is to do it in OpenOffice.org and save as an HTML Heck, I write html and still sometimes use OpenOffice.org or Netscape Composer for the basic layout of pages. Although I frequently end up editing the code they generate. tony > document. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue May 11 00:50:01 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:50:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN FrontPage like app? In-Reply-To: <1084234544.9712.7.camel@homepc.localdomain> References: <20040511000704.BAB4F730A8@hormel.redhat.com> <1084234544.9712.7.camel@homepc.localdomain> Message-ID: <40A02338.4060800@snet.net> Paul Nelson wrote: >>Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:14:09 +0100 >>From: "Gavin Spurgeon" >>Subject: [K12OSN] FrontPage Like app ? > > >>Hi All... >> >>Just a quickie.. >>Dose anyone know of a Micro$oft FrontPage like app, I can use on LTSP ? >>I have a teacher how would like to do a very simple Intro into WebPages >>and wants to use her old recourses from when she dose this lesson on >>M$ FrontPage.. > > > You already have two installed on your K12LTSP server, 1) Mozilla > composer and OpenOffice.org html editor. > > After using composer for a couple of years I'm starting to play with OO > and I'm liking it too. Both allow direct editing of html code as well as > wysiwyg. That's what I love about them, especially Composer. They are simple to use. I can write the code in one tab and then view the result in another. Even for an html codewriter like me, this simplifies the process. > > ;-) Paul > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue May 11 01:46:48 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:46:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <1084157519.1233.10.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> <1084097436.1537.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409EA765.9050006@cmosnetworks.com> <1084157519.1233.10.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <40A03088.4070506@cmosnetworks.com> Here's how. for i in 7 8 9; do mknod /dev/tty$i c 4 $i; done --TP Bert Rolston wrote: >Hi Terrell, > >OK, I tried the inittab changes, and learned the frustration of VIM >while making these changes. > >I still get the same error message, but instead of respawning ID 4-6 >errors this has been reduced to 4 & 5 only. > >Methinks I need to recreate the nodes. > >Cheers, >Bert > > >On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 09:49, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > >>Had another idea after that original post. Check out your /etc/inittab >>file, and look for the line with tty6 in it. It should look like this: >> >> 6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 >> >>Comment that line out. Then, do one of two things: >> >>A.) reboot, or >>B.) change to runlevel 1, then back to runlevel 5 >> >>and let us know how things go. A device node should indeed be made for >>/dev/tty7-9, but we can do the above as a troubleshooting step. >> >>--TP >> >> >> From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue May 11 01:55:55 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:55:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <20040510190139.B4D8873C82@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040510190139.B4D8873C82@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1084240555.8529.352.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Thanks for the input everyone - We'll probably just pass on accepting the donation or maybe take one and use it for a file server but then again they are big and noisy. John On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 15:01, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:25:06 -0500 > From: Tom Brown > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040510111115.02a1add0 at michiana.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 08:50 AM 5/10/04 -0500, you wrote: > >On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 08:26, Shawn Austin wrote: > > > > > If you do a benchmark on a 1.8GHz machine, and the quad 450, you will > > > find that the quad 450 does not even rank in the same ball park. You > > > also must consider that the ram that is in such a old machine will not > > > be anywhere as quick as a modern machine would have. > > > > > > >They probably would make very good file servers to hold home > >or shared directories if the existing drives are big enough. > >File service is not as CPU intensive as application service > >and you could take advantage of the RAID and hot-swap > >backplane. > > I want to amplify Mike's advice. > > Free Geek Michiana received two donated multi-cpu Compaq servers. They are > fine for file, print, web service but terrible for boot and application > service. Additional memory is very expensive as the specs are high and chip > volumes are low. So we never upgraded the RAM which limits the boxes' > usefulness. The servers are also very loud -- we nicknamed them the > Turbines. Great for heating small rooms. They are bullet proof, > figuratively. K12LTSP loaded on the servers without a problem. Debian > stable had difficulties which were resolved be upgrading to Debian testing. > > Tom From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue May 11 02:29:56 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:29:56 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 (a solution) In-Reply-To: <409EA765.9050006@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> <1084097436.1537.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409EA765.9050006@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1084242220.1693.18.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Terrell, Thanks for your help. The info you provided was enough to jog my memory. ===================================== The problem Some areas of the drive got messed up, causing problems with the inodes. fsck fixed the inode problem which appears to have effected tty(4-9) ===================================== The solution I e-mailed the K12LTSP list. Here's what I ended up doing. I read the online help from my own machine. I looked at mknod & tty mknod is the command for creating new nodes. tty gave me the information to create the correct type of node. I did another ls -l tty? in the /dev directory and noticed that the major minor was set at 4 ? (where ?=0-9). >From there I deleted tty above 3. Then recreated tty 4-9 suing mknod eg. mknod -m=---rw-rw-rw- tty4 c 4 4 For some reason the -m didn't create the correct mode. To fix this I used chmod eg. chmod tty? 0666 The ownership wasn't right either so chown root:tty tty? et voila! It's all back up and running. Thanks again for the patience and memory jogger. Bert On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 09:49, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Had another idea after that original post. Check out your /etc/inittab > file, and look for the line with tty6 in it. It should look like this: > > 6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 > > Comment that line out. Then, do one of two things: > > A.) reboot, or > B.) change to runlevel 1, then back to runlevel 5 > > and let us know how things go. A device node should indeed be made for > /dev/tty7-9, but we can do the above as a troubleshooting step. > > --TP > > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >Hi Terrell, > > > >I'm posting inline. It's a bit messy but there are several points > >raised. > > > >Notice that I have a "tty7" entry, and also notice the permissions on > > > > > >>it. My Mandrake 9.2 box also goes up to tty9, BTW. Since your listing > >>stopped at tty6, we have one of two options that I can think of to try out. > >> > >> > > > > > >I tried the following. > > > >Move ttyx(9,8,7) to tty(4,5,6) to coincide with the missing ones. No > >luck. > > > >Not sure if this was advisable but it didn't seem to break anything > >else. > > > > > > > > > > > >>1.) Make a new device node for tty7. That's kinda ugly, and I'll have > >>to go remind myself how to do it (it's been a while). > >> > >> > > > >I've done this in the past, but only once. I can't remember how, or > >where I found the info last time. > > > > > > > >>2.) Try changing permissions on one of the other tty's to match what my > >>tty7 has on it. Given that the UID and GID are both root, it shouldn't > >>make a difference, but it's worth a shot. I'd try it with tty's 4 and 6 > >>first, since that's what your XFree86.0.log file shows that X11 is > >>trying before it dies. > >> > >> > > > >Tried this, they get changed back to the settings shown by ls. > > > > > > > > > >>If 2.) doesn't do the trick, then let us know, and I'll go dust off how > >>to make device nodes. :-) > >> > >> > > > >You've given me a clue here. "device nodes". I couldn't even remember that. > > > >Cheers, > >Bert > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue May 11 02:32:12 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:32:12 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <40A03088.4070506@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> <1084097436.1537.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409EA765.9050006@cmosnetworks.com> <1084157519.1233.10.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40A03088.4070506@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1084242731.1693.21.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Terrell, Our messages crossed. As you will see I found a couple of other niggles. Thanks again, Bert On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 13:46, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Here's how. > > for i in 7 8 9; do mknod /dev/tty$i c 4 $i; done > > --TP > > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >Hi Terrell, > > > >OK, I tried the inittab changes, and learned the frustration of VIM > >while making these changes. > > > >I still get the same error message, but instead of respawning ID 4-6 > >errors this has been reduced to 4 & 5 only. > > > >Methinks I need to recreate the nodes. > > > >Cheers, > >Bert > > > > > >On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 09:49, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > > > > >>Had another idea after that original post. Check out your /etc/inittab > >>file, and look for the line with tty6 in it. It should look like this: > >> > >> 6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 > >> > >>Comment that line out. Then, do one of two things: > >> > >>A.) reboot, or > >>B.) change to runlevel 1, then back to runlevel 5 > >> > >>and let us know how things go. A device node should indeed be made for > >>/dev/tty7-9, but we can do the above as a troubleshooting step. > >> > >>--TP > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue May 11 02:33:56 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:33:56 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <1084240555.8529.352.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> References: <20040510190139.B4D8873C82@hormel.redhat.com> <1084240555.8529.352.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Message-ID: <1084242835.1693.24.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi John, How much to ship them to NZ? :-) Just joking. I can get similar specced equipment here at about the same $NZ rate. Cheers, Bert On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 13:55, John Baillie wrote: > Thanks for the input everyone - > > We'll probably just pass on accepting the donation or maybe take one and > use it for a file server but then again they are big and noisy. > > John > > On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 15:01, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:25:06 -0500 > > From: Tom Brown > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040510111115.02a1add0 at michiana.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > At 08:50 AM 5/10/04 -0500, you wrote: > > >On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 08:26, Shawn Austin wrote: > > > > > > > If you do a benchmark on a 1.8GHz machine, and the quad 450, you will > > > > find that the quad 450 does not even rank in the same ball park. You > > > > also must consider that the ram that is in such a old machine will not > > > > be anywhere as quick as a modern machine would have. > > > > > > > > > >They probably would make very good file servers to hold home > > >or shared directories if the existing drives are big enough. > > >File service is not as CPU intensive as application service > > >and you could take advantage of the RAID and hot-swap > > >backplane. > > > > I want to amplify Mike's advice. > > > > Free Geek Michiana received two donated multi-cpu Compaq servers. They are > > fine for file, print, web service but terrible for boot and application > > service. Additional memory is very expensive as the specs are high and chip > > volumes are low. So we never upgraded the RAM which limits the boxes' > > usefulness. The servers are also very loud -- we nicknamed them the > > Turbines. Great for heating small rooms. They are bullet proof, > > figuratively. K12LTSP loaded on the servers without a problem. Debian > > stable had difficulties which were resolved be upgrading to Debian testing. > > > > Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From jneiffer at neiffer.com Tue May 11 03:04:35 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:04:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <1084242835.1693.24.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <200405110304.i4B34vAX030836@mx3.redhat.com> Well, for that matter...how much to ship to Montana? He, he... Jason -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bert Rolston Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:34 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? Hi John, How much to ship them to NZ? :-) Just joking. I can get similar specced equipment here at about the same $NZ rate. Cheers, Bert On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 13:55, John Baillie wrote: > Thanks for the input everyone - > > We'll probably just pass on accepting the donation or maybe take one and > use it for a file server but then again they are big and noisy. > > John > > On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 15:01, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:25:06 -0500 > > From: Tom Brown > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040510111115.02a1add0 at michiana.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > At 08:50 AM 5/10/04 -0500, you wrote: > > >On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 08:26, Shawn Austin wrote: > > > > > > > If you do a benchmark on a 1.8GHz machine, and the quad 450, you will > > > > find that the quad 450 does not even rank in the same ball park. You > > > > also must consider that the ram that is in such a old machine will not > > > > be anywhere as quick as a modern machine would have. > > > > > > > > > >They probably would make very good file servers to hold home > > >or shared directories if the existing drives are big enough. > > >File service is not as CPU intensive as application service > > >and you could take advantage of the RAID and hot-swap > > >backplane. > > > > I want to amplify Mike's advice. > > > > Free Geek Michiana received two donated multi-cpu Compaq servers. They are > > fine for file, print, web service but terrible for boot and application > > service. Additional memory is very expensive as the specs are high and chip > > volumes are low. So we never upgraded the RAM which limits the boxes' > > usefulness. The servers are also very loud -- we nicknamed them the > > Turbines. Great for heating small rooms. They are bullet proof, > > figuratively. K12LTSP loaded on the servers without a problem. Debian > > stable had difficulties which were resolved be upgrading to Debian testing. > > > > Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at telus.net Tue May 11 03:43:40 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:43:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adaptec AIC 79xx SCSI controller driver? In-Reply-To: <1084162633.23401.42.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <200405092051.56662.robark@telus.net> <1084162633.23401.42.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200405102043.40578.robark@telus.net> I don't want to use 4.01 because I'm using dual Xeons and I have read it's not stable with an SMP kernel (yet). Hoping 4.1 (FC2) with kernel 2.6 will be stable with SMP. I know Jim M. is intending on releasing it this month. I'm intending on installing 3.1.2 in expert (dd) mode and install the scsi controller driver via (DUD) Driver Update Disk found here http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/DUD/aic79xx/ during installation. Just not sure which version of driver I should use. 1.3.11 or 2.0.10 **BTW I have never used a Driver Update Disk during installation before. Hoping it's easy** Anyone with experience? Robert Arkiletian On Sunday 09 May 2004 9:17 pm, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2004-05-09 at 22:51, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > **Didn't get any bites couple days ago so I'm reposting** > > > > I'm installing K12LTSP 3.1.2 (Redhat 9.0) and I was wondering which > > driver I should use for the Adaptec AIC 7902 SCSI controller? > > I'd recommend moving to the fedora-based version because it > will work out of the box. Penguin's relion 140's use this > controller and come with RH9 pre-installed with a modified > aic79xx.o, but you can't boot a stock install CD without > a driver disk and if you let apt or yum update your kernel > it likely won't boot. I can probably dig up a copy of > the driver but I'm not sure it will work on other machines > and I haven't used it to install from scratch. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue May 11 09:11:20 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:11:20 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <40A03088.4070506@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> <1084097436.1537.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409EA765.9050006@cmosnetworks.com> <1084157519.1233.10.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40A03088.4070506@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1084263935.1693.32.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Terrell, Well, it's almost there, but not quite. When I tried to logout, I got the following error. (EE) Problem parsing the config file (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile () So I am assuming this relates to the inittab file. I re-enabled the commented out line. Any suggestions? Bert On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 13:46, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Here's how. > > for i in 7 8 9; do mknod /dev/tty$i c 4 $i; done > > --TP > > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >Hi Terrell, > > > >OK, I tried the inittab changes, and learned the frustration of VIM > >while making these changes. > > > >I still get the same error message, but instead of respawning ID 4-6 > >errors this has been reduced to 4 & 5 only. > > > >Methinks I need to recreate the nodes. > > > >Cheers, > >Bert > > > > > >On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 09:49, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > > > > >>Had another idea after that original post. Check out your /etc/inittab > >>file, and look for the line with tty6 in it. It should look like this: > >> > >> 6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 > >> > >>Comment that line out. Then, do one of two things: > >> > >>A.) reboot, or > >>B.) change to runlevel 1, then back to runlevel 5 > >> > >>and let us know how things go. A device node should indeed be made for > >>/dev/tty7-9, but we can do the above as a troubleshooting step. > >> > >>--TP > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue May 11 11:32:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:32:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <1084263935.1693.32.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> <1084097436.1537.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409EA765.9050006@cmosnetworks.com> <1084157519.1233.10.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40A03088.4070506@cmosnetworks.com> <1084263935.1693.32.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <40A0B9B1.1010601@cmosnetworks.com> Is X11 starting, and are you getting your desktop at this point? --TP Bert Rolston wrote: >Hi Terrell, > >Well, it's almost there, but not quite. > >When I tried to logout, I got the following error. > >(EE) Problem parsing the config file >(EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile () > >So I am assuming this relates to the inittab file. > >I re-enabled the commented out line. > >Any suggestions? > >Bert > >On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 13:46, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > >>Here's how. >> >>for i in 7 8 9; do mknod /dev/tty$i c 4 $i; done >> >>--TP >> >>Bert Rolston wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Terrell, >>> >>>OK, I tried the inittab changes, and learned the frustration of VIM >>>while making these changes. >>> >>>I still get the same error message, but instead of respawning ID 4-6 >>>errors this has been reduced to 4 & 5 only. >>> >>>Methinks I need to recreate the nodes. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Bert >>> >>> >>>On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 09:49, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Had another idea after that original post. Check out your /etc/inittab >>>>file, and look for the line with tty6 in it. It should look like this: >>>> >>>> 6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 >>>> >>>>Comment that line out. Then, do one of two things: >>>> >>>>A.) reboot, or >>>>B.) change to runlevel 1, then back to runlevel 5 >>>> >>>>and let us know how things go. A device node should indeed be made for >>>>/dev/tty7-9, but we can do the above as a troubleshooting step. >>>> >>>>--TP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> From jfaletra at sau16.org Tue May 11 12:19:41 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 08:19:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] MPlayer install issues Message-ID: I am having a dickens of a time installing MPlayer on a k12ltsp box. Well, it installs on the server and runs just fine, but I can't get the clients to run it. I tried a shortcut to the ap and no dice, also if I double clisk on an mpg file an association window pops up and I associate it to MPlayer but it doesn't work HELP!!! Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Tue May 11 07:21:12 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:21:12 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Frontpage Like app ? Message-ID: <1084260071.6267.13.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> If your looking for free there are a number of Linux based solutions available. If you want something slightly more advanced Dreamweaver runs well under wine/Crossover Office. Other wise some of the native Linux ones are Quanta, Bluefish, Amaya, Nvu, and IBM's WebSphere Homepage Builder. I have only tried Quanta, Bluefish, and Dreamweaver and currently only use Dreamweaver. Nvu I believe was still in beta last I looked. Good luck! :) -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District (715) 327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From julius at turtle.com Tue May 11 15:02:19 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Apt-Get install In-Reply-To: <40A017E6.4010306@esd165.org> References: <40A017E6.4010306@esd165.org> Message-ID: <3079.69.82.5.68.1084287739.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > Alright, some quick questions: > > I'm re-installing my K12LTSP test server. After the install, I ran: > > apt-get update > apt-get upgrade > > I got an error with tuxpaint-stamps, but I'll fix that latter. > > I ran the script which ltsp recommended I ran (I don't remember the > actual script or it's location). I noticed that the apt-get upgrade got > a new sources.list file. Hrm... So, I rebooted. It booted fine, can > still connect without problems. But, I wanted to get that > tuxpaint-stamps fixed... and install the various Java and Flash > plugins... So, I typed: > > apt-get update > > and after a long wait, I get back a "choose location of depositories" > script (or something similar). I don't see anything about k12ltsp on > this... so I wonder if I'm going to cause problems installing any > updates from this. Also, it complains that I have a duplicate > Tuxpaint-stamps... Now that doesn't sound right. > > Would somebody let me know where I went off the beaten path? Is there > documentation on how to update k12ltsp, and I just have seemed to missed > it? > Matt, remove rpm -e tuxpaint-whatever, rerun update, distupgrade. select the servers offered, all will be forgiven ;-) julius From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 11 15:22:28 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:22:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <200405110304.i4B34vAX030836@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002101c4376b$c8260620$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I have a quad 450 Zeon machine with 1GB of RAM and a quad 550 Zeon with 2GB of RAM and am very happy with them. The first is a Web/Email Server for 800 users, the second running WBEL as Web/File Server with about 200 users. The SCSI backplane is extremely handy for RAID setups and hot swap to keep the server running. If these things are free I wouldn't send them down the road if I were you. Go to eBay and search for cheap SCSI's and load them up to be rock solid file servers. File serving isn't very CPU intensive and the RAID will work awesome. Otherwise I would love to have the 3 server shipped here, I'll put them to use immediately, and there isn't a laugh after that. Were are you located? > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jason Neiffer > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:05 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? > > > Well, for that matter...how much to ship to Montana? He, he... > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bert Rolston > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:34 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? > > Hi John, > > How much to ship them to NZ? :-) > > Just joking. > > I can get similar specced equipment here at about the same $NZ rate. > > Cheers, > Bert > > On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 13:55, John Baillie wrote: > > Thanks for the input everyone - > > > > We'll probably just pass on accepting the donation or maybe > take one > > and use it for a file server but then again they are big and noisy. > > > > John > > > > On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 15:01, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Message: 6 > > > Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:25:06 -0500 > > > From: Tom Brown > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? > > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040510111115.02a1add0 at michiana.org> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > > At 08:50 AM 5/10/04 -0500, you wrote: > > > >On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 08:26, Shawn Austin wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you do a benchmark on a 1.8GHz machine, and the > quad 450, you > will > > > > > find that the quad 450 does not even rank in the same > ball park. > You > > > > > also must consider that the ram that is in such a old machine > > > > > will > not > > > > > be anywhere as quick as a modern machine would have. > > > > > > > > > > > > >They probably would make very good file servers to hold home or > > > >shared directories if the existing drives are big enough. File > > > >service is not as CPU intensive as application service and you > > > >could take advantage of the RAID and hot-swap backplane. > > > > > > I want to amplify Mike's advice. > > > > > > Free Geek Michiana received two donated multi-cpu Compaq servers. > > > They > are > > > fine for file, print, web service but terrible for boot and > > > application > > > service. Additional memory is very expensive as the specs > are high and > chip > > > volumes are low. So we never upgraded the RAM which limits the > > > boxes' > > > usefulness. The servers are also very loud -- we > nicknamed them the > > > Turbines. Great for heating small rooms. They are bullet proof, > > > figuratively. K12LTSP loaded on the servers without a > problem. Debian > > > stable had difficulties which were resolved be upgrading to Debian > testing. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > ================================== > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > ================================== > Specialising in system support > alternative solutions and > Linux operating system > ================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 From jneiffer at neiffer.com Tue May 11 15:56:59 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:56:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <002101c4376b$c8260620$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200405111557.i4BFvIAX023632@mx3.redhat.com> Actually, I wasn't really joking either. :) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:22 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? I have a quad 450 Zeon machine with 1GB of RAM and a quad 550 Zeon with 2GB of RAM and am very happy with them. The first is a Web/Email Server for 800 users, the second running WBEL as Web/File Server with about 200 users. The SCSI backplane is extremely handy for RAID setups and hot swap to keep the server running. If these things are free I wouldn't send them down the road if I were you. Go to eBay and search for cheap SCSI's and load them up to be rock solid file servers. File serving isn't very CPU intensive and the RAID will work awesome. Otherwise I would love to have the 3 server shipped here, I'll put them to use immediately, and there isn't a laugh after that. Were are you located? > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jason Neiffer > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:05 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? > > > Well, for that matter...how much to ship to Montana? He, he... > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bert Rolston > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:34 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? > > Hi John, > > How much to ship them to NZ? :-) > > Just joking. > > I can get similar specced equipment here at about the same $NZ rate. > > Cheers, > Bert > > On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 13:55, John Baillie wrote: > > Thanks for the input everyone - > > > > We'll probably just pass on accepting the donation or maybe > take one > > and use it for a file server but then again they are big and noisy. > > > > John > > > > On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 15:01, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Message: 6 > > > Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:25:06 -0500 > > > From: Tom Brown > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quad 450's as K12 Server? > > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040510111115.02a1add0 at michiana.org> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > > At 08:50 AM 5/10/04 -0500, you wrote: > > > >On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 08:26, Shawn Austin wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you do a benchmark on a 1.8GHz machine, and the > quad 450, you > will > > > > > find that the quad 450 does not even rank in the same > ball park. > You > > > > > also must consider that the ram that is in such a old machine > > > > > will > not > > > > > be anywhere as quick as a modern machine would have. > > > > > > > > > > > > >They probably would make very good file servers to hold home or > > > >shared directories if the existing drives are big enough. File > > > >service is not as CPU intensive as application service and you > > > >could take advantage of the RAID and hot-swap backplane. > > > > > > I want to amplify Mike's advice. > > > > > > Free Geek Michiana received two donated multi-cpu Compaq servers. > > > They > are > > > fine for file, print, web service but terrible for boot and > > > application > > > service. Additional memory is very expensive as the specs > are high and > chip > > > volumes are low. So we never upgraded the RAM which limits the > > > boxes' > > > usefulness. The servers are also very loud -- we > nicknamed them the > > > Turbines. Great for heating small rooms. They are bullet proof, > > > figuratively. K12LTSP loaded on the servers without a > problem. Debian > > > stable had difficulties which were resolved be upgrading to Debian > testing. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > ================================== > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > ================================== > Specialising in system support > alternative solutions and > Linux operating system > ================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Tue May 11 11:55:56 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:55:56 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client question Message-ID: <1084276556.6262.31.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> I have a lab full of Gateway 2000 p5-133 machines with 32 MB ram, Sound Blaster 16 sound cards, 10/100 nics and old ati video cards. The memory can't be upgraded, how would these work for LTSP? Thanks, -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District (715) 327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue May 11 16:59:50 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: 11 May 2004 12:59:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <20040511152320.BA03D74723@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040511152320.BA03D74723@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1084294790.21229.82.camel@anthony> Jim, We are located in Florida. If the donor doesn't have a problem with the our school not being the recipient and you are still interested I'll let you know. But then again if Burt pays for my air fare I'll personally deliver them to his door step. Honestly Burt I'm not kidding :-) Heck I'll even plug 'em in and run a bench test to verify that they made it intact. Not sure how long the bench test will take so I'll also need some place to stay for the duration. John From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Tue May 11 17:00:30 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:00:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Oops! Webmin mistake! Help! Message-ID: <40A106AE.5000601@glenwood.k12.mo.us> I used a batch file to create users with webmin but forgot to specify a home directory... which ended up creating several users with all of them sharing /home as their home directory (instead of /home/username). Then I used the delete user batch file to get rid of these new users, thinking that I'll fix the create user batch file and re-run it. OOPs! Webmin deleted /home!!!!!! HELP! Is there any way to recover these files? Please? I'm an ID10T. Thanks for any help you can give. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From mross at esd165.org Tue May 11 16:55:58 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matt Ross) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:55:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Apt-Get install In-Reply-To: <3079.69.82.5.68.1084287739.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> References: <40A017E6.4010306@esd165.org> <3079.69.82.5.68.1084287739.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> Message-ID: <40A1059E.9000605@esd165.org> FYI, 'rpm -e' didn't work, but 'apt-get remove' did for tuxpaint-stamps. Thanks for the help. --Matt Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >Matt, > remove rpm -e tuxpaint-whatever, rerun update, distupgrade. select the >servers offered, all will be forgiven ;-) >julius > > From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Tue May 11 17:01:24 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:01:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client question In-Reply-To: <1084276556.6262.31.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> References: <1084276556.6262.31.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> Message-ID: <40A106E4.6090705@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Justin Paulsen wrote: > I have a lab full of Gateway 2000 p5-133 machines with 32 MB ram, Sound > Blaster 16 sound cards, 10/100 nics and old ati video cards. > > The memory can't be upgraded, how would these work for LTSP? > > Thanks, > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see They should be excellent! Wanna give any away? -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From jam at mcquil.com Tue May 11 17:07:58 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client question In-Reply-To: <1084276556.6262.31.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 May 2004, Justin Paulsen wrote: > I have a lab full of Gateway 2000 p5-133 machines with 32 MB ram, Sound > Blaster 16 sound cards, 10/100 nics and old ati video cards. > > The memory can't be upgraded, how would these work for LTSP? I think they'd work just fine and dandy. If they are a bit short of ram, turn on NFS-Swap. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 11 17:07:50 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:07:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <1084294790.21229.82.camel@anthony> Message-ID: <002c01c4377a$80b2dd40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> If it helps we are also a Catholic School district and one of the schools is named St. Mary's (www.wacs1.org) :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Baillie > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:00 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Quad 450's as K12 Server? > > > Jim, > > We are located in Florida. If the donor doesn't have a > problem with the our school not being the recipient and you > are still interested I'll let you know. > > But then again if Burt pays for my air fare I'll personally > deliver them to his door step. Honestly Burt I'm not kidding > :-) Heck I'll even plug 'em in and run a bench test to verify > that they made it intact. Not sure how long the bench test > will take so I'll also need some place to stay for the duration. > > John > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 From csitech at davisny.edu Tue May 11 17:15:15 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park, ADCS) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:15:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084295715.2202.2.camel@localhost> Ditto on what Jim said. They should work just fine. On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 13:07, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > On Tue, 11 May 2004, Justin Paulsen wrote: > > > I have a lab full of Gateway 2000 p5-133 machines with 32 MB ram, Sound > > Blaster 16 sound cards, 10/100 nics and old ati video cards. > > > > The memory can't be upgraded, how would these work for LTSP? > > I think they'd work just fine and dandy. > > If they are a bit short of ram, turn on NFS-Swap. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical school of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From smithco1 at hotmail.com Tue May 11 17:57:54 2004 From: smithco1 at hotmail.com (Timothy Smith) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:57:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Frontpage Like app ? References: <20040511152320.EA9D47474E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:21:12 +0000 > From: Justin Paulsen > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Frontpage Like app ? > > If your looking for free there are a number of Linux based solutions > available. If you want something slightly more advanced Dreamweaver > runs well under wine/Crossover Office. > > Other wise some of the native Linux ones are Quanta, Bluefish, Amaya, > Nvu, and IBM's WebSphere Homepage Builder. > > I have only tried Quanta, Bluefish, and Dreamweaver and currently only > use Dreamweaver. Nvu I believe was still in beta last I looked. > > Good luck! :) I was waiting for someone to mention dreamweaver. As I'm sure most of us on the list know, you can use just about any plain text editor to create web files. I'm a web developer by profession and can say that I prefer dreamweaver mx to just about anything else I've used to date. Here are three reasons why: * Fantastic color coding of html, asp, cfm, jsp, php...etc, which makes it very easy to quickly scan the source of my documents, find errors and be on my way * Websites can be setup with a document root so that find and replace functions can be used throughout sites. Nice for global changes in sites. * Pop-up boxes which help you fill in code as you write it. I love this feature because it makes it easy to remember the syntax on the fly, and is easy to work with. There are other cool features as well, but those three stand out to me when placed against the competition. I understand that the projects your teachers have in mind will probably only consist of a simple page or ten, but I have nothing but kudos for dreamweaver mx. Just so you don't need to ask... Yes, I work in code view only as I hate the excess junk _any_ wysiwyg editor will add. *Hint: That's how you keep those web files manageable and light weight* Yes, I have tried other editors. Open Office, Textpad, Frontpage, Mozilla and some others. Of the above, they either didn't have the features I mentioned, did have them but didn't work well or simply choked on some of my files as they were only meant to handle html files. Oh yeah, in in the case of Frontpage, sometimes the programs would just give me heart burn. ;) No, I don't work for macromedia. If anyone has found an editor that has my plusses above, let us know. Otherwise I'll keep on using dw thinking it's the best web editor around. And I'd hate to be wrong... There's my rant/rave. Tim -ltsp enthusiast From jfaletra at sau16.org Tue May 11 19:56:30 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:56:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio Message-ID: Does anyone know how to get the AC97 audio to work? What needs to be added to the lts.conf? It is a dell system with an Intel 845G chipset. It uses the SoundMAX (AC97) intergrated audio. Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue May 11 20:13:13 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:13:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Oops! Webmin mistake! Help! In-Reply-To: <40A106AE.5000601@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <40A106AE.5000601@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <40A133D9.4020908@cmosnetworks.com> I'm assuming that you didn't have actual data that you or others cared about under /home. If you did, the prospects are not good, and you'd better hope your backups are good (and current). Making that assumption, all you need do is recreate /home/username. I'd do it like this: [microman at localhost microman]$ su root Password: [root at localhost microman]# mkdir /home/username [root at localhost microman]# chown username:username /home/username [root at localhost microman]# cp -Rv /etc/skel/* /home/username [root at localhost microman]# chown -Rv username:username /home/username Of course, this could be automated with a little script, like so: Make a file with all your valid usernames in it, one on each line. Call it "users.txt". Then, run this little shell script: #!/bin/bash for username in `cat users.txt` do echo "Working on "$username"..." mkdir /home/$username chown $username:$username /home/$username cp -Rv /etc/skel/* /home/$username chown -Rv $username:$username /home/$username done That ought to do it. Naturally, if you have special permissions you wish to apply, you can do that as well in the script. This is why I prefer to do things at the command line. It gives you much more control than a GUI wrapper. --TP Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > I used a batch file to create users with webmin but forgot to specify > a home directory... which ended up creating several users with all of > them sharing /home as their home directory (instead of > /home/username). Then I used the delete user batch file to get rid of > these new users, thinking that I'll fix the create user batch file and > re-run it. OOPs! Webmin deleted /home!!!!!! > > HELP! Is there any way to recover these files? Please? > > I'm an ID10T. Thanks for any help you can give. > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue May 11 20:24:09 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:24:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] MPlayer install issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40A13669.4020902@cmosnetworks.com> What happens when you try running it from the command line on a client? --TP Joe Faletra wrote: >I am having a dickens of a time installing MPlayer on a k12ltsp box. >Well, it installs on the server and runs just fine, but I can't get the >clients to run it. I tried a shortcut to the ap and no dice, also if I >double clisk on an mpg file an association window pops up and I >associate it to MPlayer but it doesn't work > >HELP!!! > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 11 22:27:17 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:27:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Samba/LDAP...almost there Message-ID: I am SO close! I have set up a Samba/LDAP server using Samba 3.02 (upgraded to 3.04) and it works....for the most part. I can add users...I can authenticate....I can add machines and join machines to the domain....the only thing I can't do is log on with any users. I'm using the smbldap-tools that come with Samba (and are from idealx.org). smbclient -L localhost -U testuser gives me NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE.....I also get the message below in the samba log of the machine I'm trying to log in from. Any ideas on what to try and how to troubleshoot this? I'm soooooooo close! [2004/05/11 17:50:22, 0] rpc_server/srv_pipe.c:api_pipe_netsec_process(1397) failed to decode PDU [2004/05/11 17:50:22, 0] rpc_server/srv_pipe_hnd.c:process_request_pdu(605) process_request_pdu: failed to do schannel processing. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue May 11 22:52:23 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:52:23 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree fatal error 104 In-Reply-To: <40A0B9B1.1010601@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1083804902.1693.31.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40999217.8090606@cmosnetworks.com> <1083807719.1693.38.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409A2144.5050306@cmosnetworks.com> <1083896823.1238.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409B7922.6000004@cmosnetworks.com> <1084097436.1537.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> <409EA765.9050006@cmosnetworks.com> <1084157519.1233.10.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40A03088.4070506@cmosnetworks.com> <1084263935.1693.32.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40A0B9B1.1010601@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1084315748.1236.5.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Terrell, I did have the desktop. I was a little bit premature in posting this. The X configurator ran after that and it appears to be running correctly. I'll leave it running for a while and see if this makes a difference. Cheers, Bert On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 23:32, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Is X11 starting, and are you getting your desktop at this point? > > --TP > > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >Hi Terrell, > > > >Well, it's almost there, but not quite. > > > >When I tried to logout, I got the following error. > > > >(EE) Problem parsing the config file > >(EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile () > > > >So I am assuming this relates to the inittab file. > > > >I re-enabled the commented out line. > > > >Any suggestions? > > > >Bert > > > >On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 13:46, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > > > > > >>Here's how. > >> > >>for i in 7 8 9; do mknod /dev/tty$i c 4 $i; done > >> > >>--TP > >> > >>Bert Rolston wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi Terrell, > >>> > >>>OK, I tried the inittab changes, and learned the frustration of VIM > >>>while making these changes. > >>> > >>>I still get the same error message, but instead of respawning ID 4-6 > >>>errors this has been reduced to 4 & 5 only. > >>> > >>>Methinks I need to recreate the nodes. > >>> > >>>Cheers, > >>>Bert > >>> > >>> > >>>On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 09:49, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Had another idea after that original post. Check out your /etc/inittab > >>>>file, and look for the line with tty6 in it. It should look like this: > >>>> > >>>> 6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 > >>>> > >>>>Comment that line out. Then, do one of two things: > >>>> > >>>>A.) reboot, or > >>>>B.) change to runlevel 1, then back to runlevel 5 > >>>> > >>>>and let us know how things go. A device node should indeed be made for > >>>>/dev/tty7-9, but we can do the above as a troubleshooting step. > >>>> > >>>>--TP > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue May 11 22:52:57 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:52:57 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084315976.1236.9.camel@rolston.localdomain> Thanks for asking that question Joe. My home machine uses the same audio with the i810 chipset. I can't get sound on this machine, not sure if it's the machine, or Linux though. If anyone can shed some light I'd appreciate it also. Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 07:56, Joe Faletra wrote: > Does anyone know how to get the AC97 audio to work? What needs to be > added to the lts.conf? It is a dell system with an Intel 845G chipset. > It uses the SoundMAX (AC97) intergrated audio. > > > Joe Faletra > School Administrative Unit 16 > Districts Manager for Technology Support Services > T: 603-775-8576 > F: 603-775-8487 > http://www.sau16.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue May 11 23:02:50 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:02:50 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Quad 450's as K12 Server? In-Reply-To: <1084294790.21229.82.camel@anthony> References: <20040511152320.BA03D74723@hormel.redhat.com> <1084294790.21229.82.camel@anthony> Message-ID: <1084316374.1236.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hey John, Better still, how's about paying my airfare to come home. I was born in St. Pete Beach. We moved here when I was 12. Haven't seen my uncles, aunts and grand parents in nearly 30 years. I'd have to bring the wife and step-children too. So, I guess it would be cheaper to pay your fare to NZ! Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 04:59, John Baillie wrote: > Jim, > > We are located in Florida. If the donor doesn't have a problem with the > our school not being the recipient and you are still interested I'll let > you know. > > But then again if Burt pays for my air fare I'll personally deliver them > to his door step. Honestly Burt I'm not kidding :-) Heck I'll even plug > 'em in and run a bench test to verify that they made it intact. Not sure > how long the bench test will take so I'll also need some place to stay > for the duration. > > John > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Tue May 11 23:42:16 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:42:16 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio Message-ID: Bert Rolston wrote: >> My home machine uses the same audio with the i810 chipset. << There was a "feature" in the Intel 845GBV mobo that caused it not to work with the 2.4.20 or earlier kernels (from memory). When I struck the problem a year-and-a-half ago (or so) I googled like crazy, and finally turned up a post from Alan Cox, probably on kernel-dev, that he was aware of the problem and there would be a fix in an upcoming kernel. I didn't follow up on that - I simply moved the 845GBV into a small server setup and bought another machine - which turned out to have nForce audio and network, with all the attendant problems, but that's another story. If I was you, I'd download the latest kernel from kernel.org, build it to suit and see if that fixes the problem. Of course, YMMV. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed May 12 00:13:16 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:13:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I'm not mistaken....there used to be a specific audio driver for the i810 mobo's in ltsp....I remember using it. One thing I need to ask...is the absence of sound limited just to gnome, ice, or KDE? Have you tried the others to see? If so...then we can work from there. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed May 12 00:07:30 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:07:30 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084320449.1236.20.camel@rolston.localdomain> Thanks Les, I'm on FC1 with kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl Sounds like it would be easier to get another sound card and disable the onboard sound. Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 11:42, Les Bell wrote: > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >> > My home machine uses the same audio with the i810 chipset. > << > > There was a "feature" in the Intel 845GBV mobo that caused it not to work > with the 2.4.20 or earlier kernels (from memory). When I struck the problem > a year-and-a-half ago (or so) I googled like crazy, and finally turned up a > post from Alan Cox, probably on kernel-dev, that he was aware of the > problem and there would be a fix in an upcoming kernel. > > I didn't follow up on that - I simply moved the 845GBV into a small server > setup and bought another machine - which turned out to have nForce audio > and network, with all the attendant problems, but that's another story. > > If I was you, I'd download the latest kernel from kernel.org, build it to > suit and see if that fixes the problem. Of course, YMMV. . . > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed May 12 00:38:05 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:38:05 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio Message-ID: Bert Rolston wrote: >> I'm on FC1 with kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl << Hmm. I should have thought that one would work (although I admit to being a bit vague on the details, I'm pretty sure 2.4.21 was supposed to contain the 845GBV fix). >> Sounds like it would be easier to get another sound card and disable the onboard sound. << Is it an Intel 845GBV mobo? As you say, it's probably cheaper - in terms of your time - to just buy a new sound card. It would still be nice to get it working, though. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed May 12 00:33:14 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:33:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: I did some googlin' and found that someone got it to work by running modprobe ac97_codec from a shell as root....can anyone think of how we can integrate this into startup for the terminal or lts.conf? Or (and you'll need to try it out) does running it on the server solve it? just for kicks...run "lspci" (do include the quotes) on the command line (terminal) and let me know what it tells you....we'll be able to better determine exactly what the sound card is. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 11 22:27:17 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:27:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Samba/LDAP...almost there Message-ID: I am SO close! I have set up a Samba/LDAP server using Samba 3.02 (upgraded to 3.04) and it works....for the most part. I can add users...I can authenticate....I can add machines and join machines to the domain....the only thing I can't do is log on with any users. I'm using the smbldap-tools that come with Samba (and are from idealx.org). smbclient -L localhost -U testuser gives me NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE.....I also get the message below in the samba log of the machine I'm trying to log in from. Any ideas on what to try and how to troubleshoot this? I'm soooooooo close! [2004/05/11 17:50:22, 0] rpc_server/srv_pipe.c:api_pipe_netsec_process(1397) failed to decode PDU [2004/05/11 17:50:22, 0] rpc_server/srv_pipe_hnd.c:process_request_pdu(605) process_request_pdu: failed to do schannel processing. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Wed May 12 00:43:24 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:43:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio In-Reply-To: References: <, > Message-ID: <40A1732C.4090402@coll-outao.qc.ca> David Trask wrote: >I did some googlin' and found that someone got it to work by running > > > modprobe ac97_codec > >from a shell as root....can anyone think of how we can integrate this into >startup for the terminal or lts.conf? Or (and you'll need to try it out) >does running it on the server solve it? > >just for kicks...run > >"lspci" (do include the quotes) > >on the command line (terminal) and let me know what it tells you....we'll >be able to better determine exactly what the sound card is. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > I have a ASUS P4P800-VM with this sound card (895G chipset) and from what i got on google, it was a problem to work with. K12LTSP V3.1.1 (2.4 kernel, rh9) did'nt get this sound card to work. I simply disabled the sound card and put in a compatible one. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed May 12 01:03:40 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:03:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] quirky behaviour Message-ID: <000601c437bc$f70202e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Today power outtage ... test ltsp server isn't on UPS *doh* And afterwards I attempted to show someone how easily these thin clients work in regards to booting up and automagically attaching themselves to the server and getting the login screen and then running the applications etc etc... But...(there's always a but...)...all I got was the 'grainy' grey screen with the 'X' cursor in the middle... the mouse was able to move the cursor, although a login screen never did appear... help? =) --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed May 12 01:22:44 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:22:44 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084324802.1236.30.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hey Les, I'd have to do some hunting around to get the mobo info. The machine is an IBM Netvista small form factor, C700, ex-lease machine. Considering it replaced an ASUS PII 233 mobo mounted in an old AT case, it's a step up for me. Simply swapped the hard drive into the new machine and let kudzu do the rest. Then I upgraded from RH 8.0 to FC1 the following day. Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 12:38, Les Bell wrote: > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >> > I'm on FC1 with kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl > << > > Hmm. I should have thought that one would work (although I admit to being a > bit vague on the details, I'm pretty sure 2.4.21 was supposed to contain > the 845GBV fix). > > >> > Sounds like it would be easier to get another sound card and disable the > onboard sound. > << > > Is it an Intel 845GBV mobo? As you say, it's probably cheaper - in terms of > your time - to just buy a new sound card. It would still be nice to get it > working, though. . . > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed May 12 01:24:57 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:24:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio In-Reply-To: References: <, > Message-ID: <40A17CE9.4080104@netscape.net> Hi David, I'm also having some sound issues ... when I run the soundcard detection it identifies the card but no sound ?? The "lscpi" yields: 00:11.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 06) on my main server and 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) on the second one any suggestions ? thanks norbert dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us wrote: >I did some googlin' and found that someone got it to work by running > > > modprobe ac97_codec > >from a shell as root....can anyone think of how we can integrate this into >startup for the terminal or lts.conf? Or (and you'll need to try it out) >does running it on the server solve it? > >just for kicks...run > >"lspci" (do include the quotes) > >on the command line (terminal) and let me know what it tells you....we'll >be able to better determine exactly what the sound card is. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed May 12 01:29:09 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:29:09 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084325349.1236.34.camel@rolston.localdomain> Thanks David, Weird thing. I've tried runninglscpi & modprobe (su root) and neither of those commands works. ? Weird. Tried to find modprobe, no joy. I've got to ask myself, "WASSUP?" Oh joy. Better do some paying work. Bert On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 12:33, David Trask wrote: > I did some googlin' and found that someone got it to work by running > > > modprobe ac97_codec > > from a shell as root....can anyone think of how we can integrate this into > startup for the terminal or lts.conf? Or (and you'll need to try it out) > does running it on the server solve it? > > just for kicks...run > > "lspci" (do include the quotes) > > on the command line (terminal) and let me know what it tells you....we'll > be able to better determine exactly what the sound card is. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From nelsda at yahoo.com Wed May 12 02:04:02 2004 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040512020402.61199.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> --- Joe Faletra wrote: > Does anyone know how to get the AC97 audio to work? > What needs to be > added to the lts.conf? It is a dell system with an > Intel 845G chipset. > It uses the SoundMAX (AC97) intergrated audio. > I have an Epia 5000 which uses the AC97, at least that is what I see scroll by when I boot up my terminal. I added the following to the Default section in lts.conf # enable sound by default SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = nasd # default sound volume VOLUME = 95 I get sound in KDE and Gnome. I'm running K12LTSP 3.x.x. ===== David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 12 02:09:34 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 22:09:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NASD vs ESD Message-ID: <40A1875E.4000201@inlandlakes.org> What's the difference? Is there a link someone can point me to? Thanks, -Shawn From faengoy at yahoo.com Wed May 12 02:08:45 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] lscpi & modprobe In-Reply-To: <20040512014638.EAB367362F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040512020845.53166.qmail@web20721.mail.yahoo.com> Try it with "su -" instead of "su root" because your path should be updated that way. Dan > just for kicks...run > > "lspci" (do include the quotes) > > on the command line (terminal) and let me know what > it tells you....we'll > be able to better determine exactly what the sound > card is. ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 From faengoy at yahoo.com Wed May 12 01:24:43 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Novell To Release Ximian Connector Under GPL In-Reply-To: <20040512002456.C34DD7346D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040512012443.28558.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> This in at Slashdot ( http://apache.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/11/1645245&mode=thread&tid=117&tid=170&tid=185&tid=187&tid=190&tid=201&tid=99 ): According to this article ( http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2004051102126NWSW ) on LinuxToday.com as well as this press release ( http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2004/05/pr04034.html ) directly from their site, Novell announced that its "Connector for MS Exchange Server would be integrated into Evolution 2.0 and made available as open source, beginning today with the current Connector 1.4." Apparently, downloads will be available for the current version of Evolution starting May 14th." Thanks to reader crafterm, a snippet from Novell's Connector website: "With the Connector for Microsoft Exchange installed, Evolution functions as an Exchange client, enabling users to become full participants in company-wide group scheduling and other collaborative tasks. Linux and Solaris users can access public folders, Global Address Lists, email, calendar, task lists, and group scheduling information. ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed May 12 02:40:17 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:10:17 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Still hanging at mounting filesystem In-Reply-To: <20040512013517.1021.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040512013517.1021.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1084329616.3274.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 07:05, Dana Persells wrote: > I'm running rtl8039 on server and 1 client and a > 3com905 on the other client. Both clients are picking Earlier post: your dhcpd.conf showed: host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:4F:49:00:1A:CB; fixed-address 192.168.0.102; filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.24-ltsp-4"; # option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; #This is NOT a MAC address # option option-129 "NIC=ne IO=0x300"; } If you are using rtl8039 in ws001 then the lines option128/129 should not have been commented out!! Secondly your output log is showing: May 11 19:24:32 DanaLinux dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.102 (192.168.0.101) from 00:4f:49:00:1a:cb via eth0 What is 192.168.0.101?? Your server was 192.168.0.6 ?? On my system the cycle of DHCPDISCOVER / OFFER / REQUEST / PACK is cycled through twice as is given below. And since the DHCP server is same as LTSP server the DISCOVERY and REQQUEST is done by 192.168.0.254. AFter this the host name is picked up from /etc/hosts file and then authentication mount starts: May 3 08:25:22 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:80:48:2a:02:3f via eth0 May 3 08:25:22 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.123 to 00:80:48:2a:02:3f via eth0 May 3 08:25:22 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.123 (192.168.0.254) from 00:80:48:2a:02:3f via eth0 May 3 08:25:22 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.123 to 00:80:48:2a:02:3f via eth0 May 3 08:25:29 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:80:48:2a:02:3f via eth0 May 3 08:25:29 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.123 to 00:80:48:2a:02:3f via eth0 May 3 08:25:31 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.123 (192.168.0.254) from 00:80:48:2a:02:3f via eth0 May 3 08:25:31 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.123 to 00:80:48:2a:02:3f via eth0 May 3 08:25:31 server rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws123.ltsp:691 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) May 3 08:25:34 server rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws123.ltsp:794 for /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles (/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles) May 3 08:25:34 server rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws123.ltsp:804 for /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts (/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts)... So it seems that the DHCP is getting broken somewhere. Most likely due to option 128 / 129 not being passed on. I am trying to help and at the same time understand the whole process. De-mystifying a problem is best way to do so. Please do give a little slack if your feel I am way off here. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jimsd at ltsp.com Wed May 12 05:17:37 2004 From: jimsd at ltsp.com (Jim Doyle) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 22:17:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] WAN eth1 DHCP to static IP Message-ID: <1084339057.10578.53.camel@server.ltsp> I have been using DHCP to "Automatically obtain IP address" for my WAN eth1 with no problems. The school has given me 10.x.x.x "Statically set IP address". I would like to change to the Static IP address. I can change from DHCP to Static in the "Network Configuration" "Ethernet Device" for "eth1" by selecting "Statically set IP addresses" and entering the "Address", Subnet mask" and the "Default gateway address". And my question is: Do I have to make any other changes? I believe I would have to restart the server ... Right? You ask why change? I have to restart the network every time the district stop/starts the DHCP server. I think with a static IP I will not have to restart the network. I am a volunteer at the school and only work a couple of days a week. From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed May 12 05:54:22 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:24:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] WAN eth1 DHCP to static IP In-Reply-To: <1084339057.10578.53.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1084339057.10578.53.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1084341262.26321.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 10:47, Jim Doyle wrote: > I have been using DHCP to "Automatically obtain IP address" for my WAN > eth1 with no problems. The school has given me 10.x.x.x "Statically set > IP address". I would like to change to the Static IP address. > > I can change from DHCP to Static in the "Network Configuration" > "Ethernet Device" for "eth1" by selecting "Statically set IP addresses" > and entering the "Address", Subnet mask" and the "Default gateway > address". Use "neat" and graphically set the IP to static in tab for eth1 > And my question is: Do I have to make any other changes? > > I believe I would have to restart the server ... Right? No. All you have to do is "service network restart" But if you are using neat then you can de-activate eth1, edit and activate it again. No need to bring down server. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed May 12 08:04:03 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:04:03 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] lscpi & modprobe In-Reply-To: <20040512020845.53166.qmail@web20721.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040512020845.53166.qmail@web20721.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1084349043.1230.4.camel@rolston.localdomain> Thanks Dan, I tried CTRL+ALT+F6 and logged in as root. Both worked. Thanks, Bert On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 14:08, Dan Bo wrote: > Try it with "su -" instead of "su root" because your > path should be updated that way. > Dan > > just for kicks...run > > > > "lspci" (do include the quotes) > > > > on the command line (terminal) and let me know what > > it tells you....we'll > > be able to better determine exactly what the sound > > card is. > > > ===== > Trouble opening PDFs? 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Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 12 10:13:56 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:13:56 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Help to convince school Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A58@ILFGEXC> Hey all - this is my first post - go easy eh? ;o) I've been drafted in to my old secondary school to upgrade the entire network from a mix of windows Me/98 machines to a full batallion of Windows2000 boxes. A Win2K Advanced Server is currently the PDC for the domain. even with a 75% (i think) discount from microsoft, the licensing fees for the ~50 machines for Win2K + Office2K is just under 10000Euro. Outrageous some would say, rip-off would be said by others! So I motioned the possibility of Linux - the computer teacher's ears perked :p He's interested in it, but is basically 95% swaying towards Windows, despite the ridiculous pricing. Basically, how can I try to convince him to go with K12LTSP? I really think it'd help them - with the only problem being that he doesnt mind the students playing networked computer games, but obviously with K12 that won't be possible. He's had words with various other computer teachers (all use windows ... naturally :o)) and he's come back to me saying that he's seriously thinking of windows - help me bring him to the dark side! :D Any help would be great! Daniel ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. 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From jfaletra at sau16.org Wed May 12 10:49:28 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 06:49:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio In-Reply-To: <40A1732C.4090402@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <, > < > < > <40A1732C.4090402@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: Dave, The problem is on the terminal clients. If I run lspci I will get the server info. Joe >>I did some googlin' and found that someone got it to work by running >> >> >> modprobe ac97_codec >> >>from a shell as root....can anyone think of how we can integrate this >into >>startup for the terminal or lts.conf? Or (and you'll need to try it >out) >>does running it on the server solve it? >> >>just for kicks...run >> >>"lspci" (do include the quotes) >> >>on the command line (terminal) and let me know what it tells >you....we'll >>be able to better determine exactly what the sound card is. >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>(207)923-3100 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >>I did some googlin' and found that someone got it to work by running >> >> >> modprobe ac97_codec >> >>from a shell as root....can anyone think of how we can integrate this >into >>startup for the terminal or lts.conf? Or (and you'll need to try it >out) >>does running it on the server solve it? >> >>just for kicks...run >> >>"lspci" (do include the quotes) >> >>on the command line (terminal) and let me know what it tells >you....we'll >>be able to better determine exactly what the sound card is. >> >>David N. 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The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From cliebow at downeast.net Wed May 12 11:08:15 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:08:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Help to convince school Message-ID: <200405120957.i4C9v4S11768@downeast.net> what is it gonna cost him to maintain those fifty individual machines when he could maintain just one server???what does it cost him to clean virus out of every machine every couple weeks?what's it cost himt to upgrade those old machines to run the resource hog windows presents two years from now?? How many more machines could he have using an ltsp solution, donated from banks and insurance companies with minimal memory..grab him by the cajones with how much he could provide at minimal expense!...ask him where the support will be compared to dropping in to the #ltsp channel on freenode.netand have the problem solved on the spot by the guys that put ltsp togetherand best of luck..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed May 12 11:12:57 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 07:12:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AC97 audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40A206B9.8010108@msln.net> Joe, I was just looking for my Gigabyte board yesterday. I have the ac97 on the via vt82xxx southbridge. Everything I found said that I have to recompile the kernel to incorporate the proper support for that particular sound chip. I could install as a module, but the kernel had to support it. One instruction I found, and can not seem to get back to it today, said to run "modinfo soundcore" at the prompt. If it came back ok, then I could install as a module, if not, there was a whole bunch of files I had to compile into the kernel to make it work. I decided that was more time than I was willing to put into it. It may be the same deal with that chipset as well. Here is the link to some of the info I got, I know it is not your chipset, but might get you to the right place. http://www.viaarena.com/ Mark Joe Faletra wrote: >Does anyone know how to get the AC97 audio to work? What needs to be >added to the lts.conf? It is a dell system with an Intel 845G chipset. > It uses the SoundMAX (AC97) intergrated audio. > > >Joe Faletra >School Administrative Unit 16 >Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >T: 603-775-8576 >F: 603-775-8487 >http://www.sau16.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed May 12 11:19:43 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 07:19:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help to convince school In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A58@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A58@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40A2084F.9070809@msln.net> Dan, David Trask and others posted some of there stuff. Davids was the first I could find in archive. http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux duh,, also, http://ltsp.org/articles/index.php Mark daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >Hey all - this is my first post - go easy eh? ;o) > >I've been drafted in to my old secondary school to upgrade the entire >network from a mix of windows Me/98 machines to a full batallion of >Windows2000 boxes. A Win2K Advanced Server is currently the PDC for the >domain. > >even with a 75% (i think) discount from microsoft, the licensing fees for >the ~50 machines for Win2K + Office2K is just under 10000Euro. Outrageous >some would say, rip-off would be said by others! > >So I motioned the possibility of Linux - the computer teacher's ears perked >:p He's interested in it, but is basically 95% swaying towards Windows, >despite the ridiculous pricing. >Basically, how can I try to convince him to go with K12LTSP? I really think >it'd help them - with the only problem being that he doesnt mind the >students playing networked computer games, but obviously with K12 that won't >be possible. > >He's had words with various other computer teachers (all use windows ... >naturally :o)) and he's come back to me saying that he's seriously thinking >of windows - help me bring him to the dark side! :D > >Any help would be great! >Daniel > > >====================================================== >This email and any attached files are confidential and may >be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. >Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. >If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, >copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this >communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received >this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately >by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie >and then delete this email. >Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free >as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, >arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore >does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents >of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage >suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. >If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 12 11:09:26 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:09:26 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Help to convince school Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A5A@ILFGEXC> You've got a way with words you know that? :) I'm actually thinking of doing up a nice little spreadsheet (in OOo of course ;) ) highlighting the potential savings that he could make. It is really indefensible - I'm at a loss as to how he chose windows over linux really - the only cost of the changeover would be a new server capable of handling 50 clients (i've been reading the archives here and have a system in mind - and a quote from dell :)) and 2 new 24 port switches w/ 1xgig port - plus my modest fee ;) in total it's a MINIMUM saving of about 5K! *shrug* -----Original Message----- From: cliebow at downeast.net [mailto:cliebow at downeast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:08 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help to convince school what is it gonna cost him to maintain those fifty individual machines when he could maintain just one server???what does it cost him to clean virus out of every machine every couple weeks?what's it cost himt to upgrade those old machines to run the resource hog windows presents two years from now?? How many more machines could he have using an ltsp solution, donated from banks and insurance companies with minimal memory..grab him by the cajones with how much he could provide at minimal expense!...ask him where the support will be compared to dropping in to the #ltsp channel on freenode.netand have the problem solved on the spot by the guys that put ltsp togetherand best of luck..chuck ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From faengoy at yahoo.com Wed May 12 11:29:55 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 04:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49 In-Reply-To: <20040512104944.830767329B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040512112955.56363.qmail@web20726.mail.yahoo.com> I'm pretty sure that 8039s DON'T need the options, as I use them all the time. The 905 may or may not... Dan ------------ On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 07:05, Dana Persells wrote: > I'm running rtl8039 on server and 1 client and a > 3com905 on the other client. Both clients are picking Earlier post: your dhcpd.conf showed: host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:4F:49:00:1A:CB; fixed-address 192.168.0.102; filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.24-ltsp-4"; # option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; #This is NOT a MAC address # option option-129 "NIC=ne IO=0x300"; } If you are using rtl8039 in ws001 then the lines option128/129 should not have been commented out!! ------------- ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed May 12 12:08:09 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:08:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] quirky behaviour In-Reply-To: <000601c437bc$f70202e0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000601c437bc$f70202e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40A213A9.3030201@cmosnetworks.com> Sounds like the XDM server isn't running. What's happening is that the X11 server in /opt/ltsp/i386 (the one the thin client loads and runs) is indeed starting, but when it goes to do the xdm query, nothing's responding. Do a "ps ax | grep gdm" and see if anything shows up. If not, then you might be running kdm, so do "ps ax | grep kdm", and see if anything shows up. Failing that, try the same thing for the original one, which goes by the totally original name of...xdm. :-) Let us know your results. --TP Huck wrote: > Today power outtage ... test ltsp server isn't on UPS *doh* > > And afterwards I attempted to show someone how easily these > thin clients work in regards to booting up and automagically > attaching themselves to the server and getting the login screen > and then running the applications etc etc... > > But...(there's always a but...)...all I got was the 'grainy' grey screen > with the 'X' cursor in the middle... > > the mouse was able to move the cursor, although a login screen never > did appear... > > help? =) > > --Huck > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed May 12 12:17:17 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 06:17:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New server Message-ID: <40A215CD.6030607@elp.rr.com> How do I get all of my users and their folders moved from my old server to my new server? Bye Pat From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Wed May 12 11:07:24 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 07:07:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Advice of home cable modem gateway for student's home. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2013885678.1084345644@[10.2.60.5]> Hi Guys, Thank you for the quick replies. I am going to check out both IPCop and Censornet, I have never used those before and I am very curious. Thanks again, Tom Ventresco From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 12 13:16:55 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:16:55 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Spec Testing Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A5E@ILFGEXC> Hey - I've got a basic server setup now for a while. But I've only got 2 client machines to test it with, and one of them has an NForce2 chipset so it's useless :) (i haven't gotten the updated initrd img yet) Is there anyway of making the server think that there are, say 40 machines connected to it via the standarad ltsp login? I'm thinking kinda along the lines of Screen in *nix, but I want to know if the server can handle more than 5 machines .. then 10, and so on... you get me? Daniel ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From henryhartley at westat.com Wed May 12 13:54:02 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:54:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help to convince school Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B17D@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie [mailto:daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:14 AM >> >> So I motioned the possibility of Linux - the computer teacher's >> ears perked :p He's interested in it, but is basically 95% swaying >> towards Windows, despite the ridiculous pricing. Basically, how >> can I try to convince him to go with K12LTSP? I really think >> it'd help them - with the only problem being that he doesnt mind the >> students playing networked computer games, but obviously >> with K12 that won't be possible. Remember that these folks are not the ones actually *paying* the 10000 Euro bill. If it were coming out of his salary, you'd likely get a much different answer but to him, it's just a number. Now, tell him he can have 5 Microsoft machines or, for the same cost, 50 K12LTSP machines, and I bet you get his attention. The problem is that if he can get the 50 MS machines and it doesn't really cost him anything, then why not? You and I know that there are many costs beyond the initial license fees. Many of those costs are not obvious and come in terms of time spent fixing things that are broken (for some definition of "broken"). But once again, who bears the brunt of those costs? Will you be the one they call to fix things? If so, then that doesn't cost him either. Also, many people have become so inured to the realities of running Windows that they don't even notice the problems as such. It's like the car I drove in college. It didn't start well so I always had to park at the top of a hill. Once it was running, it usually worked fine but now and then it would stall. Sure, I'd like to have had a nice, new car that just worked but there was a sort of comfort in knowing my car. It's crazy but there you are. I think some people are like that with Windows. If there is some way to pass the cost on to those who want Windows, you'll have gone a long way towards making them take Linux seriously. If not, they'll just say, "we'll take what we know." >> He's had words with various other computer teachers (all use >> windows ... naturally :o)) and he's come back to me saying that >> he's seriously thinking of windows - help me bring him to the >> dark side! :D Sounds like he's already been swayed over to the dark side, Luke. Your job is to make him see that there is still some good in him. There is, too, I can feel it. :) The paper I wrote on this for our school (and the person in charge **still** has not found the $3000 to make it happen) is here. http://www.dotrose.com/fourth/foss-ltsp/ Feel free to use any portions that are helpful. -- Henry Hartley From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Wed May 12 14:17:35 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:17:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help to convince school In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A58@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A58@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40A231FF.9080607@glenwood.k12.mo.us> daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > So I motioned the possibility of Linux - the computer teacher's ears perked > :p He's interested in it, but is basically 95% swaying towards Windows, > despite the ridiculous pricing. > Basically, how can I try to convince him to go with K12LTSP? I really think > it'd help them - with the only problem being that he doesnt mind the > students playing networked computer games, but obviously with K12 that won't > be possible. I think it is possible, just not practical in terms of bandwidth, to play networked games. > > He's had words with various other computer teachers (all use windows ... > naturally :o)) and he's come back to me saying that he's seriously thinking > of windows - help me bring him to the dark side! :D > Don't you mean to bring him FROM the dark side? =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 12 14:11:21 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:11:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Help to convince school Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A5F@ILFGEXC> >I think it is possible, just not practical in terms of bandwidth, to >play networked games. Yeah I had thought that - it'd be absolute hell on the network all right >Don't you mean to bring him FROM the dark side? Nope, I meant what I said :) TO the dark side :p As much as I _know_ that linux will be nothing short of perfect for the school (and all schools for that matter) I will take my "linux is a load of sh*t" mantra to my grave :) Dont' get me wrong - I'm fully aware of how powerful it is, and how much better it is than windows! I've just had a _very_ unlucky streak with it over the past 2 years or so, so I have become a head strong Linux-basher, who loves linux! :D Get that one round your head :p To Henry: Thank you for the article - it's making for some very good reading! And you're right about the money aspect :( Daniel ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. 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From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 12 14:15:44 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:15:44 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Help to convince school Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A60@ILFGEXC> Henry, That's a mighty beast of a server for only 8 clients?! I was thinking that that kind of spec would suit a 50 client network! :s Time for a rethink I would imagine. This is what I was looking at getting: Dual Xeon 2.4Ghz Processors 2GB Ram (possibly 6 if possible) 2x120GB IDE Hard Drives >http://www.dotrose.com/fourth/foss-ltsp/ ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed May 12 14:32:41 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:32:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] quirky behaviour In-Reply-To: <000601c437bc$f70202e0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000601c437bc$f70202e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40A23589.8040101@criticalcontrol.com> Check LTSP doc section 6.6.1 Grey Screen with large X cursor. Peter From henryhartley at westat.com Wed May 12 14:37:08 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:37:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help to convince school Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B180@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie [mailto:daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:16 AM >> >> Henry, That's a mighty beast of a server for only 8 >> clients?! I was thinking that that kind of spec would >> suit a 50 client network! :s Well, the eight clients is a small lab and is really just a start. The plan is to move from that to having a few computers in each classroom so more like 30. We'd also be looking at replacing the teacher/staff computer network with an LTSP system and this machine would help us in that transition. You're right, however, using that machine for just eight clients might be overkill. -- Henry From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 12 14:30:32 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:30:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Help to convince school Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A61@ILFGEXC> >> Henry, That's a mighty beast of a server for only 8 >> clients?! I was thinking that that kind of spec would >> suit a 50 client network! :s > >Well, the eight clients is a small lab and is really just a start. The plan >is to move from that to having a few computers in each classroom so more >like 30. We'd also be looking at replacing the teacher/staff computer >network with an LTSP system and this machine would help us in that >transition. You're right, however, using that machine for just eight >clients might be overkill. might be?? _MIGHT_ be? :) True though, I haven't gotten to test this system in a large environment but common sense tells me that that baby could turn a rocket on a penny and still have enough room left to run KDE OOo and Mozilla for all 8 clients ;) ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed May 12 15:13:02 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] No Subject Message-ID: <1647407.1084374782125.JavaMail.Administrator@ATP2> Is there a way to set things up so that if a student prints an assignment in OO that his or her login will be printed across the top of the paper like happens when printing from Mozilla or other browser? Thanks Bye PAt From les at futuresource.com Wed May 12 15:26:24 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:26:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ximian connector for evolution is GPL'd now Message-ID: <1084375584.11918.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Not to encourage anyone to keep using Exchange, but if you are stuck with it and that is holding you back from using evolution you might want to look at: http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2004/05/pr04034.html And from a message on the freshrpms list, evolution 1.5.7 is at http://people.redhat.com/dmalcolm and the connector will there soon (it isn't yet). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From max989 at adelphia.net Wed May 12 16:14:58 2004 From: max989 at adelphia.net (Max Anikstein) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:14:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school Message-ID: <20040512161357.GRPL26615.mta9.adelphia.net@HERCULES> I wrote a proposal for my high school to build a K12LTSP based lab. It?s working great, and it?s incredibly cheap. If you?d like to read my proposal, it?s available at: HYPERLINK "http://www.schaffter.org/p3.htm"http://www.schaffter.org/p3.htm . Use whatever you?d like from it. Max Anikstein HYPERLINK "http://www.technihilism.com"www.technihilism.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.682 / Virus Database: 444 - Release Date: 5/11/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From haysja at sages.us Wed May 12 16:38:46 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:38:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school In-Reply-To: <20040512161357.GRPL26615.mta9.adelphia.net@HERCULES> References: <20040512161357.GRPL26615.mta9.adelphia.net@HERCULES> Message-ID: <40A25316.8010500@sages.us> When it comes down to it, there is only one way to sell K12LTSP. Money, money, money. Do a comparison of costs between replacing an exising lab with new computers and MS software and "replacing" the lab with a new server using the existing computers as clients (even with new monitors, keyboards, and mice) and interest will be there. Do NOT forget to include the cost savings on managing the lab. A comparison of replacing (assume 25 computers in a lab) with new MS computers (at about $1000 each) compared to reusing existing computers with new monitores, keyboards, and mice (~$250 each) and a server (~$3000) and the difference will turn some heads quickly. Sell the cost savings to the "higher ups" and the teachers will be forced to follow. Using this approach, you can show how much their "pet" software really costs. General applications (web browser, office suite, email client, graphics manipulation, etc) are free, included, and fully tested in K12LTSP. You get to find out how much Aceelerated Reader, etc, really cost. Max Anikstein wrote: > I wrote a proposal for my high school to build a K12LTSP based lab. > It?s working great, and it?s incredibly cheap. If you?d like to read > my proposal, it?s available at: http://www.schaffter.org/p3.htm . Use > whatever you?d like from it. > > > > Max Anikstein > > www.technihilism.com > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.682 / Virus Database: 444 - Release Date: 5/11/2004 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed May 12 16:40:41 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:40:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] quirky behaviour In-Reply-To: <40A23589.8040101@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c4383f$dd2fa9c0$1803010a@paasda.org> Thanks! RTFD...always helps =) changed about 6 settings as described in 6.6.1... so not sure which truly solved the issue(which bites) but hey it works now...(hrm..aughta go get a ups for it today..) --Huck oh and gdm-binary and gdmgreeter were both running...prior to those 6.6.1 setting changes -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:33 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] quirky behaviour Check LTSP doc section 6.6.1 Grey Screen with large X cursor. Peter _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed May 12 16:47:27 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:47:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school In-Reply-To: <40A25316.8010500@sages.us> Message-ID: <001d01c43840$cf484960$1803010a@paasda.org> As a consultant I'd agree...because your time fixing/repairing/updating..etc windows stuff is expensive.. but if you are salary'd in-house...and you are there 8hrs a day no matter what... TIME is what you should be selling on par with $$ savings... Because if you are in-house salary'd at a school you are likely having to teach classes, sponsor a class/club/etc...coaching, various sub-committees likely... and the 10+ hrs a week you spend resolving stupid issues on 50-100+ windows machines can likely be trim'd right off the top with k12LTSP...thus giving you more time to focus on lesson plans, future development/deployment of other labs, curriculm, projects, a nice case study to submit to the local news paper to promote the use of Linux in schools *nudge nudge* =) (Shameless plug I guess...linux is being talked about more and more in the media, and exposure is everything!) The computer ignorant superintendants and principals, go by what they HEAR since they don't KNOW... Anyway I'm going off on a tangent, all I'm saying is the TIME saved by implementing K12LTSP ALONE pays for it. And the monetary savings on license costs means instead of adding $40k to your budget over the next 5 years. You can make due nicely with the budget you currently have and likely a reduced one =) There is a lot to be said for Financial Prudence. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hays Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:39 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school When it comes down to it, there is only one way to sell K12LTSP. Money, money, money. Do a comparison of costs between replacing an exising lab with new computers and MS software and "replacing" the lab with a new server using the existing computers as clients (even with new monitors, keyboards, and mice) and interest will be there. Do NOT forget to include the cost savings on managing the lab. A comparison of replacing (assume 25 computers in a lab) with new MS computers (at about $1000 each) compared to reusing existing computers with new monitores, keyboards, and mice (~$250 each) and a server (~$3000) and the difference will turn some heads quickly. Sell the cost savings to the "higher ups" and the teachers will be forced to follow. Using this approach, you can show how much their "pet" software really costs. General applications (web browser, office suite, email client, graphics manipulation, etc) are free, included, and fully tested in K12LTSP. You get to find out how much Aceelerated Reader, etc, really cost. Max Anikstein wrote: > I wrote a proposal for my high school to build a K12LTSP based lab. > It?s working great, and it?s incredibly cheap. If you?d like to read > my proposal, it?s available at: http://www.schaffter.org/p3.htm . Use > whatever you?d like from it. > > > > Max Anikstein > > www.technihilism.com > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.682 / Virus Database: 444 - Release Date: 5/11/2004 > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bullet at sc.rr.com Wed May 12 16:55:17 2004 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (bullet at sc.rr.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:55:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SuSE over K12LTSP? So Sez District IT... Message-ID: <63340-220045312165517357@M2W048.mail2web.com> Hi: Just got my first feedback (indirectly) from the district IT people (I have been concentrating in putting together a proposal for building level admin first before going to district. I gather that this can sometimes be a REALLY messed-up deal politicaly and wanted the building-level people fully on-board first before I came up on the district's radar). Anyway, what I gather from this second-hand feedback is that at least somebody at district is not hostile to the idea, but he pushed going with a SuSE-based implementation. The hypothesis is that since we are a Novell-based district and that SuSE is afilliated with/owned by Novell, there would be some advantages in going the SuSe route when/if this became a bigger-than-building-level initiative and we wanted to integrate the fuctions of the proposed labs with the district. Now, this could be taken a couple of ways...one is that it would tend to complicate initial deployment considerably: I gather that I would have to get away from the turnkey simplicity of the integrated Fedora/K12LTSP model and have to go in and set up SuSE, then LTSP, and then get all those apps to push out to the clients properly one app at a time. How horrible would this be, given my measureable but modest experience/talent as a LINUX admin? I already have 9.0 at the house and have played with it some, but am certainly no expert. OTOH, there is the tantalizing prospect of district perhaps jumping on board with both feet, at least at some point in the future. No reason in making this any harder on them than I need to, without driving myself nuts in the process. Or is there some intermediate solution, providing a "best of both worlds" solution? Is my glass half-empty or half-full here? TIA -Tom Orangeburg, SC -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From bullet at sc.rr.com Wed May 12 16:55:14 2004 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (bullet at sc.rr.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:55:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SuSE over K12LTSP? So Sez District IT... Message-ID: <281450-220045312165514711@M2W044.mail2web.com> Hi: Just got my first feedback (indirectly) from the district IT people (I have been concentrating in putting together a proposal for building level admin first before going to district. I gather that this can sometimes be a REALLY messed-up deal politicaly and wanted the building-level people fully on-board first before I came up on the district's radar). Anyway, what I gather from this second-hand feedback is that at least somebody at district is not hostile to the idea, but he pushed going with a SuSE-based implementation. The hypothesis is that since we are a Novell-based district and that SuSE is afilliated with/owned by Novell, there would be some advantages in going the SuSe route when/if this became a bigger-than-building-level initiative and we wanted to integrate the fuctions of the proposed labs with the district. Now, this could be taken a couple of ways...one is that it would tend to complicate initial deployment considerably: I gather that I would have to get away from the turnkey simplicity of the integrated Fedora/K12LTSP model and have to go in and set up SuSE, then LTSP, and then get all those apps to push out to the clients properly one app at a time. How horrible would this be, given my measureable but modest experience/talent as a LINUX admin? I already have 9.0 at the house and have played with it some, but am certainly no expert. OTOH, there is the tantalizing prospect of district perhaps jumping on board with both feet, at least at some point in the future. No reason in making this any harder on them than I need to, without driving myself nuts in the process. Or is there some intermediate solution, providing a "best of both worlds" solution? Is my glass half-empty or half-full here? TIA -Tom Orangeburg, SC -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed May 12 17:02:36 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:02:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SuSE over K12LTSP? So Sez District IT... In-Reply-To: <63340-220045312165517357@M2W048.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <002001c43842$ed109360$1803010a@paasda.org> >From what I understand reading info-mails from Novell, they are moving their business model to providing broken down services iFolder, Groupwise, and all that jazz, modularly(hopefully the right adjective there), in such a way that no matter what implementation you have for a Server OS, you will be able to purchase and run their various "network enhancing software"<--(I like that sound) =) So whether you are utilizing FedoraCore, SUSE, Debian, Windows Server 2003, Netware, etc... you will be able to implement various Novell services on them ALL. --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of bullet at sc.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:55 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] SuSE over K12LTSP? So Sez District IT... Hi: Just got my first feedback (indirectly) from the district IT people (I have been concentrating in putting together a proposal for building level admin first before going to district. I gather that this can sometimes be a REALLY messed-up deal politicaly and wanted the building-level people fully on-board first before I came up on the district's radar). Anyway, what I gather from this second-hand feedback is that at least somebody at district is not hostile to the idea, but he pushed going with a SuSE-based implementation. The hypothesis is that since we are a Novell-based district and that SuSE is afilliated with/owned by Novell, there would be some advantages in going the SuSe route when/if this became a bigger-than-building-level initiative and we wanted to integrate the fuctions of the proposed labs with the district. Now, this could be taken a couple of ways...one is that it would tend to complicate initial deployment considerably: I gather that I would have to get away from the turnkey simplicity of the integrated Fedora/K12LTSP model and have to go in and set up SuSE, then LTSP, and then get all those apps to push out to the clients properly one app at a time. How horrible would this be, given my measureable but modest experience/talent as a LINUX admin? I already have 9.0 at the house and have played with it some, but am certainly no expert. OTOH, there is the tantalizing prospect of district perhaps jumping on board with both feet, at least at some point in the future. No reason in making this any harder on them than I need to, without driving myself nuts in the process. Or is there some intermediate solution, providing a "best of both worlds" solution? Is my glass half-empty or half-full here? TIA -Tom Orangeburg, SC -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From victor at hiplik.com.hk Wed May 12 17:07:24 2004 From: victor at hiplik.com.hk (Victor) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 01:07:24 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting Novell 3.11 partition References: <40A215CD.6030607@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <00dd01c43843$9cecb7a0$6c01a8c0@VictorNotebook> Hi, Does anyone know how to mount a Novell 3.11 partition on Linux system? I am using Fedora 1. I have a Novell 3.11 partition which has some bad sectors and I cannot start the Novell server from the SCSI hard disk. As it contains many important information, I hope anyone can help me to receover as many as files from Novell 3.11 partition. Thank you in advance. Victor From charlesmhale at comcast.net Wed May 12 17:44:01 2004 From: charlesmhale at comcast.net (Charles M Hale) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:44:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP w/2.6.6 kernel-NFS Daemon Failure References: <20040512132842.D666774018@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000701c43848$b7488340$f11610ac@ltsp> Attempting to upgrade my 2.4.20 kernel to 2.6.6. Downloaded the new kernel installed and compiled it. NFS works just fine with the 2.4.20 kernel However, on boot, the NFS daemon fails to start. Using an AMD 32 bit processor on one server and on the other server an AMD 64 bit Opteron. The NFS daemon seems to fail on both. Is there an option I need to set? The only additional option I've configured is for 386 and for the EXT3 FS to be part of the kernel instead of a module. Any help would be appreciated. Chuck, From rhlists at iwpnews.com Wed May 12 18:16:19 2004 From: rhlists at iwpnews.com (Robert Harrelson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:16:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Session Time Out In-Reply-To: <20040510164858.88607.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040510164858.88607.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1084385779.29251.38.camel@symbiont2.iwpnews.com> On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 12:48, xyz xyz wrote: > Is there a setting that controls time-out's. It > appears that after about 15 minutes of inactivity on > the terminal - everything freezes up and i need to > reboot the terminal to connect back to the LTSP > server. > Could be that the workstation's bios is configured to power down after 15 minutes of inactivity -- I've seen that and fixed it by disabling "Power Saving" in the client bios. Robert > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Robert Harrelson Inside Washington Publishers 703-416-8505 800-424-9068 robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Wed May 12 18:32:02 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:32:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SuSE over K12LTSP? So Sez District IT... In-Reply-To: <002001c43842$ed109360$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <002001c43842$ed109360$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40A26DA2.3000505@coll-outao.qc.ca> > Or is there some intermediate solution, providing a >"best of both worlds" solution? > We dont know how far they want Novell integration but you can get Netware authentication and home volume mounting for K12LTSP. Someone on the list reported that they got it going on FC1 (K12TTSP V4). Check our this K12LTSP wiki page: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/InterOperability%3ANovellAuthenticationforK12LTSP Would this be a intermediate solution to you? From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed May 12 18:34:07 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:34:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Audio issues In-Reply-To: References: <, > Message-ID: <40A26E1F.6050104@netscape.net> Hi , I'm having some sound issues ... when I run the soundcard detection it identifies the card but no sound ?? The "lscpi" yields: 00:11.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 06) on my main server and 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) on the second one Hardware browser identifies the cards but still no audio any suggestions ? thanks norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The district-level SuSE supported should be willing to buy this, since it dramatically increases the probability of a successful initial Linux deployment, and starts building in-house support skills, etc. while leaving the door open for an even smoother introduction of SuSE in other areas in the future. In other words, using SuSE at the outset increases project risk, but there's no reason not to use it in the future. I'd see a K12LTSP deployment as your "best of both worlds" solution. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed May 12 23:11:11 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 04:41:11 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] speed In-Reply-To: <200405120932.46544.jef.peeraer@pandora.be> References: <40A163EB.90206@jm-associates.com> <40A184F6.2050202@jm-associates.com> <1084334897.15042.8.camel@server.ltsp> <200405120932.46544.jef.peeraer@pandora.be> Message-ID: <1084403471.3928.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 13:02, jef peeraer wrote: > On Wednesday 12 May 2004 06:08, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 07:29, Chris Berry wrote: > > > How much do you think disk speed affects the latency, and is it worth it > > > to use 15k rpm scsi disks instead of 10k rpm. Will we notice serious > > > speed loss using IDE for 2 or 3 clients, or only when we start loading > > > up more? > > > > I am running one system on IDE one on SATA and more on SCSI. Always with > > more clients coming in (beyond 10+ concurrent) latency starts becoming > > apparent and irritating as more clients become concurrent. > > Two systems that are on SCSI today I used RAID0 on two IDE's to solve > > part of the problem and although there was improvement in read / writes > > as shown by hdparm it was still not good enough. SATA is much better but > > no where near SCSI. > > Lot of discussions on this can be dug up in archives of the list. As far > > as two three clients as proof of concept the current hardware is okay. > what about these 10000 rpm sata drives . will they be sufficient for 10 + > loads ? > > jef Others have spoken. Technically it is IDE-PATA for traditional drives and IDE-SATA for serial drives. ;-) (me throwing in jargon!!) Coming to your original intention. Right now IDE is okay for demo. Would still recommend two SCSI from personal experience and advice that can be found on the list archives for production server. To recall in brief jury is still out on SATA as there are improvements taking place on this technology. SCSI are more efficient as I/O requests can be multi-queued and not single queued as in IDE's either PATA or SATA. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed May 12 23:58:09 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 05:28:09 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Still hanging at mounting filesystem In-Reply-To: <20040512113634.38803.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040512113634.38803.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1084406287.3928.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 17:06, Dana Persells wrote: > Thanks, Sudev... Does it mean you are home free and thing is finally working??? > I tried removing the quotes, then the client will not > get as far and the card is not properly recognized. SO you are then working with PCI8029 card and not generally available 8039 ISA cards. In that case the quotes will have to there to comment out option lines. This is also what Dan Bo has mentioned in his post to this thread. Personally I have only come across ISA 8039 cards (or am I confusing with 8029??? --- need to rip open a few boxes and confirm ;-0 ) The lines need to working only for ISA cards. > It's interesting that these were placed upon > installation automatically with the quotes. I didn't > do it. RH9 identifies the card as a NE2000 clone which Yes LTSP makes a example configuration for dhcpd and places two three "example" workstation sections to be used for creating newer sections for workstations. Personally therefore I never use ws001 but start my workstations from number ws011. Editing dhcpd.conf later on I do not have to hunt for lines to copy paste. > is partially correct on the version of the card that > is in the server. However, the driver is different > from etherboot (rom-o-matic) and a ne2000 clone driver > will not boot card. Weird! You learn and you learn..... -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu May 13 00:03:55 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:03:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client question In-Reply-To: <40A106E4.6090705@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <1084276556.6262.31.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> <40A106E4.6090705@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <40A2BB6B.7070109@cfl.rr.com> They should make great LTSP clients, just replace the NIC's with one's that have the etherboot roms already on them so they'll boot straight into LTSP and you want have to make special floppies for each machine (a maintenance nightmare,IMHO). Here's the link to the one's I'd recommend: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/100003.html?id=wjVnQp65 Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > Justin Paulsen wrote: > >> I have a lab full of Gateway 2000 p5-133 machines with 32 MB ram, Sound >> Blaster 16 sound cards, 10/100 nics and old ati video cards. >> >> The memory can't be upgraded, how would these work for LTSP? >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > They should be excellent! Wanna give any away? > From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 13 00:09:30 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 05:39:30 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] speed In-Reply-To: <40A267F0.2030409@wisloff.no> References: <40A163EB.90206@jm-associates.com> <1084325999.3274.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <40A184F6.2050202@jm-associates.com> <1084334897.15042.8.camel@server.ltsp> <40A263DC.2050102@jm-associates.com> <40A267F0.2030409@wisloff.no> Message-ID: <1084406969.3928.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 23:37, Ragnar Wisl?ff wrote: > Chris Berry skrev: > > > > > Ok, thanks for the help. Has anyone found gigabit NICs helpful, or are > > the bottlenecks mostly ram and disk speed? > > > We have sites that regularly run way above 100 Mbit/s with 40 students > logged on. So Gbit cards are nice to have. Just make sure the rest of > the network is up to speed (sic!). Personally in my office sites I never really see traffic much above 10Mbps on a 100Mbps network. Other have talked of higher bandwidth needs, mostly in class room environment. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu May 13 00:12:41 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:12:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Qcad Pro. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40A2BD79.2050208@cfl.rr.com> Personally, I prefer not to install software that has not been tested on my platform. The way I do that is to stick to software that is located in my YUM repositories, or at least has RPM's for Fedora. I hate tweaking after an install, software that you PAY for should hold your hand, IMHO, and install and work within minutes after install. Cheers, Mark Jenkins wrote: > > Hi there, I hope that someone can help me out with this one. We are > using the Fedora version of K12LTSP version 4. We have been running > qcad which was included with the installation. > qcad-1.5.4-1.k12ltsp.1.3.1.i386.rpm > > Our tech. department foot the bill to purchase the Pro. version of > qcad. qcad-2.0.3.1-1-prof.linux.x86.tar.gz > > After un-installing the RPM and extracting and installing (no > installation really, just made sure the perms. were set & created a > symlink) the Professional version, we are getting the message which > indicates qcad: cannot connect to X server. I have contacted the > support folks at RibbonSoft & he (Andrew) really does not seem to know > what the difference would be or why one would work but not the other. > This only happens when running it from a terminal machine, qcad pro > works fine on the server and it also works fine running from VNC. > I did send the RPM source to RibbonSoft & Andrew came back and > said that it contained the Official Release for that version & was > wondering if there was a patch or something we were missing. > > All other apps. work fine, all terminals are still resolved correctly > in the host file also. > > Any help would be great, > Mark Jenkins > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 13 00:16:26 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 05:46:26 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting Novell 3.11 partition In-Reply-To: <00dd01c43843$9cecb7a0$6c01a8c0@VictorNotebook> References: <40A215CD.6030607@elp.rr.com> <00dd01c43843$9cecb7a0$6c01a8c0@VictorNotebook> Message-ID: <1084407386.3928.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 22:37, Victor wrote: > Does anyone know how to mount a Novell 3.11 partition on Linux system? I am > using Fedora 1. > I have a Novell 3.11 partition which has some bad sectors and I cannot start > the Novell server from the SCSI hard disk. As it contains many important > information, I hope anyone can help me to receover as many as files from > Novell 3.11 partition. Assuming relevant tools are already installed. Here it goes: 1.Login as root 2.Type ipx_configure --auto_primary=on --auto_interface=on 3.Wait for a minute and type cat /proc/net/ipx_interface. You will get the result like Network Node_Address Primary Device Frame_Type AAAAAAAA 000CF16DC769 Yes eth0 802.3 4.Type slist. You should see something like Known NetWare File Servers Network Node Address ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- SEREVR 00000250 000000000001 where SERVER is our novell server's name. 5.Type mkdir /home/netware to create a directory for mounting the netware volumes. 6.Type ncpmount -S SERVER -U USER /home/netware where USER is the user name. It will ask for the password. you have to give novell server's password. 7.At this point your server is mounted on /home/netware. The volumes are subdirectories under /home/netware. so the SYS volume would be /home/netware/sys & VOL volume would be /home/netware/vol1. 8.To unmount the mounted volumes type ncpumount /home/netware. This is what I use. I am still looking at ways to automate this so that cron can do the job without user intervention. HTH. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 13 00:25:35 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 05:55:35 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] New server In-Reply-To: <40A215CD.6030607@elp.rr.com> References: <40A215CD.6030607@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1084407935.3928.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 17:47, John P. Conlon wrote: > How do I get all of my users and their folders moved from my old server > to my new server? Depends on what is old server and what is new server. If both are K12LTSP server then you will have to change IP address of old server to something different from 192.168.0.254 but within 192.168.0.xxx range. Next you will have to export /home directory in /etc/exports (normally this involves removing the # from line already present in the file if you are using standard k12LTSP install) Restart service network and nfs to give effect to your changes, no need to re-boot for every change like the wordly wise M$ product we all know. On the new server make a directory say "makdir /home/oldserver" Run "mount 192.168.0.xxx:/home /home/oldserver" You will see the old directory when you "ls -l /home/oldserver" Copy the files by "cp -fR /home/oldserver/* /home/." Unmount the old server "umount 192.168.0.xxx:/home" and shut it off! Caution: This is assuming all UID and GID are perserved across both server. Look at eralier posts on how to copy passwd, shadow and group files in /etc directory. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From victor at hiplik.com.hk Thu May 13 01:31:26 2004 From: victor at hiplik.com.hk (Victor) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:31:26 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting Novell 3.11 partition References: <40A215CD.6030607@elp.rr.com><00dd01c43843$9cecb7a0$6c01a8c0@VictorNotebook> <1084407386.3928.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <016501c4388a$0526d5d0$6c01a8c0@VictorNotebook> Hi, Thanks for you advice. However, I cannot start the Novell 3.11 server due to a failure in the SCSI hard disk. Your suggestion seems that I have to access the Novell partition through network. Actually, I use a PCI SCSI card to connect the SCSI hard disk locally and I need to mount the Novell partition through this SCSI hard disk. I tried this command: mount -t ncpfs -r /dev/sda2 /mnt/novell Then I was asked to input password but I don't know the password. I don't know whether it is the admin password of the Novell partition or anything else. Do you have any suggestion? Thank you very much. Victor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sudev Barar" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mounting Novell 3.11 partition > On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 22:37, Victor wrote: > > Does anyone know how to mount a Novell 3.11 partition on Linux system? I am > > using Fedora 1. > > I have a Novell 3.11 partition which has some bad sectors and I cannot start > > the Novell server from the SCSI hard disk. As it contains many important > > information, I hope anyone can help me to receover as many as files from > > Novell 3.11 partition. > Assuming relevant tools are already installed. Here it goes: > 1.Login as root > > 2.Type ipx_configure --auto_primary=on --auto_interface=on > > 3.Wait for a minute and type cat /proc/net/ipx_interface. You will get > the result like > > Network Node_Address Primary Device Frame_Type > AAAAAAAA 000CF16DC769 Yes eth0 802.3 > > 4.Type slist. You should see something like > > Known NetWare File Servers Network Node Address > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > SEREVR 00000250 000000000001 > > where SERVER is our novell server's name. > > 5.Type mkdir /home/netware to create a directory for mounting the > netware volumes. > > 6.Type ncpmount -S SERVER -U USER /home/netware > where USER is the user name. It will ask for the password. you have to > give novell server's password. > > 7.At this point your server is mounted on /home/netware. The volumes are > subdirectories under /home/netware. so the SYS volume would be > /home/netware/sys & VOL volume would be /home/netware/vol1. > > 8.To unmount the mounted volumes type ncpumount /home/netware. > > This is what I use. I am still looking at ways to automate this so that > cron can do the job without user intervention. > HTH. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu May 13 00:41:14 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:41:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] scribus Message-ID: <40A2C42A.5070502@snet.net> A few of you have mentioned using Scribus. I dled it and did configure, make, make install and got errors. su-ed and did it again. It has installed in /usr/local/lib/scribus, but there is no executable to start the darned thing. Is this a UTS bug? (k12 3.1.2) tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From Steven at stevensantos.com Thu May 13 03:22:36 2004 From: Steven at stevensantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 23:22:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Still hanging at mounting filesystem In-Reply-To: <20040512235926.37F54737C6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000301c43899$89ab1960$6901a8c0@SS> > SO you are then working with PCI-Uber card and not generally available > Uber-ISA cards. In that case... ...need to rip open a few boxes and > confirm ;-0)... ...Yes LTSP makes a example configuration for dhcpd and places two three "example" workstation sections to be used for creating > newer sections for workstations.... ...[Thats why] I never use ws001... > ...Editing dhcpd.conf later on I do not have to hunt for lines to copy > paste... Some one tell me again why we don't have a tool that will auto create these enteries for good old Aunt Tilly? Maybe this is one of the tools Novell will come out and sell as a value addon... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Email : Steven at StevenSantos.com Web : www.CircusNews.com Postal: PO Box 620753 Newton, Ma. 02462 From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 13 04:07:06 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:37:06 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting Novell 3.11 partition In-Reply-To: <016501c4388a$0526d5d0$6c01a8c0@VictorNotebook> References: <40A215CD.6030607@elp.rr.com> <00dd01c43843$9cecb7a0$6c01a8c0@VictorNotebook> <1084407386.3928.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> <016501c4388a$0526d5d0$6c01a8c0@VictorNotebook> Message-ID: <1084421226.2460.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 07:01, Victor wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for you advice. > However, I cannot start the Novell 3.11 server due to a failure in the SCSI > hard disk. Your suggestion seems that I have to access the Novell partition > through network. Actually, I use a PCI SCSI card to connect the SCSI hard > disk locally and I need to mount the Novell partition through this SCSI hard > disk. My assumption was wrong Admin password missing? google could be your friend for any recovery methods. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From erich at erichv.com Thu May 13 05:08:30 2004 From: erich at erichv.com (Erich Vinson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 23:08:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need input from educators... Message-ID: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> Greetings! First off, as a long-time Linux advocate, let me say the K12LTSP distro is a *FANTASTIC* thing! The benefits to our schools are immediately obvious. Anyhow, I would like some input from the community for an open-source software project that I am planning. First, a small bit of background: I wrote some software in college that was pretty neat if I do say so myself. It was (for lack of a better term) like an educator's portal. You could have your students sign in, it would compile attendance data, you could generate tests on line, let students take the test using the software (it would instantly grade it, save essay questions), conference with parents via e-mail, keep a grade book, etc. The original software was written in ASP, but I have wanted to rewrite it in PHP for a long time. I want to give it away to anyone that wants it (under the GPL). K12LTSP seems like a perfect avenue for that, I would love to offer a finished product for inclusion in this distro. Whether my software is eventually included as part of the distro or not, I would like some feedback from the professionals out there... What features would benefit you the most in the classroom? I am thinking of extending the functionality of the original project, and having modules for creating homework assignments, students doing homework online, etc. Maybe, just maybe, if the publishers agree, offer texts online? Easier said than done, I know, but I am just brainstorming here. This is kind of my little way of giving back to the community at large, so any feedback would be greatly appreciated! :) Thanks in advance! -- Erich Vinson [note: I sent this message earlier from the wrong e-mail account... sorry for any duplicates!] From les at futuresource.com Thu May 13 05:25:53 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 00:25:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting Novell 3.11 partition In-Reply-To: <016501c4388a$0526d5d0$6c01a8c0@VictorNotebook> References: <40A215CD.6030607@elp.rr.com> <00dd01c43843$9cecb7a0$6c01a8c0@VictorNotebook> <1084407386.3928.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> <016501c4388a$0526d5d0$6c01a8c0@VictorNotebook> Message-ID: <1084425953.5022.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 20:31, Victor wrote: > However, I cannot start the Novell 3.11 server due to a failure in the SCSI > hard disk. Your suggestion seems that I have to access the Novell partition > through network. Actually, I use a PCI SCSI card to connect the SCSI hard > disk locally and I need to mount the Novell partition through this SCSI hard > disk. > I tried this command: mount -t ncpfs -r /dev/sda2 /mnt/novell > Then I was asked to input password but I don't know the password. I don't > know whether it is the admin password of the Novell partition or anything > else. What you need is nwfs, not ncpfs which is the network client. However, this support never made it into an official kernel and development was dropped apparently due to legal threats from Novell against the author a few years ago. This would be an interesting topic to raise again now that Novell has put on their open-source friendly face. Anyway, if you want to work at this there are kernel patches at http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jmerkey/nwfs/ that should work in a kernel about the same age (2.2.x) and the mount command and filesystem utilities are at http://kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/fs/nwfs/ You'd probably have to set up a bootable partition with some old RedHat version (probably 7.x) to run a kernel that old. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From erich at erichv.com Thu May 13 05:26:22 2004 From: erich at erichv.com (Erich Vinson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 23:26:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP w/2.6.6 kernel-NFS Daemon Failure Message-ID: <40A306FE.80808@erichv.com> I still have yet to play with the 2.6.6 kernel. But, see my annotated responses below: >Attempting to upgrade my 2.4.20 kernel to 2.6.6. > As a rule of thumb, I personally never upgrade my kernels unless I *really* need to. >Downloaded the new kernel installed and compiled it. > Get any errors, warnings, or info messages during compile? >However, on boot, the NFS daemon fails to start. > > Do you have an error message? To reproduce any errors, just type: /etc/init.d/nfsd start while logged in as root From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Thu May 13 09:08:05 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:08:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A66@ILFGEXC> Another thing he was slightly worried about was the level of support available for him. I wasn't able to convince him that there's a never ending supply of _free_ support. Any help you need, yuo can get information from the internet, and in most cases from the actual designers of the system (like k12LTSP for example) He is basically looking for someone to take the blame if the system gets foo-barred. As a windows consultation company would - you know? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hays [mailto:haysja at sages.us] Sent: 12 May 2004 17:39 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school When it comes down to it, there is only one way to sell K12LTSP. Money, money, money. Do a comparison of costs between replacing an exising lab with new computers and MS software and "replacing" the lab with a new server using the existing computers as clients (even with new monitors, keyboards, and mice) and interest will be there. Do NOT forget to include the cost savings on managing the lab. A comparison of replacing (assume 25 computers in a lab) with new MS computers (at about $1000 each) compared to reusing existing computers with new monitores, keyboards, and mice (~$250 each) and a server (~$3000) and the difference will turn some heads quickly. Sell the cost savings to the "higher ups" and the teachers will be forced to follow. Using this approach, you can show how much their "pet" software really costs. General applications (web browser, office suite, email client, graphics manipulation, etc) are free, included, and fully tested in K12LTSP. You get to find out how much Aceelerated Reader, etc, really cost. ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu May 13 11:41:23 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:41:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A66@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A66@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40A35EE3.8010203@cmosnetworks.com> If that's the case, then it sounds like he's already made his decision. He's like my school district (the blame game). People have got to learn to accept that there is no "blame" if the business case is there. K12LTSP and other Free Software is not only a good business case, but it's simply the right thing to do. If he's looking for a place to point his finger, then he needs to stick with Windows. Then, he can stay busy pointing fingers while he's rebuilding how many boxes; meanwhile, the kids' access to technology is now degraded. I'm going to suggest what sounds like heresy. Agree with him about his Windows desire and offer to help push it forward! Yes, you read that right. Then, when the next Sasser, MSBlaster, or Nachi comes out (and it will), and the higher-ups are asking what can be done to stop this...then you have your iron-clad case, while their minds are actually focused on the problem. Then you present your case to this dude's bosses, saying, "This dude and I were discussing an idea that was designed specifically for K12, and it's immune to these viruses," etc. Give him credit for "coming up with the original idea", in front of all the bosses, and make clear that "_we_ think it'll really work well, and _we_ would like to do a small pilot to try it out." Notice the prodigious use of the word "we" here. This has two effects: 1.) It makes him look good for coming up with an idea that, yes, you came up with. That's just how government managers seem to work, so he's getting stroked in front of his bosses for free. 2.) He'll have more political trouble saying "no, no, I didn't come up with an idea that might solve our virus problem." This is especially so since *you* would then be appearing to his bosses like you're the team player here, and not him. Yes, it's dirty pool, and yes, it's sneaky. But I've seen it work in other areas. After the smashing success that K12LTSP will provide (and it will), then he looks like a hero and must at least privately--if only to himself--admit that you were right, meanwhile, naturally, taking all the credit. Let him; our initial goal--infiltration--will at that point have been achieved. --TP daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >Another thing he was slightly worried about was the level of support >available for him. I wasn't able to convince him that there's a never ending >supply of _free_ support. Any help you need, yuo can get information from >the internet, and in most cases from the actual designers of the system >(like k12LTSP for example) > >He is basically looking for someone to take the blame if the system gets >foo-barred. As a windows consultation company would - you know? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Hays [mailto:haysja at sages.us] >Sent: 12 May 2004 17:39 >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school > > >When it comes down to it, there is only one way to sell K12LTSP. Money, >money, money. > >Do a comparison of costs between replacing an exising lab with new >computers and MS software and "replacing" the lab with a new server >using the existing computers as clients (even with new monitors, >keyboards, and mice) and interest will be there. Do NOT forget to >include the cost savings on managing the lab. > >A comparison of replacing (assume 25 computers in a lab) with new MS >computers (at about $1000 each) compared to reusing existing computers >with new monitores, keyboards, and mice (~$250 each) and a server >(~$3000) and the difference will turn some heads quickly. > >Sell the cost savings to the "higher ups" and the teachers will be >forced to follow. > >Using this approach, you can show how much their "pet" software really >costs. General applications (web browser, office suite, email client, >graphics manipulation, etc) are free, included, and fully tested in >K12LTSP. You get to find out how much Aceelerated Reader, etc, really cost. > > > >====================================================== >This email and any attached files are confidential and may >be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. >Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. >If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, >copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this >communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received >this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately >by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie >and then delete this email. >Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free >as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, >arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore >does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents >of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage >suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. >If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu May 13 11:40:55 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 13 May 2004 19:40:55 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] terrell prude, Jr. on pentium 166 Message-ID: <1084448457.1018.61.camel@compaq.mydomain> Terrell, I was just trying to catch up with the last week's worth of postings to the list and I kept coming across your name again and again answering all sorts of threads - particularly starting with the feedback on setting up pentium 166s earlier. Take a pill man and stop helping so hard ;-). Really, you've got to get "employee of the week" award for all you've contributed to this list lately. I hope your useful stuff on setting up older client PCs is "wiki-fied". Well done. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu May 13 11:50:45 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:50:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terrell prude, Jr. on pentium 166 In-Reply-To: <1084448457.1018.61.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <1084448457.1018.61.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <40A36115.4030503@cmosnetworks.com> Gavin Chester wrote: >Terrell, I was just trying to catch up with the last week's worth of >postings to the list and I kept coming across your name again and again >answering all sorts of threads - particularly starting with the feedback >on setting up pentium 166s earlier. Take a pill man and stop helping so >hard ;-). Really, you've got to get "employee of the week" award for >all you've contributed to this list lately. I hope your useful stuff on >setting up older client PCs is "wiki-fied". Well done. > > Hey, I'm just glad someone else is finding it useful. That's kinda how things work, I guess--I can't tell you the first thing about Scribus, but I know old boxes pretty well. :-) We just jump in when there's something we happen to know about. You know that old saying about "there's nothing so evangelistic as a converted skeptic"? Well, I'm one of those. Not so long ago I was preaching the greatness of Windows NT and how there was nothing better. What a difference a few years makes.... --TP From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu May 13 11:50:30 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:50:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need input from educators... In-Reply-To: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> Message-ID: <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> Erich Vinson wrote: > > > First, a small bit of background: I wrote some software in college that > was pretty neat if I do say so myself. It was (for lack of a better > term) like an educator's portal. You could have your students sign in, > it would compile attendance data, you could generate tests on line, let > students take the test using the software (it would instantly grade it, > save essay questions), conference with parents via e-mail, keep a grade > book, etc. The original software was written in ASP, but I have wanted > to rewrite it in PHP for a long time. I want to give it away to anyone > that wants it (under the GPL). K12LTSP seems like a perfect avenue for > that, I would love to offer a finished product for inclusion in this > distro. This sounds a lot like freebrain.com (I think that's what is was called). I used this briefly a couple of years ago. I had quizzes, games and tests online, via this tool, that students could take online. Of course, being an English teacher, I could only use it for grammar and vocabulary. Reading assessment and papers wouldn't work, of course, except that students could submit their work in a drop box in a suitable file format (rtf). It was useful. Very useful. A calendar/plan book on their would be useful too. I keep a blog on my classroom site for communication with parents. That's a useful tool. I would like to be useful to you, if I may, in this project. I am no developer (html is my only code, really) but I am a gimper/artist and can create images, etc. I have quite a few images, splash screens, color themes, etc., up on KDElook.org (username: photodharma). I do all the graphics for my own site, of course, school-library.net, and have a site full of my own art, photodharma.com Also, I have quite a few writing activities and articles I use for reading assessments, etc., on my own classroom site (http://sterling.school-library.net) that I have or will release under creative commons, so that you could use them. I am always tring to generate more stuff and have many plans for more curricula to be posted. > > This is kind of my little way of giving back to the community at large, > so any feedback would be greatly appreciated! :) > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > Erich Vinson > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu May 13 12:07:46 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 06:07:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New server In-Reply-To: <1084407935.3928.