From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Nov 1 00:23:37 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:23:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Definitive guide to editing gnome menus? In-Reply-To: <4184A892.20203@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <417E38B6.1090704@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098795270.14150.1.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> <417F4C76.4000000@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <41813EDF.2030303@criticalcontrol.com> <4184A892.20203@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <41858209.1040104@cmosnetworks.com> Personally, I do like KDE. I let my kids use any window manager on the system that they wish, be it GNOME, KDE, XFce, or IceWM. The kids have gravitated naturally toward GNOME and KDE, with an apparent slight preference for KDE. I actually don't restrict very much the applications that they're allowed to run, and I've discovered that they end up (surprise!) simply doing their work. Sure, I've had the occasional kid who's blown up his desktop, but usually they discover workarounds (and learn something in the process, BTW, about computers generally--never a bad thing), and my solution is to save their data, their entries in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, blow away their home directories, put their data back, recreate their userID and password with the original /etc/shadow entries, and boom, they're back in business w/ a default desktop. Takes me about ten minutes. Since they've just lost their 31337 h4xz to their desktop and have to take time to recreate them, they tend not to repeat what they did to mess things up before. :-) And yes, they brag about how since they're "using Linux," they're so much better than their Windows-using "|_00z34z". Ain't kids a riot? :-D --TP Debbie Schiel wrote: > So how about KDE? What do people think of KDE as a window/menu > manager? Or should I just stick with Icewm? > > Pete wrote: > >> Debbie Schiel wrote: >> >>> Hi Bimal, and thanks for your tips. I gave them a go (step by step, >>> no errors produced) but they have had no effect. >>> You say that it works for redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2. >>> I am using Fedora Core 2 with whatever came as default with k12ltsp >>> 4.1.0 - is that the same as your setup? If it is then I must be >>> doing something wrong and I will try it again, otherwise it means >>> that this method doesn't work with K12ltsp 4.1.0. >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> >>> Debbie >> >> >> >> AFAIK gnome menu editing is broke in gnome 2.6 (2.4 LTSP 4.0 works I >> did it!) >> I tried the same with gnome 2.6 but NO joy :-( >> >> I ended up by giving everybody the same restricted menu except when >> they belong to 'root' group. >> The 'stupid' but effective thing I did... >> making the .desktop files NOT readable by others >> .desktop files can be found in /usr/share/applications (and other dir.) >> >> Pete >> > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 1 01:39:04 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:39:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet connection In-Reply-To: <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> References: <9326098004103005272dabeb08@mail.gmail.com> <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Message-ID: <418593B8.5010903@earthlink.net> Lee Myrick wrote: > I'm interested to know what type of internet connection people are > using for a 30-40 client project. I would think things would bog down > terribly with a typical DSL connection, but I don't have experience > with this, so I don't really know. > > Leland Myrick > We have roughly 100, maybe 120 clients and use 3 DSL lines (three internal Sangoma modems instead of the crummy dsl modems provided by our ISP) and a load balancing script that manages the requests by passing them to different modems. The last time we checked, this was cheaper than some of the "bigger" solutions. Rita Gibson RMSEL From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Mon Nov 1 08:43:21 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:43:21 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm menu icons 32x32 Message-ID: <4185F729.3090207@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Well gnome & kde are more familiar for students and staff coming from a windows background, so it's a shame they aren't more user/admin friendly when it comes to menu editing, but I'm going for IceWM - simply because I can edit the /icewm/menu file and hey presto - the change is instantly there! IT'S QUICK & EASY!! IceWM Question #1 (after plenty of trying & searching!) - how do I get the larger 32x32 menu icons to show? they're in the same folder as 16x16 which *do* show. I've tried deleting the 16x16 and i've tried writing the whole path to the 32x32 icon, it just squashes the 32 to 16... IceWM Question #2 - I want to remove the "windows >" entry in the menu (above logout) because we won't be using the multiple desktops functionality... can it be done? Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Mon Nov 1 09:59:55 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:59:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS user authenticated OK but nothing works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411010959.56318.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Saturday 23 Oct 2004 10:49 pm, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hello, Is the NIS problem fixed? I use my K12LTSP server 3.1.x to > authenticate by NIS all of my standalone linux boxes... Things are working > for me, so maybe I can help. I can tell you that my students DO get "I > have no name" showing up in the an xterminal prompt, but everything does > work just fine for my thousands of logons every day. Jim G'day Jim thanks for your email; I've been on holiday so I haven't been able to reply. Yes it is all working now thanks. Your "I have no name" issue can be resolved by the uncommenting of these lines in /etc/ypserv.conf # * : * : passwd.byname : port # * : * : passwd.byuid : port if you uncomment these lines, an unprivaledges user cannot read the password map file and so their uid cannot be translated to a uname. Thus any application that needs to resolve uid to uname, (eg open office, abiword, koffice, etc, etc) will fail. This was the reason I could login but once logged nothing would work. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Nov 1 11:51:32 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 06:51:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet connection In-Reply-To: <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> References: <9326098004103005272dabeb08@mail.gmail.com> <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Message-ID: <41862344.9080507@msln.net> Lee Myrick wrote: > I'm interested to know what type of internet connection people are > using for a 30-40 client project. I would think things would bog down > terribly with a typical DSL connection, but I don't have experience > with this, so I don't really know. I have one site that is running roughly 400 concurent connections through a T-1. I have a squid proxy running with sarg for reporting on FC2 box at the gateway. I save between 30 and 45% by proxying. I do peg the T1 at high usage times. I'm currently looking into getting a cable modem from the local cable company to supplement that site. I check the sarg reports and block the non-essential sites that are sucking bandwidth. I try to limit the usage to just websites and keep a tight reign on downloads and streaming video/audio. -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From baci at harborcityschool.org Mon Nov 1 13:56:22 2004 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:56:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Just Interested In-Reply-To: <41862344.9080507@msln.net> Message-ID: <001201c4c01a$924fc300$c505000a@ebaci> We logged 1.01 Terabytes in Linux terminal services network traffic last month. 36 clients, 200+ students and staff users. How's this match with other's usage? Chris Bacigalupo, +++++++++++++++++++++++ Technical Coordinator Harbor City International School 332 W. Mich. St. Ste. 300 Duluth, MN 55802 http://www.harborcityschool.org tel. (218) 722.7574 fax. (218) 625.6068 cel. (218) 428.1264 +++++++++++++++++++++++ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Nov 1 14:06:04 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:06:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Just Interested In-Reply-To: <001201c4c01a$924fc300$c505000a@ebaci> References: <001201c4c01a$924fc300$c505000a@ebaci> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, November 1, 2004 at 9:56 AM +0000 wrote: >We logged 1.01 Terabytes in Linux terminal services network traffic last >month. > >36 clients, 200+ students and staff users. > >How's this match with other's usage? how'd you measure it? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Nov 1 14:06:04 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:06:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Just Interested In-Reply-To: <001201c4c01a$924fc300$c505000a@ebaci> References: <001201c4c01a$924fc300$c505000a@ebaci> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, November 1, 2004 at 9:56 AM +0000 wrote: >We logged 1.01 Terabytes in Linux terminal services network traffic last >month. > >36 clients, 200+ students and staff users. > >How's this match with other's usage? how'd you measure it? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Nov 1 14:57:24 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:57:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation help In-Reply-To: <1099240690.418514f26a0fa@sages.us> References: <1099240690.418514f26a0fa@sages.us> Message-ID: <41864ED4.6040902@inlandlakes.org> Jim Hays wrote: > I am looking for "success stories" to include in the presentation. Can any of I gave a presentation at the MAEDS conference in early October here in Northern Michigan about our rollout this past summer. It includes the successes and some problems. Feel free to check out the presentation. If there are parts that are confusing, just drop me an email and I'll explain. http://www.inlandlakes.org/~spowers/maeds -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Nov 1 14:09:04 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:09:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm menu icons 32x32 In-Reply-To: <4185F729.3090207@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <4185F729.3090207@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, November 1, 2004 at 4:43 AM +0000 wrote: >Well gnome & kde are more familiar for students and staff coming from a >windows background, so it's a shame they aren't more user/admin friendly >when it comes to menu editing, but I'm going for IceWM - simply because >I can edit the /icewm/menu file and hey presto - the change is instantly >there! IT'S QUICK & EASY!! > >IceWM Question #1 (after plenty of trying & searching!) - how do I get >the larger 32x32 menu icons to show? dunno, but I too would like to know > > >they're in the same folder as 16x16 which *do* show. I've tried deleting >the 16x16 and i've tried writing the whole path to the 32x32 icon, it >just squashes the 32 to 16... Same here > > >IceWM Question #2 - I want to remove the "windows >" entry in the menu >(above logout) because we won't be using the multiple desktops >functionality... can it be done? This I can answer....it's in the Preferences file....find the line referencing the multiple desktops and Windows and comment it out. I highly recommend using "icecc" for a GUI to edit IceWM menus and toolbars....it works fantastic! Disregard the error message when you first launch icecc it just means you have to navigate to the icewm folder at /usr/share/icewm > >Thanks, > >Debbie >-- >http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Nov 1 14:09:04 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:09:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm menu icons 32x32 In-Reply-To: <4185F729.3090207@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <4185F729.3090207@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, November 1, 2004 at 4:43 AM +0000 wrote: >Well gnome & kde are more familiar for students and staff coming from a >windows background, so it's a shame they aren't more user/admin friendly >when it comes to menu editing, but I'm going for IceWM - simply because >I can edit the /icewm/menu file and hey presto - the change is instantly >there! IT'S QUICK & EASY!! > >IceWM Question #1 (after plenty of trying & searching!) - how do I get >the larger 32x32 menu icons to show? dunno, but I too would like to know > > >they're in the same folder as 16x16 which *do* show. I've tried deleting >the 16x16 and i've tried writing the whole path to the 32x32 icon, it >just squashes the 32 to 16... Same here > > >IceWM Question #2 - I want to remove the "windows >" entry in the menu >(above logout) because we won't be using the multiple desktops >functionality... can it be done? This I can answer....it's in the Preferences file....find the line referencing the multiple desktops and Windows and comment it out. I highly recommend using "icecc" for a GUI to edit IceWM menus and toolbars....it works fantastic! Disregard the error message when you first launch icecc it just means you have to navigate to the icewm folder at /usr/share/icewm > >Thanks, > >Debbie >-- >http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Nov 1 14:13:16 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:13:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? Message-ID: Hi all, I'm researching this issue for a colleague in another school. His school currently uses FirstClass for email and conferencing stuff (http://www.firstclass.com/) (nice product...I'm using it right now to type this) but they need to move to an Open Source program as the funding has dried up. Anyone have any recommendations for groupware style apps that are similar? Being able to post to conferences for collaboration without mass emailing everyone would be a big plus. It would also be a plus if it'll work on an E-Smith/SME server. Let me know your recommendations..... :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 15:07:05 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:07:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix cluster Message-ID: I have some questions about the OpenMosix setup on the mesd.k12 site. Since clustering would seem to hold a lot of promise for those on limited budgets, I thought I'd post my questions to the list. I set it up, and it seems to be working. I've had a couple of funny things happen, but I don't know if they are related to the OM setup, or are just happening. (Sometimes I've launched a program, and it just seems to not launch; I'm also getting some kind of OpenOffice error from one of the two workstations I set up.) Question 1: Is anyone else using this setup and is it working? (The README says it is still experiemental.) Question 2: I had to set it up with K12LTSP 4.0.1, since there seems to be some kind of problem with the OM kernel and Fedora Core 2. Anyone else experienced that? Question 3: Is there any good documentation on this kind of an OpenMosix setup with LTSP, where the workstations themselves provide processor/memory? Does this kind of a cluster have a name? Question 4: If this really allows the local processors to handle the load when you set them to do so, then is this a shortcut to local processing when you have powerful client machines? Question 5: It would seem that the clustering would allow the running of many more processes, but may not necessarily speed anything up--is that accurate? What are the primary gains from clustering in an LTSP environment? Where does it make sense to use? Hope this thread proves useful, Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From bill at computassist.com Mon Nov 1 15:07:12 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:07:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm menu icons 32x32 In-Reply-To: <4185F729.3090207@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <4185F729.3090207@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <20041101090712.0d92a4ec@heaven> On Monday, Nov 01 Debbie Schiel wrote: > IceWM Question #1 (after plenty of trying & searching!) - how do I get > the larger 32x32 menu icons to show? I think their FAQ answers this question. Go to http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ-9.html#ss9.8 -- Bill Bardon From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Nov 1 15:09:36 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:09:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <418651B0.2060008@inlandlakes.org> David Trask wrote: > (http://www.firstclass.com/) (nice product...I'm using it right now to We switched from firstclass (which I HATED, it was horrible for me! Are you running it on a mac server? Mine required OS9.0.4... Oh the horrible server-locking-up memories... but I digress) and the staff was very upset when they lost the program. I never did find a program that would take it's place, and have settled for just web-based email (squirrelmail) since that's what 95% of the staff used FC for. If you find a workable solution, please share with the list. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Nov 1 17:17:45 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:17:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix cluster Message-ID: <1099329465.24030.32.camel@discovery.media.local> Steve, I can answer 2 and 5(sorta answers 4). I did a bit with openmosix right after I finished college. #2. FC2 uses a 2.6 kernel.... there isn't a 2.6 version of openmosix yet (Although the thin clients run 2.4, so you should still be able to take advantage of the clients, you'll just have to have a client or another system running as a "master" node). #5: I used OpenMosix to build a parallel processing cluster. Things like molecular modeling (not something done very much in k-12), and also computer graphics rendering (more of a chance). That way, you can farm out a job in povray, and have 40 thin-clients crunching on it instead of your server (Think Pixar & Weta). OpenMosix mainly migrates the execution of the program (not the memory, so whatever system it was started on still has the ram used...correct me if I am wrong). As some people have said in the past, some programs don't like to migrate properly (OpenOffice.org)? Not only that, a 500 meg process will REALLY, REALLY test your switch backplanes when it moves. I am going to be assisting a student with a science fair project, so we may tap into some of our thin-clients here for parallel processing. Ahh... brings back my memories of getting pvm, povray, and debian running on headless SGI Indy workstations (had about 20 of the suckers)... that was a royal pain... they sorta died after I left... Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Mon Nov 1 17:41:29 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:41:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41867549.4000307@criticalcontrol.com> David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm researching this issue for a colleague in another school. His school >currently uses FirstClass for email and conferencing stuff >(http://www.firstclass.com/) (nice product...I'm using it right now to >type this) but they need to move to an Open Source program as the funding >has dried up. Anyone have any recommendations for groupware style apps >that are similar? Being able to post to conferences for collaboration >without mass emailing everyone would be a big plus. It would also be a >plus if it'll work on an E-Smith/SME server. Let me know your >recommendations..... :-) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > kolab.org is new and probably to much bleeding edge... BUT cewl ;-) Peter -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh Linux Administrator (& advocate) CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From johnny at msad41.us Mon Nov 1 18:04:06 2004 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:04:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... In-Reply-To: <41783550.7030306@criticalcontrol.com> References: <41783550.7030306@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <1099332246.41867a96eb66d@msad41.us> >If anyone gets a chance to try it out...let me know how you made out....if > >you were successful I might give it a go on my production server....it > >runs on sshd so it may be a way for us to offer off site access to our > >servers....or by use of a WAN. Knoppix now comes with the client. But > >the client is free for all OS's. Check the site out....does anyone see > >why it wouldn't work on a stock K12LTSP server? (as another method of > >distributing the session?) > > Does anyone know what happened with the 'nomachine.com' website? I've been trying to get the FreeNX client software but the site is either down of gone...John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 1 18:29:24 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:29:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... In-Reply-To: <1099332246.41867a96eb66d@msad41.us> References: <41783550.7030306@criticalcontrol.com> <1099332246.41867a96eb66d@msad41.us> Message-ID: <41868084.1060706@cfl.rr.com> I'm running NX server on both an FC2 x86-64 dual Opteron server, and on another box using the stock standard K12LTSP 4.1.1, based on FC2. Check out this link on how to set up, it all works. > http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx/ John T. Leonard wrote: > >If anyone gets a chance to try it out...let me know how you made out....if > > >>>you were successful I might give it a go on my production server....it >>>runs on sshd so it may be a way for us to offer off site access to our >>>servers....or by use of a WAN. Knoppix now comes with the client. But >>>the client is free for all OS's. Check the site out....does anyone see >>>why it wouldn't work on a stock K12LTSP server? (as another method of >>>distributing the session?) >>> >>> >>> >Does anyone know what happened with the 'nomachine.com' website? I've been >trying to get the FreeNX client software but the site is either down of gone...John > > >John T. Leonard >Technology Coordinator >MSAD No. 41 >Penquis Valley HS/MS >48 Penquis Drive >Milo, Maine 04463 >Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 >Ph:207-943-5332 >Fax:207-943-0962 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From eworthy at shaw.ca Mon Nov 1 18:27:32 2004 From: eworthy at shaw.ca (Eric Worthy@home) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:27:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? In-Reply-To: <41867549.4000307@criticalcontrol.com> References: <41867549.4000307@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <41868014.20700@shaw.ca> I have no experience with any of these groupware products but it is clear there is LOTS of development going on in serveral fronts. There are three notable open source projects in various stages of maturity. Open Groupware and SKYRIX: whick is linked to and supported by the 'openoffice' boys http://www.opengroupware.org/en/index.html PHPProjekt: now in release 4.2 http://www.phprojekt.com/ hipergate: mostly a windows product but as it is java based and can use Postgresql has a version that will run on Linux. http://www.hipergate.org/about/ Those who may have experience with any of these products are encouraged to share. Eric From rfreidel at computergeex.com Mon Nov 1 18:25:39 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:25:39 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? Message-ID: <20041101.eQk.54572600@192.168.10.16> I recommend phpgroupware, www.phpgroupware.org, you can install it on any LAMP system or, bsd system as long as you have php & mysql installed, I am composing this email on it right now, we use it here in our office, plus i have installed it for schools, lawyer's, etc. I have reasearched the various php/mysql groupware packages and this one seems to have the most functionality. David Trask (dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us) wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm researching this issue for a colleague in another school. His school > currently uses FirstClass for email and conferencing stuff > (http://www.firstclass.com/) (nice product...I'm using it right now to > type this) but they need to move to an Open Source program as the funding > has dried up. Anyone have any recommendations for groupware style apps > that are similar? Being able to post to conferences for collaboration > without mass emailing everyone would be a big plus. It would also be a > plus if it'll work on an E-Smith/SME server. Let me know your > recommendations..... :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel This space intentionally left blank. http://leroy.homeunix.org From peden at americanphysicians.net Mon Nov 1 18:40:30 2004 From: peden at americanphysicians.net (Paul Eden) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:40:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? In-Reply-To: <41868014.20700@shaw.ca> References: <41867549.4000307@criticalcontrol.com> <41868014.20700@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1099334430.26949.103.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> Other projects of note would be: OPEN-XCHANGE http://mirror.open-xchange.org/ox/EN/community/ and Citadel (which is Kolab 1 compatible) This one claims to be very easy to install. http://www.citadel.org/ Paul Eden On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 11:27, Eric Worthy at home wrote: > I have no experience with any of these groupware products but it is > clear there is LOTS of development going on in serveral fronts. > There are three notable open source projects in various stages of maturity. > > Open Groupware and SKYRIX: whick is linked to and supported by the > 'openoffice' boys > > http://www.opengroupware.org/en/index.html > > PHPProjekt: now in release 4.2 > > http://www.phprojekt.com/ > > hipergate: mostly a windows product but as it is java based and can use > Postgresql has a version that will run on Linux. > > http://www.hipergate.org/about/ > > Those who may have experience with any of these products are encouraged > to share. > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From baci at harborcityschool.org Mon Nov 1 18:40:37 2004 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:40:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Just Interested In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c4c042$47bcda30$b605000a@ebaci> We use ipac (ip accounting) to track traffic on the nic of our terminal server >>baci -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:06 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Just Interested "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, November 1, 2004 at 9:56 AM +0000 wrote: >We logged 1.01 Terabytes in Linux terminal services network traffic >last month. > >36 clients, 200+ students and staff users. > >How's this match with other's usage? how'd you measure it? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From steven at Stevensantos.com Mon Nov 1 19:20:23 2004 From: steven at Stevensantos.com (steven at Stevensantos.com) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:20:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Groupware recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20041101170035.680BE734CC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000901c4c047$d64df220$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> >> (http://www.firstclass.com/) (nice product...I'm using it right now to > We switched from firstclass (which I HATED, it was horrible for me! Are > you running it on a mac server? Mine required OS9.0.4... Oh the > horrible server-locking-up memories... but I digress) and the staff was > very upset when they lost the program. I never did find a program that > would take it's place, and have settled for just web-based email > (squirrelmail) since that's what 95% of the staff used FC for. > If you find a workable solution, please share with the list. :) Ahh that was the day. I ran a Firstclass once upon a time. GComm and WildCat! are still sold in this nitch, but if you are looking for OSS, the only one I know of (also based on an old school BBS system) is www.synchro.net (Win + Linux versions). Development looks a bit stagnant, but it is OSS. If I were to recreate this functionality (and ditch the nostalgia), I think I would just set up an NNTP server (if you don't already have one), and then add PHPNuke/PHPBB (7.1), Newssync (for NNTP groups), FMC (for mailing lists) and one of the many Nuke email front ends to your web server. I recently saw an add-on for PHP-Nuke 7 that uses LDAP authentication (and PHPBB authenticates against Nuke). A little tweaking and I bet you could even make the system use existing groups (stored in LDAP) to control access to forums and such, for the most part eliminating the need to maintain two databases. This way students (and teachers) would have access to what they need regardless of what they use and where they are, and it should continue to work with any existing email/NNTP setups to boot. Or maybe try one of the exchange replacements (I haven't done that yet...). Food for thought. From baci at harborcityschool.org Mon Nov 1 19:30:10 2004 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:30:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? In-Reply-To: <41867549.4000307@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c4c049$336f3c10$b605000a@ebaci> We use tikiwiki http://www.tikiwiki.org as our groupware solution. Students love it! >>baci -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:41 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm researching this issue for a colleague in another school. His >school currently uses FirstClass for email and conferencing stuff >(http://www.firstclass.com/) (nice product...I'm using it right now to >type this) but they need to move to an Open Source program as the >funding has dried up. Anyone have any recommendations for groupware >style apps that are similar? Being able to post to conferences for >collaboration without mass emailing everyone would be a big plus. It >would also be a plus if it'll work on an E-Smith/SME server. Let me know your >recommendations..... :-) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > kolab.org is new and probably to much bleeding edge... BUT cewl ;-) Peter -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh Linux Administrator (& advocate) CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ckjohnson at gwi.net Mon Nov 1 18:25:50 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:25:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... In-Reply-To: <1099332246.41867a96eb66d@msad41.us> References: <41783550.7030306@criticalcontrol.com> <1099332246.41867a96eb66d@msad41.us> Message-ID: <41867FAE.5000502@gwi.net> John T. Leonard wrote: >Does anyone know what happened with the 'nomachine.com' website? I've been >trying to get the FreeNX client software but the site is either down of gone...John > > > Both of their name servers are on the same subnet, and that subnet is not reachable with a traceroute. Gets as far as a network in Italy. That being the case, I doubt it is a problem at nomachine.com so much as a network provider problem. We'll just have to wait it out. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Nov 1 19:42:27 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:42:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite Message-ID: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, One of the many hats I wear at my school is that of Webmaster. In the past I've always hand-coded the site in a text-editor, and that works well for me. But, I'd like to allow my teachers and student organizations to create and maintain their own Web pages. Since most of them don't have any idea how to code in HTML, I'm looking for something that will allow them to easily create and maintain their own pages with little or no access to the actual code. I've looked at PHPWebsite, but I can't seem to make it work (I don't know how to get the MySQL database working properly). Can anyone here recommend something quick, clean and easy? Or, alternately can someone with experience offer some suggestions as to how to get PHPWebsite to play nice? It looks like a fine solution, but my own ignorance is holding me back. One again I await your great wisdom. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "...The man who knows how will always have a job. The man who also knows why will always be his boss." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 1 19:56:19 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:56:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... In-Reply-To: <41867FAE.5000502@gwi.net> References: <41783550.7030306@criticalcontrol.com> <1099332246.41867a96eb66d@msad41.us> <41867FAE.5000502@gwi.net> Message-ID: <418694E3.7030403@cfl.rr.com> My client pulls it right up http://www.nomachine.com/ Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > John T. Leonard wrote: > >> Does anyone know what happened with the 'nomachine.com' website? I've >> been >> trying to get the FreeNX client software but the site is either down >> of gone...John >> >> >> > Both of their name servers are on the same subnet, and that subnet is > not reachable with a traceroute. Gets as far as a network in Italy. > > That being the case, I doubt it is a problem at nomachine.com so much > as a network provider problem. > > We'll just have to wait it out. > > Chris > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 19:53:19 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:53:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT but SME question Message-ID: Hello, We have installed an SME-Server with the mail built in, but we can't get the darn dns working properly. We can send mail locally, or out, but can't send from outside mail addresses to the SME domain addresses. Does anyone use webmin for dns? I'm using webmin for admining the dns box, and I think that this is what is wrong... From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Mon Nov 1 19:59:18 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:59:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation help In-Reply-To: <1099240690.418514f26a0fa@sages.us> References: <1099240690.418514f26a0fa@sages.us> Message-ID: <41869596.40402@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Jim Hays wrote: >Abe Loveless and I are giving a presentation on K12LTSP at the Illinois >Education and Technology Conference in a couple weeks. Bob Munds and I gave a >similar presentation at this conference last year. > >I am looking for "success stories" to include in the presentation. Can any of >you send me a brief descrition of how you are using K12LTSP and how it has >worked out for you? I need some brief descriptions and good quotes to use in >the presentation. > >Thank you. > >----------------------------------------- >Jim Hays >Technology Director >Monticello CUSD#25 >Monticello, IL 61856 >----------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > I use K12LTSP at my school (small rural school in Missouri). Initial install was a small 9 client writing-lab (teacher uses the server as her "client"). Easy. Works. No crashes. Students had no trouble migrating to Linux from Windows. Our costs were for server, laser printer, switches and refurbished boxes for clients. Next install was a small 5 client lab for the "special ed" room. They use the lab for web-surfing research and writing. Another easy install. Our cost was less than $900 for a server, laser printer, switch (used existing older PCs as clients). No problems. /home directory is NFS mounted from the first lab's server. I'm in the process of installing a third server to power to classrooms for a total of about 25-30 clients. Another school donated 25 old PCs with monitors (Cel 366, 128RAM) so these will be the client PCs. We only had to purchase parts to build a server (and buy a refurbished laser printer). Costs were around $700 (server has 3 Gb RAM). I also use Linux as a Webserver and Web-filter (squid, DansGuardian & squidGuard). Which saves us additional money every year we don't have to subscribe to these services from an outsource. Additionally, I use Linux to power Nessus (an opensource network monitoring tool). I am in the process of installing OpenAdmin on a Linux box to be our School Information System server (online grades, discipline tracking, attendance tracking, etc.). Over all I am very pleased with K12LTSP and Linux in schools in general. The general public needs to be aware of the cost savings and the frivolous waste of taxpayer dollars on "proprietary" solutions. We should all migrate to open-source solutions and spend our money on support from the programmers, I think. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 20:01:11 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:01:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? Message-ID: I'm using moregroupware [Release 0.7.0 - Interim] for my personal daybook. Works fine. Jim From ckjohnson at gwi.net Mon Nov 1 20:29:42 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:29:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... In-Reply-To: <418694E3.7030403@cfl.rr.com> References: <41783550.7030306@criticalcontrol.com> <1099332246.41867a96eb66d@msad41.us> <41867FAE.5000502@gwi.net> <418694E3.7030403@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <41869CB6.3000009@gwi.net> Brian Chase wrote: > My client pulls it right up > http://www.nomachine.com/ Still no go reaching their name servers from here. What ip address does www.nomachine.com resolve to for you? Chris From tuxnician at execulink.com Mon Nov 1 20:35:10 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Tuxnician) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:35:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite In-Reply-To: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> References: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <41869DFE.4060303@execulink.com> Hi Mark, I don't know if this is want you are looking for but there is an open source html writer that is WYSIWYG. www.nvu.com (windows and linux versions). You can set it up for publishing to an ftp site. Jason Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > One of the many hats I wear at my school is that of Webmaster. In > the past I've always hand-coded the site in a text-editor, and that > works well for me. But, I'd like to allow my teachers and student > organizations to create and maintain their own Web pages. Since most of > them don't have any idea how to code in HTML, I'm looking for something > that will allow them to easily create and maintain their own pages with > little or no access to the actual code. I've looked at PHPWebsite, but > I can't seem to make it work (I don't know how to get the MySQL database > working properly). Can anyone here recommend something quick, clean and > easy? Or, alternately can someone with experience offer some > suggestions as to how to get PHPWebsite to play nice? It looks like a > fine solution, but my own ignorance is holding me back. One again I > await your great wisdom. > From les at futuresource.com Mon Nov 1 20:34:53 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:34:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT but SME question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099341292.25030.83.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 13:53, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hello, We have installed an SME-Server with the mail built in, but we can't > get the darn dns working properly. We can send mail locally, or out, but > can't send from outside mail addresses to the SME domain addresses. Does > anyone use webmin for dns? I'm using webmin for admining the dns box, and > I think that this is what is wrong... You need to add 'virtual domains' on the SME server for all of the domains that it should accept mail for. It wants to be the primary DNS server for the name you assign to the box and doesn't cooperate with anything else, so I usually assign the main machine name in a subdomain (sme.sme.main.com instead of sme.main.com), then add virtual domains for the real top-level domain(s). That way it doesn't confuse the other machines by acting as your main primary DNS but will still accept mail when your real DNS server says it is the MX for the domain. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Mon Nov 1 20:40:15 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:40:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite In-Reply-To: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> References: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: >Hello all, > One of the many hats I wear at my school is that of Webmaster. >In the past I've always hand-coded the site in a text-editor, and >that works well for me. But, I'd like to allow my teachers and >student organizations to create and maintain their own Web pages. >Since most of them don't have any idea how to code in HTML, I'm >looking for something that will allow them to easily create and >maintain their own pages with little or no access to the actual >code. I've looked at PHPWebsite, but I can't seem to make it work >(I don't know how to get the MySQL database working properly). Can >anyone here recommend something quick, clean and easy? Or, >alternately can someone with experience offer some suggestions as to >how to get PHPWebsite to play nice? It looks like a fine solution, >but my own ignorance is holding me back. One again I await your >great wisdom. > Mark - We have been using phpwebsite for a couple months now and have been happy. We went with it for the same reason, let folks create and edit pages without knowing any HTML. Where are you getting stuck sql wise? These are the steps off the top of my head: have mysql installed create a db for phpwebsite in mysql create permissions for phpwebsite to talk to it's db run the command flush privileges You also need to have the rpm php-mysql installed. When you run the installer for phpwebsite it will ask you for the db you created earlier, and the account with permissions to create tables. It's all automated after that. Where'd ya get and I will help the best I can? Our site is: http://new.hancock.k12.mi.us if you want to take a look and I am also using at http://teach.remc1.k12.mi.us (although it's not as pretty ;-) a yet to be officially released open source package for teachers to create their own webpages. Our local ISD is looking at mambo as an alternative for their hosting. http://mambo.sourceforge.net I never looked at it, can't comment on how it compares to phpwebsite but it's another option for you. Scott From oh207 at netzero.net Mon Nov 1 20:42:40 2004 From: oh207 at netzero.net (Onkar Harry) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:42:40 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? Message-ID: <20041101.124311.466.216032@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> I once experimented with Group-Office, http://www.group-office.com They have an online demo setup. -onkar From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Nov 1 20:50:42 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:50:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint in full screen Message-ID: <20041101205042.TUOT1382.mx-mtaout01.mts.net@mx-mtaout> is it possible to modify something to make TuxPaint start up in full screen mode? There appears to be no preference to do so. I wouldn't want to anyway, I really don't want to either log in 600+ times to do the modification, or walk through elementary kids in making this preference change a modification on the server would be much prefered thanks in advance for the help From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Nov 1 20:42:06 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:42:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? In-Reply-To: <418651B0.2060008@inlandlakes.org> References: <418651B0.2060008@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, November 1, 2004 at 11:09 AM +0000 wrote: >We switched from firstclass (which I HATED, it was horrible for me! Are >you running it on a mac server? Mine required OS9.0.4... No I'm running it on Win 2003....and have been on Win since NT 4 Has worked fine, but that's ALL that server does. Sticks out like a sore thumb amongst my Linux servers ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 1 21:42:33 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:42:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] up to 10 users on a single box Message-ID: <4186ADC9.8090400@maltzen.net> Some on this list might find this interesting/useful: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/20/1441224 It mentions a company in Canada that has a system called 1-Box that, with a bunch of dual-head video cards and some USB hubs, can support up to 10 users on a single box. It runs Linux, so if you could get it to boot its OS from an LTSP server, you could support a lot of users for significantly less money than the usual 'one fat client machine for each user' design. Petre From frederik at dannemare.net Mon Nov 1 22:04:04 2004 From: frederik at dannemare.net (Frederik Dannemare) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 00:04:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... In-Reply-To: <41869CB6.3000009@gwi.net> References: <418694E3.7030403@cfl.rr.com> <41869CB6.3000009@gwi.net> Message-ID: <200411012304.04135.frederik@dannemare.net> On Monday 01 November 2004 21:29, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Brian Chase wrote: > > My client pulls it right up > > http://www.nomachine.com/ > > Still no go reaching their name servers from here. What ip address > does www.nomachine.com resolve to for you? I can reach it via http://151.1.143.117/ but it currently takes (20+ secs) forever to load the main page. -- Frederik Dannemare From nbs at sonic.net Mon Nov 1 22:06:20 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:06:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint in full screen In-Reply-To: <20041101205042.TUOT1382.mx-mtaout01.mts.net@mx-mtaout> References: <20041101205042.TUOT1382.mx-mtaout01.mts.net@mx-mtaout> Message-ID: <20041101220620.GB28317@sonic.net> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 02:50:42PM -0600, Liam Marshall wrote: > is it possible to modify something to make TuxPaint start up in full screen mode? There appears to be no preference to do so. > Hrm? "tuxpaint --fullscreen" or "fullscreen=yes" in either ~/.tuxpaintrc or tuxpaint.conf (location depends on how it was built/packaged, but check in /etc or /usr/local/etc) > I wouldn't want to anyway, I really don't want to either log in 600+ times to do the modification, or walk through elementary kids in making this preference change > > a modification on the server would be much prefered If the "tuxpaint.conf" file is located somewhere all clients see, it should just work. If you need more help, I'm happy to try! (The 'tuxpaint-dev' mailing list is pretty useful, too: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/lists/ ) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com New Breed Software http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ Tux Paint 0.9.14 is out! From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 1 22:09:27 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:09:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... In-Reply-To: <41869CB6.3000009@gwi.net> References: <41783550.7030306@criticalcontrol.com> <1099332246.41867a96eb66d@msad41.us> <41867FAE.5000502@gwi.net> <418694E3.7030403@cfl.rr.com> <41869CB6.3000009@gwi.net> Message-ID: <4186B417.8040407@cfl.rr.com> > $ nslookup www.nomachine.com > Server: orldfldns08-amp.cfl.r > Address: 24.95.227.41 > > Non-authoritative answer: > Name: web01.nomachine.com > Address: 151.1.143.117 > Aliases: www.nomachine.com Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Brian Chase wrote: > >> My client pulls it right up >> http://www.nomachine.com/ > > > Still no go reaching their name servers from here. What ip address > does www.nomachine.com resolve to for you? > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From frederik at dannemare.net Mon Nov 1 22:08:33 2004 From: frederik at dannemare.net (Frederik Dannemare) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 00:08:33 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite In-Reply-To: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> References: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <200411012308.33051.frederik@dannemare.net> On Monday 01 November 2004 20:42, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > One of the many hats I wear at my school is that of Webmaster. > In the past I've always hand-coded the site in a text-editor, and > that works well for me. But, I'd like to allow my teachers and > student organizations to create and maintain their own Web pages. > Since most of them don't have any idea how to code in HTML, I'm > looking for something that will allow them to easily create and > maintain their own pages with little or no access to the actual code. > I've looked at PHPWebsite, but I can't seem to make it work (I don't > know how to get the MySQL database working properly). Can anyone > here recommend something quick, clean and easy? Or, alternately can > someone with experience offer some suggestions as to how to get > PHPWebsite to play nice? It looks like a fine solution, but my own > ignorance is holding me back. One again I await your great wisdom. I can recommend www.cmsimple.dk which is a very basic cms, but this also makes it extremely easy to work with for non-IT people. It has a WYSIWYG editor that works in Mozilla (and IE). It requires no sql backend. -- Frederik Dannemare From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Mon Nov 1 22:32:35 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:32:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... In-Reply-To: <4186B417.8040407@cfl.rr.com> References: <41783550.7030306@criticalcontrol.com> <1099332246.41867a96eb66d@msad41.us> <41867FAE.5000502@gwi.net> <418694E3.7030403@cfl.rr.com> <41869CB6.3000009@gwi.net> <4186B417.8040407@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4186B983.2020807@criticalcontrol.com> Brian Chase wrote: >> $ nslookup www.nomachine.com >> Server: orldfldns08-amp.cfl.r >> Address: 24.95.227.41 >> >> Non-authoritative answer: >> Name: web01.nomachine.com >> Address: 151.1.143.117 >> Aliases: www.nomachine.com > > I still see the "PrescriptionMedication" ad. @ http://www.nomachine.com/download.php There mailing list is dead as well... Looks like they have serious 'trouble' 2004-11-01 15:30 MST Peter From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Nov 2 00:31:20 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:31:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 1.4 mbps on 100BaseT! (OT) Message-ID: <001301c4c073$46cc6970$0701000a@winworkstation> Hi Folks, I know this specific example is OT, but this topic is very near and dear to K12LTSP since the whole franchise is riding on the network. Maybe someone can set me straight on some network issues I've been having. I just clocked a Samba upload to my K12LTSP server at 1.45 MegaBits per second. Roughly 109 Megabytes took roughly 11 minutes. (maybe I'm doing the math wrong, but that seems really slow.) Connections are solid and reliable, but slow. I'm going through 2 switches (not hubs) the lights for all the connections indicate 100BaseT connections. And both computer and server have 10/100 cards. Some of the cabling I pulled through the wall myself and there are quite a few kinks in it, as I recall. Also, the ends were untwisted about an inch, not the half inch recommended in the specs. Could this be enough to cause such a massive drop in speed? Should I pull the cat5 again, being more careful? Or should I look for the culprit somewhere else? (CPU, RAM, interference, disk speed, etc.) Can someone identify for me the top 5 likely candidates for bottlenecks in a transfer like this? I'm worried also because my K12LTSP connections to the server are from the same cabling job. Thanks, ck From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 2 00:34:36 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:34:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4186D61C.8010508@paasda.org> David Trask wrote: > >>One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to >>accept such >>messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver 3.0.1 here in my >>cube, >>the clients are not. This can be fixed by adding >> >>xhost +192.168.0.254 >> >>to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be sent >> >> >>from the > > >>server, but not from other clients which could be a nightmare, e.g. >>clever >>students with too much time on their hands. >> >>Hopefully this is a start. >> >> I put a .profile in /home/housad with the 'xhost +192.168.0.254' chown housad:housad .profile then did the following...and then got these Xlib errors...so wondering?? how can we solve this? =) [root at ltsp root]# who housad ws248.ltsp:0 Nov 1 15:55 (ws248.ltsp) root pts/1 Nov 1 15:57 (10.1.3.128) root :0 Oct 15 15:58 [root at ltsp root]# xmessage -center -timeout 30 -display ws248.ltsp:0.0 could you logout please? Xlib: connection to "ws248.ltsp:0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified Error: Can't open display: ws248.ltsp:0.0 [root at ltsp root]# xmessage -center -timeout 30 -display ws248.ltsp:0 could you logout please? Xlib: connection to "ws248.ltsp:0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified Error: Can't open display: ws248.ltsp:0 --Huck From jim at rossberry.com Tue Nov 2 00:39:04 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:39:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] 1.4 mbps on 100BaseT! (OT) In-Reply-To: <001301c4c073$46cc6970$0701000a@winworkstation> References: <001301c4c073$46cc6970$0701000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Carl Keil wrote: > indicate 100BaseT connections. And both computer and server have 10/100 > cards. Some of the cabling I pulled through the wall myself and there are > quite a few kinks in it, as I recall. Also, the ends were untwisted about > an inch, not the half inch recommended in the specs. Could this be enough > to cause such a massive drop in speed? Should I pull the cat5 again, being > more careful? Or should I look for the culprit somewhere else? (CPU, RAM, > interference, disk speed, etc.) Can someone identify for me the top 5 > likely candidates for bottlenecks in a transfer like this? I'm worried also > because my K12LTSP connections to the server are from the same cabling job. > Are the cards in full duplex? (mii-tool or ethtool to find out) Try an rsync or scp copy as well, that will either point to or eliminate the samba server. Bad network card setup (half vs full duplex) Bad cabling could do it. in order of likelyhood. (Bad termination, interference, too sharp of bends) Are all the components Cat-5 certified? Bandwidth throttling in the switch (unlikely) Can you test it with some known good equipment (say a pair of laptops that have been tested on a single switch)? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 2 00:46:07 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:46:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 1.4 mbps on 100BaseT! (OT) In-Reply-To: <001301c4c073$46cc6970$0701000a@winworkstation> References: <001301c4c073$46cc6970$0701000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <20041102004310.M99880@winonacotter.org> > I just clocked a Samba upload to my K12LTSP server at 1.45 MegaBits per > second. Roughly 109 Megabytes took roughly 11 minutes. (maybe I'm doing > the math wrong, but that seems really slow.) Connections are solid and > reliable, but slow. I am a little confused here. You say 1.45MB is what you clocked but at that speed moving 109MB should only take 75 seconds. That would be a decent speed if you ask me. But 11 minutes is really slow, too slow. So if you clocked 1.45MB on something I would first wonder what is different between that machine and the machine that took 11 minutes to upload the 109MB file. Otherwise straighten me out with some more details. Otherwise I would say -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 00:54:05 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:54:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients not able to connect Message-ID: <20041102005405.27696.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> I just updated my Fedora and am now having problems with my thin clients not being able to connect. I looked in the file lts.conf and rc.sysinit. It appears that I am having some kind of a problem in rc.sysinit. Here is what I get on the thin client. Running dhclient e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex 10.128.1.5: No such file or directory Mounting root filesystem: opt/ltsp/i386 from: 10.188.4.12 Doing the pivot_root Mounting the devfs filesystem Running /sbin/init Started device management daemon v1.3.25 for /dev Mounting /proc filesystem Creating ramdisk on /tmp Mke2fs 1.29 (24-Sep-2002) Current hosthame: /etc/rc.sysinit: line 429: unexpected EOF while looking for matching " /etc/rc.sysinit: line 433: syntax error: unexpected end of file This is where the thin clients stop. Does anyone have any suggestions. Thank you for your time. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Tue Nov 2 01:18:16 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:18:16 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite In-Reply-To: References: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4186E058.9090407@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Something that I've introduced to some friends is Netscape Composer. It's very basic and easy to use. Set up the publishing (ftp) details for them and all they then have to do is navigate to the page they want to edit and then click 'edit page' in the file menu. This brings up composer and once they've made their changes they click publish. No code seen, very easy for technophobes! "Netscape Composer is an easy-to-use tool that makes creating HTML-based documents as easy as writing a memo with a word processor.... Like a word processor, Composer uses fonts, styles, paragraphs, and lists, and includes an integrated spelling checker." http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp http://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape7/english/7.2/unix/linux/netscape-i686-pc-linux-gnu-installer.tar.gz Scott Sherrill wrote: >> Hello all, >> One of the many hats I wear at my school is that of Webmaster. In >> the past I've always hand-coded the site in a text-editor, and that >> works well for me. But, I'd like to allow my teachers and student >> organizations to create and maintain their own Web pages. Since most >> of them don't have any idea how to code in HTML, I'm looking for >> something that will allow them to easily create and maintain their own >> pages with little or no access to the actual code. I've looked at >> PHPWebsite, but I can't seem to make it work (I don't know how to get >> the MySQL database working properly). Can anyone here recommend >> something quick, clean and easy? Or, alternately can someone with >> experience offer some suggestions as to how to get PHPWebsite to play >> nice? It looks like a fine solution, but my own ignorance is holding >> me back. One again I await your great wisdom. >> > > > Mark - > > We have been using phpwebsite for a couple months now and have been > happy. We went with it for the same reason, let folks create and edit > pages without knowing any HTML. > > Where are you getting stuck sql wise? > > These are the steps off the top of my head: > > have mysql installed > create a db for phpwebsite in mysql > create permissions for phpwebsite to talk to it's db > run the command flush privileges > > You also need to have the rpm php-mysql installed. When you run the > installer for phpwebsite it will ask you for the db you created earlier, > and the account with permissions to create tables. It's all automated > after that. > > Where'd ya get and I will help the best I can? > > Our site is: http://new.hancock.k12.mi.us if you want to take a look and > I am also using at http://teach.remc1.k12.mi.us (although it's not as > pretty ;-) a yet to be officially released open source package for > teachers to create their own webpages. > > Our local ISD is looking at mambo as an alternative for their hosting. > http://mambo.sourceforge.net I never looked at it, can't comment on how > it compares to phpwebsite but it's another option for you. > > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Nov 2 02:12:39 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:12:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 1.4 mbps on 100BaseT! (OT) In-Reply-To: <20041102004310.M99880@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001401c4c081$6dcea570$0701000a@winworkstation> No, You're not confused, I'm confused. 1.45 Mb per second was my math based on the 109 megs in 11 minutes. (megabits, not megabytes, but isn't 1.45 Mbps waaaay less than even 10baseT) That's why I referred to my math possibly being wrong. I haven't "clocked" anything except watching the clock for minutes on end, for reasonably small uploads. ck >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org] >Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:46 PM >To: carl at snarlnet.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 1.4 mbps on 100BaseT! (OT) > > >> I just clocked a Samba upload to my K12LTSP server at 1.45 >MegaBits per >> second. Roughly 109 Megabytes took roughly 11 minutes. >(maybe I'm doing >> the math wrong, but that seems really slow.) Connections >are solid and >> reliable, but slow. > >I am a little confused here. You say 1.45MB is what you >clocked but at that >speed moving 109MB should only take 75 seconds. That would be >a decent >speed if you ask me. But 11 minutes is really slow, too slow. > So if you >clocked 1.45MB on something I would first wonder what is >different between >that machine and the machine that took 11 minutes to upload >the 109MB file. >Otherwise straighten me out with some more details. Otherwise >I would say > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >Department, and is believed to be clean. > > From tuxnician at execulink.com Tue Nov 2 02:20:50 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Tuxnician) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:20:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite In-Reply-To: <4186E058.9090407@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> <4186E058.9090407@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <4186EF02.4030809@execulink.com> I like using NVU at www.nvu.com: A complete Web Authoring System for Linux Desktop users as well as Microsoft Windows users to rival programs like FrontPage and Dreamweaver. Nvu (pronounced N-view, for a "new view") makes managing a web site a snap. Now anyone can create web pages and manage a website with no technical expertise or knowledge of HTML. # WYSIWYG editing of pages, making web creation as easy as typing a letter with your word processor. . # Integrated file management via FTP. Simply login to your web site and navigate through your files, editing web pages on the fly, directly from your site. . # Reliable HTML code creation that will work with all of today's most popular browsers. . # Jump between WYSIWYG Editing Mode and HTML using tabs. . # Tabbed editing to make working on multiple pages a snap. . # Powerful support for forms, tables, and templates. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 2 01:36:00 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:36:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 1.4 mbps on 100BaseT! (OT) In-Reply-To: <001301c4c073$46cc6970$0701000a@winworkstation> References: <001301c4c073$46cc6970$0701000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: carl at snarlnet.com on Monday, November 1, 2004 at 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I know this specific example is OT, but this topic is very near and dear >to >K12LTSP since the whole franchise is riding on the network. Maybe someone >can set me straight on some network issues I've been having. > >I just clocked a Samba upload to my K12LTSP server at 1.45 MegaBits per >second. Roughly 109 Megabytes took roughly 11 minutes. (maybe I'm doing >the math wrong, but that seems really slow.) Connections are solid and >reliable, but slow. > >I'm going through 2 switches (not hubs) the lights for all the connections >indicate 100BaseT connections. And both computer and server have 10/100 >cards. Some of the cabling I pulled through the wall myself and there are >quite a few kinks in it, as I recall. Also, the ends were untwisted about >an inch, not the half inch recommended in the specs. Could this be enough >to cause such a massive drop in speed? Should I pull the cat5 again, >being >more careful? Or should I look for the culprit somewhere else? (CPU, >RAM, >interference, disk speed, etc.) Can someone identify for me the top 5 >likely candidates for bottlenecks in a transfer like this? I'm worried >also >because my K12LTSP connections to the server are from the same cabling >job. > >Thanks, > >ck My top 5 1. a loop in the network...something plugged in wrong and generating a crapload of traffice 2. crappy switches sometimes simply cycling the power on all switches and servers can help. 3. bad cables 4. bad or incorrectly set up card 5. ummmm....start over? :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Nov 2 03:38:49 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:08:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] 1.4 mbps on 100BaseT! (OT) In-Reply-To: <001401c4c081$6dcea570$0701000a@winworkstation> References: <001401c4c081$6dcea570$0701000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <1099366728.4900.18.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 07:42, Carl Keil wrote: > No, You're not confused, I'm confused. 1.45 Mb per second was my math > based on the 109 megs in 11 minutes. (megabits, not megabytes, but isn't > 1.45 Mbps waaaay less than even 10baseT) That's why I referred to my math > possibly being wrong. I haven't "clocked" anything except watching the > clock for minutes on end, for reasonably small uploads. Disclaimer: Not a network tech ;-( Some where earlier on this list it was discussed that on 10baseT actual transfer cannot exceed beyond 2.5~3Mbps on a single one to one pipe. Max load on the NIC can be 10Mbps for three / four connection simultaneously. This was in line with my observation. I forget the explanation but you could dig in archives. HTH and give direction for further detective work. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From pfaffman at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 03:55:35 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:55:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT but SME question In-Reply-To: <1099341292.25030.83.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1099341292.25030.83.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9326098004110119555f583234@mail.gmail.com> You might also need to edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and uncomment the line that makes your mail server listen only to localhost and then type "make." On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:34:53 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 13:53, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > Hello, We have installed an SME-Server with the mail built in, but we can't > > get the darn dns working properly. We can send mail locally, or out, but > > can't send from outside mail addresses to the SME domain addresses. Does > > anyone use webmin for dns? I'm using webmin for admining the dns box, and > > I think that this is what is wrong... > > You need to add 'virtual domains' on the SME server for all of the > domains that it should accept mail for. It wants to be the primary > DNS server for the name you assign to the box and doesn't cooperate > with anything else, so I usually assign the main machine name in a > subdomain (sme.sme.main.com instead of sme.main.com), then add > virtual domains for the real top-level domain(s). That way it doesn't > confuse the other machines by acting as your main primary DNS but > will still accept mail when your real DNS server says it is the MX > for the domain. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From johnny at msad41.us Tue Nov 2 04:03:17 2004 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:03:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... In-Reply-To: <4186B983.2020807@criticalcontrol.com> References: <41783550.7030306@criticalcontrol.com> <1099332246.41867a96eb66d@msad41.us> <41867FAE.5000502@gwi.net> <418694E3.7030403@cfl.rr.com> <41869CB6.3000009@gwi.net> <4186B417.8040407@cfl.rr.com> <4186B983.2020807@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <1099368197.41870705121cb@msad41.us> Quoting Pete : > Brian Chase wrote: > > >> $ nslookup www.nomachine.com > >> Server: orldfldns08-amp.cfl.r > >> Address: 24.95.227.41 > >> > >> Non-authoritative answer: > >> Name: web01.nomachine.com > >> Address: 151.1.143.117 > >> Aliases: www.nomachine.com > > > > > I still see the "PrescriptionMedication" ad. @ > http://www.nomachine.com/download.php > There mailing list is dead as well... > > Looks like they have serious 'trouble' > > 2004-11-01 15:30 MST > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Well Pete....it's 11p.m. and they look like they're back on line here in the eastern USA....all we were getting here was the popup with a 'no domain with that name' message...what is it that you were seeing?? I thought you wanted me to take some presciption meds or something!!!....so I went home and had a Labatts and a couple of Tylenol instead ;-) John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From tim at litwiller.net Tue Nov 2 04:48:12 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:48:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT but SME question In-Reply-To: <9326098004110119555f583234@mail.gmail.com> References: <1099341292.25030.83.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9326098004110119555f583234@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4187118C.2010304@litwiller.net> SME uses qmail and it does already listed on all interfaces. Jay Pfaffman wrote: > You might also need to edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and uncomment the > line that makes your mail server listen only to localhost and then > type "make." > > > On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:34:53 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > >>On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 13:53, Jim Christiansen wrote: >> >>>Hello, We have installed an SME-Server with the mail built in, but we can't >>>get the darn dns working properly. We can send mail locally, or out, but >>>can't send from outside mail addresses to the SME domain addresses. Does >>>anyone use webmin for dns? I'm using webmin for admining the dns box, and >>>I think that this is what is wrong... >> >>You need to add 'virtual domains' on the SME server for all of the >>domains that it should accept mail for. It wants to be the primary >>DNS server for the name you assign to the box and doesn't cooperate >>with anything else, so I usually assign the main machine name in a >>subdomain (sme.sme.main.com instead of sme.main.com), then add >>virtual domains for the real top-level domain(s). That way it doesn't >>confuse the other machines by acting as your main primary DNS but >>will still accept mail when your real DNS server says it is the MX >>for the domain. >> >>--- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > From robark at telus.net Tue Nov 2 07:10:22 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:10:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't launch Firefox In-Reply-To: <41838CA1.7000108@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4182EAA2.6070804@telus.net> <20041029202008.65c1953f@heaven> <41838CA1.7000108@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <418732DE.9050604@telus.net> Thanks guys, I got it working as per your advice. Running first as root. Also, one more thing to add. I installed using the new RC1 regular tarball. Just untared it to the directory. The firefox-installer/ dir is created by running the installer based firefox download (it was problematic). I don't recommend this one. Also, the sym link of firefox as /usr/bin/mozilla did not work for some reason. It would just hang. So I just made the file mozilla contain the simple script #!/bin/bash /usr/local/firefox As Martin Woolley suggested and it worked no problemo. Also, set the default school proxy by editing firefox.js in the default dir including the lines pref("network.proxy.type", 1); pref("network.proxy.http", "put your school proxy here"); pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); as Joe Guenther explained last month. Thanks all for this wonderful list. Robert Arkiletian Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Bill Bardon wrote: > >> >> Did you perform the very first run of Firefox as root on the server? >> Firefox on Linux requires this to properly initialize some files. >> I think you could still login as root, run Firefox, and all would be >> well after that. If not, uninstall and reinstall, then run as root the >> first time. >> > > I agree. "Traditional" Mozilla also requires this. > > The newer Firefox versions, it seems, on certain distros (SuSE Linux > 9.1, for example) don't appear to absolutely require this anymore. > Just yesterday I upgraded to Firefox 1.0rc1 from 1.0PR, and I forgot > to run it as root (I installed the "old-fashioned" way--just unzipping > the tarball to an empty directory). Worked like a charm anyway, which > I found rather interesting. However, it's never wrong to run it as > root the first time, just in case. > > One other thing: you might consider installing Firefox into a > directory whose name doesn't say, "Oh, I'm the install directory". > Better always to install to an empty directory. I've always used > /usr/local/firefox, for example. To make sure I have a rollback > option, I go one step further and save the most recent "old" version. > Something like this, using an upgrade from Firefox 0.9.3 to Firefox > 1.0rc1 as an example. > > First, rename the "current" installation: > > root at multimedia:/usr/local# mv firefox firefox-0.9.3 > > Now, install Firefox the usual way that you do it, into, say, > /usr/local/firefox. When done, do this: > > root at multimedia:/usr/local# mv firefox firefox-1.0rc1 > > Now, symlink the new installation to the name "firefox": > > root at multimedia:/usr/local# ln -s firefox-1.0rc1 firefox > > Of course, you could simply install the new one into "firefox-1.0rc1" > if you're using the firefox-installer, but the "traditional" package > untar's into "firefox/". Thus, this method will work with that, too. > > --TP From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Nov 2 08:43:59 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:43:59 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite In-Reply-To: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> References: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <200411020843.05833.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Monday 01 Nov 2004 7:42 pm, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > One of the many hats I wear at my school is that of Webmaster. In > the past I've always hand-coded the site in a text-editor, and that > works well for me. But, I'd like to allow my teachers and student > organizations to create and maintain their own Web pages. Since most of > them don't have any idea how to code in HTML, I'm looking for something > that will allow them to easily create and maintain their own pages with > little or no access to the actual code. We use the MoinMoin wiki for this. The users don't need any knowledge of html, ftp or indeed anything at all. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From robowens at myway.com Tue Nov 2 11:11:21 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:11:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite Message-ID: <20041102111121.8D0573A0B@mprdmxin.myway.com> I recently tried Mozilla Composer to make a simple website and I found it to be very easy. I learned how to use it in about 5-10 minutes (I have previously made simple web pages by hand-coding the html). Click on "insert image" and it lets you browse to the image you want to insert, then it allows you to make the image a link, and so on. As for the text, it works pretty much like a word processor in the way it allows you to change fonts, font size, etc. -Rob --- On Mon 11/01, Debbie Schiel < debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au > wrote: From: Debbie Schiel [mailto: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:18:16 +1000 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite Something that I've introduced to some friends is Netscape Composer.

It's very basic and easy to use. Set up the publishing (ftp) details for
them and all they then have to do is navigate to the page they want to
edit and then click 'edit page' in the file menu. This brings up
composer and once they've made their changes they click publish.
No code seen, very easy for technophobes!

"Netscape Composer is an easy-to-use tool that makes creating HTML-based
documents as easy as writing a memo with a word processor.... Like a
word processor, Composer uses fonts, styles, paragraphs, and lists, and
includes an integrated spelling checker."

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp
http://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape7/english/7.2/unix/linux/netscape-i686-pc-linux-gnu-installer.tar.gz

Scott Sherrill wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> One of the many hats I wear at my school is that of Webmaster. In
>> the past I! 've always hand-coded the site in a text-editor, and that
>> works well for me. But, I'd like to allow my teachers and student
>> organizations to create and maintain their own Web pages. Since most
>> of them don't have any idea how to code in HTML, I'm looking for
>> something that will allow them to easily create and maintain their own
>> pages with little or no access to the actual code. I've looked at
>> PHPWebsite, but I can't seem to make it work (I don't know how to get
>> the MySQL database working properly). Can anyone here recommend
>> something quick, clean and easy? Or, alternately can someone with
>> experience offer some suggestions as to how to get PHPWebsite to play
>> nice? It looks like a fine solution, but my own ignorance is holding
>> me back. One again I await your great wisdom.
>>
>
>
> Mark -
>
> We have been using phpwebsite for a couple months now and have been
> happy. We! went with it for the same reason, let folks create and edit !
> pa ges without knowing any HTML.
>
> Where are you getting stuck sql wise?
>
> These are the steps off the top of my head:
>
> have mysql installed
> create a db for phpwebsite in mysql
> create permissions for phpwebsite to talk to it's db
> run the command flush privileges
>
> You also need to have the rpm php-mysql installed. When you run the
> installer for phpwebsite it will ask you for the db you created earlier,
> and the account with permissions to create tables. It's all automated
> after that.
>
> Where'd ya get and I will help the best I can?
>
> Our site is: http://new.hancock.k12.mi.us if you want to take a look and
> I am also using at http://teach.remc1.k12.mi.us (although it's not as
> pretty ;-) a yet to be officially released open source package for
> teachers to create their own webpages.
>
> Our local ISD is looking at mambo as an alternative for their hosting.
> http:! //mambo.sourceforge.net I never looked at it, can't comment on how
> it compares to phpwebsite but it's another option for you.
>
>
> Scott
>
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Tue Nov 2 11:23:14 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:23:14 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office saves, crashes, and work is gone... Message-ID: <41876E22.1000403@redeemer.qld.edu.au> What's with Open Office??! I've just spent an hour typing up an activity sheet for a lesson tomorrow - SAVING my work all along as I normally do like you should, then it crashes AND THERE'S NO TRACE OF MY WORK ANYWHERE?!?!?!?! What...? I'm speechless!!!!!! -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From robowens at myway.com Tue Nov 2 11:22:51 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:22:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] someone had questions about hotmail Message-ID: <20041102112251.4FB1E39A9@mprdmxin.myway.com> A while back somebody had questions about why hotmail wasn't working properly. Hotmail requires cookies to be enabled (I imagine it's so that they can verify to their advertisers that users are receiving the ads). With cookies blocked, it won't log you in properly. If you're worried about network bandwidth, I'd like to make a suggestion about webmail. Hotmail has a lot of graphical advertisements and it worked really slowly on my dial-up system. I switched to "myway.com" because it's all text based (but it still looks nice). They don't even have banner advertisements, and it is free. Storage space is 125 MB compared to hotmail's 2 MB. It also requires cookies to be enabled, but only for "myway.com", and not for zillions of paid advertisers, as with hotmail. I realize this is only my 2nd post and the above kind of sounds like an advertisement. I hope nobody thinks I'm spamming the list. I'm just recommending a service that I've found helpful. I won't make any money off of it. -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Tue Nov 2 11:59:35 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:59:35 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office saves, crashes, and work is gone... In-Reply-To: <41876E22.1000403@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <41876E22.1000403@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <418776A7.2050404@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Sorry Open Office, You are beautiful and lovely and all is forgiven. My work was lost but it's now been found. I think it's too hot in here (i.e. brain cells are melting) 35 degrees celcius in QLD tomorrow!! Debbie Schiel wrote: > What's with Open Office??! I've just spent an hour typing up an activity > sheet for a lesson tomorrow - SAVING my work all along as I normally do > like you should, then it crashes AND THERE'S NO TRACE OF MY WORK > ANYWHERE?!?!?!?! > > What...? I'm speechless!!!!!! -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Nov 2 12:57:37 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:57:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office saves, crashes, and work is gone...OT In-Reply-To: <418776A7.2050404@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <41876E22.1000403@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <418776A7.2050404@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, that makes the frost this morning seem more bearable. :) On Nov 2, 2004, at 5:59 AM, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Sorry Open Office, You are beautiful and lovely and all is forgiven. > My work was lost but it's now been found. I think it's too hot in here > (i.e. brain cells are melting) > > 35 degrees celcius in QLD tomorrow!! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkGHhEEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSv7ACeKe/SqWmPbkBimmAxx2B0+2K+ tqIAnRJNvmWmddjdSAS6nFliO1/iSn6J =T3a/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Nov 2 13:00:23 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:00:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <4186D61C.8010508@paasda.org> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> <4186D61C.8010508@paasda.org> Message-ID: <418784E7.7090706@inlandlakes.org> Huck wrote: > I put a .profile in /home/housad with the 'xhost +192.168.0.254' > chown housad:housad .profile Did you do this while housad was logged in? The .profile is only parsed when a user opens a login shell... (From there I have no idea if it would/should work) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Nov 2 13:02:37 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:02:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4187856D.3000607@msln.net> Dave, 1 I have been wanting to check out is opengroupware.org It is in the same field as SKYRiX. Seems very promising, just haven had the time to confirm. Mark David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm researching this issue for a colleague in another school. His school >currently uses FirstClass for email and conferencing stuff >(http://www.firstclass.com/) (nice product...I'm using it right now to >type this) but they need to move to an Open Source program as the funding >has dried up. Anyone have any recommendations for groupware style apps >that are similar? Being able to post to conferences for collaboration >without mass emailing everyone would be a big plus. It would also be a >plus if it'll work on an E-Smith/SME server. Let me know your >recommendations..... :-) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Nov 2 13:15:35 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:15:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 1.4 mbps on 100BaseT! (OT) In-Reply-To: <001301c4c073$46cc6970$0701000a@winworkstation> References: <001301c4c073$46cc6970$0701000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <41878877.9090005@inlandlakes.org> Carl Keil wrote: > Roughly 109 Megabytes took roughly 11 minutes. I have the same problem with my home fileserver. I think it may be the non-managed switch I'm using. I also get errors in ifconfig (frame errors) and it is very frustrating. I've tried different NICs, different brands of NICs, different switches (although all unmanaged), and different cables. For the math part, here's a simple way to figure: 100mbit (100baseT) = 12 Megabytes of data per second (theoretical) 10mbit (10baseT) = 1.2 Megabytes of data per second (theoretical) Now realize that collision & duplexing issues will lessen that, as will normal operation. What I notice in my home setup is REALLY good transfer rates for 30 seconds or so, and then a 15-20 second stall. Then 10-15 seconds of good transfer, then a stall. It sorta limps along from there during a file transfer, and I still don't know why. I think that perhaps a duplex MISMATCH would cause such a problem, especially if it tries to renegotiate the connection or something. I am going to try to bring a managed switch home, and force it to the proper speed/duplex -- then use mii-tool to force the card to the proper speed/duplex, and see if my problem goes away. It's very frustrating though. Since it's my home fileserver, it means that if someone is streaming Stargate episodes to the Xboxmediacenter, my kids can't watch their Blues Clues specials streamed into the bedroom. (All my DVDs are ripped into avi files so they don't get scratched, thus the need for my fileserver) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 2 12:59:56 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:59:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] more typing programs...ideas? Message-ID: Hi all, In addition to my network admin duties....deploying laptops (I'm in Maine), and all the linux stuff I do....I also teach :-) Anyway, this year we're piloting a fifth grade typing program first thing every morning. We're currently using KTouch and I like it especially since I can program in the lessons. BUT....I'd liek to have a little variety. GTypist is out of the question....uses WAY too much CPU and is cludgy for 5th graders. I'm wondering if anyone knows of any other typing tutors ...preferably Open Source (and free) or at least VERY low cost. It needs to run on our K12LTSP server and terminals. Any thoughts appreciated. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ahodson at elp.rr.com Tue Nov 2 13:56:09 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:56:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Oofice query Message-ID: Big day in the US - hope everybody has a chance to vote here I have in the past solved most Open Office problems by simply dragging the user's .openoffice folder to the trash and running one of the components like spreadsheet (we use IceWM) With version 4.1 K12LTSP I am noticing that frequently that does not help. There is an installing sentence, and the program hangs. I've thought of copying another user's .openoffice file and dragging into the user that is having problems, but thought I would ask the group for some tips before doing this. Also, are there spreadsheet limitations? Students are importing pictures and creating rather large files - could this be the cause? I appreciate your sharing ideas and worked-for-me experiences. Cheers Alan A Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ aahodson at episd.org -=o=- From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 2 14:02:23 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:02:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <4186D61C.8010508@paasda.org> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> <4186D61C.8010508@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4187936F.10204@maltzen.net> On the client, try opening a terminal and running xhost + and then try the xmessage command at the server. I'm not suggesting this as a solution because of the security holes it presents; this is just a troubleshooting step to try to isolate the problem. Petre Huck wrote: > > > David Trask wrote: > >> >>> One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to >>> accept such messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver >>> 3.0.1 here in my >>> cube, the clients are not. This can be fixed by adding >>> >>> xhost +192.168.0.254 >>> >>> to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be sent >>> >>> from the >> >> >> >>> server, but not from other clients which could be a nightmare, e.g. >>> clever students with too much time on their hands. >>> >>> Hopefully this is a start. >>> > > > I put a .profile in /home/housad with the 'xhost +192.168.0.254' > chown housad:housad .profile > > then did the following...and then got these Xlib errors...so wondering?? > how can we solve this? =) > > [root at ltsp root]# who > housad ws248.ltsp:0 Nov 1 15:55 (ws248.ltsp) > root pts/1 Nov 1 15:57 (10.1.3.128) > root :0 Oct 15 15:58 > [root at ltsp root]# xmessage -center -timeout 30 -display ws248.ltsp:0.0 > could you logout please? > Xlib: connection to "ws248.ltsp:0.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > > Error: Can't open display: ws248.ltsp:0.0 > [root at ltsp root]# xmessage -center -timeout 30 -display ws248.ltsp:0 > could you logout please? > Xlib: connection to "ws248.ltsp:0.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > > Error: Can't open display: ws248.ltsp:0 > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 2 14:17:48 2004 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:17:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] e-smith/sme server opening ports Message-ID: I have a firewall runing sme v6. I have also setup squidguard and dansgaurdian on it. I have two problems that I do not know how to resolve. Problem1: Our student newspaper needs to upload their paper to the printer. The printing company needs both port 80 and 53 open to accomplish this. I cannot seem to get port 53 to open. I have opened port 53 through server-manager console. However when I do a port scan the port is not showing up as opened. Problem2: For some reason windows 2000 service pack 4 seems to have a problem downloading through the firewall. Any of the other critical updates work fine. Is there something that I need to allow at the firewall for this. Thanks for all the help, Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 2 14:18:01 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:18:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite In-Reply-To: <4186E058.9090407@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <418691A3.6060808@honeygroveisd.net> <4186E058.9090407@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <41879719.60300@maltzen.net> One simple solution would be to turn on the UserDir option in apache's httpd.conf file. This allows each user on the system to have a webpage contained in ~/public_html. Then have the students & teachers use Mozilla Composer, which presumably is already installed, or NVu, to create the pages and they just save them in their respective ~/public_html directories; this way they don't have to fool around with ftping the files to another machine, etc. The downside is that you don't have an integrated system that ties everyone's pages together in one spot. Browsers would have to go to each user's webpage (although it would be trivial to write a script that scans all the home directories for a public_html/ directory and constructs a list of them and presents the list on the web server's home page). The upside to this approach is you don't have the hassles of getting a complete integrated system off the ground. It's perhaps not as flashy looking, but you can get it up and running within minutes (assuming Apache is installed--and if it isn't, it's pretty easy to do so), which, if nothing else, might buy you some time to get, say, phpwebsite working. Petre Debbie Schiel wrote: > Something that I've introduced to some friends is Netscape Composer. > > It's very basic and easy to use. Set up the publishing (ftp) details for > them and all they then have to do is navigate to the page they want to > edit and then click 'edit page' in the file menu. This brings up > composer and once they've made their changes they click publish. > No code seen, very easy for technophobes! > > "Netscape Composer is an easy-to-use tool that makes creating HTML-based > documents as easy as writing a memo with a word processor.... Like a > word processor, Composer uses fonts, styles, paragraphs, and lists, and > includes an integrated spelling checker." > > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > http://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape7/english/7.2/unix/linux/netscape-i686-pc-linux-gnu-installer.tar.gz > > > Scott Sherrill wrote: > >>> Hello all, >>> One of the many hats I wear at my school is that of Webmaster. In >>> the past I've always hand-coded the site in a text-editor, and that >>> works well for me. But, I'd like to allow my teachers and student >>> organizations to create and maintain their own Web pages. Since most >>> of them don't have any idea how to code in HTML, I'm looking for >>> something that will allow them to easily create and maintain their >>> own pages with little or no access to the actual code. I've looked >>> at PHPWebsite, but I can't seem to make it work (I don't know how to >>> get the MySQL database working properly). Can anyone here recommend >>> something quick, clean and easy? Or, alternately can someone with >>> experience offer some suggestions as to how to get PHPWebsite to play >>> nice? It looks like a fine solution, but my own ignorance is holding >>> me back. One again I await your great wisdom. >>> >> >> >> Mark - >> >> We have been using phpwebsite for a couple months now and have been >> happy. We went with it for the same reason, let folks create and >> edit pages without knowing any HTML. >> >> Where are you getting stuck sql wise? >> >> These are the steps off the top of my head: >> >> have mysql installed >> create a db for phpwebsite in mysql >> create permissions for phpwebsite to talk to it's db >> run the command flush privileges >> >> You also need to have the rpm php-mysql installed. When you run the >> installer for phpwebsite it will ask you for the db you created >> earlier, and the account with permissions to create tables. It's all >> automated after that. >> >> Where'd ya get and I will help the best I can? >> >> Our site is: http://new.hancock.k12.mi.us if you want to take a look >> and I am also using at http://teach.remc1.k12.mi.us (although it's not >> as pretty ;-) a yet to be officially released open source package for >> teachers to create their own webpages. >> >> Our local ISD is looking at mambo as an alternative for their >> hosting. http://mambo.sourceforge.net I never looked at it, can't >> comment on how it compares to phpwebsite but it's another option for you. >> >> >> Scott >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From dmw at weiten.com Tue Nov 2 14:37:45 2004 From: dmw at weiten.com (Dean Weiten) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:37:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 1.4 mbps on 100BaseT! Message-ID: <016101c4c0e9$87b16780$0290a8c0@DEN> Hi there, We had a similar (although not as bad) problem. I had an LTSP expert come down and have a look. The first thing he did was log in as root and do "netstat -i" and look at the fifth and ninth columns, those headed with "RX-ERR" and "TX-ERR". We were losing Ethernet packets due to errors. It turned out that the server's motherboard didn't like the interrupt load with APIC enabled. "APIC" is the advanced priority interrupt controller, a fancy technology to allow an interrupt-based system to support more interrupts than the original AT (which had something like only 14 interrupt lines but some were already spoken for so you had even less). The answer? Add "noapic" to the end of the "kernel" line in /boot/grub/grub.conf, then reboot. We took the additional step of disabling the APIC support in the BIOS as well. I actually made a new copy of the boot entry in grub.conf, just in case. Here are our grub.conf file contents. "SCCS" is the abbreviation we use for our school - it's just a minor customization that I've done to change the names of the boot sections in the file. #boot=/dev/hda default=0 timeout=10 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title SCCS Application Server (2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb noapic initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp.img title SCCS Application Server APIC (2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp.img title SCCS Application Server Single APIC (2.4.22-1.2199.nptl) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2199.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2199.nptl.img title SCCS Application Server OLD (2.4.22-1.2166.nptlsmp) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2166.nptlsmp ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2166.nptlsmp.img title SCCS Application Server OLD Single (2.4.22-1.2166.nptl) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2166.nptl.img Of course, no warranties are expressed or implied. Regards, Dean Weiten E-mail: dmw at weiten.com From ehrhart at ycoe.org Tue Nov 2 15:11:29 2004 From: ehrhart at ycoe.org (Ehrhart, Jay) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:11:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache user password Message-ID: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF3F36DA0@merlin.ycoe.org> Can I change the Apache user password without causing any problems to my web pages? Is it a good practice to change the Apache user password? I know how to change the password I just didn't want to cause myself any problems by doing it. Thanks, Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 2 14:30:42 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:30:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <4187936F.10204@maltzen.net> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > < > < > < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> < > < > <4186D61C.8010508@paasda.org> <4187936F.10204@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, November 2, 2004 at 10:02 AM +0000 wrote: >xhost + Rather than putting this in everyone's profile you can run it in the IceWM file in Sessions. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 2 14:31:51 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:31:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] e-smith/sme server opening ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What version of SME server are you using? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 2 14:31:51 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:31:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] e-smith/sme server opening ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What version of SME server are you using? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 2 14:41:05 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:41:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] e-smith/sme server opening ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Generally speaking in this case....if you are the one initiating the conversation (meaning initiating the transfer to the printer of the newspaper) you don't need to punch holes in the firewall. That being said...if port 53 is blocked off....simply set a port-forwarding rule to forward port 53 to the machine you're sending from. Also....SME 6.01 has port opening built in under "Configuration" in the web interface. I recommend getting 6.01 custom as it has a few other packages that are nice. http://sme.impulsivewh.co.uk/Custom_ISO/smeserver-6%5b1%5d.01-01custom.iso David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 2 14:41:05 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:41:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] e-smith/sme server opening ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Generally speaking in this case....if you are the one initiating the conversation (meaning initiating the transfer to the printer of the newspaper) you don't need to punch holes in the firewall. That being said...if port 53 is blocked off....simply set a port-forwarding rule to forward port 53 to the machine you're sending from. Also....SME 6.01 has port opening built in under "Configuration" in the web interface. I recommend getting 6.01 custom as it has a few other packages that are nice. http://sme.impulsivewh.co.uk/Custom_ISO/smeserver-6%5b1%5d.01-01custom.iso David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 2 15:45:19 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:45:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT but SME question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c4c0f2$f5183700$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Hello, We have installed an SME-Server with the mail built > in, but we can't > get the darn dns working properly. We can send mail locally, > or out, but > can't send from outside mail addresses to the SME domain > addresses. Does > anyone use webmin for dns? I'm using webmin for admining > the dns box, and > I think that this is what is wrong... Not sure how your DNS is setup but you need to go to the registrar you registered your domain with and be sure the nameservers point to whatever machines are handling external DNS. This can be the ISP's DNS or an box you control. You need to be sure the box controlling external DNS has the external IP's assigned to it not the internal natted IP's. Now I am not sure how SME handles this but in most cases you need to either setup split DNS with BIND or have two separate name servers. One needs to feed the external addresses to the public and one the internal addresses to local clients. I am wondering with the problems you describe if the reason outside addresses are unable to send to you is because they are receiving an internal address from DNS. Hope that helps --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 2 15:58:08 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:58:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 1.4 mbps on 100BaseT! (OT) In-Reply-To: <001401c4c081$6dcea570$0701000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <001d01c4c0f4$beeec9d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > No, You're not confused, I'm confused. 1.45 Mb per second > was my math based on the 109 megs in 11 minutes. (megabits, > not megabytes, but isn't 1.45 Mbps waaaay less than even > 10baseT) Okay, I am a little more clear now. I would say you definitely have a problem. I tested my setup here and from my server I download 110 megs in about 15 seconds (just watching the second hand on my watch). I would definitely start with testing your wiring, do you have a cable tester? I would check for noise if you do as well. A noisy environment will quickly bring transfers to a halt. I would test for opens, shorts, length, 568-B, and noise. As far as the ends being untwisted an extra half inch don't sweat it. I have seen far worse still transfer at decent rates. If you don't have the tools at least try to slowly work toward the server and see if you speed increases. Maybe even up to the point of putting the server CAT5 and the workstation CAT5 into a local known good switch and see if you speeds increase. Then you can slowly connect using the other 2 switches and cabling and hopefully see where things slow down. If things are slow right at the server and a local switch, then look into server hardware starting with the NIC. For testing use a known good workstation if possible. Good luck. Don't forget the case of Mountain Dew. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 2 16:03:17 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:03:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] e-smith/sme server opening ports In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002001c4c0f5$774752e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Problem1: Our student newspaper needs to upload their paper > to the printer. The printing company needs both port 80 and > 53 open to accomplish this. I cannot seem to get port 53 to > open. I have opened port 53 through server-manager console. > However when I do a port scan the port is not showing up as opened. Seems very weird that they would need port 53 open since that is used to run DNS. I am not sure what they could possibly do with that port. Maybe that is why you are having trouble with it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 2 16:13:48 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:13:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > < > < > < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> < > < > <4186D61C.8010508@paasda.org> <4187936F.10204@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4187B23C.30508@paasda.org> okay I did the 'xhost +' hack and the message DID display... I did it at the CLI as root /xmessage -center -timeout 30 -display ws251.ltsp:0 hello/ the following warnings appeared and did not return to bash prompt until a.) user clicks the 'okay', b.) timeout wears off, c.) ctrl-c Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, November 2, 2004 at 10:02 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>xhost + >> >> > >Rather than putting this in everyone's profile you can run it in the IceWM >file in Sessions. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 2 16:16:09 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:16:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > < > < > < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> < > < > <4186D61C.8010508@paasda.org> <4187936F.10204@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4187B2C9.6080804@paasda.org> Also.... my Sessions file in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM is the following...can I just put 'xhost +' inside any of the 'if/then' statements? #!/bin/bash # initiate sound configs if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] then . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh fi # icewm configurations if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/icewm ] then . /etc/sysconfig/icewm fi # use nautilus? if [ "$ICEWM_USE_NAUTILUS" = "YES" ] then /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & /usr/bin/nautilus & fi # use session or just plain icewm? if [ "$ICEWM_USE_SESSION" = "YES" ] then exec /usr/bin/icewm-session else exec /usr/bin/icewm fi David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, November 2, 2004 at 10:02 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>xhost + >> >> > >Rather than putting this in everyone's profile you can run it in the IceWM >file in Sessions. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 2 16:18:10 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:18:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache user password In-Reply-To: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF3F36DA0@merlin.ycoe.org> References: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF3F36DA0@merlin.ycoe.org> Message-ID: <4187B342.4090504@maltzen.net> It probably won't matter, as one should not be able to login with the apache ID because the shell is set to /sbin/nologin in /etc/passwd. Why do you want to change the PW? Normally, there is no password set for system IDs like this one, and I don't think it's really necessary since it doesn't have a workable shell. Petre Ehrhart, Jay wrote: > Can I change the Apache user password without causing any problems to my > web pages? Is it a good practice to change the Apache user password? I > know how to change the password I just didn?t want to cause myself any > problems by doing it. > > > > Thanks, > > Jay > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ehrhart at ycoe.org Tue Nov 2 16:19:29 2004 From: ehrhart at ycoe.org (Ehrhart, Jay) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:19:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache user password Message-ID: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF36CE02A@merlin.ycoe.org> Why? Because I am a newbie and didn't know if I should or not. Your answer helps out a lot. Thanks Jay -----Original Message----- From: Petre Scheie [mailto:petre at maltzen.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:18 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Apache user password It probably won't matter, as one should not be able to login with the apache ID because the shell is set to /sbin/nologin in /etc/passwd. Why do you want to change the PW? Normally, there is no password set for system IDs like this one, and I don't think it's really necessary since it doesn't have a workable shell. Petre Ehrhart, Jay wrote: > Can I change the Apache user password without causing any problems to my > web pages? Is it a good practice to change the Apache user password? I > know how to change the password I just didn't want to cause myself any > problems by doing it. > > > > Thanks, > > Jay > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 2 16:27:56 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:27:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <4187B23C.30508@paasda.org> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > < > < > < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> < > < > <4186D61C.8010508@paasda.org> <4187936F.10204@maltzen.net> <4187B23C.30508@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4187B58C.4060208@maltzen.net> That's why you want to put a semi-colon at the end of the xmessage command, to put it in the background so you can go on to sending the message to the next workstation. xmessage ... -display ws1:0 hello ; xmessage ... -display ws2:0 hello ; xmessage ... -display ws3:0 hello ; Using 'xhost +' in Sessions or .profile is probably a bad idea. Verify that your server is at 192.168.0.254; or whatever address it does have, make sure that's the address you put in the xhost command. Petre Huck wrote: > okay I did the 'xhost +' hack and the message DID display... > > I did it at the CLI as root /xmessage -center -timeout 30 -display > ws251.ltsp:0 hello/ > the following warnings appeared and did not return to bash prompt until > a.) user clicks the 'okay', b.) timeout wears off, c.) ctrl-c > > Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset > > David Trask wrote: > >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." on >> Tuesday, November 2, 2004 at 10:02 AM +0000 wrote: >> >> >>> xhost + >>> >> >> >> Rather than putting this in everyone's profile you can run it in the >> IceWM >> file in Sessions. >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> (207)923-3100 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bill at computassist.com Tue Nov 2 16:32:34 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:32:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <4187B23C.30508@paasda.org> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> <41825468.6000108@cox.net> <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> <4186D61C.8010508@paasda.org> <4187936F.10204@maltzen.net> <4187B23C.30508@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20041102103234.41eb0bb5@heaven> On Tuesday, Nov 02 Huck wrote: > okay I did the 'xhost +' hack and the message DID display... > > I did it at the CLI as root /xmessage -center -timeout 30 -display > ws251.ltsp:0 hello/ > the following warnings appeared and did not return to bash prompt > until a.) user clicks the 'okay', b.) timeout wears off, c.) ctrl-c > > Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion > Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset I haven't tested this, but a google for xmessage turned up an alternative: http://getgui.sourceforge.net/ Looks pretty useful from the web site description. The full man page is also available there. In particular, the -progress option looks interesting. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 2 17:07:38 2004 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:07:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] e-smith/sme server opening ports In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: I have v6.01 and have opened the port using the port opening option but it is not opening the port. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, November 2, 2004 at 9:41 AM +0000 wrote: >Generally speaking in this case....if you are the one initiating the >conversation (meaning initiating the transfer to the printer of the >newspaper) you don't need to punch holes in the firewall. That being >said...if port 53 is blocked off....simply set a port-forwarding rule to >forward port 53 to the machine you're sending from. Also....SME 6.01 has >port opening built in under "Configuration" in the web interface. I >recommend getting 6.01 custom as it has a few other packages that are >nice. >http://sme.impulsivewh.co.uk/Custom_ISO/smeserver-6%5b1%5d.01-01custom.iso > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From accessys at smart.net Tue Nov 2 17:23:35 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:23:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] more typing programs...ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, David Trask wrote: > In addition to my network admin duties....deploying laptops (I'm in > Maine), and all the linux stuff I do....I also teach :-) Anyway, this > year we're piloting a fifth grade typing program first thing every > morning. We're currently using KTouch and I like it especially since I learning to touch type was one of the most useful courses I took while in school, I do hope you are offering the Dvorak keyboard layout as an option along with the older qwerty keyboard layout. (M$ vs Linux similarity) except all computers come with both installed. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 2 17:30:49 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:30:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] e-smith/sme server opening ports In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: <1099416648.31874.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 11:07, Randall Swift wrote: > I have v6.01 and have opened the port using the port opening option but it > is not opening the port. "Opening' port 53 doesn't make much sense. DNS should already be working on port 53, but your client PCs would be using their local DNS server instead of talking directly to an outside server. Do they need something special on port 53 that doesn't work over standard public DNS? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lee at renarts.org Tue Nov 2 17:33:56 2004 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:33:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5FB6A3D2-2CF5-11D9-91A4-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> We're looking at the following for our new K12LTSP server: http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1060970 The motherboard hardware is compatible with RH9 according to the SuperMicro site, and this seems like a pretty solid way for us to get started. Anyone have any advice or warnings about this setup? Lee Myrick Information Services Administrator Renaissance Arts Academy lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org 323-259-5700 school site From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 17:43:14 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:43:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New server In-Reply-To: <5FB6A3D2-2CF5-11D9-91A4-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> References: <5FB6A3D2-2CF5-11D9-91A4-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Message-ID: <69b790a804110209435ac86ae1@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:33:56 -0800, Lee Myrick wrote: > We're looking at the following for our new K12LTSP server: > > http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1060970 > > The motherboard hardware is compatible with RH9 according to the > SuperMicro site, and this seems like a pretty solid way for us to get > started. Anyone have any advice or warnings about this setup? The motherboard *does* have on board scsi? I see the drive bays, but not that it has scsi. Roger From lee at renarts.org Tue Nov 2 17:49:16 2004 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:49:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New server In-Reply-To: <69b790a804110209435ac86ae1@mail.gmail.com> References: <5FB6A3D2-2CF5-11D9-91A4-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> <69b790a804110209435ac86ae1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83CCF9D4-2CF7-11D9-9A6E-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Yes, it has the Adaptec AIC-7902 Controller Dual-Channel Ultra320 SCSI. On Nov 2, 2004, at 9:43 AM, Roger Morris wrote: > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:33:56 -0800, Lee Myrick wrote: >> We're looking at the following for our new K12LTSP server: >> >> http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1060970 >> >> The motherboard hardware is compatible with RH9 according to the >> SuperMicro site, and this seems like a pretty solid way for us to get >> started. Anyone have any advice or warnings about this setup? > The motherboard *does* have on board scsi? I see the drive bays, but > not that it has scsi. > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 2 16:53:24 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:53:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] e-smith/sme server opening ports In-Reply-To: <1099416648.31874.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: < > <,> < > <1099416648.31874.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, November 2, 2004 at 1:30 PM +0000 wrote: >Do they need something special on port 53 that doesn't work over >standard public DNS? Good question....not only that...what do they need that is so special that it can't be done on port 80? Any idea? Randy....call me if you want...we can hash this out. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Nov 2 19:18:06 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:18:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New server In-Reply-To: <5FB6A3D2-2CF5-11D9-91A4-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> References: <5FB6A3D2-2CF5-11D9-91A4-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Message-ID: <4187DD6E.8040309@cfl.rr.com> If you're gonna spend $3000, you'd be better off with a TYAN dual Opteron motherboard. I just built a system for less than $2300: Dual Opteron 240's (full 64-bit computing, unlike Xeon) Tyan S2882 Thunder mainboard with SCSI & SATA on board, RAID 0, 1 3Ware Raid 5 card 4G RAM, expandable to 16G on board 3 WD Raptors (10Krpm SATA drives for RAID 5 array) Proware RAID 5 hot swap cage Your money, but I'd look on the TYAN site for the rackmount units that use this board. Lee Myrick wrote: > We're looking at the following for our new K12LTSP server: > > http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1060970 > > The motherboard hardware is compatible with RH9 according to the > SuperMicro site, and this seems like a pretty solid way for us to get > started. Anyone have any advice or warnings about this setup? > > > Lee Myrick > Information Services Administrator > Renaissance Arts Academy > lee at renarts.org > http://www.renarts.org > > 323-259-5700 school site > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 2 19:59:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:59:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New server In-Reply-To: <4187DD6E.8040309@cfl.rr.com> References: <5FB6A3D2-2CF5-11D9-91A4-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> <4187DD6E.8040309@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1099425561.31874.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 13:18, Brian Chase wrote: > If you're gonna spend $3000, you'd be better off with a TYAN dual > Opteron motherboard. > > I just built a system for less than $2300: > > Dual Opteron 240's (full 64-bit computing, unlike Xeon) Is there a good description somewhere of the various opteron models that shows how they relate speed-wise to each other and xeons? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Nov 2 20:24:53 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:24:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX client for LTSP Message-ID: <1099427093.9211.4.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> I packaged up what I did to get NX working on LTSP as best I can for a version 0.1, and I placed it on our SourceForge site for download, if anyone is interested: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/NX_LTSP_0.1.tgz?download The usual caveats of OSS apply, but I would be really interested in feedback. 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Especially from others who have succeeded in this as well, > and how this compares with their solutions. > > Cheers, > > -Gideon > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------- >Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > >Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 >134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 >New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Nov 2 20:54:35 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:54:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX client for LTSP In-Reply-To: <4187F21A.8020103@cfl.rr.com> References: <1099427093.9211.4.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <4187F21A.8020103@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1099428875.9211.7.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> The package is not for getting the NX server running. It is for creating the NX client as an option for the thin client to connect to an NX server. Such as: SCREEN_01 = "startx" SCREEN_02 = "startnx" Rick Stout doesn't cover that. ;) -Gideon On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:46, Brian Chase wrote: > Rick Stout's FAQ on freenx works on this as well, installed it on > K12LTSP 4.1.1 > > Gideon Romm wrote: > > > I packaged up what I did to get NX working on LTSP as best I can for a > > version 0.1, and I placed it on our SourceForge site for download, if > > anyone is interested: > > > > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/NX_LTSP_0.1.tgz?download > > > > The usual caveats of OSS apply, but I would be really interested in > > feedback. Especially from others who have succeeded in this as well, > > and how this compares with their solutions. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -Gideon > > > >-- > >-------------------------------------------------------- > >Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > > >Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > >134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > >New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > > > www.symbio-technologies.com > > www.thesymbiont.com > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Nov 2 21:27:18 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:27:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New server In-Reply-To: <4187DD6E.8040309@cfl.rr.com> References: <5FB6A3D2-2CF5-11D9-91A4-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> <4187DD6E.8040309@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1099430838.27091.19.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 14:18 -0500, Brian Chase wrote: > 3Ware Raid 5 card > 4G RAM, expandable to 16G on board > 3 WD Raptors (10Krpm SATA drives for RAID 5 array) > Proware RAID 5 hot swap cage Some would argue that SATA (even w/ 10k drives) will be slower than SCSI at the random i/o that can be a big bottleneck in an LTSP scenario. -- Dan Young dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Parkrose School District Phone: 503-408-2734 From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 21:43:41 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:43:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients not able to connect Message-ID: <20041102214342.41167.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I tried to edit re.sysinit and I seem to have done something wrong. I was hoping that this would fix my video problem. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 21:56:46 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:56:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Message-ID: <20041102215646.80188.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> I am still having a problem with Mac OS 9, Windows 2000, and Linux machines not beable to log onto my Apache server. I have Mac OS X computers that have no problems at all. The only way that I can log onto the server is by typing in the IP address. If I type in the servers name it can't find the server. I have Fedora 4.1 and Apache 2. I also have php and mysql installed. I am not sure what happened, but I need to get this server up and running, because it is in a high school. Thank you for your help. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 2 22:10:34 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:10:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <20041102215646.80188.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041102215646.80188.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <418805DA.8010305@maltzen.net> On the windows clients, what happens when you do an nslookup for the address of the apache server? Petre Jennifer Waters wrote: > I am still having a problem with Mac OS 9, Windows > 2000, and Linux machines not beable to log onto my > Apache server. I have Mac OS X computers that have no > problems at all. The only way that I can log onto the > server is by typing in the IP address. If I type in > the servers name it can't find the server. I have > Fedora 4.1 and Apache 2. I also have php and mysql > installed. I am not sure what happened, but I need to > get this server up and running, because it is in a > high school. > > Thank you for your help. > > Jennifer > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rfreidel at computergeex.com Tue Nov 2 22:09:26 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 22:09:26 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Message-ID: <20041102.Bjk.03431000@192.168.10.16> nslookup will only work if you have a dns server serving the address of your apache box. Is it a public ip? Or is it on a private network? If it is public are you allowing it through a firewall? Have you tried to use http://ip.address on the windows machines? Petre Scheie (petre at maltzen.net) wrote: > > On the windows clients, what happens when you do an nslookup for the address of > the apache server? > > Petre > > Jennifer Waters wrote: > > I am still having a problem with Mac OS 9, Windows > > 2000, and Linux machines not beable to log onto my > > Apache server. I have Mac OS X computers that have no > > problems at all. The only way that I can log onto the > > server is by typing in the IP address. If I type in > > the servers name it can't find the server. I have > > Fedora 4.1 and Apache 2. I also have php and mysql > > installed. I am not sure what happened, but I need to > > get this server up and running, because it is in a > > high school. > > > > Thank you for your help. > > > > Jennifer > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel This space intentionally left blank. http://leroy.homeunix.org From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Nov 2 22:36:50 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:36:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: NX client for LTSP In-Reply-To: <1099434835.9211.23.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> References: <1099427093.9211.4.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <1099434835.9211.23.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Message-ID: <1099435010.9211.27.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> PS: Thanks to Pete at critical control for his immediate feedback On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:33, Gideon Romm wrote: > Since I'm already on version 0.2 (had to make a minor fix to make it > work the first time. oops), I thought it better to provide the link > to the list of files: > > https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110959 > > It is the package called NX_LTSP. Grab the latest one (work in > progress)... > > -Gideon > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:24, Gideon Romm wrote: > > > I packaged up what I did to get NX working on LTSP as best I can for > > a version 0.1, and I placed it on our SourceForge site for download, > > if anyone is interested: > > > > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/NX_LTSP_0.1.tgz?download > > > > The usual caveats of OSS apply, but I would be really interested in > > feedback. Especially from others who have succeeded in this as > > well, and how this compares with their solutions. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -Gideon > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > > > www.symbio-technologies.com > > www.thesymbiont.com > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Nov 2 22:52:43 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:52:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New server In-Reply-To: <1099430838.27091.19.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <5FB6A3D2-2CF5-11D9-91A4-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> <4187DD6E.8040309@cfl.rr.com> <1099430838.27091.19.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <41880FBB.2010506@cfl.rr.com> I would agree. I can do SCSI on this mobo, just shopping around for cheap cheetah's. Dan Young wrote: >On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 14:18 -0500, Brian Chase wrote: > > >> 3Ware Raid 5 card >> 4G RAM, expandable to 16G on board >> 3 WD Raptors (10Krpm SATA drives for RAID 5 array) >> Proware RAID 5 hot swap cage >> >> > >Some would argue that SATA (even w/ 10k drives) will be slower than SCSI >at the random i/o that can be a big bottleneck in an LTSP scenario. > > > From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 23:27:30 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:27:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Message-ID: <20041102232730.27230.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> The ip address is an internal address from a dhcp server. It's ip is: 10.188.5.94. I don't know if it has to go through a firewall, because the district takes care of that. I can ping the server from any computer, I just can't get them to access the web server. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 2 23:35:26 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:35:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <418819BE.7070909@paasda.org> been work'n all day at trying to figure out how to 'automate' the /xhost +192.168.0.254 /parameter so I can broadcast to all logged-in... have tried putting it in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Default and IceWM and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/Xsession and /home//.profile and none worked... unless I needed to restart gdm or something... I was merely logging out and back in to test... --Huck Petre Scheie wrote: > I, too, was playing with xmessage, on Luis's suggestion, and came up > with this quick & dirty script (which I'll call brmsg for discussion > purposes): > > #!/bin/bash > > # brmsg: Send a broadcast message to all terminal screens > > > for x in `seq 1 30` > do > xmessage -center -timeout 10 -display 192.168.0.${x}:0.0 "$@" & > done > > > One would then call brmsg this way at a command prompt from the server: > > brmsg Please logout now or you may be expelled > > The message will pop up on the client for 10 seconds and then > disappear. It needs some refinement: For the seq range, it would be > better to get a list of clients where someone is actually logged in so > it doesn't waste time sending messages to irrelevant workstations; > using 'who -T' and piping it to awk would be one way to get such a > list. And, as David suggested, and graphical version of this would be > nicer; perhaps I'll try something in perl/tk this weekend (no > gaurantees, I've got a ton of leaves to rake). > > One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to > accept such messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver > 3.0.1 here in my cube, the clients are not. This can be fixed by adding > > xhost +192.168.0.254 > > to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be sent > from the server, but not from other clients which could be a > nightmare, e.g. clever students with too much time on their hands. > > Hopefully this is a start. > > Petre > > David Trask wrote: > >> Ok...I've never played with xmessage until now....I just tried it, >> but xmessage -Hi There! only shows up on my onw desktop.....how do I >> broadcast to all or at least to a chosen user? >> >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >> Friday, October 29, 2004 at 10:32 AM +0000 wrote: >> >>> This can be done using xmessage. Since it is part of XFree86, we >>> don't have to worry about which window manager is being used. >>> >>> One thing I'm not sure about are permission settings with xauth. It >>> also need to have the DISPLAY environmental variable temporarily set >>> to the display you wish the message to pop up on. >>> >>> Luis >>> >>> >>> David Trask wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ok....I think it's time we find a way to do this and incorporate it >>>> as a >>>> feature in something like TeacherTool. It has been brought up way too >>>> many times. This is a feature in Windows Terminal Server 2003 and >>>> should >>>> be in K12ltsp as well if we can figure it out. Any ideas? >>> >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> (207)923-3100 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 3 00:03:41 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:03:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <20041102232730.27230.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041102232730.27230.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041103000136.M91448@winonacotter.org> You may need to set up an internal DNS server that returns the internal IP to the clients. Then point the clients DNS to this server. Sometimes networks have trouble routing when DNS returns the external IP. A quick test would be to modify the local hosts file on a machine and put in an entry to point webserver.yourdomain.com to 10.188.5.94 and see if you can hit it. Also if you are doing name based virtual hosting be sure you have each virtual domain set properly. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Jennifer Waters To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:27:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache > The ip address is an internal address from a dhcp > server. It's ip is: 10.188.5.94. I don't know if it > has to go through a firewall, because the district > takes care of that. I can ping the server from any > computer, I just can't get them to access the web > server. > > Jennifer > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. ------- End of Original Message ------- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Nov 3 02:56:30 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:56:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <418819BE.7070909@paasda.org> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> <418819BE.7070909@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, November 2, 2004 at 6:35 PM +0000 wrote: >unless I needed to restart gdm or something I think you do..... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 3 03:45:13 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:45:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <20041102232730.27230.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041102232730.27230.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1099453512.6213.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:27, Jennifer Waters wrote: > The ip address is an internal address from a dhcp > server. It's ip is: 10.188.5.94. I don't know if it > has to go through a firewall, because the district > takes care of that. I can ping the server from any > computer, I just can't get them to access the web > server. The 'right' way to make servers available to clients is to give them a static IP address with the name in DNS. There are some anarchistic workarounds that sometimes sort-of work but I'd recommend trying it the right way first. The reason the internet works at all is that the authority to issue names is delegated in an orderly fashion. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Nov 3 03:04:57 2004 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (AIMS IT) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:04:57 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SCSI RAID not detected on upgrade from FC1-FC2 References: <20041102223705.9D6847332D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000a01c4c151$eafac030$0101a8c0@EDWARD> Hi, I don't know if i posted this before. Im trying to upgrade my k12 4.0 to k12 4.1.1, but for some reason, the installer wasn't able to detect the SCSI RAID card. (Adaptec 2010S). So i can't use the RAID. now, I installed K12LTSP 4.1.1 on an IDE drive, but still cannot use the SCSI RAID. Any fix on this? K12 4.0 was able to detect the RAID with i2o module. Thanks From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 3 14:10:39 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:10:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <20041102232730.27230.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c4c1ae$e5713b50$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > The ip address is an internal address from a dhcp > server. It's ip is: 10.188.5.94. I don't know if it > has to go through a firewall, because the district > takes care of that. I can ping the server from any > computer, I just can't get them to access the web > server. You definitely should follow Les' advice on this and get that thing a static IP. Can you access the web server locally with 127.0.0.1? Is your httpd.conf setup to listen on all IP's and port 80? Are you doing name based hosting or by IP? Maybe you want to attach your httpd.conf for review. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 3 14:46:27 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:46:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <418819BE.7070909@paasda.org> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> <418819BE.7070909@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4188EF43.3090005@maltzen.net> If you go to a client and, in a terminal window, type 'xhost +192.168.0.254', can you then send a message to that client via xmessage? In other words, does setting xhost manually on the client work? Petre Huck wrote: > been work'n all day at trying to figure out how to 'automate' the /xhost > +192.168.0.254 /parameter > so I can broadcast to all logged-in... > have tried putting it in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Default and IceWM and > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/Xsession > and /home//.profile and none worked... > unless I needed to restart gdm or something... I was merely logging out > and back in to test... > > --Huck > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I, too, was playing with xmessage, on Luis's suggestion, and came up >> with this quick & dirty script (which I'll call brmsg for discussion >> purposes): >> >> #!/bin/bash >> >> # brmsg: Send a broadcast message to all terminal screens >> >> >> for x in `seq 1 30` >> do >> xmessage -center -timeout 10 -display 192.168.0.${x}:0.0 "$@" & >> done >> >> >> One would then call brmsg this way at a command prompt from the server: >> >> brmsg Please logout now or you may be expelled >> >> The message will pop up on the client for 10 seconds and then >> disappear. It needs some refinement: For the seq range, it would be >> better to get a list of clients where someone is actually logged in so >> it doesn't waste time sending messages to irrelevant workstations; >> using 'who -T' and piping it to awk would be one way to get such a >> list. And, as David suggested, and graphical version of this would be >> nicer; perhaps I'll try something in perl/tk this weekend (no >> gaurantees, I've got a ton of leaves to rake). >> >> One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to >> accept such messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver >> 3.0.1 here in my cube, the clients are not. This can be fixed by adding >> >> xhost +192.168.0.254 >> >> to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be sent >> from the server, but not from other clients which could be a >> nightmare, e.g. clever students with too much time on their hands. >> >> Hopefully this is a start. >> >> Petre >> >> David Trask wrote: >> >>> Ok...I've never played with xmessage until now....I just tried it, >>> but xmessage -Hi There! only shows up on my onw desktop.....how do I >>> broadcast to all or at least to a chosen user? >>> >>> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> on >>> Friday, October 29, 2004 at 10:32 AM +0000 wrote: >>> >>>> This can be done using xmessage. Since it is part of XFree86, we >>>> don't have to worry about which window manager is being used. >>>> >>>> One thing I'm not sure about are permission settings with xauth. It >>>> also need to have the DISPLAY environmental variable temporarily set >>>> to the display you wish the message to pop up on. >>>> >>>> Luis >>>> >>>> >>>> David Trask wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ok....I think it's time we find a way to do this and incorporate it >>>>> as a >>>>> feature in something like TeacherTool. It has been brought up way too >>>>> many times. This is a feature in Windows Terminal Server 2003 and >>>>> should >>>>> be in K12ltsp as well if we can figure it out. Any ideas? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> David N. Trask >>> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>> Vassalboro Community School >>> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>> (207)923-3100 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Nov 3 15:32:24 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:32:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Broadcast message Message-ID: <1099495944.32632.30.camel@discovery.media.local> I've almost got it operational! I'm working on getting kwrited to launch automatically under gnome (it keeps dying though... how strange). The key to adding startup programs to gnome is the file /usr/share/gnome/default.session (that also where you can remove the redhat-applet). Then you can just use write or echo "My message" | wall to broadcast messages on the server. On the kwrited crashing under gnome, someone please try to run kwrited in a console so you can see the debug output, and let me know if it is dying with a "ICE default IO error handler doing an exit()...." and just use the write command to send messages to that user. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Nov 3 15:47:53 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:47:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast Message under Gnome Success! Message-ID: <1099496873.32632.39.camel@discovery.media.local> Like I mentioned before, the key is the /usr/share/gnome/default.session file. I also fixed kwrited crashing (run "kdeinit --no-kded kwrited" instead of just kwrited). Here's what you add to /usr/share/gnome/default.session at the end: 7,RestartStyleHint=3 7,Priority=70 7,RestartCommand=kdeinit --no-kded kwrited (that is a double dash btw before no) Also, you need to update num_clients by one number (ie: I changed from 7 to 8 because the range 0-7 is of course, 8) If in doubt, read the comments at the top. I have no clue how this will affect users with custom session files in their .gnome2 directories (ie: don't know if kwrited will launch if they ALREADY had a custom session). Enjoy! Happy Wednesday! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed Nov 3 15:50:48 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:50:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NX client for LTSP WORKING! In-Reply-To: <1099435010.9211.27.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> References: <1099427093.9211.4.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <1099434835.9211.23.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <1099435010.9211.27.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Message-ID: <4188FE58.8020304@criticalcontrol.com> Gideon Romm wrote: > PS: Thanks to Pete at critical control for his immediate feedback > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:33, Gideon Romm wrote: > >> /Since I'm already on version 0.2 (had to make a minor fix to make it >> work the first time. oops), I thought it better to provide the link >> to the list of files: >> // >> _https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110959_ >> >> It is the package called NX_LTSP. Grab the latest one (work in >> progress)... >> >> -Gideon >> / > Got it working :-) Nice work Gideon !! Maybe this can become part of the default K12LTSP distro... Peter From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 3 17:00:57 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:00:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <4188EF43.3090005@maltzen.net> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> <418819BE.7070909@paasda.org> <4188EF43.3090005@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <41890EC9.8070108@paasda.org> yes, setting it manually works, but if I put it in .profile it does not. --Huck Petre Scheie wrote: > If you go to a client and, in a terminal window, type 'xhost > +192.168.0.254', can you then send a message to that client via > xmessage? In other words, does setting xhost manually on the client > work? > > Petre > > Huck wrote: > >> been work'n all day at trying to figure out how to 'automate' the >> /xhost +192.168.0.254 /parameter >> so I can broadcast to all logged-in... >> have tried putting it in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Default and IceWM and >> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/Xsession >> and /home//.profile and none worked... >> unless I needed to restart gdm or something... I was merely logging >> out and back in to test... >> >> --Huck >> >> >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> I, too, was playing with xmessage, on Luis's suggestion, and came up >>> with this quick & dirty script (which I'll call brmsg for discussion >>> purposes): >>> >>> #!/bin/bash >>> >>> # brmsg: Send a broadcast message to all terminal screens >>> >>> >>> for x in `seq 1 30` >>> do >>> xmessage -center -timeout 10 -display 192.168.0.${x}:0.0 "$@" & >>> done >>> >>> >>> One would then call brmsg this way at a command prompt from the server: >>> >>> brmsg Please logout now or you may be expelled >>> >>> The message will pop up on the client for 10 seconds and then >>> disappear. It needs some refinement: For the seq range, it would be >>> better to get a list of clients where someone is actually logged in >>> so it doesn't waste time sending messages to irrelevant >>> workstations; using 'who -T' and piping it to awk would be one way >>> to get such a list. And, as David suggested, and graphical version >>> of this would be nicer; perhaps I'll try something in perl/tk this >>> weekend (no gaurantees, I've got a ton of leaves to rake). >>> >>> One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to >>> accept such messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver >>> 3.0.1 here in my cube, the clients are not. This can be fixed by >>> adding >>> >>> xhost +192.168.0.254 >>> >>> to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be >>> sent from the server, but not from other clients which could be a >>> nightmare, e.g. clever students with too much time on their hands. >>> >>> Hopefully this is a start. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> David Trask wrote: >>> >>>> Ok...I've never played with xmessage until now....I just tried it, >>>> but xmessage -Hi There! only shows up on my onw desktop.....how do I >>>> broadcast to all or at least to a chosen user? >>>> >>>> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>> on >>>> Friday, October 29, 2004 at 10:32 AM +0000 wrote: >>>> >>>>> This can be done using xmessage. Since it is part of XFree86, we >>>>> don't have to worry about which window manager is being used. >>>>> >>>>> One thing I'm not sure about are permission settings with xauth. >>>>> It also need to have the DISPLAY environmental variable >>>>> temporarily set to the display you wish the message to pop up on. >>>>> >>>>> Luis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David Trask wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Ok....I think it's time we find a way to do this and incorporate >>>>>> it as a >>>>>> feature in something like TeacherTool. It has been brought up >>>>>> way too >>>>>> many times. This is a feature in Windows Terminal Server 2003 >>>>>> and should >>>>>> be in K12ltsp as well if we can figure it out. Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David N. Trask >>>> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>>> Vassalboro Community School >>>> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>>> (207)923-3100 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 3 17:26:49 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:26:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] NX client for LTSP WORKING! In-Reply-To: <4188FE58.8020304@criticalcontrol.com> References: <1099427093.9211.4.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <1099434835.9211.23.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <1099435010.9211.27.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <4188FE58.8020304@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <1099502809.3908.5.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 08:50 -0700, Pete wrote: > Gideon Romm wrote: > > > PS: Thanks to Pete at critical control for his immediate feedback > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:33, Gideon Romm wrote: > > > >> /Since I'm already on version 0.2 (had to make a minor fix to make it > >> work the first time. oops), I thought it better to provide the link > >> to the list of files: > >> // > >> _https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110959_ > >> > >> It is the package called NX_LTSP. Grab the latest one (work in > >> progress)... > >> > >> -Gideon > >> / > > > Got it working :-) > Nice work Gideon !! > > Maybe this can become part of the default K12LTSP distro... > This is one of the items on the agenda for this weekend's LTSP developer conference ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 3 17:59:50 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:59:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list Message-ID: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals want me to work on? I have two objectives: 1) Immediate needs. What changes do you want to see in K12LTSP 4.2.0? (keeping in mind I'd like to have this finished in the next two weeks ;-) 2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12 months? Since I will be traveling, I won't have the hardware necessary to finish K12LTSP 3.2.0. It is perfectly fine to request this as a priority, but it won't get done this weekend ;-) To kick things off, here is the list of topics that have been suggested for the LTSP developer's conference: * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? * Local display manager * Local App Building/Packaging * Local app invocation * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From haysja at sages.us Wed Nov 3 18:22:05 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:22:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <418921CD.60205@sages.us> Since you titled this "Wish List", here goes: It's Brainstorming Time............. With the cost of the USB "Drives" what they are today, I would like to see support for "local" USB drives built in. It would be nice if this were something that could be turned on or off easily (GUI?) and could be managed on a per client basis. I have not tried this and it may be very easy or very difficult. Any possibilty to have wireless access to K12LTSP? That would be interesting...... A "wireless lab" of laptops with no hard drives and "bootable NICs" running K12LTSP from a server in the cart. This one would have some commercial value as well. Eric Harrison wrote: >This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. >I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. >While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals >want me to work on? > >I have two objectives: > >1) Immediate needs. What changes do you want to see in K12LTSP 4.2.0? > (keeping in mind I'd like to have this finished in the next two > weeks ;-) >2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues > issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12 > months? > >Since I will be traveling, I won't have the hardware necessary >to finish K12LTSP 3.2.0. It is perfectly fine to request this as >a priority, but it won't get done this weekend ;-) > > >To kick things off, here is the list of topics that have been >suggested for the LTSP developer's conference: > > * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? > * Local display manager > * Local App Building/Packaging > * Local app invocation > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic > > >-Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 3 18:52:40 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:52:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <418928F8.9020002@paasda.org> does a simple menu editor for kde/gnome count? I'm talking something as simple as dragging a few files from a folder into another folder so that even a grandmotherly elementary school teacher could edit the menu =) maybe I'm wishing on a star here... --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: >This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. >I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. >While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals >want me to work on? > >I have two objectives: > >1) Immediate needs. What changes do you want to see in K12LTSP 4.2.0? > (keeping in mind I'd like to have this finished in the next two > weeks ;-) >2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues > issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12 > months? > >Since I will be traveling, I won't have the hardware necessary >to finish K12LTSP 3.2.0. It is perfectly fine to request this as >a priority, but it won't get done this weekend ;-) > > >To kick things off, here is the list of topics that have been >suggested for the LTSP developer's conference: > > * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? > * Local display manager > * Local App Building/Packaging > * Local app invocation > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic > > >-Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Wed Nov 3 18:54:57 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:54:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] All The Right Type & Linux Message-ID: I am trying to run the database portion of "All the right Type" to run on my fedora box. >From what I can tell it's actually MiniDB v2.0.2.. At least that's what it says in the log file. Anyway if i cd to the directory with the dbs in it i can run /atrtserv.linux and it works great.. That is until i kill my ssh terminal window. So I tried /atrtserv.linux & Also works good till i close my ssh session with the server (weird huh?) So I added /data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/atrtserv.linux to the /etc/rc.d/rc.local Still a no go. So my question is how do I set this up as a daemon or at least get this to run and run all the time? I would think some file in init.d but i wouldn't even know how to begin writing that file! Thanks, Jamie From webmaster at vol.org Wed Nov 3 19:01:56 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:01:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1099508516.16805.89.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:59, Eric Harrison wrote: > This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. > I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. > While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals > want me to work on? Eric, I keep seeing two questions over and over on this list. The first is how to "install" apps like OpenOffice and Mozilla/Firefox for all users so that they just work when a user logs in for the first time. I keep pointing people to my scripts page (URL below). I don't know if my solution is the best one, but they work great for me. my scripts page: http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/ The other is how to print to specific printers based on the physical location of the terminal. The solution I came up with (based on the work of others) for this problem is to use the display variable, have a file containing IP numbers and printer names and the $PRINTER variable. Solutions for both of the above should work no matter what display manager and desktop are used. Having said all of that, I'm using K12LTSP 3.1.2, and the above may be included in newer versions. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From pfaffman at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 19:03:39 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:03:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9326098004110311031439abd9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:59:50 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. > I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. > While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals > want me to work on? I have at least one school that has lots of PPC macs, most running OS9 (or earlier). If there were an easy way to use those macs as thin clients it'd be great. In fact, I'd take my new LacLinux shuttle out for a demo Real Soon Now. One teacher I'm working with is interested in being able to see and/or control student's screens. Aside from the Big Brother appeal it'd also be handy to be able to share an individual's work on a projector in the front of the room. Easy integration with LDAP or other authentication server (maybe it's easy already) and means to set one up would be nice too. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From morelocj at canby.k12.or.us Wed Nov 3 19:10:31 2004 From: morelocj at canby.k12.or.us (Joseph Morelock) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:10:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <07D79E1C-2DCC-11D9-BA31-000A95ACDF20@canby.k12.or.us> I would like to see a simple network browsing tool installed by default, for those of us in the very-mixed platform environment. I have used something on Gentoo that I liked very much (I think it was called "Fish" or something like that). We could then make every Linux lab a very viable option for teachers to use with their students and their other server storage accounts. Joe On Nov 3, 2004, at 9:59 AM, Eric Harrison wrote: > This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. > I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. > While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals > want me to work on? > > To kick things off, here is the list of topics that have been > suggested for the LTSP developer's conference: > > * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? > * Local display manager > * Local App Building/Packaging > * Local app invocation > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic > > > -Eric > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Joseph Morelock Director of Network & Information Services Canby School District morelocj at canby.k12.or.us 503.266.7861 Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential escalation of a lucrative nature. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 3 19:27:43 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:27:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <002401c4c1db$30c4f7f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) These are the items I find most intriguing. Local USB drive support is a must in my mind. Not all students and staff understand working with a server, and a local USB drive that automatically mounts for file transfer would solve a lot of problems/questions. Lower bandwidth? Sounds like a no brainer even if to only gain less traffic on a local network. Access from home, better yet. I have about 20 schools in my area that have nothing but Macs from Bondi 233Mhz iMacs to new 1Ghz G4 iMacs. I would love to be able to go into those schools and tell them there would be no problem using their existing hardware in an LTSP environment. Through the help of yourself and Shawn Powers we have a workaround (Chubby clients), but to use them as actual thin clients out of the box (even if there was a packaged image to extract to the HD) would be awesome and really help my cause here. Otherwise I can't get them to switch. The way it is now, if a mac dies, they buy another one. If we had the macs die in an LTSP environment, they could slowly migrate to all x86 machines without noticing any difference. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From robowens at myway.com Wed Nov 3 19:26:49 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:26:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list Message-ID: <20041103192649.79C2B397C@mprdmxin.myway.com> I'd be interested in a K12LTSP package that is designed to sit on top of any Linux distro (not bundled with Fedora Core). At home I switched from Microsoft to Mandrake about a year ago. A few months back I installed 4.0.1 on a separate hard drive to test it out and I was pleased to see how easy it was to get it working. However, I am now using the separate hard drive for the more "responsible" purpose of backing up my system every day. I don't dare switch from Mandrake to Fedora for fear of spousal repercussions..."you changed the computer again!?" My goal is to get K12LTSP working well at home and then invite some of the local school IT guys to come over for a demonstration. I'd really like to use it with Mandrake to minimize the changes to my one-and-only home computer. If I can get the schools to adopt it, it doesn't matter to me if they use Fedora or Mandrake or whatever. I realize that I can at the ltsp package to Mandrake, but I can't seem to get the time to do all the setup (and I'm still somewhat new to Linux, so this stuff sometimes takes me a while). I'm looking for the ease-of-setup benefits of the K12LTSP disto, but without Fedora Core. -Rob --- On Wed 11/03, Eric Harrison < eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us > wrote: From: Eric Harrison [mailto: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:59:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine.
I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development.
While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals
want me to work on?

I have two objectives:

1) Immediate needs. What changes do you want to see in K12LTSP 4.2.0?
(keeping in mind I'd like to have this finished in the next two
weeks ;-)
2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues
issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12
months?

Since I will be traveling, I won't have the hardware necessary
to finish K12LTSP 3.2.0. It is perfectly fine to request this as
a priority, but it won't get done this weekend ;-)


To kick things off, here is the list of topics that have been
suggested for the LTSP developer's conference:

* LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos?
* Local display manager
* Local App Building/Packa! ging
* Local app invocation
* Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom)
* Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver)
* Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers
* Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX)
* Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients
(PPC,Sparc,StrongArm)
* Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic


