[K12OSN] Think to use open source????

Thu May 20 08:09:51 UTC 2004

Hi Huck!

While i agree that to much complexity is bad its also something i have
come to like when i amdin linux. The lack of a layer between the user and
the system makes it transparent if you only leearn how it works. As an
admin its a wonderful fealing to know you can repair something instead of
just reinstall it and hope for the best as in many other systems. I also
saves considerable amounts of time. The ability to tweak things is also
something good. What you ask for, an easy system for someone who dont want
to see the inners of a system exists. There are linux dists that is very
easy to use like Xandros or Lindows etc.

As for a server OS we have seen that an OS that is easy on the surface can
be hard as hell to manage in reality. Especially if you take one little
step off the guided path.

In fact Microsoft has been taking some notes about why linux is so nice in
a big network and is implementing a couple of things that is cloned from
*nix. The CLI is one example. Why should we move away from things
Microsoft has aknowledged as an advantage over Windows?

> Huck,
>
> wouldn't it be nice if we didn't all have to do the same thinking over and
> over.  Why not let someone do the thinking once.  Do we all have to
> re-invent the wheel?  In that sense lots of open source software expects
> too
> much of the end user.  Only once that level of complexity is simplfied for
> those that need it, will open source software be as successful as
> Microsoft
> has been.  MS products have a great polish and finish.  OK, sometimes it
> does too much too automatically - drives me nuts sometimes, but where
> would
> the computing world be without all the wonderful interface that Windows
> has
> brought to us.  I remember when Win3.1 came along ... it empowered us to
> do
> scalable fonts. That was BIG when compared to each DOS program doing its
> own
> fonts, printers, etc.
>
> So lets set our goals and visions high. Expect great things from open
> source.  Don't be satisfied with a half-cook bunch of software.  I fully
> agree with you that OpenSource has been a FANTASTIC addition to our life.
> It
> will be as big a revolution as the Windows on the PC revolution. There are
> SO MANY reasons to get onto OpenSource software, but for it to be really
> world changing, there are still many things that are too complicated ...
> your example of not being able to figure out the configuration is a
> perfect
> example.  Why do we all have to bring along our own seatbelts, install
> them,
> etc.  Why can't we just sit down, buckle up and enjoy the ride?
>
> my little rant for the afternoon...
> joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On
> Behalf Of Huck
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:24 PM
> To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.'
> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager
>
>
> egads!!! finally...
> the transparent proxy deal works fine I guess...
> I was having the hanging indefinately and thought it was a
> "squid/dansguardian" issue...
> apparently no proxy settings required.  yahoo! wonderific...
> I honestly don't understand how people can build any sort of a valid
> arguement against open source =)
> the tools, and software available are just awesome!!! even if it does
> take some tweaking to make it work...
> I suppose windows can just say "our software is for idiots"  plug it
> in...and let it take you for a ride.
> and Open source says "warning, you might have to THINK to use this
> product, be forewarned" =)
>
> --Huck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:46 PM
> To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.'
> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager
>
>
> I have never used the software before but I just pulled up a screenshot
> of the software from their site to see what you are talking about. After
> looking at the "Publishing address (e.g.:
> 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'):" section and also seeing that there
> is login information below I may have an idea.  It looks like you should
> treat it like a normail ftp client, give it the domain in the Publishing
> address section and the logon credentials in the Login Information
> section.  So if ftp://username:password@ftp.yourdomain.com works in a
> Firefox then the Publishing address would be ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com
> and the Login information would be Username: username and Password:
> password.  You may want to try and see if that works quick (if you
> haven't already).  Now if inside that folder you have a public_html
> folder that the files have to reside in and you are unable to navigate
> there manually you may have to edit the Publishing address to be
> ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com/public_html so they export to the right
> location.
>
> Good luck
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com
>> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:20 PM
>> To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.'
>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all of the ideas guys...no luck on any of them..
>> in Firefox if I ftp://<username>:<passwd>@<site>   it works fine...
>> even ftp://<username>@<site>  works and just opens a little
>> window to input passwd...
>>
>> but in Nvu no such luck...
>> going to make updating the site a pain...(at least with this
>> product for
>> now)
>>
>> --Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com
>> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Les Bell
>>
>> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:31 PM
>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools.
>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager
>>
>>
>>
>> "Huck" <dhuckaby at paasda.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> I can't get it to retrieve the files from the remote server.
>>
>> apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g.
>> 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means..
>> <<
>>
>> Huck, have you tried using an http:// URL, rather than an FTP
>> one? Most web page design tools I've seen have used http to
>> *fetch* the pages - after all, that's the protocol the web
>> server uses - and then uses FTP to publish or upload them.
>>
>> I just used an http:// URL to fetch my own home page with
>> Nvu, using File
>> -> Open Web Location, and it worked like I'd expect.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP
>> [http://www.lesbell.com.au]
>>
>>
>>
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