[K12OSN] Linux cut off

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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, KJ wrote:

> Hey Terrell,
> Not touching a Win32 app, that is fantastic!!!

my desktop and laptop have been 100% Linux for about 5 years now.

> Do you have any pearls of wisdom for those of us who endeavor to get to
> that spot in life?

go cold turkey and figure it out. desperation breeds many great solutions.
the first few weeks/months can be "Trying" but it can work.  Now I would
not really want anything that is on a windoze machine because I have it
all on my current Linux machine(s)

Bob


>
> Thank you!
> KJ
>
> Terrell Prudé, Jr. wrote:
>
> > Permission is certainly granted.  Go for it!
> >
> > BTW, I have, for the last year, been able to go completely to
> > GNU/Linux on my desktop, without ever touching a single Win32 app on
> > said desktop.  This is in a total and complete dyed-in-the-wool
> > Microsoft shop.  It is possible, and it's no longer hard.
> >
> > --TP
> >
> > Jim Kronebusch wrote:
> >
> >> Terrell,
> >>   This is one of the best set of analogies and yet the simplest single
> >> argument I have seen yet to exercise the point of OSS.  If you don't
> >> mind I would like your permission to print this and keep to present to
> >> the narrow-minded individuals I run into in the future.
> >>   I have been quietly attempting to gather data to help prove this
> >> point in the schools I support.  Everyone always tells me they need
> >> certain software to teach.  Instead this year I am asking all of the
> >> teachers to put together an outline of the goals they hope to achieve
> >> when teaching students technology.  I have instructed them to not give
> >> me stuff like to learn Word, or Accelerated Reader.  But to give me
> >> stuff like to learn to type, to learn to use a word processor, and to
> >> also break down the range of skills they hope to teach in those
> >> categories such as how to bold, underline, create tables, etc.  Once
> >> they give me that list not knowing the real reason why, I will find
> >> software that helps them teach all of their stated goals and use their
> >> own documentation to prove my point.  At least that is my plan :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> You're right to duck like that.  The reason is that we are educators
> >>> of *concepts* in K12 schools.  Having come from corporate myself, I
> >>> don't see any justification for turning fourth-graders into "Good
> >>> Little Employees" ready to be trained monkeys on specific
> >>> applications.  Children don't learn how to write on just Avery-brand
> >>> paper.  They learn how to write.  Period.  Same with math--we don't
> >>> teach them how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide only on HP
> >>> calculators.  Rather, we teach them how to add, subtract, multiply,
> >>> and divide, period.  Same with cars.  The auto shop in every high
> >>> school I've ever seen that has one teaches the kids how to work on
> >>> cars, not just Fords, not just Chevys, not just Toyotas, etc.  They
> >>> teach *automobiles*.
> >>>
> >>> What we should be focusing on is the *concept* of word processing.
> >>> Same with using a spreadsheet--any spreadsheet, or any presentation
> >>> software.  I don't want kids only being able to use Microsoft
> >>> products; they're no good to me in my shop, and I won't--and
> >>> can't--hire them.  Several educators have found that, when children
> >>> are exposed to multiple implementations of the same concept, they
> >>> get that concept a whole lot better.  I have found that to be true
> >>> of myself even to this day.
> >>>
> >>> Schools do not have the same goals as corporations.  Corporations
> >>> care strictly and only about the bottom line for shareholders.  The
> >>> mission of schools, by contrast, is to get a young mind to develop
> >>> and open up to new ideas.  K12 schools are not Voc-Tech institutes
> >>> like ITT.  They're centers of general mental development, teaching
> >>> children of all ages how to learn.  Am I opposed to children
> >>> learning about Microsoft Windows and Office?  Not really.  Am I
> >>> opposed to children learning about *ONLY* Microsoft Windows and
> >>> Office?  Yes!
> >>>
> >>> If you think I'm wrong here, then, one corporate person to another,
> >>> I'd like to know your thoughts.
> >>>
> >>> --TP
> >>>
> >>
> >
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