-Eric
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For more info see _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From peden at americanphysicians.net Wed Nov 3 19:26:50 2004 From: peden at americanphysicians.net (Paul Eden) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:26:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <9326098004110311031439abd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <9326098004110311031439abd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099510010.2416.15.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> > I have at least one school that has lots of PPC macs, most running OS9 > (or earlier). If there were an easy way to use those macs as thin > clients it'd be great. I would also love to see new age ppc macs as thin clients. We have a lot of imacs and G4 desktops and I would love to set them up in a terminal server senario. Even a customized yellowdog or debian, or gentoo ppc cd to connect to the terminal server work work great, anything that would work without a harddrive on the client. -- Best Regards, Paul D. Eden Director of Information Systems American Physicians, Inc. peden at americanphysicians.net 602-595-8000 (DID) From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 3 19:49:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:49:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1099511341.27783.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:59, Eric Harrison wrote: > 2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues > issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12 How about a bootable client ISO with good hardware detection for PCMCIA that boots to an NX connection for low bandwidth over wireless? Longer-term: a variation of openmosix that would start processes on the client with an option to migrate to a designated set of servers - but not other clients so you don't have to worry about someone else bumping their reset button...). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Wed Nov 3 19:52:58 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:52:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099511341.27783.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <1099511341.27783.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:59, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > 2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues > > issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12 > > How about a bootable client ISO with good hardware detection for > PCMCIA that boots to an NX connection for low bandwidth over > wireless? This sounds like a small hack to Knoppix is all that is needed to boot and bring up an NX session. Really nothing LTSP in there at all. But, I think it's a very interesting and useful thing to have. > > Longer-term: a variation of openmosix that would start processes > on the client with an option to migrate to a designated set of > servers - but not other clients so you don't have to worry about > someone else bumping their reset button...). Also interesting. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From jam at mcquil.com Wed Nov 3 19:54:50 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:54:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <418921CD.60205@sages.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418921CD.60205@sages.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > Since you titled this "Wish List", here goes: It's Brainstorming > Time............. > > With the cost of the USB "Drives" what they are today, I would like to see > support for "local" USB drives built in. It would be nice if this were > something that could be turned on or off easily (GUI?) and could be managed on > a per client basis. I have not tried this and it may be very easy or very > difficult. > Any possibilty to have wireless access to K12LTSP? That would be > interesting...... A "wireless lab" of laptops with no hard drives and > "bootable NICs" running K12LTSP from a server in the cart. This one would > have some commercial value as well. I've not seen a wireless card that supports PXE or Etherboot booting. So, you'd still need some way of loading the kernel and initrd. Floppy, cdrom or USB drive most likely would do it. We do have a ltsp-wireless package, but it's really out of date. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. > > I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. > > While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals want me to work > > on? > > > > I have two objectives: > > > > 1) Immediate needs. What changes do you want to see in K12LTSP 4.2.0? > > (keeping in mind I'd like to have this finished in the next two > > weeks ;-) > > 2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues > > issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12 > > months? > > > > Since I will be traveling, I won't have the hardware necessary > > to finish K12LTSP 3.2.0. It is perfectly fine to request this as > > a priority, but it won't get done this weekend ;-) > > > > > > To kick things off, here is the list of topics that have been > > suggested for the LTSP developer's conference: > > > > * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? > > * Local display manager > > * Local App Building/Packaging > > * Local app invocation > > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) > > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers > > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) > > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients > > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) > > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic > > > > > > -Eric > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peden at americanphysicians.net Wed Nov 3 19:58:58 2004 From: peden at americanphysicians.net (Paul Eden) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:58:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099511341.27783.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <1099511341.27783.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1099511937.2416.20.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> > How about a bootable client ISO with good hardware detection for > PCMCIA that boots to an NX connection for low bandwidth over > wireless? I know that http://thinstation.sourceforge.net has wireless modules (but unfortunately not ndis-wrapper yet), the nomachine NX client, and can make a bootable iso. I haven't tried it yet, but it is going in the right direction for a thin client (much smaller footprint on the client than knoppix). Also, http://pxes.sourceforge.net has an NX client, no wireless modules (as of yet) but you can add them in. Paul Eden > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Best Regards, Paul D. Eden Director of Information Systems American Physicians, Inc. peden at americanphysicians.net 602-595-8000 (DID) From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Nov 3 20:30:21 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:30:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418921CD.60205@sages.us> Message-ID: <1099513820.21393.57.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> If anyone's interested in wireless, we've been very successful with simply using an access point and a bridge connected to the thin client (or cluster of thin clients connected by a cheap switch). A wireless bridge is easy to configure and easy to swap out when the next latest and greatest wireless standard comes out. It is about as cheap as a wireless card and there's no muss no fuss. From the thin client's point of view, nothing's changed, and it PXE/Etherboots as usual. The wireless link is transparent. You can also get more bang-for-your-buck if rather than using 1 bridge per thin client, you use 1 bridge per cluster of thin clients connected by a switch. You can make wireless thin client islands and divide the cost of the bridge by the number of workstations. Using NX as the client connection makes a lot of sense with wireless, but that's an application server choice. :) -Gideon On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 14:54, Jim McQuillan wrote: > On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > > > Since you titled this "Wish List", here goes: It's Brainstorming > > Time............. > > > > With the cost of the USB "Drives" what they are today, I would like to see > > support for "local" USB drives built in. It would be nice if this were > > something that could be turned on or off easily (GUI?) and could be managed on > > a per client basis. I have not tried this and it may be very easy or very > > difficult. > > Any possibilty to have wireless access to K12LTSP? That would be > > interesting...... A "wireless lab" of laptops with no hard drives and > > "bootable NICs" running K12LTSP from a server in the cart. This one would > > have some commercial value as well. > > I've not seen a wireless card that supports PXE or Etherboot booting. > So, you'd still need some way of loading the kernel and initrd. Floppy, > cdrom or USB drive most likely would do it. > > We do have a ltsp-wireless package, but it's really out of date. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. > > > I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. > > > While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals want me to work > > > on? > > > > > > I have two objectives: > > > > > > 1) Immediate needs. What changes do you want to see in K12LTSP 4.2.0? > > > (keeping in mind I'd like to have this finished in the next two > > > weeks ;-) > > > 2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues > > > issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12 > > > months? > > > > > > Since I will be traveling, I won't have the hardware necessary > > > to finish K12LTSP 3.2.0. It is perfectly fine to request this as > > > a priority, but it won't get done this weekend ;-) > > > > > > > > > To kick things off, here is the list of topics that have been > > > suggested for the LTSP developer's conference: > > > > > > * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? > > > * Local display manager > > > * Local App Building/Packaging > > > * Local app invocation > > > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > > > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) > > > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers > > > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) > > > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients > > > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) > > > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic > > > > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Nov 3 20:42:24 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:42:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <418921CD.60205@sages.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418921CD.60205@sages.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Nov 3 2004 at 13:22 +0000 wrote: >Any possibilty to have wireless access to K12LTSP? That would be >interesting...... A "wireless lab" of laptops with no hard drives and >"bootable NICs" running K12LTSP from a server in the cart. This one >would have some commercial value as well. This can be done already....to some degree. BUT....the low 11mbs or even 54 mbs rate on the wifi cards makes it a bit slow, but one thing we'll look at this weekend is if using NX can solve this issue at least until wifi speeds catch up David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Nov 3 20:43:40 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:43:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099508516.16805.89.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <1099508516.16805.89.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Nov 3 2004 at 14:01 +0000 wrote: >Having said all of that, I'm using K12LTSP 3.1.2, and the above may be >included in newer versions. For me...the printing issue is for the most part solved in 4.1 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Nov 3 20:44:57 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:44:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <9326098004110311031439abd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <9326098004110311031439abd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: pfaffman at relaxpc.com on Wed Nov 3 2004 at 14:03 +0000 wrote: >Easy integration with LDAP or other authentication server (maybe it's >easy already) and means to set one up would be nice too. It's very possible as I do it...and others too, but I agree...it ain't easy...I too would like to see it get scripted and/or packaged up David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Nov 3 20:46:14 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:46:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099510010.2416.15.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <9326098004110311031439abd9@mail.gmail.com> <1099510010.2416.15.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Nov 3 2004 at 14:26 +0000 wrote: >Even a customized yellowdog or debian, or gentoo ppc cd to connect to >the terminal server work work great, anything that would work without a >harddrive on the client. How about a customized Knoppix PPC CD? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Nov 3 20:50:09 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:50:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX client for LTSP WORKING! In-Reply-To: <1099502809.3908.5.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099427093.9211.4.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> < > <1099434835.9211.23.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> < > <1099435010.9211.27.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> < > <4188FE58.8020304@criticalcontrol.com> <1099502809.3908.5.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Maybe you guys can help me figure out why I can't get it working (dammit!) ;-) Not sure if it's an LDAP issue or a security issue "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Nov 3 2004 at 12:26 +0000 wrote: >On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 08:50 -0700, Pete wrote: >> Gideon Romm wrote: >> >> > PS: Thanks to Pete at critical control for his immediate feedback >> > >> > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:33, Gideon Romm wrote: >> > >> >> /Since I'm already on version 0.2 (had to make a minor fix to make >it >> >> work the first time. oops), I thought it better to provide the link >> >> to the list of files: >> >> // >> >> _https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110959_ >> >> >> >> It is the package called NX_LTSP. Grab the latest one (work in >> >> progress)... >> >> >> >> -Gideon >> >> / >> > >> Got it working :-) >> Nice work Gideon !! >> >> Maybe this can become part of the default K12LTSP distro... >> > >This is one of the items on the agenda for this weekend's LTSP >developer conference ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed Nov 3 20:42:13 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:42:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <9326098004110311031439abd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418942A5.9030700@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peden at americanphysicians.net Wed Nov 3 20:54:12 2004 From: peden at americanphysicians.net (Paul Eden) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:54:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <9326098004110311031439abd9@mail.gmail.com> <1099510010.2416.15.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> Message-ID: <1099515252.2416.29.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 13:46, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wed Nov 3 2004 at 14:26 +0000 wrote: > >Even a customized yellowdog or debian, or gentoo ppc cd to connect to > >the terminal server work work great, anything that would work without a > >harddrive on the client. > > How about a customized Knoppix PPC CD? Is there an Knoppix PPC available? Is it stable? -- Best Regards, Paul D. Eden Director of Information Systems American Physicians, Inc. peden at americanphysicians.net 602-595-8000 (DID) From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Nov 3 20:59:24 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:59:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX client for LTSP WORKING! In-Reply-To: References: <1099427093.9211.4.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> < > <1099434835.9211.23.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> < > <1099435010.9211.27.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> < > <4188FE58.8020304@criticalcontrol.com> <1099502809.3908.5.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1099515564.21393.74.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Make sure you grab v0.3. It has the updated README, which includes the following point: >>> SNIP <<< Once you've finished copying the files, you must copy the NX Server's client.id_dsa.key file to the LTSP tree. If you are using the FreeNX server on the LTSP server, you can do this simply by executing: cp /home/.nx/.ssh/client.id_dsa.key /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/NX/share/client.id_dsa.key chmod 644 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/NX/share/client.id_dsa.key If you want to connect to a different server, then you must place its key in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/NX/share/client.id_dsa.key instead. >>> SNIP <<< (v0.1 had a bug and shouldn't be used) -Gideon On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 15:50, David Trask wrote: > Maybe you guys can help me figure out why I can't get it working (dammit!) > ;-) Not sure if it's an LDAP issue or a security issue > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wed Nov 3 2004 at 12:26 +0000 wrote: > >On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 08:50 -0700, Pete wrote: > >> Gideon Romm wrote: > >> > >> > PS: Thanks to Pete at critical control for his immediate feedback > >> > > >> > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:33, Gideon Romm wrote: > >> > > >> >> /Since I'm already on version 0.2 (had to make a minor fix to make > >it > >> >> work the first time. oops), I thought it better to provide the link > >> >> to the list of files: > >> >> // > >> >> _https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110959_ > >> >> > >> >> It is the package called NX_LTSP. Grab the latest one (work in > >> >> progress)... > >> >> > >> >> -Gideon > >> >> / > >> > > >> Got it working :-) > >> Nice work Gideon !! > >> > >> Maybe this can become part of the default K12LTSP distro... > >> > > > >This is one of the items on the agenda for this weekend's LTSP > >developer conference ;-) > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Nov 3 21:21:33 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:21:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <41894BDD.5050804@netscape.net> eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. >I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. >While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals >want me to work on? > >I have two objectives: > >1) Immediate needs. What changes do you want to see in K12LTSP 4.2.0? > (keeping in mind I'd like to have this finished in the next two > weeks ;-) >2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues > issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12 > months? > >Since I will be traveling, I won't have the hardware necessary >to finish K12LTSP 3.2.0. It is perfectly fine to request this as >a priority, but it won't get done this weekend ;-) > > >To kick things off, here is the list of topics that have been >suggested for the LTSP developer's conference: > > * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? > * Local display manager > * Local App Building/Packaging > * Local app invocation > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic > > >-Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi Eric, Well you asked for it .... 1) Simple administration tools similar to those available on OSX management console. i.e. ability to assign applications to groups of users or to individual users. 2) Remote viewing console used by teachers to monitor AND control what the "little monsters" are doing 3) Simple reporting tool that generates a detailed list of the activities of a given user. Again not as a root tool but a Teacher tool 4) Application selection on the fly ...... i.e once the kids have completed their work turn on games/browsing but if they haven't then they can't do anything else. I have a much longer list but I don't want to discourage you since you've already have contributed so much to this project. ..... OH wireless thin-clients would also be great particularly for those "snooty" private schools that have to have the latest & greatest and actually have MONEY to PAY for it. thanks again and my regrets as I sadly will not be able to attend the conference. norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Wed Nov 3 21:58:02 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:58:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <002401c4c1db$30c4f7f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002401c4c1db$30c4f7f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1099519081.11878.109.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 20:27, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > These are the items I find most intriguing. > > Local USB drive support is a must in my mind. Not all students and > staff understand working with a server, and a local USB drive that > automatically mounts for file transfer would solve a lot of > problems/questions. Would it be possible to have all local drives mount under the current user? Eg. User a has e usb-pen and a cdrom on his ws User b has a floppy on his ws User c has a usbpen on his ws would automaticaly generate /home/a/localdisks/usb-pen /home/a/localdisks/cdrom /home/b/localdisks/floppy /home/c/localdisks/usb-pen > Lower bandwidth? Sounds like a no brainer even if to only gain less > traffic on a local network. Access from home, better yet. I would like that, as I often manages remote sites. Even though I prefer a ssh-shell to do most things, it's a little difficult to debug GUIs via X over an ADSL with 128/512 witch is very common here in denmakr -- Henning Wangerin From samps at redjocks.com Wed Nov 3 22:01:47 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:31:47 +1030 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4189554B.3060803@redjocks.com> Eric Harrison wrote: >2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues > issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12 > months? > > Yes, please, USB pendrive support, with automount and a popup window showing contents of the drive (now, where have I seen that behaviour before?) Printers. If I, as root, install all our schools printers, then they're immediately available for all clients to use. Great, but... we are running an accounting system for printing (PAS, from Software Metrics), and all printjobs from LTSP clients get billed to the administrator, whose credentials were used to install the printer (or is it because printing runs in a different context than that of 'user'?). So, what I'd like to see is, either an easy (easy = double-click) way for anyone to install a printer or some ugly hack to send the logged on users credentials to the printserver (W2k SRV) for billing. cheers Samps Grant High School, South Australia From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Nov 3 22:16:18 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:16:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <418958B2.1020309@cox.net> I don't have the latest k12ltsp, but is content filtering(Dan's Gaurdian/ Squid) an install option? Would be nice to have this super easy to configure. Luis Eric Harrison wrote: >This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. >I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. >While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals >want me to work on? > >I have two objectives: > >1) Immediate needs. What changes do you want to see in K12LTSP 4.2.0? > (keeping in mind I'd like to have this finished in the next two > weeks ;-) >2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues > issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12 > months? > >Since I will be traveling, I won't have the hardware necessary >to finish K12LTSP 3.2.0. It is perfectly fine to request this as >a priority, but it won't get done this weekend ;-) > > >To kick things off, here is the list of topics that have been >suggested for the LTSP developer's conference: > > * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? > * Local display manager > * Local App Building/Packaging > * Local app invocation > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic > > >-Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 3 22:13:48 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:13:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <4189554B.3060803@redjocks.com> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <4189554B.3060803@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <4189581C.1040600@paasda.org> Have you checked out PyKota? http://www.librelogiciel.com/software/PyKota/action_Presentation very easy to use --Huck Samps wrote: > Printers. If I, as root, install all our schools printers, then > they're immediately available for all clients to use. Great, but... we > are running an accounting system for printing (PAS, from Software > Metrics), and all printjobs from LTSP clients get billed to the > administrator, whose credentials were used to install the printer (or > is it because printing runs in a different context than that of 'user'?). > So, what I'd like to see is, either an easy (easy = double-click) way > for anyone to install a printer or some ugly hack to send the logged > on users credentials to the printserver (W2k SRV) for billing. > > > cheers > Samps > > Grant High School, South Australia From peden at americanphysicians.net Wed Nov 3 22:14:10 2004 From: peden at americanphysicians.net (Paul Eden) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:14:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <418958B2.1020309@cox.net> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418958B2.1020309@cox.net> Message-ID: <1099520049.2416.35.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 15:16, Luis Montes wrote: > I don't have the latest k12ltsp, but is content filtering(Dan's > Gaurdian/ Squid) an install option? > Would be nice to have this super easy to configure. Great idea. -- Best Regards, Paul D. Eden Director of Information Systems American Physicians, Inc. peden at americanphysicians.net 602-595-8000 (DID) From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 3 22:22:42 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:22:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1099520562.3908.68.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:59 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. > I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. > While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals > want me to work on? I'll add one of my own ;-) * reliable sound support -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 17:22, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:59 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > > This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. > > I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. > > While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals > > want me to work on? > > I'll add one of my own ;-) > > * reliable sound support > > -Eric > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Robert Harrelson Inside Washington Publishers 703-416-8505 800-424-9068 robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 3 22:35:58 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:35:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099520049.2416.35.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418958B2.1020309@cox.net> <1099520049.2416.35.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> Message-ID: <1099521358.3908.74.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 15:14 -0700, Paul Eden wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 15:16, Luis Montes wrote: > > I don't have the latest k12ltsp, but is content filtering(Dan's > > Gaurdian/ Squid) an install option? > > Would be nice to have this super easy to configure. > > Great idea. > squidGuard is reasonably well integrated, and installed if you choose the "http" package group. DansGuardian is included in the later versions of K12LTSP, but there is no install option and it is not integrated as well as squidGuard. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Wed Nov 3 22:55:45 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (Joseph Bishay) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:55:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Wish list In-Reply-To: <20041103222538.AE64C73C37@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41891BA1.29584.57AD8A3@localhost> Hello, > From: Paul Eden > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Wish list > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 15:16, Luis Montes wrote: > > I don't have the latest k12ltsp, but is content filtering(Dan's > > Gaurdian/ Squid) an install option? Would be nice to have this super > > easy to configure. > > Great idea. > > -- > Best Regards, > > Paul D. Eden > Director of Information Systems > American Physicians, Inc. > peden at americanphysicians.net > 602-595-8000 (DID) > This already exists, as I just found out last week, with SquidGuard. Already setup and updates automagically. Works beautifully I must say. And it was only AFTER I got it working that I found out about the k12ltsp Wiki entries about how to get it up and running. And I'd like to also add my voice to getting sound/multimedia working in an easier manner! Thanks. Joseph From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Nov 3 23:35:56 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:35:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New server In-Reply-To: <1099425561.31874.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <5FB6A3D2-2CF5-11D9-91A4-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> <4187DD6E.8040309@cfl.rr.com> <1099425561.31874.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41896B5C.4000800@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 13:18, Brian Chase wrote: > > >>If you're gonna spend $3000, you'd be better off with a TYAN dual >>Opteron motherboard. >> >>I just built a system for less than $2300: >> >> Dual Opteron 240's (full 64-bit computing, unlike Xeon) >> >> > >Is there a good description somewhere of the various opteron models >that shows how they relate speed-wise to each other and xeons? > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > Yes, there is. It's on www.tomshardware.com, in the Processors section. I found it very informative indeed. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Nov 3 23:38:25 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:38:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] All The Right Type & Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41896BF1.2020406@cmosnetworks.com> Jamie McParland wrote: >I am trying to run the database portion of "All the right Type" to run on my >fedora box. > >>From what I can tell it's actually MiniDB v2.0.2.. At least that's what it >says in the log file. > >Anyway if i cd to the directory with the dbs in it i can run > >/atrtserv.linux > >and it works great.. That is until i kill my ssh terminal window. So I tried > >/atrtserv.linux & > >Also works good till i close my ssh session with the server (weird huh?) > >So I added > >/data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/atrtserv.linux > >to the > >/etc/rc.d/rc.local > >Still a no go. > >So my question is how do I set this up as a daemon or at least get this to >run and run all the time? >I would think some file in init.d but i wouldn't even know how to begin >writing that file! > >Thanks, >Jamie > > What error messages did you get when you tried putting it in /etc/rc.d/rc.local? Also, did you add the "&" to the end of the line in /etc/rc.d/rc.local? --TP From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Nov 4 00:07:25 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:07:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> Eric Harrison wrote: >This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. >I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. >While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals >want me to work on? > > If you wanna see how many people are on the list... just ask for a wish list :-) Clustering is one of my favorites although I think just like things like squid/dansguardian it shouldn't be something that the (K12)LTSP guru's work on. Those things exist and can be added to a LTSP env. manually... Menu editing (one and the same for KDE/Gnome/ICE/...) we should ask that one to the opendesktop guys shouldn't we? Pure (K12)LTSP functionality is what needs focus (I think) local usb (webcam keychain scanner printer) access multimedia on the client (without frying the server) wireless clients (maybe...) support for more types of disklessclients with odd (but popular) graphic cards etc. And a way to leave XSERVER=auto and still have every client using it's optimum resolution/color depth (without per client configurations in lts.conf) my 2cents Canadian Peter From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 4 00:35:08 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 17:07 -0700, Pete wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > > >This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. > >I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. > >While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals > >want me to work on? > > > > > If you wanna see how many people are on the list... just ask for a wish > list :-) ;-) > Clustering is one of my favorites although I think just like things like > squid/dansguardian it shouldn't be something that the (K12)LTSP guru's > work on. Web filtering is something that many of us have to support, and like LTSP tends to not be included in the base distros. While a separate issue, they are complimentary in a way. Clustering I agree is a different story. I've worked on OpenMosix support in the past, but the support aspect of it is much greater than the benefits of having it pre-packaged. Too little benefit for too much work to justify having it integrated into the base. On the other hand, there is the coolness factor ;-) > Those things exist and can be added to a LTSP env. manually... > Menu editing (one and the same for KDE/Gnome/ICE/...) we should ask that > one to the opendesktop guys shouldn't we? Many of the things listed so far are up-stream projects. None of us will be working on them, but hopefully we can influence those who do. KDE/Gnome menu- editing is a perfect example, I've spent a fair amount of time hitting various Gnome/KDE developers over the head on this one. Integrated LDAP support is another... As I've been collecting these suggestions, I've been filing them into three categories: 1) stuff I can do (K12LTSP-specific stuff) 2) stuff I can help with (core LTSP devel, etc) 3) stuff I can bug other people about I'll post a thread-to-date summary in a little while. > Pure (K12)LTSP functionality is what needs focus (I think) > local usb (webcam keychain scanner printer) access > multimedia on the client (without frying the server) > wireless clients (maybe...) > support for more types of disklessclients with odd (but popular) graphic > cards etc. > And a way to leave XSERVER=auto and still have every client using it's > optimum resolution/color depth > (without per client configurations in lts.conf) Having LTSP auto-detect the optimal resolution/depth is an interesting one. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've summarized items and put them in one of three categories: 1) stuff I'll do (K12LTSP projects), 2) stuff I'll help do (mostly LTSP-core development), and 3) stuff I'll bug other people about (Gnome/KDE/x.org/distro/etc enhancements). -Eric K12LTSP projects ---------------- * Separation of K12LTSP packages, installable on other distros (DONE in v4.2.0) * "reset" scripts (see http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/) * Default printer based on location (push upstream to LTSP?) * Full DansGuardian integration Upstream Projects ----------------- LTSP-specific: * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? * Local display manager * Local App Building/Packaging * Local app invocation * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic * Improved wireless client support * Bootable ISO (based on knoppix, thinstation, or pxes?) * Reliable sound/multi-media support * Wider support for client video cards * XSERVER=auto determine max screen/video resolution/depth Distro/Gnome/KDE/etc: * Network browser (DONE in latest versions of KDE/Gnome?) * Simple server administration tools * Simple reporting tool on user activities * Application selection on the fly, administratively turn apps on/off * Kde/gnome menu editing * LDAP authentication, LDAP server setup * OpenMosix -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 4 01:06:49 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:06:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] NX client for LTSP WORKING! In-Reply-To: <1099515564.21393.74.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Message-ID: <20041104010649.16061.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> I have a few servers that share the same /home directory. Once one nx server is installed, I installed another nx server on another box, but it overworte the nx user home files (with a new key file). How do I get all of my servers to get the nx server installed and share the same key pair? Chris --- Gideon Romm wrote: > Make sure you grab v0.3. It has the updated README, > which includes the > following point: > > >>> SNIP <<< > > Once you've finished copying the files, you must > copy the NX Server's > client.id_dsa.key file to the LTSP tree. If you are > using the FreeNX > server on the LTSP server, you can do this simply by > executing: > > > cp /home/.nx/.ssh/client.id_dsa.key > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/NX/share/client.id_dsa.key > chmod 644 > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/NX/share/client.id_dsa.key > > If you want to connect to a different server, then > you must place its > key in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/NX/share/client.id_dsa.key > instead. > > >>> SNIP <<< > > (v0.1 had a bug and shouldn't be used) > > -Gideon > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 15:50, David Trask wrote: > > > Maybe you guys can help me figure out why I can't > get it working (dammit!) > > ;-) Not sure if it's an LDAP issue or a security > issue > > > > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > > Wed Nov 3 2004 at 12:26 +0000 wrote: > > >On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 08:50 -0700, Pete wrote: > > >> Gideon Romm wrote: > > >> > > >> > PS: Thanks to Pete at critical control for > his immediate feedback > > >> > > > >> > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:33, Gideon Romm > wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> /Since I'm already on version 0.2 (had to > make a minor fix to make > > >it > > >> >> work the first time. oops), I thought it > better to provide the link > > >> >> to the list of files: > > >> >> // > > >> >> > _https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110959_ > > >> >> > > >> >> It is the package called NX_LTSP. Grab the > latest one (work in > > >> >> progress)... > > >> >> > > >> >> -Gideon > > >> >> / > > >> > > > >> Got it working :-) > > >> Nice work Gideon !! > > >> > > >> Maybe this can become part of the default > K12LTSP distro... > > >> > > > > > >This is one of the items on the agenda for this > weekend's LTSP > > >developer conference ;-) > > > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Product R&D > gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) > 576-1205 > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) > 576-0944 > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) > 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Thu Nov 4 01:33:31 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:33:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list summary verison 0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1099529742.6056.7.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099529742.6056.7.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1099532010.4261.7.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 01:55, Eric Harrison wrote: > Here are the initial wish-list items. Keep'em coming! > Upstream Projects > ----------------- > > LTSP-specific: > > * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? > * Local display manager > * Local App Building/Packaging > * Local app invocation > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic > * Improved wireless client support > * Bootable ISO (based on knoppix, thinstation, or pxes?) > * Reliable sound/multi-media support > * Wider support for client video cards > * XSERVER=auto determine max screen/video resolution/depth A utility to easy manage graphics-boards and monitors, when hand-selection is requeired on old hardware. (Well the boars should be autodetected, som only the monitor-selection i s requeired ;-)) On fat clients there is a utility where you select your monitor, and all settings "magically" appears. It would be great to have access to that list when configuring a ws too. -- Henning Wangerin From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 4 03:14:54 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:14:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com on Wednesday, November 3, 2004 at 7:07 PM +0000 wrote: >my 2cents Canadian for the most part...worthless ;-) (kidding) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robark at telus.net Thu Nov 4 04:08:14 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:08:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4189AB2E.8000006@telus.net> Here goes! Not all are absolutely necessary but it's a wish list. > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > > Yes usb pen drive support is a must for the future. > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) > > Yes TeacherTool + VNC Reflector shadowing type stuff to monitor students and show/demo instruction should be built in by default. > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers > > -A section in the documentation for admin on how to write your own common bash scripts (adding users with the same password and username format like c1, c2 ,c3 with all same password. ) -A dir full of useful scripts and how to use them. Like how to clean up memory after a certain time. Especially when kids powerdown without logging off. ( I know about unclean but I don't feel there is enough documentation/user feedback on it) -A means to prevent any one user from eating up too much ram and exhausting the server I know this is in the wiki but it only addresses certain apps -Simple reliable (GUI) way to set disk quota's without hosing the system. Tried it already but hosed the system. -One simple root command to stop absolutely all communication between clients. (for when students write coding tests) I know #ifdown eth1 will take down the net but it won't prevent kids from sending files/typing to each other -Method to absolutely prevent same username logging on more than once at same time. ( I tried it on 3.1.2 according to list info but it did not work) again to prevent cheating -Method to set printing quotas per user. So kids can't send 50 pages to print > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic > > > Method students/admin can log in from home residents. (If already possible it needs to be in the docs or wiki) Robert Arkiletian From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 4 03:59:29 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:59:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1099540768.9265.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:35, Eric Harrison wrote: > Having LTSP auto-detect the optimal resolution/depth is an interesting > one. How about using the knoppix-flavored network boot client unless there is something better at hardware autotdetect? Like the ISO it would just take a small change to make it come up as a thin client or running NX. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu Nov 4 07:28:08 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:28:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot Broadcom 5700 Message-ID: <64614.195.84.143.98.1099553288.squirrel@195.84.143.98> Hi! I have a bit of a hard time with a Broadcom 5700 nic. It isnt supported by etherboot or rom-o-matic but there is a gpl driver on the broadcom homepage. Does anyone know howto add a nic driver to a running system? I must be doing it wrong somehow. Right now my boss keeps me between a rock and a hard place. Cheers! Daniel -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From john at coronet.co.uk Thu Nov 4 08:06:52 2004 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:06:52 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Wish list Message-ID: <1099555611.10504.2.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 17:22, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:59 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: ... > > While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals > > want me to work on? > > I'll add one of my own ;-) > > * reliable sound support > > -Eric Second that! John Ingleby ************ Webmaster - www.schoolforge.org.uk From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Nov 4 08:28:27 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:28:27 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list summary verison 0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1099529742.6056.7.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099529742.6056.7.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200411040828.28156.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 04 Nov 2004 12:55 am, Eric Harrison wrote: > Here are the initial wish-list items. Keep'em coming! One thing the teachers here would like is the ability to mirror one X session onto a selcted number of other X sessions. Let me explain. The teacher runs a thin client just as the classroom full of students do. The teacher would like to bring up say a ooimpress presentation on their session and have it display on all of the students machines at the same time, so that the entrie class can view the presentation. Currently they are using projects for this but the teachers reckon they would get more attention if the lesson was presented directly on the kids vdus. If this could be made to work, which it probably could but I have no idea of how, then the reverse could be done, ie the teacher could monitor one or more vdus and take control of them if necessary -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu Nov 4 09:04:02 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:04:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list summary verison 0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <04Nov4.015837cet.87552@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Nov4.015837cet.87552@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <59202.195.84.143.98.1099559042.squirrel@195.84.143.98> I can second NX or X over ssh! I would love to be able to let the users get access to their desktop from other places like the internet. The old problem of giving access to files on the network is then solved because the users can access them and the applications they are created with from anywhere. Ive tried NX and its very good as of today on smaller connections like ADSL. (Pretty plz?) /daniel > Here are the initial wish-list items. Keep'em coming! > > I've summarized items and put them in one of three categories: > 1) stuff I'll do (K12LTSP projects), 2) stuff I'll help do (mostly > LTSP-core development), and 3) stuff I'll bug other people about > (Gnome/KDE/x.org/distro/etc enhancements). > > -Eric > > K12LTSP projects > ---------------- > > * Separation of K12LTSP packages, installable on other distros (DONE in > v4.2.0) > * "reset" scripts (see > http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/) > * Default printer based on location (push upstream to LTSP?) > * Full DansGuardian integration > > > Upstream Projects > ----------------- > > LTSP-specific: > > * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? > * Local display manager > * Local App Building/Packaging > * Local app invocation > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic > * Improved wireless client support > * Bootable ISO (based on knoppix, thinstation, or pxes?) > * Reliable sound/multi-media support > * Wider support for client video cards > * XSERVER=auto determine max screen/video resolution/depth > > > Distro/Gnome/KDE/etc: > > * Network browser (DONE in latest versions of KDE/Gnome?) > * Simple server administration tools > * Simple reporting tool on user activities > * Application selection on the fly, administratively turn apps on/off > * Kde/gnome menu editing > * LDAP authentication, LDAP server setup > * OpenMosix > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Nov 4 10:55:54 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 06:55:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot Broadcom 5700 In-Reply-To: <64614.195.84.143.98.1099553288.squirrel@195.84.143.98> References: <64614.195.84.143.98.1099553288.squirrel@195.84.143.98> Message-ID: <1099565753.22059.11.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 03:28, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > Hi! > > I have a bit of a hard time with a Broadcom 5700 nic. It isnt supported by > etherboot or rom-o-matic but there is a gpl driver on the broadcom the broadcom 5700 is supported in etherboot by the tg3 driver and romomatic does indeed have that driver. The only issue you may run into is that it might not support your card correctly. There are more 5700 versions then I can count and some of them require uploading firmware to fix issues in the chip. Etherboot, because of the size of the firmware does not support this. So, download the tg3 driver, try it out and if you have problems post them to the etherboot-users list. regards Tim Legge From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Thu Nov 4 11:51:17 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:51:17 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list summary verison 0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1099529742.6056.7.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099529742.6056.7.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <418A17B5.2000005@redeemer.qld.edu.au> YES! "1) Simple administration tools similar to those available on OSX management console. i.e. ability to assign applications to groups of users or to individual users." (a post from Norbert) As I work in a primary school, the ideal would be to have a lot more control over what students can use and access: - control over what students see on the net (easy dansguardian install) - plus the ability to restrict the apps (in the menu not just desktop icons) available to different year groups - plus the ability to stop kids fiddling around with menus & desktop background settings when they should be getting on with work... is there a way to disable the right click menu on desktop and taskbars? OH, and a DRIVER FOR SCSI ADAPTEC AIC-79xx. Otherwise we won't be able to use 4.2.0. and all its lovely new goodies... *sniff* Thanks, Debbie Eric Harrison wrote: > Here are the initial wish-list items. Keep'em coming! > > I've summarized items and put them in one of three categories: > 1) stuff I'll do (K12LTSP projects), 2) stuff I'll help do (mostly > LTSP-core development), and 3) stuff I'll bug other people about > (Gnome/KDE/x.org/distro/etc enhancements). > > -Eric > > K12LTSP projects > ---------------- > > * Separation of K12LTSP packages, installable on other distros (DONE in > v4.2.0) > * "reset" scripts (see > http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/) > * Default printer based on location (push upstream to LTSP?) > * Full DansGuardian integration > > > Upstream Projects > ----------------- > > LTSP-specific: > > * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? > * Local display manager > * Local App Building/Packaging > * Local app invocation > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic > * Improved wireless client support > * Bootable ISO (based on knoppix, thinstation, or pxes?) > * Reliable sound/multi-media support > * Wider support for client video cards > * XSERVER=auto determine max screen/video resolution/depth > > > Distro/Gnome/KDE/etc: > > * Network browser (DONE in latest versions of KDE/Gnome?) > * Simple server administration tools > * Simple reporting tool on user activities > * Application selection on the fly, administratively turn apps on/off > * Kde/gnome menu editing > * LDAP authentication, LDAP server setup > * OpenMosix > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Nov 4 11:57:59 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:57:59 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <200411041116.iA4BG6R27870@downeast.net> i use sshvnc-applet on a web server (with vnc thru xinetd) to et my desktop from home or anywhere there is a fast connection...and can send you configs and derek dressers howto..chuck I also have teach2.py built to shadow clients va x11vncnew which chris johnson helped with ..this allows both view only and takeover buttons.. x11vnc new allows the iscale option so you can fit a pile of em on one desktop..c --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Nov 4 12:21:30 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:21:30 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) References: <200411041116.iA4BG6R27870@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001801c4c268$d0bcfbd0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Cliebow.. > I use sshvnc-applet on a web server (with vnc thru xinetd) to et my desktop > from home or anywhere there is a fast connection...and can send you configs > and derek dressers howto..chuck I would love to see this HOWTO... With your permission, I could also put it up on my K12LTSP HOWTO site... @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/ Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Nov 4 12:38:49 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:38:49 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <200411041156.iA4BuvR03318@downeast.net> i need to get xinetd.d/vnc for you fromschool if udsing redhat..chuck > Hi Cliebow.. > > > I use sshvnc-applet on a web server (with vnc thru xinetd) to et my > desktop > > from home or anywhere there is a fast connection...and can send you > configs > > and derek dressers howto..chuck > > I would love to see this HOWTO... > With your permission, I could also put it up on my K12LTSP HOWTO site... > @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/ > > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > ############################################# > > Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site > (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) > > ############################################# > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: vnc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 439 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Nov 4 12:58:38 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:58:38 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <200411041216.iA4CGjR06308@downeast.net> Gavin we'll be wrokinng on the docs for x11vnc this weekend..i have my notes... chuck > Hi Cliebow.. > > > I use sshvnc-applet on a web server (with vnc thru xinetd) to et my > desktop > > from home or anywhere there is a fast connection...and can send you > configs > > and derek dressers howto..chuck > > I would love to see this HOWTO... > With your permission, I could also put it up on my K12LTSP HOWTO site... > @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/ > > > Best Regards > > e'll be working on the docs for x11vnc this weekend > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > ############################################# > > Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site > (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) > > ############################################# > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Nov 4 12:57:30 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:57:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients not able to connect In-Reply-To: <20041102214342.41167.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041102214342.41167.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <418A273A.3040009@cmosnetworks.com> Jennifer Waters wrote: >Yes, I tried to edit re.sysinit and I seem to have >done something wrong. I was hoping that this would >fix my video problem. > >Jennifer > > > > > This sounds very odd. Can you send us the a snippet of the rc.sysinit file, say maybe the seven or so lines before and after the one that's giving the error? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From julius at turtle.com Thu Nov 4 13:16:56 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:16:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200411041116.iA4BG6R27870@downeast.net> References: <200411041116.iA4BG6R27870@downeast.net> Message-ID: <3136.216.216.171.235.1099574216.squirrel@216.216.171.235> > i use sshvnc-applet on a web server (with vnc thru xinetd) to et my > desktop > from home or anywhere there is a fast connection...and can send you > configs > and derek dressers howto..chuck > > I also have teach2.py built to shadow clients va x11vncnew which chris > johnson helped with ..this allows both view only and takeover buttons.. > x11vnc new allows the iscale option so you can fit a pile of em on one > desktop..c Chuck, by all means, post them! From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 4 13:19:52 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 06:19:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list summary verison 0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <200411040828.28156.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <1099529742.6056.7.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <200411040828.28156.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <418A2C78.5090105@earthlink.net> Martin Woolley wrote: >On Thursday 04 Nov 2004 12:55 am, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >>Here are the initial wish-list items. Keep'em coming! >> >> > >One thing the teachers here would like is the ability to mirror one X session >onto a selcted number of other X sessions. Let me explain. The teacher runs >a thin client just as the classroom full of students do. The teacher would >like to bring up say a ooimpress presentation on their session and have it >display on all of the students machines at the same time, so that the entrie >class can view the presentation. Currently they are using projects for this >but the teachers reckon they would get more attention if the lesson was >presented directly on the kids vdus. > >If this could be made to work, which it probably could but I have no idea of >how, then the reverse could be done, ie the teacher could monitor one or more >vdus and take control of them if necessary > > I can second this request! I am subbing this week in the technology lab -- I really could have used something like this in the middle of a 24 student lab class! I realized many of the kids didn't know how to select a section of a spreadsheet and turn it into a chart/graph. What a nightmare to try to explain this, unable to "show" them how to do it -- magically if I could have launched the application and demonstrated on their monitors..... Wow! (Of course we can't afford an overhead projector in the lab. I've tried all week to find an optimal place to put a projector and a workstation, if we had one (borrowed a portable), and I decided you have to practically plan your lab around it.) And then the itty bitty kids. How do you teach kindergarten kids how to open openoffice and start a drawing without a visual? OMG! I know I had some big kids playing some games they weren't supposed to, dropping the apps down on the taskbar when I came around, however, I had too much else going on to get through the class to really worry about it until afterward. I don't know how teachers do this everyday! Rita Gibson Tech Support RMSEL From julius at turtle.com Thu Nov 4 13:32:38 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:32:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <3166.216.216.171.235.1099575158.squirrel@216.216.171.235> Ok, more wish list items, on the LTSP side: 1. Packaging of some of the exisiting apps - USB scanning is available and working, would be nice to have it appear as a simple selection in lts.conf. 2. Sound, but *both* ways - wouldn't you like to run a SIP softphone on a terminal? I know, I would. 3. Consistent printing through stations - I did notice intermittent, but persistent problems in printing files much larger than printer memory, especially on slow dot-matrix printers. The only work around is a hardware Jetdirect - expensive 4. Serial port support through lts.conf You said it was a wish list :-) julius From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 4 13:44:34 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:44:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list summary verison 0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <418A2C78.5090105@earthlink.net> References: <1099529742.6056.7.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <200411040828.28156.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <418A2C78.5090105@earthlink.net> Message-ID: This is already possible with vncreflector....I know as I've done it...here's the how-to (it integrates with TeacherTool) http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/vncreflector/ file are in here. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 8:19 AM +0000 wrote: >Martin Woolley wrote: > >>On Thursday 04 Nov 2004 12:55 am, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >>>Here are the initial wish-list items. Keep'em coming! >>> >>> >> >>One thing the teachers here would like is the ability to mirror one X >session >>onto a selcted number of other X sessions. Let me explain. The teacher >runs >>a thin client just as the classroom full of students do. The teacher >would >>like to bring up say a ooimpress presentation on their session and have >it >>display on all of the students machines at the same time, so that the >entrie >>class can view the presentation. Currently they are using projects for >this >>but the teachers reckon they would get more attention if the lesson was >>presented directly on the kids vdus. >> >>If this could be made to work, which it probably could but I have no >idea of >>how, then the reverse could be done, ie the teacher could monitor one or >more >>vdus and take control of them if necessary >> >> >I can second this request! I am subbing this week in the technology lab >-- I really could have used something like this in the middle of a 24 >student lab class! I realized many of the kids didn't know how to select >a section of a spreadsheet and turn it into a chart/graph. What a >nightmare to try to explain this, unable to "show" them how to do it -- >magically if I could have launched the application and demonstrated on >their monitors..... Wow! (Of course we can't afford an overhead >projector in the lab. I've tried all week to find an optimal place to >put a projector and a workstation, if we had one (borrowed a portable), >and I decided you have to practically plan your lab around it.) > >And then the itty bitty kids. How do you teach kindergarten kids how to >open openoffice and start a drawing without a visual? OMG! > >I know I had some big kids playing some games they weren't supposed to, >dropping the apps down on the taskbar when I came around, however, I had >too much else going on to get through the class to really worry about it >until afterward. I don't know how teachers do this everyday! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 4 13:54:18 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:54:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1099576457.11016.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:35, Eric Harrison wrote: > 3) stuff I can bug other people about One more thing for the 'bug someone else' category: Find out what is up with development on the free version of SME server these days and see if it is possible to make it integrate better into a Linux network. It would be really great if its web based user/group management maintained an LDAP server with the current schemas needed for network authentications, it had NFS to export the home directories, and its DNS was a little more flexible about not being the primary for the domain. And the install needs to know about more drives... But, some fairly small changes could make it trivial to set up a master file, email, and authentication server that could be used by any number of k12ltsp app servers which would then need next-to-no individual configuration and would no hold anything that needs to be backed up. Of course, SME needs to be moved to fedora, Centos, or some other current yum-maintained distro to make it a reasonable server choice. An alternative would be enhancements to webmin that combine functions like the SME server-manager does: add a user, get the LDAP entry, add a unix group, get an email group, add a virtual domain, get both email and a web server for it, manage DHCP hardware addresses on the same screen as the DNS name, etc. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 4 14:04:41 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:04:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <3166.216.216.171.235.1099575158.squirrel@216.216.171.235> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <3166.216.216.171.235.1099575158.squirrel@216.216.171.235> Message-ID: <1099577081.11016.39.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 07:32, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > 2. Sound, but *both* ways - wouldn't you like to run a SIP softphone on a > terminal? I know, I would. I think you really need to generalize local app handling instead of making special cases for everything like this. I'd consider videolan client as a good test case that you might want to control from either the teacher or terminal side. The teacher should be able to run something that would start vlc on a group of terminals and play a multicast feed, or you should be able to start it from the desktop but make it run as a local app with access to your local CD/DVD drive. ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From k12osn at collinsoft.com Thu Nov 4 13:58:53 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:58:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit card recommendation? Message-ID: What would be a good gigabit card? I almost entirely rely on cards build around the Realtek 8139 for 10/100, but I haven't seen a good recommendation for 10/100/1000. Thanks! -- Ryan Collins Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Thu Nov 4 14:58:37 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:58:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; > boundary="=-KfIQabI0rtw2iFSgWgB3" > >This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. >I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. >While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals >want me to work on? An idea I've been thinking about for awhile - a tool to track usage of specific applications. For example, I would like to know that during the day yesterday: 12 kids used OpenOffice 27 kids used Mozilla 2 kids used Gimp etc. Ideally it would also be nice to be able to tell how *long* each application was used as well. Software metering is what I am wishing for ;-) Those kinds of numbers go a long way to help promote the cause to administration. Scott -- -- Scott Sherrill Technology Coordinator Hancock Public Schools Hancock, MI http://www.hancock.k12.mi.us From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Nov 4 15:58:56 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:58:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list summary verison 0.0.1 Message-ID: <1099583935.26612.4.camel@discovery.media.local> I've been mulling on the sound support item on the wish list. Would it be possible to create a new driver for the kernel to handle /dev/dsp that hands off control to a userspace driver that automatically forwards the sound to the appropriate client? 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Thanks. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Nov 4 16:19:49 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:19:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Bootable floppy challenge: DFE-530TX+ In-Reply-To: <418A5423.3030106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <418A5423.3030106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: Likely that is a D-Link n100 (or similar) chipset. . . try one of those and see. . . I think there are only about two or three companies that make LAN adapters because you'll see chipsets from each manufacturer's on each other's cards and vice-versa. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > I had a chance to get 20 super cheap NICs, they are D-Link DFE-530TX+ , > Rev.E1 cards. When I researched them online I read that I could use the > RTL8139 zdsk image from Rom-o-matic.net. My problem is that the chip on > the card is not a RealTek chip, as I thought it would be. The chip says > DL10038D. Can anyone help me to determine the correct bootable floppy > image from rom-o-matic that I need to use? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > -- > =========================================================== > "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep > for that which he cannot lose." > -- Jim Elliott > > RICHARD K. INGALLS > Director of Information Technology > Glenwood R-8 School District > West Plains, MO > > email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us > web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us > ph.....417.256.4849 > fax....417.257.2567 > > "Miracles are a retelling in small letters > of the very same story which is written across > the whole world in letters too large > for some of us to see." > -- C. S. Lewis > =========================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Nov 4 16:20:15 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:20:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bootable floppy challenge: DFE-530TX+ In-Reply-To: <418A5423.3030106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <418A5423.3030106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <418A56BF.9030907@criticalcontrol.com> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > I had a chance to get 20 super cheap NICs, they are D-Link DFE-530TX+ > , Rev.E1 cards. When I researched them online I read that I could use > the RTL8139 zdsk image from Rom-o-matic.net. My problem is that the > chip on the card is not a RealTek chip, as I thought it would be. The > chip says DL10038D. Can anyone help me to determine the correct > bootable floppy image from rom-o-matic that I need to use? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > http://www.etherboot.org/db/nics.php?show=tech_data&chip_manufacturer=D-Link family drivers/net/rtl8139 dfe538 0x1186,0x1300 DFE530TX+/DFE538TX So it should work with RTL8139 (I think, not sure) Did you test it? Peter -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh Linux System Administrator (& advocate) CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Nov 4 16:37:03 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:37:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bootable floppy challenge: DFE-530TX+ In-Reply-To: <418A5423.3030106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <418A5423.3030106@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1099586223.22059.24.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:09, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > I had a chance to get 20 super cheap NICs, they are D-Link DFE-530TX+ , > Rev.E1 cards. When I researched them online I read that I could use the > RTL8139 zdsk image from Rom-o-matic.net. My problem is that the chip on > the card is not a RealTek chip, as I thought it would be. The chip says > DL10038D. Can anyone help me to determine the correct bootable floppy > image from rom-o-matic that I need to use? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. If any of the PCs report the pc ids at boot up, look for the ids for the nic. Dlink cards are typically sundance (rare), rtl8139 or via-rhine. Tim From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Nov 4 16:41:47 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:41:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit card recommendation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099586507.22059.29.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 09:58, k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: > What would be a good gigabit card? I almost entirely rely on cards > build around the Realtek 8139 for 10/100, but I haven't seen a good > recommendation for 10/100/1000. It depends server vs client? Cheap vs expensive. Many PCs today ship with the Broadcom, 3com (Maxwell) or Intel 1000 but the realtek is catching on. For a server I might go with Intel or I can't believe I am say this Broadcom as they are widely available. Client side cheap realtek's are going to be tough to beat. Tim From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 4 16:42:45 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:42:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients not able to connect Message-ID: <20041104164245.82491.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> Here is a snippet of the rc.sysinit file. Hopefully it helps. Thank you for your help. Jennifer ################################################################################ # # Check the hostname # echo "127.0.0.1 localhost $"s03"tmp/hosts echo "${DEFAULT_SERVER} server" >>/tmp/hosts ################################################################################ # # Start the syslog daemon # pr_set 88 "Starting syslogd" SYSLOG_HOST=${SYSLOG_HOST:-${DEFAULT_SERVER}} reg_info SYSLOG_HOST echo "Starting syslogd" echo "*.* @${SYSLOG_HOST}" >/tmp/syslog.conf syslogd -m 60 -R ${SYSLOG_HOST} ################################################################################ # # Local app daemon stuff # if [ "${LOCAL_APPS}" = "Y" ]; then pr_set 90 "Starting Portmapper" echo "Starting portmapper" portmap # pr_set 91 "Starting xinetd" # echo "Starting xinetd" # xinetd if [ "${NIS_SERVER}" != "" ]; then pr_set 92"Setting NIS server" echo "Setting NIS Server" echo "ypserver ${NIS_SERVER}" >>/tmp/yp.conf reg_info NIS_SERVER fi pr_set 93 "Setting domainname" echo "Setting domainname" NIS_DOMAIN=${NIS_DOMAIN:-"ltsp"} reg_info NIS_DOMAIN echo domainname ${NIS_DOMAIN} domainname ${NIS_DOMAIN} pr_set 94 "Starting ypbind" echo "Starting ypbind" if [ -z "${NIS_SERVER}" ]; then ypbind -broadcast else ypbind -f /tmp/yp.conf fi echo "Starting sshd..." sshd fi ################################################################################ # # Run the additional rc files. # These are to make it easier to integrate additional functionality # into an ltsp system. Add your scripts to etc/rc.d, and put the name # of the script in the lts.conf file, and it will be executed. # pr_set 95 "Checking for rcfiles" for i in 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10; do RCVAR=RCFILE_${i} RCFILE=${!RCVAR} if [ -n "${RCFILE}" ]; then reg_info ${RCVAR} if [ -x /etc/rc.d/${RCFILE} ]; then /etc/rc.d/${RCFILE} else pr_fail echo echo " ERROR: RCFILE_${i} is setup in lts.conf, but" echo " it does not exist in the /etc/rc.d directory" echo echo -n "Press to continue " read CMD fi fi done ################################################################################ # # Setup the sound stuff. # reg_info SOUND if [ "${SOUND}" = "Y" ]; then pr_set 97 "Setting up sound" /etc/rc.sound fi ################################################################################ # # Setup a link in /tmp to give backward compatibility with # earlier versions of ltsp. # ln -s /etc/screen.d/startx /tmp/start_ws pr_set 100 "rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode" echo "rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode" echo sleep 1 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Nov 4 17:18:19 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:18:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Gigabit card recommendation? In-Reply-To: <20041104170014.8A6237317B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041104170014.8A6237317B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099588699.28415.38.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> We have amer.com C1110 nics in each of our K12 severs. So far so good. John On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:00, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > What would be a good gigabit card? I almost entirely rely on cards > build around the Realtek 8139 for 10/100, but I haven't seen a good > recommendation for 10/100/1000. > > Thanks! > > -- > Ryan Collins > Kenton City Schools > http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 4 17:21:46 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:21:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Message-ID: <20041104172146.22108.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> I can access the Web pages using 127.0.0.1. I thought that this would be the best way to answer your questions and that is to send the whole file. I had made some changes and they didn't help, so I might have made things worse. Hopefully you can help me. Thank you for your help. Jennifer ## httpd.conf - configuration for the Apache web server # # Generated automatically... if you edit manually, the changes will be lost # the next time you run "redhat-config-httpd". # ### Section 1: Global Environment # # The directives in this section affect the overall operation of Apache, # such as the number of concurrent requests it can handle or where it # can find its configuration files. # # # Don't give away too much information about all the subcomponents # we are running. Comment out this line if you don't mind remote sites # finding out what major optional modules you are running ServerTokens OS # # ServerRoot: The top of the directory tree under which the server's # configuration, error, and log files are kept. # # NOTE! If you intend to place this on an NFS (or otherwise network) # mounted filesystem then please read the LockFile documentation # (available at ); # you will save yourself a lot of trouble. # # Do NOT add a slash at the end of the directory path. # ServerRoot "/etc/httpd" # # ScoreBoardFile: File used to store internal server process information. # If unspecified (the default), the scoreboard will be stored in an # anonymous shared memory segment, and will be unavailable to third-party # applications. # If specified, ensure that no two invocations of Apache share the same # scoreboard file. The scoreboard file MUST BE STORED ON A LOCAL DISK. # #ScoreBoardFile run/httpd.scoreboard # # PidFile: The file in which the server should record its process # identification number when it starts. # PidFile "/var/run/httpd.pid" # # Timeout: The number of seconds before receives and sends time out. # TimeOut 300 # # KeepAlive: Whether or not to allow persistent connections (more than # one request per connection). Set to "Off" to deactivate. # KeepAlive false # # MaxKeepAliveRequests: The maximum number of requests to allow # during a persistent connection. Set to 0 to allow an unlimited amount. # We recommend you leave this number high, for maximum performance. # MaxKeepAliveRequests 100 # # KeepAliveTimeout: Number of seconds to wait for the next request from the # same client on the same connection. # KeepAliveTimeout 15 ## ## Server-Pool Size Regulation (MPM specific) ## # prefork MPM # StartServers: number of server processes to start # MinSpareServers: minimum number of server processes which are kept spare # MaxSpareServers: maximum number of server processes which are kept spare # MaxClients: maximum number of server processes allowed to start # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of requests a server process serves StartServers 8 MinSpareServers 5 MaxSpareServers 20 MaxClients 150 MaxRequestsPerChild 100 # worker MPM # StartServers: initial number of server processes to start # MaxClients: maximum number of simultaneous client connections # MinSpareThreads: minimum number of worker threads which are kept spare # MaxSpareThreads: maximum number of worker threads which are kept spare # ThreadsPerChild: constant number of worker threads in each server process # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of requests a server process serves StartServers 2 MaxClients 150 MinSpareThreads 25 MaxSpareThreads 75 ThreadsPerChild 25 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # perchild MPM # NumServers: constant number of server processes # StartThreads: initial number of worker threads in each server process # MinSpareThreads: minimum number of worker threads which are kept spare # MaxSpareThreads: maximum number of worker threads which are kept spare # MaxThreadsPerChild: maximum number of worker threads in each server process # MaxRequestsPerChild: maximum number of connections per server process NumServers 5 StartThreads 5 MinSpareThreads 5 MaxSpareThreads 10 MaxThreadsPerChild 20 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 # # Listen: Allows you to bind Apache to specific IP addresses and/or # ports, in addition to the default. See also the # directive. # # Change this to Listen on specific IP addresses as shown below to # prevent Apache from glomming onto all bound IP addresses (0.0.0.0) # #Listen 12.34.56.78:80 #Listen *:80 Listen 80 # # Dynamic Shared Object (DSO) Support # # To be able to use the functionality of a module which was built as a DSO you # have to place corresponding `LoadModule' lines at this location so the # directives contained in it are actually available _before_ they are used. # Statically compiled modules (those listed by `httpd -l') do not need # to be loaded here. # # Example: # LoadModule foo_module modules/mod_foo.so # LoadModule access_module modules/mod_access.so LoadModule auth_module modules/mod_auth.so LoadModule auth_anon_module modules/mod_auth_anon.so LoadModule auth_dbm_module modules/mod_auth_dbm.so LoadModule auth_digest_module modules/mod_auth_digest.so LoadModule include_module modules/mod_include.so LoadModule log_config_module modules/mod_log_config.so LoadModule env_module modules/mod_env.so LoadModule mime_magic_module modules/mod_mime_magic.so LoadModule cern_meta_module modules/mod_cern_meta.so LoadModule expires_module modules/mod_expires.so LoadModule headers_module modules/mod_headers.so LoadModule usertrack_module modules/mod_usertrack.so LoadModule unique_id_module modules/mod_unique_id.so LoadModule setenvif_module modules/mod_setenvif.so LoadModule mime_module modules/mod_mime.so LoadModule dav_module modules/mod_dav.so LoadModule status_module modules/mod_status.so LoadModule autoindex_module modules/mod_autoindex.so LoadModule asis_module modules/mod_asis.so LoadModule info_module modules/mod_info.so LoadModule dav_fs_module modules/mod_dav_fs.so LoadModule vhost_alias_module modules/mod_vhost_alias.so LoadModule negotiation_module modules/mod_negotiation.so LoadModule dir_module modules/mod_dir.so LoadModule imap_module modules/mod_imap.so LoadModule actions_module modules/mod_actions.so LoadModule speling_module modules/mod_speling.so LoadModule userdir_module modules/mod_userdir.so LoadModule alias_module modules/mod_alias.so LoadModule rewrite_module modules/mod_rewrite.so LoadModule proxy_module modules/mod_proxy.so LoadModule proxy_ftp_module modules/mod_proxy_ftp.so LoadModule proxy_http_module modules/mod_proxy_http.so LoadModule proxy_connect_module modules/mod_proxy_connect.so LoadModule cache_module modules/mod_cache.so LoadModule disk_cache_module modules/mod_disk_cache.so LoadModule file_cache_module modules/mod_file_cache.so LoadModule mem_cache_module modules/mod_mem_cache.so LoadModule cgi_module modules/mod_cgi.so #LoadModule php4_module modules/libphp4.so # # Load config files from the config directory "/etc/httpd/conf.d". # Include conf.d/*.conf # # ExtendedStatus controls whether Apache will generate "full" status # information (ExtendedStatus On) or just basic information (ExtendedStatus # Off) when the "server-status" handler is called. The default is Off. # #ExtendedStatus On ### Section 2: 'Main' server configuration # # The directives in this section set up the values used by the 'main' # server, which responds to any requests that aren't handled by a # definition. These values also provide defaults for # any containers you may define later in the file. # # All of these directives may appear inside containers, # in which case these default settings will be overridden for the # virtual host being defined. # # # If you wish httpd to run as a different user or group, you must run # httpd as root initially and it will switch. # # User/Group: The name (or #number) of the user/group to run httpd as. # . On SCO (ODT 3) use "User nouser" and "Group nogroup". # . On HPUX you may not be able to use shared memory as nobody, and the # suggested workaround is to create a user www and use that user. # NOTE that some kernels refuse to setgid(Group) or semctl(IPC_SET) # when the value of (unsigned)Group is above 60000; # don't use Group #-1 on these systems! # User apache Group apache # # ServerAdmin: Your address, where problems with the server should be # e-mailed. This address appears on some server-generated pages, such # as error documents. e.g. admin at your-domain.com # ServerAdmin jwaters at pps.k12.or.us # # ServerName gives the name and port that the server uses to identify itself. # This can often be determined automatically, but we recommend you specify # it explicitly to prevent problems during startup. # # If this is not set to valid DNS name for your host, server-generated # redirections will not work. See also the UseCanonicalName directive. # # If your host doesn't have a registered DNS name, enter its IP address here. # You will have to access it by its address anyway, and this will make # redirections work in a sensible way. # ServerName madisonhs # # UseCanonicalName: Determines how Apache constructs self-referencing # URLs and the SERVER_NAME and SERVER_PORT variables. # When set "Off", Apache will use the Hostname and Port supplied # by the client. When set "On", Apache will use the value of the # ServerName directive. # UseCanonicalName on # # DocumentRoot: The directory out of which you will serve your # documents. By default, all requests are taken from this directory, but # symbolic links and aliases may be used to point to other locations. # DocumentRoot "/var/www/html" # # Disable autoindex for the root directory, and present a # default Welcome page if no other index page is present. # Options -Indexes ErrorDocument 403 /error/noindex.html # # UserDir: The name of the directory that is appended onto a user's home # directory if a ~user request is received. # # The path to the end user account 'public_html' directory must be # accessible to the webserver userid. This usually means that ~userid # must have permissions of 711, ~userid/public_html must have permissions # of 755, and documents contained therein must be world-readable. # Otherwise, the client will only receive a "403 Forbidden" message. # # See also: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html#forbidden # # # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence # of a username on the system (depending on home directory # permissions). # UserDir "disable" # # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html # directory, use this directive instead of "UserDir disable": # #UserDir public_html # # DirectoryIndex: sets the file that Apache will serve if a directory # is requested. # # The index.html.var file (a type-map) is used to deliver content- # negotiated documents. The MultiViews Option can be used for the # same purpose, but it is much slower. # DirectoryIndex # # AccessFileName: The name of the file to look for in each directory # for access control information. See also the AllowOverride directive. # AccessFileName .htaccess # # The following lines prevent .htaccess and .htpasswd files from being # viewed by Web clients. # Order allow,deny #Deny from all Allow from all # # TypesConfig describes where the mime.types file (or equivalent) is # to be found. # TypesConfig "/etc/mime.types" # # DefaultType is the default MIME type the server will use for a document # if it cannot otherwise determine one, such as from filename extensions. # If your server contains mostly text or HTML documents, "text/plain" is # a good value. If most of your content is binary, such as applications # or images, you may want to use "application/octet-stream" instead to # keep browsers from trying to display binary files as though they are # text. # DefaultType text/plain # # The mod_mime_magic module allows the server to use various hints from the # contents of the file itself to determine its type. The MIMEMagicFile # directive tells the module where the hint definitions are located. # # MIMEMagicFile /usr/share/magic.mime MIMEMagicFile conf/magic # # HostnameLookups: Log the names of clients or just their IP addresses # e.g., www.apache.org (on) or 204.62.129.132 (off). # The default is off because it'd be overall better for the net if people # had to knowingly turn this feature on, since enabling it means that # each client request will result in AT LEAST one lookup request to the # nameserver. # HostNameLookups Off # # ErrorLog: The location of the error log file. # If you do not specify an ErrorLog directive within a # container, error messages relating to that virtual host will be # logged here. If you *do* define an error logfile for a # container, that host's errors will be logged there and not here. # ErrorLog "/var/log/httpd/error_log" # # LogLevel: Control the number of messages logged to the error_log. # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit, # alert, emerg. # LogLevel warn # # The following directives define some format nicknames for use with # a CustomLog directive (see below). # LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent # # The location and format of the access logfile (Common Logfile Format). # If you do not define any access logfiles within a # container, they will be logged here. Contrariwise, if you *do* # define per- access logfiles, transactions will be # logged therein and *not* in this file. # # CustomLog logs/access_log common CustomLog logs/access_log combined # # If you would like to have agent and referer logfiles, uncomment the # following directives. # #CustomLog logs/referer_log referer #CustomLog logs/agent_log agent # # If you prefer a single logfile with access, agent, and referer information # (Combined Logfile Format) you can use the following directive. # #CustomLog logs/access_log combined # # Optionally add a line containing the server version and virtual host # name to server-generated pages (error documents, FTP directory listings, # mod_status and mod_info output etc., but not CGI generated documents). # Set to "EMail" to also include a mailto: link to the ServerAdmin. # Set to one of: On | Off | EMail # ServerSignature on # # Aliases: Add here as many aliases as you need (with no limit). The format is # Alias fakename realname # # Note that if you include a trailing / on fakename then the server will # require it to be present in the URL. So "/icons" isn't aliased in this # example, only "/icons/". If the fakename is slash-terminated, then the # realname must also be slash terminated, and if the fakename omits the # trailing slash, the realname must also omit it. # # We include the /icons/ alias for FancyIndexed directory listings. If you # do not use FancyIndexing, you may comment this out. # Alias /icons/ "/var/www/icons/" # # This should be changed to the ServerRoot/manual/. The alias provides # the manual, even if you choose to move your DocumentRoot. You may comment # this out if you do not care for the documentation. # Alias /manual "/var/www/manual" # Location of the WebDAV lock database. DAVLockDB /var/lib/dav/lockdb # # ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server scripts. # ScriptAliases are essentially the same as Aliases, except that # documents in the realname directory are treated as applications and # run by the server when requested rather than as documents sent to the client. # The same rules about trailing "/" apply to ScriptAlias directives as to # Alias. # ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/var/www/cgi-bin/" # # Additional to mod_cgid.c settings, mod_cgid has Scriptsock # for setting UNIX socket for communicating with cgid. # #Scriptsock logs/cgisock # # Redirect allows you to tell clients about documents which used to exist in # your server's namespace, but do not anymore. This allows you to tell the # clients where to look for the relocated document. # Example: # Redirect permanent /foo http://www.example.com/bar # # Directives controlling the display of server-generated directory listings. # # # FancyIndexing is whether you want fancy directory indexing or standard. # VersionSort is whether files containing version numbers should be # compared in the natural way, so that `apache-1.3.9.tar' is placed before # `apache-1.3.12.tar'. # IndexOptions FancyIndexing VersionSort NameWidth=* # # AddIcon* directives tell the server which icon to show for different # files or filename extensions. These are only displayed for # FancyIndexed directories. # AddIconByEncoding (CMP,/icons/compressed.gif) x-compress x-gzip AddIconByType (TXT,/icons/text.gif) text/* AddIconByType (IMG,/icons/image2.gif) image/* AddIconByType (SND,/icons/sound2.gif) audio/* AddIconByType (VID,/icons/movie.gif) video/* AddIcon /icons/binary.gif .bin .exe AddIcon /icons/binhex.gif .hqx AddIcon /icons/tar.gif .tar AddIcon /icons/world2.gif .wrl .wrl.gz .vrml .vrm .iv AddIcon /icons/compressed.gif .Z .z .tgz .gz .zip AddIcon /icons/a.gif .ps .ai .eps AddIcon /icons/layout.gif .html .shtml .htm .pdf AddIcon /icons/text.gif .txt AddIcon /icons/c.gif .c AddIcon /icons/p.gif .pl .py AddIcon /icons/f.gif .for AddIcon /icons/dvi.gif .dvi AddIcon /icons/uuencoded.gif .uu AddIcon /icons/script.gif .conf .sh .shar .csh .ksh .tcl AddIcon /icons/tex.gif .tex AddIcon /icons/bomb.gif core AddIcon /icons/back.gif .. AddIcon /icons/hand.right.gif README AddIcon /icons/folder.gif ^^DIRECTORY^^ AddIcon /icons/blank.gif ^^BLANKICON^^ # # DefaultIcon is which icon to show for files which do not have an icon # explicitly set. # DefaultIcon /icons/unknown.gif # # AddDescription allows you to place a short description after a file in # server-generated indexes. These are only displayed for FancyIndexed # directories. # Format: AddDescription "description" filename # #AddDescription "GZIP compressed document" .gz #AddDescription "tar archive" .tar #AddDescription "GZIP compressed tar archive" .tgz # # ReadmeName is the name of the README file the server will look for by # default, and append to directory listings. # # HeaderName is the name of a file which should be prepended to # directory indexes. ReadmeName README.html HeaderName HEADER.html # # IndexIgnore is a set of filenames which directory indexing should ignore # and not include in the listing. Shell-style wildcarding is permitted. # IndexIgnore .??* *~ *# HEADER* README* RCS CVS *,v *,t # # AddEncoding allows you to have certain browsers (Mosaic/X 2.1+) uncompress # information on the fly. Note: Not all browsers support this. # Despite the name similarity, the following Add* directives have nothing # to do with the FancyIndexing customization directives above. # AddEncoding x-compress Z AddEncoding x-gzip gz tgz # # DefaultLanguage and AddLanguage allows you to specify the language of # a document. You can then use content negotiation to give a browser a # file in a language the user can understand. # # Specify a default language. This means that all data # going out without a specific language tag (see below) will # be marked with this one. You probably do NOT want to set # this unless you are sure it is correct for all cases. # # * It is generally better to not mark a page as # * being a certain language than marking it with the wrong # * language! # # DefaultLanguage nl # # Note 1: The suffix does not have to be the same as the language # keyword --- those with documents in Polish (whose net-standard # language code is pl) may wish to use "AddLanguage pl .po" to # avoid the ambiguity with the common suffix for perl scripts. # # Note 2: The example entries below illustrate that in some cases # the two character 'Language' abbreviation is not identical to # the two character 'Country' code for its country, # E.g. 'Danmark/dk' versus 'Danish/da'. # # Note 3: In the case of 'ltz' we violate the RFC by using a three char # specifier. There is 'work in progress' to fix this and get # the reference data for rfc1766 cleaned up. # # Danish (da) - Dutch (nl) - English (en) - Estonian (et) # French (fr) - German (de) - Greek-Modern (el) # Italian (it) - Norwegian (no) - Norwegian Nynorsk (nn) - Korean (kr) # Portugese (pt) - Luxembourgeois* (ltz) # Spanish (es) - Swedish (sv) - Catalan (ca) - Czech(cz) # Polish (pl) - Brazilian Portuguese (pt-br) - Japanese (ja) # Russian (ru) - Croatian (hr) # AddLanguage da .dk AddLanguage nl .nl AddLanguage en .en AddLanguage et .et AddLanguage fr .fr AddLanguage de .de AddLanguage he .he AddLanguage el .el AddLanguage it .it AddLanguage ja .ja AddLanguage pl .po AddLanguage kr .kr AddLanguage pt .pt AddLanguage nn .nn AddLanguage no .no AddLanguage pt-br .pt-br AddLanguage ltz .ltz AddLanguage ca .ca AddLanguage es .es AddLanguage sv .se AddLanguage cz .cz AddLanguage ru .ru AddLanguage tw .tw AddLanguage zh-tw .tw AddLanguage hr .hr # # LanguagePriority allows you to give precedence to some languages # in case of a tie during content negotiation. # # Just list the languages in decreasing order of preference. 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You probably # want to avoid clashes with the language extensions, unless you # are good at carefully testing your setup after each change. # See ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/character-sets for # the official list of charset names and their respective RFCs # AddCharset ISO-8859-1 .iso8859-1 .latin1 AddCharset ISO-8859-2 .iso8859-2 .latin2 .cen AddCharset ISO-8859-3 .iso8859-3 .latin3 AddCharset ISO-8859-4 .iso8859-4 .latin4 AddCharset ISO-8859-5 .iso8859-5 .latin5 .cyr .iso-ru AddCharset ISO-8859-6 .iso8859-6 .latin6 .arb AddCharset ISO-8859-7 .iso8859-7 .latin7 .grk AddCharset ISO-8859-8 .iso8859-8 .latin8 .heb AddCharset ISO-8859-9 .iso8859-9 .latin9 .trk AddCharset ISO-2022-JP .iso2022-jp .jis AddCharset ISO-2022-KR .iso2022-kr .kis AddCharset ISO-2022-CN .iso2022-cn .cis AddCharset Big5 .Big5 .big5 # For russian, more than one charset is used (depends on client, mostly): AddCharset WINDOWS-1251 .cp-1251 .win-1251 AddCharset CP866 .cp866 AddCharset KOI8-r .koi8-r .koi8-ru AddCharset KOI8-ru .koi8-uk .ua AddCharset ISO-10646-UCS-2 .ucs2 AddCharset ISO-10646-UCS-4 .ucs4 AddCharset UTF-8 .utf8 # The set below does not map to a specific (iso) standard # but works on a fairly wide range of browsers. Note that # capitalization actually matters (it should not, but it # does for some browsers). # # See ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/character-sets # for a list of sorts. But browsers support few. # AddCharset GB2312 .gb2312 .gb AddCharset utf-7 .utf7 AddCharset utf-8 .utf8 AddCharset big5 .big5 .b5 AddCharset EUC-TW .euc-tw AddCharset EUC-JP .euc-jp AddCharset EUC-KR .euc-kr AddCharset shift_jis .sjis # # AddType allows you to add to or override the MIME configuration # file mime.types for specific file types. # AddType application/x-tar .tgz AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .html php3 # # AddHandler allows you to map certain file extensions to "handlers": # actions unrelated to filetype. 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This eliminates the need for repeated URL # pathnames for oft-used CGI file processors. # Format: Action media/type /cgi-script/location # Format: Action handler-name /cgi-script/location # # # Customizable error responses come in three flavors: # 1) plain text 2) local redirects 3) external redirects # # Some examples: #ErrorDocument 500 "The server made a boo boo." #ErrorDocument 404 /missing.html #ErrorDocument 404 "/cgi-bin/missing_handler.pl" #ErrorDocument 402 http://www.example.com/subscription_info.html # Alias /error/ "/var/www/error/" # # The following directives modify normal HTTP response behavior to # handle known problems with browser implementations. # BrowserMatch "Mozilla/2" nokeepalive BrowserMatch "MSIE 4\.0b2;" nokeepalive downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0 BrowserMatch "RealPlayer 4\.0" force-response-1.0 BrowserMatch "Java/1\.0" force-response-1.0 BrowserMatch "JDK/1\.0" force-response-1.0 # # The following directive disables redirects on non-GET requests for # a directory that does not include the trailing slash. 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Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 4 17:32:55 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:32:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] bonding nic question Message-ID: <418A67C7.7040108@paasda.org> If one bound 2 gig-e nics together eth0 on the k12ltsp server... and say each nic linked to a seperate thin-client lab's switch... would that effectively reduce...make a little more efficient; the connections to the server from the seperate labs? or just a waste of time and a gig-e nic? would look something like this: / ETH0(0) ---> 20 thin client lab's gig-e switch in classroom A --> 20 clients server --|bound(both gig-e) \ ETH0(1) ---> 20 thin client lab's gig-e switch in classroom F --> 20 clients --Huck From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 4 17:32:03 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:32:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list summary verison 0.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1099529742.6056.7.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <200411040828.28156.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <418A2C78.5090105@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <418A6793.6010400@earthlink.net> David: Thanks. I will take a look at it -- I looked at TeacherTool sometime last year and it didn't seem to work very well, and I got sidetracked onto something else. Recently, going through the archives, I noticed a thread on TeacherTool where Eric Harrison (maybe) made some changes, and then it was included in a recent k12ltps release, right? I meant to take a closer look, but got side-tracked -- again. I will look at the how-to, now that I have a pressing need. Maybe my day tomorrow could go much better! Have fun on your development weekend everyone. I can't wait to hear about it, the food, the pictures, and your accomplishments. Rita Gibson Tech Support RMSEL David Trask wrote: >This is already possible with vncreflector....I know as I've done >it...here's the how-to (it integrates with TeacherTool) >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/vncreflector/ file are in here. > > > >>>>ere are the initial wish-list items. Keep'em coming! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>One thing the teachers here would like is the ability to mirror one X >>> >>> >>session >> >> >>>onto a selcted number of other X sessions. Let me explain. The teacher >>> >>> >>runs >> >> >>>a thin client just as the classroom full of students do. The teacher >>> >>> >>would >> >> >>>like to bring up say a ooimpress presentation on their session and have >>> >>> >>it >> >> >>>display on all of the students machines at the same time, so that the >>> >>> >>entrie >> >> >>>class can view the presentation. Currently they are using projects for >>> >>> >>this >> >> >>>but the teachers reckon they would get more attention if the lesson was >>>presented directly on the kids vdus. >>> >>>If this could be made to work, which it probably could but I have no >>> >>> >>idea of >> >> >>>how, then the reverse could be done, ie the teacher could monitor one or >>> >>> >>more >> >> >>>vdus and take control of them if necessary >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I can second this request! I am subbing this week in the technology lab >>-- I really could have used something like this in the middle of a 24 >>student lab class! I realized many of the kids didn't know how to select >>a section of a spreadsheet and turn it into a chart/graph. What a >>nightmare to try to explain this, unable to "show" them how to do it -- >>magically if I could have launched the application and demonstrated on >>their monitors..... Wow! (Of course we can't afford an overhead >>projector in the lab. I've tried all week to find an optimal place to >>put a projector and a workstation, if we had one (borrowed a portable), >>and I decided you have to practically plan your lab around it.) >> >>And then the itty bitty kids. How do you teach kindergarten kids how to >>open openoffice and start a drawing without a visual? OMG! >> >>I know I had some big kids playing some games they weren't supposed to, >>dropping the apps down on the taskbar when I came around, however, I had >>too much else going on to get through the class to really worry about it >>until afterward. I don't know how teachers do this everyday! >> >> From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 4 17:34:58 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:34:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list summary verison 0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <418A2C78.5090105@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003b01c4c294$9b39eeb0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I can second this request! I am subbing this week in the > technology lab > -- I really could have used something like this in the middle of a 24 > student lab class! Sometimes I forget how lucky we are to have lcd projectors in every classroom here. We just have the "teacher" machine mirror the VGA output to the projector, works great but expensive. I think this would be a nice feature as well for those less fortunate. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tuxnician at execulink.com Thu Nov 4 17:35:43 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? Message-ID: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> Hi Everyone. I've been reading this list for about a week now and I'm enjoying it very much. It's been a great source of information. I work for a school board that just quite doesn't understand the benefit of Linux especially LTSP. We did have Linux servers for authentication for Windows machines and proxy etc but they got cold feet and went with MS 2003 Server (not without problems) We are currently working on getting 2 LTSPs at an elementary school and secondary school (for special education). I was wondering if anyone has some information, suggestions, presentations etc of the benefits of Linux/LTSP in the educational area. I have some websites bookmarked but I'm looking for more personal experience from a technician, teacher etc point of view. I'd like to use it to make a white paper of sorts to show how well Linux/LTSP works and saves money and time. Thank You for your time. Jason From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 4 17:54:15 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:54:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <20041104172146.22108.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201c4c297$4caccda0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > # > # Change this to Listen on specific IP addresses as > shown below to > # prevent Apache from glomming onto all bound IP > addresses (0.0.0.0) > # > #Listen 12.34.56.78:80 > #Listen *:80 > Listen 80 My first suggestion is to change this directive to Listen *:80 That should tell it to listen to all IP's associated with that box on port 80. I'll keep looking through the file but let me know if that helps. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 4 18:01:34 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:01:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <20041104172146.22108.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004301c4c298$5299b880$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > # If your host doesn't have a registered DNS name, enter its IP address here. > # You will have to access it by its address anyway, and this will make > # redirections work in a sensible way. > # > ServerName madisonhs I would change this to either your full domain name, madisonhs.yourdomain.com, or to the IP address of that machine. If your webserver doesn't have a DNS entry on the DNS server that your clients point to, then go with the IP address. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 4 18:01:14 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:01:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <004201c4c297$4caccda0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004201c4c297$4caccda0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1099591274.14542.24.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:54, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > My first suggestion is to change this directive to > > Listen *:80 > > That should tell it to listen to all IP's associated with that box on > port 80. I'll keep looking through the file but let me know if that > helps. I thought it worked when accessed with the server IP number. Accessing by name isn't going to work without DNS support or putting the name in everyone's hosts file. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From haysja at sages.us Thu Nov 4 18:02:26 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:02:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> References: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> Message-ID: <418A6EB2.9090808@sages.us> You can say all you want about reliability, open source, speed, and flexibility - all true - but there is really only one reason that a school should consider a switch from Microsoft to Linux - especially K12LTSP. $$$$MONEY$$$$ We don't have enough................... So to make the littel moey that we have go as far as it can, we are switching to Linux. We have started the process by switching our servers to Linux. We now have Linux file servers in 3 of our 5 buildings, a Linux email server which we have had in place for 5 years, Linux firewalls that handle our content filtering, and a K12LTSP lab at our middle school media center. We now have more file servers running Linux than we do running Windows. The savings in client access licenses alone can run well into the thousands - and that is for a small district. Jason wrote: > Hi Everyone. > > I've been reading this list for about a week now and I'm enjoying it > very much. It's been a great source of information. > > I work for a school board that just quite doesn't understand the > benefit of Linux especially LTSP. We did have Linux servers for > authentication for Windows machines and proxy etc but they got cold > feet and went with MS 2003 Server (not without problems) > > We are currently working on getting 2 LTSPs at an elementary school > and secondary school (for special education). > > I was wondering if anyone has some information, suggestions, > presentations etc of the benefits of Linux/LTSP in the educational > area. I have some websites bookmarked but I'm looking for more > personal experience from a technician, teacher etc point of view. > > I'd like to use it to make a white paper of sorts to show how well > Linux/LTSP works and saves money and time. > > Thank You for your time. > > Jason > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 4 18:06:57 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:06:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <20041104172146.22108.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004401c4c299$131ae110$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > # DirectoryIndex: sets the file that Apache will serve if a directory > # is requested. > # > # The index.html.var file (a type-map) is used to deliver content- > # negotiated documents. The MultiViews Option can be used for the > # same purpose, but it is much slower. > # > DirectoryIndex I would change this to something like: DirectoryIndex index.html index.php index.php3 Whatever is listed here will be the page that is automatically opened whe you hit the IP without having to add a file name. So instead of typing http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/index.html in the browser you can just type http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and index.html will automatically open. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From wescott_mike at emc.com Thu Nov 4 18:23:14 2004 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:23:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bonding nic question In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:32:55 PST." <418A67C7.7040108@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200411041823.iA4INEGR003556@strange.us.dg.com> > If one bound 2 gig-e nics together eth0 on the k12ltsp server... > and say each nic linked to a seperate thin-client lab's switch... > would that effectively reduce...make a little more efficient; the > connections to the server from the seperate labs? > or just a waste of time and a gig-e nic? Nope. Bonding doesn't work that way. The other end of a bonded link must be a single switch capable of link aggregation. And unless you run at least 2 cat6 cables to each classroom you wouldn't get any advantage from bonding since can't get more that a single Gigabit's throughput to either classroom anyway. You're better off supporting each classroom from it's own NIC; each on its own subnet. -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM From penguintiz at yahoo.com Thu Nov 4 18:57:39 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:57:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <20041104182329.81C9272E81@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041104185739.67187.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jason, K12LTSP has been a god send for us. I needed to set up some new labs and had no money to buy traditional workstations. What I did have was a bunch of old Pentium I machines lying around unused that were no longer useful on our network. I converted them to K12LTSP thin clients and voila. They were running modern software and getting heavy use. There were some glitches in the beginning as I had only run Linux as a server not a workstation. Since that experiment, I have created minilabs in classrooms with more of those otherwise outdated machines and teachers are ecstatic. Kids can do research on the net, write papers, do projects etc. Good luck and I hope this helps. I never could have done this with a traditional client server approach. Dave Message: 4 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0500 From: Jason Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <418A686F.1070301 at execulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Everyone. I've been reading this list for about a week now and I'm enjoying it very much. It's been a great source of information. I work for a school board that just quite doesn't understand the benefit of Linux especially LTSP. We did have Linux servers for authentication for Windows machines and proxy etc but they got cold feet and went with MS 2003 Server (not without problems) We are currently working on getting 2 LTSPs at an elementary school and secondary school (for special education). I was wondering if anyone has some information, suggestions, presentations etc of the benefits of Linux/LTSP in the educational area. I have some websites bookmarked but I'm looking for more personal experience from a technician, teacher etc point of view. I'd like to use it to make a white paper of sorts to show how well Linux/LTSP works and saves money and time. Thank You for your time. Jason __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu Nov 4 20:00:12 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:00:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> Message-ID: <200411041958.iA4JvxuZ006854@mail1.firstbhph.com> Hi, Jason. I'm afraid I can't give you first-hand insight as to the merits of Linux/LTSP in an educational setting. I do, however, use both in a business setting. I believe that the merits of Linux and LTSP are so compelling, that I'm willing to build virtually my entire company's IT infrastructure around it. That having been said I, too, am a big fan of this list (very bright, very dedicated people - I learn every day by listening in [and hope to contribute where I can]. And, in reading the posts here, I can come up with some very good reasons why your schools will want to give Linux/LTSP a go: - as already mentioned, money. I'd venture to guess that the folks here have saved tens of thousands of (fill in your own currency here) by reusing "retired" hardware or buying new equipment that doesn't require e.g. an HD or lots of ram, etc., and, by using easily available, quality, free or low-cost software. - as you've seen, by being able to turn to bright, dedicated folks in the education field who use Linux/LTSP, and are more than willing to help others solve the problems we all encounter at one point or another. But if your people are more comfortable with it, there's always paid support from a growing list of companies. - it seems that the kids who use K12LTSP in their classrooms or labs love it. If you've used Linux yourself, you can certainly attest to the fact that it's easy to use and provides ample tools with which to work. Consider that most kids have been exposed to the Windows and Apple operating systems and programs already, and have mastered them. It's no stretch to learn Linux. - listen to your colleagues as they discuss all of the wondrous ways in which they've harnessed K12LTSP in their environments. Look at the recent "Wish List" posts to see what they have in mind for the future; astounding! This points up one of the beauties of Linux - it's highly customizable. Can't do that with a proprietary operating system. There are plenty of Linux vs. Windows articles out there. One I read recently can be found in an issue of Linxworld magazine (http://www.linuxworld.com/magazine/linuxworld_vol2issue11.pdf). Perhaps that will help bolster your cause. I hope this helps. Good luck in your efforts; I know you'll succeed. And there's plenty of help for you right here. Dimitri -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:36 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? Hi Everyone. I've been reading this list for about a week now and I'm enjoying it very much. It's been a great source of information. I work for a school board that just quite doesn't understand the benefit of Linux especially LTSP. We did have Linux servers for authentication for Windows machines and proxy etc but they got cold feet and went with MS 2003 Server (not without problems) We are currently working on getting 2 LTSPs at an elementary school and secondary school (for special education). I was wondering if anyone has some information, suggestions, presentations etc of the benefits of Linux/LTSP in the educational area. I have some websites bookmarked but I'm looking for more personal experience from a technician, teacher etc point of view. I'd like to use it to make a white paper of sorts to show how well Linux/LTSP works and saves money and time. Thank You for your time. Jason _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Nov 4 20:38:48 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:38:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <20041104185739.67187.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041104185739.67187.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <418A9358.30202@glenwood.k12.mo.us> David Tisdell wrote: >Hi Jason, >K12LTSP has been a god send for us. I needed to set up >some new labs and had no money to buy traditional >workstations. What I did have was a bunch of old >Pentium I machines lying around unused that were no >longer useful on our network. I converted them to >K12LTSP thin clients and voila. They were running >modern software and getting heavy use. There were some >glitches in the beginning as I had only run Linux as a >server not a workstation. Since that experiment, I >have created minilabs in classrooms with more of those >otherwise outdated machines and teachers are ecstatic. >Kids can do research on the net, write papers, do >projects etc. Good luck and I hope this helps. I never >could have done this with a traditional client server >approach. >Dave > > almost the exact same story for me & my school too -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Thu Nov 4 21:15:34 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:15:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <3166.216.216.171.235.1099575158.squirrel@216.216.171.235> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <3166.216.216.171.235.1099575158.squirrel@216.216.171.235> Message-ID: <1099602934.5968.11.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 14:32, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Ok, more wish list items, on the LTSP side: > > 1. Packaging of some of the exisiting apps - USB scanning is available and > working, would be nice to have it appear as a simple selection in > lts.conf. Would be great - yeah - and webcams too. > 2. Sound, but *both* ways - wouldn't you like to run a SIP softphone on a > terminal? I know, I would. Well, come to think of if, it's one of the reasons I still have our server on my desk here at home! I don want a fat cllient of standalone ws,, but would love to throu the server out into the attic and only have one of my 100% silent thin client on my desk! Any with a webcam I could even do video conf-ing from a ws > 4. Serial port support through lts.conf You mean, so you can access equipment attached to clients? I'm in on that too! -- Henning Wangerin From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 4 21:36:10 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:36:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <20041104172146.22108.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005701c4c2b6$4cc127e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > ### Section 3: Virtual Hosts > # > # VirtualHost: If you want to maintain multiple domains/hostnames on your > # machine you can setup VirtualHost containers for them. Most configurations > # use only name-based virtual hosts so the server doesn't need to worry about > # IP addresses. This is indicated by the asterisks in the directives below. > # > # Please see the documentation at > # > # for further details before you try to setup virtual hosts. > # > # You may use the command line option '-S' to verify your virtual host > # configuration. > > # > # Use name-based virtual hosting. > # > > > # Where do we put the lock and pif files? > LockFile "/var/lock/httpd.lock" > CoreDumpDirectory "/etc/httpd" > > # Defaults for virtual hosts > > # Logs > > # > # Virtual hosts > # > > # Virtual host Default Virtual Host > > ServerSignature email > DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.htm index.shtml > LogLevel warn > HostNameLookups off > > > > Options FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > > > > Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > Allow from all > Order allow,deny > > > > Options Indexes MultiViews > AllowOverride None > Allow from all > Order allow,deny > > > > Options ExecCGI > AllowOverride None > Allow from all > Order allow,deny > Just a few suggestions for changes here. Since you are doing name based hosting you need the NameVirtualHost * directive, also you should have a ServerName directive in each Virtual host, and your Directory directives specific to the virtual host should be contained in the virtual host containers. I'll paste the changes below: ### Section 3: Virtual Hosts # # VirtualHost: If you want to maintain multiple domains/hostnames on your # machine you can setup VirtualHost containers for them. Most configurations # use only name-based virtual hosts so the server doesn't need to worry about # IP addresses. This is indicated by the asterisks in the directives below. # # Please see the documentation at # # for further details before you try to setup virtual hosts. # # You may use the command line option '-S' to verify your virtual host # configuration. # # Use name-based virtual hosting. # NameVirtualHost * # Where do we put the lock and pif files? LockFile "/var/lock/httpd.lock" CoreDumpDirectory "/etc/httpd" # Defaults for virtual hosts # Logs # # Virtual hosts # # Virtual host Default Virtual Host ServerName madisonhs.yourdomain.com ServerSignature email DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.htm index.shtml LogLevel warn HostNameLookups off Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Allow from all Order allow,deny Options Indexes MultiViews AllowOverride None Allow from all Order allow,deny Options ExecCGI AllowOverride None Allow from all Order allow,deny --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 4 21:33:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:33:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099602934.5968.11.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <3166.216.216.171.235.1099575158.squirrel@216.216.171.235> <1099602934.5968.11.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> Message-ID: <1099604028.14542.44.camel@moola.futuresource.com> If you aren't tired of wish list items yet, throw in an rrdtool rpm and cacti from http://www.cacti.net/. It is great for graphing CPU, memory and bandwidth of the server and anything else that you can read with snmp. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 4 21:40:27 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:40:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <1099591274.14542.24.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <005801c4c2b6$e5f4f950$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I thought it worked when accessed with the server IP number. > Accessing by name isn't going to work without DNS support or > putting the name in everyone's hosts file. I reviewed the last few emails and refreshed my memory. I am not sure why the OSX machines work and the others don't, none of them should by the machine name only. If you aren't doing DNS for that machine then you need to do like Les suggested and add local hosts files to all of the machines, I think OS9 will handle this as well. Whatever you have in the hosts file needs to match the IP's and names used in your httpd.conf or things won't work. Otherwise just stick to IP access and make bookmarks or links on all of the machines to it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 4 21:49:26 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:49:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> References: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 12:35 PM +0000 wrote: >I work for a school board that just quite doesn't understand the benefit >of Linux especially LTSP. We did have Linux servers for authentication >for Windows machines and proxy etc but they got cold feet and went with >MS 2003 Server (not without problems) I'm perplexed....what the hell is a SCHOOL BOARD doing making IT infrastructure decisions? My school board makes decisions regarding policy, curriculum issues (to some degree), budget, and some central office stuff like approving the warrant and hiring the superintendent....and approving new hires. They hired ME to make the IT decisions. They could care less if it's M$ or Linux so long as it works. My server closet has 9 servers....6 are Linux...2 M$ (one for FirstClass Email server and one Win 2003 Terminal Server that we access via rdesktop from K12LTSP) and one OS X Xserve I use to image laptops. What they like is the money I'm saving. The last computer lab I budgeted for cost $24,000 for 20 machines (two years ago)...all P4's with 256 mb RAM all with XP Pro...etc. [We now dual boot...90% of the time they run as expensive terminals ;-) ] This year I plan to replace that lab (and migrate the other machines to classrooms)....it will cost less than $5,000 for 22 machines. I mentioned that to a couple school board members the other day and they were beside themselves with glee ;-) Seriously....because I show them how I save thousands of dollars....when it comes to something I really want like a new server to play with or something like that....they don't bat an eyelash. You should see my cabinets in the server closet....they're filled with brand new Amer.com switches and NIC's...(spares mind you...not installed) that are waiting for me to use when donated machines come in and I expand classroom offerings. I'm given this type of treatment because I've delivered the $$$ savings and we have incredible network stability and security. Two years ago we had 100% uptime...not ONE server went down all year. Last year we had one day where the Samba/LDAP server crashed, but that was my own stupid fault....thanks to folks on this list and the fact that it was a LInux Server (key selling point here)...NOT ONE SHRED OF DATA WAS LOST! I am now at the point where I am replacing recycled machines with nicer recycled machines that have been donated by local colleges and businesses. I recently received a crapload of Gateway E-3200's from SAPPI (local paper mill)...and they are awesome terminals...all come with 3Com nics built-in and compatible sound and video. They cleaned up nicely and are smaller than many of the others we have been using. A local publishing house donated 6 Dell Optiplex GX1's today. I replaced some older HUMUNGOUS Gateway terminals (full towers)...and the Dells are PXE bootable! The folks who donated them wanted the HD's and RAM out of them....I told them that was fine....I had some RAM kicking around (I put 32mb in them) and don't have any need for the HD's. They're gorgeous and everyone loves Dells. Anyway....long story...short....a good school board should be leaving these types of decisions up to the people qualified to make them! YOU! Windows, Linux, Mac OS X....or all three! (that's what we have) It's a decision that you and your colleagues should be making...not a bunch of elected folks who meet once or twice a month. Use what's best for your situation...I chose Linux for my server closet, because of the stability and cost....I'm now using K12LTSP in the labs and in classrooms because of cost and the ability to provide more access to technology as a result. Gone are the days of the "one computer classroom". All our classrooms have mini-labs of 3-5 machines now. What a HUGE difference it makes in the amount of time kids use technology. I've made a PDF of an article in which I, Paul Nelson, and a host of others are featured in support of K12LTSP (or Linux in general) in schools....it was featured on the front page of the Sept. 29th edition of Education Week Newspaper (www.edweek.org) http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/article.pdf I hope you can put some of this information to use in your argument. :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 4 21:45:26 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:45:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Docs Message-ID: <418AA2F6.3000308@yahoo.com> The links to the LDAP docs in the Wiki are broken. Does anyone have a new link to theses or an updated version of the docs? Thanks. Chris From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 4 22:00:45 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:00:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Docs In-Reply-To: <418AA2F6.3000308@yahoo.com> References: <418AA2F6.3000308@yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 4:45 PM +0000 wrote: >The links to the LDAP docs in the Wiki are broken. Does anyone have a >new link to theses or an updated version of the docs? Yep....theyr'e mine....go to my school web site http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us down in the lower right is a menu item for Linux Stuff.....click on it and it will expand and there will be a link for the Samba/LDAP doc. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 4 22:00:45 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:00:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Docs In-Reply-To: <418AA2F6.3000308@yahoo.com> References: <418AA2F6.3000308@yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 4:45 PM +0000 wrote: >The links to the LDAP docs in the Wiki are broken. Does anyone have a >new link to theses or an updated version of the docs? Yep....theyr'e mine....go to my school web site http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us down in the lower right is a menu item for Linux Stuff.....click on it and it will expand and there will be a link for the Samba/LDAP doc. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From morelocj at canby.k12.or.us Thu Nov 4 22:03:09 2004 From: morelocj at canby.k12.or.us (Joseph Morelock) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:03:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> References: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> Message-ID: <50546CC6-2EAD-11D9-BA31-000A95ACDF20@canby.k12.or.us> In my state (Oregon), the department of education has implemented a statewide student testing system that is completely web-based. Our first year on the testing system, we ended up having to close the library for nearly ten weeks so we could use their computer lab to test, and we moved teachers and classes around to take over their labs to complete the testing during the rest of the year. We, along with many other districts, had no money to add more labs (for either the hardware or people to maintain them). With the LTSP project, we were able to build a 50 station lab with old/outdated hardware (only purchasing a server). It is unfathomable what we would have done without this option. We are in the process of adding another two labs (since it is thin client/server we only have to admin one machine). Oh, and one more thing... we have not restarted the server(s) for our lab for more than two years (and counting....). That's what I call "maintenance-free." Joe On Nov 4, 2004, at 9:35 AM, Jason wrote: > Hi Everyone. > > I've been reading this list for about a week now and I'm enjoying it > very much. It's been a great source of information. > > I work for a school board that just quite doesn't understand the > benefit of Linux especially LTSP. We did have Linux servers for > authentication for Windows machines and proxy etc but they got cold > feet and went with MS 2003 Server (not without problems) > > We are currently working on getting 2 LTSPs at an elementary school > and secondary school (for special education). > > I was wondering if anyone has some information, suggestions, > presentations etc of the benefits of Linux/LTSP in the educational > area. I have some websites bookmarked but I'm looking for more > personal experience from a technician, teacher etc point of view. > > I'd like to use it to make a white paper of sorts to show how well > Linux/LTSP works and saves money and time. > > Thank You for your time. > > Jason > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Joseph Morelock Director of Network & Information Services Canby School District morelocj at canby.k12.or.us 503.266.7861 Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential escalation of a lucrative nature. From haysja at sages.us Thu Nov 4 22:11:24 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:11:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> Message-ID: <418AA90C.5080808@sages.us> David Trask wrote: >I'm perplexed....what the hell is a SCHOOL BOARD doing making IT >infrastructure decisions? My school board makes decisions regarding >policy, curriculum issues (to some degree), budget, and some central >office stuff like approving the warrant and hiring the > > > Oh, David. How sheltered you are. You are lucky that the school board allows you to make such decisions. I have not been allowed that luxury. Many school boards around here, especially in the smaller schools, want their hand in everything. A few years ago, a school board member created his own technology committee because he was not happy with what I was doing here. School boards that set policy and then get out of the way are not the norm. (That is how it should be, but that is not the way it is in most cases.) From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 4 22:19:44 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:19:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... Message-ID: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> Preface--- K12LTSP 4.1.0 IceWM Logins which used to take seconds(3 days ago), now take minutes... and load firefox or open office or even a terminal now takes 30+ seconds... ping times to server from client are 0.04ms(assuming it's not just pinging itself and not even going to/from the client) when I run top and watch it based on CPU%...when any app opens up it eats up all available CPU time it seems and even clicking the 'start' button for the menu and trying to navigate the menu tree to any available program takes forever as well "forever defined as extremely unusable I ran a yum upgrade to see if the issue was some older packages...but alas no luck. If I enable gnome logins....the login process takes even longer...but the menu navigation is MUCH faster....although loading an application still takes a long time. Students and library staff both breathing down my neck Let me know if more info is needed to help --Huck From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Nov 4 22:23:25 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:23:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... In-Reply-To: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> References: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> Message-ID: <418AABDD.8060804@criticalcontrol.com> Huck wrote: > Preface--- K12LTSP 4.1.0 > IceWM > > Logins which used to take seconds(3 days ago), now take minutes... What changed? Change it back... Did a new kernel came with the yum update, did you restart your server? > If I enable gnome logins....the login process takes even longer...but > the menu navigation is MUCH faster....although loading an application > still takes a long time. Because things get 'preloaded'. > Students and library staff both breathing down my neck garlic ? Peter From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Thu Nov 4 22:36:59 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:36:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418AA90C.5080808@sages.us> References: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> <418AA90C.5080808@sages.us> Message-ID: >> >Oh, David. How sheltered you are. You are lucky that the school >board allows you to make such decisions. I have not been allowed >that luxury. Many school boards around here, especially in the >smaller schools, want their hand in everything. A few years ago, a >school board member created his own technology committee because he >was not happy with what I was doing here. School boards that set >policy and then get out of the way are not the norm. (That is how >it should be, but that is not the way it is in most cases.) My comments are of no redeeming qualities whatsoever and will hopefully be considered an interesting anecdote or at least list fluff - A neighboring school district to mine was putting in a distance learning room with H.323 cameras, monitors etc. The board made all the decisions on the drapes that were going to be hung in the room, the color of the carpet and the paint on the walls. Not final approval, but pulling out swatches, and arguments over exactly what shade of taupe should be on the walls and how long the carpet fibers should be. In this case the technology was a group purchase amongst several area districts so they didn't spec out their own equipment but they were involved at every other level of the project from furniture to wall mounts and the colors in between. The neighbor district is a very small school district, <200 students I think. Scott From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 4 22:42:03 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:42:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... In-Reply-To: <418AABDD.8060804@criticalcontrol.com> References: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> <418AABDD.8060804@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <418AB03B.9060007@paasda.org> Pete wrote: > > What changed? Change it back... yum upgrade whatever was old changed I guess =)....no new kernel that I know of ... haven't rebooted since.. > Did a new kernel came with the yum update, did you restart your server? > >> If I enable gnome logins....the login process takes even longer...but >> the menu navigation is MUCH faster....although loading an application >> still takes a long time. > > > Because things get 'preloaded'. is there some slick way of seeing which files have been added/modified in Nov ? something like a 'ls -r | grep Nov' ? --Huck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 4 22:44:08 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:44:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... In-Reply-To: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> References: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1099608248.6056.46.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 14:19 -0800, Huck wrote: > Preface--- K12LTSP 4.1.0 > IceWM > > Logins which used to take seconds(3 days ago), now take minutes... > and load firefox or open office or even a terminal now takes 30+ seconds... Any time I see delays that are divisible by 30 seconds (30s, 1min, etc), the very first thing I check is that the DNS is functioning properly. After that, I'd just start combing the logs for likely errors. Run "dmesg", look at /var/log/messages, run "ifconfig". Look for SCSI/disc/network errors in particular. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 4 23:03:26 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:03:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Docs In-Reply-To: <418AA2F6.3000308@yahoo.com> References: <418AA2F6.3000308@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I fixed the PDF link in the wiki by putting a new doc at that URL.....I'm working on the others...I'll let you know ASAP. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 4 23:03:26 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:03:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Docs In-Reply-To: <418AA2F6.3000308@yahoo.com> References: <418AA2F6.3000308@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I fixed the PDF link in the wiki by putting a new doc at that URL.....I'm working on the others...I'll let you know ASAP. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 4 23:03:32 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:03:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... In-Reply-To: <1099608248.6056.46.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> <1099608248.6056.46.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <418AB544.1040206@paasda.org> ifconfig shows: [root at ltsp root]# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:07:E9:40:1C:7A inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::207:e9ff:fe40:1c7a/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:3835760 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:5042769 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:646602617 (616.6 Mb) TX bytes:3067535778 (2925.4 Mb) Base address:0x2040 Memory:fea60000-fea80000 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:07:E9:40:1C:7B inet addr:10.1.3.35 Bcast:10.1.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 inet6 addr: fe80::207:e9ff:fe40:1c7b/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:400098 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:406597 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:77622 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:124336167 (118.5 Mb) TX bytes:261722407 (249.5 Mb) Base address:0x2000 Memory:fea80000-feaa0000 nothing out of the ordinary...all packets looking good. dmesg I have no idea WHAT I'm looking at there.. ahh...a quick grep of my 'testuser' in messages shows it started on Nov 2 here is what it says...I don't understand WHAT it says though *blush* Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): starting (version 2.6.0), pid 9136 user 'huckda' Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9134): starting (version 2.6.0), pid 9134 user 'huckda' Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9134): Failed to get lock for daemon, exiting: Failed to lock '/tmp/gconfd-huckda/lock/ior': probably another process has the lock, or your operating system has NFS file locking misconfigured (Resource temporarily unavailable) Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only config source at position 0 Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/huckda/.gconf" to a writable config source at position 1 Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only config source at position 2 Nov 2 14:44:51 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Received signal 15, shutting down cleanly Nov 2 14:44:51 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Exiting the above is listed for every thin client login since Nov 2 when 'whatever' happened caused this... --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: >On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 14:19 -0800, Huck wrote: > > >>Preface--- K12LTSP 4.1.0 >>IceWM >> >>Logins which used to take seconds(3 days ago), now take minutes... >>and load firefox or open office or even a terminal now takes 30+ seconds... >> >> > >Any time I see delays that are divisible by 30 seconds (30s, 1min, >etc), >the very first thing I check is that the DNS is functioning properly. > >After that, I'd just start combing the logs for likely errors. Run >"dmesg", >look at /var/log/messages, run "ifconfig". Look for SCSI/disc/network >errors in particular. > > >-Eric > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Nov 4 23:01:22 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:01:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... In-Reply-To: <418AB03B.9060007@paasda.org> References: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> <418AABDD.8060804@criticalcontrol.com> <418AB03B.9060007@paasda.org> Message-ID: <418AB4C2.9000202@criticalcontrol.com> Huck wrote: > Pete wrote: > >> >> What changed? Change it back... > > > yum upgrade whatever was old changed I guess =)....no new kernel that > I know of ... > haven't rebooted since.. > >> Did a new kernel came with the yum update, did you restart your server? >> >>> If I enable gnome logins....the login process takes even >>> longer...but the menu navigation is MUCH faster....although loading >>> an application still takes a long time. >> >> >> >> Because things get 'preloaded'. > > > is there some slick way of seeing which files have been added/modified > in Nov ? > > something like a 'ls -r | grep Nov' ? > > --Huck From the current dir down find . -type f -ctime -3 -exec ls -l {} \; for the last 72 hours find . -daystart -type f -ctime -3 -exec ls -l {} \; for the last 72 hours starting from the last midnight. Peter From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Nov 4 23:38:50 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:38:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV Message-ID: I just received this message from fresh claim log. WARNING your ClamAV Installation is OUTDATED Please update Immediately. WARNING current functionality level = 2 required = 3... Anyone know the best, easiest (least heartache) way to do this????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.7 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 From loveless at lth5.k12.il.us Thu Nov 4 23:19:54 2004 From: loveless at lth5.k12.il.us (Abe Loveless) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:19:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099576457.11016.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <1099576457.11016.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <418AB91A.3080504@lth5.k12.il.us> Intro: My name is Abe Loveless, for the past several years I've been heavily supporting Linux servers in K-12 schools in Illinois(US). Primarily, we've been working with SME Server (E-Smith), recently IPCop, and even more recently I've been getting very interested in K12LTSP. I joined this list a couple weeks ago, after talking with Jim Hays. As everyone else says, a lot of info flies around here and I've learned a lot already. :) Les Mikesell wrote: > One more thing for the 'bug someone else' category: Find out what is up > with development on the free version of SME server these days and see if > it is possible to make it integrate better into a Linux network. It > would be really great if its web based user/group management maintained > an LDAP server with the current schemas needed for network > authentications, it had NFS to export the home directories, and its There's a big push right now to make SME Server's LDAP integration a lot better. So far, it looks like Derek Dresser is leading the charge in this area. I'd sure like to send you a link to the devinfo list archive, but they just completed the physical move of contribs.org to the Lycoris ISP and apparently don't have the previous messages restored yet. Greg Zartman is also spending some serious time working with the upgrade to Samba 3, and adding the ability to link the standard Windoze groups to SME Groups. (PowerUsers, Administrators, etc) > Of course, SME needs to be moved to fedora, Centos, or some other > current yum-maintained distro to make it a reasonable server choice. This is also in the works. Several contrib developers are working on the SME port to CentOS. Of course, we don't really know a lot as Lycoris hasn't released their intended roadmap for the SME product. But, it sounds like they are committed to supporting the open-source SME Server. From reading the list, and a few articles on devinfo... it sounds like Lycoris is going to push out a new SME Server fairly quick (probably re-branded with a few bug fixes), then dive into the CentOS port first thing. Be aware, of course, I don't speak for anyone but myself. ;) Anyway, I guess I just wanted to say that some of those SME requests are in the works... but if any K12LTSP gurus wanted to send out some feelers, they may or may not get any better answers than the rest of us. Regards, Abe -- --------------------------------------- Abe Loveless Network Specialist Area V Learning Technology Center 200 Clay St. Edwardsville, IL 62025 http://www.lth5.k12.il.us/ http://www.tech-geeks.org/ From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Thu Nov 4 23:30:30 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:30:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] All The Right Type & Linux In-Reply-To: <41896BF1.2020406@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: I added the & to the rc.local script. But now I get an address in use error. err: Bind failed err: Now Shutting down due to an error err: System error: 98 - Address already in use ---: Flushing outstanding requests ---: Uninitializing sockets ---: Freeing indices ---: Releasing table data ---: Releasing Mutex ---: Shutdown complete bt!: LogUnInit: UnInitializing Logger Does anyone know how I can kill that? I know the program using that address is killed but it seems the socket is still open. Also if I ssh into the machine and am NOT in the directory where the DB is and run /etc/rc.d/rc.local I get this error [root at tbserver /]# bt!: EndianInit: Architecture is little endian bt!: SockInit: FD_SETSIZE = 1024 bt!: MiniDB v2.0.2 err: Tables.txt file not found in / - no database to start But if I cd to the directory where the db is and run the /etc/rc.d/rc.local it finds the dbs. So I guess I need to figure out what I need to add the rc.local file to tell it the dbs are in /data/apps/all_the_right_type Jamie On 11/3/04 3:38 PM, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > Jamie McParland wrote: > >> I am trying to run the database portion of "All the right Type" to run on my >> fedora box. >> >>> From what I can tell it's actually MiniDB v2.0.2.. At least that's what it >> says in the log file. >> >> Anyway if i cd to the directory with the dbs in it i can run >> >> /atrtserv.linux >> >> and it works great.. That is until i kill my ssh terminal window. So I tried >> >> /atrtserv.linux & >> >> Also works good till i close my ssh session with the server (weird huh?) >> >> So I added >> >> /data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/atrtserv.linux >> >> to the >> >> /etc/rc.d/rc.local >> >> Still a no go. >> >> So my question is how do I set this up as a daemon or at least get this to >> run and run all the time? >> I would think some file in init.d but i wouldn't even know how to begin >> writing that file! >> >> Thanks, >> Jamie >> >> > > What error messages did you get when you tried putting it in > /etc/rc.d/rc.local? Also, did you add the "&" to the end of the line in > /etc/rc.d/rc.local? > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 4 23:42:21 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:42:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] All The Right Type & Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099611741.6056.56.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 15:30 -0800, Jamie McParland wrote: > I added the & to the rc.local script. But now I get an address in use error. > > err: Bind failed > err: Now Shutting down due to an error > err: System error: 98 - Address already in use > ---: Flushing outstanding requests > ---: Uninitializing sockets > ---: Freeing indices > ---: Releasing table data > ---: Releasing Mutex > ---: Shutdown complete > bt!: LogUnInit: UnInitializing Logger > > Does anyone know how I can kill that? I know the program using that address > is killed but it seems the socket is still open. Did you run "ps auxw | grep name-of-executable" to make sure there is not a copy running in the background? Worse case, you can run "lsof" (list open files) and look for the offending process. > Also if I ssh into the machine and am NOT in the directory where the DB is > and run > > /etc/rc.d/rc.local > > I get this error > > [root at tbserver /]# bt!: EndianInit: Architecture is little endian > bt!: SockInit: FD_SETSIZE = 1024 > bt!: MiniDB v2.0.2 > err: Tables.txt file not found in / - no database to start > > But if I cd to the directory where the db is and run the /etc/rc.d/rc.local > it finds the dbs. So I guess I need to figure out what I need to add the > rc.local file to tell it the dbs are in /data/apps/all_the_right_type > > Jamie > Change your entry in /etc/rc.d/rc.local from: /data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/atrtserv.linux to: pushd /data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/ /data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/atrtserv.linux & popd I think that will do the trick, based on the error that it is looking for Tables.txt in /. -Eric "pushd" is like "cd", but it remembers what directory you started from. When you want to go back, you just need to do a "popd". It is a good habit to do this in startup files and the like, since if something goes wrong you'll always end up back where you started - even if the command you run unexpectedly changes to a different directory. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 4 23:48:40 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:48:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] interesting bit from Novell on MS vs. Linux Message-ID: <418ABFD8.8060806@paasda.org> Dear Valued Customer, You may have seen a letter from Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft, which was sent to all Windows customers in an attempt to slow the flood of migration to Linux. Novell would like to make you aware that the points made by Mr. Ballmer in that letter include only those statements in its paid studies that reflect most positively on Microsoft when comparing their products to Linux. We'd like to share some additional facts with you that will shed some light on the bigger picture. *Total Cost of Ownership* Mr. Ballmer quotes selectively from Windows-favorable comments in a Yankee Group report ("Linux, UNIX and Windows TCO Comparison"). However ? that's not the whole story. That same report also states the following: * "...corporate customers report Linux provides businesses with excellent performance, reliability, ease of use and security. Yes, Linux is a viable alternative to UNIX and Windows. In addition, Linux is the most serious competition to Microsoft's dominance in the server operating system market to date." * "The ability to modify and customize the Linux source code affords customers the most intriguing possibilities for custom application development. This ability stands in stark contrast to the closed or proprietary nature of the Windows operating system. * "In summary, the Yankee Group's TCO survey found that Linux does offer compelling cost savings, economies of scale and technical advantages, as many a satisfied user will attest." *Security* Mr. Ballmer brings up the issue of security, which understandably is much on his mind. He cites Microsoft's recent investments in security research, process improvements, and customer education, and boasts of Microsoft's structured software engineering process that is designed to make software more secure. The truth is, Open Source uses a structured process, but it is definitely different from the one Microsoft utilizes. And to tell the truth, it seems to be working much better. Evans Data Corporation, in their Linux Development Survey dated Summer, 2004 shows: * Ninety two percent of survey respondents indicated that their Linux systems have never been infected with a virus Fewer than 7% said that they'd been the victims of three of more hacker intrusions. * On the other hand, the process Microsoft utilizes clearly has been inadequate at protecting its customers from costly malicious attacks. For example, two weeks ago Microsoft released a mammoth patch pack to address more than 20 vulnerabilities, most of them critical. Several of them, in Excel, Internet Explorer, and Exchange, could enable mass automated worm attacks. In a story that appeared in Computer Business Review Online , Drew Copley, senior research engineer at eEye Digital Security Inc, said that it took Microsoft 71 days to patch the Zip problem after being notified, but another vulnerability, a less-severe privilege escalation problem in Windows, took the firm 408 days to issue a patch for, though it was "stealth-patched" in XP SP2. "They can do better than that in my opinion. Even when they are fast there are often variants out by the time the patch comes out," he said. "I think that's a very important criticism to make." *Indemnification* Mr. Ballmer claims that it is rare for open source software to provide customers with any indemnification at all. The Novell? Linux Indemnification Program has been in place for quite some time. It offers indemnification for copyright infringement claims made by third parties against registered Novell customers. Novell has also placed its considerable patent portfolio squarely behind its customers, to defend against those who might assert patents against open source products marketed, sold or supported by Novell. For more information on the indemnification program, see http://www.novell.com/licensing/indemnity/ Read Novell's patent policy here: http://www.novell.com/company/policies/patent/ *Bottom Line* Linux can deliver a lower TCO, it is arguably more secure than Windows, and the combination of Novell's patent policies and the indemnification program offers for its open source products provides protection for customers who wish to make the leap to Linux. We invite you to read the full reports for yourself, and see why Linux is gaining more and more fans every day. Linux is the fastest growing operating system, used from desktops to the most demanding data centers. According to IDC reports, Linux enjoyed year-to-year growth of nearly 50% in 2003. By 2007, they estimate that 30% of all servers will run Linux, and they project a 44% compound annual growth rate in Linux desktops. According to an Information Week survey, Linux is now the dominant manifestation of open source. Nearly 70 percent of 420 business-technology professionals surveyed already use the operating system. Three-quarters of those using Linux on some of their companies' servers chose it for its performance capabilities and reliability. If the world were as Microsoft states, Linux would not be the world's fastest growing operating system, ISVs would not be writing to it in ever increasing numbers, partners would not be looking to sell it, and Microsoft would not have put a revenue caution related to Linux in their latest SEC filing. These, however, are the true facts. This information and much more is available on our website at http://www.novell.com/linux/truth. We encourage you to examine the facts in their entirety and see if Linux is right for you and your business. Sincerely, Jack Messman Ronald W. Hovsepian From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Thu Nov 4 23:51:02 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:51:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] All The Right Type & Linux In-Reply-To: <1099611741.6056.56.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Dang Eric! As usual.. You rock! That totally did the trick. Thanks, Jamie On 11/4/04 3:42 PM, "Eric Harrison" wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 15:30 -0800, Jamie McParland wrote: >> I added the & to the rc.local script. But now I get an address in use error. >> >> err: Bind failed >> err: Now Shutting down due to an error >> err: System error: 98 - Address already in use >> ---: Flushing outstanding requests >> ---: Uninitializing sockets >> ---: Freeing indices >> ---: Releasing table data >> ---: Releasing Mutex >> ---: Shutdown complete >> bt!: LogUnInit: UnInitializing Logger >> >> Does anyone know how I can kill that? I know the program using that address >> is killed but it seems the socket is still open. > > Did you run "ps auxw | grep name-of-executable" to make sure there is > not > a copy running in the background? > > Worse case, you can run "lsof" (list open files) and look for the > offending > process. > >> Also if I ssh into the machine and am NOT in the directory where the DB is >> and run >> >> /etc/rc.d/rc.local >> >> I get this error >> >> [root at tbserver /]# bt!: EndianInit: Architecture is little endian >> bt!: SockInit: FD_SETSIZE = 1024 >> bt!: MiniDB v2.0.2 >> err: Tables.txt file not found in / - no database to start >> >> But if I cd to the directory where the db is and run the /etc/rc.d/rc.local >> it finds the dbs. So I guess I need to figure out what I need to add the >> rc.local file to tell it the dbs are in /data/apps/all_the_right_type >> >> Jamie >> > > Change your entry in /etc/rc.d/rc.local from: > > /data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/atrtserv.linux > > to: > > pushd /data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/ > /data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/atrtserv.linux & > popd > > > > I think that will do the trick, based on the error that > it is looking for Tables.txt in /. > > -Eric > > "pushd" is like "cd", but it remembers what directory > you started from. When you want to go back, you just need > to do a "popd". It is a good habit to do this in startup > files and the like, since if something goes wrong you'll > always end up back where you started - even if the > command you run unexpectedly changes to a different > directory. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Nov 5 00:17:38 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:17:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <418AB91A.3080504@lth5.k12.il.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> < > <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <1099576457.11016.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <418AB91A.3080504@lth5.k12.il.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 4, 2004 at 6:19 PM +0000 wrote: >Intro: My name is Abe Loveless, for the past several years I've been >heavily supporting Linux servers in K-12 schools in Illinois(US). >Primarily, we've been working with SME Server (E-Smith), recently IPCop, >and even more recently I've been getting very interested in K12LTSP. I >joined this list a couple weeks ago, after talking with Jim Hays. As >everyone else says, a lot of info flies around here and I've learned a >lot already. :) ABE! Welcome aboard.....you and I have crossed paths online a few times. I'm in Maine and have lurked on the tech-geeks list from time to time.....you wrote a hostnames and addresses script called batch-hosts for me a couple years ago (Thanks again).....welcome to this list! Look forward to having your input to the project! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Nov 5 00:27:39 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:27:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <418AB91A.3080504@lth5.k12.il.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> < > <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <1099576457.11016.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <418AB91A.3080504@lth5.k12.il.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 4, 2004 at 6:19 PM +0000 wrote: >There's a big push right now to make SME Server's LDAP integration a lot >better. So far, it looks like Derek Dresser is leading the charge in >this area. I'd sure like to send you a link to the devinfo list >archive, but they just completed the physical move of contribs.org to >the Lycoris ISP and apparently don't have the previous messages restored >yet. Actually I intro'd Derek to SME a couple years ago at a Linux seminar he and I hosted. It'd be AWESOME to get Samba/LDAP working on SME....goodness how great life would be then! I can get NFS working OK so exporting home dirs is possible, but it's the LDAP stuff that would make life great. I currently have a Samba/LDAP server, be SME is so slick and easy to use.....I have a bunch of them doing everything from web server to Dansguardian/proxy etc. Abe Loveless has some awesome scripts at www.tech-geeks.org (great how-to's as well) to make adding users in bulk and adding machines a piece of cake. Derek emailed me a couple of weeks ago regarding the LDAP piece on SME....I told him I had given up for now, but he should submit it to the dev list at contribs.org (which he did). I'll be seeing Derek this weekend and am anxious to learn of any progress. Count me in for the testing and all! Hopefully Derek and I will be able to nail down a date for this years Summer Linux Conference at Gould Academy so ya'll can come (referencing an earlier thread in Sept or Oct. regarding a Northeast conference)....I'll keep ya'll posted. I'm psyched about this weekend and getting a lot of good ideas into play with LTSP and K12LTSP. I'm really interested in the NX stuff. I also think packaging the demo and supervision piece....aka TeacherTool, vncreflector, and RunSpy....should be possible, but it's a matter of what folks set for the priorities. (and how much beer we consume) :-P David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Nov 5 00:30:52 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:30:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <418AB91A.3080504@lth5.k12.il.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> < > <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <1099576457.11016.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <418AB91A.3080504@lth5.k12.il.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 4, 2004 at 6:19 PM +0000 wrote: >This is also in the works. Several contrib developers are working on >the SME port to CentOS. Of course, we don't really know a lot as >Lycoris hasn't released their intended roadmap for the SME product. >But, it sounds like they are committed to supporting the open-source SME >Server. From reading the list, and a few articles on devinfo... it >sounds like Lycoris is going to push out a new SME Server fairly quick >(probably re-branded with a few bug fixes), then dive into the CentOS >port first thing. This is SO COOL! I'm psyched! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 5 01:25:57 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:25:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... In-Reply-To: <418AB544.1040206@paasda.org> References: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> <1099608248.6056.46.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418AB544.1040206@paasda.org> Message-ID: <418AD6A5.5040006@cmosnetworks.com> I suggest going into single-user mode on your server, cd to your /tmp directory, and doing a rm -rf * on it. This should clear everything out. I remember dealing with that before when the permissions on the tmp files got messed up (I accidentally did a chown -R root:root tmp). --TP Huck wrote: > ifconfig shows: > [root at ltsp root]# ifconfig > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:07:E9:40:1C:7A > inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::207:e9ff:fe40:1c7a/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:3835760 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:5042769 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:646602617 (616.6 Mb) TX bytes:3067535778 (2925.4 Mb) > Base address:0x2040 Memory:fea60000-fea80000 > > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:07:E9:40:1C:7B > inet addr:10.1.3.35 Bcast:10.1.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::207:e9ff:fe40:1c7b/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:400098 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:406597 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:77622 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:124336167 (118.5 Mb) TX bytes:261722407 (249.5 Mb) > Base address:0x2000 Memory:fea80000-feaa0000 > > nothing out of the ordinary...all packets looking good. > > dmesg I have no idea WHAT I'm looking at there.. > > ahh...a quick grep of my 'testuser' in messages shows it started on Nov 2 > here is what it says...I don't understand WHAT it says though *blush* > > Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): starting (version 2.6.0), > pid 9136 user 'huckda' > Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9134): starting (version 2.6.0), > pid 9134 user 'huckda' > Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9134): Failed to get lock for > daemon, exiting: Failed to lock '/tmp/gconfd-huckda/lock/ior': > probably another process has > the lock, or your operating system has NFS file locking misconfigured > (Resource temporarily unavailable) > Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Resolved address > "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only config > source at position 0 > Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Resolved address > "xml:readwrite:/home/huckda/.gconf" to a writable config source at > position 1 > Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Resolved address > "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only config > source at position 2 > Nov 2 14:44:51 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Received signal 15, > shutting down cleanly > Nov 2 14:44:51 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Exiting > > the above is listed for every thin client login since Nov 2 when > 'whatever' happened caused this... > > --Huck > > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 14:19 -0800, Huck wrote: >> >> >>> Preface--- K12LTSP 4.1.0 >>> IceWM >>> >>> Logins which used to take seconds(3 days ago), now take minutes... >>> and load firefox or open office or even a terminal now takes 30+ >>> seconds... >>> >> >> >> Any time I see delays that are divisible by 30 seconds (30s, 1min, >> etc), the very first thing I check is that the DNS is functioning >> properly. >> >> After that, I'd just start combing the logs for likely errors. Run >> "dmesg", >> look at /var/log/messages, run "ifconfig". Look for SCSI/disc/network >> errors in particular. >> >> >> -Eric >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 5 01:34:20 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:34:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. Message-ID: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> I have a gazillion(really can't count) files in /tmp where I notice xses- and orbit- puts/gets info from... so I figure it's the cpu max'n out trying to access that info... all filenames start with a like 6 digit name followed by 9 characters incremented ie.. ... dummie1a01bOJkw dummie1a01bOJkx dummie1a01bOJky ... and so on and so forth... when I attempt to 'rm dummie*' I get a bash error about the argument list being too long... HELP?!?! some script guru out there? --Huck From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 5 01:33:11 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:33:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. In-Reply-To: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> References: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> Message-ID: <418AD857.7020700@cmosnetworks.com> Huck wrote: > I have a gazillion(really can't count) files in /tmp > > where I notice xses- and orbit- > puts/gets info from... > > so I figure it's the cpu max'n out trying to access that info... > > all filenames start with a like 6 digit name followed by 9 characters > incremented > > ie.. ... > dummie1a01bOJkw > dummie1a01bOJkx > dummie1a01bOJky > ... > and so on and so forth... > > when I attempt to 'rm dummie*' I get a bash error about the argument > list being too long... > > HELP?!?! > some script guru out there? > > --Huck > Try it this way and let us know: When you cd to your /tmp directory, then, as root, issue the "rm -rf *" command. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 5 01:41:22 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:41:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. In-Reply-To: <418AD857.7020700@cmosnetworks.com> References: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> <418AD857.7020700@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <418ADA42.5080702@paasda.org> first I 'init 1' then I cd /tmp then I rm -rf * and it re-init'd to 5!! so I tried in 5...logging in on console1 ctrl-alt-f1...cd /tmp , rm -rf *.... and it autologged me off! boggles --Huck Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Huck wrote: > >> I have a gazillion(really can't count) files in /tmp >> >> where I notice xses- and orbit- >> puts/gets info from... >> >> so I figure it's the cpu max'n out trying to access that info... >> >> all filenames start with a like 6 digit name followed by 9 characters >> incremented >> >> ie.. ... >> dummie1a01bOJkw >> dummie1a01bOJkx >> dummie1a01bOJky >> ... >> and so on and so forth... >> >> when I attempt to 'rm dummie*' I get a bash error about the argument >> list being too long... >> >> HELP?!?! >> some script guru out there? >> >> --Huck >> > > Try it this way and let us know: > > When you cd to your /tmp directory, then, as root, issue the "rm -rf > *" command. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check > it out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From olle at paalalinn.com Fri Nov 5 01:38:39 2004 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 03:38:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> References: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> Message-ID: <1099618719.3646.24.camel@server5.paalalinn.com> On N, 2004-11-04 at 19:35, Jason wrote: > Hi Everyone. > > I've been reading this list for about a week now and I'm enjoying it > very much. It's been a great source of information. > > I work for a school board that just quite doesn't understand the benefit > of Linux especially LTSP. We did have Linux servers for authentication > for Windows machines and proxy etc but they got cold feet and went with > MS 2003 Server (not without problems) > If I say "Linux", I mean "no viruses, no ads, no spyware". Plus multiple times less problems. Computer teacher is very happy now. When I say "Windows", I mean "2-3 times reinstall Windows in every computer in the class, antivirus software license costs every year, time losses because of viruses still coming in." As administrator... Every day is like nightmare with Windows. I really dont like work with Windows any more. I try to replace every Windows machine with Linux when possible. Olle Niit From bill at computassist.com Fri Nov 5 01:41:08 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:41:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... In-Reply-To: <418AD6A5.5040006@cmosnetworks.com> References: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> <1099608248.6056.46.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418AB544.1040206@paasda.org> <418AD6A5.5040006@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20041104194108.6ef6ca2f@heaven> On Thursday, Nov 04 Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > I suggest going into single-user mode on your server, cd to your /tmp > directory, and doing a rm -rf * on it. Just a small point here, but it's safer to type the command as: rm -rf /tmp/* otherwise it's too easy to THINK you've cd'd into /tmp, type the command, and discover your whole partition is going away because you actually typed it while in the / directory. Call me over-cautious, but typing the specific path is better. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 5 01:48:25 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:48:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... In-Reply-To: <20041104194108.6ef6ca2f@heaven> References: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> <1099608248.6056.46.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418AB544.1040206@paasda.org> <418AD6A5.5040006@cmosnetworks.com> <20041104194108.6ef6ca2f@heaven> Message-ID: <418ADBE9.9080706@paasda.org> well after those last attempts.. I 'ls'd again... 5 min later... screen still scroll'n with files.... I am really at a loss here =) mv /tmp /dev/null ? mkdir tmp =) --Huck Bill Bardon wrote: >On Thursday, Nov 04 Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > >>I suggest going into single-user mode on your server, cd to your /tmp >>directory, and doing a rm -rf * on it. >> >> > >Just a small point here, but it's safer to type the command as: > >rm -rf /tmp/* > >otherwise it's too easy to THINK you've cd'd into /tmp, type the >command, and discover your whole partition is going away because you >actually typed it while in the / directory. Call me over-cautious, but >typing the specific path is better. > > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 5 01:55:16 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:55:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... In-Reply-To: <418AD6A5.5040006@cmosnetworks.com> References: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> <1099608248.6056.46.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418AB544.1040206@paasda.org> <418AD6A5.5040006@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <418ADD84.4040909@paasda.org> okay I did this... cd / mv tmp blah mkdir tmp chmod 777 tmp chmod +t tmp I hope it works out well for me =) We'll know tomorrow... 6pm..I'm go'n home =) (would still like to rm all that junk from /blah now) --Huck thanks for help guys! Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > I suggest going into single-user mode on your server, cd to your /tmp > directory, and doing a rm -rf * on it. This should clear everything > out. I remember dealing with that before when the permissions on the > tmp files got messed up (I accidentally did a chown -R root:root tmp). > > --TP > > Huck wrote: > >> ifconfig shows: >> [root at ltsp root]# ifconfig >> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:07:E9:40:1C:7A >> inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 >> Mask:255.255.255.0 >> inet6 addr: fe80::207:e9ff:fe40:1c7a/64 Scope:Link >> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 >> RX packets:3835760 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 >> TX packets:5042769 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 >> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 >> RX bytes:646602617 (616.6 Mb) TX bytes:3067535778 (2925.4 Mb) >> Base address:0x2040 Memory:fea60000-fea80000 >> >> eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:07:E9:40:1C:7B >> inet addr:10.1.3.35 Bcast:10.1.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 >> inet6 addr: fe80::207:e9ff:fe40:1c7b/64 Scope:Link >> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 >> RX packets:400098 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 >> TX packets:406597 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 >> collisions:77622 txqueuelen:1000 >> RX bytes:124336167 (118.5 Mb) TX bytes:261722407 (249.5 Mb) >> Base address:0x2000 Memory:fea80000-feaa0000 >> >> nothing out of the ordinary...all packets looking good. >> >> dmesg I have no idea WHAT I'm looking at there.. >> >> ahh...a quick grep of my 'testuser' in messages shows it started on >> Nov 2 >> here is what it says...I don't understand WHAT it says though *blush* >> >> Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): starting (version 2.6.0), >> pid 9136 user 'huckda' >> Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9134): starting (version 2.6.0), >> pid 9134 user 'huckda' >> Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9134): Failed to get lock for >> daemon, exiting: Failed to lock '/tmp/gconfd-huckda/lock/ior': >> probably another process has >> the lock, or your operating system has NFS file locking misconfigured >> (Resource temporarily unavailable) >> Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Resolved address >> "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only config >> source at position 0 >> Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Resolved address >> "xml:readwrite:/home/huckda/.gconf" to a writable config source at >> position 1 >> Nov 2 08:00:42 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Resolved address >> "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only config >> source at position 2 >> Nov 2 14:44:51 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Received signal 15, >> shutting down cleanly >> Nov 2 14:44:51 ltsp gconfd (huckda-9136): Exiting >> >> the above is listed for every thin client login since Nov 2 when >> 'whatever' happened caused this... >> >> --Huck >> >> Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 14:19 -0800, Huck wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Preface--- K12LTSP 4.1.0 >>>> IceWM >>>> >>>> Logins which used to take seconds(3 days ago), now take minutes... >>>> and load firefox or open office or even a terminal now takes 30+ >>>> seconds... >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Any time I see delays that are divisible by 30 seconds (30s, 1min, >>> etc), the very first thing I check is that the DNS is functioning >>> properly. >>> >>> After that, I'd just start combing the logs for likely errors. Run >>> "dmesg", >>> look at /var/log/messages, run "ifconfig". Look for >>> SCSI/disc/network errors in particular. >>> >>> >>> -Eric >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > From bill at computassist.com Fri Nov 5 01:57:24 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:57:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... In-Reply-To: <418ADBE9.9080706@paasda.org> References: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> <1099608248.6056.46.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418AB544.1040206@paasda.org> <418AD6A5.5040006@cmosnetworks.com> <20041104194108.6ef6ca2f@heaven> <418ADBE9.9080706@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20041104195724.613c1e47@heaven> On Thursday, Nov 04 Huck wrote: > well after those last attempts.. I 'ls'd again... > > 5 min later... screen still scroll'n with files.... > I am really at a loss here =) Since the wildcard (*) is not working, what about using tmpwatch to delete all the files except for recently used ones? Some thing like: tmpwatch -a -f 24 /tmp -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Nov 5 01:58:36 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:58:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu spikes killing me... In-Reply-To: <418ADD84.4040909@paasda.org> References: <418AAB00.2020900@paasda.org> <1099608248.6056.46.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418AB544.1040206@paasda.org> <418AD6A5.5040006@cmosnetworks.com> <418ADD84.4040909@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1099619916.19347.76.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 17:55 -0800, Huck wrote: > okay I did this... > cd / > mv tmp blah > mkdir tmp > chmod 777 tmp > chmod +t tmp > > I hope it works out well for me =) > > We'll know tomorrow... 6pm..I'm go'n home =) > (would still like to rm all that junk from /blah now) To blow out /blah: find /blah -type f -print0 | xargs -0 ls -l Make sure that's the stuff you want gone; then change "ls -l" to "rm -rf". -- Dan Young dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Parkrose School District Phone: 503-408-2734 From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Nov 5 02:21:13 2004 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:21:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. In-Reply-To: <418AD857.7020700@cmosnetworks.com> References: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> <418AD857.7020700@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <418AE399.5010904@fpcc.net> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Huck wrote: > >> I have a gazillion(really can't count) files in /tmp >> >> where I notice xses- and orbit- >> puts/gets info from... >> >> so I figure it's the cpu max'n out trying to access that info... >> >> all filenames start with a like 6 digit name followed by 9 characters >> incremented >> >> ie.. ... >> dummie1a01bOJkw >> dummie1a01bOJkx >> dummie1a01bOJky >> ... >> and so on and so forth... >> >> when I attempt to 'rm dummie*' I get a bash error about the argument >> list being too long... >> >> HELP?!?! >> some script guru out there? >> >> --Huck >> > > Try it this way and let us know: > > When you cd to your /tmp directory, then, as root, issue the "rm -rf *" > command. I think that will cause the same problem as "rm dummie*". try "cd /tmp;find ./ -name 'dummie*' -exec rm -f \{\} ';'" Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: caldodge.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 249 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 5 02:37:10 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:37:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. In-Reply-To: <418AE399.5010904@fpcc.net> References: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> <418AD857.7020700@cmosnetworks.com> <418AE399.5010904@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <418AE756.20908@paasda.org> heh...reboot'd itself...not a happy thing... fsck woes now =) got the tape down on the 'n' key ... unattached inode 9000 and counting... connect to /lost+found.... no thanks =) *shrugs* guess who might be reinstalling his server on Sunday... --Huck Calvin Dodge wrote: > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Huck wrote: >> >>> I have a gazillion(really can't count) files in /tmp >>> >>> where I notice xses- and orbit- >>> puts/gets info from... >>> >>> so I figure it's the cpu max'n out trying to access that info... >>> >>> all filenames start with a like 6 digit name followed by 9 >>> characters incremented >>> >>> ie.. ... >>> dummie1a01bOJkw >>> dummie1a01bOJkx >>> dummie1a01bOJky >>> ... >>> and so on and so forth... >>> >>> when I attempt to 'rm dummie*' I get a bash error about the argument >>> list being too long... >>> >>> HELP?!?! >>> some script guru out there? >>> >>> --Huck >>> >> >> Try it this way and let us know: >> >> When you cd to your /tmp directory, then, as root, issue the "rm -rf >> *" command. > > > > I think that will cause the same problem as "rm dummie*". > > try "cd /tmp;find ./ -name 'dummie*' -exec rm -f \{\} ';'" > > Calvin > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Nov 5 02:53:01 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:53:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. In-Reply-To: <418AE399.5010904@fpcc.net> References: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> <418AD857.7020700@cmosnetworks.com> <418AE399.5010904@fpcc.net> Message-ID: caldodge at fpcc.net on Thursday, November 4, 2004 at 9:21 PM +0000 wrote: >I think that will cause the same problem as "rm dummie*". > >try "cd /tmp;find ./ -name 'dummie*' -exec rm -f \{\} ';'" I was able to do it with rm -Rf * David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 5 02:51:27 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:51:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. In-Reply-To: References: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> <418AD857.7020700@cmosnetworks.com> <418AE399.5010904@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <418AEAAF.2090305@paasda.org> I'm at 35000 unattached Inodes and counting mate.. it's no wonder it didn't work for me... but what is more odd is that it auto-logged me out... auto-rebooted....and auto-init 5'd... depending on which init I was in and how I did the rm -rf * --Huck David Trask wrote: >caldodge at fpcc.net on Thursday, November 4, 2004 at 9:21 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>I think that will cause the same problem as "rm dummie*". >> >>try "cd /tmp;find ./ -name 'dummie*' -exec rm -f \{\} ';'" >> >> > >I was able to do it with rm -Rf * > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From haynest at mchsi.com Fri Nov 5 02:23:22 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:23:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> Message-ID: <200411050256.iA52uWfw008975@mx1.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jason > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:36 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? > > Hi Everyone. --snippola-- > > I was wondering if anyone has some information, suggestions, > presentations etc of the benefits of Linux/LTSP in the > educational area. > I have some websites bookmarked but I'm looking for more > personal experience from a technician, teacher etc point of view. Jason... I am not an expert, and we do not use LTSP. I have an interest in Linux, and administer two servers for the school. I am really a classroom teacher, although I have history in the server room. In another life I was a network administrator for a public school of 2400, and I got Novell and MS certified back in the day. We use Linux for two reasons. It works, and it is cheap. One machine I administer is a former Novell server that is a network file server for the students in a laptop school. It has about 800 users, and the machine provides web pages for them. Not all the teachers or students use the pages instructionally, but a few of them are. http://student.culver.org/~couchg/math/ is an example of a student site for a math class. The functions link is broken because his partner on that one is no longer at school, but you get the point. This server has been the Energizer Bunny of servers. It authenticates off the Windows domain, and has been very easy to set up and use. The other machine runs Moodle, and it is the poorboy's answer to BlackBoard. The computer club built this machine from parts off the internet, and it works better than it has any right to work. This thing started with $125 or so of parts and the technology dept. bought us some more ram. Webalizer claims it has averaged over 16,000 hits a day since school started. http://academies.culver.org/moodle Some of the Moodle courses are pretty empty, but check the Garmey Humanities or some of the math classes. We are running something that probably has better functionality than Blackboard on a machine with a $25 power supply, IDE hard drives, and no-name ram. Linux makes it all work. In terms of instructional bang for the technology buck, these machines are the answer. They need almost no attention. They have worked really well. Security has been excellent, and we have not had to struggle with the worms, viruses, etc. of the MS machines. It is a no brainer to anyone who can think about the issues for instructional tech. My 2 cents... Tom From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Nov 5 01:57:00 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:57:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. In-Reply-To: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> References: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> Message-ID: <418ADDEC.2030305@gwi.net> Huck wrote: > ie.. ... > dummie1a01bOJkw > dummie1a01bOJkx > dummie1a01bOJky > ... > and so on and so forth... > > when I attempt to 'rm dummie*' I get a bash error about the argument > list being too long... How does 'rm dummie*w' work? then substitute x, y, ... This could be done any number of other ways, but that one is easy and will probably work. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From k12osn at collinsoft.com Fri Nov 5 03:16:33 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:16:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware recommendations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, David Trask wrote: > I'm researching this issue for a colleague in another school. His school > currently uses FirstClass for email and conferencing stuff > (http://www.firstclass.com/) (nice product...I'm using it right now to > type this) but they need to move to an Open Source program as the funding > has dried up. Anyone have any recommendations for groupware style apps > that are similar? Being able to post to conferences for collaboration > without mass emailing everyone would be a big plus. It would also be a > plus if it'll work on an E-Smith/SME server. Let me know your > recommendations..... :-) For e-mail use Squirrelmail, and for coursework, check out http://www.moodle.org/. Moodle can authenticate against almost anything (including pop3 or imap even). -- Ryan Collins Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From pfaffman at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 03:29:57 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:29:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> References: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> Message-ID: <9326098004110419294ab63577@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0500, Jason wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has some information, suggestions, > presentations etc of the benefits of Linux/LTSP in the educational area. > I have some websites bookmarked but I'm looking for more personal > experience from a technician, teacher etc point of view. The feature that I think is most overlooked is that students get--for the first time in schools--personal computers. They sit down--anywhere---and their files, bookmarks, backgrounds (with some window managers) and so on are all there. Computers didn't make businesses more productive until everyone had computers. Many kids had their own file space in the days that Novell ruled the roost, but since MS started charging per person (instead of simultaneous users) kids haven't had their own file space. Being able to sit down at a computer and get right to work makes a big difference (or so it seems from my Ivory Tower--where students do not that that luxury). -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From robark at telus.net Fri Nov 5 04:45:17 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:45:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. In-Reply-To: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> References: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> Message-ID: <418B055D.70806@telus.net> Huck, make sure before you reinstall that your HD and controller is okay. Usually HD manufacturers will have a utility disk to do a low level check. I had my scsi drive go downhill on me cause I was using an old driver. Robert Arkiletian From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 5 04:34:16 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:34:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <418AB91A.3080504@lth5.k12.il.us> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <1099576457.11016.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <418AB91A.3080504@lth5.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <20041105042613.M21036@winonacotter.org> Here is another one. How about an integrated backup system with easy to use GUI for backing up to HD's, Tapes, or network devices/servers. And also incorporate a bare metal restore with GUI from Disk 1 of the boot set. I know there are a plethora of options out there which can be overwhelming. I would love to see this prepackaged like it is with Windows Server OS's (Of course better). And a simple GUI would be awesome instead of command line stuff. After all this is a Server OS and servers need backup, I don't care who you are. And just in case this list isn't long enough how about a migration tool for moving to a new system on major upgrades? Since we all know that a fresh install is always better than an update on major distro changes. Something that automatically grabs all of the key files to move to the new server. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 5 04:42:15 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:42:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041105044054.M71947@winonacotter.org> > I just received this message from fresh claim log. WARNING your > ClamAV Installation is OUTDATED Please update Immediately. WARNING current > functionality level = 2 required = 3... Anyone know the best, > easiest (least heartache) way to do this????? Call me crazy but would a "yum update clamav" work? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From kmgrant at actaccess.net Fri Nov 5 05:44:05 2004 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:44:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <9326098004110419294ab63577@mail.gmail.com> References: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> <9326098004110419294ab63577@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418B1325.3090803@actaccess.net> I am working on setting up my first K12LTSP server for a local private school. Besides not having a great deal of money for IT, they also have no one on staff with IT experience. Therefore they need a system that is very low maintenance. Right now the have a collection of Win2K machines that always require work. In my opinion, this is one of the main reasons to move to LTSP. When we are done, we will have 40 clients that don't have to be defraged; have their drives checked for integrity; cleaned of viruses, spy-ware, and malware, or be backed up. This will add greatly to the reliability and performance of their network. And as was mentioned earlier, the student can sit down at any workstation and begin working on their documents and every night all the documents will be backed up. While money is the primary motivator for moving to Linux, you need to remember that you do not need to worry constantly about being in compliance with License Agreements. Linux frees you up to use technology in wonderful and innovative ways. It removes a major maintenance and compliance headache. Cheers, Ken Jay Pfaffman wrote: > On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0500, Jason wrote: > > >>I was wondering if anyone has some information, suggestions, >>presentations etc of the benefits of Linux/LTSP in the educational area. >> I have some websites bookmarked but I'm looking for more personal >>experience from a technician, teacher etc point of view. > > > The feature that I think is most overlooked is that students get--for > the first time in schools--personal computers. They sit > down--anywhere---and their files, bookmarks, backgrounds (with some > window managers) and so on are all there. Computers didn't make > businesses more productive until everyone had computers. Many kids > had their own file space in the days that Novell ruled the roost, but > since MS started charging per person (instead of simultaneous users) > kids haven't had their own file space. Being able to sit down at a > computer and get right to work makes a big difference (or so it seems > from my Ivory Tower--where students do not that that luxury). > From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Nov 5 08:32:53 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:32:53 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> References: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> Message-ID: <200411050832.53327.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 04 Nov 2004 5:35 pm, Jason wrote: > Hi Everyone. > > I was wondering if anyone has some information, suggestions, > presentations etc of the benefits of Linux/LTSP in the educational area. > I have some websites bookmarked but I'm looking for more personal > experience from a technician, teacher etc point of view. You can find a discussion of our experiences here http://www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/LinuxProject and how we see things going here http://www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/DepartmentalPlans and here is some stuff on why the original decision to move to Linux was taken; this was before I came on the scene (I'm the techie) http://www.openhgs.org/linuxmig.htm -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Grab the latest one (work in >> progress)... >> >> -Gideon >> >> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:24, Gideon Romm wrote: / >> >>> / I packaged up what I did to get NX working on LTSP as best I can >>> for a version 0.1, and I placed it on our SourceForge site for >>> download, if anyone is interested: >>> >>> _http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/NX_LTSP_0.1.tgz?download_ >>> >>> The usual caveats of OSS apply, but I would be really interested in >>> feedback. Especially from others who have succeeded in this as well, >>> and how this compares with their solutions. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> -Gideon/ >>> >>>-- >>>-------------------------------------------------------- >>>Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com >>> >>>Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 >>>134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 >>>New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 >>> >>> www.symbio-technologies.com >>> www.thesymbiont.com >>> >>-- >>-------------------------------------------------------- >>Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com >> >>Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 >>134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 >>New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 >> >> www.symbio-technologies.com >> www.thesymbiont.com >> > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com > > > > // > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I've just installed this package but I've some trouble. After the login with nxclient I can see the NoMachine logo for few seconds and then I get a blank screen with a simple X cursor. The authentication works, I've checked twice the log on the server which says that the public key has been accepted, ecc... What could be the problem? Do I miss something? Do I have to pass some extra arguments in my lts.conf. [ws251] XSERVER = vesa X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 SCREEN_01 = startnx X_HORZSYNC = 30.0-70.0 X_VERTREFRESH = 56.0-61.0 From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Nov 5 12:10:36 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:10:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411051208.iA5C8JF0014434@mail1.firstbhph.com> Are you trying to update the signature database? If so, run freshclam. If you've installed Webmin, there's a very good third-party module for administering ClamAV. HTH. Dimitri -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:39 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV I just received this message from fresh claim log. WARNING your ClamAV Installation is OUTDATED Please update Immediately. WARNING current functionality level = 2 required = 3... Anyone know the best, easiest (least heartache) way to do this????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.7 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Nov 5 12:17:10 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:17:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411051214.iA5CErkf014487@mail1.firstbhph.com> Rick, Forget my earlier post (or not). I think you're just getting an informational message, like I am, because clamav-0.80 has been released. Dimitri -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:39 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV I just received this message from fresh claim log. WARNING your ClamAV Installation is OUTDATED Please update Immediately. WARNING current functionality level = 2 required = 3... Anyone know the best, easiest (least heartache) way to do this????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.7 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 5 12:34:27 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 04:34:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. In-Reply-To: <418ADDEC.2030305@gwi.net> References: <418AD89C.2020303@paasda.org> <418ADDEC.2030305@gwi.net> Message-ID: <418B7353.1020108@paasda.org> Left last night at 7pm with the 'n' key taped down so as to NON connect any of the unattached inode's to /lost+found.... after 500,000 were done... it's 4:30am and it's still chug'n...1.2 million more and counting.... the word *hosed* comes to mind... --Huck Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Huck wrote: > >> ie.. ... >> dummie1a01bOJkw >> dummie1a01bOJkx >> dummie1a01bOJky >> ... >> and so on and so forth... >> >> when I attempt to 'rm dummie*' I get a bash error about the argument >> list being too long... > > > How does 'rm dummie*w' work? then substitute x, y, ... > > This could be done any number of other ways, but that one is easy and > will probably work. > Chris > From robowens at myway.com Fri Nov 5 13:09:58 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:09:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. Message-ID: <20041105130958.D70DC39DD@mprdmxin.myway.com> If /tmp was a separate partition, you could simply reformat it. I guess that doesn't help you now, but maybe in the future it would be worthwhile to set it up this way. It would also help you keep a cap on how much crap can get stored in /tmp. -Rob --- On Thu 11/04, Christopher K. Johnson < ckjohnson at gwi.net > wrote: From: Christopher K. Johnson [mailto: ckjohnson at gwi.net] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:57:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. Huck wrote:

> ie.. ...
> dummie1a01bOJkw
> dummie1a01bOJkx
> dummie1a01bOJky
> ...
> and so on and so forth...
>
> when I attempt to 'rm dummie*' I get a bash error about the argument
> list being too long...

How does 'rm dummie*w' work? then substitute x, y, ...

This could be done any number of other ways, but that one is easy and
will probably work.

Chris

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 5 13:17:43 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 05:17:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. In-Reply-To: <20041105130958.D70DC39DD@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20041105130958.D70DC39DD@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <418B7D77.8070702@paasda.org> how to cap how much a directory can hold? and I'm in full agreement on the /tmp as a partition to go along with /home --Huck Rob Owens wrote: >If /tmp was a separate partition, you could simply reformat it. I guess that doesn't help you now, but maybe in the future it would be worthwhile to set it up this way. It would also help you keep a cap on how much crap can get stored in /tmp. > >-Rob > > > --- On Thu 11/04, Christopher K. Johnson < ckjohnson at gwi.net > wrote: >From: Christopher K. Johnson [mailto: ckjohnson at gwi.net] >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:57:00 -0500 >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. > >Huck wrote:

> ie.. ...
> dummie1a01bOJkw
> dummie1a01bOJkx
> dummie1a01bOJky
> ...
> and so on and so forth...
>
> when I attempt to 'rm dummie*' I get a bash error about the argument
> list being too long...

How does 'rm dummie*w' work? then substitute x, y, ...

This could be done any number of other ways, but that one is easy and
will probably work.

Chris

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> >_______________________________________________ >No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From robowens at myway.com Fri Nov 5 13:34:17 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:34:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? Message-ID: <20041105133417.7285F39CC@mprdmxin.myway.com> If the school board wants to be directly involved in the IT decisions, make them sorry. Print out every email response you have gotten on this list. Print out every testimonial you can find on the internet. Print out every "why linux is better" article you can find. Top it off with a concise and well-written recommendation from yourself. Drop this 5 pound pile of paper on their table and say "this is why we should use linux". Of course they won't read it all. If they do read it all, they will quite likely be convinced that linux is the way to go. If they don't read it, they would be taking a big risk by saying no to linux--they have a pile of documentation in front of them stating why linux is better, so they'd better be ready to produce an equally-sized pile of documentation countering your claims if they want to deny your request and still appear like they know what they are doing. Imagine if the taxpayers found out... -Rob --- On Fri 11/05, Martin Woolley < sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk > wrote: From: Martin Woolley [mailto: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk] To: k12osn at redhat.com, tuxnician at execulink.com Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:32:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Why Linux? On Thursday 04 Nov 2004 5:35 pm, Jason wrote:
> Hi Everyone.
>

> I was wondering if anyone has some information, suggestions,
> presentations etc of the benefits of Linux/LTSP in the educational area.
> I have some websites bookmarked but I'm looking for more personal
> experience from a technician, teacher etc point of view.

You can find a discussion of our experiences here
http://www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/LinuxProject
and how we see things going here
http://www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/DepartmentalPlans
and here is some stuff on why the original decision to move to Linux was
taken; this was before I came on the scene (I'm the techie)
http://www.openhgs.org/linuxmig.htm
--
Regards
Martin Woolley
ICT Support
Handsworth Grammar School
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From lsrpm at mts.net Fri Nov 5 13:58:24 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:58:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] All The Right Type & Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <418B8700.2090102@mts.net> Jamie McParland wrote: >Dang Eric! As usual.. You rock! That totally did the trick. > >Thanks, >Jamie > > >On 11/4/04 3:42 PM, "Eric Harrison" wrote: > > > >>On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 15:30 -0800, Jamie McParland wrote: >> >> >>>I added the & to the rc.local script. But now I get an address in use error. >>> >>>err: Bind failed >>>err: Now Shutting down due to an error >>>err: System error: 98 - Address already in use >>>---: Flushing outstanding requests >>>---: Uninitializing sockets >>>---: Freeing indices >>>---: Releasing table data >>>---: Releasing Mutex >>>---: Shutdown complete >>>bt!: LogUnInit: UnInitializing Logger >>> >>>Does anyone know how I can kill that? I know the program using that address >>>is killed but it seems the socket is still open. >>> >>> >>Did you run "ps auxw | grep name-of-executable" to make sure there is >>not >>a copy running in the background? >> >>Worse case, you can run "lsof" (list open files) and look for the >>offending >>process. >> >> >> >>>Also if I ssh into the machine and am NOT in the directory where the DB is >>>and run >>> >>>/etc/rc.d/rc.local >>> >>>I get this error >>> >>>[root at tbserver /]# bt!: EndianInit: Architecture is little endian >>>bt!: SockInit: FD_SETSIZE = 1024 >>>bt!: MiniDB v2.0.2 >>>err: Tables.txt file not found in / - no database to start >>> >>>But if I cd to the directory where the db is and run the /etc/rc.d/rc.local >>>it finds the dbs. So I guess I need to figure out what I need to add the >>>rc.local file to tell it the dbs are in /data/apps/all_the_right_type >>> >>>Jamie >>> >>> >>> >>Change your entry in /etc/rc.d/rc.local from: >> >> /data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/atrtserv.linux >> >>to: >> >> pushd /data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/ >> /data/apps/all_the_right_type_server/atrtserv.linux & >> popd >> >> >> >>I think that will do the trick, based on the error that >>it is looking for Tables.txt in /. >> >>-Eric >> >>"pushd" is like "cd", but it remembers what directory >>you started from. When you want to go back, you just need >>to do a "popd". It is a good habit to do this in startup >>files and the like, since if something goes wrong you'll >>always end up back where you started - even if the >>command you run unexpectedly changes to a different >>directory. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > slightly off topic but related, does anyone know if ATRT is going to come out with a workstation version? The only thing I miss after switching the lab over to completely linux via ltsp is having the kids use All The Right Type. Ktouch is nice, but ATRT has got to be the best I've ever seen for a teaching environment. It keeps track of individual student progress work, etc. Reports can be printed, etc. before I switched over I had been running windows workstations using atrt with the database running on a linux server. I wish they would develop a linux version of the workstation program. That would rock! From ehrhart at ycoe.org Fri Nov 5 15:28:08 2004 From: ehrhart at ycoe.org (Ehrhart, Jay) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:28:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV Message-ID: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF3F36DE6@merlin.ycoe.org> You can go to dag.wieers.com and download the rpms. That's what I did. There are 5 rpms that you will need. -----Original Message----- From: Dimitri Yioulos [mailto:dyioulos at firstbhph.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:17 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] ClamAV Rick, Forget my earlier post (or not). I think you're just getting an informational message, like I am, because clamav-0.80 has been released. Dimitri -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:39 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV I just received this message from fresh claim log. WARNING your ClamAV Installation is OUTDATED Please update Immediately. WARNING current functionality level = 2 required = 3... Anyone know the best, easiest (least heartache) way to do this????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.7 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Nov 5 15:59:58 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:59:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418AA90C.5080808@sages.us> References: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> < > <418AA90C.5080808@sages.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 5:11 PM +0000 wrote: >Oh, David. How sheltered you are. You are lucky that the school board >allows you to make such decisions. I have not been allowed that >luxury. Many school boards around here, especially in the smaller >schools, want their hand in everything. A few years ago, a school board >member created his own technology committee because he was not happy >with what I was doing here. School boards that set policy and then get >out of the way are not the norm. (That is how it should be, but that is >not the way it is in most cases.) It must be a Maine thing....because nearly every school system I know about around here...keeps their hands off the IT stuff for the most part. Maine people are notorious for "hating" micromanagement. They don't tolerate it in business and as a result in education either. I had a "micro-manager" for a principal when I worked at another High School in the 90's.....she lasted about 2 years and then the school board gave her a vote of "no confidence" and canned her because the staff had enough of her "micromanagement". Sometimes in tough budget years my school board will nickel and dime things a bit, but they don't tell me what to buy....just how much I have to buy it with. There are a lot of schools in Maine using K12LTSP....most of them didn't say "I'd like to install Linux thin-clients in classrooms"....they said...."I'd like to put more computers in classrooms so kids can have more access to technology"....when asked how much it would cost....they said "for the most part...nothing as we'll be recycling some older machines and using some donations". And then they just did it. Things worked and everyone is happy. Someone needs to stand up to the school board and let them know that those are not their decisions to make.....get the taxpayers involved in your cause (I know it's easier said than done, but it works...I've done it on other issues) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 5 16:22:33 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:22:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <20041105042613.M21036@winonacotter.org> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <1099576457.11016.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <418AB91A.3080504@lth5.k12.il.us> <20041105042613.M21036@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1099671752.5495.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 22:34, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Here is another one. How about an integrated backup system with easy to use > GUI for backing up to HD's, Tapes, or network devices/servers. I'll once-again plug running backuppc (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/) on some machine with a big IDE drive as the most painless way to handle backups. > And also > incorporate a bare metal restore with GUI from Disk 1 of the boot set. You could do that by hand, given a backuppc server on the network but it is a little tricky. With some kind of convention for keeping the disk partition layout in a file within the backup it would be possible to automate it for a restore to identical hardware. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 5 17:37:39 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:37:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients not able to connect to server Message-ID: <20041105173739.12337.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> I really need help on this. I am at a school where the Linux lab has been down most of the term. Right now the thin clients cannot connect to the file server. I am using pretty-chooser, because I have 1 file/application server and 3 application servers. It is very important that I get this lab up and running, they are pushing to make it a windows lab. Help. This is information I sent previously. Here is a snippet of the rc.sysinit file. Hopefully it helps. Thank you for your help. Jennifer ################################################################################ # # Check the hostname # echo "127.0.0.1 localhost $"s03"tmp/hosts echo "${DEFAULT_SERVER} server" >>/tmp/hosts ################################################################################ # # Start the syslog daemon # pr_set 88 "Starting syslogd" SYSLOG_HOST=${SYSLOG_HOST:-${DEFAULT_SERVER}} reg_info SYSLOG_HOST echo "Starting syslogd" echo "*.* @${SYSLOG_HOST}" >/tmp/syslog.conf syslogd -m 60 -R ${SYSLOG_HOST} ################################################################################ # # Local app daemon stuff # if [ "${LOCAL_APPS}" = "Y" ]; then pr_set 90 "Starting Portmapper" echo "Starting portmapper" portmap # pr_set 91 "Starting xinetd" # echo "Starting xinetd" # xinetd if [ "${NIS_SERVER}" != "" ]; then pr_set 92"Setting NIS server" echo "Setting NIS Server" echo "ypserver ${NIS_SERVER}" >>/tmp/yp.conf reg_info NIS_SERVER fi pr_set 93 "Setting domainname" echo "Setting domainname" NIS_DOMAIN=${NIS_DOMAIN:-"ltsp"} reg_info NIS_DOMAIN echo domainname ${NIS_DOMAIN} domainname ${NIS_DOMAIN} pr_set 94 "Starting ypbind" echo "Starting ypbind" if [ -z "${NIS_SERVER}" ]; then ypbind -broadcast else ypbind -f /tmp/yp.conf fi echo "Starting sshd..." sshd fi ################################################################################ # # Run the additional rc files. # These are to make it easier to integrate additional functionality # into an ltsp system. Add your scripts to etc/rc.d, and put the name # of the script in the lts.conf file, and it will be executed. # pr_set 95 "Checking for rcfiles" for i in 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10; do RCVAR=RCFILE_${i} RCFILE=${!RCVAR} if [ -n "${RCFILE}" ]; then reg_info ${RCVAR} if [ -x /etc/rc.d/${RCFILE} ]; then /etc/rc.d/${RCFILE} else pr_fail echo echo " ERROR: RCFILE_${i} is setup in lts.conf, but" echo " it does not exist in the /etc/rc.d directory" echo echo -n "Press to continue " read CMD fi fi done ################################################################################ # # Setup the sound stuff. # reg_info SOUND if [ "${SOUND}" = "Y" ]; then pr_set 97 "Setting up sound" /etc/rc.sound fi ################################################################################ # # Setup a link in /tmp to give backward compatibility with # earlier versions of ltsp. # ln -s /etc/screen.d/startx /tmp/start_ws pr_set 100 "rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode" echo "rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode" echo sleep 1 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dmw at weiten.com Fri Nov 5 17:42:52 2004 From: dmw at weiten.com (Dean Weiten) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:42:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance issue and question Message-ID: <001701c4c35e$e033f4a0$0290a8c0@DEN> Hi there, St. Charles Catholic School in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, has been using K12LTSP for a couple of months now, and for the most part, we love it. At least, I love it, and the kids enjoy playing with it... and let's say everyone else is coping... The main complaint that I have, and can't seem to address, is the performance. Although the server is not top-of-the-line, it is a 2.6 GHz or so Intel Pentium with "hyperthreading" on a brand new Asus motherboard. Now, we did originally have a problem with dropped Ethernet packets (see my earlier post, as a reply to someone who had a similar problem), and fixing that problem (by disabling the APIC) helped network performance a lot. However, the big "performance" issue is something that I see even if I log onto the server - which leads me to believe that it is not network related. That is, it takes an awfully long time for any given selected program to load. In some cases, I can wait up to 5 or 10 seconds, just to load a shell (Xterm or whatever). You can sometimes click on an item, and the disk isn't accessed for 3 to 5 seconds. I had assumed that second copies would load faster - but that is not the case. I switched to IceWM to make things faster in general. However, IceWM doesn't have the rotating hourglass, and folks get very confused, thinking that nothing is happening. I am starting to think that it has something to do with Gnome, its menu structure, and the way it launches programs. Further, I see that IceWM has pulled in the Gnome menu tree, so I was thinking that it could also be to blame there. In other machines I have running Mandrake and IceWM, response is snappy for most applications, except the biggest ones like Mozilla and OpenOffice. I wonder what I can do to disable the loading of the Gnome menu tree into IceWM. Does anyone have any other ideas? Regards, Dean Weiten. From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Fri Nov 5 17:43:36 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:43:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: <20041105170027.3057C73849@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <418B7578.681.4C7E6AD@localhost> Hello, I realize this is off-topic, but it pertains to Redhat 9, which many people may have experience with. I'm trying to get mailman to work - I've downloaded the most recent rpm I could find, installed it and everything seems fine except I cannot get the mailmanctl daemon to start. I have googled high and low for this, found others with the exact same error, but no solution. What could someone give me a little help? what information would you need to help? Thank you kindly, Joseph From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 5 17:54:30 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:54:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance issue and question In-Reply-To: <001701c4c35e$e033f4a0$0290a8c0@DEN> References: <001701c4c35e$e033f4a0$0290a8c0@DEN> Message-ID: <418BBE56.9060703@paasda.org> Dean Weiten wrote: >However, the big "performance" issue is something that I see even if I log >onto the server - which leads me to believe that it is not network related. > >That is, it takes an awfully long time for any given selected program to >load. In some cases, I can wait up to 5 or 10 seconds, just to load a shell >(Xterm or whatever). You can sometimes click on an item, and the disk isn't >accessed for 3 to 5 seconds. > >I had assumed that second copies would load faster - but that is not the >case. > >I switched to IceWM to make things faster in general. However, IceWM >doesn't have the rotating hourglass, and folks get very confused, thinking >that nothing is happening. > >I am starting to think that it has something to do with Gnome, its menu >structure, and the way it launches programs. Further, I see that IceWM has >pulled in the Gnome menu tree, so I was thinking that it could also be to >blame there. > Dean, Have you run 'top' while concurrently trying to run those apps...to see what is happening to CPU usage and the like? 'top' then 'c' will sort by CPU usage that's how I found out my /tmp directory was flooded with a miriade of files and caused my current woes suggestion was clear /tmp with rm -rf /tmp/* ... check the mails from yesterday...I received a lot of responses for help. --Huck From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Fri Nov 5 17:55:22 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:55:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance issue and question In-Reply-To: <418BBE56.9060703@paasda.org> References: <001701c4c35e$e033f4a0$0290a8c0@DEN> <418BBE56.9060703@paasda.org> Message-ID: >Dean Weiten wrote: > >>However, the big "performance" issue is something that I see even if I log >>onto the server - which leads me to believe that it is not network related. Have you watched to see if it's running out of memory? if you run vmstat 5 that will show you your memory usage every 5 seconds. If you are seeing lots of swap you are running out of memory and that will definitely slow things down. Scott -- -- Scott Sherrill Technology Coordinator Hancock Public Schools Hancock, MI http://www.hancock.k12.mi.us From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 5 18:21:58 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:21:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance issue and question In-Reply-To: <001701c4c35e$e033f4a0$0290a8c0@DEN> References: <001701c4c35e$e033f4a0$0290a8c0@DEN> Message-ID: <1099678917.5495.33.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:42, Dean Weiten wrote: > The main complaint that I have, and can't seem to address, is the > performance. Although the server is not top-of-the-line, it is a 2.6 GHz or > so Intel Pentium with "hyperthreading" on a brand new Asus motherboard. Are you running the smp kernel to take advantage of hyperthreading? 'uname -a' should show a kernel version with smp in the name. > That is, it takes an awfully long time for any given selected program to > load. In some cases, I can wait up to 5 or 10 seconds, just to load a shell > (Xterm or whatever). You can sometimes click on an item, and the disk isn't > accessed for 3 to 5 seconds. What kind of hard drives? IDE's are slower, but it really only shows up in heavy multiuser use. 'hdparm -t -T /dev/hda' should show 40+MB/sec for the buffered disk reads. If it is a lot less you might have a cable problem. > I had assumed that second copies would load faster - but that is not the > case. How much RAM do you have? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Nov 5 18:27:57 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:27:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <418A686F.1070301@execulink.com> <418AA90C.5080808@sages.us> Message-ID: <418BC62D.1010800@cfl.rr.com> last few times I "stood up" to management didn't work out so well. Underemployed now for the last four years, know where I can find a job setting up K12LTSP for classrooms? I'm not a teacher, but I've been following LTSP and similar technologies for the last 3 years. Brian Chase networkr0 at cfl.rr.com David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 5:11 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>Oh, David. How sheltered you are. You are lucky that the school board >>allows you to make such decisions. I have not been allowed that >>luxury. Many school boards around here, especially in the smaller >>schools, want their hand in everything. A few years ago, a school board >>member created his own technology committee because he was not happy >>with what I was doing here. School boards that set policy and then get >>out of the way are not the norm. (That is how it should be, but that is >>not the way it is in most cases.) >> >> > >It must be a Maine thing....because nearly every school system I know >about around here...keeps their hands off the IT stuff for the most part. >Maine people are notorious for "hating" micromanagement. They don't >tolerate it in business and as a result in education either. I had a >"micro-manager" for a principal when I worked at another High School in >the 90's.....she lasted about 2 years and then the school board gave her a >vote of "no confidence" and canned her because the staff had enough of her >"micromanagement". Sometimes in tough budget years my school board will >nickel and dime things a bit, but they don't tell me what to buy....just >how much I have to buy it with. There are a lot of schools in Maine using >K12LTSP....most of them didn't say "I'd like to install Linux thin-clients >in classrooms"....they said...."I'd like to put more computers in >classrooms so kids can have more access to technology"....when asked how >much it would cost....they said "for the most part...nothing as we'll be >recycling some older machines and using some donations". And then they >just did it. Things worked and everyone is happy. Someone needs to stand >up to the school board and let them know that those are not their >decisions to make.....get the taxpayers involved in your cause (I know >it's easier said than done, but it works...I've done it on other issues) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Nov 5 18:37:14 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:37:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux Message-ID: <418BC85A.1040302@execulink.com> I would like to Thank everyone for responding so promptly and with some great information. It would seem I'm not the only one with a high interest or passion for Linux and LTSP. I would like to quote some of your messages including your name and school/business but I would need your permission. If you don't want your name used please email me and I will honour your request. I would like to know how teachers, students, staff etc are reacting to the cost saving but also it's usefulness in the classroom. Does it help with the curriculum etc? One LTSP server I built is now online in an elementary classroom (I forget the grade). Since it was just installed the other day I haven't heard how it's going but the teacher is very supportive of the project. I put Fedora Core on her personal computer over the summer so that she could learn and prepare for when the LTSP server came online. The next server will be in a secondary setting for Special Education kids. Thanks everyone! Jason From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Nov 5 19:09:03 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:09:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Mailing Lists Message-ID: <418BCFCF.4070905@execulink.com> I'm enjoying this forum very much. Does anyone know of a linux mailing list that stands out like this one? Thanks, Jason From nbs at sonic.net Fri Nov 5 19:16:05 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:16:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Mailing Lists In-Reply-To: <418BCFCF.4070905@execulink.com> References: <418BCFCF.4070905@execulink.com> Message-ID: <20041105191605.GB14896@sonic.net> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 02:09:03PM -0500, Jason wrote: > I'm enjoying this forum very much. Does anyone know of a linux mailing > list that stands out like this one? I've been enjoying schoolforge-discuss quite a bit the past few days. Getting this list and that one confused, sometimes, even! :) http://www.schoolforge.net/sfdiscuss.php -bill! From webmaster at vol.org Fri Nov 5 19:13:09 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:13:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance issue and question In-Reply-To: <001701c4c35e$e033f4a0$0290a8c0@DEN> References: <001701c4c35e$e033f4a0$0290a8c0@DEN> Message-ID: <1099681988.3341.27.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:42, Dean Weiten wrote: > That is, it takes an awfully long time for any given selected program to > load. In some cases, I can wait up to 5 or 10 seconds, just to load a shell > (Xterm or whatever). You can sometimes click on an item, and the disk isn't > accessed for 3 to 5 seconds. I had a similar issue with certain programs like xterm and emacs a couple of years ago. I somehow discovered that these programs were taking forever to start when xfs was not running. Starting xfs fixed the problem and I've never looked any deeper into it. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From haysja at sages.us Fri Nov 5 19:33:22 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:33:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance issue and question In-Reply-To: <1099678917.5495.33.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <001701c4c35e$e033f4a0$0290a8c0@DEN> <1099678917.5495.33.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <418BD582.5000105@sages.us> I echo Les' question --- How much RAM? Les Mikesell wrote: >How much RAM do you have? > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From sj at redpumas.com Fri Nov 5 19:48:49 2004 From: sj at redpumas.com (Steve James) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:48:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Mailing Lists In-Reply-To: <418BCFCF.4070905@execulink.com> References: <418BCFCF.4070905@execulink.com> Message-ID: <418BD921.1060107@redpumas.com> I follow this list and my local Linux users group, Bristol and Bath LUG in the UK . One guy introduced himself on Wednesday and had 16 responses in 24 hours and 20 in total. He was overwhelmed with support, advice and offers of help. http://www.bristol.lug.org.uk/ I wonder if there are any that are not like these? Cheers Steve Jason wrote: > I'm enjoying this forum very much. Does anyone know of a linux > mailing list that stands out like this one? > > Thanks, > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Nov 5 20:07:22 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:07:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <200411050256.iA52uWfw008975@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200411050256.iA52uWfw008975@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <418BDD7A.5050601@snet.net> Thomas E. Haynes wrote: > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jason >>Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:36 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? >> I haven't really followed this thread. I suppose folks have mentioned how a cross-platform education is more likely to turn out computer savvy students, not just Micro$laves. I know people have mentioned security, stability and finance as reasons. But how about: Just because Linux ROCKS! and is more fun! Also, of course, one of my reasons for using it in the classroom is that I am in fervent accord with the principles of collaboration, sharing and freedom that the OSS community usually embodies, as clearly exhibited on this list. I believe that those values are the ones we need to inculcate in our charges so that they can be productive, compassionate members of their communities. tony > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Fri Nov 5 22:30:02 2004 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:30:02 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <418972BD.5050205@criticalcontrol.com> < > <1099528508.3908.93.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <1099576457.11016.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <418AB91A.3080504@lth5.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <418BFEEA.8000200@tclcommunications.co.nz> A Server running SME with all its ease of use and reliablity with LTSP for its funtionallity SME Server-panels to configure LTSP clients , KDE apps , Koisk clients, Mosic control etc etc all running 64 bit OS on AMDs Quad opterons with 32G+ ram, 32bit clients With seamless video audio to and from thin clients on Gigabit+ networks AMD Opertron Servers, the new AMD (nic) clients (no lan support??) Now thats a *killer app* for *AMD* I'm sure *AMD* would sponsor that put the order in now one server for *Eric,* one for *ABE* not forgetting the development grants from AMD $$$ cheers From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Nov 5 22:55:20 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:55:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] hdparm reveals RAID controller error. Should I recompile kernel? In-Reply-To: <20041105190910.BFF73733F4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041105190910.BFF73733F4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099695320.17948.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:42, Dean Weiten wrote: snip ----------------------------------------> What kind of hard drives? IDE's are slower, but it really only shows up in heavy multiuser use. 'hdparm -t -T /dev/hda' should show 40+MB/sec for the buffered disk reads. If it is a lot less you might have a cable problem. > I had assumed that second copies would load faster - but that is not the > case. How much RAM do you have? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com This thread caught my attention so I ran hdparm on both of our K12 servers just to see what the results would be. On the Dell Poweredge I got the following. ------------------------------------------------------------- [root at isadore tmp]# hdparm -t -T /dev/sda2 /dev/sda2: Timing buffer-cache reads: 820 MB in 2.00 seconds = 410.06 MB/sec BLKFLSBUF failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in 3.05 seconds = 43.21 MB/sec BLKFLSBUF failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device -------------------------------------------------------------- A little googling lead me to the following regarding the RAID controller. ------------------------------------------------------------------ aacraid is included in kernels 2.6.x already. Mark Havercamp is the maintainer, with assistance from Mark Salyzyn. enable CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y and CONFIG_SCSI_AACRAID={y,m} ------------------------------------------------------------------ Would it be best to recompile the kernel with this or pass this to the kernel at run time? According to the following I will have to recompile either way. ------------------------------------------------------------------ /proc/config is only available in your kernel if you apply a patch and enable it using CONFIG_PROC_CONFIG when you compile. /proc/config is actually pretty handy -- it shows you the compile-time configuration settings for the kernel: $ head /proc/config CONFIG_X86=y CONFIG_UID16=y CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y ----------------------------------------------------------------- John From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 6 01:13:25 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:13:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. In-Reply-To: <418B7D77.8070702@paasda.org> References: <20041105130958.D70DC39DD@mprdmxin.myway.com> <418B7D77.8070702@paasda.org> Message-ID: <418C2535.30101@cmosnetworks.com> Make the /tmp partition small, say, 500MB. As for your existing one, I'd implement disk quotas. That's enabled by default in the kernel, so you should be good to go. --TP Huck wrote: > how to cap how much a directory can hold? > and I'm in full agreement on the /tmp as a partition to go along with > /home > > --Huck > > Rob Owens wrote: > >> If /tmp was a separate partition, you could simply reformat it. I >> guess that doesn't help you now, but maybe in the future it would be >> worthwhile to set it up this way. It would also help you keep a cap >> on how much crap can get stored in /tmp. >> >> -Rob >> >> >> --- On Thu 11/04, Christopher K. Johnson < ckjohnson at gwi.net > wrote: >> From: Christopher K. Johnson [mailto: ckjohnson at gwi.net] >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:57:00 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] cpu hog woes maybe figured.. >> >> Huck wrote:

> ie.. ...
> dummie1a01bOJkw
> >> dummie1a01bOJkx
> dummie1a01bOJky
> ...
> and so on and so >> forth...
>
> when I attempt to 'rm dummie*' I get a bash error >> about the argument
> list being too long...

How does 'rm >> dummie*w' work? then substitute x, y, ...

This could be done >> any number of other ways, but that one is easy and
will probably >> work.

Chris

-- >>
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>> >> _______________________________________________ >> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 6 01:25:57 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:25:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <20041105133417.7285F39CC@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20041105133417.7285F39CC@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <418C2825.7070901@cmosnetworks.com> This goes directly to something that I've said before. In order to convince idiotic school boards like that one, you have to make them *look bad* to someone that they think matters. You can't do it yourself; they'll just label you a troublemaker and fire you. Rather, you get parents to do it. If you're not in a rich school district, it's easier. If the Board members don't feel like they're in *imminent threat* of very bad PR to parents, then they'll likely take your five pound pile of paper and have it become five pounds of shredded recycle-bin fodder in short order, if they even bother to shred it. What that means is convincing some parents to come with you to the school board meeting and bringing this up. If you can get a local news reporter, so much the better. Your position has to be that of "a teacher simply trying to give my kids access to top-notch technology without us losing our shirts." Remember that; you've got to come off like Mr. Nice Guy Teacher-Type Who Cares Only About His Wonderful Kids; newspapers and parents like that. If you can get other teachers to come with you, that's good, but I've discovered that parents are more effective. --TP Rob Owens wrote: >If the school board wants to be directly involved in the IT decisions, make them sorry. Print out every email response you have gotten on this list. Print out every testimonial you can find on the internet. Print out every "why linux is better" article you can find. Top it off with a concise and well-written recommendation from yourself. Drop this 5 pound pile of paper on their table and say "this is why we should use linux". Of course they won't read it all. > >If they do read it all, they will quite likely be convinced that linux is the way to go. If they don't read it, they would be taking a big risk by saying no to linux--they have a pile of documentation in front of them stating why linux is better, so they'd better be ready to produce an equally-sized pile of documentation countering your claims if they want to deny your request and still appear like they know what they are doing. Imagine if the taxpayers found out... > >-Rob > > > --- On Fri 11/05, Martin Woolley < sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk > wrote: >From: Martin Woolley [mailto: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk] >To: k12osn at redhat.com, tuxnician at execulink.com >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:32:53 +0000 >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Why Linux? > >On Thursday 04 Nov 2004 5:35 pm, Jason wrote:
> Hi Everyone.
>

> I was wondering if anyone has some information, suggestions,
> presentations etc of the benefits of Linux/LTSP in the educational area.
> I have some websites bookmarked but I'm looking for more personal
> experience from a technician, teacher etc point of view.