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <40A215CD.6030607@elp.rr.com> <1084407935.3928.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <40A36512.8000807@elp.rr.com> Buth servers have K12LTSP Fedora in them. Because of the IP licenses the old one has a fixed IP that is internal to the building 10.xx.x.xxx Can we use fixed IP addresses in this range or will we have to change? Also I am fairly new to doing Linux things so is there a set of instructions for the actual exporting? If so what are they? Can I plug an ethernet cable directly between the two servers? Thanks Pat Sudev Barar wrote: >On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 17:47, John P. Conlon wrote: > > >>How do I get all of my users and their folders moved from my old server >>to my new server? >> >> >Depends on what is old server and what is new server. If both are >K12LTSP server then you will have to change IP address of old server to >something different from 192.168.0.254 but within 192.168.0.xxx range. >Next you will have to export /home directory in /etc/exports (normally >this involves removing the # from line already present in the file if >you are using standard k12LTSP install) Restart service network and nfs >to give effect to your changes, no need to re-boot for every change like >the wordly wise M$ product we all know. >On the new server make a directory say "makdir /home/oldserver" >Run "mount 192.168.0.xxx:/home /home/oldserver" You will see the old >directory when you "ls -l /home/oldserver" Copy the files by "cp -fR >/home/oldserver/* /home/." Unmount the old server "umount >192.168.0.xxx:/home" and shut it off! >Caution: This is assuming all UID and GID are perserved across both >server. Look at eralier posts on how to copy passwd, shadow and group >files in /etc directory. >HTH > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu May 13 12:13:35 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:13:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Inserting video mem size into lts.conf? Message-ID: <2527.195.84.143.98.1084450415.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Hi! I havent been able to find out how i insert video memory size into lts.conf. I have some bad behaiving Intel 810 graphics cards that doesnt understand they have 8 Mb of memory and need to tell them in lts.conf. I have rtfm but alas, no cigar. Cheers! /daniel Daniel Hedblom Admin Nipan School District Sweden +46 620-68 26 38 +46 70-383 72 44 From mjenkins at breweredu.org Thu May 13 12:17:53 2004 From: mjenkins at breweredu.org (Mark Jenkins) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:17:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Qcad Pro. In-Reply-To: <40A2BD79.2050208@cfl.rr.com> References: <40A2BD79.2050208@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Thu May 13 12:17:59 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:17:59 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A68@ILFGEXC> Funny - I had thought of doing that, basically infecting the network on purpose ;) Not that I would ever do it or anything :D But I simply refuse to firewall each bloody machine - it'd be a nightmare to maintain! (just something I thought of there that he may ask for) But you see my problem is that he will most likely ask me to be the network admin. Part time basis though - when ever there's a problem, I'll get a call and get there as soon as possible to sort it out. That sort of stuff will be ruled out almost completely with a linux solution, except in extreme cases such as hard ware faults / tea or coffee spilt on server / etc... :p He finds it _very_ difficult to understand why a community of programmers would feel obligated to provide any sort of backup support at all if there were any problems. The only word that I could think of to describe it was "honour", which, in hindsight, may not have come across as I meant it - it's a hard situation to explain to someone who doesnt understand it you see! Next time I see him (god knows when) I'll give linux one more stab - as he hasn't fully made up his mind yet. I'll explain how it may seem better to put in a system that 'everyone' uses in the 'real world' but that even governments are turning their back on it due to costs and security problems. I would imagine that < 1% of virus writers out there write anything to attack linux (but possibly microsoft do ;o) ) and that as linux is _designed_ to be a multi-user environment, it has built in security as one it's main core elements. Compared to Microsoft who finally allowed users to "Protect my home directory" in Windows XP :) Although what you say may seem like heresy, reverse phsychology may be the only way for him to learn. Spending 10000Euro (before proprietary software of course ... that's jsut the MS licensing fees), on top of the upgraded network switches, and new/2nd hand 17" monitors for half of the machines, then my own charge on top, and having an entire network brought to it's knees by some 6 year old in Taiwan with a commodore64 writing exploits ... may make him think again about K12. As it stands, the K12 server would be in and around 3/4000 euro (i'm making it so that it's so overpowered that it could possibly handle twice the machines neccessary - my calculations may be off you see :)) then my own fee for the installation of it all plus some donated bootable network cards from the bank i work in ... and possibly some 17" monitors (dont know yet). That's one hell of a saving :) Daniel -----Original Message----- From: Terrell Prude', Jr. [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: 13 May 2004 12:41 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school If that's the case, then it sounds like he's already made his decision. He's like my school district (the blame game). People have got to learn to accept that there is no "blame" if the business case is there. K12LTSP and other Free Software is not only a good business case, but it's simply the right thing to do. If he's looking for a place to point his finger, then he needs to stick with Windows. Then, he can stay busy pointing fingers while he's rebuilding how many boxes; meanwhile, the kids' access to technology is now degraded. I'm going to suggest what sounds like heresy. Agree with him about his Windows desire and offer to help push it forward! Yes, you read that right. Then, when the next Sasser, MSBlaster, or Nachi comes out (and it will), and the higher-ups are asking what can be done to stop this...then you have your iron-clad case, while their minds are actually focused on the problem. Then you present your case to this dude's bosses, saying, "This dude and I were discussing an idea that was designed specifically for K12, and it's immune to these viruses," etc. Give him credit for "coming up with the original idea", in front of all the bosses, and make clear that "_we_ think it'll really work well, and _we_ would like to do a small pilot to try it out." Notice the prodigious use of the word "we" here. This has two effects: 1.) It makes him look good for coming up with an idea that, yes, you came up with. That's just how government managers seem to work, so he's getting stroked in front of his bosses for free. 2.) He'll have more political trouble saying "no, no, I didn't come up with an idea that might solve our virus problem." This is especially so since *you* would then be appearing to his bosses like you're the team player here, and not him. Yes, it's dirty pool, and yes, it's sneaky. But I've seen it work in other areas. After the smashing success that K12LTSP will provide (and it will), then he looks like a hero and must at least privately--if only to himself--admit that you were right, meanwhile, naturally, taking all the credit. Let him; our initial goal--infiltration--will at that point have been achieved. --TP ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu May 13 13:57:04 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:57:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla slow resolving Message-ID: <64995.170.211.161.223.1084456624.squirrel@170.211.161.223> I'm running Mozilla 1.6 on my workstation and my gawd is it slow resolving. Not dirt slow but really slow. Everything else works snappy. I can go to a console and things resolve quickly. If I type the ip address of the site in my mozilla address bar it flies through just fine. But if I type the name and it has to resolve....it takes a lil while per request. It's just in Mozilla. Any ideas? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From jam at mcquil.com Thu May 13 14:12:06 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla slow resolving In-Reply-To: <64995.170.211.161.223.1084456624.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: Caleb, Sounds like your nameserver isn't configured properly. What do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ? Whatever address you have there, does it look correct ? Some people will setup their nameserver in resolv.conf to point to their ISP nameserver. I prefer to setup my own caching nameserver using named, part of the bind package. Then, I set my resolv.conf entry to point to 127.0.0.1. If you are using your own nameserver, is named running ? If you are using your ISP name server, is the address correct ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 13 May 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > I'm running Mozilla 1.6 on my workstation and my gawd is it slow resolving. > Not dirt slow but really slow. Everything else works snappy. I can go to a > console and things resolve quickly. If I type the ip address of the site in my > mozilla address bar it flies through just fine. But if I type the name and it > has to resolve....it takes a lil while per request. It's just in Mozilla. Any > ideas? > > From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu May 13 14:26:47 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:26:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla slow resolving In-Reply-To: References: <64995.170.211.161.223.1084456624.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: <64686.170.211.161.223.1084458407.squirrel@170.211.161.223> jam at McQuil.Com said: > Caleb, > > Sounds like your nameserver isn't configured properly. > > What do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ? resolv.conf: search samba local nameserver 127.0.0.1 nameserver 172.16.3.254 nameserver 165.29.1.12 The thing is, everything else resolves fine. It's *just* in mozilla that reolving is slow. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From jam at mcquil.com Thu May 13 14:32:29 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla slow resolving In-Reply-To: <64686.170.211.161.223.1084458407.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: Caleb, Have you exited completely from mozilla ? make sure it not still running. Then, fire it up again and see what happens. Mozilla likes to decide real early where it is going to get it's dns info from. If something changes under the hood, or if that nameserver dies, mozilla doesn't deal with it very well. Your first entry is 127.0.0.1. Make sure that named is running on your local server. Maybe restart it. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 13 May 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > jam at McQuil.Com said: > > Caleb, > > > > Sounds like your nameserver isn't configured properly. > > > > What do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ? > > resolv.conf: > search samba local > nameserver 127.0.0.1 > nameserver 172.16.3.254 > nameserver 165.29.1.12 > > The thing is, everything else resolves fine. It's *just* in mozilla that > reolving is slow. > From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 13 14:42:01 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:42:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A68@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A68@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40A38939.2010408@maltzen.net> daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > > He finds it _very_ difficult to understand why a community of programmers > would feel obligated to provide any sort of backup support at all if there > were any problems. The only word that I could think of to describe it was > "honour", which, in hindsight, may not have come across as I meant it - it's > a hard situation to explain to someone who doesnt understand it you see! > I think he's misunderstanding how OSS works because he thinks the developers are separate from the users, as is the case in many situations. In fact, the developers ARE the users. Eric, Jim, Chuck, and lots of others put in a ton of work on K12LTSP because they use it (they do so for other reasons, too, but that's beside the point). Everyone on this list and on the IRC is a user. So now it's not just a handful of people but dozens if not hundreds or thousands of people poking, prodding, and twiddling the code and configuration. That's why it works. Sharing software is trivial and immediate because of the internet; you couldn't build this kind of a community system with, say, snail mail. Part of the reason the programmers feel obligated to help if there are problems is because, since they use the system themselves, they want to fix/avoid any problems that might bite them. There certainly is some altruism involved, but if your boss won't accept that, explain the self-interest the developers have in fixing things. Petre From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu May 13 14:42:13 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:42:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla slow resolving In-Reply-To: References: <64686.170.211.161.223.1084458407.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: <63110.170.211.161.223.1084459333.squirrel@170.211.161.223> jam at McQuil.Com said: > Your first entry is 127.0.0.1. Make sure that named is running on your > local server. Maybe restart it. I just uncommented 127.0.0.1 and things seem much better now. I'll take this for a spin and see how things go. I wonder why I only noticed this with Mozilla 1.6? Anyway, thanks. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu May 13 14:47:29 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:47:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla slow resolving--CORRECTION In-Reply-To: <63110.170.211.161.223.1084459333.squirrel@170.211.161.223> References: <64686.170.211.161.223.1084458407.squirrel@170.211.161.223> <63110.170.211.161.223.1084459333.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: <64082.170.211.161.223.1084459649.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Caleb Wagnon said: > I just uncommented 127.0.0.1 and things seem much better now. I'll take this > for a spin and see how things go. I wonder why I only noticed this with > Mozilla 1.6? Anyway, thanks. oops.....uncommented = commented out -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu May 13 14:51:11 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:51:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Audio issues In-Reply-To: References: <, > Message-ID: <40A38B5F.10409@netscape.net> Second try .... "help" Hi , I'm having some sound issues ... when I run the soundcard detection it identifies the card but no sound ?? The "lscpi" yields: 00:11.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 06) on my main server and 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) on the second one Hardware browser identifies the cards but still no audio any suggestions ? thanks norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Doug On Thu, 13 May 2004, Les Bell wrote: > > "bullet at sc.rr.com" wrote: > > >> > I gather that I would have to > get away from the turnkey simplicity of the integrated Fedora/K12LTSP model > and have to go in and set up SuSE, then LTSP, and then get all those apps > to push out to the clients properly one app at a time. How horrible would > this be, given my measureable but modest experience/talent as a LINUX > admin? > << > > You've already articulated the major argument in favour of going with > K12LTSP: it works, out of the box. The district-level SuSE supported should > be willing to buy this, since it dramatically increases the probability of > a successful initial Linux deployment, and starts building in-house support > skills, etc. while leaving the door open for an even smoother introduction > of SuSE in other areas in the future. In other words, using SuSE at the > outset increases project risk, but there's no reason not to use it in the > future. > > I'd see a K12LTSP deployment as your "best of both worlds" solution. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 13 15:30:02 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:00:02 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Inserting video mem size into lts.conf? In-Reply-To: <2527.195.84.143.98.1084450415.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> References: <2527.195.84.143.98.1084450415.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1084462201.3271.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 17:43, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > I have rtfm but alas, no cigar. One more thing to read /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf.readme Yes there is a lts.conf readme which should give you all the details. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 13 15:47:11 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:17:11 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] New server In-Reply-To: <40A36512.8000807@elp.rr.com> References: <40A215CD.6030607@elp.rr.com> <1084407935.3928.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> <40A36512.8000807@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1084463231.3271.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 17:37, John P. Conlon wrote: > Buth servers have K12LTSP Fedora in them. Because of the IP licenses > the old one has a fixed IP that is internal to the building > 10.xx.x.xxx Can we use fixed IP addresses in this range or will we > have to change? Yes. You can use any range but advantage of K12LTSP is that hardly any configuration is needed if you go with defaults. So what is IP that has been assigned for your server? This needs to be set up in number of places. Before you go in to that confirm that in all other respects your system is following the k12LTSP scheme with two NIC cards. One for internal Thin client network and the other to be connected to your building Network. Ideally this IP should be assigned to gateway - the second NIC card eth1 and go with default IP scheme for all thin clients on the downside of your servers first NIC - eth0. > Also I am fairly new to doing Linux things so is there a set of > instructions for the actual exporting? That's what I have given. you just have to know the proper IP address of both the machines. > If so what are they? Can I plug an ethernet cable directly between > the two servers? You sure can provided it is one on one cable (cross over cable) Generally you do not get these cables. > Sudev Barar wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 17:47, John P. Conlon wrote: > > > > > How do I get all of my users and their folders moved from my old server > > > to my new server? > > > > > Depends on what is old server and what is new server. If both are > > K12LTSP server then you will have to change IP address of old server to > > something different from 192.168.0.254 but within 192.168.0.xxx range. > > Next you will have to export /home directory in /etc/exports (normally > > this involves removing the # from line already present in the file if > > you are using standard k12LTSP install) Restart service network and nfs > > to give effect to your changes, no need to re-boot for every change like > > the wordly wise M$ product we all know. > > On the new server make a directory say "makdir /home/oldserver" > > Run "mount 192.168.0.xxx:/home /home/oldserver" You will see the old > > directory when you "ls -l /home/oldserver" Copy the files by "cp -fR > > /home/oldserver/* /home/." Unmount the old server "umount > > 192.168.0.xxx:/home" and shut it off! > > Caution: This is assuming all UID and GID are perserved across both > > server. Look at eralier posts on how to copy passwd, shadow and group > > files in /etc directory. > > HTH > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 13 15:50:21 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:50:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board Message-ID: <40A3993D.1090407@maltzen.net> I have an off-topic question: Is anyone using Compaqs with Remote Insight Lights-Out boards? And more to the point, if so, have you got Mozilla running the java app to bring up the remote console? (I find it frustratingly ironic that I frequently have problems with java apps running through Mozilla on Linux but those same apps work fine through IE.) Petre From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 13 15:53:49 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:23:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A66@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A66@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <1084463629.3271.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 14:38, daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > He is basically looking for someone to take the blame if the system gets > foo-barred. As a windows consultation company would - you know? Would support from India be sufficiently exotic? If he is paying I can consult (and happily take blame) ;-) I empathise. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Thu May 13 16:13:57 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:13:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board In-Reply-To: <40A3993D.1090407@maltzen.net> References: <40A3993D.1090407@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1084464837.6656.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 10:50, Petre Scheie wrote: > (I find it frustratingly ironic that I frequently have problems with java apps > running through Mozilla on Linux but those same apps work fine through IE.) That was Microsoft's intent in making their java incompatible with the real thing - hence the long legal battle with Sun. Now that Sun has been paid off and agreed to stop the fight it will probably get even worse. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 13 16:18:15 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:18:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] scribus In-Reply-To: <40A2C42A.5070502@snet.net> Message-ID: <007901c43905$e4fca9c0$1803010a@paasda.org> being the time conservationist I am...I merely did an apt-get install scribus and poof did a 'updatedb' then a 'locate scribus' and there was an executable in one of the bin or sbin dirs...so then made a little launcher to run it... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of anthony baldwin Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:41 PM To: K12list Subject: [K12OSN] scribus A few of you have mentioned using Scribus. I dled it and did configure, make, make install and got errors. su-ed and did it again. It has installed in /usr/local/lib/scribus, but there is no executable to start the darned thing. Is this a UTS bug? (k12 3.1.2) tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 13 16:20:16 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:20:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board In-Reply-To: <1084464837.6656.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40A3993D.1090407@maltzen.net> <1084464837.6656.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40A3A040.4000700@maltzen.net> So, are you suggesting that the developers at Compaq of the Remote Console code their java to MS's standards rather than Sun's? Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 10:50, Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>(I find it frustratingly ironic that I frequently have problems with java apps >>running through Mozilla on Linux but those same apps work fine through IE.) > > > That was Microsoft's intent in making their java incompatible with > the real thing - hence the long legal battle with Sun. Now that > Sun has been paid off and agreed to stop the fight it will probably > get even worse. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Thu May 13 16:09:21 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:09:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A6E@ILFGEXC> -----Original Message----- From: Sudev Barar [mailto:sudev at mantraonline.com] >Would support from India be sufficiently exotic? If he is paying I can >consult (and happily take blame) ;-) Will you do it for free? :p >I empathise. Well then make him see sense and go for the devil! 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Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu May 13 16:35:43 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (TONY) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:35:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] scribus In-Reply-To: <007901c43905$e4fca9c0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <94337D36-A4FB-11D8-9423-000393887F56@snet.net> Hmmm...I didn't realize scribus was in any of our apt repos. That certainly simplifies things, doesn't it? thanks tony On Thursday, May 13, 2004, at 12:18 PM, Huck wrote: > being the time conservationist I am...I merely did an apt-get install > scribus > and poof did a 'updatedb' then a 'locate scribus' and there was an > executable in > one of the bin or sbin dirs...so then made a little launcher to run > it... > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of anthony baldwin > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:41 PM > To: K12list > Subject: [K12OSN] scribus > > > A few of you have mentioned using Scribus. > I dled it and did configure, make, make install and got errors. su-ed > and did it again. It has installed in /usr/local/lib/scribus, but there > is no executable > to start the darned thing. > Is this a UTS bug? > (k12 3.1.2) > > tony > > -- > Anthony Baldwin > http://www.School-Library.net > Freedom to Learn! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK > CODE BLOCK------ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu May 13 17:00:15 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:00:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board In-Reply-To: <40A3A040.4000700@maltzen.net> References: <40A3993D.1090407@maltzen.net> <1084464837.6656.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A3A040.4000700@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1084467614.8591.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 11:20, Petre Scheie wrote: > So, are you suggesting that the developers at Compaq of the Remote Console code > their java to MS's standards rather than Sun's? If doesn't work right with the Sun JVM that's a pretty obvious conclusion. If you were at Compaq, which would you support? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 13 17:15:01 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:15:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] what sound cards y'all use in server? Message-ID: <000001c4390d$d36842c0$1803010a@paasda.org> with all this talk about sound, I'm curious as to what works out of the box because this AC97 stuff looks like a pain in the keister! would be good to know what cards you just plug into the pci slot and kudzu does the rest and all the admin would have to do is uncomment esd or nasd in lts.conf =) --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[root at localhost tony]# yum check-update Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base retrygrab() failed for: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/headers/header.info Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/headers/header.info [Errno 7] HTTP Error (CannotSendRequest): Is this a problem at the servers, or my end? tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From nbs at sonic.net Thu May 13 18:28:38 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:28:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A68@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A68@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <20040513182838.GA16081@sonic.net> On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 01:17:59PM +0100, daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > He finds it _very_ difficult to understand why a community of programmers > would feel obligated to provide any sort of backup support at all if there > were any problems. The only word that I could think of to describe it was > "honour", which, in hindsight, may not have come across as I meant it - it's > a hard situation to explain to someone who doesnt understand it you see! When people say things like "why would programmers give their stuff away for free?" I feel like asking "oh, so I suppose you dislike the Red Cross, too?" ;^) -bill! Besides... Tux Paint for Linux comes out before any other versions ;^) From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu May 13 18:35:58 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:35:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum failure on 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <40A3BD5E.3040706@snet.net> References: <94337D36-A4FB-11D8-9423-000393887F56@snet.net> <40A3BD5E.3040706@snet.net> Message-ID: <40A3C00E.4090103@snet.net> anthony baldwin wrote: > Just upgraded to 4.0.1 and tried to run yum. > > [root at localhost tony]# yum check-update > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base > retrygrab() failed for: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/headers/header.info > > Executing failover method > failover: out of servers to try > Error getting file > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/headers/header.info > > [Errno 7] HTTP Error (CannotSendRequest): > > Is this a problem at the servers, or my end? > > tony > > It seems that apt-get is having problems, too, saying that I have duplicates of ntp and tuxpaint-stamps. I'm going to check the archives, because I swear someone else was having the same problem a few days ago. I think it's probably Bill's fault. ;) I'm sure he just doesn't want my daughter to run out of stamps... Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From mross at esd165.org Thu May 13 18:50:02 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:50:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum failure on 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <40A3C00E.4090103@snet.net> References: <94337D36-A4FB-11D8-9423-000393887F56@snet.net> <40A3BD5E.3040706@snet.net> <40A3C00E.4090103@snet.net> Message-ID: <40A3C35A.6010600@esd165.org> anthony baldwin wrote: > > It seems that apt-get is having problems, too, saying that I have > duplicates of ntp and tuxpaint-stamps. I'm going to check the > archives, because I swear someone else was having the same problem a > few days ago. > I think it's probably Bill's fault. ;) I'm sure he just doesn't want > my daughter to run out of stamps... FYI: I was the one having problems with Tuxpaint-Stamps. running a 'apt-get remove tuxpaint-stamps' removed the duplication. There is some question on when apt-get updates it's /etc/apt/sources.list, does it destroy the k12ltsp's custom /etc/apt/sources.list? Oh well, Fedora Core 2 is scheduled to release on Monday. If you guys need a beta tester for the next k12ltsp based on FC2, let me know... I'm interested. --Matt From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu May 13 18:17:05 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:17:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <94337D36-A4FB-11D8-9423-000393887F56@snet.net> References: <94337D36-A4FB-11D8-9423-000393887F56@snet.net> Message-ID: <40A3BBA1.20502@snet.net> I'm home from school because my daughter is ill, so I finally burned the 4.0.1 isos and installed. On first reboot X wouldn't start. I ran redhat-config-xfree86 and still no luck. I pico-ed /etc/X11/XF86Config and saw almost nothing amiss, except that I did enter the monitor vendor and model, although I think that matters little. Still no luck. But, thanks the Light I created aboot floppy, because, to date, I have never had a need for one. I flopped that floppy in and rebooted and everything came up just fine. I was please to find that all of my KDE mods were still in place. It seems that most upgrades end up resetting my desktop. So, I'm current, and loving it, now. tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From lewis at pcc.com Thu May 13 19:13:56 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:13:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Not recreating the wheel Message-ID: Hello all, Well now that the demo is complete. I have complete buy in. Oh they want this in place next month. Oh... So I figured I would write you all with a little map of before and after and you could indicate potential problems. Currently there are five locations. The main location has one router to the internet and one router to each of the four remote offices. Our product is located on the main server and is accessed via a telnet client. Hence the small bandwidth to the remote sites. The Main server is also a DHCP server and the routers to the remote locations support DHCP relay. So was are able to control the network routing and the like from the main server. This setup also allows us to route web browsing out through an internet connection at each location and limit traffic over the very slow ISDN lines. Here's an ASCII map. Main Office LAN INTERNET 10.0.0.0/24 WAN | | aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd | | | | +-- .1 -- Linux Server -- .1 ---+ Type of connection | (eth0) (eth1) | (STATIC IP, DHCP, PPP, etc.) | | | | +----- Type of Router | | | +-- ... -- Main Office PCs/Printers | Remote A LAN | 10.0.1.0/24 | | +-- .11 -- Pipeline --ISDN-- Pipeline ---- .1 --+ | (local-remote) (remote-local) | | +-- .10 Internet | | | Remote A PCs/Printers -- ... --+ | | | | Remote B LAN | 10.0.2.0/24 | | +-- .12 -- Pipeline --ISDN-- Pipeline ---- .1 --+ | (local-remote) (remote-local) | | +-- .10 Internet | | | i Remote B PCs/Printers -- ... --+ | | | | Remote C LAN | 10.0.3.0/24 | | +-- .13 -- Pipeline --ISDN-- Pipeline ---- .1 --+ | (local-remote) (remote-local) | | | | +-- .10 Internet | Remote C PCs/Printers -- ... --+ | | | | Remote D LAN | 10.0.4.0/24 | | +-- .14 -- Pipeline --ISDN-- Pipeline ---- .1 --+ | (local-remote) (remote-local) | | | | +-- .10 Internet Remote D PCs/Printers -- ... --+ | What I have proposed is a LTSP server at each location to server that local subnet. Each desktop will have a telnet session that routes back to the main location where are product lives right now. I am thinking of authenticating against the current server, and NFS mounting users home to the various LTSP servers. So telnet, NFS and authentication would happen over the ISDN lines. Web and the like still routed to the net locally at each site. Are there any major issues, can this be done. Without having to replace the ISDN connection. How can I best keep the remote terminal servers in sync with each other? Very few users work at more than one location. I plan on using squirrelmail and pointing it to the current imap server. The alternative to this windows and frankly windows is part of the problem. These folks spend more of their time dealing with anti-virus updates and windows updates than they do on their actual job. Once again, Thanks in advance. --------- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed Linux. From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu May 13 21:36:04 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:36:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Not recreating the wheel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40A3EA44.5020609@gwi.net> Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Hello all, > > Well now that the demo is complete. I have complete buy in. Oh they > want this in place next month. Oh... > > So I figured I would write you all with a little map of before and > after and you could indicate potential problems. > > Currently there are five locations. The main location has one router > to the internet and one router to each of the four remote offices. Our > product is located on the main server and is accessed via a telnet > client. Hence the small bandwidth to the remote sites. The Main server > is also a DHCP server and the routers to the remote locations support > DHCP relay. So was are able to control the network routing and the > like from the main server. This setup also allows us to route web > browsing out through an internet connection at each location and limit > traffic over the very slow ISDN lines. What is used to firewall the Internet connections at each remote site? I presume you are planning firewall rules on the Linux Server WAN connection at the Main Office site. But what will protect the remote locations? Also what is the bandwidth and proximity (in network hops) between the Internet connection for all your sites? If it is much better than the ISDN you might want to consider VPN between sites instead of ISDN. It is extremely unlikely that NFS mounting homes for users over ISDN, or even over Internet VPN will provide satisfactory performance. The rest should work fine. If you define an account and home directory on the system a person most often uses, perhaps remote desktop access for the person when at a different site would be the best approach. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu May 13 23:24:47 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:24:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] what sound cards y'all use in server? In-Reply-To: <000001c4390d$d36842c0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000001c4390d$d36842c0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40A403BF.6020004@cmosnetworks.com> Actually, I don't use one in my servers. I stick 'em in the clients, and the sound comes out there. I'm using the ol' ISA SoundBlaster 16 cards. Works great! --TP Huck wrote: > with all this talk about sound, I'm curious as to what works out of > the box > because this AC97 stuff looks like a pain in the keister! > > would be good to know what cards you just plug into the pci slot and kudzu > does the rest and all the admin would have to do is uncomment esd or > nasd in lts.conf =) > > --Huck From mross at esd165.org Thu May 13 23:36:59 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:36:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] what sound cards y'all use in server? In-Reply-To: <40A403BF.6020004@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000001c4390d$d36842c0$1803010a@paasda.org> <40A403BF.6020004@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40A4069B.4060909@esd165.org> As of yet, I haven't been able to get the sound to work on my test box, a Dell GXa. It's got a Crystal Sound chipset which uses the ad1868 driver. I had the driver load, and it seemed to detect fine... but still no sound. It's not a permisions problem either... Any ideas? --Matt Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Actually, I don't use one in my servers. I stick 'em in the clients, > and the sound comes out there. I'm using the ol' ISA SoundBlaster 16 > cards. Works great! > > --TP > > Huck wrote: > >> with all this talk about sound, I'm curious as to what works out of >> the box >> because this AC97 stuff looks like a pain in the keister! >> >> would be good to know what cards you just plug into the pci slot and >> kudzu >> does the rest and all the admin would have to do is uncomment esd or >> nasd in lts.conf =) >> >> --Huck > From support at 499pc.net Fri May 14 01:56:19 2004 From: support at 499pc.net (Charles Hale) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP w/2.6.6 kernel-NFS Daemon Failure In-Reply-To: <40A306FE.80808@erichv.com> Message-ID: <20040514015619.94555.qmail@web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com> Erich: Thanks for responding. I get the same response whether I run NFS from a terminal session or it's booting up. I can use either of the following commands ...]service nfs restart or ...]/etc/init.d/nfs restart and I get the results below. Starting NFS services [OK] Starting NFS quotas [OK] Starting NFS daemon [Failure] Starting NFS mountd [OK] I do not believe that this is a K12 problem. It's really a kernel problem. I woundered if someone on the forum who has upgraded there kernel to 2.6.5 or 2.6.6 may have experienced the same problem. K12 on the 2.4.20 kernel was very stable. I've already posed the earlier question to a kernel forum. Thanks again, Chuck --- Erich Vinson wrote: > I still have yet to play with the 2.6.6 kernel. But, > see my annotated > responses below: > > >Attempting to upgrade my 2.4.20 kernel to 2.6.6. > > > As a rule of thumb, I personally never upgrade my > kernels unless I > *really* need to. > > >Downloaded the new kernel installed and compiled > it. > > > Get any errors, warnings, or info messages during > compile? > > >However, on boot, the NFS daemon fails to start. > > > > > Do you have an error message? To reproduce any > errors, just type: > /etc/init.d/nfsd start > while logged in as root From julius at turtle.com Fri May 14 02:59:30 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board In-Reply-To: <40A3A040.4000700@maltzen.net> References: <40A3993D.1090407@maltzen.net><1084464837.6656.18.camel@moola.futureso urce.com> <40A3A040.4000700@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <3266.192.168.1.247.1084503570.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > So, are you suggesting that the developers at Compaq of the Remote Console > code > their java to MS's standards rather than Sun's? > > Les Mikesell wrote: >> On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 10:50, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >> >>>(I find it frustratingly ironic that I frequently have problems with >>> java apps >>>running through Mozilla on Linux but those same apps work fine through >>> IE.) >> >> >> That was Microsoft's intent in making their java incompatible with >> the real thing - hence the long legal battle with Sun. Now that >> Sun has been paid off and agreed to stop the fight it will probably >> get even worse. >> >> --- >> Les Mikesell perish the thought1 Les would never suggest anything like it!. it is just that they start testing with ie, and when it is time to test woth other browsers, the are other, more urgent things to do. julius From jim at rossberry.com Fri May 14 04:23:53 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 00:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Not recreating the wheel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 May 2004, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Are there any major issues, can this be done. Without having to replace > the ISDN connection. > > How can I best keep the remote terminal servers in sync with each > other? Very few users work at more than one location. > > I plan on using squirrelmail and pointing it to the current imap server. > Wow. That was quite a diagram! I would not do the nfs over the isdn lines. rsync will work fine to keep the boxes in sync for basic file stuff, either pushing from the master for pulling from the client end. For the people who move around, just set an rsync job for them that runs more often than they can get between the 2 closest buildings. It doesn't have to be fast, just faster than them. While folks like to talk about instantenous access to everything, in reality the cost to go from "you will never wait more than 15 minutes" to "instaneous" can be rather prohibitive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From erich at erichv.com Fri May 14 04:42:16 2004 From: erich at erichv.com (Erich Vinson) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:42:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need input from educators... In-Reply-To: <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> Message-ID: <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> anthony baldwin wrote: > I had quizzes, games and tests online, via this tool, that students > could take online. Of course, being an English teacher, I could only > use it for grammar and vocabulary. Reading assessment and papers > wouldn't work, of course, except that students could submit their work > in a drop box in a suitable file format (rtf). It was useful. Very > useful. A calendar/plan book on their would be useful too. I keep a > blog on my classroom site for communication with parents. That's a > useful tool. Thank you! That is great information. > I would like to be useful to you, if I may, in this project. I am no > developer (html is my only code, really) but I am a gimper/artist and > can create images, etc. Yes, please! I fancy myself a pretty decent coder, but I am *most* certainly not good with graphics. Any help, in any capacity, is *greatly* appreciated. > I have quite a few images, splash screens, color themes, etc., up on > KDElook.org (username: photodharma).I do all the graphics for my own > site, of course, school-library.net, and have a site full of my own > art, photodharma.com > Also, I have quite a few writing activities and articles I use for > reading assessments, etc., on my own classroom site > (http://sterling.school-library.net) that I have or will release under > creative commons, so that you could use them. I am always tring to > generate more stuff and have many plans for more curricula to be posted. This is great! I am very excited about this project and what it could become. Our schools need something like this, and I can see that K12LTSP is making some pretty decent headway. I LOVE the idea of open-source, you/me/anyone else can get involved and make things beter for everyone. Also, I have received several responses from others in the community that would love to use this, and at least one of those was a commercial vendor who subscribes to this list. I think a great next step would be to get a project on SourceForge, or via some project management on my website, or some other website. With the level of collaboration that will be required, I think it would be unfair to "hijack" this list. Any thoughts? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Fri May 14 07:17:23 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:17:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help to convince school Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A70@ILFGEXC> S-M-R-T :) Or God for that matter? :p -----Original Message----- From: Bill Kendrick [mailto:nbs at sonic.net] When people say things like "why would programmers give their stuff away for free?" I feel like asking "oh, so I suppose you dislike the Red Cross, too?" ;^) ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From a.nera at didasca.it Fri May 14 09:34:20 2004 From: a.nera at didasca.it (Angelo Nera) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:34:20 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040514111242.01dadce8@80.16.185.140> 1. I use VNC (vncserver and vncviewer) to view and interact with any K12LTSP server in my Lab. It works fine ! 2. I would like to be able to connect - via INTERNET - to a K12LTSP server located in another building in the Campus, view and interact with it. Can somebody help me ? Thank you. Angelo Nera --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIDASCA The First Italian Cyber Schools for Lifelong Learning Via Ragazzi del 99 n. 19 I - 23100 Sondrio SO (Italy) T: +39 0342 513351 F: +39 0342 514953 U: http://www.didasca.it From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Fri May 14 09:26:31 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:26:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A73@ILFGEXC> It's actually pretty easy as far as I know. Once the VNC server is up and running on the particular machine you want to access, just setup your router to forward any connection to a particular port on the external ip to the interal server machine. If the server you want to connect to _IS_ the router, then just open that port on the firewall for the external interface! Easy as 123 :) Daniel -----Original Message----- From: Angelo Nera [mailto:a.nera at didasca.it] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:34 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question 1. I use VNC (vncserver and vncviewer) to view and interact with any K12LTSP server in my Lab. It works fine ! 2. I would like to be able to connect - via INTERNET - to a K12LTSP server located in another building in the Campus, view and interact with it. Can somebody help me ? Thank you. Angelo Nera --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIDASCA The First Italian Cyber Schools for Lifelong Learning Via Ragazzi del 99 n. 19 I - 23100 Sondrio SO (Italy) T: +39 0342 513351 F: +39 0342 514953 U: http://www.didasca.it _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Fri May 14 09:27:17 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:27:17 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A74@ILFGEXC> Sorry, I forgot to add that Once the port is open .... ANYONE can connect to that ip address on that port. So if they happen to guess your password (or know it) then it's bye bye server :) -----Original Message----- From: Angelo Nera [mailto:a.nera at didasca.it] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:34 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question 1. I use VNC (vncserver and vncviewer) to view and interact with any K12LTSP server in my Lab. It works fine ! 2. I would like to be able to connect - via INTERNET - to a K12LTSP server located in another building in the Campus, view and interact with it. Can somebody help me ? Thank you. Angelo Nera --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIDASCA The First Italian Cyber Schools for Lifelong Learning Via Ragazzi del 99 n. 19 I - 23100 Sondrio SO (Italy) T: +39 0342 513351 F: +39 0342 514953 U: http://www.didasca.it _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. 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From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri May 14 12:08:23 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:08:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A74@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A74@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: Or if you are able to control your router via an outside web interface....you can open and close the port prior to using VNC...etc "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Sorry, I forgot to add that Once the port is open .... ANYONE can connect >to >that ip address on that port. > >So if they happen to guess your password (or know it) then it's bye bye >server :) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri May 14 12:05:56 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:05:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Not recreating the wheel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40A4B624.90207@gwi.net> Jim Wildman wrote: >On Thu, 13 May 2004, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > > >Wow. That was quite a diagram! > >I would not do the nfs over the isdn lines. rsync will work fine to >keep the boxes in sync for basic file stuff, either pushing from the >master for pulling from the client end. For the people who move around, >just set an rsync job for them that runs more often than they can get >between the 2 closest buildings. It doesn't have to be fast, just >faster than them. > >While folks like to talk about instantenous access to everything, in >reality the cost to go from "you will never wait more than 15 minutes" to >"instaneous" can be rather prohibitive. > > The tricky thing about using rsync, is that you need to make it work in the correct direction. When not logged in at an alternate location it needs to sync all other sites to the person's primary site. When logged in at an alternate location it needs to sync all other sites to that alternate copy of their home directory. And if you do it with cron jobs there is a problem with changes after logging off at an alternate site being sync'd the wrong way. So you need to manage some state indicator (a file touched at logon and cleared by cron job only if the person is no longer logged on) that will enable the cron job to do the right thing that one last time after logoff. I'm not saying it can't be done. In fact provided a time lag for travel between sites I'm sure it could be done. You just have to tackle these issues to make it work right. By the way, what will remain problematic in the rsync scenario is if someone actually does log on remotely to a system. The worst case is when they simultaneously log on to more than one system. What should the rsync cron jobs do then and how will they detect that condition to accomodate it? Perhaps you need to tell people "don't log on to more than one server at a time". -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri May 14 12:49:41 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:49:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A74@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A74@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <40A4C065.6080708@gwi.net> daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >Sorry, I forgot to add that Once the port is open .... ANYONE can connect to >that ip address on that port. > >So if they happen to guess your password (or know it) then it's bye bye >server :) > > My recommended best practice would be to either: 1) Tunnel your vnc connection(s) over ssh. The ssh can be configured easily to allow only users in a specific group, and also easily configured to permit only public/private key based authentication so you can reliably control who can use the connection by deploying your own public key there. 2) Configure network-to-network or host-to-host ipsec VPN to protect the vnc and other communication in transit. This can be done very easily if you have systems running a 2.6 kernel. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Fri May 14 12:40:20 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:40:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A78@ILFGEXC> From: Christopher K. Johnson [mailto:ckjohnson at gwi.net] > My recommended best practice would be to either: > 1) Tunnel your vnc connection(s) over ssh. The ssh can be configured > easily to allow only users in a specific group, and also easily > configured to permit only public/private key based authentication so you > can reliably control who can use the connection by deploying your own > public key there. > 2) Configure network-to-network or host-to-host ipsec VPN to protect the > vnc and other communication in transit. This can be done very easily if > you have systems running a 2.6 kernel. 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Skahan) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:06:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client question In-Reply-To: <40A2BB6B.7070109@cfl.rr.com> References: <1084276556.6262.31.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> <40A106E4.6090705@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <40A2BB6B.7070109@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1084540010.20927.5.camel@fedora> Is there a major reason to use the $34 linksys NIC from disklessworkstations over the $20 aopen? -Brian On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 20:03 -0400, Brian Chase wrote: > They should make great LTSP clients, just replace the NIC's with one's > that have the etherboot roms already on them so they'll boot straight > into LTSP and you want have to make special floppies for each machine (a > maintenance nightmare,IMHO). Here's the link to the one's I'd recommend: > > http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/100003.html?id=wjVnQp65 > > > > Richard K. 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Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own dilusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 14 13:52:53 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:52:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Backups Message-ID: <00c401c439ba$c42dc250$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I am finally starting to mess with backing up my new servers. What I am doing is setting up a backup server for all servers to send to. I have exported an NFS of /backup to the network for the other servers to backup to. I have issued a "mount xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/backup mnt/backup" to mount the NFS Export from the remote server on all other servers. I am using the Webmin module for creating backups and have created nightly schedules for each server to do a full backup (at staggered times to not flood the backup server). I plan on adding the mount of the NFS to /etc/fstab to mount the filesystem automatically on startup. Now for the questions. 1. How do I create these as full backups every 7 days but incremental in the interim? I want to have daily backups for a 7 day period mostly for user stupidity and have them backup incrementally after the first time. I have set the backup option to 9 instead of 0 (Full Backup) and I still get errors saying there is no previous backup so it defaults to a full. What is the best way to do this? 2. Is this the easiest way to restore a crashed system? I am hoping to boot from a floppy or CD and just mount the NFS and run some simple restore command. If so what commands would need to be issued. I plan on crashing a test server and restoring it to prove that this works. 3. I am sure I can find this from another post in the archive, I saw it a while ago, but is there a list of files necessary to restore when moving to a new system? If my server dies completely and has no hope of coming to life any time soon, and I find a new box and load WBEL on it, I need to restore /home and a handfull of other files to load the users and modules and say the appletalk and samba conf's. Is there good area of reference to know what to restore for each service, or is that where experience comes in? 4. Security, I want to be sure some other linux user with a handfull of knowledge can't just jump on the network and start restoring files, how is this controlled. 5. Windows (forgive the profanity), are Windows systems able to mount NFS and backup to them as well? This would be handy for some of our Windows servers to use that are not on the local network and thus have to access to Samba. 6. I am sure someone has a better way to do this, I am open to suggestions (as long as it doesn?t involve an overpriced and ancient technology like tapes). Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 From jim at rossberry.com Fri May 14 13:56:52 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Not recreating the wheel In-Reply-To: <40A4B624.90207@gwi.net> References: <40A4B624.90207@gwi.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 May 2004, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > > > The tricky thing about using rsync, is that you need to make it work in > the correct direction. When not logged in at an alternate location it > needs to sync all other sites to the person's primary site. When logged > in at an alternate location it needs to sync all other sites to that > alternate copy of their home directory. And if you do it with cron jobs > there is a problem with changes after logging off at an alternate site > being sync'd the wrong way. So you need to manage some state > indicator (a file touched at logon and cleared by cron job only if the > person is no longer logged on) that will enable the cron job to do the > right thing that one last time after logoff. > > By the way, what will remain problematic in the rsync scenario is if > someone actually does log on remotely to a system. The worst case is > when they simultaneously log on to more than one system. What should > the rsync cron jobs do then and how will they detect that condition to > accomodate it? Perhaps you need to tell people "don't log on to more > than one server at a time". > > Good points. Login and logout scripts can be useful too. Might check out Unison as well. http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From goblin at scooter.co.nz Fri May 14 14:12:31 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (MrGoblin) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 02:12:31 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Backups In-Reply-To: <00c401c439ba$c42dc250$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00c401c439ba$c42dc250$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40A4D3CF.9050102@scooter.co.nz> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > 6. I am sure someone has a better way to do this, I am open to > suggestions (as long as it doesn?t involve an overpriced and ancient > technology like tapes). http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ Should get you headed in the right direction. mRgOBLIN From csitech at davisny.edu Fri May 14 14:55:36 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park, ADCS) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:55:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need input from educators... In-Reply-To: <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> Message-ID: <1084546535.16914.2.camel@localhost> Sounds like an interesting idea. We're looking into using Moodle (www.moodle.org) at the college that I work for...nevertheless, still sounds like a cool idea. I'm sure that I could do some beta testing for you or contribute some ideas (not much of a coder I'm afraid, only very basic ASP and PHP, and some Perl). Let me know. -Calvin On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 00:42, Erich Vinson wrote: > anthony baldwin wrote: > > I had quizzes, games and tests online, via this tool, that students > > could take online. Of course, being an English teacher, I could > > only use it for grammar and vocabulary. Reading assessment and > > papers wouldn't work, of course, except that students could submit > > their work in a drop box in a suitable file format (rtf). It was > > useful. Very useful. A calendar/plan book on their would be useful > > too. I keep a blog on my classroom site for communication with > > parents. That's a useful tool. > Thank you! That is great information. > > I would like to be useful to you, if I may, in this project. I am > > no developer (html is my only code, really) but I am a gimper/artist > > and can create images, etc. > Yes, please! I fancy myself a pretty decent coder, but I am *most* > certainly not good with graphics. Any help, in any capacity, is > *greatly* appreciated. > > I have quite a few images, splash screens, color themes, etc., up on > > KDElook.org (username: photodharma).I do all the graphics for my own > > site, of course, school-library.net, and have a site full of my own > > art, photodharma.com > > Also, I have quite a few writing activities and articles I use for > > reading assessments, etc., on my own classroom site > > (http://sterling.school-library.net) that I have or will release > > under creative commons, so that you could use them. I am always > > tring to generate more stuff and have many plans for more curricula > > to be posted. > This is great! I am very excited about this project and what it could > become. Our schools need something like this, and I can see that > K12LTSP is making some pretty decent headway. I LOVE the idea of > open-source, you/me/anyone else can get involved and make things beter > for everyone. > > Also, I have received several responses from others in the community > that would love to use this, and at least one of those was a > commercial vendor who subscribes to this list. I think a great next > step would be to get a project on SourceForge, or via some project > management on my website, or some other website. With the level of > collaboration that will be required, I think it would be unfair to > "hijack" this list. Any thoughts? > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From csitech at davisny.edu Fri May 14 15:03:16 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park, ADCS) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:03:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Backups In-Reply-To: <00c401c439ba$c42dc250$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00c401c439ba$c42dc250$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1084546996.16914.6.camel@localhost> Something you might also look into: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ I haven't had a chance to play with it much, but at first glance it appears to be exactly what we're looking for here to do backups. It is even supposed to do M$ Windows machines. Over the summer we're going to be testing it here...but it might be worth it to check out. Just a thought. -Calvin On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 09:52, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am finally starting to mess with backing up my new servers. What I am > doing is setting up a backup server for all servers to send to. I have > exported an NFS of /backup to the network for the other servers to > backup to. I have issued a "mount xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/backup mnt/backup" > to mount the NFS Export from the remote server on all other servers. I > am using the Webmin module for creating backups and have created nightly > schedules for each server to do a full backup (at staggered times to not > flood the backup server). I plan on adding the mount of the NFS to > /etc/fstab to mount the filesystem automatically on startup. > > Now for the questions. > > 1. How do I create these as full backups every 7 days but incremental in > the interim? I want to have daily backups for a 7 day period mostly for > user stupidity and have them backup incrementally after the first time. > I have set the backup option to 9 instead of 0 (Full Backup) and I still > get errors saying there is no previous backup so it defaults to a full. > What is the best way to do this? > > 2. Is this the easiest way to restore a crashed system? I am hoping to > boot from a floppy or CD and just mount the NFS and run some simple > restore command. If so what commands would need to be issued. I plan > on crashing a test server and restoring it to prove that this works. > > 3. I am sure I can find this from another post in the archive, I saw it > a while ago, but is there a list of files necessary to restore when > moving to a new system? If my server dies completely and has no hope of > coming to life any time soon, and I find a new box and load WBEL on it, > I need to restore /home and a handfull of other files to load the users > and modules and say the appletalk and samba conf's. Is there good area > of reference to know what to restore for each service, or is that where > experience comes in? > > 4. Security, I want to be sure some other linux user with a handfull of > knowledge can't just jump on the network and start restoring files, how > is this controlled. > > 5. Windows (forgive the profanity), are Windows systems able to mount > NFS and backup to them as well? This would be handy for some of our > Windows servers to use that are not on the local network and thus have > to access to Samba. > > 6. I am sure someone has a better way to do this, I am open to > suggestions (as long as it doesn?t involve an overpriced and ancient > technology like tapes). > > Thanks > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 14 15:43:03 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:43:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Stupid pod2man program Message-ID: <00e201c439ca$288eca00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I am trying to build SpamAssassin and no matter how I try to do it I get an annoying error of "cannot find your pod2man" program. I have searched for a solution to this on Google and only manage to find others who are frustrated. As far as I can tell this is in my PATH but it still can't find it. I have tried throwing links all over to it and am just ticked at this point. This shouldn't be so damn difficult. But until it can find it, I cannot continue with the make install. Help --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Fri May 14 15:53:47 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (xyz xyz) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Student Printing In-Reply-To: <20040514042408.0B77C7425F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040514155347.94133.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> Students have been printing large volumes of documents and this is causing a problem from a cost perspective. How do I go about limiting printing for individual users?? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ From mross at esd165.org Fri May 14 16:02:24 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:02:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Watching the User's web traffic... Message-ID: <40A4ED90.20509@esd165.org> Here's a question for you: We have a fancy HTTP filter for the web. It informs us when somebody somewhere is trying to access sites which are not allowed. Works great, except with our K12LTSP testbed: We can't tell which host is the one trying to reach blocked sites because they're all browsing from the K12LSTP server technically. I checked to see if a log file for iptables was available to cross-reference with, and it doesn't look like there is one. Any suggestions to this problem? --Matt From webmaster at vol.org Fri May 14 16:18:35 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:18:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Watching the User's web traffic... In-Reply-To: <40A4ED90.20509@esd165.org> References: <40A4ED90.20509@esd165.org> Message-ID: <1084551515.29622.47.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 11:02, Matthew Ross wrote: > We have a fancy HTTP filter for the web. It informs us when somebody > somewhere is trying to access sites which are not allowed. Works great, > except with our K12LTSP testbed: We can't tell which host is the one > trying to reach blocked sites because they're all browsing from the > K12LSTP server technically. I have a cache/filter box running Squid, squidGuard and DansGuardian. My LTSP server is running identd. I do the following to monitor web traffic: tail -f /var/log/dansguardian/access.log I also wrote a Perl script to monitor Google searches. The only problem I've run into is that identd on the LTSP box was hogging the CPU when there was lots of surfing happening at once. However, this problem *seems* to not be as bad since I moved the cache/filter server to a much more powerful machine. Which filter are you using? -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From faengoy at yahoo.com Fri May 14 16:35:46 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Print Quotas In-Reply-To: <20040514160032.40F98747CB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040514163546.42241.qmail@web20723.mail.yahoo.com> Try this: http://www.librelogiciel.com/software/PyKota/action_Presentation > Students have been printing large volumes of > documents > and this is causing a problem from a cost > perspective. > How do I go about limiting printing for individual > users?? ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ From lewis at pcc.com Fri May 14 16:37:01 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:37:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Not recreating the Wheel PART 2 Message-ID: I forgot to ask a few questions the first time around. Suggestions for SPAM and Anti-Virus Also comments on the proposed server. Server IBM xSeries 205 (8480-52X) 1x P4 2.8GHz(512KB) 256MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM 36.4GB 10000 rpm SCSI Ultra160 SCSI 48X CD-ROM Ethernet ATI Rage XL PCI 4MB 12/24G dds4 SCSI Tape Drive This is a standard machine for us. I expect the memory will be increased for sure. Thanks Lewis ---------- Lewis Holcroft System Administrator Physician's Computer Company 1 Main Street, Suite 7 Winooski, VT 05404 www.pcc.com From mross at esd165.org Fri May 14 17:03:27 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:03:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Watching the User's web traffic... In-Reply-To: <1084551515.29622.47.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <40A4ED90.20509@esd165.org> <1084551515.29622.47.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <40A4FBDF.9060802@esd165.org> george kocke wrote: >LTSP server is running identd. I do the following to monitor web >traffic: > >tail -f /var/log/dansguardian/access.log > >I also wrote a Perl script to monitor Google searches. > >The only problem I've run into is that identd on the LTSP box was >hogging the CPU when there was lots of surfing happening at once. >However, this problem *seems* to not be as bad since I moved the >cache/filter server to a much more powerful machine. > >Which filter are you using? > > Ah, why didn't I think of identd? I should have known that. Sm:)e. We are using the content filtering provided by our SonicWall firewall. It's very inexpensive (compared to most other hardware solutions) and has been very dependable. Thanks to my squid proxy and a little squidguard hack I picked up from this list, all google traffic is forced into safemode as well. Thanks for the hint. --Matt From jritchie at bible.edu Fri May 14 17:21:25 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:21:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro 4000 Wiki Page Message-ID: <1084555285.8054.24.camel@penguin> I'm planning on using about 12 Compaq Deskpro 4000 machines as clients for an install that I'm doing in a small local Christian school. I tried these machines a few years ago, but they didn't have etherboot files for them so I ended up install spare NE2000 NICs this time around I see that the tlan:netflex3 chips have files. Anyway, I created a wiki page upon which I plan to document my findings on making these things work since I've notice some others have tried and success has been mixed. Any one that has them working is welcome to head over to http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AClinets%3ACompaqDeskpro and put in your 2 cents or more. I'm of the opinion that they would make great terminals. Thanks, Josiah From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 14 17:22:17 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:22:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Stupid pod2man program In-Reply-To: <00e201c439ca$288eca00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <00f101c439d8$04cdc590$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > I am trying to build SpamAssassin and no matter how I try to > do it I get an annoying error of "cannot find your pod2man" > program. I have searched for a solution to this on Google > and only manage to find others who are frustrated. As far as > I can tell this is in my PATH but it still can't find it. I > have tried throwing links all over to it and am just ticked > at this point. This shouldn't be so damn difficult. But > until it can find it, I cannot continue with the make install. I think I finally found the problem. There is a bug with perl and issuing the command "export LANG=en_US" seems to be a workaround. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 From tlegge at rogers.com Fri May 14 18:32:48 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:32:48 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro 4000 Wiki Page Message-ID: <20040514183248.JCWA456352.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> > these machines a few years ago, but they didn't have etherboot files for > them so I ended up install spare NE2000 NICs this time around I see that > the tlan:netflex3 chips have files. HI I wrote the tlan driver for etherboot awhile back. If you have issues be sure to report them to the etherboot-users list. Good luck. Tim From les at futuresource.com Fri May 14 18:43:41 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:43:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Stupid pod2man program In-Reply-To: <00f101c439d8$04cdc590$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00f101c439d8$04cdc590$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1084560221.31516.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 12:22, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I think I finally found the problem. There is a bug with perl and > issuing the command "export LANG=en_US" seems to be a workaround. You can make that the default if you change the LANG= line in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. Some of the UTF8 bugs in perl may also be fixed by updating to 5.8.3 (current fedora core 1 if you do a yum or apt-get update). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri May 14 18:53:09 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:53:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] what sound cards y'all use in server? In-Reply-To: <40A403BF.6020004@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <004101c439e4$b3283560$1803010a@paasda.org> So in effect you are saying the server does not require a sound card in order to "pipe" sound out to the clients? --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:25 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] what sound cards y'all use in server? Actually, I don't use one in my servers. I stick 'em in the clients, and the sound comes out there. I'm using the ol' ISA SoundBlaster 16 cards. Works great! --TP Huck wrote: > with all this talk about sound, I'm curious as to what works out of > the box > because this AC97 stuff looks like a pain in the keister! > > would be good to know what cards you just plug into the pci slot and > kudzu does the rest and all the admin would have to do is uncomment > esd or nasd in lts.conf =) > > --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From luis.montes at cox.net Fri May 14 02:02:53 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:02:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board Message-ID: <20040514020254.PFAM22519.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> What type of errors are you getting in the java console? Are there any classnotfound execptions? According to their rather old documentation this should work on IE or netscape. Netscape didn't use the MS 1.1.4 jvm. You may want to try this on konqueror with different JVMs, and possibly also play around with browser identification if the page loading the applet is trying to do something clever with javascript like determining whether to use standard applet tags versus the java plugin. BTW, I know its totally unsupported right now, and kind of off-topic, but I got the oracle financial apps to run on linux using konqueror the sun 1.4 jvm, and switching the browser identification to MAC. Last piece of the puzzle worked out, i'm almost 100% linux now :) Luis > > From: Petre Scheie > Date: 2004/05/13 Thu AM 11:50:21 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board > > I have an off-topic question: Is anyone using Compaqs with Remote Insight > Lights-Out boards? And more to the point, if so, have you got Mozilla running > the java app to bring up the remote console? > > (I find it frustratingly ironic that I frequently have problems with java apps > running through Mozilla on Linux but those same apps work fine through IE.) > > Petre > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Fri May 14 19:11:21 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client question In-Reply-To: <1084540010.20927.5.camel@fedora> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 May 2004, Brian P. Skahan wrote: > Is there a major reason to use the $34 linksys NIC from > disklessworkstations over the $20 aopen? Nope. the Aopen card is rtl8139 based, the Linksys is tulip based. Both chipsets are popular, both work well for thin clients. We can offer the Aopen at such a low price, because we get them directly from Aopen, with no middle-men. So, we can pass the savings on to the customer. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > -Brian > > On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 20:03 -0400, Brian Chase wrote: > > They should make great LTSP clients, just replace the NIC's with one's > > that have the etherboot roms already on them so they'll boot straight > > into LTSP and you want have to make special floppies for each machine (a > > maintenance nightmare,IMHO). Here's the link to the one's I'd recommend: > > > > http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/100003.html?id=wjVnQp65 > > > > > > > > Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > > > > > Justin Paulsen wrote: > > > > > >> I have a lab full of Gateway 2000 p5-133 machines with 32 MB ram, Sound > > >> Blaster 16 sound cards, 10/100 nics and old ati video cards. > > >> > > >> The memory can't be upgraded, how would these work for LTSP? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > > > > > > > > They should be excellent! Wanna give any away? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > From dloomis at cox-internet.com Fri May 14 19:26:42 2004 From: dloomis at cox-internet.com (dloomis at cox-internet.com) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:26:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Backup References: <20040514150221.2E4B5739B4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001001c439e9$63ccb5e0$0a01a8c0@TOSHIBA> I use something like Mike Rubel's method to do backups of all our office pcs. It works with Windows and Linux boxes. I just mount the office pc on a /home directory of the same name on the backup host using smbmount, do an rsync of their My Documents and other important directories and then create an iso of their backed up directories using mkisofs on the backup host. All of the above is run by scripts each night as a cron job. The iso files are created each day of the week, i.e., ws1.mon, ws1.tue, ws1.wed, etc. After seven days mkisofs overwrites the oldest file. That way I have complete backups for each day for the last 7 days. Works great. I only make hardcopies of the latest iso file about once a week (thur or fri) for offsite storage. Dan From les at futuresource.com Fri May 14 19:27:17 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:27:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Not recreating the wheel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084562837.31516.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 14:13, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Currently there are five locations. The main location has one router to > the internet and one router to each of the four remote offices. Our > product is located on the main server and is accessed via a telnet > client. Hence the small bandwidth to the remote sites. The Main server > is also a DHCP server and the routers to the remote locations support > DHCP relay. So was are able to control the network routing and the like > from the main server. This setup also allows us to route web browsing > out through an internet connection at each location and limit traffic > over the very slow ISDN lines. I would dual-NIC the servers so only the 'outside' addresses need to deal with routing. Then I'd put in some kind of VPN to link the sites over the faster internet connections, possibly keeping the ISDN as a backup. This can be done in software on the servers or with external VPN routers. You won't like NFS mounting the home directories. I'd have local home directories and teach people how to use ftp to pull files from remote sites if they need them (this is painless in nautilus). It's much better to have a problem with slow or unreliable file copies that you can try later than to have done a lot of work in an application and then have trouble saving directly over NFS. Everything else should just work. People may like evolution better than web mail but either should work against an imap server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri May 14 19:32:27 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:32:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Not recreating the Wheel PART 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084563146.31516.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 11:37, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > I forgot to ask a few questions the first time around. > > Suggestions for SPAM and Anti-Virus Clam anti-virus, SpamAssassin for spam. How you run them will depend on your mail transport choice. If you use sendmail, use MimeDefang as the wrapper interface for the content scanning. Other things are available for different mailers but I haven't used them. > Also comments on the proposed server. I don't think you mentioned the number of terminals at each location. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri May 14 19:41:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:41:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Backups In-Reply-To: <40A4D3CF.9050102@scooter.co.nz> References: <00c401c439ba$c42dc250$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40A4D3CF.9050102@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <1084563665.31516.62.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 09:12, MrGoblin wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > 6. I am sure someone has a better way to do this, I am open to > > suggestions (as long as it doesn?t involve an overpriced and ancient > > technology like tapes). > > http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ > > Should get you headed in the right direction. Or my favorite, BackupPC: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ It compresses files and links duplicates to let you keep about ten times as much online as you could otherwise and has a nice web interface for browsing and restores. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri May 14 19:54:45 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:54:45 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Backups Message-ID: <051420041954.8299.40A524050009BD4A0000206B22007623029C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I use rsync snapshots. Check out http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ I use a variation of this. It allows me to have all backups online for all users. I nfs-mount (read only) the backup directory from the backup server to the same system that has /home. The users can get their own data back, but since permissions are preserved, can't access anything they shouldn't. It has worked very well all year. I also rsync data from my Windows server. I then dump these to tape (CD-RW) as well from the backup server. I might move to backuppc though, just haven't seen the total need for it yet. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > Something you might also look into: > > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ > > I haven't had a chance to play with it much, but at first glance it > appears to be exactly what we're looking for here to do backups. It is > even supposed to do M$ Windows machines. Over the summer we're going to > be testing it here...but it might be worth it to check out. Just a > thought. > > -Calvin > > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 09:52, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I am finally starting to mess with backing up my new servers. What I am > > doing is setting up a backup server for all servers to send to. I have > > exported an NFS of /backup to the network for the other servers to > > backup to. I have issued a "mount xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/backup mnt/backup" > > to mount the NFS Export from the remote server on all other servers. I > > am using the Webmin module for creating backups and have created nightly > > schedules for each server to do a full backup (at staggered times to not > > flood the backup server). I plan on adding the mount of the NFS to > > /etc/fstab to mount the filesystem automatically on startup. > > > > Now for the questions. > > > > 1. How do I create these as full backups every 7 days but incremental in > > the interim? I want to have daily backups for a 7 day period mostly for > > user stupidity and have them backup incrementally after the first time. > > I have set the backup option to 9 instead of 0 (Full Backup) and I still > > get errors saying there is no previous backup so it defaults to a full. > > What is the best way to do this? > > > > 2. Is this the easiest way to restore a crashed system? I am hoping to > > boot from a floppy or CD and just mount the NFS and run some simple > > restore command. If so what commands would need to be issued. I plan > > on crashing a test server and restoring it to prove that this works. > > > > 3. I am sure I can find this from another post in the archive, I saw it > > a while ago, but is there a list of files necessary to restore when > > moving to a new system? If my server dies completely and has no hope of > > coming to life any time soon, and I find a new box and load WBEL on it, > > I need to restore /home and a handfull of other files to load the users > > and modules and say the appletalk and samba conf's. Is there good area > > of reference to know what to restore for each service, or is that where > > experience comes in? > > > > 4. Security, I want to be sure some other linux user with a handfull of > > knowledge can't just jump on the network and start restoring files, how > > is this controlled. > > > > 5. Windows (forgive the profanity), are Windows systems able to mount > > NFS and backup to them as well? This would be handy for some of our > > Windows servers to use that are not on the local network and thus have > > to access to Samba. > > > > 6. I am sure someone has a better way to do this, I am open to > > suggestions (as long as it doesn?t involve an overpriced and ancient > > technology like tapes). > > > > Thanks > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > Calvin Park > Associate Director of Computer Services > Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry > > web: www.davisny.edu > email: csitech at davisny.edu > phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 14 20:18:21 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:18:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Stupid pod2man program In-Reply-To: <1084560221.31516.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <010601c439f0$9e3145a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks, I'll make the change. > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 1:44 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Stupid pod2man program > > > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 12:22, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > I think I finally found the problem. There is a bug with perl and > > issuing the command "export LANG=en_US" seems to be a workaround. > > You can make that the default if you change the LANG= line > in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. Some of the UTF8 bugs in perl > may also be fixed by updating to 5.8.3 (current fedora core 1 > if you do a yum or apt-get update). > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 14 20:23:11 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:23:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Backups In-Reply-To: <051420041954.8299.40A524050009BD4A0000206B22007623029C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <010701c439f1$49c9f3d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > I use rsync snapshots. Check out > http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ I use a > variation of this. > [SNIP] > > Something you might also look into: > > > > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ > > Thanks guys. I have checked out both and am sure I can do what I need now. The ability to mount NFS over TCP/IP is an awesome tool with backups to IDE drives. I think backuppc may end up being an easier tool for the other admins around here. I also really like the gui for browsing backups for files to restore. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 5/10/2004 From jritchie at bible.edu Fri May 14 20:32:54 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:32:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro 4000 Wiki Page In-Reply-To: <20040514183248.JCWA456352.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> References: <20040514183248.JCWA456352.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: <1084566774.8062.253.camel@penguin> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 14:32, Timothy Legge wrote: > > these machines a few years ago, but they didn't have etherboot files for > > them so I ended up install spare NE2000 NICs this time around I see that > > the tlan:netflex3 chips have files. > > I wrote the tlan driver for etherboot awhile back. If you have issues be sure to report them to the etherboot-users list. Thank you, I will. Thanks for writing them. I was quite disappointed to find them missing previously and quite excited to find them this time around. JSR/ From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 14 20:58:08 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:58:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board In-Reply-To: <20040514020254.PFAM22519.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20040514020254.PFAM22519.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <40A532E0.4040809@maltzen.net> The problem appears to be with Moz loading the java at startup. I've got the symlink to the java in my ~/.mozilla/plugins, but when I startup Moz, I get this: LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /opt/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so [/opt/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so: undefined symbol: _ZdlPv] I had installed the java from the rpm file that Sun provides. I also tried the plain tarball file, and got the same error, which makes me think the problem may be with Moz not java. I'm running Moz 1.6b where b stands for beta, and I think I'll try the later 1.6 release. I've also downloaded the blackdown java to see if that makes a difference (haven't installed it yet, though). Petre luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > What type of errors are you getting in the java console? > Are there any classnotfound execptions? > > According to their rather old documentation this should work on IE or netscape. > Netscape didn't use the MS 1.1.4 jvm. > > You may want to try this on konqueror with different JVMs, and possibly also play around with browser identification if the page loading the applet is trying to do something clever with javascript like determining whether to use standard applet tags versus the java plugin. > > > BTW, I know its totally unsupported right now, and kind of off-topic, but I got the oracle financial apps to run on linux using konqueror the sun 1.4 jvm, and switching the browser identification to MAC. > Last piece of the puzzle worked out, i'm almost 100% linux now :) > > Luis > > > >>From: Petre Scheie >>Date: 2004/05/13 Thu AM 11:50:21 EDT >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board >> >>I have an off-topic question: Is anyone using Compaqs with Remote Insight >>Lights-Out boards? And more to the point, if so, have you got Mozilla running >>the java app to bring up the remote console? >> >>(I find it frustratingly ironic that I frequently have problems with java apps >>running through Mozilla on Linux but those same apps work fine through IE.) >> >>Petre >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri May 14 21:14:38 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:14:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] what sound cards y'all use in server? In-Reply-To: <004101c439e4$b3283560$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <004101c439e4$b3283560$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40A536BE.9020501@netscape.net> Hi, So if I understand all you need to do is activate sound in lts.conf & voila the clients will have sound???? norbert dhuckaby at paasda.org wrote: >So in effect you are saying the server does not require a sound card in >order to "pipe" sound out to the clients? > >--Huck > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:25 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] what sound cards y'all use in server? > > >Actually, I don't use one in my servers. I stick 'em in the clients, >and the sound comes out there. I'm using the ol' ISA SoundBlaster 16 >cards. 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URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri May 14 21:38:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:38:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Raid 0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084570716.2176.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 16:45, Rick O'Dell wrote: > I'm trying to set up a raid, using MCI motherboard with a > onboard ATA 133 controller, two 10 gig hard drives. I obviously don't > have a clue what I'm doing, but I would like to stripe these drives. I > have done this with windows but I'm having trouble with LTSP 4.01. I > don't know how to partition the HD's correctly.... Could someone > please walk me through the setup.... > Thanks, Rick. If you are installing on them there are a couple of ways you can do it in the diskdruid GUI. I've only done RAID1 but the approach should be the same. Create the per-disk partitions you want first, setting the type as raid, then select them and create the raid set with the mount point, filesystem type, and raid level. If you have a working system and are adding new drives, fdisk the partitions, setting the type as FD (raid autodetect), then create the raid with 'mdmadm --create ...'. There are some examples shown in 'man mdadm' (yum install mdadm if you don't have it). Then make the filesystem on the md device you just created and mount it. Be sure you understand that you multiply the chance of disk failure by the number of drives in a raid0... --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri May 14 21:42:37 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:42:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> Message-ID: <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> I was just thinking that power had gone out at my house today while I was gone, but, hmmm....That couldn't be it. Anyway, I came home and my machine, which was running a KDE Screensaver when I left, was showing a blank screen, except for the letters "LI" in the top left corner. I power cycled and it wouldn't boot. It came up to the same blank screen with the LI. Maybe there was a power surge/hiccough. I got out the boot floppy again and it came up fine (except that, somehow the printer had been turned off so Kudzu came up. The printer being off made me think the power had gone out, but, if that were the case, the machine would simply be off, too, right?) I have no idea what happened. All the same, why is my machine only booting with the floppy? Do I need to do something to Lilo? How would I go about diagnosing such a problem? I thought there was a gui lilo config tool, but I can't find it. Is my MBR hosed or something? When I did the upgrade yesterday, from 3.1.2 to 4.0.1, I chose to update Lilo during the install. Everything is running fine, once I get her back up, so my work is not presently hindered. Nonetheless, I am concerned, all the same. Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From les at futuresource.com Fri May 14 21:45:29 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:45:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board In-Reply-To: <40A532E0.4040809@maltzen.net> References: <20040514020254.PFAM22519.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <40A532E0.4040809@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1084571129.2176.71.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 15:58, Petre Scheie wrote: > The problem appears to be with Moz loading the java at startup. I've got the > symlink to the java in my ~/.mozilla/plugins, but when I startup Moz, I get this: > > LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library > /opt/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so > [/opt/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so: undefined > symbol: _ZdlPv] > > I had installed the java from the rpm file that Sun provides. I also tried the > plain tarball file, and got the same error, which makes me think the problem may > be with Moz not java. I'm running Moz 1.6b where b stands for beta, and I think > I'll try the later 1.6 release. I've also downloaded the blackdown java to see > if that makes a difference (haven't installed it yet, though). Did you try the 'GetJAVA' link that you find in root's 'install additional software' folder? It should load the right version of the jre and plugin for you. See /usr/sbin/get.java for the details. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri May 14 21:54:53 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:54:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> Message-ID: <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 16:42, anthony baldwin wrote: > All the same, why is my machine only booting with the floppy? > Do I need to do something to Lilo? How would I go about diagnosing such > a problem? I thought there was a gui lilo config tool, but I can't find > it. Is my MBR hosed or something? > When I did the upgrade yesterday, from 3.1.2 to 4.0.1, I chose to update > Lilo during the install. > Run /sbin/lilo as root. The update process should have done that but maybe there was an error message hidden by the GUI. Every time you change the kernel, initial ramdisk, or lilo.conf you must run /sbin/lilo again so the change will work at boot-time. Grub uses a more complicated boot process that is able to read its own configuration during stages of the boot process so it doesn't need this extra step. If you hadn't had the boot floppy you could still recover by using the install cd and entering 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt, then following the instructions to 'chroot /mnt/sysinstall' later. That would have you running with your drives mounted so the /sbin/lilo would work. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri May 14 22:02:24 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:02:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40A541F0.80802@snet.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 16:42, anthony baldwin wrote: > > Run /sbin/lilo as root. The update process should have done that > but maybe there was an error message hidden by the GUI. > > Every time you change the kernel, initial ramdisk, or lilo.conf > you must run /sbin/lilo again so the change will work at boot-time. > Grub uses a more complicated boot process that is able to read > its own configuration during stages of the boot process so it > doesn't need this extra step. If you hadn't had the boot floppy > you could still recover by using the install cd and entering > 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt, then following the instructions > to 'chroot /mnt/sysinstall' later. That would have you running > with your drives mounted so the /sbin/lilo would work. Thanks for the quick reply. Maybe I should try the cd rescue? [root at localhost tony]# /sbin/lilo Fatal: open /boot/message: No such file or directory [root at localhost tony]# -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri May 14 22:19:27 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:19:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40A545EF.9070205@snet.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 16:42, anthony baldwin wrote: > > >>All the same, why is my machine only booting with the floppy? >>Do I need to do something to Lilo? How would I go about diagnosing such >>a problem? I thought there was a gui lilo config tool, but I can't find >>it. Is my MBR hosed or something? >>When I did the upgrade yesterday, from 3.1.2 to 4.0.1, I chose to update >>Lilo during the install. >> > > > Run /sbin/lilo as root. The update process should have done that > but maybe there was an error message hidden by the GUI. > I just checked Kdiskfree to take a look at my partition table (make sure that /dev/hda1 was the /boot), and I've noticed that, in addition to whatever is wrong with the MBR or boot loader, my swap partition seems to have completely disappeared. I tried to install grub, but apparently I am not translating the man pages correctly. I'm not sure how to recover my swap partition, either. This is all rather odd... -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From les at futuresource.com Fri May 14 22:35:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:35:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <40A541F0.80802@snet.net> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A541F0.80802@snet.net> Message-ID: <1084574136.2176.129.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 17:02, anthony baldwin wrote: > > If you hadn't had the boot floppy > > you could still recover by using the install cd and entering > > 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt, then following the instructions > > to 'chroot /mnt/sysinstall' later. That would have you running > > with your drives mounted so the /sbin/lilo would work. > > Thanks for the quick reply. > Maybe I should try the cd rescue? No, it doesn't fix anything, it just boots you so you run completely from the CD and if it can find an installation on the hard disk it tries to mount it so you can chroot there. Then commands you execute work more or less like they would if you had booted normally. You are still pretty much on your own to figure out the right commands. > [root at localhost tony]# /sbin/lilo > Fatal: open /boot/message: No such file or directory > [root at localhost tony]# Do you have a /boot partition? Is there a file named message? I think this is supposed to be a graphic but it should be optional. If that is all that is wrong, you can remove the 'message=/boot/message' line from /etc/lilo.conf and try to run /sbin/lilo again. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri May 14 22:41:26 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:41:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <40A545EF.9070205@snet.net> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A545EF.9070205@snet.net> Message-ID: <1084574486.2176.136.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 17:19, anthony baldwin wrote: > I just checked Kdiskfree to take a look at my partition table (make sure > that /dev/hda1 was the /boot), and I've noticed that, in addition to > whatever is wrong with the MBR or boot loader, my swap partition seems > to have completely disappeared. An upgrade shouldn't change partitions or mount points at all. Does /etc/fstab still mention a swap partition? > I tried to install grub, but apparently I am not translating the man > pages correctly. If everything else is correct, running grub-install as root should do it all for you. If you try it the hard way you have to figure out the bsd-style partition name conventions. > I'm not sure how to recover my swap partition, either. > This is all rather odd... I'd be inclined to back up what I could still get from /home and re-install from scratch, but look at it with fdisk -l and compare to /etc/fstab and the output of the 'mount' command to see if you can figure out what happened to your partitions. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri May 14 22:49:01 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:49:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <1084574136.2176.129.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A541F0.80802@snet.net> <1084574136.2176.129.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40A54CDD.8050308@snet.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 17:02, anthony baldwin wrote: > >>> If you hadn't had the boot floppy >>>you could still recover by using the install cd and entering >>>'linux rescue' at the boot prompt, then following the instructions >>>to 'chroot /mnt/sysinstall' later. That would have you running >>>with your drives mounted so the /sbin/lilo would work. >> >>Thanks for the quick reply. >>Maybe I should try the cd rescue? > > > No, it doesn't fix anything, it just boots you so you > run completely from the CD and if it can find an installation > on the hard disk it tries to mount it so you can chroot there. > Then commands you execute work more or less like they would > if you had booted normally. You are still pretty much on your > own to figure out the right commands. > > > >>[root at localhost tony]# /sbin/lilo >>Fatal: open /boot/message: No such file or directory >>[root at localhost tony]# > > > Do you have a /boot partition? Is there a file named > message? I think this is supposed to be a graphic but > it should be optional. If that is all that is wrong, > you can remove the 'message=/boot/message' line from > /etc/lilo.conf and try to run /sbin/lilo again. > I tried to create an empty /boot/message since there was nothing there with touch /boot/message I thought that running /sbin/lilo would alter the file as needed, perhaps. But when I tried to run /sbin/lilo again, I got [root at localhost tony]# /sbin/lilo Fatal: Empty map section I will try to comment out the line as you suggest. I did, btw, try to rescue with CD and run /sbin/lilo from there, but, as you indicate, that was fruitless... -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri May 14 22:55:08 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:55:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <1084574486.2176.136.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A545EF.9070205@snet.net> <1084574486.2176.136.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40A54E4C.7010306@snet.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 17:19, anthony baldwin wrote: > > >>I just checked Kdiskfree to take a look at my partition table (make sure >>that /dev/hda1 was the /boot), and I've noticed that, in addition to >>whatever is wrong with the MBR or boot loader, my swap partition seems >>to have completely disappeared. > > > An upgrade shouldn't change partitions or mount points at all. Does > /etc/fstab still mention a swap partition? I just checked /etc/fstab and it does list /dev/hda3 swap, so I guess that is not a concern after all...Silly me... > > >>I tried to install grub, but apparently I am not translating the man >>pages correctly. > > > If everything else is correct, running > grub-install > as root should do it all for you. If you try it the hard way > you have to figure out the bsd-style partition name conventions. Well, I guess it's /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda1 which I just did. I'm going to reboot now and see what happens. I've never used grub before, always lilo. Wish me luck...I'll be back soon enough, either whining more or elatedly offering you the first of my crop for the next 5 years... If this doesn't work, maybe I'll backup home and do the fresh install. I did hear that a fresh install was desirable when moving from RH to Fedora, I'm just too lazy to backup my entire /home, unless I really, really have to. > > I'd be inclined to back up what I could still get from /home and > re-install from scratch, but look at it with fdisk -l and > compare to /etc/fstab and the output of the 'mount' command > to see if you can figure out what happened to your partitions. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri May 14 23:10:29 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:10:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <1084574486.2176.136.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A545EF.9070205@snet.net> <1084574486.2176.136.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40A551E5.6090206@snet.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > > If everything else is correct, running > grub-install > as root should do it all for you. If you try it the hard way > you have to figure out the bsd-style partition name conventions. > I did /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda and I got an "install finished" message, which seemed to indicate that all was well, but a subsequent reboot produced simliar results as perviously, only, instead of a screen with only "LI" in the corner, it have "L 80 80 80 80 80 80 80" adding another 80 every 20 seconds or so. I grew tired of the proliferating 80s and flopped in the floppy and rebooted. Is this really bad news? Does it mean my MBR is all hosed or something? > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From les at futuresource.com Fri May 14 23:23:16 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:23:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <40A551E5.6090206@snet.net> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A545EF.9070205@snet.net> <1084574486.2176.136.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A551E5.6090206@snet.net> Message-ID: <1084576996.6882.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 18:10, anthony baldwin wrote: > > If everything else is correct, running > > grub-install > > as root should do it all for you. If you try it the hard way > > you have to figure out the bsd-style partition name conventions. > > > > I did /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda > and I got an "install finished" message, which seemed to indicate that > all was well, but a subsequent reboot produced simliar results as > perviously, only, instead of a screen with only "LI" in the corner, it > have "L 80 80 80 80 80 80 80" > adding another 80 every 20 seconds or so. I grew tired of the > proliferating 80s and flopped in the floppy and rebooted. > Is this really bad news? Does it mean my MBR is all hosed or something? Whichever of grub or lilo you installed last will overwrite the MBR, but it sounds like something is missing. Does 'df' show any space remaining on your /boot partition? If it is full, you may have installed too many kernels without removing any. rpm -qa |grep kernel should show the currently installed versions. If there are quite a few, get rid of some with 'rpm -e ...'. Then if you upgraded from CD's and haven't done an online update, do a 'yum update kernel' to install the latest available and fill in any missing pieces. You may still have to patch up the grub installation or hand-edit /etc/lilo.conf --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri May 14 23:53:45 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:53:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <1084576996.6882.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A545EF.9070205@snet.net> <1084574486.2176.136.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A551E5.6090206@snet.net> <1084576996.6882.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40A55C09.5080104@snet.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 18:10, anthony baldwin wrote: > >>>If everything else is correct, running >>>grub-install >>>as root should do it all for you. If you try it the hard way >>>you have to figure out the bsd-style partition name conventions. >>> >> >>I did /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda >>and I got an "install finished" message, which seemed to indicate that >>all was well, but a subsequent reboot produced simliar results as >>perviously, only, instead of a screen with only "LI" in the corner, it >>have "L 80 80 80 80 80 80 80" >>adding another 80 every 20 seconds or so. I grew tired of the >>proliferating 80s and flopped in the floppy and rebooted. >>Is this really bad news? Does it mean my MBR is all hosed or something? > > > Whichever of grub or lilo you installed last will overwrite the > MBR, but it sounds like something is missing. Does 'df' show any > space remaining on your /boot partition? If it is full, you > may have installed too many kernels without removing any. > rpm -qa |grep kernel > should show the currently installed versions. If there are quite > a few, get rid of some with 'rpm -e ...'. Then if you upgraded from > CD's and haven't done an online update, do a 'yum update kernel' to > install the latest available and fill in any missing pieces. You > may still have to patch up the grub installation or hand-edit > /etc/lilo.conf This sounds like it might just be my issue. I have numerous kernels installed, and have been wondering why. Likewise, I have been wondering why I've been running a bigmem kernel, on a PIII 1ghz with 512 mn ram. I suppose I should just choose the stock 2.4.20? > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat May 15 00:02:26 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 20:02:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <1084576996.6882.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A545EF.9070205@snet.net> <1084574486.2176.136.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A551E5.6090206@snet.net> <1084576996.6882.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40A55E12.3090100@snet.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 18:10, anthony baldwin wrote: > >>>If everything else is correct, running >>>grub-install >>>as root should do it all for you. If you try it the hard way >>>you have to figure out the bsd-style partition name conventions. >>> >> >>I did /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda >>and I got an "install finished" message, which seemed to indicate that >>all was well, but a subsequent reboot produced simliar results as >>perviously, only, instead of a screen with only "LI" in the corner, it >>have "L 80 80 80 80 80 80 80" >>adding another 80 every 20 seconds or so. I grew tired of the >>proliferating 80s and flopped in the floppy and rebooted. >>Is this really bad news? Does it mean my MBR is all hosed or something? > > > Whichever of grub or lilo you installed last will overwrite the > MBR, but it sounds like something is missing. Does 'df' show any > space remaining on your /boot partition? If it is full, you > may have installed too many kernels without removing any. > rpm -qa |grep kernel I got this output: bash-2.05b$ rpm -qa |grep kernel kernel-utils-2.4-9.1.101.fedora ltsp_kernel_i386-3.0-13.k12ltsp.0.4.0 kernel-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl kernel-source-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl ltsp_kernel_i386_pxe-3.0-13.k12ltsp.0.4.0 ltsp_kernel_kitchen-sink-3.0-2.k12ltsp.2.3.0 kernel-pcmcia-cs-3.1.31-13 bash-2.05b$ rpm -q kernel kernel-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl Which stumps me. Before the update I had at least 7 kernels showing when lilo came up. Someof them were just older kernels, but I don't se them now. An smp and the bigmem were also listed. It was booting the bibmem, for no apparent reason, but it was working so I left it alone. I'm not sure what to remove here, either, and what to keep. What's an nptl kernel? I can't tell you how much I appreciate your assistance, btw. I'm wondering if this output is significant: bash-2.05b$ cd /usr/src/linux-2.4/kernel bash-2.05b$ ls acct.c exit.c kmod.c printk.c sys.c capability.c fork.c ksyms.c profile.c sysctl.c compat.c futex.c Makefile ptrace.c time.c context.c info.c module.c resource.c timer.c cpufreq.c itimer.c panic.c sched.c uid16.c dma.c kallsyms.c pid.c signal.c user.c exec_domain.c kksymoops.c pm.c softirq.c and bash-2.05b$ cd /boot bash-2.05b$ ls boot.0300 boot.b chain.b config-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl config-2.4.22-1.2166.nptlsmp grub initrd-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl.img initrd-2.4.22-1.2166.nptlsmp.img kernel.h lost+found map message module-info os2_d.b System.map System.map-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl System.map-2.4.22-1.2166.nptlsmp vmlinux-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl vmlinux-2.4.22-1.2166.nptlsmp vmlinuz vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2166.nptlsmp > should show the currently installed versions. If there are quite > a few, get rid of some with 'rpm -e ...'. Then if you upgraded from > CD's and haven't done an online update, do a 'yum update kernel' to > install the latest available and fill in any missing pieces. You > may still have to patch up the grub installation or hand-edit > /etc/lilo.conf > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat May 15 00:03:44 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 20:03:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <1084576996.6882.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A545EF.9070205@snet.net> <1084574486.2176.136.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A551E5.6090206@snet.net> <1084576996.6882.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40A55E60.9080103@snet.net> Les Mikesell wrote: Does 'df' show any > space remaining on your /boot partition? > I neglected to mention that only 10% of the /boot is full. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat May 15 00:15:05 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 20:15:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <1084576996.6882.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A545EF.9070205@snet.net> <1084574486.2176.136.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A551E5.6090206@snet.net> <1084576996.6882.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40A56109.6020405@snet.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > > Whichever of grub or lilo you installed last will overwrite the > MBR, but it sounds like something is missing. Does 'df' show any > space remaining on your /boot partition? If it is full, you > may have installed too many kernels without removing any. > rpm -qa |grep kernel > should show the currently installed versions. If there are quite > a few, get rid of some with 'rpm -e ...'. Then if you upgraded from > CD's and haven't done an online update, do a 'yum update kernel' to > install the latest available and fill in any missing pieces. You > may still have to patch up the grub installation or hand-edit > /etc/lilo.conf > Just smack me now. When did you tell me to comment out the message: /boot/message line? Like 5 e-mails ago? Well, I finally pico-ed /etc/lilo.conf and did as you said, re-ran /sbin/lilo which worked, told her to reboot and SHAZAM! Back in business... Why don't I just listen? I didn't get the usual graphics on boot, just a prompt that said LILO boot: I hit enter and she was off to the races. I'm kind of wondering what cause all this hosery in the first place. It occurs to me that there was once a /boot/message and that somehow it walked away for the Light knows what reason...But it seems we can move on without it anyway... Thanks so much for your patient and fruitful assistance. I love this community! tony > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From edwardsj at leonardisd.net Sat May 15 00:03:30 2004 From: edwardsj at leonardisd.net (Jerome Edwards) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:03:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Best PCI Sound Card? Message-ID: <4092.66.82.9.57.1084579410.squirrel@_default_> What is the best PCI sound card for a K12TLSP client computer? Or better yet, what PCI cards work on the clients? Thanks, Jerome Edwards Technology Support Leonard ISD Tech Dept. www.leonardisd.net __ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat May 15 01:23:07 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:23:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] what sound cards y'all use in server? In-Reply-To: <40A536BE.9020501@netscape.net> References: <004101c439e4$b3283560$1803010a@paasda.org> <40A536BE.9020501@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40A570FB.2040904@cmosnetworks.com> To Huck: That's right. There's a daemon that the LTSP folks (Boris Reisig, I think?) came up with that spits the sound out to the thin client's *local* sound card. That means that you hook up speakers to the thin client's own sound card, play, say, a MPEG file on the K12LTSP server, and yes, you hear the sound at your thin client. Now, that's what I call a Very Cool Hack! To Norbert: Yup, you got it! That's all I did. --TP norbert wrote: > Hi, > > So if I understand all you need to do is activate sound in lts.conf & > voila the clients will have sound???? > > norbert > > dhuckaby at paasda.org wrote: > >>So in effect you are saying the server does not require a sound card in >>order to "pipe" sound out to the clients? >> >>--Huck >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. >>Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:25 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] what sound cards y'all use in server? >> >> >>Actually, I don't use one in my servers. I stick 'em in the clients, >>and the sound comes out there. I'm using the ol' ISA SoundBlaster 16 >>cards. Works great! >> >>--TP >> >>Huck wrote: >> >> >> >>>with all this talk about sound, I'm curious as to what works out of >>>the box >>>because this AC97 stuff looks like a pain in the keister! >>> >>>would be good to know what cards you just plug into the pci slot and >>>kudzu does the rest and all the admin would have to do is uncomment >>>esd or nasd in lts.conf =) >>> >>>--Huck >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat May 15 01:27:15 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:27:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] what sound cards y'all use in server? In-Reply-To: <40A4069B.4060909@esd165.org> References: <000001c4390d$d36842c0$1803010a@paasda.org> <40A403BF.6020004@cmosnetworks.com> <40A4069B.4060909@esd165.org> Message-ID: <40A571F3.2080007@cmosnetworks.com> Would it be possible to try out an old SoundBlaster 16? I know those work, 'cause I've got 25 of them working. Also, the config info's already in the default lts.conf. Might help as a troubleshooting step if you can possibly work this on, say, one client. --TP Matthew Ross wrote: > As of yet, I haven't been able to get the sound to work on my test > box, a Dell GXa. It's got a Crystal Sound chipset which uses the > ad1868 driver. I had the driver load, and it seemed to detect fine... > but still no sound. It's not a permisions problem either... > > Any ideas? > > --Matt > > Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > >> Actually, I don't use one in my servers. I stick 'em in the clients, >> and the sound comes out there. I'm using the ol' ISA SoundBlaster 16 >> cards. Works great! >> >> --TP >> >> Huck wrote: >> >>> with all this talk about sound, I'm curious as to what works out of >>> the box >>> because this AC97 stuff looks like a pain in the keister! >>> >>> would be good to know what cards you just plug into the pci slot and >>> kudzu >>> does the rest and all the admin would have to do is uncomment esd or >>> nasd in lts.conf =) >>> >>> --Huck >> >> > > From lewis at pcc.com Sat May 15 01:38:13 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:38:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Not recreating the Wheel PART 2 Message-ID: <87CADBBD-A610-11D8-A90D-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> I forgot to mention the number of workstations. The main location will have 30-40, each of the remote locations will max out at 20 workstations. One server per location. Lewis Begin forwarded message: > From: Lewis Holcroft > Date: May 14, 2004 12:37:01 PM EDT > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Not recreating the Wheel PART 2 > > I forgot to ask a few questions the first time around. > > Suggestions for SPAM and Anti-Virus > > Also comments on the proposed server. > > Server > IBM xSeries 205 (8480-52X) > 1x P4 2.8GHz(512KB) > 256MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM > 36.4GB 10000 rpm SCSI > Ultra160 SCSI > 48X CD-ROM > Ethernet > ATI Rage XL PCI 4MB > 12/24G dds4 SCSI Tape Drive > > This is a standard machine for us. I expect the memory will be > increased for sure. > > Thanks > Lewis > ---------- > Lewis Holcroft > System Administrator > Physician's Computer Company > 1 Main Street, Suite 7 > Winooski, VT 05404 > www.pcc.com > > From lewis at pcc.com Sat May 15 01:54:58 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:54:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question Message-ID: We used to use the --via option in vncviewer to connect to a windows client via our gateway. vncviewer --via gateway host The man page we have indicates that it uses ssh(1), so as long as the gateway allows port 22 you should be all set. ---------- Lewis Holcroft System Administrator Physician's Computer Company 1 Main Street, Suite 7 Winooski, VT 05404 www.pcc.com From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Sat May 15 01:54:00 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:54:00 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... Message-ID: anthony baldwin wrote: >> I'm kind of wondering what cause all this hosery in the first place. << The "LI" usually indicates a drive geometry error. I usually tell people to boot from rescue media, edit /etc/lilo.conf to add a "linear" directive and then rerun /sbin/lilo -v. 9 times out of 10, that fixes it. The LILO docs explain what's happened when LILO halts after displaying "L", "LI" (quite common), "LIL", and so on. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From les at futuresource.com Sat May 15 01:45:34 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 20:45:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lilo config? MBR hosery? boot issues... In-Reply-To: <40A55E12.3090100@snet.net> References: <40A302CE.3040905@erichv.com> <40A36106.4010002@snet.net> <40A44E28.1030308@erichv.com> <40A53D4D.5070404@snet.net> <1084571693.2176.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A545EF.9070205@snet.net> <1084574486.2176.136.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A551E5.6090206@snet.net> <1084576996.6882.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40A55E12.3090100@snet.net> Message-ID: <1084585533.10633.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 19:02, anthony baldwin wrote: > bash-2.05b$ rpm -q kernel > kernel-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl > > Which stumps me. Before the update I had at least 7 kernels showing > when lilo came up. Someof them were just older kernels, but I don't se > them now. An smp and the bigmem were also listed. It was booting the > bibmem, for no apparent reason, but it was working so I left it alone. > I'm not sure what to remove here, either, and what to keep. > What's an nptl kernel? Nptl is the new posix threading model - Redhat started shipping it with RH9. If you do a 'yum update' you'll get 2.4.22-1.2188.nptl. Smp is for multiple processors, bigmem is for more than 4 gigs of ram. I thought your problem might have been that /boot was out of space but I see from your other message that wasn't it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat May 15 02:48:58 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:48:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40A5851A.4030500@netscape.net> Hi, If I launch vncviewer from my server to another it works fine but if I use the "-via" option I get a "segmentation fault". Can anyone shed some light on this please. K12LTSP V 4.0.1 thanks norbert lewis at pcc.com wrote: > We used to use the --via option in vncviewer to connect to a windows > client via our gateway. > > vncviewer --via gateway host > > The man page we have indicates that it uses ssh(1), so as long as the > gateway allows port 22 you should be all set. > > > ---------- > Lewis Holcroft > System Administrator > Physician's Computer Company > 1 Main Street, Suite 7 > Winooski, VT 05404 > www.pcc.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jfaletra at sau16.org Sat May 15 03:05:33 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:05:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Best PCI Sound Card? In-Reply-To: <4092.66.82.9.57.1084579410.squirrel@_default_> References: <4092.66.82.9.57.1084579410.squirrel@_default_> Message-ID: Anything soundblaster compatible works. 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From robark at telus.net Sat May 15 06:00:50 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:00:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! Message-ID: <200405142300.50644.robark@telus.net> Using k12ltsp on a shared hub on a windows network. Already has a dhcp server broadcasting ip's. Is there any way to setup the bootrom floppy to reject ip's from the other dhcp server?? Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat May 15 11:57:43 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 07:57:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! In-Reply-To: <200405142300.50644.robark@telus.net> References: <200405142300.50644.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <40A605B7.50505@cmosnetworks.com> Chuck Liebow will suggest running the K12LTSP DHCP server on a nonstandard port, using boot floppies that tell the thin client what UDP port to use. He's described good results with this. The other way is to add the parameters for the K12LTSP thin clients to the existing DHCP server's scope and not run dhcpd on the K12LTSP server at all. That's how I do it. --TP Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Using k12ltsp on a shared hub on a windows network. Already has a dhcp server >broadcasting ip's. > >Is there any way to setup the bootrom floppy to reject ip's from the other >dhcp server?? > > >Robert Arkiletian >Eric Hamber Secondary > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From bobk at mn.rr.com Sat May 15 12:19:49 2004 From: bobk at mn.rr.com (Bob K) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 07:19:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! In-Reply-To: <40A605B7.50505@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200405142300.50644.robark@telus.net> <40A605B7.50505@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40A60AE5.9010109@mn.rr.com> I've got the same problem but the IP range of the Windows box is different than what is standard in K12LTSP, so the server must be set up differently. 1. How do you set up the server to use a different IP range? 2. How do the clients know to boot of this network, or does it just happen? Thanks in advance!!! Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Chuck Liebow will suggest running the K12LTSP DHCP server on a > nonstandard port, using boot floppies that tell the thin client what > UDP port to use. He's described good results with this. > > The other way is to add the parameters for the K12LTSP thin clients to > the existing DHCP server's scope and not run dhcpd on the K12LTSP > server at all. That's how I do it. > > --TP > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> Using k12ltsp on a shared hub on a windows network. Already has a >> dhcp server broadcasting ip's. >> >> Is there any way to setup the bootrom floppy to reject ip's from the >> other dhcp server?? >> >> >> Robert Arkiletian >> Eric Hamber Secondary >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat May 15 12:20:22 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:20:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board In-Reply-To: <40A532E0.4040809@maltzen.net> References: <20040514020254.PFAM22519.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <40A532E0.4040809@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <40A60B06.1050701@gwi.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > The problem appears to be with Moz loading the java at startup. I've > got the symlink to the java in my ~/.mozilla/plugins, but when I > startup Moz, I get this: > > LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library > /opt/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so > [/opt/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so: > undefined symbol: _ZdlPv] > > I had installed the java from the rpm file that Sun provides. I also > tried the plain tarball file, and got the same error, which makes me > think the problem may be with Moz not java. I'm running Moz 1.6b > where b stands for beta, and I think I'll try the later 1.6 release. > I've also downloaded the blackdown java to see if that makes a > difference (haven't installed it yet, though). http://mailman.u.washington.edu/pipermail/linux/2003-November/007205.html Which Linux version are you running? (Might be as easy to answer as cat /etc/redhat-release) -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat May 15 12:43:06 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:43:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question In-Reply-To: <40A5851A.4030500@netscape.net> References: <40A5851A.4030500@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40A6105A.1010309@gwi.net> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > If I launch vncviewer from my server to another it works fine but if I > use the "-via" option I get a "segmentation fault". Can anyone shed > some light on this please. > K12LTSP V 4.0.1 Let's break it down. Does ssh to the other server work ok? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat May 15 14:58:53 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:58:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question In-Reply-To: <40A6105A.1010309@gwi.net> References: <40A5851A.4030500@netscape.net> <40A6105A.1010309@gwi.net> Message-ID: <40A6302D.3020207@netscape.net> Hi, Yes SSH, FTP & HTTP all work fine, hence the intrigue ..... norbert ckjohnson at gwi.net wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> If I launch vncviewer from my server to another it works fine but if >> I use the "-via" option I get a "segmentation fault". Can anyone shed >> some light on this please. >> K12LTSP V 4.0.1 > > > > Let's break it down. Does ssh to the other server work ok? > From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat May 15 15:45:00 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:45:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wine wmp Message-ID: <40A63AFC.50706@snet.net> Hi, Do any of you have windopes mediocre player running? (I can't seem to get xine to play wmv) I dled wine and rpm -Uvh ed it, dled mp71.exe and did wine mp71.exe and the install started but eventually quit with a "you are trying to install wmp on an unsopported verions of windows" message. I'm crossposting my my lug and the K12 list. For scosug, this is on Fedora Core 1 based K12linux. tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat May 15 15:49:59 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:49:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 2.6 kernel on 4.0.1? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40A63C27.1000306@snet.net> For my next trick I am considering actually updating to a 2.6 kernel. Anyone using 2.6 now? I've never updated a kernel besides with yum or apt. I found this: http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20040315152255759 Is this advisable for a largely clueless newbie (2 years using k12ltsp)? I'm always eager to learn more, but not at the expense of hosery. (well, except that it gives me excuses to annoy the good folk on this list with more stupid questions...) The howto makes it look rather simple. Or, is there a 2.6 in our repos, so I could do a yum install kernel-2.6...? tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat May 15 15:58:18 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:58:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 2.6 kernel on 4.0.1? In-Reply-To: <40A63C27.1000306@snet.net> References: <40A63C27.1000306@snet.net> Message-ID: <40A63E1A.8020608@netscape.net> Hi Tony, Yup looks real easy ...... however I'd wait for the Eric/Jim implementation of K12ltsp with the 2.6 kernel. Having tried it myself for several days when 2.6 was released I can say that's it is not simple. During the selection of functions in the kernel I got several errors of libs missing... so I hunted them down, installed them to discover that they were not compatible with other libs & so on & so on....... But if you're feeling heroic & want to forge ahead please let us all know how you fare ;-) norbert anthonybaldwin at snet.net wrote: > For my next trick I am considering actually updating to a 2.6 kernel. > Anyone using 2.6 now? > I've never updated a kernel besides with yum or apt. > I found this: > http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20040315152255759 > Is this advisable for a largely clueless newbie (2 years using k12ltsp)? > I'm always eager to learn more, but not at the expense of hosery. > (well, except that it gives me excuses to annoy the good folk on this > list with more stupid questions...) > The howto makes it look rather simple. > Or, is there a 2.6 in our repos, so I could do a > yum install kernel-2.6...? > > tony > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat May 15 16:05:28 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 09:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 2.6 kernel on 4.0.1? In-Reply-To: <40A63C27.1000306@snet.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 May 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: >For my next trick I am considering actually updating to a 2.6 kernel. >Anyone using 2.6 now? >I've never updated a kernel besides with yum or apt. >I found this: >http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20040315152255759 >Is this advisable for a largely clueless newbie (2 years using k12ltsp)? >I'm always eager to learn more, but not at the expense of hosery. >(well, except that it gives me excuses to annoy the good folk on this >list with more stupid questions...) >The howto makes it look rather simple. >Or, is there a 2.6 in our repos, so I could do a >yum install kernel-2.6...? > >tony This is *not* a good idea, but it is fun ;-) I've done this on a few systems (K12LTSP 3.1.2, not K12LTSP 4.0.1) without a problem, but your milage may vary. Have good backups... edit /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources, and uncomment the line: apt arjan-2.6-kernel-i386 http://people.redhat.com ~arjanv/2.5/ kernel you should now be able to run this command to install a 2.6 + all of the needed utilities: up2date -i -f kernel Good luck ;-) -Eric From mellax at pm.ee Sat May 15 16:43:05 2004 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 19:43:05 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 2.6 kernel on 4.0.1? In-Reply-To: <20040515160014.5564673FC1@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040515160014.5564673FC1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40A64899.2050008@pm.ee> > For my next trick I am considering actually updating to a 2.6 kernel. > Anyone using 2.6 now? I suggest - if you happy with 2.4 series and you have production environment - DO NOT update to 2.6. I use 2.6.5 SMP with FC1 and so far so good. But I use self-compiled kernel. I still cannot use 2.4 series. From les at futuresource.com Sat May 15 17:29:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:29:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 2.6 kernel on 4.0.1? In-Reply-To: <40A63C27.1000306@snet.net> References: <40A63C27.1000306@snet.net> Message-ID: <1084642141.13021.72.