You can find a discussion of our experiences here
http://www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/LinuxProject
and how we see things going here
http://www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/DepartmentalPlans
and here is some stuff on why the original decision to move to Linux was
taken; this was before I came on the scene (I'm the techie)
http://www.openhgs.org/linuxmig.htm
--
Regards
Martin Woolley
> From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Nov 6 01:27:28 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:27:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] apt issue Message-ID: <418C2880.3040001@netscape.net> Hi, When I run "apt" I get a number of "404" for certain update sites, so I tried to run apt-get mirror-select to remove the bad sites but I get an error [root at krypton root]# apt-get mirror-select E: Invalid operation mirror-select Any ideas ??? thks norbert From tuxnician at execulink.com Sat Nov 6 02:48:50 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:48:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418C2825.7070901@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20041105133417.7285F39CC@mprdmxin.myway.com> <418C2825.7070901@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <418C3B92.6020108@execulink.com> I guess I have somewhat of an advantage. I'm an employee and a parent :) My one child goes to one of the schools in our board. As a parent I can approach the board with a white paper documenting the benefits of using Linux and how well it has worked in out board before. Thrown in how MS is throwing some curves and not running as smoothly as everyone expected. Weird though. Hire some consultants and techs but don't listen to their suggestions. Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > This goes directly to something that I've said before. In order to > convince idiotic school boards like that one, you have to make them > *look bad* to someone that they think matters. You can't do it > yourself; they'll just label you a troublemaker and fire you. Rather, > you get parents to do it. If you're not in a rich school district, it's > easier. > > If the Board members don't feel like they're in *imminent threat* of > very bad PR to parents, then they'll likely take your five pound pile of > paper and have it become five pounds of shredded recycle-bin fodder in > short order, if they even bother to shred it. What that means is > convincing some parents to come with you to the school board meeting and > bringing this up. If you can get a local news reporter, so much the > better. Your position has to be that of "a teacher simply trying to > give my kids access to top-notch technology without us losing our > shirts." Remember that; you've got to come off like Mr. Nice Guy > Teacher-Type Who Cares Only About His Wonderful Kids; newspapers and > parents like that. If you can get other teachers to come with you, > that's good, but I've discovered that parents are more effective. > From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Nov 6 03:16:07 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:16:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Why Linux? In-Reply-To: <418C3B92.6020108@execulink.com> References: <20041105133417.7285F39CC@mprdmxin.myway.com> <418C2825.7070901@cmosnetworks.com> <418C3B92.6020108@execulink.com> Message-ID: <418C41F7.2080307@netscape.net> tuxnician at execulink.com wrote: > I guess I have somewhat of an advantage. I'm an employee and a parent > :) My one child goes to one of the schools in our board. > > As a parent I can approach the board with a white paper documenting > the benefits of using Linux and how well it has worked in out board > before. Thrown in how MS is throwing some curves and not running as > smoothly as everyone expected. > > Weird though. Hire some consultants and techs but don't listen to > their suggestions. > > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> This goes directly to something that I've said before. In order to >> convince idiotic school boards like that one, you have to make them >> *look bad* to someone that they think matters. You can't do it >> yourself; they'll just label you a troublemaker and fire you. >> Rather, you get parents to do it. If you're not in a rich school >> district, it's easier. >> >> If the Board members don't feel like they're in *imminent threat* of >> very bad PR to parents, then they'll likely take your five pound pile >> of paper and have it become five pounds of shredded recycle-bin >> fodder in short order, if they even bother to shred it. What that >> means is convincing some parents to come with you to the school board >> meeting and bringing this up. If you can get a local news reporter, >> so much the better. Your position has to be that of "a teacher >> simply trying to give my kids access to top-notch technology without >> us losing our shirts." Remember that; you've got to come off like >> Mr. Nice Guy Teacher-Type Who Cares Only About His Wonderful Kids; >> newspapers and parents like that. If you can get other teachers to >> come with you, that's good, but I've discovered that parents are more >> effective. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see >> Hi, Well just to make the case of how STUPID & obstinant the boards can get, read on...... In our school board we have had an extremely successful linux lab running for the past 14 months, but the board has thus far refused to support the linux lab because, amongst other reasons, they will not support another Operating System ! However they are now offering Sun Servers and "thin-clients" to the schools preloaded with ONLY Mozilla as an alternative. hmmm am I missing something here ? :-D norbert From dmw at weiten.com Sat Nov 6 04:52:54 2004 From: dmw at weiten.com (Dean Weiten) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:52:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Performance issue and question - more information on server Message-ID: <006a01c4c3bc$7ab6ba00$0290a8c0@DEN> Folks have repeatedly asked how much RAM is in the server. Sorry, but I don't monitor the mailing list constantly... We have two servers, identical hardware, sharing the outside backbone. They both have the same symptoms. RAM is 2 Gb HDD is Western Digital WD400JB-00FMA0 (according to dmesg) >> One possible concern is that /home is mounted through NFS (100Base switched on the outside backbone), although of course /root is always local, and the problem occurs just as badly for root... >> I used "top" to see if I am ever into swap, and I never am even close. I haven't tried running "top" while the program is launching to diagnose what is happening, but I will do so when I get a chance. >> Some time ago, I tried both non-SMP and SMP kernels, and decided they made no difference I could see. Right now it is 2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp, which is SMP and therefore uses "hyperthreading". >> I had a look at /tmp and saw lots of files in there. It is a dangerous game to delete them, but it's late at night on a Friday, so I held my nose and deleted them. I won't have a chance to try to see if it makes any difference, but perhaps tomorrow when I am down at the school... I am a volunteer, not an employee, so I work there when I get time and am close by. I'll check out some of the other ideas in the coming week. Dean. From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Nov 6 06:10:08 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:10:08 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] launch an application via php script? Message-ID: <418C6AC0.7090608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi, This is for the PHP gurus... Is there a way to launch an application (eg: 'gimp') via a php script? I'm thinking of an intranet page for Preppies (kindergarten) with icons linked to flash games on external sites but also icons linked to internal applications. So I would need something like: TUX PAINT ICON and then I've tried exec() and shell_exec() without success. Any ideas? Thanks, Debbie ps - is this considered 'off topic'? -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From tuxnician at execulink.com Sat Nov 6 17:28:06 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:28:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] The Truth about Linux Message-ID: <418D09A6.3050309@execulink.com> Novell has answered back to Microsoft's 'Linux Faq' page with their own: http://www.novell.com/linux/truth/?sourceidint=homepage_redbox An excellent source to help convince Management to switch to Linux. Jason From lsrpm at mts.net Sat Nov 6 18:59:46 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:59:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Performance issue and question - more information on server In-Reply-To: <006a01c4c3bc$7ab6ba00$0290a8c0@DEN> References: <006a01c4c3bc$7ab6ba00$0290a8c0@DEN> Message-ID: <418D1F22.8010609@mts.net> Dean Weiten wrote: >Folks have repeatedly asked how much RAM is in the server. Sorry, but I >don't monitor the mailing list constantly... > >We have two servers, identical hardware, sharing the outside backbone. They >both have the same symptoms. > > RAM is 2 Gb > > HDD is Western Digital WD400JB-00FMA0 (according to dmesg) > > > one big problem could be the hard drive. Even EIDE is going to be slower accessing files than scsi. Any number of users over 5-10 and you will notice serious problems with performance. >>>One possible concern is that /home is mounted through NFS (100Base >>> >>> >switched on the outside backbone), although of course /root is always local, >and the problem occurs just as badly for root... > > > >>>I used "top" to see if I am ever into swap, and I never am even close. I >>> >>> >haven't tried running "top" while the program is launching to diagnose what >is happening, but I will do so when I get a chance. > > > >>>Some time ago, I tried both non-SMP and SMP kernels, and decided they >>> >>> >made no difference I could see. Right now it is 2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp, >which is SMP and therefore uses "hyperthreading". > > > >>>I had a look at /tmp and saw lots of files in there. It is a dangerous >>> >>> >game to delete them, but it's late at night on a Friday, so I held my nose >and deleted them. I won't have a chance to try to see if it makes any >difference, but perhaps tomorrow when I am down at the school... > > >I am a volunteer, not an employee, so I work there when I get time and am >close by. I'll check out some of the other ideas in the coming week. > >Dean. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Sat Nov 6 19:16:32 2004 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:16:32 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless boot from hard disk Message-ID: <418D2310.4060705@edu.vantaa.fi> Tried to find information from archives, more questions than answers. Can I do it with the wireless_ltsp image and the howto boot from hard disk. I suppose not. My skills are not good enough to put these together. I someone has done it, please give me a hint. (Thinkpad 560's + 3com wwired pcmcia nic's; without floppy. That's why the information is so important) yours, mikkoj From tuxnician at execulink.com Sat Nov 6 20:02:43 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:02:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] School-Discuss Message-ID: <418D2DE3.6080708@execulink.com> I'm on the Sourceforge School Discussion List and they talk about Open Source in schools. I found this post and thought I would forward it here in case anyone is interested in helping this person out (all of us in the end). > Hi everyone, > > I am about to embark on my dissertation research data-collection. For this, I am looking for K-12 educators who are involved in the use, development of and/or advocacy of free and open-source software. If you fit this description, and would be interested in sharing your experiences, please contact me. If you don't seem to fit this description, do you know anyone who does? Please let me know, or feel free to pass on this message to others. I could really use everyone's help on this. Please please. :-) > > Participation will be done electronically, via email and online discussion boards. Possibly other methods depending on the group that is interested. There is not a lot of commitment (a few hours I am thinking), but I would certainly love to hear of your experiences. > > I am also particularly interested in activities that follow closely to the open source movement such as open-publishing (e.g., blogging) and open-content (e.g., learning object repositories). Collectively, I am just referring to this as the open movement, and hoping to find participants who are involved in these areas in the K-12 system. > > *Purpose:* The purpose of this study is to gain insight into the adoption practices of technological innovation by teachers, and in doing so, develop theory which relates to the activities and beliefs of participants in relation to adoption activities. Emphasis will be placed on 'open' forms of collaborative practice. > > *Some of my guiding questions include:* > 1) What are the characteristics of the open (source) movement that encourage and motivate members to participate in open (source) communities? > 2) Does participation in open (source) communities encourage and/or support the development and adoption of (technological) innovation by teachers? If so, in what ways? > 3) What perceived value is gained through the membership and participation in open (source) communities? > 4) What educational activities and experiences result from a participant?s membership in an open (source) community? > 5) Are there common values and beliefs held by members of open source communities, and if so, what are they? > > Please feel free to circulate, trackback, comment, pass on, etc. Would love to hear from you! > > Alec Couros > IT Coordinator - University of Regina > http://www.educationaltechnology.ca/couros > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Nov 6 20:21:17 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:21:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Curriculum Problems (Please Help Me...) Message-ID: <418D323D.2050802@inlandlakes.org> I have a big request. I know you folks are all busy, but any help would be greatly appreciated. Would the folks that have LTSP in use be willing to send me their district's curriculum plan, or technology plan, or some documentation regarding how thin clients fit into your curriculum? Several teachers in my district recently dug up a curriculum plan from 1996 (I kid you not), which is long before my time at the district, which quotes specific "tinker toy" applications that are no longer able to be used in the classrooms. This document is now the "Holy Grail" and has been used to file multiple grievances, etc, regarding the use of linux and thin clients. Mind you, the current principal has never even seen this document before. Anyway, I would like some examples of the *proper* way technology is described in schools using LTSP, so that this old document looks as silly as it is. If you have time, could you also let me know how you are currently addressing the following issues in your district: 1) Printing. Do you have printers connected to the thin clients in classrooms? Are these Lasers or Inkjets. If laser, how is the problem of "no color" addressed? 2) Scanning. How does a classroom teacher scan things? Are scanners available in your classrooms? Some of them? All of them? If in a thin client environment, how are you doing that? 3) Digital cameras (with USB connections, floppy drives, or flash cards and readers). How do your teachers get the pictures into the computer? *D0* your teachers get photos from cameras into the computers? 4) Saving files. How many folks are using remote floppies? USB keydrives? Anything else? How do you manage the transportation of files to and from home? 5) Elementary "Edutainment" games. (NOTE: I personally think many of these games are a farce... but we're not talking about my opinions unfortunately) These are especially desired in the elementary. How do you handle requests like these? If the answer is some sort of emulation, is it stable? 6) Please briefly explain how a teacher takes/submits grades to the office. Do they magically get rosters of students into a program, or do they have to type the student's names in? When the end of a marking period comes, do they have to copy the grades from one program into another, or are the grades automatically exported? 7) Sound. Does sound on websites (especially flash) work on thin clients? How about things like quicktime streaming media, or windows media player stuff? 8) Video streaming. Videos via streaming media from our ISD is going to be the only way to get videos for classrooms in a few years, and I need to know how to manage that. 9) Training. How do you train your staff? Mandatory paid training? Voluntary after school training? Where? In a lab of thin clients? 10) Are your thin clients for staff use only? Student use only? In a lab environment, or in "mini-labs" in the classrooms? I know that's a lot of questions, but I'm looking for official backing from other schools that will reiterate the things I'm saying in my district. Thank you VERY much for answering any of the above either on or off list. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Nov 7 01:45:44 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:45:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] NX client for LTSP WORKING! In-Reply-To: <1099502809.3908.5.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099427093.9211.4.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <1099434835.9211.23.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <1099435010.9211.27.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <4188FE58.8020304@criticalcontrol.com> <1099502809.3908.5.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <418D7E48.1040809@magic.fr> Does NXserver make XDMCP chooser obsolete in any way? We've spent the better part of the day trying to get XDMCP to play nice with NFS on two LTSP 4.1 machines ... my current single dual Xeon machine on the network can't handle the load so we're looking to increase servers via xdmcp... but if NX can reduce network load...? I'm at a loss and I'm beginning to dread the cries, "The computers are too slow!" I tried to write up what we've done here: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/RecentEdits NFS totally bombed. We had mounted the /home directory via NFS but logging in via the xdmchooser left us without access to the user files and many apps, in ICEwm, were borked. Please advise thank you Dennis Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 08:50 -0700, Pete wrote: > >>Gideon Romm wrote: >> >> >>>PS: Thanks to Pete at critical control for his immediate feedback >>> >>>On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:33, Gideon Romm wrote: >>> >>> >>>>/Since I'm already on version 0.2 (had to make a minor fix to make it >>>>work the first time. oops), I thought it better to provide the link >>>>to the list of files: >>>>// >>>>_https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110959_ >>>> >>>>It is the package called NX_LTSP. Grab the latest one (work in >>>>progress)... >>>> >>>>-Gideon >>>>/ >>> >>Got it working :-) >>Nice work Gideon !! >> >>Maybe this can become part of the default K12LTSP distro... >> > > > This is one of the items on the agenda for this weekend's LTSP > developer conference ;-) > > -Eric > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From clay at bridgeportisd.net Sun Nov 7 02:01:48 2004 From: clay at bridgeportisd.net (Walker, Clay) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:01:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite Message-ID: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A45F3A94@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> Gee, all sorts of ideas... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Frederik Dannemare Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:09 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite On Monday 01 November 2004 20:42, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > One of the many hats I wear at my school is that of Webmaster. > In the past I've always hand-coded the site in a text-editor, and that > works well for me. But, I'd like to allow my teachers and student > organizations to create and maintain their own Web pages. > Since most of them don't have any idea how to code in HTML, I'm > looking for something that will allow them to easily create and > maintain their own pages with little or no access to the actual code. > I've looked at PHPWebsite, but I can't seem to make it work (I don't > know how to get the MySQL database working properly). Can anyone here > recommend something quick, clean and easy? Or, alternately can > someone with experience offer some suggestions as to how to get > PHPWebsite to play nice? It looks like a fine solution, but my own > ignorance is holding me back. One again I await your great wisdom. I can recommend www.cmsimple.dk which is a very basic cms, but this also makes it extremely easy to work with for non-IT people. It has a WYSIWYG editor that works in Mozilla (and IE). It requires no sql backend. -- Frederik Dannemare _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Nov 7 02:00:39 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:00:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Performance issue and question - more information on server In-Reply-To: <418D1F22.8010609@mts.net> References: <006a01c4c3bc$7ab6ba00$0290a8c0@DEN> <418D1F22.8010609@mts.net> Message-ID: <418D81C7.9000406@cmosnetworks.com> Liam Marshall wrote: > Dean Weiten wrote: > >> Folks have repeatedly asked how much RAM is in the server. Sorry, but I >> don't monitor the mailing list constantly... >> >> We have two servers, identical hardware, sharing the outside >> backbone. They >> both have the same symptoms. >> >> RAM is 2 Gb >> >> HDD is Western Digital WD400JB-00FMA0 (according to dmesg) >> >> >> > one big problem could be the hard drive. Even EIDE is going to be > slower accessing files than scsi. Any number of users over 5-10 and > you will notice serious problems with performance. > My experience has been quite different. Granted that SCSI is faster, and true hardware-based SCSI RAID 5 is yet better, but my server runs two EIDE disks and responds just fine for 25 users running OO.o, Mozilla, and the GIMP. I would still check out memory usage stats. Program loads should be very quick after the first time someone runs it, due to the cache. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Nov 7 03:16:30 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:16:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix cluster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <418D938E.6010303@magic.fr> Using XDMCP chooser, though rarely discussed, stands to be a much better solution for the low-budget folks... you can set up mutltiple servers on the same network and have users access their folders via NFS. Now it sounds great but FC2 /K12 4.1 has problems with XDM/KDM and GDM. Take a look at the docs here and give it a shot... you might have more luck on a slim budget with XDMCP than with mosix, thouhgh YMMV. best of luck and report back! dennis ck out http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/RecentEdits Steve Hargadon wrote: > I have some questions about the OpenMosix setup on the mesd.k12 site. > Since clustering would seem to hold a lot of promise for those on > limited budgets, I thought I'd post my questions to the list. > > I set it up, and it seems to be working. I've had a couple of funny > things happen, but I don't know if they are related to the OM setup, > or are just happening. (Sometimes I've launched a program, and it > just seems to not launch; I'm also getting some kind of OpenOffice > error from one of the two workstations I set up.) > > Question 1: Is anyone else using this setup and is it working? (The > README says it is still experiemental.) > > Question 2: I had to set it up with K12LTSP 4.0.1, since there seems > to be some kind of problem with the OM kernel and Fedora Core 2. > Anyone else experienced that? > > Question 3: Is there any good documentation on this kind of an > OpenMosix setup with LTSP, where the workstations themselves provide > processor/memory? Does this kind of a cluster have a name? > > Question 4: If this really allows the local processors to handle the > load when you set them to do so, then is this a shortcut to local > processing when you have powerful client machines? > > Question 5: It would seem that the clustering would allow the running > of many more processes, but may not necessarily speed anything up--is > that accurate? What are the primary gains from clustering in an LTSP > environment? Where does it make sense to use? > > Hope this thread proves useful, > > Steve > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Sun Nov 7 03:18:57 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:18:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: NX client for LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <1099427093.9211.4.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <1099434835.9211.23.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> <1099435010.9211.27.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Message-ID: <1099797537.22562.1.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Make sure you download v0.3 (v.0.1 has a bug). Do you have 0.3? -Gideon On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 06:57, Matteo Campagnolo wrote: > Gideon Romm wrote: > > PS: Thanks to Pete at critical control for his immediate feedback > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:33, Gideon Romm wrote: > > > >> /Since I'm already on version 0.2 (had to make a minor fix to make it > >> work the first time. oops), I thought it better to provide the link > >> to the list of files: > >> // > >> _https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110959_ > >> > >> It is the package called NX_LTSP. Grab the latest one (work in > >> progress)... > >> > >> -Gideon > >> > >> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:24, Gideon Romm wrote: / > >> > >>> / I packaged up what I did to get NX working on LTSP as best I can > >>> for a version 0.1, and I placed it on our SourceForge site for > >>> download, if anyone is interested: > >>> > >>> _http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/NX_LTSP_0.1.tgz?download_ > >>> > >>> The usual caveats of OSS apply, but I would be really interested in > >>> feedback. Especially from others who have succeeded in this as well, > >>> and how this compares with their solutions. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> -Gideon/ > >>> > >>>-- > >>>-------------------------------------------------------- > >>>Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > >>> > >>>Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > >>>134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > >>>New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > >>> > >>> www.symbio-technologies.com > >>> www.thesymbiont.com > >>> > >>-- > >>-------------------------------------------------------- > >>Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > >> > >>Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > >>134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > >>New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > >> > >> www.symbio-technologies.com > >> www.thesymbiont.com > >> > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > > > www.symbio-technologies.com > > www.thesymbiont.com > > > > > > > > // > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > I've just installed this package but I've some trouble. After the login > with nxclient I can see the NoMachine logo for few seconds and then I > get a blank screen with a simple X cursor. The authentication works, > I've checked twice the log on the server which says that the public key > has been accepted, ecc... What could be the problem? Do I miss > something? Do I have to pass some extra arguments in my lts.conf. > > [ws251] > XSERVER = vesa > X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 > SCREEN_01 = startnx > X_HORZSYNC = 30.0-70.0 > X_VERTREFRESH = 56.0-61.0 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Nov 7 03:26:54 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:26:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wish list In-Reply-To: <1099513820.21393.57.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> References: <1099504790.3908.38.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <418921CD.60205@sages.us> <1099513820.21393.57.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Message-ID: <418D95FE.9080207@magic.fr> Could you write up what you've done here: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ So that we can all benefit from your hardwork! :) dennis Gideon Romm wrote: > If anyone's interested in wireless, we've been very successful with > simply using an access point and a bridge connected to the thin client > (or cluster of thin clients connected by a cheap switch). A wireless > bridge is easy to configure and easy to swap out when the next latest > and greatest wireless standard comes out. It is about as cheap as a > wireless card and there's no muss no fuss. From the thin client's point > of view, nothing's changed, and it PXE/Etherboots as usual. The > wireless link is transparent. You can also get more bang-for-your-buck > if rather than using 1 bridge per thin client, you use 1 bridge per > cluster of thin clients connected by a switch. You can make wireless > thin client islands and divide the cost of the bridge by the number of > workstations. > > Using NX as the client connection makes a lot of sense with wireless, > but that's an application server choice. :) > > -Gideon > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 14:54, Jim McQuillan wrote: > >>/On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Jim Hays wrote: >> >>> Since you titled this "Wish List", here goes: It's Brainstorming >>> Time............. >>> >>> With the cost of the USB "Drives" what they are today, I would like to see >>> support for "local" USB drives built in. It would be nice if this were >>> something that could be turned on or off easily (GUI?) and could be managed on >>> a per client basis. I have not tried this and it may be very easy or very >>> difficult. >>> Any possibilty to have wireless access to K12LTSP? That would be >>> interesting...... A "wireless lab" of laptops with no hard drives and >>> "bootable NICs" running K12LTSP from a server in the cart. This one would >>> have some commercial value as well. >> >>I've not seen a wireless card that supports PXE or Etherboot booting. >>So, you'd still need some way of loading the kernel and initrd. Floppy, >>cdrom or USB drive most likely would do it. >> >>We do have a ltsp-wireless package, but it's really out of date. >> >>Jim McQuillan >>jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> >>> > This weekend I'm going to a LTSP developer's conference in Maine. >>> > I have Friday -> Monday carved out for K12LTSP development. >>> > While I have some dedicated time, what do you guys & gals want me to work >>> > on? >>> > >>> > I have two objectives: >>> > >>> > 1) Immediate needs. What changes do you want to see in K12LTSP 4.2.0? >>> > (keeping in mind I'd like to have this finished in the next two >>> > weeks ;-) >>> > 2) Start work on the next major version. What are the major issues >>> > issues/enhancements that you would like to see in the next 6-12 >>> > months? >>> > >>> > Since I will be traveling, I won't have the hardware necessary >>> > to finish K12LTSP 3.2.0. It is perfectly fine to request this as >>> > a priority, but it won't get done this weekend ;-) >>> > >>> > >>> > To kick things off, here is the list of topics that have been >>> > suggested for the LTSP developer's conference: >>> > >>> > * LDAP Authentication possibly w/Kerberos? >>> > * Local display manager >>> > * Local App Building/Packaging >>> > * Local app invocation >>> > * Local drive support (usb devices, floppy, cdrom) >>> > * Desktop shadowing (VNC, x11vnc, x110rbserver) >>> > * Security audit of the ltsp tree, file perms, ownership, tcpwrappers >>> > * Low bandwidth (NX, FreeNX) >>> > * Other non-x86 architectures for LTSP thin clients >>> > (PPC,Sparc,StrongArm) >>> > * Using SSH to tunnel the X traffic >>> > >>> > >>> > -Eric >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > K12OSN mailing list >>> > K12OSN at redhat.com >>> > //_https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn_ >>> > For more info see <_http://www.k12os.org_> >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> _https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn_ >>> For more info see <_http://www.k12os.org_> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>_https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn_ >>For more info see <_http://www.k12os.org_>/ >> > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From fhkms at adelphia.net Sun Nov 7 11:53:25 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 6:53:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1.1 Message-ID: <20041107115325.KJE9501.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I recently acquired the 4.1.1 cd set and have installed the desktop version on a spare computer I had lying around. I like the looks of it and would like to upgrade my school server that is currently running 4.0.1, but am concerned that I'll might have to start all over again with assigning user names to my students and other faculty. Can anyone verify this? I realize that it has probably been discussed already, sorry about that. Also, I noticed that Eric is working on another new version. Should I just wait at this point until another version k12ltsp based on Fedora Core 3 is released? Thanks all! From robowens at myway.com Sun Nov 7 14:32:28 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:32:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? Message-ID: <20041107143228.32BDA39C7@mprdmxin.myway.com> This topic has been hit upon in some other threads, but I thought it was worthy of it's own. Can anybody relate their experiences with using a newer desktop machine as their server? For instance, something like a 2.4 GHz single processor with IDE hard drives. How many clients can run on such a machine, using apps like OpenOffice, Mozilla, and possibly the GIMP? The school in my town has a computer in each classroom that is for the teacher to use. These are a year or two old. I think it would be great to hook a bunch of thin clients to it so that the kids can get in on the action, but I'd like to know what to expect performance-wise before I approach the school about this. -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Nov 7 15:43:42 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:43:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? In-Reply-To: <20041107143228.32BDA39C7@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20041107143228.32BDA39C7@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <418E42AE.4010804@netscape.net> robowens at myway.com wrote: >This topic has been hit upon in some other threads, but I thought it was worthy of it's own. > >Can anybody relate their experiences with using a newer desktop machine as their server? For instance, something like a 2.4 GHz single processor with IDE hard drives. How many clients can run on such a machine, using apps like OpenOffice, Mozilla, and possibly the GIMP? > >The school in my town has a computer in each classroom that is for the teacher to use. These are a year or two old. I think it would be great to hook a bunch of thin clients to it so that the kids can get in on the action, but I'd like to know what to expect performance-wise before I approach the school about this. > >-Rob > >_______________________________________________ >No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi Rob, Maybe you're asking the wrong question ...... but here goes anyway; P-IV 2.4 Ghz with 1.5 Gb mem., 40 GB hD can handle 15 to 20 clients but that depends on the applications. Now if the "teacher" computers can be clustered, this willl depend on distance, then 5 such machines could handle 100 clients. The point is we need more info on the layout, use and detailed spec on the computers. good luck norbert From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Nov 7 16:18:07 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:18:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Curriculum Problems (Please Help Me...) In-Reply-To: <418D323D.2050802@inlandlakes.org> References: <418D323D.2050802@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <418E4ABF.7000101@magic.fr> Many of these questions will be answered in part here: http://www.theospi.org/ Training teachers is a big problemo...especially older teachers will chafe at the use of technology... the big issues are classroom management... if you don't have enough machines to go around then you have serious logistics problems as students are not all doing the same thing... which lets in way too many variables for trouble... that, and students have very different skill sets...some can get going quickly others need lots of hand holding... another variable that a less than skilled teacher will freak over... I run my English classroom on a K12LTSP network... and I know that what I'm doing is not easy ... teachers less enthused and skilled than I will rebel. Humans are the weakest link in the chain of progress... good luck with your search! Dennis Shawn Powers wrote: > I have a big request. I know you folks are all busy, but any help would > be greatly appreciated. > > Would the folks that have LTSP in use be willing to send me their > district's curriculum plan, or technology plan, or some documentation > regarding how thin clients fit into your curriculum? > > Several teachers in my district recently dug up a curriculum plan from > 1996 (I kid you not), which is long before my time at the district, > which quotes specific "tinker toy" applications that are no longer able > to be used in the classrooms. This document is now the "Holy Grail" and > has been used to file multiple grievances, etc, regarding the use of > linux and thin clients. > > Mind you, the current principal has never even seen this document > before. Anyway, I would like some examples of the *proper* way > technology is described in schools using LTSP, so that this old document > looks as silly as it is. > > If you have time, could you also let me know how you are currently > addressing the following issues in your district: > > 1) Printing. Do you have printers connected to the thin clients in > classrooms? Are these Lasers or Inkjets. If laser, how is the problem > of "no color" addressed? > > 2) Scanning. How does a classroom teacher scan things? Are scanners > available in your classrooms? Some of them? All of them? If in a thin > client environment, how are you doing that? > > 3) Digital cameras (with USB connections, floppy drives, or flash cards > and readers). How do your teachers get the pictures into the computer? > *D0* your teachers get photos from cameras into the computers? > > 4) Saving files. How many folks are using remote floppies? USB > keydrives? Anything else? How do you manage the transportation of > files to and from home? > > 5) Elementary "Edutainment" games. (NOTE: I personally think many of > these games are a farce... but we're not talking about my opinions > unfortunately) These are especially desired in the elementary. How do > you handle requests like these? If the answer is some sort of > emulation, is it stable? > > 6) Please briefly explain how a teacher takes/submits grades to the > office. Do they magically get rosters of students into a program, or do > they have to type the student's names in? When the end of a marking > period comes, do they have to copy the grades from one program into > another, or are the grades automatically exported? > > 7) Sound. Does sound on websites (especially flash) work on thin > clients? How about things like quicktime streaming media, or windows > media player stuff? > > 8) Video streaming. Videos via streaming media from our ISD is going to > be the only way to get videos for classrooms in a few years, and I need > to know how to manage that. > > 9) Training. How do you train your staff? Mandatory paid training? > Voluntary after school training? Where? In a lab of thin clients? > > 10) Are your thin clients for staff use only? Student use only? In a > lab environment, or in "mini-labs" in the classrooms? > > > I know that's a lot of questions, but I'm looking for official backing > from other schools that will reiterate the things I'm saying in my > district. Thank you VERY much for answering any of the above either on > or off list. > > -Shawn > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Nov 7 16:12:07 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:12:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? In-Reply-To: <418E42AE.4010804@netscape.net> References: <20041107143228.32BDA39C7@mprdmxin.myway.com> <418E42AE.4010804@netscape.net> Message-ID: <418E4957.3020707@magic.fr> We have the same goals! Go with ICEWM, stay away from Moz and don't let more than a few people use OO at any one time. There are some docs on getting multiple servers on the same network using XDMCP chooser and NFSing the home directories but the docs are kind of old and thin. Getting low-end machines to act as servers is cool but the (our) reality is hours of fidgeting with small successes... have a look here: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/RecentEdits The real bugaboo is getting NFS to play nice... I tried to doc the process as we worked through K12 4.1 best Dennis norbert wrote: > robowens at myway.com wrote: > >> This topic has been hit upon in some other threads, but I thought it >> was worthy of it's own. >> Can anybody relate their experiences with using a newer desktop >> machine as their server? For instance, something like a 2.4 GHz >> single processor with IDE hard drives. How many clients can run on >> such a machine, using apps like OpenOffice, Mozilla, and possibly the >> GIMP? >> >> The school in my town has a computer in each classroom that is for the >> teacher to use. These are a year or two old. I think it would be >> great to hook a bunch of thin clients to it so that the kids can get >> in on the action, but I'd like to know what to expect performance-wise >> before I approach the school about this. >> >> -Rob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > Hi Rob, > > Maybe you're asking the wrong question ...... but here goes anyway; > > P-IV 2.4 Ghz with 1.5 Gb mem., 40 GB hD can handle 15 to 20 clients but > that depends on the applications. > > Now if the "teacher" computers can be clustered, this willl depend on > distance, then 5 such machines could handle 100 clients. The point is we > need more info on the layout, use and detailed spec on the computers. > > good luck > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Nov 7 18:47:02 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:47:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients not able to connect to server In-Reply-To: <20041105173739.12337.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041105173739.12337.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <418E6DA6.10203@cmosnetworks.com> Can you give us more information, i. e. are you seeing the "Gray Screen With The X", or are they booted and trying to hit a NFS server, what type of file server is this, are your thin clients even netbooting at all, etc.? In addition to that, you might want to let us know which version of K12LTSP you're running. --TP Jennifer Waters wrote: >I really need help on this. I am at a school where >the Linux lab has been down most of the term. Right >now the thin clients cannot connect to the file >server. I am using pretty-chooser, because I have 1 >file/application server and 3 application servers. It >is very important that I get this lab up and running, >they are pushing to make it a windows lab. Help. >This is information I sent previously. > >Here is a snippet of the rc.sysinit file. Hopefully >it helps. > >Thank you for your help. > >Jennifer > >################################################################################ ># ># Check the hostname ># > >echo "127.0.0.1 localhost $"s03"tmp/hosts >echo "${DEFAULT_SERVER} server" >>/tmp/hosts > >################################################################################ ># ># Start the syslog daemon ># >pr_set 88 "Starting syslogd" >SYSLOG_HOST=${SYSLOG_HOST:-${DEFAULT_SERVER}} >reg_info SYSLOG_HOST >echo "Starting syslogd" >echo "*.* @${SYSLOG_HOST}" >/tmp/syslog.conf >syslogd -m 60 -R ${SYSLOG_HOST} > >################################################################################ ># ># Local app daemon stuff ># >if [ "${LOCAL_APPS}" = "Y" ]; then > pr_set 90 "Starting Portmapper" > echo "Starting portmapper" > portmap > > # pr_set 91 "Starting xinetd" > # echo "Starting xinetd" > # xinetd > > if [ "${NIS_SERVER}" != "" ]; then > pr_set 92"Setting NIS server" > echo "Setting NIS Server" > echo "ypserver ${NIS_SERVER}" >>/tmp/yp.conf > reg_info NIS_SERVER > fi > > pr_set 93 "Setting domainname" > echo "Setting domainname" > NIS_DOMAIN=${NIS_DOMAIN:-"ltsp"} > reg_info NIS_DOMAIN > echo domainname ${NIS_DOMAIN} > domainname ${NIS_DOMAIN} > > pr_set 94 "Starting ypbind" > echo "Starting ypbind" > if [ -z "${NIS_SERVER}" ]; then > ypbind -broadcast > else > ypbind -f /tmp/yp.conf > fi > > echo "Starting sshd..." > sshd > >fi > >################################################################################ ># ># Run the additional rc files. ># These are to make it easier to integrate additional >functionality ># into an ltsp system. Add your scripts to etc/rc.d, >and put the name ># of the script in the lts.conf file, and it will be >executed. ># > >pr_set 95 "Checking for rcfiles" >for i in 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10; do > RCVAR=RCFILE_${i} > RCFILE=${!RCVAR} > if [ -n "${RCFILE}" ]; then > reg_info ${RCVAR} > if [ -x /etc/rc.d/${RCFILE} ]; then > /etc/rc.d/${RCFILE} > else > pr_fail > echo > echo " ERROR: RCFILE_${i} is setup in >lts.conf, but" > echo " it does not exist in the /etc/rc.d >directory" > echo > echo -n "Press to continue " > read CMD > fi > fi >done > >################################################################################ ># ># Setup the sound stuff. ># >reg_info SOUND >if [ "${SOUND}" = "Y" ]; then > pr_set 97 "Setting up sound" > /etc/rc.sound >fi > >################################################################################ ># ># Setup a link in /tmp to give backward compatibility >with ># earlier versions of ltsp. ># >ln -s /etc/screen.d/startx /tmp/start_ws > > >pr_set 100 "rc.sysinit completed, switching to >multi-session mode" >echo "rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session >mode" > >echo >sleep 1 > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. >www.yahoo.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From robowens at myway.com Sun Nov 7 18:58:44 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:58:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? Message-ID: <20041107185844.662C5398F@mprdmxin.myway.com> Would you recommend Firefox instead of Mozilla? What about a lightweight alternative to OpenOffice? Kwrite perhaps, for the simple stuff? I realize OpenOffice is a heavyweight, but I like it because the kids can run it on their home computers, which will most likely be Windows machines. I use IceWM at home and I love it because it loads instantly, unlike KDE and GNOME. -Rob --- On Sun 11/07, Dennis Daniels < ddaniels at magic.fr > wrote: From: Dennis Daniels [mailto: ddaniels at magic.fr] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:12:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? We have the same goals!

Go with ICEWM, stay away from Moz and don't let more than a few people
use OO at any one time. There are some docs on getting multiple servers
on the same network using XDMCP chooser and NFSing the home directories
but the docs are kind of old and thin. Getting low-end machines to act
as servers is cool but the (our) reality is hours of fidgeting with
small successes... have a look here:

http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/RecentEdits

The real bugaboo is getting NFS to play nice...

I tried to doc the process as we worked through K12 4.1

best
Dennis


norbert wrote:
> robowens at myway.com wrote:
>
>> This topic has been hit upon in some other threads, but I thought it
>> was worthy of it's own.
>> Can anybody relate their experiences with using a newer desktop
>> machine as their server? For instance, something like a 2.4 GHz
>> single processor with IDE ha! rd drives. How many clients can run on
>> such a machine, using apps like OpenOffice, Mozilla, and possibly the
>> GIMP?
>>
>> The school in my town has a computer in each classroom that is for the
>> teacher to use. These are a year or two old. I think it would be
>> great to hook a bunch of thin clients to it so that the kids can get
>> in on the action, but I'd like to know what to expect performance-wise
>> before I approach the school about this.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
>> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> K12OSN mailing list
>> K12OSN at redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
>> For more info see
>>
>>
> Hi Rob,
>
> Maybe you're asking the wrong question ...... but here goes anyway;
! >
> P-IV 2.4 Ghz with 1.5 Gb mem., 40 GB hD can handle 15! to 20 c lients but
> that depends on the applications.
>
> Now if the "teacher" computers can be clustered, this willl depend on
> distance, then 5 such machines could handle 100 clients. The point is we
> need more info on the layout, use and detailed spec on the computers.
>
> good luck
> norbert
>
> _______________________________________________
> K12OSN mailing list
> K12OSN at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
> For more info see
>
>

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Sun Nov 7 19:18:28 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:18:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? In-Reply-To: <20041107185844.662C5398F@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20041107185844.662C5398F@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <418E7504.8050301@cfl.rr.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Nov 7 19:02:12 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:02:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients not able to connect to server- In-Reply-To: <418E6DA6.10203@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20041105173739.12337.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> <418E6DA6.10203@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <418E7134.80002@magic.fr> What's this about pretty-chooser? Did you configure the XDM? http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical:XdmChooser Did you get XDM chooser running? What version of K12LTSP are you running? I'm very interested in hearing more about how you configured your network! We're looking to get an application server running as well but NFS and XDM has not been playing nice :/ dgd Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Can you give us more information, i. e. are you seeing the "Gray Screen > With The X", or are they booted and trying to hit a NFS server, what > type of file server is this, are your thin clients even netbooting at > all, etc.? In addition to that, you might want to let us know which > version of K12LTSP you're running. > > --TP > > Jennifer Waters wrote: > >> I really need help on this. I am at a school where >> the Linux lab has been down most of the term. Right >> now the thin clients cannot connect to the file >> server. I am using pretty-chooser, because I have 1 >> file/application server and 3 application servers. It >> is very important that I get this lab up and running, >> they are pushing to make it a windows lab. Help. This is information >> I sent previously. >> >> Here is a snippet of the rc.sysinit file. Hopefully >> it helps. >> >> Thank you for your help. >> >> Jennifer >> >> ################################################################################ >> >> # >> # Check the hostname >> # >> >> echo "127.0.0.1 localhost $"s03"tmp/hosts >> echo "${DEFAULT_SERVER} server" >>/tmp/hosts >> >> ################################################################################ >> >> # >> # Start the syslog daemon >> # >> pr_set 88 "Starting syslogd" >> SYSLOG_HOST=${SYSLOG_HOST:-${DEFAULT_SERVER}} >> reg_info SYSLOG_HOST >> echo "Starting syslogd" >> echo "*.* @${SYSLOG_HOST}" >/tmp/syslog.conf >> syslogd -m 60 -R ${SYSLOG_HOST} >> >> ################################################################################ >> >> # >> # Local app daemon stuff >> # >> if [ "${LOCAL_APPS}" = "Y" ]; then >> pr_set 90 "Starting Portmapper" >> echo "Starting portmapper" >> portmap >> >> # pr_set 91 "Starting xinetd" >> # echo "Starting xinetd" >> # xinetd >> >> if [ "${NIS_SERVER}" != "" ]; then >> pr_set 92"Setting NIS server" >> echo "Setting NIS Server" >> echo "ypserver ${NIS_SERVER}" >>/tmp/yp.conf >> reg_info NIS_SERVER >> fi >> >> pr_set 93 "Setting domainname" >> echo "Setting domainname" >> NIS_DOMAIN=${NIS_DOMAIN:-"ltsp"} >> reg_info NIS_DOMAIN >> echo domainname ${NIS_DOMAIN} >> domainname ${NIS_DOMAIN} >> >> pr_set 94 "Starting ypbind" >> echo "Starting ypbind" >> if [ -z "${NIS_SERVER}" ]; then >> ypbind -broadcast >> else >> ypbind -f /tmp/yp.conf >> fi >> >> echo "Starting sshd..." >> sshd >> >> fi >> >> ################################################################################ >> >> # >> # Run the additional rc files. >> # These are to make it easier to integrate additional >> functionality >> # into an ltsp system. Add your scripts to etc/rc.d, >> and put the name >> # of the script in the lts.conf file, and it will be >> executed. >> # >> >> pr_set 95 "Checking for rcfiles" >> for i in 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10; do >> RCVAR=RCFILE_${i} >> RCFILE=${!RCVAR} >> if [ -n "${RCFILE}" ]; then >> reg_info ${RCVAR} >> if [ -x /etc/rc.d/${RCFILE} ]; then >> /etc/rc.d/${RCFILE} >> else >> pr_fail >> echo >> echo " ERROR: RCFILE_${i} is setup in >> lts.conf, but" >> echo " it does not exist in the /etc/rc.d >> directory" >> echo >> echo -n "Press to continue " >> read CMD >> fi >> fi >> done >> >> ################################################################################ >> >> # >> # Setup the sound stuff. >> # >> reg_info SOUND >> if [ "${SOUND}" = "Y" ]; then >> pr_set 97 "Setting up sound" >> /etc/rc.sound >> fi >> >> ################################################################################ >> >> # >> # Setup a link in /tmp to give backward compatibility >> with >> # earlier versions of ltsp. >> # >> ln -s /etc/screen.d/startx /tmp/start_ws >> >> >> pr_set 100 "rc.sysinit completed, switching to >> multi-session mode" >> echo "rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session >> mode" >> >> echo >> sleep 1 >> >> >> >> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new >> Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Nov 7 19:04:49 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:04:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? In-Reply-To: <20041107185844.662C5398F@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20041107185844.662C5398F@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <418E71D1.60905@magic.fr> Yes, Firefox over Moz, but there are still problems with firefox on server installs... intermittent failures. My students use gedit and kwrite. I am use diction and style a lot too to help my students improve their writing... best Dennis Rob Owens wrote: > Would you recommend Firefox instead of Mozilla? What about a lightweight alternative to OpenOffice? Kwrite perhaps, for the simple stuff? I realize OpenOffice is a heavyweight, but I like it because the kids can run it on their home computers, which will most likely be Windows machines. > > I use IceWM at home and I love it because it loads instantly, unlike KDE and GNOME. > > -Rob > > --- On Sun 11/07, Dennis Daniels < ddaniels at magic.fr > wrote: > From: Dennis Daniels [mailto: ddaniels at magic.fr] > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:12:07 -0800 > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? > > We have the same goals!

Go with ICEWM, stay away from Moz and don't let more than a few people
use OO at any one time. There are some docs on getting multiple servers
on the same network using XDMCP chooser and NFSing the home directories
but the docs are kind of old and thin. Getting low-end machines to act
as servers is cool but the (our) reality is hours of fidgeting with
small successes... have a look here:

http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/RecentEdits

The real bugaboo is getting NFS to play nice...

I tried to doc the process as we worked through K12 4.1

best
Dennis


norbert wrote:
> robowens at myway.com wrote:
>
>> This topic has been hit upon in some other threads, but I thought it
>> was worthy of it's own.
>> Can anybody relate their experiences with using a newer desktop
>> machine as their server? For instance, something like a 2.4 GHz
>> single processor with IDE h a! > rd drives. How many clients can run on
>> such a machine, using apps like OpenOffice, Mozilla, and possibly the
>> GIMP?
>>
>> The school in my town has a computer in each classroom that is for the
>> teacher to use. These are a year or two old. I think it would be
>> great to hook a bunch of thin clients to it so that the kids can get
>> in on the action, but I'd like to know what to expect performance-wise
>> before I approach the school about this.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
>> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> K12OSN mailing list
>> K12OSN at redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
>> For more info see
>>
>>
> Hi Rob,
>
> Maybe you're asking the wrong question ...... but here goes anyway;
! > >>
> P-IV 2.4 Ghz with 1.5 Gb mem., 40 GB hD can handle 15! > > to 20 c > lients but
> that depends on the applications.
>
> Now if the "teacher" computers can be clustered, this willl depend on
> distance, then 5 such machines could handle 100 clients. The point is we
> need more info on the layout, use and detailed spec on the computers.
>
> good luck
> norbert
>
> _______________________________________________
> K12OSN mailing list
> K12OSN at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
> For more info see
>
>

_______________________________________________
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> > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From bill at computassist.com Sun Nov 7 23:12:35 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:12:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? In-Reply-To: <20041107185844.662C5398F@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20041107185844.662C5398F@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <20041107171235.2acab7c4@heaven> On Sunday, Nov 07 Rob Owens wrote: > Would you recommend Firefox instead of Mozilla? What about a > lightweight alternative to OpenOffice? Kwrite perhaps, for the simple > stuff? I realize OpenOffice is a heavyweight, but I like it because > the kids can run it on their home computers, which will most likely be > Windows machines. AbiWord is a good open source word processor that is available for both Linux and Windows. Not quite as MS-Ofiice-like as OpenOffice. Check out the Open CD project at http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/. Lots of open source software that runs on both Linux and Windows. You can burn these and send them home with all your students (and teachers!) -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Nov 8 00:35:10 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:35:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Performance issue and question - more information on server In-Reply-To: <418D81C7.9000406@cmosnetworks.com> References: <006a01c4c3bc$7ab6ba00$0290a8c0@DEN> <418D1F22.8010609@mts.net> <418D81C7.9000406@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <418EBF3E.9000308@mts.net> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Liam Marshall wrote: > >> Dean Weiten wrote: >> >>> Folks have repeatedly asked how much RAM is in the server. Sorry, >>> but I >>> don't monitor the mailing list constantly... >>> >>> We have two servers, identical hardware, sharing the outside >>> backbone. They >>> both have the same symptoms. >>> >>> RAM is 2 Gb >>> >>> HDD is Western Digital WD400JB-00FMA0 (according to dmesg) >>> >>> >>> >> one big problem could be the hard drive. Even EIDE is going to be >> slower accessing files than scsi. Any number of users over 5-10 and >> you will notice serious problems with performance. >> > > My experience has been quite different. Granted that SCSI is faster, > and true hardware-based SCSI RAID 5 is yet better, but my server runs > two EIDE disks and responds just fine for 25 users running OO.o, > Mozilla, and the GIMP. > > snip really? I was told there was no way EIDE could handle a load of 25 users. Are your two drives set with RAID 0? what speed are the drives? Next year, or as early as christmas, I am going to change drives. If I could get away with EIDE that would be fantastic! Of course, first I need to figure how to change drives but copy the old partitions onto them. From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Nov 8 01:00:22 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:00:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT Message-ID: <418EC526.1080003@netscape.net> Hi. Does anyone know of a good schedulling & timetabling software for schools. OSS preferred but options will be considered. thks norbert From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Nov 8 01:25:22 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:25:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Performance issue and question - more information on server In-Reply-To: <418EBF3E.9000308@mts.net> References: <006a01c4c3bc$7ab6ba00$0290a8c0@DEN> <418D1F22.8010609@mts.net> <418D81C7.9000406@cmosnetworks.com> <418EBF3E.9000308@mts.net> Message-ID: <418ECB02.7060701@cmosnetworks.com> Liam Marshall wrote: > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Liam Marshall wrote: >> >>> Dean Weiten wrote: >>> >>>> Folks have repeatedly asked how much RAM is in the server. Sorry, >>>> but I >>>> don't monitor the mailing list constantly... >>>> >>>> We have two servers, identical hardware, sharing the outside >>>> backbone. They >>>> both have the same symptoms. >>>> >>>> RAM is 2 Gb >>>> >>>> HDD is Western Digital WD400JB-00FMA0 (according to dmesg) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> one big problem could be the hard drive. Even EIDE is going to be >>> slower accessing files than scsi. Any number of users over 5-10 and >>> you will notice serious problems with performance. >>> >> >> My experience has been quite different. Granted that SCSI is faster, >> and true hardware-based SCSI RAID 5 is yet better, but my server runs >> two EIDE disks and responds just fine for 25 users running OO.o, >> Mozilla, and the GIMP. >> >> snip > > > > really? I was told there was no way EIDE could handle a load of 25 > users. Are your two drives set with RAID 0? what speed are the drives? > > Next year, or as early as christmas, I am going to change drives. If > I could get away with EIDE that would be fantastic! Of course, first > I need to figure how to change drives but copy the old partitions onto > them. > No, they're JBODs (Just a Bunch Of Disks), and they are 7200RPM drives. I don't remember if they're 2 or 8MB cache; since this server had to be built on a budget, I suspect they're the 2MB versions. This was before SATA became the "en vogue" thing to do, and we just couldn't build the server with both SCSI and 4GB DRAM and keep it under US$2000. The large DRAM might be helping a lot here, and given the choice of either large DRAM or going with SCSI hard disks, I took the DRAM. Proved to be a smart choice. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Nov 8 01:29:46 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:29:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? In-Reply-To: <20041107171235.2acab7c4@heaven> References: <20041107185844.662C5398F@mprdmxin.myway.com> <20041107171235.2acab7c4@heaven> Message-ID: <418ECC0A.3020906@cmosnetworks.com> Bill Bardon wrote: >On Sunday, Nov 07 Rob Owens wrote: > > >>Would you recommend Firefox instead of Mozilla? What about a >>lightweight alternative to OpenOffice? Kwrite perhaps, for the simple >>stuff? I realize OpenOffice is a heavyweight, but I like it because >>the kids can run it on their home computers, which will most likely be >>Windows machines. >> >> > >AbiWord is a good open source word processor that is available for both >Linux and Windows. Not quite as MS-Ofiice-like as OpenOffice. > >Check out the Open CD project at http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/. Lots of >open source software that runs on both Linux and Windows. You can burn >these and send them home with all your students (and teachers!) > > I agree on both AbiWord and Gnumeric. However, there are times when I need to work with a MS Word document that has images and other things in it, and though AbiWord is pretty good, it doesn't nail the MS Word compatibility as well as OO.o does. Same for MS Excel spreadsheets. That's why I give my kids OO.o in addition to AbiWord and Gnumeric. I find myself switching back and forth as needed on my own workstation; my defaults are AbiWord and Gnumeric, with the option to open the document in OO.o. Remember that, once OO.o is loaded, it's cached, and it will act more quickly than the first time you load it. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 03:01:28 2004 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:01:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT In-Reply-To: <418EC526.1080003@netscape.net> References: <418EC526.1080003@netscape.net> Message-ID: <92de6c8804110719012843d4bd@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:00:22 -0500, norbert wrote: > Does anyone know of a good schedulling & timetabling software for > schools. OSS preferred but options will be considered. Actually, we've got money budgeted to write (or otherwise integrate) open source scheduling and timetabling components for the SchoolTool project (http://schooltool.org). We've got some docs specifically related to timetabling here: http://www.schooltool.org/bounties/timetabling/ Right now we're kicking around the requirements, which is going a bit slowly because we don't have enough educators who actually do scheduling and timetabling involved in the conversation. We should have something written by spring. If you're in a hurry, there's also Tablix (http://tablix.sourceforge.net) and a couple others. The tricky part is that people tend to write these things to handle specific contexts, but doing timetabling that will flexible enough to work in a wide variety of schools without being very complex, is difficult. In an unrelated note, we'll be finishing a new version of SchoolTool's shared calendaring system in a few weeks, which will be complete enough to start testing in actual schools. We'll work with Eric to put together some RPM's that'll work with K12LTSP. Tom Hoffman Project Manager, SchoolTool From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Nov 8 03:57:51 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 22:57:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT In-Reply-To: <92de6c8804110719012843d4bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <418EC526.1080003@netscape.net> <92de6c8804110719012843d4bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418EEEBF.50406@netscape.net> tom.hoffman at gmail.com wrote: >On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:00:22 -0500, norbert wrote: > > > >>Does anyone know of a good schedulling & timetabling software for >>schools. OSS preferred but options will be considered. >> >> > >Actually, we've got money budgeted to write (or otherwise integrate) >open source scheduling and timetabling components for the SchoolTool >project (http://schooltool.org). We've got some docs specifically >related to timetabling here: >http://www.schooltool.org/bounties/timetabling/ > >Right now we're kicking around the requirements, which is going a bit >slowly because we don't have enough educators who actually do >scheduling and timetabling involved in the conversation. > >We should have something written by spring. If you're in a hurry, >there's also Tablix (http://tablix.sourceforge.net) and a couple >others. The tricky part is that people tend to write these things to >handle specific contexts, but doing timetabling that will flexible >enough to work in a wide variety of schools without being very >complex, is difficult. > >In an unrelated note, we'll be finishing a new version of SchoolTool's >shared calendaring system in a few weeks, which will be complete >enough to start testing in actual schools. We'll work with Eric to >put together some RPM's that'll work with K12LTSP. > >Tom Hoffman >Project Manager, SchoolTool > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi Tom, We've installed K12LTSP in schools & training centres, however I have a requirement for a University department that is computer ILLITERATE !!! ....... they still transfer documents by printing them out .... mailing them via internal mail & typing them in at destination although they have an intranet !!! The department needs SW that will allow them to schedule courses and professors and locations with enough ease that they can make changes on the fly and make student/staff timetables available. Ideally I would see this as a web based application that can be shared, ie. when a class is updated the change is reflected on all the other schedules. If you want/need some guinea pigs please let me know also if there is something available as a demo I'm very interested. thanks Norbert A. Bedoucha CEO - XTlabs www.xtlabs.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peden at americanphysicians.net Mon Nov 8 14:04:34 2004 From: peden at americanphysicians.net (Paul Eden) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless boot from hard disk In-Reply-To: <418D2310.4060705@edu.vantaa.fi> References: <418D2310.4060705@edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <1099922674.29440.5.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> One good option is to use a wireless bridge (about $60 to $80) for one or more clients. The clients think they are booting over wired ethernet and everything "just works". Paul Eden On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 12:16, Mikko Jordman wrote: > Tried to find information from archives, more questions than answers. > Can I do it with the wireless_ltsp image and the howto boot from hard > disk. I suppose not. > My skills are not good enough to put these together. I someone has done > it, please give me a hint. > (Thinkpad 560's + 3com wwired pcmcia nic's; without floppy. That's why > the information is so important) > > yours, mikkoj > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Best Regards, Paul D. Eden Director of Information Systems American Physicians, Inc. peden at americanphysicians.net 602-595-8000 (DID) From julius at turtle.com Mon Nov 8 14:09:16 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:09:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? In-Reply-To: <20041107143228.32BDA39C7@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20041107143228.32BDA39C7@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <4261.216.216.171.235.1099922956.squirrel@216.216.171.235> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > This topic has been hit upon in some other threads, but I thought it was > worthy of it's own. > > Can anybody relate their experiences with using a newer desktop machine as > their server? For instance, something like a 2.4 GHz single processor > with IDE hard drives. How many clients can run on such a machine, using > apps like OpenOffice, Mozilla, and possibly the GIMP? > > The school in my town has a computer in each classroom that is for the > teacher to use. These are a year or two old. I think it would be great > to hook a bunch of thin clients to it so that the kids can get in on the > action, but I'd like to know what to expect performance-wise before I > approach the school about this. > Rob, I've used my laptop as an emergency server for 8 terminals. The speed was just fine, the apps used were mostly xterm for connection to business system, mozilla and 3 oo instances. the laptop is a sony z1wap, pentium m 1.8GHz, 1GB memory, 80GB drive, k12ltsp 4.1. you should have pretty good results with any processor that does multithreading, so that yo can run smp kernel. the real key is memory, the more, the better. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBj34M2LhlZOaj6vURAj23AJ9f/t4qxHhedSYB3zq5PfIPzHza8wCdE7HU RTHLSuDXYVF4QWAXu9liWps= =UntG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Nov 8 14:26:39 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:26:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Greetings from LTSP-by-the-Sea! Message-ID: Hi all, I'm reporting live from Day 3 (Sunday) of the weekend dev-hackathon in Southwest Harbor, Maine USA. There are many noted K12LTSP and LTSP folks are here hackiing away. Some accomplishments (understand that many of these items still have a lot of development that needs to be done...so don't expect them to be released tomorrow...*grin*) ....a considerable amount of progress has been made in the areas of hardware/automounting/usb keys (let's put it this way...it works, but now there's more testing to be done...but essentially you stick in the USB thumbdrive....and click on it...that simple...same for almost any other device). We have NX working....in fact we used my server here at VCS as the guinea pig....much testing needs to be done, but it works. Considerable thought was put into mapping out local apps and progress is being made as to the best way to implement that and make it simple. It was determined that we have all the pieces for observe/demo/remote control solution similar to Apple Remote Desktop...or various other PC alternatives such as Vision...etc. It's a matter of packaging at this point, but it does work and it's quite slick! It's amazing what a cobbled together wireless network and a hodge-podge of laptops...combined with folks from as far away as Portland, OR and Norway...can accomplish on beer, lobster, and very little sleep! Samba/LDAP was discussed at length...various ideas were tossed around, but one awesome thing we learned is that the folks at SkoleLinux (aka Debian EDU)....Ragnar Wisloff...the guy from Norway....they have put together a distro that has Samba/LDAP already running with a slick web interface. If I didn't already have one running....I'd simply install this....set it up....export the home directories and be in business. You can add users via a text file as well for bulk import. I encourage you to visit the skolelinux site http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/ in addition to being a very cool server...it is also an LTSP server distro as well...depending on you set it up (which profile you choose). So! As you can see things were accomplished and hopefully many of you (us) will see the fruits of this labor prior to Linux World in February! I learned a lot from these guys and was thrilled to be able to be a small part of it (I was on the NX team). Hopefully we'll have some pics real soon! Many thanks to Chuck Liebow for hosting us....The folks at the SeaWall Motel....the folks from DisklessWorkstations.com and Lumensoftware for sponsoring Sat. nights feast....and everyone who attended for all you do.....and most of all to everyone out there who is a part of this awesome Open Source community! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 8 15:19:36 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:19:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] launch an application via php script? In-Reply-To: <418C6AC0.7090608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <001701c4c5a6$5bc09fd0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Is there a way to launch an application (eg: 'gimp') via a php script? I myself have no idea if this can be done, however this made me recall a conversation with our old Web Designer. He said that Java Applets were the only web technology that he could use to call on local applications, all other stuff was a "server side" technology. So you could create a Java Applet that upon initial access of the site would download and run locally, then you could have buttons that would call the local applications or on websites. But again, I have no idea. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 8 15:50:57 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:50:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Greetings from LTSP-by-the-Sea! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c4c5aa$bc817750$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks for the update, very cool. I will be eager to use the new features in the next release. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 8 15:46:47 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:46:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] launch an application via php script? In-Reply-To: <418C6AC0.7090608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <418C6AC0.7090608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <418F94E7.9010407@maltzen.net> I don't think this can be done, at least not with PHP (or CGI, etc.). PHP is a server-side scripting language, meaning whatever is called is owned by the server ID; I think you want, say, the gimp session to be owned by the user who clicks on an icon. I can't think of any way that you could pass the $DISPLAY variable to the server, that the server would be able to make sense of, such that the gimp would appear on the correct terminal. The problem, as I see it, is one of context: clicking the icon happens in the user's context, but it triggers a (PHP) script that runs in the web server's context. Even if you could have apache call the gimp and pass it the correct display, you still have the issue of who owns and therefore controls the gimp pid. It's an interesting concept, though, and I'd love to be proven wrong...but I just can't see how one would make it work. I don't think you can get there from here. Petre Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi, This is for the PHP gurus... > > Is there a way to launch an application (eg: 'gimp') via a php script? > > I'm thinking of an intranet page for Preppies (kindergarten) with icons > linked to flash games on external sites but also icons linked to > internal applications. So I would need something like: > > TUX PAINT ICON > > and then > > some php script here... > } > ?> > > I've tried exec() and shell_exec() without success. > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Debbie > > ps - is this considered 'off topic'? > From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Nov 8 16:45:23 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:45:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Conundrum Message-ID: <418FA2A3.4050802@mts.net> I am contemplating a hard drive switch. Here is the current configuration cheap 2 gb ide drive primary master with /boot residing on it cheap 52x cdrom secondary master Adaptec 2940U2/UW scsi controller cheap old and slow seagate ST318418N 7200 rpm 18 gb scsi drive identified as sda with /home /opt and the swap on it cheap old and slow ibm DDRs-3913OD 7200 rpm with /root and all else linux on it K12LTSP 4.0? on it. (haven't gone to 4.1 during the school year out of fear of losing all that is currently setup on it ie users, software etc.) I want to explore different had drives to get more storage space and speed. before I can do that however I need to know a few things 1. I thought putting /home /opt and /swap on a different drive was a good thing, performance wise. Was I wrong? should I try to keep everything on one drive or keep things separate? would I lose performance, in otherwords, if I get a single, larger drive to replace the 2 I currently use? 2. How would I go about copying the drive's partitions to the new drive(s) as the partitions are currently separated across multiple drives I can't just clone the drives, which I know how to do in the windoze world but not in linux anyway. 3. I am wondering whether to stick with scsi or go EIDE. I am assuming that if I get even EIDE drives with a much higher rpm speed than my slow scsi drives that I will see something of a performance increase, even if I am "downgrading" to EIDE from scsi? 4. can I do some form of raid with EIDE? I assume I would need a controller card for this. help greatly appreciated From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 8 16:04:05 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:04:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? In-Reply-To: <418E7504.8050301@cfl.rr.com> References: <20041107185844.662C5398F@mprdmxin.myway.com> <418E7504.8050301@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <418F98F5.9080602@maltzen.net> And note that Abiword IS cross-platform, i.e., it runs on Linux and MS Windows, so you could give away CDs to students to take home and use. Gnumeric is linux/unix only. There are some cross-platform spreadsheets, but I don't know of any free ones (aside from OOo). Petre Brian Chase wrote: > Firefox is good, but you'll get the best bang for processor/memory buck > by switching from OOWriter to Abiword, and OOCalc to Gnumeric. > > Rob Owens wrote: > >>Would you recommend Firefox instead of Mozilla? What about a lightweight alternative to OpenOffice? Kwrite perhaps, for the simple stuff? I realize OpenOffice is a heavyweight, but I like it because the kids can run it on their home computers, which will most likely be Windows machines. >> >>I use IceWM at home and I love it because it loads instantly, unlike KDE and GNOME. >> >>-Rob >> >> --- On Sun 11/07, Dennis Daniels < ddaniels at magic.fr > wrote: >>From: Dennis Daniels [mailto: ddaniels at magic.fr] >>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:12:07 -0800 >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] high-end desktop machine as a server? >> >>We have the same goals!

Go with ICEWM, stay away from Moz and don't let more than a few people
use OO at any one time. There are some docs on getting multiple servers
on the same network using XDMCP chooser and NFSing the home directories
but the docs are kind of old and thin. Getting low-end machines to act
as servers is cool but the (our) reality is hours of fidgeting with
small successes... have a look here:

http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/RecentEdits

The real bugaboo is getting NFS to play nice...

I tried to doc the process as we worked through K12 4.1

best
Dennis


norbert wrote:
> robowens at myway.com wrot >>e:
>
>> This topic has been hit upon in some other threads, but I thought it
>> was worthy of it's own.
>> Can anybody relate their experiences with using a newer desktop
>> machine as their server? For instance, something like a 2.4 GHz
>> single processor with IDE ha! >>rd drives. How many clients can run on
>> such a machine, using apps like OpenOffice, Mozilla, and possibly the
>> GIMP?
>>
>> The school in my town has a computer in each classroom that is for the
>> teacher to use. These are a year or two old. I think it would be
>> great to hook a bunch of thin clients to it so that the kids can get
>> in on the action, but I'd like to know what to expect performance-wise
>> before I approach the school about this.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
>>
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>> K12OSN at redhat.com
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>>
>>
> Hi Rob,
>
> Maybe you're asking the wrong question ...... but here goes anyway;
! >> >> >>>
> P-IV 2.4 Ghz with 1.5 Gb mem., 40 GB hD can handle 15! >>> >>> >> to 20 c >>lients but
> that depends on the applications.
>
> Now if the "teacher" computers can be clustered, this willl depend on
> distance, then 5 such machines could handle 100 clients. The point is we
> need more info on the layout, use and detailed spec on the computers.
>
> good luck
> norbert
>
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>> >>_______________________________________________ >>No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >>Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ism at ywammt.org Mon Nov 8 16:19:27 2004 From: ism at ywammt.org (Joshua Sanders) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:19:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] Disk Druid Blunder. Message-ID: <41874.10.1.2.1.1099930767.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> I installed k12ltsp and formatted all partitions except /stor. The problem is that I forgot to activate the partitions or something along these lines because now that the machine is all up and running i can't mount /stor or anything. I was able to view the partition table: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux /dev/hda2 14 778 6144862+ 83 Linux /dev/hda3 779 905 1020127+ 82 Linux swap ::/dev/hda4 906 4865 31808700 f W95 Ext'd (LBA):: ::/dev/hda5 906 4865 31808668+ 83 Linux :: [root at lecturehall root]# Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 3157, errno = 0 My question is how to mount the old /stor? Thanks, Jordan Ankenman ISM YWAM Montana From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Nov 8 17:27:00 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:27:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] launch an application via php script? In-Reply-To: <418F94E7.9010407@maltzen.net> References: <418C6AC0.7090608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <418F94E7.9010407@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <418FAC64.80004@paasda.org> can you actually open an executable via tag? I tried...it asked me where I wanted to save the executable... (was on a windows machine) dunno how linux will handle it... Javascript might be able to launch something for you ? --Huck, not even a mid-level web programmer =) Petre Scheie wrote: > I don't think this can be done, at least not with PHP (or CGI, etc.). > PHP is a server-side scripting language, meaning whatever is called is > owned by the server ID; I think you want, say, the gimp session to be > owned by the user who clicks on an icon. I can't think of any way > that you could pass the $DISPLAY variable to the server, that the > server would be able to make sense of, such that the gimp would appear > on the correct terminal. The problem, as I see it, is one of context: > clicking the icon happens in the user's context, but it triggers a > (PHP) script that runs in the web server's context. > > Even if you could have apache call the gimp and pass it the correct > display, you still have the issue of who owns and therefore controls > the gimp pid. > > It's an interesting concept, though, and I'd love to be proven > wrong...but I just can't see how one would make it work. I don't > think you can get there from here. > > Petre > > Debbie Schiel wrote: > >> Hi, This is for the PHP gurus... >> >> Is there a way to launch an application (eg: 'gimp') via a php script? >> >> I'm thinking of an intranet page for Preppies (kindergarten) with >> icons linked to flash games on external sites but also icons linked >> to internal applications. So I would need something like: >> >> TUX PAINT ICON >> >> and then >> >> > some php script here... >> } >> ?> >> >> I've tried exec() and shell_exec() without success. >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Debbie >> >> ps - is this considered 'off topic'? >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From gideon at symbio-technologies.com Mon Nov 8 17:28:04 2004 From: gideon at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:28:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Domain + LTSP 4 Message-ID: <1099934809.9282.2.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Has anyone on the list joined their LTSP server to a Windows domain AND used removable media? I am having trouble connecting to the samba share for the rmovable media and suspect that it might be related to windows networking (ie. being part of a domain, while trying to mount a share on another workgroup) Anybody know anything about this? -Gideon -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 8 18:29:15 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:29:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] When will Redhat's K12LTSP release iso's for x86-64? Message-ID: <418FBAFB.6040507@cfl.rr.com> I just bought a new Dual Opteron, now I find that I really ought to be running FC x86-64 on it, since existing K12LTSP distro's support 32-bit only. Can someone enlighten me or let me know plans for K12LTSP support for my dual Opteron Server? From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Nov 8 18:58:12 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:58:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Conundrum In-Reply-To: <418FA2A3.4050802@mts.net> References: <418FA2A3.4050802@mts.net> Message-ID: <418FC1C4.9000602@mts.net> Liam Marshall wrote: > I am contemplating a hard drive switch. Here is the current > configuration > > cheap 2 gb ide drive primary master with /boot residing on it > cheap 52x cdrom secondary master > > Adaptec 2940U2/UW scsi controller > > cheap old and slow seagate ST318418N 7200 rpm 18 gb scsi drive > identified as sda with /home /opt and the swap on it > > cheap old and slow ibm DDRs-3913OD 7200 rpm with /root and all else > linux on it > > K12LTSP 4.0? on it. (haven't gone to 4.1 during the school year out > of fear of losing all that is currently setup on it ie users, software > etc.) > > I want to explore different had drives to get more storage space and > speed. before I can do that however I need to know a few things > > 1. I thought putting /home /opt and /swap on a different drive was a > good thing, performance wise. Was I wrong? should I try to keep > everything on one drive or keep things separate? would I lose > performance, in otherwords, if I get a single, larger drive to replace > the 2 I currently use? > > 2. How would I go about copying the drive's partitions to the new > drive(s) as the partitions are currently separated across multiple > drives I can't just clone the drives, which I know how to do in the > windoze world but not in linux anyway. > > 3. I am wondering whether to stick with scsi or go EIDE. I am > assuming that if I get even EIDE drives with a much higher rpm speed > than my slow scsi drives that I will see something of a performance > increase, even if I am "downgrading" to EIDE from scsi? > > 4. can I do some form of raid with EIDE? I assume I would need a > controller card for this. > > > > help greatly appreciated > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I also need a ide raid controller recommendation that we know works with linux. correct me if I am wrong but most should as the raid work is done before linux is involved, right? I mean, I played with a cheap dell system that had a 2 drive ide configuration attached to a raid controller card and during the installation of K12LTSP 4.0 it detected only 1 drive From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Nov 8 18:59:49 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:59:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Conundrum In-Reply-To: <418FC1C4.9000602@mts.net> References: <418FA2A3.4050802@mts.net> <418FC1C4.9000602@mts.net> Message-ID: <418FC225.2020203@mts.net> Liam Marshall wrote: > Liam Marshall wrote: > >> I am contemplating a hard drive switch. Here is the current >> configuration >> >> cheap 2 gb ide drive primary master with /boot residing on it >> cheap 52x cdrom secondary master >> >> Adaptec 2940U2/UW scsi controller >> >> cheap old and slow seagate ST318418N 7200 rpm 18 gb scsi drive >> identified as sda with /home /opt and the swap on it >> >> cheap old and slow ibm DDRs-3913OD 7200 rpm with /root and all else >> linux on it >> >> K12LTSP 4.0? on it. (haven't gone to 4.1 during the school year out >> of fear of losing all that is currently setup on it ie users, >> software etc.) >> >> I want to explore different had drives to get more storage space and >> speed. before I can do that however I need to know a few things >> >> 1. I thought putting /home /opt and /swap on a different drive was a >> good thing, performance wise. Was I wrong? should I try to keep >> everything on one drive or keep things separate? would I lose >> performance, in otherwords, if I get a single, larger drive to >> replace the 2 I currently use? >> >> 2. How would I go about copying the drive's partitions to the new >> drive(s) as the partitions are currently separated across multiple >> drives I can't just clone the drives, which I know how to do in the >> windoze world but not in linux anyway. >> >> 3. I am wondering whether to stick with scsi or go EIDE. I am >> assuming that if I get even EIDE drives with a much higher rpm speed >> than my slow scsi drives that I will see something of a performance >> increase, even if I am "downgrading" to EIDE from scsi? >> >> 4. can I do some form of raid with EIDE? I assume I would need a >> controller card for this. >> >> >> >> help greatly appreciated >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > I also need a ide raid controller recommendation that we know works > with linux. > > correct me if I am wrong but most should as the raid work is done > before linux is involved, right? I mean, I played with a cheap dell > system that had a 2 drive ide configuration attached to a raid > controller card and during the installation of K12LTSP 4.0 it detected > only 1 drive > what ide raid level would be best for both redundancy and performance? is that raid 0+1? and would any raid controller do that? From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 8 19:05:50 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:05:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Conundrum In-Reply-To: <418FC225.2020203@mts.net> References: <418FA2A3.4050802@mts.net> <418FC1C4.9000602@mts.net> <418FC225.2020203@mts.net> Message-ID: <418FC38E.1010608@cfl.rr.com> Check 3ware for IDE raid solutions with built-into-the-kernel compatibility for Linux, so Linux sees Raid array as single hard drive on install. I have several RAID cards and they are well renowned in the Linux community for good Linux support. Liam Marshall wrote: > Liam Marshall wrote: > >> Liam Marshall wrote: >> >>> I am contemplating a hard drive switch. Here is the current >>> configuration >>> >>> cheap 2 gb ide drive primary master with /boot residing on it >>> cheap 52x cdrom secondary master >>> >>> Adaptec 2940U2/UW scsi controller >>> >>> cheap old and slow seagate ST318418N 7200 rpm 18 gb scsi drive >>> identified as sda with /home /opt and the swap on it >>> >>> cheap old and slow ibm DDRs-3913OD 7200 rpm with /root and all else >>> linux on it >>> >>> K12LTSP 4.0? on it. (haven't gone to 4.1 during the school year out >>> of fear of losing all that is currently setup on it ie users, >>> software etc.) >>> >>> I want to explore different had drives to get more storage space and >>> speed. before I can do that however I need to know a few things >>> >>> 1. I thought putting /home /opt and /swap on a different drive was >>> a good thing, performance wise. Was I wrong? should I try to keep >>> everything on one drive or keep things separate? would I lose >>> performance, in otherwords, if I get a single, larger drive to >>> replace the 2 I currently use? >>> >>> 2. How would I go about copying the drive's partitions to the new >>> drive(s) as the partitions are currently separated across multiple >>> drives I can't just clone the drives, which I know how to do in the >>> windoze world but not in linux anyway. >>> >>> 3. I am wondering whether to stick with scsi or go EIDE. I am >>> assuming that if I get even EIDE drives with a much higher rpm speed >>> than my slow scsi drives that I will see something of a performance >>> increase, even if I am "downgrading" to EIDE from scsi? >>> >>> 4. can I do some form of raid with EIDE? I assume I would need a >>> controller card for this. >>> >>> >>> >>> help greatly appreciated >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> I also need a ide raid controller recommendation that we know works >> with linux. >> >> correct me if I am wrong but most should as the raid work is done >> before linux is involved, right? I mean, I played with a cheap dell >> system that had a 2 drive ide configuration attached to a raid >> controller card and during the installation of K12LTSP 4.0 it >> detected only 1 drive >> > what ide raid level would be best for both redundancy and > performance? is that raid 0+1? and would any raid controller do that? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 18:53:12 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:53:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction/question Message-ID: <9bd317560411081053d871f15@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, My name is Peter Hartmann. I work at a little private school in Manhattan called Ascension Elementary. Let me preface my question by thanking everyone for this amazing resource! I'm in the process of getting the clients configured and i was wondering what services to restart to after making changes to the lts.conf file. I'm getting pretty tired of restarting the machine. Thanks, Peter From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 8 19:25:31 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:25:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Conundrum In-Reply-To: <418FC225.2020203@mts.net> Message-ID: <003201c4c5c8$b6615660$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > what ide raid level would be best for both redundancy and > performance? > is that raid 0+1? and would any raid controller do that? RAID 5 would be the best in my opinion. But there is a cost factor involved with that as well. Most cards support 0 or 1 or 0+1. If RAID 5 takes your cost too high, then I would go 0+1. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Mon Nov 8 19:26:50 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:26:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction/question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560411081053d871f15@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560411081053d871f15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >Hi All, >My name is Peter Hartmann. I work at a little private school in >Manhattan called Ascension Elementary. Let me preface my question by >thanking everyone for this amazing resource! I'm in the process of >getting the clients configured and i was wondering what services to >restart to after making changes to the lts.conf file. I'm getting >pretty tired of restarting the machine. Thanks, Peter - If you make a change to lts.conf you do not have to restart the server, but you do have to restart the client. Scott From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Mon Nov 8 19:27:50 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:27:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction/question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560411081053d871f15@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560411081053d871f15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418FC8B6.8030200@criticalcontrol.com> Ascension Tech wrote: >Hi All, >My name is Peter Hartmann. I work at a little private school in >Manhattan called Ascension Elementary. Let me preface my question by >thanking everyone for this amazing resource! I'm in the process of >getting the clients configured and i was wondering what services to >restart to after making changes to the lts.conf file. I'm getting >pretty tired of restarting the machine. Thanks, >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > No restart of the server, just reboot the client. -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh Linux System Administrator (& advocate) From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 8 19:29:47 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:29:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction/question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560411081053d871f15@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560411081053d871f15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418FC92B.5090809@maltzen.net> In most cases, changes to the lts.conf file do not require a reboot of the server. The changes will show up in the clients, since that's what lts.conf actually controls, when the clients reboot. Petre Ascension Tech wrote: > Hi All, > My name is Peter Hartmann. I work at a little private school in > Manhattan called Ascension Elementary. Let me preface my question by > thanking everyone for this amazing resource! I'm in the process of > getting the clients configured and i was wondering what services to > restart to after making changes to the lts.conf file. I'm getting > pretty tired of restarting the machine. Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 8 19:32:16 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:32:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Conundrum In-Reply-To: <003201c4c5c8$b6615660$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003201c4c5c8$b6615660$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <418FC9C0.40806@cfl.rr.com> Most likely, you're on a tight budget, and Raid 0/1 capable cards are much cheaper. For a low-end IDE RAID card I'd recommend the 3ware 7006-2 with RAID 1 (mirrored). > http://www.3ware.com/products/parallel_ata.asp > http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RAID.html Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>what ide raid level would be best for both redundancy and >>performance? >>is that raid 0+1? and would any raid controller do that? >> >> > >RAID 5 would be the best in my opinion. But there is a cost factor >involved with that as well. Most cards support 0 or 1 or 0+1. If RAID >5 takes your cost too high, then I would go 0+1. > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 > > > > > From adammelancon at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 19:44:43 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:44:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction/question In-Reply-To: <418FC92B.5090809@maltzen.net> References: <9bd317560411081053d871f15@mail.gmail.com> <418FC92B.5090809@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <48928761041108114461d724b2@mail.gmail.com> Just keep in mind, if you edit /etc/dhcpd.conf you will need to restart dhcpd You can do that by typing this at the command line. [root at k12ltsp41 /]# service dhcpd restart On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:29:47 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > In most cases, changes to the lts.conf file do not require a reboot of the > server. The changes will show up in the clients, since that's what lts.conf > actually controls, when the clients reboot. > > Petre > > > > Ascension Tech wrote: > > Hi All, > > My name is Peter Hartmann. I work at a little private school in > > Manhattan called Ascension Elementary. Let me preface my question by > > thanking everyone for this amazing resource! I'm in the process of > > getting the clients configured and i was wondering what services to > > restart to after making changes to the lts.conf file. I'm getting > > pretty tired of restarting the machine. Thanks, > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From jam at mcquil.com Mon Nov 8 20:56:53 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:56:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] When will Redhat's K12LTSP release iso's for x86-64? In-Reply-To: <418FBAFB.6040507@cfl.rr.com> References: <418FBAFB.6040507@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Seems like a great question for the k12osn mailing list. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Brian Chase wrote: > I just bought a new Dual Opteron, now I find that I really ought to be running > FC x86-64 on it, since existing K12LTSP distro's support 32-bit only. > > Can someone enlighten me or let me know plans for K12LTSP support for my dual > Opteron Server? > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Mon Nov 8 22:35:29 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:35:29 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] launch an application via php script? In-Reply-To: <418FAC64.80004@paasda.org> References: <418C6AC0.7090608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <418F94E7.9010407@maltzen.net> <418FAC64.80004@paasda.org> Message-ID: <418FF4B1.7090303@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi - Thanks for the replies. What you all say about php being server-side so can't activate local apps makes sense, so I tried a different search, and found: http://www.whirlywiryweb.com/q/%2Flaunchinie.asp "...LaunchinIE ActiveX Control that will enable HTML pages to start whatever application on the client's machine, without security warnings. To ensure security, LaunchinIE needs to be carefully configured client-side; due to this restriction it's only fit for intranet use." But it seems like it's only for (ew!) internet explorer... I'll keep looking though and reply with the solution when I find it. Debbie Huck wrote: > can you actually open an executable via tag? > I tried...it asked me where I wanted to save the executable... > (was on a windows machine) dunno how linux will handle it... > > Javascript might be able to launch something for you ? > > --Huck, not even a mid-level web programmer =) > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I don't think this can be done, at least not with PHP (or CGI, etc.). >> PHP is a server-side scripting language, meaning whatever is called is >> owned by the server ID; I think you want, say, the gimp session to be >> owned by the user who clicks on an icon. I can't think of any way >> that you could pass the $DISPLAY variable to the server, that the >> server would be able to make sense of, such that the gimp would appear >> on the correct terminal. The problem, as I see it, is one of context: >> clicking the icon happens in the user's context, but it triggers a >> (PHP) script that runs in the web server's context. >> >> Even if you could have apache call the gimp and pass it the correct >> display, you still have the issue of who owns and therefore controls >> the gimp pid. >> >> It's an interesting concept, though, and I'd love to be proven >> wrong...but I just can't see how one would make it work. I don't >> think you can get there from here. >> >> Petre >> >> Debbie Schiel wrote: >> >>> Hi, This is for the PHP gurus... >>> >>> Is there a way to launch an application (eg: 'gimp') via a php script? >>> >>> I'm thinking of an intranet page for Preppies (kindergarten) with >>> icons linked to flash games on external sites but also icons linked >>> to internal applications. So I would need something like: >>> >>> TUX PAINT ICON >>> >>> and then >>> >>> >> some php script here... >>> } >>> ?> >>> >>> I've tried exec() and shell_exec() without success. >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Debbie >>> >>> ps - is this considered 'off topic'? >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Nov 9 01:00:27 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:00:27 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Domain + LTSP 4 Message-ID: <200411090018.iA90I2k26565@downeast.net> gideon: want to try this tomorrow afternon via xchat??i was all set up today but lost you..chuck > Has anyone on the list joined their LTSP server to a Windows domain AND > used removable media? I am having trouble connecting to the samba share > for the rmovable media and suspect that it might be related to windows > networking (ie. being part of a domain, while trying to mount a share on > another workgroup) > > Anybody know anything about this? > > -Gideon > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Nov 9 00:57:20 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:57:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Many are not keen on hearing the calling Message-ID: <419015F0.1000402@cfl.rr.com> Well, as the attached email indicated, it's difficult convincing died in the wool and old-school Microsoft folks to switch to Linux, but I'd thought I'd put it out there for comment. TIA, BC -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Brian Chase Subject: Well, I failed trying to sell to my sister Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:53:56 -0500 Size: 2288 URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Nov 9 01:10:45 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:10:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] When will Redhat's K12LTSP release iso's for x86-64? In-Reply-To: References: <418FBAFB.6040507@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <41901915.3050906@cmosnetworks.com> 1.) Congrats! I wish I could afford such a box. Sadly, all I can do right now are dual Athlons. 2.) Remember that Opterons--for that matter, *all* AMD64 chips--will support the 32-bit version of K12LTSP just fine. Is there something specific that you want/need to do that requires 64-bitness? 3.) Another option would be to load the x86-64 version of any GNU/Linux distro (FC3, SuSE, etc.) and install LTSP on it. Though others on this list may shout gloom and doom at the very notion of installing LTSP, I can assure you, from experience, that it isn't very hard at all. The new LTSP installer, while I haven't yet given it a spin, looks like it makes it even easier than before. --TP Jim McQuillan wrote: >Seems like a great question for the k12osn mailing list. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Brian Chase wrote: > > > >>I just bought a new Dual Opteron, now I find that I really ought to be running >>FC x86-64 on it, since existing K12LTSP distro's support 32-bit only. >> >>Can someone enlighten me or let me know plans for K12LTSP support for my dual >>Opteron Server? >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >>This SF.Net email is sponsored by: >>Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE >>LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. >>http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss >>For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Nov 9 01:32:21 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:32:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Conundrum In-Reply-To: <418FC9C0.40806@cfl.rr.com> References: <003201c4c5c8$b6615660$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <418FC9C0.40806@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <41901E25.8060901@cmosnetworks.com> Brian Chase wrote: > Most likely, you're on a tight budget, and Raid 0/1 capable cards are > much cheaper. For a low-end IDE RAID card I'd recommend the 3ware > 7006-2 with RAID 1 (mirrored). > >> http://www.3ware.com/products/parallel_ata.asp > > >> http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RAID.html > > > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >>> what ide raid level would be best for both redundancy and >>> performance? is that raid 0+1? and would any raid controller do that? >>> >> >> >> RAID 5 would be the best in my opinion. But there is a cost factor >> involved with that as well. Most cards support 0 or 1 or 0+1. If RAID >> 5 takes your cost too high, then I would go 0+1. >> >> --- > Another option would be some SATA drives in "JBOD" mode. There are four-port controllers out there; I know that Highpoint's controllers work fine with the 2.6 kernel. Then, just make a "Linux Kernel Software RAID" when you install K12LTSP. As for those lower-end "hardware RAID" controllers, a lot of Googling and studying up on this very subject has revealed that these are in fact not "hardware RAID" at all. You know how Winmodems and Winprinters have the actual intelligence as a large device driver for Windows that you have to load off the CD? Well, these "hardware RAID" controllers work the same way. They're actually doing it in software, using up your CPU. Oh, and they're Windows-only. This includes the integrated "hardware RAID" controllers build into most motherboards, including the ASUS A7V8X-E. Since it's in software anyway, you'd do just as well to do your software RAID "the Linux way" and let the Linux kernel do it for you. Do true hardware RAID controllers exist, that are supported by the Linux kernel? Sure! But you'll pay a lot more for 'em. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Nov 9 01:22:33 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:22:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Many are not keen on hearing the calling In-Reply-To: <419015F0.1000402@cfl.rr.com> References: <419015F0.1000402@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <41901BD9.7050804@cmosnetworks.com> Yep, that's my district, too. Heck, it seems to be every district and school around here except for one lone school in my area. I've given up on US schools and am now shifting my focus to the Latin Americans. They seem to be considerably more open-minded. I think it will take a government mandate, probably from nothing less than your state/provincial government, to get the local government people to get a move-on. Here's a link that amplifies this truly stupid mindset: http://www.zdnet.co.uk/print/?TYPE=story&AT=39169464-39020390t-10000004c What I find disturbing is that part about your sister's unwillingness to even tell you why. --TP Brian Chase wrote: > Well, as the attached email indicated, it's difficult convincing died > in the wool and old-school Microsoft folks to switch to Linux, but I'd > thought I'd put it out there for comment. > > TIA, > > BC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Well, I failed trying to sell to my sister > From: > Brian Chase > Date: > Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:53:56 -0500 > To: > Steve Hargadon > > To: > Steve Hargadon > > > Steve, > > My sister is a vice-principal in a high school in Connecticut, with a > background in teaching computer and business classes. Maybe she's > worried about nepatism, maybe she just doesn't think enough of me as a > character reference, but my own sister won't even give me contacts for > IT people from within her school system! Wonder if the shoe was on > the other foot how I'd feel..... > > In any event, she won't tell me ANYTHING, she's clammed up. She won't > even tell me why she's so secretive about it, but I only want to help, > don't want to show her or anyone else up, and don't want to soak the > State of Connecticut for it's precious tax dollars. As I understand > it, they are committed Microsoft all the way, but that might not be > the case. > > Anyone else care to crack this nut? > > I'd appreciate any coaching you might provide in the various sales > approaches that you used in this environment over the years. > > Sincerely, > > Brian Chase > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Nov 9 02:17:18 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:17:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Many are not keen on hearing the calling In-Reply-To: <41901BD9.7050804@cmosnetworks.com> References: <419015F0.1000402@cfl.rr.com> <41901BD9.7050804@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <419028AE.8020302@netscape.net> microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > Yep, that's my district, too. Heck, it seems to be every district and > school around here except for one lone school in my area. I've given > up on US schools and am now shifting my focus to the Latin Americans. > They seem to be considerably more open-minded. > > I think it will take a government mandate, probably from nothing less > than your state/provincial government, to get the local government > people to get a move-on. Here's a link that amplifies this truly > stupid mindset: > > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/print/?TYPE=story&AT=39169464-39020390t-10000004c > > What I find disturbing is that part about your sister's unwillingness > to even tell you why. > > --TP > > Brian Chase wrote: > >> Well, as the attached email indicated, it's difficult convincing died >> in the wool and old-school Microsoft folks to switch to Linux, but >> I'd thought I'd put it out there for comment. >> >> TIA, >> >> BC >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> Well, I failed trying to sell to my sister >> From: >> Brian Chase >> Date: >> Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:53:56 -0500 >> To: >> Steve Hargadon >> >> To: >> Steve Hargadon >> >> >> Steve, >> >> My sister is a vice-principal in a high school in Connecticut, with a >> background in teaching computer and business classes. Maybe she's >> worried about nepatism, maybe she just doesn't think enough of me as >> a character reference, but my own sister won't even give me contacts >> for IT people from within her school system! Wonder if the shoe was >> on the other foot how I'd feel..... >> >> In any event, she won't tell me ANYTHING, she's clammed up. She >> won't even tell me why she's so secretive about it, but I only want >> to help, don't want to show her or anyone else up, and don't want to >> soak the State of Connecticut for it's precious tax dollars. As I >> understand it, they are committed Microsoft all the way, but that >> might not be the case. >> >> Anyone else care to crack this nut? >> >> I'd appreciate any coaching you might provide in the various sales >> approaches that you used in this environment over the years. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Brian Chase >> >> >> > > Hi, Might I suggest another possibility, after racking my brains for the past 18 months on demos, presentations & info seminars and getting rave reviews from teachers, principals & students alike. Running very successful pilot projects in the schools & community centres, I now told that the School Boards will NOT proceed with OSS !!!! Now understand that we have had admissions from senior board IT people owing up that K12ltsp would save them hundreds of thousands of $$$$$$ yet still no progress. However some of my "inside" sources are telling me that the issue is not from within the School Boards, nor from the Govt. ! but from "unknown generous donours" that tie their donations ( or payouts) to the continued use of M$ products.............. could this be the cause of the "cone of silence" suddenly being invoked when probing for leads & info in your area too ????? Comments ????? regards norbert From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Nov 9 02:24:05 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:24:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cozy "soak the taxpayer" cone of silence In-Reply-To: <419028AE.8020302@netscape.net> References: <419015F0.1000402@cfl.rr.com> <41901BD9.7050804@cmosnetworks.com> <419028AE.8020302@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41902A45.1030103@cfl.rr.com> You may be onto something here. Could it be the next $1500 toilet seat in a cozy tax fraud scheme? Only further digging will show...... norbert wrote: > microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > >> Yep, that's my district, too. Heck, it seems to be every district >> and school around here except for one lone school in my area. I've >> given up on US schools and am now shifting my focus to the Latin >> Americans. They seem to be considerably more open-minded. >> >> I think it will take a government mandate, probably from nothing less >> than your state/provincial government, to get the local government >> people to get a move-on. Here's a link that amplifies this truly >> stupid mindset: >> >> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/print/?TYPE=story&AT=39169464-39020390t-10000004c >> >> What I find disturbing is that part about your sister's unwillingness >> to even tell you why. >> >> --TP >> >> Brian Chase wrote: >> >>> Well, as the attached email indicated, it's difficult convincing >>> died in the wool and old-school Microsoft folks to switch to Linux, >>> but I'd thought I'd put it out there for comment. >>> >>> TIA, >>> >>> BC >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Subject: >>> Well, I failed trying to sell to my sister >>> From: >>> Brian Chase >>> Date: >>> Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:53:56 -0500 >>> To: >>> Steve Hargadon >>> >>> To: >>> Steve Hargadon >>> >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> My sister is a vice-principal in a high school in Connecticut, with >>> a background in teaching computer and business classes. Maybe she's >>> worried about nepatism, maybe she just doesn't think enough of me as >>> a character reference, but my own sister won't even give me contacts >>> for IT people from within her school system! Wonder if the shoe was >>> on the other foot how I'd feel..... >>> >>> In any event, she won't tell me ANYTHING, she's clammed up. She >>> won't even tell me why she's so secretive about it, but I only want >>> to help, don't want to show her or anyone else up, and don't want to >>> soak the State of Connecticut for it's precious tax dollars. As I >>> understand it, they are committed Microsoft all the way, but that >>> might not be the case. >>> >>> Anyone else care to crack this nut? >>> >>> I'd appreciate any coaching you might provide in the various sales >>> approaches that you used in this environment over the years. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Brian Chase >>> >>> >>> >> >> > Hi, > > Might I suggest another possibility, after racking my brains for the > past 18 months on demos, presentations & info seminars and getting > rave reviews from teachers, principals & students alike. Running very > successful pilot projects in the schools & community centres, I now > told that the School Boards will NOT proceed with OSS !!!! > Now understand that we have had admissions from senior board IT people > owing up that K12ltsp would save them hundreds of thousands of $$$$$$ > yet still no progress. > However some of my "inside" sources are telling me that the issue is > not from within the School Boards, nor from the Govt. ! but from > "unknown generous donours" that tie their donations ( or payouts) to > the continued use of M$ products.............. could this be the cause > of the "cone of silence" suddenly being invoked when probing for leads > & info in your area too ????? > > Comments ????? > > regards > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Nov 9 02:32:01 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:32:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cozy "soak the taxpayer" cone of silence In-Reply-To: <41902A45.1030103@cfl.rr.com> References: <419015F0.1000402@cfl.rr.com> <41901BD9.7050804@cmosnetworks.com> <419028AE.8020302@netscape.net> <41902A45.1030103@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <41902C21.9070509@cfl.rr.com> "No child left behind!", this sounds more like no rich, lazy beaurocrat left behind to me. Someone of real authority ought to take a stand here, or leave it to the markets......hmmm..which is better/worse? Brian Chase wrote: > You may be onto something here. > > Could it be the next $1500 toilet seat in a cozy tax fraud scheme? > > Only further digging will show...... > > norbert wrote: > >> microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: >> >>> Yep, that's my district, too. Heck, it seems to be every district >>> and school around here except for one lone school in my area. I've >>> given up on US schools and am now shifting my focus to the Latin >>> Americans. They seem to be considerably more open-minded. >>> >>> I think it will take a government mandate, probably from nothing >>> less than your state/provincial government, to get the local >>> government people to get a move-on. Here's a link that amplifies >>> this truly stupid mindset: >>> >>> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/print/?TYPE=story&AT=39169464-39020390t-10000004c >>> >>> >>> What I find disturbing is that part about your sister's >>> unwillingness to even tell you why. >>> >>> --TP >>> >>> Brian Chase wrote: >>> >>>> Well, as the attached email indicated, it's difficult convincing >>>> died in the wool and old-school Microsoft folks to switch to Linux, >>>> but I'd thought I'd put it out there for comment. >>>> >>>> TIA, >>>> >>>> BC >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> Subject: >>>> Well, I failed trying to sell to my sister >>>> From: >>>> Brian Chase >>>> Date: >>>> Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:53:56 -0500 >>>> To: >>>> Steve Hargadon >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Steve Hargadon >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve, >>>> >>>> My sister is a vice-principal in a high school in Connecticut, with >>>> a background in teaching computer and business classes. Maybe >>>> she's worried about nepatism, maybe she just doesn't think enough >>>> of me as a character reference, but my own sister won't even give >>>> me contacts for IT people from within her school system! Wonder if >>>> the shoe was on the other foot how I'd feel..... >>>> >>>> In any event, she won't tell me ANYTHING, she's clammed up. She >>>> won't even tell me why she's so secretive about it, but I only want >>>> to help, don't want to show her or anyone else up, and don't want >>>> to soak the State of Connecticut for it's precious tax dollars. As >>>> I understand it, they are committed Microsoft all the way, but that >>>> might not be the case. >>>> >>>> Anyone else care to crack this nut? >>>> >>>> I'd appreciate any coaching you might provide in the various sales >>>> approaches that you used in this environment over the years. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Brian Chase >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> Hi, >> >> Might I suggest another possibility, after racking my brains for the >> past 18 months on demos, presentations & info seminars and getting >> rave reviews from teachers, principals & students alike. Running very >> successful pilot projects in the schools & community centres, I now >> told that the School Boards will NOT proceed with OSS !!!! >> Now understand that we have had admissions from senior board IT >> people owing up that K12ltsp would save them hundreds of thousands of >> $$$$$$ yet still no progress. >> However some of my "inside" sources are telling me that the issue is >> not from within the School Boards, nor from the Govt. ! but from >> "unknown generous donours" that tie their donations ( or payouts) to >> the continued use of M$ products.............. could this be the >> cause of the "cone of silence" suddenly being invoked when probing >> for leads & info in your area too ????? >> >> Comments ????? >> >> regards >> norbert >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ddaniels at magic.fr Tue Nov 9 03:40:00 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:40:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Greetings from LTSP-by-the-Sea! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41903C10.3010108@magic.fr> Curiosity peaked on the next Linux World I found it here: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12BOS05A/ Any thoughts/ words on the XDMCP and NFS linking? The ability to add lots of low-mid end servers to an existing network is very tantalizing for the low/no budget folks like myself... Does the skolelinux distro you mention handle this better? Nice write-up on the event David! Thanks for taking the time to share! Dennis David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm reporting live from Day 3 (Sunday) of the weekend dev-hackathon in > Southwest Harbor, Maine USA. There are many noted K12LTSP and LTSP folks > are here hackiing away. Some accomplishments (understand that many of > these items still have a lot of development that needs to be done...so > don't expect them to be released tomorrow...*grin*) ....a considerable > amount of progress has been made in the areas of hardware/automounting/usb > keys (let's put it this way...it works, but now there's more testing to be > done...but essentially you stick in the USB thumbdrive....and click on > it...that simple...same for almost any other device). We have NX > working....in fact we used my server here at VCS as the guinea pig....much > testing needs to be done, but it works. Considerable thought was put into > mapping out local apps and progress is being made as to the best way to > implement that and make it simple. It was determined that we have all the > pieces for observe/demo/remote control solution similar to Apple Remote > Desktop...or various other PC alternatives such as Vision...etc. It's a > matter of packaging at this point, but it does work and it's quite slick! > It's amazing what a cobbled together wireless network and a hodge-podge of > laptops...combined with folks from as far away as Portland, OR and > Norway...can accomplish on beer, lobster, and very little sleep! > > Samba/LDAP was discussed at length...various ideas were tossed around, but > one awesome thing we learned is that the folks at SkoleLinux (aka Debian > EDU)....Ragnar Wisloff...the guy from Norway....they have put together a > distro that has Samba/LDAP already running with a slick web interface. If > I didn't already have one running....I'd simply install this....set it > up....export the home directories and be in business. You can add users > via a text file as well for bulk import. I encourage you to visit the > skolelinux site http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/ in addition to > being a very cool server...it is also an LTSP server distro as > well...depending on you set it up (which profile you choose). > > So! As you can see things were accomplished and hopefully many of you > (us) will see the fruits of this labor prior to Linux World in February! > I learned a lot from these guys and was thrilled to be able to be a small > part of it (I was on the NX team). Hopefully we'll have some pics real > soon! Many thanks to Chuck Liebow for hosting us....The folks at the > SeaWall Motel....the folks from DisklessWorkstations.com and Lumensoftware > for sponsoring Sat. nights feast....and everyone who attended for all you > do.....and most of all to everyone out there who is a part of this awesome > Open Source community! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Tue Nov 9 03:43:58 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:43:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Many are not keen on hearing the calling In-Reply-To: <419028AE.8020302@netscape.net> References: <419015F0.1000402@cfl.rr.com> <41901BD9.7050804@cmosnetworks.com> <419028AE.8020302@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41903CFE.10501@magic.fr> My district is definitely receiving large discounts to stay with MS. I was told by my boss that if I went with MS Classroom Server the supe would see to it that I get a "real-network" and not the one that I put together with donations. Go figure. I too have started looking overseas for work environments that are more conducive to solutions rather than status-quo. dgd norbert wrote: > microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > >> Yep, that's my district, too. Heck, it seems to be every district and >> school around here except for one lone school in my area. I've given >> up on US schools and am now shifting my focus to the Latin Americans. >> They seem to be considerably more open-minded. >> >> I think it will take a government mandate, probably from nothing less >> than your state/provincial government, to get the local government >> people to get a move-on. Here's a link that amplifies this truly >> stupid mindset: >> >> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/print/?TYPE=story&AT=39169464-39020390t-10000004c >> >> What I find disturbing is that part about your sister's unwillingness >> to even tell you why. >> >> --TP >> >> Brian Chase wrote: >> >>> Well, as the attached email indicated, it's difficult convincing died >>> in the wool and old-school Microsoft folks to switch to Linux, but >>> I'd thought I'd put it out there for comment. >>> >>> TIA, >>> >>> BC >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: >>> Well, I failed trying to sell to my sister >>> From: >>> Brian Chase >>> Date: >>> Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:53:56 -0500 >>> To: >>> Steve Hargadon >>> >>> To: >>> Steve Hargadon >>> >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> My sister is a vice-principal in a high school in Connecticut, with a >>> background in teaching computer and business classes. Maybe she's >>> worried about nepatism, maybe she just doesn't think enough of me as >>> a character reference, but my own sister won't even give me contacts >>> for IT people from within her school system! Wonder if the shoe was >>> on the other foot how I'd feel..... >>> >>> In any event, she won't tell me ANYTHING, she's clammed up. She >>> won't even tell me why she's so secretive about it, but I only want >>> to help, don't want to show her or anyone else up, and don't want to >>> soak the State of Connecticut for it's precious tax dollars. As I >>> understand it, they are committed Microsoft all the way, but that >>> might not be the case. >>> >>> Anyone else care to crack this nut? >>> >>> I'd appreciate any coaching you might provide in the various sales >>> approaches that you used in this environment over the years. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Brian Chase >>> >>> >>> >> >> > Hi, > > Might I suggest another possibility, after racking my brains for the > past 18 months on demos, presentations & info seminars and getting rave > reviews from teachers, principals & students alike. Running very > successful pilot projects in the schools & community centres, I now told > that the School Boards will NOT proceed with OSS !!!! > Now understand that we have had admissions from senior board IT people > owing up that K12ltsp would save them hundreds of thousands of $$$$$$ > yet still no progress. > However some of my "inside" sources are telling me that the issue is not > from within the School Boards, nor from the Govt. ! but from "unknown > generous donours" that tie their donations ( or payouts) to the > continued use of M$ products.............. could this be the cause of > the "cone of silence" suddenly being invoked when probing for leads & > info in your area too ????? > > Comments ????? > > regards > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robowens at myway.com Tue Nov 9 11:06:45 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:06:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Many are not keen on hearing the calling Message-ID: <20041109110645.72DA239BB@mprdmxin.myway.com> Maybe a nice editorial about OSS in the local newspaper is in order. Keep it short so people will read it, but try to include a successful case study, and perhaps an internet link where they could learn more if they wish. Educate the public about it, and eventually they may start showing up at school board meetings asking why it's not being used. I realize it's not a quick solution. The quick solution would be to keep hounding your sister and maybe tell her how she fits into some of your conspiracy theories... -Rob --- On Mon 11/08, Brian Chase < networkr0 at cfl.rr.com > wrote: From: Brian Chase [mailto: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com, ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net, schoolforge-discuss at schoolforge.net Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:57:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Many are not keen on hearing the calling Well, as the attached email indicated, it's difficult convincing died in
the wool and old-school Microsoft folks to switch to Linux, but I'd
thought I'd put it out there for comment.

TIA,

BC
> --- Begin Attached Message--- Steve,

My sister is a vice-principal in a high school in Connecticut, with a
background in teaching computer and business classes. Maybe she's
worried about nepatism, maybe she just doesn't think enough of me as a
character reference, but my own sister won't even give me contacts for
IT people from within her school system! Wonder if the shoe was on the
other foot how I'd feel.....

In any event, she won't tell me ANYTHING, she's clammed up. She won't
even tell me why she's so secretive about it, but I only want to help,
don't want to show her or anyone else up, and don't want to soak the
State of Connecticut for it's precious tax dollars. As I understand it,
they are committed Microsoft all the way, but that might not be the case.

Anyone else care to crack this nut?

I'd appreciate any coaching you might provide in the various sales
approaches that you used in this environment over the years.

Since! rely,

Brian Chase
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For more info see _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 9 14:08:28 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:08:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] launch an application via php script? In-Reply-To: <418FF4B1.7090303@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <418C6AC0.7090608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <418F94E7.9010407@maltzen.net> <418FAC64.80004@paasda.org> <418FF4B1.7090303@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <4190CF5C.3090307@maltzen.net> If the objective is just to allow the kids to fire up, say, the gimp by clicking on an icon within Mozilla, one possibility might be to define a new MIME type within Mozilla and then set the helper application for that MIME type to be the gimp. In the same way that PDF files automatically trigger xpdf (which you can change so that, say, AcroRead is triggered), you'd need to create some sort of file, give it a link on the webpage, and configure Mozilla to automatically launch the gimp when that file type is encountered. The downside is you wouldn't want to make that file a .gif or .png or .jpg because that would interfere with Mozilla simply displaying those types which is presumably what you want it to do most of the time. That's why you'll have to come up with your own file. Call it .deb and tell Moz to launch the gimp whenever it encounters a .deb file (granted, Debian uses .deb files, but I'm assuming the kids won't really run into those.) ;-) Petre Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi - Thanks for the replies. What you all say about php being > server-side so can't activate local apps makes sense, so I tried a > different search, and found: > > http://www.whirlywiryweb.com/q/%2Flaunchinie.asp > "...LaunchinIE ActiveX Control that will enable HTML pages to start > whatever application on the client's machine, without security warnings. > To ensure security, LaunchinIE needs to be carefully configured > client-side; due to this restriction it's only fit for intranet use." > > But it seems like it's only for (ew!) internet explorer... > > I'll keep looking though and reply with the solution when I find it. > > Debbie > > Huck wrote: > >> can you actually open an executable via tag? >> I tried...it asked me where I wanted to save the executable... >> (was on a windows machine) dunno how linux will handle it... >> >> Javascript might be able to launch something for you ? >> >> --Huck, not even a mid-level web programmer =) >> >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> I don't think this can be done, at least not with PHP (or CGI, >>> etc.). PHP is a server-side scripting language, meaning whatever is >>> called is owned by the server ID; I think you want, say, the gimp >>> session to be owned by the user who clicks on an icon. I can't think >>> of any way that you could pass the $DISPLAY variable to the server, >>> that the server would be able to make sense of, such that the gimp >>> would appear on the correct terminal. The problem, as I see it, is >>> one of context: clicking the icon happens in the user's context, but >>> it triggers a (PHP) script that runs in the web server's context. >>> >>> Even if you could have apache call the gimp and pass it the correct >>> display, you still have the issue of who owns and therefore controls >>> the gimp pid. >>> >>> It's an interesting concept, though, and I'd love to be proven >>> wrong...but I just can't see how one would make it work. I don't >>> think you can get there from here. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Debbie Schiel wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, This is for the PHP gurus... >>>> >>>> Is there a way to launch an application (eg: 'gimp') via a php script? >>>> >>>> I'm thinking of an intranet page for Preppies (kindergarten) with >>>> icons linked to flash games on external sites but also icons linked >>>> to internal applications. So I would need something like: >>>> >>>> TUX PAINT ICON >>>> >>>> and then >>>> >>>> >>> some php script here... >>>> } >>>> ?> >>>> >>>> I've tried exec() and shell_exec() without success. >>>> Any ideas? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Debbie >>>> >>>> ps - is this considered 'off topic'? >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 9 14:48:44 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:48:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] When will Redhat's K12LTSP releaseiso's for x86-64? In-Reply-To: <41901915.3050906@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000601c4c66b$35f167b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > 3.) Another option would be to load the x86-64 version of > any GNU/Linux > distro (FC3, SuSE, etc.) and install LTSP on it. Though > others on this > list may shout gloom and doom at the very notion of > installing LTSP, I > can assure you, from experience, that it isn't very hard at all. The > new LTSP installer, while I haven't yet given it a spin, > looks like it > makes it even easier than before. The only Doom and Gloom I have had with it is it doesn't seem as complete. If I remember most of the Edutainment programs are missing by default. But it was easy to install the couple times I tried it. I just wish it was as all inclusive of an add-on as what comes with the K12LTSP bundle. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 11/9/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 9 15:02:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:02:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cozy "soak the taxpayer" cone of silence In-Reply-To: <41902C21.9070509@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4c66d$10fdf430$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > "No child left behind!", this sounds more like no rich, lazy > beaurocrat > left behind to me. > > Someone of real authority ought to take a stand here, or > leave it to the > markets......hmmm..which is better/worse? In recent elections in our town there was a proposal for a "Learning Levy" to raise millions for the school district and bring them back on track. This would raise your homeowners taxes $150 per year for every $100,000 your home was worth. It didn't pass but was close. This is where my moral dilemma lies. On one hand I want to give money to the schools and help fund my childs future in education (and others). But on the other I feel that most schools are fiscally irresponsible. If we pass a levy to help them out financially, they won't have a reason to shape up. But on the other hand if they haven't gotten it together by now, they probably won't, and our kids are the ones who suffer for their ignorance. So my latest plan was to donate a K12LTSP lab to a new (very small) high school that just started in town last year. The board for this school is comprised of all sorts of people Brian is saying need to take a stand. They have 20 students and I donated a lab of 20 computers, one for every student with the only stipulation that they help us get a front page article in the newspaper about how OSS is helping their school and how other schools could save big if they follow suit. I figure this angle will carry some major weight since it won't be coming from me but from respected community members. We'll see what happens. 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From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 9 17:31:23 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:31:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Many are not keen on hearing the calling In-Reply-To: <419028AE.8020302@netscape.net> References: <419015F0.1000402@cfl.rr.com> <41901BD9.7050804@cmosnetworks.com> <419028AE.8020302@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4190FEEB.4080002@paasda.org> The main private school I support was donated 20k and I quote "to make the teaching computer lab as good or better than one of our elementary schools". so 21 17" LCD's were bought(the elementary school only has CRT's atm)...and will be upgrading their computers from AMD 2000+'s with 256 megs of ram and 40 gig hd's. to P4's with 512 megs of ram, and dvd-burners(only stats I've been give atm)...as if what they currently have will not run MS-Office, XP, Photoshop elements, VB.NET, and a web browser without any kludge what-so-ever...Oh and purchase a color laser printer.(most likely going OVER the 20k donation) with 12k I could make it better than the elementary school, recover 6k of the 12k after 3yrs in energy savings have zero 'white noise' from fans and hd's... use OO, Gimp, and pick 1(but why stop with one?) of a plethora of programming languages better than VB.NET... But no, they'd rather go ahead and encourage slavery even if the kids can't afford these programs at home. --Huck norbert wrote: > microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > >> Yep, that's my district, too. Heck, it seems to be every district >> and school around here except for one lone school in my area. I've >> given up on US schools and am now shifting my focus to the Latin >> Americans. They seem to be considerably more open-minded. >> >> I think it will take a government mandate, probably from nothing less >> than your state/provincial government, to get the local government >> people to get a move-on. Here's a link that amplifies this truly >> stupid mindset: >> >> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/print/?TYPE=story&AT=39169464-39020390t-10000004c >> >> What I find disturbing is that part about your sister's unwillingness >> to even tell you why. >> >> --TP >> >> Brian Chase wrote: >> >>> Well, as the attached email indicated, it's difficult convincing >>> died in the wool and old-school Microsoft folks to switch to Linux, >>> but I'd thought I'd put it out there for comment. >>> >>> TIA, >>> >>> BC >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Subject: >>> Well, I failed trying to sell to my sister >>> From: >>> Brian Chase >>> Date: >>> Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:53:56 -0500 >>> To: >>> Steve Hargadon >>> >>> To: >>> Steve Hargadon >>> >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> My sister is a vice-principal in a high school in Connecticut, with >>> a background in teaching computer and business classes. Maybe she's >>> worried about nepatism, maybe she just doesn't think enough of me as >>> a character reference, but my own sister won't even give me contacts >>> for IT people from within her school system! Wonder if the shoe was >>> on the other foot how I'd feel..... >>> >>> In any event, she won't tell me ANYTHING, she's clammed up. She >>> won't even tell me why she's so secretive about it, but I only want >>> to help, don't want to show her or anyone else up, and don't want to >>> soak the State of Connecticut for it's precious tax dollars. As I >>> understand it, they are committed Microsoft all the way, but that >>> might not be the case. >>> >>> Anyone else care to crack this nut? >>> >>> I'd appreciate any coaching you might provide in the various sales >>> approaches that you used in this environment over the years. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Brian Chase >>> >>> >>> >> >> > Hi, > > Might I suggest another possibility, after racking my brains for the > past 18 months on demos, presentations & info seminars and getting > rave reviews from teachers, principals & students alike. Running very > successful pilot projects in the schools & community centres, I now > told that the School Boards will NOT proceed with OSS !!!! > Now understand that we have had admissions from senior board IT people > owing up that K12ltsp would save them hundreds of thousands of $$$$$$ > yet still no progress. > However some of my "inside" sources are telling me that the issue is > not from within the School Boards, nor from the Govt. ! but from > "unknown generous donours" that tie their donations ( or payouts) to > the continued use of M$ products.............. could this be the cause > of the "cone of silence" suddenly being invoked when probing for leads > & info in your area too ????? > > Comments ????? > > regards > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 9 17:38:27 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:38:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] When will Redhat's K12LTSP releaseiso's for x86-64? In-Reply-To: <000601c4c66b$35f167b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000601c4c66b$35f167b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1100021906.21984.60.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 08:48, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > 3.) Another option would be to load the x86-64 version of > > any GNU/Linux > > distro (FC3, SuSE, etc.) and install LTSP on it. > The only Doom and Gloom I have had with it is it doesn't seem as > complete. If I remember most of the Edutainment programs are missing by > default. But it was easy to install the couple times I tried it. I > just wish it was as all inclusive of an add-on as what comes with the > K12LTSP bundle. There has been some discussion here before about making the k12ltsp packaging into meta-packages that pull in all the required RPMs and configure them. It's pretty close now, but some small changes should let you install a stock fedora/RH/centos distribution, adjust your yum/apt config to point to the right repository and use yum or apt to add the ltsp and/or edutainment parts. However the x86-64 versions might be a problem unless a special repository copy is maintained. I think there are still issues with trying to mix repositories that have 64 and 32 bit versions of the same things. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nbs at sonic.net Tue Nov 9 17:59:18 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:59:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Cozy "soak the taxpayer" cone of silence In-Reply-To: <000d01c4c66d$10fdf430$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <41902C21.9070509@cfl.rr.com> <000d01c4c66d$10fdf430$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20041109175918.GB7028@sonic.net> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 09:02:01AM -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > the only stipulation that they help us get a > front page article in the newspaper about how OSS is helping their > school and how other schools could save big if they follow suit. I > figure this angle will carry some major weight since it won't be coming > from me but from respected community members. Awesome. Good luck! :^) > We'll see what happens. If things go well I'll post the article to the > forum for you guys. Please do! -bill! From Eric_Neiwert at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us Tue Nov 9 18:25:22 2004 From: Eric_Neiwert at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us (Eric Neiwert) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:25:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction and PXES question Message-ID: Greetings Having been a Macintosh administrator for the last 9 years of my professional career I am taking the plunge into using Linux lab to solve some problems I have faced with our statewide testing we have here in Oregon. This year every students will test at least twice in front of a computer as all statewide testing is done using a computer and a network connection. Over the past two years this has taken the lab away from classroom integration and turned it over to testing. I needed a network solution that was inexpensive and flexible so that I can continue to teach language arts, science, math, and social studies using our computers. So I am piloting a lab for the district using the k12ltsp server. I have been working on establishing a lab of thin client machines using a mish mash of older computers that were being surplused out by our high school. They have a variety of network cards and monitors so making a boot floppy for each one was going to be problematic. I have the server set up and it is working well. I also have been able to use the PXES boot CD for the client machines (a simple solution in that the CD image has most ethernet cards defined already) The only problem is that the default boot method on the PXES image doesn't find the server and I have to choose XDM to get it to find and boot from the server. (I can't just boot it up and let it run but have to intervene in the boot up of each machine) Has anyone used the PXES image to boot from a CD for clients of the k12ltsp server? Has anyone been successful in getting either the default method of logging in with the pxes image to work with the server or customized the image to only boot using XDM or some other successful boot method? I have been struggling to figure out how to customize the image even though the author has provided documentation, a configuration folder, and the iso boot image on his web site. I may just revert to putting a boot partition on the hard drive of red hat and have it log in but would like to get this option to work for me. Here is the web site where I got PXES from... http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ A "how to" to configure the iso boot image... http://pxes.sourceforge.net/howtos/Creating_a_Custom_RDP_ISO_Image.pdf The downloads for the iso image and the config files. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=45684&package_id=38453&release_id=258546 Eric Neiwert 7th grade humanities Technology Coordinator Gordon Russell Middle School http://russell.gresham.k12.or.us Gresham-Barlow School District Gresham, OR From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 9 19:58:44 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:58:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction and PXES question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100030323.25230.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 12:25, Eric Neiwert wrote: > I also have been able to use the PXES boot CD for the client machines (a simple solution in that the CD image has most ethernet cards defined already) > The only problem is that the default boot method on the PXES image doesn't find the server and I have to choose XDM to get it to find and boot from the server. (I can't just boot it up and let it run but have to intervene in the boot up of each > machine) Have you tried the universal boot floppy from the thinstation project? http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/download.html The only thing better is likely to be booting a knoppix CD with 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt, followed by X -query server when you get the command prompt. If someone is going to modify an iso image, that's probably the one to tackle so you get pcmcia and wireless support too. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 9 21:06:46 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:06:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Has anyone used Zope with Apache as Frontend Message-ID: <20041109210646.73110.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> I would like to know if anyone has used Zope with Apache as a Frontend? I am interested because I think I understand that you can have interactive web pages. Where someone can make changes from anywhere in the world. Interested to know if it is similiar to having PHP and MySQL? I am running Fedora and Apache on my web server. Thank you for your help. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 21:52:37 2004 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:52:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Has anyone used Zope with Apache as Frontend In-Reply-To: <20041109210646.73110.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041109210646.73110.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92de6c88041109135221d5b49@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:06:46 -0800 (PST), Jennifer Waters wrote: > I would like to know if anyone has used Zope with > Apache as a Frontend? I am interested because I think > I understand that you can have interactive web pages. > Where someone can make changes from anywhere in the > world. Interested to know if it is similiar to having > PHP and MySQL? I've used Apache as a front end to Zope. Generally this just means that Apache redirects requests to the Zope web server. You can think of Zope as a self-contained system that encompasses what Apache/PHP/MySQL do in combination. You're probably specifically interested in Plone (http://plone.org), which is a content management system built on top of Zope. Compared to most similar PHP CMS's, Plone is more oriented toward the needs of primarily brick and mortar enterprises like schools. I'd recommend that you kick the tires at plone.org their demo site. If you want to get serious about it, I *strongly* recommend buying the recently published Definitive Guide to Plone. --Tom From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Tue Nov 9 21:09:15 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:09:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Has anyone used Zope with Apache as Frontend In-Reply-To: <20041109210646.73110.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041109210646.73110.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33353.68.115.172.62.1100034555.squirrel@68.115.172.62> Our site is plone/zope based. We use apache as the primary websever and redirect to the plone site on the same box. michael > I would like to know if anyone has used Zope with > Apache as a Frontend? I am interested because I think > I understand that you can have interactive web pages. > Where someone can make changes from anywhere in the > world. Interested to know if it is similiar to having > PHP and MySQL? > > I am running Fedora and Apache on my web server. > > Thank you for your help. > > Jennifer Our site is plone/zope based. http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us We use apache as the primary websever and redirect to the plone site on the same box. It does allow many people to maintin different areas of the site. michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From wescott_mike at emc.com Tue Nov 9 22:53:29 2004 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:53:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Disk Druid Blunder. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:19:27 MST." <41874.10.1.2.1.1099930767.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <200411092253.iA9MrTUC010049@strange.us.dg.com> > I installed k12ltsp and formatted all partitions except /stor. The problem > is that I forgot to activate the partitions or something along these lines > because now that the machine is all up and running i can't mount /stor or > anything. I was able to view the partition table: > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hda1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux > /dev/hda2 14 778 6144862+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda3 779 905 1020127+ 82 Linux swap > ::/dev/hda4 906 4865 31808700 f W95 Ext'd (LBA):: > ::/dev/hda5 906 4865 31808668+ 83 Linux :: > [root at lecturehall root]# Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 3157, errno = 0 > > My question is how to mount the old /stor? >From the looks of the partition table, your current setup has /dev/hda1 as /boot, /dev/hda2 as / (root), and /dev/hda3 as swap, with /dev/hda5 unused. >From the command line use "swapon -s" to verify that /dev/hda3 is being used for swap. Use "mount" or "df -kl" to verify that / and /boot are /dev/hda2 and /dev/hda1 respectively; and that /dev/hda4 and /dev/hda5 are not in use. To mount /stor, first create /stor with "mkdir /stor" and then "mount /dev/hda5 /stor". To make it permanent, add the following line to /etc/fstab: /dev/hda5 /stor ext3 defaults 0 2 If /stor is old enough, you might have to replace "ext3" with "ext2". -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Wed Nov 10 01:50:51 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:50:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Damn, they are moving fast Message-ID: <419173FB.7090803@cfl.rr.com> Well, there's another Fedora Core out, FC3, featuring new Gnome and KDE, and other goodies like wireless tools and SE Linux, which is a major security enhancement. Any of you KDE fans that use KWallet, now there's a Keyring application in Gnome which operates similarly, which give some competition to KDE. I still prefer using Kget integration with Konqueror for mirror downloads, but you can do that fine in Gnome so it looks like I'll be sticking with Gnome for awhile. Firefox and Thunderbird are also included. Oh, yeah, another very cool and valuable feature, the email program that looks just like Outlook called Evolution now has the ability to connect directly to a Microsoft Exchange server and use all the groupware functions on it, not that I've been able to test it, but it's got the selection in "server type". This is pretty major for introducing Linux in large corporate environments and not short-changing those that use Linux from participating in shared tasks, calendar items, and public folders. Not sure what this means, but FC3 partitioning looks very different, didn't get screenshot, but I think it uses LVM by default. Logical Volume Management, hmmm. Just started reading about it but don't know the benefits yet. Comments....? Just loaded the new 64-bit version on the Opteron box, pretty sweet, but still has similar look and feel. Had it loaded now for just a day, so I'm sure I'll find a few more things that could use improvement. Other than that, no major breakthrough's in my Linux work, except maybe for the squirrelmail plug ins, enabling full groupware functionality on my webmail pages. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Nov 10 02:46:18 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:46:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] When will Redhat's K12LTSP releaseiso's for x86-64? In-Reply-To: <000601c4c66b$35f167b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000601c4c66b$35f167b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <419180FA.5090709@cmosnetworks.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>3.) Another option would be to load the x86-64 version of >>any GNU/Linux >>distro (FC3, SuSE, etc.) and install LTSP on it. Though >>others on this >>list may shout gloom and doom at the very notion of >>installing LTSP, I >>can assure you, from experience, that it isn't very hard at all. The >>new LTSP installer, while I haven't yet given it a spin, >>looks like it >>makes it even easier than before. >> >> > >The only Doom and Gloom I have had with it is it doesn't seem as >complete. If I remember most of the Edutainment programs are missing by >default. But it was easy to install the couple times I tried it. I >just wish it was as all inclusive of an add-on as what comes with the >K12LTSP bundle. > > I guess it depends on who your audience is. For middle and high school students, you probably don't need them. My middle school kids, as an example, use OO.o, Mozilla and/or Firefox, and the GIMP. They really don't need more than that to do their classwork. Thus, LTSP would be just as fine for them as K12LTSP. If you're dead-set on these "edutainment" programs, then perhaps you might want to stick with the 32-bit K12LTSP instead of going for 64 bits. Again, that hot new Opteron server will handle 32-bit systems just fine...and fast as all heck, too. I guess I keep coming back to Paul Nelson's comment about Reader Rabbit and similar software ("I just don't think we need to go there."). I've asked this before, because I'd really like to know: can some of the teachers on the list here clarify to me why the like of Reader Rabbit is deemed "necessary" these days? I ask because I and the other kids in my school learned just fine the "old-fashioned" way, that is, with actual books, back when Reader Rabbit, etc. didn't yet exist. Thanks, --TP From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Nov 10 03:38:28 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:38:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Damn, they are moving fast In-Reply-To: <419173FB.7090803@cfl.rr.com> References: <419173FB.7090803@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1100057908.4754.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 20:50 -0500, Brian Chase wrote: > Not sure what this means, but FC3 partitioning looks very different, > didn't get screenshot, but I think it uses LVM by default. Logical > Volume Management, hmmm. Just started reading about it but don't know > the benefits yet. Comments....? Virtualization of volumes means you're less limited by physical disks and partitioning as a method of assigning storage. You can slice and dice volumes more ways (as well as append one disk to another, etc.), and do so dynamically w/o necessarily b0rking your data, at least when used w/ a filesystem that can be resized. Ext3 and XFS I know can do this, though I think XFS can grow only, not shrink. FC3 also includes _online_ resize for ext3: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/RELEASE-NOTES-en.html So if you run out of disk space for /home, slap more disks into your hotplug SCSI backplane, label as LVM, pvcreate, vgextend, lvextend, and extend /home. That's the concept, anyway. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From hmenjivar at aeromillas.com Wed Nov 10 04:06:56 2004 From: hmenjivar at aeromillas.com (=?Windows-1252?Q?H=E9ctor_Menjivar?=) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:06:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question In-Reply-To: <419180FA.5090709@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000001c4c6da$b9f5cb40$0100a8c0@andhe01> Hi: Can you help me to run windows 2003 terminal services on thin clients attached to a k12 ltsp Hector --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 10 04:24:40 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:24:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] When will Redhat's K12LTSP releaseiso's for x86-64? In-Reply-To: <419180FA.5090709@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, [windows-1252] "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: >Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >>>3.) Another option would be to load the x86-64 version of >>>any GNU/Linux >>>distro (FC3, SuSE, etc.) and install LTSP on it. >>The only Doom and Gloom I have had with it is it doesn't seem as >>complete. If I remember most of the Edutainment programs are missing by >>default. But it was easy to install the couple times I tried it. I >>just wish it was as all inclusive of an add-on as what comes with the >>K12LTSP bundle. >I guess it depends on who your audience is. For middle and high school >students, you probably don't need them. My middle school kids, as an >example, use OO.o, Mozilla and/or Firefox, and the GIMP. They really >don't need more than that to do their classwork. Thus, LTSP would be >just as fine for them as K12LTSP. If you're dead-set on these >"edutainment" programs, then perhaps you might want to stick with the >32-bit K12LTSP instead of going for 64 bits. Again, that hot new >Opteron server will handle 32-bit systems just fine...and fast as all >heck, too. I'll be testing this with the FC3 build of K12LTSP (which I *should* be working on right now, but the jet-lag is hitting me hard ;-). The theory is that the K12LTSP-specific binaries should install just fine on the x86-64 build of FC3. I have one school district that is now buying Opterons. In 32bit mode, they are so much faster than Xeons that it is simply embarrasing. A dual 1.6Ghz Opteron box is clearly faster than a dual 2.8Ghz Xeon box. We did some testing with FC1 & FC2 in 64bit mode, but there were too many gotchas*. We'll see how FC3 fairs. With Intel following AMD's taillights, within a year 64bit support will MUCH more common than it is right now. If you have Opertons and find you need to drop back to pure 32-bit software, do not dispair, I don't think it will be long before all the gotchas are ironned out. In the meantime, they are still really fast. -Eric * gotchas were mostly related to third-party software, such as the lack of a x86-64 Java VM... which now exists... From ddaniels at magic.fr Wed Nov 10 05:47:22 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:47:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Damn, they are moving fast In-Reply-To: <419173FB.7090803@cfl.rr.com> References: <419173FB.7090803@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4191AB6A.1070907@magic.fr> How well does it support XDMCP choosers and NFS? It might be great for the desktop but as a server __FC2__ is still not very well documented... wireless in FC2 clearly lacked basics. I'm hoping FC3 will do better... that said I just loaded knoppix 3.6 and it picked up my internal wireless and had no problem with my three pcimca cards... I can't say that for FC2 :/ Report back on your findings! I'd be interested in hearin how the install fairs for you. best Denny Brian Chase wrote: > Well, there's another Fedora Core out, FC3, featuring new Gnome and KDE, > and other goodies like wireless tools and SE Linux, which is a major > security enhancement. Any of you KDE fans that use KWallet, now there's > a Keyring application in Gnome which operates similarly, which give some > competition to KDE. I still prefer using Kget integration with > Konqueror for mirror downloads, but you can do that fine in Gnome so it > looks like I'll be sticking with Gnome for awhile. Firefox and > Thunderbird are also included. > > Oh, yeah, another very cool and valuable feature, the email program that > looks just like Outlook called Evolution now has the ability to connect > directly to a Microsoft Exchange server and use all the groupware > functions on it, not that I've been able to test it, but it's got the > selection in "server type". This is pretty major for introducing Linux > in large corporate environments and not short-changing those that use > Linux from participating in shared tasks, calendar items, and public > folders. > > Not sure what this means, but FC3 partitioning looks very different, > didn't get screenshot, but I think it uses LVM by default. Logical > Volume Management, hmmm. Just started reading about it but don't know > the benefits yet. Comments....? > > Just loaded the new 64-bit version on the Opteron box, pretty sweet, but > still has similar look and feel. Had it loaded now for just a day, so > I'm sure I'll find a few more things that could use improvement. > > Other than that, no major breakthrough's in my Linux work, except maybe > for the squirrelmail plug ins, enabling full groupware functionality on > my webmail pages. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Wed Nov 10 06:04:20 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:04:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite In-Reply-To: <04Nov7.030444cet.87210@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Nov7.030444cet.87210@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <60393.195.84.143.98.1100066660.squirrel@195.84.143.98> Hi! After having tossed cmsimple into my web server i can only agree. Its very easy to use and install. I find it very nice as an entry CMS system or for those without the time to install a bigger one based on *SQL. /cheers daniel > Gee, all sorts of ideas... > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Frederik Dannemare > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:09 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web Site Authoring Suite > > On Monday 01 November 2004 20:42, Mark Cockrell wrote: >> Hello all, >> One of the many hats I wear at my school is that of Webmaster. >> In the past I've always hand-coded the site in a text-editor, and that > >> works well for me. But, I'd like to allow my teachers and student >> organizations to create and maintain their own Web pages. >> Since most of them don't have any idea how to code in HTML, I'm >> looking for something that will allow them to easily create and >> maintain their own pages with little or no access to the actual code. >> I've looked at PHPWebsite, but I can't seem to make it work (I don't >> know how to get the MySQL database working properly). Can anyone here > >> recommend something quick, clean and easy? Or, alternately can >> someone with experience offer some suggestions as to how to get >> PHPWebsite to play nice? It looks like a fine solution, but my own >> ignorance is holding me back. One again I await your great wisdom. > > I can recommend www.cmsimple.dk which is a very basic cms, but this also > makes it extremely easy to work with for non-IT people. It has a WYSIWYG > editor that works in Mozilla (and IE). > It requires no sql backend. > -- > Frederik Dannemare > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Wed Nov 10 06:06:21 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:06:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Damn, they are moving fast In-Reply-To: <4191AB6A.1070907@magic.fr> References: <419173FB.7090803@cfl.rr.com> <4191AB6A.1070907@magic.fr> Message-ID: <4191AFDD.8030502@cfl.rr.com> Just tried to load FC3 on laptop, it doesn't even get to the graphical installer screen. I run Knoppix on that laptop and everything works well also. Dennis Daniels wrote: > How well does it support XDMCP choosers and NFS? It might be great for > the desktop but as a server __FC2__ is still not very well > documented... wireless in FC2 clearly lacked basics. I'm hoping FC3 > will do better... that said I just loaded knoppix 3.6 and it picked up > my internal wireless and had no problem with my three pcimca cards... > I can't say that for FC2 :/ > > Report back on your findings! I'd be interested in hearin how the > install fairs for you. > > best > Denny > > Brian Chase wrote: > >> Well, there's another Fedora Core out, FC3, featuring new Gnome and >> KDE, and other goodies like wireless tools and SE Linux, which is a >> major security enhancement. Any of you KDE fans that use KWallet, >> now there's a Keyring application in Gnome which operates similarly, >> which give some competition to KDE. I still prefer using Kget >> integration with Konqueror for mirror downloads, but you can do that >> fine in Gnome so it looks like I'll be sticking with Gnome for >> awhile. Firefox and Thunderbird are also included. >> >> Oh, yeah, another very cool and valuable feature, the email program >> that looks just like Outlook called Evolution now has the ability to >> connect directly to a Microsoft Exchange server and use all the >> groupware functions on it, not that I've been able to test it, but >> it's got the selection in "server type". This is pretty major for >> introducing Linux in large corporate environments and not >> short-changing those that use Linux from participating in shared >> tasks, calendar items, and public folders. >> >> Not sure what this means, but FC3 partitioning looks very different, >> didn't get screenshot, but I think it uses LVM by default. Logical >> Volume Management, hmmm. Just started reading about it but don't >> know the benefits yet. Comments....? >> >> Just loaded the new 64-bit version on the Opteron box, pretty sweet, >> but still has similar look and feel. Had it loaded now for just a >> day, so I'm sure I'll find a few more things that could use improvement. >> >> Other than that, no major breakthrough's in my Linux work, except >> maybe for the squirrelmail plug ins, enabling full groupware >> functionality on my webmail pages. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Nov 10 08:35:21 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:35:21 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Damn, they are moving fast In-Reply-To: <1100057908.4754.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419173FB.7090803@cfl.rr.com> <1100057908.4754.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411100835.21596.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 10 Nov 2004 3:38 am, Dan Young wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 20:50 -0500, Brian Chase wrote: > > Not sure what this means, but FC3 partitioning looks very different, > > didn't get screenshot, but I think it uses LVM by default. Logical > > Volume Management, hmmm. Just started reading about it but don't know > > the benefits yet. Comments....? > > Virtualization of volumes means you're less limited by physical disks > and partitioning as a method of assigning storage. > > You can slice and dice volumes more ways (as well as append one disk to > another, etc.), and do so dynamically w/o necessarily b0rking your data, > at least when used w/ a filesystem that can be resized. Ext3 and XFS I > know can do this, though I think XFS can grow only, not shrink. FC3 also > includes _online_ resize for ext3: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/RELEASE-N >OTES-en.html > > So if you run out of disk space for /home, slap more disks into your > hotplug SCSI backplane, label as LVM, pvcreate, vgextend, lvextend, > and extend /home. That's the concept, anyway. I couldn't have put it better myself. If you have ever run an operating system with LVM (eg AIX) and you move to one without, it's like trading your Ducati Hailwood Replica for a YB100. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sj at redpumas.com Wed Nov 10 09:51:50 2004 From: sj at redpumas.com (Steve James) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:51:50 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Damn, they are moving fast In-Reply-To: <200411100835.21596.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <419173FB.7090803@cfl.rr.com> <1100057908.4754.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411100835.21596.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <4191E4B6.7080001@redpumas.com> Martin Woolley wrote: > > >it's like trading your >Ducati Hailwood Replica for a YB100. > > ?? or your Carl Fogarty 996 SPS replica for a Hailwood Replica ;-) ?? From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Nov 10 12:50:55 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:50:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question In-Reply-To: <000001c4c6da$b9f5cb40$0100a8c0@andhe01> References: <000001c4c6da$b9f5cb40$0100a8c0@andhe01> Message-ID: <41920EAF.1050006@cmosnetworks.com> H?ctor Menjivar wrote: >Hi: > >Can you help me to run windows 2003 terminal services on thin clients >attached to a k12 ltsp > >Hector > > > !Hola, H?ctor, y bienvenidos! Sure; I do this all the time at work (job requirement, not personal choice). The "rdesktop" command is what you want. Say I have a server named "win2003box", with IP address 10.0.0.5, and domain name "mydistrict.edu". Here's what you'd do: microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop win2003box.mydistrict.edu & You don't need that "&" at the end, but it gives you your terminal window back and keeps a somewhat cleaner desktop. :-) You can also do it by IP address, like so: microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop 10.0.0.5 & This works just fine, BTW, from the "Start" menu (the...well, "red hat" icon at the bottom left for Red Hat / Fedora based distributions). Then you don't need the "&". Now, here's how I *actually* do it, since I want to take advantage of the new RDPv5 protocol's higher color resolution. None of the extra switches are required; I just like 'em: microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop -g 1024x768 -a 16 -u microman win2003box.mydistrict.edu The "-g" means "geometry", or the "screen resolution" of your rdesktop session. Since I run 1280x1024 on GNU/Linux, it makes sense for me to have a 1024x768 rdesktop session. :-) The default is 800x600. The "-a" means "color bit depth", in this case, 16-bit color, or 65,536 colors (default is 8-bit, or 256 colors). The "-u" is your Windows username. If you don't specify "-u", then your GNU/Linux username will be used by default. Again, none of these extra switches are required. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Nov 10 14:21:55 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:21:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Damn, they are moving fast Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E126@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com On Behalf Of Brian Chase >> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:51 PM >> >> Oh, yeah, another very cool and valuable feature, the email >> program that looks just like Outlook called Evolution now has >> the ability to connect directly to a Microsoft Exchange server >> and use all the groupware functions on it, not that I've been >> able to test it, but it's got the selection in "server type". >> This is pretty major for introducing Linux in large corporate >> environments and not short-changing those that use Linux from >> participating in shared tasks, calendar items, and public >> folders. Note that Evolution (http://www.novell.com/products/evolution/) does not support Exchange Server 5.5. My employer uses that version so I haven't had a chance to give it much of a workout. They are getting ready to start testing Exchange Server 2003, which Evolution Connector supports. I'm scheduled to get a mailbox on that server and will know more shortly. -- Henry From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Nov 10 14:37:05 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:37:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Damn, they are moving fast In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E126@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E126@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: I installed FC3 on my laptop at the LTSP-by-the-Sea event this weekend.....It works much better than FC2 did with regard to laptop specific issues. First....my USB thumb drives....I simply insert them and "poof" an icon appears on my desktop giving me access to them. My wireless works with a minimum of effort....I had to run (in terminal) modprobe yenta_socket service pcmcia restart and that's it! Everything else works! I've had to run Mandrake 10 for the past few months to get all things to work, but now I can have Fedora! Yay! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Nov 10 14:37:05 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:37:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Damn, they are moving fast In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E126@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E126@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: I installed FC3 on my laptop at the LTSP-by-the-Sea event this weekend.....It works much better than FC2 did with regard to laptop specific issues. First....my USB thumb drives....I simply insert them and "poof" an icon appears on my desktop giving me access to them. My wireless works with a minimum of effort....I had to run (in terminal) modprobe yenta_socket service pcmcia restart and that's it! Everything else works! I've had to run Mandrake 10 for the past few months to get all things to work, but now I can have Fedora! Yay! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 10 14:41:09 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:41:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release with updated features Message-ID: <003801c4c733$518e3430$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Anyone have an idea of a timeline until the newest k12ltsp will release with the new features developed at the LTSP-by-the-Sea event? I am at the point of putting in a new server at home to test things with but I want to be sure my test server has all the latest and greatest. But on the other hand I don't want to put things on hold for 6 months. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 11/9/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 10 14:45:26 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:45:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release with updated features In-Reply-To: <003801c4c733$518e3430$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Anyone have an idea of a timeline until the newest k12ltsp will release >with the new features developed at the LTSP-by-the-Sea event? I am at >the point of putting in a new server at home to test things with but I >want to be sure my test server has all the latest and greatest. But on >the other hand I don't want to put things on hold for 6 months. Much of the work at the LTSP-by-the-Sea event will take a while before it is ready for production. I'm not going to hold up the next build of K12LTSP for all the new LTSP goodies to be completed. I'll have a pre-release of K12LTSP 4.2.0 ready by the end of the week. -Eric From hmenjivar at aeromillas.com Wed Nov 10 15:18:10 2004 From: hmenjivar at aeromillas.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E9ctor_Menjivar?=) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:18:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question In-Reply-To: <41920EAF.1050006@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000001c4c738$7ec32230$0100a8c0@andhe01> Muchas Gracias Terrell voy a probar con esa configuraci?n y luego te cuento. Hector -----Mensaje original----- De: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de "Terrell Prud?, Jr." Enviado el: Mi?rcoles, 10 de Noviembre de 2004 06:51 a.m. Para: Support list for opensource software in schools. Asunto: Re: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question H?ctor Menjivar wrote: >Hi: > >Can you help me to run windows 2003 terminal services on thin clients >attached to a k12 ltsp > >Hector > > > !Hola, H?ctor, y bienvenidos! Sure; I do this all the time at work (job requirement, not personal choice). The "rdesktop" command is what you want. Say I have a server named "win2003box", with IP address 10.0.0.5, and domain name "mydistrict.edu". Here's what you'd do: microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop win2003box.mydistrict.edu & You don't need that "&" at the end, but it gives you your terminal window back and keeps a somewhat cleaner desktop. :-) You can also do it by IP address, like so: microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop 10.0.0.5 & This works just fine, BTW, from the "Start" menu (the...well, "red hat" icon at the bottom left for Red Hat / Fedora based distributions). Then you don't need the "&". Now, here's how I *actually* do it, since I want to take advantage of the new RDPv5 protocol's higher color resolution. None of the extra switches are required; I just like 'em: microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop -g 1024x768 -a 16 -u microman win2003box.mydistrict.edu The "-g" means "geometry", or the "screen resolution" of your rdesktop session. Since I run 1280x1024 on GNU/Linux, it makes sense for me to have a 1024x768 rdesktop session. :-) The default is 800x600. The "-a" means "color bit depth", in this case, 16-bit color, or 65,536 colors (default is 8-bit, or 256 colors). The "-u" is your Windows username. If you don't specify "-u", then your GNU/Linux username will be used by default. Again, none of these extra switches are required. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 15:47:56 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:47:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard sample deny pages Message-ID: <48928761041110074768ef96a2@mail.gmail.com> We are using the K12LTSP distro for our squidguard server, and I was just wondering if there is a site that has examples of access denied pages for squidguard? Thanks -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 10 15:50:52 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:50:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Damn, they are moving fast In-Reply-To: <200411100835.21596.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <419173FB.7090803@cfl.rr.com> <1100057908.4754.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411100835.21596.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1100101851.11258.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 02:35, Martin Woolley wrote: > I couldn't have put it better myself. If you have ever run an operating > system with LVM (eg AIX) and you move to one without, it's like trading your > Ducati Hailwood Replica for a YB100. Do you use software RAID along with LVM? I've come to like the side effects of raid mirrors (no slowdown on a failed drive and being able to clone a machine or recover data with only one of a pair) and I'm not sure I want to give that up for the option of resizing. Does it work to start out with LVM on top of RAID1 devices so you only lose the ability to recover data from a single drive if you later decide to grow the volume across devices? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Nov 10 15:56:40 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:56:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard sample deny pages In-Reply-To: <48928761041110074768ef96a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <48928761041110074768ef96a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41923A38.3020801@inlandlakes.org> Adam Melancon wrote: > We are using the K12LTSP distro for our squidguard server, and I was > just wondering if there is a site that has examples of access denied > pages for squidguard? Last year, I just edited the default one. I don't remember where or what it was. I added a picture of Squidward (from Spongebob Squarepants) due to the "squid" similarity. The kids started to blame Squidward for blocked sites instead of me. :) This year we use dansguardian, so I just left the default page there. I also, for a while, redirected blocked pages to google. I laughed one day because I heard a rumor in a middleschool lab full of kids that "Google bought Playboy" :) -Shawn From hmenjivar at aeromillas.com Wed Nov 10 15:59:21 2004 From: hmenjivar at aeromillas.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E9ctor_Menjivar?=) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:59:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question In-Reply-To: <000001c4c738$7ec32230$0100a8c0@andhe01> Message-ID: <000101c4c73e$3f08af10$0100a8c0@andhe01> Terrell: En tu mail microman at multimedia es nombre del usuario? Hector -----Mensaje original----- De: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de H?ctor Menjivar Enviado el: Mi?rcoles, 10 de Noviembre de 2004 09:18 a.m. Para: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Asunto: RE: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question Muchas Gracias Terrell voy a probar con esa configuraci?n y luego te cuento. Hector -----Mensaje original----- De: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de "Terrell Prud?, Jr." Enviado el: Mi?rcoles, 10 de Noviembre de 2004 06:51 a.m. Para: Support list for opensource software in schools. Asunto: Re: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question H?ctor Menjivar wrote: >Hi: > >Can you help me to run windows 2003 terminal services on thin clients >attached to a k12 ltsp > >Hector > > > !Hola, H?ctor, y bienvenidos! Sure; I do this all the time at work (job requirement, not personal choice). The "rdesktop" command is what you want. Say I have a server named "win2003box", with IP address 10.0.0.5, and domain name "mydistrict.edu". Here's what you'd do: microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop win2003box.mydistrict.edu & You don't need that "&" at the end, but it gives you your terminal window back and keeps a somewhat cleaner desktop. :-) You can also do it by IP address, like so: microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop 10.0.0.5 & This works just fine, BTW, from the "Start" menu (the...well, "red hat" icon at the bottom left for Red Hat / Fedora based distributions). Then you don't need the "&". Now, here's how I *actually* do it, since I want to take advantage of the new RDPv5 protocol's higher color resolution. None of the extra switches are required; I just like 'em: microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop -g 1024x768 -a 16 -u microman win2003box.mydistrict.edu The "-g" means "geometry", or the "screen resolution" of your rdesktop session. Since I run 1280x1024 on GNU/Linux, it makes sense for me to have a 1024x768 rdesktop session. :-) The default is 800x600. The "-a" means "color bit depth", in this case, 16-bit color, or 65,536 colors (default is 8-bit, or 256 colors). The "-u" is your Windows username. If you don't specify "-u", then your GNU/Linux username will be used by default. Again, none of these extra switches are required. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 16:04:03 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:04:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard sample deny pages In-Reply-To: <41923A38.3020801@inlandlakes.org> References: <48928761041110074768ef96a2@mail.gmail.com> <41923A38.3020801@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4892876104111008044dd41c88@mail.gmail.com> Now thats funny! It's amazing what kids will come up with. On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:56:40 -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > Adam Melancon wrote: > > We are using the K12LTSP distro for our squidguard server, and I was > > just wondering if there is a site that has examples of access denied > > pages for squidguard? > > Last year, I just edited the default one. I don't remember where or > what it was. I added a picture of Squidward (from Spongebob > Squarepants) due to the "squid" similarity. The kids started to blame > Squidward for blocked sites instead of me. :) > > This year we use dansguardian, so I just left the default page there. > > I also, for a while, redirected blocked pages to google. I laughed one > day because I heard a rumor in a middleschool lab full of kids that > "Google bought Playboy" :) > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Nov 10 16:13:50 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:13:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Has anyone used Zope with Apache as Frontend In-Reply-To: <33353.68.115.172.62.1100034555.squirrel@68.115.172.62> Message-ID: <200411101611.iAAGBADZ004143@mail1.firstbhph.com> Michael, In the way-back I tried my hand at Plone/Zope, but didn't get the hang of configuring it to my own look/feel. How's their documentation. Are there other how-to's and examples on the Web? Dimitri -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Michael Williams Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:09 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Has anyone used Zope with Apache as Frontend Our site is plone/zope based. We use apache as the primary websever and redirect to the plone site on the same box. michael > I would like to know if anyone has used Zope with > Apache as a Frontend? I am interested because I think > I understand that you can have interactive web pages. > Where someone can make changes from anywhere in the > world. Interested to know if it is similiar to having > PHP and MySQL? > > I am running Fedora and Apache on my web server. > > Thank you for your help. > > Jennifer Our site is plone/zope based. http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us We use apache as the primary websever and redirect to the plone site on the same box. It does allow many people to maintin different areas of the site. michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 10 16:20:11 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:20:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release with updated features In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004601c4c741$27437330$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Much of the work at the LTSP-by-the-Sea event will take a > while before it is ready for production. I'm not going to > hold up the next build of K12LTSP for all the new LTSP > goodies to be completed. > > I'll have a pre-release of K12LTSP 4.2.0 ready by the end of the week. Thanks. I wasn't sure how long it took things to flow down river. I'll go with your 4.2.0 pre-release for the server unless you suggest that wouldn't be a good idea. Thanks again. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 11/9/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bskahan at etria.com Wed Nov 10 16:40:36 2004 From: bskahan at etria.com (Brian Skahan) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:40:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Has anyone used Zope with Apache as Frontend In-Reply-To: <200411101611.iAAGBADZ004143@mail1.firstbhph.com> References: <200411101611.iAAGBADZ004143@mail1.firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <1100104836.1676.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 11:13 -0500, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > In the way-back I tried my hand at Plone/Zope, but didn't get the hang of > configuring it to my own look/feel. How's their documentation. Are there > other how-to's and examples on the Web? Also take a look at EduPlone a plone/zope based CMS. http://eduplone.net/index_html?cl=en -Brian -- Brian Skahan Etria, LLP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll > go with your 4.2.0 pre-release for the server unless you suggest that > wouldn't be a good idea. > > Thanks again. I just realized that tomorrow is a holiday... and I just got a new dual Xeon box that needs to be burned in ;-) I might be able to get a pre-release out the door tomorrow... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 10 18:14:11 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:14:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release with updated features In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c4c751$13e771f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > >I just realized that tomorrow is a holiday... and I just got > a new dual > >Xeon box that needs to be burned in ;-) > > > >I might be able to get a pre-release out the door tomorrow... > > > >-Eric > > Don't kill yourself....get some rest... :-) Isn't it a sad case when you start looking at holidays as a good day to get more work done? It has been that way for me for a while now, I just take off of work to go to work. Anyhow, let me know when you get it ready :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 10 18:35:12 2004 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:35:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: squidGuard sample deny pages Message-ID: >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:47:56 -0600 >From: Adam Melancon >Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard sample deny pages >To: K12OSN at redhat.com >Message-ID: <48928761041110074768ef96a2 at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >We are using the K12LTSP distro for our squidguard server, and I was >just wondering if there is a site that has examples of access denied >pages for squidguard? >Thanks >-- >Adam Melancon >Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us >Personal: http://www.melancon.org I whipped up a deny page that uses some php to substitute randomly selected images of HAL9000 with some random soundclips like "I'm afraid I can't let you do that". There is also a simple web page feedback form to report accidently blocked sites. It does require Dansguardian and php support, but I think it could be easily modified to work with squidGuard. The nice thing about it is that it uses any images and sounds in the appropriate folder, so you can change the look and feel by just copying in different media files. If anyone is interested, you're welcome to grab a copy from http://bitmon.nwresd.k12.or.us/alertpage.tar.gz Thanks, Sean Harbour Network Engineer Northwest Regional ESD 503-614-1448 sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(The screen will come back to life OK on the console of the screen plugged directly into the server by moving the mouse or pressing the keyboard.) Relevant info about our setup is: K12LTSP 4.1 Terminals: IBM XL300's with 64mb RAM and Radeon 7000 PCI Graphics (2 terminals with different ATI graphics and they exhibit the same behaviour) Screens: IBM 15" TFT's PS2 mice and keyboards. Many thanks if anyone can shed any light on this. If it's not possible to fix - how do I just increase the length of time before the screen's go into power save mode? TIA Tom Atkins --------------------------------- Tom Atkins The Organic College Ireland E: toma at organiccollege.com W: www.organiccollege.com From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 21:08:28 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:08:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Terminals with screen in power save do not come back to life with mouse / keyboard In-Reply-To: <000201c4c758$4b3b3f40$fb01a8c0@OmeletteAcer> Message-ID: <20041110210828.55916.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I have the same problems with my terminals. But I think mine are set for 15 min. (or it just seems like 10 min is a long time) I have a bunch of old Compaq Deskpro 2000 (P5 166 or 200 with 64mb of ram with on motherboard video). I thought it was a problem with my crappy Compaqs but im glad to hear that someone else has the same problem. Chris --- Tom Atkins wrote: > Apologies if this has been answered before but I've > searched and can't find > anything. > > We have a default install of K12LTSP 4.1 installed > with very few changes. > (I'm new to this and the lab has been up and running > for about 3 weeks.) > > When a terminal is left alone for more than 10 > minutes the screen (monitor / > display) goes into power save mode. I cannot get it > to come out of power > save mode. I have tried pressing buttons on the > keyboards and mouse. This > applies to all our terminals. (The screen will come > back to life OK on the > console of the screen plugged directly into the > server by moving the mouse > or pressing the keyboard.) > > Relevant info about our setup is: > > K12LTSP 4.1 > Terminals: IBM XL300's with 64mb RAM and Radeon 7000 > PCI Graphics (2 > terminals with different ATI graphics and they > exhibit the same behaviour) > Screens: IBM 15" TFT's > PS2 mice and keyboards. > > Many thanks if anyone can shed any light on this. > If it's not possible to > fix - how do I just increase the length of time > before the screen's go into > power save mode? > > TIA > > Tom Atkins > > --------------------------------- > Tom Atkins > The Organic College > Ireland > E: toma at organiccollege.com > W: www.organiccollege.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bill at computassist.com Wed Nov 10 21:26:30 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:26:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminals with screen in power save do not come back to life with mouse / keyboard In-Reply-To: <000201c4c758$4b3b3f40$fb01a8c0@OmeletteAcer> References: <000201c4c758$4b3b3f40$fb01a8c0@OmeletteAcer> Message-ID: <20041110152630.448af482@heaven> On Wednesday, Nov 10 Tom Atkins wrote: > When a terminal is left alone for more than 10 minutes the screen > (monitor / display) goes into power save mode. I cannot get it to > come out of power save mode. I have tried pressing buttons on the > keyboards and mouse. This applies to all our terminals. (The screen > will come back to life OK on the console of the screen plugged > directly into the server by moving the mouse or pressing the > keyboard.) Can't tell you the solution, but I've found that if you turn the monitor off and back on with the power button, it will wake up again. This may help until you find the real answer. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Wed Nov 10 21:38:08 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:38:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Release with updated features In-Reply-To: <1100106208.6056.89.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <004601c4c741$27437330$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1100106208.6056.89.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1100122688.5322.0.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 09:03 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 10:20 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Much of the work at the LTSP-by-the-Sea event will take a > > > while before it is ready for production. I'm not going to > > > hold up the next build of K12LTSP for all the new LTSP > > > goodies to be completed. > > > > > > I'll have a pre-release of K12LTSP 4.2.0 ready by the end of the week. > > > > Thanks. I wasn't sure how long it took things to flow down river. I'll > > go with your 4.2.0 pre-release for the server unless you suggest that > > wouldn't be a good idea. > > > > Thanks again. > > I just realized that tomorrow is a holiday... and I just got a new > dual Xeon box that needs to be burned in ;-) > > I might be able to get a pre-release out the door tomorrow... > > -Eric Running the alpa right now and loving it. NFS seems to be faster than FC2 Jack From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 21:40:16 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:40:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminals with screen in power save do not come back to life with mouse / keyboard In-Reply-To: <20041110152630.448af482@heaven> References: <000201c4c758$4b3b3f40$fb01a8c0@OmeletteAcer> <20041110152630.448af482@heaven> Message-ID: <48928761041110134028bd084a@mail.gmail.com> That doesn't always work... I have had some monitors that go into sleep mode, and don't come out of it unless you unplug the monitor from the VGA port and plug it into another computer that will send it a signal to wake it up. That can be a major pain! On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:26:30 -0600, Bill Bardon wrote: > On Wednesday, Nov 10 Tom Atkins wrote: > > When a terminal is left alone for more than 10 minutes the screen > > (monitor / display) goes into power save mode. I cannot get it to > > come out of power save mode. I have tried pressing buttons on the > > keyboards and mouse. This applies to all our terminals. (The screen > > will come back to life OK on the console of the screen plugged > > directly into the server by moving the mouse or pressing the > > keyboard.) > > Can't tell you the solution, but I've found that if you turn the monitor > off and back on with the power button, it will wake up again. This may > help until you find the real answer. > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 10 21:48:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:48:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminals with screen in power save do not come back to life with mouse / keyboard In-Reply-To: <000201c4c758$4b3b3f40$fb01a8c0@OmeletteAcer> References: <000201c4c758$4b3b3f40$fb01a8c0@OmeletteAcer> Message-ID: <1100123285.18767.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 13:05, Tom Atkins wrote: > K12LTSP 4.1 > Terminals: IBM XL300's with 64mb RAM and Radeon 7000 PCI Graphics (2 > terminals with different ATI graphics and they exhibit the same behaviour) > Screens: IBM 15" TFT's > PS2 mice and keyboards. > > Many thanks if anyone can shed any light on this. If it's not possible to > fix - how do I just increase the length of time before the screen's go into > power save mode? There should be something about power saving modes in the client PC bios setup where you can change the screen saver mode. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Nov 10 22:49:48 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:49:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux Message-ID: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> I ran a little test here on the ole' home lan. It's a nice turnkey solution if you are willing to go with their defaults. I completely understand why they have things sort of "locked down" as it would greatly reduce support. Their documentation is definitely heading in the right direction. David, When you looked at skole's setup last week did you do any localization or did you go with the default setup? I spent some time reading over their devel list archives looking for "skole sanctioned" procedures to customize but this is not in their paradigm. John From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 10 23:08:05 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:08:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41929F55.60906@paasda.org> I too tested out Skole...and was desperately hoping it would be just like K12LTSP but with a debian base... I was sadly disappointed...and it would require a BUNCH of hacking to get it working the way I need at my primary location...But if I were to build anew, and set-up a network from scratch I would definately try this out first. (I'm more of a debian buff than FC). I will say, it worked out of the box with zero effort and the KDE was surprisingly FAST! There was also a kde menu editor that was very simple to use...I only tested with 1 user and 1 client on my old demo machine...so nothing production style. --Huck John Baillie wrote: >I ran a little test here on the ole' home lan. It's a nice turnkey >solution if you are willing to go with their defaults. I completely >understand why they have things sort of "locked down" as it would >greatly reduce support. Their documentation is definitely heading in the >right direction. > >David, > >When you looked at skole's setup last week did you do any localization >or did you go with the default setup? I spent some time reading over >their devel list archives looking for "skole sanctioned" procedures to >customize but this is not in their paradigm. > >John > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed Nov 10 23:06:21 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:06:21 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Damn, they are moving fast Message-ID: Les Mikesell wrote: >> Does it work to start out with LVM on top of RAID1 devices so you only lose the ability to recover data from a single drive if you later decide to grow the volume across devices? << Yes - this works well, and in fact, LVM on top of RAID is one of the topics covered in the RHCE exam. I'm using it here on our main office server, only with hardware RAID 1 (for some reason I could never get software RAID to work well in my experiments - once ror twice a week, the machine would effectively shut down for three hours while it re-sync'ed drives). Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Wed Nov 10 23:09:47 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:09:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Home System In-Reply-To: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100128187.7484.11.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> This might sound strange but I am using k12ltsp as my home automation system. Currently I have my server(s) in a closet. The ltsp server is hooked into my stereo via the soundcard output. I'd like to have and icon on all the desktops that basically runs the home stereo via xmms. When I run xmms from a terminal the individual terminal brings up xmms and plays just fine from that location (say the garage). I'd like to have an icon that launches xmms on the server console via. ssh server xmms This should start xmms on the local display but play from the server therby playing out the soundcard on the server and out the main home stereo. Currently I get this error when I try: ** CRITICAL **: Unable to open display I realize that *all* the terminals are displaying from the server and that ltsp performs its magic via X11 but hopefully somebody out there gets my drift in what I am trying to do. Currently in order to play out of the home stereo I have to physically login to the server console and start xmms (like right now) and it plays. Thanks, Jack (running fc3 alpha! works great too!) From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Nov 10 23:27:21 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:27:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] egroupware Message-ID: <1100129240.2809.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> Anyone here using egroupware? I was hoping to sit it right on top of skole's samba ldap server last weekend but ran into a few glitches I ended up setting it up on another box and liked what I saw. I'm really impressed with how this project is coming along. I was looking to it for providing web folders to the school but am now considering implementing their shared calendaring also. Liked the Help tickets and webmail too. If only I could integrate some of basmatti, a little of moodle, a dash of schoolmation to egroupware... Wow. Oh yea, and then if Advantage Learning Systems would WAKE up... John From group at thunderchild.org Wed Nov 10 23:30:37 2004 From: group at thunderchild.org (Sean) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:30:37 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Home System In-Reply-To: <1100128187.7484.11.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100128187.7484.11.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: xhost + but its been a while On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:09:47 -0500, Jack wrote: > This might sound strange but I am using k12ltsp as my home automation > system. Currently I have my server(s) in a closet. The ltsp server is > hooked into my stereo via the soundcard output. I'd like to have and > icon on all the desktops that basically runs the home stereo via xmms. > When I run xmms from a terminal the individual terminal brings up xmms > and plays just fine from that location (say the garage). I'd like to > have an icon that launches xmms on the server console via. > > ssh server xmms > > This should start xmms on the local display but play from the server > therby playing out the soundcard on the server and out the main home > stereo. Currently I get this error when I try: > > ** CRITICAL **: Unable to open display > > I realize that *all* the terminals are displaying from the server and > that ltsp performs its magic via X11 but hopefully somebody out there > gets my drift in what I am trying to do. > > Currently in order to play out of the home stereo I have to physically > login to the server console and start xmms (like right now) and it > plays. > > Thanks, > Jack > (running fc3 alpha! works great too!) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Demon account is no longer in use please ammend your address book From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 10 23:37:06 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:37:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100129826.18767.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 16:49, John Baillie wrote: > I ran a little test here on the ole' home lan. It's a nice turnkey > solution if you are willing to go with their defaults. I completely > understand why they have things sort of "locked down" as it would > greatly reduce support. Their documentation is definitely heading in the > right direction. Someone mentioned it had ldap/samba and a user management GUI tool that worked out of the box. Is that correct, and can you tell if it would likely work to run one of these to create the accounts and home directories which you would NFS mount from k12ltsp servers configured to authenticate against ldap? Or - would the ldap server configuration be easy to port? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 10 23:42:47 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:42:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Home System In-Reply-To: <1100128187.7484.11.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100128187.7484.11.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <1100130167.18767.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 17:09, Jack wrote: > I'd like to > have an icon that launches xmms on the server console via. > > ssh server xmms You'd probably want something more like: x11vnc -display :0 vncviewer server:0 so you see the console screen and running app from any location instead of starting a new one. If you never actually use the real console you can start a long-running session with vncserver that isn't associated with any real terminal so you can connect and disconnect letting the programs continue to run. This is different than the stock k12ltsp setup where xinetd starts sessions on demand. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Nov 10 23:45:24 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:45:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Home System Message-ID: <1100130323.2809.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Jack, You're a step ahead of me. I've been thinking about this same scenario for a while now. The chair of our lug implemented a web based solution for a gaming host that pretty much does what you are looking to do. Don't know how you'd work in volume control though. You might find this interesting. http://www.anders.com/words/route66.html John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Nov 10 23:56:13 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:56:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux Message-ID: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> Les Mikesell wrote on: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:37:06 Re: [K12OSN] skolelinux ________________________________________________________________________ * From: Les Mikesell * To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." * Subject: Re: [K12OSN] skolelinux * Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:37:06 -0600 ________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 16:49, John Baillie wrote: > I ran a little test here on the ole' home lan. It's a nice turnkey > solution if you are willing to go with their defaults. I completely > understand why they have things sort of "locked down" as it would > greatly reduce support. Their documentation is definitely heading in the > right direction. Someone mentioned it had ldap/samba and a user management GUI tool that worked out of the box. Is that correct, and can you tell if it would likely work to run one of these to create the accounts and home directories which you would NFS mount from k12ltsp servers configured to authenticate against ldap? Or - would the ldap server configuration be easy to port? --- Les Mikesell les futuresource com Yes Mike, It provides a webmin module to add users one at a time or in a batch via a text file. There in lies issue # 1 for me. It creates it's own user names based on the firs and last name. It's bad enough around here when new passwords are required, I don't even want to start giving out new log-on names. John From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Wed Nov 10 23:54:33 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:54:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless boot from hard disk In-Reply-To: <418D2310.4060705@edu.vantaa.fi> References: <418D2310.4060705@edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <20041110185433.79f1ab72.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> I have that exact setup on one of my laptops. I partioned it so that I had one 2mb DOS partion, and the rest was a linux install. I installed a small linux distro on one side (Deli Linux) then instead of writing the wireless_ltsp image to a floppy, I wrote it to the 1st partion . Then setup Smart Boot Manager to boot either Wireless_LTSP (hda1) or Linux (hda2). I used Smart Boot Manager only because I use the machine to test various distros, so the hda2 gets rewritten all the time, but I did not want to have to mess with lilo or gurb all the time since I still use the machine as a thin client a lot of the time. On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:16:32 +0200 Mikko Jordman wrote: > Tried to find information from archives, more questions than answers. > Can I do it with the wireless_ltsp image and the howto boot from hard > disk. I suppose not. > My skills are not good enough to put these together. I someone has done > it, please give me a hint. > (Thinkpad 560's + 3com wwired pcmcia nic's; without floppy. That's why > the information is so important) > > yours, mikkoj > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Nov 11 01:53:44 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:53:44 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: lost charger Message-ID: <200411110111.iAB1B4q21427@downeast.net> Mistik?? Steve?? mising this? Here in Maine it is reggae night on the community station..Heptones rule! chuck Forwarded Message: > To: > From: > Subject: lost charger > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:30:08 -0500 > ----- > Hi Chuck; > > We found a small gadget that appears to be a power supply to a high tech gizwidget in room 3 after your great group left. > > Andrew Williams of Steve Switzer stayed in the room. If you can find out whose it is, we'll mail it to them! > > I really enjoyed having all of the "geeks" here. What a neat group! Thank you for bringing them here. > > Dave > > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at telus.net Thu Nov 11 02:58:24 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:58:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Release with updated features In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4192D550.2040107@telus.net> Eric Harrison wrote: >I'll have a pre-release of K12LTSP 4.2.0 ready by the end of the >week. > > > I think you deserve a holiday Eric. Don't burn yourself out. We want you to say healthy ;) BTW are there still plans to make a 3.2 version (3.1.2 with updated packages) ? Robert Arkiletian From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Nov 11 02:37:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:37:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question In-Reply-To: <000001c4c738$7ec32230$0100a8c0@andhe01> References: <000001c4c738$7ec32230$0100a8c0@andhe01> Message-ID: <4192D04D.9020108@cmosnetworks.com> Good deal, we're looking forward to seeing if this works out for you. If it doesn't, simplemente inf?rmanos. :-) --TP H?ctor Menjivar wrote: >Muchas Gracias Terrell voy a probar con esa configuraci?n y luego te >cuento. > > >Hector > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] En >nombre de "Terrell Prud?, Jr." >Enviado el: Mi?rcoles, 10 de Noviembre de 2004 06:51 a.m. >Para: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Asunto: Re: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question > >H?ctor Menjivar wrote: > > > >>Hi: >> >>Can you help me to run windows 2003 terminal services on thin clients >>attached to a k12 ltsp >> >>Hector >> >> >> >> >> > >!Hola, H?ctor, y bienvenidos! > >Sure; I do this all the time at work (job requirement, not personal >choice). The "rdesktop" command is what you want. Say I have a server >named "win2003box", with IP address 10.0.0.5, and domain name >"mydistrict.edu". Here's what you'd do: > > microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop win2003box.mydistrict.edu & > >You don't need that "&" at the end, but it gives you your terminal >window back and keeps a somewhat cleaner desktop. :-) > >You can also do it by IP address, like so: > > microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop 10.0.0.5 & > >This works just fine, BTW, from the "Start" menu (the...well, "red hat" >icon at the bottom left for Red Hat / Fedora based distributions). Then > >you don't need the "&". > >Now, here's how I *actually* do it, since I want to take advantage of >the new RDPv5 protocol's higher color resolution. None of the extra >switches are required; I just like 'em: > > microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop -g 1024x768 -a 16 -u microman >win2003box.mydistrict.edu > >The "-g" means "geometry", or the "screen resolution" of your rdesktop >session. Since I run 1280x1024 on GNU/Linux, it makes sense for me to >have a 1024x768 rdesktop session. :-) The default is 800x600. The >"-a" means "color bit depth", in this case, 16-bit color, or 65,536 >colors (default is 8-bit, or 256 colors). The "-u" is your Windows >username. If you don't specify "-u", then your GNU/Linux username will >be used by default. Again, none of these extra switches are required. > >--TP >_____________________ >Do you GNU!? >Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it >out! > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Nov 11 02:40:55 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:40:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question In-Reply-To: <000101c4c73e$3f08af10$0100a8c0@andhe01> References: <000101c4c73e$3f08af10$0100a8c0@andhe01> Message-ID: <4192D137.1090703@cmosnetworks.com> S?, pero quieres usar el nombre del usuario en el servidor Windows. Por ejemplo, mi nombre de usuario en mi computadora GNU/Linux es "microman", pero en el servidor Windows 2003, es "tprude". Necesito que usar "tprude" en este caso. For the rest of us gringos, the above means: Yes, but you want to use the username on the Window server. For example, my username on my GNU/Linux computer is "microman", but on the Windows 2003 server, it's "tprude". I need to use "tprude" in this case. --TP H?ctor Menjivar wrote: >Terrell: > > En tu mail microman at multimedia es nombre del usuario? > >Hector > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] En >nombre de H?ctor Menjivar >Enviado el: Mi?rcoles, 10 de Noviembre de 2004 09:18 a.m. >Para: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >Asunto: RE: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question > > >Muchas Gracias Terrell voy a probar con esa configuraci?n y luego te >cuento. > > >Hector > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] En >nombre de "Terrell Prud?, Jr." >Enviado el: Mi?rcoles, 10 de Noviembre de 2004 06:51 a.m. >Para: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Asunto: Re: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question > >H?ctor Menjivar wrote: > > > >>Hi: >> >>Can you help me to run windows 2003 terminal services on thin clients >>attached to a k12 ltsp >> >>Hector >> >> >> >> >> > >!Hola, H?ctor, y bienvenidos! > >Sure; I do this all the time at work (job requirement, not personal >choice). The "rdesktop" command is what you want. Say I have a server >named "win2003box", with IP address 10.0.0.5, and domain name >"mydistrict.edu". Here's what you'd do: > > microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop win2003box.mydistrict.edu & > >You don't need that "&" at the end, but it gives you your terminal >window back and keeps a somewhat cleaner desktop. :-) > >You can also do it by IP address, like so: > > microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop 10.0.0.5 & > >This works just fine, BTW, from the "Start" menu (the...well, "red hat" >icon at the bottom left for Red Hat / Fedora based distributions). Then > >you don't need the "&". > >Now, here's how I *actually* do it, since I want to take advantage of >the new RDPv5 protocol's higher color resolution. None of the extra >switches are required; I just like 'em: > > microman at multimedia:~$ rdesktop -g 1024x768 -a 16 -u microman >win2003box.mydistrict.edu > >The "-g" means "geometry", or the "screen resolution" of your rdesktop >session. Since I run 1280x1024 on GNU/Linux, it makes sense for me to >have a 1024x768 rdesktop session. :-) The default is 800x600. The >"-a" means "color bit depth", in this case, 16-bit color, or 65,536 >colors (default is 8-bit, or 256 colors). The "-u" is your Windows >username. If you don't specify "-u", then your GNU/Linux username will >be used by default. Again, none of these extra switches are required. > >--TP >_____________________ >Do you GNU!? >Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it >out! > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 09/11/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 11 03:15:54 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:15:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 6:56 PM +0000 wrote: >Someone mentioned it had ldap/samba and a user management GUI tool >that worked out of the box. Is that correct, and can you tell if >it would likely work to run one of these to create the accounts >and home directories which you would NFS mount from k12ltsp servers >configured to authenticate against ldap? Or - would the ldap server >configuration be easy to port? According to Ragnar Wisloff of Norway and SkoleLinux.....that's what many schools in his area do....they use a SkoleLinux server running Samba/LDAP and then set up the K12LTSP servers behind it and auth to it. Works great according to him. SkoleLinux also uses LTSP. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 11 03:15:54 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:15:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 6:56 PM +0000 wrote: >Someone mentioned it had ldap/samba and a user management GUI tool >that worked out of the box. Is that correct, and can you tell if >it would likely work to run one of these to create the accounts >and home directories which you would NFS mount from k12ltsp servers >configured to authenticate against ldap? Or - would the ldap server >configuration be easy to port? According to Ragnar Wisloff of Norway and SkoleLinux.....that's what many schools in his area do....they use a SkoleLinux server running Samba/LDAP and then set up the K12LTSP servers behind it and auth to it. Works great according to him. SkoleLinux also uses LTSP. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From accessys at smart.net Thu Nov 11 03:11:14 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:11:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] suddenly keyboard doesn't work In-Reply-To: <4192D137.1090703@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000101c4c73e$3f08af10$0100a8c0@andhe01> <4192D137.1090703@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: strange, one keyboard suddenly stopped working in mid message, I logged out with the mouse which still works and logged back in as root, keyboard worked fine. so it is not a keyboard problem. all other users work fine. and logging into any other user via that keyboard works and logging into the user from another terminal won't work, doesn't matter what application is being used. I saw the screen and it was in mid message in e-mail, said it just stopped. mouse works, keyboard doesn't how do I correct this without causing a loss of all their work or settings. right now using same keyboard as a new user can even access the documents since I added the old user name to the new user name group list...just got me scratching my head thanks Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 11 03:21:31 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:21:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <41929F55.60906@paasda.org> References: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41929F55.60906@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 6:08 PM +0000 wrote: >I will say, it worked out of the box with zero effort and the KDE was >surprisingly FAST! >There was also a kde menu editor that was very simple to use...I only >tested with 1 user and 1 client on my old >demo machine...so nothing production style. I haven't tried out the LTSP part yet....next week I hope, but I have seen the Samba/LDAP part. The Samba?LDAP stuff does have some hard-coded defaults...and this is necessary as there are a bazillion ways you can go with it....if you didn't standardize......then it would be a nightmare to install and so forth. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 11 03:23:11 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:23:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 6:56 PM +0000 wrote: >Yes Mike, It provides a webmin module to add users one at a time or in a >batch via a text file. >There in lies issue # 1 for me. It creates it's own user names based on >the firs and last name. It's bad enough around >here when new passwords are required, I don't even want to start giving >out new log-on names. How would you prefer it? Maybe we can request a feature? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 11 03:23:11 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:23:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 6:56 PM +0000 wrote: >Yes Mike, It provides a webmin module to add users one at a time or in a >batch via a text file. >There in lies issue # 1 for me. It creates it's own user names based on >the firs and last name. It's bad enough around >here when new passwords are required, I don't even want to start giving >out new log-on names. How would you prefer it? Maybe we can request a feature? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 11 03:19:42 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:19:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release with updated features In-Reply-To: <4192D550.2040107@telus.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Eric Harrison wrote: > >>I'll have a pre-release of K12LTSP 4.2.0 ready by the end of the >>week. >> >I think you deserve a holiday Eric. Don't burn yourself out. We want you >to say healthy ;) No worries ;-) >BTW are there still plans to make a 3.2 version (3.1.2 with updated >packages) ? Yes, if all goes well I'll have that done real-soon-now as well. But 4.2.0 will be first, since all of the K12LTSP 4.1.1 packages were trivial to port. Back-porting these packages to make a 3.2.0 is much more time-consuming. -Eric From bill at computassist.com Thu Nov 11 03:51:24 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:51:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? Message-ID: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> I support a small high school with a 30-computer student lab. They ran SuSE Linux on the individual machines up until last summer, when the powers on high declared it would be switched to Windows. We converted all the machines to W2K over the summer (still running Samba on the Linux server for personal folders and network shares.) Today I had a conversation with the teacher responsible for the day-to- day lab operation, and she's had enough of Windows. After fighting with viruses, spyware, and crashing computers, she wants to go back to Linux! I'll be demoing K12LTSP this Friday, using my LTSP server which I'll bring on site, and a few of her lab computers booted from floppies. Do any of you have recommendations for how I should approach the demo? Any experiences or wisdom to share? Once the comps are booted over the network (which still has a small WOW factor for me, and I know how it works ;-) what then? Obviously I'll show her OpenOffice and Mozilla, maybe Scribus and some of the Kedu stuff. More than that, I want to emphasize how easy it will be to administer and maintain. Since I do most things from a console, I'm wondering what GUI program folks use for user maintenance. Lots of questions, feel free to take a crack at any of 'em. I'd love to see Linux back in this lab. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Nov 11 05:32:22 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:32:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux Message-ID: <1100151142.2809.197.camel@localhost.localdomain> David Trask wrote: > How would you prefer it? Maybe we can request a feature? Maybe something in the order of: If User ID field is empty one will be created for you. This isn't critical either, but people like to choose the names for their servers, domains etc. All in all skole/debian-edu is an impressive project also. And if I may say so, "The meeting by the Sea" is further proof positive of the benefits of OSS. John From scott at hosef.org Thu Nov 11 05:53:38 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:53:38 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> Message-ID: <4192FE62.4090703@hosef.org> Bill Bardon wrote: > I support a small high school with a 30-computer student lab. They ran > SuSE Linux on the individual machines up until last summer, when the > powers on high declared it would be switched to Windows. We converted > all the machines to W2K over the summer (still running Samba on the > Linux server for personal folders and network shares.) > > Today I had a conversation with the teacher responsible for the day-to- > day lab operation, and she's had enough of Windows. After fighting > with viruses, spyware, and crashing computers, she wants to go back to > Linux! > > I'll be demoing K12LTSP this Friday, using my LTSP server which I'll > bring on site, and a few of her lab computers booted from floppies. Do > any of you have recommendations for how I should approach the demo? Any > experiences or wisdom to share? Once the comps are booted over the > network (which still has a small WOW factor for me, and I know how it > works ;-) what then? > > Obviously I'll show her OpenOffice and Mozilla, maybe Scribus and some > of the Kedu stuff. More than that, I want to emphasize how easy it will > be to administer and maintain. Since I do most things from a console, > I'm wondering what GUI program folks use for user maintenance. > > Lots of questions, feel free to take a crack at any of 'em. I'd love to > see Linux back in this lab. > > We are slowly acquiring a good deal of experience in approaching schools with the benefits of an Open Source Software lab. In a recent presentation at an ilearning conference for our Department of Education, I think I finally found the zone. What I like to do first is to demonstrate the software. Using a donated laptop installed with the K12LTSP, I go through these slides: http://www.hosef.org/projects/eschool/ilearning/presentationoo.sxi though earlier in the year I used these Webmin heavy slides (Webmin is featured prominently and appropriately in Skolelinux) at our eSchool Conference http://econference.k12.hi.us/conf2004/ http://www.hosef.org/projects/eschool/eschool.rev2.eyecandy.sxi They emphasize that Open Source Software labs provide a vendor neutral, standards-compliant learning platform that provides free software tools that can be integrated into existing curricula in order to meet or exceed NCLB Mandates. I draw attention to the job creating potential, the economic development opportunities, and the education innovation and entrepreneurship opportunities (ala Bill Kendrick and his Tux* Suite). I think that in the future I will not show screen shots of the programs but instead actually launch them. At any rate, I stop halfway through and explain that this is all great. Now all we have to do is to use this free software and install it on the computers we have at our schools, or we can just get new ones with the money we can save on software. Problem is, there aren't any or many computers in place already, and there is really not money to be saved and then spent for new ones. Here begins the magical pitch. I ask, 'What if I could show you how to extend the resources of existing computers and turn previously discarded computers into fully functional workstations?' Puzzlement. Out of my bag comes the switch. Out of my bag comes two network cables. I explain that just as your cable box gets its programs through a high-speed cable, the version of Linux that we promote for schools enables a central server to power previously discarded computers with the speed of today's supercomputer. Next comes the magical Dell Box. Seen here already naked http://www.hosef.org/gallery/exhibitions/dscf0251 its case cover is removed by pressing two buttons, its cd and floppy are quickly released, and I can hold this up and show that, hard drive free, it looks like and borders on being trash. While removing the parts I explain that this method of setting up a computer lab enables the school to use either computers that it currently refuses from the community for being too slow or computers that HOSEF can donate to it to create a complete computer lab. I plug in the peripherals, I plug it into the switch, I plug the switch into the server, and I plug the overhead into the client. 30 seconds later I callously pick up the booted client and say that this junk is now treasure. I log in, and I complete the presentation from there. I explain how using these components from NewEgg http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=904498 and donated computers from HOSEF we were able to set up a 30-client computer lab at Enchanted Lake Elementary that cost the school 3344.17 http://www.hosef.org/gallery/enchanted-lake and that was written about here http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Sep/16/ln/ln21a.html Incidentally, our new build list is now this one: http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1031978 So, I now have the audience enthralled and interested. This is where we have a lot of strength because we already have a laundry list of DOE schools running Linux that we can refer them to. One of those is an Adult School where we have donated a lab and now hold weekly workshops and classes, for free, as a community service. By partnering with the Honolulu Community College (heavily Debian based for core network services) we are able to store hundreds of ready to roll clients. This is also where we as a community are most exposed. We still don't have out of the box documentation and curricula to make this immediately valuable. The Skolelinux folks have written a bunch of great documentation and simplified the install as much as possible, just as the K12LTSP folks have. The fact is, though, without national support, without a backbone of easily attained documentation, we are vulnerable. I have to no avail implored IBM, Novell, and HP to get on board with this tremendous opportunity to sell software, support, and hardware. I end the presentation by explaining that we by no means promote the rip and replace philosophy for diffusing this OSS innovation. If a school is comfortable with and well-served by a proprietary application, it should be left alone. We do emphasize, though, that there are OSS alternatives, as we all know, to many name-brand apps that are worth considering. We propose that Linux labs be used as the workhorse and if there is money leftover to spend that it be used for support, training, and that delicious Apple hardware so good for multimedia education. That is how we approach it. I could say so, so much more, but I'll save it for other threads. If we can serve as a reference, or if our DOE success is of value to you, please exploit us. Below my signature are some links to other press. Soon, very soon, two one-hour videos will be put online from my TV appearances on a DOE program in which I install and demonstrate the K12LTSP on live TV. Hosted by a seasoned teacher, he asks all the right questions, and I hope that once online this will be a valuable resource for all of us. with aloha --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org http://www.hawaiibusiness.cc/hb52003/default.cfm?articleid=11 http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2004/09/06/story6.html?page=1 http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6201542989.html http://thinktechhawaii.com/sounds/ScottBelford.mp3 http://www.starbulletin.com/2004/11/03/news/story18.html http://www.kaleo.org/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/03/4188779418878?in_archive=1 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Nov 11 06:36:32 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:36:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Home System In-Reply-To: <1100128187.7484.11.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100128187.7484.11.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <41930870.2000706@snet.net> Jack wrote: > This might sound strange but I am using k12ltsp as my home automation > system. Currently I have my server(s) in a closet. The ltsp server is > hooked into my stereo via the soundcard output. I'd like to have and > icon on all the desktops that basically runs the home stereo via xmms. > When I run xmms from a terminal the individual terminal brings up xmms > and plays just fine from that location (say the garage). I'd like to > have an icon that launches xmms on the server console via. > Just kind of a side note. When I run xmms out to my stereo, I find it sounds a lot better if I disable the xmms graphic eq and just use the eq on my stereo. tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From robark at telus.net Thu Nov 11 08:07:24 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:07:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Cheap Cluster Server Message-ID: <41931DBC.6000804@telus.net> Would this idea work? After reading this article http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2271 on Anandtech. I thought why not use this idea for an LTSP server. Why not make a MONSTER LTSP server with say a 6 node cluster of AMD Sempron 3100+. They have built in memory controller so RAM latency is low. They are 754 pin cpu and most of these MB come with Gigabit lan and SATA built in. Here is the specs for each node: CPU AMD Sempron 3100+ (32bit cpu) $150 MB ASUS K8V-X VIA K8T800 Gigabit LAN, SATA $120 Ram 2 sticks of 512MB= 1GB DDR400 $200 HD 1 Seagate SATA 120GB $120 case with quality 350W PS $100 Total cost of 1 node approx. $700 Cluster price approx. $4200 + Plus Switch for cluster: 8 port gigabit switch $200 = $4400 total (approx. same price as a dual Xeon 2.8Ghz with 4Gb of RAM) But this 6 node cluster would be at least 10x more powerful. 720 GB disk storage 6GB RAM (easily expandable to 9GB) The only problem is I have never built a linux cluster before! Is my excitement unjustified???? Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary School From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Nov 11 07:13:14 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 11 Nov 2004 12:43:14 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] egroupware] Message-ID: <1100157194.3409.1.camel@bp> Certainly it is an excellent groupware, i have implemented on a test machine and also showed it at linux asia -2004, held in India. it is very cool, light, fast and ..... bimal pandit On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 04:57, John Baillie wrote: > Anyone here using egroupware? > > I was hoping to sit it right on top of skole's samba ldap server last > weekend but ran into a few glitches I ended up setting it up on another > box and liked what I saw. > > I'm really impressed with how this project is coming along. I was > looking to it for providing web folders to the school but am now > considering implementing their shared calendaring also. Liked the Help > tickets and webmail too. > > If only I could integrate some of basmatti, a little of moodle, a dash > of schoolmation to egroupware... Wow. Oh yea, and then if Advantage > Learning Systems would WAKE up... > > John > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From fhkms at adelphia.net Thu Nov 11 10:24:52 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 5:24:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords Message-ID: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I have a disgruntled student who changed his user password and will not tell faculty what it is. I can access his home directory from root I know, but would still like to find out this password. How do I do this? I have locked his account out. Also, is there a way to make it so they cannot change their password? thanks! From robowens at myway.com Thu Nov 11 11:35:33 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:35:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? Message-ID: <20041111113533.26B7012D5B@mprdmxin.myway.com> In order to drive home the point of how easy it is to administer, I would do your initial install with few packages. Then say "oh, you want a word processor on all the computers?" and then install it in a matter of minutes. Of course somebody who is computer savy will comprehend that this can be done, but even for these people I think actually seeing it being done helps to drive home the point of how simple it is. -Rob --- On Wed 11/10, Bill Bardon < bill at computassist.com > wrote: From: Bill Bardon [mailto: bill at computassist.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:51:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? I support a small high school with a 30-computer student lab. They ran
SuSE Linux on the individual machines up until last summer, when the
powers on high declared it would be switched to Windows. We converted
all the machines to W2K over the summer (still running Samba on the
Linux server for personal folders and network shares.)

Today I had a conversation with the teacher responsible for the day-to-
day lab operation, and she's had enough of Windows. After fighting
with viruses, spyware, and crashing computers, she wants to go back to
Linux!

I'll be demoing K12LTSP this Friday, using my LTSP server which I'll
bring on site, and a few of her lab computers booted from floppies. Do
any of you have recommendations for how I should approach the demo? Any
experiences or wisdom to share? Once the comps are booted over the
network (which still has a small WOW factor for me, and I know how it
works ;-) what then?

Obviously ! I'll show her OpenOffice and Mozilla, maybe Scribus and some
of the Kedu stuff. More than that, I want to emphasize how easy it will
be to administer and maintain. Since I do most things from a console,
I'm wondering what GUI program folks use for user maintenance.

Lots of questions, feel free to take a crack at any of 'em. I'd love to
see Linux back in this lab.


--
Bill Bardon
COMPUTASSIST
Omaha, Nebraska
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Nov 11 12:09:49 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:09:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <200411111209.49876.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 11 Nov 2004 10:24 am, Will Hatch wrote: > I have a disgruntled student who changed his user password and will not > tell faculty what it is. I can access his home directory from root I know, > but would still like to find out this password. How do I do this? I have > locked his account out. Also, is there a way to make it so they cannot > change their password? thanks! John the Ripper will crack a password, provided the cunning user hasn't made it too complex. For instance, I think John will find lem0n but it won't find h2so4. www.openwall.com/john Why bother to crack it? Just change it to something that you know. I don't know how you can prevent the user from changing their password, but that doesn't mean that there isn't one. One solution is to write a script that calls /usr/sbin/chpasswd ; this needs an input file of : username:password You can call this from cron so that it will constantly change the users password back, or you could write a C wrapper to call it from .bash_logout for the user, or you could use sudo to achieve the same thing, making the permissions script that you call from .bash_logout 711 . -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From haysja at sages.us Thu Nov 11 12:33:46 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:33:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> Message-ID: <1100176426.41935c2a6c123@sages.us> The fact that this lab already had Linux in it once and the teacher responsible for the lab wants Linux back, the biggest battle has already been fought and won. All you should need to do is show that it works. How powerful are the workstations and how good is your server. If you have a server that is robust enough and the workstations are a little "weak", you may consider leaving one computer running Windows and running a side-by-side comparison. Quoting Bill Bardon : > I support a small high school with a 30-computer student lab. They ran > SuSE Linux on the individual machines up until last summer, when the > powers on high declared it would be switched to Windows. We converted > all the machines to W2K over the summer (still running Samba on the > Linux server for personal folders and network shares.) > > Today I had a conversation with the teacher responsible for the day-to- > day lab operation, and she's had enough of Windows. After fighting > with viruses, spyware, and crashing computers, she wants to go back to > Linux! > > I'll be demoing K12LTSP this Friday, using my LTSP server which I'll > bring on site, and a few of her lab computers booted from floppies. Do > any of you have recommendations for how I should approach the demo? Any > experiences or wisdom to share? Once the comps are booted over the > network (which still has a small WOW factor for me, and I know how it > works ;-) what then? > > Obviously I'll show her OpenOffice and Mozilla, maybe Scribus and some > of the Kedu stuff. More than that, I want to emphasize how easy it will > be to administer and maintain. Since I do most things from a console, > I'm wondering what GUI program folks use for user maintenance. > > Lots of questions, feel free to take a crack at any of 'em. I'd love to > see Linux back in this lab. > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Nov 11 12:36:41 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:36:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <200411111209.49876.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <200411111209.49876.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <56DDD8FC-33DE-11D9-9203-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 chmod passwd so it is only executable by root and the administrative group? On Nov 11, 2004, at 6:09 AM, Martin Woolley wrote: > On Thursday 11 Nov 2004 10:24 am, Will Hatch wrote: >> I have a disgruntled student who changed his user password and will >> not >> tell faculty what it is. I can access his home directory from root I >> know, >> but would still like to find out this password. How do I do this? I >> have >> locked his account out. Also, is there a way to make it so they >> cannot >> change their password? thanks! > > John the Ripper will crack a password, provided the cunning user > hasn't made > it too complex. For instance, I think John will find lem0n but it > won't find > h2so4. www.openwall.com/john Why bother to crack it? Just change it > to > something that you know. > > I don't know how you can prevent the user from changing their > password, but > that doesn't mean that there isn't one. One solution is to write a > script > that calls /usr/sbin/chpasswd ; this needs an input file of : > username:password > You can call this from cron so that it will constantly change the users > password back, or you could write a C wrapper to call it from > .bash_logout > for the user, or you could use sudo to achieve the same thing, making > the > permissions script that you call from .bash_logout 711 . > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkGTXNkACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQPWQCfdYA5jHNUxCTz67mHB4IfjFf4 YiAAnjO4SVLics5hE4YwfhAQyxoE6tdo =VQJ5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From morenstein at alum.mit.edu Thu Nov 11 13:18:59 2004 From: morenstein at alum.mit.edu (Mark Orenstein) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:18:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] asterisk PBX In-Reply-To: <33353.68.115.172.62.1100034555.squirrel@68.115.172.62> Message-ID: Does anyone have experience using asterisk within a K12 school. I'm investigating using it as a voice mail system for a small elementary school having 12 teachers. The teachers would listen to their voice mail using their classroom PC; there are no phones within the classrooms. It would supplement the existing 1989 vintage Merlin Plus system in the school which has only one phone available to the teachers. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Thu Nov 11 13:30:01 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:30:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <200411111209.49876.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <200411111209.49876.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <41936959.6000006@jsoft.com> Howdy, Would it be better to just change the password as root? I would not be comfortable with cracking someone's password. Gary Martin Woolley wrote: > On Thursday 11 Nov 2004 10:24 am, Will Hatch wrote: > >>I have a disgruntled student who changed his user password and will not >>tell faculty what it is. I can access his home directory from root I know, >>but would still like to find out this password. How do I do this? I have >>locked his account out. Also, is there a way to make it so they cannot >>change their password? thanks! > > > John the Ripper will crack a password, provided the cunning user hasn't made > it too complex. For instance, I think John will find lem0n but it won't find > h2so4. www.openwall.com/john Why bother to crack it? Just change it to > something that you know. > > I don't know how you can prevent the user from changing their password, but > that doesn't mean that there isn't one. One solution is to write a script > that calls /usr/sbin/chpasswd ; this needs an input file of : > username:password > You can call this from cron so that it will constantly change the users > password back, or you could write a C wrapper to call it from .bash_logout > for the user, or you could use sudo to achieve the same thing, making the > permissions script that you call from .bash_logout 711 . From haysja at sages.us Thu Nov 11 13:46:27 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:46:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <41936959.6000006@jsoft.com> References: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <200411111209.49876.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41936959.6000006@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <1100180787.41936d3326409@sages.us> Quoting Gary Frederick : > Howdy, > > Would it be better to just change the password as root? > > I would not be comfortable with cracking someone's password. > > Gary I would not try to crack the password. I would resest the password to a default. A better question is "Why do the teachers need to know the password?". Give the teachers rights to student folders. This eliminates the teacher's need to know the password, unless, of course, the teacher is on a power trip and wants to control everything. The only reason that I can see for a teacher needing to know the passwords would be for very young students where you expect the students to forget passwords and have login problems. There are other ways to solve this that to have a manufactured fight between teacher and student. Reset the password. Tell the student that he/she needs to share his/her password with the teacher if asked. The problem here seems to run much deeper that a technology issue. Technology can't solve problems of insubordination, power plays, etc. If you want, you can take the previous suggestion of changing permission settings on passwd and not allowing students to change passwords, but this can be handled at the policy level by implementing a school policy that students must share passwords with teachers if asked. (If that is a direction your school wants to go.) Too often we try to come up with technological solutions for social problems. I do not view a student not being willing to share a password with a teacher as a technological problem. This is a student who is being insubordinate. Steps need to be taken outside the realm of technology to deal with this. If you don't have a policy regarding student passwords and teacher's access to student folders, you shoule write one and get it approved quickly. ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From accessys at smart.net Thu Nov 11 13:56:47 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:56:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <1100180787.41936d3326409@sages.us> References: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <200411111209.49876.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41936959.6000006@jsoft.com> <1100180787.41936d3326409@sages.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > I would not try to crack the password. I would resest the password to a default. as would I, in fact I might consider assigning passwords to students and them requesting for changes that are made by admin. > > Reset the password. Tell the student that he/she needs to share his/her > password with the teacher if asked. have students put password on paper and seal in an envelope which can be kept in student file, also usefull if student moves, is in an accident or ill.. I would think teacher/admin would be part of every student user group. > The problem here seems to run much deeper that a technology issue. Technology > can't solve problems of insubordination, power plays, etc. very true, but I also work with an inner city "tough" parochial high school so I can relate to your problem. > If you don't have a policy regarding student passwords and teacher's access to > student folders, you shoule write one and get it approved quickly. true Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From haysja at sages.us Thu Nov 11 14:09:42 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:09:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: References: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <200411111209.49876.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41936959.6000006@jsoft.com> <1100180787.41936d3326409@sages.us> Message-ID: <1100182182.419372a6ba468@sages.us> > I would think teacher/admin would be part of every student user group. > > > The problem here seems to run much deeper that a technology issue. > Technology > > can't solve problems of insubordination, power plays, etc. > > very true, but I also work with an inner city "tough" parochial high > school so I can relate to your problem. > I don't work in a city school. I guess we have a little more power out here in the "sticks" ;) I can empathize with the problem. My point is that we spend too much time trying to find technological solutions to problems that are not technological in nature. Having said that, if a technological "solution" to the problem can be found, it should be implemented - but it should not be the only step taken to rectify the situation. The technological solution should accompany a new password policy for the school. ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From fhkms at adelphia.net Thu Nov 11 14:26:59 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 9:26:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords Message-ID: <20041111142659.VER14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> this is a sex offender program. We reserve the right to have access to all student passwords, folders, history. I didn't mention this earlier. Sorry about that. > > From: Jim Hays > Date: 2004/11/11 Thu AM 08:46:27 EST > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] finding user passwords > > Quoting Gary Frederick : > > > Howdy, > > > > Would it be better to just change the password as root? > > > > I would not be comfortable with cracking someone's password. > > > > Gary > > I would not try to crack the password. I would resest the password to a default. > > A better question is "Why do the teachers need to know the password?". Give the > teachers rights to student folders. This eliminates the teacher's need to know > the password, unless, of course, the teacher is on a power trip and wants to > control everything. The only reason that I can see for a teacher needing to > know the passwords would be for very young students where you expect the > students to forget passwords and have login problems. There are other ways to > solve this that to have a manufactured fight between teacher and student. > > Reset the password. Tell the student that he/she needs to share his/her > password with the teacher if asked. > > The problem here seems to run much deeper that a technology issue. Technology > can't solve problems of insubordination, power plays, etc. > > If you want, you can take the previous suggestion of changing permission > settings on passwd and not allowing students to change passwords, but this can > be handled at the policy level by implementing a school policy that students > must share passwords with teachers if asked. (If that is a direction your > school wants to go.) > > Too often we try to come up with technological solutions for social problems. I > do not view a student not being willing to share a password with a teacher as a > technological problem. This is a student who is being insubordinate. Steps > need to be taken outside the realm of technology to deal with this. > > If you don't have a policy regarding student passwords and teacher's access to > student folders, you shoule write one and get it approved quickly. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jim Hays > Technology Director > Monticello CUSD#25 > Monticello, IL 61856 > ----------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Nov 11 15:06:44 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: 11 Nov 2004 10:06:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] david:skolelinux In-Reply-To: References: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100185603.11717.1.camel@leigh> skolelinux is really pretty..havnt gor further than that..chuck On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 22:15, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 6:56 PM +0000 wrote: > >Someone mentioned it had ldap/samba and a user management GUI tool > >that worked out of the box. Is that correct, and can you tell if > >it would likely work to run one of these to create the accounts > >and home directories which you would NFS mount from k12ltsp servers > >configured to authenticate against ldap? Or - would the ldap server > >configuration be easy to port? > > According to Ragnar Wisloff of Norway and SkoleLinux.....that's what many > schools in his area do....they use a SkoleLinux server running Samba/LDAP > and then set up the K12LTSP servers behind it and auth to it. Works great > according to him. SkoleLinux also uses LTSP. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Thu Nov 11 15:28:03 2004 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:28:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1100176426.41935c2a6c123@sages.us> Message-ID: <000801c4c803$09d249d0$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> You can do what I did with my lab. The boot sequence is PXE and then harddrive. When students need or want to us linux they reboot. If they want windows they press escape during the pxe boot sequence and boot from the hard drive. I still haven't figured out how to make homes for both systems less painful, so they usually only use WinXP. :( Its just hard to teach full time and still take care of the network, and help each department figure out their software, and ...) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hays Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:34 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? The fact that this lab already had Linux in it once and the teacher responsible for the lab wants Linux back, the biggest battle has already been fought and won. All you should need to do is show that it works. How powerful are the workstations and how good is your server. If you have a server that is robust enough and the workstations are a little "weak", you may consider leaving one computer running Windows and running a side-by-side comparison. Quoting Bill Bardon : > I support a small high school with a 30-computer student lab. They ran > SuSE Linux on the individual machines up until last summer, when the > powers on high declared it would be switched to Windows. We converted > all the machines to W2K over the summer (still running Samba on the > Linux server for personal folders and network shares.) > > Today I had a conversation with the teacher responsible for the day-to- > day lab operation, and she's had enough of Windows. After fighting > with viruses, spyware, and crashing computers, she wants to go back to > Linux! > > I'll be demoing K12LTSP this Friday, using my LTSP server which I'll > bring on site, and a few of her lab computers booted from floppies. Do > any of you have recommendations for how I should approach the demo? Any > experiences or wisdom to share? Once the comps are booted over the > network (which still has a small WOW factor for me, and I know how it > works ;-) what then? > > Obviously I'll show her OpenOffice and Mozilla, maybe Scribus and some > of the Kedu stuff. More than that, I want to emphasize how easy it will > be to administer and maintain. Since I do most things from a console, > I'm wondering what GUI program folks use for user maintenance. > > Lots of questions, feel free to take a crack at any of 'em. I'd love to > see Linux back in this lab. > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From haysja at sages.us Thu Nov 11 15:31:05 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:31:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <20041111142659.VER14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20041111142659.VER14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1100187064.419385b9017a4@sages.us> Quoting Will Hatch : > this is a sex offender program. We reserve the right to have access to all > student passwords, folders, history. I didn't mention this earlier. Sorry > about that. > > > > That answers a lot........... Good luck... In that case, I would lean toward assigning passwords and not allowing students to change them. ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Nov 11 15:38:14 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:38:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] multiple LTSP servers on the same network using XDMCP chooser Message-ID: <41938766.8060300@magic.fr> Hello We've got a 35+ node network running on a dual xeon 2.4/2 Gigs of ram, three 10/100 switches. We want to add a second server (maybe third) server to the network to improve performance and have students choose a server with under X number of users. Under FC2 using NFS to mount the home directories on a central server has not worked with any of the window managers: XDM/ KDM or GDM. We've looked over the docs and tried to fill in the blanks in the where appropriate: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/RecentEdits?days=7 We could really use some help here though. Buying bigger iron is not an option. We built the network on the shoestrings I found in my empty pockets. We could really use some help with the XDMCP chooser... We backed out to FC1 but still had problems with the NFS mounting home directories and XDMCP playing nice... Does anyone on this list have FC2 and XDMCP chooser running multiple LTSP servers and a central mounted NFS /home? If yes, could you post the critical pieces of the setup process and samples from your history commands? We're in a real bind here and could use a success story! :) many thanks! Dennis From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 11 15:50:55 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:50:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: References: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41929F55.60906@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41938A5F.5000600@paasda.org> The LTSP part is what I played with yesterday... It seemed incredibly speedy for KDE...but then I was only 1 client and plugged into the same switch as the server 1 meter away =) I liked how they did the little quick-launch task bar with the 'OS/X-like' enlarging of the icon with mouseover...just looked slick as hell! and Koffice stuff opened much faster than OO...and response times seemed incredibly speedy... I'm afraid that's all I will have time to test until summer break though... then WHO KNOWS =)...directory structure is slightly diff on the debian based distro though. and the default dhcp configuration I don't like...but *shrug* I'm not complain'n, will just have to learn how to hack it the way I like if I'm going to use it. --Huck David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 6:08 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>I will say, it worked out of the box with zero effort and the KDE was >>surprisingly FAST! >>There was also a kde menu editor that was very simple to use...I only >>tested with 1 user and 1 client on my old >>demo machine...so nothing production style. >> >> > >I haven't tried out the LTSP part yet....next week I hope, but I have seen >the Samba/LDAP part. The Samba?LDAP stuff does have some hard-coded >defaults...and this is necessary as there are a bazillion ways you can go >with it....if you didn't standardize......then it would be a nightmare to >install and so forth. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 11 15:56:26 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:56:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <000801c4c803$09d249d0$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> References: <000801c4c803$09d249d0$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> Message-ID: <41938BAA.2010007@paasda.org> Tim, Homes for both systems: If you have the WinXP machines join a domain(and use your LTSP server as the Primary Domain Controller) you can map(with a simple 1 line login script) their /home/ home directory from the LTSP machine to their "H:\" drive on the WinXP machine. That is how I do it here...thus, when in the Windows lab, LTSP labs, Mac Lab, a student can access their "home" directory from any and all of the machines! --Huck Tim Kaldahl wrote: >You can do what I did with my lab. The boot sequence is PXE and then >harddrive. When students need or want to us linux they reboot. If they want >windows they press escape during the pxe boot sequence and boot from the >hard drive. I still haven't figured out how to make homes for both systems >less painful, so they usually only use WinXP. :( Its just hard to teach full >time and still take care of the network, and help each department figure out >their software, and ...) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Jim Hays >Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:34 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? > > >The fact that this lab already had Linux in it once and the teacher >responsible >for the lab wants Linux back, the biggest battle has already been fought and >won. All you should need to do is show that it works. > >How powerful are the workstations and how good is your server. If you have >a >server that is robust enough and the workstations are a little "weak", you >may >consider leaving one computer running Windows and running a side-by-side >comparison. > > > >Quoting Bill Bardon : > > > >>I support a small high school with a 30-computer student lab. They ran >>SuSE Linux on the individual machines up until last summer, when the >>powers on high declared it would be switched to Windows. We converted >>all the machines to W2K over the summer (still running Samba on the >>Linux server for personal folders and network shares.) >> >>Today I had a conversation with the teacher responsible for the day-to- >>day lab operation, and she's had enough of Windows. After fighting >>with viruses, spyware, and crashing computers, she wants to go back to >>Linux! >> >>I'll be demoing K12LTSP this Friday, using my LTSP server which I'll >>bring on site, and a few of her lab computers booted from floppies. Do >>any of you have recommendations for how I should approach the demo? Any >>experiences or wisdom to share? Once the comps are booted over the >>network (which still has a small WOW factor for me, and I know how it >>works ;-) what then? >> >>Obviously I'll show her OpenOffice and Mozilla, maybe Scribus and some >>of the Kedu stuff. More than that, I want to emphasize how easy it will >>be to administer and maintain. Since I do most things from a console, >>I'm wondering what GUI program folks use for user maintenance. >> >>Lots of questions, feel free to take a crack at any of 'em. I'd love to >>see Linux back in this lab. >> >> >>-- >>Bill Bardon >>COMPUTASSIST >>Omaha, Nebraska >>http://www.computassist.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >----------------------------------------- >Jim Hays >Technology Director >Monticello CUSD#25 >Monticello, IL 61856 >----------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From toma at organiccollege.com Thu Nov 11 15:53:54 2004 From: toma at organiccollege.com (Tom Atkins) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:53:54 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminals with screen in power save do not come back to life with mouse / keyboard Message-ID: <001501c4c806$a65788d0$0501a8c0@OmeletteAcer> Many thanks for your thoughts and suggestions. Unfortunately the issue remains although I've tried all suggestions so far! I thought the BIOS might be a good plan, but I've tried various changes (including disabling all power management options in the BIOS) and still no joy. I'm away from the college for a few days now. I'll update the list if I can shed any further light on this in the future. Tom From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 11 16:03:34 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:03:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <1100180787.41936d3326409@sages.us> References: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <200411111209.49876.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41936959.6000006@jsoft.com> <1100180787.41936d3326409@sages.us> Message-ID: <41938D56.1060309@paasda.org> I agree with Jim...technology don't solve "parenting issues".. Insubordination in today's youth I fear will be the ruin of us all... [* removed the part about beat'n the kid with a 'holey paddle' ;) *] --Huck Jim Hays wrote: >I would not try to crack the password. I would resest the password to a default. > >A better question is "Why do the teachers need to know the password?". Give the >teachers rights to student folders. This eliminates the teacher's need to know >the password, unless, of course, the teacher is on a power trip and wants to >control everything. The only reason that I can see for a teacher needing to >know the passwords would be for very young students where you expect the >students to forget passwords and have login problems. There are other ways to >solve this that to have a manufactured fight between teacher and student. > >Reset the password. Tell the student that he/she needs to share his/her >password with the teacher if asked. > >The problem here seems to run much deeper that a technology issue. Technology >can't solve problems of insubordination, power plays, etc. > >If you want, you can take the previous suggestion of changing permission >settings on passwd and not allowing students to change passwords, but this can >be handled at the policy level by implementing a school policy that students >must share passwords with teachers if asked. (If that is a direction your >school wants to go.) > >Too often we try to come up with technological solutions for social problems. I >do not view a student not being willing to share a password with a teacher as a >technological problem. This is a student who is being insubordinate. Steps >need to be taken outside the realm of technology to deal with this. > >If you don't have a policy regarding student passwords and teacher's access to >student folders, you shoule write one and get it approved quickly. > >----------------------------------------- >Jim Hays >Technology Director >Monticello CUSD#25 >Monticello, IL 61856 >----------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From trondrm at online.no Thu Nov 11 17:50:02 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:50:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: References: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100195402.3988.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> tor, 11.11.2004 kl. 04.15 skrev David Trask: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 6:56 PM +0000 wrote: > >Someone mentioned it had ldap/samba and a user management GUI tool > >that worked out of the box. Is that correct, and can you tell if > >it would likely work to run one of these to create the accounts > >and home directories which you would NFS mount from k12ltsp servers > >configured to authenticate against ldap? Or - would the ldap server > >configuration be easy to port? > > According to Ragnar Wisloff of Norway and SkoleLinux.....that's what many > schools in his area do....they use a SkoleLinux server running Samba/LDAP > and then set up the K12LTSP servers behind it and auth to it. Works great > according to him. SkoleLinux also uses LTSP. I suspect that Ragnar is talking about my setup. I like using Skolelinux as a fileserver for the ldap/samba thing. It also has some other nice services which "work out of the box", like dns, backup, proxy with squidguard and other things. The thing I dislike about Skolelinux is that it's based on Debian Woody = old software like KDE 2.2.2... It's also a timeconsuming job to integrate it into a network which isn't the default 192.168.0. net. It also comes without Xvnc configured as opposed to K12LTSP. Enter K12LTSP. I use K12LTSP 4.0.1 for all my LTSP servers, The all use LDAP authentication against the Skolelinux server. It also NFS mounts the users homedirs. I tried K12LTSP 4.1, but could not make the ldap authentication work. Has FC2 introduced something new there? In fact Ragnar Wisloff did most of the job configuring our Skolelinux servers, so he should know that our setup works well. I have a Skolelinux server with all the services and 5 LTSP servers based on K12LTSP using Skolelinux as ldap/samba/home/dns/proxy/backup... Regards Trond M?hlum > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 17:50:14 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:50:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> Message-ID: <20041111175014.26964.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, For doing maintenance on my school's server boxes, I use to use webmin. Webmin was nice because you could use the batch user add tool and it had a nice interface. But now, I just use the redhat-config apps and the console. In terms of your demo, here are a few things I would do,IMHO (Warning: long post): 1. Make sure you run through your presentation at least once. I mean, pick out and test the terminals you are going to use. I know k12ltsp is a turnkey solution and most terminals work with it out the box. But, resist the urge to just walk in there the day of the presentation and use any ole desktop as a terminal. Sometimes stuff needs to be configured. It would be a shame the day of the presentation to pick some random computers to use and one or two of them don't work as smoothly as you would like. 2. If you have k12ltsp on a decent laptop, use it as your demo server. This is for a few reasons. One, If your lazy like me, you don't want to be hauling around a server box. Two, lots of people view laptops as a lighter weight computing device compared to servers or even desktops. If you do that, people will be blown away that a laptop can support a few computers. Then you can say "just think of the number of computers I can support with a real server!" 3. Make sure the computers that will be the terminals are clean and free of scratches, finger prints, etc. as much as possible. This has a physiological effect on your audience's sub conscious. For one, it makes them focus their attention on the non-windows box because they will stand out a little bit. Two, they will say that these PCs are better than the others because they are clean. Hopefully they will equate better with k12ltsp being better than windows as well. Here is an analogy; Lets say you have to buy a item you know little about. When you go to the store and there are two brands of the same item, you are going to pick the one that has the box that looks more appealing to the eye, because you equate the better box with being a better product inside even though there is no real correlation. Here is another example; Many un knowledgeable people buy Macs because of their innovative case designs and not on what their needs are. 4. Some people don't get things until they see it. You can demo k12ltsp but, your audience might not envision the students using it. So, if during your presentation, if you had a student or two, surfing the web, typing up a report in OpenOffice, using the graphing calculator program, using GIMP or Scribus, etc., it would help. Then the audience could see that the students could use Linux, that it is easy to use even with complex apps, and that the kids don't have to re learn a new computer system. 5. If you could find articles/ case studies about Linux in education, that would be helpful too but I know those are hard to find. That's about it. I'm sorry that I was long winded. Chris --- Bill Bardon wrote: > I support a small high school with a 30-computer > student lab. They ran > SuSE Linux on the individual machines up until last > summer, when the > powers on high declared it would be switched to > Windows. We converted > all the machines to W2K over the summer (still > running Samba on the > Linux server for personal folders and network > shares.) > > Today I had a conversation with the teacher > responsible for the day-to- > day lab operation, and she's had enough of Windows. > After fighting > with viruses, spyware, and crashing computers, she > wants to go back to > Linux! > > I'll be demoing K12LTSP this Friday, using my LTSP > server which I'll > bring on site, and a few of her lab computers booted > from floppies. Do > any of you have recommendations for how I should > approach the demo? Any > experiences or wisdom to share? Once the comps are > booted over the > network (which still has a small WOW factor for me, > and I know how it > works ;-) what then? > > Obviously I'll show her OpenOffice and Mozilla, > maybe Scribus and some > of the Kedu stuff. More than that, I want to > emphasize how easy it will > be to administer and maintain. Since I do most > things from a console, > I'm wondering what GUI program folks use for user > maintenance. > > Lots of questions, feel free to take a crack at any > of 'em. I'd love to > see Linux back in this lab. > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at telus.net Thu Nov 11 18:55:37 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:55:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminals with screen in power save do not come back to life with mouse / keyboard In-Reply-To: <001501c4c806$a65788d0$0501a8c0@OmeletteAcer> References: <001501c4c806$a65788d0$0501a8c0@OmeletteAcer> Message-ID: <4193B5A9.2040302@telus.net> Try disabling Power Saving in the BIOS of the clients. Also look at this http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AScreen%20Blanking Robert Arkiletian Tom Atkins wrote: >Many thanks for your thoughts and suggestions. Unfortunately the issue >remains although I've tried all suggestions so far! I thought the BIOS >might be a good plan, but I've tried various changes (including disabling >all power management options in the BIOS) and still no joy. > >I'm away from the college for a few days now. I'll update the list if I can >shed any further light on this in the future. > >Tom > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From robark at telus.net Thu Nov 11 19:22:15 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:22:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Cheap Cluster Server In-Reply-To: <41931DBC.6000804@telus.net> References: <41931DBC.6000804@telus.net> Message-ID: <4193BBE7.3010108@telus.net> I think David meant to send his reply to the list. David H. Barr wrote: > I would actually recommend AGAINST the Sempron's for anything > high-performance. The benchmarks I've seen > (http://anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2139) seem to suggest that > for most tasks you'd be better off with a Barton core AthlonXP... I > see a 2800+ with SATA and 1000bt for about $190. > > > I read the link about the Sempron and I agree the socket A Semprons are not worth it. But the 3100+ is actually a Athlon64 with X86-64 disabled and 256kb cache. The article you mention actually promotes the 3100+ model because it has a built in memory controller like the Athlon64. It's a 754 pin cpu. The socket A Barton does have double the L2 cache but much slower main memory latency. Check out the performace graphs. Only the athlon64 beats the sempron 3100+. > With the RAM, you can often find 1 stick of 1GP DDR 333/400 for about > $100 or so, whereas 2 512's offers less performance for more cost: > http://www.pricewatch.com/h/prc.aspx?i=33&a=5025&f=1; if you elect to > utilize a Barton core XP, you won't need 400 anyway (operates at 333 > FSB). The Barton's are especially nice for their 512k cache. > > Wow good price on RAM. Okay 2Gb per node for $230/node. That's 12Gb total for the cluster!!! Could serve 120 thin clients. That's 4 full labs of 30. Enough for an entire high school. > For the HardDrive, I see 200GB SATA drives for about $100... You'd > probably want some sort of RAID to increase throughput and > reliability; 3 drives in RAID5 seems to be the defacto standard... > however, you wouldn't need 400 GB of space on all the servers, just on > the one which would hold the /homes I would think. > > Good point. > 350 Watts may not be enough for what you want, but you could easily up > it to 420 without a noticable increase in cost. > > I overestimated on the cost of the case and PS so $100 could still get a 400W PS and case. > All in all, I guess I'm saying you're right on in that it would be > MUCH cheaper than the dual Xeon rig; perhaps even moreso than you think! > > My calculations on these different parts (some of which I just bought > recently) seem to indicate that your estimate is over by over $100 per > machine, which ends up costing you about one machine less, overall. I > think you could probably put this setup together for not more than > $3600, plus a $150 GBe switch (again, Pricewatch) for a total cost of > about $3750. > > > Imagine one MONSTER LTSP cluster like this for around $4,000 providing the computing needs for a 1600 student school. That's $2.50/student plus networking gear. Providing you have the thin clients.(which most schools already do) > And yes, this idea COULD work. Building the cluster itself is fairly > straightforward; it's getting the workloads to properly migrate > between machines that's tricky. But overall, I'd say yes, your > excitement is COMPLETELY justified; it might even be a bit "under the > top" :) > > Anyone know how to build a linux cluster???? Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary School From bill at computassist.com Thu Nov 11 18:24:36 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:24:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> Message-ID: <20041111122436.71609d0d@heaven> Wow, thanks to everyone for the great ideas! This is very helpful. Unfortunately, I won't be able to get into the lab ahead of time to configure a few workstations. I'm hoping I don't run into major configuration problems, but have to leave it to chance somewhat. The clients are clone machines with SiS chipsets from the 2000 era - how likely is it to get a good auto config with these? The idea of running a slide show on the client during the demo is a good one. I'll also create sample OOo writer and calc documents, and maybe have some MS Word and Excel docs handy to demo importing compatibility. Since they have a keyboarding class I'll show Ktouch, and since they are a Christian school I'll have GnomeSword loaded and ready. StarLogo will be good for beginning programming. Lots to do! I need to get acquainted with the redhat user manager and get all this stuff set up. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 11 18:26:27 2004 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (Cory Cartwright) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:26:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <1100187064.419385b9017a4@sages.us> References: <20041111142659.VER14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <1100187064.419385b9017a4@sages.us> Message-ID: <1100197587.4155.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> I would have a big issue with keeping the passwords of students. The main reason is that if the password list may be seen by another student. I think a much better solution is a supervisory access roll in which recent browser history, documents, emails are all monitored by a supervisor, seems like a good job for a Perl application?. This way a student's account cannot be accessed and used by anyone else but themselves. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:31, Jim Hays wrote: > Quoting Will Hatch : > > > this is a sex offender program. We reserve the right to have access to all > > student passwords, folders, history. I didn't mention this earlier. Sorry > > about that. > > > > > > > > That answers a lot........... > > Good luck... > > In that case, I would lean toward assigning passwords and not allowing students > to change them. > > > ----------------------------------------- > Jim Hays > Technology Director > Monticello CUSD#25 > Monticello, IL 61856 > ----------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 11 19:08:22 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:08:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <20041111142659.VER14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20041111142659.VER14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1100200101.32470.203.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 08:26, Will Hatch wrote: > this is a sex offender program. We reserve the right to have access to all student passwords, folders, history. I didn't mention this earlier. Sorry about that. The system administrator always has access to everything that isn't encrypted, and rights to access can be delegated to others with appropriate group memberships and file modes. It is always a good idea to make sure everyone is aware of this and the local policies about using these rights. However, there is a good argument against knowing other passwords in that people very often re-use passwords on different systems. And, of course, any plain-text copy of any password increases the chances that someone unauthorized will see or steal it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Nov 11 19:17:46 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:17:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <1100200101.32470.203.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20041111142659.VER14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <1100200101.32470.203.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4193BADA.6010604@cfl.rr.com> I agree with Les, there are better ways to maintain full control of the system without knowing the students passwords. Les Mikesell wrote: >On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 08:26, Will Hatch wrote: > > >>this is a sex offender program. We reserve the right to have access to all student passwords, folders, history. I didn't mention this earlier. Sorry about that. >> >> > >The system administrator always has access to everything that isn't >encrypted, and rights to access can be delegated to others with >appropriate group memberships and file modes. It is always a good >idea to make sure everyone is aware of this and the local policies about >using these rights. However, there is a good argument against knowing >other passwords in that people very often re-use passwords on different >systems. And, of course, any plain-text copy of any password increases >the chances that someone unauthorized will see or steal it. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 11 19:22:43 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:22:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20041111122436.71609d0d@heaven> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> <20041111122436.71609d0d@heaven> Message-ID: <1100200963.32470.218.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:24, Bill Bardon wrote: > Wow, thanks to everyone for the great ideas! This is very helpful. One thing that *should* matter to decision-makers is the difficulty of maintaining and updating the system. I'm not quite sure how to get across the value of 'yum update' or expain what it does to someone who doesn't already know, but you should take a stab at it somehow. Some of the objections to Linux would be justified if you used distributions that did not have a method built in to automatically pick up bug fixes and security updates and take care of the dependencies while installing them. The k12ltsp system beats anything else you could use in terms of one-stop-shopping to update the OS and applications. One command to do all the updates and you only have to do it on the server(s). Compare that to the paperwork to maintain licenses and service contracts with every vendor of OS and apps on every box, and different methods needed to track bugs and update each of them. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 19:23:21 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:23:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20041111192321.26383.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, As the administrator (root user), is there a way to login to their account (log into gnome or kde), without knowing their password? Chris --- Will Hatch wrote: > I have a disgruntled student who changed his user > password and will not tell faculty what it is. I > can access his home directory from root I know, but > would still like to find out this password. How do > I do this? I have locked his account out. Also, is > there a way to make it so they cannot change their > password? thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Nov 11 19:29:09 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:29:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <20041111192321.26383.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041111192321.26383.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4193BD85.3080405@cfl.rr.com> # su Chris Thomas wrote: >Hello, > >As the administrator (root user), is there a way to >login to their account (log into gnome or kde), >without knowing their password? > >Chris > >--- Will Hatch wrote: > > > >>I have a disgruntled student who changed his user >>password and will not tell faculty what it is. I >>can access his home directory from root I know, but >>would still like to find out this password. How do >>I do this? I have locked his account out. Also, is >>there a way to make it so they cannot change their >>password? thanks! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 19:30:49 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:30:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <4193BD85.3080405@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20041111193049.47649.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> that's in the terminal, i mean in x windows. --- Brian Chase wrote: > # su > > > Chris Thomas wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >As the administrator (root user), is there a way to > >login to their account (log into gnome or kde), > >without knowing their password? > > > >Chris > > > >--- Will Hatch wrote: > > > > > > > >>I have a disgruntled student who changed his user > >>password and will not tell faculty what it is. I > >>can access his home directory from root I know, > but > >>would still like to find out this password. How > do > >>I do this? I have locked his account out. Also, > is > >>there a way to make it so they cannot change their > >>password? thanks! > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From fhkms at adelphia.net Thu Nov 11 19:34:39 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:34:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords Message-ID: <20041111193439.QUZH14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I had no idea that this question would create so much discussion. Thanks all. Our program is very strict. We have to monitor students activity at all times. They cannot even be out of our sight. I made it very clear in the beginning of the semester that passwords are not to be changed. I have since learned how to bypass this. I have Dansguardian on Ipcop in front of my k12 server. Its very safe in my experience. Anyway... I logged in as root, and changed the students password, then logged in. So, problem solved. Thanks again everyone. > > From: Chris Thomas > Date: 2004/11/11 Thu PM 02:30:49 EST > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] finding user passwords > > that's in the terminal, i mean in x windows. > > --- Brian Chase wrote: > > > # su > > > > > > Chris Thomas wrote: > > > > >Hello, > > > > > >As the administrator (root user), is there a way to > > >login to their account (log into gnome or kde), > > >without knowing their password? > > > > > >Chris > > > > > >--- Will Hatch wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>I have a disgruntled student who changed his user > > >>password and will not tell faculty what it is. I > > >>can access his home directory from root I know, > > but > > >>would still like to find out this password. How > > do > > >>I do this? I have locked his account out. Also, > > is > > >>there a way to make it so they cannot change their > > >>password? thanks! > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>For more info see > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 19:35:00 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:35:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] asterisk PBX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041111193500.28382.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not sure exactly what your looking for but here is a good article that gave me a good understanding of voip: www.softwink.com/papers/Installation_ Securing_VoIP_With_Linux If the link doesn't work, use google cache. Chris --- Mark Orenstein wrote: > > Does anyone have experience using asterisk within a > K12 school. I'm > investigating using it as a voice mail system for a > small elementary school > having 12 teachers. The teachers would listen to > their voice mail using > their classroom PC; there are no phones within the > classrooms. It would > supplement the existing 1989 vintage Merlin Plus > system in the school which > has only one phone available to the teachers. > > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 11 19:40:16 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:40:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <20041111193049.47649.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041111193049.47649.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1100202016.32470.222.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:30, Chris Thomas wrote: > that's in the terminal, i mean in x windows. Brute force - from the console in text mode: # su - user $ startx There are probably more elegant ways. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From haysja at sages.us Thu Nov 11 20:21:50 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:21:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20041111122436.71609d0d@heaven> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> <20041111122436.71609d0d@heaven> Message-ID: <1100204510.4193c9de3724e@sages.us> I just gave a presentation on K12LTSP at a statewide tech conference on Tuesday. I ran the slide show from a terminal - on purpose. Don't make the same mistake that I did. I had the slide show on a CD. I put the CD in the server's CD drive, opend the CD drive from the terminal, and away I went. The slide show was SLOW - not because I ran it from a terminal but because I ran is from the CD. Be sure to copy the presentation to the server's HD before you run it......... (Fortunately we demonstrated applications after the slide show was over and showed how fast it really is.......) Quoting Bill Bardon : > Wow, thanks to everyone for the great ideas! This is very helpful. > > Unfortunately, I won't be able to get into the lab ahead of time to > configure a few workstations. I'm hoping I don't run into major > configuration problems, but have to leave it to chance somewhat. The > clients are clone machines with SiS chipsets from the 2000 era - how > likely is it to get a good auto config with these? > > The idea of running a slide show on the client during the demo is a good > one. I'll also create sample OOo writer and calc documents, and maybe > have some MS Word and Excel docs handy to demo importing compatibility. > > Since they have a keyboarding class I'll show Ktouch, and since they are > a Christian school I'll have GnomeSword loaded and ready. StarLogo will > be good for beginning programming. Lots to do! I need to get acquainted > with the redhat user manager and get all this stuff set up. > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From haysja at sages.us Thu Nov 11 20:27:49 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:27:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1100200963.32470.218.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> <20041111122436.71609d0d@heaven> <1100200963.32470.218.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1100204869.4193cb4549da4@sages.us> Les makes a good point here. I was at a conference yesterday and one of the sessions was an hour long session showing people how to use the new MS program to run automatic updates. The session was long and the process was fairly tedious - running a separate server to store the updates and then "touching" all of the clients to tell them to get their updates from the new server and then making sure that the updates get run. In K12LTSP, ----> yum update (Doesn't take an hour to teach someone that.......) One of the HUGE advantages of K12LTSP. Quoting Les Mikesell : > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:24, Bill Bardon wrote: > > Wow, thanks to everyone for the great ideas! This is very helpful. > > One thing that *should* matter to decision-makers is the difficulty > of maintaining and updating the system. I'm not quite sure how > to get across the value of 'yum update' or expain what it does > to someone who doesn't already know, but you should take a stab > at it somehow. Some of the objections to Linux would be justified > if you used distributions that did not have a method built in to > automatically pick up bug fixes and security updates and take care > of the dependencies while installing them. The k12ltsp system > beats anything else you could use in terms of one-stop-shopping > to update the OS and applications. One command to do all the > updates and you only have to do it on the server(s). Compare that > to the paperwork to maintain licenses and service contracts with > every vendor of OS and apps on every box, and different methods > needed to track bugs and update each of them. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From jim at rossberry.com Thu Nov 11 20:38:29 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:38:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <20041111142659.VER14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20041111142659.VER14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: As numerous others have pointed out, you already have complete access. The only question is how pointed do you need to make the reminders. On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Will Hatch wrote: > this is a sex offender program. We reserve the right to have access to all student passwords, folders, history. I didn't mention this earlier. Sorry about that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 11 20:45:11 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:45:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1100204869.4193cb4549da4@sages.us> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> <20041111122436.71609d0d@heaven> <1100200963.32470.218.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1100204869.4193cb4549da4@sages.us> Message-ID: <1100205911.32470.227.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:27, Jim Hays wrote: > Les makes a good point here. I was at a conference yesterday and one of the > sessions was an hour long session showing people how to use the new MS program > to run automatic updates. The session was long and the process was fairly > tedious - running a separate server to store the updates and then "touching" all > of the clients to tell them to get their updates from the new server and then > making sure that the updates get run. And that's just the base Windows system. If you have Office or other MS apps installed you have to do something else to update them. If you have apps from other vendors, virus scanners, etc., each has its own setup procedure as well as licensing terms and lengths of time that updates will be allowed. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Thu Nov 11 20:53:33 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:53:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS - what does it give me Message-ID: <4193D14D.20709@jsoft.com> Howdy, I am thinking of turning off nfs. We use Samba and WebDAV (and a usb drive as of a few weeks ago :-) ) on our small linux and XP network. What am I missing by not using nfs? Gary From jam at mcquil.com Thu Nov 11 20:55:35 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:55:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS - what does it give me In-Reply-To: <4193D14D.20709@jsoft.com> References: <4193D14D.20709@jsoft.com> Message-ID: Gary, Well, if you don't use NFS, then you won't be able to boot LTSP thin clients from that server. LTSP clients require NFS, so they can mount a root filesystem across the network. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Gary Frederick wrote: > Howdy, > > I am thinking of turning off nfs. We use Samba and WebDAV (and a usb drive as > of a few weeks ago :-) ) on our small linux and XP network. > > What am I missing by not using nfs? > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Thu Nov 11 21:03:55 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:03:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS - what does it give me In-Reply-To: References: <4193D14D.20709@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <4193D3BB.506@jsoft.com> Sounds like I should not turn it off (-: Thanks, Gary Jim McQuillan wrote: > Gary, > > Well, if you don't use NFS, then you won't be able to boot LTSP thin > clients from that server. > > LTSP clients require NFS, so they can mount a root filesystem across the > network. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Gary Frederick wrote: > > >>Howdy, >> >>I am thinking of turning off nfs. We use Samba and WebDAV (and a usb drive as >>of a few weeks ago :-) ) on our small linux and XP network. >> >>What am I missing by not using nfs? >> >>Gary >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at rossberry.com Thu Nov 11 21:06:16 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:06:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS - what does it give me In-Reply-To: <4193D14D.20709@jsoft.com> References: <4193D14D.20709@jsoft.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Gary Frederick wrote: > Howdy, > > I am thinking of turning off nfs. We use Samba and WebDAV (and a usb > drive as of a few weeks ago :-) ) on our small linux and XP network. > > What am I missing by not using nfs? > The headaches of managing another file sharing/serving solution :-). Seriously, NFS is most useful in a pure Unix world. I think it predates SMB File Sharing (Samba) by a number of years. If you are serving Windows clients, then Samba should be used. If it was pure Unix clients, then NFS may be easier since it will use the native Unix authentication/user id's, etc instead of maintaining the separate password file that Samba uses. I don't think that even XP includes an NFS client by default. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 11 21:21:48 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:21:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] export with nfs from samba/ldap on skolelinux to k12ltsp Message-ID: <4193D7EC.6090402@paasda.org> is there some howto/writeup on this? =) I'm curious how the nfs exporting works altogether...seems like a 'buzz phrase' and I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't know what it means. It would be nifty to have an application server for OO/Firefox/(maybe a few others) and let another box do the authentication and print serving or something... might get a lot more clients connected to the network that way... The ever inquisitive, --Huck From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Thu Nov 11 21:26:29 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (Joseph Bishay) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:26:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20041111202757.5CEFF744E2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <419392B5.11863.10EE6C0@localhost> Hello, > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:27:49 -0600 > From: Jim Hays > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? > > Les makes a good point here. I was at a conference yesterday and one > of the sessions was an hour long session showing people how to use the > new MS program to run automatic updates. The session was long and the > process was fairly tedious - running a separate server to store the > updates and then "touching" all of the clients to tell them to get > their updates from the new server and then making sure that the > updates get run. > > In K12LTSP, ----> yum update (Doesn't take an hour to teach someone > that.......) > > One of the HUGE advantages of K12LTSP. This may be a silly question, but I've never used the update feature in K12LTSP. I see I could use synaptic or yum update, but my question is: When would I do so? Is there a need to run yum update/synaptic? If everything is running smoothly, what am I going to be upgrading? I realize that in MS updates are often to correct security issues, but I thought Linux was more immune to those sort of lapses. Why else would I want to run it? Thanks, Joseph From haysja at sages.us Thu Nov 11 21:37:18 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:37:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <419392B5.11863.10EE6C0@localhost> References: <419392B5.11863.10EE6C0@localhost> Message-ID: <1100209037.4193db8e02ebe@sages.us> Linux may be "more imune" but nothing is "totally imune". There are security wholes in Linux also. (We won't get into the "big target" argument here.) Updating gives you added features to programs like Open Office and not just updates to the OS. I don't run "yum update" as often as I update my Windows servers, but you should update from time to time. Quoting Joseph Bishay : > Hello, > > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:27:49 -0600 > > From: Jim Hays > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? > > > > Les makes a good point here. I was at a conference yesterday and one > > of the sessions was an hour long session showing people how to use the > > new MS program to run automatic updates. The session was long and the > > process was fairly tedious - running a separate server to store the > > updates and then "touching" all of the clients to tell them to get > > their updates from the new server and then making sure that the > > updates get run. > > > > In K12LTSP, ----> yum update (Doesn't take an hour to teach someone > > that.......) > > > > One of the HUGE advantages of K12LTSP. > > This may be a silly question, but I've never used the update feature > in K12LTSP. I see I could use synaptic or yum update, but my > question is: When would I do so? Is there a need to run yum > update/synaptic? If everything is running smoothly, what am I going > to be upgrading? I realize that in MS updates are often to correct > security issues, but I thought Linux was more immune to those sort of > lapses. Why else would I want to run it? > > Thanks, > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 11 21:51:12 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:51:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <1100195402.3988.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1100195402.3988.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 11, 2004 at 12:50 PM +0000 wrote: >I tried K12LTSP 4.1, but could not make the ldap >authentication work. Has FC2 introduced something new there? Not sure....did the Samba version change in here somewhere? There are HUGE differences between 2.x and 3.x in Samba David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dalen at czexan.net Thu Nov 11 21:46:26 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:46:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1100209037.4193db8e02ebe@sages.us> References: <419392B5.11863.10EE6C0@localhost> <1100209037.4193db8e02ebe@sages.us> Message-ID: <4193DDB2.70102@czexan.net> Jim Hays wrote: >Linux may be "more imune" but nothing is "totally imune". There are security >wholes in Linux also. (We won't get into the "big target" argument here.) > >Updating gives you added features to programs like Open Office and not just >updates to the OS. > >I don't run "yum update" as often as I update my Windows servers, but you should >update from time to time. > > > In addition to what Jim mentioned, you may want to subscribe to fedora-annaounce-list as updates are announced there. They also have an online archive. See url for details. http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Thu Nov 11 22:10:02 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:10:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Home System In-Reply-To: <1100130323.2809.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100130323.2809.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100211002.10374.2.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Actually I'd really like to use RythmBox but its always complains about the ALSA device when I run it from a terminal. XMMS just works so I use it. The volume control functions for me *most* of the time. Not sure why it doesn't always work. On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 18:45 -0500, John Baillie wrote: > Jack, > > You're a step ahead of me. I've been thinking about this same scenario > for a while now. The chair of our lug implemented a web based solution > for a gaming host that pretty much does what you are looking to do. > Don't know how you'd work in volume control though. > > You might find this interesting. > > http://www.anders.com/words/route66.html > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Jack From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Thu Nov 11 22:14:38 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:14:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Home System In-Reply-To: <1100130167.18767.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1100126987.2809.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100128187.7484.11.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <1100130167.18767.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1100211278.10374.5.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> thanks Les. working with that now. vncviewer server:0 Not ideal but it works ok. Jack On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 17:42 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 17:09, Jack wrote: > > I'd like to > > have an icon that launches xmms on the server console via. > > > > ssh server xmms > > You'd probably want something more like: > x11vnc -display :0 > vncviewer server:0 > > so you see the console screen and running app from any > location instead of starting a new one. If you never actually > use the real console you can start a long-running session > with vncserver that isn't associated with any real terminal so > you can connect and disconnect letting the programs continue > to run. This is different than the stock k12ltsp setup where > xinetd starts sessions on demand. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Jack From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Thu Nov 11 22:29:25 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:29:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] untarring over NFS Message-ID: <1100212165.10374.8.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> I'm using an NFS server for all the home directories. I've noticied that if I have say a 20 meg tar file and I try to untar it, it takes about a minute. However when ssh directly into the NFS server and perform the same function it works almost instantly. I thought NFS was chatty but geez! -- Jack From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 11 23:10:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:10:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] untarring over NFS In-Reply-To: <1100212165.10374.8.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <1100212165.10374.8.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <1100214594.10522.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 16:29, Jack wrote: > I'm using an NFS server for all the home directories. I've noticied > that if I have say a 20 meg tar file and I try to untar it, it takes > about a minute. However when ssh directly into the NFS server and > perform the same function it works almost instantly. I thought NFS was > chatty but geez! You probably have NFS working in synchronous mode. That means that every update when you create and write to files will wait for the physical write to disk to complete. The theory is that you could reboot the server in the middle of that tar operation and the client would just wait and pick up where it left off without losing anything. When you do it directly on the server, disk writes are buffered and the program doesn't wait unless the buffer is full. You shouldn't see anywhere near the same delay when you are only reading files. If write speed is more important than safety (how often does your server reboot anyway?) you can use the async mount option. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 11 23:10:44 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:10:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <419392B5.11863.10EE6C0@localhost> References: <419392B5.11863.10EE6C0@localhost> Message-ID: <1100214644.10522.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 15:26, Joseph Bishay wrote: > This may be a silly question, but I've never used the update feature > in K12LTSP. I see I could use synaptic or yum update, but my > question is: When would I do so? Is there a need to run yum > update/synaptic? If everything is running smoothly, what am I going > to be upgrading? I realize that in MS updates are often to correct > security issues, but I thought Linux was more immune to those sort of > lapses. Why else would I want to run it? There are a lot of people finding bugs and making improvements in open source programs all the time and if you want to take advantage of their work you should to the updates... There are two sets of things happening: the base fedora release gets security and bug fixes backported to the program versions that came with the release, generally without adding new features to minimize the risk of changes. (Hence the rapid turnover in base fedora releases to get out new features and reduce the work to maintain the backports). The other part is for the k12ltsp addons which tend to be version updates to the various programs that happen on Eric's schedule. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Nov 11 23:28:20 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:28:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4193F594.7060601@snet.net> Will Hatch wrote: > I have a disgruntled student who changed his user password and will not tell faculty what it is. I can access his home directory from root I know, but would still like to find out this password. How do I do this? I have locked his account out. Also, is there a way to make it so they cannot change their password? thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Using Redhat-config-users you can change his password. You won't learn what it is now, though. Or go to "system settings > users and groups". tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Nov 12 00:16:50 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:16:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Selective floppy access ??? Message-ID: <419400F2.4070808@netscape.net> Hi, We're starting to encounter a problem with the floppyd function. Recently, without there being any changes to the system cedrtain thin-client cannot access the local floppy drive. Message is permission denied, but when I check both the lts.conf and the workstation permissions these are no different from the other workstation that can access the local floppy....... any suggestions K12LTSP V4.0.1 Server P-IV 2.8GHz, 2GB, 2x 80GB SATA HD Workstations - Compaq P-I mix of 5175 to 5166 NIC 3-Com 905 and no its not a certain box but a mix of ws's..... ? thks norbert From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Fri Nov 12 00:51:47 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:51:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] untarring over NFS In-Reply-To: <1100214594.10522.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1100212165.10374.8.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <1100214594.10522.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1100220707.5080.2.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 17:10 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 16:29, Jack wrote: > > I'm using an NFS server for all the home directories. I've noticied > > that if I have say a 20 meg tar file and I try to untar it, it takes > > about a minute. However when ssh directly into the NFS server and > > perform the same function it works almost instantly. I thought NFS was > > chatty but geez! > > You probably have NFS working in synchronous mode. That means that > every update when you create and write to files will wait for > the physical write to disk to complete. The theory is that you > could reboot the server in the middle of that tar operation and > the client would just wait and pick up where it left off without > losing anything. When you do it directly on the server, disk > writes are buffered and the program doesn't wait unless the buffer > is full. You shouldn't see anywhere near the same delay when > you are only reading files. If write speed is more important than > safety (how often does your server reboot anyway?) you can use > the async mount option. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com Thanks that seemed to cut the time in half at least but I'd like it to be faster. How about using nfs v4 . Seems fc1 does not support v4 so I'll have to upgrade. Is it worth it? Jack From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 02:27:37 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:27:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] untarring over NFS In-Reply-To: <1100220707.5080.2.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <1100212165.10374.8.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <1100214594.10522.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1100220707.5080.2.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <1100226456.13416.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:51, Jack wrote: > Thanks that seemed to cut the time in half at least but I'd like it to > be faster. How about using nfs v4 . Seems fc1 does not support v4 so > I'll have to upgrade. Is it worth it? The next easy thing to try is bumping up the rsize and wsize options to at least 8192 and maybe 32k. Nfsv4 is supposed to be faster but I haven't tried it yet myself. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Fri Nov 12 02:50:11 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:50:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] untarring over NFS In-Reply-To: <1100226456.13416.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1100212165.10374.8.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <1100214594.10522.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1100220707.5080.2.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <1100226456.13416.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1100227811.5080.7.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 20:27 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:51, Jack wrote: > > > Thanks that seemed to cut the time in half at least but I'd like it to > > be faster. How about using nfs v4 . Seems fc1 does not support v4 so > > I'll have to upgrade. Is it worth it? > > The next easy thing to try is bumping up the rsize and wsize options to > at least 8192 and maybe 32k. Nfsv4 is supposed to be faster but I > haven't tried it yet myself. > > --- Yep already moved up to 8192. It seemed to help more. I'll try 32k. But I'll probably be moving up to FC3 on my NFS server because its about time anyway. From ddaniels at magic.fr Fri Nov 12 03:08:07 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:08:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <1100195402.3988.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100195402.3988.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41942917.5000602@magic.fr> With K12ltsp 4.1 you've not been able to get NFS to authenticate home directories? It also NFS mounts the users homedirs. I tried K12LTSP 4.1, but could not make the ldap authentication work. Has FC2 introduced something new there? We've been trying to get NFS to play nice with xdmcp... and mounted home dirs. via NFS but only marginal success with kdm and absolute failure with gdm and xdm... Can someone else confirm that fc2 is working well with nfs/xdmcp? thanks! Dennis Trond M?hlum wrote: > tor, 11.11.2004 kl. 04.15 skrev David Trask: > >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >>Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 6:56 PM +0000 wrote: >> >>>Someone mentioned it had ldap/samba and a user management GUI tool >>>that worked out of the box. Is that correct, and can you tell if >>>it would likely work to run one of these to create the accounts >>>and home directories which you would NFS mount from k12ltsp servers >>>configured to authenticate against ldap? Or - would the ldap server >>>configuration be easy to port? >> >>According to Ragnar Wisloff of Norway and SkoleLinux.....that's what many >>schools in his area do....they use a SkoleLinux server running Samba/LDAP >>and then set up the K12LTSP servers behind it and auth to it. Works great >>according to him. SkoleLinux also uses LTSP. > > > I suspect that Ragnar is talking about my setup. I like using Skolelinux > as a fileserver for the ldap/samba thing. It also has some other nice > services which "work out of the box", like dns, backup, proxy with > squidguard and other things. > > The thing I dislike about Skolelinux is that it's based on Debian Woody > = old software like KDE 2.2.2... It's also a timeconsuming job to > integrate it into a network which isn't the default 192.168.0. net. It > also comes without Xvnc configured as opposed to K12LTSP. > > Enter K12LTSP. I use K12LTSP 4.0.1 for all my LTSP servers, The all use > LDAP authentication against the Skolelinux server. It also NFS mounts > the users homedirs. I tried K12LTSP 4.1, but could not make the ldap > authentication work. Has FC2 introduced something new there? > > In fact Ragnar Wisloff did most of the job configuring our Skolelinux > servers, so he should know that our setup works well. > > I have a Skolelinux server with all the services and 5 LTSP servers > based on K12LTSP using Skolelinux as ldap/samba/home/dns/proxy/backup... > > Regards > > Trond M?hlum > > > >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>(207)923-3100 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 03:18:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:18:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <41942917.5000602@magic.fr> References: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100195402.3988.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41942917.5000602@magic.fr> Message-ID: <1100229479.13558.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 21:08, Dennis Daniels wrote: > We've been trying to get NFS to play nice with xdmcp... and mounted home > dirs. via NFS but only marginal success with kdm and absolute failure > with gdm and xdm... Can someone else confirm that fc2 is working well > with nfs/xdmcp? I don't see why xdmcp would know or care about nfs mounted homes. Are you mounting /home or automounting individual homes on access? Are you sure the uids on the nfs server match for the users on the mounting/authenticating server? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Fri Nov 12 04:39:14 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (Joseph Bishay) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:39:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20041112025025.89ABC73725@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4193F822.2770.29B26FD@localhost> Hello, > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:10:44 -0600 > From: Les Mikesell > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 15:26, Joseph Bishay wrote: > > This may be a silly question, but I've never used the update feature > > in K12LTSP. I see I could use synaptic or yum update, but my > > question is: When would I do so? Is there a need to run yum > > update/synaptic? If everything is running smoothly, what am I going > > to be upgrading? I realize that in MS updates are often to correct > > security issues, but I thought Linux was more immune to those sort > > of lapses. Why else would I want to run it? > > There are a lot of people finding bugs and making improvements in open > source programs all the time and if you want to take advantage of > their work you should to the updates... > There are two sets of things happening: the base fedora release > gets security and bug fixes backported to the program versions > that came with the release, generally without adding new features to > minimize the risk of changes. (Hence the rapid turnover in base > fedora releases to get out new features and reduce the work to > maintain the backports). The other part is for the k12ltsp addons > which tend to be version updates to the various programs that happen > on Eric's schedule. > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com That does sound like an excellent reason. However, if I am running an older version of K12ltsp (the one based on RH9 from about a year or more ago), will it break anything? Is this the equivalent of upgrading from Windows 98 -> Windows XP? (Sorry if the example offends anyone :) Joseph From ddaniels at magic.fr Fri Nov 12 04:52:20 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:52:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <1100229479.13558.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100195402.3988.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41942917.5000602@magic.fr> <1100229479.13558.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41944184.9000304@magic.fr> Thanks Les for your interest! The directories were mounted via nfs and setup in the exports file. When a user tried to access the home dir. via the xdmcp server1, for example, apps and files were not visible and much bugginess...server0 would crash complaining that X display 0 was already in use. server0 = server 192.168.0.254 with /home (student folders) server1 (192.168.0.253) = second LTSP with NFS set to mount 192.168.0.254 /home I'd appreciate any advice you might have on this problem. Again, we want a central NFS /home for users and then N servers providing applications via ltsp using xdmcp chooser... Ideally, I'll get some cheapo PIIIs with lots of RAM and tell my users when they log in that they should aim their XMDCP chooser at any server with fewer than X users... maximizing cheap hardware via the xdmcp chooser while maintaining centralized user /home directories is the goal. many thanks for any and all help! dennis Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 21:08, Dennis Daniels wrote: > > >>We've been trying to get NFS to play nice with xdmcp... and mounted home >>dirs. via NFS but only marginal success with kdm and absolute failure >>with gdm and xdm... Can someone else confirm that fc2 is working well >>with nfs/xdmcp? > > > I don't see why xdmcp would know or care about nfs mounted homes. > Are you mounting /home or automounting individual homes on access? > Are you sure the uids on the nfs server match for the users on > the mounting/authenticating server? > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 12 04:57:41 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:57:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <41942917.5000602@magic.fr> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Dennis Daniels wrote: >We've been trying to get NFS to play nice with xdmcp... and mounted home >dirs. via NFS but only marginal success with kdm and absolute failure >with gdm and xdm... Can someone else confirm that fc2 is working well >with nfs/xdmcp? Hi Dennis, I can't make sense of what you are trying to do, NFS and XDMCP are independant of each other. Please give us as much detail as posssible about your configuration: how have you deviated from a default install and what was your reasoning behind the deviations? (i.e. if we understand what you are trying to do, we can show you the right way to do it) -Eric From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Nov 12 05:16:33 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:16:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off Message-ID: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> Well I just found out that the board I work at has decided to cut off all Linux initiatives. The one LTSP that is in an elementary school will stay. I wonder what they would say if they found out that the two high schools that have Macs which have OSX which are based on Linux? I'm very disappointed and sad by this decision. I'm not going to give up on Linux or Open Source. I also found out that the trustee in the area has children that go to the same school that the LTSP is in. He is aware of Linux and perhaps it's time that he has a little tour of the mini-lab with LTSP. Show him how well it works, cost effective etc and oh by the way the board has cancelled other Linux mini-labs. I was to setup Linux on the old servers (replaced with new Server 2003 machines) with Squid for proxy services. Looks like that is cancelled already. Jason From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Nov 12 05:17:43 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:17:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <4192FE62.4090703@hosef.org> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> <4192FE62.4090703@hosef.org> Message-ID: <41944777.6010001@execulink.com> Does anyone mind if I use these presentations? R. Scott Belford wrote: > Bill Bardon wrote: > >> I support a small high school with a 30-computer student lab. They ran >> SuSE Linux on the individual machines up until last summer, when the >> powers on high declared it would be switched to Windows. We converted >> all the machines to W2K over the summer (still running Samba on the >> Linux server for personal folders and network shares.) >> >> Today I had a conversation with the teacher responsible for the day-to- >> day lab operation, and she's had enough of Windows. After fighting >> with viruses, spyware, and crashing computers, she wants to go back to >> Linux! >> >> I'll be demoing K12LTSP this Friday, using my LTSP server which I'll >> bring on site, and a few of her lab computers booted from floppies. Do >> any of you have recommendations for how I should approach the demo? Any >> experiences or wisdom to share? Once the comps are booted over the >> network (which still has a small WOW factor for me, and I know how it >> works ;-) what then? >> >> Obviously I'll show her OpenOffice and Mozilla, maybe Scribus and some >> of the Kedu stuff. More than that, I want to emphasize how easy it will >> be to administer and maintain. Since I do most things from a console, >> I'm wondering what GUI program folks use for user maintenance. >> >> Lots of questions, feel free to take a crack at any of 'em. I'd love to >> see Linux back in this lab. >> >> > > We are slowly acquiring a good deal of experience in approaching schools > with the benefits of an Open Source Software lab. In a recent > presentation at an ilearning conference for our Department of Education, > I think I finally found the zone. > > What I like to do first is to demonstrate the software. Using a donated > laptop installed with the K12LTSP, I go through these slides: > > http://www.hosef.org/projects/eschool/ilearning/presentationoo.sxi > > though earlier in the year I used these Webmin heavy slides (Webmin is > featured prominently and appropriately in Skolelinux) at our eSchool > Conference > > http://econference.k12.hi.us/conf2004/ > > http://www.hosef.org/projects/eschool/eschool.rev2.eyecandy.sxi > > > They emphasize that Open Source Software labs provide a vendor neutral, > standards-compliant learning platform that provides free software tools > that can be integrated into existing curricula in order to meet or > exceed NCLB Mandates. I draw attention to the job creating potential, > the economic development opportunities, and the education innovation and > entrepreneurship opportunities (ala Bill Kendrick and his Tux* Suite). > > I think that in the future I will not show screen shots of the programs > but instead actually launch them. At any rate, I stop halfway through > and explain that this is all great. Now all we have to do is to use > this free software and install it on the computers we have at our > schools, or we can just get new ones with the money we can save on > software. Problem is, there aren't any or many computers in place > already, and there is really not money to be saved and then spent for > new ones. > > Here begins the magical pitch. I ask, 'What if I could show you how to > extend the resources of existing computers and turn previously discarded > computers into fully functional workstations?' > > Puzzlement. > > Out of my bag comes the switch. Out of my bag comes two network cables. > I explain that just as your cable box gets its programs through a > high-speed cable, the version of Linux that we promote for schools > enables a central server to power previously discarded computers with > the speed of today's supercomputer. > > Next comes the magical Dell Box. Seen here already naked > > http://www.hosef.org/gallery/exhibitions/dscf0251 > > its case cover is removed by pressing two buttons, its cd and floppy are > quickly released, and I can hold this up and show that, hard drive free, > it looks like and borders on being trash. > > While removing the parts I explain that this method of setting up a > computer lab enables the school to use either computers that it > currently refuses from the community for being too slow or computers > that HOSEF can donate to it to create a complete computer lab. I plug > in the peripherals, I plug it into the switch, I plug the switch into > the server, and I plug the overhead into the client. 30 seconds later I > callously pick up the booted client and say that this junk is now treasure. > > I log in, and I complete the presentation from there. I explain how > using these components from NewEgg > > http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=904498 > > and donated computers from HOSEF we were able to set up a 30-client > computer lab at Enchanted Lake Elementary that cost the school 3344.17 > > http://www.hosef.org/gallery/enchanted-lake > > and that was written about here > > http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Sep/16/ln/ln21a.html > > Incidentally, our new build list is now this one: > > http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1031978 > > > So, I now have the audience enthralled and interested. This is where we > have a lot of strength because we already have a laundry list of DOE > schools running Linux that we can refer them to. One of those is an > Adult School where we have donated a lab and now hold weekly workshops > and classes, for free, as a community service. By partnering with the > Honolulu Community College (heavily Debian based for core network > services) we are able to store hundreds of ready to roll clients. > > This is also where we as a community are most exposed. We still don't > have out of the box documentation and curricula to make this immediately > valuable. The Skolelinux folks have written a bunch of great > documentation and simplified the install as much as possible, just as > the K12LTSP folks have. The fact is, though, without national support, > without a backbone of easily attained documentation, we are vulnerable. > I have to no avail implored IBM, Novell, and HP to get on board with > this tremendous opportunity to sell software, support, and hardware. > > I end the presentation by explaining that we by no means promote the rip > and replace philosophy for diffusing this OSS innovation. If a school > is comfortable with and well-served by a proprietary application, it > should be left alone. We do emphasize, though, that there are OSS > alternatives, as we all know, to many name-brand apps that are worth > considering. We propose that Linux labs be used as the workhorse and if > there is money leftover to spend that it be used for support, training, > and that delicious Apple hardware so good for multimedia education. > > That is how we approach it. I could say so, so much more, but I'll save > it for other threads. If we can serve as a reference, or if our DOE > success is of value to you, please exploit us. Below my signature are > some links to other press. Soon, very soon, two one-hour videos will be > put online from my TV appearances on a DOE program in which I install > and demonstrate the K12LTSP on live TV. Hosted by a seasoned teacher, > he asks all the right questions, and I hope that once online this will > be a valuable resource for all of us. > > with aloha > > --scott > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 12 05:25:11 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:25:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build Message-ID: I still have several major packages to add/update, but I made significant progress in completing K12LTSP 4.2.0 today. It is going to take me at least another two days to have another build ready, so I uploaded today's work for you all to play with. I upgraded gcompris, icewm, tuxtype, gtypist, scribus, blender, meld, ltsp_config, and all of the initial FC3 patches. I *believe* the installer patches are working as I expect, but still have some more testing to do there. This build is based on the official FC3 ISOs. I'm currently rebuilding the LTSP packages, and will see what portions of the LTSP-by-the-Sea devel work I can easily incorporate this weekend. Oh, and up2date & firefox still need to be rebuilt with the K12LTSP defaults. If all continues to go well, I'll have a pre-release build ready by Sunday. Standard disclaimer: this is not a finished product. Do not use in a production environment, yadda, yadda, and so on and so forth. If you have a test environment, I'd love feedback on this build... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.0alpha/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . If you already have the K12LTSP 4.2.0alpha installed, the apt/up2date/yum repositories will have the latest-n-greated packages within the hour. -Eric From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 05:33:03 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:33:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <4193F822.2770.29B26FD@localhost> References: <4193F822.2770.29B26FD@localhost> Message-ID: <1100237582.13945.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 22:39, Joseph Bishay wrote: > That does sound like an excellent reason. However, if I am running an > older version of K12ltsp (the one based on RH9 from about a year or > more ago), will it break anything? Is this the equivalent of > upgrading from Windows 98 -> Windows XP? (Sorry if the example > offends anyone :) As long as you leave the yum configuration pointed to the original repository you will only get updates to the original release. You are pretty safe on the OS portion of this but there have been some more drastic updates to the k12ltsp parts. At least one of the possible updates will replace the lts.conf file so you might have to put back any changes you have made locally. When you do a 'yum update' it will download a bunch of stuff, then tell you what it would like to replace. You get a chance to answer yes or no before it changes anything. Someone here can probably answer if the version of ltsp it would install is likely to break anything. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hosef.org Fri Nov 12 05:44:22 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:44:22 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <41944777.6010001@execulink.com> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> <4192FE62.4090703@hosef.org> <41944777.6010001@execulink.com> Message-ID: <200411111944.23055.scott@hosef.org> On Thursday 11 November 2004 07:17 pm, Jason wrote: > Does anyone mind if I use these presentations? You are welcome to use the HOSEF presentations, and feel free to use us or our schools as a reference. We are definitely moving forward here. Don't be discouraged by your Board's ruling. It is hardest to change policy at that level. Start at the school level where you can create a proof of concept, work with ambitious opinion leaders, and shine the light for those afraid to lead. --scott From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 05:46:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:46:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] skolelinux In-Reply-To: <41944184.9000304@magic.fr> References: <1100130973.2809.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100195402.3988.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41942917.5000602@magic.fr> <1100229479.13558.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <41944184.9000304@magic.fr> Message-ID: <1100238407.13945.26.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 22:52, Dennis Daniels wrote: > The directories were mounted via nfs and setup in the exports file. When > a user tried to access the home dir. via the xdmcp server1, for example, > apps and files were not visible and much bugginess...server0 would crash > complaining that X display 0 was already in use. > > server0 = server 192.168.0.254 with /home (student folders) > server1 (192.168.0.253) = second LTSP with NFS set to mount > 192.168.0.254 /home > > I'd appreciate any advice you might have on this problem. How are you handling authentication? The uid numbers for the same user must match between the server where they log in and NFS server. If you aren't using NIS or LDAP you will have to make sure the user entries are identical in the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files. > Ideally, I'll get some cheapo PIIIs with lots of RAM and tell my users > when they log in that they should aim their XMDCP chooser at any server > with fewer than X users... maximizing cheap hardware via the xdmcp > chooser while maintaining centralized user /home directories is the goal. You'll probably need to get all the servers on a gigabit backbone to make this scale very well. Otherwise it would be better to use a dual-nic configuration with a certain number of clients behind each server to split up the bandwidth. You'd still be able to log in anywhere and find the same home directory. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 12 06:39:55 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:39:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried OpenLab? Message-ID: I just saw an announcement for OpenLab 3.2. http://www.direqlearn.org/olce/ This appears to be a K12LTSP-like distro out of South Africa. Has anyone given this a spin and if so does it having anything special that would be useful in K12LTSP? -Eric From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Fri Nov 12 11:21:18 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:21:18 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP list for the next sub-net Message-ID: <41949CAE.8040401@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hello all, After months of testing, we are setting up our Acer k12ltsp server for real (finally) - hooking it up to the entire school (about 30 PCs). We've got some clients booting up without errors in one block but in another we've got some problems. I have someone here helping me now (visiting from the other side of Australia) who knows way more about Linux & samba than I do... and he has a question: "How is it possible for a k12 client to receive a DHCP list for the next sub-net?" Here's some info: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0F:1F:24:E6:A1 inet addr:10.0.0.7 Bcast:10.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: fe80::20f:1fff:fe24:e6a1/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 10.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.138 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 (I don't understand that question myself at all!) ... any help appreciated. Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From robowens at myway.com Fri Nov 12 11:18:53 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:18:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? Message-ID: <20041112111853.EF34C3A37@mprdmxin.myway.com> I can tell you how it is with Mandrake. There are 3 types of updates: security, bugfix, and general product updates. Security updates aren't necessarily similar to Microsoft's security updates. Most security updates I've seen so far are for a specific application, and not for the operating system itself. Furthermore, the security bug is usually something under certain circumstances could allow someone on the local network to see somebody else's files (if they bothered to try to look at them) or gain some other permissions or abilities that they shouldn't normally have. In the couple of years that I've been running Mandrake Linux, I don't really recall seeing any bugs that would have allowed a remote hacker access to my machine. I set up a cron job to perform updates automatically every night on my machine. It saves a log file to my home directory so that I can check to make sure everything went through ok. I suppose I am running the risk that someday an update will run that will screw up my system (possibly because of a poorly coded package update), but I will have a record of what has been done and I can uninstall the offending package and reinstall the older version if necessary. -Rob --- On Thu 11/11, Joseph Bishay < joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca > wrote: From: Joseph Bishay [mailto: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:26:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? Hello,

> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:27:49 -0600
> From: Jim Hays
> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions?
>
> Les makes a good point here. I was at a conference yesterday and one
> of the sessions was an hour long session showing people how to use the
> new MS program to run automatic updates. The session was long and the
> process was fairly tedious - running a separate server to store the
> updates and then "touching" all of the clients to tell them to get
> their updates from the new server and then making sure that the
> updates get run.
>
> In K12LTSP, ----> yum update (Doesn't take an hour to teach someone
> that.......)
>
> One of the HUGE advantages of K12LTSP.

This may be a silly question, but I've never used the update feature
in K12LTSP. I see I could use synaptic or yum update, but my
question is: When would I do so? Is there a need to run yum
update/syn! aptic? If everything is running smoothly, what am I going
to be upgrading? I realize that in MS updates are often to correct
security issues, but I thought Linux was more immune to those sort of
lapses. Why else would I want to run it?