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 10:49, anthony baldwin wrote: > For my next trick I am considering actually updating to a 2.6 kernel. > Anyone using 2.6 now? > I've never updated a kernel besides with yum or apt. > I found this: > http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20040315152255759 > Is this advisable for a largely clueless newbie (2 years using k12ltsp)? > I'm always eager to learn more, but not at the expense of hosery. > (well, except that it gives me excuses to annoy the good folk on this > list with more stupid questions...) The first thing to learn is how to do a backup/restore so you don't have to worry about doing too much damage. Also it helps to have a spare box to experiment so when something breaks there is no rush to make it work again. For this specific update, I'd recommend waiting for the distribution based on fedora core2 which should be out soon, and this time instead of doing an upgrade to your existing system, reinstall from scratch and them put your own stuff back. A backup is a good safety net for this but if /home is on it's own partition you can do a new install without reformatting /home. I usually do a 'cp -a /etc ...' to somewhere under my own home directory so I'll have the old config files for reference in case I forget how something was set up previously or I want to paste the old users back from the passwd/shadow/group files. You might also have to check /usr/local for anything you compiled locally to be sure you can rebuild it on the new installation. This was the hard part a few years back when you typically had to customize a system with a lot of programs not included in the distributions, but now that almost everything you could want is available in rpms you may not have anything local to rebuild. Check /opt also and be sure you have copies of anything you changed under /opt/ltsp. If /home isn't on a separate partition, you'll have to copy the contents somewhere in a way that preserves ownership and permissions (tar, cpio, 'rsync -a', etc.) or count on your existing backup method to get them back. If you have BackupPC running on another box on the network you already have the ability to restore what you had any of the last several days and you can use the web interface to have it do a quick incremental just before you update to be sure you have everything. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat May 15 19:24:13 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 15:24:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question In-Reply-To: <40A6302D.3020207@netscape.net> References: <40A5851A.4030500@netscape.net> <40A6105A.1010309@gwi.net> <40A6302D.3020207@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40A66E5D.70508@gwi.net> norbert wrote: > Yes SSH, FTP & HTTP all work fine, hence the intrigue ..... > >>> If I launch vncviewer from my server to another it works fine but if >>> I use the "-via" option I get a "segmentation fault". Can anyone >>> shed some light on this please. >>> K12LTSP V 4.0.1 >> What vnc rpm do you have? What does your vncviewer command line look like? How about an strace of running vncviewer with the -via option? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat May 15 21:41:38 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 17:41:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question In-Reply-To: <40A66E5D.70508@gwi.net> References: <40A5851A.4030500@netscape.net> <40A6105A.1010309@gwi.net> <40A6302D.3020207@netscape.net> <40A66E5D.70508@gwi.net> Message-ID: <40A68E92.90509@netscape.net> Hi, Thanks for trying to help, here is the info. vnc version = vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.2 vnc command = vncviewer -via xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx strace = [norbert at krypton norbert]$ strace vncviewer -via 24.37.89.244 execve("/usr/bin/vncviewer", ["vncviewer", "-via", "24.37.89.244"], [/* 31 vars */]) = 0 uname({sys="Linux", node="krypton", ...}) = 0 brk(0) = 0x85da000 open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 3 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=76260, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 76260, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xbf4ff000 close(3) = 0 open("/usr/lib/libz.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0000w\303"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=65928, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xbf4fe000 old_mmap(0xc36000, 67608, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xc36000 old_mmap(0xc46000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0xf000) = 0xc46000 close(3) = 0 open("/usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0@\321\305"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=32576, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(0xc5b000, 30272, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xc5b000 old_mmap(0xc62000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0x7000) = 0xc62000 close(3) open("/usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\20\205"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=83160, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(0xc65000, 92304, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xc65000 old_mmap(0xc79000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0x13000) = 0xc79000 old_mmap(0xc7a000, 6288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xc7a000 close(3) = 0 open("/usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\340\210"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=54520, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(0xc26000, 56564, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xc26000 old_mmap(0xc33000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0xc000) = 0xc33000 close(3) = 0 open("/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\200s\265"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=908376, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(0xb46000, 907288, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb46000 old_mmap(0xc21000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0xdb000) = 0xc21000 close(3) open("/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\340\343"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=739668, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(0x101000, 761792, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x101000 old_mmap(0x1b1000, 20480, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0xaf000) = 0x1b1000 old_mmap(0x1b6000, 20416, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x1b6000 close(3) = 0 open("/lib/tls/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\0\5\262"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=213244, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xbf4fd000 old_mmap(0xb1d000, 138000, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb1d000 old_mmap(0xb3e000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0x20000) = 0xb3e000 close(3) = 0 open("/lib/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\0\5\336"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=30604, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(0xddf000, 32112, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xddf000 old_mmap(0xde6000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0x6000) = 0xde6000 close(3) = 0 open("/lib/tls/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0`x\237\000"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=1578228, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(0x9e2000, 1281996, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x9e2000 old_mmap(0xb15000, 16384, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0x132000) = 0xb15000 old_mmap(0xb19000, 8140, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb19000 close(3) = 0 open("/lib/libdl.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0P*\264\000"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=16312, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(0xb41000, 12148, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb41000 old_mmap(0xb43000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0x1000) = 0xb43000 close(3) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xbf4fc000 set_thread_area({entry_number:-1 -> 6, base_addr:0xbf4fc500, limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, useable:1}) = 0 munmap(0xbf4ff000, 76260) = 0 brk(0) = 0x85da000 brk(0x85fb000) = 0x85fb000 brk(0) = 0x85fb000 write(2, "\nVNC viewer for X version 4.0b4 "..., 149 VNC viewer for X version 4.0b4 - built Nov 17 2003 13:17:08 Copyright (C) 2002-2003 RealVNC Ltd. See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC. ) = 149 rt_sigaction(SIGHUP, {0x8062df0, [HUP], SA_RESTORER|SA_RESTART, 0xa09a58}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {0x8062df0, [INT], SA_RESTORER|SA_RESTART, 0xa09a58}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGTERM, {0x8062df0, [TERM], SA_RESTORER|SA_RESTART, 0xa09a58}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGPIPE, {SIG_IGN}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 3 bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(5599), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = 0 close(3) = 0 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ Again thanks for the help norbert strace (and I apologise for the length, however it is meaningless to me... :-( ) ckjohnson at gwi.net wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Yes SSH, FTP & HTTP all work fine, hence the intrigue ..... >> >>>> If I launch vncviewer from my server to another it works fine but >>>> if I use the "-via" option I get a "segmentation fault". Can anyone >>>> shed some light on this please. >>>> K12LTSP V 4.0.1 >>> >>> > What vnc rpm do you have? > What does your vncviewer command line look like? > How about an strace of running vncviewer with the -via option? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat May 15 23:04:31 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 19:04:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question In-Reply-To: <40A68E92.90509@netscape.net> References: <40A5851A.4030500@netscape.net> <40A6105A.1010309@gwi.net> <40A6302D.3020207@netscape.net> <40A66E5D.70508@gwi.net> <40A68E92.90509@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40A6A1FF.3040905@gwi.net> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for trying to help, here is the info. > > vnc version = vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.2 > vnc command = vncviewer -via xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > strace = > [norbert at krypton norbert]$ strace vncviewer -via 24.37.89.244 > [clip] > socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 3 > bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(5599), > sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = 0 > close(3) = 0 > --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- > +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ > > Again thanks for the help > > norbert > > strace (and I apologise for the length, however it is meaningless to > me... :-( ) > > ckjohnson at gwi.net wrote: > >> norbert wrote: >> >>> Yes SSH, FTP & HTTP all work fine, hence the intrigue ..... >>> >>>>> If I launch vncviewer from my server to another it works fine but >>>>> if I use the "-via" option I get a "segmentation fault". Can >>>>> anyone shed some light on this please. >>>>> K12LTSP V 4.0.1 >>>> >>>> >> What vnc rpm do you have? >> What does your vncviewer command line look like? >> How about an strace of running vncviewer with the -via option? >> I have reproduced your problem, and consequently know how to avoid it. Obviously producing a seg fault instead of an error message is a bug in vncviewer, so you might want to open a bugzilla entry at bugzilla.redhat.com. A proper command syntax is: vncviewer localhost:0 -via 24.37.89.244 Or perhaps localhost:1, etc. The problem is that you still need to say where to connect the vncviewer to, and the -via argument only says where to tunnel that connection through, not the remote endpoint of the tunnel. BTW: if you need to use a different account at 24.37.89.244 you can also do something like this: vncviewer localhost:0 -via remoteuser at 24.37.89.244 Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun May 16 00:25:12 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:25:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! In-Reply-To: <40A60AE5.9010109@mn.rr.com> References: <200405142300.50644.robark@telus.net> <40A605B7.50505@cmosnetworks.com> <40A60AE5.9010109@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <40A6B4E8.4070406@cmosnetworks.com> I'm in the same situation; my WAN runs subnets of 10.0.0.0/8. As I recall, there are a few things to do, but it's not that bad. It's just a matter of modifying the IP addresses in two--possibly three if you got fancy--files on the K12LTSP server to reflect your "new" range. 1.) /etc/hosts 2.) /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf 3.) /etc/resolv.conf -- this applies only if you're running a DNS server on your K12LTSP server and pointing your K12LTSP server to itself (used only in special circumstances--it's off by default). A simple "find 'n' replace" in kedit, gedit, or your favorite editor will handle this fine. I replaced "192.168.0" with "10.64.96" in my case. Your last octet of course doesn't have to be 254 if you don't want it to be, say, if it's already taken by something else (your router, perhaps?). I left it as 254 simply because our routers all end in .1, and I was lazy. :-) My K12LTSP server at home handles both i386 and Mac clients, on separate segments. The Mac segment uses 192.168.1.1/24, and the i386 side uses 192.168.0.254/24 (same segment as my router). --TP Bob K wrote: > I've got the same problem but the IP range of the Windows box is > different than what is standard in K12LTSP, so the server must be set > up differently. 1. How do you set up the server to use a different IP > range? > 2. How do the clients know to boot of this network, or does it just > happen? > > Thanks in advance!!! > > > > Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > >> Chuck Liebow will suggest running the K12LTSP DHCP server on a >> nonstandard port, using boot floppies that tell the thin client what >> UDP port to use. He's described good results with this. >> >> The other way is to add the parameters for the K12LTSP thin clients >> to the existing DHCP server's scope and not run dhcpd on the K12LTSP >> server at all. That's how I do it. >> >> --TP >> >> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >>> Using k12ltsp on a shared hub on a windows network. Already has a >>> dhcp server broadcasting ip's. >>> >>> Is there any way to setup the bootrom floppy to reject ip's from the >>> other dhcp server?? >>> >>> >>> Robert Arkiletian >>> Eric Hamber Secondary >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun May 16 00:33:37 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:33:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wine wmp In-Reply-To: <40A63AFC.50706@snet.net> References: <40A63AFC.50706@snet.net> Message-ID: <40A6B6E1.3020906@cmosnetworks.com> Looks like Windows Mediocre Player checks for certain versions of certain DLLs, doesn't see Microsoft's special signature on 'em, and quits, whether the app would actually run successfully without doing this check. I can think of two reasons for this: 1.) Force-feed OS upgrades down people's throats. 2.) Keep it from running on WINE. This reminds me of the DR-DOS and Windows 3.1 "errors" back in the early 1990's. Consider using mplayer instead. You will have to compile the src, but the learning curve isn't horrible. I have several .WMVs, .AVIs, .ASFs, .MPGs, DivX, etc., and mplayer handles them all with aplomb. Even plays RealVideo streams (not that well, though, but it does work). But it would mean compiling source. The other alternative is to get the codecs for Xine and install them. I don't know if Xine can handle that as Red Hat compiles it (I haven't tried it since RHL 7.3). --TP anthony baldwin wrote: > Hi, > Do any of you have windopes mediocre player running? > (I can't seem to get xine to play wmv) > I dled wine and rpm -Uvh ed it, dled mp71.exe and did > wine mp71.exe > and the install started but eventually quit with a > "you are trying to install wmp on an unsopported verions of windows" > message. > > I'm crossposting my my lug and the K12 list. For scosug, this is on > Fedora Core 1 based K12linux. > > > tony > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun May 16 04:28:43 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 00:28:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC (Virtual Network Computing) question In-Reply-To: <40A6A1FF.3040905@gwi.net> References: <40A5851A.4030500@netscape.net> <40A6105A.1010309@gwi.net> <40A6302D.3020207@netscape.net> <40A66E5D.70508@gwi.net> <40A68E92.90509@netscape.net> <40A6A1FF.3040905@gwi.net> Message-ID: <40A6EDFB.4040109@netscape.net> Hello Chris, Thank yuo it works great & the confirmation that I wasn't going totally insane helped too :-) norbert ckjohnson at gwi.net wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Thanks for trying to help, here is the info. >> >> vnc version = vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.2 >> vnc command = vncviewer -via xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx >> strace = >> [norbert at krypton norbert]$ strace vncviewer -via 24.37.89.244 >> [clip] >> socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 3 >> bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(5599), >> sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = 0 >> close(3) = 0 >> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- >> +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ >> >> Again thanks for the help >> >> norbert >> >> strace (and I apologise for the length, however it is meaningless to >> me... :-( ) >> >> ckjohnson at gwi.net wrote: >> >>> norbert wrote: >>> >>>> Yes SSH, FTP & HTTP all work fine, hence the intrigue ..... >>>> >>>>>> If I launch vncviewer from my server to another it works fine but >>>>>> if I use the "-via" option I get a "segmentation fault". Can >>>>>> anyone shed some light on this please. >>>>>> K12LTSP V 4.0.1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> What vnc rpm do you have? >>> What does your vncviewer command line look like? >>> How about an strace of running vncviewer with the -via option? >>> > I have reproduced your problem, and consequently know how to avoid > it. Obviously producing a seg fault instead of an error message is a > bug in vncviewer, so you might want to open a bugzilla entry at > bugzilla.redhat.com. > > A proper command syntax is: > vncviewer localhost:0 -via 24.37.89.244 > > Or perhaps localhost:1, etc. The problem is that you still need to > say where to connect the vncviewer to, and the -via argument only says > where to tunnel that connection through, not the remote endpoint of > the tunnel. > > BTW: if you need to use a different account at 24.37.89.244 you can > also do something like this: > vncviewer localhost:0 -via remoteuser at 24.37.89.244 > > Chris > From robark at telus.net Sun May 16 04:28:00 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 21:28:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! In-Reply-To: <40A6B4E8.4070406@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200405142300.50644.robark@telus.net> <40A60AE5.9010109@mn.rr.com> <40A6B4E8.4070406@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200405152128.00846.robark@telus.net> Thanks for your reply Terrell. I asked Chuck how to solve the problem and he refered me to Bhaskar S. Manda's "how-to" http://ltsp.org/contrib/parallel_dhcp.txt Of the two solutions. #1) using an alternate port for dhcp #2) using the existing school dhcp server #1 seems like it's more work. Rom-o-matic does provide an online boot disk image creator that allows using ports (1067 and 1068) instead of (67 and 68) for dhcp under the optional configure button. But in addition to updating all the boot floppies I then have to also compile a new client kernel with the correct port number and change dhcpd.conf to send the new kernel. I'm afraid I might hose things doing this. It might be fun to try though. #2 seems easier. But I still don't understand how you turn the k12ltsp dhcp server off. Does it simply involve find-replaceing 192.168.0.100 to 192.168.0.254 with the ip range that the school server dishes out? Bhaskar S. Manda also writes at the end of his "how-to" : =============================== Alternate method: II. You can use the Windows DHCP server with some tweaking. 1. Create the symlink /opt/ltsp/i386000 to point to /opt/ltsp/i386. This is because we've seen Windows DHCP servers zero-pad root path strings. 2. Set the bootfile (option 67) and rootpath (17), options to the location of the kernel and the root path respectively. 3. Restart the service. =============================== Wondering if you have seen this Terrell, because I don't know what he is refering to in his second point. Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary On Saturday 15 May 2004 5:25 pm, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > I'm in the same situation; my WAN runs subnets of 10.0.0.0/8. As I > recall, there are a few things to do, but it's not that bad. It's just > a matter of modifying the IP addresses in two--possibly three if you got > fancy--files on the K12LTSP server to reflect your "new" range. > > 1.) /etc/hosts > 2.) /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > 3.) /etc/resolv.conf -- this applies only if you're running a DNS > server on your K12LTSP server and pointing your K12LTSP server to itself > (used only in special circumstances--it's off by default). > > A simple "find 'n' replace" in kedit, gedit, or your favorite editor > will handle this fine. I replaced "192.168.0" with "10.64.96" in my > case. Your last octet of course doesn't have to be 254 if you don't > want it to be, say, if it's already taken by something else (your > router, perhaps?). I left it as 254 simply because our routers all end > in .1, and I was lazy. :-) > > My K12LTSP server at home handles both i386 and Mac clients, on separate > segments. The Mac segment uses 192.168.1.1/24, and the i386 side uses > 192.168.0.254/24 (same segment as my router). > > --TP > From cliebow at downeast.net Sun May 16 11:52:10 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 11:52:10 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! Message-ID: <200405161040.i4GAeTo22607@downeast.net> terrell...the last kernel s gaede wrote added sed to busybox such that i dhcp server suffices...if dhcp says bootpath /opt/ltsp/i386 the initrd in Macintosh just chnges it to /opt/ltsp/ppc......chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Sun May 16 12:07:03 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 12:07:03 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! Message-ID: <200405161055.i4GAtMo24093@downeast.net> change dhcpd.conf and replace numbers in the range and in the root path..chnage exports so instead of 192.168.0 use your subnet..change hosts so all 192.168 reflect your sybnet...change lts.conf where it reads server = 192.168.0. better yt chnge nic and let ltspcfg do it for you..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Sun May 16 12:25:14 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 12:25:14 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! Message-ID: <200405161113.i4GBDXo26023@downeast.net> change dhcpd.conf and replace numbers in the range and in the root path..chnage exports so instead of 192.168.0 use your subnet..change hosts so all 192.168 reflect your sybnet...change lts.conf where it reads server = 192.168.0. better yt chnge nic and let ltspcfg do it for you..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun May 16 13:43:54 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 09:43:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! In-Reply-To: <200405161040.i4GAeTo22607@downeast.net> References: <200405161040.i4GAeTo22607@downeast.net> Message-ID: <40A7701A.2030304@cmosnetworks.com> Hmmm...does this mean I don't have to run a multi-subnet install anymore? I'm quite interested in this 'cause we still have so many old Macs. If we can now serve both i386 and PPC thin clients with just one client-side NIC and one IP subnet, that would totally rock. --TP cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >terrell...the last kernel s gaede wrote added sed to busybox such that i >dhcp server suffices...if dhcp says bootpath /opt/ltsp/i386 the initrd in >Macintosh just chnges it to >/opt/ltsp/ppc......chuck > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun May 16 13:55:59 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 09:55:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! In-Reply-To: <200405161055.i4GAtMo24093@downeast.net> References: <200405161055.i4GAtMo24093@downeast.net> Message-ID: <40A772EF.2020508@cmosnetworks.com> That would mean he's still using the K12LTSP DHCP server, though. Personally, I would consider this a major improvement over the Windows DHCP server, but he may have Layer 8 issues getting in his way. However, I know from experience that, running on a 386-33 w/ 32MB DRAM, ISC DHCPD can easily--EASILY--handle a large (1,000+ computers) high school. We did just this at several schools back in the Red Hat Linux 5.2 days w/ nary a hiccup. That was actually part of the justification to get DHCP off the Windows servers. :-) --TP cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >change dhcpd.conf and replace numbers in the range and in the root >path..chnage exports so instead of 192.168.0 use your subnet..change hosts >so all 192.168 reflect your sybnet...change lts.conf where it reads server >= 192.168.0. > >better yt chnge nic and let ltspcfg do it for you..chuck > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Sun May 16 18:22:15 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:22:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! Message-ID: <200405161710.i4GHAWo02944@downeast.net> i think the kernel is on my ftp sjipslatest-ooh you use regular port 67........i think the seas.bin there works that way..169.244.180.188 user ltsp pw ltsp give it a try if you want..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From haynest at mchsi.com Sun May 16 21:18:20 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Tom Haynes) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 16:18:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need input from educators... In-Reply-To: <1084546535.16914.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <002601c43b8b$50e033a0$6701a8c0@HAYNEST> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Calvin Park, ADCS Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 9:56 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] I need input from educators... Sounds like an interesting idea. We're looking into using Moodle (www.moodle.org) at the college that I work for...nevertheless, still sounds like a cool idea. I'm sure that I could do some beta testing for you or contribute some ideas (not much of a coder I'm afraid, only very basic ASP and PHP, and some Perl). Let me know. -Calvin Moodle is great! We love it and use it for all sorts of things. I like the quizzing and have figured out how to import tests from my Houghton Mifflin PreCalc CD. We have it set up to authenticate off the mail server. http://academies.culver.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=12&username=guest Regards... Tom From faengoy at yahoo.com Mon May 17 00:56:46 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 17:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 2 DHCP Servers In-Reply-To: <20040516160019.46931738DB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040517005646.92357.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> OK, ,I held off talking because I was sure that someone would mentione this, but why not use the VCI switch on Romomatic?: 'REQUIRE_VCI_ETHERBOOT Require an encapsulated Vendor Class Identifier of "Etherboot" in the DHCP reply Requires DHCP support. Enabling this makes the boot ROM require a Vendor Class Identifier of "Etherboot" in the Vendor Encapsulated Options This can be used to reject replies from servers other than the one we want to give out addresses to us, but it will prevent Etherboot from getting an IP lease until you have configured DHCPD correctly.' You can operate two DHCP servers on the same port, but the Etherbooted computer will only respond to the one that specifies that it is for Etherboot. No messy setup. No recompiling. Dan > That would mean he's still using the K12LTSP DHCP > server, though. > Personally, I would consider this a major > improvement over the Windows > DHCP server, but he may have Layer 8 issues getting > in his way. > > However, I know from experience that, running on a > 386-33 w/ 32MB DRAM, > ISC DHCPD can easily--EASILY--handle a large (1,000+ > computers) high > school. We did just this at several schools back in > the Red Hat Linux > 5.2 days w/ nary a hiccup. That was actually part > of the justification > to get DHCP off the Windows servers. :-) ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ From robark at telus.net Mon May 17 00:57:20 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 17:57:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! In-Reply-To: <200405162131.i4GLVco29709@downeast.net> References: <200405162131.i4GLVco29709@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200405161757.20213.robark@telus.net> On Sunday 16 May 2004 3:43 pm, you wrote: > you do not need to compile kernel since 2.4.21.. Unfortunately, I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 which uses kernel 2.4.20 so I will have to compile the client kernel. I have compiled my kernel at home on slackware so I do have a little experience. I'm not using 4 because I need SMP to be stable. Regarding using the schools dhcp server: Terrell wrote: ====================== Note that options 67 and 17 need to be filled in regardless of which DHCP server you use. (a router or win server) ====================== After reading Terrell's and your comments I now understand that I am going to have to have to access and modify the school server or router. This is something I don't want to (or can't) do. I want k12ltsp to run without asking for tech support from my school. So I have decided to go the non-standard port solution. This should be invisible to the school network. Robert Arkiletian > in dhspd.conf in global section > option-option 128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option-option 129 "DPORT=1001" > i use 1001/1002 > > in redhat /etc/init.d/dhcp i start section > daemon /usr/bin/dhcpd -p 1001 $(DHCPDARGS) > > starts dhcp on port 1001 > > download etherboot-5.0.11 > > IN etherboot.h > #define BOOTP_SERVER 1001 > #define BOOTP_CLIENT 1002 > > then compile for instance fro an rtl8139 card > > make bin32/rtl8139.lzdsk > > for a romimage it is > > make bin32/rtl8139.lzrom > > might be easier for you to use 1067 1068 since the roms are available on > romomatic//advantage to rolling your own is you can check pci device id and > add support for oddball cards yourself by altering NIC file in the src > directory.. > > need help? holler on #ltsp freenode.net i am around > fitfully..chuck > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ From jam at mcquil.com Mon May 17 01:13:06 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! In-Reply-To: <200405161757.20213.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 May 2004, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Sunday 16 May 2004 3:43 pm, you wrote: > > you do not need to compile kernel since 2.4.21.. > > Unfortunately, I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 which uses kernel 2.4.20 so I will have > to compile the client kernel. I have compiled my kernel at home on slackware > so I do have a little experience. I'm not using 4 because I need SMP to be > stable. So, why do you need to compile your own client kernel ? Just grab the latest ltsp kernel package from the ltsp.org download page. The package you want is ltsp_kernel-3.0.15, either the tgz or rpm package will work for you. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Regarding using the schools dhcp server: > Terrell wrote: > ====================== > Note that options 67 and 17 need to be filled in regardless of which > DHCP server you use. (a router or win server) > ====================== > > After reading Terrell's and your comments I now understand that I am going to > have to have to access and modify the school server or router. This is > something I don't want to (or can't) do. I want k12ltsp to run without asking > for tech support from my school. So I have decided to go the non-standard > port solution. This should be invisible to the school network. > > Robert Arkiletian > > > in dhspd.conf in global section > > option-option 128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > option-option 129 "DPORT=1001" > > i use 1001/1002 > > > > in redhat /etc/init.d/dhcp i start section > > daemon /usr/bin/dhcpd -p 1001 $(DHCPDARGS) > > > > starts dhcp on port 1001 > > > > download etherboot-5.0.11 > > > > IN etherboot.h > > #define BOOTP_SERVER 1001 > > #define BOOTP_CLIENT 1002 > > > > then compile for instance fro an rtl8139 card > > > > make bin32/rtl8139.lzdsk > > > > for a romimage it is > > > > make bin32/rtl8139.lzrom > > > > might be easier for you to use 1067 1068 since the roms are available on > > romomatic//advantage to rolling your own is you can check pci device id and > > add support for oddball cards yourself by altering NIC file in the src > > directory.. > > > > need help? holler on #ltsp freenode.net i am around > > fitfully..chuck > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at telus.net Mon May 17 01:28:32 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:28:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! In-Reply-To: <200405162228.i4GMS7o05558@downeast.net> References: <200405162228.i4GMS7o05558@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200405161828.32202.robark@telus.net> Is it ok if both eth0 and eth1 are plugged into the same hub? If I use the non-standard port method then eth1 will use the schools dhcp server and eth0 will broadcast on a non-standard port. Will this work? Robert Arkiletian On Sunday 16 May 2004 4:39 pm, you wrote: > \ > btw can you at least get them to reserve out a set of addresses you can > use??my network is 10.10.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0..windowshas exception for > 10.10.10.10 which is where i run my dhcp > > otherwise you can ues default 192.168 but you need to nics..one for ltsp > ont to route addresses to the regular > network..chuck > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at telus.net Mon May 17 07:16:06 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 00:16:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 DHCP Servers In-Reply-To: <20040517005646.92357.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040517005646.92357.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200405170016.06937.robark@telus.net> Thanks, Dan I just read http://www.etherboot.org/doc50/html/userman-4.html and it seems very simple. I would like to thank this list for it's great support I really appreciate all the responses. Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary On Sunday 16 May 2004 5:56 pm, Dan Bo wrote: > OK, ,I held off talking because I was sure that > someone would mentione this, but why not use the VCI > switch on Romomatic?: > 'REQUIRE_VCI_ETHERBOOT > Require an encapsulated Vendor Class Identifier of > "Etherboot" in the DHCP reply Requires DHCP support. > Enabling this makes the boot ROM require a Vendor > Class Identifier of "Etherboot" in the Vendor > Encapsulated Options This can be used to reject > replies from servers other than the one we want to > give out addresses to us, but it will prevent > Etherboot from getting an IP lease until you have > configured DHCPD correctly.' > > You can operate two DHCP servers on the same port, but > the Etherbooted computer will only respond to the one > that specifies that it is for Etherboot. No messy > setup. No recompiling. > > Dan From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 17 11:34:08 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:34:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 DHCP Servers In-Reply-To: <20040517005646.92357.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040517005646.92357.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40A8A330.4010709@cmosnetworks.com> But then we've got to make sure that the standalone workstations (Windows, Mac, whatever) don't respond to the K12LTSP server's DHCP server. That's the bigger problem. The K12LTSP clients may not respond to the pre-existing (Windows-based) DHCP server, but the existing LAN workstations will happily respond to the K12LTSP server's DHCP server, and that can cause major problems without involving the IT staff of the school. Also, there may or may not be other issues of policy preventing more than one DHCP server on the LAN. I know there is in my district. --TP Dan Bo wrote: >OK, ,I held off talking because I was sure that >someone would mentione this, but why not use the VCI >switch on Romomatic?: >'REQUIRE_VCI_ETHERBOOT > Require an encapsulated Vendor Class Identifier of >"Etherboot" in the DHCP reply Requires DHCP support. >Enabling this makes the boot ROM require a Vendor >Class Identifier of "Etherboot" in the Vendor >Encapsulated Options This can be used to reject >replies from servers other than the one we want to >give out addresses to us, but it will prevent >Etherboot from getting an IP lease until you have >configured DHCPD correctly.' > >You can operate two DHCP servers on the same port, but >the Etherbooted computer will only respond to the one >that specifies that it is for Etherboot. No messy >setup. No recompiling. > >Dan > > >>That would mean he's still using the K12LTSP DHCP >>server, though. >>Personally, I would consider this a major >>improvement over the Windows >>DHCP server, but he may have Layer 8 issues getting >>in his way. >> >>However, I know from experience that, running on a >>386-33 w/ 32MB DRAM, >>ISC DHCPD can easily--EASILY--handle a large (1,000+ >>computers) high >>school. We did just this at several schools back in >>the Red Hat Linux >>5.2 days w/ nary a hiccup. That was actually part >>of the justification >>to get DHCP off the Windows servers. :-) >> >> > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 17 11:35:35 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:35:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: 2 dhcp servers! In-Reply-To: <200405161828.32202.robark@telus.net> References: <200405162228.i4GMS7o05558@downeast.net> <200405161828.32202.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <40A8A387.8030407@cmosnetworks.com> I wouldn't do it that way. I'd use a single-NIC K12LTSP server install, using just eth0. Matter of fact, that's exactly how I do it in practice. eth0 is plugged straight into the LAN switch, and there is not eth1. I find it a whole lot easier this way. --TP Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Is it ok if both eth0 and eth1 are plugged into the same hub? >If I use the non-standard port method then eth1 will use the schools dhcp >server and eth0 will broadcast on a non-standard port. Will this work? > >Robert Arkiletian > >On Sunday 16 May 2004 4:39 pm, you wrote: > > >>\ >>btw can you at least get them to reserve out a set of addresses you can >>use??my network is 10.10.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0..windowshas exception for >>10.10.10.10 which is where i run my dhcp >> >>otherwise you can ues default 192.168 but you need to nics..one for ltsp >>ont to route addresses to the regular >>network..chuck >> >>--------------------------------------------- >>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>http://ellsworthme.com/ >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From faengoy at yahoo.com Mon May 17 15:00:20 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 08:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 74 In-Reply-To: <20040517113550.40CBB739C3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040517150020.28272.qmail@web20729.mail.yahoo.com> OK, from the Etherboot Website: ------------------------------------------------ The first part is Etherboot contains code that when it sends out a DHCPDISCOVER request, a tag containing a Vendor Class Identifier of "Etherboot-x.y" is sent out, where x.y is the version number, currently 5.0. The 5 and the 0 are printable digits, not binary values, i.e. byte values 53 and 48 respectively. This allows the server to identify Etherboot clients and ignore all others. The second part is Etherboot can be conditionally compiled to require a Vendor Encapsulated Option containing a VCI of "Etherboot", otherwise it will ignore the DHCPOFFER. The option is not compiled in by default because it would cause Etherboot to not boot in plain setups. The server we want to respond will include this tag in DHCPOFFERs and while other servers (e.g. Windows servers) may respond, they will be ignored. ------------------------------------ This means that only the Etherboot clients will get answers and that they will get it only from the DHCP server requested. There may very well be an answer and a lease from another server, but is that really important? As to school policy on such matters, I can't answer, but we were talking about using different ports, which I don't think would be viewed any differently than this setup. Do it on a test LAN first with a regular DHCP client to check that it's not getting any answers before you put it live, Dan ================================================ From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 2 DHCP Servers To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <40A8A330.4010709 at cmosnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed But then we've got to make sure that the standalone workstations (Windows, Mac, whatever) don't respond to the K12LTSP server's DHCP server. That's the bigger problem. The K12LTSP clients may not respond to the pre-existing (Windows-based) DHCP server, but the existing LAN workstations will happily respond to the K12LTSP server's DHCP server, and that can cause major problems without involving the IT staff of the school. Also, there may or may not be other issues of policy preventing more than one DHCP server on the LAN. I know there is in my district. ================================================== ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Sun May 16 23:48:52 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:48:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Raid 0 In-Reply-To: <1084570716.2176.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I am installing on the disk, I could use more specific info, what partitions do I need to create and what size? I am new to linux, and this is to be an experimental lab. A server with 10 terminals for the elementary Special Ed.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:39 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Raid 0 On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 16:45, Rick O'Dell wrote: > I'm trying to set up a raid, using MCI motherboard with a > onboard ATA 133 controller, two 10 gig hard drives. I obviously don't > have a clue what I'm doing, but I would like to stripe these drives. I > have done this with windows but I'm having trouble with LTSP 4.01. I > don't know how to partition the HD's correctly.... Could someone > please walk me through the setup.... > Thanks, Rick. If you are installing on them there are a couple of ways you can do it in the diskdruid GUI. I've only done RAID1 but the approach should be the same. Create the per-disk partitions you want first, setting the type as raid, then select them and create the raid set with the mount point, filesystem type, and raid level. If you have a working system and are adding new drives, fdisk the partitions, setting the type as FD (raid autodetect), then create the raid with 'mdmadm --create ...'. There are some examples shown in 'man mdadm' (yum install mdadm if you don't have it). Then make the filesystem on the md device you just created and mount it. Be sure you understand that you multiply the chance of disk failure by the number of drives in a raid0... --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.241 / Virus Database: 262.10.0 - Release Date: 5/14/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.241 / Virus Database: 262.10.0 - Release Date: 5/14/2004 From les at futuresource.com Mon May 17 15:56:46 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:56:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Raid 0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084809406.19888.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> > I am installing on the disk, I could use more specific info, what > partitions do I need to create and what size? I am new to linux, and this is > to be an experimental lab. If I were doing it myself, I'd put / and /home on separate drives instead of striping. Letting the heads seek independently is probably more of a win than combining the transfer rate. With that approach you would want about 100 Megs for /boot, 1 to 2 gigs of swap, and the rest for / on /dev/hda, and /home taking all of /hdc (assuming your 2nd drive is primary on the 2nd controller). If you really want raid0, first think about the size you want for each final partition, then create a raid partition with half that size on each drive, then combine them to get the md device with the right amount of space. There is less reason to keep /home as a separate partition with raid0, but it might still be worthwhile when you upgrade to a newer release because you can do a fresh install without reformatting /home if it is a separate partition. This avoids some possible problems you might have with upgrading a system in place and is usually faster if you know how to fix up the password file, etc. to get the users back. I always make /boot a separate small partion if the drive has more than 1024 cylinders to avoid any bios limits when booting, but I'm not sure if that is absolutely necessary these days. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mjenkins at breweredu.org Mon May 17 16:24:06 2004 From: mjenkins at breweredu.org (Mark Jenkins) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 12:24:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Raid 0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckacoroski at nsd.org Mon May 17 16:47:56 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:47:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Good buy on Dell desktops with 15" LCD - $474 after rebate Message-ID: <40A8ECBC.7080603@nsd.org> Dell is having a special with a free upgrade to a 15" LCD monitor. I think these would be great as low cost terminals. Check out: http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?CS=19&kc=6V588&oc=D24TVP cheers, ski From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Mon May 17 16:47:09 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:47:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board In-Reply-To: <40A3993D.1090407@maltzen.net> References: <40A3993D.1090407@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1084812429.22679.22.camel@crux> It worked for me: K12LTSP release 4.0.1-1, Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) using Mozilla 1.41 (that came with the distribution) and Java(TM) Plug-in 1.4.2_02-b03 (that I got using the link on root's desktop) on a Compaq ProLiant DL380 Remote Insight Lights-Out Edition Version 2.41 I leave the console in text mode on tty1. hope this helps. -- Pat Healy On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 08:50, Petre Scheie wrote: > I have an off-topic question: Is anyone using Compaqs with Remote Insight > Lights-Out boards? And more to the point, if so, have you got Mozilla running > the java app to bring up the remote console? > > (I find it frustratingly ironic that I frequently have problems with java apps > running through Mozilla on Linux but those same apps work fine through IE.) > > Petre > -- Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School 43-570 Phyllis Jackson Lane Palm Desert, CA 92260 760-862-4300 x2303 From les at futuresource.com Mon May 17 22:01:35 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:01:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Raid 0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084831294.31531.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:24, Mark Jenkins wrote: > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-6.2-Manual/ref-guide/ch-raid.html It's probably better to use the RH9 manual. For anyone who hasn't already found them, start at: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/ Partitioning info is at http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-diskpartitioning.html#S2-DISKPARTRECOMMEND and RAID is at http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/ch-software-raid.html --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Mon May 17 22:40:46 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:40:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Raid 0 In-Reply-To: <1084831294.31531.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info. I think we can make it work..... Thanks a lot to all who responded... I do appreciate the help... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:02 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Raid 0 On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:24, Mark Jenkins wrote: > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-6.2-Manual/ref-guide/ch-raid.ht ml It's probably better to use the RH9 manual. For anyone who hasn't already found them, start at: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/ Partitioning info is at http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-diskp artitioning.html#S2-DISKPARTRECOMMEND and RAID is at http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/ch-softwa re-raid.html --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.241 / Virus Database: 262.10.1 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.241 / Virus Database: 262.10.1 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 From Yoni at kallay.net Mon May 17 23:30:58 2004 From: Yoni at kallay.net (Jonathan Kallay) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 16:30:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vulnerabilities? Message-ID: <24c8e6def4964811b078032918f64f8f@kallay.net> Hi all, I'm trying to push K12LTSP to the district IT office. The managers are in a strange position where they seem to be tiptoeing around the 'techies' to which they have outsourced some of the network administration. These 'techies' refuse to have anything to do with a single Linux box on a network of several thousand computers, professing at once both ignorance about Linux and at the same time spouting all kinds of misinformation about how open source software is insecure. I've been told that it would be to my benefit to identify what the big Linux security holes are, to 'get everything out in the open,' so to speak. Because of the openness of the operating system, the only security holes I know of are simply the result of system admin error or ignorance. Can anyone help me out? Jonathan From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon May 17 23:51:51 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:51:51 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vulnerabilities? Message-ID: "Jonathan Kallay" wrote: >> I've been told that it would be to my benefit to identify what the big Linux security holes are, to 'get everything out in the open,' so to speak. Because of the openness of the operating system, the only security holes I know of are simply the result of system admin error or ignorance. Can anyone help me out? << About the only "hole" by default on a RH9 or K12LTSP installation is that NFS is usually enabled by default. A quick series of chkconfig and service stop commands will shut that off, however. >From that point on, it's a matter of good system administration practices: selection of strong passwords, not using protocols which pass the password over the network as cleartext (i.e. use SSH by default for everything), ensure you subscribe to vendors' security mailing lists, ensure patches are applied in a timely fashion usiing RHN, yum or apt-rpm, etc. If it would help, I can let you have an early copy of a table I've prepared which maps the features and subsystems in Linux against the controls in Appendix A of AS/NZS 7799.2:2003, "Information Security Management - Specification for Information Security Management System". I'd have to say that, as a security professional, I'd much rather work on Linux systems than deal with the constant patching and disinfecting that's necessary in the Windows world. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon May 17 23:47:57 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 16:47:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vulnerabilities? In-Reply-To: <24c8e6def4964811b078032918f64f8f@kallay.net> Message-ID: <002601c43c69$616295e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Jonathan, I'm not really new to Linux, but am new to administrating linux at the enterprise level. I've been rooted once(that I know of) =) and it was a published security hole that I was oblivious to, back in '99. I didn't know where to look, I didn't know how to update... That was when I was completely new...now I know where to look for most things...and constastly update packages(might be ill-advised on some systems) In that same amount of time...I've had zero failures from the OS...zero downtime due to security holes(on linux systems)...and have had nightmare upon nightmare from Windows products...mostly because patches don't come out until after half-a-dozen or so students who think "hacking" is kewl..find these exploits before windows update has updates posted. this has been my personal experience...but I will have to say .. with Novell as a server OS, I've also had zero downtime from security holes...but I did have to pay monetarily for it =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Kallay Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 4:31 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vulnerabilities? Hi all, I'm trying to push K12LTSP to the district IT office. The managers are in a strange position where they seem to be tiptoeing around the 'techies' to which they have outsourced some of the network administration. These 'techies' refuse to have anything to do with a single Linux box on a network of several thousand computers, professing at once both ignorance about Linux and at the same time spouting all kinds of misinformation about how open source software is insecure. I've been told that it would be to my benefit to identify what the big Linux security holes are, to 'get everything out in the open,' so to speak. Because of the openness of the operating system, the only security holes I know of are simply the result of system admin error or ignorance. Can anyone help me out? Jonathan _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 17 23:51:30 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:51:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vulnerabilities? In-Reply-To: <24c8e6def4964811b078032918f64f8f@kallay.net> References: <24c8e6def4964811b078032918f64f8f@kallay.net> Message-ID: <40A95002.50108@cmosnetworks.com> An exhaustive list of the "vulnerabilities" of *any* operating system would fill a several-thousand-page book, be it Windows, GNU/Linux, *BSD, OS/2, MVS, or otherwise. What should be addressed, from the perspective of "holes" in the software itself, is how quickly the holes get fixed in the Free Software Community, versus the "closed-source" proprietary world of Microsoft and Sun. Remind them that most bugs in Free Software get fixed within a few days, tops. By contrast, bugs in Windows most often take several *months* to get fixed. Witness the vulnerabilities that allowed Code Red, Nimda, Slammer, MSBlaster, Nachi, SoBig, Netsky, and, the most recent to date, Sasser, to proliferate on Windows systems, and this will continue. Another thing that should be addressed is how GNU/Linux, and certainly K12LTSP, is run. Users don't run as "Administrator" on K12LTSP. No, no nonononono.... They run as unprivileged users, always, unless someone explicitly sets their userID to 0, and only root can do that. It sounds like these "techies" are paper MCSEs scared of losing their jobs. I've met far too many like that throughout my career. You'll just have to go over their heads. --TP Jonathan Kallay wrote: >Hi all, > I'm trying to push K12LTSP to the district IT office. The managers are in a strange position where they seem to be tiptoeing around the 'techies' to which they have outsourced some of the network administration. These 'techies' refuse to have anything to do with a single Linux box on a network of several thousand computers, professing at once both ignorance about Linux and at the same time spouting all kinds of misinformation about how open source software is insecure. I've been told that it would be to my benefit to identify what the big Linux security holes are, to 'get everything out in the open,' so to speak. Because of the openness of the operating system, the only security holes I know of are simply the result of system admin error or ignorance. Can anyone help me out? > >Jonathan > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 18 00:03:18 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:03:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager Message-ID: <002701c43c6b$861c8600$1803010a@paasda.org> Hrmph... after trying and trying and trying to get Nvu's Site Manager to go retrieve the entire website for a school I service to show them they don't need frontpage for simple website design classes(I used to force kids to use notepad *muahaha*)....I can't get it to retrieve the files from the remote server. apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g. 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means.. for instance...when I ftp to the location(fictional) I do the following at the CLI: ftp frank.smith.net login: huck password: huckspassword then voila ... do 'ls' and the 'www' directory is there of course... so can someone throw me a bone as to what NVU requires? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samps at redjocks.com Tue May 18 00:11:12 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:41:12 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager In-Reply-To: <002701c43c6b$861c8600$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <002701c43c6b$861c8600$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40A954A0.8070307@redjocks.com> Huck wrote: > then voila ... do 'ls' and the 'www' directory is there of course... > so can someone throw me a bone as to what NVU requires? > > > ... maybe, are you using a proxy? I've found that it doesn't work well with transparent proxying. If I connect through modem to my ISP it works fine, if I go through our schools hierarchy of Squid proxies it will wait indefinitely. The developer has been notified but I haven't had a reply. cheers Samps From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Tue May 18 00:31:11 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:31:11 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager Message-ID: "Huck" wrote: >> I can't get it to retrieve the files from the remote server. apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g. 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means.. << Huck, have you tried using an http:// URL, rather than an FTP one? Most web page design tools I've seen have used http to *fetch* the pages - after all, that's the protocol the web server uses - and then uses FTP to publish or upload them. I just used an http:// URL to fetch my own home page with Nvu, using File -> Open Web Location, and it worked like I'd expect. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From ckjohnson at gwi.net Tue May 18 00:26:07 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:26:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vulnerabilities? In-Reply-To: <24c8e6def4964811b078032918f64f8f@kallay.net> References: <24c8e6def4964811b078032918f64f8f@kallay.net> Message-ID: <40A9581F.30104@gwi.net> Jonathan Kallay wrote: >Hi all, > I'm trying to push K12LTSP to the district IT office. The managers are in a strange position where they seem to be tiptoeing around the 'techies' to which they have outsourced some of the network administration. These 'techies' refuse to have anything to do with a single Linux box on a network of several thousand computers, professing at once both ignorance about Linux and at the same time spouting all kinds of misinformation about how open source software is insecure. I've been told that it would be to my benefit to identify what the big Linux security holes are, to 'get everything out in the open,' so to speak. Because of the openness of the operating system, the only security holes I know of are simply the result of system admin error or ignorance. Can anyone help me out? > >Jonathan > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > That in a nutshell is it. There are of course security flaws discovered and patched on a regular basis, but Linux's record on the number of flaws, their severity, and fixes promptly being made available is very good compared to Windows. The concept that open source software is inherently less secure is completely wrong. It makes no more sense than someone arguing that food you buy which documents its ingredients on the label must be worse than food which doesn't. I concur with the several replies before this, but if your district needs someone more credible to counter the current network outsource people's opinions... http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/files/LINUXExecutiveReportebookletFINAL.zip It's just a zipped pdf which touches on lots of good IT executive questions about Linux and answers, including security: pg 35 - "As mentioned, security is one of the key driving factors for the use of Linux and open source software in Germany in the public sector... Open source software offers a lot of advantages in regard to security..." -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Tue May 18 00:50:14 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:50:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Watching the User's web traffic... In-Reply-To: <40A4FBDF.9060802@esd165.org> Message-ID: How did you get google traffic to run in safemode??. - jamie On 5/14/04 10:03 AM, "Matthew Ross" wrote: > george kocke wrote: > >> LTSP server is running identd. I do the following to monitor web >> traffic: >> >> tail -f /var/log/dansguardian/access.log >> >> I also wrote a Perl script to monitor Google searches. >> >> The only problem I've run into is that identd on the LTSP box was >> hogging the CPU when there was lots of surfing happening at once. >> However, this problem *seems* to not be as bad since I moved the >> cache/filter server to a much more powerful machine. >> >> Which filter are you using? >> >> > Ah, why didn't I think of identd? I should have known that. Sm:)e. > > We are using the content filtering provided by our SonicWall firewall. > It's very inexpensive (compared to most other hardware solutions) and > has been very dependable. Thanks to my squid proxy and a little > squidguard hack I picked up from this list, all google traffic is forced > into safemode as well. > > Thanks for the hint. > > --Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From troybanther at plateautel.net Tue May 18 01:46:37 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:46:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vulnerabilities? In-Reply-To: <24c8e6def4964811b078032918f64f8f@kallay.net> References: <24c8e6def4964811b078032918f64f8f@kallay.net> Message-ID: <1084844797.4128.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> That's because they probably are afraid to show their ignorance of Linux. On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 17:30, Jonathan Kallay wrote: > Hi all, > I'm trying to push K12LTSP to the district IT office. The managers are in a strange position where they seem to be tiptoeing around the 'techies' to which they have outsourced some of the network administration. These 'techies' refuse to have anything to do with a single Linux box on a network of several thousand computers, professing at once both ignorance about Linux and at the same time spouting all kinds of misinformation about how open source software is insecure. I've been told that it would be to my benefit to identify what the big Linux security holes are, to 'get everything out in the open,' so to speak. Because of the openness of the operating system, the only security holes I know of are simply the result of system admin error or ignorance. Can anyone help me out? > > Jonathan > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- troy banther - fedora core linux user http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From robark at telus.net Tue May 18 02:51:14 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:51:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 DHCP Servers In-Reply-To: <40A8A330.4010709@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20040517005646.92357.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> <40A8A330.4010709@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200405171951.14294.robark@telus.net> Terrell, I also was concerned about this issue. However, I read this ========================================== The first part is Etherboot contains code that when it sends out a DHCPDISCOVER request, a tag containing a Vendor Class Identifier of "Etherboot" is sent out. This allows the server to identify Etherboot clients and ignore all others. ........... If you have a DHCP server already running for the subnet, you probably should specify that your additional ISC DHCPD server is not authoritative for the the subnet, or it will veto (NAK) existing client IP address allocations, upsetting the status quo. ========================================== here http://www.etherboot.org/doc/html/userman/x126.html According to this, the k12ltsp server should ignore OTHER ip requests. So today at work I tried this approach. 1) I downloaded and copied new .zdsk image for my floppies from rom-o-matic but I enabled REQUIRE_VCI_ETHERBOOT in the options. 2) I include the line not authoritative; and option vendor-encapsulated-options 3c:09:45:74:68:65:72:62:6f:6f:74:ff; #which stands for 9 bytes and hex code for "Etherboot" in my dhcpd.conf file 3) restarted dhcp service and all my clients got ip's from my k12ltsp server. None got ip's from the school. Hurray!!! However, all got stuck at Running dhclient mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 and would NOT boot. So I disabled eth1 (ifdown eth1) and suddenly ALL clients booted perfectly. Hurray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Both eth1 and eth0 are plugged into the same hub (I too wish it was a switch, chuck). I'm not sure why eth1 makes such a difference. In any case once all the clients are booted up I (ifup eth1) and internet is back and all is well. Just to make sure that the other windows boxes in the school (connected to the same hub) were not affected. I tracked them down and rebooted them (cold boot) while my dhcp was up and NONE of them got an ip from my server. Another Hurray!!! Seems like the "Etherboot" check worked for both server and client. Wondering if anyone knows what's up with eth1 issue? Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary On Monday 17 May 2004 4:34 am, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > But then we've got to make sure that the standalone workstations > (Windows, Mac, whatever) don't respond to the K12LTSP server's DHCP > server. That's the bigger problem. The K12LTSP clients may not respond > to the pre-existing (Windows-based) DHCP server, but the existing LAN > workstations will happily respond to the K12LTSP server's DHCP server, > and that can cause major problems without involving the IT staff of the > school. > From tim at litwiller.net Tue May 18 00:11:02 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:11:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager In-Reply-To: <002701c43c6b$861c8600$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <002701c43c6b$861c8600$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40A95496.10205@litwiller.net> Huck wrote: > Hrmph... > after trying and trying and trying to get Nvu's Site Manager to go > retrieve the entire website for a school I service to show them they > don't need frontpage for simple website design classes(I used to force > kids to use notepad *muahaha*)....I can't get it to retrieve the files > from the remote server. > > apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g. > 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means.. > > for instance...when I ftp to the location(fictional) I do the > following at the CLI: > > ftp frank.smith.net > login: huck > password: huckspassword > > then voila ... do 'ls' and the 'www' directory is there of course... > so can someone throw me a bone as to what NVU requires? > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > using the same fictional information ftp://frank.smith.net username huck password huckspassword From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Tue May 18 03:53:32 2004 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 21:53:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager In-Reply-To: <002701c43c6b$861c8600$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <002701c43c6b$861c8600$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40A988BC.7040801@physics.isu.edu> Huck wrote: > Hrmph... > after trying and trying and trying to get Nvu's Site Manager to go > retrieve the entire website for a school I service to show them they > don't need frontpage for simple website design classes(I used to force > kids to use notepad *muahaha*)....I can't get it to retrieve the files > from the remote server. > > apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g. > 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means.. > > for instance...when I ftp to the location(fictional) I do the > following at the CLI: > > ftp frank.smith.net > login: huck > password: huckspassword > > then voila ... do 'ls' and the 'www' directory is there of course... > so can someone throw me a bone as to what NVU requires? > Huck, I don't have nvu loaded here, but I have seen other tools (mostly web browsers, but this is built from mozilla) that require the ftp address as: ftp://user at site.com It will then prompt for a password. or ftp://user:password at site.com (be careful not to save the seesion an store your password this way) So using your example it would be ftp://huck at frank.smith.net Maybe you could try this format. ben From mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk Tue May 18 08:42:35 2004 From: mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk (Martin Stevens) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:42:35 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Printing In-Reply-To: <20040514155347.94133.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040514155347.94133.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1084869754.25074.5.camel@mercury> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 16:53, xyz xyz wrote: > Students have been printing large volumes of documents > and this is causing a problem from a cost perspective. > How do I go about limiting printing for individual > users?? > Remove all the toner cartridges ? But seriously, is it one or two students that abuse the system or all of them. http://phpprintanalyze.sourceforge.net/ Would be a start, so you can see who is using the most. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue May 18 11:53:37 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 07:53:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 DHCP Servers In-Reply-To: <200405171951.14294.robark@telus.net> References: <20040517005646.92357.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> <40A8A330.4010709@cmosnetworks.com> <200405171951.14294.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <40A9F941.3010509@cmosnetworks.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >However, all got stuck at > >Running dhclient >mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 > >and would NOT boot. > >So I disabled eth1 (ifdown eth1) and suddenly ALL clients booted perfectly. >Hurray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Both eth1 and eth0 are plugged into the same hub (I too wish it was a switch, >chuck). I'm not sure why eth1 makes such a difference. In any case once all >the clients are booted up I (ifup eth1) and internet is back and all is well. > > > > >Wondering if anyone knows what's up with eth1 issue? > >Robert Arkiletian >Eric Hamber Secondary > > Sounds like you may be running into a routing problem. That's why I run a single-NIC K12LTSP server, which is effectively exactly what you're doing right now, after shutting down eth1. It sounds like you're hooking up your thin clients to the school's existing LAN infrastructure, just like I do. That calls for a single-NIC K12LTSP install. The other advantage of the single-NIC install is that other boxes on the LAN, e. g. Windows and Mac "fat clients", can use the K12LTSP box as a file server via Samba and Netatalk, respectively. If you do wish to run a dual-NIC K12LTSP server, as is diagrammed on www.k12ltsp.org, then you've got to either run VLANs (which means managed switches and nothing less), or you've got to have two physically separated Layer 3 segments. eth0 would be on one and eth1 would be on the other. Your thin clients would all need to be on the physical segment attached to eth0; any thin clients on the eth1 segment, in this kind of setup, will not work without tweaking. Note that eth1 is attached to the school LAN in this type of setup. --TP From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Tue May 18 11:57:05 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: 18 May 2004 07:57:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Watching the User's web traffic... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084881425.7684.7.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 20:50, Jamie McParland wrote: > How did you get google traffic to run in safemode??. > > - jamie > Eric hacked the capability to force google to safemode into squidGuard. I think k12ltsp version 1.2.0-7 was the first to have it. Presumably this capability has been carried forward into subsequent versions too. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Hurry! Hire a teenager while they still know everything!!! > > > > On 5/14/04 10:03 AM, "Matthew Ross" wrote: > > > george kocke wrote: > > > >> LTSP server is running identd. I do the following to monitor web > >> traffic: > >> > >> tail -f /var/log/dansguardian/access.log > >> > >> I also wrote a Perl script to monitor Google searches. > >> > >> The only problem I've run into is that identd on the LTSP box was > >> hogging the CPU when there was lots of surfing happening at once. > >> However, this problem *seems* to not be as bad since I moved the > >> cache/filter server to a much more powerful machine. > >> > >> Which filter are you using? > >> > >> > > Ah, why didn't I think of identd? I should have known that. Sm:)e. > > > > We are using the content filtering provided by our SonicWall firewall. > > It's very inexpensive (compared to most other hardware solutions) and > > has been very dependable. Thanks to my squid proxy and a little > > squidguard hack I picked up from this list, all google traffic is forced > > into safemode as well. > > > > Thanks for the hint. > > > > --Matt > > From petre at maltzen.net Tue May 18 14:07:39 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:07:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board In-Reply-To: <40A60B06.1050701@gwi.net> References: <20040514020254.PFAM22519.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <40A532E0.4040809@maltzen.net> <40A60B06.1050701@gwi.net> Message-ID: <40AA18AB.9080708@maltzen.net> Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> The problem appears to be with Moz loading the java at startup. I've >> got the symlink to the java in my ~/.mozilla/plugins, but when I >> startup Moz, I get this: >> >> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library >> /opt/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so >> [/opt/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so: >> undefined symbol: _ZdlPv] >> >> I had installed the java from the rpm file that Sun provides. I also >> tried the plain tarball file, and got the same error, which makes me >> think the problem may be with Moz not java. I'm running Moz 1.6b >> where b stands for beta, and I think I'll try the later 1.6 release. >> I've also downloaded the blackdown java to see if that makes a >> difference (haven't installed it yet, though). > > > http://mailman.u.washington.edu/pipermail/linux/2003-November/007205.html > > Which Linux version are you running? (Might be as easy to answer as cat > /etc/redhat-release) > I'm running RH 8.0 / LTSP 3.0.4 / K12LTSP 3.0.1 From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Tue May 18 12:04:33 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:04:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vulnerabilities? In-Reply-To: <002601c43c69$616295e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <2535714838.1084867473@[10.2.60.5]> Hi Jonathan, First, ditto's to Huck. "Out sourced techies" huh...You mean the ones with their Microsoft certifications ;) Just a joke...their are lots of MS certified guys that know their stuff. Sure they spent a mint getting certified and anything new scares the crap out of them. How can anyone say security and Microsoft in the same sentence ? IMHO there is a huge difference between patching an issue with a package or service for example httpd vs. having RPC issues in the core of an OS. I am having the same issue moving a church group from IIS to Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP. Man ! that gets me fired up. Have a nice day, Tom Ventresco Austintown Local Schools From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 18 15:29:47 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:29:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager In-Reply-To: <40A954A0.8070307@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <000001c43cec$f3e5f960$1803010a@paasda.org> am doing trans proxy...squid...with dansguardian... but am using the default 3128 port to go through unfiltered... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Samps Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:11 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager Huck wrote: > then voila ... do 'ls' and the 'www' directory is there of course... > so can someone throw me a bone as to what NVU requires? > > > ... maybe, are you using a proxy? I've found that it doesn't work well with transparent proxying. If I connect through modem to my ISP it works fine, if I go through our schools hierarchy of Squid proxies it will wait indefinitely. The developer has been notified but I haven't had a reply. cheers Samps _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Tue May 18 10:50:33 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:50:33 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Sagebrush Spectrum Client Message-ID: <1084877433.6133.2.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> Hi, Does any one know of a Linux client for Sagebrush Spectrum Patron's Catalog? Or a client that is compatible with it. Just something that will let the students search for books without having to switch to a new system. Thanks, -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District (715) 327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Tue May 18 16:03:20 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 11:03:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Sagebrush Spectrum Client In-Reply-To: <1084877433.6133.2.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> References: <1084877433.6133.2.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> Message-ID: <62222.170.211.161.223.1084896200.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Justin Paulsen said: > Hi, > > Does any one know of a Linux client for Sagebrush Spectrum Patron's > Catalog? Or a client that is compatible with it. Just something that > will let the students search for books without having to switch to a new > system. I think people have been getting the plugin from sagebrush that makes it web enabled. That way you can browse via webbrowser....which works with linux. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue May 18 16:04:07 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (Norbert) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:04:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 2.6 kernel on 4.0.1? Message-ID: <5C4BB683.0A3844E8.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Eric, I've freed one of my servers to try the upgrade, owever after the download I get that the package is not signed with a GPG signature & then aborts, any ideas... thanks norbert Eric Harrison wrote: >On Sat, 15 May 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > >>For my next trick I am considering actually updating to a 2.6 kernel. >>Anyone using 2.6 now? >>I've never updated a kernel besides with yum or apt. >>I found this: >>http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20040315152255759 >>Is this advisable for a largely clueless newbie (2 years using k12ltsp)? >>I'm always eager to learn more, but not at the expense of hosery. >>(well, except that it gives me excuses to annoy the good folk on this >>list with more stupid questions...) >>The howto makes it look rather simple. >>Or, is there a 2.6 in our repos, so I could do a >>yum install kernel-2.6...? >> >>tony > >This is *not* a good idea, but it is fun ;-) > >I've done this on a few systems (K12LTSP 3.1.2, not K12LTSP 4.0.1) >without a problem, but your milage may vary. Have good backups... > > >edit /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources, and uncomment the line: > > apt arjan-2.6-kernel-i386 http://people.redhat.com ~arjanv/2.5/ kernel > > >you should now be able to run this command to install a 2.6 + all of >the needed utilities: > > up2date -i -f kernel > >Good luck ;-) > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From jritchie at bible.edu Tue May 18 16:17:54 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:17:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Printing In-Reply-To: <1084869754.25074.5.camel@mercury> References: <20040514155347.94133.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> <1084869754.25074.5.camel@mercury> Message-ID: <1084897074.7506.211.camel@penguin> On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 04:42, Martin Stevens wrote: > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 16:53, xyz xyz wrote: > > Students have been printing large volumes of documents > > and this is causing a problem from a cost perspective. > > How do I go about limiting printing for individual > > users?? > > > > Remove all the toner cartridges ? > > But seriously, is it one or two students that abuse the system or all of > them. > > http://phpprintanalyze.sourceforge.net/ > > Would be a start, so you can see who is using the most. You could setup a group of people allowed to print in /etc/group (or KDE's tool for it). Then set permissions on your print devices to that group. Shouldn't that do the trick? I haven't actually done that with a printer before so I'm not sure it would, but it works on things like USB Sticks, etc and I've heard the same things works for peripheral devices. JSR/ From shahms at shahms.com Tue May 18 16:58:36 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:58:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Printing In-Reply-To: <1084897074.7506.211.camel@penguin> References: <20040514155347.94133.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> <1084869754.25074.5.camel@mercury> <1084897074.7506.211.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1084899516.23547.1.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> RTFM ;-) http://www.cups.org/sam.html#4_3_6 You can set per-printer quotas that are tracker per-user. On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 09:17, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 04:42, Martin Stevens wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 16:53, xyz xyz wrote: > > > Students have been printing large volumes of documents > > > and this is causing a problem from a cost perspective. > > > How do I go about limiting printing for individual > > > users?? > > > > > > > Remove all the toner cartridges ? > > > > But seriously, is it one or two students that abuse the system or all of > > them. > > > > http://phpprintanalyze.sourceforge.net/ > > > > Would be a start, so you can see who is using the most. > > You could setup a group of people allowed to print in /etc/group (or > KDE's tool for it). Then set permissions on your print devices to that > group. Shouldn't that do the trick? I haven't actually done that with a > printer before so I'm not sure it would, but it works on things like USB > Sticks, etc and I've heard the same things works for peripheral devices. > > JSR/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Shahms King From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Tue May 18 17:38:16 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:38:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Watching the User's web traffic... In-Reply-To: <1084881425.7684.7.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: Hmm.. I need that functionality for our district wide squid/squidguard server. Not an LTSP lab. Was it some sort of ACL in the squidguard conf? jamie On 5/18/04 4:57 AM, "Mike Rambo" wrote: > On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 20:50, Jamie McParland wrote: >> How did you get google traffic to run in safemode??. >> >> - jamie >> > > Eric hacked the capability to force google to safemode into squidGuard. > I think k12ltsp version 1.2.0-7 was the first to have it. Presumably > this capability has been carried forward into subsequent versions too. > > From jfaletra at sau16.org Tue May 18 17:40:01 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:40:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba Message-ID: Ok folks this one is making me nuts. I am trying to join and XP system to a Samba domain. I am using K12LTSP running samba, Here is the smb.conf: # Date: 2004/05/14 10:12:23 # Global parameters [global] os level = 32 workgroup = NEWFIELDS domain logons = Yes dns proxy = No passwd program = /usr/sbin/passwd %u socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 local master = yes netbios name = k12ltsp ldap ssl = no max log size = 50 logon home = \\k12ltsp\%U min passwd length = 2 pam password change = yes log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log security = domain unix password sync = yes domain master = yes wins support = true encrypt passwords = yes logon drive = h:// [homes] comment = Home Directories read only = No browseable = No writable = yes valid users = %S create mode = 0600 directory mode = 0700 logon home = \\k12ltsp\%U hide files = /*.pst/ When I try to connect a machine (SAU-SPDC-0008 machine name) to the NEWFIELDS domain I get: The following error occurred attempting to join the domain "NEWFIELDS" The username could not be found. I am also running SME server. DHCP has been disabled on SME. User accounts are on the K12LTSP box. THere is one user account on SME. Which adds another question, how do I tell that the K12LTSP server is the only one authenticating??? Joe Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From jfaletra at sau16.org Tue May 18 17:45:14 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:45:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Segmentation Fault Message-ID: I am trying to install the usershellaccess from dungog.net and everytime I tru to: rpm -Uvh filname.rpm I get Segmentarion Fault Any ideas? I tried rebooting the entire system (Sorry, I can't get out of windows mode) but no luck. Joe Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Tue May 18 17:47:57 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:47:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64446.170.211.161.223.1084902477.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Joe Faletra said: > Ok folks this one is making me nuts. I am trying to join and XP system > to a Samba domain. Have you done the windows xp registry mod (disable sign secure channel (always) in local policy.) -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From jneiffer at neiffer.com Tue May 18 17:51:12 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 11:51:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me convince. :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200405181751.i4IHpWHA017414@mx3.redhat.com> Hello, I have been running K12LTSP for the past year in my classroom: one Dell server (self-purchased) running both version 3 and then 4 to run 8 classroom workstations. It has been amazing: NO downtime, NO virus problems, and, as a surprise to me: the kids love it. I am moving districts in the fall and the district tech staff has already said that Linux is... too risky, too insecure, and too hard to manage. Now, I can handle management chores myself (no problem!) but I was wondering if anyone would offered some brief words on security and the fact that you haven't had any virus problems, etc. I know it's simply fear and inexperience driving this but pointing that out won't help. :) Thoughts? Jason Montana :) From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Tue May 18 18:00:14 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:00:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Help me convince. :) In-Reply-To: <200405181751.i4IHpWHA017414@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200405181751.i4IHpWHA017414@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <61416.170.211.161.223.1084903214.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Jason Neiffer said: > I know it's simply fear and inexperience driving this but pointing that out > won't help. :) Are you talking about implementing Linux in general or LTSP. If just terminal services....I would mention to them that there is just one linux machine on your lan to manage. Plus with its default design you can isolate it completely from their network...all it would need is a single external connection from the server to the outside world. They can't really count terminals as nodes since there is only one machine that could be "hacked"....that's the server. The server has a firewall in place by default that only allows ssh access on the external interface. With Novell pushing linux desktop solutions like no one else has before...you can bet we'll see linux virii and worms pop up more and more. Right now...virii in linux are hardly an issue. (Due to Linux's security model...I don't forsee this ever being as big a problem as it is with Microsoft.) We've already seen it in OSX recently...and it's unix. No software is invincible. The more popular it gets the more you're gonna have to watch yourself just like any other OS. That said...Linux *is* more secure by design than Microsoft. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Tue May 18 13:16:09 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:16:09 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Sagebrush Spectrum Client Message-ID: <1084886169.6133.6.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> The web based upgrade is expensive. Thats why I was looking for a client. I might do the web based if there is no other solution, but I want to be sure first. -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District (715) 327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue May 18 19:11:15 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:11:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Segmentation Fault In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084907474.16610.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 12:45, Joe Faletra wrote: > I am trying to install the usershellaccess from dungog.net and > everytime I tru to: > > rpm -Uvh filname.rpm > > I get Segmentarion Fault > > Any ideas? I tried rebooting the entire system (Sorry, I can't get out > of windows mode) but no luck. That sounds like you have an rpm made for the wrong SME version. If all you want to do is allow one or more users (besides root) to ssh into the system you can just edit the /etc/passwd file and change the last field (to the right of the last ':') to /bin/bash instead of /bin/sshell. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jfaletra at sau16.org Tue May 18 19:13:53 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:13:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba In-Reply-To: <64446.170.211.161.223.1084902477.squirrel@170.211.161.223> References: <64446.170.211.161.223.1084902477.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: I have done all of the registry tweaks and GP changes Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. 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From les at futuresource.com Tue May 18 19:18:43 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:18:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me convince. :) In-Reply-To: <200405181751.i4IHpWHA017414@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200405181751.i4IHpWHA017414@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1084907923.16610.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 12:51, Jason Neiffer wrote: > I am moving districts in the fall and the district tech staff has already > said that Linux is... too risky, too insecure, and too hard to manage. Now, > I can handle management chores myself (no problem!) but I was wondering if > anyone would offered some brief words on security and the fact that you > haven't had any virus problems, etc. > > I know it's simply fear and inexperience driving this but pointing that out > won't help. :) > > Thoughts? It may be difficult to get across that you are not installing a highly customized one-of-a-kind system. From time to time you should expect some problems with any complex operating system and set of applications so it is a good idea to plan ahead about what you will have to do to obtain and install the fixes. In this case it is: yum update I'm not sure you explain that to people who don't already understand it, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Tue May 18 19:14:54 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL 3 and LDAP Message-ID: <39295.10.20.1.133.1084907694.squirrel@postoffice> Is anyone currently running RHEL 3 with samba and LDAP support? I'm getting ready to tackle this beast again and need someone to bounce some questions off of. Specifically is samba 3.02 on RHEL 3 compiled with ldap support? ( I think I already know this but just asking) Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From mross at esd165.org Tue May 18 19:47:59 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:47:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Watching the User's web traffic... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40AA686F.7020601@esd165.org> Jamie McParland wrote: >Hmm.. I need that functionality for our district wide squid/squidguard >server. Not an LTSP lab. Was it some sort of ACL in the squidguard conf? > >jamie > > > Yes, I needed that for my district-wide squid server as well. Happily, it works fine for me once you apply the patches. I run a Debian squidbox, so I had to apply Eric's patch manualy then make my own .deb file. Took some hair pulling, but it's happy now. Basicaly, it is SquidGuard looking at the URL like normal, and if it matches your conditions, it redirects. What's special about his patch is that the redirection can be dynamic, thus you can just take the current requested URL and put "&safemode=active" at the end of it... forcing google to be in safemode. Look in the archives of the list for where he put his patch... I can't remeber off the top of my head. If you're running Debian, I might still have the .deb... Sm:)e. --Matt From shahms at shahms.com Tue May 18 19:49:42 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:49:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL 3 and LDAP In-Reply-To: <39295.10.20.1.133.1084907694.squirrel@postoffice> References: <39295.10.20.1.133.1084907694.squirrel@postoffice> Message-ID: <1084909781.23547.3.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Samba 3 has LDAP support. While it is possible to turn it off at compile time, the default is to include it. Using it is simply a matter of configuring Samba to look there rather than (or in addition) to the local database. On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 12:14, Michael Williams wrote: > Is anyone currently running RHEL 3 with samba and LDAP support? I'm > getting ready to tackle this beast again and need someone to bounce some > questions off of. Specifically is samba 3.02 on RHEL 3 compiled with ldap > support? ( I think I already know this but just asking) > > Michael -- Shahms King From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Tue May 18 20:01:23 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL 3 and LDAP In-Reply-To: <1084909781.23547.3.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <39295.10.20.1.133.1084907694.squirrel@postoffice> <1084909781.23547.3.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <40196.10.20.1.133.1084910483.squirrel@postoffice> > Samba 3 has LDAP support. While it is possible to turn it off at > compile time, the default is to include it. Using it is simply a matter > of configuring Samba to look there rather than (or in addition) to the > local database. > I ran rpm -qi samba but it does not mention ldap support, I thought I would load up the src rpm and see if I could tell if it had been turned off. michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 18 20:20:15 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:20:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL 3 and LDAP In-Reply-To: <1084909781.23547.3.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <39295.10.20.1.133.1084907694.squirrel@postoffice> <1084909781.23547.3.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Speaking of Samba/LDAP.... I am SO close! I have set up a Samba/LDAP server using K12LTSP 4.01 and Samba 3.02 (upgraded to 3.04) and it works....for the most part. I can add users...I can authenticate....I can add machines and join machines to the domain....the only thing I can't do is log on with any users. I'm using the smbldap-tools that come with Samba (and are from idealx.org). smbclient -L localhost -U testuser gives me NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE.....I also get the message below in the samba log of the machine I'm trying to log in from. Any ideas on what to try and how to troubleshoot this? I'm soooooooo close! [2004/05/11 17:50:22, 0] rpc_server/srv_pipe.c:api_pipe_netsec_process(1397) failed to decode PDU [2004/05/11 17:50:22, 0] rpc_server/srv_pipe_hnd.c:process_request_pdu(605) process_request_pdu: failed to do schannel processing. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 18 20:19:57 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:19:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c43d15$7d2375e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Thanks for all of the ideas guys...no luck on any of them.. in Firefox if I ftp://:@ it works fine... even ftp://@ works and just opens a little window to input passwd... but in Nvu no such luck... going to make updating the site a pain...(at least with this product for now) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Bell Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:31 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager "Huck" wrote: >> I can't get it to retrieve the files from the remote server. apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g. 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means.. << Huck, have you tried using an http:// URL, rather than an FTP one? Most web page design tools I've seen have used http to *fetch* the pages - after all, that's the protocol the web server uses - and then uses FTP to publish or upload them. I just used an http:// URL to fetch my own home page with Nvu, using File -> Open Web Location, and it worked like I'd expect. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 18 20:27:37 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:27:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OO Printing weirdness Message-ID: I recently got a bunch of Ricoh AP3200's as part of our copier contract....they work great...except.....I can't seem to get them to print in OpenOffice. Here's the deal....they work in any other program....and the weird thing is the test page works in the OO print admin, but NOT in any OO application. I'm using the postscript driver as they are postscript printers.... lpr -P name_of_printer and like I said...the test page works fine....I just can't print from any OO app. Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 18 20:30:05 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:30:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CMapTools and K12LTSP Message-ID: Ok....'nother issue. The other day I downloaded and installed this killer app (Inspiration look-alike) called CMapTools. It works great....for one user. Has anyone tried this app and does anyone have any ideas on how I can get it installed "multi-user" on the K12LTSP server? If we try to launch it with more than one user...ie: in class....one user gets it and the rest get "another instance of CMapTools is running...blah...blah". Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From tim at litwiller.net Tue May 18 20:40:28 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:40:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks Message-ID: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> I want to setup several logins for a public area of the library. I would like these to autologon to an account that opens a browser to the card catalog web page. I would also like the machine to log off and then back in if the browser window is closed. Has anyone done something like this? What would be the scurity issues I need to worry about? From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Tue May 18 20:28:29 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL 3 and LDAP In-Reply-To: References: <39295.10.20.1.133.1084907694.squirrel@postoffice> <1084909781.23547.3.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <40558.10.20.1.133.1084912109.squirrel@postoffice> > Speaking of Samba/LDAP.... > > I am SO close! I have set up a Samba/LDAP server using K12LTSP 4.01 and > Samba 3.02 > (upgraded to 3.04) and it works....for the most part. I can add > users...I can authenticate....I can add machines and join machines to > the > domain....the only thing I can't do is log on with any users. I'm using > the smbldap-tools that come with Samba (and are from idealx.org). > I'm familiar with the tools and rely on them quite a bit, but I'm just now dusting the cobwebs off all my notes and jumping back in. As I get back up to speed I'll let you know if we run into the same thing. I'm going to compare my notes against yours on the wiki and see if I can't get this going this week. > smbclient -L localhost -U testuser > > gives me NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE.....I also get the message below in > the samba log of the machine I'm trying to log in from. Any ideas on > what to try and how to troubleshoot this? I'm soooooooo close! > > [2004/05/11 17:50:22, 0] > rpc_server/srv_pipe.c:api_pipe_netsec_process(1397) > failed to decode PDU > [2004/05/11 17:50:22, 0] > rpc_server/srv_pipe_hnd.c:process_request_pdu(605) > process_request_pdu: failed to do schannel processing. > > I'll keep my eyes open and let you know if we duplicate this using RHEL 3 Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 18 20:45:54 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:45:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager In-Reply-To: <001301c43d15$7d2375e0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <001e01c43d19$21dd3b40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I have never used the software before but I just pulled up a screenshot of the software from their site to see what you are talking about. After looking at the "Publishing address (e.g.: 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'):" section and also seeing that there is login information below I may have an idea. It looks like you should treat it like a normail ftp client, give it the domain in the Publishing address section and the logon credentials in the Login Information section. So if ftp://username:password at ftp.yourdomain.com works in a Firefox then the Publishing address would be ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com and the Login information would be Username: username and Password: password. You may want to try and see if that works quick (if you haven't already). Now if inside that folder you have a public_html folder that the files have to reside in and you are unable to navigate there manually you may have to edit the Publishing address to be ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com/public_html so they export to the right location. Good luck > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:20 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager > > > Thanks for all of the ideas guys...no luck on any of them.. > in Firefox if I ftp://:@ it works fine... > even ftp://@ works and just opens a little > window to input passwd... > > but in Nvu no such luck... > going to make updating the site a pain...(at least with this > product for > now) > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Les Bell > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:31 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager > > > > "Huck" wrote: > > >> > I can't get it to retrieve the files from the remote server. > > apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g. > 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means.. > << > > Huck, have you tried using an http:// URL, rather than an FTP > one? Most web page design tools I've seen have used http to > *fetch* the pages - after all, that's the protocol the web > server uses - and then uses FTP to publish or upload them. > > I just used an http:// URL to fetch my own home page with > Nvu, using File > -> Open Web Location, and it worked like I'd expect. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkinz at kinz.org Tue May 18 20:46:18 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:46:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net>; from tim@litwiller.net on Tue, May 18, 2004 at 03:40:28PM -0500 References: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <20040518164618.A11803@redline.comcast.net> On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 03:40:28PM -0500, Tim Litwiller wrote: > I want to setup several logins for a public area of the library. > I would like these to autologon to an account that opens a browser to > the card catalog web page. > I would also like the machine to log off and then back in if the browser > window is closed. > > Has anyone done something like this? What would be the scurity issues I > need to worry about? Try this: In the /etc/passwd file, change the last field on the line (Specify's the user's login shell) to contain a command invoking the browser with a url to open. When the browser is closed the user is automatically logged out. If this fails, change the last fiels to a shell script that contains one line - a command invoking the browser with a URL. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz at kinz.org" is copyright 2004. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at www.kinz.org/policy.html (if you could get there .. ) From csitech at davisny.edu Tue May 18 20:52:03 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:52:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> References: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1084913522.6751.6.camel@localhost> We recently decided to go a slightly different route with our Library here. We put Cobind (www.cobind.com) on several IBM NetVista's and modified the desktop for the main login (username: library) so that students can only access Firefox and a telnet login to the Library card catalog. I'm personally hoping to motivate the Library staff to move their card catalog to something like Koha....but who knows? The way we did it isn't fool-proof, but it does keep the majority of our students from modifying anything. Of course, those who want to mess around with it can/could figure it out. But they generally lose privileges, and we just take twenty minutes to re-image the machine if anything extremely evil happens. This might not be what you're looking for...but I thought I would throw it out there anyway. -Calvin On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 16:40, Tim Litwiller wrote: > I want to setup several logins for a public area of the library. > I would like these to autologon to an account that opens a browser to > the card catalog web page. > I would also like the machine to log off and then back in if the browser > window is closed. > > Has anyone done something like this? What would be the scurity issues I > need to worry about? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 18 21:24:01 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:24:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager In-Reply-To: <001e01c43d19$21dd3b40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001501c43d1e$703744c0$1803010a@paasda.org> egads!!! finally... the transparent proxy deal works fine I guess... I was having the hanging indefinately and thought it was a "squid/dansguardian" issue... apparently no proxy settings required. yahoo! wonderific... I honestly don't understand how people can build any sort of a valid arguement against open source =) the tools, and software available are just awesome!!! even if it does take some tweaking to make it work... I suppose windows can just say "our software is for idiots" plug it in...and let it take you for a ride. and Open source says "warning, you might have to THINK to use this product, be forewarned" =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:46 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager I have never used the software before but I just pulled up a screenshot of the software from their site to see what you are talking about. After looking at the "Publishing address (e.g.: 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'):" section and also seeing that there is login information below I may have an idea. It looks like you should treat it like a normail ftp client, give it the domain in the Publishing address section and the logon credentials in the Login Information section. So if ftp://username:password at ftp.yourdomain.com works in a Firefox then the Publishing address would be ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com and the Login information would be Username: username and Password: password. You may want to try and see if that works quick (if you haven't already). Now if inside that folder you have a public_html folder that the files have to reside in and you are unable to navigate there manually you may have to edit the Publishing address to be ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com/public_html so they export to the right location. Good luck > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:20 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager > > > Thanks for all of the ideas guys...no luck on any of them.. > in Firefox if I ftp://:@ it works fine... > even ftp://@ works and just opens a little > window to input passwd... > > but in Nvu no such luck... > going to make updating the site a pain...(at least with this > product for > now) > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Les Bell > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:31 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager > > > > "Huck" wrote: > > >> > I can't get it to retrieve the files from the remote server. > > apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g. > 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means.. > << > > Huck, have you tried using an http:// URL, rather than an FTP > one? Most web page design tools I've seen have used http to > *fetch* the pages - after all, that's the protocol the web > server uses - and then uses FTP to publish or upload them. > > I just used an http:// URL to fetch my own home page with > Nvu, using File > -> Open Web Location, and it worked like I'd expect. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue May 18 21:35:23 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:35:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba In-Reply-To: References: <64446.170.211.161.223.1084902477.squirrel@170.211.161.223> Message-ID: <44D99394-A913-11D8-A255-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 XP home or Pro?? XP home isn't capable of joining domains like 2000 or NT It's as crippled as windows 98. On May 18, 2004, at 2:13 PM, Joe Faletra wrote: > I have done all of the registry tweaks and GP changes > > > Joe Faletra > School Administrative Unit 16 > Districts Manager for Technology Support Services > T: 603-775-8576 > F: 603-775-8487 > http://www.sau16.org > > > > > DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE > INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential > and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. > If you have received this communication in error, please call us > immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the > communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail > that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail > may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or > contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as > a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is > required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkCqgZsACgkQfqZR3ThMfXS5PwCfU0vw3f81CCrbJPwbL9Ldh1tB dbQAnRoDV6tAxF46IADygW90KjlpP/d6 =c8bu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From shahms at shahms.com Tue May 18 21:49:19 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:49:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> References: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1084916959.23547.62.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 13:40, Tim Litwiller wrote: > I want to setup several logins for a public area of the library. > I would like these to autologon to an account that opens a browser to > the card catalog web page. > I would also like the machine to log off and then back in if the browser > window is closed. > > Has anyone done something like this? What would be the scurity issues I > need to worry about? A number of people have similar setups for various purposes. What's involved depends a lot on what requirements you have beyond those stated above. Assuming access on the terminals is restricted to the browser *only* (no other logins, no other applications, etc.) there are still a number of ways of accomplishing this. There more requirements you add, the fewer the options. But to get that basic functionality you can: 1) Configure GDM to run something other than '/usr/bin/gdmlogin' for remote clients. That "something" can take care of launching and configuring the browser window, etc. 2) Configure GDM to use TimedLogin with a very short delay (AutomaticLogin doesn't work on remote displays for security reasons) and make sure the default session does what you want. 3) Add a SCREEN_01 = kiosk in the /etc/ltsp.conf and put a kiosk script in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d that starts X and uses ssh to run the appropriate script on the LTSP server, etc. There are more options, some better than others. Note that none of the options listed above will work very well (if at all) if you want the users to have access to all of GNOME or KDE as neither of them respond very well to the same user running multiple sessions... -- Shahms King From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue May 18 21:33:43 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:33:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me convince. :) In-Reply-To: <200405181751.i4IHpWHA017414@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200405181751.i4IHpWHA017414@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40AA8137.2080102@snet.net> Jason Neiffer wrote: > Hello, > > I have been running K12LTSP for the past year in my classroom: one Dell > server (self-purchased) running both version 3 and then 4 to run 8 classroom > workstations. It has been amazing: NO downtime, NO virus problems, and, as > a surprise to me: the kids love it. > > I am moving districts in the fall and the district tech staff has already > said that Linux is... too risky, too insecure, and too hard to manage. Preposterous...My own experience concurs with your own. Using Linux both at home and in the classroom I have not experienced a single virus or attack or crash. No down time (period). Children take to my Linux boxes like they've been using it all along. No risk, no problem. Previously, with Windows 98 and 2000 products in my classroom we had ubiquitous crashes that frequently cost children hours of work. Frequent down time that disrupted the curriculum and many other headaches. Anyone that would choose Windows over Linux in the classroom, IMHO, has their head stuck in their nether regions. tony baldwin Now, > I can handle management chores myself (no problem!) but I was wondering if > anyone would offered some brief words on security and the fact that you > haven't had any virus problems, etc. > > I know it's simply fear and inexperience driving this but pointing that out > won't help. :) > > Thoughts? > > Jason > Montana :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From tim at litwiller.net Tue May 18 21:58:05 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:58:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <1084916959.23547.62.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> <1084916959.23547.62.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <40AA86ED.3050203@litwiller.net> Shahms King wrote: >On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 13:40, Tim Litwiller wrote: > > >>I want to setup several logins for a public area of the library. >>I would like these to autologon to an account that opens a browser to >>the card catalog web page. >>I would also like the machine to log off and then back in if the browser >>window is closed. >> >>Has anyone done something like this? What would be the scurity issues I >>need to worry about? >> >> > >A number of people have similar setups for various purposes. What's >involved depends a lot on what requirements you have beyond those stated >above. Assuming access on the terminals is restricted to the browser >*only* (no other logins, no other applications, etc.) there are still a >number of ways of accomplishing this. There more requirements you add, >the fewer the options. But to get that basic functionality you can: > >1) Configure GDM to run something other than '/usr/bin/gdmlogin' for >remote clients. That "something" can take care of launching and >configuring the browser window, etc. > >2) Configure GDM to use TimedLogin with a very short delay >(AutomaticLogin doesn't work on remote displays for security reasons) >and make sure the default session does what you want. > >3) Add a SCREEN_01 = kiosk in the /etc/ltsp.conf and put a kiosk script >in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d that starts X and uses ssh to run the >appropriate script on the LTSP server, etc. > >There are more options, some better than others. Note that none of the >options listed above will work very well (if at all) if you want the >users to have access to all of GNOME or KDE as neither of them respond >very well to the same user running multiple sessions... > > No, there will only be one login for each machine and the browser is the only option they will have. These machines browsers will be limited to the card catalog web site either via proxy settings or via the netfilter. From nbs at sonic.net Tue May 18 22:03:28 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:03:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> References: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <20040518220328.GG2708@sonic.net> On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 03:40:28PM -0500, Tim Litwiller wrote: > I want to setup several logins for a public area of the library. > I would like these to autologon to an account that opens a browser to > the card catalog web page. > I would also like the machine to log off and then back in if the browser > window is closed. Someone in my LUG is talking about library kiosks right now. :^) I pointed him to a doc I started writing (but haven't finished polishing) which discusses using IceWM and KDE 3.1 under Debian Woody to create a web-browser-only (and calculator, since it's useful!) kiosk for a coffee shop. http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/bill/misc/kiosk/ (YMMV!) -bill! From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue May 18 22:22:12 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:22:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Printing In-Reply-To: <1084899516.23547.1.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20040514155347.94133.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> <1084869754.25074.5.camel@mercury> <1084897074.7506.211.camel@penguin> <1084899516.23547.1.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <40AA8C94.1040203@elp.rr.com> I asked this once before but didn't get an answer. When you print something from a web page the browser prints the URL across the top of the page. IS it possible to set something like this up so that the users id is printed there from Open Office or other print capable program? Bye Pat Shahms King wrote: >RTFM ;-) > >http://www.cups.org/sam.html#4_3_6 > >You can set per-printer quotas that are tracker per-user. > >On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 09:17, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > > >>On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 04:42, Martin Stevens wrote: >> >> >>>On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 16:53, xyz xyz wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Students have been printing large volumes of documents >>>>and this is causing a problem from a cost perspective. >>>>How do I go about limiting printing for individual >>>>users?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Remove all the toner cartridges ? >>> >>>But seriously, is it one or two students that abuse the system or all of >>>them. >>> >>>http://phpprintanalyze.sourceforge.net/ >>> >>>Would be a start, so you can see who is using the most. >>> >>> >>You could setup a group of people allowed to print in /etc/group (or >>KDE's tool for it). Then set permissions on your print devices to that >>group. Shouldn't that do the trick? I haven't actually done that with a >>printer before so I'm not sure it would, but it works on things like USB >>Sticks, etc and I've heard the same things works for peripheral devices. >> >>JSR/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> From spud597 at hotmail.com Tue May 18 22:47:46 2004 From: spud597 at hotmail.com (Kale Schaub) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:47:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual Head LTSP workstation Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Tue May 18 22:51:20 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dual Head LTSP workstation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 May 2004, Kale Schaub wrote: > I am trying to set up a Dual Monitor desktop-extended workstation that > wil run off of LTSP. I am splitting the analog signal coming off of my > NVidia Quadro 4 card. The dual monitors work fine wirth Fedora Core1 > running the 2.4 kernel. I have created a config file (XF86Config.ws003) > by snagging the XF86config file optimized for the Quadro 4 card fron > another computer. Even using the generic 'nv' driver, nothing seems to > work. Any words of wisdom, experience, or genious would be helpful "Nothing seems to work" really doesn't give us much to go on. Are you getting errors ? Does the screen go blank ? is there any indication that your XF86Config.ws003 file is actually being used ? Is this LTSP-3 or LTSP-4 ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue May 18 22:55:04 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:55:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Think to use open source???? In-Reply-To: <001501c43d1e$703744c0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: Huck, wouldn't it be nice if we didn't all have to do the same thinking over and over. Why not let someone do the thinking once. Do we all have to re-invent the wheel? In that sense lots of open source software expects too much of the end user. Only once that level of complexity is simplfied for those that need it, will open source software be as successful as Microsoft has been. MS products have a great polish and finish. OK, sometimes it does too much too automatically - drives me nuts sometimes, but where would the computing world be without all the wonderful interface that Windows has brought to us. I remember when Win3.1 came along ... it empowered us to do scalable fonts. That was BIG when compared to each DOS program doing its own fonts, printers, etc. So lets set our goals and visions high. Expect great things from open source. Don't be satisfied with a half-cook bunch of software. I fully agree with you that OpenSource has been a FANTASTIC addition to our life. It will be as big a revolution as the Windows on the PC revolution. There are SO MANY reasons to get onto OpenSource software, but for it to be really world changing, there are still many things that are too complicated ... your example of not being able to figure out the configuration is a perfect example. Why do we all have to bring along our own seatbelts, install them, etc. Why can't we just sit down, buckle up and enjoy the ride? my little rant for the afternoon... joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:24 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager egads!!! finally... the transparent proxy deal works fine I guess... I was having the hanging indefinately and thought it was a "squid/dansguardian" issue... apparently no proxy settings required. yahoo! wonderific... I honestly don't understand how people can build any sort of a valid arguement against open source =) the tools, and software available are just awesome!!! even if it does take some tweaking to make it work... I suppose windows can just say "our software is for idiots" plug it in...and let it take you for a ride. and Open source says "warning, you might have to THINK to use this product, be forewarned" =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:46 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager I have never used the software before but I just pulled up a screenshot of the software from their site to see what you are talking about. After looking at the "Publishing address (e.g.: 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'):" section and also seeing that there is login information below I may have an idea. It looks like you should treat it like a normail ftp client, give it the domain in the Publishing address section and the logon credentials in the Login Information section. So if ftp://username:password at ftp.yourdomain.com works in a Firefox then the Publishing address would be ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com and the Login information would be Username: username and Password: password. You may want to try and see if that works quick (if you haven't already). Now if inside that folder you have a public_html folder that the files have to reside in and you are unable to navigate there manually you may have to edit the Publishing address to be ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com/public_html so they export to the right location. Good luck > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:20 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager > > > Thanks for all of the ideas guys...no luck on any of them.. > in Firefox if I ftp://:@ it works fine... > even ftp://@ works and just opens a little > window to input passwd... > > but in Nvu no such luck... > going to make updating the site a pain...(at least with this > product for > now) > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Les Bell > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:31 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager > > > > "Huck" wrote: > > >> > I can't get it to retrieve the files from the remote server. > > apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g. > 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means.. > << > > Huck, have you tried using an http:// URL, rather than an FTP > one? Most web page design tools I've seen have used http to > *fetch* the pages - after all, that's the protocol the web > server uses - and then uses FTP to publish or upload them. > > I just used an http:// URL to fetch my own home page with > Nvu, using File > -> Open Web Location, and it worked like I'd expect. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Tue May 18 23:09:52 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:09:52 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba Message-ID: "Joe Faletra" wrote: >> Ok folks this one is making me nuts. I am trying to join and XP system to a Samba domain. I am using K12LTSP running samba << Have you applied the following patch in the XP registry? Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netlogon\Parameters] "requiresignorseal"=dword:00000000 You can put those four lines in a file, whack it on a floppy and then just double-click on it to apply it to the registry. Not sure if that's your problem, though - it's been a while since I've seen that kind of problem (seen quite a few others, though . . . ;) ). Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From spud597 at hotmail.com Tue May 18 23:28:07 2004 From: spud597 at hotmail.com (Kale Schaub) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:28:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual Head LTSP workstation Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shawn at techcoms.net Wed May 19 02:44:54 2004 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 19:44:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba References: Message-ID: <019801c43d4b$47fb9c90$0c02a8c0@wslhome> I found this very helpfull.. for samba 2.2 but most of it works for 3.0 http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-samba-tng.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Faletra" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba > Ok folks this one is making me nuts. I am trying to join and XP system > to a Samba domain. I am using K12LTSP running samba, Here is the > smb.conf: > > # Date: 2004/05/14 10:12:23 > > # Global parameters > [global] > os level = 32 > workgroup = NEWFIELDS > domain logons = Yes > dns proxy = No > passwd program = /usr/sbin/passwd %u > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > local master = yes > netbios name = k12ltsp > ldap ssl = no > max log size = 50 > logon home = \\k12ltsp\%U > min passwd length = 2 > pam password change = yes > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > security = domain > unix password sync = yes > domain master = yes > wins support = true > encrypt passwords = yes > logon drive = h:// > > [homes] > comment = Home Directories > read only = No > browseable = No > writable = yes > valid users = %S > create mode = 0600 > directory mode = 0700 > logon home = \\k12ltsp\%U > hide files = /*.pst/ > > When I try to connect a machine (SAU-SPDC-0008 machine name) to the > NEWFIELDS domain I get: > > The following error occurred attempting to join the domain "NEWFIELDS" > The username could not be found. > > I am also running SME server. DHCP has been disabled on SME. User > accounts are on the K12LTSP box. THere is one user account on SME. > Which adds another question, how do I tell that the K12LTSP server is > the only one authenticating??? > > Joe > > > > Joe Faletra > School Administrative Unit 16 > Districts Manager for Technology Support Services > T: 603-775-8576 > F: 603-775-8487 > http://www.sau16.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > . > From morenstein at alum.mit.edu Tue May 18 23:55:56 2004 From: morenstein at alum.mit.edu (Mark Orenstein) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 19:55:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What version of samba are you running? signorseal patch is no longer needed for samba3. Have you added the XP PC manually or do you have an add machine script (samba3) or add user script (samba2)? What about a roaming profile directory? Mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Joe Faletra Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:40 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba Ok folks this one is making me nuts. I am trying to join and XP system to a Samba domain. I am using K12LTSP running samba, Here is the smb.conf: # Date: 2004/05/14 10:12:23 # Global parameters [global] os level = 32 workgroup = NEWFIELDS domain logons = Yes dns proxy = No passwd program = /usr/sbin/passwd %u socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 local master = yes netbios name = k12ltsp ldap ssl = no max log size = 50 logon home = \\k12ltsp\%U min passwd length = 2 pam password change = yes log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log security = domain unix password sync = yes domain master = yes wins support = true encrypt passwords = yes logon drive = h:// [homes] comment = Home Directories read only = No browseable = No writable = yes valid users = %S create mode = 0600 directory mode = 0700 logon home = \\k12ltsp\%U hide files = /*.pst/ When I try to connect a machine (SAU-SPDC-0008 machine name) to the NEWFIELDS domain I get: The following error occurred attempting to join the domain "NEWFIELDS" The username could not be found. I am also running SME server. DHCP has been disabled on SME. User accounts are on the K12LTSP box. THere is one user account on SME. Which adds another question, how do I tell that the K12LTSP server is the only one authenticating??? Joe Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed May 19 00:48:57 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:48:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL 3 and LDAP In-Reply-To: <40558.10.20.1.133.1084912109.squirrel@postoffice> References: <39295.10.20.1.133.1084907694.squirrel@postoffice> < > <1084909781.23547.3.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <40558.10.20.1.133.1084912109.squirrel@postoffice> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >> >I'm familiar with the tools and rely on them quite a bit, but I'm just now >dusting the cobwebs off all my notes and jumping back in. As I get back up >to speed I'll let you know if we run into the same thing. I'm going to >compare my notes against yours on the wiki and see if I can't get this >going this week. Let me know and take good notes....my notes are a little different as they're based on Samba 2.27a and the older smbldaptools.....the newer version is slick... I also have some notes here....http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed May 19 00:54:07 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 06:24:07 +0530 Subject: OT: Re: [K12OSN] Help me convince. :) In-Reply-To: <200405181751.i4IHpWHA017414@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200405181751.i4IHpWHA017414@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1084928046.3291.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 23:21, Jason Neiffer wrote: > Hello, > > I have been running K12LTSP for the past year in my classroom: one Dell > server (self-purchased) running both version 3 and then 4 to run 8 classroom Perfect example of thread hijacking!! Please try to start a new thread using new mail button and not by hitting reply button and only changing the subject line. Mails on this topic and Joining XP system to Samaba are getting all mixed up in thread view since the original mail id is "remembered" when you hit "reply" button. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jam at mcquil.com Wed May 19 02:11:52 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dual Head LTSP workstation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll be glad to help, but somebody has to clean up this guys email problem. Kinda looks likes chuck posted this one :) Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 18 May 2004, Kale Schaub wrote: > >From: jam at mcquil.com >Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in > schools." >To: "Support list for opensource software > in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Dual Head LTSP > workstation >Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:51:20 -0400 (EDT) > >On Tue, 18 > May 2004, Kale Schaub wrote: > > > I am trying to set up a Dual Monitor > desktop-extended workstation that > > wil run off of LTSP. I am splitting > the analog signal coming off of my > > NVidia Quadro 4 card. The dual > monitors work fine wirth Fedora Core1 > > running the 2.4 kernel. I have > created a config file (XF86Config.ws003) > > by snagging the XF86config > file optimized for the Quadro 4 card fron > > another computer. Even > using the generic 'nv' driver, nothing seems to > > work. Any words of > wisdom, experience, or genious would be helpful > > >"Nothing seems to > work" really doesn't give us much to go on. > >Are you getting errors ? > > >Does the screen go blank ? > >is there any indication that your > XF86Config.ws003 file is actually >being used ? > >Is this LTSP-3 or > LTSP-4 ? > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > With the config file > specification commented screen number 1 works fine. Screen 2 shows > vertical green stripes that start moving if you stare at them too long. > With the config file enabled I recieve a 'Fatal server error: no screens > found'. It appears that the xserver is looking for /tmp/XF86Config.1 > which doesn't exist. I assume it is supposed to be created on terminal > startup. The server also kicks back "Undefined Monitor 'Monitor1' > referenced by Screen 'Screen1'". Both screens are displaying identical > outputs. We are running LTSP 4.0. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For > more info see > _________________________________________________________________ Get > 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball > Gameday Audio! > http://radio.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200491ave/direct/01/ > From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed May 19 04:26:31 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:26:31 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail puzzle Message-ID: <1084940558.1726.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi folks, So I have send mail sending fetchmail fetching and squirrel mail squirreling Here's my dilemma. Sendmail sends the mail OK. Fetchmail can collect domain mail from the ISP as the "mailman" user. "mailman" is also a user on the local server. HOW do I get individual mail from the mailman account using Squirrel mail EG. user1 mail into user1 Squirrel mail mailbox from the "mailman" account, user2,3...x and so on? OR Is there another way (without changing software) to do this? Cheers, Bert From vcarecrc at vsnl.com Wed May 19 07:05:12 2004 From: vcarecrc at vsnl.com (vcare) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:35:12 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Open office Startup delay on RAID 1 Message-ID: <40AB0728.207@vsnl.com> Hardware Setup IBM Xeon with 1.GB RAM 2 x 36.2 GB SCSI Hard -disk RAID 1 ( Mirroring) Software Uses SMP kernel RedHat Linux 7.3 Java - jdk1.4.02 Openoffice-1.1 The Trobule is The Soffice scipts runs very slow, on server as well as on client I had done similar installtion but without RAID 1 where the soffice starts-up in less than 2 seconds. Is this because of Mirroing?? What could be the problem ?? Please Help on this?? regards dinesh From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed May 19 09:22:21 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:52:21 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Open office Startup delay on RAID 1 In-Reply-To: <40AB0728.207@vsnl.com> References: <40AB0728.207@vsnl.com> Message-ID: <1084958540.24464.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 12:35, vcare wrote: > Openoffice-1.1 This may be shooting in the dark but.... Periodically delete USERHOME/OpenOffice.org1.1.1/user/psprint/pspfontcache This file grows in size with different fonts handled and consequent slow down.This is known issue on OO1.1. Upgrade to 1.1.1 and the issue takes care. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 19 10:41:21 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:41:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / Socks Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A96@ILFGEXC> Hey all I know that Squid is a simple http proxy - what I'm looking for is a complete proxy system ... that can help filter everything including (but not limited to) IM applications / browsers / other stuff :p / etc Anyone have any experience with this? Daniel ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Wed May 19 11:23:57 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:23:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP Message-ID: <04A3463C-A987-11D8-9ECE-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> David Trask wrote: > The other day I downloaded and installed this killer > app (Inspiration look-alike) called CMapTools. It works great....for > one > user. Has anyone tried this app and does anyone have any ideas on how > I > can get it installed "multi-user" on the K12LTSP server? David, I don't have an answer, but am interested in how things turn out. I tried to install this app but didn't get it to run for even one user :-( However, that is not uncommon for me. Which version of K12LTSP are you using? Where did you install to? How did you install? From source, or using the binary? Peace, Jimmy Schwankl It's easier to take it apart than to put it back together. -- Washlesky From vcarecrc at vsnl.com Wed May 19 11:22:57 2004 From: vcarecrc at vsnl.com (vcare) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:52:57 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Open office Startup delay on RAID 1 In-Reply-To: <1084958540.24464.3.camel@server.ltsp> References: <40AB0728.207@vsnl.com> <1084958540.24464.3.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40AB4391.6050609@vsnl.com> Thanks Sudev for instant reply. These is my a new Server , and New Installtion. and new openoffice directories. The same setup doesn't give me any problems on other servers but only with Mirroed Harddisk only. can u guess ?? regards Dinesh Sudev Barar wrote: >On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 12:35, vcare wrote: > > >>Openoffice-1.1 >> >> >This may be shooting in the dark but.... > >Periodically delete >USERHOME/OpenOffice.org1.1.1/user/psprint/pspfontcache This file grows >in size with different fonts handled and consequent slow down.This is >known issue on OO1.1. Upgrade to 1.1.1 and the issue takes care. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed May 19 12:19:45 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:19:45 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / Socks Message-ID: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >> I know that Squid is a simple http proxy - what I'm looking for is a complete proxy system ... that can help filter everything including (but not limited to) IM applications / browsers / other stuff :p / etc << Almost by definition, there's no such thing. For application layer protocols, because there are so many of them and they work so differently (compare FTP and Real Audio, for example), you need a different proxy server for each protocol. Squid is unusually sophisticated in being both an http and ftp proxy (as well as wais). Everything else, you deal with on a protocol-by-protocol basis, or you use a transport-layer approach like socks, or you do packet filtering on ip addresses, protocols, port numbers and flags. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Wed May 19 11:56:16 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] CMapTools and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32877.10.20.1.133.1084967776.squirrel@postoffice> > Ok....'nother issue. The other day I downloaded and installed this > killer app (Inspiration look-alike) called CMapTools. It works > great....for one user. Has anyone tried this app and does anyone have > any ideas on how I can get it installed "multi-user" on the K12LTSP > server? If we try to launch it with more than one user...ie: in > class....one user gets it and the rest get "another instance of > CMapTools is running...blah...blah". Any ideas? Could this be a oplock issue? I used to run the old Accelerated Reader in a separate share with oplocks disabled to allow everyone to use it. Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 19 12:00:10 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:00:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / Socks Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A9D@ILFGEXC> From: Les Bell [mailto:lesbell at lesbell.com.au] >> > I know that Squid is a simple http proxy - what I'm looking for is a > complete proxy system ... that can help filter everything including (but > not > limited to) IM applications / browsers / other stuff :p / etc > << > Almost by definition, there's no such thing. For application layer > protocols, because there are so many of them and they work so differently > (compare FTP and Real Audio, for example), you need a different proxy > server for each protocol. Squid is unusually sophisticated in being both an > http and ftp proxy (as well as wais). Everything else, you deal with on a > protocol-by-protocol basis, or you use a transport-layer approach like > socks, or you do packet filtering on ip addresses, protocols, port numbers > and flags. Ah .. I didnt know that .. I thought I could just slap a redhat box between my lan and my router with squid and a socks5 server and it'd stop all those nasty mp3's being sent by my sister to her friends ;) ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From jritchie at bible.edu Wed May 19 12:15:00 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:15:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / Socks In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A96@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A96@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <1084968900.16837.16.camel@penguin> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 06:41, daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > Hey all > > I know that Squid is a simple http proxy - what I'm looking for is a > complete proxy system ... that can help filter everything including (but not > limited to) IM applications / browsers / other stuff :p / etc That is going to be hard. I work at a small college and we didn't do this at all until recently. It required us to get a traffic shaper. We messed around with doing it with Linux for awhile, but it was more messy then it was worth. Also, if you have P2P programs you are trying to limit there's an issue with them hopping ports and you have to get something that scans at layer 7 of the OSI model or you really can't nail them down. Our traffic shaper is a vendor provided Linux box actually, so it is all possible in Linux. I don't discourage you, but rather make sure you are aware that this is a task that will take time to work out. JSR/ From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 19 12:05:52 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:05:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / Socks Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A9E@ILFGEXC> From: Josiah Ritchie [mailto:jritchie at bible.edu] > > Hey all > > I know that Squid is a simple http proxy - what I'm looking for is a > > complete proxy system ... that can help filter everything including (but not > > limited to) IM applications / browsers / other stuff :p / etc > That is going to be hard. I work at a small college and we didn't do > this at all until recently. It required us to get a traffic shaper. We > messed around with doing it with Linux for awhile, but it was more messy > then it was worth. Also, if you have P2P programs you are trying to > limit there's an issue with them hopping ports and you have to get > something that scans at layer 7 of the OSI model or you really can't > nail them down. Our traffic shaper is a vendor provided Linux box > actually, so it is all possible in Linux. > I don't discourage you, but rather make sure you are aware that this is > a task that will take time to work out. Bloody pessimists :o) Hmm ... I didn't realise it'd be so much work to shut off everything except what I want to allow :s ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From jritchie at bible.edu Wed May 19 12:18:31 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:18:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / Socks In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A9D@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A9D@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <1084969111.16840.20.camel@penguin> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 08:00, daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > From: Les Bell [mailto:lesbell at lesbell.com.au] > >> > > I know that Squid is a simple http proxy - what I'm looking for is a > > complete proxy system ... that can help filter everything including (but > > not > > limited to) IM applications / browsers / other stuff :p / etc > > << > > Almost by definition, there's no such thing. For application layer > > protocols, because there are so many of them and they work so differently > > (compare FTP and Real Audio, for example), you need a different proxy > > server for each protocol. Squid is unusually sophisticated in being both > an > > http and ftp proxy (as well as wais). Everything else, you deal with on a > > protocol-by-protocol basis, or you use a transport-layer approach like > > socks, or you do packet filtering on ip addresses, protocols, port numbers > > and flags. > > > Ah .. I didnt know that .. > I thought I could just slap a redhat box between my lan and my router with > squid and a socks5 server and it'd stop all those nasty mp3's being sent by > my sister to her friends ;) :-) That's not an easy task at all. Even if you track down the port it works on, it's likely to change ports again each time you track it down. You could block all but valid ports (we're talking iptables now) and then it would take awhile until it found and operated on one of the open ports. Better, just block the IP address, but I don't want to start a family feud. :-) JSR/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed May 19 12:26:27 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:26:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <04A3463C-A987-11D8-9ECE-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <04A3463C-A987-11D8-9ECE-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: Jimmy Schwankl writes: >Which version of K12LTSP are you using? 3.12 > Where did you install to? I made a directory called CMap > How >did you install? From source, or using the binary? binary David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed May 19 12:35:44 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:35:44 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / Socks Message-ID: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >> I thought I could just slap a redhat box between my lan and my router with squid and a socks5 server and it'd stop all those nasty mp3's being sent by my sister to her friends ;) << Not that straight-forward, I'm afraid. However, you can stop a lot by using the combination of an iptables filtering firewall, with a transparent squid proxy. The trickiest part is blocking access to IM and P2P systems, as they will use port spidering - try to connect on their own ports first of all, then other port numbers that might be open, and finally fall back to http on port 80 as that will almost always work. It can be quite hard to kill off MSN Messenger, for example. Most firewalls are a combination of packet filtering - which doesn't do any content inspection or caching - and application-layer proxying, which can do those things. A mail gateway is an application-layer proxy, for example: it doesn't care much at all about IP addresses and port numbers, but instead inspects entire emails to make routing decisions based upon mailbox addresses as well as spam filtering, virus scanning, etc. This is something packet filtering can't do. And of course, the logic of a mail gateway is quite different from a proxy web server. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 19 12:11:56 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:11:56 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / Socks Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A9F@ILFGEXC> -----Original Message----- From: Josiah Ritchie > > Ah .. I didnt know that .. > > I thought I could just slap a redhat box between my lan and my router with > > squid and a socks5 server and it'd stop all those nasty mp3's being sent by > > my sister to her friends ;) > :-) That's not an easy task at all. Even if you track down the port it > works on, it's likely to change ports again each time you track it down. > You could block all but valid ports (we're talking iptables now) and > then it would take awhile until it found and operated on one of the open > ports. Better, just block the IP address, but I don't want to start a > family feud. :-) You'll tell me what I WANT you to tell me :D At the moment the only culprit is MSN - but that's not to say that she hasn't tried Kazaa or anything. I've had to reinstall windows on the family computer and force the household to use a normal user account (I hold the only admin account) to try to stop her from installing completely and utterly crap and usless software I have yet to move the router onto my linux box's second NIC (and have yet to put the second NIC _in_ the linux box :p) but I want to be sure that when I do that it is going to work without any hiccups. I want to disable all file transfers from the Lan -> net and vice versa unless it's coming from a trusted ip (my own pc ... naturally :p ) As you can tell I'm sick of her sending her friend's MP3's .. I'm not in the mood to get my machines confiscated if caught ;o) and she just plain doesnt care. Also ... is there any way of having the linux box log all of this sort of traffic? Daniel ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. 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From jritchie at bible.edu Wed May 19 12:24:22 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:24:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / Socks In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A9E@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5A9E@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <1084969462.16845.25.camel@penguin> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 08:05, daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > From: Josiah Ritchie [mailto:jritchie at bible.edu] > > > Hey all > > > I know that Squid is a simple http proxy - what I'm looking for is a > > > complete proxy system ... that can help filter everything including (but > not > > > limited to) IM applications / browsers / other stuff :p / etc > > That is going to be hard. I work at a small college and we didn't do > > this at all until recently. It required us to get a traffic shaper. We > > messed around with doing it with Linux for awhile, but it was more messy > > then it was worth. Also, if you have P2P programs you are trying to > > limit there's an issue with them hopping ports and you have to get > > something that scans at layer 7 of the OSI model or you really can't > > nail them down. Our traffic shaper is a vendor provided Linux box > > actually, so it is all possible in Linux. > > I don't discourage you, but rather make sure you are aware that this is > > a task that will take time to work out. > > Bloody pessimists :o) > > Hmm ... I didn't realise it'd be so much work to shut off everything except > what I want to allow :s Bloody P2P-programmers-giving-people-that-don't-know-anything-about-networking-the-tools-to-entirely-subvert-network-security-without-them-having-to-even-think-once-about-it is more like it. It's actually a very significant issue at colleges across the world (or at least the US, I assume the world). Here's a thought, bandwidth throttling might not be as hard to do and would keep the port from jumping. You could throttle the P2P port being used to 3K of bandwidth and that's going to discourage large usage, but not cut it entirely. JSR/ From jritchie at bible.edu Wed May 19 12:29:25 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:29:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail puzzle In-Reply-To: <1084940558.1726.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1084940558.1726.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <1084969764.16858.29.camel@penguin> Maybe I'm not understanding, but isn't squirrelmail an IMAP client? If you setup an IMAP server on your server, then squirrelmail should just connect to that like any other IMAP client. For security you could do this on the loopback network, 127.0.0.1. JSR/ On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 00:26, Bert Rolston wrote: > Hi folks, > > So I have send mail sending > fetchmail fetching > and squirrel mail squirreling > > Here's my dilemma. > > Sendmail sends the mail OK. > > Fetchmail can collect domain mail from the ISP as the "mailman" user. > "mailman" is also a user on the local server. > > HOW do I get individual mail from the mailman account using Squirrel > mail EG. user1 mail into user1 Squirrel mail mailbox from the "mailman" > account, user2,3...x and so on? > > OR > > Is there another way (without changing software) to do this? > > Cheers, > Bert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 19 12:21:37 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:21:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / Socks Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5AA0@ILFGEXC> -----Original Message----- From: Josiah Ritchie [mailto:jritchie at bible.edu] > Bloody pessimists :o) > > Hmm ... I didn't realise it'd be so much work to shut off everything except > what I want to allow :s > Bloody > P2P-programmers-giving-people-that-don't-know-anything-about-networking-the- tools-to-entirely-subvert-network-security-without-them-having-to-even-think -once-about-it is more like it. It's actually a very significant issue at colleges across the world (or at least the US, I assume the world). I couldn't have put it better myself :D And yeah, I noticed in college that there's no file transferring at all in ANY im program. That didnt stop myself and a friend writing a java chat room with video and voice chat capabilites, not to mention a VERY good file transfer system that works through proxies last year. Quite proud of it to be honest :) > Here's a thought, bandwidth throttling might not be as hard to do and > would keep the port from jumping. You could throttle the P2P port being > used to 3K of bandwidth and that's going to discourage large usage, but > not cut it entirely. throttling eh? Nice idea ... and how would one go about doing that? As it would also solve another big problem of mine - my sis (again *sigh*) using up all of the available bandwidht on her beloved McFly webboards and whatever else she looks at. Cow :) Daniel ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 19 12:23:32 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:23:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail puzzle Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5AA1@ILFGEXC> > Maybe I'm not understanding, but isn't squirrelmail an IMAP client? If > you setup an IMAP server on your server, then squirrelmail should just > connect to that like any other IMAP client. For security you could do > this on the loopback network, 127.0.0.1. He's right you know ... All you need is for sendmail to be sending the emails, some sort of mail delivery system to have new mails stored in a user's inbox, and squirrelmail will connect to the mailbox using IMAP Squirrelmail is quite a good program actually! Daniel ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From qmail2 at chilitech.com Wed May 19 12:36:16 2004 From: qmail2 at chilitech.com (Matt) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:36:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lockd: cannot monitor 10.200.1.254 Message-ID: <1084970175.1946.5.camel@hopper.chilitech.net> Greetings, I have an NFS server at 10.200.1.252 I have 2 TS at 10.200.1.254 and 10.200.1.253 The one at 10.200.1.253 is working fine. The one at 10.200.1.254 is acting wierd. Everything works fine on it, (it seems slightly slow.. but this may be a result of what I'm about to tell)... on the NFS server ( 10.200.1.252 ) I see constant errors of: lockd: cannot monitor 10.200.1.254 This error seems to come up most when people are accessing files (wow! lol)... any idea what it might be? I've tried rebooting... restarting NFS, etc... no avail. -- Matt From jritchie at bible.edu Wed May 19 12:38:39 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:38:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> References: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1084970319.16840.36.camel@penguin> On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 16:40, Tim Litwiller wrote: > I want to setup several logins for a public area of the library. > I would like these to autologon to an account that opens a browser to > the card catalog web page. > I would also like the machine to log off and then back in if the browser > window is closed. > > Has anyone done something like this? What would be the scurity issues I > need to worry about? If you used a wm like ratpoison and then set up a logon script that opened the browser for you automatically. Then it could keep track of whether it was there or not and re-open it when it disappeared with a simple script that parsed ps aux for the start command. I don't know about the kiosk abilities built into LTSP so that might be better, but it might be more complicated than you need. JSR/ From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed May 19 12:45:14 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:45:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Sagebrush Spectrum Client In-Reply-To: <1084886169.6133.6.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> Message-ID: Have you tried to install and run their client under wine? I am going to try it later today and see what happens. DS On Tue, 18 May 2004, Justin Paulsen wrote: > The web based upgrade is expensive. Thats why I was looking for a > client. I might do the web based if there is no other solution, but I > want to be sure first. > > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Wed May 19 13:00:18 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:00:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <04A3463C-A987-11D8-9ECE-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <7AD99ADC-A994-11D8-9ECE-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> On May 19, 2004, at 8:26 AM, David Trask wrote: > Jimmy Schwankl writes: > >> Which version of K12LTSP are you using? > 3.12 > >> Where did you install to? > > I made a directory called CMap > >> How >> did you install? From source, or using the binary? > binary Thanks. I'm also running 3.12. And it looks like binary is the only option now that I've revisited the site. After a little looking around, I may have found out how to get it to work, but I won't have a chance to test it until next week when I'm back at the school where it's installed. As for the multiuser deal. I was back at the cmap site http://cmap.ihmc.us/download/v2Clients/Download.html (for anyone else interested in trying this out) and just noticed the server versions. I'll probably take a look at those next week too. I'll let you know how it goes. You can get them here: http://cmap.ihmc.us/download/v2Servers/serverChoice.html if you have time to investigate. Peace, Jimmy From jritchie at bible.edu Wed May 19 13:27:16 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:27:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / Socks In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5AA0@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5AA0@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <1084973235.16837.81.camel@penguin> > throttling eh? Nice idea ... and how would one go about doing that? As it > would also solve another big problem of mine - my sis (again *sigh*) using > up all of the available bandwidht on her beloved McFly webboards and > whatever else she looks at. You'll find better resources for info on that in google than from me. Not something I have much expertise in, just aware of what it is and why it should be used. JSR/ From pauldavison at psps.com Wed May 19 13:32:49 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:32:49 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail puzzle In-Reply-To: <1084940558.1726.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1084940558.1726.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <40AB6201.7030609@psps.com> Bert Rolston wrote: >Hi folks, > > > >Fetchmail can collect domain mail from the ISP as the "mailman" user. >"mailman" is also a user on the local server. > >HOW do I get individual mail from the mailman account using Squirrel >mail EG. user1 mail into user1 Squirrel mail mailbox from the "mailman" >account, user2,3...x and so on? > > Hi Bert, I assume that the way you have your domain mail being delivered is as follows. the email for all users in you domain is collected in a single mailbox on your ISP's server. Then you are using Fetchmail to collect all the mail from that account. and what you wish to do is have your server sort the mail back out to the individual users it was originally meant for. Is that a correct assumption? If the above assumption is correct, Fetchmail will probably do what you need. You are probably already running fetchmail as root in daemon mode. In the .fetchmailrc you probably have an entry like the following: poll mail.yourisp.com proto pop3 user "mailman" password "secretpassword" if you change that to something like: poll mail.yourisp.com proto pop3 localdomains your.domain.com : user "mailman" with pass "secretpassword" to * here This tells fetchmail to collect the mail and deliver it to the sendmail daemon on your machine for local delivery. This assumes that the email addresses and usernames are the same. I am pretty sure you need to be running the daemon as root for this to work properly. You might want to take a look at the fetchmail man page or fetchmail howtos from Eric Raymonds homepage http://www.catb.org/~esr/fetchmail/ He has examples/trouble shooting and some do's and don't for multidrop mailboxes. I might add that if you have a persistent, or semi persistent connection to the internet, you would probably have much better results having an MX record added to your domain's DNS server to have the mail automatically delivered straight to your mailserver instead of a dropbox. Hope that helps Paul Davison From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 19 13:36:15 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:36:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mailing list manager Message-ID: <002a01c43da6$453197c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> What do you guys recommend for a mailing list manager? I have 2 test servers running right now, one running qmail+spamassassin+clamav running smtp and pop with Maildir/ format mailboxes, and the other running postfix+spamassassin+clamav still working on smtp and pop with Mailbox format. I think I am leaning toward the Postfix setup but am not done yet. Not sure that info helps anyone but what the heck. I would like a manager that can handle multiple domains and give an admininstrator from each domain full control over their own lists. From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed May 19 13:49:44 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:49:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sagebrush Spectrum Client In-Reply-To: <1084877433.6133.2.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> References: <1084877433.6133.2.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> Message-ID: <40AB65F8.5050505@msln.net> I ended up doing the web enabler as well. Sagebrush is very stubbourne about linux. I called them today to lodge a complaint that the latest update 4.2 for athena requires that an update be applied to the file server where the data base resides. I asked what if I run a linux file server and they said that it wasn't supported. I told them that I didn't like the fact that they think that they (sagebrush corp) could dictate what I run for a file server. I also informed them that IBM, Dell, HP , Novell and others are making use of linux in networking and server software and that they should get involved. The more "suggestions" from different people the Sagebrush corp. gets, the more apt they will be to change practices. ;o) Mark Justin Paulsen wrote: >Hi, > >Does any one know of a Linux client for Sagebrush Spectrum Patron's >Catalog? Or a client that is compatible with it. Just something that >will let the students search for books without having to switch to a new >system. > >Thanks, > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From jritchie at bible.edu Wed May 19 14:17:02 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:17:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mailing list manager In-Reply-To: <002a01c43da6$453197c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002a01c43da6$453197c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1084976222.16845.93.camel@penguin> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 09:36, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > What do you guys recommend for a mailing list manager? I have 2 test > servers running right now, one running qmail+spamassassin+clamav running > smtp and pop with Maildir/ format mailboxes, and the other running > postfix+spamassassin+clamav still working on smtp and pop with Mailbox > format. I think I am leaning toward the Postfix setup but am not done > yet. Not sure that info helps anyone but what the heck. I would like a > manager that can handle multiple domains and give an admininstrator from > each domain full control over their own lists. Have you looked at mailman? (http://www.list.org/) I think it'll give you what you want. JSR/ From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Wed May 19 14:32:29 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: 19 May 2004 10:32:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084977149.7700.34.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> I see you have 'security = domain' below. This must be 'security = user'. The 'domain' setting is for telling samba to use another domain controller for authentication purposes (man smb.conf). Have you used testparm to check for errors? If you have a share specified that does not exist or is not accessible it will prevent domain joining and logons from working. I'd probably set level to around 60 too just to ensure your samba server has no chance of losing elections for domain master etc. On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 19:55, Mark Orenstein wrote: > What version of samba are you running? signorseal patch is no longer needed > for samba3. Have you added the XP PC manually or do you have an add machine > script (samba3) or add user script (samba2)? What about a roaming profile > directory? > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Joe Faletra > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:40 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba > > > Ok folks this one is making me nuts. I am trying to join and XP system > to a Samba domain. I am using K12LTSP running samba, Here is the > smb.conf: > > # Date: 2004/05/14 10:12:23 > > # Global parameters > [global] > os level = 32 > workgroup = NEWFIELDS > domain logons = Yes > dns proxy = No > passwd program = /usr/sbin/passwd %u > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > local master = yes > netbios name = k12ltsp > ldap ssl = no > max log size = 50 > logon home = \\k12ltsp\%U > min passwd length = 2 > pam password change = yes > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > security = domain > unix password sync = yes > domain master = yes > wins support = true > encrypt passwords = yes > logon drive = h:// > > [homes] > comment = Home Directories > read only = No > browseable = No > writable = yes > valid users = %S > create mode = 0600 > directory mode = 0700 > logon home = \\k12ltsp\%U > hide files = /*.pst/ > > When I try to connect a machine (SAU-SPDC-0008 machine name) to the > NEWFIELDS domain I get: > > The following error occurred attempting to join the domain "NEWFIELDS" > The username could not be found. > > I am also running SME server. DHCP has been disabled on SME. User > accounts are on the K12LTSP box. THere is one user account on SME. > Which adds another question, how do I tell that the K12LTSP server is > the only one authenticating??? > > Joe > > > -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Hurry! Hire a teenager while they still know everything!!! From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed May 19 14:54:58 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:54:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <04A3463C-A987-11D8-9ECE-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: After your post about an Inspiration "clone" my mind went into full alert. I am in the process of setting up an LTSP and this was one of the missing apps ... so to have a concept mapping tool would be wonderful. I installed it at home on a Windows PC last night. Yes it works well, but is fairly simple.... not a lot of bells and whistles. I also installed it on my LTSP server this morning and arrived at the same conclusion that it is NOT multi-user capable. It would have to be installed in each user's home directory. BUT here is a solution - theorically - not tried yet... Linux has a /etc/skel/ directory that contains the "skeleton" on which a new user is based. IF ??? one were to install CMAP into a test user. Then BEFORE he "registers" it with his name and password, take the that directory and plop it into the etc/skel. A new user would then automatically get this directory on the creation of a new user. Then one would need to create an icon on the KDE desktop that runs sh cmaptools without having the user go down to a terminal.... Do you think this would work? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Schwankl Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:24 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Subject: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP David Trask wrote: > The other day I downloaded and installed this killer > app (Inspiration look-alike) called CMapTools. It works great....for > one > user. Has anyone tried this app and does anyone have any ideas on how > I > can get it installed "multi-user" on the K12LTSP server? David, I don't have an answer, but am interested in how things turn out. I tried to install this app but didn't get it to run for even one user :-( However, that is not uncommon for me. Which version of K12LTSP are you using? Where did you install to? How did you install? From source, or using the binary? Peace, Jimmy Schwankl It's easier to take it apart than to put it back together. -- Washlesky _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed May 19 15:09:07 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:09:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mount CDROM locally Message-ID: It is possible to mount the floppy locally on the terminal. Is it also possible to mount the local CD-ROM drive on the terminal? joe = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed May 19 15:21:53 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:21:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lockd: cannot monitor 10.200.1.254 In-Reply-To: <1084970175.1946.5.camel@hopper.chilitech.net> References: <1084970175.1946.5.camel@hopper.chilitech.net> Message-ID: <40AB7B91.8050500@criticalcontrol.com> Had something simular once, was a NIC going wacky, replaced the NIC problem solved. Any other hardware between NFS and the TS? Try another port on hub/switch/... 2 cents Canadian Peter From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Wed May 19 15:08:54 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:08:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] lockd: cannot monitor 10.200.1.254 Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5AAA@ILFGEXC> Canadian Cents are worthless ... we all know that. Disregard Pete's previous email :p lol :) -----Original Message----- From: Pete [mailto:pvdw at criticalcontrol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:22 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lockd: cannot monitor 10.200.1.254 Had something simular once, was a NIC going wacky, replaced the NIC problem solved. Any other hardware between NFS and the TS? Try another port on hub/switch/... 2 cents Canadian Peter ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed May 19 15:25:06 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:25:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >After your post about an Inspiration "clone" my mind went into full alert. >I am in the process of setting up an LTSP and this was one of the missing >apps ... so to have a concept mapping tool would be wonderful. > I installed it at home on a Windows PC last night. Yes it works well, >but >is fairly simple.... not a lot of bells and whistles. I also installed it >on my LTSP server this morning and arrived at the same conclusion that it >is >NOT multi-user capable. It would have to be installed in each user's home >directory. > >BUT here is a solution - theorically - not tried yet... >Linux has a /etc/skel/ directory that contains the "skeleton" on which a >new >user is based. IF ??? one were to install CMAP into a test user. Then >BEFORE he "registers" it with his name and password, take the that >directory >and plop it into the etc/skel. A new user would then automatically get >this >directory on the creation of a new user. > >Then one would need to create an icon on the KDE desktop that runs sh >cmaptools without having the user go down to a terminal.... > >Do you think this would work? Hmmm....dunno...try it and let me know ;-) Actually I may be able to try it soon....however if anyone beats me to it...please post your results :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed May 19 15:30:55 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:30:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba In-Reply-To: <1084977149.7700.34.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <1084977149.7700.34.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >signorseal patch is no longer needed >> for samba3. Does it hurt? Meaning will it prevent anything if the signorseal patch is applied in Samba 3? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed May 19 15:44:27 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:44:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba In-Reply-To: References: <1084977149.7700.34.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <1081.170.211.161.253.1084981467.squirrel@170.211.161.253> David Trask said: > Does it hurt? Meaning will it prevent anything if the signorseal patch is > applied in Samba 3? No it is fine. We had to do that patch when we had 2.x samba. We upgraded to 3 and things work fine. I didn't know you no longer needed it. From petre at maltzen.net Wed May 19 16:12:08 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:12:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board In-Reply-To: <1084571129.2176.71.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20040514020254.PFAM22519.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <40A532E0.4040809@maltzen.net> <1084571129.2176.71.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40AB8758.4010802@maltzen.net> I tried the 'GetJAVA' link but apt-get keeps failing when it tries to connect to ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu, says there are too many users. None of the other sites it connects to have that problem. I guess I'll just try again later. Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 15:58, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>The problem appears to be with Moz loading the java at startup. I've got the >>symlink to the java in my ~/.mozilla/plugins, but when I startup Moz, I get this: >> >>LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library >>/opt/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so >>[/opt/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so: undefined >>symbol: _ZdlPv] >> >>I had installed the java from the rpm file that Sun provides. I also tried the >>plain tarball file, and got the same error, which makes me think the problem may >>be with Moz not java. I'm running Moz 1.6b where b stands for beta, and I think >>I'll try the later 1.6 release. I've also downloaded the blackdown java to see >>if that makes a difference (haven't installed it yet, though). > > > Did you try the 'GetJAVA' link that you find in root's 'install > additional software' folder? It should load the right version > of the jre and plugin for you. See /usr/sbin/get.java for the > details. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed May 19 16:18:19 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:18:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: mozilla and Compaq Remote Insight Lights-Out board In-Reply-To: <40AB8758.4010802@maltzen.net> References: <20040514020254.PFAM22519.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <40A532E0.4040809@maltzen.net> <1084571129.2176.71.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40AB8758.4010802@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1084983499.492.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 11:12, Petre Scheie wrote: > I tried the 'GetJAVA' link but apt-get keeps failing when it tries to connect to > ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu, says there are too many users. None of the other > sites it connects to have that problem. I guess I'll just try again later. Fedora core2 was just released yesterday so you are probably competing with half the world grabbing a 4-iso image set. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed May 19 16:21:49 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:21:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The /etc/skel placement did work ... it transferred the directory and shortcut to the new user's home directory. But the shortcuts did not run as they still point back to the original test user directory. But another problem here. I installed it for admin and for test and when test is using CmapTools, admin cannot run it as well, although both are installed in their own home directories. "Another Copy of CmapTools v3 seems to already be running or is starting up. This one will terminate." It will refuse to let more than one person run CmapTools on the same computer. It knows that it is running, thus the second user gets dumped. I guess it should run on thick clients locally, but not collectively on a terminal server. too bad ... this had so much potential :-(( joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:25 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP Hmmm....dunno...try it and let me know ;-) Actually I may be able to try it soon....however if anyone beats me to it...please post your results :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Wed May 19 11:30:42 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:30:42 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Sagebrush Spectrum Client Message-ID: <1084966242.7556.5.camel@Samantha.frederic.local> I tried it under wine but it wont even install. At least I couldn't get it to. -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District (715) 327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, take a look at the following smb.conf parameters server schannel server signing client schannel client signing Mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:31 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >signorseal patch is no longer needed >> for samba3. Does it hurt? Meaning will it prevent anything if the signorseal patch is applied in Samba 3? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 19 17:41:14 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:41:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mailing list manager In-Reply-To: <1084976222.16845.93.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <004601c43dc8$7e78b550$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > Have you looked at mailman? (http://www.list.org/) I think > it'll give you what you want. Actually that is the only one I have looked at. I was just looking for backup from the list that this was a good choice without any steering. I will probably go with it. Thanks for the input. From les at futuresource.com Wed May 19 18:01:24 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:01:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mailing list manager In-Reply-To: <004601c43dc8$7e78b550$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004601c43dc8$7e78b550$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1084989683.5080.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 12:41, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > [SNIP] > > Have you looked at mailman? (http://www.list.org/) I think > > it'll give you what you want. > > Actually that is the only one I have looked at. I was just looking for > backup from the list that this was a good choice without any steering. > I will probably go with it. Thanks for the input. It wasn't clear from your first post whether you were talking about a list manager or mail transports in general. Mailman is fine as a list manager if you want the option of archives, filtering, moderating, etc.. If you just want local expansion of group names and normal delivery you can do that with aliases. If mailman isn't already installed you should be able to get it with: yum install mailman --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Wed May 19 18:19:12 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:19:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie -> (Fedora Core 2+LTSP) OR (K12LTSP plus CORE 2 updates) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040519105037.01f26bb0@pop.ptld.qwest.net> Hi, I'm about to install my first ever thin client setup. This is just for my house. I want a cheap way to distribute some workstations throughout the place, for the kids, media, etc., and leverage the fact that I already run and maintain a very lightly used LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) development server in the basement anyway. So, I have a new server coming in the mail and I'm trying to figure out what to install on it. (As an aside, have you folks seen the specs on the Dell Poweredge 400sc, I got one with a P4 2.26 on eBay for $355 shipped, seems like a lot of bang for the buck) I need a PHP/MySQL/Apache web server on the public IP and I want thin clients on the internal Eth. I'd like to start off up to date vis-a-vis what's in the Fedora Core 2 package. I'd like to have all the apps available too, I don't need to limit what's on the server like you might in a school. So, should I install K12LTSP 4.0.1 and then update the hell out of it? Or, should I install Fedora Core 2 and then add LTSP? What's going to be easiest/quickest installwise? what's the most stable? What will give me the most usable features in terms of both of the kinds of servers that I'm expecting this thing to be? My inclination is to install the K12LTSP first, because it seems like there's a lot of value added work done as far as the LTSP installation/configuration. But it's more of a guess than an informed opinion. Maybe there's no clear answer here, but I'd enjoy a debate of the topic. Thank you in advance for any opinions or experiences you'd care to share. ck From petre at maltzen.net Wed May 19 18:18:39 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:18:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40ABA4FF.3000509@maltzen.net> This is a long shot, but I'll mention it anyway: You might look into User Mode Linux (UML) which allows you to run multiple, separate instances of Linux on top of Linux, akin to VMWare. If you did this on a server separate from your LTSP server, perhaps multiple users could start up separate Linux instances and each run CmapTools within. I'd say there's a very good chance in won't work, but it would be fun to investigate. Petre Joe Guenther wrote: > The /etc/skel placement did work ... it transferred the directory and > shortcut to the new user's home directory. But the shortcuts did not run as > they still point back to the original test user directory. > > But another problem here. I installed it for admin and for test and when > test is using CmapTools, admin cannot run it as well, although both are > installed in their own home directories. > "Another Copy of CmapTools v3 seems to already be running or is starting up. > This one will terminate." > > It will refuse to let more than one person run CmapTools on the same > computer. It knows that it is running, thus the second user gets dumped. I > guess it should run on thick clients locally, but not collectively on a > terminal server. > > too bad ... this had so much potential :-(( > joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of David Trask > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:25 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP > > > Hmmm....dunno...try it and let me know ;-) Actually I may be able to try > it soon....however if anyone beats me to it...please post your results :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed May 19 18:25:18 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:25:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie -> (Fedora Core 2+LTSP) OR (K12LTSP plus CORE 2updates) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040519105037.01f26bb0@pop.ptld.qwest.net> Message-ID: <004801c43dce$a35301e0$1803010a@paasda.org> I'd install K12LTSP (faster/easier/already packaged/if ya got kids they'll love the games =)*I love the games!* This being said, I'm still working on doing a k12ltsp like server on the debian platform... time and hardware issues have kept that from taking off too quickly though =) but yum & apt are your friends... =) I install k12ltsp and immediately apt the bejeezus outta it! usually a full days worth of installs/updates...but I'm on a meager DSL line also..*shrugs* --Huck (what you should do it pimp out the poweredge with k12ltsp, then take your lightly used LAMP and fiddle with your own install of LTSP on whatever distro cracks your whip...) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Carl Keil Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:19 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie -> (Fedora Core 2+LTSP) OR (K12LTSP plus CORE 2updates) Hi, I'm about to install my first ever thin client setup. This is just for my house. I want a cheap way to distribute some workstations throughout the place, for the kids, media, etc., and leverage the fact that I already run and maintain a very lightly used LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) development server in the basement anyway. So, I have a new server coming in the mail and I'm trying to figure out what to install on it. (As an aside, have you folks seen the specs on the Dell Poweredge 400sc, I got one with a P4 2.26 on eBay for $355 shipped, seems like a lot of bang for the buck) I need a PHP/MySQL/Apache web server on the public IP and I want thin clients on the internal Eth. I'd like to start off up to date vis-a-vis what's in the Fedora Core 2 package. I'd like to have all the apps available too, I don't need to limit what's on the server like you might in a school. So, should I install K12LTSP 4.0.1 and then update the hell out of it? Or, should I install Fedora Core 2 and then add LTSP? What's going to be easiest/quickest installwise? what's the most stable? What will give me the most usable features in terms of both of the kinds of servers that I'm expecting this thing to be? My inclination is to install the K12LTSP first, because it seems like there's a lot of value added work done as far as the LTSP installation/configuration. But it's more of a guess than an informed opinion. Maybe there's no clear answer here, but I'd enjoy a debate of the topic. Thank you in advance for any opinions or experiences you'd care to share. ck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Wed May 19 18:44:05 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:44:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Watching the User's web traffic... In-Reply-To: <40AA686F.7020601@esd165.org> Message-ID: I found the posting by eric http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-February/msg00004.html I followed the link to download the rpm with the changes but the only thing there was a dansguardian rpm. I applied the acl to my squidGuard.conf but it didn't do much. Anyone know where I can get the rpm with the patches? Thanks Jamie On 5/18/04 12:47 PM, "Matthew Ross" wrote: > Jamie McParland wrote: > >> Hmm.. I need that functionality for our district wide squid/squidguard >> server. Not an LTSP lab. Was it some sort of ACL in the squidguard conf? >> >> jamie >> >> >> > Yes, I needed that for my district-wide squid server as well. Happily, > it works fine for me once you apply the patches. > > I run a Debian squidbox, so I had to apply Eric's patch manualy then > make my own .deb file. Took some hair pulling, but it's happy now. > > Basicaly, it is SquidGuard looking at the URL like normal, and if it > matches your conditions, it redirects. What's special about his patch is > that the redirection can be dynamic, thus you can just take the current > requested URL and put "&safemode=active" at the end of it... forcing > google to be in safemode. > > Look in the archives of the list for where he put his patch... I can't > remeber off the top of my head. If you're running Debian, I might still > have the .deb... Sm:)e. > > --Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 19 18:44:49 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:44:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux user database question Message-ID: <004701c43dd1$607dc190$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Is it possible to have Linux pull from a mysql database for its usernames and passwords? I have seen the support for LDAP and NIS but am curious if I can us mysql. This would really make it easy to tie in my email, file server, website, and database software all together. I am afraid this may be wishfull thinking however. I have considered using LDAP but for one I don't understand it, and 2 have heard of speed lags with it. Thanks From jritchie at bible.edu Wed May 19 18:58:12 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:58:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux user database question In-Reply-To: <004701c43dd1$607dc190$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004701c43dd1$607dc190$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1084993092.16839.169.camel@penguin> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 14:44, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Is it possible to have Linux pull from a mysql database for its > usernames and passwords? I have seen the support for LDAP and NIS but > am curious if I can us mysql. This would really make it easy to tie in > my email, file server, website, and database software all together. I > am afraid this may be wishfull thinking however. I have considered > using LDAP but for one I don't understand it, and 2 have heard of speed > lags with it. LDAP would be the standard way of doing it which means you'll have much more support for this universally in other programs. You could even use pgina to authenticate XP machines to LDAP. Where have you heard about speed lags? I've been putting together plans to build a system based on LDAP and would like to read up on that issue. JSR/ From les at futuresource.com Wed May 19 19:07:24 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:07:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084993644.7633.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 11:21, Joe Guenther wrote: > It will refuse to let more than one person run CmapTools on the same > computer. It knows that it is running, thus the second user gets dumped. I > guess it should run on thick clients locally, but not collectively on a > terminal server. > > too bad ... this had so much potential :-(( Seems like a good question for the authors since they are obviously going out of their way to keep multiuser systems from working. Did you try the 'contact us' link on the site? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dalen at czexan.net Wed May 19 19:19:39 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:19:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie -> (Fedora Core 2+LTSP) OR (K12LTSP plus CORE 2 updates) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040519105037.01f26bb0@pop.ptld.qwest.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040519105037.01f26bb0@pop.ptld.qwest.net> Message-ID: <40ABB34B.9050808@czexan.net> Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I'm about to install my first ever thin client setup. This is just for > > So, should I install K12LTSP 4.0.1 and then update the hell out of it? > Or, should I install Fedora Core 2 and then add LTSP? What's going to Carl, You may want to wait a few days. As I recall, Eric mentioned that he would try and release a new K12LTSP based on FC2 when FC2 was released. As FC2 was released yesterday, we may see a new K12LTSP soon. Thanks, Dale From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 19 19:21:47 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:21:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux user database question In-Reply-To: <1084993092.16839.169.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <004801c43dd6$8a80d090$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > Where have you heard about speed lags? To tell you the truth I have no specific source of information regarding that. It is just something that is stuck in my head from things I could have swore I have read in the past. I may be absolutely wrong, however I do know by experience that a while back when I ran a MDaemon server with LDAP as the user database instead of a local flat file the speed decreased significantly and this was only with around 500 users. I went from instantaneous logins to 15 second logins, but I may have hosed the setup or Mdaemon's implementation of LDAP may have been insufficient. Definitely check into a more reliable source than myself. Also I am hard to please, what I might not think acceptable may seem perfect to others. From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed May 19 19:29:18 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:29:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1084993644.7633.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: upon your good suggestion, I have written them about this issue. I'll the list posted as to their reply. joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:07 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 11:21, Joe Guenther wrote: > It will refuse to let more than one person run CmapTools on the same > computer. It knows that it is running, thus the second user gets dumped. I > guess it should run on thick clients locally, but not collectively on a > terminal server. > > too bad ... this had so much potential :-(( Seems like a good question for the authors since they are obviously going out of their way to keep multiuser systems from working. Did you try the 'contact us' link on the site? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed May 19 19:32:32 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:32:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core2 & Adaptec SATA Message-ID: This question is mostly address to Eric Harrison ... Does anyone know if the Fedora Core 2 will support the Adaptec SATA RAID controllers? Currently the K12LTSP 4.0.1 does NOT. We have a new server we are readying for deployment and it has an Adaptec 1210SA RAID controller. It will install with Redhat 9 but not with Fedora Core1. We are waiting for core 2 ... if not we may have to go with a different SATA controller. To the rest ... what SATA RAID 0 controllers work with K12LTSP? joe = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed May 19 19:36:39 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:36:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 88 In-Reply-To: <20040519181858.5266073ECD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040519181858.5266073ECD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40ABB747.9060708@saskforestcentre.ca> Try using a chroot for it. If it is in a chroot jail, then the locking file it is creating in (/var/lock ? ) will be in the chroot jail. As long as it can find all it's libraries in the chroot jail, then the world is a happy place. With some caveats... Angus Carr Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:18:39 -0500 From: Petre Scheie Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <40ABA4FF.3000509 at maltzen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed This is a long shot, but I'll mention it anyway: You might look into User Mode Linux (UML) which allows you to run multiple, separate instances of Linux on top of Linux, akin to VMWare. If you did this on a server separate from your LTSP server, perhaps multiple users could start up separate Linux instances and each run CmapTools within. I'd say there's a very good chance in won't work, but it would be fun to investigate. Petre Joe Guenther wrote: >> The /etc/skel placement did work ... it transferred the directory and >> shortcut to the new user's home directory. But the shortcuts did not run as >> they still point back to the original test user directory. >> >> But another problem here. I installed it for admin and for test and when >> test is using CmapTools, admin cannot run it as well, although both are >> installed in their own home directories. >> "Another Copy of CmapTools v3 seems to already be running or is starting up. >> This one will terminate." >> >> It will refuse to let more than one person run CmapTools on the same >> computer. It knows that it is running, thus the second user gets dumped. I >> guess it should run on thick clients locally, but not collectively on a >> terminal server. >> >> too bad ... this had so much potential :-(( > From mross at esd165.org Wed May 19 19:41:55 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:41:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Watching the User's web traffic... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40ABB883.6050804@esd165.org> Jamie McParland wrote: >I found the posting by eric >http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-February/msg00004.html > >I followed the link to download the rpm with the changes but the only thing >there was a dansguardian rpm. > >I applied the acl to my squidGuard.conf but it didn't do much. >Anyone know where I can get the rpm with the patches? > >Thanks >Jamie > >On 5/18/04 12:47 PM, "Matthew Ross" wrote: > > > >>Jamie McParland wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hmm.. I need that functionality for our district wide squid/squidguard >>>server. Not an LTSP lab. Was it some sort of ACL in the squidguard conf? >>> >>>jamie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Yes, I needed that for my district-wide squid server as well. Happily, >>it works fine for me once you apply the patches. >> >>I run a Debian squidbox, so I had to apply Eric's patch manualy then >>make my own .deb file. Took some hair pulling, but it's happy now. >> >>Basicaly, it is SquidGuard looking at the URL like normal, and if it >>matches your conditions, it redirects. What's special about his patch is >>that the redirection can be dynamic, thus you can just take the current >>requested URL and put "&safemode=active" at the end of it... forcing >>google to be in safemode. >> >>Look in the archives of the list for where he put his patch... I can't >>remeber off the top of my head. If you're running Debian, I might still >>have the .deb... Sm:)e. >> >>--Matt >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > You're right, that link that is in the archived message doesn't get you to his SquidGuard package with the patch. Eric? You did you move that somewhere? --Matt From les at futuresource.com Wed May 19 19:43:10 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:43:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: CMapTools and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084995790.8716.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 14:29, Joe Guenther wrote: > upon your good suggestion, I have written them about this issue. I'll the > list posted as to their reply. I started to read my way through their web site but after about 4 pages all those boxes and arrows looked alike. I think it may be one of those things where you can go overboard with the idea too easily... --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Wed May 19 20:14:03 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:14:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Newbie -> (Fedora Core 2+LTSP) OR (K12LTSP plus CORE updates) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040519131015.01c61e60@pop.ptld.qwest.net> Thanks for the quick and great answers. I appreciate your help. I love Linux listservs. ck ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carl, You may want to wait a few days. As I recall, Eric mentioned that he would try and release a new K12LTSP based on FC2 when FC2 was released. As FC2 was released yesterday, we may see a new K12LTSP soon. Thanks, Dale ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >I'd install K12LTSP (faster/easier/already packaged/if ya got kids they'll love the games =)*I love the games!* This being said, I'm still working on doing a k12ltsp like server on the debian platform... time and hardware issues have kept that from taking off too quickly though =) but yum & apt are your friends... =) I install k12ltsp and immediately apt the bejeezus outta it! usually a full days worth of installs/updates...but I'm on a meager DSL line also..*shrugs* --Huck (what you should do it pimp out the poweredge with k12ltsp, then take your lightly used LAMP and fiddle with your own install of LTSP on whatever distro cracks your whip...) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>So, should I install K12LTSP 4.0.1 and then update the hell out of it? Or, should I install Fedora Core 2 and then add LTSP? What's going to be easiest/quickest installwise? what's the most stable? What will give me the most usable features in terms of both of the kinds of servers that I'm expecting this thing to be? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 19 20:11:45 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:11:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie -> (Fedora Core 2+LTSP) OR (K12LTSP plus CORE 2 updates) In-Reply-To: <40ABB34B.9050808@czexan.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040519105037.01f26bb0@pop.ptld.qwest.net> <40ABB34B.9050808@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1084997505.641.67.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 12:19, dalen wrote: > Carl Keil wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm about to install my first ever thin client setup. This is just for > > > > > So, should I install K12LTSP 4.0.1 and then update the hell out of it? > > Or, should I install Fedora Core 2 and then add LTSP? What's going to > > Carl, > You may want to wait a few days. As I recall, Eric mentioned that he > would try and release a new K12LTSP based on FC2 when FC2 was released. > As FC2 was released yesterday, we may see a new K12LTSP soon. > > Thanks, > > Dale I did a fresh build based on FC2 last night, including the latest LTSP cvs from a couple of days ago. I broke USB, as well as a couple other minor bugs, but it's fairly close to being usable. I have not touched bases with Jim this week, I'm not sure how close he is having LTSP 4.1 finished. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it to the point where apt/yum updates will pick up your changes through the release version? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed May 19 21:39:14 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:39:14 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Joining XP system to Samba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085002561.1258.59.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Joe, I know this isn't exactly what is required but it worked for some NT boxes I had. Add the other XP specific suggestions and you should get the desired result. Keep this in mind. I did this on my home machine, which is behind a firewall. 1) I disabled the firewall on the server (see note above). I know that SMB uses a particular port, but can't remember it / can't be bothered finding out which one it is at present. 2) I added the following line/s to the smb.conf file. This is for samba 2.x.x (thanks to one of the other list users) #!!!! one line added for XP Pro add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd -d /dev/null -g machines -c 'Machine Account' -s /bin/false -M %u This allowed the NTW machines to see mine. I use WEBMIN a lot for admin purposes. It has all of the tools in one place. As an ex-novell CNA I appreciate this. There is a Samba Machine accounts module available for Webmin now. I've used it and it seems to work well. HTH Bert On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 05:40, Joe Faletra wrote: > Ok folks this one is making me nuts. I am trying to join and XP system > to a Samba domain. I am using K12LTSP running samba, Here is the > smb.conf: > > # Date: 2004/05/14 10:12:23 > > # Global parameters > [global] > os level = 32 > workgroup = NEWFIELDS > domain logons = Yes > dns proxy = No > passwd program = /usr/sbin/passwd %u > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > local master = yes > netbios name = k12ltsp > ldap ssl = no > max log size = 50 > logon home = \\k12ltsp\%U > min passwd length = 2 > pam password change = yes > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > security = domain > unix password sync = yes > domain master = yes > wins support = true > encrypt passwords = yes > logon drive = h:// > > [homes] > comment = Home Directories > read only = No > browseable = No > writable = yes > valid users = %S > create mode = 0600 > directory mode = 0700 > logon home = \\k12ltsp\%U > hide files = /*.pst/ > From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed May 19 22:13:26 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:13:26 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail puzzle In-Reply-To: <40AB6201.7030609@psps.com> References: <1084940558.1726.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> <40AB6201.7030609@psps.com> Message-ID: <1085004605.1258.95.camel@rolston.localdomain> Thanks Paul, Your assumption was correct. This definitely looks like the answer to my problem. Fetchmail and send mail were installed from the Redhat CD's. So I'm assuming RH has set it up to run the daemon as root. I'll give this a shot. Thanks, Bert On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 01:32, Paul Davison wrote: > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >Hi folks, > > > > > > > >Fetchmail can collect domain mail from the ISP as the "mailman" user. > >"mailman" is also a user on the local server. > > > >HOW do I get individual mail from the mailman account using Squirrel > >mail EG. user1 mail into user1 Squirrel mail mailbox from the "mailman" > >account, user2,3...x and so on? > > > > > > > Hi Bert, > > I assume that the way you have your domain mail being delivered is as > follows. the email for all users in you domain is collected in a single > mailbox on your ISP's server. Then you are using Fetchmail to collect > all the mail from that account. and what you wish to do is have your > server sort the mail back out to the individual users it was originally > meant for. Is that a correct assumption? > > If the above assumption is correct, Fetchmail will probably do what you > need. > You are probably already running fetchmail as root in daemon mode. In > the .fetchmailrc you probably have an entry like the following: > > poll mail.yourisp.com proto pop3 user "mailman" password "secretpassword" > > > if you change that to something like: > > poll mail.yourisp.com proto pop3 localdomains your.domain.com : > user "mailman" with pass "secretpassword" to * here > > This tells fetchmail to collect the mail and deliver it to the sendmail > daemon on your machine for local delivery. This assumes that the email > addresses and usernames are the same. I am pretty sure you need to be > running the daemon as root for this to work properly. > > You might want to take a look at the fetchmail man page or fetchmail > howtos from Eric Raymonds homepage http://www.catb.org/~esr/fetchmail/ > He has examples/trouble shooting and some do's and don't for multidrop > mailboxes. > > I might add that if you have a persistent, or semi persistent connection > to the internet, you would probably have much better results having an > MX record added to your domain's DNS server to have the mail > automatically delivered straight to your mailserver instead of a dropbox. > > Hope that helps > > Paul Davison > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us Wed May 19 22:53:53 2004 From: jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:53:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tessa over wireless? Message-ID: Anyone doing tessa testing over 802.11b or 802.11G? If so how many laptops can you actually support while testing? Thanks Jamie From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Wed May 19 18:10:24 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:10:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> References: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <20040519141024.1a440723.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> I did something similar for my daughter when she was 4. It was a very simple approach but, I sure you can make it work. Any way - I always like the KISS approach. So here is what I am thinking for you - Give each Library terminal it's own name (i.e library01, library02, etc) and use the same password for each one to make life easy on the librarians. Then make your X script (.xsession, .xinitrc, etc) only launch the web browser in full screen mode - NOTHING ELSE. # My Kiosk .xsession script exec firefox See http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/pro/phoenix/kiosk.htm for a good HOW-TO for firefox, of course you could also use any other browser on the system. (Dillo accually comes to mind as a good option) Students should not be able to close the browser with the full screen option, and do not have ready access to anything else. If the browser does get closed, then the session is ended. You can set all of the users to use the same profile that is owned by root so they can't change the setting. I know that it does not have the autologin part, but like I said KISS. On Tue, 18 May 2004 15:40:28 -0500 Tim Litwiller wrote: > I want to setup several logins for a public area of the library. > I would like these to autologon to an account that opens a browser to > the card catalog web page. > I would also like the machine to log off and then back in if the > browser window is closed. > > Has anyone done something like this? What would be the scurity issues > I need to worry about? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed May 19 23:12:53 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:12:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <20040519141024.1a440723.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <006d01c43df6$d05fb980$1803010a@paasda.org> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gentgeen Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:10 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] library kiosks [SNIP] Students should not be able to close the browser with the full screen option, and do not have ready access to anything else. If the browser does get closed, then the session is ended. You can set all of the users to use the same profile that is owned by root so they can't change the setting. [/SNIP] Doesn't alt-f4 close full screen browsers? I have never run in full screen on a linux box..but in windows it still closes it =) --Huck From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu May 20 00:22:05 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:22:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <20040519141024.1a440723.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> <20040519141024.1a440723.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <20040519202205.17a1a800.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Don't normally reply to my own message, but I have been playing around some more today with the kiosk idea and thought of something - figured I share. (I have the day off, so lots of free time :=) If you like my earlier idea about each library terminal having it's own name then here is a really simple idea. For each library user, make the X sript as follows: # Kiosk .xsession script exec dillo http://www.LIBRARYSITE.HERE Then for each library user, edit the ~/.dillo/dillorc file to set the initial geometry to screen size (800x600 or whatever), and set the show_menubar=NO. You can adjust as needed for your use. The dillorc file is well commented. This of-course assumes that dillo will display your library web pages correctly. Dillo does not handle login or CSS. I think this makes a very nice, locked down kiosk. The only change I would make is to the mouse buttons. I would want to set ALL of the mouse buttons to the left button. So students could not use the right click menu inside dillo. Anyone know how to do that at the .xsession script? NOTE - The ALT-F4 only works if you have a window manager running. I tried it out with my dillo setup above and the only way to get out of X is to issue the CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE On Wed, 19 May 2004 14:10:24 -0400 Gentgeen wrote: > I did something similar for my daughter when she was 4. It was a very > simple approach but, I sure you can make it work. Any way - I always > like the KISS approach. So here is what I am thinking for you - > > Give each Library terminal it's own name (i.e library01, library02, > etc) and use the same password for each one to make life easy on the > librarians. Then make your X script (.xsession, .xinitrc, etc) only > launch the web browser in full screen mode - NOTHING ELSE. > > # My Kiosk .xsession script > exec firefox > > See http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/pro/phoenix/kiosk.htm for a good > HOW-TO for firefox, of course you could also use any other browser on > the system. (Dillo accually comes to mind as a good option) > > Students should not be able to close the browser with the full screen > option, and do not have ready access to anything else. If the browser > does get closed, then the session is ended. You can set all of the > users to use the same profile that is owned by root so they can't > change the setting. > > I know that it does not have the autologin part, but like I said KISS. > > > On Tue, 18 May 2004 15:40:28 -0500 > Tim Litwiller wrote: > > > I want to setup several logins for a public area of the library. > > I would like these to autologon to an account that opens a browser > > to the card catalog web page. > > I would also like the machine to log off and then back in if the > > browser window is closed. > > > > Has anyone done something like this? What would be the scurity > > issues I need to worry about? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > ***************************************************************** > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu May 20 03:21:49 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 23:21:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 88 In-Reply-To: <40ABB747.9060708@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <20040519181858.5266073ECD@hormel.redhat.com> <40ABB747.9060708@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Try using a chroot for it. If it is in a chroot jail, then the locking >file it is creating in (/var/lock ? ) will be in the chroot jail. As long >as it can find all it's libraries in the chroot jail, then the world is a >happy place. With some caveats... > >Angus Carr Ummmm...how do I do that? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 20 03:48:31 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:18:31 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Open office Startup delay on RAID 1 In-Reply-To: <40AB4391.6050609@vsnl.com> References: <40AB0728.207@vsnl.com> <1084958540.24464.3.camel@server.ltsp> <40AB4391.6050609@vsnl.com> Message-ID: <1085024911.15485.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 16:52, vcare wrote: > Thanks Sudev for instant reply. > These is my a new Server , and New Installtion. and new openoffice > directories. > The same setup doesn't give me any problems on other servers but only > with Mirroed Harddisk only. > > can u guess ?? > regards > Dinesh AFAIK Mirrored will always be slower. Similarly in Raid0 you will see speed improvements but when you get to mirroring in Raid3(?) and above. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Thu May 20 04:23:15 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 23:23:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Request Tracker Message-ID: <1085026994.11253.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> If anyone has looked at RT from http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ as a trouble ticket/issue tracker program but thought it would be too hard to install, someone has packaged it for rpm/yum installs. See http://wiki.bestpractical.com/index.cgi?RPMInstall for details. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Thu May 20 04:37:32 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 23:37:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open office Startup delay on RAID 1 In-Reply-To: <1085024911.15485.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <40AB0728.207@vsnl.com> <1084958540.24464.3.camel@server.ltsp> <40AB4391.6050609@vsnl.com> <1085024911.15485.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1085027851.11253.55.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 22:48, Sudev Barar wrote: > AFAIK Mirrored will always be slower. Similarly in Raid0 you will see > speed improvements but when you get to mirroring in Raid3(?) and above. Raid1 should not be noticeably slower than single drives on SCSI at least. Writes happen almost in parallel and reads can take whichever drive responds fastest. With IDE drives you would want to make sure the mirrored partitions are on different controllers and there is still more overhead than SCSI. Also, I've seen DiskDruid do some really stupid things when trying to make raid mirrors during an install - like rearrange things so both partitions of the RAID are on the same physical drive. Check with "cat /proc/mdstat' which physical partitions are part of each md device. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu May 20 08:09:51 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:09:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Think to use open source???? In-Reply-To: <04May19.005620cest.87168@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <001501c43d1e$703744c0$1803010a@paasda.org> <04May19.005620cest.87168@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <33240.217.208.78.83.1085040591.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Hi Huck! While i agree that to much complexity is bad its also something i have come to like when i amdin linux. The lack of a layer between the user and the system makes it transparent if you only leearn how it works. As an admin its a wonderful fealing to know you can repair something instead of just reinstall it and hope for the best as in many other systems. I also saves considerable amounts of time. The ability to tweak things is also something good. What you ask for, an easy system for someone who dont want to see the inners of a system exists. There are linux dists that is very easy to use like Xandros or Lindows etc. As for a server OS we have seen that an OS that is easy on the surface can be hard as hell to manage in reality. Especially if you take one little step off the guided path. In fact Microsoft has been taking some notes about why linux is so nice in a big network and is implementing a couple of things that is cloned from *nix. The CLI is one example. Why should we move away from things Microsoft has aknowledged as an advantage over Windows? > Huck, > > wouldn't it be nice if we didn't all have to do the same thinking over and > over. Why not let someone do the thinking once. Do we all have to > re-invent the wheel? In that sense lots of open source software expects > too > much of the end user. Only once that level of complexity is simplfied for > those that need it, will open source software be as successful as > Microsoft > has been. MS products have a great polish and finish. OK, sometimes it > does too much too automatically - drives me nuts sometimes, but where > would > the computing world be without all the wonderful interface that Windows > has > brought to us. I remember when Win3.1 came along ... it empowered us to > do > scalable fonts. That was BIG when compared to each DOS program doing its > own > fonts, printers, etc. > > So lets set our goals and visions high. Expect great things from open > source. Don't be satisfied with a half-cook bunch of software. I fully > agree with you that OpenSource has been a FANTASTIC addition to our life. > It > will be as big a revolution as the Windows on the PC revolution. There are > SO MANY reasons to get onto OpenSource software, but for it to be really > world changing, there are still many things that are too complicated ... > your example of not being able to figure out the configuration is a > perfect > example. Why do we all have to bring along our own seatbelts, install > them, > etc. Why can't we just sit down, buckle up and enjoy the ride? > > my little rant for the afternoon... > joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:24 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager > > > egads!!! finally... > the transparent proxy deal works fine I guess... > I was having the hanging indefinately and thought it was a > "squid/dansguardian" issue... > apparently no proxy settings required. yahoo! wonderific... > I honestly don't understand how people can build any sort of a valid > arguement against open source =) > the tools, and software available are just awesome!!! even if it does > take some tweaking to make it work... > I suppose windows can just say "our software is for idiots" plug it > in...and let it take you for a ride. > and Open source says "warning, you might have to THINK to use this > product, be forewarned" =) > > --Huck > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:46 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager > > > I have never used the software before but I just pulled up a screenshot > of the software from their site to see what you are talking about. After > looking at the "Publishing address (e.g.: > 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'):" section and also seeing that there > is login information below I may have an idea. It looks like you should > treat it like a normail ftp client, give it the domain in the Publishing > address section and the logon credentials in the Login Information > section. So if ftp://username:password at ftp.yourdomain.com works in a > Firefox then the Publishing address would be ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com > and the Login information would be Username: username and Password: > password. You may want to try and see if that works quick (if you > haven't already). Now if inside that folder you have a public_html > folder that the files have to reside in and you are unable to navigate > there manually you may have to edit the Publishing address to be > ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com/public_html so they export to the right > location. > > Good luck > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:20 PM >> To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager >> >> >> Thanks for all of the ideas guys...no luck on any of them.. >> in Firefox if I ftp://:@ it works fine... >> even ftp://@ works and just opens a little >> window to input passwd... >> >> but in Nvu no such luck... >> going to make updating the site a pain...(at least with this >> product for >> now) >> >> --Huck >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Les Bell >> >> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:31 PM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager >> >> >> >> "Huck" wrote: >> >> >> >> I can't get it to retrieve the files from the remote server. >> >> apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g. >> 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means.. >> << >> >> Huck, have you tried using an http:// URL, rather than an FTP >> one? Most web page design tools I've seen have used http to >> *fetch* the pages - after all, that's the protocol the web >> server uses - and then uses FTP to publish or upload them. >> >> I just used an http:// URL to fetch my own home page with >> Nvu, using File >> -> Open Web Location, and it worked like I'd expect. >> >> Best, >> >> --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP >> [http://www.lesbell.com.au] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Daniel Hedblom Admin Nipan School District Sweden +46 620-68 26 38 +46 70-383 72 44 From goblin at scooter.co.nz Thu May 20 11:14:13 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (MrGoblin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 23:14:13 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <20040519202205.17a1a800.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> <20040519141024.1a440723.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> <20040519202205.17a1a800.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <40AC9305.1040504@scooter.co.nz> Gentgeen wrote: > I think this makes a very nice, locked down kiosk. The only change I > would make is to the mouse buttons. I would want to set ALL of the > mouse buttons to the left button. So students could not use the right > click menu inside dillo. Anyone know how to do that at the .xsession > script? You could just set Option "Buttons" "1" in the XF86Config > NOTE - The ALT-F4 only works if you have a window manager running. I > tried it out with my dillo setup above and the only way to get out of X > is to issue the CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE You can also use xmodmap to disable any keys you want (can also change the mouse button order) mRgOBLIN From jritchie at bible.edu Thu May 20 11:43:37 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:43:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <006d01c43df6$d05fb980$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <006d01c43df6$d05fb980$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1085053416.16837.221.camel@penguin> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 19:12, Huck wrote: > Doesn't alt-f4 close full screen browsers? I have never run in full > screen on a linux box..but in windows it still closes it =) > > --Huck Depends on your WM and how you have it setup. In fluxbox (My WM of Choice) it changes to the 4th Desktop, by default. In Linux you can almost always change anything with some work. :-) JSR/ From jritchie at bible.edu Thu May 20 11:51:50 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:51:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Request Tracker In-Reply-To: <1085026994.11253.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1085026994.11253.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1085053910.16858.227.camel@penguin> It could be a hard install, but they've done a lot to simplify it. Since it's dependent on a small fortune of PERL modules, it has a script that automatically checks your compliance to its dependencies and, if you tell it to, will use CPAN to go get those modules and install them. This makes the install from tarball pretty easy, if a little unusual. I haven't messed with the RPM as I don't usually use RPM based distros. It also has a very flexible environment that can meet a large variety of needs and a very active mailing list (more than this one) with many very technically competent individuals willing to help out. JSR/ On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 00:23, Les Mikesell wrote: > If anyone has looked at RT from http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ > as a trouble ticket/issue tracker program but thought it would > be too hard to install, someone has packaged it for rpm/yum > installs. See http://wiki.bestpractical.com/index.cgi?RPMInstall > for details. From jritchie at bible.edu Thu May 20 12:10:40 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 08:10:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Think to use open source???? In-Reply-To: <33240.217.208.78.83.1085040591.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> References: <001501c43d1e$703744c0$1803010a@paasda.org> <04May19.005620cest.87168@fw01.solleftea.se> <33240.217.208.78.83.1085040591.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1085055040.16837.241.camel@penguin> On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 04:09, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > Hi Huck! > > While i agree that to much complexity is bad its also something i have > come to like when i amdin linux. The lack of a layer between the user and > the system makes it transparent if you only leearn how it works. As an > admin its a wonderful fealing to know you can repair something instead of > just reinstall it and hope for the best as in many other systems. I also > saves considerable amounts of time. The ability to tweak things is also > something good. What you ask for, an easy system for someone who dont want > to see the inners of a system exists. There are linux dists that is very > easy to use like Xandros or Lindows etc. > > As for a server OS we have seen that an OS that is easy on the surface can > be hard as hell to manage in reality. Especially if you take one little > step off the guided path. > > In fact Microsoft has been taking some notes about why linux is so nice in > a big network and is implementing a couple of things that is cloned from > *nix. The CLI is one example. Why should we move away from things > Microsoft has aknowledged as an advantage over Windows? I'd just like to second everything said in the email above. During a little XP training the instructor kept sending me back to CLI and I kep finding more things that had changed to be like Linux since w98. I made sure to point them out to the instructor since I was one of 2 people. :-) Once you really learn a system, you can't beat the feeling of popping into a config file, changing a line and seeing it magically all work, very satisfying and on top of that, if a user is watching they are very impressed. (Bump up your departments PR) :-) JSR/ From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Thu May 20 12:12:40 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:12:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie -> (Fedora Core 2+LTSP) OR (K12LTSP plus CORE 2 updates) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040519105037.01f26bb0@pop.ptld.qwest.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040519105037.01f26bb0@pop.ptld.qwest.net> Message-ID: <40ACA0B8.1050705@jsoft.com> I'm also looking forward to k12ltsp with Fedora Core 2 + LTSP 4.1. We will be at a homeschool conference in Houston in June and I would like to have a small setup to show what folks can do at home. I hope to have k12ltsp 4.1 (is that what it's named?) on it. Showing k12ltsp is not a goal for the conference, but it would be nice to be able to comment on it there. Gary From les at futuresource.com Thu May 20 12:35:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:35:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Request Tracker In-Reply-To: <1085053910.16858.227.camel@penguin> References: <1085026994.11253.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1085053910.16858.227.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1085056503.13940.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 06:51, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > It could be a hard install, but they've done a lot to simplify it. Since > it's dependent on a small fortune of PERL modules, it has a script that > automatically checks your compliance to its dependencies and, if you > tell it to, will use CPAN to go get those modules and install them. This > makes the install from tarball pretty easy, if a little unusual. I > haven't messed with the RPM as I don't usually use RPM based distros. Yes, I had already installed by hand using fastcgi instead of mod_perl and probably won't switch to the RPM package for this version. However, there is a huge advantage to using the RPM packages in general when the maintainer also makes a yum repository available. It means all you have to do is add the repository to your yum.conf and all the bug fixes and updates happen automatically like for the rest of the system. I should probably point out that this version has a concept of 'custom fields' and approvals that could be used to track just about anything with a little setup work and it logs all the outbound email it sends too. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu May 20 13:03:15 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:03:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password Message-ID: Hi gang The unthinkable happened. Somehow I lost the root password to a new system, and I am facing the daunting task of having to reinstall everything... No files need to be saved, BUT, the question arises, what if the system is hacked and your root password changed? What security options are there? - I am thinking a boot disk with root login with no pwd or some such emergency app, something like the Install OSX CD in Macs, where one of the choices is change passwords (being linux based, one of our gurus ought to be able to reverse engineer the process...) Cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX -=o=- From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Thu May 20 13:18:23 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:18:23 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40ACB01F.7020205@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi gang > > The unthinkable happened. Somehow I lost the root password to a new > system, and I am facing the daunting task of having to reinstall > everything... No files need to be saved, BUT, the question arises, > what if the system is hacked and your root password changed? What > security options are there? - I am thinking a boot disk with root > login with no pwd or some such emergency app, something like the > Install OSX CD in Macs, where one of the choices is change passwords > (being linux based, one of our gurus ought to be able to reverse > engineer the process...) > Cheers > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > -=o=- Hi Alan, Your K12 CD's do have such functionality. When the Fedora logo pops up when you boot from CD1, type in 'linux rescue' and press enter. Later on, your system will be mounted under /mnt/sysimage (or something like that). Then you just type 'chroot /mnt/sysimage', and then 'passwd root', enter your password and your system is saved. Another option is booting into single user mode, or booting off another system (such as knoppix) and editing your passwd file from there. There are really many methods, and they're all very educational (or at least they were to me). -Jonathan From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu May 20 12:59:14 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 08:59:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] library kiosks In-Reply-To: <40AC9305.1040504@scooter.co.nz> References: <40AA74BC.2020606@litwiller.net> <20040519141024.1a440723.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> <20040519202205.17a1a800.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> <40AC9305.1040504@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <20040520085914.78b12ef5.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:14:13 +1200 MrGoblin wrote: > You could just set > Option "Buttons" "1" > in the XF86Config I was looking for a way to do it without using the XF86Config file. In my case, I have the kiosk "user" on the same system that I am using for normal work. I know if the kiosk is in the LTSP, then just edit the lts.conf, or if the kiosk it a stand alone, then XF86Config, I was just wondering if it could be done on a "user only" level? > You can also use xmodmap to disable any keys you want (can also change > the mouse button order) I tried using xmodmap to reset the mouse buttons (xmodmap -e "pointer=1 1 1"), but it did not work. I could change the order (xmodmap -e "pointer=3 2 1"), but I could not set them up to all be the same action. it gave me some crazy error when I did the "1 1 1" ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. -George Washington, Rules of Civility From jritchie at bible.edu Thu May 20 13:14:28 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:14:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085058868.16840.258.camel@penguin> No problem, this is an easy fix if you have local access. Message to follow on how, but shooting this one off to calm your fears... JSR/ On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 09:03, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi gang > > The unthinkable happened. Somehow I lost the root password to a new > system, and I am facing the daunting task of having to reinstall > everything... No files need to be saved, BUT, the question arises, > what if the system is hacked and your root password changed? What > security options are there? - I am thinking a boot disk with root > login with no pwd or some such emergency app, something like the > Install OSX CD in Macs, where one of the choices is change passwords > (being linux based, one of our gurus ought to be able to reverse > engineer the process...) > Cheers > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu May 20 13:18:13 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:18:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40ACB015.4040303@msln.net> I have not tried this, but googling netted this; http://linux.about.com/library/bl/open/newbie/blnewbie3.2.3.htm Maybe Mark Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi gang > > The unthinkable happened. Somehow I lost the root password to a new > system, and I am facing the daunting task of having to reinstall > everything... No files need to be saved, BUT, the question arises, > what if the system is hacked and your root password changed? What > security options are there? - I am thinking a boot disk with root > login with no pwd or some such emergency app, something like the > Install OSX CD in Macs, where one of the choices is change passwords > (being linux based, one of our gurus ought to be able to reverse > engineer the process...) > Cheers > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From jritchie at bible.edu Thu May 20 13:23:34 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:23:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085059414.16840.269.camel@penguin> You can use any linux boot CD. Knoppix is popular. This sets up an entirely separate filesystem. Then you mount your drives under that file system where you do have root permission and edit the file that would be /etc/shadow with your new root password. The line you want to change is going to look a little like this: root:$1$wPzR0h/8$ZnBFKP-dX0cG1r4.Ky/nc1:12125:0::::: It's a colon delimited file. The fields are defined in documentation across the web. The hash (i.e. $1$wPzR0h/8$ZnBFKP-dX0cG1r4.Ky/nc1) is what you want to change. (I changed mine a bit here so this isn't an exact copy of my hash). The easiest thing to do might be to change your root password (passwd) on the CD booted system and copy the hash from your local /etc/shadow to your LTSP /etc/shadow and you should be good to go. Reboot into the LTSP system and try to login as root. You might be able to put the root password in cleartext, but I think that requires messing with another file to indicate that you have cleartext passwords and I think it would be more difficult, plus you'd have to change back. This should only require a 1/2 hour of downtime. If you need more detailed instructions I'd be glad to provide, but figured you wanted it quick rather then detailed. JSR/ On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 09:03, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi gang > > The unthinkable happened. Somehow I lost the root password to a new > system, and I am facing the daunting task of having to reinstall > everything... No files need to be saved, BUT, the question arises, > what if the system is hacked and your root password changed? What > security options are there? - I am thinking a boot disk with root > login with no pwd or some such emergency app, something like the > Install OSX CD in Macs, where one of the choices is change passwords > (being linux based, one of our gurus ought to be able to reverse > engineer the process...) > Cheers > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Thu May 20 14:04:04 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: 20 May 2004 10:04:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085061844.7700.62.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 09:03, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi gang > > The unthinkable happened. Somehow I lost the root password to a new > system, and I am facing the daunting task of having to reinstall > everything... No files need to be saved, BUT, the question arises, > what if the system is hacked and your root password changed? What > security options are there? - I am thinking a boot disk with root > login with no pwd or some such emergency app, something like the > Install OSX CD in Macs, where one of the choices is change passwords > (being linux based, one of our gurus ought to be able to reverse > engineer the process...) So long as you haven't set up a password to prevent getting into single user mode you should be able to just do 'linux single' at the boot prompt. When you get booted up do a 'su' which should make you root with no password requested and then change the password in the usual way (passwd root). -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Hurry! Hire a teenager while they still know everything!!! From penguintiz at yahoo.com Thu May 20 16:04:38 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] forms and data collection In-Reply-To: <20040519193749.AB5AC75587@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040520160438.1230.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I run our district web server (on Linux with Apache of course) and I am getting more and more pressure to install FrontPage extensions on the web server. I am reluctant to do this for security reasons as well as the fact that the advanced features of FP only work in M$ Windows and IE.The school that is my main responsibility is the only multiplatform client enviroment (k12ltsp, Macs, and Windows). All other schools are Windows only. The main pressure for FP extensions is the need for forms via the web. What do people use for this? I need tools that are multiplatform, and easy to use. I have thought about PHP and MySql but am not far enough in my learning to know if it can be made friendlt for the average user. What are your suggestions? Thanks Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ? Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From raennnn at adelphia.net Thu May 20 16:43:32 2004 From: raennnn at adelphia.net (Roger Ellison) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:43:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <32899.200.145.158.170.1083606069.squirrel@riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <32899.200.145.158.170.1083606069.squirrel@riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1085071412.1264.10.camel@rae.home> Greetings, The machine I'm exploring K12LTSP on is used for dual booting a number of Linux distros. All of them use eth0 to access the internet thru the hub and on to the gateway/firewall machine. I added a second NIC (eth1) to the machine for K12LTSP to connect an old Mac client via a crossover cable. My question is: what do I have to do with the K12LTSP configuration to switch the roles of eth0 and eth1, so that eth0 goes to the outside world and eth1 connects to the K12LTSP clients? Thanks Roger From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Thu May 20 16:35:40 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:35:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5ABD@ILFGEXC> Well - I suppose you could just plug the cable in Eth0 into Eth1 and vice versa I assume that this is because you have a firewall script or something that assumes that eth1 is trusted and eth0 is teh net? Or something similar at least -----Original Message----- From: Roger Ellison [mailto:raennnn at adelphia.net] Sent: 20 May 2004 17:44 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 Greetings, The machine I'm exploring K12LTSP on is used for dual booting a number of Linux distros. All of them use eth0 to access the internet thru the hub and on to the gateway/firewall machine. I added a second NIC (eth1) to the machine for K12LTSP to connect an old Mac client via a crossover cable. My question is: what do I have to do with the K12LTSP configuration to switch the roles of eth0 and eth1, so that eth0 goes to the outside world and eth1 connects to the K12LTSP clients? Thanks Roger _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. 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From haysja at sages.us Thu May 20 16:54:32 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:54:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] forms and data collection In-Reply-To: <20040520160438.1230.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040520160438.1230.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40ACE2C8.9050408@sages.us> Where will the form output go? PHP/Mysl is what I use for most of my forms. But if you simply want a form where the data is emailed, you can use formmail.php. David Tisdell wrote: >Hi all, >I run our district web server (on Linux with Apache of >course) and I am getting more and more pressure to >install FrontPage extensions on the web server. I am >reluctant to do this for security reasons as well as >the fact that the advanced features of FP only work in >M$ Windows and IE.The school that is my main >responsibility is the only multiplatform client >enviroment (k12ltsp, Macs, and Windows). All other >schools are Windows only. >The main pressure for FP extensions is the need for >forms via the web. >What do people use for this? I need tools that are >multiplatform, and easy to use. I have thought about >PHP and MySql but am not far enough in my learning to >know if it can be made friendlt for the average user. >What are your suggestions? Thanks >Dave > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Domains ? Claim yours for only $14.70/year >http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 20 17:04:29 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:04:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5ABD@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <008501c43e8c$839d8aa0$1803010a@paasda.org> Ummm no...just swapping cables doesn't work =) dhcpd is configured to distribute IP's on a specific card.. /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd I believe is the script to add DHCPARGS="eth<#>" that and eth0 is set as 192.168.0.254 for the ltsp clients to connect to... the firewall issue (well you can just turn off firewalling =) or just change your eth0's to eth1's in your iptables firewalling script hrm..I'm sure there are other places that need editing...just can't think of them atm... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:36 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 Well - I suppose you could just plug the cable in Eth0 into Eth1 and vice versa I assume that this is because you have a firewall script or something that assumes that eth1 is trusted and eth0 is teh net? Or something similar at least From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Thu May 20 16:53:53 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:53:53 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5ABF@ILFGEXC> Well if he has one to as the lan and one as the net ... simply switching the cables will make the other one the lan / net :) -----Original Message----- From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] Sent: 20 May 2004 18:04 To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 Ummm no...just swapping cables doesn't work =) ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. 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From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Thu May 20 17:01:13 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] forms and data collection In-Reply-To: <40ACE2C8.9050408@sages.us> References: <20040520160438.1230.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <40ACE2C8.9050408@sages.us> Message-ID: <34238.10.20.1.133.1085072473.squirrel@postoffice> >>What do people use for this? I need tools that are >>multiplatform, and easy to use. I have thought about >>PHP and MySql but am not far enough in my learning to >>know if it can be made friendlt for the average user. >>What are your suggestions? Thanks >>Dave We have used phpForms http://phpformgen.sourceforge.net/ . It works for the limited number of people who have the need. We've set up a LAMP server and use this to create web based forms. Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From mross at esd165.org Thu May 20 17:18:14 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:18:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <008501c43e8c$839d8aa0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <008501c43e8c$839d8aa0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40ACE856.6020508@esd165.org> Huck wrote: >Ummm no...just swapping cables doesn't work =) > > There are other times when "just switch the cables" doesn't work, either. One example: NIC on the motherboard, which runs at 100Mbits is assigned Eth0. Secondary Nic, which I have plugged in via PCI slot is assigned Eth1... but this is my Gigabit network card. Obviously, I'd rather have my Gigabit card on the Eth0 side of things, as the traffic from a large number of clients would benifit from it. My WAN connection doesn't really need that kind of speed since it's limited much slower than 1-Gb/s. My solution: Turn off the onboard NIC, install another PCI NIC. Get the order of the cards right so Linux asigns the Gigabit adapter to Eth0. Works well enough for me, but a better solution must be out there. --Matt From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu May 20 17:26:46 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:26:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Think to use open source???? In-Reply-To: <33240.217.208.78.83.1085040591.squirrel@rix01.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Daniel, Yes you are right. On the server side of things, Linux is a WONDERFUL piece of technology... a very fine grid of complexity in the back end, but some well done GUI's up front if needed. But my point, which I really did not state. Is the for Linux to adopted en mass on the desktop ... the complexity will have to be hidden more. We are still expecting too much from the average Joe for them to try this on their desktop. Sorry I did not make myself clear. So you are very might right in your perspective. joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Hedblom Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:10 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Think to use open source???? Hi Huck! While i agree that to much complexity is bad its also something i have come to like when i amdin linux. The lack of a layer between the user and the system makes it transparent if you only leearn how it works. As an admin its a wonderful fealing to know you can repair something instead of just reinstall it and hope for the best as in many other systems. I also saves considerable amounts of time. The ability to tweak things is also something good. What you ask for, an easy system for someone who dont want to see the inners of a system exists. There are linux dists that is very easy to use like Xandros or Lindows etc. As for a server OS we have seen that an OS that is easy on the surface can be hard as hell to manage in reality. Especially if you take one little step off the guided path. In fact Microsoft has been taking some notes about why linux is so nice in a big network and is implementing a couple of things that is cloned from *nix. The CLI is one example. Why should we move away from things Microsoft has aknowledged as an advantage over Windows? > Huck, > > wouldn't it be nice if we didn't all have to do the same thinking over and > over. Why not let someone do the thinking once. Do we all have to > re-invent the wheel? In that sense lots of open source software expects > too > much of the end user. Only once that level of complexity is simplfied for > those that need it, will open source software be as successful as > Microsoft > has been. MS products have a great polish and finish. OK, sometimes it > does too much too automatically - drives me nuts sometimes, but where > would > the computing world be without all the wonderful interface that Windows > has > brought to us. I remember when Win3.1 came along ... it empowered us to > do > scalable fonts. That was BIG when compared to each DOS program doing its > own > fonts, printers, etc. > > So lets set our goals and visions high. Expect great things from open > source. Don't be satisfied with a half-cook bunch of software. I fully > agree with you that OpenSource has been a FANTASTIC addition to our life. > It > will be as big a revolution as the Windows on the PC revolution. There are > SO MANY reasons to get onto OpenSource software, but for it to be really > world changing, there are still many things that are too complicated ... > your example of not being able to figure out the configuration is a > perfect > example. Why do we all have to bring along our own seatbelts, install > them, > etc. Why can't we just sit down, buckle up and enjoy the ride? > > my little rant for the afternoon... > joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:24 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager > > > egads!!! finally... > the transparent proxy deal works fine I guess... > I was having the hanging indefinately and thought it was a > "squid/dansguardian" issue... > apparently no proxy settings required. yahoo! wonderific... > I honestly don't understand how people can build any sort of a valid > arguement against open source =) > the tools, and software available are just awesome!!! even if it does > take some tweaking to make it work... > I suppose windows can just say "our software is for idiots" plug it > in...and let it take you for a ride. > and Open source says "warning, you might have to THINK to use this > product, be forewarned" =) > > --Huck > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:46 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager > > > I have never used the software before but I just pulled up a screenshot > of the software from their site to see what you are talking about. After > looking at the "Publishing address (e.g.: > 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'):" section and also seeing that there > is login information below I may have an idea. It looks like you should > treat it like a normail ftp client, give it the domain in the Publishing > address section and the logon credentials in the Login Information > section. So if ftp://username:password at ftp.yourdomain.com works in a > Firefox then the Publishing address would be ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com > and the Login information would be Username: username and Password: > password. You may want to try and see if that works quick (if you > haven't already). Now if inside that folder you have a public_html > folder that the files have to reside in and you are unable to navigate > there manually you may have to edit the Publishing address to be > ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com/public_html so they export to the right > location. > > Good luck > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:20 PM >> To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager >> >> >> Thanks for all of the ideas guys...no luck on any of them.. >> in Firefox if I ftp://:@ it works fine... >> even ftp://@ works and just opens a little >> window to input passwd... >> >> but in Nvu no such luck... >> going to make updating the site a pain...(at least with this >> product for >> now) >> >> --Huck >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Les Bell >> >> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:31 PM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager >> >> >> >> "Huck" wrote: >> >> >> >> I can't get it to retrieve the files from the remote server. >> >> apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g. >> 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means.. >> << >> >> Huck, have you tried using an http:// URL, rather than an FTP >> one? Most web page design tools I've seen have used http to >> *fetch* the pages - after all, that's the protocol the web >> server uses - and then uses FTP to publish or upload them. >> >> I just used an http:// URL to fetch my own home page with >> Nvu, using File >> -> Open Web Location, and it worked like I'd expect. >> >> Best, >> >> --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP >> [http://www.lesbell.com.au] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Daniel Hedblom Admin Nipan School District Sweden +46 620-68 26 38 +46 70-383 72 44 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 20 17:28:45 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:28:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5ABD@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <008601c43e8f$e76f6820$1803010a@paasda.org> The easier solution is when installing k12ltsp...and you have the options to set up which network card does what... just flip-flop the configurations... --Huck From dalen at czexan.net Thu May 20 17:36:31 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:36:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <1085071412.1264.10.camel@rae.home> References: <32899.200.145.158.170.1083606069.squirrel@riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1085071412.1264.10.camel@rae.home> Message-ID: <40ACEC9F.1000504@czexan.net> Roger Ellison wrote: > Greetings, > > The machine I'm exploring K12LTSP on is used for dual booting a number > of Linux distros. All of them use eth0 to access the internet thru the > hub and on to the gateway/firewall machine. I added a second NIC (eth1) > to the machine for K12LTSP to connect an old Mac client via a crossover > cable. My question is: what do I have to do with the K12LTSP > configuration to switch the roles of eth0 and eth1, so that eth0 goes to > the outside world and eth1 connects to the K12LTSP clients? > > Thanks > Roger Roger, I recall this question asked before on this or the fedora list. You may want to search the archives. I think you can swap the HWADDR=macaddress lines between /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth[0-1] scripts but I'm not sure. It may be a change in /etc/modules.conf Someone more knowledgeable please chime in. From mross at esd165.org Thu May 20 17:42:09 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:42:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <008601c43e8f$e76f6820$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <008601c43e8f$e76f6820$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40ACEDF1.8000309@esd165.org> Huck wrote: >The easier solution is when installing k12ltsp...and you have the >options to set up which network card does what... >just flip-flop the configurations... > > > Yes, that would make sence, but doesn't LTSP do some magic to Eth0 and Eth1? I mean, it has to setup a NAT, and that's eth0 and eth1 specific. Changing the IP configuration won't fix that little tidbit. Long time ago, you could pass arguments to the linux kernel at boot time which card got eth0, eth1, etc... but that was for ISA cards and I don't know if that's still possible. --Matt From tim at litwiller.net Thu May 20 17:42:40 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:42:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <008601c43e8f$e76f6820$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <008601c43e8f$e76f6820$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40ACEE10.9060502@litwiller.net> or once you are done and find out they are wrong edit /etc/modules.conf disclaimer: this used to work - I haven't tried it on rh9 or above for example change alias eth0 eepro100 alias eth1 3c59x to alias eth0 3c59x alias eth1 eepro100 Huck wrote: >The easier solution is when installing k12ltsp...and you have the >options to set up which network card does what... >just flip-flop the configurations... > > > >--Huck > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From csitech at davisny.edu Thu May 20 17:44:38 2004 From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:44:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: <1085059414.16840.269.camel@penguin> References: <1085059414.16840.269.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1085075078.6885.11.camel@localhost> As a note on what Josiah said there are several smaller distros that do the same job as Knoppix. Tom's Root Boot for instance (www.toms.net) fits on a 3.25inch floppy. Or the Trinity Rescue Disk (http://trinityhome.org/trk/), though I haven't actually used the TRK to change root passwords before. Tom's works quite well for it and a quick search on google will give you plenty of how to's, though Josiah already provided a pretty comprehensive one. -Calvin On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 09:23, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > You can use any linux boot CD. Knoppix is popular. This sets up an > entirely separate filesystem. Then you mount your drives under that file > system where you do have root permission and edit the file that would be > /etc/shadow with your new root password. The line you want to change is > going to look a little like this: > > root:$1$wPzR0h/8$ZnBFKP-dX0cG1r4.Ky/nc1:12125:0::::: > > It's a colon delimited file. The fields are defined in documentation > across the web. The hash (i.e. $1$wPzR0h/8$ZnBFKP-dX0cG1r4.Ky/nc1) is > what you want to change. (I changed mine a bit here so this isn't an > exact copy of my hash). > > The easiest thing to do might be to change your root password (passwd) > on the CD booted system and copy the hash from your local /etc/shadow to > your LTSP /etc/shadow and you should be good to go. Reboot into the LTSP > system and try to login as root. > > You might be able to put the root password in cleartext, but I think > that requires messing with another file to indicate that you have > cleartext passwords and I think it would be more difficult, plus you'd > have to change back. > > This should only require a 1/2 hour of downtime. If you need more > detailed instructions I'd be glad to provide, but figured you wanted it > quick rather then detailed. > > JSR/ > > > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 09:03, Alan A Hodson wrote: > > Hi gang > > > > The unthinkable happened. Somehow I lost the root password to a new > > system, and I am facing the daunting task of having to reinstall > > everything... No files need to be saved, BUT, the question arises, > > what if the system is hacked and your root password changed? What > > security options are there? - I am thinking a boot disk with root > > login with no pwd or some such emergency app, something like the > > Install OSX CD in Macs, where one of the choices is change passwords > > (being linux based, one of our gurus ought to be able to reverse > > engineer the process...) > > Cheers > > Alan Hodson > > El Paso ISD, TX > > -=o=- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: csitech at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From austinsr at uindy.edu Thu May 20 18:07:53 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:07:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: <1085075078.6885.11.camel@localhost> References: <1085059414.16840.269.camel@penguin> <1085075078.6885.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1085076472.13725.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> If you still have the first install disk of K12ltsp, just pop it in the drive and boot the machine. When the installer window comes up, after the kernel boot, just jump over to virtual terminal 1 then: cd /tmp mkdir hd mount /dev/hda# /tmp/hd (put the number of your partition that / is on, probably hda2, if it is an IDE drive) chroot /tmp/hd /bin/bash you will now be sitting at a root prompt for your machine. just do a passwd root and you will be good to go. On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 13:44 -0400, Calvin Park wrote: > As a note on what Josiah said there are several smaller distros that do > the same job as Knoppix. Tom's Root Boot for instance (www.toms.net) > fits on a 3.25inch floppy. Or the Trinity Rescue Disk > (http://trinityhome.org/trk/), though I haven't actually used the TRK to > change root passwords before. Tom's works quite well for it and a quick > search on google will give you plenty of how to's, though Josiah already > provided a pretty comprehensive one. > > -Calvin > > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 09:23, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > > You can use any linux boot CD. Knoppix is popular. This sets up an > > entirely separate filesystem. Then you mount your drives under that file > > system where you do have root permission and edit the file that would be > > /etc/shadow with your new root password. The line you want to change is > > going to look a little like this: > > > > root:$1$wPzR0h/8$ZnBFKP-dX0cG1r4.Ky/nc1:12125:0::::: > > > > It's a colon delimited file. The fields are defined in documentation > > across the web. The hash (i.e. $1$wPzR0h/8$ZnBFKP-dX0cG1r4.Ky/nc1) is > > what you want to change. (I changed mine a bit here so this isn't an > > exact copy of my hash). > > > > The easiest thing to do might be to change your root password (passwd) > > on the CD booted system and copy the hash from your local /etc/shadow to > > your LTSP /etc/shadow and you should be good to go. Reboot into the LTSP > > system and try to login as root. > > > > You might be able to put the root password in cleartext, but I think > > that requires messing with another file to indicate that you have > > cleartext passwords and I think it would be more difficult, plus you'd > > have to change back. > > > > This should only require a 1/2 hour of downtime. If you need more > > detailed instructions I'd be glad to provide, but figured you wanted it > > quick rather then detailed. > > > > JSR/ > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 09:03, Alan A Hodson wrote: > > > Hi gang > > > > > > The unthinkable happened. Somehow I lost the root password to a new > > > system, and I am facing the daunting task of having to reinstall > > > everything... No files need to be saved, BUT, the question arises, > > > what if the system is hacked and your root password changed? What > > > security options are there? - I am thinking a boot disk with root > > > login with no pwd or some such emergency app, something like the > > > Install OSX CD in Macs, where one of the choices is change passwords > > > (being linux based, one of our gurus ought to be able to reverse > > > engineer the process...) > > > Cheers > > > Alan Hodson > > > El Paso ISD, TX > > > -=o=- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > Calvin Park > Assistant for Linux Systems > Computer Services Department > Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry > > web: www.davisny.edu > email: csitech at davisny.edu > phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu May 20 18:21:46 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:21:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: <1085075078.6885.11.camel@localhost> References: <1085059414.16840.269.camel@penguin> <1085075078.6885.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1085077306.29987.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 12:44, Calvin Park wrote: > As a note on what Josiah said there are several smaller distros that do > the same job as Knoppix. Tom's Root Boot for instance (www.toms.net) > fits on a 3.25inch floppy. Or the Trinity Rescue Disk > (http://trinityhome.org/trk/), though I haven't actually used the TRK to > change root passwords before. Tom's works quite well for it and a quick > search on google will give you plenty of how to's, though Josiah already > provided a pretty comprehensive one. For a password change all you have to do is a normal boot into single user mode, but the next level of problem (something like a missing file or misconfiguration that might prevent a normal boot) can be handled with the first CD of the Redhat/fedora/k12ltsp install set. Enter 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt and it will boot from the CD, then try to find and mount your hard disk installation under /mnt/sysimage. If it succeeds it will tell you how to chroot there and subsequent commands will work almost like normal so you can repair the problem. Then just 'exit' to unmount the hard drive and reboot. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu May 20 18:52:06 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: 20 May 2004 14:52:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <20040520172757.05EF374018@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040520172757.05EF374018@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1085079125.3511.35.camel@anthony> Hello, A couple of teachers have asked if there was a way for students to transfer files to and from home. I took a look at sourceforge and found bytehoard http://bytehoard.sourceforge.net/ Does anyone here have experience with this or have suggestions for other packages provide this functionality? If we do this it will most likely sit on a web server dedicated to this task. Michael - thanks for the link to phpformgen. It will come in handy! John On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 13:27, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to > k12osn at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > k12osn-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > k12osn-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. forms and data collection (David Tisdell) > 2. switching eth0 and eth1 (Roger Ellison) > 3. RE: switching eth0 and eth1 (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) > 4. Re: forms and data collection (Jim Hays) > 5. RE: switching eth0 and eth1 (Huck) > 6. RE: switching eth0 and eth1 (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) > 7. Re: forms and data collection (Michael Williams) > 8. Re: switching eth0 and eth1 (Matthew Ross) > 9. RE: Think to use open source???? (Joe Guenther) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:04:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Tisdell > Subject: [K12OSN] forms and data collection > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20040520160438.1230.qmail at web41907.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi all, > I run our district web server (on Linux with Apache of > course) and I am getting more and more pressure to > install FrontPage extensions on the web server. I am > reluctant to do this for security reasons as well as > the fact that the advanced features of FP only work in > M$ Windows and IE.The school that is my main > responsibility is the only multiplatform client > enviroment (k12ltsp, Macs, and Windows). All other > schools are Windows only. > The main pressure for FP extensions is the need for > forms via the web. > What do people use for this? I need tools that are > multiplatform, and easy to use. I have thought about > PHP and MySql but am not far enough in my learning to > know if it can be made friendlt for the average user. > What are your suggestions? Thanks > Dave > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains ? Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:43:32 -0400 > From: Roger Ellison > Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1085071412.1264.10.camel at rae.home> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Greetings, > > The machine I'm exploring K12LTSP on is used for dual booting a number > of Linux distros. All of them use eth0 to access the internet thru the > hub and on to the gateway/firewall machine. I added a second NIC (eth1) > to the machine for K12LTSP to connect an old Mac client via a crossover > cable. My question is: what do I have to do with the K12LTSP > configuration to switch the roles of eth0 and eth1, so that eth0 goes to > the outside world and eth1 connects to the K12LTSP clients? > > Thanks > Roger > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:35:40 +0100 > From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5ABD at ILFGEXC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well - I suppose you could just plug the cable in Eth0 into Eth1 and vice > versa > > I assume that this is because you have a firewall script or something that > assumes that eth1 is trusted and eth0 is teh net? > > Or something similar at least > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Ellison [mailto:raennnn at adelphia.net] > Sent: 20 May 2004 17:44 > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 > > > Greetings, > > The machine I'm exploring K12LTSP on is used for dual booting a number > of Linux distros. All of them use eth0 to access the internet thru the > hub and on to the gateway/firewall machine. I added a second NIC (eth1) > to the machine for K12LTSP to connect an old Mac client via a crossover > cable. My question is: what do I have to do with the K12LTSP > configuration to switch the roles of eth0 and eth1, so that eth0 goes to > the outside world and eth1 connects to the K12LTSP clients? > > Thanks > Roger > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ====================================================== > This email and any attached files are confidential and may > be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. > Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. > If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, > copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately > by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie > and then delete this email. > Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free > as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, > arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore > does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents > of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage > suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. > If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:54:32 -0500 > From: Jim Hays > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] forms and data collection > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <40ACE2C8.9050408 at sages.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Where will the form output go? > > PHP/Mysl is what I use for most of my forms. But if you simply want a > form where the data is emailed, you can use formmail.php. > > > > > David Tisdell wrote: > > >Hi all, > >I run our district web server (on Linux with Apache of > >course) and I am getting more and more pressure to > >install FrontPage extensions on the web server. I am > >reluctant to do this for security reasons as well as > >the fact that the advanced features of FP only work in > >M$ Windows and IE.The school that is my main > >responsibility is the only multiplatform client > >enviroment (k12ltsp, Macs, and Windows). All other > >schools are Windows only. > >The main pressure for FP extensions is the need for > >forms via the web. > >What do people use for this? I need tools that are > >multiplatform, and easy to use. I have thought about > >PHP and MySql but am not far enough in my learning to > >know if it can be made friendlt for the average user. > >What are your suggestions? Thanks > >Dave > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Domains ? Claim yours for only $14.70/year > >http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:04:29 -0700 > From: "Huck" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > Message-ID: <008501c43e8c$839d8aa0$1803010a at paasda.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Ummm no...just swapping cables doesn't work =) > > dhcpd is configured to distribute IP's on a specific card.. > /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd I believe is the script to add DHCPARGS="eth<#>" > that and eth0 is set as 192.168.0.254 for the ltsp clients to connect > to... > the firewall issue (well you can just turn off firewalling =) or just > change your eth0's to eth1's in your iptables firewalling script > > hrm..I'm sure there are other places that need editing...just can't > think of them atm... > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:36 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 > > > Well - I suppose you could just plug the cable in Eth0 into Eth1 and > vice versa > > I assume that this is because you have a firewall script or something > that assumes that eth1 is trusted and eth0 is teh net? > > Or something similar at least > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:53:53 +0100 > From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5ABF at ILFGEXC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well if he has one to as the lan and one as the net ... simply switching the > cables will make the other one the lan / net :) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] > Sent: 20 May 2004 18:04 > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 > > > Ummm no...just swapping cables doesn't work =) > > > ====================================================== > This email and any attached files are confidential and may > be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. > Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. > If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, > copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately > by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie > and then delete this email. > Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free > as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, > arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore > does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents > of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage > suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. > If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:01:13 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Michael Williams" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] forms and data collection > To: > Message-ID: <34238.10.20.1.133.1085072473.squirrel at postoffice> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >>What do people use for this? I need tools that are > >>multiplatform, and easy to use. I have thought about > >>PHP and MySql but am not far enough in my learning to > >>know if it can be made friendlt for the average user. > >>What are your suggestions? Thanks > >>Dave > > We have used phpForms http://phpformgen.sourceforge.net/ . It works for > the limited number of people who have the need. We've set up a LAMP server > and use this to create web based forms. > > Michael From penguintiz at yahoo.com Thu May 20 18:59:53 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] forms and data collection In-Reply-To: <20040520172757.703C57406B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040520185953.5748.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Michael, Great resource. Thanks. This looks quite useful Dave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Michael Williams" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] forms and data collection To: We have used phpForms http://phpformgen.sourceforge.net/ . It works for the limited number of people who have the need. We've set up a LAMP server and use this to create web based forms. Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ? Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From penguintiz at yahoo.com Thu May 20 19:01:22 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 94 In-Reply-To: <20040520172757.703C57406B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040520190122.85368.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Jim, Output to database. Thanks Dave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:54:32 -0500 From: Jim Hays Subject: Re: [K12OSN] forms and data collection To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <40ACE2C8.9050408 at sages.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Where will the form output go? PHP/Mysl is what I use for most of my forms. But if you simply want a form where the data is emailed, you can use formmail.php. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ? Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From les at futuresource.com Thu May 20 19:18:35 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:18:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <1085079125.3511.35.camel@anthony> References: <20040520172757.05EF374018@hormel.redhat.com> <1085079125.3511.35.camel@anthony> Message-ID: <1085080715.29987.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 13:52, John Baillie wrote: > A couple of teachers have asked if there was a way for students to > transfer files to and from home. I took a look at sourceforge and found > bytehoard http://bytehoard.sourceforge.net/ > > Does anyone here have experience with this or have suggestions for other > packages provide this functionality? > > If we do this it will most likely sit on a web server dedicated to this > task. Normal web/ftp servers tend to be insecure. You can probably find something that runs over https, but if you only want to keep ssh open to the outside, you can use winscp for file transfers from windows with drag&drop or cut/paste action: http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/index.php --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 20 19:35:13 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:35:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <1085080715.29987.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20040520172757.05EF374018@hormel.redhat.com> <1085079125.3511.35.camel@anthony> <1085080715.29987.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40AD0871.5020102@maltzen.net> Also, there's FileZilla which supports file transfers over SFTP. Graphical, very easy, only for Windows (sadly). Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 13:52, John Baillie wrote: > > >>A couple of teachers have asked if there was a way for students to >>transfer files to and from home. I took a look at sourceforge and found >>bytehoard http://bytehoard.sourceforge.net/ >> >>Does anyone here have experience with this or have suggestions for other >>packages provide this functionality? >> >>If we do this it will most likely sit on a web server dedicated to this >>task. > > > Normal web/ftp servers tend to be insecure. You can probably > find something that runs over https, but if you only want to > keep ssh open to the outside, you can use winscp for file > transfers from windows with drag&drop or cut/paste action: > http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/index.php > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jritchie at bible.edu Thu May 20 19:59:13 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:59:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <40AD0871.5020102@maltzen.net> References: <20040520172757.05EF374018@hormel.redhat.com> <1085079125.3511.35.camel@anthony> <1085080715.29987.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40AD0871.5020102@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1085083153.27914.15.camel@penguin> UserMin is from the same people as Webmin, but with a different focus. This might be worth taking a look at for you as it would also possibly provide other services. JSR/ On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 15:35, Petre Scheie wrote: > Also, there's FileZilla which supports file transfers over SFTP. Graphical, > very easy, only for Windows (sadly). > > Petre > > Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 13:52, John Baillie wrote: > > > > > >>A couple of teachers have asked if there was a way for students to > >>transfer files to and from home. I took a look at sourceforge and found > >>bytehoard http://bytehoard.sourceforge.net/ > >> > >>Does anyone here have experience with this or have suggestions for other > >>packages provide this functionality? > >> > >>If we do this it will most likely sit on a web server dedicated to this > >>task. > > > > > > Normal web/ftp servers tend to be insecure. You can probably > > find something that runs over https, but if you only want to > > keep ssh open to the outside, you can use winscp for file > > transfers from windows with drag&drop or cut/paste action: > > http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/index.php > > > > --- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu May 20 20:15:17 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:15:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Cmaptools / Inspiration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well the latest development from my testing... I can run Inspiration 7.5 under the current release of wine. It runs very well. I have not tried printing yet. or done very extensive files. I had tried Inspiration 6.0b yesterday. It would install, run once, but not a second time. So I dumped the .wine directory and reinstalled 7.5. viola! it worked. SO maybe this is the way to go. I would still like to see if I can get it installed in a common directory and run if from there for all users - simultaneously of course. greetings joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:22 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 88 "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Try using a chroot for it. If it is in a chroot jail, then the locking >file it is creating in (/var/lock ? ) will be in the chroot jail. As long >as it can find all it's libraries in the chroot jail, then the world is a >happy place. With some caveats... > >Angus Carr Ummmm...how do I do that? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Thu May 20 20:28:56 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: 20 May 2004 16:28:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nick berg Message-ID: <1085084936.2135.11.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> The beheading of Nick Berg has some become somewhat of a hot potato here today. My supervisors are interested in how other schools are dealing with this both from the policy standpoint and the measures taken to block if you've determined that it is inappropriate. It has been discovered that kids in one of the high schools have been downloading stills and the video of the beheading and have caused a bit of a ruckus with it. Thanks. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Hurry! Hire a teenager while they still know everything!!! From accessys at smart.net Thu May 20 20:34:51 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] nick berg In-Reply-To: <1085084936.2135.11.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <1085084936.2135.11.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 May 2004, Mike Rambo wrote: > The beheading of Nick Berg has some become somewhat of a hot potato here > today. My supervisors are interested in how other schools are dealing > with this both from the policy standpoint and the measures taken to > block if you've determined that it is inappropriate. Don't Ask, Don't tell. B> It has been discovered that kids in one of the high schools have been > downloading stills and the video of the beheading and have caused a bit > of a ruckus with it. and the more you say stop the more they will try to do it, turn it into a teaching experience.... 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 20 20:52:31 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:52:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nick berg In-Reply-To: <1085084936.2135.11.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <001301c43eac$6153dec0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Is it possible to just block the string "Nick Berg" with a content filter? It may be too restrictive when trying to lookup news info but you could probably exclude certain known safe sites from the lookup. > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rambo > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:29 PM > To: K12 List > Cc: Jeff Vanderlaan > Subject: [K12OSN] nick berg > > > The beheading of Nick Berg has some become somewhat of a hot > potato here today. My supervisors are interested in how other > schools are dealing with this both from the policy standpoint > and the measures taken to block if you've determined that it > is inappropriate. > > It has been discovered that kids in one of the high schools > have been downloading stills and the video of the beheading > and have caused a bit of a ruckus with it. > > Thanks. > > > -- > Mike Rambo > mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us > > Hurry! Hire a teenager while they still know everything!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Thu May 20 21:45:28 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:45:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <40ACE856.6020508@esd165.org> References: <008501c43e8c$839d8aa0$1803010a@paasda.org> <40ACE856.6020508@esd165.org> Message-ID: <1085089528.21588.9.camel@crux> On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 10:18, Matthew Ross wrote: > One example: NIC on the motherboard, which runs at 100Mbits is assigned > Eth0. Secondary Nic, which I have plugged in via PCI slot is assigned > Eth1... but this is my Gigabit network card. > My solution: Turn off the onboard NIC, install another PCI NIC. Get the > order of the cards right so Linux asigns the Gigabit adapter to Eth0. > Works well enough for me, but a better solution must be out there. I had the same situation and solved it the same way. But when I looked at the files that changed as a result, I wondered if just editing /etc/sysconfig/hwconf and swapping the lines device: eth0 device: eth1 would do the trick. Does anyone know? -- Pat Healy Palm Desert High School From troybanther at plateautel.net Thu May 20 21:52:41 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:52:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] nick berg In-Reply-To: <1085084936.2135.11.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <1085084936.2135.11.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <1085089961.20470.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here is the position of our community college. We do not regulate what people observe or download. If another student complains then it becomes a hostile learning environment. It is also a classroom control issue on the instructors part. We can only make reasonable efforts to clean up and clear histories. Troy From haynest at mchsi.com Fri May 21 00:09:49 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:09:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] forms and data collection Message-ID: <052120040009.21279.6fbe@mchsi.com> > Hi all, > I run our district web server (on Linux with Apache of > course) and I am getting more and more pressure to > install FrontPage extensions on the web server. I am > reluctant to do this FPSE have worked pretty well for us. It is hard to fight M$ on the user desktop. If they want to use FP, just make sure the server is Linux/Apache. http://www.contribs.org/contribs/thaynes/WhiteBox/ For surveys, we use phpESP... Regards... Tom From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri May 21 00:54:57 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 06:24:57 +0530 Subject: OT?? Re: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085100896.3893.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 18:33, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi gang > > The unthinkable happened. Somehow I lost the root password to a new > system, and I am facing the daunting task of having to reinstall > everyth Others have provided more than one method to achieve this. Now it makes me wonder what prevents a "innovative" user to do the same and control the server? Can these method be blocked? Of course the boot off knoppix (similar) can never be blocked. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Fri May 21 01:25:17 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:25:17 -0400 Subject: OT?? Re: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: <1085100896.3893.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1085100896.3893.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1085102717.23469.6.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 20:54, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 18:33, Alan A Hodson wrote: > > Hi gang > > > > The unthinkable happened. Somehow I lost the root password to a new > > system, and I am facing the daunting task of having to reinstall > > everyth > Others have provided more than one method to achieve this. > Now it makes me wonder what prevents a "innovative" user to do the same > and control the server? Can these method be blocked? > Of course the boot off knoppix (similar) can never be blocked. Funny you mention this. Its been awhile since I logged in as root. I have not stopped by the school for over 2 months. (Its just so darn stable) I only maintain this in my spare time. Anyway I forgot the root password and the server is locked away in an upstairs office. Luckly I was able to remember it last second. A simple boot from the resucue disk should be enough to fix a forgotton password. A reinstall should not be nessasary. Jack From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri May 21 01:38:51 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:38:51 +1000 Subject: OT?? Re: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password Message-ID: Sudev Barar wrote: >> Now it makes me wonder what prevents a "innovative" user to do the same and control the server? Can these method be blocked? << BIOS lock password Boot loader (e.g. GRUB) password >> Of course the boot off knoppix (similar) can never be blocked. << Yes it can, if the BIOS boot sequence is not changeable (i.e. BIOS password protected) or, better still, the CD-ROM drive and floppy are removed. Of course, give me physical access and I can get past most things - but if the chassis is locked, I'm pretty much stopped in my tracks as I can't get access to the mobo battery to reset the BIOS password. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From jritchie at bible.edu Fri May 21 12:24:44 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:24:44 -0400 Subject: OT?? Re: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085142284.27915.40.camel@penguin> On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 21:38, Les Bell wrote: > Yes it can, if the BIOS boot sequence is not changeable (i.e. BIOS password > protected) or, better still, the CD-ROM drive and floppy are removed. > > Of course, give me physical access and I can get past most things - but if > the chassis is locked, I'm pretty much stopped in my tracks as I can't get > access to the mobo battery to reset the BIOS password. Well, if you can get your hands on the harddrive or the box all bets are off unless you encrypt your filesystem which from what I've read isn't that hard, but you better not forget your password. :-) Grub supports the booting of these filesystems, but you need to enter a password at boot time. I've also heard that the decryption of the filesystem at runtime is evidently not to bad of a degredation on response, surprisingly. JSR/ From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 21 13:00:53 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:00:53 -0500 Subject: OT?? Re: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002101c43f33$a9597270$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > Of course, give me physical access and I can get past most > things - but if the chassis is locked, I'm pretty much > stopped in my tracks as I can't get access to the mobo > battery to reset the BIOS password. Let's face it, if you have a malicious user tucked away in your server room with enough time to perform most of the needed tasks, then you have more of a problem on you hand then a hacked server. My dread is always someone getting into my server rooms, then before even getting to the computers they yank all those fancy phone wires off the hundreds of punch down blocks, computers are backed up....physical punchdowns are not. Point being don't beat yourself up over standing in front of the box security, if you are really worried, put it in a locked server room. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 21 13:37:04 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:37:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <40AD0871.5020102@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <002801c43f38$b7d032d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I am intrigued by this bytehoard solution but am dissapointed to see that by default it seems to want to use its own user base. Is there a similar solution that is just an add on to the local machine. What I mean is something that will use the local user base and file permissions? Say I already have a smb and afp server and just want to give the 500 local users on that server an easy cross platform access from off site using this type of php client. > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:35 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing > > > Also, there's FileZilla which supports file transfers over > SFTP. Graphical, > very easy, only for Windows (sadly). > > Petre > > Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 13:52, John Baillie wrote: > > > > > >>A couple of teachers have asked if there was a way for students to > >>transfer files to and from home. I took a look at sourceforge and > >>found bytehoard http://bytehoard.sourceforge.net/ > >> > >>Does anyone here have experience with this or have suggestions for > >>other packages provide this functionality? > >> > >>If we do this it will most likely sit on a web server dedicated to > >>this task. > > > > > > Normal web/ftp servers tend to be insecure. You can probably find > > something that runs over https, but if you only want to > keep ssh open > > to the outside, you can use winscp for file transfers from windows > > with drag&drop or cut/paste action: > > http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/index.php > > > > --- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jneiffer at neiffer.com Fri May 21 14:00:37 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:00:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <002801c43f38$b7d032d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200405211401.i4LE1AGG030827@mx1.redhat.com> Actually...I am really interested in this topic as well. I like Byteboard as a solution if we can't figure it out. I am a teacher and I spent a month last summer at Indiana University for a grad class on web design. Their system is really cool: you look into your account (it is Windows, but listen anyway :) ) and you are given a 100mb storage drive, plus access to a large scratch drive for temporary storage should you need it. They have a web server that allows you to access that drive from the Internet and upload and download files as you please. I'm sure it was custom, but perhaps that is what we are looking for? I am not sure about y'all but among the largest problems with use of computers is the issue of transporting files from school to home. It's no problem for me, because I have set up my own FTP server at home. :) Jason -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:37 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing I am intrigued by this bytehoard solution but am dissapointed to see that by default it seems to want to use its own user base. Is there a similar solution that is just an add on to the local machine. What I mean is something that will use the local user base and file permissions? Say I already have a smb and afp server and just want to give the 500 local users on that server an easy cross platform access from off site using this type of php client. > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:35 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing > > > Also, there's FileZilla which supports file transfers over > SFTP. Graphical, > very easy, only for Windows (sadly). > > Petre > > Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 13:52, John Baillie wrote: > > > > > >>A couple of teachers have asked if there was a way for students to > >>transfer files to and from home. I took a look at sourceforge and > >>found bytehoard http://bytehoard.sourceforge.net/ > >> > >>Does anyone here have experience with this or have suggestions for > >>other packages provide this functionality? > >> > >>If we do this it will most likely sit on a web server dedicated to > >>this task. > > > > > > Normal web/ftp servers tend to be insecure. You can probably find > > something that runs over https, but if you only want to > keep ssh open > > to the outside, you can use winscp for file transfers from windows > > with drag&drop or cut/paste action: > > http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/index.php > > > > --- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 21 14:10:04 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:10:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <200405211401.i4LE1AGG030827@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200405211401.i4LE1AGG030827@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40AE0DBC.6020707@maltzen.net> check out www.webdav.org, specifically the Projects area. Petre Jason Neiffer wrote: > Actually...I am really interested in this topic as well. I like Byteboard > as a solution if we can't figure it out. > > I am a teacher and I spent a month last summer at Indiana University for a > grad class on web design. Their system is really cool: you look into your > account (it is Windows, but listen anyway :) ) and you are given a 100mb > storage drive, plus access to a large scratch drive for temporary storage > should you need it. They have a web server that allows you to access that > drive from the Internet and upload and download files as you please. > > I'm sure it was custom, but perhaps that is what we are looking for? I am > not sure about y'all but among the largest problems with use of computers is > the issue of transporting files from school to home. It's no problem for > me, because I have set up my own FTP server at home. :) > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Jim Kronebusch > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:37 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing > > I am intrigued by this bytehoard solution but am dissapointed to see > that by default it seems to want to use its own user base. Is there a > similar solution that is just an add on to the local machine. What I > mean is something that will use the local user base and file > permissions? Say I already have a smb and afp server and just want to > give the 500 local users on that server an easy cross platform access > from off site using this type of php client. > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie >>Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:35 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing >> >> >>Also, there's FileZilla which supports file transfers over >>SFTP. Graphical, >>very easy, only for Windows (sadly). >> >>Petre >> >>Les Mikesell wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 13:52, John Baillie wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>A couple of teachers have asked if there was a way for students to >>>>transfer files to and from home. I took a look at sourceforge and >>>>found bytehoard http://bytehoard.sourceforge.net/ >>>> >>>>Does anyone here have experience with this or have suggestions for >>>>other packages provide this functionality? >>>> >>>>If we do this it will most likely sit on a web server dedicated to >>>>this task. >>> >>> >>>Normal web/ftp servers tend to be insecure. You can probably find >>>something that runs over https, but if you only want to >> >>keep ssh open >> >>>to the outside, you can use winscp for file transfers from windows >>>with drag&drop or cut/paste action: >>>http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/index.php >>> >>>--- >>> Les Mikesell >>> les at futuresource.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 21 14:18:28 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:18:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <40AE0DBC.6020707@maltzen.net> References: <200405211401.i4LE1AGG030827@mx1.redhat.com> <40AE0DBC.6020707@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <40AE0FB4.8020407@maltzen.net> ...and then search www.freshmeat.net for 'web folders' Petre Scheie wrote: > check out www.webdav.org, specifically the Projects area. > > Petre > > Jason Neiffer wrote: > >> Actually...I am really interested in this topic as well. I like >> Byteboard >> as a solution if we can't figure it out. >> >> I am a teacher and I spent a month last summer at Indiana University >> for a >> grad class on web design. Their system is really cool: you look into >> your >> account (it is Windows, but listen anyway :) ) and you are given a 100mb >> storage drive, plus access to a large scratch drive for temporary storage >> should you need it. They have a web server that allows you to access >> that >> drive from the Internet and upload and download files as you please. >> >> I'm sure it was custom, but perhaps that is what we are looking for? >> I am >> not sure about y'all but among the largest problems with use of >> computers is >> the issue of transporting files from school to home. It's no problem for >> me, because I have set up my own FTP server at home. :) >> >> Jason >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Jim Kronebusch >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:37 AM >> To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing >> >> I am intrigued by this bytehoard solution but am dissapointed to see >> that by default it seems to want to use its own user base. Is there a >> similar solution that is just an add on to the local machine. What I >> mean is something that will use the local user base and file >> permissions? Say I already have a smb and afp server and just want to >> give the 500 local users on that server an easy cross platform access >> from off site using this type of php client. >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>> Behalf Of Petre Scheie >>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:35 PM >>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing >>> >>> >>> Also, there's FileZilla which supports file transfers over SFTP. >>> Graphical, very easy, only for Windows (sadly). >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Les Mikesell wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 13:52, John Baillie wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> A couple of teachers have asked if there was a way for students to >>>>> transfer files to and from home. I took a look at sourceforge and >>>>> found bytehoard http://bytehoard.sourceforge.net/ >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone here have experience with this or have suggestions for >>>>> other packages provide this functionality? >>>>> >>>>> If we do this it will most likely sit on a web server dedicated to >>>>> this task. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Normal web/ftp servers tend to be insecure. You can probably find >>>> something that runs over https, but if you only want to >>> >>> >>> keep ssh open >>> >>>> to the outside, you can use winscp for file transfers from windows >>>> with drag&drop or cut/paste action: >>>> http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/index.php >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Les Mikesell >>>> les at futuresource.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julius at turtle.com Fri May 21 15:12:38 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT?? Re: [K12OSN] Loosing access to master password In-Reply-To: <1085100896.3893.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1085100896.3893.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <37548.216.216.171.3.1085152358.squirrel@bastion> > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 18:33, Alan A Hodson wrote: >> Hi gang >> >> The unthinkable happened. Somehow I lost the root password to a new >> system, and I am facing the daunting task of having to reinstall >> everyth > Others have provided more than one method to achieve this. > Now it makes me wonder what prevents a "innovative" user to do the same > and control the server? Can these method be blocked? > Of course the boot off knoppix (similar) can never be blocked. > -- Sudev, this what locks and keys are for .... From les at futuresource.com Fri May 21 15:27:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:27:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <200405211401.i4LE1AGG030827@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200405211401.i4LE1AGG030827@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1085153225.5649.36.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 09:00, Jason Neiffer wrote: > Actually...I am really interested in this topic as well. I like Byteboard > as a solution if we can't figure it out. If you want to make the files publicly visible or at least to groups, you could use a wiki that allows file attachments. I happen to like twiki which, among other nice features, allows external authentication by the web server. People still have to fill in a registration page but the allowed accounts and passwords can all be elsewhere. This is especially easy if you drop in mod_auth_pam into apache and point it wherever your system authentication goes. Twiki also has a growing list of plugins including one that lets you edit tables easily in place and another that allows you to connect forms to databases (which someone mentioned recently in another thread). For strictly private file transfers you could use email. My kids have resorted to using their own account from our home ISP as a holding space and the ISP's web mail interface to download onto the school computers. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dsokolowsky at lucent.com Fri May 21 15:29:23 2004 From: dsokolowsky at lucent.com (David Sokolowsky) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:29:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <40AD0871.5020102@maltzen.net> References: <20040520172757.05EF374018@hormel.redhat.com> <1085079125.3511.35.camel@anthony> <1085080715.29987.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40AD0871.5020102@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <40AE2053.3030109@lucent.com> Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Also, there's FileZilla which supports file transfers over SFTP. > Graphical, very easy, only for Windows (sadly). > > Petre > > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 13:52, John Baillie wrote: >> >> >>> A couple of teachers have asked if there was a way for students to >>> transfer files to and from home. I took a look at sourceforge and found >>> bytehoard http://bytehoard.sourceforge.net/ >>> >>> Does anyone here have experience with this or have suggestions for other >>> packages provide this functionality? >>> >>> If we do this it will most likely sit on a web server dedicated to this >>> task. >> >> >> >> Normal web/ftp servers tend to be insecure. You can probably >> find something that runs over https, but if you only want to >> keep ssh open to the outside, you can use winscp for file >> transfers from windows with drag&drop or cut/paste action: >> http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/index.php >> For Unix/Linux, there is Fish protocol. This is supported by KDE and MC - not certain of Gnome. Ex. http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/kio_fish.html From robark at telus.net Thu May 20 02:02:48 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 19:02:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing!?! Message-ID: <200405191902.48434.robark@telus.net> Installed k12ltsp 3.1.2 on intel dual xeon mb with 4gb. Worked well for about 1 week. THEN when I'm doing nothing, not even 1 client up, the keyboard and mouse lock hard. Can't even ctrl-alt-backspace. Keyboard lights ALL flashing (I think this means kernel panic). Power button on server won't even work. Have to turn power bar off. Running ext3 so FS should survive it. Using 2.4.20 smp kernel. Up time is random 5min - 60min. Interestingly was running top before it went down and I noticed processes still running!! I think X was at the top. I have the standard ati rage xl built in chip. Wondering if anyone has seen this before? BTW I am running memtest86 overnight. Ran it for 2 hours today with no errors. Also, my PS is an Enermax 465PVE (460W) for dual 2.8 xeons. Also, have 2 seagate scsi drives on seperate scsi channels. Both id=7 since they are on seperate channels. sda is / and sdb is /home. BTW power managment was always off in BIOS. Also turned off apm service but no luck. Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 21 16:02:58 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:02:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix Mail Server tutorial Message-ID: <003001c43f4d$1920fb00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I found the following site for any of those who are interested detailing a complete Postfix + Pop + Imap + Squirrelmail + ClamAV + SpamAssassin server. It is easy to follow and no hidden or implied steps. This is even written for WBEL 3. I just ran this as an addon to my file server. Definitely the quickest and easiest tutorial I found for this setup. http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=3647 From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri May 21 16:57:06 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:57:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nick berg In-Reply-To: <1085084936.2135.11.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <1085084936.2135.11.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <40AE34E2.10208@msln.net> http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/05/17/teachers.suspended.reut/index.html The BSA approach may be taken on this one....what you don't know may hurt you. Mark Mike Rambo wrote: >The beheading of Nick Berg has some become somewhat of a hot potato here >today. My supervisors are interested in how other schools are dealing >with this both from the policy standpoint and the measures taken to >block if you've determined that it is inappropriate. > >It has been discovered that kids in one of the high schools have been >downloading stills and the video of the beheading and have caused a bit >of a ruckus with it. > >Thanks. > > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri May 21 18:30:15 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:30:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 3/LDAP and smbldap tools...anyone? Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone out there managed to get a Samba 3 /LDAP server up and running? I'm trying and would like to compare notes. The newer version of smbldap-tools and ao forth deal with more security in the past....so I'm running into a few hurdles....I'm not too familiar with TLS. In fact, I've been trying to turn it off. Out of curiousity....why would TLS and certicficates...etc. help me with my own PDC in my building...one server....behind a firewall. I'm soliciting opinions here...so let me know. Also...please let me know if you have or are working on getting a Samba 3/LDAP server up and running. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Fri May 21 18:20:18 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 3/LDAP and smbldap tools...anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33075.10.20.1.133.1085163618.squirrel@postoffice> David, Here is what I have found so far.. RedHat RHEL 3 supplies Samba 3.02 and smbldap-tools -0.7xxx which are not compatable Following the HOW-TO at IDEALX To install the compatable smbldap-tools version get the new smbldap tools , which requires the perl-Net-LDAP rpm, which requires the perl-Convert-ANS1 rpm and perl-Convert-BER rpm Install in the following order 1. perl-Convert-ANS1 (installed perl-Convert-BER with ANS1, don't know if it did because I had already downloaded or what) 2. perl-Convert-BER (if not already installed by number 1 above) 3. perl-Net-LDAP 4. smbldap-tools-0.8.4 smbtools are installed in /usr/bin. Modify smb.conf to reflect this location. Here are the links to the above references: HOW-TO http://www.idealx.org/prj/samba/smbldap-howto.en.html#htoc1 perl-Convert-ANS1 http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Convert-ASN1/ perl-Convert-BER http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Convert-BER/ perl-Net-LDAP http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Net-LDAP/ smbldap-tools http://dag.wieers.com/packages/smbldap-tools/ Hope this helps Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From shahms at shahms.com Fri May 21 18:39:52 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:39:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 3/LDAP and smbldap tools...anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085164792.23547.174.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 11:30, David Trask wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone out there managed to get a Samba 3 /LDAP server up and running? > I'm trying and would like to compare notes. The newer version of > smbldap-tools and ao forth deal with more security in the past....so I'm > running into a few hurdles....I'm not too familiar with TLS. In fact, > I've been trying to turn it off. Out of curiousity....why would TLS and > certicficates...etc. help me with my own PDC in my building...one > server....behind a firewall. I'm soliciting opinions here...so let me > know. Also...please let me know if you have or are working on getting a > Samba 3/LDAP server up and running. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 We haven't yet migrated to Samba 3, but it's on the (long) list for this summer. TLS is essentially "negotiated SSL". Rather than connecting to the ldaps port, you connect to the plain ldap port and send a 'START_TLS' command. The rest of the connection is then encrypted as if you'd connected to the SSL port. And having them enabled (especially if you're using LDAP for authentication) is good for the same reasons ssh is better than telnet. You might be behind a firewall, but that doesn't mean no one is trying to sniff your passwords. Here's a list of reasons to use TLS/SSL for the LDAP connection: 1) Samba has to connect to the LDAP server as an administrative user to retrieve the LANMAN and NT password hashes. 2) LANMAN hashes can be cracked on a modern computer in a matter of minutes, probably much faster. 3) NT hashes take a little bit longer, but not much. 4) The windows machines already send them over the wire, might as well not send the *known correct* password immediately after. (The weakness of the hashes is why you want to protect those attributes with ACLs on the LDAP server to begin with) 5) Because of all of this, not using TLS/SSL means someone sniffing the connection between the LDAP server and the Samba server can not only get the LDAP administrative password, but, failing that, they can get the easily crackable hashes for every account as it logs in. Not good. -- Shahms King From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri May 21 19:09:02 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:09:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 3/LDAP and smbldap tools...anyone? In-Reply-To: <1085164792.23547.174.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1085164792.23547.174.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Ok....aside from the smbldap-tools config stuff and the switches in the openldap files.....is there anything special I have to do to make TLS run? I have Net::LDAP installed. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 11:30, David Trask wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Has anyone out there managed to get a Samba 3 /LDAP server up and >running? >> I'm trying and would like to compare notes. The newer version of >> smbldap-tools and ao forth deal with more security in the past....so I'm >> running into a few hurdles....I'm not too familiar with TLS. In fact, >> I've been trying to turn it off. Out of curiousity....why would TLS and >> certicficates...etc. help me with my own PDC in my building...one >> server....behind a firewall. I'm soliciting opinions here...so let me >> know. Also...please let me know if you have or are working on getting a >> Samba 3/LDAP server up and running. >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> (207)923-3100 > >We haven't yet migrated to Samba 3, but it's on the (long) list for this >summer. TLS is essentially "negotiated SSL". Rather than connecting to >the ldaps port, you connect to the plain ldap port and send a >'START_TLS' command. The rest of the connection is then encrypted as if >you'd connected to the SSL port. And having them enabled (especially if >you're using LDAP for authentication) is good for the same reasons ssh >is better than telnet. You might be behind a firewall, but that doesn't >mean no one is trying to sniff your passwords. Here's a list of reasons >to use TLS/SSL for the LDAP connection: > >1) Samba has to connect to the LDAP server as an administrative user to >retrieve the LANMAN and NT password hashes. > >2) LANMAN hashes can be cracked on a modern computer in a matter of >minutes, probably much faster. > >3) NT hashes take a little bit longer, but not much. > >4) The windows machines already send them over the wire, might as well >not send the *known correct* password immediately after. (The weakness >of the hashes is why you want to protect those attributes with ACLs on >the LDAP server to begin with) > >5) Because of all of this, not using TLS/SSL means someone sniffing the >connection between the LDAP server and the Samba server can not only get >the LDAP administrative password, but, failing that, they can get the >easily crackable hashes for every account as it logs in. Not good. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From shahms at shahms.com Fri May 21 19:15:05 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:15:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 3/LDAP and smbldap tools...anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <1085164792.23547.174.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1085166905.23547.183.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 12:09, David Trask wrote: > Ok....aside from the smbldap-tools config stuff and the switches in the > openldap files.....is there anything special I have to do to make TLS run? > I have Net::LDAP installed. I'm going with "there shouldn't be". As long as you've configured Samba and OpenLDAP to use tls or ssl (I believe it's the default for both of them these days) it should just work. You *might* have to disable peer checking in one or both of them if you want to use self-signed certificates, however. -- Shahms King From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri May 21 19:24:38 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:24:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 3/LDAP and smbldap tools...anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <1085164792.23547.174.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <40AE5776.3050402@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >Ok....aside from the smbldap-tools config stuff and the switches in the >openldap files.....is there anything special I have to do to make TLS run? > I have Net::LDAP installed. > > Within /etc/openldap/slapd.conf you will find... # The next three lines allow use of TLS for connections using a dummy test # certificate, but you should generate a proper certificate by changing to # /usr/share/ssl/certs, running "make slapd.pem", and fixing permissions on # slapd.pem so that the ldap user or group can read it. # TLSCACertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt # TLSCertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem # TLSCertificateKeyFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem So you need to uncomment those three TLS... lines and generate a certificate as recommended. Then restart the ldap service. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri May 21 19:41:43 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:41:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 3/LDAP and smbldap tools...anyone? In-Reply-To: <40AE5776.3050402@gwi.net> References: < > <1085164792.23547.174.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <40AE5776.3050402@gwi.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >So you need to uncomment those three TLS... lines and generate a >certificate as recommended. Then restart the ldap service. Something special that I need to do to generate the certificate? I'm in unfamiliar waters here.....never dealt with this security stuff too much....but willing to learn. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Fri May 21 19:28:53 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 3/LDAP and smbldap tools...anyone? In-Reply-To: References: < > <1085164792.23547.174.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <40AE5776.3050402@gwi.net> Message-ID: <33220.10.20.1.133.1085167733.squirrel@postoffice> That earlier link I sent you to the IDEALX site has a step by step recipe. Michael > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: >>So you need to uncomment those three TLS... lines and generate a >> certificate as recommended. Then restart the ldap service. > > Something special that I need to do to generate the certificate? I'm in > unfamiliar waters here.....never dealt with this security stuff too > much....but willing to learn. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri May 21 19:58:14 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:58:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 3/LDAP and smbldap tools...anyone? In-Reply-To: <33220.10.20.1.133.1085167733.squirrel@postoffice> References: < > < > <1085164792.23547.174.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> < > < > < > <40AE5776.3050402@gwi.net> < > <33220.10.20.1.133.1085167733.squirrel@postoffice> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >That earlier link I sent you to the IDEALX site has a step by step recipe. cool...I've actually been following that....one place I get hung up and I'm not sure how to read it...is the section just before 4.2.4 in the Samba-OpenLDAP How-To (the new one).....it talks about a file called ldap.secret that is supposed to contain nssldapsecretpwd now.....the ldap.secret file does not exit (/etc/ldap.secret) and I'm not sure what to put in place of nssldapsecretpwd or if that text is what is supposed to go there. ???? How do you read that? this is hurdle #1 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Fri May 21 20:45:58 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 3/LDAP and smbldap tools...anyone? In-Reply-To: References: < > < > <1085164792.23547.174.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> < > < > < > <40AE5776.3050402@gwi.net> < > <33220.10.20.1.133.1085167733.squirrel@postoffice> Message-ID: <33266.10.20.1.133.1085172358.squirrel@postoffice> > cool...I've actually been following that....one place I get hung up and > I'm not sure how to read it...is the section just before 4.2.4 in the > Samba-OpenLDAP How-To (the new one).....it talks about a file called > ldap.secret that is supposed to contain nssldapsecretpwd now.....the > ldap.secret file does not exit (/etc/ldap.secret) and I'm not sure what > to put in place of nssldapsecretpwd or if that text is what is supposed > to go there. ???? How do you read that? >From what I remember and from my notes last year, that file /etc/ldap.secret contains the plaintext password of the rootbinddn you put in ldap.conf. It must be mode 600 and owned by root.root so that only root can read it. You can create it by using the echo command: #echo password >/etc/ldap.secret otherwise you have to make sure that the line that contains the password ends with enter so that the file contains two lines. The rootbinddn is a "special" user that has access to read the userPassword entries and supply them to the clients. It also has the ability to change any users password. Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From dsokolowsky at lucent.com Fri May 21 21:13:44 2004 From: dsokolowsky at lucent.com (David Sokolowsky) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:13:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tiny Linux startup sees through HP-Dell "Recycle" Message-ID: <40AE7108.5050504@lucent.com> "May 20, 2004 A New York startup selling Linux-based thin-client management software has called foul on HP and Dell for recent efforts to fund computer recycling programs. Symbio Technologies says the computing giants stand to sell more new PCs if future diskless clients are destroyed, instead of being donated to schools or resold." http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4964141825.html From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri May 21 22:12:13 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:12:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FC2 & 2.6 & K12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40AE7EBD.7010606@netscape.net> Hi Eric & Jim, OK so I'm being a little enthusiastic but when & where can we download the "latest & greatest" ? thanks norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mross at esd165.org Fri May 21 23:08:24 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:08:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] switching eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <008601c43e8f$e76f6820$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <008601c43e8f$e76f6820$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40AE8BE8.8080400@esd165.org> Huck wrote: >The easier solution is when installing k12ltsp...and you have the >options to set up which network card does what... >just flip-flop the configurations... > > > Yes, that would make sence, but doesn't LTSP do some magic to Eth0 and Eth1? I mean, it has to setup a NAT, and that's eth0 and eth1 specific. Changing the IP configuration won't fix that little tidbit. Long time ago, you could pass arguments to the linux kernel at boot time which card got eth0, eth1, etc... but that was for ISA cards and I don't know if that's still possible. --Matt From robark at telus.net Fri May 21 23:19:43 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:19:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing!?! In-Reply-To: <200405191902.48434.robark@telus.net> References: <200405191902.48434.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <200405211619.43917.robark@telus.net> **Problem Solved.** It was the "Secure mode" timeout in the BIOS that did it. Just in case anyone else has this problem on Intel server boards. Disable "Secure Mode" timer in the BIOS. Robert Arkiletian From carl at snarlnet.com Fri May 21 23:57:08 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:57:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ??? for Eric -> ETA for Fedora C2 based k12ltsp? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040521165300.01f67e30@pop.ptld.qwest.net> Hi Eric, Sorry to single you out, but my guess is you're the only one who knows the answer to this. Do you have any idea when an FC2 based k12ltsp will be released for download? I need to do an install of something on my new server sometime next week. I can hold off a bit longer if release is imminent. As a newbie, I have no idea if you're hours or months away. I'll just install 4.0.1 if more than a week or so away. I'm not trying to rush you, just to get a realistic time frame, if possible. Thanks a lot. ck From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat May 22 00:53:50 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 06:23:50 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing!?! In-Reply-To: <200405211619.43917.robark@telus.net> References: <200405191902.48434.robark@telus.net> <200405211619.43917.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <1085187230.3900.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 04:49, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > **Problem Solved.** > > It was the "Secure mode" timeout in the BIOS that did it. Just in case anyone > else has this problem on Intel server boards. Disable "Secure Mode" timer in > the BIOS. > > Robert Arkiletian Amazing!!! Before I could even read through my backlog mail and say "I do" ;-0 you have also posted a solution. Had similar problem but since I do not have ability to single out cause I went hit and trial. Found that disabling hyper-threading in BIOS and using non-smp kernel worked. Which of the two actually did the needful I do not know but left my server at that and the uptime today is 45 days. Can you detail what secure mode timer does or why it is there in first place? IAC I will google for it. Will try this. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat May 22 01:15:06 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FC2 & 2.6 & K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <40AE7EBD.7010606@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 May 2004, norbert wrote: > >Hi Eric & Jim, > >OK so I'm being a little enthusiastic but when & where can we download >the "latest & greatest" ? A "best guess" would be one or two weeks for a decent beta of K12LTSP 4.1. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat May 22 01:16:42 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ??? for Eric -> ETA for Fedora C2 based k12ltsp? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040521165300.01f67e30@pop.ptld.qwest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 May 2004, Carl Keil wrote: >Hi Eric, > >Sorry to single you out, but my guess is you're the only one who knows the >answer to this. Do you have any idea when an FC2 based k12ltsp will be >released for download? I need to do an install of something on my new >server sometime next week. I can hold off a bit longer if release is >imminent. As a newbie, I have no idea if you're hours or months >away. I'll just install 4.0.1 if more than a week or so away. I'm not >trying to rush you, just to get a realistic time frame, if possible. > >Thanks a lot. If you are a newbie, go for 4.0.1 & do all of the updates. Upgrade when 4.1.1 comes out ;-) -Eric From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat May 22 02:53:15 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 22:53:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FC2 & 2.6 & K12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40AEC09B.9030200@netscape.net> Hi Eric, Thank you, I know that you're inundated with work, work & more work hence your efforts on K12ltsp are greatly appreciated :-) norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >On Fri, 21 May 2004, norbert wrote: > > > >>Hi Eric & Jim, >> >>OK so I'm being a little enthusiastic but when & where can we download >>the "latest & greatest" ? >> >> > >A "best guess" would be one or two weeks for a decent beta of >K12LTSP 4.1. > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Sat May 22 03:49:10 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 22:49:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] AVG through a Squid Proxy In-Reply-To: <003001c43f4d$1920fb00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I can not get AVG to update using my squid proxy, no special settings, its just kinda outta-the-box, anyone else having this problem or is it just me....... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.2 - Release Date: 5/18/2004 From robark at telus.net Sat May 22 05:32:01 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 22:32:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing!?! In-Reply-To: <1085187230.3900.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200405191902.48434.robark@telus.net> <200405211619.43917.robark@telus.net> <1085187230.3900.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200405212232.01070.robark@telus.net> "Secure Mode: Can prevent unauthorized access and possible damage to the system using software protection. Secure Mode allows the Network Administrator to lock both the power and reset button, thus preventing unauthorized access to the use of the servers." Intel server boards have 2 passwords. One for Admin and one for user. If you set the user password you also get a timer option for "Secure mode". I believe this is ONLY supported under windows as it locks the keyboard and mouse and takes control away from the OS. Linux kernels don't like this and will panic. That explains why my display and processess were still perfectly active when the system went down. Also, another piece of evidence would be that it would usually happen after 1 min of no keyboard of mouse activity (default timer value). Also, my power button could not turn off the system (very weird if you have never experienced it) Intel should not make their BIOS firmware OS specific. With Micro$oft buying a large stake of Pheonix I think this situation is going to get worse. Robert Arkiletian PS Sudev, if you can let Naba know that I am using his great IDE Anjuta to teach C++ to high school students in Canada. I give him and his team a big THANK YOU. On Friday 21 May 2004 5:53 pm, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 04:49, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > **Problem Solved.** > > > > It was the "Secure mode" timeout in the BIOS that did it. Just in case > > anyone else has this problem on Intel server boards. Disable "Secure > > Mode" timer in the BIOS. > > > > Robert Arkiletian > > Amazing!!! Before I could even read through my backlog mail and say "I > do" ;-0 you have also posted a solution. > Had similar problem but since I do not have ability to single out cause > I went hit and trial. Found that disabling hyper-threading in BIOS and > using non-smp kernel worked. Which of the two actually did the needful I > do not know but left my server at that and the uptime today is 45 days. > Can you detail what secure mode timer does or why it is there in first > place? IAC I will google for it. Will try this. From nelsda at yahoo.com Sat May 22 05:51:50 2004 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 22:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <1085079125.3511.35.camel@anthony> Message-ID: <20040522055150.74768.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> --- John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > A couple of teachers have asked if there was a way > for students to > transfer files to and from home. I took a look at > sourceforge and found > bytehoard http://bytehoard.sourceforge.net/ > > Does anyone here have experience with this or have > suggestions for other > packages provide this functionality? [snip] Have them use a yahoo briefcase. It doesn't cost any thing and you don't have to support it. Each user gets 30MB of space. ===== David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ? Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat May 22 06:59:40 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 12:29:40 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing!?! In-Reply-To: <200405212232.01070.robark@telus.net> References: <200405191902.48434.robark@telus.net> <200405211619.43917.robark@telus.net> <1085187230.3900.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200405212232.01070.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <1085209180.9999.11.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 11:02, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > "Secure Mode: Can prevent unauthorized access and possible damage to the > system using software protection. Secure Mode allows the Network > Administrator to lock both the power and reset button, thus preventing > unauthorized access to the use of the servers." > > Intel server boards have 2 passwords. One for Admin and one for user. If you > set the user password you also get a timer option for "Secure mode". I > believe this is ONLY supported under windows as it locks the keyboard and > mouse and takes control away from the OS. Linux kernels don't like this and > will panic. That explains why my display and processess were still perfectly > active when the system went down. Also, another piece of evidence would be > that it would usually happen after 1 min of no keyboard of mouse activity > (default timer value). Also, my power button could not turn off the system > (very weird if you have never experienced it) Intel should not make their > BIOS firmware OS specific. With Micro$oft buying a large stake of Pheonix I > think this situation is going to get worse. > > Robert Arkiletian Robin, On checkin I find: 1. I am using 865 Intel MoBo - Desktop board co-opted for LTSP server 2. Neither Super or User pass word is set. 3. Freezing as you described happened with no co-relation to applications / load / time of day / how long the server was up. My own take was that I saw something to effect that DosEmu had problems in running SMP mode and since we were testing a DosEmu application we switched to non-SMP mode. Both DosEmu and this problem disappeared! When we went back to SMP kernel problem appeared. Since I did not find much difference in performance in either mode I reverted back to non-SMP kernel and have not had repeat of problem. As additional measure we had also disabled hyper threading mode in BIOS. Have not experimented further. Right now initial googling did not yield results. Will dig in more. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From robark at telus.net Fri May 21 05:51:45 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 22:51:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic Message-ID: <200405202251.45480.robark@telus.net> I want to share a problem and solution. I was experiencing kernel panic (flashing keyboard) with mouse and keyboard control gone. It was the "Secure mode" timeout in the BIOS that did it. Just in case anyone else has this problem on Intel server boards. Disable "Secure Mode" timer in the BIOS. Robert Arkiletian From mail at beachmail.ca Sat May 22 21:28:04 2004 From: mail at beachmail.ca (David Beach) Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:28:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP update problem Message-ID: As a complete newbie to Linux and networking, I installed K12LTSP and (with some help from the list) got it running between two boxes. When I did my first update with the updater in Fedora, my checkbox option for choosing to update K12LTSP vanished! (I am sure there WAS a checkbox for K12LTSP - correct me if I am wrong.) I can update Fedora, but not K12LTSP. So, at this point, I am still running K12 LTSP 4.0. I have noodled around a bit but haven't found the right place to 'turn on' the K12LTSP updating feature again. How can I turn on the updater for K12LTSP as well as Fedora? Will it update K12LTSP to the current version? Thanks again, guys. David Beach From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Sun May 23 07:30:14 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us) Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 21:30:14 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement Message-ID: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> Hi all, Our district has recently standardized all administrative web app development to IE. This has put a crimp into our fledgling K12LTSP project (3 elementary schools, 90 clients). We've been tossing around the following options: 1. Dual bootable clients so when IE is required, the client can boot Win 98. 2. Wine on the server. 3. Windows terminal server. 4. Crossover Office on the server. 5. Other suggestions welcome. We are in a budget crisis, so I'm thinking #3 and #4 would be too expensive. Our clients aren't very powerful, so I'm thinking #1 is not the greatest solution either. That leaves #2. Is anyone doing this with K12LTSP? --Peter From rusek at gybon.cz Sun May 23 10:04:30 2004 From: rusek at gybon.cz (Ondrej Rusek) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:04:30 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ??? for Eric -> ETA for Fedora C2 based k12ltsp? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040521165300.01f67e30@pop.ptld.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20040523100430.GA6620@apsik.gybon.cz> On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 06:16:42PM -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > If you are a newbie, go for 4.0.1 & do all of the updates. > > Upgrade when 4.1.1 comes out ;-) Please, is possible upgrade 4.0.0 (4.0.1) to 4.1.1 by yum? -- S pozdravem -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ondrej Rusek GYmnazium BOzeny Nemcove, Hradec Kralove, Czech rusek at gybon.cz, http://www.gybon.cz/~rusek -------------------------------------------------- X-terminals in school - http://www.gybon.cz/edunix =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Sun May 23 12:36:52 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 07:36:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ??? for Eric -> ETA for Fedora C2 based k12ltsp? In-Reply-To: <20040523100430.GA6620@apsik.gybon.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040521165300.01f67e30@pop.ptld.qwest.net> <20040523100430.GA6620@apsik.gybon.cz> Message-ID: <1074.66.138.175.81.1085315812.squirrel@66.138.175.81> Ondrej Rusek said: > > Please, is possible upgrade 4.0.0 (4.0.1) to 4.1.1 by yum? I'm sure it probably is safe. But if you want to really play it safe then use yum to upgrade from 4.0.0 to 4.0.1 and then do the 4.1.1 upgrade. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From cliebow at downeast.net Sun May 23 13:07:26 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:07:26 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP update problem Message-ID: <200405231154.i4NBssw23587@downeast.net> david..the ltsp is simply a file system installed over any linux dirstribution...with essential services turned on..with k12ltsp eric et al have added useful programs,,until ltsp 4.1 comes out you should be all set if your terminals are booting...chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From mail at beachmail.ca Sun May 23 13:48:51 2004 From: mail at beachmail.ca (David Beach) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 09:48:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP update problem Message-ID: Well, when I first installed Fedora/K12LTSP, I was sure there was a checkbox in Fedora's update utility that listed K12LTSP. After my first update of Fedora, that checkbox no longer appears. I want to update K12LTSP and want to use the updating utility (since I have no idea how to do it manually) - but how? I went to the RHN site noted on the utility but it still wasn't clear to me how to get LTSP updating working! When it listed my account info and the 'relevant softare channels' only 'old' versions of RedHat were listed with K12LTSP, no mention of Fedora at all. I didn't know if I was supposed to pick some 'other' version of RH and hope that it worked for Fedora or not, or even if this was where I was supposed to be to establish updating of K12LTSP!! Sorry if these sound like dumb questions but consider this testing to see if K12LTSP is ready for the non "linux savvy" masses! Thanks again. David Beach >david..the ltsp is simply a file system installed over any linux >dirstribution...with essential services turned on..with k12ltsp eric et al >have added useful programs,,until ltsp 4.1 comes out you should be all set >if your terminals are >booting...chuck From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun May 23 14:10:10 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:40:10 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> References: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: <1085321410.4099.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 13:00, pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: > Hi all, > Our district has recently standardized all administrative web app development to IE. This has put a crimp into our fledgling K12LTSP project (3 elementary schools, 90 clients). We've been tossing around the following options: > 1. Dual bootable clients so when IE is required, the client can boot Win 98. > 2. Wine on the server. > 3. Windows terminal server. > 4. Crossover Office on the server. > 5. Other suggestions welcome. > We are in a budget crisis, so I'm thinking #3 and #4 would be too expensive. Our clients aren't very powerful, so I'm thinking #1 is not the greatest solution either. That leaves #2. Is anyone doing this with K12LTSP? > --Peter Konqueror as part of KDE desktop comes with option to set "emulations" under "tools > change browser identification" menu. This allows you to set OS as well as browser emulation. Will this be of any help? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun May 23 14:24:31 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:24:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> References: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: <40B0B41F.5010909@netscape.net> Hi, For what's it worht we've tried all the suggested alternatives and; - please read inline Best of luck Norbert pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: >Hi all, >Our district has recently standardized all administrative web app development to IE. This has put a crimp into our fledgling K12LTSP project (3 elementary schools, 90 clients). We've been tossing around the following options: >1. Dual bootable clients so when IE is required, the client can boot Win 98. > Ackward because by the time the machine boots in Win98 the class is probably over, ;-) . and having kids reboot will only "encourage" them to do it at will thus disrupting the class. > >2. Wine on the server. > Wine works so-so with IE5 however with the newer version and website made for IE !!! (why anyone would do that is still beyond comprehension !!!) you will get a number of compatibility errors > >3. Windows terminal server. > Win2K or Win 2003 may work better. We've settled on this approach using the rdesktop cmd and map the Windows student directory to a SMB mount on the linux server. Win 2003 works better with remte clients but is very expensive Win2K is not as efficient however it is much less expensive. BUT you need a very powerful server for Windows Check with Microsoft for their Educational licensing policy for schools you'll find that the Server & client licenses are not that bad. Further yuo'll offer a well intergrated solution. > >4. Crossover Office on the server. > Same as Wine >5. Other suggestions welcome. >We are in a budget crisis, so I'm thinking #3 and #4 would be too expensive. Our clients aren't very powerful, so I'm thinking #1 is not the greatest solution either. That leaves #2. Is anyone doing this with K12LTSP? >--Peter > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Sun May 23 16:08:23 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing!?! In-Reply-To: <200405211619.43917.robark@telus.net> References: <200405191902.48434.robark@telus.net> <200405211619.43917.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <3082.192.168.1.247.1085328503.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> Great! what was the problem? > **Problem Solved.** > > It was the "Secure mode" timeout in the BIOS that did it. Just in case > anyone > else has this problem on Intel server boards. Disable "Secure Mode" timer > in > the BIOS. > > Robert Arkiletian > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Sun May 23 16:31:53 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:31:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing!?! In-Reply-To: <3082.192.168.1.247.1085328503.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> References: <200405191902.48434.robark@telus.net> <200405211619.43917.robark@telus.net> <3082.192.168.1.247.1085328503.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> Message-ID: <40B0D1F9.8010205@chartermi.net> I think this was the solution for the long running problem of smp kernels locking up under fc1 and by extension, k12ltsp 4.0 and 4.0.1 Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Great! what was the problem? > >> **Problem Solved.** >> >> It was the "Secure mode" timeout in the BIOS that did it. Just in >> case anyone else has this problem on Intel server boards. Disable >> "Secure Mode" timer in the BIOS. >> >> Robert Arkiletian -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From shahms at shahms.com Sun May 23 16:45:25 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms E. King) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 09:45:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> References: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: <1085330725.3924.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 21:30 -1000, pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: > Hi all, > Our district has recently standardized all administrative web app > development to IE. This has put a crimp into our fledgling K12LTSP > project (3 elementary schools, 90 clients). We've been tossing around > the following options: I know this isn't a very constructive response, but standardizing on IE is a huge mistake at this point. Not only is it the worst browser available at the moment (on almost every single point, including features) but it won't see an update for at least 2 more years (according to Microsoft's best estimate). And even then the update will only be available with Longhorn. IE as at end-of-life for every other platform and I doubt you want to upgrade every single computer to Longhorn. Even considering that the only platform you care about is Windows (There will *never* be another IE for the Mac, not even bug fixes), Internet Explorer is the worst option. It's already a long ways behind Opera, Konqueror and Mozilla in features, standards compliance, speed, etc. and will only get more so in the next 2 years. If you can, you should do what you can to get whoever is responsible to reconsider this decision. -- Shahms E. King From les at futuresource.com Sun May 23 16:50:19 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:50:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing!?! In-Reply-To: <40B0D1F9.8010205@chartermi.net> References: <200405191902.48434.robark@telus.net> <200405211619.43917.robark@telus.net> <3082.192.168.1.247.1085328503.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> <40B0D1F9.8010205@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <1085331019.24722.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 11:31, Eric Feldhusen wrote: > I think this was the solution for the long running problem of smp > kernels locking up under fc1 and by extension, k12ltsp 4.0 and 4.0.1 > Perhaps, but I think the original message involved k12ltsp 3.1.2 and no one else reported similar problems with that. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun May 23 17:04:05 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP update problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 23 May 2004, David Beach wrote: >Well, when I first installed Fedora/K12LTSP, I was sure there was a checkbox >in Fedora's update utility that listed K12LTSP. After my first update of >Fedora, that checkbox no longer appears. I want to update K12LTSP and want >to use the updating utility (since I have no idea how to do it manually) - >but how? Interesting, that config file is not supposed to be overwritten during updates. I'll look into it. Anyways, the fix is quick and easy. Just edit this file: /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources and append these two lines: yum k12ltsp ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora/ yum macromedia http://macromedia.mplug.org/apt/fedora/1/ -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun May 23 17:13:21 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ??? for Eric -> ETA for Fedora C2 based k12ltsp? In-Reply-To: <20040523100430.GA6620@apsik.gybon.cz> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 May 2004, Ondrej Rusek wrote: >On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 06:16:42PM -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: >> If you are a newbie, go for 4.0.1 & do all of the updates. >> >> Upgrade when 4.1.1 comes out ;-) > >Please, is possible upgrade 4.0.0 (4.0.1) to 4.1.1 by yum? Upgrading between major versions via yum or apt-get is not supported. That said it is possible. But it is one of things where if you have to ask you probably don't want to do it. Especially with the 4.0 to 4.1 jump, just about *everything* has changed. Much easier to let the installer figure it all out for you. -Eric From shahms at shahms.com Sun May 23 17:24:16 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms E. King) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:24:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ??? for Eric -> ETA for Fedora C2 based k12ltsp? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085333056.3924.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 10:13 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 23 May 2004, Ondrej Rusek wrote: > > >On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 06:16:42PM -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> If you are a newbie, go for 4.0.1 & do all of the updates. > >> > >> Upgrade when 4.1.1 comes out ;-) > > > >Please, is possible upgrade 4.0.0 (4.0.1) to 4.1.1 by yum? > > Upgrading between major versions via yum or apt-get is not > supported. > > That said it is possible. But it is one of things where if > you have to ask you probably don't want to do it. Especially > with the 4.0 to 4.1 jump, just about *everything* has changed. > Much easier to let the installer figure it all out for you. > > -Eric And this major upgrade in particular. Don't do it. There's a new version of python, which, if you're using yum, means that half-way through the upgrade it can't find any of it modules any more and dies leaving things half installed. If that weren't enough, a number of things expect to be running on a 2.6 kernel and will behave . . . oddly if they aren't. While it is technically possible to do the update it is far more likely to result in an unbootable computer. -- Shahms E. King From mail at beachmail.ca Sun May 23 17:44:20 2004 From: mail at beachmail.ca (David Beach) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:44:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP update problem Message-ID: >On Sun, 23 May 2004, David Beach wrote: > >>Well, when I first installed Fedora/K12LTSP, I was sure there was a checkbox >>in Fedora's update utility that listed K12LTSP. After my first update of >>Fedora, that checkbox no longer appears. I want to update K12LTSP and want >>to use the updating utility (since I have no idea how to do it manually) - >>but how? > >Interesting, that config file is not supposed to be overwritten during >updates. I'll look into it. > >Anyways, the fix is quick and easy. Just edit this file: > > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > >and append these two lines: > > yum k12ltsp ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora/ > yum macromedia http://macromedia.mplug.org/apt/fedora/1/ > >-Eric Thanks, Eric. It's so easy when you know how! And now I know! ;-) David From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Sun May 23 19:13:52 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 14:13:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ??? for Eric -> ETA for Fedora C2 based k12ltsp? In-Reply-To: <1085333056.3924.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1085333056.3924.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1388.66.138.175.73.1085339632.squirrel@66.138.175.73> Just do the installer upgrade. If bandwidth is a concern with downloading new isos, rsync your current ones. -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From patmo98 at yahoo.com Sun May 23 20:13:18 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:13:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing!?! In-Reply-To: <1085331019.24722.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <200405191902.48434.robark@telus.net> <200405211619.43917.robark@telus.net> <3082.192.168.1.247.1085328503.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> <40B0D1F9.8010205@chartermi.net> <1085331019.24722.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40B105DE.40401@yahoo.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 11:31, Eric Feldhusen wrote: > > > >>I think this was the solution for the long running problem of smp >> >> >>kernels locking up under fc1 and by extension, k12ltsp 4.0 and 4.0.1 >> >> > > > >Perhaps, but I think the original message involved k12ltsp 3.1.2 > >and no one else reported similar problems with that. > > > >--- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > The problem was "fixed" by using 3.1.2. I think that the problem only showed up under 4.0.0 and above. From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Sun May 23 20:30:39 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:30:39 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement Message-ID: <8862181fdb.81fdb88621@k12.hi.us> > On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 13:00, pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: > > 1. Dual bootable clients so when IE is required, the client can > > boot Win 98. > > 2. Wine on the server. > > 3. Windows terminal server. > > 4. Crossover Office on the server. > > 5. Other suggestions welcome. > > --Peter > Konqueror as part of KDE desktop comes with option to set "emulations" > under "tools > change browser identification" menu. This allows > you to set OS as well as browser emulation. Will this be of any help? > -- > Sudev Barar We use Gnome. One other issue is how "good" emulation is vs. using the real thing? I don't have the technical experience to know. I'd like to find out if anyone has had success using IE with Wine from a K12LSTP server. --Peter From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Sun May 23 21:46:59 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:46:59 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement Message-ID: <82a3a83f1f.83f1f82a3a@k12.hi.us> > If you > can, you should do what you can to get whoever is responsible to > reconsider this decision. > -- > Shahms E. King I think we're coming to that conclusion also. The question is can he be convinced? I fear "This website certified to run on IE only" is fast becoming M$'s killer weapon against OSS. --Peter From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Sun May 23 22:08:48 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:08:48 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement Message-ID: "Shahms E. King" wrote: >> I know this isn't a very constructive response, but standardizing on IE is a huge mistake at this point. Not only is it the worst browser available at the moment (on almost every single point << While I agree with everything you say, in a school environment, kids (and staff) will use different computers from day to day, Mozilla's lack of support for roaming profiles is a killer. Every time you log in, you're confronted with the "Profile Manager" which knows nothing about you. It's a mess. In the end, I couldn't get Netscape 7.1 to work in a roaming profile environment, and so I was forced to roll out IE which -despite its problems - at least basically works. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From jam at mcquil.com Sun May 23 22:04:04 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 18:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Les, Why does mozilla's roaming profiles not work ? The profile should be stored in the users home directory. they log in, and they get their profile. The only time you should see the profile manager dialog is if the same user is logged into more than one terminal at the same time. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 24 May 2004, Les Bell wrote: > > "Shahms E. King" wrote: > > >> > I know this isn't a very constructive response, but standardizing on IE > is a huge mistake at this point. Not only is it the worst browser > available at the moment (on almost every single point > << > > While I agree with everything you say, in a school environment, kids (and > staff) will use different computers from day to day, Mozilla's lack of > support for roaming profiles is a killer. Every time you log in, you're > confronted with the "Profile Manager" which knows nothing about you. It's a > mess. In the end, I couldn't get Netscape 7.1 to work in a roaming profile > environment, and so I was forced to roll out IE which -despite its problems > - at least basically works. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From info at baf-computers.com Sun May 23 22:21:02 2004 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:21:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <1085321410.4099.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> <1085321410.4099.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: You could try opera as it fools most sites/ Les On Sun, 23 May 2004 19:40:10 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 13:00, pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: >> Hi all, >> Our district has recently standardized all administrative web app >> development to IE. This has put a crimp into our fledgling K12LTSP >> project (3 elementary schools, 90 clients). We've been tossing around >> the following options: >> 1. Dual bootable clients so when IE is required, the client can boot >> Win 98. >> 2. Wine on the server. >> 3. Windows terminal server. >> 4. Crossover Office on the server. >> 5. Other suggestions welcome. >> We are in a budget crisis, so I'm thinking #3 and #4 would be too >> expensive. Our clients aren't very powerful, so I'm thinking #1 is not >> the greatest solution either. That leaves #2. Is anyone doing this with >> K12LTSP? >> --Peter > Konqueror as part of KDE desktop comes with option to set "emulations" > under "tools > change browser identification" menu. This allows you to > set OS as well as browser emulation. Will this be of any help? -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Sun May 23 23:02:55 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:02:55 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement Message-ID: jam at mcquil.com wrote: >> Why does mozilla's roaming profiles not work ? << Ahh, Grasshopper, let me bring you enlightenment. You are assuming I'm talking about a K12LTSP system, but unfortunately this school has not found the one true way yet. They have Windows machines around the school, but I've set up a Samba/Apache/TikiWiki server with Windows roaming profiles. As you say, on a Unix system, the Mozilla profile - and indeed, profiles for other applications, too - is stored in the user's home directory. But Netscape 7.1 for Windows stores the profile in "C:\Program Files\Netscape\Users\username", so of course, the profiles stay on the machine, rather than going with the user's stuff to the Samba server profile share. I haven't looked at how Mozilla Firefox handles it - I have it installed on this Win2K notebook, but haven't found its profile storage yet. If it stores it in the user's profile, I'll be happy to switch from IE. But to be honest, the tools available for a network roll-out of IE (the IEAK), plus the way it works with roaming profiles, are way ahead of Netscape et al. That really frosts me, but it's the way it is. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Sun May 23 23:15:49 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 18:15:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Management--in regards to IE requirement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3311.162.40.128.190.1085354149.squirrel@162.40.128.190> Les Bell said: > But to be honest, the tools available for a network roll-out of IE (the >IEAK), plus the way it works with roaming profiles, are way ahead of Netscape >et al. That really frosts me, but it's the way it is. . . Management is the big kicker with a lot of opensource goodies. We're moving to Novell nterprise services for linux...since edirectory and all the management tools are uber cool. For things like mozilla to become more successful...they really need to work better with microsoft setups...since that still is the primary OS in most cases. I mean mozilla is great for my workstation...but try managing profiles, keeping it updated, and just rolling it out to 1,000 windows clients. -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From patmo98 at yahoo.com Sun May 23 23:13:34 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 16:13:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40B1301E.40201@yahoo.com> Les Bell wrote: >jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > > > > > >Why does mozilla's roaming profiles not work ? > ><< > > > >Ahh, Grasshopper, let me bring you enlightenment. You are assuming I'm > >talking about a K12LTSP system, but unfortunately this school has not found > >the one true way yet. They have Windows machines around the school, but > >I've set up a Samba/Apache/TikiWiki server with Windows roaming profiles. > > > >As you say, on a Unix system, the Mozilla profile - and indeed, profiles > >for other applications, too - is stored in the user's home directory. But > >Netscape 7.1 for Windows stores the profile in "C:\Program > >Files\Netscape\Users\username", so of course, the profiles stay on the > >machine, rather than going with the user's stuff to the Samba server > >profile share. > > > >I haven't looked at how Mozilla Firefox handles it - I have it installed on > >this Win2K notebook, but haven't found its profile storage yet. If it > >stores it in the user's profile, I'll be happy to switch from IE. But to be > >honest, the tools available for a network roll-out of IE (the IEAK), plus > >the way it works with roaming profiles, are way ahead of Netscape et al. > >That really frosts me, but it's the way it is. . . > > > >Best, > > > > Firefox should work fine with roaming profiles because it stories evrything in C:\Documents and Settings\User_Name\Application Data\Phoenix , but mozilla NOW stores evrything but plugins in C:\Documents and Settings\User_Name\Application Data\Mozilla . I know that this was not always the case. From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sun May 23 23:13:13 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:13:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <1085330725.3924.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> <1085330725.3924.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <40B13009.6050402@snet.net> Shahms E. King wrote: > On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 21:30 -1000, pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: > >>Hi all, >>Our district has recently standardized all administrative web app >>development to IE. This has put a crimp into our fledgling K12LTSP >>project (3 elementary schools, 90 clients). We've been tossing around >>the following options: > > > I know this isn't a very constructive response, but standardizing on IE > is a huge mistake at this point. Not only is it the worst browser > available at the moment (on almost every single point, including > features) but it won't see an update for at least 2 more years > (according to Microsoft's best estimate). And even then the update will > only be available with Longhorn. IE as at end-of-life for every other > platform and I doubt you want to upgrade every single computer to > Longhorn. Even considering that the only platform you care about is > Windows (There will *never* be another IE for the Mac, not even bug > fixes), Internet Explorer is the worst option. It's already a long ways > behind Opera, Konqueror and Mozilla in features, standards compliance, > speed, etc. and will only get more so in the next 2 years. If you can, > you should do what you can to get whoever is responsible to reconsider > this decision. > May I quote this in my arguments for OSS? -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 24 02:21:53 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:21:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Management--in regards to IE requirement In-Reply-To: <3311.162.40.128.190.1085354149.squirrel@162.40.128.190> References: <3311.162.40.128.190.1085354149.squirrel@162.40.128.190> Message-ID: <40B15C41.10908@cmosnetworks.com> Caleb Wagnon wrote: >Les Bell said: > > >>But to be honest, the tools available for a network roll-out of IE (the >>IEAK), plus the way it works with roaming profiles, are way ahead of >> >> >Netscape >et al. That really frosts me, but it's the way it is. . . > >Management is the big kicker with a lot of opensource goodies. We're moving to >Novell nterprise services for linux...since edirectory and all the management >tools are uber cool. For things like mozilla to become more successful...they >really need to work better with microsoft setups...since that still is the >primary OS in most cases. I mean mozilla is great for my workstation...but try >managing profiles, keeping it updated, and just rolling it out to 1,000 >windows clients. > > Not a problem. My district is a "Microsoft shop" and does this now with Netscape 7 and thousands of Windows clients. It's called Symantec Ghost. We make the "perfect" workstation, give the individual site admins the CDs of said Ghost image, and they blow it to a bunch of clients at their schools/sites. So far, Netscape 7 has worked just dandily in this scenario, and I don't see why either "classic" Mozilla or Firefox wouldn't. --TP From nbs at sonic.net Mon May 24 02:23:28 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:23:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <1085321410.4099.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> <1085321410.4099.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040524022328.GE20693@sonic.net> On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 07:40:10PM +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > Konqueror as part of KDE desktop comes with option to set "emulations" > under "tools > change browser identification" menu. This allows you to > set OS as well as browser emulation. Will this be of any help? Well, that simply lies to the server as to what the browser is. It's kind of like going up to someone, shaking their hand, and saying you're someone else. ...Except it's worse, because if the site really DOES require IE, it will try to do things that only IE can do. Really, it's less that they have a website that 'requires IE' and more that they have an IE-based application. They've really just painted themselves into a corner in DOING that, but I don't have to preach the choir here. :) -bill! From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon May 24 03:04:03 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:04:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: References: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> <1085321410.4099.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <40B16623.4010407@netscape.net> Hi Nope tried that one too Opera doesn't cut it for certain "Educational Applications" written for IE 5.5+ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! norbert info at baf-computers.com wrote: > You could try opera as it fools most sites/ > > Les > > > > On Sun, 23 May 2004 19:40:10 +0530, Sudev Barar > wrote: > >> On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 13:00, pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> Our district has recently standardized all administrative web app >>> development to IE. This has put a crimp into our fledgling K12LTSP >>> project (3 elementary schools, 90 clients). We've been tossing >>> around the following options: >>> 1. Dual bootable clients so when IE is required, the client can >>> boot Win 98. >>> 2. Wine on the server. >>> 3. Windows terminal server. >>> 4. Crossover Office on the server. >>> 5. Other suggestions welcome. >>> We are in a budget crisis, so I'm thinking #3 and #4 would be too >>> expensive. Our clients aren't very powerful, so I'm thinking #1 is >>> not the greatest solution either. That leaves #2. Is anyone doing >>> this with K12LTSP? >>> --Peter >> >> Konqueror as part of KDE desktop comes with option to set "emulations" >> under "tools > change browser identification" menu. This allows you to >> set OS as well as browser emulation. Will this be of any help? > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon May 24 03:19:45 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:19:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <345A825A-AD31-11D8-BEA6-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mozilla works just fine with multiple users if you are using an NT based version of windows, at least in my experience. I think firefox/thunderbird do as well. IIRC IE doesn't do "roaming profiles in any 9x version of windows either, as these OSs are inherently single user. For this reason, they are a lousy OS to use in schools, IMHO. I'd at least use win2k or maybe even XP pro if I had to. Win9x needs to be shoved out the door, along with netscape 4.x for the good of the computing public! If the machine can't handle that then it's probably to old to do anything useful in windows anyways! > While I agree with everything you say, in a school environment, kids > (and > staff) will use different computers from day to day, Mozilla's lack of > support for roaming profiles is a killer. Every time you log in, you're > confronted with the "Profile Manager" which knows nothing about you. > It's a > mess. In the end, I couldn't get Netscape 7.1 to work in a roaming > profile > environment, and so I was forced to roll out IE which -despite its > problems > - at least basically works. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkCxadEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTbQQCgi9aaKnaUH4BSZ9AUj9Cbi3E5 QkcAn1Sp5u7PDnrIUHKPCVQQ7HA1L3sW =xKa8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon May 24 04:29:52 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:29:52 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Management--in regards to IE requirement Message-ID: "Terrell Prude', Jr." wrote: >> So far, Netscape 7 has worked just dandily in this scenario, and I don't see why either "classic" Mozilla or Firefox wouldn't. << With roaming profiles, Terrell? We used to use Netscape 7.1, but when I introduced roaming profiles, the problems with NS started, and I couldn't find a way around it. The Mozilla website certainly states that Moz doesn't support roaming profiles. However, I'm hopeful that Firefox might be better, as IE has been troublesome: it keeps losing the proxy settings, requiring them to be reset by a registry patch (.reg) file, and it periodically decides to abandon our intranet site as the home page and phone home to Microsoft (lots of people suffer from that problem). Then there's the times it decides it wants you to dial before it will connect, even though you're sitting on a LAN with 10 Mbps connection to the Internet. Trust me, I wouldn't use IE if I didn't feel we were forced to. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 24 03:34:42 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:34:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <40B16623.4010407@netscape.net> References: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> <1085321410.4099.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <40B16623.4010407@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40B16D52.4010307@cmosnetworks.com> Our district has also, sadly, taken the "IE-only" development tack, even though we include Netscape 7 on our client Ghost images. It looks to me like what's happening is that CraptiveX controls are getting used. Since no browsers besides Internet Exploder run CraptiveX controls, the sites aren't viewed properly in them. I've run into several situations like that with a few Internet Web sites that do the IE-only thing. When I told Konqueror to pretend it was IE, these few sites didn't work right, so I looked at the HTML source, and I saw 8.3 filenames in there (codebase=.cab) as well as stuff that looked kinda similar to NT SIDs in format. Looks to me like there's something hidden in a CABinet file there on their server that wants to get D/L'd to the client and executed. I'm guessing that this code just doesn't even get D/L'd, since the browser doesn't know what to do with it. No error messages come up, of course. This said, there have been other sites that seem to check your browser version and won't run if it isn't some version of IE, but actually do work just fine if you use the Konqueror identity trick. This was the case for one credit union's WWW site (I don't remember which one; it's been a bit). Official Disclaimer: I am not a professional software developer, be it for Web apps or otherwise, but rather just a systems/network engineer. --TP norbert wrote: > Hi > > Nope tried that one too Opera doesn't cut it for certain "Educational > Applications" written for IE 5.5+ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > norbert > > info at baf-computers.com wrote: > >> You could try opera as it fools most sites/ >> >> Les >> >> >> >> On Sun, 23 May 2004 19:40:10 +0530, Sudev Barar >> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 13:00, pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> Our district has recently standardized all administrative web app >>>> development to IE. This has put a crimp into our fledgling K12LTSP >>>> project (3 elementary schools, 90 clients). We've been tossing >>>> around the following options: >>>> 1. Dual bootable clients so when IE is required, the client can >>>> boot Win 98. >>>> 2. Wine on the server. >>>> 3. Windows terminal server. >>>> 4. Crossover Office on the server. >>>> 5. Other suggestions welcome. >>>> We are in a budget crisis, so I'm thinking #3 and #4 would be too >>>> expensive. Our clients aren't very powerful, so I'm thinking #1 is >>>> not the greatest solution either. That leaves #2. Is anyone doing >>>> this with K12LTSP? >>>> --Peter >>> >>> Konqueror as part of KDE desktop comes with option to set "emulations" >>> under "tools > change browser identification" menu. This allows you to >>> set OS as well as browser emulation. Will this be of any help? >> From patmo98 at yahoo.com Mon May 24 05:44:44 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:44:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Management--in regards to IE requirement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40B18BCC.8030903@yahoo.com> Les Bell wrote: >"Terrell Prude', Jr." wrote: > > > > > > > So far, Netscape 7 has worked just > >dandily in this scenario, and I don't see why either "classic" Mozilla > >or Firefox wouldn't. > ><< > > > >With roaming profiles, Terrell? We used to use Netscape 7.1, but when I > >introduced roaming profiles, the problems with NS started, and I couldn't > >find a way around it. > I would be the first to say that I have has problems with Netscape 7.x under NT based OSs' i.e. 2k, XP, but I haven't had problems with Firefox. I have had problems with Phonex. Remember, Phonex is older then Firefox. > The Mozilla website certainly states that Moz doesn't > >support roaming profiles. > In reference to "Roaming profiles", before 2k NS had a feature called roaming profiles that allowed you to store your settings on a webserver or an LDAP server Note:(This was in NS 4.7). This is very old. These "Roaming profiles" allowed you to keep your setting between computers, but with Windoze's ability to let you have the same /home equiv between each computer this feture is obseleat. Firefox works fine with Windoze's Roaming profiles system, but not Netscape's "Roaming profiles". >However, I'm hopeful that Firefox might be > >better, as IE has been troublesome: it keeps losing the proxy settings, > >requiring them to be reset by a registry patch (.reg) file, and it > >periodically decides to abandon our intranet site as the home page and > >phone home to Microsoft (lots of people suffer from that problem). Then > >there's the times it decides it wants you to dial before it will connect, > >even though you're sitting on a LAN with 10 Mbps connection to the > >Internet. > > > >Trust me, I wouldn't use IE if I didn't feel we were forced to. . . > > > >Best, > > > >--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > >[http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Mon May 24 06:22:58 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 20:22:58 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement Message-ID: <8931b82b5e.82b5e8931b@k12.hi.us> From: Bill Kendrick > Well, that simply lies to the server as to what the browser is. > It's kind of like going up to someone, shaking their hand, and > saying you're someone else. > > ...Except it's worse, because if the site really DOES require IE, > it will > try to do things that only IE can do. Really, it's less that they > havea website that 'requires IE' and more that they have an IE- > based application. That's exactly what we are afraid of. I guess the only safe and budget conscious solution is to lobby the decision makers for open standards web development. --Peter From nelsda at yahoo.com Mon May 24 06:50:34 2004 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040524065034.67328.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com> --- Les Bell wrote: > > jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > >> > Why does mozilla's roaming profiles not work ? > << > > Ahh, Grasshopper, let me bring you enlightenment. > You are assuming I'm > talking about a K12LTSP system, but unfortunately > this school has not found > the one true way yet. They have Windows machines > around the school, but > I've set up a Samba/Apache/TikiWiki server with > Windows roaming profiles. > > As you say, on a Unix system, the Mozilla profile - > and indeed, profiles > for other applications, too - is stored in the > user's home directory. But > Netscape 7.1 for Windows stores the profile in > "C:\Program > Files\Netscape\Users\username", so of course, the > profiles stay on the > machine, rather than going with the user's stuff to > the Samba server > profile share. [snip] What I did was create a generic netscape user on a machine with a netscape username of "Netscape" and then copied that directory to each user's home directory. Then at each Windows workstation I'd install Netscape and setup the user "Netscape" to use the profile in drive "U:\Netscape" where U: was the users mapped home drive. This setup worked just fine and I had user roaming profiles for Netscape. I assume that Mozilla will work the same way. I did this with a Netware server. I assume it would work with a Samba server too. ===== David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ? Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Mon May 24 06:08:21 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 20:08:21 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement Message-ID: <8794f86b14.86b148794f@k12.hi.us> From: Les Finch > You could try opera as it fools most sites I'm not sure we want to "fool" sites. We want to make sure we can interact with the web-apps properly. If we can ensure proper interaction by "fooling" the apps, then we would be happy to do it. We are just not sure. --Peter From nbs at sonic.net Mon May 24 07:25:15 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 00:25:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <8931b82b5e.82b5e8931b@k12.hi.us> References: <8931b82b5e.82b5e8931b@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: <20040524072515.GC9294@sonic.net> On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 08:22:58PM -1000, pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: > That's exactly what we are afraid of. I guess the only safe and budget conscious solution is to lobby the decision makers for open standards web development. > --Peter Yeah, it still amazes me that, on the one hand, the web was a gateway to the huge increase in people on the 'net and sharing information (thanks mostly due to its openness), but on the other hand you get dumbass web developers who don't even consider interoperability. Hell, if I visit a website that requires _JavaScript_, I consider that a problem with the site, and depending on how bad it is to use the site w/o JS, usually decide that the site is wholly unusable, from an accessibility standpoint. -bill! who feels for PDA users, blind people, etc. From troybanther at plateautel.net Mon May 24 12:13:14 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 06:13:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Love the disclaimer In-Reply-To: <40B16D52.4010307@cmosnetworks.com> References: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> <1085321410.4099.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <40B16623.4010407@netscape.net> <40B16D52.4010307@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1085400793.2756.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Official Disclaimer: I am not a professional software developer, be it > for Web apps or otherwise, but rather just a systems/network engineer. > Heh. I love the disclaimer. My degrees are in Communication and Sociology. I started out with a GED in the military so I earned those degrees the hard way. Yet, I was hired as a Support Specialist and small Network Administrator. I am now up to three networks and over 110 clients and three servers. One large Plato-based, one small dedicated net for ABE, and one cluster of peer-to-peer. But like you I am not a software developer. In fact, I sometimes believe that it gives us an advantage. Troy From troybanther at plateautel.net Mon May 24 12:03:01 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 06:03:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <20040524065034.67328.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040524065034.67328.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1085400180.2756.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Why Netscape? Use Firefox. My wife has been using it for a month now on one of her laptops. It has yet to fail or error out. As long as she can do what she wants it to do - e-mail, surf, research (she is almost finished with her master's) and play literatti - she is happy. Oh well. Just my half pence on that one. Troy > > What I did was create a generic netscape user on a > machine with a netscape username of "Netscape" and > then copied that directory to each user's home > directory. Then at each Windows workstation I'd > install Netscape and setup the user "Netscape" to use > the profile in drive "U:\Netscape" where U: was the > users mapped home drive. This setup worked just fine > and I had user roaming profiles for Netscape. I assume > that Mozilla will work the same way. I did this with a > Netware server. I assume it would work with a Samba > server too. > > > > ===== > David D. Nelson > nelsda at yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From troybanther at plateautel.net Mon May 24 12:18:36 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 06:18:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <1085400180.2756.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040524065034.67328.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com> <1085400180.2756.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1085401116.2756.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> As a joke you can also give it an IE icon and name it Internet Exploder. I have done that to a couple of friends (as a joke) and they have yet to notice it :) . Troy On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 06:03, troy banther wrote: > Why Netscape? Use Firefox. My wife has been using it for a month now on > one of her laptops. It has yet to fail or error out. As long as she can > do what she wants it to do - e-mail, surf, research (she is almost > finished with her master's) and play literatti - she is happy. > > Oh well. Just my half pence on that one. > > Troy > -- Troy Banther Avid Linux and FreeBSD User http://banther-trx.homeunix.com ----------------------------------------- One does not have unfettered freedom to be violent upon another living soul. Those who desecrate the sacred life of another, without any regard or sanctity to the Cause that created it, are not our teachers. - Troy Banther From accessys at smart.net Mon May 24 13:31:09 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <8931b82b5e.82b5e8931b@k12.hi.us> References: <8931b82b5e.82b5e8931b@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 May 2004 pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: > From: Bill Kendrick > > Well, that simply lies to the server as to what the browser is. > > It's kind of like going up to someone, shaking their hand, and > > saying you're someone else. > > > > ...Except it's worse, because if the site really DOES require IE, > > it will > > try to do things that only IE can do. Really, it's less that they > > havea website that 'requires IE' and more that they have an IE- > > based application. I have not tested this so I cannot be sure your site does or does not comply but in a public at least school setting you must comply with section 508 of the rehab act and IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities Education Act) which have some pretty strict rules about cross platform capabilities (as far as I have been able to check, K12OSN meets these) but much of M$ cannot especially IE. the easiest check is to see if the site will run (native, not emulated) in PINE for e-mail and LYNX as a browser. if not you could be in serious violation of Federal law... for more details see www.W3C.org/WAI Bob IDEA = Individuals with Disabilities Education Act. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jritchie at bible.edu Mon May 24 13:46:36 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:46:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AVG through a Squid Proxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085406395.8327.148.camel@penguin> I'm having similar issues and contacted them about it. They said the updates are just done on port 80 (which is, of course, open). One place I have a transparent squid proxy and it works fine. The other is a network device based on squid that blocks it and I'm not sure what I need to change. JSR/ On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 23:49, Rick O'Dell wrote: > I can not get AVG to update using my squid proxy, no special settings, its > just kinda outta-the-box, anyone else having this problem or is it just > me....... > > Rick O'Dell > Net Work Administrator > Bakersfield R4 School Dst. > Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.2 - Release Date: 5/18/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ybjones at one.net Mon May 24 13:50:37 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:50:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Management--in regards to IE requirement In-Reply-To: <3311.162.40.128.190.1085354149.squirrel@162.40.128.190> Message-ID: <20040524134606.VFAK7449.smtp1.fuse.net@malachi> > Management is the big kicker with a lot of opensource > goodies. We're moving to Novell nterprise services for > linux...since edirectory and all the management tools are > uber cool. For things like mozilla to become more > successful...they really need to work better with microsoft > setups...since that still is the primary OS in most cases. I > mean mozilla is great for my workstation...but try managing > profiles, keeping it updated, and just rolling it out to > 1,000 windows clients. I would think with that many clients that SMS (or the like) might be in order. You would have that same issue for many software products - including MS products (even if you are using group policies in an AD domain). Wouldn't it make more sense for management to standardize what server platform they develop on rather that what client to develop to? I could understand saying that they want a standard development platform - whether it be JSP, ASP, ASPX or whatever. Just make sure that any HTML/XHTML spit out by the server is compliant with the W3C standards. I think it's a bad idea to use ActiveX controls or VBScript on the client side. Besides, doesn't it defeat the purpose of a Web app when it only runs on one platform/browser? -Yancey From julius at turtle.com Mon May 24 13:56:53 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3291.216.216.171.235.1085407013.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > > jam at mcquil.com wrote: > >>> > Why does mozilla's roaming profiles not work ? > << > > Ahh, Grasshopper, let me bring you enlightenment. You are assuming I'm > talking about a K12LTSP system, but unfortunately this school has not > found > the one true way yet. They have Windows machines around the school, but > I've set up a Samba/Apache/TikiWiki server with Windows roaming profiles. > > As you say, on a Unix system, the Mozilla profile - and indeed, profiles > for other applications, too - is stored in the user's home directory. But > Netscape 7.1 for Windows stores the profile in "C:\Program > Files\Netscape\Users\username", so of course, the profiles stay on the > machine, rather than going with the user's stuff to the Samba server > profile share. > > I haven't looked at how Mozilla Firefox handles it - I have it installed > on > this Win2K notebook, but haven't found its profile storage yet. If it > stores it in the user's profile, I'll be happy to switch from IE. But to > be > honest, the tools available for a network roll-out of IE (the IEAK), plus > the way it works with roaming profiles, are way ahead of Netscape et al. > That really frosts me, but it's the way it is. . . > Les, Mozilla stores the profile under "Documents and Settings". what i did as an experiment was to samba mount my user directory residing on the ltsp server under the "Documents ...". this works well when the link is fast. for slow links i use a different profile. there is also a possibility of running rsync between the machines to synch the profiles. this is a pain, but actually achieves a true roaming goal. julius From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Mon May 24 14:14:35 2004 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:14:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting place Message-ID: <40B2034B.7060108@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Can anyone provide me a starting point as to what I want to remove from the original install of the k12 OS for use in a lab? Groups, settings and the like. We don't allow our students email, but the server will provide internet services to them. BK From petre at maltzen.net Mon May 24 14:23:48 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:23:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <82a3a83f1f.83f1f82a3a@k12.hi.us> References: <82a3a83f1f.83f1f82a3a@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: <40B20574.5080803@maltzen.net> Tell your developers that rather than 'standardizing' on IE, they should code to W3C (www.w3c.org) standards. That way you're not subjugating yourselves to the whims of any one vendor, even an open-source one. You might point out that the only reason the web caught on so quickly was because it *didn't* require users to have one brand of software, it just required software (a browser) written to those public, non-proprietary standards. Matter of fact, in the '80s, what you had WAS online services that required you to use their client and only their client. And guess what, those services didn't interoperate with each other because the vendors wanted to keep you in their system. Writing to proprietary specs is very easy to get into--vendors go to great pains to make it that way. By that same token, they make it very difficult to get out of those proprietary way of doing things, which is good for them but bad for you. Tell them to look at is this way: If MS's file formats for Word, Excel, etc., were completely open, such that OpenOffice.org could access them through published specs rather than reverse engineering the format, MOST people, businesses, and organizations could switch and save themselves a ton of money. But since those formats are proprietary, switching would be difficult for many. That's what keeps people in MS land. Compare this to, say, ftp, where the particular client doesn't matter to the server you connect to. You can switch ftp clients if you ever want to, quite easily. What your developers are proposing is locking themselves into technology that will be difficult to get out of, and locking themselves out of new developments in Web technology that inevitably will be coming down the road. (I run into the same mentality at my employer. Sheesh. Don't these people know anything of computing history of the past forty years, or even ten years?) As to your original question, the current version of CrossOver Office, 3.0, does a pretty good job of running IE, including automatically downloading and installing IE 6, whcih then seems to run quite well on Linux. I've been testing it here in my office, where some of our internal websites work only with IE. The latest CXO release so far has had no problems, whereas the previous 2.x version mostly worked but broke on some javascript used on our sites. CXO also works well in a LTSP environment, as the folks as CrossOver are big proponents of it. Full disclosure: The president of CodeWeavers is a friend of mine, but mostly that just means I follow their activities closely. Petre pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: >>If you >>can, you should do what you can to get whoever is responsible to >>reconsider this decision. >>-- >>Shahms E. King > > > I think we're coming to that conclusion also. The question is can he be convinced? > I fear "This website certified to run on IE only" is fast becoming M$'s killer weapon against OSS. > --Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon May 24 14:50:50 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:50:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Winbind won't start Message-ID: I posted this issue originally as I couldn't get an XP system to connect to a K12LTSP "domain" It turned out that smbd was not starting on boot. Fixed that problem now however, winbind will not start at all Ideas? Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From jritchie at bible.edu Mon May 24 14:57:07 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:57:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Winbind won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085410627.8324.162.camel@penguin> Is it/samba configure correctly? Have you checked the logs for winbind errors? JSR/ On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 10:50, Joe Faletra wrote: > I posted this issue originally as I couldn't get an XP system to > connect to a K12LTSP "domain" It turned out that smbd was not starting > on boot. Fixed that problem now however, winbind will not start at all > > Ideas? > > Joe Faletra > School Administrative Unit 16 > Districts Manager for Technology Support Services > T: 603-775-8576 > F: 603-775-8487 > http://www.sau16.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Mon May 24 14:41:20 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:41:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5AD6@ILFGEXC> > Hell, if I visit a website that requires _JavaScript_, I consider > that a problem with the site, and depending on how bad it is > to use the site w/o JS, usually decide that the site is > wholly unusable, from an accessibility standpoint. I've no problem with using JS sites at all - in fact I find that I even use some js on my site when it comes to processing forms and that. But really other than form processing/manipulation there's not much need for it Daniel ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. 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We used to use Netscape 7.1, but when I >introduced roaming profiles, the problems with NS started, and I couldn't >find a way around it. The Mozilla website certainly states that Moz doesn't >support roaming profiles. However, I'm hopeful that Firefox might be >better, as IE has been troublesome: it keeps losing the proxy settings, >requiring them to be reset by a registry patch (.reg) file, and it >periodically decides to abandon our intranet site as the home page and >phone home to Microsoft (lots of people suffer from that problem). Then >there's the times it decides it wants you to dial before it will connect, >even though you're sitting on a LAN with 10 Mbps connection to the >Internet. > >Trust me, I wouldn't use IE if I didn't feel we were forced to. . . > >Best, > > You're not. Again, Ghost is your friend here. When I've set up Mozilla, for example, I just did so as Administrator and set up the default Mozilla profile. I checked the box that says don't bother asking which profile to use. After you do that, *then* make your Ghost image and blow it to your clients. All users get to use Mozilla w/o going through the Mozilla profile setup, and I didn't have to do a special "profile set-up" as my non-Administrator user when I fired it up. Same for Firefox 0.8, BTW. Why does this work? It's because you're telling Mozilla to always use this locally-stored Mozilla profile, regardless of the user who logs into the machine. Such has been my experience, anyway. Yep, it's a workaround, but it does work. I've heard others on the list say that the Windows roaming profile issue was solved anyway w/ Firefox, so this might not even be an issue at all anymore. Of course, the whole issue itself could be avoided by the use of K12LTSP or something else like it, but I don't know if your Powers That Be would go for that. --TP From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon May 24 15:00:11 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:00:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: References: <8931b82b5e.82b5e8931b@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: <40B20DFB.7000704@netscape.net> Hi, Now that's a law I would love to see enacted in Canada !!!! Companies like Edusystems & Kidpic & Mandarin could then be sited for failure to comply with interoperability standards N accessys at smart.net wrote: >On Sun, 23 May 2004 pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: > > > >>From: Bill Kendrick >> >> >>>Well, that simply lies to the server as to what the browser is. >>>It's kind of like going up to someone, shaking their hand, and >>>saying you're someone else. >>> >>>...Except it's worse, because if the site really DOES require IE, >>>it will >>>try to do things that only IE can do. Really, it's less that they >>>havea website that 'requires IE' and more that they have an IE- >>>based application. >>> >>> > >I have not tested this so I cannot be sure your site does or does not >comply but in a public at least school setting you must comply with >section 508 of the rehab act and IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities >Education Act) which have some pretty strict rules about cross platform >capabilities (as far as I have been able to check, K12OSN meets these) but >much of M$ cannot especially IE. > >the easiest check is to see if the site will run (native, not emulated) in >PINE for e-mail and LYNX as a browser. if not you could be in serious >violation of Federal law... for more details see www.W3C.org/WAI > >Bob > >IDEA = Individuals with Disabilities Education Act. > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right >*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# >THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be >privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shahms at shahms.com Mon May 24 15:05:04 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:05:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <40B13009.6050402@snet.net> References: <869bc83fd4.83fd4869bc@k12.hi.us> <1085330725.3924.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <40B13009.6050402@snet.net> Message-ID: <1085411104.23547.249.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 16:13, anthony baldwin wrote: *snip* > > May I quote this in my arguments for OSS? Of course, but you might want to double-check the accuracy of it. I'm working from memory here and Microsoft has a nasty habit of changing it's mind every few months ;-P -- Shahms King From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon May 24 15:39:49 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:39:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Winbind won't start In-Reply-To: <1085410627.8324.162.camel@penguin> References: <1085410627.8324.162.camel@penguin> Message-ID: No clue. smb.conf: # Samba config file created using SWAT # from 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) # Date: 2004/05/24 10:30:51 # Global parameters [global] workgroup = NEWFIELDS server string = Samba Server password server = 127.0.0.1 log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log max log size = 50 socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 domain logons = Yes preferred master = Yes domain master = Yes dns proxy = No wins support = Yes guest ok = Yes [homes] comment = Home Directories read only = No browseable = No [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes browseable = No [root at K12LTSP root]# "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Is it/samba configure correctly? Have you checked the logs for winbind >errors? > >JSR/ > >On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 10:50, Joe Faletra wrote: >> I posted this issue originally as I couldn't get an XP system to >> connect to a K12LTSP "domain" It turned out that smbd was not >starting >> on boot. Fixed that problem now however, winbind will not start at >all >> >> Ideas? >> >> Joe Faletra >> School Administrative Unit 16 >> Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >> T: 603-775-8576 >> F: 603-775-8487 >> http://www.sau16.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From jritchie at bible.edu Mon May 24 15:47:38 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:47:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Winbind won't start In-Reply-To: References: <1085410627.8324.162.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1085413658.8327.178.camel@penguin> I think your logs are going to be the first place to start. I don't recall where k12LTSP puts error messages from winbind or samba in general, but it could in in /var/log or it might be in a life called winbindd.log (or something similar). Search for those and see if you can find any error information about your problem. Otherwise it could be any of a huge number of things. JSR/ On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 11:39, Joe Faletra wrote: > No clue. > > smb.conf: > > # Samba config file created using SWAT > # from 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) > # Date: 2004/05/24 10:30:51 > > # Global parameters > [global] > workgroup = NEWFIELDS > server string = Samba Server > password server = 127.0.0.1 > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > max log size = 50 > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > domain logons = Yes > preferred master = Yes > domain master = Yes > dns proxy = No > wins support = Yes > guest ok = Yes > > [homes] > comment = Home Directories > read only = No > browseable = No > > [printers] > comment = All Printers > path = /var/spool/samba > printable = Yes > browseable = No > [root at K12LTSP root]# > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >Is it/samba configure correctly? Have you checked the logs for winbind > >errors? > > > >JSR/ > > > >On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 10:50, Joe Faletra wrote: > >> I posted this issue originally as I couldn't get an XP system to > >> connect to a K12LTSP "domain" It turned out that smbd was not > >starting > >> on boot. Fixed that problem now however, winbind will not start at > >all > >> > >> Ideas? > >> > >> Joe Faletra > >> School Administrative Unit 16 > >> Districts Manager for Technology Support Services > >> T: 603-775-8576 > >> F: 603-775-8487 > >> http://www.sau16.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > Joe Faletra > School Administrative Unit 16 > Districts Manager for Technology Support Services > T: 603-775-8576 > F: 603-775-8487 > http://www.sau16.org > > > > > DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE > INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential > and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. > If you have received this communication in error, please call us > immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the > communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail > that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail > may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or > contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as > a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is > required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 24 16:47:27 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:47:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Winbind won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Joe Faletra" writes: >I posted this issue originally as I couldn't get an XP system to >connect to a K12LTSP "domain" It turned out that smbd was not starting >on boot. Fixed that problem now however, winbind will not start at all > >Ideas? No...but I'll explore....I'm running into similar little things in my development of a new Samba/LDAP...once I work them out I'll let you know...get me a little bit of time. Otherwise....keep trying and keep me posted. Actually after a little exploring...why are you trying to run Winbind? Are you trying to integrate a Win2K server? I'm not using winbind at all and I have an XP network. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon May 24 16:45:41 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:45:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Winbind won't start In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: I was missing the idmap uid and the idmap gid lines in my smb.conf. Still having password auithentication issues. What do you have in your smb.conf for password backend or password program etc.... Joe "David Trask" writes: >"Joe Faletra" writes: >>I posted this issue originally as I couldn't get an XP system to >>connect to a K12LTSP "domain" It turned out that smbd was not >starting >>on boot. Fixed that problem now however, winbind will not start at >all >> >>Ideas? > >No...but I'll explore....I'm running into similar little things in my >development of a new Samba/LDAP...once I work them out I'll let you >know...get me a little bit of time. Otherwise....keep trying and keep >me >posted. > >Actually after a little exploring...why are you trying to run Winbind? >Are you trying to integrate a Win2K server? I'm not using winbind at >all >and I have an XP network. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon May 24 16:46:21 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:46:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Wins In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: Also, What about wins? It says I need the nmbd daemon but I don't have it. Joe "David Trask" writes: >"Joe Faletra" writes: >>I posted this issue originally as I couldn't get an XP system to >>connect to a K12LTSP "domain" It turned out that smbd was not >starting >>on boot. Fixed that problem now however, winbind will not start at >all >> >>Ideas? > >No...but I'll explore....I'm running into similar little things in my >development of a new Samba/LDAP...once I work them out I'll let you >know...get me a little bit of time. Otherwise....keep trying and keep >me >posted. > >Actually after a little exploring...why are you trying to run Winbind? >Are you trying to integrate a Win2K server? I'm not using winbind at >all >and I have an XP network. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us Mon May 24 16:56:12 2004 From: bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us (Ben Mabbott) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:56:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming Mozilla Profiles (Was: Management--in regards to IE requirement) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40B2292C.1020105@riverdale.k12.or.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Les Bell wrote: | With roaming profiles, Terrell? We used to use Netscape 7.1, but when I | introduced roaming profiles, the problems with NS started, and I couldn't | find a way around it. The Mozilla website certainly states that Moz doesn't | support roaming profiles. However, I'm hopeful that Firefox might be | better, as IE has been troublesome For what it's worth, right now I'm browsing with Firefox, and it's pulling its profile from my Win2K roaming profile. It's worked this way from day one on Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox, and Mozilla before that. When they say Mozilla doesn't support "roaming profiles" what they mean is that the mozilla profile can't move from computer to computer independently. All it can do is save the profile on the local machine. However, that's not the whole story. If you're using roaming windows profiles, the mozilla profile, along with the profile of every other program that saves one, will be copied to the server whenever a user logs out. And it will be copied to the local machine from the server whenever a user logs in, meaning the mozilla profile will "roam" to any computer a user logs in to. Of course, for this to work, you need to be using roaming Windows profiles on your network. For this we use a Samba server running as a domain controller, which handles profiles for Win9X and Win2K/XP. Works like a charm :) - -Ben - -- ========================================= Ben Mabbott, bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale Grade School http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us 11733 SW Breyman Ave. Portland, OR 97219 Phone:(503)636-4511 Fax:(503)635-7534 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAsiksq4gh1d9lZccRAqIGAJ4u4+/V/zbwSjDJc1eUlCDGEYfx+wCePlTh 2HZxt0+ho/r7cLhHKxI89TM= =qVOZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robark at telus.net Mon May 24 17:24:38 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:24:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing!?! In-Reply-To: <3082.192.168.1.247.1085328503.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> References: <200405191902.48434.robark@telus.net> <200405211619.43917.robark@telus.net> <3082.192.168.1.247.1085328503.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> Message-ID: <200405241024.39048.robark@telus.net> Was this not posted on the list, as my original post for "Freezing?!?" ? ========================================= Installed k12ltsp 3.1.2 on intel dual xeon mb with 4gb. Worked well for about 1 week. THEN when I'm doing nothing, not even 1 client up, the keyboard and mouse lock hard. Can't even ctrl-alt-backspace. Keyboard lights ALL flashing (I think this means kernel panic). Power button on server won't even work. Have to turn power bar off. Running ext3 so FS should survive it. Using 2.4.20 smp kernel. Up time is random 5min - 60min. Interestingly was running top before it went down and I noticed processes still running!! I think X was at the top. I have the standard ati rage xl built in chip. Wondering if anyone has seen this before? BTW I am running memtest86 overnight. Ran it for 2 hours today with no errors. Also, my PS is an Enermax 465PVE (460W) for dual 2.8 xeons. Also, have 2 seagate scsi drives on seperate scsi channels. Both id=7 since they are on seperate channels. sda is / and sdb is /home. BTW power managment was always off in BIOS. Also turned off apm service but no luck. Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary ========================================== On Sunday 23 May 2004 9:08 am, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Great! what was the problem? > > > **Problem Solved.** > > > > It was the "Secure mode" timeout in the BIOS that did it. Just in case > > anyone > > else has this problem on Intel server boards. Disable "Secure Mode" timer > > in > > the BIOS. > > > > Robert Arkiletian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 24 17:34:08 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:34:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Winbind won't start In-Reply-To: References: <,> <,> <,> Message-ID: "Joe Faletra" writes: >I was missing the idmap uid and the idmap gid lines in my smb.conf. >Still having password auithentication issues. > >What do you have in your smb.conf for password backend or password >program etc.... smbldap-passwd....but you're not doing ldap....right? The samba password program is smbpasswd I believe David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From barry at yellowdog.com Mon May 24 14:26:17 2004 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:26:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement Message-ID: <40B20609.3030205@yellowdog.com> I'll confirm that this trick works for Firefox 0.8. We've just updated about 250 seats from Netscape 4.x to Firefox 0.8. They now keep their profile up on their home drives. Basically, before using Firefox for the first time, start it with the profile manager command ("firefox -profilemanager"). Create a generic profile with the files pointing to the drive of your choice. We use Novell's app launcher to distribute this automatically to the workstations. There were a few gotcha's (many of which are explained in the Novell CoolSolutions or AppNotes papers). Long one short, we spent a few hours working on the application and it distributed to hundreds of computers the first time they clicked on the Firefox icon. In an unrelated (but sort of interesting) issue, we turned off local caching of files. We use a squid proxy server and found that setting the local disk cache to 0 (not caching anything locally) seems to be faster than the browser caching to either the c: or h: (home) drives. Again, we didn't expect this ... but it works! Barry >What I did was create a generic netscape user on a >machine with a netscape username of "Netscape" and >then copied that directory to each user's home >directory. Then at each Windows workstation I'd >install Netscape and setup the user "Netscape" to use >the profile in drive "U:\Netscape" where U: was the >users mapped home drive. This setup worked just fine >and I had user roaming profiles for Netscape. I assume >that Mozilla will work the same way. I did this with a >Netware server. I assume it would work with a Samba >server too. From les at futuresource.com Mon May 24 17:57:49 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:57:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Winbind won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085421468.21187.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 11:47, David Trask wrote: > Actually after a little exploring...why are you trying to run Winbind? > Are you trying to integrate a Win2K server? I'm not using winbind at all > and I have an XP network. Winbind is supposed to auto-create Linux/samba users as they log in if they exist in the Windows domain. If you don't mind creating the users yourself you can still use smb authentication so you only have to maintain passwords on the domain controller. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Mon May 24 18:54:14 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:54:14 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 May 2004, Access Systems wrote: > I have not tested this so I cannot be sure your site does or does not > comply but in a public at least school setting you must comply with > section 508 of the rehab act and IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities > Education Act) which have some pretty strict rules about cross platform > capabilities (as far as I have been able to check, K12OSN meets these) but > much of M$ cannot especially IE. > > the easiest check is to see if the site will run (native, not emulated) in > PINE for e-mail and LYNX as a browser. if not you could be in serious > violation of Federal law... for more details see www.W3C.org/WAI I hear you and I agree. The one out our district probably has is, these sites are for internal school administration, not public use. I'm not sure the law applies in that case. I would love it if it did. Does anyone know? That could be the "big stick" we've been looking for. --Peter From accessys at smart.net Mon May 24 19:01:52 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 May 2004, Nakashima wrote: if you recieve ANY Federal funding, or have any staff or children with disabilities using adaptive computer software or hardware then it will apply. it also applies if the school system communicates with parents using e-mail or websites since parents may or may not be the ones with disabilities it also opens one up to the potential charge of discrimination. and it is taken seriously by the feds, and local human rights commissions Bob > On Mon, 24 May 2004, Access Systems wrote: > > > I have not tested this so I cannot be sure your site does or does not > > comply but in a public at least school setting you must comply with > > section 508 of the rehab act and IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities > > Education Act) which have some pretty strict rules about cross platform > > capabilities (as far as I have been able to check, K12OSN meets these) but > > much of M$ cannot especially IE. > > > > the easiest check is to see if the site will run (native, not emulated) in > > PINE for e-mail and LYNX as a browser. if not you could be in serious > > violation of Federal law... for more details see www.W3C.org/WAI > > I hear you and I agree. The one out our district probably has is, these > sites are for internal school administration, not public use. I'm not sure > the law applies in that case. I would love it if it did. Does anyone > know? That could be the "big stick" we've been looking for. > --Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From accessys at smart.net Mon May 24 19:04:23 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 May 2004, Nakashima wrote: > On Mon, 24 May 2004, Access Systems wrote: > > > section 508 of the rehab act and IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities > > Education Act) which have some pretty strict rules about cross platform > > capabilities (as far as I have been able to check, K12OSN meets these) but > > much of M$ cannot especially IE. > > > > the easiest check is to see if the site will run (native, not emulated) in > > PINE for e-mail and LYNX as a browser. if not you could be in serious > > violation of Federal law... for more details see www.W3C.org/WAI > > I hear you and I agree. The one out our district probably has is, these > sites are for internal school administration, not public use. I'm not sure the out would be if your administration provided free of charge any software and hardware needed to anyperson who needs to access the site and cannot because of proprietary systems Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 24 19:18:08 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:18:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Wins In-Reply-To: References: <,> <,> <,> Message-ID: do you need Wins? I don't use it....just wondering. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Mon May 24 19:06:52 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:06:52 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Winbind won't start Message-ID: <200405241754.i4OHsAl13151@downeast.net> btw--winbind works very nicely..would be even nicer with pam_mount but havn't got that part to work..chuck> On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 11:47, David Trask wrote: > > > Actually after a little exploring...why are you trying to run Winbind? > > Are you trying to integrate a Win2K server? I'm not using winbind at all > > and I have an XP network. > > Winbind is supposed to auto-create Linux/samba users as they log in > if they exist in the Windows domain. If you don't mind creating the > users yourself you can still use smb authentication so you only have > to maintain passwords on the domain controller. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From nbs at sonic.net Mon May 24 19:17:15 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:17:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040524191715.GA10776@sonic.net> On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 08:54:14AM -1000, Nakashima wrote: > I hear you and I agree. The one out our district probably has is, these > sites are for internal school administration, not public use. I'm not sure > the law applies in that case. I would love it if it did. Does anyone > know? That could be the "big stick" we've been looking for. I suppose it depends on how discriminatory they like to be to their employees. ;^) -bill! IANAL From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon May 24 19:21:35 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:21:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Wins In-Reply-To: References: <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> Message-ID: I got it working anywhoosie. Just can't sutheticate to add a machine to the domain. Very stange. I tried to change the root smb password and it failed. Says there isn't a user called root. So I try to add user root and it says it exists. weird Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From les at futuresource.com Mon May 24 19:33:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:33:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Wins In-Reply-To: References: <,> <,> <,> Message-ID: <1085427228.21187.50.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 14:18, David Trask wrote: > do you need Wins? I don't use it....just wondering. You need Wins if: 1) you have multiple routed subnets 2) you run windows 3) you want windows netbios name resolution to work Without wins, the broadcast-based name lookups are limited to the local subnet. However, most versions of windows will eventually fall back to DNS, appending their own domain name so if you have all the servers in DNS you may not care about other machines finding each other - in fact you probably wish they couldn't. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Mon May 24 20:04:51 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:04:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 6307 Linux Kernel e1000 Network Driver Kernel Memory Disclosure.htm In-Reply-To: <40B252CB.000012.01432@zurqui.ucr.ac.cr> References: <, > <, > <, > <40B252CB.000012.01432@zurqui.ucr.ac.cr> Message-ID: El Mon, 24 May 2004 13:53:47 -0600, Edgar Quesada escribi?: > Para su informaci?n. > > > Description: > > The e1000 network driver in Linux kernel contains a flaw that may lead > to an > unauthorized information disclosure. The issue is triggered due to > insecure > use of the "copy_to_user()" function, when copying data from kernel space > into user space, which will disclose an arbitrary amount of kernel memory > resulting in a loss of confidentiality. > > Gracias, Edgar. Esa vulnerabilidad se aplica con tarjetas de red de giga de Intel. En el caso de Cariari se usa el driver tg3, por lo que no es aplicable a ese servidor. Saludos. Mario -- Usando M2, el revolucionario cliente de correo de Opera: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Mon May 24 20:13:40 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:13:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 6307 Linux Kernel e1000 Network Driver Kernel Memory Disclosure.htm In-Reply-To: References: <, > <, > <, > <40B252CB.000012.01432@zurqui.ucr.ac.cr> Message-ID: <4943.170.211.161.253.1085429620.squirrel@170.211.161.253> Mario Guerra said: > > Gracias, Edgar. > > Esa vulnerabilidad se aplica con tarjetas de red de giga de Intel. En el > caso de Cariari se usa el driver tg3, por lo que no es aplicable a ese > servidor. El tg3 es hecho por el hp es ?l no? -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 24 21:05:24 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:05:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Wins In-Reply-To: References: <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> Message-ID: "Joe Faletra" writes: >I got it working anywhoosie. Just can't sutheticate to add a machine >to the domain. Very stange. I tried to change the root smb password >and it failed. Says there isn't a user called root. So I try to add >user root and it says it exists. > >weird Try this smbpasswd -a Administrator We may need to create a user with the uid of 0....the above command may do that.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 25 04:06:57 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:06:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Wins In-Reply-To: <1085427228.21187.50.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <,> <,> < > <,> < > < > <1085427228.21187.50.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >However, most versions of windows will eventually fall back >to DNS, appending their own domain name so if you have all the >servers in DNS you may not care about other machines finding each >other - in fact you probably wish they couldn't. That's my case....my SME/E-Smith box has all the servers in hostnames and addresses....aka DNS. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue May 25 03:40:41 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 23:40:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting place In-Reply-To: <40B2034B.7060108@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> References: <40B2034B.7060108@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <40B2C039.5070909@cmosnetworks.com> You're asking about a very large--dare I say "voluminous"--subject. Here's how I got started: http://www.tldp.org/guides.html There is a guide there called "Securing and Optimizing Linux" which helped me a great deal, and are suggested reading for you. The latest version can be found at http://www.openna.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=6 Then, pick up the O'Reilly book _Practical UNIX Security_. Excellent reading. My fourteen-year-old book is still applicable to the latest GNU/Linux and *BSD installations, surprisingly so. --TP Brandon Kovach wrote: > Can anyone provide me a starting point as to what I want to remove > from the original install of the k12 OS for use in a lab? Groups, > settings and the like. We don't allow our students email, but the > server will provide internet services to them. > > BK > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From I.Derks at translucent.nl Tue May 25 10:47:53 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 12:47:53 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] tst Message-ID: <1085482072.3734.9.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> plsignr From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue May 25 02:03:23 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:03:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] netscape helper app config Message-ID: <40B2A96B.7080101@snet.net> Where is the file that tells Netscrape what helper apps to use, and can I simply copy it into my mozilla configs, or do I have to configure Mozi by hand, as I did some time ago with Nutscrape? I updated my Moz and had to cp all of the plugins from /usr/local/netscape/plugins into /usr/local/mozilla/plugins I've been using Netscape for some time as my default browser, but I think it's time for a change. (I know...why am I not using Firefox? I dunno...) tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From mail at beachmail.ca Tue May 25 11:37:36 2004 From: mail at beachmail.ca (David Beach) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 07:37:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 1 - doesn't like PS/2 mouse after update Message-ID: I wanted to try fedora core 1 (the version I have) on a new computer so installed it from my K12LTSP 4 disk set - just checked the 'personal computer' option in setup. I have an old IBM PS/2 mouse and all worked well - I rebooted and moused around a bit and all seemed OK. (the PS/2 mouse worked just fine after the initial install so I presume this is not a hardware issue.) So I decided to retrieve the updates. I got the kernel and I think some of the other updates. Eventually got the lot loaded. BUT, when it boots (now with either the old or new kernel) the machine chokes and won't run X. Says it has a problem with the mouse. It pops up a clunky window that lets me choose the mouse again. Again, I choose 2 buttun generic PS/2 mouse. Again, it doesn't work! I eventually end up at the command line. When I plug in another mouse on USB, it works OK. If I use the Mouse panel and reset to PS/2, the computer refuses to recognize the PS/2 mouse even after reboot. So, I could just always use a USB mouse but I'm annoyed the PS/2 worked, then didn't. And I have lots of old PS/2 mice but only one USB! OK, you bright beans: Why does the computer refuse to work with the PS/2 mouse? Is there some little file or folder where I can peek to set this right? (By the way, the motherboard is a Kobian Mercury 740 CFDMx - a nifty miniATX board with video, audio, LAN, integrated AMD 2200 processor for about $50 US. It has an SiS chipset.) David Beach From jfaletra at sau16.org Tue May 25 12:01:48 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:01:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Wins In-Reply-To: References: <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> Message-ID: Dave, I tried your suggestion and it failed: [root at K12LTSP root]# smbpasswd -a administrator New SMB password: Retype new SMB password: Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user administrator. Failed to modify password entry for user administrator You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/root [root at K12LTSP root]# Any other ideas? "David Trask" writes: >"Joe Faletra" writes: >>I got it working anywhoosie. Just can't sutheticate to add a machine >>to the domain. Very stange. I tried to change the root smb password >>and it failed. Says there isn't a user called root. So I try to add >>user root and it says it exists. >> >>weird > >Try this > >smbpasswd -a Administrator > >We may need to create a user with the uid of 0....the above command >may do >that.... > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From jfaletra at sau16.org Tue May 25 12:17:53 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:17:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Wins In-Reply-To: References: <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> Message-ID: Ok here's the answer: David was right BUT the account has to already exist in the user accounts list. (Dave probably already knew this and assumed I did too!) Anyway, smbpasswd -a root Then add password and done. XP will now connect to the domain. New problem!!!! - Windows cannot locate the profile (STINKIN M$) Ahhhh another day down the toilet thanks to Bill!!! "David Trask" writes: >"Joe Faletra" writes: >>I got it working anywhoosie. Just can't sutheticate to add a machine >>to the domain. Very stange. I tried to change the root smb password >>and it failed. Says there isn't a user called root. So I try to add >>user root and it says it exists. >> >>weird > >Try this > >smbpasswd -a Administrator > >We may need to create a user with the uid of 0....the above command >may do >that.... > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon May 24 23:43:46 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:43:46 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing languge settins on a per user basis Message-ID: <1085442020.1268.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi folks, I know some of you have run into similar problems. I have a friend who has installed Xandros 2.0 Business edition with KDE 3.x on his internet Cafe client machines. He wants the ability to change the keyboard and application language settings as needed by his customers. He can get the correct language to show up in the web browser however the customer still has to type using English. How can he get the applications and keyboard language to change with some (preferably none) user interaction? I've looked through the settings, tried changing languages and regional settings, but nothing seems to happen in the apps. If this is unclear please ask for further clarification. Cheers, Bert From I.Derks at translucent.nl Tue May 25 12:38:50 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:38:50 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh key generation Message-ID: <1085488729.3734.121.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> Hi all, I would like to know if other people who run separate application servers over ssh have figured out an elegante solution for public key production and distribution through a network without bothering students with this. It's easy to produce the keys without user intervention during login like: ssh-keygen -t rsa -q -f $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa -C '' -N '' But then the public key has to copied to the appserver like scp -l $USER $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub appserver:$HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and this would need a passwd from the user, so does one need to agree with the production of the known_hosts file on the client side. Kind regards, Immanuel Derks From shahms at shahms.com Mon May 24 15:10:07 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:10:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <1085401116.2756.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040524065034.67328.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com> <1085400180.2756.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1085401116.2756.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1085411406.23547.251.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 05:18, troy banther wrote: > As a joke you can also give it an IE icon and name it Internet Exploder. > I have done that to a couple of friends (as a joke) and they have yet to > notice it :) . > > Troy Of course, there also used to be an IE theme for Mozilla, I don't know if it's been updated for Firefox, but I wouldn't be surprised... -- Shahms King From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 25 12:49:42 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:49:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Wins In-Reply-To: References: <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> <,> Message-ID: "Joe Faletra" writes: >David was right BUT the account has to already exist in the user >accounts list. (Dave probably already knew this and assumed I did too!) Whoops....sorry...skipped that step. ;-) As for the profile....have you created the profiles directory? if not...do this mkdir /opt/samba mkdir /opt/samba/profiles mkdir /opt/samba/netlogon chmod 1777 /opt/samba/profiles Some people choose to put the profiles directory in the home dir "/home/samba/profiles" I find this to be more dangerous....so I do it the way I put above Also don't forget the profiles share in smb.conf. Mine looks like this... (I included the homes share and netlogon as well).....remember....any logon script like netlogon.bat MUST be created on a DOS machine (aka Windows Notepad) [homes] comment = Home Directories valid users = %S writeable = yes create mask = 0664 directory mask = 0775 browseable = Yes [netlogon] comment = Network Logon Service path = /opt/samba/netlogon [profiles] path = /opt/samba/profiles writeable = yes writeable = yes browseable = yes create mode = 0644 directory mode = 0755 (from my samba/ldap how-to located at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux ) Mandatory profiles The mandatory profile is created the same way as the roaming profile. The difference is that this profile is made ?read only? by the administrator so that the user can have only one fixed profile on the domain. To do so, rename the file NTuser.dat to NTuser.man (for MANdatory profile), and remove the right access bit. For our testsmbuser1 user, you?ll have to do: mv /opt/samba/profiles/testsmbuser1/NTUSER.DAT /opt/samba/profiles/testsmbuser1/NTUSER.MAN chmod -w /opt/samba/profiles/testsmbuser1/NTUSER.MAN A Mandatory profile allows you to set up a common user profile for every user on the Domain useful to give everyone a common starting point or for specifying specific settings without having to do so for each user. An even better way is on the E-Smith forums at www.contribs.org I asked the question two years ago about making mandatory profiles....search the forum, but in a nutshell....you make a perfect user on an XP machine....then in the netlogon share I had you create above....you make a folder named "default user"...then copy the entire profile directory from the XP machine to that share....and voila! You have your common starting point for all users. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue May 25 13:22:01 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (TONY) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:22:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] netscape helper app config In-Reply-To: <40B2A96B.7080101@snet.net> Message-ID: <81872CCE-AE4E-11D8-82B0-000393887F56@snet.net> On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 10:03 PM, anthony baldwin wrote: > Where is the file that tells Netscrape what helper apps to use, and > can I simply copy it into my mozilla configs, or do I have to > configure Mozi by hand, as I did some time ago with Nutscrape? > > I updated my Moz and had to cp all of the plugins from > /usr/local/netscape/plugins into /usr/local/mozilla/plugins > > I've been using Netscape for some time as my default browser, but I > think it's time for a change. (I know...why am I not using Firefox? > I dunno...) > > tony Disregard. It seems that Mozilla did grab those prefs. Missed them initally, but on second start up they were there. > > -- > Anthony Baldwin > http://www.School-Library.net > Freedom to Learn! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From patmo98 at yahoo.com Tue May 25 13:30:57 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 06:30:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <1085411406.23547.251.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20040524065034.67328.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com> <1085400180.2756.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1085401116.2756.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1085411406.23547.251.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <40B34A91.8040302@yahoo.com> Shahms King wrote: >Of course, there also used to be an IE theme for Mozilla, I don't know > >if it's been updated for Firefox, but I wouldn't be surprised... > > Where is this theme? I couldn't find it. From petre at maltzen.net Tue May 25 13:40:24 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:40:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 1 - doesn't like PS/2 mouse after update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40B34CC8.1040306@maltzen.net> I noticed some similar strange PS/2 mouse behavior when I went from K12lstp ver 2.x to ver. 3.1.2. I have some Microsoft "Basic Mouse" (that's what the box says), that worked fine on the server and clients under 2.x. But when I went to 3.x they stopped working. Usually, the mouse will work for the first several seconds after logging in but then just freeze up. I suspect the change in XFree86, from 3.x to 4.x, which happened in RH9 I believe, is what caused the problem. I've got other mice, so it wasn't a show stopper. But these are nice mice, relatively new, and at this point I can't use them. So, you might see if you can load a 3.x version of X (not sure if Fedora even still includes the old version) and see if that makes any difference. Petre David Beach wrote: > I wanted to try fedora core 1 (the version I have) on a new computer so > installed it from my K12LTSP 4 disk set - just checked the 'personal > computer' option in setup. > > I have an old IBM PS/2 mouse and all worked well - I rebooted and moused > around a bit and all seemed OK. (the PS/2 mouse worked just fine after the > initial install so I presume this is not a hardware issue.) So I decided to > retrieve the updates. I got the kernel and I think some of the other > updates. Eventually got the lot loaded. BUT, when it boots (now with either > the old or new kernel) the machine chokes and won't run X. Says it has a > problem with the mouse. It pops up a clunky window that lets me choose the > mouse again. Again, I choose 2 buttun generic PS/2 mouse. Again, it doesn't > work! I eventually end up at the command line. > > When I plug in another mouse on USB, it works OK. If I use the Mouse panel > and reset to PS/2, the computer refuses to recognize the PS/2 mouse even > after reboot. So, I could just always use a USB mouse but I'm annoyed the > PS/2 worked, then didn't. And I have lots of old PS/2 mice but only one USB! > > OK, you bright beans: Why does the computer refuse to work with the PS/2 > mouse? Is there some little file or folder where I can peek to set this > right? > > (By the way, the motherboard is a Kobian Mercury 740 CFDMx - a nifty miniATX > board with video, audio, LAN, integrated AMD 2200 processor for about $50 > US. It has an SiS chipset.) > > David Beach > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue May 25 13:42:05 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:42:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement In-Reply-To: <40B34A91.8040302@yahoo.com> References: <20040524065034.67328.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com> <1085400180.2756.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1085401116.2756.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1085411406.23547.251.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> <40B34A91.8040302@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40B34D2D.9080107@maltzen.net> http://themes.mozdev.org/skins/ie.html Search google for 'mozilla themes ie' Patrick Mohr wrote: > Shahms King wrote: > >> Of course, there also used to be an IE theme for Mozilla, I don't know >> >> if it's been updated for Firefox, but I wouldn't be surprised... >> >> > Where is this theme? I couldn't find it. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Tue May 25 13:11:42 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:11:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] script help - please Message-ID: <10E56596-AE4D-11D8-810F-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Hello good people. I can't get the syntax right on a script I'm working on. I need to delete a directory's contents when it's size gets over a certain amount. I know this should be uber-easy, but I just can't get it. Here's what I have so far: #!/bin/tcsh # get the size of the directory du -ks /savedHomedirs/ # if total is over 100MB, then clear out directory if ($1>100000) then rm -rf /savedHomedirs/* endif #exit 0 exit 0 I'm using tcsh, but I'm willing to run it using a different shell if it would make it easier for you to help me:-) Also, if you have a better way to script this, feel free to completely disregard the track I was taking and start fresh. Thanks, Jimmy Schwankl ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Tue May 25 14:00:09 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:00:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] script help - please Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5AE5@ILFGEXC> Is there a reason as to why you'd completely wipe all of the directory off the system? Maybe you could just take the largest folder / file and remove that, and then run the check again ... continue until size < threshold_value? Or possibly remove write permission on a user's home directory so that they come to you next time they logon and you can tell them they have 14.3 seconds to delete the warez that they've been downloading before you remove their home folder entirely? :) Daniel -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Schwankl [mailto:schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us] Sent: 25 May 2004 14:12 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] script help - please Hello good people. I can't get the syntax right on a script I'm working on. I need to delete a directory's contents when it's size gets over a certain amount. I know this should be uber-easy, but I just can't get it. Here's what I have so far: #!/bin/tcsh # get the size of the directory du -ks /savedHomedirs/ # if total is over 100MB, then clear out directory if ($1>100000) then rm -rf /savedHomedirs/* endif #exit 0 exit 0 I'm using tcsh, but I'm willing to run it using a different shell if it would make it easier for you to help me:-) Also, if you have a better way to script this, feel free to completely disregard the track I was taking and start fresh. Thanks, Jimmy Schwankl ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. 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From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Tue May 25 14:24:10 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:24:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] script help - please (GOT IT) In-Reply-To: <10E56596-AE4D-11D8-810F-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <10E56596-AE4D-11D8-810F-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <30A8EC9A-AE57-11D8-810F-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> On May 25, 2004, at 9:11 AM, Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > Hello good people. I can't get the syntax right on a script I'm > working on. I need to delete a directory's contents when it's size > gets over a certain amount. I know this should be uber-easy, but I > just can't get it. Here's what I have so far: > > #!/bin/tcsh > # get the size of the directory > du -ks /savedHomedirs/ > # if total is over 100MB, then clear out directory > if ($1>100000) then > rm -rf /savedHomedirs/* > endif > > #exit 0 > exit 0 I got it to work. Here's what I ended up with: (I switched to bash) #!/bin/bash # get the size of the directory size=$(du -ks /savedHomedirs/ | awk '{print $1}') # if total is over 100MB, then clear out directory if [ $size -gt 100000 ] then rm -rf /savedHomedirs/* fi #exit 0 exit 0 Peace, Jimmy From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Tue May 25 14:19:02 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:19:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] script help - please In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5AE5@ILFGEXC> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5AE5@ILFGEXC> Message-ID: <78B4B63E-AE56-11D8-810F-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> On May 25, 2004, at 10:00 AM, daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > Is there a reason as to why you'd completely wipe all of the directory > off > the system? The directory is a temp directory holding backups of home directories. I know it's not elegant, but the data in this directory is only needed if they didn't save to the server in the first place. I just don't want it to get too full. Peace, Jimmy ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ No one has a right to sit down and feel hopeless. There is too much work to do. - Dorothy Day From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue May 25 14:54:54 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:54:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 1 - doesn't like PS/2 mouse after update In-Reply-To: <40B34CC8.1040306@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Maybe Linux has developed an aversion to anything that says Micro$oft on it. . . ;-) DS On Tue, 25 May 2004, Petre Scheie wrote: > I noticed some similar strange PS/2 mouse behavior when I went from K12lstp ver > 2.x to ver. 3.1.2. I have some Microsoft "Basic Mouse" (that's what the box > says), that worked fine on the server and clients under 2.x. But when I went to > 3.x they stopped working. Usually, the mouse will work for the first several > seconds after logging in but then just freeze up. I suspect the change in > XFree86, from 3.x to 4.x, which happened in RH9 I believe, is what caused the > problem. I've got other mice, so it wasn't a show stopper. But these are nice > mice, relatively new, and at this point I can't use them. So, you might see if > you can load a 3.x version of X (not sure if Fedora even still includes the old > version) and see if that makes any difference. > > Petre > > David Beach wrote: > > I wanted to try fedora core 1 (the version I have) on a new computer so > > installed it from my K12LTSP 4 disk set - just checked the 'personal > > computer' option in setup. > > > > I have an old IBM PS/2 mouse and all worked well - I rebooted and moused > > around a bit and all seemed OK. (the PS/2 mouse worked just fine after the > > initial install so I presume this is not a hardware issue.) So I decided to > > retrieve the updates. I got the kernel and I think some of the other > > updates. Eventually got the lot loaded. BUT, when it boots (now with either > > the old or new kernel) the machine chokes and won't run X. Says it has a > > problem with the mouse. It pops up a clunky window that lets me choose the > > mouse again. Again, I choose 2 buttun generic PS/2 mouse. Again, it doesn't > > work! I eventually end up at the command line. > > > > When I plug in another mouse on USB, it works OK. If I use the Mouse panel > > and reset to PS/2, the computer refuses to recognize the PS/2 mouse even > > after reboot. So, I could just always use a USB mouse but I'm annoyed the > > PS/2 worked, then didn't. And I have lots of old PS/2 mice but only one USB! > > > > OK, you bright beans: Why does the computer refuse to work with the PS/2 > > mouse? Is there some little file or folder where I can peek to set this > > right? > > > > (By the way, the motherboard is a Kobian Mercury 740 CFDMx - a nifty miniATX > > board with video, audio, LAN, integrated AMD 2200 processor for about $50 > > US. It has an SiS chipset.) > > > > David Beach > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Tue May 25 14:39:06 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:39:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] script help - please Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5AE9@ILFGEXC> Ah! Sorry for prying :o) I was under the impression that you were just in the mood to start wiping home directories :) It makes sense now! :D -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Schwankl [mailto:schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us] Sent: 25 May 2004 15:19 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] script help - please On May 25, 2004, at 10:00 AM, daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > Is there a reason as to why you'd completely wipe all of the directory > off > the system? The directory is a temp directory holding backups of home directories. I know it's not elegant, but the data in this directory is only needed if they didn't save to the server in the first place. I just don't want it to get too full. Peace, Jimmy ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ No one has a right to sit down and feel hopeless. There is too much work to do. - Dorothy Day _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue May 25 15:07:49 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:37:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 1 - doesn't like PS/2 mouse after update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085497668.4333.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 17:07, David Beach wrote: > I have an old IBM PS/2 mouse and all worked well - I rebooted and moused > around a bit and all seemed OK. (the PS/2 mouse worked just fine after the > initial install so I presume this is not a hardware issue.) So I decided to > retrieve the updates. I got the kernel and I think some of the other > updates. Eventually got the lot loaded. BUT, when it boots (now with either > the old or new kernel) the machine chokes and won't run X. Says it has a > problem with the mouse. It pops up a clunky window that lets me choose the > mouse again. Again, I choose 2 buttun generic PS/2 mouse. Again, it doesn't > work! I eventually end up at the command line. > > When I plug in another mouse on USB, it works OK. If I use the Mouse panel > and reset to PS/2, the computer refuses to recognize the PS/2 mouse even > after reboot. So, I could just always use a USB mouse but I'm annoyed the > PS/2 worked, then didn't. And I have lots of old PS/2 mice but only one USB! > > OK, you bright beans: Why does the computer refuse to work with the PS/2 > mouse? Is there some little file or folder where I can peek to set this > right? > Do you have one or two sections for pointer device in /etc/X11/XF86Config? Can you send listing? Most likely this is the problem file. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From k12osn at collinsoft.com Tue May 25 15:55:30 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Web based file sharing In-Reply-To: <1085079125.3511.35.camel@anthony> Message-ID: On 20 May 2004, John Baillie wrote: > A couple of teachers have asked if there was a way for students to > transfer files to and from home. I took a look at sourceforge and found > bytehoard http://bytehoard.sourceforge.net/ > > Does anyone here have experience with this or have suggestions for other > packages provide this functionality? > > If we do this it will most likely sit on a web server dedicated to this > task. We use http://www.webftp.org/. All you have to do is turn on FTP access on your file servers and you are set. For added security you could tell the ftp server on the file servers to only accept connections from the webserver running webftp. BTW, using an entire server for this would probably be overkill. :-) -- Ryan Collins From accessys at smart.net Tue May 25 18:06:17 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Changing languge settins on a per user basis In-Reply-To: <1085442020.1268.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1085442020.1268.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 May 2004, Bert Rolston wrote: have to change the keyboard setting too Bob > Hi folks, > > I know some of you have run into similar problems. > > I have a friend who has installed Xandros 2.0 Business edition with KDE > 3.x on his internet Cafe client machines. > > He wants the ability to change the keyboard and application language > settings as needed by his customers. > > He can get the correct language to show up in the web browser however > the customer still has to type using English. > > How can he get the applications and keyboard language to change with > some (preferably none) user interaction? > > I've looked through the settings, tried changing languages and regional > settings, but nothing seems to happen in the apps. > > If this is unclear please ask for further clarification. > > Cheers, > Bert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From les at futuresource.com Tue May 25 18:18:49 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:18:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] script help - please In-Reply-To: <78B4B63E-AE56-11D8-810F-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5AE5@ILFGEXC> <78B4B63E-AE56-11D8-810F-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <1085509128.10687.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 09:19, Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > The directory is a temp directory holding backups of home directories. > I know it's not elegant, but the data in this directory is only needed > if they didn't save to the server in the first place. I just don't > want it to get too full. I've mentioned this before, but if you take the small amount of time to set up backuppc, all of these kinds of things take care of themselves and there is a really handy web interface for everything except initially adding machines. (Yell if you need help with that part...). I run it on my own desktop box with a big (but cheap) IDE drive and the compression and linking lets it store about 5x what you could otherwise. http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue May 25 20:10:29 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:10:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh key generation In-Reply-To: <20040525124053.97AE473C55@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040525124053.97AE473C55@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1085515829.32603.83.camel@phoenix> (Pardon the reply formating... Evolution only copied part of the reply off the digest.. so I had to copy-paste). Immanuel, Does your application server share (ie: via NFS) the same home directory as your login/terminal server? If so, you shouldn't have to scp the files to a different server. All you would have to do is: cat $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys instead of scp. You should use >> if you wish to keep any other authorized keys the user has, otherwise you can use a plain "cp" or change >> to > and overwrite the file. Now do you want to have this run every time the user logs in, or only the first time? Henry Burroughs Immanuel Derks wrote: Hi all, I would like to know if other people who run separate application servers over ssh have figured out an elegante solution for public key production and distribution through a network without bothering students with this. It's easy to produce the keys without user intervention during login like: ssh-keygen -t rsa -q -f $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa -C '' -N '' But then the public key has to copied to the appserver like scp -l $USER $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub appserver:$HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and this would need a passwd from the user, so does one need to agree with the production of the known_hosts file on the client side. Kind regards, Immanuel Derks From jfaletra at sau16.org Tue May 25 20:30:38 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:30:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles not saving correctly Message-ID: Ok folks, I am using my k12ltsp box as a domain controller. I have roaming profiles working but for some reason they are not saving to /opt/samba/profiles/ USER_NAME_HERE They are saving to the home directory as /home/USER_NAME_HERE/profile smb.conf is below HELP!!!!!! Joe # Global parameters [global] workgroup = NEWFIELDS server string = Samba Server netbios name = NES1 smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd passdb backend = smbpasswd printcap name = cups log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log max log size = 50 socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 security = user domain logons = Yes preferred master = Yes domain master = Yes dns proxy = No wins support = Yes guest ok = Yes add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd/-m %u delete user script = /usr/sbin/userdel/ -r %u add group script = /uer/sbin/groupadd %g delete group script = /usr/sbin/groupdel/ %g add user to group script = /usr/sbin/usermod -G %g %u add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -s /bin/false \-d /dev/null %u #logon home = \\%L\%U os level = 80 idmap uid = 15000-20000 idmap gid = 15000-20000 [homes] comment = Home Directories valid users = %S writeable = yes read only = No create mask = 0664 directory mask = 0775 browseable = yes [netlogon] comment = Network Logon Service path = /opt/samba/netlogon #logon drive = h: [profiles] path = /opt/samba/profiles writeable = yes writeable = yes browseable = yes create mode = 0600 directory mode =0700 profile acls = yes read only = no [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printer admin = root, jfaletra create mask = 0600 guest ok = YES printable = Yes browseable = No [print$] comment = Printer Drivers Share path = /var/lib/samba/drivers write list = root, jfaletra printer admin = root, jfaletra From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Tue May 25 21:49:36 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:49:36 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] IE requirement Message-ID: "David D. Nelson" wrote: >> Then at each Windows workstation I'd install Netscape and setup the user "Netscape" to use the profile in drive "U:\Netscape" where U: was the users mapped home drive. << Yep; I've tested that with my office setup here, and it worked just fine. "Julius Szelagiewicz" wrote: >> Mozilla stores the profile under "Documents and Settings". << I think when I tried it, it didn't, but it may have changed by now. There was definitely a statement on mozilla.org that said it didn't support roaming profiles. >> what i did as an experiment was to samba mount my user directory residing on the ltsp server under the "Documents ...". this works well when the link is fast. for slow links i use a different profile. there is also a possibility of running rsync between the machines to synch the profiles. this is a pain, but actually achieves a true roaming goal. << One thing we haven't set up on the school network yet is to redirect "My Documents" to the Samba server home directory. Perhaps this is part of the problem? "Terrell Prude', Jr." wrote: >> Ghost is your friend here. << Unfortunately, no Ghost at this school - lots of different systems, from various suppliers, ranging from PII's with 32 MB of RAM running NT, to Dell Dimension 2350's with 256 MB and XP Pro. Managing that network is like herding cats. . . >> Why does this work? It's because you're telling Mozilla to always use this locally-stored Mozilla profile, regardless of the user who logs into the machine. << With this setup, do people's bookmarks roam with them, though? That was the goal for our setup. Barry Solof wrote: >> I'll confirm that this trick works for Firefox 0.8. << Now you're talking! I'm impressed by Firefox, and I think I might set up a test setup here with roaming profiles and a mix of Linux and Windows clients, before proposing it to the school. Thanks for all the comments, guys. I don't really remember what problems we had with Netscape 7.1, although I only ran into the problem the day before the start of term and while sorting out lots of other problems following the switch from a primitive NT server to a pretty full-on Samba DC setup. One issue might have been the problem of deploying the setup to 260 users by next day. Thanks to this discussion, I've got a good opportunity to revisit this problem now and come up with a better solution that dispenses with IE (and will also work in with a K12LTSP deployment, too). Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From mail at beachmail.ca Tue May 25 22:08:07 2004 From: mail at beachmail.ca (David Beach) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:08:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 1 - doesn't like PS/2 mouse after update Message-ID: On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 17:07, David Beach wrote: >> I have an old IBM PS/2 mouse and all worked well - I rebooted and moused >> around a bit and all seemed OK. (the PS/2 mouse worked just fine after the >> initial install so I presume this is not a hardware issue.) So I decided to >> retrieve the updates. I got the kernel and I think some of the other >> updates. Eventually got the lot loaded. BUT, when it boots (now with either >> the old or new kernel) the machine chokes and won't run X. Says it has a >> problem with the mouse. It pops up a clunky window that lets me choose the >> mouse again. Again, I choose 2 buttun generic PS/2 mouse. Again, it doesn't >> work! I eventually end up at the command line. >> >> When I plug in another mouse on USB, it works OK. If I use the Mouse panel >> and reset to PS/2, the computer refuses to recognize the PS/2 mouse even >> after reboot. So, I could just always use a USB mouse but I'm annoyed the >> PS/2 worked, then didn't. And I have lots of old PS/2 mice but only one USB! >> >> OK, you bright beans: Why does the computer refuse to work with the PS/2 >> mouse? Is there some little file or folder where I can peek to set this >> right? >> >Do you have one or two sections for pointer device in >/etc/X11/XF86Config? Can you send listing? Most likely this is the >problem file. >HTH >-- >Sudev Barar >Learning Linux OK, maybe you can figure this out. I configured it for the PS/2 mouse first then, when the system choked, I reconfigured it for USB - and it works. The file as it stands is what is currently there - with the USB mouse plugged in. David ********** # XFree86 4 configuration created by pyxf86config Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "DevInputMice" "AlwaysCore" EndSection Section "Files" # RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "unix/:7100" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "glx" Load "record" Load "freetype" Load "type1" Load "dri" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # Option "XkbDisable" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # or: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" # Or if you just want both to be control, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" # Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "keyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # If the normal CorePointer mouse is not a USB mouse then # this input device can be used in AlwaysCore mode to let you # also use USB mice at the same time. Identifier "DevInputMice" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Monitor 800x600" HorizSync 31.5 - 35.1 VertRefresh 50.0 - 61.0 Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "sis" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "SiS 650" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "DRI" Group 0 Mode 0666 EndSection From goblin at scooter.co.nz Tue May 25 22:12:12 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (MrGoblin) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:12:12 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 1 - doesn't like PS/2 mouse after update In-Reply-To: <1085497668.4333.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1085497668.4333.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <40B3C4BC.5060100@scooter.co.nz> S > Do you have one or two sections for pointer device in > /etc/X11/XF86Config? Can you send listing? Most likely this is the > problem file. Take a look at /etc/X11/XF86Config and see what the Protocol is set to. If the "Protocol" is set to "auto" change it to "PS/2" (or "IMPS/2" if it's a wheel mouse) mRgOBLIN From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue May 25 22:30:35 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:30:35 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing languge settins on a per user basis In-Reply-To: References: <1085442020.1268.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <1085523569.2442.28.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Bob, Thanks for the reply. I've changed the keyboard layout, country/region language, logged out and logged back in changing the language at login. I chose Japanese in this case. This gave me Japanese menus but still gave me English text in OO, text editor, and Abiword. This is in FC1 using KDE 3.1 The rub is MS actually does this a lot better than Linux according to my friend. He doesn't want to continue with MS products, but his clientele is predominantly international students. I'll keep looking around for an answer. Thanks, Bert On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 06:06, Access Systems wrote: > On Tue, 25 May 2004, Bert Rolston wrote: > > > have to change the keyboard setting too > > Bob > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I know some of you have run into similar problems. > > > > I have a friend who has installed Xandros 2.0 Business edition with KDE > > 3.x on his internet Cafe client machines. > > > > He wants the ability to change the keyboard and application language > > settings as needed by his customers. > > > > He can get the correct language to show up in the web browser however > > the customer still has to type using English. > > > > How can he get the applications and keyboard language to change with > > some (preferably none) user interaction? > > > > I've looked through the settings, tried changing languages and regional > > settings, but nothing seems to happen in the apps. > > > > If this is unclear please ask for further clarification. > > > > Cheers, > > Bert > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Tue May 25 23:24:06 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:24:06 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles not saving correctly Message-ID: "Joe Faletra" wrote: >> I am using my k12ltsp box as a domain controller. I have roaming profiles working but for some reason they are not saving to /opt/samba/profiles/ USER_NAME_HERE They are saving to the home directory as /home/USER_NAME_HERE/profile << Add the line: logon path = \\%N\profiles\%u in your smb.conf. See man 5 smb.conf for an explanation. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue May 25 23:22:48 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:22:48 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles not saving correctly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085524531.2442.42.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Joe, Are these Win9x boxes or NT/XP machines? Win9x stores the profile in /home/username With NT / XP you have to enable roaming profiles on the machine for it to save correctly. Not sure if this is what you want. Cheers, Bert On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 08:30, Joe Faletra wrote: > Ok folks, > > I am using my k12ltsp box as a domain controller. I have roaming > profiles working but for some reason they are not saving to > /opt/samba/profiles/ USER_NAME_HERE They are saving to the home > directory as /home/USER_NAME_HERE/profile > > smb.conf is below > > HELP!!!!!! > > Joe > > # Global parameters > [global] > workgroup = NEWFIELDS > server string = Samba Server > netbios name = NES1 > smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd > passdb backend = smbpasswd > printcap name = cups > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > max log size = 50 > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > security = user > domain logons = Yes > preferred master = Yes > domain master = Yes > dns proxy = No > wins support = Yes > guest ok = Yes > add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd/-m %u > delete user script = /usr/sbin/userdel/ -r %u > add group script = /uer/sbin/groupadd %g > delete group script = /usr/sbin/groupdel/ %g > add user to group script = /usr/sbin/usermod -G %g %u > add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -s /bin/false \-d > /dev/null %u > #logon home = \\%L\%U > os level = 80 > idmap uid = 15000-20000 > idmap gid = 15000-20000 > > [homes] > comment = Home Directories > valid users = %S > writeable = yes > read only = No > create mask = 0664 > directory mask = 0775 > browseable = yes > > [netlogon] > comment = Network Logon Service > path = /opt/samba/netlogon > #logon drive = h: > [profiles] > path = /opt/samba/profiles > writeable = yes > writeable = yes > browseable = yes > create mode = 0600 > directory mode =0700 > profile acls = yes > read only = no > > [printers] > comment = All Printers > path = /var/spool/samba > printer admin = root, jfaletra > create mask = 0600 > guest ok = YES > printable = Yes > browseable = No > > [print$] > comment = Printer Drivers Share > path = /var/lib/samba/drivers > write list = root, jfaletra > printer admin = root, jfaletra > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From accessys at smart.net Wed May 26 02:40:46 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Changing languge settins on a per user basis In-Reply-To: <1085523569.2442.28.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1085442020.1268.15.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1085523569.2442.28.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 May 2004, Bert Rolston wrote: > Thanks for the reply. > > I've changed the keyboard layout, country/region language, logged out > and logged back in changing the language at login. I chose Japanese in > this case. I use Japanese also and you have to have loaded the language drivers to match the languages you need > This gave me Japanese menus but still gave me English text in OO, text > editor, and Abiword. right if you have the Japanese language loaded from the intstalation disks it should load....been so long not sure how I did it Bob > > This is in FC1 using KDE 3.1 > > The rub is MS actually does this a lot better than Linux according to my > friend. He doesn't want to continue with MS products, but his clientele > is predominantly international students. > > I'll keep looking around for an answer. > > Thanks, > Bert > > On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 06:06, Access Systems wrote: > > On Tue, 25 May 2004, Bert Rolston wrote: > > > > > > have to change the keyboard setting too > > > > Bob > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > I know some of you have run into similar problems. > > > > > > I have a friend who has installed Xandros 2.0 Business edition with KDE > > > 3.x on his internet Cafe client machines. > > > > > > He wants the ability to change the keyboard and application language > > > settings as needed by his customers. > > > > > > He can get the correct language to show up in the web browser however > > > the customer still has to type using English. > > > > > > How can he get the applications and keyboard language to change with > > > some (preferably none) user interaction? > > > > > > I've looked through the settings, tried changing languages and regional > > > settings, but nothing seems to happen in the apps. > > > > > > If this is unclear please ask for further clarification. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Wed May 26 06:02:35 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:02:35 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP offers addresses toPXE clients but not floppy based ones In-Reply-To: <006b01c433b0$87fbbfe0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <006b01c433b0$87fbbfe0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1085551355.1715.13.camel@linux.local> I have a strange problem in that my DHCP server serves up ip addresses to PXE based clients but I have a few floppy disk and hard disk based clients which will not get an detect the DHCP server. Any ideas? From robark at telus.net Wed May 26 05:30:41 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:30:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Watchteacher Message-ID: <200405252230.41202.robark@telus.net> I found this info http://linus.yorktown.arlington.k12.va.us/cs/at/students/Wheeler_Nick/ InstallingTeacherToolandWatchTeacher_html about a script that uses Xvnc and vncviewer to allow students to view the teacher's screen. I think this is fantastic. I would not have to borrow an expensive LCD projector anymore. The problem is I am not very familiar with the described method of setting things up. I don't know how to setup two vnc servers (one on localhost 98 and the other 99) etc.. I was wondering if someone could post a detailed "how-to" with line by line instructions for a newbie. I really think many teachers would love this application. Especially for teaching programming. Personally I think this would be a super idea to ship built-in as part of k12ltsp. this is an older method http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/vncreflector-how-to.html PS I am using k12ltsp 3.1.2 but will be upgrading to 4.1 when it comes out. Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed May 26 07:03:08 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:33:08 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 1 - doesn't like PS/2 mouse after update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085554987.9717.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 03:38, David Beach wrote: > On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 17:07, David Beach wrote: > >> I have an old IBM PS/2 mouse and all worked well - I rebooted and moused > >> around a bit and all seemed OK. (the PS/2 mouse worked just fine after the Then this is not a wheel mouse (scroll mouse)? Assuming it is not then edit "IMPS/2" to "PS/2" in the following lines and also comment out ZAxis Mapping: > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > > # If the normal CorePointer mouse is not a USB mouse then > # this input device can be used in AlwaysCore mode to let you > # also use USB mice at the same time. > Identifier "DevInputMice" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > EndSection Another suggestion would be to change "/dev/input/mice" to "/dev/psaux" in the first section above. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From I.Derks at translucent.nl Wed May 26 07:15:25 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:15:25 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh key generation In-Reply-To: <1085515829.32603.83.camel@phoenix> References: <20040525124053.97AE473C55@hormel.redhat.com> <1085515829.32603.83.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: <1085555725.3864.16.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> Op di 25-05-2004, om 22:10 schreef Henry Burroughs: > (Pardon the reply formating... Evolution only copied part of the reply > off the digest.. so I had to copy-paste). > > Immanuel, > > Does your application server share (ie: via NFS) the same home directory > as your login/terminal server? If so, you shouldn't have to scp the > files to a different server. All you would have to do is: > > cat $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys That is an idea, indeed. I'll see if we can set it up like that. > > instead of scp. You should use >> if you wish to keep any other > authorized keys the user has, otherwise you can use a plain "cp" or > change >> to > and overwrite the file. Now do you want to have this run > every time the user logs in, or only the first time? Well, that is still an open question. Anyway we'll have to automate things up till the point that 1000+ students become manageable with ssh key authentications for the app server. My guess would be to run it just for the first time, and have the keys, authorized_keys files and known_hosts file backed up in case of loss. (they can't be made ro or root I thought because ssh is quiet strict on that). The most headache up to this point are the known_hosts files because these seem to need user intervention to create and I haven't found a way to circumvent that. Any idea's are more then welcome here. Regards Immanuel > > Henry Burroughs > > Immanuel Derks wrote: > > Hi all, > > I would like to know if other people who run separate application > servers over ssh have figured out an elegante solution for public key > production and distribution through a network without bothering students > with this. > > It's easy to produce the keys without user intervention during login > like: > > ssh-keygen -t rsa -q -f $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa -C '' -N '' > > But then the public key has to copied to the appserver like > > scp -l $USER $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub appserver:$HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub > > and this would need a passwd from the user, so does one need to agree > with the production of the known_hosts file on the client side. > > > Kind regards, > Immanuel Derks > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From holmes at worcestercoop.org Wed May 26 08:53:59 2004 From: holmes at worcestercoop.org (Holmes Wilson) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 04:53:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better Message-ID: <3AD1BF7C-AEF2-11D8-986B-0003938B5962@worcestercoop.org> Hi everyone, I just had a funny experience: I joined the list specifically to ask if anyone would be interested in working on a Live-CD to facilitate turning donated boxes into thin clients, and then while looking through recent archives to get a feel for the discussion, I stumbled across Steven's post where he proposed the exact same idea. My angle on this is that last year some friends and I started a small organization in our town (Worcester, MA) where we're using donated computers and free software to set up LTSP labs and give free computers to participants. I know that schools, not small neighborhood labs, are probably the primary target for K12LTSP development. But there is a huge potential for these kinds of labs because they can be put together on such a small budget--especially when you throw donated computers into the mix. And a tool like the one discussed would make setting up--and maintaining--these labs a lot simpler. I definitely appreciate Terrell's point that, in a larger, more complicated setting, things can quickly get unwieldy for administrators when you give powerful tools to people who don't understand how they work. At the same time, I think that a streamlined system for making thin clients would make the deployment of LTSP labs a lot easier. A few points (some of these have been made already): On donated computers: *Donated computers are free. That is a huge advantage to groups that have volunteers but small budgets. *Linux is not always an easy sell. Dramatic cost savings like these sweeten the deal. *Donated computers would otherwise be a problem for landfills. *Donated computers usually have PCI hardware, which means the NIC and video card is easily autodetected *Each year this becomes more true. *Donated computers do have one major disadvantage: they break. But more donated machines are always plentiful. On the importance of making it easy: *Even for someone who knows what they are doing, it is a pain in the neck to turn donated boxes into thin clients ("where the heck is lts.conf again?") *There are tons people who know enough about computers to install a network card or walk through an install script who are quickly overwhelmed by the kind of command line stuff you have to do to make a new thin client from a donated computer. *Since donated computers break, it's important to be able to replace them. *The more people you have who can do this, the more flexible your division of labor. Linux gurus can be called upon sparingly for trickier tasks. *When you improve ease-of-use you expand the pool of people who are qualified to deploy and maintain new labs, which means more people benefit from this awesome software. One of the most amazing things about LTSP labs is how low-maintenance they are. We've had our lab up since last June, with young kids coming in to beat the heck out of it 4 days a week since then, on severely underpowered hardware, and there haven't been any problems. That means that I can feel confident setting up a lab, training people on basic stuff (adduser, CUPS) and letting them run with it, with myself and more knowledgable people to contact in case there's a problem. If they get a new box donated and want to add it as a client, it would be awesome if I could leave them with a simple way to do it that would work 80% of the time. Again, to return to Terrell's concern, I see this Live CD thing more as something that an administrator would make available to users, rather than something people would just download themselves and monkey around with. Particularly because, as he points out, it's tricky to download and burn an .iso file. Anyway, I have a few friends that would be interested in working on something like this. If anyone's interested in helping I could set up a Wiki for planning out the best way to do it. Takers? Finally, this is my first post to this list, so first I'd really like to thank all the developers for the awesome work that's gone into the K12LTSP package. Holmes Wilson Worcester Computer Co-op From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed May 26 09:03:52 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:03:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <3AD1BF7C-AEF2-11D8-986B-0003938B5962@worcestercoop.org> References: <3AD1BF7C-AEF2-11D8-986B-0003938B5962@worcestercoop.org> Message-ID: <40B45D78.8010906@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Holmes Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I just had a funny experience: I joined the list specifically to ask > if anyone would be interested in working on a Live-CD to facilitate > turning donated boxes into thin clients, and then while looking > through recent archives to get a feel for the discussion, I stumbled > across Steven's post where he proposed the exact same idea. My angle > on this is that last year some friends and I started a small > organization in our town (Worcester, MA) where we're using donated > computers and free software to set up LTSP labs and give free > computers to participants. I know that schools, not small > neighborhood labs, are probably the primary target for K12LTSP > development. But there is a huge potential for these kinds of labs > because they can be put together on such a small budget--especially > when you throw donated computers into the mix. And a tool like the > one discussed would make setting up--and maintaining--these labs a lot > simpler. Hi Holmes, Could you please elaborate? Normally you just put in a network card and switch on. On live terminal servers, Knoppix has one built in that works very nicely. LTSP is also widely used in non-school environments, and it's starting to get very popular over here in South Africa. We get lots of computers fromthe UK with stickers on that says "good for africa". It turns out they are good for LTSP too :) -Jonathan From jfaletra at sau16.org Wed May 26 10:54:51 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 06:54:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles not saving correctly In-Reply-To: <1085524531.2442.42.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1085524531.2442.42.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: XP machines. They ARE saving the profile but they are saving in /home/USERNAME/profiles and we all know this is bad because they can be "accidentally" deleted! I want the profiles to be saved elsewhere namely /opt/samba/profiles/USERNAME Joe "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Hi Joe, > >Are these Win9x boxes or NT/XP machines? > >Win9x stores the profile in /home/username > >With NT / XP you have to enable roaming profiles on the machine for it >to save correctly. > >Not sure if this is what you want. > >Cheers, >Bert >On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 08:30, Joe Faletra wrote: >> Ok folks, >> >> I am using my k12ltsp box as a domain controller. I have roaming >> profiles working but for some reason they are not saving to >> /opt/samba/profiles/ USER_NAME_HERE They are saving to the home >> directory as /home/USER_NAME_HERE/profile >> >> smb.conf is below >> >> HELP!!!!!! >> >> Joe >> >> # Global parameters >> [global] >> workgroup = NEWFIELDS >> server string = Samba Server >> netbios name = NES1 >> smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd >> passdb backend = smbpasswd >> printcap name = cups >> log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log >> max log size = 50 >> socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 >> security = user >> domain logons = Yes >> preferred master = Yes >> domain master = Yes >> dns proxy = No >> wins support = Yes >> guest ok = Yes >> add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd/-m %u >> delete user script = /usr/sbin/userdel/ -r %u >> add group script = /uer/sbin/groupadd %g >> delete group script = /usr/sbin/groupdel/ %g >> add user to group script = /usr/sbin/usermod -G %g %u >> add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -s /bin/false \-d >> /dev/null %u >> #logon home = \\%L\%U >> os level = 80 >> idmap uid = 15000-20000 >> idmap gid = 15000-20000 >> >> [homes] >> comment = Home Directories >> valid users = %S >> writeable = yes >> read only = No >> create mask = 0664 >> directory mask = 0775 >> browseable = yes >> >> [netlogon] >> comment = Network Logon Service >> path = /opt/samba/netlogon >> #logon drive = h: >> [profiles] >> path = /opt/samba/profiles >> writeable = yes >> writeable = yes >> browseable = yes >> create mode = 0600 >> directory mode =0700 >> profile acls = yes >> read only = no >> >> [printers] >> comment = All Printers >> path = /var/spool/samba >> printer admin = root, jfaletra >> create mask = 0600 >> guest ok = YES >> printable = Yes >> browseable = No >> >> [print$] >> comment = Printer Drivers Share >> path = /var/lib/samba/drivers >> write list = root, jfaletra >> printer admin = root, jfaletra >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >-- >================================== >Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. >Mobile - 027 264 0851 >================================== >Specialising in system support >alternative solutions and >Linux operating system >================================== > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. 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From tony.hadfield at baesystems.com Wed May 26 11:41:58 2004 From: tony.hadfield at baesystems.com (Tony Hadfield) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:41:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better Message-ID: <36CDE15C0BE1A84BB8595FE684FB8563091BDA@baesystems.com> Hi, There is already a live-cd which turns donated hardware into a thin client, the PXES Linux thin client. http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ I've tried it out, works a treat! Just download the iso and burn it to CD. ________________ Tony Hadfield -----Original Message----- From: Holmes Wilson [mailto:holmes at worcestercoop.org] Sent: 26 May 2004 09:54 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better Hi everyone, I just had a funny experience: I joined the list specifically to ask if anyone would be interested in working on a Live-CD to facilitate turning donated boxes into thin clients, and then while looking through recent archives to get a feel for the discussion, I stumbled across Steven's post where he proposed the exact same idea. My angle on this is that last year some friends and I started a small organization in our town (Worcester, MA) where we're using donated computers and free software to set up LTSP labs and give free computers to participants. I know that schools, not small neighborhood labs, are probably the primary target for K12LTSP development. But there is a huge potential for these kinds of labs because they can be put together on such a small budget--especially when you throw donated computers into the mix. And a tool like the one discussed would make setting up--and maintaining--these labs a lot simpler. I definitely appreciate Terrell's point that, in a larger, more complicated setting, things can quickly get unwieldy for administrators when you give powerful tools to people who don't understand how they work. At the same time, I think that a streamlined system for making thin clients would make the deployment of LTSP labs a lot easier. A few points (some of these have been made already): On donated computers: *Donated computers are free. That is a huge advantage to groups that have volunteers but small budgets. *Linux is not always an easy sell. Dramatic cost savings like these sweeten the deal. *Donated computers would otherwise be a problem for landfills. *Donated computers usually have PCI hardware, which means the NIC and video card is easily autodetected *Each year this becomes more true. *Donated computers do have one major disadvantage: they break. But more donated machines are always plentiful. On the importance of making it easy: *Even for someone who knows what they are doing, it is a pain in the neck to turn donated boxes into thin clients ("where the heck is lts.conf again?") *There are tons people who know enough about computers to install a network card or walk through an install script who are quickly overwhelmed by the kind of command line stuff you have to do to make a new thin client from a donated computer. *Since donated computers break, it's important to be able to replace them. *The more people you have who can do this, the more flexible your division of labor. Linux gurus can be called upon sparingly for trickier tasks. *When you improve ease-of-use you expand the pool of people who are qualified to deploy and maintain new labs, which means more people benefit from this awesome software. One of the most amazing things about LTSP labs is how low-maintenance they are. We've had our lab up since last June, with young kids coming in to beat the heck out of it 4 days a week since then, on severely underpowered hardware, and there haven't been any problems. That means that I can feel confident setting up a lab, training people on basic stuff (adduser, CUPS) and letting them run with it, with myself and more knowledgable people to contact in case there's a problem. If they get a new box donated and want to add it as a client, it would be awesome if I could leave them with a simple way to do it that would work 80% of the time. Again, to return to Terrell's concern, I see this Live CD thing more as something that an administrator would make available to users, rather than something people would just download themselves and monkey around with. Particularly because, as he points out, it's tricky to download and burn an .iso file. Anyway, I have a few friends that would be interested in working on something like this. If anyone's interested in helping I could set up a Wiki for planning out the best way to do it. Takers? Finally, this is my first post to this list, so first I'd really like to thank all the developers for the awesome work that's gone into the K12LTSP package. Holmes Wilson Worcester Computer Co-op _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed May 26 12:46:49 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:46:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Watchteacher In-Reply-To: <200405252230.41202.robark@telus.net> References: <200405252230.41202.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: robark at telus.net writes: >Personally I think this would be a super idea to ship built-in as part of >k12ltsp. > >this is an older method >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/vncreflector-how-to.html It's not old....I wrote it this past fall. It's based on the other one....just simplified and Eric rewrote a couple lines in the GUI part to get it to ID the workstations correctly. It works....I'm using it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed May 26 12:30:09 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:30:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <3AD1BF7C-AEF2-11D8-986B-0003938B5962@worcestercoop.org> References: <3AD1BF7C-AEF2-11D8-986B-0003938B5962@worcestercoop.org> Message-ID: <40B48DD1.3040400@cmosnetworks.com> Hi Holmes, Actually, my bigger concern is people standing up stuff on the network willy-nilly without first going through their IT folks. I'm not saying that a Live CD is a bad idea or that donations shouldn't be used. Quite the contrary; I think using donations is a great idea and did so myself for a K12LTSP lab. What I was saying--and still maintain--is that the IT folks need to be consulted. About 50-60% of the network problems that I encounter would not occur if folks simply did this. --TP Holmes Wilson wrote: > > Again, to return to Terrell's concern, I see this Live CD thing more > as something that an administrator would make available to users, > rather than something people would just download themselves and monkey > around with. Particularly because, as he points out, it's tricky to > download and burn an .iso file. > From jritchie at bible.edu Wed May 26 12:52:55 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:52:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <40B48DD1.3040400@cmosnetworks.com> References: <3AD1BF7C-AEF2-11D8-986B-0003938B5962@worcestercoop.org> <40B48DD1.3040400@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1085575975.8324.300.camel@penguin> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 08:30, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Hi Holmes, > > Actually, my bigger concern is people standing up stuff on the network > willy-nilly without first going through their IT folks. I'm not saying > that a Live CD is a bad idea or that donations shouldn't be used. Quite > the contrary; I think using donations is a great idea and did so myself > for a K12LTSP lab. What I was saying--and still maintain--is that the > IT folks need to be consulted. About 50-60% of the network problems > that I encounter would not occur if folks simply did this. I'll second that, though my percentage might not be quite so high. JSR/ From patmo98 at yahoo.com Wed May 26 15:01:44 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:01:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh key generation In-Reply-To: <1085555725.3864.16.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> References: <20040525124053.97AE473C55@hormel.redhat.com> <1085515829.32603.83.camel@phoenix> <1085555725.3864.16.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> Message-ID: <40B4B158.8050609@yahoo.com> Immanuel Derks wrote: >Op di 25-05-2004, om 22:10 schreef Henry Burroughs: > > > >>(Pardon the reply formating... Evolution only copied part of the reply >> >> > > > >>off the digest.. so I had to copy-paste). >> >> > > > > > > >>Immanuel, >> >> > > > > > > >>Does your application server share (ie: via NFS) the same home directory >> >> > > > >>as your login/terminal server? If so, you shouldn't have to scp the >> >> > > > >>files to a different server. All you would have to do is: >> >> > > > > > > >>cat $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys >> >> > > > >That is an idea, indeed. I'll see if we can set it up like that. > > > > > > >>instead of scp. You should use >> if you wish to keep any other >> >> > > > >>authorized keys the user has, otherwise you can use a plain "cp" or >> >> > > > >>change >> to > and overwrite the file. Now do you want to have this run >> >> > > > >>every time the user logs in, or only the first time? >> >> > > > >Well, that is still an open question. Anyway we'll have to automate > >things up till the point that 1000+ students become manageable with ssh > >key authentications for the app server. My guess would be to run it just > >for the first time, and have the keys, authorized_keys files and > >known_hosts file backed up in case of loss. (they can't be made ro or > >root I thought because ssh is quiet strict on that). > > > >The most headache up to this point are the known_hosts files because > >these seem to need user intervention to create and I haven't found a way > >to circumvent that. Any idea's are more then welcome here. > > > > > >Regards Immanuel > > > > > > >>Henry Burroughs >> >> > > > > > > >>Immanuel Derks wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>Hi all, >> >> >>I would like to know if other people who run separate application >> >> >>servers over ssh have figured out an elegante solution for public key >> >> >>production and distribution through a network without bothering students >> >> >>with this. >> >> >>It's easy to produce the keys without user intervention during login >> >> >>like: >> >> >>ssh-keygen -t rsa -q -f $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa -C '' -N '' >> >> >>But then the public key has to copied to the appserver like >> >> >>scp -l $USER $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub appserver:$HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> >> >>and this would need a passwd from the user, so does one need to agree >> >> >>with the production of the known_hosts file on the client side. >> >> >>Kind regards, >> >> >>Immanuel Derks >> >> I am not faminure with making a known hosts file, but you should be able to use a login shell script somthing to this effect. You will need to make changes, since I don't know what a known hosts file looks like. #!/bin/bash if ! [ -f ~/.ssh/known_hosts ] then cd ~/.ssh touch known_hosts chown $USER:$USER known_hosts chmod 644 known_hosts echo "localhost ssh-rsa AAAAB351gcOGYmCk=" >> known_hosts echo "This will apear on the secound line" >> known_hosts fi From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 26 15:12:17 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:12:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows Message-ID: <00ae01c44333$d84a7d50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Does anyone know of a good (free) NFS client for Windows? I would like to export some Linux file systems through NFS over the internet and onto some Windows machines if possible. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed May 26 15:24:14 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:24:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh key generation In-Reply-To: <20040526150219.39BB774369@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040526150219.39BB774369@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1085585054.18793.29.camel@phoenix> According to the ssh_config manual, there should/can be a /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts file in which you can can place the destination host public key. You could copy a clean .ssh/known_hosts file or you could use something like "ssh-keyscan", which is designed to scan many hosts and retrieve the public keys (aka generate your ssh_known_hosts file). Do "man ssh-keyscan" to check it out... in the examples section it shows how to retrieve the rsa protocol 2 (it by default gets rsa1... aka protocol 1 of ssh). Doing this would keep you from having to create a new known_hosts file for new users, and if you ever update or add a new host it will be easy... just add/change it in ssh_known_hosts. I have never tried this, however it looks like it should work. Henry Burroughs Patrick Mohr wrote: > I am not faminure with making a known hosts file, but you should be able > to use a login shell script somthing to this effect. > You will need to make changes, since I don't know what a known hosts > file looks like. > > > #!/bin/bash > > if ! [ -f ~/.ssh/known_hosts ] > then cd ~/.ssh > touch known_hosts > chown $USER:$USER known_hosts > chmod 644 known_hosts > echo "localhost ssh-rsa AAAAB351gcOGYmCk=" >> known_hosts > echo "This will apear on the secound line" >> known_hosts > fi > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn From les at futuresource.com Wed May 26 15:53:11 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:53:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <00ae01c44333$d84a7d50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00ae01c44333$d84a7d50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1085586790.26051.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 10:12, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does anyone know of a good (free) NFS client for Windows? I would like > to export some Linux file systems through NFS over the internet and onto > some Windows machines if possible. That sounds like the worst idea I've heard in months, but you can download Windows Services for Unix for free now: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/ and it should include NFS. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 26 16:12:00 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:12:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <1085586790.26051.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <000701c4433c$30072590$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Just curious as to why it is such a bad idea. If I am doing something incredibly stupid I would like to know. I just saw this as an easier way to share files real time remotely than setting up a VPN. I have people all the time who have something like Quickbooks at work and want to be able to edit this at home as well. Problem is they do not have access to the .qbk file from home. I thought something like this would be an easy fix to store the .qbk on a linux server and export the share via nfs to the ip of the 2 clients that needed access to it. Problem solved. But maybe this is insane, I don't know enough yet to know the difference. I'll check out the MS link in the meantime. Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:53 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows > > > On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 10:12, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Does anyone know of a good (free) NFS client for Windows? I would > > like to export some Linux file systems through NFS over the > internet > > and onto some Windows machines if possible. > > That sounds like the worst idea I've heard in months, but you > can download Windows Services for Unix for free now: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/ and it should include NFS. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From patmo98 at yahoo.com Wed May 26 16:30:27 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:30:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <000701c4433c$30072590$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000701c4433c$30072590$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40B4C623.8020808@yahoo.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Just curious as to why it is such a bad idea. If I am doing something > >incredibly stupid I would like to know. I just saw this as an easier > >way to share files real time remotely than setting up a VPN. I have > >people all the time who have something like Quickbooks at work and want > >to be able to edit this at home as well. Problem is they do not have > >access to the .qbk file from home. I thought something like this would > >be an easy fix to store the .qbk on a linux server and export the share > >via nfs to the ip of the 2 clients that needed access to it. Problem > >solved. But maybe this is insane, I don't know enough yet to know the > >difference. > > > >I'll check out the MS link in the meantime. > > > >Thanks > > > > Insane is the wrong word, but MS has never been very good at working with other OS's. I think that you should try the package samba. This package makes it look to all computers of the network that the computer is an NT server. If you enable SWAT is /etc/xinetd.d/swat you shouldn't have too much trouble with it. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 26 16:42:14 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:42:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <40B4C623.8020808@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c44340$6911d200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> As far as I know Samba will only work on the local LAN not over the internet. I need off-site access to these types of files. I know that AFP offers AFP over TCP but that doesn't help me with Windows. > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Mohr > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:30 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >Just curious as to why it is such a bad idea. If I am doing > something > > > >incredibly stupid I would like to know. I just saw this as an easier > > > >way to share files real time remotely than setting up a VPN. I have > > > >people all the time who have something like Quickbooks at > work and want > > > >to be able to edit this at home as well. Problem is they do not have > > > >access to the .qbk file from home. I thought something like > this would > > > >be an easy fix to store the .qbk on a linux server and > export the share > > > >via nfs to the ip of the 2 clients that needed access to it. Problem > > > >solved. But maybe this is insane, I don't know enough yet > to know the > > > >difference. > > > > > > > >I'll check out the MS link in the meantime. > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > > > Insane is the wrong word, but MS has never been very good at working > with other OS's. I think that you should try the package > samba. This > package makes it look to all computers of the network that > the computer > is an NT server. If you enable SWAT is /etc/xinetd.d/swat > you shouldn't > have too much trouble with it. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed May 26 16:50:55 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:50:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <000701c4433c$30072590$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000701c4433c$30072590$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1085590254.26051.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 11:12, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Just curious as to why it is such a bad idea. To start with, NFS is fairly insecure. Even in the best case if you are root on the client you can pretend to be anybody on the server as far as access to the shared files goes. It uses IP addresses for host authentication and these can be faked fairly easily. It also normally runs over UDP which is fast on a mostly error-free local network but not a good idea over the internet since it doesn't have a built-in error correction mechanism (NFS has it's own, but not as good as TCP's). Then you have to install the client software on every machine since it isn't built-in. If you have to install a client, you might as well use winscp over ssh and be secure, or a VPN if you really need transparent file access instead of just the ability to copy back and forth. If you are willing to trade a bit of security for convenient mapped file access, you could go with samba on the server restricting access to the known clients IP addresses in samba, iptables firewalling, or both. That way you don't need anything special on the client, you at least require a login and password, and needing a TCP connection makes it quite a bit harder to spoof the IP address. I'd expect that to be about as safe (or unsafe) as an FTP server on the internet but if there is anything worth stealing on the server I'd still prefer ssh or a vpn. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed May 26 16:53:11 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:53:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <001301c44340$6911d200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001301c44340$6911d200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1085590391.26051.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 11:42, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > As far as I know Samba will only work on the local LAN not over the > internet. I need off-site access to these types of files. I know that > AFP offers AFP over TCP but that doesn't help me with Windows. Samba works over TCP and thus over the internet if you let it through your firewalls. There are some quirks with netbios name resolution that you can fix with a WINS server or by putting the server name in DNS (that the client can see). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 26 16:54:30 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:54:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <001301c44340$6911d200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001301c44340$6911d200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1085590469.2491.136.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 09:42, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > As far as I know Samba will only work on the local LAN not over the > internet. I need off-site access to these types of files. I know that > AFP offers AFP over TCP but that doesn't help me with Windows. Samba works over the Internet. No one in their right mind permits SMB through their firewall, however. Same with NFS, you don't want to expose it to the internet. Have you looked into WinSCP? http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/ This is much, much, much more sane to access files from home. -Eric > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Mohr > > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:30 AM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows > > > > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > >Just curious as to why it is such a bad idea. If I am doing > > something > > > > > >incredibly stupid I would like to know. I just saw this as an easier > > > > > >way to share files real time remotely than setting up a VPN. I have > > > > > >people all the time who have something like Quickbooks at > > work and want > > > > > >to be able to edit this at home as well. Problem is they do not have > > > > > >access to the .qbk file from home. I thought something like > > this would > > > > > >be an easy fix to store the .qbk on a linux server and > > export the share > > > > > >via nfs to the ip of the 2 clients that needed access to it. Problem > > > > > >solved. But maybe this is insane, I don't know enough yet > > to know the > > > > > >difference. > > > > > > > > > > > >I'll check out the MS link in the meantime. > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Insane is the wrong word, but MS has never been very good at working > > with other OS's. I think that you should try the package > > samba. This > > package makes it look to all computers of the network that > > the computer > > is an NT server. If you enable SWAT is /etc/xinetd.d/swat > > you shouldn't > > have too much trouble with it. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 26 16:58:51 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:58:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <1085590391.26051.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <001a01c44342$bc0df3b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> How would I go about telling my Windows box how to find a Samba mount over the internet from my linux server. I would definitely be more interested in this, I just didn't think it was possible. > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:53 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows > > > On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 11:42, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > As far as I know Samba will only work on the local LAN not over the > > internet. I need off-site access to these types of files. I know > > that AFP offers AFP over TCP but that doesn't help me with Windows. > > Samba works over TCP and thus over the internet if you let it > through your firewalls. There are some quirks with netbios > name resolution that you can fix with a WINS server or by > putting the server name in DNS (that the client can see). > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 26 17:00:34 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:00:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <1085590469.2491.136.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <001b01c44342$f92d61e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I think I get everyones point here. I will check out WinSCP or just bite the bullet and learn how to set up a VPN. I have a lot of customers asking for VPN setups but have dodged it. Thanks for all the input and keeping me part of the sane world. > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:55 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows > > > On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 09:42, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > As far as I know Samba will only work on the local LAN not over the > > internet. I need off-site access to these types of files. I know > > that AFP offers AFP over TCP but that doesn't help me with Windows. > > > Samba works over the Internet. No one in their right mind > permits SMB through their firewall, however. Same with NFS, > you don't want to expose it to the internet. > > Have you looked into WinSCP? http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/ > This is much, much, much more sane to access files from home. > > -Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Mohr > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:30 AM > > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows > > > > > > > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > > > >Just curious as to why it is such a bad idea. If I am doing > > > something > > > > > > > >incredibly stupid I would like to know. I just saw this as an > > > >easier > > > > > > > >way to share files real time remotely than setting up a VPN. I > > > >have > > > > > > > >people all the time who have something like Quickbooks at > > > work and want > > > > > > > >to be able to edit this at home as well. Problem is they do not > > > >have > > > > > > > >access to the .qbk file from home. I thought something like > > > this would > > > > > > > >be an easy fix to store the .qbk on a linux server and > > > export the share > > > > > > > >via nfs to the ip of the 2 clients that needed access to it. > > > >Problem > > > > > > > >solved. But maybe this is insane, I don't know enough yet > > > to know the > > > > > > > >difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'll check out the MS link in the meantime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Insane is the wrong word, but MS has never been very good > at working > > > with other OS's. I think that you should try the package > > > samba. This > > > package makes it look to all computers of the network that > > > the computer > > > is an NT server. If you enable SWAT is /etc/xinetd.d/swat > > > you shouldn't > > > have too much trouble with it. > > > > > > > From dalen at czexan.net Wed May 26 17:13:37 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:13:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <001b01c44342$f92d61e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c44342$f92d61e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40B4D041.6010809@czexan.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I think I get everyones point here. I will check out WinSCP or just > bite the bullet and learn how to set up a VPN. I have a lot of > customers asking for VPN setups but have dodged it. > > Thanks for all the input and keeping me part of the sane world. You might want to consider using SME server (see contribs.org) as it has VPN functionality built in as well as many other features and a simple web admin interface. From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed May 26 17:41:59 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:41:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] AVG through a Squid Proxy In-Reply-To: <1085406395.8327.148.camel@penguin> Message-ID: I have a Novell Border Manager proxy and AVG will update just fine through it, but not Squid. If you figure it out please let me know you did, please!!!! Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Josiah Ritchie Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 8:47 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] AVG through a Squid Proxy I'm having similar issues and contacted them about it. They said the updates are just done on port 80 (which is, of course, open). One place I have a transparent squid proxy and it works fine. The other is a network device based on squid that blocks it and I'm not sure what I need to change. JSR/ On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 23:49, Rick O'Dell wrote: > I can not get AVG to update using my squid proxy, no special settings, its > just kinda outta-the-box, anyone else having this problem or is it just > me....... > > Rick O'Dell > Net Work Administrator > Bakersfield R4 School Dst. > Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.2 - Release Date: 5/18/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.4 - Release Date: 5/22/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.5 - Release Date: 5/26/2004 From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Wed May 26 17:57:49 2004 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (pnelson) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:57:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] lpinfo -v network smb Message-ID: <1085594269.30039.3.camel@Archie> I have one printer on a Windows machine that we've been accessing via cups for most of the year. Today it's gone. I'm not sure how it deleted itself from the cups printers.conf file. It's there in the backup versions I have. Running lpinfo -v on this server does NOT show "network smb" in the list. On the other server with cups working to this printer it does. I think this is part of the problem but I've never dealt with this before. Clues? Signed in the dark... ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale High...........9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 (503)892-0722......fax(503)892-0723.... http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us From les at futuresource.com Wed May 26 18:04:57 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:04:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <001a01c44342$bc0df3b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001a01c44342$bc0df3b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1085594697.27692.24.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 11:58, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > How would I go about telling my Windows box how to find a Samba mount > over the internet from my linux server. I would definitely be more > interested in this, I just didn't think it was possible. It depends on which version of windows and which patchlevel. The easiest to try is to map \\ip_number\share or \\full.domain.name\share. If the server is in the same DNS domain as the client you can use \\server\share without adding the domain. If it isn't and the forms above don't won't work you can go to tcp properties, DNS and add the server's domain to the search list. Then using the server name only should work (assuming it is in public DNS or is resolved by the client's DNS server). I don't have any idea which windows versions require which form, but I know they don't all work everywhere and if you have anything earlier than Win98SE you'll have to fight with it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From julius at turtle.com Wed May 26 18:07:06 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <001a01c44342$bc0df3b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <1085590391.26051.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <001a01c44342$bc0df3b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <3246.216.216.171.235.1085594826.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > How would I go about telling my Windows box how to find a Samba mount > over the internet from my linux server. I would definitely be more > interested in this, I just didn't think it was possible. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell >> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:53 AM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows >> >> >> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 11:42, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> > As far as I know Samba will only work on the local LAN not over the >> > internet. I need off-site access to these types of files. I know >> > that AFP offers AFP over TCP but that doesn't help me with Windows. >> >> Samba works over TCP and thus over the internet if you let it >> through your firewalls. There are some quirks with netbios >> name resolution that you can fix with a WINS server or by >> putting the server name in DNS (that the client can see). >> > Jim, you need to set up VPN, make sure that routing is going correctly and then just map the drives by address or by name entered in lmhosts or by wins. In all this the VPN is crucial - access to files from the 'net is not as much insane as it is suicidal. Since you obviously run K12, just apt-get cipe and use that for an aeasy to set VPN. julius p.s. HP-UX has NFS 3.0 that actually runs over TCP, not UDP. it is not any more robust or secure for it. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed May 26 18:27:20 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:27:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <001301c44340$6911d200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Samba works fine over the internet if the ports are allowed. I use that here for direct connections between our Administration office and school campuses. DS On Wed, 26 May 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > As far as I know Samba will only work on the local LAN not over the > internet. I need off-site access to these types of files. I know that > AFP offers AFP over TCP but that doesn't help me with Windows. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Mohr > > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:30 AM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows > > > > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > >Just curious as to why it is such a bad idea. If I am doing > > something > > > > > >incredibly stupid I would like to know. I just saw this as an easier > > > > > >way to share files real time remotely than setting up a VPN. I have > > > > > >people all the time who have something like Quickbooks at > > work and want > > > > > >to be able to edit this at home as well. Problem is they do not have > > > > > >access to the .qbk file from home. I thought something like > > this would > > > > > >be an easy fix to store the .qbk on a linux server and > > export the share > > > > > >via nfs to the ip of the 2 clients that needed access to it. Problem > > > > > >solved. But maybe this is insane, I don't know enough yet > > to know the > > > > > >difference. > > > > > > > > > > > >I'll check out the MS link in the meantime. > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Insane is the wrong word, but MS has never been very good at working > > with other OS's. I think that you should try the package > > samba. This > > package makes it look to all computers of the network that > > the computer > > is an NT server. If you enable SWAT is /etc/xinetd.d/swat > > you shouldn't > > have too much trouble with it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 26 18:33:22 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:33:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Universal Boot Floppy and Hard Drive Message-ID: <40B4E2F2.8020802@inlandlakes.org> Ok, two of the coolest LTSP tricks are: Booting from HardDrive/Etherboot http://www.peak.org/~mountainman/misc/LTSP-boot.html and Universal Boot Floppy http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&release_id=190646 I am trying to combine the two, and don't know where to begin... The image provided in the Univeral Floppy is a .dsk image, not a .zlilo image, which is the type required for the Hardrive Etherboot... Is it possible to convert the files? A universally booting harddrive image that I could image with G4U (http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/) would be just awesome. Can anyone help me put the last few pieces together? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Wed May 26 18:53:50 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:53:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <3246.216.216.171.235.1085594826.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> References: <1085590391.26051.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <001a01c44342$bc0df3b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <3246.216.216.171.235.1085594826.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> Message-ID: <1085597630.30912.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 13:07, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > you need to set up VPN, make sure that routing is going correctly and > then just map the drives by address or by name entered in lmhosts or by > wins. In all this the VPN is crucial - access to files from the 'net is > not as much insane as it is suicidal. Since you obviously run K12, just > apt-get cipe and use that for an aeasy to set VPN. julius CIPE is less handy when you only have windows on the other end. It also seems to be near end-of-life as it is not included in fedora FC2 (IPsec is included instead). SMEserver includes a patched poptop (PPTP server) that is nice for remote windows access. They also make it easy by having their template system build a /etc/chap-secrets file with all the users and pointers to the /etc/smbpasswd file for the passwords in a form that work with ms-chap. Has anyone tried to duplicate this concept on k12ltsp or stock RH9/fedora? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed May 26 19:12:17 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:12:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and Edirectory Message-ID: <3151.170.211.161.253.1085598737.squirrel@170.211.161.253> Does anyone have samba 3 auth'ing to Novell Edirectory? -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed May 26 19:25:46 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:25:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Lock down Mozilla Proxy Settings Message-ID: Well, it finally happened. My students finally figured out that they could provide another proxy address and by-pass my IPCop transparent proxy... I know there are write-ups out there about modifying the Mozilla settings, but is there a really quick and dirty way of doing this? In windows I used to set the intctrl.something file to no access and it stopped the Tools menu from access. Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From julius at turtle.com Wed May 26 19:50:46 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <1085597630.30912.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 May 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 13:07, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > you need to set up VPN, make sure that routing is going correctly and > > then just map the drives by address or by name entered in lmhosts or by > > wins. In all this the VPN is crucial - access to files from the 'net is > > not as much insane as it is suicidal. Since you obviously run K12, just > > apt-get cipe and use that for an aeasy to set VPN. julius > > CIPE is less handy when you only have windows on the other end. It > also seems to be near end-of-life as it is not included in fedora FC2 > (IPsec is included instead). > > SMEserver includes a patched poptop (PPTP server) that is nice for > remote windows access. They also make it easy by having their > template system build a /etc/chap-secrets file with all the users > and pointers to the /etc/smbpasswd file for the passwords in a > form that work with ms-chap. Has anyone tried to duplicate this > concept on k12ltsp or stock RH9/fedora? > Les, CIPE demise is very bad news indeed. IPsec is fine and dandy if you have routable addresses, when you have the cable provider insist on giving you a natted address, you can use CIPE for vpn, but not IPsec. Maybe the new IPsec behaves differently from the current one ... julius From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed May 26 20:15:36 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:15:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Lock down Mozilla Proxy Settings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My first impression would be to configure the firewall so that the proxy can talk out, but not the users. Then they can configure the proxy settings to anything they want, but they will very quickly come back to your proxy - as it is the only way out the door. IPTABLES can filter packets based on UID ... thus proxy can get out, but the user cannot. ... :-) I battled with this concept at my last school, and that is the solution we came up with. I guess a person could do transparent proxy but that also has its disadvantages. hope this was helpful joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 1:26 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Lock down Mozilla Proxy Settings Well, it finally happened. My students finally figured out that they could provide another proxy address and by-pass my IPCop transparent proxy... I know there are write-ups out there about modifying the Mozilla settings, but is there a really quick and dirty way of doing this? In windows I used to set the intctrl.something file to no access and it stopped the Tools menu from access. Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Wed May 26 20:16:56 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:16:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1085602616.30912.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 14:50, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Les, > CIPE demise is very bad news indeed. IPsec is fine and dandy if > you have routable addresses, when you have the cable provider insist on > giving you a natted address, you can use CIPE for vpn, but not IPsec. > Maybe the new IPsec behaves differently from the current one ... OpenVPN is probably a reasonable substitute these days and is supposed to interoperate between Linux and Windows, but I'm not sure if it is packaged for rpm/apt/yum updates. The new IPsec is also supposed to have a standard for UDP tunneling but I haven't investigated that much yet either. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed May 26 20:42:30 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:42:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Lock down Mozilla Proxy Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40B50136.8020004@criticalcontrol.com> *Q:. * How can I set default proxy settings for Mozilla? *A:. * Edit /usr/lib/mozilla-1.2.1/defaults/pref/all.js, and set: pref("network.proxy.type", 1); pref("network.proxy.http", "192.168.102.5"); pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); *Q:. * How can I lock down Mozilla settings? *A:. * This example shows you how to lock the setting for the printer command. 1. Create /usr/lib/mozilla-1.2.1/mozilla.cfg.txt, with this content: /* empty line */ lockPref("print.printer_PostScript/default.print_command", "qtcups"); lockPref("print.postscript.print_command", "qtcups"); lockPref("print.print_command", "qtcups"); 2. Download http://alain.knaff.lu/howto/MozillaCustomization/moz-byteshift.pl. 3. Run: $ *moz-byteshift.pl -s 13 < mozilla.cfg.txt > mozilla.cfg* 4. Add to /usr/lib/mozilla-1.2.1/defaults/pref/all.js: pref("general.config.filename", "mozilla.cfg"); From samps at redjocks.com Wed May 26 21:12:13 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:42:13 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Lock down Mozilla Proxy Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40B5082D.2010505@redjocks.com> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Well, it finally happened. My students finally figured out that they > could provide another proxy address and by-pass my IPCop transparent > proxy... > > I know there are write-ups out there about modifying the Mozilla > settings, but is there a really quick and dirty way of doing this? Yes, by the use of user.js files, read more about it at: http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html#prefs cheers Samps From julius at turtle.com Wed May 26 23:43:17 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows In-Reply-To: <1085602616.30912.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1085602616.30912.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <3334.192.168.1.247.1085614997.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 14:50, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> Les, >> CIPE demise is very bad news indeed. IPsec is fine and dandy if >> you have routable addresses, when you have the cable provider insist on >> giving you a natted address, you can use CIPE for vpn, but not IPsec. >> Maybe the new IPsec behaves differently from the current one ... > > OpenVPN is probably a reasonable substitute these days and is supposed > to interoperate between Linux and Windows, but I'm not sure if it > is packaged for rpm/apt/yum updates. > > The new IPsec is also supposed to have a standard for UDP > tunneling but I haven't investigated that much yet either. Les, the problem for me is the documentation - on one hand i am being assure that the encryption is going to be handled at a very low lwvel, so that it will become "ubiquitous and effortless", on the other hand i don't see how the heck IPsec is supposed to travel through natted networks, since the real change is to come with ipv6 and even there i seem to be missing the magic component. the worst part is that cipe works for me everywhere and ipsec only in places where i have a routable address. to make it even worse, cipe is idiotically easy to set up after you pointed out to me the existence of the gui front end ;-) julius From holmes at worcestercoop.org Thu May 27 00:46:19 2004 From: holmes at worcestercoop.org (Holmes Wilson) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 20:46:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better Message-ID: <44C62710-AF77-11D8-A475-0003938B5962@worcestercoop.org> More on the live CD thin-client-maker: ### Could you please elaborate? Normally you just put in a network card and switch on. On live terminal servers, Knoppix has one built in that works very nicely. LTSP is also widely used in non-school environments, and it's starting to get very popular over here in South Africa. We get lots of computers fromthe UK with stickers on that says "good for africa". It turns out they are good for LTSP too :) -Jonathan ### Jonathan, what I had in mind was Stephen's idea, from a previous post: No, what we really need is a diagnostics CD (ala KNOPIX) that will boot the terminal as a semi-fat client, connect to the LTSP server, output all of the correct config options for that terminal's lts.conf entry (maybe even auto add the entry in lts.conf?) a link to the proper rom-o-matic image and maybe a nice script to create a boot floppy/HD boot image from the ROM image. When using donated hardware it's not practical to get netboot chips for all the different network cards. So the easiest thing to do is just to make boot floppies, which have to correspond to specific network cards. Then you have to make some corresponding edits to files on the server. ### Hi, There is already a live-cd which turns donated hardware into a thin client, the PXES Linux thin client. http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ I've tried it out, works a treat! Just download the iso and burn it to CD. ________________ Tony Hadfield ### Tony, I checked out pxes.sf.net and I couldn't completely figure out what it did, and what it didn't do. Is the functionality exactly the same as that described above, except with a CD instead of a boot floppy? Does PXES take care of changing the settings on the server to accommodate the new client, or do you have to do that manually? Is it easy enough to install on a k12ltsp server? Holmes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I use that >here for direct connections between our Administration office and school >campuses. > >DS > >On Wed, 26 May 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>As far as I know Samba will only work on the local LAN not over the >>internet. I need off-site access to these types of files. I know that >>AFP offers AFP over TCP but that doesn't help me with Windows. >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Mohr >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:30 AM >>>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NFS Client for Windows >>> >>> >>>Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Just curious as to why it is such a bad idea. If I am doing >>>> >>>> >>>something >>> >>> >>>>incredibly stupid I would like to know. I just saw this as an easier >>>> >>>>way to share files real time remotely than setting up a VPN. I have >>>> >>>>people all the time who have something like Quickbooks at >>>> >>>> >>>work and want >>> >>> >>>>to be able to edit this at home as well. Problem is they do not have >>>> >>>>access to the .qbk file from home. I thought something like >>>> >>>> >>>this would >>> >>> >>>>be an easy fix to store the .qbk on a linux server and >>>> >>>> >>>export the share >>> >>> >>>>via nfs to the ip of the 2 clients that needed access to it. Problem >>>> >>>>solved. But maybe this is insane, I don't know enough yet >>>> >>>> >>>to know the >>> >>> >>>>difference. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I'll check out the MS link in the meantime. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Insane is the wrong word, but MS has never been very good at working >>>with other OS's. I think that you should try the package >>>samba. This >>>package makes it look to all computers of the network that >>>the computer >>>is an NT server. If you enable SWAT is /etc/xinetd.d/swat >>>you shouldn't >>>have too much trouble with it. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu May 27 11:37:31 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 07:37:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] on task Message-ID: <40B5D2FB.3070105@msln.net> Is there a program or a way to display what all the terminals are doing like Apple Remote Desktop? I used the top command and thought that it would be nice to have something that would create a real time list of what the kids are doing. (on task). I know there is vnc, but didn't know if there was an open source that would create a list like that and I'm programing in-ept. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu May 27 12:32:49 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:32:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] on task In-Reply-To: <40B5D2FB.3070105@msln.net> References: <40B5D2FB.3070105@msln.net> Message-ID: Welcome to the list Mark! Actually not entirely what you're looking for, but TeacherTool will do that. I believe TeacherTool is now included with the K12LTSP distro. Look for it on the disc....I believe it's on disc 4 What you can do...using a GUI....is select a student or several students and see a list of their running processes. You can also kill the process...launch a process....or log the student off. Very cool. If you want to integrate VNC so you can demo your screen to other machines....aka the whole lab.....red on.... You can find a how-to and so forth here http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/vncreflector-how-to.html Let me know if the link doesn't work. You can also download the files here http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/files "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Is there a program or a way to display what all the terminals are doing >like Apple Remote Desktop? >I used the top command and thought that it would be nice to have >something that would create a real time list of what the kids are doing. >(on task). I know there is vnc, but didn't know if there was an open >source that would create a list like that and I'm programing in-ept. >Mark David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu May 27 12:34:13 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:34:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <44C62710-AF77-11D8-A475-0003938B5962@worcestercoop.org> References: <44C62710-AF77-11D8-A475-0003938B5962@worcestercoop.org> Message-ID: Very cool idea...I'm with you "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Jonathan, what I had in mind was Stephen's idea, from a previous post: > >No, what we really need is a diagnostics CD (ala KNOPIX) that will boot >the >terminal as a semi-fat client, connect to the LTSP server, output all >of the >correct config options for that terminal's lts.conf entry (maybe even >auto >add the entry in lts.conf?) a link to the proper rom-o-matic image and >maybe >a nice script to create a boot floppy/HD boot image from the ROM image. > >When using donated hardware it's not practical to get netboot chips for >all the different network cards. So the easiest thing to do is just to >make boot floppies, which have to correspond to specific network cards. > Then you have to make some corresponding edits to files on the server. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 27 14:56:16 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:56:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 May 2004, David Trask wrote: > Very cool idea...I'm with you > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >Jonathan, what I had in mind was Stephen's idea, from a previous post: > > > >No, what we really need is a diagnostics CD (ala KNOPIX) that will boot > >the > >terminal as a semi-fat client, connect to the LTSP server, output all > >of the > >correct config options for that terminal's lts.conf entry (maybe even > >auto > >add the entry in lts.conf?) a link to the proper rom-o-matic image and > >maybe > >a nice script to create a boot floppy/HD boot image from the ROM image. > > > >When using donated hardware it's not practical to get netboot chips for > >all the different network cards. So the easiest thing to do is just to > >make boot floppies, which have to correspond to specific network cards. > > Then you have to make some corresponding edits to files on the server. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 Then, mount the floppy drive back into the computer and put the blanker back in and the disks will not be able to be stolen. Works for me! DS From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 27 14:59:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:59:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002801c443fb$28a6d150$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > Then, mount the floppy drive back into the computer and put > the blanker > back in and the disks will not be able to be stolen. Very simple but excellent idea! I think I will take advantage of that. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu May 27 15:06:41 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:06:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <002801c443fb$28a6d150$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002801c443fb$28a6d150$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40B60401.9040703@inlandlakes.org> I guess my "Universal Boot Floppy" thread was similar to this one... so I'll pipe in here too. If I can get the universal network card etherboot image thing to work from the hard drive, and use g4u to image it quickly over the network -- I'll be happy to have the floppy available for use on the remote terminals. That said, I HATE floppy drives, but even just for proof of concept it'll be nice to get going. I haven't had time yet to do more research on converting the .dsk file into a .zlilo file... More later if I figure it out. I'll happily post the g4u image file for everyone to use once I get it working. It should be very painless to clone fast. -Shawn Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Then, mount the floppy drive back into the computer and put >>the blanker >>back in and the disks will not be able to be stolen. > > > Very simple but excellent idea! I think I will take advantage of that. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jfaletra at sau16.org Thu May 27 16:20:19 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:20:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profile directory Message-ID: Does anyone know how I can get SAMBA to store roaming profiles in /opt/samba/profiles? By default it saves in /home/USER_NAME/profile Thanks! Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From jneiffer at neiffer.com Thu May 27 16:52:18 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:52:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] on task In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200405271652.i4RGqqi5024713@mx1.redhat.com> Hi there, TeacherTool sounds really cool. I installed it using apt-get but I can't seem to find it in a directory to start it or in a menu. How do I start it? Thanks, Jason -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:33 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] on task Welcome to the list Mark! Actually not entirely what you're looking for, but TeacherTool will do that. I believe TeacherTool is now included with the K12LTSP distro. Look for it on the disc....I believe it's on disc 4 What you can do...using a GUI....is select a student or several students and see a list of their running processes. You can also kill the process...launch a process....or log the student off. Very cool. If you want to integrate VNC so you can demo your screen to other machines....aka the whole lab.....red on.... You can find a how-to and so forth here http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/vncreflector-how-to.html Let me know if the link doesn't work. You can also download the files here http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/files "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Is there a program or a way to display what all the terminals are doing >like Apple Remote Desktop? >I used the top command and thought that it would be nice to have >something that would create a real time list of what the kids are doing. >(on task). I know there is vnc, but didn't know if there was an open >source that would create a list like that and I'm programing in-ept. >Mark David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu May 27 17:12:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:12:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making donations work better In-Reply-To: <40B60401.9040703@inlandlakes.org> References: <002801c443fb$28a6d150$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40B60401.9040703@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1085677941.17987.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 10:06, Shawn Powers wrote: > If I can get the universal network card etherboot image thing to work > from the hard drive, and use g4u to image it quickly over the network -- > I'll be happy to have the floppy available for use on the remote terminals. Has anyone tried the network boot ability of grub? You could put that on a floppy, cd or hd (maybe even pxe boot a copy...) and it could allow multiple boot choices with a timeout and default. I thought I saw an iso image once but the first likely-looking match in google today is this grub floppy-builder site: http://i30www.ira.uka.de/~ud3/mkgrubdisk/ I'd like to have something that would give the client a boot-time choice of running rdesktop-only, thin Linux, fat(knoppix-like) Linux, or starting a network install with everything that changes kept on the server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu May 27 17:34:05 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:34:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profile directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40B6268D.5000401@gwi.net> Joe Faletra wrote: >Does anyone know how I can get SAMBA to store roaming profiles in >/opt/samba/profiles? By default it saves in /home/USER_NAME/profile > What kind of client OS? It may or may not be possible to configure, depending on whether clients are win9x or not. Check out "logon home" and "logon path" directives in man smb.conf -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From I.Derks at translucent.nl Thu May 27 18:29:44 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:29:44 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh key generation In-Reply-To: <1085585054.18793.29.camel@phoenix> References: <20040526150219.39BB774369@hormel.redhat.com> <1085585054.18793.29.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: <1085682584.5381.51.camel@node-c-7483.a2000.nl> Op wo 26-05-2004, om 17:24 schreef Henry Burroughs: > According to the ssh_config manual, there should/can be a > /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts file in which you can can place the destination > host public key. You could copy a clean .ssh/known_hosts file or you > could use something like "ssh-keyscan", which is designed to scan many > hosts and retrieve the public keys (aka generate your ssh_known_hosts > file). Thanks a lot for the pointer, we'll make a wiki out of it when we get things working. Immanuel From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 27 19:37:26 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:37:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Test bug fix: verynice & games Message-ID: <1085686646.2491.182.camel@server.ltsp> One of my schools noticed a design flaw in verynice that causes it to ignore programs that are sgid (set group id). It is standard practice for games to have the sgid bit set, to facilitate system-wide "top scores" and such. Of course games have the tendency to be resource hogs, exactly the type of thing that verynice is supposed to mitigate. Gnuchess, in particular, can quickly drag a fast server to its knees. I wrote a patch that allows verynice to manage applications with the sgid bit set. This is a pretty simple change, but since it could potentially cause serious problems I would like people to test it for quite a while before I merge it into K12LTSP: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/verynice-1.1-1.k12ltsp.1.4.0.i386.rpm This was compiled on a Red Hat 9 server, so it should run on K12LTSP 3.1 and later. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu May 27 20:33:46 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:33:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] on task In-Reply-To: <200405271652.i4RGqqi5024713@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200405271652.i4RGqqi5024713@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40B650AA.7070809@netscape.net> Hi, As root type at the command prompt TeacherTool <- make sure that it starts with a capital nprbert jneiffer at neiffer.com wrote: >Hi there, > >TeacherTool sounds really cool. I installed it using apt-get but I can't >seem to find it in a directory to start it or in a menu. How do I start it? > >Thanks, >Jason > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of David Trask >Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:33 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] on task > >Welcome to the list Mark! Actually not entirely what you're looking for, >but TeacherTool will do that. I believe TeacherTool is now included with >the K12LTSP distro. > >Look for it on the disc....I believe it's on disc 4 > >What you can do...using a GUI....is select a student or several students >and see a list of their running processes. You can also kill the >process...launch a process....or log the student off. Very cool. > >If you want to integrate VNC so you can demo your screen to other >machines....aka the whole lab.....red on.... > >You can find a how-to and so forth here >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/vncreflector-how-to.html > Let me know if the link doesn't work. > >You can also download the files here >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/files > > > > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: > > >>Is there a program or a way to display what all the terminals are doing >>like Apple Remote Desktop? >>I used the top command and thought that it would be nice to have >>something that would create a real time list of what the kids are doing. >>(on task). I know there is vnc, but didn't know if there was an open >>source that would create a list like that and I'm programing in-ept. >>Mark >> >> > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Thu May 27 22:19:01 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:19:01 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profile directory Message-ID: "Joe Faletra" wrote: >> Does anyone know how I can get SAMBA to store roaming profiles in /opt/samba/profiles? By default it saves in /home/USER_NAME/profile << Bzzt!! Not in /opt/samba/profiles, please! Go read the Linux Filesystem Hierarchy Standard at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ , and you'll see that /opt is for major 3rd-party applications. Profiles should really go under /var somewhere, e.g. /var/samba/profiles . By sticking with the Standard, you'll find life easier when it comes to backups, etc. In addition, the different versions of Windows store profiles in different places. For NT, 2K and XP use the "logon path" setting in smb.conf. This is usually a separate location from the user's home directory.For Win 95, 98 and ME, use the "logon home" setting in smb.conf. This is usually set to logon home = \\%N\%U\profile (or .profile) which puts the profile in the user's home directory. This information is correct for Samba 3.04. For Samba 2.x, check the definitions of these config options in "man 5 smb.conf". Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From robark at telus.net Fri May 28 00:05:22 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:05:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Watchteacher In-Reply-To: References: <200405252230.41202.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <200405271705.22051.robark@telus.net> On Wednesday 26 May 2004 5:46 am, David Trask wrote: > robark at telus.net writes: > >Personally I think this would be a super idea to ship built-in as part of > >k12ltsp. > > > >this is an older method > >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/vncreflector-how-to.html > > It's not old....I wrote it this past fall. It's based on the other > one....just simplified and Eric rewrote a couple lines in the GUI part to > get it to ID the workstations correctly. It works....I'm using it. > Okay I tried it. But when I try to run vncviewer localhost:99 and type in the full control password I get "VNC Authentication Failed" Any ideas? I would really like to get this working. BTW I am using 3.1.2 and I noticed you posted a message saying you were having problems with vnc-reflector working with it. Robert Arkiletian From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri May 28 01:03:10 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:03:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mount client CD-ROM Message-ID: I know it is possible to mount the client floppy and use Mtools to access the drive. Is it also possible to mount the client CD and read files that a student brings in on a CD? How? many thanks Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri May 28 01:39:05 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:39:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Watchteacher In-Reply-To: <200405271705.22051.robark@telus.net> References: <200405252230.41202.robark@telus.net> <200405271705.22051.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <40B69839.8070301@netscape.net> Hi, I beleive the syntax should be vncviewer localhost:99 -via xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx then you'll be presented with a login window & you can enter the username & password norbert robark at telus.net wrote: >On Wednesday 26 May 2004 5:46 am, David Trask wrote: > > >>robark at telus.net writes: >> >> >>>Personally I think this would be a super idea to ship built-in as part of >>>k12ltsp. >>> >>>this is an older method >>>http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/vncreflector-how-to.html >>> >>> >>It's not old....I wrote it this past fall. It's based on the other >>one....just simplified and Eric rewrote a couple lines in the GUI part to >>get it to ID the workstations correctly. It works....I'm using it. >> >> >> >Okay I tried it. But when I try to run > >vncviewer localhost:99 > >and type in the full control password I get > >"VNC Authentication Failed" > >Any ideas? I would really like to get this working. BTW I am using 3.1.2 and I >noticed you posted a message saying you were having problems with >vnc-reflector working with it. > >Robert Arkiletian > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfaletra at sau16.org Fri May 28 01:48:52 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:48:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profile directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, I have >logon home = \\%N\%U\profile in my smb.conf but the profiles are saving to the users home directory. If I want all of the profiles saved in /var/samba/profiles/USERNAME what would I do? Joe "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: > >"Joe Faletra" wrote: > >>> >Does anyone know how I can get SAMBA to store roaming profiles in >/opt/samba/profiles? By default it saves in /home/USER_NAME/profile ><< > >Bzzt!! Not in /opt/samba/profiles, please! Go read the Linux Filesystem >Hierarchy Standard at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ , and you'll see >that >/opt is for major 3rd-party applications. Profiles should really go >under >/var somewhere, e.g. /var/samba/profiles . By sticking with the >Standard, >you'll find life easier when it comes to backups, etc. > >In addition, the different versions of Windows store profiles in >different >places. For NT, 2K and XP use the "logon path" setting in smb.conf. >This is >usually a separate location from the user's home directory.For Win 95, >98 >and ME, use the "logon home" setting in smb.conf. This is usually set >to > >logon home = \\%N\%U\profile > >(or .profile) which puts the profile in the user's home directory. > >This information is correct for Samba 3.04. For Samba 2.x, check the >definitions of these config options in "man 5 smb.conf". > >Best, > >--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP >[http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri May 28 02:17:38 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:17:38 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profile directory Message-ID: "Joe Faletra" wrote: >> If I want all of the profiles saved in /var/samba/profiles/USERNAME what would I do? << Based on copying'n'pasting from my own, similar, Samba setup: [global] logon path = \\%N\profiles\%u logon drive = H: You'll also need to share /var/samba/profiles as "profiles" to match the logon path above: [profiles] path = /var/samba/profiles read only = No create mask = 0600 directory mask = 0700 That basically should do it. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From robark at telus.net Fri May 28 02:52:59 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:52:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Memory limit per user? Message-ID: <200405271952.59286.robark@telus.net> I know disk quotas for each user can be implemented by having /home on a seperate partition. But is it possible to set a limit for the maximum memory each user can have? This would prevent any one user from exhausting the server ram and causing the class to a crawl as the swap comes into play. Today, someone in my class somehow got gimp to eat 1gig of ram (I saw it with "top") and the whole class really felt the lag as the active swap partition started growing. Also, what if a student writes a program that gets into an infinite loop of allocating dynamic memory. (*it could happen*) Somebody must have thought of this problem before? Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri May 28 03:00:45 2004 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:00:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Memory limit per user? In-Reply-To: <200405271952.59286.robark@telus.net> References: <200405271952.59286.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <40B6AB5D.6070306@fpcc.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I know disk quotas for each user can be implemented by having /home on a > seperate partition. But is it possible to set a limit for the maximum memory > each user can have? > > This would prevent any one user from exhausting the server ram and causing the > class to a crawl as the swap comes into play. Today, someone in my class > somehow got gimp to eat 1gig of ram (I saw it with "top") and the whole class > really felt the lag as the active swap partition started growing. Also, what > if a student writes a program that gets into an infinite loop of allocating > dynamic memory. (*it could happen*) > > Somebody must have thought of this problem before? I don't know about limiting memory per user, but you can limit it by process. Here's ulimit.sh, which I wrote after problems like the one you encountered. #limit CPU time to stop runaway Netscape/Mozilla #limit data size due to runaway artsd (1 gigabyte!) if [ $UID -ge 500 ] then ulimit -t 300 ulimit -d 200000 ulimit -m 300000 ulimit -v 300000 fi If you want to do the same, make your script executable, then put it in the /etc/profile.d directory. If someone knows a better way to do this, my ears are open. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From ddaniels at magic.fr Fri May 28 03:22:16 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:22:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Memory limit per user? In-Reply-To: <40B6AB5D.6070306@fpcc.net> References: <200405271952.59286.robark@telus.net> <40B6AB5D.6070306@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <40B6B068.8090401@magic.fr> I've wikified this conversation: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/limiting%20processes Of course if anyone objects feel free to edit the page. I'm just trying to help make K12ltsp a little easier for the next person :) best Denny Calvin Dodge wrote: > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> I know disk quotas for each user can be implemented by having /home on >> a seperate partition. But is it possible to set a limit for the >> maximum memory each user can have? >> >> This would prevent any one user from exhausting the server ram and >> causing the class to a crawl as the swap comes into play. Today, >> someone in my class somehow got gimp to eat 1gig of ram (I saw it with >> "top") and the whole class really felt the lag as the active swap >> partition started growing. Also, what if a student writes a program >> that gets into an infinite loop of allocating dynamic memory. (*it >> could happen*) >> >> Somebody must have thought of this problem before? > > > I don't know about limiting memory per user, but you can limit it by > process. > > Here's ulimit.sh, which I wrote after problems like the one you > encountered. > > > #limit CPU time to stop runaway Netscape/Mozilla > #limit data size due to runaway artsd (1 gigabyte!) > if [ $UID -ge 500 ] > then > ulimit -t 300 > ulimit -d 200000 > ulimit -m 300000 > ulimit -v 300000 > fi > > > > > > If you want to do the same, make your script executable, then put it in > the /etc/profile.d directory. > > If someone knows a better way to do this, my ears are open. > > Calvin > From patmo98 at yahoo.com Fri May 28 03:34:32 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:34:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Memory limit per user? In-Reply-To: <40B6B068.8090401@magic.fr> References: <200405271952.59286.robark@telus.net> <40B6AB5D.6070306@fpcc.net> <40B6B068.8090401@magic.fr> Message-ID: <40B6B348.1020604@yahoo.com> Dennis Daniels wrote: > I've wikified this conversation: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/limiting%20processes > Of course if anyone objects feel free to edit the page. > I'm just trying to help make K12ltsp a little easier for the next > person :) > > > best > > Denny > The wiki doesn't like your brackets. I have never used a wiki, but the lack of brackets will cause problems with the bash script. From ddaniels at magic.fr Fri May 28 03:42:26 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:42:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Memory limit per user? In-Reply-To: <40B6B348.1020604@yahoo.com> References: <200405271952.59286.robark@telus.net> <40B6AB5D.6070306@fpcc.net> <40B6B068.8090401@magic.fr> <40B6B348.1020604@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40B6B522.4080200@magic.fr> Yeh, I know, the 
 command in phpwiki is weak at best... I'd love to 
get a better wiki app... I prefer tikiwiki myself ... but we work with 
what we've got eh?