Thanks,
Joseph

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Fri Nov 12 12:23:17 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:23:17 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP list for the next sub-net In-Reply-To: <41949CAE.8040401@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <41949CAE.8040401@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <4194AB35.5040604@redeemer.qld.edu.au> update - problem solved - "as a partial solution we disabled the DHCP for the next subnet" (I don't know what that means but I know it works!) Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hello all, > > After months of testing, we are setting up our Acer k12ltsp server for > real (finally) - hooking it up to the entire school (about 30 PCs). > We've got some clients booting up without errors in one block but in > another we've got some problems. I have someone here helping me now > (visiting from the other side of Australia) who knows way more about > Linux & samba than I do... and he has a question: > > "How is it possible for a k12 client to receive a DHCP list for the next > sub-net?" > > Here's some info: > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0F:1F:24:E6:A1 > inet addr:10.0.0.7 Bcast:10.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::20f:1fff:fe24:e6a1/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use > Iface > 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 > eth0 > 10.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 > eth0 > 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.138 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 > eth0 > > (I don't understand that question myself at all!) > ... any help appreciated. > > > Debbie > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Nov 12 13:41:29 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:41:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <200411111944.23055.scott@hosef.org> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> <4192FE62.4090703@hosef.org> <41944777.6010001@execulink.com> <200411111944.23055.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <4194BD89.8030307@execulink.com> Thanks Scott. I appreciate the support. It was very disappointing and upsetting that one person would make this uninformed decision. It sounds like someone feels threatened by it. Ironic because this person decides the budget! I have received a lot of information from everyone here already but I will keep asking for more if I need it. I hope to make some sort of white paper in laymen's terms to present to people and I will post it here. Thanks again to everyone. I believe this will be a grassroots approach. Don't most parents want their children to have more access to technology? or get left behind? R. Scott Belford wrote: > On Thursday 11 November 2004 07:17 pm, Jason wrote: > >>Does anyone mind if I use these presentations? > > > You are welcome to use the HOSEF presentations, and feel free to use us or our > schools as a reference. We are definitely moving forward here. Don't be > discouraged by your Board's ruling. It is hardest to change policy at that > level. Start at the school level where you can create a proof of concept, > work with ambitious opinion leaders, and shine the light for those afraid to > lead. > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Thu Nov 11 14:54:53 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:54:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <41936959.6000006@jsoft.com> References: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <200411111209.49876.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41936959.6000006@jsoft.com> Message-ID: Gary is correct. Knowing a user's password is extraneous information. If you have root you can access all his information and set the password to whatever you want. Who cares what the password is? That's useless knowledge. If he's using a password to encrypt certain files, then you're just out of luck. Gary Frederick wrote: > Howdy, > > Would it be better to just change the password as root? > > I would not be comfortable with cracking someone's password. > > Gary > > Martin Woolley wrote: > >> On Thursday 11 Nov 2004 10:24 am, Will Hatch wrote: >> >>> I have a disgruntled student who changed his user password and will not >>> tell faculty what it is. I can access his home directory from root I >>> know, >>> but would still like to find out this password. How do I do this? I >>> have >>> locked his account out. Also, is there a way to make it so they cannot >>> change their password? thanks! >> >> >> >> John the Ripper will crack a password, provided the cunning user >> hasn't made it too complex. For instance, I think John will find >> lem0n but it won't find h2so4. www.openwall.com/john Why bother to >> crack it? Just change it to something that you know. >> >> I don't know how you can prevent the user from changing their >> password, but that doesn't mean that there isn't one. One solution is >> to write a script that calls /usr/sbin/chpasswd ; this needs an input >> file of : >> username:password >> You can call this from cron so that it will constantly change the >> users password back, or you could write a C wrapper to call it from >> .bash_logout for the user, or you could use sudo to achieve the same >> thing, making the permissions script that you call from .bash_logout >> 711 . > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 12 14:14:07 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:14:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c4c8c1$df95b430$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > It is going to take me at least another two days to have > another build ready, > I'm currently rebuilding the LTSP packages, and will see what > portions of the LTSP-by-the-Sea devel work I can easily > incorporate this weekend. I'll gladly wait a few more days until you get things complete. Seeing some of the work from the LTSP-by-the-Sea incorporated already would be awesome (I really want the USB drive support). Thanks for your work. I think this type of interaction is and excellent part of what makes Linux awesome. I have never been able to email back and forth with a developer from Microsoft about adding new features, and I don't even have to guy Gold support to get it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.794 / Virus Database: 538 - Release Date: 11/10/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From accessys at smart.net Fri Nov 12 14:20:00 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:20:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: <000001c4c8c1$df95b430$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c4c8c1$df95b430$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > It is going to take me at least another two days to have > > another build ready, just out of curiosity (and desire) will there be a PINE package included? that and minicom of course. good for terminal access to the internet Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 12 14:32:50 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:32:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Selective floppy access ??? In-Reply-To: <419400F2.4070808@netscape.net> References: <419400F2.4070808@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4194C992.5030806@earthlink.net> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > We're starting to encounter a problem with the floppyd function. > Recently, without there being any changes to the system cedrtain > thin-client cannot access the local floppy drive. Message is permission > denied, but when I check both the lts.conf and the workstation > permissions these are no different from the other workstation that can > access the local floppy....... any suggestions > K12LTSP V4.0.1 > Server P-IV 2.8GHz, 2GB, 2x 80GB SATA HD > Workstations - Compaq P-I mix of 5175 to 5166 > NIC 3-Com 905 > > and no its not a certain box but a mix of ws's..... ? > > thks > norbert > I had what sounds like a similar problem last week. I spent a couple of hours trying to track down the problem. Freaking out thinking something was wrong building-wide. I finally decided it was bad floppies. The floppies in question wouldn't work in the server, or any Windows machines either. I formatted on the teachers windows machine a blank floppy and went to the thin clients that seemed to be having problems (with the two previous floppies). The new formatted floppy worked fine, copied back and forth, logged into the next machine, copied back and forth. Then, later the lab teacher told me that when a student brings in a bad floppy and has access problems, and she gets the permission denied message, she finds she must reboot the thin client for any floppy to work. (?) I chalked it off to the fact that in my experience about a third of any given box of floppies is bad right off the shelf. I always format a floppy before I use it, but most people may not do that.We have one linux workstation in the lab with USB ports in the front panel and the kids can log into that machine with a USB key and copy their stuff to their homes. We purchased some USB keys (watch for sales and rebates) and check them out like library books for kids who can't email their work to themselves because they don't have internet access, or if they are working on something big. The USB keys seem to be much more reliable than floppies. (We don't have any clients with USB ports, so I went and bought a newer case so the ports would be on the front with easy access just for the kids.) Rita Gibson RMSEL Tech From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 12 14:35:13 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:35:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Access Systems wrote: >just out of curiosity (and desire) will there be a PINE package included? >that and minicom of course. good for terminal access to the internet I will be adding PINE as an extra. I use it on my home box, at least I *used* it before I upgraded. Right now I'm using mutt and it is driving me crazy ;-) -Eric From jh at clongowes.net Fri Nov 12 14:35:40 2004 From: jh at clongowes.net (John Hegarty) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:35:40 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC & Message-ID: <1100270140.4001.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> I think the rate of development of Linux, LTSP and K12LTSP is simply astounding. I started using it here on a trial basis 6 months ago and liked what I saw so much that I persuaded the school to invest in a server and some thin clients from diskless workstations as well as using some of our old pcs as clients. I have long term plans to have about 70 thin clients over the next 2-3 years. Working with Linux has made computers fun again for me (recovering windows administrator) - and the students are getting into it too. VNC Query I have VNC installed on our windows pcs and they can access the server easily that way. However it only seems to allow 3 or 4 connections at any one time. It would be handy for me to be able to get 20-25 connections at the same time for use with a class which has winxp computers only. I want to avoid dual boot and see vnc as a quick solution to access from this room without any need to reconfigure the clients. The server is a dual Xeon 2.8 with 2GB RAM and scsi hard disks so I reckon it should be able for the load as the thin clients outside of this room wouldn't be used at the same time. jh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Nov 12 14:37:34 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:37:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4194CAAE.20506@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > I will be adding PINE as an extra. I use it on my home box, at least > I *used* it before I upgraded. Right now I'm using mutt and it is > driving me crazy ;-) Sadly, I have to agree. I have tried to love mutt. I WANT to love mutt... But pine is just so blasted nice. :) (And here I sit using thunderbird...) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Nov 12 14:42:26 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:42:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A0C@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric Harrison >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:35 AM >> >> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Access Systems wrote: >> >> > just out of curiosity (and desire) will there be a PINE >> > package included? that and minicom of course. good for >> > terminal access to the internet >> >> I will be adding PINE as an extra. I use it on my home box, >> at least I *used* it before I upgraded. Right now I'm using >> mutt and it is driving me crazy ;-) I'm glad to hear it. I've used pine long enough that I have a hard time with anything else. I was disapointed when the Fedora folks decided to drop it because of "Non-Open Source license and long-term maintenance concerns" (although I suppose I understand their reasoning). It's not that hard to get but having it back in the ISOs is nice. Thanks. To "Access Systems", minicom is still there: minicom-2.00.0-19 -- Henry From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Fri Nov 12 14:46:59 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:46:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] screen resolution on terminal clients Message-ID: Some of my terminals have lcd screens that look much better if run at the intended resolution (1280x1024). However, I can't get my clients to run there. They run at 1280x960 I have added X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 -hsync -vsync and [00:11:25:0F:22:7F] XSERVER = radeon X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 to my lts.conf file, and I get 1280x960 resolution, not 1280x1024. I looked through the etc/build_x4_cfg file and saw nothing that would tip me off. Is there anything in the K12LTSP release 4.0.1-1 that would limit the resolution? It could be a problem w/ the XFree86 drivers I suppose. Thanks for any help. -Frank From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Nov 12 15:02:26 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:02:26 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP/Samba roaming profiles broke! Help? Message-ID: <111220041502.15609.4194D0820005688F00003CF922058863609C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> All, I do not like bothering the list but I am at a loss on how to fix this problem. A couple of weeks back, I patched my Win2K Terminal Server, and ... roaming profiles have now stopped working, for some users, sporadically. I located information that indicated some new policies were added to the group policies, one of which was to check for ownership of files covered briefely at: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/45 Implementing this fixed the problem for a few days, but now some accounts are again not allowed to login, although roaming profiles did not roam, the user could log in. I am using the Samba defaults for the roaming profile setup (there is not an explicit setting in smb.conf for [Profiles] When logging in a user, I get Access is denied. This can be caused variously due to inability to copy a file from the user's profile on the Samba server, or "Windows cannot load your profile', or just a generic 'Access is denied' when connecting. I sometimes get a username.bak local profile cache created for the user. I am leery of pulling the system out of the Domain and reconnecting since I am not sure that the system would be allowed to reconnect. I am running Samba 2.2, which I need to upgrade to 3.0, but since I also have LDAP, the possibility of problems on the upgrade also bother me. Any suggestions are welcome (including finding another job ;) ). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Parent Volunteer Newark Charter School Newark Delaware 19713 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Nov 12 15:18:26 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:18:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] asterisk PBX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4194D442.6080207@criticalcontrol.com> Mark Orenstein wrote: >Does anyone have experience using asterisk within a K12 school. I'm >investigating using it as a voice mail system for a small elementary school >having 12 teachers. The teachers would listen to their voice mail using >their classroom PC; there are no phones within the classrooms. It would >supplement the existing 1989 vintage Merlin Plus system in the school which >has only one phone available to the teachers. > >Mark Orenstein >East Granby, CT School System > > See http://www.vocpsystem.com/ as well Pete From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 15:53:38 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:53:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: <4194CAAE.20506@inlandlakes.org> References: <4194CAAE.20506@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1100274817.24551.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 08:37, Shawn Powers wrote: > Sadly, I have to agree. I have tried to love mutt. I WANT to love > mutt... But pine is just so blasted nice. :) > > (And here I sit using thunderbird...) I've always thought that pine had the worst user interface that it would be possible to design so I'm curious about why anyone would like it - or even use it if given a choice. But these days the way to handle mail is on an imap server with a GUI client program (thunderbird, evolution, kmail, balsa, etc.) running locally from one or more locations. You don't have to telnet to the server even if you like to move things around in different server-side folders. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 12 16:07:00 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:07:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] screen resolution on terminal clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100275620.6056.105.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:46 -0500, Frank Samuelson wrote: > I have added > > X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 -hsync > -vsync > > and > > [00:11:25:0F:22:7F] > XSERVER = radeon > X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 > > to my lts.conf file, and I get 1280x960 resolution, not 1280x1024. Have you tried it without the X_MODE_0 line? -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From julius at turtle.com Fri Nov 12 16:12:43 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:12:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: <1100274817.24551.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 08:37, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Sadly, I have to agree. I have tried to love mutt. I WANT to love > > mutt... But pine is just so blasted nice. :) > > > > (And here I sit using thunderbird...) > > I've always thought that pine had the worst user interface that it > would be possible to design so I'm curious about why anyone would > like it - or even use it if given a choice. But these days the way > to handle mail is on an imap server with a GUI client program > (thunderbird, evolution, kmail, balsa, etc.) running locally from one > or more locations. You don't have to telnet to the server even if > you like to move things around in different server-side folders. > Les, you are missing one point - some of us actually enjoy super-fast text interface that works really, really well. Pine is very reliable, a total no-brainer to set up and the user interface doesn't change from release to release. I happen to like the interface for its simplicity and I just don't want to waste time for moving graphics. What's more, it works just fine as an IMAP client, like the other stuff you mention. julius From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 17:38:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:38:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC & In-Reply-To: <1100270140.4001.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100270140.4001.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100281100.24551.117.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 08:35, John Hegarty wrote: > VNC Query > I have VNC installed on our windows pcs and they can access the server > easily that way. However it only seems to allow 3 or 4 connections at > any one time. I don't see why that would be the case. What kind of error are you getting? However, if you want to run windows clients there are a couple of alternatives. One is the free Cygwin X version from http://www.cygwin.com. If you start it with 'Xwin -query server' you will have exactly the same thing as a thin client. Another is NX, a low-bandwidth approach to X clients. Someone posted links to an RPM-packaged server and both windows and Linux clients to the list recently. This might be the best approach to large numbers of windows clients and the client is easy to install. If you can't find that posting, I can dig it up for you. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 17:52:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:52:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100281968.27413.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 10:12, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Les, > you are missing one point - some of us actually enjoy super-fast > text interface that works really, really well. I did too until I got a GUI to work just as fast (but I used ELM, then mutt). Now it takes about 4 seconds from icon-click to evolution having my inbox displayed and moving through messages is as fast as anything else I've used (delete automatically moving to the next message is the key here). Evolution defaults to not displaying graphics but if you want them they are just a click away. Outlook is slower, of course, but thunderbird is not bad either. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 12 17:53:30 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:53:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] pine for FC2 & FC3 Message-ID: <1100282010.6056.123.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> I just built pine packages for FC2 & FC3 and added them to the repositories. If you are a pine junky, you can run up2date -i pine, apt-get -i pine, or yum install pine to get your fix ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 12 18:01:09 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:01:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] pine for FC2 & FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100282010.6056.123.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1100282010.6056.123.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4194FA65.2080903@paasda.org> I love you man! (and you can even have my Bud Light) --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: >I just built pine packages for FC2 & FC3 and added them >to the repositories. > >If you are a pine junky, you can run up2date -i pine, >apt-get -i pine, or yum install pine to get your fix ;-) > >-Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Fri Nov 12 18:02:10 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:02:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] screen resolution on terminal clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frank, Try adding the following to your lts.conf file: X_HORZSYNC = "60-70" That worked for me, to get a 17" flat panel to do 1280x1024 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Frank Samuelson wrote: > Some of my terminals have lcd screens that look much better if run > at the intended resolution (1280x1024). However, I can't get > my clients to run there. They run at 1280x960 > > I have added > > X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 -hsync > -vsync > > and > > [00:11:25:0F:22:7F] > XSERVER = radeon > X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 > > to my lts.conf file, and I get 1280x960 resolution, not 1280x1024. > > I looked through the etc/build_x4_cfg file and saw nothing that > would tip me off. Is there anything in the > K12LTSP release 4.0.1-1 that would limit the resolution? > > It could be a problem w/ the XFree86 drivers I suppose. > > > Thanks for any help. > > -Frank > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 18:25:20 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:25:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] File Server problem Message-ID: <20041112182520.63471.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> I have a file server that the application servers cannot too. Here is what I have. [root at ss03 root]# exportfs -a exportfs: /etc/exports [9]: No 'sync' or 'async' option specified for export "10 .188.4.0/255.255.252.0:/opt/ltsp/i386". Assuming default behaviour ('sync'). NOTE: this default has changed from previous versions exportfs: /etc/exports [10]: No 'sync' or 'async' option specified for export "1 0.188.4.0/255.255.252.0:/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles". Assuming default behaviour ('sync'). NOTE: this default has changed from previous versions exportfs: /etc/exports [17]: No 'sync' or 'async' option specified for export "1 0.188.4.0/255.255.252.0:/home". Assuming default behaviour ('sync'). NOTE: this default has changed from previous versions [root at ss03 root]# exportfs /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 /usr/share/fonts 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 /opt/ltsp/i386 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 /home 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 Application server mount /home mount to NFS server 'ss03.madison.ppsnet' failed: server is down. On another server I got this, mount: RPC: Remote system error - no route to host. This is the line that I had in fstab: ss03.madison.ppsnet:/home /home nfs defaults, rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 Any suggestions? Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Fri Nov 12 18:50:06 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:50:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: screen resolution on terminal clients In-Reply-To: <1100275620.6056.105.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1100275620.6056.105.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Yes. Same problem Now I've tested it on other hardware and I got the same problem. Do the clients dump their /var/log/XFree86.0.log somewhere that I can see it, or can I see the XF86Config file somewhere? Thanks. -Frank Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:46 -0500, Frank Samuelson wrote: > > >>I have added >> >>X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 -hsync >>-vsync >> >>and >> >>[00:11:25:0F:22:7F] >> XSERVER = radeon >> X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 >> >>to my lts.conf file, and I get 1280x960 resolution, not 1280x1024. > > > > Have you tried it without the X_MODE_0 line? > > -Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Fri Nov 12 18:52:19 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:52:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: screen resolution on terminal clients In-Reply-To: References: <1100275620.6056.105.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Frank, Try this: XSERVER = radeon X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 X_HORZSYNC = "60-70" Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Frank Samuelson wrote: > Yes. Same problem > > Now I've tested it on other > hardware and I got the same problem. > Do the clients dump their /var/log/XFree86.0.log > somewhere that I can see it, or can I see > the XF86Config file somewhere? > Thanks. > > -Frank > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:46 -0500, Frank Samuelson wrote: > > > > > > > I have added > > > > > > X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 -hsync > > > -vsync > > > > > > and > > > > > > [00:11:25:0F:22:7F] > > > XSERVER = radeon > > > X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 > > > > > > to my lts.conf file, and I get 1280x960 resolution, not 1280x1024. > > > > > > > > Have you tried it without the X_MODE_0 line? > > -Eric > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 12 19:23:59 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:23:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC & In-Reply-To: <1100281100.24551.117.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1100270140.4001.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100281100.24551.117.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41950DCF.20008@maltzen.net> It seems to me that Xvnc, launched via xinetd, consumes a significant amount of resources on the host, at least relative to a thin client. I've never tried it beyond just a few (three) simultaneous sessions, but even with just that number of VNC client connections, the server seems to begin bogging down. But I should qualify that by saying the server was pretty modest in memory, processor speed (just one processor) and IDE disks. Perhaps a properly outfitted server wouldn't be so easily affected. Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 08:35, John Hegarty wrote: > > >>VNC Query >>I have VNC installed on our windows pcs and they can access the server >>easily that way. However it only seems to allow 3 or 4 connections at >>any one time. > > > I don't see why that would be the case. What kind of error are you > getting? > > However, if you want to run windows clients there are a couple of > alternatives. One is the free Cygwin X version from > http://www.cygwin.com. If you start it with 'Xwin -query server' > you will have exactly the same thing as a thin client. Another is NX, a > low-bandwidth approach to X clients. Someone posted links to an > RPM-packaged server and both windows and Linux clients to the list > recently. This might be the best approach to large numbers of > windows clients and the client is easy to install. If you can't > find that posting, I can dig it up for you. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 19:56:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:56:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC & In-Reply-To: <41950DCF.20008@maltzen.net> References: <1100270140.4001.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100281100.24551.117.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41950DCF.20008@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1100289361.27413.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 13:23, Petre Scheie wrote: > It seems to me that Xvnc, launched via xinetd, consumes a significant amount of > resources on the host, at least relative to a thin client. It would be interesting to compare that to NX which does approximately the same thing to see if it is more efficient. Aside from the claimed speed/bandwidth advantages, NX lets you decide from the client side whether to completed end the session as you disconnect or leave it running so you can continue when you re-connect. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Nov 12 20:12:00 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:12:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] updating, installing, distributing apps Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112120135.026185e0@pop.easystreet.com> Hi Folks, I'm hoping that the answer to this is embarrassingly simple. But I've been using Linux for years now and installing stuff is still a mystery to me. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I think part of this is that the distros are so awesomely complete and chock full of application goodness that I rarely need to install anything, but sometimes it comes up. So, specifically, how come I can't install firefox 1.0 on my K12LTSP machine? I've tried yum update firefox, I've dowloaded the tar.gz from mozilla.org and ran the installer, lots of progress bars later I can find no trace of firefox 1.0 on my system. When I launch firefox, good ol' 0.9.3 comes up. Can someone here provide an overview of the proper way to install new apps and update old apps on K12LTSP 4.1? There's got to be an algorithm for installing that covers most cases. I'm also stymied on the procedure of making these apps available in the menus/taskbar for all users once I'm done doing my root business. Can someone explain this to me like I'm a fifth grader? A referral to a good book on the subject would be awesome as well. A side note. I added the dag yum repository to my /etc/yum.conf file. When I ran yum update it started listing package headers for about 5 minutes. Needless to say, I got scared of updating that many things and aborted. Does anyone know if it's safe to add any outside repositories to yum on a K12LTSP system? Which ones? What does this do exactly? Still a noob after all these years. TIA, this list rocks! ck From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Nov 12 20:34:00 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:34:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] updating, installing, distributing apps In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112120135.026185e0@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112120135.026185e0@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <41951E38.4010509@cfl.rr.com> yum install firefox Carl Keil wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm hoping that the answer to this is embarrassingly simple. But I've > been using Linux for years now and installing stuff is still a mystery > to me. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I think part of > this is that the distros are so awesomely complete and chock full of > application goodness that I rarely need to install anything, but > sometimes it comes up. > > So, specifically, how come I can't install firefox 1.0 on my K12LTSP > machine? I've tried yum update firefox, I've dowloaded the tar.gz > from mozilla.org and ran the installer, lots of progress bars later I > can find no trace of firefox 1.0 on my system. When I launch firefox, > good ol' 0.9.3 comes up. Can someone here provide an overview of the > proper way to install new apps and update old apps on K12LTSP 4.1? > There's got to be an algorithm for installing that covers most cases. > I'm also stymied on the procedure of making these apps available in > the menus/taskbar for all users once I'm done doing my root business. > Can someone explain this to me like I'm a fifth grader? A referral to > a good book on the subject would be awesome as well. > > A side note. I added the dag yum repository to my /etc/yum.conf > file. When I ran yum update it started listing package headers for > about 5 minutes. Needless to say, I got scared of updating that many > things and aborted. Does anyone know if it's safe to add any outside > repositories to yum on a K12LTSP system? Which ones? What does this > do exactly? > > Still a noob after all these years. > > TIA, this list rocks! > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nbs at sonic.net Fri Nov 12 20:35:37 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:35:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> Message-ID: <20041112203537.GA25845@sonic.net> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 12:16:33AM -0500, Jason wrote: > Well I just found out that the board I work at has decided to cut off > all Linux initiatives. The one LTSP that is in an elementary school > will stay. > > I wonder what they would say if they found out that the two high schools > that have Macs which have OSX which are based on Linux? Well, they're based on BSD, kinda, not Linux. But yeah, a lot of the Mac is based on Open Source stuff these days. (Safari is based on KHTML, which is the rendering engine developed for the Konqueror web browser!) Macs are nice and all, but damned if they aren't /expensive/. I'm shocked that schools, what with their tiny budgets these days, are still using them. "It's better than the alternative..." would be a great excuse if it weren't for the fact that Windows /isn't/ the only alternative. > I'm very disappointed and sad by this decision. I'm not going to give > up on Linux or Open Source. It is very disappointing. I've read SO many great stories around here about the successes of Linux and LTSP in schools, that I think it's crazy to NOT consider it above all other choices. Heck, even if Microsoft or Apple were throwing free hardware and software at a school, what happens 2 or 5 years down the line when everything needs to be upgraded? One is reminded of crack dealers. ;^) > I was to setup Linux on the old servers (replaced with new Server 2003 > machines) with Squid for proxy services. Looks like that is cancelled > already. Have they given any reason _why?_ It obviously _CAN'T_ be due to cost or resources. The alternatives are always going to be more expensive, and it sounds like they have you for the manpower. Here, have some fodder from various news sources: http://www.lugod.org/microsoft/?filter=edu http://www.lugod.org/microsoft/?filter=linux Good luck!!! -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com New Breed Software http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ Tux Paint 0.9.14 is out! From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Nov 12 20:39:25 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:39:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] updating, installing, distributing apps In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112120135.026185e0@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112120135.026185e0@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1100291964.20930.3.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 16:12, Carl Keil wrote: > So, specifically, how come I can't install firefox 1.0 on my K12LTSP > machine? I've tried yum update firefox, I've dowloaded the tar.gz from > mozilla.org and ran the installer, lots of progress bars later I can find > no trace of firefox 1.0 on my system. When I launch firefox, good ol' Generally it is installed as the root user. I have tried updating firefox (through the browser (Edit-Preferences)) a few times only to realize that I was logged on as a normal user. Tim From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Nov 12 20:39:48 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:39:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] updating, installing, distributing apps In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112120135.026185e0@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112120135.026185e0@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <41951F94.1080506@cfl.rr.com> try this yum.conf: > http://www.fedorafaq.org/#installsoftware I can grab most anything with this config. Carl Keil wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm hoping that the answer to this is embarrassingly simple. But I've > been using Linux for years now and installing stuff is still a mystery > to me. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I think part of > this is that the distros are so awesomely complete and chock full of > application goodness that I rarely need to install anything, but > sometimes it comes up. > > So, specifically, how come I can't install firefox 1.0 on my K12LTSP > machine? I've tried yum update firefox, I've dowloaded the tar.gz > from mozilla.org and ran the installer, lots of progress bars later I > can find no trace of firefox 1.0 on my system. When I launch firefox, > good ol' 0.9.3 comes up. Can someone here provide an overview of the > proper way to install new apps and update old apps on K12LTSP 4.1? > There's got to be an algorithm for installing that covers most cases. > I'm also stymied on the procedure of making these apps available in > the menus/taskbar for all users once I'm done doing my root business. > Can someone explain this to me like I'm a fifth grader? A referral to > a good book on the subject would be awesome as well. > > A side note. I added the dag yum repository to my /etc/yum.conf > file. When I ran yum update it started listing package headers for > about 5 minutes. Needless to say, I got scared of updating that many > things and aborted. Does anyone know if it's safe to add any outside > repositories to yum on a K12LTSP system? Which ones? What does this > do exactly? > > Still a noob after all these years. > > TIA, this list rocks! > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From webmaster at vol.org Fri Nov 12 20:53:24 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:53:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <20041112203537.GA25845@sonic.net> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <20041112203537.GA25845@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1100292804.24757.27.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 14:35, Bill Kendrick wrote: > Heck, even if Microsoft or Apple were throwing free hardware and software > at a school, what happens 2 or 5 years down the line when everything needs > to be upgraded? One is reminded of crack dealers. ;^) People generally don't like to plan for the long term and don't think about the monetary, social and legal costs of using proprietary software. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 21:11:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:11:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] updating, installing, distributing apps In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112120135.026185e0@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112120135.026185e0@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1100293860.32057.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 14:12, Carl Keil wrote: > A side note. I added the dag yum repository to my /etc/yum.conf > file. When I ran yum update it started listing package headers for about 5 > minutes. Needless to say, I got scared of updating that many things and > aborted. Does anyone know if it's safe to add any outside repositories to > yum on a K12LTSP system? Which ones? What does this do exactly? The first time you run yum it downloads package headers for *all* available packages from your list of repositories. This doesn't change/install anything new. Then it compares available versions to your installed rpms and will offer to download/install any newer packages. You get a chance at that point to decline. Subsequent runs will only download newer headers for the comparison. It is usually safe to add one outside repository because they are all compatible with the base release. Sometimes you will see conflicts if you add multiple outside repositories because they aren't all compatible with each other. The outside repositories offer packages not included in the base release and sometimes newer versions of packages than fedora has. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From accessys at smart.net Fri Nov 12 21:17:31 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:17:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <1100292804.24757.27.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <20041112203537.GA25845@sonic.net> <1100292804.24757.27.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, george kocke wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 14:35, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > Heck, even if Microsoft or Apple were throwing free hardware and software > > at a school, what happens 2 or 5 years down the line when everything needs > > to be upgraded? One is reminded of crack dealers. ;^) > > People generally don't like to plan for the long term and don't think > about the monetary, social and legal costs of using proprietary > software. and M$ is hoping/counting on having you hooked by then and maybe there won't be an alternative anymore and you are locked into thier stuff. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Fri Nov 12 21:33:37 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:33:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: screen resolution on terminal clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Jim McQuillan wrote: > Frank, > > Try adding the following to your lts.conf file: > > > X_HORZSYNC = "60-70" > > > That worked for me, to get a 17" flat panel to do 1280x1024 > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Frank Samuelson wrote: > > >>Some of my terminals have lcd screens that look much better if run >>at the intended resolution (1280x1024). However, I can't get >>my clients to run there. They run at 1280x960 >> >>I have added >> >>X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 -hsync >>-vsync >> >>and >> >>[00:11:25:0F:22:7F] >> XSERVER = radeon >> X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 >> >>to my lts.conf file, and I get 1280x960 resolution, not 1280x1024. >> >>I looked through the etc/build_x4_cfg file and saw nothing that >>would tip me off. Is there anything in the >>K12LTSP release 4.0.1-1 that would limit the resolution? >> >>It could be a problem w/ the XFree86 drivers I suppose. >> >> >>Thanks for any help. >> >>-Frank >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From accessys at smart.net Fri Nov 12 21:36:22 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:36:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: <1100274817.24551.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <4194CAAE.20506@inlandlakes.org> <1100274817.24551.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 08:37, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Sadly, I have to agree. I have tried to love mutt. I WANT to love > > mutt... But pine is just so blasted nice. :) yes yes yes, > > I've always thought that pine had the worst user interface that it > would be possible to design so I'm curious about why anyone would > like it - or even use it if given a choice. But these days the way it is . fast . very fast . robust . very very fast . it ignores most pop ups and other stuff . doesn't load anything but text unless asked to . no pictures . oh yeah it is fast. (I get an average of 3-500 e-mails a day) . it will run over third world phone lines that nothing else will work on . I'm also on the W3C/WAI subcommittee and Pine is minimum standard so it allows testing at the same time. and once you use it for a while it is intuitive, and it uses many of the same conventions and comands as Pico, which I also like as a lean editor Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From accessys at smart.net Fri Nov 12 21:53:46 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:53:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: <1100281968.27413.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1100281968.27413.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 10:12, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > Les, > > you are missing one point - some of us actually enjoy super-fast > > text interface that works really, really well. > > I did too until I got a GUI to work just as fast (but I used ELM, then > mutt). Now it takes about 4 seconds from icon-click to evolution having > my inbox displayed and moving through messages is as fast as anything far far too slow. 4 seconds and 300 e-mails is 20 minutes of wasted time just waiting for messages to load. Pine is as close to instantanious as the monitor can paint the screen Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Nov 12 22:09:30 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:09:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: updating, installing, distributing apps Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112140643.0261d4f8@pop.easystreet.com> When I run yum install firefox the following happens: [root at private root]# yum install firefox Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 2 - i386 - Base Server: K12LTSP Server: Fedora Core 2 - i386 - Released Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers httpd-devel-0-2.0.51-2.9. 100% |=========================| 8.8 kB 00:00 subversion-devel-0-1.0.9- 100% |=========================| 5.2 kB 00:00 mod_ssl-1-2.0.51-2.9.i386 100% |=========================| 7.5 kB 00:00 httpd-manual-0-2.0.51-2.9 100% |=========================| 24 kB 00:00 subversion-perl-0-1.0.9-1 100% |=========================| 5.0 kB 00:00 subversion-0-1.0.9-1.i386 100% |=========================| 9.8 kB 00:00 mod_dav_svn-0-1.0.9-1.i38 100% |=========================| 3.4 kB 00:00 httpd-0-2.0.51-2.9.i386.h 100% |=========================| 19 kB 00:00 firefox is installed and is the latest version. No actions to take [root at private root]# 0.9.3 still runs when I click the little world icon in my task bar. I changed it that icon from mozilla, by typing "firefox" where it said mozilla %s in the properties window for that taskbar icon. How would I get firefox to show up in people's taskbars/menus. ck From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Nov 12 22:07:33 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:07:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Selective floppy access ??? In-Reply-To: <4194C992.5030806@earthlink.net> References: <419400F2.4070808@netscape.net> <4194C992.5030806@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <41953425.4010908@netscape.net> rgibson57 at earthlink.net wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We're starting to encounter a problem with the floppyd function. >> Recently, without there being any changes to the system cedrtain >> thin-client cannot access the local floppy drive. Message is permission >> denied, but when I check both the lts.conf and the workstation >> permissions these are no different from the other workstation that can >> access the local floppy....... any suggestions >> K12LTSP V4.0.1 >> Server P-IV 2.8GHz, 2GB, 2x 80GB SATA HD >> Workstations - Compaq P-I mix of 5175 to 5166 >> NIC 3-Com 905 >> >> and no its not a certain box but a mix of ws's..... ? >> >> thks >> norbert >> > I had what sounds like a similar problem last week. I spent a couple > of hours trying to track down the problem. Freaking out thinking > something was wrong building-wide. I finally decided it was bad > floppies. The floppies in question wouldn't work in the server, or any > Windows machines either. I formatted on the teachers windows machine a > blank floppy and went to the thin clients that seemed to be having > problems (with the two previous floppies). The new formatted floppy > worked fine, copied back and forth, logged into the next machine, > copied back and forth. Then, later the lab teacher told me that when a > student brings in a bad floppy and has access problems, and she gets > the permission denied message, she finds she must reboot the thin > client for any floppy to work. (?) > > I chalked it off to the fact that in my experience about a third of > any given box of floppies is bad right off the shelf. I always format > a floppy before I use it, but most people may not do that.We have one > linux workstation in the lab with USB ports in the front panel and the > kids can log into that machine with a USB key and copy their stuff to > their homes. We purchased some USB keys (watch for sales and rebates) > and check them out like library books for kids who can't email their > work to themselves because they don't have internet access, or if they > are working on something big. The USB keys seem to be much more > reliable than floppies. (We don't have any clients with USB ports, so > I went and bought a newer case so the ports would be on the front with > easy access just for the kids.) > > Rita Gibson > RMSEL Tech > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hi Rita, Thank you for the response, I did consider bad floppies, but discounted that when those same floppies were read without problems on other clients. Further to eliminate the possibility that the drives are we tested with new drives and the same problem appeared. The strangest is that most of the WS use a boot floppy. I agree using USB would be great but the school doesn't have budgets to swap them out ... thanks norbert From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 12 22:15:35 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:15:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: updating, installing, distributing apps In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112140643.0261d4f8@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112140643.0261d4f8@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <41953607.3060508@paasda.org> if firefox is already installed... don't you need to use the 'upgrade' option? *shrugs* kinda new to the funky auto-installer stuff in linux. (redcarpet *drool*) --Huck Carl Keil wrote: > When I run yum install firefox the following happens: > > [root at private root]# yum install firefox > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Fedora Core 2 - i386 - Base > Server: K12LTSP > Server: Fedora Core 2 - i386 - Released Updates > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > httpd-devel-0-2.0.51-2.9. 100% |=========================| 8.8 kB > 00:00 > subversion-devel-0-1.0.9- 100% |=========================| 5.2 kB > 00:00 > mod_ssl-1-2.0.51-2.9.i386 100% |=========================| 7.5 kB > 00:00 > httpd-manual-0-2.0.51-2.9 100% |=========================| 24 kB > 00:00 > subversion-perl-0-1.0.9-1 100% |=========================| 5.0 kB > 00:00 > subversion-0-1.0.9-1.i386 100% |=========================| 9.8 kB > 00:00 > mod_dav_svn-0-1.0.9-1.i38 100% |=========================| 3.4 kB > 00:00 > httpd-0-2.0.51-2.9.i386.h 100% |=========================| 19 kB > 00:00 > firefox is installed and is the latest version. > No actions to take > [root at private root]# > > 0.9.3 still runs when I click the little world icon in my task bar. I > changed it that icon from mozilla, by typing "firefox" where it said > mozilla %s in the properties window for that taskbar icon. How would > I get firefox to show up in people's taskbars/menus. > > > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Nov 12 22:11:45 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:11:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC & In-Reply-To: <1100270140.4001.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100270140.4001.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41953521.6020200@netscape.net> jh at clongowes.net wrote: > I think the rate of development of Linux, LTSP and K12LTSP is simply > astounding. I started using it here on a trial basis 6 months ago and > liked what I saw so much that I persuaded the school to invest in a > server and some thin clients from diskless workstations as well as > using some of our old pcs as clients. I have long term plans to have > about 70 thin clients over the next 2-3 years. Working with Linux has > made computers fun again for me (recovering windows administrator) - > and the students are getting into it too. > > VNC Query > I have VNC installed on our windows pcs and they can access the server > easily that way. However it only seems to allow 3 or 4 connections at > any one time. It would be handy for me to be able to get 20-25 > connections at the same time for use with a class which has winxp > computers only. I want to avoid dual boot and see vnc as a quick > solution to access from this room without any need to reconfigure the > clients. The server is a dual Xeon 2.8 with 2GB RAM and scsi hard > disks so I reckon it should be able for the load as the thin clients > outside of this room wouldn't be used at the same time. > > jh > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi, Why don't you switch things around.... Use K12ltsp as your main server, add a W2K or Server2003 server and make all your connections via thin clients. From the thin client create an icon for rdesktop to the Windows server and voila both systems accessed without dual boot or rebooting. good luck norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From accessys at smart.net Fri Nov 12 22:26:11 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:26:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Jason wrote: > Well I just found out that the board I work at has decided to cut off > all Linux initiatives. The one LTSP that is in an elementary school > will stay. hmmm, does that mean that you can't have an afterschool/study period computer club (running LTSP of course) using donated computers that members can use as needed. You of course are the advisor. might get the students pushing for OSS Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 22:30:43 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:30:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: References: <1100281968.27413.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1100298643.32057.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 15:53, Access Systems wrote: > > > > I did too until I got a GUI to work just as fast (but I used ELM, then > > mutt). Now it takes about 4 seconds from icon-click to evolution having > > my inbox displayed and moving through messages is as fast as anything > > far far too slow. 4 seconds and 300 e-mails is 20 minutes of wasted time > just waiting for messages to load. Pine is as close to instantanious as > the monitor can paint the screen I didn't mean 4 seconds per message, I meant 4 seconds to start evolution and have all that fits of my inbox listing on the screen along with a sidebar showing all my other folders and their unread message counts. I don't think I could measure the time it takes to go message-to-message. That's basically instant. One of the 'other' folders catches all the failed inbound mail for a domain that gets so much spam I gave up on trying to return the bad addresses so it accumulates at least a thousand an hour. it might take a couple of minutes to complete the expunge of 30,000 or so but viewing, selecting, deleting is still fast. (With Imap a delete just marks it for deleting, the expunge is the file operation). These speeds are on a local ethernet with the server (an SME server using maildir storage). It goes a little slower from home but still not bad. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Nov 12 22:40:24 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:40:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox 1 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112143924.0267fe98@pop.easystreet.com> Has anyone upgraded to firefox 1 yet? Could it be that it's not in the repositories yet? I'm not finding an rpm for it, just this tar.gz thingy on their website. ck From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Fri Nov 12 22:45:28 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:45:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: References: <1100281968.27413.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Access Systems wrote: > far far too slow. 4 seconds and 300 e-mails is 20 minutes of wasted time > just waiting for messages to load. Pine is as close to instantanious as > the monitor can paint the screen Or as it fast as it comes to my 9600 baud VT240. Only 1 problem. How do I get my sent mail folder to sort by recipient rather than sender (me,me,me,me), unlike every other folder? From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 22:47:28 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:47:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox 1 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112143924.0267fe98@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112143924.0267fe98@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1100299648.32057.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 16:40, Carl Keil wrote: > Has anyone upgraded to firefox 1 yet? > Could it be that it's not in the repositories yet? > I'm not finding an rpm for it, just this tar.gz thingy on their website. Fedora core3 has 1.0 in their update repository. Earlier versions are still at .93. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Fri Nov 12 22:50:59 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:50:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: File Server problem In-Reply-To: <20041112182520.63471.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041112182520.63471.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jennifer Waters wrote: > /home 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 > > > Application server > mount /home > mount to NFS server 'ss03.madison.ppsnet' failed: > server is down. > > On another server I got this, > mount: RPC: Remote system error - no route to host. Apparently this machine can't find the host (ss03.madison.ppsnet), this could be a name resolution problem (DNS), or possibly the network isn't working on this computer. > > This is the line that I had in fstab: > ss03.madison.ppsnet:/home /home nfs defaults, > rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 > > Any suggestions? > > Jennifer > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 23:05:18 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:05:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] File Server problem In-Reply-To: <20041112182520.63471.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041112182520.63471.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1100300718.32057.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 12:25, Jennifer Waters wrote: > Application server > mount /home > mount to NFS server 'ss03.madison.ppsnet' failed: > server is down. > > On another server I got this, > mount: RPC: Remote system error - no route to host. > > This is the line that I had in fstab: > ss03.madison.ppsnet:/home /home nfs defaults, > rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 > > Any suggestions? Assuming you have basic network connectivity (ping works, etc.) you might need 'service nfs start' on the server (and if so, you need to 'chkconfig --level 345 nfs on' to make it start at bootup. Or, if you are running iptables firewalling on either client or server you make need to drop or modify it. You can do a 'showmount -e' on the server and the client should see the same list with 'showmount -e ss03.madison.ppsnet' if the services are running and not blocked. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 12 23:10:16 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:10:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3/stateless Message-ID: <1100301016.32057.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Is anyone following the 'stateless' linux concept as it is being worked into FC3? http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/stateless/ It looks like the diskless, caching, and liveCD clients might mesh nicely with the ltsp concepts and take advantage of higher-powered client PCs. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nbs at sonic.net Fri Nov 12 23:16:59 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:16:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <20041112203537.GA25845@sonic.net> <1100292804.24757.27.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <20041112231659.GA13752@sonic.net> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 04:17:31PM -0500, Access Systems wrote: > and M$ is hoping/counting on having you hooked by then and maybe there > won't be an alternative anymore and you are locked into thier stuff. There'll always be alternatives, now. Trying to 'kill' Open Source is like try to kill pizza. Sure, you might be able to make Round Table go under, but there's always Pizza Hut. Or, you can just bake it yourself at home. :) -bill! From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Nov 12 23:56:21 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:56:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <20041112231659.GA13752@sonic.net> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <20041112203537.GA25845@sonic.net> <1100292804.24757.27.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <20041112231659.GA13752@sonic.net> Message-ID: <41954DA5.6090700@execulink.com> Hi everyone. Thanks very much for the support. It's very comforting that I'm not alone and that there is plenty of information to help convince the board otherwise. They have pretty much cut of teachers from being innovative. I don't think this will last long as things are in motion. Interestingly enough the trustee for the area has children that go to the school with the LTSP. He's going to check it out and talk to the teacher about how it's going. In Ontario the Ministry of Education has a website www.osapac.org that shows a list of software that they have licensed for schools to use. Some have limits as to take home etc. I submitted Open Office last year. I'm going to submit open source software as it seems schools only use it if the Ministry approves it (like our board with Star Office). I'm on an education discussion news server and I'm bringing up Open Source software and Linux and get some questions and comments. It's going to be an uphill battle but I welcome the challenge. Just planting the seeds and adding some water once in awhile. The word that comes to mind when dealing with open source and Linux: community. Jason From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Sat Nov 13 00:06:43 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:06:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Selective floppy access ??? In-Reply-To: <41953425.4010908@netscape.net> References: <419400F2.4070808@netscape.net> <4194C992.5030806@earthlink.net> <41953425.4010908@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41955013.5000208@earthlink.net> norbert wrote: > rgibson57 at earthlink.net wrote: > >> norbert wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We're starting to encounter a problem with the floppyd function. >>> Recently, without there being any changes to the system cedrtain >>> thin-client cannot access the local floppy drive. Message is permission >>> denied, but when I check both the lts.conf and the workstation >>> permissions these are no different from the other workstation that can >>> access the local floppy....... any suggestions >>> K12LTSP V4.0.1 >>> Server P-IV 2.8GHz, 2GB, 2x 80GB SATA HD >>> Workstations - Compaq P-I mix of 5175 to 5166 >>> NIC 3-Com 905 >>> >>> and no its not a certain box but a mix of ws's..... ? >>> >>> thks >>> norbert >>> >> I had what sounds like a similar problem last week. I spent a couple >> of hours trying to track down the problem. Freaking out thinking >> something was wrong building-wide. I finally decided it was bad >> floppies. The floppies in question wouldn't work in the server, or >> any Windows machines either. I formatted on the teachers windows >> machine a blank floppy and went to the thin clients that seemed to be >> having problems (with the two previous floppies). The new formatted >> floppy worked fine, copied back and forth, logged into the next >> machine, copied back and forth. Then, later the lab teacher told me >> that when a student brings in a bad floppy and has access problems, >> and she gets the permission denied message, she finds she must reboot >> the thin client for any floppy to work. (?) >> >> I chalked it off to the fact that in my experience about a third of >> any given box of floppies is bad right off the shelf. I always format >> a floppy before I use it, but most people may not do that.We have one >> linux workstation in the lab with USB ports in the front panel and >> the kids can log into that machine with a USB key and copy their >> stuff to their homes. We purchased some USB keys (watch for sales and >> rebates) and check them out like library books for kids who can't >> email their work to themselves because they don't have internet >> access, or if they are working on something big. The USB keys seem to >> be much more reliable than floppies. (We don't have any clients with >> USB ports, so I went and bought a newer case so the ports would be on >> the front with easy access just for the kids.) >> >> Rita Gibson >> RMSEL Tech >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > Hi Rita, > > Thank you for the response, I did consider bad floppies, but > discounted that when those same floppies were read without problems on > other clients. Further to eliminate the possibility that the drives > are we tested with new drives and the same problem appeared. The > strangest is that most of the WS use a boot floppy. > I agree using USB would be great but the school doesn't have budgets > to swap them out ... > > thanks > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Did you try rebooting the client to see if the floppies worked then? Also, have you cleaned the floppy drives lately? Rita From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 13 01:36:23 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:36:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> Message-ID: <41956517.7000504@cmosnetworks.com> You are not alone. My district has the same attitude. I've been sorely tempted a number of times to give up. Richard Stallman's example is why I haven't; he's taken a lot more abuse than I have and probably most of us have. --TP Jason wrote: > Well I just found out that the board I work at has decided to cut off > all Linux initiatives. The one LTSP that is in an elementary school > will stay. > > I wonder what they would say if they found out that the two high > schools that have Macs which have OSX which are based on Linux? > > I'm very disappointed and sad by this decision. I'm not going to give > up on Linux or Open Source. > > I also found out that the trustee in the area has children that go to > the same school that the LTSP is in. He is aware of Linux and perhaps > it's time that he has a little tour of the mini-lab with LTSP. > > Show him how well it works, cost effective etc and oh by the way the > board has cancelled other Linux mini-labs. > > I was to setup Linux on the old servers (replaced with new Server 2003 > machines) with Squid for proxy services. Looks like that is cancelled > already. > > Jason > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From robark at telus.net Sat Nov 13 03:06:21 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:06:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox 1 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112143924.0267fe98@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112143924.0267fe98@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <41957A2D.4070800@telus.net> Carl Keil wrote: > Has anyone upgraded to firefox 1 yet? > Could it be that it's not in the repositories yet? > I'm not finding an rpm for it, just this tar.gz thingy on their website. > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Search this list in end of Oct and early Nov. I asked the same question and got many replies and I posted my solution. Robert Arkiletian From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Nov 13 03:09:04 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:09:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Selective floppy access ??? In-Reply-To: <41955013.5000208@earthlink.net> References: <419400F2.4070808@netscape.net> <4194C992.5030806@earthlink.net> <41953425.4010908@netscape.net> <41955013.5000208@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <41957AD0.3010008@netscape.net> rgibson57 at earthlink.net wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> rgibson57 at earthlink.net wrote: >> >>> norbert wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> We're starting to encounter a problem with the floppyd function. >>>> Recently, without there being any changes to the system cedrtain >>>> thin-client cannot access the local floppy drive. Message is >>>> permission >>>> denied, but when I check both the lts.conf and the workstation >>>> permissions these are no different from the other workstation that can >>>> access the local floppy....... any suggestions >>>> K12LTSP V4.0.1 >>>> Server P-IV 2.8GHz, 2GB, 2x 80GB SATA HD >>>> Workstations - Compaq P-I mix of 5175 to 5166 >>>> NIC 3-Com 905 >>>> >>>> and no its not a certain box but a mix of ws's..... ? >>>> >>>> thks >>>> norbert >>>> >>> I had what sounds like a similar problem last week. I spent a couple >>> of hours trying to track down the problem. Freaking out thinking >>> something was wrong building-wide. I finally decided it was bad >>> floppies. The floppies in question wouldn't work in the server, or >>> any Windows machines either. I formatted on the teachers windows >>> machine a blank floppy and went to the thin clients that seemed to >>> be having problems (with the two previous floppies). The new >>> formatted floppy worked fine, copied back and forth, logged into the >>> next machine, copied back and forth. Then, later the lab teacher >>> told me that when a student brings in a bad floppy and has access >>> problems, and she gets the permission denied message, she finds she >>> must reboot the thin client for any floppy to work. (?) >>> >>> I chalked it off to the fact that in my experience about a third of >>> any given box of floppies is bad right off the shelf. I always >>> format a floppy before I use it, but most people may not do that.We >>> have one linux workstation in the lab with USB ports in the front >>> panel and the kids can log into that machine with a USB key and copy >>> their stuff to their homes. We purchased some USB keys (watch for >>> sales and rebates) and check them out like library books for kids >>> who can't email their work to themselves because they don't have >>> internet access, or if they are working on something big. The USB >>> keys seem to be much more reliable than floppies. (We don't have any >>> clients with USB ports, so I went and bought a newer case so the >>> ports would be on the front with easy access just for the kids.) >>> >>> Rita Gibson >>> RMSEL Tech >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> >> Hi Rita, >> >> Thank you for the response, I did consider bad floppies, but >> discounted that when those same floppies were read without problems >> on other clients. Further to eliminate the possibility that the >> drives are we tested with new drives and the same problem appeared. >> The strangest is that most of the WS use a boot floppy. >> I agree using USB would be great but the school doesn't have budgets >> to swap them out ... >> >> thanks >> norbert >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > Did you try rebooting the client to see if the floppies worked then? > Also, have you cleaned the floppy drives lately? > > Rita > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hi Rita, Yes I've tried rebooting the WS numerous times, but cleaning the floppy drives ? I've replaced the floppy drives wihout any effect. thks norbert From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Nov 13 03:22:49 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:22:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] multiple LTSP servers on the same network using XDMCP chooser In-Reply-To: <41938766.8060300@magic.fr> References: <41938766.8060300@magic.fr> Message-ID: <41957E09.9080005@inlandlakes.org> Dennis Daniels wrote: > Does anyone on this list have FC2 and XDMCP chooser running multiple > LTSP servers and a central mounted NFS /home? If yes, could you post the > critical pieces of the setup process and samples from your history > commands? We're in a real bind here and could use a success story! :) I've heard a lot of talk about XDMCP choosers, but my solution (over Christmas break) is going to be a round-robin DNS entry for the servers. In the dhcpd.conf file, I'll point the clients to a dns name instead of an IP address, and split the load. It may not be perfectly balanced, but it should be pretty close. Also, failure should be transparent to the users because I'll just pluck the failed server from the round robin entry... All that said, I'm still using 4.0.1 (FC1 I believe) and haven't seen any NFS issues, so I can't comment on that part. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From carl at snarlnet.com Sat Nov 13 03:48:29 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:48:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Just got an Amer TC500 Message-ID: <000401c4c933$aa443b90$0401000a@winworkstation> Does anyone know what I have to do in lts.conf to get a TC500 to show its video output on a TV via the S Video output? I'm trying to set up a thin client in the living room and not having a monitor would be awesome. Thanks, ck From les at futuresource.com Sat Nov 13 04:06:32 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:06:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] multiple LTSP servers on the same network using XDMCP chooser In-Reply-To: <41957E09.9080005@inlandlakes.org> References: <41938766.8060300@magic.fr> <41957E09.9080005@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1100318791.16587.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 21:22, Shawn Powers wrote: > I've heard a lot of talk about XDMCP choosers, but my solution (over > Christmas break) is going to be a round-robin DNS entry for the servers. > In the dhcpd.conf file, I'll point the clients to a dns name instead > of an IP address, and split the load. It should work to simply give each DHCP server a smaller non-overlapping range, each pointing to itself as the boot server. The clients should connect to whichever one answers first and the servers would stop answering when they run out of addresses. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at telus.net Sat Nov 13 07:45:42 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:45:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <41956517.7000504@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <41956517.7000504@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4195BBA6.5020102@telus.net> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > You are not alone. My district has the same attitude. I've been > sorely tempted a number of times to give up. Richard Stallman's > example is why I haven't; he's taken a lot more abuse than I have and > probably most of us have. > I think we have all felt as though some people just don't get it. Some people cannot understand/appreciate the ENORMOUS benefit of this technology. Not just the money, ease of admin, sense of community and quality but the fundamental principle of "FREE SOFTWARE RIGHTS" of the GPL. Most people think "free" only pertains to money. WE (in this list) are pioneers. It's not easy sometimes but it's worth it. We all know we are doing something GOOD. FOSS is a grass roots community movement. In time things will change. Think long term. Don't forget that Linux/FOSS is growing very rapidly in the rest of the world. Weather they like it or not FOSS projects like K12LTSP are the future of computing in education. It's just a matter of time. Remember what Linus said: "I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect" Robert Arkiletian From limesh at enjayworld.com Sat Nov 13 07:55:32 2004 From: limesh at enjayworld.com (Limesh) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:25:32 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <4195BBA6.5020102@telus.net> Message-ID: Hi, I completely agree to the view of Mr. Robert. Here in India the condition is even worse, since in many small places, the rate of piracy is quite high, people just are not able to make out the difference between the two type of FREE software. It becomes very difficult for us to convinience the concept of LINUX or GNU or Open Source for that matter. But then I have the opinion that every new thing (even if it is better) is faced with resistance in beginning) But if we keep on trying we will surely succeed. So, keep trying ! ! ! Limesh Parekh -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:16 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux cut off Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > You are not alone. My district has the same attitude. I've been > sorely tempted a number of times to give up. Richard Stallman's > example is why I haven't; he's taken a lot more abuse than I have and > probably most of us have. > I think we have all felt as though some people just don't get it. Some people cannot understand/appreciate the ENORMOUS benefit of this technology. Not just the money, ease of admin, sense of community and quality but the fundamental principle of "FREE SOFTWARE RIGHTS" of the GPL. Most people think "free" only pertains to money. WE (in this list) are pioneers. It's not easy sometimes but it's worth it. We all know we are doing something GOOD. FOSS is a grass roots community movement. In time things will change. Think long term. Don't forget that Linux/FOSS is growing very rapidly in the rest of the world. Weather they like it or not FOSS projects like K12LTSP are the future of computing in education. It's just a matter of time. Remember what Linus said: "I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect" Robert Arkiletian _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dean at mumby.co.za Sat Nov 13 08:32:25 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:32:25 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ISOs for DVDs In-Reply-To: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> References: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> Message-ID: <4195C699.4040507@mumby.co.za> Henning Wangerin wrote: >Hi gurus! > >Would it be possible to also have iso-files available for dvds? > >Most systems (servers) where I install K12ltsp or just plain FC2 have >dvd-drives, so it would be much easier to just insert a single disk, >answer a lot of questions, start the installation and go on the the next >instalation. > >I'm nearly always running around with a set of discs in in my tool-box, >and would also like to save a little space there ;-) > >TIA > > I also believe this would be a great addition , means keeping track of less discs and files. Dean From jh at clongowes.net Sat Nov 13 11:27:12 2004 From: jh at clongowes.net (John Hegarty) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:27:12 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC In-Reply-To: <1100281100.24551.117.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1100270140.4001.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100281100.24551.117.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1100345232.5629.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 17:38, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 08:35, John Hegarty wrote: > > > VNC Query > > I have VNC installed on our windows pcs and they can access the server > > easily that way. However it only seems to allow 3 or 4 connections at > > any one time. > > I don't see why that would be the case. What kind of error are you > getting? The error I am getting with VNC on the 3rd or 4th person connecting is simply "connection closed". If one person ends their session then another can get in immediately. Is there something about the way that VNC works that causes this? Am I simply expecting VNC to do something it wasn't designed to do. I am playing a bit with NX as a possible alternative but the fact that I can put a single file on the windows desktops (vncviewer) and that it requires no installation or configuration makes vnc an attractive, though some are telling me not very efficient, solution to making the linux server available to the windows machines. jh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Nov 13 16:01:34 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:01:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] multiple LTSP servers on the same network using XDMCP chooser In-Reply-To: <1100318791.16587.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <41938766.8060300@magic.fr> <41957E09.9080005@inlandlakes.org> <1100318791.16587.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41962FDE.3020404@inlandlakes.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > It should work to simply give each DHCP server a smaller non-overlapping > range, each pointing to itself as the boot server. The clients should > connect to whichever one answers first and the servers would stop > answering when they run out of addresses. Ahh, now THATs a good thought... And if a server goes offline, it will stop dishing out DHCP responses too... I like that. Thanks Les, I'll have to try that. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dalen at czexan.net Sat Nov 13 16:54:02 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:54:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ISOs for DVDs In-Reply-To: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> References: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> Message-ID: <41963C2A.1030701@czexan.net> Henning Wangerin wrote: > Hi gurus! > > Would it be possible to also have iso-files available for dvds? > > Most systems (servers) where I install K12ltsp or just plain FC2 have > dvd-drives, so it would be much easier to just insert a single disk, > answer a lot of questions, start the installation and go on the the next > instalation. > > I'm nearly always running around with a set of discs in in my tool-box, > and would also like to save a little space there ;-) > > TIA Henning, Below is a link to a perl script that makes a dvd iso out of cd isos. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=dvd+iso+howto&hl=en&lr=&selm=220920031353027567%25piercer%40nospam_pacbell.net&rnum=3 I haven't tried it myself. You might also consider copying the files to an nfs or http server and doing a network install with the boot.iso disc. I haven't timed it, but network installs over 1Gb network seem faster than the cd/dvd method. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Nov 13 17:26:04 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:26:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Good News Message-ID: <1100366763.10273.340.camel@localhost.localdomain> Our school is located 20 miles from the Kennedy Space Center. Last Thursday our principal came by our lab with two people from NASA who are surveying local schools to get an idea of what kind technology is being used. (In our case 160 windows 98 PCs and the K12LTSP lab). They are part of a project that is in the initial planning stages of providing some sort of launch monitoring application to schools. They were impressed with our K12LTSP LAB. Shortly after they left, the principal came in and said she wants to start upgrading the technology in the classrooms. I explained that the most cost effective option and IMHO best option was to add another K12LTSP server and start putting the same desktop in the classrooms as we have in the lab. She gave me the go ahead. Here's how it shook out: Proof of concept using 3 classrooms as a testbed. Install additional K12LTSP Server Install a windows 2003 Terminal server. Convert the 7 windows 98 PCs in each class to terminals. Provide access to Advantage Learning Systems applications via rdesktop and 2003 Terminal Server. Add two new XP PCs to each room in order to provide access to windows based multimedia applications (edutainment games, etc.) Replace hodge podge assortment of monitors with 15" LCD's We are nearing our three year mark for K12LTSP and this is proof positive it has been a success. The three pilot teachers are very enthusiastic about expanding the lab into their classrooms. If I can provide grade quick / edline via rdesktop I believe these teachers will use the Linux desktop on their workstations also. This is a big vote of confidence. John From les at futuresource.com Sat Nov 13 18:13:44 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:13:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC In-Reply-To: <1100345232.5629.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100270140.4001.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100281100.24551.117.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1100345232.5629.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100369624.18618.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 05:27, John Hegarty wrote: > The error I am getting with VNC on the 3rd or 4th person connecting is > simply "connection closed". If one person ends their session then > another can get in immediately. Is there something about the way that > VNC works that causes this? Am I simply expecting VNC to do something > it wasn't designed to do. It isn't vnc imposing the limit. Try running gdmconfig and under the XDMCP tab increase the nunber of displays per host. All the Xvnc connections will appear to be coming from the local host. > I am playing a bit with NX as a possible alternative but the fact that > I can put a single file on the windows desktops (vncviewer) and that > it requires no installation or configuration makes vnc an attractive, > though some are telling me not very efficient, solution to making the > linux server available to the windows machines. Maybe you can come up with a way to automate the NX install or put it on a shared drive since the configurations will all be the same. If you see any real differences in performance or efficiency between the approaches, please post them. ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at telus.net Sat Nov 13 18:32:11 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:32:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] $5,000 cluster server powers 120 clients? Message-ID: <4196532B.8040005@telus.net> I think this idea is worth looking at: Why not make a MONSTER LTSP server with say a 6 node cluster of AMD Sempron 3100+'s. They have built in memory controller so RAM latency is low. They are 754 pin cpu and most of these MB come with Gigabit lan and SATA built in. Here is the specs for each node: CPU AMD Sempron 3100+ (32bit cpu) $150 MB ASUS K8V-X VIA K8T800 (or nforce3 chipset) Gigabit LAN, SATA $120 Ram 2 sticks of 1024MB= 2GB DDR400 $220 HD 1 Seagate SATA 120GB $120 case with quality 400W PS $100 Total cost of 1 node approx. $700 Cluster price approx. $4200 + Plus Switch for cluster: 8 port gigabit switch $200 = $4400 total (approx. same price as a dual Xeon 2.8Ghz with 4Gb of RAM) But this 6 node cluster would be at least 10x more powerful. 720 GB disk storage 12 GB RAM Could serve 120 clients == 4 labs What do you guys think? Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary School From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Nov 13 18:46:54 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:46:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] ISOs for DVDs In-Reply-To: <41963C2A.1030701@czexan.net> References: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <41963C2A.1030701@czexan.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, dale wrote: > I haven't tried it myself. You might also consider copying the files to an nfs > or http server and doing a network install with the boot.iso disc. I haven't > timed it, but network installs over 1Gb network seem faster than the cd/dvd > method. As someone who does *lots* of installs, I can tell you that network installs over 100Mb networks are faster than cd/dvd installs. This assumes the network is not congested or the FTP/HTTP server is not overloaded, of course. At work, I do all the installs right off the k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us server ;-) -Eric From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Sat Nov 13 18:54:00 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:54:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] ISOs for DVDs In-Reply-To: References: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <41963C2A.1030701@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1100372040.6916.12.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 19:46, Eric Harrison wrote: > As someone who does *lots* of installs, I can tell you that network installs > over 100Mb networks are faster than cd/dvd installs. This assumes the > network is not congested or the FTP/HTTP server is not overloaded, of > course. Sure, but I have many installs in private households, many don't use the LTSP part, but I like the all-in-one-enter/edu-tainment setup, witch has been a hit in quite a number of families haning on to winblows for that. > At work, I do all the installs right off the k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us > server ;-) Yah, but on a 128/256 or 128/512 that's not much fun! -- Henning Wangerin From jh at clongowes.net Sat Nov 13 19:06:42 2004 From: jh at clongowes.net (John Hegarty) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:06:42 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC In-Reply-To: <1100369624.18618.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1100270140.4001.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100281100.24551.117.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1100345232.5629.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100369624.18618.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1100372802.5629.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 18:13, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 05:27, John Hegarty wrote: > > > The error I am getting with VNC on the 3rd or 4th person connecting is > > simply "connection closed". > It isn't vnc imposing the limit. Try running gdmconfig and under > the XDMCP tab increase the nunber of displays per host. All the Xvnc > connections will appear to be coming from the local host. Yep that is it. Bumped it up and it worked immediately. Thanks. Now to see if the server can cope. > > I am playing a bit with NX as a possible alternative > > > > Maybe you can come up with a way to automate the NX install or put it on > a shared drive since the configurations will all be the same. If you > see any real differences in performance or efficiency between the > approaches, please post them. When I get more time I'll look again at NX as it sounds like a much better way to go. > > ---- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat Nov 13 19:27:10 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:27:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ISOs for DVDs In-Reply-To: <1100372040.6916.12.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> References: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <41963C2A.1030701@czexan.net> <1100372040.6916.12.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> Message-ID: <1100374029.18618.35.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 12:54, Henning Wangerin wrote: > Yah, but on a 128/256 or 128/512 that's not much fun! A handy trick is to have a laptop where you download the iso images into a directory that is exported via nfs. Then you can download over your fastest connection and take it wherever you need it. Then you just need the 1st CD (which you should keep around for a 'rescue' boot anyway). Answer the boot prompt with 'linux askmethod', pick nfs image, and point it to the directory where you put the images. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Sat Nov 13 19:37:50 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:37:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] ISOs for DVDs In-Reply-To: <1100374029.18618.35.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <41963C2A.1030701@czexan.net> <1100372040.6916.12.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <1100374029.18618.35.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1100374669.6916.18.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 20:27, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 12:54, Henning Wangerin wrote: > > > Yah, but on a 128/256 or 128/512 that's not much fun! > > A handy trick is to have a laptop where you download > the iso images into a directory that is exported via Have been thinking of such a solution, but haven't access to a laptop at the moment ;-) - but have a nice very small desktop (11x30x35cm HxWxD) s? it's getting very close to portable! - and it's actually also my home K12LTSP-server. > nfs. Then you can download over your fastest connection > and take it wherever you need it. Then you just need > the 1st CD (which you should keep around for a 'rescue' > boot anyway). Answer the boot prompt with 'linux askmethod', > pick nfs image, and point it to the directory where you > put the images. How do I set that up? Is just placing the isos at a shared location, or do I need to mount the isos to subdirs in the shared location? -- Henning Wangerin From dalen at czexan.net Sat Nov 13 20:03:35 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:03:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ISOs for DVDs In-Reply-To: <1100374669.6916.18.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> References: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <41963C2A.1030701@czexan.net> <1100372040.6916.12.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <1100374029.18618.35.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1100374669.6916.18.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> Message-ID: <41966897.4010209@czexan.net> Henning Wangerin wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 20:27, Les Mikesell wrote: > >>On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 12:54, Henning Wangerin wrote: >> >> >>>Yah, but on a 128/256 or 128/512 that's not much fun! >> >>A handy trick is to have a laptop where you download >>the iso images into a directory that is exported via > > > Have been thinking of such a solution, but haven't access to a laptop > at the moment ;-) > > - but have a nice very small desktop (11x30x35cm HxWxD) s? it's getting > very close to portable! > - and it's actually also my home K12LTSP-server. > > >>nfs. Then you can download over your fastest connection >>and take it wherever you need it. Then you just need >>the 1st CD (which you should keep around for a 'rescue' >>boot anyway). Answer the boot prompt with 'linux askmethod', >>pick nfs image, and point it to the directory where you >>put the images. > > > How do I set that up? Is just placing the isos at a shared location, or > do I need to mount the isos to subdirs in the shared location? > You could also try putting an old 10GB or so hard drive in a usb enclosure (about $40) and copy the images to the usb drive. Then plug the usb drive into the home system, boot and install from usb mounted share. It's cheaper than a laptop, very small, and portable. You could probably also keep updates on the usb drive to shorten the update time when users are on dialup or slow broadband. From les at futuresource.com Sat Nov 13 20:38:57 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:38:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ISOs for DVDs In-Reply-To: <1100374669.6916.18.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> References: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <41963C2A.1030701@czexan.net> <1100372040.6916.12.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <1100374029.18618.35.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1100374669.6916.18.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> Message-ID: <419670E1.1090304@futuresource.com> Henning Wangerin wrote: >>A handy trick is to have a laptop where you download >>the iso images into a directory that is exported via >> >> > >Have been thinking of such a solution, but haven't access to a laptop >at the moment ;-) > >- but have a nice very small desktop (11x30x35cm HxWxD) s? it's getting >very close to portable! >- and it's actually also my home K12LTSP-server. > > That's perfect for new installs because you also always have a DHCP server even if you start with nothing else on the network. A laptop set up to demo k12ltsp would be good also. >> Answer the boot prompt with 'linux askmethod', >>pick nfs image, and point it to the directory where you >>put the images. >> >> > >How do I set that up? Is just placing the isos at a shared location, or >do I need to mount the isos to subdirs in the shared location? > > > There is no setup other than putting the *.iso images under a directory that is exported via NFS. The installer takes care of the magic needed to mount them. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Sat Nov 13 21:50:52 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:50:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] ISOs for DVDs In-Reply-To: <419670E1.1090304@futuresource.com> References: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <41963C2A.1030701@czexan.net> <1100372040.6916.12.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <1100374029.18618.35.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1100374669.6916.18.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <419670E1.1090304@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1100382652.6916.23.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 21:38, Les Mikesell wrote: > That's perfect for new installs because you also always have a DHCP > server even if you start > with nothing else on the network. A laptop set up to demo k12ltsp > would be good also. And an convincing demo - run 4-5 client off a 1GHz via processor with 512Mb, just imagine what you can get I you buy a monster-server ;-) > There is no setup other than putting the *.iso images under a directory > that is exported via NFS. > The installer takes care of the magic needed to mount them. Thank you very much. I've just installed an extra HDD on the PC for ISOs to install ;-) -- Henning Wangerin From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Sun Nov 14 00:29:05 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:29:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Squidguard error from Cron? In-Reply-To: <20041113200404.CCBB172F82@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hello, I'm getting this error emailed to root from the cron job relating to updating squidguard_blacklists - what does it mean? Subject: Cron /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far) rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(150) Thanks, Joseph From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Nov 14 00:44:34 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:44:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Squidguard error from Cron? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: > Hello, > > I'm getting this error emailed to root from the cron job relating to > updating squidguard_blacklists - what does it mean? > > Subject: Cron /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists > rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far) > rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(150) xinetd hung. I've never seen that before... All should be well once again. Thanks for the heads up! -Eric From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Sun Nov 14 01:48:01 2004 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:48:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading from 4.2.0Alpha... In-Reply-To: <20041108170038.6164A73EDC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041108170038.6164A73EDC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4196B951.4040909@law.uvic.ca> I was wondering how difficult or easy it would be to upgrade to the final release of 4.2.0 if I install 4.2.0beta today on a server? This is not on a truly production computer (my home gateway machine) although my wife thinks of it as a production machine. Thanks in advance. Rich McCue > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Nov 14 03:13:20 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:13:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading from 4.2.0Alpha... In-Reply-To: <4196B951.4040909@law.uvic.ca> References: <20041108170038.6164A73EDC@hormel.redhat.com> <4196B951.4040909@law.uvic.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Rich McCue wrote: > I was wondering how difficult or easy it would be to upgrade to the final > release of 4.2.0 if I install 4.2.0beta today on a server? This is not on a > truly production computer (my home gateway machine) although my wife thinks of > it as a production machine. > > Thanks in advance. > > Rich McCue It *should* be easy. On the other-hand it is not finished yet, so I won't guarrantee it... ;-) -Eric From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Sun Nov 14 03:21:50 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:21:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading from 4.2.0Alpha... In-Reply-To: References: <20041108170038.6164A73EDC@hormel.redhat.com> <4196B951.4040909@law.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <1100402510.3740.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 19:13 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Rich McCue wrote: > > > I was wondering how difficult or easy it would be to upgrade to the final > > release of 4.2.0 if I install 4.2.0beta today on a server? This is not on a > > truly production computer (my home gateway machine) although my wife thinks of > > it as a production machine. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Rich McCue > > It *should* be easy. On the other-hand it is not finished yet, so I won't > guarrantee it... ;-) > > -Eric > I always test out releases on our home network first. Even thought my wife thinks of our server as a "production" machine as well. She usually finds lots of things in areas that I never go. On that note I am using the alpha of ltsp and I am really liking it so far. I really like the new evolution -- Jack From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Sun Nov 14 03:39:44 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:39:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Quit Windows, benefits of Mac OS X and Mepis Linux Message-ID: <3480.192.168.0.193.1100403584.squirrel@192.168.0.193> http://www.datafly.net/en/articles/quitwindows.php From robark at telus.net Sun Nov 14 04:54:19 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:54:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Teachertool on 3.1.2 ? Message-ID: <4196E4FB.1020408@telus.net> Can I install teachertool #rpm -ivh teachertool-0.0.1-k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch.rpm on 3.1.2 (RH9)? ( I got it from the 4.0.1 repository ) Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary School From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Sun Nov 14 08:14:54 2004 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:14:54 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless_ltsp on hard disk...howto? Message-ID: <419713FE.1040708@edu.vantaa.fi> Hi, having a few laptops without fd, howto put the wireless_ltsp image on harddisk? Is it possible to have a bootmanager (to keep local linux on the hard drive)? Mikko Jordman Finland From andyr at wizzy.com Sun Nov 14 10:30:16 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:30:16 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] New menus - Reduced application collection Message-ID: <20041114103016.GA6633@wizzy.com> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/New%20menus%20-%20Reduced%20application%20collection I would like to drive a process to create a reduced set of applications for a K12 teaching environment, selected for Thin-Client friendliness, coverage of subject area, and application quality. I would dearly like to have One good application for each task - i.e. we must choose between Thunderbird and Evolution. Feel free to add both, but add comments as to why it should be included (or not). The first thing to specify is categories. I have a set below, but I welcome any changes. I am picking gnome over kde apps - we need one flavour ? I encourage people to use the Wiki (linked above) rather than the mailing list, but if you think the mailing list is more appropriate .. Should Categories be ordered/flagged by Grade ? Cheers, Andy! Local computer navigation o Nautilus - file browser o Run arbitrary program - Window manager specific o gnome-terminal - Terminal program o MToolsFM - Floppy administration on clients o ktuberling - how to use a mouse o vncviewer - remote desktop viewer * Internet o Firefox o Thunderbird o Bluefish - HTML composer * Office o ooimpress - OO impress - presentations o oowriter - OO Writer - Word processor o oodraw - OO Draw o oocalc - OO spreadsheet o Gnumeric (remove - duplication with OO ?) o Abiword (remove - duplication within OO ?) o gedit - Notepad o xpdf - PDF Viewer o scribus - Desktop Publisher o gnucash - Personal Finance Manager * Games - cannot do without these .. * Graphics o Tuxpaint (remove - too network intensive) o The Gimp (remove - too complicated ?) o Sodipodi - drawing program o gthumb - image viewer * Multimedia * Utilities o xcalc - calculator o gperiodic - Periodic Table o gonvert - Units converter From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Nov 14 13:00:43 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:00:43 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp.schema Message-ID: <200411141217.iAECHcL18283@downeast.net> who has a copy of ltsp.schema i could have??chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From paul.ive at rch.org.au Sun Nov 14 23:17:48 2004 From: paul.ive at rch.org.au (Paul Ive) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:17:48 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Up to date Australian Mirror site Message-ID: <002501c4caa0$27f59300$8f6510ac@rch.unimelb.edu.au> Does any other Aussie on this list know of a local mirror site with version 4.x. Planet Mirror is still only 3.1 and downloading K12LTSP from outside OZ is VERY slow! many thanks! Paul Ive ICT Systems Analyst RCH Education Institute Royal Children's Hospital, Flemington Road, Parkville VIC 3052, AUSTRALIA phone: +61 3 9322 5123 fax: +61 3 9328 4433 www.rch.org.au/edinst From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 15 04:22:45 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:22:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I still have several major packages to add/update, but I made significant > progress in completing K12LTSP 4.2.0 today. I'm still not "done", but I'm close enough that I could ship what I have and not have to wear a bag over my head ;-) On my TODO list: 1. Upgrade/enhance teachertool 2. Default printer based on location 3. port the scripts from http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/ 4. Full DansGuardian integration If you are familiar/maintain one-of-the-above, please drop me an email. I'm going to get as much of this done as possible this week, whatever I don't get done I'm just going to drop for this release. So the more help I have the better ;-) I have decided not to include NX support within the default install. It simply is not fully baked yet, and since it is easy to add on post-install I don't want to hold up a release for it. If you want to test NX, the packages will be in the K12LTSP 4.2.0 repositories. You'll need the nx, freenx, and nx-ltsp packages. > If all continues to go well, I'll have a pre-release build > ready by Sunday. This is *close* to a pre-release. I am only halfway through the testing cycle, but so far everything is working fine. That said... > Standard disclaimer: this is not a finished product. Do not use in a > production environment, yadda, yadda, and so on and so forth. If you have a test environment, I'd love feedback on this build ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.0alpha/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . If you already have the K12LTSP 4.2.0alpha installed, the apt/up2date/yum repositories will have the latest-n-greated packages within the hour. -Eric From bill at computassist.com Mon Nov 15 04:47:09 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:47:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1100200963.32470.218.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> <20041111122436.71609d0d@heaven> <1100200963.32470.218.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20041114224709.6c1b7e48@heaven> We had the demo Friday night. One lesson learned - I assumed too much about the teacher's present understanding of Linux and Open Source. She had been using it previously in the lab, so I thought she already understood Open Source concepts. Once I realized she needed more of a foundation in this area, we made good progress. She was amazed to learn that all this very good quality software was truly libre/gratis, that Linux had improved so much in three years, that there was so much software directly usable in a school teaching environment. She was overjoyed to hear that she would have just one system to maintain, and that the students would once again have control of their own environment, and ONLY their own. (Windows 2000 with roaming profiles on a Samba server had given us problems, so we eventually turned off roaming profiles.) So, the demo was a success! We got the OK to go ahead. Both the teacher and I will be searching for a used dual Pentium/Xeon server to install K12LTSP on, and hope to switch the lab over Christmas break. I will also install a workstation version on a spare computer for her now, so that she can learn the admin tools and eval various software packages for the students' desktops. My thanks to everyone on the list. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From adammelancon at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 05:00:01 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:00:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4892876104111421004f287842@mail.gmail.com> Don't forget that in 4.1 squidguard was left off of the "web server" software menu in the install. After installing 4.1, I have to use the "yum install squidguard" command to get squidguard installed. Thanks! On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:22:45 -0800 (PST), Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > I still have several major packages to add/update, but I made significant > > progress in completing K12LTSP 4.2.0 today. > > I'm still not "done", but I'm close enough that I could ship what I have > and not have to wear a bag over my head ;-) > > On my TODO list: > > 1. Upgrade/enhance teachertool > 2. Default printer based on location > 3. port the scripts from http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/ > 4. Full DansGuardian integration > > If you are familiar/maintain one-of-the-above, please drop me an email. > I'm going to get as much of this done as possible this week, whatever > I don't get done I'm just going to drop for this release. So the more > help I have the better ;-) > > I have decided not to include NX support within the default install. > It simply is not fully baked yet, and since it is easy to add on > post-install I don't want to hold up a release for it. > > If you want to test NX, the packages will be in the K12LTSP 4.2.0 > repositories. You'll need the nx, freenx, and nx-ltsp packages. > > > If all continues to go well, I'll have a pre-release build > > ready by Sunday. > > This is *close* to a pre-release. I am only halfway through the > testing cycle, but so far everything is working fine. That said... > > > Standard disclaimer: this is not a finished product. Do not use in a > > production environment, yadda, yadda, and so on and so forth. > > If you have a test environment, I'd love feedback on this build > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.0alpha/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . > > If you already have the K12LTSP 4.2.0alpha installed, the apt/up2date/yum > repositories will have the latest-n-greated packages within the > hour. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From ddaniels at magic.fr Mon Nov 15 05:09:45 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:09:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta build In-Reply-To: <4892876104111421004f287842@mail.gmail.com> References: <4892876104111421004f287842@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41983A19.2010908@magic.fr> As well, diction and style were left out of 4.1. XPDF for converting pdf to text was also missing...both of which are invaluable for the teachers who expect students to write on a daily basis :) dgd Adam Melancon wrote: > Don't forget that in 4.1 squidguard was left off of the "web server" > software menu in the install. > > After installing 4.1, I have to use the "yum install squidguard" > command to get squidguard installed. > > Thanks! > > On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:22:45 -0800 (PST), Eric Harrison > wrote: > >>On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >>>I still have several major packages to add/update, but I made significant >>>progress in completing K12LTSP 4.2.0 today. >> >>I'm still not "done", but I'm close enough that I could ship what I have >>and not have to wear a bag over my head ;-) >> >>On my TODO list: >> >> 1. Upgrade/enhance teachertool >> 2. Default printer based on location >> 3. port the scripts from http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/ >> 4. Full DansGuardian integration >> >>If you are familiar/maintain one-of-the-above, please drop me an email. >>I'm going to get as much of this done as possible this week, whatever >>I don't get done I'm just going to drop for this release. So the more >>help I have the better ;-) >> >>I have decided not to include NX support within the default install. >>It simply is not fully baked yet, and since it is easy to add on >>post-install I don't want to hold up a release for it. >> >>If you want to test NX, the packages will be in the K12LTSP 4.2.0 >>repositories. You'll need the nx, freenx, and nx-ltsp packages. >> >> >>>If all continues to go well, I'll have a pre-release build >>>ready by Sunday. >> >>This is *close* to a pre-release. I am only halfway through the >>testing cycle, but so far everything is working fine. That said... >> >> >>>Standard disclaimer: this is not a finished product. Do not use in a >>>production environment, yadda, yadda, and so on and so forth. >> >>If you have a test environment, I'd love feedback on this build >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.0alpha/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . >> >>If you already have the K12LTSP 4.2.0alpha installed, the apt/up2date/yum >>repositories will have the latest-n-greated packages within the >>hour. >> >>-Eric >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Nov 15 14:32:47 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:32:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A16@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frank Samuelson >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 5:45 PM >> >> Only 1 problem. How do I get my sent mail folder to sort >> by recipient rather than sender (me,me,me,me), >> unlike every other folder? $T -- Henry From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 15 14:36:03 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:36:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox 1 In-Reply-To: <41957A2D.4070800@telus.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112143924.0267fe98@pop.easystreet.com> <41957A2D.4070800@telus.net> Message-ID: <4198BED3.9060507@maltzen.net> Just for fun, I went to the archive via https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn and did a search for 'firefox'; it came back with 0 results. Then I just looked at the November archive, looked for Robert's name and found, among others, his message titled "Re: [K12OSN] Can't launch Firefox". I knew it was there; this was just to prove the point. Why isn't the search function working? Is something broken at Red Hat's end? (It's not the first time I've tried to search the archives and failed even though I know, from memory, that there are relevant messages in there.) Petre Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Carl Keil wrote: > >> Has anyone upgraded to firefox 1 yet? >> Could it be that it's not in the repositories yet? >> I'm not finding an rpm for it, just this tar.gz thingy on their website. >> >> ck >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > Search this list in end of Oct and early Nov. I asked the same question > and got many replies and I posted my solution. > > Robert Arkiletian > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 15 15:11:57 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:11:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] $5,000 cluster server powers 120 clients? In-Reply-To: <4196532B.8040005@telus.net> References: <4196532B.8040005@telus.net> Message-ID: <4198C73D.8080808@maltzen.net> Depends on what you mean by 'cluster'. If you're talking about using OpenMosix to cluster them, then no, I don't think it's a good approach. We had some discussion of this a while back, and the problem is getting applications to migrate from one server to another as needed; in short, it doesn't work with things like Mozilla & OpenOffice. The approach that I think makes the most sense is to use one or two servers for just providing the KDE/Gnome/IceWM environment, and then dedicating the other servers to one or two applications, ultimately with one app per server. That way, pigs like OOo don't affect the performance of lighter faster apps. Also, to upgrade an app, you just get it going on a new server, once it's ready, you change the link on the users' menus/desktops, and there's no downtime. The proof-in-the-pudding for this approach is Largo, FL, where they use this exact approach. Doing so allows them to support 240 users with a couple of 900mhz terminal servers. They found they could get the per-user memory consumption down to about 13M and I think that was using KDE. (They don't use LTSP, preferring to roll their own terminal servers.) Also, with this approach, you spend money only on the apps that need a lot of resources, e.g. more memory for those apps that need it. It also scales up better because for each additional app that you add, you just add another server. But, if money is tight, and, say, you can only afford four app servers but you have 16 apps, you can put multiple apps on each server, for an average of 4 apps/server, and then next year get just one more server, move some apps to that new server (probably a newer version of the app in question), for an average of 3.2 apps/server and repeat in the years after that. In some cases those servers may not even need to be that big, depending on the apps. Petre Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > I think this idea is worth looking at: > > Why not make a MONSTER LTSP server with say a 6 node cluster of AMD > Sempron 3100+'s. They have built in memory controller so RAM latency is > low. They are 754 pin cpu and most of these MB come with Gigabit lan and > SATA built in. Here is the specs for each node: > > CPU AMD Sempron 3100+ (32bit cpu) $150 > MB ASUS K8V-X VIA K8T800 (or nforce3 chipset) Gigabit LAN, SATA $120 > Ram 2 sticks of 1024MB= 2GB DDR400 $220 > HD 1 Seagate SATA 120GB $120 > case with quality 400W PS $100 > > Total cost of 1 node approx. $700 > Cluster price approx. $4200 + Plus Switch for cluster: 8 port gigabit > switch $200 = $4400 total > (approx. same price as a dual Xeon 2.8Ghz with 4Gb of RAM) > > But this 6 node cluster would be at least 10x more powerful. > 720 GB disk storage > 12 GB RAM > Could serve 120 clients == 4 labs > > What do you guys think? > > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Nov 15 16:24:56 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:24:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New menus - Reduced application collection In-Reply-To: <20041114103016.GA6633@wizzy.com> References: <20041114103016.GA6633@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <4198D858.3040303@paasda.org> While I like your list for the most part...We do without games very well indeed =) Productive computer usage up at LEAST 25%, playing gnibbles/freeciv last year caused ~50% of machines to be used for gaming at any given time. Some still waste away time with tux paint... And the only other problem I had was negating The Gimp because of 'complexity'... It is no more complex than Photoshop(maybe even less so)...I've come to learn that 'complexity' usually means 'lack of experience in usage' in relation to computer applications...Abiword is a NON-complex word processing app, OOWriter is MUCH more complex..but we don't throw it out because of it's complexity do we? Just my 2 cents worth =) Personally I think it should just be MUCH MUCH easier to edit a default menu and enforce that menu among users. D. Trask, using IceWM, touts some app for editing that WM's menus, but I've not had the time to check it out yet. --Huck Andy Rabagliati wrote: >http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/New%20menus%20-%20Reduced%20application%20collection > >I would like to drive a process to create a reduced set of applications >for a K12 teaching environment, selected for Thin-Client friendliness, >coverage of subject area, and application quality. I would dearly like >to have One good application for each task - i.e. we must choose between >Thunderbird and Evolution. Feel free to add both, but add comments >as to why it should be included (or not). > >The first thing to specify is categories. I have a set below, but I >welcome any changes. I am picking gnome over kde apps - we need one >flavour ? I encourage people to use the Wiki (linked above) rather >than the mailing list, but if you think the mailing list is more >appropriate .. > >Should Categories be ordered/flagged by Grade ? > >Cheers, Andy! > > Local computer navigation > o Nautilus - file browser > o Run arbitrary program - Window manager specific > o gnome-terminal - Terminal program > o MToolsFM - Floppy administration on clients > o ktuberling - how to use a mouse > o vncviewer - remote desktop viewer > * > > Internet > o Firefox > o Thunderbird > o Bluefish - HTML composer > * > > Office > o ooimpress - OO impress - presentations > o oowriter - OO Writer - Word processor > o oodraw - OO Draw > o oocalc - OO spreadsheet > o Gnumeric (remove - duplication with OO ?) > o Abiword (remove - duplication within OO ?) > o gedit - Notepad > o xpdf - PDF Viewer > o scribus - Desktop Publisher > o gnucash - Personal Finance Manager > * > > Games - cannot do without these .. > * > > Graphics > o Tuxpaint (remove - too network intensive) > o The Gimp (remove - too complicated ?) > o Sodipodi - drawing program > o gthumb - image viewer > * > > Multimedia > * > > Utilities > o xcalc - calculator > o gperiodic - Periodic Table > o gonvert - Units converter > From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 16:52:52 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:52:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] File Server Problem Message-ID: <20041115165252.36219.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> I have made the changes and I can't get my thin client to connect. This is what it shows: Searching for server (DHCP) Me: 10.188.5.189, Server: 10.188.4.12, Gateway 10.188.4.1 Loading 10.188.4.12/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.18-ltsp-1 .TFTP error 1 (File not found) Unable to load file. sleep Any suggestions? Thank you for your help. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Nov 15 18:10:19 2004 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:10:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows XP SP2 Login Script issue Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F58@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> I've got an Active Directory Domain which handles my authentication and user information to both my Windows XP/2k/98 and Linux servers (LDAP/kerberos, no winbind). In the process of rebuilding a few XP systems, the user login scripts are not executing. Common thread I've noticed is SP2. Anyone had experience or suggestions with this one? Thanks! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Nov 15 18:35:24 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:35:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] xset question Message-ID: <4198F6EC.80604@inlandlakes.org> Is there a place to place an `xset s off` or `xset s noblank` command for terminals? Would that stop the blanking of screens for me? (ie, they blank out after 5 minutes idle, and one of them is what we scroll our daily bulletin openoffice presentation with, so we need it on all day without user interaction.) Also, my teachers complain, because USB mice are not seen as "action" and unless they type something, the screen blanks while they are using it. (I think while they are playing Mahjongg with only a mouse!) Anyone else have this problem? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Nov 15 18:48:02 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:48:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] xset question In-Reply-To: <4198F6EC.80604@inlandlakes.org> References: <4198F6EC.80604@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4198F9E2.1020606@paasda.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > Is there a place to place an `xset s off` or `xset s noblank` command > for terminals? Would that stop the blanking of screens for me? (ie, > they blank out after 5 minutes idle, and one of them is what we scroll > our daily bulletin openoffice presentation with, so we need it on all > day without user interaction.) Also, my teachers complain, because > USB mice are not seen as "action" and unless they type something, the > screen blanks while they are using it. (I think while they are > playing Mahjongg with only a mouse!) > > Anyone else have this problem? > > -Shawn Simple solution (rm -rf mahjon*) =) j/k... can you not put the 'xset' command in the .profile for the specific user? --Huck From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Nov 15 18:44:31 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:44:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] xset question In-Reply-To: <4198F9E2.1020606@paasda.org> References: <4198F6EC.80604@inlandlakes.org> <4198F9E2.1020606@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4198F90F.1020705@inlandlakes.org> Huck wrote: > can you not put the 'xset' command in the .profile for the specific user? The problem is that I believe it needs to be executed on the actual thin client, and a user doesn't really log into the thin client itself. (ie, the Xserver loads locally, and then connects to the LTSP server -- but the blanking occurs locally) Does that make sense? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From nbs at sonic.net Mon Nov 15 18:46:37 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:46:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20041114224709.6c1b7e48@heaven> References: <20041110215124.19aa2152@heaven> <20041111122436.71609d0d@heaven> <1100200963.32470.218.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20041114224709.6c1b7e48@heaven> Message-ID: <20041115184637.GB3758@sonic.net> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 10:47:09PM -0600, Bill Bardon wrote: > So, the demo was a success! We got the OK to go ahead. Congrats!!! -bill! From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Mon Nov 15 18:47:00 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:47:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows XP SP2 Login Script issue In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F58@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F58@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: <4198F9A4.6020801@myrealbox.com> Hi Henry, What are you seeing happen or is it just that the login script isn't running? I have a number of XP SP 2 machines in AD (2003 servers) and the login scripts run fine. KJ Burroughs, Henry wrote: >I've got an Active Directory Domain which handles my authentication and user information to both my Windows XP/2k/98 and Linux servers (LDAP/kerberos, no winbind). In the process of rebuilding a few XP systems, the user login scripts are not executing. Common thread I've noticed is SP2. Anyone had experience or suggestions with this one? Thanks! > >Henry Burroughs >Technology Director >Hilton Head Preparatory School >www.hhprep.org > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Nov 15 19:00:52 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:00:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] xset question In-Reply-To: <4198F90F.1020705@inlandlakes.org> References: <4198F6EC.80604@inlandlakes.org> <4198F9E2.1020606@paasda.org> <4198F90F.1020705@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4198FCE4.9090802@paasda.org> did you 'man xset'... xset [-display display] [s blank/noblank] [[+-]dpms] -dpms The -dpms option disables DPMS (Energy Star) features. so could you not with the aid of a script...(I'm not a script writer but I'm okay at pseudo-code =) foreach display xset display -dpms s noblank or something sorta like that? on my network it'd be something like: xset ws215.ltsp:0.0 -dpms s noblank --Huck Shawn Powers wrote: > Huck wrote: > >> can you not put the 'xset' command in the .profile for the specific >> user? > > > The problem is that I believe it needs to be executed on the actual > thin client, and a user doesn't really log into the thin client > itself. (ie, the Xserver loads locally, and then connects to the LTSP > server -- but the blanking occurs locally) > > Does that make sense? > > -Shawn > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Nov 15 18:53:24 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:53:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Folders Message-ID: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> Does anyone offer shared folders to staff/students? If so, how do you manage permissions so that everyone can read/write to the files? Is there a way to make a UMASK for a specific folder? For a shared folder to work right, it would have to have a UMASK of 0666, correct? I am not sure how to handle that with sticky bits, etc... My current kludge is to have a cron job on my nfs server that runs "chmod -R 666 /share" every minute. Not pretty, and not immediate. Thanks again for any insight, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Nov 15 18:56:51 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:56:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] xset question In-Reply-To: <4198FCE4.9090802@paasda.org> References: <4198F6EC.80604@inlandlakes.org> <4198F9E2.1020606@paasda.org> <4198F90F.1020705@inlandlakes.org> <4198FCE4.9090802@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4198FBF3.9040008@inlandlakes.org> Huck wrote: > xset ws215.ltsp:0.0 -dpms s noblank Hmm.. perhaps "xset $DISPLAY s noblank" would do the trick... I was also thinking about making another rc script called /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/noblank and calling it via RCFILE_04 = noblank Does anyone see a system-crashing-potential problem with either way? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 15 20:03:34 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:03:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Folders In-Reply-To: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> References: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <41990B96.4000707@maltzen.net> No, you don't want the umask to be 666, especially for a shared folder. umask indicates what rights are stripped away, so 666 would remove everyone's rights, even the owner's. Umask is usually set to 022 or 002. In your case, you want it to be 002. This means no rights will be stripped away for user and group, but write permissions will be for other. As to a shared folder, arrange for all the staff and students who have to share files to be in the same group; then set that group to be the group for the shared directory. Then, set the sticky bit for the group for that directory. What that will do is assign the group of the directory to any files created in that directory, rather than the group of the user who created the file. So, do this: mkdir /shared chmod 775 /shared chgrp group1 /shared chmod g+s /shared And then add the relevant staff and students to the group1 group. When those users create files in /shared, they group for those files will always be group1, even if that isn't the primary group for the person who creates the file. But make sure the umask is set to 002; if it's 022, other members of the group1 group won't be able to write to the files. Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > Does anyone offer shared folders to staff/students? If so, how do you > manage permissions so that everyone can read/write to the files? Is > there a way to make a UMASK for a specific folder? For a shared folder > to work right, it would have to have a UMASK of 0666, correct? I am not > sure how to handle that with sticky bits, etc... > > My current kludge is to have a cron job on my nfs server that runs > "chmod -R 666 /share" every minute. Not pretty, and not immediate. > > Thanks again for any insight, > -Shawn From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Nov 15 20:05:27 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:05:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Folders In-Reply-To: <41990B96.4000707@maltzen.net> References: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> <41990B96.4000707@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <41990C07.3070608@inlandlakes.org> Petre Scheie wrote: > umask indicates what rights are stripped away, so 666 would remove > everyone's rights, even the owner's. Umask is usually set to 022 or > 002. My mistake -- I've never actually used umask, but that makes perfect sense. > who creates the file. But make sure the umask is set to 002; if it's > 022, other members of the group1 group won't be able to write to the files. This actually was my problem -- how do I set the umask for a specific folder, or is it system wide? Also, where do I set the umask so that all users get 022? Does it matter what their login shell is? (My users are all bash users I think) Needless to say, I'm not a umask expert. :) Thanks agian, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Mon Nov 15 20:09:18 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:09:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Folders In-Reply-To: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> References: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <41990CEE.2030803@criticalcontrol.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > Does anyone offer shared folders to staff/students? If so, how do you > manage permissions so that everyone can read/write to the files? Is > there a way to make a UMASK for a specific folder? For a shared > folder to work right, it would have to have a UMASK of 0666, correct? > I am not sure how to handle that with sticky bits, etc... > > My current kludge is to have a cron job on my nfs server that runs > "chmod -R 666 /share" every minute. Not pretty, and not immediate. > > Thanks again for any insight, > -Shawn The trick is to have one group that everybody is member of. Example group "users" Some have "users" as there primary group some don't but that doesn't matter. The trick is to make that common group (users) as the owner of the shared directory (/data) chgrp users /data I assume drwxr-xr-x is the current permission set. make the directory rw for everybody in group users chmod g+w Now without setting the SGID bit. User that have 'users' as their default group can read and write to the /data dir without problems However users that belong to the users group but have another primary group will mess up things there files will be owned by them and their default group... So you want the default group directory... chmod g+s /data Now to ensure that only the people that created a certain file can delete that file you need the sticky bit on the /data directory (same as /tmp) chmod +t /data And you can delete your cron job :-) Peter -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh Linux System Administrator (& advocate) CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Mon Nov 15 20:09:37 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:09:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] *INEXPENSIVE* mobo/cpu options? Message-ID: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> i've got to purchase some motherboards to replace some units in a Windows lab... however, i'm planning on eventually using these boxes in a K12LTSP lab as clients... they don't have to be "screaming machines". 700 - 1000 Mhz is fine. so, does anyone know of some good motherboard / cpu combos that are fairly inexpensive and will work great with LTSP? bear in mind that i may just buy refurbished IBM NetVista's online: ... http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1027007&sku=J156-2040 -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Nov 15 20:22:23 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:22:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Folders In-Reply-To: <41990CEE.2030803@criticalcontrol.com> References: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> <41990CEE.2030803@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <41990FFF.20401@paasda.org> Pete wrote: > chgrp users /data > I assume drwxr-xr-x is the current permission set. > > make the directory rw for everybody in group users > > chmod g+w > > Now without setting the SGID bit. User that have 'users' as their > default group can read and write to the /data dir without problems > However users that belong to the users group but have another primary > group will mess up things > there files will be owned by them and their default group... > > So you want the default group directory... > chmod g+s /data > > Now to ensure that only the people that created a certain file can > delete that file you need the sticky bit on the /data directory > (same as /tmp) > chmod +t /data > > And you can delete your cron job :-) > > Peter Peter, This allows for rw permissions for everyone of 'users'...and only the creator can delete their creations, how to restrict it so that no one BUT the creator(and a teacher) can view/edit their creation? so in /data when Jimmy saves his final exam, Jane can not open it read-only or overwrite it with a file of the same name? --Huck From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Nov 15 20:23:32 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:23:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows XP SP2 Login Script issue In-Reply-To: <20041115200750.DA15973BC3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041115200750.DA15973BC3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100550212.13631.2.camel@phoenix.media.local> > From: KJ > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windows XP SP2 Login Script issue > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:47:00 -0500 > > Hi Henry, > What are you seeing happen or is it just that the login script isn't > running? > I have a number of XP SP 2 machines in AD (2003 servers) and the login > scripts run fine. > > KJ > > Burroughs, Henry wrote: > > >I've got an Active Directory Domain which handles my authentication and user information to both my Windows XP/2k/98 and Linux servers (LDAP/kerberos, no winbind). In the process of rebuilding a few XP systems, the user login scripts are not executing. Common thread I've noticed is SP2. Anyone had experience or suggestions with this one? Thanks! > > > >Henry Burroughs > >Technology Director > >Hilton Head Preparatory School > >www.hhprep.org > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > KJ, This has only happened on newly formated machines. It is like the local profile remembers the settings for mapped drives, but still doesn't execute the login script. So for a fresh system, the login script isn't running at all. I don't have roaming profiles implemented at the moment either. I have migrated to using Kixtart, however my other XP and 2k machines work fine w/ it. Henry From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 15 20:29:19 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:29:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Folders In-Reply-To: <41990C07.3070608@inlandlakes.org> References: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> <41990B96.4000707@maltzen.net> <41990C07.3070608@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4199119F.5090407@maltzen.net> I think the default umask is set in /etc/bashrc with this code: if [ "`id -gn`" = "`id -un`" -a `id -u` -gt 99 ]; then umask 002 else umask 022 fi This, from my RH8 box, sets the umask to 002 for most users (it says "If your user ID name and group name are the same and UID is greater than 99, make the mask 002, as you're probably just a mortal user; otherwise, set the umask to 022), while root gets a mask of 022, which is a good thing. Just type 'umask' at a prompt to see what your umask is set to. My guess is you won't have to modify it. Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> umask indicates what rights are stripped away, so 666 would remove >> everyone's rights, even the owner's. Umask is usually set to 022 or 002. > > > My mistake -- I've never actually used umask, but that makes perfect sense. > >> who creates the file. But make sure the umask is set to 002; if it's >> 022, other members of the group1 group won't be able to write to the >> files. > > > This actually was my problem -- how do I set the umask for a specific > folder, or is it system wide? Also, where do I set the umask so that > all users get 022? Does it matter what their login shell is? (My users > are all bash users I think) > > Needless to say, I'm not a umask expert. :) > > Thanks agian, > -Shawn > From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Mon Nov 15 20:42:45 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:42:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Folders In-Reply-To: <41990FFF.20401@paasda.org> References: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> <41990CEE.2030803@criticalcontrol.com> <41990FFF.20401@paasda.org> Message-ID: <419914C5.1010009@criticalcontrol.com> > Peter, > > This allows for rw permissions for everyone of 'users'...and only the > creator can delete their creations, how to restrict it so that no one > BUT the creator(and a teacher) can view/edit their creation? > so in /data when Jimmy saves his final exam, Jane can not open it > read-only or overwrite it with a file of the same name? > > --Huck You need Novell's NDS man :-) I don't see a 100% good solution for this within one directory. (Can't you make an examdir in every students /home?) However for the immutable status you gonna need a cronjob... Lets give it a try (Thinking and typing e-mail at the same time): As root Lets make a directory /examdata The group of the directory is 'teachers' chgrp teachers /examdata The owner of the dir /examdata is root Setting the rwx stuff. chmod 773 /examdata Now set the bits chmod g+s /test This ensures the 'teachers' as being the group owner of a given file. chmod o+t /test (This ensures that the file cannot be delete by anybody but the original creator + root) As a student I can now cd into /examdata but a ls -l etc is forbidden however I am in that dir and I can do a touch file1 So I can write a file into it. Now you gonna need a cronjob (unless somebody knows a better way) to make the file under /examdata immutable so every minute run: chattr -R +i /examdata/* See man chattr (Change attributes) This only works on a ext2 or ext3 filesystem! Clear as mud? Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh Linux System Administrator (& advocate) CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Mon Nov 15 21:08:36 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:08:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NDS (was: Shared Folders) In-Reply-To: <419914C5.1010009@criticalcontrol.com> References: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> <41990CEE.2030803@criticalcontrol.com> <41990FFF.20401@paasda.org> <419914C5.1010009@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <41991AD4.40902@criticalcontrol.com> Pete wrote: > > You need Novell's NDS man :-) On that same topic I heard that Novell is gonna port there file-system to Linux and GPL it... This would happen end 2005 due to legal stuff (Non Novell code in original source etc) Anybody else heard this 'rumor' IMHO this will KILL all other file-servers in the market... Pete From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 15 21:11:35 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:11:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Folders In-Reply-To: <41990FFF.20401@paasda.org> References: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> <41990CEE.2030803@criticalcontrol.com> <41990FFF.20401@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41991B87.4030403@maltzen.net> Huck wrote: > Pete wrote: > >> chgrp users /data >> I assume drwxr-xr-x is the current permission set. >> >> make the directory rw for everybody in group users >> >> chmod g+w >> >> Now without setting the SGID bit. User that have 'users' as their >> default group can read and write to the /data dir without problems >> However users that belong to the users group but have another primary >> group will mess up things >> there files will be owned by them and their default group... >> >> So you want the default group directory... >> chmod g+s /data >> >> Now to ensure that only the people that created a certain file can >> delete that file you need the sticky bit on the /data directory >> (same as /tmp) >> chmod +t /data >> >> And you can delete your cron job :-) >> >> Peter > > > > Peter, > > This allows for rw permissions for everyone of 'users'...and only the > creator can delete their creations, how to restrict it so that no one > BUT the creator(and a teacher) can view/edit their creation? > so in /data when Jimmy saves his final exam, Jane can not open it > read-only or overwrite it with a file of the same name? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Set the umask to 006, which will strip all rights for others; and then put the teacher's ID into each student's default group, which is the same name as the student's ID. When Jimmy creates a file in /data, only the user jimmy and anyone in the jimmy group will be able to read/write the file, and since the teacher has been placed in the jimmy group, the teacher can read/write the file. Petre From scott at hosef.org Mon Nov 15 21:12:35 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:12:35 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Folders In-Reply-To: <419914C5.1010009@criticalcontrol.com> References: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> <41990FFF.20401@paasda.org> <419914C5.1010009@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <200411151112.35276.scott@hosef.org> On Monday 15 November 2004 10:42 am, Pete wrote: > > Peter, > > > > This allows for rw permissions for everyone of 'users'...and only the > > creator can delete their creations, how to restrict it so that no one > > BUT the creator(and a teacher) can view/edit their creation? > > so in /data when Jimmy saves his final exam, Jane can not open it > > read-only or overwrite it with a file of the same name? > > > > --Huck The following link may be of value. Some of our craftier volunteers have put together some scripts, and one of our DOE's teachers, Peter, put these Wiki instructions together http://www.hosef.org/wiki/StartYear Designed to work with a .csv export from the existing DOE database, these scripts put links to student directories in their teacher's appropriate class folders. --scott From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Nov 15 21:15:20 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:15:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] sound and video on Amer TC500 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041115130509.024e1bd0@pop.easystreet.com> Hi, I just bought a TC500 from Amer.com (as per here: http://k12ltsp.org/terminal_guide.html). I have two configuration questions that I wonder if someone on the list can answer since I haven't gotten a response to my email to them. I'm running K12LTSP 4.1 on the server. 1) What do I have to set where to get audio working? I'm a little at sea with the BIOS, dhcp.conf, lts.conf possibilities and all the "Sound Server/Mixer/device" options in Linux. 2) Does anyone have any idea what settings to use in lts.conf to get video to work out of the S-video output of this thing? Thin client -> TV would be awesome. Should I forget about this? I've never had much luck getting RedHat GUI to work on less than 800x600 screen resolution. Thanks, ck From scott at hosef.org Mon Nov 15 21:17:39 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:17:39 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Eprom Burning Message-ID: <200411151117.39677.scott@hosef.org> After a lot of research and failure, one of our esteemed volunteers, JZ, has put this wiki describing how to burn eproms. There are a few links to places to buy them, and all the details needed to DIY. Note that you can burn certain 3com eproms on the nic itself without an additional burner. http://www.hosef.org/wiki/EpromBurning --scott From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Mon Nov 15 21:22:46 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:22:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid Message-ID: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> Hello all, I FINALLY have squid/squidguard working. If I enter 127.0.0.1 port 3128 as my proxy, everything works fine. The issue that I am having (the last before deployment, I think) is that I can't get iptables to route all traffic to port 3128. When I reinstalled K12 LTSP I made sure to initiate a firewall. Now I have entries in iptables for the RH-Firewall chain. When I enter: iptables - t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 nothing happens. I've tried flushing and re-entering the above statement, still nothing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! KJ From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Nov 15 21:24:39 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:24:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NDS (was: Shared Folders) In-Reply-To: <41991AD4.40902@criticalcontrol.com> References: <4198FB24.5020404@inlandlakes.org> <41990CEE.2030803@criticalcontrol.com> <41990FFF.20401@paasda.org> <419914C5.1010009@criticalcontrol.com> <41991AD4.40902@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <41991E97.6010209@netscape.net> pvdw at criticalcontrol.com wrote: > Pete wrote: > >> >> You need Novell's NDS man :-) > > > On that same topic I heard that Novell is gonna port there file-system > to Linux and GPL it... > This would happen end 2005 due to legal stuff (Non Novell code in > original source etc) > Anybody else heard this 'rumor' > > IMHO this will KILL all other file-servers in the market... > > Pete > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hi Actually Novell has ported their file servers, print servers & network servers to Suse Linux and is part of their strategy for "world domination" a.k.a enterprise services. SO for all you guys fighting the school boards, one in is that since all their backbone structures that were on Novell netware are ported to Suse they might as well implement K12LTSP & standardize on one OS instead of mixing with that inferior, costly, unreliable stuff from M$. :-D :-D norbert From adammelancon at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 21:27:40 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:27:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> Did you try flushing all of the tables first iptables -t nat -F iptables -F Then /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:22:46 -0500, KJ wrote: > Hello all, > I FINALLY have squid/squidguard working. If I enter 127.0.0.1 port 3128 > as my proxy, everything works fine. The issue that I am having (the > last before deployment, I think) is that I can't get iptables to route > all traffic to port 3128. > When I reinstalled K12 LTSP I made sure to initiate a firewall. Now I > have entries in iptables for the RH-Firewall chain. When I enter: > > iptables - t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT > --to-port 3128 > > nothing happens. I've tried flushing and re-entering the above > statement, still nothing. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks! > KJ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Mon Nov 15 21:31:02 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:31:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> Hi Adam, Yes I have tried that. I'm sorry I should have mentioned that. It makes no difference. BTW - your howto on the website was most helpful, thanks for your work! KJ Adam Melancon wrote: >Did you try flushing all of the tables first >iptables -t nat -F >iptables -F >Then >/sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j >REDIRECT --to-port 3128 > > >On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:22:46 -0500, KJ wrote: > > >>Hello all, >>I FINALLY have squid/squidguard working. If I enter 127.0.0.1 port 3128 >>as my proxy, everything works fine. The issue that I am having (the >>last before deployment, I think) is that I can't get iptables to route >>all traffic to port 3128. >>When I reinstalled K12 LTSP I made sure to initiate a firewall. Now I >>have entries in iptables for the RH-Firewall chain. When I enter: >> >>iptables - t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT >>--to-port 3128 >> >>nothing happens. I've tried flushing and re-entering the above >>statement, still nothing. >> >>Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>Thanks! >>KJ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Nov 15 23:00:27 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:00:27 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Eprom Burning Message-ID: <200411152217.iAFMHCZ07998@downeast.net> let me first recomend poms from diskless workstations as they directly support ltsp...that said...the people at mchoward electronice have been VEry helpful with eproms..chuck > After a lot of research and failure, one of our esteemed volunteers, JZ, has > put this wiki describing how to burn eproms. There are a few links to places > to buy them, and all the details needed to DIY. Note that you can burn > certain 3com eproms on the nic itself without an additional burner. > > > http://www.hosef.org/wiki/EpromBurning > > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 15 23:01:12 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:01:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100559672.4216.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 20:22 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > I still have several major packages to add/update, but I made significant > > progress in completing K12LTSP 4.2.0 today. > > I'm still not "done", but I'm close enough that I could ship what I have > and not have to wear a bag over my head ;-) > > On my TODO list: > > 1. Upgrade/enhance teachertool > 2. Default printer based on location > 3. port the scripts from http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/ > 4. Full DansGuardian integration > > If you are familiar/maintain one-of-the-above, please drop me an email. > I'm going to get as much of this done as possible this week, whatever > I don't get done I'm just going to drop for this release. So the more > help I have the better ;-) > > I have decided not to include NX support within the default install. > It simply is not fully baked yet, and since it is easy to add on > post-install I don't want to hold up a release for it. > > If you want to test NX, the packages will be in the K12LTSP 4.2.0 > repositories. You'll need the nx, freenx, and nx-ltsp packages. > > > > If all continues to go well, I'll have a pre-release build > > ready by Sunday. > > This is *close* to a pre-release. I am only halfway through the > testing cycle, but so far everything is working fine. That said... > > > Standard disclaimer: this is not a finished product. Do not use in a > > production environment, yadda, yadda, and so on and so forth. > > > If you have a test environment, I'd love feedback on this build > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.0alpha/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . > > If you already have the K12LTSP 4.2.0alpha installed, the apt/up2date/yum > repositories will have the latest-n-greated packages within the > hour. > > -Eric Eric, Here is my output from yum update: ---> Package db4.i386 0:4.3.21-1 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libdb_cxx-4.2.so for package: openoffice.org- libs --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: libdb_cxx-4.2.so for pkg openoffice.org-libs [root at tserver ~]# I installed the alpa last week as a clean installation not an upgrade if that matters. Jack -- Jack From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 16 00:09:12 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:09:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta build In-Reply-To: <1100559672.4216.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <1100559672.4216.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <1100563752.6056.145.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 18:01 -0500, Jack wrote: > Eric, > Here is my output from yum update: > > ---> Package db4.i386 0:4.3.21-1 set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libdb_cxx-4.2.so for package: openoffice.org- > libs > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: missing dep: libdb_cxx-4.2.so for pkg openoffice.org-libs > [root at tserver ~]# > > I installed the alpa last week as a clean installation not an upgrade if > that matters. db4 version 4.3.21-1 is in the Rawhide development repository. You must have that repository enabled in your yum configs... * check to make sure that there are no repositories defined in /etc/yum.conf (if there is, comment out all but the [k12ltsp] one, make sure that points to ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fc3) * edit /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo and set enabled=0 -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Nov 16 01:15:58 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:15:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *INEXPENSIVE* mobo/cpu options? In-Reply-To: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <419954CE.2040703@cmosnetworks.com> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > i've got to purchase some motherboards to replace some units in a > Windows lab... however, i'm planning on eventually using these boxes > in a K12LTSP lab as clients... > > they don't have to be "screaming machines". 700 - 1000 Mhz is fine. > > so, does anyone know of some good motherboard / cpu combos that are > fairly inexpensive and will work great with LTSP? bear in mind that i > may just buy refurbished IBM NetVista's online: ... > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1027007&sku=J156-2040 > > > The only concern I would have would be whether *all* of the hardware in those NetVistas plays nicely with the Linux kernel. For that kind of money, you might consider some of those $200 LindowsOS/Linspire boxes, which you *know* will be compatible with the Linux kernel...'cause they're of course already running GNU/Linux. You might check out http://www.pricewatch.com and look under the Linspire section. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Nov 16 01:19:24 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:19:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound and video on Amer TC500 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041115130509.024e1bd0@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041115130509.024e1bd0@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <4199559C.8030900@cmosnetworks.com> Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I just bought a TC500 from Amer.com (as per here: > http://k12ltsp.org/terminal_guide.html). I have two configuration > questions that I wonder if someone on the list can answer since I > haven't gotten a response to my email to them. I'm running K12LTSP > 4.1 on the server. > > 1) What do I have to set where to get audio working? I'm a little at > sea with the BIOS, dhcp.conf, lts.conf possibilities and all the > "Sound Server/Mixer/device" options in Linux. > > 2) Does anyone have any idea what settings to use in lts.conf to get > video to work out of the S-video output of this thing? Thin client -> > TV would be awesome. Should I forget about this? I've never had much > luck getting RedHat GUI to work on less than 800x600 screen resolution. > > Thanks, > > ck Carl, Give Mark Wilhelm at Amer.com a buzz. Just call their 1-800 number (I forget it, but I think it's on their WWW site), and ask for him; he can hook you up with the right support. He might not know the specific K12LTSP setting to tweak, but he can likely get folks on the like with you who can tell you which driver to use. Having met him, I know that he's hungry to do business with schools. Matter of fact, when they come out with their switch firmware that fully supports GVRP, they may well do business with mine. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Nov 16 01:26:25 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:26:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] File Server Problem In-Reply-To: <20041115165252.36219.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041115165252.36219.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41995741.1010004@cmosnetworks.com> Jennifer Waters wrote: >I have made the changes and I can't get my thin client >to connect. This is what it shows: > >Searching for server (DHCP) >Me: 10.188.5.189, Server: 10.188.4.12, Gateway >10.188.4.1 >Loading 10.188.4.12/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.18-ltsp-1 .TFTP >error 1 (File not found) >Unable to load file. >sleep > >Any suggestions? > >Thank you for your help. > >Jennifer > > 1.) Make sure that your DHCP scope and network mask is actually correct for your network. This is really important. 2.) Make sure that the file vmlinuz-2.4.18-ltsp-1 .TFTP is really there, and that it's really named that on your server in your /tftpboot/lts directory. The " .TFTP" concerns me. On my server, the file is named "vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1", with no " .TFTP" at the end of it, both in my DHCP server's config and in the server's /tftpboot/lts directory. Can you also take a look at your DHCP server config to make sure that the file names match in both places? If they do, you might consider getting rid of that " .TFTP" in both places anyway, since I don't know if spaces in filenames are TFTP-friendly anyway. They might be, but I've just not tried it. --TP From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Nov 16 01:28:16 2004 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:28:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows XP SP2 Login Script issue Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F5A@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Actually, it is a SP2 issue. I found a system that had been upgraded (not freshly built and SP2 installed), and the network drives map for people who had previously logged onto the system before upgrading. New users only had their home drives mapped... no login scripts are run. It seems to be doing it whether I run kix or not. Some setting in SP2 is preventing logon scripts from the domain controler to be run. Henry -----Original Message----- From: KJ [mailto:ksj2010 at myrealbox.com] Sent: Mon 11/15/2004 3:56 PM To: Burroughs, Henry Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windows XP SP2 Login Script issue Sorry Henry, I don't have any experience with KIX. KJ Henry Burroughs wrote: >>From: KJ >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windows XP SP2 Login Script issue >>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:47:00 -0500 >> >>Hi Henry, >>What are you seeing happen or is it just that the login script isn't >>running? >>I have a number of XP SP 2 machines in AD (2003 servers) and the login >>scripts run fine. >> >>KJ >> >>Burroughs, Henry wrote: >> >> >> >>>I've got an Active Directory Domain which handles my authentication and user information to both my Windows XP/2k/98 and Linux servers (LDAP/kerberos, no winbind). In the process of rebuilding a few XP systems, the user login scripts are not executing. Common thread I've noticed is SP2. Anyone had experience or suggestions with this one? Thanks! >>> >>>Henry Burroughs >>>Technology Director >>>Hilton Head Preparatory School >>>www.hhprep.org >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >KJ, > >This has only happened on newly formated machines. It is like the local >profile remembers the settings for mapped drives, but still doesn't >execute the login script. So for a fresh system, the login script isn't >running at all. I don't have roaming profiles implemented at the moment >either. I have migrated to using Kixtart, however my other XP and 2k >machines work fine w/ it. > >Henry > > > > From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 16 01:35:38 2004 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (Cory Cartwright) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:35:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and remove -i eth0 Cory On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 16:31, KJ wrote: > Hi Adam, > Yes I have tried that. I'm sorry I should have mentioned that. It > makes no difference. > BTW - your howto on the website was most helpful, thanks for your work! > KJ > > > Adam Melancon wrote: > > >Did you try flushing all of the tables first > >iptables -t nat -F > >iptables -F > >Then > >/sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j > >REDIRECT --to-port 3128 > > > > > >On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:22:46 -0500, KJ wrote: > > > > > >>Hello all, > >>I FINALLY have squid/squidguard working. If I enter 127.0.0.1 port 3128 > >>as my proxy, everything works fine. The issue that I am having (the > >>last before deployment, I think) is that I can't get iptables to route > >>all traffic to port 3128. > >>When I reinstalled K12 LTSP I made sure to initiate a firewall. Now I > >>have entries in iptables for the RH-Firewall chain. When I enter: > >> > >>iptables - t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT > >>--to-port 3128 > >> > >>nothing happens. I've tried flushing and re-entering the above > >>statement, still nothing. > >> > >>Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >>Thanks! > >>KJ > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From prentice at instruction.com Tue Nov 16 02:11:17 2004 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:11:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: File Server Problem Message-ID: <01c4cb81$8e87ca20$6500000a@Dave.HOME> This is really odd, because clients normally get addresses in the range 192.168.0.xxx and the K12LTSP server usually uses 192.168.0.254. What changes did you make? Are you sure you have the clients physically connected to eth1 instead of eth0? Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com http://www.originsresource.org >Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:52:52 -0800 (PST) >From: Jennifer Waters >Subject: [K12OSN] File Server Problem >To: k12osn at redhat.com >I have made the changes and I can't get my thin client >to connect. This is what it shows: >Searching for server (DHCP) >Me: 10.188.5.189, Server: 10.188.4.12, Gateway >10.188.4.1 >Loading 10.188.4.12/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.18-ltsp-1 .TFTP >error 1 (File not found) >Unable to load file. >sleep >Any suggestions? >Thank you for your help. >Jennifer From robark at telus.net Tue Nov 16 02:17:17 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:17:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox 1 In-Reply-To: <4198BED3.9060507@maltzen.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112143924.0267fe98@pop.easystreet.com> <41957A2D.4070800@telus.net> <4198BED3.9060507@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4199632D.3020308@telus.net> Petre, I also noticed this problem with searching k12osn. The way I do searches now is to click "extended" and manually select k12osn from all the lists redhat hosts. Then the search seems to work properly. Robert Arkiletian Petre Scheie wrote: > Just for fun, I went to the archive via > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn and did a search for > 'firefox'; it came back with 0 results. Then I just looked at the > November archive, looked for Robert's name and found, among others, > his message titled "Re: [K12OSN] Can't launch Firefox". I knew it was > there; this was just to prove the point. Why isn't the search > function working? Is something broken at Red Hat's end? > (It's not the first time I've tried to search the archives and failed > even though I know, from memory, that there are relevant messages in > there.) > > Petre > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> Carl Keil wrote: >> >>> Has anyone upgraded to firefox 1 yet? >>> Could it be that it's not in the repositories yet? >>> I'm not finding an rpm for it, just this tar.gz thingy on their >>> website. >>> >>> ck >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> Search this list in end of Oct and early Nov. I asked the same >> question and got many replies and I posted my solution. >> >> Robert Arkiletian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From robark at telus.net Tue Nov 16 02:56:33 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:56:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] $5,000 cluster server powers 120 clients? In-Reply-To: <4198C73D.8080808@maltzen.net> References: <4196532B.8040005@telus.net> <4198C73D.8080808@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <41996C61.8090506@telus.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > Depends on what you mean by 'cluster'. If you're talking about using > OpenMosix to cluster them, then no, I don't think it's a good > approach. We had some discussion of this a while back, and the > problem is getting applications to migrate from one server to another > as needed; in short, it doesn't work with things like Mozilla & > OpenOffice. > > The approach that I think makes the most sense is to use one or two > servers for just providing the KDE/Gnome/IceWM environment, and then > dedicating the other servers to one or two applications, ultimately > with one app per server. That way, pigs like OOo don't affect the > performance of lighter faster apps. Also, to upgrade an app, you just > get it going on a new server, once it's ready, you change the link on > the users' menus/desktops, and there's no downtime. > I thought a cluster would parallelise processess. After reading the faq for OpenMosix I see the problem. It's a High Availability cluster as opposed to a High Performance cluster. --------------------------------------------------- snip --------------------------------------------------------- *What is openMosix not useful for?*: openMosix lets a cluster of computers behave like one big multi-processor computer. However, it doesn't automatically parallelise programs. Each individual process only runs on one computer at a time. For example, if your computer could convert a WAV to a MP3 in a minute, then buying another nine computers and joining them in a ten-node openMosix cluster would *NOT* let you convert a WAV in six seconds. However, what it *would* allow you to do is convert 10 WAVs simultanously. Each one would take a minute, but since you can do lots in parallel you'd get through your CD collection much faster :). If what you need to do is take a single process and parallelise it across multiple machines, then openMosix is probably not the technology you're looking for. Mosix works best when running plenty of separate CPU intensive tasks. Shared memory is its big drawback, like *Beowulf*: for applications using shared memory, such as Web servers or database servers, there will not be any benefit from [Open]Mosix because all processes accessing said shared memory must resided on the same node. --------------------------------------------------- snip --------------------------------------------------------- Oh well, it sounded like a good idea but I don't think all the apps in fedora are going to re-written for a beowulf cluster anytime soon. > The proof-in-the-pudding for this approach is Largo, FL, where they > use this exact approach. Doing so allows them to support 240 users > with a couple of 900mhz terminal servers. They found they could get > the per-user memory consumption down to about 13M and I think that was > using KDE. (They don't use LTSP, preferring to roll their own terminal > servers.) Also, with this approach, you spend money only on the apps > that need a lot of resources, e.g. more memory for those apps that > need it. It also scales up better because for each additional app > that you add, you just add another server. But, if money is tight, > and, say, you can only afford four app servers but you have 16 apps, > you can put multiple apps on each server, for an average of 4 > apps/server, and then next year get just one more server, move some > apps to that new server (probably a newer version of the app in > question), for an average of 3.2 apps/server and repeat in the years > after that. In some cases those servers may not even need to be that > big, depending on the apps. > > Petre > Sounds interesting but I think I'll stick my dual Xeon and k12ltsp. Rolling your own Terminal Server does not sound easy. Now I understand why I did not get many bites on this thread. Thanks for the info Petre. Robert Arkiletian From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 16 03:16:14 2004 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (Cory Cartwright) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:16:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1100574974.3723.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> you may have seen this also, but it's worth sending. http://dansguardian.org/downloads/DGandTransparent.txt On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 16:31, KJ wrote: > Hi Adam, > Yes I have tried that. I'm sorry I should have mentioned that. It > makes no difference. > BTW - your howto on the website was most helpful, thanks for your work! > KJ > > > Adam Melancon wrote: > > >Did you try flushing all of the tables first > >iptables -t nat -F > >iptables -F > >Then > >/sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j > >REDIRECT --to-port 3128 > > > > > >On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:22:46 -0500, KJ wrote: > > > > > >>Hello all, > >>I FINALLY have squid/squidguard working. If I enter 127.0.0.1 port 3128 > >>as my proxy, everything works fine. The issue that I am having (the > >>last before deployment, I think) is that I can't get iptables to route > >>all traffic to port 3128. > >>When I reinstalled K12 LTSP I made sure to initiate a firewall. Now I > >>have entries in iptables for the RH-Firewall chain. When I enter: > >> > >>iptables - t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT > >>--to-port 3128 > >> > >>nothing happens. I've tried flushing and re-entering the above > >>statement, still nothing. > >> > >>Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >>Thanks! > >>KJ > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From adammelancon at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 02:54:40 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:54:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48928761041115185468b25106@mail.gmail.com> Well, on my box I only have one network card eth0 I'm using this as a squidguard only box. If you are using the two network card senario, look at http://k12ltsp.org/install.html eth1 is the internet, and eth0 is the terminal side. On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:35:38 -0500, Cory Cartwright wrote: > Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe > instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and > remove -i eth0 > > Cory > > > > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 16:31, KJ wrote: > > Hi Adam, > > Yes I have tried that. I'm sorry I should have mentioned that. It > > makes no difference. > > BTW - your howto on the website was most helpful, thanks for your work! > > KJ > > > > > > Adam Melancon wrote: > > > > >Did you try flushing all of the tables first > > >iptables -t nat -F > > >iptables -F > > >Then > > >/sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j > > >REDIRECT --to-port 3128 > > > > > > > > >On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:22:46 -0500, KJ wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Hello all, > > >>I FINALLY have squid/squidguard working. If I enter 127.0.0.1 port 3128 > > >>as my proxy, everything works fine. The issue that I am having (the > > >>last before deployment, I think) is that I can't get iptables to route > > >>all traffic to port 3128. > > >>When I reinstalled K12 LTSP I made sure to initiate a firewall. Now I > > >>have entries in iptables for the RH-Firewall chain. When I enter: > > >> > > >>iptables - t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT > > >>--to-port 3128 > > >> > > >>nothing happens. I've tried flushing and re-entering the above > > >>statement, still nothing. > > >> > > >>Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > >>Thanks! > > >>KJ > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>For more info see > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From ddaniels at magic.fr Tue Nov 16 04:10:32 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:10:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox 1 In-Reply-To: <4198BED3.9060507@maltzen.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112143924.0267fe98@pop.easystreet.com> <41957A2D.4070800@telus.net> <4198BED3.9060507@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <41997DB8.808@magic.fr> Yes, I've experienced the same. The archives at RH are not very well indexed... searches for subjects on the very same page will sometimes fail. dgd Petre Scheie wrote: > Just for fun, I went to the archive via > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn and did a search for > 'firefox'; it came back with 0 results. Then I just looked at the > November archive, looked for Robert's name and found, among others, his > message titled "Re: [K12OSN] Can't launch Firefox". I knew it was > there; this was just to prove the point. Why isn't the search function > working? Is something broken at Red Hat's end? > (It's not the first time I've tried to search the archives and failed > even though I know, from memory, that there are relevant messages in > there.) > > Petre > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> Carl Keil wrote: >> >>> Has anyone upgraded to firefox 1 yet? >>> Could it be that it's not in the repositories yet? >>> I'm not finding an rpm for it, just this tar.gz thingy on their website. >>> >>> ck >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> Search this list in end of Oct and early Nov. I asked the same >> question and got many replies and I posted my solution. >> >> Robert Arkiletian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From pbenson at ffni.com Tue Nov 16 04:34:42 2004 From: pbenson at ffni.com (Phil Benson) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:34:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox 1 In-Reply-To: <41997DB8.808@magic.fr> Message-ID: Try search at this location below. http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/2/simple/2 Phil Benson Embroidery Nation http://www.embroiderynation.com/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Daniels Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:11 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] firefox 1 Yes, I've experienced the same. The archives at RH are not very well indexed... searches for subjects on the very same page will sometimes fail. dgd Petre Scheie wrote: > Just for fun, I went to the archive via > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn and did a search for > 'firefox'; it came back with 0 results. Then I just looked at the > November archive, looked for Robert's name and found, among others, his > message titled "Re: [K12OSN] Can't launch Firefox". I knew it was > there; this was just to prove the point. Why isn't the search function > working? Is something broken at Red Hat's end? > (It's not the first time I've tried to search the archives and failed > even though I know, from memory, that there are relevant messages in > there.) > > Petre > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> Carl Keil wrote: >> >>> Has anyone upgraded to firefox 1 yet? >>> Could it be that it's not in the repositories yet? >>> I'm not finding an rpm for it, just this tar.gz thingy on their website. >>> >>> ck >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> Search this list in end of Oct and early Nov. I asked the same >> question and got many replies and I posted my solution. >> >> Robert Arkiletian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From pfaffman at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 04:37:02 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:37:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients Message-ID: <932609800411152037d9412d9@mail.gmail.com> I'm working with a teacher who has a bunch of iMacs with 32MB of RAM in her school. She was pretty fired up about LTSP when seeing it run with some OSX clients, but we had a pretty serious Linux geek spend most of a day this weekend trying to get an iMac to run something that would make X go and failed. Is someone out there using iMacs running Linux as thin clients. The school doesn't have OS X, so that "easy" option won't work. It would seem like one should be able to make a boot CD and have it boot off the network like a PeeCee, but I've not been successful in figuring that out. Thanks -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From bill at computassist.com Tue Nov 16 04:53:50 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:53:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients In-Reply-To: <932609800411152037d9412d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <932609800411152037d9412d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041115225350.140c3c8d@heaven> On Monday, Nov 15 Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I'm working with a teacher who has a bunch of iMacs with 32MB of RAM > in her school. She was pretty fired up about LTSP when seeing it run > with some OSX clients, but we had a pretty serious Linux geek spend > most of a day this weekend trying to get an iMac to run something that > would make X go and failed. Is someone out there using iMacs running > Linux as thin clients. The school doesn't have OS X, so that "easy" > option won't work. There is a link to WeirdX in the K12LTSP FAQ. It's a Java X server. If you can get Java and WeirdX to run in 32MB, it might work. There's a package for the Mac on the WeirdX page if you scroll down far enough. On the other hand, since I know next to nothing about Macs, this might just be hot air... -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Nov 16 11:33:01 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:33:01 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients Message-ID: <200411161049.iAGAnhh11398@downeast.net> i have used nubus machines as chubby clients on 32 meg of ram..And Bill Cavalieri has both a kernel and an nfs mont for mac that works on beige machines. ..The prob we are having is the dhcp response from very new macs is all screwed up.If we can get past that hurdle thhey should work fine.. i have the ethereal record from an ibook to osx server which correctly passes the tftp response and am comparing that to standard response from linux to see what is different...chuck > On Monday, Nov 15 Jay Pfaffman wrote: > > I'm working with a teacher who has a bunch of iMacs with 32MB of RAM > > in her school. She was pretty fired up about LTSP when seeing it run > > with some OSX clients, but we had a pretty serious Linux geek spend > > most of a day this weekend trying to get an iMac to run something that > > would make X go and failed. Is someone out there using iMacs running > > Linux as thin clients. The school doesn't have OS X, so that "easy" > > option won't work. > > There is a link to WeirdX in the K12LTSP FAQ. It's a Java X server. If > you can get Java and WeirdX to run in 32MB, it might work. There's a > package for the Mac on the WeirdX page if you scroll down far enough. > > On the other hand, since I know next to nothing about Macs, this might > just be hot air... > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Nov 16 13:15:34 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:15:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients In-Reply-To: <932609800411152037d9412d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <932609800411152037d9412d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4199FD76.6000601@inlandlakes.org> Have you tried installing yellowdog linux, or the new mandrake ppc? If you can get the computer running linux and X, the rest is easy. I've not gotten iMacs to netboot to LTSP yet -- but I do have a lab that netboots MacOS9.1 from a linux server, so there is hope, just not quite yet. I would try either yellowdog or mandrake, as they tend to be the easiest to get running. Once you have a good install, you can clone the drives, so as not to install so many times. -Shawn PS. I'll happily help you with the final puzzle piece if you get linux installed on the iMacs... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 16 14:31:21 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:31:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox 1 In-Reply-To: <4199632D.3020308@telus.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112143924.0267fe98@pop.easystreet.com> <41957A2D.4070800@telus.net> <4198BED3.9060507@maltzen.net> <4199632D.3020308@telus.net> Message-ID: <419A0F39.2090204@maltzen.net> I tried using the 'extended' route, searching for firefox. I did get three hits, all postings from Feb. Your messages from just a few weeks ago weren't found. Does the search find them for you? Petre Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Petre, I also noticed this problem with searching k12osn. The way I do > searches now is to click "extended" and manually select k12osn from all > the lists redhat hosts. Then the search seems to work properly. > > Robert Arkiletian > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> Just for fun, I went to the archive via >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn and did a search for >> 'firefox'; it came back with 0 results. Then I just looked at the >> November archive, looked for Robert's name and found, among others, >> his message titled "Re: [K12OSN] Can't launch Firefox". I knew it was >> there; this was just to prove the point. Why isn't the search >> function working? Is something broken at Red Hat's end? >> (It's not the first time I've tried to search the archives and failed >> even though I know, from memory, that there are relevant messages in >> there.) >> >> Petre >> >> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >>> Carl Keil wrote: >>> >>>> Has anyone upgraded to firefox 1 yet? >>>> Could it be that it's not in the repositories yet? >>>> I'm not finding an rpm for it, just this tar.gz thingy on their >>>> website. >>>> >>>> ck >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> Search this list in end of Oct and early Nov. I asked the same >>> question and got many replies and I posted my solution. >>> >>> Robert Arkiletian >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 16 15:29:00 2004 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:29:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Selective floppy access ??? In-Reply-To: <419400F2.4070808@netscape.net> References: <419400F2.4070808@netscape.net> Message-ID: I have had the same issue for quite sometime. I have tried the responses I have gotten from the list but nothing has solved the problem. Sorry "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Hi, > >We're starting to encounter a problem with the floppyd function. >Recently, without there being any changes to the system cedrtain >thin-client cannot access the local floppy drive. Message is permission >denied, but when I check both the lts.conf and the workstation >permissions these are no different from the other workstation that can >access the local floppy....... any suggestions >K12LTSP V4.0.1 >Server P-IV 2.8GHz, 2GB, 2x 80GB SATA HD >Workstations - Compaq P-I mix of 5175 to 5166 >NIC 3-Com 905 > >and no its not a certain box but a mix of ws's..... ? > >thks >norbert > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 16 16:11:10 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:11:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> I think it's a great question. eth0 is my internal LAN. My setup is that I have one LTSP box to serve my 10 computers. It has two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin clients and the other is connected to my internal LAN (which the teachers are on) The LTSP sessions are the ones that I am attempting to route into squidguard. Maybe this is my problem, I have the requests coming in from the thin clients, the server thinks it is coming from itself and routes it out to the internet. does that make sense? thanks again! KJ Cory Cartwright wrote: >Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe >instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and >remove -i eth0 > >Cory > > > From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 16 16:37:10 2004 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (Cory Cartwright) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:37:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1100623030.2724.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING to filter based on source 17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i good luck! Cory On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: > I think it's a great question. eth0 is my internal LAN. > > My setup is that I have one LTSP box to serve my 10 computers. It has > two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin clients and the other is > connected to my internal LAN (which the teachers are on) The LTSP > sessions are the ones that I am attempting to route into squidguard. > > Maybe this is my problem, I have the requests coming in from the thin > clients, the server thinks it is coming from itself and routes it out to > the internet. does that make sense? > > thanks again! > KJ > > Cory Cartwright wrote: > > >Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe > >instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and > >remove -i eth0 > > > >Cory > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From donlogs at cablespeed.com Tue Nov 16 16:43:22 2004 From: donlogs at cablespeed.com (Don Logsdon) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:43:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox 1 In-Reply-To: <41997DB8.808@magic.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112143924.0267fe98@pop.easystreet.com> <41957A2D.4070800@telus.net> <4198BED3.9060507@maltzen.net> <41997DB8.808@magic.fr> Message-ID: <419A2E2A.9040606@cablespeed.com> Apparently the search is case sensitive -- go to https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn then try Firefox don Dennis Daniels wrote: > Yes, I've experienced the same. The archives at RH are not very well > indexed... searches for subjects on the very same page will sometimes > fail. > > dgd > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> Just for fun, I went to the archive via >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn and did a search for >> 'firefox'; it came back with 0 results. Then I just looked at the >> November archive, looked for Robert's name and found, among others, >> his message titled "Re: [K12OSN] Can't launch Firefox". I knew it >> was there; this was just to prove the point. Why isn't the search >> function working? Is something broken at Red Hat's end? >> (It's not the first time I've tried to search the archives and failed >> even though I know, from memory, that there are relevant messages in >> there.) >> >> Petre >> >> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >>> Carl Keil wrote: >>> >>>> Has anyone upgraded to firefox 1 yet? >>>> Could it be that it's not in the repositories yet? >>>> I'm not finding an rpm for it, just this tar.gz thingy on their >>>> website. >>>> >>>> ck >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> Search this list in end of Oct and early Nov. I asked the same >>> question and got many replies and I posted my solution. >>> >>> Robert Arkiletian >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 16 18:38:27 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:38:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100623030.2724.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> <1100623030.2724.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <419A4923.3050306@myrealbox.com> I must have something setup incorrectly. I used -s 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i eth0) from the entry and it's still not doing anything. I'm baffled. Thanks for your insight. KJ Cory Cartwright wrote: >One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING to filter based on source >17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i >good luck! > >Cory > >On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: > > >>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my internal LAN. >> >>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to serve my 10 computers. It has >>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin clients and the other is >>connected to my internal LAN (which the teachers are on) The LTSP >>sessions are the ones that I am attempting to route into squidguard. >> >>Maybe this is my problem, I have the requests coming in from the thin >>clients, the server thinks it is coming from itself and routes it out to >>the internet. does that make sense? >> >>thanks again! >>KJ >> >>Cory Cartwright wrote: >> >> >> >>>Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe >>>instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and >>>remove -i eth0 >>> >>>Cory >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 16 19:12:03 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:12:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New menus - Reduced application collection In-Reply-To: <4198D858.3040303@paasda.org> References: <20041114103016.GA6633@wizzy.com> <4198D858.3040303@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1100632322.30589.78.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:24, Huck wrote: > Personally I think it should just be MUCH MUCH easier to edit a default > menu and enforce that menu among users. > D. Trask, using IceWM, touts some app for editing that WM's menus, but > I've not had the time to check it out yet. Has anyone considered a Mac-like approach where you get rid of the window-manager's menu concept completely and launch everything from the filesystem? I've never quite seen the point of having different quirky menu systems for different window managers. Why can't you toss a symlink to an 'applications' folder on the desktop and have everything work the same way? And of course the folder(s) that were the target of the symlinks could be the same for everyone, managed for groups, or ignored and the symlink replaced with an individual folder. It looks like you could set these up by simply dragging the items from the Gnome menu into the folders if you have write permission. I'm not sure how you would make the built-in menu go away, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 16 19:39:15 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:39:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP! Stale NFS...permission denied...etc Message-ID: Ok, Here's the deal....I'm using Samba/LDAP and exporting my home directories to my K12LTSP server via NFS. I can authenticate, but the desktops will not come up. I've tried running reset-desktops and everything. Here are the symptoms....At the Samba/LDAP box (FC2...K12LTSP edition) I cannot log in as any other user than root....just pops me back to the log in...says permission denied unable to create .gnome2...or something to that effect. >From the terminals I can log in...I get the IceWM toolbar, but nothing else....if I run terminal (xterm) then it gives me a message about permission denied bash: /home//dtrask/.bashrc: permission denied I can't see why though. When I try to execute something in terminal as a user I get bash: gthumbs: Stale NFS file Handle Creating a new user doesn't make any difference....help...I need suggestions Oh...and rebooting didn't seem to do the trick David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 16 19:47:41 2004 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (Cory Cartwright) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:47:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <419A4923.3050306@myrealbox.com> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> <1100623030.2724.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A4923.3050306@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1100634461.2724.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> the clients still get natted to the internet? What is the ip range for the other interface? Is it the same subnet? On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:38, KJ wrote: > I must have something setup incorrectly. I used -s > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i eth0) from the entry and > it's still not doing anything. > > I'm baffled. > Thanks for your insight. > KJ > > > Cory Cartwright wrote: > > >One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING to filter based on source > >17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i > >good luck! > > > >Cory > > > >On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: > > > > > >>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my internal LAN. > >> > >>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to serve my 10 computers. It has > >>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin clients and the other is > >>connected to my internal LAN (which the teachers are on) The LTSP > >>sessions are the ones that I am attempting to route into squidguard. > >> > >>Maybe this is my problem, I have the requests coming in from the thin > >>clients, the server thinks it is coming from itself and routes it out to > >>the internet. does that make sense? > >> > >>thanks again! > >>KJ > >> > >>Cory Cartwright wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe > >>>instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and > >>>remove -i eth0 > >>> > >>>Cory > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Tue Nov 16 20:03:59 2004 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:03:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *INEXPENSIVE* mobo/cpu options? In-Reply-To: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <419A5D2F.5070802@physics.isu.edu> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > > i may just buy refurbished IBM NetVista's online: ... > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1027007&sku=J156-2040 > > Has anyone tried these boxes with K12LTSP? Do you know more details about the network, video, and sound? The page doesn't mention specific chipset or drivers, so I may have to buy one to try it out. Ben From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 16 20:12:36 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:12:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100634461.2724.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> <1100623030.2724.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A4923.3050306@myrealbox.com> <1100634461.2724.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <419A5F34.70909@myrealbox.com> Hey Cory, Yes the clients are still being sent to the internet. I am setup as such: Server w/ eth0 (internal) setup with 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 and DHCP'ing to the clients (only 1 currently connected). same box w/ eth1 (external) connected to my internal network w/ a DHCP assigned address from my router of 192.168.2.17/255.255.255.0 from your question I changed (briefly) my network to 10. etc. and re-initialized the NIC, no change in behavior. I'm having a disconnect in my mind of how the logic of this works. If I have a Terminal session going to the LTSP/Squid server how is the iptables entry supposed to route the traffic, doesn't the LTSP/Squid box see the page requests as originating from itself and just plain route them to the outside? Thanks! KJ Cory Cartwright wrote: >the clients still get natted to the internet? What is the ip range for >the other interface? Is it the same subnet? > > >On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:38, KJ wrote: > > >>I must have something setup incorrectly. I used -s >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i eth0) from the entry and >>it's still not doing anything. >> >>I'm baffled. >>Thanks for your insight. >>KJ >> >> >>Cory Cartwright wrote: >> >> >> >>>One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING to filter based on source >>>17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i >>>good luck! >>> >>>Cory >>> >>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my internal LAN. >>>> >>>>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to serve my 10 computers. It has >>>>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin clients and the other is >>>>connected to my internal LAN (which the teachers are on) The LTSP >>>>sessions are the ones that I am attempting to route into squidguard. >>>> >>>>Maybe this is my problem, I have the requests coming in from the thin >>>>clients, the server thinks it is coming from itself and routes it out to >>>>the internet. does that make sense? >>>> >>>>thanks again! >>>>KJ >>>> >>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe >>>>>instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and >>>>>remove -i eth0 >>>>> >>>>>Cory >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 16 20:26:37 2004 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (Cory Cartwright) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:26:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <419A5F34.70909@myrealbox.com> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> <1100623030.2724.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A4923.3050306@myrealbox.com> <1100634461.2724.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A5F34.70909@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1100636797.2724.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> to answer you last question, you are not changing the source address, so the request is still coming from the client, as far as the router is concerned. could you send your iptables script? Cory corycartwright at sbcglobal.net On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:12, KJ wrote: > Hey Cory, > Yes the clients are still being sent to the internet. I am setup as such: > Server w/ eth0 (internal) setup with 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 and > DHCP'ing to the clients (only 1 currently connected). > > same box w/ eth1 (external) connected to my internal network w/ a DHCP > assigned address from my router of 192.168.2.17/255.255.255.0 > > from your question I changed (briefly) my network to 10. etc. and > re-initialized the NIC, no change in behavior. > > I'm having a disconnect in my mind of how the logic of this works. If I > have a Terminal session going to the LTSP/Squid server how is the > iptables entry supposed to route the traffic, doesn't the LTSP/Squid box > see the page requests as originating from itself and just plain route > them to the outside? > > Thanks! > KJ > > Cory Cartwright wrote: > > >the clients still get natted to the internet? What is the ip range for > >the other interface? Is it the same subnet? > > > > > >On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:38, KJ wrote: > > > > > >>I must have something setup incorrectly. I used -s > >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i eth0) from the entry and > >>it's still not doing anything. > >> > >>I'm baffled. > >>Thanks for your insight. > >>KJ > >> > >> > >>Cory Cartwright wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING to filter based on source > >>>17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i > >>>good luck! > >>> > >>>Cory > >>> > >>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my internal LAN. > >>>> > >>>>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to serve my 10 computers. It has > >>>>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin clients and the other is > >>>>connected to my internal LAN (which the teachers are on) The LTSP > >>>>sessions are the ones that I am attempting to route into squidguard. > >>>> > >>>>Maybe this is my problem, I have the requests coming in from the thin > >>>>clients, the server thinks it is coming from itself and routes it out to > >>>>the internet. does that make sense? > >>>> > >>>>thanks again! > >>>>KJ > >>>> > >>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe > >>>>>instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and > >>>>>remove -i eth0 > >>>>> > >>>>>Cory > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>For more info see > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 20:27:31 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:27:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *INEXPENSIVE* mobo/cpu options? In-Reply-To: <419A5D2F.5070802@physics.isu.edu> References: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <419A5D2F.5070802@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: Richard (et al.): I have come to LTSP with a background of selling used computers for 16 years. Our primary line is the Dell Optiplex. We like them since they have lifetime tech support from Dell and are extremely well-built, using the same components over long periods of time. Since I haven't yet tackled the sound issue, I'd be interested in sending someone a test unit who is familiar with sound to see how the Optiplexes do in that regard. I'm personally working on an Optiplex P1-166 as my workstation for my home-office, and I use an Optiplex small form factor 866 when I go out and do demonstrations. Steve On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:03:59 -0700, Ben Nickell wrote: > Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > > > > > > i may just buy refurbished IBM NetVista's online: ... > > > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1027007&sku=J156-2040 > > > > > Has anyone tried these boxes with K12LTSP? Do you know more details > about the network, video, and sound? The page doesn't mention specific > chipset or drivers, so I may have to buy one to try it out. > > Ben > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 16 20:36:12 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:36:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP! Stale NFS...permission denied...etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100637372.30589.87.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:39, David Trask wrote: > Here's the deal....I'm using Samba/LDAP and exporting my home directories > to my K12LTSP server via NFS. I can authenticate, but the desktops will > not come up. I've tried running reset-desktops and everything. Here are > the symptoms....At the Samba/LDAP box (FC2...K12LTSP edition) I cannot log > in as any other user than root....just pops me back to the log in...says > permission denied unable to create .gnome2...or something to that effect. > >From the terminals I can log in...I get the IceWM toolbar, but nothing > else....if I run terminal (xterm) then it gives me a message about > permission denied > > bash: /home//dtrask/.bashrc: permission denied This sounds like your authentication is not matching up the uid numbers that exist for the home directories. Try logging in to the server in text mode on an alternate virtual console or ssh in and do an 'id' to see what value you get. If it isn't what is on the home dirs, wade through your pam config to figure out where it came from. Did you just switch to windbind or a different approach? Do these servers have users in the /etc/passwd files? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 16 20:56:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:56:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP! Stale NFS...permission denied...etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100638614.30589.90.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:39, David Trask wrote: > bash: gthumbs: Stale NFS file Handle > > Creating a new user doesn't make any difference....help...I need > suggestions > > Oh...and rebooting didn't seem to do the trick Did you reboot the NFS server or the client or both? You may need to do both to clean this up. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 16 21:20:36 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:20:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100636797.2724.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> <1100623030.2724.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A4923.3050306@myrealbox.com> <1100634461.2724.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A5F34.70909@myrealbox.com> <1100636797.2724.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100640034.4036.4.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> My turn to ask the dumb questions. you mean the contents of /etc/sysconfig/iptables right? If so, it's below. Thanks again!!! ---------------- # Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. #*filter #:INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] #:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] #:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] #:RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] #-A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT #-A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited #COMMIT *nat :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 COMMIT ----------------------- On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:26, Cory Cartwright wrote: > to answer you last question, you are not changing the source address, > so the request is still coming from the client, as far as the router is > concerned. > > could you send your iptables script? > > Cory > corycartwright at sbcglobal.net > > > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:12, KJ wrote: > > Hey Cory, > > Yes the clients are still being sent to the internet. I am setup as such: > > Server w/ eth0 (internal) setup with 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 and > > DHCP'ing to the clients (only 1 currently connected). > > > > same box w/ eth1 (external) connected to my internal network w/ a DHCP > > assigned address from my router of 192.168.2.17/255.255.255.0 > > > > from your question I changed (briefly) my network to 10. etc. and > > re-initialized the NIC, no change in behavior. > > > > I'm having a disconnect in my mind of how the logic of this works. If I > > have a Terminal session going to the LTSP/Squid server how is the > > iptables entry supposed to route the traffic, doesn't the LTSP/Squid box > > see the page requests as originating from itself and just plain route > > them to the outside? > > > > Thanks! > > KJ > > > > Cory Cartwright wrote: > > > > >the clients still get natted to the internet? What is the ip range for > > >the other interface? Is it the same subnet? > > > > > > > > >On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:38, KJ wrote: > > > > > > > > >>I must have something setup incorrectly. I used -s > > >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i eth0) from the entry and > > >>it's still not doing anything. > > >> > > >>I'm baffled. > > >>Thanks for your insight. > > >>KJ > > >> > > >> > > >>Cory Cartwright wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING to filter based on source > > >>>17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i > > >>>good luck! > > >>> > > >>>Cory > > >>> > > >>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my internal LAN. > > >>>> > > >>>>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to serve my 10 computers. It has > > >>>>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin clients and the other is > > >>>>connected to my internal LAN (which the teachers are on) The LTSP > > >>>>sessions are the ones that I am attempting to route into squidguard. > > >>>> > > >>>>Maybe this is my problem, I have the requests coming in from the thin > > >>>>clients, the server thinks it is coming from itself and routes it out to > > >>>>the internet. does that make sense? > > >>>> > > >>>>thanks again! > > >>>>KJ > > >>>> > > >>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe > > >>>>>instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and > > >>>>>remove -i eth0 > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Cory > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>>K12OSN mailing list > > >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>>>For more info see > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>K12OSN mailing list > > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>>For more info see > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>For more info see > > >> > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 16 21:20:34 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:20:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100636797.2724.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> <1100623030.2724.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A4923.3050306@myrealbox.com> <1100634461.2724.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A5F34.70909@myrealbox.com> <1100636797.2724.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100639837.4036.1.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> My turn to ask the dumb questions. you mean the contents of /etc/sysconfig/iptables right? If so, it's below. Thanks again!!! ---------------- # Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. #*filter #:INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] #:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] #:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] #:RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] #-A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT #-A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited #COMMIT *nat :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 COMMIT ----------------------- On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:26, Cory Cartwright wrote: > to answer you last question, you are not changing the source address, > so the request is still coming from the client, as far as the router is > concerned. > > could you send your iptables script? > > Cory > corycartwright at sbcglobal.net > > > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:12, KJ wrote: > > Hey Cory, > > Yes the clients are still being sent to the internet. I am setup as such: > > Server w/ eth0 (internal) setup with 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 and > > DHCP'ing to the clients (only 1 currently connected). > > > > same box w/ eth1 (external) connected to my internal network w/ a DHCP > > assigned address from my router of 192.168.2.17/255.255.255.0 > > > > from your question I changed (briefly) my network to 10. etc. and > > re-initialized the NIC, no change in behavior. > > > > I'm having a disconnect in my mind of how the logic of this works. If I > > have a Terminal session going to the LTSP/Squid server how is the > > iptables entry supposed to route the traffic, doesn't the LTSP/Squid box > > see the page requests as originating from itself and just plain route > > them to the outside? > > > > Thanks! > > KJ > > > > Cory Cartwright wrote: > > > > >the clients still get natted to the internet? What is the ip range for > > >the other interface? Is it the same subnet? > > > > > > > > >On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:38, KJ wrote: > > > > > > > > >>I must have something setup incorrectly. I used -s > > >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i eth0) from the entry and > > >>it's still not doing anything. > > >> > > >>I'm baffled. > > >>Thanks for your insight. > > >>KJ > > >> > > >> > > >>Cory Cartwright wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING to filter based on source > > >>>17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i > > >>>good luck! > > >>> > > >>>Cory > > >>> > > >>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my internal LAN. > > >>>> > > >>>>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to serve my 10 computers. It has > > >>>>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin clients and the other is > > >>>>connected to my internal LAN (which the teachers are on) The LTSP > > >>>>sessions are the ones that I am attempting to route into squidguard. > > >>>> > > >>>>Maybe this is my problem, I have the requests coming in from the thin > > >>>>clients, the server thinks it is coming from itself and routes it out to > > >>>>the internet. does that make sense? > > >>>> > > >>>>thanks again! > > >>>>KJ > > >>>> > > >>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe > > >>>>>instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and > > >>>>>remove -i eth0 > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Cory > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>>K12OSN mailing list > > >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>>>For more info see > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>K12OSN mailing list > > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>>For more info see > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>For more info see > > >> > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Nov 16 23:50:08 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:50:08 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] HELP! Stale NFS...permission denied...etc Message-ID: <200411162306.iAGN6kh07016@downeast.net> did you try and throw out the contents of /var/lib/nfs??? love to have yournotes on nx...chuck > Ok, > > Here's the deal....I'm using Samba/LDAP and exporting my home directories > to my K12LTSP server via NFS. I can authenticate, but the desktops will > not come up. I've tried running reset-desktops and everything. Here are > the symptoms....At the Samba/LDAP box (FC2...K12LTSP edition) I cannot log > in as any other user than root....just pops me back to the log in...says > permission denied unable to create .gnome2...or something to that effect. > >From the terminals I can log in...I get the IceWM toolbar, but nothing > else....if I run terminal (xterm) then it gives me a message about > permission denied > > bash: /home//dtrask/.bashrc: permission denied > > I can't see why though. When I try to execute something in terminal as a > user I get > > bash: gthumbs: Stale NFS file Handle > > Creating a new user doesn't make any difference....help...I need > suggestions > > Oh...and rebooting didn't seem to do the trick > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Nov 17 00:11:02 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:11:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *INEXPENSIVE* mobo/cpu options? In-Reply-To: References: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <419A5D2F.5070802@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <419A9716.6060209@cmosnetworks.com> I've tried Dell Optiplex PII machines in the past, but mind you, they had SoundBlaster16 sound cards in them. I know that all the other hardware works just fine; our Optiplexes use 3Com 3C905 network chipsets and ATI 3D Rage video chipsets in them--all stuff that's LTSP-friendly. --TP Steve Hargadon wrote: >Richard (et al.): > >I have come to LTSP with a background of selling used computers for 16 >years. Our primary line is the Dell Optiplex. We like them since >they have lifetime tech support from Dell and are extremely >well-built, using the same components over long periods of time. > >Since I haven't yet tackled the sound issue, I'd be interested in >sending someone a test unit who is familiar with sound to see how the >Optiplexes do in that regard. I'm personally working on an Optiplex >P1-166 as my workstation for my home-office, and I use an Optiplex >small form factor 866 when I go out and do demonstrations. > >Steve > > >On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:03:59 -0700, Ben Nickell > wrote: > > >>Richard K. Ingalls wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>i may just buy refurbished IBM NetVista's online: ... >>> >>>http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1027007&sku=J156-2040 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Has anyone tried these boxes with K12LTSP? Do you know more details >>about the network, video, and sound? The page doesn't mention specific >>chipset or drivers, so I may have to buy one to try it out. >> >>Ben >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 17 00:34:56 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:34:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] *INEXPENSIVE* mobo/cpu options? In-Reply-To: References: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <419A5D2F.5070802@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <1100651696.5542.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 14:27, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I have come to LTSP with a background of selling used computers for 16 > years. Our primary line is the Dell Optiplex. We like them since > they have lifetime tech support from Dell and are extremely > well-built, using the same components over long periods of time. I think you could drive a truck over the old GX1's without breaking them - they do need a flash upgrade to boot via PXE. > Since I haven't yet tackled the sound issue, I'd be interested in > sending someone a test unit who is familiar with sound to see how the > Optiplexes do in that regard. I'm personally working on an Optiplex > P1-166 as my workstation for my home-office, and I use an Optiplex > small form factor 866 when I go out and do demonstrations. If you have the crystal sound chipset onboard, try something like: SMODULE_01 = "cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1" in your lts.conf. Now, does anyone know how to find the real screen resolution on these things? I have one that won't go above 1024x768 and another that will do 1600x1280, both with GX1 labels and both with ATI rage pro video on board, apparently with different amounts of RAM. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 17 01:42:34 2004 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (Cory Cartwright) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:42:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100639837.4036.1.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> <1100623030.2724.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A4923.3050306@myrealbox.com> <1100634461.2724.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A5F34.70909@myrealbox.com> <1100636797.2724.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100639837.4036.1.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> Message-ID: <1100655754.2724.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> ok,, was this all commented out manually? Where you type in the PREROUTING command by hand or putting it in this script? If this is not what you have done I recommend the following: regenerate the iptables script using system-config-securitylevel, allowing for http, https, ssh and port 3128 and ftp if you have an ftp server. after this is done make a backup copy: cp /etc/sysconfig/iptables /etc/sysconfig/iptables.old on the command line type: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 if this is accepted then you can type: iptables-save >/etc/sysconfig/iptables and Finlay restart iptables: /etc/init.d/iptables restart now using the system-config-securitylevel tool will over write this, that is why I like to write my own firewall script and place it into the startup. I apologize if you have done all of this and already know it. Cory On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 16:20, KJ wrote: > My turn to ask the dumb questions. you mean the contents of > /etc/sysconfig/iptables right? > If so, it's below. > Thanks again!!! > > ---------------- > # Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel > # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. > #*filter > #:INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > #:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] > #:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > #:RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] > #-A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT > #-A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT > #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT > #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT > #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT > #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT > #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT > #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j > ACCEPT > #-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited > #COMMIT > > *nat > :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] > -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 > COMMIT > ----------------------- > > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:26, Cory Cartwright wrote: > > to answer you last question, you are not changing the source address, > > so the request is still coming from the client, as far as the router is > > concerned. > > > > could you send your iptables script? > > > > Cory > > corycartwright at sbcglobal.net > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:12, KJ wrote: > > > Hey Cory, > > > Yes the clients are still being sent to the internet. I am setup as such: > > > Server w/ eth0 (internal) setup with 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 and > > > DHCP'ing to the clients (only 1 currently connected). > > > > > > same box w/ eth1 (external) connected to my internal network w/ a DHCP > > > assigned address from my router of 192.168.2.17/255.255.255.0 > > > > > > from your question I changed (briefly) my network to 10. etc. and > > > re-initialized the NIC, no change in behavior. > > > > > > I'm having a disconnect in my mind of how the logic of this works. If I > > > have a Terminal session going to the LTSP/Squid server how is the > > > iptables entry supposed to route the traffic, doesn't the LTSP/Squid box > > > see the page requests as originating from itself and just plain route > > > them to the outside? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > KJ > > > > > > Cory Cartwright wrote: > > > > > > >the clients still get natted to the internet? What is the ip range for > > > >the other interface? Is it the same subnet? > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:38, KJ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>I must have something setup incorrectly. I used -s > > > >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i eth0) from the entry and > > > >>it's still not doing anything. > > > >> > > > >>I'm baffled. > > > >>Thanks for your insight. > > > >>KJ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Cory Cartwright wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING to filter based on source > > > >>>17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i > > > >>>good luck! > > > >>> > > > >>>Cory > > > >>> > > > >>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my internal LAN. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to serve my 10 computers. It has > > > >>>>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin clients and the other is > > > >>>>connected to my internal LAN (which the teachers are on) The LTSP > > > >>>>sessions are the ones that I am attempting to route into squidguard. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Maybe this is my problem, I have the requests coming in from the thin > > > >>>>clients, the server thinks it is coming from itself and routes it out to > > > >>>>the internet. does that make sense? > > > >>>> > > > >>>>thanks again! > > > >>>>KJ > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe > > > >>>>>instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and > > > >>>>>remove -i eth0 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>Cory > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>_______________________________________________ > > > >>>>K12OSN mailing list > > > >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > > > >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > >>>>For more info see > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > > >>>K12OSN mailing list > > > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > > > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > >>>For more info see > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > >>For more info see > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >K12OSN mailing list > > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Wed Nov 17 04:08:10 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:08:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100655754.2724.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> <1100623030.2724.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A4923.3050306@myrealbox.com> <1100634461.2724.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A5F34.70909@myrealbox.com> <1100636797.2724.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100639837.4036.1.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> <1100655754.2724.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <419ACEAA.4000702@myrealbox.com> Thanks Cory, I actually commented it all out manually. I was trying to get to the cleanest point to see if I could figure out what was wrong. I'll try this out first thing. thanks again! KJ Cory Cartwright wrote: >ok,, was this all commented out manually? >Where you type in the PREROUTING command by hand or putting it in this >script? > >If this is not what you have done I recommend the following: >regenerate the iptables script using system-config-securitylevel, >allowing for http, https, ssh and port 3128 and ftp if you have an ftp >server. > >after this is done make a backup copy: cp /etc/sysconfig/iptables >/etc/sysconfig/iptables.old > >on the command line type: >iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT >--to-port 3128 > >if this is accepted then you can type: >iptables-save >/etc/sysconfig/iptables > >and Finlay restart iptables: /etc/init.d/iptables restart > > >now using the system-config-securitylevel tool will over write this, >that is why I like to write my own firewall script and place it into the >startup. > >I apologize if you have done all of this and already know it. > >Cory > > > > >On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 16:20, KJ wrote: > > >>My turn to ask the dumb questions. you mean the contents of >>/etc/sysconfig/iptables right? >>If so, it's below. >>Thanks again!!! >> >>---------------- >># Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel >># Manual customization of this file is not recommended. >>#*filter >>#:INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] >>#:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] >>#:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] >>#:RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] >>#-A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT >>#-A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j >>ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited >>#COMMIT >> >>*nat >>:PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] >>-A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 >>COMMIT >>----------------------- >> >>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:26, Cory Cartwright wrote: >> >> >>>to answer you last question, you are not changing the source address, >>>so the request is still coming from the client, as far as the router is >>>concerned. >>> >>>could you send your iptables script? >>> >>>Cory >>>corycartwright at sbcglobal.net >>> >>> >>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:12, KJ wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hey Cory, >>>>Yes the clients are still being sent to the internet. I am setup as such: >>>>Server w/ eth0 (internal) setup with 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 and >>>>DHCP'ing to the clients (only 1 currently connected). >>>> >>>>same box w/ eth1 (external) connected to my internal network w/ a DHCP >>>>assigned address from my router of 192.168.2.17/255.255.255.0 >>>> >>>>from your question I changed (briefly) my network to 10. etc. and >>>>re-initialized the NIC, no change in behavior. >>>> >>>>I'm having a disconnect in my mind of how the logic of this works. If I >>>>have a Terminal session going to the LTSP/Squid server how is the >>>>iptables entry supposed to route the traffic, doesn't the LTSP/Squid box >>>>see the page requests as originating from itself and just plain route >>>>them to the outside? >>>> >>>>Thanks! >>>>KJ >>>> >>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>the clients still get natted to the internet? What is the ip range for >>>>>the other interface? Is it the same subnet? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:38, KJ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I must have something setup incorrectly. I used -s >>>>>>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i eth0) from the entry and >>>>>>it's still not doing anything. >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm baffled. >>>>>>Thanks for your insight. >>>>>>KJ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING to filter based on source >>>>>>>17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i >>>>>>>good luck! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Cory >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my internal LAN. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to serve my 10 computers. It has >>>>>>>>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin clients and the other is >>>>>>>>connected to my internal LAN (which the teachers are on) The LTSP >>>>>>>>sessions are the ones that I am attempting to route into squidguard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Maybe this is my problem, I have the requests coming in from the thin >>>>>>>>clients, the server thinks it is coming from itself and routes it out to >>>>>>>>the internet. does that make sense? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>thanks again! >>>>>>>>KJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe >>>>>>>>>instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and >>>>>>>>>remove -i eth0 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Cory >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From robark at telus.net Wed Nov 17 04:31:44 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:31:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool && sound in IceWM Message-ID: <419AD430.3020508@telus.net> Running 3.1.2 I had to install the following packages to satisfy dependencies of Teachertool tk tix tcl itcl tkinter and finally teachertool TeacherTool now works but I can't do the "watchteacher" feature where you run a demo for the clients. I am using icewm so I dug up some info from the list and changed /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM to xhost +192.168.0.254 #which is the ip of the server . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh at the top of the file. But I still get ========================================== Xlib: connection to "ws107.ltsp:0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified Error: Can't open display: ws107.ltsp:0.0 ========================================== I actually was able to run a program on the client but "run vnc" button did not work so I could not control it. It sure would be nice if there were some docs that came with teachertool package. Also the teachertool script refers to a passwd file in /usr/local/share but no such file exists. By the way I can't get sound in the clients with nasd IF they log into icewm but gnome works fine. I can't even run aumix under icewm. It says "error opening mixer" I really like icewm so I want to fix this. And yes I did follow the wiki as you see above. Robert Arkiletian From ddaniels at magic.fr Wed Nov 17 06:52:27 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:52:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool && sound in IceWM In-Reply-To: <419AD430.3020508@telus.net> References: <419AD430.3020508@telus.net> Message-ID: <419AF52B.9040300@magic.fr> Could you supply a link to this TeacherTool for reading? I'm intrigued :) dgd Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Running 3.1.2 I had to install the following packages to satisfy > dependencies of Teachertool > > tk > tix > tcl > itcl > tkinter > > and finally teachertool > > TeacherTool now works but I can't do the "watchteacher" feature where > you run a demo for the clients. > I am using icewm so I dug up some info from the list and changed > /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM > to > > xhost +192.168.0.254 #which is the ip of the server > . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh > > at the top of the file. But I still get > > ========================================== > Xlib: connection to "ws107.ltsp:0.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > > Error: Can't open display: ws107.ltsp:0.0 > ========================================== > > I actually was able to run a program on the client but "run vnc" button > did not work so I could not control it. It sure would be nice if there > were some docs that came with teachertool package. Also the teachertool > script refers to a passwd file in /usr/local/share but no such file exists. > > By the way I can't get sound in the clients with nasd IF they log into > icewm but gnome works fine. I can't even run aumix under icewm. It says > "error opening mixer" I really like icewm so I want to fix this. And yes > I did follow the wiki as you see above. > > Robert Arkiletian > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From andyr at wizzy.com Wed Nov 17 13:13:42 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:13:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients In-Reply-To: <4199FD76.6000601@inlandlakes.org> References: <932609800411152037d9412d9@mail.gmail.com> <4199FD76.6000601@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20041117131342.GB16535@wizzy.com> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > Have you tried installing yellowdog linux, or the new mandrake ppc? If > you can get the computer running linux and X, the rest is easy. Another linux ppc distro, quite new, is ubuntulinux.org Cheers, Andy! From skossakoski at sau16.org Wed Nov 17 13:28:01 2004 From: skossakoski at sau16.org (Steve Kossakoski) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:28:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP access Message-ID: Has anyone enabled FTP (or WebDav) access to students' home folders on a K12LTSP server? Is there a how-to available? Thanks, Steve From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Wed Nov 17 13:38:16 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:38:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100655754.2724.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41991E26.7000707@myrealbox.com> <4892876104111513273f77c7fd@mail.gmail.com> <41992016.2020409@myrealbox.com> <1100568938.3382.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A269E.7050804@myrealbox.com> <1100623030.2724.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A4923.3050306@myrealbox.com> <1100634461.2724.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <419A5F34.70909@myrealbox.com> <1100636797.2724.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100639837.4036.1.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> <1100655754.2724.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <419B5448.5030107@myrealbox.com> I have followed your instructions to the letter to no avail. The thing that baffles me is that if I set the browser in the LTSP terminal session to 127.0.0.1 port 3128 as the proxy it blocks sites as promised, however the settings here do not. These settings are working for you and others for LTSP and squid/squidguard running on the same box, yes? Thanks again! KJ Cory Cartwright wrote: > ok,, was this all commented out manually? > Where you type in the PREROUTING command by hand or putting it in this > script? > > If this is not what you have done I recommend the following: > regenerate the iptables script using system-config-securitylevel, > allowing for http, https, ssh and port 3128 and ftp if you have an ftp > server. > > after this is done make a backup copy: cp /etc/sysconfig/iptables > /etc/sysconfig/iptables.old > > on the command line type: > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT > --to-port 3128 > > if this is accepted then you can type: > iptables-save >/etc/sysconfig/iptables > > and Finlay restart iptables: /etc/init.d/iptables restart > > > now using the system-config-securitylevel tool will over write this, > that is why I like to write my own firewall script and place it into the > startup. > > I apologize if you have done all of this and already know it. > > Cory > > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 16:20, KJ wrote: > >>My turn to ask the dumb questions. you mean the contents of >>/etc/sysconfig/iptables right? >>If so, it's below. >>Thanks again!!! >> >>---------------- >># Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel >># Manual customization of this file is not recommended. >>#*filter >>#:INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] >>#:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] >>#:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] >>#:RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] >>#-A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT >>#-A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j >>ACCEPT >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited >>#COMMIT >> >>*nat >>:PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] >>-A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 >>COMMIT >>----------------------- >> >>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:26, Cory Cartwright wrote: >> >>>to answer you last question, you are not changing the source address, >>>so the request is still coming from the client, as far as the router is >>>concerned. >>> >>>could you send your iptables script? >>> >>>Cory >>>corycartwright at sbcglobal.net >>> >>> >>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:12, KJ wrote: >>> >>>>Hey Cory, >>>>Yes the clients are still being sent to the internet. I am setup as such: >>>>Server w/ eth0 (internal) setup with 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 and >>>>DHCP'ing to the clients (only 1 currently connected). >>>> >>>>same box w/ eth1 (external) connected to my internal network w/ a DHCP >>>>assigned address from my router of 192.168.2.17/255.255.255.0 >>>> >>>>from your question I changed (briefly) my network to 10. etc. and >>>>re-initialized the NIC, no change in behavior. >>>> >>>>I'm having a disconnect in my mind of how the logic of this works. If I >>>>have a Terminal session going to the LTSP/Squid server how is the >>>>iptables entry supposed to route the traffic, doesn't the LTSP/Squid box >>>>see the page requests as originating from itself and just plain route >>>>them to the outside? >>>> >>>>Thanks! >>>>KJ >>>> >>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>the clients still get natted to the internet? What is the ip range for >>>>>the other interface? Is it the same subnet? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:38, KJ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I must have something setup incorrectly. I used -s >>>>>>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i eth0) from the entry and >>>>>>it's still not doing anything. >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm baffled. >>>>>>Thanks for your insight. >>>>>>KJ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING to filter based on source >>>>>>>17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i >>>>>>>good luck! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Cory >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my internal LAN. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to serve my 10 computers. It has >>>>>>>>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin clients and the other is >>>>>>>>connected to my internal LAN (which the teachers are on) The LTSP >>>>>>>>sessions are the ones that I am attempting to route into squidguard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Maybe this is my problem, I have the requests coming in from the thin >>>>>>>>clients, the server thinks it is coming from itself and routes it out to >>>>>>>>the internet. does that make sense? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>thanks again! >>>>>>>>KJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is eth0 you internal LAN? Maybe >>>>>>>>>instead specify the address -s 172.x.x.x/xx (put your subnet in) and >>>>>>>>>remove -i eth0 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Cory >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Nov 17 14:13:17 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:13:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419B5C7D.1020707@cox.net> Avoid FTP whenever possible. Clear text = security problems. You can use ssh on the server (already enabled with k12ltsp) and forward port 22 through your firewall. On the client, kids can use WinSCP on windows or Konqueror with fish:// on Linux. Luis Steve Kossakoski wrote: >Has anyone enabled FTP (or WebDav) access to students' home folders on >a K12LTSP server? Is there a how-to available? >Thanks, >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 17 13:44:28 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:44:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool && sound in IceWM In-Reply-To: <419AF52B.9040300@magic.fr> References: <419AD430.3020508@telus.net> <419AF52B.9040300@magic.fr> Message-ID: <419B55BC.9050109@earthlink.net> At the very bottom of this, I pasted a copy of the email that contains the link to the how-to written by David Trask. I forwarded it to myself at work so that I could do it. I still haven't managed to, but have plans with my counterpart at school on diving into getting this to work on Friday. Hopefully someone will shed some light on the problems Robert is having so that I'll have an easy go of it on Friday, time permitting. We are using 4.1.0 so I'm not sure if we will encounter the same, or more issues. Rita Gibson RMSEL Tech Dennis Daniels wrote: > Could you supply a link to this TeacherTool for reading? I'm intrigued :) > > dgd > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> Running 3.1.2 I had to install the following packages to satisfy >> dependencies of Teachertool >> >> tk >> tix >> tcl >> itcl >> tkinter >> >> and finally teachertool >> >> TeacherTool now works but I can't do the "watchteacher" feature where >> you run a demo for the clients. >> I am using icewm so I dug up some info from the list and changed >> /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM >> to >> >> xhost +192.168.0.254 #which is the ip of the server >> . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh >> >> at the top of the file. But I still get >> >> ========================================== >> Xlib: connection to "ws107.ltsp:0.0" refused by server >> Xlib: No protocol specified >> >> Error: Can't open display: ws107.ltsp:0.0 >> ========================================== >> >> I actually was able to run a program on the client but "run vnc" >> button did not work so I could not control it. It sure would be nice >> if there were some docs that came with teachertool package. Also the >> teachertool script refers to a passwd file in /usr/local/share but no >> such file exists. >> >> By the way I can't get sound in the clients with nasd IF they log >> into icewm but gnome works fine. I can't even run aumix under icewm. >> It says "error opening mixer" I really like icewm so I want to fix >> this. And yes I did follow the wiki as you see above. >> >> Robert Arkiletian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 17 13:50:02 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:50:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool && sound in IceWM In-Reply-To: <419AF52B.9040300@magic.fr> References: <419AD430.3020508@telus.net> <419AF52B.9040300@magic.fr> Message-ID: <419B570A.2090109@earthlink.net> Ooops. At the very bottom of this, I pasted a copy of the email in the thread that contains the link to the how-to written by David Trask. I forwarded it to myself at work so that I could do it. I still haven't managed to, but have plans with my counterpart at school on diving into getting this to work on Friday. Hopefully someone will shed some light on the problems Robert is having so that I'll have an easy go of it on Friday, time permitting. We are using 4.1.0 so I'm not sure if we will encounter the same, or more issues. Rita Gibson RMSEL Tech Dennis Daniels wrote: > Could you supply a link to this TeacherTool for reading? I'm intrigued :) > > dgd > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> Running 3.1.2 I had to install the following packages to satisfy >> dependencies of Teachertool >> >> tk >> tix >> tcl >> itcl >> tkinter >> >> and finally teachertool >> >> TeacherTool now works but I can't do the "watchteacher" feature where >> you run a demo for the clients. >> I am using icewm so I dug up some info from the list and changed >> /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM >> to >> >> xhost +192.168.0.254 #which is the ip of the server >> . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh >> >> at the top of the file. But I still get >> >> ========================================== >> Xlib: connection to "ws107.ltsp:0.0" refused by server >> Xlib: No protocol specified >> >> Error: Can't open display: ws107.ltsp:0.0 >> ========================================== >> >> I actually was able to run a program on the client but "run vnc" >> button did not work so I could not control it. It sure would be nice >> if there were some docs that came with teachertool package. Also the >> teachertool script refers to a passwd file in /usr/local/share but no >> such file exists. >> >> By the way I can't get sound in the clients with nasd IF they log >> into icewm but gnome works fine. I can't even run aumix under icewm. >> It says "error opening mixer" I really like icewm so I want to fix >> this. And yes I did follow the wiki as you see above. >> >> Robert Arkiletian >> >> > (HOWTO) This is already possible with vncreflector....I know as I've done it...here's the how-to (it integrates with TeacherTool) http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/vncreflector/ file are in here. "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 8:19 AM +0000 wrote: >Martin Woolley wrote: > >>On Thursday 04 Nov 2004 12:55 am, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >>>Here are the initial wish-list items. Keep'em coming! >>> >>> >> >>One thing the teachers here would like is the ability to mirror one X >session >>onto a selcted number of other X sessions. Let me explain. The teacher >runs >>a thin client just as the classroom full of students do. The teacher >would >>like to bring up say a ooimpress presentation on their session and have >it >>display on all of the students machines at the same time, so that the >entrie >>class can view the presentation. Currently they are using projects for >this >>but the teachers reckon they would get more attention if the lesson was >>presented directly on the kids vdus. >> >>If this could be made to work, which it probably could but I have no >idea of >>how, then the reverse could be done, ie the teacher could monitor one or >more >>vdus and take control of them if necessary >> >> >I can second this request! I am subbing this week in the technology lab >-- I really could have used something like this in the middle of a 24 >student lab class! I realized many of the kids didn't know how to select >a section of a spreadsheet and turn it into a chart/graph. What a >nightmare to try to explain this, unable to "show" them how to do it -- >magically if I could have launched the application and demonstrated on >their monitors..... Wow! (Of course we can't afford an overhead >projector in the lab. I've tried all week to find an optimal place to >put a projector and a workstation, if we had one (borrowed a portable), >and I decided you have to practically plan your lab around it.) > >And then the itty bitty kids. How do you teach kindergarten kids how to >open openoffice and start a drawing without a visual? OMG! > >I know I had some big kids playing some games they weren't supposed to, >dropping the apps down on the taskbar when I came around, however, I had >too much else going on to get through the class to really worry about it >until afterward. I don't know how teachers do this everyday! From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 17 13:52:47 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:52:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100699566.6157.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 07:28, Steve Kossakoski wrote: > Has anyone enabled FTP (or WebDav) access to students' home folders on > a K12LTSP server? Is there a how-to available? There is a gui tool somewhere for controlling services but: service vsftpd start will start it up and chkconfig --level 345 vsftpd on will set it to start automatically at boot up The default settings allow users to cd anywhere with permissions controlled by the filesystem (the same as if they logged in). An alternative would be to use scp or from windows the GUI winscp http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/ which will work with the server's sshd that is running by default on both interfaces. The home folders are also samba-shared so they can easily be mapped by windows or mac OSX clients. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Nov 17 14:46:00 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:46:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool && sound in IceWM In-Reply-To: <419B570A.2090109@earthlink.net> References: <419AD430.3020508@telus.net> <419AF52B.9040300@magic.fr> <419B570A.2090109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 8:50 AM +0000 wrote: >We are using 4.1.0 so I'm not sure if we will >encounter the same, or more issues. It'll be easier...Teachertool (as of 4.0) is part of the K12LTSP distro...the package is on the discs (not sure which one though) and it's in the repository...hence the dependencies are satisfied. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 17 14:40:55 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:40:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool && sound in IceWM In-Reply-To: References: <419AD430.3020508@telus.net> <419AF52B.9040300@magic.fr> <419B570A.2090109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1100702455.6157.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 08:46, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 8:50 AM +0000 wrote: > >We are using 4.1.0 so I'm not sure if we will > >encounter the same, or more issues. > > It'll be easier...Teachertool (as of 4.0) is part of the K12LTSP > distro...the package is on the discs (not sure which one though) and it's > in the repository...hence the dependencies are satisfied. You need to install through yum or apt-get to automatically follow dependencies. It may already be installed, though. Note that the package is called teachertool but the program is TeacherTool. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Nov 17 14:52:50 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:52:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods Message-ID: I know this subject has been out there before, but now it's my turn. I had my Samba/LDAP server go down (not totally, but I couldn't get myself out of the mess...so....) I thought I had made good backups with Mondo, but when I went to use it....it wouldn't work. So....I'm wondering about some easy ways to do an entire bare metal backup of my server. I have plenty of space on an NFS share with a full gigabit link between both servers. My Samba/LDAP server does have 4 drives that are RAID'ed in various manners....(ie: RAID 0 for Swap....RAID 1 for /home....etc) How can I back this up? I'm open to anything from simple "tar" and "dd" to using another program...to somehow using Mondo correctly..... In Mondo I created ISO's and put them on the NFS share....I burned disc one and loaded it in the server, but no go.....it told me my CD was "eccentric" and to use the floppies....and the floppies were'nt recognized....(the device not recognized...but it works fine)....????? At this point I'm rebuilding and then I'll put the home dirs back, but planning for "next time" David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Nov 17 14:54:20 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:54:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients In-Reply-To: <20041117131342.GB16535@wizzy.com> References: <932609800411152037d9412d9@mail.gmail.com> < > <4199FD76.6000601@inlandlakes.org> <20041117131342.GB16535@wizzy.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 8:13 AM +0000 wrote: >ubuntulinux.org Ubuntu ROCKS! It's worth look...very slick. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Nov 17 14:55:10 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:55:10 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients Message-ID: <200411171411.iAHEBiW27849@downeast.net> gonna be tough sledding with 32 meg of raam....David: don't forget to share your nx notes,pretty please...chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 8:13 AM +0000 wrote: > >ubuntulinux.org > > Ubuntu ROCKS! It's worth look...very slick. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From will.scurrell at bcuc.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 14:59:51 2004 From: will.scurrell at bcuc.ac.uk (Will Scurrell) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:59:51 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP access In-Reply-To: <419B5C7D.1020707@cox.net> Message-ID: <200411171459.OAA02540@deborah.buckscol.ac.uk> FileZilla also supports SFTP, and can mix this with FTP on other servers without the user knowing! Ive found this very usefull as I have yet to sort annonymous SFTP -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Luis Montes Sent: 17 November 2004 14:13 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FTP access Avoid FTP whenever possible. Clear text = security problems. You can use ssh on the server (already enabled with k12ltsp) and forward port 22 through your firewall. On the client, kids can use WinSCP on windows or Konqueror with fish:// on Linux. Luis Steve Kossakoski wrote: >Has anyone enabled FTP (or WebDav) access to students' home folders on >a K12LTSP server? Is there a how-to available? >Thanks, >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From haysja at sages.us Wed Nov 17 15:07:37 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:07:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients In-Reply-To: References: <932609800411152037d9412d9@mail.gmail.com> < > <4199FD76.6000601@inlandlakes.org> <20041117131342.GB16535@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <419B6939.9050201@sages.us> David In reading the Ubuntu site on the ppc side of things, it says that the CD won't boot with anything older than an iMac. Do you have it running on a Beige G3 All-in-one or a 5xxx series PPC? David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 8:13 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>ubuntulinux.org >> >> > >Ubuntu ROCKS! It's worth look...very slick. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Nov 17 15:19:52 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:19:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients In-Reply-To: <419B6939.9050201@sages.us> References: <932609800411152037d9412d9@mail.gmail.com> < > <4199FD76.6000601@inlandlakes.org> <20041117131342.GB16535@wizzy.com> <419B6939.9050201@sages.us> Message-ID: <419B6C18.2000407@inlandlakes.org> Jim Hays wrote: > In reading the Ubuntu site on the ppc side of things, it says that the > CD won't boot with anything older than an iMac. Do you have it running > on a Beige G3 All-in-one or a 5xxx series PPC? None of the pre-fruity macs will boot installer cds (ok, there are some exceptions, but for the most part it's a rule) -- you have to install a mac partition first. It's possible ubuntu was not designed to work that way, and might be a challenge to install. I know yellowdog 3 has intructions on their manual about how to install it on older machines... That's what I did. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed Nov 17 15:21:19 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:21:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419B6C6F.8070408@criticalcontrol.com> David Trask wrote: >I know this subject has been out there before, but now it's my turn. I >had my Samba/LDAP server go down (not totally, but I couldn't get myself >out of the mess...so....) I thought I had made good backups with Mondo, >but when I went to use it....it wouldn't work. So....I'm wondering about >some easy ways to do an entire bare metal backup of my server. I have >plenty of space on an NFS share with a full gigabit link between both >servers. My Samba/LDAP server does have 4 drives that are RAID'ed in >various manners....(ie: RAID 0 for Swap....RAID 1 for /home....etc) How >can I back this up? I'm open to anything from simple "tar" and "dd" to >using another program...to somehow using Mondo correctly..... In Mondo I >created ISO's and put them on the NFS share....I burned disc one and >loaded it in the server, but no go.....it told me my CD was "eccentric" >and to use the floppies....and the floppies were'nt recognized....(the >device not recognized...but it works fine)....????? At this point I'm >rebuilding and then I'll put the home dirs back, but planning for "next >time" > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > I use ghost for linux http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l/ Due to the setup I don't have to back-up user data from the linux box. So restore the image and yum update is enough to get things going. Peter From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 17 15:46:33 2004 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (CORY CARTWRIGHT) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:46:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <419B5448.5030107@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20041117154633.99886.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> These are working for me, and I even started from a fresh system last night and followed the directions I gave you. Ok, one more question, I'm correct in saying that this server is the only Ethernet connection to the other network? They are not on the same hubs? and their default route is this system? The part that bothers me is that the clients requests are being forwarded and masqueraded to the "external" interface. This does not need to happen with a proxy. I think if you can find out how this is happening you can find your problem. From you iptables-save output it does not look like this should be happening. You should also be able to turn off forwarding.(although I have not tried that). Cory --- KJ wrote: > I have followed your instructions to the letter to > no avail. > > The thing that baffles me is that if I set the > browser in the LTSP > terminal session to 127.0.0.1 port 3128 as the proxy > it blocks sites as > promised, however the settings here do not. > > These settings are working for you and others for > LTSP and > squid/squidguard running on the same box, yes? > > Thanks again! > KJ > > Cory Cartwright wrote: > > > ok,, was this all commented out manually? > > Where you type in the PREROUTING command by hand > or putting it in this > > script? > > > > If this is not what you have done I recommend the > following: > > regenerate the iptables script using > system-config-securitylevel, > > allowing for http, https, ssh and port 3128 and > ftp if you have an ftp > > server. > > > > after this is done make a backup copy: cp > /etc/sysconfig/iptables > > /etc/sysconfig/iptables.old > > > > on the command line type: > > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp > --dport 80 -j REDIRECT > > --to-port 3128 > > > > if this is accepted then you can type: > > iptables-save >/etc/sysconfig/iptables > > > > and Finlay restart iptables: /etc/init.d/iptables > restart > > > > > > now using the system-config-securitylevel tool > will over write this, > > that is why I like to write my own firewall script > and place it into the > > startup. > > > > I apologize if you have done all of this and > already know it. > > > > Cory > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 16:20, KJ wrote: > > > >>My turn to ask the dumb questions. you mean the > contents of > >>/etc/sysconfig/iptables right? > >>If so, it's below. > >>Thanks again!!! > >> > >>---------------- > >># Firewall configuration written by > system-config-securitylevel > >># Manual customization of this file is not > recommended. > >>#*filter > >>#:INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > >>#:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] > >>#:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > >>#:RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] > >>#-A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT > >>#-A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT > >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT > >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT > >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j > ACCEPT > >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT > >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT > >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state > ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m > tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j > >>ACCEPT > >>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with > icmp-host-prohibited > >>#COMMIT > >> > >>*nat > >>:PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] > >>-A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j > REDIRECT --to-port 3128 > >>COMMIT > >>----------------------- > >> > >>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:26, Cory Cartwright > wrote: > >> > >>>to answer you last question, you are not > changing the source address, > >>>so the request is still coming from the client, > as far as the router is > >>>concerned. > >>> > >>>could you send your iptables script? > >>> > >>>Cory > >>>corycartwright at sbcglobal.net > >>> > >>> > >>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:12, KJ wrote: > >>> > >>>>Hey Cory, > >>>>Yes the clients are still being sent to the > internet. I am setup as such: > >>>>Server w/ eth0 (internal) setup with > 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 and > >>>>DHCP'ing to the clients (only 1 currently > connected). > >>>> > >>>>same box w/ eth1 (external) connected to my > internal network w/ a DHCP > >>>>assigned address from my router of > 192.168.2.17/255.255.255.0 > >>>> > >>>>from your question I changed (briefly) my > network to 10. etc. and > >>>>re-initialized the NIC, no change in behavior. > >>>> > >>>>I'm having a disconnect in my mind of how the > logic of this works. If I > >>>>have a Terminal session going to the LTSP/Squid > server how is the > >>>>iptables entry supposed to route the traffic, > doesn't the LTSP/Squid box > >>>>see the page requests as originating from itself > and just plain route > >>>>them to the outside? > >>>> > >>>>Thanks! > >>>>KJ > >>>> > >>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>the clients still get natted to the internet? > What is the ip range for > >>>>>the other interface? Is it the same subnet? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:38, KJ wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>I must have something setup incorrectly. I > used -s > >>>>>>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i > eth0) from the entry and > >>>>>>it's still not doing anything. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I'm baffled. > >>>>>>Thanks for your insight. > >>>>>>KJ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING > to filter based on source > >>>>>>>17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i > >>>>>>>good luck! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Cory > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my > internal LAN. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to > serve my 10 computers. It has > >>>>>>>>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin > clients and the other is > >>>>>>>>connected to my internal LAN (which the > teachers are on) The LTSP > >>>>>>>>sessions are the ones that I am attempting > to === message truncated === From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 17 16:30:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:30:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 08:52, David Trask wrote: > I thought I had made good backups with Mondo, > but when I went to use it....it wouldn't work. So....I'm wondering about > some easy ways to do an entire bare metal backup of my server. I repeat this a couple of times a month here, but get backuppc http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ running on something that has at least 20% of the disk space you think you should need to hold a week's worth of backups. (Compression and linking save a lot of space). > I have > plenty of space on an NFS share with a full gigabit link between both > servers. I'd go with a big cheap IDE drive and back up your nfs server too, but this will work if you don't have other space available. A bare-metal restore from backuppc is kind of brute-force command line stuff at this point but it can be done from a knoppix or similar CD boot which gives you a lot more chances to get it right than a canned system like mondo. Also, you can't beat the ease of grabbing single files or directories from it and since it runs automatically you'll always have an up to date copy. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 17 16:43:21 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:43:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <419B7FA9.3090108@paasda.org> Les does repeat this almost weekly... Oh the patience of Job this man must have! And/Or...it's a REALLY REALLY GREAT method of backup... So, after going 1/2 the year without backup on the k12ltsp server... I guess I'll have to "find" the time somewhere to build a junker backuppc box... hopefully RAM and CPU power isn't necessary... --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: >I repeat this a couple of times a month here, but get backuppc > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ >running on something that has at least 20% of the disk space you >think you should need to hold a week's worth of backups. (Compression >and linking save a lot of space). > From haysja at sages.us Wed Nov 17 16:48:07 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:48:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients In-Reply-To: <419B6C18.2000407@inlandlakes.org> References: <932609800411152037d9412d9@mail.gmail.com> < > <4199FD76.6000601@inlandlakes.org> <20041117131342.GB16535@wizzy.com> <419B6939.9050201@sages.us> <419B6C18.2000407@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <419B80C7.6080901@sages.us> Thanks, Shawn. My old tech - he quit about 4 months ago - was working with this. I have not been able to spend the time needed to get it working. (Not a huge need but I do have some old Macs running around that I would like to use as clients.) Shawn Powers wrote: > Jim Hays wrote: > >> In reading the Ubuntu site on the ppc side of things, it says that >> the CD won't boot with anything older than an iMac. Do you have it >> running on a Beige G3 All-in-one or a 5xxx series PPC? > > > None of the pre-fruity macs will boot installer cds (ok, there are > some exceptions, but for the most part it's a rule) -- you have to > install a mac partition first. It's possible ubuntu was not designed > to work that way, and might be a challenge to install. > > I know yellowdog 3 has intructions on their manual about how to > install it on older machines... That's what I did. > -Shawn > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Nov 17 16:58:17 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:58:17 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients Message-ID: <200411171614.iAHGEoW18367@downeast.net> the 5260 will work as a chubby client to ltsp with a dayna card instead of the default soniccard..new world beige machines will netboot from linux as a true thin client..fruities and chicklets wont't .....yet..chuck > Thanks, Shawn. My old tech - he quit about 4 months ago - was working > with this. I have not been able to spend the time needed to get it > working. (Not a huge need but I do have some old Macs running around > that I would like to use as clients.) > > > Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Jim Hays wrote: > > > >> In reading the Ubuntu site on the ppc side of things, it says that > >> the CD won't boot with anything older than an iMac. Do you have it > >> running on a Beige G3 All-in-one or a 5xxx series PPC? > > > > > > None of the pre-fruity macs will boot installer cds (ok, there are > > some exceptions, but for the most part it's a rule) -- you have to > > install a mac partition first. It's possible ubuntu was not designed > > to work that way, and might be a challenge to install. > > > > I know yellowdog 3 has intructions on their manual about how to > > install it on older machines... That's what I did. > > -Shawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 17 17:17:23 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:17:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <419B87A3.4000306@paasda.org> Hrm... Backuppc looks even more juicy than Les led on... Looks like it makes backing up an entire network of workstations/servers fairly easy! (once everything is set-up for it) What intrigues me more, is I have a lab of 22 machines(all exact same image) for teaching. Currently I build one machine install everything and configure how the teacher needs/likes it... then I make an image with Ghost and then push the image onto all of the remaining 21 machines..all at once. So about 20 minutes later the lab is complete and ready to go... Backuppc does not appear to do this sort of 'multicasting'. Or am I wrong? (is this the 'bare metal' type of restore you were addressing below?) But I must say for all of the individual teacher's office and administration PC's this is gunna be HEAVEN. Instead of a ghost image for each machine*not done*(or no backup unless they put files on the server where they SHOULD), with pooling and compression it looks like less than 40 gigs of space will be taken up for ALL of the windows pc backups =) Looks like a couple days worth of work to get it working properly, but after that heaven! --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 08:52, David Trask wrote: > > >>I thought I had made good backups with Mondo, >>but when I went to use it....it wouldn't work. So....I'm wondering about >>some easy ways to do an entire bare metal backup of my server. >> >> > >I repeat this a couple of times a month here, but get backuppc > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ >running on something that has at least 20% of the disk space you >think you should need to hold a week's worth of backups. (Compression >and linking save a lot of space). > > > >>I have >>plenty of space on an NFS share with a full gigabit link between both >>servers. >> >> > >I'd go with a big cheap IDE drive and back up your nfs server too, >but this will work if you don't have other space available. > >A bare-metal restore from backuppc is kind of brute-force command line >stuff at this point but it can be done from a knoppix or similar CD >boot which gives you a lot more chances to get it right than a canned >system like mondo. Also, you can't beat the ease of grabbing single >files or directories from it and since it runs automatically you'll >always have an up to date copy. > > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Nov 17 17:24:55 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:24:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1100712295.29854.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 10:30 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > I repeat this a couple of times a month here, but get backuppc > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ Les, Have you seen a .spec file or a SRPM around for this? My co-worker found an RPM, but that conflicts w/ chkconfig (!). I've struck out on Google. -- Dan Young dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Parkrose School District Phone: 503-408-2734 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Nov 17 18:03:08 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:03:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <1100712295.29854.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1100712295.29854.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <419B925C.5010604@inlandlakes.org> Dan Young wrote: > Have you seen a .spec file or a SRPM around for this? My co-worker found > an RPM, but that conflicts w/ chkconfig (!). I've struck out on Google. Another option, if this is a junker backup computer, what I did was to isntall Debian Testing, and just apt-get install backuppc. I had to then copy 1 file to /etc/apache/conf.d -- and that was it. Just a thought... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Nov 17 18:09:09 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:09:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients In-Reply-To: <200411171614.iAHGEoW18367@downeast.net> References: <200411171614.iAHGEoW18367@downeast.net> Message-ID: <419B93C5.9000107@inlandlakes.org> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > new world beige machines will netboot from linux as > a true thin client..fruities and chicklets wont't .....yet..chuck Have you gotten actual "linux" to boot on them, or just netboot MacOS via a linux server. I've done the latter, but not the former... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Wed Nov 17 18:21:03 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:21:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] *INEXPENSIVE* mobo/cpu options? In-Reply-To: <419A9716.6060209@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <419A5D2F.5070802@physics.isu.edu> <419A9716.6060209@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <419B968F.5020009@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > I've tried Dell Optiplex PII machines in the past, but mind you, they > had SoundBlaster16 sound cards in them. I know that all the other > hardware works just fine; our Optiplexes use 3Com 3C905 network > chipsets and ATI 3D Rage video chipsets in them--all stuff that's > LTSP-friendly. > > --TP yes. i've purchased several Dell Optiplex GX1 and GX100 boxes in the past that worked just fine and they even have PXE booting (the GX1's)! i haven't been able to configure sound on these boxes yet, but haven't spent much time on them. i wish i could find some more of them... > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > >> Richard (et al.): >> >> I have come to LTSP with a background of selling used computers for 16 >> years. Our primary line is the Dell Optiplex. We like them since >> they have lifetime tech support from Dell and are extremely >> well-built, using the same components over long periods of time. >> >> Since I haven't yet tackled the sound issue, I'd be interested in >> sending someone a test unit who is familiar with sound to see how the >> Optiplexes do in that regard. I'm personally working on an Optiplex >> P1-166 as my workstation for my home-office, and I use an Optiplex >> small form factor 866 when I go out and do demonstrations. >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:03:59 -0700, Ben Nickell >> wrote: >> >> >>> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> i may just buy refurbished IBM NetVista's online: ... >>>> >>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1027007&sku=J156-2040 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Has anyone tried these boxes with K12LTSP? Do you know more details >>> about the network, video, and sound? The page doesn't mention specific >>> chipset or drivers, so I may have to buy one to try it out. >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Wed Nov 17 18:56:12 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:56:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <20041117154633.99886.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041117154633.99886.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419B9ECC.8090408@myrealbox.com> You are correct in that this server is the only connection to the other network. I have a blue cable that comes from my router to the "external" NIC (eth1) on the LTSP/squid box, a black cable that runs from my "internal" NIC (eth0) on the LTSP/squid box to a hub and a yellow cable that runs from that hub to my LTSP client that is booting from the server. Is that the correct way? It seemed logical to me. As for the default route, how would I double check that? Thanks again, I owe you huge! KJ CORY CARTWRIGHT wrote: > These are working for me, and I even started from a > fresh system last night and followed the directions I > gave you. > Ok, one more question, I'm correct in saying that this > server is the only Ethernet connection to the other > network? They are not on the same hubs? and their > default route is this system? > > The part that bothers me is that the clients requests > are being forwarded and masqueraded to the "external" > interface. This does not need to happen with a proxy. > I think if you can find out how this is happening you > can find your problem. From you iptables-save output > it does not look like this should be happening. You > should also be able to turn off forwarding.(although I > have not tried that). > > Cory > --- KJ wrote: > > >>I have followed your instructions to the letter to >>no avail. >> >>The thing that baffles me is that if I set the >>browser in the LTSP >>terminal session to 127.0.0.1 port 3128 as the proxy >>it blocks sites as >>promised, however the settings here do not. >> >>These settings are working for you and others for >>LTSP and >>squid/squidguard running on the same box, yes? >> >>Thanks again! >>KJ >> >>Cory Cartwright wrote: >> >> >>>ok,, was this all commented out manually? >>>Where you type in the PREROUTING command by hand >> >>or putting it in this >> >>>script? >>> >>>If this is not what you have done I recommend the >> >>following: >> >>>regenerate the iptables script using >> >>system-config-securitylevel, >> >>>allowing for http, https, ssh and port 3128 and >> >>ftp if you have an ftp >> >>>server. >>> >>>after this is done make a backup copy: cp >> >>/etc/sysconfig/iptables >> >>>/etc/sysconfig/iptables.old >>> >>>on the command line type: >>>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp >> >>--dport 80 -j REDIRECT >> >>>--to-port 3128 >>> >>>if this is accepted then you can type: >>>iptables-save >/etc/sysconfig/iptables >>> >>>and Finlay restart iptables: /etc/init.d/iptables >> >>restart >> >>> >>>now using the system-config-securitylevel tool >> >>will over write this, >> >>>that is why I like to write my own firewall script >> >>and place it into the >> >>>startup. >>> >>>I apologize if you have done all of this and >> >>already know it. >> >>>Cory >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 16:20, KJ wrote: >>> >>> >>>>My turn to ask the dumb questions. you mean the >> >>contents of >> >>>>/etc/sysconfig/iptables right? >>>>If so, it's below. >>>>Thanks again!!! >>>> >>>>---------------- >>>># Firewall configuration written by >> >>system-config-securitylevel >> >>>># Manual customization of this file is not >> >>recommended. >> >>>>#*filter >>>>#:INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] >>>>#:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] >>>>#:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] >>>>#:RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] >>>>#-A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT >>>>#-A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j >> >>ACCEPT >> >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state >> >>ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT >> >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m >> >>tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j >> >>>>ACCEPT >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with >> >>icmp-host-prohibited >> >>>>#COMMIT >>>> >>>>*nat >>>>:PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] >>>>-A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j >> >>REDIRECT --to-port 3128 >> >>>>COMMIT >>>>----------------------- >>>> >>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:26, Cory Cartwright >> >>wrote: >> >>>>>to answer you last question, you are not >> >>changing the source address, >> >>>>>so the request is still coming from the client, >> >>as far as the router is >> >>>>>concerned. >>>>> >>>>>could you send your iptables script? >>>>> >>>>>Cory >>>>>corycartwright at sbcglobal.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:12, KJ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hey Cory, >>>>>>Yes the clients are still being sent to the >> >>internet. I am setup as such: >> >>>>>>Server w/ eth0 (internal) setup with >> >>192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 and >> >>>>>>DHCP'ing to the clients (only 1 currently >> >>connected). >> >>>>>>same box w/ eth1 (external) connected to my >> >>internal network w/ a DHCP >> >>>>>>assigned address from my router of >> >>192.168.2.17/255.255.255.0 >> >>>>>>from your question I changed (briefly) my >> >>network to 10. etc. and >> >>>>>>re-initialized the NIC, no change in behavior. >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm having a disconnect in my mind of how the >> >>logic of this works. If I >> >>>>>>have a Terminal session going to the LTSP/Squid >> >>server how is the >> >>>>>>iptables entry supposed to route the traffic, >> >>doesn't the LTSP/Squid box >> >>>>>>see the page requests as originating from itself >> >>and just plain route >> >>>>>>them to the outside? >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks! >>>>>>KJ >>>>>> >>>>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>the clients still get natted to the internet? >> >>What is the ip range for >> >>>>>>>the other interface? Is it the same subnet? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:38, KJ wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I must have something setup incorrectly. I >> >>used -s >> >>>>>>>>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i >> >>eth0) from the entry and >> >>>>>>>>it's still not doing anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I'm baffled. >>>>>>>>Thanks for your insight. >>>>>>>>KJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING >> >>to filter based on source >> >>>>>>>>>17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i >>>>>>>>>good luck! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Cory >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my >> >>internal LAN. >> >>>>>>>>>>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to >> >>serve my 10 computers. It has >> >>>>>>>>>>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin >> >>clients and the other is >> >>>>>>>>>>connected to my internal LAN (which the >> >>teachers are on) The LTSP >> >>>>>>>>>>sessions are the ones that I am attempting >> >>to > > === message truncated === > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 17 19:21:56 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:21:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <1100712295.29854.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1100712295.29854.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1100719315.16095.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 11:24, Dan Young wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 10:30 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > > I repeat this a couple of times a month here, but get backuppc > > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ > Have you seen a .spec file or a SRPM around for this? My co-worker found > an RPM, but that conflicts w/ chkconfig (!). I've struck out on Google. No, but it is basically a single perl script and all the difficult parts involve the web server setup and configuring access to all the machines you want to back up. I've forgotten the details but I'll be happy to answer any questions here or on the backuppc list if you have any trouble with the install. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 17 19:52:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:52:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <419B87A3.4000306@paasda.org> References: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <419B87A3.4000306@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1100721124.16095.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 11:17, Huck wrote: > Hrm... Backuppc looks even more juicy than Les led on... > Looks like it makes backing up an entire network of workstations/servers > fairly easy! Better than easy - it is fully automatic and only bothers you with email when something fails. (I've always like the 'no news is good news' philosophy). > (once everything is set-up for it) That part takes a little work - but only once. > What intrigues me more, is I have a lab of 22 machines(all exact same > image) for teaching. > Currently I build one machine install everything and configure how the > teacher needs/likes it... > then I make an image with Ghost and then push the image onto all of the > remaining 21 machines..all at once. > So about 20 minutes later the lab is complete and ready to go... It (a) doesn't do disk images, and (b) doesn't multicast so there would be a little more work involved to do rollouts, but only a little. At each target machine you would have to create the partitions, run an ssh command to the backup server to get a tar image that you extract locally on each partition, then you have to issue the grub command to make the drive bootable. This would all be scriptable if you didn't have a better tool and had to do it often. For an exact disk image clone, I'd probably do a 'dd' of the raw disk over ssh. It will take much longer than ghost because it copies all the disk, not just the used parts but you can go away and do something else while it runs. > Backuppc does not appear to do this sort of 'multicasting'. Or am I wrong? > (is this the 'bare metal' type of restore you were addressing below?) It can run multiple simultaneous sessions, but each requires its own network bandwidth. The real advantage of backuppc, though, is that you will always have last-night's copy available when you need it. > But I must say for all of the individual teacher's office and > administration PC's this is gunna be HEAVEN. > Instead of a ghost image for each machine*not done*(or no backup unless > they put files on the server where they SHOULD), > with pooling and compression it looks like less than 40 gigs of space > will be taken up for ALL of the windows pc backups =) > Looks like a couple days worth of work to get it working properly, but > after that heaven! If you can arrange for the web server to authenticate an 'owner' for each of the machines, you can permit direct access too. They can easily grab a copy of files they've accidentally deleted without bothering you, and users of laptops or machines that are turned off at night can request a backup run as they leave for lunch or some convenient time. If you already have LDAP or similar network authentication in place you just have to set apache up to use it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Wed Nov 17 19:55:11 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:55:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Indirect Queries and FC2 Message-ID: A chin scratcher for me: I use the chooser and have my users pick their server. Students to the student servers, and staff to the Win4Lin servers. I just upgraded a server to FC2 and K12LTSP 4.1 (clean install). If the client connects directly no problems. The student can connect in and use FC2. If the client connects to the server first through the chooser (either on another server or on the FC2 server) - it will not connect. I get a fatal crash on the client screen with a message: Fatal server error: Caught singal 11. Server aborting..... xserver failed press to continue. Any thoughts? I can't see any other settings to adjust in gdm.conf besides those under the XDMCP section.... Thanks. From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 17 19:56:32 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:56:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <419B7FA9.3090108@paasda.org> References: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <419B7FA9.3090108@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1100721392.16095.62.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 10:43, Huck wrote: > I guess I'll have to "find" the time somewhere to build a junker > backuppc box... > hopefully RAM and CPU power isn't necessary... Do the best you can in this department. It does do quite a bit of work compressing files and finding the duplicates to link. I use my own desktop box with an extra drive installed since all the work happens at night. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Wed Nov 17 20:32:37 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:32:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Indirect Queries and FC2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >A chin scratcher for me: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/KdmChooser should have dug deeper before asking. Solution use KDM instead of GDM. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 17 21:38:11 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:38:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <419B925C.5010604@inlandlakes.org> References: <1100709008.16095.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1100712295.29854.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <419B925C.5010604@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <419BC4C3.6040501@paasda.org> reckon my skolelinux demo server would work this magic? =) --Huck Shawn Powers wrote: > Dan Young wrote: > >> Have you seen a .spec file or a SRPM around for this? My co-worker found >> an RPM, but that conflicts w/ chkconfig (!). I've struck out on Google. > > > Another option, if this is a junker backup computer, what I did was to > isntall Debian Testing, and just apt-get install backuppc. I had to > then copy 1 file to /etc/apache/conf.d -- and that was it. > > Just a thought... > > From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Wed Nov 17 21:38:49 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:38:49 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] FTP access In-Reply-To: <200411171459.OAA02540@deborah.buckscol.ac.uk> References: <200411171459.OAA02540@deborah.buckscol.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1100727529.24711.20.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:59, Will Scurrell wrote: > FileZilla also supports SFTP, and can mix this with FTP on other servers > without the user knowing! and gFTP dows that too! Works great! - eventough it's not directly in a virtual filesystem like the kde progs -- Henning Wangerin From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Wed Nov 17 22:41:47 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (Joseph Bishay) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:41:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <20041117192235.7CEFB73ED2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <419B8D5B.11272.1E0A2EF@localhost> Hello, Since we are talking about backups, I thought I'd make a comment and ask a question. Comment: I found Mondo to be excellent for straight-forward, need-to- restore-after-massive-catastrophe-off-of-CDs piece of software. Essentially the bare-bones situation. Ever couple of weeks or so (well, more like months actually) I burn off everything to CDs and stash away for the inevitable. Works perfectly. I also use it for NFS backups to a RH9 machine with a large hard drive on it. I use this for more routine /home backups on a weekly or less basis. It creates .iso images of the data on the networked drive. Here is where my question comes into play: I've had massive problems trying to restore from the NFS. Since the backups are automatic, I don't have boot-disks to use. And I can't get Mondo to point the restore command to those ISOs. It keeps crashing and not being able to find it. Is there a way to deal with this? I personally prefer Mondo's ease in setup but if you cannot restore off the NFS what's the point? I'll just use Mondo for CD backup and try BackupPC for NFS stuff. But having 2 different programs would sort of suck... Thanks, Joseph From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 17 23:00:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:00:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] uptime bug? Message-ID: <1100732404.26352.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Seems to be a bug in 'uptime' - or I guess 32 bits worth of jiffies rolls back to 0 at 497 days. I was trying to figure out how one of my main boxes could have rebooted without anyone noticing and it turns out it didn't. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed Nov 17 23:38:22 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:38:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *INEXPENSIVE* mobo/cpu options? In-Reply-To: <419B968F.5020009@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <419A5D2F.5070802@physics.isu.edu> <419A9716.6060209@cmosnetworks.com> <419B968F.5020009@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <419BE0EE.5070101@chinooksedge.ab.ca> I have used a company called AlliedTek as a source for good used Dell's. I saw they had some PII-400s in GX1's http://www.alliedtek.com/ProductSearch.cfm?ProductType=D www.cdicomputers.com also does the same thing - sell refurbished off-lease Dell computers. Joe Guenther Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> I've tried Dell Optiplex PII machines in the past, but mind you, they >> had SoundBlaster16 sound cards in them. I know that all the other >> hardware works just fine; our Optiplexes use 3Com 3C905 network >> chipsets and ATI 3D Rage video chipsets in them--all stuff that's >> LTSP-friendly. >> >> --TP > > > yes. i've purchased several Dell Optiplex GX1 and GX100 boxes in the > past that worked just fine and they even have PXE booting (the > GX1's)! i haven't been able to configure sound on these boxes yet, > but haven't spent much time on them. i wish i could find some more of > them... > >> >> Steve Hargadon wrote: >> >>> Richard (et al.): >>> >>> I have come to LTSP with a background of selling used computers for 16 >>> years. Our primary line is the Dell Optiplex. We like them since >>> they have lifetime tech support from Dell and are extremely >>> well-built, using the same components over long periods of time. >>> >>> Since I haven't yet tackled the sound issue, I'd be interested in >>> sending someone a test unit who is familiar with sound to see how the >>> Optiplexes do in that regard. I'm personally working on an Optiplex >>> P1-166 as my workstation for my home-office, and I use an Optiplex >>> small form factor 866 when I go out and do demonstrations. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:03:59 -0700, Ben Nickell >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> i may just buy refurbished IBM NetVista's online: ... >>>>> >>>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1027007&sku=J156-2040 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Has anyone tried these boxes with K12LTSP? Do you know more details >>>> about the network, video, and sound? The page doesn't mention >>>> specific >>>> chipset or drivers, so I may have to buy one to try it out. >>>> >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 23:49:26 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:49:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *INEXPENSIVE* mobo/cpu options? In-Reply-To: <419BE0EE.5070101@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <419A5D2F.5070802@physics.isu.edu> <419A9716.6060209@cmosnetworks.com> <419B968F.5020009@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <419BE0EE.5070101@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:38:22 -0700, Joe Guenther wrote: > I have used a company called AlliedTek as a source for good used Dell's. > I saw they had some PII-400s in GX1's > > http://www.alliedtek.com/ProductSearch.cfm?ProductType=D > > www.cdicomputers.com also does the same thing - sell refurbished > off-lease Dell computers. > > Joe Guenther > If you're going to showcase my competitors, I might as well give our company a plug! www.PCs4Schools.com Our speciality is the Dell Optiplex line.... Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600, ext. 711 From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Nov 18 00:53:32 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:53:32 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients Message-ID: <200411180010.iAI0A2W26760@downeast.net> > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > new world beige machines will netboot from linux as > > a true thin client..fruities and chicklets wont't .....yet..chuck > > Have you gotten actual "linux" to boot on them, or just netboot MacOS > via a linux server. I've done the latter, but not the former... > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Nov 18 00:55:57 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:55:57 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients Message-ID: <200411180012.iAI0CRW27020@downeast.net> bill cavalieri netboots to linux...and als o xeveral yellowdog guys also netboot to yellowdog linux with no macos partition.i talked to them several times about it..via yaboot..the prob is that newer ibooks have bastardized dhcp response we have not been able to duplicate..chuck > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > new world beige machines will netboot from linux as > > a true thin client..fruities and chicklets wont't .....yet..chuck > > Have you gotten actual "linux" to boot on them, or just netboot MacOS > via a linux server. I've done the latter, but not the former... > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Nov 18 00:58:49 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:58:49 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] nx Message-ID: <200411180015.iAI0FJW27362@downeast.net> forget it..i'll work the rest of it out myself..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From tuxnician at execulink.com Thu Nov 18 02:16:34 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:16:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac thin clients In-Reply-To: <200411180010.iAI0A2W26760@downeast.net> References: <200411180010.iAI0A2W26760@downeast.net> Message-ID: <419C0602.90208@execulink.com> >>Have you gotten actual "linux" to boot on them, or just netboot MacOS >>via a linux server. I've done the latter, but not the former... Hi Shawn, I just wanted to confirm that you have successfully booted MacOS via the network from linux? I would be very interested in hearing how this is working out for you. Thanks, Jason From tuxnician at execulink.com Thu Nov 18 02:22:02 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:22:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Mailing Lists In-Reply-To: <20041105191605.GB14896@sonic.net> References: <418BCFCF.4070905@execulink.com> <20041105191605.GB14896@sonic.net> Message-ID: <419C074A.1070804@execulink.com> Thanks to everyone for the list ideas. I've joined them and they are informative as well. From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Thu Nov 18 02:36:35 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:36:35 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple yes/no sound question Message-ID: <419C0AB3.2090400@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Does a k12ltsp server have to have sound installed in order for clients to have sound? Our server doesn't have a sound card but we want sound on the clients that do have sound cards. Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From robark at telus.net Thu Nov 18 02:56:43 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:56:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple yes/no sound question In-Reply-To: <419C0AB3.2090400@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <419C0AB3.2090400@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <419C0F6B.30901@telus.net> Debbie Schiel wrote: > Does a k12ltsp server have to have sound installed in order for > clients to have sound? > > Our server doesn't have a sound card but we want sound on the clients > that do have sound cards. > I have the same situation. No sound card in the server. But sound works perfectly in clients now. You just won't have sound on the server, obviously. Check this out http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Sound%20in%20IceWM%20using%20nasd Robert Arkiletian From tuxnician at execulink.com Thu Nov 18 03:16:47 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:16:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> Message-ID: <419C141F.4060206@execulink.com> Hi Bob, The idea has crossed my mind and it may happen during the winter. We had about 24 computers in one lab at a secondary school that were on a LTSP. We had a demo last year and the few that showed up enjoyed it. I also had another group look at it and some were interested. I know that I could start a computer club at the secondary school for students who want to try something different than Microsoft. I have a quest speaker in mind that knows all about the situation and would be very good at showing what Linux can do. The business teachers seemed convinced that M$ is the status-quo when I think they should be exploring other operating systems. > > hmmm, does that mean that you can't have an afterschool/study period > computer club (running LTSP of course) using donated computers that > members can use as needed. You of course are the advisor. might get the > students pushing for OSS > > Bob > From robark at telus.net Thu Nov 18 03:40:11 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:40:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419C199B.4010807@telus.net> What about buying a removable ide drive bay ($40) and a 200GB ide drive (~$120). Make partitions on it of the size of your scsi drive partitions. Then use dd to copy it over. Then if the scsi drives get borked/crash just use Toms Root Boot (which has fdisk, dd, mke2fs, mkswap) to copy things back onto new scsi drives. After this you may have to use Knoppix to run grub/lilo to setup the master boot record. Robert Arkiletian From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 18 04:27:43 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:27:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <419C199B.4010807@telus.net> References: <419C199B.4010807@telus.net> Message-ID: <1100752063.7523.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 21:40, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > What about buying a removable ide drive bay ($40) and a 200GB ide drive > (~$120). Make partitions on it of the size of your scsi drive > partitions. Then use dd to copy it over. Then if the scsi drives get > borked/crash just use Toms Root Boot (which has fdisk, dd, mke2fs, > mkswap) to copy things back onto new scsi drives. After this you may > have to use Knoppix to run grub/lilo to setup the master boot record. This would work, but for an image copy you should shut the system down and boot from CD so the contents don't change during the copy. However if you are going to do partitions separately and have to fiddle to make the drive bootable, you might as well use tar or rsync to make the copies. And if you use backuppc to automate the process you can keep a copy of every day for the past week or more on line so you can get back files even if you don't notice they are missing immediately. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at telus.net Thu Nov 18 05:22:24 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:22:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <1100752063.7523.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <419C199B.4010807@telus.net> <1100752063.7523.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <419C3190.7030907@telus.net> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 21:40, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > >>What about buying a removable ide drive bay ($40) and a 200GB ide drive >>(~$120). Make partitions on it of the size of your scsi drive >>partitions. Then use dd to copy it over. Then if the scsi drives get >>borked/crash just use Toms Root Boot (which has fdisk, dd, mke2fs, >>mkswap) to copy things back onto new scsi drives. After this you may >>have to use Knoppix to run grub/lilo to setup the master boot record. >> >> > >This would work, but for an image copy you should shut the system >down and boot from CD so the contents don't change during the >copy. > Good point. > However if you are going to do partitions separately and >have to fiddle to make the drive bootable, you might as well >use tar or rsync to make the copies. > I didn't know dd could actually clone the entire disk and not just the partitions. This site explains things: http://www.rajeevnet.com/hacks_hints/os_clone/os_cloning.html Robert Arkiletian From brian.maillists at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 07:18:50 2004 From: brian.maillists at gmail.com (Brian Benson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:18:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP/Samba roaming profiles broke! Help? In-Reply-To: <111220041502.15609.4194D0820005688F00003CF922058863609C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <111220041502.15609.4194D0820005688F00003CF922058863609C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <58defec704111723185506b9eb@mail.gmail.com> I think the answer lies within your samba logs. run `tail -f $sambalogfile` while trying to login from your win2k box to see whats happening. Also samba loging can be made more verbose when running smbd with the '-d' option. -B On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:02:26 +0000, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > All, > > I do not like bothering the list but I am at a loss on how to fix this problem. A couple of weeks back, I patched my Win2K Terminal Server, and ... roaming profiles have now stopped working, for some users, sporadically. > > I located information that indicated some new policies were added to the group policies, one of which was to check for ownership of files covered briefely at: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/45 Implementing this fixed the problem for a few days, but now some accounts are again not allowed to login, although roaming profiles did not roam, the user could log in. I am using the Samba defaults for the roaming profile setup (there is not an explicit setting in smb.conf for [Profiles] > > When logging in a user, I get Access is denied. This can be caused variously due to inability to copy a file from the user's profile on the Samba server, or "Windows cannot load your profile', or just a generic 'Access is denied' when connecting. I sometimes get a username.bak local profile cache created for the user. > > I am leery of pulling the system out of the Domain and reconnecting since I am not sure that the system would be allowed to reconnect. > > I am running Samba 2.2, which I need to upgrade to 3.0, but since I also have LDAP, the possibility of problems on the upgrade also bother me. > > Any suggestions are welcome (including finding another job ;) ). > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Parent Volunteer > Newark Charter School > Newark Delaware 19713 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robowens at myway.com Thu Nov 18 11:31:27 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:31:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] uptime bug? Message-ID: <20041118113127.9178139B2@mprdmxin.myway.com> I read in an article somewhere that this is normal behavior (not that I think it's good behavior). I can't remember the article, but it was comparing the uptime of servers running Linux, BSD, Windows, etc. -Rob --- On Wed 11/17, Les Mikesell < les at futuresource.com > wrote: From: Les Mikesell [mailto: les at futuresource.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:00:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] uptime bug? Seems to be a bug in 'uptime' - or I guess 32 bits worth of jiffies
rolls back to 0 at 497 days. I was trying to figure out how one of my
main boxes could have rebooted without anyone noticing and it turns
out it didn't.

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Nov 18 11:25:37 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 18 Nov 2004 16:55:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <4193F594.7060601@snet.net> References: <20041111102452.RMFR18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <4193F594.7060601@snet.net> Message-ID: <1100777136.18824.27.camel@bp5575> Hmmm... ok do as :- 1) open a terminal(as root or access root terminal) 2) chmod o-x /usr/bin/passwd (or where ever this executable file locates) now only "root" can execute this command 3) passwd change his password from now he and other users except "root" wont be able to set password hope this will help bimal On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 04:58, anthony baldwin wrote: > Will Hatch wrote: > > I have a disgruntled student who changed his user password and will not tell faculty what it is. I can access his home directory from root I know, but would still like to find out this password. How do I do this? I have locked his account out. Also, is there a way to make it so they cannot change their password? thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > Using Redhat-config-users you can change his password. You won't learn > what it is now, though. Or go to "system settings > users and groups". > > tony From frederik at dannemare.net Thu Nov 18 13:36:57 2004 From: frederik at dannemare.net (Frederik Dannemare) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:36:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411181436.57590.frederik@dannemare.net> On Wednesday 17 November 2004 15:52, David Trask wrote: > I know this subject has been out there before, but now it's my turn. > I had my Samba/LDAP server go down (not totally, but I couldn't get > myself out of the mess...so....) I thought I had made good backups > with Mondo, but when I went to use it....it wouldn't work. So....I'm > wondering about some easy ways to do an entire bare metal backup of > my server. I have plenty of space on an NFS share with a full > gigabit link between both servers. My Samba/LDAP server does have 4 > drives that are RAID'ed in various manners....(ie: RAID 0 for > Swap....RAID 1 for /home....etc) How can I back this up? I'm open > to anything from simple "tar" and "dd" to using another program...to > somehow using Mondo correctly..... In Mondo I created ISO's and put > them on the NFS share....I burned disc one and loaded it in the > server, but no go.....it told me my CD was "eccentric" and to use the > floppies....and the floppies were'nt recognized....(the device not > recognized...but it works fine)....????? At this point I'm > rebuilding and then I'll put the home dirs back, but planning for > "next time" I'd probably go with rdiff-backup in combination with ssh to do automated and secure backups over the network (using ssh keys). Having installed rdiff-backup on the backup server and on the machines to be backed up ('backup clients'), something like this (command executed on the backup server) should do the trick in order to get a complete backup: rdiff-backup \ --exclude /mnt \ --exclude /media \ --exclude /cdrom \ --exclude /floppy \ --exclude /proc \ --exclude /sys \ --exclude /tmp \ ::/ /usr/local/backup/ Run it as a script via cron every night and you will automatically have daily incremental backups that are easy to restore. E.g. to restore a user's kde config as it was two days ago, simply do: rdiff-backup --force --restore-as-of 2D \ /usr/local/backup/homer/home/frederik/.kde/share/config \ ::/home/frederik/.kde/share/config Another tool, I enjoy using, is Partimage. -- Frederik Dannemare | mailto:frederik at dannemare.net http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Frederik+Dannemare http://frederik.dannemare.net | http://www.linuxworlddomination.dk From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 18 14:13:16 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:13:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <200411181436.57590.frederik@dannemare.net> References: <200411181436.57590.frederik@dannemare.net> Message-ID: <1100787196.9279.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 07:36, Frederik Dannemare wrote: > Having installed rdiff-backup on the backup server and on the machines > to be backed up ('backup clients'), Backuppc generally doesn't require anything to be installed on the clients other than setting up ssh keys if you run over ssh. > something like this (command > executed on the backup server) should do the trick in order to get a > complete backup: > rdiff-backup \ > --exclude /mnt \ > --exclude /media \ > --exclude /cdrom \ > --exclude /floppy \ > --exclude /proc \ > --exclude /sys \ > --exclude /tmp \ > ::/ /usr/local/backup/ This would be controlled by a config file. I prefer to use the --one-file-system options to tar or rsync and specifically include every partition to copy, but that's a matter of taste. > Run it as a script via cron every night and you will automatically have > daily incremental backups that are easy to restore. E.g. to restore a > user's kde config as it was two days ago, simply do: > rdiff-backup --force --restore-as-of 2D \ > /usr/local/backup/homer/home/frederik/.kde/share/config \ > ::/home/frederik/.kde/share/config Backuppc gives you a web interface to browse the backups and makes the incrementals 'look' like fulls. You can either grab a copy directly through the browser (multiple selections can be downloaded as a zip or tar archive) or restore back where it came from. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Nov 18 14:16:44 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:16:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] uptime bug? Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A22@remail2.westat.com> >> > --- On Wed 11/17, Les Mikesell < les at futuresource.com > wrote: >> > From: Les Mikesell [mailto: les at futuresource.com] >> > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:00:05 -0600 >> > >> > Seems to be a bug in 'uptime' - or I guess 32 bits worth of >> > jiffies
rolls back to 0 at 497 days. I was trying to >> > figure out how one of my
main boxes could have rebooted >> > without anyone noticing and it turns
out it didn't. >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rob Owens >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:31 AM >> >> I read in an article somewhere that this is normal behavior (not >> that I think it's good behavior). I can't remember the article, >> but it was comparing the uptime of servers running Linux, BSD, >> Windows, etc. This is also why Linux doesn't show up in Netcraft's "Longest Uptimes" list (http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html). In fact, they even stopped trying with the 2.6 kernel. Here's why: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/accuracy.html#cycle Why do some Operating Systems never show uptimes above 497 days ? The method that Netcraft uses to determine the uptime of a server is bounded by an upper limit of 497 days for some Operating Systems (see above). It is therefore not possible to see uptimes for these systems that go beyond this upper limit. Although we could in theory attempt to compute the true uptime for OS's with this upper limit by monitoring for restarts at the expected time, we prefer not to do this as it can be inaccurate and error prone. Why do you not report uptimes for Linux 2.6 or Linux alpha/ia64 ? The Linux kernel switched to a higher internal timer rate at kernel version 2.5.26. Linux 2.4 used a rate of 100Hz. Linux 2.6 uses a timer at 1000Hz. (An explanation of the HZ setting in Linux.) The above applies to Linux on 32-bit Intel-compatible systems (which is the most common case). Linux on other platforms uses different timer rates: the Alpha and Intel ia-64 ports already used 1000Hz, while the ports for sparc, m68k and other less common processors continue to use 100Hz. The Linux TCP code only uses the low 32 bits of the timer. Due to the faster rate of the timer, the value wraps around every 49.7 days (whereas it used to wrap after 497 days). Because there are large numbers of Linux systems which have a higher uptime than this, it is no longer possible to report accurate uptimes for these systems. -- Henry From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 18 14:29:28 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:29:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <419C3190.7030907@telus.net> References: <419C199B.4010807@telus.net> <1100752063.7523.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <419C3190.7030907@telus.net> Message-ID: <1100788167.9279.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 23:22, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I didn't know dd could actually clone the entire disk and not just the > partitions. Dd just copies whatever you tell it. On unix, at some level everything looks like a file, including the raw disk and the partitions that have filesystem structures built on them. Dd doesn't know anything about the partition layout when you do raw disks or the filesystems when you do partitions so the target has to be the same size as the source and it will waste some time compared to specialized tools because it will copy the unused portions too. It is possible to use another tool to re-size the filesystem after the copy if you go to a larger target. However, no one has mentioned yet what I think would be the best cloning method - and I've been too lazy to set it up myself. If you built your own RPM repository by cloning an existing one, then added any custom setup in the form of RPM's, you could install exactly the way you want automatically with a kickstart file. Then you would always end up with up to date versions of everything instead of having to build a current master and you wouldn't have to worry about partition sizes or disk layout. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresorce.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Nov 18 15:19:03 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:19:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: rdesktop | MS Licensing | Scaling 2003 terminal services. In-Reply-To: <1100789270.11462.557.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100789270.11462.557.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100791143.11462.561.camel@localhost.localdomain> The original message was sent from other mail account. Sorry if it gets posted twice. John On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 09:47, John Baillie wrote: > Plans are moving along well for our pilot project for moving terminals > into the classrooms. I'm still sifting through the past posts on server > specs, scsi vs ata or sata, SW raid vs HW raid AMD vs Intel etc. Meeting > budget and trying to maintain scalability is a bit of a chore. We were > planning on purchasing two new servers one for the additional K12LTS and > another for the 2003 Terminal server but if we can use one of our > Proliant 6000's for Win 2003 I would have more breathing room for the > other server. > > At Riverside they are using a quad 500 to host win 2000 terminal > services. In a previous post Paul Nelson mentioned that their server can > handle about 20 connections. > > We have still have two of those Proliant 6000's that were donated last > summer (quad 500's and 2GB ram) collecting dust. We will only be > providing a few small apps via 2003 terminal server and I'm wondering > how well they would scale without running apps like MS Office and > FrontPage. > > If they don't scale well does MS licensing allow us to move the OS and > CALs to a new server? > > John From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Nov 18 15:53:45 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:53:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] My Laptop Message-ID: <419CC589.7040608@mts.net> I am the teacher/tech person at our school. I have the lab set up with the core1 version of LTSP. Things have more or less stabalized. Things are working at an acceptable level, except for sound on the thin clients which I have yet to get working, but I can live with that. There are a few other minor annoyances which I can also live with. I use my laptop at my desk connected to a projector, to model/show the lessons. In order to show them exactly how it should look I connect to the ltsp by hitting F12 and booting off the network, effectively making my laptop a temporary thin client. The problem I have is that taking student work home to mark is troublesome. What I do now is boot my laptop into windows at the end of the day. I have the server also running SAMBA and have a share established for the student home directories. I connect to this share and run a batch file on it that copies all the data files from their home directories onto my laptop's hard drive. then I take it home and mark it. I am now comfortable/confident enough with Linux that I would like to set my laptop up to be a single boot of say Fedora Core 2 or 3. Everything I do at home or school I can do in Linux. But I want to be able to continue using the laptop to model the lessons to the students through the projector. This means I need to be able to connect to the server's linux drive(s)/shares, and I need to be able to dump the student's work to my laptop hard drive so I can take it home to mark. How can I connect to the server's shares while my laptop is booted up through a stand-alone Linux distro? And access my laptop hard drive, and my laptop burner? Thanks for your time and effort in response to this querry. From robowens at myway.com Thu Nov 18 16:33:49 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:33:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] My Laptop Message-ID: <20041118163349.C7AB839FB@mprdmxin.myway.com> What you need to do is mount the server's shares via NFS when you are booted into a standalone Linux on your laptop. I believe NFS is already running on the server (sorry, I'm not very experienced w/ LTSP yet). Check these files and their man pages: /etc/exports /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny To put it quickly, "exports" lists all directories that are exported via NFS and what hostnames and/or IP address are permitted to receive them, and can apply certain restrictions such as read-only. "hosts.allow" lists all hostnames and/or IP addresses that are permitted to connect to certain services, and "hosts.deny" is used to deny certain services to certain hostnames and/or IP addresses. Note that if nothing appears in either hosts.allow or hosts.deny, the system defaults to allowing everything to anyone (of course firewall rules may interfere with this). Once the server is set up to allow your laptop to mount its shares, issue the mount command from your laptop. Something like this (but you'd better double-check my syntax): mount -t nfs servername:/sharename /laptop_mount_point note that /laptop_mount_point must be an existing, empty directory on your laptop. Now supposedly adding this after "-t nfs" makes things a little faster: -o rsize=8192,wsize=8192 I've left out some basic stuff like permissions and running as root, etc. Let me know if you run into trouble. -Rob --- On Thu 11/18, Liam Marshall < lsrpm at mts.net > wrote: From: Liam Marshall [mailto: lsrpm at mts.net] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:53:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] My Laptop I am the teacher/tech person at our school. I have the lab set up with
the core1 version of LTSP. Things have more or less stabalized. Things
are working at an acceptable level, except for sound on the thin clients
which I have yet to get working, but I can live with that. There are a
few other minor annoyances which I can also live with.

I use my laptop at my desk connected to a projector, to model/show the
lessons. In order to show them exactly how it should look I connect to
the ltsp by hitting F12 and booting off the network, effectively making
my laptop a temporary thin client.

The problem I have is that taking student work home to mark is
troublesome. What I do now is boot my laptop into windows at the end of
the day. I have the server also running SAMBA and have a share
established for the student home directories. I connect to this share
and run a batch file on it that copies all the data files from t! heir
home directories onto my laptop's hard drive. then I take it home and
mark it.

I am now comfortable/confident enough with Linux that I would like to
set my laptop up to be a single boot of say Fedora Core 2 or 3.
Everything I do at home or school I can do in Linux.

But I want to be able to continue using the laptop to model the lessons
to the students through the projector. This means I need to be able to
connect to the server's linux drive(s)/shares, and I need to be able to
dump the student's work to my laptop hard drive so I can take it home to
mark.

How can I connect to the server's shares while my laptop is booted up
through a stand-alone Linux distro? And access my laptop hard drive,
and my laptop burner?

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Nov 18 16:43:22 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:43:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] I can't get 1280x1024 resolution Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041118083837.013e8270@pop.easystreet.com> Hi, I just got a dell flat panel monitor for my TC500. It's very fuzzy. It tells me that it's set at 1024x768 at 75 Hz but that 1280x1024 at 60Hz would be preferable. How do I set that I tried an X_MODE_0 line in lts.conf with 1280x1024 60 and some other stuff. (I tried about 10 variations of this line) and either x wouldn't start or it did with no change to the resolutions. When I look in XF86Config or xorg.conf I see lines that say "1024x768" but nothing as high as what I'm striving for. It basically doesn't seem like setting my resution that high is an option the way my settings are right now. What's the proper way to implement this for my system. I'd like to start getting into tweaking my individual thin clients for video and sound. Thanks, ck From petre at maltzen.net Thu Nov 18 16:52:22 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:52:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] My Laptop In-Reply-To: <419CC589.7040608@mts.net> References: <419CC589.7040608@mts.net> Message-ID: <419CD346.8060607@maltzen.net> You might consider installing the Xandros Open Circulation distro on your laptop. It's free, and it has IMHO the best file manager available on Linux. It automatically finds all the SMB (Windows) shares on your network, as well as all the NFS shares on your network. It automatically detected and configured my SMC wireless card*, whereas Mandrake couldn't, nor could Red Hat (RH9? FC1? I cant recall the version). It seems pretty good about detecting USB devices. It will automatically repartition your disk so that it only uses available space, leaving, say, a Windows partition intact so you can dual-boot; or not--you can also just tell it to wipe the other partitions. Seems to me installation required about 6 clicks. *Be sure to run the Update after the installation so that you get the latest patches, etc. My wireless card didn't work until I did this. Petre Liam Marshall wrote: > I am the teacher/tech person at our school. I have the lab set up with > the core1 version of LTSP. Things have more or less stabalized. Things > are working at an acceptable level, except for sound on the thin clients > which I have yet to get working, but I can live with that. There are a > few other minor annoyances which I can also live with. > > I use my laptop at my desk connected to a projector, to model/show the > lessons. In order to show them exactly how it should look I connect to > the ltsp by hitting F12 and booting off the network, effectively making > my laptop a temporary thin client. > The problem I have is that taking student work home to mark is > troublesome. What I do now is boot my laptop into windows at the end of > the day. I have the server also running SAMBA and have a share > established for the student home directories. I connect to this share > and run a batch file on it that copies all the data files from their > home directories onto my laptop's hard drive. then I take it home and > mark it. > > I am now comfortable/confident enough with Linux that I would like to > set my laptop up to be a single boot of say Fedora Core 2 or 3. > Everything I do at home or school I can do in Linux. > > But I want to be able to continue using the laptop to model the lessons > to the students through the projector. This means I need to be able to > connect to the server's linux drive(s)/shares, and I need to be able to > dump the student's work to my laptop hard drive so I can take it home to > mark. > > How can I connect to the server's shares while my laptop is booted up > through a stand-alone Linux distro? And access my laptop hard drive, > and my laptop burner? > > Thanks for your time and effort in response to this querry. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 18 17:10:51 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:10:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] My Laptop In-Reply-To: <419CC589.7040608@mts.net> References: <419CC589.7040608@mts.net> Message-ID: <1100797850.5056.46.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 09:53, Liam Marshall wrote: > The problem I have is that taking student work home to mark is > troublesome. What I do now is boot my laptop into windows at the end of > the day. I have the server also running SAMBA and have a share > established for the student home directories. I connect to this share > and run a batch file on it that copies all the data files from their > home directories onto my laptop's hard drive. then I take it home and > mark it. Instead of a batch file, make a shell script that runs on the server and generates a tar archive of the files you want. Run this command through ssh from the place you want to drop the files and pipe the output through 'tar -x' locally. Or just do it all on one command from the laptop like: ssh server '(cd /home && tar -c */homework)' | tar -xv The nice thing about shell level unix is that you can take just about any set of things you can do as a single step and combine them about any way that seems useful. The first part of that command will run on the remote machine, the | and part after runs locally. > I am now comfortable/confident enough with Linux that I would like to > set my laptop up to be a single boot of say Fedora Core 2 or 3. > Everything I do at home or school I can do in Linux. > > But I want to be able to continue using the laptop to model the lessons > to the students through the projector. This means I need to be able to > connect to the server's linux drive(s)/shares, and I need to be able to > dump the student's work to my laptop hard drive so I can take it home to > mark. To run a single program on the server but display on the laptop, ssh to the server and start the program by typing it's name. The program will start in a new window on the laptop. If you want the whole desktop to run from the server, configure the laptop to start in text mode (init 3 instead of 5) and use 'X -query server' to get a thin-client kind of desktop from the server, or 'startx' to start the local desktop. > How can I connect to the server's shares while my laptop is booted up > through a stand-alone Linux distro? And access my laptop hard drive, > and my laptop burner? You can use NFS or samba mounts from the laptop, but for most of your purposes, running the programs remotely from the server may work better. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Nov 18 18:01:37 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:01:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] I can't get 1280x1024 resolution In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041118083837.013e8270@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041118083837.013e8270@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <419CE381.4090603@criticalcontrol.com> Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I just got a dell flat panel monitor for my TC500. It's very fuzzy. > It tells me that it's set at 1024x768 at 75 Hz but that 1280x1024 at > 60Hz would be preferable. How do I set that I tried an X_MODE_0 line > in lts.conf with 1280x1024 60 and some other stuff. (I tried about > 10 variations of this line) and either x wouldn't start or it did with > no change to the resolutions. When I look in XF86Config or xorg.conf > I see lines that say "1024x768" but nothing as high as what I'm > striving for. It basically doesn't seem like setting my resution that > high is an option the way my settings are right now. What's the > proper way to implement this for my system. I'd like to start getting > into tweaking my individual thin clients for video and sound. > > Thanks, > > ck Try adding the following to your lts.conf file: X_HORZSYNC = "60-70" Found this 100+ msg down in this list... Peter From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Nov 18 18:22:46 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:22:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I can't get 1280x1024 resolution In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041118083837.013e8270@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041118083837.013e8270@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1100802166.32077.2.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> If you are running K12LTSP 4 or later, try just going into the Preferences -> Screen Resolution menu, and changing the settings there. If this does not work, it means that the video chipset on your thin client does not support those settings. HTH, -Gideon On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 11:43, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I just got a dell flat panel monitor for my TC500. It's very fuzzy. It > tells me that it's set at 1024x768 at 75 Hz but that 1280x1024 at 60Hz > would be preferable. How do I set that I tried an X_MODE_0 line in > lts.conf with 1280x1024 60 and some other stuff. (I tried about 10 > variations of this line) and either x wouldn't start or it did with no > change to the resolutions. When I look in XF86Config or xorg.conf I see > lines that say "1024x768" but nothing as high as what I'm striving for. It > basically doesn't seem like setting my resution that high is an option the > way my settings are right now. What's the proper way to implement this for > my system. I'd like to start getting into tweaking my individual thin > clients for video and sound. > > Thanks, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diego at in3.com.ar Thu Nov 18 19:02:24 2004 From: diego at in3.com.ar (Diego Torres Milano) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:02:24 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] introduction and PXES question Message-ID: <1100804544.5890.49.camel@zebra> PXES is a very flexible solution, as you may have discover. Even, using the PREBUILT images, it is fully configurable (well, almost :-) Short answer: 1) Be sure that the PREBUILT image is finding your Remote Configuration server (TFTP). PREBUILT images are reading the remote configuration from the TFTP server specified as tftp-server-name DHCP option. In dhcpd.conf: option tftp-server-name "your.tftp.server"; 2) In this TFTP server add a configuration file (i.e: /tftpboot/pxes/config/default.conf): message -e '\ndefault.conf' SESSION_DEFAULT=xdm XDM_METHOD=query XDM_SERVER_NAME=your.server.ip 3) boot your thin clients with the PREBUILT image and XDM login will appear. I've found this message, just as a coincidence, following a referrer URL. The best place to post PXES questions is SF's mailing list: pxes-devel at lists.sf.net There'are some nice PXES movies (live thin clients) at: http://pxes.sf.net/movie-trailers.html Regards. > Greetings > Having been a Macintosh administrator for the last 9 years of my professional career I am taking the plunge into using Linux lab to solve some problems I have faced with our statewide testing we have here in Oregon. > This year every students will test at least twice in front of a computer as all statewide testing is done using a computer and a network connection. Over the past two years this has taken the lab away from classroom integration and turned it over to > testing. > I needed a network solution that was inexpensive and flexible so that I can continue to teach language arts, science, math, and social studies using our computers. So I am piloting a lab for the district using the k12ltsp server. > I have been working on establishing a lab of thin client machines using a mish mash of older computers that were being surplused out by our high school. They have a variety of network cards and monitors so making a boot floppy for each one was going > to be problematic. > I have the server set up and it is working well. > > I also have been able to use the PXES boot CD for the client machines (a simple solution in that the CD image has most ethernet cards defined already) > The only problem is that the default boot method on the PXES image doesn't find the server and I have to choose XDM to get it to find and boot from the server. (I can't just boot it up and let it run but have to intervene in the boot up of each > machine) > Has anyone used the PXES image to boot from a CD for clients of the k12ltsp server? Has anyone been successful in getting either the default method of logging in with the pxes image to work with the server or customized the image to only boot using > XDM or some other successful boot method? I have been struggling to figure out how to customize the image even though the author has provided documentation, a configuration folder, and the iso boot image on his web site. > I may just revert to putting a boot partition on the hard drive of red hat and have it log in but would like to get this option to work for me. > > Here is the web site where I got PXES from... > http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ > A "how to" to configure the iso boot image... > http://pxes.sourceforge.net/howtos/Creating_a_Custom_RDP_ISO_Image.pdf > The downloads for the iso image and the config files. > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=45684&package_id=38453&release_id=258546 > > Eric Neiwert > 7th grade humanities > Technology Coordinator > Gordon Russell Middle School > http://russell.gresham.k12.or.us > Gresham-Barlow School District > Gresham, OR -- Diego Torres Milano IN3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 18:34:12 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:34:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients unable to complete connection to fileserver Message-ID: <20041118183412.61408.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> I have been trying to get my thin client to connect to the file server and this is what I get: The connection is getting past the multi-session mode Scanning for the video card Build the /tmp/XF86Config-4 file Release Date: 18 December 2003 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.7 Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20-31.9smp i686 [ELF] Current Operating System: Linux (none) 2.4.26-ltsp-1 #1 Fri Aug 6 00:15:10 UTC 2004 i686 Build Date: 05 August 2004 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) errror, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.0.log", Time: Wed Nov 17 23:17:26 2004 (++) Using config file "/tmp/XF86Config.1" I had sent Eric a message and this is what he sent back, I made the changes, but I still can't connect to the file server. exports looks fine, since it the terminals are partially booting, NFS must be correct. Try running the following commands on the server and reboot it: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/gdm.conf-update.pl /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/kdmrc-update.pl /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/xdm-config-update.pl /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/xfs-update.pl I'm booked for the rest of the day, so if those commands don't do the trick for you, please post to the K12OSN list. I'm gonna be off-line for a while... -Eric On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 14:37 -0800, Jennifer Waters wrote: > Eric, here is some more info on exports > > > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) > > /home > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0(rw,no_root_squash,sync) > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /usr/share/fonts > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) > > [root at ss03 root]# exportfs > exportfs: No host name given with export > (ro,sync,wdelay,hide,nocrossmnt,secure, > root_squash,no_all_squash,subtree_check,secure_locks,mapping=identity,anonuid=-2 > ,anongid=-2), suggest > *(ro,sync,wdelay,hide,nocrossmnt,secure,root_squash,no_all > _squash,subtree_check,secure_locks,mapping=identity,anonuid=-2,anongid=-2) > to av oid warning > /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 > /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 > /usr/share/fonts > 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 > /opt/ltsp/i386 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 > /home 10.188.4.0/255.255.252.0 > export > > > [root at ss03 root]# exportfs -a > exportfs: No options for export : suggest (sync) to > avoid warning > exportfs: /etc/exports [1]: No 'sync' or 'async' > option specified for export ":e xport". > Assuming default behaviour ('sync'). > NOTE: this default has changed from previous > versions > exportfs: No host name given with export > (ro,sync,wdelay,hide,nocrossmnt,secure, > root_squash,no_all_squash,subtree_check,secure_locks,mapping=identity,anonuid=-2 > ,anongid=-2), suggest > *(ro,sync,wdelay,hide,nocrossmnt,secure,root_squash,no_all > _squash,subtree_check,secure_locks,mapping=identity,anonuid=-2,anongid=-2) > to av oid warning > > Would this help with my thin clients? > > Jennifer This is the file server that I am trying to service around 30 thin clients for a classroom. This room has been down this full school year and I am really confused as to what is happening. I have tried everything I can think of. Need help!!! Thank you for any help you can give me. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 18 20:13:26 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:13:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients unable to complete connection to fileserver In-Reply-To: <20041118183412.61408.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041118183412.61408.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1100808805.11112.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 12:34, Jennifer Waters wrote: > (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.0.log", Time: Wed Nov > 17 23:17:26 2004 (++) Using config file > "/tmp/XF86Config.1" > > I had sent Eric a message and this is what he sent > back, I made the changes, but I still can't connect to > the file server. The last time you posted about a problem it looked like you weren't using the default IP addresses for a 2-NIC install. Is your SERVER entry in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf pointing to the right place? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lewis at pcc.com Thu Nov 18 20:48:23 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:48:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] finding user passwords In-Reply-To: <20041111193439.QUZH14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20041111193439.QUZH14438.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <304E3379-39A3-11D9-9EBD-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Will, I read this thread, there are many great suggestions and recommendations. It sounds like you have it under control. I was recently at a conference discussing security. The point was raised that if passwords are shared with anyone, then security is comprimised. So why set passwords at all. Clearly this would not work in environments where there is privaleged information. Using your situation, if no students had any passwords then the playing field would be level. The students would rely on peer honor. It's a system that was used in group homes in the UK. Obviously not always with possitive results. Best of luck. Lewis On Nov 11, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Will Hatch wrote: > I had no idea that this question would create so much discussion. > Thanks all. Our program is very strict. We have to monitor students > activity at all times. They cannot even be out of our sight. I made > it very clear in the beginning of the semester that passwords are not > to be changed. I have since learned how to bypass this. I have > Dansguardian on Ipcop in front of my k12 server. Its very safe in my > experience. Anyway... I logged in as root, and changed the students > password, then logged in. So, problem solved. Thanks again everyone. >> >> From: Chris Thomas >> Date: 2004/11/11 Thu PM 02:30:49 EST >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] finding user passwords >> >> that's in the terminal, i mean in x windows. >> >> --- Brian Chase wrote: >> >>> # su >>> >>> >>> Chris Thomas wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> As the administrator (root user), is there a way to >>>> login to their account (log into gnome or kde), >>>> without knowing their password? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> --- Will Hatch wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I have a disgruntled student who changed his user >>>>> password and will not tell faculty what it is. I >>>>> can access his home directory from root I know, >>> but >>>>> would still like to find out this password. How >>> do >>>>> I do this? I have locked his account out. Also, >>> is >>>>> there a way to make it so they cannot change their >>>>> password? thanks! >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Nov 18 21:25:34 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:25:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Simulation Software a la STELLA? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041118132331.0240de08@pop.easystreet.com> Hello Group, Does anyone know of some Free OSS simulation (microworld) software along the lines of STELLA ( http://www.iseesystems.com/(sfu0tznquc5zno55jp510s55)/index.aspx ) that would run on Linux? Thanks, ck From diego at in3.com.ar Thu Nov 18 21:51:19 2004 From: diego at in3.com.ar (Diego Torres Milano) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:51:19 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Server Question Message-ID: <1100814678.5890.74.camel@zebra> > Can you help me to run windows 2003 terminal services on thin clients > attached to a k12 ltsp > > Hector If some of your thin clients are running only as Windows clients you can try PXES Universal Linux Thin Client (http://pxes.sf.net) freeing resources from your LTSP server. There's a PREBUILT ISO image you can donwload, burn and boot. You can still use your LTSP TFTP server to hold thin clients configurations and presonalizations. -- Diego Torres Milano IN3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Nov 18 22:26:55 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:26:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* Message-ID: Hi all, I can do some very basic scripting and I'm learning all the time, but now I need something quite quickly. I hosed my Samba/LDAP server the other day...not sure exactly what went wrong, but the rebuild was quite smooth and all the data was easy to reinsert. The only big issue I have is that the Windows (Samba) profiles have become a bit corrupted. (we do roaming profiles) I've found the best way to fix this is to delete the profile and let a new one be created from the default on the next log in. My dilemma....I need to copy the data from the users My Documents, Desktop, and Favorites directories to another location...preferably a folder in their home directory for safekeeping. Here's the layout of what I want to do..... I need to create a folder named "win-backup" in each users home directory in /home I then need to backup the My\ Documents/ , Desktop, and Favorites directory from each users profile located in /opt/samba/profiles (/opt/samba/profiles/username...ex. /opt/samba/profiles/dtrask/) to the "win-backup" folder in the same users home dir. All dirs are owned by the user if that makes a difference. That's it! Then I can wipe the profiles myself and have them recreated. It'll also be a handy script to have on hand to back up peoples stuff once in a while to thier home directory. So in outline form... for each username... mkdir /home/"username"/win-backup cp /opt/samba/profiles/"username"/My\ Documents/ Desktop Favorites to /home/"username"/win-backup then repeat for next user..... Can anyone help? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Nov 18 22:41:35 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:41:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419D251F.3000208@maltzen.net> Off the top of my head: !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." mkdir /home/${x}/win-backup chown ${x}.${x} /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup" #cp /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup" #cp /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup #cp /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup done If you copy this to a file, do a chmod +x on the file, and run it, it will tell you what it's going to do without actually doing it. This way you can see if you will get what you want. Assuming it is what you want, remove the # signs in front of the cp commands and rerun the script. HTH Petre David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > I can do some very basic scripting and I'm learning all the time, but now > I need something quite quickly. I hosed my Samba/LDAP server the other > day...not sure exactly what went wrong, but the rebuild was quite smooth > and all the data was easy to reinsert. The only big issue I have is that > the Windows (Samba) profiles have become a bit corrupted. (we do roaming > profiles) I've found the best way to fix this is to delete the profile > and let a new one be created from the default on the next log in. My > dilemma....I need to copy the data from the users My Documents, Desktop, > and Favorites directories to another location...preferably a folder in > their home directory for safekeeping. > > Here's the layout of what I want to do..... > > I need to create a folder named "win-backup" in each users home directory > in /home > > I then need to backup the My\ Documents/ , Desktop, and Favorites > directory from each users profile located in /opt/samba/profiles > (/opt/samba/profiles/username...ex. /opt/samba/profiles/dtrask/) to the > "win-backup" folder in the same users home dir. All dirs are owned by the > user if that makes a difference. > That's it! Then I can wipe the profiles myself and have them recreated. > It'll also be a handy script to have on hand to back up peoples stuff once > in a while to thier home directory. > > So in outline form... > > for each username... > > mkdir /home/"username"/win-backup > cp /opt/samba/profiles/"username"/My\ Documents/ Desktop Favorites to > /home/"username"/win-backup > > then repeat for next user..... > > Can anyone help? > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Thu Nov 18 22:49:32 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:49:32 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* Message-ID: Petre Scheie wrote: >> Off the top of my head: !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do << No need to use a backquoted ls; if /home only contains home directories - and it should - then just say !#/bin/bash for x in * ; do If there are files in /home, you could follow that up with if [ -d $x ] ; then . . fi just to make sure you only process directories. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Nov 18 22:58:10 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:58:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* In-Reply-To: <419D251F.3000208@maltzen.net> References: <419D251F.3000208@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <419D2902.8030107@gwi.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > Off the top of my head: > > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Doing $x ..." > mkdir /home/${x}/win-backup > chown ${x}.${x} /home/${x}/win-backup > > echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ > /home/${x}/win-backup" > #cp -a /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup > > echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup" > #cp -a /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup > > echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup > #cp -a /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup > done > > > If you copy this to a file, do a chmod +x on the file, and run it, it > will tell you what it's going to do without actually doing it. This > way you can see if you will get what you want. Assuming it is what > you want, remove the # signs in front of the cp commands and rerun the > script. HTH > > Petre I inserted "-a" option on cp to recursively copy everything and preserve ownership. Be aware that when used repeatedly the results will include the aggregate of all files of different names which were once present when backed up. In other words files removed between backups from under /opt/samba/profiles/... will still exist under the win-backup directories. You may want to configure rsync instead of cp for future use. But Petre's solution is a quick and effective one for now. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 22:57:27 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:57:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69b790a804111814577247336c@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:49:32 +1100, Les Bell wrote: > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > >> > Off the top of my head: > > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > << > > No need to use a backquoted ls; if /home only contains home directories - > and it should - then just say > for x in *; do then you probably would want to 'cd /home' first to be sure you are in /home From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Thu Nov 18 23:09:07 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:09:07 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* Message-ID: Roger Morris wrote: >> then you probably would want to 'cd /home' first to be sure you are in /home << Good point! Or just "for x in /home/* ; do". Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Nov 19 00:00:05 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:00:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <1100787196.9279.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <200411181436.57590.frederik@dannemare.net> <1100787196.9279.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <419D3785.9000807@inlandlakes.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > Backuppc generally doesn't require anything to be installed on > the clients other than setting up ssh keys if you run over I gave backuppc an honest shake -- and I could not figure out the config files for setting up clients. I can set up ssh pairs fine, but in the documentation, which decribes a multitude of configurable variables, I couldn't figure out how to simply do a tar backup of a remote /home directory, even with the ssh pairs set up. I'm not a genius, but I did work for a good 45 minutes trying to figure out how to construct the client.pl file to get the right commands working. I finally gave up, and I'm running rsync commands in a cron job again... Are there example files anywhere other than the local /etc backup example included? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 19 00:04:31 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:04:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: rdesktop | MS Licensing | Scaling 2003 terminal services. In-Reply-To: <1100791143.11462.561.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100789270.11462.557.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100791143.11462.561.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <419D388F.80004@cmosnetworks.com> John Baillie wrote: >The original message was sent from other mail account. Sorry if it gets >posted twice. > >John > >On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 09:47, John Baillie wrote: > > >>Plans are moving along well for our pilot project for moving terminals >>into the classrooms. I'm still sifting through the past posts on server >>specs, scsi vs ata or sata, SW raid vs HW raid AMD vs Intel etc. Meeting >>budget and trying to maintain scalability is a bit of a chore. We were >>planning on purchasing two new servers one for the additional K12LTS and >>another for the 2003 Terminal server but if we can use one of our >>Proliant 6000's for Win 2003 I would have more breathing room for the >>other server. >> >>At Riverside they are using a quad 500 to host win 2000 terminal >>services. In a previous post Paul Nelson mentioned that their server can >>handle about 20 connections. >> >>We have still have two of those Proliant 6000's that were donated last >>summer (quad 500's and 2GB ram) collecting dust. We will only be >>providing a few small apps via 2003 terminal server and I'm wondering >>how well they would scale without running apps like MS Office and >>FrontPage. >> >>If they don't scale well does MS licensing allow us to move the OS and >>CALs to a new server? >> >>John >> >> Hello John, As long as you're not running MS Office and FrontPage, or any similar bloatware, then, based on my experience with Windows 2000 and NT 4.0 TSE, you should be fine with 10-15 users. Folks on this list have said that Windows Server 2003 has a more efficient terminal server subsystem than its predecessors (that wouldn't be saying much, believe me). Therefore, I'd say that, as long as you kept the apps lightweight, I'd guess that 20 is feasible. Best way to find out: give it a shot and see how it goes. If the quad 500 doesn't cut the mustard, then yes, you can move the OS and CALs to a new server, so long as they're wiped clean from the original server. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 00:35:09 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:35:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients unable to complete connection to fileserver Message-ID: <20041119003509.44242.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> The last time you posted about a problem it looked like you weren't using the default IP addresses for a 2-NIC install. Is your SERVER entry in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf pointing to the right place? I reinstalled the software to see if that would make any difference. I noticed that there are many changes that I have to make in order to have the server actually work. I need to start writing directions so that I know what changes I have made. Yes, I put the correct address for my server into lts.conf. I am only using one nic card. I do not have the dhcp server, that is done by the district. I just don't know what to do. Any more suggestions? Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 19 00:41:53 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:41:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Backing up a server...best methods In-Reply-To: <419D3785.9000807@inlandlakes.org> References: <200411181436.57590.frederik@dannemare.net> <1100787196.9279.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <419D3785.9000807@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1100824912.14147.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 18:00, Shawn Powers wrote: > I gave backuppc an honest shake -- and I could not figure out the config > files for setting up clients. I can set up ssh pairs fine, but in the > documentation, which decribes a multitude of configurable variables, I > couldn't figure out how to simply do a tar backup of a remote /home > directory, even with the ssh pairs set up. Agreed - there are a million options. You only need to set a few. > I'm not a genius, but I did work for a good 45 minutes trying to figure > out how to construct the client.pl file to get the right commands > working. I finally gave up, and I'm running rsync commands in a cron > job again... Don't give up - just ask. The backuppc mailling list is as good as this one for getting help. I'll answer on either one. > Are there example files anywhere other than the local /etc backup > example included? The program will inherit all the settings from the master conf/config.pl but you can override them for an individual client by creating a directory with the host's name under the pc directory and adding a config.pl file there containing the values that differ for that particular host. (Be sure to chown to the backuppc user). I like to use rsync over ssh, so mine look like this (change the $Conf{RsyncShareName} value to the partitions that you want to do as separate runs): ------ # $Conf{XferMethod} = 'rsync'; $Conf{RsyncShareName} = ['/', '/boot', '/var', '/home','/share']; $Conf{RsyncArgs} = [ # # Do not edit these! # '--numeric-ids', '--perms', '--owner', '--group', '--devices', '--links', '--times', '--block-size=2048', '--recursive', # # Add additional arguments here # '--one-file-system', '--exclude=/var/spool/squid', '--exclude=slocate.db', '--exclude=/proc', ]; #---------------- From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Nov 19 00:52:28 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:52:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 Message-ID: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> Hi, Quick question, where's the download url for FC3 & 4.2 ? thks norbert From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 19 01:02:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:02:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients unable to complete connection to fileserver In-Reply-To: <20041119003509.44242.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041119003509.44242.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1100826128.14147.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 18:35, Jennifer Waters wrote: > I reinstalled the software to see if that would make > any difference. I noticed that there are many changes > that I have to make in order to have the server > actually work. Is there any chance that you could convert to a 2-NIC configuration with the 'outside' one connected to the school network, the 'inside' connected to a separate switch with all the clients on it? In that configuration it will work as installed. > I need to start writing directions so > that I know what changes I have made. Yes, I put the > correct address for my server into lts.conf. > > I am only using one nic card. I do not have the dhcp > server, that is done by the district. In the 2-nic configuration you provide DHCP only to the 'inside' nic and your clients. You can let the outside NIC pick up a dhcp address from your network or you can assign it a static address. There is a certain amount of danger to the rest of the network if you plug your cables in wrong so you may have to deal with a policy that says you can't activate the dhcp server... > I just don't know what to do. Any more suggestions? You have to change several things to make it work on a flat network but it sounds like you are close. It can be made to work. It wasn't clear exactly where the clients stop now. Are they starting X and getting a grey screen or do you get an error trying to load X? ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 19 01:39:25 2004 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (Cory Cartwright) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:39:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <419B9ECC.8090408@myrealbox.com> References: <20041117154633.99886.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> <419B9ECC.8090408@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1100828365.2723.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi KJ, I was going to try to recreate what you have, but my servers are not being cooperative. It seems the physical stuff is fine, as you can boot and get to the Internet. I think from here I would try to "break" my ability of my thin client to reach the other network. Maybe start by turning off forwarding? echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward What is is the output of iptables -nat -L and iptables -L? is this system accessible to the outside via ssh? Cory On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 13:56, KJ wrote: > You are correct in that this server is the only connection to the other > network. I have a blue cable that comes from my router to the > "external" NIC (eth1) on the LTSP/squid box, a black cable that runs > from my "internal" NIC (eth0) on the LTSP/squid box to a hub and a > yellow cable that runs from that hub to my LTSP client that is booting > from the server. Is that the correct way? It seemed logical to me. > > As for the default route, how would I double check that? > > Thanks again, I owe you huge! > KJ > > CORY CARTWRIGHT wrote: > > > These are working for me, and I even started from a > > fresh system last night and followed the directions I > > gave you. > > Ok, one more question, I'm correct in saying that this > > server is the only Ethernet connection to the other > > network? They are not on the same hubs? and their > > default route is this system? > > > > The part that bothers me is that the clients requests > > are being forwarded and masqueraded to the "external" > > interface. This does not need to happen with a proxy. > > I think if you can find out how this is happening you > > can find your problem. From you iptables-save output > > it does not look like this should be happening. You > > should also be able to turn off forwarding.(although I > > have not tried that). > > > > Cory > > --- KJ wrote: > > > > > >>I have followed your instructions to the letter to > >>no avail. > >> > >>The thing that baffles me is that if I set the > >>browser in the LTSP > >>terminal session to 127.0.0.1 port 3128 as the proxy > >>it blocks sites as > >>promised, however the settings here do not. > >> > >>These settings are working for you and others for > >>LTSP and > >>squid/squidguard running on the same box, yes? > >> > >>Thanks again! > >>KJ > >> > >>Cory Cartwright wrote: > >> > >> > >>>ok,, was this all commented out manually? > >>>Where you type in the PREROUTING command by hand > >> > >>or putting it in this > >> > >>>script? > >>> > >>>If this is not what you have done I recommend the > >> > >>following: > >> > >>>regenerate the iptables script using > >> > >>system-config-securitylevel, > >> > >>>allowing for http, https, ssh and port 3128 and > >> > >>ftp if you have an ftp > >> > >>>server. > >>> > >>>after this is done make a backup copy: cp > >> > >>/etc/sysconfig/iptables > >> > >>>/etc/sysconfig/iptables.old > >>> > >>>on the command line type: > >>>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp > >> > >>--dport 80 -j REDIRECT > >> > >>>--to-port 3128 > >>> > >>>if this is accepted then you can type: > >>>iptables-save >/etc/sysconfig/iptables > >>> > >>>and Finlay restart iptables: /etc/init.d/iptables > >> > >>restart > >> > >>> > >>>now using the system-config-securitylevel tool > >> > >>will over write this, > >> > >>>that is why I like to write my own firewall script > >> > >>and place it into the > >> > >>>startup. > >>> > >>>I apologize if you have done all of this and > >> > >>already know it. > >> > >>>Cory > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 16:20, KJ wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>My turn to ask the dumb questions. you mean the > >> > >>contents of > >> > >>>>/etc/sysconfig/iptables right? > >>>>If so, it's below. > >>>>Thanks again!!! > >>>> > >>>>---------------- > >>>># Firewall configuration written by > >> > >>system-config-securitylevel > >> > >>>># Manual customization of this file is not > >> > >>recommended. > >> > >>>>#*filter > >>>>#:INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > >>>>#:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] > >>>>#:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > >>>>#:RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] > >>>>#-A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT > >>>>#-A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT > >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT > >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT > >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j > >> > >>ACCEPT > >> > >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT > >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT > >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state > >> > >>ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > >> > >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m > >> > >>tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j > >> > >>>>ACCEPT > >>>>#-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with > >> > >>icmp-host-prohibited > >> > >>>>#COMMIT > >>>> > >>>>*nat > >>>>:PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] > >>>>-A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j > >> > >>REDIRECT --to-port 3128 > >> > >>>>COMMIT > >>>>----------------------- > >>>> > >>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:26, Cory Cartwright > >> > >>wrote: > >> > >>>>>to answer you last question, you are not > >> > >>changing the source address, > >> > >>>>>so the request is still coming from the client, > >> > >>as far as the router is > >> > >>>>>concerned. > >>>>> > >>>>>could you send your iptables script? > >>>>> > >>>>>Cory > >>>>>corycartwright at sbcglobal.net > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:12, KJ wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Hey Cory, > >>>>>>Yes the clients are still being sent to the > >> > >>internet. I am setup as such: > >> > >>>>>>Server w/ eth0 (internal) setup with > >> > >>192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 and > >> > >>>>>>DHCP'ing to the clients (only 1 currently > >> > >>connected). > >> > >>>>>>same box w/ eth1 (external) connected to my > >> > >>internal network w/ a DHCP > >> > >>>>>>assigned address from my router of > >> > >>192.168.2.17/255.255.255.0 > >> > >>>>>>from your question I changed (briefly) my > >> > >>network to 10. etc. and > >> > >>>>>>re-initialized the NIC, no change in behavior. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I'm having a disconnect in my mind of how the > >> > >>logic of this works. If I > >> > >>>>>>have a Terminal session going to the LTSP/Squid > >> > >>server how is the > >> > >>>>>>iptables entry supposed to route the traffic, > >> > >>doesn't the LTSP/Squid box > >> > >>>>>>see the page requests as originating from itself > >> > >>and just plain route > >> > >>>>>>them to the outside? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Thanks! > >>>>>>KJ > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>the clients still get natted to the internet? > >> > >>What is the ip range for > >> > >>>>>>>the other interface? Is it the same subnet? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 13:38, KJ wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I must have something setup incorrectly. I > >> > >>used -s > >> > >>>>>>>>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (and dropped the -i > >> > >>eth0) from the entry and > >> > >>>>>>>>it's still not doing anything. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I'm baffled. > >>>>>>>>Thanks for your insight. > >>>>>>>>KJ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Cory Cartwright wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>One easy way to tell is change you PREROUTING > >> > >>to filter based on source > >> > >>>>>>>>>17x.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx instead of -i > >>>>>>>>>good luck! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Cory > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 11:11, KJ wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>I think it's a great question. eth0 is my > >> > >>internal LAN. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>My setup is that I have one LTSP box to > >> > >>serve my 10 computers. It has > >> > >>>>>>>>>>two LAN cards, one is connected to the thin > >> > >>clients and the other is > >> > >>>>>>>>>>connected to my internal LAN (which the > >> > >>teachers are on) The LTSP > >> > >>>>>>>>>>sessions are the ones that I am attempting > >> > >>to > > > > === message truncated === > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 19 03:11:39 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:11:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients unable to complete connection to fileserver In-Reply-To: <20041119003509.44242.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041119003509.44242.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419D646B.5080005@cmosnetworks.com> Jennifer Waters wrote: >The last time you posted about a problem it looked >like you >weren't using the default IP addresses for a 2-NIC >install. >Is your SERVER entry in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf >pointing >to the right place? > >I reinstalled the software to see if that would make >any difference. I noticed that there are many changes >that I have to make in order to have the server >actually work. I need to start writing directions so >that I know what changes I have made. Yes, I put the >correct address for my server into lts.conf. > >I am only using one nic card. I do not have the dhcp >server, that is done by the district. > >I just don't know what to do. Any more suggestions? > >Jennifer > > Tell us as much as you can about that DHCP server. And yes, you do have to make a number of changes; fortunately, almost all of them are under /opt/ltsp/i386/etc. I also run a single-NIC install the same way you're trying to do, and for the same reason (the district handles DHCP--turns out I'm the district DHCP admin, too). I've come to greatly appreciate single-NIC installs. Try heading over to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc and doing a recursive grep for "192.168", like so: [root at k12ltspbox etc]# grep -nr '192.168' * That'll tell you everywhere that you get to make changes. Yes, this can be fairly easily scripted. No, I never actually script that because I'm paranoid and like to personally review every change when I do this. Then do the same thing in /etc. Your big ones will be /etc/exports and /etc/hosts. You may also have to tweak /etc/hosts.allow. Obviously, use your common sense when making changes. --TP From wiz8 at mac.com Fri Nov 19 05:57:28 2004 From: wiz8 at mac.com (Paul Vittorino) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:57:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] asterisk PBX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 11, 2004, at 7:18 AM, Mark Orenstein wrote: > > Does anyone have experience using asterisk within a K12 school. I'm > investigating using it as a voice mail system for a small elementary > school > having 12 teachers. The teachers would listen to their voice mail > using > their classroom PC; there are no phones within the classrooms. It > would > supplement the existing 1989 vintage Merlin Plus system in the school > which > has only one phone available to the teachers. You might take a look at Blue Lava Software. They have computers that come preloaded with Asterisk and pre-configured for included SIP phones. I just happened upon them in surfing. http://www.bluelavasoftware.com/cgi-bin/edit/BLWeb/ProductInfo If the cost must be kept to a minimum, then you could always set it up yourself and use a few handsets if they weren't comfortable with using their computer. At $65, they seem to be the cheapest I've seen for a full fledged SIP phone. http://voipstore.pulver.com/product_info.php?products_id=33 Paul From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Nov 19 06:21:52 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:21:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Single nic install - Terrell? Message-ID: <1100845312.14323.111.camel@localhost.localdomain> Terrell Prud?? wrote: ____________________________________________________________ Jennifer Waters wrote: snip ----> I reinstalled the software to see if that would make any difference. I noticed that there are many changes that I have to make in order to have the server actually work. I need to start writing directions so that I know what changes I have made. Yes, I put the correct address for my server into lts.conf. I am only using one nic card. I do not have the dhcp server, that is done by the district. I just don't know what to do. Any more suggestions? Jennifer ____________________________________________________________ Tell us as much as you can about that DHCP server. And yes, you do have to make a number of changes; fortunately, almost all of them are under /opt/ltsp/i386/etc. I also run a single-NIC install the same way you're trying to do, and for the same reason (the district handles DHCP--turns out I'm the district DHCP admin, too). I've come to greatly appreciate single-NIC installs. -->Snip Terrell, What is the impact on the rest of the network with the single nic install? Here's where I'm at. Two LTSP servers in operation one more on the way. Each LTS server will be connected to: * 10/100 NFS /home on private segment 192.168.1.0 * One of 3 separate 10/100 LTSP Segments 192.168.0.0 Copper Gig E to each switch. * 10/100 School LAN 10.0.0.0 MS Terminal Server will be connected to: * 10/100 School LAN 10.0.0.0 for Internet connection and * ??? I'm leaning toward connecting the MS Terminal to the 192.168.2.0 segment. Maybe I should rethink this. Our 5 buildings are connected via 10/100 fiber. As we expand into additional classrooms maybe there's a better way to configure our network? For this pilot I am running a separate Gig E copper from the new server to a new (dedicated to LTSP) switch. Regards, John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Nov 19 06:48:26 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:48:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 95 In-Reply-To: <20041119000407.48E7172DF0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041119000407.48E7172DF0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100846905.14323.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> Terrell Prud Wrote: Hello John, As long as you're not running MS Office and FrontPage, or any similar bloatware, then, based on my experience with Windows 2000 and NT 4.0 TSE, you should be fine with 10-15 users. Folks on this list have said that Windows Server 2003 has a more efficient terminal server subsystem than its predecessors (that wouldn't be saying much, believe me). Therefore, I'd say that, as long as you kept the apps lightweight, I'd guess that 20 is feasible. Best way to find out: give it a shot and see how it goes. If the quad 500 doesn't cut the mustard, then yes, you can move the OS and CALs to a new server, so long as they're wiped clean from the original server. --TP Terrell, After reading: the TermServScaling.doc located at: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/techinfo/overview/tsscaling.mspx I think I'm going to be ok with this Proliant 6000. When I first mentioned these servers on the list back in the summer someone explained it to me this way. Each application run off these servers will only run at 500 Mhz but the server will be able to run lots of them. I'll know tomorrow. I loaded 2003 and connected it to one segment in the lab (20 terminals). I am going to test it with 2 GB ram and see what happens. I need to plan for the unlikely event that there will be 50 concurrent users. It would be great if I could send out the apps in a window without the windows desktop. If I have to, I'll strip out the ram from the other two for a total of 5GB. John From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 19 07:46:36 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:46:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Quick question, where's the download url for FC3 & 4.2 ? I just finished builing beta #1... it is at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/ -Eric From odin at myeye.mine.nu Fri Nov 19 09:31:52 2004 From: odin at myeye.mine.nu (Odin Nosen) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:31:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Java Media Frame (JMF) and Java 3D Message-ID: <20041119093006.M27441@myeye.mine.nu> How can I install Java Media Frame (JMF) (and Java3D) in K12LTSP so that all the LTSP-clients and -users can use it? "?" from Odin From john at coronet.co.uk Fri Nov 19 11:07:52 2004 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:07:52 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 pre-release - BIND problem? In-Reply-To: <20041119055750.3BF5C72EA4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041119055750.3BF5C72EA4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100862472.1293.43.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Upgrading my test server to 4.2.0 went very well, all except for upgrading BIND: the last three entries in the upgraded caching named.conf don't look right (see below), and DNS didn't work. Restoring (the chroot jailed) named.conf.rpmsave has DNS working OK, so far as I can see. 4.2.0 looks and works great, and I'm planning to go ahead and upgrade from 3.1.x John Ingleby ************ named.conf after upgrading: // // named.conf for Red Hat caching-nameserver // options { directory "/var/named"; dump-file "/var/named/data/cache_dump.db"; statistics-file "/var/named/data/named_stats.txt"; /* * If there is a firewall between you and nameservers you want * to talk to, you might need to uncomment the query-source * directive below. Previous versions of BIND always asked * questions using port 53, but BIND 8.1 uses an unprivileged * port by default. */ // query-source address * port 53; }; // // a caching only nameserver config // controls { inet 127.0.0.1 allow { localhost; } keys { rndckey; }; }; zone "." IN { type hint; file "named.ca"; }; zone "localdomain" IN { type master; file "localdomain.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "localhost" IN { type master; file "localhost.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.ip6.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.ip6.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "255.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.broadcast"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.zero"; allow-update { none; }; }; include "/etc/rndc.key"; ***** From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Fri Nov 19 12:47:47 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:47:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419C141F.4060206@execulink.com> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <419C141F.4060206@execulink.com> Message-ID: <419DEB73.9040704@myrealbox.com> I hate to say this, but the business teachers are right . Now before anyone kicks me off the list, let me explain and give a quick anecdote. I spend 98% of my working time consulting with companies in the manufacturing sector, mostly $50 million/year and smaller (US dollars). M$ is the defacto standard. However, I have found some very good and interesting uses for OSS (mostly Linux) in the backoffice. One of my clients has saved his small company somewhere between $150,000 and $200,000 (US) in licensing fees by installing Linux/Samba/Winbind servers to handle file storage. I think this is a fantastic idea AND it shows management that IT really does care and wants to help save where they can, AND that OSS is stable and ready for the "big time". I realize that I'm probably speaking to the proverbial choir, but I had to toss in my coins. best to all, KJ Jason wrote: > The business teachers seemed convinced that M$ is the status-quo when > I think they should be exploring other operating systems. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 19 13:15:52 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:15:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Single nic install - Terrell? In-Reply-To: <1100845312.14323.111.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100845312.14323.111.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <419DF208.3050506@cmosnetworks.com> John Baillie wrote: >Terrell Prud?? wrote: > >____________________________________________________________ >Jennifer Waters wrote: > > snip ----> > > > I reinstalled the software to see if that would make > any difference. I noticed that there are many changes > that I have to make in order to have the server > actually work. I need to start writing directions so > that I know what changes I have made. Yes, I put the > correct address for my server into lts.conf. > I am only using one nic card. I do not have the dhcp > server, that is done by the district. > I just don't know what to do. Any more suggestions? > > Jennifer > >____________________________________________________________ > >Tell us as much as you can about that DHCP server. And yes, you do have >to make a number of changes; fortunately, almost all of them are under >/opt/ltsp/i386/etc. I also run a single-NIC install the same way you're >trying to do, and for the same reason (the district handles DHCP--turns >out I'm the district DHCP admin, too). I've come to greatly appreciate >single-NIC installs. > > > >-->Snip > > > >Terrell, > >What is the impact on the rest of the network with the single nic >install? > >Here's where I'm at. > >Two LTSP servers in operation one more on the way. > >Each LTS server will be connected to: >* 10/100 NFS /home on private segment 192.168.1.0 >* One of 3 separate 10/100 LTSP Segments 192.168.0.0 Copper Gig E to >each switch. >* 10/100 School LAN 10.0.0.0 > >MS Terminal Server will be connected to: > >* 10/100 School LAN 10.0.0.0 for Internet connection >and >* ??? > >I'm leaning toward connecting the MS Terminal to the 192.168.2.0 >segment. > >Maybe I should rethink this. > >Our 5 buildings are connected via 10/100 fiber. As we expand into >additional classrooms maybe there's a better way to configure our >network? For this pilot I am running a separate Gig E copper from the >new server to a new (dedicated to LTSP) switch. > >Regards, > >John > > > Warning: the below is a bit lengthy, but hopefully complete. For the single-NIC install, you'd need Gig-E on the school LAN, one Gig port for each LTS. If you've got decent quality switches, then the switch backplane should have no trouble supporting a LTSP deployment with this architecture. If you can't do that (say, no available Gig ports), then I'd say continue with the dual-NIC installs; there's nothing at all wrong with them provided that district policy allows you to have more than one DHCP server (mine doesn't). The two main advantages for me for the single-NIC install on the main school LAN is that 1.) the LTS doubles as a Samba 3 file server for the entire school, so the Windows-running office staff can use the LTS as well. Thus, they have an immediate vested interest in that server not going away. :-) 2.) I can stand up a thin client anywhere in the school, and I don't have to think about which VLAN the switch port's in. This is very nice for the on-site tech dude. The disadvantage is that, if you've got more than one LTS, you'll need to learn a little more about XDMCP and the X11 chooser. Not too hard to get going, but it means yet a bit more learning. If you've got an existing LDAP server, though, and your LTSP authentication is done at the LDAP server, then it is easy to see how you could stand up thirty LTSP boxes, all authenticating against the LDAP server, and if one LTS crashes, so what--big deal! You've got 29 others that those same folks can use, and since we're storing everything on a Big, Bad, Central NFS box, they still have instant access to their files from any of those other 29 without further work from you. The single-NIC install is the only way I would ever consider going in such a case, unless you want to deal with (in this example) thirty-one VLANs in your switch architecture. For the MS Terminal Server, you won't need quite as much bandwidth as you do for LTSs, as RDP is less bandwidth-intensive than X11 (also somewhat less flexible, though). I see no reason why you couldn't put the MS Terminal Server on the school LAN, unless you want your MS terminal sessions to be able to access the NFS server on the 192.168.1.0/24 segment. But here's the catch. Do you want anyone from anywhere in the school to be able to term-srv into, or otherwise access (files, printers, etc.), that MS box? If so, he'll need to be on the 10.0.0.0 network, which means no access to the NFS server, which might, for all I know, also be running Samba. How about just putting both your NFS server and your MS term server on the school LAN? Have your bandwidth calculations said that you're better off with the NFS server on a private segment? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 19 13:38:48 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:38:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419DEB73.9040704@myrealbox.com> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <419C141F.4060206@execulink.com> <419DEB73.9040704@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <419DF768.4000005@cmosnetworks.com> Hello KJ, You're right to duck like that. The reason is that we are educators of *concepts* in K12 schools. Having come from corporate myself, I don't see any justification for turning fourth-graders into "Good Little Employees" ready to be trained monkeys on specific applications. Children don't learn how to write on just Avery-brand paper. They learn how to write. Period. Same with math--we don't teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide only on HP calculators. Rather, we teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide, period. Same with cars. The auto shop in every high school I've ever seen that has one teaches the kids how to work on cars, not just Fords, not just Chevys, not just Toyotas, etc. They teach *automobiles*. What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word processing. Same with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation software. I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft products; they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and can't--hire them. Several educators have found that, when children are exposed to multiple implementations of the same concept, they get that concept a whole lot better. I have found that to be true of myself even to this day. Schools do not have the same goals as corporations. Corporations care strictly and only about the bottom line for shareholders. The mission of schools, by contrast, is to get a young mind to develop and open up to new ideas. K12 schools are not Voc-Tech institutes like ITT. They're centers of general mental development, teaching children of all ages how to learn. Am I opposed to children learning about Microsoft Windows and Office? Not really. Am I opposed to children learning about *ONLY* Microsoft Windows and Office? Yes! If you think I'm wrong here, then, one corporate person to another, I'd like to know your thoughts. --TP KJ wrote: > I hate to say this, but the business teachers are right . > Now before anyone kicks me off the list, > let me explain and give a quick anecdote. I spend 98% of my working > time consulting with companies in the manufacturing sector, mostly $50 > million/year and smaller (US dollars). M$ is the defacto standard. > However, I have found some very good and interesting uses for OSS > (mostly Linux) in the backoffice. One of my clients has saved his > small company somewhere between $150,000 and $200,000 (US) in > licensing fees by installing Linux/Samba/Winbind servers to handle > file storage. I think this is a fantastic idea AND it shows > management that IT really does care and wants to help save where they > can, AND that OSS is stable and ready for the "big time". I realize > that I'm probably speaking to the proverbial choir, but I had to toss > in my coins. > best to all, > KJ > > Jason wrote: > >> The business teachers seemed convinced that M$ is the status-quo when >> I think they should be exploring other operating systems. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 19 14:16:54 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:16:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419DF768.4000005@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Terrell, This is one of the best set of analogies and yet the simplest single argument I have seen yet to exercise the point of OSS. If you don't mind I would like your permission to print this and keep to present to the narrow-minded individuals I run into in the future. I have been quietly attempting to gather data to help prove this point in the schools I support. Everyone always tells me they need certain software to teach. Instead this year I am asking all of the teachers to put together an outline of the goals they hope to achieve when teaching students technology. I have instructed them to not give me stuff like to learn Word, or Accelerated Reader. But to give me stuff like to learn to type, to learn to use a word processor, and to also break down the range of skills they hope to teach in those categories such as how to bold, underline, create tables, etc. Once they give me that list not knowing the real reason why, I will find software that helps them teach all of their stated goals and use their own documentation to prove my point. At least that is my plan :-) Thanks, > You're right to duck like that. The reason is that we are > educators of > *concepts* in K12 schools. Having come from corporate > myself, I don't > see any justification for turning fourth-graders into "Good Little > Employees" ready to be trained monkeys on specific applications. > Children don't learn how to write on just Avery-brand paper. > They learn > how to write. Period. Same with math--we don't teach them > how to add, > subtract, multiply, and divide only on HP calculators. > Rather, we teach > them how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide, period. Same with > cars. The auto shop in every high school I've ever seen that has one > teaches the kids how to work on cars, not just Fords, not > just Chevys, > not just Toyotas, etc. They teach *automobiles*. > > What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word > processing. Same > with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation > software. I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft > products; > they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and can't--hire them. > Several educators have found that, when children are exposed > to multiple > implementations of the same concept, they get that concept a > whole lot > better. I have found that to be true of myself even to this day. > > Schools do not have the same goals as corporations. > Corporations care > strictly and only about the bottom line for shareholders. > The mission > of schools, by contrast, is to get a young mind to develop > and open up > to new ideas. K12 schools are not Voc-Tech institutes like ITT. > They're centers of general mental development, teaching > children of all > ages how to learn. Am I opposed to children learning about Microsoft > Windows and Office? Not really. Am I opposed to children learning > about *ONLY* Microsoft Windows and Office? Yes! > > If you think I'm wrong here, then, one corporate person to > another, I'd > like to know your thoughts. > > --TP --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.797 / Virus Database: 541 - Release Date: 11/15/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Fri Nov 19 14:19:57 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419DF768.4000005@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <419C141F.4060206@execulink.com> <419DEB73.9040704@myrealbox.com> <419DF768.4000005@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <419E010D.6030308@myrealbox.com> Hey Terrell, I have, in my usual way, not communicated in written word properly. I agree with you 100%. I am installing LTSP in a local private K12 school, at quite a cost to myself. Could the school go out and get grants from M$ and Dell, probably, do I want them too, NO! I want the kids to learn. They'll get the big guys anyway, I want them to be fans of OSS. I apologize if I sounded like a M$ evangelist. I'm not, I was simply saying that the business teachers are correct, it is the standard and I understand their point. However, much like we don't want our children and students to learn only the English language, but grammar so that the concept is there and they can (and should) learn other languages. The same with the computer, M$ may be the standard (for now) but we don't want our children and students to learn only M$ technology, we want them to learn the concepts. That's why I run Apple OS X at home, Linux and LTSP is going into my kids school and when it comes time for their own systems, my kids will have a choice, but I hope they will go for another OS (or OS's) over Microsoft. sorry for not communicating properly. KJ written on a computer running Microsoft XP, because my job requires it. Written using Mozilla's Thunderbird because I can choose it! :-) Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Hello KJ, > > You're right to duck like that. The reason is that we are educators > of *concepts* in K12 schools. Having come from corporate myself, I > don't see any justification for turning fourth-graders into "Good > Little Employees" ready to be trained monkeys on specific > applications. Children don't learn how to write on just Avery-brand > paper. They learn how to write. Period. Same with math--we don't > teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide only on HP > calculators. Rather, we teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, > and divide, period. Same with cars. The auto shop in every high > school I've ever seen that has one teaches the kids how to work on > cars, not just Fords, not just Chevys, not just Toyotas, etc. They > teach *automobiles*. > > What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word processing. > Same with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation > software. I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft > products; they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and > can't--hire them. Several educators have found that, when children > are exposed to multiple implementations of the same concept, they get > that concept a whole lot better. I have found that to be true of > myself even to this day. > > Schools do not have the same goals as corporations. Corporations care > strictly and only about the bottom line for shareholders. The mission > of schools, by contrast, is to get a young mind to develop and open up > to new ideas. K12 schools are not Voc-Tech institutes like ITT. > They're centers of general mental development, teaching children of > all ages how to learn. Am I opposed to children learning about > Microsoft Windows and Office? Not really. Am I opposed to children > learning about *ONLY* Microsoft Windows and Office? Yes! > > If you think I'm wrong here, then, one corporate person to another, > I'd like to know your thoughts. > > --TP > From accessys at smart.net Fri Nov 19 14:33:10 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:33:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E010D.6030308@myrealbox.com> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <419C141F.4060206@execulink.com> <419DEB73.9040704@myrealbox.com> <419DF768.4000005@cmosnetworks.com> <419E010D.6030308@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, KJ wrote: > I am installing LTSP in a local private K12 school, at quite a cost to > myself. Could the school go out and get grants from M$ and Dell, > probably, do I want them too, NO! I want the kids to learn. They'll I thought that as part of the settlement agreement you could get the equipment and grants and specify a different operating system or no system. would be interesting to see about getting an equipment grant, but specifically request that the system on the machines be K12OSN or similar. > I apologize if I sounded like a M$ evangelist. I'm not, I was simply > saying that the business teachers are correct, it is the standard and I > understand their point. catch 22, M$ is the system because it is what is taught and it is taught because they think it is the system, round and round we go. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From bimalp at indoasian.com Fri Nov 19 14:28:46 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 19 Nov 2004 19:58:46 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419DF768.4000005@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <419C141F.4060206@execulink.com> <419DEB73.9040704@myrealbox.com> <419DF768.4000005@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1100874526.4958.6.camel@bp5575> Excellent Terrell, great a marvelous thought/view and an open debate -- no one could deny or disagree. my complete support to cause. regards, bimal On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 19:08, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > Hello KJ, > > You're right to duck like that. The reason is that we are educators of > *concepts* in K12 schools. Having come from corporate myself, I don't > see any justification for turning fourth-graders into "Good Little > Employees" ready to be trained monkeys on specific applications. > Children don't learn how to write on just Avery-brand paper. They learn > how to write. Period. Same with math--we don't teach them how to add, > subtract, multiply, and divide only on HP calculators. Rather, we teach > them how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide, period. Same with > cars. The auto shop in every high school I've ever seen that has one > teaches the kids how to work on cars, not just Fords, not just Chevys, > not just Toyotas, etc. They teach *automobiles*. > > What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word processing. Same > with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation > software. I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft products; > they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and can't--hire them. > Several educators have found that, when children are exposed to multiple > implementations of the same concept, they get that concept a whole lot > better. I have found that to be true of myself even to this day. > > Schools do not have the same goals as corporations. Corporations care > strictly and only about the bottom line for shareholders. The mission > of schools, by contrast, is to get a young mind to develop and open up > to new ideas. K12 schools are not Voc-Tech institutes like ITT. > They're centers of general mental development, teaching children of all > ages how to learn. Am I opposed to children learning about Microsoft > Windows and Office? Not really. Am I opposed to children learning > about *ONLY* Microsoft Windows and Office? Yes! > > If you think I'm wrong here, then, one corporate person to another, I'd > like to know your thoughts. > > --TP > > KJ wrote: > > > I hate to say this, but the business teachers are right . > > Now before anyone kicks me off the list, > > let me explain and give a quick anecdote. I spend 98% of my working > > time consulting with companies in the manufacturing sector, mostly $50 > > million/year and smaller (US dollars). M$ is the defacto standard. > > However, I have found some very good and interesting uses for OSS > > (mostly Linux) in the backoffice. One of my clients has saved his > > small company somewhere between $150,000 and $200,000 (US) in > > licensing fees by installing Linux/Samba/Winbind servers to handle > > file storage. I think this is a fantastic idea AND it shows > > management that IT really does care and wants to help save where they > > can, AND that OSS is stable and ready for the "big time". I realize > > that I'm probably speaking to the proverbial choir, but I had to toss > > in my coins. > > best to all, > > KJ > > > > Jason wrote: > > > >> The business teachers seemed convinced that M$ is the status-quo when > >> I think they should be exploring other operating systems. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Fri Nov 19 15:39:44 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:39:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100828365.2723.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041117154633.99886.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> <419B9ECC.8090408@myrealbox.com> <1100828365.2723.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100878784.9998.5.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> Hi Cory, I have managed to stop my clients from communicating, but unfortunately it was with anything at all. I took the eth0 out of the trusted devices list, then I couldn't boot. I stopped forwarding, however I can still get to the internet. Here is the output of the requested commands: ---------------------- [root at LTSP root]# iptables -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere icmp any ACCEPT ipv6-crypt-- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT ipv6-auth-- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:http ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:https[root at LTSP root]# iptables -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere icmp any ACCEPT ipv6-crypt-- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT ipv6-auth-- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:http ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:https ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:ssh ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:2022 REJECT all -- anywhere anywhere reject-with icmp-host-prohibited [root at LTSP root]# ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:ssh ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:2022 REJECT all -- anywhere anywhere reject-with icmp-host-prohibited [root at LTSP root]# -------------------------------------- [root at LTSP root]# iptables -t nat -L Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination REDIRECT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:http redir ports 3128 Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination [root at LTSP root]# ------------------------------------- My system is accessible to the outside via SSH. Thanks again for your help. KJ On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 20:39, Cory Cartwright wrote: > Hi KJ, > I was going to try to recreate what you have, but my servers are not > being cooperative. It seems the physical stuff is fine, as you can boot > and get to the Internet. I think from here I would try to "break" my > ability of my thin client to reach the other network. Maybe start by > turning off forwarding? echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > What is is the output of iptables -nat -L and iptables -L? > is this system accessible to the outside via ssh? > > Cory > From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Nov 19 16:03:44 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:03:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A2B@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of KJ >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:20 AM >> >> I apologize if I sounded like a M$ evangelist. I'm not, I was >> simply saying that the business teachers are correct, it is the >> standard and I understand their point. While I a) understand what you are saying here and b) agree that MS software is "the standard in business" (at least on the desktop) and c) understand the business teachers point, I also disagree that the business teachers are correct. I believe they are very wrong. No one here is disputing that MS Office is much more widely used than (say) OpenOffice. The dispute is over whether this implies we should teach MS Office which is what the business teachers in question are doing. The point (in my opinion) is that this conclusion (and therefore the business teachers who make it) is wrong. The fact that MS Office is "the standard in business" is, if not completely irrelevant to the discussion, at least not central. In fact, I think that most business people you ask will agree that knowledge of MS Word is completely useless in a potential employee if they cannot write (unless perhaps you are hiring an old fashioned secretary who will do nothing but type someone else's words). In the same way, knowledge of Photoshop in a potential employee is completely useless if the person is not at least a little bit artistic. Furthermore, claims that MS software is the standard in business anywhere other than the desktop are less obviously true and in some cases certainly false. -- Henry From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 19 16:06:40 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:06:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100878784.9998.5.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> References: <20041117154633.99886.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> <419B9ECC.8090408@myrealbox.com> <1100828365.2723.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100878784.9998.5.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> Message-ID: <1100880400.28770.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 09:39, KJ wrote: > Hi Cory, > I have managed to stop my clients from communicating, but unfortunately > it was with anything at all. I took the eth0 out of the trusted devices > list, then I couldn't boot. > > I stopped forwarding, however I can still get to the internet. Programs that appear to be running on the thin clients actually run at the server with their X display appearing on the clients. Thus reaching the internet does not require forwarding. If you are trying to enforce access through a transparent squid you should do it on a separate box 'upstream', that appears as the default gateway to your server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Fri Nov 19 16:20:18 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:20:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A2B@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A2B@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1100881074.9998.21.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> Hi Henry, Interesting point. I had not read that post as the teachers were saying "we should only teach this because etc" I read it as they were simply stating the fact that M$ is the standard on the desktop. Which as you pointed out is true. I agree with you that the concepts should be taught, the medium is not important. That leads to my belief that if it saves the taxpayers money AND accomplishes the desired result it should be heralded and championed by all. KJ On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:03, Henry Hartley wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of KJ > >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:20 AM > >> > >> I apologize if I sounded like a M$ evangelist. I'm not, I was > >> simply saying that the business teachers are correct, it is the > >> standard and I understand their point. > > While I > a) understand what you are saying here and > b) agree that MS software is "the standard in business" (at least > on the desktop) and > c) understand the business teachers point, > > I also disagree that the business teachers are correct. I believe > they are very wrong. No one here is disputing that MS Office is > much more widely used than (say) OpenOffice. The dispute is over > whether this implies we should teach MS Office which is what the > business teachers in question are doing. The point (in my opinion) > is that this conclusion (and therefore the business teachers who > make it) is wrong. The fact that MS Office is "the standard in > business" is, if not completely irrelevant to the discussion, at > least not central. > > In fact, I think that most business people you ask will agree that > knowledge of MS Word is completely useless in a potential employee > if they cannot write (unless perhaps you are hiring an old fashioned > secretary who will do nothing but type someone else's words). In > the same way, knowledge of Photoshop in a potential employee is > completely useless if the person is not at least a little bit > artistic. > > Furthermore, claims that MS software is the standard in business > anywhere other than the desktop are less obviously true and in some > cases certainly false. From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Fri Nov 19 16:20:20 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:20:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables and prerouting for squid In-Reply-To: <1100880400.28770.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20041117154633.99886.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> <419B9ECC.8090408@myrealbox.com> <1100828365.2723.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100878784.9998.5.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> <1100880400.28770.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1100881190.9998.25.camel@LTSP.christianheritageschool.org> Thank you Les, that makes logical sense to me. Thank you Cory for your time! I really appreciate it. now off to build another server. :-) best, KJ On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:06, Les Mikesell wrote: > Programs that appear to be running on the thin clients actually > run at the server with their X display appearing on the clients. > Thus reaching the internet does not require forwarding. If you > are trying to enforce access through a transparent squid you > should do it on a separate box 'upstream', that appears as the > default gateway to your server. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Nov 19 17:09:36 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:09:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PROXY, CACHES, and secure sites??? Message-ID: Maybe you can help educate me. I'm using an SME server as my gateway and it also is my proxy server (Squid) using DansGuardian and doing transparent proxying. Some folks I talked to recently felt that using a proxy server was a security risk as it caches secure sites that can then be opened by anyone. I've never heard of this happening...is it true and if so...preventable? Am I (or actually they) worried about nothing? Any info welcome. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Nov 19 17:15:19 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:15:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks so much for your help....I tweaked it a little to meet my needs, but I know several folks made suggestions after Petre posted his script....below is what I have thus far and it works, but I'm interested in making it the best it can be....if you see something can you make the change where it goes and repost? Thanks! It's below..... !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." mkdir /home/${x}/win-backup chown ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup" cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup" cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup" cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup chown -R ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup done PS...where's the best place to get some tutorials or references so I can get better at scripting like this? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Nov 19 17:15:19 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:15:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks so much for your help....I tweaked it a little to meet my needs, but I know several folks made suggestions after Petre posted his script....below is what I have thus far and it works, but I'm interested in making it the best it can be....if you see something can you make the change where it goes and repost? Thanks! It's below..... !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." mkdir /home/${x}/win-backup chown ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup" cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup" cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup" cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup chown -R ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup done PS...where's the best place to get some tutorials or references so I can get better at scripting like this? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robowens at myway.com Fri Nov 19 17:06:20 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:06:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off Message-ID: <20041119170620.B20F039CF@mprdmxin.myway.com> I think one of the best points made was that this is not ITT or some vocational school. A vocational school is responsible for preparing you for a job which you might take in a matter of months and as such, it would make sense for them to teach the "industry standard" software. But for any student who plans on being a student for the next few years, it really doesn't matter what brand software is used. The "industry standard" might be different by the time the student gets a job, and even if the brand is the same a few years later, it most likely will have gone through multiple new versions requiring the student to at least partially relearn it anyway. Maybe the business teachers in question need to be reminded of the fact that their students will not be getting jobs tomorrow, but likely will be heading for 4 years of college once they're done with highschool. And if they won't budge in their beliefs, then get Windows terminal services in there alongside K12LTSP, so the students and faculty can at least be exposed to some Linux. -Rob --- On Fri 11/19, KJ < ksj2010 at myrealbox.com > wrote: From: KJ [mailto: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:20:18 -0500 Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Linux cut off Hi Henry,
Interesting point. I had not read that post as the teachers were saying
"we should only teach this because etc" I read it as they were simply
stating the fact that M$ is the standard on the desktop. Which as you
pointed out is true. I agree with you that the concepts should be
taught, the medium is not important. That leads to my belief that if it
saves the taxpayers money AND accomplishes the desired result it should
be heralded and championed by all.

KJ

On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:03, Henry Hartley wrote:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On
> Behalf Of KJ
> >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:20 AM
> >>
> >> I apologize if I sounded like a M$ evangelist. I'm not, I was
> >> simply saying that the business teachers are correct, it is the
> >> standard and I understand their point.
>
> While I
> a) understand what you ar! e saying here and
> b) agree that MS software is "the standard in business" (at least
> on the desktop) and
> c) understand the business teachers point,
>
> I also disagree that the business teachers are correct. I believe
> they are very wrong. No one here is disputing that MS Office is
> much more widely used than (say) OpenOffice. The dispute is over
> whether this implies we should teach MS Office which is what the
> business teachers in question are doing. The point (in my opinion)
> is that this conclusion (and therefore the business teachers who
> make it) is wrong. The fact that MS Office is "the standard in
> business" is, if not completely irrelevant to the discussion, at
> least not central.
>
> In fact, I think that most business people you ask will agree that
> knowledge of MS Word is completely useless in a potential employee
> if they cannot write (unless perhaps you are hiring an old fashioned
> ! secretary who will do nothing but type someone else's words).! In
> the same way, knowledge of Photoshop in a potential employee is
> completely useless if the person is not at least a little bit
> artistic.
>
> Furthermore, claims that MS software is the standard in business
> anywhere other than the desktop are less obviously true and in some
> cases certainly false.

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From ron at ron.dk Fri Nov 19 17:17:46 2004 From: ron at ron.dk (Rasmus Ory Nielsen) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:17:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100884666.15837.13.camel@jupiter> Hi David > PS...where's the best place to get some tutorials or references so I can > get better at scripting like this? Take a look at http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ Best regards Rasmus Ory Nielsen From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Nov 19 17:29:10 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:29:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] should I be worried about this? Message-ID: <000301c4ce5d$48adb300$0401000a@winworkstation> I get this when I try to ssh into my k12ltsp server. It just started happening after I rebooted last night. [root at girlwhocouldfly root]# ssh 69.30.69.155 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is 77:09:0d:18:02:84:dd:ed:53:c6:93:df:5a:c9:0c:ca. Please contact your system administrator. Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:2 RSA host key for 69.30.69.155 has changed and you have requested strict checking. Host key verification failed. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 19 17:26:33 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:26:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> Permission is certainly granted. Go for it! BTW, I have, for the last year, been able to go completely to GNU/Linux on my desktop, without ever touching a single Win32 app on said desktop. This is in a total and complete dyed-in-the-wool Microsoft shop. It is possible, and it's no longer hard. --TP Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Terrell, > This is one of the best set of analogies and yet the simplest single >argument I have seen yet to exercise the point of OSS. If you don't >mind I would like your permission to print this and keep to present to >the narrow-minded individuals I run into in the future. > > I have been quietly attempting to gather data to help prove this >point in the schools I support. Everyone always tells me they need >certain software to teach. Instead this year I am asking all of the >teachers to put together an outline of the goals they hope to achieve >when teaching students technology. I have instructed them to not give >me stuff like to learn Word, or Accelerated Reader. But to give me >stuff like to learn to type, to learn to use a word processor, and to >also break down the range of skills they hope to teach in those >categories such as how to bold, underline, create tables, etc. Once >they give me that list not knowing the real reason why, I will find >software that helps them teach all of their stated goals and use their >own documentation to prove my point. At least that is my plan :-) > >Thanks, > > > >>You're right to duck like that. The reason is that we are >>educators of >>*concepts* in K12 schools. Having come from corporate >>myself, I don't >>see any justification for turning fourth-graders into "Good Little >>Employees" ready to be trained monkeys on specific applications. >>Children don't learn how to write on just Avery-brand paper. >>They learn >>how to write. Period. Same with math--we don't teach them >>how to add, >>subtract, multiply, and divide only on HP calculators. >>Rather, we teach >>them how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide, period. Same with >>cars. The auto shop in every high school I've ever seen that has one >>teaches the kids how to work on cars, not just Fords, not >>just Chevys, >>not just Toyotas, etc. They teach *automobiles*. >> >>What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word >>processing. Same >>with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation >>software. I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft >>products; >>they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and can't--hire them. >>Several educators have found that, when children are exposed >>to multiple >>implementations of the same concept, they get that concept a >>whole lot >>better. I have found that to be true of myself even to this day. >> >>Schools do not have the same goals as corporations. >>Corporations care >>strictly and only about the bottom line for shareholders. >>The mission >>of schools, by contrast, is to get a young mind to develop >>and open up >>to new ideas. K12 schools are not Voc-Tech institutes like ITT. >>They're centers of general mental development, teaching >>children of all >>ages how to learn. Am I opposed to children learning about Microsoft >>Windows and Office? Not really. Am I opposed to children learning >>about *ONLY* Microsoft Windows and Office? Yes! >> >>If you think I'm wrong here, then, one corporate person to >>another, I'd >>like to know your thoughts. >> >>--TP >> >> From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 19 17:27:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:27:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] PROXY, CACHES, and secure sites??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100885220.28770.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:09, David Trask wrote: > Maybe you can help educate me. I'm using an SME server as my gateway and > it also is my proxy server (Squid) using DansGuardian and doing > transparent proxying. Some folks I talked to recently felt that using a > proxy server was a security risk as it caches secure sites that can then > be opened by anyone. I've never heard of this happening...is it true and > if so...preventable? Am I (or actually they) worried about nothing? Any > info welcome. (A) Pages that should not be cached should be marked as such by the server with appropriate http headers, and (B) Pages that require authentication or session cookies are not cached anyway. These are true whether the connection is secure or not and apply nearly as much to the browser itself and it's local file cache which may not be on a secure machine. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Nov 19 17:30:29 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:30:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] should I be worried about this? In-Reply-To: <000301c4ce5d$48adb300$0401000a@winworkstation> References: <000301c4ce5d$48adb300$0401000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <419E2DB5.2010303@cfl.rr.com> If the server was rebuilt and new SSH keys generated, this message is normal. You can fix this by going to your $HOME/.ssh directory and deleting known_hosts file. If the server that you trying to connect to has NOT been rebuilt, your security was probably compromised, suggest new ssh-keygen. Carl Keil wrote: >I get this when I try to ssh into my k12ltsp server. >It just started happening after I rebooted last night. > >[root at girlwhocouldfly root]# ssh 69.30.69.155 >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >@ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! >Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! >It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. >The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is >77:09:0d:18:02:84:dd:ed:53:c6:93:df:5a:c9:0c:ca. >Please contact your system administrator. >Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. >Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:2 >RSA host key for 69.30.69.155 has changed and you have requested strict >checking. >Host key verification failed. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 19 17:32:11 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:32:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] should I be worried about this? In-Reply-To: <000301c4ce5d$48adb300$0401000a@winworkstation> References: <000301c4ce5d$48adb300$0401000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <419E2E1B.6020402@cmosnetworks.com> Yup, definitely worth investigation. I suspect one of the following things: 1.) The SSH key on that server got changed by some sysadmin. 2.) You got "0wned". Check your logs to see if someone did indeed crack your system. 3.) The key for that server in your local .ssh/known_hosts got changed. 4.) Someone stole your server's IP address and is running a sniffer on it. I hope it's innocent. But you'd best act as if it isn't until proven (not merely suspected, I mean proven) otherwise. --TP Carl Keil wrote: >I get this when I try to ssh into my k12ltsp server. >It just started happening after I rebooted last night. > >[root at girlwhocouldfly root]# ssh 69.30.69.155 >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >@ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! >Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! >It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. >The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is >77:09:0d:18:02:84:dd:ed:53:c6:93:df:5a:c9:0c:ca. >Please contact your system administrator. >Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. >Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:2 >RSA host key for 69.30.69.155 has changed and you have requested strict >checking. >Host key verification failed. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Fri Nov 19 17:33:03 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:33:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] should I be worried about this? In-Reply-To: <000301c4ce5d$48adb300$0401000a@winworkstation> References: <000301c4ce5d$48adb300$0401000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <200411191133.03329.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> El Viernes, 19 de Noviembre de 2004 11:29 AM, Carl Keil escribi?: > I get this when I try to ssh into my k12ltsp server. > It just started happening after I rebooted last night. > > [root at girlwhocouldfly root]# ssh 69.30.69.155 > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! > Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! > It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. > The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is > 77:09:0d:18:02:84:dd:ed:53:c6:93:df:5a:c9:0c:ca. > Please contact your system administrator. > Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. > Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:2 > RSA host key for 69.30.69.155 has changed and you have requested strict > checking. > Host key verification failed. You probably reinstalled or upgraded the K12LTSP host. Simply either delete /root/.ssh/known_hosts or delete the second line. Mario Guerra From scott at hosef.org Fri Nov 19 17:45:07 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:45:07 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419DF768.4000005@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <419C141F.4060206@execulink.com> <419DEB73.9040704@myrealbox.com> <419DF768.4000005@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <419E3123.3010204@hosef.org> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word processing. Same > with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation > software. I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft products; > they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and can't--hire them. > Several educators have found that, when children are exposed to multiple > implementations of the same concept, they get that concept a whole lot > better. I have found that to be true of myself even to this day. This is the most relevant argument for why we should have a mix of technologies in K-12. It is the point that we have been making for for the better part of a year anytime we speak with our Department of Education. http://www.hosef.org/projects/eschool/ilearning/presentationoo.sxi I do, however, address the job preparation role of schools. One of my 'objections' slides is that everyone uses Microsoft, so it would be irresponsible to use anything but in the schools. I overcome this objection by stating It is irresponsible and I daresay criminal to restrict the technical exposure of our children to just one Operating System. If in fact we intend to see our curricula lead to job creation, then we need to be certain that our children have the skills to work for the likes of Oracle, Novell, HP, IBM, Dell, BEA, Sun, etc. On their first day on the job at some of these companies, they may just be given a Linux Desktop. --scott From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Fri Nov 19 17:45:38 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:45:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> Hey Terrell, Not touching a Win32 app, that is fantastic!!! Do you have any pearls of wisdom for those of us who endeavor to get to that spot in life? Thank you! KJ Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Permission is certainly granted. Go for it! > > BTW, I have, for the last year, been able to go completely to > GNU/Linux on my desktop, without ever touching a single Win32 app on > said desktop. This is in a total and complete dyed-in-the-wool > Microsoft shop. It is possible, and it's no longer hard. > > --TP > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> Terrell, >> This is one of the best set of analogies and yet the simplest single >> argument I have seen yet to exercise the point of OSS. If you don't >> mind I would like your permission to print this and keep to present to >> the narrow-minded individuals I run into in the future. >> I have been quietly attempting to gather data to help prove this >> point in the schools I support. Everyone always tells me they need >> certain software to teach. Instead this year I am asking all of the >> teachers to put together an outline of the goals they hope to achieve >> when teaching students technology. I have instructed them to not give >> me stuff like to learn Word, or Accelerated Reader. But to give me >> stuff like to learn to type, to learn to use a word processor, and to >> also break down the range of skills they hope to teach in those >> categories such as how to bold, underline, create tables, etc. Once >> they give me that list not knowing the real reason why, I will find >> software that helps them teach all of their stated goals and use their >> own documentation to prove my point. At least that is my plan :-) >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >>> You're right to duck like that. The reason is that we are educators >>> of *concepts* in K12 schools. Having come from corporate myself, I >>> don't see any justification for turning fourth-graders into "Good >>> Little Employees" ready to be trained monkeys on specific >>> applications. Children don't learn how to write on just Avery-brand >>> paper. They learn how to write. Period. Same with math--we don't >>> teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide only on HP >>> calculators. Rather, we teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, >>> and divide, period. Same with cars. The auto shop in every high >>> school I've ever seen that has one teaches the kids how to work on >>> cars, not just Fords, not just Chevys, not just Toyotas, etc. They >>> teach *automobiles*. >>> >>> What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word processing. >>> Same with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation >>> software. I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft >>> products; they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and >>> can't--hire them. Several educators have found that, when children >>> are exposed to multiple implementations of the same concept, they >>> get that concept a whole lot better. I have found that to be true >>> of myself even to this day. >>> >>> Schools do not have the same goals as corporations. Corporations >>> care strictly and only about the bottom line for shareholders. The >>> mission of schools, by contrast, is to get a young mind to develop >>> and open up to new ideas. K12 schools are not Voc-Tech institutes >>> like ITT. They're centers of general mental development, teaching >>> children of all ages how to learn. Am I opposed to children >>> learning about Microsoft Windows and Office? Not really. Am I >>> opposed to children learning about *ONLY* Microsoft Windows and >>> Office? Yes! >>> >>> If you think I'm wrong here, then, one corporate person to another, >>> I'd like to know your thoughts. >>> >>> --TP >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From accessys at smart.net Fri Nov 19 17:58:53 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:58:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, KJ wrote: > Hey Terrell, > Not touching a Win32 app, that is fantastic!!! my desktop and laptop have been 100% Linux for about 5 years now. > Do you have any pearls of wisdom for those of us who endeavor to get to > that spot in life? go cold turkey and figure it out. desperation breeds many great solutions. the first few weeks/months can be "Trying" but it can work. Now I would not really want anything that is on a windoze machine because I have it all on my current Linux machine(s) Bob > > Thank you! > KJ > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > > Permission is certainly granted. Go for it! > > > > BTW, I have, for the last year, been able to go completely to > > GNU/Linux on my desktop, without ever touching a single Win32 app on > > said desktop. This is in a total and complete dyed-in-the-wool > > Microsoft shop. It is possible, and it's no longer hard. > > > > --TP > > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >> Terrell, > >> This is one of the best set of analogies and yet the simplest single > >> argument I have seen yet to exercise the point of OSS. If you don't > >> mind I would like your permission to print this and keep to present to > >> the narrow-minded individuals I run into in the future. > >> I have been quietly attempting to gather data to help prove this > >> point in the schools I support. Everyone always tells me they need > >> certain software to teach. Instead this year I am asking all of the > >> teachers to put together an outline of the goals they hope to achieve > >> when teaching students technology. I have instructed them to not give > >> me stuff like to learn Word, or Accelerated Reader. But to give me > >> stuff like to learn to type, to learn to use a word processor, and to > >> also break down the range of skills they hope to teach in those > >> categories such as how to bold, underline, create tables, etc. Once > >> they give me that list not knowing the real reason why, I will find > >> software that helps them teach all of their stated goals and use their > >> own documentation to prove my point. At least that is my plan :-) > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >>> You're right to duck like that. The reason is that we are educators > >>> of *concepts* in K12 schools. Having come from corporate myself, I > >>> don't see any justification for turning fourth-graders into "Good > >>> Little Employees" ready to be trained monkeys on specific > >>> applications. Children don't learn how to write on just Avery-brand > >>> paper. They learn how to write. Period. Same with math--we don't > >>> teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide only on HP > >>> calculators. Rather, we teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, > >>> and divide, period. Same with cars. The auto shop in every high > >>> school I've ever seen that has one teaches the kids how to work on > >>> cars, not just Fords, not just Chevys, not just Toyotas, etc. They > >>> teach *automobiles*. > >>> > >>> What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word processing. > >>> Same with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation > >>> software. I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft > >>> products; they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and > >>> can't--hire them. Several educators have found that, when children > >>> are exposed to multiple implementations of the same concept, they > >>> get that concept a whole lot better. I have found that to be true > >>> of myself even to this day. > >>> > >>> Schools do not have the same goals as corporations. Corporations > >>> care strictly and only about the bottom line for shareholders. The > >>> mission of schools, by contrast, is to get a young mind to develop > >>> and open up to new ideas. K12 schools are not Voc-Tech institutes > >>> like ITT. They're centers of general mental development, teaching > >>> children of all ages how to learn. Am I opposed to children > >>> learning about Microsoft Windows and Office? Not really. Am I > >>> opposed to children learning about *ONLY* Microsoft Windows and > >>> Office? Yes! > >>> > >>> If you think I'm wrong here, then, one corporate person to another, > >>> I'd like to know your thoughts. > >>> > >>> --TP > >>> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From bill at computassist.com Fri Nov 19 18:03:39 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:03:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20041119120339.4dc4205c@heaven> On Friday, Nov 19 Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > BTW, I have, for the last year, been able to go completely to > GNU/Linux on my desktop, without ever touching a single Win32 app on > said desktop. This is in a total and complete dyed-in-the-wool > Microsoft shop. It is possible, and it's no longer hard. Yes! I have been using Linux exclusively on my desktop since 1998. I regularly exchange data and documents with my customers, and have never had much of a problem. In fact, I have more options than my customers do! One sends me her Word docs so that I can convert them to PDF in OpenOffice, something Word can't do on its own. The biggest hurdle for anyone making the switch is to get past the attitude, "You mean I can't have my !?", and start thinking this way: "What Linux apps perform function ? Of those available, which meets my needs best? OK, LET'S START USING IT!" People are averse to change. Until the fire gets hot enough under them, they will prefer to stay with whatever they're using now. Sadly, Microsoft has conditioned people to believe that viruses, spyware, closed source and license fees are the way things are. I can't believe the number of people I see replacing a _computer_, when simply replacing the _OS_ would solve their troubles. I'm currently running a test K12LTSP install on a computer that was thrown away by a customer because it wouldn't stay up for more than two hours at a time. Linux runs fine all day on it. I'm still placing my hope for change in the next generation. Some will have grown up with Linux or OS X, hopefully enough to keep the fires burning. K12LTSP will help immensely. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 19 18:12:56 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:12:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <419E37A8.3070004@cmosnetworks.com> Gladly. The jobs that I have to accomplish are as follows: 1.) MS Exchange email. Served by Ximian Evolution + Exchange Connector, yes, even before the ExchConn went GPL. 2.) Web browsing. I use two Web sites--Konqueror for Internet sites and Firefox+Java for internal sites. That means that I don't have to keep reconfiguring my Web browser to turn off JavaScript, cookies, etc. when I need to surf outside. My default browser, as far as Evolution is concerned, is Epiphany, with all that stuff turned off just like I did with Konqueror. 3.) Office automation. Obviously, OpenOffice.org. :-) I also will use Gnumeric and AbiWord at times. When it comes to MS Office interoperability, nothing beats OO.o, but these latter two are pretty decent (especially Gnumeric, which is very good) with MS formats. I have tried StarOffice 7, and I've found that, on the documents--quite a few of them very complex--that I've tried, OO.o and SO have shown me identical MS Office file compatibility, so, for me, there is no technical advantage to going with SO. 4.) Router/firewall management (my actual stated job function): SSH and telnet. We're working on getting rid of telnet completely; we're almost there. 5.) Accessing Windows shares: smbmount. Ends up looking and feeling a lot like My Network Places on Win32. There is the possibility that I might, in the near future, have to run Internet Exploder, because one of the help desk apps (Remedy's "Magic") works only with IE. To fix that, I'll simply run CrossOver Office, albeit grudgingly, if this does indeed come to pass (I hope not!). I will do everything and anything that I can to prevent going back to Windows, and having that attitude helps a lot in some cases, depending on what you need to do. Worst case scenario: I can always log into a Windows box via rdesktop, and I have done so at 1024x768 resolution with 16-bit (65,536) colors at a friend's office who I help out on weekends. At work, the distribution that I'm currently using most often is SuSE Linux 9.1 Professional, although my laptop runs Slackware GNU/Linux 9.1, and my desktop was previously running K12LTSP 3.1.2 in "traditional workstation" mode. I also did it with Red Hat Linux 7.3, which is to this day one of my favorite distributions; the HP OpenView NNM monitoring workstation in our NOC runs RHL 7.3. At home, I run Slackware GNU/Linux 10.0, K12LTSP 3.1.2, Yellow Dog Linux 3.0.1 (soon to be 4.0--the CD's just came in! Yaayyy!) and Linspire 4.5 Espanol on my desktops, all with the same apps that I run at work. One exception: since all of my "production" home servers are GNU/Linux, I substitute smbmount for NFS mounts. If you've got one or more tasks in mind that haven't been covered above, let me know, and I'll be glad to give you whatever input that I can. --TP KJ wrote: > Hey Terrell, > Not touching a Win32 app, that is fantastic!!! > Do you have any pearls of wisdom for those of us who endeavor to get > to that spot in life? > > Thank you! > KJ > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Permission is certainly granted. Go for it! >> >> BTW, I have, for the last year, been able to go completely to >> GNU/Linux on my desktop, without ever touching a single Win32 app on >> said desktop. This is in a total and complete dyed-in-the-wool >> Microsoft shop. It is possible, and it's no longer hard. >> >> --TP >> >> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >>> Terrell, >>> This is one of the best set of analogies and yet the simplest single >>> argument I have seen yet to exercise the point of OSS. If you don't >>> mind I would like your permission to print this and keep to present to >>> the narrow-minded individuals I run into in the future. I have >>> been quietly attempting to gather data to help prove this >>> point in the schools I support. Everyone always tells me they need >>> certain software to teach. Instead this year I am asking all of the >>> teachers to put together an outline of the goals they hope to achieve >>> when teaching students technology. I have instructed them to not give >>> me stuff like to learn Word, or Accelerated Reader. But to give me >>> stuff like to learn to type, to learn to use a word processor, and to >>> also break down the range of skills they hope to teach in those >>> categories such as how to bold, underline, create tables, etc. Once >>> they give me that list not knowing the real reason why, I will find >>> software that helps them teach all of their stated goals and use their >>> own documentation to prove my point. At least that is my plan :-) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>>> You're right to duck like that. The reason is that we are >>>> educators of *concepts* in K12 schools. Having come from corporate >>>> myself, I don't see any justification for turning fourth-graders >>>> into "Good Little Employees" ready to be trained monkeys on >>>> specific applications. Children don't learn how to write on just >>>> Avery-brand paper. They learn how to write. Period. Same with >>>> math--we don't teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, and >>>> divide only on HP calculators. Rather, we teach them how to add, >>>> subtract, multiply, and divide, period. Same with cars. The auto >>>> shop in every high school I've ever seen that has one teaches the >>>> kids how to work on cars, not just Fords, not just Chevys, not just >>>> Toyotas, etc. They teach *automobiles*. >>>> >>>> What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word processing. >>>> Same with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation >>>> software. I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft >>>> products; they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and >>>> can't--hire them. Several educators have found that, when children >>>> are exposed to multiple implementations of the same concept, they >>>> get that concept a whole lot better. I have found that to be true >>>> of myself even to this day. >>>> >>>> Schools do not have the same goals as corporations. Corporations >>>> care strictly and only about the bottom line for shareholders. The >>>> mission of schools, by contrast, is to get a young mind to develop >>>> and open up to new ideas. K12 schools are not Voc-Tech institutes >>>> like ITT. They're centers of general mental development, teaching >>>> children of all ages how to learn. Am I opposed to children >>>> learning about Microsoft Windows and Office? Not really. Am I >>>> opposed to children learning about *ONLY* Microsoft Windows and >>>> Office? Yes! >>>> >>>> If you think I'm wrong here, then, one corporate person to another, >>>> I'd like to know your thoughts. >>>> >>>> --TP >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 19 18:12:50 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:12:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <20041119120339.4dc4205c@heaven> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <20041119120339.4dc4205c@heaven> Message-ID: <1100887970.32514.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 12:03, Bill Bardon wrote: > The biggest hurdle for anyone making the switch is to get past the > attitude, "You mean I can't have my !?", And, of course, with free software no one will buy your lunch while they try to sell you something... --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bill at computassist.com Fri Nov 19 18:21:51 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:21:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <1100887970.32514.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <20041119120339.4dc4205c@heaven> <1100887970.32514.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20041119122151.3b09d618@heaven> On Friday, Nov 19 Les Mikesell wrote: > And, of course, with free software no one will buy your lunch > while they try to sell you something... True! :-) Ah well, I'm too busy for lunch anyway... -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Fri Nov 19 18:22:20 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:22:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E37A8.3070004@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> <419E37A8.3070004@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <419E39DC.8080104@myrealbox.com> Thank you Terrell! I appreciate your input. I think I may just buy another hard drive for my laptop and toss on a version of Linux buy Crossover Office (for ie, which my corporate software requires, ick!) and see if anyone notices. Thanks for everyones thoughts, help and input today. It has been fantastic! Now, my LTSP is almost ready for prime time. I think maybe I'll get it installed over the Thanksgiving break! KJ Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Gladly. The jobs that I have to accomplish are as follows: > > 1.) MS Exchange email. Served by Ximian Evolution + Exchange > Connector, yes, even before the ExchConn went GPL. > > 2.) Web browsing. I use two Web sites--Konqueror for Internet sites > and Firefox+Java for internal sites. That means that I don't have to > keep reconfiguring my Web browser to turn off JavaScript, cookies, > etc. when I need to surf outside. My default browser, as far as > Evolution is concerned, is Epiphany, with all that stuff turned off > just like I did with Konqueror. > > 3.) Office automation. Obviously, OpenOffice.org. :-) I also will > use Gnumeric and AbiWord at times. When it comes to MS Office > interoperability, nothing beats OO.o, but these latter two are pretty > decent (especially Gnumeric, which is very good) with MS formats. I > have tried StarOffice 7, and I've found that, on the documents--quite > a few of them very complex--that I've tried, OO.o and SO have shown me > identical MS Office file compatibility, so, for me, there is no > technical advantage to going with SO. > > 4.) Router/firewall management (my actual stated job function): SSH > and telnet. We're working on getting rid of telnet completely; we're > almost there. > > 5.) Accessing Windows shares: smbmount. Ends up looking and feeling > a lot like My Network Places on Win32. > > There is the possibility that I might, in the near future, have to run > Internet Exploder, because one of the help desk apps (Remedy's > "Magic") works only with IE. To fix that, I'll simply run CrossOver > Office, albeit grudgingly, if this does indeed come to pass (I hope > not!). I will do everything and anything that I can to prevent going > back to Windows, and having that attitude helps a lot in some cases, > depending on what you need to do. Worst case scenario: I can always > log into a Windows box via rdesktop, and I have done so at 1024x768 > resolution with 16-bit (65,536) colors at a friend's office who I help > out on weekends. > > At work, the distribution that I'm currently using most often is SuSE > Linux 9.1 Professional, although my laptop runs Slackware GNU/Linux > 9.1, and my desktop was previously running K12LTSP 3.1.2 in > "traditional workstation" mode. I also did it with Red Hat Linux 7.3, > which is to this day one of my favorite distributions; the HP OpenView > NNM monitoring workstation in our NOC runs RHL 7.3. At home, I run > Slackware GNU/Linux 10.0, K12LTSP 3.1.2, Yellow Dog Linux 3.0.1 (soon > to be 4.0--the CD's just came in! Yaayyy!) and Linspire 4.5 Espanol > on my desktops, all with the same apps that I run at work. One > exception: since all of my "production" home servers are GNU/Linux, I > substitute smbmount for NFS mounts. > > If you've got one or more tasks in mind that haven't been covered > above, let me know, and I'll be glad to give you whatever input that I > can. > > --TP > > KJ wrote: > >> Hey Terrell, >> Not touching a Win32 app, that is fantastic!!! >> Do you have any pearls of wisdom for those of us who endeavor to get >> to that spot in life? > From diego at in3.com.ar Fri Nov 19 18:06:49 2004 From: diego at in3.com.ar (Diego Torres Milano) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:06:49 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* Message-ID: <1100887609.5890.32.camel@zebra> > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Doing $x ..." > mkdir /home/${x}/win-backup > chown ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup > > echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ > /home/${x}/win-backup" > cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup > > echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup" > cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup > > echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ > /home/${x}/win-backup" > cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup > > chown -R ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup > > done One minor improvement, if you are using bash, enable extglob if not already enabled $ shopt -s extglob and you can combine the 3 cp command into 1 [...] cp -a /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/*(My\ Documents|Desktop|Favorites) /home/${x}/win-backup -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From scott at hosef.org Fri Nov 19 18:39:42 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:39:42 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E37A8.3070004@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> <419E37A8.3070004@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <419E3DEE.2030000@hosef.org> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > There is the possibility that I might, in the near future, have to run > Internet Exploder, because one of the help desk apps (Remedy's "Magic") > works only with IE. To fix that, I'll simply run CrossOver Office, > albeit grudgingly, if this does indeed come to pass (I hope not!). I Have you thought about contacting the manufacturer and asking if they have plans to support Mozilla? We had this situation when a school we donated a lab to went out and bought Benchmark Tracker. It only supported IE, and this was a problem for our brand new lab. One of our members and a teacher called Benchmark Tracker and let them know that they were considering buying BT for their district but that they needed Mozilla support. It was done. Never underestimate how effective the idea of more market share can be at getting a company to change policies. > > If you've got one or more tasks in mind that haven't been covered above, > let me know, and I'll be glad to give you whatever input that I can. What do the rest of you do at tax time? While I have stayed windows-free for an undergraduate and two graduate degrees, I still keep windows on a dual-boot box for taxes. I don't think that an OSS alternative to quickbooks or kiplinger has evolved and, with all the annual changes to the tax code, I have to wonder if one ever will. > > --TP --scott From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 19 19:01:18 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:01:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] should I be worried about this? In-Reply-To: <000301c4ce5d$48adb300$0401000a@winworkstation> References: <000301c4ce5d$48adb300$0401000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <419E42FE.8040909@maltzen.net> In spite what some others have said, I wouldn't panic just yet about the message. I had a similar situation a few months ago, getting a similar message when connecting to one of my boxes. I checked with a few buddies who know a lot more about this kind of stuff than I do. Here's one of the replies I got: --snip-- Did you have occasion to reboot the server? I have noticed the generation of new SSH keys during reboot. I have also noticed that some distros are configured to automatically replace the SSHD key periodically. ssh_host_rsa_key is a PEM containing the private key ssh_host_rsa_key.pub contains one line of the form: ssh-rsa PublicKeyValueInBase64 To show the fingerprint use: ssh-keygen -l -f ssh_host_rsa_key.pub --snip-- In my case, the problem was related to going to a different machine behind a firewall but at the same IP address as another box for which I already had a key. Not to say that you don't have a problem. As others have said, you should check into it, but considering you just rebooted the box, I wouldn't be surprised if you find nothing unusual. Petre Carl Keil wrote: > I get this when I try to ssh into my k12ltsp server. > It just started happening after I rebooted last night. > > [root at girlwhocouldfly root]# ssh 69.30.69.155 > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! > Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! > It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. > The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is > 77:09:0d:18:02:84:dd:ed:53:c6:93:df:5a:c9:0c:ca. > Please contact your system administrator. > Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. > Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:2 > RSA host key for 69.30.69.155 has changed and you have requested strict > checking. > Host key verification failed. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 19 19:02:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:02:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* In-Reply-To: <1100884666.15837.13.camel@jupiter> References: <1100884666.15837.13.camel@jupiter> Message-ID: <1100890974.32514.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:17, Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: > > PS...where's the best place to get some tutorials or references so I can > > get better at scripting like this? > > Take a look at http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ Note that those are 'advanced' scripting concepts. Normally I use shell scripts to automate things I'd otherwise type repetitively and the main thing that needs to be done programming-wise is some text substitutions on the commands which the shell does nicely or some i/o redirection to files or pipes. If it gets much more complicated than that, you might as well use perl in the first place. You really should spend some time with the bash man page or look for a tutorial so you understand the way the shell parses commands even if you don't do anything complicated. There are a lot of handy capabilities that can save time every day. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From accessys at smart.net Fri Nov 19 19:21:23 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:21:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E3DEE.2030000@hosef.org> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> <419E37A8.3070004@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3DEE.2030000@hosef.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, R. Scott Belford wrote: > What do the rest of you do at tax time? While I have stayed > windows-free for an undergraduate and two graduate degrees, I still keep > windows on a dual-boot box for taxes. I don't think that an OSS > alternative to quickbooks or kiplinger has evolved and, with all the > annual changes to the tax code, I have to wonder if one ever will. I keep the books and all the records in GnuCash and just plug em in manually at tax time. got the numbers just not the forms, those I can download from the IRS any time I need em. Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Nov 19 19:34:59 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:34:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A30@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:13 PM >> >> Gladly. The jobs that I have to accomplish are as follows: >> 1.) MS Exchange email. >> 2.) Web browsing. >> 3.) Office automation. >> 4.) Router/firewall management >> 5.) Accessing Windows shares: smbmount The one thing I go back to Windows (dual boot) on a regular basis for is Photoshop. I'm using a relatively old version 5.5 and I still don't find GIMP as capable. Don't get me wrong, GIMP is great and it has come a long way. I use it when I can. But when I'm doing serious work with lots of layers (particularly text layers), it just isn't as good. I don't find the UI as easy, either, although I'm sure at least some of that is just a training/practice issue. The scanner I use isn't supported by SANE but the next one I own will be. I have an old-ish version of AutoCAD (14) that I would have a hard time leaving, also. It's been a while since I looked for open source CAD but a few years ago, anyway, there wasn't much to brag about. There are commercial packages that run on Linux/Unix. So, if I ever decide to pay for an upgrade, I'll look long and hard at Linux capable alternatives. But as far as I know, there's nothing close to AutoCAD in the OS world. Also, my daughter has Windows-based games and she boots back to Windows for them. For all I know they will run under WINE but I've not tried. But I DO NOT use Microsoft Office or IE. Even on the Windows boot, I use OpenOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird. My wife complained for a while and still, when she helps someone out with an MS Access project, the lack of that has caused some friction. But for the most part, for web-browsing, mail-reading, and paper-writing, there is absolutely no need to run Windows. Oh, and for my taxes, I go to http://www.taxactonline.com/ and do it in Firefox. Not free but not very expensive, either. -- Henry From accessys at smart.net Fri Nov 19 19:49:41 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:49:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A30@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A30@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Henry Hartley wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." > >> > >> Gladly. The jobs that I have to accomplish are as follows: > > The one thing I go back to Windows (dual boot) on a regular basis for is > Photoshop. I'm using a relatively old version 5.5 and I still don't find > GIMP as capable. Don't get me wrong, GIMP is great and it has come a long > way. I use it when I can. But when I'm doing serious work with lots of > layers (particularly text layers), it just isn't as good. I don't find the I use VueScan, and when needed VuePhoto (http://www.hamerick.com) it isn't open source but it is very inexpensive and handles Linux very well. It is powerful and works similarly to Photoshop > UI as easy, either, although I'm sure at least some of that is just a > training/practice issue. The scanner I use isn't supported by SANE but the > next one I own will be. if SANE doesn't cover it I bet VueScan does Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Nov 19 20:01:25 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:01:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A33@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Access Systems >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 2:50 PM >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Henry Hartley wrote: >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." >> > >> >> > >> Gladly. The jobs that I have to accomplish are as follows: >> > >> > The one thing I go back to Windows (dual boot) on a regular basis for is >> > Photoshop. I'm using a relatively old version 5.5 and I still don't find >> > GIMP as capable. Don't get me wrong, GIMP is great and it has come a long >> > way. I use it when I can. But when I'm doing serious work with lots of >> > layers (particularly text layers), it just isn't as good. I don't find the >> >> I use VueScan, and when needed VuePhoto (http://www.hamerick.com) Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it. Note for anyone else trying to follow that link, however, there's an extra "e" in it that makes it wrong. The proper URL is: http://www.hamrick.com/ -- Henry From accessys at smart.net Fri Nov 19 20:06:18 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:06:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A30@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Access Systems wrote: oops > I use VueScan, and when needed VuePhoto that is VuePrint misspelled the URL this is correct (http://www.hamrick.com) > > Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From nbs at sonic.net Fri Nov 19 20:08:08 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:08:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20041119200808.GA23895@sonic.net> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:45:38PM -0500, KJ wrote: > Hey Terrell, > Not touching a Win32 app, that is fantastic!!! > > Do you have any pearls of wisdom for those of us who endeavor to get to > that spot in life? In my personal and work life, up until a year ago, I hadn't touched Windows since 1998. My job at the time was converting WordPerfect docs to FrontPage at the local sheriff's dept, and obviously we used Win95 for that. I didn't have a 'modern' PC of my own at the time, so I used the SunOS systems and Macs at my college, and my roommate's horrid Win95 box at home. When I graduated, and finally bought my own PC (a Pentium 133, which was not exactly top-of-the-line, even back in '98) and installed Linux on it immediately, and went from there. I had a number of 'telecommute' web development jobs, and not only was I able to do my work via my Linux system at home, but I was accessing Linux and Unix servers where the content lived. Then between 2000 and 2002, I worked at (MCI)/WorldCOM in Sacramento, and there was a lot of Linux on the desktop there, for some reason, so I kept using Linux at work, which was great. Sadly, though I love my job and it's in the field I've been wanting to get into (cellphone game development), due to the development and testing tools all being for Windows (at the moment), I'm stuck using WinXP at work. Honestly, it hasn't come very far since Win95. Fortunately, I've lost very little work, but it still does bluescreen, or worse yet, 'black screen' (e.g., completely reboot without even blinking) on occasion. >:^( In the meantime, my Linux boxes at home, and my one colocated webserver have uptimes in the 100s of days. :^) To add to my own story, my dad is now using Linux at home for email, web browsing, and letter writing. (He had a Mac OS 8 system before that was getting quite rickety.) And my wife uses only Linux on her desktop and laptop. Anyway, just a little anecdote about how we can live, for the most part, without Windows... even the non-uber-geeks. ;^) -bill! (who's waiting for the Linux cellphones to continue taking off so he can start doing _Linux_ cellphone game development >;^) ) From nbs at sonic.net Fri Nov 19 20:09:26 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:09:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20041119200926.GB23895@sonic.net> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:58:53PM -0500, Access Systems wrote: > go cold turkey and figure it out. desperation breeds many great solutions. > the first few weeks/months can be "Trying" but it can work. Now I would > not really want anything that is on a windoze machine because I have it > all on my current Linux machine(s) Lists like this, and Linux User Groups, are great places to find out what good alternative programs are out there. Sure, you can go browse Freshmeat and SourceForge, but there are 10s of 1000s of programs there, and it's often overwhelming. If you can just say: "I want to do X", and someone throws back "Try using Y", it can be a lot quicker. ;) -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Fri Nov 19 20:15:36 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:15:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E3DEE.2030000@hosef.org> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> <419E37A8.3070004@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3DEE.2030000@hosef.org> Message-ID: <20041119201536.GC23895@sonic.net> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 08:39:42AM -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > What do the rest of you do at tax time? While I have stayed > windows-free for an undergraduate and two graduate degrees, I still keep > windows on a dual-boot box for taxes. I don't think that an OSS > alternative to quickbooks or kiplinger has evolved and, with all the > annual changes to the tax code, I have to wonder if one ever will. I often do my taxes by hand, but once or twice I did them online. Worked fine for me, I think even using Konqueror, at the time! -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Fri Nov 19 20:18:11 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:18:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A30@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A30@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20041119201811.GD23895@sonic.net> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 02:34:59PM -0500, Henry Hartley wrote: > The one thing I go back to Windows (dual boot) on a regular basis for is > Photoshop. This /miiiight/ be changing at some time. :^) http://www.lugod.org/jobs/ (The top listing there is for a "Linux Desktop Architect" at Adobe ;^) ) -bill! From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Fri Nov 19 20:29:19 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:29:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <20041119201811.GD23895@sonic.net> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A30@remail2.westat.com> <20041119201811.GD23895@sonic.net> Message-ID: <419E579F.6060904@myrealbox.com> I sure hope so!!! Bill Kendrick wrote: >This /miiiight/ be changing at some time. :^) > > http://www.lugod.org/jobs/ > >(The top listing there is for a "Linux Desktop Architect" at Adobe ;^) ) > From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri Nov 19 20:38:38 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:38:38 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* Message-ID: "David Trask" wrote: >> PS...where's the best place to get some tutorials or references so I can get better at scripting like this? << Not saying it's the best, but I've written three introductory articles on bash and shell scripting which might help you get started: http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/355166f5bfa721afca256da0000a30f4?OpenDocument http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/1f65e7d557e9ee5580256dd80035d488?OpenDocument http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/1ec473b3c7eb276cca256e1900258747?OpenDocument The complete list of articles is at http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/Linux?OpenView Sorry about those long URL's, but that's Domino for you. You might have to re-assemble them if they've wrapped. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Nov 19 20:45:53 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:45:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A34@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Kendrick >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:18 PM >> >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 02:34:59PM -0500, Henry Hartley wrote: >> > The one thing I go back to Windows (dual boot) on a regular >> > basis for is Photoshop. >> >> This /miiiight/ be changing at some time. :^) >> http://www.lugod.org/jobs/ >> (The top listing there is for a "Linux Desktop Architect" at >> Adobe ;^) ) While I admit that would be sweet, it somehow seems unlikely that the "maintainer and/or architect for one or more Adobe-sponsored Open Source projects" would have much to do with Photoshop. Still, I'd upgrade today from Photoshop 5.5 to the full Creative Suite if it were available on Linux. Heck, I'd shell out for a whole new copy. Maybe if enough people ask for it, they'll respond: http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html -- Henry From adammelancon at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 20:52:30 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:52:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4892876104111912526c07393c@mail.gmail.com> I used the "bash" book from oreilly http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/bash2/ along with some sites online On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:38:38 +1100, Les Bell wrote: > > "David Trask" wrote: > > >> > PS...where's the best place to get some tutorials or references so I can > get better at scripting like this? > << > > Not saying it's the best, but I've written three introductory articles on > bash and shell scripting which might help you get started: > > http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/355166f5bfa721afca256da0000a30f4?OpenDocument > > http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/1f65e7d557e9ee5580256dd80035d488?OpenDocument > > http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/1ec473b3c7eb276cca256e1900258747?OpenDocument > > The complete list of articles is at > http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/Linux?OpenView > > Sorry about those long URL's, but that's Domino for you. You might have to > re-assemble them if they've wrapped. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 20:55:51 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:55:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69b790a804111912552a0240b9@mail.gmail.com> > PS...where's the best place to get some tutorials or references so I can > get better at scripting like this? > Or, there's always the mailing lists: http://moongroup.com/mailman/listinfo/shell.scripting Roger From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Nov 19 21:39:36 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:39:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X Message-ID: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> Bill Kendrick just made a good point on a different thread regarding open source alternatives. I am in a spot at school that staff members are asking for the "evidence" of the claims about great free software to do their tasks. Since places like Sourceforge are overwhelming, I'll start this thread to ask about some needs I need to fill soon. I think it's fair to offer web-based alternatives, as long as the lack of sound in flash is taken into account. So, what do you suggest for: 1) Print Shop alternative. (This one is for my wife, not for at the school -- she's comfortable finding graphics online now, and doesn't need the included clipart like she did years ago, but does something like Scribus meet the needs of making little flyers, etc?) 2) "Math-Type" -- I guess this is a program that creates tests for math teachers. Are there any test-creation programs available that work well? I'm talking printed-out tests, not online or computer based tests. (To me, just using OpenOffice seemed to fit the bill, but apparently the teachers are used to some specialty program designed for such a thing) 3) Inspiration. I have never used this, but apparently it is some sort of "thought process flowchart" thing. This particular package is heralded in our HS Lab (currently a mac lab) and ironically, they don't have enough licenses for the number of students they have this year (classsize increase due to budget cuts) 4) Interfacing with TI calculators. Is this possible? Apparently they have been able to copy/paste TI calculator images that were piped into their macs. Is there a TI emulator that could be screen captured? 5) Streaming Media. Real media, quicktime, wmv, mpg, whatever the format -- is this possible at all? (Especially via a browser) How does sound work? Does it? 6) Science specific things? (Biology, earth sciences, physics stuff, chemistry stuff, astronomy, etc) 7) Graphic editing (MS Level) -- something that our MS art class can use that is more complex than MS Paint, but not quite The Gimp? 8) Math software, specifically that are commonly used with classes instead of neat idea that doesn't lend itself to common use... (This need is at all levels in our district, from K-12) 9) CAD software, legitimate CAD software. THis isn't an issue right now, but are there any classes out there being taught with OS cadware? 10) Nutrition software (odd I know, but it's one of the pieces of software my opposition is heralding as a reason OS won't work) 11) Edutainment for elementary age. Bill Kendrick has provided 2 lion's shares of software in this regard, but I'm curious about others too. (Thanks Bill!) I guess that's it for now. If there are software packages commonly used in your district that don't match anything above, please pipe in! -Shawn From nbs at sonic.net Fri Nov 19 21:49:31 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:49:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X In-Reply-To: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20041119214931.GA31306@sonic.net> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 04:39:36PM -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > 1) Print Shop alternative. I was starting to work on something, but didn't get too far. OpenOffice.org or StarOffice might be useful here. Lots of clipart is available from third parties (those "10,000 pieces of clipart" collections that come on a dozen CDs, for example), and these days should work fine under Linux. > 4) Interfacing with TI calculators. Is this possible? Apparently they > have been able to copy/paste TI calculator images that were piped into > their macs. Is there a TI emulator that could be screen captured? I would be surprised if there /wasn't/ :^) > 5) Streaming Media. Real media, quicktime, wmv, mpg, whatever the > format -- is this possible at all? (Especially via a browser) How does > sound work? Does it? Well, RealPlayer is available for Linux (x86, at least). Mplayer has done an excellent job at playing various MPEG, AVI, WMV, MOV and RM files I've thrown at it. You can even use tools to grab a stream and turn it into a file, though whether you can do it /legally/ depends on the copyright of the content, and whether Fair Use applies. (I saw someone throw out a set of 3- or 4-commands, all stuck on one simple command line, to pull down an audio stream, save it, and then convert it from PCM to WAV, then from WAV to MP3. :^) ) > 7) Graphic editing (MS Level) -- something that our MS art class can use > that is more complex than MS Paint, but not quite The Gimp? Inkscape might be worth looking into for vector art. The Gimp's not all that complicated, but for simpler stuff there's the likes of XPaint, GPaint, etc. > 11) Edutainment for elementary age. Bill Kendrick has provided 2 lion's > shares of software in this regard, but I'm curious about others too. > (Thanks Bill!) You're welcome! ;^) > I guess that's it for now. If there are software packages commonly used > in your district that don't match anything above, please pipe in! LinuxForKids.org, if it ever comes back, is a good start. The Seul/Edu Educational Application Index is even better :^) http://richtech.ca/seul/ Enjoy! -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com New Breed Software http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ Tux Paint 0.9.14 is out! From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Nov 19 21:53:01 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:53:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A35@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shawn Powers >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:40 PM >> >> 7) Graphic editing (MS Level) -- something that our MS art >> class can use that is more complex than MS Paint, but not >> quite The Gimp? First, don't write off The GIMP too quickly. It's pretty cool and it doesn't take long to be able to do some great things. For vector drawing, take a look at Inkscape (http://www.inkscape.org/). -- Henry From nbs at sonic.net Fri Nov 19 22:56:28 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:56:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] should I be worried about this? In-Reply-To: <419E2DB5.2010303@cfl.rr.com> References: <000301c4ce5d$48adb300$0401000a@winworkstation> <419E2DB5.2010303@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20041119225628.GB5735@sonic.net> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:30:29PM -0500, Brian Chase wrote: > If the server was rebuilt and new SSH keys generated, this message is > normal. You can fix this by going to your $HOME/.ssh directory and > deleting known_hosts file. What I typically do is delete that one _line_ from my known_hosts files, so that when I SSH to any unaffected servers, I don't have to enter "yes" again to accept their key. -bill! From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Nov 19 23:33:17 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:33:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <419E82BD.20101@execulink.com> Terrell, Mind if I use your email as well? :) Do you have any testimonial or something like that regarding your teaching without using Microsoft? Like the fact that you can still do the curriculum using Linux/Open Source? Thanks, Jason Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Permission is certainly granted. Go for it! > > BTW, I have, for the last year, been able to go completely to GNU/Linux > on my desktop, without ever touching a single Win32 app on said > desktop. This is in a total and complete dyed-in-the-wool Microsoft > shop. It is possible, and it's no longer hard. > > --TP > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> Terrell, >> This is one of the best set of analogies and yet the simplest single >> argument I have seen yet to exercise the point of OSS. If you don't >> mind I would like your permission to print this and keep to present to >> the narrow-minded individuals I run into in the future. From robowens at myway.com Sat Nov 20 01:32:48 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:32:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off Message-ID: <20041120013248.BE68A3946@mprdmxin.myway.com> Photoshop and Autocad 14 are both listed on this website which gives pretty specific instructions for getting programs to work under wine. http://www.frankscorner.org/ Check it out and let me know if you have any luck. I'm trying Autocad 14 right now, but I haven't gotten it to work right yet. I'm getting errors saying that my dll's are incompatible with each other (and they are native dll's that I took off of an old copy of win98). -Rob --- On Fri 11/19, Henry Hartley < henryhartley at westat.com > wrote: From: Henry Hartley [mailto: henryhartley at westat.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:34:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Linux cut off >> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr."
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:13 PM
>>
>> Gladly. The jobs that I have to accomplish are as follows:
>> 1.) MS Exchange email.
>> 2.) Web browsing.
>> 3.) Office automation.
>> 4.) Router/firewall management
>> 5.) Accessing Windows shares: smbmount

The one thing I go back to Windows (dual boot) on a regular basis for is
Photoshop. I'm using a relatively old version 5.5 and I still don't find
GIMP as capable. Don't get me wrong, GIMP is great and it has come a long
way. I use it when I can. But when I'm doing serious work with lots of
layers (particularly text layers), it just isn't as good. I don't find the
UI as easy, either, although I'm sure at least some of that is just a
training/practice issue. The scanner I use isn't supported by SANE but the
next one I own will be.