best
Denny

Patrick Mohr wrote:
> Dennis Daniels wrote:
> 
>> I've wikified this conversation:
>> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/limiting%20processes
>> Of course if anyone objects feel free to edit the page.
>> I'm just trying to help make K12ltsp a little easier for the next 
>> person :)
>>
>>
>> best
>>
>> Denny
>>
> The wiki doesn't like your brackets.  I have never used a wiki, but the 
> lack of brackets will cause problems with the bash script.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> For more info see 
> 
> 




From pnakashi at k12.hi.us  Fri May 28 07:07:11 2004
From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:07:11 -1000
Subject: [K12OSN] Memory limit per user?
Message-ID: <8f3ad8e7c3.8e7c38f3ad@k12.hi.us>

> Dennis Daniels wrote:
> 
> > I've wikified this conversation:
> > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/limiting%20processes
> > Of course if anyone objects feel free to edit the page.
> > I'm just trying to help make K12ltsp a little easier for the 
> next 
> > person :)

> The wiki doesn't like your brackets.  I have never used a wiki, 
> but the 
> lack of brackets will cause problems with the bash script.

Try the  tags.
They'll take care of preserving the brackets.
--Peter




From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us  Fri May 28 12:43:21 2004
From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:43:21 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP...almost!
Message-ID: 

Ok....the continuing saga of my Samba3/LDAP story.  I have an FC2 server
up and I have Samba 3 and LDAP running to the point where I can join a
machine to the domain...and I can log a user in on the posix side (linux)
using ssh or something like that.  The only thing I can't do is log in
from the Windows side.  I'm using XP Pro....I know the registry stuff is
all OK as they are currently part of my current Samba/LDAP domain based on
Samba 2.27a.  Here are some clues....when I use Directory
Administrator....the Samba section is not checked off (and should be as it
is on my production server)...in other words I create the users on the
command line using a bulk script....and when I go to Directory Admin...the
Samba section has a check and all the correct properties are filled
in.....this is NOT the case on the Samba 3 server I'm working
with....nothing is checked and it's all blank AND when I try to fill the
info in and save...it comes back with an error message about my directory
server not supporting a requir
ed object class.  So....I've also installed and tried using the
idxldapaccounts webmin module from idealx.org.  It installs....appears to
work, but I'm still in the same situation.  No error messages, but I still
can't log in to Windows.  Below is the result of smbldap-usershow for
user7 which is one of the users I'm working with.  I'd appreciate any
assistance in troubleshooting this last piece.  I will document the whole
thing once I have it running.  If you can think of commands or conf files
that I can try to figure this out...I'm all ears.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[user5 at midnight root]$ smbldap-usershow user7
dn: uid=user7,ou=Users,dc=vcs,dc=org
objectClass: top,inetOrgPerson,posixAccount,shadowAccount,sambaSAMAccount
cn: User Seven
sn: user7
uid: user7
uidNumber: 1005
gidNumber: 1000
gecos: User Seven
description: User Seven
sambaLogonTime: 0
sambaLogoffTime: 2147483647
sambaKickoffTime: 2147483647
displayName: User Seven
sambaSID: S-1-5-21-2521606391-218366247-2320172675-3010
sambaPrimaryGroupSID: S-1-5-21-2521606391-218366247-2320172675-3001
sambaLMPassword: 598DDCE2660D3193AAD3B435B51404EE
sambaNTPassword: 2D20D252A479F485CDF5E171D93985BF
sambaPwdLastSet: 1085686345
userPassword: {SSHA}l5B4RhWO5Z5YTsJ1nVpZ5t+yALSOkNKG
sambaHomePath: \\MIDNIGHT-PDC\homes
sambaLogonScript: startup.bat
sambaProfilePath: \\MIDNIGHT-PDC\profiles\user7
sambaHomeDrive: F:
sambaPwdCanChange: 0
sambaAcctFlags: [UX]
sambaPwdMustChange: 2147483647
homeDirectory: /home/user7
loginShell: /bin/bash
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Any ideas?


David N. Trask
Technology Teacher/Coordinator
Vassalboro Community School
dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us
(207)923-3100












From ddaniels at magic.fr  Fri May 28 12:50:02 2004
From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 05:50:02 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Memory limit per user?
In-Reply-To: <8f3ad8e7c3.8e7c38f3ad@k12.hi.us>
References: <8f3ad8e7c3.8e7c38f3ad@k12.hi.us>
Message-ID: <40B7357A.20201@magic.fr>

thanks Peter
verbatim fixed it

http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/limiting%20processes

dgd
> Try the  tags.
> They'll take care of preserving the brackets.
> --Peter




From samps at redjocks.com  Fri May 28 12:53:05 2004
From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:23:05 +0930
Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP...almost!
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <40B73631.9080800@redjocks.com>

David Trask wrote:

> Ok....the continuing saga of my Samba3/LDAP story.  I have an FC2 server
> up and I have Samba 3 and LDAP running to the point where I can join a
> machine to the domain...and I can log a user in on the posix side (linux)
> using ssh or something like that.  The only thing I can't do is log in
> from the Windows side.  I'm using XP Pro....I know the registry stuff is


Can you log in from a Windows2000 or something else !XP?

There are a couple of 'registry-shots' that have to be done in order for 
XP to connect as a client to a Samba DC, have you done those?

 From an earlier posting from Les Mikesell:
http://www.ccs.uky.edu/docs/samba.htm

cheers
Samps




From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us  Fri May 28 13:02:44 2004
From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:02:44 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Samba/LDAP...almost!
In-Reply-To: <1085748700.40b735dc2ad6b@webmail.gouldacademy.org>
References: 
	<1085748700.40b735dc2ad6b@webmail.gouldacademy.org>
Message-ID: 

Ok...here's the directory listing of the /etc/openldap/schema directory (I
included ownership and perms as well)


[root at midnight schema]# ls -l
total 312
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  7531 Apr 14 14:58 corba.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  7531 Apr 14 14:58 corba.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 17290 Apr 14 14:58 core.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 17290 Apr 14 14:58 core.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 73498 Apr 14 14:58 cosine.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 73498 Apr 14 14:58 cosine.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  5826 Apr 14 14:58 inetorgperson.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  5826 Apr 14 14:58 inetorgperson.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 13438 Apr 14 14:58 java.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 13438 Apr 14 14:58 java.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1701 Apr 14 14:58 misc.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1701 Apr 14 14:58 misc.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  7196 Apr 14 14:58 nis.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  7196 Apr 14 14:58 nis.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1116 Apr 14 14:58 openldap.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1116 Apr 14 14:58 openldap.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  2736 Apr 14 14:58 README
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 May 27 12:55 redhat
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 12502 May 27 13:52 samba.schema

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Below is my /etc/openldap/slapd.conf
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

# $OpenLDAP: pkg/ldap/servers/slapd/slapd.conf,v 1.23.2.8 2003/05/24
23:19:14 ku
rt Exp $
#
# See slapd.conf(5) for details on configuration options.
# This file should NOT be world readable.
#
include         /etc/openldap/schema/core.schema
include         /etc/openldap/schema/cosine.schema
include         /etc/openldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema
include         /etc/openldap/schema/nis.schema
include         /etc/openldap/schema/redhat/autofs.schema
include         /etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema

# Allow LDAPv2 client connections.  This is NOT the default.
allow bind_v2

# Do not enable referrals until AFTER you have a working directory
# service AND an understanding of referrals.
#referral       ldap://root.openldap.org

pidfile /var/run/slapd.pid
#argsfile       //var/run/slapd.args

# Load dynamic backend modules:
# modulepath    /usr/sbin/openldap
# moduleload    back_bdb.la
# moduleload    back_ldap.la
# moduleload    back_ldbm.la
# moduleload    back_passwd.la
# moduleload    back_shell.la

# The next three lines allow use of TLS for connections using a dummy test
# certificate, but you should generate a proper certificate by changing to
# /usr/share/ssl/certs, running "make slapd.pem", and fixing permissions on
# slapd.pem so that the ldap user or group can read it.
# TLSCACertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt
# TLSCertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem
# TLSCertificateKeyFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem

# Sample security restrictions
#       Require integrity protection (prevent hijacking)
#       Require 112-bit (3DES or better) encryption for updates
#       Require 63-bit encryption for simple bind
# security ssf=1 update_ssf=112 simple_bind=64

# Sample access control policy:
#       Root DSE: allow anyone to read it
#       Subschema (sub)entry DSE: allow anyone to read it
#       Other DSEs:
#               Allow self write access
#               Allow authenticated users read access
#               Allow anonymous users to authenticate
#       Directives needed to implement policy:
# access to dn.base="" by * read
# access to dn.base="cn=Subschema" by * read
# access to *
#       by self write
#       by users read
#       by anonymous auth
#
# if no access controls are present, the default policy is:
#       Allow read by all
#
# rootdn can always write!

#######################################################################
# ldbm and/or bdb database definitions
#######################################################################

database        ldbm
suffix          "dc=vcs,dc=org"
rootdn          "cn=Manager,dc=vcs,dc=org"
# Cleartext passwords, especially for the rootdn, should
# be avoided.  See slappasswd(8) and slapd.conf(5) for details.
# Use of strong authentication encouraged.
rootpw          kismet
# rootpw                {crypt}ijFYNcSNctBYg

# The database directory MUST exist prior to running slapd AND
# should only be accessible by the slapd and slap tools.
# Mode 700 recommended.
directory       /var/lib/ldap

# Indices to maintain for this database
index objectClass                       eq,pres
index ou,cn,mail,surname,givenname      eq,pres,sub
index uidNumber,gidNumber,loginShell    eq,pres
index uid,memberUid                     eq,pres,sub
index nisMapName,nisMapEntry            eq,pres,sub

# Replicas of this database
#replogfile /var/lib/ldap/openldap-master-replog
#replica host=ldap-1.example.com:389 tls=yes
#     bindmethod=sasl saslmech=GSSAPI
#     authcId=host/ldap-master.example.com at EXAMPLE.COM




See anything amiss?  Next idea to try?

David N. Trask
Technology Teacher/Coordinator
Vassalboro Community School
dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us
(207)923-3100




From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us  Fri May 28 13:02:44 2004
From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:02:44 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Samba/LDAP...almost!
In-Reply-To: <1085748700.40b735dc2ad6b@webmail.gouldacademy.org>
References: 
	<1085748700.40b735dc2ad6b@webmail.gouldacademy.org>
Message-ID: 

Ok...here's the directory listing of the /etc/openldap/schema directory (I
included ownership and perms as well)


[root at midnight schema]# ls -l
total 312
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  7531 Apr 14 14:58 corba.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  7531 Apr 14 14:58 corba.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 17290 Apr 14 14:58 core.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 17290 Apr 14 14:58 core.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 73498 Apr 14 14:58 cosine.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 73498 Apr 14 14:58 cosine.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  5826 Apr 14 14:58 inetorgperson.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  5826 Apr 14 14:58 inetorgperson.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 13438 Apr 14 14:58 java.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 13438 Apr 14 14:58 java.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1701 Apr 14 14:58 misc.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1701 Apr 14 14:58 misc.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  7196 Apr 14 14:58 nis.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  7196 Apr 14 14:58 nis.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1116 Apr 14 14:58 openldap.schema
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1116 Apr 14 14:58 openldap.schema.default
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  2736 Apr 14 14:58 README
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 May 27 12:55 redhat
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 12502 May 27 13:52 samba.schema

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Below is my /etc/openldap/slapd.conf
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

# $OpenLDAP: pkg/ldap/servers/slapd/slapd.conf,v 1.23.2.8 2003/05/24
23:19:14 ku
rt Exp $
#
# See slapd.conf(5) for details on configuration options.
# This file should NOT be world readable.
#
include         /etc/openldap/schema/core.schema
include         /etc/openldap/schema/cosine.schema
include         /etc/openldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema
include         /etc/openldap/schema/nis.schema
include         /etc/openldap/schema/redhat/autofs.schema
include         /etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema

# Allow LDAPv2 client connections.  This is NOT the default.
allow bind_v2

# Do not enable referrals until AFTER you have a working directory
# service AND an understanding of referrals.
#referral       ldap://root.openldap.org

pidfile /var/run/slapd.pid
#argsfile       //var/run/slapd.args

# Load dynamic backend modules:
# modulepath    /usr/sbin/openldap
# moduleload    back_bdb.la
# moduleload    back_ldap.la
# moduleload    back_ldbm.la
# moduleload    back_passwd.la
# moduleload    back_shell.la

# The next three lines allow use of TLS for connections using a dummy test
# certificate, but you should generate a proper certificate by changing to
# /usr/share/ssl/certs, running "make slapd.pem", and fixing permissions on
# slapd.pem so that the ldap user or group can read it.
# TLSCACertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt
# TLSCertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem
# TLSCertificateKeyFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem

# Sample security restrictions
#       Require integrity protection (prevent hijacking)
#       Require 112-bit (3DES or better) encryption for updates
#       Require 63-bit encryption for simple bind
# security ssf=1 update_ssf=112 simple_bind=64

# Sample access control policy:
#       Root DSE: allow anyone to read it
#       Subschema (sub)entry DSE: allow anyone to read it
#       Other DSEs:
#               Allow self write access
#               Allow authenticated users read access
#               Allow anonymous users to authenticate
#       Directives needed to implement policy:
# access to dn.base="" by * read
# access to dn.base="cn=Subschema" by * read
# access to *
#       by self write
#       by users read
#       by anonymous auth
#
# if no access controls are present, the default policy is:
#       Allow read by all
#
# rootdn can always write!

#######################################################################
# ldbm and/or bdb database definitions
#######################################################################

database        ldbm
suffix          "dc=vcs,dc=org"
rootdn          "cn=Manager,dc=vcs,dc=org"
# Cleartext passwords, especially for the rootdn, should
# be avoided.  See slappasswd(8) and slapd.conf(5) for details.
# Use of strong authentication encouraged.
rootpw         secret
# rootpw                {crypt}ijFYNcSNctBYg

# The database directory MUST exist prior to running slapd AND
# should only be accessible by the slapd and slap tools.
# Mode 700 recommended.
directory       /var/lib/ldap

# Indices to maintain for this database
index objectClass                       eq,pres
index ou,cn,mail,surname,givenname      eq,pres,sub
index uidNumber,gidNumber,loginShell    eq,pres
index uid,memberUid                     eq,pres,sub
index nisMapName,nisMapEntry            eq,pres,sub

# Replicas of this database
#replogfile /var/lib/ldap/openldap-master-replog
#replica host=ldap-1.example.com:389 tls=yes
#     bindmethod=sasl saslmech=GSSAPI
#     authcId=host/ldap-master.example.com at EXAMPLE.COM




See anything amiss?  Next idea to try?

David N. Trask
Technology Teacher/Coordinator
Vassalboro Community School
dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us
(207)923-3100




From jim at winonacotter.org  Fri May 28 13:03:59 2004
From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:03:59 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
Message-ID: <007d01c444b4$41116e80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>

I have 2 identical server with the only difference on /home size.  They
are both Dual 1GHZ, 1GB RAM, 2 9GB SCSI's in Mirrored RAID for / and 4
74GB SCSI's in RAID 5 for /home (the new server has 4 18 GB) and both
have load balancing 1GB NICs.  The original server is completely
configured with all of my server software and users, the other just has
a minimal install of WBEL.  What is the quickest way to make an exact
copy of the first server to the second?




From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie  Fri May 28 12:53:11 2004
From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:53:11 +0100
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B10@ILFGEXC>

Out of interest - how many clients does this support typically?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org]
Sent: 28 May 2004 14:04
To: k12osn at redhat.com
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone


I have 2 identical server with the only difference on /home size.  They
are both Dual 1GHZ, 1GB RAM, 2 9GB SCSI's in Mirrored RAID for / and 4
74GB SCSI's in RAID 5 for /home (the new server has 4 18 GB) and both
have load balancing 1GB NICs.  The original server is completely
configured with all of my server software and users, the other just has
a minimal install of WBEL.  What is the quickest way to make an exact
copy of the first server to the second?


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From jim at winonacotter.org  Fri May 28 13:19:39 2004
From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:19:39 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B10@ILFGEXC>
Message-ID: <008201c444b6$715eee80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>

Right now, none.  This will be a email and file server, not serving
LTSP.  I will most likely increase RAM over time but I just want to get
the servers setup for now.  There are 2 school systems involved that we
control out of this office, Cotter High School and Winona Area Catholic
Schools.  I have built the Cotter server and instead of rebuilding the
wheel I just want to copy it to start for the WACS server.

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> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:53 AM
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> 
> 
> Out of interest - how many clients does this support typically?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org]
> Sent: 28 May 2004 14:04
> To: k12osn at redhat.com
> Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
> 
> 
> I have 2 identical server with the only difference on /home 
> size.  They are both Dual 1GHZ, 1GB RAM, 2 9GB SCSI's in 
> Mirrored RAID for / and 4 74GB SCSI's in RAID 5 for /home 
> (the new server has 4 18 GB) and both have load balancing 1GB 
> NICs.  The original server is completely configured with all 
> of my server software and users, the other just has a minimal 
> install of WBEL.  What is the quickest way to make an exact 
> copy of the first server to the second?
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From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us  Fri May 28 13:06:07 2004
From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:06:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP...almost!
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <33342.10.20.1.133.1085749567.squirrel@postoffice>

I've been interviewing applicatants this week for 5 postions and have not
been able to do much here. I have one of my techs walking through the
HOW-TO but she has been swamped too with calls here at the end of school.

I know that the logs are currently barking about some of the entries in
the new samba schema but other than that I have not had a chance to get in
play very much.

I should be wrapping up the interviews early next week and will be able to
devote more time to the project.

Michael
-- 
Michael Williams                   Haywood County Schools
Technology Director               Instructional Technology
http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us         (828) 627-8314





From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us  Fri May 28 13:28:47 2004
From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:28:47 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP...almost!
In-Reply-To: <33342.10.20.1.133.1085749567.squirrel@postoffice>
References: 
	<33342.10.20.1.133.1085749567.squirrel@postoffice>
Message-ID: 

"Support list for opensource software in schools." 
writes:
>I know that the logs are currently barking about some of the entries in
>the new samba schema but other than that I have not had a chance to get in
>play very much.

Which log?  I'll check mine.

David N. Trask
Technology Teacher/Coordinator
Vassalboro Community School
dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us
(207)923-3100




From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us  Fri May 28 13:09:11 2004
From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:09:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <007d01c444b4$41116e80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
References: <007d01c444b4$41116e80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
Message-ID: <33363.10.20.1.133.1085749751.squirrel@postoffice>



> I have 2 identical server with the only difference on /home size.  They
> are both Dual 1GHZ, 1GB RAM, 2 9GB SCSI's in Mirrored RAID for / and 4
> 74GB SCSI's in RAID 5 for /home (the new server has 4 18 GB) and both
> have load balancing 1GB NICs.  The original server is completely
> configured with all of my server software and users, the other just has
> a minimal install of WBEL.  What is the quickest way to make an exact
> copy of the first server to the second?

rsync would be my knee jerk response but I've never done a complete system
before and don't know if that would work.

-- 
Michael Williams                   Haywood County Schools
Technology Director               Instructional Technology
http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us         (828) 627-8314





From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie  Fri May 28 13:14:44 2004
From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:14:44 +0100
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B11@ILFGEXC>

Well ... I suppose you could try ghosting one machine onto the other?

Have you used the DOS based norton ghost before?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org]
Sent: 28 May 2004 14:04
To: k12osn at redhat.com
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone


I have 2 identical server with the only difference on /home size.  They
are both Dual 1GHZ, 1GB RAM, 2 9GB SCSI's in Mirrored RAID for / and 4
74GB SCSI's in RAID 5 for /home (the new server has 4 18 GB) and both
have load balancing 1GB NICs.  The original server is completely
configured with all of my server software and users, the other just has
a minimal install of WBEL.  What is the quickest way to make an exact
copy of the first server to the second?


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From samps at redjocks.com  Fri May 28 13:27:08 2004
From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:57:08 +0930
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <007d01c444b4$41116e80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
References: <007d01c444b4$41116e80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
Message-ID: <40B73E2C.4060601@redjocks.com>

Jim Kronebusch wrote:

What is the quickest way to make an exact
> copy of the first server to the second?
> 
> 


I would normally use Ghost (www.symantec.com) for that. Lately, I've 
discovered that Dolly will do the trick for free.
Find Dolly at
http://www.cs.inf.ethz.ch/CoPs/patagonia/dolly/dolly.0.57/dolly.html


cheers
Samps




From etyack at acurrus.com  Fri May 28 13:32:40 2004
From: etyack at acurrus.com (Erick S. Tyack)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:32:40 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <007d01c444b4$41116e80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
References: <007d01c444b4$41116e80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
Message-ID: <1085751160.30762.9.camel@brat.acurrus.com>

Hello,

Check out SystemImager for replicating systems.  It is available at 

http://www.systemimager.org 

Works great and you can also keep your images synced to a backup server
to rebuild a system anytime you need to.

Erick

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 09:03, Jim Kronebusch wrote:
> I have 2 identical server with the only difference on /home size.  They
> are both Dual 1GHZ, 1GB RAM, 2 9GB SCSI's in Mirrored RAID for / and 4
> 74GB SCSI's in RAID 5 for /home (the new server has 4 18 GB) and both
> have load balancing 1GB NICs.  The original server is completely
> configured with all of my server software and users, the other just has
> a minimal install of WBEL.  What is the quickest way to make an exact
> copy of the first server to the second?
> 
> 
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Acurrus Consulting, LLC                        Email: etyack at acurrus.com
3111 N. Connecticut Ave.                       Voice:  248.302.1855
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From jim at winonacotter.org  Fri May 28 13:32:41 2004
From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:32:41 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <33363.10.20.1.133.1085749751.squirrel@postoffice>
Message-ID: <008c01c444b8$43c6f4c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>

[SNIP]
> rsync would be my knee jerk response but I've never done a 
> complete system before and don't know if that would work.

Well I have been trying a few different things, restore was the first
from a full system dump to NFS mount via webmin without any luck.  The
other was rsync but my syntax is very questionable (rsync -e ssh -avz
--delete-after user at server:/ /), that managed to render my new server
unbootable afterwards :-)  I am really nervous about entering the wrong
command and killing files on the original server.  Also if I get
something to work, I am worried about whether or not it will be a true
clone or if only enough files are alike to seem that way which could
lead to problems down the road.  Both servers will eventually maintain a
separate user base but all software on both will be identical.




From jim at winonacotter.org  Fri May 28 13:34:21 2004
From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:34:21 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B11@ILFGEXC>
Message-ID: <008f01c444b8$7f6679b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>

[SNIP]
> Well ... I suppose you could try ghosting one machine onto the other?
> 
> Have you used the DOS based norton ghost before?

I have but never with SCSI or linux, will it actually work on both?
Would you suggest just using the network boot floppy setup?




From jim at winonacotter.org  Fri May 28 13:38:24 2004
From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:38:24 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <40B73E2C.4060601@redjocks.com>
Message-ID: <009001c444b9$0fcae450$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>

[SNIP] 
> I would normally use Ghost (www.symantec.com) for that. Lately, I've 
> discovered that Dolly will do the trick for free.
> Find Dolly at 
> http://www.cs.inf.ethz.ch/CoPs/patagonia/dolly> /dolly.0.57/dolly.html

I went to check out Dolly and ironically their server is down right now
due to hardware failure, I wonder if they will be able to successfully
clone to the new hardware :-)




From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie  Fri May 28 13:31:31 2004
From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:31:31 +0100
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
Message-ID: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B13@ILFGEXC>

Well I don't see any problems with it using Linux ...

shut both machines down - connect them to each other using a cross-over
cable, boot both using the network boot floppy that you will download :),
and set the master as the master and the slave as the slave!

Dont see any problems :)

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org]
Sent: 28 May 2004 14:34
To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.'
Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Server Clone


[SNIP]
> Well ... I suppose you could try ghosting one machine onto the other?
> 
> Have you used the DOS based norton ghost before?

I have but never with SCSI or linux, will it actually work on both?
Would you suggest just using the network boot floppy setup?


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From jim at winonacotter.org  Fri May 28 13:48:28 2004
From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:48:28 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B13@ILFGEXC>
Message-ID: <009601c444ba$77aa1ea0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>

[SNIP]
> Well I don't see any problems with it using Linux ...

I guess I just thought Ghost only did Fat filesystems or NTFS because of
it only copying blocks or something and not bits.  I will probably try
the System Imager first that Erick suggested just because it is open
source (and their site isn't down), if I have no luck I will try Ghost,
I know I have a pirated copy of that around somewhere :-)





From jritchie at bible.edu  Fri May 28 13:57:05 2004
From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:57:05 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <008f01c444b8$7f6679b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
References: <008f01c444b8$7f6679b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
Message-ID: <1085752624.8327.565.camel@penguin>

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 09:34, Jim Kronebusch wrote:
> [SNIP]
> > Well ... I suppose you could try ghosting one machine onto the other?
> > 
> > Have you used the DOS based norton ghost before?
> 
> I have but never with SCSI or linux, will it actually work on both?
> Would you suggest just using the network boot floppy setup?

dd is always an option, but its a bit slow.

JSR/




From jim at winonacotter.org  Fri May 28 14:05:26 2004
From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:05:26 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <1085752624.8327.565.camel@penguin>
Message-ID: <009701c444bc$d6ba98f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>

[SNIP]
> dd is always an option, but its a bit slow.
Speed isn't an issue for me right now, getting an imaged server is.




From jritchie at bible.edu  Fri May 28 14:16:30 2004
From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:16:30 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <008c01c444b8$43c6f4c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
References: <008c01c444b8$43c6f4c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
Message-ID: <1085753789.8324.585.camel@penguin>

dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb will copy the entire disk bit for bit, it
takes time and requires the hard drives to be both mounted in the same
machine. as long as you don't confuse your if (input file) and you of
(output file) you are fine. I've done it on a whole lab of XP machines
as I don't own Ghost and each 30G (IIRC) IDE drives took a couple hours.
It was a 2 day process on the 10 PCs. I used the Gentoo LiveCD. I don't
know how this would affect a running system's performance, but I'd
expect it wouldn't be a good idea.

I've heard of people managing to do this between 2 different machines,
but don't recall how it was done. Think it had something to do with ssh.
I'm sure it was even slower...

JSR/

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 09:32, Jim Kronebusch wrote:
> [SNIP]
> > rsync would be my knee jerk response but I've never done a 
> > complete system before and don't know if that would work.
> 
> Well I have been trying a few different things, restore was the first
> from a full system dump to NFS mount via webmin without any luck.  The
> other was rsync but my syntax is very questionable (rsync -e ssh -avz
> --delete-after user at server:/ /), that managed to render my new server
> unbootable afterwards :-)  I am really nervous about entering the wrong
> command and killing files on the original server.  Also if I get
> something to work, I am worried about whether or not it will be a true
> clone or if only enough files are alike to seem that way which could
> lead to problems down the road.  Both servers will eventually maintain a
> separate user base but all software on both will be identical.




From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com  Fri May 28 14:18:53 2004
From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:18:53 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] mount client CD-ROM
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <40B74A4D.7010703@criticalcontrol.com>

Hi Joe :

Take a look here to start :
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=107393694431280&w=2

Peter
CriticalControl Solutions Calgary




From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us  Fri May 28 14:05:03 2004
From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:05:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <40B73E2C.4060601@redjocks.com>
References: <007d01c444b4$41116e80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
	<40B73E2C.4060601@redjocks.com>
Message-ID: <33461.10.20.1.133.1085753103.squirrel@postoffice>


> I would normally use Ghost (www.symantec.com) for that. Lately, I've
> discovered that Dolly will do the trick for free.
> Find Dolly at
> http://www.cs.inf.ethz.ch/CoPs/patagonia/dolly/dolly.0.57/dolly.html
>
>
> cheers
> Samps
>

We have used udpCast http://udpcast.linux.lu/?power-to-the-parliament
I know it will clone the ext3 partitions as we just did it. We have used
udpcast to clone 300 machines in the last two weeks. Works like a champ.
40Gb per hr on 100 mb network

Michael

-- 
Michael Williams                   Haywood County Schools
Technology Director               Instructional Technology
http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us         (828) 627-8314





From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us  Fri May 28 14:27:09 2004
From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:27:09 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <1085753789.8324.585.camel@penguin>
References: <008c01c444b8$43c6f4c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
	<1085753789.8324.585.camel@penguin>
Message-ID: 

Funny...no one has mentioned Mondo?  Use Mondo...create an ISO of server
one....and use it to set up server two.  I believe Mondo is included with
K12LTSP   You can either create CD ISO's or simply host the ISO's on an
NFS share and do the setup of the other server via the network.

David N. Trask
Technology Teacher/Coordinator
Vassalboro Community School
dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us
(207)923-3100




From jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu  Fri May 28 14:23:45 2004
From: jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu (Joe O'Brien)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 07:23:45 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Router
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040528072345.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>

I've been running a Linux box with 4 ethernet cards in it as my primary
router/firewall and have been pleased with its performance/stability.  Most
of the school's network is run on 10Mbit Hubs, so my next thought was to
replace the 4 ethernet cards with (4) 4port ethernet cards and run it as a
16 port 10/100 switch/router/firewall, and if successful, replace some of
those Hubs with a 16 port linux box. We cannot afford to buy enough layer2
or layer3 switches to make a significant dent in replacing our 10Mbit hubs,
but for the price of (1) layer3 switch, I could move almost the entire
network over 10/100....if this would actually work.  Does anyone have any
opinions or suggestions?  

--thanks
--joe o'brien
--Meridian School District




From administrator at maginetworks.com  Fri May 28 14:32:37 2004
From: administrator at maginetworks.com (J. Theriault)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:32:37 +0200
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <1085753789.8324.585.camel@penguin>
References: <008c01c444b8$43c6f4c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
	<1085753789.8324.585.camel@penguin>
Message-ID: <40B74D85.4090201@maginetworks.com>

Josiah Ritchie wrote:

> I've heard of people managing to do this between 2 different machines,
> but don't recall how it was done. Think it had something to do with ssh.
> I'm sure it was even slower...


Hmm, I haven't done this in awhile, but...

Using dd along with netcat (without ssh if it's a local network), you 
can use netcat to listen on a port on a second "receiving" machine and 
write the input of the listening port to a drive:

  nc -l -p  | dd of=/dev/sda (output can be a file or clean 
drive)

The "sending" computer would reading from the source drive and pipe it's 
data into netcat to the port on the "receiving" computer:

  dd if=/dev/sda | nc  

Actually, searching Google (for "dd netcat drive cloning"), I found this 
shell script that runs on the "sending" computer to simplify this 
tranfer, this script assumes the listening port is 9000 and the netmask 
is 255.255.255.0:

(From http://www.rajeevnet.com/hacks_hints/os_clone/os_cloning.html)

=================================================
cloneme.sh :: Shell script for slave machine.
=================================================

#!/bin/sh
############### Edit variables below ######################
FLOPPY_PATH=/mnt/floppy
MYSTUFF_PATH=/mnt/sources/mystuff

# Uncomment only One of the options below.
#### OPTION ==> 1 if using floppy ################
#NC=$FLOPPY_PATH/nc
#### OPTION ==> 2 if using mystuff/ on CD #########
NC=$MYSTUFF_PATH/nc

LPORT=9000
DEST=/dev/sda
SRC=$DEST
############# No need to edit after this in general ###########

if [ $# -eq 1 ]
then
  IPADDR=$1
   echo "###############################################################"
   echo "   If there are no errors here. You need to run following"
   echo "                     command on Master Box."
   echo ""
   echo "dd if=$SRC | nc $IPADDR $LPORT"
   echo "###############################################################"

  echo ""
   echo "##>>  Preparing /etc/hosts  ##"
   rm /etc/hosts
   echo "127.0.0.1 localhost" > /etc/hosts
   echo "$IPADDR fakehost" >> /etc/hosts

  echo 
"#===================================================================="
  echo "NOTE:: If you need to create routes"
  echo " #route add -net  netmask 255.255.255.0 gw $IPADDR 
metric 0"
  echo 
"#===================================================================="

  echo "##>> Preparing interfaces lo and eth0 ##"
  ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up
  ifconfig eth0 $IPADDR up

  echo ""
  echo ">>> Now start listening(at $LPORT) for traffic from Master :-)"
  echo "$NC -l -p $LPORT | dd of=$DEST"
  $NC -l -p $LPORT | dd of=$DEST

  echo ""
  echo "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%"
  echo " Cloning Process completed..... :-) Reboot Now"
  echo "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%"

else
   echo "Usage:: cloneme "
fi


Hope this helps :)



J. Theriault
administrator at maginetworks.com




From jritchie at bible.edu  Fri May 28 14:37:24 2004
From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:37:24 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Router
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040528072345.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>
References: <3.0.5.32.20040528072345.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>
Message-ID: <1085755044.8332.595.camel@penguin>

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 10:23, Joe O'Brien wrote:
> I've been running a Linux box with 4 ethernet cards in it as my primary
> router/firewall and have been pleased with its performance/stability.  Most
> of the school's network is run on 10Mbit Hubs, so my next thought was to
> replace the 4 ethernet cards with (4) 4port ethernet cards and run it as a
> 16 port 10/100 switch/router/firewall, and if successful, replace some of
> those Hubs with a 16 port linux box. We cannot afford to buy enough layer2
> or layer3 switches to make a significant dent in replacing our 10Mbit hubs,
> but for the price of (1) layer3 switch, I could move almost the entire
> network over 10/100....if this would actually work.  Does anyone have any
> opinions or suggestions?

How much are you getting a 4-port ethernet card for? You can get a
decent enough 16-port unmanaged switch from Dell for about $100. You can
find it elsewhere for significantly less. Going with that kind of
hardware you open yourself up to a much larger chance of failure and
more complicated problems when it does fail.

That said, I've thought about it too. It would be fun to just see it
work, but running a firewall on it would be a nightmare trying to keep
all the different NICs straight. I'd probably separate the firewall
feature out to another box for manageability. Routing wouldn't be so
bad, but I'd probably also consider swapping that out if I had the boxen
to do it. Again for manageability purposes.

JSR/




From jfaletra at sau16.org  Fri May 28 14:50:13 2004
From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:50:13 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profile directory
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Les,

After making the changes you requested I get the infamous Microsloft
Windows cannot find the server copy  blah blah blah.  Her eis my
smb.conf AFTER the changes:

Red = changes you suggested
Blue = Lines I commented out

Also /var/samba/profiles is CHMOD 777 all the way down.

Ideas????

# Global Configuration
[global]
        workgroup = NEWFIELDS
        server string = Samba Server
        netbios name = NES1
        smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd
        passdb backend = smbpasswd
        printcap name = cups
        log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
        max log size = 50
        socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
        security = user
        domain logons = Yes
        preferred master = Yes
        domain master = Yes
        dns proxy = No
        wins support = Yes
        guest ok = Yes
        add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd/-m %u
        delete user script = /usr/sbin/userdel/ -r %u
        add group script = /uer/sbin/groupadd %g
        delete group script = /usr/sbin/groupdel/ %g
        add user to group script = /usr/sbin/usermod -G %g %u
        add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -s /bin/false \-d
/dev/null %u
# The following line is creating/updating roaming profiles
        logon path = \\%N\profiles\%u
        logon drive - H:
        os level = 80
        idmap uid = 15000-20000
        idmap gid = 15000-20000

[homes]
        comment = Home Directories
        valid users = %S
        writeable = yes
        read only = No
        create mask = 0664
        directory mask = 0775
        browseable = yes

[netlogon]
        comment = Network Logon Service
        path = /var/samba/netlogon

[profiles]
        path = /var/samba/profiles
        read only = no
        # writeable = yes
        # writeable = yes
        # browseable = yes
        create mask = 0600
        directory mask =0700
        # profile acls = yes
        # read only = no
[root at K12LTSP jfaletra]#


"Support list for opensource software in schools." 
writes:
>
>"Joe Faletra"  wrote:
>
>>>
>If I want all of the profiles saved in /var/samba/profiles/USERNAME
>what would I do?
><<
>
>Based on copying'n'pasting from my own, similar, Samba setup:
>
>[global]
>
>        logon path = \\%N\profiles\%u
>        logon drive = H:
>
>You'll also need to share /var/samba/profiles as "profiles" to match
>the
>logon path above:
>
>[profiles]
>        path = /var/samba/profiles
>        read only = No
>        create mask = 0600
>        directory mask = 0700
>
>That basically should do it.
>
>Best,
>
>--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP
>[http://www.lesbell.com.au]
>
>
>
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From csitech at davisny.edu  Fri May 28 14:58:07 2004
From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:58:07 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] mount client CD-ROM
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1085756287.6636.2.camel@localhost>

Hi Joe,

Client CD-ROM's aren't supported in the current version, though I do
believe that it is one of the things slated for the next release. 

That said, let me take an opportunity to say thanks to all of you more
experienced on the list who've helped me as well as the developers for
K12, you guys are awesome. 

-Calvin

On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 21:03, Joe Guenther wrote:
> I know it is possible to mount the client floppy and use Mtools to access
> the drive.   Is it also possible to mount the client CD and read files that
> a student brings in on a CD?
> 
> How?
> 
> many thanks
> Joe Guenther
> 
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> 
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From administrator at maginetworks.com  Fri May 28 15:05:31 2004
From: administrator at maginetworks.com (J. Theriault)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:05:31 +0200
Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Router
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040528072345.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>
References: <3.0.5.32.20040528072345.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>
Message-ID: <40B7553B.6010804@maginetworks.com>

Joe O'Brien wrote:
> I've been running a Linux box with 4 ethernet cards in it as my primary
> router/firewall and have been pleased with its performance/stability.  Most
> of the school's network is run on 10Mbit Hubs, so my next thought was to
> replace the 4 ethernet cards with (4) 4port ethernet cards and run it as a
> 16 port 10/100 switch/router/firewall, and if successful, replace some of
> those Hubs with a 16 port linux box. We cannot afford to buy enough layer2
> or layer3 switches to make a significant dent in replacing our 10Mbit hubs,
> but for the price of (1) layer3 switch, I could move almost the entire
> network over 10/100....if this would actually work.  Does anyone have any
> opinions or suggestions?  


Hello, Joe;

Yes, it should be possible (much easier if the cards have built-in 
switching ability such as the Asound AL500P 4 Ports Nway Swith + 
10/100Mbps Dual Speed PCI Router card that are 19$US on pricewatch.com) 
but it would be an administration nightmare.

I would *strongly* suggest cheap 10/100 switches instead, there are many 
10/100 switches that can be had for under 50$US on pricewatch.com such as:

LanReady Switch 16port Ethernet 10/100 Switch Retail Box
32$US, Free Shipping, Same-Day Shipping

ASOUND Switch 16port 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet Switch RETAIL BOX
32$US, Free Shipping, Same-Day Shipping

LanReady 16port 10/100 Mbps Switch. Full Duplex, Auto-Negotiation - Plug 
and Play
48$US (Shipping inc.), Same-Day Shipping.

Imagine trying to diagnose a fault in a networks with a bunch of 
machines packes with all those cards while trying to keep the network up :)



J. Theriault
administrator at maginetworks.com




From dgough at papcs.com  Fri May 28 15:14:52 2004
From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:14:52 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065E98@xms.papcs.com>

This discussion is making me think about the following possibility:

A CD based distro with GUI and full hardware detection, with the
specific purpose of replicating hard drives and re-imaging, just as
ghost does now, but without the annoying problems of DOS drivers and
MoBo compatability that messes Ghost up.

I'd like to be able to drop a CD in, boot from it, have a nice GUI load,
tell it where my network share is that contains or will receive the
image, tell it what hard drive to copy to or from, and SHAZAM.....cloned
Linux, Windows or whatever. 

It looks to me that all the parts already exist. Anyone up for joining
me in a project like this?

Doug Gough




From dahopkins at comcast.net  Fri May 28 15:25:34 2004
From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:25:34 +0000
Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client not booting correctly, screen flashes
Message-ID: <052820041525.11361.40B759EE0004E63A00002C6122007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net>

Anyone?

I have a thin client that is behaving strangely. It just stopped working one day last week.  It is one of 40 systems on the primary ltsp server, all identical (VIA Eden-based).  It boots, but then never gets a screen (just flashes ).  I can connect it to our second thin client server and it boots properly.  All the other systems on the primary server do not have problems.

Is there a config file for this system lurking somewhere that I need to delete?
I am running K12LTSP 3.1.2, vmlinuz-2.4-21-ltsp-1.pxe, initrd-2.4.21-ltsp-1.pxe on the primary, but the secondary is still using 2.4-19.  I wanted to update the secondary this summer, but ... now am afraid of more badness happening.

I am at a complete loss on even where to start!

Sincerely,
Dave Hopkins




From administrator at maginetworks.com  Fri May 28 15:35:26 2004
From: administrator at maginetworks.com (J. Theriault)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:35:26 +0200
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065E98@xms.papcs.com>
References: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065E98@xms.papcs.com>
Message-ID: <40B75C3E.8040407@maginetworks.com>

Doug Gough wrote:
> This discussion is making me think about the following possibility:
> 
> A CD based distro with GUI and full hardware detection, with the
> specific purpose of replicating hard drives and re-imaging


Sounds like a good idea, here are some things you might want to think about:


Write Blocking (mounting the drives ro for forensically-sound images)

Network Backup Client (sometimes it's useful to backup a system over a 
network to another computer, you should add an option for this)

Network Backup Server (not all computers have netcat [for example] ready 
and installed) - of course, using this method of client/server would be 
best achieved by having the CD copy the files it needs to RAM on the 
server so the same CD could be used on the clients (such as the CHAOS 
bootable-openmosix-cluster CDs http://itsecurity.mq.edu.au/chaos/about/ do)

OPTIONAL graphical interface (not every computer you'll meet has enough 
RAM for Xwindows, ideally you should have a small command-line 
menu-driven interface as well)

USB-Key support for swapspace (again, some systems don't have enough RAM)


That's all I can think about for now, I expect to be credited in the 
documentation :P (just kidding). I doubt it would take much effort to 
set up a dedicated CD for this purpose (a simple bash script should 
suffice for the non-graphical part).

Cheers,



J. Theriault
administrator at maginetworks.com




From spowers at inlandlakes.org  Fri May 28 15:48:36 2004
From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:48:36 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Thick Client Flash Crash (UPDATE)
Message-ID: <40B75F54.6010702@inlandlakes.org>

YES!!!

For those of you following my old thread regarding macintosh clients 
booting linux, and then using X -query to connect to the server (making 
them thick clients)

THE UPDATE TO FLASH 7.0 FIXES THE MOZILLA CRASH PROBLEM!!!

Now I can move on to getting remote sound to work. :)  (I still have an 
email from Eric regarding remote esd stuff, so I have a starting point)

Oh happy day,
-Shawn

PS, I think I did a write up on how I did the process for getting macs 
to work as thick clients, but I can't seem to find where I put it...  grr...


-- 
Shawn Powers
Technology Director
Inland Lakes Schools
PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174
FAX: 509-356-7024
spowers at inlandlakes.org
http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org

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cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas,
OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference,
or anything else I might infer are not the
views of Inland Lakes Schools.  Pretty much everything
I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be
considered my own delusions, and ignored completely.




From patmo98 at yahoo.com  Fri May 28 15:48:38 2004
From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:48:38 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profile directory
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <40B75F56.2060606@yahoo.com>

Joe Faletra wrote:

>Les,
>
>
>
>After making the changes you requested I get the infamous Microsloft
>
>Windows cannot find the server copy  blah blah blah.  Her eis my
>
>smb.conf AFTER the changes:
>
>
>
>Red = changes you suggested
>
>Blue = Lines I commented out
>  
>
I think the list server killed your color.  I can't see any red or blue 
text.




From jim at winonacotter.org  Fri May 28 16:05:30 2004
From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:05:30 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Router
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040528072345.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>
Message-ID: <009a01c444cd$9c41a9f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>

[SNIP]
> Does anyone have any opinions or suggestions?  

I have bought a bunch of the Dell switches and are more than happy with
them.  Check out this link 
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/2000_workgroup_fas
t?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
And save yourself a lot of headaches with the PowerConnect 2224 24 Port
10/100 Fast Ethernet Switch for $74 after rebate.  Not only will you go
from 10 to 100MB but also you will gain a switched network which will be
significantly faster.  I am sure the Linux box solution would work but
unless your bald already you may just want to save the extra hair.




From patmo98 at yahoo.com  Fri May 28 16:12:34 2004
From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:12:34 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <009601c444ba$77aa1ea0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
References: <009601c444ba$77aa1ea0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
Message-ID: <40B764F2.8010105@yahoo.com>

Jim Kronebusch wrote:

>[SNIP]
>
>  
>
>>Well I don't see any problems with it using Linux ...
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>I guess I just thought Ghost only did Fat filesystems or NTFS because of
>
>it only copying blocks or something and not bits.  I will probably try
>
>the System Imager first that Erick suggested just because it is open
>
>source (and their site isn't down), if I have no luck I will try Ghost,
>
>I know I have a pirated copy of that around somewhere :-)
>
>
>  
>
I have used Ghost with linux and it has some special options for lilo.




From haynest at mchsi.com  Fri May 28 16:21:38 2004
From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:21:38 +0000
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
Message-ID: <052820041621.24636.396a@mchsi.com>

> David N. Trask wrote

> Funny...no one has mentioned Mondo?  Use Mondo...create an ISO of server
> one....and use it to set up server two.

We have had great success with Mondo.

I wrote a howto for another server project.

http://www.contribs.org/contribs/thaynes/E-Smith/mondoarchive/install.htm

Regards...   Tom




From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com  Fri May 28 16:57:53 2004
From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:57:53 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B13@ILFGEXC>
References: <5946F8D7136B0F448A84689797EBAE812D5B13@ILFGEXC>
Message-ID: <28E282F8-B0C8-11D8-B8D5-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com>

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You might have better luck with G4U than with Ghost, since g4u doesn't 
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From les at futuresource.com  Fri May 28 17:39:45 2004
From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:39:45 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <008c01c444b8$43c6f4c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
References: <008c01c444b8$43c6f4c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
Message-ID: <1085765984.7013.59.camel@moola.futuresource.com>

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 08:32, Jim Kronebusch wrote:

> Well I have been trying a few different things, restore was the first
> from a full system dump to NFS mount via webmin without any luck.  The
> other was rsync but my syntax is very questionable (rsync -e ssh -avz
> --delete-after user at server:/ /), that managed to render my new server
> unbootable afterwards :-)

Two things go wrong using any file-by-file method to clone a
machine.  Both easy enough to fix.

First, the RH/fedora install adds labels to your filesystems and
uses the labels instead of the device names for the partitions
in /etc/fstab.  This sounds good in theory because you can add
controllers or move the drives on the connectors and it will still
find the labels, but it sucks in practice because the labels aren't
unique across machines and moving an already labeled disk to another
machine using the same label (say to recover data or just re-use the
disk) will make it unbootable.  So, I recommend fixing this before
cloning. Do a 'df' or 'mount' on the master machine, note the device
names for the partitions (/dev/sda1, etc.) and their mount points
and edit /etc/fstab to use those instead of the "LABEL=/" notation
as first item on the entries.  Be careful about this, but note that
the technique mentioned next can recover a mistake or you can clone
with the labels and recover on the copy. 

The second problem is that the new copy needs a boot loader installed.
If you boot with lilo, any time you change the kernel file location
(new version, copied files, etc.) you must rerun /sbin/lilo to
update the map it uses to tell bios what sectors to load at boot time.
Grub loads in several stages that end up being able to read the
filesystem to find the kernel, but you still have to get it installed
on a cloned system.  The simple way is to boot the just-cloned copy
with  the RH/k12ltsp/fedora install CD and at the boot prompt type
"linux rescue".   This will boot from CD, then attempt to find a
working system and mount it as /mnt/sysimage.  If you didn't change
/etc/fstab before the copy you will probably have to mount the
partition containing /etc by hand and change the copied fstab file
to use the current device partitions where you just copied things.
(Be sure you have a matching swap partiton as well, formatted with
mkswap).  CD out of your mounted partion and unmount it if you
had to do this step, then you can either reboot or mount the
/boot partion in it's logical place yourself.  Once fstab is
correct, booting in rescue mode will mount the partitions under
/etc/sysimage and show you the chroot command to go there for
rescue work.  Type 'chroot /mnt/sysimage' and you will run commands
more or less normally.  Use '/sbin/lilo' if your master system used
lilo, or 'grub-install' if it used grub.  

>   I am really nervous about entering the wrong
> command and killing files on the original server.  Also if I get
> something to work, I am worried about whether or not it will be a true
> clone or if only enough files are alike to seem that way which could
> lead to problems down the road.

If your disk drives are identical, you can clone them with a sector
by sector copy and you'll get boot loader, labels and everything.
Boot the new to-be-copy machine with a Knoppix CD.  From the knoppix
menu item, pick 'root shell'.  Then (assuming a single scsi drive
that is /dev/sda on both) do:
ssh master_server "dd if=/dev/sda" | dd of=/dev/sda
Go have lunch - this will take a long time.

With either approach, the copy will have the same hostname and IP number
as the master.  Unless you are replacing the original machine you should
boot the new one with the network disconnected until you change the
name and address.

---
  Les Mikesell
   les at futuresource.com





From techlists at tasis.ch  Fri May 28 18:06:11 2004
From: techlists at tasis.ch (Bill Tihen)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 20:06:11 +0200
Subject: [K12OSN] WS Image Updating
In-Reply-To: <33363.10.20.1.133.1085749751.squirrel@postoffice>
References: <007d01c444b4$41116e80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
	<33363.10.20.1.133.1085749751.squirrel@postoffice>
Message-ID: <1085767570.20762.59.camel@lotus.tasis.ch>

Hello,

I currently use partimage to make images of workstations (It wouldn't
necessarily be good for servers because it only does 
one partition at a time, but it works well, but only with non-mounted --
non-running OSes.  BUT since you mentioned 
rsync, I was wondering if anyone had some good ideas on how 
to rsync images or somehow keep images updated without 
completely re-imaging.

Bill

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 15:09, Michael Williams wrote:

> 
> rsync would be my knee jerk response but I've never done a complete system
> before and don't know if that would work.




From pantz at lqt.ca  Fri May 28 18:09:09 2004
From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:09:09 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: 
References: <008c01c444b8$43c6f4c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>	<1085753789.8324.585.camel@penguin>
	
Message-ID: <40B78045.1050302@lqt.ca>

David Trask wrote:

>Funny...no one has mentioned Mondo?  Use Mondo...create an ISO of server
>one....and use it to set up server two.  I believe Mondo is included with
>K12LTSP   You can either create CD ISO's or simply host the ISO's on an
>NFS share and do the setup of the other server via the network.
>
>  
>
I second that! If you are thinking of using Ghost - why not go for the 
open source built-for-linux equivalent - Mondo.

It is a great tool - very easy to create isos of your system - then use 
them (bootable of course) to reinstall on your second system. You can 
even change drive geometries before the reinstall if you want!

I really don't understand why people love Ghost so much but are 
tentative when it comes to Mondo. As with most open source products 
compared to proprietary products - you will probably find that Mondo is 
faster, cleaner, more reliable and definately cheaper than Ghost!

pantz

-- 
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ...
That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes!




From jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu  Fri May 28 18:36:20 2004
From: jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu (Joe O'Brien)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:36:20 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Router
In-Reply-To: <40B7553B.6010804@maginetworks.com>
References: <3.0.5.32.20040528072345.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>
	<3.0.5.32.20040528072345.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040528113620.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>

>How much are you getting a 4-port ethernet card for? You can get a
>decent enough 16-port unmanaged switch from Dell for about $100. You can
>find it elsewhere for significantly less. Going with that kind of
>hardware you open yourself up to a much larger chance of failure and
>more complicated problems when it does fail.

I've seen a few cards in the $10-$500 price range, but there are about 4
(Thanks to J. Theriault) now that are in the under $30 price range.  Of
course everything is based on the assumtion that I can find a linux
compatible 4port card in that price range that is reliable :)

>That said, I've thought about it too. It would be fun to just see it
>work, but running a firewall on it would be a nightmare trying to keep
>all the different NICs straight. I'd probably separate the firewall
>feature out to another box for manageability. Routing wouldn't be so
>bad, but I'd probably also consider swapping that out if I had the boxen
>to do it. Again for manageability purposes.
>
>JSR/


>Yes, it should be possible (much easier if the cards have built-in 
>switching ability such as the Asound AL500P 4 Ports Nway Swith + 
>10/100Mbps Dual Speed PCI Router card that are 19$US on pricewatch.com) 
>but it would be an administration nightmare.
>Imagine trying to diagnose a fault in a networks with a bunch of 
>machines packes with all those cards while trying to keep the network up :)
>J. Theriault
>administrator at maginetworks.com


I'm hearing a yes it is possible, but it would be a nightmare. What I'm
unsure of is the nightmare part.  

Configuration: I had to put the one I have here together in an afternoon
with parts I had lying around the office when the Cisco that was here died,
so I'm not overly concerned about this.  Once it's configured, you just
have to monitor and tweak it from time to time.  Running it as a switch
would be more planning on the config side.

Manageablilty: I find linux boxes very manageable, and I do need some
management capabilities in whatever solution I use.  
I also want to implement some form of vlan (or subnet) for each classroom
and some QoS would be nice at that level too in the MDF closet.  In the
classroom I would be fine with dumb switches, except some of the older
equipment in the classrooms do not like autosense.

Stability(Hardware):  A concern.  Finding quality 4port nics is one
concern.  By removing the harddrive and using a boot cd should improve
uptime, but hardware can always fail. Having a spare machine built and
using a floppy or network for the  site specific configs should minimize
downtime in case of failure.  Or use a usb pen drive. 

Stability(Software):  It's Linux, nuff said :-)  I know even linux crashes
from time to time and Software patches would be an issue somewhat, but the
fewer things installed, then fewer patches, fewer glitches.  Just reburn a
new cd every 6-12 months for updates, or use a usb pen drive. 

Diagnosis and Repair:  It's Linux, nuff said :-) I've had "firmware"
problems with some switches in the past that required I ship it back to the
vendor and pay them to fix it.  I've had ports die on hubs before.  Granted
I may have more things break on a Linux box, but at least it is fixable.

Performance:  My #1 concern.  In monitoring my linux router, I haven't seen
any major performance issues or any significant packet loss, even during
saturation of the connections.

I guess ever since the 4port cards came out I've been wondering about this.
 I look at a switch, much like I look at a Tivo, and I've almost finished
building that thanks to mythtv :-).

Thanks for your advice.

--joe o'brien



I 




From cliebow at downeast.net  Fri May 28 18:30:16 2004
From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:30:16 GMT
Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Thick Client Flash Crash (UPDATE)
Message-ID: <200405281717.i4SHH6n09091@downeast.net>

DUDE!!!!!!!!!

> YES!!!
> 
> For those of you following my old thread regarding macintosh clients 
> booting linux, and then using X -query to connect to the server (making 
> them thick clients)
> 
> THE UPDATE TO FLASH 7.0 FIXES THE MOZILLA CRASH PROBLEM!!!
> 
> Now I can move on to getting remote sound to work. :)  (I still have an 
> email from Eric regarding remote esd stuff, so I have a starting point)
> 
> Oh happy day,
> -Shawn
> 
> PS, I think I did a write up on how I did the process for getting macs 
> to work as thick clients, but I can't seem to find where I put it...  grr...
> 
> 
> -- 
> Shawn Powers
> Technology Director
> Inland Lakes Schools
> PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174
> FAX: 509-356-7024
> spowers at inlandlakes.org
> http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org
> 
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From les at futuresource.com  Fri May 28 18:44:34 2004
From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:44:34 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <40B78045.1050302@lqt.ca>
References: <008c01c444b8$43c6f4c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org>
	<1085753789.8324.585.camel@penguin>
	
	<40B78045.1050302@lqt.ca>
Message-ID: <1085769873.7013.94.camel@moola.futuresource.com>

The issue of 'bare metal' restores comes up every once in a while
on the backuppc mailing list.  I'd recommend that approach for
anyone who has a little bit of time to set it up, because it
means you can't hurt the real master machine by typing the
commands backwards and it also proves that you could reconstruct
your primary machine from last night's backup as easily if
something destroys it tomorrow.

Basically it involves booting Knoppix or a similar standalone
CD to fdisk/mkfs the partitions, then ssh'ing a command to the
backuppc server to generate a tar archive of the backup copy
you want and piping that to a local tar extract in the right place.
Then you may have to fix up the /etc/fstab file and install a
boot loader.

---
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   les at futuresource.com




From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca  Fri May 28 18:49:47 2004
From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (Joseph Bishay)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:49:47 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about
	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <20040528183914.5612C73539@hormel.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>

Hello,

After finally setting up everything and having the lab running 
smoothly, some issues have arisen.

It seems rumours within the school's administration/board abound that 
the lab we have is totally useless for preparing students for future 
computer use/education.

Background: we are a small private Christian elementary school with a 
very limited budget and basic staffing. The school board is also made 
up of people who have no experience in teaching (mostly business 
people) and they don't interact with the school directly (IE: they're 
completely out of touch).

What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have 
IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE: Doesn't need to 
be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto) there is no ministry-
mandated computer curriculum, so essentially the lab is used as a 
reference room for other subjects. 

Thanks,
Joseph




From csitech at davisny.edu  Fri May 28 18:55:30 2004
From: csitech at davisny.edu (Calvin Park)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:55:30 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration
	about Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
Message-ID: <1085770530.6636.5.camel@localhost>

I would for Davis College, a small Christian/Bible College in upstate
New York. We are switching our Student Computer Center to K12LTSP over
the summer. So, certainly Linux is being used at this college, as well
as other colleges here in the states. That might help to calm some of
their fears. 

-Calvin

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 14:49, Joseph Bishay wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> After finally setting up everything and having the lab running 
> smoothly, some issues have arisen.
> 
> It seems rumours within the school's administration/board abound that 
> the lab we have is totally useless for preparing students for future 
> computer use/education.
> 
> Background: we are a small private Christian elementary school with a 
> very limited budget and basic staffing. The school board is also made 
> up of people who have no experience in teaching (mostly business 
> people) and they don't interact with the school directly (IE: they're 
> completely out of touch).
> 
> What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have 
> IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE: Doesn't need to 
> be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto) there is no ministry-
> mandated computer curriculum, so essentially the lab is used as a 
> reference room for other subjects. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Joseph
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
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-- 
Calvin Park
Assistant for Linux Systems
Computer Services Department
Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry

web: www.davisny.edu
email: csitech at davisny.edu
phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404




From dalen at czexan.net  Fri May 28 19:06:28 2004
From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:06:28 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about
	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
Message-ID: <40B78DB4.5000600@czexan.net>

Joseph Bishay wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> After finally setting up everything and having the lab running 
> smoothly, some issues have arisen.
> 
> It seems rumours within the school's administration/board abound that 
> the lab we have is totally useless for preparing students for future 
> computer use/education.
> 
> Background: we are a small private Christian elementary school with a 
> very limited budget and basic staffing. The school board is also made 
> up of people who have no experience in teaching (mostly business 
> people) and they don't interact with the school directly (IE: they're 
> completely out of touch).
> 
> What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have 
> IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE: Doesn't need to 
> be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto) there is no ministry-
> mandated computer curriculum, so essentially the lab is used as a 
> reference room for other subjects. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Joseph
Joseph,
	Considering that you are trying to convince business people, I would 
use business examples.  I would try and find influential newspaper (Wall 
Street Journal, New York Times, etc...) articles about Linux 
deployments.  Perhaps look for IBM internally moving to Linux Desktop or 
that city in Florida that has many thin clients.  Let me know what you 
find as I have the same task in front of me.

Thanks,

Dale




From accessys at smart.net  Fri May 28 19:08:29 2004
From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:08:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about
	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 28 May 2004, Joseph Bishay wrote:

> It seems rumours within the school's administration/board abound that
> the lab we have is totally useless for preparing students for future
> computer use/education.

those with a linux computer education can operate just about any computer
on just about any operating system

those only trained in a proprietary enviorenment are handicapped by being
locked into only a single way to do things.


Bob


>
> Background: we are a small private Christian elementary school with a
> very limited budget and basic staffing. The school board is also made
> up of people who have no experience in teaching (mostly business
> people) and they don't interact with the school directly (IE: they're
> completely out of touch).
>
> What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have
> IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE: Doesn't need to
> be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto) there is no ministry-
> mandated computer curriculum, so essentially the lab is used as a
> reference room for other subjects.
>
> Thanks,
> Joseph
>
>
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From jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu  Fri May 28 19:18:21 2004
From: jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu (Joe O'Brien)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:18:21 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Server Clone
In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065E98@xms.papcs.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040528121821.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>

We had a home-grown setup to do this. We ran dual boot boxes in the attempt
to get people to run linux, though sadly it was not successful in more than
a few cases.

Build the install (linux, windows). Boot to NFS floppy. Tarball, gzip and
upload tar.gz to NFS server.
Boot to NFS on the next machine, have default scripts (that had a 1 minute
to cancel timeout) that fdisk the harddrive based on total size, formated
the drive and wget'd the tarball from an internal server.  Reboot and you
are done.  Also put the nfs floppy on the harddrive and could access it
from lilo so you could reclone it without a floppy.  Had some trouble with
dos formating under linux, so created a minidos partition with format and
some init images.  Worked great.  You could reclone from the harddrive off
of a 100Mbit network in around 15minutes.

--thanks
--joe

At 08:14 AM 5/28/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>This discussion is making me think about the following possibility:
>
>A CD based distro with GUI and full hardware detection, with the
>specific purpose of replicating hard drives and re-imaging, just as
>ghost does now, but without the annoying problems of DOS drivers and
>MoBo compatability that messes Ghost up.
>
>I'd like to be able to drop a CD in, boot from it, have a nice GUI load,
>tell it where my network share is that contains or will receive the
>image, tell it what hard drive to copy to or from, and SHAZAM.....cloned
>Linux, Windows or whatever. 
>
>It looks to me that all the parts already exist. Anyone up for joining
>me in a project like this?
>
>Doug Gough
>





From henryhartley at westat.com  Fri May 28 19:52:24 2004
From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:24 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration ab
	out Linux?
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DD6F@remail2.westat.com>

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph Bishay [mailto:joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca] 
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 2:50 PM
>> 
>> What would be the best way to reassure them that the system
>> we have IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE:
>> Doesn't need to be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto)
>> there is no ministry-mandated computer curriculum, so
>> essentially the lab is used as a reference room for other
>> subjects. 

When you teach math to your students, you teach facts and concepts, you
don't teach how to use a particular calculator.

When you teach language to your students, you teach the parts of speech,
grammar and sentence structure, you don't tell them precisely what to say.

When you teach art to your students, you teach them how to express
themselves creatively, you don't tell them what to draw.

When you teach computer programming to students, you teach them about logic,
data and control structures, you don't teach them any particular language
(well, you might but that's secondary).

When you teach typing to your students, you teach them the QWERTY keyboard
layout (probably) and it doesn't matter if you use a typewriter, a Wintel PC
or a Macintosh.

When you teach your students how to do research, you teach them how to use
books, conduct interviews, perform experiments, etc., you don't just teach
them to use the encyclopedia for everything.  

When you teach computer technology to your students, you teach them how a
computer works and what it can do, you don't teach them how to use Microsoft
Word.

It's all about teaching concepts.

Or, another approach...

What are you teaching?

Are you teaching a course in Microsoft Word or are you teaching your
students to write?  As an employer, I'd rather have one person who can write
but can't find the computer's power switch than ten MS Word savvy people who
cannot express an idea to save their life.

Are you teaching a course in Microsoft Excel or are you teaching your
students how to calculate numeric values?  I'd rather have one person who
understands the relationships between numbers and can write a formula to
calculate a value than ten people who can use Excel but cannot tell me why
the numbers don't add up to the right total (or don't know how to tell if
the total is right in the first place).

Are you teaching a course in Adobe Photoshop or are you teaching design?
I'd rather have one computer illiterate person who can put colors and shapes
together to convey a feeling than ten who know how to use Photoshop but
cannot.

The computer is a tool.  I didn't grow up using a computer in school.  Sure,
it useful to know how to use a particular brand of tool.  But the ability to
know what the tool is good for is vastly more important.  I'm a photographer
in my spare time.  I've used dozens of different cameras over the years.
They differed from each other in some significant ways - digital vs. film,
35mm vs. 120mm vs. 4x5in, rangefinder vs. SLR vs. speed graphic.  The
mechanics of the camera change and I've had to adapt.  But subject,
composition, exposure - those things are the same with any camera.  If I had
concentrated on learning to use a Canon rangefinder (my first camera) and
nothing else, I'd have had a hard time with the digital SLR I use now, or my
grandfather's Speed Graphic.

Anyway, I hope some of that is helpful.

-- 
Henry Hartley




From webmaster at vol.org  Fri May 28 19:31:36 2004
From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:31:36 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration
	about Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
Message-ID: <1085772696.20250.62.camel@tardis.london.volnet>

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:49, Joseph Bishay wrote:

> What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have 
> IS able to prepare the students for the future

I had to deal with the same thing last year after running LTSP school
wide for a year. 

My arguments were:

1. We need to be providing an education in the concepts of using
computers rather than *training* them in a specific version of a
specific program from a specific company. I asked them if they would use
an auto mechanic who had only learned to work on one specific model year
of a specific car from a specific company.

2. I proved to them that a word processor is a word processor, a
spreadsheet a spreadsheet, etc. I ran copies of MS Office and OpenOffice
side by side and compared them. I even had an old Macintosh SE running
MS Works from the mid 80's and demonstrated how all the concepts on 17
year old software still apply on modern software.

3. I had stacks of articles showing how Linux is being used behind the
scenes (Google, Amazon), how universities are using it, how people in
the "real world" (Largo, Flordia) are using it and how schools just like
ours ( http://www.stmarys-school.org/smsk12linux_howandwhy.htm ) are
using it. I constantly post links to "Linux in the real world" stories
on our intranet news page.

4. Cost. Showed them what it would cost to upgrade our mostly 1995 -
2000 (most machines are P200/32MB Win95 machines from 1997). New
hardware, new licenses for XP, Office, cals, antivirus, etc. Argued that
the money saved in software licenses could be better used to pay
teachers more and buy hardware (terminal server, switches) to drive our
existing set of workstations.

I've had absolutely no complaints this year from teachers or students
about using Linux. I've even had a few compliments on how well things
work (300 days uptime). I've not heard a peep from the administration
about changing things.

Good luck!


-- 
george kocke 


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From jfaletra at sau16.org  Fri May 28 20:02:02 2004
From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:02:02 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [K12OSN] Roaming profile directory
Message-ID: 

Les,

After making the changes you requested I get the infamous Microsloft
Windows cannot find the server copy  blah blah blah.  Her eis my
smb.conf AFTER the changes:

Also /var/samba/profiles is CHMOD 777 all the way down.

Ideas????

# Global Configuration
[global]
        workgroup = NEWFIELDS
        server string = Samba Server
        netbios name = NES1
        smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd
        passdb backend = smbpasswd
        printcap name = cups
        log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
        max log size = 50
        socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
        security = user
        domain logons = Yes
        preferred master = Yes
        domain master = Yes
        dns proxy = No
        wins support = Yes
        guest ok = Yes
        add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd/-m %u
        delete user script = /usr/sbin/userdel/ -r %u
        add group script = /uer/sbin/groupadd %g
        delete group script = /usr/sbin/groupdel/ %g
        add user to group script = /usr/sbin/usermod -G %g %u
        add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -s /bin/false \-d

# The following line is creating/updating roaming profiles
        logon path = \\%N\profiles\%u
        logon drive - H:
        os level = 80
        idmap uid = 15000-20000
        idmap gid = 15000-20000

[homes]
        comment = Home Directories
        valid users = %S
        writeable = yes
        read only = No
        create mask = 0664
        directory mask = 0775
        browseable = yes

[netlogon]
        comment = Network Logon Service
        path = /var/samba/netlogon

[profiles]
        path = /var/samba/profiles
        read only = no
        # writeable = yes
        # writeable = yes
        # browseable = yes
        create mask = 0600
        directory mask =0700
        # profile acls = yes
        # read only = no
[root at K12LTSP jfaletra]#


"Support list for opensource software in schools." 
writes:
>>
>>"Joe Faletra"  wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>If I want all of the profiles saved in /var/samba/profiles/USERNAME
>>what would I do?
>><<
>>
>>Based on copying'n'pasting from my own, similar, Samba setup:
>>
>>[global]
>>
>>        logon path = \\%N\profiles\%u
>>        logon drive = H:
>>
>>You'll also need to share /var/samba/profiles as "profiles" to match
>>the
>>logon path above:
>>
>>[profiles]
>>        path = /var/samba/profiles
>>        read only = No
>>        create mask = 0600
>>        directory mask = 0700
>>
>>That basically should do it.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP
>>[http://www.lesbell.com.au]
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
Joe Faletra
School Administrative Unit 16
Districts Manager for Technology Support Services
T: 603-775-8576
F: 603-775-8487
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From jritchie at bible.edu  Fri May 28 20:23:47 2004
From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:23:47 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Router
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040528113620.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>
References: <3.0.5.32.20040528072345.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>
	<3.0.5.32.20040528072345.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>
	<3.0.5.32.20040528113620.00d2d8a0@mail.meridian.wednet.edu>
Message-ID: <1085775827.8327.628.camel@penguin>

> I'm hearing a yes it is possible, but it would be a nightmare. What I'm
> unsure of is the nightmare part.  
> 
> Configuration: I had to put the one I have here together in an afternoon
> with parts I had lying around the office when the Cisco that was here died,
> so I'm not overly concerned about this.  Once it's configured, you just
> have to monitor and tweak it from time to time.  Running it as a switch
> would be more planning on the config side.
> 
> Manageablilty: I find linux boxes very manageable, and I do need some
> management capabilities in whatever solution I use.  
> I also want to implement some form of vlan (or subnet) for each classroom
> and some QoS would be nice at that level too in the MDF closet.  In the
> classroom I would be fine with dumb switches, except some of the older
> equipment in the classrooms do not like autosense.
> 
> Stability(Hardware):  A concern.  Finding quality 4port nics is one
> concern.  By removing the harddrive and using a boot cd should improve
> uptime, but hardware can always fail. Having a spare machine built and
> using a floppy or network for the  site specific configs should minimize
> downtime in case of failure.  Or use a usb pen drive. 
> 
> Stability(Software):  It's Linux, nuff said :-)  I know even linux crashes
> from time to time and Software patches would be an issue somewhat, but the
> fewer things installed, then fewer patches, fewer glitches.  Just reburn a
> new cd every 6-12 months for updates, or use a usb pen drive. 
> 
> Diagnosis and Repair:  It's Linux, nuff said :-) I've had "firmware"
> problems with some switches in the past that required I ship it back to the
> vendor and pay them to fix it.  I've had ports die on hubs before.  Granted
> I may have more things break on a Linux box, but at least it is fixable.
> 
> Performance:  My #1 concern.  In monitoring my linux router, I haven't seen
> any major performance issues or any significant packet loss, even during
> saturation of the connections.
> 
> I guess ever since the 4port cards came out I've been wondering about this.
>  I look at a switch, much like I look at a Tivo, and I've almost finished
> building that thanks to mythtv :-).
> 
> Thanks for your advice.

Sounds like you at least understand the process well enough and are
willing to take on the trouble it may incite, so good luck and let us
know how it works out. It seems like something that would be a lot of
fun to implement. :-)

JSR/




From jkinz at kinz.org  Fri May 28 20:27:37 2004
From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:27:37 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration ab out
	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DD6F@remail2.westat.com>;
	from henryhartley@westat.com on Fri, May 28, 2004 at 03:52:24PM
	-0400
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Message-ID: <20040528162737.A7450@redline.comcast.net>

George and Henry's replies make an excellent point:

#1:
You are teaching the students basic principles of how to use a computer
which they can use on any type of computer.

For example: Otis Library in Norwich Connecticut installed
a number of linux boxes for their library patrons to use for word
processing and internet browsing in November of last year.

None of their patrons needed ANY instructions on how to use those
systems.  They just sat down and started using them.

For a windows user the start up curve to begin using these systems was 
ZERO.

Ask your skeptics what brand of vehicle they drive. Then ask them if
they think they would have any problem driving one of the other brands.

The controls are pretty well standardized even though they don't look
the same.  It only takes a few moments to get used to driving a
different car.   Same principle applies here.



#2 - Linux is the future, not Windows.  Take a look at :
http://www.ocean-usa.org/oitc/event329.php 
(Thats me, presenting at the head of the room. :)

Students who use Linux will actually be better prepared for the future
than those stuck on Windows.

On the right hand side, under "presentation slides" you will find 
a link to a powerpoint file.  I created that presentation in 
OpenOffice- Impress and saved it in powerpoint format.

If you have any trouble getting the file let me know.

In this presentation you will find numbers about how
many organizations and countries are adopting Linux.

If the current trends continue, The number of microsoft desktop
users will begin shrinking in about 4 to 6 years.  The Linux desktop
user's are currently growing at rates in excess of 1000 % a year.
(for example SUN signed a contract to put SUN's JDS (A linux based
desktop) on 200 million chinese desktops,  The contract calls for 
500,000 desktops to be installed the first year.)





-- 
Jeff Kinz,  Emergent Research,  Hudson, MA.  
"jkinz at kinz.org" is copyright 2004.  
Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at
www.kinz.org/policy.html (if you could get there .. )




From troybanther at plateautel.net  Fri May 28 20:31:58 2004
From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:31:58 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration ab
	out Linux?
In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DD6F@remail2.westat.com>
References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DD6F@remail2.westat.com>
Message-ID: <1085776296.2531.9.camel@supervisor>

Nicely said.

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:52, Henry Hartley wrote:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joseph Bishay [mailto:joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca] 
> >> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 2:50 PM
> >> 
> >> What would be the best way to reassure them that the system
> >> we have IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE:
> >> Doesn't need to be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto)
> >> there is no ministry-mandated computer curriculum, so
> >> essentially the lab is used as a reference room for other
> >> subjects. 
> 
> When you teach math to your students, you teach facts and concepts, you
> don't teach how to use a particular calculator.
> 
> When you teach language to your students, you teach the parts of speech,
> grammar and sentence structure, you don't tell them precisely what to say.
> 
> When you teach art to your students, you teach them how to express
> themselves creatively, you don't tell them what to draw.
> 
> When you teach computer programming to students, you teach them about logic,
> data and control structures, you don't teach them any particular language
> (well, you might but that's secondary).
> 
> When you teach typing to your students, you teach them the QWERTY keyboard
> layout (probably) and it doesn't matter if you use a typewriter, a Wintel PC
> or a Macintosh.
> 
> When you teach your students how to do research, you teach them how to use
> books, conduct interviews, perform experiments, etc., you don't just teach
> them to use the encyclopedia for everything.  
> 
> When you teach computer technology to your students, you teach them how a
> computer works and what it can do, you don't teach them how to use Microsoft
> Word.
> 
> It's all about teaching concepts.
> 
> Or, another approach...
> 
> What are you teaching?
> 
> Are you teaching a course in Microsoft Word or are you teaching your
> students to write?  As an employer, I'd rather have one person who can write
> but can't find the computer's power switch than ten MS Word savvy people who
> cannot express an idea to save their life.
> 
> Are you teaching a course in Microsoft Excel or are you teaching your
> students how to calculate numeric values?  I'd rather have one person who
> understands the relationships between numbers and can write a formula to
> calculate a value than ten people who can use Excel but cannot tell me why
> the numbers don't add up to the right total (or don't know how to tell if
> the total is right in the first place).
> 
> Are you teaching a course in Adobe Photoshop or are you teaching design?
> I'd rather have one computer illiterate person who can put colors and shapes
> together to convey a feeling than ten who know how to use Photoshop but
> cannot.
> 
> The computer is a tool.  I didn't grow up using a computer in school.  Sure,
> it useful to know how to use a particular brand of tool.  But the ability to
> know what the tool is good for is vastly more important.  I'm a photographer
> in my spare time.  I've used dozens of different cameras over the years.
> They differed from each other in some significant ways - digital vs. film,
> 35mm vs. 120mm vs. 4x5in, rangefinder vs. SLR vs. speed graphic.  The
> mechanics of the camera change and I've had to adapt.  But subject,
> composition, exposure - those things are the same with any camera.  If I had
> concentrated on learning to use a Canon rangefinder (my first camera) and
> nothing else, I'd have had a hard time with the digital SLR I use now, or my
> grandfather's Speed Graphic.
> 
> Anyway, I hope some of that is helpful.




From troybanther at plateautel.net  Fri May 28 20:32:00 2004
From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:32:00 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration ab
	out Linux?
In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DD6F@remail2.westat.com>
References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DD6F@remail2.westat.com>
Message-ID: <1085776318.2531.11.camel@supervisor>

Nicely said.

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:52, Henry Hartley wrote:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joseph Bishay [mailto:joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca] 
> >> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 2:50 PM
> >> 
> >> What would be the best way to reassure them that the system
> >> we have IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE:
> >> Doesn't need to be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto)
> >> there is no ministry-mandated computer curriculum, so
> >> essentially the lab is used as a reference room for other
> >> subjects. 
> 
> When you teach math to your students, you teach facts and concepts, you
> don't teach how to use a particular calculator.
> 
> When you teach language to your students, you teach the parts of speech,
> grammar and sentence structure, you don't tell them precisely what to say.
> 
> When you teach art to your students, you teach them how to express
> themselves creatively, you don't tell them what to draw.
> 
> When you teach computer programming to students, you teach them about logic,
> data and control structures, you don't teach them any particular language
> (well, you might but that's secondary).
> 
> When you teach typing to your students, you teach them the QWERTY keyboard
> layout (probably) and it doesn't matter if you use a typewriter, a Wintel PC
> or a Macintosh.
> 
> When you teach your students how to do research, you teach them how to use
> books, conduct interviews, perform experiments, etc., you don't just teach
> them to use the encyclopedia for everything.  
> 
> When you teach computer technology to your students, you teach them how a
> computer works and what it can do, you don't teach them how to use Microsoft
> Word.
> 
> It's all about teaching concepts.
> 
> Or, another approach...
> 
> What are you teaching?
> 
> Are you teaching a course in Microsoft Word or are you teaching your
> students to write?  As an employer, I'd rather have one person who can write
> but can't find the computer's power switch than ten MS Word savvy people who
> cannot express an idea to save their life.
> 
> Are you teaching a course in Microsoft Excel or are you teaching your
> students how to calculate numeric values?  I'd rather have one person who
> understands the relationships between numbers and can write a formula to
> calculate a value than ten people who can use Excel but cannot tell me why
> the numbers don't add up to the right total (or don't know how to tell if
> the total is right in the first place).
> 
> Are you teaching a course in Adobe Photoshop or are you teaching design?
> I'd rather have one computer illiterate person who can put colors and shapes
> together to convey a feeling than ten who know how to use Photoshop but
> cannot.
> 
> The computer is a tool.  I didn't grow up using a computer in school.  Sure,
> it useful to know how to use a particular brand of tool.  But the ability to
> know what the tool is good for is vastly more important.  I'm a photographer
> in my spare time.  I've used dozens of different cameras over the years.
> They differed from each other in some significant ways - digital vs. film,
> 35mm vs. 120mm vs. 4x5in, rangefinder vs. SLR vs. speed graphic.  The
> mechanics of the camera change and I've had to adapt.  But subject,
> composition, exposure - those things are the same with any camera.  If I had
> concentrated on learning to use a Canon rangefinder (my first camera) and
> nothing else, I'd have had a hard time with the digital SLR I use now, or my
> grandfather's Speed Graphic.
> 
> Anyway, I hope some of that is helpful.




From anthonybaldwin at snet.net  Fri May 28 21:26:40 2004
From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:26:40 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about
	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
Message-ID: <40B7AE90.1000700@snet.net>

Joseph Bishay wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> After finally setting up everything and having the lab running 
> smoothly, some issues have arisen.
> 
> It seems rumours within the school's administration/board abound that 
> the lab we have is totally useless for preparing students for future 
> computer use/education.

That's absolutely preposterous.
They can learn all of the typical office productivity skills they would 
normally learn on a buggy, insecure Windope lab, such as word 
processing, spreadsheets, slide presentation, web page creation, etc., 
they can do internet research, manipulate graphics, etc., etc., just as 
well in your lab, and they'll have less down time for viruses and 
crashes.  Also, you can maintain current software without licensing 
costs (my school is all Macs still running OS 9, besides the linux boxes 
I've brought in and my OS X iBook.  Schools never stay current with 
proprietary stuff due to costs). Besides, now they will have access to 
source code and can learn so much more than they ever could in a 
Micro$lop lab. They can learn about networking by actually networking 
things, not by pointing and clicking, etc., etc.  The benefits of an OSS 
lab in a school are myriad:  costs, stability and security, and 
increased learning potential are all part of the package.
Don't get me started!

tony


> 
> Background: we are a small private Christian elementary school with a 
> very limited budget and basic staffing. The school board is also made 
> up of people who have no experience in teaching (mostly business 
> people) 

You mean "clueless morons".

and they don't interact with the school directly (IE: they're
> completely out of touch).
> 
> What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have 
> IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE: Doesn't need to 
> be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto) there is no ministry-
> mandated computer curriculum, so essentially the lab is used as a 
> reference room for other subjects. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Joseph
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> K12OSN mailing list
> K12OSN at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
> For more info see 
> 


-- 
Anthony Baldwin
http://www.School-Library.net
Freedom to Learn!

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From tbrown at michiana.org  Fri May 28 20:52:29 2004
From: tbrown at michiana.org (Tom Brown)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:29 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration
	about Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B78DB4.5000600@czexan.net>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040528153651.02e4c660@michiana.org>

-snip-

>  to Linux Desktop or that city in Florida that has many thin 
> clients.  Let me know what you find as I have the same task in front of me.

Just to get you started: Largo, FL.

Largo loves Linux more than ever
http://www.newsforge.com/business/02/12/04/2346215.shtml?tid=19

City saves with Linux, thin clients
http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2860180,00.html

Linux at IBM
http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/

Tom





From troybanther at plateautel.net  Fri May 28 21:53:28 2004
From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:53:28 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] Directors and Numbers
In-Reply-To: <40B7AE90.1000700@snet.net>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>  <40B7AE90.1000700@snet.net>
Message-ID: <1085781207.2796.20.camel@supervisor>

For directors of programs it's all about numbers and productivity.

Here is my situation. I am an institutional employee "on-loan" to a
state-funded grant program house by a local community college in my
area. The college supplies the equipment, space, electricity, and me.

For the last four years, I have pulled a proverbial rabbit out of my
"ear" being that I work with "zero" budget of my own. Yet. Required to
come up with solutions none-the-less.

Without being asked, due to constant complaining about locating the
computer someone tested on 11 months earlier, I found a way to connect
individual PCs running a single version of the same software for ABE-GED
testing. I centralized the student data and fed the programs to W2K
boxes via the Linux and SMB.

Sat down with the ABE director here and point to the fact that we now
have over 14 months, two fiscal reporting cycles (one of two months and
one of twelve), of student data captured for reporting to New Mexico
state-level agencies to whom she must report head count (state) and gain
(federal).

Fedora is not only an excellent solution for clients but a server as
well. It can capture data or numbers for the directors depending on the
program.

Hope that makes sense. I have been rebuilding W2K boxes all day and am
beyond exhausted.

Troy



On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 15:26, anthony baldwin wrote:
> Joseph Bishay wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > After finally setting up everything and having the lab running 
> > smoothly, some issues have arisen.
> > 
> > It seems rumours within the school's administration/board abound that 
> > the lab we have is totally useless for preparing students for future 
> > computer use/education.
> 
> That's absolutely preposterous.
> They can learn all of the typical office productivity skills they would 
> normally learn on a buggy, insecure Windope lab, such as word 
> processing, spreadsheets, slide presentation, web page creation, etc., 
> they can do internet research, manipulate graphics, etc., etc., just as 
> well in your lab, and they'll have less down time for viruses and 
> crashes.  Also, you can maintain current software without licensing 
> costs (my school is all Macs still running OS 9, besides the linux boxes 
> I've brought in and my OS X iBook.  Schools never stay current with 
> proprietary stuff due to costs). Besides, now they will have access to 
> source code and can learn so much more than they ever could in a 
> Micro$lop lab. They can learn about networking by actually networking 
> things, not by pointing and clicking, etc., etc.  The benefits of an OSS 
> lab in a school are myriad:  costs, stability and security, and 
> increased learning potential are all part of the package.
> Don't get me started!
> 
> tony
> 
> 
> > 
> > Background: we are a small private Christian elementary school with a 
> > very limited budget and basic staffing. The school board is also made 
> > up of people who have no experience in teaching (mostly business 
> > people) 
> 
> You mean "clueless morons".
> 
> and they don't interact with the school directly (IE: they're
> > completely out of touch).
> > 
> > What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have 
> > IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE: Doesn't need to 
> > be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto) there is no ministry-
> > mandated computer curriculum, so essentially the lab is used as a 
> > reference room for other subjects. 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Joseph
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > K12OSN mailing list
> > K12OSN at redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
> > For more info see 
> > 
> 




From dhuckaby at paasda.org  Fri May 28 22:08:08 2004
From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:08:08 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Directors and Numbers
In-Reply-To: <1085781207.2796.20.camel@supervisor>
Message-ID: <004b01c44500$4231e820$1803010a@paasda.org>

Troy,

been following this thread all day...taking notes..building a repretoire
of facts(for my own ammunition)
and sorry mate, but ya lost me with your reply =)

--Huck


-----Original Message-----
From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On
Behalf Of troy banther
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 2:53 PM
To: Support list for opensource software in schools.
Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Directors and Numbers


For directors of programs it's all about numbers and productivity.

Here is my situation. I am an institutional employee "on-loan" to a
state-funded grant program house by a local community college in my
area. The college supplies the equipment, space, electricity, and me.

For the last four years, I have pulled a proverbial rabbit out of my
"ear" being that I work with "zero" budget of my own. Yet. Required to
come up with solutions none-the-less.

Without being asked, due to constant complaining about locating the
computer someone tested on 11 months earlier, I found a way to connect
individual PCs running a single version of the same software for ABE-GED
testing. I centralized the student data and fed the programs to W2K
boxes via the Linux and SMB.

Sat down with the ABE director here and point to the fact that we now
have over 14 months, two fiscal reporting cycles (one of two months and
one of twelve), of student data captured for reporting to New Mexico
state-level agencies to whom she must report head count (state) and gain
(federal).

Fedora is not only an excellent solution for clients but a server as
well. It can capture data or numbers for the directors depending on the
program.

Hope that makes sense. I have been rebuilding W2K boxes all day and am
beyond exhausted.

Troy





From kmeyer at blarg.net  Fri May 28 23:28:25 2004
From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:28:25 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about
	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B7AE90.1000700@snet.net>
Message-ID: 

The problem that you say doesn't exist actually does -- very much.  The
ubiquitous "Technical Advisory Committees" will tell the Deans that they
want students who know Microsoft Office, and the Deans aren't capable of,
disabusing the TAC folks of that position; and they wouldn't if they were,
for political reasons.  And being on a TAC is not often a job that is fought
over, so it's likely that the real-world people who are appointed to that
task wouldn't understand either (this is a generalization, and I'm sure that
there are notable exceptions).

Furthermore, most kids don't give a rip about the underpinnings, at least
that's what I've understood Paul Nelson to say -- Paul?  I negotiated a
meeting spot at my favorite local community college for the local Linux User
Group, but even when I go to the Linux classes to issue a personal
invitation, the response to meetings is pretty minimal.

These observations may be less of an issue at the K12 level than at the
vocational, or "professional/technical" level of the community colleges, but
I still suspect that there is significant "trickle-down" of that philosophy.

You weren't started?

Ken Meyer


-----Original Message-----

From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On
Behalf Of anthony baldwin
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 2:27 PM
To: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca; Support list for opensource software in
schools.

Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration
aboutLinux?

Joseph Bishay wrote:

> Hello,
>
> After finally setting up everything and having the lab running
> smoothly, some issues have arisen.
>
> It seems rumours within the school's administration/board abound that
> the lab we have is totally useless for preparing students for future
> computer use/education.

That's absolutely preposterous.
They can learn all of the typical office productivity skills they would
normally learn on a buggy, insecure Windope lab, such as word
processing, spreadsheets, slide presentation, web page creation, etc.,
they can do internet research, manipulate graphics, etc., etc., just as
well in your lab, and they'll have less down time for viruses and
crashes.  Also, you can maintain current software without licensing
costs (my school is all Macs still running OS 9, besides the linux boxes
I've brought in and my OS X iBook.  Schools never stay current with
proprietary stuff due to costs). Besides, now they will have access to
source code and can learn so much more than they ever could in a
Micro$lop lab. They can learn about networking by actually networking
things, not by pointing and clicking, etc., etc.  The benefits of an OSS
lab in a school are myriad:  costs, stability and security, and
increased learning potential are all part of the package.
Don't get me started!

tony


>
> Background: we are a small private Christian elementary school with a
> very limited budget and basic staffing. The school board is also made
> up of people who have no experience in teaching (mostly business
> people)

You mean "clueless morons".

and they don't interact with the school directly (IE: they're
> completely out of touch).
>
> What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have
> IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE: Doesn't need to
> be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto) there is no ministry-
> mandated computer curriculum, so essentially the lab is used as a
> reference room for other subjects.
>
> Thanks,
> Joseph
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> K12OSN mailing list
> K12OSN at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
> For more info see 
>


--
Anthony Baldwin
http://www.School-Library.net
Freedom to Learn!

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_______________________________________________
K12OSN mailing list
K12OSN at redhat.com
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
For more info see 




From microman at cmosnetworks.com  Sat May 29 00:11:54 2004
From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 20:11:54 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about
	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
Message-ID: <40B7D54A.3030602@cmosnetworks.com>

Even if they're businessfolks, don't expect a straight business case to 
work with them.  I've seen plenty of "businesspeople" that, once they're 
in a school board or administration, become instant politicians.  I 
would take the approach that "not only will it cost you all this money 
to rip out a perfectly working system, but now you'll take the school 
down with viruses.  Thus, you'll end up denying children access to 
computer resources, when they're not denied that with the current system."

Also, raise the spectre of potential lawsuits due to the use of 
proprietary formats.  There are statutes on the books of some 
jurisdictions that say "thou shalt use an open standard" so as to not 
favor one vendor over another.  OpenOffice.org's file formats, as well 
as those of the GIMP, Mozilla Mail/Thunderbird, KMail, TuxType, Dia, and 
anything else that's Free Software, are wide-open.  Microsoft Office's, 
Adobe Photoshop's, and Visio's, to name just a few, are not.

Basically, I'd take the strategy of painting a "gloom and doom" picture 
if they pull out your system and a "bed of roses" picture if they 
continue further deploying your system more.  It's a political head 
game; they're afraid of "looking bad" in front of someone important and 
especially in front of each other.

One other thing:  just because one isn't or hasn't been a professional 
classroom teacher doesn't make that person "completely out of touch."  
Unfortunately, I see--and receive--that "us vs. them" attitude from 
teachers a lot, and it's not deserved.

--TP

Joseph Bishay wrote:

>Background: we are a small private Christian elementary school with a 
>very limited budget and basic staffing. The school board is also made 
>up of people who have no experience in teaching (mostly business 
>people) and they don't interact with the school directly (IE: they're 
>completely out of touch).
>
>What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have 
>IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE: Doesn't need to 
>be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto) there is no ministry-
>mandated computer curriculum, so essentially the lab is used as a 
>reference room for other subjects. 
>
>Thanks,
>Joseph
>  
>




From ckjohnson at gwi.net  Sat May 29 12:30:26 2004
From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 08:30:26 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about
	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B7D54A.3030602@cmosnetworks.com>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
	<40B7D54A.3030602@cmosnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <40B88262.7060003@gwi.net>

Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote:

> Even if they're businessfolks, don't expect a straight business case 
> to work with them.  I've seen plenty of "businesspeople" that, once 
> they're in a school board or administration, become instant 
> politicians.  I would take the approach that "not only will it cost 
> you all this money to rip out a perfectly working system, but now 
> you'll take the school down with viruses.  Thus, you'll end up denying 
> children access to computer resources, when they're not denied that 
> with the current system."
>
> Also, raise the spectre of potential lawsuits due to the use of 
> proprietary formats.  There are statutes on the books of some 
> jurisdictions that say "thou shalt use an open standard" so as to not 
> favor one vendor over another.  OpenOffice.org's file formats, as well 
> as those of the GIMP, Mozilla Mail/Thunderbird, KMail, TuxType, Dia, 
> and anything else that's Free Software, are wide-open.  Microsoft 
> Office's, Adobe Photoshop's, and Visio's, to name just a few, are not.
>
> Basically, I'd take the strategy of painting a "gloom and doom" 
> picture if they pull out your system and a "bed of roses" picture if 
> they continue further deploying your system more.  It's a political 
> head game; they're afraid of "looking bad" in front of someone 
> important and especially in front of each other.
>
> --TP

Be careful how you paint the gloom and doom or they will not believe 
it.  First you need to point out that the school does not have the same 
resources as businesses do, and that there is a significant software 
cost and labor cost to protect and disinfect and keep security fixes 
current on windows systems, which you do not have now.  Hence the lost 
time, outages, etc. if you convert.

I doubt that the lawsuits issue is real for a Christian school because 
it is not public.  But I would point out that OpenOffice and Mozilla are 
widely used even on Windows, and that students in other schools have no 
problems switching between those and the Microsoft Office and IE.  So 
students are well prepared to use office and browser applications with 
what you currently have.  Then point out the significant cost savings 
you realize with Linux, OpenOffice and Mozilla vs. Windows and MS Office 
Pro, and the savings for Gimp vs. Photoshop.  The net result is that you 
can provide software for more computers, and more software applications 
on each computer, and less cost keeping all of that in working order 
with Linux than you can with Windows.

Lastly I would point out that there are more Linux desktops installed 
than there are Apple desktops, and business use of Linux is growing 
rapidly.  See 
http://www.towergroup.com/Public/presscenter/pressreleases/011204.htm 
for example.  Public sector use of Linux is growing too, both 
domestically and abroad (such as the whole city government of Munich, 
Germany).  So when it comes to familiarity with Linux and open source 
software your students will have skills that are in demand.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
   "Spend less!  Do more!  Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net
   Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021





From anthonybaldwin at snet.net  Sat May 29 12:55:31 2004
From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 08:55:31 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration ab
	out	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <20040528162737.A7450@redline.comcast.net>
References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DD6F@remail2.westat.com>
	<20040528162737.A7450@redline.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <40B88843.2030704@snet.net>

Jeff Kinz wrote:
> George and Henry's replies make an excellent point:
> 
> #1:
> You are teaching the students basic principles of how to use a computer
> which they can use on any type of computer.
> 
> For example: Otis Library in Norwich Connecticut installed
> a number of linux boxes for their library patrons to use for word
> processing and internet browsing in November of last year.

NO way!  I didn't know Otis Library was using Linux!  That's cool!
I drive by Norwich on my way to school every morning.  I live in New 
London and teach in Sterling, CT (last year I taught in Canterbury, 
where all webservices and e-mail are now on Linux boxes, due to my 
influence! and, I' have several Red Hat Linux boxes in my classroom 
which I built out of donated parts.  I'm leaving Sterling, however, and 
the hed computer guy told me to take them with me, because he's afraid 
of them.  Instead, I am giving them away to children who don't have a 
computer.)

> 
> None of their patrons needed ANY instructions on how to use those
> systems.  They just sat down and started using them.
> 

This is true o my students at Sterling.  I set up the linux boxes and 
they sat right down and used them to do internet research, write papers, 
do slide presentation, etc., as if they had been using them all their 
lives.

> For a windows user the start up curve to begin using these systems was 
> ZERO.
> 
> Ask your skeptics what brand of vehicle they drive. Then ask them if
> they think they would have any problem driving one of the other brands.
> 
> The controls are pretty well standardized even though they don't look
> the same.  It only takes a few moments to get used to driving a
> different car.   Same principle applies here.
> 
> 
> 
> #2 - Linux is the future, not Windows.  Take a look at :
> http://www.ocean-usa.org/oitc/event329.php 
> (Thats me, presenting at the head of the room. :)
> 
> Students who use Linux will actually be better prepared for the future
> than those stuck on Windows.
> 
> On the right hand side, under "presentation slides" you will find 
> a link to a powerpoint file.  I created that presentation in 
> OpenOffice- Impress and saved it in powerpoint format.
> 
> If you have any trouble getting the file let me know.
> 
> In this presentation you will find numbers about how
> many organizations and countries are adopting Linux.
> 
> If the current trends continue, The number of microsoft desktop
> users will begin shrinking in about 4 to 6 years.  The Linux desktop
> user's are currently growing at rates in excess of 1000 % a year.
> (for example SUN signed a contract to put SUN's JDS (A linux based
> desktop) on 200 million chinese desktops,  The contract calls for 
> 500,000 desktops to be installed the first year.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Anthony Baldwin
http://www.School-Library.net
Freedom to Learn!

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From troybanther at plateautel.net  Sat May 29 17:57:36 2004
From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 11:57:36 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration
	about Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B88262.7060003@gwi.net>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
	<40B7D54A.3030602@cmosnetworks.com>  <40B88262.7060003@gwi.net>
Message-ID: <1085853456.3088.50.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Here are my selling points:

Windows, Macintosh, or Linux. No operating system is perfect or comes
without its own set of unique hassles. But Linux, by design, has more
strengths and less weaknesses as an operating system than other
platforms except maybe BSD. BSD is a little deamon to itself.

Security. While Linux is not absolutely immune to viruses it come
extremely close. The design model behind it was built with security in
mind. Security flaws, when found, are generally repaired within "hours"
of discovery not weeks or months.

Stability. As a PC support technician I dread the reboot cycle of
Windows. Even in XP, though reduced, it still exists. The BSOD, well,
good lord, don't get me started. Even in 2003 Server, from experience, I
dread making drastic changes for fear of taking down or crashing the
whole system for stopping or starting a needed service daemon.   

Power. Linux, even Fedora Core, is designed to bring the power and
flexibility of an enterprise-level server to the user. It can be used as
a personal or educational desktop, a business workstation. It can be
brought up as a "proof-of-concept" server for home, education, and
business purposes.

Licenses. I recently was invited to the "Southeast New Mexico IT
Exchange" hosted by Eastern New Mexico University. In attendance was
ENMU (my Alma Mater), Clovis Community College, New Mexico Military
Institute, Mesaland Community College, etc. There was also a beer-gutted
(no joke) regional sales rep from Microsoft as-well-as reps from Respec,
Ingegrity, etc.

Aside from the lousy 20-minute presentation he mumbled through, his
coverage of the licenses were clear. Keep a copy of your licenses and we
can make special deals with institutions - especially the K-12 market.
Only one other institution, not mine since we are a closed shop, were
looking into open source alternatives

Money. As an educational institution you are going to have to pay for
something. But software, new and upgrades, in Linux are almost "zero".
As I have read Mr. Marcel Gagne, in his book, Moving to Linux: Kiss the
Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!, say, "Free software for Linux is almost
an embarrassment of riches."

The largest fear for a school board, a business, or an individual is the
proverbial technological step into the unknown. The Redmond crew has and
continues to make billions in licensing fees off of this fear of change.
What they have learned in another operating system "can" be taken into
this new world of Linux.

Wow. It's amazing what eight hours of sleep will do to clear the mind
after a day of Windows installs.

-- 
Troy Banther, Avid Fedora Linux User
http://banther-trx.homeunix.com
-----------------------------------------
Live in Clovis or Portales, NM and need
work done on your computer. E-mail me.




From robark at telus.net  Sat May 29 19:38:03 2004
From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 12:38:03 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Watchteacher
In-Reply-To: <40B69839.8070301@netscape.net>
References: <200405252230.41202.robark@telus.net>
	<200405271705.22051.robark@telus.net>
	<40B69839.8070301@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <200405291238.03096.robark@telus.net>

I understand that both the teacher and the students are to login with a  
username like "vncuser" and that the teacher logs in with the 
fullcontrolpassword and students log in with readonlypassword. But what 
password do I enter when I actually create the "vncuser" user. 

Robert Arkiletian

On Thursday 27 May 2004 6:39 pm, norbert wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I beleive the syntax should be vncviewer localhost:99  -via
> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx then you'll be presented with a login window & you can
> enter the username & password
>
> norbert
>
> robark at telus.net wrote:
> >On Wednesday 26 May 2004 5:46 am, David Trask wrote:
> >>robark at telus.net writes:
> >>>Personally I think this would be a super idea to ship built-in as part
> >>> of k12ltsp.
> >>>
> >>>this is an older method
> >>>http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/vncreflector-how-to.ht
> >>>ml
> >>
> >>It's not old....I wrote it this past fall.  It's based on the other
> >>one....just simplified and Eric rewrote a couple lines in the GUI part to
> >>get it to ID the workstations correctly.  It works....I'm using it.
> >
> >Okay I tried it. But when I try to run
> >
> >vncviewer localhost:99
> >
> >and type in the full control password I get
> >
> >"VNC Authentication Failed"
> >
> >Any ideas? I would really like to get this working. BTW I am using 3.1.2
> > and I noticed you posted a message saying you were having problems with
> > vnc-reflector working with it.
> >
> >Robert Arkiletian
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >K12OSN mailing list
> >K12OSN at redhat.com
> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
> >For more info see 




From nbs at sonic.net  Sun May 30 01:15:43 2004
From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 18:15:43 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about
	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040528153651.02e4c660@michiana.org>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost> <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
	<4.3.2.7.2.20040528153651.02e4c660@michiana.org>
Message-ID: <20040530011543.GA27955@sonic.net>

On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 03:52:29PM -0500, Tom Brown wrote:
> -snip-
> 
> > to Linux Desktop or that city in Florida that has many thin 
> >clients.  Let me know what you find as I have the same task in front of me.
> 
> Just to get you started: Largo, FL.


I'll throw my 2c in. :)  I've been compiling articles on my LUG site on
a page called "Reasons to Avoid Microsoft."  The reasons actually run the
gamut, from "virus X steals your credit cards" to "Microsoft's licensing
forces schools to buy Windows, even for their Macs", and includes a few of
the real good "So-n-so is now using Linux and saved $$$".

  http://www.lugod.org/microsoft/

Sources are quite varied, including CNet News, The Register, BBC News, CNN,
Slashdot, eWeek... you name it.  (Unfortunately, many of the links have since
passed on... stupid news sites! >:^( ... but I always quote the most
interesting snippets under each headline.)

This was actually linked-to in one of the Halloween document pages last year.
Quite an honor!


Enjoy!

-bill!
bill at newbreedsoftware.com              C is like an industrial strength
http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/       nail gun; if wielded improperly,
New Breed Software                       it can cause untold carnage.




From nbs at sonic.net  Sun May 30 01:34:08 2004
From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 18:34:08 -0700
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about
	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <1085853456.3088.50.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
	<40B7D54A.3030602@cmosnetworks.com> <40B88262.7060003@gwi.net>
	<1085853456.3088.50.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040530013408.GB27955@sonic.net>

On Sat, May 29, 2004 at 11:57:36AM -0600, troy banther wrote:
> Security. While Linux is not absolutely immune to viruses it come
> extremely close. The design model behind it was built with security in
> mind. Security flaws, when found, are generally repaired within "hours"
> of discovery not weeks or months.

To add to this... do NOT let people argue with you that "Linux doesn't have
viruses cuz it's not as popular as Windows."  That may be one factor,
but Linux is simply DESIGNED better, as Troy was pointing out.

  http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/personaltechnology/2001872755_ptlinux060.html

  http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/36029.html


> Stability. As a PC support technician I dread the reboot cycle of
> Windows. Even in XP, though reduced, it still exists.

Tell me about it.  Anyone here ever hear of a little VB Script called
"WinSockFix?"  I hadn't either, until the other day when my work laptop
decided that it didn't understand _TCP/IP_ any more!

Thankfully I had my Zaurus (Linux-based) PDA handy, with its wireless
card, and I had a little CF card reader in my WinXP laptop.  An hour of
Google'ing later, and I finally found this little script.

Oddly, I had to run it AGAIN the next day!  I'm going to insist my
boss give me a fresh WinXP install, if he wishes me to continue using it.
;^)


> Licenses.


While I'm not doing school IT, I would like to add that the only
software I've actually had to _purchase_ in the last few years has
been games for my PlayStation2 / GameCube / GameBoy / Atari Lynx.

(Also bought some games for Linux and for my Zaurus PDA. ;^) )


-bill!
bill at newbreedsoftware.com              C is like an industrial strength
http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/       nail gun; if wielded improperly,
New Breed Software                       it can cause untold carnage.




From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us  Sun May 30 02:52:50 2004
From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 22:52:50 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Watchteacher
In-Reply-To: <200405291238.03096.robark@telus.net>
References: <200405252230.41202.robark@telus.net> <	>
	<200405271705.22051.robark@telus.net> <	>
	<40B69839.8070301@netscape.net>
	<200405291238.03096.robark@telus.net>
Message-ID: 

robark at telus.net writes:
>But what 
>password do I enter when I actually create the "vncuser" user.

whatever you want

David N. Trask
Technology Teacher/Coordinator
Vassalboro Community School
dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us
(207)923-3100




From jhansknecht at hanstech.com  Sun May 30 20:47:49 2004
From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht)
Date: 30 May 2004 16:47:49 -0400
Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's
	administration about Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
References: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
Message-ID: <1085922051.3996.23.camel@L143nb01>

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 14:49, Joseph Bishay wrote:

> It seems rumours within the school's administration/board abound that 
> the lab we have is totally useless for preparing students for future 
> computer use/education.
> 
> Background: we are a small private Christian elementary school with a 
> very limited budget and basic staffing. The school board is also made 
> up of people who have no experience in teaching (mostly business 
> people) and they don't interact with the school directly (IE: they're 
> completely out of touch).
> 
> What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have 
> IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE: Doesn't need to 
> be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto) there is no ministry-
> mandated computer curriculum, so essentially the lab is used as a 
> reference room for other subjects. 

I worked with a teacher at the school to write a report that explains
why teaching specific applications at the elementary school level is a
mistake. The report describes how kids need to learn how to use
computers, not how to use one specific application to handle one
specific problem. At the early level we are actually better off
challenging students with the 'different' so that as they grow older and
run in to the thousands of different application in the world they will
have an advantage because they know how to learn how to use software.
-- 

Thanks,

John Hansknecht

"I would like to be able to love my country and justice too."
			Albert Camus
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From k12osn at collinsoft.com  Sun May 30 21:06:24 2004
From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 17:06:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration about
	Linux?
In-Reply-To: <40B7518B.6371.DD25FA7@localhost>
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 28 May 2004, Joseph Bishay wrote:
> After finally setting up everything and having the lab running 
> smoothly, some issues have arisen.
> 
> It seems rumours within the school's administration/board abound that 
> the lab we have is totally useless for preparing students for future 
> computer use/education.
> 
> Background: we are a small private Christian elementary school with a 
> very limited budget and basic staffing. The school board is also made 
> up of people who have no experience in teaching (mostly business 
> people) and they don't interact with the school directly (IE: they're 
> completely out of touch).
> 
> What would be the best way to reassure them that the system we have 
> IS able to prepare the students for the future (IE: Doesn't need to 
> be Windows)? Note that in our area (Toronto) there is no ministry-
> mandated computer curriculum, so essentially the lab is used as a 
> reference room for other subjects. 

My latest ammo has been this article from CNet News:
http://news.com.com/2100-1016-5189481.html

Basically, 80% of businesses still have Win95 or Win98 machines, and only 
62% of computers at firms with $50million in revenue are WinXP. Analysts 
estimate that 40 percent of the servers are still NT4. So when they tell 
you to run what's in the business world, ask them if that means Win95/98, 
W2K, WinXP? And then we get into what version of Office businesses are 
running. Office 95/97 is a lot different than Office XP. It's too much of 
a moving target. We've standardized on OpenOffice.org on the x86 machines 
and MS Office on our Macs (and this will change once the aqua version of 
Ooo comes out).

We are mostly Mac with one LTSP lab. Our latest success story is we had a 
2003 graduate get a job with a PR firm because she had a good basis of 
html and php (which we teach) and she had cross platform experience. This 
fresh HS graduate beat out people with associate and bachelor degrees!

-- 
Ryan Collins
Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools
http://www.kentoncityschools.org/





From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca  Mon May 31 02:56:33 2004
From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 20:56:33 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 2
Message-ID: <1085972193.7c5d1200jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca>

I just read on Slashdot.org that Fedora Core 2 is not what it is cooked up to be. ... http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/30/146209.shtml?tid=110&tid=187

I for one am anxiously awaiting the arrival of K12LTSP 4.1 on FC2 as I have an Adaptec SATA RAID card that I am hoping to run with kernel 2.6.x.  What is the reaction to others in the group to FC2.  Is it worth waiting for?  or should we wait longer?  I personally have not touched FC2, so from those who have, what is it like?  Is the above mentioned article justified?

??
Joe Guenther




From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org  Mon May 31 09:38:58 2004
From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 11:38:58 +0200
Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up swap over NFS
Message-ID: <40BAFD32.50409@shuttleworthfoundation.org>

Hi guys

I still don't know how to set up swap over NFS for my thin clients.

Will this work?
http://www.pcxperience.org/thinclient/documentation/nfsswapping.html

Or is there a simpler way to enable swap over NFS with K12LTSP?

Thanks a million
Jonathan




From sudev at mantraonline.com  Mon May 31 10:43:51 2004
From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 16:13:51 +0530
Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up swap over NFS
In-Reply-To: <40BAFD32.50409@shuttleworthfoundation.org>
References: <40BAFD32.50409@shuttleworthfoundation.org>
Message-ID: <1086000231.16789.2.camel@server.ltsp>

On Mon, 2004-05-31 at 15:08, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> I still don't know how to set up swap over NFS for my thin clients.
Assuming your basic K12LTSP system is working just add the two lines
below either in general section for all clients or specific client
section in the lts.conf file and that is it:
USE_NFS_SWAP       = Y
SWAPFILE_SIZE      = 64m

HTH
-- 
Sudev Barar
Learning Linux




From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org  Mon May 31 10:55:12 2004
From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 12:55:12 +0200
Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up swap over NFS
In-Reply-To: <1086000231.16789.2.camel@server.ltsp>
References: <40BAFD32.50409@shuttleworthfoundation.org>
	<1086000231.16789.2.camel@server.ltsp>
Message-ID: <40BB0F10.7020507@shuttleworthfoundation.org>

Sudev Barar wrote:

>On Mon, 2004-05-31 at 15:08, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>  
>
>>I still don't know how to set up swap over NFS for my thin clients.
>>    
>>
>Assuming your basic K12LTSP system is working just add the two lines
>below either in general section for all clients or specific client
>section in the lts.conf file and that is it:
>USE_NFS_SWAP       = Y
>SWAPFILE_SIZE      = 64m
>
>HTH
>  
>

Thanks! I'll try that out. I'm not actually at that school at the 
moment, but I'll forward the details and see if it works.

Thanks again.

-- 
Jonathan Carter
Ph (021) 970 1230 | Fax: (021) 970 1231
http://www.tsf.org.za/oscp
http://www.go-opensource.org.za
"The future is open, are you?"




From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org  Mon May 31 15:55:31 2004
From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:55:31 +0200
Subject: [K12OSN] Display driver problem
Message-ID: <40BB5573.4070508@shuttleworthfoundation.org>

Hi K12 list,

I have a problem with a school whose thin client are extremely slow. I 
first thought it was lack of RAM (24MB), but after enabling NFS swap I 
now suspect it is the display driver. It's a clgd5440 chip, and I'm 
using K12LTSP 4.0.0. What driver should I be using? If I use cirrus it 
comes up garbled, but it is fast. If I do that build-script thing it 
looks good, but it's extremely slow. Vesa has the same (slow) result.

If I choose XF86_SVGA it doesn't work either, but it shows me a list of 
cards which include clgd5436 and clgd 5446, but no 5440.

Is there another driver I can use? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Jonathan




From les at futuresource.com  Mon May 31 16:58:47 2004
From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 11:58:47 -0500
Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 2
In-Reply-To: <1085972193.7c5d1200jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca>
References: <1085972193.7c5d1200jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca>
Message-ID: <1086022726.27196.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com>

On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 21:56, Joe Guenther wrote:
> I just read on Slashdot.org that Fedora Core 2 is not what it is
> cooked up to be. ...
>  http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/30/146209.shtml?tid=110&tid=187

I have it running on a few boxes and haven't seen any showstopper
bugs.  I think the bad reviews were written by people who had
never run an X.0 Redhat release or they've forgotten how bad
they were and how much got fixed by the X.2 version. The switch
to ALSA sound drivers will probably break some systems that used
to work.  Firewire will probably be fixed in an update - if you
need that you'll have to wait.

---
  Les Mikesell
   les at futuresource.com





From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com  Mon May 31 21:50:48 2004
From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:50:48 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] Do I miss something ?
Message-ID: <40BBA8B8.3050908@criticalcontrol.com>


Hi K12LTSP fans :

I am fairly new to this stuff and was wondering about how you guys 
handle different types of terminals.

As far as I can see you have to make sure that a certain terminal gets 
the same IP number each time (DHCP & mac address)
and then you can tweak certain thing in lts.conf... no?
In my opinion this gets ugly quite fast, is there a better way?

Example I got 10 clients with a cirrus video card





From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com  Mon May 31 21:54:52 2004
From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:54:52 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] Do I miss something ? part2
In-Reply-To: <40BBA8B8.3050908@criticalcontrol.com>
References: <40BBA8B8.3050908@criticalcontrol.com>
Message-ID: <40BBA9AC.4090600@criticalcontrol.com>

Hi K12LTSP fans :

I am fairly new to this stuff and was wondering about how you guys 
handle different types of terminals.

As far as I can see you have to make sure that a certain terminal gets 
the same IP number each time (DHCP & mac address)
and then you can tweak certain thing in lts.conf... no?
In my opinion this gets ugly quite fast, is there a better way?

Example I got 10 clients with a cirrus video card and 10 with another card.
If I set the XSERVER = cirrus
10 pc work fine the 10 other are blank.
when I change the setting to auto
The other 10 pc's do work...
So this means 10 entries and 10 fixed DHCP leases?

Hints appreciated

Peter





From christiansen_j at hotmail.com  Mon May 31 22:12:04 2004
From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 16:12:04 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration ab out	
Message-ID: 

About Linux-

It is being used everywhere AND net/admin people are having a greater burden 
trying to ignore it.

I'm using it in grades 8 to 12 on servers for webserving, DNS, backup, 
firewalling, content filtering, thin clients and standalones on about 100 
boxes now.

I just got back from the other side of the continent - literally - and 
Memorial University had a big surprise for me.

I sat down at a box in the main library with my little tiny sheet of paper 
listing my logon and password.  I pressed the shift key and what did I see?  
A modified kde logon.

The admins had setup a win98 image as one of the boot options in gdm.  Every 
user had a great system to utilize.  I used linux. as manyu others around 
me.

Any system admin who disses linux has their heads up their as@#s.

It works, it is cheap, it is powerful, it is quicker to admin.  I'm alone 
here- a one man show- and with this list I have never had a down minute.  
Period.

Jim Christiansen

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From microman at cmosnetworks.com  Mon May 31 22:12:56 2004
From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 18:12:56 -0400
Subject: [K12OSN] Do I miss something ? part2
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It has been suggested on this list that certain Cirrus-based cards, and 
in particular ones using the 5440 chipset, not be used due to being 
"junk". Is there any way you can swap out those Cirrus video boards for, 
say, S3 Trio64's or ATI 3D Rage Pros? If you can, then they'll be 
autodetected, and you don't need to set XSERVER manually. One one 
network, I have thin clients, not all of which have the same video 
chipset, and X11 autodetects them perfectly. The ones I personally have 
tried are as follows:

S3 Trio64 (PCI)
ATI 3D Rage Pro (both PCI and AGP)
S3 ViRGE 325 (PCI)
S3 ViRGE 375 (PCI)
ATI Radeon 7500 (AGP) Yes, I know--just slight overkill--but it does 
work. :-)

All five are on my home network, and all five are autodetected fine. 
Basically, the rule is, with few exceptions, that as long as your video 
board is PCI or AGP, and it's supported by XFree86 in the first place 
(say, as a "fat" client), then you should be good to go.

--TP

Pete wrote:

> Hi K12LTSP fans :
>
> I am fairly new to this stuff and was wondering about how you guys 
> handle different types of terminals.
>
> As far as I can see you have to make sure that a certain terminal gets 
> the same IP number each time (DHCP & mac address)
> and then you can tweak certain thing in lts.conf... no?
> In my opinion this gets ugly quite fast, is there a better way?
>
> Example I got 10 clients with a cirrus video card and 10 with another 
> card.
> If I set the XSERVER = cirrus
> 10 pc work fine the 10 other are blank.
> when I change the setting to auto
> The other 10 pc's do work...
> So this means 10 entries and 10 fixed DHCP leases?
>
> Hints appreciated
>
> Peter
>




From troybanther at plateautel.net  Mon May 31 23:01:01 2004
From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:01:01 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] Best approach to calm the school's administration ab out
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1086044461.3496.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>


> Any system admin who disses linux has their heads up their as@#s.
> 
> It works, it is cheap, it is powerful, it is quicker to admin.  I'm alone 
> here- a one man show- and with this list I have never had a down minute.  
> Period.
> 
> Jim Christiansen

I agree. There are quite a few "other platform" sys admins with their
heads located... . I love this list. It's nice to know their is a group
of knowledgeable people to draw from when the need arises.

Troy 


-- 
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work done on your computer. E-mail me.




From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca  Mon May 31 23:53:02 2004
From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:53:02 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] Do I miss something ? part2
Message-ID: <1086047582.b21cacc0jguenther@chinooksedge.ab.ca>

Pete

When a client computer boots, the first thing it looks for is the DHCP server.  There the client gets its IP address, host name and boot file.  The dhcpd.conf file can be populated with the mac address (the hardcoded hardware address of the network card in the client)

= = =  EXAMPLE DHCPD.CONF file .... this is only the later part of the file ... the top part of the file is left that way it comes from the installation
    host ws003 {
        hardware ethernet     00:D0:09:30:28:B2;
        fixed-address         192.168.0.3;
        # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/
        filename              "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.bin";
    }

#Compaq Deskpro PIII-600
    host ws005 {
        hardware ethernet     00:D0:B7:C8:A8:4D;
        fixed-address         192.168.0.5;
        # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/
        filename              "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin";
    }

#Compaq Deskpro 4000S P233MMX, 32Mb RAM
    host ws006 {
        hardware ethernet     00:01:03:C1:5F:B2;
        fixed-address         192.168.0.6;
        # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/
        filename              "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin";
    }

#PAC P133, 32Mb RAM
    host ws007 {
        hardware ethernet     00:01:02:DA:EF:43;
        fixed-address         192.168.0.7;
        # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/
        filename              "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin";
    }

#HUGO PII-300, 32Mb RAM - on end of row...
    host ws008 {
        hardware ethernet     00:01:03:68:F3:F5;
        fixed-address         192.168.0.8;
        # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/
        filename              "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin";
    }


THEN the host names here correspond with the entires in the LTS.CONF file....
# Compaq Deskpro 4000S P233MMX, 32Mb RAM
[ws006]
        XSERVER            = auto
	X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL   = "IMPS/2"
        LOCAL_APPS         = N
        USE_NFS_SWAP       = N
        SWAPFILE_SIZE      = 48m

#PAC P133, 32Mb RAM
[ws007]
	XSERVER            = cirrus
	X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL   = "Microsoft"
	X_MOUSE_DEVICE     = "/dev/ttyS1"
	X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50
	X_MOUSE_BUTTONS    = 3
	X_MOUSE_BAUD       = 1200
        LOCAL_APPS         = N
        USE_NFS_SWAP       = N
        SWAPFILE_SIZE      = 48m
	X_MODE_0 = 1024x768  65      1024 1048 1184 1344   768 771 777 806  -hsync -vsync


#HUGO PII-300, 32Mb RAM - on end of row...
[ws008]
	XSERVER            = auto
	X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL   = "Microsoft"
	X_MOUSE_DEVICE     = "/dev/ttyS0"
	X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50
	X_MOUSE_BUTTONS    = 3
	X_MOUSE_BAUD       = 1200
        LOCAL_APPS         = N
        USE_NFS_SWAP       = N
        SWAPFILE_SIZE      = 48m
        #   X_MODE_0 = 800x600   40       800  840  968 1056   600 601 605 628  +hsync +vsync


notice how you can specify numerous variables specific to that client ... the VGA card, a serial mouse, an attached printer, the video resolution, swap file size, etc.

Configure those two files and viola! ... life will be happy.

greetings
Joe Guenther

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete 
To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." 
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:54:52 -0600
Subject: [K12OSN] Do I miss something ? part2

Hi K12LTSP fans :

I am fairly new to this stuff and was wondering about how you guys 
handle different types of terminals.

As far as I can see you have to make sure that a certain terminal gets 
the same IP number each time (DHCP & mac address)
and then you can tweak certain thing in lts.conf... no?
In my opinion this gets ugly quite fast, is there a better way?

Example I got 10 clients with a cirrus video card and 10 with another card.
If I set the XSERVER = cirrus
10 pc work fine the 10 other are blank.
when I change the setting to auto
The other 10 pc's do work...
So this means 10 entries and 10 fixed DHCP leases?

Hints appreciated

Peter



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