I have an old-ish version of AutoCAD (14) that I would have a! hard time
leaving, also. It's been a while since I looked for open source CAD but a
few years ago, anyway, there wasn't much to brag about. There are
commercial packages that run on Linux/Unix. So, if I ever decide to pay for
an upgrade, I'll look long and hard at Linux capable alternatives. But as
far as I know, there's nothing close to AutoCAD in the OS world.

Also, my daughter has Windows-based games and she boots back to Windows for
them. For all I know they will run under WINE but I've not tried.

But I DO NOT use Microsoft Office or IE. Even on the Windows boot, I use
OpenOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird. My wife complained for a while and
still, when she helps someone out with an MS Access project, the lack of
that has caused some friction. But for the most part, for web-browsing,
mail-reading, and paper-writing, there is absolutely no need to run Windows.

Oh, and for my taxes, I go to http://www.taxactonline.! com/ and do it in
Firefox. Not free but not very expensiv! e, eithe r.

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Henry

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 20 01:49:40 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:49:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E82BD.20101@execulink.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E82BD.20101@execulink.com> Message-ID: <419EA2B4.5090105@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Jason, I don't mind a bit, and that hereby applies to anyone else who wants to as well...even Microsoft, if they so choose. I would gladly give you a testimonial about my teaching without using Microsoft, except for one problem. I'm actually not a classroom teacher. Rather, I'm one of those "tech" people that...well, so many teachers and administrators seem to hold in contempt. I'll be glad when they wake up and realize that we're on their side. The best "testimonial" that I can give you is this: The tech person (also a teacher) in the school that has K12LTSP has not had to reboot his server even once. The kids like it and brag about how "we use Linux, we're da bomb!" Yes, some kids have actually taken K12LTSP CDs home, and there are a few who I know actually used it. The teachers like it because they don't have to play sneakernet in the computer lab anymore; they can access the kids' data from their--sadly--Windows boxes. Ah well, can't have everything. :-) And the principal is ecstatic because, due to that K12LTSP server, that school saved about $30K...before factoring in the yearly maintenance savings. This is *one* server in *one* computer lab that gave--and continues to give--this principal's budget that savings. It would seem that whatever curricula those teachers at this school are using, K12LTSP does seem to be compatible with it. The teachers don't really know that the kids are using OpenOffice.org, nor do they seem to care, so long as they can keep opening the kids' files on their Windows boxes running MS Office. I'm guessing that the principal had a lot to do with the relative lack of whining at the beginning. Perhaps this isn't the kind of testimonial you were looking for, but it's the best I can do. --TP Jason wrote: > Terrell, > > Mind if I use your email as well? :) > > Do you have any testimonial or something like that regarding your > teaching without using Microsoft? Like the fact that you can still do > the curriculum using Linux/Open Source? > > Thanks, > > Jason > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Permission is certainly granted. Go for it! >> >> BTW, I have, for the last year, been able to go completely to >> GNU/Linux on my desktop, without ever touching a single Win32 app on >> said desktop. This is in a total and complete dyed-in-the-wool >> Microsoft shop. It is possible, and it's no longer hard. >> >> --TP >> >> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >>> Terrell, >>> This is one of the best set of analogies and yet the simplest single >>> argument I have seen yet to exercise the point of OSS. If you don't >>> mind I would like your permission to print this and keep to present to >>> the narrow-minded individuals I run into in the future. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From nbs at sonic.net Sat Nov 20 01:54:23 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:54:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419EA2B4.5090105@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E82BD.20101@execulink.com> <419EA2B4.5090105@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20041120015423.GC22077@sonic.net> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 08:49:40PM -0500, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > The teachers don't really know that the kids are using OpenOffice.org, > nor do they seem to care, so long as they can keep opening the kids' > files on their Windows boxes running MS Office. OOC, any reason the teachers aren't just using OpenOffice.org? I see potential for even more $$ savings $$ :) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com New Breed Software http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ Tux Paint 0.9.14 is out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 20 02:02:25 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:02:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X In-Reply-To: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <419EA5B1.6010409@cmosnetworks.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > Bill Kendrick just made a good point on a different thread regarding > open source alternatives. I am in a spot at school that staff members > are asking for the "evidence" of the claims about great free software > to do their tasks. Since places like Sourceforge are overwhelming, > I'll start this thread to ask about some needs I need to fill soon. > > I think it's fair to offer web-based alternatives, as long as the lack > of sound in flash is taken into account. > > So, what do you suggest for: > > > > 2) "Math-Type" -- I guess this is a program that creates tests for > math teachers. Are there any test-creation programs available that > work well? I'm talking printed-out tests, not online or computer > based tests. (To me, just using OpenOffice seemed to fit the bill, > but apparently the teachers are used to some specialty program > designed for such a thing) > Yes, there is. Have you ever considered using LaTeX for this purpose? A friend of mine at the University of Washington converted the entire Math Dept. there over to using LaTeX--remember, these are all ego-maniac Ph. D. professors here--and not only did they convert to using LaTeX, but they now swear by it and won't consider anything that isn't as good. They use it for everything--exams, worksheets, you name it--even books (some of them have written their own mathematics books). Before that, they'd used Microsoft Office for this purpose, and their attitude was, "I don't have time to learn any 'new technology'; I have to do my research and teach! I've got a *job* to do!" Here's how my friend did it. He, being a math instructor himself, made up some student worksheets for the calculus classes, and he showed them to a couple of math professors. The profs said, "Wow, that's pretty cool. How long did it take you?" My friend said, "Oh, about 5 minutes." Then he went and showed them how he did it. Sure enough, five minutes later, he'd made another worksheet with some good calculus problems (definite integrals and such). After picking up their jaws, the profs said, "Can you show us how?" He again did, and the rest is history. If it's good enough for ego-maniac university professors, I don't see why classroom math teachers wouldn't fall in love with it at first sight, and for the same reasons that the professors did. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 20 02:21:55 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:21:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <20041120015423.GC22077@sonic.net> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E82BD.20101@execulink.com> <419EA2B4.5090105@cmosnetworks.com> <20041120015423.GC22077@sonic.net> Message-ID: <419EAA43.2020700@cmosnetworks.com> Bill Kendrick wrote: >On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 08:49:40PM -0500, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > > >>The teachers don't really know that the kids are using OpenOffice.org, >>nor do they seem to care, so long as they can keep opening the kids' >>files on their Windows boxes running MS Office. >> >> > >OOC, any reason the teachers aren't just using OpenOffice.org? >I see potential for even more $$ savings $$ :) > >-bill! >bill at newbreedsoftware.com New Breed Software >http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ Tux Paint 0.9.14 is out! > > Good question. The answer is that all of this was done very much under the table. I took a major chance with my job in doing even what I've done so far. If this K12LTSP server's ever actually discovered by the top bosses, I might have reason to be concerned about my employment. I *don't* want the teachers really knowing what's going on; I *want* them to be quiet. The last thing I need is a teacher saying, "Oh, this OpenOffice thing is too hard for me, I think I'll make a big stink to the principal's director." The principal would have a problem, the tech person at the school would have a problem, and I would definitely have a problem. Maybe some day this might change, but I'm not holding my breath. I did something similar about three and a half years ago with a Red Hat Linux Web proxy server at a previous job. This beastie replaced two much larger MS Proxy Servers that fell over nearly every night. The "little" RHL Web proxy worked like a champ and saved boatloads of money, and I mean boatloads, for my company. After six months of trouble-free functionality (and *MAJOR* cost savings), it was discovered by the London home office, and I was fired for it (my bosses suddenly got amnesia, of course). I seem to have this knack for doing the right thing and getting fired for it. Apparently I have not yet learned my lesson, because I intend to continue. Maybe not in my district, but in others...somewhere. I don't know why I feel this strongly about this; I just know that I have to do it. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From scott at hosef.org Sat Nov 20 04:05:33 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:05:33 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X In-Reply-To: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <419EC28D.50407@hosef.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > So, what do you suggest for: > > 1) Print Shop alternative. (This one is for my wife, not for at the > school -- she's comfortable finding graphics online now, and doesn't > need the included clipart like she did years ago, but does something > like Scribus meet the needs of making little flyers, etc?) Scribus or Gimp for power, Open Office for the rest. > > 2) "Math-Type" -- I guess this is a program that creates tests for math > teachers. Are there any test-creation programs available that work > well? I'm talking printed-out tests, not online or computer based > tests. (To me, just using OpenOffice seemed to fit the bill, but > apparently the teachers are used to some specialty program designed for > such a thing) keduca-editor, keduca, flashkards > > 3) Inspiration. I have never used this, but apparently it is some sort > of "thought process flowchart" thing. This particular package is > heralded in our HS Lab (currently a mac lab) and ironically, they don't > have enough licenses for the number of students they have this year > (classsize increase due to budget cuts) http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > > 4) Interfacing with TI calculators. Is this possible? Apparently they > have been able to copy/paste TI calculator images that were piped into > their macs. Is there a TI emulator that could be screen captured? apt-cache search ti|grep calculator yields tidev-modules-source - Sources for drivers for Texas Instruments calculators link cables tilp - TI calculator <-> PC communication program for X libticalcs4 - provides functions to communicate with TI calculators libticalcs4-dev - provides functions to communicate with TI calculators [development files] libtifiles0 - Texas Instruments calculators file formats library libtifiles0-dev - Texas Instruments calculators file formats library [development files] > > 5) Streaming Media. Real media, quicktime, wmv, mpg, whatever the > format -- is this possible at all? (Especially via a browser) How does > sound work? Does it? All the above. Sound generally works very well. > > 6) Science specific things? (Biology, earth sciences, physics stuff, > chemistry stuff, astronomy, etc) kstars, celestia, kalzium, rasmol, viewmol, gperiodic, chemtool, paw, openuniverse > > 7) Graphic editing (MS Level) -- something that our MS art class can use > that is more complex than MS Paint, but not quite The Gimp? kpaint, kolourpaint > > 8) Math software, specifically that are commonly used with classes > instead of neat idea that doesn't lend itself to common use... (This > need is at all levels in our district, from K-12) kchart, kgeo, kpercentage, kbruch, kmplot, kig, kformula, kchart, tuxmath, and for designing circuits, Geda > > 9) CAD software, legitimate CAD software. THis isn't an issue right > now, but are there any classes out there being taught with OS cadware? Qcad, > > 10) Nutrition software (odd I know, but it's one of the pieces of > software my opposition is heralding as a reason OS won't work) > > 11) Edutainment for elementary age. Bill Kendrick has provided 2 lion's > shares of software in this regard, but I'm curious about others too. > (Thanks Bill!) Gcompris > > > I guess that's it for now. If there are software packages commonly used > in your district that don't match anything above, please pipe in! Web-based - Marco Polo, Benchmark Tracker. > > -Shawn --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From robark at telus.net Sat Nov 20 04:06:48 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:06:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419DF768.4000005@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41944731.9080002@execulink.com> <419C141F.4060206@execulink.com> <419DEB73.9040704@myrealbox.com> <419DF768.4000005@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <419EC2D8.60403@telus.net> Terrell this is a SOLID and CONCISE argument you have put forward. I was so impressed I walked into my VP's office and asked him to read it. He read it online and I explained the community support concept of the list to him. Well done Terrell!! Robert Arkiletian Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Hello KJ, > > You're right to duck like that. The reason is that we are educators > of *concepts* in K12 schools. Having come from corporate myself, I > don't see any justification for turning fourth-graders into "Good > Little Employees" ready to be trained monkeys on specific > applications. Children don't learn how to write on just Avery-brand > paper. They learn how to write. Period. Same with math--we don't > teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide only on HP > calculators. Rather, we teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, > and divide, period. Same with cars. The auto shop in every high > school I've ever seen that has one teaches the kids how to work on > cars, not just Fords, not just Chevys, not just Toyotas, etc. They > teach *automobiles*. > > What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word processing. > Same with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation > software. I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft > products; they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and > can't--hire them. Several educators have found that, when children > are exposed to multiple implementations of the same concept, they get > that concept a whole lot better. I have found that to be true of > myself even to this day. > > Schools do not have the same goals as corporations. Corporations care > strictly and only about the bottom line for shareholders. The mission > of schools, by contrast, is to get a young mind to develop and open up > to new ideas. K12 schools are not Voc-Tech institutes like ITT. > They're centers of general mental development, teaching children of > all ages how to learn. Am I opposed to children learning about > Microsoft Windows and Office? Not really. Am I opposed to children > learning about *ONLY* Microsoft Windows and Office? Yes! > > If you think I'm wrong here, then, one corporate person to another, > I'd like to know your thoughts. > > --TP From robark at telus.net Sat Nov 20 04:28:43 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:28:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool VncReflector Success!! Message-ID: <419EC7FB.3090809@telus.net> Finally, I got it to all work. If anyone needs pointers in addition to David's "How-to" I would be glad to help. I really think this is a killer app for teachers!!!! Robert Arkiletian From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Nov 20 04:56:22 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:56:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool VncReflector Success!! In-Reply-To: <419EC7FB.3090809@telus.net> References: <419EC7FB.3090809@telus.net> Message-ID: robark at telus.net on Friday, November 19, 2004 at 11:28 PM +0000 wrote: >Finally, I got it to all work. If anyone needs pointers in addition to >David's "How-to" I would be glad to help. >I really think this is a killer app for teachers!!!! Actually if you can...document what you did and I'll add it to the how-to with credit to you (of course) that way we can all benenfit. :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Sat Nov 20 04:51:26 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:51:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool VncReflector Success!! In-Reply-To: <419EC7FB.3090809@telus.net> References: <419EC7FB.3090809@telus.net> Message-ID: <419ECD4E.5060301@cfl.rr.com> Mind sharing that link for the how-to on the list please? Thanks, Brian Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Finally, I got it to all work. If anyone needs pointers in addition to > David's "How-to" I would be glad to help. > I really think this is a killer app for teachers!!!! > > > Robert Arkiletian > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at telus.net Sat Nov 20 05:03:59 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:03:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X In-Reply-To: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <419ED03F.1000502@telus.net> Shawn Powers wrote: > 1) Print Shop alternative. (This one is for my wife, not for at the > school -- she's comfortable finding graphics online now, and doesn't > need the included clipart like she did years ago, but does something > like Scribus meet the needs of making little flyers, etc?) > I would concur with others that Scribus, Inkscape and Gimp make a powerful combo. In fact there was a Slashdot article on these 3 apps combined being adopted by newspapers. It was in Sept. ........ here it is. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/03/1731203&tid=152&tid=106 Don't forget Blender and Povray for 3D modeling. Only problem is most old clients don't have accelerated OpenGL chips. All of mine are Nvidia Riva 128 or S3 Virge cards. BTW anyone try mesa drivers? Do they eat too much cpu cycles? I'd imagine software 3D rendering in a terminal server would be TOO slow if you had a whole class of 30. Even for a dual Xeon. Robert Arkiletian From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Nov 20 05:19:55 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:19:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool VncReflector Success!! In-Reply-To: <419ECD4E.5060301@cfl.rr.com> References: <419EC7FB.3090809@telus.net> <419ECD4E.5060301@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/vncreflector This is the link for the vncreflector how-to David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Nov 20 05:36:02 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:36:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* In-Reply-To: <1100887609.5890.32.camel@zebra> References: <1100887609.5890.32.camel@zebra> Message-ID: diego at in3.com.ar on Friday, November 19, 2004 at 1:06 PM +0000 wrote: >One minor improvement, if you are using bash, enable extglob if not >already enabled > >$ shopt -s extglob what does this do? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From andyr at wizzy.com Sat Nov 20 07:00:07 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:00:07 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] should I be worried about this? In-Reply-To: <20041119225628.GB5735@sonic.net> References: <000301c4ce5d$48adb300$0401000a@winworkstation> <419E2DB5.2010303@cfl.rr.com> <20041119225628.GB5735@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20041120070007.GA7180@wizzy.com> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:30:29PM -0500, Brian Chase wrote: > > If the server was rebuilt and new SSH keys generated, this message is > > normal. You can fix this by going to your $HOME/.ssh directory and > > deleting known_hosts file. > > What I typically do is delete that one _line_ from my known_hosts files, > so that when I SSH to any unaffected servers, I don't have to enter "yes" > again to accept their key. The warning message includes the line number. vi +345 ~/.ssh/known_hosts will get you straight to that line. Cheers, Andy! From robark at telus.net Sat Nov 20 07:32:27 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:32:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool VncReflector Success!! In-Reply-To: References: <419EC7FB.3090809@telus.net> Message-ID: <419EF30B.6030009@telus.net> David Trask wrote: >Actually if you can...document what you did and I'll add it to the how-to >with credit to you (of course) that way we can all benenfit. :-) > > Okay first my server runs 3.1.2 (rh9). Here it goes: I will add info to the "how-to" all my input will be inside ================= lines VNC Reflector How-To By David Trask Vassalboro Community School Vassalboro, Maine, USA dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us What this document is and is not. This document is basically a write up of exactly what I did in my own situation to enable vncreflector on my own K12LTSP network. As far as I know for the most part it is adaptable to nearly any situation. VNCreflector acts as a proxy for vnc and allows multiple users to connect to a single instance of vnc. The beauty of the setup outlined here is that we will have a ?full control mode? and a ?read only? mode. This enables the teacher to have full control for the demo and the students can only watch. Understand this...unlike many other remote demo programs such as Apple's Remote Desktop, Vision, and a host of others where the students are watching what you do on your own desktop...you will instead be launching another desktop or ?session? on top of your current ?session?. This is nice since you can have a ?demo only? account. In this document we will use a user called vncuser. This user is the ?demo? account. When I want to demo something to my kids....I log in as myself....launch the vncreflector (watchteacher) and then log in as vncuser in the ?new window?. I have changed the desktop background for vncuser to be an obnoxious red background tiled with the work ?DEMO? to let the kids know just what they are watching. This document also assumes that you are running vncserver with K12LTSP using the default settings.... localhost:1. Anyway...let's get started. =================================== One question that might come up is what password do you use when you add the user "vncuser". Answer is anything (for example "banana"). But remember only the TEACHER logs into the vncuser account. The students just view it. So the students don't need to know the password for vncuser. This is nice since you can store demo files and code etc to teach with in the vncuser account. Available at your finger tips when you do demos. =================================== Getting and installing vncreflector First, the home page for vncreflector is located here http://sourceforge.net/projects/vnc-reflector/ Link to the current version (as of the writing of this document) is here http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/vnc-reflector/vnc_reflector-1.2.4.tar.gz?download Download and untar the vncreflector file tar -xzvf vnc_reflector-1.2.4.tar.gz then ]# cd vnc_reflector then ]# make this will make the executable file called vncreflector that you need. In fact, that's all you need. Now let's make a place to put it and copy it over there. ]# mkdir /vnc-reflector then copy it over ]# cp vncreflector /vnc-reflector <> ================================= you don't need to be root to do these steps. Note: Don't worry there is no need to do a ./configure (which is very common) Also, I installed this into my own personal dir ================================= Now...we need to create some files in the /vnc-reflector directory to tell vncreflector what to do. The first one is the HOST_INFO_FILE which tells vncreflector where the server is. So with your favorite text editor create (In /vnc-reflector) the file HOST_INFO_FILE and put in it...the following.... *localhost:1* ==================================== Not sure if this matters but I always hit return at the end of a line even if it's the last line in a script or whatever ===================================== /**note ? If you have a non-default vncserver set up you would also add the server password her as well (localhost:1 password)*/ that's it! Now on to the next file we need.... PASSWD_FILE. This file will contain 2 passwords...the top one will be the full control password (for the teacher)....the second will be the read only password (for the students to view the demo). So with your favorite text editor create (In /vnc-reflector) the file PASSWD_FILE and put in it...the following.... *fullcontrolpassword * (make up your own) *readonlypassword* (again make up your own) ==================================== Don't actually copy *fullcontrolpassword and **readonlypassword*** which is what I did the first time I tried this. Fortunately David has the files online now so you can see his example Fore example assume the passwords are administrator everyone ==================================== that's all that's in this file! Now let's create a file to launch all this stuff...using your text editor (pico, emacs, vi...whatever) create a file called *startreflector* Now type the following into the file...(make sure this file is executable...you may need to change permissions) *cd /vnc-reflector* *./vncreflector -p PASSWD_FILE -i PID_FILE -l 5999 HOST_INFO_FILE * * * ========================================== I used the full path instead of cd /vnc-reflector ========================================== This sets the listening port to 5999 on display 99...good default setup. /*Note:* the PID_FILE argument is very useful as it will create a simple text file in the /vnc-reflector directory letting you know the process ID # thus allowing you to kill the reflector with ease should you need to. Let's say the pid is 4767....you can run kill -9 4767 to kill the vncreflector if needed./ ============================================ DON'T forget to delete the PID_FILE if you kill the process. This is important because if you kill the reflector process and start it again without deleting the file you won't know the new process id to kill it again. ============================================ Setting up the server We're assuming here that you already have vncserver installed as part of your K12LTSP installation. If not you need to install it. Use apt, yum, or the installation CD's. If you are not running K12LTSP...grab a copy of tightvnc from www.tightvnc.com and install it. Installation of the vncserver is beyond the scope of this how-to. /*Note for non-default set up (all others ingnore this): To set up the password for the vncserver to match the one in the HOST_INFO_FILE (non-default) run:*/ /*]# vncpasswd*/ /*Password:*/ /*Verify:*/ /*This password MUST be the same as the one you put in HOST_INFO_FILE*/ /*You may also need to edit /etc/sysconfig/vncservers to reflect your settings.*/ Vncserver is usually not running by default. The easiest way to get it running is to use the menu item ?System Settings? > ?Server Settings? > ?Services? then find vncserver and start it....if you wish...save the settings so it will start everytime you boot the server. =================================== Note: there are 2 services. One says "vnc" the other says "vncserver". I never could get vnc to run (it was greyed out) as it kept saying xinetd needed to be running. But I could see below it WAS running. However I did start vncserver and it said "successful" but it still reported it as not running. Don't worry if it says "successfully started" it is. Remember to save as David writes. ================================== Setting up the Client We need to set up a password file to run for the students viewer. We will create a file in /usr/local/share called passwd. This password needs to be set to the ?read only? password that you put into PASSWD_FILE. Run the following: *]# vncpasswd /usr/local/share/passwd* *Password:* *Verify:* =============================== Okay this should be "everyone" in our case =============================== Be sure to change the permissions on this file....I have mine set for 755. *chmod 755 /usr/local/share/passwd* Starting the vncreflector Once the vncserver is started you can now run the file we created called ?startreflector? *cd /vnc-reflector * ============================ or wherever you put the vncreflector binary and startreflector script ============================ then *./startreflector * Running the Teacher Mode To connect to the reflector as the teacher run: ]# vncviewer localhost:99 Password: (enter the full control password here) <> =========================================== The password here would be "administrator". Now once you view the login screen you can type vncuser and banana to login. Now this is where TeacherTool comes in. I did not create a launcher for the students as below. I just launch TeacherTool and select who I wish to allow viewing of the demo. Then I click run and click "run vnc" so all selected students now see the vnc session I am connected to. But they have no input. Thank you David!!! Now go ahead and do your demo while they watch. A programming teachers dream. When finished students can just close the window. You the teacher on the other hand DON'T log out. I just close the vnc session with the X at top right corner of the window. That way it remains active so I can simply type # vncviewer localhost:99 the next time I want to do a demo. If you log out you have to kill the reflector process and re start it as David states below in yellow. Well that's it for now. Oh ya I had to install the following rpm's (#rpm -ivh ___________________.rpm ) to be able to install the TeacherTool app tk itcl tix tkinter All of these are in the repositories of k12ltsp. However teachertool is not in the 3.1.2 repo so you have to get it from 4.0.1 or above ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/ But if you have 4.0.1 or above you can just go #yum install teachertool Robert Arkiletian <>============================================ Running the Student (view only mode) To have the students connect have them run (or better yet...simply create a menu item for them to click...more on that in a minute): ]# vncviewer -passwd /usr/local/share/passwd localhost:99 Now...let's be realistic...many of us don't want little kids on the command line...so let's create a file that we can execute as a menu item in IceWM or whatever. Using your favorite text editor...create a file in /usr/bin called watchteacher.sh This file should contain: vncviewer -passwd /usr/local/share/passwd localhost:99 Save it and let's make another file also in /usr/bin called watchteacherdemo This file should contain: #!/bin/sh . watchteacher.sh That's it! Make sure both of these files are executable (change permissions if necessary). Now you can use ?watchteacherdemo? to make a menu item for the kids to click on. One note of caution: Once you log on as vncuser in the demo window...do not log off....simply close the window. Logging off will force you to have to kill the vncreflector and start again....better to simply leave it logged in. Remember...the vncuser is not the same as a system user...so they will not show up in TeacherTool or any other similar program. I have found that killing the vncreflector (once you use the PID file and kill the reflector...be sure to delete the PID file so a new once can be written when you start it again) and stopping and starting the vncserver works best to reset everything. *Thanks to:* Donald Ellerich of Yorktown HS for his intial help with vncreflector Nicholas Wheeler for taking a stab at it ;-) Richard Melton for writing TeacherTool Eric Harrison for making K12LTSP the awesome thing that it is Jim McQuillan for making LTSP the awesome thing that it is...too Everyone on the K12LTSP list for all their help past, present, and future The Open Source community at large. From robark at telus.net Sat Nov 20 07:47:07 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:47:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool VncReflector Success!! In-Reply-To: <419EF30B.6030009@telus.net> References: <419EC7FB.3090809@telus.net> <419EF30B.6030009@telus.net> Message-ID: <419EF67B.40602@telus.net> I forgot if you are running icewm then you need to put xhost +______________ at the top of the /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM file where ___________ is the ip of your server. I use the server as the teacher workstation. If you don't know the ip of your server type su - and #ifconfig to see it. Also I launch teachertool as root so it doesn't ask me for the root password when I run the vncviewer for the clients. Robert Arkiletian From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 20 13:32:15 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:32:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419E3DEE.2030000@hosef.org> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E2CC9.7050405@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3142.9060208@myrealbox.com> <419E37A8.3070004@cmosnetworks.com> <419E3DEE.2030000@hosef.org> Message-ID: <419F475F.70807@cmosnetworks.com> R. Scott Belford wrote: > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> >> There is the possibility that I might, in the near future, have to >> run Internet Exploder, because one of the help desk apps (Remedy's >> "Magic") works only with IE. To fix that, I'll simply run CrossOver >> Office, albeit grudgingly, if this does indeed come to pass (I hope >> not!). I > > > Have you thought about contacting the manufacturer and asking if they > have plans to support Mozilla? We had this situation when a school we > donated a lab to went out and bought Benchmark Tracker. It only > supported IE, and this was a problem for our brand new lab. One of > our members and a teacher called Benchmark Tracker and let them know > that they were considering buying BT for their district but that they > needed Mozilla support. It was done. > > Never underestimate how effective the idea of more market share can be > at getting a company to change policies. > Oh, I agree, and I have indeed called them. After three times not getting a callback (can we say, "rude"?), I finally got a person. He very nicely told me to go jump in the Potomac River. Justification? "Well, everyone has Explorer, so we write to the biggest market share. We don't write to _Linux_." Apparently Remedy, Inc. associates Mozilla, Firefox, and even Netscape Navigator with "Linux" and refuses to support said browsers, regardless of the fact that they run on Win32 as well. Cisco, Check Point, NAI (now Network General), and Packeteer have the same attitude. The only way that's going to change is if *bosses*, i. e. those who actually write the checks and sign the contracts, demand full compatibility with Free Software. >> >> If you've got one or more tasks in mind that haven't been covered >> above, let me know, and I'll be glad to give you whatever input that >> I can. > > > What do the rest of you do at tax time? While I have stayed > windows-free for an undergraduate and two graduate degrees, I still > keep windows on a dual-boot box for taxes. I don't think that an OSS > alternative to quickbooks or kiplinger has evolved and, with all the > annual changes to the tax code, I have to wonder if one ever will. I do my taxes with the good ol' 1040 form and a black pen. I just never got into the tax programs, though I know that they're quite popular. --TP From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sat Nov 20 17:32:42 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:32:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X In-Reply-To: <419EC28D.50407@hosef.org> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> <419EC28D.50407@hosef.org> Message-ID: <419F7FBA.5080006@chinooksedge.ab.ca> >> 3) Inspiration. I have never used this, but apparently it is some >> sort of "thought process flowchart" thing. This particular package >> is heralded in our HS Lab (currently a mac lab) and ironically, they >> don't have enough licenses for the number of students they have this >> year (classsize increase due to budget cuts) > Try the CMAP Tools http://cmap.ihmc.us/ It is available for Linux, Windows, Solaris and Mac OS X We have used it in a limited way on our LTSP lab. The Director of Technology at the time - a former teacher - actually preferred it to Inspiration. Too many kids spend too much time on the fluff (pretty icons, & clipart) instead of actually properly diagramming their concept. He was very impressed with this stuff. You can share your cmaps with others too ... and see what they have done ... from all over the world ...neat feature. So not only is it good - it is also free. You need to "tweak" the config file a bit to get it to run multiple times in multiple sessions on a LTSP setup. Just a simple entry in their config file ... so very simple. With that it runs well! Joe Guenther From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Nov 20 20:58:01 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:58:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X In-Reply-To: <419F7FBA.5080006@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> <419EC28D.50407@hosef.org> <419F7FBA.5080006@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Just a simple entry in >their config file ... so very simple. can you share what the entry is? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sat Nov 20 23:24:40 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:24:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X In-Reply-To: References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> <419EC28D.50407@hosef.org> <419F7FBA.5080006@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <419FD238.70007@chinooksedge.ab.ca> I see that my current version at home is 3.6 .. . but this worked great for the install that I had at school on my LTSP server. I have NOT tried to upgrade that to a newer version to see if one can get by without the cheat. enjoy Joe Dear CmapTools User, > > We have a workaround on version 3.4 in order to allow several users to > run > CmapTools. Our next release (vr 3.5) will have the implementation. > > You have to modify a file called "CmapTools.lax" (located at > CmapTools/bin". In that file you have to modify the > lax.command.line.args > variable. > > Default value: > > lax.command.line.args=-checkForMultipleAppInstances > 4749,nlk.basic.MultipleAppInstanceHandlerImpl ../classes/nlk.jar > > New Value to allow multiple users: > > lax.command.line.args= ../classes/nlk.jar David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: > > >>Just a simple entry in >>their config file ... so very simple. >> >> > >can you share what the entry is? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Nov 21 00:41:16 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:41:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> Message-ID: <419FE42C.7090205@netscape.net> eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Quick question, where's the download url for FC3 & 4.2 ? > > > I just finished builing beta #1... it is at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/ > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hi Eric, The first CD doesn't boot ???? I've tried to download & burn it twice with the same effect. I know you're busy but I'd like to try FC3, any suggestions. BTW if I boot with FC2 & check the FC3 cd it does identify it as FC3 V4.2.0 & it checks out. thks norbert From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Sun Nov 21 02:33:39 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:33:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <419EA2B4.5090105@cmosnetworks.com> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419E82BD.20101@execulink.com> <419EA2B4.5090105@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200411202033.39575.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> El Viernes, 19 de Noviembre de 2004 19:49, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." escribi?: > The best "testimonial" that I can give you is this: > > The tech person (also a teacher) in the school that has K12LTSP has not > had to reboot his server even once. The kids like it and brag about how > "we use Linux, we're da bomb!" Yes, some kids have actually taken > K12LTSP CDs home, and there are a few who I know actually used it. The > teachers like it because they don't have to play sneakernet in the > computer lab anymore; they can access the kids' data from > their--sadly--Windows boxes. Ah well, can't have everything. :-) And > the principal is ecstatic because, due to that K12LTSP server, that > school saved about $30K...before factoring in the yearly maintenance > savings. This is *one* server in *one* computer lab that gave--and > continues to give--this principal's budget that savings. > > It would seem that whatever curricula those teachers at this school are > using, K12LTSP does seem to be compatible with it. The teachers don't > really know that the kids are using OpenOffice.org, nor do they seem to > care, so long as they can keep opening the kids' files on their Windows > boxes running MS Office. I'm guessing that the principal had a lot to > do with the relative lack of whining at the beginning. > > Perhaps this isn't the kind of testimonial you were looking for, but > it's the best I can do. > At least from my point of view, that it is the kind of testimony I like most. Why?. 1. Well, I like to say "Linux and open-source" are not enemies of anybody, not even M$. It works with whatever you have: Windows, Mac, Novell......This way, silently, it is having more andThe kids like it and brag about how more market. And in the way it is more convenient. Without noise nor fanfare. Do not wake up the Mon$ter.....:-) 2. "The kids like it and brag about how "we use Linux, we're da bomb!" . Precisely!. These are the kids that will be the adults in a little more than a decade!. 'Nuff said..... Mario Guerra From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Sun Nov 21 02:36:09 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:36:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <20041120015423.GC22077@sonic.net> References: <000001c4ce42$6bbf0260$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <419EA2B4.5090105@cmosnetworks.com> <20041120015423.GC22077@sonic.net> Message-ID: <200411202036.09590.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> El Viernes, 19 de Noviembre de 2004 19:54, Bill Kendrick escribi?: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 08:49:40PM -0500, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > > The teachers don't really know that the kids are using OpenOffice.org, > > nor do they seem to care, so long as they can keep opening the kids' > > files on their Windows boxes running MS Office. > > OOC, any reason the teachers aren't just using OpenOffice.org? > I see potential for even more $$ savings $$ :) > May I suggest something?. Make an Exc.....OpenOffice.org chart stating the savings given by the server AND another the eventual savings that can be obtaained by using OOO.... Mario Guerra From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Nov 21 05:15:48 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:15:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <419FE42C.7090205@netscape.net> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <419FE42C.7090205@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, norbert wrote: > Hi Eric, > > The first CD doesn't boot ???? I've tried to download & burn it twice with the > same effect. I know you're busy but I'd like to try FC3, any suggestions. > BTW if I boot with FC2 & check the FC3 cd it does identify it as FC3 V4.2.0 & > it checks out. Hmmm, I'm pretty sure we used the latest-n-greatest to do some installs at our LUG's install-fest today. I'm working on another build, I'll test that CD installs work before I upload it tonight/tomorrow morning... -Eric From jkinz at kinz.org Sun Nov 21 05:29:06 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:29:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X In-Reply-To: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org>; from spowers@inlandlakes.org on Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 04:39:36PM -0500 References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20041121002906.A32549@redline.comcast.net> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 04:39:36PM -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > Bill Kendrick just made a good point on a different thread regarding > open source alternatives. I am in a spot at school that staff members > are asking for the "evidence" of the claims about great free software to > do their tasks. Since places like Sourceforge are overwhelming, I'll > start this thread to ask about some needs I need to fill soon. > > I think it's fair to offer web-based alternatives, as long as the lack > of sound in flash is taken into account. Big table of Win-Linux equivalent-ish applications here: http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml (Big, BIG honkin' table. enjoy!) > > So, what do you suggest for: > > 3) Inspiration. I have never used this, but apparently it is some sort > of "thought process flowchart" thing. This particular package is > heralded in our HS Lab (currently a mac lab) and ironically, they don't > have enough licenses for the number of students they have this year > (classsize increase due to budget cuts) "Freemind" not in the table so I'm mentioning it here. http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FreeMind_on_Linux " FreeMind - free mind mapping software FreeMind is a premier free mind-mapping software written in Java. The recent development has hopefully turned it into high productivity tool. We are proud that the operation and navigation of FreeMind is faster than that of Mind Manager because of one-click "fold / unfold" and "follow link" operations. " > -- Linux/Open Source. Your base belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2763 Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. ~ ~ ~ ~ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 05:48:44 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:48:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <419FE42C.7090205@netscape.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560411202148e8aa15a@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I got it to boot, but none of them passes the check before partitioning though. And the md5sums match up ok. I'm installing it on our newly assembled dual opteron server for kicks i guess. How long do these things usually take to be non-beta? I'd love to use fc3 but I don't think i can 'song and dance' for a week. Thanks, Peter On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:15:48 -0800 (PST), Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, norbert wrote: > > > Hi Eric, > > > > The first CD doesn't boot ???? I've tried to download & burn it twice with the > > same effect. I know you're busy but I'd like to try FC3, any suggestions. > > BTW if I boot with FC2 & check the FC3 cd it does identify it as FC3 V4.2.0 & > > it checks out. > > Hmmm, I'm pretty sure we used the latest-n-greatest to do some installs > at our LUG's install-fest today. > > I'm working on another build, I'll test that CD installs work before > I upload it tonight/tomorrow morning... > > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Nov 21 06:01:31 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:01:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560411202148e8aa15a@mail.gmail.com> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <419FE42C.7090205@netscape.net> <9bd317560411202148e8aa15a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Ascension Tech wrote: > Hi all, > I got it to boot, but none of them passes the check before > partitioning though. And the md5sums match up ok. I was reading earlier that with FC3 it depends on how you burn the discs on whether or not the check will work. Testing this is on my todo list for tomorrow. > I'm installing it > on our newly assembled dual opteron server for kicks i guess. How > long do these things usually take to be non-beta? I'd love to use > fc3 but I don't think i can 'song and dance' for a week. If you are happy with the current results, you could consider it "done". There may be some small changes, but those will be picked up with the updates. Where I am focusing my attention/testing is on upgrades. The "official" release will come after I feel comfortable that upgrades work as expected. I hope to finish my testing tomorrow, then maybe sit on it for a week to see if any problems are reported. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Nov 21 07:54:01 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:54:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <419FE42C.7090205@netscape.net> <9bd317560411202148e8aa15a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Ascension Tech wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I got it to boot, but none of them passes the check before >> partitioning though. And the md5sums match up ok. > > I was reading earlier that with FC3 it depends on how you burn the > discs on whether or not the check will work. Testing this is on > my todo list for tomorrow. I happen to run across a couple posts on the fedora-devel list about this. From the couple of posts that skimmed, it seems to a problem with the 2.6 kernel & certain hardware combinations that cause the media check to fail when it should not. The two suggestions I saw were to "pad" (i.e. add -pad to cdrecord) the discs when you burn them or to turn of DMA and/or read-ahead off on your CD before running the media check. -Eric From gj.kramer at planet.nl Sun Nov 21 08:20:17 2004 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav Kramer) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:20:17 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1101025217.3737.52.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 08:46, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, norbert wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Quick question, where's the download url for FC3 & 4.2 ? > > I just finished builing beta #1... it is at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/ > > -Eric Eric, Is there an rsync command that can be used? I tried rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::4.2.0/iso/ . but got @ERROR: Unknown module '4.2.0'. I d/l the alphas last week and would like to save us both a bit of bandwidth. Thanks, - gustav From andyr at wizzy.com Sun Nov 21 09:27:35 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:27:35 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Thin Client boot option to a Windows box Message-ID: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> Folks, In a Thin Client lab, network booting from a server is usually accomplished by an EPROM installed on the network card. This is still the optimal solution, but can be inconvenient, because of the lack of an EPROM burner, or an onboard network card having no facility for this. Sometimes it is a lab full of Windows computers, that just need dual-boot (to LTSP) capability added. Sometimes they are donated computers, with nothing useful on possibly-small hard drives. I modified a copy of Toms root/boot to provide a quick, one-step solution to these issues, and document the process at http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ I pulled out all the ext2 tools (sorry, needed the space), and put eb-5.3.7-etherboot-pci.zlilo and a setup script in the root dir. This is an etherboot image with support for all PCI network cards supported by the etherboot project, from http://www.rom-o-matic.net/ log in as root, and type "./ltsp.sh /dev/hda1" The script tries mounting that partition, to create C:\etherboot on it with the "kitchen sink" etherboot image above, and run lilo to set it up. If the partition does not exist, the script offers to trash the hard drive and create /dev/hda1 itself, as a vfat partition. Please let me know if there are problems. Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ PS. It has been tweaked since my post earlier this week, to fix a bug in the re-formatting code, and to provide a lilo Windows option. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Nov 21 09:31:48 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 21 Nov 2004 17:31:48 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X In-Reply-To: <20041121002906.A32549@redline.comcast.net> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> <20041121002906.A32549@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1101029516.970.6.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 13:29, Jeff Kinz wrote: -snip- > Big table of Win-Linux equivalent-ish applications here: > http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml > I've been checking out that link you gave, Jeff. Other than it being a little dated (only some inconsequential aspects would have changed in since last update) it is a beauty. I'll pass it on to my M$Windows friends who always ask "what would I use in linux instead of xxxx". Thanks for that. -- Regards, Gavin Chester PO Box 62 (2 Pegrum Rd), Dwellingup, Western Australia 6213 Tel: +61 8 95381102 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 09:34:46 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 04:34:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sil3114 Message-ID: <9bd31756041121013440e7e9ce@mail.gmail.com> Hiya, I just put our tyan s2882 server together and I can't seem to get the Silicon Image 3114 sata raid controller going. I've installed the 4.2 beta1 to one drive, then kudzu finds the controller. I created an an array and coppied the data but when i boot it complains about there being double boot loaders. There's a Raid_Utility folder on the driver disk with a file called Win_and_Linux_REV_110.exe. I'm not really sure what to do with that. Any solutions or thoughts or am I going to use SW raid? Thanks, Peter From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Nov 21 13:48:07 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:48:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] sil3114 In-Reply-To: <9bd31756041121013440e7e9ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd31756041121013440e7e9ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Is that particular card supported in RAID mode by linux? Most of these "ATA RAID" cards are actually software raid. (with the exception of the 3ware ones) They offload all the work to the processor. You'd be just as well to use the built-in RAID, especially if you are doing RAID 1. It might be worth it to use the controller if you are doing RAID 10 01 or 5. IIRC it would lower the traffic on your PCI bus. On Nov 21, 2004, at 3:34 AM, Ascension Tech wrote: > Hiya, > I just put our tyan s2882 server together and I can't seem to get the > Silicon Image 3114 sata raid controller going. I've installed the > 4.2 beta1 to one drive, then kudzu finds the controller. I created an > an array and coppied the data but when i boot it complains about there > being double boot loaders. There's a Raid_Utility folder on the > driver disk with a file called Win_and_Linux_REV_110.exe. I'm not > really sure what to do with that. Any solutions or thoughts or am I > going to use SW raid? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkGgnJcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTzgwCbBTXTq6nScitRwSoKguHrfp8B RjsAoIeK51qj6Ftncrznx57rWAKfNLST =3sBX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Nov 21 15:59:33 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:59:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1101025217.3737.52.camel@server.ltsp> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <1101025217.3737.52.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Gustav Kramer wrote: > > Is there an rsync command that can be used? I tried > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::4.2.0/iso/ . > > but got @ERROR: Unknown module '4.2.0'. > > I d/l the alphas last week and would like to save us both a bit of > bandwidth. This will work for right now: rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . but I should have a new set of ISOs uploaded within the next hour or so... -Eric From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Nov 21 16:18:04 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:18:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <419FE42C.7090205@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41A0BFBC.10807@netscape.net> eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, norbert wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> The first CD doesn't boot ???? I've tried to download & burn it twice >> with the same effect. I know you're busy but I'd like to try FC3, any >> suggestions. >> BTW if I boot with FC2 & check the FC3 cd it does identify it as FC3 >> V4.2.0 & it checks out. > > > Hmmm, I'm pretty sure we used the latest-n-greatest to do some installs > at our LUG's install-fest today. > > I'm working on another build, I'll test that CD installs work before > I upload it tonight/tomorrow morning... > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hi Eric, I don't know if it makes any difference but the images were burnt with NERO on a WinXP station. What I find strange is that the 1st CD checks out (but I have to boot with a FC2 cd to get to the testing) and it reads without problems or errors..... Is there another way of burning the image ? or parameters to set ? thks norbert From les at futuresource.com Sun Nov 21 16:43:41 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:43:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <41A0BFBC.10807@netscape.net> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <419FE42C.7090205@netscape.net> <41A0BFBC.10807@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1101055421.595.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 10:18, norbert wrote: > I don't know if it makes any difference but the images were burnt with > NERO on a WinXP station. What I find strange is that the 1st CD checks > out (but I have to boot with a FC2 cd to get to the testing) and it > reads without problems or errors..... > Is there another way of burning the image ? or parameters to set ? I have sometimes had trouble booting cds that were either on CD-RW media (unfortunate because I like to re-use the betas), or burned at the writers highest speed. Try slowing down to 8x or so for the burn. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Nov 21 16:51:59 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:51:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1101055421.595.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <419FE42C.7090205@netscape.net> <41A0BFBC.10807@netscape.net> <1101055421.595.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41A0C7AF.8000002@netscape.net> les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 10:18, norbert wrote: > > > >>I don't know if it makes any difference but the images were burnt with >>NERO on a WinXP station. What I find strange is that the 1st CD checks >>out (but I have to boot with a FC2 cd to get to the testing) and it >>reads without problems or errors..... >>Is there another way of burning the image ? or parameters to set ? >> >> > >I have sometimes had trouble booting cds that were either on CD-RW >media (unfortunate because I like to re-use the betas), or burned >at the writers highest speed. Try slowing down to 8x or so for the >burn. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi Les, Since CDs are so cheap here I don't bother with CDRW (besides these only rewrite at 2X or 4X) and I let NERO calculate the best write speed. Although my burner can write at 52X it usually only calculates that it can write at 40X. However I'll give it a try... thanks norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sun Nov 21 16:53:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:53:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X In-Reply-To: <1101029516.970.6.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> <20041121002906.A32549@redline.comcast.net> <1101029516.970.6.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <1101055980.595.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 03:31, Gavin Chester wrote: > I've been checking out that link you gave, Jeff. Other than it being a > little dated (only some inconsequential aspects would have changed in > since last update) it is a beauty. I'll pass it on to my M$Windows > friends who always ask "what would I use in linux instead of xxxx". One difference in the free and commercial packages is that often the commercial ones will come with a ton of samples, examples, templates, icons, themes, etc. where the free ones tend to be bare bones. Often the free program is just as capable or more so but it feels harder to use at first because you can't pick a theme and have a lot of the work already done. Some of these might make good class projects or contests with the results donated back to become part of the package or accumulated somewhere for others to use. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Nov 21 16:57:31 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:57:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software to do X In-Reply-To: <1101055980.595.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> <20041121002906.A32549@redline.comcast.net> <1101029516.970.6.camel@compaq.mydomain> <1101055980.595.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41A0C8FB.4030909@netscape.net> les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 03:31, Gavin Chester wrote: > > > >>I've been checking out that link you gave, Jeff. Other than it being a >>little dated (only some inconsequential aspects would have changed in >>since last update) it is a beauty. I'll pass it on to my M$Windows >>friends who always ask "what would I use in linux instead of xxxx". >> >> > >One difference in the free and commercial packages is that often >the commercial ones will come with a ton of samples, examples, >templates, icons, themes, etc. where the free ones tend to be bare >bones. Often the free program is just as capable or more so but it >feels harder to use at first because you can't pick a theme and have a >lot of the work already done. Some of these might make good class >projects or contests with the results donated back to become part >of the package or accumulated somewhere for others to use. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi Les, Great suggestion !! What if we setup a "contest" for schools or colleges to create samples & templates for some of the popular OSS aplications? norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Nov 21 17:08:21 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:08:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #2 Message-ID: The second beta release of K12LTSP 4.2.0 has been uploaded. This build fixes a couple minor issues when upgrading from K12LTSP 3.1 and earlier. I also remembered to add back in apt. All of the latest-n-greated FC3 patches have been applied, including an updated kernel that fixes a problem with Megaraid SCSI cards. Standard disclaimers apply: this is a beta so don't use in a production environment, etc, etc. Please report any bugs you may find... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . -Eric From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Nov 21 17:20:03 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:20:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A0CE43.1070805@netscape.net> eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > > The second beta release of K12LTSP 4.2.0 has been uploaded. > > This build fixes a couple minor issues when upgrading from > K12LTSP 3.1 and earlier. I also remembered to add back in apt. > > All of the latest-n-greated FC3 patches have been applied, > including an updated kernel that fixes a problem with Megaraid SCSI > cards. > > Standard disclaimers apply: this is a beta so don't use in > a production environment, etc, etc. Please report any bugs > you may find... > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hi Eric, hmm dumb question.. can I just the first CD of this new set or do I have to burn a complet new set? thks norbert From les at futuresource.com Sun Nov 21 17:22:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:22:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Thin Client boot option to a Windows box In-Reply-To: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> References: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1101057756.595.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 03:27, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > Sometimes it is a lab full of Windows computers, that just need > dual-boot (to LTSP) capability added. Does anyone know enough about grub to know if it would fit in this scenario? I think the initial part can load load locally or via pxe/etherboot, then likewise for the config and kernel loading. It should be possible to make a menu choice for network boot on an existing hard disk install, or if you can make the config file load from the network a change on the server could set the default boot option for a whole classroom or lab. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Nov 21 17:28:28 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:28:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #2 In-Reply-To: <41A0CE43.1070805@netscape.net> References: <41A0CE43.1070805@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, norbert wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > hmm dumb question.. can I just the first CD of this new set or do I have to > burn a complet new set? > > thks > norbert If you are going to do a CD install, you need to burn a complete set. If you are doing a network install, and are using the first CD to boot from, then you can use the 4.2.0 beta 1 disc1 or a stock FC3 disc 1 to boot. -Eric From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Nov 21 17:09:02 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:09:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1101055421.595.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <419FE42C.7090205@netscape.net> <41A0BFBC.10807@netscape.net> <1101055421.595.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41A0CBAE.3080201@netscape.net> les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 10:18, norbert wrote: > > > >>I don't know if it makes any difference but the images were burnt with >>NERO on a WinXP station. What I find strange is that the 1st CD checks >>out (but I have to boot with a FC2 cd to get to the testing) and it >>reads without problems or errors..... >>Is there another way of burning the image ? or parameters to set ? >> >> > >I have sometimes had trouble booting cds that were either on CD-RW >media (unfortunate because I like to re-use the betas), or burned >at the writers highest speed. Try slowing down to 8x or so for the >burn. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi Les, Tried at 8X & no difference :-( norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at telus.net Sun Nov 21 17:49:48 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:49:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] sil3114 In-Reply-To: <9bd31756041121013440e7e9ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd31756041121013440e7e9ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41A0D53C.2030102@telus.net> Ascension Tech wrote: >Hiya, >I just put our tyan s2882 server together and I can't seem to get the >Silicon Image 3114 sata raid controller going. I've installed the >4.2 beta1 to one drive, then kudzu finds the controller. I created an >an array and coppied the data but when i boot it complains about there >being double boot loaders. There's a Raid_Utility folder on the >driver disk with a file called Win_and_Linux_REV_110.exe. I'm not >really sure what to do with that. Any solutions or thoughts or am I >going to use SW raid? > >Thanks, >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Chances are that the controller is already software raid. The driver that comes with it for linux is probably just using the cpu to run it in raid mode. Real hardware raid is expensive. I recommend using the raid support built into the linux kernel. It is of course also software raid but it's proven and fast. One recommendation though, check to see that the /boot part. must not be raided. I remember something like this. There are many "Raid how-to" for this using the kernel. But sata maybe a little harder to find. I imagine you will need 2.6 kernel though. From robark at telus.net Sun Nov 21 17:55:43 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:55:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Thin Client boot option to a Windows box In-Reply-To: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> References: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <41A0D69F.8010309@telus.net> This is great. I have a dual boot setup in my lab. We used Toms Root boot solution from the wiki. One question though. I assume it won't work with ntfs. You should state that on your site. Cause we had to resize the main windows partition to make room for a little tiny linux partition at the end of the disk to boot from. Robert Arkiletian From les at futuresource.com Sun Nov 21 17:58:31 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:58:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #2 In-Reply-To: References: <41A0CE43.1070805@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1101059910.595.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 11:28, Eric Harrison wrote: > If you are doing a network install, and are using the first CD to > boot from, then you can use the 4.2.0 beta 1 disc1 or a stock FC3 > disc 1 to boot. I guess the kernel has become so bloated that they've given up on floppy booting completely. Downloading to an NFS-exported directory and burning only the first CD which you boot with 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt is probably the easiest approach. However there are still some alternatives. If you have a small USB flash drive and your server will boot from USB there is a 6+meg image that you can use. You have to copy this in image mode so it will wipe out anything already on the flash though. If you happen to have an old compact flash (etc.) that came with a camera and is now too small to consider using, it will work for this with a matching USB adapter. There is also a pxe-bootable install kernel that shouldn't be too hard to glue into the ltsp framework. You can get to these without burning the CD by mounting the first .iso file somewhere with the '-o loop' option in the mount command. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Nov 21 18:33:50 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:33:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #2 In-Reply-To: <1101059910.595.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <41A0CE43.1070805@netscape.net> <1101059910.595.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41A0DF8E.50206@netscape.net> les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 11:28, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >>If you are doing a network install, and are using the first CD to >>boot from, then you can use the 4.2.0 beta 1 disc1 or a stock FC3 >>disc 1 to boot. >> >> > >I guess the kernel has become so bloated that they've given up on >floppy booting completely. Downloading to an NFS-exported directory >and burning only the first CD which you boot with 'linux askmethod' >at the boot prompt is probably the easiest approach. However there >are still some alternatives. If you have a small USB flash drive >and your server will boot from USB there is a 6+meg image that you >can use. You have to copy this in image mode so it will wipe out >anything already on the flash though. If you happen to have an >old compact flash (etc.) that came with a camera and is now too >small to consider using, it will work for this with a matching >USB adapter. > >There is also a pxe-bootable install kernel that shouldn't be too >hard to glue into the ltsp framework. You can get to these without >burning the CD by mounting the first .iso file somewhere with the >'-o loop' option in the mount command. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > Hi Les, Thanks, but I'll download the CDs since I want to try it on a couple of different test machines. norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sun Nov 21 19:40:57 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:40:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless_ltsp on hard disk...howto? In-Reply-To: <419713FE.1040708@edu.vantaa.fi> References: <419713FE.1040708@edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <20041121144057.5e9bf70c.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Mikko, Yes. I have done it a number of times. I partitioned the HD into 4 peices. I have 2 DOS partitions, one (50MB) for MS-DOS (so I can run some specific apps), and one (2MB) for the LTSP Wireless image. One Linux swap (64 MB) and then 1 linux (the rest) partition (for when I am away from the LTSP box). I use SmartBootManager to manage the various boots. This way I can also try different linux installs without having to redo lilo/grub every time. Partion your drive the way you want it, install linux on one of them. Then just boot into linux, and instead of writing the wireless_ltsp image to /dev/floppy write it to /dev/hda2 (or what ever you LTSP Wireless partition is). I think you will need to format the partion first. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:14:54 +0200 Mikko Jordman wrote: > Hi, > having a few laptops without fd, howto put the wireless_ltsp image on > harddisk? Is it possible to have a bootmanager (to keep local linux on > the hard drive)? > > Mikko Jordman > Finland > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From scott at hosef.org Sun Nov 21 18:45:16 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:45:16 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Thin Client boot option to a Windows box In-Reply-To: <1101057756.595.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> <1101057756.595.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41A0E23C.9020909@hosef.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 03:27, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > >> Sometimes it is a lab full of Windows computers, that just need >> dual-boot (to LTSP) capability added. > > > Does anyone know enough about grub to know if it would fit in this > scenario? I think the initial part can load load locally or via > pxe/etherboot, then likewise for the config and kernel loading. We use grub to tri-boot one of our labs to Windows, Debian, or the LTSP. It works like a champ, and we set grub to wait on the user to make a choice vs. booting to the default after x seconds. I grabbed the specific images at rom-o-matic, but since they sit in the boot directory, I don't see why the mega etherboot image wouldn't work just as well. I'll try it next Saturday if no one else gets the chance. > > It should be possible to make a menu choice for network boot on > an existing hard disk install, or if you can make the config file > load from the network a change on the server could set the default > boot option for a whole classroom or lab. I'd like to explore loading the config file over the network. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com --scott From les at futuresource.com Sun Nov 21 19:02:07 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:02:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Thin Client boot option to a Windows box In-Reply-To: <41A0E23C.9020909@hosef.org> References: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> <1101057756.595.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <41A0E23C.9020909@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1101063726.1033.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 12:45, R. Scott Belford wrote: > We use grub to tri-boot one of our labs to Windows, Debian, or the LTSP. > It works like a champ, and we set grub to wait on the user to make a > choice vs. booting to the default after x seconds. I grabbed the > specific images at rom-o-matic, but since they sit in the boot > directory, I don't see why the mega etherboot image wouldn't work just > as well. I'll try it next Saturday if no one else gets the chance. Somewhere I got the impression that grub has etherboot capability built in and should be able to load a kernel directly without booting another intermediate loader, but the project seems to be in transition now and I'm having trouble finding relevant documentation. > > > > It should be possible to make a menu choice for network boot on > > an existing hard disk install, or if you can make the config file > > load from the network a change on the server could set the default > > boot option for a whole classroom or lab. > > I'd like to explore loading the config file over the network. I did find this http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_6.html that says it is tag 150 in the dhcp options. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Nov 21 19:57:44 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:57:44 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041121195826.FULY56.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Are there any improvements to sound in 4.2.0? This is the biggest issue for me. From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 21 20:59:14 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (Ben May) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:59:14 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Torrents In-Reply-To: <20041119000408.3E72673D43@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041119000408.3E72673D43@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41A101A2.8090503@optusnet.com.au> Hello everyone, i was wondering if there is a application that lets me download torrents, not the actual *.torrent but what program can i run a torrent with? Thanks Ben May From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Nov 21 20:59:42 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:59:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A101BE.1090707@netscape.net> eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > > The second beta release of K12LTSP 4.2.0 has been uploaded. > > This build fixes a couple minor issues when upgrading from > K12LTSP 3.1 and earlier. I also remembered to add back in apt. > > All of the latest-n-greated FC3 patches have been applied, > including an updated kernel that fixes a problem with Megaraid SCSI > cards. > > Standard disclaimers apply: this is a beta so don't use in > a production environment, etc, etc. Please report any bugs > you may find... > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hi Eric, I just burned your new set & same issue the first CD doesn't boot although it checks out ... suggestions please thks norbert From gj.kramer at planet.nl Sun Nov 21 21:06:02 2004 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav Kramer) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:06:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <1101025217.3737.52.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1101071162.10184.21.camel@server.ltsp> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 16:59, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Gustav Kramer wrote: > > > > > Is there an rsync command that can be used? I tried > > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::4.2.0/iso/ . > > > > but got @ERROR: Unknown module '4.2.0'. > > > > I d/l the alphas last week and would like to save us both a bit of > > bandwidth. > > This will work for right now: > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . > > but I should have a new set of ISOs uploaded within the next > hour or so... > > -Eric I'm rsyncing beta2 as I write this. In the meantime the only things I found with the alpha (in the limited testing I had time for) were sound issues and getting acrobat. Sound: nasd doesn't seem to work esd works with xmms but not with realplayer. With Realplayer 8 I was able to set which sound driver to use (native/oss/esd) on the performance tab of the preference window. With Realplayer 10 that option seems to be missing. I'm wondering if setting up the transport under GStreamer might help? I seem to remember having to do that for Rhythmbox. Acrobat: The first couple of times I tried the install script it choked on "Testing package set/Solving RPM interdependancies". On the third attempt, or perhaps the fourth, it completed the task and installed the reader. Other than that the install went well. I will install beta2 and report any changes to these two problems. - gustav From ybjones at one.net Sun Nov 21 21:24:47 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:24:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Torrents In-Reply-To: <41A101A2.8090503@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20041121212336.TAMB19704.gx4.fuse.net@aragorn> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Hello everyone, i was wondering if there is a application > that lets me download torrents, not the actual *.torrent but > what program can i run a torrent with? > Thanks I use Azureus (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/). Written in Java and they have both a JRE available as well as platform specific "builds" which essentially provide an easy to use wrapper to run the app. - -Yancey -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQaEHnzfD9Ahtn/EuEQKIbwCg2IV2HcumjeTk5vMIJY/y6ps3kwEAoPzZ xl+Sya4dK4OUFehyLGdZjBd/ =5PEs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Nov 21 21:49:35 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:49:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #2 In-Reply-To: <41A101BE.1090707@netscape.net> References: <41A101BE.1090707@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, norbert wrote: > Hi Eric, > > I just burned your new set & same issue the first CD doesn't boot although it > checks out ... suggestions please > > thks > norbert Hmmm. I just checked my build process and I'm pretty sure I'm building the images the same way that official FC3 images are built. Have you tried booting off a stock FC3 iso? If you don't have a FC3 iso, there is an un-modified FC3 boot ISO image in the K12LTSP iso: mount disc 1, burn ./images/boot.img onto a disc, and try booting off of that. -Eric From k12osn at collinsoft.com Mon Nov 22 03:02:47 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:02:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Nautilus with generic icons under IceWM Message-ID: Just set up my new K12LTSP 4.1.1 installation and I'm using IceWM instead of Gnome. I've got a small problem. I start up Nautilus with --no-desktop and --browser for the file manager, but all the icons come up generic. Any ideas on fixing it? Thanks! -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 22 03:56:55 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:56:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Nautilus with generic icons under IceWM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: > Just set up my new K12LTSP 4.1.1 installation and I'm using IceWM instead > of Gnome. I've got a small problem. I start up Nautilus with --no-desktop > and --browser for the file manager, but all the icons come up generic. Any > ideas on fixing it? > > Thanks! Where ever you are running nautilus (K12LTSP uses /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM by default), make sure that you call "/usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon &" before running nautilus. Such as: /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & /usr/bin/nautilus --no-desktop --browser & Let us know what you've changed and whether or not it worked... -Eric From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Nov 22 04:12:43 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:12:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Refining the script....more help? *please?* Message-ID: The script I need hellp with is below. My latest hurdle....this script works great (the first time)...if I try to run it again it pauses for every file to ask my if I want to overwrite it. I'd like to be able to run it every now and then to copy my users files from their Windows profile to their home directory to preserve the data and back it up. How can I run it and have it overwrite no matter what or at least have it replace if the file being copied is newer? I'd hate to have to keep my finger on the "y" key the whole time ;-) Any ideas welcomed..... !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." mkdir /home/${x}/win-backup chown ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup" cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup" cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup" cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup chown -R ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup done David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Nov 22 05:01:19 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:01:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Thin Client boot option to a Windows box In-Reply-To: <1101057756.595.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> <1101057756.595.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 12:22 PM +0000 wrote: >> Sometimes it is a lab full of Windows computers, that just need >> dual-boot (to LTSP) capability added. The easiest way? Do what I do in my lab.....make etherboot floppies for each machine...when you want K12LTSP....boot from the floppy...otherwise...pop it out and use Win XP on the local HD. Haven't had a stolen floppy in over a year. We use K12LTSP 75% of the day so the discs stay in almost all day. Nonetheless....truthfully...no one uses floppies anymore so the motive to steal them is gone. Most of our kids simply save to the server, email, or USB thumb drives. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Mon Nov 22 05:01:41 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:01:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Refining the script....more help? *please?* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101099701.1155.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 22:12, David Trask wrote: > The script I need hellp with is below. My latest hurdle....this script > works great (the first time)...if I try to run it again it pauses for > every file to ask my if I want to overwrite it. I can't duplicate that, but it might be a version difference in the cp command. The -f option (which you have) should force the copy without asking. However, the reason it is asking in the first place is that RedHat/fedora has this in /root/.bashrc: alias cp='cp -i' so when you execute 'cp' as root, it sets the -i option, like it or not. In the version I'm using, with both -i and -f the one later on the command line wins. You can avoid the issue by executing /bin/cp instead of just cp or get rid of the alias and type the -i only when you want it). And, of course, I'll take this opportunity to remind you that if you had backuppc running, you would already have copies of everything that you could restore with a couple of clicks on a web page... --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From luis.montes at cox.net Mon Nov 22 05:33:02 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:33:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Thin Client boot option to a Windows box In-Reply-To: References: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> <1101057756.595.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41A17A0E.6090208@cox.net> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 12:22 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>> Sometimes it is a lab full of Windows computers, that just need >>> dual-boot (to LTSP) capability added. >>> >>> > >The easiest way? Do what I do in my lab.....make etherboot floppies for >each machine...when you want K12LTSP....boot from the >floppy...otherwise...pop it out and use Win XP on the local HD. Haven't >had a stolen floppy in over a year. We use K12LTSP 75% of the day so the >discs stay in almost all day. Nonetheless....truthfully...no one uses >floppies anymore so the motive to steal them is gone. Most of our kids >simply save to the server, email, or USB thumb drives. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > I'm using Freedos + an etherboot .com image on some machines. (until I buy bootable nics for those) I built a sysrescd.org based CD to help automate this if anyone's interested. Its just the rescue cd and all the 5.2.5 bootroms with a a couple of text files explaining which rom goes with which nic, and a text editor for freedos to write an autoexec.bat to launch the rom. Haven't tried dual-booting freedos with anything yet though. Imagine it shouldn't be to hard. Luis From diego at in3.com.ar Mon Nov 22 03:19:07 2004 From: diego at in3.com.ar (Diego Torres Milano) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:19:07 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripters...I need your help! *please?* In-Reply-To: References: <1100887609.5890.32.camel@zebra> Message-ID: <1101093547.2972.9.camel@localhost> From bash man page: "If the extglob shell option is enabled using the shopt builtin, several extended pattern matching operators are recognized." Those patterns are like the one used in the example. On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 02:36, David Trask wrote: > diego at in3.com.ar on Friday, November 19, 2004 at 1:06 PM +0000 wrote: > >One minor improvement, if you are using bash, enable extglob if not > >already enabled > > > >$ shopt -s extglob > > what does this do? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 -- Diego Torres Milano IN3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In the version I'm using, with both -i and -f the one later on the >command line wins. You can avoid the issue by executing /bin/cp instead >of just cp or get rid of the alias and type the -i only when you want >it). +++++++++++ Les...you ROCK! /bin/cp did it! I'm really starting to play with this script....I now have a zip file of the current contents being written and then copied to a corresponding copy of the home dir on an NFS share....(and then deleting the zip file)....etc.... This is fun! +++++++++++ > > >And, of course, I'll take this opportunity to remind you that if you >had backuppc running, you would already have copies of everything that >you could restore with a couple of clicks on a web page... ++++++++++ AMEN....keep after us on this one Les :-) I plan to give it a try in a week or so....gotta get throught the holiday and a big conference. I actually loaded it on an Ubuntu laptop, but haven't had the chance to figure out what to do from there. Do you have or can you point me to a good How-To on installing it on a Fedora (or even a K12LTSP) box? I'm running K12LTSP 4.1 with FC2. I need the total how-to....including any other stuff I need to install such as rsync or whatever. Or can I do simple NFS backups? How does it deal with RAID setups? I've got 4 drives with varying RAID 1 and 0 paritions and devices. Will it preserve all that? I simply want to restore with a few clicks should I ever need disaster recovery. I wish it could be as easy as backing up and SME server :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 09:44:37 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:44:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1101071162.10184.21.camel@server.ltsp> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <1101025217.3737.52.camel@server.ltsp> <1101071162.10184.21.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <9bd317560411220144292127c6@mail.gmail.com> Hey Eric, This is awesome! I am having some sound trouble though. It works once on the terminals once but after restarting the the application(gcompris) again it doesn't work. I'm using esd. I'm running 4.2-beta2 by the way. And also once and awhile I get a "Failed to mount root directory via NFS" error during boot. What'd ya think? Thanks, Peter On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:06:02 +0100, Gustav Kramer wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 16:59, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Gustav Kramer wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there an rsync command that can be used? I tried > > > > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::4.2.0/iso/ . > > > > > > but got @ERROR: Unknown module '4.2.0'. > > > > > > I d/l the alphas last week and would like to save us both a bit of > > > bandwidth. > > > > This will work for right now: > > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . > > > > but I should have a new set of ISOs uploaded within the next > > hour or so... > > > > -Eric > > > I'm rsyncing beta2 as I write this. In the meantime the only things I > found with the alpha (in the limited testing I had time for) were sound > issues and getting acrobat. > > Sound: > > nasd doesn't seem to work > esd works with xmms but not with realplayer. With Realplayer 8 > I was able to set which sound driver to use (native/oss/esd) on the > performance tab of the preference window. With Realplayer 10 that > option seems to be missing. I'm wondering if setting up the transport > under GStreamer might help? I seem to remember having to do that for > Rhythmbox. > > Acrobat: > > The first couple of times I tried the install script it choked on > "Testing package set/Solving RPM interdependancies". On the third > attempt, or perhaps the fourth, it completed the task and installed the > reader. > > Other than that the install went well. I will install beta2 and report > any changes to these two problems. > > - gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Mon Nov 22 10:50:13 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:50:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Software to do X In-Reply-To: <419ED03F.1000502@telus.net> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> <419ED03F.1000502@telus.net> Message-ID: Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Don't forget Blender and Povray for 3D modeling. Only problem is most > old clients don't have accelerated OpenGL chips. All of mine are Nvidia > Riva 128 or S3 Virge cards. BTW anyone try mesa drivers? Do they eat > too much cpu cycles? I'd imagine software 3D rendering in a terminal > server would be TOO slow if you had a whole class of 30. Even for a dual > Xeon. Blender works fine w/ Mesa, but does chew CPU and X bandwidth as you say. You really want that to run locally. That is true of any 3D modelling or CAD program. From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Mon Nov 22 11:14:57 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:14:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Software to do X In-Reply-To: <419EA5B1.6010409@cmosnetworks.com> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> <419EA5B1.6010409@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >> >> 2) "Math-Type" -- I guess this is a program that creates tests for >> math teachers. Are there any test-creation programs available that >> work well? I'm talking printed-out tests, not online or computer >> based tests. (To me, just using OpenOffice seemed to fit the bill, >> but apparently the teachers are used to some specialty program >> designed for such a thing) >> > > Yes, there is. Have you ever considered using LaTeX for this purpose? > A friend of mine at the University of Washington converted the entire > Math Dept. there over to using LaTeX--remember, these are all ego-maniac > Ph. D. professors here--and not only did they convert to using LaTeX, > but they now swear by it and won't consider anything that isn't as > good. They use it for everything--exams, worksheets, you name it--even > books (some of them have written their own mathematics books). Before > that, they'd used Microsoft Office for this purpose, and their attitude > was, "I don't have time to learn any 'new technology'; I have to do my > research and teach! I've got a *job* to do!" This is very true. LaTeX and TeX are what real type setters and mathematicians use to typeset their documents. It looks much better than anything out of a Microsoft program. It's also significantly faster than point'n'click once you get good at it. Like w/ all good open source programs, if you don't know how to do something, the web is littered w/ documentation. For those who can't live w/o a GUI, there's lyx. From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Mon Nov 22 11:56:47 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:56:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Software to do X In-Reply-To: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Shawn Powers wrote: > I think it's fair to offer web-based alternatives, as long as the lack > of sound in flash is taken into account. Why no sound in flash? running it off the server? > 2) "Math-Type" -- I guess this is a program that creates tests for math > teachers. Are there any test-creation programs available that work > well? I'm talking printed-out tests, not online or computer based > tests. (To me, just using OpenOffice seemed to fit the bill, but > apparently the teachers are used to some specialty program designed for > such a thing) > > 4) Interfacing with TI calculators. Is this possible? Apparently they > have been able to copy/paste TI calculator images that were piped into > their macs. Is there a TI emulator that could be screen captured? > > 5) Streaming Media. Real media, quicktime, wmv, mpg, whatever the > format -- is this possible at all? (Especially via a browser) How does > sound work? Does it? mplayer and mplayerplug-in (to make it work in your browser). These are not included in most distn's, but can be grabbed as rpms for any distn. Mplayer plays almost _everything_. I've never seen a media player on any platform out of the box come close to what mplayer can do. > > 6) Science specific things? (Biology, earth sciences, physics stuff, > chemistry stuff, astronomy, etc) > > 8) Math software, specifically that are commonly used with classes > instead of neat idea that doesn't lend itself to common use... (This > need is at all levels in our district, from K-12) Can you be more specific as to what "Math software" is? Math software for K would be much different than for 12, I would expect. > 10) Nutrition software (odd I know, but it's one of the pieces of > software my opposition is heralding as a reason OS won't work) > > 11) Edutainment for elementary age. Bill Kendrick has provided 2 lion's > shares of software in this regard, but I'm curious about others too. > (Thanks Bill!) Remember, not everything needs to become open source at once. Even if you convert all the machines to Linux, you can still run a great variety of commercial Windows software with wine or wine derivatives. Unfortunately people are reluctant to try new things, and their primary questions are, "Can it do X, just like I'm doing now?", rather than considering all the things that they will be able to do that they couldn't before. There's much that I do everyday that I couldn't afford to do if I had to buy commercial software in place of my OS. -Frank From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Nov 22 13:24:43 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:24:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Software to do X In-Reply-To: <20041122105125.AFA1A73A35@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041122105125.AFA1A73A35@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101129883.8675.7.camel@phoenix.media.local> I've had some kids playing armagetron on the Thin-clients. It works incredibly well (lowest detail). It doesn't hit the server CPU very much at all. If I use XDMCP to login to the server from my workstation, armagetron actually uses my LOCAL 3d acceleration (I have the NVIDIA drivers installed on my workstation X server). Bandwith, it is probably making a dent.. (I have slowdows in another lab that is only connected by 10/100 to the server... my main lab is via gigabit pipe to the server). Ah, the beauty of X's client/server model... From: Frank Samuelson Reply-To: Support list for opensource software in schools. To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Software to do X Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:50:13 -0500 Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Don't forget Blender and Povray for 3D modeling. Only problem is most > old clients don't have accelerated OpenGL chips. All of mine are Nvidia > Riva 128 or S3 Virge cards. BTW anyone try mesa drivers? Do they eat > too much cpu cycles? I'd imagine software 3D rendering in a terminal > server would be TOO slow if you had a whole class of 30. Even for a dual > Xeon. Blender works fine w/ Mesa, but does chew CPU and X bandwidth as you say. You really want that to run locally. That is true of any 3D modelling or CAD program. From les at futuresource.com Mon Nov 22 13:45:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:45:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Software to do X In-Reply-To: References: <419E6818.3050308@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1101131104.3421.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 05:56, Frank Samuelson wrote: > > 5) Streaming Media. Real media, quicktime, wmv, mpg, whatever the > > format -- is this possible at all? (Especially via a browser) How does > > sound work? Does it? > > mplayer and mplayerplug-in (to make it work in your browser). > These are not included in most distn's, but can > be grabbed as rpms for any distn. Mplayer plays almost > _everything_. I've never seen a media player on any platform > out of the box come close to what mplayer can do. Videolan client (vlc) is also very good, works cross-platform and is capable of acting as a streaming multicast server. I think with a little work getting it to run as a local app on the clients you would be able to stream videos to a whole classroom or building using little bandwidth or server resources and mac/windows clients could watch too. It (and mplayer, xine, etc.) can be found at http://rpm.livna.org/. Because of all the libraries you have to keep in sync, you really want to let yum or apt-get install these packages. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From andyr at wizzy.com Mon Nov 22 14:08:04 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:08:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Thin Client boot option to a Windows box In-Reply-To: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> References: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <20041122140804.GA14082@wizzy.com> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > I modified a copy of Toms root/boot to provide a quick, > one-step solution to these issues, and document the process at > http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ And the copy of fdformat got corrupted somehow, preventing disk creation under linux. Sorry - new binary available at ftp://ftp.wizzy.com/pub/wizzy/wizzy-tomsrtbt-2.0.105.tar.gz As Robert Arkiletian noted, Toms root/boot cannot write to NTFS partitions, even though it can read. Bummer. Cheers, Andy! From k12osn at collinsoft.com Mon Nov 22 14:34:17 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:34:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] asterisk PBX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Mark Orenstein wrote: > Does anyone have experience using asterisk within a K12 school. I'm > investigating using it as a voice mail system for a small elementary school > having 12 teachers. The teachers would listen to their voice mail using > their classroom PC; there are no phones within the classrooms. It would > supplement the existing 1989 vintage Merlin Plus system in the school which > has only one phone available to the teachers. We are experimenting with this right now. The Asterisk server is our old mail server, Pentium III 800MHz with 1GB of RAM. It seems to be overkill for this though. I bought some of the Grandstream Budgetone phones from and a FXO card from atacomm.com. The phones were $75 and the FXO card (4 port) was around $380. The individual phone lines plug into the FXO card. We just put it in place, so I can't really tell you how well it's going. It seems to work ok over our 2mbs half-duplex wireless connection though. Some things to be aware of (trying to go cheap): -If the power is out, the phones are out. Be sure to keep a landline available for emergencies. -If the server or connection to the server dies, the phones die. And to keep this on topic, when I first tried this out, I grabbed the most availabe distribution to me, K12LTSP! My current server is running Debian Woody though. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From k12osn at collinsoft.com Mon Nov 22 15:03:46 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:03:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Load average above 10? Message-ID: I just put K12LTSP 4.1.1 on my Dell 6500. It has 4 Pentium III Xeon processors, 4GB of RAM, and 2 18GB 15000 rpm SCSI drives. Should I be concerned that the load is going over 10? If I do a top it shows that each processor is maybe at 5% utilization. Homes for the users are mounted over NFS from our OS X server. The machine doesn't seem sluggish at all. Thanks! -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Nov 22 14:55:22 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 95 In-Reply-To: <1100846905.14323.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041119000407.48E7172DF0@hormel.redhat.com> <1100846905.14323.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41A1FDDA.6090803@inlandlakes.org> John Baillie wrote: > the other two for a total of 5GB. If this is for the windows server, be aware windows will only address 4GB of RAM. Also, while "really cool" -- I've had issues with using the single application mode of terminal services. At least I've had a problem with offering BOTH single application AND full windows session option... I have solved much of it by configuring windows to kill any disconnected sessions immediately after disconnect, otherwise I get messages about "file already open" or "application cannot start" etc, etc. Good luck! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 22 15:43:58 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:43:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <419FE42C.7090205@netscape.net> Message-ID: <002b01c4d0aa$148ba3d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > The first CD doesn't boot ???? I've tried to download & burn it twice > with the same effect. I know you're busy but I'd like to try FC3, any > suggestions. > BTW if I boot with FC2 & check the FC3 cd it does identify it as FC3 > V4.2.0 & it checks out. My CD's didn't boot either. I read a readme on disc one that said you could load the boot.iso or some other dmg onto either a usb keychain or CD to boot. So I loaded it on another disc, then booted from that disc, and then inserted disc 1 when it asked me to. This option worked out just fine. Let me know if you have any other questions I can verify the filename and location. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Mon Nov 22 15:48:22 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:48:22 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <002b01c4d0aa$148ba3d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002b01c4d0aa$148ba3d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1101138502.3920.5.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 16:43, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > My CD's didn't boot either. Neither did mine. I'm downloading the original FC3 disk1 right now, and are trying to boot from that. Details follows! -- Henning Wangerin -- Henning Wangerin From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 22 15:53:31 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:53:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #2 In-Reply-To: <41A101BE.1090707@netscape.net> Message-ID: <002c01c4d0ab$6a633c90$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I just burned your new set & same issue the first CD doesn't boot > although it checks out ... suggestions please I posted this to a different thread I think. But I just burned the boot.iso (I think that was the name) from inside the images directory on disc 1 to another CD. Then used that cd to boot until it asked me for disc 1. It worked perfect. Also give you a handy boot CD for choosing http, cd, ftp, etc for where to install from. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 22 16:04:51 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:04:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 problems Message-ID: <002d01c4d0ac$ffb57190$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> So far the first thing I noticed is that when I use the display manager to enable dual head for a second monitor, then select the monitor type, I am unable to click OK to close the window. The OK button works until I choose a monitor. Second problem is one I have had with Fedore Core 1 as well. My test server since the release of Fedora is unable to get external network access. I have tried 4 known working NIC's and cannot get a DHCP address from the outside network. I load 3.1.2 and everything is fine, I load any Fedora release and it doesn't work. It detects the cards right but won't get a DHCP address. If is configure statics the cards will at least become active but I cannot ping any farther than the local interface. It must just be a motherboard incompatibility. The motherboard is a DVD266u-RN from iWill. Or maybe it is conflicting with another device in the PCI bus. I have tried using the onboard, and PCI cards in 3 different slots but still no luck. I have tried 3COM, Netgear, Rhine, and Intel cards. I am starting to think I am just screwed with the motherboard and Fedora. If anyone has had a similar situation and a possible solution let me know. I hate to have to run Windows on this box because Linux no longer works (especially since my only problem is getting to the internet). I am going to try a reinstallation with out the ltsp stuff loaded and see if a base install works. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From k12osn at collinsoft.com Mon Nov 22 16:31:29 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:31:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: <20041112203537.GA25845@sonic.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 12:16:33AM -0500, Jason wrote: > > I wonder what they would say if they found out that the two high schools > > that have Macs which have OSX which are based on Linux? > > Well, they're based on BSD, kinda, not Linux. But yeah, a lot of the > Mac is based on Open Source stuff these days. (Safari is based on KHTML, > which is the rendering engine developed for the Konqueror web browser!) > > Macs are nice and all, but damned if they aren't /expensive/. I'm shocked > that schools, what with their tiny budgets these days, are still using them. You'd be surprised at the price we buy them. New eMacs are $650. They're pretty nice machines and have everything built in (they even include av-out. A $12 connector and I can plug the eMac into the classroom TV). We have a standard image and can have a machine on the network and ready to go in about 15 minutes. Macs last forever, I have them on a 5 year replacement plan, and still have machines in place 6 or 7 years going strong. OS X Server licenses are $500 for unlimited connections. I'd would probably move to Linux for file servers if Apple hadn't made the tools for server and user management so good. We have an unprecedented amount of control over what our users can and cannot do, managed either by machine, group or individual user. The time saved more than makes up for the $500 every 2 or three years. But, as always, use the right tool for the job! That's why our business application/keyboarding lab at the HS is a LTSP lab. :-) I have no idea why so many people are hellbent on Windows, and will not even look at an alternative. I've been slowly moving most of our software to OSS (Firefox and OpenOffice.org mainly), and try to look for web based solutions for individual software needs. For the elementary there are a ton of Flash sites that mimic most of the Jumpstart/Reader Rabbit stuff, and I don't have to worry about licensing or installation. OT: We had a girl graduate last year from our high school who got a job (over people with associate degrees from tech schools) specifically because she had Mac experience and knew html. Teach students the tool, not the machine. We don't teach students to only drive one manufacturer of car, so why should the computer be different? -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 22 16:18:01 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:18:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #2 In-Reply-To: <002c01c4d0ab$6a633c90$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002c01c4d0ab$6a633c90$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1101140281.18177.9.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 09:53 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I just burned your new set & same issue the first CD doesn't boot > > although it checks out ... suggestions please > > I posted this to a different thread I think. But I just burned the > boot.iso (I think that was the name) from inside the images directory on > disc 1 to another CD. Then used that cd to boot until it asked me for > disc 1. It worked perfect. Also give you a handy boot CD for choosing > http, cd, ftp, etc for where to install from. Nobert replied to me privately that this worked for him as well. I'll start testing different hardware around the shop in hopes that I can repeat the problem. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Scott Belford wrote: > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word processing. Same > > with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation > > software. I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft products; > > they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and can't--hire them. > > I do, however, address the job preparation role of schools. One of my > 'objections' slides is that everyone uses Microsoft, so it would be > irresponsible to use anything but in the schools. I overcome this > objection by stating When I was in school WordPerfect and Lotus were the dominant applications. No one would have ever believed that they could be toppled, and so you had to learn them. We know how that turned out.... I installed LTSP in our business/keyboarding lab when it came time to upgrade the Win95 w/MSOffice 97 (Pentium II with 32 MB of RAM). I put LTSP and OpenOffice.org with an XP them and told them that I've upgraded their machines. The differences between MSOffice 97/2000 and Office XP are much different from the differences between MSOffice 97/2000 and OpenOffice.org. Most word processing doesn't get past tabs and tables. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Mon Nov 22 16:40:00 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:40:00 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Another way to access the floppy drive??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411221640.iAMGeA6V029765@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> I finally got Mtools to work! But that only allows students to access the floppy drive via the Mtools utility. Is it possible to access the floppy drive when in OpenOffice apps? Thanks! Wilson From k12osn at collinsoft.com Mon Nov 22 16:55:25 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:55:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 4.2.0 alpha build In-Reply-To: <1100274817.24551.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 08:37, Shawn Powers wrote: > I've always thought that pine had the worst user interface that it > would be possible to design so I'm curious about why anyone would > like it - or even use it if given a choice. But these days the way > to handle mail is on an imap server with a GUI client program > (thunderbird, evolution, kmail, balsa, etc.) running locally from one > or more locations. You don't have to telnet to the server even if > you like to move things around in different server-side folders. I love using Pine, in fact, I'm using right now with imap. I can sort the messages into threads just like Thunderbird and try to catch up with this list :-). Once you learn all the keys it's a breeze to use (although I sometimes mess up and use the keys from tin....) Plus I like how I can use it anywhere I can get a ssh connections, and it's really snappy even on dial up. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Nov 22 16:46:58 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:46:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 113 In-Reply-To: <20041122153939.DD881731FA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041122153939.DD881731FA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101142018.26465.8.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:22 -0500 > From: Shawn Powers > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 95 > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <41A1FDDA.6090803 at inlandlakes.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > John Baillie wrote: > > the other two for a total of 5GB. > > If this is for the windows server, be aware windows will only address > 4GB of RAM. > > Also, while "really cool" -- I've had issues with using the single > application mode of terminal services. At least I've had a problem with > offering BOTH single application AND full windows session option... I > have solved much of it by configuring windows to kill any disconnected > sessions immediately after disconnect, otherwise I get messages about > "file already open" or "application cannot start" etc, etc. > > Good luck! > -Shawn Thanks Shawn. Your timing couldn't have been any better. John From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Nov 22 17:04:46 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:04:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 114 In-Reply-To: <20041122164147.50B1673302@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041122164147.50B1673302@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41A21C2E.20305@saskforestcentre.ca> Have you tried adding "acpi=off" to the kernel command line? I had much the same problem, and was able to deal with it by using acpi=off. It was a particular laptop with some issues... The 2.6 kernel (FC2+) manifested similar issues to yours- network card shows up, but does not successfully DHCP. It's worth a try. Angus Carr. > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 > 10:04:51 -0600 From: "Jim Kronebusch" Subject: > [K12OSN] 4.2 problems To: Message-ID: > <002d01c4d0ac$ffb57190$fb99060a at winonacotter.org> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >Second problem is one I have had with Fedore Core 1 as well. My test >server since the release of Fedora is unable to get external network >access. I have tried 4 known working NIC's and cannot get a DHCP >address from the outside network. I load 3.1.2 and everything is fine, >I load any Fedora release and it doesn't work. It detects the cards >right but won't get a DHCP address. If is configure statics the cards >will at least become active but I cannot ping any farther than the local >interface. It must just be a motherboard incompatibility. The >motherboard is a DVD266u-RN from iWill. Or maybe it is conflicting with >another device in the PCI bus. I have tried using the onboard, and PCI >cards in 3 different slots but still no luck. I have tried 3COM, >Netgear, Rhine, and Intel cards. I am starting to think I am just >screwed with the motherboard and Fedora. If anyone has had a similar >situation and a possible solution let me know. I hate to have to run >Windows on this box because Linux no longer works (especially since my >only problem is getting to the internet). I am going to try a >reinstallation with out the ltsp stuff loaded and see if a base install >works. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 22 17:26:09 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:26:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 114 In-Reply-To: <41A21C2E.20305@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <003f01c4d0b8$5b50fa50$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Have you tried adding "acpi=off" to the kernel command line? I would love to give that a shot if you could just quick tell me how. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 22 17:50:09 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:50:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 114 In-Reply-To: <003f01c4d0b8$5b50fa50$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <004501c4d0bb$b5b02c20$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > > Have you tried adding "acpi=off" to the kernel command line? > > I would love to give that a shot if you could just quick tell me how. I quick typed acpi=off at the terminal, it didn't say or do anything other than accept the command and return to the command line. The internet still didn't work. Let me know if there is something else I should do. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Mon Nov 22 17:49:03 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:49:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Refining the script....more help? *please?* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You may want to use rsync rather than cp. rsync will only copy items that need copying. rsync -av fromhere tothere use the --delete option to get rid of files that are no longer in the original directory. -Frank David Trask wrote: > The script I need hellp with is below. My latest hurdle....this script > works great (the first time)...if I try to run it again it pauses for > every file to ask my if I want to overwrite it. I'd like to be able to > run it every now and then to copy my users files from their Windows > profile to their home directory to preserve the data and back it up. How > can I run it and have it overwrite no matter what or at least have it > replace if the file being copied is newer? I'd hate to have to keep my > finger on the "y" key the whole time ;-) Any ideas welcomed..... > > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Doing $x ..." > mkdir /home/${x}/win-backup > chown ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup > > echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ > /home/${x}/win-backup" > cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup > > echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup" > cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup > > echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup" > cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup > > chown -R ${x}.Users /home/${x}/win-backup > > done > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nbs at sonic.net Mon Nov 22 18:21:09 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:21:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux cut off In-Reply-To: References: <20041119200808.GA23895@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20041122182109.GG26950@sonic.net> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 11:39:38AM -0500, k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: > > No mention of your Atari? :-) Heh, _fine_. Many will be surprised (or, seeing my line-up of OSS games, maybe not!) that I went through getting a CS degree in college with only an Atari (and, well, also an IBM PS/2 from around the same era!) I used the school's Unix systems and Macs for classes and my own stuff, and used the PC to both dial in to the Unix server from home, as well as act as the disk drive for my Atari. And I wrote games and did other 'interesting stuff' (like graphics coding) as best I could on the Atari. So even when Win95 was the 'big new thing,' I steered clear from Wintel ;) We're getting pretty OT here. Sorry ;) -bill! From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Nov 22 18:51:03 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:51:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 114 In-Reply-To: <004501c4d0bb$b5b02c20$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004501c4d0bb$b5b02c20$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41A23517.8070300@saskforestcentre.ca> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>>Have you tried adding "acpi=off" to the kernel command line? >>> >>> >>I would love to give that a shot if you could just quick tell me how. >> >> > >I quick typed acpi=off at the terminal, it didn't say or do anything >other than accept the command and return to the command line. The >internet still didn't work. Let me know if there is something else I >should do. > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 > > > > > Either edit /etc/grub.conf and add it in there. If you prefer, as a temporary measure (for testing) grub allows you to choose to add kernel parameters.when booting. That's the easy way to test it. It's pretty straightforward, once you know that it can be done. I don't have a better reference right now than "It can be done, and grub is the place to do it." Angus Carr. From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Nov 22 18:53:07 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:53:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1101138502.3920.5.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> References: <002b01c4d0aa$148ba3d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1101138502.3920.5.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> Message-ID: <41A23593.4080309@netscape.net> Hi, There does seem to be a problem booting with the first CD, hence so as to not overload Eric I suggest burning the iso image from the first CD onto another to make a boot CD. i.e. from the /images directory use the file "boot.iso" and burn onto a blank CD, next boot the computer with that CD & follow the instructions This works ! norbert mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk wrote: >On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 16:43, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>My CD's didn't boot either. >> >> > >Neither did mine. I'm downloading the original FC3 disk1 right now, and >are trying to boot from that. > >Details follows! > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 22 19:08:28 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:08:28 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [K12OSN] vncreflector Message-ID: <16434552.1101150508525.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Okay. I am working in David Trask's howto updated by Robert Arkiletian in Robert's email on 11/19: I downloaded and untarred the vnc_reflector-1.2.4.tar.gz file cd vnc_reflector then ran make and got all of these error messages: [root at computer-room root]# tar -xzvf vnc_reflector-1.2.4.tar.gz vnc_reflector/ vnc_reflector/LICENSE vnc_reflector/Makefile vnc_reflector/README vnc_reflector/actions.c vnc_reflector/active.c vnc_reflector/async_io.c vnc_reflector/async_io.h vnc_reflector/client_io.c vnc_reflector/client_io.h vnc_reflector/control.c vnc_reflector/d3des.c vnc_reflector/d3des.h vnc_reflector/decode_hextile.c vnc_reflector/decode_tight.c vnc_reflector/encode.c vnc_reflector/encode.h vnc_reflector/encode_tight.c vnc_reflector/fbs_files.c vnc_reflector/host_connect.c vnc_reflector/host_connect.h vnc_reflector/host_io.c vnc_reflector/host_io.h vnc_reflector/logging.c vnc_reflector/logging.h vnc_reflector/main.c vnc_reflector/reflector.h vnc_reflector/region.c vnc_reflector/region.h vnc_reflector/region_more.c vnc_reflector/rfblib.c vnc_reflector/rfblib.h vnc_reflector/translate.c vnc_reflector/translate.h vnc_reflector/ChangeLog [root at computer-room root]# cd vnc_reflector [root at computer-room vnc_reflector]# make gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c main.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c logging.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c active.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c actions.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c host_connect.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c d3des.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c rfblib.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c async_io.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c host_io.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c client_io.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c encode.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c region.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c translate.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c control.c gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c encode_tight.c encode_tight.c:23:21: jpeglib.h: No such file or directory encode_tight.c:148: error: syntax error before "cinfo" encode_tight.c:149: error: syntax error before "JpegEmptyOutputBuffer" encode_tight.c:149: error: syntax error before "cinfo" encode_tight.c:149: warning: data definition has no type or storage class encode_tight.c:150: error: syntax error before "cinfo" encode_tight.c:151: error: syntax error before "cinfo" encode_tight.c: In function `SendJpegRect': encode_tight.c:1188: error: storage size of `cinfo' isn't known encode_tight.c:1189: error: storage size of `jerr' isn't known encode_tight.c:1191: error: `JSAMPROW' undeclared (first use in this function) encode_tight.c:1191: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once encode_tight.c:1191: error: for each function it appears in.) encode_tight.c:1191: error: syntax error before "rowPointer" encode_tight.c:1198: error: `rowPointer' undeclared (first use in this function)encode_tight.c:1206: error: `JCS_RGB' undeclared (first use in this function) encode_tight.c: At top level: encode_tight.c:1258: error: syntax error before "cinfo" encode_tight.c: In function `JpegInitDestination': encode_tight.c:1261: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' encode_tight.c:1261: error: `JOCTET' undeclared (first use in this function) encode_tight.c:1261: error: syntax error before ')' token encode_tight.c:1262: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' encode_tight.c: At top level: encode_tight.c:1266: error: syntax error before "JpegEmptyOutputBuffer" encode_tight.c:1266: error: syntax error before "cinfo" encode_tight.c: In function `JpegEmptyOutputBuffer': encode_tight.c:1269: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' encode_tight.c:1269: error: `JOCTET' undeclared (first use in this function) encode_tight.c:1269: error: syntax error before ')' token encode_tight.c:1270: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' encode_tight.c: At top level: encode_tight.c:1276: error: syntax error before "cinfo" encode_tight.c: In function `JpegTermDestination': encode_tight.c:1278: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' encode_tight.c: At top level: encode_tight.c:1282: error: syntax error before "cinfo" encode_tight.c: In function `JpegSetDstManager': encode_tight.c:1284: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' encode_tight.c:1285: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' encode_tight.c:1286: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' encode_tight.c:1287: error: `cinfo' undeclared (first use in this function) encode_tight.c: At top level: encode_tight.c:1180: error: storage size of `jpegDstManager' isn't known make: *** [encode_tight.o] Error 1 I am working in the home dir of root and from my understanding once the executable file is successfully created using make then it is copied to a directory which is made in the steps following. However, I am stuck here. I wondered about dependencies, and both libjpeg and zlib are installed and up to date. Thanks for any help. Rita Gibson RMSEL Tech Support Rita Gibson\r\nrgibson57 at earthlink.net From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 22 19:08:37 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:08:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT:webcam software? Message-ID: <41A23935.9070407@maltzen.net> This is off-topic: What are people using for webcam software? Eric, what did you use at the last conference where you setup a webcam to update pics on a website once per minute (if I recall correctly?) I've got a neighbor who wants to put a camera and computer at his cabin up at the lake (everyone has a cabin 'up north' in Minnesota) to point out the window to take pictures of the weather, and then post them to a web server, preferably on that same machine, which he can then view from him regular home via the internet, just as a way to keep an eye on things (the computer up north would have to have some sort of always-on connection, or send the pics to some other accessible server--I haven't worked that part out yet). Petre From les at futuresource.com Mon Nov 22 19:27:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:27:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] vncreflector In-Reply-To: <16434552.1101150508525.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <16434552.1101150508525.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1101151668.13558.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 13:08, Rita Gibson wrote: > I wondered about dependencies, and both libjpeg and zlib are installed > and up to date. Those are all you need to link against the libraries, but if you are going to compile code you need the -devel packages to get the header files. Try yum install libjpeg-devel zlib-devel ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 19:21:34 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:21:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560411220144292127c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <1101025217.3737.52.camel@server.ltsp> <1101071162.10184.21.camel@server.ltsp> <9bd317560411220144292127c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175604112211211502f867@mail.gmail.com> By the way, I burned the image with nero on XP at my top speed 20x. On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:44:37 -0500, Ascension Tech wrote: > Hey Eric, > This is awesome! I am having some sound trouble though. It works once > on the terminals once but after restarting the the > application(gcompris) again it doesn't work. I'm using esd. I'm > running 4.2-beta2 by the way. And also once and awhile I get a > "Failed to mount root directory via NFS" error during boot. What'd ya > think? > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:06:02 +0100, Gustav Kramer wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 16:59, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Gustav Kramer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Is there an rsync command that can be used? I tried > > > > > > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::4.2.0/iso/ . > > > > > > > > but got @ERROR: Unknown module '4.2.0'. > > > > > > > > I d/l the alphas last week and would like to save us both a bit of > > > > bandwidth. > > > > > > This will work for right now: > > > > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . > > > > > > but I should have a new set of ISOs uploaded within the next > > > hour or so... > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > I'm rsyncing beta2 as I write this. In the meantime the only things I > > found with the alpha (in the limited testing I had time for) were sound > > issues and getting acrobat. > > > > Sound: > > > > nasd doesn't seem to work > > esd works with xmms but not with realplayer. With Realplayer 8 > > I was able to set which sound driver to use (native/oss/esd) on the > > performance tab of the preference window. With Realplayer 10 that > > option seems to be missing. I'm wondering if setting up the transport > > under GStreamer might help? I seem to remember having to do that for > > Rhythmbox. > > > > Acrobat: > > > > The first couple of times I tried the install script it choked on > > "Testing package set/Solving RPM interdependancies". On the third > > attempt, or perhaps the fourth, it completed the task and installed the > > reader. > > > > Other than that the install went well. I will install beta2 and report > > any changes to these two problems. > > > > - gustav > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Nov 22 19:46:24 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:46:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 114 Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A44@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Angus Carr >> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 1:51 PM >> >> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >> >>>Have you tried adding "acpi=off" to the kernel command line? >> >>> >> >>I would love to give that a shot if you could just quick tell me how. >> > >> >I quick typed acpi=off at the terminal, it didn't say or do anything >> >other than accept the command and return to the command line. The >> >internet still didn't work. Let me know if there is something else I >> >should do. >> > >> Either edit /etc/grub.conf and add it in there. >> If you prefer, as a temporary measure (for testing) grub allows >> you to choose to add kernel parameters.when booting. That's the >> easy way to test it. It's pretty straightforward, once you know >> that it can be done. >> >> I don't have a better reference right now than "It can be done, >> and grub is the place to do it." Specifically, boot your computer. When you get the grub screen (that lets you select what to boot), hit an arrow key. That will stop the automatic boot from happening. Then, you have time to read what's on the screen there. You can then press "e" to edit the various grub boot commands or "a" to specify kernel arguments (which is probably what you want to use for testing). -- Henry From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 22 19:55:20 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:55:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <9bd3175604112211211502f867@mail.gmail.com> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <1101025217.3737.52.camel@server.ltsp> <1101071162.10184.21.camel@server.ltsp> <9bd317560411220144292127c6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175604112211211502f867@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1101153320.18177.29.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:21 -0500, Ascension Tech wrote: > By the way, I burned the image with nero on XP at my top speed 20x. Is everyone who is having a problem using nero on XP? So far I've tested a dozen machines and none of them have had a problem. -Eric > > > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:44:37 -0500, Ascension Tech > wrote: > > Hey Eric, > > This is awesome! I am having some sound trouble though. It works once > > on the terminals once but after restarting the the > > application(gcompris) again it doesn't work. I'm using esd. I'm > > running 4.2-beta2 by the way. And also once and awhile I get a > > "Failed to mount root directory via NFS" error during boot. What'd ya > > think? > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:06:02 +0100, Gustav Kramer wrote: > > > On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 16:59, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Gustav Kramer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there an rsync command that can be used? I tried > > > > > > > > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::4.2.0/iso/ . > > > > > > > > > > but got @ERROR: Unknown module '4.2.0'. > > > > > > > > > > I d/l the alphas last week and would like to save us both a bit of > > > > > bandwidth. > > > > > > > > This will work for right now: > > > > > > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . > > > > > > > > but I should have a new set of ISOs uploaded within the next > > > > hour or so... > > > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > > > I'm rsyncing beta2 as I write this. In the meantime the only things I > > > found with the alpha (in the limited testing I had time for) were sound > > > issues and getting acrobat. > > > > > > Sound: > > > > > > nasd doesn't seem to work > > > esd works with xmms but not with realplayer. With Realplayer 8 > > > I was able to set which sound driver to use (native/oss/esd) on the > > > performance tab of the preference window. With Realplayer 10 that > > > option seems to be missing. I'm wondering if setting up the transport > > > under GStreamer might help? I seem to remember having to do that for > > > Rhythmbox. > > > > > > Acrobat: > > > > > > The first couple of times I tried the install script it choked on > > > "Testing package set/Solving RPM interdependancies". On the third > > > attempt, or perhaps the fourth, it completed the task and installed the > > > reader. > > > > > > Other than that the install went well. I will install beta2 and report > > > any changes to these two problems. > > > > > > - gustav > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 22 20:24:56 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:24:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 114 In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A44@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <005e01c4d0d1$54fc4e20$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Specifically, boot your computer. When you get the grub > screen (that lets you select what to boot), hit an arrow key. > That will stop the > automatic boot from happening. Then, you have time to read > what's on the screen there. You can then press "e" to edit > the various grub boot commands or "a" to specify kernel > arguments (which is probably what you want to use for testing). I think that fixed things. Finally. I have been trying to get Fedora to work forever on this box with no luck. Now I can get my home network switched completely to LTSP! Thank for the help guys. Are there any consequences or trade offs when turning acpi off? Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 22 20:22:45 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:22:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <005d01c4d0d1$1b941b90$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005d01c4d0d1$1b941b90$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41A24A95.8020402@cfl.rr.com> I have never had better luck burning CD's than with K3B, whether it be on a Debian/KDE/Knoppix based box, or Fedora with default Gnome. K3B rocks and burns ISO's from across the network (SMB share), not something I can say for any of my windows burners. My two cents, lol BC Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Is everyone who is having a problem using nero on XP? >> >> > >I also used Nero on Windows 2000 Workstation. I suppose if I would get >my crap together and go all Linux I wouldn't have these problems :-) > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 > > > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 22 20:26:25 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:26:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <005d01c4d0d1$1b941b90$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005d01c4d0d1$1b941b90$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1101155185.18177.36.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:23 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Is everyone who is having a problem using nero on XP? > > I also used Nero on Windows 2000 Workstation. Okay then, is *anyone* who is having trouble booting the K12LTSP 4.2.0 CDs that were burned with something other than Nero? I'll see if I can scrounge up a windows box with a burner in it... > I suppose if I would get > my crap together and go all Linux I wouldn't have these problems :-) ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do you have or can you point me to a > good How-To on installing it on a Fedora (or even a K12LTSP) box? I'm > running K12LTSP 4.1 with FC2. The on-line docs are pretty good - it is just a perl script that needs a few other modules. Perl has it's own CPAN installer that will do the grunge work easier than the several-step download process they describe. You can just" perl -MCPAN -eshell (at the prompt): install Compress::Zlib Archive::Zip File::RsyncP The only RH/fedora quirks are that you need to be sure you have the perl-suidperl package installed and follow the instructions in the init.d/README file to copy linux-backuppc to /etc/init.d/backuppc and do the chkconfig operations to make it start at bootup. Ignore the part about using mod_perl because you really won't use the web interface that much once it starts doing everything automatically and mod_perl can't run suid programs so it is harder to set up. > I need the total how-to....including any > other stuff I need to install such as rsync or whatever. Usually everything else you need is already installed on the clients. A possible exception is if you want to do windows clients over a low-bandwidth connection. Then you would drop in the windows version of rsync. > Or can I do > simple NFS backups? How does it deal with RAID setups? I've got 4 drives > with varying RAID 1 and 0 paritions and devices. Will it preserve all > that? It will give you back a tar image with the right command line invocation which means you can get one delivered over the network via ssh. It is up to you to have prepared a suitable filesystem for extraction and the raid underneath that is irrelevant (but you can do those things with a knoppix CD or fedora install CD in rescue mode). > I simply want to restore with a few clicks should I ever need > disaster recovery. I wish it could be as easy as backing up and SME > server :-) If you can the procedure beyond the tar image you have to plan your disasters carefully so you have exactly the same hardware to re-install on afterwords, including the same size drives and same raid controllers. You can restore the tar image to anything you want, although if the disk controllers are drastically different you might have to do some extra work to make it boot. For the more common and less drastic situation where someone accidentally deletes or overwrites a file or directory and doesn't notice for a few days, it will be just a few clicks to put it back. Or if you screw up a config file edit and want to see what it looked like yesterday, you can view it from the web interface. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 22 20:59:30 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:59:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1101155185.18177.36.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <005d01c4d0d1$1b941b90$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1101155185.18177.36.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1101157171.18177.39.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 12:26 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:23 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Is everyone who is having a problem using nero on XP? > > > > I also used Nero on Windows 2000 Workstation. > > Okay then, is *anyone* who is having trouble booting the K12LTSP 4.2.0 > CDs that were burned with something other than Nero? > > > I'll see if I can scrounge up a windows box with a burner in it... 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Nope I'm using xcdroast from K12 4.0.1 -- Henning Wangerin From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 22 21:09:47 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:09:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1101157505.4470.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <1101025217.3737.52.camel@server.ltsp> <1101071162.10184.21.camel@server.ltsp> <9bd317560411220144292127c6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175604112211211502f867@mail.gmail.com> <1101153320.18177.29.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <1101157505.4470.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1101157787.18177.43.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 22:05 +0100, Henning Wangerin wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 20:55, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:21 -0500, Ascension Tech wrote: > > > By the way, I burned the image with nero on XP at my top speed 20x. > > > > Is everyone who is having a problem using nero on XP? > > Nope I'm using xcdroast from K12 4.0.1 > So much for that theory ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ironically buring the "boot.iso with NERO works fine ???? norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:21 -0500, Ascension Tech wrote: > > >>By the way, I burned the image with nero on XP at my top speed 20x. >> >> > >Is everyone who is having a problem using nero on XP? > >So far I've tested a dozen machines and none of them have had a problem. > >-Eric > > > >>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:44:37 -0500, Ascension Tech >> wrote: >> >> >>>Hey Eric, >>>This is awesome! I am having some sound trouble though. It works once >>>on the terminals once but after restarting the the >>>application(gcompris) again it doesn't work. I'm using esd. I'm >>>running 4.2-beta2 by the way. And also once and awhile I get a >>>"Failed to mount root directory via NFS" error during boot. What'd ya >>>think? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:06:02 +0100, Gustav Kramer wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 16:59, Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Gustav Kramer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Is there an rsync command that can be used? I tried >>>>>> >>>>>>rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::4.2.0/iso/ . >>>>>> >>>>>>but got @ERROR: Unknown module '4.2.0'. >>>>>> >>>>>>I d/l the alphas last week and would like to save us both a bit of >>>>>>bandwidth. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>This will work for right now: >>>>> >>>>> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . >>>>> >>>>>but I should have a new set of ISOs uploaded within the next >>>>>hour or so... >>>>> >>>>>-Eric >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I'm rsyncing beta2 as I write this. In the meantime the only things I >>>>found with the alpha (in the limited testing I had time for) were sound >>>>issues and getting acrobat. >>>> >>>>Sound: >>>> >>>>nasd doesn't seem to work >>>>esd works with xmms but not with realplayer. With Realplayer 8 >>>>I was able to set which sound driver to use (native/oss/esd) on the >>>>performance tab of the preference window. With Realplayer 10 that >>>>option seems to be missing. I'm wondering if setting up the transport >>>>under GStreamer might help? I seem to remember having to do that for >>>>Rhythmbox. >>>> >>>>Acrobat: >>>> >>>>The first couple of times I tried the install script it choked on >>>>"Testing package set/Solving RPM interdependancies". On the third >>>>attempt, or perhaps the fourth, it completed the task and installed the >>>>reader. >>>> >>>>Other than that the install went well. I will install beta2 and report >>>>any changes to these two problems. >>>> >>>>- gustav >>>> >>>> >>>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Nov 22 21:36:05 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:36:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <20041122202652.010C47374A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041122202652.010C47374A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101159364.27952.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> FWIW - I haven't tried burning beta2 on a windows box but cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 K12LTSP-4.2.0-beta2-disc1.iso produced a bootable CD for me. John From gj.kramer at planet.nl Mon Nov 22 21:43:11 2004 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav Kramer) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:43:11 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 2 - apt/acrobat/sound Message-ID: <1101159791.12022.38.camel@server.ltsp> I did a network install of Beta 2 using the iso from the image directory so I can't comment on the CD1 not booting issue. Overall it seems quicker than previous versions but I still had issues with apt, installing acrobat reader and sound. apt I was going to install some extra software using synaptic but it complained that there were 6 broken packages. I switched to the console and ran apt-get update. No problems. I then ran apt-get upgrade and got the following error: apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: atomix: Depends: liblinc.so.1 but it is not installable celestia: Depends: libgtkgl.so.5 but it is not installable k12ltsp-core: Depends: caching-nameserver-ltsp but it is not installable k12ltsp-utils: Depends: mlterm but it is not installable Depends: perl-perl-ldap but it is not installable tuxpaint-config: Depends: fltk but it is not installable E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. I didn't really like seeing the k12ltsp packages there but I ran apt-get -f install anyways with the following results: [root at thinkpad mnt]# apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: atomix (0.9.4-1.k12ltsp.0.3.1) celestia (0:1.3.0-0.fdr.4.1) k12ltsp-core (4.2.0-1) k12ltsp-education (4.2.0-1) k12ltsp-utils (4.2.0-1) tuxpaint-config (1:0.0.5-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2) 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 6 removed and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 22.7MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] I declined in case there was something you would like me to check. If there is something to be learned from saying yes, let me know and I'll give it a shot. Installing Acrobat Reader Over the course of the evening yesterday and again this evening (I'm a few hours ahead of most of you) I tried to run the install script. Invariably it choked on "Testing package set/Solving RPM interdependancies". A couple of times I tried to stare it down and let it sit there for as much as 20 minutes. Then without doing anything different, it worked! It got through the testing package stage lickity spit, chewed on downloading the acrobat files and the other files needed to satisfy dependencies for quite a while but in the end it finished the installation. Sound: I have no luck at all with nasd. How would I check to see if the daemon is running on the server. Using esd I have some success. Rhythmbox works after setting up the preference for gstreamer, but Realplayer 10 gives me nothing but a dialogue box telling me that it "Can not open the audio device. Another application may be using it" In the past there was a preference setting that allowed you to choose esd rather than oss but that choice no longer seems to exist. Flash is also silent. FWIW the video parts of both Realplayer and Flash seen to work fine. If there is anything you would like me to try let me know. - gustav From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 22 21:48:46 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:48:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1101157171.18177.39.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <007e01c4d0dd$0acf63d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I found a w2k box with a burner in it, installed nero 6.6 > demo version and it worked fine. I just checked my version and it is 6.0.0.15. Maybe there is a fix in the newer version. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Mon Nov 22 22:04:00 2004 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:04:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 2 - apt/acrobat/sound In-Reply-To: <1101159791.12022.38.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1101159791.12022.38.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20041122170400.198aba9c.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:43:11 +0100 Gustav Kramer wrote: [snip] > > > Sound: > > I have no luck at all with nasd. How would I check to see if the daemon > is running on the server. > > Using esd I have some success. Rhythmbox works after setting up the > preference for gstreamer, but Realplayer 10 gives me nothing but a > dialogue box telling me that it "Can not open the audio device. Another > application may be using it" In the past there was a preference setting > that allowed you to choose esd rather than oss but that choice no longer > seems to exist. Flash is also silent. FWIW the video parts of both > Realplayer and Flash seen to work fine. > > Gustav, Did you check the permissions on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer. I've seen the Realplayer error you are getting when the user didn't have rw access to /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer. As root, chmod a+rw /dev/dsp /dev/mixer should get things working. The removal of esd and oss as output options occurred when Realplayer released Realplayer 10. Apparently, compiling the latest and greatest realplayer with esd support is problematic. So, if you need realplayer on the clients you'll need to use an earlier version. Jesse McDonnell > From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Mon Nov 22 22:08:18 2004 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:08:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 2 - apt/acrobat/sound In-Reply-To: <1101159791.12022.38.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1101159791.12022.38.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20041122170818.68c1f149.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:43:11 +0100 Gustav Kramer wrote: [big snip] > Sound: > > I have no luck at all with nasd. How would I check to see if the daemon > is running on the server. > > Using esd I have some success. Rhythmbox works after setting up the > preference for gstreamer, but Realplayer 10 gives me nothing but a > dialogue box telling me that it "Can not open the audio device. Another > application may be using it" In the past there was a preference setting > that allowed you to choose esd rather than oss but that choice no longer > seems to exist. Flash is also silent. FWIW the video parts of both > Realplayer and Flash seen to work fine. > Gustav, Did you check the permissions on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer. I've seen the Realplayer error you are getting when the user didn't have rw access to /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer. As root, chmod a+rw /dev/dsp /dev/mixer - should get things working. The removal of esd and oss as output options occurred when Realplayer released Realplayer 10. Apparently, compiling the latest and greatest realplayer with esd support is problematic. So, if you need realplayer on the clients you'll need to use an earlier version. Jesse McDonnell From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Mon Nov 22 22:55:00 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:55:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1101157787.18177.43.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <1101025217.3737.52.camel@server.ltsp> <1101071162.10184.21.camel@server.ltsp> <9bd317560411220144292127c6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175604112211211502f867@mail.gmail.com> <1101153320.18177.29.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <1101157505.4470.2.camel@server.ltsp> <1101157787.18177.43.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1101164099.3989.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 22:09, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Nope I'm using xcdroast from K12 4.0.1 > So much for that theory ;-) Yeah. I've just tried to download the first FC3 disk from http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-disc1.iso and durned it to try to boot on it. It worked - well I didn't do an install, but the installer go started, and I went al the way until the "point-of-no-return" HTH -- Henning Wangerin From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Nov 23 00:19:16 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:19:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Load average above 10? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A28204.4010307@cmosnetworks.com> k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: >I just put K12LTSP 4.1.1 on my Dell 6500. It has 4 Pentium III Xeon >processors, 4GB of RAM, and 2 18GB 15000 rpm SCSI drives. Should I be >concerned that the load is going over 10? If I do a top it shows that each >processor is maybe at 5% utilization. Homes for the users are mounted over >NFS from our OS X server. The machine doesn't seem sluggish at all. > >Thanks! > > > If you've got any users at all, even just sitting there doing nothing but still logged in, then nah, I wouldn't be worried. All GNU/Linux boxes use just a little CPU at quiescence (maybe 0.5 to 0.8% per CPU), a little bit more when you run top. I've seen top take up 1% or so, depending on the speed of the CPUs and how often you tell top to sample your resource usage. Also, you've got to do some X11 protocol processing to facilitate the display of all that stuff that people are seeing (it isn't much, but it's there). What are the top CPU-using applications when you see the 5%-per-processor usage? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From robark at telus.net Tue Nov 23 02:47:13 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:47:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1101157787.18177.43.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <419D43CC.1070703@netscape.net> <1101025217.3737.52.camel@server.ltsp> <1101071162.10184.21.camel@server.ltsp> <9bd317560411220144292127c6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175604112211211502f867@mail.gmail.com> <1101153320.18177.29.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <1101157505.4470.2.camel@server.ltsp> <1101157787.18177.43.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <41A2A4B1.4030601@telus.net> Eric Harrison wrote: >On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 22:05 +0100, Henning Wangerin wrote: > > >>On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 20:55, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >>>On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:21 -0500, Ascension Tech wrote: >>> >>> >>>>By the way, I burned the image with nero on XP at my top speed 20x. >>>> >>>> >>>Is everyone who is having a problem using nero on XP? >>> >>> >>Nope I'm using xcdroast from K12 4.0.1 >> >> >> > >So much for that theory ;-) > >-Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > Eric I would bring up the issue of the actual CD media. Some cheap CD's are crap. I hope people are using quality CD's to burn the iso images. Also, if you are using newer media then sometimes the firmware of the burner needs to be flash updated for it to recognize the newer media and use the proper burning strategy. I have a suspicion this problem is not to do with you. Check this site out. http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_quality.shtml -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From robark at telus.net Tue Nov 23 03:07:52 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:07:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Thin Client boot option to a Windows box In-Reply-To: <20041122140804.GA14082@wizzy.com> References: <20041121092735.GA8141@wizzy.com> <20041122140804.GA14082@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <41A2A988.5070003@telus.net> Forgot to mention that I use Windows NT boot loader in conjunction with the wiki "how-to" to dual boot. Works like a charm. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABooting%3AClient%3ALiLo http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue36/larriera.html -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From robark at telus.net Tue Nov 23 03:27:32 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:27:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Software to do X In-Reply-To: <1101129883.8675.7.camel@phoenix.media.local> References: <20041122105125.AFA1A73A35@hormel.redhat.com> <1101129883.8675.7.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <41A2AE24.50907@telus.net> Henry Burroughs wrote: >I've had some kids playing armagetron on the Thin-clients. It works >incredibly well (lowest detail). It doesn't hit the server CPU very >much at all. If I use XDMCP to login to the server from my workstation, >armagetron actually uses my LOCAL 3d acceleration (I have the NVIDIA >drivers installed on my workstation X server). Bandwith, it is probably >making a dent.. (I have slowdows in another lab that is only connected >by 10/100 to the server... my main lab is via gigabit pipe to the >server). > >Ah, the beauty of X's client/server model... > > > Blender works fine w/ Mesa, but does chew CPU and X bandwidth > as you say. You really want that to run locally. That is true > of any 3D modelling or CAD program. > > > Wow, I haven't tried getting mesa up yet. But it sure would be nice to be able to run Blender, even if it's slow. I'll have to do a google on how to get mesa 3d up on X. Henry, can you elaborate on how the clients are able to utilize the 3d accel of the server. This sounds interesting. Does this mean that if you have a powerful 3d accel card in the server the clients could share this acceleration. I thought the clients were limited to the specs of the client video cards. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From robark at telus.net Tue Nov 23 03:52:32 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:52:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Chinese input using minichinput Message-ID: <41A2B400.60002@telus.net> A language teacher in my school asked me to see if I could get a chinese input server up. So I installed minichinput and the chinese ttfonts that come with RH9. Here is my problem. If I login to gnome with language set to simplified chinese, minichinput works with the CTRL-SPACE (the little input box comes up) but when I use IceWM (which I prefer) the input server is not started. Even, if I start it manually ($chinput) in IceWM it still is not invoked by the CTRL-SPACE. One other note: even when I use gnome I can't get OOo to work with it (the input box works but no fonts appear in OOo) although gedit works fine. And yes I have tried fiddling with the Asian support in OOo. Anyone run into this before?? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From gj.kramer at planet.nl Tue Nov 23 08:06:51 2004 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav Kramer) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:06:51 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 2 - sound (was Beta 2 - apt/acrobat/sound) In-Reply-To: <20041122170818.68c1f149.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <1101159791.12022.38.camel@server.ltsp> <20041122170818.68c1f149.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1101197211.16268.16.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 23:08, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:43:11 +0100 > Gustav Kramer wrote: > > [big snip] > > > Sound: > > > > I have no luck at all with nasd. How would I check to see if the daemon > > is running on the server. > > > > Using esd I have some success. Rhythmbox works after setting up the > > preference for gstreamer, but Realplayer 10 gives me nothing but a > > dialogue box telling me that it "Can not open the audio device. Another > > application may be using it" In the past there was a preference setting > > that allowed you to choose esd rather than oss but that choice no longer > > seems to exist. Flash is also silent. FWIW the video parts of both > > Realplayer and Flash seen to work fine. > > > Gustav, > > Did you check the permissions on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer. I've seen the > Realplayer error you are getting when the user didn't have rw access to > /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer. As root, chmod a+rw /dev/dsp /dev/mixer - should > get things working. > > The removal of esd and oss as output options occurred when Realplayer > released Realplayer 10. Apparently, compiling the latest and greatest > realplayer with esd support is problematic. So, if you need realplayer > on the clients you'll need to use an earlier version. > Thanks for the tips Jesse, unfortunately still no joy. A summary of where I stand with respect to sound: real rhythmbox flash gcompris nasd no no no no esd no yes no yes server yes yes yes yes These were all as a non-root user, before and after the suggested changes to the permissions on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer FWIW under GStreamer Preferences on a client I can only define esd as a sink while on the server I can define alsa, esd and oss as sinks but not artsd. As you pointed out I can stick with esd, remove the packaged version of Realplayer and revert to an older one but that still doesn't help with Flash. As far as nasd goes, the client reports that it loads but I have no indication on the server that it is loaded, how woud I check? Is there any advantage to using nasd vice esd? TIA for any comments or suggestions, - gustav From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 09:50:55 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:50:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] strange bug Message-ID: <9bd317560411230150111f2b41@mail.gmail.com> I noticed something really strange in 4.2 beta2. It happens when I'm logged in as the same user on multiple terminals. If i start OOwriter on one terminal and then try to open it on a second terminal, another instance of OOwriter pops up on the first terminal! Nutty huh? I do hope that one gets fixed because I don't want to have to make users for prek, K , and 1st grade. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Nov 23 12:59:55 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 06:59:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1101159364.27952.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041122202652.010C47374A@hormel.redhat.com> <1101159364.27952.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <92BD0744-3D4F-11D9-B2DF-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Did they stop using "floppy emulation mode" for the ISOs, or has that been gone for a long time? On Nov 22, 2004, at 3:36 PM, John Baillie wrote: > FWIW - > > I haven't tried burning beta2 on a windows box but > > cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 K12LTSP-4.2.0-beta2-disc1.iso > > produced a bootable CD for me. > > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkGjNEwACgkQfqZR3ThMfXS71gCfa1ageXHO57W8v+Q7x7z+G9cs EFcAn2PWaFgnUXiKEuR+ruJshvdKW3dT =49JL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Nov 23 13:38:40 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:38:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] vncreflector In-Reply-To: <16434552.1101150508525.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <16434552.1101150508525.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <41A33D60.7030606@msln.net> Rita I haven't played with the reflector files.......yet. But, I didn't see the ./configure comand run first. Pardon my newbieness if that is not required in this case. Just a thought Mark Rita Gibson wrote: >Okay. I am working in David Trask's howto updated by Robert Arkiletian in Robert's email on 11/19: > >I downloaded and untarred the vnc_reflector-1.2.4.tar.gz file > >cd vnc_reflector >then ran make and got all of these error messages: > >[root at computer-room root]# tar -xzvf vnc_reflector-1.2.4.tar.gz >vnc_reflector/ >vnc_reflector/LICENSE >vnc_reflector/Makefile >vnc_reflector/README >vnc_reflector/actions.c >vnc_reflector/active.c >vnc_reflector/async_io.c >vnc_reflector/async_io.h >vnc_reflector/client_io.c >vnc_reflector/client_io.h >vnc_reflector/control.c >vnc_reflector/d3des.c >vnc_reflector/d3des.h >vnc_reflector/decode_hextile.c >vnc_reflector/decode_tight.c >vnc_reflector/encode.c >vnc_reflector/encode.h >vnc_reflector/encode_tight.c >vnc_reflector/fbs_files.c >vnc_reflector/host_connect.c >vnc_reflector/host_connect.h >vnc_reflector/host_io.c >vnc_reflector/host_io.h >vnc_reflector/logging.c >vnc_reflector/logging.h >vnc_reflector/main.c >vnc_reflector/reflector.h >vnc_reflector/region.c >vnc_reflector/region.h >vnc_reflector/region_more.c >vnc_reflector/rfblib.c >vnc_reflector/rfblib.h >vnc_reflector/translate.c >vnc_reflector/translate.h >vnc_reflector/ChangeLog >[root at computer-room root]# cd vnc_reflector >[root at computer-room vnc_reflector]# make >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c main.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c logging.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c active.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c actions.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c host_connect.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c d3des.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c rfblib.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c async_io.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c host_io.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c client_io.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c encode.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c region.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c translate.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c control.c >gcc -O2 -I. -DUSE_POLL -c encode_tight.c >encode_tight.c:23:21: jpeglib.h: No such file or directory >encode_tight.c:148: error: syntax error before "cinfo" >encode_tight.c:149: error: syntax error before "JpegEmptyOutputBuffer" >encode_tight.c:149: error: syntax error before "cinfo" >encode_tight.c:149: warning: data definition has no type or storage class >encode_tight.c:150: error: syntax error before "cinfo" >encode_tight.c:151: error: syntax error before "cinfo" >encode_tight.c: In function `SendJpegRect': >encode_tight.c:1188: error: storage size of `cinfo' isn't known >encode_tight.c:1189: error: storage size of `jerr' isn't known >encode_tight.c:1191: error: `JSAMPROW' undeclared (first use in this function) >encode_tight.c:1191: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once >encode_tight.c:1191: error: for each function it appears in.) >encode_tight.c:1191: error: syntax error before "rowPointer" >encode_tight.c:1198: error: `rowPointer' undeclared (first use in this function)encode_tight.c:1206: error: `JCS_RGB' undeclared (first use in this function) >encode_tight.c: At top level: >encode_tight.c:1258: error: syntax error before "cinfo" >encode_tight.c: In function `JpegInitDestination': >encode_tight.c:1261: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' >encode_tight.c:1261: error: `JOCTET' undeclared (first use in this function) >encode_tight.c:1261: error: syntax error before ')' token >encode_tight.c:1262: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' >encode_tight.c: At top level: >encode_tight.c:1266: error: syntax error before "JpegEmptyOutputBuffer" >encode_tight.c:1266: error: syntax error before "cinfo" >encode_tight.c: In function `JpegEmptyOutputBuffer': >encode_tight.c:1269: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' >encode_tight.c:1269: error: `JOCTET' undeclared (first use in this function) >encode_tight.c:1269: error: syntax error before ')' token >encode_tight.c:1270: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' >encode_tight.c: At top level: >encode_tight.c:1276: error: syntax error before "cinfo" >encode_tight.c: In function `JpegTermDestination': >encode_tight.c:1278: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' >encode_tight.c: At top level: >encode_tight.c:1282: error: syntax error before "cinfo" >encode_tight.c: In function `JpegSetDstManager': >encode_tight.c:1284: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' >encode_tight.c:1285: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' >encode_tight.c:1286: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct jpeg_destination_mgr' >encode_tight.c:1287: error: `cinfo' undeclared (first use in this function) >encode_tight.c: At top level: >encode_tight.c:1180: error: storage size of `jpegDstManager' isn't known >make: *** [encode_tight.o] Error 1 > >I am working in the home dir of root and from my understanding once the executable file is successfully created using make then it is copied to a directory which is made in the steps following. However, I am stuck here. I wondered about dependencies, and both libjpeg and zlib are installed and up to date. > >Thanks for any help. > >Rita Gibson >RMSEL Tech Support > >Rita Gibson\r\nrgibson57 at earthlink.net > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Nov 23 14:10:39 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:10:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] vncreflector In-Reply-To: <1101151668.13558.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <16434552.1101150508525.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <1101151668.13558.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Just for folks future reference....I always install all the development packages when doing an initial install as they often will satisfy MANY dependencies. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Tue Nov 23 14:22:25 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:22:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: strange bug In-Reply-To: <9bd317560411230150111f2b41@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560411230150111f2b41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The happens to me with evolution as well on 4.0.1-1. People logging in on multiple terminals happens pretty rarely. Ascension Tech wrote: > I noticed something really strange in 4.2 beta2. It happens when I'm > logged in as the same user on multiple terminals. If i start OOwriter > on one terminal and then try to open it on a second terminal, another > instance of OOwriter pops up on the first terminal! Nutty huh? I do > hope that one gets fixed because I don't want to have to make users > for prek, K , and 1st grade. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From andyr at wizzy.com Tue Nov 23 14:23:41 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:23:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] strange bug In-Reply-To: <9bd317560411230150111f2b41@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560411230150111f2b41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041123142341.GJ11472@wizzy.com> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Ascension Tech wrote: > I noticed something really strange in 4.2 beta2. It happens when I'm > logged in as the same user on multiple terminals. If i start OOwriter > on one terminal and then try to open it on a second terminal, another > instance of OOwriter pops up on the first terminal! Nutty huh? I do > hope that one gets fixed because I don't want to have to make users > for prek, K , and 1st grade. Doctor, it hurts when I do this !! Don't do that, then .. Seriously, it is a feature of many progams now. Mozilla will do the same. No good way around it either. It happened in 3.x as well. You could have numbered or lettered accounts with no password - login: z Cheers, Andy! From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Nov 23 14:32:17 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:32:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Newmail App Message-ID: <41A349F1.1050905@inlandlakes.org> Anyone know of an application that could be loaded upon login that would check for new mail in Maildir folders, and then do some arbitrary thing to notify the user? It could even be as simple as a little daemon that checked for new files in a particular folder (because of Maildir) and allowed a command (esdplay, xmessage, etc) to be done if something new arrives... Anyone? The one thing I'm not looking for, is something that my users would have to set up with their email login/password to check mail. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From rfreidel at computergeex.com Tue Nov 23 14:54:09 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:54:09 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Newmail App Message-ID: <20041123.tAp.72061100@192.168.10.16> xbiff should do that for you, or gnome's mail check applet. Shawn Powers (spowers at inlandlakes.org) wrote: > > Anyone know of an application that could be loaded upon login that would > check for new mail in Maildir folders, and then do some arbitrary thing > to notify the user? > > It could even be as simple as a little daemon that checked for new files > in a particular folder (because of Maildir) and allowed a command > (esdplay, xmessage, etc) to be done if something new arrives... > > Anyone? > > The one thing I'm not looking for, is something that my users would have > to set up with their email login/password to check mail. > > -Shawn > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel This space intentionally left blank. http://leroy.homeunix.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 23 16:01:29 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:01:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] strange bug In-Reply-To: <9bd317560411230150111f2b41@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560411230150111f2b41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41A35ED9.1000802@paasda.org> this has happened on all of the 4.x.x releases that I've tested... think it's a "feature" =) --Huck Ascension Tech wrote: >I noticed something really strange in 4.2 beta2. It happens when I'm >logged in as the same user on multiple terminals. If i start OOwriter >on one terminal and then try to open it on a second terminal, another >instance of OOwriter pops up on the first terminal! Nutty huh? I do >hope that one gets fixed because I don't want to have to make users >for prek, K , and 1st grade. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From tony.hadfield at baesystems.com Tue Nov 23 15:57:32 2004 From: tony.hadfield at baesystems.com (Hadfield, Tony (UK)) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:57:32 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] New menus - Reduced application collection Message-ID: <7EB8DA226B045949A4A6B793BD145A0A0162D362@glkms0011.greenlnk.net> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: 16 November 2004 19:12 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New menus - Reduced application collection *** WARNING *** This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:24, Huck wrote: > Personally I think it should just be MUCH MUCH easier to edit a default > menu and enforce that menu among users. > D. Trask, using IceWM, touts some app for editing that WM's menus, but > I've not had the time to check it out yet. Has anyone considered a Mac-like approach where you get rid of the window-manager's menu concept completely and launch everything from the filesystem? I've never quite seen the point of having different quirky menu systems for different window managers. Why can't you toss a symlink to an 'applications' folder on the desktop and have everything work the same way? And of course the folder(s) that were the target of the symlinks could be the same for everyone, managed for groups, or ignored and the symlink replaced with an individual folder. It looks like you could set these up by simply dragging the items from the Gnome menu into the folders if you have write permission. I'm not sure how you would make the built-in menu go away, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com Les, I like the idea of getting rid of the menu system. Have you heard of the ROX project? http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/WhatIsRox ------------- Tony Hadfield ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** From robowens at myway.com Tue Nov 23 17:01:57 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:01:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] strange bug Message-ID: <20041123170157.9C19739B7@mprdmxin.myway.com> perhaps for the preK, K, and 1st grade classes you could tape a login and password to each monitor. -Rob --- On Tue 11/23, Andy Rabagliati < andyr at wizzy.com > wrote: From: Andy Rabagliati [mailto: andyr at wizzy.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:23:41 +0200 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] strange bug On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Ascension Tech wrote:

> I noticed something really strange in 4.2 beta2. It happens when I'm
> logged in as the same user on multiple terminals. If i start OOwriter
> on one terminal and then try to open it on a second terminal, another
> instance of OOwriter pops up on the first terminal! Nutty huh? I do
> hope that one gets fixed because I don't want to have to make users
> for prek, K , and 1st grade.

Doctor, it hurts when I do this !!

Don't do that, then ..

Seriously, it is a feature of many progams now. Mozilla will do the
same. No good way around it either. It happened in 3.x as well.

You could have numbered or lettered accounts with no password -

login: z

Cheers, Andy!

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Nov 23 17:31:24 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:31:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] All-in-one LCD / Thin Client? In-Reply-To: <20041123155535.94AB574883@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041123155535.94AB574883@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101231084.17252.5.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Can anyone point to an all-in-one solution for lcd / thin client? I looked at HP and Dell but I'd like another option. I'm looking for something that tucks behind the monitor for a nice clean small footprint solution for the teachers desks. John From collinsr at kentoncityschools.org Tue Nov 23 17:42:04 2004 From: collinsr at kentoncityschools.org (Ryan Collins) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:42:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Load average above 10? In-Reply-To: <41A28204.4010307@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41A28204.4010307@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: > >I just put K12LTSP 4.1.1 on my Dell 6500. It has 4 Pentium III Xeon > >processors, 4GB of RAM, and 2 18GB 15000 rpm SCSI drives. Should I be > >concerned that the load is going over 10? If I do a top it shows that each > >processor is maybe at 5% utilization. Homes for the users are mounted over > >NFS from our OS X server. The machine doesn't seem sluggish at all. > If you've got any users at all, even just sitting there doing nothing > but still logged in, then nah, I wouldn't be worried. All GNU/Linux > boxes use just a little CPU at quiescence (maybe 0.5 to 0.8% per CPU), a > little bit more when you run top. I've seen top take up 1% or so, > depending on the speed of the CPUs and how often you tell top to sample > your resource usage. Also, you've got to do some X11 protocol processing > to facilitate the display of all that stuff that people are seeing (it > isn't much, but it's there). > > What are the top CPU-using applications when you see the > 5%-per-processor usage? In this case it was Abiword, but I don't have the exact percentages right now... -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Kenton City Schools http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ From david at okgoodwill.org Tue Nov 23 17:49:58 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:49:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] All-in-one LCD / Thin Client? Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119DFA@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> I'm not sure what you're looking for, etc. But I did bookmark http://www.thinplanet.com/products/ at one time. Never got a chance to follow up on it, but some of those systems appear to be k12ltsp compatible. Regards, David H. Barr Sys / Net Admin Oklahoma Goodwill Industries 410 SW Third ST Oklahoma City, OK 73109 PH: 405.236.4451 FX: 405.232.3209 EM: david at okgoodwill.org Around Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:31 AM, John Baillie (mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org) wrote: > Can anyone point to an all-in-one solution for lcd / thin client? > > I looked at HP and Dell but I'd like another option. > > I'm looking for something that tucks behind the monitor for a nice > clean > small footprint solution for the teachers desks. > > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 23 18:24:35 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:24:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] All-in-one LCD / Thin Client? In-Reply-To: <1101231084.17252.5.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <20041123155535.94AB574883@hormel.redhat.com> <1101231084.17252.5.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <41A38063.5080103@paasda.org> http://www.affirmative.net the YEStation Mini...10 watts...uses the vesa mounting bracket for the back of LCD's... entire footprint is your LCD's base and keyboard/mouse... if you wanna pic of how it looks I'll go take one and post... if you need a great contact (well under the $400 MSRP) let me know... --Huck John Baillie wrote: >Can anyone point to an all-in-one solution for lcd / thin client? > >I looked at HP and Dell but I'd like another option. > >I'm looking for something that tucks behind the monitor for a nice clean >small footprint solution for the teachers desks. > > >John > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From stevn.bartley at ints.com Tue Nov 23 15:12:28 2004 From: stevn.bartley at ints.com (Stevn Bartley) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:12:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] All-in-one LCD / Thin Client? In-Reply-To: <1101231084.17252.5.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <20041123155535.94AB574883@hormel.redhat.com> <1101231084.17252.5.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <41A3535C.900@ints.com> John, I have been working with thin client technology for several years now and work very closely with Wyse. I have learned that the all-in-one solutions generally become a pain and a extra cost. The problem is that to get the price point of these systems down to an affordable amount, they generally use sub-standard parts which tend to fail fairly quickly. For our solutions, it is much cheaper to put a solo LCD panel with a very small footprint thin client behind the LCD. Something like the J125 from disklessworkstations.com (LTSP/K12LTSP) or the 5125SE or 5150SE from Wyse (embedded Linux). Hope that helps. Stevn Bartley System Administrator Integrated Services Inc. John Baillie wrote: > Can anyone point to an all-in-one solution for lcd / thin client? > > I looked at HP and Dell but I'd like another option. > > I'm looking for something that tucks behind the monitor for a nice clean > small footprint solution for the teachers desks. > > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 18:21:05 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:21:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Newmail App In-Reply-To: <41A349F1.1050905@inlandlakes.org> References: <41A349F1.1050905@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <69b790a8041123102127499af4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:32:17 -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > Anyone know of an application that could be loaded upon login that would > check for new mail in Maildir folders, and then do some arbitrary thing > to notify the user? Not really designed for that specific task. procmail can be used for monitoring. :0 * ^FROM.*gmail.com | wavplay ~/sounds/pop.wav Would signal anytime an email from a 'gmail.com' account arrives. :0 | wavplay ~/sounds/pop.wav Would signal on *any* email. From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Nov 23 18:24:30 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:24:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A4E@remail2.westat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-22 Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 22:05 +0100, Henning Wangerin wrote: >> > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 20:55, Eric Harrison wrote: >> > > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:21 -0500, Ascension Tech wrote: >> > > > By the way, I burned the image with nero on XP at my top >> > > > speed 20x. >> > > Is everyone who is having a problem using nero on XP? >> > Nope I'm using xcdroast from K12 4.0.1 >> So much for that theory ;-) I just did an rsync and burned the set using Roxio CD Creator Classic 6.1.1.48 on WinXP. Everything went smoothly, the first CD booted fine and my installation is progressing. -- Henry From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 23 19:32:56 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:32:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New menus - Reduced application collection In-Reply-To: <7EB8DA226B045949A4A6B793BD145A0A0162D362@glkms0011.greenlnk.net> References: <7EB8DA226B045949A4A6B793BD145A0A0162D362@glkms0011.greenlnk.net> Message-ID: <1101238376.28885.35.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 09:57, Hadfield, Tony (UK) wrote: > Les, > I like the idea of getting rid of the menu system. > Have you heard of the ROX project? > http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/WhatIsRox That's a little more extreme than what I had in mind and doesn't seem that well suited to multiple users unless it does a lot of magic with symlinks. You can get the idea of what I'm thinking about by making a new folder on your desktop named 'applications' and create launchers in it the easy way by dragging them off the gnome menu and dropping them in the folder. Then log out and back into an icewm or kde session. Note that you can still find you application folder, open it, and start the same programs by double-clicking them the same way. Then note that you can mv the real folder somewhere else and replace it with a symlink on the desktop, so you could easily give a group of users access to the same choices that you only manage in one place. With KDE you can even drop the folder on the task bar and create a new kind of pop-up menu although you have to log in and out for this to pick up changes in the real directory. I'm not sure I understand the point of using menus specific to the window mangers. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tim at litwiller.net Tue Nov 23 19:37:39 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:37:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] alert before printing Message-ID: <41A39183.6050509@litwiller.net> is it possible to pop up an alert before printing that it will cost $.03 per page to print this document with an ok or cancel button. I haven't seen anything like this but was sure this group would know if it was possible. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Nov 23 19:42:27 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:42:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server spec In-Reply-To: <20041123170021.B46EC74B99@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041123170021.B46EC74B99@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101238947.29218.31.camel@k1242.thebaillies.lan> First off, thanks for the tips on setting up the teachers with a small foot print. I had hoped to put one of our Proliant 6000s to use for the 2003 terminal server and put the money saved in to the new k12ltsp server. The 6000s are not going to scale. If I bring up one client at a time I can get about 15 concurrent users. But get 3 logging on at the same time and it bogs down with the % CPU utilization at 100. I was going to purchase a Dell (school would prefer 3 year warranty) for the K12 but now I'm going to have to build two servers one k12 and one win 2003. I have never built a server and the choices are overwhelming me a bit. I will be hashing over my notes with the LUG this evening. Basically I need to keep the cost of each server at under 3K. I'm thinking a two disc scsi system, 4 GB RAM processor tbd. BTW. I'm liking what I'm seeing so far with fc3 / 4.2, using it as I type. Some quirks but all in all looking good. John From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 23 19:53:06 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:53:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] alert before printing In-Reply-To: <41A39183.6050509@litwiller.net> References: <41A39183.6050509@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <41A39522.3050602@paasda.org> http://www.librelogiciel.com PyKota is a printer quota program written in python... then you can charge upfront and limit number of pages and so on and so forth. It's snazzy and easy to install/configure...works great... --Huck Tim Litwiller wrote: > is it possible to pop up an alert before printing that it will cost > $.03 per page to print this document with an ok or cancel button. I > haven't seen anything like this but was sure this group would know if > it was possible. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Tue Nov 23 19:48:21 2004 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:48:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Add DrPyton to Distro? In-Reply-To: <20041123194248.649E073901@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041123194248.649E073901@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101239301.4486.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm just wondering what the proper etiquette is for suggesting additional packages to the distro. I'd love to see DrPyton as part of the distro... Just let me know if I'm out of line for suggesting it here. Thanks for all the great work you've done Eric! -- Rich McCue Systems Administrator UVic Faculty of Law www.law.uvic.ca 250.472.4716 From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 23 19:48:38 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:48:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server spec In-Reply-To: <1101238947.29218.31.camel@k1242.thebaillies.lan> References: <20041123170021.B46EC74B99@hormel.redhat.com> <1101238947.29218.31.camel@k1242.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <1101239317.28885.40.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 13:42, John Baillie wrote: > I had hoped to put one of our Proliant 6000s to use for the 2003 > terminal server and put the money saved in to the new k12ltsp server. The Proliant would make a good home directory server if it already has a good SCSI system. It probably isn't worth the trouble to manage the extra machine unless you are going to have more than one k12ltsp server, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 23 19:54:46 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:54:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A4E@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A4E@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <41A39586.9030107@maltzen.net> Henry Hartley wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-22 Eric Harrison wrote: > >>>On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 22:05 +0100, Henning Wangerin wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 20:55, Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:21 -0500, Ascension Tech wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>By the way, I burned the image with nero on XP at my top >>>>>>speed 20x. >>>>> >>>>>Is everyone who is having a problem using nero on XP? >>>> >>>>Nope I'm using xcdroast from K12 4.0.1 >>> >>>So much for that theory ;-) > > > I just did an rsync and burned the set using Roxio CD Creator Classic > 6.1.1.48 on WinXP. Everything went smoothly, the first CD booted fine > and my installation is progressing. > For the record, I got disk 1 last night, burned it to a cheap We-Rook-You brand blank CD using Xcdroast, and it booted just find on my Dell laptop and began the installation process. Petre From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Tue Nov 23 20:17:34 2004 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (Quigg, Dale) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:17:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: server spec Message-ID: > From: John Baillie > Subject: [K12OSN] server spec > > I was going to purchase a Dell (school would prefer 3 year warranty) for > the K12 but now I'm going to have to build two servers one k12 and one > win 2003. I have never built a server and the choices are overwhelming > me a bit. I will be hashing over my notes with the LUG this evening. > Basically I need to keep the cost of each server at under 3K. I'm > thinking a two disc scsi system, 4 GB RAM processor tbd. I saved this post with the title "Awesome K12LTSP Info" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:53:38 -1000 From: "R. Scott Belford" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demo - any suggestions? Incidentally, our new build list is now this one: http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1031978 If you're just putting together a K12LTSP server (and it's not a file server) then my understanding is that you can skip the SCSI pieces. This would bring the total to about $2600 (not including the switch also included in the list). Hope this helps. DaleQ This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any e-mail, and any printout thereof. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 19:56:33 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:56:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] strange bug In-Reply-To: <20041123142341.GJ11472@wizzy.com> References: <9bd317560411230150111f2b41@mail.gmail.com> <20041123142341.GJ11472@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175604112311567f8ec07e@mail.gmail.com> I'd like to follow you suggestion: You could have numbered or lettered accounts with no password - But the users and groups wizard won't allow me to create an account without a password. Is there a command line way to make it happen? Thanks, Peter On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:23:41 +0200, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Ascension Tech wrote: > > > > > I noticed something really strange in 4.2 beta2. It happens when I'm > > logged in as the same user on multiple terminals. If i start OOwriter > > on one terminal and then try to open it on a second terminal, another > > instance of OOwriter pops up on the first terminal! Nutty huh? I do > > hope that one gets fixed because I don't want to have to make users > > for prek, K , and 1st grade. > > Doctor, it hurts when I do this !! > > Don't do that, then .. > > Seriously, it is a feature of many progams now. Mozilla will do the > same. No good way around it either. It happened in 3.x as well. > > You could have numbered or lettered accounts with no password - > > login: z > > Cheers, Andy! > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 23 21:13:22 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:13:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] strange bug In-Reply-To: <9bd3175604112311567f8ec07e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201c4d1a1$43b6cd90$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > But the users and groups wizard won't allow me to create an > account without a password. Is there a command line way to > make it happen? The import function in the Webmin module seems to bypass all password rules. You may want to give that a try. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Nov 24 00:36:22 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:36:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin-client kernels with FC2 Message-ID: <41A3D786.4030707@netscape.net> Hi Guys, This may be redundant but is there a new "client" kernel for FC2 ? i.e. vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-1 for fc1 so vmlinuz-2.6.?-ltsp-? thks norbert From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Wed Nov 24 00:46:07 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:46:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dma timer expiry Message-ID: <1101257167.5612.5.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> I just got a new 80 gig drive for my nfs server but it seems to be having trouble being recognized. Anybody have any idea what these messages mean. Both of my machines refuse to boot with this drive. I've even exchanged it for another 80 gig drive of a different brand but it still has the same problem: dma timer expiry dma_status_00x21 googling around leads me to belive that I need to recompile the kernel. Anybody having this problem? btw the drive is IDE Jack From jam at mcquil.com Wed Nov 24 00:43:55 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:43:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Thin-client kernels with FC2 In-Reply-To: <41A3D786.4030707@netscape.net> References: <41A3D786.4030707@netscape.net> Message-ID: Norbert, The latest kernel for ltsp is vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2, but that has nothing to do with the host system. Jim. On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, norbert wrote: > Hi Guys, > > This may be redundant but is there a new "client" kernel for FC2 ? i.e. > vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-1 for fc1 so vmlinuz-2.6.?-ltsp-? > > thks > norbert > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Nov 24 02:50:17 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 24 Nov 2004 10:50:17 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] strange bug In-Reply-To: <9bd3175604112311567f8ec07e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560411230150111f2b41@mail.gmail.com> <20041123142341.GJ11472@wizzy.com> <9bd3175604112311567f8ec07e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1101264621.23540.8.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 03:56, Ascension Tech wrote: > I'd like to follow you suggestion: > > You could have numbered or lettered accounts with no password - > -snip- > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:23:41 +0200, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Ascension Tech wrote: > > > I noticed something really strange in 4.2 beta2. It happens when I'm > > > logged in as the same user on multiple terminals. If i start OOwriter > > > on one terminal and then try to open it on a second terminal, another > > > instance of OOwriter pops up on the first terminal! Nutty huh? I do > > > hope that one gets fixed because I don't want to have to make users > > > for prek, K , and 1st grade. > > > > Doctor, it hurts when I do this !! > > > > Don't do that, then .. > > > > Seriously, it is a feature of many progams now. Mozilla will do the > > same. No good way around it either. It happened in 3.x as well. > > > > You could have numbered or lettered accounts with no password - > > > > login: z > > > > Cheers, Andy! Yeh, it's a feature and multiple/repeat logins has been discussed before. It's in the archives. The best solution for Years K,P & 1-3s, that has been proffered before on this list, would be a kiosk arrangement whereby logins and passwords are NOT needed. This has been discussed and can be found in the K12LTSP archives. Look for kiosk. Alternatively, I believe you could have the older students login with specific user names but no password. Again, it's in the archives. Catch 22: there is info in the archives about not getting good search results from the archives. Doh! I seem to remember that the problem is that it's case sensitive. HTH. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Wed Nov 24 02:55:58 2004 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:55:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Where to start? Message-ID: <62213.12.219.21.4.1101264958.squirrel@www.independence.k12.ia.us> Hello all, I'll give you some background and then ask just one question! Here we go: I am the technology director for a school district with 5 schools, mixed environment currently consisting of Macs and PCs. Macs are currently authenticating to OS X ldap server; Pcs are authenticating to Win2k Domain. My 2k Domain Controllers are pretty old, and I'd really like to retire them altogether, rather than paying the enormous cost to upgrade the servers and software, but I do have some Windows apps that are not available as Linux/OS X apps. I thought I would try out k12ltsp, and what I'd really like to do is be able to authenticate to the Mac OS X Ldap server, but that is not working. Is this possible? If not, could I get away with simply creating some generic logins on the k12ltsp server, and then simply browsing the network and having students authenticate that way? Any thoughts, ideas, pointers? Thanks so much, Brad Johnson Technology Director Independence Community School District Independence, IA From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 24 03:00:28 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:00:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanning from Client Message-ID: <20041124025356.M5758@winonacotter.org> Okay, I finally have a new test server with 4.2.0 Beta #1 running at home. So for now I have two questions. #1 I want to install my Epson Perfection 1260 scanner onto the usb port of a DisklessWorkstation Term 150. I am currently booting into Gnome but would like to use Kooka (as it looks like the only built in option I can see) to scan with. Does anyone have a place to start? I of course tried to just plug the scanner in and fire up Kooka and import, but I have no devices listed to import from. #2 I want to use my usb keychain on the local port of the Term 150. How do I get this to work? Again I of course tried to just plug it in but nothing happened. I am attempting this with a Lexar 512MB Jumpdrive. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 24 03:11:15 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:11:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] vncreflector In-Reply-To: References: <16434552.1101150508525.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <1101151668.13558.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41A3FBD3.7020602@earthlink.net> David Trask wrote: >Just for folks future reference....I always install all the development >packages when doing an initial install as they often will satisfy MANY >dependencies. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Yes the solution was the devel packages! Rita Gibson From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Nov 24 05:30:08 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:00:08 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanning from Client In-Reply-To: <20041124025356.M5758@winonacotter.org> References: <20041124025356.M5758@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1101274207.13125.10.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 08:30, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > #1 > I want to install my Epson Perfection 1260 scanner onto the usb port of a > DisklessWorkstation Term 150. I am currently booting into Gnome but would > like to use Kooka (as it looks like the only built in option I can see) to > scan with. Does anyone have a place to start? I of course tried to just plug > the scanner in and fire up Kooka and import, but I have no devices listed to > import from. I have also been trying to look for scanner solutions. No dice so far. Will look at this thread with interest ;-) > #2 > I want to use my usb keychain on the local port of the Term 150. How do I get > this to work? Again I of course tried to just plug it in but nothing > happened. I am attempting this with a Lexar 512MB Jumpdrive. You have to mount the drive. Typically create a directory where this is to be mounted say /mnt/usbdrive and then since these are recognised as scsi device: # mount /dev/sda /mnt/usbdrive If this is regularly needed then making this part of fstab may be better option. Search the archives as some have reported that in one session mounting multiple times does not work although on manually mounting unmounting I have had no such problem. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Nov 24 15:11:48 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:11:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanning from Client In-Reply-To: <20041124025356.M5758@winonacotter.org> References: <20041124025356.M5758@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41A4A4B4.1080402@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Okay, I finally have a new test server with 4.2.0 Beta #1 I'm still using 4.0.1 -- so any information may be incorrect, but with that in mind: > I want to install my Epson Perfection 1260 scanner onto the usb port of a > DisklessWorkstation Term 150. Yeah -- scanning is a bugger. It seems to me, that if the proper modules were loaded (maybe just USB?) and the program you mention "kooka" were installed as a local app, it would see the scanner. I have never set up a local app, so it's entirely theory, but the logic seems to hold. I know that scanners (and other local device support) are something the developers are looking at more and more. > #2 > I want to use my usb keychain on the local port of the Term 150. How do I get > this to work? I have a script from Huck that he received from somewhere... It basically is an rc script that allows usb drives to be accessed like remote floppies (via MToolsFM) I'll copy/paste the message I saved from months ago from Huck, which contains the script and some brief instructions on how to use it. NOTE: Below is shamelessly copy/pasted directly from Huck's email to me -- I'm sure he's fine with it going to the list. ---------------attached script and info below-------------------- Gideon from Symbio Technologies (www.symbio-technologies.com) kindly sent me this solution for the USB jump drive support on clients! Huck- Saw your post about flash drives. If you put the attached file in: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/ Then specify "RCFILE_02=usbdrived" in your lts.conf (along with "RCFILE_01=usb"), you should have working flash drives through the MToolsFM application the next time you reboot the thin client. Script from attached file is as follows: #------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ #!/bin/bash # # First, since floppyd runs as nobody, make /tmp world accessible. # chmod 777 /tmp mkdir /tmp/dev chmod 777 /tmp/dev # # Second, probe for the floppy # #modprobe scsi_mod #modprobe sg modprobe usb-storage # # Third, make the floppy world accessible. # mknod /tmp/dev/sda b 8 0 mknod /tmp/dev/sda1 b 8 1 chmod 666 /tmp/dev/sd* # # Finally, start floppyd. # floppyd -d /tmp/dev/sda1 #------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the only change I had to make was changing 'sda & sda1' to 'sdb and sdb1' respectively, as my server runs scsi and 'sda1' was already occupied =) I've not fiddled with Wiki enough to add/submit this to the USB technical doc already there, but Gideon gave permission if someone would like. This will save thousands of floppies world-wide I'm sure! Free from the bondage of floppies!!! --Huck -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 24 15:50:39 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:50:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanning from Client In-Reply-To: <41A4A4B4.1080402@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000201c4d23d$58a0fcc0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I have a script from Huck that he received from somewhere... It > basically is an rc script that allows usb drives to be accessed like > remote floppies (via MToolsFM) Thanks a ton. I will give this a try this evening. Now I just need to find out what MToolsFM is :-) As far as the scanner goes I will try to setup my server as a workstation and see if I can at least get local scanner support on that machine. Does one need to do anything special to get local support with Kooka or should it be ready to rock out of the box? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Nov 24 15:54:41 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:54:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanning from Client In-Reply-To: <000201c4d23d$58a0fcc0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000201c4d23d$58a0fcc0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41A4AEC1.9040409@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Thanks a ton. I will give this a try this evening. Now I just need to > find out what MToolsFM is :-) :) MToolsFM is a little application that allows transferring files to/from remote floppies (or usb sticks in this case) I also remembered some tweaking in /etc/mtools.conf that was required. This line was required in my /etc/mtools.conf file: drive u: file="$DISPLAY" remote and then my ~/.mtoolsfm file looks like this: DRIVES="u" LEFTDRIVE="u" RIGHTDRIVE=" " (I had to figure out the mtools stuff too, after you mentioned you didnt' know what MToolsFM was, I remembered I was in the same dillema!) > As far as the scanner goes I will try to setup my server as a > workstation and see if I can at least get local scanner support on that > machine. This does work. It is done in my classrooms. It works great in a classroom that contains the server and a few clients, because the (1) server is used as a client anyway, and that's just the only computer you can use if you want to scan. It works out really well. > Kooka or should it be ready to rock out of the box? Still clueless here, I haven't sent up any local apps before... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From trondrm at online.no Wed Nov 24 16:45:13 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:45:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound and icewm Message-ID: <1101314713.6887.5.camel@Enterprise> I did a test with icewm and sound today - and it worked! At least some applications did. I got sound on Tuxmath and several webpages using Mozilla 1.6, some of them with flash. I could not get sound on any wine applications. No sound using mplayerplug-in either. Has anyone gotten sound with wine and mplayerplug-in? I suppose something must be added to the wine config and the mplayerplug-in.conf files. But what? The mplayerplug-in as a ao (audio out). I tried setting it to ao=nasd. No luck. Also I use several Compaq T30's as thinclients. They have an audio out connector, but what kind og sound card? And where do I set it up so they get the right sound driver? Anyone used these with sound? Regards -- Trond M?hlum From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Nov 24 16:47:00 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:47:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound and icewm In-Reply-To: <1101314713.6887.5.camel@Enterprise> References: <1101314713.6887.5.camel@Enterprise> Message-ID: <41A4BB04.3030107@inlandlakes.org> Trond M?hlum wrote: > Mozilla 1.6, some of them with flash. Ok, how did you get this to work? I'm guessing with nasd? That brings up a question I really dont' know the answer to: What is the difference (and ramifications for/against) nasd vs esd ? I am using esd, should I be using nasd? I dont' think nasd is a standard sound daemon, is it? (I wouldn't know what to do to get mplayer working with nasd either, although it works with the ao=esd when using the esound daemon...) Anyone? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From brr at brr.no Wed Nov 24 18:06:01 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:06:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta 2 and Nero 6 Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041124185928.0217e970@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! I am a new member to this mailing list. I have visited the archive and can confirm that I also have problems with making a bootable K12LTSP-4.2.0-beta2 CD 1. I use Nero 6 Ultra Edition 6.6.0.1 running at Windows XP. I have checked the Nero site and can confirm that I am using the latest version of Nero. (In K12LTSP 4.1.0 version I did not have this problem!) If I install from .iso file in Vmware everything works ok. Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Wed Nov 24 19:42:18 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:42:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Squidguard cron error In-Reply-To: <20041124165041.139EC748BA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Good-day, I have squidguard running very smoothly, but every now and then I'm getting this error in the root's email: To: root at localhost.localdomain Subject: Cron /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists @ERROR: max connections (15) reached - try again later rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (67 bytes read so far) rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(150) Have I done something wrong with the setup? Thank you, Joseph From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 24 20:02:15 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:02:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanning from Client In-Reply-To: <41A4AEC1.9040409@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000201c4d260$7ebdd540$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > :) MToolsFM is a little application that allows transferring files > to/from remote floppies (or usb sticks in this case) > > I also remembered some tweaking in /etc/mtools.conf that was > required. > This line was required in my /etc/mtools.conf file: > > drive u: file="$DISPLAY" remote > > and then my ~/.mtoolsfm file looks like this: > > DRIVES="u" > LEFTDRIVE="u" > RIGHTDRIVE=" " I also needed to add drive u: file="$DISPLAY" remote to the ~/.mtoolsrc file. Things are working now. I also made a launcher for MToolsFM and threw it on the desktop. Now I can just insert the usb drive, click the launcher, and I am in. Thanks again. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Nov 24 19:55:32 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:55:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanning from Client In-Reply-To: <000201c4d260$7ebdd540$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000201c4d260$7ebdd540$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41A4E734.703@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I also needed to add drive u: file="$DISPLAY" remote to the ~/.mtoolsrc > file. Things are working now. I also made a launcher for MToolsFM and > threw it on the desktop. Now I can just insert the usb drive, click the > launcher, and I am in. Thanks again. Cool! Glad it worked! -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From rfreidel at computergeex.com Wed Nov 24 19:51:31 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:51:31 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Squidguard cron error Message-ID: <20041124.b4f.55127900@192.168.10.16> The error is telling you that there are too many users logged in to the rsync server, I would try changing the time the cron script is run to see if it helps. Or run the script manually.... joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: > > Good-day, > > I have squidguard running very smoothly, but every now and then I'm > getting this error in the root's email: > > To: root at localhost.localdomain > Subject: Cron /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists > > @ERROR: max connections (15) reached - try again later > rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (67 bytes read so far) > rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(150) > > Have I done something wrong with the setup? > Thank you, > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel This space intentionally left blank. http://leroy.homeunix.org From lsrpm at mts.net Wed Nov 24 20:33:50 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:33:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Add DrPyton to Distro? In-Reply-To: <1101239301.4486.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041123194248.649E073901@hormel.redhat.com> <1101239301.4486.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41A4F02E.10300@mts.net> Rich McCue wrote: >I'm just wondering what the proper etiquette is for suggesting >additional packages to the distro. I'd love to see DrPyton as part of >the distro... Just let me know if I'm out of line for suggesting it >here. > >Thanks for all the great work you've done Eric! > > > or a version of Python with IDLE would work for me From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Nov 24 20:50:14 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:50:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Add DrPyton to Distro? Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A52@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Liam Marshall >> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:34 PM >> >> or a version of Python with IDLE would work for me K12LTSP 4.2 (currently beta) with Python 2.3 includes IDLE. /usr/lib/python2.3/idlelib/idle -- Henry From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 24 21:30:15 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:30:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Requests for new packages, WAS: Add DrPyton to Distro? In-Reply-To: <1101239301.4486.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041123194248.649E073901@hormel.redhat.com> <1101239301.4486.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101331815.18177.138.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 11:48 -0800, Rich McCue wrote: > I'm just wondering what the proper etiquette is for suggesting > additional packages to the distro. I'd love to see DrPyton as part of > the distro... Just let me know if I'm out of line for suggesting it > here. The procedure is very straight-forward and easy to understand: the less work I have to do the more likely it is to get done ;-) Here are the general rules-of-thumb, in order of the most preferable to the least: 1) Fedora Extras binary packages (www.fedora.us) can be added as-is. This is near zero work for me! Noting that the package is in Fedora.us is good for one brownie point, providing the URL directly to the package is work three brownie points ;-) 2) Source packages from other repositories, such as Freshrpms, are likely to acceptable. Binary packages for non-Fedora origins will not be included. If the package rebuilds cleanly, and it looks like it would not be a nightmare to maintain should the third-party drop support, it would be likely considered for inclusion. Providing a URL to the source package is worth extra brownie points. 3) Source tarballs are ok, if it is easy enough to package and is likely to be widely used. Tuxpaint is a good example. Again, providing a link is appreciated. 4) If I have a hard time finding the requested package, and have never heard of it, odds are pretty low... A few caveats: * We are always running low on space in the ISOs, the bigger the package the less likely it will be added * Modification of official Fedora packages is to be avoided whenever possible. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm downloading the original FC3 disk1 right now, and >>are trying to boot from that. >> >>Details follows! >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi, OK this is getting weird ... the FC3 K12ltsp v4.2 that didn't boot on a regular computer work on a laptop ..... suggestions ?????? norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Nov 24 22:39:19 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:39:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Add DrPyton to Distro? In-Reply-To: <41A4F02E.10300@mts.net> References: <20041123194248.649E073901@hormel.redhat.com> <1101239301.4486.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41A4F02E.10300@mts.net> Message-ID: <1101335959.28514.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 14:33 -0600, Liam Marshall wrote: > or a version of Python with IDLE would work for me /usr/bin/idle in python-tools on K12LTSP 4.1/4.2 -> Fedora Core 2/3 -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 24 23:15:07 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:15:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #3 Message-ID: <1101338107.18177.168.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> The third beta release of K12LTSP 4.2.0 has been uploaded. This build is mostly to test the Windows XP cd burning problem. I built these images on a FC2 server, which uses a different version of mkisofs. That may make a difference, it may not. If you had problems with beta #2, please let me know whether or not this build works for you! I also included all of the latest-n-greatest patches that have been released in the last couple of days. Standard disclaimers apply: this is a beta so don't use in a production environment, etc, etc. Please report any bugs you may find... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . BTW, I'm taking the rest of the week off and *probably* won't be logging in too often. I may be slow (slower than usual) to respond until Monday... If you are in the US, enjoy Thanksgiving! -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 25 04:40:54 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:40:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Term150 Sound In-Reply-To: <20041125023611.M11439@winonacotter.org> References: <20041125023611.M11439@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20041125044020.M23233@winonacotter.org> > I cannot seem to get sound working again with my Term150's. I just looked back to a post from a few days ago and it gave me the idea to log into IceWM to see what happened. My sound works now. If anyone knows why it isn't working in Gnome let me know. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brr at brr.no Thu Nov 25 05:48:05 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:48:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 & 4.2 In-Reply-To: <41A4FC7F.8010900@netscape.net> References: <002b01c4d0aa$148ba3d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1101138502.3920.5.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> <41A23593.4080309@netscape.net> <41A4FC7F.8010900@netscape.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041125064614.04fad000@pop.domeneshop.no> >> >>There does seem to be a problem booting with the first CD, hence so as to >>not overload Eric I suggest burning the iso image from the first CD onto >>another to make a boot CD. i.e. from the /images directory use the file >>"boot.iso" and burn onto a blank CD, next boot the computer with that CD >>& follow the instructions >>This works ! I tried that yesterday. Worked ok! Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Nov 25 13:13:35 2004 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:13:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wireless nic suggestions Message-ID: First let me say that after several years, this is the BEST discussion group, thanks to all for making this a success. Now for my question, we want to buy some wireless NIC for both Winblows and Linux, do you have some make and models to recommend? What about those USB wireless NICs, can they be used also or should i stick to PCI types? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Nov 25 14:47:41 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:47:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Add DrPyton to Distro? In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A52@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A52@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <41A5F08D.5000509@mts.net> Henry Hartley wrote: >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Liam Marshall >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:34 PM >>> >>>or a version of Python with IDLE would work for me >>> >>> > >K12LTSP 4.2 (currently beta) with Python 2.3 includes IDLE. > >/usr/lib/python2.3/idlelib/idle > > > version 4.0 did not include idle. I installed it manually, thought everything was great. Copied an icon to all desktops, tested use on one or two First day of the programming class, tried to get 15 kids using idle. Only first one to access icon got it. The rest got an error message about something already being in use.(not the exact wording.) I like IDLE but have not been using it because I did not have time to figure out this problem. My students are writing in gedit and using terminal commands to test/run/debug has version 4.2 with python and IDLE fixed this issue? Can more than one workstation use IDLE at the same time? If so, I will be upgrading for next year anyway, so.... From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Nov 25 19:34:55 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:34:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wireless nic suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A633DF.8050703@cmosnetworks.com> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > First let me say that after several years, this is the BEST discussion > group, thanks to all for making this a success. > > Now for my question, we want to buy some wireless NIC for both > Winblows and Linux, do you have some make and models to recommend? > What about those USB wireless NICs, can they be used also or should i > stick to PCI types? > I've had good success with Orinoco-based cards with Slackware GNU/Linux. I've found that if Slackware's happy with a given piece of hardware, then just about any other distro will be. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk Thu Nov 25 21:32:18 2004 From: k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk (Peter Deakin) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:32:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanning from Client In-Reply-To: <20041124025356.M5758@winonacotter.org> References: <20041124025356.M5758@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41A64F62.603@trinityschool.org.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Okay, I finally have a new test server with 4.2.0 Beta #1 running at home. So >for now I have two questions. > >#1 >I want to install my Epson Perfection 1260 scanner onto the usb port of a >DisklessWorkstation Term 150. I am currently booting into Gnome but would >like to use Kooka (as it looks like the only built in option I can see) to >scan with. Does anyone have a place to start? I of course tried to just plug >the scanner in and fire up Kooka and import, but I have no devices listed to >import from. > >#2 >I want to use my usb keychain on the local port of the Term 150. How do I get >this to work? Again I of course tried to just plug it in but nothing >happened. I am attempting this with a Lexar 512MB Jumpdrive. > >Thanks, > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 > > > > Hi This was a post on the LTSP list from Peter Eherberg 29/09/04. I have set up an Epson 1260 today on 4.1.1 which works perfectly scanning with xsane into the GIMP. ----------------------------------------------------------------- quote I'm glad to announce the add on package ltsp_sane-1.0.4. The ltsp_sane package here is a add on package for a LTSP X-Terminal to let a application running on your server access a scanner plugged to your X-Terminal. This package based on the Scanner Access Now Easy project (SANE, www.sane-project.org). The original author of this package is Robert Stanford. All my thanks is going to Robert. My only work consists in make Roberts package work with LTSP version 4.1. Any praise is going to Robert any blame to me. Download page: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards Peter Deakin www.trinityschool.org.uk From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Fri Nov 26 01:29:15 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:29:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] All-in-one LCD / Thin Client? In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119DFA@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119DFA@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <20041125202915.7e7694ae.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> What about using some old laptops? Assuming you are careful about what you get, they can give you a small footprint, you can add a seperate mouse if you like, LCD/thin screen, etc. Parts are _fairly_ stardard, and _usually_ build to last some tough treatment. Then you can just place the ltsp_wireless image on the HDD and off you go. On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:49:58 -0600 "David H. Barr" wrote: > I'm not sure what you're looking for, etc. But I did bookmark > > http://www.thinplanet.com/products/ > > at one time. Never got a chance to follow up on it, but some of those systems appear to be k12ltsp compatible. > > Regards, > > David H. Barr > Sys / Net Admin > Oklahoma Goodwill Industries > 410 SW Third ST > Oklahoma City, OK 73109 > PH: 405.236.4451 > FX: 405.232.3209 > EM: david at okgoodwill.org > > Around Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:31 AM, > John Baillie (mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org) wrote: > > Can anyone point to an all-in-one solution for lcd / thin client? > > > > I looked at HP and Dell but I'd like another option. > > > > I'm looking for something that tucks behind the monitor for a nice > > clean > > small footprint solution for the teachers desks. > > > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Nov 26 01:01:38 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:01:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux back online! Message-ID: <41A68072.5020409@execulink.com> Some interesting developments have happened over the last week or so. Seems management has reversed it's decision about Linux and anything else that is not Microsoft. Since some public officials outside the board were interested in our LTSP and Open Source initiatives management thought it would be best to allow it to continue. (Open Mouth insert foot syndrome). I'm happy to let you know that the original LTSP in a K-8 school is doing well and there will be about 4 more that will be installed. One will be in a dual boot situation (Dell's booting with PXE) and should once cancel PXE they can boot into Windows as needed. Another server will be installed in a Secondary school. I'm excited about being a part of it and I've kept a lot of your messages since they have great ideas and suggestions. I'm really interested in what the response will be from the senior students. I'm sure they will try to hack away at it and it's not a concern for me. A good test to be sure. :) One elementary teacher will be using it for graphics editing. I'll keep you posted as they probably won't start until next year. Jason From jam at mcquil.com Fri Nov 26 01:08:30 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:08:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux back online! In-Reply-To: <41A68072.5020409@execulink.com> References: <41A68072.5020409@execulink.com> Message-ID: Jason, This is indeed excellent news. It's good for us as a community, but even better for the students and staff. They probably just don't know it yet :) Great job, and keep it up. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Jason wrote: > Some interesting developments have happened over the last week or so. > > Seems management has reversed it's decision about Linux and anything else that > is not Microsoft. > > Since some public officials outside the board were interested in our LTSP and > Open Source initiatives management thought it would be best to allow it to > continue. (Open Mouth insert foot syndrome). > > I'm happy to let you know that the original LTSP in a K-8 school is doing well > and there will be about 4 more that will be installed. One will be in a dual > boot situation (Dell's booting with PXE) and should once cancel PXE they can > boot into Windows as needed. > > Another server will be installed in a Secondary school. I'm excited about > being a part of it and I've kept a lot of your messages since they have great > ideas and suggestions. > > I'm really interested in what the response will be from the senior students. > I'm sure they will try to hack away at it and it's not a concern for me. A > good test to be sure. :) > > One elementary teacher will be using it for graphics editing. > > I'll keep you posted as they probably won't start until next year. > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Nov 26 01:08:43 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:08:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] launch an application via php script? In-Reply-To: <418F94E7.9010407@maltzen.net> References: <418C6AC0.7090608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <418F94E7.9010407@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <41A6821B.3090404@execulink.com> Not really PHP but I noticed that in Open Office you can have a button in a text file that will start the Font Internet Installer. Look for a file called OOofont*.sxw (I forget the exact name) but when you load it you first you click on the language you want. It then goes down to the matching bookmark in the document and there is a button that starts a program to update/download fonts from the Internet. Jason From brr at brr.no Fri Nov 26 05:53:34 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:53:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041126064952.04d9c418@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! Maybe I should have done a search through the mailing list archive to get answar to my question. But: It is much easier for me to usk the question here than using much time to search. I have not managed to understand who to get sound at the thin clients. In lts.conf I have found: # enable sound by default SOUND = Y Shall sound on the thin clients work without any configuration? Or? I tried to boot a thin client (old PC) with a SB Live card. I did not get any sound. Maybe the card is incompatible with K12LTSP? I have done my tests with K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta 2. Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) From gj.kramer at planet.nl Fri Nov 26 08:25:37 2004 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav Kramer) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:25:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #3 - Network install fails - with non default language Message-ID: <1101457537.22765.87.camel@server.ltsp> G'Day. It seems K12LTSP no longer likes either Canadians, the Dutch or Germans! I tried to install beta 3 over my network last night/this morning. The installation went fine until the point where you choose to use default packages or to customize your package selection. Once I hit next, I got: An unhandled exception has occurred. This is most likely a bug. Please copy the full text of this exception and file a detailed bug report against anaconda at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "usr/bin/anaconda", line 1165, in ? intf.run(id, dispatch, configFileData) File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install/usr/lib/anaconda/text.py", line 507, in run dispatch.gotoNext() File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install/usr/lib/anaconda/text.py", line 171, in gotoNext self.moveStep() File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install/usr/lib/anaconda/text.py", line 239, in moveStep rc = apply(func, self.bindArgs(args)) File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install/usr/lib/anaconda/text.py", line 1552, in selectLanguageSupportGroups grpset.hdrlist[req].addDeps([package],main = 0) File "/usr/lib/anaconda/hdrlist.py", line 422, in _getitiem_ raise KeyError, "No such package %s" %(item,) KeyError: 'No such package man-pages' This was true with both graphical and text mode on two different machines. The error happened whether I chose to install the default packages or customize the packages to install. As I read over the trace I noticed the error in selectLanguageSupportGroups. Since the language selection is one of the things I changed I've just tried it again with the default English (US) and it is happily installing as I type this. The changes I tried to make were to add: Dutch (Netherlands) English (Canada) - Default German (Germany) I'm positive that I installed the previous betas with that same language selection! If necessary I can try the languages one at a time but I suspect it won't make a difference and right now I have to head to the office! - gustav From nbs at sonic.net Fri Nov 26 08:42:21 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:42:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux back online! In-Reply-To: <41A68072.5020409@execulink.com> References: <41A68072.5020409@execulink.com> Message-ID: <20041126084221.GA24839@sonic.net> On Thu, Nov 25, 2004 at 08:01:38PM -0500, Jason wrote: > > One elementary teacher will be using it for graphics editing. May I ask what they'll be using? ;^) > I'll keep you posted as they probably won't start until next year. Excellent news, and congrats! Keep up the good work and continue to fight the good fight! I'm sure I speak for most of us[*] around here when I saw we're happy for you, and behind you 100%. [*] Simply based on what I see fly around the lists. ;) -bill! From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Fri Nov 26 12:00:18 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:00:18 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #3 - Network install fails - with non default language In-Reply-To: <1101457537.22765.87.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1101457537.22765.87.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1101470418.11335.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 09:25, Gustav Kramer wrote: > G'Day. > > It seems K12LTSP no longer likes either Canadians, the Dutch or Germans! > I tried to install beta 3 over my network last night/this morning. The Well it doesn't like danes either ;-) > installation went fine until the point where you choose to use default > packages or to customize your package selection. Once I hit next, I > got: > > An unhandled exception has occurred. This is most likely a bug. Please > copy the full text of this exception and file a detailed bug report > against anaconda at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ Me too - seems to be the same error I get. > The changes I tried to make were to add: I tied to get speak Danish. and English (Denmark) -- Henning Wangerin From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Nov 26 14:02:44 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:02:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: All-in-one LCD / Thin Client? In-Reply-To: <20041126120051.735F2734FC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041126120051.735F2734FC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101477761.1153.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:29:15 -0500 > From: Gentgeen > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] All-in-one LCD / Thin Client? > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <20041125202915.7e7694ae.gentgeen at linuxmail.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > What about using some old laptops? Assuming you are careful about what you get, they can give you a small footprint, you can add a seperate mouse if you like, LCD/thin screen, etc. Parts are _fairly_ stardard, and _usually_ build to last some tough treatment. Then you can just place the ltsp_wireless image on the HDD and off you go. > > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:49:58 -0600 > "David H. Barr" wrote: > > > I'm not sure what you're looking for, etc. But I did bookmark > > > > http://www.thinplanet.com/products/ > > > > at one time. Never got a chance to follow up on it, but some of those systems appear to be k12ltsp compatible. > > > > Regards, > > > > David H. Barr > > Sys / Net Admin > > Oklahoma Goodwill Industries > > 410 SW Third ST > > Oklahoma City, OK 73109 > > PH: 405.236.4451 > > FX: 405.232.3209 > > EM: david at okgoodwill.org > > > > Around Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:31 AM, > > John Baillie (mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org) wrote: > > > Can anyone point to an all-in-one solution for lcd / thin client? I'm going purchase a few jammin 225's. I like to mount them on the back of the lcd. Purchasing them has side benefit supporting some of the fine folks LTSP.org. John From lsrpm at mts.net Fri Nov 26 14:53:20 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:53:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandry Message-ID: <41A74360.5030205@mts.net> we are skating on the edge of being too low on hard drive space. With careful management of the ltsp environment I think we could make do but there are several reasons I don't want to. 1. First, in most cases I am a believer in more is better, hardware wise. What we have for hard drive space is 27 GB total. 2. Our current hard drives are composed of old, slow (5400 rpm, cache ?) scsi harddrives 1 9GB IBM and 1 18GB Seagate. They are both hooked in through a decent but non raid adaptec controller with no upgrade path for it 3. With our current setup we have zero redundancy. I have /home and /opt as well as the swap partition on the 18GB seagate and /root and the rest on the 9GB IBM. If either goes down I am well and truly screwed. and deservedly so with no redundancy. But I wanted to prove the LTSP idea to the school and did so by creating the server out of mostly used parts. Money will forever be the ban of school computer labs! Anyway, long story short. The board is impressed enough to spring loose some money for hard drive upgrade, maybe over the Christmas holiday. I was considering the following in an effort to save some money. Let me know what you think of this setup. Remember that the current setup up I am using is old slow scsi drives and that it is working sufficiently well performance wise I would like to get a Promise IDE raid controller, either the 4 or 6 channel version, haven't decided yet. I was going to put on it 4 - 80 GB EIDE hard drives with 7200 rpm and 8MB cache each. I would use these in a raid 0+1 or raid 1+0 configuration. It is my understanding that this will give me the best of both mirroring for redundancy, and parity/spanning for performance. If I am right in my understanding of raid levels 4 - 80GB drives in such a configuration will give me 160GB of storage space, with the other 160GB of the drives being used in a mirrored capacity right? Opinions? Comments? I am leaning with EIDE solution because of price vis a vis scsi and because sata really isn't available in my area yet and is still fairly expensive/unsupported? Opinions? Comments? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 26 16:33:53 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:33:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 beta #3 - Network install fails - with non default language In-Reply-To: <1101470418.11335.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1101457537.22765.87.camel@server.ltsp> <1101470418.11335.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Henning Wangerin wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 09:25, Gustav Kramer wrote: >> >> An unhandled exception has occurred. This is most likely a bug. Please >> copy the full text of this exception and file a detailed bug report >> against anaconda at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ > > Me too - seems to be the same error I get. I can repoduce this as well. Looks like it is my fault. New ISO are being built as I type... -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 26 17:05:03 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:05:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTPS 4.2.0 beta #4 Message-ID: Beta #4 "brown bag" build of K12LTSP 4.2.0 has been uploaded. The missing man-pages installer bug has been fixed. I have not installed this one yet, but there were no build errors or warnings. It should be fine. Standard disclaimers apply: this is a beta so don't use in a production environment, etc, etc. Please report any bugs you may find... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . -Eric From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Nov 26 17:30:39 2004 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:30:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandry In-Reply-To: <41A74360.5030205@mts.net> References: <41A74360.5030205@mts.net> Message-ID: <41A7683F.1080904@fpcc.net> Liam Marshall wrote: > > I would like to get a Promise IDE raid controller, either the 4 or 6 Make sure it's compatible with a stock Linux kernel. Typically, the low-priced RAID controllers are software-based (the driver hides this fact from the operating system), and sometimes the drivers are provided in binary-only format (like the Promise controller at one customer's location, which provided modules only for kernels from RH 7.2). You're really best off with a card with open-source drivers (like 3Ware, though I suspect that's out of your price range). > channel version, haven't decided yet. I was going to put on it 4 - 80 > GB EIDE hard drives with 7200 rpm and 8MB cache each. I would use these > in a raid 0+1 or raid 1+0 configuration. It is my understanding that > this will give me the best of both mirroring for redundancy, and > parity/spanning for performance. Yes, although 2 80 gig drives cost quite a bit more than 1 160 gig drive. > If I am right in my understanding of raid levels 4 - 80GB drives in such > a configuration will give me 160GB of storage space, with the other > 160GB of the drives being used in a mirrored capacity right? Yes. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've used them, and they are awesome. Fully supported by the Linux kernel since way back in the 2.2.x days. As for Promise controllers, i've never heard anybody say anything good about them. The little bit of playing that I did with a Promise card was not a good experience. It wasn't a raid card, just a normal IDE controller, but it seemed to be a pain in the butt to set up. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Calvin Dodge wrote: > Liam Marshall wrote: > > > > I would like to get a Promise IDE raid controller, either the 4 or 6 > > Make sure it's compatible with a stock Linux kernel. Typically, the > low-priced RAID controllers are software-based (the driver hides this fact > from the operating system), and sometimes the drivers are provided in > binary-only format (like the Promise controller at one customer's location, > which provided modules only for kernels from RH 7.2). You're really best off > with a card with open-source drivers (like 3Ware, though I suspect that's out > of your price range). > > > channel version, haven't decided yet. I was going to put on it 4 - 80 GB > > EIDE hard drives with 7200 rpm and 8MB cache each. I would use these in a > > raid 0+1 or raid 1+0 configuration. It is my understanding that this will > > give me the best of both mirroring for redundancy, and parity/spanning for > > performance. > > Yes, although 2 80 gig drives cost quite a bit more than 1 160 gig drive. > > > If I am right in my understanding of raid levels 4 - 80GB drives in such a > > configuration will give me 160GB of storage space, with the other 160GB of > > the drives being used in a mirrored capacity right? > > Yes. > > Calvin > -- > Calvin Dodge > Certified Linux Bigot (tm) > http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Nov 26 19:36:12 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:36:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandry In-Reply-To: References: <41A74360.5030205@mts.net> <41A7683F.1080904@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <6E13D279-3FE2-11D9-9AAE-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aren't most promise IDE (controllers, not RAID) supported by the kernel now? I think even some of the fasttrack one's are in the stock kernel now. I have a Promise IDE controller doing software RAID 1 and it seems to work fine. On Nov 26, 2004, at 1:12 PM, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Have you looked at the 3ware ide raid controllers? > > I've used them, and they are awesome. Fully supported by the Linux > kernel since way back in the 2.2.x days. > > As for Promise controllers, i've never heard anybody say anything good > about them. The little bit of playing that I did with a Promise card > was not a good experience. It wasn't a raid card, just a normal IDE > controller, but it seemed to be a pain in the butt to set up. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Calvin Dodge wrote: > >> Liam Marshall wrote: >>> >>> I would like to get a Promise IDE raid controller, either the 4 or 6 >> >> Make sure it's compatible with a stock Linux kernel. Typically, the >> low-priced RAID controllers are software-based (the driver hides this >> fact >> from the operating system), and sometimes the drivers are provided in >> binary-only format (like the Promise controller at one customer's >> location, >> which provided modules only for kernels from RH 7.2). You're really >> best off >> with a card with open-source drivers (like 3Ware, though I suspect >> that's out >> of your price range). >> >>> channel version, haven't decided yet. I was going to put on it 4 - >>> 80 GB >>> EIDE hard drives with 7200 rpm and 8MB cache each. I would use >>> these in a >>> raid 0+1 or raid 1+0 configuration. It is my understanding that >>> this will >>> give me the best of both mirroring for redundancy, and >>> parity/spanning for >>> performance. >> >> Yes, although 2 80 gig drives cost quite a bit more than 1 160 gig >> drive. >> >>> If I am right in my understanding of raid levels 4 - 80GB drives in >>> such a >>> configuration will give me 160GB of storage space, with the other >>> 160GB of >>> the drives being used in a mirrored capacity right? >> >> Yes. >> >> Calvin >> -- >> Calvin Dodge >> Certified Linux Bigot (tm) >> http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkGnhawACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQNiACfduNmXIZZptnu2GUFi0VeHoJN wzYAn3KScasdGgMVciZnIRv9YhP1GhKM =1ZWC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Nov 26 19:36:12 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:36:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandry In-Reply-To: References: <41A74360.5030205@mts.net> <41A7683F.1080904@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <6E13D279-3FE2-11D9-9AAE-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aren't most promise IDE (controllers, not RAID) supported by the kernel now? I think even some of the fasttrack one's are in the stock kernel now. I have a Promise IDE controller doing software RAID 1 and it seems to work fine. On Nov 26, 2004, at 1:12 PM, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Have you looked at the 3ware ide raid controllers? > > I've used them, and they are awesome. Fully supported by the Linux > kernel since way back in the 2.2.x days. > > As for Promise controllers, i've never heard anybody say anything good > about them. The little bit of playing that I did with a Promise card > was not a good experience. It wasn't a raid card, just a normal IDE > controller, but it seemed to be a pain in the butt to set up. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Calvin Dodge wrote: > >> Liam Marshall wrote: >>> >>> I would like to get a Promise IDE raid controller, either the 4 or 6 >> >> Make sure it's compatible with a stock Linux kernel. Typically, the >> low-priced RAID controllers are software-based (the driver hides this >> fact >> from the operating system), and sometimes the drivers are provided in >> binary-only format (like the Promise controller at one customer's >> location, >> which provided modules only for kernels from RH 7.2). You're really >> best off >> with a card with open-source drivers (like 3Ware, though I suspect >> that's out >> of your price range). >> >>> channel version, haven't decided yet. I was going to put on it 4 - >>> 80 GB >>> EIDE hard drives with 7200 rpm and 8MB cache each. I would use >>> these in a >>> raid 0+1 or raid 1+0 configuration. It is my understanding that >>> this will >>> give me the best of both mirroring for redundancy, and >>> parity/spanning for >>> performance. >> >> Yes, although 2 80 gig drives cost quite a bit more than 1 160 gig >> drive. >> >>> If I am right in my understanding of raid levels 4 - 80GB drives in >>> such a >>> configuration will give me 160GB of storage space, with the other >>> 160GB of >>> the drives being used in a mirrored capacity right? >> >> Yes. >> >> Calvin >> -- >> Calvin Dodge >> Certified Linux Bigot (tm) >> http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkGnhawACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQNiACfduNmXIZZptnu2GUFi0VeHoJN wzYAn3KScasdGgMVciZnIRv9YhP1GhKM =1ZWC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 26 19:39:34 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:39:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandry In-Reply-To: References: <41A74360.5030205@mts.net> <41A7683F.1080904@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <41A78676.1090308@cmosnetworks.com> Agreed on the Promise controller issue. I haven't tried out Promise PATA controllers, but I have tried out Promise SATA RAID controllers, and I despise them. The problem is that, like Calvin wrote, Promise is one of these companies that wants to pretend that it's protecting its so-called "intellectual property" and refuses to release the programming specs for its hardware to the Free Software community. Stay away from anything with Promise's name on it. Sadly, the same must apply to HighPoint's RAID controllers, when they're in RAID mode. In JBOD mode, though, combined with the 2.6 kernel, they're fine. One other option might be this, if the 3ware controllers are indeed out of your budget: The 2.6 kernel does support SATA now. I know this from experience using it; it even works with the nForce2 motherboard chipset's SATA ports. You could do Linux-kernel software RAID 1 with a couple of 160GB SATA disks, which I have running right now for a customer of mine. The OS is sitting on a PATA drive (80GB), and /home lives on the Linux-kernel SATA RAID. The performance seems to be just fine. The one downer is that, with Red Hat / Fedora distros, I find Linux-kernel RAID a pain to set up--very possible, I assure you, but tedious, which is why I started putting only /home on the RAID 1. You can always restore the OS from your backups, which you should be making anyway. You are doing this, right? If not, then I'd stress to the school board the need for regular backups, regardless of which operating system you're using! --TP Jim McQuillan wrote: >Have you looked at the 3ware ide raid controllers? > >I've used them, and they are awesome. Fully supported by the Linux >kernel since way back in the 2.2.x days. > >As for Promise controllers, i've never heard anybody say anything good >about them. The little bit of playing that I did with a Promise card >was not a good experience. It wasn't a raid card, just a normal IDE >controller, but it seemed to be a pain in the butt to set up. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > > >>Liam Marshall wrote: >> >> >>>I would like to get a Promise IDE raid controller, either the 4 or 6 >>> >>> >>Make sure it's compatible with a stock Linux kernel. Typically, the >>low-priced RAID controllers are software-based (the driver hides this fact >>from the operating system), and sometimes the drivers are provided in >>binary-only format (like the Promise controller at one customer's location, >>which provided modules only for kernels from RH 7.2). You're really best off >>with a card with open-source drivers (like 3Ware, though I suspect that's out >>of your price range). >> >> >> >>>channel version, haven't decided yet. I was going to put on it 4 - 80 GB >>>EIDE hard drives with 7200 rpm and 8MB cache each. I would use these in a >>>raid 0+1 or raid 1+0 configuration. It is my understanding that this will >>>give me the best of both mirroring for redundancy, and parity/spanning for >>>performance. >>> >>> >>Yes, although 2 80 gig drives cost quite a bit more than 1 160 gig drive. >> >> >> >>>If I am right in my understanding of raid levels 4 - 80GB drives in such a >>>configuration will give me 160GB of storage space, with the other 160GB of >>>the drives being used in a mirrored capacity right? >>> >>> >>Yes. >> >>Calvin >>-- >>Calvin Dodge >>Certified Linux Bigot (tm) >>http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 26 19:41:57 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:41:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandry In-Reply-To: <6E13D279-3FE2-11D9-9AAE-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <41A74360.5030205@mts.net> <41A7683F.1080904@fpcc.net> <6E13D279-3FE2-11D9-9AAE-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <41A78705.5020403@cmosnetworks.com> He's talking about in actual RAID mode, though. In that mode, I know for sure that the answer is, sadly, no. For that reason, I now refuse to buy anything that uses Promise's controller chips. --TP Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Aren't most promise IDE (controllers, not RAID) supported by the > kernel now? > I think even some of the fasttrack one's are in the stock kernel now. > I have a Promise IDE controller doing software RAID 1 and it seems to > work fine. > > On Nov 26, 2004, at 1:12 PM, Jim McQuillan wrote: > >> Have you looked at the 3ware ide raid controllers? >> >> I've used them, and they are awesome. Fully supported by the Linux >> kernel since way back in the 2.2.x days. >> >> As for Promise controllers, i've never heard anybody say anything good >> about them. The little bit of playing that I did with a Promise card >> was not a good experience. It wasn't a raid card, just a normal IDE >> controller, but it seemed to be a pain in the butt to set up. >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >> >> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Calvin Dodge wrote: >> >>> Liam Marshall wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I would like to get a Promise IDE raid controller, either the 4 or 6 >>> >>> >>> Make sure it's compatible with a stock Linux kernel. Typically, the >>> low-priced RAID controllers are software-based (the driver hides >>> this fact >>> from the operating system), and sometimes the drivers are provided in >>> binary-only format (like the Promise controller at one customer's >>> location, >>> which provided modules only for kernels from RH 7.2). You're really >>> best off >>> with a card with open-source drivers (like 3Ware, though I suspect >>> that's out >>> of your price range). >>> >>>> channel version, haven't decided yet. I was going to put on it 4 - >>>> 80 GB >>>> EIDE hard drives with 7200 rpm and 8MB cache each. I would use >>>> these in a >>>> raid 0+1 or raid 1+0 configuration. It is my understanding that >>>> this will >>>> give me the best of both mirroring for redundancy, and >>>> parity/spanning for >>>> performance. >>> >>> >>> Yes, although 2 80 gig drives cost quite a bit more than 1 160 gig >>> drive. >>> >>>> If I am right in my understanding of raid levels 4 - 80GB drives in >>>> such a >>>> configuration will give me 160GB of storage space, with the other >>>> 160GB of >>>> the drives being used in a mirrored capacity right? >>> >>> >>> Yes. >>> >>> Calvin >>> -- >>> Calvin Dodge >>> Certified Linux Bigot (tm) >>> http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkGnhawACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQNiACfduNmXIZZptnu2GUFi0VeHoJN > wzYAn3KScasdGgMVciZnIRv9YhP1GhKM > =1ZWC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? 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Or visit > Northern California's premiere news and information website > at http://www.sacbee.com . > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From kmeyer at blarg.net Fri Nov 26 22:43:36 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:43:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandary In-Reply-To: <41A7683F.1080904@fpcc.net> Message-ID: Mr. Linux Bigot (that's not a unique identifier around here) -- I recommend that you search the archives of this group for further information about this subject, which is one of those periodically appearing ones. A couple of previous items: www.storagereview.com maintains that there is very little performance benefit in striping drives (RAID 0), but of course, you multiply the jeopardy of a failure that will take you down by the number of drives striped-across. Others have said that the performance enhancement is greater -- but, Bottom Line, caveat emptor. Of course, the mirroring helps the reliability aspect, but if you are into four drives, why not go for RAID 5, which as I understand it, will only cost you one drive's worth of overhead? Chris Kacoroski has done experiments (results in the archives) and has found that the 3Ware RAID boards do well for large file transfers, but have real performance problems handling small, random file transfers as the thin client solution will create. Apparently, he even involved the 3Ware folks in trouble-shooting. Perhaps they have been able to address the problem since then, but as I recall, Chris has another recommendation for RAID controllers for use in LTSP systems. Again, caveat emptor. Ken Meyer -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Calvin Dodge Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 9:31 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandry Liam Marshall wrote: > > I would like to get a Promise IDE raid controller, either the 4 or 6 Make sure it's compatible with a stock Linux kernel. Typically, the low-priced RAID controllers are software-based (the driver hides this fact from the operating system), and sometimes the drivers are provided in binary-only format (like the Promise controller at one customer's location, which provided modules only for kernels from RH 7.2). You're really best off with a card with open-source drivers (like 3Ware, though I suspect that's out of your price range). > channel version, haven't decided yet. I was going to put on it 4 - 80 > GB EIDE hard drives with 7200 rpm and 8MB cache each. I would use these > in a raid 0+1 or raid 1+0 configuration. It is my understanding that > this will give me the best of both mirroring for redundancy, and > parity/spanning for performance. Yes, although 2 80 gig drives cost quite a bit more than 1 160 gig drive. > If I am right in my understanding of raid levels 4 - 80GB drives in such > a configuration will give me 160GB of storage space, with the other > 160GB of the drives being used in a mirrored capacity right? Yes. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Nov 26 22:50:13 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:50:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A7B325.7070509@cfl.rr.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmeyer at blarg.net Fri Nov 26 23:22:53 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:22:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandary In-Reply-To: <41A7B325.7070509@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Excuse me, but I have not asserted results of my personal experience in any respect. On the other hand, I have been a primary organizer for the Greater Seattle Linux Users Group for several years, I have engineering degrees from Princeton and the University of Washington, and many years experience insuring the integrity of flight-critical digital systems. What's your claim to authority? I quoted a website that conducts very thorough testing of hard drives, and which has been around for a long time. There is a lot of insightful tutorial material on the site, and I see no reason to question the generic quality of their conclusions. And I referenced Chris's comments to this list about thoughtful experiments and contacts with 3Ware that he has conducted. In other words, ALL of the information that I have cited IS from people who have serious experience with QUANTITATIVE evaluations of RAID implementation, and who are not limited to assessing whether the system locks up or crashes or not. "Works fine for me" is useful information, but does not necessarily indicate that optimum performance has been achieved. I didn't even mention the quality of Linux software RAID, which has engendered some really very disparate opinions in the past. In any event, I urged everyone to consult these references and evaluate them, and I even allowed that others felt that striping was more beneficial than storagereview maintains, though they have not provided any numbers that I know of. Is it the address to "Mr. Linux Bigot" that is the real, underlying source of your ruffled feathers? That was said in jest, as this entire, wonderful, eminently helpful group at least leans in that direction, with the very most charitable opinions expressed about M$ falling into the category of "tolerance" or "accommodation of the inevitable." At the least, as I said, the appellation is certainly not a unique identifier within this group. Ken Meyer PS You might consider not posting in HTML, if you profess to be so in tune with the proclivities of this group. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chase Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:50 PM To: kmeyer at blarg.net; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandary Mr. Meyers experience with Linux and setting up RAID is lacking in his email. Do we want to listen to him? Anyone can read articles that might be slanted to begin with. Only the folks that have hands-on experience can offer advice from a more practical perspective. Who would you believe, someone who has done it, or someone who reads alot of tech articles? Your choice..... Ken Meyer wrote: Mr. Linux Bigot (that's not a unique identifier around here) -- I recommend that you search the archives of this group for further information about this subject, which is one of those periodically appearing ones. A couple of previous items: www.storagereview.com maintains that there is very little performance benefit in striping drives (RAID 0), but of course, you multiply the jeopardy of a failure that will take you down by the number of drives striped-across. Others have said that the performance enhancement is greater -- but, Bottom Line, caveat emptor. Of course, the mirroring helps the reliability aspect, but if you are into four drives, why not go for RAID 5, which as I understand it, will only cost you one drive's worth of overhead? Chris Kacoroski has done experiments (results in the archives) and has found that the 3Ware RAID boards do well for large file transfers, but have real performance problems handling small, random file transfers as the thin client solution will create. Apparently, he even involved the 3Ware folks in trouble-shooting. Perhaps they have been able to address the problem since then, but as I recall, Chris has another recommendation for RAID controllers for use in LTSP systems. Again, caveat emptor. Ken Meyer -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Calvin Dodge Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 9:31 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandry Liam Marshall wrote: I would like to get a Promise IDE raid controller, either the 4 or 6 Make sure it's compatible with a stock Linux kernel. Typically, the low-priced RAID controllers are software-based (the driver hides this fact from the operating system), and sometimes the drivers are provided in binary-only format (like the Promise controller at one customer's location, which provided modules only for kernels from RH 7.2). You're really best off with a card with open-source drivers (like 3Ware, though I suspect that's out of your price range). channel version, haven't decided yet. I was going to put on it 4 - 80 GB EIDE hard drives with 7200 rpm and 8MB cache each. I would use these in a raid 0+1 or raid 1+0 configuration. It is my understanding that this will give me the best of both mirroring for redundancy, and parity/spanning for performance. Yes, although 2 80 gig drives cost quite a bit more than 1 160 gig drive. If I am right in my understanding of raid levels 4 - 80GB drives in such a configuration will give me 160GB of storage space, with the other 160GB of the drives being used in a mirrored capacity right? Yes. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From collinsr at kentoncityschools.org Fri Nov 26 23:39:33 2004 From: collinsr at kentoncityschools.org (Ryan Collins) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:39:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Apple ibooks DO netboot to ltsp In-Reply-To: <200411261824.iAQIOFB20019@downeast.net> References: <200411261824.iAQIOFB20019@downeast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > I have an mlti laptop booting directly to ltsp via openfirmware..courtesy > of dtrask who sacrificed his entire music collection...and bill cavalieri > who cross compiled kernel for ppc and built > /opt/ltsp/ppc..chuck Directions and pointers? :-) -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Kenton City Schools http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Nov 27 01:08:39 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:08:39 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Apple ibooks DO netboot to ltsp Message-ID: <200411270024.iAR0O4B27383@downeast.net> so far only in openfirmware..cmd-option-o-f into firmware i hit enter and give firmware password..it says ok..then type boot enet:192.168.0.1 (server name) that is all on client side.. i used bill cavalieris yaboot yaboot.conf ,kernel and initrd on server side. dhcpd.conf is the big rig..it passes option 43 to make ibook all yingly inside ####As of November 8 2002 ddns-update-style ad-hoc; default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; #option routers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1; #option domain-name "Ellsworth"; option root-path "192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; option routers 192.168.0.1; #option domain-name-servers 151.203.0.85, 151.202.0.85; # filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-1"; #filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-lpp-1"; ##next two lines to get dhcp to start+recognize option 128/9 #allow bootp option option-128 code 128=string; option option-129 code 129=text; #option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; #option option-129 "DPORT=1001"; ################## option dhcp-parameter-request-list 1,3,6,15,17,43,44,46,60; filename "yaboot"; #next-server 192.168.0.1; server-name "imac4"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; option vendor-encapsulated-options 01:01:02:08:04:01:00:00:01:82: 05: # length 69:6d:61:63:34; # hostname ########################################### shared-network WORKSTATIONS {subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {range 192.168.0.150 192.168.0.250; } } #-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; } host dc2 { hardware ethernet 00:d0:09:6a:ee:4f; fixed-address 192.168.0.253; } #---------------Last Bracket Important------------------------------------- ---------- > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > I have an mlti laptop booting directly to ltsp via openfirmware..courtesy > > of dtrask who sacrificed his entire music collection...and bill cavalieri > > who cross compiled kernel for ppc and built > > /opt/ltsp/ppc..chuck > > Directions and pointers? :-) > > -- > Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator > Kenton City Schools > http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Sat Nov 27 01:18:46 2004 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:18:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-4.2.0-Beta2 upgrade Message-ID: <20041126201846.7275778b.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> I've upgraded my home K12LTSP-4.0.1-1 server to K12LTSP-4.2.0-beta2. In the past, I've installed the "upgrades" onto a new partition. This time I did the real thing. The upgrade is very slick and gnome feels faster on my intel p-90 client (onboard virge s3 and eepro100tx nic) than icewm was under 4.0.1. Very impressive! Thanks Eric and Jim and all the other contributors to this wonderful project. Unfortunately, the I-openers in my kids' rooms are a different story and I'll get into that below. There was one hiccup during the install. I was using LILO to boot 4.0.1. During the install I choose grub as the bootloader to be installed on the partition (/dev/hdb4) where the new kernel/4.2.0 was being installed over 4.0.1. The install proceeded without error but when it rebooted I still had the old boot options. Tried rebooting and doing an upgrade a couple of times choosing to install grub in /dev/hdb4 and /dev/hda. Neither worked and I ended up adding the new kernel to lilo.conf and re-running lilo manually. Now the problem - the i-openers don't get along with nfs anymore. They boot a home-rolled 2.4.21 nfs-swap patched kernel from flash and connect to the network via a linksys usb100tx adapter. They get an ip address and then hang "doing the pivot_root." tail -f /var/log/messages shows that dhcp passes the address (192.168.0.6) , the mount request for /opt/ltsp/i386 is authenticated .....and that's as far as it gets. tcpdump shows that packets are being fragemented and "ip reassembly time exceeded." The output of "tcpdump -i eth0 | grep ws006.ltsp" is below. This happens with the 2.4.21 kernel and another earlier kernel without nfs-swap both of which worked well with earlier versions of ltsp. I played around with hardware (different cat5 cables, different ports on the switch etc.) and replaced the nfs-utils and system-config-nfs rpms with earlier versions but the problem remains. Does the nfs daemon that comes with fc3 run over tcp/ip? Where are the rsize and wsize values of the exported /opt/ltsp/i386 set? I grepped and found the mount parameters for the swapfiles in rc.sysinit but I cannot track them for the root directory. I'm hoping that adjusting these will allow me to get over this hurdle. Thanks! Jesse McDonnell tcpdump - i eth0 | grep ws006.ltsp output: 19:37:45.528349 arp who-has ws006.ltsp tell server.ltsp 19:37:45.529239 arp who-has server.ltsp tell ws006.ltsp 19:37:45.530572 arp reply ws006.ltsp is-at 00:e0:98:7e:f6:02 19:38:10.553564 IP ws006.ltsp > server.ltsp: icmp 556: ip reassembly time exceeded 19:42:34.966351 arp who-has server.ltsp tell ws006.ltsp 19:42:34.968422 IP ws006.ltsp.1420885366 > server.ltsp.nfs: 112 read [|nfs] 19:42:34.968843 IP server.ltsp.nfs > ws006.ltsp.1420885366: reply ok 1472 read 19:42:34.968861 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.968868 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.968874 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.969012 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.969132 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.969260 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.969388 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.969515 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.969643 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.969770 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.969897 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.970033 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.970162 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.970288 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.970402 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.970531 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.970658 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.970785 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:34.970912 IP server.ltsp > ws006.ltsp: udp 19:42:39.967590 arp who-has ws006.ltsp tell server.ltsp 19:42:39.971064 arp reply ws006.ltsp is-at 00:e0:98:7e:f6:02 19:43:04.970435 IP ws006.ltsp > server.ltsp: icmp 556: ip reassembly time exceeded From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 27 01:45:20 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:45:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandary In-Reply-To: <41A7B325.7070509@cfl.rr.com> References: <41A7B325.7070509@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <41A7DC30.1010002@cmosnetworks.com> Hey--be nice. If you need clarification on something, then ask for clarification. But that kind of response wasn't called for. Let's keep it civil. --TP Brian Chase wrote: > Mr. Meyers experience with Linux and setting up RAID is lacking in his > email. Do we want to listen to him? > > Anyone can read articles that might be slanted to begin with. Only > the folks that have hands-on experience can offer advice from a more > practical perspective. > > Who would you believe, someone who has done it, or someone who reads > alot of tech articles? Your choice..... > > > Ken Meyer wrote: > >>Mr. Linux Bigot (that's not a unique identifier around here) -- >> >>I recommend that you search the archives of this group for further >>information about this subject, which is one of those periodically appearing >>ones. A couple of previous items: >> >>www.storagereview.com maintains that there is very little performance >>benefit in striping drives (RAID 0), but of course, you multiply the >>jeopardy of a failure that will take you down by the number of drives >>striped-across. Others have said that the performance enhancement is >>greater -- but, Bottom Line, caveat emptor. >> >>Of course, the mirroring helps the reliability aspect, but if you are into >>four drives, why not go for RAID 5, which as I understand it, will only cost >>you one drive's worth of overhead? >> >>Chris Kacoroski has done experiments (results in the archives) and has found >>that the 3Ware RAID boards do well for large file transfers, but have real >>performance problems handling small, random file transfers as the thin >>client solution will create. Apparently, he even involved the 3Ware folks >>in trouble-shooting. Perhaps they have been able to address the problem >>since then, but as I recall, Chris has another recommendation for RAID >>controllers for use in LTSP systems. Again, caveat emptor. >> >>Ken Meyer >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>Behalf Of Calvin Dodge >>Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 9:31 AM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hard Drive Upgrade Quandry >> >>Liam Marshall wrote: >> >> >>>I would like to get a Promise IDE raid controller, either the 4 or 6 >>> >>> >> >>Make sure it's compatible with a stock Linux kernel. Typically, the >>low-priced >>RAID controllers are software-based (the driver hides this fact from the >>operating system), and sometimes the drivers are provided in binary-only >>format >>(like the Promise controller at one customer's location, which provided >>modules >>only for kernels from RH 7.2). You're really best off with a card with >>open-source drivers (like 3Ware, though I suspect that's out of your price >>range). >> >> >> >>>channel version, haven't decided yet. I was going to put on it 4 - 80 >>>GB EIDE hard drives with 7200 rpm and 8MB cache each. I would use these >>>in a raid 0+1 or raid 1+0 configuration. It is my understanding that >>>this will give me the best of both mirroring for redundancy, and >>>parity/spanning for performance. >>> >>> >> >>Yes, although 2 80 gig drives cost quite a bit more than 1 160 gig drive. >> >> >> >>>If I am right in my understanding of raid levels 4 - 80GB drives in such >>>a configuration will give me 160GB of storage space, with the other >>>160GB of the drives being used in a mirrored capacity right? >>> >>> >> >>Yes. >> >>Calvin >>-- >>Calvin Dodge >>Certified Linux Bigot (tm) >>http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Nov 27 03:16:37 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:16:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual Xeon server <= $2300.00 In-Reply-To: <20041127010408.95CDE73BAA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041127010408.95CDE73BAA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101525397.1153.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, I found it to be quite a chore to weigh all the possibilities but I think I came up with a good build. All opinions welcome. I found the whole scsi raid subject a little confusing hostraid vs non hostraid. 1 Tyan "S5350G2NR" E7320 Chipset Server Motherboard For Dual Intel XEON CPU 2 Intel Xeon 2.8 GHz with EMT 64, 800MHz FSB, 1MB L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Technology (active heatsink) 1 Fortron 550W EPS12V PSU, Supports Dual Xeon CPU, Model "FSP550-60PLN 4 Crucial 184-Pin 1GB DDR PC-2700 1 Adaptec 64-bit Ultra320 SCSI Card, Model "2060100" 2 Fujitsu 36.7GB 10,025RPM SCSI Hard Drive, Model MAP3367NP 1 Lian Li Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Case, Model "PC-V1200B" Complete details for two servers can be located here: http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1116068 John From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Nov 27 05:07:23 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:07:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux back online! In-Reply-To: <41A68072.5020409@execulink.com> References: <41A68072.5020409@execulink.com> Message-ID: Very cool! This is great news! keep us posted on developements "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 8:01 PM +0000 wrote: >Some interesting developments have happened over the last week or so. > >Seems management has reversed it's decision about Linux and anything >else that is not Microsoft. > >Since some public officials outside the board were interested in our >LTSP and Open Source initiatives management thought it would be best to >allow it to continue. (Open Mouth insert foot syndrome). > >I'm happy to let you know that the original LTSP in a K-8 school is >doing well and there will be about 4 more that will be installed. One >will be in a dual boot situation (Dell's booting with PXE) and should >once cancel PXE they can boot into Windows as needed. > >Another server will be installed in a Secondary school. I'm excited >about being a part of it and I've kept a lot of your messages since they >have great ideas and suggestions. > >I'm really interested in what the response will be from the senior >students. I'm sure they will try to hack away at it and it's not a >concern for me. A good test to be sure. :) > >One elementary teacher will be using it for graphics editing. > >I'll keep you posted as they probably won't start until next year. > >Jason David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Nov 27 05:07:23 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:07:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux back online! In-Reply-To: <41A68072.5020409@execulink.com> References: <41A68072.5020409@execulink.com> Message-ID: Very cool! This is great news! keep us posted on developements "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 8:01 PM +0000 wrote: >Some interesting developments have happened over the last week or so. > >Seems management has reversed it's decision about Linux and anything >else that is not Microsoft. > >Since some public officials outside the board were interested in our >LTSP and Open Source initiatives management thought it would be best to >allow it to continue. (Open Mouth insert foot syndrome). > >I'm happy to let you know that the original LTSP in a K-8 school is >doing well and there will be about 4 more that will be installed. One >will be in a dual boot situation (Dell's booting with PXE) and should >once cancel PXE they can boot into Windows as needed. > >Another server will be installed in a Secondary school. I'm excited >about being a part of it and I've kept a lot of your messages since they >have great ideas and suggestions. > >I'm really interested in what the response will be from the senior >students. I'm sure they will try to hack away at it and it's not a >concern for me. A good test to be sure. :) > >One elementary teacher will be using it for graphics editing. > >I'll keep you posted as they probably won't start until next year. > >Jason David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Nov 27 05:07:51 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:07:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux back online! In-Reply-To: <20041126084221.GA24839@sonic.net> References: <41A68072.5020409@execulink.com> <20041126084221.GA24839@sonic.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, November 26, 2004 at 3:42 AM +0000 wrote: >May I ask what they'll be using? ;^) TuxPaint of course! ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Nov 27 05:09:44 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:09:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple ibooks DO netboot to ltsp In-Reply-To: <200411270024.iAR0O4B27383@downeast.net> References: <200411270024.iAR0O4B27383@downeast.net> Message-ID: WaaaaaHOOOOO! Go Chuck! This is big news! Go Bill C. too! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robark at telus.net Sat Nov 27 08:06:41 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:06:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual Xeon server <= $2300.00 In-Reply-To: <1101525397.1153.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041127010408.95CDE73BAA@hormel.redhat.com> <1101525397.1153.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41A83591.7020307@telus.net> John Baillie wrote: >Hello, > >I found it to be quite a chore to weigh all the possibilities but I >think I came up with a good build. All opinions welcome. > >I found the whole scsi raid subject a little confusing >hostraid vs non hostraid. > > >1 Tyan "S5350G2NR" E7320 Chipset Server Motherboard For Dual Intel XEON >CPU > > >2 Intel Xeon 2.8 GHz with EMT 64, 800MHz FSB, 1MB L2 Cache, Hyper >Threading Technology (active heatsink) > >1 Fortron 550W EPS12V PSU, Supports Dual Xeon CPU, Model "FSP550-60PLN > >4 Crucial 184-Pin 1GB DDR PC-2700 > >1 Adaptec 64-bit Ultra320 SCSI Card, Model "2060100" > >2 Fujitsu 36.7GB 10,025RPM SCSI Hard Drive, Model MAP3367NP > >1 Lian Li Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Case, Model "PC-V1200B" > >Complete details for two servers can be located here: > >http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1116068 > >John > > > Very nice. I can't believe how affordable it is!!!!!!!! -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From kmeyer at blarg.net Sat Nov 27 21:46:50 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 13:46:50 -0800 Subject: FW: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI Message-ID: OK, here are two previous messages about RAID hardware that were posted to the list in a thread about two months ago -- as I suggested: RTFA maybe? I know Chris Kacoroski and consider him to be a completely capable and knowledgeable practitioner who conducts objective, though analyses of the systems on which his job performance obviously depends. Chris has presented to the Greater Seattle Linux Users Group and the Tacoma LUG on several occasions. It appears that Chris has identified Seek Systems and EonStor as suppliers of SATA RAID cards that deal well with those small, random file accesses. It seems that these folks provide "storage solutions" and maybe not just controller cards for your own drives, but maybe they work better. I recommend that you direct requests for further details to this very helpful guy. My role, as I see it, is often to make connections from a position of wide but not always very deep acquaintance with a host of technologies and sources, based on a ravenous curiosity maybe overlaid with a touch of ADD. Contrary to Brian C's opinion, I think that is a valuable service, and not one that is always covered well by other participants in many environments. As a bonus, there is mention of the SATA vs. SCSI comparison in the messages. The consensus at present seems to be that there is not too much difference, at least at a common RPM, between these disks for desktop use, but that SCSI still has a good edge (see comparisons at www.storagereview.com) for server apps, which may be reduced significantly when the SATA guys implement effective elevator queuing -- or not. Sometimes, it is pointed-out that SCSI drives are built more ruggedly, with better reliably expectations, merely because they are intended for industrial-strength use. That may or may not be significant today, when a manufacturing plant is run by a man and a dog: the man being there to feed the dog and the dog being there to keep the man from touching anything. Ken Meyer ----- Message Forwarded ----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Chris Kacoroski Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:10 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI Liam, I did several tests with SATA and SCSI and found out that the controller card is a limiting factor. The fundamental difference between the two technologies is that SCSI drives queue up the requests and the optimize the path of the r/w head across the disk. SATA do not have this ability so the r/w head wanders all over the disk handling the requests in a first come, first serve basis. What this means, is that if you are reading or writing one large file, SATA perform as good as SCSI (if they have the same spindle speed). If you have several different processes r/w to multiple files on disk, SCSI out performs SATA by a large margin. The new SATA standard out sometime next year is suppose to include queueing, but until then SCSI is definitely worth it for small installations like yours. If you have a large installation (e.g. 2TB+ of disk), you can use a device like the EonStor raid which connects SATA disks to a scsi controller and performs very well. I have one of these and plan to get another one for a different application. I tried 3ware cards, but they failed in my application (I still use them to mirror the system disks and they work great for that). cheers, ski Liam Marshall wrote: > this is my current hard drive situation, which will probably have to > stay until next year. > > 1 - small regular ide drive for the system to boot off of. It holds > the /boot partition and does nothing else > > 1 - 8 GB ibm SCSI drive, holding /root /usr etc > > 1 - 18 HB Seagate SCSI holding /home /opt and the /swap partition > > no raid > > In an earlier thread, someone mentioned using SATA drives successfully > with a large number of users, 25+ > > When I go to configure next years server (we will upgrade) can I use SATA > drives in a raid 0 configuration? I want to increase performance hence > the raid 0, but heard that SATA drives might not handle a class of 25+ > workstations > > any advice? > > SATA is cheaper, I assume, than SCSI, so that would be a preferred path > if true -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 ------------->> Message #2 Forwarded <<----------------------- Ken Meyer wrote: > 1) RAID 0 is a very bad deal. It does not provide very much performance > increase (apparently in part due to the caching algorithms embedded in the > typical drive's firmware), AND you have doubled your jeopardy because the > failure of EITHER drive will eat your lunch (See Comment One below, copied > from the S/R site untouched by human-driven keyboards). Agreed. I only use this for applications that need lots of very fast tmp disk space. Most folks use Raid 1 (mirrors). > 2) The superiority of SCSI, given similar physical characteristics (RPM, bit > density, et al) of the drives, has been most evident in servers having > multi-user, random access to many small files, and that this advantage has > been due to "elevator queuing" in which the drive actively manages the order > of retrieving data. ATA drives never implemented this feature because the > advantage in single-user system was small or even negative. However, SATA > drives are encroaching on this capability, called TCQ (Tagged Command > Queuing) by WD and generically, and NCQ (Native...) by Maxtor and Seagate. SATA should have this in a year or so. > 3) A question. It has been my understanding that writing data to, say, a > RAID 5 array was SLOWER than to a single drive, since space had to be > allocated for pieces to be put on each of the drives, but that reading might > be faster (ATA or SCSI, regardless of TCQ or not). So, does one get better > performance by putting all drives in an independent configuration, maybe as > a single volume, than as a RAID array -- reliability and the "redundancy > tax" aside? On older arrays, there definitely is a RAID 5 write hit. On many of the newer ones (e.g. Seek Systems, EonStor) they get around this by caching tricks such as immediately writing all data to a temp location on the raid and then when they get an entire stripe of data, rewriting it during a pause properly to the Raid5, etc. I am now using Seek Raid 5 arrays to support enterprise oracle DB as they are a lot cheaper than mirroring everything (the traditional way). cheers, ski From colprep at biz.videotron.ca Sat Nov 27 22:47:28 2004 From: colprep at biz.videotron.ca (robert) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:47:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lyx-Latex Message-ID: <1101595648.18868.2.camel@nikon.ltsp> As per the earlier post; If your going to use Latex for document processing, try the lyx frontend. http://www.lyx.org/ From brr at brr.no Sun Nov 28 05:34:56 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:34:56 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta, thin clients and sound Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041128063023.020eb2c8@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! What must I do to get sound on the thin clients (K12LTSP 4.1.0 and K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta)? I thought that it should work with the default setup? I have some thin clients with Linux compatible sound card. During the boot the sound card is found. But when I try to play sound on the client it is played at the server and not on the thin client. What must I do at the server to get the sound to work on the thin clients? Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) From eric at bluecranecs.com Sun Nov 28 19:27:37 2004 From: eric at bluecranecs.com (Eric Smith) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:27:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 4 packages "broken" Message-ID: <33140.68.11.53.59.1101670057.spork@webmail.bluecranecs.com> Same problem from 4.2.0 beta 2. Synaptic and apt-get list the following packages as broken and refuse to do any installs/updates unless they are removed: Atomix Celestia K12ltsp-core K12ltsp-utils tuxpaint-config Any ideas as to a fix? -eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 08:03:00 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:03:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wine fc3 smp? Message-ID: <9bd31756041129000348d23147@mail.gmail.com> Is anyone having any luck with wine on fc3 and the smp kernel? I'm getting a bunch of unhandled exceptions. -peter From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 07:57:31 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:57:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sqidguard setup Message-ID: <9bd31756041128235764168730@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I'm sure someone has brought this up before but i just can't find what i'm looking for. My appoligies if this is totally obvious. I have a seperate box for squidguard. Unfoutrunately teachers and students have to share machines sometimes. I'd like for teachers not to be blocked so they can check their email. Is there a way to permanently set the proxy settings on a per group or user basis? Static ip and allowing in the acl is not a option. Seems like their should be something in webmin. Please help, I'm really scratching my head. Thanks. Peter From jegadesh at gokaldasexports.com Tue Nov 30 03:53:55 2004 From: jegadesh at gokaldasexports.com (jegadesh) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:23:55 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] submission list Message-ID: <000c01c4d690$368c1000$3764bebe@jegadesh> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 08:38:47 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:38:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: sqidguard setup In-Reply-To: <9bd31756041128235764168730@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd31756041128235764168730@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175604112900386c6278cb@mail.gmail.com> Maybey someone could develop a mac spoofing bootrom. Press enter for default. :) On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:57:31 -0500, Ascension Tech wrote: > Hey All, > I'm sure someone has brought this up before but i just can't find what > i'm looking for. My appoligies if this is totally obvious. I have a > seperate box for squidguard. Unfoutrunately teachers and students > have to share machines sometimes. I'd like for teachers not to be > blocked so they can check their email. Is there a way to permanently > set the proxy settings on a per group or user basis? Static ip and > allowing in the acl is not a option. Seems like their should be > something in webmin. Please help, I'm really scratching my head. > > Thanks. > Peter > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 29 05:44:54 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:44:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta, thin clients and sound In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041128063023.020eb2c8@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041128063023.020eb2c8@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, [iso-8859-1] Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > Hello! > > What must I do to get sound on the thin clients (K12LTSP 4.1.0 and K12LTSP > 4.2.0 beta)? I thought that it should work with the default setup? > > I have some thin clients with Linux compatible sound card. During the boot the > sound card is found. But when I try to play sound on the client it is played > at the server and not on the thin client. > > What must I do at the server to get the sound to work on the thin clients? Here is the entry in the K12LTSP wiki: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ASound Sound on thin clients is at a relatively early stage of development. Sound support is turned on by default, but that does not mean it "just works" by default. There are currently two different sound sub-systems: esd and nasd. You can switch between the two to see which best supports your applications by editing the "SOUND_DAEMON" line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf If you select "esd", there you can turn on additional "features" by adding: REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS=YES to /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 29 05:34:09 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:34:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 4 packages "broken" In-Reply-To: <33140.68.11.53.59.1101670057.spork@webmail.bluecranecs.com> References: <33140.68.11.53.59.1101670057.spork@webmail.bluecranecs.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, Eric Smith wrote: > Same problem from 4.2.0 beta 2. Synaptic and apt-get list the following > packages as broken and refuse to do any installs/updates unless they are > removed: > > Atomix > Celestia > K12ltsp-core > K12ltsp-utils > tuxpaint-config > > Any ideas as to a fix? Run "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" again and post the actual errors reported by apt. I fixed a dependancy problem with celestia & k12ltsp-utils. I don't see anything wrong with atomix, k12ltsp-core, or tuxpaint-config. I'm testing from a couple of development machines (remote access), so they do not have a 100% clean version of K12LTSP. I won't have access to do an install on fresh hardware until monday or tuesday... -Eric From haynest at mchsi.com Mon Nov 29 11:47:32 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:47:32 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 4 packages "broken" Message-ID: <112920041147.16442.708e@mchsi.com> > Run "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" again and post the actual errors > reported by apt. This machine was installed yesterday for a from beta CD's (downloded yesterday). $ apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: atomix: Depends: liblinc.so.1 celestia: Depends: libgtkgl.so.5 k12ltsp-core: Depends: caching-nameserver-ltsp but it is not installable k12ltsp-utils: Depends: mlterm but it is not installed Depends: perl-perl-ldap but it is not installable tuxpaint-config: Depends: fltk but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. From brr at brr.no Mon Nov 29 13:45:08 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:45:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta, thin clients and sound In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041128063023.020eb2c8@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041129144229.02026a38@pop.domeneshop.no> >Here is the entry in the K12LTSP wiki: > >http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ASound > Hm. Ok. Read the information. I K12LTSP system detects the sound card in my test thin client, but when I try to play anything in e. g. XMSS it plays the sound at the server and not the thin client. I have only tried esd so far. Shall XMSS work together with K12LTSP thin client? Or? Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Nov 29 14:54:45 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:54:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum and GPG keys Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A56@remail2.westat.com> When I try to run 'yum install' I am told: You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. You can do that by running the command: rpm --import public.gpg.key For more information contact your distribution or package provider. Okay, thinks me, I can do that. I run 'rpm --import public.gpg.key' (as root) and get: error: public.gpg.key: import read failed. Am I missing something obvious? -- Henry From les at futuresource.com Mon Nov 29 16:36:40 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:36:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum and GPG keys In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A56@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A56@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1101746199.23172.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 08:54, Henry Hartley wrote: > When I try to run 'yum install' I am told: > > You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. > However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download > the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. > You can do that by running the command: > rpm --import public.gpg.key > For more information contact your distribution or package provider. > > Okay, thinks me, I can do that. I run 'rpm --import public.gpg.key' (as > root) and get: > > error: public.gpg.key: import read failed. That's how you install a key. You have to download it first and use the real name. The easy way is to run up2date up to the point where it installs the key for you, then you can bail out and use yum. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 16:35:00 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:35:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ktimes Message-ID: <9bd3175604112908356bcd10a@mail.gmail.com> I was looking to install ktimes. It's not installing though. Does anyone have a good alternative? The version I have is calling for qt 2.2.2 and I have qt 3. Can have both of them and not break my machine? thanks, totally new this, Peter From eric at bluecranecs.com Mon Nov 29 17:13:10 2004 From: eric at bluecranecs.com (Eric Smith) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:13:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 134 In-Reply-To: <20041129170038.B54647362D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041129170038.B54647362D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <32805.68.11.53.59.1101748390.spork@webmail.bluecranecs.com> Apt-get errors: Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: atomix: Depends: liblinc.so.1 celestia: Depends: libgtkgl.so.5 k12ltsp-core: Depends: caching-nameserver-ltsp but it is not installed k12ltsp-utils: Depends: mlterm but it is not installed Depends: perl-perl-ldap but it is not installable tuxpaint-config: Depends: fltk but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. dunno what's up. Also, I still can't burn a bootable Disk 1. I ended up doing a clean network install from the install boot iso, but I tried burning the disk1 iso both with Nero in Windows XP and using nautilus in Ubuntu linux (debian based). Neither would boot. -eric From haynest at mchsi.com Mon Nov 29 17:19:34 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:19:34 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 134 Message-ID: <112920041719.18889.ad1@mchsi.com> > > Also, I still can't burn a bootable Disk 1. I ended up doing a clean > network install from the install boot iso, but I tried burning the disk1 > iso both with Nero in Windows XP and using nautilus in Ubuntu linux > (debian based). Neither would boot. FWIW, I spent way too long trying to do a hard drive install on this machine. Finally I just gave up and burned the three CD's for the CD install. That boot/install process is creating headaches all around. Regards... Tom From brr at brr.no Mon Nov 29 17:46:27 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:46:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0-beta4, Nero 6 and booting Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041129183815.01fdf420@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! Still in K12LTSP 4.2.0-beta4 I have to cheat with boot.iso because Nero 6 (Nero 6.6.0.1 Ultra Edition, Nero reloaded) does not manage to make a bootable CD from K12LTSP-4.2.0-beta4-disc1.iso. I hope this problem will be solved before the final version! Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Nov 29 17:52:01 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:52:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server/Client Performance Message-ID: <41AB61C1.7020000@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I'm hoping to set up a very small K12LTSP deployment for a local church in the near future using donated (trashed, actually) hardware and I have a question regarding performance. I've got a pretty low-end PC here that I want to use as the server: a P-233 with 256MB RAM. What kind of performance can I expect for 2 clients connected to this machine for use as a Web Browsing/Word Processing cluster? Is it a safe assumption that the clients would perform these tasks about as well as the server itself? -- C-ya, Mark ____ In 1969, the last Corvair was painted gold. From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Nov 29 18:00:26 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:00:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum and GPG keys Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A5A@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Les Mikesell >> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:37 AM >> >> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 08:54, Henry Hartley wrote: >> > Okay, thinks me, I can do that. I run 'rpm --import >> > public.gpg.key' (as root) and get: >> > error: public.gpg.key: import read failed. >> >> That's how you install a key. You have to download it first and >> use the real name. The easy way is to run up2date up to the point >> where it installs the key for you, then you can bail out and use >> yum. Right you are (duh). Thanks. This give some specifics on getting and installing keys: http://www.fedorafaq.org/#gpgsig -- Henry From olle at paalalinn.com Mon Nov 29 17:59:57 2004 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:59:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0-beta4, Nero 6 and booting In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041129183815.01fdf420@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041129183815.01fdf420@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <1101751197.10989.6.camel@server5.paalalinn.com> I don't beleave in Nero problem. Try to test your computer with memtest86. Couple of days and let's see then. Olle Niit From mchavez at henderson.k12.nc.us Mon Nov 29 18:16:24 2004 From: mchavez at henderson.k12.nc.us (Meghan Chavez) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:16:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe failed Message-ID: I just upgraded my k12ltsp server from 3.1 to 4.1. Now my terminals display the following message: PXE-T01: File not found PXE-E3B: TFTP error Loading the boot image failed. Any ideas? From haynest at mchsi.com Mon Nov 29 18:08:58 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:08:58 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0-beta4, Nero 6 and booting Message-ID: <112920041808.15224.16d5@mchsi.com> > Still in K12LTSP 4.2.0-beta4 I have to cheat with boot.iso because Nero 6 > (Nero 6.6.0.1 Ultra Edition, Nero reloaded) does not manage to make a > bootable CD from K12LTSP-4.2.0-beta4-disc1.iso. This is pretty puzzling. I downloaded the CD's yesterday and burned them in Nero 6 -mumble- something. It booted and installed OK. Regards... Tom From Dhaley at poland-hs.u29.k12.me.us Mon Nov 29 18:51:40 2004 From: Dhaley at poland-hs.u29.k12.me.us (Dave Haley) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:51:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0-beta4, Nero 6 and booting References: <112920041808.15224.16d5@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <008601c4d644$779f3820$3b03010a@prhs0488> I'm not sure if this helps or not but I have experienced nothing but trouble downloading and burning FC3-I86. I am using Win XP and Iomega Hot Burn Pro with all the most recent up dates, XP and Iomega Hot Burn. After several attempts downloading and then burning, I finally got disk 1 to work, now I am on disk two. I just got a "426 failure writing network stream" as well as telling me that I don't have enough disk space, after a 1 1/2 hour download wait, when I in fact have 5 gig of space available. It seems every time I try to download and install, experienced problems with earlier versions as well, I have many problems, once I do get through all of this, Linux itself runs and performs great, just seems to be a bear to get to that point. Any suggestions are welcome!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0-beta4, Nero 6 and booting >> Still in K12LTSP 4.2.0-beta4 I have to cheat with boot.iso because Nero 6 >> (Nero 6.6.0.1 Ultra Edition, Nero reloaded) does not manage to make a >> bootable CD from K12LTSP-4.2.0-beta4-disc1.iso. > > This is pretty puzzling. > > I downloaded the CD's yesterday and burned them in Nero 6 -mumble- > something. It > booted and installed OK. > > Regards... Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Nov 29 19:00:58 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:00:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 134 In-Reply-To: <112920041719.18889.ad1@mchsi.com> References: <112920041719.18889.ad1@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <41AB71EA.4070704@saskforestcentre.ca> haynest at mchsi.com wrote: >>Also, I still can't burn a bootable Disk 1. I ended up doing a clean >>network install from the install boot iso, but I tried burning the disk1 >>iso both with Nero in Windows XP and using nautilus in Ubuntu linux >>(debian based). Neither would boot. >> >> > >FWIW, I spent way too long trying to do a hard drive install on this machine. > >Finally I just gave up and burned the three CD's for the CD install. > >That boot/install process is creating headaches all around. > >Regards... Tom > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Funny. Using beta4, I did an install from a USB drive as a hard drive install. It worked fine, booting from a the CD. One problem I had was that the laptop did not support the USB drive with enough power at the USB port, so it had some power issues once the install actually started asking for data from the drive. Angus Carr. From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Mon Nov 29 19:39:23 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:39:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Server/Client Performance In-Reply-To: <41AB61C1.7020000@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41AB61C1.7020000@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1101757163.4858.14.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 18:52, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I'm hoping to set up a very small K12LTSP deployment for a local > church in the near future using donated (trashed, actually) hardware and > I have a question regarding performance. I've got a pretty low-end PC > here that I want to use as the server: a P-233 with 256MB RAM. What > kind of performance can I expect for 2 clients connected to this machine > for use as a Web Browsing/Word Processing cluster? Is it a safe > assumption that the clients would perform these tasks about as well as > the server itself? I don't think that would work. At least get som RAM. 512Mb or 1Gb if the board supports it. I've been running 3 clients with simple officeworks on a 700MHz Celeron with 400Mb RAM, with a rewasonable result. But if you don't have to CPU speed you definatly want lots of RAM -- Henning Wangerin From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 29 19:39:44 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:39:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Yum and GPG keys In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A5A@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A5A@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Henry Hartley wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Les Mikesell >>> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:37 AM >>> >>> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 08:54, Henry Hartley wrote: >>>> Okay, thinks me, I can do that. I run 'rpm --import >>>> public.gpg.key' (as root) and get: >>>> error: public.gpg.key: import read failed. >>> >>> That's how you install a key. You have to download it first and >>> use the real name. The easy way is to run up2date up to the point >>> where it installs the key for you, then you can bail out and use >>> yum. > > Right you are (duh). Thanks. > > This give some specifics on getting and installing keys: > http://www.fedorafaq.org/#gpgsig The keys *should* be automagically installed if you do a "LTSP" install in K12LTSP (they won't be installed if you pick a standard desktop or server install). Here is the command that the installer runs to install the appropriate keys: rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* -Eric From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Nov 29 19:49:59 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:49:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum and GPG keys Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A5D@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric Harrison >> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:40 PM >> >> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Henry Hartley wrote: >> > >> > Right you are (duh). Thanks. >> > >> > This give some specifics on getting and installing keys: >> > http://www.fedorafaq.org/#gpgsig >> >> The keys *should* be automagically installed if you do a "LTSP" >> install in K12LTSP (they won't be installed if you pick a >> standard desktop or server install). >> >> Here is the command that the installer runs to install the >> appropriate keys: >> >> rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* Which explains why I hadn't run into this. My previous, recent installs have been LTSP installs while this machine was just being set up as a workstation. Thanks. -- Henry From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Nov 29 19:58:12 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:58:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Menus to K12LTSP 4.1 (aka FC2) Message-ID: <1101758292.10801.10.camel@phoenix.media.local> Hey everyone! I have a Thanksgiving treat for the list. The menu configuration for FC2 seems to be transitional.... as in they moved the configuration and didn't document it for us yet. The secret lies in /etc/xdg/menus .... Those are XML files that define the menu layouts (and control what categories get picked on what menus, manual additions to menus, etc). I've got a basic menu added on my server. I'll probably be finished with it by the end of this week, but I wanted to go ahead and let you know of the trick (I know how much frustration people have been going through). Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 29 21:32:16 2004 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:32:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: XP CD burner problems Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:51:40 -0500 >From: "Dave Haley" >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0-beta4, Nero 6 and booting >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <008601c4d644$779f3820$3b03010a at prhs0488> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >I'm not sure if this helps or not but I have experienced nothing but trouble >downloading and burning FC3-I86. I am using Win XP and Iomega Hot Burn Pro >with all the most recent up dates, XP and Iomega Hot Burn. After several >attempts downloading and then burning, I finally got disk 1 to work, now I >am on disk two. I just got a "426 failure writing network stream" as well as >telling me that I don't have enough disk space, after a 1 1/2 hour download >wait, when I in fact have 5 gig of space available. It seems every time I >try to download and install, experienced problems with earlier versions as >well, I have many problems, once I do get through all of this, Linux itself >runs and performs great, just seems to be a bear to get to that point. Any >suggestions are welcome!!! First, it really sounds like you have some problems with your Windows XP machine. Keep in mind that in my experience, when using windows to download really large files, it normally uses a temp file to store the download. Then, when it is done downloading, it will attempt to copy the file to a permanent name. This can cause problems because it needs at least twice the space on the filesystem as the file you are downloading, and it could need more depending on how your antivirus program is handling it. You need to verify the md5sum of the iso image you downloaded. The easy way to do this is to copy the image over to a machine with the md5sum utility, such as your linux server. (There are free windows GUI md5sum utilities, use Google). Execute md5sum with the path and filename of the iso image as the argument afterwards. Wait a while. When it's done, compare the number with the one published by Eric. If they are identical, the iso file is good. Otherwise, dump it and try to figure out why it was corrupted. I have zero problems using the k3b utility under linux to burn ISO images, so you might want to put your CD burner in your linux server or linux workstation. If your server has internet access, just download it directly. Wget is a recommended way to do this, because of the auto resume feature, but you can click and save in the browser just like windows if you wish. Hope this helps! Sean Harbour sean at harbours.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4430 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Nov 29 22:20:55 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: 29 Nov 2004 17:20:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and VNC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093432795.7454.2.camel@leigh> i use x11vnc to view stu\dent ltsp desktops...and am testing its incorporation into Teach2.py...Set up local apps...run x11vnc -display :0 on client...then use vnc from server to connect.i have some of it written up...chuck. On Tue, 2004-08-24 at 13:55, Richardson John Paul MSgt 373 TRS Det 5/CSS wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm against a brick wall here. I have searched Google and the archive > for this mailing list until my eyes have become crossed. I have the > following LTSP problem that I am hoping someone can help me with. > > I have K12LTSP 4.1 up and running; 1 server and 3 workstations. All > workstations are coming up nicely and users can log in to GNOME > desktops fine. VNC is another story. The environment I am trying to > create is one in which the instructor can take over a students > desktop when necessary using VNC. Everything I have tried to get this > working has resulted in failure. > > VNC works when using the standard vncserver/vncviewer utils. I start > vncserver on one workstation then go to another and start vncviewer > and am presented with the standard Twm desktop. > > Next I tried using x0rfbserver. When I start x0rfbserver on the > server, it runs fine; no errors. I can then connect from a > workstation to the server using vncviewer and see/use the desktop on > the server. When I reverse this procedure (start x0rfbserver on a > workstation and try to connect from the server or another workstation) > the RFB window appears but as soon as I try to connect with vncviewer, > x0rfbserver dies with the following error: > X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt tpo access private > resource denied) > Major opcode of failed request: 144 (MIT-SHM) > Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (X_ShmAttach) > Serial number of failed request: 571 > Current serial number in output stream: 582 > > Google gave me a few returns on this but not being an X programmer, it > was foriegn to me. One result also said to try using x11vnc which I > did. This had the exact same results. > > Next came use of x0vncserver. No matter where I try to start (using > -log *:stdout:100) this I get the following: > main: XTest extgension present - version 2.2 > VNCServerST: creating single-threaded server x0vncserver > VNCServerST: shutting down server x0vncserver > main: unable to bind listening socket: Address already in use (98) > ~ImageCleanup called > > This same error occurs when I try to run x0vncserver on the server but > with the addition of one line: > ~Image called - usingShm 1 > > I run x0vncserver with -rfbport 5800 and it seems to start fine (main: > :Listening on port 5800) but any connection attempts from other > workstations (using vncviewer 192.168.0.254:#) are refused with the > following error: > > vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused > Unable to connect to VNC server > > So that is where I am. I help that can get me moving again is most > appreciated. > > J Paul Richardson > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 29 23:23:29 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:23:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: XP CD burner problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41ABAF71.9080800@cfl.rr.com> I have had similar problems with Iomega Hotburn Pro. Now I use K3B for ALL my CD burning, just hotburn pro for DVD data disks Sean Harbour wrote: >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:51:40 -0500 > > >>From: "Dave Haley" >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0-beta4, Nero 6 and booting >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >>Message-ID: <008601c4d644$779f3820$3b03010a at prhs0488> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >>I'm not sure if this helps or not but I have experienced nothing but trouble >>downloading and burning FC3-I86. I am using Win XP and Iomega Hot Burn Pro >>with all the most recent up dates, XP and Iomega Hot Burn. After several >>attempts downloading and then burning, I finally got disk 1 to work, now I >>am on disk two. I just got a "426 failure writing network stream" as well as >>telling me that I don't have enough disk space, after a 1 1/2 hour download >>wait, when I in fact have 5 gig of space available. It seems every time I >>try to download and install, experienced problems with earlier versions as >>well, I have many problems, once I do get through all of this, Linux itself >>runs and performs great, just seems to be a bear to get to that point. Any >>suggestions are welcome!!! >> >> > >First, it really sounds like you have some problems with your Windows XP machine. >Keep in mind that in my experience, when using windows to download really large files, it normally uses a temp file to store the download. Then, when it is done downloading, it will attempt to copy the file to a permanent name. This can cause problems because it needs at least twice the space on the filesystem as the file you are downloading, and it could need more depending on how your antivirus program is handling it. > >You need to verify the md5sum of the iso image you downloaded. The easy way to do this is to copy the image over to a machine with the md5sum utility, such as your linux server. (There are free windows GUI md5sum utilities, use Google). Execute md5sum with the path and filename of the iso image as the argument afterwards. Wait a while. When it's done, compare the number with the one published by Eric. If they are identical, the iso file is good. Otherwise, dump it and try to figure out why it was corrupted. I have zero problems using the k3b utility under linux to burn ISO images, so you might want to put your CD burner in your linux server or linux workstation. If your server has internet access, just download it directly. Wget is a recommended way to do this, because of the auto resume feature, but you can click and save in the browser just like windows if you wish. > >Hope this helps! > >Sean Harbour >sean at harbours.us > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Nov 30 00:00:42 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:00:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server/Client Performance In-Reply-To: <41AB61C1.7020000@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41AB61C1.7020000@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <41ABB82A.8010801@cmosnetworks.com> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I'm hoping to set up a very small K12LTSP deployment for a local > church in the near future using donated (trashed, actually) hardware > and I have a question regarding performance. I've got a pretty > low-end PC here that I want to use as the server: a P-233 with 256MB > RAM. What kind of performance can I expect for 2 clients connected to > this machine for use as a Web Browsing/Word Processing cluster? Is it > a safe assumption that the clients would perform these tasks about as > well as the server itself? > Abysmal, I'm afraid. I've run both FreeBSD and GNU/Linux with KDE + OpenOffice.org on a K6-2/450 with 512MB DRAM ("full workstation" mode), and it felt "acceptable". I could use it as a daily workstation, but I wouldn't use it as a LTSP server of any sort. For LTSP, and therefore K12LTSP, DRAM is your first friend, followed immediately by CPU oomph. I'd go with nothing less than an 800MHz box for two clients with a bare minimum of 512MB DRAM. An AMD Athlon box of practically any speed with 512MB or more DRAM and 100Mbps Ethernet should do it for two clients rather nicely. Make sure that you're on a 100Mbps mini-switch instead of a mini-hub, though. You don't want to mess with hubs with any LTSP architecture. Eight-port 100Mbps mini-switches can be had for $50 if you shop decently. On the other hand, that P-233 would make a very good thin client. I use old P-166's and P-233's for this purpose, and they're very nice in this mode. If you need to actually install an operating system on that P-233, then consider Damn Small Linux (www.damnsmalllinux.org). It's been optimized to run in full workstation mode on slower hardware. Do you foresee the need for more than two thin clients in this church at any time within the next year or so? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From haynest at mchsi.com Tue Nov 30 01:12:52 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:12:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server/Client Performance In-Reply-To: <41ABB82A.8010801@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200411300111.iAU1BQmr031214@mx1.redhat.com> > Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I'm hoping to set up a very small K12LTSP deployment for a local > > church in the near future using donated (trashed, actually) > hardware > > and I have a question regarding performance. I've got a pretty > > low-end PC here that I want to use as the server: a P-233 > with 256MB > > RAM. What kind of performance can I expect for 2 clients > connected to > > this machine for use as a Web Browsing/Word Processing > cluster? Is it > > a safe assumption that the clients would perform these > tasks about as > > well as the server itself? Try Vector Linux with XFCE and ICEwm as window managers for standalone machines. It uses Abiword and is intended for a functional desktop on lowend hardware. The web page says it needs 16 megs of ram and it will run on i386/i486. The complete install is 435 meg before user-installed software and swap. For server, I would stick to something like ClarkConnect or E-Smith for a firewall/gateway/file server on the 233, and I think it is an exercise in frustration to try to make LTSP work. Either CC or E-Smith would also run a mail server and a web page for the church. Setup is easy and won't require too many resources. I have run both on a 233, and they worked pretty well. At one point I was running Moodle and FrontPage server extensions on a similar machine for my classes. My 2 cents... Tom From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 30 04:08:31 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:08:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta #5 Message-ID: Beta #5 build of K12LTSP 4.2.0 has been uploaded. This build fixes a couple dependancies that apt-get complains about. Standard disclaimers apply: this is a beta so don't use in a production environment, etc, etc. Please report any bugs you may find... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . -Eric From ssanders at coin.org Tue Nov 30 04:16:56 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:16:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server/Client Performance In-Reply-To: <1101757163.4858.14.camel@server.ltsp> References: <41AB61C1.7020000@honeygroveisd.net> <1101757163.4858.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1101788216.4481.20.camel@ltsp.bofh> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 13:39, Henning Wangerin wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 18:52, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > I have a question regarding performance. I've got a pretty low-end PC > > here that I want to use as the server: a P-233 with 256MB RAM. What > > kind of performance can I expect for 2 clients connected to this machine > > for use as a Web Browsing/Word Processing cluster? i would respectfully disagree with some of the opinions here, only because i have done exactly that with K12OSN from 2.x through 4.x. it won't be optimum, but it certainly can be usable. i used a P2/233 as a server for quite some time. it had 512 meg of ram, one IDE HD, and all 100mbit connections. it later used gigabit to aggregate the clients' bandwidth, but three clients (P166, P200 and a P100) could use it at the same time. after i went to gigabit locally, two of the clients could also stream .MP3's from the server (added a separate HD for the MP3's to live on) to their soundcard using Madman/XMMS at the same time with few dropouts. i ran it initially with 256 meg of ram, and it would not handle two clients very well. of course, multiple instances of KDE and OpenOffice are not a good idea, choose lighter wm and apps. as others have mentioned, are there any chances for more clients later? rather than buy ram for an old machine that you will outgrow quickly, you may be better off trying to start with a faster machine. if you are all 100mbit, you can make what you have now work with only 256meg of additional ram. but? go ahead and try it as is. the experience you get will be valuable, and it may be usable for casual web/email/docs. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The secret lies in > /etc/xdg/menus .... Those are XML files that define the menu layouts > (and control what categories get picked on what menus, manual additions > to menus, etc). I've got a basic menu added on my server. I'll > probably be finished with it by the end of this week, but I wanted to go > ahead and let you know of the trick (I know how much frustration people > have been going through). > > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > www.hhprep.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From brr at brr.no Tue Nov 30 07:13:19 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:13:19 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] The boot problem again Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130080636.01ff4358@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! It is not just with Nero 6 it is possible to get a non bootable disc 1. I tried to burn CD 1 with the freeware program CDBurnerXP Pro 3 now and got the same problem there. I have tried to download the .ISO files many times both at home and here at work, both with Internet Explorer, Firefox web reader and FlashFXP FTP program. The downloaded files are ok, but I have the boot problem whatever I do... (Version 4.1.0 had no this problem at all!) But: When I cheat with boot.iso I get everything installed and everything works ok. So I can get around the problem, but it is irritating anyway! Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From victor at hiplik.com.hk Tue Nov 30 07:50:45 2004 From: victor at hiplik.com.hk (Victor) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:50:45 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] The boot problem again References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130080636.01ff4358@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <017e01c4d6b1$59f37760$6601a8c0@victor> Hello, I am not sure what your problem is. But I would like to tell you that I downloaded both K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta 2 and beta 4 and disc 1 from both beta version can boot. The problem for beta 4 disc 1 is that it cannot perform a media check. I burn the CD by just using Nero OEM version 6.3.0.2 You mentioned your downloaded files are ok. Did you perform a md5sum check for the completeness of downloaded files? I downloaded the files by using ftp client, eg. gftp in linux or aceftp in Windows. It may be correct that using web browser to download such a big file may easily get a bad downloaded file. Are you sure that you have made change to the BIOS of your PC to boot the CD first? Hope you solve the problem! Victor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [K12OSN] The boot problem again > Hello! > > It is not just with Nero 6 it is possible to get a non bootable disc 1. I > tried to burn CD 1 with the freeware program CDBurnerXP Pro 3 now and got > the same problem there. > > I have tried to download the .ISO files many times both at home and here at > work, both with Internet Explorer, Firefox web reader and FlashFXP FTP > program. The downloaded files are ok, but I have the boot problem whatever > I do... (Version 4.1.0 had no this problem at all!) > > But: When I cheat with boot.iso I get everything installed and everything > works ok. So I can get around the problem, but it is irritating anyway! > > Bjorn Roger Rasmussen > > *** > Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From brr at brr.no Tue Nov 30 07:54:27 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:54:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] The boot problem again In-Reply-To: <017e01c4d6b1$59f37760$6601a8c0@victor> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130080636.01ff4358@pop.domeneshop.no> <017e01c4d6b1$59f37760$6601a8c0@victor> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130085323.01f986d0@pop.domeneshop.no> >Are you sure that you have made change to the BIOS of your PC to boot the CD >first? >Hope you solve the problem! Of course I am sure! I have made a CD with Nero from boot.iso which I use. No problems with booting from that CD. Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From victor at hiplik.com.hk Tue Nov 30 08:02:48 2004 From: victor at hiplik.com.hk (Victor) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:02:48 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] The boot problem again References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130080636.01ff4358@pop.domeneshop.no><017e01c4d6b1$59f37760$6601a8c0@victor> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130085323.01f986d0@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <027801c4d6b2$ff3a9a90$6601a8c0@victor> Great! Then do you perform a md5sums check for the downloaded files to ensure the completeness of files? You can get more information on using md5sums check from this url: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/using_md5sums.html#links Cheers, Victor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] The boot problem again > > >Are you sure that you have made change to the BIOS of your PC to boot the CD > >first? > >Hope you solve the problem! > > Of course I am sure! I have made a CD with Nero from boot.iso which I use. > No problems with booting from that CD. > > Bjorn Roger Rasmussen > > > *** > Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From brr at brr.no Tue Nov 30 08:07:58 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:07:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] The boot problem again In-Reply-To: <027801c4d6b2$ff3a9a90$6601a8c0@victor> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130080636.01ff4358@pop.domeneshop.no> <017e01c4d6b1$59f37760$6601a8c0@victor> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130085323.01f986d0@pop.domeneshop.no> <027801c4d6b2$ff3a9a90$6601a8c0@victor> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130090429.0202b3b0@pop.domeneshop.no> At 09:02 30.11.2004, you wrote: >Great! Then do you perform a md5sums check for the downloaded files to >ensure the completeness of files? No. But I have downloaded the files several times, both at home and at work. With Web browser, with FTP program etc. I don't think that the download will fail several times. I have cheated with boot.iso and finished the installation without any problems. If the CD had been corrupt I would have got other problems during the installation. And: I can boot with disc 1 in VmWare. But not when I burn disc 1 to a CD. And I can boot with K12LTSP 4.1.0 without any problems. Just with K12LTSP 4.2.0 I have got the problem. I have read that also other people have had the same problem as I have had..... So something must be a little bit strange with the "layout" of disc 1 in K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta. Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From brr at brr.no Tue Nov 30 09:24:22 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:24:22 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Norwegian language and K12LTSP Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130101402.02021910@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! During the installation of K12LTSP beta 4.2.0 I choose Norwegian as the default language. After the installation I get Norwegian Gnome, but I have some small problems with Firefox web reader and OpenOffice: - OpenOffice: Norwegian language in the menues etc. But: Default spelling is set to English. After adding an user I have to log in as that user and start OpenOffice and set spelling to Norwegian. It works ok, but I find it a little bit bothersome. - Firefox web reader: No support for Norwegian includet. I have downloaded Norwegian language file from http://www.firefox.no/. But: I have the same problem here as with OpenOffice. I have to log in and start Firefox and install Norwegian language pack for every user. As root I have also given the command firefox -UILocale nb-NO -contentLocale NO. If I do not give this command Firefox goes back to English. Any way to making this easier? (Tried to copy nb-NO.jar to the place Firefox is installed. But it does not help. I have to do the installation as every user to get things to work.) Hopefully someone can help me with doing things a little bit easier! Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From robowens at myway.com Tue Nov 30 12:06:10 2004 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:06:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Server/Client Performance Message-ID: <20041130120610.7EC6039F6@mprdmxin.myway.com> I agree that it's probably worth your while to buy a better machine. A year or two back I built a computer for my sister for about $500 (built from parts from newegg.com) which is a P4 2.4 with 512MB DDR, 160GB hard drive, CD burner, Asus motherboard, optical mouse, decent video card, etc. At home I run a 2.0 Celeron w/ 512 SDRAM and it works pretty well with two simultaneous logins running graphical applications. Today you could get something better for even less money. I bet $400 is all you'd have to spend. On the other hand, I have a P2 233MHz w/ 192MB RAM and it is damn slow running as a standalone system, particularly for applications like OpenOffice. Booting takes a long time and loading programs takes a long time. -Rob --- On Mon 11/29, < ssanders at coin.org > wrote: From: [mailto: ssanders at coin.org] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:16:56 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Server/Client Performance On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 13:39, Henning Wangerin wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 18:52, Mark Cockrell wrote:

> > I have a question regarding performance. I've got a pretty low-end PC
> > here that I want to use as the server: a P-233 with 256MB RAM. What
> > kind of performance can I expect for 2 clients connected to this machine
> > for use as a Web Browsing/Word Processing cluster?

i would respectfully disagree with some of the opinions here, only
because i have done exactly that with K12OSN from 2.x through 4.x. it
won't be optimum, but it certainly can be usable. i used a P2/233 as a
server for quite some time. it had 512 meg of ram, one IDE HD, and all
100mbit connections. it later used gigabit to aggregate the clients'
bandwidth, but three clients (P166, P200 and a P100) could use it at the
same time. after i went to gigabit locally, two of the clients could
also stream .MP3's from the server (added a separate HD for the ! MP3's to
live on) to their soundcard using Madman/XMMS at the same time with few
dropouts.

i ran it initially with 256 meg of ram, and it would not handle two
clients very well. of course, multiple instances of KDE and OpenOffice
are not a good idea, choose lighter wm and apps. as others have
mentioned, are there any chances for more clients later? rather than buy
ram for an old machine that you will outgrow quickly, you may be better
off trying to start with a faster machine. if you are all 100mbit, you
can make what you have now work with only 256meg of additional ram. but?
go ahead and try it as is. the experience you get will be valuable, and
it may be usable for casual web/email/docs.
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For more info see _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Nov 30 12:13:24 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 30 Nov 2004 20:13:24 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] The boot problem again In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130090429.0202b3b0@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130080636.01ff4358@pop.domeneshop.no> <017e01c4d6b1$59f37760$6601a8c0@victor> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130085323.01f986d0@pop.domeneshop.no> <027801c4d6b2$ff3a9a90$6601a8c0@victor> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130090429.0202b3b0@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <1101816809.1063.84.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 16:07, Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > At 09:02 30.11.2004, you wrote: > >Great! Then do you perform a md5sums check for the downloaded files to > >ensure the completeness of files? > > No. But I have downloaded the files several times, both at home and at > work. With Web browser, with FTP program etc. I don't think that the > download will fail several times. I have cheated with boot.iso and finished Bjorn, You're obviously irritated at having done the process several times over in different ways. I sympathise. But, there is no way around having to check the file's md5sums. There is a VERY good reason for the packager of the iso to create these check sums to verify that EVERY packet transmitted to you is equal to the original file. It is NOT an option - it is mandatory. Sure, you may get the iso to install eventually, but some small thing may be corrupted and it may not be immediately obvious. I'm on a slow dial-up connection and when downloading big files I find two programs invaluable because they support resuming of the download if you get interrupted (any number of times) throughout. In the past in Windows I have used "Download Mage" (www.dlmage.com) and now in Linux I have great success with "Downloader for X (D4X)" (www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo). You will get good downloads with these but still need to check your md5sums. If you have a nearly complete download you can also take advantage of that and use rsync instead of downloading the whole file again. You could also use rsync to verify that you aren't missing parts of the iso file. One catch: rsync is NOT good if you're likely to have the downloading interrupted. -- Regards, Gavin Chester PO Box 62 (2 Pegrum Rd), Dwellingup, Western Australia 6213 Tel: +61 8 95381102 ~ From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 30 14:01:30 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:01:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server/Client Performance In-Reply-To: <41ABB82A.8010801@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <001301c4d6e5$17d4e6a0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Eight-port 100Mbps mini-switches can be had for $50 if > you shop decently. Keep an eye out at www.computergeeks.com for these switches. I buy them here all of the time for $15. They are also a good resource for outdated equipment to build up machines. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 30 13:59:19 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:59:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server/Client Performance In-Reply-To: <41AB61C1.7020000@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41AB61C1.7020000@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <41AC7CB7.2070109@maltzen.net> I started out with a configuration similar to what you mention. It's cutting it close but it's probably better than using that same hardware without implementing LTSP. It's good for a proof of concept test, verifying that the clients boot and can bring up the applications. And if you limit the clients & server to using, say, IceWM for the desktop (without Nautilus, so no desktop icons, but there can be icons on the IceWM toolbar), AbiWord for the word processor, and Firefox (not Mozilla) (or better yet, Dillo) for the web browser, I think the performance would be tolerable. Yes, the performance on the clients would be the same as on the server, more or less. So, try loading up AW and FF under IceWM on the server and see how it is. If you at least set it up this way, then you'll be in a good position if someone else offers to donate an old 400mhz machine, because you could dedicate that to running just one application, say Firefox, but everything else and all the machines would benefit. Petre Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I'm hoping to set up a very small K12LTSP deployment for a local > church in the near future using donated (trashed, actually) hardware and > I have a question regarding performance. I've got a pretty low-end PC > here that I want to use as the server: a P-233 with 256MB RAM. What > kind of performance can I expect for 2 clients connected to this machine > for use as a Web Browsing/Word Processing cluster? Is it a safe > assumption that the clients would perform these tasks about as well as > the server itself? > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 30 14:19:21 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:19:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta #5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c4d6e7$960ed380$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Beta #5 build of K12LTSP 4.2.0 has been uploaded. This build > fixes a couple dependancies that apt-get complains about. > > > Standard disclaimers apply: this is a beta so don't use in > a production environment, etc, etc. Please report any bugs > you may find... > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . -Eric ---------------------------------------------------------------- Eric, What is the difference between the two links? I know the ftp link allows me to download the iso's. But does the rsync link update local iso's or does it update a running system to the new beta release? If it doesn?t update to the new beta let me know what command I should be issuing to update my running beta #2 to beta #5. Also, has there been any breakthrough with the problem of sound on the clients working in IceWM but not Gnome? Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brr at brr.no Tue Nov 30 13:33:43 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:33:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] The boot problem again In-Reply-To: <1101816809.1063.84.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130080636.01ff4358@pop.domeneshop.no> <017e01c4d6b1$59f37760$6601a8c0@victor> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130085323.01f986d0@pop.domeneshop.no> <027801c4d6b2$ff3a9a90$6601a8c0@victor> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130090429.0202b3b0@pop.domeneshop.no> <1101816809.1063.84.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130143203.020648e8@pop.domeneshop.no> >Bjorn, You're obviously irritated at having done the process several >times over in different ways. I sympathise. But, there is no way around >having to check the file's md5sums. I don't think the problem has anything to do with download errors. Checked md5sums, and as I thought nothing wrong was found. Got the same sums as I should get. Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From brr at brr.no Tue Nov 30 13:41:14 2004 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:41:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Shut down Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130143850.020648e8@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! Another problem I have with K12LTSP 4.2.0 is shut down. The last message I get on the screen is acpi_power_off called. But: The computer does not shut down. Have to use the power button. Other Linux versions and also Windows manage to turn off the power at that computer without any problems. Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Nov 30 15:55:42 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:55:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree86 4.3 Message-ID: <41AC97FE.7060806@netscape.net> HI, After upgrading my K12ltsp from 4.0.1 to 4.1.1 some client machines started to display an error message saying that there was a problem with XFee86 V4.3. I upgraded the server to XFree86 4.4 but the clients are still getting V4.3, how or what do I change so that the clients use 4.4 thanks for the help norbert From collinsr at kentoncityschools.org Tue Nov 30 16:10:02 2004 From: collinsr at kentoncityschools.org (Ryan Collins) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:10:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 134 In-Reply-To: <112920041719.18889.ad1@mchsi.com> References: <112920041719.18889.ad1@mchsi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 haynest at mchsi.com wrote: > > Also, I still can't burn a bootable Disk 1. I ended up doing a clean > > network install from the install boot iso, but I tried burning the disk1 > > iso both with Nero in Windows XP and using nautilus in Ubuntu linux > > (debian based). Neither would boot. > > FWIW, I spent way too long trying to do a hard drive install on this machine. > > Finally I just gave up and burned the three CD's for the CD install. > > That boot/install process is creating headaches all around. Check the md5 checksums to make sure the iso downloaded correctly. This bit me last year with the ipcop iso. I kept having install issues, I even downloaded the iso a couple of times, but it the checksum didn't match up. I finally got a good copy downloaded. I now always check the checksum before burning. -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Kenton City Schools http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ From jam at mcquil.com Tue Nov 30 16:10:40 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:10:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] XFree86 4.3 In-Reply-To: <41AC97FE.7060806@netscape.net> References: <41AC97FE.7060806@netscape.net> Message-ID: Norbert, There isn't a 4.4 Xfree86 for the LTSP clients. We switched to X.org. If you could give us a clue what the error message looks like, we might be able to help. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, norbert wrote: > HI, > > After upgrading my K12ltsp from 4.0.1 to 4.1.1 some client machines started to > display an error message saying that there was a problem with XFee86 V4.3. > I upgraded the server to XFree86 4.4 but the clients are still getting V4.3, > how or what do I change so that the clients use 4.4 > > thanks for the help > > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Nov 30 16:26:56 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:26:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree86 4.3 In-Reply-To: References: <41AC97FE.7060806@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41AC9F50.7060508@netscape.net> jam at mcquil.com wrote: >Norbert, > >There isn't a 4.4 Xfree86 for the LTSP clients. We switched to X.org. > >If you could give us a clue what the error message looks like, we might >be able to help. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, norbert wrote: > > > >>HI, >> >>After upgrading my K12ltsp from 4.0.1 to 4.1.1 some client machines started to >>display an error message saying that there was a problem with XFee86 V4.3. >>I upgraded the server to XFree86 4.4 but the clients are still getting V4.3, >>how or what do I change so that the clients use 4.4 >> >>thanks for the help >> >>norbert >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi Jim, This is the error message... Error activating XKB configuration Probably internal X server problem X server version data: The Xfree 86 project inc: 4030000 You are using Xfree 4.3.0. There are known problems with complex XKB configuations try using simpler configurations or taking more fresh versions of Xfree software If you report this situation as a bug please include: The result of xprop -root | grep XKB The result of Gfconftool -2 -r/Desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/XKB Since I'm not at the lab now I can't give you the output of xprop nor Gfconftool. thanks for the help norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adammelancon at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 16:40:27 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:40:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree86 4.3 In-Reply-To: <41AC9F50.7060508@netscape.net> References: <41AC97FE.7060806@netscape.net> <41AC9F50.7060508@netscape.net> Message-ID: <489287610411300840743a7e02@mail.gmail.com> I've seen this before and I found the answer... I posted what I found here: http://www.brlug.net/pipermail/ltsp_brlug.net/2004-October/000014.html I would get "error activating xkb configuration" when logging into a terminal. Found the answer here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=120858 I solved this by simply adding a symlink in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules: ln -s xorg.lst xfree86.lst Temporary, sure, but setxkbmap is happy again. Enjoy! On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:26:56 -0500, norbert wrote: > jam at mcquil.com wrote: > Norbert, There isn't a 4.4 Xfree86 for the LTSP clients. We switched to > X.org. If you could give us a clue what the error message looks like, we > might be able to help. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, > norbert wrote: > HI, After upgrading my K12ltsp from 4.0.1 to 4.1.1 some client machines > started to display an error message saying that there was a problem with > XFee86 V4.3. I upgraded the server to XFree86 4.4 but the clients are still > getting V4.3, how or what do I change so that the clients use 4.4 thanks for > the help norbert _______________________________________________ K12OSN > mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see > Hi Jim, > > This is the error message... > > Error activating XKB configuration > Probably internal X server problem > > X server version data: > The Xfree 86 project inc: > 4030000 > You are using Xfree 4.3.0. > There are known problems with complex XKB configuations try using simpler > configurations or taking more fresh versions of Xfree software > > If you report this situation as a bug please include: > > The result of xprop -root | grep XKB > The result of Gfconftool -2 -r/Desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/XKB > > Since I'm not at the lab now I can't give you the output of xprop nor > Gfconftool. > > thanks for the help > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Nov 30 17:08:50 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:08:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Shut down In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130143850.020648e8@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130143850.020648e8@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <41ACA922.9080902@saskforestcentre.ca> Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > Hello! > > Another problem I have with K12LTSP 4.2.0 is shut down. The last > message I get on the screen is acpi_power_off called. But: The > computer does not shut down. Have to use the power button. Other Linux > versions and also Windows manage to turn off the power at that > computer without any problems. > > Bjorn Roger Rasmussen > > *** > Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ACPI is an interesting area. Try adding "acpi=off" to the kernel command line in grub (either at boot or in /etc/grub.conf). That way, the hardware can use the older APM standard for power. Depending on the BIOS on the motherboard, that may be an issue. I know it is with some equipment I have. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Nov 30 17:14:55 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:14:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] The boot problem again In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130143203.020648e8@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130080636.01ff4358@pop.domeneshop.no> <017e01c4d6b1$59f37760$6601a8c0@victor> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130085323.01f986d0@pop.domeneshop.no> <027801c4d6b2$ff3a9a90$6601a8c0@victor> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130090429.0202b3b0@pop.domeneshop.no> <1101816809.1063.84.camel@compaq.mydomain> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130143203.020648e8@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <41ACAA8F.8030401@saskforestcentre.ca> Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > >> Bjorn, You're obviously irritated at having done the process several >> times over in different ways. I sympathise. But, there is no way around >> having to check the file's md5sums. > > > > I don't think the problem has anything to do with download errors. > Checked md5sums, and as I thought nothing wrong was found. Got the > same sums as I should get. > > Bjorn Roger Rasmussen > > > > *** > Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Again, I am going to suggest adding "acpi=off" to the kernel command line. I had a similar problem with my Toshiba laptop. When you boot the disc, you normally say "linux", correct? Try using "linux acpi=off" and see what happens. Angus Carr From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 30 17:50:04 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:50:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] The boot problem again In-Reply-To: <41ACAA8F.8030401@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <002601c4d705$058c0fd0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Again, I am going to suggest adding "acpi=off" to the kernel command > line. I had a similar problem with my Toshiba laptop. When > you boot the > disc, you normally say "linux", correct? Try using "linux > acpi=off" and > see what happens. > > Angus Carr If his problem is like mine was he isn't even getting that far. The CD never even tries to boot, you either get the no operating system found message or it will boot into whatever OS is currently on the machine. But using the boot.iso CD works perfectly without the acpi=off statement or any other changes. I actually like the boot.iso CD with the extra options to choose where to install from. I never did a md5 check on my iso's before burning so I can't say if my downloads were perfect. I don't find it all that frustrating to use the one extra disc. Especially if I can use that disc to load from an alternate location that allows me to not have to burn discs anymore. I do hope to remedy this situation myself by no longer burning in Windows anymore and switching to Linux for my Linux stuff. I don't burn Windows CD's from my Mac or Mac CD's from Windows, so I don't figure I should burn Linux CD's from anything else either. But I do hope whatever glitch is happening is figured out so that newbees aren't turned away due to a minor difficulty. I know when I first tried Linux not burning from my Windows box could have been enough to stop me, regardless if the error is consistant. Maybe there is a bad set of iso's sitting on a mirror or two somewhere and a few of us are getting them but not others. Maybe try a different mirror? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 18:18:21 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:18:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Pretty-chooser Message-ID: <20041130181821.95692.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> I am having problems with getting pretty-chooser to work. I had to reimage my file server. Now I am trying to get my application servers to work with my file server so the thin clients can use any of the four servers. I used the directions that Eric had on the list serve and I am still unable to see the application servers come up on the thin clients. Here is what Eric sent: Here's a real-quick XDM chooser HOWTO. This is how I set up Riverdale High School's new servers, it may or may not be the best way to do it but it is known to work ;-) This assumes that your servers default to KDE. I have not tried this under GNOME or straight XDM. 1) Pick out one server to be your main server. Point DHCP to this one server. 2) On the main server, export the /home directory read/write. If your IP range is 192.168.0.0/24, for example, you would add the following line to /etc/exports home 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw) and then run the following command: exportfs -a 3) Configure the other servers to mount /home from the main server. If your main server is 192.168.0.254, for example, you would add the following line to the "/etc/fstab" file on all of the other LTSP servers: 192.168.0.254:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 and then run the following command: mount /home/ 4) The default "chooser" is pretty ugly, so we're going to spice it up a little. start by creating the file /etc/X11/xdm/pretty-chooser with the following lines: #!/bin/sh /usr/X11R6/bin/xsetroot -solid skyblue4 exec /etc/X11/xdm/chooser $* make this file executable with the following command: chmod +x /etc/X11/xdm/pretty-chooser Next append the following lines to /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources Chooser*geometry: 500x200+300+225 Chooser*allowShellResize: false Chooser*ShapeStyle: Oval Chooser*viewport.forceBars: true Chooser*label.label: Application Servers Chooser*label.font: *-*-bold-i-normal-*-240-* Chooser*list.font: -misc-fixed-medium-r- semicondensed--13-120-75-75 -c-60-iso8859-1 Chooser*Command.font: *-*-bold-r-normal-*-180-* Chooser*Form.background: gray80 Chooser*label.foreground: white Chooser*label.background: midnightblue Chooser*Command.background: gray80 Chooser*internalBorderColor: black Chooser*Command.font: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-* -12-* Chooser*viewport.useRight: false Chooser*list.columnSpacning: 25 Chooser*list.defaultColumns: 1 Chooser*list.verticalList: true 5) Limit the list in the chooser to just the servers you want listed. Edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess, commenting out all of the existing lines, and then appending the following lines: * CHOOSER server1 server2 server3 sever4 * CHOOSER BROADCAST #any indirect host can get a chooser * # any host can get a login window be sure to replace "server1", "server2", etc with the real names of the servers. 6) In /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc (this is the KDE specific part), uncomment the Resources= and Choosers= lines, setting them to the following values: Resources=/etc/X11/xdm/Xresources Chooser=/etc/X11/xdm/pretty-chooser 7) In /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local, change all occurances of "-query" to "-indirect", such as: echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY} ${XOPTS} ${ACC_CTRL} -indirect ${XDM_SERVER}" >/tmp/start_ws 8) Fire up a terminal an see if it works ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 30 18:40:30 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:40:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX Message-ID: <002c01c4d70c$1184c5f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> For those of you who are using FreeNX, may I quick ask how you use it? I am not really looking for how to set it up or connect with it but more how to you apply it to your situation. From what I see you would use it to run on top of a full system at a remote location. So if at location x I have a LTSP server and I want to run a session at location y, I would need a fully functional client with at least Xwindows running on it an the FreeNX client in order to run the session from location x. I wouldn't be able to run a thin client at location y to connect to the LTSP server as I would not have the client loaded, correct? Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tuxnician at execulink.com Tue Nov 30 19:04:49 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:04:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Teacher forums Message-ID: <41ACC451.7000700@execulink.com> Hi everyone, Since the LTSP project will be starting up again at my 'location' I was wondering if anyone knew of a web based forum or mailing list geared towards teachers who use LTSP but no necessarily administer it. The teachers that will have their own LTSP and I'd like to see if they can join a forum of other teachers using LTSP so that they can share experiences (hopefully positive) and know that they are not alone in using Linux at school. Thanks, Jason From nbs at sonic.net Tue Nov 30 19:12:00 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:12:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Teacher forums In-Reply-To: <41ACC451.7000700@execulink.com> References: <41ACC451.7000700@execulink.com> Message-ID: <20041130191200.GA1308@sonic.net> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 02:04:49PM -0500, Jason wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Since the LTSP project will be starting up again at my 'location' I was > wondering if anyone knew of a web based forum or mailing list geared > towards teachers who use LTSP but no necessarily administer it. That's a great idea! If there isn't one, one should be set up! -bill! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 30 19:20:14 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:20:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Teacher forums In-Reply-To: <41ACC451.7000700@execulink.com> References: <41ACC451.7000700@execulink.com> Message-ID: <41ACC7EE.5080701@paasda.org> good question... As I for one do not have the time to spend 'learning' how to utilize all of the various programs available with the installation... it would be good for teachers to have a forum of sorts where they can go to find out how something like the graphing program or the flash card maker program works...etc etc... --Huck Jason wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Since the LTSP project will be starting up again at my 'location' I > was wondering if anyone knew of a web based forum or mailing list > geared towards teachers who use LTSP but no necessarily administer it. > > The teachers that will have their own LTSP and I'd like to see if they > can join a forum of other teachers using LTSP so that they can share > experiences (hopefully positive) and know that they are not alone in > using Linux at school. > > Thanks, > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From penguintiz at yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 19:27:23 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:27:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Data Collection and analysis In-Reply-To: <20041122202652.23794737A8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041130192723.35474.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Our school is interested in collecting data in 2 ways: 1) On paper fill in the "bubbles" next to the question. The sheets would then get processed through a scanner which would tabulate results in a database for further analysis. 2) Via a web interface - click on the radio buttons and submit the form to the database for further analysis Scantron has been recommended: www.scantron.com Are they the only game in town? We are a multiplatform school. The web collection method seems pretty straight forward but the creation tools are Windows only. It also sends the data to an Access database. I am not sure that is the best way to go. As we are being asked to collect more and more data and send much of it off to government agencies, I think we are quickly outgrowing tools like Access and Filemaker and should be using enterprise class databases for greater flexibility and interoperability. I don't want to be part of implementing an expensive product only to see we have outgrown it in a short period of time. I would rather see something that is multiplatform and very flexible that will serve us for a long time to come (and opensource). Are there other products that do this or is scantron the best or only game in town? Thanks Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 19:31:01 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:31:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Computer goes to sleep and never wakes up Message-ID: <20041130193101.18490.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> When my thin clients go to sleep, they loose the signal to the server. Any one have any suggestions on what is happening? Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From haynest at mchsi.com Tue Nov 30 19:32:37 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:32:37 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Data Collection and analysis Message-ID: <113020041932.12071.121d@mchsi.com> > Hi all, > Our school is interested in collecting data in 2 ways: > 1) On paper fill in the "bubbles" next to the > question. The sheets would then get processed through > a scanner which would tabulate results in a database > for further analysis. > 2) Via a web interface - click on the radio buttons > and submit the form to the database for further > analysis > PHPEsp is the way for "surveys." It is GPL, and requires LAMP. It works well for data collection. You export to CSV to crunch/distribute. Regards... Tom From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 30 19:40:29 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:40:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Data Collection and analysis In-Reply-To: <20041130192723.35474.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041130192723.35474.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41ACCCAD.2040005@paasda.org> Honestly... I think you should partner up with other schools...both private and public and hire a group of folks to create an OSS solution perhaps =) Our school uses this 'scantron' method for attendance...and they wanted to buy a machine in range of $5,000 - $15,000 depending on "features" to read attendance cards and/or create/grade quizes/tests etc... I don't see why someone could come up with a program that accepted OCR type input from a scanner and read/grade your cards based on that...input the info into a .db and be done with it... --Huck David Tisdell wrote: >Hi all, >Our school is interested in collecting data in 2 ways: >1) On paper fill in the "bubbles" next to the >question. The sheets would then get processed through >a scanner which would tabulate results in a database >for further analysis. >2) Via a web interface - click on the radio buttons >and submit the form to the database for further >analysis > >Scantron has been recommended: www.scantron.com >Are they the only game in town? We are a multiplatform >school. The web collection method seems pretty >straight forward but the creation tools are Windows >only. >It also sends the data to an Access database. I am not >sure that is the best way to go. As we are being asked >to collect more and more data and send much of it off >to government agencies, I think we are quickly >outgrowing tools like Access and Filemaker and should >be using enterprise class databases for greater >flexibility and interoperability. I don't want to be >part of implementing an expensive product only to see >we have outgrown it in a short period of time. >I would rather see something that is multiplatform and >very flexible that will serve us for a long time to >come (and opensource). Are there other products that >do this or is scantron the best or only game in town? >Thanks >Dave > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From codezilla at email.com Tue Nov 30 19:34:07 2004 From: codezilla at email.com (Patrick Haggood) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:34:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Computer goes to sleep and never wakes up Message-ID: <20041130193407.C6E871C5E92@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Check the computer's BIOS - under 'power saving' or 'acpi' there should be a setting for 'Ethernet wake-up on lan' or something like that. it may also be under 'peripherals' and 'ethernet powersaving'. You basically don't want it to shut off. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Waters" To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Computer goes to sleep and never wakes up Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:31:01 -0800 (PST) > > When my thin clients go to sleep, they loose the > signal to the server. Any one have any suggestions > on what is happening? > > Jennifer > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tuxnician at execulink.com Tue Nov 30 19:42:30 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:42:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Good news about geeks! Message-ID: <41ACCD26.1050207@execulink.com> I thought I would share this everyone: The BBC reports that a report by Demos says that the all-consuming passions of geeks and nerds may actually be beneficial for society. The UK think tank's report published today, underlines the importance of 'Pro-Ams' -- amateurs who pursue a hobby or pastime, in many cases an all-consuming passion, to a professional standard. The report says Pro-Am astronomers have made 'significant contributions' to the knowledge of the universe, while Pro-Am computer programmers are providing the only serious challenge to Microsoft's dominance of personal computing." http://www.demos.co.uk/catalogue/proameconomy/ Jason From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Nov 30 19:55:40 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:55:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 140 In-Reply-To: <20041130192748.82EC873BE9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041130192748.82EC873BE9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101844539.23746.70.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message: 6 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:04:49 -0500 From: Jason Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Teacher forums To: K12OSN Message-ID: <41ACC451.7000700 at execulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jason Wrote: Hi everyone, Since the LTSP project will be starting up again at my 'location' I was wondering if anyone knew of a web based forum or mailing list geared towards teachers who use LTSP but no necessarily administer it. The teachers that will have their own LTSP and I'd like to see if they can join a forum of other teachers using LTSP so that they can share experiences (hopefully positive) and know that they are not alone in using Linux at school. Thanks, Jason --------------------- Good idea Jason, K12LTS is moving out of the lab and into the classrooms here too. I'm interested in how this idea develops. John From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 21:17:53 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:17:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: sqidguard setup In-Reply-To: <9bd31756041128235764168730@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd31756041128235764168730@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175604113013177714ce11@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure if this message didn't get posted or if no one wants to dignify it with an answer. I do hope it's not the later. Here it is again. Thanks so much for the for the help. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ascension Tech Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:57:31 -0500 Subject: sqidguard setup To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Hey All, I'm sure someone has brought this up before but i just can't find what i'm looking for in the archives. My appoligies if this is totally obvious. I have a seperate box for squidguard. Unfoutrunately teachers and students have to share machines sometimes. I'd like for teachers not to be blocked so they can check their web email. I'd also like to lock down the sutdents browsers. Is there a way to permanently set the proxy settings on a per group or user basis? Again, static ips for the teachers and an acl rule to pass is not really an option. Seems like their should be something in webmin. Please help, I'm really scratching my head on this one. This is sort of a crazy idea but , maybey someone could develop a mac spoofing bootrom. The teachers could have their own special floppy and enter a predefined mac. Then I could asign a static ip and have an acl rule. to pass. Another option: I'd rather not have to sacrifice a terminal for this but I could clone my squidbox change the ip, make go into emergency mode the point the teachers browsers to it (a much smaller list than the students). Is anyone doing it like this? Is there a better way? Thanks. Peter From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Tue Nov 30 21:23:34 2004 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:23:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] The boot problem again In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130143203.020648e8@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130080636.01ff4358@pop.domeneshop.no> <017e01c4d6b1$59f37760$6601a8c0@victor> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130085323.01f986d0@pop.domeneshop.no> <027801c4d6b2$ff3a9a90$6601a8c0@victor> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130090429.0202b3b0@pop.domeneshop.no> <1101816809.1063.84.camel@compaq.mydomain> <6.2.0.14.2.20041130143203.020648e8@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <20041130162334.29b5ab88.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:33:43 +0100 Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > > >Bjorn, You're obviously irritated at having done the process several > >times over in different ways. I sympathise. But, there is no way around > >having to check the file's md5sums. > > > I don't think the problem has anything to do with download errors. Checked > md5sums, and as I thought nothing wrong was found. Got the same sums as I > should get. > Just chiming in to confirm that for me at least the problem is not caused by download errors, burning software or hardware. Disc1 of K12LTSP-4.2.0-beta2 and -beta 4 both failed to boot but the boot.iso worked fine. The md5sums were correct. K12LTSP-4.1.0 disc 1 burned with cdrecord on the same burner in the same machine, using the same meda, and at the same burning speed (8x) worked fine. It's clearly a difficult *bug* to reproduce...so until it's fixed the easiest thing to do is just burn the boot.iso. Jesse McDonnell From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 21:24:58 2004 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:24:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] strange bug In-Reply-To: <1101264621.23540.8.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <9bd317560411230150111f2b41@mail.gmail.com> <20041123142341.GJ11472@wizzy.com> <9bd3175604112311567f8ec07e@mail.gmail.com> <1101264621.23540.8.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <9bd3175604113013243b1b15d4@mail.gmail.com> Thanks i didn't realize it was case-sensitive, I'm in the process of extracting the gzipped archives to a single document so I can just search by ctrl-f. -peter On 24 Nov 2004 10:50:17 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 03:56, Ascension Tech wrote: > > I'd like to follow you suggestion: > > > > You could have numbered or lettered accounts with no password - > > > > -snip- > > > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:23:41 +0200, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Ascension Tech wrote: > > > > I noticed something really strange in 4.2 beta2. It happens when I'm > > > > logged in as the same user on multiple terminals. If i start OOwriter > > > > on one terminal and then try to open it on a second terminal, another > > > > instance of OOwriter pops up on the first terminal! Nutty huh? I do > > > > hope that one gets fixed because I don't want to have to make users > > > > for prek, K , and 1st grade. > > > > > > Doctor, it hurts when I do this !! > > > > > > Don't do that, then .. > > > > > > Seriously, it is a feature of many progams now. Mozilla will do the > > > same. No good way around it either. It happened in 3.x as well. > > > > > > You could have numbered or lettered accounts with no password - > > > > > > login: z > > > > > > Cheers, Andy! > > Yeh, it's a feature and multiple/repeat logins has been discussed > before. It's in the archives. > > The best solution for Years K,P & 1-3s, that has been proffered before > on this list, would be a kiosk arrangement whereby logins and passwords > are NOT needed. This has been discussed and can be found in the K12LTSP > archives. Look for kiosk. > > Alternatively, I believe you could have the older students login with > specific user names but no password. Again, it's in the archives. > > Catch 22: there is info in the archives about not getting good search > results from the archives. Doh! I seem to remember that the problem is > that it's case sensitive. HTH. > > -- > Regards, > > Gavin Chester > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From scott at hosef.org Tue Nov 30 22:01:34 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:01:34 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Teacher forums In-Reply-To: <41ACC7EE.5080701@paasda.org> References: <41ACC451.7000700@execulink.com> <41ACC7EE.5080701@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200411301201.34547.scott@hosef.org> On Tuesday 30 November 2004 09:20 am, Huck wrote: > good question... > As I for one do not have the time to spend 'learning' how to utilize all > of the various programs available with the installation... > it would be good for teachers to have a forum of sorts where they can go > to find out how something like the graphing program > or the flash card maker program works...etc etc... We wrestled with this and don't generally advise that our teachers join the list. It's not that it is not informative, but, as Jason said, there are many with questions who do not administer the system. We try to encourage them to ask us in our hosef-managers lists, but this is hardly the solution for a global audience. I would eagerly join a teacher focused list. Incidentally, the debian-edu list wrestled with this and just recently started as less technical list. We would eagerly host such a forum, but I imagine that there are better options like redhat. If not, we are at your service in setting this up. --scott > > --Huck > > Jason wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Since the LTSP project will be starting up again at my 'location' I > > was wondering if anyone knew of a web based forum or mailing list > > geared towards teachers who use LTSP but no necessarily administer it. > > > > The teachers that will have their own LTSP and I'd like to see if they > > can join a forum of other teachers using LTSP so that they can share > > experiences (hopefully positive) and know that they are not alone in > > using Linux at school. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jason -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Tue Nov 30 22:23:14 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:23:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Shut down In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130143850.020648e8@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041130143850.020648e8@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > Hello! > > Another problem I have with K12LTSP 4.2.0 is shut down. The last message > I get on the screen is acpi_power_off called. But: The computer does not > shut down. Have to use the power button. Other Linux versions and also > Windows manage to turn off the power at that computer without any problems. > > Bjorn Roger Rasmussen > > *** > Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > If you're running a linux kernel with SMP, it won't shut off automagically. That bug has been around for years, and nowadays many distro's automatically install smp kernels because of the Intel P4's hyperthreading. -Frank From fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov Tue Nov 30 22:46:25 2004 From: fws4 at cdrh.fda.gov (Frank Samuelson) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:46:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Data Collection and analysis In-Reply-To: <20041130192723.35474.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041122202652.23794737A8@hormel.redhat.com> <20041130192723.35474.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used to work for National Computer Systems and they did stuff like this If you type that into google you get http://www.pearsonncs.com/ David Tisdell wrote: > Hi all, > Our school is interested in collecting data in 2 ways: > 1) On paper fill in the "bubbles" next to the > question. The sheets would then get processed through > a scanner which would tabulate results in a database > for further analysis. > 2) Via a web interface - click on the radio buttons > and submit the form to the database for further > analysis > > Scantron has been recommended: www.scantron.com > Are they the only game in town? We are a multiplatform > school. The web collection method seems pretty > straight forward but the creation tools are Windows > only. > It also sends the data to an Access database. I am not > sure that is the best way to go. As we are being asked > to collect more and more data and send much of it off > to government agencies, I think we are quickly > outgrowing tools like Access and Filemaker and should > be using enterprise class databases for greater > flexibility and interoperability. I don't want to be > part of implementing an expensive product only to see > we have outgrown it in a short period of time. > I would rather see something that is multiplatform and > very flexible that will serve us for a long time to > come (and opensource). Are there other products that > do this or is scantron the best or only game in town? > Thanks > Dave > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timlegge at etherboot.org Tue Nov 30 22:50:22 2004 From: timlegge at etherboot.org (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:50:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Menu issues in mozilla/firefox with wheel mouse Message-ID: <1101855022.2953.11.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Hi I just installed a new K12LTSP server based on 4.1.1 and I seem to be having problems with my wheel mouse. The wheel works fine scrolling down the page but when scrolling up the page I get the right click menu. It only seems to affect Mozilla and Firefox. Konqueror seems to work fine. As anyone else seen this behaviour? Tim